
oldsmobile-digest          Sunday, 31 March 1996       Volume 01 : Number 133


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:37:26 -0400
Subject: Re: server test

James Smith wrote:
> 
> This is a Server test because I haven't been getting my mail


It got this far!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:08:17 -0400
Subject: RE: server test

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It was my local server I called Rad and we went down there and the hard drive crashed on the mail server we got it up about noon 
	Thanks for the reply Mike
	
	James Smith
	jsmith@radware.net


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Sent: 	Saturday, March 30, 1996 2:37 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: server test

James Smith wrote:
> 
> This is a Server test because I haven't been getting my mail


It got this far!

The 66 Toro and Mike


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Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649



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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:50:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

> > late 70's Delta Custom [?].
> 
> No, not a Delta Custom, that was the '60 variety.  The '70 version was the 88
  					^^
	[snip] 				^^


	 Actually, in '60 there was no Delta.  There was the 88, Super 
88, Dynamic 88, and the 98, and all their variants.  Not sure when the 
Delta first appeared, but I think it was after 63 or 64.  
		
		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:58:26 -0400
Subject: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

	Ok, I wasn't going to get involved with this one, (and don't get 
me wrong, I don't want to start a flame war...usenet would seem a more 
appropriate place...) BUT, I would like to speak in defense of the 98.

> ... Come on, While the 98 is a fine car, it just can't compare to the 
> sportiness and style of the TORO!
> 
	Beg to differ.  When my 98 was built, it *defined* Oldsmobile 
sportiness and style.  :)  It came with Olds' biggest engine standard, 
 several hundred pounds of options, and cool fins to boot!  

> What do you mean by "paying customers?" .. my dates never had to pay!!
> 
	Ditto!!!
	
I was 16 with my first '66 TORO .. I'm 38 now with my 3rd.  I can assure 
> you we've turned heads the first time around the block!

	Even in the shape it's in, my 98 turns heads.  Anything with an 
exhaust leak as big as the one I've got is going to!   

> If you want something that is fast, hot , and a "flesh magnet,"  The 
> TORO's your best choice between the two!!  
> 
	Hmmm.  Questionable.  I bet I could still get _more_ of 'em into my 98!
And besides, my 98 was a vetran at that sort of thing before your Toro 
was even born. ;)

> However, there's probably some "Ms Daisy" types out there that would 
> prefer the back seat of a 98 so if that's your preference, more power to 
> ya.
> 
	The only Daisy that'll be riding in my 98 would be Daisy 
Fuentes...and that would be "Miss" Daisy to you.  |)

> I'll stick with the Toro.. (no offense intended..)
> Rad..
> 
	None taken.   I'll stick with the 98.  Both cars have their merits, and 
I'll admit the Toro is cool.  In fact, any Olds is cool...even the Firenza.
Ok, well, that might be pushing it, but still...
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: OLDSMOBILE 442 <S_WTJAMES@vaxa.clarion.edu>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:59:07 -0400
Subject: H/O SPOILER 

I am looking for a 1984 Olds spoiler, does anyone have one taking up 
space and want to get rid of it?
Any Olds 15x7 wheels out there? (chrome/442)???
WES 
1986 442
The Perfect Ten

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From: Roger Saladin <rsaladin@bright.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:15:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont 88 

At 08:52 PM 3/29/96 -0400, Jeffrey King wrote:

>On another note... anyone have a current copy of an old car price
>guide?  I need a quote on my '61 Super 88.  I'm not sure of the
>rating system number, but it's only got 58K miles on it and it's
>in very, very good original condition (see it on the Bryceman's
>web page http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/king.html ) and let me
>know what it's worth.  I'm not going to sell it unless I have to,


>              1961 Oldsmobile Super 88 Holiday Sedan

Took a look at Bryaceman's page and it looks to be a 4 door hardtop
(BTW, sedan implies post between the side windows). April '96 version
of price guide shows that sort to be selling from $400 (#6, parts car)
to $11,000 (#1, somewhat better than showroom new).
In between are $1300, $2200, $4400, and $7700 for #s 5, 4, 3, and
2. FWIW, they consider a #3 ($4400 in this case) to be a "20 footer",
i.e. it looks super from 20 foot, but close inspection shows some 
wear, etc. 
Also, IMHO, if you ask price guide prices, you probably need to be
willing to wait a while. At least in this area (northern Ohio), they
seem to be about double real world prices.

>
>

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:15:39 -0400
Subject: Re: 15x7 Wheels and H/O Spoiler 

     Sorry to post this to the group, but my mailer (cc:Mail) doesn't show 
     the poster's address.
     
     Wes, good luck on the spoiler, but I have a set of 4 15x7 wheels, plus 
     a set of brand new (still in box) beauty rings for them.  With center 
     caps and the trim that goes around the "holes" too.  They're freshly 
     stripped, primered, painted (green) and clear-coated.  They will need 
     valve stems.  I was intending to use them on my '79 this spring, but 
     stumbled across my '84 H/O before then.  These are the same style, 
     only painted.  You could conceivably get them chromed maybe?  Since 
     they've never been out of the garage, you should be able to repaint 
     them whatever color you want with just a light sanding.
     
     I'll sell 'em for what I paid, $100 for the wheels/center caps/rings 
     plus $70 for trim rings.  You get all the work I've done on them as a 
     bonus.  They were kind of a basket case when I found them, but they 
     cleaned up nicely!
     
     If you're not interested, anyone else is welcome to reply.  Located in 
     Spokane, WA.
     
     Tom L.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: H/O SPOILER
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    3/30/96 2:45 PM

I am looking for a 1984 Olds spoiler, does anyone have one taking up 
space and want to get rid of it?
Any Olds 15x7 wheels out there? (chrome/442)??? 
WES 
1986 442
The Perfect Ten
     

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:15:35 -0400
Subject: '84 Washer/Wiper follow up and other stuff 

     I got the washer/wiper mess sorted out.  The plastic lever inside the 
     wiper delay module had busted off.  This lever spins around and times 
     how long the wipers wipe when you use the squirter.  You'd think GM 
     would use something electronic, since they've got a PC board in there 
     already. . .  GM wanted $75 for a new module.  Ouch!  Time to whip the 
     'ol plastic out of the wallet.
     
     Got back from the Auto/Boat speed show (Spokane) this weekend.  Found 
     a dealer that sold Hurst/Olds licence plates (with the logo the exact 
     same color as my car).  I'm a happy camper!  He had H/O jackets for 
     sale too.  Still thinking on that one. . .
     
     There was a '71 442 W30 there.  One of the few cars in the whole place 
     that was rebuilt to stock specs.  Beautiful, but unfortunately not for 
     sale.  I wish the owner woulda been around to BS with.
     
     Tom L.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:13:23 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

Scott R Clark wrote:
> 
>         Ok, I wasn't going to get involved with this one, (and don't get
> me wrong, I don't want to start a flame war...usenet would seem a more
> appropriate place...) BUT, I would like to speak in defense of the 98.
> 
> > ... Come on, While the 98 is a fine car, it just can't compare to the
> > sportiness and style of the TORO!
> >
>         Beg to differ.  When my 98 was built, it *defined* Oldsmobile
> sportiness and style.  :)  It came with Olds' biggest engine standard,
>  several hundred pounds of options, and cool fins to boot!
> 
> > What do you mean by "paying customers?" .. my dates never had to pay!!
> >
>         Ditto!!!
> 
> I was 16 with my first '66 TORO .. I'm 38 now with my 3rd.  I can assure
> > you we've turned heads the first time around the block!
> 
>         Even in the shape it's in, my 98 turns heads.  Anything with an
> exhaust leak as big as the one I've got is going to!
> 
> > If you want something that is fast, hot , and a "flesh magnet,"  The
> > TORO's your best choice between the two!!
> >
>         Hmmm.  Questionable.  I bet I could still get _more_ of 'em into my 98!
> And besides, my 98 was a vetran at that sort of thing before your Toro
> was even born. ;)
> 
> > However, there's probably some "Ms Daisy" types out there that would
> > prefer the back seat of a 98 so if that's your preference, more power to
> > ya.
> >
>         The only Daisy that'll be riding in my 98 would be Daisy
> Fuentes...and that would be "Miss" Daisy to you.  |)
> 
> > I'll stick with the Toro.. (no offense intended..)
> > Rad..
> >
>         None taken.   I'll stick with the 98.  Both cars have their merits, and
> I'll admit the Toro is cool.  In fact, any Olds is cool...even the Firenza.
> Ok, well, that might be pushing it, but still...
> 
>                         Scott
>                 1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

To quote from the inside cover of my 1966 Toronado Owners manual:

    "As the owner of a TORONADO by Oldsmobile, you now drive a
     distinctive car with appearance features and performance 
     benefits unlike anything on the road today.  Never has there
     been a car with so many distinguising characteristics."

Their words, not mine.

The 66 Toro and Mike


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Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:38:57 -0400
Subject: Spring Break '96 

Attention Oldsmobilers --

If you are near the Altoona/Bedford, PA area, you're invited to join The
Blue/Gray Chapter of O.C.A. on their Spring Break '96 tour to be held May 4 &
5, 1996.  We will be touring the Horseshoe Curve & Railroaders Museum in
Altoona (Sat.) and Old Bedford Village in Bedford (Sun.).  This trip will
cost you about $20 per person (includes all admissions and Saturday night
dinner) plus your hotel room ($30/night - you make your own  arrangements
with our host hotel) and any other meals & misc. expenses.  We currently have
about 25 people signed up for this trip.  If you are interested in meeting
some great Oldsmobile people and seeing some interesting sights, contact me
for further information @ PHartlieb@aol.com.

                                                           Paul Hartlieb
                                                           Blue/Gray Chapter
Treasurer

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:42:54 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc. 

In a message dated 96-03-30 20:21:10 EST, you write:

>To quote from the inside cover of my 1966 Toronado Owners manual:
>
>    "As the owner of a TORONADO by Oldsmobile, you now drive a
>     distinctive car with appearance features and performance 
>     benefits unlike anything on the road today.  Never has there
>     been a car with so many distinguising characteristics."
>
>Their words, not mine.
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>

And here's what the '66 98, Starfire &  88 om says (shows a 98 Luxury Sedan
on the cover):

"Your 1966 Oldsmobile is without question, the finest Oldsmobile ever
produced.  This magnificent automobile has many years-ahead features in
engineering and styling designed to provide you with many thousands of miles
of pleasurable driving."

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:42:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

In a message dated 96-03-30 16:00:21 EST, you write:

>> No, not a Delta Custom, that was the '60 variety.  The '70 version was the
>88
>  					^^
>	[snip] 				^^
>
>
>	 Actually, in '60 there was no Delta.

Oops, sorry, typo!  Should have read '60's variety & '70's version.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:42:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont 88 

In a message dated 96-03-30 19:27:56 EST, you write:

>>              1961 Oldsmobile Super 88 Holiday Sedan
>
>Took a look at Bryaceman's page and it looks to be a 4 door hardtop
>(BTW, sedan implies post between the side windows).

>From 1949 thru 1970, Oldsmobile referred to their hardtop models as Holiday
Coupes or Holiday Sedans, not 2door & 4door hardtops.  The expections to this
rule were 60's Starfires, Toronados, '66 Cutlass Supreme, '69 & '70 98 LS
hardtop sedans, '69 & '70 Royale coupes and the '70 Cutlass Supreme coupe
(and maybe a few others)  Holiday was dropped for '71 and hardtops were
referred to as just that.  Holiday was used again on the late 70's/early 80's
on Delta coupes, but they weren't hardtops.

Actually, if his sedan had a post, it would be referred to as a  Super 88
Celebrity Sedan.

happy hOLiDayS! 

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:40:36 -0400
Subject: Heads

I would like to know what the difference in the "7" & "8" heads are. I =
am building a 350 olds for drag racing with a 74 block. I came across a =
set of "7" heads but I have the "8" on it know I know that the "7" are =
HC but what else is different and what are the valve size in the "7" =
they are off of a 71 also what are the valve sizes of my "8" heads and =
the combustion chamber volumes of both      

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 07:47:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Heads

According to Chris Witt, the #7s have a 64cc chamber volume while the #8s 
are 80cc. Don't have the valve size info handy but I wouldn't expect 
them to be much different. The 8s are lo-comp smog heads and apparently 
not the best choice.

Chris may want to verify/correct/add to any of this. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 08:04:42 -0400
Subject: Removing Carbon Build-Up

This is a question that seems to come up from time to time, so maybe it's 
time to gather all of the group's expertise into one thread for future 
reference. My '68 is, I suspect, loaded with carbon build-up from its 
life as a little old lady grocery getter. I've done various things to get 
it out, generally along the lines of the "Italian tune-up" (hi-revs in 
low gear at highway speeds) sometimes in conjunction with a bottle of 
Rislone "Karb-Out" in the gas tank. 

I suppose there are 2 main questions:

1. What are other methods that work to remove this stuff?
and
2. How can you tell if you've succeeded?

I have heard that pouring tranny fluid slowly into the carb with the 
engine hot and revs held high will work. The same with a slow stream of 
water. I also hear that if you inject a couple of spoonfuls of combustion 
chamber cleaner into the cylinders via the spark plug holes and let it 
sit overnight, then take it for a good long run, that you can remove even 
stubborn buildup. Any others? Any miracle products for this?

As for question #2, I have occasionally seen (in my rear view mirror) 
puffs of brownish smoke when doing the Italian method. Is brown the 
typical color of exhaust when carbon is vaporized? What will you 
experience after it has been removed... easier starting, reduced ping I 
would expect, anything else?

The Italian methods troubles me slightly (for reasons I may sometime 
reveal at the risk of personal embarassment... how high can you rev a 350 
Rocket anyway? ;-)   ) because I have visions of fans flying thru the 
hood or rods thru the side of the block when the thing is run that 
hard... but everyone I've talked to recommends it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 08:55:30 -0400
Subject: RE: Parts for Sale.

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Due to the high demand for Toro oil pans that I was selling lately I =
decided to see if anyone might want some other parts that I would like =
to get rid of.=20
I have the following:
SB- Holley intake (single plane)
BB- Offenhauser ( dual quad)
Disc brake set up (front)
Batton aluminum intake (no spacers)
14 -Th400 ( various conditions)
A/C setup (complete)
Trim galore!!!
Heads "C", "E", "G", "Ga".

Plus some other stuff that I'll have to go look at, anyway best offer on =
all this stuff as I really want to get rid of it.
I would also be willing to trade for other performance parts that you =
may have cluttering up your shops.


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:19:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
>  
> And here's what the '66 98, Starfire &  88 om says (shows a 98 Luxury Sedan
> on the cover):
> 
> "Your 1966 Oldsmobile is without question, the finest Oldsmobile ever
> produced.  This magnificent automobile has many years-ahead features in
> engineering and styling designed to provide you with many thousands of miles
> of pleasurable driving."

Kind of makes you wonder if thay hired a bunch of politicians to write 
the owners manuals doesn't it?  :)

The 66 Toro and Mike

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Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:00:35 -0400
Subject: RE: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

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I am really getting tiered of getting this letter!! why don't you guys =
send them to each other personal E-mail or pick up the phone and cry =
about this to each other personally

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From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 31, 1996 1:19 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> =20
> And here's what the '66 98, Starfire &  88 om says (shows a 98 Luxury =
Sedan
> on the cover):
>=20
> "Your 1966 Oldsmobile is without question, the finest Oldsmobile ever
> produced.  This magnificent automobile has many years-ahead features =
in
> engineering and styling designed to provide you with many thousands of =
miles
> of pleasurable driving."

Kind of makes you wonder if thay hired a bunch of politicians to write=20
the owners manuals doesn't it?  :)

The 66 Toro and Mike

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Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649



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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:00:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Removing Carbon Build-Up

> 1. What are other methods that work to remove this stuff?
I used a hairspray bottle with water, and sprayed while it was on 
high idle.

> 2. How can you tell if you've succeeded?
Large clouds of black crap, when you floor it.

Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale

{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}

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From: Caray95@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:41:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

Hey guys,

1960 was Dynamic 88, Super 88 and "Classic" 98, in that order.

No Starfire or other variants other than 7 body styles.

Delta 88 showed up in 1965, along with Jetstar 88(330c.i.),Jetstar I (425
c.i.), Dynamic 88(425c.i), Delta 88, Starfire, and 98 on the bigger body.

Follwed by Delta Custom in 1967.  Delmont replaced the Jetstar.

The rest is history

Ray Kelly,

Connecticut Olds owner.

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