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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, February 13 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1098



(no subject)
Re: HELP!!!!!
Re: beaters
unsubscribe
Re: REPOST: good plug wires?
Re: Fwd: Q-4 repair update
Re: Wanted: Vista Cruiser
Re: Speedo Adapter
NEED POWER!
Shipping problems & Deadlines
Re: Daul Gate
WTD: Repair kit for '56 vacuum wiper motor.
Re: Calendar
Re: Speedo Adapter
Paging Todd Morris
Re: '65 442 clutch
Re: Shipping problems & Deadlines
Re: Wanted: Vista Cruiser
Re: Calendar
Re: Doug's Centennial Video
Re: Power
87 442
Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted
Grilles
grills answered
Re: 87 442
H/O hood scoop & rear wing
H/O hood scoop & rear wing
Re: NEED POWER!
Re: Screen saver?
Re: NEED POWER!
Electric Cooling Fan
Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing
F/S: '87 Supreme W/t-tops
Re: NEED POWER!
Re: beaters
Re: 87 442
Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing
Open Bottom End?
Re: Power
Re: REPOST: good plug wires?
need window regulators (stipped out)
1988 G-bodies question
Re: 87 442
re  speedo adapter
Re: need window regulators (stipped out)
Re: REPOST: good plug wires?
Date:Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:10:47 -0600
Omega and Delta for sale
Re: Calendar
Re:
Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted
Re: 442 centercaps
Re: 1988 G-bodies question
Re: [none]
Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted
Re: Open Bottom End?
Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted
Re: Shipping problems & Deadlines
Unsubscribing
Re: Cheap Dual Exhaust/Header Question
83 and 84 H/O owners take note
Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing
Re: NEED POWER!

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:26:43 -0800
From: Damien Aerial White <damien23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: (no subject)

please stop sending me mail
UNSUBSCRIBE me

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 18:59:59 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: HELP!!!!!

Brent Pinkstaff writes:
>I'm installing my rear in the next few weeks

Ohhhh, how I could reply to this one.....

Just having fun with you Brent! ;-)


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Hall Communications, LLC.
E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net

1972 Cutlass S : 1987 '88' Custom Cruiser : 1998 Silhouette GLS 4-Door

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:09:01 -0500
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: beaters

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> On a related note, a "best of the beaters" contest might be funny.
> Devote one month of the calendar to list member beaters, and have a web
> page where people could chose the "best" beaters to go in the calendar.
> To qualify, the vehicles would have to be able to start and move under
> their own power.  Other than that the more pathetic and ugly the better.


Damn! I junked my 78 Omega with the 6 X 8 pressure-treated rear bumper,
the bullet holes (dent puller holes, actually), and 2-inch ground
clearance! The junk man traded me even for an ashtray for my 82 Cutlass.

drc

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:00:17 -0800
From: Damien Aerial White <damien23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

Please Unsubscribe me
My friend asked this to be sent to his e mail
dcoppola@hotmail.com
Please do not send me any more mail

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:07:53 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: REPOST: good plug wires?

In a message dated 98-02-12 18:50:26 EST, you write:

<< What are the best aftermarket plug wires to get? Accel 300+, MSD
 Heli-Core, Moroso BlueMax, or Taylors, which ones are good?
  >>

all of above are good wires. I have been running Moroso Blue Max's for a
couple of years now on a 455 with serious mods and headers. Never had a
problem. Friend just just the Accel 300+ last year and he's tickled with them.
Know someone else that has been running with the MSD one also. They Accel are
8.8 I think and they are the largest diameter ones of those listed above. Come
in netural Black as well
I'd say take your pick  ... close your eyes and point..... or just get the the
ones with
the best price in your area.

How's that for guidance. ?

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:26:15 -0800
From: Damien Aerial White <damien23@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Q-4 repair update

Please stop sending me mail
'I do not have a 442 my friend does He doesnt want mail sent to me he
wats it sent to him at
dancoppola@hotmail.com
STOP SENDING ME THESE MESSAGES PLEASE

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:34:48 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: Vista Cruiser

In a message dated 98-02-12 09:26:16 EST, you write:

<<
 can anybody help this Vista Cruiser fanatic???

 Joe Gambo - '72 442/455/400/3.23

  >>
   Where is this guy located?  When things like this are posted its a good
idea to put down a City and  State.  Distance can make a HUGE difference in
most cases.
I know of a real nice Vista Cruiser 455/air/ tilt no rust in R.I. expensive

Everett   OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:34:54 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speedo Adapter

In a message dated 98-02-12 11:13:54 EST, you write:

<<
  I need a .7333 speedometer adapter for my 1970 Cutlass with a turbo
 350. The GM part number is 535614. This part is no longer availible from
 GM and partsvoice does not list it. This is the piece that goes between
 the trans a >>
Hi Brent
   Saw your post so I had to reply, we spoke this AM. Looked a lot more later
today and came up short. Have a couple of more places to check so will keep
you informed.


Everett   OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:45:05 -0500
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: NEED POWER!

My daily driver is an '85 Delta-88 Royale. I love it to pieces, it's the
nicest car I've ever owned. Body and interior are immacculate. There's
lots of shiny metal trim - this car is SO pretty. The 307 is smooth,
quiet, and TOTALLY underpowered. Every morning I get my lunch eaten by a
blonde babe in a Hundai. How embarassing.

My question to the group is this: Is this motor worth modifying, or
would it be a waste of time? All I want is maybe 25-30 more hp. Would
"bolt-on" mods, like manifold & headers, make any significant
difference? Are performance parts available for the 307?

The motor has high miles, but it's really tight. 175 psi in all 8, no
smoke, no noises, not even a drop of oil loss between changes. It's got
a lot of life left and I'm not gonna drop a 350 in there just for fun.

Suggestions welcome.

Dave Cullen
85 Land Yaght

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:22:50 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Shipping problems & Deadlines

Today I was at UPS to ship out a 69 bumper and I was informed that the cost
to ship large items (anything over 18"x18"x18") has tripled to quadrupled
in cost and that some of my items that I have shipped in Sono tubes will
now cost in excess of $200

I don't know if this is a problem is in the US, but here in Canada for most
purposes shipping is going to be a big headache.  I only have to the
beginning of March to ship at the old prices so if anyone wanted a long or
big item from me you better act fast!!

If anyone has any suggestions on how to ship please help me. And if some of
you could can you phone your local shipping companies and find out if this
in a Worldwide price rip-off or just us Canucks.

These price hikes don't effect small packages or very heavy packages but
anything real long, - well how far is it to you house my van does get 12mpg

Bob


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:03:34 -0800
From: Chris & Robin <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Daul Gate

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That is the right phone number or you can e-mail them at:
tech@mrgasket.echlin.com

This guy handles the rebuild info.

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

Tracy H. Shires wrote:

> At 12:33 AM 2/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >I know I have read about people taking thier Daulgates to Hurst to be
> >rebuilt, I was wondering if anyone would happen to have the number to call
> >or other information on them do this?
> >
> >Robert Schinkel
> >docbob@caninet.com
> >1970 442 Convertible
> >1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
> >1970 Rallye 350
> >1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)
> >
>
> Hurst's number (mr. Gasket) is 216-398-8300. They weren't very helpful to me
in my search for some lighting rods, but maybe you'll have better luck... > > 
T.
H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350 > mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu > > University of Oklahoma 
>
Aerospace Engineering > Mechanical Engineering





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That is the right phone number or you can e-mail them at: <A
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<P>This guy handles the rebuild info.

<P>--
<BR>Chris Miller
<BR>'68 442
<BR>Tustin, CA
<BR><A HREF="mailto:cya442@mindspring.com">mailto:cya442@mindspring.com</A>
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>Tracy H. Shires wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>At 12:33 AM 2/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
<BR>>I know I have read about people taking thier Daulgates to Hurst to
be
<BR>>rebuilt, I was wondering if anyone would happen to have the number
to call
<BR>>or other information on them do this?
<BR>>
<BR>>Robert Schinkel
<BR>>docbob@caninet.com
<BR>>1970 442 Convertible
<BR>>1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
<BR>>1970 Rallye 350
<BR>>1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)
<BR>>

<P>Hurst's number (mr. Gasket) is 216-398-8300. They weren't very helpful
to me in my search for some lighting rods, but maybe you'll have better
luck...

<P>T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350
<BR><A HREF="mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu">mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu</A>

<P>University of Oklahoma
<BR>Aerospace Engineering
<BR>Mechanical Engineering</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:19:29 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: WTD: Repair kit for '56 vacuum wiper motor.

Hi folks,

Just joined the list (thanks). Wow! Lots of traffic!

Has anybody got a repair kit for a Trico vacuum wiper motor such as was
used in the '56 Olds Super 88 (and most GM cars of that era)?

I know that lots of companies will rebuild these things, but I'd rather
keep my original wiper motor and do the rebuild myself (I've got the
shop manual). Hey, I'm a hands on kind of guy :-).

Thanks,
Charles

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:35:28 -0500
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

Gerald wrote:

> I would like to be responsible for this project, and I think that we
> should make multiple calendars based on era.  'Cause who would't want to
> have a calendar in the era of their car.  If I own a 1979 H/O.  I don't
> necessarily want to see a bunch of 64's and 73's or anything like that.

Gerald,

If you have the time, energy and the will, you are the right guy for the
job.  From the Christmas calendars we made a few months ago, I would say
that doing a first class job takes a little planning to avoid misfires
(wasted ink and wasted photo-quality paper).  As pointed out, Kinko's or
Ritz Camera can pull it reasonably cheap - possible equal to a home job.


I didn't give much thought to costs but most are variable costs.  That is,
they are tied to volume of calendars you produce.  If you have the basic
equipment, you're in business:  Scanner (30-bit and 2400dpi or better looks
nice), a printer (Inkjet of at least 600 dpi w/ photo enhancement logic),
and a PC.

The variables are paper (I think I remember paper running upwards of
$1.50/sheet for glossy quality stuff), ink (refills for printer), shipping
(including envelopes, cardboard to prevent damage), and time.  The last
element is the most precious as many inkjets only produce at 6 pages per
minute or less.  Paper may be found cheaper but the more you buy, the less
it will cost.

If anyone doesn't have a Kinko's nearby or would like to have me make them
one at cost - raw materials only, please advise. I'd be happy to run one
off.

John Gill
jgill@idmi.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:54:39 -0500
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo Adapter

Brent,

I'm not sure we're thinking of the same part but, I ran into a similar
problem w/ a T400 when I switched from 3.23's to 3.91's.  This caused the
speedo to read too high (MPH).  To correct the speedometer, I found a local
GM parts chain that custom makes these small adapters.  They asked me to
use my daily driver car to map out a road course of exactly five miles.
Then drive the Olds on that course measuring the distance that the
incorrect speedo showed (ie. 6.25 miles on a 5 mile route).  They did the
math and made the small box that screws right in between the cable and
tranny.  They are:

Hopkins & Kipp Auto Parts
(330) 762-0001

They made mine less that a year ago and for a price of about $65 US

John Gill
jgill@idmi.com


- ----------
> From: Brent Pinkstaff <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Subject: Speedo Adapter
> Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 11:04 AM
>
> Hey all,
>
>  I need a .7333 speedometer adapter for my 1970 Cutlass with a turbo
> 350. The GM part number is 535614. This part is no longer availible from
> GM and partsvoice does not list it. This is the piece that goes between
> the trans and the speedo cable and would have come on cars with a 3.42
> or 3.91 rear. I'm looking everywhere and so far have had no luck. If you
> have one or have leads on one please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent Pinkstaff
> 70 Cutlass S
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:47:33 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Paging Todd Morris

Hi Todd,
               Sorry to do this over the list, but I didn't have your e-mail
address.  I received your order today, and mailed your Lansing video this
afternoon.  Your letter was postmarked Feb. 9, so you should have it by the
middle of next week.

Thanks,

Doug N.

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:01:07 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '65 442 clutch

At 04:36 PM 2/12/98 -0600, you wrote:
Paul

        All the Olds flywheels are drilled for both diameter clutches. You
442 will have a 11 inch clutch. All A-body cars with big blocks had the
larger clutch. The flywheels are the same for big and small engines.

Jim Chermack


>Awhile ago I picked up a Centerforce Dual Disc 11" clutch.  I've got a
>flywheel off a '66 330 and was wondering if the '65 442 I've got has a
>10.5" or 11" clutch.  Never having taken it apart, I have no idea.  If
>it's not 11", I may as well have the 330 wheel resurfaced and drilled
>for the larger diameter clutch rather than take mine apart and wait
>while the work is done.  I won't drive it unit spring, but I hate
>leaving projects in pieces as they have a tendency to dissappear.  Does
>anyone know the stock clutch diameter for a '65 442?  Thanks.
>
>
>
>Paul Brillhart
>'65 442 4-spd.
>
>P.S.  Thanks Dave, sorry I got you by mistake.
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:06:24 -0500
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Shipping problems & Deadlines

At 08:22 PM 2/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
Bob

        I'll call UPS tomorrow and see what they have to say.

Jim Chermack


>Today I was at UPS to ship out a 69 bumper and I was informed that the cost
>to ship large items (anything over 18"x18"x18") has tripled to quadrupled
>in cost and that some of my items that I have shipped in Sono tubes will
>now cost in excess of $200
>
>I don't know if this is a problem is in the US, but here in Canada for most
>purposes shipping is going to be a big headache.  I only have to the
>beginning of March to ship at the old prices so if anyone wanted a long or
>big item from me you better act fast!!
>
>If anyone has any suggestions on how to ship please help me. And if some of
>you could can you phone your local shipping companies and find out if this
>in a Worldwide price rip-off or just us Canucks.
>
>These price hikes don't effect small packages or very heavy packages but
>anything real long, - well how far is it to you house my van does get 12mpg
>
>Bob
>
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>1970 442 Convertible
>1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
>1970 Rallye 350
>1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:14:28 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Vista Cruiser

Are there any in this month's Journey with Olds?  Still haven't recvd. my
copy (via the in limbo renewal matter) - there have been some trickling
through the want ads lately.  Didn't spot a single one in this month's
Hemmings though.

Other then that - I'm not aware of any available out there.  I passed a
rather ratty original one with rust yesterday - asked the guy if he wanted
to sell it and he said "Not Yet" - I guess that meant he hadn't run it into
the ground enough yet.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:25:53 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

That sounds good to me -

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://server.exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:34:23 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Doug's Centennial Video

Hi Folks,
                I've received some inquiries on how to get the Unofficial
Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration video.  Info. follows:

For anyone who wants a copy, Just send a check or money order to the address
below, and most orders go out the same day payment is received.  Please
include your e-mail address with your order so that I can let you know when
I mail your tape.  Total running time is 1:01:55, all set to music, and it's
nothing but cars.  (OLDS cars, that is...)  I'm not affiliated with Olds,
GM, or any other company that produced videos for the Centennial.  Just
someone that's partial to Oldsmobiles.  Thanks again for all the support.

Doug Newman
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

1987 442
http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:42:35 -0600
From: Larry Martino <lmmsr@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Power

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> If you have a two barrel, get a 4, then get an open element air cleaner
> (14x3), and dual exaust.  that should put you closer to 300 HP.  I still
> have my original cast iron four barrel manifold and the Q-jet carb that I
> spent $500 on if you are interested.  Located near Washington DC.


I already have a 4 barrel and dual exaust, but thanks anyway. I didn't
think about the exaust, is the year-1 rating for single? If it is, then
the duals must add a couple of horse power past 260. How much hp does an
open element air cleaner add? What other cheap (inexpensive- not crappy)
things can I do to add hp? Would higher compression pistons be the best
thing? Thanks.

Larry Martino
1971 Cutlass conv.

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:46:05 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 87 442

Looked at an 87 442 with 89k miles. It had posi by the options posted
on the trunk sticker. The car wasn't bad. Everything worked except the
auto door locks. No rust on the frame at all. Inside the trunk in the
fender well, I could see some corrosion, but easily fixable. The top
half of the steering wheel was melted; deformed somehow anyway!!! Is
this usual?
Test drive didn't impress me. The 307 started up well (cold) and was
smooth and quiet. No smoke at all. Nobody warned me how sluggish these
cars are. I drove my 350 4v 69 down to Louisville to see this car and
the difference in power was too much. Vibration at 70. Could have been
tire balance, bent rim etc. Could also be a bent axle. That's exactly
how it felt on my 69.
Other isuues:
- -someone had stolen the centers of the SSIIs.
- -car had recent paint job and the clearcoat was already bubbling up in
several places.
- -dealer wouldn't/couldn't give me the previous owner's name.
The biggest problem was the price. The guy wanted $5000 with all of
the problems and wouldn't negotiate. "The price is the price".

Mick Gillespie (still looking for an 87)
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:59:24 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted

Jeff Stanish wrote:
>
> I am looking for a 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door with gas V8(307) in very lo
> mi(<50K) very good condition in California especially the SF BAy Area.

> NO DELTAS, 2 DOORS or DEISELS!!

What do you think "98" stands for?  Isn't it *DELTA* 98?!?

I've always heard Deltas be referred to as 88's and 98's, but they are
in fact still a Delta. (Got two of 'em myself)

- ------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:09:57 -0600
From: "Michael Johnson" <Cardoc@Tcon.Net>
Subject: Grilles

Wanted:  Grilles for '72 Cutlass Supreme convertible.  If anyone has'em, I
need'em!

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:16:02 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: grills answered

 i have a set of N.O.S. grills for 72 cutlass... sell for $100 plus shipping

 olds guy ga....

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:17:02 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 87 442

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> -someone had stolen the centers of the SSIIs.

Don't they have the chrome SSIII's?  Either way, the centers are expensive to
replace.

> -car had recent paint job and the clearcoat was already bubbling up in
> several places.

Must have been a cheap job.  I had my 84 CSC repainted three years ago this
summer (with clearcoat) and it still looks great.  No bubbling at all and the
minor swirls buffed right out.

> -dealer wouldn't/couldn't give me the previous owner's name.
> The biggest problem was the price. The guy wanted $5000 with all of
> the problems and wouldn't negotiate. "The price is the price".

The fact that the dealer didn't want to give you the previous owner's name 
might
suggest an abusive relationship (for lack of a better PC term!).  Obviously, it
hasn't been taken care of and if the 307 is really that sluggish, it might need
moderate engine work.  Even my 'Y' code 307 runs real strong and feels almost 
as
fast as my parent's cop-car '92 Crown Victoria.  Maybe the transmission's going
on it?  Anyway, that $5000 price tag seems pretty stiff (I gather you feel the
same way...) for all those "problems" with the car.  If it were me, ~I'd~ keep
looking.  I'd love an 80's G-Body performance machine (an 83 Hurst/Olds would 
be
~just fine~, thank you!) and I think I'd pass up a seemingly rotten deal like
this one.  Just my $0.02, though.  Good luck.

> Mick Gillespie (still looking for an 87)
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> OCAª 29770
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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|\ \  / __  __/Jason Adcock|
| \ \/ / / /CS Major, Virginia Tech|
|  \  / / /mailto:jadcock@vt.edu|
|   \/ /_/http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/|
||
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:20:17 -0600
From: "Michael Johnson" <Cardoc@Tcon.Net>
Subject: H/O hood scoop & rear wing

A few weeks ago, someone posted information on where I could get the hood
scoop for '83---'85 H/O.
I eagerly wrote this down---and then lost it!  Also need to find the rear
wing.  Does anyone have any leads as to where I can locate this stuff?
Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:20:17 -0600
From: "Michael Johnson" <Cardoc@Tcon.Net>
Subject: H/O hood scoop & rear wing

A few weeks ago, someone posted information on where I could get the hood
scoop for '83---'85 H/O.
I eagerly wrote this down---and then lost it!  Also need to find the rear
wing.  Does anyone have any leads as to where I can locate this stuff?
Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:22:42 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: NEED POWER!

Dave Cullen wrote:

>>My daily driver is an '85 Delta-88 Royale. I love it to pieces, it's the
>>nicest car I've ever owned. Body and interior are immacculate. There's
>>lots of shiny metal trim - this car is SO pretty. The 307 is smooth,
>>quiet, and TOTALLY underpowered.

Been there, done that, still doing it!!  I've got an '85 Delta 88 Royale
Brougham, in spotless condition, but when your bury your foot in the
firewall, all it does is scream.  (I'm presuming you have a "Y" code
307, like I do).  These engines run at 140-150hp *max*, and to make a
long story short, they're a toad of a motor.  I'm not trying to insult
anybody, especially the Cutlass owners, but these engines are far from
being engineered for performance.

>>My question to the group is this: Is this motor worth modifying, or
>>would it be a waste of time? All I want is maybe 25-30 more hp. Would
>>"bolt-on" mods, like manifold & headers, make any significant
>>difference? Are performance parts available for the 307?

The most significant change you could do would be the heads;  the heads
on them are very low compression, and very restrictive when it comes to
airflow.  The best thing you could do, if you want to get into some real
engine work, would be to buy a different set of heads from a wrecker,
and get them 'done'.  By increasing the compression, and the ability to
move air, you end up with more power.

Going to a free flowing exhaust couldn't hurt, either;  but it'd be a
wasted effort to do this first--there's no point in getting the exhaust
gases out the back of the vehicle faster, when the motor is gagging
itself to death internally.

>>The motor has high miles, but it's really tight. 175 psi in all 8,

I really don't know how you accomplished this one...I'm starting to
think that maybe you don't have the "Y" engine after all.  Is 175 an
estimate, or the exact results?  The "Y" is a low compression motor,
running just below an 8.0:1 ratio.  According to 'Mitchell On-Demand'
repair specs, the "Y" engine would only test at 115psi, and that was
fresh off the factory floor.  And there's no way that an engine can
increase it's compression after hundreds of thousands of miles. (If
there is, I'm yet to see it).

>>It's got a lot of life left and I'm not gonna drop
>>a 350 in there just for fun.

Actually, you should....*lots* more fun!

- -----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:24:39 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Screen saver?

Screen Saver? I love the idea! I wish I knew how to make them, as I'd like to
have one made for my racing teams. Put me down as for both ideas.

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:25:31 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: NEED POWER!

That's sometimes how I feel in my Cutlass.  Of course, it has a 350, but I
would recommend:  1)Open-element air cleaner (as Mr. Martino suggested in a
different post) 2)new fuel filter 3)new plugs (performance plugs) 4)Hi-Po
plug wires, distributor cap, rotor, coil (I run an Accel Super Cap and
Rotor with an Accel Super coil, really put some life in the old machine,
even with my crappy plugs & wires) 5)clean the carb with some Gum-Out, etc.
6)better gas, that cheap stuff might hold you back a little 7)since you
sound like you can afford it, I'm sure an Edelbrock manifold, Holley 600?
cfm carb, and Hooker Comp. headers wouldn't hurt...
I don't know how much you've done or want to do, or how much of the above
would work on an '85 (computer controlled :-( car)), and most of my advice
should DEFINITELY be taken with a grain of salt, but that's just how I see
it.
Good luck!

Bob
'78 Cutlass w/ '77? 350 cid

>My daily driver is an '85 Delta-88 Royale. I love it to pieces, it's the
>nicest car I've ever owned. Body and interior are immacculate. There's
>lots of shiny metal trim - this car is SO pretty. The 307 is smooth,
>quiet, and TOTALLY underpowered.
<snip, snip>
>Dave Cullen
>85 Land Yaght

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:31:58 -0600
From: "Michael Johnson" <Cardoc@Tcon.Net>
Subject: Electric Cooling Fan

I have an '81 Cutlass Supreme that I have extensively modified.  It is my
daily driver.  It used to be a diesel that I converted to gas with a 403.
I am looking for the upper radiator support and the cooling fan out of a
Grand National.  With this, I can do away with the belt driven fan and gain
a few horsepower without much expense!  The Grand National and the diesel
Cutlass share the same core support and radiator!  Have had no luck finding
these items in salvage yard.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:37:52 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing

>A few weeks ago, someone posted information on where I could get the hood
>scoop for '83---'85 H/O.
>I eagerly wrote this down---and then lost it!  Also need to find the rear
>wing.  Does anyone have any leads as to where I can locate this stuff?
>Thanks!
>
>
>
A couple of months ago I herd of a guy selling a hood scoop for an 83 H/O.
I don't know if he still has it or not, but if you e-mail me privately I
will try to get a hold of him and find out more information for you.

Matt Hanneman
85 442

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:50:12 -0600
From: "Michael Johnson" <Cardoc@Tcon.Net>
Subject: F/S: '87 Supreme W/t-tops

All original under hood and inside.
Rosewood red, new paint
307
Rally wheels
Red cloth interior
Buckets and console
T-tops don't leak
Everything works
Very nice, but must sell.  Need money for other Olds.
3500.00 o.b.o.
P.S.  It's over 100,000

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:52:09 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: NEED POWER!

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> Been there, done that, still doing it!!  I've got an '85 Delta 88 Royale
> Brougham, in spotless condition, but when your bury your foot in the
> firewall, all it does is scream.  (I'm presuming you have a "Y" code
> 307, like I do).  These engines run at 140-150hp *max*, and to make a
> long story short, they're a toad of a motor.  I'm not trying to insult
> anybody, especially the Cutlass owners, but these engines are far from
> being engineered for performance.

Don't worry about insulting us.  Even everyone's opinion is wrong once in a
while.  :-)  No, these motors aren't built like the 455's of yore, but I think
they work great in the light Cutlasses.  When everything's in tune, it runs 
like
a dream, smooth and quiet.  Mine never drinks motor oil or ~extra~ gas.  It 
does
have a healthy appetite, though!  I feel that it runs the best when kept 
totally
stock.  I've tried the open element air cleaner thing and it takes a while for
it to warm up and just drinks gas doing so.  Maybe I'm just lucky, though!  I
tried the Rapidfire plugs and those did nothing but make it idle like crap.  I
replaced the PCV valve and the crankcase breather and the EGR valve pretty much
all at once and that made a nice difference in both mileage and power.  I was
going to do the headers thing a while back, but I'm really into originality now
and want to keep it as original as possible.  I just get a nice feeling inside
when I know she looks and drives just like she did coming out of the factory!
:-)  I always keep in mind: these motors did just as well as the Mustang GT's
did in the early eighties (150 hp I think).  It's all relative.

Although, 789 horses on the juice would be cool on the drag strip... :-)  Just
kidding...

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|__    ________|
|\ \  / __  __/Jason Adcock|
| \ \/ / / /CS Major, Virginia Tech|
|  \  / / /mailto:jadcock@vt.edu|
|   \/ /_/http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/|
||
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:13:19 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: beaters

Dave Cullen wrote:

> Damn! I junked my 78 Omega with the 6 X 8 pressure-treated rear bumper,
> the bullet holes (dent puller holes, actually), and 2-inch ground
> clearance! The junk man traded me even for an ashtray for my 82 Cutlass.

How much did he charge to haul it off for you?  :)  Just kidding, Dave.
I junked out a 70 and a 71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr back 10 years or so ago.
Both of them cost me $85 bucks.  Wish I had them back now for parts.
The sad part is they weren't in all that bad a shape.  Oh well!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:20:02 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: 87 442

Jason wrote:

>M&D Gillespie wrote:
>>
>> -someone had stolen the centers of the SSIIs.
>
>Don't they have the chrome SSIII's?  Either way, the centers are expensive to
>replace.

You're right Jason, they are SSIII's.  And those 442 center caps ARE
expensive.  I replaced all four of mine in Oct. of '93.  $26.00 each then.
Wouldn't want to price them now...

remainder of Jason's reply to Mick's post <snipped>

I agree with Jason.  $5,000 for one that's obviously been ragged out is way
too steep.  Keep looking, there are some out there that have been "babied".

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html  |

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:30:16 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing

Call A-1 Auto Parts 517-322-2288. Located in Lansing.
Also call Penny Castille @ Olds Club of America. Her late husband made them.
Actually she's your best bet. God luck.


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:03:52 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Open Bottom End?

Hey, everyone.  I was just flipping through some TV channels this evening and I
came upon some French channel where it showed someone with an S-10 pickup up on
a hoist, with the oil pan removed, open crankshaft...with the engine running!
He had a firehose he was spraying up into the spinning crankshaft, I guess to
degrease it or something.  Is this okay to do?  It seems bizarre, but the guy
seemed to be a mechanic (it was in French...).  I've never seen or heard of
anything like that before.  Is it common practice among experienced
wrench-turners?

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|__    ________|
|\ \  / __  __/Jason Adcock|
| \ \/ / / /CS Major, Virginia Tech|
|  \  / / /mailto:jadcock@vt.edu|
|   \/ /_/http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/|
||
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:11:13 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Power

I beleive the 260 rating was for a two barrel and single exaust.  If
everything is running in tip-top shape, you should be around 280.  Higher
compression adds horsepower, but not much for the money spent.  Pistons are
very expensive when you add rebuilding cost.  For the money, I'd get mild
cam/lifter/timing chain/valve spring combonation.  Worth some real power and
higher RPM potential.  Also, use a high energy ignition: MSD or Mallory
distributor, high voltage coil, and 8mm silicone wires.  If you still have
that vacuum line "tree" at the front left of your intake manifold, yank all
that crap out.  You only need to run the vacuum advance line on the
distributor to the timed vacuum port on the carberater.  I forget what you
said your aircleaner was, but make sure the element is "open", and not
closed up like stock.  If you have a stock air cleaner, invert the lid to
make a gap for air.

any other questions?  Just ask,

greg

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:13:02 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: REPOST: good plug wires?

I've used Moroso Blue Max AND Taylor Pro, and they both worked equally well.
I got the Taylors because I could get them in red, and the if you're not
careful, the metal contacts in the blue max wires can pull out if the boot
get stuck on a plug.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:56 PM
Subject: REPOST: good plug wires?


>Resending this due to some lack of response. I have to make a decision
>soon!!!
>
>What are the best aftermarket plug wires to get? Accel 300+, MSD
>Heli-Core, Moroso BlueMax, or Taylors, which ones are good?
>
>Car: 320/350/th350/3.08 daily driver w/ HEI and MSD ignition.
>
>Thanks!
>--
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>**********************************

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:18:32 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: need window regulators (stipped out)

My window regulators got stripped out when I put new weatherstriping in and
didn't realign the glass.  People would crank the window too hard and now
both sides are stripped out.  What parts do I need and where can I get them?
- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:41:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 1988 G-bodies question

Can someone please tell me if I'm right here:
OLDSMOBILE did make a limited number of RWD Cutlasses in 88 called Cutlass
Classic.  They look the same as an 87 Cutlass, but all of them have the
landau roofs.  The inside door panels are the same as in an 87, unlike all
the other 80's Cutlasses.  Any numbers on how many there were?  Is there a
such thing as an (19)88 442?  Thanks!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supremacy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:44:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 87 442

On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Doug Newman wrote:

> Jason wrote:
>
> >M&D Gillespie wrote:
> >>
> >> -someone had stolen the centers of the SSIIs.
> >
> >Don't they have the chrome SSIII's?  Either way, the centers are expensive 
to
> >replace.
>
> You're right Jason, they are SSIII's.  And those 442 center caps ARE
> expensive.  I replaced all four of mine in Oct. of '93.  $26.00 each then.
> Wouldn't want to price them now...
>

What's different about the 442 caps as opposed to the regular ones?




> remainder of Jason's reply to Mick's post <snipped>
>
> I agree with Jason.  $5,000 for one that's obviously been ragged out is way
> too steep.  Keep looking, there are some out there that have been "babied".
>
> Doug Newman
> Columbus, MS
> 1987 442
>
> http://www.442.com/newman.html  |
>
>

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supremacy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:03:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: re  speedo adapter

these guys should be able to set you up with a replacement adapter that
will work and look like factory and have changable ratios if you change
tire size.  they used to have a loaner calibrator devce that you sent back
and they would send you an adapter made up right.

united speedometer service
2431 university ave.
riverside, ca. 92507
1 800 877 4798
909 684 0292

 they have a www address but i cant go there from here so you will have to
do that yourself


47rocket98

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:07:18 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: need window regulators (stipped out)

>My window regulators got stripped out when I put new weatherstriping in and
>didn't realign the glass.  People would crank the window too hard and now
>both sides are stripped out.  What parts do I need and where can I get them?
>-greg

I had a similar problem with mine and had to get a complete assembly from
the wrecker.  The regulators in my '69 are only used in '69 Olds and Buick,
I got one from a later model and found it was completely different, treid
to swap just the gear but not much luck as there is a big spring that comes
flying out when you remove the rivets.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:20:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: REPOST: good plug wires?

Hi Matt,

> What are the best aftermarket plug wires to get? Accel 300+, MSD
> Heli-Core, Moroso BlueMax, or Taylors, which ones are good?

I found the following page to have some great info:
http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/truth.htm

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:10:47 -0600
From: "Craig Tripe" <crtripe@megavision.com>
Subject: Date:Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:10:47 -0600

cancel oldsmobile

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:21:01 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Omega and Delta for sale

The cars are located in middletown,new york.
I took the Delta to a body shop once and the man woh ran it said it wasnt in
bad shape at all cosmetically.The interior is nice and clean,and all the
knobs and swtiches are intact and original.
It Has a 455,with 103k on it.It has had a new master cylinder (ac-delco) and
a new water pump installed as well.Start on the first turn of the key.new
cooper tires,size 235/75/15 with white walls.
i will post the vin as soon as i can get to it.
thanx all.
Erik

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:49:36 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

John,
I have all of the necessary equipment here.  As soon as I come up with
a cost estimate I'll post it to the list.  Should be on Sat sometime.
Thanks for your support.

Gerald Hughes

John Gill wrote:
>
> Gerald wrote:
>
> > I would like to be responsible for this project, and I think that we
> > should make multiple calendars based on era.  'Cause who would't want to
> > have a calendar in the era of their car.  If I own a 1979 H/O.  I don't
> > necessarily want to see a bunch of 64's and 73's or anything like that.
>
> Gerald,
>
> If you have the time, energy and the will, you are the right guy for the
> job.  From the Christmas calendars we made a few months ago, I would say
> that doing a first class job takes a little planning to avoid misfires
> (wasted ink and wasted photo-quality paper).  As pointed out, Kinko's or
> Ritz Camera can pull it reasonably cheap - possible equal to a home job.
>
> I didn't give much thought to costs but most are variable costs.  That is,
> they are tied to volume of calendars you produce.  If you have the basic
> equipment, you're in business:  Scanner (30-bit and 2400dpi or better looks
> nice), a printer (Inkjet of at least 600 dpi w/ photo enhancement logic),
> and a PC.
>
> The variables are paper (I think I remember paper running upwards of
> $1.50/sheet for glossy quality stuff), ink (refills for printer), shipping
> (including envelopes, cardboard to prevent damage), and time.  The last
> element is the most precious as many inkjets only produce at 6 pages per
> minute or less.  Paper may be found cheaper but the more you buy, the less
> it will cost.
>
> If anyone doesn't have a Kinko's nearby or would like to have me make them
> one at cost - raw materials only, please advise. I'd be happy to run one
> off.
>
> John Gill
> jgill@idmi.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:56:14 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re:

Cancel Brain Signals

Hehe..You know who.



Craig Tripe wrote:
>
> cancel oldsmobile

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:41:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Dave Ward wrote:
> What do you think "98" stands for?  Isn't it *DELTA* 98?!?
>
> I've always heard Deltas be referred to as 88's and 98's, but they are
> in fact still a Delta. (Got two of 'em myself)

Dave! You know better than that. ;-)

A 98 can be a Ninety-Eight or a Regency, but never a Delta. That name was
limited to the 88 series. No such animal as a Delta 98.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:39:42 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 442 centercaps

> > You're right Jason, they are SSIII's.  And those 442 center caps ARE
> > expensive.  I replaced all four of mine in Oct. of '93.  $26.00 each then.
> > Wouldn't want to price them now...
> >
>
> What's different about the 442 caps as opposed to the regular ones?
>
The difference is instead of the "rocket" emblem in the centers, the 442
has the gold "442" numerals on the black background instead.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:51:24 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1988 G-bodies question

> Can someone please tell me if I'm right here:
> OLDSMOBILE did make a limited number of RWD Cutlasses in 88 called Cutlass
> Classic.  They look the same as an 87 Cutlass, but all of them have the
> landau roofs.

Somewhat right.  All except for the landau roofs.  Some didn't have the
landau.

> Any numbers on how many there were?  Is there a
> such thing as an (19)88 442?  Thanks!

Don't know exactly how many.  There were no 442's for '88, but they DID
have what they called a "Cutlass GT" which was similar in appearance
with decals and graphics.  Hood scoop and spoiler, ala 83/84 H/Os.  They
had a small brass stick-on console plate with the unit number on it.
Something on the nature of "Cutlass GT Limited Edition"  "No. xxx of
400"  If I remember right, they made only 400 Cutlass GT's.  I even
think the conversion kit/decals was supplied by Cars and Concepts, but I
don't recall.  Nothing different in the engine bay from the standard "Y"
307.  In other words, no dual snorkel air cleaner or other performance
enhancements.  And they DID have 4 Doc Watson-built '88 H/O's.  Plus a
kit for the 20th Anniversary H/O for any mid eighties Cutlass.  However,
the 20th Anniversary decals were reserved only for the '88 models, the
rest were called something like Aero-Hursts.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 07:14:10 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: [none]

>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:53:01
>From: Brent Kezama <ba.kezama@sk.sympatico.ca>
>Subject: [none]
>
>unsubscribe oldsmobile kezama@sk.sympatico.ca

Brent, "unsubscribe oldsmobile" must be the only thing in the subject
area for the automated unsubscribe to work.... FYI, Mike


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------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:25:14 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted

 > A 98 can be a Ninety-Eight or a Regency, but never a Delta. That name
was
> limited to the 88 series. No such animal as a Delta 98.
>

Seconding that, Greg ... Also, the Ninety-Eight series was around for years
(at least as far back as 1946) before anything labelled a Delta showed up.
The first 88 was in the 1949 model year. Various designations have been
around: regular 88, Super 88 (starting in 1951, last in 1964), Dynamic 88
(1958-1966), Jetstar 88 (1964-1966), Delmont 88 (1967-68), and Delta 88
(1965-Present?). So the Delta is a latecomer compared to the other breeds.
Durable, though ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
66 Toronado
67 Buick Wildcat



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:32:56 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Open Bottom End?

Umm, no.  Thats one of those silly info-mercials advertising how good their oil
additive really is. I've seen em do what you describe, freeze an engine in a
solid block of ice then start it, drain the oil and pour sand into the running
engine, drain the oil from a running engine then heat it with a cutting torch,
ect.. Entertaining, but I wouldn't try that stuff at home..

Ken


Jason Adcock wrote:

> Hey, everyone.  I was just flipping through some TV channels this evening and
I > came upon some French channel where it showed someone with an S-10 pickup 
up
on > a hoist, with the oil pan removed, open crankshaft...with the engine
running! > He had a firehose he was spraying up into the spinning crankshaft, I
guess to > degrease it or something.  Is this okay to do?  It seems bizarre, 
but
the guy > seemed to be a mechanic (it was in French...).  I've never seen or
heard of > anything like that before.  Is it common practice among experienced 
>
wrench-turners? > >
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Jason Adcock                            | > |        \ \/ / / /     CS Major,
Virginia Tech                 | > |         \  / / /      mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
| > |          \/ /_/       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/          | > |
| > +---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:13:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 82 to 84 OLDS 98 4 Door Wanted

Getting back to Jeff S.'s original request to find one of these
cars... why '82 to '84? I know '84 was the last year for them, but by
then they all had 307s and were a little weak in the power department.

If I had my druthers and could find one in decent shape, I'd go for
the '77 to '79s first, with the '80 (last year for the 350) as a
second choice. Actually the '80s are sort of the best of both worlds,
since they could come with the 350 but also had the revised body style
that carried thru to '84. I saw one here last year that was absolutely
mint (a white 4-door with a burgundy interior). Gorgeous car, not for
sale unfortunately.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:49:41 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Shipping problems & Deadlines

> Today I was at UPS to ship out a 69 bumper and I was informed that the
cost
> to ship large items (anything over 18"x18"x18") has tripled to quadrupled
>
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
> 1970 442 Convertible
> 1970 Cutlass W- 31 4 gear
> 1970 Rallye 350
> 1970 Cutlass Convertible ( 13.4 et)

I check with UPS today about some rate changes and got some prices on
general packages to show the increase.
24"x24"x24" was 41.65 to texas nw will be $96.55
My sono tubes some of you have got from me will be up in the $80 range
minimum where they used to be $20 - $25  big change on small Items that
just need lots of car seat foam to protect

Bob

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:54:32 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Unsubscribing

> Brent, "unsubscribe oldsmobile" must be the only thing in the
subject
> area for the automated unsubscribe to work.... FYI, Mike

Um, actually I believe "unsubscribe oldsmobile" needs to be
a line in the message body, not the Subject header, plus you
need to send it to majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca, not to the list
where we're seeing it here.

If you're getting the digest instead of the real-time, separate
messages, you need to "unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest" instead.

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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:58:47 -0500
From: Miguel Morales <Miguel.Morales@mci.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap Dual Exhaust/Header Question

On my '84 H/O the previous owner had put duals on it and cut the driver
side crossover  to the right side manifold and capped the cut end of
that near the starter. Needless to say when all h*ll broke loose with
that exahust that was true dualand  I had enjoyed thoroughly for 5
years, and it gor stolen (damaged), I decided to replace the duals to a
stock dual system. The pipe was still hard to remove from the passenger
manifold, according to the mechanic who spent a good hour or so coaxing
it off with a rubber mallet. He also said there looked to be some
creative welding there too.

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:20:42 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: 83 and 84 H/O owners take note

I am forwarding this to the group, so that you can contact Bill if you wish:

Hi, my name is Bill Brushaber and am a member of the club.  I own and
have been restoring a 83 Hurst Olds and have been disappointed to see
that certain parts such as the hood ornament, radiator grills, lightning
rod shifter bezel, interior dash badge and ashtray covers are not
available through GM Service Parts or any other source besides the open
market.  If they are on the open market people are asking outrageous
prices and worse yet people are paying it.

I'm employed at General Motors Service Parts  World Headquarters here
in Flint, Michigan and have sat down with the Restoration Parts Group
and discussed this matter.  They would like a parts list of items our
members would be interested in to look into the possiblity of adding
these items to their catalog.  It is also possible that these parts
could be produced and marketed outside of GM and possibly through the
Hurst Club if we were interested in doing such a thing.  A lot of
stipulations need to be worked out such as cost of production and retail
price, but first I need to know if others are interested and maybe the
best way would be through the Newsletter.  If possible, have members
notify me at wbrush@tir.com or phone me during the evening eastern time
at 810-230-0924.  I do not necessarily need the GM part number, a
description of the item will do.

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:23:13 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: H/O hood scoop & rear wing

If reproductions are acceptable, then try Lauren Engineering.  They have
repros of both items.  I have not seen them personally so I can't say what
the quality is like.  Their address is on www.442.com.

Michael Johnson wrote:

> A few weeks ago, someone posted information on where I could get the hood
> scoop for '83---'85 H/O.
> I eagerly wrote this down---and then lost it!  Also need to find the rear
> wing.  Does anyone have any leads as to where I can locate this stuff?
> Thanks!



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Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds ª2118
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:43:53 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: NEED POWER!

Dave Cullen wrote:

> My question to the group is this: Is this motor worth modifying, or
> would it be a waste of time? All I want is maybe 25-30 more hp. Would
> "bolt-on" mods, like manifold & headers, make any significant
> difference? Are performance parts available for the 307?

I think you can get 25-30hp more with "bolt-on's".  However, in the end
you'll probably have spent about a much as a 350 swap would cost.

> The motor has high miles, but it's really tight. 175 psi in all 8, no
> smoke, no noises, not even a drop of oil loss between changes. It's got
> a lot of life left and I'm not gonna drop a 350 in there just for fun.

Isn't that nice?  My '84 doesn't use a drop between oil changes either
(synthetic too!).  That and the fact that I'm concerned about keeping my H/O
semi-original are why I haven't done the 350 or 403 swap yet.

> Suggestions welcome.

Sure.1) Make sure everything is in good tune.  New plugs, cap/rotor, good
spark plug wires, new filters and fluids everywhere.
2) Bump up the timing by 2-4 degrees (free!).  You'll notice a difference in
the way the motor responds (snappier), but you may need to use 89 or 92
octane gas.  Better yet, talk to Steve Ochs (on this list) and ask if he'd
be willing to burn a custom computer chip for you that advances the timing
at WOT.
3) A K&N filter is a good idea.  Since this is a daily driver, I'd say keep
the original air cleaner box and don't go with an open element (you'd lose
the thermac assembly).
4) Dual off the exhaust after the cat.  Use two good quality turbo
mufflers.  If you don't have emissions in your area, maybe you could arrange
for an "accident" involving the cat guts, a large chisel and a hammer.
5) Your biggest improvement would be steeper rear end gears, like 3.23, 3.43
or 3.73, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you either have an overdrive or
don't do any highway driving.

> Dave Cullen
> 85 Land Yaght

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Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds ª2118
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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