
oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 20 March 1996      Volume 01 : Number 124


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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:20:07 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88 

>*ahem*  Yes, I was thinking the same thing. If a tree fell on it or something,
>fine, part it out, but otherwise isn't this car in pretty good all-around
>condition? I feel a twinge of concern here that maybe the car would still be
>worth more than the sum of its parts, as an interesting daily driver or boat
>puller, perhaps. How rotted out is the body?

I too was thinking the same thing. it seems like a shame to pull the
drivetrai out of a car with only 50,000 miles. I shouldn't be that hard to find
a good engine in a wrecked car. For $1200 you could probably build a good 455
and still have enough left to find a used turbo 400. Where are you located? Did
you say if it is a 2-dr or 4-dr. if it's a 2-dr I want it! I love that body
style.

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$ cars:  1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,   $
$ 1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet $
$ Camaro IROC-X 5.7 TPI, 1955 Cadillac Seville,           $
$ (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertible (one for parts),  $ 
$ 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham,             $
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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:26:28 -0400
Subject: Mirrors -n- Stuff...was Re: Stuff found, H/O, etc.

> 
> I did find the following items of interest:
> in the '65 D88 is a *clip on* visor vanity mirror, with "Oldsmobile" on it!
> 

	My 60 Olds still has one of thes clipped to the visor (actually, 
it seems to have..."fused"...itself to the visor.  Dosn't realy want to 
come off.)  According to the info I got from the history center, it was 
part of option code "Z"--the Accessory Package Group consisting of:

1) Visor Vanity Mirror-thoughtful courtesy and a convience for the ladies 
(their words, not mine! ;)  

2) Luggage Compartment Lamp--Aids in loading and unloading at night 
(except Fiestas)

3) Underhood Lamp--Floodlights entire engine compartment; helpful, 
convenient.

4) Glove box Lamp--Always useful at night (standard on Ninety Eight 
models.)

	  The descriptions are of course off the option page.  Prices for 
this group were $7.75 for Dynamic 88 and Super 88 series, except 
Fiestas.  The Dynamic 88 and Super 88 Fiestas were only $6.02 (no trunk 
light), and the Ninety Eight series was only $5.60.  Why it's the 
cheapest is anybodys guess.

	All that stuff is still on my 98, but none of the lamps work 
(haven't really looked into it yet, so it could be anything) and as I 
said before the mirror won't come off the visor without some minor 
surgury.  Still, it looks like it's in good shape.

> I was quite surprised to find that the vacuum trunk release still worked. I
> mean, it opened the trunk when I pressed the button. The car has not run nor
> had an engine since last July or so!
> 
	Now thats just plain weird.  Some of MY vacuum things won't work 
with the car running!  :)


	Oh, and in one of the local "dollar saver" kind of papers there 
was a 72 Cutlass advertised for a whopping $395!!  It said it even runs 
good, although for less than $400, you have to wonder just how "good" it 
really is.  OTOH, maybe it really does run good (with like a 350/2bbl) and 
the body is nothing but rust held together with bondo....
	Anyway, who knows.  Maybe if I have some spare time in the near 
future I'll check it out if it hasn't sold yet. 

		
			Later,
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:37:29 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88 

At 06:57 PM 3/19/96 -0400, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>>
How rotted out is the body?
>--
Excuse me!?  We don't have rot in Idaho.

I bought the car for $1000 as advertised "50,000 Original Miles."  Then upon
getting home and rifling through the jockey box, found the previous owners
name.  Called him and lo and behold, it is 150,000 miles.  And the engine
puked its guts up several years ago and he had a 75 model 455 installed.  I
returned the car and got my money back.  The current owner honestly believed
the odometer, which the interior and exterior would support.  However, he
should have no problem selling it.  The Interior is near perfect.  The air
conditioning fan is shot. 

The body is straight and no, I repeat, no rust.  What else we may have going
against us here in the backwards mountain states, we have few bugs, no
humidity, only one species of poisonous snakes and little use of salt on roads. 

In 1978, I drove my '68 Chevy 4x4 back to Wisconsin.  Locals marveled and
wondered how such an "old" truck could be rust free.  My '49 Club coupe
after sitting in the weather for 10 years has only slight surface rust.

My search continues for an engine and transmission.
>

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:38:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Toronado Xperts: Seen any XSR's?

> >> '72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Endloader
> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >So what the heck is this?  I'd love to hear about it . . . .
> 
> My car is a hearse. Endloader refers to where the "container" is loaded into
> the car. On some hearses they are loaded through a rear door...these are called
> "endloaders". other hearses have side doors that open suicide style through
> which the coffin is put in on a sliding tray. these are called "side-loaders"
> 

	I checked out the page.  Pretty cool!  Since it started out as an 
ambulance, you ever think about turning it into a "Ghostbusters" kinda 
thing?  ;)  I know, I know...corney!
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:43:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedo drive gears: 

Everybody's idea about converting from MPH to KPH seems right, but here is
something to think about:

SAE states that a correctly calibrated speedometer must spin 1000 rpm's at 60
mph.  This gives the speedo a ratio of .1:1, or 1 to 10.  So convert KPH to
MPH, and re-calculate the ratio of the speedo.  Then use this ratio to
determine the correct drive gear/drive gear/adapter ratio for you particular
vehicle. (I'll give this a crack at work tomorrow)  But keep in mind, your
odometer will be off.  Althought the dial will read 60 mph, the odometer will
read 60 kilometers per hour.  The velocity of the vehicle is directly
proportional to distance it has traveled.  Any more thoughts??????    
                                         Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com

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From: Tony <3CQ9DELBALSO@vms.csd.mu.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:11:32 -0400
Subject: Mondello Adj. Rockers

Hi,

Just received my adjustable rocker pivots from Mondello last week.  I thought I
was buying a kit to allow me to adjust each rocker individually, turns out I
can only adjust them in pairs.  Much to my dismay, it appears as if they work
in the same manner as my stockers.  Two pivots and one bridge piece will
replace each stock bridge/pivot part in the heads.  Shims are placed under the
pivots on each bolt.  Upon inspection of the stock pieces, I don't see why I
couldn't put the same shims under the stock pivot/bridge parts, as long as each
shim is the same thickness for a given pair.  If anyone knows why stock rockers
can't be adjusted this way, let me know why I spent this hard earned money. 
Mondello doesn't give cash back at all, and I opened the package to inspect the
parts.  Oh well.

Tony

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:03:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Toronado Xperts: Seen any XSR's? 

>	I checked out the page.  Pretty cool!  Since it started out as an 
>ambulance, you ever think about turning it into a "Ghostbusters" kinda 
>thing?  ;)  I know, I know...corney!
	
thanks. Although I'm planning on turning mine back into an ambulance
eventually, it will not be a ghostbusters replica, I've found a '63 Caddy
ambulance that is a good candidate, though

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:59:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Your Carb is $$$$$ 

>I know that when mine is on the choke and warming up it'll spit a little
black stuff 
>out the exhaust due to incomplete combustion. Probably they all did it back
then... 
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

My Toro (with the Q-Jet from hell) used to do that...I continued fumbling
around with the idle mixture screws (those 2 little suckers on the
base/front of the carb) and that seemed to relieve the problem.  As for
running rich - choke problems, floats not set at correct level/flooded, etc.
seem to be the biggies for a Q-Jet.  I believe you're right in saying
"running rich" is in reference to the exhaust's smell, although when it's
rich, you know it - the smell of raw fuel at both ends...exhaust AND engine
compartment...and all you can do to keep it running when it's warmed-up.


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:12:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds' for sale in CT/NY area 

>I hope everyone caught the "wink" --> ;) at the end of it, and remembered the
>brief volley a few months ago about the use of toros as parts cars for 442's,
>or 442's as parts-cars for toros...
>
>I'd like a nice straight toro myself! Obviously, don't part something like
>that out...

Bob,

Go after that '68...first year of the 455-powered Toros, although in my
opinion, probably one of the butt-ugliest years too.  Hated that funky
grille with the hidden headlights behine the beehive and those goofy
wrap-around turnsignals!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:27:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Mondello Adj. Rockers

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Yes you can do the same with stock rockers. As I've said here many times =
before its too bad Mondello is the #1 Olds source. Try other suppliers =
next time for a pleasant surprise.

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From: 	Tony[SMTP:3CQ9DELBALSO@vmsa.csd.mu.edu]
Sent: 	Tuesday, March 19, 1996 4:11 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Mondello Adj. Rockers

Hi,

Just received my adjustable rocker pivots from Mondello last week.  I =
thought I
was buying a kit to allow me to adjust each rocker individually, turns =
out I
can only adjust them in pairs.  Much to my dismay, it appears as if they =
work
in the same manner as my stockers.  Two pivots and one bridge piece will
replace each stock bridge/pivot part in the heads.  Shims are placed =
under the
pivots on each bolt.  Upon inspection of the stock pieces, I don't see =
why I
couldn't put the same shims under the stock pivot/bridge parts, as long =
as each
shim is the same thickness for a given pair.  If anyone knows why stock =
rockers
can't be adjusted this way, let me know why I spent this hard earned =
money.=20
Mondello doesn't give cash back at all, and I opened the package to =
inspect the
parts.  Oh well.

Tony





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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:08:28 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O project car

I have heard A/C '69 H/Os got 'C' Heads verses 'D' have seen both So I 
would  guess 'C' would be OK. The RAM AIR set up is the big concern as 
its Big $$ to replace it!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:45:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds' for sale in CT/NY area

On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Gregg Ludlam wrote:
> Go after that '68...first year of the 455-powered Toros, although in my
> opinion, probably one of the butt-ugliest years too.  Hated that funky
> grille with the hidden headlights behine the beehive and those goofy
> wrap-around turnsignals!
> 
> 
> -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

Hey, that's probably my favorite body style on those Toros! Butt-ugly? 
Hardly!

:-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 06:45:34 -0400
Subject: Hi.

My name is Willie. I live in Hawaii. I am currently restoring and roddin 
a '57 super 88. I would like any help possible with my car. I am also 
looking for a tri-carb setup, manifold and all, for my 371. Thank you 
very much for your time. Bye!

Willie

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From: johnspr@ix.netcom.com (JOHN PRESTON )
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 08:51:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Mondello Adj. Rockers

You wrote: 
>
>Hi,
>
>Just received my adjustable rocker pivots from Mondello last week.  I 
thought I
>was buying a kit to allow me to adjust each rocker individually, turns 
out I
>can only adjust them in pairs.  Much to my dismay, it appears as if 
they work
>in the same manner as my stockers.  Two pivots and one bridge piece 
will
>replace each stock bridge/pivot part in the heads.  Shims are placed 
under the
>pivots on each bolt.  Upon inspection of the stock pieces, I don't see 
why I
>couldn't put the same shims under the stock pivot/bridge parts, as 
long as each
>shim is the same thickness for a given pair.  If anyone knows why 
stock rockers
>can't be adjusted this way, let me know why I spent this hard earned 
money. 
>Mondello doesn't give cash back at all, and I opened the package to 
inspect the
>parts.  Oh well.
>
>Tony
>
I did exactly what you propose on my 455 when I rebuilt it.  In order 
to take excessive pre-load out of the hydraulic lifters, I simply 
bought a supply of shim stock, cut it in sizes to fit between the heads 
and pivot pairs and added increasingly thick pieces under each pair of 
pivots until the pre-load was down to 1/4 turn of the pivot bolt.

Cost was a couple of bucks and the result was (I presume) several 
hundred more rpm before valve float.

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:01:04 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88 

At 07:20 PM 3/19/96 -0400, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:

 Where are you located? Did you say if it is a 2-dr or 4-dr. if it's a 2-dr
I want it! I love that body
>style.
>
It is a 4dr in Boise, Idaho.  Note my last message in string regarding
"50,000 mi." claim.  It really has 150k.  It is however in outstanding
condition.

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com

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From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:48:52 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88

Bill Goodnight writes:
> In 1978, I drove my '68 Chevy 4x4 back to Wisconsin.  Locals marveled and
> wondered how such an "old" truck could be rust free.  My '49 Club coupe
> after sitting in the weather for 10 years has only slight surface rust.

Around here in Ottawa, Ontario there are a few companies that deal in
locating and buying Arizona and western Canada cars/trucks. Usually the
price is fairly high but you do get a pretty solid vehicle. My father's 69
F*rd 1/2 ton is just a basic work truck with a a fairly dented bed but
with the straight body, people usually make comments on the body. Of
course the down side was that when i did a semi resto a few years ago, i
was pulling sand out of every crevice. Dad had bought the truck of my step
brother who had found it sitting beside a barn in Saskatchewan with a sand
dune along the entire side of the truck! Needless to say, the sand was
alot nicer to see than the dreaded rustdemons!! Has anyone on the list
ever travelled to the southern states or western Canada to buy a vehicle?

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Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:02:22 -0400
Subject: Salvage Yards??

> 
> I was hoping to make a trip down to the Maine, upstate New York and
> Vermont area this summer. My wife has agreed that we can spend some time
> going through some yards on the way. Does anyone here know of some smaller
> yards that may be worth investigating? I have a few places to visit on the
> trip that i pulled from  Hemmings ads. I don't have the list here but i do
> remember one being called Fusick's (Connecticut i think) anyone here ever
> deal with them? If you know of any yards that worth a trip just let me
> know! 




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Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:04:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds' for sale in CT/NY area 

>On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Gregg Ludlam wrote:
>> Go after that '68...first year of the 455-powered Toros, although in my
>> opinion, probably one of the butt-ugliest years too.  Hated that funky
>> grille with the hidden headlights behine the beehive and those goofy
>> wrap-around turnsignals!
>
>Hey, that's probably my favorite body style on those Toros! Butt-ugly? 
>Hardly!

Hey, I'll give any company credit for producing something distinctive,
even if it looks horrendous IMHO compared with the competition (which
is _not_ what I'm saying here about the '68 Toro). And didn't those
goofy wrap-around turnsignals also hold cornering lights? I like those
two-bulb designs (that Cadillac did a lot of), where the bright cornering
light fades out after a turn and returns to an amber side-marker glow.
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com" <wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com> 
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:20:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Starter brace 

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

>Sometimes, the mechanic leaves off that little brace that runs from the starter
>coil housing to the engine block. Besides being a brace, it makes a dandy
>ground path, way better than, say, the crusty aluminum nose piece and the
>grease between it and the engine block. Then, the starter tests just fine EVERY
>time you pull it out, but fails when IN the car. 

I'll second this.  The brace was missing from my car when I bought it, but
I found one in a junker later.  Didn't have any more starter problems.

Wes Fujii

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:31:03 -0400
Subject: Meeting Tonight! 

I'm meeting tonight with our very own Olds webmaster, the Bryceman!
Our ol' pal bryce_smith@442.com is here in town for a couple of days
with his manager, Keith Wood, and a couple of other guys, and Keith
is interested in possibly buying the '82 Cutlass and driving it back
to Kansas, so we'll be meeting in Arlington Heights tonight, if plans
hold up, and driving over to Wilmette to check out the car. I think
they're heading back out of town tomorrow, but I figured late notice
was better than none at all if anyone else is in the Chicago area and
wants to say "Hi", plus of course Keith may appreciate any help (free
meals, bathroom breaks, towing :-) along the way home to Topeka if he 
does indeed buy the car.

If I remember, I'll see about digging up a camera so we can get some
more photos for the web pages, too.
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Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:34:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Mirrors -n- Stuff...was Re: Stuff found, H/O, etc. 

>	All that stuff is still on my 98, but none of the lamps work 
>(haven't really looked into it yet, so it could be anything)

The trunk light should work no matter what, but the others (hood,
glove compartment, etc.) may be wired to only operate if the exterior
lights are on.

The trunk light is powered off the always-hot circuitry, either the
interior lights or the clock/lighter circuit (both, if they don't
have separate fuses).
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:04:38 -0400
Subject: [none]

ated 96-03-19 21:49:55 EST, you write:

>I have heard A/C '69 H/Os got 'C' Heads verses 'D' have seen both So I 
>would  guess 'C' would be OK. The RAM AIR set up is the big concern as 
>its Big $$ to replace it!

I have also heard that some a/c cars had C heads, although I think that was
more common in '68 than in '69. My a/c '69 has D heads. The ram air setup is
almost impossible to come by for any amount of money. I think you'd have an
easier time getting a date with Kim Bassinger than you would coming up with
the ram air. Really!

Jon Wessel
H/OCA Director

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 12:26:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits? 

I disagree Mondello is a rip-off artist.  Expensive? Yes. But there is NO ONE
who knows any more about Olds prep than him and he will talk to you!

Find someone at PAW, Summit, etc. who know a damn thing about Olds? I doubt
it.

I've bought items from them all.  Mondello may not get all my business but
LISTEN TO THE MAN!

Bob Handren
'67 442 W-30 Modified
"70 Cutlass SX Convert.

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From: Sandy Stewart <WASTEWART@gov.pe.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:09:33 -0400
Subject: 

The ram air setup for a 69 H/O must be very expensive.  I saw an air
cleaner lid for one advertised for US$1200!

>>> <Jon442@aol.com> 03/20/96 12:04pm >>>
ated 96-03-19 21:49:55 EST, you write:

>I have heard A/C '69 H/Os got 'C' Heads verses 'D' have seen both So I 
>would  guess 'C' would be OK. The RAM AIR set up is the big concern
as  >its Big $$ to replace it!

I have also heard that some a/c cars had C heads, although I think that
was more common in '68 than in '69. My a/c '69 has D heads. The ram air
setup is almost impossible to come by for any amount of money. I think
you'd have an easier time getting a date with Kim Bassinger than you
would coming up with the ram air. Really!

Jon Wessel
H/OCA Director

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:17:54 -0400
Subject: RE: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

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From: 	BobH592058@aol.com[SMTP:BobH592058@aol.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 20, 1996 11:26 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

I disagree Mondello is a rip-off artist.  Expensive? Yes. But there is =
NO ONE

 - I beg to disagree. While Olds people are harder to find than say your =
SB Chev people they are out there. I would say the people that I've =
spoken with are far more technicaly minded than Joe with his backyard =
fixes (main cap strap kits to mention one, give me a break). If you want =
to talk to someone that knows Olds talk to the people at Batten =
performance. They have state of the art equipment, ideas, and products. =
I also think that if Mondello charges a premium price for his stuff, =
this should be reflective in the technology and quality. As for =
listening to the man I  would ask people to call him and try talking to =
him then base a opinion, he's not interested in talking to anyone and he =
makes it quite clear.
.

I've bought items from them all.  Mondello may not get all my business =
but
LISTEN TO THE MAN!

Bob Handren
'67 442 W-30 Modified
"70 Cutlass SX Convert.




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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:05:14 -0400
Subject: RE: Salvage Yards??

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Scott I've searched dozens of lots in the NY state area with nothing to =
show for it. Fact is the winters are just as bad there as here. You have =
to go a good deal farther south.

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From: 	Scott Nolan[SMTP:snolan@chat.carleton.ca]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 20, 1996 10:02 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Salvage Yards??

>=20
> I was hoping to make a trip down to the Maine, upstate New York and
> Vermont area this summer. My wife has agreed that we can spend some =
time
> going through some yards on the way. Does anyone here know of some =
smaller
> yards that may be worth investigating? I have a few places to visit on =
the
> trip that i pulled from  Hemmings ads. I don't have the list here but =
i do
> remember one being called Fusick's (Connecticut i think) anyone here =
ever
> deal with them? If you know of any yards that worth a trip just let me
> know!=20




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Scott Nolan           Carleton University     =20
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!)=20
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 13:03:27 -0400
Subject: RE: '68 Delta 88

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I have Scott. Why?


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From: 	Scott Nolan[SMTP:snolan@chat.carleton.ca]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 20, 1996 9:48 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: '68 Delta 88

Bill Goodnight writes:
> In 1978, I drove my '68 Chevy 4x4 back to Wisconsin.  Locals marveled and
> wondered how such an "old" truck could be rust free.  My '49 Club coupe
> after sitting in the weather for 10 years has only slight surface rust.

Around here in Ottawa, Ontario there are a few companies that deal in
locating and buying Arizona and western Canada cars/trucks. Usually the
price is fairly high but you do get a pretty solid vehicle. My father's 69
F*rd 1/2 ton is just a basic work truck with a a fairly dented bed but
with the straight body, people usually make comments on the body. Of
course the down side was that when i did a semi resto a few years ago, i
was pulling sand out of every crevice. Dad had bought the truck of my step
brother who had found it sitting beside a barn in Saskatchewan with a sand
dune along the entire side of the truck! Needless to say, the sand was
alot nicer to see than the dreaded rustdemons!! Has anyone on the list
ever travelled to the southern states or western Canada to buy a vehicle?

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Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: ggreen@ftn.net (Gary Green)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:06:00 -0400
Subject: Re: '89 Cutlass Stuff 

>----------------------------
>Hey, all.  I guess you could call this a new addition to the "family."  My
>roommate just bought an '89 Cutlass Supreme SL.  Nice car.  It's got the
>3.1L  (I think all those numbers are right--Past '87 they all kinda blend
>together into a category called "too damned expensive for me!")  He's
>curious, (and asked me to relay his curiousity...) has anyone else dealt
>with this critter as for toys available for it?  Namely performance chips, I
>guess.  He's also curious about center consoles.  The one it came with is
>lacking that certain, umm, functionality.  It has a giant storage bin (that
>doesn't fit a nice butt very well!) and a funky little coin holder that
>would work much better for a bottle or something!  Is this the only console
>these came with?  Anyone else had any other styles in theres?  (It's an auto
>on the floor, for those interested...)  


Charlie:

Looked up the 89 Cutlass Supreme SL in a brochure.  The engine is listed as
a 2.8 litre V6 with MPFI.  don't see any other engine options.  There were
several option packages listed.  The only reference to the console is:
Interior Sport Package: includes front floor console and leather-wrapped
steering wheel.
Let me know if you want me to quote the options in full.

Regards from Ottawa
Gary Green

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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:47:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 BobH592058@aol.com wrote:

> I disagree Mondello is a rip-off artist.  Expensive? Yes. But there is NO ONE
> who knows any more about Olds prep than him and he will talk to you!

Try Dave Smith.

> I've bought items from them all.  Mondello may not get all my business but
> LISTEN TO THE MAN!

I've talked to him in person.  Arrogant a$$hole is an understatement. :/

- -Rod
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 14:42:50 -0400
Subject: Re: '89 Cutlass Stuff 

>> He's also curious about center consoles.  The one it came with is
>> lacking that certain, umm, functionality.  It has a giant storage bin (that
>> doesn't fit a nice butt very well!) and a funky little coin holder that
>> would work much better for a bottle or something!  Is this the only console
>> these came with?  Anyone else had any other styles in theres?  (It's an auto
>> on the floor, for those interested...)  

> Looked up the 89 Cutlass Supreme SL in a brochure.  The engine is listed as
> a 2.8 litre V6 with MPFI.  don't see any other engine options.  There were
> several option packages listed.  The only reference to the console is:
> Interior Sport Package: includes front floor console and leather-wrapped
> steering wheel.
> Let me know if you want me to quote the options in full.
>
>Gary Green

(No relation to me...)

One of the few catalogs I have is the 1989 Cutlass line catalog. According
to the fine print in the back, the "Console, Full-Length Shifting with
Storage and Integral Armrest (includes Rear Lamp on Calais S and SL)" was
listed as standard equipment on all Calais except the base model, and also
standard on the Cutlass Supreme International Series, but not even an option 
for the Cutlass Supreme SL (or the base Supreme, for that matter). (page 51)

Under "Seating and Trims", the SL is listed with a 55/45 divided front
bench as standard, including "Armrest, Front Seat Storage on SL model)".
Further down, an optional seat for the SL is listed as having reclining 
buckets and "Console with Floor Shifter and Steering Wheel, Leather-Wrapped
(AR9)".

So I guess you might try hunting for an International Series Supreme and
see how its console compares with yours. There are photos in this catalog
of the various trim levels that I could study, but I have to do some Real 
Work around this office occasionally  :-)  so if you need more details,
Email me and I'll take a closer look when time permits. HTH...
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:25:56 -0400
Subject: Tranny book?

I was looking at Bryceman's page and noticed the tech book General motors
Automatic Transmissions 1967-79. Does anyone here on the list have the
book? I was wondering if it would cover my 1965 f85 Jetaway tranny? Were
there many changes from the 1965 Jetaway and the 67? If memory serves me
correctly i recall seing it the Classic motorworks catalog, so i know
where i can get one if it would applicable/useful. Also, what info does
the chassis maual offer? I was planning on ordering one but was curious
what info it has. 


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:16:55 -0400
Subject: Tri-carb AL intake?

OK, so I stumbled upon what is said to be an Olds aftermarket Tri-carb intake
with 'correct' carbs, for affordable...

Anybody ever heard of an aftermarket AL intake like this? It's said to have
been on a 67 442 motor, so it's NOT one of them J2 things.

I'm doing this all long distance, too, so I have only a Pontiac man's
description of it to go by so far.

Any info appreciated. Oh, I have a true Olds TC setup, so I do know what they
entail, correct carb numbers, etc.

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Jeffrey C. Hunter" <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 15:42:51 -0400
Subject: RE: '68 Delta 88 

At 01:03 PM 3/20/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I have Scott. Why?
>
>
>----------
>From: 	Scott Nolan[SMTP:snolan@chat.carleton.ca]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, March 20, 1996 9:48 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: '68 Delta 88
>
>Bill Goodnight writes:
>> In 1978, I drove my '68 Chevy 4x4 back to Wisconsin.  Locals marveled and
>> wondered how such an "old" truck could be rust free.  My '49 Club coupe
>> after sitting in the weather for 10 years has only slight surface rust.
>
>Around here in Ottawa, Ontario there are a few companies that deal in
>locating and buying Arizona and western Canada cars/trucks. Usually the
>price is fairly high but you do get a pretty solid vehicle. My father's 69
>F*rd 1/2 ton is just a basic work truck with a a fairly dented bed but
>with the straight body, people usually make comments on the body. Of
>course the down side was that when i did a semi resto a few years ago, i
>was pulling sand out of every crevice. Dad had bought the truck of my step
>brother who had found it sitting beside a barn in Saskatchewan with a sand
>dune along the entire side of the truck! Needless to say, the sand was
>alot nicer to see than the dreaded rustdemons!! Has anyone on the list
>ever travelled to the southern states or western Canada to buy a vehicle?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Nolan           Carleton University      
>`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!) 
>Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
>----------------------------------------------------------------------

While at my uncles in Oakner, Manitoba (population: 10, maybe 15) I saw an
advertisement in an auto trader for a 1965 Olds 98 in Swift Current, Sask.

 It read something like: 15000 orig. miles, original paint, no rust, other
stuff to make an Olds enthusiast drool, etc. $1000.00

So I take the trip to Swift Current, which if I remember correctly took
about 4 hours. I arrived at the old fart's house.  The car was parked beside
a barn, also partially under a sand dune.  The ad read right, the car was in
great shape, no rust, fairly good paint, $1000.00.  Towed the car back to my
uncles with his 1970 International 1 Ton. Cleaned it up a little, did a
mini-tune up, and she ran great!  

Sold the car in '94 after owning it 2 years to a fella from Toronto for
5500.00. 
Not touching the car since I had bought it, and putting an additional 20,000
miles on it (my daily driver).

For Canadians, this area is the BEST place to buy cars.  The land is so dry
(as anyone who as ever played on a golf course in sask. knows, don't ask)
and they don't use salt, or sand.

Jeff Hunter
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca
       


       _/       _/    _/_/_/_/_/   _/_/       _/_/   Jeff Hunter
      _/       _/    _/           _/ _/     _/ _/    
     _/       _/    _/           _/   _/  _/  _/     Hunter's Flea Market
    _/ _/_/_/_/    _/_/_/_/_/   _/     _/    _/      P.O. Box #44
   _/       _/    _/           _/           _/       Camlachie,
  _/       _/    _/           _/           _/        Ontario, Canada
 _/       _/    _/           _/           _/         N0N 1J0

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:48:16 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: '89 Cutlass Stuff 

Charley,

My '88 International (glad Olds didn't use 442 or GT) has the radio/tape player 
as the top portion of the console.  This is at the same height as the digital 
speedo, tach, oil, coolant, volt, fuel display.  There's a 2-3" depth shelf 
below that, then the climate controls.  Below that is an open storage 
compartment, about 3" high by 7" wide.  That intersects with the console mounted
auto trans shifter.  Moving toward the back seat, there is a hinged storage bin 
that extends between the bucket seats.  The rear buckets also have a hinged 
storage bin between them.  There is a another wide and shallow storage 
compartment between the buckets at the rear window area.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:55:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Tri-carb AL intake? 

Kind of just rambling here . . . Something in the back of my mind is saying yes,
but I can't remember anything else.

Probably already checked this, but is it the typical Olds shape, measurements, 
etc?  Probably this also, but, maybe based upon numbers, cast in shapes (screws)
on the manifold, you could match it up?

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"
- --------------------------------------

OK, so I stumbled upon what is said to be an Olds aftermarket Tri-carb intake
with 'correct' carbs, for affordable...

Anybody ever heard of an aftermarket AL intake like this? It's said to have
been on a 67 442 motor, so it's NOT one of them J2 things.

I'm doing this all long distance, too, so I have only a Pontiac man's
description of it to go by so far.

Any info appreciated. Oh, I have a true Olds TC setup, so I do know what they
entail, correct carb numbers, etc.

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 16:59:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Tri-carb AL intake?

> Anybody ever heard of an aftermarket AL intake like this? It's said to have
> been on a 67 442 motor, so it's NOT one of them J2 things.
> 

	I've heard of an Offy aluminum tri-carb intake for Olds, but I 
sure can't remember what engine it was for.  And yea, that J2 was for a 
371 (would probibly fit a 394 as well) so they would be totally diffent.  
Sorry this isn't much help.  I think I saw it for sale in an old Hemmings 
or something.  Maybe I'll try to look it up.

		Scott
	1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Tony <3CQ9DELBALSO@vms.csd.mu.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 19:39:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds engine rebuild kits- any experience with PST's kits?

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On Wed, 20 Mar 1996 BobH592058@aol.com wrote:

> I disagree Mondello is a rip-off artist.  Expensive? Yes. But there is NO ONE
> who knows any more about Olds prep than him and he will talk to you!

Try Dave Smith.

> I've bought items from them all.  Mondello may not get all my business but
> LISTEN TO THE MAN!

I've talked to him in person.  Arrogant a$$hole is an understatement. :/

- -Rod
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus


I have talked to Mondello on several occasions.  Only once, the last time
(about 2 weeks ago) was he pleasant and gave me usable information.  The other
times he sounded bothered and didn't give me any useable infor, twice giving
information which contradicted his own catalog!  I will try to call and return
the rocker pivots, but I would bet $ I won't be able to do so.
Tony

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