
oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 19 March 1996       Volume 01 : Number 123


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From: "Jeffrey C. Hunter" <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 17:49:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Doc Watson 

At 06:27 PM 3/15/96 -0400, Ed Atlee wrote:
>
>Some tidbits form the 9/94 MuscleCars magazine, part 2 of the Doc Watson
>interview...unfortunately the article is cut off just when they ask him
"How >tweaked was the first Hurst/Olds", meaning '68 #1, then it says
continued on >page such and such, but it's not!!

Most say I was a little angered when I got this issue, because the entire
Doc Watson story was not there.  The Musclecars Magazine people caught this
error and apologized in their next issue (Nov 94).

In reply to the "How tweaked was the first hurst/Olds?":

'When I went out with the first Hurst/Olds to the drag strip, we had a car
that would run 12.80 ET's at 108 mph through headers and 7-inch tires. At no
point did I tell anyone that you can go out to your dealer and buy this.  It
was what you could make out of it and still drive it. Eventually we got the
car down to low 11-second ETs.  We wanted to demonstrate that wedge
motorscould make horsepower with a hydralic cam, in a car that is street
driveable.'

...Watson goes on to talk about what initiated the building of the first
Hurst/Olds.

In Part three of the article, the writer asked about the Hurst Olds that
went to Bonneville in '89:

'That was intended to be the first car with a stock body configuration to go
over 300mph....' 'We took the Olds Aerotech powertrain with the 121c.i. Olds
Quad Four engine putting out 1600 HP... A lot of time and effort went into
this, but we didn't do it. We got close at 296 mph, but still nobody's done
it...'


Jeff Hunter
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca
 

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:45:00 -0400
Subject: Re: '89 Cutlass Stuff 

 There's a chip company on the www - 

     Been there, don't remember where, though.  I'll pass that on to him,
and see what happens.  Thanks...
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:44:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Spoilers -Reply 

>For what its worth, I heard (last night) from a friend in Ohio who is very
>knowledgeable about Cutlasses that the quality of spoilers varies as
>there is more than one manufacturer.  He claims that the ones from
>Tamraz are better and cheaper than Year One's.  
>
>I might consider one for my 72 442.  They weren't available from the
>factory that year, but were a dealer installed option.

     Great.  Does he have internet access?  (hint  hint  hint)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:45:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Rich carb 

>Now this is more like it!
>
>The carb itself is a brand new (never fiddled with the jets or rods) Edelbrock
>600 cfm elec choke. The faulty carbon canister (the one at the fuel tank?)
      - They all were in the engine compartment, as far as I am aware -

 may
>be the culprit, I don't have one! For some reason mine is gone.
   
    Umm, Good.  I don't think any of the '69's had them (except maybe in
Calif. but I don't think so there either)  We can likely eliminate the
carbon canister on this case.  That extra hose may be a fuel pump return
line (?) that got snipped when someone put a wrong pump on?  Perhaps a
missing or plugged return is causing a higher than normal fuel pressure, and
messing things up there.  Maybe check the fuel pressure against stock specs
(anyone know these offhand?  I'm thinking 4 to 7 psi sounds close)  Maybe
get with the parts houses or something to try to determine if that is the
right fuel pump for that car/engine combo.  
     Then again, we could be barking up the wrong tree completely.  Does
anyone know if they had an actual vent tube on these tanks?  Could that be
what this hose is?

 All that is 
>there is a short piece of rubber hose (unplugged). Could this really be having
>an effect on the richness of the carb? When I bought the car it had the
original
>Qjet on it (still have it) and ran extremely rich then. The new carb has also
>run rich since the day I put it on. 
     Since the original was rich, too, that leads to other questions.  Had
that carb been overhauled ever?  Perhaps something was missed on the reassembly.
     The next, and probably most important question is when and where it's
rich (what rpm ranges, temp, etc.) Maybe we can narrow it down to jets or
idle mixture, or choke, even)  This is a very important diagnostic factor,
and without it, we are all fairly helpless.  Good luck, again....


      Pat Clark
       69 442
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: "Jeffrey C. Hunter" <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 19:17:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Toronado Xperts: Seen any XSR's? 

At 11:53 AM 3/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>>In "The Complete History of General Motors, 1908-1986", there is a picture of
>>>a 1977 Toronado XSR; what is unusual about this model is the *huge*
>>>wraparound rear window, like the 1950's Studebaker. 
>>>
>>>Has anyone ever seen this model Toronado? Was this rear-window only available
>>>on this model, and in 1977, or was this model offered in other years or on
>>>other models?
>>
>>
>>I have not seen a 77 XSR on the road,

According to the 'Old cars price guide', 1977 was the only year for the XS.
There is no mention of an XSR, but there is a photo of the XS, and it has
the wrap-around rear window that you speak of.  The value of a '77 Toronado
is $5000.00 in #1 condition, plus 20% for the XS model.

In 1978, there is an 'SX' model listed, also worth 20% more than the
standard Toronado, which leads me to believe that the 'SX' is the same as
the 'XS' and 'XSR'  

Can anyone back me up on this?

Jeff Hunter
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Toronado Xperts: Seen any XSR's?

> Dan Dale
> '72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Endloader
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So what the heck is this?  I'd love to hear about it . . . .

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 02:09:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedo drive gears:

Wouldnt you just use a reduction box in the ratio of MPH/KPH?

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 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 03:04:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedo drive gears: 

>Wouldnt you just use a reduction box in the ratio of MPH/KPH?

     In my theorys, that's all you'd need...
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://www.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:41:32 -0400
Subject: Re: hey!!!! 

I wrote:

>>Andy Green spaketh thusly:

To which Andy unfurled his tongue and replied:

> Um, no he didn't.

So I now say:

Sorry guy!  *Have coffee before posting..have coffee before posting..have..*
:-)

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:15:58 -0400
Subject: 84 H/O stuff 

Okay, '84 H/O people, today's challenge is:

		...describe your brake pedal!

Just passed 80,000 miles, and I need a new pedal pad (actually since I got the car..the guy lived in crowded North Jersey, where the traffic jam was perfected...)  Anyway, got the replacement, but it doesn't match and seems way long for the pedal.

The old one basically has a raised flat part at the top, nothing in the center, then a raised part at the bottom that is separated into 4 horizontal ridges.  Funny, it almost looks like the one in my Mom's '88 Chrysler.

The Help! part for GM is longer, has the circle in the middle that says "Disc Brakes" or something, the standard GM thing.

So which is it?

I know I'm being anal retentive here, but I'm hoping *someday* the car will be in good enough shape to show, and I don't want to have to remember what the hell I've changed...also I worry that with the longer pad, my foot would just slip off the edge, which could put a quick end to my plans to hang on to the car, know what I mean?

One other question; when you put the key in the door to *unlock* it - do you turn towards the front or back of the car?  Mine is towards the rear, which is counter to all my previous GM experience, including both the 77 and my 85 Firechicken.  And don't tell me it was part of the special Hurst/Olds security package - "And even if a theif gets your keys, he'll never figure out how to open the door!" :-)  Actually, ever notice that people seem to have problems figuring out that you have to let off the shifter button to get into neutral?  I can just see a theif driving off with no problem, then not being able to park it when he got where he was going...:-\  DOH!!

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:00:05 -0400
Subject: 69 H/O project car

OK, went to view the 69 H/O project, and that it is.

For the interested, phone 517-372-9722, Mark. Car is in/near Lansing, MI.Asking
$4500? I think.

Needs paint, interior, some bodywork. Seat covers are trashed. 126K miles. Some
surface rust. samll holes in driver's side floor pan, trunk floor, rest of body
very little rust. I'd rate the body 95% OK, rustwise. RH side r1/4 will need
dent/crease removal, some surface rust work.

Has correct OH trans, H/O air pressure sticker on driver's door. Has hood
scoop, spoiler is broken off at one pedestal, but he has NOS to replace it, he
has correct mirrors. It has correct 15" wheels, near as I can tell. Disk
brakes. Correct W-Z exhaust manifolds. Said to have the 'correct for A/C cars'
differential. 3.23?? ratio... Dash does read "Hurst/Olds", and the shorty
console with dual-gate is there. Gold on the front seats was there, is long
since faded to gray. Used to have A/C; evaporator & firewall stuff is mostly
still there. *Power Windows* I thought was neat.

The bad news: 1968, apparently, VIN was hard to read, red 455 engine with
incorrect J intake, C heads, and a Holley carb. S'far as I know, the 69 H/O's
were supposed to have D heads and a special intake whose casting ID was NOT
- -J-. No Rallye Pak, sorry.

Probably driveable as is. I did see a quantity of ATF or PS fluid on the
plastic under the car, though.

I have the car's VIN, body tag info, etc. for the really interested. Not handy
right now or I would just inlcude it here.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
517-882-9747

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 04:19:52 -0400
Subject: Re: 84 H/O stuff 

     My brake pedal sounds like the first one you described.  The top part 
     (a bit over half) is raised and is textured/grained (or is where it's 
     not worn off) followed by about 1/4" horizontal groove, then the 
     bottom section which has three thin raised horizontal lines 
     sepparating it into 4 sections.  If it ever said "disc brakes" in the 
     middle, then mine is worn off.
     
     I can't say about the door locks offhand, I've got remote entry on my 
     alarm and haven't had to use them for months.  This is the absolute 
     neatest thing about an alarm system, better than sliced bread IMHO.  
     It's got passive arming so I don't have to lock them either, just shut 
     the doors and walk away.  Just don't leave your keys inside. . .
     
     Yes, the shifter confused me too when I was originally test-driving 
     mine.  Having to let off the button when shifting from drive to 
     neutral was done on purpose, so when you're slamming the lightning 
     rods forward and you get to the 3-4 shift you just push the button and 
     slam it forward without having to worry about going too far.  Now it's 
     just kind of subconscious to let up on the button.  I did really 
     confuse the lady at the emissions testing center.  She peered in the 
     car and I had to spend some time convincing her that it was really an 
     automatic (the tesing people operate your car on their dyno if it's a 
     stick or FWD, you get to if it's a RWD auto).
     
     So, can anyone honestly say the lightning rods help get them down the 
     road faster?  They're fun to play with sometimes, but other than that 
     I feel they're just kind of a gimmick.  Having to give the standard 
     "lightning rod speech #1" whenever a new passenger gets in the car 
     gets kinda old.
     
     While I'm here, does anyone know the GM number for the silver paint?  
     The black paint?  I need to pick up some touch-up paint soon. . .
     
     Tom L.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: 84 H/O stuff
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    3/19/96 6:49 AM


Okay, '84 H/O people, today's challenge is:
     
  ...describe your brake pedal!
     
The old one basically has a raised flat part at the top, nothing in the center, 
t hen a raised part at the bottom that is separated into 4 horizontal ridges.  
Funn y, it almost looks like the one in my Mom's '88 Chrysler.
  
  Actually, ever notice that people seem to have problems figuring out that you 
  h
ave to let off the shifter button to get into neutral?  I can just see a theif 
dr iving off with no problem, then not being able to park it when he got where 
he wa s going...:-\  DOH!!
     
Ed Atlee   '77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov  '84 Hurst/Olds
 R O C K E T P O W E R E D ! !
     
     

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:19:53 -0400
Subject: Misc

> also).  Tapping is also the way to get a fried starter working for it's
> last couple starts.

Sometimes, the mechanic leaves off that little brace that runs from the starter
coil housing to the engine block. Besides being a brace, it makes a dandy
ground path, way better than, say, the crusty aluminum nose piece and the
grease between it and the engine block. Then, the starter tests just fine EVERY
time you pull it out, but fails when IN the car. If you tink on the housing
while the assistant turns the key, you see the spark between the coil housing
and the nosepiece, and figure out what's up. Don't ask how I know this. :)


> >I know what you mean Gregg.  I had to pay dearly, $17 a can, for the
> correct slate blue for my 68 Toro.

I believe it's SuperCars Unltd. that has engine paint for like $8/can.
- --chris--

> Hello Everyone.  Just wanted to say hello and give you a description of my
> current project.  I have a 67' 425 with a 455 crank.  I have bored it 60

Unless you also have 455 rods & pistons, that must be an interesting
combination! Why a 425 block? I presume you have the older 45-degree cam bank
angle, rather limiting cam selection...? '67 oughta have C heads, right?

> over, I am running 9.5 to 1 compression (cast pistons)  (hydraulic lifters),
> Cam - duration @ .050  [Intake 204 Exhuast 214  Lift 450  Exhuast 474].
> Pocket ported stock heads, and a Eldebrock Torker Intake.
>    1.  Carb?  (I have a 650 Holley) Bigger? yes!!!
Yes.
>    2.  Ignition Box? MSD?
Yes, get an adjustable limiter type. Summit shows a similar unit from another
company with easy-adjust limit- no little plug-in modules to buy at $20/pack...
>    3.  Horsepower?
Definitely :)

> PS..   Does anyone have or no where I can get some hooker headers for this
> motor (Above        water headers for this motor.  It has 455 heads on this)

"455 heads" ? All Olds heads are rather similar, though there's considerable
variation among the small block heads in chamber size... the BB's are pretty
similar across the board.

> ***Is it common to have a 425 block with a 455 crank?

Common, no, because MOST 425's had that oddball cam bank angle. Only the
Toronado 425's with the larger 0.921" lifters have the more conventional 39
degree cam configuration. Other than that, no reason one can't swap
reciprocating assembly bewteen 425 & 455, make either size engine out of either
block. Differences: Stroke, rod length, compression height.
- --chris--

> I'm looking for a rear wing/spoiler for my '69 4-4-2.  It doesn't
> have to be perfect.  I can use a 'core' if that's what you have.  I'm
> not looking for NOS...just something I can work with.
> Glenn

Hey, that 69 H/O has one that DEFINITELY falls into the 'not perfect' category-
the new owner would probably be GLAD to part with that spoiler.

> What auto trannies were used by Olds from 1960 to 1970? What year was the
> turbo 400 1st used? 350? Any 3 speed autos before these? Were they any good?

1965 was the 1st year of the TH400, I bleieve. I know my 65 Delta has one.

> * 67 98 Coupe, ps, pb, seats (always nice to have seats in a car.-ed.) trunk

Hey, that implies that the rust is not SO bad- the seats are still in there-
held up by the carpet?

> (that too...-ed.), antenna, working air, original motor, working air (must be
> proud of that, he listed it twice!), rust, runs & drive, restorable, (917)
> 766-6590

> * 72 Cutlass Supreme, 2 dr, red, rally wheels, sport wheel, runs great, needs
> front nose, $550 (914) 472-4977

As opposed to, say, the rear nose? That have a "12 volt" rear end, too? :)

> Whomever ordered a 442 W-30 hardtop in Metalic Sea foam Green  needed to have
> their head examined.  Also the people that ordered my '70 Royale, yea !  them
> too,  'Cause it was that same Dirty Atlantic City Ocean water green color.
> (thats what I dubbed SeaFoam Metalic  :)  )  That must have been a real poop-u
lar color in 69 and 70
> David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu

Yeah, my red convertible 68 W30 was ordered in something like light green
exterior and dark green interior. Go figger. I think it'll stay non-original
for a while.
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:30:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Toronado Xperts: Seen any XSR's? 

>> Dan Dale
>> '72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Endloader
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So what the heck is this?  I'd love to hear about it . . . .

My car is a hearse. Endloader refers to where the "container" is loaded into
the car. On some hearses they are loaded through a rear door...these are called
"endloaders". other hearses have side doors that open suicide style through
which the coffin is put in on a sliding tray. these are called "side-loaders"

more info on this is in my hearse page at
http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/hearse.html  if you're interested
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$ Daniel Dale  daleds@okra.millsaps.edu f-list since 2/95 $
$ http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html              $
$ cars:  1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader,   $
$ 1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1987 Chevrolet $
$ Camaro IROC-X 5.7 TPI, 1955 Cadillac Seville,           $
$ (2) 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertible (one for parts),  $ 
$ 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham,             $
$ 1961 Imperial Custom                                    $                  
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$     

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:14:43 -0400
Subject: '68 Delta 88 

I have been looking for a donor car to get a 455 to put in my '49 Olds club
coupe.  Found a 1968 Delta 88 with 50,000 original miles.  He wants $1200.
I figure I can run the engine and trans as is.  Valve cover gaskets are
leaking, but all else looks fine.

What do you think about price?  According to my car encyclopedia, this is a
two bbl, 320 hp version 455 with 400 turbo trans.

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:40:25 -0400
Subject: Stuff found, H/O, etc.

Did I mention that the 69 H/O has considerable mildew on the interior?

For the "gentleman" from FLA who was inquiring as to the progress of our thaw:
it's going real fine, went out to scout parts Saturday, and got my truck stuck-
in 3" of mud. At least it did not sink any deeper! Thanks to the reminaing
frost down there. I gotta get some tires with real tread... Of course, my
brother had gone away, so I had the pleasure of walking to get the tractor, and
then pulling it out singlehandedly. Twice. After I got the truck back up to
gravel road and was finishing up, THEN the neighbor comes over with his
"World's Largest 4WD Truck"  Well, hey, at least the tractor didn't get stuck
:)

I did find the following items of interest:
in the '65 D88 is a *clip on* visor vanity mirror, with "Oldsmobile" on it!

A Walker "T3=3786" tailpipe, came with the 66 Toro- fits ???, New.

Set of 4 '66 Toro wheel covers, good condition, 15" wheels. 66 Toro taillites,
maroon seat backs [metal, no release mechanism], fan shroud from A/C car,
vacuum trunk release. Power antenna switch.

As an interesting note, the 66 Toro p.ant. sw. looked A LOT like the 67
Convertible top switch that somebody was looking for, so I extracted it.
The electrical connector looks to be the same. However, the design of the "knob"
part is slightly different, which might be OK, but, the mounting ears are just
a wee bit different- offset setbacks on the Toro unit, same setback distance on
the Cutlass unit. Harumph.

I was quite surprised to find that the vacuum trunk release still worked. I
mean, it opened the trunk when I pressed the button. The car has not run nor
had an engine since last July or so!

On a upbeat note, I looked over the other 66 Toro parts car, was pleasantly
surprised to find, not a 66 Toro engine, but a 67 Toro engine! C heads, D-425
block with the drill spot signifying the 39 degree cam... and parts of the dual
snorkel air cleaner. Ah, yet another pair of big valve C heads! Yes!

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 14:40:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Doc Watson

> In Part three of the article, the writer asked about the Hurst Olds that
> went to Bonneville in '89:
> 
> 'That was intended to be the first car with a stock body configuration to go
> over 300mph....' 'We took the Olds Aerotech powertrain with the 121c.i. Olds
> Quad Four engine putting out 1600 HP... A lot of time and effort went into
> this, but we didn't do it. We got close at 296 mph, but still nobody's done
> it...'
> 
> 
> Jeff Hunter
> jchunter@xcelco.on.ca
>  


WoW! a Quad Four that puts out 1600 hp! Gimmie, Gimmie

(does it get 30+mph to boot?)


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         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442


   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:06:52 -0400
Subject: Desparado 

So I'm watching this movie, and I'm like, cool, a nice, white, '76 Cutlass - almost bought one a couple months ago...not cool, no, wait, the explosion was kind of in front of the car, maybe it'll be okay...then the hail of gunfire ripped into the side of it... :-(

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:54:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds' for sale in CT/NY area 

In a message dated 96-03-18 05:33:06 EST, you write:

>>>* 1968 Toronado, 455, auto, every available option, straight rust-free
>body,
>>>call for information (201) 779-1563 Gus (hmmm. good source for those
>C-heads
>>>to put on your mid-80's 442, huh? someone wanted a power antenna switch
for
>a
>>>Toro too, didn't they? Sounds like a perfect candidate for parting... ;)
>>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Man, you gotta stop giving people ideas like that...I have enough trouble
>>trying to find parts!
>
> -----Loaded, straight, AND rust free?  I'm not too sure about that
>~parting~ idea!  :o

I hope everyone caught the "wink" --> ;) at the end of it, and remembered the
brief volley a few months ago about the use of toros as parts cars for 442's,
or 442's as parts-cars for toros...

I'd like a nice straight toro myself! Obviously, don't part something like
that out...

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:39:48 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 84 H/O stuff 

         While I'm here, does anyone know the GM number for the silver paint?  
     The black paint?  I need to pick up some touch-up paint soon. . .
     
     Tom L.

Tom, I know GM color 19 is black.  You need to look at your color code on the
header panel of the car it will say something like 19L for black lower and 15U
for the upper color. (15 and 16 were both GM silvers i believe)

David Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu

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From: J Sinclair <JKSINCLA@SCIENCE.watstar.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:41:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 84 H/O stuff 

unsubscribe oldsmobile


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J Sinclair

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From: david.chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 17:11:29 -0400
Subject: Guess What I found in the Attic??? 

When I was packing getting ready to move, I came across a cool light that I use
to have in my bedroom.  It was an Oldsmobile showroom advertisement light from
1964.  It is a large red 4 pointed star sort of elongated (almost ala Starfire
crest)  with a unsquare white textured box in the center with black Ninety Eight
script on one side and Jetstar I script on the other.  When a light bulb is
screwed in it there is a Starter relay which causes the light to pulsate.  My
guess was that these were hung in the showroom windows because they could
function as a 2 sided advertisement.  Looks real neat at night but can become
rather annoying after a while but Great for a den!!!!!
David.Chontofalsky@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:25:35 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88 

> From: idaholc@primenet.com (Bill Goodnight)
> 
> I have been looking for a donor car to get a 455 to put in my '49 Olds club
> coupe.  Found a 1968 Delta 88 with 50,000 original miles.  He wants $1200.
> I figure I can run the engine and trans as is.  Valve cover gaskets are
> leaking, but all else looks fine.
> 
> What do you think about price?  According to my car encyclopedia, this is a
> two bbl, 320 hp version 455 with 400 turbo trans.

This sounds like a good price for a 1968 Delta 88 with 50,000 original miles.
I don't know what the book value is, but from a practical stand point,
there should be a lot of miles left in this car.

I'm not sure how good a deal $1200 is for a 455 and transmission with
50K miles.  I will defer this question to those who know more about this
than me.

I will even add this question...  Is 50K miles in 28 years a good thing for
an engine and transmission?  That's less than 1800 miles/year.

With a 4V carb, headers, and dual exhaust, you would see a significant 
increase in HP with that engine.

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Robert Lawrence   | These opinions are strictly my own, 
lawrencr@gdls.com |       ____
(810) 825-8007    |   ___<____>======
                  |  <o_o_o_o_o_o>     Tanks, for your support!

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:57:33 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta 88 

>This sounds like a good price for a 1968 Delta 88 with 50,000 original miles.
>I don't know what the book value is, but from a practical stand point,
>there should be a lot of miles left in this car.

*ahem*  Yes, I was thinking the same thing. If a tree fell on it or something,
fine, part it out, but otherwise isn't this car in pretty good all-around
condition? I feel a twinge of concern here that maybe the car would still be
worth more than the sum of its parts, as an interesting daily driver or boat
puller, perhaps. How rotted out is the body?
- --
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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