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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, December 19 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1019



Re: "84 Hurst Wheel
SX Electrical Woes Fixed! (mostly...)
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Are Headers worth it??
4-Speed conversion
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Re: sway bars
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: "84 Hurst Wheel
My appology
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:36:13 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: "84 Hurst Wheel

In a message dated 97-12-19 00:32:28 EST, you write:

<< I'm in search of a "Super Stock Chrome" wheel for my '84 Hurst. At least
 that's the nomenclature used in my manual.
 Basically this is the original 15" chrome wheel with the red stripe on the
 outer edge of the rim. Same wheel I beleive is on the '83 Hurst. If anybody
 has one or a lead on one, or does anyone know if and where they can be
 straightened (mine is out of round) please let me know. >>
well, i have a set of '82 H/O rims but they have the beauty rings instead of
being fully chromed.  they are also black instead of silver.  doubt id sell
them, but how much would they go for do you think?

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:36:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: SX Electrical Woes Fixed! (mostly...)

I've been driving the SX more and more these days, and feeling good about
it; as soon as I change the rear axle fluid and get an alignment, it will be
time for some highway driving... :)

The "GEN" light problem seems to have been a dirty connection... the wipers
started working all on their own... I took Greg's advice, and turned the
headlight knob back and forth a few dozen times to clean up the surfaces in
the rheostat there, so the interior lights are working consistently... I've
replaced all the interior lights except the map light in the mirror, so now
I can see when I get in the car.

As for the blower, it seems to be suffering the same problem as my horn: a
bad relay. This blower-motor relay, however, has a melted connector, so it
seems like it might have been something more... :(
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 00:56:08 -0800
From: IRA <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Are Headers worth it??

Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
maintainance).  Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:26:38 -0600
From: "Russell G. Baker" <rgbaker@wt.net>
Subject: 4-Speed conversion

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Anyone have any ideas on swapping out the 3 speed automatic for a 4 =
speed?

I have a 69' 442 and want to get better mileage out of my daily driver.  =
The drive in the morning for me is around 48 miles one way.  So my idea =
is to get the RPMs down on the freeway with a overdrive.  If anyone has =
done this please advise.


rgbaker@wt.net
" If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
Russell G. Baker


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Anyone have any ideas on swapping out the 3 speed automatic for a 4 =
speed?

I have a 69' 442 and want to get better mileage out of my daily driver.  =
The drive in the morning for me is around 48 miles one way.  So my idea =
is to get the RPMs down on the freeway with a overdrive.  If anyone has =
done this please advise.


rgbaker@wt.net
" If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
Russell G. Baker


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:23:03 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re: sway bars

Howie,
one of the best places to get any kind of suspension stuff from is PST
(Performance Suspension Technology) 1-800-247-2288.  Check out their web
site at http://www.p-s-t.com/
Everybody I know who has ordered stuff from them has been very pleased
with the fit and quality of the parts as well as the shipping/handling.

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:21:21 -0500
>From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
>Subject: sway bars
>
>would anyone knows places (other than jc whitney) to get a rear sway >bar for
my 71 cultass? nothing against jc, but i've heard unpleasant >things about 
them. >
>Howie

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:32:17 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

I can do Georgia and bordering states....

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:53:03 -0800
>From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
>Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country
>
>I'll volunteer for the California - Arizona portion of the drive.....
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:35:14 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: "84 Hurst Wheel

Howard H wrote:
>
> I'm in search of a "Super Stock Chrome" wheel for my '84 Hurst. At least
> that's the nomenclature used in my manual.
> Basically this is the original 15" chrome wheel with the red stripe on the
> outer edge of the rim. Same wheel I beleive is on the '83 Hurst. If anybody
> has one or a lead on one, or does anyone know if and where they can be
> straightened (mine is out of round) please let me know.
> Thanks and Happy Holidays to all!
>
>       ___   ___ ___
>      /  /  /  //  /
>     /  /__/  //  /
>    /  HURST //  /
>   /  /  /  //  /_______
>  /__/  /__//  //  ___  \
>           /  //  /   \  \
>          /  //  /OLDS/  /
>         /  / \  \___/  /
>        /__/   \_______/
>
>   Howard Hosenbold
>   howardh@magicnet.net
>   1984 Hurst Olds
>   Production ª 2748
>   OCA ª 024551
>   HOCA ª 1259
>   OCF ª 24551


If you want the whole wheel, call Ray at Muscle Car Headquarters, (516)
753-0720. Last I spoke to him, he had them new "NOS" in the boxes. Also
ask him about getting yours straightened. If you need the red stripe, I
was able to order that by itself a while ago. Don't know if its still
available from GM. One thing though, they might be expensive !

Good Luck !

- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


* * * * * * * * *
* COMMING  SOON * --------> www.3STICKS.com
* * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 11/28/97)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:01:40 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: My appology

After the scare I got from the list, thinking I was toast for going into
the Q4 vs 307, I talked to Greg and think this is a REAL good idea on my
part....

I appologize for wasting a LOT of bandwidth on the Q4 thread, and I am
aiming to keep outta the arena for good.....
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: 19 Dec 1997 09:13:32 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Are Headers worth it??

OL>Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
OL>maintainance).
If you race the car and want to open the exhaust, yes they are worth the
hassle.

OL>Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
OL>street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?
It depends upon what stock system they are replacing.  If you have the
4-4-2 manifolds on a 455 it would not be noticeable.  If you are
replacing a restrictive set of manifolds off of a smog motor, you will
probably notice a difference.

On my 4-4-2 they are a waste of time and money for street driving.  On a
formerly owned pick up truck I saw a definite improvement in bottom end
torque when towing.  That F*rd needed to breathe.  Just be sure to buy
quality headers if you end up going that way.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Howie,
one of the best places to get any kind of suspension stuff from is PST
(Performance Suspension Technology) 1-800-247-2288.  Check out their web
site at http://www.p-s-t.com/
Everybody I know who has ordered stuff from them has been very pleased
with the fit and quality of the parts as well as the shipping/handling.

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:21:21 -0500
>From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
>Subject: sway bars
>
>would anyone knows places (other than jc whitney) to get a rear sway >bar for
my 71 cultass? nothing against jc, but i've heard unpleasant >things about 
them. >
>Howie


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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:23:27 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds (Chris Farley)

- -----Original Message-----
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>


>Wow.  I just heard the sad news.  One of comedy's funniest guys has
>died.  He was one of my favorites.  I'll miss him.


He was a favorite of mine to. Kind of erie that John Belushi who Chris said
was his idol and who he based his act on also died at 33.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:21:56 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

re Propane based heater.

Be sure to have your life insurance paid up, the CO will get you.


HELLO OLDSMOBILE GUY.

Stop already with the mail.  I have sent you guys numerous messages yet when
I get back after a couple weeks, I am overloaded with this mail.

I will get back to you later when I get back in town.

THANX
- -----Original Message-----
From: David Brown <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
To: olds mail list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:05 PM
Subject: Garage Heating?


>So, what I'm thinking is a propane based torpedo style heater with
electronic
>ignition and a thermostat. I'm looking at propane because the potential
>vapors from a liquid fuel like kerosene make me nervous, and I've used
>several electric space heaters with disappointing results.
>
>Ray
>----------
>I'm considering something similar, but a vent free LP wall based heater,
with
>thermostat (peizeo starter) and blower. These are for indoor use, mounted
in
>a wall. I'll mount it to the rear garage wall, over a workbench, about 5-6
>feet off the floor. It will be fed from a portable LP tank, about 15 feet
>away, using black pipe, with a short rubber leader hose from the tank. All
>flammable liquids would be at least that far away, properly closed up, and
>checked before operating the heater. I'll have a CO detector in the garage.
>
>The post from a week ago about the dangers of LP vehicles, vapors and fires
>got me worried. My setup being stationary and not subject to vibration
starts
>to settle that leak worry. However, wouldn't the same problems hold true
for
>natural gas? It leaking being just as dangerous? Since my heater would be
>above a flammable workbench, I'll put a nice big piece of sheet metal over
>that area.
>
>Ideas, opinions, experiences?
>--
>David Brown              Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
>         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
>http://www.442.com      OR     http://www.en.com/users/thall
>    http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm
>
>Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
>  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:27:42 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Photo Contest

- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>
>     I don't want to imply any kind of election fixing or anything here,

If you have more than one email account (excite,hotmail,rocketmail...). Send
a message from each account. Just make sure it doesn't include your normal
account address.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:30:19 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: JR Headers

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
>Someone said there was such a thing as JR Headers
>that would work, did he or anyone else ever find the number or address
>of that shop

I finally called the shop I got them from and they no longer carry them.

Daren

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I can do Georgia and bordering states....

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 19:53:03 -0800
>From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
>Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country
>
>I'll volunteer for the California - Arizona portion of the drive.....
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA


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1997 09:13:32 EDT Subject: Are Headers worth it?? Message-Id:
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OL>Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
OL>maintainance).
If you race the car and want to open the exhaust, yes they are worth the
hassle.

OL>Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
OL>street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?
It depends upon what stock system they are replacing.  If you have the
4-4-2 manifolds on a 455 it would not be noticeable.  If you are
replacing a restrictive set of manifolds off of a smog motor, you will
probably notice a difference.

On my 4-4-2 they are a waste of time and money for street driving.  On a
formerly owned pick up truck I saw a definite improvement in bottom end
torque when towing.  That F*rd needed to breathe.  Just be sure to buy
quality headers if you end up going that way.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2



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- -----Original Message-----
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>Wow.  I just heard the sad news.  One of comedy's funniest guys has
>died.  He was one of my favorites.  I'll miss him.


He was a favorite of mine to. Kind of erie that John Belushi who Chris said
was his idol and who he based his act on also died at 33.

Daren




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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:38:04 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: weight of a 455

- -----Original Message-----
From: deirdre. reilly <102724.635@compuserve.com>
>
>I have a question concerning the weights of two Olds motors, the 307 and
>the 455.
>
I put a complete 425 2bbl. hi-comp. on the scale at work 660 lbs. (scale
goes to 3600lbs.). It had every thing but the air cleaner. fan, alternator,
belts, power steering pump, engine and body mounts, starter, carb., dist.,
plugs and wires, radiator houses, 5qts. oil

Daren

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After the scare I got from the list, thinking I was toast for going into
the Q4 vs 307, I talked to Greg and think this is a REAL good idea on my
part....

I appologize for wasting a LOT of bandwidth on the Q4 thread, and I am
aiming to keep outta the arena for good.....
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
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 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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Howard H wrote:
>
> I'm in search of a "Super Stock Chrome" wheel for my '84 Hurst. At least
> that's the nomenclature used in my manual.
> Basically this is the original 15" chrome wheel with the red stripe on the
> outer edge of the rim. Same wheel I beleive is on the '83 Hurst. If anybody
> has one or a lead on one, or does anyone know if and where they can be
> straightened (mine is out of round) please let me know.
> Thanks and Happy Holidays to all!
>
>       ___   ___ ___
>      /  /  /  //  /
>     /  /__/  //  /
>    /  HURST //  /
>   /  /  /  //  /_______
>  /__/  /__//  //  ___  \
>           /  //  /   \  \
>          /  //  /OLDS/  /
>         /  / \  \___/  /
>        /__/   \_______/
>
>   Howard Hosenbold
>   howardh@magicnet.net
>   1984 Hurst Olds
>   Production ª 2748
>   OCA ª 024551
>   HOCA ª 1259
>   OCF ª 24551


If you want the whole wheel, call Ray at Muscle Car Headquarters, (516)
753-0720. Last I spoke to him, he had them new "NOS" in the boxes. Also
ask him about getting yours straightened. If you need the red stripe, I
was able to order that by itself a while ago. Don't know if its still
available from GM. One thing though, they might be expensive !

Good Luck !

- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


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From: Padavano.Joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>
>     I don't want to imply any kind of election fixing or anything here,

If you have more than one email account (excite,hotmail,rocketmail...). Send
a message from each account. Just make sure it doesn't include your normal
account address.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:39:14 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: 455 fit in 1981 Delta

Igor,

The 455 is about an inch taller and about 1.5 inches wider that the 350
block.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 12:52 AM
Subject: 455 fit in 1981 Delta


>I have pulled the 455 out of the 76 Delta, together with all the
>components.  Also, the 307 is out of the 81 Delta.  I would like to rebuild
>the 455 and put it in the 81 Delta, but I am not sure wether the 455 will
>fit.  I was looking at it, and from the looks of it i doubt that the 455
>will fit with exaust manifolds installed.  It is just a tad too wide.
>Please, if anyone has done this swap, is it possible and will the 455 bolt
>right up.  I also have a realy good shape TH250 in it with a trans cooler.
>I would like to mate this dog tranny to the mild 455 until I can afford
>another trans.  I also have the TH400 out of the 76 Delta but I have heard
>that
>I would need to do extensive mods to the car to fit this tranny in.
>Will the TH250 last a while behind the 455.  Also, I would really
>like headers on the 455, but as I said I don't even know wether the stock
>exaust
>will fit.  If the motor fits, is there anything I could do or are there any
>small headers that will fit that clearance.  I would appreciate if you
>could give me advice on what to watch for or things that will not fit the
>81Delta/455 combo.  Thanks.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>1981 Delta 88 (now a project)
>1981 Regancy 307
>1976 Delta 88 455
>1995 Intrepid 3.3L
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:07:03 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Gasket Questions

> In my Chiltons manual it tells me to torque them to 25.  It doesnt say
> to dip it in oil, if it wanted me to it would have a ª7 next to it(ª7
> says to dip entire bolt in oil and clean.)  What should I do?

IMHO, that refers to bolts which are installed in an environment where
dirt _anywhere_ on the bolt could be a problem; e.g. bolts inside the
transmission. The oil cleaning also leaves a film of oil behind which
prevents rusting prior to installation.

Any bolts to be torqued need a light coating of oil on the threads for
proper torque measurement. Without the oil, the metal-to-metal
surfaces can bind before proper torque is reached, giving your torque
wrench a misleadingly-high reading. The idea of torquing the bolts
puts the load on the joint by slightly _stretching_ the bolts. If the
threads bind up before proper torque is reached, you've twisted the
bolt to the necessary torque, but you haven't actually _tightened_
the connection you're trying to put together.

> Do u have to put any sealer on the top of the gasket, which the
manifold
> sits on?

Can't say specifically, but IMHO it's a good idea to put gasket sealer
on just about any gasket other than exhaust systems. No need to go
overboard with it; I use D&W Copper Coat, for example, which puts down
a slightly sticky coat that helps glue the gasket to both surfaces.

> And what do u say about torqing the bolts. Start from the inside and
go
> out, or should I do like the book shows and go from the outside in?

You do it exactly the way the book tells you, period. The sequence they
tell you to use (probably tightening in two stages as well) takes into
account the squirming and flexing of the parts as you tighten them.

- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:11:15 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: sway bars

Howie,

I have a 1 3/8' sway bar from a 2nd generation Trans-Am bolted to the front
of my 68 442, no mods other than aftermarket urethane bushings & end links.
Made a WORLD of difference. I'm looking for a bigger bar for the back...I
had a buddy that had 1 7/8" bars front & rear on his 71 Supreme
Conv...Outrageous!

If your going to change bars, make it a noticeable change!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net on 12/18/97 09:21:21 PM

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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  sway bars




would anyone knows places (other than jc whitney) to get a rear sway bar
for my 71 cultass? nothing against jc, but i've heard unpleasant things
about them.
Howie

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:24:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: 4 core radiator

I wrote:

>> One thing to lookout for is that the radiator is correct for an Olds.  I
>> got a 4 row rad once that had the drain valve on the bottom of the new
>> radiator.  This was a problem because it wouldn't sit in the car properly,
>> and I would never have been able to easily reach the drain valve.
>> The drain valve on the radiator should face the engine.


Edward J. Hufnagel responded:

> My Olds has a petcock that goes straight down so that is not
> a correct identifier.


Point taken. I'm not saying that the petcock facing the engine is correct
for all Olds.  But the original question pertained to a 72 Cutlass.  Ed,
what Olds do you have?

I will amend my earlier statement.  Pay attention to the
location of the petcock or drain valve on your current radiator.  You will
want to get a radiator with a similar setup if possible.

In my case (a 71 Cutlass), the radiator with the drain valve on the bottom
was incorrect, and the radiator did not sit where it should.  The original
post mentioned a 72 Cutlass, which is the same in this case as my 71.

- --
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:30:41 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Are Headers worth it??

Everybody I have talked to says that stock exhaust manifolds work best with
original heads, I'll probably do some porting & polishing on my X & Y
manifolds before they go back on to help smooth things out.

Just my onion!

Scott Wheeler
68442 Conv
Dallas




irahs@earthlink.net on 12/19/97 02:56:08 AM

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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Are Headers worth it??




Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
maintainance).  Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:32:34 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: sway bars

In addition, T/A Sway bars are cheap & plentiful...I got mine for $40!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




iao2@cdc.gov on 12/19/97 10:23:03 AM

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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: sway bars




Howie,
one of the best places to get any kind of suspension stuff from is PST
(Performance Suspension Technology) 1-800-247-2288.  Check out their web
site at http://www.p-s-t.com/
Everybody I know who has ordered stuff from them has been very pleased
with the fit and quality of the parts as well as the shipping/handling.
Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:21:21 -0500
>From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
>Subject: sway bars
>
>would anyone knows places (other than jc whitney) to get a rear sway >bar
for my 71 cultass? nothing against jc, but i've heard unpleasant >things
about them.
>
>Howie

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:35:07 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: "84 Hurst Wheel

General announcement,

I know a guy down here in Dallas that has a set of these that have been
custom widened & re-chromed to show quality...GORGEOUS!!!!!

They have monster meats on them & they ain't cheap...I'll post more info as
soon as I can!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




3STICKS@stjohns.edu on 12/19/97 10:35:14 AM

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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: "84 Hurst Wheel




Howard H wrote:
>
> I'm in search of a "Super Stock Chrome" wheel for my '84 Hurst. At least
> that's the nomenclature used in my manual.
> Basically this is the original 15" chrome wheel with the red stripe on
the
> outer edge of the rim. Same wheel I beleive is on the '83 Hurst. If
anybody
> has one or a lead on one, or does anyone know if and where they can be
> straightened (mine is out of round) please let me know.
> Thanks and Happy Holidays to all!
>
>       ___   ___ ___
>      /  /  /  //  /
>     /  /__/  //  /
>    /  HURST //  /
>   /  /  /  //  /_______
>  /__/  /__//  //  ___  \
>           /  //  /   \  \
>          /  //  /OLDS/  /
>         /  / \  \___/  /
>        /__/   \_______/
>
>   Howard Hosenbold
>   howardh@magicnet.net
>   1984 Hurst Olds
>   Production ª 2748
>   OCA ª 024551
>   HOCA ª 1259
>   OCF ª 24551

If you want the whole wheel, call Ray at Muscle Car Headquarters, (516)
753-0720. Last I spoke to him, he had them new "NOS" in the boxes. Also
ask him about getting yours straightened. If you need the red stripe, I
was able to order that by itself a while ago. Don't know if its still
available from GM. One thing though, they might be expensive !
Good Luck !
- --
Bill !
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4          |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:44:18 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: My appology

>After the scare I got from the list, thinking I was toast for going into
>the Q4 vs 307

307 is no challenge for a Q4, honestly don't know what you could compare.

AEROTECH

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:54:52 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: shoot me now

At 10:37 PM 12/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Charley Buehner wrote:
>>
>> > Sure, the Quad4's are different, but HOW IN H*LL do you get EXHAUST
>> > GASES in the CRANKCASE?!?
>>
>> Uhhh, I'll type it slowly for y'all...  B-L-O-W--B-Y
>
Whoever

i made it clear from the git go that the Q4 did not have an EGR valve, as
it also does not have a PCV. i think you all would agree that some gas
(exhaust if you wish to call it) passes by the rings and into the
crankcase. now those gas vapors are recirculated to the intake via vacuum
lines and an oil separtor. it's a CV system cuz no fresh air is induced
into the crankcase.

AEROTECH

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:05:22 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: teaching opportunities

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Still not as bad as "You gotta
> four-fourty-two in that?"
> ==================
> I never heard any other suggestions for the proper response to such a
> question... did not that missive I sent make it to the list?
>

Acutally, you could make a 442 from a 425. you'd have to bore it out to
about 4.402 and get some custom pistons and all that expensive stuff.

- -Matt where the hell is my sig file?! Cremean

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:08:33 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Test.... Delete

Testing, 1. 2. 3. testing

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:10:18 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: [none]

I'm going to digest mode for a while........it's tough to keep up
real-time....especially at work!!!!



===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:30:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: teaching opportunities

>Acutally, you could make a 442 from a 425. you'd have to bore it out to
>about 4.402 and get some custom pistons and all that expensive stuff.
>
>-Matt where the hell is my sig file?! Cremean

Matt is right... if you take a 425 with stock bore X stroke (4.126 X 3.974)
and bore it .080 over you end up with 55.21490 ci per cylinder or 441.72 ci
total. Rounded up that _is_ a 442 cid plant. Cool.

Are .080 over pistons hard to come by?

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:38:05 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: 1/98 Pop Hot Rodding

If you haven't seen it there's a killer write up on the Centennial
featuring a shot of Her Royal Highness, Linda Vaughn proudly atop a 72 H/O
conv.

Check it out!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:40:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

> I can do Georgia and bordering states....

I'll keep track of who volunteers for where.  So far we have Lisa doing
California to Arizona, and Ingmar for Georgia and surrounding area.  I'll
do Florida.  If you'd like to take this opportunity to volunteer to drive
lovely Oldsmobiles long distances for free, e-mail me privately and let me
know.

8)
peg
peg@grove.ufl.edu

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