
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, December 17 1997    Volume 01 : Number 1015



Re: Old Racer's Trick
Re: I have to sell my 442
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: Garage Heating?...  Part 3!!!!!
Re: Garage Heating?
re:Where's Bill Reilly?/Car Craft photo
73 Cutlass
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: Go Speed Racer!
Re: My car on TV again!
Garage Heating?
Re: A little humor and off the wall question
1/2 Sucked Gobstopper
Re: 68 Cutlass S interior
Garage Heating System
Inline filters
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Garage Heating?
Re: The Perfect Woman
RE: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)
Re: Garage Heating?.....   Part 2
RE: sounds (my take on the subject)
Re: TRANSMISSION: O-Ring
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: Spotted on the way in to work
Re: Namesakes
Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: Go Speed Racer!
Re: A little humor and off the wall question.
Possessed Windshield Wipers
UNS#BSCR%B(NG???
Re: gasket info....
Re: My car on TV again!
re:Where's Bill Reilly?/Car Craft photo
Re: My car on TV again!
Re: 1/2 Sucked Gobstopper
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: The Perfect Woman
Re: 73 Cutlass
Re: The Perfect Woman
Re: Garage Heating System
Re: The Perfect Woman
Re: Olds History Center
Re: Olds History Center
Re: Sad Rad
Re: gasket info....

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:07:52 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Old Racer's Trick

In a message dated 97-12-16 12:11:20 EST, you write:

<< 
 Installed a Performer RPM with basically this method last weekend. It
 seems fine, but all of these dire warnings posted have gotten me
 paranoid.
 How do I tell if it's leaking, (a little/alot?, coolant/compression?)?
 Once the car warms up there is no white smoke, but when I ran it in
 the driveway to get it warm enough to set the carb and re-check the
 torque, it left two small puddles of clear water on the ground below
 the trumpets. It definitely seems to be just plain water. It has no
 smell, but I'm not about to taste it.
 Is this just normal condensation?
 
  >>

If it's got an intake gasket leak at the manifold, usually they will run like
crap.  I'd guess that the water you saw was just that, condensation.  You may
have gotten some into things when you changed the manifold (little bit of
water goes into the ports when removing things.  It's possible I'm sure.

One thing...   did you start it for just a minute first, turn it off, then re-
start to make adjustments, and change carb settings?  If you did this, you
probably got things warm enough to make some condensation in the exhaust when
it was shut off, then after restarting, it came out the pipes.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:12:38 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: I have to sell my 442

Joe Fauzio announced:

Hi All, I must sell my 71 442 convertible...

     OK, now that you have our attention, what about sharing the details.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:10:57 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

     I just remembered a couple more:
     
     Plates I had on the 85 Calais 500 Pace Car replica I owned:  8T5 INDY
     
     Plates I want to get for my 69 H/O (due to a "friend" who kept calling 
     it a Judge):   NOTA GTO
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:07:51 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

In a message dated 97-12-16 11:59:41 EST, you write:

<< 
 ---Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com> wrote:
 Hi All
 I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage
 
 !!!!!!!!
 Here here! I need the same info! My long awaited 30x40 garage is
 finally nearing closed-in status. I'll be happy just to get in from
 the cold/rain/etc. I do have a 22,000 BTU kerosene heater.......we'll
 see how it works out. A buddy has a kerosene fueled torpedo heater (we
 call it the jet engine heater) and it works OK in his 20x26 garage.
 For about $200 it seems like a good option. It's seems easier to go to
 the gas station and get another 5 gals of kerosene VS getting a
 propane tank refilled. 
 
 ===
 John Pajak >>

When I've done work outside during the cold months, I've always used the same
thing, my dad's Kerosene heater (Salamander).  the one he's got is 100,000
BTU's, and works quite nicely (in January temps, below zero, I've been in my
jeans, and a tee-shirt, and sweating my *ss off, and this is in an uninsulated
garage).  They work quite nicely.  Another option (depending on what you have
available for space, etc.) would be a full fledged furnace (find a used one,
of course), I've seen this done before, just have to run a gas line out to the
garage. One other option would be the natural gas heaters that they use in
factories (I'd guess some may be electric also), but they mount overhead,and
blow air down.  My father is looking into these for his new 30x54 ft. shed,
and it looks like they will be an attractive way to go.  They are not much
more than a Salamander in terms of initial cost, but I'd bet they are cheaper
to run than using Kerosene (which isn't cheap, by the gallon, but natural gas
is probably cheaper), plus you save the fact of having to "run" for gas when
you are out.  One thing to help you out would be the idea of insulating while
you are still building.  This will save you some money come time to heat the
building during winter.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:07:58 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?...  Part 3!!!!!

In a message dated 97-12-16 16:58:49 EST, you write:

<< 
 Around here you have to have a heated and insulated garage if you intend 
 to do any serious work during much of the year. 
 
 I always thought the ideal way to heat it would be with radiant hot water 
 in the floor, but that gets expensive. I am a little leery of kerosene 
 heaters because they dump a lot of moisture into the air unless they are 
 exhausted to the outdoors, and I haven't seen one that does that. I am 
 not a huge fan of gas heaters, or gas furnaces either, becuase I am 
 frankly scared of gas vapors in a garage environment.
 
  >>
One other thing I guerss I didn't expound upon in my last two dissertation on
garage heating, was the idea of getting a woodburning stove with a "heat fan"
on it (you can either have an actual "box" from which you draw the air,
similar to a commercial household stove), or you can use the little fans which
create the same effect by mounting on the exhaust outlet from the stove area.
I'm guessing the little ones don't push out as much heat, due to their size,
although I may be wrong since the last time my parents had one has been quite
some time.

We used to use a woodburner at nights to heat my parents house.  It was fairly
large, but worked real well (heated all 2,000 sq. ft. of it without turning on
the furnace).  You may even be able to find one used, or another method I've
seen is using a 55 gal. drum.  There are kits to turn these into a stove, and
they include "feet", and a door, plus (as I recall) a duct mount.  All this
for like $20-30 for the kit (as I recall).  If anybody is interested, I can
dig out the catalog for it (it was an industrial catalog).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:28:54 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

Well, not sure how much your lookin to spend, but I have a garage 
around that size, and bought a 35,000 btu heater for it with optional 
thermostat attachment for $150.00 total at Farm and Fleet. Optional 
cart for it is only $20.00 more. Keeps me nice and toasty while I am 
detailing and stuff, only takes about an hour to get it about 55-60 
degrees inside, when its been 23 degrees outside, hope it helps.


> Hi All
> 
> I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage. The
> heater that was installed in the garage when I bought the place went
> on the fritz, and I'm looking to replace it. Although, after reading
> Greg's post about looking forward to a 30 degree day to do radiator
> work, it seems like folly to heat a Virginia garage. But, I'm gonna
> do it anyway. So, what I'm thinking is a propane based torpedo style
> heater with electronic ignition and a thermostat. I'm looking at
> propane because the potential vapors from a liquid fuel like
> kerosene make me nervous, and I've used several electric space
> heaters with disappointing results. I am particularly interested in
> recommendations on what BTU range it would take to raise the temp.
> in the garage 20-30 degrees over a period of several hours. Any
> input would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> Ray
> Alexandria, VA
> '70 442 Conv.
> '70 Cutlass Conv.

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Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:07:27 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: re:Where's Bill Reilly?/Car Craft photo

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo wrote:

>I noticed today thatthe "Real Ride" photo in the November Car Craft is an
>85 Cutlass owned by William Reilly.  Is that the same Bill around here?


Yeah, That's my ride.  Interesting story behind this also, I went to the
Rallye 350 meet back in October and was talking to Tom Millard (who's on
the List also).  He initially told me that my Cutlass was in the mag.  I
was so exited and was eager to recieve my copy in the mail.  However Car
Craft had some problems that month getting everything in the mail on time,
So I never recieved my copy.  I went out and bought one at the local
newstand and am still waiting to get my copy (should be here next month).

Needless to say, it's pretty cool to see my ride in a nationally publicated
magazine.  I've already cut out the picture and laminated it on a nice
plaque for the wall.  Looks great IMOHO  :)

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme (Now Famous??!!)
'83 Cutlass Ciera


PS  Ray, Is your Cutlass a dark Maroon?? If it is, I caught a glimpse of it
on the Hot Rod TV show this past Sunday.

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:14:07 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: 73 Cutlass

Hey matt whats up with those parts? Did you start taking that thing apart yet?

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:34:43 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> and a thermostat. I'm looking at propane because the potential vapors from
> a liquid fuel like kerosene make me nervous, and I've used several electric
> space heaters with disappointing results.

My dad bought a twenty-year old kerosene heater at a garage sale about a
month back.. He said to turn it on when I was out doing body work over
Thanksgiving break.  I, too, was nervous about the fumes, but he said that
kerosene heaters were designed to run in the house.  No problem at all. 
They just smell funny.  It even says on the heater that if you run it
indoors, just to keep it away from curtains, etc.  That old heater really
warms up our garage (a little over 20x20) in an hour or so.  It'll bring it
up from 30 or so to around 50 in two or three hours.  I'm not sure about
the BTU rating, though.  
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:38:42 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

AEROTECH wrote:
> 
> >You must mean PCV...the EGR system has nothing to do with the crankcase
> >vapours.
> 
> The EGR takes the unburnt gas vapors from the crankcase and recircualtes
> them through the engine. this is why the Q4 has no PCV and EGR. they work
> together.

Doesn't EGR stand for Exhaust Gas Recurculation?  Why would the Exhaust Gas
Recirculation system take vapors from the crankcase?  And why would the
crankcase vapors richen up the mixture and help with emissions (EGR's
mission)?

Not arugin' just askin'...

Thanks.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:38:20 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

> I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage
> 

I don't have any specific plans, etc, but I've seen a few versions of
waste oil heaters, many homemade.  Very effective!  Stuff burns HOT! 
Suprisingly, the EPA lets 'em run, too.  Considerring the only cost
involved would be initial stove construction and oil storage (nobody
~sells~ waste oil, although many ~charge~ to come pick it up... catch my
drift?) these are a dream come true for the auto fanatics.  Worth a
second look, at least.  ~Everybody~ has a gallon or two of waste oil in
their backyards, don't they?  (Hmm, my ~old~ backyard probably ~still~
does!  Oops...)


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:05:18 -0600
From: "Paul L. Brillhart" <PBRILL1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer!

Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I have a 4 year old daughter & a 15 month old daughter so needless to
> say
> our household television schedule revolves around 2
> channels...Nickelodeon
> & The Cartoon Network!
>
> The latter shows Speed Racer at 10:30 cst weeknights...OOOHHH Chim
> Chim!!!!
>
> My 4 year old thinks Speed Racer is really cool...is it too early for
> her
> to have a crush? She always says I'm Trixie!
>
> Happy Viewing!
>
> Scott Wheeler
> 68 442 Conv
> Dallas

   Scott,

  I'll assume you meant to put quotations around the I'm Trixie part.

  Paul

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:05:50 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: My car on TV again!

> Hot Rod Magazine TV show played the Power Tour episode again.  I set my

> of the driving car.  If anyone happened to notice the front end of an 87
> Cutlass at (I believe) the Denver spot, that was mine!  Next year, I hope

  (In my ~best~ Tom Anderson impression {Beavis and Butthead character})
Aaaah, aaah dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit!!!  (Don't
worry, I'm not throwing golf clubs around!)

I got to see part of that at work the other day.  Every chance I'd get I
was glued to the TV.  Nope, another che*y.  Nope, that's not an Olds
either.  Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope...  Wouldn't you know they bury
one in there when my head is turned....   Dammit dammit dammit!  Sorry I
missed it man!

               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:23:49 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Garage Heating?

So, what I'm thinking is a propane based torpedo style heater with electronic
ignition and a thermostat. I'm looking at propane because the potential
vapors from a liquid fuel like kerosene make me nervous, and I've used
several electric space heaters with disappointing results.

Ray
- ----------
I'm considering something similar, but a vent free LP wall based heater, with
thermostat (peizeo starter) and blower. These are for indoor use, mounted in
a wall. I'll mount it to the rear garage wall, over a workbench, about 5-6
feet off the floor. It will be fed from a portable LP tank, about 15 feet
away, using black pipe, with a short rubber leader hose from the tank. All
flammable liquids would be at least that far away, properly closed up, and
checked before operating the heater. I'll have a CO detector in the garage.

The post from a week ago about the dangers of LP vehicles, vapors and fires
got me worried. My setup being stationary and not subject to vibration starts
to settle that leak worry. However, wouldn't the same problems hold true for
natural gas? It leaking being just as dangerous? Since my heater would be
above a flammable workbench, I'll put a nice big piece of sheet metal over
that area.

Ideas, opinions, experiences?
- -- 
David Brown              Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com      OR     http://www.en.com/users/thall
    http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:17:55 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question

Gregg,

What a good story.  I really enjoyed it.  On a similar note, I could
swear that my 77 CSB was either haunted (by the previous owner) or
had a personality of its own.  Whenever I would let my significant
other (SO) use the car, the car would exhibit bad behavior.  Not like
how it behaved for me.  It probably had something to do with my SO
calling the car a POS.

I guess we all have similar stories.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:13:12 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: 1/2 Sucked Gobstopper

http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/pics/gobstopper/

Take a look at these pictures and you will understand the subject of this 
message.

I would like your help in pointing me to pictures of this type of car in a 
variety of colours....

Thanx a million...

EA
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:48:35 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: 68 Cutlass S interior

Art,

The guys at Year One answered the same question for me, they have Surface
Prep spray, a hard plastic primer & Dyes for most colors for both soft
vinyl & hard plastic. They say it is very durable and the guy I talked to
said he redoes his every 2-3 years if it gets scratched.

Call 'em up!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas




artp@iem.com on 12/16/97 04:13:25 PM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  68 Cutlass S interior




I am about to start on the interior restoration of my 68 Cutlass S. I have
collected catalogs and price lists. Anyone care to share do's and don't s.
I
have found a pair of original 68 bucket seats. The ones form my car a gone.
The pair I got are black and my interior is green. Any tips for how to
prepare and color the hard parts green?
IEM, Inc.
Art Pforr
Customer Service
Hardware Technical Support
Phone 970-221-3005
Fax 970-221-3709
artp@iem.com
http://www.iem.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:55:15 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Garage Heating System

Hey all,

        Here's a fairly inexpensive way to heat your garage with wood. Take
two 55 or 30 gal drums. Make yourself a rack to stack them about 8 inches
apart (on top of each other) and about 18 inches from the floor. Take a
piece of stack pipe and run it between the barrels on one end and put a
small furnace door in the flat of the other end of the lower barrel. Then
off the top barrel in the middle make your self a small chimney a vent it 90
degrees to the outside of your garage through the wall. This will heat your
garage with dry heat. Us a small dampner to control amount of heat you need.
Insulate the area behind the unit where the sides are near a wall. The only
problem with this system is you take-up room in your garage to us it. It's
primitive but effective.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:06:57 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Inline filters

Gregg Greer asked:

         Also, could anyone who has switched to an inline filter suggest a good
setup or a particular brand or type of filter to use?  As always, any 
help/futher insight with this would be
greatly appreciated.
     
     Gregg,
     
     I usually just use the Fram or AC inline filters available in any auto 
     parts store.  These come in both 5/16" and 3/8" tube sizes, depending 
     on which you're using for your fuel line.  Both vendors' filters are 
     significantly larger (and thus, I assume, lower restriction) than the 
     small in-carb factory unit.  Another option which I've used is the 
     large Fram inline filter with the replaceable paper cartridge.  This 
     unit actually uses pipe thread fittings to connect to the fuel line.  
     I used this on a heavily modified 71 Cutlass with an electric fuel 
     pump mounted near the tank.  I mounted the filter adjacent to the 
     electric pump and plumbed it all together with Aeroquip line.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:52:03 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> >         Here's one I somehow thought up one day - it doesn't make ANY sense
> > unless you think what it would look like in a rear view mirror:
> >
> >         RVO VUM
> >
> >         It works out great because only one letter is backwards in a rear-view
> > mirror.
>
> Try:
>
> 3M TA3
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

         HA-HA-HA...now that is sweet.  I wonder how many different plates we could
think up that are elgible from a rear-view.  That'd be an interesting venture.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:32:23 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?

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Everyone,
    One thing to be extremely cautious about when heating your garage with a
propane type heater is asphyxiation.  That type of heater will eat up all
the oxygen in the space and put anyone in it permanently to sleep.  It just
happened to a couple here a week or so ago.  They used there propane stove
to heat their camper.  Found them a few days later dead because of the
stove.  If you use a propane type heater ensure that the space is well
ventilated (I know you are saying what the hell do I ventilate for when I am
trying to heat?).  Just open a door for a few minutes every now and then or
crack a window.  A little precaution here can save your life so you can work
on that project another day.

    By the way,  I use a Mr. Heater propane heater with three burners and it
works great, with the above precautions.  I live in Montana and my garage is
about 20 x 25 and isn't even insulated and this thing will sweat you out if
you run on high to long.  You can get this heater from Summit for about
$132.  I found my at a local business for $117.

Travis Adams
65 442 post



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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:47:25 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

>peg (the perfect Oldsmobile woman) d'oh!
Hey - I guess that leaves me with the title of "Oldest Oldsmobile woman" - !!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:57:06 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: Rad Cap w/ An Attitude...

Too true - but I had overcautious teachers so I have about 30 jackstands
laying around here so the cars never move (when they're in the air) etc.
But there was the time we had the Ch*velle stall on us and it was on a
slope and started rolling - out into traffic no less - and my boyfriend was
trying like crazy to stop it (by being dragged along by it), luckily the
front tires settled into the gutter and it stopped, but not before it
rolled over his foot and crushed it - he was so mad he kicked the quarter
panel about 10 times. Never stopped regretting it but he said he didn't
regret how it made him feel better at the moment.

Good luck & speedy healing.  My Mom and Dad had a battery explode on them
once and they were saved from more serious burns by the hood - some scary
stuff happens even when you do everything as you should.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:45:39 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

  How about "Trouble"  I'm sure ~those~ plates are
>taken, though...  Hmm...

I had a cat that I named Mischief cause thats all he caused - how could you
put that into plate-speak? 

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim CA

'72 Vista Cruiser - L OLDS 
The rest have original black and gold plates but I'm getting LA (heart
symbol) WOMN for my '66 Toro (LA Woman - I'm a Doors fan and its an orig.
LA car).

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:04:55 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Calling all  69 H/O's(kinda long, but really cool)

WOW.  We bow to you  in respect of the honor bestowed in getting to talk to
the Doctor.  I mean, that's about the highest Olds honor I could imagine.

Humbly yours,



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:18:24 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating?.....   Part 2

hey, what about running a natural gas line to the garage, then connecting it
to a gas furnace/stove?  we have one and i was wondering.....  hmmm..  seems
perfect.

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 01:43:00 UT
From: "CHUCK ODY" <ODYFAMILY@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: sounds (my take on the subject)

- ----------
From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of 
Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Sent: 	Friday, December 12, 1997 9:49 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: sounds (my take on the subject)


why not have both? I will!




smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu on 12/12/97 11:13:02 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: sounds (my take on the subject)




jerry,
im not so sure about the stereos in the new cars.  i got rid of mine
because i live in new york and it saves on weight.  All of us just want
to launch these pocket rockets.  Lets have one of these rice burners step
up to me with their stereo, ill be the one that sounds good from the 7000
rpms going through the flowmasters.  thats REAL sound for my ears, its
also a sight for my eyes because hell be in my mirror.
shaun
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Jerry Christopher wrote:
> AEROTECH wrote:
> >
> > At 10:26 PM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote:
> > >  I wasn't slamming anybody, i was just trying to ask that in the
70's.what
> > >cars were the "hot rods" of the time. Not every high school kid could
> > afford a
> > >new/real muscle car at the time. I thought in the 70's people would
hot rod
> > >cars 20 years old.....or around the 50's
> > >
> >
> > yeah your right, i guess then it was no different than today when
evertone is
> > driving mom and dad's car. nothing has chaged people just the cars.
except
> > now teh hot rods are disguised as pocket rockets == Olds Quad 4
>
> Heh heh heh..  Not always...  I get the feeling that today's hot rods to
> the 20 year olds area isn't a big block blown 455, or a souped up 36
> Chevy.  In fact to me is seems like motors are farthest from the "hot
> rodding" kids style...  Today it's more speakers, amps, head units...
> All sandwiched in the interiors of Saturns, Hondas, little jap jobs.
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:59:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: TRANSMISSION: O-Ring

>Last weekend I enjoyed our 20 degrees above normal weather and changed the 
>oil in my transmission.  The car is a 72 98, T400 tranny.  The job went 
>messy, of course, but that's allowed an expected.. Now, when I'm pouring the 
>oil I caught into a container to be re-used, I found a small O-ring.  I'm 
>not worried too much, since everything seems A-OK, but I would like to know 
>if any loose O-rings sit around the bottom of a transmission?  The o-ring is 
>about the size of the tube that hooks into the oil-filter.  I am guessing 
>that maybe it goes on the 3-4 inch tube that goes betweeen the transmission 
>and filter?

It certainly sounds like that filter O-ring; they tend to hang up inside the
transmission when you drop the filter, and have to be retrieved from that
bore for the filter tube, as you only want one in there, not two (and not none).

Was there an O-ring on the filter when you reinstalled it? If not, then
reinstall this one. If yes, then don't worry about it; it might have been
stuck to the bottom of the trans pan from a previous filter change.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:59:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>>OK.  I'm gonna push the "I believe" button.  This is getting WAY too
>>confusing to pursue. I was sure the "E" in EGR stood for "Exhaust".  I
>>will do the only thing I know how on this when it comes to gathering
>>information.  FOFM. (find out for myself)
>>
>what is so hard to figure out, E does stand for Exhaust, Exhaust vapors
>from the crankcase are vented out through an oil separator then to the
>throttle body, and back thru the engine. don't make this difficult.

Well, even though there are exhaust vapors in the crankcase, that's not the
exhaust referred to in the "E" of an EGR system; it refers to exhaust gas
that is introduced into the combustion chamber specifically as an inert gas
to reduce combustion temperatures.

I don't think anyone's trying to make this difficult; just trying to stick
to the proper terminology.

and someone also wrote on the same subject:
>>good observations, all of what he says is true.  there is a vac hose from 
>>the oil seperator to the intake manifold.  As far as someone saying that

That is the description of a Positive Crankcase Ventilation system,
regardless of whether it has a "PCV" valve or not. The other alternatives
are a completely closed system (which has recently been retrofitted to
certain German Oldsmobiles, unfortunately with less-than successful results,
right, Roland... ;), or the traditional HOMV system involving an open draft
tube. As long as there is something actually drawing the crankcase gases out
of the crankcase, you've got a PCV system.

Now, I'm just wondering whether the Quad4 motors introduce the exhaust gases
into the intake stream at any point. They have a crossflow head design,
right? EGR is more difficult on such designs, though not impossible. Is the
intake preheated in any way?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:59:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Spotted on the way in to work

>     Something you don't see every day ('course, there's a reason for 
>     that).  A late 70s/early 80s FWD Omega SX 2dr.  Yellow with black 
>     stripes and, oh, about a 4 foot high SX sticker on the door (factory). 
>     From the screaming chicken school of automotive design:  the size of 
>     the logo is inversely proportional to the actual performance...
>     
>     Now, picture this car with an Aurora drivetrain...Nah, on second 
>     thought, the Omega has all the aerodynamics of the crate the Aurora 
>     engine comes in.

The last RWD Omegas also came with the SX sticker option (it came equippped
with a V-6, so the sticker was only about a foot high... ;); I was looking
at a red one back in '85 or so, thinking it would be a nice companion to my
'70. I also contemplated retrofitting a set of those huge "SX" stickers to
the rear flanks of my '70, but I'm glad I didn't; the original 1/2" high
die-cast letters are all I need (well, that and 455ci...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:24:55 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Namesakes

Lisa Madsen,

Is that 'Ruby' as in "Ruby don't take your love to town", Kenny Rogers & the
First Edition,1968.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:40:37 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

>On to the electrical problems...
>
>1) I took my daughter for a ride around the neighborhood yesterday to look
>at the Christmas lights, when all of a sudden my "GEN" light comes on...
>uh-oh, hightail it back home, and decide the alternator (which made it over
>with the engine from the '68 Toro that had been dormant for 12 years) must
>have given up its ghost. Today, I start it up, and the "GEN" light goes out
>for a couple seconds, then comes back on: hmmm, electronics don't _usually_
>fix themselves for short periods of time, do the?

I've actually had a few electrical maladies just "heal" after awhile.  Only
to completely fail altogether later. :(  The most recent event was my
tailgate window key switch.  It broke on the way to lansing, wouldn't go
down but still worked for up.  It started working again about a week after
the trip, then a month or so later it completely quit working.  I dunno. Voodoo?

My GEN light has stayed on for years, never found out why.  I have 14 or so
volts at the battery, and the amp meter says all is groovy, so I just let it
go.  Haven't fixed it, though I've cleaned up the grounds wiggled wires, etc. 

Sorry I'm not much help on that one.

>2) The blower motor (new unit) didn't come on when I finally hooked
>everything up. The first suspect was the 30A inline fuse for it from the
>power takeoff on the inner fenderwell. Unfortunately, in the process of
>diagnosing this fuse, I killed the patient (the wire was corroded badly, and
>pulled out of the rubber housing for this fuse, which was reluctant to come
>apart; btw, fuse was broken, and shot, and thus likely the culprit). I'd
>like to keep this original looking, but I don't want to wait until spring to
>find the appropriate piece at a parts yard. Has anyone had good luck
>replacing this inline fuse with, say, a 30A circuit-breaker? If I'm going to
>go non-original, I may as well upgrade.

That inline fuse is only for the "hi" setting on the 72's.  There's another
fuse in the fuse block for the lower 3 settings.  You should at least get
the lower settings even with the shot inline fuse.  I've had a lot of
trouble in the Vista Cruiser with the connection at the fan coming lose,
just falling off from old age.  It would work for a few days,hit a pothole,
and then quit.....Find another pothole and it would take off again.  Finally
cured it by plugging it in as tight as possible and then taping the snot out
of it to hold it together.  So far, so good.

Haven't tried an inline relay, but it shouldn't be too difficult.  You could
even mount it in an old voltage regulator or fan relay case to make it look
original.


>4) Wipers not working either... :( The linkage doesn't appear to be frozen,
>so I guess the culprit is the motor (which also sat exposed for the last ten
>years...). I take good care of my cars, don't I???

Check the fuse?  I've just had them go from what was apparently old age.
The `72 shop manual says you can check the motor for proper operation by
jumpering 12 volts to the terminal on the wiper motor that connects to the
yellow wire and grounding the other two terminals.  That's the "low"
setting.  Remove the ground from the blue wire connector to get "hi".  If
that works then check for the proper voltage at the yellow wire and make
sure the other two are grounding.  If they don't check out then it's either
breaks in the wires or the switch.

If you're sure there's no breaks in the wires then you can check to make
sure the switch isn't grounding properly.  I've had this happen myself, the
screw just fell out and I got an intermittent ground.  My wipers would only
work on low, the washer pump worked intermittantly, and once in awhile the
wipers freaked out or quit working period. 

 Getting to the switch is a pain.  I had to remove the left instrument
cluster and reach down.  I could just wiggle it and tell it was loose.
After some scraped knuckles and feeling around I managed to find a hole that
needed a screw, and replaced it.  As far as I could tell from feeling
around, the switch is held in with three screws.  Two on the righ and one on
the left.  (That's *your* left and right, as you sit in the seat.)  The one
on the left grounds the switch, and it was gone.  I managed to replace it
but I had to reach in from the underside of the dash to help guide it in.  I
had my other arm through the instrument pod hole up to my elbow working the
nut driver.  You need a 1/4 inch hex socket to fit the screws, btw.  Skinny
arms&fingers, patience, and a high tolerance for scrapes are big assets for
this job. (so what else is new, right? :)

If the ground connection is good the switch is the problem.

BTW the motor may not neccesarily be shot.  You may be able to pull it apart
and clean it up and get it to work again.  Water will rust a DC motor, but
other than that it won't  hurt it unless you turn it on while it's still
wet.  Dissasembling and cleaning the bearings, commutator, & brushes may be
worth a shot if you're  poor this week and you have the time.

>6) Interior lights don't always come on when the headlight swich is pulled
>on. If I jiggle the knob, they will sometimes kick in, but it's not
>consistent. Might a shot of electrical cleaner into the switch (once I
>remove the knob and shaft), suitably worked in there, clean this up?

The instrument lights are bad?  Sounds like a dirty potentiometer.  I've had
good results with volume knobs and such by just twisting the knob back and
forth through it's full sweep many, many times. (say 50 or so)  That will
sometimes scrape the crud off of the contacts and coils so they make
connections again.  I don't know if you can hit the coil and contacts with
electrical cleaner by spraying through the knob hole.  I guess it couldn't
hurt to try.


Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cultass Calais

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:40:38 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer!

Scott Wheeler,
My 4 year old locks our tv on Nick or Disney. My problem is distracting on the
weekends so I can record TNN slots with My Classic Car & Hot Rod TV. That is
when I wish I had cable instead of Directv.

Randy in Edmond, Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:43:08 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: A little humor and off the wall question.

Figured I'd thow in my $.02 about naming cars and such.

The two cultali haven't been named yet.  I haven't had them long enough
really to think of a name that suits either of them.  The `67 Cutlass
Supreme, which I've had for roughly 9 months now is just known as the `67 or
the supreme for right now.  I've gotten suggestions like "Rusty" or "Smoky"
for obvious reasons, and I guess names like "Stinky" "Sticky" "Smelly" or
"Mr Puddles" would fit it just as well. :)  

The `80 Cutlass Calais T-Top, owned since september of this year is just
"The T-Top" 'till I think of something good to call it. 

The `72 Vista Cruiser is known as the "Yellow Submarine."  It picked up that
name at some time back when it was mom's kid hauler.  Suits it very well,
mostly because it's very yellow. :)

As for talking to cars and such, I've been know to.  Especially lately since
the battery in the Yellow Submarine is showing signs of dying for good.  I
find myself repeating this mantra every morning :
"Start....Start....Start...."  :)  Now if it'll just work 'till I get my
next paycheck....

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:33:59 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Possessed Windshield Wipers

Maybe someone here can help me out with this one...


   My wipers stopped working, so I checked everything and then finally realized I blew a fuse.. I replaced the fuse and everything was hunky dory for a few days. Then the wipers would come on for no reason..and then they wouldn't come on when I wanted them to!!


I took all the connectors out and cleaned them up, and I got the ghost out, but I only have 1 speed now - high.. I lost low and my pulse..

This completely mystifies me.. All my books don't describe any way to diagnose the wiper system..


BTW: The washer hasn't worked for 3 years so any ideas on that one would be appreciated too..


Thanks




T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace 
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:38:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: UNS#BSCR%B(NG???

cAN SOMEONE PLAES TELL ME HOW i CAN LEAVE THE LIST WHILE i'M AWAY FOR THE
HOLIDAY.  aND HOW i REJOIN LATER, i FORGOT ALL THAT STUUF.  tHANKS.


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:40:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: gasket info....

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Gary Manton wrote:

> With all this talk about gaskets, I will be replacing all of my gaskets on
> my 394 engine, and the overall consensus is that Mr. Gasket is pretty good.
> Where can I find them, and do the have them for my engine?  If they are not
> available, what else do you recommend?
 
What is this rare 394 engine, and what cars did it come in?

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> G
>           \\|//
>           (o o)                     
> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
> 						(888) 982-4079 - Pager
> 
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:42:41 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: My car on TV again!

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> Ray wrote:
> >
> > of the driving car.  If anyone happened to notice the front end of an 87
> > Cutlass at (I believe) the Denver spot, that was mine!  Next year, I hope
> > for at least a background profile shot!
> 
> Was that yours?  It was a dark color?  I saw a late model (I figured it was
> a 442) parked at a car-show looking event; it was in the middle of the
> Power Tour, it could've been the Denver location...
> _____________________________

You can tell it's mine is it's got the 87's "Euro" front end.  It's
Cadillac Dark Cherry.

> 
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:48:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: re:Where's Bill Reilly?/Car Craft photo

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, deirdre. reilly wrote:

> Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo wrote:
> 
> >I noticed today thatthe "Real Ride" photo in the November Car Craft is an
> >85 Cutlass owned by William Reilly.  Is that the same Bill around here?
> 
> 
> Yeah, That's my ride.  Interesting story behind this also, I went to the
> Rallye 350 meet back in October and was talking to Tom Millard (who's on
> the List also).  He initially told me that my Cutlass was in the mag.  I
> was so exited and was eager to recieve my copy in the mail.  However Car
> Craft had some problems that month getting everything in the mail on time,
> So I never recieved my copy.  I went out and bought one at the local
> newstand and am still waiting to get my copy (should be here next month).
> 
> Needless to say, it's pretty cool to see my ride in a nationally publicated
> magazine.  I've already cut out the picture and laminated it on a nice
> plaque for the wall.  Looks great IMOHO  :)

That is really cool!

> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme (Now Famous??!!)
> '83 Cutlass Ciera
> 
> 
> PS  Ray, Is your Cutlass a dark Maroon?? If it is, I caught a glimpse of it
> on the Hot Rod TV show this past Sunday.
Yeah that was it.  A nice 3 second shot of the front end.  They said that
next year they'd have two show: one about the tour and the other
specifically about my car.  Ha.

> 


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:49:45 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: My car on TV again!

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

> > Hot Rod Magazine TV show played the Power Tour episode again.  I set my
> 
> > of the driving car.  If anyone happened to notice the front end of an 87
> > Cutlass at (I believe) the Denver spot, that was mine!  Next year, I hope
> 
>   (In my ~best~ Tom Anderson impression {Beavis and Butthead character})
> Aaaah, aaah dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit!!!  (Don't
> worry, I'm not throwing golf clubs around!)

Oh, how I'll miss that show.  And they never scored!

> 
> I got to see part of that at work the other day.  Every chance I'd get I
> was glued to the TV.  Nope, another che*y.  Nope, that's not an Olds
> either.  Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope...  Wouldn't you know they bury
> one in there when my head is turned....   Dammit dammit dammit!  Sorry I
> missed it man!
> 
>                Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
> For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
> 		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>     Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
> 		        Sidney Montana
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 02:52:31 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 1/2 Sucked Gobstopper

On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/pics/gobstopper/
> 
> Take a look at these pictures and you will understand the subject of this 
> message.

he he he he he he

> 
> I would like your help in pointing me to pictures of this type of car in a 
> variety of colours....

???  sorry

> 

> Thanx a million...
> 
> EA
> http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:03:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

Hi Robert,

> Now, I'm just wondering whether the Quad4 motors introduce the exhaust gases
> into the intake stream at any point. They have a crossflow head design,

It is possible that they were able to achieve a certain amount of
internal EGR by increasing valve overlap.  Those familiar with the LT4
engine will note the absence of an EGR valve, which was not needed to meet
emissions standards because of the exhaust mixing afforded by the camshaft.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:06:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

> >peg (the perfect Oldsmobile woman) d'oh!
> Hey - I guess that leaves me with the title of "Oldest Oldsmobile woman" - !!!

Heh . . . I'm getting there, having just turned 27 last Friday.  But no
matter what age, all women on this list are perfect Olds women -- no
matter how few of us there are!

8)
peg

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:44:29 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 73 Cutlass

AGUY4RUMLI wrote:
> 
> Hey matt whats up with those parts? Did you start taking that thing apart yet?

Just hold your horses, Joe! We are now making substantial advances on
the restoration and will soon begin tearing the 75 apart. I am not
jerking you around here. As soon as I get your parts off, I'll mail you.

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 05:41:42 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

     Speaking of that, my wife Robin is an Oldsmobile woman! The 66
Toro and the 71 Supreme are HER cars......OK, so the secret is
out...all the cars are not mine! Before she met me her dream car was a
66 Mustang..she's been converted!
     She's a drag racing nut also, having won the 'powder puff'
championship at MIR a few years back, piloting my 72 W30 droptop. Her
3' high trophy overshadowed my ~small~ ones for a while. I did win
Midnight Madness some time later, which resulted in a similar trophy
for me! That final was something to see: 72 W30 droptop against my
buddy's 67 GTX; both cars dialed in the mid-13s :)      
     Ah, waiting for spring weather..........

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John (& Robin) Pajak                 JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme





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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:05:49 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Garage Heating System

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
>         Here's a fairly inexpensive way to heat your garage with wood. Take
> two 55 or 30 gal drums. Make yourself a rack to stack them about 8 inches
> apart (on top of each other) and about 18 inches from the floor. Take a
> piece of stack pipe and run it between the barrels on one end and put a
> small furnace door in the flat of the other end of the lower barrel. Then
> off the top barrel in the middle make your self a small chimney a vent it 90
> degrees to the outside of your garage through the wall. This will heat your
> garage with dry heat. Us a small dampner to control amount of heat you need.
> Insulate the area behind the unit where the sides are near a wall. The only
> problem with this system is you take-up room in your garage to us it. It's
> primitive but effective.
> 
> Jim Chermack

Jim, I have a friend who uses this arrangement to heat his business. 
Only thing different is he uses a fan behind the drums to blow air over
them to increase the effectiveness.  Heats a really large area for the
space and money involved.  He loves it.

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:39:52 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

Maybe I've been thinking wrong.  The perfect woman I know, who hapens to
have all my love, does not own any Oldses. She's got a Pontiac, so that's
almost as cool.  Now if only she ate meat and didn't give me a hard time
about loving my car more than her.  At least she's got a brother with a
big block Camaro (not the most original!).  But her hair is four feet
long, so that's perfect enough for me!!!!

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 10:02 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: Olds History Center

 
> Sorry to bring this up again.  I know it was gone over quite a bit a few
> weeks ago, but to the ones who have actually written to the Olds History
> Center,  Did you send a self address stamped envolope?  Or did they pay the
> postage and send the information themselves?
> 
> Thanks in advanced!!!
> 
> Matt
> 85 442

Matt,

They will pay the postage.  You can call them at (517) 885-1502  
mornings Eastern Time, and you may get what you want without writing 
them.

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:08:20 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center

At 10:28 PM 12/16/1997 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry to bring this up again.  I know it was gone over quite a bit a few
>weeks ago, but to the ones who have actually written to the Olds History
>Center,  Did you send a self address stamped envolope?  Or did they pay the
>postage and send the information themselves?

I've written several times, and I've never included an SASE.  Often they're
going to be sending you a fair amount of stuff, and they'll want to use a
big envelope (9 x 12 or somesuch), so it would be hard for you to predict
how much postage would be needed.  For example, when I've written about any
info they had about my cars, they've sent back copies of dealer literature,
sales figures, suppliers of Oldsmobile restoration parts, and so forth.  If
you want to help them defray the postage cost, why not just send a monetary
donation to the history center?  I'm sure that even $5 would be welcomed.


Dan


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Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
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Date: 17 Dec 1997 10:11:20 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Re: Sad Rad

Kevin,

OL>Having regularly driven cars with both types of heater hose arrangements,
OL>I wouldn't say that the warm-up process is delayed noticeably.  There is
OL>some merit to this design: the transmission cooler will still be
OL>able to function; flow through the radiator core is still effectively
OL>by-passed; thermal shock when the thermostat opens is reduced since the
OL>temperature differential between the engine and radiator coolant will be
OL>less, which makes things easier on cylinder walls and pistons; air is bled
OL>out of the system (engine, heater core) more efficiently.

OL>Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canad

I have also driven both designs.  IMHO the style with the heater hose
returning to the block will provide heat from the heater quicker since
the water is not returned to the radiator for cooling.  In the colder
climate such as yours, it may be too cold to make much of a difference.
As far as shock to the system is concerned, I say to h*ll with it, I
want heat.  You must realize that as I get older, I have less tolerance
for cold weather.  ANY delay in heater output is too long for my taste.
I am beginning to understand why everyone from the north moves south at
retirement.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:16:34 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: gasket info....

The 394 came out in 59-64, and was in virtually all of the v8's.  Mine is a
Dynamic, but Jetstar, Super, Starfire all had the infamous 394.

G


At 02:40 AM 12/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Gary Manton wrote:
>
>> With all this talk about gaskets, I will be replacing all of my gaskets on
>> my 394 engine, and the overall consensus is that Mr. Gasket is pretty good.
>> Where can I find them, and do the have them for my engine?  If they are not
>> available, what else do you recommend?
> 
>What is this rare 394 engine, and what cars did it come in?
>
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> G
>>           \\|//
>>           (o o)                     
>> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
>> Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
>> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
>> 						(888) 982-4079 - Pager
>> 
>> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
>> if you stay in the middle of the road"
>> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> 
>
>Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass 
>
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)                     
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Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
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