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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, January 28 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1075



Re: Automotive Machine Shops in LA
Don't read
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: 71 Body Alignment
Re: 71 W-30 Intake & Carb Wanted
Underpowered!?!
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
Re: 3 speed lightning rods?
1970 Radio piece needed
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Buying parts from private parties
71/72 Quarters?
455 Roller Cams
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
Re: gas tank tube
Re: gas tank tube
Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes
ADMIN: was re: Pics
Underpowered!?!
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
re:Olds "in the movies" list
Re: gas tank tube
Re: Use of your product 104+
Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time
Exhaust crossover as an H pipe?
Re: ADVISE
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
Re: 3 speed lightning rods?
Re: Buying parts from private parties
455 Roller Cams
'76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
75 olds parts for sale
65 V6 olds
Re: 1970 Radio piece needed
wtd: '70 wheel well trims
wtd: 68 Toro pcs
72 W30  Stencil kit
Re: Use of your product 104+
G-body interchangeability
Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes
Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
Re: Vacuum Lines??
Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time
engine paint, a car, my truck
1962 F-85 w/ alum. engine
Re: Use of your product 104+
Re: Buying parts from private parties
Re: ADVISE
Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time
Re: W-MACHINES Web Page
Re: 71/72 Quarters?
394 parts, Mallory Dual-point
Re: 71/72 Quarters?
Re: Wtd: 4spoke Rallye St. Wheel
Re: Pics
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time
Re: Buying parts from private parties
Re: THM 200 4R Question

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:05:10 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Automotive Machine Shops in LA

Joseph,

I'd recommend Dave Smith Engineering, over in Corona (909) 371-7040.

Dave and Karen run a first-class operation, they'll treat you right.

Ken Snyder

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:46:55 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Don't read

Test

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:42:36 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

I've got a question about this.  I promise to keep it short.  Now, if I
recall, there was a movie a little while back that starred Henry "the
Fonz" Winkler and Miriam D'Abo that had a customized, red, '69 442
convertible in it.  Obviously, the movie wasn't a great one, but the car
sure was.  For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the
movie.....any ideas?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:50:58 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Body Alignment

> I asked for some help in alignment dimensions for a 71 442 conv. body to help
> me get my body parts properly adjusted.
> I could use any information regarding door/fender/body gaps.
>
> Can anyone here help me ?

For pete's sake Steve!  Just slap it together like the factory did!  :)

I did find some in the 71 shop manual. What alignments were you
specifically looking for?  Anyway, here's what I found:

Front bumper to fender--
5/8" gap between side edge top of bumper and fender (behind the
headlights)

1" gap between bottom side edge of bumper and fender (down below the
side marker)

Hood-- 1/8" gap down the sides

Fender to rocker panel--
0 to 1/8" gap

Fender to front edge of door---

1/4" max clearance

Rear bumper--

Top side edge of bumper to quarter panel gap is 1/2"

Lower side edge of bumper to quarter gap is 7/8" (below side marker
light)

Does this help?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:52:38 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 71 W-30 Intake & Carb Wanted

> I'm looking for information (as well as the actual parts) on the carb
> and intake manifold for a 71 W-30. Numbers, ID marks, etc. would all be
> helpful.


Try the FAQ at Bryceman's page www.442.com  I'd look it up for you, but
then, that would take all the fun out of it, wouldn't it???

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:57:03 EST
From: NjOlds <NjOlds@aol.com>
Subject: Underpowered!?!

    Hello Olds lovers out there.  I need help!  I have an ' 87 Olds Cutlass
Supreme with the 307 c.i. " Y " engine, the Olds engine.  It has a little over
97k miles on it and recently I put an Accel cap, rotor, 8.8 mm wires, and
Accel plugs.  It has a little more Kick but now it hesitates from the start.
I'm wondering if it is the distributor module, should I change that also?  Can
anyone help me out w/my problem.  And can anyone tell me if there are any
after market parts out there for my Olds. engine such as high perf. heads,
headers,and so on.  Thanx in advance for anyones help.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:13 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

Ray and Joe,

I have a 80 Starfire with a 231 V-6, and have thought about the same thing
(turbo) for it after I get done playing with it in SCCA Solo II (no turbos
allowed in Street Prepared unless they were available in that exact car). Do
either of you know of any places I can find more info about these engines? My
experience is in the small-block Olds, with a foray or two into C-land (only
when I have to)

Thanks,

Ken Snyder
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:21:27 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3 speed lightning rods?

Ray,

I think at one time Hurst sold those Lightning Rods outright, and they fit
regular Turbo 350's and 400's.

I think they really give a kick@ss image to an interior, I thought of
installing them in my 70 Cutlass Supreme SX at one time, bit I'm thinking of
another route now.

Ken Snyder

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:33:34 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: 1970 Radio piece needed

Olds List:
I am in need of a rear speaker fader switch/knob for my 70 radio. Does anyone
have one for sale or know where I can get one?

Jim
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/BHCHOCKEY/bigw31">70 Cutlass W31</A>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:00:23 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

- -----Original Message-----
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list


>I've got a question about this.  I promise to keep it short.  Now, if
I
>recall, there was a movie a little while back that starred Henry "the
>Fonz" Winkler and Miriam D'Abo that had a customized, red, '69 442
>convertible in it.  Obviously, the movie wasn't a great one, but the
car
>sure was.  For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the
>movie.....any ideas?
>
>Mike Rothe

National Lampoon's Dads Week Off, if the actress is named Olivia
D'abo. It was a 1997 TV movie.
I did a search on the Internet Movie Database. http://us.imdb.com/
You can search by almost any info on movies, with the exception of
Oldsmobiles ;-)

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:11:36 -0600
From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Subject: Buying parts from private parties

I have been in discussion with a fellow list member about
my purchase of some not-so-inexpensive parts (approaching
$200).  I am concerned about sending money until I see
that they are in undamaged condition, and he wants to
get my money before sending them.  This creates a
dilemma.  I was wondering if anybody had a good suggestion
on how to resolve this impasse.  It is extremely probable
that he is a totally trustworthy gentleman, but I guess
I have heard too many horror stories.

Brett Chaveriat
mailto:brett@mcs.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:30:57 -0500
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: 71/72 Quarters?

I have a question. I thought that in 71, 442/Cutlass had the same
style quarter panels as the 70. Rounded with the "hump" on it. I was
looking at the Members registry on Brycemans page and I noticed alot of
the cars  that were listed as 71 had squared off quarters like 72. Am I
wrong or did 72 have the square style quarter and 71 were rounded. I've
noticed this alot and also in some car amgazines. All the pictures had
the correct year bumpers. I have a 71 442 and they are rounded.

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:51:51 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: 455 Roller Cams

Does anyone have any experiences *good or bad* running a roller cam setup
in a 455?

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:12:15 EST
From: Claypol442 <Claypol442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

Hey i am not the one that wrote the letter sking about the movie.  But I would
be interested in haveing you dube it for me.  If you will please e-mail me
back.


Thank you,
matt bissell,


I HAVE NO CAR.
But my dad has a 70 442 W-30 and a 69 h/o that he is going to  rebiuld

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:37:48 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

One thing about the Turbos to keep in mind is the oiling system's
condition prior to installation.  If there's any bearing wear
whatsoever, don't even think about it.  You'd be begging to wipe it
out.  Turbos are rather picky about their oil (considerring they turn at
what, 10 Grand or so?)  The tubular exhaust associated with it is sure
nice, though.  I've been tempted many times to rob my Turbo Regal of
it's turbo parts, at least until I get the ~rest~ of it together,
anyway.  Might do it over the summer, but I still have no idea what kind
of condition it's in.

- --
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:43:35 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: gas tank tube

EDZX6 wrote:
>
> I e-mailed this question a couple of days ago and got no replys so I'm
> thinking that maybe it didn't go through.  So here it goes again, does anyone
> know how to replace the gas tank filler tube on a 72 Cutlass S.  Mine is
> damaged and needs replacement if possible.

If you have another one, you can usually scare up a radiator shop, or
someone that specializes in gas tank repair to "un" solder your old one
and put in the new.  This is something you DO NOT want to try at home.
Gas fumes are DANGEROUS!  That, unfortunately, is the only way.  They
usually do a purge with either nitrogen gas, or sink the unit in a vat
of water to do the torchwork.  Check around, I'm sure someone near you
could do this work.  Sorry, that's all I can come up with.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:22:09 -0500
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: gas tank tube

Eddie,

I replaced my gas tank last summer and found that it was necessary to take
the old tank and new tank to a radiator repair shop.  There, they removed
the filler neck and welded it on the new tank.  I would imagine that you
are going to have to do something similar.

Perhaps locate a used tank (or just the neck) and take your old tank down
to someone to install it for you.  I don't recall seeing filler necks in
any catalogs and new tanks usually come without them.

John
jgill@idmi.com


- ----------
> From: EDZX6 <EDZX6@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: gas tank tube
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 2:32 PM
>
> I e-mailed this question a couple of days ago and got no replys so I'm
> thinking that maybe it didn't go through.  So here it goes again, does
anyone
> know how to replace the gas tank filler tube on a 72 Cutlass S.  Mine is
> damaged and needs replacement if possible.  I hate to have to replace the
> entire gas tank.
> Thanks in advance for any info that will help me resolve this problem.
>
> Eddie
> 72 Cutlass S   conv / 4spd

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:03:46 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes

Jim Hurd wrote:
>
> At 11:51 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Anyone got some decent SSIII Chrome wheels they like to oh, say sell???

>
>         Try this number (330)453-7965.  I was looking to buy a car from them
> (private) and they had a set of SSIII's they were selling seperate.  I think
> they were looking for about 400-500$ for them.  They are located in Canton,
> OH.  About 1 1/2 hrs from you. (your in pittsburgh right).  I'm in Akron,
> OH.  I didn't look at the wheels but he said they were in excellent 
condition.

Thanx for the tip, will call tomorrow.  To answer you question, I am in
Charleston, SC......  but I've got an uncle in Pittsburgh... <G>
- --
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:26:05 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: ADMIN: was re: Pics

Just a note, for any newcomers to read this.  Do not send pictures to
the list, they need to go to a private e-mail only.

(Lord only knows that Chebucto has enough problems as it is!)  The
digest folks tend to get a bit excited when pics are sent to
 the list.

- --
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:27:41 EST
From: NjOlds <NjOlds@aol.com>
Subject: Underpowered!?!

   Hello Olds lovers out there.  I need help!  I have an ' 87 Olds Cutlass
Supreme with the 307 c.i. " Y " engine, the Olds engine.  It has a little over
97k miles on it and recently I put an Accel cap, rotor, 8.8 mm wires, and
Accel plugs.  It has a little more Kick but now it hesitates from the start.
I'm wondering if it is the distributor module, should I change that also?  Can
anyone help me out w/my problem.  And can anyone tell me if there are any
after market parts out there for my Olds. engine such as high perf. heads,
headers,and so on.  Thanx in advance for anyones help.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:41:41 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

>I have a 80 Starfire with a 231 V-6, and have thought about the same thing
>(turbo) for it after I get done playing with it in SCCA Solo II (no turbos
>allowed in Street Prepared unless they were available in that exact car). Do
>either of you know of any places I can find more info about these engines?

There is a good homepage dedicated to turbo buicks:

http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:44:06 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: re:Olds "in the movies" list

Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu> wrote:


>>I want to start a list of Oldses to appear in movies and throw them on a
>>web page,

I believe there are some movies listed in the Olds FAQ at 442.com.

>>I have these so far:

>>White Men Can't Jump
>>Kingpin
>>A Christmas Story
>>Howard Stern's Private Parts (i think, can anybody confirm this? I
>>remember that it drove by in the background while a car was stopped
>>somewhere)
>>Dazed and Confused

As for the Howard Stern movie, yeah, it's a nice 70ish blue Cutlass that
drives by in the background while Howard and his wife are stopped at a gas
station to discuss his problems with his career.  Right before he gets to
NY I think.

Brady Bunch sequel has a nice Cutlass in it also.  It's Mike's car several
scenes have it.  I can't think of anything else right now, although there
are many!!

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:09:02 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: gas tank tube

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, EDZX6 wrote:

> I e-mailed this question a couple of days ago and got no replys so I'm
> thinking that maybe it didn't go through.  So here it goes again, does anyone
> know how to replace the gas tank filler tube on a 72 Cutlass S.  Mine is
> damaged and needs replacement if possible.  I hate to have to replace the
> entire gas tank.
> Thanks in advance for any info that will help me resolve this problem.
>
> Eddie
> 72 Cutlass S   conv / 4spd
>

I'll tell you now, no I don't know.  But with all the damn things I've had
to fix on my car, you'd think I'd have done it all.  Then reality hits and
tells me that I've probably only done about .02% of what I will be fixing
in the years to come.  It's non-stop!  Non-stop learning though too.



Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:37:53 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Use of your product 104+

He's off a few years.  Starts with some '71s

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Use of your product 104+
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:09 AM
>
> I wrote:
>
> > I have used your product before and it has worked the best out of the
> > other octane boosters I have tried.  My question is that since my car
> > is pre-catalytic converter and high-compression (68 Olds 442) does
> > your product help to lubricate the valves like original leaded
> > gasoline did?
> >
> > I would like to use a product that has the lubrication and octane all
> > in one package.
>
> R Thomas Wicks (from 104+) wrote:
>
> > yes but the 442 after 1967 had hardened valve seats check with Olds
> > you should not need valve lube
>
>
> OK folks is his statement true?
>
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:44:00 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time

I have a tech. question for all of you:

Has anyone ever pulled both their engine and tranny out at the same time??
Specifically on a G-body Cutlass.  Charley B, how 'bout you?

Would it be easier to do both at the same time?  Are there clearance
problems I should be aware of?  Does the front end need to be off to do
this?  Does the car need to be raised to tilt out the tranny?

I've never undertaken something this monumental before, so please excuse my
inexperience. As a novice would I be better off doing each separately?
Any information that could be offered would be more than welcome.

I'm not tackling this yet but want to be well prepared for when I do.
Hopefully this will get done during the month of February, if everything
works out.

Thanks,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:44:03 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Exhaust crossover as an H pipe?

Hello everyone,

Here's a silly thought that entered my head and I was wondering if anyone
would have some feedback on it.  I'm planning to do some major
modifications to my Cutlass in the coming weeks/months, one of them being a
true dual exhaust.  I remember a few months back the list discussed the
virtues of an H pipe in the exhaust.  However, I was wondering if
fabricating a Y pipe off the left manifold, (one leg of the Y going
straight back and the other going in the original direction of the
crossover) if that crossover pipe would function simialrly as an H pipe
would?

I'm basically looking to have a dual exhaust, while keeping the O2 sensor
and remaining computer compatible.  I can't have the O2 sensor just
checking exhaust from one side of the engine, can I??

Any thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:20:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

If you are not familiar with Mondello (Olds Performance parts and experts)
let me know and I'll get the address/phone number and catalog info.  They
have anything you can need for an Olds, but at the price of exotica of
course.
I'm guessing, but the F on the heads just indicates the year.  With that
you know the combustion chamber size, etc. with a reference, ie. Mondello
catalog.  I definitely recommend checking out Mondello at least for ideas
of what components work well together for the performance you desire.

Oh and as far as hybrid vehicles, I'd say an Olds powered Chevy is better
than a Chevy powered Olds!

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:23:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, KS7RACING wrote:

> Ray and Joe,
>
> I have a 80 Starfire with a 231 V-6, and have thought about the same thing
> (turbo) for it after I get done playing with it in SCCA Solo II (no turbos
> allowed in Street Prepared unless they were available in that exact car). Do
> either of you know of any places I can find more info about these engines? My
> experience is in the small-block Olds, with a foray or two into C-land (only
> when I have to)
>
> Thanks,
>
Ya know, I just had the Turbo Buick address, but now it's gone.  Someone
around here knows it.  There's gotta be volumes of info there since it's a
one-engine list.

Someone have that address?

> Ken Snyder
> KS7RACING@aol.com
>

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:24:55 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 3 speed lightning rods?

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, KS7RACING wrote:

HEY, CAN ANYONE VALIDATE THIS?  OR DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET THIS
SHIFTER?  THANKYOU VERY MUCH!


> Ray,
>
> I think at one time Hurst sold those Lightning Rods outright, and they fit
> regular Turbo 350's and 400's.

Yeah!  That rules!
>


> I think they really give a kick@ss image to an interior, I thought of
> installing them in my 70 Cutlass Supreme SX at one time, bit I'm thinking of
> another route now.
>





> Ken Snyder
>

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:27:56 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Brett Chaveriat wrote:

> I have been in discussion with a fellow list member about
> my purchase of some not-so-inexpensive parts (approaching
> $200).  I am concerned about sending money until I see
> that they are in undamaged condition, and he wants to
> get my money before sending them.  This creates a
> dilemma.  I was wondering if anybody had a good suggestion
> on how to resolve this impasse.  It is extremely probable
> that he is a totally trustworthy gentleman, but I guess
> I have heard too many horror stories.


I'm facing the same dilemma with a $350 item.  The only solution I came up
with so far is to see if the guy knows anyone in my area who he'd trust to
send the unit to, and then I'd buy it from him.  Other than that?  Maybe a
banker can help you with a post-dated but certified check that you could
put a stop payment on if necessary after you don't get what you want?  Of
course, as a summer bank teller, i'll admit that I usually forget to look
at the dates!  Maybe I shouldn't be saying that.  Hmmm.

>
> Brett Chaveriat
> mailto:brett@mcs.com
>

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:34:16 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: 455 Roller Cams

Does anyone have any experiences *good or bad* running a roller cam setup
in a 455?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:40:04 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

Hey, Olds guys and gals,

Still searching for that elusive rustfree rolling chassis somewhere between
San Diego and Michigan.......anyone have one/know of one?

Thanks,

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:50:35 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: 75 olds parts for sale

Hi,Im Making My 75 olds delta 88 convrt a custom,so i got extra parts,
trim, emblems,interior parts ,grills ,hubcaps.send me a list of parts.

Ryan.D
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:48:35 -0800
From: "John" <jpoynter@valunet.com>
Subject: 65 V6 olds

Help I"am looking for a two barrel intake for my wifes 65 V6 olds cutlass.
It came with a single barrel carb, trying to pep it up a little any help
would be apreached.jpoynter@valunet.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:53:53 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 Radio piece needed

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>I am in need of a rear speaker fader switch/knob for my 70 radio. Does
anyone
>have one for sale or know where I can get one?
>
>Jim
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:56:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wtd: '70 wheel well trims

Anyone can hlep this guy?


Forwarded message:
> From CHITTY@texasonline.net Tue Jan 27 15:43:42 1998
> From: " Donald Chitty" <CHITTY@texasonline.net>
> I am needing wheel opening mouldings for front & rear on both sides.
> I have a 1970 Olds 442, hardtop, 2 door.  Can you help?

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:57:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wtd: 68 Toro pcs

Anyone can help Mary/ Eric/ Fred??


> From schleter@bright.net Tue Jan 27 07:11:17 1998
> From: "mary schleter" <schleter@bright.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:15:11 -0500
>
> We need 68 toro parts like vinal top crome trim, tail light lenses master
> cylinder,rear bumper,trunk lid. Eric Schleter 37 Circular st. Tiffin, Ohio
> 44883, 419-447-0475  ask for eric or fred

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:06:17 -0500
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: 72 W30  Stencil kit

Hi evryone, I would like to know if anybody out there knows where I can
get a stencil kit for a 70-72 W30's at.    Thanks alot .   Todd Thomas
Clarendon,PA

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:27:56 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Use of your product 104+

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Use of your product 104+


>snip>
>> I would like to use a product that has the lubrication and octane
all
>> in one package.
>
>R Thomas Wicks (from 104+) wrote:
>
>> yes but the 442 after 1967 had hardened valve seats check with Olds
>> you should not need valve lube
>
>
>OK folks is his statement true?
>
>Chris Sparks

Chris,
Not until '71 as far as I know.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:40:20 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: G-body interchangeability

Hi all.

I was wondering if anyone's tried bolting the header panel, bumper and
bumper filler of a newer cutlass onto a 1980 cutlass.  Likewise, I was
wondering if anyone has tried doing the same with the rear bumper, quarter
extensions, bumper fillers, tailight assemblies and trunklid.  I'm just
wondering if it's possible, impossible, not worth the trouble, etc.

I'm asking because I prefer the look of the later models with the swoopier
contours from the bumper to header panel as opposed to the way my 1980's
5mph bumpers just sorta stick out.  I was thinking of maybe swaping the nose
and tail of my 1980 Calais for a newer car's if I could find cheap parts.
Since I'm probably going to replace the bumpers for better looking lest
rusty specemins anyway I thought maybe with a little extra impact wrenching
I could bolt on the better looking (IMHO) parts.

Thanks

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cultass Calais

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:42 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes

RPTW32 wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-27 04:27:50 EST, you write:
>
> <<
>  Anyone got some decent SSIII Chrome wheels they like to oh, say sell??? >>
>
> I can possibly come up with a set of 15" ones.
> I'll check to see if they are still available.
> Where ya from  as shipping from Detroit could prove expensive.

I am in SC, depending on condition, chances are it COULD end up in
Pittsburgh.
- --
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:53:29 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: WTB: SSIII Chromes

Ray wrote:

> Hey Jerry,
> I think I have the wheels you want.  They're 14x?'s, and they are the same
> as any Olds rally wheel on the 80's Cutli, well kinda.  Instead of the
> beauty ring and the five pop-on triangular trim pieces, the wheel is all
> one piece and all chrome.  I know these are some special order kinda
> wheel, H/O, maybe?  They are on my car now, but I'll probably want to get
> rid of them because the 205 70 14's on em can't do the job of the 235 60
> 15's on my Centerlines.  Problem is, I cracked one of the Centerlines, and
> the 235s rub the frame in the rear.  So, I need to replace one wheel and
> get spacers, or replace all wheels.  That is currently 3rd on my priority
> list.  Just let me know how patient you are, and I'll hook you up if you
> don't come across any others.

Yeah, I can wait, I gotta get the IRS Check! <G> They are the one's like
Adcock's got on his 84.
- --
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:53:46 -0500
From: "Stephen F. Bento" <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

Greg Pruett wrote:
>
> >Here's the situation: 82 Cultass Calais.  231 V6.  No power
> >whatsoever.  Who you recommend swapping in a V8
>
> >  How much work is involved with the
> >turbo installation, as I have little knowledge on them.
>
> You need a little more than just the turbo.  You'll at least need the
> manifolds that go along with it.  If I'm not mistaken you need a special
> intake manifold, even with a carburetor.  The turbo mounts to the intake and
> then the carbueretor mounts to the turbo.  The exhaust manifolds are
> different too.  The V6 may also need the bottom end beffed up and the
> gearing may need changed since turbos run better with low gears.

True, although I don't think I would bother with the carb/ turbo
setup...There kind of slow...actually there really slow!! although they
do have some potential...Best bet is to find a wrecked or recovered
theft 86-87 GN or T-Type and grab everything!! ;-)

>

The electronic spark control in the
> EFI engines allows for more boost before detonation.  The intercoolers that
> came on the later cars and the somewhat cooler fuel temps that result from
> EFI also help allow more boost.

True, also you cannot use an intercooler on a draw through turbo setup..

>
> >Will I be
> >able to find them in a salvage yard, or have to buy one somewhere
> >else?
>
> I doubt you'll find a turbo regal in a junkyard, though it's certainly worth
> looking if you're really interested.  I've never found one and I would bet
> that most of the people who own these cars by now are collectors, so if
> anything happens to one it's probably going to be kept for parts or stripped
> before it goes to the boneyard.
>
> The turbo is about $500 new.  I don't know what the special carbuereted
> manifold would cost but an EFI system would likely be a couple thousand
> dollars or more.

Actually if you shop around you might find a decent deal...I was
skimming through a Want Ad not to long ago and I found a complete 86 GN
engine/trans/rearend with wiring harness,computer and all the goodies
for $1,500 or b.o. depending on mileage and condition thats a pretty
good deal in my book..

>
> > I heard they go out after 25-50K miles,
> >is this true?
>
> I knew a guy who had a 86 GN and the turbo went out at about 50k miles.
> I've read that turbo failures are often caused by improper maintinence since
> most folks don't know they have different requirements.  (For instance the
> oil has to be changed more frequently, and under certain circumstances the
> engine has to idle for a couple of minuits before it should be shut off, 
etc.)

There are TONS of people who have gone over 100k miles in 85-up SVO's,
Merkurs and T-Birds with the watercooled turbos..These cars came with
Garrett and IHI turbos. The GN uses a Garrett turbo (not sure which
model) but I am guessing it is water cooled also...Just make sure you
change the oil all the time (between 2k-3k miles) and you should be all
set.  If your running a turbo with a non watercooled housing make sure
you run it at idle for a couple of minutes to allow it to cool down,
this prevents the oil from coking in the turbo and blocking the oil
passages.

Good luck with your project!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:53:50 EST
From: Oldsnut <Oldsnut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum Lines??

I would recommend getting a hose diagram from a shop manual.  Hose routing is
different from year to year and can vary depending on the equipment the car
has.

In a message dated 98-01-25 01:25:08 EST, you write:

<< I am getting ready to replace my 4011 Holley with a rebuilt Q-Jet.
 There are three vacuum ports and one PCV port on the carb and I am
 wondering what connects to the different ports.  There are two in the
 back and one in the front.  Now I know that one is for the choke but
 what hooks to the other ones?  Any help is greatly appreciated!

 Thanks,
 --
 Chris Miller
 '68 442
 Tustin, CA
 mailto:cya442@mindspring.com >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:12:50 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time

Deirdre:

I suggest you pull them out individually. Otherwise, if you pull them
out together where are you going to place them, on the ground?  Pull the
trans first. That way once you pull the engine you can immediately bolt
the engine, while it's still on the hoist, to an engine stand.  I pulled
them out together before and I was left with a pool of trans fluid
EVERYWHERE!.  Looked like Jason had hacked someone up with an axe in my
garage, for cryin' out loud!

- -Loris

deirdre. reilly wrote:
>
> I have a tech. question for all of you:
>
> Has anyone ever pulled both their engine and tranny out at the same time??
> Specifically on a G-body Cutlass.  Charley B, how 'bout you?
>
> Would it be easier to do both at the same time?  Are there clearance
> problems I should be aware of?  Does the front end need to be off to do
> this?  Does the car need to be raised to tilt out the tranny?
>
> I've never undertaken something this monumental before, so please excuse my
> inexperience. As a novice would I be better off doing each separately?
> Any information that could be offered would be more than welcome.
>
> I'm not tackling this yet but want to be well prepared for when I do.
> Hopefully this will get done during the month of February, if everything
> works out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:04:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: engine paint, a car, my truck

for what it's worth... I FINALLY found the problem with my
  "F$%&, Our Ride Died"
truck! It kept getting slower & slower, top speed losing about 5 mph per
week... chugging on acceleration or higher speeds. Spent all last weekend
removing, then reinstalling, the exhaust system figuring it HAD to be clogged
cats. Within the last year or so:  tune-up. New rear fuel tank, with new
sending unit & pump, new main fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator. Oh, yeah,
it's an 86 302 MPFI motor. Recent investigations revealed that TPS yields a
smooth continuous signal. MAP sensor swapped out to no avail. Last weekend's
festivities included use of a fuel pump pressure tester I fabricated. Deadhead
pressure was good, about 65 psi, installed pressure was cool at 30-35, but
chuggy just like the performance at load. Quantity of flow was a bit low, like
1/2 pint a minute- guessing- not timed accurately or anything. Removed main
pump's inlet line, checked tank-pumps' flow: front just dribbled out, rear [the
new one] had -no- flow. Could hear all pumps running.
  Free Oil Pump Drive Rod to the 1st to correctly diagnose this problem?

On other fronts:

>down the paint faster than the bare metal.  see there are many ways to solve
>problems and i just think the crankscraper doesn't work.
>mikey tvb@aol.com
   Mikey,
     From your experience on painting the inside of the block and pan, where
can I get this paint or what type should I use?  I have never heard of this
before but then again I haven't any experience in this.
   Glenn
=================

So, when you paint the engine's innards, do you paint, like, a mural of a fawn
in the grass, or maybe your car burning rubber? :-) How about running over the
surface with the right angle die grinder and the sanding pads first?

Found a white '68 4-door last nite that's been seen around town a lot. Was
pretty pretty, -was-. Gave owner a flier, in case he decides to sell.  Car got
stolen recently, is now biffed in the left front- there goes a perfect pair of
healight "doors" [I hate that term]. Rear bumper still looks great. I told
owner I had some nifty anti-theft ideas, too.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:02:52 EST
From: Oldsnut <Oldsnut@aol.com>
Subject: 1962 F-85 w/ alum. engine

A friend of mine has a 1962 F-85 2-door with what I believe must be the 215 ci
all-aluminum V-8 engine.  The car is totally untouched down to the Rocket V-8
decal on the air cleaner.  It has a bench seat and an automatic.  The body is
straight, the interior is decent and the chrome is very good.   How many of
these cars were made and what would the value of this interesting vehicle?  He
is asking $300.

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:08:46 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Use of your product 104+

 yes but the 442 after 1967 had hardened valve seats check with Olds
> you should not need valve lube


OK folks is his statement true?

Definately not.    GM didn't start putting hardned seats in the heads
for Oldsmobiles until 1971. Even though 1971 still had leaded gas in
almost all stations they must have seen the handwriting on the wall and
started using hardned seats before no lead became to standard.
small blocks starting with ª 7 heads  BIG BLOCKS with G or (H in case of W30)

Rgds,
R.Thomas
69 442   (not to be confused w/ R.Thomas Wicks from 104)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:29:09 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

See if anyone on the list is located close to this individual and
possibly they could check them out for you . At least you'd get a
second opinion unless you've stumbled on one of those once in
a lifetime the seller has no idea what he has situations in which case
you'd be leary of haveing someone else jump on your find. That's a
decision that you'd have to make ......

Other possiblilty is to have the seller send you something in writing stating
that he will accept return of goods and refund you the purchase price (LESS
SHIPPING NO DOUBT) still puts you in situation where you could lose both
ways but in court of law would have document to back up your claim.

just a couple of thoughts.

Rgds,

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:21:38 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

In a message dated 98-01-27 19:22:45 EST, you write:

<<   i am curious what the "F" means on the heads and block. does this
 refer to chamber style, compression, exe. i am looking to made a pretty
 mean motor and if anyone has any advise about any styles of cams,
 compression ratios, headers vs. manifolds, intake manifolds, anything at
 all. if anyone has any time to help me out i would appreshiate it. >>

If you have a set of heads with the letter "F" cast on the lower left corner
these
are valuable as they were factory W30 heads for 1970. The F on the block
dictates
that it is a 455 cid block. You could probably finance alot of your motor
buildup by
selling the F heads ... provided they're in good condition and complete I've
seen them
go for $1200/pr. Of course it's allways a case of supply and demand that
dictates
the price.

 I have a 69 442 @ 3800ª incl me. that has run a best of 12.03 / 112 mph in
street
trim.. thru complete exhaust.

 The basis for making power is in the heads and getting the torque that these
motors put out to the ground.  Cam choices are various and really depend on
the
rest of your combination that you are using. ie, intake, GEAR, carb,  exhaust
size and type as well as converter.

 Check out my friends web page at members.aol.com/wmachines/index.html
he has a complete list of his combination which using a stock W30 alum intake
and Q-jet carb in his 72 W30 has run low 12's in street trim also.
Trust you'll find several potential questions answered there.

Good luck on your build.

Rgds,
R.Thomas
69 442

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:32:05 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time

loris wrote:
>
> EVERYWHERE!.  Looked like Jason had hacked someone up with an axe in my
> garage, for cryin' out loud!

Hey, I never murdered someone in ~your~ garage before! 8-)

Disclaimer:  Obviously, to be taken as light humor ONLY!

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
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| \ \/ / / /CS Major, Virginia Tech|
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|   \/ /_/http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/|
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:26:50 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: W-MACHINES Web Page

Nice job - and nice cars!


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Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:36:04 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 71/72 Quarters?

At 06:30 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote:

        From 70-72 the Cutlass with the squared off quarters was the Cutlass
Supreme (this includes the convertibles. 442 convertibles were based on the
Cutlass Supreme convertible). All others had the rounded quarters. These
were the Cutlass, Cutlass "S", 442, and F-85. Hope this clears your question.

Jim Chermack

>I have a question. I thought that in 71, 442/Cutlass had the same
>style quarter panels as the 70. Rounded with the "hump" on it. I was
>looking at the Members registry on Brycemans page and I noticed alot of
>the cars  that were listed as 71 had squared off quarters like 72. Am I
>wrong or did 72 have the square style quarter and 71 were rounded. I've
>noticed this alot and also in some car amgazines. All the pictures had
>the correct year bumpers. I have a 71 442 and they are rounded.
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:38:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 394 parts, Mallory Dual-point

[[First off, I have in the stash a fine old Mallory dual-point distributor. No
vacuum advance, only speed advance. Since MSD instructions say NOT to use that
with dp dist's... is there any use for such a beast? Remove one set, use it as
sp with the MSD [can't fit HEI dist'r with 3x2 intake!]. Any use at all?
Marine? These used to be quite the rage I guess. More dwell w/o burning out the
points... ]]

First, I need a vertex magneto for 60 to 63 394.  I'm sure these are pretty
scarce by now.

Also, does anyone know of, or have info on, a complete rear end swap for 50
olds.  I cant find any of my old books on this and its been a long while since
doing this. The easiest if I  recall, would be an early Pontiac.
Mike M.
Wrencher43@aol.com
================
[[ Mike, try Dick Bybee in Mesa [Phoenix] AZ- 602-984-4442... he is a collector
of pre-'64 speed stuffs. Tell him I sent ya. He's allright.]]
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:33:58 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 71/72 Quarters?

Am I
wrong or did 72 have the square style quarter and 71 were rounded. I've
noticed this alot and also in some car amgazines. All the pictures had
the correct year bumpers. I have a 71 442 and they are rounded.
- ------------------------------------------
------------------------------------
- -----------------------------------------

The 70-72 quarters were the same for both the Cutlass S / 442 . They had
different quarters for the Supreme and connverts but again they are the same
for the 70-72. Convert quarters were slightly different then Supremes in that
the
deck lid was rounded at the top corners bu the rear glass and the top sides
between the
deck lid and edge were different. However a good body man can graft Conv.
quarteres on a Supreme (Been there/. had it done)

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:39:04 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Wtd: 4spoke Rallye St. Wheel

At 07:28 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
Joel

        We ahve the sport steering wheels in stock. They are $135.00
(complete) plus shipping.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869


>>      Dear Sir
>>
>>         I am looking for a 4 spoke rally steering wheel, like those found=20
>>      on 442's, for my 72 cutlass
>>
>>      joel
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:52:58 EST
From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pics

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Am I
wrong or did 72 have the square style quarter and 71 were rounded. I've
noticed this alot and also in some car amgazines. All the pictures had
the correct year bumpers. I have a 71 442 and they are rounded.
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The 70-72 quarters were the same for both the Cutlass S / 442 . They had
different quarters for the Supreme and connverts but again they are the same
for the 70-72. Convert quarters were slightly different then Supremes in that
the
deck lid was rounded at the top corners bu the rear glass and the top sides
between the
deck lid and edge were different. However a good body man can graft Conv.
quarteres on a Supreme (Been there/. had it done)

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442


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At 06:30 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote:

        From 70-72 the Cutlass with the squared off quarters was the Cutlass
Supreme (this includes the convertibles. 442 convertibles were based on the
Cutlass Supreme convertible). All others had the rounded quarters. These
were the Cutlass, Cutlass "S", 442, and F-85. Hope this clears your question.

Jim Chermack

>I have a question. I thought that in 71, 442/Cutlass had the same
>style quarter panels as the 70. Rounded with the "hump" on it. I was
>looking at the Members registry on Brycemans page and I noticed alot of
>the cars  that were listed as 71 had squared off quarters like 72. Am I
>wrong or did 72 have the square style quarter and 71 were rounded. I've
>noticed this alot and also in some car amgazines. All the pictures had
>the correct year bumpers. I have a 71 442 and they are rounded.
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At 07:28 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
Joel

        We ahve the sport steering wheels in stock. They are $135.00
(complete) plus shipping.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869


>>      Dear Sir
>>
>>         I am looking for a 4 spoke rally steering wheel, like those found=20
>>      on 442's, for my 72 cutlass
>>
>>      joel
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:10:03 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time

In a message dated 98-01-27 23:14:26 EST, you write:

<<
 I have a tech. question for all of you:

 Has anyone ever pulled both their engine and tranny out at the same time??
 Specifically on a G-body Cutlass.  Charley B, how 'bout you?

 Would it be easier to do both at the same time?  Are there clearance
 problems I should be aware of?  Does the front end need to be off to do
 this?  Does the car need to be raised to tilt out the tranny?
 <snip>
 I'm not tackling this yet but want to be well prepared for when I do.
 Hopefully this will get done during the month of February, if everything
 works out.Thanks,
  Bill Reilly >>

I've pulled the motor and trans from my '81 Cutlass at the same time (I've
pulled, and installed them together several times actually.  I've found it
very easy to do.  Just make sure everything is free (of course), the fluids
are drained (trans also, else you make a very large mess, and even "bag" the
tailshaft for when you "tip" things as you go along).  You will also need to
remove the radiator, and pull the fan/pulley off the waterpump.

When installing, I'll normally get the trans to mate up, and tight on the
bellhousing mounts to the engine, then install the torque convertor bolts, but
tighted once in the car (better access).

Also, I've done all this both ways (car on stands, or not), and I've left the
hood in place (normal "up" position) at all times.  You just have to move
slowly, and make sure you clear everthing/have everything un-attached.  It may
also help to have a 2nd person around at least for a few minutes right as you
pull it (guidance, an extra hand, etc.).  Just remember, all that stuff is
heavy, so be careful.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:08:26 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

have him send it UPS COD then you can tell the UPS guy hey let me take a peek
if you dont mind before paying him. Have packing tape ready to rewrap it just
in case. At the very least you will have something for your money.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:14:23 -0500
From: Tom Millard <oldspwr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: THM 200 4R Question

Tom and others:
>What is the availability and cost of a used GN/442/SS 200 4R vs trying
>to beef up a plain jane Caddy/307/etc 200 4R?  A friend of mine had his
>85 Delta 200 4R rebuilt and a GN throttle body installed, it set him
>back around $600.  Is this common?  Will it work right?  Is the
>GN/442/SS 200 4R capable of handling more power than a standard 200 4R
>from a say, Cadillac HT4100?  I can get a number of 200 4R's from cars
>like that for $150 + $10 core.  Is it worth it?

Here's the deal:  You can use a plain Caddy tranny if you want, but if you
want it to perform like a built 350 or 400, you will have to upgrade it.
The two most important things that will affect how it performs are the
valve body and the governor.  A plain valve body uses the same casting as a
performance one (GN, 442 etc...) but the valves inside it have different
diameters.  Not just one or two valves, but a majority of them.  The plain
ones have a very mushy shift to them.  9 times out of 10 a shift kit will
not correct this.  Take a look on the Turbo Regal web page, there are pages
and pages of problems that guys had with shift kits.  The governor
determines the WOT shift points, and the plain ones are designed to shift
at 3000 RPM @ WOT.  The performace ones vary from 4500 to 5200 depending on
the model.

Sure, you can buy these parts are the dealer.  The valve body costs around
$600 and the governor costs about $60.  This is why I recommend locating a
performance one to begin with.  (Keep in mind that there are also a few
other parts that you need also.  These are detailed in my 200-4R post I
sent out a few days ago.)

BTW: The info I am passing on here is something I learned first hand.  I
had an 84 Olds Cutlass OG trans built for my 403 powered 79 Cutlass.  I
cannot begin to tell you how dissapointed I was when I first installed it.
It shifted terrible and really took away from the enjoyment of hammering
the car.  With out a word of lie, there was times when I had the tranny pan
off 5 or 6 times a night.  I would drop the pan, drop the valve body,
change something, reinstall everything, take it for a burn, and start all
over again.  It got to the point where I was just draining the fluid into a
clean pan and then dumping it right back in.  I spent almost (2) full
summers working out the bugs but it all paid off in the end.  Thats why I
am trying to help everybody out with these trans so they don't have the
same problems as me.  I really learned the hard way.

So keep sending in the questions, and make sure you read the long post I
sent on the 200-4R's a few days past....

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Cruiser
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb (soon to be for sale...)
84 Silverado 4WD (soon to be Olds powered...)

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