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oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, 28 February 1996    Volume 01 : Number 104


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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:56:08 -0400
Subject: Re: 66 Toronado questions

>I might just be the biggest sentimental sucker for the 66 Toro out here in
>Olds-land.

[yada, yada, yada...]

>Is it worth it??  ONLY to me.

That was great! That summarizes real well why I _really_ need to find a barn
for my '82 Supreme, or somebody here who will buy it from me, but sell it
back to me a few years from now when I come to my senses again. Any takers?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:35:59 -0400
Subject: Cutlass Overhead Console Details -- Bad News

A followup for those people who'd Emailed me about my reference to
an aftermarket console on the web page about my car. It's a molded
plastic job with a chrome gooseneck maplight down the middle, a
dome light at the back end, and two illuminated rocker switches,
one on either side of the map light.

Bad news: I finally got back to the store where I bought it in 1988,
and (this may be some sort of record) talked to the guy who actually
sold it to me back then -- he still works there! As a career move,
this may be a bad choice, but the job satisfaction is probably high. :-)
Anyway, the British company that made it had gone out of business
_before_ I bought it, so by now I may have the last surviving example
in North America. Too bad, because it's perfect for the A-bodies with
T-tops: its width is the same as the phony stitching running down the
center bar, and the radius of the front corners is the same as the
radius of the "stitching" where it terminates across the front. But
it looks like we're SOL for future sales of the thing.

Bryce, maybe you can hotlink this followup off the word "console" on
my web page...?

Andrew C. Green
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:45:01 -0400
Subject: RE: Wanted: xst manifold

I've been trying to track a passenger side dual exhaust manifold down
for my '72 98....does anyone know if they have larger outlets than the
single exhaust manifolds? I want at least 2.25 otherwise I might as well
try to find some headers.

Dan Dale
'72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Hearse (not Hurst)
'66 GTO

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:40:18 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Wanted: xst manifold

I'm pretty sure single and dual exhaust manifolds are the same.  I do
know that the 350 uses the identical manifolds.  The opening for the
cross over pipe is simply capped off.

Joe Padavano
jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

I've been trying to track a passenger side dual exhaust manifold down
for my '72 98....does anyone know if they have larger outlets than the
single exhaust manifolds? I want at least 2.25 otherwise I might as well
try to find some headers.

Dan Dale
'72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Hearse (not Hurst)
'66 GTO


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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:22:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust question

Agreed. I had Hookers for my smallblock and they worked just fine but
when I started using my current bigblock with Cyclones, the welds around
the tubes at the mounting flanges started to crack and leak.

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:26:27 -0400
Subject: Re: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

If it helps any, through some friends I got a 71 Supreme for 400 dollars,
running and mostly complete, and my friend got a 72 Supreme for 700
dollars, which was extremely complete, with a number options, even SSI
rims (full set of 5).  It breaks my heart but he sold it later for 900
dollars to some gangster wannabes who turned it into a lowrider, took off
the SSI's and put on some reversed-offset wire rims, and promptly
rear-ended someone.  I'd say though in my area these cars mostly go for
1000 and up.

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:29:11 -0400
Subject: Re: HO 307

I believe Precision Speed is DAve Smith's old shop.  I assume now Dave
Smith Engineering is taking their calls.

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:41:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: TH700-R4 4-speed automatic

Far as I know, it would not work because Chevies are internally balanced
and Oldses are externally balanced.

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From: lawrencr@gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:02:01 -0400
Subject: Re: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

> From oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca Tue Feb 27 16:38 EST 1996
> Date: 	Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:26:27 -0400
> From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
> To: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> Cc: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> dollars to some gangster wannabes who turned it into a lowrider, took off
> the SSI's and put on some reversed-offset wire rims, and promptly
> rear-ended someone.  I'd say though in my area these cars mostly go for
> 1000 and up.

I know this has nothing to do with Olds, but could someone explain to me
the purpose of that reversed-offset rim thing.  Near as I can tell, it
just makes something like a Honda Accord five times uglier that it already
is.

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:53:06 -0400
Subject: Re: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

Well basically, as far as I can tell, it's to get as much chrome onto the
rim as possible.  On domestic RWD cars, which typically have much deeper
wells, the reverse-offset rim "tucks" just fine (especially on cars such
as Impalas, which have DEEEEP wells).  It's just part of the traditional
lowrider style.  Now chumpy dudes who want to lowride their new spanking
Hondas and other imports, which have no style inherent in them, have
trouble tucking reverse offset rims because these cars are front wheel
drive and have very shallow wells.  Not to mention their unibody
construction which does not stand up well at all to the rigors of
lowriding and especially hydraulic suspensions.

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:27:12 -0400
Subject: T-3 Headlights

Something posessed me to take a look at the stack of old car magazines, and on
top I found the September 94 issue of "MuscleCars".  The first interesting
thing I found was an ad in the Muscle Parts section (pg. 14) for T-3
headlights:

"ENLIGHTENING EXPERIENCE"
Performance Years now stocks correct, original-style T-3 headlamps used on all
GM cars from 1956-67.  They're correct down to the T-3 logo.  Prices range
from $89-$99 per set of four. Performance Years, Inc., 320 Elm Ave., Dept.
MC994, North Wales, PA 19454; 800-542-7278.

I have no idea if they're still there; what might be more interesting to the
list is the line drawing of the three different styles following the text of
the ad.  I'll do my best to describe it.  Style 1, (1956-57), is somewhat
larger and came in pairs.  The triangle with the large T and smaller T-3 is
there, at the top of the lamp, in small letters, is the word "TOP".  At the
bottom, in somewhat larger letter and going straight across (as opposed to
curving with the bottom of the lamp), are the words "SEALED BEAM".

Style 2, labeled 1958-59, came in a 4-pc. set and appear somewhat smaller than
their predecessors.  Just above the triangle (which "points" downward on all
these lamps) is the word "GUIDE".  At the top of the lamp is an outline-style
(I assume this to represent raised lettering formed from the glass) numeral
"2" (Don't know if it's a "2" for all 2nd-gen lamps or if it could be any
number).  At the bottom, the words "SEALED BEAM" follow the curve of the
bottom of the lamp.

Style 3 is labelled 1960-67, 4 pc. set.  2 differences are apparent in the
drawing from the 58-59 lamps: the number at the top is a "1", and the word
"GUIDE" has moved from over top of the triangle to above the "SEALED BEAM" at
the bottom.  "GUIDE" is also printed somewhat larger than in the previous
lamps.  It is still printed straight, i.e., it does not follow the curve like
the words "SEALED BEAM" do.

Well, there's two other things in this magazine that I found MUCH more
interesting, but I'll put them in another post:  Part 2 of an interview with
the man, Doc Watson (joy!)  and a nice 1-pager on the 76-77 442.  Oh, and
apparently their march '94 issue had a special feature on 442's, there was a
letter praising the article from a guy in Winnipeg with a '65 F-85, w/a
330/4V.  He was restoring and getting ready to ditch the Jetaway for a 3 or
4-speed auto.  (They reccommended a THM 350 or a 200-R4, depending on
funding.)  Lessee...Ian Melnychuk, you on the list?

Anyway, hope the headlight stuff helps, remember, that's just from the picture
that went with the ad, not any actual research or experience on my part.  If
somebody already spread enlightenment on this subject, sorry, I'm on digest
mode! :-)

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re[3]: Tranny swap?

Yeah, I bought the same with the intent of learning something techy about the
A8.  Nothing but chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, Aurora & 502 chevy
next month, chevy, chevy, chevy, pontiac, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, mopar,
chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, and did I mention chevy?

I thought Car (formally chevy) Craft was bad, but amid their over use of
"cool", I like CC much more!  I hate to bet on this, but I bet HR's coverage
of the A8 will be no more than one page, or maybe just an insert.  HR's
response to a letter about "How about more BOPC, and others" solidified my
decision whether to subscribe or not.  NOT!.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: Tranny swap? Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at Interlink Date:    2/26/96 12:04 PM



     Is that the new Hot Rod with the "3000 HP, New Crate Engines!" on the
     cover?  If so, I'd like to mention to people here to save your money
     and not buy it.  There's a wonderful picture of an Aurora V8 on the
     cover, which is why I bought the magazine (wanted to read about it)
     and not ONE WORD about the Aurora V8 on the inside.  Just Chevy,
     Chevy, Chevy.  I think they even set a new record for themselves, I
     didn't see one non-chevy article in the whole mag.  At one point I had
     to double check the cover to make sure it wasn't Super Chevy. . .

     Tom.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: RE:Tranny swap? Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/26/96 8:24 AM

     BTW...picked up the Hot Rod? "engines annual edition" that has a
     pretty good overview of an 800$ performance 350 [Chevy;)]rebuild that
     ended up giving just over 300 HP when finished. I don't really know
     how  Olds and Chev 350's compare(parts compatibility) but it gives a
     pretty good idea of what kind of performance a guy can get with less
     than a grand.


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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:37:15 -0400
Subject: Re: (no subject)

>>And while you're reading that Hemmings, look for an ad from a company called
>>"Just Dashes".  They'll redo your original in any color you wish...
>
>That sounds familiar; I _think_ that was the outfit that redid the dash
>pad on the Cars & Parts '64 Corvette restoration. Full photo article on
>the process; it was impressive. They use the old core as a pattern and
>vacuum-form the new material over it.

Yep, that sounds like them, or at least the process they use.  I recall
seeing a write-up on them in Muscle Car Review (or Classics or whatever they
call the magazine).


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:44:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[3]: Tranny swap?

I don't know if its just me or is Hot Rod a boring magazine. There tech
articals are very superficial and they concentrate almost all thier efforts
on the fastest street car competion and/or pre-50 cars. I guess they really
want to live up to the "Rod" in their name but I seem to remeber not long
ago they covered a greater variety of cars. I think Gray Baskerville is
getting old and reminising too much.  Oh Yeah and the bikes give me a break
I thought the trend to Hot Rodding was to improve something old with
something new not just paint and chrome everything without upgrading the
performance at all.
>
>Yeah, I bought the same with the intent of learning something techy about the
 >A8.  Nothing but chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, Aurora & 502
chevy >next month, chevy, chevy, chevy, pontiac, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy,
mopar, >chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, and did I mention chevy? > >I thought Car
(formally chevy) Craft was bad, but amid their over use of "cool", >I like CC
much more!  I hate to bet on this, but I bet HR's coverage of the A8 >will be
no more than one page, or maybe just an insert.  HR's response to a >letter
about "How about more BOPC, and others" solidified my decision whether to
>subscribe or not.  NOT!. > >David Brown >dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
(312) 702-9157 >"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s" >
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ >Subject: Re[2]: Tranny swap? >Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at Interlink >Date:    2/26/96 12:04 PM > > > >
Is that the new Hot Rod with the "3000 HP, New Crate Engines!" on the >
cover?  If so, I'd like to mention to people here to save your money >
and not buy it.  There's a wonderful picture of an Aurora V8 on the >
cover, which is why I bought the magazine (wanted to read about it) >     and
not ONE WORD about the Aurora V8 on the inside.  Just Chevy, >     Chevy,
Chevy.  I think they even set a new record for themselves, I >     didn't see
one non-chevy article in the whole mag.  At one point I had >     to double
check the cover to make sure it wasn't Super Chevy. . . > >     Tom. >
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ >Subject: RE:Tranny swap? >Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET >Date:    2/26/96 8:24 AM > >
BTW...picked up the Hot Rod? "engines annual edition" that has a >     pretty
good overview of an 800$ performance 350 [Chevy;)]rebuild that >     ended up
giving just over 300 HP when finished. I don't really know >     how  Olds
and Chev 350's compare(parts compatibility) but it gives a >     pretty good
idea of what kind of performance a guy can get with less >     than a grand. >
 > > > > >

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:13:49 -0400
Subject: Re:   66 Toronado questions

>
>Just for comparison, I paid $1500 for my 66 Toro
>about 6 years ago in Harrisburg, PA
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, cool...my hometown, and I missed that one?!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:12:23 -0400
Subject: Re:   66 Toronado questions

>Okay, It was 79,000 miles on it. I looked at it as myself 20 feet away
>from that car looks like neat car except thick dust on that car when I
>walked close.  everything was on it like window power, I just send my
>letter to that man who owns that car about my offer and I will see what
>happening.. That car was belong to his mother and always in the garage
>for many years until her death and it's still in the garage.  I think
>that 3500 dollars is very reasonable..  I will let you know about
>update..  Thanks.


Sounds like it's been sitting for awhile...is it leaking tranny fluid?  Most
of them do! I'd offer him $2K and see what he says...


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:10:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[3]: Tranny swap?

I'm starting to feel the same way about Hot Rod myself. They used to have
interesting articles that the average guy could put to use at home, but now
most of their coverage is just fluff that is mainly good for pinups on the
garage wall of the bedroom of 10 year olds.  not to mention, they are entirely
too enamoured with gray baskerville, sure the guy has accomplished alot, but
they act like he is a cross between a hero and their grandfather.

sorry, I'm just getting sick of hot rod and my subscription was too cheap to
be worth cancelling.

Dan Dale
'72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Hearse (not Hurst)

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:17:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 66 Toronado questions

>Is it worth it??  ONLY to me.  With what I paid for it, the storage, the
>hauling... its absolutely absurd to any RATIONAL onlooker!
>Anyone considering a '66??  My advise is that if you have a passion for it,
>and only if you do, then go for it.
>There was a lot of history in that car and it's been all but forgotten.  It
>was GM's answer to the French engineers who said that the Citroen was the
>maximum that you could get out of a Front Wheel Drive vehicle.  I've owned
>both and would take the Toro anyday..

Cheers, cheers...bravo!  Couldn't have said it better myself!  Bottom line -
if you have the passion for it, it doesn't matter what it is or really how
much it might be.  If it's what trips your trigger, go for it!  Hey, wanna
sell that '66?!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:24:13 -0400
Subject: Wanted: Olds Daily Driver

I am in the market for a Oldsmobile...

A daily driver is what I need, solid body in good running condition. I
am interested in practically anything. The sole purpose is to put a lot
of miles on it and get back and forth to work. What better way to do
that than with a Olds? I am especially partial to 68/72 Vista
Cruisers...

I am willing to pay up to $2000...

Maybe I'm dreaming for that price, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Looking forward to owning three Oldsmobiles at one time! Selling my
1994 GMC Sonoma to get rid of a vehicle payment.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Michael R. Hall               Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:23:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Main bearing cap bolts

When I rebuilt my 455 mine stretched too. Everything was done, so not to
throwoff the Alignbore,Etc per my machinists recomendation. So I went to my
Olds dealer and ordered new ones. Might be cheap insurance.

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, GLENN CONNORS wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if the main bearing cap bolts in a 455ci. are the
> same as the small block 307ci.  It seams that a couple of the cap
> bolts for my 455ci. are stretched. Actually I thought they had
> bottomed out when I was tightening them up to seat the crank before I
> was to plastic-guage them.  I retapped the block and still had a
> great deal of resistance so I ran the bolts through a die and they
> ran in a little easier. I'm not real comfortable with that so I
> figured I better change them out.  I have access to a junk 307ci. and
> wondered if they were the same bolt.  Any ideas?
>
> Glenn
> '69 4-4-2
>
>
>

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:34:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Alternator/Booster detailing??

I had Steve Gregory in Sanger, CA(near Fresno) do my Disc Brake shields
and brackets for about $40. Considering what I gave him they came back
nothing short of fantastic!  I'm planning to send my booster and hood
hinges to him just haven't got to it yet! He is well recommended by many
national musclecar guys including me.

I marked my parts with an engraver, all the right parts came back with my
initials.

Contact Steve Gregory 262 Post St. Sanger, CA 93657 PH (209)875-0290

He advertises in many JWOs

Later Jeff

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 KPL442@aol.com wrote:

> hey jeff,
> long time no e-,eh?
>
> i've been on the subject of components, date codes and especially
> plating lately.  I do have the correct coded alternator for my '70 Cutlass
> but it looks like hell. I'll call your friend to see about having it redone
> but what is the correct plating?
> My bigger concerns right now are getting the pwr brake booster and the
> hood hinges plated correctly.
> the booster, I believe, should be Zinc Dichromate, (aka gold irridite??).
> I've found several places out of state that will rebuild & replate, but they
> are somewhat expensive ($125-$150) and they take approx. 2 weeks.
>  I may go with "Booster Dewey" in Oregon.  Does anyone have any
> experience with this guy??
> Jeff, do you know anyplace more local?
> I have seen many, many cars that have the booster just painted.  I
> would prefer to be correct/orginal if I can, especially on such a
> prominent piece under the hood.
> The hood hinges are done in Zinc Phosphate.  My originals cleaned
> up very nicely and are almost usable, but have several unsightly
> scratches.  The only place local (Oakland) that does zinc phosphate
> wouldn't do car parts - for some reason I could'nt quite understand
> over the phone - undecipherable foreign accent combined with no
> logic.  I have also seen many (most) of these just painted on show cars.
> Probably cause its tough to find someone to do it.
> Any help??
> Thanks.
> Kevin
> kpl442@aol.com
>
> p.s.  Jeff how's the '69 H/O?  My Pace car is inching its way to completion.
> Hopefully done in 2-3 weeks.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:52:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[3]: Tranny swap?

>I don't know if its just me or is Hot Rod a boring magazine. There tech
>articals are very superficial and they concentrate almost all thier efforts
>on the fastest street car competion and/or pre-50 cars. I guess they really
>want to live up to the "Rod" in their name but I seem to remeber not long
>ago they covered a greater variety of cars. I think Gray Baskerville is
>getting old and reminising too much.  Oh Yeah and the bikes give me a break
>I thought the trend to Hot Rodding was to improve something old with
>something new not just paint and chrome everything without upgrading the
>performance at all.
>>
>>Yeah, I bought the same with the intent of learning something techy about
the >>A8.  Nothing but chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, Aurora & 502
chevy >>next month, chevy, chevy, chevy, pontiac, chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy,
mopar, >>chevy, chevy, chevy, chevy, and did I mention chevy? >> >>I thought
Car (formally chevy) Craft was bad, but amid their over use of >"cool", >>I
like CC much more!  I hate to bet on this, but I bet HR's coverage of the A8
>>will be no more than one page, or maybe just an insert.  HR's response to a
>>letter about "How about more BOPC, and others" solidified my decision
>whether to >>subscribe or not.  NOT!. >> >> >>     Is that the new Hot Rod
with the "3000 HP, New Crate Engines!" on the >>     cover?  If so, I'd like
to mention to people here to save your money >>     and not buy it.  There's
a wonderful picture of an Aurora V8 on the >>     cover, which is why I
bought the magazine (wanted to read about it) >>     and not ONE WORD about
the Aurora V8 on the inside.  Just Chevy, >>     Chevy, Chevy.  I think they
even set a new record for themselves, I >>     didn't see one non-chevy
article in the whole mag.  At one point I had >>     to double check the
cover to make sure it wasn't Super Chevy. . . >>

>>     BTW...picked up the Hot Rod? "engines annual edition" that has a
>>     pretty good overview of an 800$ performance 350 [Chevy;)]rebuild that
>>     ended up giving just over 300 HP when finished. I don't really know
>>     how  Olds and Chev 350's compare(parts compatibility) but it gives a
>>     pretty good idea of what kind of performance a guy can get with less
>>     than a grand.
>>

     Supposedly, one or both of the mags will be on the net sometime soon.
As soon as they get there, we should ALL (not some, not most, but ~ALL~)
write to them and give them our ideas.  The world does not revolve around
bowties. (We may ~FLY~ around them, but that's it!)  Parts houses like
bowties, WE don't.  If we flooded their mailboxes everyday for the next, oh,
say forty or fifty years, maybe they'd get the picture.
                   |
           ________|________
          {        |        } Charley Buehner
          {        |        } "Rockit 1"
          {        |        } buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
          {        |        } http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {       /|\       }   "There's no replacement
          {     /  |  \     }        for displacement..."
          {   /    |    \   }
          { /      |      \ }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          """"""""]^[""""""""
                   ^
                   ^

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 85 Toronado Wimpy performance

>Hey there gary! Sounds like you may have a plugged converter perhaps. Try
>running catylic converter cleaner which you can get at Canadian Tire for
>about 6 bucks. I know i ran some through my Escort and it was much more
>resonsive (well as responsive as Escorts can be!) :) later!

     Umm, exactly what kind of cleaner is that?  Usually when a cat is
plugged, it is because the actual catalyst is damaged and restricts the
exhaust (I'm pretty sure.)  Exactly what does this cleaner do?  Is it like
H2S04, or HCl, or some other caustic acid that just kind of eats everything
in its way, or is it more like a pointed pipe that you physically shove
through the cat (like a chimney sweep, only less selective)?  I've never
heard of such a thing, and I'm finding no functional understanding of the
stuff.  Just curious...   :)
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           ________|________
          {        |        } Charley Buehner
          {        |        } "Rockit 1"
          {        |        } buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
          {        |        } http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {       /|\       }   "There's no replacement
          {     /  |  \     }        for displacement..."
          {   /    |    \   }
          { /      |      \ }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          """"""""]^[""""""""
                   ^
                   ^

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tranny swap?

>
>     Is that the new Hot Rod with the "3000 HP, New Crate Engines!" on the
>     cover?  If so, I'd like to mention to people here to save your money
>     and not buy it.  There's a wonderful picture of an Aurora V8 on the
>     cover, which is why I bought the magazine (wanted to read about it)
>     and not ONE WORD about the Aurora V8 on the inside.  Just Chevy,
>     Chevy, Chevy.  I think they even set a new record for themselves, I
>     didn't see one non-chevy article in the whole mag.  At one point I had
>     to double check the cover to make sure it wasn't Super Chevy. . .

     Yeah, seems like both Chevy Craft and Camaro/Mustang Rod are that way! :)



>
>     BTW...picked up the Hot Rod? "engines annual edition" that has a
>     pretty good overview of an 800$ performance 350 [Chevy;)]rebuild that
>     ended up giving just over 300 HP when finished. I don't really know
>     how  Olds and Chev 350's compare(parts compatibility) but it gives a
>     pretty good idea of what kind of performance a guy can get with less
>     than a grand.
>

     Parts compatibility?  You can interchange the carbs, coil wire, and
engine oil if you really want to.  (Not for me, the only place I plan to see
any bowties in the Rockit is in the MIRROR!)
                   |
           ________|________
          {        |        } Charley Buehner
          {        |        } "Rockit 1"
          {        |        } buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
          {        |        } http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {       /|\       }   "There's no replacement
          {     /  |  \     }        for displacement..."
          {   /    |    \   }
          { /      |      \ }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          """"""""]^[""""""""
                   ^
                   ^

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Swap meet finds

>          A quick reply on the question of holes in the block and
>          heads into the water jacket.  These serve two purposes.
>          First, they provide the means for removal of the sand cores
>          after the casting process.  Second, these openings reduce
>          the amount of metal required in the block to reduce both
>          cost and weight.

     Also, I'd imagine, the head gaskets restrict these passages for maximum
heat transfer from the metal to the coolant (similar to the missing
thermostat discussion that was on here a little while ago)
                   |
           ________|________
          {        |        } Charley Buehner
          {        |        } "Rockit 1"
          {        |        } buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
          {        |        } http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {        |        }
          {       /|\       }   "There's no replacement
          {     /  |  \     }        for displacement..."
          {   /    |    \   }
          { /      |      \ }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]|[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          {       ]^[       }
          """"""""]^[""""""""
                   ^
                   ^

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From: ReG444@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:38:30 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: TH700-R4 4-speed automatic

B&M automotive accessories catalog carries an adapter for the 700r4 tranny.
 You can call them to request a catalog of tranny accessories.

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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:49:59 -0400
Subject: Timing

	How about a breakdown of the effects of retarded and advanced timing
including the definitions and results? Example, my car is set to 8 BTC, what
would happen if it were at 5 or 10?(knocking, hard start-hot, no power, etc..)
Also a question on the vacuum advance switch on the front of the intake.
According to my shop manual, it only functions when the temp gets to 223F.
What is the normal operating temp range of a 69 442?. If this thang is only
operational every once in a while, why do you have to remove the vac line to
the distributorto set the timing. If it times out the same weather the line is
hooked up or not does this mean my vac advance on the distributor is shot?


          ___              ___        _________
         /   |            /   |      /         \
        /    |           /    |     |   ___    |
       /     |          /     |     |__|   |   |
      /      |         /      |           /   /
     /       |        /       |          /   /
    /   /|   |       /   /|   |         /   /
   /   /_|   |__    /   /_|   |__      /   /
  |             |  |             |    /   /
  |______     __|  |______     __|   /   /_____
         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442


   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: ggreen@ftn.net (Gary Green)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:01:00 -0400
Subject: Someone has Studebaker FS

Have seen several references to a Studebaker Convertible for sale on the
list.  There is a posting on Rec.Autos.Antique from someone looking to buy a
Studebaker Convertible.  The e-mail address is sufclown@aol.com (SUF CLOWN)
and contents read:

>I'm looking for a Studebaker Hawk or Lark Convertible.  If you have one
>for sale, please e-mail me.  Thanx.
>Que serra, serra . . . splat!

Hope this is of some help.
Gary Green
Ottawa

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 04:47:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Timing

I can't say what will happen to your specific engine, but in general retarted
timing will prevent knock, be easier to start, get minisculely better gas
mileage, have less power, and run hotter.  Advanced can cause knock, harder to
 start, MORE POWER and won't run as hot.  Keep in mind all these effects are
minimal at best, don't expect miracles from adjusting the timing.

You can get around the hard-to-start problem by adjusting the centrifugal
advance rather than the initial advance.  I checked the distributor on my '79
olds 260 once and the centrifugal weights were pretty much rusted in place.
Cleaning them up and lubing them made a big difference in top-end power.  I
was so impressed that I decided to try some weaker springs on the centrifugal
 advance (only a few bucks at the local speed shop).  I think they made a
slight improvement, but not much.

But now my '84 H/O has computer controlled timing so I don't have to (don't
*get* to?) mess with it anymore.  My Hypertech Stage 1 chip takes care of that
 for me.

Tom.
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Timing Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/28/96 6:17 AM


 How about a breakdown of the effects of retarded and advanced timing
including the definitions and results? Example, my car is set to 8 BTC, what
would happen if it were at 5 or 10?(knocking, hard start-hot, no power, etc..)
 Also a question on the vacuum advance switch on the front of the intake.
Accordin g to my shop manual, it only functions when the temp gets to 223F.
What is the normal operating temp range of a 69 442?. If this thang is only
operational every once in a while, why do you have to remove the vac line to
the distributort o set the timing. If it times out the same weather the line
is hooked up or not does this mean my vac advance on the distributor is shot?



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