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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, December 20 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1021



Re: Die cast cars...
Re: 59 olds
Re: Die cast cars...
Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac
Ram Air, but not on an A-Body
Re: Die cast cars...
Re: list (until I get a computer at home)
E-Mail is Working Again
'67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers
Re: Die cast cars...
Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'
Re: Are Headers worth it??
Re: Hooker Headers for my car????
Re: SX Electrical Woes Fixed! (mostly...)
Re: Die cast cars...
Re: LA WOMN
Re: LA WOMN
Land Speed Record?
Re: Ram Air, but not on an A-Body
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac
Re: 1937 Olds for sale
Re: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers
Re: shoot me now
Re: Ram Air, but not on an A-Body
Re: shoot me now
Re: Regal/Cutlass G Q's  (Olds magnet needs input!)
test
Rear coil springs, '78 Delta
Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist of??
Re: test & Xmas (Olds related:)
test 2
test
Re: test
Re: test
Re: LA WOMN
Re: Go Speed Racer!
Re: Go Speed Racer! /randy
Re: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers
Re: [Re: Are Headers worth it??]
Brake booster removal
8-Track tape adapter
Olds Plaque ª1971!
Re: Brake booster removal
jet-hot coatings
Re: Montana Land Speed Record?
need keys!
question   about  tenn..
Re: Go Speed Racer! /randy
Olds 442 drag car pictures
Rear-ended in Florida!
Re: Rear-ended in Florida!

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:00:10 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Die cast cars...

Scott,

The Danbury Mint stuff is bad but not htat bad.  It is more like $105.  The
Franklin Mint stuff is more like $125.  Both companies produce some nice
stuff.  That '55 Super 88 convertible is beautiful.  I understand that there
is a W30 in the works from Danbury Mint but is still in limbo.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>
>Does anyone know if there are any Die cast replicas of Oldsmobiles, I have
>the Ertl 69 H/O & 442, I know about the Danbury Mint 55 Super 88, but I
>understand that some company i.e. Franklin/Danbury did a 70 442 W-30 Conv?
>I'd definitely spend the outrageous $150 for one! I'm sure I'm not alone!
>
>Lemmeknow!
>
>Scott Wheeler
>68 442 Conv
>Dallas
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:24:31 -0700
From: Merkley Family <jancan@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: 59 olds

I am in the process of restoring one myself and have found Fusicks, USA
Parts,and a couple of other suppliers  all which are on the net will send you
all the literature you want. they have every part you could ever want. Gerry

HTGTA wrote:

> I am currently deciding to purchase a 1959 olds super88 and am wondering how
> hard it will be to come by parts and info to restore. If anyone can help and
> point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tim

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:33:41 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Die cast cars...

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Early - Mid 70's - Hot Wheels made what they call Redlines (Cars with
> Red Lined Wheels)...  ...Both are
> rather expensive in good shape.

Jerry has seemed to redeem himself from whatever all that Q4 stuff was
about.  This was some good info.  If you'd like to see one of these
"redlines" go here:

http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3053085

This particular one is rather expensive!!!!

While your there, feel free to click on the "search" button to look for
"Oldsmobile" stuff.  I've got some sales literature up for auction
there.  You'll also find things under "Olds".

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:32:57 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle
> Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 7:36 PM
>
> At 07:24 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
> Kurt
>
>         Sorry to take so long getting back to you. I know we have two
spaces
> for spring Carlisle, but I don't know the space numbers yet. There being
> given to us from a friend of a friend. I'll let you know when I find out.
> Here's a little info for you, we are going to attempt to market a
complete
> 66 and 67 Track Pac conversion with ALL the pieces. Do you think there's
a
> demand for this?

*I* think so.  How about it everybody?

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:03:08 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Ram Air, but not on an A-Body

Has anybody ever attempted, or seen someone that attempted a "Ram Air"
system for the G-Bodies?  Not involving cutting the hood?
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:12:30 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Die cast cars...

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> > Early - Mid 70's - Hot Wheels made what they call Redlines (Cars with
> > Red Lined Wheels)...  ...Both are
> > rather expensive in good shape.
>
> Jerry has seemed to redeem himself from whatever all that Q4 stuff was
> about.  This was some good info.  If you'd like to see one of these
> "redlines" go here:

Hahaha...  They are the lightest Rockets made, and depending on where
you put your finger, they can be RWD, or FWD (For the Toro guys), and if
the hood doesn't open, it can even have a Q4...  Mine all have an I-1 (I
push with one finger)  They get GREAT gas mileage, you have to worry
more about the gas drying up than you do using it up! HAHAHA..

> http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3053085

Ugh, East Bay...  <G>  I forgot all about those casts... <G>
Unfortunately, I think $380 is WAY to high for any car, so it is rare,
(anti-freeze cars usually are) but that one's not $380's worth of
rare!!!  It would have to been in the package, with a MINT package for
me to even consider $100...  If I looked, and was patient, chances are
I'll come across another for a WHOLE lot less.  Just my
.01999999999999999999999999 cents worth.

> This particular one is rather expensive!!!!

No doubt.

> While your there, feel free to click on the "search" button to look for
> "Oldsmobile" stuff.  I've got some sales literature up for auction
> there.  You'll also find things under "Olds".

Cool...  Checking now.
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:14:44 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: list (until I get a computer at home)

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> > > Gonna get your _wife_ a computer, huh?  We know how that one works.  And 
I
> > > think I'll get my wife a new tool chest, or maybe that hooker
> >
> > YOUR GONNA GET YOUR WIFE A HOOKER????    wow, talk about a clever gift...
>
> Hmm, something both can enjoy?  (*it's friday...!*) I won't add any more
> to this, since there's nothing Olds about it, but I couldn't leave
> ~that~ alone!

Sure, you can drive them both home in the Olds.  There, now we're PC..
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:19:00 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: E-Mail is Working Again

After 8 days of run around, excuses and no information, the sprynet
e-mail server started working again tonight.
Back in business with my old e-mail address. Was starting to like the
"DropTop_69" address though.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:21:06 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers

I'm going to be needing 2 complete muffler systems in the near future and
wanted to get some input from list members before I plunk down the long green.

Any comments on suppliers? cost/quality? Beyond the usual guys we all
know--Year One, Fusick, Brothers--how about some of the suppliers I see in
Hemmings such as Kepich?
I've got a good local muffler shop; Can these guys still get the proper
'formulas' that are needed to make the right bends, etc.?
Stainless would be nice if anybody had a goodand reasonable source. Is
aluminizing worth the extra cost?
For the '67, the suppliers talk about 'chambered pipes'. I don't have a clue
as to what this means or if it's important to the proper sound and performance
of the car. Any comments from the (large! it seems) '67 crowd out there?

Anyway, enough for now.
Season's Best to all-
Peter Sliskovich
the CoupeKing

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:33:05 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Die cast cars...

I spoke with the man whose 1970 W-30 was used as the guide for the
Franklin/Danbury 70 442 W-30 Conv.  He lives in MO and was selling this
car this summer - around 20K.  His car was red, the model will be
sebring yellow. THere was some other wierd difference - don't remember.
He said Danbury sent 5 guys down to measure everything.  Model was due
out end of this year.

Steven Saraceno
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:09:02 -0500
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Music for driving 455 Olds'

OLDS44272 wrote:
>
>    The name of the song is 455 Rocket
Sung by Kathy Mattea
- --
Eric T. Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:30:48 -0500
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Are Headers worth it??

IRA wrote:
>
> Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
> maintainance).  Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
> street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?

When my 67 Cutlass still had the orginal 400, C heads, and factory 4bl.
I installed a set of Hooker Headers.  It was the best improvement I ever
did to that motor.  Very well worth it!

BTW, I still have that same 67 Cutlass.  I installed the headers on that
car in the summer of 1974.  They are still on the car and working
great.  I know people will find it hard to belive headers can last over
20 years.  Well mine have and they still don't have any problems.

Just my 2 cents worth
- --
Eric T. Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:34:20 -0500
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Hooker Headers for my car????

SRB442 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    I have a 73 442 and the hooker super comps ª3202 won't fit the right side
> without modifications to the header. I had to have one of the tubes moved for
> clearance. The left side fits mint no mods at all for a 455 turbo 400 car. If
> you are going to go with the 3" exhaust all the way back you will have
> clearance problems over the rearend area.   Steve
> 1967 442
> 1970 442
> 1973 442
> 1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

I had the same problem when I installed mine on my 67 Cutlass.  I just
dimpled the one tube enought to clear the upper A-Arm bushing.  Sounds
like Hooker should look at their design again.


- --
Eric T. Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:52:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes Fixed! (mostly...)

>- ---Doc Bob wrote:>
>> > As for the blower, it seems to be suffering the same problem
>> > as my horn:
>
>I think I have been dealing with the same electrical woes as Doc bob
>this week:

I see what you mean; for a minute there I thought you were describing *my*
problems! :)

>- - gen. light staying on even though the system was charging cleaned
>connections; fixed this one.
>- -grounded out courtesy lights. switch in door was shorting to ground.

I spent quite a few hours tracking down the interior lighting faults in my
car. All I'm left with is a dead glovebox light. I feel sorry for the
manual-trans guys who don't get the cool console lights...

>- - wipers not working right: don't know how I fixed this one.
>- - horn not working: thououghly cleaned all the conract points, took
>relay apart, put it back together. Now my horn works if I stick a

Sorry I can't help you with the sport wheel contact; I have an aftermarket
rubber-grip 3-spoke wheel on my car that I thought was *so* cool back in
high-school. I found that the blower relay and horn relay were available
from just about every parts place I called, and in stock at one particular
warehouse place, so I'm picking that up tomorrow. It'll be nice to have a
fully-functional car again!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:06:19 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Die cast cars...

Steven Saraceno wrote:

<snip>
>He said Danbury sent 5 guys down to measure everything.  Model was due
>out end of this year.

Yeah, his name is Tracey Cleeton.  He used to be on the list.  He's got some
pics of the Danbury Mint guys going over his car on his web page.  The
address is:

http://www.mcmsys.com/~tcleeton/

Later,

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:10:16 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: LA WOMN

 To love Oldsmobiles AND be a big Doors fan.  Life is GOOD!  Damn right.
I am a speaker killer from way back - one of these days I'll get a *really*
good set for the VC, then no one will want to ride with me :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:08:33 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: LA WOMN

Actually its a Jan of '66 Toro so the defective carb was fixed by its
production (so says Ralph Braun and if he doesn't know, no one does!).

I'll let you know if it proves me wrong :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:15:45 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Land Speed Record?

Awww, I don't know, Highway 51 South outta Idaho to Nevada is great -
there's no one for the cops to even care about watching......

One of the few times I had fun in my 5 speed Camaro....


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:11:29 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ram Air, but not on an A-Body

In a message dated 97-12-19 22:16:29 EST, you write:

<< Has anybody ever attempted, or seen someone that attempted a "Ram Air"
 system for the G-Bodies?  Not involving cutting the hood? >>

here lately, ive been trying to figure out the same thing.  id love having a
'78 cutlass with ram air.  im thinking of getting the ram air scoops made for
a '68 or '69 442 and putting them under my bumper.  its definately going to be
a chore running the hoses, though.  oh yea, the air cleaner ill use is going
to be one of those found in the back of a hot rod magazine.  im still
pondering on this subject, though.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:14:10 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

time out!!!  now, if you go by a cop doing 140mph, why stop???  :-)  man, id
like to see a cop catch you!!

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 23:23:47 -0600
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

BIG JERMES wrote:
>
> time out!!!  now, if you go by a cop doing 140mph, why stop???  :-)  man, id
> like to see a cop catch you!!

What was the old saying - You can outrun his Mopar, but you can't outrun
his Motorola...

JR
72 Cutlass S

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:25:58 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac

re '66-67 Track-Pac, I think price will be a big factor, along with quality.
CoupeKing

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:33:10
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 1937 Olds for sale

At 05:47 PM 12/19/1997 -0500, you wrote:
>Saw this in today's Washington Post:
>
>OLDS--'37 2dr Sedan. All orig except tires, 67K orig mi, exceptional
>cond, w/ many extras! $6500, day-703-802-1556 or eve- 304-725-2401
>This ad first appeared in The Washington Post December 19, 1997.
>
>The 703 area code is Northern Virginia; I'm not sure about 304.  Maybe it's
>a cell phone.

The 304 area code covers all of West Virginia.




*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:54:50 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers

In a message dated 97-12-20 00:26:08 EST, you write:

<< For the '67, the suppliers talk about 'chambered pipes'. I don't have a
clue
 as to what this means or if it's important to the proper sound and
performance
 of the car. Any comments from the (large! it seems) '67 crowd out there? >>

well, the chambered pipes you are talking about have about 2 ft. of indentions
in them.  id say it was for the sound.  heres something really neat, though.
one of my dads '67 442s has all the factory exaust exept for w-30 manifolds
and dynomax mufflers.  the mufflers he has are the exact same size as factory
ones, but they are strait thru.  in other words, you can look straight through
the muffler.  thing is, that exhaust setup behind a 461cid engine, is
abnormally quiet!!!  more so than my 355 with 2 1/4" pipes and turbos on my
'78 cutlass!!!  great setup, if you want to be quiet and still make great
power.

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:46:18 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: shoot me now

Charley Buehner wrote:

>>>*only* exhaust) gases that were drawn from the crankcase via EGR.
>>>Exhaust gases in the c'case shouldn't be in great quantities, unless, as
>>>you said, you have a piston that's gone VVK.

>I like the term already, but what's it stand for? (VVK)

Ahhh, yes...this is one of my favourite cliches, and is commonly used
around snowmobilers.  "VVK" stands for "voom-voom-kaboom!", which
basically means your screwed your machine beyond reasonable repair (duct
tape & zip ties).  Most commonly used when describing a blown
piston...(been there, done that, had enough leftover aluminum to build a
shed out of...)

- ----------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:12:20 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Ram Air, but not on an A-Body

BIG JERMES wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-12-19 22:16:29 EST, you write:
>
> << Has anybody ever attempted, or seen someone that attempted a "Ram Air"
>  system for the G-Bodies?  Not involving cutting the hood? >>

Yep, been there, done that.  Never got it completed, but I have the
ducts ran from the cutouts in the bumper (81 Cutlass) up to the air
cleaner.  Never got the dual snorkel to finish it up, though.  (May
change if/when it becomes the Stage I Rockit, though!)


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:13:40 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: shoot me now

>
> Ahhh, yes...this is one of my favourite cliches, and is commonly used
> around snowmobilers.  "VVK" stands for "voom-voom-kaboom!", which

Ah.  Gotcha.  Kinda similar to f*rd's "Click Vroom Kaboom," eh?  :)

               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:23:53 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Regal/Cutlass G Q's  (Olds magnet needs input!)

> Charley. I currently have an 83 Regal in my salvage yard with a Buick
> 455 transplant. It is a very nice fit. This car has no A/C from the
> factory. If you like I can take pics of this motor in the car at
> diffenent angles for you. Let me know.

Shouldn't be necessary, unless you really want to shoot some...
Thanks.  I have no doubts that it'd fit, since the 455 Buick looks
~tiny~ compared to that damn Buick V6 in the 83!  If all those hoses and
crap can fit under the hood, the Stage I should have ~no~ problems
there!  :)

> > Are the Buick V8 and V6 motor mounts the same?
Question remains...

> I have a catalog from T/A performance out of Arizona that specializes in
> Buick.
Cool.  They on the 'net?  Curious...

> They have headers in there for G-body Buicks with 400+ cubic inch Buick
motors.

Excellent.  Are they priced like normal exhaust parts, or do they
require a second mortgage like the Big Block Olds?


> > How much of a pain in the *** is it to change the lower motor mounts?
> > Do the lower control arms have to come out?  Is it ~physically possible~
> > to get ~any~ tools in there to remove the nuts???   Any suggestions?
>
 Like I said, I have a living example of what you need. :-)

Cool, that answers the "physically possible" part of that question.  How
'bout the first part?  That's the part that's got me worried!


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:41:19 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: test



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Date: 20 Dec 1997 02:10:20 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: Rear coil springs, '78 Delta

The rear of my '78 Delta is sagging kind of noticably, so I want to
replace the original rear springs.  But I wish to replace them with a
pair of rear springs from a '90 9C1, which would give the car a little
bit of a rake.  Does anybody have any pictures of any '77-85 B-bodies
that have a rake of 2 or so inches?  I want to know how this looks
before I go out and purchase the springs (BTW, they are pn 482086, $46
each from Dal Lambert Buick I believe)

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 04:52:13 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist of??

Just curious,
Bernie
2 67 abodies

GO JETS!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 03:17:34 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: test & Xmas (Olds related:)

Test?  Duster, what are ~you~ studyin' at 2:41 AM???

Probably won't make Havre for Xmas (actually I'd put $$$ on it;) so in
light of that, to you and the family and all you encounter:

Merry SX-mas
Happy Holiday S
Joy 442 the world...
Somebody stop me!!!

Hopes that the Oldsmobile parts under the tree ~won't~ be a result of
you ~hitting~ that tree...

Dustin Cross wrote:

- --
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 03:41:45 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: test 2



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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:48:01 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: test

can any one here me?
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:53:22 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: test

clarence wirtz wrote:
>
> can any one here me?

yes, I can.  Test complete.
- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:01:59 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: test

On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 13:48:01 +0000 clarence wirtz
<cw63nova@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>can any one here me?
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
>San Antonio
>
>
        I can

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:33:36 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: LA WOMN

James Thingwold wrote:
>
>  To love Oldsmobiles AND be a big Doors fan.  Life is GOOD!  Damn right.
> I am a speaker killer from way back - one of these days I'll get a *really*
> good set for the VC, then no one will want to ride with me :-)
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA

Lisa, you'll have to dial a LARGE number on the sound system for me to
hear it from here.  Or maybe we drag along the other halves and meet
somewhere in between like Oklahoma City.  (My wife is a big Doors fan
also.)  Now if I can just get my 69 S conv redone, find a good reverb
and an eight track tape..........

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:28:50 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer!

Scott Wheeler,

I first joined OCA in 75 after I bought my 57. I put it in storage when I
moved to Edmond in 79. I dropped my membership and interest in the car til two
years ago
when I brought the car home and started my rebuild. Re-upped with OCA this
spring but haven't heard from the locals. Guess I need to look em up. In the
late 70's when I went to a couple of OCA  functions, the fellows with older
Olds, didn't exactly
appreciate my style of car. I like it raised up a bit in rear, (always thought
the original stance of the car was too low in rear) with wide tires and
wheels, chrome on engine and so on. I am curious to see if anything has
changed when I have it ready to go next summer. Do you drive a 68 442? As you
know, Edmond is not exactly a hotbed of vintage or musclecar collectors.
Mostly Landcruisers, Mini-vans, and Mercedes.
We live on a golf course in Edmond. Some of my neighbors seem to cringe when I
have my 49 F-1 on the driveway, or catch a glimpse of the 57 when the garage
door is open. But I have a new neighbor moving in that works for GM. He said
when He saw in my garage he knew he had found the right neighborhood as he has
a 67
Firebird he has had since high school.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2
49 F-1

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:48:11 EST
From: W30442CS <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer! /randy

randy ,that wouldn`t be oak tree gulf coarse would it?  i had a friend that
worked there, his dad still does.  roy and joe blankenship.  they were ground
keepers.   i live in cushing, about 60 miles east of edmond.      steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:25:55 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers

- -----Original Message-----
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: '67 and '68 muffler systems/suppliers


>In a message dated 97-12-20 00:26:08 EST, you write:
>
><< For the '67, the suppliers talk about 'chambered pipes'. I don't
have a
>clue
> as to what this means or if it's important to the proper sound and
>performance
> of the car. Any comments from the (large! it seems) '67 crowd out
there? >>


A "chambered" pipe has an inner and outer pipe that are crimped to
each other in specific spots. Often, they were used on the "Y" pipes
for F*rd truck applications in the late 60s, early 70's. They do quite
the system down considerably.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:19:11
From: <terrywiles@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Are Headers worth it??]

I have been sonsidering a set of headers myself, but I have heard that you have
to raise the motor up to get them in.   Is this true?   If so, how far does it
need to be lifted, I have too many hours into detailing to disconect all of my
stainless hoses, and such.   I have also heard that a set of manifolds off of a
455 will bolt on to a 350, and produce a noticeable difference, anyone try 
this?

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
>> IRA wrote:
>> >
>> > Are headers worth the expense and hassle (installation and
>> > maintainance).  Are there any NOTICIBLE gains in HP or economy for a
>> > street car that may, at most, see 5000-5500 RPM?
>>
>> When my 67 Cutlass still had the orginal 400, C heads, and factory 4bl.
>> I installed a set of Hooker Headers.  It was the best improvement I ever
>> did to that motor.  Very well worth it!
>>
>> BTW, I still have that same 67 Cutlass.  I installed the headers on that
>> car in the summer of 1974.  They are still on the car and working
>> great.  I know people will find it hard to belive headers can last over
>> 20 years.  Well mine have and they still don't have any problems.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth
>> --
>> Eric T. Brubakken
>> ebrubak@ix.netcom.com
>>
____________________________________________________________________
Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:57:27 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Brake booster removal

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Ok, I have never done this before and need help about removing the brake =
booster.

Q -1.)  Can I remove the master cylinder from the booster without =
loosing fluid?

Q -2.)  Is it possible to replace the booster without having to bleed =
the brakes or  =20
          getting air in the brake lines? =20

Any help about do's and don'ts is greatly appreciated!!!  I read the =
chassis manual for this procedure, but it doesn't go into that much =
detail. =20

Thanks in advance!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Any help about do's and don'ts is greatly =
appreciated!!!&nbsp;=20
I read the chassis manual for this procedure, but it doesn't go into =
that much=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 size=3D2>Thanks in advance!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 size=3D2>RC Hellebuyck<BR>1971 4-4-2 covt. - =
see it=20
at:</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:04:57 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: 8-Track tape adapter

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Hi all,

I'm looking for one of those adapters that let you play a cassette =
through the 8-track player.  They were sold all over the place during =
the 1980s.  I use to have one which was made by "Kraco".  Bought one at =
K-mart in 1984 for $20.  Not sure if I sold it at a yard sale or what, =
but I can't find it.  =20

If anyone has one of these please e-mail privately.

Thanks,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I'm looking for one of those adapters that let you =
play a=20
cassette through the 8-track player.&nbsp; They were sold all over the =
place=20
during the 1980s.&nbsp; I use to have one which was made by=20
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sure if=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If anyone has one of these please e-mail=20
privately.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 size=3D2>RC Hellebuyck<BR>1971 4-4-2 covt. - =
see it=20
at:</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:31:56 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Olds Plaque ª1971!

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On a whim I called Alpha Marketing to see if I could request Centennial =
plaque ª1971.  They said {if it was available} sure, that a few people =
have already requested certain numbers.  After hearing this I thought =
for sure 1971 was gone.  But it wasn't!

You never know unless you ask.  :)     BTW, if anyone out there would =
like plaque number 1947, you can have it for what I paid.  $40. + =
shipping.


F.Y.I. -  You might want to consider trying the latest Microsoft =
Explorer 4.0 version, (if you haven't already).  There are many new =
features and the e-mail program is awesome!  I just got it running this =
morning and it's great!  So long netscape..... If interested you can =
download it free from Microsoft's web site.    www.microsoft.com   Plan =
to download it overnight though, it took me over 5 hours with a 28800 =
modem.  It runs great on my 486/66.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:

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that a few=20
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I=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>You never know unless you ask.&nbsp;=20
:)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, if anyone out there would like plaque =
number=20
1947, you can have it for what I paid.&nbsp; $40. + =
shipping.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>F.Y.I. -&nbsp; You might want to consider trying the =
latest=20
Microsoft Explorer 4.0 version, (if you haven't already).&nbsp; There =
are many=20
new features and the e-mail program is awesome!&nbsp; I just got it =
running this=20
morning and it's great!&nbsp; So long netscape..... If interested you =
can=20
download it free from Microsoft's web site.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com">www.microsoft.com</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; Plan =
to=20
download it overnight though, it took me over 5 hours with a 28800 =
modem.&nbsp;=20
It runs great on my 486/66.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 size=3D2>RC Hellebuyck<BR>1971 4-4-2 covt. - =
see it=20
at:</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:41:38 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Brake booster removal

Yes you can remove the booster w/o losing fluid as long as your
M/C is not leaking internally. Best to unbolt the booster (4) nuts hold
onto firewall except leave one nut each side finger tight while you loosen
the master cylinder. Pull M/C away from booster and be carefull as the
brake lines will give you some room to position it away from booster. You'll
have to tie up or prop M/C to keep strain off lines.
The booster is also connected to brake pedal with a pin & clip.
remove clip / pin and booster will pull away from firewall. You did remember
to remove the other two nuts from booster on fire wall right ?
Although . sounds easier than done if you take your time and better yet
have someone else around for assistance its not all the difficult.
Re install in reverse.

Happy stopping


Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:24:14 -0800
From: mackk@cgocable.net
Subject: jet-hot coatings

Anyone know of a reputable place that does jet-hot coatings for headers
that is in the southern to mid region of Ontario? Thanx.

reply to mailto:mackk@cgocable.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:33:31 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Montana Land Speed Record?

In a message dated 97-12-20 00:32:07 EST, you write:

<<
 What was the old saying - You can outrun his Mopar, but you can't outrun
 his Motorola...

 JR
 72 Cutlass S
  >>
your right, but just how many cops are just convenently standing by ready to
join in???...... i say at 140mph...STAND ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 17:55:49 -0500
From: "Kathy Gerschutz" <kgersch@bright.net>
Subject: need keys!

I am probably going to buy a 82 Cutlass Calais at an auction, and there are
no keys for it.  I have to have the car removed (the owner is going to rent
out the garage space) within two days of sale.  I contacted the local
dealership, and they said if I bring them the door look, the can make a
door key and then an ignition key from that.  I think the door lock just
clips in and out, but does anyone know how to take off the door panel?  Or
does anyone know of a better alternative then doing this to get the car out
of there?  Also, it has the rear and front sway bars, does this mean that
it has the F41 (something like that) suspension package?  I can't read the
trunk sticker, and the VIN ª is 2G3AK47A6C2389539.  Can anyone tell me
something from this number?  Thanks.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:03:28 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: question   about  tenn..

   anyone   go to the auction in tennessee. at the junk yar going out of
business

    a few   60's 70's olds    ....    olds guy......

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:15:20 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer! /randy

Steven,
We are a mile south of Oak Tree at Coffee Creek Golf Course. Heck, I don't
think the guards at Oak Tree would let me through the front gates in my 49
F-1, unless I told them I was the new greenskeeper.
Cushing, huh. My brother just bought a new Chevy truck there. Said the dealer
had trucks parked in lots all over downtown. And my brother-in-law went to
Cushing to dry out at some facility there. Guess I better not tell too much,
Jerry Springer might be on the list.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:44:58 EST
From: Brainbeau <Brainbeau@aol.com>
Subject: Olds 442 drag car pictures

Wanted, 1960's thru early 70's era pictures, negatives, ( one or however many
you may have ) and 8 mm movie footage of dealer sponsorded Olds 442 drag cars
in action at the drag strip or at rest in the pits.

Please respond by e-mail to Brainbeau@aol.com or contact:

Gene Horn
64 Gilead Rd.
Andover, CT 06232
(860) 742-6806

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:59:31 -0500 (EST)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Rear-ended in Florida!

Hi, Folks.

AAAARGH!

Last summer, I bent your ears about the work I was having done on my son's
'69 442.

The good news is that the car was running great after all that trouble
about getting the right axel and finding the right front discs, etc.

The bad news is that my son sold his Saab and took the car and his
girlfriend and headed to GA.  So I don't get to drive it anymore.

The really bad news is that the car got rear-ended this afternoon in Ft
Meyers, FL.  Bent bumper, quarters, frame, trunk lid, maybe more.

The good news is that he guy who did the damage was really decent,
cooperated with the police (was cited), and has insurance.

So - the question.  My son, who will be subscribed to the list himself by
the time he gets back to Atlanta, is wondering:

1) What is the value of the car?

2) Does anyone have any experience with insurance companies (The Hartford,
in this case) regarding their trying to call the car totalled, because the
book value is $0?

3) Any advice about good (or bad) shops in the Atlanta area?

The care is mechanically sound; body was professionally fixed up about 8
or 9 years ago, though there is now some rust in the usual places (around
the wheel wells) under the paint, interior uphostery needs work, new
tires, axel, axel bearings, wheel bearings, brakes, calipers, wheel
cylinders, water pump, starter, u-joints, yada, yada, yada.

Thanks,
Don Sugarman
Pittsfield, MA

sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:33:16 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Rear-ended in Florida!

> 2) Does anyone have any experience with insurance companies (The Hartford,
> in this case) regarding their trying to call the car totalled, because the
> book value is $0?
>

Who's insurance company?  Is it the other guy's?  If it is, they can't
total the car if you don't want them to.  The other insurance company is
REQUIRED to put the car back to "before loss" condition if you so
desire.  Unless YOU also have the same insurance company.  I'm not sure
about the laws, because Florida is a no-fault state, but I'd be talking
with MY insurance company about this, and having them advise you.
That's part of what comes with premiums.  And maybe I'd consult a lawyer
too.  This could get sticky, and may not be settled in a fair amount of
time. Stick to your guns, and don't let them total it, unless you want
to.  If your insurance company doesn't want to help, then drop them and
get someone else.  I had this VERY same thing happen, though not as bad
with my 69 W-30.  Some clown ran a stop sign and hit the quarter.  His
insurance company balked, but State Farm said fine, we'll fix his car,
then sue the piss out of you, so then they saw things my way.  Amazing
what can happen when your insurance company fears itself paying....

Some free advice.  I'm no lawyer, but I'd seek counsel on this matter.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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