
oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 3 April 1996      Volume 01 : Number 136


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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:25:14 -0400
Subject: Lifter noise follow-up

Quite a while back I started a thread on valvetrain noise I was getting from my
freshly rebuild 69 400. Got a lot of responses, thanks. Greatly reduced the 
noise by doing one very simple thing, I changed the oil! When I originally 
filled the engine after rebuild, I overfilled it. My guess is that the crank was
whipping the oil full of air, which in turn was not allowing the lifters to 
operate properly. Cheap fix!

P.S. Went on vacation for 5 days. When I got back I had 293 messages in my 
mailbox! Geeze you guys talk a lot! ;>) (boy was my delete key smokin'!). Also  Missed the great flame war of 96' (dang!)



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         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
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						      400/400

   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: MIKE COCCAGNA <mikec@hoe.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 05:37:56 -0400
Subject: Quad442 (not a real 442)

> On Apr 1,  6:32pm, Meyer I. Stolberg wrote responding to
> my ramblings about my '91 Quad442 W-40
> 
> Mike wrote to sat he had a '91 W-40 Quad442 (Calais).  I wonder if it is the
> same as my '91 W-41 Quad442 (not a real 442) Cutlass Calais.

Close, very close.  Your Quad442 had the 'extra' High Output Quad4, 
while I am stradled with the High output Quad4.  For the non-Quad 
educated, the W-41 had 190 bhp vs. 180bhp.  The W-41 was built for 
SCCA racing - a few were made (approximately 250 if memory serves 
right), had a little better gearing for the tranny, and the only 
noticible difference is the striping in silver instead of gold.  The 
W-40 Quad 442s were a little more popular - about 3000 were built and 
they are found in both '90 and '91 model years.  The '91 is reported 
to be the better of the two years, with some minor engine mods to 
better drivability.  A few magazines pitted these 'new' 442s against 
the original with close results off the line, but, alas, the bigger 
engine pulled away around 60 :-(

Not bad cars though - 180-190 bhp and 30-35 mpg on the highway (I've 
observed 40 on long trips!)

 
> I tried to order it fully loaded but the only options I received were air
> conditioning, upgraded stereo, and rear defogger.
> 

Hmmm.... only those options?  I guess that's because of it's purpose.

Mine came fully loaded.  Power windows, locks, antenna, crazy seat 
that adjusts up and down (in the front), stereo casette (pulled 3 days after 
purchase), rear defogger, etc.  I even got the much desired 'Driver 
Information Center' that duplicates your gages, gives you your MPG - 
instantaneous and since the last time you hit reset, average speed 
(I had an avg speed of 110 mph register on the way to the track :-) 
), trip info etc.  Even says GOOD MORNING / AFTERNOON/EVENING!

If you want, we can take this discussion off-line to keep the chatter 
from the Toro-98 debate :-) [FWIW - I lean towards Toro!]

Mike 
'91 W-40 Quad442
 

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From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:54:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Year One

Greg Beaulieu writes:
> 
> Just thought I'd mention that the Year One catalogs I requested from 
> their web page came yesterday. Nice deal... *free* catalogs that came 
> with a $5.00 discount coupon.

What is their web page address? FREE catalogs are the best!!!!;)


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Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: MIKE COCCAGNA <mikec@hoe.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 05:57:13 -0400
Subject: Stuff forsale from newspaper

Here are two interesting ads from yesterdays local paper - 
in Frederick MD -  north of DC.  

Normal Disclaimer - I don't know this guy, etc, etc.

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442 
(the one w/power stuff, but 1/2 the cylinders and 
double the gas milage!)
__________________________________________

Olds Cutlass Supreme Conv, '72 1 owner, 80k, loaded, $5000/OBO  
Bill: 301-447-6858 or 301-447-2800

CARLISLE VENDERS:  Parts for sale (mostly GM) '60s-'70s LOTS OF 
CORVETTE CARS AND PARTS!! (their emphasis, not mine - ED)  Call 
BIll: 301-447-6858 or 301-447-2800

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:30:49 -0400
Subject: RE: 100th Anniversary Meet

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I personally will be driving. I was speaking with a friend of mine =
yesterday who told me that reservation are being taken already for car =
spots as well as hotels and going very fast.

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From: 	Greg Beaulieu[SMTP:ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca]
Sent: 	Tuesday, April 02, 1996 6:32 AM
To: 	Oldsmobile
Subject: 	100th Anniversary Meet

I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend =

the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997. A few of us from=20
Atlantic Canada are thinking of going... the question now is to fly in =
or=20
drive our cars convoy-style. We'd like to take the cars but it's a long=20
run and there will be a zillion cars there. What's everyone thinking=20
about doing?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, =
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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:45:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

We're located in central FL and are planning to take at least one of our
cars.  FYI the 90th anniversary meet was great.  I assume this meet will also
include all of the Olds clubs, Olds Club of America, Curved Dash Olds and
Antique Olds Club.  The 90th did.

If you bring your car, Olds/GM has promised a special memento of the affair
(no idea what it is).

Bob Handren
'67 442 W-30 modified
'70 Cutlass SX convert

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:54:36 -0400
Subject: Re: TH400 Shifts 

A member posted a question of why his TH400 is shifting early after an engine
rebuild.

1. Did you replace the carb or change the carb linkage? The '66 is a variable
pitch TH400. I suppose it's possible that having the pitch incorrect could
affect the shift but I control the one in my '67 W-30 from a switch on the
console and it doesn't seem to make any difference with mine.

2. Serendipity could be at play.  Change the vacuum modulator anyway. You
might want to try getting one of the adjustable ones.

Bob Handren
'67 442 W-30 modified
'70 Cutlass SX convertible

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:05:01 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 100th Anniversary Meet 

Sounds great!  Could someone post the actual dates?  Any phone numbers for 
more info?

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:18:06 -0400
Subject: Re: TH400 Shifts 

>A member posted a question of why his TH400 is shifting early after an engine
>rebuild.

Yes! It was me, Bryceman.

>1. Did you replace the carb or change the carb linkage? The '66 is a variable
>pitch TH400. I suppose it's possible that having the pitch incorrect could

Same carb, but had it rebuilt. I had everything off the manifold. I did remove, clean, repaint and reinstall the linkage. Do the 2 wires that go from the firewall portion of the throttle linkage assembly to the tranny control passing gear kick down?  What determines the transmissions pitch?

>2. Serendipity could be at play.  Change the vacuum modulator anyway. You
>might want to try getting one of the adjustable ones.

Replaced vac modulator over the weekend with a new adjustable one but the adjustment only controls the 2nd - 3rd shift and not the 1st - 2nd. Thanks.


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:15:44 -0400
Subject: FS: '65 98, '73 88 ;;; WTB Parts: '54 S88 (from usenet) 

From: js048@randr.com (gens 19-John Sanner   )
Subject: FS 65 Olds 98 Convertible, Dayton,OH
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:02:06 GMT

Red with black power top. All power. 425ci. 4-barrel carb. 
All numbers match. 59,000 original miles. Very Good condition.  
One of only 4903 built.

Make offer.


e-mail: js048@randr.com    - or
          john_sanner@reyrey.com 
          ag588@dayton.wright.edu
Day phone: 513-443-2272


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From: Norm Schreck <Norm@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 1973 Olds FOR SALE
Date: 30 Mar 1996 19:44:49 GMT

I want to sell a 1973 Olds Delta Royale 4 door sedan. Mileage is 62,800 
miles. It was garage stored since 1989, and is in very good condition. NO 
dents or rust. Engine is 350 c.i. 2-barrel and runs great(pre-polution). 
Interior also in excellent condition. No reasonable offer refused. Car is 
located in Somerville. NJ 


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From: jchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason P Chang)
Subject: Need Parts: '54 Oldsmobile
Date: 29 Mar 1996 18:14:36 GMT

Rear Bumper
Mechanical Fuel Pump     (Double)
Tail Light Lenses   (Left & Right)
Front Turn Signal Lenses(Left & Right)
Fender Skirt
Right Door

Please e-mail jchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, if you are interested in 
selling these parts.  BTW, the car is a super 88 Holiday Coupe.  I beleive 
parts from a 98 will also work.


          jason

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Jason Chang                                | 
jchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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From: dan houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:53:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 120MPH Speedo...



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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:08:21 -0400
Subject: 350 engine, etc

OK, by now you must realize that the fantasy parts thing was just an April fool
joke. I thought I was getting a bit too carried away, unrealistic even with the
cut-down version that I sent. I plan to send a similar 'dream' story to JWO
'someday'- you know, at the end you wake up... and get on with the real
restoration at hand...  I even called the story 'incredible', as in
'unbelieveable'...

For the record, real, no-joke, finds:
    Padnos scrap metal
1 H head, and its brother the big-valve G head  Still got the G. Buyer?
misc. 330, 425, 455 engines, including a 70 455-4V core.
    Friedland scrap
L-block 455, #6 heads, new GM parts by the TON, new C*evy engines, can't buy
ANY of them. Sorry. Even if GM says it's OK.
    Parts cars, projects
  Tri-carb intake, complete to carbs WITH tags, linkage, most fuel lines, and
air cleaners. Came in trunk of 67 442. Car in nearly rustfree, came with
correct x-w xst mans, headers, waterlogged 425 with C heads [just sold],
chromed tailpipes, NOS Hemi mufflers [with notch], NOS 308 degree cam, etc.
  '70 W30 carb, came in trunk [or was it on the engine of?] 67 Cutlass parts
car. Paid $300 for whole car.
  NOS 15x7 chrome rim rallye wheels. Got at garage sale. Gold center.
  $1750 rusty 68 W30, no engine or trans, had 3.90 posi 10-bolt [sold for $150
later, needed $ a lot], came with "but" air cleaner & scoops. Current candidate
for the 6-pack engine.
  $250 [?] '67 Toro 425. Perfect crank & rods, excellent big valve C heads. I
used the block, my brother got the crank, rods, and heads for his 67 442- the
one mentioned above.
  68 442 engine- G block, BV C heads, correct carb, dist'r, coil, etc. in a 72
Delta in a junkyard in CA. $135 for whole engine. With X-Y xmans, too. Broken
ring, scored cylinder wall. Awaits resurrection with the D heads.

  Any of you all have stories of the 'stuff found in the trunk' to share? I
like that engine found out west, D heads, whole engine for scrap price! Heh!
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Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:12:40 -0400
Subject: '97 meet

I figured I might be able to make it :)

Got me to thinkin'... I have this property up by St Johns, about 1/2 hour N of
Lansing... Not much facility, but if maybe someone felt like camping out,
roughing it, I'd let 'em have at it for free.

Hands off them parts cars, though, unless we agree on details. Oh, If any of
y'all felt like stopping by to see the pcs cars, I could prolly take a day to
entertain visitors. Ride the '64 Jetstar-1 or 65 Delta field bombers, you
know... Brakes? who needs 'em? they just SLOW YA DOWN! Heh.

btw, I printed a new RS logo with the color printer/computer we just got. It
kicks a lot of butt. Put one in the window of the capper on the truck. Having a
color printer is a Very Good Thing.
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Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:20:35 -0400
Subject: 350 engine

OK, finally remembered the 350 Q...

Tom, that 557752 3B is the block casting number. Covers a range of years.
Sounds like the light weak later casting to me, open main webs all that. For
YEAR ID, you need to look at the number stamped into the oil fill tube and/or
the VIN stamped into the block's tiny [1/2" x 2" maybe] machined vertical pad
at the left side of the block at the front just below the head surface. Hard to
get at with acc'y in the way usually.

Oil fill tube: 1st digit= last digit of year of issue. 8001001 would be a '68
or '78 engine...

Block VIn derivitive:
36M500005

3= Olds, 1= Blowtie, 2= Pontiac, 4= Buick, etc.
6= last digit of year of issue, should match oil fill tube 1st digit
M= production plant of car. M= Lansing, etc.
500005= sequential production number 6 digits, not nec. start with 5.

Extra-capacity oil pan indicates a Toro engine, most likely, the carb number if
the carb is original should peg the application exactly.
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Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:57:05 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc. 

> 
> ...and then there's the owner's manual for my Cutlass:
> 
> "Congratulations on the purchase of Your New Oldsmobile. While your
> income is regrettably not what we require in terms of acquisition of
> a fine Ninety-Eight or Toronado, you should keep in mind that your
> choice of a lesser Oldsmobile motor car signals your appreciation for
> the finer appointments of life. We urge you to refrain from "looking 
> down" upon other motorists who, quite possibly through no misfortune 
> of their own, have regrettably found themselves in vehicles of lesser, 
> poor or disreputable quality. Remember that they may be operating vehicles
> of rival manufacturers simply to spare their Oldsmobile from foul weather 
> which would besmirch its fine finish, and in fact they may have a Toronado
> or Ninety-Eight of their own at home in a garage. You should not pity them,
> but ascribe to follow them."

*laugh* that's pretty good.




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$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:58:46 -0400
Subject: RE: For Sale... 

>
>Pass. Side Casting Number 395 752 RH D1 98 (G) Cheap...
>
>As for the above mentioned exhaust manifolds, I am not to familiar with
>Toro's and I thought somebody just might be interesed in them.  Remember,
>cheap....  I don't want to get rich off of them, just pass them on to
>somebody who needs them....
>

is that rh manifold for dual exhaust? if so, does anyone know it would fit
in a '72 98 chassis? I can't seem to find a rh dual exhaust manifold for a
reasonable price ANYWHERE.

thanks


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$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:03:56 -0400
Subject: Super Dynamic 60 88!! was Re: Delta Custom

> My comment applied only to 1960.  I think that earlier, the name "88" was
> used as the only name, and it was the only script on the cars.  But Olds
> referred to them as "88 Holiday," "Golden Rocket 88," and so forth.

	Ok, I just went through the stuff the History Center sent me, and 
alas, I stand corrected.  I said that I thought in '60 there was a plain 
"88", but in fact there was the base Dynamic 88, the Super 88, and 
of course, the 98.  
	
	I also remember some discussion about the names given the various 
models (ie. 2 door hardtop -vs- Holiday hardtop).  Well, just for kicks 
I'll put the different names down they used in '60.  


Code    Series  	Body Style 

	Dynamic 88
211                     2-Door Sedan
219			Celebrity Sedan (4-door sedan)
237			Holiday SceniCoupe (2-door hardtop)
239			Holiday SportSedan (4-door hardtop)
267			Convertible Coup	
235			Fiesta 2-seat  (wagon)
245			Fiesta 3-seat  (wagon)

	Super 88
519			Cebrity Sedan 
537			Holiday SceniCoupe
539			Holiday SportSedan
567			Convertable Coup
535			Fiesta 2-seat
545			Fiesta 3-seat

	Ninety-Eight
819			Celebrity Sedan
837			Holiday SceniCoupe  (what I have)
839			Holiday SportSedan
867			Convertable Coupe


	It's kind of interesting to note that the wagons actually cost 
more than the 88 convertable.  (Still going to part that VC?)  :)
Of course, the 98 convertable costs the most, but aparently only because 
there was no 98 wagon.  
	Anyway, the names they gave these thing are just the coolest!!	
		
		
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 (Thats Holiday SceniCoupe to you!)

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:44:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Super Dynamic 60 88!! was Re: Delta Custom 

At 02:03 PM 4/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>> My comment applied only to 1960.  I think that earlier, the name "88" was
>> used as the only name, and it was the only script on the cars.  But Olds
>> referred to them as "88 Holiday," "Golden Rocket 88," and so forth.
>
>	Ok, I just went through the stuff the History Center sent me, and 
>alas, I stand corrected.  I said that I thought in '60 there was a plain 
>"88", but in fact there was the base Dynamic 88, the Super 88, and 
>of course, the 98.  
>	
>	I also remember some discussion about the names given the various 
>models (ie. 2 door hardtop -vs- Holiday hardtop).  Well, just for kicks 
>I'll put the different names down they used in '60.  

stuff snipped

	
>			Scott
>		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 (Thats Holiday SceniCoupe to you!)



Yes.  For Oldsmobiles, "Holiday" meant a hardtop, whether 2-door or 4-door.
"Celebrity" meant sedan (pillared), and again, it could be 2-door or 4-door.

Actually, I read once that the term "hardtop" was originally coined and
put into use by Ford.  So Olds and other manufacturers initially refrained
from actually
calling their hardtops "hardtops" for a number of years, preferring to use terms
like "pillarless" and so forth.  Eventually the term "hardtop" became
generic enough
that everyone used it as it pretty well described the idea of welding a
"hard" top
onto what otherwise looks like a convertible.  That is what hardtop actually
was short
for, by the way.  The full term was "hardtop convertible."  In fact, my '64
Jetstar 88
not only is a hardtop, but actually has ridges in the top near the rear that
run across the
top and make it look, from a distance, just like a convertible, which was
exactly the
whole idea.



************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:30:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

> I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
> the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997.  What's everyone thinking 
> about doing?
I don't know what i'm doing next week let alone in 97!  What month 
week, etc?

Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale

{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: bearing noises

One thing I have noticed, from the last year of heavy influx of spun-bearing
engines... If you quit SHORTLY after the knocking starts you can save some $.
If you continue to run it with it knocking, here are some of the things I have
seen on the spun-bearing engines:

- - Crank ruined; worn far beyond the grinding limit. Most bearings only come as
much as 0.030" undersize, which gives you only 0.015 max wear off any one side.

- - Bearings pounded to shim stock, bearing halves siamesed together. Since they
are being replaced anyway, the condition is not important except to note just
how far some engines go before they get shut down for good.

- - Rod is generally ruined beyond use if the bearings are gone or shim-thick

- - Piston hits on head, breaking piston, head, and/or block. Broken piston
breaks ring[s] which then score cylinder nicely.

- - At the bottom of the stroke, the crank carves off excess material from the
bottom of the piston. Saves weight :)

If you catch it in time, you can live with a regrind on the crank, resize the
rods, and new bearings. If not, you'll need another engine to donate rods,
crank, pistons, block, heads, etc. Mitaswell use the whole other engine, unless
numbers-match is critical.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:08:44 -0400
Subject: 65 F85 seats?

My 65 F85 4 door had a dorky bench seat from some car in the 70s. I am
looking for a seat but was wondering what other models and sister cars(GM,
Bu-yuck) are correct? i have a seat from a 61 Invicta but it is a real
tight fit (too bad i kinda liked the cigarette lighter in the back of the
seat- never seen that) Would a Hollander book have that info ?


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:11:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser - 400 HP NOS it 

Finally (my fault), got a OCA application.  On one panel they show a '72 (?) VC 
lifting BOTH (almost) wheels at the christmas tree.

Well, here's my vote for tubbing it out.  Hey . . . you mightaswell!!  Well, 
maybe not.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

------------------------------

From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:23:35 -0400
Subject: Distributor rebuild

Bryce,

Did you ever get my inquery on the cost of your distributor core and rebuild?
I can buy a new distributor for a 403 from NAPA for around $130. How does this
price compare to your route?

          ___              ___        _________
         /   |            /   |      /         \
        /    |           /    |     |   ___    |
       /     |          /     |     |__|   |   |
      /      |         /      |           /   /   
     /       |        /       |          /   /   
    /   /|   |       /   /|   |         /   /
   /   /_|   |__    /   /_|   |__      /   /
  |             |  |             |    /   /
  |______     __|  |______     __|   /   /_____
         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442
						      400/400

   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:38:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Diagnosing Bearing Problems

Kevin, thanks for the comprehensive info on bearing noise and don't wait 
so long to post next time! Info like this is hard to find. 

The good news is that my 350 has none of these symptoms so I can rest 
easy on that score. The noise I get is intermittent and seems to bear 
some relation to the lifters/pushrods/rockers. None of which is a major 
job to replace, thank goodness, nor particularly expensive even if I had 
to do all of them. Toss in a new timing chain & gear set plus water pump 
and I'll rest easy. Now if I could only find that cam....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:01:17 -0400
Subject: Re: TH 400 Shifting 

Just a wild guess here . . . Does a shift kit or performance valve body and/or 
kit help in this area?  The valve body only contains ATF, but it's affected by 
the vacuum modulator, right, wrong?

Just got HP's Turbo 350 book from ASAP, $11.95 (Jegs also has it same price).  
Covers 350, 350C, 375, 250, 250C.  There's a 400 book also.  Got to get that.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:55:16 -0400
Subject: Good For The Soul...

We've had a remarkable run of good weather here recently which has left 
us snow-free and hallucinating that spring is here. Unfortunately it's 
pouring rain today and the forecast calls for it to change to snow 
overnight...

Those of you who live in milder climes may not realize what it means to 
those of us in the frozen north when spring arrives. We all go a little 
crazy. I'm no exception. Two cases in point:

Saturday, a beautiful sunny day. Up early and decide to wash the Olds, 
then do a few errands. It looks wonderful and is running great. At an 
intersection a guy in a Nissan decides to do a hole shot on me as the 
light turns green. In a fit of enthusiasm I tromp it, spin the wheels for 
5 seconds or so and manage to even get a little sideways before leaving 
him in a cloud of dust. I laugh insanely for two blocks. Juvenile, but I 
love it. Later, I park the car in front of a coffee shop on our main drag 
which is overrun with pedestrians on such a nice day. Buy a cup of java 
and take a seat in the window just to watch the passersby react. They 
love it, as do I...

Yesterday it got up to 60 degrees and everyone was going bananas. I took 
off work a couple of hours early and got the convertible out of storage. 
After a quick once-over I put the top down and went for a cruise. Smiles 
everywhere, thumbs-up from people I encounter, people calling out "nice 
car", etc. I feel rejuvenated. Can life get any better than this?

Well, yes. If only the droptop was an Olds! Anyone want to swap their '70
or '71 4-4-2 or Cutlass SX convert for a '64 Skylark? 
 
No, I didn't think so....

:)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Schroedinger's Clint" <clint@digex.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:02:32 -0400
Subject: Tiny Olds...

Hiya everyone.

Today I was wandering around the local Toys 'R' Us and picked up a 1/64
scale Johnny Lightning "Custom Toronado".   Looks to be about a `69 or
`70.   They've also got a '69 H/O, but for some reason they only call it a
'69 4-4-2 and they painted the whole thing in yellow or burnt orange.

Jo-Han also has a few models available (all 1/25 scale).  I have the '70
4-4-2 (non-W30), `70 Toronado (with funky cool early-'70s era custom
options), and a '75 Cutlass.  All have very good detail for the body and
the 4-4-2 and Toro have GREAT!!! engine detail.  You can build it up as a
project car if you want as it has detail for a "heads-off" type of thing.

All should be available either at your local Toys 'R' Us or Hobby Store.

- ---------------------------------------------
 Clint Thompson              DIGEX Help Staff
 clint@digex.net               (301) 847-5050
 M/W/F: 10a-6p T/T: 2p-10p     (410) 898-5050
 Voicemail: (301) 847-6225     (800) 969-9090
- ---------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Schroedinger's Clint" <clint@digex.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:15:04 -0400
Subject: Gettin' My Olds!!!

This weekend I will trek over to Kentucky to pick up my new (used) '81
Cutlass.  From what I can tell it needs to have a few dings pulled from
the doors and the left front fender pulled.  The hood has a little rust
too.  On the other hand it looks real sharp with the '86 IROC 16" rims on
it, but I gotta lose those Camaro Center caps.  Ick!

Does anyone know of a company that sells a cowl (or even a 70-72 W-30
style) hood that will fit on an '81 Cutlass?   I already know that I'll
have to go through Loren (sp?) for the H/O wing and lower front valence.

I'll try to scan the pics I have as well as a few pics I have of my
Uncle's '63 F-85 Cutlass street/strip car with a beefed up 215 al V8.

Clint

- ---------------------------------------------
 Clint Thompson              DIGEX Help Staff
 clint@digex.net               (301) 847-5050
 M/W/F: 10a-6p T/T: 2p-10p     (410) 898-5050
 Voicemail: (301) 847-6225     (800) 969-9090
- ---------------------------------------------

PS- If you're in the general NoVA/DC/Balt area, check out
http://www.access.digex.net/~clint/cruiselist.html
We *need* some Olds there to show 'em what *real* cars are!

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:55:56 -0400
Subject: Convertable Hardtops was Re: Super Dynamic 60 88!! 

> onto what otherwise looks like a convertible.  That is what hardtop actually
> was short
> for, by the way.  The full term was "hardtop convertible."  In fact, my '64
> Jetstar 88
> not only is a hardtop, but actually has ridges in the top near the rear that
> run across the
> top and make it look, from a distance, just like a convertible, which was
> exactly the
> whole idea.
> 
	I remember reading somewhere that hardtop cars like that were one 
of the reasons for the decline of the real thing.  Since you could buy a 
hartop that looked like a convertable, had no pillars like a conv., and 
didn't have the problems that came with a drop (or in some cases _drip_) 
top, and cost less, they were just a whole lot more popular.
	Also, that "bowed" top was used on other cars (remember thoes 
early 60s Impalas?)  And then there are thoes goofy cloth top 4 door 
sedans with the bows that were a thing not too long ago, I think maybe they 
took the idea a little too far with that one.  :)

		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:03:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Convertable Hardtops was Re: Super Dynamic 60 88!!  

>And then there are those goofy cloth top 4 door sedans with the bows 
>that were a thing not too long ago, I think maybe they took the idea 
>a little too far with that one.  :)

No, actually the ones that take it too far are those with a fake
convertible top _and_ a sunroof stuck in the middle. What _were_
they thinking?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:09:28 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 engine, etc

>   Tri-carb intake, complete to carbs WITH tags, linkage, most fuel lines, and
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> air cleaners. Came in trunk of 67 442. Car in nearly rustfree, came with
> correct x-w xst mans, headers, waterlogged 425 with C heads [just sold],
> chromed tailpipes, NOS Hemi mufflers [with notch], NOS 308 degree cam, etc.
	
	I am *so* jelous!!!!

>   Any of you all have stories of the 'stuff found in the trunk' to share? I
> like that engine found out west, D heads, whole engine for scrap price! Heh!

	There was a complete Chubby 350 sitting in the trunk of my '60 
when I bought it.  Nothing special, really.  It's a 68-76 casting 2 bolt 
block with 882 heads.  The intake is a 72 non-EGR Q-Jet unit (again 
nothing really special).  There was also the balancer, oil pan etc.  And of 
course, theres a ton of misc. nuts and bolts.  I'm still trying to sell 
the whole thing to finance my Olds project, but so far no buyers :(  

	All that junk also ruined my trunk liner that otherwise would 
have been ok.  I think that thing rolling around back there (when it got 
towed) did some strange damage to my trunk too.  The entire top lip of 
the thing is bent *outward*, like someone took a big hammer and smacked 
the trunk from the inside.  It's bowed out about 3 to 3 1/2 inches, and 
I'm still not really sure how I'm going to push it back into place...
	Oh well, thats really the only major body work I'll be doing to 
it.  It could be a lot worse.
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Michael J Meyer <mmeyer@uceng.uc.EDU>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:55:29 -0400
Subject: RE: Diagnosing Bearing Problems

	On the subject of K-cars with bad knocking sound...
	Chrysler had a problem with wrist pins going bad
	causing it to knock.
	If you pull off the spark plug and the noise goes away
	then it is a wrist pin, if the noise is still there it 
	is a bad bearing.
	
	Disclaimer: It was my girlfriend's K-car that taught me 
			this, not my Olds.

				Michael Meyer

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:03:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Good For The Soul...

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> We've had a remarkable run of good weather here recently which has left
> us snow-free and hallucinating that spring is here. Unfortunately it's
> pouring rain today and the forecast calls for it to change to snow
> overnight...
> 
> Those of you who live in milder climes may not realize what it means to
> those of us in the frozen north when spring arrives...


Oh, I realize!  After 40+ years of the frozen tundras of Pennsylvania 
(spelled s-a-l-t-o-n-t-h-e-r-o-a-d, b-o-d-y-r-o-t, i-n-s-p-e-c-t-i-o-n-s, 
and h-i-g-h-t-a-x-e-s), I said ENOUGH!

... a moved to a nice warm place. (and the Toro likes it, too)

        |) !


The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: tbmarq@mayhem.b23a.ingr.com (Tom Marquis)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:50:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 engine, etc

Chris,

What was [just sold]? The intake, engine or bumper? I assume it was the intake i
and or engine, because that's what I'm interested in. i

Am I falling for fools part deux? 

TomM


>   Tri-carb intake, complete to carbs WITH tags, linkage, most fuel lines, and
> air cleaners. Came in trunk of 67 442. Car in nearly rustfree, came with
> correct x-w xst mans, headers, waterlogged 425 with C heads [just sold],
> chromed tailpipes, NOS Hemi mufflers [with notch], NOS 308 degree cam, etc.

------------------------------

From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Parting out 1966 Toro! 

>Gregg Ludlam wrote:
>> 
>>...around to other Toro addicts, this is a deal!
>>
>>You can E-mail me or call me at 1-414-447-7500
>>
>>Happy Toroing!
>>
>>Greg Kalkhoff
>> 
>
>Is he on here or do you have an email address for him?


Boy, what a dope - I failed to pass-along the e-mail address.  It's:

                TORONADO66@aol.com

And BTW, it's a '67 he's parting, not a '66;  there are subtle differences,
although sheetmetal and most chrome/trim is the same.  I've got dibbs on
some stuff, but...


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

------------------------------

From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:21:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Lead Bodywork

The two books you need are:

AUTO BODY SOLDER by T. N. Cowan (1st Ed., 1980), &
THE KEY TO METAL BUMPING by Frank T. Sargent (3rd Ed., copyright 1953).
Both are available from The Eastwood Company, 580 Lancaster Ave., Box 
3014, Malvern PA 19355-0714, 1-800-345-1178, 24-hour fax 610-644-0560.

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Scott R Clark wrote:

> 
> > Hello there!!!
> > 
> > Can anyone point me in the right direction to finding a book on the basics
> > of lead bodywork?  I have looked around in bookstores, and at the local
> > library with no luck.
> > 
> 	I know this is a little late, but if anybody is still curious 
> about body leading, I just got a book from the library on bodywork that 
> talks a little about it.  It's called "Paint and Body Handbook" (I just 
> love original names like that) from HP Books...the same guys that put out 
> that "How to Build Horsepower Vol 1" (but mysteriously, no Vol 2) if I'm not 
> mistaken.  
> 	It gives the basics on the different stages of bodywork, on welding, 
> etc.  It gives a decent description of body filling with lead, and it's 
> got lots of pics.  And of course they give a section on...my nemisis...
> 				BONDO!!!
> 	Anyway, it dosn't give as much detail as a specialized book (ie. 
> one specifically about welding, body filling, metal shaping, etc) but it 
> does give a prettty good overview of the whole process.
> 	
> 			Scott
> 		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: JMorgan689@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:39:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Good For The Soul... 

Read yor letter with interest.  I drive a 70 4-4-2 convertible (not for sale
or trade).  I love going for a cruise and watching the looks it gets.  I used
to drive around in a 64 corvette convertible with a friend of mine, but I
think the 4-4-2 turns more heads.

Good luck finding one, there's a few out there.

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:49:54 -0400
Subject: Re: TH400 Shifts 

 I put on new vac modulator and adjusted it to shift at higher RPM but the
adjustment only seems to affect the 2nd to 3rd shift. When I manually shift
from 1st to second at what I consider to be the ideal RPM I get the kind of
firm shift I was used to.
My assumption is this... the new camshaft I bought for the rebuild is alot
larger than stock and probably provides less vacuum. Maybe this difference
is responsible for the poor 1st-2nd shift. Is the 1st-2nd shift indeed
controlled by vacuum strength? My vac modulator is now fed from a port on
the carb. If I use a port on the intake as my vacuum source will I get
stronger vacuum there? Yes you will get stronger vacuum and it will also
help your shifting
I have checked the entire system thoroughly and can find no vac leaks. Thanks.

>>2. Serendipity could be at play.  Change the vacuum modulator anyway. You
>>might want to try getting one of the adjustable ones.
>
>Replaced vac modulator over the weekend with a new adjustable one but the
adjustment only controls the 2nd - 3rd shift and not the 1st - 2nd. Thanks.

     That port at the carb could be the wrong one...  Perhaps plumbed into a
ported vacuum source for the EGR?  This can cause early and light shifts and
is quite common.  I won't ask the ever famous "did you adjust the TV
Cable...!" question, ya know, 'cuz it's a 400, but that kickdown switch
should be hooked up, at least.  That will make the shifts firmer and later.
Te GS went w/o one for months, and I couldn't do ANYTHING above 35 -- Fords
started passing me!  I hooked it up through my "cruise" button (mix-n-match
steering column!) and it has now become my "gofast" button!  Big change in
shift response.
     As for that cam, a lower vacuum will give harder, later shifts, so I
don't think that's the problem (WOT=Zero Vacuum, Neck Snapping shifts, etc.)
If it shifts fine at parental throttle levels, and the only complaint is at
wide open throttle (WOT) then I'd suspect the kickdown solenoid is bad or
unplugged.  Maybe try this (if you can manage)  When it hits second gear,
reach down (or have a passenger do this--preferably one you trust) grab that
slider switch on the gas pedal and push it towards WOT position.  (If that
car is equipped that way, I think some were on the intake)  If the car does
not downshift that way, then there is an open in that circuit, and your
"gofast" button won't work!
     If it does downshift, check the adjustment, to make sure it does when
you mash it down, just in case.
     I clipped out too much, but I think you said you had the carb swapped
or o/h'd.  It's always a good idea to get under the hood and make sure it
opens all the way up when you mash down on the gas, as well.  (Less common,
but it happens)
     Good luck, if that don't catch it, we'll try something else.

          Oh, as for the "guru" part, I'm only sitting in for one!  ....  :)

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:49:58 -0400
Subject: Easy Power Balance Testing 

     Here's a simple test that is a lot more pleasant then the method
described below.  Take some plain vaccuum line (carbon impregnated, about
1/4" ID) and cut up 1.5 to 2 inch sections (ideally 8 of 'em! :})  Now,
stick one in between each of the plug wires and the distributor cap (So you
end up with eight little extensions in there)  Next, take a screwdriver (Or
some long pointed metal critter like that, rather forgiving) and wrap some
wire around the shank of it.  Ground the other end.  (Don't forget that
step, you'll be quickly reminded, if you do!)  Now, start the car.  Touch
the test lead (screwdriver...) to any of the vacuum line extensions
(installed earlier) and notice that you just killed a cylinder.  (If you
didn't, it was already dead...)
     With a tach and a stopwatch, you can come up with a fairly accurate
cylinder power balance test.  Ground out each cylinder for 15 seconds or so,
and record the RPM drop.  Those that drop a lot are good, and those that
don't...  Aren't!  Beats the Hell out of pulling wire off one at a time, and
can be used on the newer DIS systems, too.  (***  Ya really don't want to
forget that "grounding" step, there.  60 KV oughta wake you right up!)


>One of the easy ways to tell if you have a bad main or rod problem is to
pull off one spark plug wire at a time and see if it stops knocking if it
did not then put it back on and try another, if none of them will stop it
then I guess you will have to start to tear in to it. REMBER it you don't
have new or good plug wires then I would shut off the engine before you grab
the wires, if thay are in good shape then you will be fine if not then you
will have a new hair style, cam bearing I think you would just have to pull
the cam and look at the journals and as far as changing them I have always
had the machine shop change them never done it my self. Low oil pressure is
all so a good sine that you have bad bearings
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:55:41 -0400
Subject: Summit Disappointment... 

As part of my "getting serious" about my 403 rebuild, I decided to update my
catalog collection, so I ordered a Summit Racing catalog to replace my 1992
issue...

Well, you could fit *all* the Olds parts they list in that catalog on one
page! Meanwhile, there are about a half-dozen pages devoted to Ch*vy
*crankshafts*!

What's with that??? I remember when there were serious parts for just about
every make (not to feel singled out, AMC, Buick, and even Mopar parts are
lacking much representation as well).

I'm hoping my Jeg's catalog will have a bit more; I know the parts are made,
since Mondello doesn't just sell the parts he makes. I don't hold out much
hope for my soon-to-come ASAP catalog, though.

Pretty soon, it looks like the Olds 455 and 350 will take their place in
Kanter's catalog right along side the 221" Flathead Ford and the Buick
Straight-8!

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:55:38 -0400
Subject: Re: bearing noises 

In a message dated 96-04-02 16:07:06 EST, you write:

>One thing I have noticed, from the last year of heavy influx of spun-bearing
>engines... If you quit SHORTLY after the knocking starts you can save some
$.
>If you continue to run it with it knocking, here are some of the things I
>have seen on the spun-bearing engines:
[excellent advice deleted...]
>If you catch it in time, you can live with a regrind on the crank, resize
the
>rods, and new bearings. If not, you'll need another engine to donate rods,
>crank, pistons, block, heads, etc. Mitaswell use the whole other engine,
>unless numbers-match is critical.

Chris, this is excellent information. I am about to travel an hour to go look
at a 403 core motor that has "spun" a bearing, though they haven't opened it
up yet. Now I know what to look for, and what to avoid. Since I want to use
the block, crank and rods, the information you just provided is crucial for
my pre-purchase evaluation.

And someone else writes...

>Kevin, thanks for the comprehensive info on bearing noise and don't wait 
>so long to post next time! Info like this is hard to find. 
>
>The good news is that my 350 has none of these symptoms so I can rest 
>easy on that score. The noise I get is intermittent and seems to bear 
>some relation to the lifters/pushrods/rockers. None of which is a major 
>job to replace, thank goodness, nor particularly expensive even if I had 
>to do all of them. Toss in a new timing chain & gear set plus water pump 
>and I'll rest easy. Now if I could only find that cam....

One time on starting up my 403, I heard a deep rapping noise from the center
of the engine that struck fear into my heart; it went away as the engine
warmed up, and disappeared entirely after a while. What I originally was
*convinced* was a bad main bearing knock turned out to be a sticking lifter
that freed itself up and never gave me another problem. Terrified me when it
happened, as I really was not in a position to rebuild the engine at that
point.

------------------------------

From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:16:29 -0400
Subject: RE: Summit Disappointment... 

> I don't hold out much
>hope for my soon-to-come ASAP catalog, though.

just thought you should know that ASAP is just a catalog outlet for Super Shops
all of their stuff is the same as SS, and the same quality  *laugh*



- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:24:53 -0400
Subject: Finally 

Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
has centre-line wheels.

What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
1960 iron and newer?

Let me know.....

ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
wait much longer for spring to get out and enjoy the Olds.

S.G. Hartfelder		Iternet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
18619 - 68 Avenue
Edmonton, AB  CANADA	<:)
T5T 2M8

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Good For The Soul... 

>Yesterday it got up to 60 degrees and everyone was going bananas. I took 
>off work a couple of hours early and got the convertible out of storage. 
>After a quick once-over I put the top down and went for a cruise. Smiles 
>everywhere, thumbs-up from people I encounter, people calling out "nice 
>car", etc. I feel rejuvenated. Can life get any better than this?
>
>Well, yes. If only the droptop was an Olds! Anyone want to swap their '70
>or '71 4-4-2 or Cutlass SX convert for a '64 Skylark? 
     
          Well, nothing wrong with a Buick.  Now a Chevy or something...  :(

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:05 -0400
Subject: Re: '97 meet 

>btw, I printed a new RS logo with the color printer/computer we just got. It
>kicks a lot of butt. Put one in the window of the capper on the truck. Having a
>color printer is a Very Good Thing.

     Yeah, I'll vouch for that.  I've got an Epson Stylus Color II, and a
UMAX full color scanner.  They make a great pair.  I wiped out nearly an
entire ink cartridge on an experimental life size pic of a blond in a
swimsuit by a pool.  Worked awesome.  Next step?  Yeah, you got it.  The
Rockit is going up on my wall...  Full Size!  (As soon as the new ink cart's
come in...)
 
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Witt's Wit 

>> As if that weren't enough, there's a pair of F heads in there, too, kinda
>>used and beat up, but better than most I get there...
>
>>  Now, what's to DO with all this good stuff???
>
>
>--
>>Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
>>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>
>
>
>Chris, if the guys here didn't know you better I would swear that you make this
>stuff up! ;>) 

     Nawww, couldn't be...    :)


    
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:42:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser, Part Twoser: The Parting (Out) -and yeah, it's long... 

>(Warning: The following story contains lengthy graphic depictions of blood,
>grease and stripped parts, which may not be suitable for young readers.
>Parental discretion is advised...)

                              <<<S  N  I  P>>>

>Thanks for all your support on this project of mine; it's nice to get good
>advice from people who know what they're talking about here on this list.


     So, does this mean you're not gonna fix 'er up....  ?

               :)

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Gettin' My Olds!!! 

>
>This weekend I will trek over to Kentucky to pick up my new (used) '81
>Cutlass.  From what I can tell it needs to have a few dings pulled from
>the doors and the left front fender pulled.  The hood has a little rust
>too.  On the other hand it looks real sharp with the '86 IROC 16" rims on
>it, but I gotta lose those Camaro Center caps.  Ick!
>
>Does anyone know of a company that sells a cowl (or even a 70-72 W-30
>style) hood that will fit on an '81 Cutlass?   I already know that I'll
>have to go through Loren (sp?) for the H/O wing and lower front valence.

     I've often wonderred the same.  Two monster scoops (Like
Kelloggs?)coming down the front of the hood, etc, etc. ought to look quite
mean and menacing, (as it should) but I've never seen it done.  On the other
hand, those holes on the bumper make great Ram Air inlets... :)



>I'll try to scan the pics I have as well as a few pics I have of my
>Uncle's '63 F-85 Cutlass street/strip car with a beefed up 215 al V8.
>
>Clint
>
>---------------------------------------------
> Clint Thompson              DIGEX Help Staff
> clint@digex.net               (301) 847-5050
> M/W/F: 10a-6p T/T: 2p-10p     (410) 898-5050
> Voicemail: (301) 847-6225     (800) 969-9090
>---------------------------------------------
>
>PS- If you're in the general NoVA/DC/Balt area, check out
>http://www.access.digex.net/~clint/cruiselist.html
>We *need* some Olds there to show 'em what *real* cars are!
>
>
>
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:42:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

>> >Trivia question:
>> >
>> >What the model year for the last, TRUE, 98?
>> >
>> Are we referring to "98" as opposed to "Ninety-eight"? If so, my
>> vote goes for '65.
>> 
>> 
>"Ninety-eight," "98," same thing, I think.
>
>'65 isn't the answer, either.

     What about a distinction between 98 and Regency?  Either way, I'm
staring at a picture of a 1996 Olds Ninety Eight, so my guess is:  Ask next
year, and see if they make a '97...

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 engine, etc 

>
>
>>   Tri-carb intake, complete to carbs WITH tags, linkage, most fuel lines, and
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> air cleaners. Came in trunk of 67 442. Car in nearly rustfree, came with
>> correct x-w xst mans, headers, waterlogged 425 with C heads [just sold],
>> chromed tailpipes, NOS Hemi mufflers [with notch], NOS 308 degree cam, etc.
>	
>	I am *so* jelous!!!!
>
>>   Any of you all have stories of the 'stuff found in the trunk' to share? I
>> like that engine found out west, D heads, whole engine for scrap price! Heh!
>
>	There was a complete Chubby 350 sitting in the trunk of my '60 
>when I bought it. 

          I think Chris was hinting about finding *cool* stuff in trunks,
etc.!!!     :)      Then again, I picked up a '70 Skylark once (for less
than a song) and got two cassettes and about five gallons of 90-W!  (No I
DON"T want to trade 'em for a Bowtie!)  Perhaps the 35 cents worth of empty
beer cans, now,....       :)

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:42:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

SG Hartfelder wrote:
> 
> Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
> but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
> independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
> has centre-line wheels.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?
> 
> Let me know.....
> 
> ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
> wait much longer for spring to get out and enjoy the Olds.
> 
> S.G. Hartfelder         Iternet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
> 18619 - 68 Avenue
> Edmonton, AB  CANADA    <:)
> T5T 2M8

NOVA????

Welcome anyway.  (Hope you have a sense of humor)  

:)

The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

>
>I'm planning to go, and if you're thinking of going, you'd better get 
>moving (so to speak).  There was an insert in the January JWO that you
>needed to send in to register your interest.      ^^^^^^^^^^^

I know it's been asked before, but I never saw an answer.  How do we (or
where) find and get that JWO membership/subscription, etc...


    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:50:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally 

>Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
>I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
>but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
>independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
>has centre-line wheels.
>
>What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
>fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
>1960 iron and newer?
>
>Let me know.....

     Hmm, sounds like a good place for a 455...???
                         -----
Brings this to mind...  We need to have (in addition to the FAQ column..) an
Olds vs. Chevy page... uh, book!  Ya know, distributor vs. intake, plug
wires vs. exhaust, shaved heads vs. shaved heads+shaved intakes (thanks for
pointing THAT one out, Chris, I'd never noticed that before...) etc.
     Even without breaking into the "coolness" category, we could still
shame Chevrolet all day long!
     Other thoughts?  
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:44:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

> SG Hartfelder wrote:
> > 
> > Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> > I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
> > but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
> > independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
> > has centre-line wheels.
> > 
> 
> NOVA????
> 
> Welcome anyway.  (Hope you have a sense of humor)  
> 
> :)
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike

Jeepers!!!  Why are you slumming with a Chevy 350?  There are still many 
Toronados with big blocks waiting to be parted out.

...I know.  I'm sorry.  But, I was out of town for weekend, and I missed
the whole 98 vs. Toronado uh... debate.

Actually, I love Toronados.  It's just too hard to put the roof down on
them.  And even harder to put the roof back up.

Ahhh... You folks with hard tops will just never know the joy of stuffing your 
laundry into the edges of your roof, in an effort to keep from freezing.

> 
> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?
> 

Most of the cars "on here" are 1960 and newer, but there is no shortage of
talking with this group.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | These opinions are strictly my own,           _____ 
lawrencr@gdls.com |       ____                               ____/__O__\____ 
(810) 825-8007    |   ___<____>======                       /===/-------\===\
                  |  <o_o_o_o_o_o> Tanks, for your support! \___\-------/___/

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:06:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser, Part Twoser: The Parting (Out) -and yeah, it's long... 

In a message dated 96-04-02 21:49:59 EST, you write:

>>(Warning: The following story contains lengthy graphic depictions of blood,
>>grease and stripped parts, which may not be suitable for young readers.
>>Parental discretion is advised...)
>
>                              <<<S  N  I  P>>>

Uh, yeah, sorry- kind of long... I get carried away sometimes. People should
just ignore my posts with "Vista Cruiser" on the subject line altogether,
unless you have *lots* of time...

>>Thanks for all your support on this project of mine; it's nice to get good
>>advice from people who know what they're talking about here on this list.
>
>     So, does this mean you're not gonna fix 'er up....  ?

Naaaahhhh, I've come to my senses; the body is really too far gone, though
the doors are surprisingly solid. The front suspension comes off on Thursday,
the rear the following weekend, and I'm hauling off the shell *that* day!

Of course, this is all for my *next* project, which will be coming as soon as
the VC shell is hauled off...

Now, all I have to do is the "marital preparations" for the new baby... How
do *you* all prepare your spouse for your next "acquisition"? Any worst-case
examples? Any marriage-breakers? I'm hoping to get in on the property as
another parts car, but then argue that it is in "too good shape" to part
out... Has that worked for anyone?

Oh, and BTW, how difficult is it to fix the seals on a TH425...?

Bob Barry
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX
1978 403-powered Electra
1972 Vista Cruiser (going...going...)
???? ????

------------------------------

From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:11:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

> Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
Yes we are.

> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?
Welp I have a 80 Delta 88 Royale, from gramma. But i'm searching for a 56 super 
88, if you consider that fat fendered.  Plans for it included Aurora 
drivetrain (yeah right, big $$$), LT-1,  or a 455. Lower it a bit, center-lines, 
shave the handles, remove the trim.  Should be a nice street rod when 
I get done.

> ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
60's here in Ohio and I love it!

Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale
95 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6speed (Dad's Hotrod)

{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}

------------------------------

From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:48:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

SG Hartfelder wrote:
> 
> Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
> but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
> independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
> has centre-line wheels.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?
> 
> Let me know.....
> 
> ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
> wait much longer for spring to get out and enjoy the Olds.
> 
> S.G. Hartfelder         Iternet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
> 18619 - 68 Avenue
> Edmonton, AB  CANADA    <:)
> T5T 2M8


Welcome SG!

I have a '57 Olds Super 88 that I kustomed and I'm Roddin. I would have rodded that baby too! As for the Chevy engine, I find 
nothing wrong with that. I guess it was economical? I'd love to see pictures of it! Did you chop it too? I hope you have fun 
cruisin in your car and don't take any crap from anyone! It's good to have another custom/street rodder on the list. 
Actually, I haven't met one yet. There must be more out there! Come on guys!=)


Willie!

------------------------------

From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:51:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

Dink wrote:
> 
> > Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> Yes we are.
> 
> > What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> > fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> > 1960 iron and newer?
> Welp I have a 80 Delta 88 Royale, from gramma. But i'm searching for a 56 super
> 88, if you consider that fat fendered.  Plans for it included Aurora
> drivetrain (yeah right, big $$$), LT-1,  or a 455. Lower it a bit, center-lines,
> shave the handles, remove the trim.  Should be a nice street rod when
> I get done.
> 
> > ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
> 60's here in Ohio and I love it!
> 
> Dink
> 80 Delta 88 Royale
> 95 Pontiac Firebird Formula 6speed (Dad's Hotrod)
> 
> {
> Dink           Dayton, Ohio
> http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
> Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
> }




Yeah!!!!


Go for it Dink!!!!! Let me know if you find one. I'd like to keep up on your progress and help you in any way possible! 
Later!


Willie!
'57 Olds Super 88

------------------------------

From: John Schmich <schmich@AZStarNet.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 02:27:50 -0400
Subject: 86 Hurst/442? 

     If anyone has picked up the latest Deals on Wheels, they might have
seen an ad for a 1986 Hurst/442.  I have never heard of this before so I was
really surprised to see one.  In the ad, it claims that it is 1 of 52 (or
so) made.  From the looks in the picture it is black or dark grey, has the
hood scoop and deck wing.  It also looked like it had ground effects on it?
The car has 39,000 original miles and the owner wants $15,000 for it.
     I have a few questions regarding this:
1.  Is this car for real?  Was all of this factory original or just bolt ons?
2.  If so, why was it called the Hurst/442?  Does it have all the Hurst and
442 equipment combined?
3.  Does this car have any factory specialties under the hood?
4.  If  Oldsmobile did make this extremely rare car, what was their
intentions for it?  Why so few?
5.  I highly doubt it, but does this car have anything to do with that Car
Craft 85 442 1g project car?
     Any additional information about this car would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Brandon
86 Cutlass Salon

------------------------------

From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 03:42:35 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

> I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
> the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997. A few of us from 
> Atlantic Canada are thinking of going... the question now is to fly in or 
> drive our cars convoy-style. We'd like to take the cars but it's a long 
> run and there will be a zillion cars there. What's everyone thinking 
> about doing?

I've been having the same thoughts as you.  Flying would be somewhat 
easier for me, as I'm coming from Florida, but I don't like the thought 
of depriving my cars of attendance at what could possibly be the most 
important event in their lives. :) If I could find people from the Southeast 
US who were driving, I think a caravan would be a spiffy way to arrive in 
style.  I'm still mulling it over . . . . 

------------------------------

From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 03:51:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

> Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
> but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
> independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
> has centre-line wheels.
> 
> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?

I dunno, you guys . . . . should we let him in???  He said the Ch word. ;)-

------------------------------

From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 04:18:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

>I've been having the same thoughts as you.  Flying would be somewhat 
>easier for me, as I'm coming from Florida, but I don't like the thought 
>of depriving my cars of attendance at what could possibly be the most 
>important event in their lives. :) If I could find people from the Southeast 
>US who were driving, I think a caravan would be a spiffy way to arrive in 
>style.  I'm still mulling it over . . . . 

I agree....flying is a copout, our cars were meant to be driven and half the
fun is getting there!
I live in Mississippi and I am probably going to be going....maybe if we
got together enough people we could make a procession. With my hearse in the
lead and our high beams on, traffic might not be so bad if people think it is a
funeral and pull over to let us by!  I imagine it would be quite a scene to see
a procession of oldsmobiles led by an 98 hearse pull up at the meet. sound 
like a plan to anyone????


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$Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 http://www.millsaps.$
$edu/~daleds/index.html  cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,$
$1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X 5.7TPI$  
$1955 Cadillac Seville, (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles(one for parts)$ 
$1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Custom            $
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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:44:30 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

>> I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
>> the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997. A few of us from 
>> Atlantic Canada are thinking of going... the question now is to fly in or 
>> drive our cars convoy-style. We'd like to take the cars but it's a long 
>> run and there will be a zillion cars there. What's everyone thinking 
>> about doing?

     I have a phone interview with EDS in Detroit coming up Thursday, that
may entail a possible internship leading to a full time career with
EDS-Oldsmobile in Lansing.  (Wouldn't it be great...?)  If that happens, I
can safely assume I'd kill to be there (and likely have most of my cars
there by then...)  Now, if I could just find a way to get that '88 Pace car
from the school here...  One more car that just ~belongs~ in this convoy!
(Cutlass Supreme Int'l Convert.  Pics coming soon...)  Poor car SHOULD be in
that Olds museum up there, next to the FE3X, perhaps...  We also have the
~original~ prototype Olds Aurora engine here.  All painted red, and most of
the components hand made!  (big welds on the oil pan, etc...)  Our VICA
chapter has held a yearly ritual of an engine blow-up contest/show, and
guess which one goes this year!  (Nope, too late to save it, I'm kinda
saddenned about it...)  They're also toasting a Chevy Diesel, too!  :)
With any luck, I'll come up with some pics from that, too.  (Our VICA
chapter here is most of the reason we got the engine in the first place, and
the Pace Car, and a good supply of other cars and engines.  Cool stuff....)
UNFORTUNATELY, once the ~stuff~ is donated to an educational facility, it
cannot be sold or transferred to any consumer, etc. it must be retained,
destroyed, or redonated.  I can't seem to talk them into donating anything
to ME.  Any of those Supercharged 3.8 Buicks would go right nicely in my
'83!   At least I can still dream...   (Sorry Chris, no D heads here, either!)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:44:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

>I live in Mississippi and I am probably going to be going....maybe if we
>got together enough people we could make a procession. With my hearse in the
>lead and our high beams on, traffic might not be so bad if people think it is a
>funeral and pull over to let us by!  I imagine it would be quite a scene to see
>a procession of oldsmobiles led by an 98 hearse pull up at the meet. sound 
>like a plan to anyone????

     A few years back, there was a Highway Patrol Officer from a
neighborring county that committed suicide.  They had a similar procession
of police cruisers running 90 miles.  My roommate found this out, (and you
can imagine his suprise) when he topped a hill in his Skylark doing 120 or
so, and came upon 70 or 80 cop cars with lights flashing, etc!  :o
     He didn't need to clean his seat, but I'm quite suprised!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 05:44:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser, Part Twoser: The Parting (Out) -and yeah, it's long... 

>Of course, this is all for my *next* project, which will be coming as soon as
>the VC shell is hauled off...
>
>Now, all I have to do is the "marital preparations" for the new baby... How
>do *you* all prepare your spouse for your next "acquisition"? Any worst-case
>examples? Any marriage-breakers? I'm hoping to get in on the property as
>another parts car, but then argue that it is in "too good shape" to part
>out... Has that worked for anyone?
>
>Oh, and BTW, how difficult is it to fix the seals on a TH425...?

     Mebbe try the "Man, that VC was expensive to get rid of..." approach
after the "new" one is back.  Either that or "I sure do miss that car..."
If they can handle the grease and wrench throwing, etc. they should be able
to accept that, too :)  (We hope!)  Of course, finding the ones that will
accept the grease, wrench throwing, and intense vulgarities (and still help
dress the wound aquired shortly before such vulgarities and wrench
throwing...) can become increasingly difficult, so it's best to not step too
far.  I guess limit yourself to, oh, say maybe ten or twelve project cars at
a time... :)  Mine never had a problem with the grease, # of project cars,
or even the fact that my best cars (daily driver/SHOW rig (bought from
Chris's neigbor for a song on Monday, honest...) happen to be deep project
cars...   (i.e. NOT the choice prom queen cruiser at that time...)  However
the fact that I spent too much time on my cars (Yeah, we all know that one,
I'm sure...) had a hand in the ending of that situation...  The past six
months have given all kinds of time for car work, anyway -- Too bad I don't
have a shop!  :(  Anyway, good luck keeping your four wheeled family and two
legged family members at bay, etc. etc. etc...    It's 2:30 AM, and I'm
starting to ramble, so I'll shut up, etc. etc. etc.        :)
     Oh, as for the breaking in procedure...   "Honey come look at my ~new~
car..." in your best Foxworthy accent!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, SG Hartfelder wrote:
> Finally.  Finally.  Finally.  I've found a group of Oldsmobile enthusiasts.
> I own a 1938 Oldsmobile 'Six'.  I'm not sure if this will bother any of you
> but it is a street rod that has a 1972 Nova 350 engine and the like.  It has
> independant front suspension and leather interior.  Doors are electric and
> has centre-line wheels.
> What I'm wondering is if any of you have an interest in 'talking' about the
> fat fendered Oldsmobiles of the 30's or are most of you only interested in
> 1960 iron and newer?

Sounds neat. Too bad about the Chevy but hey, we all have our shortcomings...

:)

Reminds me of last summer when one of the guys in the car club I belong to
shows up one night in a '47 Olds 2-door. 6-cylinder flathead under the
hood that probably weighed as much as a Geo. The amazing thing about the
car was that it was found in a barn after sitting for years, and the
interior was as if it had never been used, absolutely perfect. Neat too,
with a big ivory steering wheel with "OLDSMOBILE" on the center bar,
mohair upholstery, etc. Body was good too. Even had a trick 2-mirror setup
on the driver's side to let you see... well, something, I'm not sure what.
Never could figure that one out. But anyway, I could understand why you
might be tempted to street rod a car like that. Would be very cool,
especially with a 455 in there. 

Hope you can get it on the road soon!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:34:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, SG Hartfelder wrote:
> ps.  In Edmonton Alberta today (Apr02) the high was -5C (22F) and I can't
> wait much longer for spring to get out and enjoy the Olds.

Remember what I wrote about driving around on Monday with the top down? 
While, as I write this, I suddenly realized that I can't see out my 
window because it's SNOWING so hard!!!

!@#$^&%$*#!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:37:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, buehner wrote:
> I know it's been asked before, but I never saw an answer.  How do we (or
> where) find and get that JWO membership/subscription, etc...

I think this is on Bryceman's page but here is the info:

Oldsmobile Club of America
P.O. Box 80318
Lansing, Mich., 48908

Dues $30/yr in the USA.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:01:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

Dan Dale wrote:
> 
>With my hearse in the lead and our high beams on, traffic might not be 
>so bad if people think it is a funeral and pull over to let us by!  I 
>imagine it would be quite a scene to see a procession of oldsmobiles 
>led by an 98 hearse pull up at the meet. sound like a plan to anyone????
> 
>I love it.  And everybody in dark glasses.  If we get stopped, we'll 
just tell them we're taking Barney Oldfield to his final resting place.

   :)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:58:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Convertable Hardtops was Re: Super Dynamic 60 88!!  

At 06:55 PM 4/2/96 -0400, you wrote:

>	I remember reading somewhere that hardtop cars like that were one 
>of the reasons for the decline of the real thing.  Since you could buy a 
>hartop that looked like a convertable, had no pillars like a conv., and 
>didn't have the problems that came with a drop (or in some cases _drip_) 
>top, and cost less, they were just a whole lot more popular.
>	Also, that "bowed" top was used on other cars (remember thoes 
>early 60s Impalas?)  And then there are thoes goofy cloth top 4 door 
>sedans with the bows that were a thing not too long ago, I think maybe they 
>took the idea a little too far with that one.  :)
>
>		Scott
>	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98


Yes, I think you're right about one of the reasons for the decline in
interest in real convertibles vs. hardtops.  


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:16:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

buehner wrote:
> 
>
> ... can imagine his suprise) when he topped a hill in his Skylark 
> doing 120 or so, and came upon 70 or 80 cop cars with lights 
> flashing, etc!  :o
> He didn't need to clean his seat, but I'm quite suprised!


:) 

This is beginning to sound like a Blues Brothers movie in-the-making.  
Whose got the video equipment?

The 66 Toro and Mike
 
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:30:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

At 06:37 AM 4/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, buehner wrote:
>> I know it's been asked before, but I never saw an answer.  How do we (or
>> where) find and get that JWO membership/subscription, etc...
>
>I think this is on Bryceman's page but here is the info:
>
>Oldsmobile Club of America
>P.O. Box 80318
>Lansing, Mich., 48908
>
>Dues $30/yr in the USA.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Just to complete Greg's info, the full dues structure is

1 year, 3rd class, US, $30
1 year, 1st class, US, $40
2 years, 3rd class, US, $55
2 years, 1st class, US, $70
1 year, 1st class, Canada and Mexico, $42
1 year, overseas, $60

All are in US dollars.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: Sandy Stewart <WASTEWART@gov.pe.ca>
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:26:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet -Reply 

>>> Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu> 04/02/96 10:04am >>>
At 12:53 PM 4/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>>  >> I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning
to attend the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997...
>
>
>It would be really cool to convoy ... hellava drive from Tampa though!
>
>I probably missed it but what are the dates?  I'd have to have the beast 
>back together by then.
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>--  >Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649


I don't have the dates in front of me, but I believe it's the third week of
August 1997.  I know it's in August.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax) gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

Dan:

The date of the 100th anniversary is August 21st  (my birthday). 
Oldsmobile turns 100, I turn 40!

Sandy Stewart   WAStewart@gov.pe.ca

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:24:22 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 100th Anniversary Meet 

Thanks to Chris Witt, OCA's phone number is: 517-321-8825.  I received my 
application in about 4 days.  Check is in the mail, baby!

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"
- ---------------------------

At 06:37 AM 4/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, buehner wrote:
>> I know it's been asked before, but I never saw an answer.  How do we (or
>> where) find and get that JWO membership/subscription, etc...
>
>I think this is on Bryceman's page but here is the info:
>
>Oldsmobile Club of America
>P.O. Box 80318
>Lansing, Mich., 48908
>
>Dues $30/yr in the USA.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Just to complete Greg's info, the full dues structure is

1 year, 3rd class, US, $30
1 year, 1st class, US, $40
2 years, 3rd class, US, $55
2 years, 1st class, US, $70
1 year, 1st class, Canada and Mexico, $42
1 year, overseas, $60

All are in US dollars.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: OLDSMOBILE 442 <S_WTJAMES@vaxa.clarion.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:49:06 -0400
Subject: RE: 86 Hurst/442? 

Brandon as a big follower of the newer 442's and H/O, Salons and the like,
I never have come across a Hurst/442. 

The H/O version is based off the 442 package, with Hursts shifters, scoops,
spoilers and paint...

If this is a different breed then I hope someone tells us!!!

Good Luck.....
WES
1986 442
"The one in the passing lane....."

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