
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, December 26 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1028



Removal
Re: post trimming
Removal of Account
Removal of Account
Steering column to floor shift conversion - auto trans
80' Cutlass Supreme
Re: Fountain of Questions...[long]
Re: Intake Manifold Problem
Re: Intake Manifold Problem
Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel
Re: Fw: 70 Olds NOS 8-Track Player
Re: Intake Manifold Problem
Re: Rallye pac for 77-85 B-body
Re: engine #'s
Re: engine #'s
RE: Valve seals and Spring Compressor 350 CID
Re: Fountain of Questions...[long]
Re:Going Away
Re: engine #'s
Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel
re:delta 88 questions
Re: seasons greetings
Re: engine #'s/455!
What did Santa leave you!
Tranny, Rebuild/Replace?
Replacement Carb?
Re: engine #'s
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Lost without my old Cutlass
putting headers on the '70 442
oldsmobile
old double hump on a g-body?
Window Rollers
Round 2 With Insurance Company
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: delta 88 questions
Re: old double hump on a g-body? Headers?
Re: Fountain of Questions...[long] plug #'s
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Spoiler/W-30 Red inner fender wells
Re: Window Rollers
OLDS! Feb 98 Collectible Automobile
air conditioning
Re: Window Rollers
Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:02:24 -0600
From: "gblanchard" <sierra@autobahn.mb.ca>
Subject: Removal

Please remove me from your auto club.  I no longer require any information.

Thank you kindly. 

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:01:31 -0600
From: "gblanchard" <sierra@autobahn.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: post trimming

Could you please tell me how to get my name taken off of this listing for
oldsmobile?  I have all the information that I required, and I am receiving
anywhere from 70 - 200 messages a day.  Thank you.


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> From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: post trimming
> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 11:18 PM
> 
> Lately there have been a lot of posts with garbage at the end, like
mailer
> encoding information. Could you guys check your posts and see if extra
stuff
> is being added? Straight text (ascii), in your mailer setup, works best I
> believe. Also try to trim some of the message you are referring to.
Thanks!
> David Brown
> ==================
> Yeah! Maybe just coincidence, but the digest in which this appears was
chock
> full of 'noise'. Including a nameless someone replying to Chermack's ad
with a
> 1-line inquiry... and then quoting Chermack's entire list of goodies for
sale.
> Almost a new record for noise/signal ratio!
>   Some folks seem to have mailers that add onto the end the exact same
text
> only with lots of control characters tossed in as well. Then there's the
> occasional picture or something which comes thru as 1000 lines of noise.
>   btw, Greg, every post that you send along as "unbounced" appears first
in the
> digest, as though it never bounced at all.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing,
MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>          >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:05:21 -0600
From: "gblanchard" <sierra@autobahn.mb.ca>
Subject: Removal of Account

Kindly remove my name from your auto club.

thank you for all your help 

:)

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:07:46 -0600
From: "gblanchard" <sierra@autobahn.mb.ca>
Subject: Removal of Account

Would you please remove me from your auto club.

Thank you kindly.  :)

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 19:30:19 EST
From: Knightvd <Knightvd@aol.com>
Subject: Steering column to floor shift conversion - auto trans

I will be embarking on converting my column auto shift to floor auto shift in
my 71 Cutlass convert.  If anyone has done this and can share their experience
I would greatly appreciate any information.  I have the console, shifter, and
floor bracket.  Would it be easier to replace whole steering column or change
column parts?

Thanks,

Vince Knight      knightvd@aol.com
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - (presently with buckets and column shift!!)

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:16:31 EST
From: J8342 <J8342@aol.com>
Subject: 80' Cutlass Supreme

sorry guys, 
      
     It's really a 1980 Olds Cutlass Supreme, the guy had told me it was a
1981, but on the title when I was reading it, it's really a 1980.  
Oh well, it's still a really nice car, and I like it a lot all read., I'm
suprised by all the responses I have got on my post so quickly,
Thanks!

A couple questions:

The VIN is:  3R47AAM558995  could anyone translate that for me please?

Also, I am thinking about painting it. 

It has the white Canvas stuff on the top, if I remove that is it like the rest
of the car under it?  
Is it the same metal that is on the rest of the exterior?

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:34:40 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Fountain of Questions...[long]

From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>

> How well do 225/60R14's fit in the 80s Cutli?  
> Does the handling increase?

They fit great!  I've had my BFG Radial T/A's (225/60R14) on for about 2
weeks now
and they work wonderfully.  If you have a 75 series (195/75R14) on there
now, I'm sure
you will notice a difference in handling.  You'll definitely notice a
harsher ride.
Just one thing, though.  I have the 14x6 Chrome SSIII rallye wheels. 
They guy at the
tire place said that they've put 225/60's on Monte Carlos before and
they rubbed on the
control arms.  Does yours have hubcaps?  If so, you probably have 14x5
or 14x5.5 wheel.
BFG's wn literature rates the 225/60R14 for a wheel between 6 and 9
inches wide.  So,

1) You might not get them to physically mount on the wheels.
2) You might get steering rub due to a different offset, spacing, etc
than my rallye wheels.

If you have a wheel narrower than 6 inches, might I suggest
215/70R14's?  I had those before
and they worked good, too.  I just wanted to try a different brand and
ended up wanting a
wider tire while I was at it.  If you get 215/70R14's, your speedometer
will read slower than
you are actually going, assuming it's accurate to start with.

> WHAT are the STOCK size tires (Mine has 195/75R14), and is there an
> alternate size???

Stock on mine was 205/70R14.  That might have been because of the
rallyes or the F41
suspension package.  So, 205/70R14's will fit great, too.  If you can
swing it, the 225's
look real sharp under the wheel wells.  I thought that they would look
too small height-wise,
but they look great!  I'm glad I didn't go all the way to 235/60R14's
because I think they
might have looked too ballooney on the 6 inch rim.

I'm writing this at about 8:30 on Christmas night and I for one had a
great day.  I got new speakers for the Cutlass (Pioneers) and I can't
say that I'm real impressed.  They don't sound much different than the
Delco ones, but they were worth replacing.  I also got a set of
Rapidfire spark plugs (#7's).  I want to try to put them in tomorrow
before the Washington Auto Show (anybody going?).  I'm sure they will
work good.  I hope they do, because it'll be a bummer having to take
THOSE out and putting in EIGHT MORE!  What a pain it will be to even get
the current ones out!  Lessee...I got a 150 lb. torque wrench for the
more rigorous jobs on the Cutlass.  I also got "The Standard Catalog of
Oldsmoble".  It covers all Olds from 1897 to 1997.

Well, I better go now.  What's next, the New Year?  Olds will (as per
the year) be 101 in a few weeks...time flys, huh?  Take care, y'all.

- --Jason Adcock
- --jadcock@vt.edu
- --http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/index.html

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 20:40:28 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Problem

Erik,
 None of the other attachments should be holding down the manifold. Just crud,
sealer, and time. Use the bigger hammer method. Use a large screwdriver or
chisel and drive it under the intake working on an area that is well
supported. On the sides against a flat surface of the heads is best. Work one
side then the other. When it comes free you will see that your work has just
begun.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 17:53:20 -0800
From: Erik <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Problem

CCRR12 wrote:
> 
> Erik,
>  None of the other attachments should be holding down the manifold. Just crud,
> sealer, and time. Use the bigger hammer method. Use a large screwdriver or
> chisel and drive it under the intake working on an area that is well
> supported. On the sides against a flat surface of the heads is best. Work one
> side then the other. When it comes free you will see that your work has just
> begun.
> 
> Randy in Okla
> 57 88 J/2
Yeah, I'll have to try that.  What do u mean when u say that my work has
just begun?

erik B.

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:46:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel

On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:
> Now I am confused.  I have on one of my 442 a black steering wheel
> with two horns and ribbing (which I thought was a deluxe steering
> wheel). 

That's exactly right. 

> The other has a 3 spoke wheel with stainless inserts and
> a horn in the center with olds logo.  The wheel itself is wood grained.
> Does this second car have a H/O steering wheel?

That's the '68 sport steering wheel. Wish I had one too! :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:48:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Fw: 70 Olds NOS 8-Track Player

On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, Gary Andresen wrote:
> >Model # 03BT411, Product # 7313283.  Replacement unit without knobs or
> case.
> >Mint and show quality.  Email for more info.
> >
> >paul3130@aol.com

He told me he wants $250 + shipping for it. Seems pricey considering you 
need to get the case, knobs, etc., from somewhere else before you can use 
it. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 21:47:19 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Problem

Erik,
Didn't mean to alarm you. Just that it can take some time and effort to clean
up the old gasket gunk and prepare the surface for a new set. Usually if the
old manifold is stuck on pretty good, it comes to reason that the cleanup can
be tougher. However this is not a bad sign. If the manifold had just lifted
right off, it would have been an
indication that the prior install had been a short time ago, had been poorly
sealed,
was leaking profusely, and/or all of the above. Take it as a good sign and pry
that dude open. Good luck.

Randy in Okla

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:54:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Rallye pac for 77-85 B-body

I think Mike Hall was talking about doing this swap. I have an 
opportunity to get one for mine, but aside from being a low priority 
compared to the other things I'd like to do to it, it seems like a lot of 
work. I think you'd need to change a couple of sending units, and knowing 
what a nightmare the wiring harness in these cars is under the dash I was a 
little leery of trying it. If you want to keep the idiot lights you would 
need to somehow have 2 different sending units installed for the temp and 
oil pressure lights and guages. I have heard of this being done with tees 
for the o/p sender and using a spare water opening on the intake for the 
temp sender, but have never seen it myself.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:34:21 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine #'s

In a message dated 97-12-25 13:49:02 EST, you write:

<< All 68-69's came with C heads. >>
Thanks Rob,

Found the C, but didn't see numbers beneath it.  Found a pad, I think,
underneath it on the block, (had to go under the car), but couldn't see #'s on
it, even after wire-brushing.  There is a similar pad on the block on the
passenger side.  Copper/bronze sounds like it, it was reddish (I thought
maroon), not blue or yellowish/gold.  The engine was repainted black when
rebuilt, after I first got it, the guy didn't know where to find paint, so
maybe I can't read #'s because the paint filled them?

# on the oil filler tube doesn't match the VIN.  

Still a mystery :)

Aaron

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:37:12 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine #'s

In a message dated 97-12-25 18:09:03 EST, you write:

<< 394-548 is the number of the C heads, which are correct for a '68-'69 442
 400 cu in motor. (the numbers are actually cast into the head, not stamped).
 
 The number stamped on the oil filler tube is the engine unit code.  The
 first number indicates the year the engine was assembled  >>

Brad,

Thanks.  Sounds like the engine came out of a '68 442 then? - makes sense,
because I checked the carb #'s a long time ago, and figured the carb was from
a '68.  I do have power steering, and haven't found the VIN#s, and I think
I'll stop looking :)

Thanks,

Aaron

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 22:40:42 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Valve seals and Spring Compressor 350 CID

Not sure about the old "Umbrella" seals, however seals should be
available anywhere, and not expensive.

As for the valve spring compressor. Well, if you intend on using one
according to your description, then you will need the use of an air
compressor to keep the cylinder charged with air so that the valve
doesn't fall in when you remove the spring. They are available at any
auto store and rentals. The changing of valve seals is not terribly
difficult but time consuming. Good luck.
> ----------
> From: 	tcjmiami@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:tcjmiami@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, December 24, 1997 11:14 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Valve seals and Spring Compressor 350 CID
> 
> I have a 1970 Cutlass S Convertible. The 350 4 bbl needs valve seals. 
> I would like to get a set of the old "Umbrella" seals that I used in 
> the 70s are these still available?
> 
> I also used a valve spring compressor that looked sort of like a pry 
> bar with a hole that I would attach to a Rocker Stud as a valve 
> spring COmpressor. By memory KD made these compressor tools are these 
> still around or am I going down a dead end memory lane? I assume that 
> the tool that I remember using on "Chevrolets" will work on an Olds.
> 
> Let me know if you  have any tips on this project before I jump in 
> and start cursing. (=;
> 
> Thank you in advance for your information.
> 
> 
> Tom Johnson
> 1970 Cutlass S Convertible
> 

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 23:37:21 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Fountain of Questions...[long]

Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> > How well do 225/60R14's fit in the 80s Cutli?
> > Does the handling increase?
> 
> They fit great!  I've had my BFG Radial T/A's (225/60R14) on for about 2
> weeks now and they work wonderfully.  If you have a 75 series (195/75R14) on there
> now, I'm sure you will notice a difference in handling.  You'll definitely notice a
> harsher ride.

No Joke, feels like I am riding on a set of razor blades.

> Just one thing, though.  I have the 14x6 Chrome SSIII rallye wheels.
> They guy at the tire place said that they've put 225/60's on Monte Carlos before and
> they rubbed on the control arms.  Does yours have hubcaps?  If so, you probably have > 14x5 or 14x5.5 wheel.

Hmmm, didn't think of this...  But (Sigh) yeah, I got the Hub Caps....

> If you have a wheel narrower than 6 inches, might I suggest 215/70R14's?  I had those > before and they worked good, too.  I just wanted to try a different brand and
> ended up wanting a wider tire while I was at it.  If you get 215/70R14's, your 
> speedometer will read slower than you are actually going, assuming it's accurate to > start with.

It's the most accurate one I've had so far, so I am planning to keep it
in the same heights...  Maybe I outta look at 215/65s...  Not a drastic
change, but it might work...  It's only a little set away from the
225/60s...  And if they are supposed to come with 205/70s, 215/65 might
fit a little better.

> > WHAT are the STOCK size tires (Mine has 195/75R14), and is there an
> > alternate size???
> 
> Stock on mine was 205/70R14.  That might have been because of the
> rallyes or the F41 suspension package.  So, 205/70R14's will fit great, too.  If you 
> can swing it, the 225's look real sharp under the wheel wells.  I thought that they 
> would look too small height-wise, but they look great!  I'm glad I didn't go all the  > way to 235/60R14's because I think they might have looked too ballooney on the 6 inch > rim.

Well, 195/75 is the next size down from the 205/70 (go up a size, down a
series), I can't stand the loose slow handling on the car as it is
now...
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:03:11 EST
From: Bowtie911 <Bowtie911@aol.com>
Subject: Re:Going Away

I don't remember exactly what I'm to do, but I'm going away for a few days and
won't be here to read all the mail. Will be back on 5 Jan. 98. So please stop
all 
mail until then. Thanks.
bowtie911

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:17:00 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine #'s

To my knowledge the pad on the block on drivers side is the only
place where the vin is stamped on block. this is very hard to see with heads
on and any other assessories mounted on motor. The fact motor has been
repainted as you indicate may just have paint covering numbers.
No info on passenger side anywhere.
As long as it's a G block it's a 400 cid. Correct engine for car. I always
find
it interesting that people can get so hung up on matching no's on cars that
they perfer to drive and not put in museums.  Enjoy the car when you get it
back on the road.  If you really want to enjoy it pull the 400 while its down
and
find a 455 short block to replace it with. Heads and all other top half parts 
are same for both.  If you haven't driven a 442 with a 455 in it vs. the long
stroke 400
our came with -- you'll soon realize what torque is all about.

NO COMPARISON.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 00:36:25 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel

Chris,

I believe that Cutlasses had the wood wheel as an option for 1968.  the
brochures show them.  I have seen them on cars.  Mine has one.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Hi all,
>
>Now I am confused.  I have on one of my 442 a black steering wheel
>with two horns and ribbing (which I thought was a deluxe steering
>wheel).  The other has a 3 spoke wheel with stainless inserts and
>a horn in the center with olds logo.  The wheel itself is wood grained.
>
>Does this second car have a H/O steering wheel?
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:13:35 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: re:delta 88 questions

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wondering if there are any head swaps i can do for performance,and if =
anyone has a reccomendation on a better carb,seeing how this one is =
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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 07:10:37 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: seasons greetings

your first name wouldn't happen to be dave would it?

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> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: seasons greetings
> Date: Wednesday, December 24, 1997 8:28 AM
> 
> Rocketters,
> 	Whether you celebrate the Festival of Lights, the birth of a Savior,
give
> thanks for the fruit of the earth, or gather around with family and
friends
> and celebrate life it's self, let us all return next year safe and sound.
> 
> 	Let us also thank our host for putting up with our sometimes endless
> chatter.
> 
> 					Peace
> 					The General

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:20:27 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine #'s/455!

Rob,

In a message dated 97-12-26 00:21:24 EST, you write:

<< can get so hung up on matching no's on cars that
 they perfer to drive and not put in museums.  >>

I agree.  Still, I was curious :)

<< Enjoy the car when you get it
back on the road. >>

I'm enjoying it now!  Except for the trunk lid popping up now and then, it
drives the same :)

<< If you really want to enjoy it pull the 400 while its down
and find a 455 short block to replace it with. Heads and all other top half
parts 
are same for both.  If you haven't driven a 442 with a 455 in it vs. the long
stroke 400 our came with -- you'll soon realize what torque is all about.
NO COMPARISON.>>

I guess you made the switch?

I've always wanted a 455!  I've been thinking about it for years.  But I'm not
tech knowledgeable about engines.   What would this cost?

I have a million questions...

Did you keep your old block, or sell it?  Did you do the work yourself?  I'm
not in a position to do that.  What's a rebuilt 68/69 400 engine worth $, (20k
miles), if I just swapped whole engines?

What about motor mounts and exhaust manifolds.

Alternator brackets, air cond. brackets, pwr steering, etc.  

I actually came across an ad the other day for a "455 Rocket plus trans,
strong, low mileage, drive car come. $500"  How does one know if it's a
short/long block?

What's a good price for a 455 short block?

If I kept all the usables from my rebuilt 400, what new parts would the 455
need to guarantee long-term usability, and max power/performance?  Would my
new fuel pump fit?

Found an Edlebrock torquer intake for $99 for an Olds 455 (is that a good
idea? would it give me anything? would it fit using all my 400 parts?)

I also may need a new carb, I'm not yet sure why I'm running rich.

Are all 455 short blocks the same?  Year wise?

If I sold my 400 (20K miles on it), would it pay for a good deal of a rebuilt
or nice 455?

I know I have a lot of question, but I've always just loved and enjoyed my
car, and  have never gotten involved with engine tech information.

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:43:03 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: What did Santa leave you!

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SEASON'S GREETINGS to all list members and their families!

I thought it would be fun to see what gifts list members got from =
"Santa".   Mom & dad gave me a wonderful gift;

the 1971 Olds "Product selling info" & "Colors & fabrics" sales books. =
(talk about interesting)  Now if I can just find the "Salesman's Specs" =
book to go with it.  Anyone have a 1971 version they want to sell?

Other gifts include:  not one but TWO hallmark, 1969 H/O Xmas ornaments =
(cool), a badly needed car cover, and a iomega zip drive so I can spend =
even more time behind the computer.  :)

What goodies did you get?


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 09:17:46 -0700
From: tstarkey@pop.dnvr.uswest.net
Subject: Tranny, Rebuild/Replace?

Hope all had a good start to the holiday season!

I've got a 68 Cutlass Supreme (350, 4 barrel) with a 2 speed automatic
transmission, I don't know any more about it than that. This thing leaks
fluid like crazy, I've replaced the pan gasket and didn't even slow it
down. Other than leaking fluid, it seems to work alright.

I don't want a race car, just one that sounds nice and could maybe go
from stoplight to stoplight a little faster than most. My question is,
should I rebuild the existing transmission or should I replace it with
something else? Estimates to have it rebuilt run from $450 to $650
dollars. One option I thought of was to try to install a "seal kit"
myself, does anyone have any experience/recommendations on that?

Thanks!
Tom Starkey

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:30:07 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Replacement Carb?

I think rather than trying to fix my current carb when it has a warped body to
begin with is probably futile, so I'm leaning towards a new/rebuilt carb so
once the car's repainted, the rear-end doesn't turn grey with soot.

What are y'all's recommendations?

I am not concerned with originality, but best performance: power/mileage

As well as reasonable price.  

And will non Rochester carbs still work with my air-cleaner assembly?

Thanks,
Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:29:48 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine #'s

In a message dated 97-12-26 00:21:24 EST, you write:

<< As long as it's a G block it's a 400 cid. >>

#396026 G, so it's a 400

Thanks

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 12:02:51 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

For Christmas Santa gave me the Oldsmobile Restoration Guide, a book on how to
redo your interior, a 100.00 gift certificate to the Parts Place, a book
called Muscle Cars American Thunder (very good book), and some parts from Year
one.


Jim
70 Rallye 350
70 Cutlass W31

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 11:22:03 +0000
From: Michael Slocum <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Lost without my old Cutlass

First of all I'd like to say that, as a new member, I'm very impressed
by the knowledge and comradery the members of this service have. The
internet is rather new to me and my family and this is the first club
I've joined. I know I have more questions than answers but, eventually,
I'll know something about great ol' Cutlass'.

That said, I am looking for an old olds. Somewhere between '68 and '77.
I don't have alot of cash to spend ( btween $500-$1500) and would like
to do alot of the retoration myself. Oh ya, I need an everyday /
dependable car. Does anyone have an idea where I can start? I've looked
in the local papers and only found a '72 Cutlass / 350 w/ 72,000 for
$3K.

Thanks! HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!

Mike Slocum
Chicago

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 10:28:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Burger <erb22@yahoo.com>
Subject: putting headers on the '70 442

Thanks everyone for you info on the lip for the hood!

I'm putting headers on the 442, since it needs a new exhaust anyway. 
Does anyone here have any experience with headers for a 455, and more
specifically, how easy it is to fit them into a 442?  I wanted headers
that would make a lot of torque (tri-y headers?).  Does anyone know of
a company that makes headers that wont cost me more than the rest of
car?

Thanks bunches,

Ed




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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 13:45:44 EST
From: Atlanticam <Atlanticam@aol.com>
Subject: oldsmobile

       i have a 66 cutlass convertable .that i looking to sell. body is in
good shape and the power train was rebuild.what do you think it is wearth?car
is all oringinal.



                               please write back bmurphy769

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:27:04 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: old double hump on a g-body?

have any of you guys put a old style double hump transmission support on a
late model g-body?  for Christmas i got a pair of headers so i want to put
them in and have 2.5" pipes with flowmasters.  to have 2.5" pipe, i have to
have a double hump transmission support.  i dont want to run both pipes on the
passenger side.  also, should i get 2-chambers or 3-chambers?  (this is just
your opinions, of coarse)  i have a th350 and im considering putting in a
2004r, also.  i just need some advise, either way.  id love to hear whatever
you have to say.  thanks

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 14:18:20 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Window Rollers

Hey Folks!

    My 455 is in, and it runs like a dream! A little bit rough on the
idle at 500 rpm in drive (JM 20-22 cam) but is a blast to stomp on :)

    I'm  looking for a window roller stud part for my '69 Cutlass 'S'.
The window has been moving back and forth freely in the channel for a
little while (making air sealing a little tough!).  I opened it up to
find that the rear vertical guide track's roller and stud had broken.
This is the part that bolts through the window glass and has a roller on
one end to ride in the guide track.  It mounts to the window via two
disk-like washers (with rubber gaskets), the outer of which actually
threads to the stud.  I can't seem to get one from any Olds
dealers...they all look shell-shocked when I say I have a '69...then
proceed to start telling me what a bad idea it is to own an older car
and hard it is to find parts...sheesh.

    I've searched around a bit...calling places that I found on 442.com,
but to no avail so far.  Anybody got any ideas?  Please let me
know...thanks for the help!

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455 - - mmmm...torque...

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 15:40:21 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Round 2 With Insurance Company

Guy came out and agreed (at least to my face) that the car is worth more than
the damage. !!  I'll know more Tuesday.

Found a 69 Cutlass 4 door in a junkyard with the radio plate I need, and an
original radio in a 70 Delta 88 that looks right (is it?).  $10, but I forgot
that I took my tools out after the accident so I couldn't get them.  

Found a 66 Cutlass 4 door as well, and some 71's

No Vista Cruisers, where have they all gone?

Found a Pacer :)

Delta 88 has a 455 in it, if I were to want one, but one thing at a time.  

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:44:56 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

DR OLDS350 wrote:
> 
> For Christmas Santa gave me the Oldsmobile Restoration Guide, a book on how to
> redo your interior, a 100.00 gift certificate to the Parts Place, a book
> called Muscle Cars American Thunder (very good book), and some parts from Year
> one.

Santa left me a model of a 55 Olds Starfire Convertible, the '69 H/O
ornament, a Super HEI kit from MSD, and "Oldsmobile Muscle Cars" by
Holder & Kunz. Today, I got a dipstick tube, two cans of gold paint, a
Transpak, and an oil pickup.

Tomorrow at approx. 1:30: THE ENGINE BUILDING BEGINS!

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:52:11 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: delta 88 questions

Erik Gertsen wrote:
> 
> I have a 73 delta 88 w/455 rocket motor and 4 barrel(rochester?)- im
> wondering if there are any head swaps i can do for performance

Yeah, anything earlier than what you got!!! Trust me, I have a 73 350
with #8's. I was getting 8:1 compression IF THAT. I have some #6's going
on now and will have about 9.5:1.

> anyone has a reccomendation on a better carb,seeing how this one is
> half-functional.

How's it half-functional? Unless you're building an all out race motor,
the 4 bbl Q-Jet is just fine. They flow up to 780 cfm....i
think....right guys?

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:11:19 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: old double hump on a g-body? Headers?

What kind of headers did u get?  What yr is your car? What motor is in there?
I have an 86 Salon.
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:21:48 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fountain of Questions...[long] plug #'s

what was the part # for the rapid fire plugs.? b-4 i put my 71 350 into my 86
salon, Id like to try them....thanks
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:38:07 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

RC wrote:

>What goodies did you get?

A friend was shopping at a Toys-R-Us when he ran across a die-cast Olds.
The brand name is "Road Champs", and it's a 1/43 scale 1955 Olds 98
Convertible.  (Orange and white.)  They had a red and white one, but he said
the rear bumper had fallen off of it, and it looked like it had been dropped
repeatedly.  The detail is pretty good, but of course it's not on the scale
of the Ertl '69 442 and H/O.  It does make a nice addition to the Olds
collection...

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html 

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 16:43:17 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

Oops!
              After I read Matt's post, I remembered that the die-cast I got
was a '55 Starfire, not a 98...

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:41:55 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Spoiler/W-30 Red inner fender wells

Found a spoiler from a Ralleye 350, slightly cracked he said, asking $100
New/unused repro fender wells for 70-72 W-30 asking $250

I must be going car crazy because i've been thinking of putting the spoiler on
the back of my convertible like on some of the GTO's.  Probably ruin the
lines.

The guy is in Georgia.  He also has c-heads, and is selling a 71 W-30 $6500

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:41:53 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Window Rollers

In a message dated 97-12-26 15:31:16 EST, you write:

<< Anybody got any ideas?  Please let me
 know...thanks for the help!
  >>

Junkyards.  

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 19:01:47 -0800
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: OLDS! Feb 98 Collectible Automobile

List-weenies,

First, I hope everyone is enjoying their holidays as much as I am.  Great 
to finally have a some time off (School's out 2 wks -- NNnNN).

Second, drive, (or run or crawl if your Olds is still up on jackstands 
like mine) to the nearest newsstand and get the February 98 issue of 
Collectible Automobile.  Jeannie, the super shopper she is, found one for 
my stocking.  The cover is a 1940 Series 90 Custom Cruiser and a banner 
proclaiming "Oldsmobile's Great Ones".  Way Cool!  The article, "The 
Legacy of Ranson E. Olds" runs 12 pages with mucho excellent photographs. 

Strangely, no 442 pix!  Yikes!  :o  What's up with that?

TOROHEADS: Includes Ken Nelson's 66, a 90 Trofeo, and a 95 Aurora.  :)

Interesting reading -- looking forward to your reviews.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:15:49 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: air conditioning

Yo,
	Does anyone know what year air conditioning compressors are the same?
Is there a change from the late sixties to the early seventies?

				Tanks
				The general

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 18:40:02 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Window Rollers

>    I'm  looking for a window roller stud part for my '69 Cutlass 'S'.
>The window has been moving back and forth freely in the channel for a
>little while (making air sealing a little tough!).  I opened it up to
>find that the rear vertical guide track's roller and stud had broken.
>This is the part that bolts through the window glass and has a roller on
>one end to ride in the guide track.  It mounts to the window via two
>disk-like washers (with rubber gaskets), the outer of which actually
>threads to the stud.  I can't seem to get one from any Olds
>dealers...they all look shell-shocked when I say I have a '69...then
>proceed to start telling me what a bad idea it is to own an older car
>and hard it is to find parts...sheesh.
>
>    I've searched around a bit...calling places that I found on 442.com,
>but to no avail so far.  Anybody got any ideas?  Please let me
>know...thanks for the help!
>
>John Ramsey
>'69 Cutlass 'S' 455 - - mmmm...torque...
>
>
   John, they're a fairly common item at least in a junk yards.  Great if
you don't have to buy a whole door to get the common glass hardware that was
used in many years in many makes and models.  Possibly another place to get
them would be to check out an auto glass shop.  These are not just common to
Oldsmobile...any GM dealership that can source the spares system via their
computer network will work.  Your best shot is to find one that has a parts
person on the counter that has been around for a few years. You'd be
surprised as to how one person is able to find a needle in a haystack along
with using their experience and the other guy, using the same equipment and
system, will come up with a "nope" real quick.


   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2  

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 19:33:41 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.

Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> I'm writing this at about 8:30 on Christmas night and I for one had a
> great day.  I got new speakers for the Cutlass (Pioneers) and I can't
> say that I'm real impressed.  They don't sound much different than the
> Delco ones, but they were worth replacing.

Cool....  What size?? Santa/Work gave me enough loot to grab a set of
Sony 4-Way 6X9s, and the adapter to make them fit the GM 4X10 (Ugh)
holes... I am REAL impressed with these...  I have a guy at work that's
got a set of Pioneer 4Way 6X9s in his Regal, and I was sorta impressed,
and a Girl that used to work with us, and her SS had Sony 2Way 6X9s, I
was sorta impressed...  Heck, I BOUGHT 3Ways, Sears screwed up and gave
me the 4Ways for $100...  <G>

> I also got a set of Rapidfire spark plugs (#7's).  I want to try to put them in 
> tomorrow before the Washington Auto Show (anybody going?).  I'm sure they will
> work good.  I hope they do, because it'll be a bummer having to take
> THOSE out and putting in EIGHT MORE!  What a pain it will be to even get
> the current ones out!

No joke...  Santa also dropped off:
Accel Cap and Rotor Kit
Accel 8.8 Wires
Bosch Platium Plugs

I learned that #8 is a ROYAL Pia to get out, Left side is EASY, I have
A/C, so the Right side took some TLC, but #8 broke on the way out... 
One a stranger note, with 130K on the original owners ODO, the Plugs and
Wire and Cap were GM parts, not someone's cheepy brand replacements.... 
Possible FACTORY parts??? Maybe dealer workings?  Either way, BIG
DIFFERENCE!!!  I also got the "Ram-Air" System installed on the car
after I played with the plugs and wires for a day...  I took dryer
venting, and ran it into the snorkel tubing....  NICE...  Another
"Pick-Me-Up"  Makes a LITTLE difference in 0-60, but a BIG difference in
40-60 WOT for a pass...  Also sounds good...  And the exhaust isn't even
dual with my Flows yet.  Either way, I ROCKS!!!  MUCHLY RECOMMENDED!

> Lessee...I got a 150 lb. torque wrench for the more rigorous jobs on the Cutlass.  

I got Robogrip Pliers...  Two of them!!  I love the one I have at work,
and Dad knew it, sooooo  Now I got some for home!  Just can't seem to
find anything I can use them on yet!

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