
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, February 9 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1092



Re: TOWING??
Re: '76 production totals
Re: '76 production totals
Re: NEED A CARB!
Re: TOWING??
Re: Distributer help(desperate everbody please help)
New car
Re: Lighting Rods
Re: Ertl '69 442
Re:Distributer h*lp(desperate everbody please h*lp)
Re[2]: I need production totals
Re: NEED A CARB!
Re: Trunk Stipes
Re: I need production totals
Re: Vote For Jason
Re: Vote For Jason
Re: Got red buckets, NOS wheel covers
Re: Check received Tuesday
Re: Oust charcoal/Kids!
Re: Miscellaneous...
Re: Water Pump Question & resto update
'66 W-30 scale model
Re: Header debate
anyone got info edelbrocks' heads?
Re: '76 Cutlass California Special
Re: 88/98 parts for sale
Re: Vote For Jason (and Clayton too!)
Re: Lighting Rods
Re: '76 production totals
window tint (long)
Re: Sad day for me
Inter Active Car Show
Re: Boxed Lower Control Arms
Re: Lighting Rods
Re: '76 production totals
Re: The "Olds"-Files
Re: Center Caps for Ralley Wheels
Re: VSO???????
Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question
Re: NEED A CARB!
Re: cylinder ridge
Re: Oil Pan Gasket Replacement
Re: 76' Production totals

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:31:55 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: TOWING??

clarence wirtz wrote:
>
> I am things of buying a small travel trailer or popup camper.  I was
> wondering if my
> 86 Cutlass would be able to tow it or should I plan to use the F-350 and
> just get a bigger camper.  The car has the 307 auto O/D and 2:56 gears.
Has
> any one used there
> Olds to pull a camper?  Let me know  your thoughts on this.  I dont want
to
> mess the car up.

My family has been camping with trailers for a while now.  We had an 85
Cutlass
Ciera LS wagon with the MPFI 231 V6 and an overdrive transmission.  We
almost
tore the tranny up pulling our rather large pop-up trailer in the overdrive
gear.  We also pulled a 20' travel trailer cross-country (in 3rd, of
course!)
with a 1989 Jeep Cherokee with a 4-liter I6.  That worked fine.  We now pull
our
24' travel trailer with a 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a Chrysler 318 V8
and
3.73 gears in a Dana 35 rear axle driving Bridgestone 31x10.50 tires.  It
also
has a transmission cooler and an extra oil cooler and does just fine on the
road.  My point to all this is just make sure you have the correct
equipment.
I'd not pull anything more than 2500 lbs. or so with that 200-4R (lock out
the
overdrive gear!).  If you do, get a tranny cooler for sure and probably beef
up
the engine radiator, as well.  If it were me, I might consider getting 2.73
or
3.08 rear gears, to make it easier to pull the trailer around town and up
hills
on the road.

BUT, unless you really want to use the Olds for the towing, I'd leave it to
the
workhorse F-350.  My parents are considering one of the F-350 turbo-diesels
for
a 35' 5th wheel travel trailer they plan to buy for retirement (they'll
never
die!).  You can get some real nice used 20' or 25' trailers for around 10
grand
(our 24' Terry was 11,500 I think).  E-mail me privately if you wish.  We
just
bought our travel trailer a year ago, so I'm still familiar with all that
stuff.

Hope this helps.

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| __    ________ |
| \ \  / __  __/ Jason Adcock |
| \ \/ / / / CS Major, Virginia Tech |
|   \  / / / mailto:jadcock@vt.edu |
|    \/ /_/ http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/ |
| |
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:39:56 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: '76 production totals

- -----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>

>
>Does ANYBODY out there have the production figures for the '76 Cutlasses???
I'd
>much appreciate it if someone could post it!  Thank you!  Have a good day.
:)
>--

Cutlass S
hardtop coupe    59179
hardtop sedan    34994

Cutlass Sup.
hardtop coupe    186647
hardtop sedan    37112

Cutlass Sup. Cruiser    13964

Vista Cruiser    20560

Cutlass Salon
hardtop coupe    48440
hardtop sedan    7921

Cutlass Sup. Brougham
hardtop coupe    91312

Engines
L22 250cid  105hp
LV8 260cid  110hp
L34 350 cid  170hp
L74 455cid  190hp

Daren

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 01:00:07 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: '76 production totals

Trevor Lee wrote:

> Does ANYBODY out there have the production figures for the '76
Cutlasses???

G29 S Colon 4dr sdn 34,994
G37 S Colon 2dr sdn 59,179
J29 Supreme Colon 4dr sdn 37,112
J57 Supreme Colon 2dr cpe 186,647
M57 Supreme Broug cpe 91,312
K29 Salon Colon 4dr sdn V8 7,921
K57 Salon Colon 2dr cpe V8 48,440
H35 Supreme Cruiser wgn 5d 2S V8 TOTAL OF
H35 Supreme Cruiser wgn 5d 3S V8 13,964
J35 Cruiser wgn 5d 2S V8 TOTAL OF
J35 Cruiser wgn 4d 3S V8 20,560

If I didn't mess up typing these in, the above totals are from my book.
It has material from 1930 to 1990 for all American vehicles.  IT says
the base prices started at $3,999 for the G37 to $5,174 for the J35 wgn
3S V8.  Hope these are what you asked for.  About the only info in it is
the model numbers, production numbers, base price, base weight, usual
engine availability and pictures of a lot of the vehicles.  It also
contains a brief description of how the vehicles evolved.  My father got
it for me for Christmas a couple years ago.  It is one gift I have truly
enjoyed year around.  Later Trevor.....

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:14:26 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED A CARB!

At 01:47 PM 2/8/98 -0500, you wrote:

>My '71 442 needs a new carb (q-jet). If you have an extra, please e-mail

>me.

>The threads at the the opening where the fuel filter goes are stripped

>out.  Since this is part of the casting,  I don't see how if can be

>fixed.  Of course, I could be wrong.  If I am, tell me how.

>--

>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)

>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

>

>*****************************************************

>* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *

>*****************************************************



The 68 carb I got on my motor had been heliacoiled. I have seen then for
spark plugs holes, but apprantly they make them for this inlet as well. I'm
afraid I don't know where you could a heliacoil that large, but good luck
with it!






T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:23:39 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: TOWING??

At 08:15 PM 2/8/98 +0000, you wrote:

>I am things of buying a small travel trailer or popup camper.  I was

>wondering if my

>86 Cutlass would be able to tow it or should I plan to use the F-350 and

>just get a bigger camper.  The car has the 307 auto O/D and 2:56 gears.
Has

>any one used there

>Olds to pull a camper?  Let me know  your thoughts on this.  I dont want to

>mess the car up.

>

>Thanks

>Clarence

>86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's

>San Antonio



I towed my 18 ft Ranger with the Cutlass for a year when it had the 260 V8
and 2.29 rear end. It was a little sluggish but oldsmobile's good torque
still gave me enough umph to pop it up the ramp - even with a 260. I haven't
had any problems although I now have a 350 w/ 3.73's in there now.







T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 01:30:06 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Distributer help(desperate everbody please help)

Termoil,
You have it timed right if it runs.....but you need to have exhaust on
the car to create the back pressure to smooth the motor out.

Don't risk your money driving it.....GET A TOW!

Gerald Hughes

TERMO1L@aol.com wrote:
>
> Okay guys heres the scoop.  My 330 is freshly rebuilt all installed.  I
put
> the 1st cylinder at the top( I think) set my timing to roughly 7.5, put in
my
> dist.  pointing the rotor at 1.  The car has no exhaust just manifolds
because
> I took the exhaust off.  Now I need to get the car to the exhaust shop.  I
> started the car and it started but was popping pinging and shaking all
over
> the place.  I don't know how to properly turn the dist. housing.  If I
turn it
> too much it won't start too little same thing.  It is obviously hard to
tell
> with the loud exhaust but what could be wrong?  How do I get it to be
timed
> right.  All this timing stuff is new to me.
>
> MIke

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:30:29 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: New car

Like Mike I also picked up a Cutlass this last week. The one I got is an
'82. It is not even close to looking as good as Mike's car but then again
what can I expect for $100. It's wrecked and needs a right spindle and
basically a whole front clip. With the exception of the trunk lid it is rust
free. The trunk floor is just starting to get rust by the wheel well. The
doors are solid which is very surprising for G bodies around here. It's been
repainted a metallic blue. The interior started life turd brown and now has
a blue back seat and blue Toyota buckets (welded to the floor) rally gauges
and 4 Autometer gauges under the dash. It has a sunroof that works and
doesn't leak but has been sealed closed with silicone(?). The guy I bought
it from tried to get me to buy the engine/tranny but I have no need for a
327 Chevy (actually I have no need for this car). He really talked it up
it's claimed to be a '68 'vette 327 with over $2500 in it. The best part was
the $300 spent for ~lighting balancing~ he claims it adds 175hp (hamster
power?). Actually he's pretty lazy (and a b.ser) and I'm hopping he doesn't
bother to come and pull it. I'm not sure what to do with it yet. I've been
thinking of cutting the top off and making it a conv. or parting it.

I'm trying to also get a '65 Delta 88 4dr. very rusty, most trim still
there, not many options on it. It has a 350 with #5 heads (yes I know it's
not original). He said he is "selling it for $500 but will take $300" I'll
give him $150. I just want it for the engine.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:34:46 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Lighting Rods

>> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get all the parts necessary
to convert to the lighting rod shifter..I saw one the other day and I just
have to have em!!!

>>

>>

>> Thanks,



>Hey

>Do you have an AOD trans?  >



I put in some 3.73's and had to get a 200r4.. So yes I have overdrive now..
I would love to get those lighting rods in there, my shifter, well sucks,
for lack of a better term..  Any help in finding a set for me would be
GREATLY appreciated.


Thanks,






T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 01:32:39 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Ertl '69 442

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> Just checked out the Ertl home page.  According to it, the black '69 442
> has been discontinued.  Grab 'em while you can.
> It did not say the '69 H/O was discontinued though.
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
> *****************************************************
> * visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
> *****************************************************

Kurt,

Are the cars your talking about sold under the "American Muscle Car
Collection", large model size, metal, with working steering? The 69 442
is black, and the 69 H/O is white/gold? Since I've been on vacation down
here in Florida for the past three weeks, I saw at least 3 of each model
in several of the stores around town. Is it worth it to scoop up a
couple of each, since their dicontinuing the 442's? I'll probably get
one of eacr for me just "because". Mainly, "because", I can't find an
1986 442 or an 1983 H/O that is!

If anyone else out there has an interest in one, e-mail me before this
Friday, thats when we'll be leaving the Orlando area to go to Daytona
for the 500. We'll probably will be back but just in case e-mail before
Friday.

And, remember never go anywhere without your ThinkPad!

- --

Bill !

1986 Cutlass 442 "The Perfect 10"             _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1998 Chevrolet Blazer 4x4              |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34      |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


* * * * * * * * *
* COMING  SOON * --------> www.3STICKS.com
* * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 2/2/98)

mailto:3STICKS2stjohns.edu

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:13:19 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Re:Distributer h*lp(desperate everbody please h*lp)

Are You sure the firing order is what it should be ?

It's so easy to mess it when You have 8 same colour cables =0)
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x----------------------------------------------------x
x Esko Ilola       mailto:esko.ilola@tele.fi         x
x                  mailto:esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi x
x                   phone:+358 2040 3439             x
x Oldsmobile 98 -64 4DHT  Holiday sports sedan       x
x "Where the action is...."                          x
x----------------------------------------------------x

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:16:22 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Re[2]: I need production totals

Matt Cremean wrote:

> M. Slocum wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Lloyd! This list is great! I've decided to take just one problem
at a
>

> Yeah, Lloyd, thanks! You must have some nifty little book, right?

I would put my money on Dennis Casteele's "The cars of Oldsmobile"

- --
x----------------------------------------------------x
x Esko Ilola       mailto:esko.ilola@tele.fi         x
x                  mailto:esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi x
x                   phone:+358 2040 3439             x
x Oldsmobile 98 -64 4DHT  Holiday sports sedan       x
x "Where the action is...."                          x
x----------------------------------------------------x

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 05:22:26 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: NEED A CARB!

Kurt:

Your local auto parts store will sell a self tapping insert made
specifically to "fix" the stripped threads.  Sells for about $5-%7.
Much cheaper than purchasing a new carb.

- -Loris

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> My '71 442 needs a new carb (q-jet). If you have an extra, please e-mail
> me.
> The threads at the the opening where the fuel filter goes are stripped
> out.  Since this is part of the casting,  I don't see how if can be
> fixed.  Of course, I could be wrong.  If I am, tell me how.
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
> *****************************************************
> * visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
> *****************************************************

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 06:08:47 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Trunk Stipes

> Sorry about the misinformation.  You are correct, Mike, the Ralley did not
> have the trunk stripes; these were only used on the Pace Car.
Unfortunately I
> wrote that after a long flight from Vancouver to Boston, so I was somewhat
> "out of it".  Thanks for the correction

Joe, not trying to correct, I would just plain disagree if I didn't
believe it.  I just thought there was a paint scheme for the Rallyes I
wasn't aware of, or my memory was failing.  Learning learning
learning....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:26:42 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: I need production totals

Matt,

It's called "Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946-1975".  There are lots
of nice things in there including shipping weight, orginal price, and
body/dtyle number as well as major accessories, standard features, and a car
descriptiion.  I recommend it or the others from the early and later eras.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>
>Yeah, Lloyd, thanks! You must have some nifty little book, right?
>
>
>--
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:16:38 +1030
From: "Scott " <scott@tplex.com.au>
Subject: Re: Vote For Jason

Mmmmmm, interesting that Jason also didnt hear from AUTO4WORLD.COM after
his last showing in their interactive car show. The same thing happened to
me after winning Novembers car show (many thanks to all that voted), I
never heard from them so I sent a message asking what was going on and
another and another and then I decided to start my spam (3 email one day, 6
the next, 9 the next) attack until they replied to my emails.

Then finally I got the following reply from Mr Editor himself  in early
January:

Dear Scott,

We appologize for the incovenience.  But I will ask you to undertsand our
point  here is a brief description of how the carshow works: when we
finally
get in touch with the carshow winner and find out his address, then we have
to contact the sponsors so they send us the prizes.  After that the
shipping
department gets your prizes ready along with a personalized letter
confirming that your car is the "Cool Ride of the Month", then of course
they check everything including your address to make sure not to send your
prizes to the wrong place.

Concerning your previous e-mails:  We are also sorry but you must
understand
that by the number of e-mails we receive everyday, we do not always have
time to reply to every last one of them.

Thank you for your understanding,

Walter Gordon,
Publisher, AUTO4WORLD.COM



So based on my experience, here I am in the middle of February and still no
word from Mr Walter Gordon or his co-workers. It looks like the car show is
an entertaining game but its disappointing that the b*stards dont adhere to
their own rules. (Its obviously turns into a game of chance after the
voting is finished)

Enough complaints .......... So vote 1 for Jason but dont stop buying
t-shirts assuming you are going to win one.

Ps. I voted for your car Jason - cool car.



Scott   ;-)


- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Vote For Jason
> Date: Monday, 9 February 1998 7:00
>
> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jason,
> > Why didn't you tell us your car was in the interactive car show???
>
> Why didn't you guys tell me?  8-)  Seriously, I was in there a while ago,
but
> didn't think I'd show up again.  I've never heard from them at all, so I
didn't
> think anything was going to become of it.
>
> > Here's the URL
> > http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
> > Vote for Jason, he's getting wiped out by just about everything else.
> > Let's win another for Olds!!!
>
> Yeah, uhh, vote for me!  8-)  From the looks of the standings, it doesn't
seem
> like there are too many G-Body fans out there.  Hmm.
>
> Thanks for pointin me out, anyway!
>
> +---------------------------------------------------------------+
> | __    ________ |
> | \ \  / __  __/ Jason Adcock |
> | \ \/ / / / CS Major, Virginia Tech |
> |   \  / / / mailto:jadcock@vt.edu |
> |    \/ /_/ http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/ |
> | |
> +---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:32:05 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Vote For Jason

Scott wrote:
>
> So based on my experience, here I am in the middle of February and still
no
> word from Mr Walter Gordon or his co-workers. It looks like the car show
is
> an entertaining game but its disappointing that the b*stards dont adhere
to
> their own rules. (Its obviously turns into a game of chance after the
> voting is finished)
>
> Enough complaints .......... So vote 1 for Jason but dont stop buying
> t-shirts assuming you are going to win one.
>
> Ps. I voted for your car Jason - cool car.
>
> Scott   ;-)

Thanks, Scott.  Like you said, there are too many places like this out there
to
get discouraged over one.  8-)

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| __    ________ |
| \ \  / __  __/ Jason Adcock |
| \ \/ / / / CS Major, Virginia Tech |
|   \  / / / mailto:jadcock@vt.edu |
|    \/ /_/ http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/ |
| |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:01:10 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Got red buckets, NOS wheel covers

> From wittchri@pilot.msu.edu Sun Feb  8 12:16:22 1998

> From the latest parts car previous owner comes also...

> Red bucket seats, look good at first glance, have not seen them opened up
yet,
> appear to be pre-'68 [no release button, metal lower pieces]. Entertaining
> offers, inquiring as to desirability. not that many red interiors- low
demand
> and low supply. Price ?? About the usual.


FWIW, they'll be pre-'67 as well.  1967 was a pivotal year for safety-type
changes, including dual reservoir master cylinders, and release buttons
on bucket seats.

I guess that Big Red's red interior is pretty rare then?


Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:02:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Check received Tuesday

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Doug Newman wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>               I received your check today, and shipped your tape this
> afternoon.  Your letter was postmarked Jan. 29, so hopefully you'll get
your
> tape Monday or Tuesday of next week.  Thanks again for your order.  I
really
> think you'll enjoy it.
>
> Take care,
>
> Doug

*******************
Doug,

Received the tape in Saturday's mail, so it got here even quicker than you
had anticipated.  I watched it Saturday night, along with my wife and a
neighbor who had spent one day in Lansing with me during the Centennial.
Great job!  We actually rewound and watched parts of it again and the
neighbor borrowed it so that he could watch the whole thing once again.
Coincidentially I received a copy of the Centennial Caravan tape from
Alpha One last week also, and we all liked your tape alot better.  Thanks
from all of us, for putting all the time and effort into producing such a
professional product.  I urge anyone who is the slightest bit interested
in what happened during the Centennial Celebration to get a copy of their
own.  Thanks again.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:08:34 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Oust charcoal/Kids!

>
> Speaking of kids, does anyone have kid stories they would like to share?
My
> daughter calls the covert. an "outside car" and she wants to know why we
buy
> cars we don't drive. Also (she's VERY inquisitive), she wants to know why
I
> have had sooooo many cars?

My twins call Big Red, and any other converts. they see, "Top-Down cars".

Helen has also announced (they're going to be 4 in April, btw) that she
will be driving the Cutlass when she "gets only a little bigger".
Guess I'll have to start hiding the keys soon :)

Michael still show a predilection more for the Caddy than the Cutlass,
but I'm sure he'll see the light all too soon.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:09:09 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous...

In a message dated 98-02-09 00:49:02 EST, you write:

<<
3) Anybody out there have the new phone number for Karl Sarpolis of JWO's
"Karl's Korner? He has moved and I need to pick up his "Firewall
Conversion Plate".

Regards,
Mike
  >>
Hi Mike
  Just tracked down Carl's phone number myself, 1-708-614-4906 he now lives
in
Tinley Park.

Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:29:11 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Water Pump Question & resto update

FYI...the 68, 400 water pump on the later model 455 works like a charm!!!!
The other minor setback was the motor mounts, apparently there were several
parts of the original 68 400 used on the 455. I chose motor mounts for a 71
(good a year as any I thought), and it turned out to set the motor up about
2" too high! Went back to the local autoparts store and ended up getting
mounts for a 70 350, go figure!

After a lengthy detail/gasket replacement on my455 on the stand, I dropped
it back in the bay this weekend, bolted it up to the fresh tranny & voila!
8 hours later I could roast the tires through first & on into second before
reaching warp speed...god it's good to have a big block!

Even with the hood & front bumper off, the battery held in place with
bungy, no fenderwells, nasty old tires on 6" SSII's with no center caps or
rings...people still slowed way down to look at us even on the short 10
minute test drive! I can't wait to get the Chrome SSIII's, Radial T/A's and
the bumble bee stripe on and do some serious cruising!

I think I'm now considering putting the white bumble bee stripe on instead
of the black, white top, red paint, Garnet interior...hmmm...yep, white.

I sent pics of the resto in progress to Bryceman, so look for them in the
Owners Registry soon. I also sent pics of a friends 68 442 Conv, Black
Cherry, 10" wide Chrome SSIII's and 12 second 1/4 mile runs through
mufflers & street tires! Check 'em out...Jim Brenners 68 442 Conv.

Thanks to the list for all the help! More questions to come I'm sure!  : )

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv (finnaly on the road again!!!)
Dallas

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 09:13 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: '66 W-30 scale model

All,

Last fall I picked up a couple of the Lindberg '67 442 W-30's for my
sons thinking it was the closest we'd ever get to our '66 [not a W-30 :)].

Well guess what, AMT/Ertl has just released a 1/25 scale '66 W-30.  I went
down to my Hobby Shop last week to have them order me one, and their
computer said they had already received one and sold it.  They have a few
more on the way.

Sorry I can't provide the kit number, or attest to its quality; but hey,
just making another Olds is a step in the right direction.

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:30:06 +0000
From: "Rick" <Richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Header debate

We through away the blackjack headers
> he bought because they fit crappy and bought a pare of Hooker Super
> Competitions, which fit well.
>
> What headers has everyone tried on their cutlas's and how did they fit.

I actually used the Black Jack headers in my 64 F-85 and they fit
nice. I had to ding them a little to clear the Crossmemeber but that
was about it.
1964 Olds 442 F-85
1987 Monte Carlo SS
Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:40:36 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: anyone got info edelbrocks' heads?

I'm looking for information on Edelbrocks aluminum olds heads.  I've read
about them on their web site as well as Mondello's.  Anyone know the prices?
Will they work on my 350 until I get the 455 shortblock built up?

- -greg

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:54:03 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: '76 Cutlass California Special

My wife and I each had a '76 Cutlass - hers was a Supreme Brougham and mine
was a Salon coupe, and we naturally noticed and paid attention to what
models were offered in both '76 and '77.  I recall a trim package which was
sold by the southeastern Michigan dealers, I believe in '77.  It was a
Cutlass S coupe with the Supreme style "square" front end instead of the
normal (442 type) "slant" front.  All of them had some sort of special name
emblem on the C-pillar / sail panel, and were equipped with chromed dual
sport mirrors.  They may all have had Super Stock III wheels too, as that's
all I can remember seeing on them.  I think that a similar package was sold
with a different name emblem in the Chicago area.  Perhaps this California
Special is the same package as what I remember being sold around here.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:01:38 -0700
From: NOVAMARK@webtv.net (MARK ERTHUM)
Subject: Re: 88/98 parts for sale

Hey big car 88/98 olds fans.  Have a 65-70 12 bolt posi rear end for
$200 complete drum to drum includes E-brake cables too. Sorry I don't
know the ratio of it,I never opened it up to see. Also have the factory
boxed rear lower control arms,shims and sway bar set-up for the 65-70
big car $200.
I have one more interesting thing for those boats. Front disc brake
parts for the 67-70's. L&R spindles, caliper brackets, dust cover,
rotors, and speedo cable. $200. Does not include shipping, but will
negotiate a lot deal.
Email novamark@webtv.net for more info or possible trades for
cutlass/442 pre '72 stuff.

Talk to ya later,
Mark from Az.

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:13:44 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Vote For Jason (and Clayton too!)

>Hey Jason,
>Why didn't you tell us your car was in the interactive car show???
>Here's the URL
>http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
>Vote for Jason, he's getting wiped out by just about everything else.
>Let's win another for Olds!!!

Hey, while you're in there, check out showroom #4, (
http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom4.html )which
has Clayton Pierce's 1980 Rover 3500 (no other Olds in that showroom, but
with that 215ci Buick/Olds/Rover aluminum V-8, it's the closest in spirit!)

Wouldn't it be nice to see the votes swing entirely over to the Olds side!
(right now, Jason is sitting at 0.0% of the votes... :(
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:21:40 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Lighting Rods

Tracy H. Shires wrote:
>
> >> I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get all the parts
> necessary to convert to the lighting rod shifter..I saw one the other
> day and I just have to have em!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >Hey
> >Do you have an AOD trans? >
>
> I put in some 3.73's and had to get a 200r4.. So yes I have overdrive
> now.. I would love to get those lighting rods in there, my shifter,
> well sucks, for lack of a better term.. Any help in finding a set for
> me would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350
> mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu
>
> University of Oklahoma
> Aerospace Engineering
> Mechanical Engineering


Call Ray at Muscle Car Headquarters in Farmingdale-Long Island (516)
753-0720. Last I spoke with him he had them, if not he can probably get
you them. Don't know what they'll cost.

Good Luck !

- --

Bill !

1986 Cutlass 442 "The Perfect 10"             _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1998 Chevrolet Blazer 4x4              |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34      |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


* * * * * * * * *
* COMING  SOON * --------> www.3STICKS.com
* * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 2/2/98)

mailto:3STICKS2stjohns.edu

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:44:12 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: '76 production totals

> > From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> > Does ANYBODY out there have the production figures for the '76
> Cutlasses???  I'd
> > much appreciate it if someone could post it!  Thank you!  Have a good
> day.  :)
>

> Cutlass S hardtop Coupe            -       59179
> Colonnade Hardtop Sedan          -       34994
> Cutlass Supreme hardtop Coupe -       186647
> Colonnade Hardtop Sedan          -       37112
>
> Hope these help you trevor
>
> Robert Schinkel

Indeed they do, Rob!  Thanx a lot.  Under the "Cutlass Supreme hardtop
Coupe" section, is that were the Broughams are located?  You don't have any
figures for how many Broughams were produced, eh?  Or did they not bother
publishing such figures?  Also, might you know how many (if any) of this
vintage Cutlass came with a stick (standard)?  Thanks again, Rob!

PS - Sorry about the lack of communication in real life, I've been workin
my butt off for the last 2 weeks getting my queue of calls down - I'll be
getting in touch with you in the next week or so and I'll pop by.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:38:14 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: window tint (long)

I'm not sure who started this thread but I'll put in my experiences on
this.  Black/smoked window tint can make almost any car look better!!  I
dislike that purple stuff too. A lot of creases or air bubbles also takes
away from the quality look on a tint job. I have tint on my '85 Cutlass and
I've done it over two or three times because I wasn't satisfied, and I'll
probably wind up doing it again soon. If you're not satisfied with the
first outcome, redo it as soon as possible.  The glue is kind of a pain to
remove after it's been on a year or two, especially if you have an electric
rear window defogger. (It's hard to clean between those electric strips
without damaging them.)

This stuff is easy to put on yourself, I definately don't think it's worth
the $200-300 some places charge.  The key is to have patience, a clean work
area, a warm work area (the warmer the better) and the right tools.

First you might want to check with local laws, as some places only allow a
certain darkness and only on some windows.  Like here in Jersey, you're not
supposed to have tint on any window from the driver's seat forward, but
anything behind the driver is OK.

Work area:  Should be done inside in a clean dust free garage if possible.
I did one of my windows outside on a windy day.  It looked alright until I
noticed all the fine dust particles and pollen stuck between the tint and
window.  It should also be warm out (not in direct sunlight though).  I say
above 60-65'.  I was trying to do my friends C*m*ro one day in early
spring, the first strip went on pretty good and then the temp. dropped a
few degrees and the tint got all brittle, creased and ripped.  I ruined
about $40 worth of tint that day.

Tools: A very sharp razor blade is a must.  Anything too dull will not cut
well and wind up ripping the tint.  A soft rubber squeegee is also a must.
Find one like the ones you see in the buckets at gas stations.  I think I
bought one at K-mart. Remove the handle and just use the squeegee part.
This is good to remove all the soapy water that is used to activate the
glue on the tint.  It covers a wider area faster and won't scratch the tint
either.  It's alot better than the credit card sized hard plastic thing you
get with a tint kit.  But keep that small squeegee because it's usefull for
doing small sail panel windows and doing the finishing touches along the
edges of the other windows. An extra pair of hands is also a good idea when
dealing with large peices of tint.

Patience:  Take your time and do not rush.  Measure the tint out about
1/2-1 inch oversize to give you some leeway.  If doing a very large or very
curved window use several 6" wide strips to cover the window. Overlap them
about 1/4"  The soapy water helps the tint slide around on the window for
positioning.  Don't be afraind to use too much water,  it won't hurt your
interior or anything.

Other things to think about:  How dark do you  want to go?  I have 30
percent light transmittance tint on my car now.  It's pretty light (but
still looks good) compared to, say 3 percent limo tint.  It's still
sometimes difficult to see out my back window at night, especially if I'm
trying to back up.  An electric rear window defogger ~will~ still work with
tint.  And keep in mind those laws.  I have tint on my door windows (which
is illegial) but have never been really bothered by the cops.  Then again
it's kinda light and I don't cause any trouble ;-)  I've never noticed a
real temperature difference in using tint but I'm sure it helps, same with
the fading fabric thing.

I hope this is of benefit to someone.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutalss Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:50:13 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Sad day for me

> gears back in her.  But I will miss the suprised look on the faces of so
> many when a 1970 Cutlass Conv. launches with the front tire coming off the
> ground and just blows the doors off most street toys.  At least I have her
> on video to remember the good old days.
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
> 1970 442 Convertible
> 1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
> 1970 Rallye 350
> 1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)

Are you gonna bring the W-31 down to Tune Town this year then, Bob??  (I
forget
the condition of it....is it running?).  Or are you just going to be more of
a
"show" guy this year?  (my friend counted on you for at least some of the
action to capture on his camcorder!  :)  He'll be quite disappointed if
"Squeely Bob" wasn't so squeely anymore!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:56:18 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Inter Active Car Show

When I was voting for Jason last night I noticed there is another Cutlass in
Hall #3. So I sent them a email last night asking if I could voting for more
than one car if they are in different halls. This is the response I got this
morning.

>Hi Daren & Laurie!
>
>You can vote for every participant that you like. By writing that sentence
>we just whant to prevent one participant to vote 100 times for his own
>vehicle or for his friend vehicle. When the vote are compiles we know that
>the same person have vote more then ounce for the same vehicle and when to
>many votes has been enter by the same computer we just not add them to the
>result.
>
>Hope that clear your question.
>
>Walter Laframboise
>Publisher at AUTO4WORLD.COM

So put your votes in.
http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom3.html

Jason is currently in second and the other Cutlass is tied for first.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:06:49 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Boxed Lower Control Arms

> Anyone willing to part with a set of G.M.boxed lower control arms please
let
> me know, also a rear sway bar.
> Al Frey
> alpha1@airmail.net

What are boxed control arms anyways?  How are they different than regular
arms??  I've just always wondered this and never took the opportunity to
ask!
:)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:22:13 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting Rods

Tracy H. Shires wrote:

> >Hey
> >Do you have an AOD trans? >
>
> I put in some 3.73's and had to get a 200r4.. So yes I have overdrive
now.. I would love to get those lighting rods in there, my shifter, well
sucks, for lack of a better term.. Any help in finding a set for me would be
GREATLY appreciated.

Gack!  I hope not.  An "AOD" is a Ford tranny, despite the obvious acronym.

Anyhow, you may not have much luck finding lightning rods.  They're not made
anymore, although I'm told that Hurst (Mr. Gasket) still services/rebuilds
them and therefore must have all the parts available.  I occassionally see a
set for sale in
"Thunder and Lightning" (H/OCA newletter), but they're always expensive.
The woodgrain shifter bezel is made of unobtainium too.  However, there is
hope!  I saw an ad a short time ago (I don't remember where) saying that
Hurst was bringing
back their lightning rods shifters!  I haven't heard anything since, and I'm
sure these won't be exactly the same as the H/O models, but they should be
functionally the same.  Might want to check at your local speed shop to see
if they can get
'em.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds #2118
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:25:25 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: '76 production totals

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> >Does ANYBODY out there have the production figures for the '76
Cutlasses???
> I'd
> >much appreciate it if someone could post it!  Thank you!  Have a good
day.

> Cutlass S
> hardtop coupe    59179
> hardtop sedan    34994
>
> Cutlass Sup.
> hardtop coupe    186647
> hardtop sedan    37112
>
> Cutlass Sup. Cruiser    13964
>
> Vista Cruiser    20560
>
> Cutlass Salon
> hardtop coupe    48440
> hardtop sedan    7921
>
> Cutlass Sup. Brougham
> hardtop coupe    91312
>
> Engines
> L22 250cid  105hp
> LV8 260cid  110hp
> L34 350 cid  170hp
> L74 455cid  190hp
>
> Daren

Well, that's about exactly what I was looking for, thank you ever so much,
Daren!  Is there a book or anything in particular you got this info from?
Something maybe I should pick up???  Thanx again!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:36:39 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: The "Olds"-Files

I saw that!  The episode opens with a close-up shot of the grille,
filling the *whole* screen, then it pans back to show the bumper, then
up the hood to show the people inside.  My SO just kinda rolled her eyes
when I leaned forwards to the TV and said "Ooh!  Cutlass!".

Aside from that, I thought the episode was pretty stupid.  I turned it
off about 15 minutes into it, so I didn't get to see the Cutlass again.

M&D Gillespie wrote:

> The main protaginist(?)  in tonight's x-files is driving an 86 or 87
> Cutlass.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds #2118
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:02:45 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Center Caps for Ralley Wheels

>I've got the 15" Olds Ralleys on my '76 Cutlass (are those the SSIIs or
>SSIIIs??) painted the same colour as the car.   The center cap with the
>logo in it also has a background that's the same colour as the car (a
>very deep, dark red).  I'm just wondering if that is the standard colour
>for these center cap backgrounds or does that colour change with the
>colour of the car they came on?  Is that colour easy to change if

I'm quite certain that all those center caps had red backgrounds. The fact
that they match your car's color is just a happy coincidence.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:18:24 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: VSO???????

>> in the garage is a 75 Cutlass S.
>>   This car has only 35,000 miles and has a very solid body and like
[snip]
>> striping, rubber bumper strips, rally wheels, and has decals on both
>> front fenders and trunk lid saying "VSO" underneth the Cutlass badges.
>>
>>   What is this car? Nobody around here seeems to have heard of VSO. Is
>> it rare? Is it worth anything? Please help.

"Very Special Option"? "Vehicle Somebody Ordered"? C'mon, Karl, where are
you when we need you? ;)

>   it stands for "very special olds" I remember when these came
>out...don't really know about the production figures....wish i had more

As noted before, this would be a regional or dealer promotion option, with
or without the factory's blessing. Probably very rare today, but not worth
more than a similar car without that option, and if the option isn't done
well, it could be worth less than a car without any dealer add-ons (the
designs for these options would be at the discretion of the dealer or
marketing team, so the quality depended on their taste; when it's good,
it's good, but when it's bad, it's fake convertible tops on 4-door Achievas
with simulated gold-plated emblems and obviously-aftermarket wire-wheel
covers. Rare, perhaps, but for good reason... :p  (just for the record, if
I was ever convicted of a major moving-vehicle offense, the worst
punishment I could imagine is being forced to drive a F*rd Tempo 4-door
automatic with a fake convertible roof, red velour interior, and plastic
wire-wheel covers. I'd rather do time...)

The car you describe sounds very nice; if the "VSO" badges are discreet,
then they wouldn't detract from the value of the car. I don't imagine that
they would add more than $5 to the value of the car, though, in even the
best of circumstances, even if it is the sole surviving example. It does
sound like a beauty, though! Too bad the house I bought didn't come with
one of those in the garage...
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:01:26 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question

>       I recall reading that old Old's diesels make fantastic starting
points for very
>strong gas motors.  The picture that remains in my mind is one of
traditional Olds
>interchangability in the areas of exhaust, engine mounting specs, and
basic block design,
>with the idea being that with a change of heads, intake & pistons you get
a four bolt
>bottem end and other such heavy-duty advantages in your gas motor.  The
details are fuzzy
>however.  Anyone?

Yes, they are a great starting point; Mondello has the details on this swap
in his catalog. The short-block remains untouched (it's only a 2-bolt, btw,
though it's of heavier construction all around, with BB main bearings),
with some work to eliminate the injector pump and get the proper alignment
of the timing chain. I believe the pistons are flat-tops, so Mondello
recommends the '77-'79 403 "4A" heads for liveable compression on the
street (besides, their 1/2" head bolts make these a direct bolt-on). That
would make a great towing motor, or high-rpm monster with some porting and
bigger exhaust valves.

We should add a "how-to" section to the FAQ, for frequently-asked-about
procedures like these (along with "Small-block -> big-block swap",
"Toro-engine -> RWD swap", "Single -> Dual Exhaust swap", "Increasing your
403's compression with earlier heads", "2-bbl -> 4-bbl swap", "Points ->
HEI swap", "External voltage regulator -> Internal Voltage regulator",
"Big-block -> G-body swap", "TH-xxx -> TH-200R4 swap", etc...)

Heck, an enterprising individual could gather all those miscellaneous
pieces required for such procedures, and sell swap "kits" with all the
required essentials, the way that Mondello does for the "Diesel -> Gas"
swap. Are you listening, Jim C? Repro exhaust caps for the RH SB manifold
next on your list, along with the proper pipes and crossmember would make a
nice dual-exhaust kit for a G-body or even a B/C body... :)

>> I was under our '78 truck today tightening up the driver's side exhaust
and got a
>> good look at the dual exhaust.  It's got an Olds 350 with true 2" duals
all the way
>> back.  It has a cover on the pass side which takes the place of the
"plug" you just
>> fabricated, and from what I've heard these covers are almost made of
unobtainium.
>> Since the truck has one, and it was converted from a diesel, I was
wondering if maybe
>> diesel trucks would be a good source for these covers?  Since diesels
don't have a
>> throttle and run wide-open all the time, it would make sense that they'd
have really
>> good exhaust systems.

I think those systems may have come with duals from the factory; I just so
happened to park next to a beat-up old Ch*vy pickup today here at work, and
I noticed the "Diesel" badge. I looked underneath, and it looked like it
had an Olds engine in there, with a dual exhaust, though the pan had the
clearance for the crossover pipe. The exhaust was newer, though, so I don't
know if it was converted. I didn't climb under there far enough to see how
the extra manifold outlet was capped (I'm in my teaching attire, and I do
have some degree of propriety left... :). Anyway, I've seen and heard this
truck before, and I suspect it's been converted over to gasoline with a
complete engine swap. I'm holding onto my sets of 403 "4A" heads for that
diesel block in my future.

If there's ever a "for-sale" sign in that truck's window, though, I think
I'll have to make an offer.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:44:26 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED A CARB!

>My '71 442 needs a new carb (q-jet). If you have an extra, please e-mail
>me.
>The threads at the the opening where the fuel filter goes are stripped
>out.  Since this is part of the casting,  I don't see how if can be
>fixed.  Of course, I could be wrong.  If I am, tell me how.

This is such a common problem that there have been some fixes devised so
you don't have to replace the carb body.

1) [the best solution] There is a helicoil the size of that filter housing
thread, which would be a nice, strong, permanent solution; unfortunately,
it seems that only the bigger carb shops are privy to the source of these
size coils. We may have to go straight to the company for the data on this
one

2) [an acceptable solution] As Karl A. has pointed out, there are oversize,
self-tapping filter housings that cut new threads in there. These work as
long as you don't overtighten *these*, since I don't think they have
increasingly-larger self-tapping units (like a +1, +2, or +3 self-tapping
unit, for those "enthusiastic" do-it-yourselfers... :)

3) [a poor solution, but what I did when I was younger] If you eliminate
the filter in the carb body, you can JB-Weld the stripped filter housing
into the carb body, and simply use an inline filter (maybe before the fuel
pump). What would be *ideal* for this setup would be a fuel-filter with
those 3/8" flare fittings on both ends, but I haven't found such animals.
You could always use an inline filter with a *short* length of rubber hose
to connect it to the solid line, but running rubber hose from the fuel pump
up to the carb is a VERY BAD IDEA!

So, you can save your old carb; see if you can find anything on that
Helicoil solution; we'd like to know!
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:23:25 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: cylinder ridge

>If you can feel it, make it go away. They make a nice device to do just
that,
>about $30 for a good one. Cuts just the ridge away. If you don't remove the
>ridge, the rings can hit on it, esp. during a high speed and/or high temp
run,
>and break off the lower ring lands, break the rings, score the cylinder,
etc.

I thought that the only purpose of a ridge-reamer was to remove the ridge
so you could remove the pistons; I didn't realize that it was designed so
that pistons could just be put back in there after the ridge was cut down.
Is that what you meant? I'd imagine that any cylinder with a ridge would
also have quite a bit of taper as well, but then again, I'm not a
machinist, so I'm always interested in learning these things.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:30:51 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Gasket Replacement

>I took my Cutlass in this weekend to get the oil changed.  Now, please
don't
[snip of wimp-out on really easy job... ;) ]
>ASAP.  Anyway, 8-) the place said that my oil pan gasket is leaking
severely
[snip]
>I got it (almost 3 years ago) and the bottom the oil pan was black and
sludgy,
>like there was a leak, but I think a severely leaking oil pan gasket would
leave
>oil on the ground when parked.  I check the oil level often, and I'm never
low.
[snip]
>Okay, my real question:  is this on any real concern?  I'd take it to my
usual
>garage to have it done, and if I had extra money, I'd to it because it
does look
>like it's leaking, but I don't think it's as bad as $200!  Has anyone else
had
>problems in this area?  Again, I will get it done if it looks like to be a
major
>problem, but it's been this way for 3 years at least, and no one's ~ever~
said
>anything.  Is this shop just yanking my chain?

First, I'd snug down those oil-pan bolts, just to make sure your culprit
isn't just a loose pan. After that doesn't fix it, I'd degrease the bottom
of that engine, so you can diagnose where the oil is coming from. It may be
leaking from the sending unit, or from the intake manifold end-seals, or
from the distributor shaft, or the rear seal, or any number of places.

Then, once you have pinned down the source of the leak, assess its
severity. You can leak without dripping a drop on the ground. As you note,
however, it's not severe enough to cause your oil level to dip, so I
wouldn't be overly concerned. As a rule of thumb, it's only worth fixing a
leak if the cost of replacing lost oil over the course of one year exceeds
the price of the repair, or if you're going to be tearing into the engine
anyway. There are very few leaks that a $12 case of oil in the trunk won't
solve...
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:33:04 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 76' Production totals

>> This isn't complete but it's all I have.  (Hope it helps even a little)
>>
>> 1976 (W-29 option)
>>
>> Model  G-37,  Cutlass S hardtop coupe  =  9,576

I haven't answered, since I thought someone else would chime in right away.
Just for the record, "Setting the Pace" has complete production figures for
all years of Oldsmobiles in an Appendix, though the breakdown is by model,
not by option. They also list all the engine codes and availability, if you
ever wanted to know what engines were available in a given model, and what
the factory referred to them as.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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