
oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 1 April 1996        Volume 01 : Number 134


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From: Roger Saladin <rsaladin@bright.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:53:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont 88 

At 12:42 AM 3/31/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Took a look at Bryaceman's page and it looks to be a 4 door hardtop
>>(BTW, sedan implies post between the side windows).
>
>>From 1949 thru 1970, Oldsmobile referred to their hardtop models as Holiday
>Coupes or Holiday Sedans, not 2door & 4door hardtops.  The expections to this
>rule were 60's Starfires, Toronados, '66 Cutlass Supreme, '69 & '70 98 LS
>hardtop sedans, '69 & '70 Royale coupes and the '70 Cutlass Supreme coupe
>(and maybe a few others)  Holiday was dropped for '71 and hardtops were
>referred to as just that.  Holiday was used again on the late 70's/early 80's
>on Delta coupes, but they weren't hardtops.
>
>Actually, if his sedan had a post, it would be referred to as a  Super 88
>Celebrity Sedan.
>
>happy hOLiDayS! 
>
   Didn't mean it to sound like I was disagreeing with the Olds nomenclature.
Only meant that most car buffs refer to a post as sedan, (or coupe), no 
post as 2dr/4dr hardtop. Even price guide refers to Holiday as HT, that's
why I took a look at the pic. And if it's going to be for sale, the HT's
(or Holiday, in this case), bring more money than the post equivalent.
   BTW, I didn't realize such an animal was available in '49 - had I been
asked, I probably would have guessed a start of about '53 or '54.

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:30:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Removing Carbon Build-Up

>I have heard that pouring tranny fluid slowly into the carb with the 
>engine hot and revs held high will work. The same with a slow stream of 
>water.


I have used water before and that has worked fine. I always change 
plugs and oil after doing this. I have not poured tranny fluid down the 
carb... I'm not sure that is such a good idea for other reasons...

>2. How can you tell if you've succeeded?

The car will want to stall when you start pouring in the water, gas 
tends to explode much better than water... just keep pushing the 
throttle at the carb, if you get a black cloud, you have succeeded, if 
you get nothing, there wasn't anything there to begin with...


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:30:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Heads

>I am building a 350 olds for drag racing with a 74 block.


That is great, we all want to know what your results are off the 
Dyno... Curious, I wondered why you are choosing the 350 for your 
engine choice. If I was going racing at the track, I would pick these 
engines in this order:

- - Olds DRCE2 (See April's Hot Rod Magazine for lots of new info)
- - Olds 350 Diesel (See Oldsmobile in Action volumes 1 and 3)
- - Olds 455 (full-tilt Mondello with steel crank, etc...)


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:30:22 -0400
Subject: My 2 cents...

As far as I'm concerned, I would be proud to own and maintain ANY 
Oldsmobile regardless of year, make, model, color or anything else. I 
also respect other Olds owners in the same fashion for their vehicles.


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:30:20 -0400
Subject: Wanted!

Here is a list of some things I am looking for:

1. Bucket Seats, white, good condition or better, 1972 Cutlass S.

2. Oldsmobile in Action volume #2


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
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From: David A <davida@tdl.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:44:43 -0400
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:06:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

James Smith wrote:
> 
> I am really getting tiered of getting this letter!! why don't you guys send them to each other personal E-mail or pick up the phone and cry 
about this to each other.


Can't see where it's any different than endless windshield washer 
problems, seats that won't go up, etc, etc, etc...

And speaking of crying, why don't you consider:

	A) Developing a sense of humor.
	B) Lightening up.
	C) Unsubscribing.
	D) All of the above.

The 66 Toro and Mike

Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:12:04 -0400
Subject: RE: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

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And here I thought I was the only one who had enough of this. talk about =
beating subjects to death.

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From: 	James Smith[SMTP:jsmith@radware.net]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 31, 1996 12:00 PM
To: 	'oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca'
Subject: 	RE: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

I am really getting tiered of getting this letter!! why don't you guys =
send them to each other personal E-mail or pick up the phone and cry =
about this to each other personally

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From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 31, 1996 1:19 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> =20
> And here's what the '66 98, Starfire &  88 om says (shows a 98 Luxury =
Sedan
> on the cover):
>=20
> "Your 1966 Oldsmobile is without question, the finest Oldsmobile ever
> produced.  This magnificent automobile has many years-ahead features =
in
> engineering and styling designed to provide you with many thousands of =
miles
> of pleasurable driving."

Kind of makes you wonder if thay hired a bunch of politicians to write=20
the owners manuals doesn't it?  :)

The 66 Toro and Mike

- --=20
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649




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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:22:28 -0400
Subject: Re: My 2 cents...

Mike Hall wrote:
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, I would be proud to own and maintain ANY
> Oldsmobile regardless of year, make, model, color or anything else. I
> also respect other Olds owners in the same fashion for their vehicles.
> 

Agreed.

Doesn't mean we can't poke fun at each other, does it?  :)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 17:38:07 -0400
Subject: Gentlemen, Gentlemen!!!

Folks, one of the unique things about this list is the fine behavior 
generally followed by all of the members. Despite the title of the post 
that led to this message, we have never had a flame war here and I do not 
intend to let one develop. 

There are a lot of new members here lately and so I can understand if
people aren't totally accustomed to the idea of not shooting from the hip.
But if you disagree with an individual's behavior in using the list,
please, EMAIL THEM DIRECTLY! The rest of us do not care. We all get tired
of certain topics but people don't ask these questions just to irritate
others, they're looking for information. If you don't like it, well you've
wasted maybe 10 seconds of time reading it and then it goes away. That's
what the delete message command is for. 

I have never had to use my authority (such as it is :-) ...) to toss
anyone off the list for "behavior" problems but that doesn't mean I can't
or won't. But look, this isn't usenet, and we're all friends here. We
don't have flame wars because we don't need them. There's no need to take
this so seriously. Let's just all have a good time and enjoy ourselves,
OK? 

Good!

:-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Scott R Clark wrote:

> 
> 
> > > late 70's Delta Custom [?].
> > 
> > No, not a Delta Custom, that was the '60 variety.  The '70 version was the 88
>   					^^
> 	[snip] 				^^
> 
> 
> 	 Actually, in '60 there was no Delta.  There was the 88, Super 
> 88, Dynamic 88, and the 98, and all their variants.  Not sure when the 
> Delta first appeared, but I think it was after 63 or 64.  
> 		
> 		Scott
> 	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> 
> 
> 
The Delta name was first used in 1965.



Also, I don't know if there was simply and "88" in 1960.  I think that 
all the 88 lines were preceded by "Super" or "Dynamic."


Dan Gulino

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:15:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

On Sun, 31 Mar 1996 Caray95@aol.com wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> 1960 was Dynamic 88, Super 88 and "Classic" 98, in that order.
> 
> No Starfire or other variants other than 7 body styles.
> 
> Delta 88 showed up in 1965, along with Jetstar 88(330c.i.),Jetstar I (425
> c.i.), Dynamic 88(425c.i), Delta 88, Starfire, and 98 on the bigger body.
> 
> Follwed by Delta Custom in 1967.  Delmont replaced the Jetstar.
> 
> The rest is history
> 
> Ray Kelly,
> 
> Connecticut Olds owner.
> 
> 
Ray,

The Jetstar 88 and Jetstar I both appeared initially in 1964.  The 
Jetstar 88 did have the 330 V8, but in '64, the Jetstar I had the same 
engine as all the other full sized Olds's, the 394.


Dan Gulino
OWNER of a 1964 Jetstar 88
(unless all the documentation is wrong!)

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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 18:50:47 -0400
Subject: RE: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

> I am really getting tiered of getting this letter!! why don't you guys =
> send them to each other personal E-mail or pick up the phone and cry =
> about this to each other personally

What...?, and miss endless messages about leaking windshield washer bottles, 
and removing Vista Cruiser woodgrain as well?

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:00:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Gentlemen, Gentlemen!!! 

>But look, this isn't usenet, and we're all friends here. We
>don't have flame wars because we don't need them. There's no need to take
>this so seriously. Let's just all have a good time and enjoy ourselves,
>OK? 
>
>Good!
>
>:-)

Well, said (as usual)...keep up the great work, Greg!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:07:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Canadian Parts and Cars For Sale 

>> No Mike, I think my '67 is pretty safe right about now!  Wouldn't mind a
>> nice '66 to add to the collection though...      :)
>> 
>> -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy
>
>
>I'll keep you in mind if I ever go broke.
>
>(Keep the faith ... my daughter is getting married 
>next month so it might be closer than you think!)

Well, I'm not so sure I'd want to aquire one under conditons of duress, so
let's hope I come upon one through means other than bankruptcy!!!  Of
course, a decent '66 could pay for a lot of wedding reception...    :)


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:10:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Ram Air Stuff 

>Here's the big question.  How much are the air cleaners for a Ram Air 
>setup  worth, and does a Buick 70-72 GS interchange with olds?  IF so, I 
>found an ad where someone is selling this stuff.  
>
>Buick GS/ Skylark: 67 dual scooped, '69 ram/air, 79-72 ram air; 
>$150-175.  65-72 emblems.

Cary,

Don't think they'll work, at least not the '69 setup.  I have two of them at
home; the intake plenum was pretty unique to the mating piece on the hood of
a '69 GS.  Can't really speak for the '70-'72 setup, but I'm willing to bet
they were unique to Buick as well.


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:10:24 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

Rocketeer wrote:
> 
> > I am really getting tiered of getting this letter!! why don't you guys =
> > send them to each other personal E-mail or pick up the phone and cry =
> > about this to each other personally
> 
> What...?, and miss endless messages about leaking windshield washer bottles,
> and removing Vista Cruiser woodgrain as well?

:)

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:17:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Ram Air Stuff 

>if you have a 70 and up, get a replacement hood with the scoops, 
>then again $$$, or a 69 H/O repro.  you may be able to find a fiberglass
>repro of the 70-72 hood or the 69 hood.

Somebody was advertising the '70/'72 repro ram-air 442 hoods for $450 in
either Muscle Car Review or Hemmings.


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:15:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Misc. 

> why, you couldn't even get power vent windows in the Toro! ;-)

Saw this and had to share a novel design feature of the Toro...I can drive
at 70 mph with the driver's side window down, and my (thinning) hair stays
perfectly in place. In other words, the airflow around the nose and
windshield of the Toro are so good it didn't need vent windows.  Pretty
cool, eh?


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:30:34 -0400
Subject: RE: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc. 

>What...?, and miss endless messages about leaking windshield washer bottles, 
>and removing Vista Cruiser woodgrain as well?

Don't forget shooting WD-40 all over your fine-looking but locked-up Borg clock!

:)


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:30:26 -0400
Subject: Open Letter

It would seem that the recent banter between Mr Hartlieb and myself 
concerning the relative merits of various models of Oldsmobiles has been 
taken a little too seriously by a few members of the group.  It certainly 
was not my intention to upset anyone and I considered the converstion to 
have been toungue-in-cheek and in good fun.  I'm sure Mr Hartlieb would 
be the first to agree with me.

While I admit that I am relatively new to the group, it has been my 
perception that good humor prevailed over thin skin.  Apparently, this 
has been a misjudgement on my part in some cases.

I extend my apology to the group (with the possible exception of James 
Smith whose response I consider to be over the top) for overstepping my 
bounds and I will try be more considerate in the future.


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 20:30:13 -0400
Subject: RE: Open Letter

Well I apologize for "overstepping your bounds" but it just got annoying =
to see one of your letters every time that I checked my mail for three =
days maybe it is just me and maybe I should have just kept my mouth shut =
(my fingers off the keyboard) I will try to be more understanding in the =
future
=09
	James Smith
	jsmith@radware.net
	Pryor Oklahoma
	918-825-7468

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From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 31, 1996 8:30 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Open Letter

It would seem that the recent banter between Mr Hartlieb and myself=20
concerning the relative merits of various models of Oldsmobiles has been =

taken a little too seriously by a few members of the group.  It =
certainly=20
was not my intention to upset anyone and I considered the converstion to =

have been toungue-in-cheek and in good fun.  I'm sure Mr Hartlieb would=20
be the first to agree with me.

While I admit that I am relatively new to the group, it has been my=20
perception that good humor prevailed over thin skin.  Apparently, this=20
has been a misjudgement on my part in some cases.

I extend my apology to the group (with the possible exception of James=20
Smith whose response I consider to be over the top) for overstepping my=20
bounds and I will try be more considerate in the future.


- --=20
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 21:15:45 -0400
Subject: RE: Heads

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Your right that would be my selection also, but.... I have a very small =
wallet and a lot of 350 olds parts laying around. The worst part about =
it is all my friends are trying to get me to put in a small block chevy
but I don't see that happening I told them that I would take my stock =
olds and thay could take there stock chevy and we could put in a cam =
with the same specks and my olds would drive around them any day!!!!!
=20

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From: 	Mike Hall[SMTP:mikehal1@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 31, 1996 2:30 PM
To: 	Olds E-Mail News
Subject: 	Re: Heads

>I am building a 350 olds for drag racing with a 74 block.


>That is great, we all want to know what your results are off the=20
>Dyno... Curious, I wondered why you are choosing the 350 for your=20
>engine choice. If I was going racing at the track, I would pick these=20
>engines in this order:

>- Olds DRCE2 (See April's Hot Rod Magazine for lots of new info)
>- Olds 350 Diesel (See Oldsmobile in Action volumes 1 and 3)
>- Olds 455 (full-tilt Mondello with steel crank, etc...)




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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:54:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

> > 	 Actually, in '60 there was no Delta.  There was the 88, Super 
> > 88, Dynamic 88, and the 98, and all their variants.  Not sure when the 
> > Delta first appeared, but I think it was after 63 or 64.  
> > 		
> > 		Scott
> > 	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> > 
> > 
> > 
> The Delta name was first used in 1965.
> 
> Also, I don't know if there was simply and "88" in 1960.  I think that 
> all the 88 lines were preceded by "Super" or "Dynamic."
> 
> 
	If I'm not mistaken (if I was, it certainly wouldn't be the first 
time) in '60 there was still a plain 88.  I think it was in 61 that it 
was dropped in favor of the Dynamic and Super designations only.  But, 
like I said, I could be wrong...
	
	
			Scott 
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:22:56 -0400
Subject: Amazing, incredible story

So, I was out at Padnos Iron Friday, you know, scouting F heads & such [as IF!],
went back to get the 70 Buick 455-4V & trans, and I was waiting for the Bobcat
guy to come out & load me up, when in pulls a stake truck. I see some engine
parts in it, so I go over to greet the guy, give him a flier, you know... then
I notice the sign on the truck's door... Demmer Corp.

  Cool! Get to talking to the driver, seems they are cleaning out, big-time,
even the old warehouses. We go 'round to examine the load, and what should be
there... Oh, 3-4 complete engines, 455's... a G-400 engine.. what's this? a
pair of D heads! Oh, my, and another, both brand new!

   The driver is clueless, and I convince him that I need the cast iron for the
farm, and with a small bribe talk him into just weighing the truck, then selling
me the 'scrap iron' for 50% more than Padnos was paying that day. Heh.

  He brings it to my house, where I get the cherry picker out, much to my
wife's consternation [until I explain the load's nature!], and as we're
unloading, I notice the forged cranks in the big engines. Oh, what's this down
at the bottom of the pile? An experimental AL 4V intake, with casting ID
"EE1123" just like at the museum! Heh Heh!

  As if that weren't enough, there's a pair of F heads in there, too, kinda
used and beat up, but better than most I get there...

  Now, what's to DO with all this good stuff???


- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:29:38 -0400
Subject: Stuff for sale

As if that weren't enough, I've decided to get rid of them pesky options I've
been collecting:
15x7 sport wheels, chrome rim
68 W30 intake setup
coupla NOS spoilers, $100 each, $150 for both.
UHV ignition setup, all NOS, for 68 W30, $200
2 sets of nearly new glass-belted bias-ply tires [display units]
12-bolt posi's: 3.42, 3.90, 4.??, one says "W-something" on it, $250 ea.

Other odds & ends, too.
Oh, and WHAT DAY IS THIS?  |)

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:44:54 -0400
Subject: Holiday 88

I went, I saw, I was marginally impressed. It's a "but" car.

It's a H88, BUT has a few flaws...
Body's not TOO bad, BUT the door bottoms are a-flapping...
Has clock, PL, AM/FM, BUT manual windows. Tilt & custom wt. wheel...
Buckets/ console, BUT pretty well worn...
Nice wheels, BUT not original 15x? SS's. Good tires.
Interior's there, light blue, BUT thrashed, and headliner is not there.

10-bolt BUT open....

Current plan is to fix the body & interior, unload it on some feller with more
$ than smarts as a ghetto^H^H^H^H^H^H "downtown" cruiser. It's my brother's
project, not mine. I told him to keep that steering wheel.

The above is factual, in case there's doubt. Even if it IS 01April96...
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:57:21 -0400
Subject: Sorry folks...(kinda long) was...Re: Gentlemen, Gentlemen!!!

> Folks, one of the unique things about this list is the fine behavior 
> generally followed by all of the members. Despite the title of the post 
> that led to this message, we have never had a flame war here and I do not 
> intend to let one develop. 
>
	As the one who originated the "flame war" subject line, I feel 
compelled to respond here.  
	
	First off, I would like to say that I agree with Greg here.  One 
of the things that I have enjoyed most about this list is the good nature 
of the people on it.  Unlike Usenet, when you ask a question, you get 
ansewers...not a lot of "what a stupid question" posts.  Kudos and 
congradulations to all.  
	
	Second, as I said at the very top of that message, I didn't want to 
start a flame war.  I said that Usenet would be a more appropriate place, 
as I'm sure everyone here would agree.  Everything I wrote in that 
message was purely in jest, (I mean, I even poked fun at my own pride and 
joy...my '60).  If I ruffled any feathers, or offended anyone I sincerly 
appologize, as that was never my intention.  I suppose my response should 
have been conducted in private in the first place.   
 
> There are a lot of new members here lately and so I can understand if
> people aren't totally accustomed to the idea of not shooting from the hip.
> But if you disagree with an individual's behavior in using the list,
> please, EMAIL THEM DIRECTLY! The rest of us do not care. We all get tired
> of certain topics but people don't ask these questions just to irritate
> others, they're looking for information. If you don't like it, well you've
> wasted maybe 10 seconds of time reading it and then it goes away. That's
> what the delete message command is for. 

	Agreed.  I have subscribed to this list for the better part of a 
year now, and I've heard all the WD-40 in the clocks, the wiper problems, 
what are my D heads worth, etc. several times over.  Cool.  Not 
everybody has been here as long as others, and there just happens to be 
some common problems that get asked once in a while.  Speaking of which, 
I've been thinking about bringing up the idea of a FAQ.  Don't really 
know just what would go into it (although the clock fixes would be a must 
:)  Might be worth looking into anyway.


> I have never had to use my authority (such as it is :-) ...) to toss
> anyone off the list for "behavior" problems but that doesn't mean I can't
> or won't. But look, this isn't usenet, and we're all friends here. We
> don't have flame wars because we don't need them. There's no need to take
> this so seriously. Let's just all have a good time and enjoy ourselves,
> OK? 
> 
	Could'nt agree more.  We are all here because we have at least 
one thing in common.  Oldsmobiles.  We all love them, lets not forget 
that.  Any Olds is a good Olds.  
	
	At any rate, I appologize if I angered anyone, as I said before 
that was never my intention.  I didn't want to flare any tempers, or 
start a flame war.  Sorry folks.
	
		Happy Oldsmobiling...
	
		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98  

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:58:21 -0400
Subject: stuffs

>     "As the owner of a TORONADO by Oldsmobile, you now drive a
>      distinctive car with appearance features and performance
>      benefits unlike anything on the road today.  Never has there
>      been a car with so many distinguising characteristics."

> And here's what the '66 98, Starfire &  88 om says (shows a 98
Luxury Sedan > on the cover):
>
> "Your 1966 Oldsmobile is without question, the finest Oldsmobile ever
> produced.  This magnificent automobile has many years-ahead features in
> engineering and styling designed to provide you with many thousands of miles
> of pleasurable driving."

Must've been written before the Toro was out... huh?

> I would like to know what the difference in the "7" & "8" heads are. I =
> am building a 350 olds for drag racing with a 74 block. I came across a =
> set of "7" heads but I have the "8" on it know I know that the "7" are =
> HC but what else is different and what are the valve size in the "7" =
> they are off of a 71 also what are the valve sizes of my "8" heads and =
> the combustion chamber volumes of both
>
> According to Chris Witt, the #7s have a 64cc chamber volume while the #8s
               ^^^^^^^^^^ & that Mondello dude...
> are 80cc. Don't have the valve size info handy but I wouldn't expect
> them to be much different. The 8s are lo-comp smog heads and apparently
> not the best choice.

Ditch the 8's. Do the math. What CR are you looking for? Try to get it with
80cc chambers. Let me know if you succeed. Valves same, 8 has rotators,
whoopie. if 7a's from a '72 are available, they have hard seats already in, it
is believed. Save $150 at the shop...

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 03:17:53 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

/Hyt8uj+8/5MwdG8JfhKMObaq2VizNpl9g==

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From: JK McCall <jkmccall@QBC.Clic.Net>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:36:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazing, incredible story

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> So, I was out at Padnos Iron Friday, you know, scouting F heads & such [as IF!],
> went back to get the 70 Buick 455-4V & trans, and I was waiting for the Bobcat
> guy to come out & load me up, when in pulls a stake truck. I see some engine
> parts in it, so I go over to greet the guy, give him a flier, you know... then
> I notice the sign on the truck's door... Demmer Corp.
> 
>   Cool! Get to talking to the driver, seems they are cleaning out, big-time,
> even the old warehouses. We go 'round to examine the load, and what should be
> there... Oh, 3-4 complete engines, 455's... a G-400 engine.. what's this? a
> pair of D heads! Oh, my, and another, both brand new!
> 
>    The driver is clueless, and I convince him that I need the cast iron for the
> farm, and with a small bribe talk him into just weighing the truck, then selling
> me the 'scrap iron' for 50% more than Padnos was paying that day. Heh.
> 
>   He brings it to my house, where I get the cherry picker out, much to my
> wife's consternation [until I explain the load's nature!], and as we're
> unloading, I notice the forged cranks in the big engines. Oh, what's this down
> at the bottom of the pile? An experimental AL 4V intake, with casting ID
> "EE1123" just like at the museum! Heh Heh!
> 
>   As if that weren't enough, there's a pair of F heads in there, too, kinda
> used and beat up, but better than most I get there...
> 
>   Now, what's to DO with all this good stuff???
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


Ha Ha, I was going until I went back to check out you're address to see 
where you are located.  Then I noticed the date...  Good one.

JK McCall

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:43:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc. 

In a message dated 96-04-01 02:22:12 EST, you write:

>||-rh~s~LAQ<%xJ0fZ+ebLZev

Well, I don't speak Azerbaijaini, but I think he just diss'd us!

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:31:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Holiday 88 

Hey Chris,

What year Holiday '88 are we talking about?


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:30:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

>The Delta name was first used in 1965.
>Also, I don't know if there was simply and "88" in 1960.  I think that 
>all the 88 lines were preceded by "Super" or "Dynamic."

As a matter of fact, I was just going to turn my gas station calendar
over to April when I noticed the feature car for March (shows how much
I pay attention...): a 1954 Olds F88 concept car, according to the 
caption. It's a gold 2-door convertible looking very much like the
mid-50's Olds and Buicks which would follow it, and has a huge forward-
slanted "88" insignia on the front fenders behind the front wheel.

Don't know much else about this other than that the photo is by Dennis
Adler and the owner is listed as Bruce Lustman. The calendar itself was
a Christmas freebie giveaway from the local Amoco station, with their
local address printed on the bottom. Really nice quality, though... 
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:50:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

At 11:30 AM 4/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>The Delta name was first used in 1965.
>>Also, I don't know if there was simply an "88" in 1960.  I think that 
>>all the 88 lines were preceded by "Super" or "Dynamic."
>
>As a matter of fact, I was just going to turn my gas station calendar
>over to April when I noticed the feature car for March (shows how much
>I pay attention...): a 1954 Olds F88 concept car, according to the 
>caption. It's a gold 2-door convertible looking very much like the
>mid-50's Olds and Buicks which would follow it, and has a huge forward-
>slanted "88" insignia on the front fenders behind the front wheel.
>
>Don't know much else about this other than that the photo is by Dennis
>Adler and the owner is listed as Bruce Lustman. The calendar itself was
>a Christmas freebie giveaway from the local Amoco station, with their
>local address printed on the bottom. Really nice quality, though... 


My comment applied only to 1960.  I think that earlier, the name "88" was
used as the only name, and it was the only script on the cars.  But Olds
referred to them as "88 Holiday," "Golden Rocket 88," and so forth.



Trivia question:

What the model year for the last, TRUE, 98?



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Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Charles A Rogers <roger035@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:02:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Removing Carbon Build-Up

Use Sea foam.  it comes in a can and it works great. i used it. it only 
costs about 5 bucks.

Dave

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From: OLDSMOBILE 442 <S_WTJAMES@vaxa.clarion.edu>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 13:44:51 -0400
Subject: INFORMATIONAL DATA 

I have a question thats been on my mind for a while, and maybe someone

out in "NET" land can answer it.
I was always curious as to the production numbers of the Olds 442.
particularly the newer ones. (1985-1987) If you havent figured it out 
yet, i own a 1986, in burgandy/silver, with only 58k. 
I just have always been curious as to how many where made and if there
was any certain color that was lproduced less than the others.
Anybody-Anybody-Anybody.....

WES JAMES
owner/operator
86' 442

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:51:55 -0400
Subject: Do you have a keyless entry system? 

This is for those members who have newer-model Olds with the
factory keyless-entry option (with the little keyring transmitter).
If you have this feature on your car (the _Oldsmobile_ option, not
an aftermarket brand; it presumably will have either an Olds logo
or a GM logo on the keyring remote), I'd appreciate hearing from
you with answers to the following questions. I am trying to put 
together some FAQ info on this for the FAQ file, and yes, there is 
one in development by some guys on the list.

1) Year and Model of your Olds?

2) Did you buy it new or used? If used, was it from a dealer?

3) How many remote keyring transmitters did you receive with your car?

4) How many buttons are on it, and what features do they operate? (Just
briefly list what each button says on its label, or what it does.)

5) Were the transmitter(s) working when you got them? Have they broken?
If so, what went wrong? Did you fix them yourself, have someone else
fix them, toss them in a drawer or throw them away?

6) Have you ever changed the battery or batteries? If known, what number
(type; e.g. 2016) of battery is used?

7) Do you know how to program the transmitter(s) for the car? Have you
ever paid anyone else to do it?

8) Have you ever bought replacement transmitters? If so, from where and
for how much?

I am not in a rush for this information; please be as detailed as you can
and send it whenever convenient. I'm trying to pull together info on this 
topic, and determine what details are common to most if not all users. 
Thanks for your input.
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Paul Elosge <elosge@eco.twg.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:05:22 -0400
Subject: RE: Re: 98 Toro Flame War? Was...Re: Misc.

I might have been the one that got this 98 Toro flame war going, but
I want to clarify some things that might have caused confusion...

I left out a word or two that would have made the meaning much
clearer:

  > to see the "ladies" for the evening
  and
  > the paying customers would be in a 98

These "ladies" are "ladies of the night" as in "prostitutes"

The immediate comparision was between a 98 and a Pinto, as to which
car the prostitutes would be more likely to think had a "paying
customer"!

I don't know if younger guys today talk about/consider/pursue the
prostitute thing these days. At one time it was almost a rite of
passage type of thing. A whole lot of things have changed... AIDS,
confiscation of the john's car, etc. You wouldn't want to lose your
Toronado that way.

I am a great fan to Toronados... I lusted after them when I was in
junior high... but alas, my father would only spring for an F-85
back in 1966. I still consider the Toronado one of the great engineering
achievements of the 1960's.

Comparing 98's to Toronado's again, for going out on the town, to
dinner and a show WITH ANOTHER COUPLE, cruising the boulevards... kind
of a 1950's/60's rich (older) people's thing... it's hard to get in
and out of the back seat of ANY two door car with dignity. With a 98
four door it's possible to maintain one's dignity. It's also hard to
do the chauffeur-driven thing in a two door car. One neighbor of ours
in the 1960's had a chauffeur-driven mid 1950's 98. Although two doors
(both convertibles and hardtops) are the most sought after body
styles, I consider the 4 door hardtop to be the only body style that
was uniquely American and representative of the mid 1950's through
early 1970's period. It didn't exist before then, and hasn't been back
since (as far I a know, hardtop sedans excluded). And there were very
few made in other countries.

I'll admit I'm more than a bit biased toward big luxury cars!

- - Paul Elosge (elosge@eco.twg.com)

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:16:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

hello everyone...   as for when the dynamic name came around....

it happened right after wwII.   1946 had the dynamic series of 66, 68, 
76, 78, and yes the dynamic 98.  it was a part of the promotion of the 
hydramatic drive that was introduced in 1939 for the 1940 model year.
the automatic transmission was "perfected" (so to speak) in the tanks, 
so soldiers that may have lost a limb could operate the tanks w/o 
pushing a clutch.

from 46-48 right after the war, oldsmobile gave a new olds to every 
soldier that was missing a limb with hydramatic (but the owner had to 
add the extras (ie, turn signals, enlarged break pedal, interior and 
exterior rear view mirrors, heat, windshield washer, back up lights, 
etc.)  to help promote the sales of oldsmobile with the hydramatic.

since the body style was still the prewar design, they used the term 
"dynamic" for the smart lines of the car, and the "smart" grill the car 
had.  and the slogan was...  "it's smart to own a(n) (dynamic) olds"
in 1948 the bodystyles started to change to the 48-53 design that many 
may know of with the v 8 engine (the rocket engine).  in 1949 the 
dynamic 88 was introduced.


as for the 66, 68, 76, 78, and 98....  the first of the two numbers said 
the body size.... the 60 series was the smallest with a 119" wheel base.
the second number was the size engine.... so a dynamic 66 was the 
smalest car with an in-line 6 cylandar engine (238 cu in) and a base 
price of $1,733. the 68 was the same car but with an in-line 8.  
the 98's only had the

to make a long story short (too late!), the term dynamic for olds came 
about right after the war in '46, and futurematic in mid '48.


- --joe   with the '47 and the '48 olds.

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:24:44 -0400
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From: Cary Yamamoto <yamamoto@unr.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:28:21 -0400
Subject: '66 Olds for sale

I happended across the local car trader paper this morning and spotted a 
'66 Delta 88 2 dr hardtop for sale.  It says its loaded and has 83k 
miles.  From the looks of it, it is really clean, but has centerline 
wheels on it ( i think).  Asking price is $2000



Cary Yamamoto                                 University of NV, Reno
Coordinator,                                  Prospective Students/110
Prospective Students                          Reno, NV  89557
                                              (702) 784-4865 
	                                      (702) 784-1852 fax	 

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:27:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom

i feel that the last "true" 98 was in 1948.  am i right?  did i win a 
prize?  the ny lotto is now 17 million dollars!  do i get a cut?

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 04:45:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazing, incredible story 

     Ha!  That's nothing.  The Little Old Lady next door saw me working on 
     my car and asked if I might be interested in one she had.  In her 
     garage was nothing other than a '69 Hurst/Olds with 75 miles.  Seems 
     she stopped driving it because "a few things went wrong".
     
     So, a rebuilt washer-pump and some WD-40 on the clock later and it's 
     good as new and now sitting in my parking space.
     
     Tom L.
     
     Did I mention the trunkfull of NOS dual-snorkel intakes and 
     rear-wings?
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Amazing, incredible story
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    3/31/96 9:45 PM

and what should be there... Oh, 3-4 complete engines, 455's... a G-400 
engine.. what's this? a pair of D heads! Oh, my, and another, both brand new!
     
   The driver is clueless, and I convince him that I need the cast iron for the
farm, and with a small bribe talk him into just weighing the truck, then selling
me the 'scrap iron' for 50% more than Padnos was paying that day. Heh.
     
  He brings it to my house, where I get the cherry picker out, much to my
wife's consternation [until I explain the load's nature!], and as we're 
unloading, I notice the forged cranks in the big engines. Oh, what's this down 
at the bottom of the pile? An experimental AL 4V intake, with casting ID 
"EE1123" just like at the museum! Heh Heh!
     
  As if that weren't enough, there's a pair of F heads in there, too, kinda
used and beat up, but better than most I get there...
     
     Now, what's to DO with all this good stuff???

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:10:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

At 12:27 PM 4/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>i feel that the last "true" 98 was in 1948.  am i right?  did i win a 
>prize?  the ny lotto is now 17 million dollars!  do i get a cut?


Nope, not according to my source.  :)

Any more guesses?


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Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:08:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Delta Custom 

Joe,

Thanks for all the info about the Olds names after WWII!



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Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:24:54 -0400
Subject: You got me...was Re: Amazing, incredible story

> Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> > 
> > So, I was out at Padnos Iron Friday, you know, scouting F heads & such [as IF!],
> > went back to get the 70 Buick 455-4V & trans, and I was waiting for the Bobcat
> > guy to come out & load me up, when in pulls a stake truck. I see some engine
> > parts in it, so I go over to greet the guy, give him a flier, you know... then
> > I notice the sign on the truck's door... Demmer Corp.

	*snip*

> >   Now, what's to DO with all this good stuff???
> 
> Ha Ha, I was going until I went back to check out you're address to see 
> where you are located.  Then I noticed the date...  Good one.
> 
	I actually got this message last night, and it did'nt even 
register until I read this today...Doh!  The 'ol brain was running a 
little slow I guess.   For about 12 hours I thought Chris hit the 
jackpot!!!
	
			Scott 
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98    

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:39:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Lead Bodywork

> Hello there!!!
> 
> Can anyone point me in the right direction to finding a book on the basics
> of lead bodywork?  I have looked around in bookstores, and at the local
> library with no luck.
> 
	I know this is a little late, but if anybody is still curious 
about body leading, I just got a book from the library on bodywork that 
talks a little about it.  It's called "Paint and Body Handbook" (I just 
love original names like that) from HP Books...the same guys that put out 
that "How to Build Horsepower Vol 1" (but mysteriously, no Vol 2) if I'm not 
mistaken.  
	It gives the basics on the different stages of bodywork, on welding, 
etc.  It gives a decent description of body filling with lead, and it's 
got lots of pics.  And of course they give a section on...my nemisis...
				BONDO!!!
	Anyway, it dosn't give as much detail as a specialized book (ie. 
one specifically about welding, body filling, metal shaping, etc) but it 
does give a prettty good overview of the whole process.
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:59:17 -0400
Subject: Re: '66 Olds for sale

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Cary Yamamoto wrote:
> I happended across the local car trader paper this morning and spotted a 
> '66 Delta 88 2 dr hardtop for sale.  It says its loaded and has 83k 
> miles.  From the looks of it, it is really clean, but has centerline 
> wheels on it ( i think).  Asking price is $2000

If I'm remembering correctly, these (along with the '65s) had one of the 
neatest dash designs of that era, with huge round dials and lots of 
chrome. Maybe Bryce can scan a photo of the dash onto his page soemtime.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:57:41 -0400
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass Parts -- Want Some, Got Some to Sell/Trade

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437

what would a good price be for a rechromed bumper still in the shipping 
paper be?  (5 pieces to the bumper)  is $150 good?  (bumper goes to a 47 
olds)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:19:02 -0400
Subject: Diagnosing Bearing Problems

I had always heard bad bearings described as causing a loud knocking 
sound. In fact, it seems like every second K-car that I hear at an 
intersection has that distinctive rap.

My question: is that the main symptom? How can you tell exactly which set of
bearings has gone bad (main, rod, cam) without tearing down the engine? 
Are there other symptoms that indicate bearing problems without a knock? 
If I pull my cam and intake, what visual clues indicate bad cam bearings, 
and how big a job is it to pull and replace them with the engine in the 
car? I read the service manual on this but they described doing it with a 
bunch of special tools, etc., and it was hard to tell how major a job 
this is. Anyone done this?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:35:45 -0400
Subject: The cat [dog] is out of the bag! 

Hello everyone!

Scott brought up an important point, where's our Olds FAQ?  Well, after having 
asked that same question, I would like to say it's currently 105K in size and 
about 2 weeks from the first draft being released.  Here's a smidgen of the 
index:

A. OLDSMOBILE V-8 HISTORY
     1. The Rocket Era
     2. Generations
B. IDENTIFYING 1949 - 1964 ENGINES
C. IDENTIFYING 1964 - 1990 (small and big block) ENGINES
D. IDENTIFYING 1964 - 1976 BIG BLOCK ENGINES
E. IDENTIFYING 1964 - 1990 SMALL BLOCK ENGINES
F. IDENTIFYING 1994 - PRESENT ENGINES
G. HEADS 1949 - 1964
H. HEADS 1964 - 1990
I. HEADS 1994 - PRESENT
J. CRANKS 1949 - 1990
K. CRANKS 1964 - 1990
Z. APPLICABLE TO ALL VEHICLES
     1. Clock Repair
     2. Wiper Motor Repair

Please wait on contributing anything at the moment.  I'm really busy getting the
current material organized.  I'm lacking 1897 to 1964 and Aurora engine info.  I
would appreciate if you could let me know what you have before sending it.  That
way I can ask any questions, etc.

I can't wait to release it!

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

- --------------------------
I've been thinking about bringing up the idea of a FAQ.  Don't really 
know just what would go into it (although the clock fixes would be a must 

  Happy Oldsmobiling...
 
  Scott
 1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98  

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From: Tony Molinaro <bakereng.com!AMOLINARO@bakereng.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:45:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazing, incredible story -Reply 

Are you parting with the extra wing. I have an extra 69 Hurst/Olds hood
scoop if interested

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