
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, January 4 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1040



Re: shop manuals
Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?
Unseen Mail - Was 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!
Re: '69 Convert Quarters
Re: 1970 W-32?
R46S
Re: Cold?
54 olds oil problem
67' cross ram
Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)
Bosch Plugs
Re: Who has a web site?
Re: Who has a web site?
more fun in yer car
Re: Bosch Plugs
Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.
Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)
Re: Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado
Re: 67' cross ram
Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)
Re: 1970 W-32?
Re: Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado
Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)
Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)
parts suppliers
Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.
1985 Oldsmobile 442
Re: 67' cross ram
Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.
Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442
75 S
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1039
wtd: bumpers & rear stab. bar
non-perf W-options
Hotchkis Rear Suspension Parts ?
Test. don't read
Re: Intake Manifold Update
Re: Intake Manifold Update
**VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION**
Re: shop manuals
Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.
Re:  69 quarters
Re: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help
Re: 69 quarters
Re: Value of my car.
test, don't read
Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442
senator@itis.com
Mid '70s Cutlass/442 parts
Re: 69 quarters
Re: non-perf W-options
Hosed

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:08:14 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: shop manuals

Jim H writes:
        Woohoo!  I just bought a 87 Cutlass Salon and would like to know
>where I can get a set of shop manuals for it, and an approximate cost?  I
>have a Haynes manual that covers '74-'88, and was good for my '79 cutlass
>260, but doesn't seem to be to cover the '81's and up very good.  Does
>Chilton offer a better manual?

I have a list of some people that might be able to sell you shop manuals
that I composed from this list and a parts site on the web.  I apologize if
I list someone who doesn't sell them or doesn't want to be listed.  They
are: bigkingc@swbell.net,   CARBOOKS@aol.com,  shopmanuals@msn.com,
whz@kansas.net.

I hope this helps.

Bob
'78 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:14:55 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > My pal Brian has a repro battery for his '71 SX. I think it's the R-59
> > Energizer.
> 
> Correction; I was just talking to him and he tells me it's a R-71. Cars
> with 350s got the R-59. He also says it's listed correctly in the owner's
> manual for that year.

Hey, this prompted me to open the owner's manual for my 71 442, and it
states the following:

               250      350    350    455    455    455
             L6 1bbl    2bbl   4bbl   2bbl   4bbl   performance

battery        Y-55     R-59   R-59   R-71S  R-71S  R-71S
amp hours      44       61     61     73     73     73
# of plates    54       66     66     90     90     90

BTW, there was a discussion not to long ago about the fluid capacities
of the differential, these are listed in the owners manual in both U.S.
Measure (3.7 pts) and Imperial Measure (3 pts).

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:28:50 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Unseen Mail - Was 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> Saw it the first time with no problems. My browser is IE4. How did you
> know that others didn't see it?
> Does this happen often? What are the conditions? Just curious?

I'm using Netscape 4.03.  That message showed up with "-" as the sender,
and a blank subject line.  When replying, it tried sending to nobody,
and when quoting, it showed up as "unknown wrote..."  The orig. message
showed up with miles of header info, apparantly bounced around a few
extra times before arriving?  The message was there, intact, at the
bottom, but there are those who don't read messages without subjects,
since they're of no interest.  I only read the "interesting-looking"
ones, usually.  I will also check out the blank oness, since I don't
know that they ~aren't~ interesting.  Some don't.  Anyway, I forewarded
it with a correct subject line, so everyone can at least know what it
is.  That clear anything up?



               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:44:01 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Convert Quarters

  hello,,happy new year... haven't heard from you in a while...

      bet it's cold where you are.. take care jeff..

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:53:00 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?

Don't get all excited, Mark.  You misread me.  You've repeated what I was 
trying to say!  An SX came with a 2-bbl. 455 (standard), and the W-32 *in
addition* to the SX gave you the 4-bbl 442 engine.  Didn't mean to get you
started!

Kurt    wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------

> << Actually, the W-32 (in '70) was an option *on* the SX which upgraded
the 
>  standard 2-bbl 455 to the 4-bbl 442 engine.
>   >>
> Thats incorrect Kurt. The 70 SX W-32 option was only a 455 upgrade.  I
myself
> owned a 70 SX with 455 2bbl and it was original.  The options that came
> standard with the 70 SX are as follow
> 
> Bumper with cutouts, special emblems SX, wheels discs chrome,exhaust
system
> full dual with straight through mufflers,resontors,tailpipes and Th400
(M40)
> required
> 455 engine horsepower   320 @ 4200 rpm
> torque    500 @ 2400
> compression of 10.25
> carburator barrels  (no.) 2 
> fuel recommended   premium
> 
> 
> That my friend is what comes with the SX option for 1970

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:01:02 EST
From: BradRoss79 <BradRoss79@aol.com>
Subject: R46S

I have heard that AC is going to discontinue the R46S spark plug.
Do any of you know if this is true?
If so, what plugs should be used in place of the R46S?

Thanks for your input.

Brad Ross
OCA 026076
Swartz Creek,  MI
71 Delta 88's

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:12:03 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Cold?

OldsGuyGA wrote:
> 
>   hello,,happy new year... haven't heard from you in a while...
> 
>       bet it's cold where you are.. take care jeff..


I'll bet it's colder there than it is here in Miami  :)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:32:07 -0800
From: "Dan McCormick" <danmcc@macnet.com>
Subject: 54 olds oil problem

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Hi everybody.  Recently bought a 54 olds 88 with (supposedly) 26,000 =
miles on it. It has the 324 ci engine. I have a problem which has me =
perplexed. When first started, the engine is quiet but after a few =
minutes it has a lot of valve clatter. After removing the valve covers I =
discovered that most of the oil ports were plugged up and there was =
significant wear on the pushrods and rocker arms. After removing, =
cleaning and rebuilding rocker assemblies and pushrods it still seems =
(in my opinion) that I'm not getting sufficient lubrication to rockers. =
Still clattery. Oil only comes out of the rocker holes when the engine =
is reved up. Is this normal? I took an extra rocker asm and drilled a =
hole through the shaft support so I could see how much oil pressure I =
was getting. Oil did come out but it was pulsating and I could hold my =
finger over it and stop it. Since I have 30-45 lbs of oil pressure on =
the gauge this didn't seem quite right to me.
I remember way back my 57 ford had a problem with oil passages being =
plugged up and there was a bypass kit you could buy. Is this engine =
subject to the same problem? and how can I remedy it without tearing a =
low mileage engine completely apart. Would running solvent throught it =
hurt anything? Has it anything to do with the fact that non-detergent =
oil was used back then. Any advise would be greatly appreciated as I'm =
anxious to get on with the restoration.
Dan McCormick   =20
danmcc@macnet.com


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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:43:20 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: 67' cross ram

List,
	Any chance that the 67' olds with the cross ram motor was a big block
Buick - 425 I think - around 65-66 ??????


				The general

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:47:10 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

Robert F. Newbegin Jr. wrote:
> 
> I have a '78 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme W-19...

> ...I'm not entirely sure what
> the W-19 means, because it came with a 260 c.i.d. engine. I
> would appreciate any input that anyone has, even on what the W-19 means.
> 
> Bob Newbegin
> '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Bob,

Were are you getting this W19 information from?  Who or what has told
you about W19?  My '78 sales manuals make no mention of W19, but that
doens't mean it didn't exist.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:49:58 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Bosch Plugs

No, _I_ didn't put 'em in...

I finally broke down and had the thing tuned up and they replaced the
cap and rotor and put in new Bosch plugs.  Now the idle is fine, but it
has been steadily developing a miss or a hesitation.  Just when I crack
the throttle, there is NO engine power and it hesitates a lot -- any
speed any gear, especially accelerating from a stop, like in a shopping
center parking lot.  The All-Tune & Lube place I took it to gave me a 12
month warranty, so I think I'll take advantage of that on Monday or
sometime (I had the tune-up done last Tuesday) and bring my new AC-Delco
R46SX plugs with me--just in case.  I'm really wishing I hadn't touched
the darn thing in the first place--it idled better before and it ran
stronger before.

No responses necessarily requested, I'm just venting some frustration
(my parents are getting quite tired of it here at home :-)

Later everyone.

- -Jason Adcock
- -jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:18:24 -0700
From: "clindsay" <clindsay@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Who has a web site?

Here is ours.  Some servers have problems accessing this site.  Should be
corrected soon enough.... ;-)


see our cars @ http://netnow.micron.net/~tomlind/

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:22:49 -0500
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Who has a web site?

RC Hellebuyck wrote:
> 
> Mike K's recent post gave me an idea;
> 
> Let's hear from Olds list members who have their own web page!  I
> think it would be great to inter-link the web sites of list members.
> We would be able to get to know more about the people we "type" to,
> plus in most cases SEE their cars.
> 
> BTW, just to be sure we don't disrupt the Olds list, (and Greg's
> sanity), all should respond or discuss this by private e-mail.
> 
> I'm game if you are...let me know!
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
> 1995 Achieva S
> 
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/


Check it out below !


- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
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     100th Centennial Celebration #2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4	             |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34 

		* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
		* Comming Soon----->3STICKS.com *
		* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 12/15/97)

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:23:31 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: more fun in yer car

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I did this one a few days ago,and promptly had to replace a tire......

I had a car full of "homies" (rap listening high school kids =
w/attitudes) behind me at a stop light, NUDGING my olds with thier god =
awful m*zda ..... I hit the gas, stood on the brakes and smoked em out =
of thier car! As soon as the green light came up- i was gone.Heheeh.Lets =
hear it for torque.....

Erik=20
73 Olds Delta 88=20

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and=20
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:52:30 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Bosch Plugs

Jason Adcock wrote:

> No responses necessarily requested, I'm just venting some frustration
> (my parents are getting quite tired of it here at home :-)

I hear ya, tonight, my Cutlass lost it's rear light system...  Well, all
accept brakes...  At 10:30PM, I'm on the phone to dad... Asking
potential questions...  <G> He said "10:30 is not the time to call me
and ask this stuff, if you wouldn't fix was isn't broken, it will work
just fine"...  Tore the dash apart at the gas station, looking for why
the parking lights are out.  DIDN'T EVEN THINK TO CHECK THE TRUNK... 
Until later, when I noticed the previous owner had installed after
market lighting system for towing.....  With ELECTRICAL TAPE... 
UGH....  Anyway, for some reason, the tape was a cold melted blob of
goo, with the power wire to the regular lights not contacting...  Taped
it back up, and send it back home... Heat shink tubing, HERE I COME.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:42:23 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Did 80's Hurst and 442 have a different air cleaner unit than the single
> snout Supremes, and Salons??  Maybe a dual snout???

Yes, it's a dual snorkel.  With a chrome lid (ooooh, aaaahh!).

> If they did, were they functional on both sides of the cleaner???

Also yes, it's functional on both sides.  The drivers side is like any other
snorkel.  The passenger side is short and wide, and is not ducted to outside
air.  There is a flapper valve on the passenger side (secondary) snorkel
that goes to a manifold vacuum source that opens when vacuum drops.

> Does anyone have one they'd part with? No J/Y around here's got a 442 or
> a Hurst for me to scrounge it from.

Nope, sorry.  They're not available from GM anymore either.  Not sure if I
can offer any good advice on finding one.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:59:26 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

Robert F. Newbegin Jr. wrote:

> place in Madison (I live near Madison, Wisconsin) and I saw a set of spark
> plug wires for $60.  The box made it sound like they would increase
> performance and engine output, but I didn't believe it.  I was curious,
> though, because I thought that at least all wires were created equal.  Has
> anyone ever used 'high performance wires' or a full flow air cleaner?  I
> would appreciate any input that anyone has, even on what the W-19 means.

Who's wires were they???  I have a set of Accel 8.8 Spiral Core, 
(street/strip according to the box) wires, and I would say they are
AWESOME, except, you gotta make your own length and stuff...  Being new
to that, I was a little leary... I REALLY wanted Accel 300+, but they
didn't have em.  My Mustang II ran Accel Super Stock 8mm wires, both
cars showed a GREAT power improvement.

I would say that the "hi-Po" wires use a purer substance to transfer
spark.  The bigger the passage for electricity to flow, the easier it is
to get juice to the plugs.  Also, bigger, I would say could support
more.  Like a Garden hose compared to a 2" PVC pipe.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 00:01:20 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado

Brian Kerr wrote:
     
     Another member of my car club says that he has a cross ram manifold 
with 2 four barrel carbs that came out of a 67 Toronado....Is this a 'for 
real' combination? The guy claims it is a factory setup, but a book I have 
on Toronadoes doesn't list it.

     Brian,
     
     Olds never offered a cross ram as a factory option in the Toro or any 
     other car.  Having said that, Olds _did_ cast a few cross ram manifolds 
     in the late sixties.  The July 1969 issue of Hot Rod Magazine has a 
     two-page color spread featuring then Olds General Manager John Beltz 
     with seven experimental Olds engines.   Directly in the center of the 
     picture is a single overhead cam 455 with a dual quad cross ram intake.
     
     I subsequently found what appears to be one of these factory-cast cross 
     ram intakes at a swap meet.  As with the manifold in the Hot Rod 
     article, the one in my basement is configured for two QuadraJet carbs 
     oriented back-to-back with the primary bores pointing towards the 
     rocker arm covers.  A bellcrank linkage arrangement operates the two 
     carbs' throttle levers.  (I was convinced that the manifold I bought 
     was a factory-built experimental unit because no aftermarket company in 
     their right mind would cast such an intake using Q-Jets instead of 
     Holley carbs!)
     
     The manifold itself is aluminum and uses a pair of rather large plenums 
     with straight individual runners to each cylinder.  Each runner has a 
     raised number corresponding to it's cylinder number cast into the top 
     surface of the runner.  Other identifying nomenclature on the manifold 
     are the words
     
                FIRING ORDER
                18436572
     
     cast into the forward edge of the top of the left (driver's side) 
     plenum and the serial number
     
                ER-13112       -A-
     
     cast into the left side coolant passage (between the left edge of the 
     manifold and the t-stat housing).  All of the letters noted above are 
     about 1/2" to 3/4" tall and raised.
     
     One interesting thing about the intake is that a standard Olds points 
     distributor will not clear the intake (and the HEI is even larger).  
     Use of this manifold will require either some sort of custom-fabricated 
     distributor which is taller, offset, or smaller in diameter, or else 
     the engine will need to be run using a distributorless ignition system 
     similar to that used on the Aurora engine.
     
     I paid $225 for my intake at a swap meet in California about 15 years 
     ago.  I've never seen another one other than the picture in Hot Rod.  
     I can't imagine that Olds made more than 8 or 10 of these intakes, so 
     if it really is one of the factory experimental manifolds it would be 
     worth a lot.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 00:26:12 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: 67' cross ram

List,
        Any chance that the 67' olds with the cross ram motor was a big block
Buick - 425 I think - around 65-66 ??????
     
     
                                The general
     
     The only problem with that theory is that the Buick dual quad setup 
     used two carbs in-line - it wasn't a cross ram.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:27:02 -0600
From: "Samuel E. Johnson, Jr" <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

I tried the Taylor wires and I was very impressed. Also, I ran the Splitfire
spark plugs. I wouldn't use anything els unless somebody out there can convince
me otherwise.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Robert F. Newbegin Jr. wrote:
>
> > place in Madison (I live near Madison, Wisconsin) and I saw a set of spark
> > plug wires for $60.  The box made it sound like they would increase
> > performance and engine output, but I didn't believe it.  I was curious,
> > though, because I thought that at least all wires were created equal.  Has
> > anyone ever used 'high performance wires' or a full flow air cleaner?  I
> > would appreciate any input that anyone has, even on what the W-19 means.
>
> Who's wires were they???  I have a set of Accel 8.8 Spiral Core,
> (street/strip according to the box) wires, and I would say they are
> AWESOME, except, you gotta make your own length and stuff...  Being new
> to that, I was a little leary... I REALLY wanted Accel 300+, but they
> didn't have em.  My Mustang II ran Accel Super Stock 8mm wires, both
> cars showed a GREAT power improvement.
>
> I would say that the "hi-Po" wires use a purer substance to transfer
> spark.  The bigger the passage for electricity to flow, the easier it is
> to get juice to the plugs.  Also, bigger, I would say could support
> more.  Like a Garden hose compared to a 2" PVC pipe.
> --
> - Jerry Christopher
> - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?

><< Actually, the W-32 (in '70) was an option *on* the SX which upgraded the 
> standard 2-bbl 455 to the 4-bbl 442 engine.
>  >>
>Thats incorrect Kurt. The 70 SX W-32 option was only a 455 upgrade.  I myself
>owned a 70 SX with 455 2bbl and it was original.  The options that came
>standard with the 70 SX are as follow
 [snip of description of SX option]

I'm just wondering what in Kurt's statement is being called incorrect? The
W-32 455 being the same motor installed in the 442? The W-32 certainly
wasn't an upgrade to an L-31 big-car 455; in fact, the whole drivetrain was
different when the SX was ordered with the W-32 option (big-valve 4-bbl 455
& OG-code TH400 & 3.08 rear, vs. the regular SX's small-valve 2-bbl 455 &
OD-code TH400 & 2.56 rear). Considering that the SX option *only* included
the drivetrain items, the W-32 was a completely different car than the
regualar Y-79 Supreme
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:28:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado

>     Another member of my car club says that he has a cross ram manifold 
>with 2 four barrel carbs that came out of a 67 Toronado. He pulled the 
>engine out of the olds and ran it in a chevy for a while, then pulled it out 
>and stored it. Is this a 'for real' combination? The guy claims it is a 
>factory setup, but a book I have on Toronadoes doesn't list it. He has it 
>stored, but is going to check his records to find out if he has written down 
>any of the numbers off it. If the engine is ok, what is is worth setup like 
>this?

No, that is not a factory engine option, _especially_ on a Toronado! The low
hoodline of the Toronado requires a very low-profile intake manifold. Though
Olds played around with cross-ram dual-Quadrajet intakes (who's got that
prototype intake?), there wouldn't be enough space to fit that configuration
under the hood of a Toronado without a *huge* hood bubble.

Now, Olds did also cast up some prototype low-profile tripower intakes that
would fit under the hood of a Toronado (as found on their Granturismo
2-seater Toronado prototype, as well as on the "XX"), but that used the
three 2-bbl Rochesters.

If in fact he does have some factory-produced multicarb Olds intake,
however, the value would be in the stratosphere, especially if it was truly
a dual-quad intake.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:28:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

>I have a '78 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme W-19.  I'm not entirely sure what
 [snip]
>It has a 'full flow' air cleaner, (no snorkel).  Does this increase
>horsepower at all?  I know it bypasses certain emissions control systems
>(PCV, EGR, and I think TVS).  I was considering buying a snorkel, to see if
>it runs any smoother.  Right now, if I start it in the cold, it will start

An open-element air cleaner need not bypass those controls; you can run the
PCV, EGR and TVS with an open-element air cleaner. You may have to replace
the breather that formerly went to the aircleaner with an aftermarket one.

You might also notice a hesitation with the open-element air cleaner; your
car is leaning out off idle, because it's getting more air than it was
designed for. You can compensate by tailoring the fuel curve, richening up
just off idle.

A good dual-snorkel will approach the performance of an open-element air
cleaner, and perhaps surpass it if you've got cold air ducts hooked up to
those snorkels. Plus, you can get preheated air for improved cold-weather
drivability.

>little high.)  I was planning on replacing my spark plugs, spark plug
>wires, distributor cap, rotor, coil, and fuel filter.  I was in a car parts
>place in Madison (I live near Madison, Wisconsin) and I saw a set of spark
>plug wires for $60.  The box made it sound like they would increase
>performance and engine output, but I didn't believe it.  I was curious,
>though, because I thought that at least all wires were created equal.  Has

To an extent, yes, as long as the wire fires the sparkplug, it's equal to
the other wires that do the same thing. I don't know that anyone has ever
realized a significant performance gain by replacing good-functioning
factory wires with a set of "performance" wires, unless the original wires
were somewhat faulty or not up to the task.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:56:24 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

Paul Hartlieb writes:
>Bob,
>
>Were are you getting this W19 information from?  Who or what has told
>you about W19?  My '78 sales manuals make no mention of W19, but that
>doens't mean it didn't exist.
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net
>'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

It has W-19 ornamentation all over the place.  There's one one the dash
above the radio, one on the trunk (I think), one behind the rear window (by
where it says Cutlass Supreme).  I suppose that it could have been
aftermarket decoration to trick someone into paying more.  I guess that
would make sense, actually, because not only have I never seen a W-19
before, it had a small engine, etc.  Hmm.  Makes you wonder...

Bob
'78 Cutlass Supreme W-19?

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:00:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: parts suppliers

having only dealt with fusick, max hineman, steele rubber and individuals
in JWO or Runabouts to Rockets for old olds parts i am a happy camper and
would highly reccomend any of them for your shopping convenience

47rocket98

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:19:26 -0500
From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.

>Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
>> Did 80's Hurst and 442 have a different air cleaner unit than the single
>> snout Supremes, and Salons??  Maybe a dual snout???


With exception of the 80 442. It got a plain old regular air cleaner.
>
>> Does anyone have one they'd part with? No J/Y around here's got a 442 or
>> a Hurst for me to scrounge it from.

Well if you can't find a 442 dual snorkel there is hope. The  82-85 Z/28's with the L69
H.O. 305 had a dual snorkel aircleaner that might fit. I know Classic Industries sells
these for $139.

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 DCM Impala SS  80 Olds 442 W-30
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4  75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:37:34 -0500
From: Stephen Cea <u1013053@warwick.net>
Subject: 1985 Oldsmobile 442

I am looking for any and all parts for a 1985 Olds 442, I would also
like to purchase a rear spoiler for my 442 from an 1983 hurst Olds. Any
information leading to a great parts source would be greatly appreciated

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:54:12 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 67' cross ram

,
>         Any chance that the 67' olds with the cross ram motor was a big
block
> Buick - 425 I think - around 65-66 ??????
>      
>      
>                                 The general
>      
>      The only problem with that theory is that the Buick dual quad setup 
>      used two carbs in-line - it wasn't a cross ram.
>      
>      Joe Padavano
>     

Pontiac had a cross ram made by Mickey Tompson 
I know I had one

Robert Schinkel

> 

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 07:57:13 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.

> 
> Well if you can't find a 442 dual snorkel there is hope. The  82-85 Z/28's with the L69
> H.O. 305 had a dual snorkel aircleaner that might fit. I know Classic Industries sells
> these for $139.

The air Camaro cleaner you describe should fit, however, just for
information, when I was considering buying a replacement for my 85 442 a
couple of years ago, and they were still available from GM, the air
cleaner was gonna cost me around $435 even with my generous discount at
the dealership.  My original is still mint, so I couldn't justify that
expense.  So if you CAN find a used one for less than that, you'll be
doing fine.  And oh yes, a new GM catalytic converter for the same car,
around $500 with a discount....yikes.

FYI
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 08:11:41 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442

> I am looking for any and all parts for a 1985 Olds 442, I would also
> like to purchase a rear spoiler for my 442 from an 1983 hurst Olds. Any
> information leading to a great parts source would be greatly appreciated

What parts are you looking for specifically?

Your best bet is to try the GM dealership to see what they have left. Or
the wrecking yards.  Maybe you'll get lucky and find someone that has a
bunch of NOS stuff.  The 85 is getting to be one of those half-breed
cars, where it's too old for GM to keep all the parts on hand, yet too
new for the aftermarket companies to go full tilt on them.  One supposed
benefit that you have is that the GN's and Monte SS's are the same body
style, sortof, and as companies start making some of the "Cross bred"
parts for them, since they were more plentiful and more popular (can't
see why),  you could use some of those parts when available.  It could
be a while though.  The mid 70s Cutlass/442 parts are JUST now arriving
in somewhat larger capacity than they once were, as the popularity of
these models increase.

As for the spoiler, I was perusing through the H/OCA ads, and you can
get one (he's got 2) for $400.  Call Mark at 616-677-1638 nights, or
616-892-9535.  

Another ad has a spoiler for $550, 517-54-7860

Good luck,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:12:42 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 75 S

AGUY4RUMLI wrote:
> 
> Hey matt whats up with those parts? Did you start taking that thing apart yet?

Well, you don't want the trim around the opera windows, it's shot. You
can have the chrome trim pieces from them. The rubber in the bumber
looks good though. As soon as i can get it out, we'll talk.


- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft© Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:24:35 +0000
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@flash.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1039

I am looking for a supplier of oldsmobile interiors for a 1976 olds 88. 
I has a white vinyl interior with a 96/40 power front seat.  the Driver
bottom needs replacement.  Does anyone know of a place to order just the
seat bottom?

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:04:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wtd: bumpers & rear stab. bar

Folks: this guy is looking for the following stuffs. Please be sure to
RESPOND DIRECTLY TO HIM at this address:

> From loris@tir.com Fri Jan  2 16:28:55 1998


> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:38:02 -0500
> Do you have one front and one rear bumper for a 1972 Cutlass (w/out
> cutouts)?  I need them to be in excellent condition, i.e. I should not
> have to re-chrome them.  How much?  I can pick them up (to save me the
> shipping cost).
> -Loris
> Macomb, MI
> (810) 228-7829

I told him I have  a presentable rear bumper for $100. Anyone have a stabilizer
bar foe him? I fwd'd him Chermack's recent list.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:12:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: non-perf W-options

Oh, and who can name the non-performance W- options? (I noticed one in the
Restoration Guide).
=================
Well, for a year or two there around 1980, "W30" had nothing to do with
performance; 'twas an appearance [& handling?] package.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:20:19 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Hotchkis Rear Suspension Parts ?

Has anyone out there in Olds-land had any experience with installation and
general utility of the Hotchkis tubular rear suspension components ? They
are offered as separate parts (upper trailing arms, lower trailing arms and
braces) or as a kit for 64-72 A bodies. I'm playing with the idea of
installing them on my 66 F-85 to stabilize the rear end a bit for launching
at the track.

BTW, as to the mileage discussion: I usually get about 12 MPG on the
highway with the 462 (455 + .030), Performer, QJ, TH-350, 2800 stall and
3.90s in the 66. Nothing to write home about, but acceptable given the
setup.

Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:18:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Gail & Tom Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Test. don't read

test

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:46:31
From: <terrywiles@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Update

Re:  Well, I finally got my intake manifold back on. 

Also, since it was beginning to rain and I had ruined the valley pan 

gasket, I just used my other, two-piece gaskets. I am a little worried 

about wether or not I'll have leaks down inside. Is there any way to 

tell that I have internal leaks without actually getting inside it 

again? 



I am not sure what type of leakage problems you will have with the two piece gaskets but, I also had the same problem.   I asked several people and found out that the purpose of the gasket (valley pan type) is to keep the hot oil off of the manifold.   When you raise the temp of the intake manifold two things happen.   The fuel may vaporize before it reaches the pistons, severely hurting performance.   The other thing is that for every 10 degrees of change in the temperature if the intake mixture there is a 1% increase / degrease in the number of HP.   



Terry Wiles

'70 Supreme








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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:46:27
From: <terrywiles@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Update

Re:  Well, I finally got my intake manifold back on. 

Also, since it was beginning to rain and I had ruined the valley pan 

gasket, I just used my other, two-piece gaskets. I am a little worried 

about wether or not I'll have leaks down inside. Is there any way to 

tell that I have internal leaks without actually getting inside it 

again? 



I am not sure what type of leakage problems you will have with the two piece gaskets but, I also had the same problem.   I asked several people and found out that the purpose of the gasket (valley pan type) is to keep the hot oil off of the manifold.   When you raise the temp of the intake manifold two things happen.   The fuel may vaporize before it reaches the pistons, severely hurting performance.   The other thing is that for every 10 degrees of change in the temperature if the intake mixture there is a 1% increase / degrease in the number of HP.   



Terry Wiles

'70 Supreme








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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 10:49:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: **VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION**

What would the cylinder heads torque specs be for putting 1972 350 heads
on a 1979 403 block?  The head gaskets are 403.  Please reply privately
and asap!

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:12:15 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: shop manuals

Jim Hurd wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
>         Woohoo!  I just bought a 87 Cutlass Salon and would like to know
> where I can get a set of shop manuals for it, and an approximate cost?  I
> have a Haynes manual that covers '74-'88, and was good for my '79 cutlass
> 260, but doesn't seem to be to cover the '81's and up very good.  Does
> Chilton offer a better manual?
> 
> Jim H.
> 87 Salon
JIm,
  You should still be able to order brand new ones from GM.  Their
distributor is Helm, Inc. Number is 800-782-4356.  Got my '86 manuals
about a year ago.  Should be about $70 for Service Manual, $25 for Body
manual and a  couple a bucks for shipping.  You might be able to save a
few ordering from an "aftermarket" source, but the ones from Helm are
factory fresh, etc....

Hope this helps...
- -- 
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL
'86 442
'98 Grand Prix GTP
- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:19:36 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Another ?, this time, 442s.

MROTHE wrote:
<snip>
> couple of years ago, and they were still available from GM, the air
> cleaner was gonna cost me around $435 even with my generous discount at
> the dealership.  My original is still mint, so I couldn't justify that
> expense.  So if you CAN find a used one for less than that, you'll be
> doing fine.  And oh yes, a new GM catalytic converter for the same car,
> around $500 with a discount....yikes.
Yeah, seems all those parts come gold-plated or something...I was quoted
$435 for a new radiator for an '86 442, which I picked up for around
$150...

- -- 
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:15:05 EST
From: Oldsparts <Oldsparts@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  69 quarters

One last time people!

YOUR SATISFACTION IS GUARANTEED! 
THESE PANELS ARE RETURNABLE!
THESE ARE THE ONLY GM Licensed AND APPROVED  REPRODUCTION QUARTERS AVAILABLE!

With an engineer and a body man with 35 years experience handling the job, you
think a decision would have been made BEFORE THE INSTALLATION WAS DONE,  WHEN
THE PRODUCT COULD STILL BE RETURNED!   THIS:

>>I am very displeased with Brothers and would like

to discuss how Brothers can make some form of restitution to me.  If

you have any questions regarding this you can either contact the body

shop or me.  I would like to hear back from you at your earliest 

convenience to discuss this either by phone or e-mail.<< 

STRIKES ME LIKE EXTORTION!

I can't do any better than the best available parts, with a money back return
policy (Try that with the other guys).  We have set up a system that allows
the customer to say "no thanks" to almost any item received from us without
any expense to the customer.  In the case of the reproduction quarter panels
the terms are clearly stated in our catalog and on the website!  

 Mail order is tough for some people.  At Brothers Automotive, with 20 years
experience in this industry, we recognize this.  That's why we offer a money
back guarantee.  We want our customers to be happy with every item they
purchase from us.  We do not want our customers to ever feel like they got
stuck with some part the did not want, was not what they expected etc.  In
fact, we don't ever want our customers  displeased for any reason. We want our
customer to be happy with their purchasing decisions and we bend over backward
to accommodate any special needs or to resolve any discrepancies that arise
between the customers expectations and reality.  Our MONEY BACK GUARANTEE is
just one assurance of our customers satisfaction.  

I am willing to assume all responsibilty for the purchasing (and or refund)
end of the equation.     I can only be held responsible for the parts.  The
management of the restoration process is on you.   I can not and will not be
held responsible for your  installation decisions.
 
 For what I would hope are obvious reasons,  I feel our responsibilty to you
my customer has been fulfilled.  Chris-Your options ended when you or your
body guy installed the items.  You should have opted to return the panels for
a full refund if you were not happy.  At this point you have nothing to
return, and our options are very limited. 

A quick analogy:  You buy a TV set at Sears that you intend to build into a
wall in your family room.  You receive a set either to big or small for your
needs so you either cut down or build up the case of the TV and install it
into the wall.  After you have cut the item you purchased and installed it
into the wall of your home and are using it, do you think Sears is going to
give you a refund? Or an "adjustment?"

Despite the opinions of those list "experts" overly prone to shoot off at the
mouth,  like MROTHE and RC HELLEBUCK,
this is NOT a customer service issue.  This is a customer expectation problem.
Lets be frank:  Reproduction sheet metal generally sucks when compared to NOS.
We can't sell any thing better than the best available parts.  
At the risk of sounding arrogant, welcome to automotive restoration.  You know
the deal-"if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"   Pay the
LOOONG buck for NOS and bitch about the money or go with the repos and bitch
about the quality...the choice is yours-before installation.   After
installation, well, its your baby.  It's a choice before you install it, but
it's your quarter after it's been installed!  

How can I be more fair? Suggestions any one?  So long as your suggestions are
within the Uniform Commercial Code (federal law that applies to all US
business) I'll give them the utmost consideration.  

In closing, I AM NOT ASHAMED!  I'm really quite proud.  Brothers Automotive
Products has just ended another record year of sales, up 19.5% over last year,
and this in a shrinking market.  We are so busy we have not done any
restorations to speak of in almost two years.   With literally thousands of
happy customers, we must be doing some things right.  On the other hand, I see
a guy like Hellybuck get red around the ass (sorry ladies)  over a just plain
silly issue such as this and wonder-what did we ever do to him personally to
deserve this type of indirect and cowardly animosity?

  We are committed, in a big way, to providing the best available Oldsmobile
items to this market.  We intend to do this for at least another 10 years or
so.  We don't sell Chevrolet parts.  If we did I would be a retired
millionaire by now.  I love the old OLDSES and will continue to support and
build this market.   If you have a legitimate problem with a product, our
service, or just us in general,  call us and tell us (preferably before
installation!),  we will pay for the call.  You'll get it off your chest and
we will all feel better.   Still reading R.C.?

Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,  
Steven Kenny
Brothers Automotive Products
America's Leading Supplier of Cutlass/442 parts
800-442-PART
WWW.OLDSPARTS.COM
 

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 12:26:09 -0700
From: william goodnight <idaholc@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help

At 07:30 AM 1/3/98 -0800, Gary Andresen wrote:
>Love those '50s Oldsmobiles.....I have a '55 Olds 88 2-door Holiday with a
>455 in it.
>
>Have a telephone number here for a guy that used to specialize in '49 to '55
>Oldsmobiles.
>Have had it for a few years, so don't know if it is still good or not, but
>good luck.
>
>    209-668-8850 (No name on card, just a picture of a ''49 convertible)
>
>Gary Andresen
>Pleasanton, CA
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 8:42 PM
>Subject: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help
>
>
>> HI AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL:
>>
>>  Just thought I'd pop in to say hello to all and wish everyone a Happy New
>>Year.  I'm a new subscriber to the mailing list and have been reading the
>>posts for two days now.
>>   I have been a mechanic for over 35 years and have been an Olds fan since
>my
>>teens.  I noticed that most posts are 69-72 Cutlass and 442 (good
>machines).
>>My current project is a 50 Coupe (88).  After many years of searching I
>found
>>one 30 miles from my home.  I have retained as much stock appearance as
>>possible, but the rust is major (any other car and I would not consider
>even
>>trying to saving it).  So far the drivetrain I have set up is a 10 to 1 -
>455
>>bored 40 over, muncie 4 speed etc.
>>   Anyone who knows of any  body parts anywhere (hood can not be saved)
>rocker
>>panels etc., I would love to hear from you.  Any E-Mail will be answered.
>>   Also glad to help with any  automotive problems, new or old.
>>
>>   Wrencher43@aol.com
>>
>
>Try these guys.  They specialize in '50 olds parts:

	Mike Cohen   - Nothern Cal.  (209)668-8850
	Woody (Long Beach, CA) ( 909)685-3819

P.S.  I have several quality trim parts for '50 Olds if you are interested:

	Primo '50 Olds small hubcaps
	Back-up lights (bezels freshly chromed)
	Hood brass "world" emblem
	'49/'50 front and rear seats (excellant condition - need upholstery)


Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
1014 E. Franklin
Boise, Idaho
(208)345-0158

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:28:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 69 quarters

Wow!

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible



>One last time people!

Major snip

 If you have a legitimate problem with a product, our
>service, or just us in general,  call us and tell us (preferably before
>installation!),  we will pay for the call.  You'll get it off your chest
and
>we will all feel better.   Still reading R.C.?
>
>Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,
>Steven Kenny
>Brothers Automotive Products
>America's Leading Supplier of Cutlass/442 parts
>800-442-PART
>WWW.OLDSPARTS.COM
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:38:40 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: Value of my car.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

>I am not gonna be rude...  Just stating an idea...  Why would one care

>to know the "value" of their car.  To me, the value of the car is what

>you want it to be...  Value reflects the steel, and plastic, glass,

>rubber, and whatever else is in their...  It doesn't reflect time, or

>memories.  

...>

>Why worry about what it's worth...  If it's a blast to drive...  Drive

>it!!  <G>  If it ain't, you'll know the price REAL quick.

===================================================

I agree.  I spend more money on my car than it would bring if I sold it--but why
would I sell it if I care enough to take care of it?  I try to see myself as buying
it brand new.  With that perspective, I'm getting a great deal for the money I spend
fixing it up.  A brand new 1987 Toronado Troféo cost around $20-25,000 (I'm guessing).
 Mine will cost around $12-15,000, fully restored.  That's not bad for a "new" Olds.



Anthony Marstall

Pittsburg KS/ Topeka KS







Free web-based e-mail, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailcity.com

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:40:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Gail & Tom Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: test, don't read

test

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:32:14 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442

> > I am looking for any and all parts for a 1985 Olds 442, I would also
> > like to purchase a rear spoiler for my 442 from an 1983 hurst Olds. Any
> > information leading to a great parts source would be greatly appreciated


As far as the spoiler goes, there is a 442 fiberglass replica 
spoilers in the JC Whitney Catalog, could check that out. Do a search 
on JC Whitney and should come up with the homepage. Hope this helps.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:37:45 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: senator@itis.com

> I have a '78 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme W-19.  I'm not entirely sure what
> the W-19 means, because it came with a 260 c.i.d. engine.  Now it has what
> I am told is a 350, probably from 1977.  I am trying to ID the engine.  It
> came with single exhaust, but someone made it into a dual exhaust using the
> same exhaust manifolds.  They cut off and crimped the pipe that connects

If you are not sure of the size of the engine, one easy trick that 
used to be one older olds, don't know if it still applies with the 
newer ones, they would stamp the Engine Size behind the oil pour in, 
get a mirror, clean behind the filler, and look behind there, it 
should say 260, 350, or whatever it is. Hope it helps.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 15:53:32 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Mid '70s Cutlass/442 parts

> be a while though.  The mid 70s Cutlass/442 parts are JUST now arriving
> in somewhat larger capacity than they once were, as the popularity of
> these models increase.
> Mike Rothe

         Hey Mike, I'm just wondering if you know which suppliers are going
more heavily into them?  Who would you recommend I check out?  I've had the
dilemma you spoke of regarding the 80s cars that GM no longer carries the
parts, but I've found it hard to find aftermarket sources for my '76 Cutlass.
Perhaps because I'm up here in Canada??  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:05:10 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: 69 quarters

On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:28:52 -0000 "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
writes:


>Wow

         I agree

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:13:18 -0500
From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: non-perf W-options

Yeah my books list the W-30 option on the 80 442 as an Appearance and Handling package. I
guess you could make arguments for it being a performance option as the W-30 option
included the 350. You could only get the 350 by ordering the W-30 option on the Calais.
Supreme couldn't get the 442 option, thus no 350.

>=================
>Well, for a year or two there around 1980, "W30" had nothing to do with
>performance; 'twas an appearance [& handling?] package.


Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS  80 Olds 442 W-30
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4  75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:30:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Hosed

On Tuesday you might recall that the upper rad hose blew off the Delta. I 
put it back on very carefully, tightened it down, and refilled the 
coolant. Today I was waiting in line at a gas station car wash, had been 
there maybe 15 minutes with the motor idling, and the thing blew off again!

I was able to reattach it again right there and once I got home I 
refilled it with coolant -- again. But this is getting ridiculous. Anyone 
have an idea what it could be? Could the rad cap be bad, or could hose 
clamps back off with some heat/cool cycles? 

An aside; the car wash taught me that the only way I can stop the water
leaking into the interior will be to fabricate some sort of baffle for
inside the heater case. The design of the thing (or at least the way mine
currenly is) makes me think it's *got* to leak once water enters through
the cowl vent. Once water makes it to the floor of the heater box the only
place for it to go is into the floor heater outlet, which is where the
water comes from. I can see the interior floormats through the heater box
when looking from the engine side with the case removed and there's
nothing to stop water from dripping in, especially if the car is pointing
uphill. 

Sigh....

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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