
oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, December 30 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1033



Re: UNBOUNCE: Trans. Replace or Rebuild?
Re: Weird Plug Symptoms (No Q's this time!)
Re: Shift kit installation
Re: Matchbox Hot Wheels
403 vs 455
Diff noises
Re: 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any time
Re: Weird Plug Symptoms (No Q's this time!)
plug change record
Re: '80 Cutlass Supreme
Re: 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any time
Re: Info needed
RESCUE '69 442/Cutlass for $500? in Georgia
Re: Aaron's 400/455
Plug-swapping competitions (was Re: weird plug symptoms)
Re: Aaron's 400/455
OldsmoChristmas
ALL-PARTS
RE: This mo.'s JWO
1/2 Price Sale
Re: Back!
Re: Headlight Knob, B/C bodies
Re: OldsmoChristmas
Ford man/Was Headlight Knob, B/C bodies
Re: Valve seals and Spring Compressor 350 CID
For Sale...
OldsmoChristmas, Oldsmosnow, etc...
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
hello
Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts
...no subject...
Re: 400/455 diffs
1985 Calais Indy 500 Pace Car
1998 OCA Nats - Info Coming to OCA Web Site!
Re: Back!
Some Parts For Sale
Re: Leaded Fuel
FAQ and "wonderbar" on web pages
WAs -Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!- NOW- Shifter cable is melted!!!
UNBOUNCE: OldsmoChristmas, Oldsmosnow, etc...

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:48:28 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Trans. Replace or Rebuild?

Hey, I missed the beginning of this thread....but if you have an Olds (or 
Buick or Pontiac, for that matter) engine in this car, you're gonna have a 
heckuva time getting a Chevy-bolt-patterned transmission to "bolt in".  
It'll fit the crossmember just fine, it's just that pesky engine to 
transmission connection you'd have to live without! ;-)



>Most junkyards would sell you a used GM TH350 transmission for around
>$150.  If a TH350 would bolt up to your 350, you should look into
>that.  Also, overdrive transmissions from late 80's to early 90's
>Camaro's and Firebirds will bolt on wherever a TH350 will.  They'll be
>much pricier though.
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>
>---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From:	Tom Starkey <tstarkey@pop.dnvr.uswest.net>
>> Subject: Trans. Replace or Rebuild?
>> 
>> Hope all had a good start to the holiday season!
>> 
>> I've got a 68 Cutlass Supreme (350, 4 barrel) with a 2 speed automatic
>> transmission, I don't know any more about it than that. This thing
>leaks
>> transmission fluid like crazy, I've replaced the pan gasket and didn't
>> even slow it down. Other than leaking fluid, it seems to work alright.
>> 
>> I don't want a race car, just a daily driver that sounds nice and
>could
>> maybe go from stoplight to stoplight a little faster than most. My
>> question is, should I rebuild the existing transmission or should I
>> replace it with something else? Estimates to have it rebuilt run from
>> $450 to $650 dollars. One option I thought of was to try to install a
>> "seal kit" myself, does anyone have any experience/recommendations on
>> that?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Starkey
>> 
>> 
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:56:29 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Weird Plug Symptoms (No Q's this time!)

Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> This is an average of one spark plug set swap per day (over the last
> four days) for a total of 32 spark plugs.  Just to start a thread, who
> here has changed the most spark plugs over a short period of time?  I'm
> sure 32 plugs for 4 days can be beaten...

I am not sure I can stay on top, but I can top you... <G>

Day 1:
Changed Dads Plugs (Buick Skyhawk) - 4
Changed My Mustang's Plugs - 4 (Autolite Double Plats)
Had rough idle with Double Plats, back to Bosch - 4
Went to track, Autolites ran good above 1500RPM - Back to Autolite - 4
At Track changed plugs 2X at track 4 Bosch, 4 Autolites.
Guy had a set of Accel U-Grooves that were the right part number, and
let me borrow 	them- 4
They Sucked - Autolites 4
Had to go home, didn't like Autolites on the ROAD - Back to Bosch 4

Day 2
Thinking maybe Autolites just had to be run to get better, Changed Bosch
out - 4
Got to work, didn't like the idle thing - 4
While at work, said screw it, back to Autolite - 4
Went to track - Left them in the whole nite.
Disappointed with the day's performance, went to change the Autolites,
dropped Bosch, broke, dissapointed, but determind, switched back to
Bosch to go home - 3.

Day 3
Bought new Bosch installed - 4.

13x4+3=55, in 3 days.

- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:55:01 EST
From: Oldsnut <Oldsnut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Shift kit installation

I have installed a shift kit in a TH-350 and a TH-700-R4.  The 350 was
relatively easy compared to the 700.  You will have to drop the valve body to
make the necessary modifications.  You should be able to find an aftermarket
kit from Summit, Jegs, etc.  There might be some OEM parts that will firm up
the shifting, too.

In a message dated 97-12-29 12:15:42 EST, you write:

<< All the talk about shift kits has got me thinking.
 
 How does one install a shift kit?
 
 Do they make one for a THM-200 >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:05:24 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Matchbox Hot Wheels

I'm looking for the Hot Wheels "Crusin America set " sold only at Target
stores. If anyone comes across one I would gladly pay full price and all
shipping chgs to obtain one of these sets.

Rob Thomas
69 442 

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:10:09 -0600
From: "Samuel E. Johnson, Jr" <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
Subject: 403 vs 455

Hi my name is Sam Johnson and I am a strong lover of the Olds 403. My
dad had two cars with this motor in it. 1977 Ninety Eight and a 1977
olds Cutlass GMO.

My question is, I would like to build an olds 403 with about 500 lbs of
torch. My mechanic was telling me to build the 455 but I would rather
build the 403. Can you help me?

I have two email address

johnsons@ul.com
cutlass403@ameritech.net

Your input would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Sam

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:20:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Diff noises

From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Bad Vibrations
I've got a ' 72 442 (open diff) that vibrates (slightly) at about 75 mph
and up. Does fine up til 75. Sort of feels like it coming from the rear.
Any explanations? What should I look at?
======================
Besides the former excellent suggestions, of which I'd cite tires first,
include the wheel bearings on the list.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:20:23 -0800
From: "PHIL L SCHMIDT" <PSCHMIDT65@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any time

need to change no 10 to 35 cents already going up in alabama local phone
call.   Phil
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 4:48 PM
Subject: 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any
time


>A friend just sent me this, thought some might enjoy...
>
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>There are only ten things in this world you need to fix any
>car, any place, any time.
>
>1. Duct Tape: Not just a tool, a veritable Swiss Army knife in stickum
>and plastic.  It's safety wire, body material, radiator hose,
>upholstery, insulation, tow rope, and more in one easy-to-carry
>package.  Sure, there's a prejudice surrounding duct tape in concourse
>competitions, but in the real world everything from LeMans -
>winning Porsches to Atlas rockets - uses it by the yard.  The only thing
>that can get you out of more scrapes is a quarter and a phone booth.
>
>2. Vice-Grips: Equally adept as a wrench, hammer, pliers, baling wire
>twister, breaker-off of frozen bolts, and wiggle-it-till-it-falls off
>tool.  The heavy artillery of your toolbox, Vice Grips are the only tool
>designed expressly to fix things screwed up beyond repair.
>
>3. Spray Lubricants: A considerably cheaper alternative to new doors,
>alternators, and other squeaky items.  Slicker than pig phlegm.
>Repeated soakings of WD-40 will allow the main hull bolts of the
>Andrea Dora to be removed by hand.  Strangely enough, an integral part
>of these sprays is the infamous little red tube that flies out of the
>nozzle if you look at it cross-eyed, one of the ten worst tools of all
>time.
>
>4. Margarine Tubs With Clear Lids: If you spend all your time under
>the hood looking for a frendle pin that caremed off the peedle valve
>when you knocked both off the air cleaner, it's because you eat
>butter.  Real mechanics consume pounds of tasteless vegetable oil
>replicas, just so they can use the empty tubs for parts containers
>afterward.  (Some, of course, chuck the butter-colored goo altogether
>or use it to repack wheel bearings.) Unlike air cleaners and radiator
>lips, margarine tubs aren't connected by a time/space wormhole to the
>Parallel Universe of Lost Frendle Pins.
>
>5. Big Rock : Block up a tire.  Smack corroded
>battery terminals.  Pound out a dent.  Bop nosy know-it-all types on
>the noodle.  Scientists have yet to develop a hammer that packs the raw
>banging power of granite or limestone.  This is the only tool with
>which a "made in India" emblem is not synonymous with the user's
>maiming.
>
>6. Plastic Zip Ties: After twenty years of lashing down stray hoses
>and wired with old bread ties, some genius brought a slightly
>slicked up version to the auto parts market.  Fifteen zip ties can
>transform a hulking mass of amateur-quality rewiring from a working
>model of the Brazilian rain forest into something remotely resembling a
>wiring harness.  Of course, it works both ways.  When buying used
>cars, subtract $100.00 for each zip tie under the hood.
>
>7. Ridiculously Large Standard Screwdriver:
>Let's admit it.  There's nothing better for prying, chiseling,
>lifting, breaking, splitting, or mutilating than a huge flat-bladed
>screwdriver, particularly when wielded with gusto and a big hammer.
>This is also the tool of choice for oil filters so insanely located they
>can
>only be removed by driving a stake in one side and out the other.  If
>you break the screwdriver - and you will, just like Dad or your shop
>teacher said - who cares? It's guaranteed.
>
>8. Bailing Wire: Commonly known as MG muffler brackets, bailing wire
>holds anything that's too hot for tape or ties.  Like duct tape, it's
>not recommended for concourse contenders since it works so well you'll
>never replace it with the right thing again.  Bailing wire is a
>sentimental favorite in some circles, particularly with MG, Triumph,
>and flathead Ford set.
>
>9. Bonking Stick: This monstrous tuning fork with devilishly pointy
>ends is technically known as a tie-rod- end separator, but how often do
>you separate tie-ends?  Once every decade, if you're lucky.  Other than
>medieval combat, its real use is the all purpose application of undue
>force, not unlike that of the huge flat-bladed screwdriver.  Nature
>doesn't know the bent metal panel or frozen exhaust pipe that can stand
>up to a good bonking stick. (Can also be used to separate tie-rod ends
>in a pinch, of course, but does a lousy job of it).
>
>10. A Quarter: For a phone call if all else fails.
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:12:31 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Weird Plug Symptoms (No Q's this time!)

Spark Plug changing derby - I think I can chime in on this one.

4 complete sets - in one evening. We were doing plug checks on our 71 Cutlass
asphalt circle-track car to see if the carb was setup right, and changed them
1)upon getting to the track, installed new AC M-45's, 2)after the first set of
hot laps - practice, 3)after second set of hot laps, 4)after the heat race,
did real well and plugs looked right on the best setting. We kept the set in
we installed to replace the set run in the heat race, and we ran first for
most of the feature until we had a bad case of wheel hop that sent us back to
second.

Overall, we found out that our Q-Jet was doing a good job for us, and we
needed to get better rear shocks.

OK, I know somebody can top that, so let's hear it.......   :-)

Ken Snyder

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:18:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: plug change record

This is an average of one spark plug set swap per day (over the last
four days) for a total of 32 spark plugs.  Just to start a thread, who
here has changed the most spark plugs over a short period of time?  I'm
sure 32 plugs for 4 days can be beaten...   Jason
===================
I submit my application!
Driving a '64 Cadillac Sedan DeVille  from Davis, CA to Lansing MI. Found out
soon after the trip began that is used a bit of oil. Like, a quart every 20
miles. After 2 qts, it would start ticking- time to stop & add. After a few
stops it was obvious that this trip was going to cost more in oil than in gas.
I even tried to buy used oil at one point- anything to dump in there.

Anyhow, it was burning it mostly thru one or two cylinders. After 2-3 oil stops
those plugs were caked, and not firing anymore. That cut the miserable gas
mileage even more. After a while I ran out of fresh plugs- and they are
expensive, and Nebraska is a W-I-D-E state... So I adopted the practice of
swapping the good & bad cyl plugs, giving the bad plugs a cursory cleaning.
Worked quite well. I got real good at it, too.

 I drove for about 4 days straight the first part of the trip, changing 2 to 4
plugs every 2-3 oil stops [80 miles, or every hour or so]. For about 1500
miles. Plus a couple of full-plug-set swaps.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:23:04 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: '80 Cutlass Supreme

I guess that I spoke too soon on the issue of 350's with 2-barrels.
However, I am sure that none between 1974 and 1988 did.  I keep forgeting
that the world existed before I was born :¬)

By the way, I have a tendency to get facts mixed up and to talk to people
who have little or no idea what they are talking about, so most of my
advice should be taken with a grain of salt.

Bob
'78 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 23:28:04 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 10 things in this world you need to fix any car, any place, any time

That's a good set, I must admit to all 10 myself.

That thing about the butter-colored goo and wheel bearings..........I
wonder..........:-)

Ken Snyder

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:54:08 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Info needed

Hi all,

Well I finally got the 68 442 in for repairs.  Looking at $1200 to fix
frame and do rear quarter panel, no paint.  The body shop manager was
telling me how he needs my rear bumper to determine how much to
pull on the frame to get it right.  I thought to myself, I am sure
someone has specs on chassis dimensions.  I need to know how far apart
is the frame in the back, near where the exhaust hooks up?

A side note:

Today I had to get out and move my other cars around, city requirement,
when an eerie occurence happened.  I had to get another tire for the
spare 442 I have (from junk yard) to replace the one going flat.  Well
I thought I got too high a tire since the car was tilting to one side.
the wierd thing is that I had shut the door after I started it and 
heard a creak/popping sound.  Startled me since I didn't know what it
was.  Well when I eyed the car as I was leaving to drop off the 
damaged 442, It wasn't leaning anymore.  Strange....

Later...

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:13:20 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: RESCUE '69 442/Cutlass for $500? in Georgia

Found a 69 442 white w/black hardtop f/s $500-$600

455 block, the guy sold the heads, has intake and carb
solid body except for rust in lower front fenders and left rear quarter
solid frame.  missing front turn signal lights.

red original interior

rear bumper is from 69 cutlass, guy said VIN numbers read 442, I couldn't
check
because of too much moisture on windshield

has shifter (auto trans) no console

Basically, the guy who owns it sold a couple parts then left the car with his
friend and moved to montana.  The guy who has it now, the friend, is cleaning
up his lot as of 1/1/98 (He owns a Chevy Parts/Resto place) and it has to go -
somewhere, anywhere.  He doesn't want it to go to a wrecker, would rather see
it go for restoration, was going to call his friend tonite and talk him down
to ~$600.

The friend may still have the original engine in his parent's basement, and
may still have a new 442 grill still in the box (the one on the car is
cracked, missing parts around headlights).  

Missing chrome on front fenders.  

I'm not in a position, I decided, to take it on.  If someone has the tools,
and the time, it's easily restorable.  Needs new interior, new tires, heads,
and I don't know what else.  He was driving it before selling off the heads
and other parts, but his friend who I talked to said the engine needed
rebuilding.

Has original, it appears, Super Stock I wheels.

Super Sport (770) 482-9219 and talk to Kenny

SAVE THE 442!!!

aaron

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:01:34 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Aaron's 400/455

It's getting alot easier to sell a '68-'69 400 now because of the same
reason they *weren't* easy to sell before = durability!  Since they didn't
hold up (relatively) well, there's not as many left & I've noticed them
beginning to be more in demand now by those doing a totally "stock"
restoration.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

> From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: Aaron's 400/455
> Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 7:56 PM
> If I sold my 400 (20K miles on it), would it pay for a good deal of a
rebuilt
> or nice 455?
> 
> [[ Well, probably not. Hard to sell a 400, even to a diehard '68-9 fan.
You'd
> be ahead to find a place to stash it. Unless you get lucky. 'Course, you
> *could* advertise it as a "big block Olds" stick a "rocket 455" air
cleaner lid
> on it, and play dumb ;-) ]]
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing,
MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:58:16 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Plug-swapping competitions (was Re: weird plug symptoms)

Jerry Christopher wrote:

>>>Day 3
>>>Bought new Bosch installed - 4.
 
>>>13x4+3=55, in 3 days.

Well, I'm long out of the running by now.  How about a competition at
the other end of the spectrum?  Who has gone the longest on a set of
plugs?

- --the '78 Delta went 9 years, and roughly 100,000km on the originals.

- --the '85 Delta went 12 years, and just over 145,000km on the
originals...(looked *great*!)

- --my truck, which is a '91 (305 TBI), has never had a set of plugs,
wires, PCV valve, fuel filter, or *anything* along those lines.  She's a
little shy of 115,000km and still runs great...

The only thing I frequently change plugs in is my Polaris snowmobile,
and that's about 6-8 pairs per winter...

- -- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 01:11:52 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Aaron's 400/455

Thanks for all the info Chris,

I'm filing it for the future :)

aaron

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:12:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: OldsmoChristmas

Unfortunately there were no redheads or '69 H/Os under the tree this year :(

Bryceman got 30 gal. parts washer (now trying to afford solvent) - any
suggestions?

'Rockets for the Road' poster matted and framed.

Set of 3 Craftsman bastards  ;)

Thermostat for kerosene heater

Craftsman Robo-Grip hat

The gods were smiling, I am pleased.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:15:46 -0800
From: John Lawlor <jlawlor114@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: ALL-PARTS

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- -

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:38:27 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: This mo.'s JWO

Looking forward to the non-critique. As mentioned, that was a new version
of my name so consider yourself unique :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:53:54 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: 1/2 Price Sale

A reminder California-ites, Pick-a-Parts next 1/2 price day is NEW YEARS
DAY (thats what the ad said but call to confirm).  My buddy goes out &
loads up on stuff on these days - its a pretty good deal.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:49:01 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Back!

>If I coast a lot I can get 12!  Way to go!!

I can hit 14 if I coast, 12 is my average tho too - thats the 230,000 '72
model 350 thats getting tiiiiiiiiiiiiired.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:44:19 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight Knob, B/C bodies

>Once I discovered the secret this is pretty easy. 

Oh my, it took my other half quite a while to figure that out (he's a F*rd
man!)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 03:24:32 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: OldsmoChristmas

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately there were no redheads or '69 H/Os under the tree this year :(

Didn't find any under my tree either.  

> Set of 3 Craftsman bastards  ;)

HUH?

> The gods were smiling, I am pleased.

Overall it hasn't been that bad a year like it started out to be in Ky
either.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

BTW-I would like to say thank you for the time and effort put in your
web site.  Neat place to visit and learn about Rocketmobiles.  :)

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 03:34:33 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Ford man/Was Headlight Knob, B/C bodies

James Thingwold wrote:

> Oh my, it took my other half quite a while to figure that out (he's a F*rd man!)

Lisa, I'm not quite sure how this happened, but the cars that are stored
inside dry and temperature controlled are 69-72 Oldsmobiles.  My daily
beaters all sit outside in the weather (currently 20s, snowing and wind
blowing about 20 mph) and are all Ford products currently. I guess that
means I care more for the Olds and drive whatever I got the best deal on
at the time.  Could have something to do with my size to.  I'm 6'3" and
about 260 lbs so I really can't fit comfortably in all cars.  I also use
my car as kind of a rolling office also so storage space is important. 
(Got to have somewhere for the golf clubs and softball gear you know.)

Hope you folks had a good Holiday season.  To sunny skies, warm temps,
and convertible cruising.....

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 06:28:08 EST
From: HCoons2818 <HCoons2818@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Valve seals and Spring Compressor 350 CID

I purchased a single bar Ch*vy valve spring compressor about 20 years ago.
Back then it was K & D p/n 912.  I recently used it to put valve springs on #6
350 Olds heads and it worked fine.  As mentioned previously you will need and
air-hold fitting for the spark plug hole.  I do it one cylinder at a time and
always change the springs, seals, etc. with the piston up at TDC to avoid any
possibility of a dropped valve.  Remove the spark plug. Bring the piston up to
TDC on the power stroke (both valves closed) install the air hold fitting and
apply a steady source of compressed air.  I find about 50 psi usually works
well on most engines. If you over-power the top of the piston on a cylinder
with good rings and valve seal, say with 90 psi of compressed air, it will
turn the engine over slightly pushing the piston down into the cylinder and
you will lose your accidental valve dropping safety feature. Use a small
magnet to retrieve the valve locks (keys) from the valve stem.  While one
person can do this job, it helps to do it with a friend.   A third hand is
sometimes welcome (especially when reinstalling the valve locks). After
reinstalling all the appropriate valve parts and with air pressure still
applied to the cylinder, take a small brass or hard plastic hammer and rap the
top of the valve stem sharply a few times to ensure proper seating of the
valve locks.  You should hear a loud air pop each time the valve spring comes
off its seat.  With the piston still at TDC on the power stroke, reinstall the
pushrod and rocker arm and run down the rocker nut as you spin the pushrod
with your fingers during tightening.  When you feel resistance to spinning the
pushrod, all clearance has been taken up. Tighten the rocker nut an additional
1/8 turn to seat the the lifter plunger in its bore and this will be
sufficient to start and run the engine. If desired, additional fine tunning of
the lifter plunger preload dimension can be done with the engine running and
after it is warmed up.

Harold Coons
67 442  

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 07:16:36 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: For Sale...

A few things I need to sell for "fundage"...

1. Hooker Competition Headers: BRAND NEW Ceramic coating, no dings, dents 
or scratches. PERFECT CONDITION, these fit my '72 Cutlass, the headers 
are two years old: $200.00 (You can see these headers on Brycemans Web 
Page, http://www.442.com/hall.html) Will consider trade for Hooker Super 
Competition for Big Block Olds...

2. Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold: Perfect Condition, this fits 
Olds small blocks and was just removed from my 72' Cutlass. $150.00 (You 
can also see this intake at the same address above...) Will consider 
trade for Edelbrock Performer for Big Block Olds...

3. Olds 455 F3 block, Nodular Iron crank, cast pistons still in block, J 
Heads and a cast intake. $150.00

Selling Headers and intake as I am building a 455 this winter w/some of 
my Detroit Street Rocket friends AND I bought a complete '68 455 to put 
in the '72 Cutlass so having FOUR 455's around the house seemed excessive 
(or is it?).

Please respond by my personal E-Mail address only (see sig. below) or 
call 248-627-5010.


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:38:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: OldsmoChristmas, Oldsmosnow, etc...

Hello all,

What you all been up to lately?

I just got done reading (mostly deleting) something like 3500 messages
(everything since you last heard from me...  Enjoyed and envied all the
new Christmas Oldsmotoys that you mentioned.  My biggest Christmas thing
was finally getting Lucille running.  Let's just call her "faster than she
needs to be," but at least the transmission seems to be holding up, knock
on fake burled walnut (or tiffany wood grain, ever what).  I'll give you
all further details on that later.  Am also looking at buying another
"daily driver" as Lucille now needs to be relegated to the "attracks to
many cops to be driven on a regular basis" category.  I'm looking into
buying a 1973 Caddilac Sedan de Ville, more on that later as well.  Got
given an Aurora for Christmas, seriously... well actually, it's about2
inches long or so, and is painted up like a police cruiser... says'
"HotWheels on the bottom" :-).  Interestingly enough, noticed that the
Aurora police cruiser model has a driveshaft and rear-end... chuckle
chuckle chuckle :-), liked it anyway.  Anyway, as I said, more details
later, I really gotta go, using my parents computer to access my e-mail,
and their fixing to go.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375(built), 3.73:1, 75k
miles)


PS, it's snowing here... and I've heard it's pretty dry in like Chicago
and Minnesota right now... dry and warm, well, it's snowing or at least
has just got done snowing in East Tennessee.

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A few things I need to sell for "fundage"...

1. Hooker Competition Headers: BRAND NEW Ceramic coating, no dings, dents 
or scratches. PERFECT CONDITION, these fit my '72 Cutlass, the headers 
are two years old: $200.00 (You can see these headers on Brycemans Web 
Page, http://www.442.com/hall.html) Will consider trade for Hooker Super 
Competition for Big Block Olds...

2. Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold: Perfect Condition, this fits 
Olds small blocks and was just removed from my 72' Cutlass. $150.00 (You 
can also see this intake at the same address above...) Will consider 
trade for Edelbrock Performer for Big Block Olds...

3. Olds 455 F3 block, Nodular Iron crank, cast pistons still in block, J 
Heads and a cast intake. $150.00

Selling Headers and intake as I am building a 455 this winter w/some of 
my Detroit Street Rocket friends AND I bought a complete '68 455 to put 
in the '72 Cutlass so having FOUR 455's around the house seemed excessive 
(or is it?).

Please respond by my personal E-Mail address only (see sig. below) or 
call 248-627-5010.


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm



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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:05:01 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: hello

 aaron, i found out about this car about a mo  ago..the price went from $1000
   to $500  it has a posi diff  has to be same car....

     guy works for yr one......

    how did you find out about the car?  how long will you be in town?


    thanks   jeff   call me at 770 723-9345

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:37:10 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts

I am so sorry to be this behind on my e-mail, but I just got to this.  I am
2767 posts yet in the reading after 4 months absence.  If you still have an
interest int he manifold, please let me know.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible



>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > How much would you like for that 4-barrel manifold, and what cfm carb
>> > did you use? I have figured some where about 390 cfm should be just
>> > right.
>> >
>> > Ben
>> > '62 Olds F-85
>> > '68 Olds 442
>> > (Persian Gulf)
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> I used a Pontiac AFB unit from about '63-64.  It must have been 550 or
>> 600cfm.  It worked just fine.  I hate to say it, but it felt just as
>> good as the turbo.
>>
>> I would like $50 for the intake.
>>
>> Bill Culp
>> Decatur, Alabama
>
>Bill,
>
>If you would just give me your mailing address I will send you a
>check or money order (your preference.) If you would like to find out
>how much it's gonna cost to send it (to washington state) I will be
>more than happy to pay for shipping too. U.S. Postal will work just
>fine. Thank you
>
>Ben
>'62 Olds F-85
>'68 Olds 442
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 8:39:29 CST
From: "SAM JOHNSON" <johnsons@ul.com>
Subject: ...no subject...

I have a 1971 Old Cutlass. It came with 4 wheel drum brakes on it. My 
mechanic changed the fronts to disk brakes and now I want to change the 
back to disk also. Is it possible to take the parts off a 1974 though 87 
Trans am or Camaro?

Sam

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:50:24 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 400/455 diffs

>Not *all* 455's were blue, btw, some were RED. All 400's were Bronze.
>--
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]

Oops. Forgot that those '68-'69 455's were RED ! My apologies.

Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible , 4 speed
'70 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:15:25 EST
From: CCWilk316 <CCWilk316@aol.com>
Subject: 1985 Calais Indy 500 Pace Car

I am curious if anyone has a general idea about how much these cars are worth.
I had someone ask me this because I have a 1977 Delta 88 Pace Car.  I had no
idea of the value of the 1985 Pace Cars.  Any help would be appreciated.
Assume that the car would be original and in average condition with about 50K
miles.  Thank You.
Chuck

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 97 11:10:45 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: 1998 OCA Nats - Info Coming to OCA Web Site!

I got the go ahead to put the OCA National Meet info up at the OCA Web Site 
today.  If you want to see the finest Olds in the country, check out the 
OCA Site after January 1 for ALL the info that was published in "Journey 
with Olds".  There will also be registration forms to print out and as I 
get it, updayes on activities and such as the date gets nearer. As usual, 
the show is open th OCA members, but the swap meet is open to anyone who 
wants to sell Oldsmobile "treasurers".  Definitely a reason to join OCA.  
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson (OCA WebGuy)
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca
     

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:31:14 EST
From: TFX FLYER <TFXFLYER@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Back!

 i can get 10 with my 71 cutlass with a pontiac 400 big block but i can get
there real fast lol . keep all thoses olds running :)
               cya tfx

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:00:58 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Some Parts For Sale

						
Robert Schinkel						
docbob@caninet.com						
						
                                                     1967						
425 or 400 Cylinder heads Casting B                              
.............................. $150.00 	
						
                                                     1968						
						
3 speed console (standard shift)	looks like a 4 speed console
.........................$275.00
442 Air cleaner                                                           
................................. $75.00 
68 Front Good Core Straight
...........................................................................$
100.00 
Ashtray
Doors.......................................................................
....................... $10.00 
Automatic console vgc.
............................................................................
.....$75.00 
C casting heads	 (complete)
............................................................................
$175.00
Conv. Top latches
............................................................................
.............$40.00 
Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome and pit free
............................... $60.00 
Convertible top cylinders
............................................................................
....$45.00 
Convertible top pump
............................................................................
..........$75.00 
Convertible Trunk Lid     Southern      Rust
free..................................................$250.00 
Front side markers
............................................................................
............$15.00 
Hood Hinges
............................................................................
....................$35.00 
Motor mount heat shield
............................................................................
....$ 8.00 
Rear defroster switch
............................................................................
.........$25.00 
Rear side
markers.....................................................................
.....................$ 15.00 
Rear Sway
Bar.........................................................................
..................... $45.00 
Wheel well
chrome......................................................................
....................$20.00 
						
                                                          1969						
						
1968-69 C Castings 400 or 455
heads................................................................$175.00

442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.
..............................................................$15.00 
442 Grills
exc.........................................................................
.........................$190.00 
AM radio with knob and mounting plate
.............................................................$ 40.00 
Ashtray
Doors.......................................................................
......................... $10.00 
Automatic Console
vgc.........................................................................
...........$75.00 
Body Chrome ( Top of fenders, doors and below side window) 
set........................$ 60.00 
Conv. Top
latches.....................................................................
.......................$40.00 
Convertible top cylinders
............................................................................
.....$45.00 
Convertible top
pump........................................................................
...............$75.00 
Convertible Trunk Lid    Southern    Rust
Free.....................................................$150.00 
Cutlass Conv. Trunk
lid.........................................................................
.......... $ 150.00 
Cutlass Grills
............................................................................
.................... $ 90.00 
Dash pad
(gold)......................................................................
........................ $90.00 
Front Bumper core quality
only........................................................................
. $ 75.00 
Hood Hinges
............................................................................
.......................$ 35.00 
Motor mount heat
shield......................................................................
............ $ 8.00 
Plastic headlight
frames......................................................................
............ $ 75.00 
Power Top switch &
wiring......................................................................
......... $45.00 
Radio plate
(uncut).....................................................................
..................... $20.00 
Rear defroster Switch &
wiring......................................................................
.....$25.00 
Rear Sway
Bar.........................................................................
.......................$45.00 
SSI’s   code JK 14x6 set of
4...........................................................................
.$100.00 
T handle  (that opens
hood).......................................................................
....... $10.00 
Wiper switch
............................................................................
.......................$40.00 
					
                                                          1970
						
1" 1/8 front sway bar
............................................................................
............$60.00 
455 heads E
casting.....................................................................
....................$125.00 
70-72 Cutlass wagon dash pad
Black..................................................................$150.
00 
70 442 Bumper Core
............................................................................
............$150.00 
Ashtray Doors
............................................................................
.....................$10.00 
Conv. Top
latches.....................................................................
....................... $40.00 
Conv. Visors w/mirror pad BUT no mirror 
Black................................................... $50.00 
Convertible top cylinders
............................................................................
.......$45.00 
Convertible top pump
............................................................................
............$75.00 
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around
gauges)................................................. $20.00 
F85 fender script
............................................................................
..................$30.00 
Front side marker
lights......................................................................
...............$20.00
Hood
Hinges......................................................................
.............................. $35.00 
Motor mount heat
shield......................................................................
...............$ 8.00 
Nos 442 emblem sets (both sides, front tooth and trunk
lid)................................... $225.00 
Nos Boxed lower Control Arms
...........................................................................$
225.00 
Nos fender script "Cutlass"
............................................................................
...$18.00 
Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)
..........................................................................$2
0.00 
Rear ¼ panel supreme
extensions..................................................................
.. .$15.00
Rear side marker
lights......................................................................
.............. .$15.00
Rear Sway
Bar.........................................................................
....................... .$45.00
T handle  (that opens
hood).......................................................................
........ .$10.00
Tail light lens
(Cutlass)...................................................................
....................$15.00
Tail light lens
(Supreme)...................................................................
..................$18.00

                                                     1971 & 1972
						
442 Grills good condition (with
emblems)..............................................................$200.0
0
70-72 Cutlass wagon dash   pad 
Black................................................................
$150.00 
71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c
............................................................................
.$.100.00 
71-72 sport mirrors
w/brackets..................................................................
...........$75.00 
71 Cylinder heads Casting
G...........................................................................
....$125.00 
71 front bumper usable and straight
......................................................................$125.0
0 
72 Cylinder heads Casting
GA..........................................................................
...$125.00 
Ashtray Doors
............................................................................
.......................$10.00 
Auto Console (Brown)
............................................................................
............$90.00 
Auto Console
(Tan).......................................................................
......................$90.00 
Conv. Top
latches.....................................................................
..........................$40.00 
Conv. Visors w/mirror pad BUT no mirror 
Black.................................................... $50.00 
Convertible top
cylinders...................................................................
..................$45.00 
Convertible top pump
............................................................................
............ $75.00 
Dash pad complete with lower plastic (Blue)   gc.
................................................ $125.00 
Dash pad complete with lower plastic (Green) gc.
.................................................$125.00 
Dash pad complete with lower plastic (Black)
Vgc.................................................. $140.00 
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around
gauges).....................................................$10.00 
Front bumper directional lens        
.......................................................................
$10.00 	
Hood Hinges
............................................................................
...........................$ 35.00
Motor mount heat shield 
............................................................................
.........$8.00
Nos headlight
frames(plastic).............................................................
................... $75.00 
Power bench seat
............................................................................
.................. $100.00 
Rear ¼ panel supreme
extensions..................................................................
..... $15.00 
Rear Sway
Bar.........................................................................
.......................... $45.00 
Seat belt shoulder harness,   plastic hangers
........................................................$15.00 
T handle  (that opens hood)
............................................................................
.....$10.00 
Tail light
lens........................................................................
...............................$15.00 
Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E"
..................................................................$30.00 
												
Shipping is extra 						
						
Robert Schinkel						
docbob@caninet.com						
905-357-4454						

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:28:15 -0500
From: "Robert T. Handren, Jr." <bobhandren@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Leaded Fuel

As noted this subject has been discussed before. My .02 is:

Amoco has sold unleaded fuel forever and none of their customers apparently
complained in large numbers. So the absence of lead in gasoline is not new
if you were an Amoco customer.

The facts as I have seen them presented elsewhere are that the tetra-ethyl
lead does in fact have lubricating qualities that extend valve and seat
life. BUT, it takes a looooong time for damage to show up. Even then the
type of driving can have a marked effect. The harder/hotter the engine is
run the quicker damage can occur. Motor home engines are an example of a
situation where hardened seats should be considered.

For our beloved old cars I personally doubt very many, if any, of us drive
them enough to even think of this becomming a problem.  It just doesn't
happen easily. Of course, the machine shops love the work and "experts" like
to act like, well, experts.

The only justification to install hardened seats, IMO, is if the heads are
being reworked and there is evidence of damage already. Again, not very
likely.

FWIW neither of our cars use hardened seats (both are 455's) and probably
never will. And the 67 gets the pee run out of it fairly often.

Bob Handren

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:49:30 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: FAQ and "wonderbar" on web pages

As promised, I corrected the links, and added a few corrections and
miscellaneous to the FAQ. The main page now has the file name oldsfaq.htm (the
revision digit was removed), so links won't become obselete with FAQ revisions. 

On the same idea, I've noticed the "Wonderbar", created by Mike Frederick, that
many people are using, points to oldsfaq2.htm!! Page authors please change that!
Thanks!
- --
David Brown              Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:16:19 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: WAs -Re: Tranny stuck in drive!!- NOW- Shifter cable is melted!!!

At 08:07 PM 12/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Aaron D Eoff wrote:
>> In particular the shifter handle on the center console has been
>> very hard to push or to pull into gear. Anyway yestrday morning i was able
>> to with much effort put the car into drive and thats where it been since;
>> stuck in drive with the key stuck in the ignition.  
>
>Sounds like the old, grounding-via-shifter-cable routine.  Sometimes,
>the ground between the engine and body/frame deteriorates or is
>non-existant.  One of the common things that happen is that the shifter
>cable then becomes the ground.  Current will actually pass through the
>cable, and while I'm no electrical engineer to completely understand and
>explain this process, I do know it will foul up the cable to sheath
>after a while.                 

mike you were right. Heres what happened. Took the car to a local mechanic
and had a new cable installed. But then yesterday same scenario happened;
shifting inro "r" and "d" became real hard and eventually car remained stuck
in drive. Took back to the mechanic and he found the new cable has
completely melted, in effect, welding itself to the sheath. MAybe its my
fault because i did not re-install the center console and reattach the
center console ground wire to the shifter base.

My question: Is that the problem or could any open circuit or loose ground
cause this problem? ANy ideas where to look for the culprit?

Thanks for the help!!!

AAron D EOff

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 16:22:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: OldsmoChristmas, Oldsmosnow, etc...

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: OldsmoChristmas, Oldsmosnow, etc...

Hello all,

What you all been up to lately?

I just got done reading (mostly deleting) something like 3500 messages
(everything since you last heard from me...  Enjoyed and envied all the
new Christmas Oldsmotoys that you mentioned.  My biggest Christmas thing
was finally getting Lucille running.  Let's just call her "faster than she
needs to be," but at least the transmission seems to be holding up, knock
on fake burled walnut (or tiffany wood grain, ever what).  I'll give you
all further details on that later.  Am also looking at buying another
"daily driver" as Lucille now needs to be relegated to the "attracks to
many cops to be driven on a regular basis" category.  I'm looking into
buying a 1973 Caddilac Sedan de Ville, more on that later as well.  Got
given an Aurora for Christmas, seriously... well actually, it's about2
inches long or so, and is painted up like a police cruiser... says'
"HotWheels on the bottom" :-).  Interestingly enough, noticed that the
Aurora police cruiser model has a driveshaft and rear-end... chuckle
chuckle chuckle :-), liked it anyway.  Anyway, as I said, more details
later, I really gotta go, using my parents computer to access my e-mail,
and their fixing to go.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375(built), 3.73:1, 75k
miles)


PS, it's snowing here... and I've heard it's pretty dry in like Chicago
and Minnesota right now... dry and warm, well, it's snowing or at least
has just got done snowing in East Tennessee.

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