
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, December 17 1997    Volume 01 : Number 1014



RE [2]: Dec JWO
Re: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: My car on TV again!
Re: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
RE: License Plates
Re: Rev limiters
RE: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
Re: power tour /top speed limiters
Rally Pac Compatibility for 1970 442
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: A little humor and off the wall question
Re: UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass
Re: Talking to ourselves
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
TRANSMISSION: O-Ring
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: A little humor and off the wall question
Re: License Plate ideas...
68 Cutlass S interior
oldsmobile list
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: Garage Heating?
greg beulieu
Re: UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass
Re: Quad 4 Ignition, PCV and Foaming Oil
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'
First-time post
Re: 68 Cutlass S interior
Re:Licence Plate ideas...
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)
Re: Intro and Olds 350 questions
Re: A little humor and off the wall question
Re: Power Tour
Re: License Plate ideas... bad ratings..
Olds History Center
Re: power tour /top speed limiters
Re: Quad 4 head gaskets (long)
Vacuum Modulator
Aerotech
Spotted on the way in to work
Re: Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Old Racer's Trick
SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: Garage Heating?.....   Part 2

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 07:40:42 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: RE [2]: Dec JWO

>Hear hear - although my 13 year old is a bit under-enthused about the
>prospect of the '64 being his when he's driving age.
>
>I was wondering if that picture was your litte one.  Congrats!!
>Lisa Madsen
Yes, as Bufford T. Justice once said, he is "...the product of my loins." I 
found the bib in the swap meet, but forget the vendor.  The picture was 
taken after his lunch bottle during the Centennial Parade.  He slept 
through 2/3rds of the Parade in Lansing, but he did enjoy seeing all the 
pretty cars during the week.  I think I had the only car on display w/ a 
baby seat installed (Lot HH behind the Lansing Center - 1994 Eighty Eight 
LSS).  Don't worry, no finger prints were left by Eli or me on any Olds at 
the Centennial, just alot of drool on the pavement next to alot of Olds. 
(Both his & mine)

Eli was 3 months old in that picture and at 4 months went to his first Saturday 
night Cruise and drive-in movie (Hercules & George of the Jungle)  

Man I hope when he gets older he likes cars :-}

End of this BARELY Olds related thread.

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| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:03:46 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...

Get well and go beat the hell out of your car when you feel better.  Do
some big hole shots in front of your house and all the fun stuff!

Drew Walz
DREWZILLA RACING

- ----------
> From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 11:07 AM
> 
> 
> God Dave
> 
> Hope you get better!
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 09:50:42 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

     I've got a set with centers in nice condition.  The caps have some 
     minor pitting, the "poly" is in nice shape.  
     
     About 7 yrs ago I had a '71 88 coupe with chrome Buick rims.  One day 
     I drove past a beat Impala with the Olds polycasts, I couldn't believe 
     it!  I knocked on the door of the house that the car was parked at.  
     Took me about a half hour to talk the guy into swapping me the 
     polycasts for the "nice shiny chrome" Buick rims.  (his English wasn't 
     too good, probably why it took so long) Only had three center caps, 
     found the fourth at a swap meet.
     
     So, I no longer have the '71 (It was sharp - black, gold body side 
     stripe, gold wheels) but I have the wheels.  If someone wants them, 
     make me an offer.
     
     Vince Knight - knightvd@norand.com
     
     71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

     Pennsylvania


______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at smtpgate
Date:    12/16/97 6:52 AM


- ---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
<SNIP>I suppose you could go for a set of SSIV polycasts if you could 
find them... offered on senior cars up to '76 I'd guess, 5" pattern 
therefore, nice-looking wheel too!
     
!!!!!!!!
Funny you should mention that. My '72 88 has the SSIVs......I think 
I'll bolt them on the '65 88 and see how they look! I would like to 
have a second set but.......hard to find!

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:11:08 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

> >Tim (To Keep Sane Around here, Ya Hafta Do Crazy Things!) Churchill

> Tim,
> 
> That must make you one of the sanest of the bunch.
> 
> Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net

Thanks. I take comfort from those words, as I seem to recall you saying
you are (were?) in the psych(o) industry... nothing like expert opinion!

:) :) :)


Now, off to catch a plane for Canaveral!  See y'all next week!


Tim (Wishes He Could Rent a Cutlass Convt. for the Trip) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:19:22 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: My car on TV again!

Ray wrote:
>
> of the driving car.  If anyone happened to notice the front end of an 87
> Cutlass at (I believe) the Denver spot, that was mine!  Next year, I hope
> for at least a background profile shot!

Was that yours?  It was a dark color?  I saw a late model (I figured it was
a 442) parked at a car-show looking event; it was in the middle of the
Power Tour, it could've been the Denver location...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:49:13 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...

Sorry to hear about your rad cap.  I hope you get to feeling better.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:40:51 EST
From: NotDads442 <NotDads442@aol.com>
Subject: RE: License Plates

That's my screen name, and soon to be my tag in KS.

<<NOTDADS - I kinda like this>>

Cecil
notdads442@aol.com
1991 W41
OCA#29604

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:48:54 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Rev limiters

Hi all,

Which years came with rev limiters?  Are they only for those with
computer controllers?

Chris

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:21:22 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...

Sorry to hear that Dave. I hope the pain goes away soon. This is
something that could happen to any of us. Let's be careful out there!
Sometimes I think we admire these cars so much that we lose sight that
they can hurt us. Please use caution when working on these cars. Your
rad incident is quite possible for anyone of us. I'd take a close look
at that rad cap and see if the tabs we bent back. If so I'd question the
material the thing was made out of -- cheap, and if so then talk to a
lawyer. Car manufacturers are always putting warning stickers near the
rad for this very reason. Ssshuder.....

Fernando Proietto
A/Manager
Systems Analyst - Informatics Division
Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:38:23 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: power tour /top speed limiters

>Has anyone had any experience with the top-speed limiters that GM
>installs on the newer fuel injected cars?  My Seville cuts out at 
>115 MPH.  

I have had our Aurora up to around 130, which is where the limiter 
(governor?) kicked in.  I don't know about any other newer GM engines 
though.   I have heard you can remove this limiter, but to get to it 
you have to remove the tranny, so I don't know if its worth it (or 
even possible with today's cars).

Joe dealing with "Exam Week Blues" in the Ohio River valley.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:53:00 -0800
From: "Aguilar, Joseph A." <Aguilar@courier8.aero.org>
Subject: Rally Pac Compatibility for 1970 442

Hello,

Does anyone out there know if the Rally Pac for a 1969 442 is the same as the 
one for a 1970 442.  I have the 1970 442 and want to replace the standard 
gauges with the rally ones.  I want them to be the same as the ones offered 
for the 1970 442.  Thanks in advance.

Joseph

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:15:09 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

>Olds mobile wrote:
>>
>> > >> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
>


My son named the '65 98 the "Great White Shark". He was just 6 years old at
the time and named it at first site! The X called it "Conway" (for Conway
Twitty). That's just one reason she's the X...

I typically don't name rides (unless using 4 letter words while working on
it)...


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:47:15 -0000
From: "GREGG GREER" <gregg@inficad.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question

You people are hilarious. Talking to cars out loud and having conversations
with your cars??  But seriously, sometimes I talk to my car too (out loud
in public) and I, like some of you, DO believe my car has it's own
personality and have developed quite a relationship with 'her' over the
years especially since I've grown up with her since she was new and I was
just a little tyke and the family would take cross-country vacations in her
and I got carsick and threw-up in the back seat of her and she was, and
still is, extremely dependable and would deliver the family safely to
wherever the destination....(Sorry, didn't mean to ramble on like
that....).  Anyway, I have'nt really given her a name as I've just always
called her 'girl' (I know, real original isn't it?) since I've been driving
her and she becomes extremely offended when others call her names like
"Gutlass" (by the way, the guy that called her that was ' whupped ' that
same day by her. He was drivin' a piece-o-cr*p 72 Nova and it was'nt even
close. Needless to say he did'nt refer to her as gutlass after that), and
"The Tank", and especially "Piggy" as she was referred to ("'cause she
inhales fuel") by my then girlfriend. Boy howdy, she shouldn't have called
her that because shortly thereafter wierd and strange things would happen
to my girlfriend whenever my girlfriend would drive the car (or attempt to
drive the car) and nobody else was present. In one instance, as the
girlfriend was traveling down a city street the car's throttle somehow
became stuck and the car even continued to accelerate with her foot off of
the accelerator pedal (so the girlfriend says) until she was barreling down
the road at almost 90 mph in a 40 mph zone. After the initial panic and
terror subsided, she finally came to her senses enough to remember to shift
to neutral and turn off the ignition and pulled off of the road. She called
me from a pay phone and I came over and inspected the throttle and linkage
and pedal and anything else I thought could've caused such a thing but
could'nt seem to find anything wrong (there was a vacuum line close to the
throttle that maybe could've caused it).  So I started her up and she idled
fine and I drove the car home without any further incident since (the
girlfriend drove the other car home and would'nt step foot into 'girl'
again until I assured her it was safe and that it was just a freak thing). 
The girlfriend got over that incident she again was ready to drive the car
only this time as she attempted to start the car, it wouldn't start for her
let alone the engine even turnover.  She came and got me and I thought that
was odd since the battery was brand new and the starter and solenoid were
fairly new also. I got in the car and it started right up and did'nt have a
problem.  So she took off in the car to run some errands and shortly after
leaving the warning lights come on (all of them - oil, alt, temp) and at
this point she believes the car is possesed.  Again she calls me from a
payphone and I come to get her and check things out (the fluid levels,
etc.) and start the car and drive it home but nothing unusual happens and
this hasn't happened since. Anyway, I told my girlfriend jokingly (even
though I was partly serious) that the car was actin' up only for her
because it did'nt like that she referred to it as "piggy" and that is why
these wierd things happening only when she drove it (well, maybe the car
was kinda jealous of my girlfriend too since I was spending so much time
with her and not as much time with the car as I used to...). So my
girlfriend, being as crazy as I am in that we both talk to inanimate
objects, actually apologized to the car. Since then she has been able to
drive the car by herself without any other strange and mysterious things
happening and she has even grown extremely fond of the car insomuch as she
appreciates it and cherishs it as much as I do and she is even helping me
partially restore it and we are now happily married and now she refers to
it as "my baby". Are we insane or what!?:-)

Gregg "this WAS my fathers Oldsmobile" Greer
AZ
'70 SX W-32

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:57:38 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Anyone want to sell this fellow a '73? Contact him directly... not on
> the list.

No thank you. He'd hate all the work he'd have to do to get mine back
together.

- -- 
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:03:04 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Talking to ourselves

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> RC admists:
> I DO talk to my 4-4-2.  Out loud
> too! (no kidding)
> 
> I can probably top that - when I walk away from my VC I have the habit of
> patting her 'nose' or tail lights.  I just like to tell her goodbye.  Yep,
> we definately need a life.

Naw, it's just showing our appreciation to our rides. Y'know, they've
been so good to us and provide us with glamor no matter how hard we beat
on them. It's like a pet. I do it to both my cars, it's just I prefer to
take a rolled up newspaper to my Caprice (CraPiece) if you know what I
mean.

("You piece of ....!!!!" *kick* *dent*) =p
- -- 
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:23:01 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

> > 
> > >> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
> > 
Yes, I call mine the "Blue Bomber", my boss called it that when I 
first bought it and it was a piece of junk, then started restoring 
it. Hey, anyone wants to take a peak at it, its at 
http://www.angelfire.com/il/mikeblahblah/index.html
Scroll down until you see cars, pics of me are up top.

1977 Cutlass Supreme 350 4bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:20:33 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: TRANSMISSION: O-Ring

Dear Olds List:

Last weekend I enjoyed our 20 degrees above normal weather and changed the 
oil in my transmission.  The car is a 72 98, T400 tranny.  The job went 
messy, of course, but that's allowed an expected.. Now, when I'm pouring the 
oil I caught into a container to be re-used, I found a small O-ring.  I'm 
not worried too much, since everything seems A-OK, but I would like to know 
if any loose O-rings sit around the bottom of a transmission?  The o-ring is 
about the size of the tube that hooks into the oil-filter.  I am guessing 
that maybe it goes on the 3-4 inch tube that goes betweeen the transmission 
and filter?  I over-filled the transmission by accident, and had to lower 
the fluid level by releasing the cooler line, and the pump has good pressure 
going through the lines...  The car appears fully operational, but I'm just 
curious if there are any O-rings that could-have fallen out?  I did have the 
tube off that goes between tranny and filter, but it fit back on tight.. 
 Unless this poses problems, I do not intend to take the pan off, unless I 
have too.  (BTW, I did not have anything else apart, and I am not posotive 
the O-ring couldn't belong to something else).


Thanx

EA
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/pics/gobstopper/

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:33:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

Around here you have to have a heated and insulated garage if you intend 
to do any serious work during much of the year. 

I always thought the ideal way to heat it would be with radiant hot water 
in the floor, but that gets expensive. I am a little leery of kerosene 
heaters because they dump a lot of moisture into the air unless they are 
exhausted to the outdoors, and I haven't seen one that does that. I am 
not a huge fan of gas heaters, or gas furnaces either, becuase I am 
frankly scared of gas vapors in a garage environment.

Around here most people heat with oil. One of my friends bought a used 
mobile home furnace which mounts on a wall and uses a metal chimney on 
the outside. He needed a separate oil tank but the whole setup cost less 
than $1000 and works very well. Another fellow with a bigger garage is 
buying a new high-efficiency furnace. He is getting a deal from a 
neighbor who works at the company and is paying around $800 for a 
75,000BTU oil furnace. He'll need to add a tank but this one doesn't need 
a chimney, just a vent thru the outside wall.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:34:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question

<snip>
> Boy howdy, she shouldn't have called
> her that because shortly thereafter wierd and strange things would
happen
> to my girlfriend whenever my girlfriend would drive the car (or
attempt to
> drive the car) 
<snip>

Greg,

Have you considered "Christine".


==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:49:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

Once I start driving my Cutlass again, I hope to get plates that read: 
"SQKMOFF".  My 455 earned me the nickname Squawk 'Em Off Elder in 
high school.  I would light 'em up all over the place
(unfortunately once in front of a real b*st*rd of a cop).  Within 7 
letters this is the perfect message for my car.

Jeremy "Squawk 'Em Off" Elder
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302  

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:13:25 -0700
From: Art Pforr <artp@iem.com>
Subject: 68 Cutlass S interior

I am about to start on the interior restoration of my 68 Cutlass S. I have
collected catalogs and price lists. Anyone care to share do's and don't s. I
have found a pair of original 68 bucket seats. The ones form my car a gone.
The pair I got are black and my interior is green. Any tips for how to
prepare and color the hard parts green?
IEM, Inc.
Art Pforr
Customer Service
Hardware Technical Support
Phone 970-221-3005
Fax 970-221-3709
artp@iem.com
http://www.iem.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:58:27 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: oldsmobile list

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:56:48 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

AEROTECH wrote:
> 
> >
> >You must mean PCV...the EGR system has nothing to do with the crankcase
> >vapours.
> 
> The EGR takes the unburnt gas vapors from the crankcase and recircualtes
> them through the engine. this is why the Q4 has no PCV and EGR. they work
> together.

OK.  I'm gonna push the "I believe" button.  This is getting WAY too
confusing to pursue. I was sure the "E" in EGR stood for "Exhaust".  I
will do the only thing I know how on this when it comes to gathering
information.  FOFM. (find out for myself)

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:14:35 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

I'll say it's a waste!!! First of all, insulate your garage, both sides
and bottom. In Va, where I used to live, you shouldn't need more that 50K
btu's. I have had occasion to enjoy those ROUGH Va. winters(LOL) but
they're nothing compared to the upper midwest or Canada. I insulated my
garage and on the 30 degree days we've had here this winter, I just use a
little 15K btu kerosene space heater. The fumes aren't too bad, but be
AWARE, CO(carbon monoxide) is odorless, colorless, etc and is definitely
a killer up here. CO is also generated by propane heaters as well as
kerosene. I think just some good insulation will keep you a lot warmer
and try some of these vent free gas heaters that have an automatic
shutoff and CO detector . I would feel more comfortable suggesting that.
OR, you could pay VEPCO even more and get a vented gas heater(which would
be your best and safest bet).

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:08:55 -0500 Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
writes:
>Hi All
>
>I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage. The 
>heater
>that was installed in the garage when I bought the place went on the 
>fritz,
>and I'm looking to replace it. Although, after reading Greg's post 
>about
>looking forward to a 30 degree day to do radiator work, it seems like 
>folly
>to heat a Virginia garage.
>Ray
>Alexandria, VA
>'70 442 Conv.
>'70 Cutlass Conv.
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:30:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: greg beulieu

greg,
I just got an email from mantapart about getting on the olds list.  
Please email mantapart@aol.com to let them know how to do it.  Im really 
not sure myself how i did it, it seemed very confusing.

shaun
q4 guru

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:34:22 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > Anyone want to sell this fellow a '73? Contact him directly... not on
> > the list.

This ad was in the local Auto Trader. Usual disclaimers apply, etc, etc.


1973 Olds Cutlass Supreme, 350 V8, auto, ps, pb, ac, 49k miles, ORIGINAL
CAR,no rust, great for restoration.  $3,000 or best offer.  Picture
shows SS wheels. (606) 261-9090 Carthage Auto Sales

606 area code is the eastern half of Ky.

I don't have the address of the guy looking for a 73, so please forward
appropriately.  

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:39:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 Ignition, PCV and Foaming Oil

cecil,
good observations, all of what he says is true.  there is a vac hose from 
the oil seperator to the intake manifold.  As far as someone saying that 
the GM engineer knows these cars better than us, hey im an architect, 
aerotech is an engineer and my father worked on Oldses for 19 yrs.  Is 
that enough experience of design and q4's?

shaun
q4 guru

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, NotDads442 wrote:

> <<The Quad 4 has direct ignition - i.e. the coils are mounted directly to the
> plugs with no wires.  One problem if I recall is that the plastic cover
> that the coils are mounted in (the one that says "Quad 4") typically cracks
> after many miles causing misfires.
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant>>
> 
> Not quite true:  The cover on my car is aluminum not plastic, perhaps the
> newer 2.4l engines are though.  It is the plastic/rubber piece that the coils
> mount to that breaks down thus causing the shorts between coils and mis-firing
> not the cover itself.
> 
> Now regarding the PCV system on the Quad 4.  No it doesn't have a PCV valve.
> It does have an oil seperator.  If I remember right, I haven't looked at my
> engine in several months, but I think there is a piece of vacuum hoes, approx
> .5 inch I.D. that runs from the oil seperator to the intake manifold.  If it
> doesn't run there, it runs to the plastic piece that runs from the air box to
> the intake manifold.  So I believe that it does vent to the intake.  It just
> doesn't have a PCV valve that opens and closes.
> 
> In regards to the foam in the oil.  I have seen this happen with my car after
> short trips, 5-6 miles in town, as stated by someone earlier.  Trips where the
> car can actually get good and warmed up I don't see it.  Of course seeing this
> in the oil my be because my car sits most of the time.  That's why when I do
> drive it I try and drive it for at least 45 minutes or so to make sure it's
> good and warmed up.  I asked a GM tech and was told the same thing about the
> foaming oil, in regards to the condensation on short trips.  I use only Mobil
> 1 perhaps this is a trait of synthetic oils???  I don't know.
> 
> Cecil
> 1991 W41
> OCA# 29604
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:01:00 -0700
From: william goodnight <idaholc@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

I have a 24x36 garage, and talked my local heating dealer out of an old
forced air electric heater.  I disabled all but one set of elements, hooked
it to a thermostadt and wallah!  Electricity is cheap here.  The garage is
well insulated and it does a great job.  It requires a 220v circuit, but
you can get the furnaces free or dirt cheap!  They are also safe around
solvent and paint fumes.

  
Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:00:20 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'

Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> 
> Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
> >
> > The song's about an extremely rare car called an nicknamed the 455
> > Rocket...
> >
> > Anybody know what the car is? Seen the video...Baby blue...4 door I think.
> 
> Someone here said it was a 59 88, hopefully with a 455 dropped in.  If
> anybody's seen the video, what the heck is up with those cheesy emblems?
> Those didn't come off of any Oldsmobile, did they?

They looked like the "455" badges that buick used in the early '70s.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:57:40 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: First-time post

Hi folks! I just subscribed to this list, so I hope these questions haven't
been too hashed over. Here goes:

1) I am interested in directly communicating with anyone who is autocrossing
an Olds, especially if they are in either a 75-80 Starfire in Street Prepared
or an A-Body from 68-72 in C Prepared. I've seen some posts regarding a later
model Cutlass in CP, so I was wondering if anyone else is doing it with an
older one.

2) I also am interested in finding anyone who races a circle-track Olds-
powered car, again especially if it's a 68-72 model.

A word about Moroso's tall valve covers - don't like them. We had them on our
car we raced asphalt circle-track style and never got them to seal. It's
because the correct gaskets (only made by Moroso) are no longer made, and we
had to trim regular ones, which didn't do so well.

Guess that's enough for now. Please stop by our site and look around!

 <A HREF="http://www.chasinracin.com/racers/ksr7/index.htm">Ken Snyder Racing
</A> 

Thanks,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, KS

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:42:14 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 68 Cutlass S interior

>I am about to start on the interior restoration of my 68 Cutlass S. I have
>collected catalogs and price lists. Anyone care to share do's and don't s.
I
>have found a pair of original 68 bucket seats. The ones form my car a gone.
>The pair I got are black and my interior is green. Any tips for how to
>prepare and color the hard parts green?
>IEM, Inc.
>Art Pforr


Art,

Clean everything very well w/a soft brush, soap & water to get off all dirt.
Follow this w/a cleaner such as Acrylclean to get all grease & other
substances off.  Tack the plastic parts w/thinner & then spray the vinyl
color.  Treat the metal items w/wet or dry paper 600.  Prime anything
needing it & spray w/color.

The vinyl seat covers can be recolored, but expect wear in short order and
then a respray.  It is very hard to keep color on vinyl that has abrasive
wear such as the inserts of a seat.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:38:03 EST
From: Big EJ <BigEJ@aol.com>
Subject: Re:Licence Plate ideas...

 Jerry Christopher wrote:

<CUTLASS - Gotta already be taken.


Three or four years ago I changed the plates on both my 442 and 1950 Rocket 88
from standard plates to "antique" plate.  The change was made at the last
moment so I wanted to get standard issue plates, then apply for vanity plates.
(Hadn't really come up with anything appropiate).   The fellow at the registry
asked me if I wanted a "special number" or just take the next available one.
"Because it's a 442 that would be great to have,   but,     it's gotta already
be taken.  And because the other one is an 88 that would be great too,   but,
......................."

Guess what!!   The 442 has a 442 plate and the 88 has an 88 plate.  No extra
charge.   

Everyone must have assumed the same as I did and didn't ask,  or ........do I
own the only two Olds' in the state?


Ernie Johnson  aka
Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50 88

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:56:29 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>OK.  I'm gonna push the "I believe" button.  This is getting WAY too
>confusing to pursue. I was sure the "E" in EGR stood for "Exhaust".  I
>will do the only thing I know how on this when it comes to gathering
>information.  FOFM. (find out for myself)
>
what is so hard to figure out, E does stand for Exhaust, Exhaust vapors
from the crankcase are vented out through an oil separator then to the
throttle body, and back thru the engine. don't make this difficult.

AEROTECH
aka Jeff Verkleeren

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:15:44 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)

Hey all,

Got an interesting phone call tonight.  Some motor-head guy by the name
of "Doc" Watson calls me out of the blue.  Evidently, he has received
the latest issue of the H/OCA Thunder and Lightning, where my article
about the FireFrost Gold paint hunt is printed.  To be honest, I haven't
received my copy yet, so I really wasn't sure why The Shifty Doctor was
calling me.  For anyone not knowing who "Doc" Watson is, he's the key
guy behind the development of the Hurst/Olds.

First off, since I've never met the man, the fact of talking to Doc
himself about H/Os floored me.  I must say, he's a man with a huge
automotive history behind him, and I was very estatic to talk to the
actual "living legend" that helped bring the Hurst/Olds into existence. 
Great guy to talk to.  We spent over an hour on the phone talking Hursts
and paints.

He said he was calling me to offer any kind of help he could about my
quest.  He was really enthused about me trying to hunt down the correct
formula for this elusive paint.  He said my quest for the truth was what
prompted his call.  He said he doesn't do interviews for fear of being
misquoted, so this was a REAL treat for to be looked up by the man
behind the Hurst/Olds.   

He told me that the can of original paint that Demmer has was NOT 28
years old.  More like 3 or 4.  He said it was sent to Demmer by request
for a restoration project back then but was never used.  He contacted
Demmer to tell them about the history of that paint, also. (THAT'S why
that paint was in such good shape.  Makes sense.)

Anyway, the paint Demmer owns is the CLOSEST available under current
technology to the original "Hurst Gold Iridecent" used on the 69 H/O. 
The 69 color was NOT really true FireFrost.  Doc invented the true
FireFrost back in 1963, and was primarily used for custom applications,
such as the Hurst Hemi Under Glass, and other show cars.  The original
FireFrost, though similar, was even more bright than the 69 H/O color. 
He also developed Pontiac's Tiger Gold, as well as the Hurst/Pontiac
SJ's gold in 69 and 70.  However, contrary to popular belief, the
Pontiac golds are NOT the same as the 69 Olds color.  He didn't have the
formula handy for the laquer-based formula he sent Demmer, but he said
he would find it and mail me a copy of it.

The biggest problem with duplicating the original formula that was used
on the 69 H/O is that its constituents are now illegal to make. 
Ammonium Carbide, (his terminology) was used as the "metal flake" in the
paint, and can no longer be easily obtained by legal means.  So for all
intents and purposes, an EXACT copy of the original formula cannot be
obtained.  Doc had the paint specially prepared by DuPont for the H/O
project.

To make a long conversation short, (which we all tend to like here on
the list), he thought it was great that I was trying to do my part on
getting the closest match to original, settling for nothing less.  He
also is willing to help where he can to bring this to fruition also.  He
is now in contact with Demmer Corporation and will be talking to his
"buds" at DuPont in trying to make this a dream come true for us 69 H/O
fans.  Hey, with horsepower behind the paint quest of this magnitude,
I'm sure the paint will become reality.

He even mentioned toying with the fact about reproducing the original
hood scoops for the cars.  He still has the molds.  He doesn't think
that the current reproductions are worth a hoot.  (I, of course, was
encouraging him to do so at this point.)

Just thought I'd share with everyone on the list about an amazing phone
call that I received tonight.

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:35:13 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Intro and Olds 350 questions

In a message dated 97-12-14 10:56:34 EST, you write:

<< 
 > to mine, just wondering what suspension pieces are strong enough for auto-x
 > and what's not.  I'm hesitant to drive it hard (around corners and stuff)
 > because I'm afraid of something breaking.  Am I just paranoid?  
 
 I think this is called "babying" it, also known as non-abuse.  We all
 have this tendancy to do that, however some of us seem to be convinced
 that foreward stress is much better than lateral stress.  (Myself
 included--very much so!)  Perhaps it helps knowing it's much easier to
 lose control on sharp corners than dragstrips...  As for off road
 stuff?  Sure I've done it...  slowly!  >>

Uhhh... Charley.....?  Autocross is a road-going sport, not offroad, as far as
I've always heard/used the term.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:06:02 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question

GREGG GREER wrote:

> these wierd things happening only when she drove it (well, maybe the car
> was kinda jealous of my girlfriend too since I was spending so much time
> with her and not as much time with the car as I used to...). So my
> girlfriend, being as crazy as I am in that we both talk to inanimate
> objects, actually apologized to the car. Since then she has been able to

Funny, I've had just the opposite...  When sorta...  I've had two cars
that used to act up ALL the time...  Put a woman in the car, and poof,
problems gone...  Go looking at another car, POOF no problems for a
while...  In fact, my Mustang II was/is Jealous of the Cutlass...  Poor
car, after taking the Cutlass out on a test drive, and talking to the
guy about "You just sold yourself an Olds..." it didn't crank easily... 
Alomst like a dead battery...  I got it on the road, it started
skipping, got the skipping fixed and back on the road, it started
bucking on the interstate, said some nice choice cuss words at it, and
drove to a junk yard, went inside, talked to the fellow about parts for
Cutlasses, and came out, the car acted like it was flooded, and clunked
going into gear, got back on the interstate, and it over heated....  I
put a little water in it, drove it the rest of the way home, and threw
it in the garage.  ALL THIS IN AN HOUR AND A HALF.  When I got the
Cutlass and brought it home, and played around with it again, almost all
the problems seemed to clear up...  Like it was sticking it's tongue out
at me.  Now, it has come up with a gas leak...  This II REALLY doesn't
wanna go away...  But's that's ok.........  IT WILL BE SOLD BY YHT END
OF THE WEEK! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:34:14 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

In a message dated 97-12-12 01:39:36 EST, you write:

<< > I'll just hop on the tail end (drive down to St. Louis, or something like
 > that), then follow it up to Mich., and then I'll work on that "full tour"
 > thing in a few years.  Hmmm..., just thinking...., when is the Power Tour
 > supposed to be?, and when are the spring Nat'ls. in Springfield?
Conflicting
 > dates possibly?  I'm not sure what the dates for both are (off-hand, at
 > least).
 > 
 > Chris Ruper
 > 
 
 There were a few families last year.  I think that's a great family
 vacation.  A good reason for the kids to miss school, too.  uh?
 
 
 Ray  >>

My problem is the fact of them missing school, and worse yet, it rigfht during
th last two weeks, or so of it....  Otherwise, yes, it is a good way to spend
time together... too much time together.  Kids, remember, are not ones that
like to spend long amounts of time sitting in the car....  But the wife and I
did think it would be a good way for US to spend time together....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:26:25 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas... bad ratings..

Charley Buehner wrote:
>                 WARNING:::  BAD STUFF FOLLOWING!  IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED, DO NOT
> SCROLL DOWN!!!
> 
> Umm, digest members... Sorry.  Close your eyes????  Maybe?
> 
> Here are some plates I've always wanted to see!

Here's those I wanted to see, but doubt they'll clear...

FAH Q  
YOUSUCK

I gotta stop...
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:28:58 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Olds History Center

Sorry to bring this up again.  I know it was gone over quite a bit a few
weeks ago, but to the ones who have actually written to the Olds History
Center,  Did you send a self address stamped envolope?  Or did they pay the
postage and send the information themselves?

Thanks in advanced!!!

Matt
85 442

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:36:09 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: power tour /top speed limiters

Joe Gerschutz wrote:
> 
> >Has anyone had any experience with the top-speed limiters that GM
> >installs on the newer fuel injected cars?  My Seville cuts out at
> >115 MPH.
> 
> I have had our Aurora up to around 130, which is where the limiter
> (governor?) kicked in.  I don't know about any other newer GM engines

We actually have a documented full blown complaint at work...  As many
know I am a mechanic for National Car Rental...  We had a guy when asked
how he liked his rental said "Oh GREAT car..  Love the speed, the power,
the feel, but that rattle in the car at 110 is REAL annoying".  We have
no way to find out where the rattle is in the car at 110, even though I
volunteered FIRST, and LOUDEST... So, if any of you out there rent a
Caddy from National, you know now to look for that rattle at 110! 
hahaha...
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:43:17 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 head gaskets (long)

AEROTECH wrote:

> Let me get you the scoop Jerry didn't think yo would be this interested in
> teh first place. my original LO Q4 is mainy what i speak of when referring
> to engines i have exper with. i swapped to the HO just 2 0r 3 weeks ago. i
> account for no mileage of the HO in my 200K figure. that's all for the LO
> 88 Q4 engine. the HO motor had 60K on it when i put it in. i only put maybe
> 1200mi on it since i put it in? so the summary is.

No, just backing the credibility, that's all...  It's not that I am NOT
interested. you had gaps in your story, seemingly big gaps...  Here you
are talking about how the H/O engine is supposed to act, and that you've
never had any problems with the head gasket.  Then you said you swapped
motors...  And changed the head gasket on the old one at some time.  I
was just pointing out the gaps, and trying the bridge them...  Not
trying to destroy ya or nothing...  <G>  If this is any indication.... 
You put a new motor in, and have 1200miles on it...  That would mean
that the head gasket would not have been changed in the past 1199
miles.  

It's all good bro...  Just take the hits and roll back....  After all,
that's how the Muscle cars came about...
 
> as of today
> 
> Car milage  202K mi
> original engine 200K mi
> new engine 61K
> 
> hope this straightens this out.
> 
> AEROTECH

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:40:47 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Vacuum Modulator

Message text written by INTERNET:Joe Padavano
>My question (Steve Ochs, are you listening?) concerns the fact that 
     for the vacuum modulator to leak fluid, the diaphragm must rupture.  
     That, of course, tends to hamper it's ability to modulate with vacuum,

     but the transmission still shifted fine!  <

It can still work yet still leak heavily.  Remember, it only takes a very
small pinhole in the diaghram to cause a large leak.  This is because the
fluid is under pressure and the opposite side of the diaghram is under
vacuum.  The pressure differential is great causing a large transfer of
fluid.  

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:40:59 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Aerotech

Message text written by INTERNET:Aerotech
>AEROTECH
aka Jeff Verkleeren<

Thanks :)

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:40:39 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Spotted on the way in to work

     Something you don't see every day ('course, there's a reason for 
     that).  A late 70s/early 80s FWD Omega SX 2dr.  Yellow with black 
     stripes and, oh, about a 4 foot high SX sticker on the door (factory). 
     From the screaming chicken school of automotive design:  the size of 
     the logo is inversely proportional to the actual performance...
     
     Now, picture this car with an Aurora drivetrain...Nah, on second 
     thought, the Omega has all the aerodynamics of the crate the Aurora 
     engine comes in.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:02:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)

- ---MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> 
> Got an interesting phone call tonight.  Some motor-head guy by the
name
> of "Doc" Watson calls me out of the blue.  Evidently, he has received
> the latest issue of the H/OCA Thunder and Lightning, where my article
> about the FireFrost Gold paint hunt is printed

Mike,
That is an amazing story. Imagine, a call from Doc Watson!!!
I don't own a 69 H/O, but obviously, the guy that restored my Cutlass,
must have had a "tribute" to the H/O in mind due to the paint scheme
he used. I had no idea who originally restored this car, then I ran
into a guy at a car show who was amazed to see the car. He told me
that a guy he used to work with searched the country to find the right
parts, paint etc. He claimed that the Gold was the original Firefrost.
I know it isn't having seen the real thing in Lansing. He then told me
the guy committed suicide in Aug. of 94 and no one knew what happened
to the car. He also told me where the guy is buried and there is a
picture of him and the car on the tombstone. All, I know is that the
guy I bought it from got it from an estate sale after it had been in
storage for 3 years.
To make a long story short, I am very interested in your quest. I'm
not sure, but maybe I'd even paint the stripes on my "S" with the
original if you ever discover it. Just a little acknowledgement to the
guy that saved this car from the crusher.
==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:08:25 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> >         Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
> > unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:
> >
> >         RVO VUM
> >
> >         It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a rear-view
> > mirror.
>
>       T1 3VOM

        I LIKE IT!!!  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:00:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Old Racer's Trick

>Installed a Performer RPM with basically this method last weekend. It
>seems fine, but all of these dire warnings posted have gotten me
>paranoid.
>How do I tell if it's leaking, (a little/alot?, coolant/compression?)?

For water port leaks, you'd see coolant around the outside of the intake, or
white foamy stuff in your oil. For intake port leaks, look for an erratic
idle (standard vacuum leak check). For a crossover leak, listen for an
exhaust "tick" at the center of the intake manifold. I share the same
paranoia about my Performer on my 403; can't be sure there's no leak, but
I've got no good indication that there *is* one, either.

>Once the car warms up there is no white smoke, but when I ran it in
>the driveway to get it warm enough to set the carb and re-check the
>torque, it left two small puddles of clear water on the ground below
>the trumpets. It definitely seems to be just plain water. It has no
>smell, but I'm not about to taste it.
>Is this just normal condensation?

That's just normal condensation. I don't know if it's the trumpets or what,
but my SX also has sizeable *puddles* at each tailpipe. Did it just this
afternoon.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:00:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

I'm getting steps and steps closer to making my SX into a reliable daily
driver, and I think I've surmounted all but the electrical maladies. Today I
finished patching up my "swiss-cheese" trunk floor: some aluminum sheet
panels, pop-riveted in place, with the edges sealed by some "aluminized"
silicone sealer (usually used for gutters and such), painted over with some
gray/white-fleck trunk spatter paint (hint: you _can_ spray spatter-paint at
45'F <unusually warm today...>, since any "spattering" usually associated
with using spray-cans in cold weather isn't noticeable). Looks pretty
decent; got some discarded carpet-padding, and will head to the fabric store
for some heavy-duty trunk-felt material to make it really nice (relatively
speaking); this will do until I can get some real floors welded in, which
will cost a bit more than the $10 or so I have invested in this trunk job!

On to the electrical problems...

1) I took my daughter for a ride around the neighborhood yesterday to look
at the Christmas lights, when all of a sudden my "GEN" light comes on...
uh-oh, hightail it back home, and decide the alternator (which made it over
with the engine from the '68 Toro that had been dormant for 12 years) must
have given up its ghost. Today, I start it up, and the "GEN" light goes out
for a couple seconds, then comes back on: hmmm, electronics don't _usually_
fix themselves for short periods of time, do the? Well, I checked the
plug-in connector, which appeared a little corroded; cleaned it up, and the
"GEN" light has not come on again. Seemed to have dodged a bullet on that
one, but I think I'll take to keeping a spare alternator in the trunk for a
couple months, until I'm *sure* about that one. My question: would a
loose/faulty connection at that plug-in wire to the alternator
(externally-regulated) cause the "GEN" light to come on? Is it likely that
I've solved the problem, or is this just a cruel trick being played on me by
fate/luck?

2) The blower motor (new unit) didn't come on when I finally hooked
everything up. The first suspect was the 30A inline fuse for it from the
power takeoff on the inner fenderwell. Unfortunately, in the process of
diagnosing this fuse, I killed the patient (the wire was corroded badly, and
pulled out of the rubber housing for this fuse, which was reluctant to come
apart; btw, fuse was broken, and shot, and thus likely the culprit). I'd
like to keep this original looking, but I don't want to wait until spring to
find the appropriate piece at a parts yard. Has anyone had good luck
replacing this inline fuse with, say, a 30A circuit-breaker? If I'm going to
go non-original, I may as well upgrade.

3) Horn no workee... :(  I suspect the horn relay is frozen (it, along with
much of the front wiring harness, sat exposed to the elements for the last
decade or so). Are these relays still available new at the regular parts stores?

4) Wipers not working either... :( The linkage doesn't appear to be frozen,
so I guess the culprit is the motor (which also sat exposed for the last ten
years...). I take good care of my cars, don't I???

5) Turn signals are, well, erratic, but differently for each side. On the
left, at the rear only the inner lens blinks, for a normal duration, but
with a longer-than normal pause. On the right, *both* lenses blink, but very
quickly, and not very brightly; disturbingly, the left outer lens *also*
blinks along with it, although nearly imperceptibly (the interior lights
also flicker in sympathy). I'm suspecting a bad ground on the right side
somewhere. Is it normal, however, for only the inner light to flash for the
turn-signal? This is on a '70, with the two vertical lenses on each side.
I'm going to clean the bulb sockets and replace any burnt bulbs (left-inner
taillight is out, except for the turn signal filiment), then double-check
the grounds, and then try an alternative flasher can, to see if I can remedy
this problem to pass inspection. Any other suggestions or possible avenues
to investigate?

6) Interior lights don't always come on when the headlight swich is pulled
on. If I jiggle the knob, they will sometimes kick in, but it's not
consistent. Might a shot of electrical cleaner into the switch (once I
remove the knob and shaft), suitably worked in there, clean this up? Or is
this something requiring a replacement of the switch itself? I've got a '72
on hand; would that interchange with the '70 unit?

Well, that's about it for now. Mechanically, the car is strong; though I
haven't had her out long enough to really open her up, the 2.56 gears really
get you into extra-legal speeds without much throttle opening. I'm also
catching a slight chirp into second with the Hurst "Hot-shift" shift-kit
installed to only "stage 1" (RV/fleet) settings, though I suspect that's as
much from the worn 225/75 radials on there as it is from the shift kit. I
think I'll be going with the 255/60-15" that have been recommended to me.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:07:54 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?.....   Part 2

In a message dated 97-12-16 14:31:44 EST, you write:

<< 
 I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage. The heater
 that was installed in the garage when I bought the place went on the fritz,
 and I'm looking to replace it. Although, after reading Greg's post about
 looking forward to a 30 degree day to do radiator work, it seems like folly
 to heat a Virginia garage. But, I'm gonna do it anyway. So, what I'm
 thinking is a propane based torpedo style heater with electronic ignition
 and a thermostat. I'm looking at propane because the potential vapors from
 a liquid fuel like kerosene make me nervous, and I've used several electric
 space heaters with disappointing results. I am particularly interested in
 recommendations on what BTU range it would take to raise the temp. in the
 garage 20-30 degrees over a period of several hours.
 Any input would be greatly appreciated. >>

First, propane will be easier to deal with than "filling" tanks at the propane
dealer (can get Kerosene at alot of gas station, and even hardware places, and
they are open more often).

Next, the way my dads heater is set up, it has a "thermostat" (just a know, no
real heat settings shown), and it plugs into the electrical cord of the
heater, which in turn plugs into the outlet.  as it is working, you turn the
know to adjust the heat, and it shuts down when it is hot enough, and turns
back on when it needs to.  Works well.

Third, the fumes shouldn't be much of a concern.  If the heater is making
enough gasses to really effect you, there is something wrong with it (unless
you are real sensitive about things like this).  Normally the heaters out
there will give a little "puff" of fumes/unburnt mixture upon startup, but it
should go away immediately once the heater is warm (well under a minute).
When I'm in the garage for long periods of time, I leave the side door
slightly ajar, just enough to get some circulation, this works real well if
the garage is properly vented on the roof also, as my father-in-laws is.  It
doesn't have to be much, but just a little.

One other thing to be aware of is the fact that these heaters are somewhat
noisy (anything of that size/capacity will be).  No big deal, just be aware of
it.

Chris Ruper

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