
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, December 11 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1002



Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: Blue? piston rods
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: Observations From an Olds Fan (Long)
Re: F41 suspension
Re: G-body model
Re: courtesy lights in G-body
Re: Gear oil recommendatin for positraction differential
Re[4]: carb. fix info
Re: 1993 W31 Achieva issues
Re: Danbury Mint
Re: On the road again... (finally!)
(no subject)
FRAMEOFF
NO MORE AIR
Re: Power Tour
Re: Thanks to all.
Re: Interior stuff
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
Re: Power Tour
Re: New England Power Tour 
looking for Dr Warner
Re: Gear oil recommendatin for positraction differential
71 455 f/s
Re: SMOG
Re: Power Tour
Re: wheel grease part 2
69 parts car (fwd)
Re: Tires
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: courtesy lights in G-body
Re: 71 455 f/s
Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator
Re: valve addition
Re: 71 455 f/s
Re: HEI & recurve question
Re: NO MORE AIR
Olds & Youth
Trunk lid SPIL (Re: F41 suspension)
Re: 71 455 f/s
Re: 71 455 f/s
Re: 69 parts car (fwd)
455 build up on budget
455 fit in 1981 Delta
Re: Re[2]: carb. fix info./  for all list!
Re: diff codes (they DO exist)
69 H/O Christmas tree Ornament !
Re: Power Tour
Re: 69 H/O Christmas tree Ornament !
Re: 1993 W31 Achieva issues
Re: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator
Re: 71 455 f/s
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
remove
swap meet
Seat cover
Engine ID
Re[5]: carb. fix info
Re: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator
RE:  NO MORE AIR
RE:  Seat cover
request for g body owners
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:39:30 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

James Thingwold wrote:

> Who knows, maybe once your out of school, older, etc., you'll have the
> means to get that '71 and then you'll always fondly remember *starting out*
> with your '87.

Let's hope that's not directed at me! <G>  My first was a 78 LeSabre
(kinda liked it) but it was one UGLY car...  I actually liked the
Bonnevilles and 88s better...  The Bonn. had a better looking front, and
the 88 had a nice looking tail light setup.  Then a 77 Mustang (I'll
definitely buy another)
 
> Relax, if you like it, that's all that matters.

I know, I know! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:04:43 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Blue? piston rods

Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you mean that the entire rod was made from a blue material, or did it
> have a spot of blue "paint" on it?  In the metal shop, I've used
> methylene blue before, which is used for marking spots on metal.  It's
> not like an "overheated" type of blue, is it?

The whole rod is made of the same stuff, just it looks like it was
painted blue with engine paint before it was put in? Any help?

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:41:40 EST
From: Claypol442 <Claypol442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

PRIMUS  jerry was a racecar driver     Jerry was a racecar driver he says es
I'm number 1 with a bocephus sticker on his 442 he'd light em up just for
fun!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:54:51 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Observations From an Olds Fan (Long)

Paul L. Fikaris wrote:

>(Cutting and snipping) 

> Late bulletin just handed me: upon further review of points two and three, I've determined that I am nuts!

I've always been told you are okay talking to yourself until you start
giving rational answers.  Other than that, what about this makes you
think you are anything but perfectly normal?  I thought all the other
stuff was normal!  <MANY :) >

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:04:07 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

mrada wrote:
 
> Aside from the obvious of finding a build sheet, how could I tell what
> I have (ie UA1, V03, Y67)?
> 
> Chris Sparks

Chris

I was gonna tell you to look at the label under the trunk lid, but I
don't know if they were doing that in '82.  Truthfully I don't even know
if they did it in '85.  I was fortunate that the '85 came with the
window sticker so I didn't have to look real far.  Anyone know when they
started that sticker under the trunk thing?  I know my Dad's '86 Delta
had one.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 17:57:24 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body model

Ray wrote:
> 
> I remember a few months ago someone was asking about models of 80's Cutli.
> I was at the model store the other day doing some X-mas shopping and asked
> the guy there about it.  He said that they existed in the 80's as Nascar
> versions and are no longer available.

It was like an 88 or 89 Cutlass, and it really sucked, IMHO.  I'd
special ordered it sight-unseeen.  Ended up giving it away, never even
started on it.  Really wasn't all that enthused about it at all...

  I did get a killer 87 Grand
> National for my brother though.  

Have that one.  Truly a sweet car.  Came in a package with a ZR1. 
Scavenged some cool parts off of that one, and gave the vette body
away.  (lacking desires, once again...)  Have the mont* carlo of the
same vintage (I think it was given to me, I kept it since it is a
G-body.  Put the ZR1 motor in it.  People looking at it think it's cool,
but it's still a ch*vy...  Needs an Olds in there!  Desperately!

I hate to say it, but that car is way
> cooler than any factory Cutlass of the 80's (when looking at the entire
> package).

OUCH!!!  I wouldn't go ~that~ far, but they were very sweet cars
nonetheless :)
 
- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:03:36 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: courtesy lights in G-body

Ray wrote:
> 
> Here's a question:
> I have a keyless entry system in my 87 that was a hookup to turn the
> courtesy lights on for thirty second (or until the car's started) after
> the doors are unlocked.  How on earth can I get to the hot lead for the
> interior lights.  I've tried taking apart the headlight switch, and found
> the wire back there, but it's not really accesible enough to use.  

Ray, the lights are controlled on the ground side, the hot stays hot
(just like McD's used to boast!)  If you want the ~ultimate~ source,
look straight up from the fuse panel, there's a distribution strip below
the vin tag.  Its got all the connectors there.  The easiest place I've
always tapped into has been behind the glove box.  There should be a two
wire set (one orange, one white) running around back there, best found
by following the floor courtesy light down there.  The orange is hot,
constant, changing ~only~ upon battery removal or fuse fault.  The white
grounds by the door switches and headlight switch.  This is the lead to
tap into for them.  You'll need to make sure the keyless entry system
activates by ~grounding~ or you'll be blowing fuses.  Many have
switchable options for that sort of thing.  Good luck.

- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:16:30 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Gear oil recommendatin for positraction differential

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about people's experiences with positraction differential
> gear lubes. Where do you buy the positraction additive, a GM dealer only?
> In addition, the factory recommendation is for 90W; would 80-90W be an
> acceptable alternative.

I last had my positraction unit serviced in '92.  Naturally the invoice
only says "lube".  There's also a note that I had additive in the glove
box, but I don't remember where it came from!  Aren't you glad I keep
detailed records???

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 97 17:25:30 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: Re[4]: carb. fix info

**** Joe Padavano said...
     If you are referring to the carb diagnosis chart in the service 
     manual, the way I read it, they are referring to a plugged filter 
     causing the fuel to bypass the filter itself.  If you've ever taken 
     the factory filter out of the carb, you will notice that there is a 
     spring behind it pushing the filter up against its retention nut.  The 
     purpose of this spring is twofold - one to hold the filter in place, 
     and two to allow the filter to move back in the case of a plugged 
     filter, thus acting as a bypass valve.  I believe it is this latter 
     case which can cause the flooding referred to in the manual.  
**** 

You sure about that Joe?  When I put a junkyard Qjet on my Cutlass, it would cut
out under full load because the fuel filter was plugged. (yeah dumb, I know!) I
don't think that spring is supposed to act as a bypass relief for the filter. 
At least it didn't for me.

The previous Qjet had had the threads on the filter housing stripped.  I removed
the filter (and spring), JB Welded the housing in, and put in an in-line filter. 
Worked great for years.

Seems like at idle, the fuel flow thru the filter is negligable so the pressure
drop is negigable.  Seems real unlikely that they would count on fuel filter
pressure drop to make the float/needle assembly work right.

On a related note.  I once got a new fuel pump that put out about 20 psi rather
than the required 6.   Rebuilt the carb twice trying to stop the flooding before
I figured it out.  Doh!!!!

Hans

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:21:36 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 1993 W31 Achieva issues

Jon Graham wrote:
> 
> I've got a '93 Achieva SCX with the H.O. Quad 4 that I am doing a head gasket on at 77,000 miles.  The vehicle has been meticulously maintained by me since new, so I'm wondering if this is a common problem with the Quad 4.

Consider yourself fortunate that it lasted THAT long.  Headgasket
problems are a natural part of this motor.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 19:48:38 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Danbury Mint

Tom,

Call 1-800-282-9412 8AM-12 midnight EST 7 days per week.  They have a nice
catalog if needed.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Last week someone posted about the 55 olds conv. available from Danbury
>Mint.  I looked up the suggested review by Ken Ryan.  It looks like a
>great toy; maybe the only way I can afford a 50's conv.  How can I
>contact Danbury Mint about this model?
>Thanks, Tom Adams
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:25:55 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: On the road again... (finally!)

Dr Bob has a parts car w/some of the parts almost working.  I have some of
those - Ain't it grand!

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Well, my SX saga has finally reached its happy ending: I got the car
>registered yesterday morning, and took it on its maiden voyage! Well, it
>was only around the block, and only one thing fell off, but I'd call that a
>success!

>
>Now, the challenge will be to get it through the state inspection. Gotta
>patch some trunk holes before I attempt that, though everything else is in
>very good shape, mechanically-speaking.
>__________________________________________________________
>Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>
>1969 Toronado 455/TH425
>     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
>1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
>1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:20:44 -0500
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:16:32 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: FRAMEOFF

 HELLO AGAIN LIST MEMBERS
                                ANOTHER QUESTION FROM A NOVICE
HAS ANYBODY TAKEN A BODY OFF OF A 1970 RALLYE FRAME  HOW DO YOU DO IT   ANY
SUGGESTIONS
                                                      THANKS
                                                           JIM

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:21:12 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: NO MORE AIR

  HI AGAIN
              IN MY RALLYE THE COMPONENTS OF MY AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM UNDER
THE HOOD ARE GONE    ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE BIG BOX ON THE FIREWALL   WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN I REMOVE THI  WHAT WILL I FIND UNDER THIS     CAN I PUT ANOTHER
COVER ON THIS AND IF SO   WHERE COULD I FIND ONE
                          AS ALWAYS  I APPRECIATE ANY RESPONCE
                                                                              
JIM

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:50:15 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Josh J. Haviland wrote:

> Reply to message from jev114@email.psu.edu of Tue, 09 Dec
> >
> >>Is anyone planning on participating in this years Power Tour.  The Olds
> >>ratio last year was rather low, but of course the "quality not quantity"
> >>idea could defend us.  If anyone is considering it, I highly recommend it.
> >>Just make sure your car is able to cruise at 100MPH for sustained periods
> >>of time through Nevada and other arid states.
> >>
> >i was considering the pocket rocket for this event myself. Maybe i could
> >sneek up and lead the pack. 
> >
> >
> >
>   all I have to say is when and where :) a friend and I are trying to go
> this year, more than likely i'll take my '87 , 350 or not i doubt i'll
> finish restoring my 72 before then please keep me posted
> 
> --
> __/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__             
>   \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......   ISRT@hotmail.com      \/////////
> =================================================================
> 
Last year it started in L.A on the 8th of May and ended on the 18th of May
in Mt. Clemens, MI (near Detroit, appropriately).  There are 10 stops
total, most of which are on I-70 if I remember right.  There's info about
in every edition of Hot Rod.  I'll be checking it out monthly to see
what's up but I imagine it's around the same time.  The best thing is is
that it costs ten dollars, and with that ten dollars you get dinner for
two people every night.  Some good dinners, too.  Sometimes it's just
hamburgers and hot dogs eaten on a lawn, but also sometimes it's a huge
good-food buffet in a big fancy dining hall in a hotel.  And you get a
bunch of stickers and a tape and some other little things.  If you stay in
hotels, plan on dropping a lot of cash.  Last year, me and my buddies just
pitched a tent in the parking lots of the hotels at all the stops.
Economic.


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:53:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thanks to all.

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, James Thingwold wrote:

> >Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
> 
> Oh, I see our little *present* made it over there.  We got 7 inches in one
> day.  How are y'all doing?

It rained four days in the past three weeks!  I feel like I'm back in
Bucks County, PA.  I thought this was a desert, damn it.
> 
> 
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
> 
> '64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
> Cruiser (twin hauler)
> 
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
> 
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
> 
> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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> 
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> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:58:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Interior stuff

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:

> geez, when will year one and the like realize
> there is money in the G-bodies???
> 
Exactly!



Find some old woman who's got a Cutlass with 23000 miles on it.  That's
the only option I could think of.  Or, if I'm ever fortunate enough to get
some buckets for my car, I'll let you have my bench seat.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo 
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:00:02 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:

> Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > 
> > Ray wrote:
> > >
> > > You probably see them smiling because they're laughing at you.  The ladies
> > > I know think any kind of automotive enthusiasm is foolish.  Fools.
> > > Women should not be allowed to own cars or have opinions about them.
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > Uh ohh...
> 

> Maybe Ray meant the women he was talking about and not women in 
> general.  I think Lisa Madsen will have something to say about that!
> 
YES, I MEANT ONLY 98% OF WOMEN.  I'M SURE LISA IS AN EXCEPTION.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:04:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Todd Morris wrote:

> 100MPH, really?  Strikes me as fairly ambitious for muscle cars geared
> generally for quarter mile bursts.  I know my 442 could not cruise at that
> speed for long.  Probably be turning around 4500RPM....
> 
tHE 100 mph drives were actually not all that sustained for most people.
Many of the cars, though, were not drag cars.  There were a lot of older
folks with the old street rods, etc.  Also, many people switched gears for
the drive.  There was a pro-street 7 second Lumina that someone was nuts
enough to drivacross the country.  It was on the cover of Hot Rod a few
months ago.  the car was truly nuts and I don't know how it was legal!

> >Just make sure your car is able to cruise at 100MPH for sustained periods
> >of time through Nevada and other arid states.
> 
> Todd Morris
> 71 442
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:06:38 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: New England Power Tour 

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Rick Copithorne wrote:

> I noticed in this months Hot Rod that they will be doing a Power Tour 
> for us Nor' Eastern Boys/Gals. Is anyone thinking about doing this 
> one or no. It will start in New England and run to Florida. So far my 
> buddies and I are planning on it....That will be 2 Olds.
> 1964 Olds 442 F-85
> Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
> 

HEY!  After the other tour, I'll be in PA for the summer!  When does this
start and when does it come to Philly?  If it's after May 18th and before
Augst 15th or so, there will be at least 3 Oldses there.  Also a big
block powered 67 FORD FALCON.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:07:47 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: looking for Dr Warner

Hey, is Dr. Warner from Hilltown, PA on this?


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:09:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gear oil recommendatin for positraction differential

When I bought diff oil, there were a few different kinds.  One was
specifically for posi trac.  I just figured that was cool.  I got it at a
Napa or Big A or something.

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> I was wondering about people's experiences with positraction differential
> gear lubes. Where do you buy the positraction additive, a GM dealer only?
> In addition, the factory recommendation is for 90W; would 80-90W be an
> acceptable alternative.
> 
> Finally, rumor has it that the synthetic gear lube is superior (Jason L.,
> you use this type, right?). Who makes it, and what grade do you run? I've
> also heard that this lube makes the positraction additive unnecessary?
> 
> This is for my original-style 2.56 posi 12-bolt in the SX. I'm also
> planning on simply using blue RTV for the rear cover; who is it (Joe P.?)
> that has had good luck with this practice? This is assuming that the
> original-style 12-bolt O-type cover gaskets are not available through the
> regular parts stores.
> __________________________________________________________
> Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> 
> 1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
>      See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
> 1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400
> 
> 
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:13:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 71 455 f/s

Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?

Forwarded message:
> From RPayne9620@aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:22:10 1997
> Subject: olds 455
>
> i have a 71 olds i have a 455 in it good body  motor fare one ring stuck and 2
> doors for parts and more  have new carb. eilder 1407 750 pro   1000$ call me
> at
> [502]264-1993 marc payne

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:11:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: SMOG

You've probably already seen this, but Car Craft from maybe three or four
months ago had a highly informative multipage article on it.  That's all I
know of.  They also probably had some sources for info listed.  I'll dig
out the magazine if you need any info from it.

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Brad Bowles wrote:

> Finals are nearing and I have chosen to do my reasearch essay on
> Americas smog laws.   I would appreciate any help, info, statistics or
> opinions you can give me.  Any web sites related to my topic would be
> helpful.  The essay will include the who, what and why of the smog laws,
> but I am coming up short on info.  The smog control devices in my essay
> are limited to cars, no need to talk about factories here.
> Prompts :
> Do you feel that we are correctly eliminating smog by targeting cars?
> Do you feel that the emissions control devices really work?
> Are there other alternitives to control smog that are not being used
> that could be more effective?
> Are the amount of cars in the US really necessary?  why or why not?
> 
> 
> Any other info, aspects, etc.  would really be appreciated!
> Thanks
> Brad
> 70 442
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:13:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Mark Cornea wrote:


  [NON-Text Body part not included]

What will you be driving? 
Kansas was the longest part of the drive for me.  Of course it had
something to do with our driving solo across the state, because everyone
else was driving while we were putting in a new water pump at in a truck
stop parking lot.  Lots of surnburnt heads resulted.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:22:08 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: wheel grease part 2

Darren King wrote:
> 
> Being lazy, do I have to clean and re-grease both bearings or
> can I just shove  a glop in.  > 


Oh for God sake man!  If you think repacking wheel bearings is alot of
work...try replacing the spindle!  Why do such a simple job half-ass? 
If you really are that lazy, do yourself and your CAR a favor and have
someone do the bearings for you.  (still cheaper than buying a new
spindle)

You made me feel better though, I thought I was the laziest person on
this list!  :)

- -- 
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:20:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 69 parts car (fwd)

Again, dunno where [330] is, near you?

Forwarded message:
> From: CMD1962 <CMD1962@aol.com>
> Subject: 69 parts car
>
> Have 1969 cutlass for parts, lots of pieces, frame, body, fenders, doors,
> hoods, deck lids, front suspension, rear end.  Car is mostly together with
> clear title
> 330-882-6966 call between 6-9 ask for dave.   Thanks!!
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:19:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tires

Hey J,
I had 235 60 15's on my 81 on a set of the SSII wheels(?) (is that what
they're called when they're 15 inch from a 70's Cutlass, I've always just
called them Olds Rally wheels).  They fit real good.
On my 87, I have the same size, but they're on Centerlines.  Apparently,
the rear tires occasionally rub against the frame on the inside.  I would
guess they'll be cool with the Olds wheels.  I'm trying to trade my
Cenerlines for the Olds wheels with the guy I sold the 81 to.  That would
be ideal.  I've learned from other people here that 255's are possible
with the correct backspacing.


On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> Hi, again, Oldsmofolk.  Sorry for all the q's recently, but I'd like to
> know if anyone here's put 235mm wide tires on a G-Body.  I have the 14x6"
> Chrome SSIII wheels and would like to put on BFGoodrich Radial T/A's, size
> 235/60R14.  Has anyone tried this size before?  Will they fit comfortably? 
> I'll probably get them this weekend, so a quick response would be
> appreciated, but certainly not necessary.  Thanks again for all the help.
> 
> Cheers/Jason
> _____________________________
> 
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> 

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:22:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Claypol442 wrote:

> PRIMUS  jerry was a racecar driver     Jerry was a racecar driver he says es
> I'm number 1 with a bocephus sticker on his 442 he'd light em up just for
> fun!!!!!!!!
> 
YES!


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:23:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Claypol442 wrote:

> PRIMUS  jerry was a racecar driver     Jerry was a racecar driver he says es
> I'm number 1 with a bocephus sticker on his 442 he'd light em up just for
> fun!!!!!!!!
> 

Hey Claypol442!  Is that Claypool as in Les?  Or as we like to say, Les
Playcool.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:25:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: courtesy lights in G-body

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

> Ray wrote:
> > 
> > Here's a question:
> > I have a keyless entry system in my 87 that was a hookup to turn the
> > courtesy lights on for thirty second (or until the car's started) after
> > the doors are unlocked.  How on earth can I get to the hot lead for the
> > interior lights.  I've tried taking apart the headlight switch, and found
> > the wire back there, but it's not really accesible enough to use.  
> 
> Ray, the lights are controlled on the ground side, the hot stays hot
> (just like McD's used to boast!)  If you want the ~ultimate~ source,
> look straight up from the fuse panel, there's a distribution strip below
> the vin tag.  Its got all the connectors there.  The easiest place I've
> always tapped into has been behind the glove box.  There should be a two
> wire set (one orange, one white) running around back there, best found
> by following the floor courtesy light down there.  The orange is hot,
> constant, changing ~only~ upon battery removal or fuse fault.  The white
> grounds by the door switches and headlight switch.  This is the lead to
> tap into for them.  You'll need to make sure the keyless entry system
> activates by ~grounding~ or you'll be blowing fuses.  Many have
> switchable options for that sort of thing.  Good luck.
> 
> -- 
>                Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
> For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
> 		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>     Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
> 		        Sidney Montana
> 

THANK YOU!

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:32:43 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 71 455 f/s

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?

In 'da trusty Yellow Pages, 502 is listed as Frankfort, KY.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:55:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator

Has anyone seen the latest Car Craft?  I haven't yet, but a friend of mine
told me there's some insane Olds Bravada that participated in the Real
Street Eliminator.  I think he said it came in second to a Regal.  Pretty
cool, but I think he also said it's got a Chevy engine.  Oh well.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:01:27 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: valve addition

That's funny i mentioned nothing about area, all i know is that it's
flowing lots more than any 2 valve olds.


>CRuper wrote:
>
>>
>>You've got it.  Lets see the figures...
>>
>>Area of a 1.4 in. valve is: 1.539
>>Area of a 2.8 in. valve is: 6.158
>>
>>So, two 1.4 in. valves would flow 3.078, or just slightly (.001) under 
>>the
>>area of the 2.8 inch size.
>
>
>
>
>          Must be the new math but by my calculations the 1.4" valves
>flow approx. 50% less than the 2.8" which is alot more than .001" 
>
>          E.J.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:16:03 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 455 f/s

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?


The 502 area code is for the western half of Kentucky.  BTW, most phone
books have a national listing of state area codes. (usually found in the
front)

- -- 
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:15:54 -0600
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: HEI & recurve question

hitson@leadbelt.com wrote:
> 
> >
> >Does your car have power brakes?
> 
> Yes
> 
> I experienced this EXACT same condition
> >in my car and came to find out that the brake booster was leaking
> >causing and extreme lean condition. <snipped>
> 
> Thank you :)
> 
> I have suspected some kind of vacuum leak in my power brakes for some time
> but had never associated it in any way with other problems. The reason I had
> suspected brake vacuum problems (the brakes work really well) is a
> persistent hissing sound when pedal pressure applied and some degree of
> pedal fade. I'll follow  that trail some more.
> 
> roger


I think this could be your problem - My car started pinging just kinda
all of the sudden and I played and played and PLAYED with the timing. If
I turned the timing down to where the pinging stopped, the car was a
REAL dog. Start your car, unplug your booster (You will need to bump the
idle up a little) and then plug it back in and see if you here a hissing
sound coming from the booster. I did not feel that there was anything
wrong with my booster either, but let me tell you, after replacing it,
my brakes are night and day smoother.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:18:39 -0600
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: NO MORE AIR

DR OLDS350 wrote:
> 
>   HI AGAIN
>               IN MY RALLYE THE COMPONENTS OF MY AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM UNDER
> THE HOOD ARE GONE    ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE BIG BOX ON THE FIREWALL   WHAT
> HAPPENS WHEN I REMOVE THI  WHAT WILL I FIND UNDER THIS     CAN I PUT ANOTHER
> COVER ON THIS AND IF SO   WHERE COULD I FIND ONE
>                           AS ALWAYS  I APPRECIATE ANY RESPONCE
> 
> JIM


You will find the evaporator inside the box. You will need to get a
cover from a car that originally came equipped with a heater only. It
has to be covered in some form or fashion or outside air will come
pouring into your car. 

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:16:33 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Olds & Youth

Brad Ross wrote:

>  <snip>  I have a 1971 Delta Royale (77,000 miles)
>and a 1971 Delta Custom town sedan (57,290 miles)    <snip>
>I drove the Delta Custom in the motorcade in Lansing, and I show both of my
>cars during the summer.
>By the way, I am 18 years old


Now, who says America's youth is going down the tubes?  :-)

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 00:54:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Trunk lid SPIL (Re: F41 suspension)

Hi Paul,

> window sticker so I didn't have to look real far.  Anyone know when they
> started that sticker under the trunk thing?  I know my Dad's '86 Delta
> had one.

A friend's recently purchased '84 Cutlass Supreme (305 + THM200C which
locks up the converter far too eagerly thanks to a lack of computer
controls) has a Service Parts Identification Label in the trunk.  My '83
Delta 88 Royale Brougham doesn't have this sticker, so I'd guess the
transition to SPIL-equipped trunk lids occurred around this time.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:46:01 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 71 455 f/s

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?
> 
> Forwarded message:
> > From RPayne9620@aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:22:10 1997
> > Subject: olds 455
> >
> > i have a 71 olds i have a 455 in it good body  motor fare one ring stuck and 2
> > doors for parts and more  have new carb. eilder 1407 750 pro   1000$ call me
> > at
> > [502]264-1993 marc payne

502 area code is for the western half of Ky.  Sorry I don't know where
the 264 exchange is.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:53:09 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 71 455 f/s

Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> 
> Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> >
> > Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?
> 
> In 'da trusty Yellow Pages, 502 is listed as Frankfort, KY.
> _____________________________
This area code covers from just west of Lexington and Covington to the
western borders of Ky, including Frankfort, Louisville, Paducah, etc.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:59:24 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 69 parts car (fwd)

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Again, dunno where [330] is, near you?
> 
> Forwarded message:
> > From: CMD1962 <CMD1962@aol.com>
> > Subject: 69 parts car
> >
> > Have 1969 cutlass for parts, lots of pieces, frame, body, fenders, doors,
> > hoods, deck lids, front suspension, rear end.  Car is mostly together with
> > clear title
> > 330-882-6966 call between 6-9 ask for dave.   Thanks!!
The 330 area code is for the Akron, Ohio area.  You can get a listing
and map at http://www.aegisbooks.com  if you wish.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:30:07 -0700
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: 455 build up on budget

As I have mentioned in my "455 fit in 1981 Delta" email, I would like to
rebuild the 455 from a 76 Delta and put it in the 1981 Delta.  The motor
runs, but burns a bit of oil on start-up and is so out of tune, that my
baby bike could beat it in the 1/4 mile.  It is out of the car and on the
engine stand.  I need to tare it appart and see what I need to do.  I am
not sure of what the compresion ratio was on that 76 455 or what kind of
horses/tourqe it put out.  I don't have a lot of money to spend, so my
first choice would be to keep the pistons if possible and just purchase a
rebuild kit from a local engine shop with bearings, gaskets, o-rings,
timing chain and an RV cam/lifter set with a little more juice.  It is my
understanding that I could increase the compression by changing the
pistons, so if I had to change them, I would like to incrase the
compression.  If I do change the pistons, which compression should I go to
max. so that I can run the car on pump gas.  Is there any other way to
increase compression without changing the pistons?  Also, what kind of cam
should I go for as I still need good idle and cold-wether starts.  I would
need to keep the stock intake manifold and rebuild the carb.  Headers and
dulas would be good if cleareance premits and also a K&N filter element
with and a flexi-fan. I also heard that increasing the intake ports on the
heads would give an engine a bit more power.  Basically, if anyone has a
cheap recepie for this engine for best power and economy, please pass it
on.  Also, if you have any sugestions to use/not use things I mentioned,
please tell me.  Do you think it would be better to rebuild the 307 with an
RV cam, raise the rear end (stock 2:73), add headers and dual exaust, maybe
edelbrock intake manifold for the 1981 Delta?  Also, could I use the HEI
distributor out of the 307 on the 455?  What kind of power could I expect
out of the 455 when done and how much quicker would it be then the 307
running a stock 2:73 rear end.  The 1981 Delta is some 700 pounds ligther
then the 76.  Thanks.


Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (now a project)
1981 Regancy 307
1976 Delta 88 455
1995 Intrepid 3.3L

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:34:10 -0700
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: 455 fit in 1981 Delta

I have pulled the 455 out of the 76 Delta, together with all the
components.  Also, the 307 is out of the 81 Delta.  I would like to rebuild
the 455 and put it in the 81 Delta, but I am not sure wether the 455 will
fit.  I was looking at it, and from the looks of it i doubt that the 455
will fit with exaust manifolds installed.  It is just a tad too wide. 
Please, if anyone has done this swap, is it possible and will the 455 bolt
right up.  I also have a realy good shape TH250 in it with a trans cooler. 
I would like to mate this dog tranny to the mild 455 until I can afford
another trans.  I also have the TH400 out of the 76 Delta but I have heard
that
I would need to do extensive mods to the car to fit this tranny in.
Will the TH250 last a while behind the 455.  Also, I would really
like headers on the 455, but as I said I don't even know wether the stock
exaust
will fit.  If the motor fits, is there anything I could do or are there any
small headers that will fit that clearance.  I would appreciate if you
could give me advice on what to watch for or things that will not fit the
81Delta/455 combo.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (now a project)
1981 Regancy 307
1976 Delta 88 455
1995 Intrepid 3.3L

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:47:16 EST
From: W30442CS <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: carb. fix info./  for all list!

done that, but still have leak prob.  i think it`s going to take some thing a
little more this time.   thanks anyways.    w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:50:02 EST
From: W30442CS <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: diff codes (they DO exist)

mike is right, i check every axle tube i come across,  sometimes hard to
see,but they do exist.      steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 04:23:51 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: 69 H/O Christmas tree Ornament !

Here's this years "gotta have it". Hallmark Cards together with Jack
"Doc" Watson have produced a 1969 Hurst/Olds Christmas tree ornament as
part Keepsake Ornament Collectors Series. It's now available where
Hallmark cards are sold. Here in New York, Genovese Drugs is selling
them. Posted on my website is a digital image of the ornament itself,
and scans of the box it came in so you won't have any trouble describing
it if you go looking for it. It's munber seven in the series. Get one
while they're still available, for $13.95.

If you have any questions e-mail me I already have one !

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4	       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34		     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


		* * * * * * * * *
		* COMMING  SOON * --------> www.3STICKS.com
		* * * * * * * * *

	http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 11/28/97)

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:01:25 -0500
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

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Ray wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Mark Cornea wrote:
>
>   [NON-Text Body part not included]
>
> What will you be driving?
> Kansas was the longest part of the drive for me.  Of course it had
> something to do with our driving solo across the state, because everyone
> else was driving while we were putting in a new water pump at in a truck
> stop parking lot.  Lots of surnburnt heads resulted.
>
> Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass


        Ray,

                I'll be driving a '70 W30


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                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com> 
                              <mailto:mcornea@gw.ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:01:19 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Christmas tree Ornament !

> Here's this years "gotta have it". Hallmark Cards together with Jack
> "Doc" Watson have produced a 1969 Hurst/Olds Christmas tree ornament as
> part Keepsake Ornament Collectors Series. <snip> Get one
> while they're still available, for $13.95.
> 
Actually, these have been available for quite a while.  You have only
one?  I think I've got enough to decorate the entire tree.  Uh, by the
way, I was thinking....is that 13.95 price based on the E.T.??  Hey,
just a thought.....prices are like E.T.s, the lower the better. I'll bet
the ringers only cost 11.95....  ;)
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:27:02 -0500
From: "Mike Coccagna" <mcoccagn@envirosense.com>
Subject: Re: 1993 W31 Achieva issues

John,

The head gasket is the curse of the Quad4.  Olds claimed to have revised the
head to correct the problem in the early '90's, and sent owners of the Quad4
powered cars letters explaining that there was a problem, and extended the
warranty on the part to 5 yr/60,000 miles if I remember it right. I've
replaced mine twice - at ~58k, and again at 126k.  The second gasket failed
between cyl 2&3, and the guy who did the repair at the dealer said it looked
like the gasket didn't fail, but was incorrectly installed previously.....

Regarding performance parts, you can go hog wild and build a 2.5l stroker
engine, or for the tamer mods, there's a bigger throttle body available,
along with better flowing exhaust manifolds, headers, camshaft gears (+/- 2
or 4 degrees), cams (of course), and the usual exhaust mods (better flowing
cat, mufflers without the crossover pipe - use a "Y" pipe).  Mantapart will
also port match your heads to boost your output to a claimed 225hp.  I'm
running the +/- gears, Mantapart chip, K&N,  and aftermarket cat on my 442.

If you need a copy of the Olds Quad4 engine rebuilding tech tips, drop me a
line off the list (at mikec@pop.kis.net) and we'll figure out a way to get a
copy to you.  Its a 1 pager, and has some good stuff on it.

Mike
'91 Quad442
'93 W-41 SCX

BTW, the SCX is a W-41, not W-31.....
- -----Original Message-----

From: Jon Graham <jgraham@govsales.com>
Subject: 1993 W31 Achieva issues
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:19:03 -0800

I've got a '93 Achieva SCX with the H.O. Quad 4 that I am doing a head
gasket on at 77,000 miles.  The vehicle has been meticulously maintained by
me since new, so I'm wondering if this is a common problem with the Quad 4.
I'm also looking for any information on performance parts for the Quad 4,
as I've got it apart already.  Anything on intake/exhaust modifications
would be good at this time.  The only current modifications are a chip from
Superchips which helped the low-end noticeably, and a K&N air filter.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:30:19 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator

Ray wrote:
> 
> Has anyone seen the latest Car Craft?  I haven't yet, but a friend of mine
> told me there's some insane Olds Bravada that participated in the Real
> Street Eliminator.  I think he said it came in second to a Regal.  Pretty
> cool, but I think he also said it's got a Chevy engine.  Oh well.

A newer Bravada???  All the ones I know of carry (sigh) Chevy motors... 
Well, now it's no longer a "Chevy" Motor...  It's a GM 4.3  <G>
 
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:53:00 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 71 455 f/s

Not I, its 815 around Freeport/Rockford Illinois


> Subject:       71 455 f/s
> To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca, wittchri@pilot.msu.edu (me from myself)
> Date:          Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:13:47 -0500 (EST)
> From:          "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Folks,  dunno where 502 area code is.... near you?
> 
> Forwarded message:
> > From RPayne9620@aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:22:10 1997
> > Subject: olds 455
> >
> > i have a 71 olds i have a 455 in it good body  motor fare one ring stuck and 2
> > doors for parts and more  have new carb. eilder 1407 750 pro   1000$ call me
> > at
> > [502]264-1993 marc payne
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca
> [Lansing, MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:03:13 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

> Date:          Wed, 10 Dec 1997 04:59:01 -0800
> From:          mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> Organization:  "A" Willow Ware
> To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:       Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > 
> > Ray wrote:
> > >
> > > You probably see them smiling because they're laughing at you.  The ladies
> > > I know think any kind of automotive enthusiasm is foolish.  Fools.
> > > Women should not be allowed to own cars or have opinions about them.
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
Ouch.....I hope he's prepared for some wicked emails from women 
readers.....:)


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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:14:29 -0500
From: "Tracey Monske x4794" <MONSKE@ct.picker.com>
Subject: remove

remove

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:18:26 -0500
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: swap meet

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                Olds parts fans,

                               FYI, Largest 2 day swap meet in the
mid-west,  January 3rd and 4th at Michigan State Fair Grounds, Detroit.
4 heated buildings. I will be set up in building 3. Stop by.



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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:30:41 -0800
From: WXBX FM <wkbx@k-bay106.com>
Subject: Seat cover

Looking for bench seat cover for '71 Delta 88 Custom 2 door. Any known
ressources?

Jim Steele

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:47:28 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Engine ID

Does anyone know how to ID an Olds motor??? I've done the basics...block
number is 396021F...generic 68/72 455 block number and has J heads, 73-76
455 4-barrel heads, but of course the code on the oil fill tube is gone.
The motor is in my 68 442 conv bolted up to the original OG 400
transmission.

I'd like to get some sort of an idea what block and what original
horsepower rating it is at.

My other dilemma is finding interior parts...window cranks with colored
handles...for Garnet interior color. I need to redo the seats & carpet and
Year One has a dk red that is fairly close but only for 69 seat patterns.

I'd appreciate the help!

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 10:16:02 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[5]: carb. fix info

     
You sure about that Joe?

     Actually, no.  I was trying to come up with a scenario under which a 
     plugged fuel filter could cause flooding.

When I put a junkyard Qjet on my Cutlass, it would cut out under full load 
because the fuel filter was plugged. (yeah dumb, I know!) I don't think that 
spring is supposed to act as a bypass relief for the filter. 
At least it didn't for me.

     I tried to rationalize that in the latter part of my post.  Frankly, it 
     didn't fully make sense to me either, unless it was a transient pressure 
     pulse when the filter finally did move back.  Keep in mind that this 
     probably would still provide significant restriction, as the pressure would 
     likely only crack the filter off the seat a small amount.
     
The previous Qjet had had the threads on the filter housing stripped.  I removed
the filter (and spring), JB Welded the housing in, and put in an in-line filter.
     
Worked great for years.

     Done that too, until I discovered the oversize self-threading nut.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

     
     

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:16:54 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator

This one has a gnarly blown sbc

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> From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 7:30 AM
> 
> Ray wrote:
> > 
> > Has anyone seen the latest Car Craft?  I haven't yet, but a friend of
mine
> > told me there's some insane Olds Bravada that participated in the Real
> > Street Eliminator.  I think he said it came in second to a Regal. 
Pretty
> > cool, but I think he also said it's got a Chevy engine.  Oh well.
> 
> A newer Bravada???  All the ones I know of carry (sigh) Chevy motors... 
> Well, now it's no longer a "Chevy" Motor...  It's a GM 4.3  <G>
>  
> -- 
>              		    Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:10:16 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: RE:  NO MORE AIR

In my '75 Cutlass, also with no air left, I took that big box apart, removed 
the condenser / cooler / whatever (like a heat-exchanger, but cold) out and 
taped up the holes where the hoses went in.  Re-install and I had a non-air 
heating system with no leaks....


EA
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/

  HI AGAIN
              IN MY RALLYE THE COMPONENTS OF MY AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM 
UNDER
THE HOOD ARE GONE    ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE BIG BOX ON THE FIREWALL   WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN I REMOVE THI  WHAT WILL I FIND UNDER THIS     CAN I PUT ANOTHER
COVER ON THIS AND IF SO   WHERE COULD I FIND ONE
                          AS ALWAYS  I APPRECIATE ANY RESPONCE
                                                                              

JIM

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:10:20 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: RE:  Seat cover

I got a seat cover for my Cutlass, one of them universal-fits, and it was 
garbage.  For pocket change I bought some nice fabric and got my mom to make 
me a cover.  The cover ties on like any seat cover, costs less, and is built 
from good heavy / yet fluffy fabric.....

The actual sewing apparnetly was quite easy, well within the range of a 
novice sewer.......
 --------------
Looking for bench seat cover for '71 Delta 88 Custom 2 door. Any known
ressources?

Jim Steele

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:09:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: request for g body owners

	
Due primarily to economic reasons, I am going to have to put off my '85
Cutlass project for a while, and will probably wind up selling the car.
As a result, I will be leaving the list shortly.

I want to thank everyone who has helped me with my questions over the past
few months.  I still plan to have a G-body project sometime in the future.

If there is anyone on the list who has owned or worked on a G-body Cutlass
and wouldn't mind getting a few questions e-mailed directly to them,
please send me an off-list reply with a short description of the kind of
repairs and modifications you have done or considered.   

Thanks again for the help in the past, and in advance for your help in the
future.

Tom Allen

'85 Cutlass Supreme, for awhile (Sob!)

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:14:44 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

> Well as matter of fact I set these damn alarms off all the time.
> And I've been through two alternators already.  But however 
> the ladies like when I ride by with my loud ass system....

Um, is it your arrival they like, or your departure?
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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