
oldsmobile-digest          Saturday, 6 April 1996       Volume 01 : Number 139


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:35:49 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for...

Buddha wrote:
> 
>
> also, what style of script would you suggest for the tailgate...a modern one
> like the new chevy's have or maybe a nostalgic oldsmobile script?


If you're trying to replicate a MODERN truck, I'd go with the Upper/Lower 
case Oldsmobile as found on the current models.

Did he use the C-word?

The 66 Toro and MIke

 
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:12:30 -0400
Subject: More switch pitch TH400 info 

So just what is a switch pitch anyways?  What does it do?
          
As others have posted, the switch pitch or vairable pitch torque converter 
employs moveable internal vanes to change stall speed and as a result torque 
multiplication of the unit.  The TH400 (and I assume the Jetaway, but I'm not 
sure) use torque converters with three sets of internal vanes enclosed in a 
housing filled with hydraulic fluid.  The impeller is connected to the engine's 
flywheel and is driven at engine speed.  This impeller forces the hydraulic 
fluid through a (normally) fixed set of vanes, known as the stator, which 
redirects the fluid towards the third set, known as the turbine.  This last set 
is connected to the input shaft of the transmission.  The angle of the blades of
the stator are selected to provide torque multiplication, but at the expense of 
increased stall speed and slippage.  For normal fixed converters this is always 
a compromise.  

GM sought to get around this by developing a moveable "stator" which could 
change their angle (and resulting torque multiplication) through the application
of hydraulic pressure.  The original intent of the switch pitch converter was to
act as a torque multiplier for additional passing acceleration.  A 
throttle-mounted switch would activate a solenoid valve in the transmission 
which would direct high pressure hydraulic fluid to the converter and move the 
vanes through an internal piston arrangement.  Note that this is in addition to 
the normal electric kickdown in the TH400.

As I've noted in another post, this works great for a street/strip car by 
allowing one to have a high stall torque converter for off-the-line launches and
a normal converter for daily driving.  Just use a toggle switch connected to the
solenoid to select the stall speed.  Another clever application I've seen is to 
wire the stall speed solenoid to the brake light switch.  This way, whenever you
step on the brake (ie, at a stop light) the stall speed is increased, making for
an easier idle if you have a rump-rump cam installed.  As soon as you release 
the brake, the converter "locks up" (actually just goes back to its normal stall
speed).  This certainly makes it easier to drive way too much cam on the street.

Hope this helps.  I've installed one of the Kenne-Bell kits myself;  feel free 
to contact me directly for more info.

Joe Padavano
jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30
          

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 09:55:49 -0400
Subject: Switch pitch TH400 (Again) 

          I posted the following on 4/4/96 but I didn't get the 
          feeling that it was seen by anyone.  Please let me know if 
          this gets posted this time.  I appologize for the redundancy 
          if it did get through before.
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30
          
          I performed this same swap on a standard 69 TH400 using the 
          switch pitch kit from Kenne-Bell.  I installed it during a 
          complete rebuild of the tranny (BTW, I used a B&M rebuild 
          kit...Very detailed instructions and very easy, considering 
          I had never had an automatic apart before!).  Note that the 
          rebuild was _not_ required to install the switch pitch.  The 
          Kenne-Bell kit included the front pump, converter, 
          activation solenoid, and the two-wire connector for the 
          trans case.  
          
          I did this conversion over ten years ago, but I seem to 
          recall that it was a complete bolt-in with the exception of 
          the need to drill one small hole in a plug in the mounting 
          face which the pump bolted to (on second thought, maybe I 
          just had to replace the original plug with a kit-supplied 
          one which had the hole in it).  The purpose of this was to 
          provide the high-pressure hydraulic oil source to move the 
          vanes in the converter.  The solenoid included in the kit 
          looks just like the normal kickdown solenoid and mounts on 
          the valve body.  Apparently all TH400 cases have this 
          passageway cast in and it is just plugged for non-switch 
          pitch applications.
          
          I had the tranny in a 71 Cutlass behind a dual-quad 
          nitroused 455 that ran a best of 11.95 @ 115.5 mph.  The 
          switch pitch made a big difference in the launch of the car. 
           Low stall was about 1500 rpm, high stall about 2800.
          
          I seem to recall that the switch pitch was primarily used by 
          Buick in the mid-60s (hence the Kenne-Bell connection).
          
          

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From: dan houlton x0710 <tc75918a@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:34:53 -0400
Subject: What to do with my 85 Cutlass??

Hi all.  I've been a lurker here on a semi-frequent basis for the last
several months and I thought I'd share my upcoming project and look for
any info and advice you could give.

I own an 85 Cutlass Salon w/ all the options (I think) including T-tops.
I've had it for about 4 years and it's been in storage at my folks for
the last 2 years almost.  I've been a fan of the early 80 Cutlasses since
I was about 16 and owned an 80 for 5 years before the 85.  Anyways, I've
been waiting for the opportunity to fix it up and it looks like I'll be
able to start this fall.  I'm building a house now so I'll have a nice big
3 car garage to work in.  I only have a basic set of tools now, but plan on
getting others as I need them.  Also figure I can rent engine and tranny
jacks when the time comes.  I want to do most of the grunt work myself, 
but will take the engine and tranny to a shop for any internal/skilled
work.

1)  Engine & Driveline
  The engine is a 307 and a 3spd metric tranny.  Thought originally it
  was a TH350, but found out it wasn't a few years ago when I put in a
  shift kit.  What I want is 300+ hp and an overdrive tranny that can
  handle it (is that possible?).  I also assume I'll need a new driveshaft
  and possibly a new rear axle (w/ posi) to handle the power as well.

  I think the 307 is out (how much hp can you get from one of these
  anyways?)  I would love a 4.0 Aurora engine, but that's probably out
  of reach by a long ways.  Anybody know what one would cost with all
  the accessories and computer?  
  Which leads me to a 350 or 455 Rocket.  I love the thought of a 455,
  but am worried about fuel economy.  Yes I want hp, but I don't want 
  about 12mpg to get it.  What can I expect in price, hp, torque, and 
  fuel economy for a 350 or 455 Rocket? Would I be better off with the
  350 for the weight/mpg/bulk advantages? Seems like for long trips, the
  torque of the 455 would turn an OD tranny without even noticing so maybe
  it would be the better choice?

  I've also dreamed of Lightning Rods since I had my 80.  I believe my
  OD tranny options would be a 700R4 or 200R4(?).  Will LRs work with
  either of these?  Can you still buy LRs or will I have to find a
  wrecked H/O?

  I've also thought the little rectangular holes in the front bumper would
  make excellent intakes for a ram-air system.  Is it really as easy as
  hooking up the ducting to the air cleaner to make this work?  Or does
  a ram-air system need some kind of controls for shutting it on and off
  at different speeds or a special fuel management system?


2)  Body/Suspension
  The body needs some work.  This was a Michigan car, so I need new doors.
  I'm in Arizona now though, so I should be able to find some good rust-
  free ones pretty reasonably.  Also needs the rear end straitend and some
  body work to the left rear quarter panel.  I got rear-ended in Chicago
  (which is why I parked it) and it shifted the back end over slightly.  I
  don't think it's anything that can't be straitened (I hope), but I don't
  really know what can and can't be done so that may be a show-stopper on 
  the whole project.  Also planning a H/O replica rear spoiler and hood
  scoop, painting the whole thing a deep shinny burghandy, and leaving off
  all of the chrome trim along doors, fenders, hood, etc.  I'm also gonna
  replace all the weather-stripping.  

  New shocks are a must.  I've also wondered about new polyurethane 
  bushings as well.  Are they worth the effort?  Also probably gonna need
  new springs up front if I have the 455 in it.  Any suggestions?  I had 
  one opportunity to drive a Monte SS.  I absolutely loved the firm ride
  and corning ability that thing had.  My Cutlass has had more of a plushy 
  squishy ride for smoothness.  What can I do to give it a firmer, more 
  responsive ride?  Special shocks, beefier anti-sway bars?




So far, I've picked up the names Fusick, Year One, and Jegs as parts
suppliers but have no numbers or addresses.  Anybody got them handy or
some other places to look as well?


thanks
- --Dan

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:16:56 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

>Yeah, but a funeral procession at 70+mph? When the nice officer asks
>us _who_ is in the hearse, who shall we say is in there...?

On the Automotive side: A Che*y????

On the Political side: Bill Clinton????

;-)


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup, soon to be "Bravadaized".
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:16:55 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for...

>> I am looking for any information on the Bravada truck that Oldsmobile was
>> GOING to release along with the Bravada...i am currently working on an 
S-10
>> that will be converted to a Bravada truck...i was looking through the 
repair
>> manual for the '91 bravada and have seen some diagrams of the planned
>> released truck...my question is:  was the truck going to include the 
entire
>> body package, or just the front bumper cover...also what was the planned
>> interior going to look like?


Buddha,

Please include a list of part numbers to "Oldsify" your S-10. As I have 
a 1994 GMC Sonoma, I also plan on using Bravada parts to do the same...


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup, soon to be "Bravadaized".
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: conrad <rad19@icon.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:59:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 66TORO TRANNY

Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-04-03 21:37:46 EST, you write:
> 
> >According to Olds, it was a Turbohydramatic Transmission - no number
> >designation, although it's been written that it was a specially adapted
> >TH400 - with TH400 internals, supposedly.
> 
> I'd always heard them referred to as the TH425.
> 
> 

Okay, I was told by the guy at the tranny shop (who has 20 yrs exp..) that the TORO 
tranny is a 425.  The tranny is a TH400 but the "25" designates it as a front-wheel 
drive.  He was a little "short" about explaining although I tried to, as tactfully as 
possible, ask him how he knew that since I couldnt find it in writing anywhere.

I still didn't get any reply as to the original color.  I would also like to know the 
original color of the 425 engine in the TORO.  Was it slate blue like the air cleaner 
and valve cover gaskets? Or, was it gold with slate blue vcovers/cleaner?  I have a '66 
HOTROD magazine and the cover is the TORO power-plant.  It shows the tranny as gold, the 
engine as gold, the differential as red and the valve cover/air cleaner as slate blue.  
Any replies appreciated.  I'm getting ready to have the tranny painted and would like 
the original color.  

Thanks, Conrad

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do with my 85 Cutlass??

dan houlton x0710 wrote:
> 
>
>   I've also thought the little rectangular holes in the front bumper
>   would make excellent intakes for a ram-air system.  Is it really as 
>   easy as hooking up the ducting to the air cleaner to make this work? 
>   Or does a ram-air system need some kind of controls for shutting it 
>   on and off at different speeds or a special fuel management system?


First, I won't claim to be an expert on this but I did do a little work 
with air-induction and other aerodynamic things when I has involved with 
sprint cars back in PA.

Second, I don't know specifically about the suitability of the bumper 
holes in your car, BUT...

There are ways to figure it out.  How well the intake works depends on 
the air-flow over, under, and around the car.  The air can actually 
"build" up on the bumper and grill becoming turbulent or non-laminar (not 
flowing smoothly).  The easy way to check for good air flow is to run a 
duct (such as a dryer hose) from one of the holes into the car and see 
what kind of air comes through.  If it weak (as compared to the outside 
air (at speed), it won't be much help.

A fancier way is to tape or glue strips of yarn all around the intake 
hole in the bumper (with the duct still hooked up so the air has 
someplace to go).  You'll need a second car to drive in front of you to 
observe or, preferably, video tape the action of the yarn around the 
intake.  If the yarn jumps around all over the place, the air flow is 
non-laminar and probably the intake probably won't do much good as a ram 
(though it still will some provide fresh air).  If, on the other hand, 
the yarn gets sucked INTO the intake, it should work pretty good.

We had pretty good success with the two car method in testing intakes 
and wings for the sprints.

BTW, it is pretty difficult to predict where on a car is a good location 
for any air intakes.  It has to do with where the high and low presure 
areas are.  That's what wind-tunnels are for.  Case in point, that 
apparently backwards hood scoop on some of the bow-ties.


The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 04:18:47 -0400
Subject: Serial Numbers 

Anyone know what kind of information can be determined from the serial number on a car?  I've got the 1938 Old's and finding historical information has been tough.....S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
18619 - 68 Ave.		| 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
Edmonton, AB  CANADA	| 1976 Camaro
T5T 2M8			| <:)

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:16:56 -0400
Subject: How do you get rid of a bumper? 

Last night it finally happened; I got The Call. It was from Dad, who
wanted to know when I planned to get rid of a rusty front bumper assembly
from an old '76 Cutlass that's been sitting in their garage (not the
car, just the bumper) for years. It got there when I put a nice new one
on the car one day and shoved the old one to the back. We'll pause for a 
moment here while you think about how big and heavy a '76 Cutlass bumper is.

*  *  *

Okay, how do I get rid of it? The local garbage pickup won't touch it,
I can't transport it anywhere without borrowing a pickup, and simply
leaving it outside in the hopes that the Bumper Fairy will come by and
leave me a quarter for it is pretty pointless; it's so rusty that I doubt
any scavenger would want it. If I do haul it off myself, would junkyards
charge to take it? How do body shops get rid of this stuff?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:24:30 -0400
Subject: Re: JWO & OCA (fwd) 

At 08:40 PM 4/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>From Dave Yaros, thought it probably should have gone here rather than to 
>just me.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 18:36:03 -0400
>From: D. Yaros <76703.4332@compuserve.com>
>To: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
>Subject: Re: JWO & OCA
>
>Greg:  Join the club, he says "tongue in cheek".  I have been an OCA member for
>a few years now.  Last January I sent an 
>article to JWO for print.  It has yet to see the light of day!  This, when they
>are begging for submissions from members?
> 
>No, OCA/JWO is definitely NOT technophobic.  Don't know if the Prez is on the
>Net or not.  Will have to see if a search will 
>get a hit on his name:  Steve DeNovi, of Tinley Park, IL?  Since he is in
IL and
>Dennis' widow and current JWO editor, is not, 
>I assume they have a means of communicating electronically?
> 
>While I have you, invite you, and any one else with an interest to check out my
>web site, which has some Oldsmobile info.
>The address is:  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DYaros
> 
>							Dave Yaros

Soapbox mode ON:

It seems to me that JWO IS fairly behind the times technically.  I agree that
they should be listing the ever-burgeoning number of World Wide Web sites that
cater to Oldsmobile enthusiasts, with Bryce's page the best example.  JWO
DID mention
this email group, though.  They also don't have an email address for submission
of articles, classified ads, and so forth.  Heck, even the NAOC, which seems to
be run by individuals whose average age is 85 (just joking!) is ahead of JWO/OCA
on this one.

I, too, once wrote to Dennis Casteele offering to help in something having to
do with JWO (I can't remember exactly what it was), but I never heard a
response 
from him.  This was 3-4 years ago.  I got the feeling that he ran a pretty
closed
shop and didn't want much input (perhaps he thought of it as interference) from
others.  

For example, I've always thought that JWO could benefit from a
question-and-answer
column (something more than a "tips from the Rocket Garage" that JWO has
now).  I
subscribe to Cars and Parts (an excellent magazine, in my opinion), and one of
the first things I turn to in each issue is their "Toolbox" column where they
answer technical questions sent in by readers.  

I've also always thought that JWO could benefit from a letters-to-the-editor
column.  I mean, is it necessary to list OCA chapters and model year advisors
EVERY month?  That just looks to me like filling space.

Soapbox mode OFF


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:28:23 -0400
Subject: Re: JWO & OCA 

At 10:26 PM 4/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>From what I understand, OCA has it's hands full right now with some internal
>problems.  Penny C. has been doing an excellant job of putting out the
>newsletter, but it has been suggested that applications be taken to fill the
>position because there is at least one other person that is interested in
>doing it.  I don't know yet what they're going to do about it, but I
>understand that there are some people that are rather upset.
>
>Also, there is a woman from NY that has decided that she would like to run
>for Steve D.'s position as President.  She has been sending letter to all the
>chapters making some very valid points about how the club is being run and
>how it should be run.  Steve evidently sent a reply to the chapters, but I
>haven't seen it as yet (they were sent to our Chapter President.


I've heard about this, too.  Apparently one of the things she is the most
upset about (as are other people/chapters) is that there won't be judging at
the 1997 Nationals.  Our chapter (Mid-Ohio) sent a letter to Steve DeNovi,
with copies to all the other chapters, expressing our desire for judging
and offering to help.  We got a letter back from Steve stating why there
won't be judging.  The reasons are good, and we're going to get on with
our lives.  But there are others who are pretty upset abou it.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:35:04 -0400
Subject: Re: How do you get rid of a bumper?

When I had to get rid of the rusted-out rear bumper on my Cutlass, I just 
lugged it out back to the dumpster behind my apartment building. Fit 
right in. Maybe you should scout your neighborhood for unattended 
dumpsters and then make a deposit under cover of darkness...

:)  

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:56:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers 

At 04:18 AM 4/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone know what kind of information can be determined from the serial
number on a car?  I've got the 1938 Old's and finding historical information
has been tough.....S.G. Hartfelder


Depending on the era, the serial number, or Vehicle 
Identification Number (VIN), as it's called now,
can tell you not much or quite a lot.  Back in the 
era of your car, the serial number probably didn't tell you
much more than the production sequence number, and 
perhaps the model year and assembly point.  Nowadays,
the VIN usually tells you the exact series and body 
style, engine type, assembly point, model year, and, 
of course, the production sequence number.

The best place to find out how to "decode" your serial
number is in a factory service manual, if you can get
hold of one for your year.  If not, you might try to
get in touch with the "model year advisor" for 1938 listed
in Journey with Olds (OCA) or Runabouts to Rockets (NAOC).



************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:06:42 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for... 

At 12.35 04,05,96 -0400, you wrote:
>Buddha wrote:
>> 
>>
>> also, what style of script would you suggest for the tailgate...a modern one
>> like the new chevy's have or maybe a nostalgic oldsmobile script?
>
>
>If you're trying to replicate a MODERN truck, I'd go with the Upper/Lower 
>case Oldsmobile as found on the current models.
>
>Did he use the C-word?
>
>The 66 Toro and MIke
>
> 
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649
>

sorry about the C-word...but the style of lettering that is there now is the
only example that i have seen...
               Buddha
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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:13:51 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for... 

>
>Buddha,
>
>Please include a list of part numbers to "Oldsify" your S-10. As I have 
>a 1994 GMC Sonoma, I also plan on using Bravada parts to do the same...
>
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
>E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
>Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
>Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup, soon to be "Bravadaized".
>         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

well, i dont know any of the part numbers...as they will be different for
your new body style...what you will need for the basic appearance is the
grill, the centre olds emblem, and the nameplate that bolts onto the grill,
you can also get a set of door nameplates...the year of parts you will need
will be 96 bravada parts, and if your local OLDSMOBILE dealer is a cool guy
(like mine) he will love it that you are making an olds truck...my local
olds dealer has an olds truck they made after the owners wife backed her new
bravada into a telephone pole and totaled it...and good luck if you can even
look at a real 96 bravada...GM is being slow on releasing it
                    Buddha
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   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:17:34 -0400
Subject: 100th anivesary 

when and where is teh 100th Oldsmobile reunion at?
               Buddha
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   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:36:51 -0400
Subject: Re: JWO & OCA 

I called the OCA number last night, and unknown at first, was speaking with 
Penny Casteel.  Wanted to get the '97 Nationals info right away.  Anyways, I 
wound up calling again to get the fax number and ask about the Web page article.
Fax is 517-321-8770, available 24hrs/day.  Penny usually answers the OCA phone 
on evenings and weekends.

Penny said the web article was going to run in the current month's issue, but 
the election info needed to be run, so it ran in it's place.  The web article 
will probably run next month, manybe in the "main" section of JWO.

For anyone who submitted an article and it has not been published, I would call 
Penny and inquire about it.  Just my two cents.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:55:36 -0400
Subject: Re: JWO & OCA 

Forgot to mention:

I did my best to pitch Bryceman's web page as an OCA site.  Maybe OCA needs an 
Internet officer (or whatever they call it)?  Maybe this stuff falls under the 
Communications officer?

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:52:47 -0400
Subject: Re: How do you get rid of a bumper? 

Any scrap metal yard will take it.  I would think any car parts yard would just 
add it to their crush pile.  This way it will be recycled!  Call 'em first 
though.

David Brown
dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu    (312) 702-9157
"Oldsmobile - powerful roadsters with big V8s"

------------------------------

From: "wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com" <wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com> 
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:22:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Switch-Pitch Converters 

>"The THM transmission now was fitted with variable stator
>blades, providing improved performance in the 15 to 50 mph
>speed range.  The stator blade's normal 32 degree pitch was,
>when the accelerator was partly depressed, changed to 51 degrees,
>which allowed the engine to pick up some 700 to 800 rpms.  When
>the car was at idle, the vanes maintained their high position,
>which reduced the Hydra-Matic's tendency to creep at stoplights."

>According to this description, it appears that the torque converter
>would be in high stall at idle, low stall just off idle and at
>light throttle, then at high stall again at some part throttle
>setting.  Is this correct?

Yes.

I have a SP converter behind my THM-400 in my H/O.  I didn't do
the installation myself (I've got a real good transmission
mechanic), but I did wire the switches to accomplish just this 
described action.  It feels like another shift of the transmission 
when the vane angles are switched.  Putting the SP with the THM-400
is a no-brainer for a reputable tranny mechanic.  My mechanic says
that he does it all the time.

Wes Fujii

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:26:27 -0400
Subject: Trans/cranks

Ah, so! The trick setup is a factory Switch Pitch TH400 fitted with a Jetaway
tork converter... Hmmmm... the 65 Delta has a TH400, have to check & see it
it's the 2-wire feed... And, that gives another reason to pick up that '66
parts Cutlass- the trans innards is prolly about the only salvaveable parts
there. The rest goes off to Padnos for recycling...

So, the TH400 long shaft, like in the big cars, can be converted to short shaft
version just by swapping tailshaft/housing, right? Use a donor trans like a
munched C*hevy short shaft for the tail pcs... Use the case & front pcs from
the Olds SP version, get a short-shaft switch pitch TH400... right?

Found an ad in HMN:
Dave, NY, has CRANKS, ground, with bearings, ready to use, early or late big
block Olds, maybe SB's too. $100. CHEAP!
  914-471-2140

No, he has no forged 455 cranks. Natch, I already checked!
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:38:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 66TORO TRANNY

Sorry, Conrad.  I meant to go check the paint on mine for you but got 
side-tracked.  I'll get back to you later today or sometime tomorrow.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:05:49 -0400
Subject: Re: JWO & OCA

David, that's an amazingly quick answer, and thank you. Actually I don't 
particularly care whether or not they print the article, though if they 
do that will be great. My point was really one as to why they were 
seeming to ignore a good opportunity re. the web page, etc. Maybe you're 
correct in speculating that it's a job for the Communications Officer. 

And I didn't even realize that Penny and I were on a first-name basis! 
Thanks again for the info.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:10:39 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

>I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
>the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997.
I'll be there...in my 69 Cutlass...just say when and where.

------------------------------

From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:25:33 -0400
Subject: Re: finally

joe ferrero  (age 22)
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437

hey i'm interested for those parts for $20.  where do i send the 
check???  

olds 455 intake and 2barrel carb????

my e-mail is in%"jjf96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu"

thanks!


- --joe    (the college student)

------------------------------

From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:43:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437




serial # on a 38 olds....


if you can give me about 2 weeks, i can let you know as much info as i 
can find on it....  i do some research for you but, i'll need the 
numbers.   best bet is the firewall tag numbers to start with.....

also the national antique oldsmobile club (NAOC) has advisors for each
year i believe up through 1964.   i'll have to check my magazine.... but
i can get you the 1938 advisor's name, address and phone #.  they can 
tell you anything from the options your car had to offer, when it was 
made, where it was made, and many other facts and figures on the car.


keep your eye open for 38 OLDS on here....  i'll get you the info as 
soon as i can.


- --joe  (with a 47 and a 48 olds)

------------------------------

From: GUEISEPPI THE BARBER <JJF96@uno.cc.geneseo.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:52:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

joe ferrero
13 rorbach lane
geneseo, ny 14454
(716) 243-3437

if i can get my 1947 2 dr fastback finished as a street rod, i hope to
be there with it towing my origional 1948 olds (4 door).


- --joe  (the college student)

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:25:13 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

At 16.10 04,05,96 -0400, you wrote:
>>I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
>>the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997.
>I'll be there...in my 69 Cutlass...just say when and where.
>

me too, in my 91 bravada truck!
      ___
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  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:25:13 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet 

At 16.10 04,05,96 -0400, you wrote:
>>I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
>>the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997.
>I'll be there...in my 69 Cutlass...just say when and where.
>

me too, in my 91 bravada truck!
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:32:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers

> At 04:18 AM 4/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >Anyone know what kind of information can be determined from the serial
> number on a car?  I've got the 1938 Old's and finding historical information
> has been tough.....S.G. Hartfelder
> 
> 
	Also might try writing the Olds Hitstory Center.  I wrote them 
with all the number from my '60, and they send gobs of info, including 
photo copies of a bunch of original sales stuff with options and their 
codes, etc.  And all for the price of a stamp!  The address and all that 
stuff is on Brycemans web page.
		Hope this helps..
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:55:03 -0400
Subject: Wntd: 67 parts

Finally got a list from my brother of the misc. 67 Cutlass/442 stuff he thinks
he needs:

John Witt
6248 E. Taft Rd., Rt.2
Ovid, MI 48866
517-834-5571

- ---------------1967 Cutlass Supreme/442 parts WANTED:

1967 Steering Wheel, black, excellent condition
1967 Heater delete plate
1967 Taillight buckets [upper], pitless chrome

1967 Hood, louvred, for 442, good conditon.
1967 AM/FM/Wonderbar ? radio
12 bolt posi, ratio >= 3.42

1967 TH400 trans, code OG, any condition.
Disc brakes for '67 A-body GM car.
'67-68 Tilt Steering column, floor shift, black preferred.

Driveshaft, correct length for TH400 in '67 442
Mounting brackets for bucket seats- inboard stampings on floor.
Rear seat lower half, black, no rust on wire, good upholstery

R. Window Degogger & switch/button
Recliner Bucket Seat- any condition
Bucket seats with headrests- or just the headrests [Toronado is same headrest!]
    1967 Strato Buckets used METAL backs with side release button.

I am also looking for the ever-elusive carburetor, Qjet #
  70 28 254
would settle for a
  70 29 254
or maybe even a -253 if the price is right. Hell, any carb with a 7029- or older
number is a candidate anymore...

Thanks.
 --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:00:33 -0400
Subject: Tip o the day

Problem: you want to check valve-piston clearance, but the valve spring
overpowers the lifter plunger spring & oil if there is any, so the valve does
not lift as far as it should.

Solution: Clean a pair of old lifters. Dismantle them and clean them thoroghly,
like with kerosene, soapy water, glass cleaner. In that order. Reassemble,
using epoxy, Loctite, or Super Glue on the plunger. I.e., make a solid lifter.

Install said solid lifters, pushrods, and then turn the rocker pivot screwin
JUST enough to take out all the slack when the lifters are on the cam's base
circle. I.e., do not tighten the rocker arm pivot bolt all the way down to the
head.

Now, as you turn the engine, you can be assured that the valve moves as it will
during operation.

Crude, but effective! [hey, that'd be a good slogan for Rocket Science!]
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:15:26 -0400
Subject: Re: switch pitch TH400

Kenne bell is not the only source.  I believe either TA performance or
Poston enterprises (both Buick suppliers, will post which one when i check
the catalogs again) sells lots of switch pitch converters, including
"hopped up" units. The have a very interesting feature where they can get
the lower stall to go lower while raising the high stall. As a result they
have 1800/4500rpm units, and 1100/5000+ units, or something like that. 

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:22:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Dick Miller Racing Newsletter

The DRCE is an entirely different engine that's why.  It is basically a
really beefy Chevy (corporate, for all you Chevyphobes out there) spec
engine.  You can fit Chevy cranks in it and if I am not mistaken Chevy
heads.  You won't be needing Batten heads because for one they dont fit,
and then they DRCE comes with heads that are probably superior to Batten
heads. 

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: jsmith@radware.net (James Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:42:03 -0400
Subject: FW: New Virus!!!!

I know that this does not have anything to do with olds, but we all have =
computers also so I thought I would FW it to all. I received this from =
one of our users at radware.net





Please send to all Users

A new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet with the name =
PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new =
version of the PKZIP software used to ZIP (compress) files.  Do not =
download this file under any circumstances!  If you install or expand =
this file, the virus will wipe your hard disk and affect modems at 14.4 =
and higher.  This is an extremely destructive virus and there is not yet =
a way of cleaning up this one.

Repeat:  DO NOT DOWNLOAD any file with the name PKZIP300

Rob

------------------------------

From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:06:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary Meet

> 
> >I was curious to know how many of you are thinking or planning to attend 
> >the Olds 100th anniversary event in Lansing in 1997.
> I'll be there...in my 69 Cutlass...just say when and where.
> 
> 
Dave and I will be travelling from Vancouver B.C. in our '55 98 Holiday 2
dr. coupe along with 2 other B.C. Olds Club members -- one in a '67 Toro and
another in a '70 something Cutlass, and possibly a couple of others.  We'll
look forward to meeting some of you there.

- - Sherry
soballs@douglas.bc.ca 


- -- 

------------------------------

From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:20:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial Numbers

On Apr. 5 you wrote: 
> Anyone know what kind of information can be determined from the serial number on a car?  I've got the 1938 Old's and finding historical information has been tough.....S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
> 18619 - 68 Ave.		| 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
> Edmonton, AB  CANADA	| 1976 Camaro
> T5T 2M8			| <:)

I saw that someone suggested you contact GM in the states for this kind of
historical information.  Thhere north of the 49th, you're out of luck.  We
tried this same route for our '55 98 with a negative answer.  Hope you find
some way of getting the info you need.
_ Sherry
soballs@douglas.bc.ca
States, but if it was sold in not
 


- -- 

------------------------------

From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:14:34 -0400
Subject: Re: FW: New Virus!!!! 

At 18.42 04,05,96 -0400, you wrote:
>I know that this does not have anything to do with olds, but we all have
computers also so I thought I would FW it to all. I received this from one
of our users at radware.net
>
>
>
>
>
>Please send to all Users
>
>A new trojan horse virus has emerged on the internet with the name
PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a new
version of the PKZIP software used to ZIP (compress) files.  Do not download
this file under any circumstances!  If you install or expand this file, the
virus will wipe your hard disk and affect modems at 14.4 and higher.  This
is an extremely destructive virus and there is not yet a way of cleaning up
this one.
>
>Repeat:  DO NOT DOWNLOAD any file with the name PKZIP300
>
>Rob

well, this has been around for about a year and a half...it is a pain in the
ass to take care of...as of right now the latest version of PKzip is 2.04,
or 2.06 ibm internal version, there is a version 3.0 released ONLY to beta
testers that PKware likes, but it has a different file name...
               buddha
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   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

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From: Jason Labay <jlabay@Phoenix.kent.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:01:48 -0400
Subject: Re: How do you get rid of a bumper?

Andrew, you may try a scrap iron place. Some junkyards may take it, but I 
know we don't. Most do not or make you pay. Or you could drive by a 
junkyard late at night and drop it off on the front door:) :)

Jason Labay                                            jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
Akron, Ohio                                                                   
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 H/OCA#0278A                                              
1988 Camaro Z/28 CFI 305                                                      

On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Andrew C. Green wrote:

> Last night it finally happened; I got The Call. It was from Dad, who
> wanted to know when I planned to get rid of a rusty front bumper assembly
> from an old '76 Cutlass that's been sitting in their garage (not the
> car, just the bumper) for years. It got there when I put a nice new one
> on the car one day and shoved the old one to the back. We'll pause for a 
> moment here while you think about how big and heavy a '76 Cutlass bumper is.
> 
> *  *  *
> 
> Okay, how do I get rid of it? The local garbage pickup won't touch it,
> I can't transport it anywhere without borrowing a pickup, and simply
> leaving it outside in the hopes that the Bumper Fairy will come by and
> leave me a quarter for it is pretty pointless; it's so rusty that I doubt
> any scavenger would want it. If I do haul it off myself, would junkyards
> charge to take it? How do body shops get rid of this stuff?
> 
> Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
> Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:14:13 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do with my 85 Cutlass?? 

Dan, I own a 79 Cutlass and an 86 442.  I have gone over my 79 from top to
bottom and I think I can help you out.  If you are interested in seeing my
cars, they are on Bryce's web page, www.442.com.

As for your engine, the 307 is a died hard motor, but not one that has
excessive potential like a 350/403/455.  350's are relatively easy to find,
and they can be built to produce the power your looking for.  You could also
go with a 403 (like I did), but most of them do not have solid webs like your
307.  As for the 455, that is also a good choice, but keep in mind that the
only headers available for a BB Olds in a G body chassis have one pipe that
goes over the frame (which slightly limits your turning radius).  As for fuel
economy, any one of these 3 engines will give you horrible mileage if you
foot is always in the pedal.  But if you drive them sensible, 15-18 mpg is
capable.  Remember this also depends on your gears, etc....

On to the tranny:  You can use either a 700-R4 or a 200-R4.  Both of these
can be built to handle the power you are looking for.  Most people seem to
think that the 200-4R is weaker, but remember that all late model GN's and
T-Type's used this tranny so it definetly has the potential.  If you want
more info, check out the March 95 issue of Hot Rod which has a comparision
article.  I can also go a little more in depth on this topic if you like....
  (I am having a 200-4R built for my 79...)

As for the rear, you currently have a 7.5" 10 bolt which is relatively weak
unless you build it right.  I am confident that if you use quality gears and
posi unit (like Auburn, etc), your rear will hold up (unless you really beat
it...)  On the other hand, you can get a 8.5" 10 bolt from a 84 and up GN,
T-Type, or 442.  The only problem is that they are hard to find, and
expensive.  You could also get a rear from a Monte SS, but is only a 7.5".
 One thing to keep in mind is that GN/T-Types had 3.42's, 442's had 3.73's,
and the Monte SS's had 3.73's.  Usually these cars came with posi's, but on
some models it was an option....

As for the lighting rods, you can still buy them from Hurst, although if I
remember correctly, they are a little pricey.  Anyway, the odds of finding a
wrecked 83/84 Hurst are slim to none.  I am pretty sure that they make a
model for the 4 speed automatics too.

As for the suspension, you can easily upgrade your Cutlass to handle like the
Monte SS.  Remember they are both G-bodies and are identical underneath.  So
any late model Monte SS, Olds 442, Cutlass with HD suspension, Buick
GN/T-Type, will have the parts you need.  To begin, if you say your car has a
plushy ride, chances are you only have a 7/8" stock front sway bar, and no
rear sway bar.  The cars mentiond above have 1 1/4" fronts, and 1" backs,
which make a world of difference themselves.  As for shocks, I recommend
KYB's in all four corners which really tighten up the ride of the car.   If
you replace the springs, PST sells some performance ones that will work well
with the KYB's.  And don't worry about the weight of the 455.  I am pretty
sure that if you replace the front springs with the ones mentioned above or a
similiar type, you shouldn't have a problem.  On a side note, I replaced the
stock fronts in my car with V6 springs in an effort to slightly lower the
front.  Much to my dismay, the car sat higher with V6 springs and a 403 than
with the stock springs from a 260 Olds.    


I hope this info helped you out.  Please feel to drop me a line if you have
any more questions.   Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com  

------------------------------

From: Roger Heath <RHEATH@worldbank.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:05:04 -0400
Subject: Re: EMail Quirk

          >Hmmm... why hasnt anyone mentioned this to me before? I checked 
          >my settings in Eudora and "Word Wrap" was off. I will turn it on 
          >and re-send the HEI mail. Let me know if it looks better. 
          >Thanks. :-)
          
          
           >EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
          '65 442
          '66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
          >bryceman@442.com
           
          
          Fantastic!
          
          Roger Heath 71 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

------------------------------

From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:29:08 -0400
Subject: Toro's Engine Color

Saw your post on the list.  The '66 and '67 Toro 425's definitely were Slate
Blue.  The block, air cleaner, valve covers, associated brackets, intake,
etc. were all done in that color.  I just re-did mine when I changed-out the
intake gaskets, and the color really looks cool.  I used some stuff in a can
that I got from Oldsmobile USA. It's their part # SP101G, "66-69 Toronado -
Slate Blue - Spray Can" for $7.95.  With the mileage I got out of this can,
I would think two cans would be all you need.  They can be reached at:

        (703) 335-1935
        8505L Euclid Ave
        Manassas, VA  22111

If you're familiar with Fusick's, they also sell it but they're a bit more
pricey.  This stuff worked good, I think you'll like it!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

------------------------------

From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:40:53 -0400
Subject: Re: finally (2-bbl intakes for sale) 

In a message dated 96-04-05 15:31:31 EST, you write:

>hey i'm interested for those parts for $20.  where do i send the 
>check???  
>
>olds 455 intake and 2barrel carb????

Just e-mail me personally at Bob0Barry@AOL.Com, and we can set up the terms.

It is the stock unit from a 1970 455, 320hp, as installed in my Cutlass
Supreme SX (although the motor was also available in the big cars in this
form as well). It has been sitting in my basement since converting to a stock
1970 4-bbl intake in 1983. The intake has all the fittings, the seals on the
carb have dried out so it will need a rebuild kit, but the air cleaner is all
there. $20 + shipping from Yonkers NY.

If anyone else is interested, I've also got the stock 2-bbl intake, carb and
air cleaner from a '72 Cutlass 160hp 350 engine, with all the fittings,
 (same shape as the 455 intake) for $18 + shipping.

------------------------------

From: Cary Yamamoto <yamamoto@unr.edu>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:19:23 -0400
Subject: '67 Olds Cutlass Convert

Ok Old fans,


I found a '67 Olds Cutlass Convertible for sale.  Factory A/c, fully loaded, 
Jetfire 
engine. Low miles.  $11,900.  What is special about this car, and is it 
worth this price?



Cary Yamamoto                                 University of NV, Reno
Coordinator,                                  Prospective Students/110
Prospective Students                          Reno, NV  89557
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From: BYLN96A@prodigy.com ( GLENN CONNORS)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:19:09 -0400
Subject: Air Cleaner Wanted 

    Need an air cleaner for a '69 4-4-2.  Just about got the motor 
done and forgot about it.  Double snorkle would be nice but not 
necessary.
    BTW got a '70 350ci. 2bbl if anyones looking for such beast.  Was 
a good runner until I pulled it out to put the 455ci. in that I've 
just about got built.  Jeez,  I can't wait.

    Oh yeah....in western ny.


Glenn
'69 4-4-2   (a black plain jane) 

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From: Willie <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:52:20 -0400
Subject: Someone please help me!!!!

Today I just blew up my radiator! I need a replacement as fast as possible. It's a '57 Super 88. If anyone has one or knows 
how to get one could you please help me out? I just got finished converting my generator to an alternator and I drove the car 
for about 3-4miles and the radiator just blew up!!!! I need to get back out on the road soon! Please help me!! 

Thanks,

Willie!

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From: Jeff Hunter <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:27:54 -0400
Subject: 403 c.i. Engine 

Kind of a strange question here, but what cars did the 403 c.i. engine come
in, and through what years and where does it derive from?. I had never heard
of this engine until I subscribed to this list....

I must have missed the seventies.

Thanks,
Jeff Hunter
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:04:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine 

At 23.27 04,05,96 -0400, you wrote:
>Kind of a strange question here, but what cars did the 403 c.i. engine come
>in, and through what years and where does it derive from?. I had never heard
>of this engine until I subscribed to this list....
>
>I must have missed the seventies.
>
>Thanks,
>Jeff Hunter
>jchunter@xcelco.on.ca
>

you missed out...i'm 20 and i've heard of the 403...but thats about it
                    Buddha
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: How do you get rid of a bumper?

>Okay, how do I get rid of it?


Check out your yellow pages for Iron scrap. I am sure you have someone 
local to take it. My source pays me by the pound for scrap...


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup, soon to be "Bravadaized".
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:05:40 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for...

>well, i dont know any of the part numbers...as they will be different for
>your new body style...what you will need for the basic appearance is the
>grill, the centre olds emblem, and the nameplate that bolts onto the grill,
>you can also get a set of door nameplates...the year of parts you will need
>will be 96 bravada parts, and if your local OLDSMOBILE dealer is a cool guy
>(like mine) he will love it that you are making an olds truck...my local
>olds dealer has an olds truck they made after the owners wife backed her new
>bravada into a telephone pole and totaled it...and good luck if you can even
>look at a real 96 bravada...GM is being slow on releasing it
>                    Buddha



You are absolutely right, I just realized your truck was a 1991, was 
it?... I will post part numbers for the body style change in 1994. As 
far as 1996 Bravada's go, I have already seen a couple, probably GM 
Engineering or Purchasing pool vehicles but haven't checked the 
showrooms...


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Michael R. Hall                            Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Owner: 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
Owner: 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
Owner: 1994 GMC Sonoma Club Coupe SLS Pickup, soon to be "Bravadaized".
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:27:23 -0400
Subject: Re: How do you get rid of a bumper? 

In a message dated 96-04-05 10:26:15 EST, you write:

> How do body shops get rid of this stuff?

When I worked for an Olds dealer, our bodyshop had a scrap metal guy would
come haul all that junk away, no charge.  I never had a problem getting rid
of large objects like that until I quit:(  The last bumper I had to get rid
of I (oops, my Dad) took to the local scrap metal yard.  I don't know if he
paid them, or they paid him, but they took.  He just threw it in the trunk
and left it hang out the back.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:16:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine 

In a message dated 96-04-05 23:11:58 EST, you write:

>>Kind of a strange question here, but what cars did the 403 c.i. engine come
>>in, and through what years and where does it derive from?.

Olds brought out the 403 (6.6 litre) for 1977 as a replacement for the
heavier 455.  It was used in Ninety Eights & Custom Cruisers from '77 thru
'79, Toronados and Delta 88s  for '77 & '78 and in Cutlasses for '77 only.

Olds also left Buick use this engine in their Electras, LeSabres, Rivieras
and the '77 Regals and Centurys.

It looks like Non-California Pontiacs (Grand Prixs, Firebirds, Bonnevilles,
Catalinas and Safaris) of this era used a Pontiac 400 6.6 litre, while
California Pontiacs used a 403 6.6 litre (probably the Olds engine).  But it
looks like the '77 LeMans used the 400 in all 50 states.  Go figure.

Cadillac had its own exclusive 425.  And Chevrolet?  Well, the largest motor
they had, even in the Corvette was a 350.

Paul

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From: Mark Wolfe <markw@wwa.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:33:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Switch pitch TH400 (Again)

>           I had the tranny in a 71 Cutlass behind a dual-quad
>           nitroused 455 that ran a best of 11.95 @ 115.5 mph.  The
>           switch pitch made a big difference in the launch of the car.
>            Low stall was about 1500 rpm, high stall about 2800.
> 

I've got one in mine, big difference when slicked up, useless with street 
tires.   :)    With the switch pitch, and slicks, car dropped from 2.1 60 
footers to the 1.6-1.7 range, neat thing is you turn it off once your rolling 
to get less slip.     Had it behind a nitroused 455 in my 68 olds since late 
88 early 89.   No problems yet.   Low stall is around 15-1800, and high stall 
is around 2800-3000.    
Cul,
Mark

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 05:36:33 -0400
Subject: 1966 & 1967 Toronados 

Hello fellow enthusiasts!

This, being a letter of introduction, I must thank Gregg Ludlam for my being
here!

We have had a small circle of Toro nuts sharing info on AOL and Prodigy for
about year now. I have been on this address for one night and I already love
it. This has a great potential for us Toronado addicts to share and spread
information to one another. I am also a member of the OCA , Toronado Chapter,
and the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. 

Although I am partial to Toronados (all years, but especially 66 & 67's), I
share a love in general for all Oldsmobiles. My Dad will soon have his '34
Olds back on the road as well as his 67 Toro with an original 17.5 K on the
clock. As for me, I'm in the final stages of  rebuilding my 1966 California
Toro with 62K. It still needs work, but as she stands, I'm still proud of
her.

I have been driving/collecting Toros since high school (1973). I have amassed
 what amounts to a 3 car garage full of parts for these cars. While in
college, I used to skip school and haunt the bone yards for those precious
Toronado parts.  Even as I speak, I am beginning to part out yet another 1967
Toro Deluxe. 

I do not do this for a living, or for money..... I'm just a regular fella who
loves the car and will help anyone with similar interests. I don't profess to
know it all, but I will say that I do know those who know those who do!  I
can honestly say I can start right at the beginning with Bobby Unser, who won
the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in a '66 Toro. Many stories there. He also did all
the test driving during R & D..

These cars have great potential and in many repects are a paradigm of design
and durability.

Please feel free to correspond to me at Toronado66@aol.com if you want to
share stories, need parts, or advise on projects.

Greg Kalkhoff

PS. Thanks Gregg!  Hope this beats the bushes a bit!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:09:35 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine

I understand the 403 was also in Pontiac Trans-Ams of the late 70's. And 
apparently Olds sold it for some marine or industrial applications as 
well (hence the elusive marine cam I was looking for last week). Seems 
kind of unusual that they would develop this engine and then only use it 
for 3 years of production.

BTW, it was interesting when I called the Olds dealer here last week 
looking for that 403 cam:

"Got a big-block, do ya?" the parts guy asked. 
"No, a small-block. A 350." 
"Well, this cam won't fit," he said. 
"No, the 403 is a small-block, so it should."
"No way. It's a big-block."
"It gets confusing, but I'm told that it's a small-block."
"I don't think so. This cam won't fit a 350."
"Trust me, it will... do you have it?"
"Nope. Discontinued."

Shades of the Monty Python "Cheeseshop" sketch...   :) 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:18:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Someone please help me!!!!

On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Willie wrote:
> Today I just blew up my radiator! I need a replacement as fast as
> possible. It's a '57 Super 88. If anyone has one or knows how to get one
> could you please help me out? I just got finished converting my generator
> to an alternator and I drove the car for about 3-4miles and the radiator
> just blew up!!!! I need to get back out on the road soon! Please help me!! 

Must have been because of that alternating current...  :)

You might be better off getting the existing one recored. I understand
that rad shops have bulk core material that they can custom-cut and
resolder into your existing tanks and presto, new radiator. A '57 rad
might be pretty hard to come by, especially in Hawaii. 

On this subject, do the salvage yards everywhere else pull radiators out 
first thing, or just here? Every older car I've ever seen in every salvage 
yard around here has *no* radiator. Apparently they sell them for the 
copper and brass, which means that your chances of finding a used one are 
virtually zero.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:52:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 403 c.i. Engine 

In a message dated 96-04-06 07:13:38 EST, you write:

>I understand the 403 was also in Pontiac Trans-Ams of the late 70's. And 
>apparently Olds sold it for some marine or industrial applications as 
>well (hence the elusive marine cam I was looking for last week). Seems 
>kind of unusual that they would develop this engine and then only use it 
>for 3 years of production.

Yeah, especially since there are so many differences from the standard 350
design (1/2" head bolts, 2.00" intake valves, diff. rods and crank, etc). I
guess there was just no need for a big-cube, big torque engine in the '80s.

In those three years, though, they did make a billion of them.

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:52:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 1966 & 1967 Toronados 

In a message dated 96-04-06 05:18:24 EST, you write:

>Hello fellow enthusiasts!
>
>This, being a letter of introduction, I must thank Gregg Ludlam for my being
>here!
>
>We have had a small circle of Toro nuts sharing info on AOL and Prodigy for
>about year now. I have been on this address for one night and I already love
>it. This has a great potential for us Toronado addicts to share and spread
>information to one another. I am also a member of the OCA , Toronado
Chapter,
>and the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. 

Oh, no, not another one... ;)

>Although I am partial to Toronados (all years, but especially 66 & 67's), I
>share a love in general for all Oldsmobiles. My Dad will soon have his '34
>Olds back on the road as well as his 67 Toro with an original 17.5 K on the
>clock. As for me, I'm in the final stages of  rebuilding my 1966 California
>Toro with 62K. It still needs work, but as she stands, I'm still proud of
>her.

17.5k? Wow! I love the '67 lines best (cleanest, I think). And is that '34
still Olds powered? They'll hang you here if it isn't...<-g->

>I have been driving/collecting Toros since high school (1973). I have
amassed
> what amounts to a 3 car garage full of parts for these cars. While in
>college, I used to skip school and haunt the bone yards for those precious
>Toronado parts.  Even as I speak, I am beginning to part out yet another
1967
>Toro Deluxe.

I may need a speedo for a '69, so I may be in touch soon. 

>Please feel free to correspond to me at Toronado66@aol.com if you want to
>share stories, need parts, or advise on projects.
>
>Greg Kalkhoff

Welcome to the list, Greg; you'll often be confused with the *other* Toronado
owners here named Greg (what, twenty or so at last count?). Any derogatory
remarks about Toros from 98 or Cutlass owners are purely in jest; we're only
serious when we put down Ch*vies and such.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:05:21 -0400
Subject: Re: 1966 & 1967 Toronados

Toronado66@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow enthusiasts!
> 

Hey, Greg.  Glad to see you made it over to the other side.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:08:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 1966 & 1967 Toronados 

>This, being a letter of introduction, I must thank Gregg Ludlam for my being
>here!

>Greg Kalkhoff
>
>PS. Thanks Gregg!  Hope this beats the bushes a bit!

Geez, Greg (blush, snort, humble-humble...  :)  ) - you're gonna give me a
big head!

As one who's received quite a bit of advice and help from Greg, I can
personally vouch for his expertise and source of info on those unique beasts
we call Toros.  I think you'll all welcome his input here!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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