
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, December 10 1997    Volume 01 : Number 1000



Blue? piston rods
W-31 Rallye 350's
How to kill a Quad 4...(long)
Re: diff codes
Car Craft addresses
Wanted  '64 F-85 2-dr
Wanted: '75-'79 Starfire
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
Re: valve addition
Re: diff codes (they DO exist)
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: what belongs in cars
Re: sounds(non-suggestive comment)
Re: How to kill a Quad 4...(long)
Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)
Re: Blue? piston rods
Re: Education??
Re: non olds and olds
Re: F41 suspension
Re: F41 suspension
courtesy lights in G-body
Re: sounds (Primus)
Thanks to all.
Re: diff codes
Re: diff codes (they DO exist)
Re: valve addition
Re: How to kill a Quad 4...(long)
G-body model
5000 RPM tach (not for an Olds)
Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB
Re: sounds(non-suggestive comment)
Re: '67 Cutlass frame/transmission mount problem
Re: W-31 Rallye 350's
Re: Power Tour
Re: sounds
Re: Re:'67 Delta
Re: sounds
Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: sounds (Primus)
H/O parts
Re: Thanks to all.
Re: sounds
Re: The Sounds of Being Young(er)
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: 6sp\442, dist cap
Re: The Sounds of Being Young(er)
Interior stuff
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!) funny though
Re: Intake Manifold gaskets..yes they are!!
Re: sounds
Re: Re[2]: carb. fix info./ for all list!

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:42:53 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Blue? piston rods

Goerge had my pistons cleaned up today. I looked them over and one of
the rods was...Blue! What does this mean when a piston rod is painted
blue? I don't think the engine has ever been apart or has had the bottom
end tampered with. Uh?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 21:10:56 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: W-31 Rallye 350's

Hi All,
A while back we had the discussion about Rallye 350's with the W-31 option and their existence, which if I recall was that they didn't.  Well, I got the Feb/Mar Muscle Car Review Sat and skimmed through it and noticed that 'Jim via Internet' asked this very question in the Post Exchange.  The editor said they checked with Olds Club of America and they said Olds did make "10 or 12"  So I'm wondering what the deal is.  Do they exist or not?  I suppose if I ever encountered one I would need solid factory documentation, i.e build sheet, etc, to be a believer.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:46:21 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: How to kill a Quad 4...(long)

It just seems ironic that yesterday I should mention that I have little
experience working on a Quad 4...well, today I furthered my education. 
A customer brought his Grand Am (or maybe it was a Grand Prix) into the
auto shop today, complaining of oil comsumption.  He said that it has
burned oil ever since he bought it, which was two years and over
70,000km ago.  I fired it up, and an enormous cloud of blue smoke came
out of the tailpipe.  About ten seconds later, I could hear the valves
tapping up a storm, and it would continue regardless of engine load,
temp, rpm, etc.

Of course, I shut the car off, and pulled the oil dipstick...it was
about 1/4" below the "add" line, and it was severely black...it looked
more like coal oil.  I asked him when was the last time he changed his
oil, and he said "I add about a quart every thousand kilometers".  I
looked at him a little weird, and he said, "Why should I change it if I
have to fill it so often?"

At this point, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.  I told him that's
why the car was using so much oil (and smoking so bad).  He said "Oh,
well that's only *half* as bad as it used to be...I put in two bottles
of Bardahl No-Smoke last week..."

By now, I just couldn't contain myself, and actually started
laughing...of course, the owner of the car was a teacher at the school,
and I didn't want to call him an idiot outright...(it's very seldom I
would call a customer an idiot, anyway).

So, I flushed the engine for him, changed the filter, filled it with
fresh Valvoline, and added GM's Engine Oil Supplement.  The engine still
shot out a decent puff of smoke at start-up (not *quite* as bad as
before), but the valves were quieter....not as quiet as they should've
been, but a lot quieter than before.

I took a hacksaw to the old oil filter, just to see what it looked like
inside.  I guess the paper element was yellow when it was new...now it
was a nice shiny grey.  I wonder if that engine will see 200,000km or
not....at the rate it's going, 150 will be hard enough.

I guess the Quad 4 is impressive for a four-banger, but I'll tell ya,
this engine was a piece of junk, largely due to the lack of maintenance.
I had the opportunity to go for a short test drive, and it didn't seem
that quick...it seemed like my 307 D88 could keep up.  Are there two
different versions of the Quad 4?  Or could this just be the result of a
poorly maintained engine? 

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:47:53 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: diff codes

I disagree that the codes aren't stamped on those axles.  They were put on.
They were put on very poorly at times.  They have suffered much dirt, grime,
& rust over the years.  They are very hard to find & maybe impossible, but
they were there once.

BTW.  Even if found, someone may have changed the axle ratio from stock.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Dr. Robert Barry wrote:
>
>> >Also, I cannot find the stamped letter code on my axle.
>>
>> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax that
the
>> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...
>
>Not funny!  I must have sure looked stupid crawling under my car looking
>for that blasted code on the axle.  Better yet telling my mechanic that
>I am looking for codes on my axle when my car is jacked up.
>
>All of you should be ashamed.
>
>Chris Sparks
>
>
>P.S. Sorry Greg, I don't like to look stupid
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 21:15:50 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Car Craft addresses

Hi All,
I know a few people have asked "why doesn't Car Craft have an email address or something?"  Well, looking through the Nov issue (I know I'm behind) I noticed that CC does have such a thing.  carcraft@petersenpub.com    So let the flaming, er, Olds educating begin.  They also have a web site, but its still being developed     www.carcraft.com      Haven't checked it out so I don't know what's there.
If this is already known, I apologize for the wasted bandwidth.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:25:41 -0500
From: "_DEFAULT" <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Wanted  '64 F-85 2-dr

Placing this for a friend:

 Must have decent body.  Prefer Club Coupe, V-6 or V-8.  
George (330) 769-5372 Northern Ohio    

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:22:39 -0500
From: "_DEFAULT" <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Wanted: '75-'79 Starfire

Placing this for a friend:

Starfire must have decent body.  Drivetrain will be replaced.  
George (330) 769-5372 Northern Ohio    

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:56:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:

> Well as matter of fact I set thise damn alarms off all the time. And Ive
> been through two alternators already.  But however the ladies like when I
> ride by with my loud ass system....

You probably see them smiling because they're laughing at you.  The ladies
I know think any kind of automotive enthusiasm is foolish.  Fools.  Women
should not be allowed to own cars or have opinions about them.

> 
> "The Colonel of the Tank"
>    82 delta 88
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ray wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene D Mitchell wrote:
> > 
> > > Does any one know, how much should pay to get a 2004r tranmissiom rebuilt
> > > that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
> > > 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I get t
> > > fixed?
> > > 
> > > "The Colonel of the Tank"
> > > 
> > >     1982 Delta 88
> > 4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?  Jeez.
> > Does that double the weight of your car?  How many windows have you
> > busted out?  Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
> > within 345 feet of them?> >  > 
> > > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:
> > > 
> > > > um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes into
> > > > low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Ray in the desert
> > 87 409 Cutlass 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:58:39 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: valve addition

CRuper1 wrote:
>
> Motorcycles have been using four (and sometimes five) valves per cylinder for
> sometime now, with some good results.  Car manufacturers have been toying with
> using this method for years, and it's now become a "standard" for new motors,
> this is due to it's benefits.  Yes, it makes for a more costly arrangement
> (more valves, and hardware to go with it, so an increased cost), but the
> benefits can be worth it.

I have the December, 1924 issue of Automotive Digest (I think that's the
title of it) I got from my Granddad.  They were hot-rodding back then,
too.  There were some ads for a 4-valve head for Ford Model T's and Model
A's made by Offenhauser.  Was Offenhauser around back then?...it could've
been a differnet company that made them...  It's really cool looking
through that magazine and imagining being around back then and actually
being able to do a valve job in the evening after work...or rebuild an
engine in a weekend day.  There was an article in that magazine about
taking off a cylinder head just looking for signs of icing!  How wonderful
it would be if things were that simple today!  Are there any folks on the
list that were around back then that could verify this magazine title?  The
actual magazine is back at home right now, about 300 miles from school, so
I can't check it out now, but...

Alright...back to the present...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:08:59 -0500
From: "_DEFAULT" <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: diff codes (they DO exist)

Chris, you are such a toublemaker :)  Now I have to toss out those paper I
thought were build sheets!

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: diff codes (they DO exist)
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 5:08 PM
> 
> > >snip>
> > >> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax
> > that the
> > >> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...
> > 
> > >snip>
> -- 
> Mike Rothe
> 69 H/O
> 71 442 HT
> 85 442 T-top
> 76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.
> 
> http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:59:53 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:

> Well yes, Im also in the market to replace my olds 307 with a new one.  Do
> you know where i might find some deals? I would like to replace it with a
> 350 rocket, olds 455, or hell I might just settles for another 307.

Do it!  Not the 307, though.  I'm driving an 84 88 now with a 307, and no
matter what, that is not enough engine for that car, especially with a 40
horsepower stereo.  It doesn't help either that my timing is retarded like
10 degrees and the dist. bolt is practically welded to the intake.
Fortunately I'll only be driving this for about two more weeks.  

> 
> 
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ray wrote:
> 
> > No offense or anything, but you shouldn't you have more power generated
> > under the hood than under the trunk lid?
> > 
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > My olds likes to listen to Al Green, with the four 6*9's and four 15' inch
> > > woofers in the back, with four gauge power wire supplying the juice to my
> > > system.
> > > 
> > > "The Colonel of the Tank"
> > >     82 Delta 88
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My olds loves to listen to Steve Earle..........kinda makes me want to run
> > > > moonshine
> > > > 
> > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
> > > > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > > > Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 6:55 AM
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep 
> > > > > Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an 
> > > > > open Highway....
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Cuzzy Ross:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
> > > > > > Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dave Ward wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are
> > > > there
> > > > > > > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like
> > > > listenin
> > > > > > > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the
> > > > backroads
> > > > > > > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a
> > > > nice
> > > > > > > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc.
> > > > still
> > > > > > > have some warm evenings here and there?
> > > > > > > _____________________________
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jason K. Adcock
> > > > > > > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > > > > > > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> > > > > Highland Community College
> > > > > Phone (815) 235-6121
> > > > > Fax (815) 235-6130
> > > > > Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
> > > > > Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Ray in the desert
> > 87 409 Cutlass 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:05:07 -0500
From: "_DEFAULT" <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: what belongs in cars

What does belong in cars (Olds) is *performance*.  Every car I have except
the Trofeo can run the 1/4 totally stock in less than 15.5.  I think they
all have what belongs! 

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: what belongs in cars
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 4:18 PM
> 
> Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> > 
> > Computers and FWD do NOT belong in cars.
> >               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > ===============
> > 
> > 
> > I guess you meant *in combination*, or something. Otherwise, them's
fightin'
> > words.
> 
> Yeah, in combination...  (ooopss)  I didn't realize that the Toro had
> FWD...  
> 
> I ain't openning that can of worms, but I ain't a real fan of FWD
> either...  But hey, you can't please all the people all of the time... 
> And I'm not gonna say that your 68 Toro sucks compared to my 87 RWD
> Cutlass...  <G>  That would be like playing russian roulette with 5
> bullets in a 6 chamber pistol....  So, before I start another war....
> 
> I'm done...  <G>
> -- 
>              		    Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:03:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds(non-suggestive comment)

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Dave Ward wrote

> Jerry Christopher wrote:
>  
> >Dave Ward wrote:
> > 
> > > the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
> > > seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)
> > 
> > Ain't your D88 about the same deal as my 87 Cutlass???  That bench front
> > seat saves time from having to go into the back seat...  (Not impling
> > anything here either)
> 
> Smart *ss...

When I drove my 84 88 cross-country, I removed the back seat and slept on
it outside at the rest stops.  It was comfortable for that.  
Innocent comment.

> 
> I meant that the car was comfortable during...uh...long drives...(yeah,
> that's it!)
> 
> (I originally meant that a big car (such as a D88 or CS) was comfortable
> for long road trips. It seems that the wrong idea was taken in,
> partially due to bad word choice.  It's still funny though...LOL)
> 

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:15:04 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: How to kill a Quad 4...(long)

dave Describe the engine's appaerance to us was it black or aluminum
looking, and have an circular air filter on top? 


At 10:46 PM 12/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>It just seems ironic that yesterday I should mention that I have little
>experience working on a Quad 4...well, today I furthered my education. 
>A customer brought his Grand Am (or maybe it was a Grand Prix) into the
>auto shop today, complaining of oil comsumption.  He said that it has
>burned oil ever since he bought it, which was two years and over
>70,000km ago.  I fired it up, and an enormous cloud of blue smoke came
>out of the tailpipe.  About ten seconds later, I could hear the valves
>tapping up a storm, and it would continue regardless of engine load,
>temp, rpm, etc.
>
>Of course, I shut the car off, and pulled the oil dipstick...it was
>about 1/4" below the "add" line, and it was severely black...it looked
>more like coal oil.  I asked him when was the last time he changed his
>oil, and he said "I add about a quart every thousand kilometers".  I
>looked at him a little weird, and he said, "Why should I change it if I
>have to fill it so often?"
>
>At this point, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.  I told him that's
>why the car was using so much oil (and smoking so bad).  He said "Oh,
>well that's only *half* as bad as it used to be...I put in two bottles
>of Bardahl No-Smoke last week..."
>
>By now, I just couldn't contain myself, and actually started
>laughing...of course, the owner of the car was a teacher at the school,
>and I didn't want to call him an idiot outright...(it's very seldom I
>would call a customer an idiot, anyway).
>
>So, I flushed the engine for him, changed the filter, filled it with
>fresh Valvoline, and added GM's Engine Oil Supplement.  The engine still
>shot out a decent puff of smoke at start-up (not *quite* as bad as
>before), but the valves were quieter....not as quiet as they should've
>been, but a lot quieter than before.
>
>I took a hacksaw to the old oil filter, just to see what it looked like
>inside.  I guess the paper element was yellow when it was new...now it
>was a nice shiny grey.  I wonder if that engine will see 200,000km or
>not....at the rate it's going, 150 will be hard enough.
>
>I guess the Quad 4 is impressive for a four-banger, but I'll tell ya,
>this engine was a piece of junk, largely due to the lack of maintenance.
>I had the opportunity to go for a short test drive, and it didn't seem
>that quick...it seemed like my 307 D88 could keep up.  Are there two
>different versions of the Quad 4?  Or could this just be the result of a
>poorly maintained engine? 
>
>----------------------------------------- 
>S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)
>
>'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
>'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
>'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)
>
>(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)
>
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:09:55 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

>
>  How many windows have you
> > busted out?> 
> Check out ~this~ picture!
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83shith2.jpg
> 

HA HA!  What's with the antenna on the trunk, is that to a hook-up to
charge your battery from Limerick Nuclear Power Plant?  A lightning pole?

> 

> OK. OK, some may actually remember the story, but the picture does fit
> the scenario quite well!  This pic was just after the car got broken
> into (upon finding nothing they wanted, apparantly they decided to have
> some other fun.  The T-tops were undamaged, fortunately)  The Rockit
> actually did have four 15's for awhile.  Sounded awesome, they were
> iso'd.  Had to have the back seat foreward about 8 inches to clear 'em,
> though, so I finally gave up and sold two of 'em.  Kinda sad, especially
> since the only thing I actually use the back seat for is carrying the
> stuff I can't fit in the trunk!  But occasionally I'll get a carload of
> people, and it makes it more livable.  Although those that sat in the
> back seat with all four running rarely mentioned the lack of legroom (or
> at least I didn't hear them complaining about it anyway!)
> 

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:12:40 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Blue? piston rods

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Goerge had my pistons cleaned up today. I looked them over and one of
> the rods was...Blue! What does this mean when a piston rod is painted
> blue? I don't think the engine has ever been apart or has had the bottom
> end tampered with. Uh?

Do you mean that the entire rod was made from a blue material, or did it
have a spot of blue "paint" on it?  In the metal shop, I've used
methylene blue before, which is used for marking spots on metal.  It's
not like an "overheated" type of blue, is it?

- ------------------------------------------ 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:26:31 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Education??

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Big EJ wrote:

> Like many on this list I have my favorite Oldsmobiles (49-72), but also like
> many on this list I have an interest in many varied automobiles.  It seems
> that lately some of us have been saying "my Olds is more important than
> yours".  This spoils the list for many of us.

Ok, mine is more important to me because it's mine.



> All the quad four foolishness on the list lately reminded me that one of the
> auto mags (Motor Trend?) did an article about the fastest cars sold in the
> U.S. six or seven years ago.  The last car to make the list and the least
> expensive one was a quad 4 Olds if my memory is correct.   Maybe the cars I
> had driven weren't any more representive of the high performance quad 4's than
> an inline 6 1970 Cutlass would be to a 70 W-30?

Really?  That's really cool.

> 
> Point is,  if you have a car you're proud of tell us why.  What about the car
> sets it apart from others, what do we look for, what trick features does it
> have, what years are desirable, and what ones aren't?  Please,  don't waste
> your time and our time with this my car is faster nonesense. 

I realize that while my car is faster than some, there will always be
others that are faster than it.  Mine is fast enough that it can be grat
fun to drive and not a problem to drive either.  The thing I like most
about my car is the keyless entry system in it, simple but nice.  And a
few little things like the Salon steering wheel, guage package dash (will
be installed after X-mas), and a few other "upgrades" that were actually
just options that the fool who bought the car new didn't get.  Of course
it was an old fella, as can be guessed by the brand new looking interior.
Also, although I smoke heavily, my car has never been smoked in by me or
anyone else.  The coolest thing about my car, I believe, is that it's been
cross country a couple of times.  From Philly to New Mexico for school,
then up to Las Vegas back to Philly in the Power Tour.  Also the Cadillac
Dark Cherry over CHRYSLER platinum paint scheme is very appealing to my
eyes.  Nice Alpine stereo, etc.  And, instead of waiting till after
college to fund an enjoyable car, I figured it made more sense to work for
three years after high school before college.  So, I appreciate my car
VERY much.  I hope to own it until internal combustion gasoline engines
are illegal, ya know in a couple of years.  Also, screw the cat-back dual
exhaust.  I prefer to have my started solenoid catch on fire on the way to
Carlisle and miss Spring Carlisle because of true dual.  Cars, like women,
are 80% problems and 20% pleasure.  But the pleasure is extreme, and
unlike women, I will always fix my car and get the last word!  

p.s.  After a fresh engine rebuild, me and the Rocket will be cruising
from Philly to Tucson AZ in January.  Everyone please collectively pray
that it doesn't snow between those two cities from Jan 10 to Jan 13.
Thankya'll very much.

Ray, Philadelphia native transplanted to the beautiful Sonoran Desert.
87 409 Cutlass SUPREME
(with temp driver 84 88, gotta be an Olds even if it;s only for a couple
of months)  

> I think that most of us are interested in most things Oldsmobile and we are
> anxious to learn as much as possible!    
> 
> Thanks for the time.
> 
> Elephant Engine Ernie
> 
> 67 442
> 50  88
> 

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:28:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: non olds and olds

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Shaun Miller wrote:

> This message is non olds but i thought some of the sports people would 
> enjoy it.  Tonite Temple University mopped the floor of the Fresno state 
> bulldogs 76-61.  It was the opening nite of the Apollo and john chaney 
> and the owls win!
> olds related-- Today i saw my first Intrigue.  This car looks great.  Any 
> more info about this new "shortstar".  good oldsmodriving.
> 
Temple rules, it's just a shame about all of the disgraced Culti you see
cruising up and down Broad Street, eh?


Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:33:17 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

Ray wrote:
> 
> I have an 84 DRB and I can't turn onto another street at more than 2.7
> MPH.  I suppose I'm just used to the Cutlass.

What is eerie is that it is almost as good as my 68 442!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:36:09 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> My '85 DRB had the F41 Suspension as well as the U14 Gage Package.  Also
> had UA1 High Capacity Battery System and V03 Extra Capacity Cooling
> System.  Had the Y67 Reminder Package too.  I thought it had the
> trailering package, but it doesn't show on the window sticker.

Aside from the obvious of finding a build sheet, how could I tell what
I have (ie UA1, V03, Y67)?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:35:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: courtesy lights in G-body

Here's a question:
I have a keyless entry system in my 87 that was a hookup to turn the
courtesy lights on for thirty second (or until the car's started) after
the doors are unlocked.  How on earth can I get to the hot lead for the
interior lights.  I've tried taking apart the headlight switch, and found
the wire back there, but it's not really accesible enough to use.  I've
also tried screwing around with the switch in the door jam, but couldn't
really do anythin there either.  I will have the dash apart in the future
when I swap in the cool instrument cluster.  Perhaps this will open up
some possibilities.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:38:25 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Ray wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:
> 
> > Well yes, Im also in the market to replace my olds 307 with a new one.  Do
> > you know where i might find some deals? I would like to replace it with a
> > 350 rocket, olds 455, or hell I might just settles for another 307.
> 
> Do it!  Not the 307, though.  I'm driving an 84 88 now with a 307, and no
> matter what, that is not enough engine for that car, especially with a 40
> horsepower stereo.  It doesn't help either that my timing is retarded like
> 10 degrees and the dist. bolt is practically welded to the intake.
> Fortunately I'll only be driving this for about two more weeks.

As I've been told before, either GET HOT or GO HOME.  My '85 DRB has the
smogger 307 in it, and it couldn't even get out of it's own way (to make
a long story a short one).  If I were you, I'd be looking for a 350,
rebuild it, and then bolt it in.  A 350 will give you lots of grunt when
you bury your foot in the firewall, but not so much that it'll be
sucking down the gas and coughing up transmissions...

If you use the car as a daily driver, a 350 will be the most practical. 
You won't have to get into changing bell housings, motor mounts, tranny
kickdowns, or worrying about A/C or master cyl. covers clearing the
hood.  But, if you're looking for more vroom-vroom than a 350 can sanely
put out (300+ hp), than by all means drop in a 455.  

- -------------------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:37:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Thanks to all.

Ya know, I've asked many questions on this list, and they have all been
answered.  Even if the info was unknown by anyone, I still get responses.
Just wanted to say that it's truly cool how everyone is willing to help
out each other like that and send my appreciation to everyone.  

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:41:28 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: diff codes

Robert Barry wrote:

> Did he laugh?

Actually not.  I had him convinced.

> >All of you should be ashamed.
> 
> Now I am...

:-)

> >Chris Sparks
> >
> >P.S. Sorry Greg, I don't like to look stupid
> 
> I have absolutely no comment on this statement... ;)

To quote the infamous Pee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I?"
:-) 

> OK, guys, who wants to let Chris in on the real "trick" here... ?

Huh?


Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:45:25 -0800
From: dilligaf@tl.infi.net
Subject: Re: diff codes (they DO exist)

Mike wrote
 
I have an "SL" on my 69 (3.91).  The first time I saw it, I thought it
was a "7S".

	Mike I am curious where you found the listing for a "SL" rear code.  I
have a '69 service manual and I don't see it listed.  "TO" is the code
for a 3.91 anti-spin.  "S7" is a code for a 3.23 anti-spin.  I just
wondered if there is another listing somewhere else.

					Larry

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:57:44 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: valve addition

Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> I have the December, 1924 issue of Automotive Digest (I think that's the title of it) I got from my Granddad.  They were hot-rodding back then, too.  There were some ads for a 4-valve head for Ford Model T's and Model A's made by Offenhauser.  Was Offenhauser around back then?

Jason, I wasn't around then, but I seem to remember Offenhauser being
mentioned by some of the history books I've read on the early days of
the Indy 500.  That would place it in the early 1910-1920 range.

Something you might find interesting, if your cable system carries the
History channel check out a program called "Automobiles".  It features
various stories on automotive history and makes.  The same channel also
has programs on how the highway systems evolved, etc.  I would highly
recommend these programs to everybody on the list.  While I haven't seen
a program dedicated to Oldsmobiles, they are covered to some extent with
other GM makes.  If you watch them, it helps explain how we got to where
we are today.  

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:53:47 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: How to kill a Quad 4...(long)

AEROTECH wrote:
> 
> dave Describe the engine's appaerance to us was it black or aluminum
> looking, and have an circular air filter on top?

It was aluminum, with a blazing "Quad 4" indented into the top.  I don't
believe that the air filter was on the top...if my memory serves me
correctly, it was a rectangular filter situated off the side.  

I could easily be wrong, but I likely would've remembered seeing it if
it were right on top.  All of the L.O.F.'s done on the auto shop are
supposed to include an air filter inspection, but I was preoccupied (and
asphyxiated) with the enormous cloud of oil smoke...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:55:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: G-body model

I remember a few months ago someone was asking about models of 80's Cutli.
I was at the model store the other day doing some X-mas shopping and asked
the guy there about it.  He said that they existed in the 80's as Nascar
versions and are no longer available.  I did get a killer 87 Grand
National for my brother though.  I hate to say it, but that car is way
cooler than any factory Cutlass of the 80's (when looking at the entire
package).  

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:57:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 5000 RPM tach (not for an Olds)

Does anyone know if there exists a tach that goes only upto 5000 RPM?
I'm trying to find one for my bro's I/H Scout II for X-mas.
Thanks

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:04:34 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB

At 09:05 AM 12/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
To Greg and all,

        Here's an interesting tid bit about these cars. Lots of them, even
without the F41 suspension had 15x7 wheels. Especially the wagons. They are
the small 5 on 4 3/4 bolt pattern. They will fit on all the A-bodies. We
like to use them when we have a dog dish or a plain hubcap car to get a
bigger tire on the rear (275/60-15's fit without problems), and it makes
them less noticable. The police cars of the other brand use a 5 on 5 bolt
pattern. So they will only fit the bigger cars. 

Jim Chermack


>On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:
>> I thought all Oldses of this genre had rear swap bars.  I don't know
>> about
>> the 7" rims, however, there are 225R75-15 currently on the car.  Does
>> that
>> qualify?
>
>Nope and nope. Just take a look under the back end of your car. If you 
>see a bar mounted under the rear axle that looks like this, then you 
>have a rear sway bar:
>
>|  _________________  |
>|_|                 |_|
>
>And, I'm pretty sure that 6"rims were standard unless you ordered 
>something else. Actually, I'm not at all sure Olds offered 7" rims on 
>any of this last-generation RWD full-sizer. The other GM brand that 
>sold a lot of police cars did, though.
>
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:06:28 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: sounds(non-suggestive comment)

Ray wrote:
> When I drove my 84 88 cross-country, I removed the back seat and slept on
> it outside at the rest stops.  It was comfortable for that.
> Innocent comment.

from the looks of it, my four door '70 "98" could sleep 6 (two per seet, two in the 
trunk) ;)

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:09:24 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass frame/transmission mount problem

At 08:04 PM 12/9/97 EST, you wrote:
Peter

        All the A-body cars have multiple holes in the chassis for different
transmissions. For the TH400 you must use the most rearward set of holes for
your crossmember. The convertibles also attach different than coupes. They
are (If I remember correctly bolted on from the bottom, because of the boxed
frame and the coupes mount from the top. The 4 spd cars will have the
crossmember in the same place as a Jetaway trans. The driveshaft for the
Jetaway and the 4 spd are the same length (the 4 spd will be solid and the
Jetaway will have a rubber insulated driveshaft). The TH400 uses a shorter
driveshaft and a different yoke than the other two trannies. Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack

>All ready to put my new 400/TH400 into my '67 ragrop. Drop it in, go to line
>up the transmission mount with the frame rail attachment points and find that
>the brackets on the frame are too far forward.  Check on my '67 HT parts car
>and  the frame mounting brackets are very long, and very different than the
>little short jobs on my convert. Trans mount/crossmember looks the same.
>
>Am I missing something? Seems very unlike GM to build a frame that would need
>special welding to accept a different trans--especially as because what I'm
>installiing is a box-stock equivalent of a '67 442 motor/trans combo.
>
>Don't know what motor or trans came in my CS originally--or even if it was a
>stick.
>
>Anybody out there run across this? Before I go welding onto the frame just
>want to make sure I'm not using the proper crossmember or some simple cure.
>Now, it looks like I've got to weld some new perches onto the frame rails
>~8-10" back from the ones I've got.
>
>CoupeKing
>Peter Sliskovich
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:10:55 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 Rallye 350's

At 09:10 PM 12/9/97 PST, you wrote:
Chris

        Helen Early has confirmed about a dozen W-31 Rallye 350's were made.
So they are out there. THere is a guy in the Rallye 350 club that is suppose
to have a real one with documentation.

Jim Chermack

>Hi All,
>A while back we had the discussion about Rallye 350's with the W-31 option
and their existence, which if I recall was that they didn't.  Well, I got
the Feb/Mar Muscle Car Review Sat and skimmed through it and noticed that
'Jim via Internet' asked this very question in the Post Exchange.  The
editor said they checked with Olds Club of America and they said Olds did
make "10 or 12"  So I'm wondering what the deal is.  Do they exist or not?
I suppose if I ever encountered one I would need solid factory
documentation, i.e build sheet, etc, to be a believer.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>chris@abcs.com
>
>1969 Cutlass W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:16:43 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: Power Tour

Reply to message from jev114@email.psu.edu of Tue, 09 Dec
>
>>Is anyone planning on participating in this years Power Tour.  The Olds
>>ratio last year was rather low, but of course the "quality not quantity"
>>idea could defend us.  If anyone is considering it, I highly recommend it.
>>Just make sure your car is able to cruise at 100MPH for sustained periods
>>of time through Nevada and other arid states.
>>
>i was considering the pocket rocket for this event myself. Maybe i could
>sneek up and lead the pack. 
>
>
>
  all I have to say is when and where :) a friend and I are trying to go
this year, more than likely i'll take my '87 , 350 or not i doubt i'll
finish restoring my 72 before then please keep me posted

- --
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:22:19 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Eugene wrote:
> 
> yes indeed the bench seat can sometimes be a mans best friend. I have two
> door delta and there no time to hassel with the back seat.

It's a LOT better than a Mustang II (Like I used to have) with split
rear seats (split with driveshaft tunnel) and bucket seats...  Those
hoods are pretty strong, but that's TMI...
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
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 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:06:22 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Re:'67 Delta

>It is understandable that an Olds would run into something slow - aren't
>they all; but what could run into  the back of a properly running Olds?

As with all my 'incidents' my car is always stationary when these things
occur!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:26:41 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Dave Ward wrote:

> > > the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
> > > seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)
> >
> > Ain't your D88 about the same deal as my 87 Cutlass???  That bench front
> > seat saves time from having to go into the back seat...  (Not impling
> > anything here either)
> 
> Smart *ss...

hahahaha...
 
> I meant that the car was comfortable during...uh...long drives...(yeah,
> that's it!)

Yeah, whatever you wanna call it...  I ain't dumb, I know the lingo! <G>
 
> (I originally meant that a big car (such as a D88 or CS) was comfortable
> for long road trips. It seems that the wrong idea was taken in,
> partially due to bad word choice.  It's still funny though...LOL)

True...  I had the chance to take a 97 4Dr Cutlass on a 2:30 hour one
way and 2:00 back trip yesterday...  Nice car to drive, REAL easy car to
not realize you are running in excess of 100MPH........  I-95 helps
too...  So does an 18wheeler REALLY huffing.  Thank god for radar
detectors, I thought I was only running about 70.  Til it beeped and I
noticed I wasn't at 75 anymore....  But I'd rather of driven my 87, it
has a better "road feel"

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:35:50 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)

Ray wrote:

> > http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83shith2.jpg
> >
> 
> HA HA!  What's with the antenna on the trunk, is that to a hook-up to
> charge your battery from Limerick Nuclear Power Plant?  A lightning pole?

Ray...  I thought you were smoother than that...  Granted it's an
el-cheapo antenna...  I recognize that in a heart beat...  That's for
the CB, or at least it looks to be...  The question is, if he's sunk SO
much into the stereo, what kinda setup is in front of the CB...

I am not innocent of the antenna deal myself...  I've got a Wilson 1000
Trunk Lip, but I also have the goods to use it...  Galaxy 66V, and until
a few weeks ago, a Texas Star 350 (last 350's said to roll outta Texas
Star)  I USED the antenna...  <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:39:24 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

They have no idea what it's like to drive a nice
>American V8 real wheeldrive car.  

Kind of makes me want to drive one of my non-rusty trusty hippy generation
cars over there so you can *REALLY* show them.  Sorry, couldn't resist.

But it reminds me that as you are making your way through the car world,
you have to go with what you can afford to buy at the time.  I mean, when I
started out I could just barely pay $1700 for my '67 C/S.  Just like I
could barely afford the 3K+ for the Delta.  Its all relative.  i'd like to
go out and replace my '67 C/S but haven't found one in my price range (darn
junkyard just wouldn't part with the thing....joking).

Who knows, maybe once your out of school, older, etc., you'll have the
means to get that '71 and then you'll always fondly remember *starting out*
with your '87.

Relax, if you like it, that's all that matters.  

Lisa (Almost Prehistoric) Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass  (330 power)
'66 Toronado (425 power)
'67 Delta 88 (425 power)
'69 Toronado (455 power)
'72 Vista Cruiser (350 power)
Take your pick.

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:44:24 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Listening to Hendrix today I was reminded one of my favorites of his is
"Highway Child".  I normally only listen to *vintage* music in my VC but I
have been known to sneak in a little of that newer stuff (Metallica, Ozzy,
etc.) shhhhh, don't tell the VC its not as old as it is!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:45:31 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: H/O parts

Got this message off my page - know nothing about these parts, etc.

83/84 hurst olds factory hood scoop
NEW asking $200.00 obo
call (419)538-6386 Toledo,OH


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:52:48 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks to all.

>Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo

Oh, I see our little *present* made it over there.  We got 7 inches in one
day.  How are y'all doing?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:48:54 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

Wow, you guys must be short or something - I've never met a bench seat that
was long enough for the men I've known (or really myself either being
5'10")....!  Joking.  Actually I recall my '67 C/S back seat was smaller
then my '64's.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:32:58 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The Sounds of Being Young(er)

>Let's get some real sounds rolling.  Find a straight stretch of 8 lane
>road, the aforementioned 64 442, 64 GTO, 64 1/2 Mustang, one of the
>Chrysler Corp hi-pos.....

Oh this reminds me of my brother in law's stories (he's 10 + yrs. older
then me and started out with Hemi's  - he's a Mopar man)

He and his buddies used to go over to Las Vegas , swapping out their
low(er) gear rear ends for highway gear rearends (when they broke one at a
drag race they swapped out another 8 3/4"  out of a parked car in the
parking lot to get them home...).  They'd go over and party & gamble - then
tear out of Vegas so the cops would chase them and the game was reaching
the California line before the cops could catch them (in the days of Police
Pursuit motors this had to have been  fun)  That was the early-mid '60's.
He tells all kinds of stories like that.  Sigh.

If you find that time machine - call me.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:59:17 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Jerry Christopher and others,

I think we all love great driving tunes. My favorites are those I would listen
to on cross country trips in my 57 during the late 70's. Nation-wide, Driving
all night with my hands hard on the wheel, dream weaving, in my cheap
sunglasses. 
I don't know about you guys but some of my purest moments of enjoyment and
solitude with my Olds were on such trips by myself, hot summer nights, all
windows rolled down, 8-track stereo cranked, cruising 80 mph effortlessly, as
only a big block,solid Olds can do.
Come on admit it, haven't you on such occasions pulled into a deserted rest
stop,
left the engine running and the lights on, stepped back from your car to
admire it.
Then was when you were hooked, destined to be a car guy for life. Always
imagining that every car you passed, left occupants startled and envious by
the sound of your thundering dual exhaust as you had timed the gear shift
right next to their windows that surely had rattled the glass.
Sorry guys, I guess I kind of snpped there for a minute, kind of like Barry
Newman in "Vanishing Point" only an Olds is a better ride than his Dodge
Challenger.
Anyway, for the music we love, check out a new CD called Easyiders Vol. 1.
Foghat, Deep Purple, Foreigner, Bad Co., Doobies, and many more with great
driving tunes.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2
49 F-1
"Your Daddy Bought Yours, I Built Mine"
      copyright 1975

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:12:56 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 6sp\442, dist cap

In a message dated 97-12-09 18:27:53 EST, you write:

<< there was an article in hot rod or pop hot rod or r&c about an install of
 a t-56?  >>
just thought id add this in.  i ran my '78 cutlass with a 355 in a drag racing
program recently with a 6 speed tranny just for kicks.  heh, i hooked up my
280 or so hp engine with the tranny and 5.68 gears and it ran 12.94 @ 103
miles per hour!!!  ha ha ha!!  what a blast!!!

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:21:33 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: The Sounds of Being Young(er)

> 
> He and his buddies used to go over to Las Vegas , swapping out their
> low(er) gear rear ends for highway gear rearends (when they broke one at a
> drag race they swapped out another 8 3/4"  out of a parked car in the
> parking lot to get them home...).  They'd go over and party & gamble - then
> tear out of Vegas so the cops would chase them and the game was reaching
> the California line before the cops could catch them (in the days of Police
> Pursuit motors this had to have been  fun)  That was the early-mid '60's.
> He tells all kinds of stories like that.  Sigh.
> 
> If you find that time machine - call me.

I out ran a couple cops when I was in high school (with my '72 Buick),  TALK ABOUT A 
RUSH!!  got caught once by a deputy   I stopped because I was worried about a overpass 
being icey   deputy said I topped out his radar gun (he said it only went to 99)  he 
wrote me a reckless ticket, judge later threw it out (I was SO lucky)  I still have the 
ticket it said "drove stated vehicle at a speed well over 90 mph"     

one thing I always liked about my t*y*ta was I could shut off the head lights and just 
pull back the turn signal/high beam switch  got both hi & lo beams and no taillights!  
used the toy a couple times to hide from cops, but it was never as fun as running them 
on the highway!!

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 01:23:29 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Interior stuff

hey, do any of you guys have any ideas on what to do about the interiors in G-
bodies?  year one isnt selling anything that i know of for them yet.  :-(  my
'78's interior is getting downright embarrassing!!  i have a set of buckets,
console, shifter, mounts and all that stuff, and i have the right paint to
paint it all.  what i need is a new dashboard.  that sucker is on its last
leg.  some doorpanels would also be nice.  i can get carpet, i think, but i
also need weatherstripping.  geez, when will year one and the like realize
there is money in the G-bodies???

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 23:36:53 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

CCRR12 wrote:
> Come on admit it, haven't you on such occasions pulled into a deserted rest
> stop,
> left the engine running and the lights on, stepped back from your car to
> admire it.

STILL DO!!

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:03:10 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!) funny though

In a message dated 97-12-09 23:50:44 EST, you write:

<< well how about 4 cylinder 4 valves per cylinder 2 cams == 442 >>
NEVER!!!!!!!!
Bernie
2 67 a-bodies
1 86 Salon
1 69 Mach 1 390

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:04:21 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold gaskets..yes they are!!

Just be patient, they will tighten OK.
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 03:08:45 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

In a message dated 97-12-10 02:54:29 EST, you write:

<< 
 I would envision the song mentioning the year of the car, and that can be a
 whole new can of worms on this list.  What year 442 should the song be
 about?  As I see it, it would have to be 60's or very early 70's.  Back in
 the days when a teenager actually could save their pennies and buy a new car.
  >>
They made other 442's beside 67???? hee hee heeeeeeee!!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 07:00:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: carb. fix info./ for all list!

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, padavano.joe wrote:
>      The threads in the pot metal carb casting are notorious for stripping 
>      out.  When mine do, I usually install one of these self-tapping nuts, 
>      then throw away the OEM filter and use a larger in-line fuel filter 
>      spliced into the fuel line.  As I said, it isn't 100% original, but it 
>      saves wear and tear on the carb threads as well as providing better 
>      filtration from the larger filter.

This makes me wonder... the service manual talks about diagnosing a 
flooding problem and points to the in-the-carb fuel filter as one of the 
possible causes. If you aren't running a filter in the carb, won't this 
cause flooding?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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