
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, February 3 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1084



Re: FS: 1985 Cutlass Salon
FS: '78 Delta 88
heads & blocks available, mid-MI
455 odd heads
V8 Wanted In Midwest Region
Re: stripes
Re: tranny
Re: stripes
Re: golf ball
Reply: stripes
Re: Priming Fuel to Pump
Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.
Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)
Starfire Aerodynamics (was Re: Lexus bashing)
Re: Paint for air filter housing
Re: 1970 Cutalss for Salvage
frame interchange???
Re: Trivia
Re: Tricarb 442 for sale
Re: Just purchased a 455
Re: oldsmobile-74-76 Air cushions
Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)
Re: 307 => 350 swap (and upgrade)
Re: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques
stripes
Re: Need advice on Olds Purchase
Re: 65 F85 Street Machine???
Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit
stripes
Removing Radio/Heater Control Trim (Was Re: Varsolved!)
LA Junkyards
olds 442
converting to power seats
Re: option codes [bs]
1966 OLDSMOBILE ENG 425
Re: burning up points
Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)
testing
Re: 1970 Cutalss for Salvage
Re: guage silkscreening
Re: Tricarb 442 for sale
Re: GN/SS/442 Exhaust on  a "Y" 307
HELP 
1968 442 for sale: take 2
Howdy...
15" SS wheel...
68 442 rag Stripe info
Re: Tricarb 442 for sale
RE Joined OCA
UNBOUNCE: '66 425 Engine
UNBOUNCE: '69 Power Antenna
Top Ten Rejected Slogans For Ford
Re: FORD fuel problem
'87 Toro radio
Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)
Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long) continued
Ready to drool again?
Re: Trivia
Re: option codes [bs]
Tranny burning fluid?
Re: 68 442 rag Stripe info
Re: Emissions questions
68 cutlass front fender crome strip
Re: regal hood swap?
Re: G-body interchangeability with Buick

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:32:14 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: FS: 1985 Cutlass Salon

MROTHE wrote:

> has led a pampered life.  This '86 is well used, but seems to be in
> GREAT shape.  If any of you out there has bought a used mid 80's
> Cutlass/442, please share some thoughts as to what I should be looking
> for, like what are some common problem areas.  

I got a what seems to have led a quiet life, but it came with a trailer
hitch that's frame mounted and has signs that point to some decent sized
trailering, the man said it pulled a "small" boat.  It's got a small
seal leak on the back of the tranny every once in a while...

2. SES light likes to some on, with code 45...  Have a friend with an 85
Regal, and a Girl at work with an 86 SS that all pop the same code... 
Regal's led a HARD life with a Buick V6, pushing 250K easy, the SS has
also seen a tough life, on it's 5th owner with a fresh 350 Chevy, all
computer controlled though...  Area of note???

3. Suspension, pointing at shocks...  I didn't see anything wrong on the
"bounce" test, where you bounce the corners up and down, returns
solidly, and quickly to normal, but at speeds above 35MPH, feels like a
bass boat stuck in a storm.  Front end just bounces..  <G>

Other than that, hoses, and belts...  And it's on it's way...  Mine was
bought in Nov, with 131K, and I've got 135K on the clock now, so I don't
know how helpful I am...

> I believe someone here once said that rustout in the rear frame area was notorious on > these cars, but I'm not sure.  

Mine's a good clean "southern" car...  Body/Frame AWESOME... 
Headliner/Visors/Weather stripping.....  SHOT.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: 1 Feb 1998 21:47:10 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: FS: '78 Delta 88

Saw this in the local paper (The Valley Times, San francisco Bay area,
California):

OLDSMOBILE  '78 Delta 88, new transmission, F41 (HD suspension package),
HD cooling, kawa (kiwi) green.  $1800  510-934-0129

Usual disclaimers apply, I do not benefit from the sale of this car,
want to see it stay away from the wrecking yards.

Mike Jones

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:15:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: heads & blocks available, mid-MI

There's a guy near St. Johns, MI who used to be a rebuilder. Selling his large
stash of heads, blocks, etc. cheap. I looked over the pile a yr or 2 ago, found
a K head, not much else. A few 455 blocks, of which I have plenty already.

Anyow, he's ready to scrap 'em. Any interest?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:20:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 455 odd heads

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:15:51 +1030
From: "Scott " <scott@tplex.com.au>
Subject: Head Identification - Odd Heads on 455BB

After all of the discussion recently re: head identification I thought I'd
check what I have got on mine.

The block has an id of 396021F (68-72 455) the number on the oil filler
tube is 8548070 ??? (I couldn't find any reference to this number on the
olds FAQ page). The head on the passenger side is a "C" head (C cast at
rear end of block) with a cast serial number of 394548, on the driver side
its an "A" head (A cast at front end of block) with a cast serial number of
383821.

What I am not sure about is what problems if any I am likely to encounter
running odd heads, the only thing I could think of was differences in flow
due to design and valve differences.
=======================
8xxxxxx & F block: '68 455, should have C heads.
The FAQ does not go into that oil fill tube # much because- the fill tube is
easily removed, and all it is is a year ID and an engine sequential number.

The A head would be a 1965 425 or 442's 400 cid motor head. Slightly different
rocker pedestals, fingible as a unit with the C's.

btw, that casting # such as 394548 is not a "serial" number. "Serial" implies a
number that increments with each unit made- like the number on the engine's oil
fill tube or the VIN. All C heads have the same casting number: 394548.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:20:19 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: V8 Wanted In Midwest Region

I posted a similiar message to this but am writing again in case some 
people missed it and I also have another question.  Does anyone have 
a small block olds V8 in the midwest (OH) for sale or know of one?  I 
am trying to find the best engine candidate for my car and would like 
to explore all possibilities.  So far I have an offer for $350 for a 
403 plus another $100 for the TH400 with it.  Is this a good price?  
Thanks for any responses. 

Joe



- --------------------------------------------------
- ---Joe Gerschutz------------------------------
- ---University of Dayton----------------------
- ---gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu--------
- --------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 01:27:47 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: stripes

> i need some info on my hood
> i have a 72 hood with louvers on it
> i believe it is a 442 hood without the w-30 package but not sure
> does anyone know the correct striping for this hood
> i have seen two different stripe configurations

You are right.  Two different stripe combos for '72.  On the ram air
hood, with scoops, two big fat paint patches covered the tops of the
scoops, outlined by a thin stripe.  Now, on the louvered hood, two
stripes on each side, one fat and one skinny adorned the perimeter of
the hood bumps.  The strange looking deal was the stripes went their
separate ways when it got to the louvers, encasing them, as it were. 
They then met up again on the other side of the louver.  Hard to
describe, you'd just have to see it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 01:36:03 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: tranny

> Hmmmm... what exactly is there in a TH350 or 400 that "reciprocates"?
> 
> Just for clarity... guess he meant "less rotational inertia" to load the
> engine.

Gosh Chris, read what I mean, not what I write.  :)  "Rotational mass"
is what I was actually trying to say.  Somehow I got crossed up with
engines and crankshafts.....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:42:12 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: stripes

In a message dated 98-02-02 00:45:45 EST, you write:

<< i need some info on my hood
 i have a 72 hood with louvers on it
 i believe it is a 442 hood without the w-30 package but not sure
 does anyone know the correct striping for this hood
 i have seen two different stripe configurations
 the hardtop was a little different from the convertible
 i dont have the dual scooped hood which has the thick stripes
 on the - i think this is the w-30 hood
 any help is appreciated
 dave >>

louvers?  hmm..  that sounds like a '66 or '67 hood.  sure its a '72?

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:42:23 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Re: golf ball

In a message dated 98-02-02 00:10:28 EST, you write:

<< it from 1965. It is in a small blue and white box that says "drive the
 > rocket action car", "Go where the action is", and has the rocket 
 
 Sounds like something worth hanging on to, for sure.  I've got an Olds
 golf ball, too.  Came across it half a year ago.  It's got the new Olds
 logo, with "Oldsmobile" right under it.  It's a Top Flight Z-Balata, for
 any golf fans that know (or care) what that means...  A brand, anyway. 
 Your's definately sounds much cooler than this one, but I'm not planning
 on letting anyone use this ever, regardless.
 
 -- 
                Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet >>
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

Charley, the ball you have is one that is given out to particpants in the
'Oldsmobile National Scramble Tournament' that starts with local competition.
I have played in several of these tournaments the last few years, getting
several Olds items in the goody bags. List members might want to check with
friends who play golf, for these freebies. Golfers tend to get tons of this
stuff, placing little value on them. The tournament is held every summer at
1000's of golf courses throughout the country. 
By the way, 'Top-Flite' is the brand, Z-Balata refers to the type,
specifically the material used for the outer cover. 
Now about that ball from 65......................

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:40:18 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Reply: stripes

In a message dated 98-02-02 02:20:09 EST, you write:

<< << i need some info on my hood
  i have a 72 hood with louvers on it
  i believe it is a 442 hood without the w-30 package but not sure
  does anyone know the correct striping for this hood
  i have seen two different stripe configurations
  the hardtop was a little different from the convertible
  i dont have the dual scooped hood which has the thick stripes
  on the - i think this is the w-30 hood
  any help is appreciated
  dave >>
  >>
It depends on what kind of louvers.  If the louvers are chrome and as you look
from inside the car to the outside and the louvers face north/south then it is
a Cutlass S
hood.  If the louvers are more like slots near the rear of the hood, then this
hood 
came on a Cutlass's with non-air.
There was a total of 4 hoods you could get.
1 The Ram Air hood known as O.A.I. (outside air induction)
2. Chorme louvers
3. Chrome louvers with vents
4. plain hood with vents  
I have never seen a hood with no vents or louvers other than an O.A.I.  maybe
soemone could enlighten me on this one.
With this in mind, you could get special trim on the hoods, on 442's an
Oldsmobile
emblem on the left front of the hood and also a stripe down the center of the
hood.
Of course O.A.I. hoods all got hoodpins and the special stripes.  This covers
70-72 Cutlass and 442's

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:43:04 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Re: Priming Fuel to Pump

In a message dated 98-02-02 00:40:33 EST, Chris Witt wrote:

<< 
 2- to get fuel thru the lines, the Olds service manual says to make a vacuum
 inducing device out of fuel line, blow air in at an angle so it ends up going
 the direction you want the fuel to go. Sounds messy to me. You can blow a
SMALL
 amount of air into the tank- in the return line, or in the fill hole using a
 rag as a seal- watch tank for a SMALL amount of "ballooning". That works
well.
 Lung pressure will even do that, often.
   Then again, as long as a [the?] carb is full of fuel- easy to do thru the
 vent tube- that will run it plenty long enough to get the FP up-n-primed.
 
 3- "Witt-less"? what's up w/ that? Is that an insult or a compliment?
 --
 Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
  >>

Thanks for the info. I have already successfully used two of the methods
listed:
        
         Pressurized the tank using an air hose and a rag. The first expansion
'pop'
         gave me goosebumps, but it did fill the pickup tube with fuel.
  
         I then used the trusty old shop-vac with duct tape and few other
accessories 
         to start the flow. Just like priming an old water well pump.

My purpose was not only to have fuel at the pump, but to make an additional
flush of the old fuel line on a car that had been stored for almost 20 years.
Running clean gas through the line into a totally new system was my concern.
Just trying to prevent any problems that I don't want to deal with when
starting up a fresh engine. That old mentality of ' might as well do it while
I,m here'.

The "Witt-less" was included to insure that you got out your red pencil on
this one.
Worked didn't it!

Randy in Oklahoma  
57 88 J2

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:47:06 -0800 (PST)
From: h07@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: More Power.  Argh argh argh.

On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, KS7RACING wrote: (Snip!)
>I have a 80 Starfire with a 231 V-6, and have thought about the same thing
>(turbo) for it after I get done playing with it in SCCA Solo II (no turbos
>allowed in Street Prepared unless they were available in that exact car). Do
>either of you know of any places I can find more info about these engines? My
>experience is in the small-block Olds, with a foray or two into C-land (only
>when I have to)

When I ordered my Starfire GT new back in 1979 it was the middle
of the "Turbo Hawk" craze (Ref 1, 2).  I would have liked to have
ordered my Starfire with the 3.8L Turbo V6, but it wasn't available.
Instead I ordered the normally aspirated 231 V6 with the intension
of having it turbocharged.  Besides the factory Turbo V6, Kenne-Bell
had a kit for the V6 H07s (Starfire/Skyhawk).

As it turns out, I never purchased the Kenne-Bell kit and decided to
keep my Starfire completely stock.

In 1983 I then wrote to Buick "Special Products Engineering" asking
about the Turbo V6 swap and why it was never offered as an option
on the Skyhawks.  They replied that the system as designed would
not fit without considerable rework.

Sometime later (c 1990) I then contacted Kenne Bell to find out
that their H07 kit was no longer available.

I no longer plan on turbocharging my SFGT, but it sure would be
nice to see some more Turbo Hawks or Starfires on the road again.

References:
 1. Sherman, D., "TurboHawking", Car and Driver, Feb. 1978,
    pp. 35-37.
 2. Baker, C., "Operation Road Hawk", Hot Rod, Sept. 1979,
    pp. 80-83.


Mike                     OCA #08528
'79 Starfire GT          H07 Registry #032

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:47:12 -0800 (PST)
From: h07@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)

On Sat, 06 Sep 1997, <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM> wrote: (Snip!)
>     
>     Other phantoms?  How about a small block Olds-powered 75 Starfire 
>     (H-07 body style)?  A '98 Aurora-powered Bravada to go up against the

Yes, I wish this engine was also available in the Starfire.

From what I've read, Olds desperately wanted the H07 Starfire in
the early 70's, and was rumored at one point to get it exclusively.
Perhaps the reason they didn't offer a small block Olds in the
Starfire is that Oldmobile was already selling all of the engines
they could make in their other cars at the time.

Are there any problems with it fitting the Olds 350 in an engine bay
where a Chevy small block will fit?  Dave Smith used to run a Olds 350
powered Starfire in the early 80's.

Mike                     OCA #08528
'79 Starfire GT          H07 Registry #032

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:47:16 -0800 (PST)
From: h07@earthlink.net
Subject: Starfire Aerodynamics (was Re: Lexus bashing)

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote: (Snip!)
>I wonder if we can get a Pratt & Whitney jet engine, stick it in a 1980
>Starfire (decent aerodynamics, 2600+ lbs), and go racing.  The
>transmission and braking system might present a small problem, though. 
>Man what a power to weight ratio it would have!  Uh, you can drive it if

This reminds me of the JATO in Chevy on Arizona highway candidate
for the Darwin Awards story a couple of years ago.

But seriously, does anyone know what the aerodynamic drag
coefficient (Cd) and correpsonding cross sectional area for the
Starfire is?

PS.  I've been reading the digest all along, except when I was in
     Lansing for the Centennial.  I just didn't post any messages
     for quite a while.

Mike                     OCA #08528
'79 Starfire GT          H07 Registry #032

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:40:14 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint for air filter housing

do you want spray paint or paint in a can that you spray on?  if you want
paint that you put in a gun and spray on, just use any black.  set up the gut
to paint very lightly, so it dries out the paint as it puts it on.  i have
done this and it looks very well.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:47:40 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutalss for Salvage

i think i am interested in your car.  if the only problem is the front end,
all the parts are replacable.  what's the highest bid you have right now for
it?  i am in the ft. lauderdale area and maybe this weekend i can come down
and look at it.  what part of miami are you in?

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:52:16 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: frame interchange???

how hard is it to put a 70 body on a 73 frame?  i just heard about the 70
cutlass that was wrecked and i am willing to try to put the body on my 73
frame.  they are both cutlass'.  i have enough money and plenty of time to do
any mods that are needed.  has anyone done this before?  the 73 frame has a
403 with a th-350 and 2.73 rear end in it.  also it has front disc brakes.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:59:06 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Trivia

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>


>Many of you I'm sure know this, but I just noticed last night in an old
>Car Craft that the 307 was the last carbureted GM V8 to exist.  That's
>cool I suppose.
>
It would have been even cooler if it had been injected because it would make
it a lot easier for those of us that want an injected Olds.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:54:02 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: Tricarb 442 for sale

The tricarb (L69) setup was a factory/dealer option installed on approx.
2120 '66 442's, all four-speeds, all 400 motors.  I run one currently on my
455, also usable on a 425.  I don't believe I've ever seen any small-block
Olds tripower setups....

At 07:32 PM 2/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Michael A. Evans wrote:
>
>> Saw this ad today:
>> 
>> '66 Oldsmobile 442, 400 tripower, 4-speed, posi, solid, Cutlass chrome
>> rims, original spoked hubcaps, 39,000 miles, $4500 firm.  (810) 781-3953,
>> Shelby Township (Detroit area).
>> 
>> Not mine, don't know the people, just saw the ad.  I do, however, request a
>> ride as a finder's fee!
>Don't want to buy the car, but where'd they hook up with the intake for
>tri-power?  On a 400?  Does such an intake exist?  And won't it fit on the
>small blocks too?  What?
>
>
>
>> 
>> 
>
>Ray since the car is running perfect, the stereo stopped working Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass 
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:37:30 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Just purchased a 455

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>


>> How does the headers effect turning radius? I had an '82 Gutlass w/455
and cheapo
>>  headers (around $70) and had no problems with turning.
>
>Really??!!??  I'm getting excited all over again.  As far as I've
>researched, the big block Olds in the newer G-body required special
>headers, as none other would ~fit~.
<snip>
>so.  What headers are you using?  My 71 A-Body ones won't fit ~at all~
>but I'm really interested now.  What were yours ~supposed~ to fit???
>
It was almost ten years ago (man I'm getting old) when I did the swap. I
think I used '75-'76 455 Cutlass headers from JR (the shop I bought them
from no longer carries them). These were just the standard run of the mill
headers that ran inside the frame rails. The only modification I had to make
was a dent in one of the tubes on the passenger side to clear the lower
control arm mount. It was very tight getting them in. I had to remove (got
the headers after I installed the engine) the starter, oil filter pad, frame
mounts and engine mounts basically anything in the area that can be unbolted
or moved needs to be unbolted or moved. I think I also had to move the
engine sideways (to the opposite side than I was working on) and up to give
me more room. The drivers side header had to be loosened to remove the
starter and the other side wasn't under the oil filter so there wasn't a
problem with dripping oil on the headers during oil changes.

I also removed the huge A/C-heater box and put a plate over the hole and
then mounted a heater box out of a Monza to the plate then hooked up the
defroster and floor vents to that. I have seen people leave the factory
A/C-Heater in (and working) so it can be left there.

I used a '86-'87 GN radiator it isn't as wide as the V8 one but it has more
rows. Never had a problem overheating.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:15:35 +0000
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@flash.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-74-76 Air cushions

Does anyone have any info or parts on the air bags in 74 -76 olds.

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:47:13 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)

- -----Original Message-----
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 10:58 PM
Subject: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)


>Well, my truck ORIGINALLY had the
>HD 454 (no emission controls at all).

It seems kind of strange to me that your truck wasn't required to be
emission regulated when it was new but now it needs to meet emission
standards. What emission test standards are they using? Light or heavy duty.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:04:31 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 307 => 350 swap (and upgrade)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>

>
>Second of all, I need some advice towards freshening this motor...I was
>thinking about a re-ring and gasket kit (w/ rod to crank bearings), not
>to mention dropping in a mild cam and having the valve guides, lifters,
>and springs replaced.  Unless one of the cylinders is severely beat, I
>can't afford to have it machined

If you can't afford to do a complete rebuild now I would suggest just giving
it the basics oil pump, timing chain, fuel pump, water pump, and fresh
gaskets. Now would be a good time to try a cam that way if you don't like
its characteristics  it wont be that big of a deal to change it when your
rebuilding the engine, but if you wait till you rebuild it to change cams
and don't like your selection you'll have to remove all that stuff again.
Your best bet is to call several cam company's tell them what you have and
what you want and they will tell you what you need. Try contacting 3-4 that
way you'll have choices and a good idea of what you need.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:32:13 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques

Wooegrain inserts.
We finished cutting the patterns for the 72 olds instrument cluster last
night out of a vinyl woodgrain material. Looks very nice.
If interested drop us a letter.
Thanks ARS
Coy
- ----------
> From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Wanted: Dashboard woodgrain Appliques
> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 2:02 PM
> 
> John,
> 
> Originally, the Cutlass S did not come with the woodgrain applique. 
> However, Supreme and 442/Hursts did.  It is a thin aluminum plate, that
> has a raised bead around the surrounding edge.  It is
> glued/double-sticky-taped to the dash.  You will need 3 pieces.  The
> driver's side dash area, the glove box door, and ash tray door.
> 
> As far as anyone reproducing it, unfortunately, no one is.  The 70-72
> part is completely different.  It's ok, though, there should be SOMEONE
> with an extra set somewhere.  Try Jim Chermack at chermac@exis.net and
> see if he has any.  I got some from him once, and he was very
> reasonable.
> 
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:47:08 -0500
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: stripes

thanks mike at least i know i'm on the right track
i have pictures of louvered hoods
the convertible stripes are different than the hardtop
the convertible stripes are stripes that follow along
where the hardtop stripes become thick towards the front
of the hood and then go thin again towards the top
does anyone have any pictures available or any
factory specifications
thanks
dave

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:47:14 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Need advice on Olds Purchase

> sedans with 307 4bbl. Can anyone advise me on what's good/bad about a
> used one of these. I like the idea of a mid-sized car with a V-8
> (built-in Foop! with Foop being the sound a 4bbl V-8 makes when you
> stomp on it)

For the record, there's what looks like an '84-'85
Cutlass 4-door for sale here in the northwest suburbs
of Chicago in an Amoco station at Dempster & Elmhurst
Roads in Mount Prospect, IL. at... (pause to dig out gas
station receipt...) 1590 S. Elmhurst Rd, (847) 439-1334.
Looks pretty presentable... color is that typical medium
shade of Uncertain Blue Metallic, blue interior. It's
been at the gas station for a while; I kind of think they
put a rebuilt engine in it. Give 'em a call if interested.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:52:25 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: 65 F85 Street Machine???

> Local friend found one of these, with "Street Machine" in chrome on
the
> rear deck lid (trunk, for the laymen out there:) I'm guessing it's one
> of those K-mart emblems, but he says it looks really similar to the
Olds
> emblem's lettering.  Any clues????

You are correct; it's a fake. I didn't see that at K mart, but Giant
Auto Supply
used to sell that nameplate (it's in chrome script, in big loopy
lettering) and a
couple of other phrases that I've forgotten now. I think J.C. Whitney
has them,
too. Hopefully they didn't drill holes to attach the thing.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:56:30 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit

- ----------
> From: EDZX6@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit
> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 6:07 PM
> 
> Coy,
>   I'm interested in this vinyl stripes.  I'm planing on having my 72
painted
> in the near future.  How do this stripes get put on the car? I don't know
> anything about them.
> 
> Eddie
> 72 Cutlass S

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:07:29 -0500
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: stripes

thanks mark
i am on the right path
i just purchased an assembly manual
i hope to see factory specifications for the stripes in it
do you have any?
thanks
dave

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:28:26 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Removing Radio/Heater Control Trim (Was Re: Varsolved!)

>      Oh yeah, does anybody have an easy way of removing the
> radio/heater control trim on a 81-88 Cutlass without damaging it?

As Matt said, it's held on by three or four big nasty light-blue spring
clips. Removal consists primarily of pulling backwards harder than
the springs are pulling forwards. These same springs hold on the
dash faceplates, clock surround, front speaker grilles, and pretty 
much anything else with fake wood printed on it.  :-)

Pull the knobs off the radio ('81-'83) and check for any shaft nuts to 
unscrew. A 1/2"-drive socket should be large enough to slip over the 
knob shafts and engage the nuts; if you try and unscrew the nuts 
with needle-nose pliers it usually ends up looking like beavers have 
been chewing on them. Put the fan speed switch in mid-position so 
the panel doesn't snag against the knob when it pops free.

The springs are near the outer corners of the faceplate. The trick
is to pull out as close to the base of the springs as you can, so
the panel isn't twisting or cracking on you. I always use a bicycle
tire lever, which is like a little scaled-down crowbar shape with
rounded ends that you use to pry a bike tire off its rim. You stick
the pry tool in under the corner of the opening (HVAC or radio),
work the end in until it butts up against the base of the spring,
then pull.

You have to pull so hard that you're afraid you're going to break 
something, then pull a little bit harder, until something goes bang.
:-)
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 09:13:01 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: LA Junkyards

Didn't find much in yesterdays Tour-de-Pick-a-part of Wilmington (Los Angeles
Harbor) junkyards.  A 70 D88 in the big Yard on north Blinn had front disks and
a 455 with C heads, 2 BBl intake.  Hit in front but disk setup seemed complete. 
Not volunteering to go back, just info if any locals are interested.

Hans

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:32:49 -0500
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: olds 442

See this olds 442, only $300.00

http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5209171

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:48:13 -0600
From: "Dr. D.A. Branch" <tree@datasync.com>
Subject: converting to power seats

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it would not bolt up. Any one with suggestions is always appreciative. =
Thanks again!!
Dennis A. Branch SR
69 Olds Cutlass S Convertible
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:12 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: option codes [bs]

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; me from
myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 12:37 AM
Subject: option codes [bs]


>Some option codes you might NOT find in your "official" books...
<snip>
>H21- the '68-only option that allows the hood to open only partially,
>      ensuring that you bang your head at least once per repair.
OR: "The tooth that gives you a headache". 69s are like this too. I've
got the scars to prove it.


Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:02:25 EST
From: Ka3zfp@aol.com
Subject: 1966 OLDSMOBILE ENG 425

I am building a steet rod .I  am having trouble finding crome parts for this
engine such as oil pan,waterpump , timing chain cover, nuts and bolts ect.,
and also having problems finding a shop manuel  on this engine.




                                                  Edward Bucker               
                                                   P.O.Box133
                                                   New Wilmington, Pa. 16142

                                                  email;  KA3ZFP@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:42:34 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: burning up points

Hey Jim!
    Glad to hear your hotrod is back on the road...but sorry about the
apparent power loss. 5.5 Volts is way too low. You say you installed a new
harness? I wonder if it may be a generic sort that in your car's case is
causing this problem? As a troubleshooting sort of thing, run a known good 12
V. directly to the + side of the coil and see if it cures your problems (try
to run it from a source which is hot only when the ignition is on).
    Plan "B", which I did many moons ago, is to go to a magnetic-trigger
distributor  and electronic ignition. I use all MSD components but there are
several other good ones out there. At any rate, good luck & let me know what
you find.
  

                                                                    Ron Forsee
                                                                    65
442-Meister

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:47:53 PST
From: "john foster" <anyasbbj@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)

ROTHE

I ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEMS WITH JUST ABOUT EVERY RIG I HAVE EVE TAKEN AND 
IT SEEMS WHEN I TAKE IT BACK FOR A SECOND ROUND I DO A COUPLE OF THINGS 
TO IT AND IT USUALLY PASSES.

FIRST OF ALL HIT SOME BACK ROAD SOMEWHERE AND JUST CLEAN HER OUT, BLOW 
ALL THE BACKED CRAP OUT OF IT. NOW AFTER YOU ARE DONE PLAYING AROUND  
MORE OR LESS DO A TUNE-UP, CHANGE OIL, CLEAN THE PLUGS,CAP,ROTOR,EXC.
BUMP THE TIMING UP PROBABLY BETWEEN 12-15. THE 72'S YOU GOT IN THE CARB 
YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE TO 68-69. AND THEN JUST LEAN THE PISS OUT HER.  

THESE WILL MAKE IT RUN REALLY DOGGIE AND NON RESPONSIVE BUT HELL AFTER 
IT PASSES PULL IT BACK INTO THE SHOP AND SET IT BACK TO NORMAL.

I'VE GOT AN OLD 79' SUBURDAN WITH A LITTLE 350 THAT NOW HAS 160K AND IT 
SEEMS TO WORK ON IT SO...

GOOD LUCK  

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:50:38 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: testing



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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:33:59 +0000
From: John Young <jryassoc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutalss for Salvage

Still looking for door panels for my 70 sx conv.  Power windows,
preferrably med. blue with burl inserts.  If yours are close, please
email me. 

ad-guy@juno.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:26:02 +0000
From: John Young <jryassoc@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: guage silkscreening

Call United Speedometer in Riverside, CA: 800-877-4798, or better yet,
e-mail - usimail@earthlink.net.  They are doing a lot with restorations
and "restofications".  They may not have the artwork on hand but if
enough people want it done they'll do the art.

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:25:48 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Tricarb 442 for sale

Don't want to buy the car, but where'd they hook up with the intake for
> tri-power?  On a 400?  Does such an intake exist?

Yes, pretty rare, though.  Only available on the 66's as I recall. 
Remember the 400 was a Big Block, though, so that intake would fit on
the 425 and 455's.  But not on the small blocks.  (at least not without
some ~severe~ machining and f*rd tool applications...!)


- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:52:11 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: GN/SS/442 Exhaust on  a "Y" 307

> I put the Ypipe dual exhaust on an 86 I used to have and it was a factory
> Walker 442 exhaust set-up, from the cat. back.  I also smashed out the
> inside of the cat. with a long heavy screwdriver and hammer for that extra
> 4.6 horsepower.  Then, with the internals I made some jewelry and sold it
> to tourists in Mexico.  With the money made there I bought some codiene
> cough syrup and sold it at a high school in Nebraska.  With that money, I
> bought an 87 Cutlass.
>

Heh heh.. <LOL!!!>  That's good.  Careful though.  A guy I know was
gassing up at a convenience store (the ~ultimate~ oxymoron!!!) in
Dickinson, ND, and dropped an empty shell out of his pocket when
grabbing keys or whatever.  To which he promptly held it up and replied
"44 Magnum...  It shoots through schools"  (The old "Johnny Dangerously"
line...)  He left without incedent, and the guy there called the cops. 
He was arrested and jailed on terrorist charges!  I thought it was
funnier than hell, cuz he was kindof a putz anyway, but it's frightening
to say the least.  If the FBI shows up at the door tomorrow, we'll all
let them know you're just joking.  (you ~are~ just joking, right??? ;) 
This guy was in jail for close to a year!  I still laugh about it,
that's probably wrong of me.  He drove a dodge, though.  We had to
re-upholster the damn thing a few years prior to this.  I hated that
challenger with a passion.  True challenge in every sense.  Had
reflectors in the hood scoops (where there would have been air ducts on
a ~real~ car.)  Just a 318.  Total waste of $$$ in my eyes.  Those
interiors were helpless.  Being the challenger, I'd often found myself
wishing that it, too, would explode.  He commented to us one day (in his
ritual bragging way) that the thing takes off like the space shuttle. 
He never knew why I busted out laughing at that moment...
- -- 
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For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:04:17 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: HELP 

Help, I'm looking for parts to my power antenna setup for a 69 442
convertible.  I'm need the threaded fitting that sits on top of the
antenna tube (the top nut threads around it).  I also need the top and
bottom spacers and washer. Almost everything from the top of the tube
up.  And, I'm looking for the radio brackets.  It should be two pieces. 
	I just found the original AM\FM radio for it, and want to get it back
together.  Any help would be greatly appreciated

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:25:08 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: 1968 442 for sale: take 2

  I have a 1968 442 I need to sell.  Would like to see it go to a good
home.  I'm asking $1250 o.b.o.  for it.  Vitals are as follows:

1968 442 Hardtop, 4speed, no motor or trans, body is decent no dents small
rust, small rust in trunk, floor solid, frame solid, non posi rear, black
interior is complete minus headliner, all chrome is off car but all there
and in great shape, bumpers are off but in good shape(rear has cutouts),
there is no grill and headlight buckets are cracked but decent.

This would make a great project for someone with the time. So if your in the
Cleveland, Ohio area and are interested email me and we'll set something up.

Thanks, Ken
olds442@en.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:27:36 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Howdy...

Howdy all...after a brief hiatus, I am now back...
I'm sure you all missed me so...


  John Stolarski
'86 Cutlass Supreme
 The "Black Mariah"


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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:32:48 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: 15" SS wheel...

OK,
To those who inquired a few months back before I took a break from the 
list, sorry I didn't get back to you...

Here goes again...I have a 15" SSII (I think 70's II, not 80's) wheel, 
that is NOT a bolt on center cap. It only has the 5 trim rings...rounded 
more than cornered...no center cap, and no chrome rim ring...if anybody 
needs one, gimme a yell...

Take care...

  John Stolarski
'86 Cutlass Supreme
 The "Black Mariah"


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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:10:54 -0500
From: "Rob Lewis" <fever@planeteer.com>
Subject: 68 442 rag Stripe info

Repainting my car need measurements for stripes any help would be 
appreciated.Don't want to pay outrageous prices for a pattern.
Thanks
Rob
fever@toronto.planeteer.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:34:50 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Tricarb 442 for sale

> Don't want to buy the car, but where'd they hook up with the intake for
> tri-power?  On a 400?  Does such an intake exist?  And won't it fit on the
> small blocks too?  What?

Well Ray, this was known as the Trac-Pac over the counter add-on from
Oldsmobile.  It was also on the fabled '66 W-30.  I got one of those
manifolds myself.  It fits the big inch Oldses, and I don't know of
anyone ever making a tri-carb for modern small blocks.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:11:57 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: RE Joined OCA

Did ya use the Internet form at the OCA Site;-) (Please say you did)

 ---  Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
| | | 1987 442 W-42
| | | 1994 Eighty-Eight LSS
|/|\| Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  e-mail: brad442@erols.com
OCC Home Page: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Home Page: http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:17:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '66 425 Engine

Not on the list so if anyone can help this guy, mail him directly...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Ka3zfp@aol.com
Subject:  1966 OLDSMOBILE ENG 425

I am building a steet rod .I  am having trouble finding crome parts for this
engine such as oil pan,waterpump , timing chain cover, nuts and bolts ect.,
and also having problems finding a shop manuel  on this engine.




                                                  Edward Bucker               
                                                   P.O.Box133
                                                   New Wilmington, Pa. 16142

                                                  email;  KA3ZFP@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:19:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '69 Power Antenna

Can't use the "H*LP" word... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	JFOWLER@capecod.net

H*lp, I'm looking for parts to my power antenna setup for a 69 442
convertible.  I'm need the threaded fitting that sits on top of the
antenna tube (the top nut threads around it).  I also need the top and
bottom spacers and washer. Almost everything from the top of the tube
up.  And, I'm looking for the radio brackets.  It should be two pieces. 
	I just found the original AM\FM radio for it, and want to get it back
together.  Any help would be greatly appreciated

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:55:46 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Top Ten Rejected Slogans For Ford

This is an actual David Letterman Top Ten List:

Top Ten Rejected Slogans For Ford:
10.  Where quality is job . . . what, maybe 5 . . . or 6
9.  You might be a big class-action winnner!
8.  Ford: Because life is too predictable
7.  Our cars are built with love because our assembly line workers 
enjoy unlimited cocktails
6.  One out of every 50 glove compartments contains an abandoned 
newborn
5.  Turn the key; cross your fingers
4.  They may be fiery death traps, but they're American-made fiery 
death traps! 
3.  If you have a better idea, could you send it to us?
2.  You know how they say you should live every day as if it's your 
last?
1.  Who wouldn't rather take the bus?



- --------------------------------------------------
- ---Joe Gerschutz------------------------------
- ---University of Dayton----------------------
- ---gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu--------
- --------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 02:58:40 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Re: FORD fuel problem

Chris Sparks wrote:
> Well in So. California the gas is $1.31 for 92 octane!  Boy are we getting
> ripped off out here!

Finland:
Unleaded 	95E  3.98
			99	 4.12

I'm talking here dollars/gallon

That's not ripping, it's a rape.

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x----------------------------------------------------x
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x                   phone:+358 2040 3439             x
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:38:09 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: '87 Toro radio

This is a very strange thing to ask, but does anyone have any idea where I can get
replacement button stickers to put on the original radio from an '88 Toronado?  The
button stickers it has now are so cracked up (I don't know why) that I can't see
what button I'm pushing unless I have it memorized, because light shines through
the cracks when the dash lights are on.  Any help would be appreciated and BTW the
radio that I have is the ETR AM/FM w/ separate cassette deck, Dynamic Noise Reduction
© and bass/treble/loud controls.



Anthony Marstall

'87 Troféo

Pittsburg KS

Home of the $30 Million Automotive Technology Center



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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:45:27 EST
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long)

Emission passing tricks.

I got my 71 pontiac Lemans to pass Texas dyno emmisions with only 1/10th of
the emissions I was allowed by taking the advice given to me by a friend who
got his extremely modified 76 vette to Pass.

1.Retard the timing slightly.  the easiest way to do this is disconnect the
vacuum advance.

Lean out the mixture.  The easiest way to do this is create a vacuum leak

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:52:10 EST
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Emissions questions-non-olds (sorta long) continued

opps! I did not mean to send that already.

Tricks to passing emmisions continued...

1.  Disconnect vacuum advance to retard timing.
2.  Lean out fuel mixture, an easy way to do this is create a vacuum leak.  On
my car I unhooked the vacuum advance and hid the unplugged line under spark
plug wires.
3.  Get the engine hot.  A hot engine burns fuel more efficiently and creates
less emmisions(be reasonable don't blow upyour engine).  I put my car in
second and ran up and down the streets until it was good and hot.

These steps worked for me.  The guys working at emmision testing commented
that it was probably the cleanest old car they had seen yet.  

P.S.   Try giving your car a good tune up.  If the engine is running smoothly
and it is good and warm it may just pass w/o cheating.

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:10:36 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Ready to drool again?

Come visit my "Olds Drooling Page" PART II.

Since many of you seem to use the Netscape browser, I tested the page using
Netscape BEFORE posting to the list.  Works fine!  Some real nice cars!
Most of these are from the Lansing 100th Birthday Celebration.

Yes, the fire truck is an Olds too.  8>)

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/


 RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:41:57 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Trivia

Ray wrote:
 
> Many of you I'm sure know this, but I just noticed last night in an old
> Car Craft that the 307 was the last carbureted GM V8 to exist.  That's
> cool I suppose.

Yeah, you're right;  they used the Olds 307 until 1990, and were
commonly seen in Cadillacs.  Yes, they were carbureted, but they were
electronic....computers had already started to take their toll.

- -------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:48:22 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: option codes [bs]

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Some option codes you might NOT find in your "official" books...
> 
> Z07- headliner that falls down after a few years
> S21- starter solenoid that refuses to work when hot
> WHY- many varieties, the hood pin holes being my favorite.
> B00- rear bumper that falls off after about 7 years [only a MI thing?]

Certainly not only an MI thing...I've never seen a problem with the
front bumpers, but the rears couldn't hold together if their lives
depended on it.

> R13- the 2x6 replacement for the rear bumper
> H21- the '68-only option that allows the hood to open only partially,
>       ensuring that you bang your head at least once per repair.
> A59- the axle that breaks off, leaving your wheel & hub to pass you.
> C05- non-working clock
> 
> that's all I can think of now, it's late...
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Wow...I'm really impressed!  It looks like my '78 has more codes than I
thought!

You forgot about R66--roof/windshield leaks rain like a sieve!

- --------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:00:42 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Tranny burning fluid?

Well, here's something I've never seen before;  can a transmission
actually *use* fluid?  I did a fluid/filter/gasket change not even
10000km ago, and it was down almost half a quart.  I made sure
everything was proper...the vehicle was warmed up, sitting level, idling
in park, and that there wasn't any leaks. Sure, the TH350 is working
it's way towards being a high-miler (189,000km), so it wouldn't surprise
me if it's starting to burn a little fluid.  I don't do anything really
abusive to it;  no towing, no *excessive* high speed driving, no smoke
shows...in other words, it's just a daily driver.

When I did the tranny service, I added a can of Trans-Medic, which is
supposed to aid in smoother shifting, eliminate gear whines, and keep
everything well lubricated.  Could this stuff have burnt off?  The can
says it should last for 25,000km...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:10:34 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 rag Stripe info

Rob-
You do know that if you want to put the 'bumble bee' stripe on your '68, you
have to move the 442 emblems on the fenders down and back, don't you?
Otherwise the front part of the stripe gets cut off by the bottom of the wheel
arch. 
Proceed with this knowledge and you won't have unpleasant, irreversible,
surprises!
Peter
CoupeKing 

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:20:56 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Emissions questions

> It seems kind of strange to me that your truck wasn't required to be
> emission regulated when it was new but now it needs to meet emission
> standards. What emission test standards are they using? Light or heavy duty.

That's MY question.  I was thinking on talking to someone about that
very issue.  The HD 454s (not legal to be sold in California back then)
had a milled off section on the intake where the EGR SHOULD have been,
and NO catalytic converters.  The truck had duals from the factory.  Not
even a charcoal canister for fuel vapors.  It essentially was built like
a pre-emissions truck.  Maybe because it was in a "camper special"
package.  I don't know.  Of course the sticker that came on the valve
cover of the 502 that said "this engine is for off-road use only, not
designed to meet emission standards" might have something to do with it
too.....  The HC standard is 500 ppm, while the CO is 5% on final idle. 
I was coming up just short at 541 and 6.9 respectively.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:44:08 EST
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com
Subject: 68 cutlass front fender crome strip

I saw a 68 cutlass in a Elkhart Indiana junkyard last weekend that was gutted
except for fairly good front fenders and very good chrome strips on the front
fenders.

It also had a 12bolt rearend - I didn'r check any closer.

Anyone interested e-mail johnmonnin@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:38:46 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: regal hood swap?

BUY? Who said anything about BUYing it? If you're at the boneyard
anyhow, just
> take a hood to the other kind of car, try it, note the results, and leave it
> there.

Good point, I like that idea ;)

	"Uh, no sir, didn't find anything I liked.  Yeah, I know I'm coverred
in grease and was gone for two hours, but I didn't get ~anything~ --
Honest!"   :)

- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:07:14 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: G-body interchangeability with Buick

Ray,
	Darnit.
								Gerald Hughes

Ray wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Gerald Hughes wrote:
> 
> > Guys,
> >       It's only a hood.  Take the 30 minutes to actually try it and stop
> > guessing.  Sheez.
> >                                                       Gerald Hughes
> >
> Hey Gerald!
> I've had my hood off four thousand times and realize it's nothing, but I
> don't happen to have a GN hood lying around to try with.  Cheese.
> 
> >
> > BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 98-01-29 04:01:12 EST, you write:
> > >
> > > << I'm wondering about putting a T-type Buick hood on my 87 Cutlass.  Do the
> > >  lines match up alright?  I better get rid of that 3.8 SFI stuff though.
> > >  Maybe 6.7 BMF. >>
> > >
> > > well, i wondered the same thing a while back.  so i measured the 2 lines going
> > > up the hood, and they are spaced the same as mine.  course, i was measuring a
> > > '79 turbo buick, and i have a '78 cutlass.  id say they will swap out.  but
> > > dont hold me to that.
> >
> 
> Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass

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