
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 5 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1087



Re: I'm looking for these
Dave Smith Engineering
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
Re: A mountain of olds heads
Re: Door Panels
Date:	Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:58:26 -0500
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
Steering Wheel Resto Question
Webring
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
HEI wiring
455 won't stay running
Re: Conv. Top Cylinder
Re: "G" HEADS
Re: 67 "C" Heads  Calf emmission
Re: Put your car on the 'Net!
Re: Tricarb 442 for sale
Re: Big Block "C" Heads
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
70 grille
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
Unofficial Centennial Video
Re: Dave Smith Engineering
Re: new gas tank; priming carb
Re: turbo on 455
Re: "G" HEADS
Re: shocks
Re: 5 or6 speed richmand
64 For Sale Update
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
Re: shocks
Re: Steering Wheel Resto Question
Doug's Video
An options question
Re: 455 won't stay running
UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass Grill
ADMIN: Mail Woes
Re: HEI wiring
Re: NEED WINDSHIELD ('76 98)
RE: shocks
Re: Coolant leak
Re: An options question
66-67 400/425 BB
Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman
Re: Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman
Re: A mountain of olds heads
Re: 455 won't stay running
455 won't keep running; is shakeing
Re: An options question
Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
Re: An options question
Some things to try (Re: 455 won't stay running)
No start
Re: An options question
Re: 455 won't stay running
Re: 67 "C" Heads  Calf emmission
Re: ADMIN: Mail Woes
Re: shocks
idle problems-72 cutlass
Service book???
Wires ?
78 Delta 88 heater fan quits
Re: 68 442 rag Stripe info
Doug's Centennial Video
Re: Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman
Re: NEED WINDSHIELD ('76 98)
Re: 455 won't stay running

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:34:20 -0500
From: Dan Boone <boone.dan@acd.net>
Subject: Re: I'm looking for these

I am having a hard time getting back in touch with you, every time I e-mail you
it comes back nondeliverable, I hope it works this time. I have no idea of the
cost of those thermometers, I didn't sell the ones I have I gave them to the
guy. I did some looking around for another one and found a complete set which
includes the gasket, the mounting bracket, the thermometer, and the right rivets
for it. It is brand new but has some scratches on it from setting around all
these years, it still looks great. It is a friend of mine who gave it to me for
you and said I could have it, but I think he should get something out of it. How
does $10.00 plus shipping sound. If that is ok and you get this message let me
know. I t is hear and ready to ship. Send me your address and it will be on its
way.
See ya
Dan

RC Hellebuyck wrote:

> Looking for:
>
> One of those 8-track adapters that allows you to play a cassette.  Made by
> Kraco and a few others in the early 80s.
>
> A Olds door mounted, outside thermometer in EC or I'll settle for one that's
> NOS.   Was available only in 1971 so I'm told.  If you don't know what I'm
> talking about, I'll be adding a picture of one on my web site soon.
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
> 1995 Achieva S
>
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:34:00 -0600
From: "Paul L. Brillhart" <PBRILL1@uic.edu>
Subject: Dave Smith Engineering

Just got off the phone with Karen Smith.  Very nice lady.   Dave Smith
Engineering has the best prices of the Olds Specialty shops I know of.
I ordered a new pilot bearing, carb adaptor(I don't like the Edelbrock
flange plate), clutch and flywheel bolts(I've got a new Dual-disc
waiting in my trunk), and intake gaskets.  She and Dave prefer not to
use the traditional turkey trays regardless of cast iron or aluminum.
They'll sell you whichever you want, but prefer not to use the turkey
tray.  I'll be removing my Torker and putting on  the 455 cast dual
plane that was there before.  I don't have enough cam or gears to take
advantage of the single plane.  Maybe in the future.  I like working on
the Olds in the winter, but can't wait for May.  Later.



Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:40:20 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

Hot damn, Mark may not have been , but I have been searching for 
almost a year and a half now, thanks for the info.

> Date:          Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:35:13 -0500
> To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> From:          "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
> Subject:       '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Hey, for everyone that was looking for the elusive '76/'77
> fiberglass hood, VFN Fiberglass in Addison, IL sells both a stock
> type and a "442 ram-air" type hood.  They're sending me some info so
> I can see if it's a W-25 setup, hinged setup is $345.
> 
> Reach them at (630) 543-0232.
> 
> Is this the place you were thinking of, Mark Prince?
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:03:25 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: A mountain of olds heads

It's in Cleveland, Ohio.  I'll give directions/address once I go thru em
all and get what I need.  I'll also get a tally of exactly what heads
are there.  Chances are that all types will be there and in NOS
condition, unstamped.  The motors were sent directly from the big three
to Lubrizol.  Lubrizol runs the motors with various lubrications then
disassembles and inspects the wearing then tosses em in a pile.  When
the pile got too big they would sell it to whoever had a connection.

The Viking wrote:

> Just where is this mother lode located?
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>

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Date: 4 Feb 1998 18:58:14 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Re: Door Panels

Brian Kerr wrote:
OL>The door panels on my 69 conv are basically sound and not torn, but they got
OL>wet at some point and are badly warped and quite dirty with some yellowing.
OL>Does anyone have any one have experience with cleaning, rewetting and
OL>clamping to straighten these panels? I was thinking that after they were
OL>straight, or during straightening that I could soak a thinned out glue like
OL>material into the back of the fibre material that would harden, keep them
OL>straight, and possibly provide some moisture resistance. Any ideas?

I have replaced the board on these types of door panels.  It takes
patience, glue,  replacement waterproof interior board, carpet, some
vinyl to bind the carpet with and an industrial sewing machine.  Any
good trim shop can do this work.  If you do not have experience with
upholstery work I would not recomend this for do it yourself types.
The factory did not use a waterproof cardboard.  At least not like they
make now.  The new waterproof board is superior to factory stuff and is
much better than trying to use
thin plywood.  If you want more details e-mail me directly or call me on
the phone.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
Wyatt@jobax.net
765-665-3078

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:58:26 -0500
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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:22:57 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

> Hey, for everyone that was looking for the elusive '76/'77 fiberglass hood,
> VFN Fiberglass in Addison, IL sells both a stock type and a "442 ram-air"
> type hood.

Congrats, Mike!  Good detective work.....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:54:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Steering Wheel Resto Question

The other day I looked at a tilt-tele column for the Delta a guy wants to 
sell me. It was apparently stored in an unheated shed for some time and 
has a couple of problems. The metal parts are scratched up but I figure 
we could paint them no problem. But 2 things make me wonder if it's worth 
persuing:

1. The vinyl horn pad is badly discolored. Looks almost moldy. Anyone 
ever brought one of these back to life?

2. The center bar has a metal trim "cap" on it that originally has a 
woodgrain decal. The woodgrain is badly worn away. Any suggestions on how 
to restore something like that? Is this decal stuff available generically 
(it's a lot thinner looking than Mac-Tac woodgrain)? I think it's similar 
to the same stuff used on the upper section of door panels on 98s, Park 
Avenues, etc., and every one of those I've ever seen has been worn also.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:48:53 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Webring

Hey, everyone.  Again, I'm letting word out about the Oldsmobile webring.  We've got 36 members
now.  The Chevy ring has 39 and the Turbo Regal has 44.  We're close to both of them!  Anyone who's
got an Olds site out there, please sign up!  Of course, it's free and if we get enough, we can at
least blow those Chevy folks outta the web!  The URL to join is

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/oldsring.html

Thanks everyone!

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|	__    ________						|
|	\ \  / __  __/	Jason Adcock				|
|	 \ \/ / / /	CS Major, Virginia Tech			|
|	  \  / / /	mailto:jadcock@vt.edu			|
|	   \/ /_/	http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/		|
|								|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 18:09:18 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

Hey, for everyone that was looking for the elusive '76/'77 fiberglass hood, 
VFN Fiberglass in Addison, IL sells both a stock type and a "442 ram-air" 
type hood.
     
     This is the same VFN from which I purchased my 'glass tilt front end 
     for a 71 Cutlass a number of years ago.  As I've noted here in the 
     past, the front end was "race car" quality, meaning it needed 
     considerable fiberglass work to be acceptable on a street/show car.  
     Worse, the advertised "71-12" front end had a 70 W-25 hood molded in!  
     Needless to say, considerable work was required on the leading edge of 
     the hood to turn it into a 71.  Unfortunately, the alternative to 
     using their front end was not using it, as they are the only ones I 
     know of making this part.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:21:19 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: HEI wiring

i have a 73 cutlass and i put a 79 403 in it.  the engine has an HEI.  the car
origionally came with points.  what i wanted to know is if i can run a 12 volt
wire directly to the HEI.  with points, it only gets 12 volts during startup.
then it gets about 5.  i can do all the wiring if i need to.  i was just
straightening out the mess along the firewall, when i remembered that the HEI
was a 12 volt system.  so what should i do?

mikey tvb@aol.com
cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:16:43 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: 455 won't stay running

i recently tried starting a the 455 in a friend of mine's 442.  it doesn't
like to start and run on it's own.  the motor has been sitting for about 9
years.  we painted it and put it in the car and hooked everything up.  it will
putter and run at higher rpm's, but it won't idle or run for a very long time.
i have checked everything and the only thing i can think of is that the timing
is off.  i have tried to set the distributer several times and the same thing
happens.  could this be a set of bad points?  a set of lifters?  or just needs
the carb tuned?  should i try putting a HEI in it?  i can make it run, but the
stupid thing won't idle.  when it tries to idle, it shakes around alot and
keeps stalling.  any suggestions would be greatly appriciated.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:38:42 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Conv. Top Cylinder

I look for your number in my GM 1964-76 Oldsmobile Parts Catalogue and
there is no reference of this part number.
Sorry I couldn't tell you what it is but I did tell you what it isn't

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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> From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Conv. Top Cylinder
> Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 7:34 AM
> 
> 
> I have a NOS GM replacement Convertible top cylinder in the box (box
ratty). 
> The part number is #4512194, Lift Assy.  Anybody know what applications
this
> will fit and does anybody want to make an offer for it?
> 
> Hans
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:45:26 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: "G" HEADS

> ALSO IS THERE ANY NUMBERS ON THE BLOCK THAT WOULD SAY WHAT IT CAME OUT 
> OF. I FIQURE IT IS OUT OF A 73 OF EARLIER BECAUSE IT HAS HARDENED SEATS.
> 
> IF ANYONE KNOWS PLEASE LET ME KNOW
> JOHN  
> 


Hey John - First your caps button seems to be stuck.  As for a year
identification of the block the only thing I could recommend is for you to
check at the rear of the block behind flexplate in the right upper area for
an "F" code such as F0 - F1 - F2 - F3 - F4.............ect.  If the block
is an early one the F code will be fairly  low such as the one I have used
as examples if it is nearer to a 76 block or so, it will be an F10 code.

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:46:30 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67 "C" Heads  Calf emmission

Fill the holes with pipe fittings. Works great. 
Been there, done that, no problemos.

Peter
CoupeKing

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:54:21 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Put your car on the 'Net!

In a message dated 98-02-03 13:23:49 EST, you write:

<< I
 just wanted to let everyone know that I have a "Readers' Rides" section
 on my page too if anyone's interested.  >>

Trevor,

have a meeting scheduled Friday PM of our local club of which one member
(our computer guru) indicated he might cring his scanner to do pics of those
that bring them. If this works out then I'll have a good selection scanned on
a 
disk that you can let me know how to download to ya for your pick to include
in your readers rides.

Know more Sat. AM 
Let ya know....

Rgds,
Rob Thomas

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:17:29 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tricarb 442 for sale

In a message dated 98-02-04 00:12:28 EST, you write:

<< for a small block?  Now my hopes are all up just so they can be kicked in
 the head and knocked back to the ground >>
Sorry about the kick but it only fits the Big Boys

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:24:31 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big Block "C" Heads

In a message dated 98-02-04 15:01:16 EST, you write:

<< 	I don't know offhand, but the info would be in the Olds FAQ on
 www.442.com.
 I am located in Philadelphia.  Thanks for your interest.
 									Gerald Hughes >>
Those heads come with 2 different size intake valves. Best thing to do is
measure with a pair of calipers. Phily is not that far from me im in NY

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:29:56 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

Hey, Mike,

These guys are almost in your backyard, too...I probably won't get one
until the summer, but let me know if you get a look at one of these.  I
want the W-25 look....they weren't terribly specific on the phone today.

At 04:40 PM 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hot damn, Mark may not have been , but I have been searching for 
>almost a year and a half now, thanks for the info.
>
>
>> Hey, for everyone that was looking for the elusive '76/'77
>> fiberglass hood, VFN Fiberglass in Addison, IL sells both a stock
>> type and a "442 ram-air" type hood.  They're sending me some info so
>> I can see if it's a W-25 setup, hinged setup is $345.
>> 
>> Reach them at (630) 543-0232.
>> 
>> Is this the place you were thinking of, Mark Prince?
>> 
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:40:50 EST
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: 70 grille

Looking for a drivers side grille for a 1970 Cutlass Supreme in good shape. E-
Mail me directly with price and condition.
Thanks for the help,
Boise, ID

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:41:49 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

Michael,

Do you know if VFN makes 71/72 W25 hoods? I'm working my way towards an SCCA
Solo II 'C' Prepared autocrosser, and have been looking into the options. I
want it to be functional, yet I don't need the steel frame that makes the
originals so heavy.

Any info would be appreciated.

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
Soon to be the home of NASCAR's next superspeedway!

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:49:36 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Unofficial Centennial Video

Wow!
I just received the Lansing video that Doug Newman put together. It's
fantastic!! The music selection is great, and the scenes are edited to
fit the music. There's also some old (50's, 60's??) B&W Olds
commercials popped in here and there.
The cars just keep coming and coming. Great job Doug! I can't imagine
the hours you put into this. For those who haven't ordered it, you're
really missing something, especially if you were at Lansing. The only
complaint I have...where were the 69 Cutlli??

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:59:00 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dave Smith Engineering

Paul,

I've known Dave and Karen since the early 80's, and have to admit that DSE is
the ONLY place I go for Olds performance parts. If Dave can't get it or make
it, you probably don't need it. Their catalog used to have a picture of my 77
442 stock car in it, and Dave was the one responsible for our finishing 7th
overall for the season with just racing half of the year. This year we'll be
ordering a lot more DSE parts for the 71 Cutlass 'S' stock car.

Want to see the wildest Olds you can imagine? Ask about Dave's 50's era Pro
Sportsman project car - unbelieveable!

Another satisfied customer,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:04:13 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: new gas tank; priming carb

>Heck, if you didn't want to pour it down the vent, you could probably mist
>enough fuel in with a spray bottle to start the engine and keep it running.
Just
>another option.

VERY Bad idea..... It's too easy to lean out or flood the engine with a
spray bottle.  That causes a backfire though the carb, which in turn blows
the gas back onto the bottle while igniting it, leaving you holding a
ticking molotov cocktail.  Since it's very hot you'll try to sling it as far
as you can but with no time to aim you'll end up hitting the clothesline
pole, causing it to bounce back towards you and land 12 feet away.  At which
point you'll toss a big rag on it in the hopes of it smothering some while
you run like hell.  If you're lucky you'll run across the hose and you can
douse the flames from a relatively safe distance of 50 feet as you check for
burns and make sure you still have your eyebrows.

DON'T KEEP A CAR RUNNING BY MISTING GAS INTO THE CARB!!!  Believe me, I know. :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais


  
>-- 
>David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
>          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
>http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
>  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm
>Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
>http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:26:43 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: turbo on 455

Ray writes:
> Didn't I read about someone with a twin-turbo/supercharged/nitrous 455?
> Was it in an old Car Craft too?

http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/

Unfortunately, it's not mine. :-)

Rich

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rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:23:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: "G" HEADS

>IT SEEMS THAT WHILE EVERYONE IT TALKING ABOUT HEADS, I WAS WONDERING IF 
>ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT "G" HEADS. I PICKED UP A 455 FROM A FRIEND 
>OF A FRIEND THAT GOT IT FROM A FRIND AND SO ON. SO NEED LESS TO SAY I 
>HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT CAME OUT OF. I'M STUFFING IT INTO A 59'CHEVY 
>PICK-UP AND I'M TRYING TO FING OUT TO CC RATING. 
>
>ALSO IS THERE ANY NUMBERS ON THE BLOCK THAT WOULD SAY WHAT IT CAME OUT 
>OF. I FIQURE IT IS OUT OF A 73 OF EARLIER BECAUSE IT HAS HARDENED SEATS.

"G" heads are from a '71 motor; see if the VIN derivative on the machined
pad on the side of the block just below the #1 cylinder spark-plug is from a
'71 Olds (should read "31Mxxxxxx", where 3=Olds, 1=last digit of the year of
manufacture, M=Production plant (might be a diff. letter), and
xxxxxx=production serial number of the car it was installed in.

If it was a '71, there's no guarantee of hardened seats from the factory;
those came with '72 and later motors. Good motor anyway, and looks like it's
going to a good home!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: shocks

>Can anyone out there recommend a good shock to use for a 1970 Cutlass with a
>455? Also, who ia a good supplier of springs? Have any of you done front
>suspension work? Is it hard, and would I be better off having a proffesional
>do it?

I've done some front ends, besides the usual shocks and sway-bars, and it's
not that hard, just time consuming. The trickiest part is using that
internal spring compressor. You can rent it, if you're going to do it all in
one day, but you may be better off purchasing it for yourself, if you're
going to be doing a lot of front-end work. The only thing I'll farm out is
pressing the bushings. Use new bolts, and the Kanter or PST kits are cheaper
if you're going to end up replacing all the parts. Also check for cracks in
your A-arms. Give youself lots of time; if you don't have it to spare, then
you may want to farm it out.

As for parts, the stock-spec springs for a '70 442 w/AC would be a good
starting point (and these spec springs should be something your local parts
store can get), but an ideal setup would be a matched suspension setup from
a place like Rancho or Guildstrand. 

Good luck!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:34:00 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 5 or6 speed richmand

At 12:14 PM 2/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
Butch

        Yes we have done this conversion. It's very easy. You will have to
replace your clutch plate with a 26 spline unit move the cross member back
and drill 4 new holes (no big deal) and change the yoke on the driveshaft
and have it shortened about 1 inch. Make sure you us the shifter that
Richmond gear recommeneds (can't remember brand) It has more adjustment than
the Hurst unit available. It should work with the factory console.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869 

>has anyone ever installed a 5 or 6 speed richmond trans in a 68 olds
>442  455engine . need to know if will fit and hold up to engine
>torque      thank you
>
>butch      bob442@svic.com
>
>

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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:36:55 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: 64 For Sale Update

From John Poynter my e mail address is jpoynter@valunet.com
> I have a 64 olds cutlass with 65th miles I'am the second owner. It is a
> 2 door sea mist green with white bucket seats,auto.4bl carb 330
V8.Asking3700
> or 58 Chevy 2 door trade or ? thanks John


Here is the individual to contact regarding this. 

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 02:29:03 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

In a message dated 98-02-04 17:32:17 EST, you write:

<< Hey, for everyone that was looking for the elusive '76/'77 fiberglass hood,
 VFN Fiberglass in Addison, IL sells both a stock type and a "442 ram-air"
 type hood.  They're sending me some info so I can see if it's a W-25 setup,
 hinged setup is $345.
 
 Reach them at (630) 543-0232.
 
 Is this the place you were thinking of, Mark Prince?
 
  >>
Yes it is Michael. I heard that they went out of business. I guess not, well I
will be calling them myself tomorrow.  Thanks Michael and the entire list

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
 
http://members.aol.com/wmachines/index.html

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 06:32:50 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: shocks

I did all the suspension work myself.  It's not a great feat of human
know-how.  The most important tool you'll need is a spring compressor. 
You have to use the inner type compressor to install the front springs
between the A-arms. If you don't want to purchase the spring compressor
for $50-$75 I suggest going to your local Rent-all and renting one for
much cheaper; besides how oftem will you be using it?  I purchased the
springs from a local spring/suspension shop.  They had the replacements
I needed.  However, the springs were about 1 1/2 inches shorter than the
originals.  To make up for the shorter heigth the springs are
manufactured with thicker coils so the vehicle ride heigth is not
affected and with no negative affect to the cars ride feel.  I don't
know how extensive the work is that you will be doing but at the very
least if you replace the outer tie rods you will have to take your car
in to get a front-end alignment. I replaced every suspension
componenet.  In doing so it was much easier to paint all the parts I
wanted to paint prior to installation, i.e. I didn't have to sand blast
or wire brush anything; just cleaned them well with degreaser or
thinner.  Now my entire suspension looks and feels new.

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible w/ 4 speed Hurst

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Can anyone out there recommend a good shock to use for a 1970 Cutlass
> with a 455? Also, who ia a good supplier of springs? Have any of you
> done front suspension work? Is it hard, and would I be better off
> having a proffesional do it? Jim W31

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:34:38 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel Resto Question

Hello,

You are going to be one for two on this thing.


>
>The other day I looked at a tilt-tele column for the Delta a guy wants to
>sell me.
>
>1. The vinyl horn pad is badly discolored. Looks almost moldy. Anyone
>ever brought one of these back to life?

A good cleaning followed by binyl dye will fix this ok.
>
>2. The center bar has a metal trim "cap" on it that originally has a
>woodgrain decal. The woodgrain is badly worn away. Any suggestions on how
>to restore something like that? Is this decal stuff available generically
>(it's a lot thinner looking than Mac-Tac woodgrain)? I think it's similar
>to the same stuff used on the upper section of door panels on 98s, Park
>Avenues, etc., and every one of those I've ever seen has been worn also.

You will not find the materials for this easily at all.  There are various
grains and colors used in several cars.  Finding a good used or NOS is
probably your best bet.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:25:26 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Doug's Video

Got the Olds video Doug made in the mail yesterday. Have to say he did a
great job putting it together. Good selection of songs and a good job of
editing. Well worth the money.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:57:31 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: An options question

Hi all,

I have a strange question to ask.  Here is a little history:  I know 
someone who had a 1968 442.  She has owned it all of the cars life.
She said it was special ordered from the factory with a 455.  Was this
possible?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:31:26 EST
From: DanD396@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 won't stay running

replace points'set dwell,replace condencer & coil check gas fresh only also
change oil

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:31:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass Grill

No longer on the list so if anyone can help reply to him directly...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: 70 grille

Looking for a drivers side grille for a 1970 Cutlass Supreme in good
shape. E- Mail me directly with price and condition. 

Thanks,
Boise, ID

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:33:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Mail Woes

For reasons I cannot explain, Chebucto has been having terrible 
problems the last week or two with mail. There seems to be a 
consistent pattern of mail going down for the better part of a day, 
then the cork gets popped and there is a flood of messages. I have 
complained with no result, so all I can suggest is that you bear with 
me and hopefully they will fix the problem.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:03:00 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: HEI wiring

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 1:25 AM
Subject: HEI wiring


>i have a 73 cutlass and i put a 79 403 in it.  the engine has an HEI.
the car
>origionally came with points.  what i wanted to know is if i can run
a 12 volt
>wire directly to the HEI.  with points, it only gets 12 volts during
startup.
>then it gets about 5.  i can do all the wiring if i need to.  i was
just
>straightening out the mess along the firewall, when i remembered that
the HEI
>was a 12 volt system.  so what should i do?


Mike, I just finished an HEI conversion and with help from the list,
it's working great. I followed the old resistance wire back to the
fuse panel where it plugs in on the front. Mine was clearly marked
"IGN". I just replaced the resistance wire with a 12 ga. wire and it
gave me 12v in both the start and run positions. You can check the
fuse panel with a test light if you don't have a spot clearly marked.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:02:42 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED WINDSHIELD ('76 98)

At 02:14 PM 2/4/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>Anyone got a windshield available for a '76 98 4-dr hardtop?  The
>new ones are so incredibly expensive.  I'm in Central IL if anyone's
>got one.  Thanks-

How expensive is incredibly expensive.  I was able to purchase and have
installed for about $250 from the local auto glass installer a brand new
windshield for my '75 Delta 88.  I didn't think that price was horribly
outrageous for brand new glass (no pits, scratches, etc.).  What kind of
prices are you getting?



*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:38:22 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: shocks

Jim,

	Gabriel and Monroe both make shocks for your application.  They
produce both the stock variety as well as premium gas shocks.  And if
you're like I am and on a tight budget, the street prices for these
won't break you.  TRW and PST make both the front and rear coils.  TRW
makes both the standard stock and heavy-duty variety, while PST can set
you up from stock to full-out race.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


> ----------
> From: 	DROLDS350@aol.com[SMTP:DROLDS350@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, 1998 February, 04 17:08 14:21
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: 	DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: 	shocks
> 
> Can anyone out there recommend a good shock to use for a 1970 Cutlass
> with a 455? Also, who ia a good supplier of springs? Have any of you
> done front suspension work? Is it hard, and would I be better off
> having a proffesional do it? Jim W31
> <http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/w31pictures.html>  
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:16:55 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Coolant leak

>Oops the car is an '86 Custom Cruiser.  As an aside, anyone
>know what the knob on my passenger seat is?  Both seats have
>3 controls on the side ( angle, forward / backward, up / down)
>but the passenger seat has a knob that it looks like a handle
>goes on.  Maybe it's a handle to swing the seat out?

I don't think so. Sounds like a reclining seat back. What's
left on it -- are you saying something broke off it? If there's
a splined metal shaft sticking out the side of the seat, try
clipping a small Vise-Grip onto it and lifting it (rotate
counterclockwise); see if it unlocks the seat back. If it's a
round plastic knob, look at it real close and see if it used
to have a lever molded on it, facing forward. They tend to get
broken off, especially when you're sitting on the end of the
seat, to work on a door panel, for instance. Depending on the
design, the knob either clips on like a window crank or screws
on with a self-tapper down the middle.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:36:03 -0600
From: "Dave Rench" <renchd@krause.com>
Subject: Re: An options question

Not by the books or GM policy (400 cubic inch maximum) unless it is a H/O. 
Dealer could have done it.  Of course there are plenty of examples of cars
that never should have built that I never say never.

- ----------
> From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: An options question
> Date: Thursday, February 05, 1998 6:57 AM
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a strange question to ask.  Here is a little history:  I know 
> someone who had a 1968 442.  She has owned it all of the cars life.
> She said it was special ordered from the factory with a 455.  Was this
> possible?
> 
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:51:51 -0500
From: "Robert T. Handren, Jr." <bobhandren@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 66-67 400/425 BB

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considered
the Best Block, if you will.  Mean sucker, no doubt.

Mike Rothe>>

Hey Mike, you wouldn't be talking about guys like me, would ya??

You bet they're good engines! Just in case anyone hasn't heard that =
opinion expressed from here.

;-)


Bob Handren

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:53:58 -0500
From: "Robert T. Handren, Jr." <bobhandren@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman

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Since I don't get to read the digest too often these days, could someone =
please send me the info on this?

Thanks!

Bob Handren

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:41:58 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman

At 05:11 PM 2/4/1998 EST, you wrote:
>I just got my Lansing video from Doug Newman and watched it last night. Very
>well done!! I recommend that all of you out there get a copy of it!!! Nice
job
>Doug!!
>
>Jim

I'll second this.  It's excellent.



Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:00:41 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: A mountain of olds heads

check out Mondello"s web  page . Good info on new Edelbrock Aluminum head for
olds big block  .              http://www.tcsn.net/mondello/
                  butch

Ulysses Melen wrote:

> ----------
> >
> >
> > I'm going on Friday to root thru em.  I'll be looking for "F" "D"
> > > and "H" heads... are there any other castings worth a good buck or is
> >
>
> I'm looking for H & G also.  Drop me a line if you gots!!  Good hunting..
>
> Ulysses Melen
> 71 Cutlass S
> 85 Indy 500 Calais
> 92 Achieva

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:10:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: 455 won't stay running

At 09:16 PM 2/4/98 EST, you wrote:
>i recently tried starting a the 455 in a friend of mine's 442.  it doesn't
>like to start and run on it's own.  the motor has been sitting for about 9
>years.  we painted it and put it in the car and hooked everything up.  it will


Had the same problem with mine just recently.  Added new coil, condenser,
and fuel pump which seemed to help (Distributer, wires, and plugs were
already new). However, we decided that since the car had been sitting a long
time, the valves, etc. were probably gummed up.  After the car ran a while,
the problem seemed to go away.

I'd certainly suggest a oil change (after the engine's warmed, if possible)
with some internal engine cleaner. It wouldn't hurt, that's for sure.

Could be bad gas.  If she's been sitting that long, I'd drain the tank and
put in fresh (high octane) gas.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
earthsci@usit.net

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:10:36 -0800
From: Michael <mbs2@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: 455 won't keep running; is shakeing

oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
These symptoms suggest a vacume leak from the top side of the motor
(from where the intake meets the heads, via the intake bolts, or where
the carb meets the intake).  Spraying carb cleaner on these parts of the
engine, if this results in smoother running, would support the vacume
leak view.
    They also suggest the possibility that a plug is misfiring or not
firing at all.  Disconnecting one wire at a time while its running and
seeing if a change takes place is a way to investigate this possibility.
Also, you may wish to take out each plug to see if any particular ones
are fouled; if so replace and then check again a few running hours later
to see if its re-fouled.  If so things may be a bit more complex.
    Points and ignition are also a possibility, as mentioned in another
post.  HEI can't hurt, if its convienient go ahead and put it in.
    Lifters I doubt; its my understanding that when bad they make a
clicking noise.  Just in case however you could pull off the valve
covers and see if in fact oil is shooting out of each pushrod about the
same.
    Good luck.  That's a great moter (espec if b4 '71, gotta love high
compression 455s!)

    Regards,
    Michael

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:14:36 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: An options question

Chris,

Absolutely anything is possible, but I doubt that a 455 was actually a
factory option in any form except the H/O.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama


>Hi all,
>
>I have a strange question to ask.  Here is a little history:  I know
>someone who had a 1968 442.  She has owned it all of the cars life.
>She said it was special ordered from the factory with a 455.  Was this
>possible?
>
>Chris Sparks
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:27:50 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: '76/'77 Fiberglass Hood

In a message dated 98-02-05 00:16:30 EST, you write:

<< yet I don't need the steel frame that makes the
 originals so heavy. >>

Ken,

I have an original 71-72 hood that I was going to have to put new steel frame
under as original was rusted out in front. I got as far as separating the
glass from the frame
and the air box from the underside and then ended up offing my 72 for a 69.
The glass does need some minor repair for cracks at outside corners of scoop
ends and a little in the nose itself. also minor damage to rear edge where
chome trim
goes across but would be hidden by trim pc if used.

I have offered this complete with (all parts) incl. orignal frame and even a
steel
72 442 non ram air hood to others for $500.00  

Would consider just the W25 complete as is for $400 + shpng. 
let me know if interested and maybe I can get some pics together so you
can see exactly what I'm offering.

Rgds,
R.Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:39:17 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: An options question

In a message dated 98-02-05 10:23:30 EST, you write:

<< Here is a little history:  I know 
 someone who had a 1968 442.  She has owned it all of the cars life.
 She said it was special ordered from the factory with a 455.  Was this
 possible? >>

Anythings possible if you know the right people. In 68 & 69 GM corporate still
had 400 cid limit max on all A body platforms. That is why only the 68-9 H/O
had  455's and you couldn't get from factory on 442 or Cutlass. 
If this is in fact an original deal ..... It's a factory experimental or proto
that got into
hands of this person or They had a very high inside source at GM Olds div.
that
was able to pull this off. I would have to guess that if she is original owner
and it has a 455 in it that it was dealer installed and not assembled at the
plant this way.

Its definately a 442 not a H/O ???

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:12:44 EST
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Some things to try (Re: 455 won't stay running)

In a message dated 98-02-05 00:09:55 EST, you write:

<< 
 i recently tried starting a the 455 in a friend of mine's 442.  it doesn't
 like to start and run on it's own.  the motor has been sitting for about 9
 years.  we painted it and put it in the car and hooked everything up.  it
will
 putter and run at higher rpm's, but it won't idle or run for a very long
time.
 i have checked everything and the only thing i can think of is that the
timing
 is off.  i have tried to set the distributer several times and the same thing
 happens.  could this be a set of bad points?  a set of lifters?  or just
needs
 the carb tuned?  should i try putting a HEI in it?  i can make it run, but
the
 stupid thing won't idle.  when it tries to idle, it shakes around alot and
 keeps stalling.  any suggestions would be greatly appriciated.
 
 mikey tvb@aol.com
 73 cutlass w/403 >>

I'd start in this manner.  First, make sure you have the plug wires where they
are supposed to go, and they are connected tightly.  I would then check the
hoses, etc. to make sure there are no vacuum leaks anywhere.  Next I would
check ignition timing.  I'd then suspect something with the carb (it needs to
be rebuilt, and there's crap inside it gumming up the works).  I'd try this
approach, and see it things improve afterwards.  To me it sounds like the carb
may be gunked up inside, but it'd be a good idea to check the other items
first.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:06:42 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: No start

     I've got some strange no start problems with my Ch%vy
Suburban...hey it's not an Olds but it does have HEI (non
computerized) and a non computer carb (Holley) so the info crosses
over! Sometimes it'll crank (always fast..starter and battery are
good) but won't fire......leave it for a while (1/2-1 hr) and then it
starts right up. It's done it 3-4 times so far.....once it did it on
the first start of the day! That time it started 5 mins later....
     I think the HEI module may be failing intermittently. Ideas?
Coil? Pickup? 
     In digest mode....be back Monday!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:09:36 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: An options question

> I have a strange question to ask.  Here is a little history:  I know
> someone who had a 1968 442.  She has owned it all of the cars life.
> She said it was special ordered from the factory with a 455.  Was this
> possible?

Possible, but not on the option list.  If the numbers match, and it IS a
455, then who knows.  They did some strange crap back in those days. 
Why, even in '76 they put 454's in 4 door police Novas, for the St.Louis
City Police.  But----is it Peruvian Silver with black stripes and H/O
emblems?  That was the only 455 "available" in the '68 442 that I'm
aware of.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:45:53 -0500
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 455 won't stay running

Sounds like a problem with the carburetor. After sitting for 9 years
the seals and gaskets might of dried out. Try getting a carburetor
rebuild kit.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:45:17 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 67 "C" Heads  Calf emmission

I have a set of heads off a 1967 442 (from calfornia) that has the
exhaust ports drilled for AIR emmission system.  I would like to trade
for a non drilled set.  Any takers?
                                        John
- ----------
If you don't mind the appearance of them, you could use eight square headed pipe
plugs. Heck there's probably some hex head plugs available that would be even
less noticable. Just an option.
- -- 
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  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:36:58 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Mail Woes

Greg,

Oh well - late news is better than no news at all................

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:46:56 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: shocks

Jim,

If you want some real good (and affordable) racing-style shocks, contact PRO
Shocks (WWW.PROSHOCKS.COM). They build the only shock that kept our 71 Cutlass
'S' in line on a track that makes you work hard on your suspension setup to
get around it well. They have shocks that fit in the stock location with no
modifications at all in racing or street rod types. I use their shocks in my
daily driver that we autocross as well, and love the way the car handles.

Best wishes in your search,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:37:26 -0800
From: Erik <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: idle problems-72 cutlass

Hi all,

Whenever I start up my '72 Cutlass S it runs real strong in park. 
Getting about 50 oil PSI and everything looks good.  As soon as I put it
into Drive, Oil PSI drops considerably and my idle goes way down.  Same
thing with Reverse, but if I drop it into Nuetral, idle returns to
normal.  Could this be a bad carb, needs tuned up, intake manifold,
what??  I have a holley 4'bbl 600 CFM dbl pumper and a Performer
Manifold.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks everyone,
Erik B.
'72 Cutlass S=web page coming soon!!

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 17:05:19 -0600
From: Paul@austintx.net (Paul Ledbetter)
Subject: Service book???

Ok, I am a lurker, and am just now starting on a friends '72 Cutlass and
need some assistance.  What is the best reference manual out there?  I have
restored many a car, and there is always "the best manual" manual for every
car.  I am just wondering what the list thinks is the best for reference
and for assistance on such a beast.

Thank you in advance!

Paul M. Ledbetter

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:14:48 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Wires ?

I'm in the process of putting in a original AM/FM stereo in my 69 442. 
I was wondering if anybody knew what color the power lead should be?  I
have a loose orange and a yellow wire.  I'm guessing that it should be
the yellow wire and the orange should go to a clock or tach.  BTW, I
took a big car stereo (69) and moved the heat sink to the back.  Fits
GREAT!  Thanks in advance!

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:26:13 -0500
From: "Rob Lewis" <fever@planeteer.com>
Subject: 78 Delta 88 heater fan quits

I was wondering if anybody experienced the same problem
Car has air-cond, fan works intermittently never on high.
Heat is on full all the time heat control does not work(seems to be
connected)
Also no buttons do anything when pushed.
Vac lines look okay. 
Mech controls look okay.
Please Help
Thank You 
Rob
fever@toronto.planeteer.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:41:06 -0500
From: "Rob Lewis" <fever@planeteer.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 rag Stripe info

Thank for the info on the stripes.
The stripe that is on the car now I think is in the wrong place.
It almost touches the back of the wheel well and goes back from there 
and the 442 emblem is in the center.
Painting soon like to get it right.
How far from the wheel well and door jam should be and how wide of a
stripe.
Thanks again.
Rob
fever@toronto.planeteer.com



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> From: COUPEKING@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 442 rag Stripe info
> Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 10:10 PM
> 
> Rob-
> You do know that if you want to put the 'bumble bee' stripe on your '68,
you
> have to move the 442 emblems on the fenders down and back, don't you?
> Otherwise the front part of the stripe gets cut off by the bottom of the
wheel
> arch. 
> Proceed with this knowledge and you won't have unpleasant, irreversible,
> surprises!
> Peter
> CoupeKing 

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:33:14 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Doug's Centennial Video

I got my video today from Doug....AWESOME!  And I was there, in fact
contributed footage, but there were many things I didn't get a chance to
see.  It's a GottaHave if you didn't make the Centennial and a ShouldHave
even if you did.  A steal at $20!

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 19:39:06 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Lansing Video from Doug Newman

Lansing Video Info:

Mail a $20 check to
Doug Newman
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS 39701

and give him your address and he'll send one out to you.  I got mine today, but can't watch it until
I get near a VCR at home this weekend, cuz us hicks ain't got nun uv dem video boxes down hear in da
Sowth (well, in college anyway).

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|	__    ________						|
|	\ \  / __  __/	Jason Adcock				|
|	 \ \/ / / /	CS Major, Virginia Tech			|
|	  \  / / /	mailto:jadcock@vt.edu			|
|	   \/ /_/	http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/		|
|								|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:42:53 -0600
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED WINDSHIELD ('76 98)

$367 installed... so I figure I could really come out ahead if I found a
$50 one in the junk or something.
Thanks-

 Jeremy

At 10:02 AM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 02:14 PM 2/4/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>>Anyone got a windshield available for a '76 98 4-dr hardtop?  The
>>new ones are so incredibly expensive.  I'm in Central IL if anyone's
>>got one.  Thanks-
>
>How expensive is incredibly expensive.  I was able to purchase and have
>installed for about $250 from the local auto glass installer a brand new
>windshield for my '75 Delta 88.  I didn't think that price was horribly
>outrageous for brand new glass (no pits, scratches, etc.).  What kind of
>prices are you getting?
>
>
>
>*********************************************
>Dan Gulino
>1975 Delta 88 Convertible
>gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
><http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html>http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.
edu/~gulino/rides.html
>*********************************************
>  

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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:27:14 EST
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 won't stay running

Try checking your vacuum advance on your distributer.  Unplug your vacuum
advance if your idle doesn't slow down it probably means the vacuum diaphram
is gone.  If you are not sure hook up a timing light and connect/disconnect
your vacuum advance the timng should change.  My car started running poorly
one day and replacing the vacuum really perked it up.  Also look for vacuum
leaks my car had about 5 of them.



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mikey tvb@aol.com WROTE:
73 cutlass w/403

i recently tried starting a the 455 in a friend of mine's 442.  it doesn't
like to start and run on it's own.  the motor has been sitting for about 9
years.  we painted it and put it in the car and hooked everything up.  it will
putter and run at higher rpm's, but it won't idle or run for a very long time.
i have checked everything and the only thing i can think of is that the timing
is off.  i have tried to set the distributer several times and the same thing
happens.  could this be a set of bad points?  a set of lifters?  or just needs
the carb tuned?  should i try putting a HEI in it?  i can make it run, but the
stupid thing won't idle.  when it tries to idle, it shakes around alot and
keeps stalling.  any suggestions would be greatly appriciated.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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