
oldsmobile-digest          Saturday, 11 May 1996       Volume 01 : Number 172


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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 22:51:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

In a message dated 96-05-09 20:21:21 EDT, you write:

>Anyone know a good solution to buy 1/2" to 1" of height on coil springs

What about those metal spring adjusters -- put them on one way, pulls the
spring together, put them on the other way and it extends them.  Do these
risk damaging the springs like the rubber spacers you're talking about?

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:16:22 -0300
Subject: Re: crank is in 

In a message dated 96-05-09 20:59:42 EDT, you write:

>The crank from the guy in NY is in... it is indeed a 425 crank, 10-10, nice
&
>pretty, and with CL77 bearings, all ground & delivered for a mere $140. I
>think
>he has a 455 unit too if anyone is interested... Took about 3 days to get
>here.
>Packaging coulda been better, but here it is. I am happy.
>
>It's not BLUE either :)
>Too bad it's not a forged 455 crank...
>--
>Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

What's his number? I might go that route rather than regrinding my 403's
crank. Plus, since I'm in NY, I might get it in only two days!

Does he only do cranks?

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:16:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

In a message dated 96-05-09 20:21:21 EDT, you write:

>Actually, the factory pics of my '68 show it low on all four corners. I
>don't like that look much, and when I got mine it was really saggy. I
>replaced the rear springs first and got that nice cal rake you described. 
>Then I replaced the fronts and it sits slightly higher in the front now
[snip]
>Anyone know a good solution to buy 1/2" to 1" of height on coil springs 
>other than those rubber blocks that you jam into the spirals? I don't like 
>the idea of using them since I hear they can snap a spring on you. Anyone 
>know of a coil spring platform that you could insert over or under the 
>spring to produce the same effect, sort of a thick rubber biscuit maybe? 
>Don't really want to replace the rear springs *again*...

I think the better solution is to chop a half-coil from your *front* springs,
just so you don't go doing the reverse of shortening a leg at a time on a
chair, such that your '68 ends up looking like a monster truck. Plus, such a
solution is mainly labor, not buying any new parts, *and* a slightly lowered
front end would lower the center of gravity, potentially improving your
handling. Raising the rear even more wouldn't do such good things.

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From: Roger Saladin <rsaladin@bright.net>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:47:48 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Meeting TONIGHT! 

At 10:54 AM 5/9/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
     Assuming 8:00 EST, what do people say to moving it to 8:30 EST in the 
>     future.  That's 5:00 for us on the west coast, and most of us are 

I'll second that concept. While I'm in EST (or eastern daylight, now), I 
can't get on on Thursdays before 9:00 or maybe even a little later.

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From: Roger Saladin <rsaladin@bright.net>
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:47:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

At 09:12 PM 5/9/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Anyone know a good solution to buy 1/2" to 1" of height on coil springs 
>other than those rubber blocks that you jam into the spirals? I don't like 
>the idea of using them since I hear they can snap a spring on you. Anyone 

>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Have you looked at air shocks? They do what you're looking for. Also, I 
don't know if they are still available, but they used to make air bags
(inflatable) that went inside the coil springs, did the same thing.

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From: J.Easton@zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:07:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders

     Since I just replaced the rear springs in my 442 to get rid of that 
     "rocket" look, I went to the 1970 Olds Chassis Service manual where 
     they list the specs for a 442 thus;
     
     Measurments from bottom lip of rocker panel to ground
     
     Front (measured 1"                 Rear (measured 3" forward of
     rearward of door opening)          wheel opening)
     
     F-85 Cpe V8      10 1/16"          9 7/8"
     442              9 5/8"            9 1/2"
     
     (There are other specs for wagons, FE2, and L-6 that I omitted)
     
     So it appears that the front is higher, but I doubt its enough to even 
     notice.  442's in general are set lower than a plain old F-85.
     
     As for Greg's question on "helpers"  my brother went to Trak Auto and 
     bought some gizmo over the counter that consisted of a hollow pipe, 
     new spring seat, and a bolt for his '71 skylark.  The given pipes were 
     too long in his opinion, so he cut one in half for half the lift.  The 
     new seat sits on the pipe, which bolts to the existing seat.  The old 
     springs now sit on the raised seat.  Seems to work for him and cost a 
     lot less than new springs.
     
     -Jeff Easton
     Zenith Data Systems
     
     1970 442 4-speed

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From: Jeffrey King <jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:38:30 -0300
Subject: Highway shootings

>Pat Clark wrote:
>
>Along the lines of not aggrevating someone on the highway; a couple of months
>ago a man shot another man who accosted him at a stoplight. Said the guy tried
>punch him through his window and he felt threatened! Here in Texas we have a
>right to carry law, so you never know about what some people are capable of.

Just to set the record straight, the man who did the shooting *was*
justified.  After hearing his account, and the account of witnesses,
he was "no billed" by the Dallas County grand jury.  
Seems he was involved in a very minor accident.  The other guy jumped
out of his car, punched out his window and took several punches at
him while holding onto his clothing with the other hand.  He could 
not get away.  The guy doing the punching was twice the size of him 
also.  The shooter had a license to carry, and acted within the law 
in this case.  

I hate to even sound like I'm justifying this kind of action, but
in this case, the guy who got shot was clearly in the wrong.  It's
something to remember, however, when someone bumps the rear of your
442, Delta, or Super 88 at a light.

Now, on another subject.  Anyone ever try to hook a TH400 to a
early 60's 394??  I really don't like my 'slim jim' and was 
wondering if there were a simple way of converting over.   
- -- 
================================================================
Jeffrey W. King(N5PNU) Internet: -----> jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com
Route 1, Box 290       Internet/packet:   n5pnu@dfwgate.ampr.org
Krum, TX. 76249        Packet:    N5PNU @ N5AUX.#DFW.TX.USA.NOAM
817-482-3446 (home)    214-597-1021 (pager)
214-956-6714 (work)    If none of the above works:    HEY YOU!!!
================================================================
       1961 Olds Super 88   http://www.442.com/king.html
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From: Anectine@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:46:31 -0300
Subject: am-fm stereo radio installation 

 i am trying to install a am-fm stereo radio in my 69cutlass
the system has two separate pieces . one is the radio and 
the other is a stereo adapter. i have looked in my shop manual
to find where the adapter is suppose to be installed but it does
not show any diagram . If anyone could help me on this installation
i would appreciate it.I need to know where the adapter is to be installed
                                                Thanks 
                                                     Chuck Lobrano

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:54:29 -0300
Subject: Re: GTOs and  'Olds' Ladies ( Was Re: Auto Humor) 

At 10.40 05,09,96 -0300, you wrote:
>>The Olds Acronym that started out 'Old Ladies Driving Slowly..' was
prominently
>>exemplified yesterday on my commute home from Boston on the Mass. Pike...
>
>I couldn't help but laugh at your story even though my grandmother drives at
>78 and owns, yes...a 90's model 88 and only with the extra lift from her
>cushion can see over the dash between the steering wheel.  Why do these
>ladies insist on having big cars?  I tried to get her to buy a little car,
>said we'd all be safer, but no...she won.  But it's awfully funny to see her
>in this huge car, she's such a petite woman!

when my grandmother was still alive she was a big woman in a big olds...she
would light em up right in front of our house when she would leave...but
then my dad said something to her and she would wait till she got just
around the corner and we would hera the tires burn...she was
awesome...sometimes she would be pulling out into a busy street and say,
"zack, are there any cars?" and before you could answer she would tear out
of there...amost bought the farm a few times doing that:)
                    zack

>Susan Pitts
>University of Virginia School of Law
>580 Massie Road
>Charlottesville, VA  22903-1789
>
>O:(804)924-4769
>F:(804)924-7536
>
>
>
>
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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:03:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Coolant flush 

At 13.40 05,09,96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I am strategizing my weekend plans.  I want to flush my coolant system
>out, becuase it has become very rusty.
>
>What do you recommend for flushing a system?  Is this prestone super flush
>good or should I just drain and flush with water.  Do I need to take ou
>the thermostat and run the car to circulate the water to help flush?
>
>The ultimate question is this.  I have tried to replace coolant before,
>and drained the radiator.  But when refilling with new coolant, it seems
>like I cant get the full amount into the system.  
>
>
>
>Cary Yamamoto                                 University of NV, Reno
>Coordinator,                                  Prospective Students/110
>Prospective Students                          Reno, NV  89557
>                                              (702) 784-4865 
>	                                      (702) 784-1852 fax	 
>
>

here's how i do it...start flushing the system with water...once it starts
running out clear, then put it all back together and pur half of the total
capacity of PURE antifreeze...then just fill the rest up to the cold line
with water...that way you will be sure to have a 50/50 mix
                    zack
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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:16:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

At 22.51 05,09,96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-05-09 15:28:43 EDT, you write:
>
>> We really don't
>>care about the Chevelles, tho, do we?  :)
>
>Nah, they've always got their tails draggin', no matter what you do to them
>
>

thats because they are always trying to run away with their tails between
their legs...
                              zack
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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:01:21 -0300
Subject: Visiting Detroit 

Too all who are familiar with the Detroit area:

Just finished booking plans for the USA 500 at Brooklyn MI on May 26.

We are staying in downtown Detroit the Crown Plaza for that weekend.

Question: I know the R E Olds Museum is in Lansing, but unfortunatley it will
be too far away to visit during our stay as most of the time will be spent at
the track. Is/are there any other points of interest (OLDSMOBILE wise thats
is) that are more proximal to the Detroit vicinity? Like in a 50 mile radius
or so.

I have never been to the motor city, and never know if/when I will ever
return there, so I want to make the best of it!

TIA,

Greg

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 02:17:57 -0300
Subject: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders?

> 
> Have you looked at air shocks? They do what you're looking for. Also, I 
> don't know if they are still available, but they used to make air bags
> (inflatable) that went inside the coil springs, did the same thing.

	Don't know if there is any truth to it, but I have heard that air 
shocks can do some nasties to your shock mounts since they take the 
weight of the car off the spring (which was designed to handle the load) 
and puts it on that mount (which was only designed to handle the stress 
of the shock).  But, like I said thats only what I've heard (no personal 
horror stories to draw on for this one, luckily).  
	I would probibly do like someone else here said and take a notch off 
the front coils.  Go easy though, a little goes a long ways when you're 
doing that.  And as far as thoes things you jam between the coils...well, 
I would just avoid them alltogether.  Sticking *anything* in there seems 
like a bad idea.  
	I've had a car that a previous owner put them in as a last ditch 
effort to keep the front end from sagging.  Not a pretty sight!

	Hope you "level" things out.
	
	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:28:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders?

On Thu, 9 May 1996 Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
> I think the better solution is to chop a half-coil from your *front* springs,
> just so you don't go doing the reverse of shortening a leg at a time on a
> chair, such that your '68 ends up looking like a monster truck. Plus, such a
> solution is mainly labor, not buying any new parts, *and* a slightly lowered
> front end would lower the center of gravity, potentially improving your
> handling. Raising the rear even more wouldn't do such good things.

Thought about doing that, but was afraid of stiffening up the fronts too 
much, which I understand cutting out a coil would do. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 06:31:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Visiting Detroit

I was wondering about this also... how long a drive is it from Metro 
Airport in Detroit to Lansing? I guess I'm looking at a rental car and 
not a cab ride, right? 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: proietto@dow.on.doe.ca (Proietto, F.)
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:23:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Visiting Detroit

Greg, having done this many times, that is from Toronto to Windsor, which is 
the border city to detroit the trip is 3.5-4.0 hr from Toronto to Windsor 
depending of far east in Toronto you are. From Windsor to Detroit airport is 
about 30 minutes. Take the Tunnel is alot faster.

Regards
Fernando

>I was wondering about this also... how long a drive is it from Metro 
>Airport in Detroit to Lansing? I guess I'm looking at a rental car and 
>not a cab ride, right? 
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>
>
>

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From: J.Easton@zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:45:11 -0300
Subject: Olds Today

     Is anybody else getting this paper?  I started receiving it a couple 
     of months ago.  It looks like a paper sent to dealers to keep them up 
     to date on Olds business.  A side bar in the first issue I got 
     mentioned that they were going to send it to OCA members, as a lead up 
     to the centennial.
     
     The May issue contains a front page article on a new Virtual Showroom 
     CD-ROM they will be promoting in June.  An insert in six magazines 
     including Forbes, Business Week, Byte, PC Computing will offer a free 
     CD-ROM that has a product lineup of Olds cars, interactive 
     demonstrations, quicktime movies and a street atlas.
     
     Also of interest, the paper mentions that the RE Olds Transportation 
     Museum is offering "45 years of Olds Advertising" on VHS tape.  Each 
     tape is $19.95 and they are split into three tapes, with ads covering 
     1948-1960, 1961-1974, and 1975-1992.  Call (517) 372-0529.
     
     The front page has a sidebar with a survey of "Who's on the Net".  One 
     item says 72% of the net people surveyed made purchases based on 
     information obtained on-line.  Now if they'd only wake up and finish 
     their own web site... :-)
     
     -Jeff Easton
     Zenith Data Systems
     
     1970 442  4-Speed 

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:01:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

>	Don't know if there is any truth to it, but I have heard that air 
>shocks can do some nasties to your shock mounts since they take the 
>weight of the car off the spring (which was designed to handle the load) 
>and puts it on that mount (which was only designed to handle the stress 
>of the shock).

In a seriously overloaded and rusted-out car, they will cheerfully punch
holes up into the trunk. If the springs have problems, fix the springs.
Our old '72 LeMans came with air shocks on the back, and I admit I pumped
them up to 35-40 psi sometimes if I felt like jacking the rake up for the
evening.  :-)  But I always made sure the trunk was empty, and the car
rode like a tank when I did that. Keeping whatever the labeled minimum
pressure was (25 psi, I think) was how I usually had it.

(Different thread: The '72 LeMans, bright red with the Endura/GTO front
clip, was my _mother's_ car. My mother the leadfoot.  :-)  She's talking
about trading her current Dodge Lancer for something more exciting now, too.)

I like the idea of the adaptor seats, that seat-within-a-seat design
that somebody else mentioned. You want to doublecheck your brake flex
line hose length when you do that, of course, and you're adding an inch
or two to your shock travel as well, if that matters.

>	I would probibly do like someone else here said and take a notch off 
>the front coils.  Go easy though, a little goes a long ways when you're 
>doing that.

If the springs are coming out anyway, I would swap in lower-profile springs,
not knock a coil off the existing ones. You'd be left with the same spring
rate but less travel, making it a bit easier to bottom out the car, IMHO.

>I would just avoid them alltogether.  Sticking *anything* in there seems 
>like a bad idea.  

Second that. You'd be adding a new pivot point for the spring to compress
around, right in the middle of the coils, not where it's supposed to be.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:14:43 -0300
Subject: Worthless Synthetic Oil Reply

Michelle Harris (odw@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> 
> Reply:  You can start using Mobil 1 in new vehicles at any time.  In
> fact, Mobil 1 is the factory fill for the Corvette LT-1 and LT-5
> engines.  And, Mobil and Porsche just announced a new partnership that
> will also have all Porsche cars manufactured at Zuffenhausen plant will
> be lubricated with Mobil 1.  One of the myths that persists about Mobil
> 1 is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil.
> Current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in
> period.  As the decisions by the engineers who design the Corvette and
> Porsche engines indicate, Mobil 1 can be used in an engine from the day
> you drive the car off the show room floor.
> 
> If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail
> address: lubes@ffx.mobil.com or by phone at 1-800-9 MOBIL 1.
> 
> Thanks

I had originally asked Mobil if it was "ok" to use Mobil 1 on engines 
with 100,000+ miles... oh well. At least I got a reply.
- -- 

Bruce D. Brumm (bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com)
Network & Systems Administrator
LDM Technologies, Inc.
Troy, MI

'84 Cutlass Supreme 307-Y
'86 Cutlass Salon 307-Y

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:15:06 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car 

>>OK, thanks.  Production figures would be nice.  He also said it has a really
>>low ratio rear, 2.5? or 2.4?.  Guess that's to keep the motor from winding
>>out while pacing the race track...
>
>Some of the Corvettes were almost completely stock, whereas some
>other brands were heavily modified in order to keep up with Indy traffic
>and got a lot of hardware that the replicas would never have. The Cadillac
>used one year (1976?) was so modified that they wouldn't give it to Gordon
>Johncock when he won the race that year; he got a replica instead. It may
>turn out that the most valuable parts of this Delta 88 are the door stickers.
>
>Anyway, details to follow tomorrow...

(The Cadillac was 1973, not 1976.)

Sorry for the delay; here are the details. Unfortunately production
figures were not given for the '77 Delta 88 pace car. Maybe the Olds
Historical Center will have them.

Quote from Car Collector magazine, June 1996, "Indy Pace Cars", part 3
by Dennis Adler:

"By the late '70s, General Motors had proven to be the dominant builder
of Indy pace cars. In 1977 it was a specially built Oldsmobile Delta 88.
It marked Olds' sixth appearance at the Brickyard. The pace car was a
bright metallic silver set off by a special gloss black insert and red
accent stripes. Olds offered Delta 88 Royale hardtop coupe pace car 
replicas to the public powered by a "street legal" version of the modified
403cid V8 used in the actual car."

"Jim Garner returned to the driver's seat in '77. He also raced a specially-
designed four-wheel-drive Olds Cutlass that year in several major off-road
events."

The article covers pace cars from 1966 to the present; Oldsmobiles were
also used in 1970 (442), 1972 (Hurst), 1974 (Hurst), 1985 (Calais "500")
and 1988 (Cutlass Supreme).

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:18:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

>     The front page has a sidebar with a survey of "Who's on the Net".  One 
>     item says 72% of the net people surveyed made purchases based on 
>     information obtained on-line.  Now if they'd only wake up and finish 
>     their own web site... :-)

We could offer to do it for them, or at least give them a start. No,
I'm serious...

BTW, our local paper had a toasty, less-than-favorable review of Ford's
web site when they went to check it for information on that big recall
for ignition switch fires. There was _nothing_ about it there, and when
they called up Ford to ask why, they were told by some frosty PR person
that the web site was for marketing only. Ha!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:22:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Worthless Synthetic Oil Reply 

A>I had originally asked Mobil if it was "ok" to use Mobil 1 on engines 
>with 100,000+ miles... oh well. At least I got a reply.

You got a weird, grammatically-messed-up reply from somebody with what
looks like a NetCruiser account that didn't answer your question, then
told you to direct followups somewhere else? How did you manage this?  ;-)

(FWIW, the bit about Mobil-1 as a Corvette factory fill _is_ correct...)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com (Bruce D. Brumm )
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:58:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Worthless Synthetic Oil Reply

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>> I had originally asked Mobil if it was "ok" to use Mobil 1 on engines
>> with 100,000+ miles... oh well. At least I got a reply.
>
> You got a weird, grammatically-messed-up reply from somebody with what
> looks like a NetCruiser account that didn't answer your question, then
> told you to direct followups somewhere else? How did you manage this?  ;-)
>
> (FWIW, the bit about Mobil-1 as a Corvette factory fill _is_ correct...)
>

I visited their web site & sent the following message to lubes@mobil.com:

>Subject: Mobil-1 Application Question
>    Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 11:24:21 -0700
>    From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
>      To: lubes@mobil.com
>
>I am interesed in using your Mobil-1 10W-30 synthetic oil in my '86
>Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon with an Oldsmobile 307 V8.  There are
>approximately 105,000 miles on this car/engine.  Since I purchased the
>car in early March, I have been using what I believe is a Mobil "partial"
>synthetic oil in the engine (from an Oil Depot).  It is 10W-30.  Do you
>advise switching to a full synthetic with 105,000+ miles?  The car is
>driven daily to and from work, and for pleasure on weekends(~120-150
>miles/week).  I plan (hopefully) to put at least another 100,000 miles on
>the car.  My '84 Olds. Cutlass Supreme with 180,000 miles still burns no
>oil and runs very well.  I change the oil and filter on both cars every
>3000-5000 miles.
>
>I eagerly await your reply.

Go figure.  Does anybody know? FWIW, I will send the same message again to
lubes@ffx.mobil.com and see what happens!
- --
Bruce D. Brumm (bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com)
Network & Systems Administrator
LDM Technologies, Inc.
Troy, MI

'84 Cutlass Supreme 307-Y
'86 Cutlass Salon 307-Y

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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:06:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders?

Scott R Clark wrote:
> 
> >
> > Have you looked at air shocks? They do what you're looking for. Also, I
> > don't know if they are still available, but they used to make air bags
> > (inflatable) that went inside the coil springs, did the same thing.
> 
>         Don't know if there is any truth to it, but I have heard that air
> shocks can do some nasties to your shock mounts since they take the
> weight of the car off the spring (which was designed to handle the load)
> and puts it on that mount (which was only designed to handle the stress
> of the shock).  But, like I said thats only what I've heard (no personal
> horror stories to draw on for this one, luckily).

Hey all you G-body (81-88)442 and Hurst owners...didn't the 442 and Hurst come stock
with air shocks?  I know a guy with an '84 442 in which he had rear air shocks--presumably
from the factory.  Anyone?  I recall that the late-model (mid-80's) Toronado had a
suspension system which used a compressor to actively maintain a rear ride height -- this
was from reading the factory shop manual (ok, ok, but it still beats watching "Friends" or
re-runs of "The Dukes of Hazzard!").  Shop manuals are great!
- -- 

Bruce D. Brumm (bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com)
Network & Systems Administrator
LDM Technologies, Inc.
Troy, MI

'84 Cutlass Supreme 307-Y
'86 Cutlass Salon 307-Y

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:15:05 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car 

In a message dated 96-05-10 10:30:04 EDT, you write:

>In 1977 it was a specially built Oldsmobile Delta 88.
>It marked Olds' sixth appearance at the Brickyard.

Andrew,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Oldsmobile have the record for "most"
pace car appearances? I believe they did at one time, not sure if it holds
true anymore.

Greg K

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:15:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Visiting Detroit 

In a message dated 96-05-10 05:34:01 EDT, you write:

>I was wondering about this also... how long a drive is it from Metro 
>Airport in Detroit to Lansing? I guess I'm looking at a rental car and 
>not a cab ride, right? 
>
>

Greg,

Nope, definately not a cab ride! From Detriot to Lansing looks like about 70
miles or so.

BTW, is anyone going to be at the USA 500? Perhaps we could all meet
somewhere at the track or in Detroit (time permitting)

Greg K

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:15:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

In a message dated 96-05-10 10:13:28 EDT, you write:

>
>     Is anybody else getting this paper?  I started receiving it a couple 
>     of months ago.  It looks like a paper sent to dealers to keep them up 
>     to date on Olds business.  A side bar in the first issue I got 
>     mentioned that they were going to send it to OCA members, as a lead up 
>     to the centennial.

Jeff,

I have also been getting it for a few months or so. As memebers of the OCA,
we are recieveing complimentary copies. Not sure for how long though.

Greg Kalkhoff

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From: Lucas Frick <frick@macrochip.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:19:27 -0300
Subject: RE: Highway Shootings

While I am all for a good fight, a lot of people here in Dallas need to =
calm down.  The guys who bumped mirrors are a good example.  There is no =
need for some insecure gun toting punk to kill another person - because =
he got hit in the face.  I don't think there is a purpose to shooting a =
person in the chest when you are scared.  The shooter could have easily =
waved the gun in the air and said, "Don't mess with my Olds, CHUMP" and =
that would have been the end of that.  (Now it is Olds related - people =
are a lot more protective of their Oldsmobiles than other cars.)  I can =
only think of a very few situations that would warrant shooting a =
person, but to a lot of crazzzzys --- life is cheap. When I caught the =
loser that stole my motorcycle I did beat the snot out of him, but I =
certainly wouldn't shoot some person for that. =20

442 Luke

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:21:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

>I recall that the late-model (mid-80's) Toronado had a
>suspension system which used a compressor to actively maintain a rear ride
>height -- this was from reading the factory shop manual (ok, ok, but it 
>still beats watching "Friends" or re-runs of "The Dukes of Hazzard!").

Well, good point, my Bonneville has this same system (nice touch: the
compressor also supplies an air valve in the trunk for reinflating tires).
But I assume that the frame mounting points are reinforced from square one
to account for this, whereas a hangon system may or may not transfer load
to the right places.

And note that I put all kinds of weasel words like "seriously overloaded" 
and "rusted-out" in my last answer, so you can't prove I'm either right
or wrong. So there.  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:25:29 -0300
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:23:53 -0300
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:26:37 -0300
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:24:52 -0300
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Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 12:27:23 -0300
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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:42:20 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car 

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Oldsmobile have the record for "most"
>pace car appearances? I believe they did at one time, not sure if it holds
>true anymore.

Ummm, dunno. Just skimmed the article again hoping to find a final tally,
but no such luck, plus there are no statistics from the first two parts
of the story (which ran several years ago -- go figure). At a glance, I'd
say that GM is almost certainly the leader, but several marques are pretty
close together in numbers... Chevy, Olds and Pontiac are all over the place.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 05:55:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

     My '84 H/O came with air shocks in the rear from the factory.  They 
     were available as an option on most G-body Cutlasses.  Personally, I 
     don't like the way they ride.  They offer a lot of support, and it's 
     really neat to be able to level out the back when carrying a bunch of 
     stuff, but they don't absorb shocks like a shock absorber is supposed 
     to do.  They just kinda bounce, like you'd expect something full of 
     air to do.  I'm thinking of either replacing them with normal shocks, 
     or perhaps trying some aftermarket air shocks that may have more 
     dampening.
     
     I know the Turbo Regal crowd likes to use those air bags in the rear 
     for traction control.  They put one just in the right side, or just 
     fill up the right side more than the left to help plant the tires.  
     JCW has them, I think about $75.  For $25 more you could probably get 
     yourself into something like Eibach or PST springs.
     
     Tom L.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders?
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    5/9/96 10:54 PM

> Have you looked at air shocks? They do what you're looking for. Also, I 
> don't know if they are still available, but they used to make air bags 
> (inflatable) that went inside the coil springs, did the same thing.
     
 Don't know if there is any truth to it, but I have heard that air 
     shocks can do some nasties to your shock mounts since they take the 
     weight of the car off the spring (which was designed to handle the 
     load) and puts it on that mount (which was only designed to handle the 
     stress of the shock).

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:32:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Methods of painting headers 

In a message dated 96-05-08 21:53:32 EDT, you write:

>>Eastwood has a "Stainless Steel" paint that I put on the exhaust manifolds
>of
>>the SX over 5 years ago and they still look great.
>>
>>Never tried it on headers tho.
>>
>
>is it gloss, or flat?
>               zack

Hard to say when your painting a casting like exhaust manifolds.  It is
probably flat, that is not as shiny as the JetHot coating which is an
entirely different type of coating.  But the SS paint sure does seem to last
well.

Bob Handren
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:32:30 -0300
Subject: Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies ( Was Re: Auto Humor) 

In a message dated 96-05-09 07:48:37 EDT, you write:

>I was proceeding westbound (as proceeding east from Boston would put one
>in the Harbor :) ), j

Now Tim, I have a lot of relatives in the Boston area.  Having lived on both
coasts of the continent and many places in between, the drivers in the Boston
area are the craziest, stubbornest, etc., etc., drivers anywhere.

Would you believe I actually locked the wheels on a 23 foot motor home trying
to miss the idjut that cut me off!  I don't think he could say we were
difficult to see being two tone green on white, 8 feet across, 10 feet plus
high and 23 feet long.

I had an Uncle from Boston.  He drove with his left wheels _on_ the center
line and wouldn't move for anybody.  He met another drive with the same
driving technique.  They took the sides off each others car rather than move!

I'll stop there. There's more, believe me when I say that I've seen Boston
area drivers do things you would not believe.  Right Tim?

Bob Handren
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

------------------------------

From: MIKE COCCAGNA <mikec@pop.kis.net>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:11:53 -0300
Subject: Shock Absorbers

Does anyone have a source for Koni shock absorbers?  I've had mixed 
luck finding a distributer for them locally.  I'm looking for Koni 
Yellow Sports to fit on my '91 Quad442.

Also, have you had any experience with these shocks?  What's the ride 
like?  I plan for mostly street use (90%) of the time.

Thanks!

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:45:56 -0300
Subject: Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies ( Was Re: Auto Humor)

> From: BobH592058@aol.com

> Now Tim, I have a lot of relatives in the Boston area.  Having lived on both
> coasts of the continent and many places in between, the drivers in the Boston
> area are the craziest, stubbornest, etc., etc., drivers anywhere.
>

  Anecdotes regarding Bob's personal New England driver observations clipped

> I'll stop there. There's more, believe me when I say that I've seen Boston
> area drivers do things you would not believe.  Right Tim?
> 

Almost, but not quite true.  I've been in other areas of the country where
the drivers are crazier (Try the Jersey Turnpike or the G.S.P southbound on a
summer Friday afternoon) and more stubborn (VA drivers for instance -- In
General, your experience may vary -- don't seem to like to change lanes,
despite the fact that they're doing 50 mph in the fast lane and no one is
to the right of them in the other two lanes); but what makes Boston drivers
seem crazier and more stubborn than drivers anywhere else is the general
lack of rudimentary driving skills.

It used to be quite scary riding a motorcycle in these parts... I've had
people swerve to try & hit me! 



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:24:40 -0300
Subject: misc. stuffs

> I have this same question about my "E"'s. I thought only the 442 motors came
> with them (or was that with the rotators?). Maybe it was the W-30 heads that
> had all these? Who knows the truth (beyond what Mondello and Year One print-
> yeah, #7's with hardened seats...)

Isn't this gone over in excruciating detail in the FAQ? Don't make me go out
and dismantle the E's again just to refresh my memory... 'Course I might have
to get them out to measure retainer-guide clearance for that one person... I
am 99% sure that the set I have did indeed sport hard seats, all rotators, and
were big-valve E's, the std. issue for 442's, Toros, irrigation motors, motor
homes, & the like.

Speaking of which, I am trying to get hold of a local guy here who HAS a forged
crank just sitting around, he says it came out of a motor home engine made in
about '71 or '72... So, EVERYBODY, call your local Motor Home Service facility,
ask if there's any 'extra' Olds engines lying about... leave your [or better
yet, MY] phone # in case the get any...

> 1) What are the specifics of the engines in these cars? (This appears to
> be a 4-barrel model)

Big.

> 2) What is such a car worth in that condition?

I agree with the $50-100 assessment. Scrap value plus whatever useful parts
there are.

> 3) Anyone have a clue as to production figures, my Year One says "???"
> for all models? (Only figure I've heard, which I have taken with a large
> grain of salt, is 1 of 100 built.)

Well, 100, 1000, whatever...

> gears and proceeded to run 12.50's on slicks with the 130,000 mile engine
> using the stock Q-jet.  Now this car is going to be mine and I am
> probably going to use the engine in my project Cutlass until my "built"
> motor comes out of the shop.  I was thinking about donating the shell
> sans drivetrain to a local classic car restorer, is this a good idea?

You're going to use for your driving car an engine that, after 130,000 miles of
use, was forced to emit an additonal 125 HP via nitrous?! OK... Donating is
good...

> bolt IN there!]/, and getting an open end 7/16 wrench onto it was a 1/2-turn a
> a time challenge... the socket-head bolts look great, work great, and are far
> faster to install. -Chris-

That was supposed to be *1/12* turn at a time... dang LAG! -Chris-

> ...AND TEACH WIFES, GIRLFRIENDS, AND DAUGHTERS ENOUGH ABOUT THEIR CARS SO
> THAT STRANGERS WON'T DECEIVE THEM...MY THANKS TO MY DAD AND HUSBAND FOR
> TEACHING ME THE BASICS OF CAR MECHANICS!  I may not be able to fix it, but I
> hope I've learned enough to keep me alive these days.
> Susan Pitts

Amen to that! -Chris-

> And get a car phone. One that's permanently installed in the car is one

And again. My wife, shuttling the kids to school a week or three ago, cut thru
a muffler shop [Muffler Man, Jolly & Logan] parking lot to save a minute or 3
at a light. Apparently this irks the manager to no end. He jumped in his Blazer
and chased her down, screaming obscenitites at her. When she figured out he was
talking to/ accosting her, she picked up the phone & dialed 911... whereupon he
decided 'twas time to go back and scout for other offenders.  For what? the
guy's gonna give himself a heart attack over what is really nothing... if he
simply closed his eyes & thought nice thoughts when the occasional motorist
used his parking lot for a cut-thru, he would not even notice... they would
come & go with no effect on his life at all... and everyone would be better
off.

  Seems to mee like if you just cannot afford a cell phone, at least a fake one
might be enough to bluff your way out of trouble... Some joker approaches the
car, like that screaming maniac, you 'make a call to 911', describe the guy,
etc. if they THINK that the cops are on the way, it might be enough to make
them go elsewhere & quit pestering you, which is the immediate goal.

> From: Lucas Frick <frick@macrochip.com>
> Subject: RE: 455  W34 specs
> I'll take you up on that reward for the steel crank picture, Chris
> Next week I'll have a scanner here at work.  Send you one then.  No not =
> the crank, the picture.  Put in a motor mount last night  - didn't know  =

Well, if you really want to and can do this, wait till I see if the local guy
can come thru... if not, what I'd need is clear closeups of:
  *the thick parting line characteristic of a forging, not the thin line that
castings have.
  *the ID number [I hesitate to call it a "casting" number, but that one, the
6-digit one]
  *the day of mfgr would be nice- the screw-plate 1 thru 365 #...
  *the shape of [and orientation of WRT the offset hole] the notch, if any, on
the rear flange. Just mark the offset holes with paint or similar...
  *any other peculiar markings, etc.
- -Chris-

> Along the lines of not aggrevating someone on the highway; a couple of months
> ago a man shot another man who accosted him at a stoplight. Said the guy tried
> punch him through his window and he felt threatened! Here in Texas we have a
> right to carry law, so you never know about what some people are capable of.

Cool, one less jerk accosting folks with violence. Natural Selection hard at
work! For those of us that don't live in TX, the pepper sprays can be fairly
effective, too... Or just a regular fire extinguisher. You have a right and a
duty to defend yourself... -Chris-

> So after draining the old stuff (into a container, not down the sewer),
> I press the lower hose back on temporarily, turn on the garden hose and
> start the engine. I also turn the dash heat control to HOT to open the
> heater valve. The backflush flows out the top of the radiator, and every
> few minutes I pull the lower hose off and let it gush out the bottom to
> remove additional sediment.

OK, so, what DO you guys do with your old coolant???
And, do you save ALL that stuff that you drain out, until it runs clear, or do
you save the first 1/2 of the 50/50 mix, then flush the remaining stuffs away
and if so to where?
   I usually save to reuse about 90% of the old stuff, unless refreshing the
2-year old coolant... when the brown stuff starts pouring out, I call that the
dregs and discard it.
  Also, to drain the block- easy! Take out that little plug with a 9/16" wrench
size head, the ones by the motor mounts- use a 6-point socket and the longest
ratchet or breaker arm you can find!. Do this while clear water is in there for
ease of cleanup... Then, replace them with 90-degree petcocks. Cost about $3
each... use sealant on the threads. Next time, slip a 3/8" line over the
petcocks, open them and drain into a receptacle. Then, flush with water and/or
flushing chemicals as you see fit.
  I find that it's always best to drain an engine or trans completely before
extracting it [which I've had a LOT of practice with lately...] If you don't,
it just slops out at the most inopportune time, makes a mess... -Chris-

> I'm building a cold air system similar to the early w-30 442's and
> the early sixties thunderbolts: 2  4 or 5" dia flex hoses that route
> cold from the front of the firewall to an air cleaner box.  I'm
> lacking a source for the flex hoses.  Any ideas?
> Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass

I believe NAL has it for prices similar to JCW. See Bryce's page for list of
suppliers. -Chris-

> >like I cant get the full amount into the system.

I have had occasions, like just last week installing the 425 into the race car
again... where not all the coolant will go in at first... have to 'burp' out
the air. Easiest way is usually to remove the uppermost connection- the heater
hose at the firewall- and then add coolant until it reaches that opening and/or
the radiator neck opening. Then, bring engine to operating temp, cool down, and
RECHECK the radiator coolant level. Of course, if simply swapping engines, like
I tend to do, and re-using the coolant... what came out must go back in, plus a
little for spillage, etc. -Chris-

> > >Are the gods trying to tell me something?
>
> Actually, it's Douglas Adams, author of 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'.
>
> There is an editing error in his book.  Deep Thought's answer to Life,
> The Universe and Everything was *really* 442, not 42... :)
> Tim Churchill

Hah! I love that!

> >Has anyone ever noticed something about factory pictures of the '68-'72
> >Cutlasses? The rears look like the springs have 400,000 miles on them, the
> >way they are sagging back there! Was this the way the cars were actually
> >delivered, or did the camera crew just have all their gear in the trunk at
> >the time?

Same bonehead that designed the hood to open a total of about 8"...

> I'm looking for an exhaust manifold for the passenger side of my little
> '67 330.  ...but I want the dual exhaust version.

An X-W pair would be about right for your purposes. Good luck. Chris.

> Did any small-block manifolds come with the center divider?

Not really; only the later dual xst mans, which fit either BB or SB, but are
letter-coded, making them appear to be BB parts. Some X [LH] and the W-Z
[LH-RH] pair have the dividers. -Chris-

> Anyone know a good solution to buy 1/2" to 1" of height on coil springs
> other than those rubber blocks that you jam into the spirals? I don't like

Factory had rubber rings under the springs at times- dealer might still have
them... -Chris-

> > Huh, the aluminum V8 is still at Padnos, saved from the giant loader.
>
> I have one in a turbo car that I have owned since 1976.  Check out the
> water passages before you buy.  Some people used just plain water when
> they came out and didn't realize that the factory meant it when they
> said use 50/50 water/antifreeze.  The aluminum reacted to the plain
> water and just ate-up.  I don't know how you would fix one if it was
> damaged. Bill Culp

Yeah, it got rained on all last nite. Engine was not free-turning. Epoxy
smeared onto the water pump. I passed on it...
  There was also a J-head TOR 455 there, but I didn't even get that. It was
kinda entwined with a big cast iron bathtub. Oil pan looked OK, but too much
work for a J-head engine... [I better get a checkup, did you just hear me!?]

Got the 4 'new' rods for the 425 polished & side-relieved last nite...
Apparently the pistons fought removal due to rust... did you know pistons CAN
come apart? Cam is on order, gaskets, new oil pump, lifters, pushrod, so far so
good...

A contributing cause: inspected the oil pump today. Besides the gouged gears
and case sides from running tons of cam dust thru it... some of the cam dust
got into the gap between the relief valve and its bore, stuck it pretty firmly
in a 'partly open' configuration. Hmmmmm....
  Finally, some parts to *SELL TO* Padnos!
I wonder if those rods can be re-heat treated & repaired...?
- --
Chris Witt   wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 14:39:54 -0300
Subject: Re: misc. stuffs 

>  Seems to mee like if you just cannot afford a cell phone, at least 
>a fake one might be enough to bluff your way out of trouble... Some 
>joker approaches the car, like that screaming maniac, you 'make a call 
>to 911', describe the guy, etc. if they THINK that the cops are on the 
>way, it might be enough to make them go elsewhere & quit pestering you, 
>which is the immediate goal.

Heh-heh. I'm sitting outside our office in my Cutlass one day waiting for
a friend, and some derelict walks up to my window and _will_ _not_ go away
for anything. Launches into a big long speech, right through my closed side
window, his strategy apparently being that he'll quit talking as soon as I
give him some money. Right. I'm not even going to open the window for him.
Closest thing at hand was not the cellphone, but the microphone of my GM
factory CB radio. Picked it up and pretended to mutter Official Police Code
into it, and the look on this guy's face was electric: "Whoa, just _look_ 
at the time; gotta run!!!"  :-)

>OK, so, what DO you guys do with your old coolant???
>And, do you save ALL that stuff that you drain out, until it runs clear, or do
>you save the first 1/2 of the 50/50 mix, then flush the remaining stuffs away
>and if so to where?

What I can catch in a drain container goes to the local service station.
What comes out during backflushing goes down the drain along with _plenty_
of water from the hose; i.e. when I'm done working and cleaning up, there
are no green puddles lying around to poison the local animals.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:47:28 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car

At 10:15 AM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:

>
>The article covers pace cars from 1966 to the present; Oldsmobiles were
>also used in 1970 (442), 1972 (Hurst), 1974 (Hurst), 1985 (Calais "500")
>and 1988 (Cutlass Supreme).
>
>Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431

Thanks for taking the time to post that stuff!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:26:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Bruce D. Brumm wrote:

> I recall that the late-model (mid-80's) Toronado had a suspension 
> system which used a compressor to actively maintain a rear ride height 

Are you sure they were air-shocks and not air-springs?  My wife's Linc*ln 
has a similar system but they're air-springs (like a moving truck) with 
standard shocks.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:06:26 -0300
Subject: ooops

OK, so the FAQ says that I had previously found that E's do NOT
have hard seats...

I always claimed to not have a memory.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:06:56 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Meeting TONIGHT!

At 11:47 PM 5/9/96 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:54 AM 5/9/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>
>     Assuming 8:00 EST, what do people say to moving it to 8:30 EST in the 
>>     future.  That's 5:00 for us on the west coast, and most of us are 
>
>I'll second that concept. While I'm in EST (or eastern daylight, now), I 
>can't get on on Thursdays before 9:00 or maybe even a little later.
>
>
It has been changed -- to 8:30 EST.  Changed last night during the chat.
More of you folks should get in on that; it's a good time, and fun, too!

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:09:39 -0300
Subject: Re: am-fm stereo radio installation

At 12:46 AM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
> i am trying to install a am-fm stereo radio in my 69cutlass
>the system has two separate pieces . one is the radio and 
>the other is a stereo adapter. i have looked in my shop manual
>to find where the adapter is suppose to be installed but it does
>not show any diagram . If anyone could help me on this installation
>i would appreciate it.I need to know where the adapter is to be installed
>                                                Thanks 
>                                                     Chuck Lobrano
>
>
What is the stereo adapter adapting?  Does it plug into the factory harness?
How does it fit into the grand scheme of things?  More info needed...

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:20:41 -0300
Subject: Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies ( Was Re: Auto Humor)

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> ... I've seen Boston area drivers do things you would not believe.  

I suprised, Bob.  I would have thought you'd vote for Florida drivers!

Only place I've ever been where the Motor Vehicle Code is just a 
suggestion rather than a regulation:

- - Don't want to stop for a red light?  No problem.
- - Want to pull out in front of traffic?  Go ahead.  
- - Traffic backed up?  Drive down the median strip.
- - Speed limits?  Yeah, right.
- - Turn signals?  What are turn signals?  
And this includes the cops.

Then there's the Blue Hairs / Q-Tips / etc...


The 66 Toro and MIke


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Do I use the "C" or "E" Heads, etc.? 

Dave:

You're correct, there are no dumb questions.

If you look at the exhaust ports where the exhaust manifold/headers bolt up
you will note that the divider bewteen the two inner ports does not come all
the way out to the surface of the head.  This means that the flow from these
two exhaust ports can interfere with each other and reduce exhaust
efficiency.

I have never heard a satisfactory explanation of why the Olds heads are this
way. All of them I have ever seen or had described are this way.  Small
block, big bloke, "W" or whatever.

Anyway, several methods have been described to solve this problem including
welding up the header to fill the space.  Other more difficult ways are to
weld the head (not something I would like to try) and milling the surface
until the divider is flush and using a spacer to re-align the header to the
normal position.

Sorry if I am a little slow on answering posts this week.  A high school
friend I haven't seen in years is visiting tomorrow and just like the lady of
the house, I am cleaning up my space - the garage!

Bob

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Filters 

Be _very_ careful about using an oil filter that "looks" the same as another.

Even with identicle thread, gasket diamter, etc. you still don't know how the
bypass is routed.  If you try this, be sure to watch your oil pressure.  I've
tried such trades and _every_ time I have I get _no_ oil pressure. Put back
the correct oil filter and oil pressure returns.

I'm not saying you can't use a non-specified oil filter, just very very
careful.  You are dealing directly with the system most likely to destroy
your engine if it ain't right.

Bob Handren
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

The Olds 442's had the best reputation for handling of all the muscle cars.
 Part ot that reputation was earned because the 442's, from the factory, set
a little lower than the rest of the Cutlass line. This gives a lower center
of gravity which along with the relatively large front and rear anti-sway
bars made for a significantly better handling car.

In most cases the springs haven't sagged, the 442's were lower from the
factory.  Check your service manuals for ride height measurements and you
will note the differences listed there between standard and 442 suspensions. 

When my '67 was new, any significant weight in the trunk would cause the car
to ride so low that the driveshaft would hit the floor reinforcement just
behind the trans crossmember. That's because the factory still wanted that
"Olds" ride.  The springs were soft by today's standards as well as lower.

It is my belief that when you order replacement springs the manufacturer does
not likely make the multitude of springs GM originally used.  There were
different springs for big block vs small block, air vs no air, 4-door vs
2-door, etc.  You probably receive a "generic" spring in return.

In the early '70s the "hot setup" for front sptings in a GM "A" body were BB
El Camino with a/c.  They raised my '67 442 about an inch.

Bob Handren
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Air Shocks...was Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

In a message dated 96-05-10 12:08:28 EDT, you write:

>  My '84 H/O came with air shocks in the rear from the factory.  They 
>     were available as an option on most G-body Cutlasses.  Personally, I 
>     don't like the way they ride.  They offer a lot of support, and it's 
>     really neat to be able to level out the back when carrying a bunch of 
>     stuff, but they don't absorb shocks like a shock absorber is supposed 
>     to do. 

My experience also.  As a shock they are soft as hell and provide inadequate
ride control.

I use Air Lift bags in my cars and have for over 30 years.  They don't change
ride height, don't interfere with the shocks already on the car and by
adjusting the pressure will keep the car level over a wide range of weight.
The "new" "poly" bags are far, far more durable than the original rubber
models.  These same bags are used on everything from golf carts to
18-wheelers.

They're also excellent for drag racing where you can "load" the right side to
resist the action of the driveshaft lifting the right rear wheel off the
pavement.  Try 'em, you'll like 'em.

They are available from J.C. Whitney for most cars.

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory Cutlass low-riders? 

In a message dated 96-05-09 22:01:01 EDT, you write:

>
>What about those metal spring adjusters -- put them on one way, pulls the
>spring together, put them on the other way and it extends them.  Do these
>risk damaging the springs like the rubber spacers you're talking about?

NO, NO, NO!

Springs are alleged to have broken using those things!  They at least make
the car ride like a brick.  They immobilize two coils.  The rest are over
loaded taking up the job.

Buy new springs.  Visit your local GM and get a GM Restoration Parts catalog.
 This catalog contains listings of all the parts available and gives the
addresses of the manufacturers.  I believe the spring mfr is Eaton.  Ask them
which spring to use.

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:43:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

I believe all OCA members now receive Olds Today.

It appears to be part of Olds Division's awakening to the fact that just
because we own older cars doesn't mean we aren't interested in new cars.
 They are trying to re-ignite brand name loyalty in a crowd already,
apparently, predisposed to things Olds. They ignored us for a long time.

For myself, the poor quality cars of the late 70's early 80's discouraged my
pruchase of another new Olds.  The last one was an '84 88 Royale Brougham.
 Couldn't get out of it's own way, lousy fuel mileage, things falling off,
poor dealer support, etc.

Apologies to those now collecting that era car.  The problem was quality
control, not inherent quality problems (in most cases).  If you got a good
one, great. I didn't for several purchases over a 5 year period.

Things are definitely better now and the factory seems to care again.  Going
through some papers I found a letter to me from Dale Smith at Olds in 1972.
 He was the engineer responsible for the "W-*" programs.  In short, he sent
me some parts under the table to help out an Olds drag racer with no sponsor
support. Don't know how common that was in the 80's cause I wasn't racing
then.  But the rest of the indicators were of a factory that was only
intersted in selling product today. To hell with the future.

Like I said, from my perspective things are better at Olds now than over the
last 15 years.  Next car I buy I will give Olds a hard look.

Bob Handren
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:39:56 -0300
Subject: Re: am-fm stereo radio installation 

>> i am trying to install a am-fm stereo radio in my 69cutlass
>>the system has two separate pieces . one is the radio and 
>>the other is a stereo adapter. [...]
>>
>What is the stereo adapter adapting?  Does it plug into the factory harness?
>How does it fit into the grand scheme of things?  More info needed...

Was it some sort of a two-piece setup required due to space problems?
When I look at the size of the chassis for even a simple AM radio from
that era... well, if an AM/FM stereo required much more circuitry, I don't
know where they'd find the room to jam it all in, not to mention worry
about getting it so tightly packed that it all overheats...?

Have you got any wiring to connect the two pieces? If it's intact I guess
it's pretty obvious that the "adapter" part would have to be positioned
somewhere within the range of the harness wires coming out of the radio,
but if it's been cut or is missing altogether, all bets are off; they
could have been installing the thing in the trunk for all the difference
it makes.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:14:35 -0300
Subject: Olds Pace Cars...was  Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car

> "Jim Garner returned to the driver's seat in '77. He also raced a specially-
> designed four-wheel-drive Olds Cutlass that year in several major off-road
> events."
> 
> The article covers pace cars from 1966 to the present; Oldsmobiles were
> also used in 1970 (442), 1972 (Hurst), 1974 (Hurst), 1985 (Calais "500")
> and 1988 (Cutlass Supreme).
> 

	And of course, you can't forget the 1960 98 pace car :)

				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:25:29 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: misc. stuffs 

     My coolant gets collected into 10-gallon plastic containers (used for 
     industrial solvents, etc.  I get 'em free).  Then it goes out to the 
     waste-to-energy plant, they'll take hazardous household waste for 
     free.  10 gal is about the limit you can get away with at one time.  
     The trace amounts that I can't catch do get washed into the 
     environment, but with plenty of water.
     
     If you don't have such a place, and if you have a sewer system (not a 
     septic) then most places will tell you to actually flush it down the 
     toilet (roadside storm drain won't work usually).  The sewage 
     treatment system that the city uses will break down the antifreeze.  
     Some of the microbes they use actually like the stuff, I guess.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: misc. stuffs
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    5/10/96 12:24 PM

>OK, so, what DO you guys do with your old coolant???
>And, do you save ALL that stuff that you drain out, until it runs clear, or do 
>you save the first 1/2 of the 50/50 mix, then flush the remaining stuffs away 
>and if so to where?
     
What I can catch in a drain container goes to the local service station. 
What comes out during backflushing goes down the drain along with _plenty_ 
of water from the hose; i.e. when I'm done working and cleaning up, there 
are no green puddles lying around to poison the local animals.
     

------------------------------

From: ggreen@ftn.net (Gary Green)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:59:00 -0300
Subject: IRC Meeting  

I blundered my way through to the On-line meeting the other night.  However,
after only one line of text, I got turfed off the server.  Didn't even say
any bad words, like Che*y or such.  In any case, I could not find my back on
again.

How about posting IRC instructions for those of us who are unfamiliar with
the IRC network.

I think I typed

/server sunrise.ca.us.another.org

got about 3 screenfuls of notes

then typed

/join #oldsmobile

is this correct?

Thanks
Gary Green

BTW lots of talk about air shocks etc lately.  My 85 Toronado has automatic
level control.  I haven't investigated it, but think it is automatic air
shocks in rear.  Will look it up in the manual if there is any interest.

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 21:01:35 -0300
Subject: Wirehead on stereo adapters

> What is the stereo adapter adapting?
> How does it fit into the grand scheme of things?		
FM Stereo was required by the FCC to be compatible with the existing FM 
mono receivers of the day.  Therefore ALL FM radios would receive the 
stereo signal but only the new FM stereo radios had the additional 
electronics to decode the stereo compoment.
 
As a retrofit to the existing FM mono radios, there was a lot of 
aftermarket "stereo adapters" produced that could add the additional 
decoding circuits to an older mono radio giving stereo without having to 
replace the old radio.

Sorry I can't help with the installation, but there was a million 
variations.


The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: jblair@exis.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:54:05 -0300
Subject: Re: SX questions 

>Today I ran across a chance to buy for dirt cheap a basket case 70 
>Cutlass Supreme SX.  It will come with the original engine but no trans, 
>driveshaft, or rear end.  The factory front disc brakes will be replaced 
>with run of the mill drum units.  "rusted out" sums up the body pretty 
>well.  The firewall and most major sheetmetal is rusted through.  Now the 
>questions:
>
>1) What are the specifics of the engines in these cars? (This appears to 
>be a 4-barrel model)
>
>2) What is such a car worth in that condition?
>
>3) Anyone have a clue as to production figures, my Year One says "???" 
>for all models? (Only figure I've heard, which I have taken with a large 
>grain of salt, is 1 of 100 built.)
>
>This car was owned by one family until probably around 1990 then given to 
>a friend who stacked a 125hp nitrous plate, TH-350, Chevy 12-bolt w/ 4.10 
>gears and proceeded to run 12.50's on slicks with the 130,000 mile engine 
>using the stock Q-jet.  Now this car is going to be mine and I am 
>probably going to use the engine in my project Cutlass until my "built" 
>motor comes out of the shop.  I was thinking about donating the shell 
>sans drivetrain to a local classic car restorer, is this a good idea?
>
The production total floating around out there is suppose 
to be 1025 W-32's built.

Jim Chermack





>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
> revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
> information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
> Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
> been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

The one with the most toys, wins!

------------------------------

From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:59:52 -0300
Subject: What do ya think? 

I recently sent some information along with three (3) scanned pictures of my
'38 Olds - Street Rod to 'Bryceman' and he's now added them to his home
page.  He did a great job and if you like to go there and take a peek at it,
I would appreciate your comments.

The Bryceman's page can be found at:  http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds


____________________________________________________
S.G. Hartfelder         '38 Oldsmobile Street Rod
Edmonton, AB  CANADA    '76 Camaro
stanh@compusmart.ab.ca

"You can get a great reputation for wisdom just by
telling people what they already know"
____________________________________________________

------------------------------

From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:04:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Filters 

In a message dated 96-05-10 15:50:16 EDT, you write:

>Be _very_ careful about using an oil filter that "looks" the same as
another.
>
>Even with identicle thread, gasket diamter, etc. you still don't know how
the
>bypass is routed.

Bob,

I was wondering when someone was going to get aroung to this point! Very
valid one indeed!

Good job Bob!

Greg K

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:08:41 -0300
Subject: Re: What do ya think?

On Fri, 10 May 1996, SG Hartfelder wrote:

> I recently sent some information along with three (3) scanned pictures of my
> '38 Olds - Street Rod to 'Bryceman' and he's now added them to his home
> page.  He did a great job and if you like to go there and take a peek at it,
> I would appreciate your comments.
> 
> The Bryceman's page can be found at:  http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds

Yeah, Stan, I went and looked at the pics of your '38 and it looks great. 
Neat car, must be a load of fun to drive.

Now, like I said before, if you could only do something about that engine...

;)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:16:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Filters

On Fri, 10 May 1996 Toronado66@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 96-05-10 15:50:16 EDT, you write:
> >Be _very_ careful about using an oil filter that "looks" the same as
> another.
> >Even with identicle thread, gasket diamter, etc. you still don't know how
> the
> >bypass is routed.
> 
> I was wondering when someone was going to get aroung to this point! Very
> valid one indeed!

Next time I'm in a parts store I should look up the AC oil filter for the 
non-turbo version of that Pontiac engine in question. If it's a PF-24 one 
would logically conclude that the bypass, etc. for the turbo version 
would be the same.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
<Trying to gracefully recover from what may be a harebrained idea>

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:20:36 -0300
Subject: List Welcome Message & Policy

Since I posted the proposed new intro message last week with the 
guidelines re. posting, etc., I have had only a few responses, but all of 
them were positive. I have updated the intro message with the new text 
and new members should be receiving it now.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:21:57 -0300
Subject: Re: What do ya think? 

>> The Bryceman's page can be found at:  http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds

Yeah, I guess you could get to the Olds Page that way if you *Wanted* to...
I like  www.442.com  better.

Hartfelders car is **too** cool, even with a sheby engine. A chromed out
supercharged 455 sticking up from behind that chrome grill wouldn't suck
though.



 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

------------------------------

From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:23:01 -0300
Subject: Supergharger Mfg. 

Does anyone know who sill makes a Rootes type supercharger for an Olds big
block?


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 18:26:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Supergharger Mfg. 

>Does anyone know who sill makes a Rootes type supercharger for an Olds big
>block?

Not sure what defines a Rootes-type, but Eaton is the company making 
superchargers for GM these days, if that helps.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:38:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Supergharger Mfg.

On Fri, 10 May 1996, Bryceman wrote:

> Does anyone know who sill makes a Rootes type supercharger for an Olds big
> block?

Does this mean you're thinking of dropping one into the Apprehender?

This sounds ominous... the mind boggles with the thought.

:)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:46:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Visiting Detroit

>I was wondering about this also... how long a drive is it from Metro 
>Airport in Detroit to Lansing? I guess I'm looking at a rental car and 
>not a cab ride, right?


Metro Airport to Lansing has got to be at least an hour and a half ride. 
I would, for planning purposes, figure on two hours...

Yes, you will be needing a Oldsmobile Rental car.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup.
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:56:33 -0300
Subject: Re: GTOs and 'Olds' Ladies ( Was Re: Auto Humor)

At 07:20 PM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Only place I've ever been where the Motor Vehicle Code is just a 
>suggestion rather than a regulation:
>
>- Don't want to stop for a red light?  No problem.
>- Want to pull out in front of traffic?  Go ahead.  
>- Traffic backed up?  Drive down the median strip.
>- Speed limits?  Yeah, right.
>- Turn signals?  What are turn signals?  


Most of this stuff is because this is where the old people who used to live
and drive up north come to retire!  Now they drive down here, and it's not
just New York drivers, or Boston drivers.  No, it's drivers from _all over_
the north.  Mix all those different bad driving habits together, and what do
you get? 
"Damn Florida drivers!"  ;)



- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:02:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Do I use the "C" or "E" Heads, etc.?

At 04:43 PM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Dave:
>
>You're correct, there are no dumb questions.
>
>If you look at the exhaust ports where the exhaust manifold/headers bolt up
>you will note that the divider bewteen the two inner ports does not come all
>the way out to the surface of the head. 

How far below the surface of the head is the divider?  Thousandths of an
inch?  Hundredths?  I know the center exhaust ports on the stock manifold
are siamesed; didn't pay too much attention to the construction of the head
in that area, however.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:10:03 -0300
Subject: Re: am-fm stereo radio installation

At 03:39 PM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>> i am trying to install a am-fm stereo radio in my 69cutlass
>>>the system has two separate pieces . one is the radio and 
>>>the other is a stereo adapter. [...]
>>>
>>What is the stereo adapter adapting?  Does it plug into the factory harness?
>>How does it fit into the grand scheme of things?  More info needed...
>
>Was it some sort of a two-piece setup required due to space problems?
>When I look at the size of the chassis for even a simple AM radio from
>that era... well, if an AM/FM stereo required much more circuitry,

Well, the factory AM radio in my 69 is (was) HUGE.  I still have it, and
want to re-install it someday; just need the dash mounting plate for it, as
mine is chopped up for the new stereo in there now.  No problems fitting an
aftermarket (Pioneer) AM/FM Cassette unit in there.  Since I had no rear
speakers, I had to wire them myself.  Also wired for two front speakers.
Didn't use in-dash speaker.  BTW, my front speakers are sitting on the front
floorboards -- where is a good place to install them, without cutting to
much metal or interior panel up?  Don't have a clue as to what a "stereo
adapter" is, though...  
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:13:52 -0300
Subject: oxidation

Need to know a way to easily (ha!) remove oxidation.  Does one exist?  I've
tried polishing compound, and while it does work, it is quite tiring and
time consuming.  Just fishing around to see if anybody knows an easier way.
Of course, if I had just taken proper care of it in the first place...

Thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 20:12:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Supergharger Mfg. 

(supercharger)
>Does this mean you're thinking of dropping one into the Apprehender?
>
>This sounds ominous... the mind boggles with the thought.

:) OK, you asked for it so here goes...
Actually I have always wanted a jet boat but just couldnt justify laying
out $10k plus. I really didnt want one just "ready to drop in the water and
go".
I want to put it together myself, Olds powered of course, paint it my way
and add all of my own little touches/features... Like using a console from
an Olds with Hurst shifters for throttle and thrust controls. Olds bucket
seats with all of the gauges built into an Olds dashboard for the cockpit.
Olds steering wheel with working horn buttons connected to the marine
horns.
So what I wanted was a jetboat hull with blown motor or no motor I could
buy for peanuts and put together over time, ending up with an Aquatic
Oldsmobile I could pull behind the Apprehender. After years of searching I
found just that. It is bigger than I wanted but I have decided thats OK. It
is a 21' Hondo with a very sound hull, no engine, motor mounts are there,
Jet is good and the thing comes with a competition trailer. It was powered
by a big block shebby but the owner pulled it out when the engine got
"tired". In my opinion a shebby big block is tired to start with.
So I originally wanted to build one of Joe M's 493 strokers but have
decided since I would probably be able to build a supercharged engine for
less money and have somewhat better performance and undoubtedly better
visual effect.
Correct me if I am wrong, but all I really need is a 425/455 with a bullet
proof bottom end, a blower cam, minimal head work topped off with a
supercharger.
So that's my ideal vision of boating. Anyone care to comment?

I would also like to solicit the list for names I could paint on the stern.
So far I have come up with a few, but they're kind of dorky I guess. One
example is "Oldsmobubble" because some of my buddies used to call my
full-size Olds Land Yachts Oldsmobubbles. Any suggestions on a name for the
craft would be greatly appreciated.


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 20:56:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Supergharger Mfg.

At 08:12 PM 5/10/96 -0300, you wrote:

>So that's my ideal vision of boating. Anyone care to comment?

AWESOME!!

>I would also like to solicit the list for names I could paint on the stern.
>So far I have come up with a few, but they're kind of dorky I guess. One
>example is "Oldsmobubble" because some of my buddies used to call my
>full-size Olds Land Yachts Oldsmobubbles. Any suggestions on a name for the
>craft would be greatly appreciated.

How about OldsmoPOWER
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:02:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Supergharger Mfg.

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know who sill makes a Rootes type supercharger...

You mean the front (crank) mounted type?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:05:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Wirehead on stereo adapters

Mike Frederick wrote:
Just remembered one other small detail: The method used to add stereo to 
the mono signal is called "multiplexing".  SO ... the jacks for hooking 
up the adapter were often marked "MPX"

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:45:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

In a message dated 96-05-10 10:13:28 EDT, you write:

> Is anybody else getting this paper?

Yes.  As mentioned elsewhere, don't know for how long though.  Maybe we
should all start a letter-writing campaign and see if they'll offer us
subsciptions after the Centennial is over.  I'd pay for a subscription, would
you?
>     
>     The May issue contains a front page article on a new Virtual Showroom 
>     CD-ROM...

Can hardly stand the wait.  I was hoping they'd have a phone # right in the
article.
>     
>     Also of interest, the paper mentions that the RE Olds Transportation 
>     Museum is offering "45 years of Olds Advertising" on VHS tape.

Have had these for a few years.  They're great.  Highly recommend.  Watch
them all the time when there's nothing better on TV.  Warning!: You'll NEVER
get that "Merry Oldsmobile" tune out you head.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:45:19 -0300
Subject: Re: am-fm stereo radio installation 

In a message dated 96-05-10 15:51:02 EDT, you write:

>>> i am trying to install a am-fm stereo radio in my 69cutlass
>>>the system has two separate pieces . one is the radio and 
>>>the other is a stereo adapter. [...]
>>>

OK, don't know for sure how the heck this thing fits into your Cutlass, but
here's how it fits into my '67 98.  The adapter stands on end (like a cereal
box) and is positioned to the left (facing the dash) of the glove compartment
box, between the box and the instrument panel brace.  There is a bracket
attached to the adapter.  This bracket gets bolted to the brace.  Removing
the box will make this a whole lot easier.  My stereo was dealer installed
and they just bolted it to the bottom of the dash & painted it black.  When I
went to install it the correct way, the holes where pre-drilled in the brace.
 The wire coming out of the adapter should have a plug on the end that looks
like the bottom of an old radio tube.  This gets plugged into the socket on
the back of the radio.  Now you should be wired for sound.  They used this
system in '70 and '71 also.  Underneath of dash should be roughly the same.
 Maybe one of these service manuals would give you a better idea.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 22:45:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Pace Cars...was Re: '77 Delta 88 Pace Car 

In a message dated 96-05-10 16:18:12 EDT, you write:

>	And of course, you can't forget the 1960 98 pace car :)

Or the very first rocket, the '49 pace car with the big rockets mounted on
the front fenders pouring out vapor as they drove.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:59:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today

Jeff Easton wrote:
> 
>      Is anybody else getting this paper?  I started receiving it a 
>      The May issue contains a front page article on a new Virtual Showroom
>      CD-ROM they will be promoting in June.  An insert in six magazines
>      including Forbes, Business Week, Byte, PC Computing will offer a free
>      CD-ROM that has a product lineup of Olds cars, interactive
>      demonstrations, quicktime movies and a street atlas.
> 
>      Also of interest, the paper mentions that the RE Olds Transportation
>      Museum is offering "45 years of Olds Advertising" on VHS tape.  Each
>      tape is $19.95 and they are split into three tapes, with ads covering
>      1948-1960, 1961-1974, and 1975-1992.  Call (517) 372-0529.
> 
>      The front page has a sidebar with a survey of "Who's on the Net".  One
>      item says 72% of the net people surveyed made purchases based on
>      information obtained on-line.  Now if they'd only wake up and finish
>      their own web site... :-)
> 
>      -Jeff Easton
>      Zenith Data Systems
> 
>      1970 442  4-Speed

I got one of the virtual showroom CD ROMs from pontiac and it is very 
good.  You can sure have fun with it with the 3-D features, opening & 
closing doors & hatches, changing colors, working air-conditioning, 
instruments, & great sound starting up a Trans Am.

I hope that Olds will do the same.  Just access www.gm.com for the 
Pontiac e-mail request on the CD ROM that they offer free.

Bill

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