
oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 28 March 1996      Volume 01 : Number 130


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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:00 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 66TORO Chrome Wheels 

>Anyone know where I can find a set of Chrome wheels for the 66 TORONADO?
>
>I have a good set of steel wheels as partial trade.

Again, try Chris Witt (wittchri@pilot.msu.edu) - tell him I sent you.  He's
got a set I'd buy, but the shipping would kill me!  BTW, you HAVE to have a
set - I have them on mine, and they look great, even if they need rechromed!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

Did you see my post a few days ago?  There is a complete car here in Nashville
Tn.  1967 Toro with the chrome wheels.  You might get a few more goodies along
with the car.
DAvid.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt,edu

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From: proietto@dow.on.doe.ca (Proietto, F.)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:01:15 -0400
Subject: TESTing server

I'm not receieving any mail. The server down or is it my network?


Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:03:06 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 84 H/O 

Jason,
What does the "THUNDER AND LIGHTNING" price guide say about the 350 powered
'74s?  Im Curious.  The NADA Blue book doennt go quite that high on the 84's. 
I'm moving this weekend but I havent packed away that little book.  I will check
what it sez about '74's
David.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++


According to the latest issue of "Thunder and Lightning", the official 
publication of the Hurst/Olds Club of America, the 84 prices are as follows:

Excellent $14,250
Very Good $13,000
Good      $ 9,800
Fair      $ 5,750
Poor      $ 3,200
Averages  $ 9,200
......too bad your parts car is a 76. I need a header panel,fender, etc 
off a 75 Cutlass

Jason Labay                                            jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
Akron, Ohio                                            xdsg80a@prodigy.com    
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25                                                          
1988 Camaro Z/28 CFI 305...soon to be LT4                                     

On Tue, 26 Mar 1996 lloyd.mcg@mail.BMTS.com wrote:

>        
> 
>         I currently own a 84 Hurst/Olds with 120,000km. It has a T roof,
> air, p/w, p/t and all the H/O toys. I was wondering if any one on the list
> could give me an idea as to how much it might be worth. I live along the
> shore of Lake Huron in Ontario. I am the third owner of the car. I know who
> the other two owners were and I've owned the car since '88. I haven't heard
> any price for theese cars lately and would appeciate any input you might have.
> 
>         I also have a 76 Cutlass supreme parts car. It has the factory
> installed "hurst hatch" option. If anyone is interested in the hatch or any
> other parts off it let me know.
> 
> 
>    lloyd.mcg@bmts.com
>    84 H/O
>    75 Cutlass s
>    79 Trans am  10th annivsary edition
>          
> 
> 
>  Lloyd J. McGillivray
>  lloyd.mcg@mail.bmts.com                           
> 
> 
> 

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:22:12 -0400
Subject: Re: TESTing server

It was (apparently) last Thursday and Friday.  I didn't get nothin' 
either.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:26:53 -0400
Subject: Re[3]: 84 H/O 

Jason,
What does the "THUNDER AND LIGHTNING" price guide say about the 350 powered
'74s?  Im Curious.  The NADA Blue book doennt go quite that high on the 84's. 
I'm moving this weekend but I havent packed away that little book.  I will check
what it sez about '74's.......OOPS I MEAN 84's  (DAVID)
David.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++


According to the latest issue of "Thunder and Lightning", the official 
publication of the Hurst/Olds Club of America, the 84 prices are as follows:

Excellent $14,250
Very Good $13,000
Good      $ 9,800
Fair      $ 5,750
Poor      $ 3,200
Averages  $ 9,200
......too bad your parts car is a 76. I need a header panel,fender, etc 
off a 75 Cutlass

Jason Labay                                            jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
Akron, Ohio                                            xdsg80a@prodigy.com    
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25                                                          
1988 Camaro Z/28 CFI 305...soon to be LT4                                     

On Tue, 26 Mar 1996 lloyd.mcg@mail.BMTS.com wrote:

>        
> 
>         I currently own a 84 Hurst/Olds with 120,000km. It has a T roof,
> air, p/w, p/t and all the H/O toys. I was wondering if any one on the list
> could give me an idea as to how much it might be worth. I live along the
> shore of Lake Huron in Ontario. I am the third owner of the car. I know who
> the other two owners were and I've owned the car since '88. I haven't heard
> any price for theese cars lately and would appeciate any input you might have.
> 
>         I also have a 76 Cutlass supreme parts car. It has the factory
> installed "hurst hatch" option. If anyone is interested in the hatch or any
> other parts off it let me know.
> 
> 
>    lloyd.mcg@bmts.com
>    84 H/O
>    75 Cutlass s
>    79 Trans am  10th annivsary edition
>          
> 
> 
>  Lloyd J. McGillivray
>  lloyd.mcg@mail.bmts.com                           
> 
> 
> 

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From: conrad <rad19@icon.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:06:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 66TORO Chrome Wheels

david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu wrote:
> 
>...
> 
> Did you see my post a few days ago?  There is a complete car here in Nashville
> Tn.  1967 Toro with the chrome wheels.  You might get a few more goodies along
> with the car.
> DAvid.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt,edu


David, I missed it somehow.. can you repost or tell me more about it?  
Thanks, Conrad

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:58:10 -0400
Subject: Olds for sale from usenet 

From: js048@randr.com (gens 19-John Sanner   )
Subject: FS 65 Olds 98 Convertible, Dayton,OH
Message-ID: <Doo9J2.52A@randr.com>
Sender: news@randr.com


Red with black power top. All power. 59,000 original miles. 
Very Good condition.  One of only 4903 built.

Make offer.


e-mail: js048@randr.com    - or
          john_sanner@reyrey.com 
          ag588@dayton.wright.edu
Day phone: 513-443-2272

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:06:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Hydraulic vs. Mechanical Cams...was Re: Re[2]: 1986 OLDS 442 

>>   Just wanted to know:  what is the difference between the hydraulic
>> camshaft & a non-hydraulic one?  
>> 
>	Well, a hydraulic camshaft uses hydraulic lifters, and a 
>mechanical cam uses solid lifters. :)

[good analysis of lifters snipped...]

Um, actually I took the original question to mean, basically, "Will the
same camshaft work with either hydraulic lifters or non-hydraulic lifters?"
IOW, does the type of lifter have any effect on cam profile required?

>	So, anyway, I hope this helps clear things up.  And sorry this is 
>so long...when I get going it's hard to stop.  Who was it that said they 
>could write 5 pages on how to empty an ashtray?  :)

That would be me. Actually I threatened _six_ pages, not five.  ;-)
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:17:59 -0400
Subject: Re: More Vista Cruiser Questions 

At 01:13 AM 3/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> > Oh, DUH! Yes, that's right... For '72, the door key
>> >also operated the glovebox and tailgate.
>> 
>> Sorry, but they don't.  See other message.  My '72 convertible used the
>> square key for the doors and ignition and the round key for the trunk and
>> glovebox.  VC's used the square for everything *but* the glove box.  Those
>> guys @ Olds really liked to confuse people.

Oh, crud. Well, in my defense, here's why I said that: our old '69 Pontiac
wagon used the square key for everything but the glove box, whereas our '72
Pontiac LeMans used the _round_ key for everything but the _ignition_. So I
assumed that the '72 Olds would have the same key system as the '72 Pontiac,
not a '69 anything. I know Olds had different key code letters than Pontiac,
but the functions ought to be the same. Right.

>I always thought it made sense to have one key for the ignition, and
>one for everything else.  That way, on cold days, you could start the
>car to warm it up.  Lock it, and finish your breakfast.

Which is how they used to do it. Still, for all the years I had my '82,
I could remove the ignition key in any switch position, which allowed me
to lock the car with the engine running while I ran into the 7 Eleven,
for example. Some malfunctions are not meant to be fixed.  :-)
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:52:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Sold! 

>From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
>On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 David1756@aol.com wrote:
>>> I wrote:
>>> The '82 Cutlass is now under new management; specifically, Bryce Smith's
>>> manager, Keith Wood (snip)
>> Say, Andy now that you have all that cash burning up in yo pocket how would
>> you like to buy my 68 Rebel Convertible?  I am lowering the price daily as
>> I wait for your reply.

Er... um... Hey, why don't you call up Click and Clack and offer to sell it
to them? Isn't Tom crazy about those cars? He's got a '64 already, I think.

> Actually, Andy, what *are* you driving these days? Another Olds on the 
> horizon perhaps?

Okay, I figured it was only a matter of time before somebody asked that.

I am currently driving--

uh, before I go any further I _would_ like to point out that this _is_ a
GM product...

I am currently driving--

oh, and I would _also_ like to mention that I _did_ check out the Olds 88
LSS, but found it a little too grown-up for my tastes...

I am currently driving....

A 1993 Pontiac 3.8L supercharged Bonneville SSEi. It's white. I love it.

Our own Bryceman enjoyed a sixteen mile ride in it last week, too, and
while I'm sure he prefers his Apprehender, no complaints were noted from
the back seat of the Bonneville. ("Hey, Andy, does this thing go any faster?")

Incidentally, yesterday evening my order from Helm, Inc., arrived via UPS.
I had copied the order form in the back of the owner's manual to get a
fresh copy of the manual from them (the dealer swiped an old copy from a
different car as a loaner, and is paying for this new one), and ordered 
the service manual at the same time.

Wow. If you haven't ordered the manuals for _your_ car, leave work early
today, go home and do it. The Bonneville manual(s) turned out to be two
volumes, one electrical/diagnosis, the other everything else. All the
secrets of the car are revealed here. Inexplicably the packing slip showed
the price of the service manual as $90, whereas the original order form
from the owner's manual, just two years old, had it as $43, but they cashed 
my check anyway and didn't seem to care about the discrepancy.

The new owner's manual that Helm sent came with a Bingo package of its own,
too: In addition to the paperback manual and a nice vinyl binder was a 
warranty booklet that I didn't even know I was missing, a plastic wallet-key
emergency door key in what looks like a nice suede-leather business card 
holder with Pontiac logo, and a cassette tape (!) extolling the virtues of 
Your New Bonneville. Side 2 is devoted to "Radio Controls". Actually I have 
a CD player in it instead of a cassette deck, so I suppose I shall have to 
play the tape in the house, pause it where necessary, run outside, jump in 
the car, operate the controls as the tape says, get out, run back in the 
house, listen to a bit more of the tape, etc. This may be a problem, but I
could use the exercise anyway.

Future Olds? Certainly. Next big item on the agenda is a bigger house, and
especially My Own Garage (my wife picks the house; I review its garage).
At that point I'll probably be lusting after a nice 442, either late '60's
or mid-'80's. The trick is to do all this and somehow keep Junior's college
fund going. ("No problem, dear; when he's ready for college we'll, um, sell
the Bonneville for tuition!")

Question: didn't somebody here mention a new factory combination CD/cassette
deck for the '96 models? Did it appear that it might retro-fit into a '93?
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:06:53 -0400
Subject: Re: More Vista Cruiser Questions 

At 01:13 AM 3/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> > Oh, DUH! Yes, that's right... For '72, the door key
>> >also operated the glovebox and tailgate.
>> 
>> Sorry, but they don't.  See other message.  My '72 convertible used the
>> square key for the doors and ignition and the round key for the trunk and
>> glovebox.  VC's used the square for everything *but* the glove box.  Those
>> guys @ Olds really liked to confuse people.

This is starting to get extremely confusing. My 72 Hearse uses one square key
for the ignition...a different square key for the doors....and finally
a round key for the glovebox.

go figure



- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:04:03 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Hydraulic vs. Mechanical Cams...was Re: Re[2]: 1986 O 

I was sort of suprised at all the good information in the "How it works" section
of the current issue of Hot Rod (April, 96) on camshafts and other valve train 
parts.  

Worth the $3.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:22:40 -0400
Subject: '57 Olds J-2 for sale 

>57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800

what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?




- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Cary Yamamoto <yamamoto@unr.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:51:17 -0400
Subject: more cars for sale

Hey folks,

there are more cars here for sale.

'67 cutlass
99,000 miles
original owner
Grandma's car
very clean

1941 Olds Coupe
on a Ford subrame
you finish it

Or course there is a number of cultasses in the late 70's for several 
hundred, etc., etc.



Cary Yamamoto                                 University of NV, Reno
Coordinator,                                  Prospective Students/110
Prospective Students                          Reno, NV  89557
                                              (702) 784-4865 
	                                      (702) 784-1852 fax	 

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:56:11 -0400
Subject: Re: More Vista Cruiser Questions

> >I always thought it made sense to have one key for the ignition, and
> >one for everything else.  That way, on cold days, you could start the
> >car to warm it up.  Lock it, and finish your breakfast.
> 
> Which is how they used to do it. Still, for all the years I had my '82,
> I could remove the ignition key in any switch position, which allowed me
> to lock the car with the engine running while I ran into the 7 Eleven,
> for example. Some malfunctions are not meant to be fixed.  :-)

I had a '75 88, that had that removable key feature.  It also allowed
you to turn the ignition switch to off, and keep the engine running,
(only if the headlights were on).  Naturally, you could easily shut
the engine off at that point by opening the driver's side door.

I think Oldsmobile offered that in '75 as the "Demon Possession"
of "Screw with your Passenger's Mind" feature.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | These opinions are strictly my own,           _____ 
lawrencr@gdls.com |       ____                               ____/__O__\____ 
(810) 825-8007    |   ___<____>======                       /===/-------\===\
                  |  <o_o_o_o_o_o> Tanks, for your support! \___\-------/___/

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From: Lucas Frick <frick@macrochip.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:16:53 -0400
Subject: 12 bolt rear end for 71 442

Does anyone know who rebuilds rear ends?  The 10 bolt posi can't take 
the abuse.  I would like to install a professionally built 12 bolt posi. 
Can "open" rear ends be changed to posi units and does this involve 
changing the gears?

Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:07:45 -0400
Subject: Re: More Vista Cruiser Questions

> >> Sorry, but they don't.  See other message.  My '72 convertible used the
> >> square key for the doors and ignition and the round key for the trunk and
> >> glovebox.  VC's used the square for everything *but* the glove box.  Those
> >> guys @ Olds really liked to confuse people.
> 
> This is starting to get extremely confusing. My 72 Hearse uses one square key
> for the ignition...a different square key for the doors....and finally
> a round key for the glovebox.
> 
> go figure

I would guess that means that sometime in the past 24 years someone
swapped out the ignition, so it needs a different key, now.

My '70 98 uses the square key for the ignition and doors, and the round
key for the trunk and glovebox.

Okay, these are the combinations I have seen:
	1 key for everything
	1 key for glovebox, 1 key for everything else
	1 key for doors & ignition, 1 key for trunk & glovebox
	1 key for ignition, 1 key for everything else

We'll get to the bottom of this, yet.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | These opinions are strictly my own,           _____ 
lawrencr@gdls.com |       ____                               ____/__O__\____ 
(810) 825-8007    |   ___<____>======                       /===/-------\===\
                  |  <o_o_o_o_o_o> Tanks, for your support! \___\-------/___/

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:47:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser operation questions 

> Bummer redux.

Hey, I think I jammed with those guys, man... :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist...

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:53:38 -0400
Subject: Stuffs

Well, the 3x2 intake deal fell thru- 'twas sold before the guy could get to it.
Kinda leaves me holding the bag cuz I BOUGHT the Pontiac unit to swap with.
Humf. Well, he says he did find a SMALL BLOCK 2x4 intake, Edlebrock or similar,
for cheap- anyone interested? make a killer 403, with some 7a heads...

15" chrome rim wheels do indeed exist- many are hereabouts. I bought a set last
year at a yard sale,  NOS. The await a Purpose In Life. No, not for sale. I can
get the ID numbers off them if anybody needs that info. One local expert says
that there were "a lot" of them around lately, but I dunno where.

The 67 98 will almost undoubtedly have a 425-4V HC engine, not a bad little
unit. The main pitfall being that pesky 45 degree cam bank angle that almost
all pre-68 engines had, which rather limits cam selection. But, you CAN still
get the cam, you just have to shop a bit more that going the the local *hevy
store. Oh, the 425 will have a forged crank, shorter stroke than a 455,
better revving? I know Mr. Race car LOVES his Toro 425- cut a SECOND off
his 1/4 mile times compared to the 68 442-head 455 engine [7/8 high
compression, 1/8 low compression!] engine he WAS running. Best selling point: a
67 BB will have C heads.

Speaking of which, just sold 3 sets yesterday. Now I can get the parts back
from the machine shop. :)

Ah, the air-vacuum pump brake bleeder you mention- it apparently uses the
venturi effect to create a vacuum from increasing the air speed [Bernoulli
effect? whatever...]  So, it's just applying vacuum, like I was doing, only
creating that vacuum with fast air rather than a diaphragm pump or piston pump.
One trouble I had was that a rear wheel cylinder had lost its dust seal. When I
applied too much vacuum [over about 10" acc. to the gage] it would suck in new
air from the wheel cylinder's seal. The seal's designed to hold presurized
fluid IN, not air OUT... and w/o that dust seal in place, it just sneaked right
past the seal lip.

Chilton's/ Motor's manuals: Yeah, I like Chilton's easy 3-step process: 1-
remove engine [5 hours later....] 2- fix problem, 3- reinstall in reverse
order. Oh, and let's not forget Motor's piston-cyl wall clearance, listed as
0.0075" for the Olds engines. Gee, thunk I, that seems like a LOT, the most
other Co's recommend here is maybe 2-3 thou... Then I got a REAL factory
service manual, and it list the P-C clearance as... 0.00075", or less than *1*
thousandth, not *seven &1/2* thousandths! Oh, geez, did we leave out a zero?
Hope that wasn't IMPORTANT!  Imagine how many engines got rebuilt to 0.0075"
clearance.... "say, sounds kinda loud there... lotsa piston slap, but it's a
fresh-rebuilt engine, to the book specs!"

Found a bit of startling/depressing news... was trying to salvage a set of #7
heads... They needed some work... was looking at installing hard xst seats, was
clueless how much it cost...
  Well, it's $10 PER SEAT just for installation, plus $5.60 or so PER SEAT for
the seat insert. Sheesh. Scratch that.
  Lesson: If it's early heads yer looking for, GET 1972 7a HEADS!!! Already
have the hard seats, right? Save close to $150 on preparing the pair right
there.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:58:44 -0400
Subject: frozen fasteners

Trick I heard a while back, works as well as most others if not better-

For freeing frozen fateners, O2 sensors, etc. apply heat, then a candle. Let
the wax [presumably parrafin sealing wax is as good] penetrate & lubricate. I
have had success as good as any penetrating oil on xst bolts, etc. with this
method. My torch kit and toolbox now contain wax at all times.

Also, for bolts, IF you have the clearance, etc., like xst man bolts on an
engine that's on the stand- use a big punch and the BIGGEST hammer you have-
smack it HARD on the bolt head, in line with the bolt. Does wonders to break
that rust bond. Sometimes you can hammer a metric 6-point socket onto the bolt,
which of course has rusted to nowhere near 9/16" anymore, but not down to 1/2"
either. The press fit will avoid stripping the head round. Instead, you get to
snap off the whole bolt :)
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:17:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Hydraulic vs. Mechanical Cams...was Re: Re[2]: 1986 OLDS 442

> >>   Just wanted to know:  what is the difference between the hydraulic
> >> camshaft & a non-hydraulic one?  
> >> 
> >	Well, a hydraulic camshaft uses hydraulic lifters, and a 
> >mechanical cam uses solid lifters. :)
> 
> [good analysis of lifters snipped...]
> 
> Um, actually I took the original question to mean, basically, "Will the
> same camshaft work with either hydraulic lifters or non-hydraulic lifters?"
> IOW, does the type of lifter have any effect on cam profile required?
> 

	The different types of cams are *not* interchangeable.  Hydraulic 
and mechanical cams are different, so if you want to change to either 
type you have to get the whole bag 'o goodies.  Same goes for roller cams 
as far as I know.  And besides, whenever you put in a new cam, you should 
replace the lifters at the same time.  Bad things in store if you don't.  
Or you could just look at it as a mightaswell...ie- "well, since I'm 
replacing the cam, mightaswell get the lifters too."  |)
	
		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:14:49 -0400
Subject: Special Options...was Re: More Vista Cruiser Questions

> > Which is how they used to do it. Still, for all the years I had my '82,
> > I could remove the ignition key in any switch position, which allowed me
> > to lock the car with the engine running while I ran into the 7 Eleven,
> > for example. Some malfunctions are not meant to be fixed.  :-)
> 
> I had a '75 88, that had that removable key feature.  It also allowed
> you to turn the ignition switch to off, and keep the engine running,
> (only if the headlights were on).  Naturally, you could easily shut
> the engine off at that point by opening the driver's side door.
> 
> I think Oldsmobile offered that in '75 as the "Demon Possession"
> of "Screw with your Passenger's Mind" feature.
> 

	I had a 71 VW that had the "Demon Possesion" option *package* 
code 666, that included "mystery wireing problems" that allowed you to 
use the headlight dimmer switch to make the headlights alternate high 
beams like a police car (but both would never be on at the same time), 
and the "strange and bizzar distributor problems" option that would 
conviently burn points for lunch at short intervals.  :)  My 98 seems to 
have a few of these features, but I think they were all aftermarket jobs 
installed by someone who thought they knew what they were doing.

		Scott (tounge planted firmly in cheek)
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:39:22 -0400
Subject: Re[4]: 66TORO Chrome Wheels 

Conrad,
There is a Tote the Note car lot that has a 'reposessed '67 toronado (white)
with some nice equipment back on the lot for sale.,  I don't know how well it
runs nor how much he is asking.  It says MANAGERS SPECIAL on the windshield. 
(yup managers special not Mechanics Special, differences?????)
Let me know and I will stop by,  Car sits in a rough section of town.
david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu wrote:
> 
>...
> 
> Did you see my post a few days ago?  There is a complete car here in Nashville
> Tn.  1967 Toro with the chrome wheels.  You might get a few more goodies along
> with the car.
> DAvid.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt,edu


David, I missed it somehow.. can you repost or tell me more about it?  
Thanks, Conrad

------------------------------

From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:51:00 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio 

Paul,
I am originally from Allentown Pa.  and traveled to about every salvage yard in
Eastern PA.  Have you ever gone to FRITZ's AUTO SALES near Reading?  HE is quite
an opinionated butt head, but he has some real neat stuff.  He sells the whole
car not just parts.  He had a few nifty items like a 1958 Edsel Citation
Convertible, 1961 Chrysler 300 (letter series) conv. and1960 Lincoln Mark Conv
coupe(the last year for convertible coupe') etc.  It was always fun to roam his
yard.
David.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu



********************************************

>I'm in Southeastern PA (Lebanon area) - would be interested in where that
>boneyard is at -- always looking for new ones.  One of the cars is always
>needing something - even if it doesn't know it yet.  How 'bout sharing your
>secret.  Is he open to the public?
>
>Paul Hartlieb
>
>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe

Paul,

Check my earlier posting to Conrad...it's about an hour and 15 minutes up
I-81 from you, off exit 43.  As memory serves me, he MAY have had a '67 98
sedan.  Better call first...enjoy!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

------------------------------

From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:56:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Stuffs 

>Well, the 3x2 intake deal fell thru- 'twas sold before the guy could get to it.
>Kinda leaves me holding the bag cuz I BOUGHT the Pontiac unit to swap with.
>Humf. 

tell me again about this 3x2 intake....is it complete with carbs, linkage,
etc.? how much?  what is that date on it?....i've got a 66 GTO that it would
look suuuweeeeeet on!






- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:29:15 -0400
Subject: Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale

> >57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800
> 
> what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
> or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?
> 

	I've seen complete J2 setups for sale for $800!  (But, that could 
just be somebody living in a pipedream thinking "Hey, I've got this rare 
carb setup...bet it's worth a mint!!")  What it's worth is of course only 
what somebody is willing to pay for it.  :)  If it's a complete car, and 
runs ok it would make a good resto project.  I can tell you from 
experience that parts for 56 to 58 Oldsmobiles are farily 
plentiful...lots of repro stuff.  (At least a lot more than for my 60)  
They seem like fairly popular resto projects...
	Thoes 57s look *really* cool too!
	
		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 

------------------------------

From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:52:24 -0400
Subject: carb question

I have a few questions about my carb on my delta.  It's a stock 
Rochester 4mv model(i think.)  it seems to idle very high before I 
kick it down, and it seems the hot idle solidnoid does nothing. Or is 
it an a/c solinoid on the drivers side of the carb?  Also when you do 
a full throttle acceleration (4-barrell wide open) it smells like a very 
bad gas leak, and reaks for a few minutes, even inside the car.  
This carb was replaced in 1986 or so, and hasn't had a rebuild since. 
Does it need a rebuild, a cleaning, or just replace it with a holley 
smog legal one?

Thanks Again.


Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale

{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}

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From: bespes1@dakota.isd77.k12.mn.us (Brian Espeset)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:28:01 -0400
Subject: Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale 

>> >57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800
>> 
>> what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
>> or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?
>> 
>
>        I've seen complete J2 setups for sale for $800!  (But, that could 
>just be somebody living in a pipedream thinking "Hey, I've got this rare 
>carb setup...bet it's worth a mint!!")  What it's worth is of course only 
>what somebody is willing to pay for it.  :)  If it's a complete car, and 
>runs ok it would make a good resto project.  I can tell you from 
>experience that parts for 56 to 58 Oldsmobiles are farily 
>plentiful...lots of repro stuff.  (At least a lot more than for my 60)  
>They seem like fairly popular resto projects...
>        Thoes 57s look *really* cool too!
>        
>                Scott
>        1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 


Scott ,  it is not a bad deal if it has the aircleaner.  If any of the
parts are good  such as bumpers, hood and trunk trim it helps.  the door
trim is almost worthless.  Any wonderbar radios, power antenna etc are
worth something.  Let me know if it is something you don't want  Thanks
Brian

Technology Education

------------------------------

From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:06:54 -0400
Subject: Olds Page T-Shirts 

I want to thank everyone who has ordered T-shirts and been so patient in waiting all this time. I still have only received $$ for 12 shirts...
*** but went ahead and ordered my 20 shirt minimum today! *** :-)
The screen printer said it could take up to two weeks for me to get them, but rest assured, they are on the way. I will keep everyone posted as things develop. Thanks again.


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:51:00 -0400
Subject: Canadian Parts and Cars For Sale

>From "Old Autos", the Canadian old-car newspaper... FYI.
(please note there are a lot of dreamers here this time!)

Cars:
1947 Olds Series 66 Club Coupe, professionally restored in 1987, two-tone 
blue, runs and drives excellent, $13,900. Cobourg, Ont. 905-372-6009

1953 Olds Super 88 convert, southern car, restored original, $28,000, 
consider mid to late 50s 2-dr hdtp as partial trade. Stan, Picton, Ont., 
613-476-4803 eve/wknd.

1968 Toronado (the butt-ugly one) sport model, nice shape, $4995 US. 
Charles Bennett, Port Huron, Mich., 810-985-5073

1968 Toronado (see above), silver/black, loaded, $6000 OBO. Purdy, Ont., 
613-756-2688  

1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme, 88,000 miles, blue/white, 350, rallyes, 
buckets, posi, body good, $1500. Belleville, Ont., 613-962-8267

1972 Olds 4-4-2 convert, red/white, 455, auto, ps, pb, great looking, 
strong runner, $9,500. Bill, Brockville, Ont., 613-342-1215

1981 Delta 88 2-door, excellent condition, 1 owner, 70,500km., $4500 OBO. 
Toronto, 416-766-1547

Parts:

1954 Olds factory fender skirts, $100. Cornwall, Ont. 613-932-3565

1977 Cutlass salon 2-door, parting out, 350, good drivetrain, buckets, 
console, rallyes. Ed, Strathroy, Ont.,519-246-1064

Rebuilt 371 Olds engine, 8000 miles, plus trans., $2800 (!). Leo, Oshawa, 
Ont., 905-655-4645

Wheelcovers: 1966 Olds wires (3-bar), 1961 Olds, 1963 Olds w/spinners. 
Welland, Ont., 905-732-0434

1941 Olds shop manual, excellent Canadian edition, $50. St Catherines, 
Ont., 905-937-2946

All prices in Canadian dollars (multiply by approx. 75% for US) unless 
otherwise noted.  

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: proietto@dow.on.doe.ca (Proietto, F.)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:17:52 -0400
Subject: I'M back -- HEI stuff

We just installed a new fire wall and our mail was being held back. Looks ok 
now..

Anyway, what I did with my '77 distributor in my '72 350. I added the accll 
recureve kit. I bouhjt it at my local Canadian Tire. For you souther folk, 
it's a specialty auto/hardware all store. The kit I think cost about $10. I 
used all my stock dist. components (ie. resistor, condensor...) Only thing I 
chaged was the wieght and spings. I used the lighter springs and they made a 
hell of a difference. 

Now i know i should of changed the pink wire but I think it's brown for me. 
Ther's also an unshield wire the old coild used. I put both the unshielded 
and brown wire to the connector on the cap. Anyone know if this should be 
chnaged? I wonder if these wires can handle the extra load. I have to look 
into this some more.



 

Regards
Fernando Proietto

------------------------------

From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:23:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Stuffs 

Chris, I recently pick up a set of 7a heads for $15 a piece from a local
U-pull it yard.  I had to look at about 100 Olds's until I found an '80 4
door with an implant from 72.  It was such a relief to look under the hood
and see gold instead of blue....  Oh well, back to the subject.  What size
intake and exhaust valves would you use in these heads?  I have a set of BB J
heads that I was going to use the 2" intakes out of and leave the exhaust
alone.  BTW, what are the original valve sizes on the 403 and 350's?  I've
heard and read about 3 different sizes and I was wondering if anybody knew by
actually measuring them.  (BTW, I am using the heads on a 403...) Thanks for
the help....  
                      Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com

------------------------------

From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:26:33 -0400
Subject: Bryce's web page... 

Today both my 86 442 and 79 Cutlass were added to Bryce's Olds registry.  If
anybody has any comments or questions on how or why I did something, let me
know!  I would be glad to answer them!   Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:55:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio ... 

In a message dated 96-03-26 22:57:47 EST, you write:

>> I've still got that '70 AM radio (with the cool "Oldsmobile" on the
>buttons)
>
>That's interesting -- I don't think I've ever seen one with the letters on
>the pushbuttons, only above the dial where the flipper lever would be on the
>am/fm

Ooops, that's right, it's not on the buttons, but above the dial (when I
wrote that, I thought "hmmm, how did they divide up the letters to fit on the
buttons..?") I haven't taken a look at it in years, so thanks for correcting
me.

>>BTW, does anyone know the "real" name for this type of radio? I've been
>>calling it the flippin' dial radio, but GM must have come up with a better
>>name than that! (though "Wonderbar" is a tough name to beat.
>
>Well, now you made dig out my '70 - '72 product selling feature albums.
> Here's something interesting.  That radio was option code U69 AM/FM
monaural
>pushbutton radio, price $135.00 (that's not the interesting part).  The
>interesting part is that an AM/FM monaural radio is not listed as an option
>for '70 or '71, only an AM/FM stereo radio.  Looks like the AM/FM monaural
is
>a '72 only option.  So, from '67 thru '69 you could order a monaural, for
'70
>& '71 you could order a stereo, and for '72 you could order either.  No, the
>'67 thru '69 radios did not have a flipper dial and they were not Wonderbar
>models like the full size ones where.  Oh, the challenges of being an Olds
>salesman back then!
>
>Now, here something else,  I'm pretty sure that from '73 on you could order
>either a monaural (like our old '77 C/S) or a stereo, but they only used
that
>flipper dial for '72.  I had a teacher in junior high that had a '74 Grand
>Safari wagon and he had a flipper dial on his am/fm (don't know if it was a
>stereo or not), he also had gas & brake pedals that you could adjust the
>height on.  How 'bout that!

So I happened to pick up a one-year only option on my VC? Cool... But I guess
I should still sell it (assuming it works, which I check out Sat.) Too bad it
is only mono; did the flipper dial ever come on a stereo unit for the other
divisions? Or does anyone know of the flippin' dial radio being installed in
any other Olds'?

And adjustable pedals? Boy, they had more gimmicks than I realized... But
that would be a useful gimmick, at least.

>And why in the world do you want to take the woodgrain off and polish the
>paint on a parts car!?  Are the neighbors getting restless?

Well, I had been pondering putting this family truckster on the road again,
but I've pretty much committed myself to stripping it bare by Easter, and
having the bare shell hauled off (as a present to my dad) immediately
afterwards. I've got my '70 SX that I should get serious about, and since
I've got a working suspension on the VC, I may just put it all on the SX to
make it at least *rolling* again (It has been up on jackstands for as long as
I care to remember..)

 So, if anyone needs some '72 parts, let me know by Easter; Blue exterior,
blue interior, dash in good shape, front bumper seems good, glass is good,
but most exterior metal is rusty or dented (hood especially).

Oh, and *I'm* keeping the 7a heads, but the 350 shortblock is available
(located in southern Connecticut, 50mi east of NYC).

------------------------------

From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:58:12 -0400
Subject: I need some advice... 

Today my local 'auto trader' paper came out and I found a 455 from a '71 Toro
for sale for $125.  I called the guy and he told me the motor has G heads on
it but he also has 1 set of C's and 2 sets of E's.  I am interested in
building a stout 455 and was wondering if this block and crank were good
cores and what heads would be the best to start out with.  Any help would be
appreciated!  Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com 

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio ... 

>Ooops, that's right, it's not on the buttons, but above the dial (when I
>wrote that, I thought "hmmm, how did they divide up the letters to fit on the
>buttons..?")

Why, it's very simple:

    [ OL ][ DS ][ MO ][ BI ][ LE]

>>>BTW, does anyone know the "real" name for this type of radio? I've been
>>>calling it the flippin' dial radio, but GM must have come up with a better
>>>name than that! (though "Wonderbar" is a tough name to beat.

Knowing GM, it could be something like "Flipmatic", "Swivo-Tuner",
"Roll-o-Dial", "Turn-o-Tuner"... um... oh, here's the Cadillac version:

(deep breath)

DYNO-TURNORAMA-VERTI-ROLLOMATIC-TUNEMASTER-HYPER-SWIVEL-SIGNALTRON

>So I happened to pick up a one-year only option on my VC? Cool... But I guess
>I should still sell it (assuming it works, which I check out Sat.) Too bad it
>is only mono; did the flipper dial ever come on a stereo unit for the other
>divisions?

Yes, I have one extracted from a '77 Firebird; the stereo indicator light
is set into the FM side of the flipdial.

Pontiac probably called this the TURBO-TUNE option, when the original
proposed name of FLIP-BIRD ran into unspecified difficulties during a
committee meeting.

*GACK* Somebody stop me before I name anything else!
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:24:48 -0400
Subject: Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale

Brian Espeset wrote:
> 
> >> >57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800
> >>
> >> what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
> >> or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?
> >>
> >
> >        I've seen complete J2 setups for sale for $800!  (But, that could
> >just be somebody living in a pipedream thinking "Hey, I've got this rare
> >carb setup...bet it's worth a mint!!")  What it's worth is of course only
> >what somebody is willing to pay for it.  :)  If it's a complete car, and
> >runs ok it would make a good resto project.  I can tell you from
> >experience that parts for 56 to 58 Oldsmobiles are farily
> >plentiful...lots of repro stuff.  (At least a lot more than for my 60)
> >They seem like fairly popular resto projects...
> >        Thoes 57s look *really* cool too!
> >
> >                Scott
> >        1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> 
> Scott ,  it is not a bad deal if it has the aircleaner.  If any of the
> parts are good  such as bumpers, hood and trunk trim it helps.  the door
> trim is almost worthless.  Any wonderbar radios, power antenna etc are
> worth something.  Let me know if it is something you don't want  Thanks
> Brian
> 
> Technology Education



Wait a minute? Who is selling this car? I will gladly take it off of their hands if someone will tell me wehat is going on? I 
 already have a '57 and I'm looking for a parts car. If no one want's it I'd love to get it. Please write to me if there is a 
chance in hell I can buy it. aceface@ohana.com

Willie

------------------------------

From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:42:29 -0400
Subject: Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale

Willie wrote:
> 
> Brian Espeset wrote:
> >
> > >> >57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800
> > >>
> > >> what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
> > >> or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?
> > >>
> > >
> > >        I've seen complete J2 setups for sale for $800!  (But, that could
> > >just be somebody living in a pipedream thinking "Hey, I've got this rare
> > >carb setup...bet it's worth a mint!!")  What it's worth is of course only
> > >what somebody is willing to pay for it.  :)  If it's a complete car, and
> > >runs ok it would make a good resto project.  I can tell you from
> > >experience that parts for 56 to 58 Oldsmobiles are farily
> > >plentiful...lots of repro stuff.  (At least a lot more than for my 60)
> > >They seem like fairly popular resto projects...
> > >        Thoes 57s look *really* cool too!
> > >
> > >                Scott
> > >        1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> >
> > Scott ,  it is not a bad deal if it has the aircleaner.  If any of the
> > parts are good  such as bumpers, hood and trunk trim it helps.  the door
> > trim is almost worthless.  Any wonderbar radios, power antenna etc are
> > worth something.  Let me know if it is something you don't want  Thanks
> > Brian
> >
> > Technology Education
> 
> Wait a minute? Who is selling this car? I will gladly take it off of their hands if someone will tell me wehat is going on? I
>  already have a '57 and I'm looking for a parts car. If no one want's it I'd love to get it. Please write to me if there is a
> chance in hell I can buy it. aceface@ohana.com
> 
> Willie


Nevermind! I finally read the whole chain of letters that lead up to this confusing one! =)
Anyway, Dan, if you do get this car I think you could make a lot of instant cash between Brian and me! If you buy it for $800 
I would take the complete engine/tranny off your hands. I would olso be interested in just about anything Brian doesn't want! 
=) Please help out a fellow Olds man I need! =)

Willie

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:48:56 -0400
Subject: Confusion over Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale

> > >> >57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800
> > >>
> > >> what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
> > >> or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?
> > >>
> > >
> > >        I've seen complete J2 setups for sale for $800!  (But, that could
> > >just be somebody living in a pipedream thinking "Hey, I've got this rare
> > >carb setup...bet it's worth a mint!!")  What it's worth is of course only
> > >what somebody is willing to pay for it.  :)  If it's a complete car, and
> > >runs ok it would make a good resto project.  I can tell you from
> > >experience that parts for 56 to 58 Oldsmobiles are farily
> > >plentiful...lots of repro stuff.  (At least a lot more than for my 60)
> > >They seem like fairly popular resto projects...
> > >        Thoes 57s look *really* cool too!
> > >
> > >                Scott
> > >        1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> > 
> 
> Wait a minute? Who is selling this car? I will gladly take it off of their hands if someone will tell me wehat is going on? I 
>  already have a '57 and I'm looking for a parts car. If no one want's it I'd love to get it. Please write to me if there is a 
> chance in hell I can buy it. aceface@ohana.com
> 
> Willie
> 
		Um, there seems to be some confusion here...the original 
poster was considering buying a 57 Olds with the J2 setup (see top).  I 
was responding to his post, saying he should go for it.  Then Brian 
Espeset responded to my post, thinking I was looking at buying it.  Then 
you wondered who was doing what...wait a minute, now I'm getting 
confused. :)  Seriously, though I already nuked the original post, so I 
can't say who it was from.  Guy who posted originally out there?  Anybody 
have the message?  Hope this clears things up...if only a little.
	
		
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:53:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Page T-Shirts 

In a message dated 96-03-27 16:22:59 EST, you write:

>I want to thank everyone who has ordered T-shirts and been so patient in
>waiting all this time. I still have only received $$ for 12 shirts...
>*** but went ahead and ordered my 20 shirt minimum today! *** :-)
>The screen printer said it could take up to two weeks for me to get them,
but
>rest assured, they are on the way. I will keep everyone posted as things
>develop. Thanks again.

How much were those going for? I remember when the topic first came up, but I
don't recall what the conclusion was. As long as the price isn't ridiculous,
I'd be interested.

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:53:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Stuffs 

In a message dated 96-03-27 17:28:45 EST, you write:

>Chris, I recently pick up a set of 7a heads for $15 a piece from a local
>U-pull it yard.  I had to look at about 100 Olds's until I found an '80 4
>door with an implant from 72.  It was such a relief to look under the hood
>and see gold instead of blue....  Oh well, back to the subject.  What size
>intake and exhaust valves would you use in these heads?  I have a set of BB
J
>heads that I was going to use the 2" intakes out of and leave the exhaust
>alone.  BTW, what are the original valve sizes on the 403 and 350's?  I've
>heard and read about 3 different sizes and I was wondering if anybody knew
by
>actually measuring them.  (BTW, I am using the heads on a 403...) Thanks for
>the help....  

Good find on those #7a's! Seems like those are the "heads to get" for the sb
Olds, since they're the only ones with both hardened seats and small
combustion chambers. Especially since Chris has posted the cost of getting
hardened valve seats into a set of heads..($120 more- yikes!)

I was thinking 2.00"/1.65" for my 403 as well; opening up the exhaust might
make it worth moving up to a decent cam.

The 1978 factory manual shows valve sizes of 1.88"/1.50" for the 350, and
2.00"/1.50" for the 403. I don't think that would have changed for the 403
over its three years of production (though the '77Toro unit had 15 more hp,
and some of that might have been in the valves)

The shop manual doesn't give the specs for the cam, though; anyone know the
lift on the factory units on these engines?

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From: Sandy Stewart <WASTEWART@gov.pe.ca>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:08:21 -0400
Subject: WANTED:DELTA 88 -Reply 

I saw a 1970 Delta 88 advertized in the local buy sell and trade tonight.  It
has a 350 engine power windows etc. and in "A1 condition.  Price is
$700.  It is located in Prince Edwrad Island, Canada , however, which is
likely not close to you.

If interested, I will get phone number.


Sandy Stewart   WAStewart@gov.pe.ca

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:55:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Canadian Parts and Cars For Sale 

>1968 Toronado (the butt-ugly one) sport model, nice shape, $4995 US. 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Charles Bennett, Port Huron, Mich., 810-985-5073

If I ever get my hands on the bonehead that first said that, I'll...   :)


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:58:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio ... 

>Knowing GM, it could be something like "Flipmatic", "Swivo-Tuner",
>"Roll-o-Dial", "Turn-o-Tuner"... um... oh, here's the Cadillac version:

ROCKET-adio...

STRATO-tunage...

ASTRO-melodious...

Gotta go, before I start scaring myself!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:10:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio ...

I think that all cars should have no more than 5 letters in their names 
like my Skylark - the radio is a neat item that has pushbuttons that 
spell out [B] [U] [I] [C] [K] - or, it be required that radios be 
equipped with sufficient pushbuttons to spell the name in full. Hence, a 
ten (or four) button model for Oldsmobile/Olds...

;-)

It must be silly season... maybe spring is here! 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:18:11 -0400
Subject: Re: '57 Olds J-2 for sale 

In a message dated 96-03-27 15:59:38 EST, you write:

>57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800

Buy it!  I had a chance a few years ago to buy a '58 J2 Super 88 sedan. The
seller didn't know that I worked for the original selling dealer and had a
copy of the original bill of sale (I checked the VIN & it matched).  Price
was $1000 and it ran, drove and stopped, problem I had was that the air
cleaner housing was missing and I knew what the asking prices for them were.
 Now, a few years later, I could kick myself for passing it up.  I often
think of that Heather over Mountain Haze paint (purple over lavendar) and
think how cool it would look today.  For the money I threw away on junk in
the past few years, I could have really done something with that car.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Sold! 

In a message dated 96-03-27 06:04:12 EST, you write:

> 68 Rebel Convertible?

Somebody ought to snap this one up.  They are rare!  Do you know there were
only 823 of these made?  Wonder how it would look with rocket emblems on it?

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:18:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds AM/FM flippin' dial radio ... 

In a message dated 96-03-27 18:02:07 EST, you write:

> did the flipper dial ever come on a stereo unit for the other
>divisions?

Yes!  Get a load of this!  Cadillac had an AM/FM stereo with a flipper dial
that was also a "signal seeking" unit (Wonderbar).  How's that for
technology.  Doubt it would fit a Olds though:(

Pontiac's flipper dial may have been available as a stereo, too, but I don't
have the documents to back that up.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:18:07 -0400
Subject: FRITZ'S AUTO SALES 

In a message dated 96-03-27 08:01:19 EST, you write:

>Paul,
>I am originally from Allentown Pa.  and traveled to about every salvage yard
>in
>Eastern PA.  Have you ever gone to FRITZ's AUTO SALES near Reading?

Last time I was actually there and stopped was back in '87.  Had a '61 D-88
bubbletop coupe and was looking to see what he had, which amounted to nothing
(as far a '61's go).  He did have a '62 Starfire conv't, which was really
rough (which is now gone), and a '66 or '67 Toro (I called about that one the
week after it was sold.  I was in the Allentown area to look at a (sorry)
Chrysler New Yorker back in '93.  The guy with the Chrysler was the one who
bought the S/F and he said they had it running in no time, but you could
stand in the trunk and your feet touched the ground!  I've been past Fritz's
quite a few times in the last few years, but haven't stopped. They divided
the highway with a concrete median a little while ago, so when you're
traveling west you can't really see in like you used to be able to.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:29:44 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 Cam

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
> I was thinking 2.00"/1.65" for my 403 as well; opening up the exhaust might
> make it worth moving up to a decent cam.
> 
> The 1978 factory manual shows valve sizes of 1.88"/1.50" for the 350, and
> 2.00"/1.50" for the 403. I don't think that would have changed for the 403
> over its three years of production (though the '77Toro unit had 15 more hp,
> and some of that might have been in the valves)
> 
> The shop manual doesn't give the specs for the cam, though; anyone know the
> lift on the factory units on these engines?

Karl Sarpolis' article in JWO last year lists 3 different cams for the 403:

77-79 403 
Part# 562299
Overlap: 36 
Duration Int/Exh: 250/264
Lift Int/Exh: .400/.400

77-79 403 Hi-Perf Marine (this one sounds interesting) 
Part# 562301
Ov.: 68
Dur.: 294/296
Lift: .472/.472

77-79 403 Reg. Perf. Marine
Part# 562302
Ov.: 61
Dur.: 286/287
Lift: .472/.472

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:33:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Page T-Shirts

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
> How much were those going for? I remember when the topic first came up, but I
> don't recall what the conclusion was. As long as the price isn't ridiculous,
> I'd be interested.

I think it was $20 + shipping. Hope enough of us buy the leftovers so 
Bryce doesn't have to wear them all for the next 10 years... I can't wait 
to get mine!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Charles A Rogers <roger035@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:31:50 -0400
Subject: Re: WANTED:DELTA 88 -Reply

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Sandy Stewart wrote:

> I saw a 1970 Delta 88 advertized in the local buy sell and trade tonight.  It
> has a 350 engine power windows etc. and in "A1 condition.  Price is
> $700.  It is located in Prince Edwrad Island, Canada , however, which is
> likely not close to you.
> 
> If interested, I will get phone number

I am interested, could you send me the number? I would appreciate that 
VERY much!
Thanx

Dave Rogers

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:44:37 -0400
Subject: More re. 403 cam

I forgot to mention 2 things: the JWO article mentions that Olds rates 
duration at zero lift while most manufacturers rate it at .050 lift. 
Also, the 403 hi-perf cam looks an awful lot like Mondello's JM-16 or 
JM-16-18, but I bet you could get it a lot cheaper at your friendly GM 
dealer, assuming it's still available. Especially if you could talk them 
into a discount somehow, sometimes not hard to do.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:09:58 -0400
Subject: RE: I need some advice...

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There are Certain cylinder heads that deliver great performance gains =
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From: 	OLDSPWR@aol.com[SMTP:OLDSPWR@aol.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 27, 1996 4:58 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	I need some advice...

Today my local 'auto trader' paper came out and I found a 455 from a '71 =
Toro
for sale for $125.  I called the guy and he told me the motor has G =
heads on
it but he also has 1 set of C's and 2 sets of E's.  I am interested in
building a stout 455 and was wondering if this block and crank were good
cores and what heads would be the best to start out with.  Any help =
would be
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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:18:40 -0400
Subject: someone asked for this!!

From:	IN%"oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca" 27-MAR-1996 11:56:18.55
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Subj:	'57 Olds J-2 for sale

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>57 olds super 88 4-dr., j-2 with 3/2 bbls, for resto or parts   $800

what do ya'll think? I haven't heard back from the guy whether it is for sale
or not...but if it is is it worth the money since it's a tripower?




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From: Jason Labay <jlabay@Phoenix.kent.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:46:36 -0400
Subject: Hurst/Olds Prices here

Since I got alot of requests for different years pricing I will post the 
total price guide. This is from the Feb/Mar. issue of "Thunder and 
Lightning", the official publication of the Hurst/Olds Club of America 
(H/OCA).

            1968     1969     1972     1972C    1973     1974     1975
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------	 
Excellent $15,400  $15,375  $15,000  $25,250  $11,500  $11,300  $10,500
Very Good  11,500   11,500   10,750   17,500    7,700    7,450    7,450
Good 	    8,000    8,000    5,700   12,500    5,700    5,600    5,600
Fair	    4,700    4,700    4,600    7,800    3,500    3,500    3,500
Poor	    2,425    2,400    2,000    4,000    1,300    1,325    1,325
Averages    8,045    8,395    7,610   13,410    5,940    5,835    5,675

             1979     1983     1984
- ------------------------------------             
Excellent  $10,400  $18,250  $14,250
Very Good    7,900   13,000   13,000
Good         6,250    8,800    9,800
Fair         4,200    4,750    5,750
Poor         2,800    3,200    3,200
Averages     6,310    9,600    9,200


.....hope this helps everyone who requested it


Jason Labay                                            jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
Akron, Ohio                                            xdsg80a@prodigy.com    
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25                                                          
1988 Camaro Z/28 CFI 305...soon to be LT4                                     

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From: "WHO IS FICA, AND WHYS HE GOT ALL MY MONEY?" <S_WTJAMES@vaxa.clarion. edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:45:57 -0400
Subject: RE: Bryce's web page... 

what color is your 86??
what options?
WES JAMES
1986 442

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From: OLDS 1986 442 <S_WTJAMES@vaxa.clarion.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:52:12 -0400
Subject: SHIRTS 

Being new to the List, how can I get in the T-shirt deal and maybe take a few 
off your hands...
please send the information....
WES JAMES
1986 OLDS 442

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:28:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Sold! 

>Somebody ought to snap this one up.  They are rare!  Do you know there were
only 823 of these made?  Wonder how it would look with rocket emblems on it?

Actually my research indicated either 220 or 330 of the Rebel convertibles
made in 68.  Last year of production.  Mine has additional oddity of 550
emblem on one side and 770 emblem (from Ambassador) on other side, according
to original owner, it came from the factory this way.

If it had rocket emblems I would never sell it.  And it would go alot faster.
 This may be one of the slowest cars in history.  232 six and automatic.  

I wish someone would buy it as my storage problem is getting worse all the
time but summer is coming and it's a great car to drive top down.

best - David Wilk
68 Toro
68 Rebel convertible

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:03:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Page T-Shirts

> I want to thank everyone who has ordered T-shirts and been so patient in waiting all this time. I still have only received $$ for 12 shirts...
> *** but went ahead and ordered my 20 shirt minimum today! *** :-)
> The screen printer said it could take up to two weeks for me to get them, but rest assured, they are on the way. I will keep everyone posted as things develop. Thanks again.

I'll make a shameless plug for T-shirts . . . . think of how cool you'll 
look in a T-shirt that has www.442.com for a web site on it.  It's *RED*, 
and it's only twelve bucks (I think that's right)!  Besides, the sooner 
you order, the sooner the rest of us who paid get our shirts!!!  So cough 
it up and help publicize one of the coolest web pages on the net!

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Canadian Parts and Cars For Sale

Gregg Ludlam wrote:
> 
> >1968 Toronado (the butt-ugly one) sport model, nice shape, $4995 US.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Charles Bennett, Port Huron, Mich., 810-985-5073
> 
> If I ever get my hands on the bonehead that first said that, I'll...   :)
> 
> -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy


I have to admit that my dad's 68 was why I bought my first 66 back in 
1971.  I never thought the 68 was butt-ugly

.....maybe a little nose-ugly but not butt-ugly.

You wouldn't trade your 67 for it, would you Greg?

The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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