
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, January 3 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1039



Re: '69 Convert Quarters
[Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Oldsmobile Web Ring (was: Who has a web site?)
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Re: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help
Other Tranny options...
Just Olds
original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Re: 1966 Oldsmobile Cutlass convertible
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Re: Just Olds
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Re: 30 Fun Things To Do In A Car
Re: Just Olds
Re: Just Olds
UNBOUNCE: Olds Web Ring
Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?
Qtr Panel Controversy
Hi Group
Re: Just Olds
Choosing Qtr. Panels
shop manuals
Re: 1970 W-32?
Re: T. Patrick Sullivan Restoration Guide
Re: '69 Convert Quarters
Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?
unsuscribe
unsubscribe
Parts List
SCXes and stuff
Back from Detroit Swap Meet
Re: 1970 W-32?
Re: Dics Brakes
67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!
Re: 1970 W-32?
Another ?, this time, 442s.
' 72 Console shift cable needed
Re: Just Olds
How do I remove Glovebox lock?
Re: Parts List
Re: 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!
Re: How do I remove Glovebox lock?
Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]
Re: Olds URLS wanted for Web Page
My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:52:26 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Convert Quarters

>In a message dated 98-01-02 09:33:34 EST, you write:
>
><< Eastwood Company >>
>
>I couldn't find a website or listing on the net.
>
>Do you know any info for them?
>
>Have you used their quarters?
>
>Thanks,
>aaron

Eastwood sells tools and suppplies but not parts. Their website is at
www.eastwoodco.com.



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:31:22 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

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Steve,

	I received your e-mail and was very surprised that we have to
air our business publically on the list.  Since you have chosen to reply
to my original e-mail publically, I am going to include my original 
post along with this reply.  (Sorry folks for the bandwidth)

	I am not the only one who has apparently dug himself into a
hole! ;-)  First of all I have had poor luck with your company.  For
starters Brothers has played games with me from July to December of 
last year with regards to my window weatherstrips.  Twice I had to 
send it back.  I was told by Mike that twice these weatherstrips were
lost in the mail.  You finally refunded my credit card only after 
repeated requests!  I am not the one who worked off my money for 6
months!  

	As far as your quarter panel is concerned, the measurements in
your catalog, along with the gauge of the metal were not as specified.
It is not my job to check and see if you sent me the correct part.  I
would assume it would be a part of your quality control.  A customer
should not be held responsible for defective or faulty material sent
to them.  I also could care less what the original OEM parts sold for
and would have paid whatever extra for a correct part.  Money was not
the object.  I resent you stating that I got a low bid to fix my car.
This is far from the truth.  

	As stated in my previous e-mail I sent you, this body man has
been doing GM body work for 35 years at the same place of business.  I
do not appreciate you berating his abilities.  My body man did measure
the panel and that is how he determined that part was not right.  Using
his expertise, he was able to make a marriage of the old part and the
new part which resulting in a higher cost to me which I had not planned
for.  As far as the gauge goes, the replacement panel was smaller than
the original.  It does not take an engineer to be able to determine
this, even though I am one.

	As far as your comment about whining, I think I was very 
patient, polite, and understanding with you and Mike even though I had
repeated problems getting the merchandise I purchased.  It is not my
intention to harm you nor your business, however, since you wish to air
this in an open format, I think it is only fair for potential customers
to be aware of how you do business.  It will definitely be my intention
on Monday to contact GM and let them know of these problems.  If they
have licensed this product then they need to know and be aware of just
how good the product is you are selling.

	Everything I have purchased from you competitor, Year One, has
been to my satisfaction.  Merchandise was sent promptly and arrived
as promised.  You may have to spend a few dollars more for the stuff,
however, the time/letter/phone calls I have had to place with you out-
weighs the extra cost.

	I do not see in your response any apologies from you nor any
good will gestures on the part of Brothers.  I ALSO DO NOT FEEL THAT I
OWE YOUR ANY APOLOGIES OF ANY KIND!

Chris Sparks

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Steve,

	I am once again writing you regarding a problem with a
replacement part I purchased from Brothers Automotive for my 1968 442.
The rear quarter panel that I purchased was not as you advertised it to
be.  From its appearance it looked fine, however, upon installation
it was not fine.  I am currently having the panel installed at an
authorized GM repair facility.  The body man that is doing the repairs
has been there for 35 years and does excellent work.  When he was 
beginning to cut my quarter panel away, he determined that the length
of the new panel was 2" too short in length, 2" too short on the top
(where it folds into the trunk), and 2" too long at the bottom.  Because
of these inaccuracies, it was necessary to cut the new panel and patch
it together with the old metal.  Not only did it have to be patched
together, the advertised guage of the metal was not the same as the
original.  

	In your advertisement it states that the replacement panel rolls
1 - 1&1/2" into the door and trunk jambs.  This is far from the truth. 
I
also read in your advertisement that if I wasn't satisified that I 
could return it at my expense.  I do not think that this is very fair
since it was misrepresented and it cost me twice as much to have a body
man fiddle with this inadequate part.  To compound the issue, the area
of repair will contain a high amount of plastic bondo which was not
what I was anticipating.

	If you are doing award winning restorations with these parts, I
would like to see proof of this!  Furthermore if GM is licensing these
parts then they need to be made aware of the poor quality of these
products.  I noticed that the part was manufactored in Taiwan.

	I am not expecting something for nothing, however, I am
expecting to get what I am paying for and should not have to return
products that are faulty at my expense.  It cost me $81.75 to have it
shipped to me here in California.  If I had to ship both ways 
again then I will be out $245.25 plus the cost of the original panel
of $179.00.  I also should not have to pay for extra body labor charges
resultant from your faulty part.

	Once again I am very displeased with Brothers and would like
to discuss how Brothers can make some form of restitution to me.  If
you have any questions regarding this you can either contact the body
shop or me.  I would like to hear back from you at your earliest 
convenience to discuss this either by phone or e-mail.



Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:06:21 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Dual 4 Barrels/Cross Ram Manifold in a 67 Toronado

     Another member of my car club says that he has a cross ram manifold 
with 2 four barrel carbs that came out of a 67 Toronado. He pulled the 
engine out of the olds and ran it in a chevy for a while, then pulled it out 
and stored it. Is this a 'for real' combination? The guy claims it is a 
factory setup, but a book I have on Toronadoes doesn't list it. He has it 
stored, but is going to check his records to find out if he has written down 
any of the numbers off it. If the engine is ok, what is is worth setup like 
this?

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:54:03 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

>         Everything I have purchased from you competitor, Year One, has
> been to my satisfaction.  Merchandise was sent promptly and arrived
> as promised.  You may have to spend a few dollars more for the stuff,
> however, the time/letter/phone calls I have had to place with you out-
> weighs the extra cost.


Well, Chris, you have just summed up the definition of what "quality"
service is.  It's a shame that more businesses don't do business like
Year One, Fusick's, Everett H., Jim C., etc.  Representing parts and
services truthfully is part of gaining a customer's trust.  There should
be no shame in advertising a part that says, "some trimming and tweaking
necessary".  At least the customer can make informed choices. 
Customer's NEVER are required to owe an apology to a vendor if the
customer doesn't like the product and voices an opinion.  I've worked in
customer service contracts before, and trust me, if you please the
customer more than once, then you are WAY MORE LIKELY to get return
business.  And if there's a mistake, and you make quick retribution, you
also gain trust.  If the service was nominal cost, and Brother's bent
over backwards within reason to rectify the situation, then no one has a
right to complain.  But if they didn't, then you know where not to buy
parts again.  I personally have been satisfied with the parts I've
received from Brother's, but not always the service.  Hey, if people get
mad and say they don't need my business, that's cool.  I've restored my
71 442 before with not ONE single Brother's part.  It can be done. 

And what ever happened to their service improvements.  Never saw a
mention about that anywhere. 

And for anyone in the service industry:  If you don't like dealing with
the customer's requests/problems/complaints, then DON'T show it!  Or,
find another occupation.

2 cent opinion,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:33:44
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile Web Ring (was: Who has a web site?)

At 03:58 PM 1/2/1998 -0800, you wrote:

>Didn't someone start an Olds Web Ring?  I thought I remembered hearing about
>one a while ago.  If so, can someone post the details as to how to get on the
>ring?  If not, we should get one started.  That would be an easy way to
get all
>the sites linked together.

Jason Adcock has started an Oldsmobile web ring.  You can sign up for it at
the URL below.  This URL, and the webring itself, can be accessed at the
bottom of _my_ web page, the URL of which is given in my signature below.
Please sign up!

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/oldsring.html



*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 09:27:51 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

Thanks for posting your gripe with Brother's.
I am getting ready to replace 1/4 panel and trunk pans.

I'll stick with Year One and Fussic ... Great service from those guys.
I'll pay a few extra bucks for the service and customer relations.

I want a company to tell me up-front what I'm getting. Explain it to me. 
Let me decide. If I need tech boost ... offer it. It's my money. If it
ain't right, 
take it back ... guess what folks ... next time I need something, I'll call

you first.  

It's hard enough planning, saving, and spending to restore. The costs
are high, and I do not need to be hassling over service or return credit.

Ken   
1966 442 (90%)
1969 Cutlass S : needs heavy restratn  

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:30:24 -0800
From: "Gary Andresen" <Gary.Andresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help

Love those '50s Oldsmobiles.....I have a '55 Olds 88 2-door Holiday with a
455 in it.

Have a telephone number here for a guy that used to specialize in '49 to '55
Oldsmobiles.
Have had it for a few years, so don't know if it is still good or not, but
good luck.

    209-668-8850 (No name on card, just a picture of a ''49 convertible)

Gary Andresen
Pleasanton, CA
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 8:42 PM
Subject: HI - 50 olds coupe needs help


> HI AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL:
>
>  Just thought I'd pop in to say hello to all and wish everyone a Happy New
>Year.  I'm a new subscriber to the mailing list and have been reading the
>posts for two days now.
>   I have been a mechanic for over 35 years and have been an Olds fan since
my
>teens.  I noticed that most posts are 69-72 Cutlass and 442 (good
machines).
>My current project is a 50 Coupe (88).  After many years of searching I
found
>one 30 miles from my home.  I have retained as much stock appearance as
>possible, but the rust is major (any other car and I would not consider
even
>trying to saving it).  So far the drivetrain I have set up is a 10 to 1 -
455
>bored 40 over, muncie 4 speed etc.
>   Anyone who knows of any  body parts anywhere (hood can not be saved)
rocker
>panels etc., I would love to hear from you.  Any E-Mail will be answered.
>   Also glad to help with any  automotive problems, new or old.
>
>   Wrencher43@aol.com
>

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:46:31 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Other Tranny options...

I have a '64 Dynamic 88 with an automatic transmission, and wondering what
options I have to swap out for the TH### series trannies.  What is involved
with switching it out as well?

THanks,

G
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Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

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if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:08:45 -0600
From: "Samuel E. Johnson, Jr" <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
Subject: Just Olds

We have Carcraft, Hotrod and Popular Hotrodding, Do we have any
MAGAZINES dedicated to just Oldsmobiles? I am tired of reading about
Chevy, Chevy, Chevy all the time! I want to read about Olds!

HELP ME!

Sam Johnson
71 Cutlass S

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:21:59 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?

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I was looking through my Olds info and can't find a solid answer to my =
question;

"What type of battery did a 1971 4-4-2 originally come with from the =
factory?"

My "product selling information" book says that NEW for 1971, side post =
batteries are available on 88s, 98s and Toro models.  So, am I to assume =
that intermediate models still came with the top post style battery, (as =
the 1970 cutlass' did)?

I want to get a repro battery, but need to know the "correct" one.  Year =
One sells a "R-59 Energizer" battery but it states it's for late 1966 =
through 1970 models.=20

Thanks in advance for any help.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:58:34 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

WOW!

THANK YOU for posting your bad experience with "brothers".  Who-in-the-hell
needs to deal with B.S. like that?  I'd much rather spend a few dollars more
and deal with a company that REALLY cares about the customer.  Anyone can
"sell stuff", but it's the quality of the sales and service that separate
the men from the boys.

It's a shame you had to find out the hard way, but now you know.  Good luck
with your car!   Sounds to me like brother's has plenty of customers, so
I'll do them a favor and buy my parts from somewhere else.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:29:20 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 1966 Oldsmobile Cutlass convertible

> I have a 1966 Olds Cutlass to restore, but I am not sure what exactly I
>have........ The VIN is 338676M162014. >


3 = Oldsmobile
3 = F85 standard
8 = F85 Cutlass V-8
67 = 2 door convertible
6 = model year (1966)
M = assembly plant (Lansing MI)
162014 = production number

I need the "body plate" information to tell you more.  (Located on the upper
left cowl under the hood.)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:50:00 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

Boy, no kidding....my Brothers catalog went out to the recycling bin as soon 
as I read that thread, particularly a vendor asking a customer for an 
apology?!!!!  I'm looking at spending several thousand dollars in parts this 
year.....Fusick and Year One, among others, thank you for your concern for 
your customers, Steve.

>WOW!
>
>THANK YOU for posting your bad experience with "brothers".  Who-in-the-hell
>needs to deal with B.S. like that?  I'd much rather spend a few dollars more
>and deal with a company that REALLY cares about the customer.  Anyone can
>"sell stuff", but it's the quality of the sales and service that separate
>the men from the boys.
>
>It's a shame you had to find out the hard way, but now you know.  Good luck
>with your car!   Sounds to me like brother's has plenty of customers, so
>I'll do them a favor and buy my parts from somewhere else.
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
>1995 Achieva S
>
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/
>
>
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:10:15 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Just Olds

> From: Samuel E. Johnson, Jr <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Just Olds
> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 11:08 AM
> 
> We have Carcraft, Hotrod and Popular Hotrodding, Do we have any
> MAGAZINES dedicated to just Oldsmobiles? I am tired of reading about
> Chevy, Chevy, Chevy all the time! I want to read about Olds!

> Sam Johnson
> 71 Cutlass S

 Sam

There use to be a book called B.O.P, which stood for Buick - Olds - Pontiac
This book was available just a few years ago and personally I found it to
be quite refreshing ( NO CHEVIES).  Last I heard one of the big chevy
magazines bought it.
Now I don't know what it is called today, but I have seen it since the new
owners took over.
They still have Olds cars frequently but now chevy is the prominent car.

Perhaps the next company to take on a book featuring B.O.P cars they will
get enough subscriptions to continue without the support of the chevy head.

And yes why it was out I had my subscription - what Oldsmobiler won't
appreciate such an effort by a magazine.

Robert Schinkel
1970 W- 31 4 gear

can you tell I miss my B.O.P.?

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:53:21 -0500 (EST)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

There was a thread like this on the VW type2 list (VW Bus list that I
monitor for my other son).

There was one vendor who frequently missed delivery dates, after charging
the customer's card on the day of the order, tooks months to refund on
returned merchandise, was slow to respond to customer complaint calls,
email, or faxes, and on and on. 

He just didn't get it!  He was advertising in all the right places,
responding to queries on the list, and even shipping some quality stuff.

I think the problem with his operation is that it is not run by the
owner, didn't have enough qualified people to take care of daily
operations, and, apparently, no good-business policy to follow.

On both the Olds list and the Type2 list, there are many more posts
with referrals to vendors than there are posts about shoddy treatment.
I think customers are generally patient.  This thread started after a
6-month problem got to be too much for the customer.  

On the Type2 list there have numerous posts about how vendors have gone
the extra distance to find hard-to-get parts or to refer to other vendors,
who have quality parts at reasonable prices, ship when promised, and
charge when shipped.  In addition, they post to the list when there is a
problem - e.g., UPS strike, computer system bites the dust, supplier
discontinues product, etc.

To all vendors who monitor and/or participate in this list:  

Establish and enforce a policy of good merchandise, fairly represented, at
reasonable prices, and treat your customers as if your busines depends on
them, becuase it does.  

We are crazy about our cars, and, if you treat us fairly, we will beat a
virtual path to your virtual door.

My two cents.

Don Sugarman


sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:31:34 EST
From: J8342 <J8342@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 30 Fun Things To Do In A Car

This one's better.........

Top Ten Fun Things To Do In A Car

10. Sing without having the radio on.
              
9. Wave at people often. If they wave back, offer an angry 
look and an obscene gesture.

8. Hang numerous car-fresheners in the rear-view mirror. Talk
to them, stroking them lovingly.

7. Ask people for Grey Poupon.

6. Have conversations, looking periodically at the passenger
seat, when driving alone.

5. Look behind you frequently, with a very paranoid look.

4. At stop lights, eye the person in the next car suspiciously.
With a look of fear, lock your doors.

3. While stopped at a light, piss out the window/sunroof onto
other cars.

2. Write the words "Help me" on your back window in red paint.
The more it looks like blood, the better.

And the number one fun thing to do when in a car is.........

1. Lob burning things in the windows of smokers who throw 
their butts out the window.

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:53:55 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Just Olds

I too used to read B.O.P. magazine when ever I could find one.  Haven't
seen one for approx two years.  I guess I should have subscribed.  The
publication seems to have disappeared off magazine racks.  There is a
big void of reading material for Olds guy's.  Does anyone know what
happened to B.O.P. or what its called now?

Wayne Schwartz 

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> > From: Samuel E. Johnson, Jr <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
> > To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Subject: Just Olds
> > Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 11:08 AM
> >
> > We have Carcraft, Hotrod and Popular Hotrodding, Do we have any
> > MAGAZINES dedicated to just Oldsmobiles? I am tired of reading about
> > Chevy, Chevy, Chevy all the time! I want to read about Olds!
> 
> > Sam Johnson
> > 71 Cutlass S
> 
>  Sam
> 
> There use to be a book called B.O.P, which stood for Buick - Olds - Pontiac
> This book was available just a few years ago and personally I found it to
> be quite refreshing ( NO CHEVIES).  Last I heard one of the big chevy
> magazines bought it.
> Now I don't know what it is called today, but I have seen it since the new
> owners took over.
> They still have Olds cars frequently but now chevy is the prominent car.
> 
> Perhaps the next company to take on a book featuring B.O.P cars they will
> get enough subscriptions to continue without the support of the chevy head.
> 
> And yes why it was out I had my subscription - what Oldsmobiler won't
> appreciate such an effort by a magazine.
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> 1970 W- 31 4 gear
> 
> can you tell I miss my B.O.P.?

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:16:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Just Olds

On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Wayne Schwartz wrote:
> I too used to read B.O.P. magazine when ever I could find one.  Haven't
> seen one for approx two years.  I guess I should have subscribed.  The
> publication seems to have disappeared off magazine racks.  There is a
> big void of reading material for Olds guy's.  Does anyone know what
> happened to B.O.P. or what its called now?

I saw something called "GM Collector's Guide" or something like it that I 
think is the latest incarnation of the old BOP magazine. Had Ch*vys in 
it, I didn't buy it. ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:18:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Olds Web Ring

Majordummy bounced this; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile Web Ring (was: Who has a web site?)

Jason Adcock has started an Oldsmobile web ring.  You can s*gn up for it at
the URL below.  This URL, and the webring itself, can be accessed at the
bottom of _my_ web page, the URL of which is given in my signature below.
Please sign up!

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/oldsring.html



*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:29:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?

On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, RC Hellebuyck wrote:
> I want to get a repro battery, but need to know the "correct" one.  Year =
> One sells a "R-59 Energizer" battery but it states it's for late 1966 =
> through 1970 models.=20

My pal Brian has a repro battery for his '71 SX. I think it's the R-59 
Energizer. It looks like the ones I remember seeing in GM cars when I was 
a kid. It's 12 inches long and has the 6 removable caps, one of which is 
the Delco eye.

He had it for a few years and recently removed it in favor of a modern 
maintenance free one. The reason: acid kept leaking out of the caps and 
eventually ruined the tray and lower shroud. The caps on his didn't seem 
to fit very well; don't know if all of the repros have the same problem.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:30:31 -0600
From: Kurt Bonifay <kbonifay@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Qtr Panel Controversy

Wow,
After a fun filled evening of bench racing and exploring the true
meaning of the pursuit of happiness, I was shocked to find Steve Kenny's
response.  After 10 yrs in the restraunt biz, I have had to bite my
tounge on several occasions when I thought I was right because I always
knew the customer was right,regardless.  I don't know how many people
suscribe to this list since I am sure that a good number enjoy reading
only, but it seems that Steve Kenny has lost a good bit of business by
making his comments to Chris public.  I myself will hesitate before
ordering from Brother's Automotive.  Public Relations lessons should be
in order.  I suppose I'll get off my soap box now, thanks for hearing me
out.

Rhett
68 442 conv

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:32:04 EST
From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
Subject: Hi Group

As fairly new to the group wanted to just say how pleased I have been with the
list. I am starting to get some response to my posts about early Olds (49-50)
Please keep it coming!
Thanks
Mike Montana
(Wrencher43@aol.com) 

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:38:39 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Just Olds

> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Just Olds
> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 2:16 PM
> 

Does anyone know what
> > happened to B.O.P. or what its called now?
> 
> I saw something called "GM Collector's Guide" or something like it that I

> think is the latest incarnation of the old BOP magazine. Had Ch*vys in 
> it, I didn't buy it. ;-)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> 
Your right Greg "GM Collector's Guide" thats the name I found some copies
with that name on it 

Bob

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:40:33 -0600
From: Kurt Bonifay <kbonifay@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Choosing Qtr. Panels

Aaron,

I'm not sure if the two parts are the same.  I know the price difference
was significant, so I'm assuming that maybe the Year One part may be of
higher quality.  Atlanta, which is where Year One is located, is only 5
hours away from me.  I should be making the trip within the next few
weeks and will keep all who are interested informed of my findings. 

Rhett
68 442 conv

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:15:22 -0500
From: Jim Hurd <jhurd@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: shop manuals

Hi everyone,

        Woohoo!  I just bought a 87 Cutlass Salon and would like to know
where I can get a set of shop manuals for it, and an approximate cost?  I
have a Haynes manual that covers '74-'88, and was good for my '79 cutlass
260, but doesn't seem to be to cover the '81's and up very good.  Does
Chilton offer a better manual?




Jim H.
87 Salon

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:50:52 -0500
From: "Kurt Shubert" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?

Actually, the W-32 (in '70) was an option *on* the SX which upgraded the 
standard 2-bbl 455 to the 4-bbl 442 engine.

Kurt    wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

> From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?
> Date: Thursday, January 01, 1998 12:05 PM
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Olds retaffed the W-32 in 1970 as the Cultass SX option. Due to insurance
> companies getting after the sports performance models with higher
> premiums. Olds decided to offer the (455) in the Cutlass Supreme body
which you
> could order with a 2 bbl and open diff. as a turnpike crusier or could
opt for
> a higher out put motor rated just under the 442. Only difference btwn the
> 442 and SX was the suspension and some motor internals ie; cam/springs
water
> pump. SX all had duals with cut out rear bumper and could also be ordered
with the ram air hood.
> I read an orticle that Olds was going after the market that was same as
Pontiac
> with thier Grand Prix SJ / and the F*rd guys with their intermediate line
> of semi luxury line with big motors. Without the "W" tag to this model it
wasn't as apparent to the          > insurance companies that this was
actually a 442 in disguise. I don't thave the figures on the SX but that is
> what you want to inquire. W-32 was a designated option only in 1969.
> 
> Rgds,
> Rob Thomas
> 69 442 

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:50:44 -0500
From: "Kurt Shubert" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: T. Patrick Sullivan Restoration Guide

You're right, Chris.  Though generally a very good book, it's full of 
errors.  My favorite is the '67 motor shown (with a late '67 air cleaner)
on page 40 describing a "3560 hp engine" as "awesome" Guess so!  I've seen
the '67 442 with the '68 side marker lights before.  It belongs to
Elizabeth Shaudys here in Ohio.  The Shaudys own some *very* nice Olds.
I'll ask her for the story behind the side markers.  None the less, the
pictures shouldn't be in there as they are misleading.  Alot of the
pictures are newer and should be identified as such.  A FAQ with errata is
a good idea. 

Kurt    wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: got for xmas
> Date: Monday, December 29, 1997 7:38 PM
> Is the Restoration guide the common T. Patrick Sulivan book with the
yellow '70
> W30 on the cover? If so, we should start a FAQ section listing the errata
in
> that book... I swear, every page has 1-3 errors. Like the '67 442 shown
on
> pages 39-40. Photos taken in the '80's? show side marker lights. That's
funny,
> because '67's did not HAVE side marker lights. Fine, if the owner wants
to add
> them, but in a RESTORATION GUIDE it ought be pointed out that that is not
> correct; it's an addition that the owner made. [very sell, I might add,
looks
> like '68 markers!]

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:05:18 EST
From: ANTIQ OLDS <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Convert Quarters

In a message dated 98-01-02 19:26:43 EST, you write:

<< 
 I couldn't find a website or listing on the net.
 
 Do you know any info for them?
 
 Have you used their quarters?
  >>
  Eastwoods website    www.eastwoodco.com

   Eastwood does not sell quarter panels or even sell parts they sell  "Unique
Products & Innovative Solutions" as their catalog  states


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:42:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: original battery for a 1971 4-4-2?

On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> My pal Brian has a repro battery for his '71 SX. I think it's the R-59 
> Energizer.

Correction; I was just talking to him and he tells me it's a R-71. Cars
with 350s got the R-59. He also says it's listed correctly in the owner's
manual for that year. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:44:23 -0700
From: Terrance Rohner <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: unsuscribe

unsuscribe

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:45:31 -0700
From: Terrance Rohner <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:58:37 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts List

PLEASE 
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1967
400 - 425 Cylinder heads Casting B            $150

1968

Wheel well chrome                                      $20 ea
Front side markers                                       $15 ea
Rear side markers                                       $15 ea
Hood Hinges                                                $35
442 Air cleaner                                             $75
3 speed console (standard shift) looks like a 4 speed console       $275
C casting heads  (complete)                         $175
68 Front Good Core Straight                        $100
Ashtray Door                                               $10
Automatic console vgc.                               $75
Convertible top cylinders                              $45 ea.
Convertible top pump                                    $75
Rear Sway Bar                                              $45
Rear defroster switch                                    $25
Motor mount heat shield                               $8
Conv. Top latches                                           $40.pr
Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome and       $60.pr.
Convertible Trunk Lid Rust Free Dent Free       $250
Reverse light lens good condition                     $10

1969

442 Grills exc.                         $190
AM radio with knob and mounting plate                $40
Cutlass Grills                           $90
SSI's   code JK 14x6 set of 4   $100
Wiper switch                            $40
Radio plate (uncut)                   $20
Power Top switch & wiring       $45
Rear defroster Switch & wiring  $25
Plastic headlight frames            $75
Cutlass Conv. Trunk lid             $150
Dash pad (gold)                        $90
T handle  (that opens hood)      $10
Ashtray Doors                           $10
Automatic Console vgc.            $75
Convertible top cylinders           $45
Convertible top pump                $75
Hood Hinges                             $35
Rear Sway Bar                          $45
442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.                 $15
Motor mount heat shield             $8
Conv. Top latches                      $40.pr
Front Bumper core quality only   $75
Body Chrome (fenders doors and below side window)  set    $60
1968-69 C Castings 400 or 455 heads    $175

1970

Tail light lens (Cutlass)            $15 ea
Tail light lens (Supreme)         $18 ea
Nos fender script "Cutlass"      $30 ea
Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)      $20 ea
Nos 442 emblem sets (both sides, front tooth and trunk lid)          $225 
F85 fender script                     $30 pr.
Rear side marker lights            $15 ea
Rear Sway Bar                             $45
1" 1/8 front sway bar (heavy duty) $60
T handle  (that opens hood)                $10
70 442 bumper  core                     $150
Rear Sway Bar                               $45
Ashtray Doors                                $10
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges)                           $20
70-72 Cutlass wagon dash pad  Black                                        
  $150
Convertible top cylinders                $45
Hood Hinges                                  $35
Convertible top pump                     $75
Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions  $15
Motor mount heat shield                 $8
Conv. Top latches                          $40.pr
Conv. Visors w/mirror pad BUT no mirror  Black           $50.pr.
455 heads E casting                       $150

1971 & 1972

Nos headlight frames(plastic)         $75 pr.
Front bumper directional lens         $10 ea.
Tail light lens                                 $12 ea.
Power bench seat                          $100
Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E"          $30
Dash pad complete with lower plastic  (Black) Vgc.        $140
Dash pad complete with lower plastic	  (Blue)   gc.          $125
Dash pad complete with lower plastic	  (Green) gc.         $125
442 Grills good condition (with emblems)                       $200
Auto Console (Tan)                                                       
$90
Auto Console (Brown)                                                    $90
71 front bumper usable and straight                                $125
71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c                                         $100
T handle  (that opens hood)                                            $10
Ashtray Doors                                                              
 $10
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges)            $10
71-72 sport mirrors w/brackets                                        $75
70-72 Cutlass wagon dash   pad  Black                           $150
Convertible top cylinders                                                
$45
Convertible top pump                                                     
$75
Hood Hinges                                                                
 $35
Rear Sway Bar                                                              
$45
Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions                                   $15
Motor mount heat shield                                                 $8
Conv. Top latches                                                         
$40.pr
Seat belt shoulder harness,   plastic hangers                   $15.pr.
Conv. Visors w/mirror pad BUT no mirror  Black             $50.pr.
1971 Cylinder heads Casting G                                      $150
1972 Cylinder heads Casting GA                                    $150


Shipping is extra 

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
905-357-4454

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:02:29 -0500
From: marranca@mhv.net
Subject: SCXes and stuff

Hi everyone,

I don't get to check this email account that often, but its great to read 
through the comments. I am considering modifications to my SCX, and its 
great to read about your experiences.

One thing I was curious about is the head gasket situation... My '92 SCX 
has 46K on it and noticeable moisture from the exhaust... I haven't 
noticed any performance loss, but I too sometimes find quite a bit of 
foam on the dipstick. My Quad also burns some oil (Mobil 
1) ocassionally... It will be fine for 2000 miles, then all of a sudden 
it will burn half a quart over 20 miles or so... Have any of you seen 
this before? Could it be the oil/air separator? 

Oh, by the way... The address <abjt@maristb.marist.edu> is also me... you 
can drop it from the list, as I've been recieving two copies of all the 
emails... Thanks!
..joe

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:20:52 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Back from Detroit Swap Meet

HUGE!! I saw an Intake for a 400-455, #5 heads (damn! Just when I had
settled for #6's) $80, 8.5" 3.73 gears $125, 8.5" posi $175.

Didn't even make it through the whole thing. My friend had to work so we
left at 3.
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft© Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:21:46 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?

In a message dated 98-01-03 16:11:45 EST, you write:

<< Actually, the W-32 (in '70) was an option *on* the SX which upgraded the 
 standard 2-bbl 455 to the 4-bbl 442 engine.
  >>
Thats incorrect Kurt. The 70 SX W-32 option was only a 455 upgrade.  I myself
owned a 70 SX with 455 2bbl and it was original.  The options that came
standard with the 70 SX are as follow

Bumper with cutouts, special emblems SX, wheels discs chrome,exhaust system
full dual with straight through mufflers,resontors,tailpipes and Th400 (M40)
required
455 engine horsepower   320 @ 4200 rpm
torque    500 @ 2400
compression of 10.25
carburator barrels  (no.) 2 
fuel recommended   premium


That my friend is what comes with the SX option for 1970

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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 05:23:39 -0500
From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Subject: Re: Dics Brakes

At 11:26 AM 1/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
>A friend of mine gave me a set of disc brakes for mt 69 442.  He first
>told me they where off a 80's trams am, but now he thinks there from a
>72 GTO.  Is there a way of determining what these brakes came off of,
>maybe a part #. Thanks.

    I don't know the part numbers, but a quick sanity check is to see if 
the spindle is one or two piece.   68-72 A-body spindles have the steering
arm bolted to the spindle; the later ones are a one piece casting.

- --> Bob

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:05:41 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!

I'm forwarding this because many will probably not see it at all, 

> 
> >      Another member of my car club says that he has a cross ram manifold
> > with 2 four barrel carbs that came out of a 67 Toronado. He pulled the
> > engine out of the olds and ran it in a chevy for a while, then pulled it out
> > and stored it. Is this a 'for real' combination? The guy claims it is a
> > factory setup, but a book I have on Toronadoes doesn't list it. He has it
> > stored, but is going to check his records to find out if he has written down
> > any of the numbers off it. If the engine is ok, what is is worth setup like
> > this?
> > 

Anybody heard of this?  I'm quite curious.  Also, is my browser the only
one to see posts with no sender, recipient, or subject do to errors
somewhere along the line???  I'm pasting exactly what mine shows on the
off chance someone can correct the problem...  Brian Kerr sent ~this~
one, but there's been a couple others do the same thing.  Any clues???


 	********** BIG APOLOGIES TO DIGEST MEMBERS FOR THE FOLLOWING
**********

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		******  Sorry again for including all that extra crap! ******


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
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		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:25:38 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-32?

In a message dated 98-01-03 17:34:33 EST, you write:

<< In a message dated 98-01-03 16:11:45 EST, you write:
 
 << Actually, the W-32 (in '70) was an option *on* the SX which upgraded the 
  standard 2-bbl 455 to the 4-bbl 442 engine.
   >>
 Thats incorrect Kurt. The 70 SX W-32 option was only a 455 upgrade.  I myself
 owned a 70 SX with 455 2bbl and it was original.  The options that came
 standard with the 70 SX are as follow
 
 Bumper with cutouts, special emblems SX, wheels discs chrome,exhaust system
 full dual with straight through mufflers,resontors,tailpipes and Th400 (M40)
 required
 455 engine horsepower   320 @ 4200 rpm
 torque    500 @ 2400
 compression of 10.25
 carburator barrels  (no.) 2 
 fuel recommended   premium
 
 
 That my friend is what comes with the SX option for 1970
 
  >>
I forgot to put my signature file on this

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
wmachines@aol.com

list of cars    two 72 442 W-30s   X in the Vin code
                    90 Quad 442   (W-40) option
                     94 Cutlass Supreme 4dr
                     71 Cutlass Supreme work car

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:42:19 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Another ?, this time, 442s.

Did 80's Hurst and 442 have a different air cleaner unit than the single
snout Supremes, and Salons??  Maybe a dual snout???  

If they did, were they functional on both sides of the cleaner???

Does anyone have one they'd part with? No J/Y around here's got a 442 or
a Hurst for me to scrounge it from.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:44:56 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: ' 72 Console shift cable needed

Need console shift cable for ' 72 Cutlass 350. Coter pins needed if you
have them


1 other part
Under the dash, there is a part (boot?) that connects to the heater hose
(pushes air) that leads to the vents. I need the part that connects the
hose to the vent on the firewall. 

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:13:11 -0500
From: "Kurt Shubert" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Just Olds

B.O.P. got bought out & went down the tubes.  I *had* a subscription!  I
believe GM Collector's guide lasted only 2-3 issues.
Best left is Musclecar Review (now celebrating it's 20th year).

Kurt    wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Just Olds
> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 1:53 PM
> 
> I too used to read B.O.P. magazine when ever I could find one.  Haven't
> seen one for approx two years.  I guess I should have subscribed.  The
> publication seems to have disappeared off magazine racks.  There is a
> big void of reading material for Olds guy's.  Does anyone know what
> happened to B.O.P. or what its called now?
> 
> Wayne Schwartz 
> 
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Samuel E. Johnson, Jr <cutlass403@ameritech.net>
> > > To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > > Subject: Just Olds
> > > Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 11:08 AM
> > >
> > > We have Carcraft, Hotrod and Popular Hotrodding, Do we have any
> > > MAGAZINES dedicated to just Oldsmobiles? I am tired of reading about
> > > Chevy, Chevy, Chevy all the time! I want to read about Olds!
> > 
> > > Sam Johnson
> > > 71 Cutlass S
> > 
> >  Sam
> > 
> > There use to be a book called B.O.P, which stood for Buick - Olds -
Pontiac
> > This book was available just a few years ago and personally I found it
to
> > be quite refreshing ( NO CHEVIES).  Last I heard one of the big chevy
> > magazines bought it.
> > Now I don't know what it is called today, but I have seen it since the
new
> > owners took over.
> > They still have Olds cars frequently but now chevy is the prominent
car.
> > 
> > Perhaps the next company to take on a book featuring B.O.P cars they
will
> > get enough subscriptions to continue without the support of the chevy
head.
> > 
> > And yes why it was out I had my subscription - what Oldsmobiler won't
> > appreciate such an effort by a magazine.
> > 
> > Robert Schinkel
> > 1970 W- 31 4 gear
> > 
> > can you tell I miss my B.O.P.?

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:33:48 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: How do I remove Glovebox lock?

I have a 1971 glovebox door and can't get the lock out of it. How do I do it?
Does it twist off?

Jim

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 18:51:21 -0600
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: Re: Parts List

Robert,

	Please e-mail me 

			John in texas

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:22:51 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 6:14 PM
Subject: 67 Toro Cross Ram, and Mail corrections needed!


<snip>
>Also, is my browser the only
>one to see posts with no sender, recipient, or subject do to errors
>somewhere along the line???  I'm pasting exactly what mine shows on
the
>off chance someone can correct the problem...  Brian Kerr sent ~this~
>one, but there's been a couple others do the same thing.  Any
clues???

Saw it the first time with no problems. My browser is IE4. How did you
know that others didn't see it?
Does this happen often? What are the conditions? Just curious?

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:26:05 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: How do I remove Glovebox lock?

>I have a 1971 glovebox door and can't get the lock out of it. How do I do it?
>Does it twist off?
>
>Jim

If it is like my '69 (which I had apart this afternoon, you have to put it
iin the locked position (with the door open) and remove the cylinder by
depressing the retainer.  You can then use a "BIG" srewdriver or other tool
(I used the handle of a 1/2" cold chisel to unscrew the escutheon.  The
lock case is held from turning with two pins which go into slots in the
door.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:39:32 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Replacement quarter panel]

I couldn't agree more.  There are three principles to running a successful
business: 1)Customer Service  2)Customer Service  3)Customer Service.  Those
who abide by these principles shall be the successful ones.

Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible , 4 speed
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

>>WOW!
>>
>>THANK YOU for posting your bad experience with "brothers".  Who-in-the-hell
>>needs to deal with B.S. like that?  I'd much rather spend a few dollars more
>>and deal with a company that REALLY cares about the customer.  Anyone can
>>"sell stuff", but it's the quality of the sales and service that separate
>>the men from the boys.
>>
>>It's a shame you had to find out the hard way, but now you know.  Good luck
>>with your car!   Sounds to me like brother's has plenty of customers, so
>>I'll do them a favor and buy my parts from somewhere else.
>>
>>RC Hellebuyck
>>1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
>>1995 Achieva S
>>
>>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Mike Evans
>Richland, MI
>evans1@net-link.net
>
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:56:01 -0700
From: "Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Olds URLS wanted for Web Page

Mine's at http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

Fred Orcutt
69 Delta 88
72 Vista Cruiser
Boise, Idaho


- -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Olds URLS wanted for Web Page

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:08:34 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: My '78 Olds Cutlass (Long)

I have a '78 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme W-19.  I'm not entirely sure what
the W-19 means, because it came with a 260 c.i.d. engine.  Now it has what
I am told is a 350, probably from 1977.  I am trying to ID the engine.  It
came with single exhaust, but someone made it into a dual exhaust using the
same exhaust manifolds.  They cut off and crimped the pipe that connects
the left and right manifolds, and ran a pipe back from each.  Whoever did
this did a poor job, because it leaks.  I bought a brand-new set of headers
from a guy who owned the car before selling it to the guy who sold it to
me.  I'm not sure what kind of transmission it has (well, its an
automatic).  The oil pan on the trans. looks like the 350 one, but doesn't
seem to have anything stamped on it, although I didn't look very hard.
Does anyone know if the TH-350 is geared differently than the TH-200?  It
has a shift kit, although it is kind of noisy.  I am told it has been
overhauled, but it still makes rubbing sounds.  It looks like it came with
a console shifter, but now it's on the tree.  When I go from Park to Drive
or Drive to Reverse (or whatever to whatever), the car either jumps up or
falls down, making a BOOM -type sound.  I need to adjust the linkage, does
anyone think that this is the problem?  I just replaced the upper radiator
hose, thermostat, and thermostat housing a few days ago.  The coolant
system works very well now.
It has a 'full flow' air cleaner, (no snorkel).  Does this increase
horsepower at all?  I know it bypasses certain emissions control systems
(PCV, EGR, and I think TVS).  I was considering buying a snorkel, to see if
it runs any smoother.  Right now, if I start it in the cold, it will start
fine, but then take a long time to warm up to the point where I can kick it
down.  (While warming up, it idles from 1500 rpm to 2000 rpm.  This seems a
little high.)  I was planning on replacing my spark plugs, spark plug
wires, distributor cap, rotor, coil, and fuel filter.  I was in a car parts
place in Madison (I live near Madison, Wisconsin) and I saw a set of spark
plug wires for $60.  The box made it sound like they would increase
performance and engine output, but I didn't believe it.  I was curious,
though, because I thought that at least all wires were created equal.  Has
anyone ever used 'high performance wires' or a full flow air cleaner?  I
would appreciate any input that anyone has, even on what the W-19 means.


Bob Newbegin
'78 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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