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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:39:36 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Aluminum Rear Brake Drums 
     
The aluminum brake drums are actually a composite, aluminum cast around an iron 
shoe ring (I think).  I don't think they are really rare (used on a lot of 
station wagons), but definetely more expensive to replace.
     
David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157 
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s" 
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Aluminum brake drums have been around for a long time.  Buick used 
them in front on all their full sized cars from the late 50's until 
about 1970 when the full size cars got disc brakes.  My '59, '63, 68, 
and '69 all had them.
     
In addition, some A-bodied cars had them in front as well.  I have a pair 
in my garage that came off a '68-69 G.S.  I imagine they are quite rare, 
as they are the only ones I have ever seen.
     
Many late 70's Malibu's have aluminum rear drums too.
     
The aluminum drums supposedly shed heat much better than cast iron, which 
is why Buick adopted them.  I never had a problem with them wearing out 
prematurely.
     
Rich
     
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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:49:41 -0400
Subject: Anybody have a '67 425?
     
Hey, anybody out there have a 1967 425 engine they can lay hands on? I need a 
bit of info on a couple of details, the appearance...
     
If you have had the engine apart, rebuilt it, so much the better. If you 
currently have it apart, I will worship the ground you walk on. Or, at least 
the part that sticks to your shoes.
     
Please, somebody MUST have a 425 that's known to be a 1967 unit.
     
Oh, I forgot to mention: it has to be a NON-TORONADO 425; I have a Toronado 425 
already.
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Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist 
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
     
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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:19:30 -0400
Subject: Cars from Usenet rec.autos.marketplace 
     
Newsgroups: rec.autos.marketplace
Subject: 1966 Olds Delta 88 Convertible 
Date: 21 Mar 1996 14:52:10 GMT
Message-ID: <4irqeq$1708@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com> 
Reply-To: kfsmith@vnet.ibm.com (Kirk Smith) 
NNTP-Posting-Host: kfsmith.raleigh.ibm.com
     
For Sale : 1966 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Convertible
     
Car is in good running condition. The body has some minor rust but is in 
excellent shape otherwise. The top is in good condition. The interior is in 
very good shape. The car is complete and with some minor TLC can be a read 
show stopper! Excellent candidate for that restoration project you want to 
do.
     
Asking $2400
     
Call me at (919) 233-1780 (evenings before 11:00PM Eastern) or (919) 254-1607 
(days 9:00AM to 5:00PM Eastern)
     
Kirk F. Smith
IBM CallPath/DirectTalk Product Support 
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina USA
     
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From: Jonathan <pnelson@cyberport.com> 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.marketplace
Subject: Oldsmobile
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 21:14:58 -0600 
Message-ID: <3150C9B2.664E@cyberport.com> 
NNTP-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net 
Mime-Version: 1.0
     
I have stripped a 1966 Olds Delta 98 for racing.  I don't want to just 
toss the trim and insides.  If you can use it drop me a line at 
pnelson@cyberport.net.    I can only store this crap for so long. Thanks
Kenneth
     
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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 17:43:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Cars from Usenet rec.autos.marketplace 
     
>I have stripped a 1966 Olds Delta 98 for racing. [...] 
>I can only store this crap for so long.
     
Stone this infidel!!!
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Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431 
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com 
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
     
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From: Tony <3CQ9DELBALSO@vms.csd.mu.edu> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 19:26:56 -0400 
Subject: Re: Shaving heads
     
On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Tony wrote:
> First, as several posters noted, the typical Fel-Pro head gasket is .019 in
> thicker than the stocker.  So this much can be taken off the heads to achieve
     
Ok,
here is the rest of the posting:
When the heads are shaved, you need to figure out how much closer to the block 
they sit.  So if 40 thousths were shaved off the heads, and 5 thousanths were 
decked off the block, then a total of 45 thousanths was removed, the new head 
gasket is 19 thsths thicker, so the head actually sits 45-19 closer (.026).  To 
get alll the parts to line up as stock, you need to then also shave that amount 
off of the intake side of the heads (0.026).  Then, set the heads on the block 
w/o gaskets, put a couple bolts into each one just to ensure they don't get 
knocked off.  Don't tighten them!  Just turn them enough to grab hold of some 
threads if you are concerned about knocking them off the block.  Then, set your 
intake onto the top, check that there is clearnance between the block and the 
intake at the front and back of engine (where you usually slop on the RTV).  If 
there is clearance, everything is Go, just properly assemble and be careful of 
rocker arm geometry, your pushrods are now 0.026 in too long.  What I just 
learned is that you can simply put shims under the rocker pivots, the same 
thickness as the distance the heads sit closer to the block (.026).  There is 
no difference in angles, so that doesn't need to be worried about.  If there is 
no clearance between the intake and block, then material has to be milled off 
the intake on the end seal areas, mill off 1.4 times the distance calculated 
before (0.026).  This will ensure everything is back to stock.  Someone 
mentioned that milling intake would not allow it to be used again on another 
engine, this is not the case.  Since only the end seal portions are milled 
(assuming they need it) then a little more silicone gasket maker is needed at 
these areas, and the intake can be used on any engine.  For my engine, the 
actual distance was .034, and I am using .03 shims on my rockers.  The 
additional .004 lifter preload shouldn't make any difference.  My engine 
builder wanted to take off .05 from the intake, since he took .05 off the 
heads, he argued and argued, finally giving in.  Today I saw him and he seemed 
amazed that when he and his employees were discussing it over lunch, that it 
was correct and no one had thought to include the thicker gasket or block deck 
previously?!  Anyway, if this clears up confusion, great, but remember, it only 
applies to olds.
Tony
     
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 20:07:53 -0400 
Subject: Re: Aluminum Rear Brake Drums
     
>"If you can't race it or take it to bed, it's not worth having!"
     
     
Mike,
     
Thanks for putting a smile on my face!
     
Regards,
Mike
     
     
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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun... 
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one... 
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From: Jeffrey King <jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com> 
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 22:23:57 -0400 
Subject: Correct speed
     
One way to tell if your speedometer is accurate is to get on
some interstate highway (or highway with an odometer check zone), 
and using a stopwatch, time yourself between mile markers.  I 
know not all of them are exact, so I would suggest timing 
yourself through at least 5 miles worth.  The formula is as 
follows:   3600 divided by time(in seconds).  For more than one 
mile, use multiples of 3600 (i.e. 7200/sec for two miles, etc). 
This will give you a very accurate reading.  I've done it with
my '61 Super 88 and found about a 10% error.  Also keep in mind 
that American car makers back then weren't above padding the 
speed a bit (Gads Martha!  This sure doens't feel like 75, does 
it?!).
Also, I'm getting pictures of my '61 scanned tonight, and I'll 
be submitting them to Bryceman's Olds Page.  I'm not sure when 
he will add them to the registry (I'm already on there, text 
only).  
Happy Oldsmobiling!
     
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================================================================ 
Jeffrey W. King(N5PNU) Internet: -----> jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com 
Route 1, Box 290       Internet/packet:   n5pnu@dfwgate.ampr.org 
Krum, TX. 76249        Packet:    N5PNU @ N5AUX.#DFW.TX.USA.NOAM 
817-482-3446 (home)    214-597-1021 (pager)
214-956-6714 (work)    If none of the above works:    HEY YOU!!! 
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       1961 Oldsmobile Super 88 Holiday (Hardtop) Sedan
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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman) 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 03:05:31 -0400 
Subject: Re: Sold! 
     
>We met at their hotel yesterday evening, drove out to Wilmette and they 
>inspected the car. Its battery seems to have recovered from its near-death 
>experience of a few weeks ago and the car started right up in the garage. 
>Bryce and Keith promise to check back as soon as they arrive home, which I 
>hope will be uneventful ("No, Bryce, he did _not_ say it was normal for 
>flames to shoot out of the hood..."), so more news as it develops. We've 
>also got a couple of group photos, so Real Soon Now you'll be able to 
>check the web pages and be able to put faces to some of the names here!
     
Hello Andy, Everyone...
     
Keith and I left Chicago at 2:00pm Thursday and arrived in Kansas City at 
approx.
 10:30pm. I drove Andy's "X" (Cutlass) the entire distance and it performed 
 flawl
essly. We made use of 2 of the three quarts of oil Andy had included. The entire
experience was rewarding and enjoyable, Andy is a most gracious host and an 
excep tional tour guide. It was really cool to finally meet someone from the 
list. Tran sactions born of the internet can really come to fruition! This was 
my first.
I have converted yet another common person into an Olds fan... Keith seems very 
p leased with the car and spent most of the trip in the passenger seat looking 
stra ight up through the T-Tops.
Thanks again Andy, sorry we couldnt spend more time together comparing Olds war 
s tories and the like. I look forward to getting copies of the ceremonial photos
so on. Maybe we could have been more creative if it hadnt been so darn cold in 
Chica go.
     
     
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
bryceman@442.com
www.442.com
     
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From: Mike Shokouhi <mvs@dial.pipex.com> 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 08:45:18 -0400 
Subject: Re: More 69 H/O Info/tranny code
     
Just a note:
the TH400 code is 'OH' on a yellow pad, and if the tranny is out and 
you can brush off the crud, you should also see a larg 'OH' hand 
written in pink towards the front (applied at Hurst).
     
Mikee...
 '69 H/O in-resto
     
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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776) 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 09:24:10 -0400
Subject: Timing advance
     
	Yes, its me again with more timing questions. Got to fiddling with my
timing and dwell last night and made some pretty enlightening discoveries. First
no matter how high you rev the engine (ran it up to about 2k), the timing 
doesn't
 advance at all! Pulled the distributor cap and rotor to take a look at the
weights. Everything looked fine and moved normally. According to my shop manual,
my timing shound have advanced 2-3 deg. So, since the weights and springs seem 
to be in good shape (move freely at least) what else could be causing this?
	The other problem I found was that my dwell was at 20deg (should be 32) 
and I just adjusted it 3 wks ago! What could be causing that?
	I've got a bad feeling that the dist is shot. If I wanted to replace it 
with a electronic ignition distributor, which one would you guys recommend? I 
have a spacer plate under my carb that gives me a little more room under the 
air cleaner but not a lot. Any advice or recommendations are greatly 
appreaciated . 
     
     
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   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"
     
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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu> 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:28:16 -0400 
Subject: test, don't read
     
just seeing if I got canned from the list.  My mail server went down 
and messages proably got bounced back.
     
Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale
     
{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/ 
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}
     
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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 14:32:53 -0400 
Subject: Are We There?
     
Just a test to see if we're working today. The lack of messages seems 
fishy. Could someone let me know if they got this by replying to me 
directly (not to the list)? Thanks!
     
Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
     
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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU> 
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:57:01 -0400 
Subject: Re: Sold!
     
> A deal was struck, I gave them 3 extra quarts of oil Just In Case, and I
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I'm not sure how reassuring that would be, to have the previous owner 
hand me 3 quarts, well, you know, Just In Case, something should, like, 
happen . . . .  ;)
     
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