
oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 2 June 1996        Volume 01 : Number 192


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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:21:03 -0300
Subject: Re: License Plates

I just went through all of this license plate stuff here in Iowa.  All 
the plates I wanted were either taken or not allowed.  They have tons of 
rules here for personalized plates.  I can't think of all the rules, but 
there is an entire paragraph on the form about what you cannot get.  
Included are no all number plates (there goes "442").  I checked on 
several plates that I wanted and they were all taken and the rest were 
"illegal".  I just sent off my registration with 3 more tries, but they 
are not high on my list of plates that I wanted.  I'll let you know what 
I end up with. 

- -Dan

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:39:22 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 442: got it!

Glad to hear that you got it!  'L' is Teal Blue, but I don't know what 
the 2 is.  I was thinking it was 'Z' but that is Peruvian Silver 
(Toronado color/Hurst Olds Only).  Sounds like the rims are off another 
year car.  The 68 Rally II wheel is unique in that all of the five slots 
have painted trim, instead of snap on trim and of course they only came 
in grey (hence Rally II, not III).  Also, I hope that your boot is in 
good shape, because you cannot get the non-console boot anywhere.  I am 
in need of one myself.

- -Dan

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 00:44:18 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 442: got it! 

>Glad to hear that you got it!  'L' is Teal Blue, but I don't know what 
>the 2 is.  

2 should be black vinyl roof covering (C08) on all sedans and coupes from '68.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Wagon
http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/noframesreg/borlase/html

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 04:05:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: License Plates

At 12:07 PM 5/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>     Which states allow 8 letters?  WA only allows 7, including spaces.
>     
I believe you can get 8 down here in FL.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 04:23:34 -0300
Subject: RE: Neoprene rear main seals

At 09:01 PM 5/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>now most gasket manufacturers also have neoprene seals for Olds
specifically. >You must however make a point of asking for it as it is not
usually included in >a normal gasket set.

Yes, I just did seals, bearings, etc, and the gasket kit I got was a
Fel-Pro.  It had a two piece neoprene rear main seal included in it.  One
tip I got from that boat engine mechanic uncle of mine was to install the
two halves of the seal offset from the surfaces of the block and cap to
prevent oil leakage from between the mating surfaces of the block and cap.
Didja get that??  I installed mine that way and don't have any drips back there.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

 "I was put on this earth to accomplish a certain number of things;
    right now I'm so far behind, I'll never die"  --Calvin

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:43:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey - How 'bout a Hearse/Olds  

In a message dated 96-05-29 01:23:07 EDT, you write:

>I actually met one once (a '72) that was tan.  Supposedly it came 
>"from the factory" that color.  I never bothered to look it up and see
>if "tan" was a color offered on the 98 that year (didn't really care).

Small funeral parlor here in town (very small town) used to have a '71 or '72
Cadillac.  It was painted lime green.  The phrase "Wouldn't be caught dead in
that" seemed real fitting!

Paul

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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 02:43:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey - How 'bout a Hearse/Olds  

The scariest thing happened to me today...cruisin' down High St. here in
Columbus in my '72 88 and come to a stop at a light.  After admiring this
huge slab of gleaming chrome bumber on an Electra directly in front of me, I
glance in the rear view mirror...aghhh!  My car is stairing me in the face,
only it's gray and it's a hurse...I thought my time had come.  Actually, I
believe it was a '72 Olds 98, but it was a sight to behold...I don't know if
it was still in service, but if and when I die, I'd like that to be my last
transportation.  

- -Aaron

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|  |  | "Keep on rockin' in the free world..."  *
|  |  | Aaron Neumann  neumann.12@osu.edu  or   *
| /|\ |	  Akron, OH    75213.656@compuserve.com *   
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From: Willie Fruean <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 04:30:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

No peter! Don't do it! Don't you dare put a Chevy in your Olds!!!! 
Especially a 350!!!!! That would be very tragic! I think many people 
would agree with you! I know you want a goos solid car and an everyday 
driver but please, keep it in the family! Especially the cliche 350/350 
combo! You can't do that to that beautiful '50! Be origional and throw 
in another later model olds engine. Maybe a 455/400? Or even on olds 350 
with your th350 tranny? Optimum would be a '66 or '67 toronado 425. 
Those baby's have the most horses!!! But if you wanna be really cool, 
and forgive me all of you true to your olds guys, put a Flathead in it! 
Your car is the right year for a hot rodded flat head! You can do what 
ever you want to do with it really. I'm just saying that you could be 
more origional than the standard 350/350 setup. You know how it is. When 
someone asks you what you've got under your hood and you tell 'em  a 
350/350, the conversation pretty much stops there! People go crazy when 
you have crazy plants! Just a word of advise. I'd like to hear from you 
later to find out how it's going! Bye!

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 05:33:07 -0300
Subject: RE: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To... 

     Of course, it is always handy to know ~exactly~ what it is we just smoked!


>What is so great about a ford? The only good ford I ever owned was a
restored 1950 8N, and all that is good for is brush hogging.
>
>----------
>From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
>Sent: 	Friday, May 31, 1996 1:11 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: ...And the "Duh" Award Goes To...
>
>Peg O'Connor wrote:
>> 
>> > The dork I saw yesterday in the black '93 F*rd Probe GT with 
>> > personalized license plates reading "BLK GT 93".
>
>> Waitaminute, now . . .  my Calais's plate says "Calais" and my 
>> Supreme's plate says "86 Olds".
>
>AND THEY'RE OFF...             ;)
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 05:33:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: License Plates 

>At 12:07 PM 5/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>
>>     Which states allow 8 letters?  WA only allows 7, including spaces.
>>     
>I believe you can get 8 down here in FL.

     Here in Montana, we get 7 Letters and a half-space.  Does that count?
It's great, here.  $27 to apply for them, and something like $12 a year to
renew.  I pay about $45 a year for the '81.  
     As for plate choices, I'm still overly proud of my GranSport's tags.
They tend to get me into trouble, though:  "BT UR 4D"  It's great though,
cuz those that are offended by it (like someone with BLK 93 GT perhaps!)
can't figure it out!  I love it!   
     My roommate's pickup sports "PTUNXTC"

     (Oh, for the super challenged, those say Beat Yer Ford, and Put You In
Extasy, in case anyone doesn't catch on right away...)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:23:43 -0300
Subject: With Great Sorrow...

Greg and all,

It's with great sorrow and trepidation that I must unsubscribe from the
list.  I simply don't have the time to cruise through 60 - 80 messages a day
anymore;  the digest version might be an option once the dust settles around
here, but in the meantime, I'm going to check-out for a while.

Being one of the earlier participants of the list, I've had the oppurtunity
to watch it grow and succeed thanks to Greg.  He's been an outstanding
moderator and administrator, and all of you have been great at staying
within the scope of the list.  You're all to be commended!

I'm going to miss the knowledge and talent all of you show every day through
your responses on the List - keep it up, as you are all the best ways I know
of promoting this love we call "Oldsmobile"!

Take Care,

Gregg Ludlam, aka:


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:48:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: License Plates

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> Remember the "Not your father's oldsmobile" campaign?  How about
> NOTDADS, or go against it if you have an older car and have MY DADS
> or FATHERS.

It has crossed my mind to get a "FATHERS" plate with a frame that says 
"This IS your" on the top and "Oldsmobile" on the bottom.  

Unfortunately, the Toro has the gas filler behind the plate and I have 
yet to find a plate frame that won't bind when you try to swing the door 
down.    :(

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:25:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Engine Swap

Willie Fruean wrote:
> 
> No peter! Don't do it! Don't you dare put a Chevy in your Olds!!!!

Hear, hear!  And not to mention the hit you'll take on resale if you 
ever want to sell.  Those that would buy an Olds are not going to be 
very interested in one with a Chubby motor.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:35:18 -0300
Subject: A decent donor car? 

I may have found a decent donor car for a 455 and TH400 for my '49 Coupe.
It is a '69 Delta
88 4dr.  The engine casting is marked, 396021F.  According to the FAQ, this
is the most common engine.  It is a 2bbl, but that can be fixed.   It runs
great, and the transmission seems tight.    

The guy wants $600, but I think I can get it for $500.  Do you think I have
a decent starting point?  I will rebuild of course.   I suppose the heads
will also be of a standard type!??!  Will they likely be "G" heads?  Is
anything else on the car of value as parts?  The grille, front bumper and
hood are in decent shape.  Do they interchange with parts from cars of interest?

Thanks for the FAQ and info.

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
 

 

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From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:56:26 -0300
Subject: Re: License Plates 

>>>
>Here in Illinois it's a two-tiered (at least) system. This is all from
>memory so I may have some details wrong, but basically there are "Vanity"
>plates and "Personalized" plates.
>
>I had plates from IL on my olds and requested special numbers, memory
>serves right didn't cost extra. Had (poptp 71) on my convertable. I
>thought it was just any combo of 7 letters and numbers.

Tim McChesney
 71 cutlass convertable

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:09:32 -0300
Subject: Tech Manual

OK, so I'm only the *2nd* kid on the block with THE technical manual... Glossy
cover, looks good at 1st glance... we'll see...

On the very day the race 425's block is finally done, too, surely a Good Sign,
right!?! This time for SURE.

Unfortunately, folks at Mondello screwed up and sent a 28-29 cam even though i
called twice to cancel that order when I heard that it's be three weeks at
least... who knew the engine would still be apart and the 3 weeks would NOT
turn into 3 months... Nicely, they are having it picked up by UPS, so I don't
have to mess with it... Cool.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:48:39 -0300
Subject: 66 conv 442 avail?

A friend claims there is, in Indiana cornfield, a 1966 442 convertible awaiting
restoration. MTrans, no engine. That's all I know about it. Really interested
parties can investigate further...

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:17:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 conv 442 avail? and more

What a lead, you narrowed it down to an entire state (LOL)!
 
> A friend claims there is, in Indiana cornfield, a 1966 442 convertible awaiting
> restoration. MTrans, no engine. That's all I know about it. Really interested
> parties can investigate further...


Must have been late last night when I couldn't figure out that the 'L2' was Teal 
with a vinly top.  Geez!

> 2 should be black vinyl roof covering (C08) on all sedans and coupes from '68.


Great engine and trans to start with.  All you need is a 4 barrel manafold.  The 
heads are probably 'C' heads, not 'G'.  And you are in luck, becaue the 'C' heads 
are the choice heads excluding the W-30 heads.  Now the question is are the big or 
small valve heads.  Don't think that the sheet metal will be that desirable or the 
bumper for that fact, but there is always tons of other stuff.  Small things like 
widow cranks and such.

> '69 Delta 88 4dr.  The engine casting is marked, 396021F.

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:05:55 -0300
Subject: overheat...wrong pulleys??

Hi all,

     Still trying to find my overheating cause on the 455ci I just finished
building.  It has a new 3 core rad., 180 degree stat., new water pump and
clutch fan ( 5 blade).  I suspect the problem lies in the crank and water
pump pulley sizes.  Because I had a bare short block to work with I used the
pulleys from the 350 I took out of it.  So at this point the crank pulley is
the smaller of the two.  If the combination were reversed not only would the
clutch fan turn faster but it would also increase coolant flow via a faster
pump speed.
     If someone could measure both pulley diameters for the 455ci. 4bbl.
(built to '70 specs), it would help immensely.  Any other suggestions or
comments would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,
Glenn
'69 4-4-2

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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 19:00:38 -0300
Subject: Re: A decent donor car? 

At 12:35 PM 6/1/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I may have found a decent donor car for a 455 and TH400 for my '49 Coupe.
>It is a '69 Delta
>88 4dr.  The engine casting is marked, 396021F.  According to the FAQ, this
>is the most common engine.  It is a 2bbl, but that can be fixed.   It runs
>great, and the transmission seems tight.    

I checked the origial stats on that engine...310 HP and 490 lb/ft.  I
believe those "common" heads only give 9.00:1 compression, where as the
other 455's of that year that were equipped with a 4 barrel had 10.25:1
compression.  Output wasn't incredibly more on the 4bbl. though.  I'm in the
hunt as well...Good luck.

- -Aaron

 _____
|  |  |*********************************************************************
|  |  | "..saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac, a little voice inside     *
|  |  |  my head said don't look back...you can never look back..."        *
| /|\ |Aaron Neumann  Akron, OH neumann.12@osu.edu 75213.656@compuserve.com*
|/_|_\|*********************************************************************	

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:20:29 -0300
Subject: Re: A decent donor car? 

At 07:00 PM 6/1/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>>
>I checked the origial stats on that engine...310 HP and 490 lb/ft.  I
>believe those "common" heads only give 9.00:1 compression, where as the
>other 455's of that year that were equipped with a 4 barrel had 10.25:1
>compression.  Output wasn't incredibly more on the 4bbl. though.  I'm in the
>hunt as well...Good luck.
>
>-Aaron:

I am torn.  The last potential donor I found was a '75 "98" with "J" heads.
I am not planning on racing my car, I just want reasonable HP and
dependability.  Both cars are still available.  The "98" also has a good
tilt column and power front seat I could use.  Some folks here tell me that
I might be better off with the "J" heads (hardened valve seats) and the
lower compression for unleaded gas.  After driving both cars, which are
tanks, I think either would make my comparatively featherweight coupe fly.
What do you think?

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
>

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From: rmv@ix.netcom.com (rmv)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:33:39 -0300
Subject: Starfire and Monza 2+2

There continues to be a lot of confusion and misinformation about the
1975-1980 Starfire and Chevy Monza 2+2, as indicated by some recent
postings to this mailing list.  I hope the following helps to clear this
up.

- - The Starfire, Monza 2+2, Buick Skyhawk, and Pontiac Sunbird Sport
  Hatch were all built on the H-Special platform, and share the same H07
  2+2 body style.  The 2+2's pioneered a design trend that continues on
  many sports coupes built today, incorporating features from several GM
  and Pininfarina concept cars.

- - The Starfire, Monza 2+2, and Skyhawk were all introduced in the fall
  of 1974 as 1975 models.  Oldsmobile wanted the Starfire, and it was
  even rumored in the press that it would get the H07 exclusively.
  However that did not happen.  Therefore, was the Starfire built on the
  Monza platform, or was the Monza built on the Starfire platform?  And
  does it matter anyway?  By the way, the Sunbird version was later
  introduced halfway through the 1977 model year.

- - The Starfire was available with L4, Buick 232-V6, and Chevrolet 305-V8
  engines.  Most Starfires came with the V6, the main corporate V6
  engine then and now, which was also available on the Omega, Cutlass,
  88, and 98.  I too would have liked to order my Starfire with a Olds
  V8, but they weren't available.  My theory is that Olds was selling
  every V8 they could produce in the other series, and therefore was not
  available for the Starfire.

- - The Chevette was introduced in the 1976 model year.  How many
  Chevettes came with a V6 or V8?

- - The 2+2's were originally designed for the Wankel rotary engine.  To
  my knowledge the Vega (H platform) was not.  The confusion may be
  because the 2+2's were were initially referred to as the "Italian
  Vega" or "Wankel Vega" in the press during their development and
  before they were formally named.  It's also my understanding that the
  Starfire and Monza could have come out earlier, but they waited for
  the Wankel to be completed.  As it turns out, the Wankel never made it
  to production.

- - The 2+2's also came with the "Torque arm rear suspension", which was
  later used on the 1982-current F-bodies (Camaro and Firebird).

- - The 1978-79 Monza line was expanded to include the Vega hatchback
  and wagon (H platform) after the Vega name was dropped.  The main
  difference between the Monza and Vega wagons was the front clip.

- - Many of the problems attributed to the H07's were either guilt by
  association with the early Vega's, or corrected by the 1976 or 1977
  model year.  Here goes:
  - The infamous problems with the Vega 140-L4, available on the 1975-77
    Monza and 1976-77 Starfire, were corrected years before the 2+2's
    were introduced.  Very few Starfires had this engine.
  - Problems with the 1975 brakes were corrected by an all new brake
    system in 1976, including larger vented front rotors, larger rear
    drums, etc.
  - Problems with the Borg-Warner T50 5-speed manual transmission were
    corrected by 1977.  A version of this transmission was also used in
    the Cutlass and Omega.
  - I believe the weak front end mentioned below was corrected in 1976.
  - There were many improvements in rust prevention in 1976, zinc metal
    coatings, etc.  Around here in So. Cal, rust is generally not a
    problem but sun damage is.

So in general, myth lags perception by several years.  I suspect that
many of the other problems attributed to the 2+2's were more due to
neglect and abuse than anything else.  The 2+2's generally appealed to
the youth market.

I could go on more about the Starfire and Monza in motorsports (IMSA,
NHRA, SCCA, etc.), but i'll stop for now.

If there are any other Starfire owners out there I'd like to hear from
you.

Mike Van Auken
1979 Starfire GT, I had it built for me
rmv@ix.netcom.com


Joe Padavano <jpada@hqgate.orbital.com> wrote:
>
>          Mid-70s Olds Starfire (nee Monza)?  Small car, RWD, Buick
>          V6, but rarely seen anymore.  The other disadvantage is that
>          you will foreve be tempted to drop in an Olds 403...


Bill Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>In the middle seventies and eighties Olds had a Starfire that was really
>a Chevy Monza (Chevette like drivetrain).  Those are cheap and fair
>cars.  They rusted a lot, so look out.


Timothy A. Churchill <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com> wrote:
>
>BTW, what about those FWD lil Olds from the early - mid 80s, the J-Car
>derivative... I think they took the Firenza name after they wised up and
>lost that Vega/Monza platform? :)


Andrew C. Green <acg@frame.com> wrote:
>
>As for the Chevette/Monza topics, the Monza is a lot closer to the Vega
>than the Chevette. The Vega started in 1971; the Monza and Chevette in
>1975 (er, second thoughts: maybe the Chevette was 1976...). The Monza and
>Vega at various times were supposed to get Wankel rotary engines, but never
>did, though the Monza shares some platform parts with the Vega and used the
>same rear panels for Monza station wagons that had been originally designed
>for Vega wagons. (Look at either from the back and you can't tell them
>apart.) The Monza/Vega has a weak front end, and when the engine cradle (or
>whatever the right term is) distorts or stretches outward, the front end
>alignment goes to hell and the front wheels start to lean inward. The
>springs are usually broken on cars this old, too.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:01:48 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 442: got it!

Nielsen Design Group wrote:
> 
> Well, after pouring over a lot of great info from y'all (whew! My head's
> still spinning!)
> I decided to go for the '68 442!
> 
> It's the real thing, and most of the vitals are still there:
>  4-spd with boot, no console.
> Black buckets. Could use new covers. Where's my best deal for those?
> 
> The wheels are 14" with beauty rings, inner caps and inserts all in place.
> They are brown like they were off some other car. In the trunk is the same
> thing for the spare only cream in color.
> The real thing for 1968-74 have centers with 4 screws holding them to 
the wheel.  The later versions have snap on center caps that are 
smaller and fit only that version of the earlier wheel.  They were 
usually a cast metal gray color but my 1968 Oldsmobile brochure called 
"A catalog of the most importnt sporting events of 1968:" dated 8-67 
shows red painted ones.  I didn't know about the '68's having no trim at 
the vents, but that same 1968 Olds brochure shows the trim on the wheel 
vents. .
> 
> > 
> Stoked to restore,
> Darren Shroeger
>  '68 442
>  '80 GP 350 Olds

Darren;

Consider Tamraz's Parts Discount Warehouse in Plainfield (Chicago), IL. 
 I purchased nice upholstery for my 1970 GS there and the price was 
better than others that I saw.  Only a couple of people make this stuff 
and you get the same thing wherever you shop.  Price and service are the 
main ingredients.  If you quote the other's prices they promise to beat 
them on your order - not after.  I'll be ordering my interior for the 
1968 442 in a month or so.  I have spoken to Bob at 1-800-442-4601.  
thy'll send a catalog and quote you prices on the phone as well as send 
samples.  Shopping won't hurt.

Bill Culp

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From: Dave <dyoung@tesser.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 03:00:29 -0300
Subject: My 1978 Olds 442

I've been sort of casually looking for information about 1978 442's on the web, without 
much success.  I'm not searching for parts or anything (yet) but I've never seen another '78 
aside from mine.  Curiosity, more than anything else.  Any URL's or other info would be 
appreciated.

Also, I'm considering replacing the original 260 V8 that's in the car with a 350, or other 
larger engine.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Dave

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