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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, 27 February 1996     Volume 01 : Number 103


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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 02:02:55 -0400
Subject: Re: TH700-R4 4-speed automatic

I saw the same article about the extension housing...but how do we
change the chevy pattern bellhousing to fit our B-O-P pattern?

Dan Dale
'72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Hearse (not Hurst)
'66 GTO

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From: Scott Nolan <snolan@chat.carleton.ca>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:36:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 85 Toronado Wimpy performance

Hey there gary! Sounds like you may have a plugged converter perhaps. Try
running catylic converter cleaner which you can get at Canadian Tire for
about 6 bucks. I know i ran some through my Escort and it was much more
resonsive (well as responsive as Escorts can be!) :) later!


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Scott Nolan           Carleton University
`Please God, give a bald guy a break, amen' -Homer (as in Simpson!)
Email address: snolan@chat.carleton.ca
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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:33:45 -0400
Subject: Swap meet finds

Well, went to the first big swap meet of the year around here (Dallas) this
past weekend and actually found some Olds parts! Picked up a 69 remote mirror
for $15 in very good condition. Also finally found me a shop manual (69) that
I got for $45. If the previous owner would have washed his hands just one more
time before picking it up, it wouldn't have a smudge on it! Enough sensless
chatter, I now have another of my patented stupid questions. This has been
nagging the back of my mind ever since I rebuilt my 69 400. As this was the
first engine I had ever had apart, I was very suprised when I went to install
the head gaskets. The block has lots of open areas into the water jacket
(around the pistons, etc...) and so do the heads. But when I positioned the
head gaskets on the block, they pretty much blocked all of them off, leaving
just small openings (a few). This concerned me enough that I called the
machine shop back and double-checked the gasket numbers which were correct. Is
this to be expected in you guy's experience? It seems that it would greatly
restrict coolant flow in both the heads and the block. Haven't had any cooling
problems since putting it back on the road but I haven't drove it much. Any
responses would be appreciated.


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         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442


   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: "G. Douglas Burton" <gdburton@venus.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:36:20 -0400
Subject: RE: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

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From: 	Bob0Barry@aol.com[SMTP:Bob0Barry@aol.com]
Sent: 	Monday, February 26, 1996 12:09 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

In a message dated 96-02-24 18:37:27 EST, you write:

>On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
>> There is a difference between the value of the car and the price you =
can
>get
>> someone to reasonably pay for it. For me, the prospect of driving a
perfect
>> condition older car like yours, which has no special options and is =
quite
>> ordinary, would be weighed against driving a nice condition car with =
more
>> options or a 2-door version, which would be weighed against driving a
>ratty,
>> but more desireable version of the same car (442, convertible). Of =
those
>> three options, driving a ratty 442 sound most appealing, and I =
suspect you
>> can get one of those for around $1500 or so. The second most =
appealing
>option
>> would be a nice condition but ordinary 2-dr, for which I'd pay maybe
$1000.
>> The least appealing is a perfect condition 4-dr; I wouldn't pay more =
than
>> $800 or so for the pleasure of driving the car, since the first two
options
>> are available.
>
>Bob, with all due respect, I think you're dreaming. You might be able =
to=20
>get condition #5 4-4-2s for your $1,500 but I'd doubt they'd be =
driveable=20
>for long. As for a "good condition" 2-dr for $1,000, all I can say is=20
>that your definition of good condition must be a lot different than =
mine.=20

You're probably right as far as my definition of "good condition" goes; =
I've
come to settle for "able to pass inspection with a couple square yards =
of
sheet aluminum and some pop rivets". Bad condition involves major =
crunched
panels, bent or rusted-through frame, missing glass, engine or vital
suspension components, etc.. If the floors are 95% there, the frame is =
solid,
the engine still runs, and some minor patching will get past inspection, =
then
I'd consider the purchase.

>Realistically, around here *nothing* in the classifieds sells for less=20
>than $1,000... I mean, not even winter beater '84 Chevettes. To expect =
to=20
>find a late 60s or early 70s Cutlass in what I'd consider good =
condition=20
>you'd be looking at many thousands more.=20

Well, just from the most recent Bargain News I have lying around (Nov. =
'95; I
can't stand window shopping when cars like this are out there), there =
are the
following cars, which I would consider as falling in the "interesting"
category (limited edition, convt):

* 68 Riviera GS, 445ci, air, auto, bench, $950

* 69 Riviera GS, needs minor work, spare car, asking $950

* 72 Eldorado Convertible, fair cond., runs exc. needs work $750obo

* 73 Delta 88 Convert, fair cond, $950

* 68 Grand Prix, 1 owner, green/black leather, 43,500 orig. mi, 400ci, =
needs
body work, $1500

* 65 Impala SS convert, for restoration, $700

And in the "nice" category (2dr, luxury models, etc.):

* 64 Thunderbird, 390ci, ps, pb, runs good, needs restoration, $475

* 72 Monte Carlo, 350, auto 2 new quarters, runs, $250

* 72 Cutlass Supreme, rblt trans, buckets, console, fact. duals, asking =
$950

* 69 Catalina 2-dr, 400 eng&trans, black int, needs exhst, 25,000 orig =
mi,
$1500

And in the ordinary but old category:

>>>>* 65 Buick Electra, 4dr, black leather interior, Wildcat 445 engine, =
orig.
owner, $400<<<<

* 67 Buick Electra 225 orig 4dr incredible 27,000 orig. mi, asking $995

* 65 Impala SS, solid body and frame, 93k mi, $1500 neg.

(I should note that these are the exceptions; there are people asking
absolutely ridculous prices for equivalent cars (70 Cutlass 350/2bbl =
$3500 |
68 Tempest GTO lookalike, 350, $5000neg.)

>And geez, you could part out a=20
>perfect condition 4-door for a lot more than $800. The car is worth a =
lot=20
>more than that because of the uniqueness alone. Someone out there would =

>pay a few thou for it, as you say later.

You're absolutely right. The above list is simply a number of cars that =
I
would like to drive as much as I would like to drive a showroom =
 considered a Cutlass, a Cutlass Supreme, or its own model line? Did
Olds offer the 400ci motor in anything other than the Cutlass line? I =
was
always under the impression the only reason for the 400 was to comply =
with
GM's 400ci limit in A-bodies rule.

Bob Barry
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX
Bob0Barry@AOL.Com

Hey, whoever put the ad with the 65 duece and a quarter, please let me =
know if that was a current ad and if so, details...  I'm very much =
interested in old Buicks.

gdburton@venus.net

Thanx
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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:02:32 -0400
Subject: RE: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

> Well, just from the most recent Bargain News I have lying around (Nov. '95;
I > can't stand window shopping when cars like this are out there), there are
the > following cars, which I would consider as falling in the "interesting" >
category (limited edition, convt): > > * 68 Riviera GS, 445ci, air, auto,
bench, $950 > > * 69 Riviera GS, needs minor work, spare car, asking $950 > >
* 72 Eldorado Convertible, fair cond., runs exc. needs work $750obo > > * 73
Delta 88 Convert, fair cond, $950 > > * 68 Grand Prix, 1 owner, green/black
leather, 43,500 orig. mi, 400ci, needs > body work, $1500 > > * 65 Impala SS
convert, for restoration, $700 > > And in the "nice" category (2dr, luxury
models, etc.): > > * 64 Thunderbird, 390ci, ps, pb, runs good, needs
restoration, $475 > > * 72 Monte Carlo, 350, auto 2 new quarters, runs, $250 >
 > * 72 Cutlass Supreme, rblt trans, buckets, console, fact. duals, asking
$950 > > * 69 Catalina 2-dr, 400 eng&trans, black int, needs exhst, 25,000
orig mi, > $1500 > > And in the ordinary but old category: > > >>>>* 65
Buick Electra, 4dr, black leather interior, Wildcat 445 engine, orig. > owner,
$400<<<< > > * 67 Buick Electra 225 orig 4dr incredible 27,000 orig. mi,
asking $995 > > * 65 Impala SS, solid body and frame, 93k mi, $1500 neg. > >
(I should note that these are the exceptions; there are people asking >
absolutely ridculous prices for equivalent cars (70 Cutlass 350/2bbl $3500 | >
68 Tempest GTO lookalike, 350, $5000neg.)


Where the heck are you located at that has that many cars for around a grand?
Around Dallas, if you can pull it with a tow chain its worth a thousand!


          ___              ___        _________
         /   |            /   |      /         \
        /    |           /    |     |   ___    |
       /     |          /     |     |__|   |   |
      /      |         /      |           /   /
     /       |        /       |          /   /
    /   /|   |       /   /|   |         /   /
   /   /_|   |__    /   /_|   |__      /   /
  |             |  |             |    /   /
  |______     __|  |______     __|   /   /_____
         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442


   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:13:48 -0400
Subject: '61 - '64 Olds Classified Ads

The following were spotted in the Chicago Sun-Times classifieds last
Saturday, Feb. 24th. Someone seems to be cleaning out their garage;
both ads carry the same phone number. I know nothing else about these
ads; I'm forwarding them strictly F.Y.I.

Under ANTIQUE CARS:

    OLDS '64 -- Dynamic 88 Convert.
    394 cubic eng..[sic] Daily driver.
    $3,400. Call (312) 267-1450

Under AUTO PARTS AND ACCESSORIES:

             OLDS '61-'64
    394 eng. & drive train parts,
    heads, etc. $250. (312) 267-1450

Okay, surprise me -- let's see if it turns out to be someone on
this list!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:30:48 -0400
Subject: Re: (no subject)

>>Any one have a dark blue, good looking dash pad (or what ever you call
>>'em) that you would like to part with?
>
>And while you're reading that Hemmings, look for an ad from a company called
>"Just Dashes".  They'll redo your original in any color you wish...

That sounds familiar; I _think_ that was the outfit that redid the dash
pad on the Cars & Parts '64 Corvette restoration. Full photo article on
the process; it was impressive. They use the old core as a pattern and
vacuum-form the new material over it.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:50:12 -0400
Subject: Re:

>     >     >And how can you make an object go forward when you animate it
>     around >     >a path. Like instead of it going arould and not
>     turning...
>     >
>     >     You're going to have to move ahead in frames and actually rotate
>     the >     object to fit the path  at each curve...

Why don't you just tell the judge that you didn't see the stop sign?  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:05:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Swap meet finds

          A quick reply on the question of holes in the block and
          heads into the water jacket.  These serve two purposes.
          First, they provide the means for removal of the sand cores
          after the casting process.  Second, these openings reduce
          the amount of metal required in the block to reduce both
          cost and weight.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Swap meet finds Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at OSC-LINK Date:    2/26/96 9:47 AM


Well, went to the first big swap meet of the year around here (Dallas) this
past weekend and actually found some Olds parts! Picked up a 69 remote mirror
for $15 in very good condition. Also finally found me a shop manual (69) that
I got for $45. If the previous owner would have washed his hands just one
more time before picking it up, it wouldn't have a smudge on it! Enough
sensless chatter, I now have another of my patented stupid questions. This
has been nagging the back of my mind ever since I rebuilt my 69 400. As this
was the first engine I had ever had apart, I was very suprised when I went to
install the head gaskets. The block has lots of open areas into the water
jacket (around the pistons, etc...) and so do the heads. But when I
positioned the head gaskets on the block, they pretty much blocked all of
them off, leaving just small openings (a few). This concerned me enough that
I called the machine shop back and double-checked the gasket numbers which
were correct. Is this to be expected in you guy's experience? It seems that
it would greatly restrict coolant flow in both the heads and the block.
Haven't had any cooling problems since putting it back on the road but I
haven't drove it much. Any responses would be appreciated.


         ___              ___        _________
         /   |            /   |      /         \
        /    |           /    |     |   ___    |
       /     |          /     |     |__|   |   |
      /      |         /      |           /   /
     /       |        /       |          /   /
    /   /|   |       /   /|   |         /   /
   /   /_|   |__    /   /_|   |__      /   /
  |             |  |             |    /   /
  |______     __|  |______     __|   /   /_____
         |   |            |   |     |          |      Pat Clark
         |___|            |___|     |__________|       69 442


   "Just your average 300+hp garage hogging, gas sucking, money pit"


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:16:29 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Tranny swap?

     Is that the new Hot Rod with the "3000 HP, New Crate Engines!" on the
     cover?  If so, I'd like to mention to people here to save your money
     and not buy it.  There's a wonderful picture of an Aurora V8 on the
     cover, which is why I bought the magazine (wanted to read about it)
     and not ONE WORD about the Aurora V8 on the inside.  Just Chevy,
     Chevy, Chevy.  I think they even set a new record for themselves, I
     didn't see one non-chevy article in the whole mag.  At one point I had
     to double check the cover to make sure it wasn't Super Chevy. . .

     Tom.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: RE:Tranny swap? Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/26/96 8:24 AM

     BTW...picked up the Hot Rod? "engines annual edition" that has a
     pretty good overview of an 800$ performance 350 [Chevy;)]rebuild that
     ended up giving just over 300 HP when finished. I don't really know
     how  Olds and Chev 350's compare(parts compatibility) but it gives a
     pretty good idea of what kind of performance a guy can get with less
     than a grand.


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:16:32 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: TH700-R4 4-speed automatic

     I remember hearing rumors once about a "universal" flexplate that was
     used as a warranty replacement on a lot of GM cars.  It had both chevy
     and BOP patterns on it.  Would that work?  Sorry, I don't know
     anything more about it.

     Tom.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: TH700-R4 4-speed automatic
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/26/96 8:25 AM


I saw the same article about the extension housing...but how do we
change the chevy pattern bellhousing to fit our B-O-P pattern?

Dan Dale
'72 Cotner-Bevington Olds 98 Hearse (not Hurst)
'66 GTO


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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:53:39 -0400
Subject: Re: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

In a message dated 96-02-26 12:16:45 EST, you write:

>Where the heck are you located at that has that many cars for around a
grand?
>Around Dallas, if you can pull it with a tow chain its worth a thousand!

This is the stretch between NY City and Boston (Eastern NY, Connecticut,
Rhode Island, Southern Massachusetts). We don't have any crusher laws, which
tends to raise the minimum price of cars significantly. There are a lot of
cars in the <$1000 range, though most are not that interesting. The above are
the exceptions, and of course up here, for that price, you should expect
rust, but not an undriveable car.

As far as 442's falling into this category, they do, but not that often,
because there aren't that many around. I did see a '69 GTO a couple months
back for $1700, and was tempted, but I don't have any space.

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:29:31 -0400
Subject: dipsticks

After measuring a few dipsticks and guide tubes, I can offer the following
insight: -The guide tube enters the block at an angle wrt the block bottom
surface of about 53 degrees. -The guide tube boss is about 1" above
[vertically] the block bottom.  -For both Toronado and std. oil pans, the Full
mark is about 5.75-5.80" down the dipstick guide tube from the point where the
guide tube butts up agains the block, which is about 2.70" +/-.02" vertically
below the block bottom [surface where oil pan mounts]. -For the Toronado oil
pan, the Add mark is about 7.13" down the dipstick from the guide tube-block
interface, which is about 3.54" vertically below the block bottom. -For std.
pans, the Add mark is more like 6.61" from the guide tube shoulder, which is
about 3.23" below the top of the oil pan.
 Whew!

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:31:40 -0400
Subject: Wanted: xst manifold

Found somebody looking for a dual-exhaust manifold for a big car-

X-412287 LH is the casting number... Has a divider... used in 88/98's around
1970 or so... I have one, but it's pretty cracked & missing an ear.
Suboptimal. If anyone can help, please email me at the address listed below. -
-- Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:46:13 -0400
Subject: REOTMuseum

Went to the museum last Saturday... got a few more photos. Too bad they ground
all the casting ID's off most of the display engines- makes it hard to tell
what's what. There's a really nice looking 80's modified Cutlass called the
Darth Vader- photos to Bryce soon. One OHC 455 engine- a red one- actually
looks like it was based on the std. 455 block- the cam & such actually bolt to
the familiar 10-bolt rocker arm cover pattern...

Correction- the '68 H/O is not H/O #1; I did get its VIN & body tag info, it
is paint code Z-Z allright.

Photos in a display there show post coupe and Holiday Coupe 68's being
converted to H/O's at Demmer's shop. None has a RH mirror...

The little cheesy plastic cars are still there, "Cutlass" with H/O-ish hood
scoop and rear wing, and Achieva.  If any of y'all want me to mail you one,
send a donation for the museum. Colors: black or Gray, sometimes
Whitish-clear. Any donations beyond postage will go right to the museum.
Specify what you want.

And, Penny Rufkin asked me to relay the following items:
- -They sell Olds Ads' videos, 19.95 each or 49.95 for the set of 3.
- -They have SOME service manuals for sale- I saw a '75 manual for $25,
perfect condition, and a '76 and '76 Starfire supplement for a mre $5 each.
Call them for specifics, call on Tuesday. - -Pins for your hat, lapel, etc.
are $3 each - -T shirts are $10 each, Polo shirts $25 - -Posters, big oval
red/orange "442" sticker, etc., stuff that I wrote down but now can't find the
note for...

& lest you forget, you need to respond to me personally and not just the list
to discuss this stuff, on acct. of I am currently not subscribed to the list.
I just poke my head in & holler when I have earth-thawing news. :) L8R,

Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing, MI 48911
517-882-9747
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: <pmrobjr@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:09:50 -0400
Subject: Re:   66 Toronado questions

Okay, It was 79,000 miles on it. I looked at it as myself 20 feet away
from that car looks like neat car except thick dust on that car when I
walked close.  everything was on it like window power, I just send my
letter to that man who owns that car about my offer and I will see what
happening.. That car was belong to his mother and always in the garage
for many years until her death and it's still in the garage.  I think
that 3500 dollars is very reasonable..  I will let you know about
update..  Thanks.

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From: Steven L Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:34:54 -0400
Subject: RE:  Hot Rod, Aurora

Tom,

	The Aurora engine is supposed to be covered in next months issue.  Just
thought I'd let you know so you wouldn't miss it.

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From: "Shawn M. Twomey" <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:57:27 -0400
Subject: Heads and trannies

    >>Matched with the right set of pistons, is a 9.0 CR too much to shoot
     >>for?

     I've got a 66 cc (strip heads+pistons)combustion chamber which pushes
     me up to about 11.5 CR. I think standard is around 79cc which makes
     7.5/8 CR???  So you may just want to go with the stronger head and a
     good set of mildly beefed pistons. I'd think that would put you in the
     middle there. Don't forget to get some good head gaskets (felpro) if
     you up you CR using cheapo ones could be fatal.
      What year is your block?? I have heard the older ones (pre-71?) are
     more susceptible to higher CR's *anyone else*.

The 79cc heads are the smog heads from the seventies.  Does anyone know the
size of the cc for the earlier 350 heads ('71 and earlier)?  The guy who
works on my cars (other than my dad and I) has a wrecked W31 sitting in his
yard, engine still in it.  The car is in bad shape, and the front end is
gone, so I don't know if it's a 69 or 70 or what (I'm not familiar enough
with the old Cutlasses to tell otherwise), but I'm hoping its just the
thing.  I'm going to take a peek this weekend, now that I know how to ID the
heads (many thanks to the logged off Mr. Witt).

     Do you know how the 200-4R compares to the TH350 (got a little *&^$
     for talking bad about Olds equip)??

Besides the fourth gear?  Do Turbo 350s have a lockup torque converter?  The
200-4R I'm using does.  The TH350s are, on the whole, probably more capable
of withstanding punishment, as others have mentioned, but I can't give up
the OD on a daily driver with 3.73 rearend gears.

     Hope this helps.

Very much, thank you.

     Eric Buckner
     '64 F-85 deluxe
     Albany, OR

__________________________________________________________________________
Shawn M. Twomey     |  "No!  Try NOT!  Do, or do not.  There is no try."
stwom@ctp.com       |  -Yoda
__________________________________________________________________________

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From: <edison3@gato.cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re:   66 Toronado questions

Just for comparison, I paid $1500 for my 66 Toro
about 6 years ago in Harrisburg, PA.  It was in good
shape - an amature restore.

The 66 Toro and Mike

Michael R. Frederick, CEO
EDIson3, Inc.
Tampa, Forida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Caray95@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:53:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Do you subscribe to Cars & Parts?

Hey folks,

Its a great magazine.  The ads are fun, but the articles are pretty in-depth,
with a lot of details and backround information, and some decent photography.

I don't subscribe, but usually pick up a copy if they feature an Olds, or
other big GMmobile.

Hope this helps,

Ray Kelly,
Litchfield CT
78 Cutlass Supreme
75 ElDo
95 Buick

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From: lawrencr@gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:25:22 -0400
Subject: How much is my '68 Olds worth?

There is a book, which of course I have no idea what the name is,
that lists classic car values.  I have a copy of it.  Unfortunately,
it's 1200 miles away from me.  It give estimated values at each of
the 5 conditions.  It describes the "5 conditions" in the front.

It gives % multipliers for special options (e.g. W30).

>From my little experience, it seems reasonably accurate.  I would
recommend it as a good starting place.

I would take a ride down to one of the super bookstores (like Borders
or Barnes & Noble.  Ones which have the coffee shops inside them), and look
on the automotive shelves.  It's name is something like "Classic
Automobile Prices"... uh... maybe.  Then, you can look up your car
and leave, or buy the book, or wander over to the romance novels
section, and ask the girl who looks... uh... like she has the nicest
personality, if she knows which section would have a book on evaluating
investment quality diamonds.

On a side note, it's Indian summer here in Michigan.  I put my top down
for the first time this year, yesterday.  When I took it through the
McDonald's drive through, the valley girl type who takes the orders said,
"Oh my gawd!  Your car is soooo baaad!  It's really something special,
isn't it?"

Life is good.

-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Robert Lawrence   | These opinions are strictly my own, lawrencr@gdls.com
|       ____ (810) 825-8007    |   ___<____>======
                  |  <o_o_o_o_o_o>     Tanks, for your support!

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From: conrad <rad19@icon.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:53:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 66 Toronado questions

I might just be the biggest sentimental sucker for the 66 Toro out here in
Olds-land.


In '75, I traded a '67 camaro convertible even-up for a '66 Toronado.  The
camaro was a beater, the Toro wasn't.

I went into the Navy a year later and my dad sold my car for $100.00  He
thought he got a good price for it considering the Oil embargo at the time.

When I got out of the Navy in '80, I kept my eyes open for one and finally
found a good looking Toro in '81.  Six weeks later, it quit pumping oil.  I
took so much crap from the in-laws, parents, wife..etc about buying it
($1800.00) when I couldnt afford it... then, the "I told you so's,"  that I
decided I didnt care what it would cost...someday, I would restore it.

Well, I kept it in my garage for about 4 years.  I then decided to go back
into the Navy.  I had an old farmer put it inside a HUGE Amish barn...(it was
the only thing in there)... and I finally picked it up after 4 more years.  I
am stationed in Oklahoma (navy..go figure).. and hauled it from the barn in
Ohio here to Oklahoma 2 years ago.

It is still sitting in my garage now.  I plan to FINALLY restore it this
summer.

DON'T ask me what it's cost me... I really don't know.

Is it worth it??  ONLY to me.  With what I paid for it, the storage, the
hauling... its absolutely absurd to any RATIONAL onlooker!  However, when you
are 16 and have 385bhp under your foot... you've rolled the meatscale
speedometer over to zero (140+) on more than one occassion with witnesses
that would rather not talk about it!!,,  You kinda yearn for that sensation
again.  Maybe I'll drive to Montana someday just for the excitement of
unlimited speed limits.

Anyone considering a '66??  My advise is that if you have a passion for it,
and only if you do, then go for it.

There was a lot of history in that car and it's been all but forgotten.  It
was GM's answer to the French engineers who said that the Citroen was the
maximum that you could get out of a Front Wheel Drive vehicle.  I've owned
both and would take the Toro anyday..


Rad66

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:20:40 -0400
Subject: Wanted: 70 D88 Custom St Whl

Exhaust manifold man also wants:

Steering Wheel for:
dark green '70 D88 Custom coupe with T&T, with green pad.

Contact him at:
rbacon@why.net

Roger Bacon
703 E. Mitchell St.
Arlington, TX 76010
817-460-8300

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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