
oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 24 April 1996      Volume 01 : Number 156


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From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:06:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette)

Hi!  Here in B.C., if you have qualified for "Collector" or "Vintage"
plates, you cannot adapt your original sound equipment without risking
losing your cheaper plate status.  We got around this in our '55 98 by
purchasing an inverter from Radio Shack (or anywhere else) which plugs into
the cigarette lighter.  We then tote along a quality "boom-box" which plugs
into the inverter with the regular household 120 volt plug.  Works pretty
good, and is removable for security.

Don't know if this is a practical solution for you or not.

- -- Sherry
soballs@douglas.bc.ca
- -- 

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:34:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette)

Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA wrote:
> 
> Hi!  Here in B.C., if you have qualified for "Collector" or "Vintage"
> plates, you cannot adapt your original sound equipment without risking
> losing your cheaper plate status.  

You're kidding!  Who's running the Department of Motor Vehicles, those 
C*rvette nuts?  "Sorry, Miss, you can't have those plates, you're missing 
the overspray on the muffler."  Must be hell trying to glue tread back on 
the old tires, not to mention finding that 30 year old battery.

Dumfounded in Tampa      :o


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:42:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice

Robert Lawrence wrote:

> How about an all remote radio?

Is possible.  I think some of the removable faceplate radios use an 
infared link.  The power output is probably very low so some sort of 
bidirectional booster would be needed.

Could create other problems, though:

     Honey, were's the remote?

     HONEY, WHERE'S THE DAMN REMOTE?!?

     HONEY!!!!  ...  (CRASH!)


> No one is gonna want to steal that 25+ year old radio...

Except maybe the rest of us.


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:10:34 -0300
Subject: Re: valley gasket 

>          Sorry Chris, you are correct.  It's been a while since I've 
>          had to pull an intake.  The memory is the second thing to 
>          go... I can't remember the first.
>          
First is probably the hairline.


>          
>          Joe Padavano
>          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
>          
>          66 442
>          68 W-30
>          69 H/O
>          70 W-30
>
>
>
>

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:10:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oils... 

I've found motors much easier to start in cold temps, and bearings tend to
stay in better shape longer. Overall I think if there is a chance your cars
will operate in the temperature extremes hot or cold (especially hot)
synthetic MAY save your engine, but if your car see's normal operating temps
and normal driving its not worth the expense.


>Anyone out there using synthetic motor oil in Oldsmobiles or others?
>Any benefits, etc?  I am using a partial synthetic from Mobil in my
>'86 Salon (307).  Anyone recommend a full synthetic?  Cost is not really
>an issue, either.  Any takers? Anyone?
>
>-- 
>
>Bruce D. Brumm (bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com)
>Network & Systems Administrator
>LDM Technologies, Inc.
>Troy, MI
>
>'84 Cutlass Supreme 307-Y
>'86 Cutlass Salon 307-Y
>
>
>
>
>

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:10:29 -0300
Subject: Re: New finds, etc. 

>At 10:21 AM 4/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
> and backless bucket seat cores for
>>cheap. 
>>
>>Got a 69-70 front bumper, 71-2 rear bumper, Toro oil pan, and a bucket full o'
>

 69 - 70 front bumpers are different.

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From: "Brian Ashley" <BASHLEY@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:36:57 -0300
Subject: RCPT: Re: Synthetic Oils...

Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    22 Apr 96 13:21
    To:      oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
    Subject: Re: Synthetic Oils...

Was read at 16:36, 22 Apr 96.

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From: Dana and Mary Taylor <dmtaylor@top.monad.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:30:47 -0300
Subject: Re: How to install G-body gauges...

OLDSPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  I have written complete instructions on how to
> replace the factory Olds (78-87) Cutlass dummy light/speedo with factory
> gauges.  

I am interested. Have an 83 cutlass supreme.

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:50:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Insignia  

At 13.16 04,22,96 -0300, you wrote:
>Zack@Buddha@itw.com wrote:
>
>> does anyone know where i can get the small Hurst/Olds badges...
>
>Are you talking about the little chrome H/O emblems that are found
>inside some of the Hurst/Olds cars, the slightly larger H/O emblems
>found on the exteriors of the Hurst/Olds cars, or something else?
>
>Wes Fujii
>

the ones i am looking for are the ones on the exterior...
                         Zack
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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 19:52:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

At 14.00 04,22,96 -0300, you wrote:
>Thanks, everyone, for your advice!
>
>
>One drawback to recording new material over an
>existing 8-track is that I'm still stuck with a
>20-25 year old tape, and my experience with
>these is that they're very prone to breaking.
>As far as I know, no one is making new, blank,
>8-track tapes.
>
>I have been looking for a cassette-to-8-track
>adapter at swap meets, flea markets, and so
>forth, but I haven't found one yet.
>
there was some guy at Carlilse selling them for 7 bucks...sorry, its a
little late...but they are still being made
                         Zack
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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:13:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Carlilse car show 

At 10:12 PM 4/19/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
> and some even
>better older metal there...sorry, just had to tell you
>  

Were there any '49-50 Olds there?
>

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:26:06 -0300
Subject: Parts wanted 

I've asked before, but not in a while.  Does anyone have any trim parts for
'49-50 Olds?  In particular, I am looking for front rocker trim for '49.
"Futuramic".

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:29:48 -0300
Subject: Re: New finds, etc.

At 07:10 PM 4/22/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>At 10:21 AM 4/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> and backless bucket seat cores for
>>>cheap. 
>>>
>>>Got a 69-70 front bumper, 71-2 rear bumper, Toro oil pan, and a bucket
full o'
>>
>
> 69 - 70 front bumpers are different.
>
>
Why, yes they are!  Just looked at a few pictures I've got...the 70 has a
raised section under the headlights and the center part of the bumper
doesn't stick up as high on the 70.  Those are the major differences I see...
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:34:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette)

On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, Buddha wrote:

> At 14.00 04,22,96 -0300, you wrote:
> >Thanks, everyone, for your advice!
> >

> >I have been looking for a cassette-to-8-track
> >adapter at swap meets, flea markets, and so
> >forth, but I haven't found one yet.
> >
> there was some guy at Carlilse selling them for 7 bucks...sorry, its a
> little late...but they are still being made
>                          Zack


Zack,

When you say "they are still being made," do you mean that you actually saw 
recently made brand new ones?  Or just old ones (or NOS) that were for 
sale on some vendor's table?



Dan Gulino

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 20:45:42 -0300
Subject: Parts Wanted, P.S. 

By the way, I would like to purchase 1956 Olds spinners and/or 1950 3-rib
beauty rims.  Anyone have?

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From: BYLN96A@prodigy.com ( GLENN CONNORS)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:55:22 -0300
Subject: Synthetic Oils... 

   Just built my 455ci. for my 4-4-2 and decided that for the $ I've 
already put into the pit that I would treat it to full synthetic.  
I've researched it and it sounds like it's worth a go.  Let you know 
how it turns out.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2


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From:	 Bruce D. Brumm
Subject:	 Synthetic Oils...
Date:	 04/22
Time:	 11:01 AM

Date:     	Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:41:26 -0300
From:     Bruce D. Brumm  [bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com]
Sender:   oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca  [oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.
dal.ca]
Reply-To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca  [oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca]
Subject:  Synthetic Oils...

Anyone out there using synthetic motor oil in Oldsmobiles or others?
Any benefits, etc?  I am using a partial synthetic from Mobil in my
'86 Salon (307).  Anyone recommend a full synthetic?  Cost is not 
really
an issue, either.  Any takers? Anyone?

- -- 

Bruce D. Brumm (bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com)
Network & Systems Administrator
LDM Technologies, Inc.
Troy, MI

'84 Cutlass Supreme 307-Y
'86 Cutlass Salon 307-Y


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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:07:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Offset Wheel weights  

In a message dated 96-04-22 15:09:05 EDT, you write:

>> [the shop manual] is for all '69's; $70 + $7.50 shipping. 
>> Yeah, for the vacuum lines, you can't always guess at the 
>> factory logic (or if there actually was any).
>
>Could someone with one of these shop manuals take a look and
>see what it has to say about the vacuum system on a '69 Olds 98?
>I don't mean for you to copy something out of the book, but just
>see if the info is there or not.  I don't really want to spend
>$80 only to find out that it doesn't have the info I need.

Right, well let's see here, since the manual just came in today from Fusick's
(and they said they would ship Monday; didn't even give me time to break the
news to my wife that I had ordered one...)

p.1B-34: B and C body Custom Air Conditioner vacuum hose routing 
p.1D-61: B and C body Comfortron vacuum hose routing (also schematic on
p.1D-73)
p.6C-9: Engine vacuum routing diagrams

plus the vacuum hookups for the trannies.

In other words, yes, they have complete vacuum diagrams, in addition to
complete, color-coded wiring schematics and pictures of wiring harnesses and
connections.

All-in-all, highly recommended!

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:33:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Carlilse car show 

At 20.13 04,22,96 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:12 PM 4/19/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>> and some even
>>better older metal there...sorry, just had to tell you
>>  
>
>Were there any '49-50 Olds there?
>>

i counted about 2 in the main area...in the sale area there were MANY...bout
12...
                         zack
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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:38:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oils... 

In a message dated 96-04-22 21:04:15 EDT, you write:

>   Just built my 455ci. for my 4-4-2 and decided that for the $ I've 
>already put into the pit that I would treat it to full synthetic.  
>I've researched it and it sounds like it's worth a go.  Let you know 
>how it turns out.

I've heard that synthetics are not recommended for break-in, so you may want
to hold off on it for a few thousand miles.

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:36:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

At 20.34 04,22,96 -0300, you wrote:
>> there was some guy at Carlilse selling them for 7 bucks...sorry, its a
>> little late...but they are still being made
>>                          Zack
>
>
>Zack,
>
>When you say "they are still being made," do you mean that you actually saw 
>recently made brand new ones?  Or just old ones (or NOS) that were for 
>sale on some vendor's table?
>
>
>
>Dan Gulino
>

well, i have seen new ones...they are still made i saw them in an automotive
store out by Lynchburg VA...forget the name... the boxes at carlilse
"looked" new...but they might have been NOS
                              Zack
if i find ones...i'll put the number up here
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From: BYLN96A@prodigy.com ( GLENN CONNORS)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:31:56 -0300
Subject: Carlisle Review 

Carlisle is the place where you might bring 2 credit cards along with 
your checkbook,..oh, and maybe the first newborn.  I've seen some 
dreamy owners looking and expecting the long-buck for stuff that 
might pass for good when in their mind they think it's the only one 
existing. Yeah, the winters have been a bit long but some of these 
people are put to sleep by it.  2 years ago this spring I was there 
and this guy had a beautiful '70 4-4-2 convertible so I thought for 
$10,500. I watched it drive back to it's spot with the prospective 
buyer in the front passenger seat wetting his pants over it and I 
followed this black over white back to it's spot and took a look at 
it. The upper half was nice and as I looked under it I could hear 
this guy start dickering over price when I noticed front drum brakes. 
I popped up to look at the vin. # and seen that it was a Cutlass 
dressed nicely, I might add, with 4-4-2 markings. 
  I had talked to this guy earlier and he acted like the owner and 
after the prospective buyer walked away for a minute I confronted the 
'owner' with my find and then he told me while he kept his eyes at 
his shoes that he worked for as collision shop and his boss had him 
bring the car here to sell.  Well to make a too long of a story 
shorter my brother found the guy who was all over this car at a food 
stand and clued him in to what this car really was. Whether he ended 
up buying this misrepresentation or not I don't now but the caveat is 
'Let The Buyer Beware'.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2


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From:	 tmorris@BT1DC18E.b
Subject:	 Carlisle Review
Date:	 04/22
Time:	 09:11 AM

Date:     	Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:49:59 -0300
From:     tmorris@BT1DC18E.bet.ibm.com  [tmorris@BT1DC18E.bet.ibm.
com]
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Reply-To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca  [oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca]
Subject:  Carlisle Review

Went to Carlisle this past Friday.  Always a lot of fun.  This time 
there 
seemed to be a surplus of show quality Olds, not as many nice drivers 
as 
before.  Here's a list:

1970 w30 auto, $15,000
1970 W30 4 sp, 17,000 >>>>my dream car
   above cars were restored, absolutely flawless
1970 Cutlass, 5400, low miles
1967/68 98 conv. 12,500- not restored but beautiful and seemed to be 
30' long
1965 442 4sp, 12,500 - very nice but even so, about 4k too high in my 
view
1968 98 2 dr - 9500, clean and nice
1967 442 auto 9500, clean but fairly unremarkable
1968 442 auto 12,500 - restored and trick hood vents but still 12.5K??
??
1965 442 conv 4sp, 9800 - nice but the engine had sm block heads (#2) 
so who 
knows what he was running.


Sorry, I didn't think to get phone numbers for any of these cars.  My 
general 
view of Carlisle is that it seems to be the place to get a wide 
selection of 
cars, usually in very good condition but NOT the place for good deals.



Todd Morris
just a bit discouraged I didn't find my 442 4 sp driver at Carlisle


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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:29:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Used 403's and Engine Hoists

With a little metal stock and some welding, and a few casters, you can 
probably convert a 3 leg stang to a 4 leg pretty easily.  Maybe someone 
ought to design a product made specifically for this.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:40:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Carlilse car show 

In a message dated 96-04-22 19:43:14 EDT, you write:

>Were there any '49-50 Olds there?

'50 88 Station Wagon, specially painted Crest Blue, with a special red
leather interior.  Body plate says it's a 76, but it's been verified with
Olds History Center as an 88 w/special trim.  $9000.  Need complete
restoration.  Located in Western PA.

Paul
(not my car, BTW)

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:38:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[4]: 455 Valve Job 

>At 04:21 PM 4/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>
>>     Well, I'm a bit confused now.  Can someone explain this to me?  I'm 
>>     not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I'm a bit ignorant. . .  But, I 
>>     don't see how taking material off the head would require you to 
>>     shorten the valve.  The distance from the valve seat to the top of the 
>>     valve spring would remain the same, right?  
>
>Yes, if your just taking material off the head, it is not going to change
>the depth of the valve seat.  I think you are correct, Tom...

When you remove material from the head surface you effectivly move the vavles closer to the pistons and you also will preload the lifter with the pushrod that much more. With the non-adjustable rocker arms you have no way of compensating for this difference. The only way to get away from this problem is to install roller rockers or adjustable pushrod (not a good idea) Dave Smith or Joe Mondello sells excellent sets at approx. $400.00 for everything needed. I've used these with great results.

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:39:14 -0300
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold 

>Hey all,
>
>I need a left (driver) side exhaust manifold for a 69 350...anything from a
>64-67 330 or 68-72 350 will work...
>
I've got a set or two of them. How's $15.00 plus shipping sound?
Jim Chermack (804)474-0869





John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:38:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Offset Wheel weights 

>use OEM or same type (shock rate). Fusick has them, 
>
>
>Can somebody post an address or phone # for Fusick?
>
The address for Fusick is 22 Thompson Rd.
P O Box 655
East Windsor, CT. 06088     OR  Call (203) 623-1589



>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:40:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Parts wanted 

In a message dated 96-04-22 19:42:16 EDT, you write:

>I've asked before, but not in a while.  Does anyone have any trim parts for
>'49-50 Olds?  In particular, I am looking for front rocker trim for '49.
>"Futuramic".

Fusick Automotive has at least one of these, saw it on the table at Carlisle.
 Don't know if it was a single one or a pair, didn't look close enough 'cause
I don't have a '49.  They might have more back the shop.  Price?  Sorry,
didn't look.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:40:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

In a message dated 96-04-22 10:36:21 EDT, you write:

>So I can't play any cassettes in the car.  I know that they
>used to make these inserts that would allow you to play 
>a cassette in an 8-track player, but I haven't been able
>to find one at a garage sale, and the local Radio Shack
>says that they don't sell such an item any more

P L E A S E don't put a Mickey Mouse radio in this car!  Hang in there, I
found an 8-track/cassette adapter at Carlisle about a year ago, for something
like $10.  Whats really neat is that I can put a Cassette/CD adapter in the
8-track/cassette adapter and be able to play CD through the 8-track!  I'm
sure if some here has access to one of these, they'll gladly work out a deal
for you.  And if no one has access to one, then we'll all have to start
looking for one for you.  But please don't take that factory radio out of
your car.

Paul

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:38:46 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 Toros Really are Pretty - Honest! 

>
>I agree, I like the '68 and '69 models just fine... although one of my 
>books quotes an Olds executive at the time as saying it was a real turkey 
>(his words, not mine). I always liked turkey...
>
>BTW, not to rain on anyone's parade, does anyone recall seeing an article 
>in JWO a while back that discussed the prevalence of engine room fires in 
>'69 Toros? Don't know exactly why but I seem to recall some discussion 
>about the engine wiring harness. Be careful, Bob...
>
Yes. Ralph Braun did an excellent article about the engine fires' It was a wire harness that ran down the drivers side of the intake manifold. He states that you must check the harness an re-tape and reroute them away from any areas that get extremely hot (ie. Heat riser in intake).

Jim Chermack 



John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:27:21 -0300
Subject: brake shoes 

ok...its a little late...but i have found brakes better than asbestos...they
are kevlar composite...the shoes are riveted, and kevlar withstands higher
heat and has longer wear than asbestos...kevlar also STOPS BETTER WHEN
WET!!!  it is scientifically proven...i got mine from these guys...

Praise Dyno Brake
214-636-2722
                         zack
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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:21:13 -0300
Subject: Re: brake shoes 

In a message dated 96-04-22 23:30:20 EDT, you write:

Buddha,

You Wrote:
>
>Date:	96-04-22 23:30:20 EDT
>From:	buddha@itw.com (Buddha)
>
>
>ok...its a little late...but i have found brakes better than asbestos...they
>are kevlar composite...the shoes are riveted, and kevlar withstands higher
>heat and has longer wear than asbestos...kevlar also STOPS BETTER WHEN
>WET!!!  it is scientifically proven...i got mine from these guys...
>
>Praise Dyno Brake
>214-636-2722

Very intersting! I think, not sure, that Indy Cars and possibly NASCAR uses
Kevlar brakes too. For some reason I want to say they were messing around
with ceramic compositions also.

The reason, (IMHO), that asbestos is superior in a Toro (or larger Olds), is
purely to reduce heat build-up (causing break fade). You want to have a soft
lining for this very reason (not too soft though as you will then get
premature lock up). Also, if race cars are using Kevlar, they can afford to
replace the rotors (drums in our case) after every race as a harder shoe
(pad) will grind them to nothing, if infact, Kevlar is that much harder than
asbestos. 

I am keeping an open mind on this however. I would like to know more about
Kevlar applications to street cars and if they are availble in older show
sizes. Heck, if they work, I won't have to scour the countryside looking for
what amounts to a hazardous material anyway!  (:

Greg (T-Toro)

------------------------------

From: Travis L McWaters <travism@utdallas.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 01:59:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice 

> Since it's getting tougher to find good analog-dial radios anymore, 
> maybe putting the guts of a digital into the old case with a old 
> front panel that flips up/down?

That's the approach I prefer.  It's harder to do, but the results
look _slick_ when it's done right.  I've also seen a sort of
"flip down" trick done with the ash tray on some cars (for people
that don't smoke of course).   

- -- Travis

------------------------------

From: Travis L McWaters <travism@utdallas.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:05:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

> Hi!  Here in B.C., if you have qualified for "Collector" or "Vintage"
> plates, you cannot adapt your original sound equipment without risking
> losing your cheaper plate status.  

Ouch.  That's a petty detail IMHO.  I mean I'm all for correct
restorations, but sometimes you just can't find the right radio.
And let me guess, there's some yahoo down and the DMV (or whatever
the local equivlant is) that actually enjoys enforcing this rule.

- -- Travis

------------------------------

From: Travis L McWaters <travism@utdallas.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:15:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice 

> I think some of the removable faceplate radios use an infared link.  
> The power output is probably very low so some sort of bidirectional 
> booster would be needed.

Do you mean infared between the faceplate and the radio?  I've not
seen this.  Hmm...(the old gears start turning) Do you have any 
leads on who is making them?

The only "wireless" remotes I've seen were keychain type units that
usually work on radio-ish frequencies (similar to a garage door 
opener or some car alarms).  

- -- Travis

------------------------------

From: Travis L McWaters <travism@utdallas.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:19:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

> >I have been looking for a cassette-to-8-track
> >adapter at swap meets, flea markets, and so
> >forth, but I haven't found one yet.
> >
> there was some guy at Carlilse selling them for 7 bucks...sorry, its a
> little late...but they are still being made

I just had a brain-flash : try looking around at some of the larger 
truckstops.  You'd be supprised what those folks will have.  Some
of the rigs still on the road need those things. :)

- -- Travis

------------------------------

From: Travis L McWaters <travism@utdallas.edu> 
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:24:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Offset Wheel weights 

> Right, well let's see here, since the manual just came in today 
<...> 
> In other words, yes, they have complete vacuum diagrams, in addition to
> complete, color-coded wiring schematics and pictures of wiring harnesses and
> connections.

WOO-HOO!!!!  I'll be placing a phone call first thing in the AM.
I wonder if they can have it here before Friday.  <droll, droll>
oh, yeah.  I know this is an asked and answered question, but
what's the number? :)

- -- Travis

------------------------------

From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 03:26:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice 

> > I think some of the removable faceplate radios use an infared link.  

> The only "wireless" remotes I've seen were keychain type units that
> usually work on radio-ish frequencies (similar to a garage door 
> opener or some car alarms).  
Mine is like a mini stereo remote and it is IR.  

I have Sony CD headunit that has a wireless remote, that is IR.  It 
can be used up to 20 feet away, nice for soundoffs and such.  I have 
seen some custom installs that put the detachable faceplate in the 
sun visior, and left the head unit  behind the stock head unit 
(face only, remove guts of factory).  To insert cd's there's just a slit in the dash you slide it into.  Now 
how they eject them I don't know.  Sony makes such a thing that just 
has the display "on a string" and can be mounted about anywhere, and the guts are remote mounted, 
and the gut controls either a tuner or 10 disc  changer.  I saw a lot 
of Custom stuff when I was into the Car audio scene, stuff I can't 
even dream of.

Dink

Dink           Dayton, Ohio
80 Olds Delta 88 Royale  MSD, K&N, etc..
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD =:)

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:29:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Favorite Year Toronado 

I used to think this was an easy question, but now that I own a '69...

Here is how I rate them now:

**First Generation**

#1. 1967 Toro, because the front end where the lights are is cleaner than the
'66. This used to be my absolute favorite, but now that I have a '69...

#2. 1969 Toro, because of the "fins" on the rear quarters. I used to think
these detracted from the classic sloping-trunk lines of the Toros, but now
that I see one regularly, I appreciate how the tops of the rear quarters
continues a line that begins with the front fenders. This makes the car look
a bit longer, less like a new Nissan or something. But...

#3. I like the grill slats of the '66 Toro better than that of the '67, just
as I like the honeycomb pattern of the '68 grill better than I like the slats
of the '69. and I like the taillights of the '66 best, with the '67 a close
second on this part.

Last, I don't really like the '70 model, for two reasons. First, the front
end was designed by a person who didn't know the meaning of restraint; just
too much, and no covered headlights! Second, the '70 lost the sculpted body
sided that make a Toro's wheels look  much bigger, and scale down the
appearance of the rest of the car. Unfortunately, that's the one that got the
GT option.

**Second Generation**

I have to agree that none of these really look *good*; different, yes; good,
not so much. That block of metal at the top of the grill is meant to be
reminiscent of the Cord, I suppose, but I don't like *that* grill design
either! As someone said, the XSR was kind of interesting, but I'd take even a
'70 Toro over those any day. (just a side note: I hadn't seen a first or
second generation Toro for at least fifteen years around here, but on the way
to pick up my '69 last week, what do I see coming but a second-gen. Toro!
When it rains it pours)

**Third Generation**

Oh, anything with a fake "Opera Roof"... |^p

**Fourth Generation** (transverse)

The first transverse Toros had nice lines (especially in their Trofeo trim),
but were *way* too small! They looked like compact Grand Ams. I kind of liked
the enlarged version with the bigger trunk, but not by much.

**Fifth Generation** (Aurora)

Well, only one to choose from...

------------------------------

From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:53:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Any New Members on the List? 

>Well, I haven't seen too many "new member introductions" lately (though there
>have been a couple); has anyone joined the list recently? If so, it is
>customary to introduce yourself, and tell of your Oldsmobile interests past
>and present. I know I like hearing what other people are doing with their
>cars.
>
>So, if you have just joined the list, stand up and be counted! We'd like to
>hear from you (*even* if you don't own a Toronado...;)

Hi olds fans!

Well I have been on the list for a while mostly a lurker but reply now and then.
I just finished the seats in my 71 cutlass convertable, took a while to
find the correct color, it's seinna. The next project is the door panels
and new top after I replace the lift cylinder on one side. Does any one
have tips on doing the door panels. They are the type you build up, look
like big pain in back side.

I to have had a toronado 73 model fun car. In another letter some one wrote
about doing doughnuts easy, to do just do in reverse real interesting.  I
was much younger and foolish.  Other cars through my hands have been , 68
cutlass S,
73 supreme,69 442,89 supreme,and my present project a 71 convertable
cutlass bought from a surfer in Ca. it had not top or carpet but only cost
me $1800 and I needed a toy.

------------------------------

From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:53:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Couple of Items 

>For Sale: Offenhauser Dual Port 360 intake for a 455
>Wanted: center console parts for a 72 manual trans cutlass, G-body clutch
>pedal setup
>Questions:
>1. Has anyone rebuilt a Muncie 4-speed transmission before? If so where
>did you get the rebuild parts?
>2. What brand of clutch are you using with your manual trans Olds and
>what are your impressions?
>
>
>Your want ad for the console I might have as source I just bought a auto
>console from him for 80 dollars with shifter name is Bill, #206-334-1213,
>he is in Everet Washington. He run a small olds parts yard for cutlasses,
>had bunch of different consoles on hand.

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 02:44:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Offset Wheel weights  

In a message dated 96-04-23 01:27:19 EDT, you write:

>WOO-HOO!!!!  I'll be placing a phone call first thing in the AM.
>I wonder if they can have it here before Friday.  <droll, droll>
>oh, yeah.  I know this is an asked and answered question, but
>what's the number? :)

(203) 623-1583, or
(203) 623-1589

They should be able to ship that day, and you may have it by Friday. If the
one I bought happened to be the last one (doubt it; it was brand new, in the
shrink-wrap), call any of the places in Hemmings that advertises these
things; there's at least a half-dozen of them. The chassis  manual I got
covers all makes of 1969, but goes into detail for each of them. There is a
separate body manual for another $25, which shows you how to remove trim,
body panels and interior pieces.

Good luck! and don't forget to ask for their catalog for full-size Olds'

------------------------------

From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:01:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

>
>Daniel Gulino writes:
>> I'd like to play cassettes, but my '75 has its original, 
>> factory installed, still-works-like-new AM/FM/8-track.  
>... 
>> What would YOU do???
>

I dunno if they still make them but, in the *old* days,
we had an adapter that fit into the 8track that played
cassettes.  It might actually still be around here!

------------------------------

From: Mike Shokouhi <mvs@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:44:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Any New Members on the List?

Hi All,

I was on the list about a year ago when I was in Washington DC., 
but then I had to move to London, England 9 months ago for 
business-then popped back on the list 2 months ago w/a new address.

I'm from the DC area and am (from long distance currently) 
doing a frame off on a 69 H/O.  I finished the 
frame/suspension/brakes and motor before I left.  The shell is 
stripped and waiting to have some new metal from Arizona put on.  
I've also restored and own a '69 vette small-block conv. and own a 66 
GTO conv. (which I'd like to sell soon to help finish off the H/O).

I'm hoping to move back by the end of summer (maybe in time for the 
Olds nats in August?)

If anyone's coming out to England way, let me know-the beer is 
unbelievable and there's a lot to do -but NO Olds---:-(.

Cheers,

(thats what they say here)

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:52:39 -0300
Subject: 1970 W-32 Redeux 

          With the recent discussions on the 1970 W-32, I went back 
          over the weekend and dug up a copy of a comparison test from 
          the April 1970 issue of Motor Trend.  Under the title of 
          "American GTs", they compared a Charger R/T (440 4bbl), 
          Mercury Cyclone (429), and a Cutlass Supreme SX with the 
          W-32 option.  I can provide copies to those interested 
          (email me your fax number).  This same article is reprinted 
          in the Brooklands book "Oldsmobile Muscle Cars  1964-1971".
          
          MT picked the W-32 as the luxury car of the bunch; it turned 
          a 14.8 in the quarter, as compared to the low 14s by the 
          other two (not bad considering the Olds had a 3.08 rear to 
          the others' 3.55 and 3.50, respectively).  MT also indicated 
          that the FE-2 suspension package was a $13 option (wow - 
          ain't inflation wonderful) and did not come with the W-32 
          package, which was essentially the base 442 motor (365 hp).
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:14:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

At 10:36 PM 4/22/96 -0300, you wrote:

>well, i have seen new ones...they are still made i saw them in an automotive
>store out by Lynchburg VA...forget the name... the boxes at carlilse
>"looked" new...but they might have been NOS
>                              Zack
>if i find ones...i'll put the number up here
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Buddha,

Thanks.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:33:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

At 11:40 PM 4/22/96 -0300, you wrote:

>P L E A S E don't put a Mickey Mouse radio in this car!  Hang in there, I
>found an 8-track/cassette adapter at Carlisle about a year ago, for something
>like $10.  Whats really neat is that I can put a Cassette/CD adapter in the
>8-track/cassette adapter and be able to play CD through the 8-track!  I'm
>sure if some here has access to one of these, they'll gladly work out a deal
>for you.  And if no one has access to one, then we'll all have to start
>looking for one for you.  But please don't take that factory radio out of
>your car.
>
>Paul

I know what you mean.  I'm really loathe to taking it out.  Particularly
because I'd have to tear the dashboard apart in some unpleasant fashion
to get at it.  An adapter to allow me to play a CD through an 8-track
would be wonderful.  Who's got one?


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:35:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette)  

At 02:19 AM 4/23/96 -0300, you wrote:

>I just had a brain-flash : try looking around at some of the larger 
>truckstops.  You'd be supprised what those folks will have.  Some
>of the rigs still on the road need those things. :)
>
>-- Travis


Good idea.  I'll keep it in mind.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: Charles A Rogers <roger035@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:34:55 -0300
Subject: intake manifold

i was wondering if anyone knows of a intake that would fit an olds 455 
and also support dual quads.  thanks

dave rogers

------------------------------

From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:48:04 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 Problems

>it did with the 307, so the motor seems to be located correctly from front to
>back.  But, when I got all the accessories on today, and tried to put on the
>power steering pump, I found the pulley was too close to the power steering box
>and the belt won't fit through the space.  Also, my adjustment has been cut
>down quite a bit.  The pump and mounting bracket worked on the 307 2 weeks ago,
>I haven't had this problem before.  I thought all the blocks were the same, but

did you swap pulleys from the original engine to the new engine?  

if the ps pump bolts to the engine and the pullets are the same, I don't
understand why it won't work.  Are the mounting holes on the engine in the 
same location as the original?

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From: teubelpg@mail.hanks.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:56:11 -0300
Subject: New Member 

     Greetings to all Olds enthusiasts out there!
     
     I just found this list and I'm quite excited to be part of it.  I just 
     got back from Carlisle.  First time for me.  WOW!  They've got 
     everything there!
     
     I'm currently working on a 1951 Olds 98, 4-dr sedan.  The body was 
     pretty much rust free, but lots of dents to contend with.  I drove it 
     4 hours to my home after I purchased it last year and it runs pretty 
     good.
     
     I've just completed re-gasketing the engine and the body work.  Its in 
     the final priming stages. Man, there's a lot of sheet metal there!  I 
     found a few pieces of trim at Carlisle, but not fender skirts (last 
     piece of sheet metal needed).
     
     Just to let you know, this is NOT a true restoration project; this will 
     be a daily driver.  I'm planning to make a few "modifications" to make 
     it a bit more reliable (read comfortable).  Alternator, electric wiper 
     motor, electronic ignition, A/C, CD changer.
     
     Anyone else working on early 50's iron?
     
     
     
     Pete Teubel
     teubelpg@hanks.com

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:48:51 -0300
Subject: Re: brake shoes 

At 01.21 04,23,96 -0300, you wrote:
>with ceramic compositions also.

well, they have been for a few years...but they are VERY far away from
getting them to us...and they would be WAY too expensive
>
>The reason, (IMHO), that asbestos is superior in a Toro (or larger Olds), is
>purely to reduce heat build-up (causing break fade). You want to have a soft
>lining for this very reason (not too soft though as you will then get
>premature lock up). Also, if race cars are using Kevlar, they can afford to
>replace the rotors (drums in our case) after every race as a harder shoe
>(pad) will grind them to nothing, if infact, Kevlar is that much harder than
>asbestos. 
>

the companies use a kevlar composite, its mostly kevlar but they also put a
little metallic lining in there with it so you dont lose your drums...

>I am keeping an open mind on this however. I would like to know more about
>Kevlar applications to street cars and if they are availble in older show
>sizes. Heck, if they work, I won't have to scour the countryside looking for
>what amounts to a hazardous material anyway!  (:
>
>Greg (T-Toro)
>

its cool the way that they stop better when wet.  its all in the way that
the molecular structure of the water and the kevlar and metal create more
friction when wet than dry...i've seen a raw kevlar belt wear through a
pulley that used water for lubrication...its pretty fun to watch...but these
shoes are good...have a pair on my brothers 67 GMC truck, driven every day...
                         zack
      ___
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   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:01:26 -0300
Subject: Re: intake manifold 

          Edelbrock used to make a two-plane dual-quad manifold for 
          the big block Olds which I've run on the street with 
          considerable success.  This unit is long out of production, 
          but I frequently see them for sale at swap meets.  
          Offenhauser also makes a dual-quad manifold, but is is a 
          single plane design.  I'm assuming here that you are not 
          interested in a tunnel ram setup.
          
          The Edelbrock unit is designed to use Carter AFBs.  I used 
          500 cfm carbs with progressive linkage on a 462 Olds (455 + 
          0.030).  The linkage was set up so that the back carb 
          primaries opened first, followed by the front carb 
          primaries, then the back secondaries, then the front.  I had 
          it set up so that all throttle bores reached WOT 
          simultanetously.
          
          The one disadvantage of this manifold is that the carbs are 
          closer together than normal.  This resulted in a problem 
          with the air cleaners hitting each other (I ended up making 
          mods to some aftermarket units), however a single 
          Cobra-style unit with custom holes in the base would work 
          also.  The other problem was trying to fit under-the-carb 
          nitrous plates.  I ended up having NOS build me a custom 
          plate that picked up both carb holes (look, I needed to 
          raise the carbs up about 3/4" for linkage clearance anyway, 
          so while I was there...).
          
          This engine, in a 71 Cutlass, consistently got 14+ mpg 
          freeway and ran a best of 11.95 @ 115.5 on its one trip to 
          the track (there was a lot more in the car, but it needed a 
          steeper rear end than the 3.42s I had in it...it would just 
          lumber off the line, even with the nitrous on).
          
          I'm a big fan of two-plane manifolds for the street, so good 
          luck searching for one.  You might want to check with 
          Edelbrock, however.  They've just re-released some of these 
          out-of-production dual-quad units.  
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: intake manifold
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at OSC-LINK
Date:    4/23/96 8:44 AM


i was wondering if anyone knows of a intake that would fit an olds 455 
and also support dual quads.  thanks
          
dave rogers
          

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From: MIKE COCCAGNA <mikec@pop.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:01:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice

Mike Frederick wrote:

> Hey, Olds Peoples,
> 
> There has been a number of postings over the last few months relating to 
> updating audio systems in old cars.  Since I've been toying with the idea 
> of reopening my audio shop (one of my past sins); how many might be 
> interested in retrofitting new guts into their old radios?
 
Well, there has to be some sort of market out there for that stuff.  
I just got in a Year One catalog the other day and there were several 
radio guts in there that you strip out the insides of your old GM 
radio and insert Kenwood or Pioneer (?) guts.  Idea is to fool some 
judges while getting decent sounding tunes the rest of the time.  I 
really took notice at the extreme prices of the stuff -  $1000 and up
for a do-it-yourself kit.

Now if you could keep the flippin' dial for when you change from AM to 
FM....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

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From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:00:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette)

> This talk of car songs for the road has me thinking.

[discussion of your radio]

> So for originality's sake, I want to leave it in the car.
>  
> But for ENJOYMENT'S sake, I'd like to pull it out (and 
> set it carefully aside should I ever want to make the car
> completely correct again) and put in a modern AM/FM/cassette.
>  
> I'll lose a few points at the local car show (if the judges
> actually look that close...you never know), but at least I'll
> enjoy it more getting to and from the car show.
>  
> What would YOU do???
>  
> Daniel A. Gulino


Yes, the judges look that close.  I thought to replace my wheel locks with
the lug nuts and said, nah, they won't care.... they did.

I have just an AM radio in the dash.  I put a stereo cassette player in the
glovebox and disconnected the AM radio.  Actually, the AM radio still has
power, and lights up when I turn it on, but no speakers are attached to it,
and the antenna lead goes to the stereo.
It's more hassle to put tapes in and out, and to adjust volume, but during a
show, I just make sure the glovebox door is closed.  It's the best of both
worlds.  You get to keep the 8-track visible for show, but have the stereo
for listening.
I guess this arrangement is a problem if the judges check for a functioning
radio/8-track.  I think with some creativity the wiring could be setup for a
quick change from one radio to the other.
I also consider this to be a theft-preventive setup.  The stereo is hidden,
and no sane burglar is going to break my dash apart for the 25 year old AM
radio.  Also, the stereo is the pull-out kind, so if I'm particularly
paranoid (it is, after all, a convertible) I can pull it from the mounting
sleeve and lock it in the trunk.
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!              senko@reston.ans.net
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                   http://members.gnn.com/senko
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               '71 Cutlass Supreme convertible
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:15:26 -0300
Subject: Vote 

Although I'm only a recent member of this news group, I vote to keep the two
major topics together.  I would just subscribe to both of them anyway.

S. Hartfelder
Edmonton, AB  CANADA

'38 Olds - Street Rod

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:26:47 -0300
Subject: Portland Swap Meet 

April 12-14 was the west coast equivalent to Carlisle.  I had heard about it
for years.  Everyone told me it would take at least two days to see it all.
Well it rained without letup all day Friday.  As we have often discussed
while elk hunting - noone could pay me enough to work under such conditions,
but then, we were in hog heaven.

Maybe it takes a minimum of two days if you are a ford or chevy man, but you
can ignore most of the booths if you are an olds man.  I did find many of
the parts I was looking for but I would love to make Carlisle some day.

------------------------------

From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:28:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

At 11:00 AM 4/23/96 -0300, you wrote:

>> I'll lose a few points at the local car show (if the judges
>> actually look that close...you never know), but at least I'll
>> enjoy it more getting to and from the car show.
>>  
>> What would YOU do???
>>  
>> Daniel A. Gulino
>
>
>Yes, the judges look that close.  I thought to replace my wheel locks with
>the lug nuts and said, nah, they won't care.... they did.
>
>I have just an AM radio in the dash.  I put a stereo cassette player in the
>glovebox and disconnected the AM radio.  Actually, the AM radio still has
>power, and lights up when I turn it on, but no speakers are attached to it,
>and the antenna lead goes to the stereo.
>It's more hassle to put tapes in and out, and to adjust volume, but during a
>show, I just make sure the glovebox door is closed.  It's the best of both
>worlds.  You get to keep the 8-track visible for show, but have the stereo
>for listening.
>I guess this arrangement is a problem if the judges check for a functioning
>radio/8-track.  I think with some creativity the wiring could be setup for a
>quick change from one radio to the other.
>I also consider this to be a theft-preventive setup.  The stereo is hidden,
>and no sane burglar is going to break my dash apart for the 25 year old AM
>radio.  Also, the stereo is the pull-out kind, so if I'm particularly
>paranoid (it is, after all, a convertible) I can pull it from the mounting
>sleeve and lock it in the trunk.
>                    _
>                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
>     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!              senko@reston.ans.net
>     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                   http://members.gnn.com/senko
>     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               '71 Cutlass Supreme convertible
>_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________
>

Drew,

I've never had judges look THAT close.  The most touching any judge has ever
done to any of my cars, and that includes the judges at a national meet of
the National Antique Oldsmobile Club, was to check and see if the windows
roll down and up.  No one has ever touched anything on the dash (not even
to see if headlights, etc., work).

Also, while I think my cars look nice, they're no where near 100 point show
cars.  I don't think a couple of points off for an incorrect radio is
going to mean the difference between a best of show and last place, if you
know what I mean.  The points taken off for the wrong radio will be lost in
the noise of all the other points taken off for everything else.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: "Marc" <MSUPERSANO@flotsam.mma.mass.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 06:32:28 -0300
Subject: Priority: normal

unsubscribe oldsmobile [msupersano@flotsam.mma.mass.edu]

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:41:59 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 Toros Really are Pretty - Honest! 

>Yes. Ralph Braun did an excellent article about the engine fires.
>It was a wire harness that ran down the drivers side of the intake 
>manifold. He states that you must check the harness and re-tape and 
>reroute them away from any areas that get extremely hot (i.e. Heat 
>riser in intake).

Oh, _that_ harness. I know that well. A friend's '72 Cadillac had
come down with mystery stoplight disease; the thing would die at idle
at random intervals, but fire right up again afterwards. Turned out
(after more than a year of headscratching by various mechanics) to be
the harness in that area; an ignition wire going to the coil or some 
such component, the lowest wire in the bundle, had chafed/melted through
its insulation, and when the engine shook at just the right speed, it
would ground itself on the manifold and kill the ignition.

Probably a really grand idea to periodically inspect those wiring 
harnesses that are threaded in and around the engine block.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:56:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Philosphical Question (was Re: Cassette) 

>I know what you mean.  I'm really loathe to taking it out.  Particularly
>because I'd have to tear the dashboard apart in some unpleasant fashion
>to get at it.

Wait, was this a 1975 _Cutlass_? If so (and even if it's a different model),
you more than likely would be removing it from behind, not taking the
dashboard apart at all. You might have to drop the lower A/C ducting,
though, and there are an amazing number of sharp edges back there. I'd
measure how much work I got done on my '76 by how many minor cuts I had
on my hands when I was done.

All that aside, the radio cutout area on the dash is significantly non-
standard (I vaguely remember an angled faceplate and built-up bezels
around one or both knobs), so aftermarket stereos look routinely awful
in that location. 

>An adapter to allow me to play a CD through an 8-track
>would be wonderful.  Who's got one?

Someone's recommendation here for sticking a CD->cassette adaptor into
your cassette->8-track adaptor may be as close you can get for a direct
connection (a nicer alternative possibly being a remote trunk-mount CD
changer that broadcasts FM to your 8-track's tuner), but keep hunting.

And one more time: Would someone please tell us whether the 1975 Cutlass 
had a cassette stereo option that year?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:44:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice 

At 12:01 PM 4/23/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Mike Frederick wrote:
>
>> Hey, Olds Peoples,
>> 
>> There has been a number of postings over the last few months relating to 
>> updating audio systems in old cars.  Since I've been toying with the idea 
>> of reopening my audio shop (one of my past sins); how many might be 
>> interested in retrofitting new guts into their old radios?
> 
>Well, there has to be some sort of market out there for that stuff.  
>I just got in a Year One catalog the other day and there were several 
>radio guts in there that you strip out the insides of your old GM 
>radio and insert Kenwood or Pioneer (?) guts.  Idea is to fool some 
>judges while getting decent sounding tunes the rest of the time.  I 
>really took notice at the extreme prices of the stuff -  $1000 and up
>for a do-it-yourself kit.
>
>Now if you could keep the flippin' dial for when you change from AM to 
>FM....


The only thing wrong with this approach is that I really don't want to
destroy a perfectly good radio.  The AM/FM/8-track I have works fine,
and as a result it has considerable value.  I'd hate to destroy that value.

Andrew,

The car in question is a '75 Delta 88, but you're right, the location of the
radio in the dash means a very unconventional looking faceplate that slants
considerably forward as you move up.  I can't imaging a good-looking
aftermarket adapter for that, unless it was some sort of custom job.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: proietto@dow.on.doe.ca (Proietto, F.)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:39:22 -0300
Subject: removing over spray - anecdote

O.K. right!

Remember a while ago I submitted what was the best solution in removing over 
spray from the glass. Well, you all wanted to know what worked. So, he goes.

Sunday was better than Saturday as far as weather goes, so I thought I was 
time to bath the OLDS. First times since last summer, garage dust you know. 
Anyway I had enough of looking out to a blurred street due to the over spray 
just inside the front windshield on the driver side. I thought of all the 
possible suggestions you guys came up with:

steel wool
alcohol
terpentine
paint remover
razors
..... And on. I thought for a while. This is a brand new OEM  glass 
replacement with the sun glare  tint at the top. I don't want to ruin it! 
Ok. Never tried steel wool, I thought it migt be a little too harsh. The 
solvents, well lets say my 26 year old dash made thus far without a scratch, 
let alone discolouration. Scrap that for now. Hmmmm. The razor. I will be 
extra carefull. I've seen many glass shops use it and I did not notice any 
damage. Out comes the razor. No good! The glas is curved and the razor 
doesn't have enough contact. Scrape that one too. What's 
next....ponder....ponder...I got it. Sent my wife in for some baking soda. 
No it's not for that... Dampend a cloth and applied the baking soda to the 
cloth. Making sure the soda became absorbed with the water. Rubbing the area 
firmly...loe and behold it worked. In fact it did such a good job that the 
glass was very spotless. I did the outside aswell and it worked great. And 
you know what, the glass came out of this unscathed, the dash unharmed. 
Gessh, what damage could baking soda do!!

O.k. remember this: USE BAKING SODA TO CLEAN YOUR GLASS



Regards
Fernando Proietto

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:47:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Any New Members on the List?

Hello,

I have been 'on the list' for a couple of days now and just listening.  
My Oldsmobile cars include a 1962 Jetfire, 1967 Toronado, and a 1968 
4-4-2 convertible.  These cars have been mine for at least 10 years.  
The Jetfire is getting a new camshaft, the Toronado is being slowly 
refurbished with paint and interior work, and the 4-4-2 is in need of an 
interior.  Does anyone recommend a good interior kit for the 4-4-2?

Olds isn't my only like as I have a 1969 & 1972 AMX, 1956 & 1963 
Lincoln, 1955 Ford Victoria & 1928 Model A pickup, 1949 convertible, 
1955 President hardtop, & 1963 Avanti Studebakers, 1963 Grand Prix, 
1970 Buick GS 455, and 1962 & 1963 Dodge Polara 500 convertibles.

Thanks for letting me introduce myself.  I'll keep listening.

Bill

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 03:58:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice

MIKE COCCAGNA wrote:
> 
> $1000 and up for a do-it-yourself kit.

Whoa!  Hell, I'll do myself for only $995!      ;)


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 03:55:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Any New Members on the List?

Mike Shokouhi wrote:
>
> -but NO Olds---:-(.
> 

Go visit Clas in Sweden.  They've got them coming out their ears.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:17:18 -0300
Subject: Spicer Dist.???

I saw the article on somebody's home page here (Ulrich Buehner??) from Car 
Craft in '87.  It had an article on a blacked-out '85 442 made to handle
1G turns.  Anyways, it had a cool looking ground-effects package that included
the front, rear, and side air dams; the hood scoop; and the fender flares.

Spicer Distributing in Brighton, MI was supposed to offer the effects package
as a kit for about $1000.  I called the number and it has been disconnected.
Anybody know what happened to them?  Out of business?  Anybody else selling 
this package?

thanks
- --Dan

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:23:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice

Daniel Gulino wrote:

> The only thing wrong with this approach is that I really don't want to
> destroy a perfectly good radio.

I'm not suggesting anyone destroy a perfectly good anything.  Correct me 
if I'm wrong, but there's a hell of a lot more NON-functioning radios out 
there than working ones.  So what's the option?  Put a nice digital Sony 
in the dash?

What I AM suggesting is that new electronics could be mounted into those 
HUGE transistorized (and sometimes tube) radio cases.  Substituting the 
new pots (controls) in the place of the old ones so the system whould 
have the look and feel of the old one.  You can keep the old radio if you 
want (and I would), just get a junker (with new guts) for daily use.

Opinions?


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:05:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Any New Members on the List?

Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> ... 1962 Jetfire, 1967 Toronado, and a 1968 4-4-2 convertible ... a 
> 1969 & 1972 AMX, 1956 & 1963 Lincoln, 1955 Ford Victoria & 1928 Model
> A pickup, 1949 convertible, 1955 President hardtop, & 1963 Avanti 
> Studebakers, 1963 Grand Prix, 1970 Buick GS 455, and 1962 & 1963 Dodge
> Polara 500 convertibles.
> 

We have a winner!

(T-Carriers:  Notice the Toro?  Yeh!)


The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: "Barbara Dawson" <nstn1839@fox.nstn.ca>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:34:08 -0300
Subject: Reply-to: nstn1839@fox.nstn.ca

unsubscribe oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca

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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:40:38 -0300
Subject: wheel locks?

> >Yes, the judges look that close.  I thought to replace my wheel locks with
> >the lug nuts and said, nah, they won't care.... they did.

What are wheel locks? Compared to lug nuts?  Are wheel locks like the 
Cobra spinner type deal or nothing close.  Also when did thety start 
using lug nuts instead of wheel locks?

Dink

Dink           Dayton, Ohio
80 Olds Delta 88 Royale  MSD, K&N, etc..
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD =:)

------------------------------

From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:42:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice

Here is another option on the new tunes/old car thread:

you have a '70 Olds Cutlass with an AM radio.  you want the original
look.  you also want the sound of a Pioneer KEH-P72000.   Take the
radio, remove the front plastic, knobs, dial indicator and push buttons
and assemble them on a flat piece on aluminum so it looks original.
the buttons don't push in and the knobs don't turn, they are fastened to 
this piece of aluminum with sheet metal screws from behind.  this
"face" is hinged to the dash with hidden dollhouse hinges.  The pioneer
is mounted behind this face.  Looks like the old crusty AM, but a quick
pull on the knob opens the "door" and behind it sits your radio.

if anyone does this,  let me know.  This would be very cool.  


Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:41:58 -0300
Subject: Re:Wanted 

69 4-speed console in real nice shape
69 dual gate- OEM

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:10:20 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Wanted 

69 4-speed console in real nice shape 
69 dual gate- OEM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are aware, of course, that the only OEM dual gate for 1969 is the 
Hurst/Olds unit.  I've seen repro consoles for sale in Hemmings.  I 
think the mechanism is the same as the Pontiac units, but I'm not sure.  
There are probably others on the list who could probably provide 
additional info.

Joe Padavano
jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30
          
          

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:54:41 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel locks? 

>What are wheel locks? Compared to lug nuts?  Are wheel locks like the 
>Cobra spinner type deal or nothing close.  Also when did they start 
>using lug nuts instead of wheel locks?

Are we talking about puzzle nuts? They're usually _round_ lugnuts which
in theory can't be gripped by a lug wrench; they have a recessed pattern
on the end which nestles into a separate lugnut "key" that you carry.
The key is itself a hex nut which fits into the end of the lug wrench;
put the key nut into the lug wrench or impact wrench socket, fit the shape
on the protruding end into the matching pocket on the end of the puzzle
nut, and unscrew it.

This is a nice idea which doesn't get very far when the Bad Person who
wants your wheels realizes that all he needs to do is hammer a metric
socket (or whatever size is a snug fit) onto the puzzle nut and he'll get
enough grip to unscrew it anyway.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:32 -0300
Subject: Re: removing over spray - anecdote 

>I've been told that Bon Ami cleaner works well too, no rough abrasives.  I've
>often wanted to try, but never have.  Anyone have any experience with this?

Insofar as the GM owner's manuals and service manuals recommend Bon Ami
_by_ _name_, I imagine it does no harm.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:45:18 -0300
Subject: Re: night owls

Toronado66@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am a Funeral Director...

Does that mean your more a body man than a mechanic?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: Charles A Rogers <roger035@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:20:17 -0300
Subject: Mondello

does anyone know how to reach mondello performance through e-mail?  thanks

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:10:42 -0300
Subject: T-Shirts 

Update on Olds Page T-Shirts... I viewed samples yesterday and gave the
manufacturer the go-ahead. Today I was told that they would be printed this
afternoon and I should have them by Thursday. Distribution to you folks
will commence thereafter. Thanks again for your patience.




 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: Tony <3CQ9DELBALSO@vms.csd.mu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:34:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 Problems

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In a message dated 96-04-21 21:50:13 EDT, you write:

>Well, I have been trying for 2 weeks to get the new 350 running in my 84
[snip]
>Here it is, Everything bolted up well, the block to mounts to frame, and the
>tranny to the tranny mount.  The driveshaft went into the tranny just as far
>as it did with the 307, so the motor seems to be located correctly from
front to
>back.  But, when I got all the accessories on today, and tried to put on the
>power steering pump, I found the pulley was too close to the power steering
>box and the belt won't fit through the space.  Also, my adjustment has been
cut
>down quite a bit.  The pump and mounting bracket worked on the 307 2 weeks
>ago, >I haven't had this problem before.  I thought all the blocks were the
same,

So did I, since it really is front cover/head accessory/exhaust bolts you are
connecting things to

>but
>now I wonder if the mount bolt holes are farther up on the block, causing
the
>motor to sit too low for this car.  If anyone has run into this before, or

You may be right about the motor sitting too low. Is it possible that the
*******
Ok, I found out the blocks ARE the same, mounting holes and all.  I also found
out that the 200 metric tranny uses an offset mount, so that when I bolted the
350 turbo tranny in w/ the 200 mount, it offset the tranny.  I did notice that
it was really hard to get the tranny stud to drop into the crossmember, guess I
should have checked it out then.  So the motor is in the correct location,
front to back, as well as left to right.  But since the tranny is over towards
the passenger side, the front of the engine is closer to the drivers side,
causing interference.  I am going to grind a slot in the crossmember, or drill
a hole to allow the transmission to sit correctly, centered.  This should give
me the correct clearance.  In case anyone wondered.

Tony
z

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:26:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[4]: 455 Valve Job 

In a message dated 96-04-22 22:47:48 EDT, you write:

>When you remove material from the head surface you effectivly move the
vavles
>closer to the pistons and you also will preload the lifter with the pushrod
>that much more. With the non-adjustable rocker arms you have no way of
>compensating for this difference. The only way to get away from this problem
>is to install roller rockers or adjustable pushrod (not a good idea) Dave
>Smith or Joe Mondello sells excellent sets at approx. $400.00 for everything
>needed. I've used these with great results.

Why pay $400 when the hydraulic lifter takes up the difference?  That's what
hydraulic lifters were designed for in the first place, no more adjusting
rockers or push rods required by mechanical lifters.  As noted elsehwere, and
from personal experience, hydraulic lifters have in the neighborhood of .250
inch of adjustment.  Once upon a time I (foolishly) had the machine shop cut
.120 from a set of Olds BB heads.  I blew head gaskets (every run) but had no
valve train problems.  If you are running high RPMs with weak springs _maybe_
you'll lose a few RPM but Olds' are high RPM motors.

Adjustable push rods weigh more than stock so you loose RPM there too.

As noted in previous messages, I routinely turn my 455 over 6,000 RPM and
have gone as high as 7,000.  And that's with 25+ year old factory W-30 valve
springs and hydraulic lifters!

On another note: someone here was installing the oiling restrictors Mondello
makes in his/her 307.  Why?  The oiling problems came about primarily in the
long stroke 400 and 455 starting in '68.  I would not expect the 307 to share
this problem but I could be wrong.

Of course Mondell, Miller, etc. will sell you their products if you need then
or not, who wouldn't.  But do you need them?  I don't know but tend to doubt
it.

Bob Handren
'67 442 W-30 Modified
'70 Cutlass SX Convertible

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:18:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Sound Advice 

At 04.23 04,23,96 -0300, you wrote:
>Daniel Gulino wrote:
>
>> The only thing wrong with this approach is that I really don't want to
>> destroy a perfectly good radio.
>What I AM suggesting is that new electronics could be mounted into those 
>HUGE transistorized (and sometimes tube) radio cases.  Substituting the 
>new pots (controls) in the place of the old ones so the system whould 
>have the look and feel of the old one.  You can keep the old radio if you 
>want (and I would), just get a junker (with new guts) for daily use.
>
>Opinions?

i would agree with you...find a junked one and put modern guts inot
it...that way you'll have a stock looking radio and good tunes...
                    Zack

>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649
>
>
>
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:45:18 -0300
Subject: Re: night owls

Toronado66@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am a Funeral Director...

Does that mean your more a body man than a mechanic?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:29:49 -0300
Subject: DMR items

So, Dick Miller Racing is now offering many fiberglass pieces, including whole
tilt-front for 71-2's, W-30 like hood for 80's cars, fenders for 66/7, 68/9,
etc. etc. Also, the EFI setup, appears to be a plenum box that simply attaches
to your choice of 2- or 4-4V carb intakes. They set the injectors in the
intake, supply a control mudule, etc. Fits underhood. A cute toy for the 'cost
is no object' crowd. Those of us with rather limted funds will still find a
carb the most affordable method of mixing fuel & air.


- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:59:51 -0300
Subject: Re: New Member

> Just to let you know, this is NOT a true restoration project; this will 
Good it's your car, build it the way YOU want it.
      
>      Anyone else working on early 50's iron?
Willie has a 57 and I think someone has a 54.  I myself am looking 
for a 56 to hot rod (modern drivetrain, clean body, lowered.)

Dink

!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!!~!~
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
80 Olds Delta 88 Royale  MSD, K&N, Dynomax, etc..
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O  O O
 o    o    o    o    o    o    o    o    o    o    o   

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:32 -0300
Subject: Re: removing over spray - anecdote 

>I've been told that Bon Ami cleaner works well too, no rough abrasives.  I've
>often wanted to try, but never have.  Anyone have any experience with this?

Insofar as the GM owner's manuals and service manuals recommend Bon Ami
_by_ _name_, I imagine it does no harm.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:32 -0300
Subject: Re: removing over spray - anecdote 

>I've been told that Bon Ami cleaner works well too, no rough abrasives.  I've
>often wanted to try, but never have.  Anyone have any experience with this?

Insofar as the GM owner's manuals and service manuals recommend Bon Ami
_by_ _name_, I imagine it does no harm.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: William Ansell <wansell@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:17:21 -0300
Subject: Removing clearcoat??

I have an 84' Hurst/Olds, The clearcoat on the chrome rims is starting
to peel.. I would like to remove it all but I can't find out what to
use? I have tryed acertone.. I have spent countless hours on one wheel
and It still isn't done.. Does anyone have any suggestions?
thank you
- -Bill Ansell
wansell@lynx.dac.neu.edu

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:32 -0300
Subject: Re: removing over spray - anecdote 

>I've been told that Bon Ami cleaner works well too, no rough abrasives.  I've
>often wanted to try, but never have.  Anyone have any experience with this?

Insofar as the GM owner's manuals and service manuals recommend Bon Ami
_by_ _name_, I imagine it does no harm.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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