
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, December 22 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1023



Re: LA WOMN
70 Cutlass Dual Exhaust Conversion
Re: 1968-69 RAM AIR SET UP
Olds Centennial video(s) arrived!
Re: Brake booster removal
thanks for gasket help
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
test, don't read
Re: 70 Cutlass Dual Exhaust Conversion
EGR Blockoff Plate?
Re: [Re: Montana Land Speed Record?]
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
Re: 72 Cutlass
Re: 1968-69 RAM AIR SET UP
Re: Rear coil springs, '78 Delta
Tranny stuck in drive!!1
Title Search
Transmission problems
Re: Title Search
Re: [Re: Are Headers worth it??]
Help with 70 422 parts
UNBOUNCE: '70 442 H*lp
Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 442 H*lp
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
Re: 'nother parts car?
Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!1
Re: EGR Blockoff Plate?
Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!1
SX all better :)
Posi question...
69 442
Re: SX all better :)
Simple Pleasures
Re: Simple Pleasures
Re: Simple Pleasures
Re: Title Search
Olds Video review 
Re: Simple Pleasures
Vacumn diagrams
Re: Posi question...
Power Brake booster help
Re: Olds Video review 
Re: Posi question...
Re: Posi question...
Re: need keys!
Re: 69 442

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:23:21 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: LA WOMN

James Thingwold wrote:

> I'd like to simply finish one car!!!

Lisa, you aren't by yourself.  I've had one of my soon to be driver's in
the shop for two years waiting on parts, body man, etc.  Will probably
get this one next week FINALLY!  Next is my daughter's 92 Tbird she
bumped the front end on.  (This should be no more than a two day
project.)  Then, it's the 83 RX7 that's about half done.  Then my other
daughter's 91 BMW, and THEN MY 70 Supreme conv.  You can see the order
of importance huh?  Kids first, then dear ole dad!  They're worth it
though.  Later......

Don Sowers

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:01:35 +0000
From: tcjmiami@ix.netcom.com
Subject: 70 Cutlass Dual Exhaust Conversion

I have a 1970 Cutlass S Convertible. I want to convert from Single to 
Dual Exhaust. I already have the Dual cut out Bumper and the GM 
Chrome Trumpets. I want to know if anyone can answer the following 
questions:

1. What are my options for conversion kits.

2. Will the existing Manifolds work with a Conversion Kit.

3. What are the "normal" problems encountered with this conversion.

Thank you for you help with my project.
Tom Johnson
1970 Cutlass S Convertible

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:44:44 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 1968-69 RAM AIR SET UP

RPTW32 wrote:
> 
> Being a new listing on the Olds info line I was suprised to see how many
> guys are looking for info on ram air systems for 68-69's.

 -snip-- 

> If anyone looking for additional info on this type of system feel free to
> respond with inquiry.

Ok I am interested.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:16:12 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Olds Centennial video(s) arrived!

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Being in MI and close to Alpha Marketing, I'm assuming that I'm one of =
the first to receive the Olds videos.  So for anyone else that ordered =
these, there on the way to you!  And just in time for Christmas!


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:23:58 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Brake booster removal

>Yes you can remove the booster w/o losing fluid.......> 
>Rob Thomas


Thanks alot for the info!  Time to give it a try.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:27:25 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: thanks for gasket help

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Thanks to everyone that responded to my "cork or rubber" gasket =
question.  I'm going to go with majority and try the Fel-Pro brand.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:53:02 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

BIG JERMES wrote:
> 
> time out!!!  now, if you go by a cop doing 140mph, why stop???  :-)  man, id
> like to see a cop catch you!!

Well in California he just might.  I talked to an officer one day
and asked how fast his cruiser would go and he told me 160.  I asked
how was that possible and he said he had a corvette engine and a I
think a 6 speed.

Chris

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:44:56 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: test, don't read

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If you read this anyway, I had a problem with link below.  Hope it's =
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RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:35:52 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass Dual Exhaust Conversion

> 1. What are my options for conversion kits.

You can go get the entire dual exhaust piping/mufflers/clamps/hangars
for a stock dual exhaust with straight tailpipes (for the tips) from
NAPA or some other parts store.  It should bolt right up (See #3 also) 
If you want 2.5" pipe or larger, Flowmaster and others make header sets,
but the stock tips won't fit and it's designed for header applications.
> 
> 2. Will the existing Manifolds work with a Conversion Kit.
>
They should.  But if you snap off any bolts it will double your fun. 
Plus, you will need to block off the cross-over pipe inlet on the
passenger side manifold.  You could just buy some dual exhaust
manifolds, but these seem a little pricey.
 
> 3. What are the "normal" problems encountered with this conversion.
>
Driver's side exhaust pipe to manifold installation for one.  Things
could get tight in here, plus the bolt pattern isn't real condusive to
straight-on bolt tightening/loosening.  Passenger side is a breeze in
comparison.

Also, you may find that the aftermarket rear hangers aren't very well
adapted to Oldsmobile factory dual exhaust configurations (i.e. mounting
holes), but if you don't care about originality, then they should work
just fine.

Other than those above concerns, this is pretty straightforward swap. 
Good luck.
 
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:46:19 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: EGR Blockoff Plate?

I know that Edelbrock sells one with their Performer Plus manifold, but
do they sell them separate? Or, for that matter, does anybody else sell
one, or am I going to have to fabricate my own?
- -- 
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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:21:17 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Montana Land Speed Record?]

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Doesn't matter how long you think it will take them to slow down.  Only
matters how long it will take them to reach down and grab the mic for the
radio.  Damn those radio waves move fast. :)

By the way, anyone coming through MT might want to stick to about 85 MPH on
interstate and 75 MPH on two lane highways.  Road and vehicle conditions are
extra factors.  I do about 4000-6000 miles a month around this state and
have been stopped for doing 80 before.  Be warned.

Travis Adams
65 442 post

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From: terrywiles@usa.net <terrywiles@usa.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: Montana Land Speed Record?]


>I drove I-90 accross Montana last summer.   Unfortunately it was in my late
model Camaro though, the Cutlass is not much for top end with 3.55's.   I
kept the cruise at about 90, until we hit the mountains.   Did have a few
blasts to test out the speed limiter, yup, it works.   We figured that if
you were going say 135MPH, and a cop dicided to turn around and pull you
over.   It would take him approx. a minute and a half to slow, turn around,
and reach top speed again.   By that time you would be 3 1/3 mi. down the
road!!!   On the down side, what would happen if an elk walked into the
road?   HMMMM, not pretty.


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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:29:17 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

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If you think Montana Highway Patrol cars were made for the 1/4 you are sadly
mistaken.  They don't call those numerically low gears "highway gears" for
nothing.  Yes, they can do 140, and I can assure you that they will catch
you.

Travis Adams
65 442 post

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From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?


>time out!!!  now, if you go by a cop doing 140mph, why stop???  :-)  man,
id
>like to see a cop catch you!!
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:32:09 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

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 Here they have something affectionately known as "the goon squad".  It is
MT answer to the philosophy that once you pass the HP you have open roads
for the next 100 or so miles.  They are usually spaced about 2-10 miles
apart in packs of five.  Get the picture?  :)
Travis Adams
65 442 post

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From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?


>In a message dated 97-12-20 00:32:07 EST, you write:
>
><<
> What was the old saying - You can outrun his Mopar, but you can't outrun
> his Motorola...
>
> JR
> 72 Cutlass S
>  >>
>your right, but just how many cops are just convenently standing by ready
to
>join in???...... i say at 140mph...STAND ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Bernie
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:03:38 -0800
From: Boogah <Boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass

ted rollins wrote:
> 
> I would like to find out from some of the expert oldsmobile people on the
> list if a 72 cutlass, 350, 2bbl, auto trans, a/c, power steering,brakes,58k
> actual miles, 2dr hard top,no dents one spot about the size of a half dollar
> of rust on rt rear at wheel well, good looking car with vinyl top. The man
> wants $1,800 for it would I go wrong to buy it?
Ted,
The only thing I can advise is to make certain that you crawl under the
car and do a good examination of the undercarriage.  I previously owned
a 71 Cutlass that was really nice looking but had major problems
underneath.  The frame ended up rotting among other things.  
If the underneath is not too bad, you should buy and enjoy...

Joe 
72 Cutlass Supreme
62112 miles
Parma Ohio

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:30:06 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1968-69 RAM AIR SET UP

What do ya need info on.

The system I have on my 69 is half repo half homemade.
I have found a source for the scoops that are excellent repo's
for the 69. The 68 scoops were actually a little different in that the
mouth opening is not as high and the width is longer. For 69 they made
in air inlet opening a little shorter width but larger from top to bottom.
difference
is noticable to only those that really know their stuff.
 Are you looking for factory original or performance gain.?

Best of Class in the company that I ordered scoops from. They also carry the
brackets that mount to the inner fenderwell that hold the ducts from bouncing 
around. The scoops don't however come with any attachment hardware and I ended
up making my own hangers to mount scoops with.
Also have templet for locating hole in front of fenderwell for scoop
placement. 
 The ducts can be any 4" dia. matl you can find. I've seen a couple of
companies that were offering ducts that you can order in any length but sell
by the foot and were
pretty steep in $$. I found some off a  70' TORO that Olds used a single
snorkel
cleaner with this connected to an air inlet in the core support.  Fits
perfect.

 As far as air cleaner assembly - again I made my own from a stock 72 4 bbl
removed the factory single snorkel and replaced with two snorkels taken from
other junk yard pieces. You can usually get air cleaners from boneyards for a
song, expecially single snorkle one.

Olds also still carried the replacement ducts for these models that are made
of
a rubberized material. At least they did a year ago or so. I think they were
about
$28-30 a piece.

I now have a complete system that is very functional and looks original except
to the most avid Olds person. Lots of positive comments received and best of
all
it is functional as the engineers designed.

Let me know if I can assist anymore


Rob Thomas
69 442 

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:23:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Rear coil springs, '78 Delta

On 20 Dec 1997 mjones@gleep.com wrote:
> The rear of my '78 Delta is sagging kind of noticably, so I want to
> replace the original rear springs.  But I wish to replace them with a
> pair of rear springs from a '90 9C1, which would give the car a little
> bit of a rake.  Does anybody have any pictures of any '77-85 B-bodies
> that have a rake of 2 or so inches?  I want to know how this looks
> before I go out and purchase the springs (BTW, they are pn 482086, $46
> each from Dal Lambert Buick I believe)

Mine has a bit of a rake but it's because the front springs have sagged! 
And of course it's a 4-door. I have never seen one of these with the kind
of stance you describe but I can't imagine it would look too bad. Those
prices intrigue me though... I looked into front springs for mine and the
wholesale prices (in worthless Canadian $) from GM were in the $100-$120
range each. I could get a pair of aftermarket (TRW I'd guess) for $150
from my parts store friend, which list for about $220. Are front springs
*that* much more pricey, even accounting for the exchange rate? 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:32:19 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Tranny stuck in drive!!1

Hello All,

I need some fast help. For the last couple of weeks the olds just hasn't
felt right. In particular the shifter handle on the center console has been
very hard to push or to pull into gear. Anyway yestrday morning i was able
to with much effort put the car into drive and thats where it been since;
stuck in drive with the key stuck in the ignition. I just removed the center
console and exposed the whole shifter setup and notice that a metal rod that
goes through the floor into the transmission is badly bent. I did straighten
it some but it still doesn't move in or out. 

Could anyone tell me what's going on. Is something frozen in the
transmission or what? 
Need a response ASAP so i can get it fixed before the long holiday weekends.

TIA

Aaron

Aaron D Eoff
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1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:56:04 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Title Search

Olds List:

I am trying to do a title search on my car and the state that I live in only
goes back the last eight years. How do I go about finding out the other 20
years of my car? Is there a special company that can tell me who has owned my
car? If so, could I please have the address and phone number of the place.

Thanks,
Jim

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:13:24 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Transmission problems

Okay guys, here's one for you.  My '84 Cutlass (V6-THM-250) acts very
stange in cold weather.  When I first start it up in the morning, it will
go backwards fine, but has problems sometimes in drive.  I may start it up,
back up and pull out of my parking space, and then stop at the end of the
block.  When I step on the gas to go, the car will act like it's in
neutral.  To get it going again, I have to put it in reverse until it
catches then back to drive and everything is fine.  It may do this to me
twice when the weather is colder.  No problems the rest of the day.

Problem number 2 has to do with the speedometer, which is not working.  I
traced the cable (2 part) back to the transmission.  I can remove if from
the tranny and spin it and the speedo moves, so does that mean I need a new
gear inside the tranny?  If so, how do you get it out?  Is this a dealer
only part?  

Many thanks ...

Just a message from Doug
http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:14:26 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Title Search

I'm curious about that too, is it possible to look up old vehicles you once
owned to see where there are now?

Just a message from Doug
http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton


At 03:56 PM 12/21/97 EST, you wrote:
>Olds List:
>
>I am trying to do a title search on my car and the state that I live in only
>goes back the last eight years. How do I go about finding out the other 20
>years of my car? Is there a special company that can tell me who has owned my
>car? If so, could I please have the address and phone number of the place.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:39:15 EST
From: Knightvd <Knightvd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: Are Headers worth it??]

In a message dated 97-12-20 12:23:55 EST, you write:

<< I have been sonsidering a set of headers myself, but I have heard that you
have to raise the motor up to get them in.   Is this true?   If so, how far
does it need to be lifted, I have too many hours into detailing to disconect
all of my stainless hoses, and such.   I have also heard that a set of
manifolds off of a 455 will bolt on to a 350, and produce a noticeable
difference, anyone try this?
  >>

I have used Dynomax headers on my 71 88 and 71 Cutlass Convert.  These are
relatively cheap ( I would have used better ones if I had the cash. ) but they
go up from under the car without jacking the motor.  You also to be a
contortionist to get to a few of the bolts.  The oil filter mount has to come
off of the motor on the pass side.  The starter on the drive side.  You have
to make "custom" dimples in a few areas (As I remember it was the tube near
the steering shaft on the driver's side and one on the top most tube on the
passenger side) and rebend the  trans linkage on a column shift auto.  Can't
use these headers on a manual tranny as far as I know.   But the biggest
problem with these headers on the Cutlass is relocating the brake
proportioning valve to above the frame rail.  This is a real job, much easier
to do this with the motor out.


Vince Knight  knightvd@aol.com
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:43:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Burger <erb22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Help with 70 422 parts

I'm prepping my 70 442 for paint, and I noticed that the body piece
between the two sections of the grille needs to be replaced.  Does
anyone have one for sale?  I do not know it needs to come from a '70. 
I imagine it does have to come froma 442 though, so the 442 holes for
the 442 emblem will like up.  Also, does anyone have a spare '70 442
grille? I actually only need the passenger's side of it.

Thanks,

Ed




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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:07:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '70 442 H*lp

Can't use the "h*lp" word, Ed...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Edwin Burger <erb22@yahoo.com>
Subject: H*lp with 70 422 parts

I'm prepping my 70 442 for paint, and I noticed that the body piece
between the two sections of the grille needs to be replaced.  Does
anyone have one for sale?  I do not know it needs to come from a '70. 
I imagine it does have to come froma 442 though, so the 442 holes for
the 442 emblem will like up.  Also, does anyone have a spare '70 442
grille? I actually only need the passenger's side of it.

Thanks,

Ed




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:14:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Burger <erb22@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 442 H*lp

Why can't I use the word help?  Do I have to send my message again,
without the word help?


- ---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
> Can't use the "h*lp" word, Ed...
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
Canada
> 

_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:57:49 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

Dustin had to unsubsc**be for X-mas, so he'll miss this story, but it
was through him that I'd heard it.  A Malta highway patrol officer had
committed suicide, (I think that was what happened) for whatever
reason.  EVERY HP IN THE STATE attended the services.  All did a caravan
type thing from Havre to Malta.  Just so happened Dustin was heading the
other direction that day, in his Skylark, likely in the triple
digits-(-I seem to recall hearing that was the norm for him and the
Buick)  He tops this hill to see dozens of HP's heading towards him, all
with lights a-flashing.  He put the brakes to the test, and was
incredibly nervous as each one drove right by him!  (He later determined
they had funeral plans)  Talk about a scare!!!!  I think I'd have to go
straight to the hospital after that one!

I remember one night I'd gone to Billings for a stereo competition, and
knew exactly where I needed to go for my hotel.  I see a sign, such and
such exit under construction, turn here..."  My exit was for King ave.
or something like that.  NOT the one mentioned.  However, the sign said
nothing about ~all~ the exits being under construction also.  I ended up
turning around in an "authorized vehicle's only" spot, about ten miles
out of town.  I was rather heated by this point.  Had the blue neons
under the car going strong (didn't know that they were illegal yet) 
About halfway back, doing about 115, about midnight I see an HP in the
other lanes.  Since I ~knew~ he'd have to go at least five miles before
he could turn around, I kept into it.  Turned the neons off after he got
out of sight.  He'd hit his brakes a couple times, but didnt have
anywhere to go...  I just got to my exit (which ~wasn't~ blocked from
that direction -- sheesh!)  Turned off, and noticed a set of headlights
coming up on me ~hard~  Uh oh.  No proof, I'm safe.  It's dark, he
couldn't make me out...  All these thoughts running through my head,
until I got around the corner and got a better look.  Well, it really
~looked~ like a cop behind me...  Whew!  I suddenly got visions of an
extremely irritated HP in a donut shop in Laurel screaming about the one
that got away...  heh heh.


>  Here they have something affectionately known as "the goon squad".  
Also called the wolf pack.  Believe me, they're out there.


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 17:02:17 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 'nother parts car?

> I found it! 2/3 of a White front end... spoiler gone now, but has wheels. Ratty rusty smoked-in car,
> used for hauling stuff around it looks like.

NO, it's NOT mine!!!!  :)

>          >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<
OK ;)


H/O H/O H/O!  Merry Hurstmas!
   Happy Holiday S
       
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:07:10 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!1

Aaron D Eoff wrote:
> In particular the shifter handle on the center console has been
> very hard to push or to pull into gear. Anyway yestrday morning i was able
> to with much effort put the car into drive and thats where it been since;
> stuck in drive with the key stuck in the ignition.  

Sounds like the old, grounding-via-shifter-cable routine.  Sometimes,
the ground between the engine and body/frame deteriorates or is
non-existant.  One of the common things that happen is that the shifter
cable then becomes the ground.  Current will actually pass through the
cable, and while I'm no electrical engineer to completely understand and
explain this process, I do know it will foul up the cable to sheath
after a while.  I had that happen on my 71.  I found the  broken
grounding strap behind the passenger head, replaced it and the cable,
and it's been happy shifting ever since.

Now for the bad news:  new cable time!

2 cents
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:29:25 EST
From: Mikey tvb <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: EGR Blockoff Plate?

you might want to try PAW.  they seem to sell all the edelbrock parts.

mikey tvb@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:31:39 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!1

Aaron, I just thought of this right after I sent the last message. 
Actually, you may want to try this first to see if it's a cable thing,
or an internal linkage thing.  Disconnect the shifter cable down at the
tranny linkage end.  Then try and move the shifter and linkage
independently.  This will determine which one is at fault.

Good luck!
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:36:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: SX all better :)

Well, I chased away the last of the electrical gremlins on my SX, so after a
differential fluid change, she'll be on full active duty!

It turns out that the blower and horn were both done in by defective relays
and bad wiring. The relays were available locally ($14 each), and I
scavenged some good wiring and connectors from the harness I pulled from a
parts-car.

HINT: Whenever you have a chance to part out a car, make sure to get all the
little things like the wiring, relays and fasteners! The harness I pulled
the connector for my '70 SX from was actually out of a '76 Monte; GM used
the came connectors for a number of different things, so don't be afraid to
take advantage of "lesser" brands... ;)

I also decided to attack the dimmer switch problem on the headlight switch
(the dash lights were kind of flaky); rotating the knob back and forth as
per the list advice helped quite a bit, but I thought I'd spray in there to
really get it good.

Well, let me just say that removing a headlight switch requires a 4-foot
long, 1" diameter arm with three elbows; barring that, you have to remove
the lower A/C ducting *and* the fuel-guage to get in there to remove the switch.

HINT: Though screwdrivers will work on removing the headlight-switch nut,
they won't necessarily let you get it tight enough to fully engage the shaft
of the knob. There is a special tool with 4 prongs on it that is designed
specifically for that nut, but I was able to use my mini-grinder to cut some
notches on an old 3/8" socket that was lying around, so that it had those
same 4 prongs. Not pretty, but it makes the job a *lot* easier!

The rheostat that controls the dimming function on the interior lights is
right on the front of the headlight switch; lots of electrical cleaner, and
some dielectric grease made the switch like new. :)

While I had the fuel guage out, I decided to clean the lights inside, as
well as clean up and grease the contacts. Needless to say, when I
reinstalled it, only one light worked! Swapped a few bulbs, and discover
that the pins coming out the back to connect to the wiring harness connector
are loose in places, causing an intermittent brake-light failure. Ah, well,
onto the spares... (one spare guage I have has a dead beetle in the face
behind the glass; I have *no* idea how it got there, as there are no obvious
points of entry; strange...).

Getting the headlight switch back in took about an hour, and sliced up my
right hand pretty good. The trick was to line up the ring for the headlight
switch nameplate light; again, a second and third elbow would have been a
*real* plus!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:03:03 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Posi question...

I guess I can now be classified as REAL lazy...  But:

What is the trunk code for Posi Reared 87 Cutli?

Next Q is this:

With posi, does the rear hum at cruising speeds?
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:04:31 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: 69 442

Hi all,

As you've heard my 69 442 conv was rear-ended :(

The rear bumper is a sad sight, the frame is bent, the quarter panels bent,
trunk bent, the seams split in the trunk along the wheel wells, etc., but the
taillights appear fine.

Thank you everyone who responded to my father's post.

I'm taking it tomorrow to a place down the street that does frame-off
restorations.
It is my intention to have 'his' insurance company restore it to better than
it was before :), as I will settle for nothing less.  I imagine this will take
some time.

I have a non-related question, my Hurst dual-gate shifter is getting really
loose, worn in the shifter itself, so to put it in drive requires moving it
past drive, and the play leaves no room for putting it in 1st gear.  Does
Hurst make replacement parts, or guarantee their shifters for life?

I have another question, ever since the carb was rebuilt, the exhaust is
sooty, leaving residue on the bumper, and anyone who stands behind the car
when I start it :).  The car doesn't appear to burn oil.  Is that a sign of an
internal gas leak?  Do I need to replace the jets?  The body of the carb is
warped slightly, and if I need to replace it, is it best to stick with q-jets
or try something else?

I'm getting 10mpg in town, and 14mpg highway (70 mph). Is that good?

And a third question.  When I purchased the car it had an after-market 8 track
and they had cut out the radio space.  I put it a tape player and covered the
space with the face-plate.  I have seen custom radio face-plates for mustangs
and other cars to make new radios look original.  Do they do that for 442's?

I'm not going to tacke these problems now, just wondering.

Thanks,
Aaron

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:10:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: SX all better :)

Bob, you better be careful... you're starting to sound like me and my saga
of the lights on the '78 Delta!! :) Isn't dashboard work *fun*?!? It's
almost like they went out of their way to make sure that nothing would be
easily serviceable. It's like the caption on a cartoon I saw the other
day: a car designer and an engineer are looking under the hood of a new
model. The designer says to the engineer: "No, that's no good... I can
still see that #4 sparkplug... better make that shroud bigger and move
that exhaust manifold closer..." 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:19:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Simple Pleasures

Funny how little things can make you happy... some will recall my ongoing 
battle with finding burned out or missing bulbs on the Delta. Seemed like 
just about every bulb was shot in the thing. I finally got all of the 
inside lights working a while ago, and last night I was walking around 
the back of the car while the lights were on and noticed that while the 
taillights worked, it seemed there were other lights that might be at 
the very edges of the lenses that weren't there. 

Today I discovered that there were two bulbs on either side that were
burned out, all 4 of them totally black inside. Two are considered
taillights, the others side markers though they share the taillight
lenses.  This is in addition to the 4 other tail/brake lights that already
were working. With bulbs in there now the rear end looks like a Christmas
tree at night! 

Funny how replacing a bulb, tightening a screw or fixing a rattle can be 
so satisfying!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:48:06 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Pleasures

Yes,

Simple.

As we drove back from Florida,
I polished the lighter with my shirt,
Beautiful shiny chrome :)

Aaron

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:25:45 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Simple Pleasures

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, December 21, 1997 9:25 PM
Subject: Simple Pleasures


>
>Funny how little things can make you happy... some will recall my
ongoing
>battle with finding burned out or missing bulbs on the Delta. Seemed
like
>just about every bulb was shot in the thing. I finally got all of the
>inside lights working a while ago

Greg, I know what you mean. I just got all the interior lights working
this week. Fixing a grounded out door jam switch helped a lot but a
lot of courtesy light bulbs needed replacing. It was strange but my 69
ass'y manual bulb nos. matched what was available at the parts store
except for the rear quarter lights (in conv. armrest). The manual
called for 212 but the only 212's I could find were -1s or dash 2s and
they looked nothing like what I was after. I even tried the Olds
dealer. I tried 87s but they wouldn't lock in but would illuminate. A
spot of Crazy Glue held them in and they're still working. Now I have
to keep opening the doors to see the results of my handiwork. Like you
say, "simple pleasures".
Doc Bob can probaly relate to your post too.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:29:41 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Title Search

<I am trying to do a title search on my car and the state that I live in
only
>goes back the last eight years. How do I go about finding out the other 20
>years of my car?>


Some states won't release ANY information about past owners.  As in my case,
my car was originally sold at a Virginia dealership.  The VA. dmv wouldn't
give me any past registration information.  I was told this was to protect
their privacy.  Guess I can understand, there's too many nuts out there that
might start trouble.  Too bad though.

Did you get any paper work with the car? (ex. repair bills, part receipts)
Fortunately, my car came with a 12" stack of paper including a copy of a
past owners title! (lucky me)  I used the Internet and tracked down 5 of the
previous 7 owners that way.  So if you can get even a last name it's
helpful.

I suggest you try the Olds history center in Lansing MI.  They should at
least be able to tell you the state where your car was originally sold.  Hey
it's a start.

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend Street
Lansing, Michigan 48921-0001

Give them model, year, and VIN

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:31:31 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Olds Video review 

DR OLDS350 wrote:

>Did the videos come UPS or in the regular mail? Are the videos any good,
and
>are there scenes of the 70 Oldsmobiles up on the bridge?>

Mine came in a small box by regular mail.

I watched both video's this morning and here's my thoughts, (in my opinion):

{The Bad}  I think the "Lansing or bust" video is terrible.  VERY
DISAPPOINTING!  Cheesy, overdone video effects, that continue through the
entire thing.  Too short, (only 45 min).   My main complaint is they didn't
spotlight the cars!  :(   Granted, showing all the different festivities is
nice and interesting, but the cars are the whole point of the celebration.
They never showed the bridge where the 1970 cars were, "the shore" where the
71 &72 cars were, not even the area where they had a car representing each
year!   The tape reminded me of a low budget PR/sales video.  The end
focused too much on the "country stars that appeared" (yawn).

{The Good}  It comes in a pretty red box.  :)  The beginning is great,
showing the caravan that started from CA.  They also did a good job showing
the Olds motorcade, (which I attended).  They interviewed alot of guys but
never showed names, (which would have been nice).  I think the length of the
video should have been much longer.  Must have been hard to cram the whole
celebration week into just 45 minutes!  One of the list members was suppose
to put together a Lansing video from "home videos" people took.  Anybody
know what happened to that project?  I bet THAT video would be much better.
Sorry, but I think that "Lansing or bust" *is* a bust.   Thumbs down on this
one.

Now that my "mud slinging" is over, the other video I bought "Nearly
Perfect...Oldsmobile's First 100 Years" was great!  Although this one lasted
56 minutes, I still thought it could have been longer.  (But in all
fairness, when it comes to Oldsmobiles, I can never get enough!)   Very
interesting story about Oldsmobile with real audio clips of R.E. Olds
himself!  This ones a keeper.   Pair this up with that $12.00 Olds book
Alpha has on sale and you've got some real entertainment.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:02:31 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Simple Pleasures

M&D Gillespie wrote:

> >
> >Funny how little things can make you happy..

> dealer. I tried 87s but they wouldn't lock in but would illuminate. A
> spot of Crazy Glue held them in and they're still working. Now I have
> to keep opening the doors to see the results of my handiwork. Like you
> say, "simple pleasures".

I know this feeling all to well at work more than anywhere...  The
biggest thing that pops in my head was the day I replaced the door panel
on a 97 Achieva, set to go back to the GM Auction...  I got the door
panel on, (it was not co-operating, nor was I, so it was a L-O-N-G
job).  When I finally got it all in place, I went to put the two screws
back in, only to find out GM didn't ream the holes out for the screw to
go through on the panel, and went to my drill...  Batteries dead.  Went
to the grinder, and ground the screw down to the head!! Superglued it
back on, and that dumb reflector that I haven't figured out how to get
off without breaking, and my day seemed to pick up greatly...

Oh, BTW, If you buy a Program car in the South East, and it happens to
be a medium green, and the door panel falls off, and the dealer says so
idiot superglued the panel on, I KNOW NOTHING.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:43:05 -0800
From: JK McCall <jkmccall@cablelan.net>
Subject: Vacumn diagrams

Recently came back on the list after a lengthly absence and a long move.

Would like to know if someone has a vacumn diagram for an 82 Delta 88,
engine is a 307 (canadian, no computer but lots of vacumn hoses). 
Haynes manual is not very specific in this area.

Thanks in advance.

JK McCall

jkmccall@cablelan.net

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:36:03 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Posi question...

Jerry wrote:

>What is the trunk code for Posi Reared 87 Cutli?

I believe it's G80.  (According to Tom Lentz, and he should know, since he's
got an '84 H/O.)  

>Next Q is this:
>
>With posi, does the rear hum at cruising speeds?

Dunno...my '87 doesn't have posi.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:36:09 -0700
From: Robert A Sanders <rsanders@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Power Brake booster help

To all of you knowledgeable folks out there, hopefully you can enlighten
me on how to fill a "Treadle-Vac" power brake booster.  This is from a
'55 olds.  Seems there is a dip-stick with a wing handle (sort of).  I
unscrewed it and there is a steel rod about 6 inches long with a bit of
fluid on it.  I take it this is brake fluid.  The question is, how do I
check and refill the brake master cylinder. I can't find an obvious
place to put fluid in.  The dip stick does not have a graduated rod to
gage how full the booster is.  Also, is the Dwell the same as the Cam
angle? I am trying to put an electronic drop-in upgrade from Pertronix
into my distributor.  The company rep says they do not make one to fit a
'55 olds because of the dwell.  They do make one to fit the '57 Olds.  I
thought the dwell was the same for all those old Olds.  Any info or
comments are appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:50:08 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Olds Video review 

RC wrote,

>I watched both video's this morning and here's my thoughts, (in my opinion):

<snip>

>My main complaint is they didn't spotlight the cars! 

and another <snip>

>One of the list members was supposed to put together a Lansing video from
>"home videos" people took.  Anybody know what happened to that project?  I
bet >THAT video would be much better.

RC, I'm the one working on the Olds list video.  I haven't seen the other
two, so I don't have an opinion one way or the other on those.  I will say
this:  the video I'm working on ONLY SPOTLIGHTS THE CARS!  (Oops...loud
enough for ya? :-)  This is a slow process, because I can only work on it
"after hours".  However, it is coming along, and I'm determined to see it
finished.  There's no narration, every clip is set to music.  16 car related
songs, including Jackie Brenston & The Delta Cats "Rocket 88" and Kathy
Mattea's "455 Rocket".  It will run approx. 1 hour and 2 minutes, give or
take a few seconds.  I'll let everyone know when it's completed. (Worked on
it all night Saturday - hope to be done in a couple of weeks.)

Later,

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com    

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 01:59:32 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Posi question...

Doug Newman wrote:
> 
> Jerry wrote:
> 
> >What is the trunk code for Posi Reared 87 Cutli?
> 
> I believe it's G80.  (According to Tom Lentz, and he should know, since he's
> got an '84 H/O.)

It is G80. It is a standard code across all GM cars it seems. 

- -- 
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 DCM Impala SS.....14.66 @ 95.5
80 Olds 442 W-30..2nd place '97 Mondello Olds Nats. 
75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4...certified P.O.S.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 00:02:31 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Posi question...

> >With posi, does the rear hum at cruising speeds?
> 
> Dunno...my '87 doesn't have posi.

Shouldn't make any noise.  Only time posi should do anything is around
corners when it breaks loose.  Some will make noises then, depending on
their condition.  If you've got a hum, I'd suspect tires or bearings
being the source.  If you're wanting to know if you've got posi, jack up
one back tire.  If you can turn it by hand with the other rear tire on
the ground, brakes off, and tranny in neutral, then you don't have a
posi.  If you're on ice or gravel (or pavement looking for fun) and get 
have both tires spinning (and leaving steady marks while moving, for
pavement tests!) then you may well have posi.  It is possible to spin
both with an open diff, though.  I've got a GS that proves that well.
- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:43:22 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: need keys!

>I am probably going to buy a 82 Cutlass Calais at an auction, and there are
>no keys for it.  I have to have the car removed (the owner is going to rent
>out the garage space) within two days of sale.  I contacted the local
>dealership, and they said if I bring them the door look, the can make a
>door key and then an ignition key from that.  I think the door lock just
>clips in and out, but does anyone know how to take off the door panel?  Or
>does anyone know of a better alternative then doing this to get the car out
>of there?  Also, it has the rear and front sway bars, does this mean that
>it has the F41 (something like that) suspension package?  I can't read the
>trunk sticker, and the VIN # is 2G3AK47A6C2389539.  Can anyone tell me
>something from this number?  Thanks.
>
>Joe

Yes I do know how to take off the door panel but it can be a pain if you
don't have the right tool to remove the clips without damaging the panel.
For the door/trunk key you could try looking at the glove compartment lock
to see if there is a 4-digit code on it.  From this a good locksmith can
cut a key.  If you can get into the trunk, it is quite easy to remove that
cylinder and I have had keys cut from the code on it.  If it has an
electric trunk release, pull the switch out and connect a jumper wire from
a hot terminal (I used the glove compartment light feed) to the the wire
going to the trunk (try both of the wires on the power trunk switch you
won't hurt anything).

I could be wrong (anybody please correct me) but I don't think the ignition
code is related in any way to the door/trunk code.  You may have to pull
the steering wheel to remove the ignition cylinder.  You need a steering
wheel puller and a lock-plate compressor for this.

Also look carefully around the car, I found the key-codes hanging from a
ring under the hood of one car I bought and a set of keys wrapped in the
finger of an old glove and stuffed under the license plate holder in
another.

As far as just getting the car out of there have you considered a tow
truck(through the Automobile Club if you are a member)?



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:29:43 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442

> I have a non-related question, my Hurst dual-gate shifter is getting really
> loose, worn in the shifter itself, so to put it in drive requires moving it
> past drive, and the play leaves no room for putting it in 1st gear.  Does
> Hurst make replacement parts, or guarantee their shifters for life?


Mr. Gasket will honor the Hurst Dualgate lifetime guarantee against
breakage, and will also rebuild it for around $55.  You pay shipping
both ways.  Now, as far as moving it past drive.....it could be a cable
stretch, or linkage adjustment problem, not necessarily a worn out
shifter.  I've personally never seen a wore out dual-gate. Try one of
the aftermarket restoration places for the cable.  They may have one.


> I'm getting 10mpg in town, and 14mpg highway (70 mph). Is that good?

No.  Look into what is causing the soot problem, could be a misadjusted
carb, or the bottom of the fuel bowl is leaking.  Common on Q-jets.
> 
> And a third question.  When I purchased the car it had an after-market 8 track
> and they had cut out the radio space.  I put it a tape player and covered the
> space with the face-plate.  I have seen custom radio face-plates for mustangs
> and other cars to make new radios look original.  Do they do that for 442's?

You can get another radio faceplate from another 69 Cutlass.  One that
wasn't hacked.  And you can replace them on the 68/69s.  Make it like
new again.  As far as making a "newer" radio to fit, it is available. 
Don't remember the name of the companies, but there are a couple.  One
of the radio places makes kenwood guts fit in a standard 69 cutlass
radio box, it looks like a 69 factory job, until you turn it on.

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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