
oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 31 May 1996        Volume 01 : Number 191


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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:20:14 -0300
Subject: Re: broken dipstick guide tube

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Anyone got suggestions for this guy whose 70 Toro dipstick guide tube broke off
> at the block?
> 
> > From grbrkhrt@kanservu.ca Wed May 29 16:14:40 1996
> > Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:12:20 -0700
> > From: Graham Burkhart <grbrkhrt@kanservu.ca>
> 
>
> Man, are these Toro owners LOYAL, geez. 

Cris:

My 1967 Toronado wasn't run since 1984 when my son got rear ended until 
this spring.  I had to redo the brakes, fuel hoses, tune engine, replace 
flat spotted tires, replace muffler (Camaro dual exhaust type) & rebuild 
the carburator.  It is fine now.  The transmission, engine, & axles 
needed nothing.  I have to be loyal to a car that treats me this good.  
Anything else sitting this long would be only good for junk.

Those dip stick tubes are a pain.  A suggestion is to split the tube in 
the block with a small sharp chisel so that a tang can be made that 
needle nosed pliers can grab and possibly work out.  The other 
suggestions on the threaded bolts sound plausable too.

Bill Culp

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:26:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Reatta

> My favorite is Alamo: a car rental company named for an event where
> all the Americans got killed.
> 
> Second prize: Amelia Earhart luggage, named for a traveler who vanished
> en route and was never found.

There's also an airline (which I flew once) offering non-stop flights out 
of the Raleigh-Durham hub.  Its name?   . . . . . Midway.

8)
peg

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:28:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toro AC Compressor

Michael Blennerhassett wrote:
> 
> The comments about rebuilding vs. swapping for a rebuilt unit fit my
> experience.
> 
>   It seems to be serious work to get
> right; even my A/C shop sends them out to a major central rebuilder.
> 
> For what its worth...
> 
> A Canadian 1966 Toro

I agree.  Don't make AC your learning experience in mechanics.  Even the 
experts have trouble getting this one right.  Buy the rebuilt and get it 
over with.  All AC work is expensive EXPENSIVE! The parts are bad, but 
labor is sometimes even worse.  

Bill Culp

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:36:37 -0300
Subject: Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...

> The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with personalized
> license plates reading "BLK GT 93". Gee, thanks; if the car wasn't
> captioned for the hearing-impaired, I guess we wouldn't know what he was
> driving. He paid extra to get those plates, too, and that was the best
> he could think of? Wow. Kind of limits his options for replacement cars,
> too, doesn't it?  :-)

Waitaminute, now . . .  my Calais's plate says "Calais" and my Supreme's 
plate says "86 Olds".  Better to have that on there than something 
*really* stupid, like Hot Mama . . . . ;)  And besides, it's 
educational.  Still meet a lot of people who aren't familiar with the 
Calais from that era (1978).  And anything publicizing Olds is cool.  :)

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:36:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Colors

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> >Is it just me or are the color choices available on new cars these days
> >pretty limited?
> 
> 

It is nearly impossible to get a really distinctive car today.  The 
choices are so limited that yours looks just like the six others that 
you saw in the parking lot.  You are lucky if there are three interiors 
and six exteriors and half of those no one wants.

I have a dark cherry Lebaron convertible with a mathcing leather 
interior.  In looking at the new ones, I have to accept gray or tan to 
go with basic black, white, red, dark green or some purple color.  What 
kind of choice is that?  The other companies aren't doing any better.

Bill Culp

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:26:02 -0300
Subject: ok... 

today i saw a nice olds...a 72 Cutlass body on a RamCharger frame...a 4x4
Cutlass!!!it has dual exhaust...hey a 4x4-2...heheh sorry...

on a differnet note...anyone have expeieance using a 3 speed auto shifter on
a 4 speed?...i'm thinking about using a Indymatic on my truck...
                    zack
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\         "I only kill to know i'm alive"
 *************

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:23:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Colors

> Andrew C. Green wrote:
> > 
> > >Is it just me or are the color choices available on new cars these days
> > >pretty limited?
> > 
> > 
> 
> It is nearly impossible to get a really distinctive car today.  The 
> choices are so limited that yours looks just like the six others that 
> you saw in the parking lot.  You are lucky if there are three interiors 
> and six exteriors and half of those no one wants.
> 
> I have a dark cherry Lebaron convertible with a mathcing leather 
> interior.  In looking at the new ones, I have to accept gray or tan to 
> go with basic black, white, red, dark green or some purple color.  What 
> kind of choice is that?  The other companies aren't doing any better.
> 
> Bill Culp
> 

I see a lot of really weird colors on cars now-a-days.  And, paint sure
seems to have improved.  I don't think the problem is colors, as much
as that all cars seem to look like a jelly bean.  They all look alike
no matter what color they are.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: Willie Fruean <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 01:25:26 -0300
Subject: Re: alternator vs generator

I had replaced my generator for an alternator recently. I would suggest 
doing it. A lot of people don't want to do it because it is not 
origional. I f you plan on driving your car a lot I would do it. It is 
not irreversable anyway. You might find problems with your battery not 
being charged because your generator will not charge it at idle. I think 
it doesn't actually kick in until you reach 1200rpm. Correct me if I'm 
wrong but it's somewhere around there. Other problems I had are ampage 
problems. A stock generator is not higher than 30 amps and 35amps if 
it's on an airconditioned model. A normal alternator puts out 60amps. I 
had trouble blowing my generator. I blew it two times. I suggest to 
convert to an alternator and keep your generator on the side for when 
you want to sell it all origional. It's really easy to do and it doesn't 
destroy your wiring harness. If you decide to do it and you need help, 
just let me know.


Willie
'57 Super 88

P.S.- What kind of car is it anyway?

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From: Willie Fruean <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 01:28:10 -0300
Subject: Re: fisher body sign

Fusick Automotive sells them.

(860)623-1589

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 01:45:57 -0300
Subject: new JWO

June 1996 JWO contains the following tidbits, and more:

1969 Rallye pak, $??. Bernie Karhoff 419-641-2385
  somebody was looking for one here a while ago...

D heads, casting number "342" [Wow, that IS rare, most are casting number
400370... wonder if he found the casting DATE instead...], $trade for stuff...
like steel crank, ported heads, etc.

This one tickled me...
"1968 H/O W46 AC PW Correct C head 455. 68 Cutlass S post coupe. Black buckets,
console, AC. 1968 Cutlass 4-door. 1970 E-head 455. Some new parts. Package
deal. Must sell my dream to build my wife's dream home. $8500. 205-956-4263."

Now, Tom, if you're out there, don't take this as an insult, but, heh, what
kinda 'dream home' are we talking about here for *$8500* !?!?! Heh, ha ha.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:32:37 -0300
Subject: Re:anybody know?

Just got my motor together and started it yesterday but I have an
overheating problem.  I believe it has to do with the crank pulley to water
pump pulley size/ratio.  I'm not sure which is the right size.  It's a
455ci. with a new water pump, 180 degree stat. and new 3 core radiator.  I
need some help here.     If someone can measure their water pump pulley and
crank pulley diameter it would help out to figure if I've used the wrong
combination.

Thanks,
Glenn
'69 4-4-2
  

    4      4      22222
   44     44          2
  4 4    4 4        22
 44444  44444     22
    4     4      22222

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:41:38 -0300
Subject: Thurs. Misc.

> Weren't those Toronados fwd?  How'd they fit 455 cu. inches of motor and
> tranny and diff all up there?  Just curious.

Well, at first, there was only room for 425 cubes... They use a low-profile
intake manifold and air cleaner.

> only used it for drag racing.  Some problem with using epoxy in the water
> jackets.  Anybody else remember this article?  I think it was in Popular Hot
> Rod 5 yrs ago.
> Roger Borlase

It was Mondello's catalog, this year, too. Yep, 350 Diesel block, 425 crank
turned down to Chevy rod size, Custom rods & pistons, clearance the block...
About oh, $3000 for the basics. But you get a HUGE *small block* engine. Def
not for the novice, but for the wealthy man or woman who wants to really wow
the crowd...

> Seeking a nice 455...preferably '70 or earlier (like that high compression)
> for an engine swap in my '72 Delta 88 (Was 350).  Will also probably need
> accessory brackets (alternator, AC) and any other necessary conversion

Watch the papers, yards as you drive. there was a whole 68 Toro here coupla
years ago for $250... and I missed it...

> From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
> Subject: RE: broken dipstick guide tube
>
> Duct tape? :)

VERY funny, Joanne! I presume you know that the *real* repair material for such
instances is, of course...
   JB Weld!
[Duct tape is only for exterior repairs!]  :)

> Please don't take this the wrong way but you really need to edit your follow-u
> postings by snipping out previously posted material. We had a rather long
- --snip--
>          |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark

*this* from the guy with the electronic billboard of a sig file  :) -Chris-

> Y'know, I don't mean to sound anal-retentive about this, but aren't
> there some clear directions out there somewhere on exactly how to set
> up a hot tank, what measurements of chemicals to dump in to how much
> water, and that sort of thing? NO FLAME INTENDED HERE, but I've been
> reading an awful lot of guesswork and approximations on this topic from
> the same people who worry about thousandths-of-an-inch discrepancies in
> their engines. Aren't we being a little inconsistent here, folks? :-)
> Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431

I dunno, this is the 1st I'd heard of the process done at home... But really,
Andy, c'mon, in engine work 0.001" *matters*, whereas +/- 1g of lye matters
not... heck, probably +/- 1 CAN of lye matters not.
  btw, more concentrated solution did NOT work, I still have greasy parts. :(
Maybe I didn't heat it enuff or long enuff. fumes were pretty bad- had to move
it out of the garage- skin rust was appearing on exposed parts in there too.
Oh, the AL rocker pedestals did NOT get eaten, they were just hiding...
  Back to the drawing board I guess. -Chris-

> My wife works transfering titles for a used car dealer. He had a 64 F-85
> out on a note (Tote-the-Note) that he was in the process of repossessing.
> Told him to tell me when he got it back and I would give him a cash offer
> on it. Checked back with him this week and he tells me he already unloaded
> it for $100!!!. Said the engine was blown! Needless to say I was a slight bit
> dissapointed!

So, track down the present owner, leave your name & number... '64 parts are
hard to come by anymore... -Chris-

> The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with personalized
> license plates reading "BLK GT 93". Gee, thanks; if the car wasn't
> captioned for the hearing-impaired, I guess we wouldn't know what he was
> driving. He paid extra to get those plates, too, and that was the best
> he could think of? Wow. Kind of limits his options for replacement cars,
> too, doesn't it?  :-)
> Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431

Saw a MCarlo today... it had xst pipe tips shaped like a blowtie... among other
'improvements'... and the guy driving it felt the need to get literally 3" from
the car ahead as they waited for the light to change... just goes to show ya,
it don't take smarts to get a driver's license. -Chris-

> From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: 403 Solid Webs!
>
> 2500 produced
> Block Casting #557265-4A or 553990-4A
> Mostly found in certain 1977 Buick Station Wagons built in 1976.
> Can be found in Pontiac Bonneville (year?) with tow package.
> Can also be found in 1979 Pontiac Trans Am with tow package and block
> casting #554990-4A
> Block casting number is found behind the timing cover between the oil
> fill tube and the oil sending unit.

Yeah, right, OK, same thing we heard before... except this is the 1st I've
heard of diff. casting numbers for the 403... and *1* digit off at that??? The
554990 vs 553990... Yet all have "4A" eh? Ahem, okay... He *is* the *the*
expert after all...

But I ain't sending the freebies out till I have in my hot little hands the
*photographic proof* or other incontravertible evidence...

> Source: Mondello Olds V-8 Engine Technical Reference Manual
> GOT IT TODAY, lots of fun reading here, if you like tech stuff, like me!
> Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan

Oh, now, I am SO jealous! How come I don't have one yet?! I'm in MI too! :(
Hey, did he either correct his table of engine cam bank angles, like I
suggested to him, or offer proof that '67 engines use 39 degree cba's? Did he
drop the 425 from the 1964 listing, etc.?
  I can't wait.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Bill Gochenour <billg@sjuvm.stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:06:45 -0400
Subject: 83/84 Hurst/Olds rear deck spoiler

Anybody out there know where to find a right side wing tip for 
the rear deck spoiler on the 83/84 Hurst/Olds. Even a damaged spoiler is 
ok as long as the wing tip is useable.


Bill
 ---------------------------------------
|83 Hurst/Olds 15tn aniversary edition  |	Not your fathers
|86 442                                 |	  Oldsmobile ?
 ---------------------------------------

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:12:09 -0300
Subject: Re: T-tops, decals, progress, tire size 

>1.  does anyone know of a good company to get T-tops for my S-10/bravada?
>i'm looking for t-tops to make it look better, as if making it an olds wasnt
>the best :)

     Many years ago, I heard about some outfit out of the Seattle area that
installed T-Tops (for around $2200!)  No ideas of name or truths.  Any
locals out there know?
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:12:15 -0300
Subject: Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To... 

>The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with personalized
>license plates reading "BLK GT 93". Gee, thanks; if the car wasn't
>captioned for the hearing-impaired, I guess we wouldn't know what he was
>driving. He paid extra to get those plates, too, and that was the best
>he could think of? Wow. Kind of limits his options for replacement cars,
>too, doesn't it?  :-)

     I guess he couldn't afford ~handicapped~ plates!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:12:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Beater suggestions 

>     My two primary concerns are money and space.  Under $500 (preferably 
>     about $300) and small enough to only kill a minimal-sized patch of 
>     grass in the back alleyway.  I know most people here think similarly 
>     to myself (full-size, RWD, V8, Olds) when it comes to car tastes, so 
>     I'm wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for cars.

>     So.... anybody got any good suggestions?

          Two words:  Starfire and 455.  Seem to sound good together!  Oh,
$300?  One word... Starfire...   Small, Cheap, and still Olds.  (without the
threat of looking or acting like a Nova!)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:12:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Most stolen car in U.S. 

>I heard the 85-87 cutlass was the most stolen car in US cuz the parts fit
so many other cars... buick, pontiac... is this still/was ever true? Good
reason to skip the paint job....

     Yep, the '81 thru '87 have been number 1 for many years now (ahead of
Camaro, ~as usual~) While most of the body panels are model specific, they
still fit a large number of years.  Chop shops love that kind of stuff!  And
the mechanicals fit many models and years.  Keep 'em safe!  (Course, it
wouldn't bother me to have my windows stolen, now!  (they'd all fit in a
bucket, and I wouldn't have to ~clean them up~!@!)  
     Actually, I have all side windows tinted and installed now.  The back
will be in tomorrow (already tinted, too)  Anyone ever undertake this task
with a vinyl top?!!  What a pain in the tailpipe!  The glass will be nice,
but the top is going to be a lot of work...  The car looks great, tho, with
the tinted windows!
     On that note (following my 'weakenned, er, uh, weekend entertainment'
thread) I got the official damage estimate yesterday.  Dash discontinued,
said I'd be lucky to find one at $700.00!  That, and two other discontinued
trim pieces are ~not~ included in the $3900 bottom line!!!  Ten minutes of
glory for some stoned kid costing $4500!  Ouch!  (I don't have full
coverage, so I won't see that much, but if they get a bust, we'll be
shooting for it!)  Fortunately, I had two spare door glasses (?) just in
case, and I got the back three for $100 at a local lot.  I know of a good
dashpad nearby that I can have for a song, so I'm guessing this little crime
spree will put me up around $175.  Not bad.  Labor intensive tho!  What a
mess.  I got pictures, I guess they'll end up on my "shit happens" page.

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 07:12:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Beater suggestions 

>>      So.... anybody got any good suggestions?
>
>Is the list server working properly?  This thread has been going on
>for several hours, and nobody has suggested a Toronado.

     What, and use the words Toro and BEATer in the same sentence?!!?
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:54:58 -0300
Subject: sig

Gee Chris, you hurt my feelings! ;-)

(had to agree with you though, was kinda big!)

How's this?:

 
       __        __      ___
      /  |      /  |    / _ \
     /   |     /   |   |_| | |		Pat Clark
    / /| |_   / /| |_     / /		 69 442
   |___   _| |___   _|  / /__           400/TH400
       |_|       |_|   |_____|        clark@abu.com

  "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:01:27 -0300
Subject: Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To... 

>Waitaminute, now . . .  my Calais's plate says "Calais" and my Supreme's 
>plate says "86 Olds".  Better to have that on there than something 
>*really* stupid, like Hot Mama . . . . ;)  And besides, it's 
>educational.

[Tongue-in-Cheek Mode On]

Harrumph. It's educational when it's on something like a '34 Olds, but
an '86? Okay, I guess if your car is a keeper anyway, that's fine, but
the guy I saw probably bought the plates along with the car, so the net
effect conveyed here was not so much "I Have a Cool Car," but more like
"This Car is Three Years Old and I'm Still Making Payments On It."

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: sig

On Fri, 31 May 1996, Pat Clark 952-3776 wrote:
> 
> How's this?:
> 
>  
>        __        __      ___
>       /  |      /  |    / _ \
>      /   |     /   |   |_| | |		Pat Clark
>     / /| |_   / /| |_     / /		 69 442
>    |___   _| |___   _|  / /__           400/TH400
>        |_|       |_|   |_____|        clark@abu.com
> 
>   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"
> 
> 

Hey, this is a big improvement! If you're running on a slow telnet
connection you'll gain new appreciation for having lean and mean .sig
files when you're scrolling through a few dozen messages at about 300 bits
per second. Besides, I blame all of this .sig file bloating on Wes Fujii
anyway.  His "H/O" .sig is the best I've ever seen. No sense for anyone
else to even *try* to compete... 

;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:06:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds FAQ on the web 

>Nobody else spoke up, so I threw the FAQ up on my home page (after
>converting to a text file).  I'm not sure if Bryce wants to keep it at
>442.com or not, but for now you can see it at my site if its convenient for
>you to use the web.

List members...
I wanted to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone for the lack of
recent updates to the web page. Things at work have become really hectic
and I am trying to get settled into a new residence. (gotta get the garage
set up for all of the Olds stuff) All of my spare time as of late has been
spent moving/etc.  I have many plans for the web page like getting
hypretext versions of Daves FAQ and Chris's engine info. An indexed
hypertext version of the "Parts Sources" with better descriptions of the
vendors is also on my list of things to do. I have been very slow in
getting classified ads & Owners registry entries posted also. I hope to get
caught up with everything in the very near future. Thanks again for your
patience.


 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:17:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Beater suggestions

buehner wrote:
> 
>  What, and use the words Toro and BEATer in the same sentence?!!?

Whatta guy!


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:11:36 -0300
Subject: Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with 
> > personalized license plates reading "BLK GT 93".

> Waitaminute, now . . .  my Calais's plate says "Calais" and my 
> Supreme's plate says "86 Olds".

AND THEY'RE OFF...             ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:20:08 -0300
Subject: Re: sig

Pat Clark 952-3776 wrote:
> 
> How's this?:
>        __        __      ___
>       /  |      /  |    / _ \
>      /   |     /   |   |_| | |          Pat Clark
>     / /| |_   / /| |_     / /            69 442
>    |___   _| |___   _|  / /__           400/TH400
>        |_|       |_|   |_____|        clark@abu.com
> 
>   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

Ok, that does it!  I'm attaching a graphic of my whole family 
standing around the Toro with my email from now on.

The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:44:16 -0300
Subject: RE: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...

What is so great about a ford? The only good ford I ever owned was a restored 1950 8N, and all that is good for is brush hogging.

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From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
Sent: 	Friday, May 31, 1996 1:11 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with 
> > personalized license plates reading "BLK GT 93".

> Waitaminute, now . . .  my Calais's plate says "Calais" and my 
> Supreme's plate says "86 Olds".

AND THEY'RE OFF...             ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: ndg@traverse.com (Nielsen Design Group)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 08:14:45 -0300
Subject: '68 442: got it! 

Well, after pouring over a lot of great info from y'all (whew! My head's
still spinning!)
I decided to go for the '68 442!

It's the real thing, and most of the vitals are still there:
 4-spd with boot, no console.
Black buckets. Could use new covers. Where's my best deal for those?
The carpet was removed so as to inhibit floor rust. Good idea as they are
very solid.
The wheels are 14" with beauty rings, inner caps and inserts all in place.
They are brown like they were off some other car. In the trunk is the same
thing for the spare only cream in color.
Haven't checked the gas tank for rust - (or a build sheet on top) yet...
Darn it, forgot to check for oil pressure gage last night. Chances are it's
a light.
No motor, of course. Also need exh manifolds.

A correct G block 400 w/ C heads is on my dream list. Maybe for now I should
search out a worthy Toro 455 per List suggestions.

I couldn't make out all the cowl info as the hood hinge is currently wired
down on top
of it, but could see that the PAINT code is L2. 'L' makes it Teal Blue, right?
Does anyone know what the '2' means?

Will post all cowl info, VIN# (is it wise a practice to post this?) etc.
when available.

Stoked to restore,
Darren Shroeger
 '68 442
 '80 GP 350 Olds

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:28:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Most stolen car in U.S. 

>What a
>mess.  I got pictures, I guess they'll end up on my "shit happens" page.

Yo! Bryceman! When you do get out from under and have a chance to get
caught up on the web pages, how about a "Sh*t Happens" page for pictures
of goofups, disasters like this, etc.? I've already sent in photos of the
avalanche that occurred when I removed the overhead T-top interior panels
on my '82; those would be good candidates for such a page.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Peter_Teubel_at_Safety1st-MA@harte-hanks.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:56:49 -0300
Subject: Engine Swap 

     
     I have a 1951 Olds 98 w/303 V8.  The auto trans is junk and it'll cost 
     me about $1000+ to get a rebuilt one (this baby is so old, it doesn't 
     even have "park").  Since I have a spare TH350 sitting around, I was 
     thinking of replaceing the engine with a 350SB and using my TH350 
     tranny.  Anyone know where I can get *ANY* information on the proper 
     way to put this engine in the car?  The old engine has motor mounts 
     like a marine engine (front and rear, not side-side).
     
     BTW, anyone looking for an Olds 303 V8?  Only 48K miles and conpletely 
     regasketed.  Might as well offset the cost of a new engine.......
     
     
     Peter G. Teubel
     peter_teubel_at_safety1st@harte-hanks.com

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From: Richard Bonazzoli <bonazzoli@5onflr.ENET.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:56:05 -0300
Subject: RE: Limerock 

I would be interested in going to Limerock.  Do they let people run
through the course in their daily driver cars?

Rich

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:08:09 -0300
Subject: Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...

Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> 
> What is so great about a ford? 

Huh?  Who said they were?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Todd.Saunders@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:53:00 -0300
Subject: Subscribe

     Subscribe
     
     todd.saunders@mailport.delta-air.com

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From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:19:39 -0300
Subject: RE: Limerock

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I assume so. From what I understand, car clubs reserve a week/weekend to =
have the place all to themselves.=20

The person I used to work with brings his mitsubishi 3000 down there for =
a few laps for a long weekend in June. He belongs to a specific car type =
club, but the club members are free to bring any one of their cars.=20

It would be kind of fun to take your car around the track just for the =
feel of it I guess. I wouldn't only because my car has nothing special =
added to it to aid performance or handling. The 307 is still sluggish =
trying to haul around the 4009 lbs with all the anti-pollution crap, and =
the anti sway bar is all I have for cornering. I may go down to see my =
co-worker drive. Race tracks full of non-proffesionals are more =
interesting, but it hurts more when you have a hard failure cuz no one =
is sponsoring you! :)=20

I would have thought that an olds club would be there on some weekend..

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Sent: 	Friday, May 31, 1996 12:56 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca; oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	RE: Limerock

I would be interested in going to Limerock.  Do they let people run
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Rich




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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:26:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Limerock

Richard Bonazzoli wrote:
> 
> I would be interested in going to Limerock.  Do they let people run
> through the course in their daily driver cars?
> 
> Rich

I'll check with the Fordnatics.  The Mustang-heads are big road race 
nuts.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Doug McClanahan <mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:36:40 -0300
Subject: faq address

"I don't mean to bug ya'" (U2) but I lost the address of the person who just put the faq 
on their homepage.  He had a link to some seriously funny stuff that I NEED!  Please 
forward the address to:

mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov

Thanx
Doug

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:06:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Engine Swap 

In a message dated 96-05-31 12:57:51 EDT, you write:

> The old engine has motor mounts 
>     like a marine engine (front and rear, not side-side).
>     

The Toro used front mounts so Olds blocks are designed for the mount there.
 I have seen late model Olds engines in pre-59 Olds on a number of
occaisions.  Looks relatively easy.  Owned a '56 88 in a previous life.
 There is so much room in those old boats it shouldn't be hard or
complicated.  Go for it!

One firm suggestion tho, go for a big block and TH400!

Bob Handren  OCA# 7728

'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:06:43 -0300
Subject: License Plates 

Ok, don't know if it's been done on here recently, but the story about the
Probe GT license plate causes me to provide our plates for a vote on
cleverness or roast for stupidity or whatever.

I had "442 W30" from Texas for _many_ years. Anybody in TX looking for it
better act FAST.  Lost it last year when I finally retired from the service
and located in FL.  Obviously not available here, nor the reverse. " 67 W30"
and "W30 67" were gone and most of my other choices.  Since the car is
modified, I ended up with W30 PLUS.  Actually met a lady last week at the
"Old Town Cuise" who hadn't owned an Olds since the late 60's.  And she
remembers what W-30 meant! 

The wife got her first choice. Her name is Cheryl. Her plate reads C'S 70 SX.

I'd prefer to hear about some real or hoped for Olds related tags.  Might
actually do someone a favor and give an idea to a list member.

Bob Handren   OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

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From: droberts@MIT.EDU (D Robertson)
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:15:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Limerock Q 

Dear Richard:
I saw your Limerock question fowarded by Mike Fredrick

I've only go to Limerock for the Bush Series race/+ SCCA stuff in Oct.and
they don't allow any street cars at that event. I'm not sure about other
events but here is the number for the track to ask them 1-800-RACE-LRP. Ask
them to put you on their mailing list to get the newspaper it only comes
out a few times a year and it is free.

Dave

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:40:59 -0300
Subject: Microsoft Exchange

If anyone is using Microsoft Exchange and knows how to set the word wrap 
or margin settings, please forward the info to Joanne Beausoleil at
beausol@ftp.com

Thanks,

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 21:35:35 -0300
Subject: Re: License Plates

At 05:06 PM 5/31/96 -0300, you wrote:

>I'd prefer to hear about some real or hoped for Olds related tags.  Might
>actually do someone a favor and give an idea to a list member.
>
>Bob Handren   OCA# 7728

I have considered more than once trying to get "1HOTOLDS", but never made it
down to the DMV to ask about it.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:35:19 -0300
Subject: Re: License Plates 

>>I'd prefer to hear about some real or hoped for Olds related tags.  Might
>>actually do someone a favor and give an idea to a list member.
>>
>I have considered more than once trying to get "1HOTOLDS", but never made it
>down to the DMV to ask about it.

Here in Illinois it's a two-tiered (at least) system. This is all from
memory so I may have some details wrong, but basically there are "Vanity"
plates and "Personalized" plates.

Vanity plates are all letters, and available in whatever combination
hasn't already been taken, subject to limits on good taste, etc., (Yeah,
that means you can't say it in foreign words, too. :-) for $75 up front
plus an extra $10 each year on top of the usual $48 renewal fee.

Personalized plates are requested combinations with a _number_ on the end.
You can request a number for whatever reason (e.g. "HOT 1") or let them
assign a sequential one (e.g. "ACG 15", "ACG 16", etc.), in exchange for
which you only have to cough up $11 up front and no extra renewal fees.
This $64 savings makes for a lot of cheesy, short (6 letters max plus a
digit, as opposed to 7 letters on vanity) plates with numbers stuck on
the end. I see this a lot on imports, for some reason.  ;-)

Oh, and applying is real easy. You fill out a pamphlet with up to three
requests, mail it in, and they send you a reply saying which of your
choices you can have, and automatically locking them in for ninety days
while you get the money together and send in your final order. This is
one case where local government actually does a good job!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:04:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Limerock

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Hello everyone,

Apologies to those folks outside the East Coast ...

The COM Sports Car Club is running a Drivers School and Time Trials at New
Hampshire Internation Speedway, Loudon, NH (15 mi from Concord, NH) on June
22 & 23. Track configuration is TBA but will likely be the SCCA configuraiton
(South oval, North Chicane, 1.75 mi 12-turn road course). This is part of the
same oval track used by the Indy and Winston Cup cars with an additional road
course section used for AMA motorcycle races.

Saturday, June 22, is the drivers school which consists of a 90 min. classroom
session and about 2+ hrs. of track time with an instructor. Sunday consists of
approximately 1 hr of practice and then Time Trials which are run like
qualifying.

Registration fees are $70 per day or $120 for both days.

Contact COMSCC at 1-800-COM-0326 for more info.

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:12:54 -0300
Subject: Neoprene rear main seals 

I've been trading some messages with Chris Witt.  I told him I knew the big
block Olds would take a F*rd 460 neoprene rear main seal.

I looked through my "library" and came across the following in the December
1984 issue of W-Machines, the newsletter of the OCA Performance Chapter. I
found information not only on the big block but the small block as well.

I thought a few other people out there might find this information useful so
I am posting this to the list.  Would make a nice addition to the FAQ.  Won't
make Mondello, etc real happy though.

The big block can use the 460 F*ord seal.  The Fel-Pro part number is B/S
40032.  The Ford part number is 69AZ-6701-A. 

The small block can use the rear main seal for the old F*rd 292 engine.  It
is Fel-Pro B/S 6141.

I would think the Fel-Pro numbers would still be good, don't know about the
FoMoCo number since I recall they drop stuff right and left, change numbers,
etc.  The Fel-Pro numbers can probably be cross referenced to other brands as
well.

Hope this saves a few bucks for somebody.  The neoprene seals are a whole
bunch easier to install too.

Bob Handren  OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

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From: Doug McClanahan <mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:33:21 -0300
Subject: Info and free stuff

Background
I want to road race (SCCA) my mostly stock '67 CS:
To help me out I have installed Hellwig 1 5/8" and 1" (front/rear) 
anti-sway bars, Hotchkis 500/135 lbs/in front/rear springs, Koni 
adjustable gas shocks, poly-u bushings throughout - but I have yet to get 
my wheels, tires and rear end together.

I have a standard 10 bold rear end but I think I would like a 10 or 12 
bolt posi.

I am a novice at this but I am having fun.  I have read that my standard 
rear end will not provide good traction while turning as it will spin the 
inside tire.  The positraction carrier design is supposed to help 
eliminate this problem.  

I understand that it is possible to replace the standard carrier (of my 
10 bolt) with a posi carrier.  Is this true?  I also understand that 
turning sharply while under allot of power is hard on the posi carrier 
clutches.  It is also supposed to be harder on the rear tires than a 
normal rear-end would be.  Is this true?  

So I want to get the best speed around a twisty road course, which is 
better, the posi or the non-posi?

If I should use a posi, where would I find someone to sell me a 
remanufactured posi carrier and how much should I pay for one.  How about 
a used one - or should I not go there?

Also there is an add in the paper for a 10 bolt posi that has been 
sitting without oil for about 6 years.  Is this a good or a bad thing?  
How do you tell what gear ratio it has?  Do you count the teeth, measure 
the diameter or what?  What is the largest gear ratio for a 10 bolt?

Ya ya lots of questions but I will make it up to you by giving away free 
parts!  Any one want some stock anti-sway bars or springs?

Thanks for any help!!!

Doug
mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:07:28 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: License Plates 

     Which states allow 8 letters?  WA only allows 7, including spaces.
     
     Remember the "Not your father's oldsmobile" campaign?  How about 
     NOTDADS, or go against it if you have an older car and have MY DADS or 
     FATHERS.
     
     If you get 8 letters, what about ROCKTPWR?
     
     If I had a curved-dash olds I'd have to have RANSOM as a plate.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: License Plates
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    5/31/96 2:37 PM
     
>I'd prefer to hear about some real or hoped for Olds related tags.  Might 
>actually do someone a favor and give an idea to a list member.
>
     
I have considered more than once trying to get "1HOTOLDS", but never made it 
down to the DMV to ask about it.
    
     
     

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 18:33:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Neoprene rear main seals 

>The big block can use the 460 F*ord seal.  The Fel-Pro part number is B/S
>40032.  The Ford part number is 69AZ-6701-A. 
[...]
>I would think the Fel-Pro numbers would still be good, don't know about the
>FoMoCo number since I recall they drop stuff right and left, change numbers,

The Ford part number above looked a bit odd, so I checked a Ford parts
manual we had lying around the office just now and turned up "E9AZ-6701-A"
as a rear main. Under description it says, "1-piece design", if that helps.
This was a '92 edition, BTW.

It's been a few years since I was on the Ford project, but from what I
remember, the "E" designates the decade, the second digit designates the
year of that decade in which the part number was first issued. I think
"E" indicates 1970s, "F" is 1980s, "G" is 1990s, so you're looking at a
1979 part listing. I didn't check whether it superceded a previous number,
but aside from some doubt about that first character, your part number 
should still work for you.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:46:53 -0300
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Limerock Q]

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> > I would be interested in going to Limerock.  Do they let people run
> > through the course in their daily driver cars?
> >
> > Rich


I've been there once with the BMW club.  They run there probably 4 times a
season.  They let anyone in.  They have a web site to find the local chapters,
phone numbers and drivers school schedules.  Check yahoo.

Dan Naughton

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:01:41 -0300
Subject: RE: Neoprene rear main seals

I'd just like to add that yes it is true that the Ford seal fits the =
Olds but some time has passed since this was first published and now =
most gasket manufacturers also have neoprene seals for Olds =
specifically. You must however make a point of asking for it as it is =
not usually included in a normal gasket set.

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From: 	BobH592058@aol.com[SMTP:BobH592058@aol.com]
Sent: 	Friday, May 31, 1996 6:12 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Neoprene rear main seals

I've been trading some messages with Chris Witt.  I told him I knew the =
big
block Olds would take a F*rd 460 neoprene rear main seal.

I looked through my "library" and came across the following in the =
December
1984 issue of W-Machines, the newsletter of the OCA Performance Chapter. =
I
found information not only on the big block but the small block as well.

I thought a few other people out there might find this information =
useful so
I am posting this to the list.  Would make a nice addition to the FAQ.  =
Won't
make Mondello, etc real happy though.

The big block can use the 460 F*ord seal.  The Fel-Pro part number is =
B/S
40032.  The Ford part number is 69AZ-6701-A.=20

The small block can use the rear main seal for the old F*rd 292 engine.  =
It
is Fel-Pro B/S 6141.

I would think the Fel-Pro numbers would still be good, don't know about =
the
FoMoCo number since I recall they drop stuff right and left, change =
numbers,
etc.  The Fel-Pro numbers can probably be cross referenced to other =
brands as
well.

Hope this saves a few bucks for somebody.  The neoprene seals are a =
whole
bunch easier to install too.

Bob Handren  OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 21:05:36 -0300
Subject: RE: Neoprene rear main seals

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From: 	Andrew C. Green[SMTP:acg@frame.com]
Sent: 	Friday, May 31, 1996 5:33 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Neoprene rear main seals

You wrote:


Under description it says, "1-piece design", if that helps.
This was a '92 edition, BTW.

This is the wrong seal. The correct Ford 460 seal is a 2 piece. Just =
thought I'd save someone the headache of getting the wrong seal after =
all this.

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:19:41 -0300
Subject: Merry Oldsmobile

Fron the book _Auto Pioneering_ as detailed recently, but not quoted:

In 1903, Mr. Olds staged a transcontinental journey with a curved dash
runabout, to exemplify the ruggedness and utility of the machine. Keep in mind
that what passed for 'roads' back then was mostly muddy ruts at best. Indians
were still a threat to careless travelers, and steam powered railroad was still
the best method of traversing the continent. Mr. Olds arranged for Eugene
Hammond and L.L. Whitman to convey, via automobile, a message from the mayor of
San Francisco to the mayor of New York. This event of course was quite a
publicity coup d'etat.

After the transcontinental trip, another method of keeping the Oldmobile name
on the lips of the populace was devised... popular music was enjoying a great
deal of success, and one of the top songwriters of the day was one Gus Edwards.
When approached by Mr. Olds, he saw that the link of the newfangled horseless
carriage and music could benfit all concerned. With words by Vincent Bryan, the
song became quite popular.

In My Merry Oldsmobile

Young Johnny Steele has an Oldsmobile.
He loves a dear little girl.
She is the queen of his gas machine,
She has his heart in a whirl.
Now, when they go for a spin, you know,
She tries to learn the auto, so
He lets her steer, while he gets her ear,
And whispers soft and low:
  Chorus:
Come away with me Lucile,
In my merry Oldsmobile
Down the road of life we'll fly
Automobubbling, you and I.
To the church we'll swiftly steal,
Then our wedding bells will peal,
You can go as far as you like with me,
In my merry Oldsmobile.


- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:50:38 -0300
Subject: Wed. misc?

> Subject: Re[2]: old 1989 cutlas sup ignition switch
>
>         I have a 69 factory service manual, from which I could
>         Joe Padavano

1969, 1989, whatever...
> Also, do the brakes! 22 years turns brake fluid to marmalade...(ancient
> chinese secret; *that*'s what the red stuff on the pork you ordered was)
> You'll have a real, though incorrect, 442 for about $1500; can't beat that!
> (unless I can get my Toro on the road for under $600...)

I advocate changing brake fluid every 2-5 years. Keeps the bleeders open, too.
That stuff is hygroscopic, ya know... [absorbs water] which in turn rusts the
metal. I have taken some really black gunk out of master cylinders... Use a
Garage Baster [confiscated Turkey Baster] or vacuum pump to suck the gunk out
of the master cylinder, then put in fresh and bleed as per usual. -Chris-

> I concur; even as a 403 owner, I'd say a 455 is the way to go. What you might
> want to do is simply get an early Toronado (pre-'73) that is rusted to the
> gills, make sure it has good compression, pull it, put in new gaskets, timing
> chain and oil pump (nothing else!), and replace your 350 with it. For (well)
> under $700, you can have 350 easy horsepower; it would cost a lot more to get
> that from your 350ci motor, and the hp wouldn't be as useable. And you can do
> such a swap in less than a week (assuming you figure out what you'll do about
> an exhaust).
>
> Why do nothing else, while you've got the motor out? Well, having a motor out
> with the pan off is too much a temptation, and "shipwright's disease" will
> instantly set in. Especially if this is a first-time project.

I have this problem right now. Bought a 'good, running' 403... got commisioned
to install it in place of a knocking 350... drain the 403's oil in anticipation
of doing a simple timing set and oil pan gasket set... oh, coolant in the
oil... Dang. Water on #2 spark plug... Put #2 at tdc firing, apply air
pressure, use the hose-stethescope... dang, air leakage into the water pump
[cooling system].
  Now we're looking at a minimum of head gaskets, probably bearings, etc.
Frick.  Hey, maybe it's got solid main webs, it has a Poncho VIN stamp! -Chris-

- --Qjet secondary opening--
> When the spring was replaced, what adjustment did you set it to?
> The factory setting is between 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn.  Also, does your

AND... while setting that tension, TAP on the carb to overcome the friction of
the air valve shaft, etc. Helps it move... so you have an accurate idea of
where 0 turns is. If anything, a bit tighter is better than loose, for avoiding
stumble. -chris-

> From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
> Subject: High-Volume Oil Pump Q's
>
> I just checked out the hv oil pump that PST included with their 403 kit, and
> had a few questions, one practical and one theoretical:
>
> 1) This pump apparently uses a bolt-on pickup tube, rather than the stock
> pressed-on pickup. Is there some stock bolt-on pickup available, or is this a
> "standard" aftermarket bolt-on pickup tube? I see in Mondello's catalog that
> the PU3 and PU10 are stock-depth bolt-on tubes, and was wondering whether
> these would work. (BTW, yes, I will be using a stock-depth pan.)

Standard unit near as I can tell... you might be able to press in a regular,
uh, press-in type pickup as well... -chris-

> The oil-pump, btw, came in a white box, but looks pretty nice: gears about
> 1/2" longer, support for end of driven gear in the cover plate, and bolt-on
> pickup. Not bad for only $10 more.
>
> 2) What makes the difference between a high-volume and a high-pressure pump?
> If you pump a greater volume of oil through the same passages over the same
> period of time, wouldn't the pressure increase as well?

Well, more like 1/4" longer... there's the high volume. the volume is that oil
carried around the outside of the 'gears' and squeezed out the outlet by the
meshing gears. Longer gears == more volume per turn.
  PRESSURE is controlled by the relief valve- that tiny piston and spring in
there. At a certain pressure [determined by spring tension vs. piston
position...] the excess oil is allowed to bypass back to the inlet side of the
pump. Thus, if the pump is turning fast enough to supply plenty of oil, the
pressure is limited by that relief valve. There may be less pressure if
consumption exceeds production due to large leakages at worn bearings, wrong
lifters exposing the pressure port, low pruduction due to engine speed or
worn pump, etc. -Chris-

> Why are we neglecting the 425, Joe?
>         The only substitution for cubic inches is rectangular dollars.

Oh, THAT... But how about them forged cranks... short stroke for better rev
capability... it's only 30 CID! -Chris-

> ok...the 403 with solid webs...nope...he had the windowed...dammit...he was
> like, "yeah i got one right back here...the guy who sold it to me said it
> was one of those"...i forget how much he paid for it but it was WAY too much
>                          Zack

Hey, I got another I can sell him for 'way too much'...   :)

> medium heat or should I build a small stand for the tank to elevate it an
> inch or two above the plate?

You could also use a turnbuckle to allow it to apply just enuff weight to the
hot plate to assure good heat transfer... That's what I'd do... -Chris-
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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