
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 11 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1095



Re: Lighting Rods
Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???
Re: COPS!!!!  non-olds
Re: fading emblem
Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question
Re: fading emblem
'69 H/O mirror gaskets
Re: Calendar
Re: Header debate (blackjacks)
Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???
Re: Option Codes
Re: COPS!!!!!
Re: Header debate (blackjacks)
Re: wtd air cleaner
Re: non-olds, other lists.
Re: ? for a Michigan OCA member
Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild
Re: Calendar
Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question
Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???
ridges
Power
Re: about milling
Paging Tom Williams
Re: Header debate (brake prop. valve)
coy wants hinges, eh?
Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???
Re: COPS!! (sorta long)
Re: non-olds, other lists.
Re: ? for a Michigan OCA member
mike's 330 woes
the 67 DCstm car
motors for sale
Re: Calendar
re: cops
455 & 400 for sale
Re: '76 production totals
Re: 69 conv. antenna pcs, misc stuffs
Re: Calendar
IOU?
Re: WHAT A LONG, STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN...
Re: the 67 DCstm car
Re: Calendar
74 window trim & bumper filler.
Re: Calendar
Re: cops
Re: Calendar
Finding the option codes in trunk
Re: window tint
Re: Power
Brake Cylinder Hones
Re: 92 SCX W-41 for sale
Re: Shake, rattle, and slap. (Kinda long but please help)
Re: Cars for sale (Where? Where? WHERE?)
Re: Calendar
Re: Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild
re: cops

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:56:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lighting Rods

On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Tom Lentz wrote:

> 
> 
> Tracy H. Shires wrote:
> 
> > >Hey
> > >Do you have an AOD trans? >
> >
> > I put in some 3.73's and had to get a 200r4.. So yes I have overdrive now.. I would love to get those lighting rods in there, my shifter, well sucks, for lack of a better term.. Any help in finding a set for me would be GREATLY appreciated.
> 
> Gack!  I hope not.  An "AOD" is a Ford tranny, despite the obvious acronym.

Yeah, yeah I know, but I'm typing here man!  must save keystrokes

> 
> Anyhow, you may not have much luck finding lightning rods.  They're not made anymore, although I'm told that Hurst (Mr. Gasket) still services/rebuilds them and therefore must have all the parts available.  I occassionally see a set for sale in
> "Thunder and Lightning" (H/OCA newletter), but they're always expensive.  The woodgrain shifter bezel is made of unobtainium too.  However, there is hope!  I saw an ad a short time ago (I don't remember where) saying that Hurst was bringing
> back their lightning rods shifters!  I haven't heard anything since, and I'm sure these won't be exactly the same as the H/O models, but they should be functionally the same.  Might want to check at your local speed shop to see if they can get
> 'em.
> 
> --
> Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds #2118
> http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
> Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)
> 
> 
> 

Ray since the car is running perfect, the stereo stopped working Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:15:55 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???

On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I'm bored of my nasty looking stock vavle covers, and didn't like the chrome
> ones when I had them.  there are cool looking "tall" Oldsmobile valve covers
> (I think Mondello has them), but they don't work with the A/C and alternator
> brackets that hug the v. covers.  I took out the A/C no prob., but the
> alternator bracket on the other hand...  It is mounted by two other
> brackets, but is that enough to hold it steady?  Anyone run their alternator
> with the rear bracket removed?

Greg,

I don't know about the alternator question, but I think these valve covers
interfere with the power brake booster also.  I know those valve covers
and think they are the coolest, so why don't they shorten them up a bit,
so the majority of Olds drivers who are not drag racers can use them?
Damnit! > > -greg > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Ray since the car is running perfect, the stereo stopped working Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:12:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: COPS!!!!  non-olds

Ahhh... just remember that Cops can have a bad day too...

Brings back some memories though... got pulled over one time in Tusculum.
I was driving my '72 Mercury Marquis Brougham (429 4bbl) that I used to
own.  It had one of those rear "glamour panel" style bumpers, not really a
bumper, just an extension of the body.  It had the license plate housing
on it.  Had some rust problems on it... and since the car wasn't exactly
in "PERFECT" shape, I just sort yanked the back panel off.  Always put the
plate in the rear window.  There was one time I had bought a car, and had
to transport it to Johnson City (about 40 miles away... I live there now).
The car broke down in Johnson City and I had to leave it in a parking
lot.
Had put the plate from the Merc. on it and accidentally forgot to bring it
back with me when I got a ride home.  So anyways, here I was getting
pulled over and I had a switched, out of date, out of state (Georgia)
plate in the back window... Was one of the first things the cop had
noticed.  Luckily, a friend was in the passenger seat, and had time to
pull the tag down and set it on the back panel above the rear seat before
the cop had me pulled over.  He asked about the plate, I noticed it was
lying down and said... "Uh, yah, I collect old license plates... somebody
just gave that to me and I just tossed it in the back of the car" :)

The cop then asked me... so where's your tag... I thought quickly.  "It
should be right on the back bumper... tag number is ...... (quoted him
number) here's my registration."  He says, there's no tag back there
son... in fact there's no rear bumper.  I said "do what?  There should
be!"  I asked him if I could get out of the car to show him.  He let me, I
got out, pointed at the ripped metal and said "what the shit!  (started
acting like I was getting pissed off)  That was there last I saw it...
shit the whole panel's gone... how the...  My tag," I said to him, "it's
gone... I don't know if it's stolen or what... "  He believed me and wrote
out a stolen tag report.  Anyways, within a week, I called the police
station to report that I had "found" the tag within bushes :) :)

Me and my buddy laughed uncontrollably all the way home... BTW, guess what
the cop had pulled me over for... a busted tail light :)


Another time, got pulled over again in Tusculum, different cop.  I was
running open (nothing past the Y pipe) exhaust with a Ford big block in
the car.  Had no windshield wipers or lights (it was raining slightly) and
the cop pulled me over for the same damn tail light... didn't even notice,
or at least care about anything else :)  Eventually bought some of that
tape... not without getting pulled over twice more for the same light
though.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-02-10 11:00:05 EST, you write:
> 
> << But, c'mon, you replaced a 260 with a 350, and you still drive *exactly*
>  the same? >>
> 
> heh, well, i do tend to leave kinda quick every now and then, but i meant i
> dont constantly do 80mph down the interstate or speed everywhere i go.  im
> just bummed out over paying a possible $150 for some stupid $.30 bulb that i
> didnt even get a warning for.   oh well..
> 

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:47:10 PST
From: "Dick Henderson" <dickhenderson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fading emblem

>> does any g-body guys have problems with keeping their front emblem 
(between the grills) from fading out?  i put a new one on my '78 about 4 
months ago and its already starting to fade out.  im thinking about 
putting a piece of tint on there when i redo my back glass.  then again, 
maybe that will look stupid.....
>You mean the hood ornament?  The two lower emblems on the front fender 
are pretty much faded on my 84 CSC and the emblem-keyhole "assembly" on 
the trunk is pretty bad.  The insert that says "Calais" is gone.  I 
think a new one's over $30 from the dealer.  Pretty hefty for a small 
piece of plastic!

Well, I think the further south you get, the worse it is... My trunk 
emblem on my 82 CSC isn't faded, but it is showing quite a bit of 
surface cracking from the cold... As for the front, I never had a hood 
emblem, so I can't help you with that...
I say take the emblem off... Doesn't the 78 have a different emblem on 
the front? I don't have an emblem between the two grills... (Although 
I've thought of getting one put on) But I digress...

Richard
82 CSC
84 CS

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:03:49 -0500
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question

You can get one of those caps from an Oldsmobile dealership.  Thats what
the dealers would use to put duals on Cutlass's in the 70s without putting
on headers.
Chris K




>I did a similar thing, except I fabricated a 1/4" steel cap and bolted
>it onto the passenger side exhaust manifold that recieves the cross over
>pipe. It cost nothing.  Some suggested that I weld it on, but doing so
>*could* render the exhaust manifold useless if I should ever choose to
>put single exhaust back on the car. That cap would have to be removed
>with a torch.
>
>-Loris
>
>Michael wrote:
>>
>>      An ol fav of mine:
>>      For any who can't spring for headers right off, this idea may also be
>> helpful; 1. take off the cross-over pipe; 2 cut the end that goes to the
>>drivers
>> side manifold off and , useing a hammer & vice, crush down the pipe
>>coming off of
>> it (make sure you leave enough pipe attached to the end to do this).
>>Then take
>> this piece and have its crushed seam welded at a local station (5 bucks)--the
>> result is a plug that can be used where the crossover used to connect
>>with the
>> drivers side manifold.  Then just run a second exhaust pipe back from the
>> passanger side manifold (buy and have shaped at an off-brand muffler
>>shop, very
>> cheap) where the crossover used to connect.  Add the muffler of your
>>choice and
>> wala--duel exhaust on the cheap, and ya get to talk about how ya kept stock
>> exhaust manifolds.  :-)
>>     Regards,
>>     Michael
>>
>> JohnMonnin@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > I have a 69 Cutlas 350 with a turbo 400 trans and I am looking at buying
>> > headers later this year.  Since the original trans was removed by a
>>previous
>> > owner I am no longer worried about originality.
>> > So I wanted to start a debate on which headers fit best.  My only header
>> > experience was with my buddies 73 dart.  We through away the blackjack
>>headers
>> > he bought because they fit crappy and bought a pare of Hooker Super
>> > Competitions, which fit well.
>> >
>> > What headers has everyone tried on their cutlas's and how did they fit.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:09:05 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: fading emblem

In a message dated 98-02-10 15:18:10 EST, you write:

<< You mean the hood ornament? >>

well, no, but that is also faded out.  and i cant find a new one of those.
(anybody got any suggestions?)  the one im talking about is on the front of
the car in between the grilles.  its red and has "cutlass supreme" on it.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:35:50 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: '69 H/O mirror gaskets

To all that have inquired about the reproduction '69 H/O mirror
gaskets:  They were shipped from the factory yesterday afternoon, so
they should arrive by the end of the week.  From the response so far, I
figure I have a lot of mailing to do....

Thanks,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:39:03 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Calendar

Hi all,

Why hasn't anyone suggested doing an "Olds" e-mail list calendar?  I am
sure we can get 12 car photos!  :-)  What is the general consensus?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:00:32 EST
From: Knightvd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Header debate (blackjacks)

In a message dated 98-02-10 10:11:00 EST, you write:

<< I forgot to mention all the trouble I had installing my headers (hooker
super
 comps).  I also had to tilt the engine side to side on a cherry picker, but
 that wasn't that bad as I had just put the engine in anyway.  I aslo had to
 relocate the brake propotioning valve to keep it from getting fryed.  It's a
 tight fit but it can be done. >>

I have "Dynomax" (read  Cheapomax) on my 455 Cutlass.  I moved the brake
proportioning valve as well for these.   I mounted it in a horizontal
position, I was told this is fine to do.  The brakes work fine but I'm still
sceptical.  As a second, third etc. opinion, is this really OK to do?

Vince Knight
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:01:50 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???

In a message dated 98-02-10 16:09:51 EST, you write:

<< I don't know about the alternator question, but I think these valve covers
 interfere with the power brake booster also.  I know those valve covers
 and think they are the coolest, so why don't they shorten them up a bit,
 so the majority of Olds drivers who are not drag racers can use them?
 Damnit! > > -greg >  >>
I have tall moroso covers on a 70 455 in a 74 cutlass and they fit fine with
the booster.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:01:56 PST
From: "Dick Henderson" <dickhenderson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Option Codes

Here's more codes I've found...
>
>AR9 - Bucket seat (passenger side?) 
>A5J - 
>BX2 - Lower Body Side Moudlings
>B79 - Exterior Ornamentation, rear end 
>B81 - 
>B85 - Body Side Mouldings
>C65 - Air Conditioner (Temp-Matic)
>C87 - Lamp, Rear quarter courtesy
>D1A - 
>E6E - 
>GH2 - 2.29 Rear Axle
>JM5 - 
>J41 - 
>KM7 - 
>K35 - Probably Cruise Control?
>K73 - Perhaps the Battery?
>NK1 - 
>NM4 - 
>NM5 - 
>NM6 - 
>NY8 - 
>N70 - 
>N91 - Simulated Wire Wheel Discs
>QVJ - Tire Code (Unlisted in my information)
>TL1 - 
>T46 - Fiber Optic Light Monitor (On Front Fenders)
>
>Sorry, I don't know the rest...
>
>U19
>U27 - Lamp, Instrument panel compartment 
>U29 - Lamp, Instrument panel courtesy
>U58 - Radio, stereo (w/antenna)
>U64
>VD4
>VD5
>VP2
>VP5
>V2E
>W84
>YT1
>YT9
>Y71 - Outside temperature indicator(???)
>Y78 - Cutlass Salon option (???)
>479
>49M
>6JA
>7JA
>8ST
>9ST
>
>Hope this helps.  Maybe someone else can fill in my blanks!  8-)
>
>+---------------------------------------------------------------+
>|	__    ________						|
>|	\ \  / __  __/	Jason Adcock				|
>|	 \ \/ / / /	CS Major, Virginia Tech			|
>|	  \  / / /	mailto:jadcock@vt.edu			|
>|	   \/ /_/	http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/		|
>|								|
>+---------------------------------------------------------------+
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:15:24 EST
From: Knightvd@aol.com
Subject: Re: COPS!!!!!

In a message dated 98-02-10 14:40:01 EST, you write:

<< times.  I have been pulled over for everything.  One sheriff deputy in 
 particular has stopped me 4 or 5 of those times, twice in one night  >>

His name wouldn't happen to be Enos would it?

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:33:19 EST
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Header debate (blackjacks)

I installed a set of Castler Headers on a 72 442 w/455.  They really fit nice,
there wasn't a lot of trouble installing them.  However, I learned not to take
the dips very fast as I kept knocking holes in them.  Finally got tired of
welding them up and put the manifolds back on.  I bought these headers in
1972, do not know if Castler in still in business.

Dan442Olds

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:47:47 EST
From: Ridn88@aol.com
Subject: Re: wtd air cleaner

i have the original air cleaner from my 68 delta that i am not going to use.
if you can use it e-mail me. will sell or trade if you have something i need.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:00:59 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: non-olds, other lists.

>How many other lists are out there?  Is there one specifically for the
>Dodge Charger? Thanks,



Here you are, below is a link to a directory of most of the auto e-mail
lists!

ftp://ftp.wizvax.net/pub/personal/rwelty/Autos/mailing-lists.text


================================================
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.>      See them and 44 other Olds' at:
1995 Achieva S  >      http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:44:22 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: ? for a Michigan OCA member

>My OCA membership took about 3 weeks to be confirmed. The newsletter comes
>out around the first of the month.>

Thanks for the response Dave!  8>)

================================================
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.>      See them and 44 other Olds' at:
1995 Achieva S  >      http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:41:36 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild

Anyone else see the March 1998 Popular Mechanics?  They have an 
article as part of a new series on rebuilding cars.    They take an 
84 CS and put in a 454 Ch*vy and a TH400.  (They also talk 
about how they could have just as easily put in a sb Ch*vy, but not 
an olds!)  They installed new brakes and had it repainted, new 
suspension, everything.  The worst part is they say it looks like a 
little old lady's Oldsmobile.

Joe

PS They are auctioning it off at a minimum of $5000 if anyone's 
intested.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:04:49 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: Calendar

Chris
Re: Calender

I'd vote yes    Ken Swick
                    66 442, 69 Cut S

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:14:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Cheap duel exhaust/header Question

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Chris Kugler wrote:

> You can get one of those caps from an Oldsmobile dealership.  Thats what
> the dealers would use to put duals on Cutlass's in the 70s without putting
> on headers.

Not any more... discontinued.  We went thru this here a year or so back. 
Someone here might have a stash of them somewhere. 

They were used on diesels into the 80s but they seem long gone now.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:14:44 -0600
From: Larry Martino <lmmsr@flash.net>
Subject: Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
> 
> I'm bored of my nasty looking stock vavle covers, and didn't like the chrome
> ones when I had them.  there are cool looking "tall" Oldsmobile valve covers
> (I think Mondello has them), but they don't work with the A/C and alternator
> brackets that hug the v. covers.  I took out the A/C no prob., but the
> alternator bracket on the other hand...  It is mounted by two other
> brackets, but is that enough to hold it steady?  Anyone run their alternator
> with the rear bracket removed?
> 
> -greg


When I bought my 71 cutlass, it didn't even have the rear bracket. The
front bracket only had 2 bolts in it (the third is broken inside)!! It
works fine, but because of the missing bolt I could use that rear
bracket.

Larry Martino
1971 Cutlass conv.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:17:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: ridges

>If you can feel it, make it go away. They make a nice device to do just that,
>about $30 for a good one. Cuts just the ridge away. If you don't remove the
>ridge, the rings can hit on it, esp. during a high speed and/or high temp
run,
>and break off the lower ring lands, break the rings, score the cylinder, etc.

I thought that the only purpose of a ridge-reamer was to remove the ridge
so you could remove the pistons; I didn't realize that it was designed so
that pistons could just be put back in there after the ridge was cut down.
Is that what you meant? I'd imagine that any cylinder with a ridge would
also have quite a bit of taper as well, but then again, I'm not a
machinist, so I'm always interested in learning these things. Bob Barry
==================
Well, one *can* remove the ridge, hone, and refresh the rings. The factory
rather generously allow up to 0.005" taper. Since the 425's cylinders measured
just about that, I redid the race car's motor like that. It did burn a bit of
oil, so I would not say that it's a GOOD idea, unless your budget is really
really low. Anytime the pistons are out, it's a good idea to remove any
discernible ridge, whether by boring or just ridge reaming.


- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:15:21 -0600
From: Larry Martino <lmmsr@flash.net>
Subject: Power

I just got my Year 1 catolog yesterday. The figures inside say that my
71 350 has 260 hp. Another kid at my school has a 69 350, which shows
about 310 hp. I can't be beat by 50 hp. What was it that added that much
power? Would I need new pistons, new valve heads, new cam, what? Ineed
more power.

Larry Martino 
1971 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:25:58 -0500
From: Rotten <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: about milling

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> seal w/ a bead of silly-cone. Should you choose to cut, Rotten, the amount of
> said cut would be sqrt(2) or 1.414 times the cut off the intake surfaces. I
> think. either that or 1/1.414= .707- the machinist should know.
>

  I've decided to play it safe.  I'm having  the heads milled .030 which hopefully
will be slight enuff to avoid having to mill the intake.  Besides, what real
performance gain will I miss from not going to .050..  .020 cant be very noticable.

Kenny Rotten

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:36:53 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Paging Tom Williams

Hi Tom,
               Sorry to do this over the list, but I didn't have your e-mail
address.  I received your order today, and mailed your Lansing video this
afternoon.  Your letter was postmarked Feb. 7, so you should have it by the
beginning of next week.  

Thanks,

Doug N.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:47:28 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Header debate (brake prop. valve)

Mine's been horizontal for 6 years, no prob.
- -greg


I have "Dynomax" (read  Cheapomax) on my 455 Cutlass.  I moved the brake
>proportioning valve as well for these.   I mounted it in a horizontal
>position, I was told this is fine to do.  The brakes work fine but I'm
still
>sceptical.  As a second, third etc. opinion, is this really OK to do?
>
>Vince Knight
>71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:52:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: coy wants hinges, eh?

From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stuff For Sale

I need a set of hood hindges for a 68 olds 442.
Good Shape.
Thanks Coy
=================

Cool. Here's an idea, coy. email back to the vendor PRIVATELY.

Here's another, far-fetched, I know, and might require another second of your
valuable time so as not to waste several seconds of each of the 500 list
readers' on every post. TRIM THE UNNECESSARY LINES while you are replying.

Novel idea, huh? Where have we heard that before?

Thanks bunches,  Mr. Charming
- --
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:54:08 -0800
From: "Gary Andresen (Personal Account)" <gary.andresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: tall valve covers /w alt. bracket???

Offenhauser makes some real nice aluminum ribbed valve covers
for big block oldsmobiles.

They don't stock them, but will cast them to fill orders.

I have a set on my 455.  They are awesome.

Any speed shop that handles Offy stuff should be able to help you.

Gary Andresen
'55 Runnin a 455/TH-400

Larry Martino wrote:
> 
> Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > I'm bored of my nasty looking stock vavle covers, and didn't like the chrome
> > ones when I had them.  there are cool looking "tall" Oldsmobile valve covers
> > (I think Mondello has them), but they don't work with the A/C and alternator
> > brackets that hug the v. covers.  I took out the A/C no prob., but the
> > alternator bracket on the other hand...  It is mounted by two other
> > brackets, but is that enough to hold it steady?  Anyone run their alternator
> > with the rear bracket removed?
> >
> > -greg
> 
> When I bought my 71 cutlass, it didn't even have the rear bracket. The
> front bracket only had 2 bolts in it (the third is broken inside)!! It
> works fine, but because of the missing bolt I could use that rear
> bracket.
> 
> Larry Martino
> 1971 Cutlass conv.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:53:53 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: COPS!! (sorta long)

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
> 
> well, i cant represent all americans or even all car guys, but i honestly hate
> cops.  ever since i swapped out my 260 for a 350, i have had 6 blue lights.
> somehow, i managed to get out with only one ticket till 2 weeks ago when i got
> one for having a burnt out lisence plate bulb.  this is going to cost anywhere
> from $50-150.  the bulb was $.30.  i had a cop friend of mine talk to the cop
> that gave me the ticket, and he said i was being a butthead and that i had 8
> people in my car.  there was 4 of us, and i would never smart off to an
> officer and risk being beaten or thrown in jail.  by the way, ive only been
> pulled for speeding once.  the others were for really stupid things.  i think
> its because im 19, and my car sounds like a "hot rod".  no joke.  they see me,
> and the let all the other peaple go.  why didnt i ever get pulled over during
> the 3 years i drove it with my 260 in there?  i drive absolutely the same as i
> always have.  boy, i am really dissapointed with cops right now.

I've met a few nice cops before;  after all, *most* of them are just
honest people trying to make a living doing a difficult job.  On the
other hand, I've met more than a few arrogant cops, who are on a
permanent power trip.  Sounds like you ran into one of the latter....it
really gives cops a bad rep.  When I had the motorcyclist run into the
side of my truck (MAY HE BURN IN HELL!!), I had a real b*tch of a cop
investigate.  

Here's what she saw:  an eighteen year old male, two year's driving
experience, driving a $15,000 pickup truck, under his own insurance. 
The other guy was in his early forties, driving a souped-up '69 BSA,
with twenty years driving experience.  Surely the kid was at fault, eh?
(BS!)
What she couldn't understand was that *I* got hit, while I was *STOPPED*
on *MY* side of the road.  *HE* hit *ME* on *MY* side of the road, while
coming towards me, doing *100km/h* in a *50* zone!!  It took him well
over a hundred feet to get the bike stopped, and he should've seen me
from at least three hundred.  (going a *little* fast, eh?)  I could've
sworn the guy was drunk...I told the officer to give him a breathalyzer,
and she said "that wouldn't be necessary".

I ended up getting charged with 'failing to share roadway', even though
I was on my own side of the road!  He walked away scot-free, and I ended
up with the shaft...I almost blew up at the cop, but I somehow managed
to bite my tongue.

This really wrecked my opinion towards cops...

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:05:13 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: non-olds, other lists.

Yes, look for it at www.moreoldpartsandrust.com

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible w/4 speed Hurst

Erik wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> How many other lists are out there?  Is there one specifically for the
> Dodge Charger? Thanks,
> 
> Erik B.
> '72 Cutlass S

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:59:18 EST
From: BradRoss79@aol.com
Subject: Re: ? for a Michigan OCA member

Congratulations and welcome to OCA!
I live about 1 hour from lansing, in Swartz Creek.

I remember it taking longer than I expected for my membership application to
go through. Things like this always seem to take longer.

My magazine usually comes about a week before the end of the month--
I will get my march issue about Feb. 25 or so.  (1st class mail)
If you have third class mail it will take about a month longer.
( I had third class for a year and the magazines didn't only take forever to
get to me, but the cover was always wrinkled and torn.)
The magazines are great.  Enjoy and have fun.
Can't wait for the Homecomming show.

Brad Ross
OCA#026076        
1971 Delta 88 Royale (455)
1971 Delta 88 Custom town sedan (455)
Swartz Creek,  MI

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:21:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: mike's 330 woes

It started to smooth out but there is this realling loud slapping or
knocking noise coming from my engine that sounds like a piston is hitting
something (could be a rocker, rod, valve  I don't know)  Anyone have any
ideas?  I also am only running 87 (I put in 2.5g of 110 but I'm sure it has
not gotten to the carb yet) I am scared to let my engine run but I can't get
it anywhere(like to get the exhaust on)   MIke
================
Wow, bummer.

Why not put the xst manifolds on?

I can't diagnose from this far, based on that, but in my experience, if there's
a ticking or knocking in a fresh motor you WILL have to find it & repair it.
Use the stethoscope method? [piece of hose works relly well.] A friend once
found the hard way that the machine shop had ground the crank 20 but given him
10 under bearings. knock knock knock... back out she comes. That's why it
always pays to plastigage the bearings. And pay attention in general. Start
with the easy stuff- pull the valve covers, look for loose stuff there, even
while she runs. Get an old-time with experience to listen to it.
- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:30:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: the 67 DCstm car

> Subject: Re: 67 Delta Custom parts car
> What color is that tilt/tel wheel set up?  I have the dark gold (looks like
> a wierd dark greenish brown color to me but i was CORRECTED on it several
> times) and mine has a small crack in it.
> Lisa Madsen
> -------

Sorry. I'm not a color oriented kinda guy I guess. The car is that greenish
blue that all big cars back then were, according my my stash. The interior is
kinda blue. Or green. I forget. Better get the body tag info I guess. Probably
not even reotely gold. This wheel also has a small crack in it. Nicer than 90%
I have ever seen though.

> From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
> Subject: Re: 67 Delta Custom parts car
>   where do you live, a friend could possibly use some parts for his delta
>  olds guy ga....
> ==============

Oh, yeah, the new shorter sig file is missing that.
Lansing, MI.  Middle of your right hand palm.

> red buckets
> ===============

Ah, confusion. The red buckets come from the same GUY, not that car. The car is
blue/ green. The buckets are pre-67 most likely, just need some $ to go pick
them up.

- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:12:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: motors for sale

I need $ for buckets, wheel covers, food, house, etc. New job is great but the
pay rate is, shall we say, somewhat lacking.

Consequently, I offer up the following items. Located in Mid-MI area. Would far
prefer you come pick these monsters up, but could arrange deliver if necessary.

- --MOTORS--
$500 68 Toro 455, big valve C heads, toro oil pan, best pieces. No carb.
$500 70 98 455-4V, E heads, runs great, in service until 1/98.
$350 72 455-4V, Ga heads, larger exhaust valves, runnable
$100 70 455-4v, long block core, presumably needs rebuild.
$800 67 425-2V, C heads, whole complete to air cleaner, rebuilt, runs great.
$300 67 425-4V, C heads, no carb, otherwise complete.
$350 77-9 403, ? completeness [brother's motor] TH400 trans if with $100.
  Must take deposit soon on outback pcs like the 403; after the earth thaws
  it'll be another 60 days or so before it's dry enough to get at them.
We could subtract some if you don't need the intake, whatever.
$100 '66 330 4V. Busted carb. Forged crank.

'69 Cutlass convertible, runs & drives, rusty, needs everything. Fix or part
out. 350-2V, Jetaway. Original paperwork. Sport vinyl steering wheel. Power
top, power antenna. Good frame. Buckets, console. $800.

'67 Delta 88 Custom 4dr Holiday Sedan. Rebuilt 425-2V, TH400. Runs great.
Rebuilt front end: bushings, etc. Some rust, not bad. Front end is off. PW,
working AC, tilt & tele. Doors close real solid. Original jack is pretty. Big,
classy land yacht not far from being a great road machine again. I think the
rebuilt 425 alone is worth about $1000. Offers?

'68 Toronado. Original 455 needs rebuild can go with it. Currently has a '66-7
425 Toro motor. Not much rust. Green outside, green inside. Drives great. $800
with original motor. I cannot sell the 425 that's in it.

'69 442 convertible decklid. Can see where #'s used to be. Very little rust on
lip. $200 or trade for '68 2-dr decklid in good cond.

1969 Cutlass S, not running 350-2V, Jetaway. Simple motor repair most likely.
Great #5 heads. Interior is the car's saving grace: beautiful gold bucket
seats interior. Console & shifter. Door panels, dash pad, seats, sides, are
GREAT, etc. Car has a 12-bolt, not a performance ratio, not posi. Rust is not
bad by MI standards, could be restored as a car. Front end plastics have been
sold I believe. $700 whole car.

'83? '85? Cutlass. Red. Needs its trans put in. V6, I think. Good body, doors
are in primer, will look great after paint. Tired of looking at it. $ depends
on my brother- it's mostly his.

'81 Delta 4dr. Motor is said to knock, could use another motor. Needs its new
windshield put in and a master cyl, too to be drivable. Pretty nice interior,
very very little exterior rust. Was saving this for me for a 425 motor. Out she
goes for, oh, $300?

1966? Red buckets. Will know more after I get them. Nice condition, $150?

Lots of misc. heads- C's from $20, A, #2, G, I have at least one of everything
except the 260/ 307 pcs., or W30 heads.

Early pattern 330/ 425 flexplates.

And lots of Rocket Science stuff, including
- -Chrome-moly oil pump drive rod, 4140 steel, $10.
- -4130 Chro-mo steel main cap girdles $10 ea.
- -Rubber shock isolators- 1/4-20 thread one M one F, about 1"x1", 4 for $2.00,
   good for mounting ignition box, etc.

- -Shims for the rocker pedestals, 0.021" thick 5/16" i.d. $2 for 32?

- -Relays, 70A capacity, for horns, kill switches, extra lights, whatever, $3 ea.

- -circuit breakers, like the kind that are in your power top line, mount to
firewall. $3 ea. New.

I suggest that you contact me directly, and not reply to the list, should any
of this stuff interest you. Most items negotiable. Money talks.

Chris Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu   ---cannot answer email every day.---
517-882-9747

- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:15:54 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Calendar

In a message dated 98-02-10 21:07:28 EST, you write:

<< Re: Calender >>
I vote yes    Everett Horton
                  1961 Starfire Conv

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:18:52 -0600
From: Kurt Bonifay <kbonifay@bellsouth.net>
Subject: re: cops

Most of my experience with cops has been pretty good.  The worst was
when I was pulled over for not having tail pipes.  Yes it was illegal,
but c'mon!  One of my most memorable experiences was being flagged down
by a cop who was an Olds nut.  "Man I used to have one of those in high
school.  Whatcha got in it?"  I guess they are human after all.  

Rhett '68 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:16:34 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: 455 & 400 for sale

  Someone in New York near the Tappenze Bridge (I87-I84) area  has 2 engines
for sale  A 68 455 with E heads and an Edlebrock alum intake  $250.00 and if
you want a TMH400 with it its $300.00. He also has a 67 400 4 spd motor for
$500.00 
    If anyone has an interest call him --  Scott  1-914-782-1735   in Monroe
NY

as always I have no cash interest here at all


Everett   OCA# 1961    1961 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:10:22 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: '76 production totals

Soory trevor no Transmission brakedowns 

Bob

- ----------
> From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '76 production totals
> Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 10:44 AM
> 
> > > From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> > > Does ANYBODY out there have the production figures for the '76
> > Cutlasses???  I'd
> > > much appreciate it if someone could post it!  Thank you!  Have a good
> > day.  :)
> >
> 
> > Cutlass S hardtop Coupe            -       59179
> > Colonnade Hardtop Sedan          -       34994
> > Cutlass Supreme hardtop Coupe -       186647
> > Colonnade Hardtop Sedan          -       37112
> >
> > Hope these help you trevor
> >
> > Robert Schinkel
> 
> Indeed they do, Rob!  Thanx a lot.  Under the "Cutlass Supreme hardtop
> Coupe" section, is that were the Broughams are located?  You don't have
any
> figures for how many Broughams were produced, eh?  Or did they not bother
> publishing such figures?  Also, might you know how many (if any) of this
> vintage Cutlass came with a stick (standard)?  Thanks again, Rob!
> 
> PS - Sorry about the lack of communication in real life, I've been workin
> my butt off for the last 2 weeks getting my queue of calls down - I'll be
> getting in touch with you in the next week or so and I'll pop by.
> --
> Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
> 468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
> mailto:lee@mergetel.com
> Welland, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:33:42 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 69 conv. antenna pcs, misc stuffs

Hey Witty:

Trade ya the finders fee on the rear end in the Aquarium for that tilt/tele
wheel from the D-88.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:56:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

- -----Original Message-----
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Calendar


>In a message dated 98-02-10 21:07:28 EST, you write:
>
><< Re: Calender >>
>I vote yes    Everett Horton
>                  1961 Starfire Conv

I vote yes also. i don't think it's a matter of getting 12 photos,
it's more like, which of the 500+ members' cars won't be on the
calendar.
How do we decide?

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:01:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: IOU?

I just went over the checkbook. Looks like I cashed a ck for something noted as
"69 speedo cable" in the check spreadsheet.... yet, I cannot for the life of me
recall agreeing to such a deal, nor shipping said item.

Dang. They must not have included a note? Because usually orders get stuck to
the side of the refrigerator until they are shipped, then duly noted and filed
away.

Anybody recall requesting such from me, and sent money?

Sorry if I flailed on somebody. Shoot, maybe I did ship it, and forgot THAT.
Anyhow, put the ck in the bank 1/15 if that helps.

As for Coy's email troubles, yah, fine, what about the lack of snippage?
- --
Chris Witty :=: cross-dressing Olympic speed skater :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:15:12 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT A LONG, STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN...

>	I may be working with a Chevy now, but there will always be a spot in
>my garage for another Olds.
Well as long as your still in the GM family there's nothin' wrong with
putting another great old car back in peak shape :-)

There will ALWAYS be a spot in my garage for another AMX.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:18:29 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: the 67 DCstm car

Well I would never have called my interior GOLD - but hey - someone decoded
it and that was the creative name Olds' gave it - !!  Read off the coding
and we'll see if they do indeedy match up. 


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:16:36 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

>I'd vote yes  
So would I - we've got quite an assortment of awesome Olds' here on the
list that would RARELY make it to calendar form.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:49:12 -0800
From: "soundstr" <soundstr@ptw.com>
Subject: 74 window trim & bumper filler.

I can help ya out on the filler, I'll have to check on the window trim and
get back to you on that.

Frank Adams
Lancaster CA.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:48:52 -0500
From: "Ulysses Melen" <Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Calendar

> ><< Re: Calender >>
> >I vote yes    Everett Horton
> >                  1961 Starfire Conv
> 
> I vote yes also. i don't think it's a matter of getting 12 photos,
> it's more like, which of the 500+ members' cars won't be on the
> calendar.
> How do we decide?
> 
>

I agree that it should be done, formal or informal.  I just put one
together at work for a friend, kinda impromptu family thing.  Using a color
laser, & a clipart store from hell it came out descent.  All you need is a
unibinder & time.  If you want you can have as may cars per month as you
want using a collage type format.

Ulysses R Melen
71 Cutlass S
85 Indy 500 Calais 
92 Acheiva

Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:03:19 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: cops

Yeah, I was pulled over before on one of those annoying "unsafe start" (read:
wheelspin) vioations!  The nice officer informed me that it was reckless driving
to break traction and gave me a warning.  Needless to say, I was late to school
that morning!

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
|	__    ________						|
|	\ \  / __  __/	Jason Adcock				|
|	 \ \/ / / /	CS Major, Virginia Tech			|
|	  \  / / /	mailto:jadcock@vt.edu			|
|	   \/ /_/	http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/		|
|								|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:26:05 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Calendar

Chris,
	That's a damn fine idea, and unless you want to do it, then I would be
willing to take it on.

								Gerald Hughes
Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Why hasn't anyone suggested doing an "Olds" e-mail list calendar?  I am
> sure we can get 12 car photos!  :-)  What is the general consensus?
> 
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:25:45 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Finding the option codes in trunk

I know this is really stupid, but I can't seem to find the option codes in
the trunk of my '78 Cutlass.  I checked the FAQ file, and spent quite a
while poking around in my trunk, but no luck.  Are they on a sticker or
covered up somehow?  Thanks in advance for your help with this.

Bob
'78 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:32:37 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: window tint

I, too, am planning on tinting my windows, although I will probably have it
done at I place in Madison, Wi called Eclipse Tinting.  I have heard good
things about them.  I went and talked with them, and it would cost me $170
dollars for the back and both doors.  That sounds fair to me.
I would recommend visiting your local, friendly State Patrol HQ to talk
about what's legal.  In Wisconsin, you are limited by how dark it can be on
the door windows and back.  The back window can be darker than the door
windows.  Usually, they don't pull you over very often.
Now I just need $170.  :¬)

Bob
'78 Cutlass 2-door

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:37:26 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: Power

How accurate are these HP specs?   (I honestly don't know).  I kind of
doubt that after years of use, repair, and upgrading that it would be
relevent, except maybe that better heads = more HP.  At least, I hope so.
My 350 (from between '73 and '77) shows between 180 and 200 HP in most
books.

Bob
'78 Cutlass w/350 cid, non-factory duals, Accel Super-coil, cap, rotor,
full-flow air cleaner, '77 M4MC 4bbl Rochester carb, etc.   :¬)


>I just got my Year 1 catolog yesterday. The figures inside say that my
>71 350 has 260 hp. Another kid at my school has a 69 350, which shows
>about 310 hp. I can't be beat by 50 hp. What was it that added that much
>power? Would I need new pistons, new valve heads, new cam, what? Ineed
>more power.
>
>Larry Martino
>1971 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:46:50 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Brake Cylinder Hones

My brake rebuild parts just arrived so I went down to Pep Boys looking for
a brake cylinder hone to clean up the wheeel and master cylinders before
putting the new seals in(sounded like a good idea to me).

They seem to have both two and three stone models in varying prices (not
directly related to the number of stones) does anyone know which is the
best and/or have any hints/tips for using them?


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 92 SCX W-41 for sale

Geez, I know this reply is *very* late, but I've been swapping computers
here at home (finally moved *up* to a 486- yeah! :), and this message was
somehow resident on what's now my main machine. I hope it's not *too* far
out of date... [my replies in brackets, C.W. style]

- --------------
>I went to a local car dealer here in Terre Haute, IN that has such a beast.
It is white w/red 
[snip]
have a new head and head gasket also.  Interior wise the car is VERY worn.
A previous owner smoked in it as there are several marks in the interior.
The wiper switch doesn't work, the drivers window glass doesn't go up
properly, the passenger door lock button fell into the door.  --------------

[good to have that head-gasket done already; they're notorious for those.
Those little bits will be a pain to replace and repair, but it's new-enough
that you might still be able to do it with factory parts. yes, that will be
expensive, but it will be even *more* expensive once the factory _stops_
making those parts, which will be pretty soon for a '92]

- ---------------
body in the upper corner.  He was asking $3995 and this price included
fixing the windshield, door/fender, w/w stalk on the column and driver door
window.  He said he would take less if I was willing to fix some items
myself (he would order the parts or tell me where I could get them) or wait
to fix some items.  He was a pretty easy person to negotiate with and seemed
willing to make 
- ---------------

[I'd go with him fixing those parts, to save you the headaches and need for
special, one-use tools; sounds like a good deal for that price, with all
that heavy-duty W-41 equipment in there. Heck, before you know it, you may
have it running quicker than your '69's! ;) ]
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Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Shake, rattle, and slap. (Kinda long but please help)

>I had the entire thing done at the shop.  All I put on was the intake and
>valve covers.  

And oil, I presume? ;)

>They told me everything was ready to go.  All I had to due was
>run it for 15 min to break in the cam.  They said everything was already lubed
>and ready.  Could they have not done some of those things?

Oh, it certainly *sounds* like they may not have done something... it's
certainly possible. Whatever the case, run the motor a bit; if it doesn't
get better, drive it to their shop and have *them* pull it and fix it, on
their time, at their expense. If it's running wrong, then it's their
responsibility, if indeed they said "everything's ready to go". With all the
money you spent on it, I'm hoping they were clear about the guarantee they
give to the work they performed; what do you have on your receipt?

Whatever the case, run it a bit; if the lifters aren't pumped up, they can
make a racket until they do. If it's still noisy after 15 minutes, then it's
the shop's problem. One hitch; if you supplied the parts (like the cam), but
didn't specify the deviations from stock specs (like the base-circle) or
provide the parts to compensate for such deviations (such as adjustable
pushrods/adjustable valvetrain/longer pushrods&rocker shims, etc...), then
they may have assembled the engine to factory specifications, which would be
*wrong* for your application. In that case, they *should* have identified
some discrepancies (like improper lifter preload), and notified you of the
procedure necessary to correct that problem, but there's a chance that they
didn't catch it. If that's the case, it may be difficult to hold them
liable. It all depends what you told them to do, and what you gave them to
do it with.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cars for sale (Where? Where? WHERE?)

>Subject: 73 Delta 88 for sale
>
>One 73 Delta 88,smooth running 455,nice shape.
>Email me for details or call (914) 726-3566,ask for Erik
>
>sigh,dont want to part with it,but i cant afford it a nymore and i wont ahve
>it go to scrap.

and again:

>Subject: 70's Omega 350 coupe for sale
>
>Two door Omega coupe,nice shape,two door 350,runs drives.
>Call or email for details.(914) 726-3566 ask for Erik    

OK, ok, just a friendly reminder about the proper etiquette for saying you
have a car you'd like to sell here:

1) It's perfectly acceptable to offer an Oldsmobile (or even Olds-powered
car, I suppose) up for sale here on the list.

2) Provide the information for taking any inquiries about this car off-list
(as Erik did; good job!)

3) But for goodness sakes, take the extra 30-seconds to tell us:

        A) WHERE?
and
        B) HOW MUCH?

Other things like mileage, quantity of rust, color, etc. are nice, but
location and price are essentials, right after the year, model, bodystyle
and engine size.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:35:47 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Calendar

> > ><< Re: Calender >>
> > >I vote yes    Everett Horton
> > >                  1961 Starfire Conv
> >
> > I vote yes also. i don't think it's a matter of getting 12 photos,
> > it's more like, which of the 500+ members' cars won't be on the
> > calendar.
> > How do we decide?

All these list members means we have enough material for years of
calendars. Since this would be something more decorative than
functional,it could be the size of a poster and no one would complain. 
We could have a collage of cars each month, and the car pictures could
still be a decent size, say 3x5 or 5X7.  We could probably work in 30
cars or so that way.  

I guess the best way to decide who's in the calendar is to have thoes
who want to participate enter their names at a website and chose 30
people at random (somehow) from the contestants to submit pictures.  If
we had any type of online contest then we'd be stuck with everyone
voting for their own car. :)  The logistics would be a nightmare too; a
gallery of 300-500 pictures to browse and vote on?  Sheesh!  

If all the cars were picked randomly from one list, we'd end up with a
calendar full of A and G bodies.  Perhaps to keep an even balance of
years/models we could have people enter their cars under categories. 
For instance: A-body, G-body, big car 60-70, big car 70-80, toronado,
pre-1960, etc. and pick X number of cars from each category.     

On a related note, a "best of the beaters" contest might be funny. 
Devote one month of the calendar to list member beaters, and have a web
page where people could chose the "best" beaters to go in the calendar. 
To qualify, the vehicles would have to be able to start and move under
their own power.  Other than that the more pathetic and ugly the better.
:) (Action shots of burnouts, spin outs, trees wilting when the engine
runs, etc. would be a big plus.)   

Either way, a calender is a great idea.

Greg Pruett 
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:56:31 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics Cutlass Rebuild

At 07:41 PM 2/10/98 +0000, you wrote:

>Anyone else see the March 1998 Popular Mechanics?  They have an 

>article as part of a new series on rebuilding cars.    They take an 

>84 CS and put in a 454 Ch*vy and a TH400.  (They also talk 

>about how they could have just as easily put in a sb Ch*vy, but not 

>an olds!)  They installed new brakes and had it repainted, new 

>suspension, everything.  The worst part is they say it looks like a 

>little old lady's Oldsmobile.

>

>Joe

>

>PS They are auctioning it off at a minimum of $5000 if anyone's 

>intested.



I saw it, I cringed when I read about the chevy motor they put in it, my little olds small black would eat it's lunch.  Black car with white SSII's, not sure about that. Also not sure about that dual exhaust dumping straight back kinda like a monte ss..


Other than that the car has been done up right. Hooker comps, hotckins suspension, gn axle, great interior, and a good paint job. I was just happy they chose an Olds for their first buildup story..


Looking over the parts they used I'd say thay put 5 grand in it easy.






T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace 
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:22:14 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: re: cops

There's bad apples everywhere. It's a shame that just one gives many law enforement officers a bad rap..


   Between the ages of 16 and 18 this one cop gave me 14 tickets!! All were for (suposedly) speeding between 10-20 over. Never in the same place twice, and only in my Cutlass. The very last time I saw him, the 14th one, he pulled me over and walked up to the car and said, Hey Mr. Shires, did you get a paint job, looks great..-and wrote me a ticket. Now keep in mind I lived in a city with over a fifty officers on duty. I never recieved a ticket from anyone else during that time. I moved and have now recieved one ticket over a 5 year period - having a little two much fun playing with my new motor on the interstate... 



I sold the camaro I had right before I moved. The new owner was a friend of mine. This cop pulled him over the day after he took posession of the car. Walked up to the door and said, Your not Mr. Shires, what are you doing with his car? When asked why he was pulled over, the cop said he knew that it wasn't his car - and then let him go..He never pulled me over in my camaro!


Seems he had it out for me for some reason. Maybe it was my lawyer throwing all these tickets out, hehe. This guy had too much time on his hands..

Seems to me almost bordering on harrasment..






T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace 
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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