
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, December 15 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1011



New Archives available
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass
New G Body Discussion Topic...
Re: The one that got away
Withdrawal symptoms
Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?
re: Quad 4 Ignition
Re: $85 valve covers?
Re: Intake Manifold Question
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: power tour /top speed limiters
Re: Olds Pic's for computer wallpaper
Re: Gasket Questions
Fusick Automotive :)
Re: Question about HEI Dstrbtrs
Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'
Re: 72 Cutlass
Re: 72 Cutlass
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: Old Racer's Trick
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: 4V heads
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Sad Rad
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Clutch problems.
Testing....
Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?
FWD Transaxles
Re: Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?
Re: New G Body Discussion Topic...
Re: 68 442 original motor
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
91 Q4 and 86 442 Christmas Present
Re: Old Racer's Trick
Re: Intro and Olds 350 questions
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
How do I drop the gastank
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: Question about HEI Dstrbtrs
Re: 68 442 original motor
Re: The one that got away
Re: 68 442 original motor
Re: Tires & such
License Plate ideas...
Re: How do I drop the gastank

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:59:28 -0600
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: New Archives available

Just in time for Christmas, the new set of Olds Mailing List
archives are now available from my web site.  This zip
file covers Digests 900 thru 999, bringing us up to a
thousand (!) digests.

get them at:  http://www.calcon.net/~easton

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:03:44 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Jerry Christopher asks:

> I am wondering if I am totally insane when I do this, but I'll ask
> anyway, heck the mental hospital is only a few minutes from here...
> 
> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?

Jus' see muh .sig....



Tim (To Keep Sane Around here, Ya Hafta Do Crazy Things!) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: WTB '73 Cutlass

Anyone want to sell this fellow a '73? Contact him directly... not on 
the list.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	big-m@mediaone.net
Subject: Searching for 73 Cutlass

Hi,
 I have had a 74 88 Royale Convertible since new! But am looking for a
73 Cutlass to restore.
Regards,
George

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:16:20 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: New G Body Discussion Topic...

Just for the sake of discussion, heres a question I've been 
wondering...I know the FAQ's have a chart on this but hey...
To turn a 307 in a hell machine, what exactly would you personally do?
Would it be beneficial to find a set of heads from a 330-403(can't 
remember types) and put them on a 307, or would it kill what little 
compression the 307 already has, or is a 5A head the best thing you 
could put on one...I had an engine builder tell me he could get a 307 up 
to 300hp...it would also cost me $2500! Just wanted to know what all you 
guys would do...this is all hypothetical, so go to town with it!



  John Stolarski
'86 Cutlass Supreme
 The "Black Mariah"


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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 07:21:42 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
> 
> I live in Garland Texas & I keep seeing this little old lady driving this
> gorgeous 71 442, Lime green, white interior, white stripes...and...a
> hairnet!
> 
> Is that an original color combo? I haven't ever heard of a Lime green 71.

What color is the hairnet? :-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 09:47:11 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Withdrawal symptoms

     How do you guys and gals on digest do it?  I had to uns*bscr*be from 
     the list temporarily over the weekend due to a server change here at 
     work and was forced to get my fix of the list through the digest on 
     rocketmail.  It's definitely tough.  Fortunately, I'm back real-time 
     now.  My hat's off to people like Chris W.; the delay is bad enough, 
     but responding is a real pain.  Then, of course, I think Chris is 
     using something like an Atari 5200 to read his email anyway!  ;-)
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:35:31 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?

Here's a tip from a racing buddy of mine...use a gasket adhesive instead of
gasket material or silicone, this will hold the gasket (I like good Fel-Pro
cork) in place and prevent the gasket creeping when torqued down. The
silicon will act as a lubricrant and the gasket will move!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv-Dallas




mrhell@sprynet.com on 12/13/97 11:26:17 AM

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Subject:  Cork Vs. Rubber ?




BBRRRRRRRR! Winter is here in MI!  Time to put on those "new looking,
stock" valve covers I bought via this list!  :)
My question, what type of valve cover gaskets should I use? Cork or
Rubber?  Obviously, I don't want ANY leaks, (who does?).  I don't know
what type are on there now, but they sure don't leak.  :)
A while back, someone on the list said to use a little "gasket material"
on the covers only to make the gasket stick.  This was said to make for
an easier installation.  Sounds good to me, I'll try it.  Since I
haven't done this type of work for about 12 years I feel I'm a little
rusty.  ANY help, suggestions, tips or "don't do that's" anyone can give
is greatly appreciated!  BTW, it's a 455 with a/c.
Once I complete this job, I'd like to sell the chrome valve covers that
are currently on my car.  Both are in EC without rubber grommets.  $85.
for the pair. Shipping included.
- --
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:08:30 -0500
From: Meyer Stolberg <meyer@highsoftny.com>
Subject: re: Quad 4 Ignition

><no ignition wires in the way>
>
>The Quad 4 has direct ignition - i.e. the coils are mounted directly to the
>plugs with no wires.  One problem if I recall is that the plastic cover
>that the coils are mounted in (the one that says "Quad 4") typically cracks
>after many miles causing misfires.
>
>Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
>Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com

This just happened to me last month.

I could not find a crack in the plastic, but my neighbor told me 
that a "dielectric failure" occurred in the plastic.  (He was
formerly an electrical engineer at AC Delco)


Meyer Stolberg
1991 Olds Calais W-41
1996 Ch*vy K1500 Z71

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:18:02 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: $85 valve covers?

Amen, I just bought a set of Chrome covers with beautiful Olsdmobile script
logo & rockets engraved in a brushed gold panel with grommets, breather &
the coolest stud/bolt combo you've ever seen for $70 from a guy in
Arlington Texas...J.R. Helm @ 817-261-6843

Scott Wheeler
68442 Conv-Dallas





wittchri@pilot.msu.edu on 12/13/97 03:09:42 PM

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Subject:  $85 valve covers?




Once I complete this job, I'd like to sell the chrome valve covers that
are currently on my car.  Both are in EC without rubber grommets.  $85.
for the pair. Shipping included.
RC Hellebuyck
===============
Is that a typo?
Seems a bit steep to me.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:25:50 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Question

Erik,

I'll send this one to you too...
Here's a tip from a racing buddy of mine...use a gasket adhesive instead of
gasket material or silicone, this will hold the gasket (I like good Fel-Pro
cork) in place and prevent the gasket creeping when torqued down. The
silicon will act as a lubricrant and the gasket will move!

Hey, got another Performer for a 455 you want to sell?

I WANT ONE!!! but I don't want to pay the $250 everybody wants for a new
one!
Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv-Dallas





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Hi,
I'm planning on replacing the gaskets and seals on my '72 Cutlass.  I
have the edelbrock Performer manifold on there and I have a couple
questions.
Should I put any sealer on the gaskets?  The instructions say yes, but
two different mechanics tell me no, and they say just to put in at the
end of the seals.
Also, the torque sequence in my manual says to start with the outside
bolts and work in.  But the two mechanics tell me to start with the
inside bolts and then work out.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Erik Badzinski

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:26:27 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?

My '78 winter beater is called "Rusty".  Because it is, and because that's
what color the original paint (what's left of it) is too.

The '78 truck (Olds 350 powered) was named "Bessie" by my fiance'.  Kinda
like an old, frumpy, but imminently reliable milk cow.  Always gets the job
done, and she says it steers a bit like a pregnant cow too sometimes, but
she wouldn't give up her big truck for anything.

Haven't got a good name for the '84 H/O yet, we usually just call it "The
Hurst".

My previous '79 Cutlass was called "Kermit".  Because both the interior and
exterior were Kermit-the-frog green.  I miss that car, wish I could trade
my '78 for it.  I had to sell it though to pay off some other debts to
afford payments on my Hurst.  It was in perfect shape, and only 10k on the
rebuilt engine (A gutless 260, but perfect for winter driving).  I still
see it driving around town from time to time.  They're *not* taking good
care of it.  Dent in the rear, side impact molding half gone, half swinging
in the breeze, 2 hubcaps missing, etc.  Sigh.  Count this as my "one that
got away".
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:32:00 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: power tour /top speed limiters

Hi Everyone....

The discussion about the Power Tour really interests me.  I even caught Hot
Rod TV on TNN this weekend.  They did a nice bit on it.  It looks really
fun!

I don't know what car I would take.  The W-30 is out because the low gears
would be hard on the motor at 100 plus MPH. I would probably take the Toro
GT, or (If they would let me) the Seville STS.

Which leads to my next question......

Has anyone had any experience with the top-speed limiters that GM installs
on the newer fuel injected cars?  My Seville cuts out at 115 MPH.  The
first time I experienced this it really scared me.  It is like someone
shuts off the ignition key and turns it back on.  The tach drops off and
kicks back up.  It is a strange feeling.  My '89 Calais Quad 4 did this,
and my '88 Cutlass Supreme 2.8 multiport V-6 did it too.  I talked to some
guys at the local dealership and they said that 90 percent of the cars made
by GM have this speed limiter chip.
The Corvette, and F-bodies and Caddy Northstars don't have limiters supposedly.

Can this limiter be removed?  I would love to get the "true" top end out of
my car.  It is still pulling hard at 115 when the limiter kicks in. It
would be fun to cruise Montana or Nevada "Topped out".

I also heard that Chrysler has rpm limiters whereas GM has speed limiters.
100 MPH on trucks and 114 on cars.

Any input on these limiters would be appreciated!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:44:22 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Olds Pic's for computer wallpaper

Ditto,
I did this on my Monster mac, I have a collage of some 40 pics off 442.com,
too cool!

Scott Wheeler
68 442
Dallas




tjwilli@Megavision.com on 12/14/97 10:42:15 PM

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Subject:  Olds Pic's for computer wallpaper




Hi All,
   I was changing my background on my computer tonight for the heck of
it and decided to use Brycemans Oldsmobile page to put a nice picture of
and Oldsmobile as my wallpaper. If you do not know how to do this and
are interested, you just need to go to Brycemans page (if you so choose
any of the Oldsmobiles in the registry) pull up a picture of your
favorite Oldsmobile if yours is not there or if you do not have a
scanner to scan your own picture in. After you have pulled up your
favorite picture right click your mouse one time (not twice) and
highlight Wallpaper and wha-la you now have a nice background on your
Win 95 Computer.
P.S. You will not notice the picture on your computer until you back out
of or get out of your internet connection.
Tom

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:43:53 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Gasket Questions

The Haynes manual I have says to clean the entire bolt and dip in oil
before reinstalling.  I did this and used the torque sequence given there
too.

I've done two of these so far, one 260 and one 307, both with aluminum
intakes.  Both have held up fine.  I use the fel-pro "turkey tray" gasket,
and use the supplied brush tack (around intake ports) and supplied RTV
silicone (around water ports).  I use the rubber end gaskets, but put a
dollop of blue RTV in each corner before installing them.

The intake ports are the bigger ones, there's 4 per side, rectangular
shaped.

Oh, and someone else asked about valve cover gaskets.  I recommend the
rubber ones, install them dry and don't overtorque your bolts.  I used the
rubber ones in my Hurst/Olds and they haven't leaked since (2+ years with
synthetic oil!).  I replaced the ones on my fiance's 350 with the cork
ones, and they're leaking again after a year.  Gonna use rubber ones there
this time.  The biggest tip I can give for valve cover gaskets (besides
clean both surfaces real good!) is to look at the area around the bolt
holes when you take them off.  I'll bet it's slightly dented in from
people over-torquing them.  Place the lip of the valve cover upside down
over the edge of your workbench and gently tap the area around the hole
down flat again with a hammer.  You wouldn't believe how dented the ones
on my '78 Cutlass were, no wonder it was leaking oil like a sieve (well,
it is a Ch*vy engine, so that may also have something to do with it :-) ).

Erik wrote:

> How do I tell the difference between the intake ports and the water
> ports?
>
> Also, one of the mechanics told me before I torque the bolts down, put
> oil on the threads.  He said if I dont I wont get an accurate torque
> reading.  But in my Chiltons Olds manual, it tells me if I put oil on
> the threads that I WILL get an inacurrate reading.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:56:06 EST
From: Two72W30S <Two72W30S@aol.com>
Subject: Fusick Automotive :)

I am telling a story to all about Mr. Mike Fusick and Dave Jackson.

I ordered bucket seat covers to revamp my seats.  The only difference
is that the buttons stick out more than the original buttons.  This causes
the button to break off more easily since it isnt sunk in the seat.  So I
called
Fusick if they could order me two buttons for my saddle brown interior. 
Dave said he could get them and he was sorry for the way the material was
made, but thats all is availible these days.  Year One also has these
problems.

My praise comes in the form that he said he will send me 4 buttons and he will
send them to me for free.  He picks up the cost and the shipping.  This tells
me he appreciates my business and is willing to work with his Oldsmobile
customers.  So I am recommending them to everybody.  If you need restoration
parts, buy them from  FUSICK.

Thanks MARK PRINCE
W MACHINES
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
Two72W30s@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:59:33 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Question about HEI Dstrbtrs

In my opinion, if you're going to use the MSD Super HEI kit, you might as
well just get a stock GM distributor.  Since you're using a different coil,
and the MSD box replaces the HEI module too, your distributor's only
purpose in life is spark advance and a cap/rotor.  Why pay all that money
for a performance distributor and then bypass all the good parts?  I would
recommend getting a good quality cap/rotor, like the Accel ones with brass
terminals.  You can also get spark advance kits for about $7-$8 from
Supershops to tune your centrifugal advance.

Matt Cremean wrote:

> I'm planning on buying an HEI distributor. Now comes the question:
>
> Which should I buy?
> I'm looking at Accel's $200 HEI
> or
> GM's HEI ($$???)
>
> I plan on using MSD's Super HEI kit with it. 6A ignition box, Blaster 2
> coil. Does MSD make an HEI dist.?

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:09:00 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'

The song's about an extremely rare car called an nicknamed the 455
Rocket...

Anybody know what the car is? Seen the video...Baby blue...4 door I think.

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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Subject:  Music for driving 455 Olds'




Talked to my sister yesterday who is into country western music.
She played this song for me over the phone which had a lot of
lyrics about "the love for and travelin in my 455....."
Had an uppaced beat and sounded pretty good.  Think those of you
who like country and have a 4-4-2 or 455 Olds will kike it.  Those
of you with nice stereos will probably crank this one way up.
     By Kathy Mattea  and  it's called LOVE TRAVELS
Not sure if that's the album or track name
Gary Andresen
'55 Olds "Sleeper"
Pleasanton, CA
Home - gandresen@ibm.net (Weekends only)
Work - gandresen@altigen.com (Arrives at desk automatically)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:21:35 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass

What did you say the guys phone number is...name...

jus kiddin...sounds good, buy it, fix it drive it!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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Subject:  72 Cutlass




I would like to find out from some of the expert oldsmobile people on the
list if a 72 cutlass, 350, 2bbl, auto trans, a/c, power steering,brakes,58k
actual miles, 2dr hard top,no dents one spot about the size of a half
dollar
of rust on rt rear at wheel well, good looking car with vinyl top. The man
wants $1,800 for it would I go wrong to buy it?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:22:36 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass

What did you say the guys name & phone number was?...
Jus kiddin...buy it, fix it, drive it!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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Subject:  72 Cutlass




I would like to find out from some of the expert oldsmobile people on the
list if a 72 cutlass, 350, 2bbl, auto trans, a/c, power steering,brakes,58k
actual miles, 2dr hard top,no dents one spot about the size of a half
dollar
of rust on rt rear at wheel well, good looking car with vinyl top. The man
wants $1,800 for it would I go wrong to buy it?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:01:13 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

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Hey T.H.,
An Olds guy in OK.? What hi-school? What year did you graduate?
I knew most olds guys in the OKC/Edmond/Moore/Norman areas in Hi-school

Scott Wheeler John Marshall '83
(High school car)71 Cutlass S Maroon/White Stripe...primer hood...gold
Cragars...butt in the air!
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:02:13 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

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Hey T.H.,
An Olds guy in OK.? What hi-school? What year did you graduate?
I knew most olds guys in the OKC/Edmond/Moore/Norman areas in Hi-school

Scott Wheeler John Marshall '83
(High school car)71 Cutlass S Maroon/White Stripe...primer hood...gold
Cragars...butt in the air!
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:53:39 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Old Racer's Trick

In a message dated 97-12-15 02:40:49 EST, you write:

<< 
 I generally use the goo supplied with the gasket on the air/fuel passages,
the
 tiniest film of rtv on the coolant seals, and a smidgen of rtv at the end of
 the end rail gaskets. If the end rail gaskets tries to squeeze out, it gets
 replaced by the bead of RTV. I torque as the OLDS service manual says. Go in
 steps, like barely snug, snugger, correct tork, then again until all read
 correct tork w/ no more turning. Also, Permatex Aviation #3H is good for the
 air/fuel passages.
   Some folks claim that AL intakes and steel shim gaskets lead to failure,
but
 maybe they're Chevy mechanics who use too much RTV, only one color, and
tighten
 in the wrong sequence. Others here have said that they find good success with
 steel gaskets and the above sealers & methods.
   Do a dry test fit first, of course.
 --
 Chris  B. Witt >>

I use the same basic method as you.  I DO use the end rail gaskets (with a dab
of RTV on the ends where things meet up on the side).  I also use Perma-Tex
high tack spray (I believe that's the name for it) around the intake ports,
and then use RTV around the water ports.  I've used this on the stock (cast
iron) manifold, and a Performer manifold (aluminum), and had good results with
both types.  It hasn't leaked a drop.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:08:46 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Was that her original hair color combo?
;)

Drew Walz
DREW RACING
- ----------
> I live in Garland Texas & I keep seeing this little old lady driving this
> gorgeous 71 442, Lime green, white interior, white stripes...and...a
> hairnet!
> 
> Is that an original color combo? I haven't ever heard of a Lime green 71.
> 
> Scott Wheeler
> 68 442 Conv-Garland/Dallas
 

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:02:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

- ---Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
>
> 
> I live in Garland Texas & I keep seeing this little old lady driving
this
> gorgeous 71 442, Lime green, white interior, white stripes...and...a
> hairnet!

Must be one of those "Hairy" Olds':-)


==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:05:45 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 4V heads

In a message dated 97-12-15 01:53:07 EST, you write:

<< =========================
 Uhm, must be a typo, I get that 2x 1.4" valves is just under HALF the flow
area
 of the single 2.8" valve. 'Course we need to subtract TWO valve stem areas
from
 the former and one slightly larger from the latter...
 
 One other thing to mention about the 4V heads is the 2x cost when it comes
time
 to buy new ones or have a valve job done... Like most hi-tech advancements,
 GREAT while working, sucks when needs service.
 --
 Chris  B. Witt >>

Yes,  did make that "Correction" to someone else had noticed.  I thought I had
also mentioned the extra cost involved in these set-ups.  Not only when
rebuilding (as you mention), but during first assembly (what, ya think you'll
get TWICE AS MANY VALVES, etc,  for free?  :).....)  Of course, the two stems,
compared to one is valid also.  Though you may make up some of this when
comparing longevity of the entire valvetrain (that was increased due to the
reductions that can be made to the lift, and opening (as in speed) of the
valve.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:14:56 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Project Power Wagon
1977 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser station wagon
350 c.i. Chevy with nitrous oxide injection

By the way, does anyone have any tail lights for this 1977?  Also, does
anyone have an extra blower motor relay they want to sell?  It is the one
that mounts to the area by the blower motor out by the fire wall.  It has a
metal shell and a harness plugs into it.

Thanks,

Drew Walz
DREW RACING

- ----------
> From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
> Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 10:03 AM
> 
> 
> Jerry Christopher asks:
> 
> > I am wondering if I am totally insane when I do this, but I'll ask
> > anyway, heck the mental hospital is only a few minutes from here...
> > 
> > Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
> 
> Jus' see muh .sig....
> 
> 
> 
> Tim (To Keep Sane Around here, Ya Hafta Do Crazy Things!) Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: 15 Dec 1997 13:14:48 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Sad Rad

OL>got to be better than what was in there though. Anyone have any idea what
OL>this extra fitting might possibly be used for?

It sounds like a heater hose return ala GM pick ups.  In their infinite
wisdom, the engineers decided to return the coolant from the heater core
back to the radiator instead of the engine.  This manages to defeat the
thermostat somewhat during warm ups by allowing more coolant to
recirculate than the normal bypass hose allows.  The engine does not
reach operating temperature as quickly and the heater does not put out
heat as soon either.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:23:49 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: The one that got away

I think it was a lovely shade of Puce...




mrada@catalina-inter.net on 12/15/97 09:21:42 AM

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Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
>
> I live in Garland Texas & I keep seeing this little old lady driving this
> gorgeous 71 442, Lime green, white interior, white stripes...and...a
> hairnet!
>
> Is that an original color combo? I haven't ever heard of a Lime green 71.
What color is the hairnet? :-)
Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:36:33 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: The one that got away

God...have you guys thought about a career in stand-up!!!

I had no idea I'd start such a string of one-liners...thanx for the
chuckles...

Scott Wheeler John Marshall '83
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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- ---Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
>
>
> I live in Garland Texas & I keep seeing this little old lady driving
this
> gorgeous 71 442, Lime green, white interior, white stripes...and...a
> hairnet!
Must be one of those "Hairy" Olds':-)

==
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69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
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Date: 15 Dec 1997 13:37:00 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Clutch problems.

Chris wrote,
OL>The clutch in my '68 442 is acting up once the car gets warm.  The
OL>clutch is about 1 1/2 years old and is a Hays performance clutch.  It
OL>will work fine until the car is up to normal operating temps and then
OL>from a dead start the car will jump a lot as I am slowly releasing the
OL>clutch.  This doesn't happen if the car has any forward momentum.  I
OL>haven't adjusted it since I installed it and I'm not sure if it needs it
OL>either.  Any tips or ideas are welcome.

Clutch chatter is usually caused by past abuse of the clutch.  I know
you or I would never be hard on the clutch in our 4-4-2s :-)  What has
happened is, at some point the temp. of the clutch, flywheel, and
pressure plate have been a little extreme causing the flywheel to become
glazed and/or checked.  This causes the disc to grab instead of smoothly
slipping during engagement.  As you said, this does not happen between
gear changes, only from dead starts.  That is because you let the clutch
out very quickly when changing gears, unlike a slower release from a
stop.  I bet if you brought the engine up and dumped the clutch like you
would on the strip, you would not get the chattering.  You have two
options, first you can drop the clutch out and have the flywheel
resurfaced and replace any worn parts at that time, or you can release
the clutch quicker to avoid the chatter.  And by the way, you don't have
to intentionally abuse the clutch for this to occur.
Slipping it excessively while taking off on a hill or any other heat
inducing activity will cause this problem over time.

Been there, done that, have the T-shirt!
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:43:33 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Testing....

Just testing to see if I am still logged on the olds list.


Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:44:13 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?

' 72 Cutlass 442, 350 4bbl (51K non-original miles)

Opinions greatly appreciated


What about Slick50 products or those similar?


Thanks in advance

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:25:27 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: FWD Transaxles

Forwarding this from the DIY EFI list.  Thought it may be of some interst to
thoes of you with the Quad 4 and FWD variety cars.  Basically a guy on the
EFI list forwarded this info from a Fiero list.  
- --Greg Pruett---

>From: Sketch <sketch@r34h11.res.gatech.edu>
>Subject: FWD Transaxles
>
>> Somewhere I have a article with GM about the Getrag transaxle. If I
>> remember it correctly, the Getrag was spec'd something like 200ft-lbs for
>> warranty, 350ft-lbs in reality and 500 before destruction.
>
>Here's something someone posted to the Fiero list which might be
>interesting...
>---
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:17:49 -0800
>From: Gary Ohst <garyo@globalpac.com>
>To: fiero-list@fiero.org
>Subject: (Fiero) Performance Transaxle (Long)
>
>Here is some more info on the Getrag and some on the Isuzu.  Research
>continues.  Warning: There are a few opinions in this post, so please
>don't believe them :).
>
>The only other factual Getrag strength information I have found is on
>the Oldsmobile mail list FAQ page.  The same Fiero and FWD GM Getrag
>transaxle used three different designations.  The HydraMatic 282
>(HM282), the 5TM40, and most recently the NVT550 when New Venture Gear
>(GM/Chrysler joint venture) took over production in 1991.  The Olds FAQ
>page states it is rated at 200 ft. lbs. torque and 7,000 rpm max. input
>shaft speed.  The Getrag is built on a 75mm input-shaft to counter-shaft
>centerline distance, just like the Isuzu.
>
>I have not found any torque ratings on the Isuzu.  I have e-mail from
>Isuzu on this topic and all they could tell me was it was manufactured
>by Jatco, go ask them.  I'm still working on this.  It would be
>interesting to compare the "rated" torque of these two units just to get
>some idea of the relative strength differences.  Not opinions, but
>actual numbers.  It has already been proven that the "rated" numbers can
>be exceeded.
>
>Another transaxle option might be the Getrag Gears of America
>manufactured HM284, a higher strength version of the more common Muncie
>manufactured HM282.  The case was beefed up, but the centerline
>distance, which relates to the maximum gear diameter you can stuff in
>there, is still 75mm.  With gear diameters being limited, the gears were
>made wider to add strength.  As a result, the internal bellhousing area
>had to be reduced.  These units use a special low-profile clutch that
>*pulls* on the diaphragm fingers.  Also, sometime in 1991 GM changed
>over to hydraulic throw-out bearings for both the HM284 and newer
>versions of NVT550.  The rare HM284s were only offered 1991-1993 behind
>the 3.4 liter, 24-valve V6 engine in W-cars: Lumina Z34, Cutlass Supreme
>and Grand Prix.  I have no torque stats on the HM284, just comments by
>Rick at A.C.E. that they are about 30 percent stronger.  If anybody
>finds a HM284, please contact me :).  
>
>Chrysler has continued to tinker with the basic Getrag designed NVT550. 
>There was a NVT650 version and most recently a NVT750 was designed in
>1996.  It is a higher strength version still using the 75 mm shaft
>spacing and overall package size. SAE technical paper #962164 discusses
>this new transaxle.  Torque capacity is stated at 290 N-m or about 215
>ft. lbs.  They use wider gears, finer gear teeth, high grade materials
>and better bearings to increase strength and reduce gear noise. 
>Shifting is also improved.  These are mini-van transaxles with a
>Chrysler bellhousing pattern.  The other problem is they are only being
>sold in the European ECC market in mini-vans using 2.4 liter gas and 2.4
>liter turbo-diesel motors.  Anybody know if they have pic-a-part yards
>in Europe?  I have some New Venture Gear NVT750 spec sheets on the way,
>so additional application info is forthcoming.
>
>Another option might be the 1988-1989 Beretta FWD HM282 Getrag which
>came with an aluminum intermediate shaft extension housing.  Because of
>torque steer generated by unequal length axles in the front, GM added an
>intermediate extension shaft on the long axle side.  This setup splits
>the long axle into two sections, a fixed inner or intermediate portion
>and CV jointed outer portion.  Also, the intermediate shaft adds an
>extra axle bearing in the motor mount area.  The outer axles shafts are
>now the same length and exhibit similar joint friction (torque loss)
>characteristics as they flex during steering and suspension movement.
>1988-89 used an intermediate shaft enclosed in a aluminum extension
>housing. This housings adds additional rigidity between the differential
>case portion of the transaxle and the engine motor mount.  1990+
>Berettas used an open air shaft and separate motor mount bearing pillow
>block, so no extra case to motor mount rigidity is introduced... 
>beancounter engineering.
>
>The Beretta intermediate shaft and housing will separate from the
>standard Getrag case, so you might be able to add these items onto other
>Getrags.  The extension housing mounts to the case using the three holes
>surrounding the long-side axle seal.  The outer end fastens to a
>modified motor mount bracket.
>
>The equal length issue is not as important on the Fiero as there is no
>steering induced CV joint friction.  IMO, (sorry, more opinions) the
>main benefit from this setup is the rigidity added by the 1988-89
>aluminum extension housing.  Correcting suspension movement CV friction
>differences is one of those marginal improvements that, when combined
>with others, begins to add up.
>
>Off-list conversations with those that broke Getrags ( one road racer
>with a Webster/Getrag & one drag racer with a standard Getrag) indicate
>case strength problems in the differential carrier housing area. Another
>road racer indicates no problems with a Webster/Getrag.  Also, one
>individual e-mailed me off-list after my last post and indicated he has
>no Getrag problems with his 450hp V8 in the production space frame.  It
>is a very well mounted V8 installation from his description.  Draw your
>own conclusions.
>
>Just sharing some research, a few facts and ideas.  If I am missing
>anything please let me know.  On the clutch stuff, I have resigned
>myself to saving up for a dual disc Tilton or Quartermaster. I hear the
>parts will interchange.  This is a long one, so edit your reply.
>
>Gary

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:29:37 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?

I personally think if you just keep your oil changed every 2000 miles
you'll be fine, without spending a chunk on goop!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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' 72 Cutlass 442, 350 4bbl (51K non-original miles)
Opinions greatly appreciated

What about Slick50 products or those similar?

Thanks in advance

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 14:18:12 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: New G Body Discussion Topic...

To turn a 307 in a hell machine, what exactly would you personally do?

     Jack up the oil filler cap and drive a 455 under it.

..I had an engine builder tell me he could get a 307 up to 300hp...it 
would also cost me $2500!

     About the cost of a 400 HP big block!
     
     Seriously, if you don't want to or can't go for the big block swap 
     due to cost/smog inspections/whatever, at least upgrade to a 403, or 
     at minimum, a 350.  There is no substitute for cubic inches, except 
     rectangular dollars.  In the long run, the larger engine will 
     provide equivalent or more horsepower (and more importantly, torque) 
     than a built small motor with considerably less stress on the 
     components - and thus less breakage and less cost.  Considering that 
     310 HP 350 4bbl engines were commonplace in Oldsmobiles, and that 
     this is a drop-in for the 307, why waste your time doing anything 
     else?
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:32:13 -0600
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 original motor

Speaking of original 68 motors...  While I was looking for a replacement
for my 70 455 I found a 68 455 2 barrel.  Are these rare?  It was in a
68 Delmont??? 88.  I almost bought it since it ran good and I could swap
my intake.  If anyone is interested it is at County Line Classics south
of Dallas.  he wanted 350 or 400 for the motor.

	Mike Schlottman
	70 442

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:26:01 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

- ---Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu> wrote:
What size bolt pattern was found on the '67 Deltas? I ask because the
factory promo shots show the car wearing SSII rims. So maybe there are
some prototypes around.

!!!!
Wish I could find a set of big bolt pattern SSII/IIIs (if they even
exist). They'd sure look neat on my 65 Delta! Of course small bolt
pattern wheels would fit a Jetstar 88 of similar vintage, those cars
having Cutlass-size brakes/running gear. Hey, I could always redrill
my drums and axles in the smaller pattern........naw, too much work :(
 Nice to think about though...

P.S. Betcha the Delta in the promo shot had Jetstar running gear. It
does look cool with the SSII wheels though. 

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  

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65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme





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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:48:19 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 91 Q4 and 86 442 Christmas Present

For someone that wants a nice Christmas present,  I found a site that
has the following cars for sale. I have nothing to gain from this, just
passing along the info. You can go to this site and do a search for Olds
and find a lot more cars like these.

http://onlineautos.com/


1991 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS CALAIS QUAD 442 W-40 $ 7900 
	Color: 	White	
	Interior: 	Burgundy	
	Miles: 	87300	
	Trans: 	5 Speed 	
	Engine:	4 Cyl 	
	Doors: 	2 	

A/C 
AM/FM 
Cassette 
P.Steering 
P.Locks 
	P.Windows 
Tilt 
Cruise 
ABS Brakes 
Alloy Wheels
		

1 Owner, all records. Stored winters, One of only 1364 W-40's produced.
Special Handling Package, RalleyGuage Cluster w/Digital Driver
Information System. 2.3 litre - 180hp 16 Valve High Output Quad 4
w/Multiport F.I. and Dual Overhead Cams, 160 lbs Torque, Getrag Close
ratio trans, 3:73 ratio, Rear Aero Wing, Power Antennae, Rear Defroster,
Last Year for the Calais and the W-40 Package! Great Mileage (30/35), No
dents, No Rust. This car is like new! delivery Possible.	
Contact: 
	Contact: David Bighia 
	Location: Omaha, NE 
	Phone: (402)292-2075 or (402)292-3329 
	Email: DBighia@aol.com 


1986 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS SUPREME 442 $ 6500 Or Best Offer 
	Color: 	Silver	
	Interior: 	Gray	
	Miles: 	98000	
	Trans: 	Automatic	
	Engine:	8 Cyl 	
	Doors: 	2 	

A/C 
AM/FM 
Cassette 
P.Steering 
P.Locks 
	P.Windows 
P.Seats 
Tilt 
Cruise 
Sun Roof 
		

442 option, numbers match, less than 2000 miles on rebuilt transmission,
3rd owner(bought from my brother), rare power sun roof, very rare fiber
optics, almost new Goodyear Eagle GTII tires, original Oldsmobile
cassette tape(music), 4 brand new-never mounted factory 442 wheels in
boxes, complete set of factory exterior decals, both factory electrical
and body service manuals, factory rear window defogger Note: The wheels
and decals (which may not be available now) cost me $1,300. They go with
the car and will NOT be sold seperate.	
Contact: 
	Contact: Roger Manemann 
	Location: New Carlisle, OH 
	Phone: (937)845-9688 
	Email: rogermanemann@sprintmail.com 

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:46:32 EST
From: Two72W30S <Two72W30S@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Old Racer's Trick

In a message dated 97-12-15 02:40:57 EST, you write:

<< Some folks claim that AL intakes and steel shim gaskets lead to failure,
but
 maybe they're Chevy mechanics who use too much RTV, only one color, and
tighten
 in the wrong sequence. Others here have said that they find good success with
 steel gaskets and the above sealers & methods.
   Do a dry test fit first, of course. >>

Well, I have found something worth adding my 2 cents worth.  I use the factory
W-30 alum intake on my car with the factory steel shim intake gasket. I have 
had the heads milled .060 and have not have had any problems with sealing.

I use the Copper Rtv around the water ports and in all four corners of the
intake.
I tork it to specs and add 5lbs more.  No leaks in three years.  I have also
done this to many of my friends and brothers engines over the years.  Using
cast and alum intakes of sizes and such.

Just my opinion.  

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
Two72W30s@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:55:36 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Intro and Olds 350 questions

Dude,

If you want to Autocross/Solo as long as you wear a helmet they'll let you
run, suspension mods are always a big help...shocks, bars, bushings etc...
but the object of the game is to have a good time! You really aren't going
fast enough to do any real damage, If it's your daily driver just be
careful, you know what you're rod is capable of so just don't push it
beyond.

Give it a shot...Solo events and Autocrosses are a blast whether you trophy
or not...where else can you put your car through it's paces and not get a
ticket from Johnny Law!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




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> to mine, just wondering what suspension pieces are strong enough for
auto-x
> and what's not.  I'm hesitant to drive it hard (around corners and stuff)
> because I'm afraid of something breaking.  Am I just paranoid?
I think this is called "babying" it, also known as non-abuse.  We all
have this tendancy to do that, however some of us seem to be convinced
that foreward stress is much better than lateral stress.  (Myself
included--very much so!)  Perhaps it helps knowing it's much easier to
lose control on sharp corners than dragstrips...  As for off road
stuff?  Sure I've done it...  slowly!  I've gone through places that
bigger pickups couldn't make, and gone through stuff 4X4's wouldn't
try.  Once again, slowly and carefully.  I personally can't see running
those courses at speed, much less as a race, unless I was abusing a
chevy!  HEY!!!  I think I found another use for those things
finally!!!!!  :)
I'm sure the Olds will take the abuse quite well, just look at ~any~ of
them around Havre!  Living proof!  They survive.  They just aren't happy
about it.  Once they're placed in that situation, the limo-quality is
sacrificed, and they start riding like an old dodge truck, rattling,
etc.  Other generic signs of abuse will likely show up as well.  Hmm.  I
wonder what would happen to a T-top car!!!  Make sure it's a monte carlo
for ~that~ test!  :)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:13:39 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

> > Does anyone besides me name thier ride?

> That's not crazy at all.

Ya wouldn't name your kid "1993 child with red hair" so why name your
car "1981 Olds with green paint?"  Don't seem right.  Of course I
nicknamed ~most~ of my kid-- I mean, cars.  The most well known (of
mine) is the Rockit, also known as a "1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
with two shades of green paint, and seven shades of rust"  As you can
see, I'd go crazy if I ~didn't~ name my cars!!!
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:11:03 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: How do I drop the gastank

I just removed the bumper off of my 70 rallye 350 and thought that I would
drop the gastank next. How do I do it? What kind of things do I have to
disconnect? How do I get the gastank off of the filler tube? Are there any
special preperations that I have to use?

Jim

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:29:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, John Pajak wrote:
> Wish I could find a set of big bolt pattern SSII/IIIs (if they even
> exist). They'd sure look neat on my 65 Delta! Of course small bolt
> pattern wheels would fit a Jetstar 88 of similar vintage, those cars
> having Cutlass-size brakes/running gear. Hey, I could always redrill
> my drums and axles in the smaller pattern........naw, too much work :(

This discussion made me pull out the sales catalog for the '78 
full-sizers (or as I like to call them, the "senior series", to annoy my 
buddies that only own Cutlasses... the "junior cars", natch!). They show 
a very Cutlass-like SSII/III as available and don't say that they weren't 
available on Custom Cruisers, though that's not something they'd always 
mention I guess. If they were available I presume they'd be 5" bolt 
patterns? 

I realized that these were different from the ones I've seen on other
senior cars which have a different center cap which is wider at the base
and seems to overlap the bulges in the wheel to some extent. Not knowing
until now that the bolt pattern was the same I'd always thought those ones
were 5"  pattern wheels. Wonder why they went to a different cap? 

I suppose you could go for a set of SSIV polycasts if you could find 
them... offered on senior cars up to '76 I'd guess, 5" pattern therefore, 
nice-looking wheel too!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:30:51 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Question about HEI Dstrbtrs

Malcolm Gillespie wrote:
>
> Matt,
> Just happen to have MSD's catalog in front of me. Yes they make a
> distributor for all Olds V8's. Part no. 8566.
> How does $582.89 list and $416.30 Gen. Trade sound? I think this is
> what they think it will sell for at retail outlets. It even has a
> direct plug in for MSD ignition. I hope so, for that price. Probably
> you should stick with the Accel.

No, I think I'll go wih GM's. It's only $110! $600 for a
distributor!?!?!?!? What kind of drugs are on?!?!

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:56:12 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 original motor

Mike,

I have seen this (and I hesitate to use the word) junkyard on I-35 a
hundred times and have always wanted to stop, what have they got...anything
else tasty?

You got any other 455 parts?

I'm in Garland, gimme a letter back!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv...68-72 455 motor/J heads
Dallas/Garland




mschlott@rsn.hp.com on 12/15/97 01:32:13 PM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: 68 442 original motor




Speaking of original 68 motors...  While I was looking for a replacement
for my 70 455 I found a 68 455 2 barrel.  Are these rare?  It was in a
68 Delmont??? 88.  I almost bought it since it ran good and I could swap
my intake.  If anyone is interested it is at County Line Classics south
of Dallas.  he wanted 350 or 400 for the motor.
     Mike Schlottman
     70 442

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:53:03 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

> Is that an original color combo? I haven't ever heard of a Lime green 71.

Code 43-----Lime Green.

Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:56:33 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 original motor

Mike Schlottman wrote:
> 
> Speaking of original 68 motors...  While I was looking for a replacement
> for my 70 455 I found a 68 455 2 barrel.  Are these rare?  It was in a
> 68 Delmont??? 88.

Depends.  If you can see the rear end of the crankshaft, look for an "L"
cutout in the flange.  As long as it's not a "C" or "U" shape.  The "L"
indicates FORGED CRANK.  VERY RARE!!!!!  Worth it just for the crank
itself if it's any good.
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:04:16 EST
From: DEOVIVERE <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tires & such

In a message dated 97-12-13 01:48:59 EST, you write:

<< O.K., so i got a set of 85-86 etc... 15x7 all chrome, black center wheels
 to go on my 68 442 vertible, I want to know what size tire I should go
 with, I'm kinda thinkin 235 60 15's, decent width, decent ride height, very
 little speedo change, can I go meatier?
  >>

Definitely.  I run Goodyear Eagle GTII (w/ raised whites) P255 60R15 in the
front and P275 60 R15 in the rear of my 70 SX W-32.  It's a great combo.  The
275s in the rear throw the speedo off a little, but the effect is marginal
(but enough to give you an excuse in court if you get a speeding ticket - my
wife got a wreckless charge reduced in her truck because the bigger tires
threw the speedo off by 5 mph at 70).  

The extra 8/10 inch tread width of the 275s give reasonably good rear traction
in a car that REALLY needs it, but is not obvious to the casual observer (i.e.
no jacked up, raked forward, Chevy look).  The GTIIs also handle very well in
the turns, even on wet surfaces.  I like them a lot.  

Tom Simmons
65 Cutlass
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 Cutlass

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:20:08 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: License Plate ideas...

O.K., here's a question to the list members...
What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates, I've got a
couple of good ones for my 68 droptop, but I'd love some other ideas


Considering:
for the Speed Racer fan I am...Racer X...

Come on...be creative!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:12:50 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: How do I drop the gastank

><SNIP>  drop the gastank next. How do I do it? What kind of things do I have to
> disconnect? How do I get the gastank off of the filler tube? Are there any
> special preperations that I have to use?

EASY!  This is probably one of the easier things that you can do under
the car.  First, empty the tank as far down as you can, suggesting one
of those little siphon jobbies unless you can drive and enjoy the car
until it's running on fumes.  Jack up the rear of the car, taking all
necessary jackstand safety precautions.  Now is the time to spray the 4
strap bolts with some penetrating fluid.  Then what you will need to do
is disconnect all the fuel/vent hoses that are connecting to underframe
pipes. (or if they're bad, a razor knife is quicker).  If you  have the
ability to disconnect the fuel sending wire from inside the trunk, do so
and snake the wire through the trunk hole so it will come out with the
tank.  Two long front bolts hold the front of the straps in place, and
two small ones in the rear.  You can normally safely remove the rear
ones without anything falling.  Figure out a way to gently support the
gas tank while you take out the front strap bolts.  Keep in mind, these
may be cruddy/rusted and could easily snap.  If so, you can obtain
replacements from places like Year One, etc.  Once the front strap bolts
are out, lower the straps and the tank.  Be careful as you do this to
ensure nothing hangs up.  Then the rear of the straps can be wriggled
out of their mounting arrangement or, if you have new ones, cut off. 
Drag the tank out from under the car, and do with as you need.

As for the filler neck, it is advisable to call a shop that specializes
in this kind of work, such as some radiator shops can do this.  They can
de-solder the connection and remove the neck.  DON'T try this at home. 
The fuel tank empty is worse than it is full.

Hope this helps.

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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