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oldsmobile-digest         Saturday, 16 March 1996      Volume 01 : Number 120


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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:25:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 1974 Hurst/Olds

        Glenn
The 1974 H/O used the Colonnade coupe styling which was prevalent on the
Cutlass 'S' series   The H/O featured Swivel Bucket seats, louvered hood,
Exclusive Oval hood ornament with OLDSMOBILE in script, a simulated padded
roll bar with smaller 1/4 windows and the bold Gold racing stripes on the
sides and down the hood and trunk.  The Indy Pace car lettering and Large H/O
on the 1/4 were optional.  They carried Super Stock II wheels painted a
distinctive HURST gold color  and the wheel sizes were 14X7 for the 350 cars
and 15X8 for the 455 equipped cars  They also came with the( FE2?) rallye
suspension.  Oddly so the 1973 H/O came with the then new BF Goodrich T/A
radials which was dropped in 74.
 The '74 tires were the Good Year RWL Polyglass H 78 15's.   The 350 equipped
cars had the Cutlass S badges on the front fenders and the 455 equipped cars
never had the holes drilled and this area had a fairly large decal in gold
that stated W-30(There was also a gold W-30 badge in the grill on 455 cars)
All combined there were a little more than 1,800 '74's produced.  380 of these
were W-30's.  These cars could be ordered in Ebony Black or Ermine White with
either a white or black interior with the  white vinyl top with simulated
black roll bar/or the black top with the white simulated roll bar. with a
chrome H/O badge on either side of the roll bar, one on the right corner of
the deck lid and a smaller H/O badge on the trim plate of the console.

The 74 was the first year that the H/O came standard with a 350 cid 200 hp
power plant  rather than the 455 as in other years.  The 350 cid 200 hp(serial
number designation M for 350/dual exhaust) was mated with a turbo 350 thm.
These 350 cars did not come with the dual gate shifter as a standard item,
that was optional, as was the gauge cluster and UHV ignition.  These 350 cars
were called Y-77's, (That changed in  '75 to W-25. )

The  455 equipped cars were called W-30's and were quite a bit different than
the Y-77's and came standard with what was then called UHV ignition (I call it
HEI), the dual gate shifter/modified turbo 400 thm.  I believe the serial
number designation for these was the letter K (I will confirm this with the
shop manual at home) and was rated at 255 hp.  Again, 15X7 Super Stock II
painted with a exclusive gold paint to match the stripes, rallye pack
instrumentation (inc Fuel, Oil press & Temp).

This can get long.....
Hurst exclusive options were alarm system, locks for the lug nuts, HURST
mudflaps, H/O front license plate, Indy Pace Decal set, Digital Tach.  I have
all the brochures for the 74 in my gloce box ans warranties from Hurst if you
want me to Xerox them.
I can post more if you want more detail.  But I need to do it from Home ans
not from work because all my car stuff is there.
David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu    OR CARBUFF442@AOL.COM

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From: "A. G. Crisp" <gcrisp@tribeca.ios.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:05:20 -0400
Subject: Re: 1974 Hurst/Olds

david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu wrote:
>
>         Glenn
> The 1974 H/O used the Colonnade coupe styling which was prevalent on the
Cutlass > 'S' series   The H/O featured Swivel Bucket seats, louvered hood,
Exclusive Oval > hood ornament with OLDSMOBILE in script, a simulated padded
roll bar with > smaller 1/4 windows and the bold Gold racing stripes on the
sides and down the > hood and trunk.  The Indy Pace car lettering and Large
H/O on the 1/4 were > optional.  They carried Super Stock II wheels painted a
distinctive HURST gold > color  and the wheel sizes were 14X7 for the 350 cars
and 15X8 for the 455 > equipped cars  They also came with the( FE2?) rallye
suspension.  Oddly so the > 1973 H/O came with the then new BF Goodrich T/A
radials which was dropped in 74. >  The '74 tires were the Good Year RWL
Polyglass H 78 15's.   The 350 equipped > cars had the Cutlass S badges on the
front fenders and the 455 equipped cars > never had the holes drilled and this
area had a fairly large decal in gold that > stated W-30(There was also a gold
W-30 badge in the grill on 455 cars)  All > combined there were a little more
than 1,800 '74's produced.  380 of these were > W-30's.  These cars could be
ordered in Ebony Black or Ermine White with either > a white or black interior
with the  white vinyl top with simulated black roll > bar/or the black top
with the white simulated roll bar. with a chrome H/O badge > on either side of
the roll bar, one on the right corner of the deck lid and a > smaller H/O
badge on the trim plate of the console. > > The 74 was the first year that
the H/O came standard with a 350 cid 200 hp power > plant  rather than the 455
as in other years.  The 350 cid 200 hp(serial number > designation M for
350/dual exhaust) was mated with a turbo 350 thm.  These 350 > cars did not
come with the dual gate shifter as a standard item, that was > optional, as
was the gauge cluster and UHV ignition.  These 350 cars were called > Y-77's,
(That changed in  '75 to W-25. ) > > The  455 equipped cars were called
W-30's and were quite a bit different than > the Y-77's and came standard with
what was then called UHV ignition (I call it > HEI), the dual gate
shifter/modified turbo 400 thm.  I believe the serial number > designation for
these was the letter K (I will confirm this with the shop manual > at home)
and was rated at 255 hp.  Again, 15X7 Super Stock II painted with a >
exclusive gold paint to match the stripes, rallye pack instrumentation (inc >
Fuel, Oil press & Temp). > > This can get long..... > Hurst exclusive options
were alarm system, locks for the lug nuts, HURST > mudflaps, H/O front license
plate, Indy Pace Decal set, Digital Tach.  I have > all the brochures for the
74 in my gloce box ans warranties from Hurst if you > want me to Xerox them. >
I can post more if you want more detail.  But I need to do it from Home ans
not > from work because all my car stuff is there. >
David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu    OR > CARBUFF442@AOL.COM

Hello Again,
	This info. is great!!! You have given me more info. in this brief 
description
than I have been able to obtain in approx. 3 months of research. I am the
second owner of this car since it was purchased new in '74. My grandmother,
believe it or not, was the original owner and gave it to me. It has the 455
H.O. and the signature "Lightning Rod" shifter. Is your car one of the 455's
as well? I don't want to be a burden, but I'll take any info. you can spare.
You were correct in your description of the availability of information on
these cars. I has been a real pain in the ass finding anything out.....Until
now of course. I am online in a suburb of Houston, Texas. From where do you
hail?

								Glenn

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:10:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[8]: Radio question -Reply

On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, Sandy Stewart wrote:
> My 1972 442 has an AM-FM stereo radio with a "flipping dial".  The 71-72
> radios are almost identical.  I believe that the 1970 AM-FM stereo radios
> were two piece models.
> 8 tracks were available in 1968 if not earlier.  Models up to 1972 are
> similar except for different trim face plates.  I believe that the 68 models
> were metal colored, whereas my72 is imitation wood grain trim plate to
> match the instrument panel applique (rosewood or burl wood or

Thanks, Sandy... I knew I wasn't hallucinating!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 16:24:29 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 1974 Hurst/Olds

Glenn,
Originally i am from Allentown Penna.  But I have lived in Nashville Tn. since
'85.
Ohhh,  An original 455 car?  What is the serial no designation for the engine,
 Was I correct about it being "K"? That one was just from memory. Lightning
rod shifter???  ARe there 3 of them?  Or do you mean Dual gate where you can
push the shifter to the right and make the car go manually in to the desired
gear.  Lighening rod shifter was an 83-84 deal with 3 shifters.  What a gimick
that was. Unfortunatly mine is a 350 car.   :(       BUT completely loaded
with all factory accessories except Cruise, reaf defog, and power locks. I
have access to the digital tach, but $100.00 for one that is broken, that will
be a hard pill to swallow. Can you receive GIF files?  I have a GIF of mine,
IS yours white or black?


> David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu    OR
> CARBUFF442@AOL.COM

Hello Again,
 This info. is great!!! You have given me more info. in this brief description
than I have
been able to obtain in approx. 3 months of research. I am the second owner of
this car since it
was purchased new in '74. My grandmother, believe it or not, was the original
owner and gave it
to me. It has the 455 H.O. and the signature "Lightning Rod" shifter. Is your
car one of the
455's as well? I don't want to be a burden, but I'll take any info. you can
spare. You were
correct in your description of the availability of information on these cars.
I has been a real pain in the ass finding anything out.....Until now of
course. I am online in a suburb of Houston, Texas. From where do you hail?

        Glenn

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Edelbrock SB Build

I don't have my Chilton's guide handy, but I don't think the 73-77, or even
the 72, Cutlass 350's were rated much above 200.  The 77 is rated at about
170, though I think that's underrating it, maybe because it's a net figure.

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:29:59 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Edelbrock SB Build

the 74 is rated at 200 net @ 4200 rpm  and the 75 is rated at 180 @ 3800 rpm
The 455s were not a whole lot higher, they were 255 @ 3600 rpm
David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
David


I don't have my Chilton's guide handy, but I don't think the 73-77, or even
the 72, Cutlass 350's were rated much above 200.  The 77 is rated at about
170, though I think that's underrating it, maybe because it's a net figure.

Ed Atlee   '77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov  '84 Hurst/Olds
 R O C K E T P O W E R E D ! !

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:42:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedo drive gears:

On the speedo head on many of the newer models, there is an
adjusting spring to calibrate the head.  I think that alters
ONLY the needle, so if the odometer is correct (check over a
five mile stretch, perhaps...) and the speedo is off, this
may be the cause.  There is a series of notches in there
with a lever connected to the needle spring.  This alters
the spring tension on the needle.  If you feel ambitious,
you may try playing with that if everything else seems right.
(Tightenning the spring would slow the needle down...)
	--Charley B.


On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, JK McCall wrote:

> > I've been following these conversations with great interest because my
> > speedometer is off, also.  It reads 55, when I go about 65.  I haven't
> > been too concerned about it, because if I follow the speedometer, it
> > turns out I'm going the maximum speed cops usually won't ticket you for.
> >
> > What confuses me is that I think the odometer is measuring correctly.
> >
> > The car had an aftermarket cruise control that failed.  I just bypassed
> > the cruise control box.  I forget how the cables ran, but the net effect
> > was that I took the cable that went from the tranny to the cruise control,
> > and moved it so it went from the tranny to the speedometer.
>
> Having just recified my cruise problem (factory installation) and having
> 3 failed units to inspect I found that it was driven 1:1 32 teeth each
> gear.  Not sure if that would be any different on an aftermarket setup
> but should still remain 1:1...
>
> So maybe to figure out why the difference check the drive & driven
> gear and if there is an adapter.  Then Tom might be able to set you up
> with the propers gears required.  He did that for me and I'm off to GM to
> order some gears this weekend.  I owe him a beer if it checks out.
>
> Hope this might be of some help.
>
> JK McCall
>
>

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:54:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 120MPH Speedo...

	Or you could be really bold (I did this for a while)
and pull the speedo head out of an older one (I used my
spare '71 Skylark head.)  Take the original face
(preferably a spare or something) and spray paint it black.
Stick the OLD head in there and make 90degree markings on
it. (I think 60 was straight up, and 90 at 3:00, I can't
recall offhand.)  Get close degree markings (compared to the
OLD face) and make marks on the new face to correspond.  I
had mine numberred up to 150 (granted the numbers looked
funny, I painted them on by hand!) but it was stopwatch
accurate at 150!  I could have numberred up to 180 if I
recall, but I had no expectations of needing it!





On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, John Schmich
wrote:

> At 07:23 PM 3/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >Here is some info you might be interested in..
> >
> >Instead of playing with a KM speedo, try to find a original 120mph unit.  I
> >did a little research last year and found out that GM had a 120 speedo in
the > >performance catalog back in '86 or '87???  After calling every dealer
around > >with no one knowing what the hell I was talking about, I called the
dealer > >from where my 86 442 was originally bought.  Sure enough, this guy
had > >remembered seeing one and tracked down the part number for me: > >
25083824  120mph Olds speedometer (for factory > >gauge package) > > > >The
only problem is that GM doesn't make these anymore, but I think you can > >get
one from Originality Plus 1.909.945.5466.  If anyone tries to get one, > >let
me know. > > > >                                       Tom Millard
OLDSPWR@aol.com > > > >PS  I am pretty sure these units also came stock in 87
442's.  I saw a few > >last year at Performance Sunday at Englishtown, NJ.
Can anyone back this > >up??? > > > > > >I heard a rumor that the 120 speedo
came in any 87-88 Cutlass/442 with the > quage package.  I'm not sure if this
is actually true but I found this out > when I was trying to find a 120 speedo
to replace the 85mph.  Thanks for the > info, I'm still looking for one. > >
Brandon > > >

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 17:55:51 -0400
Subject: Headers for 307

Okay, here I sit with latest Jeg's catalog.  Not a lot of Olds-specific stuff,
but some.  (Hey, Jerky! Yeah, you...the whole world don't drive a freakin'
Chevy, you know what I mean?  Open your ears, jackass!...:-)

Hooker lists Competition Headers only for 68-77 Cutlass, 350-403 ci.
In the 50-state legal category, Edelbrock makes "tubular exhaust systems", the
picture for which shows headers, going into a y-pipe that cuts down to a
single. NO, they dont offer them for Olds 307, but do for Monte Carlo LG-4 and
L-69 HO (the SS Monte 305), so maybe there's hope, if we apply pressure to the
affected areas of their brain. :-)  The interesting thing about these is they
say they have fittings for air injection and 02 sensors, so you wouldn't
*have* to remove A.I.R., unless you wanted to.

Finally, Hedman lists an application for 78-87 442, 260-403 (also for 65-76
442 (guess you're SOL if you've got a 77, huh?)).  They don't list tube
diameters, but they go for $150, in any case.  These are probably the same
ones that Brandon mentioned yesterday:

> performance shop yesterday and ordered a set of Hedman headers.  The catalog
> said that it included all the equipment to be 49 state legal (Cal.).  It
> also said that it reduces down to 3" so I'll have to buy another reducer.
> Another worry is that I will have to do changes to the stock exhaust to
> still contain the catalytic converter.  I bought this through desperity so
> lets hope it works!!!

Well, that's what I found, let us know what happens, Brandon.  Does your Salon
have A.I.R.?

BTW, some companies might have applications not listed here, so it pays to
call.  I don't have #'s for the companies, but JEG'S can be reached at
1-800-345-4545.  Tell them to put more f*(&($ing Olds stuff in there!

Sheesh...bad enough it's so hard to find Oldsmobiles around here...the
pre-78's are getting mighty scarce, and anything you do find is overpriced.  I
gotta move.

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:02:13 -0400
Subject: Mondello News...

FYI---I spoke with Joe Mondello yesterday to get some tech info on a set of
heads for my 403.  As I was asking about head cc volumes, he stated that his
95 catalog listing was incorrect.  This was because the info he had directly
from Oldsmobile was wrong.  (Possibly worst-case scenario numbers...)  But
anyway, this is why his technical manual has been delayed so many times.  He
said he went back and verified every single head cc by hand to make sure the
info he was putting forth was correct.  So hopefully next week the tech
manual will be on the way to the printer...  Oh ya, he also said this was the
official 'bible'...  (and I am anxious to see it!)     Tom Millard
OLDSPWR@aol.com

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:12:24 -0400
Subject: Found a '70 Cutlass for sale

     'Twas browsing through the local "Wheel Deals" while having my tranny
     fluid changed (too messy for me without a hoist) and came across the
     following ad:

     '70 Olds Cutlass.  Strong 350 with 350 turbo trans.  runs great, body
     is good, hard to find car.  ready to drive or restore.  Need cash.
     $1000.  509-487-8486.

     This would be in Spokane, WA where I'm at.  On the North side of town
     judging from the phone #.  If anyone is seriously interested I can go
     check it out.  I don't know whether that's an Olds or Chevy 350.  The
     picture (b/w) shows it's a dark color with a lighter top.  It looks
     straight, clean, and shiny, no obvious rust in the picture.

     Tom L.


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 14:12:27 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 120MPH Speedo...

     Sheesh, that would be a bold move.  My brother did that to his
     low-rider truck, repainted the gauges sort of a psychadelic tie-dye
     patter.  Lauren Engineering offers a 140mph speedometer decal in their
     catalog that fits El Camino, Monte Carlo, Regal and Cutlass '78-'87.
     $29.50

     I also remember people asking about the other late-model 442 and H/O
     stuff.  Hurst Olds/442 duplicate hood scoop $149.  H/O duplicate rear
     deck spoiler $229, or $299 w/ LED brake light.  Front spoiler $179.
     H/O or 442 stripe kit $600.  Lots of other full-ground-effect packages
     for lots more money.

Tom L.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: 120MPH Speedo... Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    3/15/96 2:42 PM


 Or you could be really bold (I did this for a while)
and pull the speedo head out of an older one (I used my
spare '71 Skylark head.)  Take the original face
(preferably a spare or something) and spray paint it black.
Stick the OLD head in there and make 90degree markings on it.
(I think 60 was straight up, and 90 at 3:00, I can't recall
offhand.)  Get close degree markings (compared to the OLD
face) and make marks on the new face to correspond.  I had
mine numberred up to 150 (granted the numbers looked funny, I
painted them on by hand!) but it was stopwatch accurate at
150!  I could have numberred up to 180 if I recall, but I had
no expectations of needing it!

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:20:21 -0400
Subject: Update on Bargain News Online

Hello, yesterday I posted some car ads, and mentioned the fact that the
newspaper I got the ads from went online. I said not to get your hopes up,
since it was their first effort.

Well, I just tried them out, and the thing is fantastic. Select a category,
select a make you want to search for (Olds, of course!), limiting search by
oldest and newest model, lowest and highest price, and model keyword, and
presto, a list of cars in the CT area that match your criteria. You can also
search the parts or special interest categories the same way. This saves a
lot of scanning tiny print ads, and missing things that are mixed in with
other ads.

Did I mention that they are offering this as a free service?

I'm rarely impressed so much by something on the web that I have to share it
with people, but I know how you people are about your Oldsmobiles, and there
is always something interesting in there. They update the listings every
thursday, but the site might be busy then if everyone has the same idea.

BTW, no I do not work for them or have a stake in their business.

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:20:39 -0400
Subject: Older engine parts

Obsolete Engine Parts Inventory
     Pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets, camshafts, timing components, valves,
     many parts for 50's, 60's & 70's models, also engine parts for GMC and
     International trucks.

     Contact: Wayne Newell at 501-783-4461,
     Motor Mart, Fort Smith AR.

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:27:51 -0400
Subject: Big block valves in #7 head?

I hope to soon have a set of bare #7 heads, and would like to fit them with
2.00" intake and 1.625" exhaust valves for my 403.

I've already got a set of these valves in excellent shape from a 1970 455 (in
which I'd like to put 2.07" and 1.71" valves), and was wondering whether they
would fit my small block heads? I'll be getting a full valve job, so I could
correct any valve angle mismatch when the new seats are cut.

Any advice on this? The motor is going to be a relatively low rpm engine, and
I plan on using Mondello's 16-18 cam in it.

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 02:29:34 -0400
Subject: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

Having lined up a possible set of #7 heads for my 403 buildup, I'm now
shopping around for an engine rebuild kit. I'd like to know what people have
had good or bad experiences with from among the following, especially
concerning the last kit I mention, from PST:

I've looked at Mondello's kit, which has cast pistons, rings, bearings,
gaskets, oil pump, lifters and timing chain. $512 (part# MK403-L) He also has
a forged piston kit for the 403 including the above minus oil pump, in 8.5:1
for $670 (FK403-L) or with "high-compression" 9.5:1 pistons for $848
(FK403-H).

By comparison, PAW has their Deluxe Master Rebuild Kit, with basically the
same as Mondello's plus a cam, for $493 with cast pistons or $669 for forged.

Last of all, Performance Suspension Technology has begun selling engine kits
that are quite a bit more complete, for more than competetive prices. Their
403 Olds kit has pistons, rings, bearings, cam, springs with locks, lifters,
pushrods, rocker arm kits, oil pump, freeze plugs, timing gears and gaskets,
all for $425! They list options available for extra prices, such as
high-compression pistons or forged pistons for $80 more (most cars; probably
not mine, though), HV oil pump for $10, double-roller chain for $20,
Chrome-moly rings for $15 and a high performance cam for $40 more. Even with
all these options, that comes to $590, and that includes valvetrain parts
that the others don't.

Has anyone looked into this PST engine kit? It looks like a great deal, as
long as there are decent parts. I don't want to spend any kind of money on
junk, though; I'd rather pay more to do it right.

In addition, there are smaller suppliers who have good prices on entire kits.
Hot Rod used a kit that cost $229 from a place called Powerhouse for their
$800 350 Ch*vy buildup. Olds parts, of course, are a bit more "diginfied," so
they cost more and are harder to find. I'm just wondering if there are any
placed out there that you are familiar with that you would recommend.

I know Mondello is *the* Olds place, but other places have the parts as well,
and I'm not necessarily willing to pay the premium for the Mondello name. I
will probably go with his 16-18 cam, though, since it's the heart of the
engine and he has sorted this kind of thing out probably better than anyone.

Any clue as to when his technical manual will be out? Yeah, I know it's going
to come out "next month"... But seriously, any information on when?

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:23:00 -0400
Subject: '89 Cutlass Stuff

Hey, all.  I guess you could call this a new addition to the "family."  My
roommate just bought an '89 Cutlass Supreme SL.  Nice car.  It's got the
3.1L  (I think all those numbers are right--Past '87 they all kinda blend
together into a category called "too damned expensive for me!")  He's
curious, (and asked me to relay his curiousity...) has anyone else dealt
with this critter as for toys available for it?  Namely performance chips, I
guess.  He's also curious about center consoles.  The one it came with is
lacking that certain, umm, functionality.  It has a giant storage bin (that
doesn't fit a nice butt very well!) and a funky little coin holder that
would work much better for a bottle or something!  Is this the only console
these came with?  Anyone else had any other styles in theres?  (It's an auto
on the floor, for those interested...)  Someday, I'll likely have pics of it
on my page, Not sure when.  I finally got my camera back yesterday(It had
been lost at our New Years Eve party)  I guess I should have given up much
sooner, and bought a new one-- apparantly this one fell off the space needle
or something!  It will certainly never take another picture again, anyway!!!
At least I got the party pic's back, anyways!

      Charley Buehner         "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Havre, Montana          http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"              '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"              '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 07:23:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 120MPH Speedo...

>
>     Sheesh, that would be a bold move.  My brother did that to his
>     low-rider truck, repainted the gauges sort of a psychadelic tie-dye
>     patter.  Lauren Engineering offers a 140mph speedometer decal in their
>     catalog that fits El Camino, Monte Carlo, Regal and Cutlass '78-'87.
>     $29.50
>
>     I also remember people asking about the other late-model 442 and H/O
>     stuff.  Hurst Olds/442 duplicate hood scoop $149.  H/O duplicate rear
>     deck spoiler $229, or $299 w/ LED brake light.  Front spoiler $179.
>     H/O or 442 stripe kit $600.  Lots of other full-ground-effect packages
>     for lots more money.

     Call it a hunch, but I get this funny feeling I'll be giving these guys
a lot of money!!!

      Charley Buehner         "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Havre, Montana          http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"              '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"              '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

As far as I'm concerned Mondello is a rip off artist. Just PST and get them
to tell you the brand names of all parts and any other important info. These
engine kits usually are a great deal just remeber you get what you pay for
so check each part to make sure its what you want. They sometimes try to
through in one or two lower quality parts to keep the cost down but they
will usually upgrade it on request.



>I know Mondello is *the* Olds place, but other places have the parts as well,
>and I'm not necessarily willing to pay the premium for the Mondello name. I
>will probably go with his 16-18 cam, though, since it's the heart of the
>engine and he has sorted this kind of thing out probably better than anyone.
>
>Any clue as to when his technical manual will be out? Yeah, I know it's going
>to come out "next month"... But seriously, any information on when?
>
>
>

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 10:50:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Big block valves in #7 head?

If your building a low RPM engine stick with the small valves you'll save
money and make more torque where you need it. Large valves really only work
at high RPM or big cubic inches.


>I hope to soon have a set of bare #7 heads, and would like to fit them with
>2.00" intake and 1.625" exhaust valves for my 403.
>
>I've already got a set of these valves in excellent shape from a 1970 455 (in
>which I'd like to put 2.07" and 1.71" valves), and was wondering whether they
>would fit my small block heads? I'll be getting a full valve job, so I could
>correct any valve angle mismatch when the new seats are cut.
>
>Any advice on this? The motor is going to be a relatively low rpm engine, and
>I plan on using Mondello's 16-18 cam in it.
>
>
>

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:39:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Older engine parts

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437
Hello again....   couple of things...  older engine parts.....

as you may remember... i have a 47 and a 48 olds.  both are 238 cu. in.
in line, flat head, 6 cyl., cast iron block with the hydra-matic
transmission.

does anyone know where i can get an engine rebuild kit that is
complete??

also, transmission rebuild kits?


has anyone ever tried rebuilding engines like the ones described (or
transmissions)?   any suggestions???


thanks

- --joe  (the college student)

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 11:53:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[6]: Radio question

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454

hi...  couple of things....  my computer was going crazy the other day,
and i sent out a message about hooking up a "walkman" to the origional
speakers...   did it make it to the group??

also... i have a 48 olds  that has an AM radio (6 tube deluxe).   I'm
located in western NY (about 2 hours from niagra falls) and my AM can
pick up stations from northern canada, to washington D.C., and Kansas
(on good days even further).

If you are going into car shows with "origional" oldsmobiles, stick with
the origional radios (just my opinion)  If you want good tunes, hook up
the speaker wire to your caar speakers (and also leave the origional
radio attached) run the speaker wire to the glove box, connect it to a
walkman jack.... and wah-la!  new tunes!   while keeping the origional
radio functional and you can plug in a walkman, cd player, or tape
player.  if you need the tunes louder.... hook up an amp (radio shack
sells one for about $10.  it runs off a 9 volt.


the new tunes stays hidden, the old tunes still work, and at the shows,
you can leave the "new tunes" playing without running your battery down!

Gotta run, are there any opinions on this?

- --joe (the college student)

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 12:07:15 -0400
Subject: Hot Roddin' an Olds!

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437

Hey there!  i have a 47 olds fastback.   I want to put in a 350.

should i change the suspension?
Frabricating Motor Mounts....   is it difficult?

I heard that any GM Transmission will bolt on to an olds as long as it
is from a 350 engine.  is this true?  I would like an automatic
tranny...   but how is this in a vehicle that will be towing another
vehicle that weighs about 2700 lbs.?

I would like to hook up options like a/c, ps./pb, cruise control, etc.
what kind of a load can this engine take while towing?

any info. is appreciated.   (also, this is my first rod.  any general
suggestions or problems you'ld see me running into??)


- --joe   (the college student)  <jjf96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>


(Oh and i see that there is a jerkey boys fan out there!  Hey there
sizzle chest! they call me rubber neck!  Shall i bring all of my shoes,
and my glasses??  so i have them!??)

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 16:44:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 60's tranny's?

> >What auto trannies were used by Olds from 1960 to 1970? What year was the
> >turbo 400 1st used? 350? Any 3 speed autos before these? Were they any
good? > >Was the Olds name for the powerglide " Jetaway"? Did it differ from
the Chevy > >variety?  Could you get a 4 speed before the 64 442 in anything? >
> > > 	Ok, the way I understand it, Olds used a "Dual Path Hydramatic"
(similar to the Buick unit I would assume) from the early 50s (forget exactly
when) to 1956, when the first Jetaway was introduced. 	That was the "Dual
Coupling Jetaway 4-speed Hydramatic".  Thats right, a 4 speed auto!  From the
pics I have seen, it looks like it has 2 torque converters in it (thus the
dual coupling designation).  Why it does I'm not really sure.  The first one
had a run from '56 to '59, and the second model ran from '59 through '60 (the
one I have in my 98), but I think differences were minimal. 	In 1961 the
"Three Speed Hydramatic" was adopted, with a scaled down version used in the
F-85.  That tranny was used until 1963, when the 2 speed Jetaway was adopted.
I'm not really sure of it's relation to the "slip -n- slide powerglide",
though. 	According to my manual, three speed syncromesh manuals were
available during this whole time, although I've never actually seen one. I
think they were the standard trans on the various 88 models, with the auto
optional, and the auto standard on 98s.  If Olds ever offered a 4 speed
manual on any of it's mid 50s to early 60s cars it would probibly be extremly
rare. 	Anyway, I hope this helps.  I don't really know much about what
Olds offered past 63, but I'm sure someone here does. 	 	 
			Scott 		1960
Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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