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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 12 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1096



Re: Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild
Re: Finding the option codes in trunk
Olds website
Olds Club of America National Event Calendar
Re: Calendar
Olds calendar idea
Re: [Toro] Air Bags on '74-'76 Toros?
[Fwd: Fwd: FW: [Fwd: FWD: This is NOT a joke...READ IT!]]
Jet Coating
Storage Warehouse
Re: Power
Re: Finding the option codes in trunk
Re: COPS!!!!!
Easy Way to Pick Pictures for Calendar
looking for owners manual
350 diesel
wow, 2 olds days at norwalk?
Re: Shake, rattle, and slap. (Kinda long but please help)
Re: 71 442 Convertible
Olds diesel
Re: Calendar
Cutlass G-body parts for sale
Re: Power
HELP!!!!!
TH400 in G-body?
442.com Owners registry
1965 Delta 88
Re: Boxed Lower Control Arms
80' cutlass supreme
COPS and racing
Re: shocks
Re: Rear Axle Arm Swap
Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???
(no subject)
Re: 1965 Delta 88
Re: Calendar
Southern Gold
Olds Diesel
Re: Storage Warehouse
remove
Re: Southern Gold
oldsmobile parts
Paging Tom Johnson
Re: Calendar
Re: 71 442 Convertible
Re: 80' cutlass supreme
Re: Calendar
Re: Calendar

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:10:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild

> Other than that the car has been done up right. Hooker comps, hotckins
> suspension, gn axle, great interior, and a good paint job. I was just
> happy they chose an Olds for their first buildup story..

The article can be found at:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto2/9803AUTKP.html

I found it interesting that Caprice front spindles and 12" rotors would
fit the G-body.  From the engine bay picture, it looks as if they
neglected to connect the A/C lines.  I wonder why performance figures
and engine specifications weren't provided?

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:33:19 PST
From: "Dick Henderson" <dickhenderson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Finding the option codes in trunk

>I know this is really stupid, but I can't seem to find the option codes
in the trunk of my '78 Cutlass.  I checked the FAQ file, and spent quite
a while poking around in my trunk, but no luck.  Are they on a sticker
or covered up somehow?  Thanks in advance for your help with this.
>
>Bob
>'78 Cutlass

Hey, if it has to do with an Oldsmobile, no Q is ever stupid! I have an
82 CSC, and the only codes I've found were on a sticker on the inside R
side of the trunk lid... If your car's been repainted, you may be SOL...
best thing you could do is hope it was made in Canada (Check your VIN:
ie 2G3AK47J2C2 341925 is mine. The 3rd ª2 designates the factory... in
this case, St. Therese, Que.) If it was built in Canada, GM Vintage
Vehicle Services can send you a pile of stuff (including opt. codes) for
$42.80 CDN. I think the address and 800 ª is somewhere in the FAQ @
442.com... Good luck!

Crossing my fingers,
Richard
82 CSC


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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:59:57 PST
From: "Dick Henderson" <dickhenderson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olds website

Hey everyone. Please check out my website!

It's devoted to my car, a 1982 CSC... and other Cutlasses.

Check it out! I'm sure you'll like it!

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9000

Thanks!
Richard
82 CSC

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 07:44:14 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Club of America National Event Calendar

Here we go again with another fun filled season of Oldsmobile Club of America
event listings.  I'll try to do it every other week.

================================================================================
APRIL 1998
================================================================================

April 19 - 19th ANNUAL OCA, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA CHAPTER SWAP MEET
at the Solano County Fairgrounds in Vallejo, CA. Gates open at 5:00am and close
at 2:00pm. Free admission to buyers. Vehicles for sale or display are $10 each.
Pre-registration to sellers is $15 before April 5, 1998, afterward $20 at the
gate. Make checks payable to NOR-CAL Olds Club, 5762 Collier Canyon Rd.,
Livermore, CA 94550. For more info: (510) 455-6537

April 19 - ANNUAL SPRING B.O.P. SHOW
Hosted by the Olds Club of New Mexico. At Lee Galles Oldsmobile, 6401 San Metro
NE, Albuquerque, NM. Registration is from 8:00am 'til 11:00am, and the show is
from 11:00am 'til 3:00pm. Awards will be given out at 3:00pm. There will be 8
categories of trophies. Cost is $15 for first car, $10 for the second. For more
info: Ken (505) 891-3649 or Roger (505) 897-2650.(

April 26 - SPRING DUST-OFF AND SWAP MEET
Hosted by the Capitol City Rockets. At Stohlman Oldsmobile, 200 S. Pickett
Street, Alexandria, VA. 10:00am 'til 4:00pm. Indoor and outdoor swap meet 
spaces
available. For more info: Denney Keys (301) 390-1577 or Jim Stohlman (703)
751-9100.


================================================================================
MAY 1998
================================================================================

May 3 - 2nd ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB SHOW
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club @ Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410 North
Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD. Registration starts @ 10am, show from 11am-3pm.
All Oldsmobiles Welcome. 50/50 drawing and door prizes. More info to come. For
more info: Brad Nicholson ( brad442@erols.com )

May 31 - SECOND ANNUAL JACK HAYS ALL OLDSMOBILE SHOW
Hosted by the Western New York Chapter. To be held at Jack Hayes Oldsmobile,
13090 Main Rd.,Akron, NY 14001. (Rt. 5, Buffalo, NY) All years welcome and any
condition. Door prizes, dash plaques, awards in 23 classes. For more info: Bill
Gerych, 2197 Main Rd.,Corfu, NY 14036, PH(716) 762-9909 or Chuck Witte, 7945
Chestnut Ridge Rd., Gasport, NY 14067, PH(716) 772-5774.


================================================================================
JUNE 1998
================================================================================

June 20 - HOMECOMING 98 (OCA Regional Meet)
At Location: Oldsmobile Administration Building, 920 Townsend, Lansing, MI.
(Exit ª6 off 496) Car show, swap meet and arts and crafts show. Ballot juding,
special awards, goodie bags, dash plaques, auction. 9am-4pm. Advance
Registration: $5/per car. At gate: $10/per car. Deadline June 1, 1998 US funds
only. . Send registration and check to: Olds Homecoming 98, Ken Nicholas, 512 
W.
Broad St., Eaton Rapids, MI 48827. Ph:(517) 663-2397 e-mail:
mnicholas@voyager.net

June 27 - 15th ANNUAL RENNER OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.
Wauwatosa, WI. Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. OCA Judging. Club
picnic after the show. For more info: Brian McArthur (414) 662-0497.


================================================================================
JULY 1998
================================================================================

July 15-18 - OCA 1998 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter. Our host hotel is the Crowne Plaza
(or on the same property) the sister hotel Holiday Inn East - Springfield IL. 
Be
sure to tell them you are with the Oldsmobile Club of America to get our group
rates. For the Crown Plaza call (217) 529-7777 or for the Holiday Inn East call
(217) 529-7171. For event information contact Bill & JoAnn Wagaman, 816 13th
St., Rockford, IL 61104. Chapter Phone: (815) 398-6698
More info at http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

================================================================================
AUGUST 1998
================================================================================

August 15 - 7th ANNUAL DENIL-WALL OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW
Green Bay, WI. Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. Participant vote. 
For
more info: Rick Fleury (920) 465-1502.


================================================================================
SEPTEMBER 1998
================================================================================

September 18-19 - 19th ANNUAL QUAD STATES MEET
Wisconsin Dells, WI. OCA Judging/Expanded Classes from 16 to 20. White Elephant
Auction (donations appreciated). Holiday Inn, Wisconsin Dells, 1-800-54DELLS.
For more info: Tom Joyce (414) 886-9806.

September 19 - 2nd ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club. At The Big M Restaurant/ Bel Air
Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between Bel Air &
Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95). All years and condition Oldsmobiles
welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free goodie bag to first 50
Oldsmobiles through the gate. Open to the public. Other vehicles welcome to
cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 drawing. FREE ! For more info c
ontact:
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370 or e-mail: Brad Nicholson ( brad442@erols.com )


================================================================================
JUNE - 1999
================================================================================

June 21-27 - OCA 1999 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the North Texas Oldsmobile Club Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of
America Contact the club for the latest information on time, dates, and
location. North Texas Olds Club, P.O. Box 38524, Dallas, Texas 75238


================================================================================
2000
================================================================================

Summer - OCA 2000 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the Rallye 350 Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of America. New Jersey 
-
New York Area

================================================================================
================================================================================

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:18:12 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Calendar

Hi all,

I want to thank all of those who wrote the enthusiastic responses to my
initial posting.  I get tired of seeing those calendars with all of them
non-olds cars!  I don't have the facilities for making a calendar,
however, one is definitely needed.  I personally like to see one car
per month, since this is what gave me the idea initially.  I'll contact
a friend who has made calendars for his business to see what it takes
to make a calendar.  I'll let everyone know as soon as I find out.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:43:21 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Olds calendar idea

I deleted the post regarding the Olds calendar idea, so I'm not sure who's
getting involved with it.  Here's my input;

Great idea, only picking "who's" car makes it will be the toughy.  To make
it a little easier, I suggest that at least four (or possibly more), cars be
shown for each month.

If your doing an "on-line" calendar, feel free to use any of the 44 pictures
I have in my web site;  the "Olds Drool" pages.

Good luck,
================================================
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.>      See them and 44 other Olds' at:
1995 Achieva S  >      http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:51:30 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: [Toro] Air Bags on '74-'76 Toros?

>  I wonder if that was another Oldsmobile innovation.
>Actually Oldsmobile WAS the first car company to introduce these but
>shelved them after 2-3 years because of *problems* - gee, do ya' think the
>new companies did any sort of investigation before they slapped them into
>these new ones?!  I'm guessing not a whole lot but I'm a cynic.

I didn't know that they ever shelved the idea. I do recall that they were
working on these in the early 60's, so they weren't just dreamed up in a
day. I can only guess that the reason for their demise was not due to
safety considerations, but rather lack of demand; as I recall, they were a
$1000 option when cars were only $5000, at a time when $5000 would induce
"sticker shock". I never heard of them being defective in operation.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:06:26 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Jet Coating

Somebody had recommended doing a jet hot coating on the exhaust manifolds
and the heads to have them run cooler, and to prevent rust.  Does anyone
recommend this process, or is there something else that can be done along
the same lines.  What about do it yourself treatments?

Thanks,

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:21:43 -0500
From: "Scott Samuels" <cort@email.msn.com>
Subject: Storage Warehouse

Dear Olds Lovers

I Need Your feedback. I own a 10,000 sq Ft warehouse in St Petersburg FL. I
am considering converting it to a climate controlled space dedicated to the
storage of collectable autos. The warehouse would have central Heat and Air
along with a fire sprinkler system and security system. Car owners would
have access at specific times during the week or by appointment if they need
access at a time not specified in the agreement. All owners would have to
keep cars covered with cover locks and all cars will be kept on auto castor
plates in order to be easily moved. The ware house will be decorated and
painted with auto memorabilia that I own and we would dedicate a bit of
space for car clubs to meet. We will also have for rent car transport
trailers open and closed for our tenants who may not own a trailer and want
to go to a show that is further than they want to drive there autos. What do
you Think? Do you have anything like this in your area?

Scott Samuels
72 H/O Conv

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:17:28 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Power

>>
>I just got my Year 1 catolog yesterday. The figures inside say that my
>71 350 has 260 hp. Another kid at my school has a 69 350, which shows
>about 310 hp. I can't be beat by 50 hp. What was it that added that much
>power? Would I need new pistons, new valve heads, new cam, what? Ineed
>more power.

Well, as far as the hp-producing parts of your motor goes, the only
significant difference between his motor and yours is the compression
(assuming 4-bbl). Your 260hp is still according to the "gross" rating that
his motor is rated according to, whereas the "net" rating of your same
motor would be around 180hp.

Realize, however, that much more goes into an engine's hp than its rated
hp. The 350-4spd cars got a much wilder camshaft, and you could get that
car with single or dual exhausts. So, for example, a 1970 310hp 350 mated
to a 4-spd with a dual exhaust system in a Rallye 350 with the OAI hood
would have much more power than an identically-rated 1970 310hp 350 mated
to an automatic with a single exhaust and single snorkel intake (probably
on the order of around 30hp).

That, of course, is for new engines. Now that we're thirty years down the
road, a 260hp 350 with good rings and valves would produce more power than
a 310hp 350 with worn rings and burnt valves.

Looks like there's only one way to answer this question: take it to the
strip! If he beats you, THEN you get those 10.5:1 pistons for your 350... :)
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:33:51 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Finding the option codes in trunk

Dick Henderson wrote:
>
> ie 2G3AK47J2C2 341925 is mine. The 3rd ª2 designates the factory... in
> this case, St. Therese, Que.) If it was built in Canada, GM Vintage
> Vehicle Services can send you a pile of stuff (including opt. codes) for
> $42.80 CDN. I think the address and 800 ª is somewhere in the FAQ @
> 442.com... Good luck!

Better yet, the very first number of the VIN is the country code.  1 is for the
US and 2 is for a Canadian car.

I offer again, for anyone to download my humble little VIN decoder at
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/decoder/decoder.html

It works only for cars 1981-1986.  E-mail me back to tell me if it works
properly!  It's worked for everything I've tested on it.  Thanks.

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| \ \/ / / /CS Major, Virginia Tech|
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:35:37 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: COPS!!!!!

> But, don't be surprised to run across idiot cops; just as in any
> profession, there are good and there are bad ones, and you
> seem to be "lucky" enough to be meeting some bad ones. The
> only remedy to this kind of attention is to drive a Hyundai
> (Korean for "You get what you pay for").

I guess this would be a bad time to point out that Rodney King
was driving a Hyundai Excel...  :-)
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:42:16 -0500
From: LARRY POLESNAK WB3KJG <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Easy Way to Pick Pictures for Calendar

Hi Everyone, here is a idea to pick the CAR'S for the Calendar.. Like
Greg said the amount of cars are under 1,000 Car's... Have one
 person assigned a number to each of the cars from 001 to 999..
Then, Pennsylvania has a Daily Lottery Number..Set a certain
Month and the Lotto has a Web Page and let the Daily Number
pick the car's till you have enough for the Calendar. You
check the page Daily to see if your car is picked..
                               Larry Polesnak
                               Pittsburgh,Pa.

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:29:34 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: looking for owners manual

im looking for the owners manual for my 75 olds delta 88.
if you have one or know of someone who dose,e mail me.

    Thanx.
           Ryan.




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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:35:45 -0600
From: "Larry L Hanson" <lhanson@fgi.net>
Subject: 350 diesel

I'm a newbie to the list.  I have an '81 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with a
5.7 diesel.  I love my car and want to fix 'er up. I know that it is not a
performance enthusiasts dream car but it is unique.

I have a couple of questions.  Does anyone know how many were built with
diesels in '81?  Can I get seats from any of the G-bodies to fit in mine?

Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:37:35 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: wow, 2 olds days at norwalk?

Wonder if Joe's gonna have his still..


      1ST ANNUAL DICK MILLER RACING INC. OLDSMOBILE POWERED OPEN 1/4 MILE RACE
AUGUST 16,1998 AT NORWALK OHIO

  Not all of the details have been worked out but Dick Miller Racing Inc. has
rented Norwalk Raceway on August
 16, 1998 to host the 1st Annual Dick Miller Racing Inc. Oldsmobile Powered
Open. This race, as the title says, is
  for any vehicle that is Oldsmobile powered, including the new Arora engine. 
To
race this event, sponsors decals
  must be on the vehicle for the entire event. The following purses have been
established for the existing Norwalk
                                         Raceway classes.
                 $250.00 will be donated to the Oldsmobile club with the most
cars present.

 The winner of any class with a Dick Miller Racing Rear Suspension Will receive
an additional $200.00 and $50.00
                                         for the runner-up.

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:40:08 EST
From: TERMO1L@aol.com
Subject: Re: Shake, rattle, and slap. (Kinda long but please help)

All I said was to rebuild it new everything they did all the work and put in
the cam and parts they thought best????????????

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:51:28 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 442 Convertible

Well I went to see the 71 442 today and I must say WOW what a difference
from the first day I saw it.  The first time I saw it was brief and only
with the wife looking on,  I only got to pull back the tarp enough to see
the front fenders and the engine compartment.  Now today I went in grubby
clothes and prepared to really go over the car.  I only needed 20 minutes
to decide nope noway ah ah forget it.  Rough and poor workmanship can't be
described on this level.  Best description a restore Totaled junker.  I
apologize for getting anyones hopes up but at night when I first saw the
front end (the only good part) I thought I found GOLD, but no luck.  It is
a 442 convertible and then still has a value but my own price I would be
willing to pay couldn't be much more then $400 just as a parts car, and the
thought of selling it to a list member would make them cringe.  I think who
ever I sold it to would have a hit (bang bang) out on my ass real quick.

Bob


- ----------
> From: Ken Swick <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 71 442 Convertible
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 10:28 AM
>
> Yep ...
>
> Interested for sure
>
> Ken Swick
> 66 442 post coupe
> 69 Cutlass S
> 77 Ch*vy Malibu
> 70 Ch*vy PU X 4

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:59:39 +0100
From: Stefan Blom <Stefan.Blom@soeka.ericsson.se>
Subject: Olds diesel

I wonder where I can find restoration parts to the diesel engine
350 D. I have a cutlass from -80 and my injector nozzlers are bad.
I hope that someone can tell me where i can buy new for good prices,
they are wery expensive here in Sweden.

regards Stefan

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:20:08 EST
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Calendar

In a message dated 98-02-10 23:20:19 EST, you write:

<< >
 ><< Re: Calender >>
 >I vote yes    Everett Horton
 >                  1961 Starfire Conv

 I vote yes also. i don't think it's a matter of getting 12 photos,
 it's more like, which of the 500+ members' cars won't be on the
 calendar.
 How do we decide?

 Mick Gillespie >>

I've seen slightly oversized calendars which have a small picture for each
day.  Something like that would be workable.  There'd be quite a few pictures
in there then, but they wouldn't be big.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:52:56 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Cutlass G-body parts for sale

Please reply privately to mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu.

[1] Two Rallye Pacs: a console shift, and a column shift (from '85's)

The Rallye Pac is the whole dash modular unit, plastic lens and all. Included
with the RP are the oil and coolant sensors, along with the wiring from the
sensors to the fuse block. The distibutor tach plug-in is also included, along
with the wire to the alternator. On the back of the RP are two clear multi-wire
connectors, along with as much wire as I could snip (3-4"). Also included is a
small green box containing a small circuit board for the RP. So basically you
get the whole cluster, including the speedo and warning lights, oil and coolant
sensors, and as much wire as is humanly possible to remove!

$70 each plus shipping and optional insurance. I can't see shipping being more
than $10, most likely $5-7. You'll pay what I pay. Wrapped nicely.


[2] Rear sway bar, including control arm brackets and bolts (from '85).

$30 plus shipping and optional insurance.


[3] Two Red "Lectron" modules (from '85's).

The '85 Chassic manual says these are an alarm assembly. I'm not really sure.

$10 each plus shipping and optional insurance.

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:06:40 PST
From: "john foster" <anyasbbj@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Power

>71 350 has 260 hp. Another kid at my school has a 69 350, which shows
>about 310 hp. I can't be beat by 50 hp. What was it that added that
much
>power? Would I need new pistons, new valve heads, new cam, what? Ineed
>more power.
>
   i have a 72 455 that stock peaks out around 280 hp and a stock pre 70
455 350-400 hp. i more or less had this conversation with barry a week
or so ago. for one the compression in the pistons drops from 10.25 or so
to around 8 - 8.5. also this is when the whole fuel economy thing
started coming about so the cam lift and duration started coming down.
just be glad you don't have a mid 70's it drops to around 150 hp.
john


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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:29:39 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: HELP!!!!!

I'm installing my rear in the next few weeks (3.91 posi o-type). I NEED
to get my speedo to read correctly. The problem with this is that I have
to have an adapter that goes between the trans (turbo 350) and the
speedometer cable. The one that I need is a .7333 ratio and is GM part
number 535614. I just got back from the GM dealer and this part and all
ones similar to it are WAY discontinued. I can get the correct driven
gear that goes inside the tranny, but not the adapter assy.

I've seen people on the list use a GM part number on list to find parts.
Where is this?!?!

Does anyone happen to have one of these that they are willing to part
with? It would be the same on a 3.42 car as well.

My gas gauge is shot and I use my odometer to judge when I need gas. I
can't live without the speedo. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Brent Pinkstaff
70 Cutlass S

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:38:13 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: TH400 in G-body?

Does anyone know how well a TH400 fits in a G-body?  I am looking
into buying one and would like to know if any special brackets or
anything will be needed.  This is going to replace a TH200-C, so I
don't know if that changes anything.  Also will I need a
new driveshaft (length?).  I will probably end up getting a new rear
end with a higher gear ratio too, hopefully off of a GN or something
like that.

Joe
82 CSC (with planned 403/TH400 upgrade)

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:48:57 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: 442.com Owners registry

Yeah! I'm finally imortalized with a buch of you guys (&girls) in the
hallowed halls of 442.com!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 (In Brycemans Page...Cool!!!) Conv
Dallas

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:10:13 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: 1965 Delta 88

Hi All,
    I looked at a 1965 Delta 88 that has been owned by the same
gentleman since new. I have a few questions, which motors did these come
with? I think this one has the 425 2barrel, but I am not sure. The
motoer is red in color all original and has the original red air
cleaner, with a round topper that reads Ultra high compression,
Oldsmobile Rocket. I am curious because I read a lot of post that seem
to favor the 425 over the 455, and out of curiosity just wondering if
this is the year of 425 a person should consider buying.
    The car is in very nice shape, very little rust, loaded with options
ect..., also what all parts are in high demand on these cars.
I do know it does have the original clock, ac compressor, bumpers,
hubcaps, and very nice original interior.
    The family is looking to get $1700.00 for the car but I do think it
could be purchased for a little less money.

Thanks in Advance for all answers.

Thanks,
Tom Williams

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:29:43 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Boxed Lower Control Arms

I had a friend "box" mine for free! Just weld a plate across the open side.

You are probably replacing bushings too??

DO NOT BOX the uppers. It "may" be wise not to use stiff bushings on the
uppers if you use stiff bushings on the lowers. This 4 arm system was
designed to flex a "little". Making everything too stiff may cause
something to give (read: break).

By stiff I mean polygraphite. Not stiff would be OEM rubber bushings.

>>What are boxed control arms anyways?  How are they different than regular
>>arms??  I've just always wondered this and never took the opportunity to
>ask!
>>:)
>>--
>>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>>468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>>http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
>>mailto:lee@mergetel.com
>>Welland, Ontario, Canada
>>
>The control arms in question are the bottom pair of the four link rear
>suspension GM A-body's used.  the stock arms are just stamped metal in a "C"
>shape tube, so they are hollow looking from the bottom.  the "boxed"
>versions are fully rectangular, the advantage is they are stiffer which is
>needed to withstand the difflection of a stiff rear anti-sway bar which was
>bolted to them.  I got custom boxed and reinforced lower control arms and a
>1 3/8's bar from H-O Racing (now outa business).
>
>hope that helps,
>
>greg


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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:42:22 EST
From: J8342@aol.com
Subject: 80' cutlass supreme

When I drive sometimes it will just kill, or when I take off from a stop sign
it will stall, then go.

WHAT CAN DO THIS!!!!!

I GOTTA SELL THIS CAR AND IT'S GIVING ME SO MANY PROBLEMS!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:43:20 EST
From: Knightvd@aol.com
Subject: COPS and racing

Around 1985, I had just installed my 455 in a 71 88 coupe.  One night shortly
thereafter a friend and I decided to see how it would run against his 84 HO
Z28.  We rode out to a deserted stretch of interstate and let 'em rip.  We
were neck and neck to about 60, (even with my 2.73s to his 3.73s) then I
pulled away strong.  In celebration of my victory I continued to cruise at a
pretty fast clip.    Next thing I know I see flashing red in the distance.  He
didn't even have to move his car!  I pulled in and he issued me a ticket for
104mph.  (should have asked him for ET too).  My friend cruised right by.

Turned out he kind of knew my father.  He talked to my father the next week.
Dad told him to throw the book at me!

Cost me big bucks back then.  Also had to go in for the strangest "interview"
with someone at the county office.  Got a suspension for 30 days.  Thought I'd
have to go to retake my license but never happened.

Did some stupid things back then.

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:35:21 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: shocks

What other shocks did you use?

I have my eyes on KYB. Supposed to be better than Monroe or Gabriel, but
1/2 the price of Koni...

>Jim,
>
>If you want some real good (and affordable) racing-style shocks, contact PRO
>Shocks (WWW.PROSHOCKS.COM). They build the only shock that kept our 71 Cutlass
>'S' in line on a track that makes you work hard on your suspension setup to
>get around it well. They have shocks that fit in the stock location with no
>modifications at all in racing or street rod types. I use their shocks in my
>daily driver that we autocross as well, and love the way the car handles.
>
>Best wishes in your search,
>
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas


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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:39:15 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Axle Arm Swap

>So, o.k., I'm still looking for confirmation on whether A-body and B &C
>body rear suspension
>arms swap. The years I'm interested in are the 68-72 Cutlii swapping into
>my 98 convertible
>coupe. I'm seeing repro parts for these popular a bodies and would like to
>put 'em in.
>
>Question is what are the dimensions of these arms? I have some j-yard C
>body arms from 65
>which I can measure against for a match.
>
>So does anybody have the dimensions of the rear suspension arms for the
>popular a bodies?
>
>Look forward to hearing from you.
>cf
>Christian Fair

Sorry I did not see this earlier! I have not been following the list as
usual...

I used a set of lower rear arms from a 1964 Ch*v*lle M*libu. They are
EXACTLY the same dimensions.

One problem is that you will have to re-mount the brackets for the
emergency brake cables. This will involve drilling and tapping a hole.


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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:00:57 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???

Greg,

Just read your post about the V/C dilemma. Can you move the alternator to the
passenger side, use a non-A/C alternator mount, and have that clear? I'm not
sure if that would work, but I'm going to test-fit one on my race car with the
old tall Moroso covers on it next time I get to the garage. If it works, I'll
post it here. Be advised that my race engines use a non-A/C water pump as
well, so it might not work with your application. But I'll let you know either
way.

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

<A HREF="http://www.chasinracin.com/racers/ksr7/index.htm">Ken Snyder Racing
Online</A>

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:33:22 -0800
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:21:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1965 Delta 88

Tom, that sounds like a very nice car. When I was a kid my dad had one of
those (a '66 actually) that I just loved. Great dashboard and tons of power!

I always thought the 425s with the "Ultra High Compression" label were
4-barrels, but I have no real firsthand experience with that. 425s are
favored by many because they have rev a little better than the 455s. I'll
let others give you the specifics -- they know a lot more than I do.

Deltas of that vintage are neat cars. I hope this one gets preserved.
Good luck.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:35:35 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Calendar

yes, Olds in action!!!  Any wheelstands?????  Burnouts!!!!!!!   I guess that
leaves the Q4 guys out!!  Just kidding...
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:47:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Southern Gold

Does any body have any information on the "Southern Gold Oldsmobile" was
this some sort of funky pagage, advertising gimmick or what?  I have seen
quite a few w/ emblems and stuff on them... my buddies '85 Cutlass was
supposedly one of them.  Does anybody have any info on getting some of
these emblems for him... he is badly in need of them for a resto project.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Olsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu

"There's no replacement for displacement!"

1980 Rover 3500 SD1 {Rover}
1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (RIP) {Lucille}
soon 1973 Cadillac Sedan De Ville {Lil' Kitty}

Editor/Secretary of the Rover Saloon Touring Club of America (RSTCA)

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:13:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Olds Diesel

Not a member (but sounds like he really *needs* to be) and in Sweden no
less, so let's help him  out. Reply directly to him until I can convince
him to sign up...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Stefan Blom <Stefan.Blom@soeka.ericsson.se>
Organization: Ericsson Components AB
Subject: Olds diesel

I wonder where I can find restoration parts to the diesel engine
350 D. I have a cutlass from -80 and my injector nozzlers are bad.
I hope that someone can tell me where i can buy new for good prices,
they are wery expensive here in Sweden.

regards Stefan

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:33:31 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Storage Warehouse

In a message dated 98-02-11 10:46:33 EST, you write:

<<
 I Need Your feedback. I own a 10,000 sq Ft warehouse in St Petersburg FL. I
 am considering converting it to a climate controlled space dedicated to the
 storage of collectable autos. The warehouse would have central Heat and Air
 alon >>
   Something like this up here in New England would be great, I have talked to
a lot of people and they would sign an agreement to have a place like that to
keep their "toys". I say go for it.

Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:35:51 -0800
From: tracy maloy <cen07137@centuryinter.net>
Subject: remove

please remove me from your mailing list

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:43:09 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Southern Gold

In a message dated 98-02-11 20:27:58 EST, you write:

<<
 Does any body have any information on the "Southern Gold Oldsmobile" was
 this some sort of funky pagage, advertising gimmick or what?  I have seen
 quite a few w/ emblems and stuff on them... my buddies '85 Cutlass was
 supposedly one of them.  Does anybody have any info on getting some of
 these emblems for him... he is badly in need of them for a resto project.
  >>
   This would be one of those regional add on packages. You would have to find
the original selling dealer or one in that general area and find out what
company added this package and then contact them to see if they have or can
get these things for you.
   Here in New England we have a place in Brockton Mass called ADI Inc that
does that for all dealers in the area. They keep a lot of replacement emblems
and decals on hand for that very reason.


Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:58:36 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: oldsmobile parts

can anyone assist me in obtaining a dash for my 1975 olds delta 88 conv.
I would be greatly appreciative.
Bruce Peters

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:03:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Paging Tom Johnson

Paging Tom Johnson...

ever find that convertible windscreen trim piece?
- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:00:14 -0500
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

The Olds calendar is a promising idea.  This past Christmas, we decided to
create customized/personalized calendars for everyone in my family and my
wife's family (approximately 30 calendars - large family).  We
painstakingly selected 12+ pictures applicable to each person including
baby shots, graduations, embarrassing photos, etc. and scanned the glossy's
and produced professional looking calendars with a color bubble jet printer
on high quality glossy paper.

The calendars were the most talked about gifts of the year.  The
embarrassing pictures were the only problems.

Regarding the issue of selecting from among 500+ photos for one's
particular liking, why not produce calendars including the years and models
of one's own taste and include shots of your own car - on perhaps your
birth month?  The personalization makes the calendar special.  It would
make a nice piece to hang at work or over the kitchen sink?

If there is an interest in personalized calendars, I could price out the
components (paper, color ink cartridges, time, shipping) and take it on.

John Gill
jgill@idmi.com


- ----------
> Why hasn't anyone suggested doing an "Olds" e-mail list calendar?  I am
> sure we can get 12 car photos!  :-)  What is the general consensus?

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:12:57 -0800
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: 71 442 Convertible

It is
> a 442 convertible and then still has a value but my own price I would be
> willing to pay couldn't be much more then $400 just as a parts car,



Just out of curiosity, how much did they want for it?  Could you explain
more in depth, the condition of the car and why it's only worth $400 or
so to you?

Thanks...

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:19:18 -0500
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 80' cutlass supreme

J8342@aol.com wrote:
>
> When I drive sometimes it will just kill, or when I take off from a stop sign
> it will stall, then go.
>
> WHAT CAN DO THIS!!!!!
>
> I GOTTA SELL THIS CAR AND IT'S GIVING ME SO MANY PROBLEMS!!!!!!

Major hesitation from a stop can be lots of things - worn or sticking
vacuum advance, bad accelerator pump, or even from spark that's too weak
to overcome the extra rich mixture of acceleration (plugs being
drowned). Dying while driving is either intermittant ignition or fuel
flow problems.

I'd probably rebuild the carb with a Jiffy kit first. If that doesn't do
it, do up the ignition, including a new HEI module.

Good Luck.
Dave C.
85 Delta-88 Royale Land Yaght

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:47:08 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Calendar

John Gill wrote:

> Regarding the issue of selecting from among 500+ photos for one's
> particular liking, why not produce calendars including the years and
> models of one's own taste and include shots of your own car - on perhaps
> your birth month?  The personalization makes the calendar special.  It
> would make a nice piece to hang at work or over the kitchen sink?

Now this is what I was getting at.  Great idea!

> If there is an interest in personalized calendars, I could price out the
> components (paper, color ink cartridges, time, shipping) and take it on.

Let me know what it is going to cost.  I tried my local kinko's and it
would
cost me $19.95/one or $15.95/one in 100 quantity.  I am sure that it
could
be done cheaper if you have the right stuff.  Unfortunately I don't.

Let us know....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:36:40 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Calendar

John Gill wrote:
>
> If there is an interest in personalized calendars, I could price out the
> components (paper, color ink cartridges, time, shipping) and take it on.
>
> John Gill
> jgill@idmi.com

How 'bout this idea:  divide up the calendar up by year (like Bryceman does on
his web page).  He's got three divisions, pre-64, 64-72, post-72.  How 'bout we
go through the year kind of like he goes through his webpage?  Jan, Feb, Mar,
Apr will be the pre-64 cars.  May, Jun, Jul, Aug will be the 64-72 cars.  Sep,
Oct, Nov, Dec will be the post-72 cars?

If John will take on the labor, I think most of us (including me) would gladly
purchase a calendar.

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