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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, December 16 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1012



Re: Withdrawal symptoms
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Sad Rad
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: G-body SSIII's
Re: Quad 4 head gaskets (long)
WinZip
HEI/Alt conversion question
I'm huffin' cheap glue.
Re: License Plate ideas...
Custom Tag for Kevin Wong! <G>
Re: Fusick Automotive :)
Re: ISP Problems
Re: The one that got away
Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: off the wall question.
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Fusick Automotive :)
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: off the wall question.
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: License Plate ideas...
I have to sell my 442
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
Re: Re[5]: carb. fix info
Re:  Valve cover gaskets/boosters/"frame off" or "body off"
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: carpet dye
road trip
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Re: power tour /top speed limiters
Re: $85 valve covers?
Phx contact, '70 Cs f/s
Silence
Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: License Plate ideas...
Best kept "secrets" finally exposed
Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: The one that got away
Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...
Re: Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?
Re: Clutch problems.
wasted space
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...
Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?
Namesakes
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'
Re: SSIII rims on an 87 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:42:52 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Withdrawal symptoms

Joe Padavano wrote:

>      How do you guys and gals on digest do it?  I had to uns*bscr*be from
>      the list temporarily over the weekend due to a server change here at
>      work and was forced to get my fix of the list through the digest on
>      rocketmail.  It's definitely tough.  Fortunately, I'm back real-time
>      now.  My hat's off to people like Chris W.; the delay is bad enough,
>      but responding is a real pain.  Then, of course, I think Chris is
>      using something like an Atari 5200 to read his email anyway!  ;-)
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com


Joe,

It depends on your setup.  I read mail on one monitor, and write
replies in a window on another monitor.  It's a nice setup, but
reading the Olds list doesn't justify it.  ;-)

And another thing:  Watch what you say about Atari!  Atari is the
Quad 4 of computers!  Take that however you like!  ;-)

- --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:13:07 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates, I've got a
> couple of good ones for my 68 droptop, but I'd love some other ideas
> Come on...be creative!

        Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:

        RVO VUM

        It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a rear-view
mirror.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:35:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Rad

Hi Dave,

> wisdom, the engineers decided to return the coolant from the heater core
> back to the radiator instead of the engine.  This manages to defeat the
> thermostat somewhat during warm ups by allowing more coolant to
> recirculate than the normal bypass hose allows.  The engine does not
> reach operating temperature as quickly and the heater does not put out
> heat as soon either.

Having regularly driven cars with both types of heater hose arrangements,
I wouldn't say that the warm-up process is delayed noticeably.  There is
some merit to this design: the transmission cooler will still be
able to function; flow through the radiator core is still effectively
by-passed; thermal shock when the thermostat opens is reduced since the
temperature differential between the engine and radiator coolant will be
less, which makes things easier on cylinder walls and pistons; air is bled
out of the system (engine, heater core) more efficiently.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:43:31 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:34:30 -0500 jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
> writes:
> >Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> >> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
>
>           I've been known to call my '66 Delta  "Big Blue" and a few
> others when I get  "busted knuckle" syndrome!

Hahaha...  I think we all say the same words...

- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:47:03 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: G-body SSIII's

Doug Newman wrote:
>
> Jerry and Jason were talking about the size of SSIII wheels.  The following
> is snipped from a post sent to the list back on March 19, 1997.

> >Steering Wheel, Leather Wrapped Sport (NP5); Wheels, 15", Chrome-Styled
> >with Gold Accent (N83); Tires, P215/65R15 Steel-Belted Radial-Ply,
>
> I thought the SSIII's on my car were 15's, but I checked this to make sure.
> Hope this helps.

Yeah, these are the ones I am talking about...  The have a "narrower"
notch in them for the 5 holes, and they are chrome and black, as opposed
to colored and chrome.
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:56:30 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 head gaskets (long)

MROTHE wrote:
>
> > Or me talking about the Cam in my "Y" motor (Y couldn't I get a 9 and be
> > lucky) and comparing it to the 9 motor Cam?  To me this looks like
> > apples and oranges...
>
> Got the message you intended Jerry, but you are comparing apples and
> oranges in a way.  The Y motor and 9 motor cams DID differ at least in
> the early 80s up to at LEAST through 85.  Not sure about 86 and up
> though.  The Y engines got roller cams, which required a retainer plate
> in front, where the 9 engines were throwbacks to the 70s, i.e.
> non-roller tappets.  Go figure.

My point wasn't about the cams though...  It was the bigger picture.  I
was stating that the Low-Po Eco Motor "Y - Didn't I find a 442" was
different from the Hi-Po version the "9".  Maybe there REALLY is a
difference in the H/O Q4 as opposed to the L/O Q4...  Doubt it it
DRASTICALLY different, but then again, it might be.
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:03:26 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: WinZip

Bob,
        Just wanted to let you know that I just acquired WinZip the
other day and just had a very quick glimpse at it.  I'll give ya a call
in the next day or so to tell ya how to unzip the F-PROT zip file.  It's
just been a really hectic week for me and it don't look like it's gonna
get any slower!  (that CAN be a good thing, though - $$$  =B)
        Later, bud!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:05:24 -0000
From: "GREGG GREER" <gregg@inficad.com>
Subject: HEI/Alt conversion question

I'm in the process of swapping my old points 'strib for a GM HEI in my
'70 SX.  I've been referring to the Olds FAQ section on 442.com in the Ext.
Regulated to Int. Regulated Alternator Conversion section.  Under the 'Easy
way' instructions it explains that "Terminal ª2 goes to the battery" or
"Easiest hookup is to jump it directly to the BAT terminal of the
alternator".  Since i will be running a wire from the ª1 terminal to the
connector for the 'idiot light' to act as the diode, won't doing this cause
the idiot light to stay on all the time and/or drain the battery?  Could
someone explain how this works or is it better to go the 'Fancy Way' route
instead?  In addition, I was planning on using a MSD 6AL box along with a
MSD ignition module. Tom Lentz says that "the MSD box replaces the HEI
module".  Does this mean I won't have to use an ignition module if I go
with the MSD box or can I use the one in conjunction with the other and
will it work that way?
 Also, could anyone who has switched to an inline filter suggest a good
setup or a particular brand or type of filter to use?  As always, any
help/futher insight with this would be
greatly appreciated.

Gregg Greer, gregg@inficad.com
GIS Specialist, Phx. AZ

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:05:30 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: I'm huffin' cheap glue.

Geez, sorry about this guys - I somehow mixed up Mr. Schinkel's address
with the Olds Mailing List's in my Address Book.  Like the subject says,
I must be huffin cheap glue.  Don't worry, won't happen again!  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:22:46 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

Trevor Lee wrote:
>
> > What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates, I've got a
> > couple of good ones for my 68 droptop, but I'd love some other ideas
> > Come on...be creative!
>
>         Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
> unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:
>
>         RVO VUM
>
>         It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a 
rear-view
> mirror.

Hahaha...

I am looking at a few, but none that JUMP out at me...

OLDRCKT
87ROCKT
NOTA442
NOTDADS - I kinda like this
1BAD307 - Doubt I'd even use this one.
1FINE87 - I think 1FINE69 has a good ring, but could be taking outta
context.
LSTCAUS - Lost cause...  <G>
DONTASK
IFLEWBY
Y NOT 9 - "Y" couldn't I have waited and got a "9"
PNYKILA
100 US
BULTPRF - Built Proof - Works on bigger bodied cars.
GONFSHN - Gone Fishin' - Again, for the bodied cars.
CUTLASS - Gotta already be taken.
DLYDRVR - Daily Driver - Would work on a Daily Driver in almost
show/race quality.  Or a Daily Driver that is used when a show/race car
is present, or even when the car REALLY REALLY is bad.

I've thought about it for a while... But none that JUMP
Then I got into the nasty...  No replies needed... on these All relating
to "THIS":
MEANT MORE FOR THE RACING IDEA...

302THIS - Any CI would work, IE: 289THIS, 351THIS, 440THIS, 318THIS,
305THIS
5OHTHIS
PNYTHIS
GN THIS
SS THIS
Q4 THIS
HITTHIS
SEETHIS - South Carolina only uses REAR plates...  This could get kinda
funny.
IOWNTHS
TRBOTHS

I need to get out more often.
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:25:13 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Custom Tag for Kevin Wong! <G>

ALLWONG
IBEWONG

hahaha, hope you don't mind me picking Kevin...
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:23:49 -0800
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Fusick Automotive :)

I have bought from Fusick on many occasions and they have all been
very positive experiences, including returns.

I think they understands the concept of customer service.

Gary Andresen

Two72W30S wrote:
>
> I am telling a story to all about Mr. Mike Fusick and Dave Jackson.
>
> I ordered bucket seat covers to revamp my seats.  The only difference
> is that the buttons stick out more than the original buttons.  This causes
> the button to break off more easily since it isnt sunk in the seat.  So I
> called
> Fusick if they could order me two buttons for my saddle brown interior.
> Dave said he could get them and he was sorry for the way the material was
> made, but thats all is availible these days.  Year One also has these
> problems.
>
> My praise comes in the form that he said he will send me 4 buttons and he 
will
> send them to me for free.  He picks up the cost and the shipping.  This tells
> me he appreciates my business and is willing to work with his Oldsmobile
> customers.  So I am recommending them to everybody.  If you need restoration
> parts, buy them from  FUSICK.
>
> Thanks MARK PRINCE
> W MACHINES
> 1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
> Two72W30s@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:26:09 EST
From: DrkSole <DrkSole@aol.com>
Subject: Re: ISP Problems

In a message dated 97-12-13 07:51:43 EST, you write:

<< Does anyone have any idea where the circuit was broken? Is there a
 fusable link on this line, or is it connected to a fuse in the panel?
 BTW, Where can I find the old style glass fuses? The parts stores only
 have the new plastic ones as far as I know. OTOH, I really didn't need
 a fuse when I was glancing at what was available, so I'm not sure.
  >>

Well, don't know if this is exactly the same, but the line leading to the
anti-diesieling solenoid on mine was grounding out on the alternator bracket,
kept blowing out the fuse for the turn signals, made the back up lights go out
too, so I'd check that.  Fuses shouldn't be any trouble, I used up a rack of
fuses from the local store before figuring out what was wrong..


DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:45:15 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: The one that got away

My dad had a 71 lime green Cutlass S with buckets and sport wheel.  What
a blast, I drove it in highschool.  If the lady wants to sell it let me
know.  Or better yet tell her I will buy it.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:47:25 EST
From: OLDS44272 <OLDS44272@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'

   The name of the song is 455 Rocket

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:55:36 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates,


My plates for my W-31 are U2 - SLO

Rob Schinkel

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:51:52 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> I am wondering...  I think it would in everyone's relief to get off
> topic for a while.......  This is being cross posted to both my lists
> (Only the ORIGINAL posting, this one).  The first being the Oldsmobile
> List I've grown to like, but the fire proof suit is kind obsurd...  <G>
> And the Mustang II List, where the dust bunnies are starting to arrive
> <G>.....
>
> I am wondering if I am totally insane when I do this
Possibly.....
> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
Yes. 1970 4-4-2 A.K.A. The Experience.

Danny

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:55:01 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: off the wall question.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

>Does anyone besides me name thier ride?

Well, back in high school, my '72 C/S got the name Blue Thunder.
The car had glas packs and was rather loud ;)

My previous ride (a '68 Pontiac Tempest) got the nickname White Bandito.
It ~was~ white, but I don't know where Bandito came from.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:16:06 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

Trevor Lee wrote:
>
> > What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates, I've got a
> > couple of good ones for my 68 droptop, but I'd love some other ideas
> > Come on...be creative!
>
>         Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
> unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:
>
>         RVO VUM
>
>         It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a 
rear-view
> mirror.

Try:

3M TA3

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:18:48 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fusick Automotive :)

Gary Andresen wrote:
>
> I have bought from Fusick on many occasions and they have all been
> very positive experiences, including returns.
>
> I think they understands the concept of customer service.
>
I can personally attest to their customer service.  Fast and accurate,
and they never intentionally sell junk. If they do, they make it
right.   It's usually the best available.  Good experiences with them.
And Year One, and Part's USA, and Supercars Unlimited, and Jim Chermack,
and Everett Horton, and, well, Brother's has done me well the last
couple of times, but....never mind.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:28:11 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

> > I am wondering if I am totally insane when I do this
> Possibly.....
> > Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
> Yes. 1970 4-4-2 A.K.A. The Experience.
>
I might name the H/O.  Probably "Gold digger", or "Money Pit", or
"Dollar Vacuum"....... =:o

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:35:47 -0800
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: off the wall question.

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> >Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
>
> Well, back in high school, my '72 C/S got the name Blue Thunder.
> The car had glas packs and was rather loud ;)
>
> My previous ride (a '68 Pontiac Tempest) got the nickname White Bandito.
> It ~was~ white, but I don't know where Bandito came from.
>
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

My car ended up as being the Beast, probably because it is so big and
has so much torque.  When it has the blown motor, it was called "Pile 'o
Shoe".  Don't know where the "Shoe" came from...

My '57 is called Thumper.   Only because that's the name it came with.
Nevermind... it's a long story...
Brad
70442

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:37:04 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

>
> Considering:
> for the Speed Racer fan I am...Racer X...
>
> Come on...be creative!
>
GR8 68
68 RAG
2MUCH4U
6844TWO
DRPTP68
RAGTP68
SIXT8
68SKYVU
BYEBYE
L8RG8R

Hey, these are just some ideas.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:38:13 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> Try:
>
> 3M TA3
>
NOW THAT'S A GOOD ONE!!! :)
- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:44:23 -0500
From: Joe Fauzio <jfauzio@postoffice.ptd.net>
Subject: I have to sell my 442

Hi All, I must sell my 71 442 convertible. Don't want to but I have no
choice. The car is so rare that I don't know if I could ever get another
one. If anyone is interested I'll leave my home address at the end of this
message.

Joe Fauzio
460 E. Catawissa St
Nesquehoning, Pa  18240

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:49:24 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Olds mobile wrote:
>
> > >> Does anyone besides me name thier ride?

I used to have a '79 Delta 88 Royale sedan.  Was painted GM Med. Green
Met. and had a Willow Green velour interior.  Vinyl top was Pastel Green
and was faded pretty bad.  Bodyside moldings and pin stripes were Pastel
Green to match the top.  You wanna talk about color coordinated!  We
called it "The Snot Monster"...

The bright red carpeted floor mats really topped things off...

at least they weren't GREEN!!!!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe - Kathryn
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Josephine
both cars named after the original owners' wives.

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:58:55 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...

Hi all,

I had one hell of a nasty experience today...I got a close up view of a
rad cap with an attitude.  I changed the thermostat from a 180 to a 195
today, and filled the system with fresh coolant.

After driving around for an hour or so, I went home, and put the hood
up;  I usually check the oil every 1000km, even though it uses none.
Not even two seconds after I put the hood up, the rad cap blew off, and
hit me right above the temple, sending me to the ground, soaked in hot
coolant (25km of stop-and-go).  I ran right inside and washed myself in
the sink...my whole upper body was covered.

I called a neighbour, who drove me into the hospital.  Four hours later,
I found out that I've got third degree burns all over my face and scalp,
not to mention severe swelling from when the cap blasted off.

What in hell could cause this?  I've never HEARD of a launching rad cap
before!  I'm guessing that the system is over-pressurizing itself, but
*how*?  I'm not sure if this means anything or not;  just over a month
ago, I removed the 195 themostat, which had stuck in the cold position,
and replaced it with a 180 fail-safe.  Since I was sick and tired of
having no heat, I bought a new 195 yesterday, and installed it today.
The 180 fail-safe 'stat had locked in the hot position!  I removed it,
set it on the fan shroud, not noticing this.  By the time I was done
replacing it, it was stone cold, and was still open (in the hot
position).

It is possible that the new 195 stuck closed (since it wasn't a
fail-safe)?

I'm writing this while in severe pain, drowsy from prescription Tylenol
3's, with a bag of frozen corn sitting on the side of my face...as you
can tell, I'm not very impressed with the Delta at this point...

- ----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:06:18 EST
From: Mr ExMt <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re[5]: carb. fix info

12-15

THANKS ROBERT, WHEN I GET THE CAR OUT OF STORAGE I'LL TRY THAT.

LEIGH TENENHOLTZ,  '68 CUTLASS CONVERT

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:13:04 EST
From: Oldsparts <Oldsparts@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Valve cover gaskets/boosters/"frame off" or "body off"

Re:Valve cover gaskets-Fel Pro makes a "composite" or "impregnated" valve
cover gasket that's made of cork AND rubber.  They look and feel more or less
like cork gaskets.  They  do cost a couple bucks  more but seem to have the
longevity of rubber while also delivering the sealing capabilities of cork.
Ask your parts man.  I have had great luck with them.  I think the Fel-Pro
part number ends in AC instead of C for the cork of R for the rubber.  Try
them-I think you'll like 'em.

Re:Frame off or Body off- In the last 5 to 10 years I've seen a big shift in
the general publics use of these two terms.  In the late '70's and early '80's
almost everyone referred to these types of restorations as "body off"
restorations.   Lately, however, the term "frame off" seems to be used most
often.   I think we all know what is meant by both terms but it seems to me
that a "Frame Off" restoration should be reserved for those unfortunate
"foreign car owners"  that are working on Camaros and Firebirds.  You
literally have to take the sub frame off these cars to do them right.  Thus, a
"frame off".   On our Cutli and other Oldses,  IMHO,  we do "body off"
restorations.   I guess we could argue forever if the car is the actual body
or the frame, but at least with our cars I think we are taking the body off
the frame, not putting the body in the air and taking the frame off.  I am
ducking down behind my soap box now in anticipation of differing opinions.
;-).    Thoughts?

Re boosters:  Both Steve and Dewey are nice guys. I have seen both "Steve" and
"Deweys" boosters at Carlisle and or Pomona (or perhaps it was Indy?).
Steve's plating and prep work is a little nicer in my opinion.   Talked with
both about us selling their product.  Both insist that they are using NEW
DIAPHRAGMS in their product.      We used to be able to buy the diaphragms
from the local Bendix brake specialist/distributor, but due to the liability
involved, they no longer sell them outright.  They can now rebuild our
boosters, but do not re plate them.  I have spent the last 20 or so years
sourcing hard to find auto parts. We cannot buy the diaphragms.  Even out the
back door.  I informed both Deway and Steve 5 or 6 years ago that if either of
them would just send us one new diaphragm,  we would sell their product.  Both
said they would-but neither delivered.
 These boosters  are fairly easy to do at home.  Just mount it up in the vice,
take a piece of angle iron (or something similar), about 3 feet long, drill
two holes or slots in it to match the master cylinder mounting studs, and spin
that sucker open.  Assembly, of course, is just the reverse.  The big concern
for us here was the nature of how these things are put together, with the
diaphragm essentially just being pinched between the two pieces of metal.
With a new booster, the diaphragm has only been pinched and twisted once.
With a re plated booster using a used diaphragm, the diaphragm has been
pinched and or twisted at least 3 times.  Naturally, we are concerned with the
inherent safety issues, and because we have not seen a new diaphragm from any
of the big guys in the game, we don't sell them.   Maybe they do use new
diaphragms, but I am suspicious.....   If all that twisting and pinching
causes a tear to develop in the diaphragm it could spell disaster for
yourself, your family, or some innocent third party.

Having said all that- I made a sales call on one of my competitors the other
day (Joe at the Parts Place in Chicago) and was surprised to hear him say that
he had started to re plate boosters.  I asked him about the diaphragm issue,
and he informed me that after much hassle, he was able to strike a deal with a
Bendix guy and was using new diaphragms.  Considering the safety issue, and
the availability of plating in most major cities, I would suggest perhaps
buying a diaphragm from Joe, if he would sell one, and having your booster
plated locally.  That way you wouldn't have to worry about it- and you would
know it was done as correctly as possible.  Just my unsolicited 3 cents worth.

Steve Kenny
1968 Hurst/Olds-In the middle of a "BODY OFF" restoration!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:39:15 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

MROTHE wrote:
>
> > > I am wondering if I am totally insane when I do this
> > Possibly.....
> > > Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
> > Yes. 1970 4-4-2 A.K.A. The Experience.
> >
> I might name the H/O.  Probably "Gold digger", or "Money Pit", or
> "Dollar Vacuum"....... =:o

How about Goldmobile or Cashcow or Whitegold or White Lightnin'
(Southern spelling) .   :)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:24:46 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: carpet dye

Sherwin-Williams automotive paints has a vinyl/carpet dye.  Can't say how
it works on vinyl, but it works *great* on carpets.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: carpet dye / suspension package
> Date: Saturday, December 13, 1997 11:45 PM
>
>
> I haven't tried it yet but Plasti-Kote makes an aerosol fabric dye they
> say will work on fabric and presumably carpet. I got mine at a NAPA
store.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:51:54 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: road trip

Hello everyone.  Looks like I get to make a road trip again next week.  We
will put about 3,000 miles on the Cutlass this time.  I sure like the way
the car rides on the road. this makes the trip enjoyable.  We are going to
take I-10 to
Mobile then north on I-65 to Nashville then 24 to Clarksville.  Visit the
kids then take 24 to 57 then south to 55 to 40 to 30 to 35 then home.  Lots
of driving and miles.  Thats one reason I am glad I own a rocket.  It is
reliable enough to do this a couple times a year.  One of these days I will
be able to plan my trips to be at the same time as a rocket event some
where, that sure would be nice.

This trip is in the planning stage until sunday.  Any suggestions or ideas
on added sites or whatever there might be in these areas?  I plan to spend a
week on this trip, keep the cost low and have a great time doing it.


One other off the wall question.

Am I the only one with the luck, that after I was and wax the car it either
rains or birds turn it in to a practice target? :o  Washed the Cutlass this
weekend and before the day  was over the birds got it.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:58:56 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
>Does anyone besides me name thier ride? My Olds is "Alice" - No reason, I just
liked the name, and it seems to like it too...>


I have never named any of my cars, but I DO talk to my 4-4-2.  Out loud
too! (no kidding)  I don't care what anybody thinks but to me, these
production line produced cars, who parts are interchangeable, which are
nothing more than metal, glass, plastic, rubber and steel, DO have their
own personalities and traits.

(need a life don't I?)  :)  Seriously, I'm not insanely extreme about it
like going on a picnic and holding a sandwich up to the grill for the
car to take an imaginary bite.  But I do say verbal thoughts out loud
sometimes while I'm cleaning, tuning, etc.   Or I'll go over the next
steps of my to-do-list with the car, like: "Once we get those stock
valve covers on you, I think I'll change your battery to a top post
one".

I better quit now before you people have me committed!  So Jerry, your
not the only "kook" on the list after all.  <:-0

- --
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:57:26 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: power tour /top speed limiters

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone....
>
> The discussion about the Power Tour really interests me.  I even caught Hot
> Rod TV on TNN this weekend.  They did a nice bit on it.  It looks really
> fun!

I like the idea of this too and may join in with my Impala SS.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with the top-speed limiters that GM installs
> on the newer fuel injected cars?  My Seville cuts out at 115 MPH.

These can be removed. A company out on California called Z industries
can reprogram the PCM's to remove the limiter. Also Hypertech makes a
Power Programmer for certain newer cars that allows you to remove the
Speed Limiter...I would contact them about the Seville though as I don't
know of anything they make for it offhand.

> first time I experienced this it really scared me.  It is like someone
> shuts off the ignition key and turns it back on.

> The Corvette, and F-bodies and Caddy Northstars don't have limiters
supposedly.

Usually depends on the tires ordered with the car, at least in the
F-body case. Some 93+ F-bodies got speed limited to 108 with certain
tires, others got a 156 limiter (which is the top speed of those cars in
stock trim).
>
> I also heard that Chrysler has rpm limiters whereas GM has speed limiters.

My old 93 Z/28 and my current Impala SS doth have rev limiters. In fact
I had habit of bouncing off the rev limiter at the track with the 93,
til I had it moved to a higher rpm. A good place to find info on speed
and rev limiters for GM cars might be the F-body FAQ at www.f-body.org,
or look under "The best of the F-body list" on the same page.

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 Impy SS
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 H/O W-25

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:31:50 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: $85 valve covers?

Joe & Toni Artwell wrote:

> I've seen these at many a swap meet for $35.00.>

SOLD!  :)

- --
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:31:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Phx contact, '70 Cs f/s

I've told folks here before, I say it again, in the Phoenix/ Mesa AZ area,
there's a great Olds contact- Dick Bybee. Just spoke to him tonight, when I
last saw him Easter, he was working on a hot older generation motor, a  371
maybe? The engine owner put it in a car- I forget exact car, probably a late
50's 88, entered it in La Carrera Pan Americana- the 1800 mile race across the
length of Mexico. After a 1400 mile break-in. They *won* the race. This is one
of those races it's an honor just to FINISH. He is truly an Old Racer. Two
colors of silicone, all that. 11" rear drums, front disk conversion, and, get
this- he can fit TH400's to these early Olds motors. So, there is more than one
answer to the old problem of what to do when the pre-64 trans poops out.

Anyhow, Dick says he has an excellent project car there awaiting a buyer. AZ
rustfree, of course. Listen up...
  1970 Cutlass Post Coupe. Factory 455, ª-matching motor still there. TH400.
Was duals-xst, needs xmans back. 2V carburetion. Manual drum brakes. 2.73
12-bolt differential, boxed control arms. FE2 suspension, with original 7" wide
wheels and full-wheel covers. No front fenders, no radiator support. Bench
seat. All that for $1200.

Call Dick Bybee at 602-984-4442 work hours. With a phone number like that, you
gotta like him. I highly recommend him. He's not online s'far as I know.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:30:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Silence

Is it possible that noone had anything to say today at all?  I got 0 Olds
messages.  Can whoever the person is please tell me if I am still
subscribed, please.  Thankyou.


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:36:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...

My older brother bought his first car for $350. It was a real piece, a
'80 P*ntiac Phe*nix. Anyway the original blue paint was flaking away
and he thought my uncle (now known as Fast Edie) could paint it.  He
told him he would like red if he could do it.  It was down there for a
while and finally my uncle just used whatever paint he had around. He
painted the sides of the car red and the hood, top, and trunk were
white.  It was one of the sorriest things I ever saw. After scraping
paint of the windows, mirrors, and tires!! he did drive it for quite a
while.  I came to be known as the Coke Can or the Candy Cane.  Atleast
he pay to have it painted.

Jeremy "Sqk 'Em Off" Elder
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:43:46 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

Trevor Lee wrote:
>         Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
> unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:
>
>         RVO VUM
>
>         It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a r
ear-view
> mirror.


      T1 3VOM

:-)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:09:31 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

People have been so uptight here lately it is nice to lighten up.  You
should see how bad the flaming has been on the other mailing list that I am
on (Fordnatics).  <geez>  These guys are out to kill sometimes!  Of course,
I never do anything bad, nope not me...

Drew Walz
DREW RACING
- ----------
> From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The one that got away
> Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 1:36 PM
>
>
> God...have you guys thought about a career in stand-up!!!
>
> I had no idea I'd start such a string of one-liners...thanx for the
> chuckles...
>
> Scott Wheeler John Marshall '83
> 68 442 Conv
> Dallas
>
>
>
>


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:26:58 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

I am sorry, but that is the wrong color code for her hair.

Code 65-----Bluehair

The hair net was actually:

Code 70-----HoldsWigOrNoHair

Drewzilla
DREWZILLA RACING

- ----------
> From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The one that got away
> Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 4:53 PM
>
> > Is that an original color combo? I haven't ever heard of a Lime green
71.
>
> Code 43-----Lime Green.
>
> Mike Rothe
> 69 H/O
> 71 442 HT
> 85 442 T-top
> 76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:35:43 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

The '98 Project Power Wagon plate:
PWR WAGN

Last years Mustang plate was:
SLO=CHVY
(I just made an = out of black tape and put it in the space between the SLO
and CHVY.  None of the police that pulled me over for <uhem> other things
(speeding?  who me?) said one thing about the taped = on the plate.  I
thought that was cool.

Drewzilla
DREWZILLA RACING
- ----------
> From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: License Plate ideas...
> Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 5:20 PM
>
>
> O.K., here's a question to the list members...
> What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates, I've got
a
> couple of good ones for my 68 droptop, but I'd love some other ideas
>
>
> Considering:
> for the Speed Racer fan I am...Racer X...
>
> Come on...be creative!
>
> Scott Wheeler
> 68 442 Conv
> Dallas
>

------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:42:19 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?

I use a rubber/cork composite of some type, forget the exact name--want to say
"ultra-blue" or something like that.  Anyway, I don't use *any* RTV or Permatex
of any kind on mine, not the slightest leak either.  And I've removed the
covers and reassembled several times.  Just make sure you don't overtighten,
hand tighten only, start at inside and work out gradually.

Todd Morris
71 442

>A while back, someone on the list said to use a little "gasket material"
>on the covers only to make the gasket stick.  This was said to make for
>an easier installation.  Sounds good to me, I'll try it.  Since I
>haven't done this type of work for about 12 years I feel I'm a little
>rusty.  ANY help, suggestions, tips or "don't do that's" anyone can give
>is greatly appreciated!  BTW, it's a 455 with a/c.
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:52:29 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

My god man do you think you have enough Oldsmobiles...nevermind, I
know...you can never have enough Oldsmobiles.

John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland
See the world's only web site with no pictures!
HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

WOW!!!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:29:06 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

DREW RACING wrote:
>
> People have been so uptight here lately it is nice to lighten up.  You
> should see how bad the flaming has been on the other mailing list that I am
> on (Fordnatics).  <geez>  These guys are out to kill sometimes!  Of course,
> I never do anything bad, nope not me...

Hey, I must say, there has been a need for a firesuit in here, for a
little while...  But all seems calm (Maybe the eye of a hurricane, it'd
be my luck).  My Mustang II list has only had one attempted arson.  We
all carried fire extinguishers and unloaded...  He left the list, and
back to peace and quite....  But peace and quite gets boring
sometimes...  So does techincal dribble sometimes, or Q&A sessions...
It's not always fun to read just a FAQ without a personality...........
Then again...  Sometimes you outta read one, and ask questions
anyway...  hahahaha.
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:31:51 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...

I think this car would have been loved...by blind people maybe!  ;)

Drew Walz
DREWZILLA RACING

- ----------
> From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...
> Date: Monday, December 15, 1997 10:36 PM
>
> My older brother bought his first car for $350. It was a real piece, a
> '80 P*ntiac Phe*nix. Anyway the original blue paint was flaking away
> and he thought my uncle (now known as Fast Edie) could paint it.  He
> told him he would like red if he could do it.  It was down there for a
> while and finally my uncle just used whatever paint he had around. He
> painted the sides of the car red and the hood, top, and trunk were
> white.  It was one of the sorriest things I ever saw. After scraping
> paint of the windows, mirrors, and tires!! he did drive it for quite a
> while.  I came to be known as the Coke Can or the Candy Cane.  Atleast
> he pay to have it painted.
>
> Jeremy "Sqk 'Em Off" Elder
> '82 Cutlass, 455
> '86 Cougar, 302

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:07:13 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil or Not Synthetic?

This may be covered in the FAQ since I know it's been discussed before.
The general concensus is "just say no" to Slick50.  There is currently a
lawsuit in progress against them for advertising fraud.  I was home sick
from work last week channel flipping and watch a ProLong infomercial.
It sure looks impressive, but I'm still not sold.  I can't figure out
how those cars operated *at all* without oil, since you need oil in the
hydraulic lifters to open the valves.  Something smells fishy...

I also think that most of these additives are marketed towards mom and
her econo-box that's lucky if it gets the oil changed once a year by
Jiffy-Lube.

Most of the additives contain Chlorine, which works good as an extreme
pressure agent, but causes corrosion.  The oil manufacturers discovered
this and stopped adding chlorine a long time ago.

I'm a user of synthetic oil.  I like it a lot.  Pressure builds faster
in the winter, with easier cranking.  And oil pressure drops less
(sometimes none at all) on long drives when the engine gets warm.  Lots
less sludge in the engine too after many years of use.  However, I think
it's 10 times more important to just change your oil regularly and
frequently (every 3k or 3-4 months) than it is what type and brand of
oil you use.

Brian Richardson wrote:

> ' 72 Cutlass 442, 350 4bbl (51K non-original miles)
>
> Opinions greatly appreciated
>
> What about Slick50 products or those similar?
>
> Thanks in advance

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:46:49 -0800
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Clutch problems.

Dave,

     Would this happen all the time or only when the car gets warmed up?  Mine
seems to do this once the car is hot.

Thanks

Wyatt@jobax.net wrote:

> Chris wrote,
> OL>The clutch in my '68 442 is acting up once the car gets warm.  The
> OL>clutch is about 1 1/2 years old and is a Hays performance clutch.  It
> OL>will work fine until the car is up to normal operating temps and then
> OL>from a dead start the car will jump a lot as I am slowly releasing the
> OL>clutch.  This doesn't happen if the car has any forward momentum.  I
> OL>haven't adjusted it since I installed it and I'm not sure if it needs it
> OL>either.  Any tips or ideas are welcome.
>
> Clutch chatter is usually caused by past abuse of the clutch.  I know
> you or I would never be hard on the clutch in our 4-4-2s :-)  What has
> happened is, at some point the temp. of the clutch, flywheel, and
> pressure plate have been a little extreme causing the flywheel to become
> glazed and/or checked.  This causes the disc to grab instead of smoothly
> slipping during engagement.  As you said, this does not happen between
> gear changes, only from dead starts.  That is because you let the clutch
> out very quickly when changing gears, unlike a slower release from a
> stop.  I bet if you brought the engine up and dumped the clutch like you
> would on the strip, you would not get the chattering.
>
> Been there, done that, have the T-shirt!
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2



- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:59:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: wasted space

sorry about the r command instead of the c command and the resulting waste
of space on the digest.
i wont burn the tires off in the first 3 gears the next 2 times i take the
442 out, and i wont black out any yellow or white paint lines with the
rear tires the next 1 time i take out the 47 out, i promise.
47rocket98

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:50 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

DREW RACING wrote:
>
> People have been so uptight here lately it is nice to lighten up.  You
> should see how bad the flaming has been on the other mailing list that I am
> on (Fordnatics).  <geez>  These guys are out to kill sometimes!  Of course,
> I never do anything bad, nope not me...

Drew, you ought to check out the Mazda RX7 list.  A couple of people on
that list are a LITTLE UPSET at each other.  Really tacky commentary
going on.

Must be something in the atmosphere (El Nino, maybe?) causing chapped
skin or something.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:35:30 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Don and others,

Fordnatics are thinking of buying bullet-proof vests and fire suits for a
discount group purchase.  We should all pool together and protects all the
mailing list members!  Lol!  :)

Drew Walz
DREWZILLA RACING


- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The one that got away
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 12:20 AM
>
> DREW RACING wrote:
> >
> > People have been so uptight here lately it is nice to lighten up.  You
> > should see how bad the flaming has been on the other mailing list that
I am
> > on (Fordnatics).  <geez>  These guys are out to kill sometimes!  Of
course,
> > I never do anything bad, nope not me...
>
> Drew, you ought to check out the Mazda RX7 list.  A couple of people on
> that list are a LITTLE UPSET at each other.  Really tacky commentary
> going on.
>
> Must be something in the atmosphere (El Nino, maybe?) causing chapped
> skin or something.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:44:14 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...

Jerry,

You are correct.  I need to be careful not to ruin my hot wood grain image!

Drew Walz
DREWZILLA RACING

- ----------
> From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Cheesy paint jobs from hell...
> Date: Saturday, December 13, 1997 9:31 PM
>
> DREW RACING wrote:
>
> > LOL!  That is hilarious!  Project Power Wagon needs a paint job and new
>
> > God, I hope they paint while sober...
>
> This is true, although it would have a hint of indivuality, you won't
> wanna make the "Power Wagon" go from that to the "Loser Cruiser"
> --
>                  Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:39:01 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cork Vs. Rubber ?

This subject is very interesting to me. I have had nothing but problems trying
to get my covers to stop leaking. I have tried both cork and rubber dry and
with different types of sealents etc. Using tall moroso chrome covers. Ruffed
up the insides where the gasket sits glued it over night before making it
tight etc. Used Lock tite on the bolts which still come loose. Bottom line its
a real pain in the A__. It seems like the area on the heads is to narrow for
the gaket, either that or the covers have to much of a radius on them, and the
gasket does not sit on them as well either. I have even sealed the gaskets to
the covers first waited over night and them put them on. I always end up with
a leak and never in the same place go figure.

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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:54:24 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Namesakes

I used to list my car's names, but with that and where I live I thought it
took up too much bandwidth (grin).

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim CA

'64 Cutlass - Ruby
'66 Toro - LA Woman
'67 Delta 88 - Tizzy J
'69 Toro - Toro II
'72 Vista Cruiser - VC

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:16:17 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
>
> What are some of the cool Olds/Car related personalized plates

The plates on my 1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais (with rocket V8, of course)
are RKTSINC (rocket science)!
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:18:15 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'

Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:
>
> The song's about an extremely rare car called an nicknamed the 455
> Rocket...
>
> Anybody know what the car is? Seen the video...Baby blue...4 door I think.

Someone here said it was a 59 88, hopefully with a 455 dropped in.  If
anybody's seen the video, what the heck is up with those cheesy emblems?
Those didn't come off of any Oldsmobile, did they?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:22:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: SSIII rims on an 87 Cutlass Supreme

>Jerry Christopher wrote:
>>
>> possibility of 14 inch Cragars, I had an option to "chicken out".  SSIII
>> rims (I hope I am right) are 15 inch wheels
>
>No.  SSIII's are 14".  All of them, right A-Body guys?

No, they came in both 14" and 15" versions. I've had both sizes lying around
here at one time or another.

The factory SSI rims were all 14", but they are available in 15" as 
aftermarket.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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