
oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 17 May 1996        Volume 01 : Number 177


----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 01:49:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Boston Driving (was Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies)

On Thu, 16 May 1996 Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-05-15 19:59:47 EDT, you write:

> OK, this is an off-list topic, for sure, but I have to chime in, as I drove

    Me-too me on this one.   

> *NY drivers are actually malicious.

    Yep, I'll agree.   Ever play bumper tag with the taxi's on Canal 
Street?  I swear they actually LIKE to do it!  (I drive a '83 Delta 88 
NYC Assualt Vehicle)

> * True of both places: If you don't know where you're going, they're not
> going to tell you! Exits are completely unmarked, street signs are missing,
> signs are incomplete.

    Also true:   They don't trust you that you'll belive the sign, in 
the rare instances that they are there.  Take the NYC entrance to the 
Holland Tunnel:

               "Max Clearance 7'5" --- WE MEAN IT!!!"

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

------------------------------

From: "Shawn M. Twomey" <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 03:14:18 -0300
Subject: Edelbrock manifold 

>Sounds to me like they are saying that it will not fit up to the tiny-port
>heads like the 7A's on the 307, 260s' heads, etc. pre-76 SB's- no problem,
>right? -Chris-

>From the Edelbrock web page:
" For
     non-EGR, #3711 is stock replacement/street legal part for 307, 350
     and 403 V8s with OEM 4-bbl. carb.; 1966-72 (1973 non-CA). For
     EGR, #3711 is stock replacement/street legal part for 307, 350 and
     403 V8s with OEM 4-bbl. carb.; 1972-85; except 1976 with back
     pressure EGRs. "

So, everything up thru '85, which means 5A 307s, but no 7A 307s.

Just to be clear, though, it was my understanding that the earlier (5A)
engines had the roller cam, whereas the later ones did not, but people have
been saying the other way around.  Does anyone know for sure?  My '85 442
has 5A heads, and the '85 shop manual says roller hydraulic system....BUT,
at least one 7A engine has been found on a stock '85, so does the manual
refer to the 5As or 7As?

Also, what the heck are these 6As?  What cars did they come on?

__________________________________________________________________________
Shawn M. Twomey     |  "No!  Try NOT!  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
stwom@ctp.com       |  -Yoda
__________________________________________________________________________

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:56:37 -0300
Subject: engines 

was the 307 ever fuel injected? TBI preferably, and what years...
                    zack
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\         "I only kill to know i'm alive"
 *************

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 10:02:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Boston Driving (was Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies) 

>* Boston, most sections: if you see a clear parking space shovelled from the
>snow, with a little garbage pail or folding chair sitting there, *DO NOT PARK
>THERE*!!! Doing so has caused mysterious loss of air from tires...

_Air_?  AIR???  Hahahahahahahahaha!!!--

   *choke*  *wheeze*

Son, if you pull that stunt here in Chicago, you'll lose the entire _car_...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:52:43 -0300
Subject: Re: engines 

In a message dated 96-05-16 09:04:28 EDT, you write:

>was the 307 ever fuel injected? TBI preferably, and what years...

307, no, but the 350 received Electronic Fuel Injection as installed in
Cadillacs from 1976-1979, which would work on a 307 with bigger-port heads. I
don't know if this system injected the fuel at the throttle-body or in the
runners.

I believe the 307 stayed carbureted till the bitter end; last of the GM 4-bbl
engines, in fact.

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:51:11 -0300
Subject: Anco Windshield Washer Pumps (electric) 

We had a thread going here not too long ago from someone who had the
washer pump go bad in their '84 Cutlass (?). Once we figured out that
he was talking about the newer electric design and not the classic old
reciprocating-pump style, I guess he went ahead and replaced it with a
new Anco one.

Now I'm doing the same thing. Father-in-law's '84 Regal had the same
problem and I rebuilt the original once, which lasted all of a day. So
last night I'm at the local Trak Auto to buy an Anco replacement to be
installed this evening. Hey, lucky me, they have _four_ of them on the
shelf. So I pick up the first one (they all come in these plastic clamshell
things which I think you can probably pop apart if you're determined) and
have a good look. Uh-oh. Paint's cracked off the end tabs of the motor; looks
like someone's been messing with it, just like I did with the old one.
Guess someone swapped in their old one and returned the package... but 
what's this? A second one looks just as marked up, even though the package
is equally intact. Must be a cheesy factory assembly job, then. Okay, check
the third and fourth ones. Hmmm. They've got completely different housings
on the ends of the motor, different datestamp style. Damn, Anco's buying
from the lowest bidder. So I dropped $21.64 on one of the two with the ink
datestamps and beefier-looking brush housings. Installing these things is a
pain in the butt and I'm going to be not happy with Anco if this new one
dies too soon. Wish me luck...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "C. K. Yee" <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:57:07 -0300
Subject: Re: engines

> >was the 307 ever fuel injected? TBI preferably, and what years...
> 
> 307, no, but the 350 received Electronic Fuel Injection as installed in
> Cadillacs from 1976-1979, which would work on a 307 with bigger-port heads. I
> don't know if this system injected the fuel at the throttle-body or in the
> runners.

The "Cadillac" version of the Olds 350 was used in '75.5 to '79 Sevilles,
'79 Eldorados, and California emissions equipped 1980 Sevilles and 
Eldorados.  It had a port injected intake manifold.  The 
electronically controlled, 2-phase Bendix fuel injection system provided
180bhp @ 4400rpm, and 275lb-ft @ 2000rpm, slightly more than the 
carbureted version, mainly due to cooler manifolding.  It was reported
that this engine was able to meet emissions standards without
a catalytic converter, but was so equipped nonetheless!

> I believe the 307 stayed carbureted till the bitter end; last of the GM 4-bbl
> engines, in fact.

Yup, till 1990, when it came on the Caprice wagon, Olds Custom Cruiser,
Buick Estate wagon, and Cadillac Brougham (5.7L Ch*v V8 was optional
on this one).  BTW, was this the last GM carbureted engine, or
just the last 4-bbl? 

Kevin Wong
 

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:40:56 -0300
Subject: Re: engines 

At 12.52 05,16,96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-05-16 09:04:28 EDT, you write:
>
>>was the 307 ever fuel injected? TBI preferably, and what years...
>
>307, no, but the 350 received Electronic Fuel Injection as installed in
>Cadillacs from 1976-1979, which would work on a 307 with bigger-port heads. I
>don't know if this system injected the fuel at the throttle-body or in the
>runners.
>
>I believe the 307 stayed carbureted till the bitter end; last of the GM 4-bbl
>engines, in fact.
>
>

ok...well, then what ones where computer controlled?
               Zack

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 14:44:03 -0300
Subject: 442? 

ok, i was driving down to school today when i saw a strange sight...a 4 dr.
442!!!  now i doubt these were even made but it was there...it looked to be
an 87 and it even had front bucket seats, the Hurst Lightning rods, and a
307...whats the deal???  it looked really good...for a 4 dr
               zack
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\         "I only kill to know i'm alive"
 *************

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:45:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Anco Windshield Washer Pumps (electric) 

     That would have been me.  The replacement is working good now (too 
     good, if the car isn't moving to get some wind it clears the window 
     and lands on the roof and you can't adjust these nozzles).
     
     They're not that hard to replace.  I got mine from Napa, it was $15.  
     The quality seems pretty good.  Replacing the motor is really easy, 
     getting to it is hard.  I found it's much much easier to just 
     disconnect the wiper pushrod from the motor and remove the three bolts 
     holding the motor in, and then remove the whole motor before messing 
     with it.  The wiring harnesses comes off easy once you find the 
     "secret tab" you have to depress to get them to release.
     
     DON'T take the plastic housing (held on by the torx head bolts) off.  
     You don't need to and you'll just create more problems for yourself.  
     There's a metal clip that holds the washer motor in.  Pop that off and 
     the washer motor pulls right out.  The new motor should come with a 
     new clip, mine did.  Just slide the new motor back in, replace the 
     clip, hook up the wiring and bolt the motor back in.  Watch those 
     bolts when reinstalling the wiper motor to it's mount.  If you drop 
     them they will disappear down into the firewall or fender (don't ask 
     how I know this :-\ ).
     
     Tom L.
     
     BTW, I *finally* found some suitable refills for the anco wiper blades 
     at Napa.  They've got the correct metal reinforcement and retaining 
     system.  Not the flimsy plastic deals with the cheezy universal 
     "clips" that you get at most parts stores.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Anco Windshield Washer Pumps (electric)
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    5/16/96 9:45 AM


We had a thread going here not too long ago from someone who had the 
washer pump go bad in their '84 Cutlass (?). Once we figured out that 
he was talking about the newer electric design and not the classic old 
reciprocating-pump style, I guess he went ahead and replaced it with a 
new Anco one.
     
So I dropped $21.64 on one of the two with the ink datestamps and 
beefier-looking brush housings. Installing these things is a pain in the 
butt and I'm going to be not happy with Anco if this new one dies too soon. 
Wish me luck...

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:32:33 -0300
Subject: Misc posts

Dropped off the guts of the 75 Toro 455 today, and what's this here? BIG 4-bolt
main block for some Chevy... coupla diesels, nothing great. In rolls the old
black dude with a trailer full of motors.... he waves me over, remembers me,
he's got a 455 for me... '68 or '69, C heads, 4V carb, air cleaner, AC
compressor, all brackets.. YES! I gave him a deposit, will hook up with him
later to get it. Sell off the C heads to get the cash back, save the rest for
later...
  Anybody in the vicinity want some C heads at under market rate, today is the
day. I am not really interested in boxing & shipping them, but if you are near
enough to come get 'em... Otherwise, they go to Dick Miller next week. -Chris-

- --The "1970" Cutlass... [one day I'll memorize that '70 has VERTICAL taillites]
> There is the old trick of looking at the front or rear lenses and
> checking the year written there.  Sometimes a lense is carried over a
> couple of years, but it didn't happen often in the 60's and 70's.
 > Bill Culp

Handy trick. I went & inspected a little more closely last nite... It's
actually a 1971 car, according to t'lites & VIN... kinda rusty under the
primer... has a 350-2V with 7a (!) heads, TH350 shifted on the column, bench
seat, I'd say he'd take about $500, and that'd be about right. Best feature- it
is not that fastback style, it's got the squarish back, more like late 70's
Cutlasses. Sport steering wheel. Some SSII wheels.
  That's all I know for now... -Chris-

> >Chris, first one over 50mph takes the pink slips! ;)

More like, LAST one to 50 mph *has* to take the pink slips... :)

> From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
> Subject: Edelbrock SB Performer; do the accessories bolt up?
> Well, I dropped off the 403 parts to the machine shop; they were getting a

> After about $1200 worth of machining, it looks like I'll be doing a rebuild,
> so I better start getting serious about things here and order up some parts.

Say WHAT? $1200 ?!?!?! Are you serious? I thought it went usually like:
                         lo-budget     $ no object
Clean, bore block         100            200  [align hone, etc. also]
valve job, inspection     100            300  [guides, seats, etc.]
deck block, shave heads   N/A            100
install cam bearings      20             20
press pistons             40             40
balance                   N/A            175
Totals                    ~300           ~$900

What'd I leave out? Or, do you pay more for this type of service? -Chris-

> "Held For Ransom" (as in E. Olds) ?
> "Clipper Supreme SX" ?    Tim Churchill

Not bad... -Chris-

> Among the things that I only see in JM's catalog are rod bolts, main studs
> and a windage tray for my 403. These are listed as ARP bolts, though I
> believe the windage tray is Mondello's own design.
> Any good (or bad) experiences with these parts?

Bear in mind that the windage tray is *hand fit* as the catalog says- expect to
modify it or the pan to accomodate each other... as some here will attest...
  As for the bolts, do you suppose they are actually any better that the stock
bolt? And, if so, do you ever expect to exceeed the stock bolts' strength yet
remain under the 'ARP' bolts' limit? What you gonna do to this engine? Nitrous?
11:1 CRatio? -Chris-

> Are all Olds factory seats induction hardened, instead of being fitted with
> hardened seat inserts?
> David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157

Not -all-, no. I have a factory G head, came with the H head, that has inserts.

> >      funny because the Edelbrock catalog says it will only fit the 307 with
> >      5A heads.  I thought that was strange that it wouldn't fit, and who am

Padnos news flash: Yep, the 5A heads have the 'std.' older larger regular SB
size ports, not the miniscule nostrils that the 2A, #10, 6A, 7A heads have...

> Yeah, the manual trans 4-door Toros with the Cadillac engine.  You know they
> had special carburetors for those, too...very rare!

Yeah, you can spot them by the 'coil reduction' hood [or, is that "cow
induction?]... 12-bolt FRONT end... Heavy duty battery gaskets... swirl-polished
head bolts... oversize muffler bearings... all the 'old racer's' tricks :)
- -Chris-

> >   --Hey, Dave, great stuff to add to the FAQ... ---
> You mean that stuff??   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I meant the 'how to set the dist'r in place properly' stuffs... that everyone
should know... -Chris-

> 1966 Toronados came in 4 and 6 door model Limosines. There was a fleet of
> them used here at General Billy Mitchell Field for years. There are two
> parked on some guys lawn near Janesville (WI) for sale. I havent had time to
> cruise up there to inspect them, but occassionally I get a call from buddies
> who go by there and give me "sighting" updates!
>
> GM also had several prototype Toronado station wagons (Toro front clip
> attached to a Vista Cruiser body), although it never came to production. ):
> Greg K.

My gosh... Just then you thought you'd heard it all... Yeah, how about a
*convertible* then, huh? -Chris-

Speaking of Olds Oddities... maybe you folks can help me out...
One day many moons ago, was riding thru Napa, CA with the family. Going the
other way was an old, old... What? El Camino... No, Ranchero.... no, there it
goes... WHAT? I coulda SWORN the tailgate said "OLDSMOBILE"... Styling was very
late-50's/ maybe early 60's... Driver refused to turn around & chase it...
Never did find out any more about it... My imagination playing tricks on me?
- -Chris-

> From: ws6transam@voyager.net (Daniel R Burk)
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:37:52 -0300
> Subject: Build your own flow bench

> I've been talking to that great resource of wisdom and wit, Chris "Wisdom" Wit
- --huh? Chris--
> about building a flow bench.   I thought I could do it with a section of
> schedule 40 PVC and a good strong Sears shop-vac, developing 100 CFM @ 10" of
> water.   It turns out that my assumptions were wrong, and what I need is reall
> about 600-900 CFM at 28" of water (about 1 PSI).   I guess the Superflow bench
> use a 3 phase electric motor that puts out about 5 horsepower.   Hmmm...
>
>         Maybe I can hook a blower drive up to my 11 horse lawn tractor PTO and
> find a used 6-71 roots blower, hook it to some 2.5 inch schedule 40 PVC and
> run it through a big heat exchanger/intercooler...
> Say, does anyone have any experience with flow benches?
>         -- Dan.

5 HP seems like a lot, to me, unless you're doing all 4 ports at once...
calculations should be simple... CFM per cylinder is what, maybe 1/8 of 1000
cfm... more that that the carb would not flow... what's the std. delta-p for
cfm measurements? Surely it's an SAE standard, right? Throw in a 70% efficiency
factor for fan/ motor, get a HP estimate... -Chris-

> >Heh, I was a car once in a boneyard in AZ...
> That must have been interesting for you.

:) typing in a tif of dylsexia, I guess... -Chris-


- --dist'r setting--

> It took me...well, lets just say it was a while...to figure it out.
>     Anyway, it turned out that I put the distributor back in to fire on
> #1 TDC...on the exhaust stroke!!  Funny, I could swear that both of the

First time I built an engine, that's what happened to me... I set the timing
chain & sprockets in place as the book showed, Chiltons?, but they sorta
neglected to mention that that postion was for #6 firing, not #1... -Chris-

> Subject: Car Songs
>     "Rocket 88" by Jessie Stone
>     "47 Olds" by Marc Nutter & Jim Schley-may
>     "56 Oldsmobile" by Duke Merrick

FWIW: there's a band in Phoenix/ Tempe area called the "Rocket 88's"
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:50:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Misc posts 

In a message dated 96-05-16 14:40:21 EDT, you write:

>> GM also had several prototype Toronado station wagons (Toro front clip
>> attached to a Vista Cruiser body), although it never came to production.
):
>> Greg K.
>
>My gosh... Just then you thought you'd heard it all... Yeah, how about a
>*convertible* then, huh? -Chris-
>
>

Chris,

Funny you should mention that! If you get that graphics veiwer going, I have
some VERY interesting stuff for you! If not, watch for the mailman!  he he he
!

Greg K

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:53:17 -0300
Subject: C Heads

>  Anybody in the vicinity want some C heads at under market rate, today is the
>day. I am not really interested in boxing & shipping them, but if you are near
>enough to come get 'em... Otherwise, they go to Dick Miller next week. -Chris-

In my ignorance, I put a '72 455 with Ga heads in my car.  This is a low
compression engine.  It is the pistons that make it a low compression
engine, correct?

My impression is that what I really should do is find a 1970 455, and that
C heads would not benefit me a great deal.

I'm within driving distance of Chris...

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-8007    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

------------------------------

From: John Schmich <schmich@AZStarNet.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:01:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Confused re. 5-liter V-8s 

At 03:35 PM 5/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I'm going to look at the '85 Cutlass I mentioned the other day, probably 
>tonight. My brother said over the phone that the owner told him it had a 
>"305" V-8. 
>
>Now, I'm confused. I know the Cutlass 2-door had a 307 that is the Olds 
>Rocket design. I also know that the dreaded Ch*vy v-8 is, in fact, 305 
>cubic inches, and I have heard these were also installed in some of these 
>cars, or at least in 4-doors. What was the pattern and/or logic which GM 
>used in this? Could this '85 Cutlass 2-door indeed have a Ch*vy 305? Or 
>does the owner not know what he's talking about? 
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
Greg,

     In the 80's model 2 door Cutlasses, you could get either the 307 or
305.  The 307 is more dominant for it was built in the U.S.  The Cutlasses
with 305s were made in Canada.  To find out which engine is really in the
car look at the 8th digit of the VIN.  The digit is the engine option.
Though this info is coming from an 86 owner's manual, my brother own's an 85
307" and I can't imagine that it changed in one year.

VIN 8th code Engine
Engine code ( H ) 5.0 L 305"  Produced in U.S. or Canada
Engine code ( Y ) 5.0 L 307"  Produced in U.S.
Engine code ( 9 ) 5.0 L  307"  Produced in U.S. (high output)

     If this car is a 2 door and being that you live in Canada, it is likely
that it is the 305".    Hope this helps.

Brandon
86 Salon 
Brodie 
85 Salon

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:51:36 -0300
Subject: Remote oil cooler

It sucks to have no memory.... DUH!
The Olds Diesel engines commonly used a remote oil cooler.. the filter mount is
plumbed for the 1/2 or 5/8 steel lines...  pretty bulletproof. Next time for
sure. There was a Diesel at Padnos today, I grabbed that oil filter mount and
the 'heavy duty' flexplate, too.

OK...
  "esxcessive iron rules the road"

What's the equivalent motto for the water-based boat?
  "excessive _______ rules the water"

Found a piston or two. Thanks, Bryceman! Turns out I had a couple on hand, too,
though of questionable salvageability. Then there's that 67 Toro complete
engine awaiting a Purpose In Life... hassle to extract it just a piston or 2
though...
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:29:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Build your own flow bench 

          I've been talking to that great resource of wisdom and wit, 
          Chris "Wisdom" Witt about building a flow bench.   
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
          
          There was a two-part article in Popular Hot Rodding several 
          years back on just this subject.  I'll see if I can find the 
          issues and let you know if I do.
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30    

------------------------------

From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 19:53:32 -0300
Subject: Re: engines

> >was the 307 ever fuel injected? TBI preferably, and what years...

> 307, no, but the 350 received Electronic Fuel Injection as installed in
> Cadillacs from 1976-1979, which would work on a 307 with bigger-port heads. I
> don't know if this system injected the fuel at the throttle-body or in the
> runners.

     Fuel injected at the ports.  I have a few of these intakes.... 
planning on eventually hooking up one of them on my 350 and running off a 
GM ECM or my own home-brew controller.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:54:34 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? 

>ok, i was driving down to school today when i saw a strange sight...a 4 dr.
>442!!!  now i doubt these were even made but it was there...it looked to be
>an 87 and it even had front bucket seats, the Hurst Lightning rods, and a
>307...whats the deal???  it looked really good...for a 4 dr

     Simple...  One of the designers had a rough night, and thought it meant
4 bbl, 4 DOOR, and dual exhaust!  Put out a couple of 'em, and realized his
mistake.  Then he started making those 4 cyl. 4 spd. versions that carry the
same name.  Just seems a shame that his supervisor didn't wake him up and
inform him that it was supposed to mean (4)55, (4) reduction foreward gears
(std 5 spd.) and (2) constant driving wheels in the rear!  Ya know, if
they're gonna stray from the normal, they could've done it ~right~!
     Maybe this thing was going to meet its relatives (those four, six, and
convert' Toros, or that Olds ElCamino thing!)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:55:22 -0300
Subject: Firebird stuff (Really!) 

Yeah, yeah, I know, this is the wrong list, etc, etc, but Tough!  I'll offer
it here anyway.  I recently added an 82 Firebird to my collection.  Totalled
twice, I bought it mainly for the rear wing.  Looks good, but doesn't fit
like I'd hoped.  I'll have pics soon.  Anyway, the car's been rolled (then
bondo'd up, then rolled AGAIN!) so it's kinda rough.  No engine or tranny,
but still have a bunch of parts around.  If anyone out there has any special
needs that I might have, let me know.  I'm sending it down the road within a
week.  (I'll keep some stuff around, just in case.)
     PS, It's painted Barney Purple.  If I put some green spots and a tail
on it, and took after it with a baseball bat, I wonder how much money I'd
make from a video!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 23:55:04 -0300
Subject: Web Page 

     -----NOTICE TO ALL INTERESTED-----
     
     Got a message yesterday about my page; some guy from Peterson
Publishing.  Seems they like the page, etc, but they want me to take my
articles OUT.  They apparantly have no problem with ~my~ stuff, but they
want to avoid any hassles for future incidents involving situations that may
actually affect thier business (ie, someone scans in an entire Hot Rod
straight off the shelf, obviously no one's going to ~buy~ one!  They don't
want to deal with the argument of "you've never enforced it before..." so
they are going to enforce it now.  Bummer!
     I didn't get to talk with the guy, he called the college (that carries
my page) and the message was forewarded to me from the college. 
     On the lighter side, Bill (the guy from the college) and Stephan (they
guy from Peterson) got to talking about me, and it was mentioned that I have
strong interests in both computers and cars.  I guess the words "Hell, he
should send us a resume" came out!  How's that for an interesting twist?!
Would be kinda cool working for/with Chevy Craft.  Might even be able to
change it back to Car Craft.  (Or if I had MY way, to "Olds Craft!")  Be
kinda nice to see those places or be with those guys that consider a low
budget overhaul to include new fenders, 1/4 panels, frame, 70000 Horsepower,
etc.!  I'd like to actually SEE that side of the coin!  Hell, for me an
expensive overhaul/resto involves 5 quarts of oil, filter, and MAYBE a two
dollar car wash!

     Anyway, about the page.  I'll leave it up for a couple of days, then
make it casually disappear.  Maybe after a week or so, I'll put it back out,
but in a hidden location with NO links to it, and post that to the list
here.  If no one else makes links to it, chances are the ~wrong~ viewers
won't find it, and we can still benefit.  We'll just have to see what happens.
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:31:11 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 442? 

          >...it was supposed to mean (4)55, (4) reduction foreward 
          gears (std 5 spd.) and (2) constant driving wheels in the 
          rear!
          
          
          Umm... It originally meant FOUR speed, FOUR barrel, DUAL 
          exhaust in 1964, when the engine was a 330 cu in small 
          block.  Olds changed it to FOUR hundred cu in, FOUR barrel, 
          DUAL exhaust in 1965 when the 400 replaced the 330 and the 
          Jetaway two speed auto was added as an option.  
          
          Of course, the 1966 tripower cars would be 4-6-2s...
          
          And everyone knows about the nine (?) 1964 442 four door 
          sedans which really were factory built (the advantage of 
          having your musclecar based on a police package...
          
          And there really were 1972 H/O Vista Cruisers built for use 
          at the Indy 500 that year, at least one of which is known to 
          exist in rough form.  Keep in mind that these were 
          apparently relatively stock Vista Cruisers with just the 
          W-25 hood and H/O graphics applied.
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #177
********************************

