
oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 7 April 1996        Volume 01 : Number 140


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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:21:15 -0400
Subject: Re: '67 Olds Cutlass Convert

>I found a '67 Olds Cutlass Convertible for sale.  Factory A/c, fully loaded,
>Jetfire
>engine. Low miles.  $11,900.  What is special about this car, and is it
>worth this price?

Cary,

Unless this thing is gold-plated or has 0 miles on the clock, that price is
absolutely ridiculous!  I had one of these as my very first car back in '77.
It was pretty plain-jane: AM radio, PS, 4-way power seat, 330 ci  "Jetfire"
V-8 and a 2-sp Jetaway automatic.  According to the '67 sales brochure,
there were 3 Jetfire V-8s listed for '67, all at 330 ci:

        320 hp, 360 lb-ft torque, 10.25-1 compression, 4bbl Q-Jet.
        260 hp, 355 lb-ft torque, 10.25-1 compression, 2bbl carb. (Delmont
88 only)
        250 hp, 335 lb-ft torque, 9.0-1 compression, 2 bbl carb. (std. engine)

With that powertrain, it was model 3667 with 3770 produced.  The only
"special" thing about it was that it was the rarest of the Cutlass-based
ragtops.  I would think a *PERFECT* example of one of these wouldn't go for
any more than maybe $5K tops?


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Tony <3CQ9DELBALSO@vms.csd.mu.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:30:31 -0400
Subject: 307 long block slae

Sorry about the misspelled subject.

84 307 long block for sale with a metric 200 tranny.  130,000 miles on engine
and tranny, but tranny was rebuilt 30000 ago.  Asking $200 or best offer.  It
is currently getting me everywhere, runs dependably, choke doesn't work great
when it gets below 15 degrees, other that that no problems recently.  New fuel
pump and water pump.  Oil changed regularily since I've owned car (since
87000).  It is located near Milwaukee Wisconsin.

The 350 gets dropped in next week!!

Tony
414-785-9889

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:38:33 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine

At 01.16 04,06,96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-04-05 23:11:58 EST, you write:
>
>>>Kind of a strange question here, but what cars did the 403 c.i. engine come
>>>in, and through what years and where does it derive from?.
>
>Olds brought out the 403 (6.6 litre) for 1977 as a replacement for the
>heavier 455.  It was used in Ninety Eights & Custom Cruisers from '77 thru
>'79, Toronados and Delta 88s  for '77 & '78 and in Cutlasses for '77 only.
>
>Olds also left Buick use this engine in their Electras, LeSabres, Rivieras
>and the '77 Regals and Centurys.
>
>It looks like Non-California Pontiacs (Grand Prixs, Firebirds, Bonnevilles,
>Catalinas and Safaris) of this era used a Pontiac 400 6.6 litre, while
>California Pontiacs used a 403 6.6 litre (probably the Olds engine).  But it
>looks like the '77 LeMans used the 400 in all 50 states.  Go figure.
>
>Cadillac had its own exclusive 425.  And Chevrolet?  Well, the largest motor
>they had, even in the Corvette was a 350.
>
>Paul

i'll agree with everything up until your last part...chevy had a 400, which
was based, like all 400's, on the small block.  as for big blocks...396 all
the way up to 454.

has anyone got a need for a GMC 305 V6?  or know of how to make it scream?
i have one sittign in my garage
                    Buddha
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 15:11:39 -0400
Subject: 47 Olds

>From Saturday's Tampa Tribune:

	OLDS, 1947, straight 8, automatic, perfect running,
	excellent body, interior, paint, new tires.
	$6500 obo.  (813) 248-9278 or (813) 689-3980

As always, if anyone's really interested,
I'd be happy to go look it over for you.

The 66 Toro and Mike
- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Jason Labay <jlabay@Phoenix.kent.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:18:50 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine

Chevy had the their own 400c.i. in Malibu/Chevelle/El Camino/Monte
Carlo's until at least 1977 that I know.

Jason Labay                                            jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
Akron, Ohio
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 H/OCA#0278A
1988 Camaro Z/28 CFI 305

On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-04-05 23:11:58 EST, you write:
>
> >>Kind of a strange question here, but what cars did the 403 c.i. engine
come > >>in, and through what years and where does it derive from?. > > Olds
brought out the 403 (6.6 litre) for 1977 as a replacement for the > heavier
455.  It was used in Ninety Eights & Custom Cruisers from '77 thru > '79,
Toronados and Delta 88s  for '77 & '78 and in Cutlasses for '77 only. > >
Olds also left Buick use this engine in their Electras, LeSabres, Rivieras >
and the '77 Regals and Centurys. > > It looks like Non-California Pontiacs
(Grand Prixs, Firebirds, Bonnevilles, > Catalinas and Safaris) of this era
used a Pontiac 400 6.6 litre, while > California Pontiacs used a 403 6.6 litre
(probably the Olds engine).  But it > looks like the '77 LeMans used the 400
in all 50 states.  Go figure. > > Cadillac had its own exclusive 425.  And
Chevrolet?  Well, the largest motor > they had, even in the Corvette was a
350. > > Paul > > > > >

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From: "Shawn M. Twomey" <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 14:43:03 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do with my 85 Cutlass??

>I own an 85 Cutlass Salon w/ all the options (I think) including T-tops.

Don't have the 442 option!  Doh!

>1)  Engine & Driveline
>  The engine is a 307 and a 3spd metric tranny.  Thought originally it
>  was a TH350, but found out it wasn't a few years ago when I put in a
>  shift kit.  What I want is 300+ hp and an overdrive tranny that can
>  handle it (is that possible?).  I also assume I'll need a new driveshaft
>  and possibly a new rear axle (w/ posi) to handle the power as well.

Isn't that 3sp the TH200C, or something like that?  A well-built 200R4, as
long as you don't go too far over 300, should be fine.  You'll want a stall
converter like a 442s (GNs?) or similar.

>  I think the 307 is out (how much hp can you get from one of these
>  anyways?)  I would love a 4.0 Aurora engine, but that's probably out
>  of reach by a long ways.  Anybody know what one would cost with all
>  the accessories and computer?

It would cost you a lot of money to make 300HP from a 307.  I would stay
away from the Aurora, simply because of the cost and you'll have to change
your whole setup, whereas a 350 will bolt right in, no problem, same carb &
everything.

>  Which leads me to a 350 or 455 Rocket.  I love the thought of a 455,
>  but am worried about fuel economy.  Yes I want hp, but I don't want
>  about 12mpg to get it.  What can I expect in price, hp, torque, and
>  fuel economy for a 350 or 455 Rocket? Would I be better off with the
>  350 for the weight/mpg/bulk advantages? Seems like for long trips, the
>  torque of the 455 would turn an OD tranny without even noticing so maybe
>  it would be the better choice?

I would go with the small block.  A little bit lighter, more fuel economy,
no clearance problems, headers don't have to run outside the frame, won't
have to worry as much about the 200-R4.  However, if you really want a
kickin' torque monster, the big block isn't that much harder to do.  In
fact, there's people right on the list (Charlie B., anyone else?) who've put
a 455 in the G-body.

>  I've also thought the little rectangular holes in the front bumper would
>  make excellent intakes for a ram-air system.  Is it really as easy as
>  hooking up the ducting to the air cleaner to make this work?  Or does
>  a ram-air system need some kind of controls for shutting it on and off
>  at different speeds or a special fuel management system?

I may be trying this next year.  I'll let everyone know how it works out.

>  Also planning a H/O replica rear spoiler and hood
>  scoop, painting the whole thing a deep shinny burghandy, and leaving off
>  all of the chrome trim along doors, fenders, hood, etc.  I'm also gonna
>  replace all the weather-stripping.

Lauren Engineering makes the Hurst replica spoiler, front air dam, fake hood
scoop, & a H/O stripe kit.  Not cheap, but the best I've found so far.

     Lauren Engineering
     515 W. Valencia Dr., Ste-G
     Fullerton, CA 92632
     (714) 871-CARS
     Fax (714) 578-0729

They also make other cool stuff, like 140MPH speedo decals.

>  New shocks are a must.  I've also wondered about new polyurethane
>  bushings as well.  Are they worth the effort?  Also probably gonna need
>  new springs up front if I have the 455 in it.  Any suggestions?  I had
>  one opportunity to drive a Monte SS.  I absolutely loved the firm ride
>  and corning ability that thing had.  My Cutlass has had more of a plushy
>  squishy ride for smoothness.  What can I do to give it a firmer, more
>  responsive ride?  Special shocks, beefier anti-sway bars?

If you can't find a junkyard donor, try Lauren again.  They make a complete
kit, with Koni shocks, sway bars, bushings, other assorted junk.  You can
also buy the components separately.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

__________________________________________________________________________
Shawn M. Twomey     |  "No!  Try NOT!  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
stwom@ctp.com       |  -Yoda
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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 18:48:51 -0400
Subject: lightning rods

What are lightning rods?? I've never heard of them before...

- --
Dave
69 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Scott D Ballentine <sb7k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:08:57 -0400
Subject: Heater Core

Hey there everybody.  Thanks to everybody who posted to my last message
- - I finished up the heater core this afternoon.  It wasn't as bad as I
thought it would be (although it wasn't a piece of cake by any means).
Oh yeah, Charley Buehner: Thanks for the instructions - they were a lot
more useful than the ones in Chiltons.  If you're ever in Pittsburgh, I
owe you a beer.

Anyway, thanks again everybody.

    -Scott Ballentine
     sb7k@andrew.cmu.edu
     Carnegie Mellon University
     School of Computer Science

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:37:44 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do with my 85 Cutlass??

In a message dated 96-04-06 13:49:08 EST, you write:

>  I would love a 4.0 Aurora engine, but that's probably out
>>  of reach by a long ways.  Anybody know what one would cost with all
>>  the accessories and computer?

Could you even buy one of these without sending the core back to Olds for
evaluation?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:39:24 -0400
Subject: '84 Hurst/Olds Sales Brochures

For those of you who may be interested, I have a source for '84 Hurst/Olds
showroom sales color folders.  They are available from a literature dealer in
Richmond, Va.  I've been dealing with this gentleman for a few years now and
his service is excellent.  He has 23 according to his last list.  The cost us
$6.00 each.  If you are interested contact:

John W Wimble
1407 Stoneycreek Drive
Richmond, VA  23233-4621

Tell him that Paul Hartlieb sent you and ask for item #12660 from list # 232,
1984 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds Color Folder.

Shipping info for U.S. customers: Please add $3.40 ($3.90 if you live more
than two states away from Virginia or $4.40 if you live west of the
Mississippi River) for either UPS (United Parcel Service - give full street
address) or Parcel Post (U.S. Post Office) shipping.

I recommend John for other Oldsmobile sales literature as well.

Paul

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 00:27:06 -0400
Subject: Wanted: 75 D88 part

Well, another soul on the web searchin' for that one of a kind item...

Can any of y'all help this guy?

> Subject: Advice on Olds Part
>
> From:      James Herzig | jherzig@vnet.ibm.com
> *** Resending note of 04/06/96 16:34
> Business Unit Executive | 2345 Grand Ave  Kansas City MO  64108
>  IBM Networking Systems | 8/642-5705 or 816/881-5705
> Subject: Advice on Olds Part

> Hi.  When you get a chance, could you please advise on how to get the
> following part for a 1975 convertible Olds Delta 88:
>
> Narton 1748580 'ABCD Terminal'
>
> This part mounted on the firewall and controlled the inside lighting and
> the lighting for the doorhandles.
> Thanks.  I'm struggling on locating this thing.
> Jim

I told him to try Hemming's... and that I'd check around if I knew what the
heck he was referring to.

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: John Schmich <schmich@AZStarNet.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 03:15:03 -0300
Subject: Re: What to do with my 85 Cutlass??

>I own an 85 Cutlass Salon w/ all the options (I think) including T-tops.

That's cool, I own an 1986 Salon, (307,TH200-4R) and my brother owns an 1985
Salon, (T-Tops,307,TH200-C).  They both can be seen on Bryceman's page.
Check em out and tell me what ya think.

>1)  Engine & Driveline
>  The engine is a 307 and a 3spd metric tranny.  Thought originally it
>  was a TH350, but found out it wasn't a few years ago when I put in a
>  shift kit.  What I want is 300+ hp and an overdrive tranny that can
>  handle it (is that possible?).  I also assume I'll need a new driveshaft
>  and possibly a new rear axle (w/ posi) to handle the power as well.
>
>  I think the 307 is out (how much hp can you get from one of these
>  anyways?)

That's too bad, I just got my 307, high performance rebuild done and I can't
wait to see what it does in the 1/4.  For more details about the work and
parts involved, just drop me a line.

>  I've also dreamed of Lightning Rods since I had my 80.  I believe my
>  OD tranny options would be a 700R4 or 200R4(?).  Will LRs work with
>  either of these?  Can you still buy LRs or will I have to find a
>  wrecked H/O?

Same here, there is just something about those things that gets you jealous
of all the Hurst owners.  Well, the Salon is about the closest to the real
thing, (at least its in the same location)!  And finding a wrecked H/O would
be a dream come true.

>  I'm in Arizona now though, so I should be able to find some good rust-
>  free ones pretty reasonably.

What do ya know, I'm in Arizona too.  I live on the northwest side of Tucson
and I would like to know where your at.  Arizona is great for rustfree cars
and parts.  It is just that damn blazing sun, that makes us go through paint
jobs every 4 years!!!

>  Also planning a H/O replica rear spoiler and hood
>  scoop, painting the whole thing a deep shinny burghandy, and leaving off
>  all of the chrome trim along doors, fenders, hood, etc.  I'm also gonna
>  replace all the weather-stripping.
>

If I wasn't awake, I would think I was reading about my car.  I currently
have a wing on mine and soon will have the hood scoop that we are currently
building done too.  My 86 is also burghandy, and my brother's 85 is biscayne
blue.

>thanks
>--Dan

Sounds like we could help each other out.  I'm looking foward to your reply!

Brandon
86 Salon
Brodie
85 Salon
John
92 Eighty Eight Royale

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:01:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Wanted: 75 D88 part

On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Well, another soul on the web searchin' for that one of a kind item...
>
> Can any of y'all help this guy?
>
> > Subject: Advice on Olds Part
> >
> > From:      James Herzig | jherzig@vnet.ibm.com
> > *** Resending note of 04/06/96 16:34
> > Business Unit Executive | 2345 Grand Ave  Kansas City MO  64108
> >  IBM Networking Systems | 8/642-5705 or 816/881-5705
> > Subject: Advice on Olds Part
>
> > Hi.  When you get a chance, could you please advise on how to get the
> > following part for a 1975 convertible Olds Delta 88:
> >
> > Narton 1748580 'ABCD Terminal'
> >
> > This part mounted on the firewall and controlled the inside lighting and
> > the lighting for the doorhandles.
> > Thanks.  I'm struggling on locating this thing.
> > Jim
>
> I told him to try Hemming's... and that I'd check around if I knew what the
> heck he was referring to.
>
> --
> Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>
One other place to try is the local Olds dealer.  I have a '75 D88
convertible, and I was able to get a number of parts for it over the
local Olds dealer's parts counter.  In particular, I was able to get the
power top drive cables.  They had to order several things, and I got
them a few days later, but they were original GM still in the
original boxes.  Remember that 1975 wasn't THAT long ago.  :)



Dan Gulino

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:12:28 -0300
Subject: Toro Gear Oil?

Ok, Olds gurus - I have a desire to replenish the gear oil in the final
drive of the blessed Toro.  Only problem is, the part number of the
recommended stuff in the service manual is now a bottle of touch-up paint!
Figuring THAT wouldn't be too smart, I called the local Olds dealer, who
said "any 90W gear oil will be just fine."  So off I go to the neighborhood
Advance Auto parts, and all they sell is 75W-90 Valvoline gear oil, both in
normal and synthetic types.

Help!  Don't want to put the wrong stuff in...what do you guys and gals think?


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:19:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro Gear Oil?

On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Gregg Ludlam wrote:

> Ok, Olds gurus - I have a desire to replenish the gear oil in the final
> drive of the blessed Toro.  Only problem is, the part number of the
> recommended stuff in the service manual is now a bottle of touch-up paint!
> Figuring THAT wouldn't be too smart, I called the local Olds dealer, who
> said "any 90W gear oil will be just fine."  So off I go to the neighborhood
> Advance Auto parts, and all they sell is 75W-90 Valvoline gear oil, both in
> normal and synthetic types.
>
> Help!  Don't want to put the wrong stuff in...what do you guys and gals
think? > > > -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy > > > I would do just what the
dealer says.  Buy the normal 75W-90 stuff, put it in, and don't worry about
it.  I needed to replace the differential fluid in my '64 once, and I bought
exactly this stuff, and it has worked fine.


Dan Gulino

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:42:38 -0300
Subject: 15" wheels for sale

Lansing State Journal
4/6/96

15" Olds Rallye wheels,
w/trim rings & center caps, set of 4, $100
517-482-1966
He does not know what width they are, not chrome rims

Hurst/442 Chrome wheels, 4 ea. 15", w/tires. Complete, must sell, $475/best
517-331-7981




- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:49:46 -0300
Subject: Window parts and info (fwd)

Anyone can help this guy? I suggested a BODY manual, L. Camuso in CA for the
parts...
- -=Chris=-

Forwarded message:
> From rpk@digital.net Sun Apr  7 01:10:40 1996
> Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 01:09:46 -0800
> From: Rich Karolick <rpk@digital.net>
> To: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> Subject: Window parts and info
> X-URL: http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/rocketsci.html
>
> What do you know about power windows on the '69 Cutlass Convertables. I'm
> having problems getting them aligned and working properly. and do you
> have a drivers side regulator gear?
>


- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:03:45 -0300
Subject: Forwarded from r.a.a

From: bruiserp <demnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: 1968 Olds Help needed
Date: 31 Mar 1996 16:24:19 GMT

My 68 Cultlass S has some odd front seats(I would guess from
about a 78 Dodge Monaco).  I have been having a hard time finding
seats from 68.  Does anyone have info on which GM cars and model
years will fit my car correctly. (bench or buckets). It is for
my own enjoyment so they don't have to be identical to original
equipment but they should look like they belong in the car.
Thanks.  Also any good muscle car web pages out there worth
checking out?

bruiserp@demnet.com

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From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:22:25 -0300
Subject: GM Page

        Does anyone know why OLDSMOBILE is NOT represented on the GM home
page.  I was on there earlier today and found C*evrolete, Pontiac, Buick,
Geo, Saturn, GCM Truck, etc.... but no OLDSMOBILE information.

        Has GM forgotten about us or are we being discriminated against?


__________________________________________________________
S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
18619 - 68 Ave.		| 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
Edmonton, AB  CANADA	| 1976 Camaro
T5T 2M8			| <:)
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