
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, January 31 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1081



Re: LORIS Olds Drool Page
Re: Olds Drool Page
Rear End Question
unsubscribe (and thank you)
Re: Olds Drool Page
i.d.numbers
Re: Web page congrats!!
OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED! 
Re: Super Shops
Vista Cruiser Stuff
Tricarb 442 for sale
Re: Th-2004R ?
Re: It works now.
Re: Vista Cruiser Stuff
Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques
anyone familier with valve spring instalation
re bolt on center rims
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: 67' drop top 442
Re: Dual Exhaust on 1979 H/O
Olds In Action Magazine For Sale (01/31)
FYI: 1973 Oldsmobile Option Codes
Re: OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED!
Re: 65 F85 Street Machine???
convertible top questions
Convertible back, glass window
Olds Homecoming show in Lansing
Olds Silhouette available in Canada for 1998
Hand-me-down 1983 Olds Delta 88
Just purchased a 455
Convertible piston panel recovering
Re: NOS Vent Window Handle For Sale (8/8)
Drool page
Re: Front side power assembly wiring
Re: OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED!
[Fwd: EFI info]
Re: Olds In Action Magazine For Sale (01/31)
re: silkscreening
Re: Convertible piston panel recovering
1970 Cutalss for Salvage
Re: Just purchased a 455
Re: Just purchased a 455
RE: Web page congrats!!
Re: Convertible piston panel recovering
Re: LORIS Olds Drool Page
Re: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques
Re: re bolt on center rims
Re: Convertible piston panel recovering
Re: Just purchased a 455
FS: 1985 Cutlass Salon
Re: convertible top questions
Paint for air filter housing

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:24:28 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: LORIS Olds Drool Page

>I'm running Netscape Gold and the thunbnails on your Drool Page don't
>fuction. What's up with that?  I tried several times to reload the page
>with no luck.




As I told Mick, not sure what your problem is.  Check your browser settings
perhaps?????  The graphics are standard .jpg files in a viewable size, not
thumbnails.  I have checked the page using:

Netscape 3.01 Gold,  Netscape Navigator 4.04, and MS Explorer 4.0.   It
comes up fine for me.  I even called my neighbor and another friend of mine
and it comes up for both of them too.

Hope you figure out what's wrong!  8>(     Those Olds' look great!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:25:58 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Drool Page

>hmm. I can see the squares, but Where's the Olds??>


Mick,

not sure what your problem is.  Check your browser settings perhaps?????
The graphics are standard .jpg files in a viewable size, not thumbnails.  I
have checked the page using:

Netscape 3.01 Gold,  Netscape Navigator 4.04, and MS Explorer 4.0.   It
comes up fine for me.  I even called my neighbor and another friend of mine
and it comes up for both of them too.

Hope you figure out what's wrong!  8>(     Those Olds' look great!


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:34:56 -0400
From: jramsey@mail.utexas.edu (John Ramsey)
Subject: Rear End Question

Hey Folks,

        Yep, Super Shops is closing...The one here in Austin will remain
open for a while, still, but they're clearing out fast and furious.  I
picked up a Mallory Comp9000 ditributor the other day for $151.00!  The
difference was night and day...very nicE!

        I have a '69 Cutlass 'S' that I recently transferred a JM 20-22
cammed 455 into.  Ever since I've been increasingly dissatisfied with be
rear gearing. While it's pretty nice on the highway, in town it (along with
my stock stall TH-350) just aren't getting the job done as I'd like.  I've
currently got what I believe to be a 2.78:1 Type "O" setup.  I would prefer
to keep the housing itself, just because I really prefer the non C-Clip
style of rear-end.  

        I read in various places that I can't put anything more aggressive
than a 3.23 on that carrier.  That leads me to another question : Since I
want Posi anyway, can I just change out the carrier and go with something
around a 3.5?  Will all that fit in my current housing?  If yes, where can I
get Type "O" Posi units and gears?

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:51:20 EST
From: AARONLIFE@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe (and thank you)

thank you all for all your valuable help

i can't keep up with the e-mails right now, and can't work on my car, so i
would like to unsubscribe, however, i greatly appreciate everyone's generosity
and input as it made the job of saving my old olds much smoother

it's still in the body shop, the aftermarket taiwan quarter is on, and it's
being bondod to fit.  the left rear quarter itself was a gm aftermarket part,
i found the sticker on the inside of the panel!!  car has been hit before :)

thanks
aaron

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:56:32 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Drool Page

In a message dated 98-01-30 22:48:30 EST, you write:

<< Check out the newly added "Oldsmobile Drool Page" in my web site.  More to
 come soon!  BTW, all pictures are from last years "Homecoming" show in
 Lansing. >>

Ron
 I tried to access the page also and only got the boxes not pics shown.
Then it came back with error msg and had me locked up for a short. .....
Somethings not right.

Rgds,
R.Thomas

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:36:32 EST
From: Ridn88@aol.com
Subject: i.d.numbers

hey guys i need some help. got these numbers of the oil fill tube.of my 68 455
8375883.can anybody tell me what they mean? also my heads have the letter C
above the first bolt hole on each head.does this mean they are C heads and if
it does what are the specs on them. by the way the motor is out of a 68 delta
88 2dr in case you need to know for the information. any information will be
greatly appreciated.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:41:15 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Web page congrats!!

Wouldn't you know my subscription is up in Dec - sent off my renewal on
time - check still hasn't cleared and something tells me I'll miss this
issue!!!!!!  Although I did get a 'review' of what was to be printed.
Sheesh, my luck!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/oldsbbs/index.cgi

Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:52 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED! 

Ok, it seems the netscape browser had a problem with the graphic "file
names" I choose.  Why it worked on my PC remains a mystery.

Anyway, the BOTTOM LINE is that the "Oldsmobile Drool Page" is now working
thanks to the helpful expertise of JAR LYONS.

Thank you Jar!  Enjoy the sites everyone.  8>)    Olds Drool Page:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:47:40 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Super Shops

I'm hitting the HB one if its still open, I don't know of another locally
either!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/oldsbbs/index.cgi

Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:50:52 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Vista Cruiser Stuff

Please make a note - my friend & I are looking for a solid '72 Vista
Cruiser tailgate - although I'm sure any wagon would work ~ possibly from
'68-'72.  Should all be basically the same, what could change?  Tailights
are all separate from the tailgates on these beasties.

We've come across one locally but its pretty expensive.  


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/oldsbbs/index.cgi

Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:55:52 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Tricarb 442 for sale

Saw this ad today:

'66 Oldsmobile 442, 400 tripower, 4-speed, posi, solid, Cutlass chrome
rims, original spoked hubcaps, 39,000 miles, $4500 firm.  (810) 781-3953,
Shelby Township (Detroit area).

Not mine, don't know the people, just saw the ad.  I do, however, request a
ride as a finder's fee!

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:14:55 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Th-2004R ?

Miguel Morales wrote:

> I have an '84 H/O with the beefed up 2004R and there are ways to get
> around the lockup. If you want to disengage it and user overdrive you
> can unplug it. There is a ground sensor inside the tranny pan that
> completes the computer circuit at a certain line pressure while in
> overdrive 4th. You can unplug the lines going to the tranny near the
> firewall to avoid code settings. But another way to disconnect the
> lockup is to unplug the temperature sender to the computer, the one with
> the emmissions locking connector. This will set a code though.

I think there's an easier way.  Down by the brake pedal is a momentary
switch, which I believe is normally closed.  Either disconnect the wire from
that switch, or intercept the wire going from there to the computer with a
toggle switch to keep it from locking up.  To force a lockup, ground the
correct pin on the ALDL connector.  I don't remember which pin offhand, but
I can look it up if needed.

> BTW if that cable disconnects and always grounds inside the tranny you
> will lug the engine due to lock up at 20 MPH or as soon as the tranny
> shifts into 2nd, the lock up will feel like an extra shift to third and
> then you actually shift to third and finally overdrive. It's happened to
> me before and the car is a dog even with 3.73 gears.

Same hear, my lockup solenoid was going bad and wouldn't unlock when the
tranny was hot.

> have the choice of disconnecting the lock-up, but on the H/O with the
> higher stall converter there was still considerable slippage at 2000
> RPM.

Yeah, I can watch the tach on my H/O jump about 200rpm when the TCC
disengages.  Hold the speed steady with your right foot and tap on the brake
with the left and you can see it too.  After a few seconds it locks up
again.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:30:21 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: It works now.

>RC, you can continue putting little boxes up of Oldsmobiles, but it
>seems no one is able to see them.  Seems like there's no HREF in the
>html code.  Are you doing something different, or are we just outta
>luck??


Did the same thing I always do Mike but there was a problem for some reason.
Damn programs!  I can't wait untill their all compatible.  Life will be much
easier!

Anyway, try it now.  It should work with either browser.  (Explorer or
Netscape)    Considering all the graphics on that page, I think it comes up
rather quick.

Thanks for the feedback, enjoy!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:33:08 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser Stuff

>Please make a note - my friend & I are looking for a solid '72 Vista
>Cruiser tailgate - although I'm sure any wagon would work ~ possibly from
>'68-'72.

Good luck, they're hard to find.  It seems like a Vista Cruiser rusts the
worst in the tailgate.  I've seen very few good 'gates on any of the old
station wagons.  I know mine's shot. :(  It's got a lot of bondo and
patchwork in it.  

>  Should all be basically the same, what could change?  Tailights
>are all separate from the tailgates on these beasties.

The buick wagons look the same but I seem to remember the chevelle tailgates
looking different.  I think they have backup lights in them....Not sure
though.  If you find an extra one cheap and in good condition let me know.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:43:25 -0600
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques

Hello folks,

	I am looking for dashboard woodgrain appliques for my 1969 cutlass S. 
My interior is black.


					John

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:40:45 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: anyone familier with valve spring instalation

> I'm trying to put new valvesprings on my 455.  The installed height is
> supposed to be 1.45".  I'm thinking I compress the spring onto the head and
> measure it.  If its too big I remove the spring, put a shim under it and
> remeasure.  Repeat as necessary till all 16 are set.  Am I thinking correct
> here?  Anything I should know, or is it that straight forward?

Thanks,  Ken.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:58:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: re bolt on center rims

do i remember something like someone looking for bolt on center rims?
i have a pair of 14x7 bolt on centers, stainless trim pieces 5/wheel
there, but no centers

47rocket98

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:15:06 EST
From: Ponyeater@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subscribe olds

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:15:31 -0600
From: Larry Martino <lmmsr@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 67' drop top 442

> Patton wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
>          Is your uncle's 67 '442 rag top a 4 speed or an automatic ? If it is an
>  automatic (TH400) I would like to speak with you.....
> 
>                                          Tanks
>                                          The General
> 
 My uncle has a white/white exterior, blue interior, '67 442 conv. w/
 recently built 455 and automatic trans. Beautiful car.

  Lars
  1971 Culass conv.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:19:17 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust on 1979 H/O

Greg Pruett writes:
>>> >         Where may I find a Trans Crossmember that would have a dual
>hump for
>>> > dual exhaust on my (G Body????)  1979 H/O??  Does the Monty SS
>>> > crosmember have two humps?  Do I have to go aftermarket, or is there a
>>> > model that would have one stock I could transplant?
>
>Just a thought.  Has anyone tried taking a regular G-body crossmember and
>persuading it into a dual hump with a torch and 10lb sledge?  Think it'd
>work?
>
>Greg Pruett
>72 Vista Cruiser
>67 Cutlass Supreme
>80 Cutlass Calais

As a matter of fact, I am looking for a transmission crossmember for a '78
Cutlass.  My car has been converted to dual exhaust (straight back with one
muffler on each pipe).  It came with a 260 cid engine and single exhaust,
from what I can tell.  It now has a '68-'78? 350, and the exhaust manifolds
have been made into duals (someone cut, crimped, etc to make them dual).
However, whoever put the duals on was too lazy to find a new crossmember.
So they crimped the pipe to make it fit under the existing crossmember, and
ran it back with some rather small pipe to begin with.  Needless to say, it
doesn't sound very good, and probably has a considerable amount of
backpressure.  So I get to seach through the local junkyards this spring
until I find one.

Happy searching!!

Bob
'78 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:40:30 -0500
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Olds In Action Magazine For Sale (01/31)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

Oldsmobile In Action Magazine, volume 1.  A 56 page magazine from
Petersen Publishing with no advertising and only articles about
Oldsmobiles.  Many photographs, including six pages in full color.
Published in 1984, this magazine has a color Œ84 Hurst/Olds photograph
on the front cover.  Articles include Performance History, parts 1 and
2, ³America¹s Latest V8 - The DRCE², the small-block tech guide for the
260, 307, 330, 350 and 403 engines, and ³Exotic Rockets² which details
some of Oldsmobile¹s experimental engines from the preformance years.
Excellent condition.  $18.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.  (01/31/98)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

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|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:42:45 -0500
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: FYI: 1973 Oldsmobile Option Codes

Item:  1973 Oldsmobile Optional Equipment Codes
Source:  1975 Oldsmobile Chassis and Body Parts Catalog - effective
April, 1975

Code  Description 
AC3	Electric 6-way Seat
AD3	Roof Ventilator
AG1	Electric 6-way Seat (60/40 - Driver¹s Side)
AG2	Electric 6-way Seat (60/40 - Passenger¹s Side)
AK1	Deluxe Seat Belts
AM6	Electric Seat Assembly with Center Arm Rest (60/40)
AN7	Swivel Bucket Seats
AR9	Reclining Bucket Seats
AU3	Electric Door Locks
AU5	Electric Door and Seat Back Locks
A01	Tinted Window Glass
A02	Tinted Windshield Glass
A31	Electric Side Windows
A39	Deluxe Seat Belts - Front and Rear
A42	Electric 6-way Bench Seat
A51	Strato Bucket Seats
A52	Conventional Bench Seat
A65	Notch Back Bench Seat
A90	Electric Trunk Lid Latch
A96	Luggage Compartment Lock
BT1	Police Apprehender - Highway Patrol
B30	Floor Carpeting - Front and Rear
B32	Front Floor Mats
B33	Rear Floor Mats
B36	Luggage Compartment Mat
B39	Carpeted Load Floor
B80	Exterior Drip Scalp Mouldings
B83	Rocker Panel Mouldings
B84	Exterior Body Side and Fender Mouldings
B90	Chrome Door Window Frames
B93	Door Edge Guard Mouldings
C08	Roof Top Covering
C09	Roof Top Covering - Toronado
C26	Power Operated HideawayTailgate
C49	Electric Rear Window Defogger
C50	Rear Window Defogger
C51	Air Deflector Package
C60	Manual Air Conditioning
C61	Air Conditioning - Automatic Control
C90	Front Door Courtesy Lights
C95	Dome and Reading Lamp Assembly
DE8	Front Compartment Mini Floor Console
D24	Litter Container
D33	Remote Control Outside Mirror - Driver¹s Side
D35	Outside Rearview Mirrors - Sports
D55	Sports Console
D64	Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirror
D99	Two Tone Paint
FE2	442 Suspension Package
FG2	Firm Ride Shock Absorbers - Front and Rear
F41	Heavy Duty Suspension - Front and Rear
G66	Superlift Rear Shock Absorbers
G80	Anit-Spin Axle
G90	Performance Axle - 3.08
G91	Performance Axle - 3.23
G92	Performance Axle - 3.42
G93	Plains Axle - 2.73
G94	Performance Axle - 2.93
JL2	Power Brakes - Disk Front
JL9	True-Track Braking
J50	Power Brakes
J55	Heavy Duty Power Front Disk Brakes
K05	Engine Block Heater
K30	Cruise Control
K86	Unit Ignition System
L22	250 CID L6 - 1 Bbl (X-Body)
L32	350 CID V8 - 2 Bbl (A-Body)
L33	350 CID V8 - 2 Bbl (B-Body)
L34	350 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A and X-Body)
L35	350 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (B-Body)
L74	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (B and C-Body)
L75	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A-Body)
L77	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A-Body)
L78	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (Toronado)
M11	Floor Shift (X-Body)
M15	3-speed Manual Transmission - Column Shift
M20	Wide Ratio 4 speed Manual Transmission - Floor Shift
M38	Turbo HydraMatic 350 Transmission
M40	Turbo HydraMatic 400/425 Transmission
NB2	Exhaust Emission System - California Only
N10	Dual Exhaust System
N33	Tilt-Away Steering Wheel
N34	Custom Sport Steering Wheel
N37	Tilt and Travel Steering Wheel
N47	Variable Ratio Power Steering
N65	Space Saver Spare Wheel and Tire
N66	Super Stock II Custom Sport Wheels
N67	Super Stock IV Custom Sport Wheels
N95	Simulated Wire Wheel Discs
N99	Heavy Duty Wheels
PK1	G78x14 Fiberglass Blackwall Tires
PK2	G78x14 Whitewall Tires
PK5	G70x14 Wide Oval Fiberglass Tires with Raised White Letters
PM9	H78x14 Fiberlass Blackwall Tires
P01	Wheel Discs - 14 inch
P03	Deluxe Wheel Discs
PR7	H78x14 Fiberglass Whitewall Tires
PS3	J78x15 Steel Belted Bias Ply Triple Stripe Whitewall Tires
PV5	H78x15 Blackwall Tires
PV6	H78x16 Whitewall Tires
PX5	F78x14 Fiberglass Blackwall Tires
PX6	F78x14 Fiberglass Whitewall Tires
P85	GR70x15 Steel Belted Radial Whitewall Tires
QB5	J78x15 Whitewall Tires (Toronado)
QB9	J78x15 Whitewall Tires
QC5	J78x15 Blackwall Tires
QED	E78x14 Blackwall Tires
QEE	E78x14 Bias Ply White Stripe Tires
QEH	E78x14 Belted Bias Ply White Stripe Tires
Q14	L78x15 Belted Bias Ply White Stripe Tires
Q15	L78x15 Blackwall Tires
T81	Headlamp Off Delay Control
T87	Cornering Lamps
UB7	Speedometer Package (Trip Odometer and Speed Warning)
UH1	Electronic Lamp Monitoring System
UM1	AM Pushbutton / Stereo Tape Player Radio
UM2	AM-FM Stereo Radio / Tape Player
U05	Dual Horns
U21	Rallye Pac Instrument Cluster
U35	Electric Clock
U58	AM-FM Stereo Radio
U63	AM Pushbutton Radio
U69	AM-FM Mono Radio
U75	Power Antenna - Front Fender
U80	Rear Seat Speaker
U89	Trailer Wiring Harness
U94	Trailer Wiring Harness
VE5	Bumper Rub Strips - Front and Rear
V01	Heavy Duty Radiator
V1A	Front Bumper Guards - With Front and Rear Bumper Impact Strips
V1M	Ride and Handling Package - Salon
V36	Protective Bumper Guards
V55	Luggage Carrier
V56	Rear Luggage Locker Lock and Trim
WM4	Maintenance Free Battery
W29	4-4-2 Appearance and Handling Package
W45	Hurst/Olds
Y60	Convenience Group
Y65	Rear Facing Third Seat Assembly
Y67	Low Washer Fluid and Fuel Indicator Package
Y69	Brougham Interior Trim
Y70	Body Side Paint Stripe
Y71	Outside Temperature Indicator
Y72	Heavy Duty Engine Cooling and Generator Package
Y73	Delta 88 Decor Package
Y74	Rocker Panel and Wheel Opening Mouldings
Y75	Delta 88 Value Package
Y78	Cutlass Salon Option
Y79	Oldsmobile Regency Package

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|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:49:04 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED!

RC Hellebuyck wrote:
> 
> Ok, it seems the netscape browser had a problem with the graphic "file
> names" I choose.  Why it worked on my PC remains a mystery.

Works now RC.  Cool pics!  Was that MY '85 442 in there?  Looks just
like it...no, I guess not, I couldn't go... :(

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:00:33 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 65 F85 Street Machine???

It was a
> stick-on type emblem.  I think they also had one called "Hot Rod".

Yeah, I'd seen the "Hot Rod" ones.  That's what originally made me
suspicious.  I looked at the car last night, 70's style pinstriping
everywhere, along with those emblems (Once had them on fenders, but now
gone...) It's a fake.  No doubt in my mind.  Thanks for the reply,
though.  For a moment, I thought we might have seen something new...

 


- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
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		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:12:07 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: convertible top questions

I'm having a new convertible top put on including:  new cables, tack strips,
pads and hoses.

My questions;

If the lines are still transparent and flexible, should I keep them or put
new ones on?

I noticed that the "push rod" of both hydraulic pistons are slightly curved.
Is this normal?

Thanks in advance for any information!  8>)

P.S.  The bad news is no build sheet was found under the back seats or
carpeting.  But I'll keep looking!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:16:16 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Convertible back, glass window

I'm having a new top put on my car.  If anyone can use my old glass back
window, it yours for shipping costs.  The glass is stock, (tinted) and is in
perfect shape.  The material is black in color.

I just hate throwing away perfectly good stuff!  If interested let me know
ASAP!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:22:00 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Olds Homecoming show in Lansing

Someone ask about the date for this summers Olds Homecoming show in Lansing.
(Sorry, deleted that post)


Here's the info as listed on the OCA web site.  See you there!

June 20 - HOMECOMING 98 (OCA Regional Meet)
Car show, swap meet and arts and crafts Ballot judging, special awards,
goodie bags, dash plaques, auction. 9am-4pm. Advance Registration: $5/per
car. At gate: $10/per car. Deadline June 1, 1998 US funds only. Location:
Oldsmobile Administration Building, 920 Townsend, Lansing, MI. Exit #6 off
496. Send registration and check to: Olds Homecoming 98, Ken Nicholas, 512
W. Broad St., Eaton Rapids, MI 48827. Ph:(517) 663-2397 e-mail:
mnicholas@voyager.net

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:08:23 -0800
From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Subject: Olds Silhouette available in Canada for 1998

Saw an Olds Silhouette minivan still in its shipping covers at a Vancouver
dealership on Jan 25th. It was not available in Canada in the "dustbuster
model". Or in the new style in 1997 as far as I know.


Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC

1976 Cutlass S One Owner
1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:10:13 -0800
From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Subject: Hand-me-down 1983 Olds Delta 88

I replaced my 1983 Olds 88 this fall with a new GMC truck. Could not see
myself in a FWD. I was looking at spending a lot of time and $ to keep it
going and to meet Vancouver aircare standards.

- -no dash lights
- -bad tires
- -warped front rotors
- -cat converter gone
- -broken power seat
- -air conditioner thermostat not working
- -sucks gas (turned out to be a vaccuum prob that threw out timing badly
- -need shocks

Not worth my time. But the 307 was like new. Just needed some TLC.

I bought it from my dad. So now I gave it to my brother who is a mechanic
and worked on these cars for years. No pollution standards in the BC
interior where he lives. With some time I'm sure he'll make it a nice car
again. Fixed the fuel problem right away. I used to get great gas milage.
The 307 was still like new.

Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC

1976 Cutlass S One Owner
1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:10:33 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Just purchased a 455

Well, today I joined the big leagues of serious horsepower.  I purchased a
1972 Toro 455 from Everett Horton.  I can't wait to drop this beast in my
'85 Cutlass!!

I've been looking through my '85 Chasis manual as well as my Cutlass for
similarities but I'm left with a few questions, since I'm not very familiar
with the BB Olds.  I'm thinking of buying a chasis manual for the 72 motor,
but until I do that I was hoping I could fire out some questions to the
list.

#1. There is a rubber mount toward the front of this engine by the oil pan.
 I'm assuming this is a Toro specific mount and I can toss it for my
application. Am I correct?

#2.  Looking at the front of the engine, to the left and down from the oil
fill tube there is a canister type thing with 2 rubber hoses and one metal
tube coming off it.  I can't seem to find a diagram of the similar item on
my 307 in my chasis manual.  Is this the fuel pump?

#3.  In front of the distributer there are two rubber hoses coming off the
manifold. Both have white writing on them, one says: 1/4 id fuel vapor
other says : Gas - LI
What are these for?  There's nothing similar on my 307.

#4.  Can I use the starter from my 307 on the 455?

Finally #5.  The coolant drain bolts in the block, are they to the side of
and below the freeze plugs?  I can't seem to find this info in my service
manual.

Sorry for the length of this post and for some of the "basic knowledge"
questions.  I don't have much experience with actual engine mechanics, so
I'm trying to pick up as much info as I can.  Thanks for all the help on
this one.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:19:20 -0700
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: Convertible piston panel recovering

Hi Gang,

Well, I'm making progess on the interior of my 1968 442 convertible.  I
have the buckets recovered, and have the rear seat ready for covering.  I
was working on the rear arm rest panels and the rear piston panels this
weekend, and I need some help.

The rear arm rest panels and piston panels are sheet metal pieces covered
with a 1/8" thick fiberous material with the vinyl covering going over
that.  These piece had gotten wet at some time in their lives (image
that!), and the fiberous material disintegrated as I removed the vinyl
covering.

Does anyone know what that fiberous material is and where I can get more?
It needs to be fairly rigid so the indentations in the panels do not show
through the vinyl covering.  It also needs to be flexible enough that it
can be bent around the corners of the arm rest panels.  I noticed that the
same material is glued to the inside of the roof on my 1968 442 hardtop.

Thanks for any help.

Bob
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 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:00:14 -0600
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: Re: NOS Vent Window Handle For Sale (8/8)

Hi Tom,

	Do you still have that handle for sale?

				John



Thomas G. Stoner wrote:
> 
> I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:
> 
> NOS and in the box front door vent window handle.  Part number 4305053,
> which fits the lefthand side on 1961 to 1965 F-85 and 1966-1967  3369,
> 3469, 3569, 3669, 3869, and VistaCruiser.  $7.00, including shipping to
> any address in North America.  (8/8/97)
> 
> Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
> this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
> you.
> 
>           ===
> +======= | | | =======================+
> |        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
> |        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
> |        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
> |         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
> +=====================================+

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:12:48 -0500 (EST)
From: ted rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: Drool page

Had no trouble getting the pictures to come up, in fact I printed the whole
section and will sit and admire them for awhile.This is one of the best
links on oldsmobile I have found in a while plus other things to check on
too, has some nice pictures of other stuff.
Ted Rollins
63 chevy truck
66 olds cutlass
72 olds cutlass
94 olds cutlass

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:36:51 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Front side power assembly wiring

Merlina Tate wrote:
> 
> We have a '54 Olds 88, 4 door.  We are reinstalling the front seat and
> power seat assembly and wiring harness.

Wow,  a power seat in an 88 sedan.  That's a pretty odd option!

> Can anyone help with a wiring diagram. We are having trouble seeing
> which is the hot wire.  From the looks of it, the white wire is the only
> possiblility, but Jim thinks the white and black wires are usually
> ground wires.

The green wire coming off the ACC terminal on the ignition switch should
plug into the pig tail on the auxiliary fuse block located on the very
bottom of the fuse block.  The other end of the pig tail, also green,
plugs into the ACC slot on the regular fuse block (to the right of the
RADIO fuse slot).  The pig tail in on the right of the aux fuse block. 
On the left of the fuse block is a white wire that would run to your
switch.  The switch should have two wires, blue and green.  The switch
completes the circuit for fore and aft movement on the seat.  I don't
know what color wire is fore and which is aft.  One circuit is grounded
at the solenoid valve, the other is grounded at the hydraulic pump.
 
> Is there any secret as to how to get the mechanism in the correct
> position for installation.  Right now the spring is in the extended
> position, but we have a picture of when the seat was taken out that
> shows the spring in a contracted position.

To move the seat in one direction, the pump fills the cylinder(s) with
fluid, which overcomes the strength of the springs.  To move the seat in
the other direction, a valve let the fluid escape the cylinder(s) and
the springs pull the seat in that direction.  Sounds like you've got to
fill the cylinder(s) to compress the springs again.

> We have attached the power mechanisms to the seat.  Plan to set the seat
> in and then attach them to the floor.  Is that the proper procedure?

Sounds like a winner to me.  That's how I've always worked on my power
seats.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:59:46 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: OLDS "Drool Page" FIXED!

Hey, isn't that Tom Lentz's 84 in there?  Page looks great.  I've got
some pics to dig up that'd look awesome in there, too, if ya want.  Some
are buried in my homepage beyond a couple of lost links, and some have
yet to be scanned.  I'll do some digging...


- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:01:03 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: [Fwd: EFI info]

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From: Fuel Injection Specialties <fuelinjection@fuelinjection.com>
Subject: Re: EFI info
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:29:35 -0600
Message-ID: <19980131232932750.AAB89@LOCALNAME>

At 12:14 PM 1/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Do you supply any TPI systems for Olds?  Everyone in the world has
>nearly everything for chevrolet (I guess they ~need~ it worst!) but very
>few go into the real muscle motors of Buick, Olds, or Pontiac.  Any
>thoughts or suggestions?  I'm on the internet Oldsmobile mailing list,
>and I'm sure there's a few on there that would actually shell out the
>$$$ for a TPI-Olds setup.  I'd be interested in the future for my next
>buildup, as well.  At the moment, it's more of a curiosity issue. 
>Thanks...
>-- 
>               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
>For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
>		        Sidney Montana
>	The Heartbeat of America???  ~That's~ in my mirror!
>
Custom systems can be built using a Olds al intake, weld in bosses, mount
fuel rails etc..
We have all the component parts for building same.

Let us know.

Regards

Don S


Fuel Injection Specialties
http: www.fuelinjection.com
Tel: 1-210-654-0774
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:04:38 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds In Action Magazine For Sale (01/31)

> 
> I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:> Oldsmobile In Action Magazine, volume 1.

Ah, yes.  The Olds Bible.  (As I've always referred to it)  
Great mag.  Had most of it scanned in on my old web page.  Petersen
Publishing got a little pi**ed about that (and all the other Olds/Buick
articles I'd scanned in - some may remember those days...)  They
politely threatened, uh, I mean, asked me to remove those pages
immediately.  #$@!$#...  Oh well, my page was getting too many hits
anyways ;)

               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:05:00 -0600
From: Kurt Bonifay <kbonifay@bellsouth.net>
Subject: re: silkscreening

Loris,

The piece I am talking about is the outer-ring of the tachometer
assembly.  It is flat black with small white dashes around the perimeter
with the word "hundreds" stamped into it.  The numbers themselves are on
the inner-face, which is a seperate piece, along with the clock.  It is
also painted light blue on the back.  I tried to paint the marks with
different types of white paints but couldn't get the correct look.  I
believe what you may be talking about is the chrome bezel?  I appreciate
your interest.

Rhett '68 442 conv

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:17:08 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible piston panel recovering

> Does anyone know what that fiberous material is and where I can get more?

Good Lord, Bob, I haven't looked at a convertible apart for eons, but it
is like a woven fiber mat, I do believe.  Just rip one out of the
headliner from a chevelle hartop!! They don't rate it anyway!! :) 
Seriously, I'm not sure about this, but you MAY look into getting hold
of Year One or some other vendor that sells the rear package tray fiber
insert pad and see if that's the same stuff.  Another option is to
contact an auto upholstery shop about it.  They've proven helpful to me
in the past.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:20:36 +0000
From: tcjmiami@ix.netcom.com
Subject: 1970 Cutalss for Salvage

My 1970 Cutlass Convertible has been totaled.

I live in Miami Fl and would like to see the remains go to someone 
who needs the parts.

My insurance company is going to give me a quotation for the car and 
I assume that I will be given the option to buy it back.

The Car was in near perfect Condition (Apprised at $10,000) before 
the wreck.

I anyone is interested in this car please e-mail me.

The impound lot wants about $300 and the additional fees from the 
insurance company etc will also be on top of that.

Parts:
White Top SIx months Old
Front Seats Recovered 6 months ago.
Rear Seats original
New Carpets 6 months ago.
350 4 barrel (100k miles)
Turbo 350 Trans.
Front end Real Bad
No rust on any panels
Top works 
Four sport wheels


Tom Johnson
1970 Cutlass S Convertible

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:26:25 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Just purchased a 455

Well, today I joined the big leagues of serious horsepower.  I
purchased a
> 1972 Toro 455 from Everett Horton.  I can't wait to drop this beast in my
> '85 Cutlass!!

Congrats.  ('bout time!  :)

> #1. There is a rubber mount toward the front of this engine by the oil pan.
>  I'm assuming this is a Toro specific mount and I can toss it for my
> application. Am I correct?

100% Correct, (unless you want to weld in another crossmember or tranny
to bolt it to ;)

> #2.  Looking at the front of the engine, to the left and down from the oil
> fill tube there is a canister type thing with 2 rubber hoses and one metal
> tube coming off it.  I can't seem to find a diagram of the similar item on
> my 307 in my chasis manual.  Is this the fuel pump?

Yeah, that metal tube connects to a third hose.  Throw it, it's
~probably~ junk if it's been sitting.  Your small block pump will
replace it perfectly, as will an aftermarket one.  Get the one to match
your car, ~not~ the engine.  Acutally, use the stock one to compare, and
then get one for the 455.  The difference is in the amount of hoses and
tubes coming off of it.  Those all varied between year and model, etc.


> #3.  In front of the distributer there are two rubber hoses coming off the
> manifold. Both have white writing on them, one says: 1/4 id fuel vapor
> other says : Gas - LI
> What are these for?  There's nothing similar on my 307.

Here's where different schools of thought come in.  Some will say to
dump ~everything~ in the lines of vacuum and electronics and start with
what you need first, and then add on from there.  (I'm one of those ;) 
You may want to retain all of the vac. & elect's from you 307 to retain
the computer, but we're talking $$$ to recalibrate the PROM, and modify
that E4ME QJet to flow anything like you'd want on a big motor.  I
finally gave up on that route, and went with the first.  Much cleaner,
too.  Those hoses are ~probably~ PCV and Brake Booster.  1/4 ID that may
be kinda small I guess.  I could be wrong.  This is where you go back to
the "what you need" part.

 
> #4.  Can I use the starter from my 307 on the 455?

You ~can~ if you want to.  Odds are good the 455 would be better, though
(If it's there and in serviceable condition) simply because the 455 is
so much more motor to turn.  Not sure on that, the 307 may have just as
strong of a starter.  Either way, they should interchange just fine.  As
will the solenoids.
 
> Finally #5.  The coolant drain bolts in the block, are they to the side of
> and below the freeze plugs?  I can't seem to find this info in my service
> manual.
 
Yeah, seems to me they were towards the middle of the block, right near
the oil pan.  (Think they were 9/16)  In that region, you've got a three
tapped holes for the motor mounts (And power steering support, on the
307) and then just past that (and up a little???  It's been a while...)
you'd find the drain bolt.  307 should be about the same there.

A reminder, headers are spendy and limit turning radius, but those who
run them seem to really apppreciate the sacrifice.  FWIW 

Also, you'll have a fight with the air conditioner.  The newer R4
compressor (that the 85 has) was never offered on a big block. 
Therefore, the bracket connecting it to the head and the water pump will
not ~stretch~ far enough, since the head is now farther away from the
water pump.  I did some bracket swapping and got mine stable, but that's
about it.  Some quick cutting and welding should make the orig. bracket
work just fine, though.  You'll see what I mean when you get there.  The
older A6 compressor will bolt up correctly to either engine, so you can
retain that from the Toro if you want.  However, you'll have to evac.
the A/C system before changing it, and recharge it when done, all to be
able to use a compressor that weighs, uh, what, 7000 pounds?  I never
liked that idea myself.  It'll fit ok, but...  If I'm ~adding~ weight
under the hood, it ~damn~ well better do something good for me!  (And I
don't think they performed ~any~ better than the R4's ;)--FWIW

> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
Is ~this~ the one getting the W-30 hood?????  I ~definately~ want to see
pictures of ~that~!!!

               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:28:29 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Just purchased a 455

> #1. There is a rubber mount toward the front of this engine by the oil pan.
>  I'm assuming this is a Toro specific mount and I can toss it for my
> application. Am I correct?

You won't need this.  The 455 will bolt up the same as the 307 in your
'85.  What's really cool, is that all your '85 front engine accessory
brackets SHOULD bolt on the 455 also. BUT, there was someone else on
this list that has performed this very operation, and exhaust setup may
prove a problem with the 455.  Nothing that can't be solved, but in
essence, the 455 is WIDER across the engine bay, so the exhaust ports
hang out more toward the frame rails.  I personally have never performed
this operation, but MOST things will interchange, but some will be a
slight challenge.  Check Bryceman's FAQ for good information on the
455.  Good place to start, anyway.
> 
> #2.  Looking at the front of the engine, to the left and down from the oil
> fill tube there is a canister type thing with 2 rubber hoses and one metal
> tube coming off it.  I can't seem to find a diagram of the similar item on
> my 307 in my chasis manual.  Is this the fuel pump?

Yes, sounds like it.
 
> #3.  In front of the distributer there are two rubber hoses coming off the
> manifold. Both have white writing on them, one says: 1/4 id fuel vapor
> other says : Gas - LI
> What are these for?  There's nothing similar on my 307.


Normally, these are for vacuum operated accessories.  Figure out what
needs vacuum from your '85, and use the vacuum ports as needed.  If you
have extra, no worry, cap them with rubber caps (found at just about any
auto parts store)  If not enough, use the plastic "T's" to make more
ports.
> 
> #4.  Can I use the starter from my 307 on the 455?

Yes, it will physically fit, and may work fine, but the 455 takes a bit
more grunt to turn over than the 307, and it might not last.
 
> Finally #5.  The coolant drain bolts in the block, are they to the side of
> and below the freeze plugs?  I can't seem to find this info in my service
> manual.

They should be in the same location as your 307's.


Hope this clouded, er, cleared some items up.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:45:52 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Web page congrats!!

Guys & Gals
GUESS WHAT, I might not contribute much to the group, but I've learned
alot.  Who knows, your site might be next on the OCA WebGuy's Hit List
:-)

Seriously, if you've got a site you're proud of, drop me a line,
especially OCA members. As you can tell, I don't critique, just give the
highlights & let the surfer's find the gems.  MY PERSONAL WEB SITE
DOESN'T EVEN EXIST YET! It's all OCA.

Anyhow, I just posted some updates to the OCA Web Page 1/31/98 for Feb,
just click on "What's New".  The address is:
http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

Look out, I'm watching and might even download a cookie, if I ever
figure out how.  Still using 3.2 HTML with Windows 95 WordPad, talk
about High Tech ;-}

====================================================
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:23:26 -0800
>From: Chris & Robin <cya442@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Web page congrats!!
>Congrats to Lisa on her Web Page!  It was featured in this months JWO!!  I didn't
>know that they were paying attention to the Web.  I guess I had better get off my
>butt and finish my Olds Page!
>- --
>Chris Miller
>'68 442
>Tustin, CA
>mailto:cya442@mindspring.com
====================================================
 ---  Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
| | | 1987 442 W-42
| | | 1994 Eighty-Eight LSS
|/|\| Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  e-mail: brad442@erols.com
OCC Home Page: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Home Page: http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:53:36 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible piston panel recovering

Robert J. Lavey wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> Well, I'm making progess on the interior of my 1968 442 convertible.
> I
> have the buckets recovered, and have the rear seat ready for
> covering.  I
> was working on the rear arm rest panels and the rear piston panels
> this
> weekend, and I need some help.
>
> The rear arm rest panels and piston panels are sheet metal pieces
> covered
> with a 1/8" thick fiberous material with the vinyl covering going over
>
> that.  These piece had gotten wet at some time in their lives (image
> that!), and the fiberous material disintegrated as I removed the vinyl
>
> covering.
>
> Does anyone know what that fiberous material is and where I can get
> more?
> It needs to be fairly rigid so the indentations in the panels do not
> show
> through the vinyl covering.  It also needs to be flexible enough that
> it
> can be bent around the corners of the arm rest panels.  I noticed that
> the
> same material is glued to the inside of the roof on my 1968 442
> hardtop.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Bob
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Robert J. Lavey                         mailto://rjlavey@rmci.net
>  13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
>  Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

   bob..I have done 2 resto's on cutlass convertibles now...both have
had to these panels redone....believe me when i say....plain ol foam
from the upholstery shop will cover those indentations just fine...in
fact both of the armrest bases I have used had patches installed where
some brain surgeon hacked them up putting speakers in them...and the
foam even hid the patches contained under them...but if you really want
some pristine pieces I have all 4 pieces from a 68 convertible.....I'll
sell you for $10 a piece or $40 for the whole shootin match....I have
already removed all the covers from them and the material is in mint
condition.........I even went a head and sandblasted and painted them
with rustolem paint...and the armest bases have never had speakers cut
in them....let me know if you're interested...I'll send them COD if that
suits ya...Hoagie


1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 hardtop coupe
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:03:55 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LORIS Olds Drool Page

RC:

They are working fine now, but I didn't change any settings.  No matter,
the pictures are great!!

By the way, whose red 1968 Cutlass convertible is in the 2nd column,
first row?  Really nice.

- -Loris

RC Hellebuyck wrote:
> 
> >I'm running Netscape Gold and the thunbnails on your Drool Page don't
> >fuction. What's up with that?  I tried several times to reload the page
> >with no luck.
> 
> As I told Mick, not sure what your problem is.  Check your browser settings
> perhaps?????

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:06:46 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques

John;

Any of the resto catalogues should have them, i.e. Brothers, Fusicks,
Year One, USA Parts, etc.

- -Loris

John Foster wrote:
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
>         I am looking for dashboard woodgrain appliques for my 1969 cutlass S.
> My interior is black.
> 
>                                         John

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:09:49 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: re bolt on center rims

A related question:  I recall my 1979 Cutlass having 15 inch wheels with
the center bolt on caps.  Were they not offered around that year, or am
I mistaken?

Jack Karamanos wrote:
> 
> do i remember something like someone looking for bolt on center rims?
> i have a pair of 14x7 bolt on centers, stainless trim pieces 5/wheel
> there, but no centers
> 
> 47rocket98

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:14:05 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible piston panel recovering

Robert:

These might be offered by one of the resto catalogues; Brothers,
Fusicks, Year One, USA Parts etc.

- -Loris

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang,
> 
> Well, I'm making progess on the interior of my 1968 442 convertible.  I
> have the buckets recovered, and have the rear seat ready for covering.  I
> was working on the rear arm rest panels and the rear piston panels this
> weekend, and I need some help.
> 
> The rear arm rest panels and piston panels are sheet metal pieces covered
> with a 1/8" thick fiberous material with the vinyl covering going over
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:06:51 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Just purchased a 455

At 08:28 PM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote:
        
        Here's some other things you'll have to take into consideration.

1.) You MUST swap the oil filter adapter from your 307 to the 455. The Toro
engines used a funny forward angle one. 

2.) You will have to use the starter from the 307 or purchase a rebuilt one
for a 455 A-body. The Toros use a passenger side starter assm. The
flexplates are the same. 

3.) The Toro engines use a sunken intake manifold that flows like crap, but
allows more hood clearance.

4.) You may have to swap the vavle covers. The early Toros had the PCV and
breather holes mounted towards the outer area of the valve cover and not in
the center. This may have changed by 72.

5.) Use the 307 motor mounts for that year car. The Toros may be different.
You'll want new ones anyway with the bigger engine.

6.) Install the water pump and pulley assm from the 307 to make sure all of
them align. There are many variations of pulleys and water pumps.

7.) The good news is you have a extra quart of oil in a Toro engine. The
pan is bigger. You may have a slight interference with the engine saddle
near the Passenger side motor mount.

Hope all this helps.

Jim Chermack
 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:12:42 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: FS: 1985 Cutlass Salon

Guys, I got this from a non-member.  His e-mail address is MRPowers@erols.com

Details are:
 
1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon
307 Olds V8
T-Tops
Chrome Rally Wheels
Dual Exhaust
Gauges
    Tachometer
    Speedo
    Oil
    Fuel
    Volts
    Temp
 
151K miles (changed oil every 3-5K miles so the engine is in great shape)
$1,500

Mike also sent me a pic of his car, so I'm sure he'd be happy to send one to anyone who's
interested.

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|	__    ________						|
|	\ \  / __  __/	Jason Adcock				|
|	 \ \/ / / /	CS Major, Virginia Tech			|
|	  \  / / /	mailto:jadcock@vt.edu			|
|	   \/ /_/	http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/		|
|								|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:15:47 +0000
From: "M. Slocum" <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: convertible top questions

The top on my 72 is in bad shape, when replacing the top can I reuse the glass
back window?
Should I have a spare "just in case"( my  girls are 1 and 5 yrs old and they
LOVE to throw!)
What's a reasonable price to replace the canvas and how do I know if I should
replace more/everything?

Any help would be great!

Mike Slocum
72 cutlass cnvrt

RC Hellebuyck wrote:

> I'm having a new convertible top put on including:  new cables, tack strips,
> pads and hoses.
>
> My questions;
>
> If the lines are still transparent and flexible, should I keep them or put
> new ones on?
>
> I noticed that the "push rod" of both hydraulic pistons are slightly curved.
> Is this normal?
>
> Thanks in advance for any information!  8>)
>
> P.S.  The bad news is no build sheet was found under the back seats or
> carpeting.  But I'll keep looking!
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
> 1995 Achieva S
>
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:19:08 EST
From: BradRoss79@aol.com
Subject: Paint for air filter housing

I have been wanting to repaint the air filter housing on my 71 Delta 88.
I was wondering if any of you can reccomend a good paint that gives that
"factory" 
appearance, because I want it to look original.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Brad Ross 
Swartz Creek,  MI
71 Delta 88 Custom
71 Delta 88 Royale
BradRoss79@aol.com

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