
oldsmobile-digest          Sunday, 14 April 1996       Volume 01 : Number 147


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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:15:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Confession 

>> Does anybody know of any Toronados we can part out?  :)
>
>Or perhaps I can suggest an alternative as a public service. I am
>fortunate to live in what I believe to be a "Toro-free zone", an area
>which is free of the dreaded Toro virus thanks to the otherwise-dreaded
>tinworm, a local species which is a natural enemy of this debilitating
>condition.   Should conditions in your locale become dire due to an
outbreak of >Toro-virus, I invite you to flee to beautiful, balmy Nova
Scotia for a suitable >rest-cure and recovery until the epidemic has passed. 
>
>:)
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Ok, let me get this straight...the Toro-Virus is a South-of-the-Boarder kind
of thing? Dave Voorhis, are you in agreement with this?!   :)


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 10:18:20 -0300
Subject: Chrome Alternators 

>At two recent car shows here in FL chrome versions of the street rod
>alternator (which are the same size as that of '60-80's auto alternators)
>were going for ~$80 for ~100 amp. That's for a brand new full chrome
>alternator.  I've also seen them advertised in the usual magazines like Hot
>Rod, Camaro Craft, Pop Hot Rodding, etc.

Hey Bob,

What do you know about chrome-cased GM alternators.  I've heard (and posted
some months ago) that the chrome case doesn't dissipate heat very well,
leading to potential early failure.  Sure would like one to dress-up the
Toro's engine bay, but this thing's an amperage-hog to begin with, so I
don't need any other problems!


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 11:47:23 -0300
Subject: Historical Info 

        I was talking with a friend of mine last week and he told me of an
interesting toll free number you can call at General Motors.  If you give
them the serial number of your car they will research their records and
supply you with a restoration guide and a certificate that describes as as
much iformation as they have available.  Like, where it was built, the
dealer it was delivered to, all the option details including paint and
dozens of other tidbits.

        The number to call in CANADA is 1-800-263-3777.  The price is either
$42.50 or $26.75 (cdn) depending on the year of vehicle.  You can expect
delivery of the package in about six weeks.

        By the way, how many Canadians are out there?

__________________________________________________________
S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
18619 - 68 Ave.		| 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
Edmonton, AB  CANADA	| 1976 Camaro
T5T 2M8			| <:)
__________________________________________________________

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:49:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Confession

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Greg:
> 
> Thanks for the invite to Nova Scotia ... made it to Halifax and 
> visited the museums including the one on the big explosion back 
> at the turn of the century.

Must have been a Quadrajet.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:40:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Downtime

Buddha & Eudora:
  Dink & PMail :

Thanks BUT ... 

I got them both and have had some problems with them both.  The problem 
with shareware is getting support.  The only answers I ever got on either 
of them was "Well, reinstall the software".  Kind of like replacing the 
motor cause it has a miss.

I called Netscape; the guy was extremely helpfull.  He checked with his 
supervisor, gave me a solution, and I had it back up and running.  I 
don't expect these things to run forever without a problem, I do expect 
help from somewhere.  Yeh, I know.  FAQs.  So where was the FAQ on the 
Eudora 10038 error message?

So thanks for the advice and I agree, some of the others have some nice 
features.  I just rather have a warrenty and talk to the dealer.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:47:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Confession

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> ... to flee to beautiful, balmy Nova Scotia for a suitable 
> rest-cure and recovery until the epidemic has passed.

Let me see.  Leave Florida and go to Canada to escape the Toro-virus?

Isn't that a case of the cure being worse than the disease?    ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: SG Hartfelder <stanh@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:00:48 -0300
Subject: Re: My home page 

Whwn I go to:  http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g021/roger035 Netscape just sits
there and hangs.  Something's definitely wrong.


>>>On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Charles A Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>>> everyone should check out my page.  its at
>>>> http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g021/roger035/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>--
>Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
18619 - 68 Ave.		| 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
Edmonton, AB  CANADA	| 1976 Camaro
T5T 2M8			| <:)
__________________________________________________________

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 02:35:49 -0300
Subject: Conv For Sale!

FROM THE EDISON3 NEWSROOM IN TAMPA:
(SLIGHTLY BALMIER THAN NOVA SCOTIA)

       OLDS 1967 Cutlass Convertable.  Light 
            yellow body & interior. Black 
            top. Exceptionally clean.  
            $6900. (941) 377-2214

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:02:42 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 W32 

>In a message dated 96-04-09 20:43:44 EDT, you write:
>
>>So what are the differences
>>between these two motors? And was the W-32 only available on the SX, or on
>>other Cutlass Supremes, or on Cutlass "S"'s as well? Was the SX option
>>available on the 4-door Cutlass Supreme? Any W-32 powered 4-doors would
>>certainly be rare... (not that I'd want one...)
>
>Unfortunately, the features book or the memo don't go into any detail with
>the W32 motor.  According to the memo (see chart below) W32 was available
>w/SX only.  SX was available on Coupe & Convert only, not Holiday sedan (but
>wouldn't that be something...)
>
>Engine codes:
>L33 - 320hp 455 2bbl available on Cutlass Supreme, Cutlass S & Cutlass and
>         included as part of the Y79 SX Performance Package (cancelled)
>L65 - 250hp 350 2bbl standard on Cutlass, Cutlass S & F85, available on
>Cutlass
>        Supreme
>L74 - 310hp 350 4bbl standard on Cutlass Supreme, available on Cutlass S,
>        Cutlass & F-85
>L31 - 365hp 455 4bbl standard on 98 (replacement for L33 on SX)
>W31 - 325hp 350 4bbl Force-Air available on Cutlass S & F85
>W32 - ?? Is this the 365hp 455 4bbl 442 motor?  This motor is standard and
>          doesn't have an option code in the book 
>My '70 service manual lists the engine only for coupes/conv. and it is the same as the base 442 engine.
>This chart is taken directly from the 2-24-70 memo.  "X" stands for optional
>equipment.
>
>Body Style                                                     Optional
>Engines
>   code         Description                     L33       L65    L74    L31
>   W31    W32
>
>3635     Cutlass Station Wagon     Cancelled    Std.     X      NA      NA
>     NA
>3639     Cutlass Holiday Sedan            "          Std.     X      NA
>     NA      NA
>3669     Cutlass Town Sedan               "           Std.     X      NA
>     NA      NA
>3677     Cutlass S Sports Coupe          "          Std.     X      NA
>      X        NA
>3687     Cutlass S Holiday Coupe         "          Std.     X      NA
>      X        NA
>4239     Cutlass Supreme Holiday
>            Sedan                                   "             X      Std
>   NA       NA      NA
>4257     Cutlass Supreme Holiday
>            Coupe                                   "             X      Std.
> With      NA     With
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                                          Y79
>               Y79
>4267     Cutlass Supreme
>            Convertible                            "             X       Std.
>  With       NA       With
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                                                                          Y79
>                   Y79
>
>Does this clear things up for you?
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:02:58 -0300
Subject: Re: 1969 442 Parts 

>Hey this email for oldsmobiles is great. Good Idea. I am glad I found it.
>
>I'm looking for parts
>
>1. set of 4 wheel trim rings
>2. Wood grain dash inlay
>3. Misc body parts, fenders,quarters
>I have a nice '69 left qtr panel w/wheel housing from Virginia. $300.00
(804) 474-0869 Jim Chermack


>I would apriciate any info you have.
>
>Anyone have any prefered methods to putting power to the
>ground. 
>
>Any prefered 455 cam\head\intake\carb cominations that work.  I'm
>looking for a weekend crusier.
>
>I have a 69 442 with a 455 .030 over, B heads, unknown cam, 4 speed,
>and 4.11 in the rear. I t does good now, but I think it could be better. 
>
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:03:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Confession 

>>> Does anybody know of any Toronados we can part out?  :)
>>I have a '68 Deluxe that I'm parting out. (804)474-0869, Jim Chermack
>>Or perhaps I can suggest an alternative as a public service. I am
>>fortunate to live in what I believe to be a "Toro-free zone", an area
>>which is free of the dreaded Toro virus thanks to the otherwise-dreaded
>>tinworm, a local species which is a natural enemy of this debilitating
>>condition.   Should conditions in your locale become dire due to an
>outbreak of >Toro-virus, I invite you to flee to beautiful, balmy Nova
>Scotia for a suitable >rest-cure and recovery until the epidemic has passed. 
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>Ok, let me get this straight...the Toro-Virus is a South-of-the-Boarder kind
>of thing? Dave Voorhis, are you in agreement with this?!   :)
>
>
>-Gregg, the '67 Toro guy
>
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:02:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 1969 442 Parts 

>Hey this email for oldsmobiles is great. Good Idea. I am glad I found it.
>
>I'm looking for parts
>
>1. set of 4 wheel trim rings
>2. Wood grain dash inlay
>3. Misc body parts, fenders,quarters
  I have a nice '69 left qtr/with wheel house. $300.00



>I would apriciate any info you have.
>I have a really clean '69 left qtr/with wheel house. $300.00
>Anyone have any prefered methods to putting power to the
>ground. 
>
>Any prefered 455 cam\head\intake\carb cominations that work.  I'm
>looking for a weekend crusier.
>
>I have a 69 442 with a 455 .030 over, B heads, unknown cam, 4 speed,
>and 4.11 in the rear. I t does good now, but I think it could be better. 
>
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: jblair@nhr.com (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:02:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 W32 

>In a message dated 96-04-08 23:03:17 EDT, you write:
>
>>
>>In 1970, the W-32 referred to the 365hp engine in the Cutlass Supreme SX,
>>which is different from the previous years, when it was an option on the
>442.
>>I am not quite sure how it worked out, order-wise, since a contemporary
>>article refers to the "early" version of the SX having the 320hp 2-bbl 455
>>(which my '70 SX came with), which was later "updated" to the 365hp 4-bbl
>>455.
I have a '70 W-32 car. The only way I know how to document it as such is the OG code TH400 transmission and the carb, dist. numbers. This car was built on the 9th of October 1969.

>>
>>So, I don't know if the 320hp motor was standard throughout the run of the
>>SX, with the W-32 as an option, or if the 320hp motor was only installed in
>>early cars, and *replaced* entirely with the 365hp W-32 motor.
>>
>>Apparently, there were no W-32 emblems or such to identify the 365hp motor
>>(which was identical to the stock 442 'plant, but only called W-32 when
>>installed in the Cutlass Supreme notchback body style).
>>
>>All the articles I have seen written on the C.S. SX have been too brief and
>>general to be of much use. Anyone know of a good article or chapter that
>>gives the definitive information on the SX option?
>>
>>
>
>I don't know if this is what you want to know or not.  All info is taken from
>the '70 Product Selling Features Album.  The SX (referred to under the
>W-Machine tab as the SX Conversion) was the Y79  SX Performance Package and
>included:
>
>442 Rear Bumper w/cut-outs
>Special Front Fender Emblems
>Chrome Wheel Discs (P01)
>320hp Rocket 455 H.C. Engine (L33) (no comment made about carb.)
>Turbo Hydra-matic 400 Transmission (M40)
>Full Dual Exhaust System includes straight-through muffler, resonators,
>tailpipes.
>
>>From the "New Features" column: "A new 320hp Rocket 455 V-8 (L33), with
>2-barrel carburetor and dual exhausts, is available for Cutlass, Cutlass S,
>Cutlass Supreme Holiday Sedan, and for Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe and
>Convertible as part of a new SX Performance Package (Y79).
>
>On 2-24-70, Oldsmobile New Car Merchandising issued memo #N/C 70-3,
>Cancellation of L33 engine option.  This engine was cancelled for the balance
>of the 1970 model year.
>
>"The L31 engine, 365hp, 4bbl., 455 V-8 H.C., will now be included (as
>replacement for the L33 engine) in Option Y79, the SX Performance Package for
>models 4257 and 4267 only."  (L31 was the standard engine for the 98)
>
>"The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price for L31 with SX Performance
>Package (Option Y79) is $141.13."
>
>The chart on this memo also shows engine option W32 available with Y79:
>
>"While the description of the L31 and the W32 engines (for SX Performance
>Package) are similar, there is considerable difference in engine
>characteristics.  The L31 engine is designed to operate with lower axle
>ratios (2.56, 2.78, or 3.08) and develops maximum torque at lower rpm.
> Option W32 is a performance engine designed to operate with higher axle
>ratios (3.08, 3.23, or 3.42) and develops maximum torque at higher rpm."
>
>The produce selling feature album itself makes no reference to the W32 engine
>or specifications.  It does give specifications for the 442 365hp engine,
>which does develope torque at a higher rpm than the L31, but does not have an
>option code.  I'm assuming it's the W32.  The memo gives no MSRP for the W32
>w/Y79 either.
>
>I would gladly send a photocopy of this memo to those interested if you send
>me a SASE.  Email me directly for address if you are interested.
>Phartlieb@aol.com.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Paul
>
>
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:42:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Downtime 

At 01.36 04,13,96 -0300, you wrote:
>lets not start a war here but..
>
wouldnt want to...but...
>PMail is the best.  Is has filtering and folders for seperate stuff.  
>I have filtering for my family mail and all my mailing lists, it is 
>very cool and i don't have to sort any mail. And it's free!
>
Eudora Pro has filtering...and i downloaded it for free
               zack

>> use Eudora...its ALOT better
>
>Dink
>80 Delta 88 Royale
>
>{
>Dink           Dayton, Ohio
>http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
>Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
>}
>
>
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

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From: isagil <isagil@CAM.ORG>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:44:08 -0300
Subject: 394 Info: add it up

Hi everybody!

This e-mail list is great. I'm glad I found it.
So far, here's what I heard about my future 394 Olds engine:

1) Parts might exchange from 1949-53 303, 1954-56 324, 1957-58 371 engines. 
Parts will not exchange on post-1964 engines (400,425 and 455)

2) Hoffenhauser did make a nice 3x2 intake manifold. The problem is to find 
one right now at a reasonnable price, to make it a rare Tri-Power Oldsmobile. 
Also is available a dual-quad intake for a pair of 625cfm Carters. If you 
have such a manifold in your basement, send your e-mail around here.

3) Kanter products offers a complete line of parts to rebuild a stock 394.

4) Perfomance camshafts are probably available from Isky and Crane.

5) The 394 might have a weakness in the cylinder heads: they have a tendency 
to crack.

6) Torque and horsepower figures are impressive.

Good. Thanx everybody who contributed for those info. Any more information 
will be welcomed.


Isagil. <isagil@cam.org>

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From: isagil <isagil@CAM.ORG>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:46:04 -0300
Subject: 1961-63 Olds 215?

Hum.. not that I am very interested in that engine, but what was that 
1961-1963 Olds 215? Just a line will satisfy my curiosity.

Isagil

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From: isagil <isagil@CAM.ORG>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:24:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Historical Info

SG Hartfelder wrote:
> 
>         I was talking with a friend of mine last week and he told me of an
> interesting toll free number you can call at General Motors.  If you give
> them the serial number of your car they will research their records and
> supply you with a restoration guide and a certificate that describes as as
> much iformation as they have available.  Like, where it was built, the
> dealer it was delivered to, all the option details including paint and
> dozens of other tidbits.
> 
>         The number to call in CANADA is 1-800-263-3777.  The price is either
> $42.50 or $26.75 (cdn) depending on the year of vehicle.  You can expect
> delivery of the package in about six weeks.
> 
>         By the way, how many Canadians are out there?
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> S.G. Hartfelder         | Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
> 18619 - 68 Ave.         | 1938 Oldsmobile - Street Rod
> Edmonton, AB  CANADA    | 1976 Camaro
> T5T 2M8                 | <:)
> __________________________________________________________


And if you need the address to contact GM archives, here it is:

General Motors Of Canada Ltd.
Atn/ Vintage Vehicules Services (dept. 163-005)
1908, Colonel Sam Drive
Oshawa, Ontario
L1H 8P7
Canada

Isagil

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From: Jeff Hunter <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:30:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 1961-63 Olds 215? 

At 04:46 PM 4/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hum.. not that I am very interested in that engine, but what was that 
>1961-1963 Olds 215? Just a line will satisfy my curiosity.
>

In 1961, the F-85 had a 155 HP version of the 215 ci. engine, and the
Cutlass had a 185 HP version.  This was an all-aluminum engine. 

In 1962, Olds introduced a 'turbocharged' version of this engine, which put
"Turbo Rocket Fluid" (1/2 distilled water, 1/2 methyl alcohol)into the carb.
10.25:1 compression ratio with this system. 0 - 60 in 8.5 seconds. This
engine was used on the Jetfire.  

Jetfire Production:
1962: 3,765
1963: 5,842

Oldsmobile scrapped this system in 1964 due to reliability problems.  The
'performance Olds' then became the 442 in '64.

Hope this helps, I think this is a great engine!
Jeff Hunter
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:41:14 -0300
Subject: Re: 1961-63 Olds 215?

On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, isagil wrote:

> Hum.. not that I am very interested in that engine, but what was that 
> 1961-1963 Olds 215? Just a line will satisfy my curiosity.
> 
> Isagil
> 
In 1961, Olds (and Buick and Pontiac, referred to collectively as "The 
BOP Cars") came out with their new small cars 
(Olds F-85, Pontiac Tempest, Buick Special).  All had available a new, all 
aluminum V-8, displacing 215 cubic inches.  This engine was standard in 
the Buick and Olds, optional in the Pontianc.  The Olds version put out 
155 HP at 4800 RPM and 210 ft-lbs of torque at 2800 RPM.  The engine was 
available only through 1963.  In '64, with the F-85 gaining in size and 
weight all the time, Olds came out with a new V-8, the 330, which was 
available in the F-85, Cutlass, and Jetstar 88 lines.



Dan Gulino

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From: Jeff Hunter <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:02:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Tempest/Buick Special/Ch*v Corvair 

 
>(Olds F-85, Pontiac Tempest, Buick Special).  All had available a new, all 
>aluminum V-8, displacing 215 cubic inches.  This engine was standard in 
>the Buick and Olds, optional in the Pontianc.  The Olds version put out 
>155 HP at 4800 RPM and 210 ft-lbs of torque at 2800 RPM.  The engine was 
>available only through 1963.  In '64, with the F-85 gaining in size and 
>weight all the time, Olds came out with a new V-8, the 330, which was 
>available in the F-85, Cutlass, and Jetstar 88 lines.
>
Might also note that these cars are based on the same platform as the
rear-engined Corvairs of the era.  Also that the Tempest is rope-driven. The
Oldsmobile was "the most conventional" of the GM compacts of this period.
       _/       _/    _/_/_/_/_/   _/_/       _/_/   Jeff Hunter
      _/       _/    _/           _/ _/     _/ _/    
     _/       _/    _/           _/   _/  _/  _/     Hunter's Flea Market
    _/ _/_/_/_/    _/_/_/_/_/   _/     _/    _/      P.O. Box #44
   _/       _/    _/           _/           _/       Camlachie,
  _/       _/    _/           _/           _/        Ontario, Canada
 _/       _/    _/           _/           _/         N0N 1J0

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:02:55 -0300
Subject: Re: 1969 442 Parts 

Is that a conv quarter?

>>Hey this email for oldsmobiles is great. Good Idea. I am glad I found it.
>>
>>I'm looking for parts
>>
>>1. set of 4 wheel trim rings
>>2. Wood grain dash inlay
>>3. Misc body parts, fenders,quarters
>  I have a nice '69 left qtr/with wheel house. $300.00
>
>
>
>>I would apriciate any info you have.
>>I have a really clean '69 left qtr/with wheel house. $300.00
>>Anyone have any prefered methods to putting power to the
>>ground. 
>>
>>Any prefered 455 cam\head\intake\carb cominations that work.  I'm
>>looking for a weekend crusier.
>>
>>I have a 69 442 with a 455 .030 over, B heads, unknown cam, 4 speed,
>>and 4.11 in the rear. I t does good now, but I think it could be better. 
>>
>>
>>
>John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@nhr.com
>Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (804) 495-8229
>
>48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
>     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire
>
>
>

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:20:43 -0300
Subject: Who is interested 

I was just wondering how much interest there would be in splitting this
group into 2 (or more) categories such as performance and restoration or
whatever?

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From: BYLN96A@prodigy.com ( GLENN CONNORS)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:49:16 -0300
Subject: kick-down assy. 

   My '69 4-4-2 was originally a 4-speed, now has a TH400.  I'm 
looking for the kick-down switch, bracket and wiring.  If any one has 
this around, I'm looking for it. BTW, motor is coming around good. 
Just jammed the dipstick tube in her and put the exh. manifolds on.  
Ready for the carb and distributer.  Then I'll be preoiling (sp) it 
with a guage to see what I've got for pressure.  Just getting excited 
here...hoping for 365-375 hp. with somewhere near 9.7:1 comp. for 
street use.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2  (black plain jane)

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From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:04:05 -0300
Subject: Wanted:  Gif or Jpg

Anyone have a gif or jpg of a 1984 Hurst Olds [silver]?

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:12:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Who is interested

At 05:20 PM 4/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I was just wondering how much interest there would be in splitting this
>group into 2 (or more) categories such as performance and restoration or
>whatever?
>
>
None here; I enjoy both aspects of Oldsmobiling.  I would think splitting it
up would complicate things.
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: "Dink" <heinle@jake.udayton.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 19:21:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Who is interested

> >I was just wondering how much interest there would be in splitting this
> >group into 2 (or more) categories such as performance and restoration or
> >whatever?
> >
> >
> None here; I enjoy both aspects of Oldsmobiling.  I would think splitting it
> up would complicate things.

I agree, I would have to subscribe to both if we did.

Dink
80 Delta 88 Royale

{
Dink           Dayton, Ohio
http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle/
Computer Information Systems Major @ UD
}

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:25:27 -0300
Subject: Re: kick-down assy.

At 05:49 PM 4/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>   My '69 4-4-2 was originally a 4-speed, now has a TH400.  I'm 
>looking for the kick-down switch, bracket and wiring.  If any one has 
>this around, I'm looking for it. BTW, motor is coming around good. 
>Just jammed the dipstick tube in her and put the exh. manifolds on.  
>Ready for the carb and distributer.  Then I'll be preoiling (sp) it 
>with a guage to see what I've got for pressure.  Just getting excited 
>here...hoping for 365-375 hp. with somewhere near 9.7:1 comp. for 
>street use.
>
>Glenn
>'69 4-4-2  (black plain jane)
>
>
Year One has the the switch for the TH400 available; it's runs $13.50.  They
also have the cable for the TH350, but I don't think it will work for the TH400.
Their number is 1.800.950.9503.
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:34:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Who is interested

> Chris:
> I was just wondering how much interest there would be in splitting this
> group into 2 (or more) categories such as performance and restoration 
> or whatever?

> Dave:
> None here; I enjoy both aspects of Oldsmobiling.  I would think 
> splitting it up would complicate things.

> Dink:
> I agree, I would have to subscribe to both if we did.


I vote with Dave & Dink.

This wasn't a ploy to get rid of Toro-virus, was it??     ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:46:34 -0300
Subject: window regulator

My Cutlass has wing windows with a crank and regulator to open them, like
the windows (not just a lever and shove it open with your hand...).  I need
the regulators for both doors; the gears are stripped and the castings are
cracked so that the passenger wing doesn't close all the way and thus leaks
when it rains.  The drivers side wing regulator is soon to go.  There is no
other way to close the windows tightly (thought about siliconing (sp) the
passenger side shut, but geez, what a mess that would be...). I've been
looking for these parts for quite some time now, but nobody seems to have
them.  I would like new, but will go with used if they are not broke.
Anybody know where I could get these impossible to find parts??  Junkyards
around here seem to have a short supply (thankfully?!) of Oldsmobiles...

Thanks 
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:05:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Historical Info 

>         By the way, how many Canadians are out there?
> 
> __________________________________________________________
> S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca

My reference says 27,300,000.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-8007    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: isagil <isagil@CAM.ORG>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 00:03:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Who is interested

Chris Urban wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering how much interest there would be in splitting this
> group into 2 (or more) categories such as performance and restoration or
> whatever?

Well, Olds are by definition performance, and old Olds are restoration 
matter. Olds are Olds are Olds. I don't think we should split. 

What do you think would be the advantages of splitting this group?

<isagil@cam.org>

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From: <pmrobjr@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:18:40 -0300
Subject: Re:   oldsmobile-digest V1 #146

Hello for every Oldsmobile lovers, 
  I don't mean to be "Toro" carrier but I am very serious to look for 
1966 to 1969 Toronado ( with fair condition to good condition straight 
body with or without running)  for my next project since I already have 
1967 Cutlass Supreme and 1952 Rocket Super 88 at my home so I would be 
apreciate if you know someone who sell or try to get rid of those cars 
that I am looking in East Coast area only and Southeast area.   Please 
send this e mail address or pmrjr@aol.com

Thank you, 
Paul M. Robertson
1967 Cutlass Supreme (my favorite car)
1952 Olds Rocket 88 ( will be sale soon) 

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:43:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Entombed Cars 

In a message dated 96-04-12 10:09:19 EDT, you write:

>Fast-forward twenty years and the kid doesn't want it, 

What a smart kid, bet he's driving an Olds now.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:43:39 -0300
Subject: Aurora Promos 

1996 Aurora 1:25 scale promos are available from Oldsmobile through Alpha One
Marketing GroupI. They are made by the Brookfield Collector's Guild.  They
are making 2500 of each color.  They come in 3 colors: Teal Silver or
Champagne (both with Graphite interior) and Garnet Red with Beige interior.
 My friend at the Olds dealer that got ours said he was told that the red one
was sold out already.  All these promos have sunroofs and the Teal &
Champagne ones have chrome wheels.  Looks like the red one has argent silver
wheels.  Item numbers are:

96 Teal Silver
03-DR-648G-T/S

96 Champagne
03-DR-648C-CHAM

96 Garnet Red
03-DR-648R-RED

Price from Alpha One is $14.95 each.  MI residents add 6% sales tax.  Add 7%
shipping & handling ($4.50 minimum).  Contact:

Alpha One
127 Industrial Ave
Coldwater, MI  49036-9809

800-338-2955 Mon-Fri - 8am to 5pm EST

24hr fax 517-279-9591

I have heard that there are '95 editions also, although I haven't seen any
yet.  These promos are extemely nice and are much more detailed than the AMT
promos GM has for the Camaro, Firebird etc.  Interiors have decal instruments
and woodgrain on doors and console.  Exteriors have painted side marker
lights, front & rear light lenses and reflective side view mirrors.  Your
Aurora dealer may have the red ones (and the other colors, too, but I'll bet
their more than $15.00).

Paul

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:01:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Historical Info

At 08:05 PM 4/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>         By the way, how many Canadians are out there?
>> 
>> __________________________________________________________
>> S.G. Hartfelder		| Internet: stanh@compusmart.ab.ca
>
>My reference says 27,300,000.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----
>Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.


Ha, Ha!! 
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:50:03 -0300
Subject: Re: As requested, Info on W-40 Option 

In a message dated 96-04-12 22:12:39 EDT, you write:

> According to this the interior can also come in a Royal Blue Cloth.  
>     I've only seen the red vinyl and red cloth.  Can anyone else verify 
>     ever having seen a blue-interiored '84 H/O?

Here I am with my trusty Product Selling Feature book again!  In a letter to
dealers dated 11-21-83, Oldsmobile announces the return of the Hurst/Olds for
'84 with a new color scheme.  A sample order blank is attached showing all of
the required information.  At the bottom is a note: "Trims available with the
Hurst/Olds Package include 21 Sand Gray Cloth, 23 Royal Blue Cloth, 25 Maple
Red Cloth, or 55 Maple Red Vinyl."

According to Sales Promotion Bulletin # NCM 84-17 dated 12-16-83:" Interior
trim availabiliy on the 1984 Hurst/Olds will be limited to Maple Red Cloth
(25) and Maple Red Vinyl (55).  Sand Gray Cloth (21) and Royal Blue Cloth
(23) are *not* available."

Paul (the one with all the books)

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:50:05 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 W32 

In a message dated 96-04-13 11:08:16 EDT, you write:

>I have a '70 W-32 car. The only way I know how to document it as such is the
>OG code TH400 transmission and the carb, dist. numbers. This car was built
on
>the 9th of October 1969.

But is your car a 2bbl or a 4bbl?  And what is the significance of the OG
Code for the tranny (I'm dumb when it comes to these codes)?

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:50:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 W32 

In a message dated 96-04-13 11:12:36 EDT, you write:

>>My '70 service manual lists the engine only for coupes/conv. and it is the
>same as the base 442 engine.

OK, so what we're getting to here is that the W32 motor, that as an option on
the SX Package, is the 442 motor.  So, if you ordered an SX Package, it came
with the 98 motor as standard, but you could order the optional 442 motor in
it's place.

If the '70 service manual lists the W32 for SX coupes and convertibles and
says that it's the same as the 442 motor, then it (W32) must have been
available way before the memo date of 2-24-70 -- service manuals are printed
too far in advance to reflect such a late change in engine availability like
this.  Does the service manual say anything about the availability of the L33
455 2bbl motor?

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:55:20 -0300
Subject: Classifieds

Check out EPage classifieds...they have some Olds stuff for sale/wanted.
The Olds classified page is at http://ep.com/s/ca/old.html; they also have a
page for Antique and Classic Autos (Warning: the C-word is used frequently
on this page...) at http://ep.com/s/ca/aac.html
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:01:22 -0300
Subject: 91 bravada 4L60e 

anyone know of any mods to a 4L60E tranny to make it shift more firm?  it's
basically a 700R4, but can you set it up like a worked 700R4? or do you have
to worry about a computer? 
               Zack
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

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From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:03:01 -0300
Subject: Re: As requested, Info on W-40 Option

At 10:50 PM 4/13/96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-04-12 22:12:39 EDT, you write:
>
>> According to this the interior can also come in a Royal Blue Cloth.  
>>     I've only seen the red vinyl and red cloth.  Can anyone else verify 
>>     ever having seen a blue-interiored '84 H/O?
>
>Here I am with my trusty Product Selling Feature book again!  In a letter to
>dealers dated 11-21-83, Oldsmobile announces the return of the Hurst/Olds for
>'84 with a new color scheme.  A sample order blank is attached showing all of
>the required information.  At the bottom is a note: "Trims available with the
>Hurst/Olds Package include 21 Sand Gray Cloth, 23 Royal Blue Cloth, 25 Maple
>Red Cloth, or 55 Maple Red Vinyl."
>
>According to Sales Promotion Bulletin # NCM 84-17 dated 12-16-83:" Interior
>trim availabiliy on the 1984 Hurst/Olds will be limited to Maple Red Cloth
>(25) and Maple Red Vinyl (55).  Sand Gray Cloth (21) and Royal Blue Cloth
>(23) are *not* available."
>
>Paul (the one with all the books)
>

Where _DID_ you get all those books, anyway???


- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:43:57 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 W32 

> >>My '70 service manual lists the engine only for coupes/conv. and it is the
> >same as the base 442 engine.
> 
> OK, so what we're getting to here is that the W32 motor, that as an option on
> the SX Package, is the 442 motor.  So, if you ordered an SX Package, it came
> with the 98 motor as standard, but you could order the optional 442 motor in
> it's place.
> 
> If the '70 service manual lists the W32 for SX coupes and convertibles and
> says that it's the same as the 442 motor, then it (W32) must have been
> available way before the memo date of 2-24-70 -- service manuals are printed
> too far in advance to reflect such a late change in engine availability like
> this.  Does the service manual say anything about the availability of the L33
> 455 2bbl motor?
> 
I have part of the 1970 Oldsmobile Salesmen's Prices, Equipment, Colors & 
Trims, Specifications (effective 1/1/1970).

H.C. is High Compression, 4V is 4 Barrel (Venturi) Carb.

The 365-Hp 442 Rocket 455 V8 H.C. (4V) is listed as standard for the 442, and
as the W32 for the Cutlass Supreme.  It says for coupe/conv. only.6

The standard motor for the Cutlass Supreme is the 310-Hp Rocket 350
V8 H.C. (4V).

It does not mention an SX package.  Is that the same thing as a Supreme?

It has Toronado, 98, Delta 88 Royale, Delta 88 Custom, Delta 88, 
Vista Cruiser, 442, Cutlass Supreme, Cutlass S, Cutlass, and F85.

The 365-HP Rocket 455 V8 H.C. (4V) is the standard engine for the 98.  It
is the L31 option for all the Delta models, and the Vista Cruiser.

It lists two 455s with 2V carbs.

The 320-HP Rocket 455 V-8 H.C. (2V) is the L33 option for the Cutlass 
Supreme, Cutlass S and Cutlass.

The 310-HP Rocket 455 V8 (Reg. Fuel) (2V) is the standard engine for the
Delta 88 Royale and Custom, and the L30 option for the Delta 88.

In 1970, there were eight 455s, three 350s, and an Action Line 6 (??? c.i.).

The packages were W31, W32, W33, W34, L30, L31, L33, L74, and L65.

It has quite a bit of information in a couple of tables.  If
anyone has any specific questions, I'll try to answer them.

I'll try to write something up, on the different options, for the FAQ.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-8007    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

------------------------------

From: "C. K. Yee" <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:25:38 -0300
Subject: Re: 91 bravada 4L60e

> anyone know of any mods to a 4L60E tranny to make it shift more firm?  it's
> basically a 700R4, but can you set it up like a worked 700R4? or do you have
> to worry about a computer? 
>                Zack

The 4L60E's shifting is controlled by the PCM.  One way to achieve firmer
shifts is to install a performance chip.  I know that Z-industries and
Superchips offer shift quality improvements with their programming
for the LT1/4L60E combination, but you'd have to check for the
availability of a chip for the Bravada.  On another list server, there
was some discussion about installing shift kits.  The consensus was
that the Transgo shift kit was more complete and of better quality
than the Art Carr offering.  Many are pleased with the results of the
Transgo kit, and the price is about $85 US.  Someone from Z-industries
warned that PCM programming in addition to a shift kit installation
produced *brutal* results!
 
Kevin

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 02:40:48 -0300
Subject: stuff for sale/wanted

Some stuff I found tonight on the web, haven't checked any email addresses
or anuthing, so take your chances...

Wanted:  1939 Olds Coupe trunk lid and left rear fender (lg body).  Call
Dave at 612-484-6081 (Minneapolis, MN)

For Sale: 70-72 Cutlass/442 parts.  Email gfriberg@tdrss.wsc.nasa.gov or
call Greg at 505-524-1446 (New Mexico)               

For Sale:  Olds 88, 4 door, J-2 engine, w/3-2bbl carbs.  Restorable or use
for parts.  Wanting $800.  Email mstell@rollanet.org

Later
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 02:53:53 -0300
Subject: Rear end

I went out and looked at the rear diff. in my 69 Cutlass tonight.  What is
the most desirable differential (posi or non-posi)?  I am not familiar
enough with them to really know, other than there are 10 and 12 bolt ones.
I assume that is the number of bolts around the rear cover?  And how do you
measure the size (in inches)?  Is a 12 bolt always the same size?  Mine has
a 12 bolt, based on my earlier assumption; found a W-27 12 bolt cover in
Year One for $89.00 (reproduction, of course). 

Also what are "NOS" parts?  Apparently _NOT_ nitrous oxide...

Thanks for the info...  
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 04:15:36 -0300
Subject: Re: As requested, Info on W-40 Option 

At 22.50 04,13,96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-04-12 22:12:39 EDT, you write:
>
>> According to this the interior can also come in a Royal Blue Cloth.  
>>     I've only seen the red vinyl and red cloth.  Can anyone else verify 
>>     ever having seen a blue-interiored '84 H/O?
>
>Here I am with my trusty Product Selling Feature book again!  In a letter to
>dealers dated 11-21-83, Oldsmobile announces the return of the Hurst/Olds for
>'84 with a new color scheme.  A sample order blank is attached showing all of
>the required information.  At the bottom is a note: "Trims available with the
>Hurst/Olds Package include 21 Sand Gray Cloth, 23 Royal Blue Cloth, 25 Maple
>Red Cloth, or 55 Maple Red Vinyl."
>
>According to Sales Promotion Bulletin # NCM 84-17 dated 12-16-83:" Interior
>trim availabiliy on the 1984 Hurst/Olds will be limited to Maple Red Cloth
>(25) and Maple Red Vinyl (55).  Sand Gray Cloth (21) and Royal Blue Cloth
>(23) are *not* available."
>
>Paul (the one with all the books)
>

so, theoretically there "could" be some blue interiors out there
               zack
      ___
     /. .\
    _\_*_/_                     -<Buddha>-
   / /   \ \                   Buddha@itw.com
   \_\___/_/            HTTP://www2.itw.com/~buddha/
  /___\_/___\ "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
 *************

------------------------------

From: David Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 05:03:31 -0300
Subject: Cylinder head volume

Does anybody know the combustion chamber volume of stock #5 heads??

Thanks
- --
Dave Paulison             Melbourne, FL          69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:07:02 -0300
Subject: E-Mail Quirks, Disgruntled Postal Employees? 

     To all that may be trying to get mail to me, keep trying.  Our mail
server is down, so I have no incoming mail whatsoever.  (I miss you guys,
man! --I know, I'm not gettin' your Bud Light!)  Anyway, I don't know if my
outgoing mail even works, but I'll try this anyway...  No one on our campus
has recieved mail for three days now.  (ouch!)  Someday, I hope they'll have
that fixed, so I can catch up on all the Toro flames, and maybe excerpts
from a battle about how someones 98 is ten times (or more :} ) better that
someone's 88, etc!  Maybe even see some technical stuff, too :)
     Happy motoring, etc.  I'll have to just play with my cars, instead of
reading stuff...

    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 09:17:37 -0300
Subject: Cheap engine [montana]

Found on a bbs...

1946 Olds engine/tranmission, straight eight and hydramatic.
  37,215 original miles, not run since 1970.  Car was parked when the
  fuel pump failed.  Probably needs a rebuild by now.
  Make offer.
(Hint: If you offer more than $500, I'll have to conclude that you're not
too bright, and if you offer less than $200, I may be forced to verbally
assault your ancestors)

BTW, if you want any of it, you'll have to come to Montana to get it, cuz
this stuff is too damn heavy to hassle with shipping it.
     (Located 10 miles NE of Billings, Montana)
- -----------------------------

Dang, forgot to get the guy's email address or whatever... well, if there's any
interest, let me know, & I'll look him up...

or, find him yourself; he's known as "Recluse" on
  whip.isca.uiowa.edu
which you can telnet to.

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 09:24:00 -0300
Subject: Wanted: 63 88 pcs

Forwarded message:
> From 74451.1740@compuserve.com Sat Apr 13 21:53:34 1996
> From: 74451.1740@compuserve.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 21:53:32 -0400
>
> Do you have any parts for a 1963 Olds 88, 2 door hardtop.
> One item is the taillight.
> Thankyou
> Terry

Anybody can help?

- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 09:47:55 -0300
Subject: Head Stuff

Here's the table from the Mondello catalog, sorry if it's been here before:

MODEL	YEAR		CASTING #	ID	DISPLACEMENT

307	80-85		3317		5A	67 c.c.
307	86		0142		7A	64
350	68-70		409-147		7	70
350	71-76		411-929		8	81
350	77-80		554-716		3A	75
403	77-79		554-717		4A	83
455	*		394-548		C	80
455	*		403-686		E	77
455	**		411-783		J	82

* - he says late 60's to early 70's, but we've had better info here 
before from Chris W so I won't repeat misinformation...
** - he says mid-70s smog heads, probably true, but see above.

Hope this answers some Q's.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:05:01 -0300
Subject: More Head Stuff

Hmmm, just noticed... don't take Mondello's table as gospel. For example, 
just noticed he has #7 heads for a 350 listed for '68, but mine are #5... 
probably use it as a very general guide only. Like his lifter chart, 
which I was also going to repro here until I realized it was almost 
impossible to decipher... 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:07:16 -0300
Subject: Crane Cams?

Curious to know if anyone here uses a Crane cam in their Olds. Can anyone 
offer an opinion, comparative with Engle/Mondello or otherwise?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 11:35:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Who is interested 

>I vote with Dave & Dink.
>
>This wasn't a ploy to get rid of Toro-virus, was it??     ;)
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike

Yeah, we're not THAT easy to shake...           :)


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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