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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, December 12 1997      Volume 01 : Number 1005



Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: HEI & recurve question
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: I almost had a 71
Re: FRAMEOFF
Re: Re[2]: engine ID by VIN
Re: Power Tour
Re: G-body model
Re: I almost had a 71
HO ?
455 build up on budget again
UNBOUNCE: Rumors and Aftermath
Re: HO ?
Re: UNBOUNCE: Engine color
UNBOUNCE: Re: The one that got away
Re: I almost had a 71
Re: big wires
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: The one that got away
Re: runaway engine
Fw:
Re: New England Power Tour
Re: sounds (my take on the subject)
Re: Olds & Youth(long)
Re: Clarification: A-body rear brake swap
Re: Funny story
Re: UNBOUNCE: Re: The one that got away
Re: big wires HEY BILL!
Auction in Woodbury, TN
Re: 93 Achieva rear window defrost
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
RE:  weld brake drums?
Too much mail
The two that got away (Was "The one that got away)
Quad 4 performance
Peeling Out
Quad 4 head gaskets
Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?
Re: sounds (my take on the subject)
Re: Quad 4 performance

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:41:49 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

This one's easy - the '69 Hurst Olds that was advertised for $700 (1979)  -
they really meant $1700 but felt bad for everyone who called and the first
real money over $700 took the car.  My Dad couldn't make up his mind to
loan me the money and by the next morning the car was gone (oh surprise). I
almost kicked my Dad over that one (he still feels bad).  Car was complete
and unrestored 80k miles.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:50:13 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

A slightly related story- the all time 'best buy' award goes to the '66 GTO
we talked a 16 yr. old neighbor kid into buying, 389, tri-power, four
speed, buckets, black on black, original in and out, about 80-90K miles,
great condition,  for $100.00.  And he HESITATED!  Wasn't sure he wanted
such a 'plain' car.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:43:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: HEI & recurve question

>I'm using a vacuum advance HEI on a small block engine with no functioning
>emissions equip. The engine detonates at part-throttle acceleration  (not
>from stop, just increasing speed) and at highway cruise speeds (probably
>fairly lean conditions). In either case, I can usually stop the detonation
>by stepping harder on the go pedal.
>
>I'd like to eliminate this problem. Would you think it would be logical to
>start with adjustable vaccum advance to reduce total advance and just leave
>the springs,weights, etc,. alone?

Well, the Crane kit I used has you tailor the curve one part at a time.
First, you dial in the maximum initial advance you can run, and then use
looser springs to maximize the centrifugal curve (maybe readjusting the base
timing at the same time); with my 455, I ended up using one stock spring and
one of the heaviest springs in the kit (still lighter than stock, though).

After this, you dial in the point at which the vacuum advance kicks in
(using an allen-wrench inserted into the vacuum connector on the vacuum
diaphram), and *then* you limit the total amount of vacuum advance by means
of a limiter plate.

If you started by reducing vacuum advance right away, you might miss out on
the optimal centrifugal advance setting for your engine. The Crane
adjustable vacuum advance kit costs slightly more than the "generic" kit
from Summit ($23 vs. $18), but it contains a lot more, so I'd highly
recommend it.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:43:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

>Jow Padavano wrote:
>
>Speaking of SSIIIs, I was wondering if the wheels used on the 77 Delta
>88 Indy Pace car replicas used a 5 on 5 bolt pattern or a 5 on 4 3/4
>pattern?  Were there _any_ SSII/SSIII rims with a 5 on 5 bolt pattern?
>
>!!!!
>     The later (77-up) RWD Deltas used the 4 3/4 pattern unless
>equipped with a 403 in which case they had the big bolt pattern that
>the 98s and Custom Cruiser station wagons have.
>     There are NO SSII/III wheels with a 5 on 5 pattern.....wish there
>was!

What size bolt pattern was found on the '67 Deltas? I ask because the
factory promo shots show the car wearing SSII rims. So maybe there are some
prototypes around.

On those '77-> Deltas, weren't any of the pace car replicas equipped with
the 403? They came with the SSIII's, didn't they? How about the actual pace
car itself? Maybe there are some prototype rims of this size and style around?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:43:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: I almost had a 71

>Let me know if I'm a fool or the other guy is please.  Over the summer i
>went to look at a 71 Cutlass S convertible that was for sale.  I was
 [snip of description of trashed convertible]
>top down and stuff like that.  Anyway, this guy was asking $4500 for this
>car.  I realize that this car is valuable and all, but that much for the
>shape it was in?  Is he nuts?  Thanks

He's nuts. Maybe somebody else is nuts as well, and actually paid that
price, but I think the seller was just dreaming. If it was a
matching-numbers 4-spd 442 convertible, then maybe, but just an "S" with
major rust? No, sounds more like $1000.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 17:06:18 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: FRAMEOFF

> HELLO AGAIN LIST MEMBERS
>                                ANOTHER QUESTION FROM A NOVICE
>HAS ANYBODY TAKEN A BODY OFF OF A 1970 RALLYE FRAME  HOW DO YOU DO IT   ANY
>SUGGESTIONS
>                                                      THANKS
>                                                           JIM

I've never done it but there seems to be some good info in the new Olds FAQ
(version 4) as well as at:

http://chevelles.com/tech/archive/index.shtml




Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:32:31 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: engine ID by VIN

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, padavano.joe wrote:
>
> While Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo (who
> needs a shorter tag line)

HEY! SORRY MAN!

Ray
87

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:34:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, CRuper1 wrote:

> In a message dated 97-12-11 19:58:30 EST, you write:>
> I suppose there are good reasons why my car has 2.29's in it....  to go on 
the
> Power Tour.  Actually, I've kinda tinkered with the idea, but it'd take some
> planning since we have 2 kids (2.5 yrs, and 7 yrs.) who would be in school at
> the time.  That, plus the fact that I'd have to drive from Illinois out, then
> back (yes, I'm interested in doing a "full tour").  Maybe this coming year
> I'll just hop on the tail end (drive down to St. Louis, or something like
> that), then follow it up to Mich., and then I'll work on that "full tour"
> thing in a few years.  Hmmm..., just thinking...., when is the Power Tour
> supposed to be?, and when are the spring Nat'ls. in Springfield?  Conflicting
> dates possibly?  I'm not sure what the dates for both are (off-hand, at
> least).
>
> Chris Ruper
>

There were a few families last year.  I think that's a great family
vacation.  A good reason for the kids to miss school, too.  uh?


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:45:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: G-body model

Continuing with the GN talk.  Before I got my first Olds, I was debating
between the Cutlass and the Regal.  After some aesthetic pondering, I
decided that I prefered the twin grill/vertical tail lights of the Olds,
so that's what I went with.  Looks, of course were not the only deciding
factor.  I almost bought a GN.  It was an 87 for $3500, totally straight,
low miles, two owners, good paint, etc.
BUT, its good paint was PURPLE and it had an Chevy 350!  I drove the car
and it was really quick, perhaps quicker than the turbo 6.  When I'm rich,
I will have a few Grand Nationals, and one of them will lose the V6.  I'm
not really into that whole idea.  It's definitely really cool that Buick
did it so well, but I think the car would have been cooler if they put a
H.O. Buick V8 in it.  At least they weren't lame and put a Chevy V8 in it
though.  But I couldn't get over the purpleness of it, so I settled for an
86 Brougham, 307, 68K, etc. with performance and all that considered last.
I definitely enjoyed that car until my I had a collision with a big block
67 Falcon, driven by a drunk friend of mine.

Related question:
The 80's Cutli that have V6's are that same Buick 231, right?
I wonder about this and wonder if it is the same engine, why have I never
heard of anyone Grand Nationalizing a Cutlass?  Anyone know about this?

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:47:30 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: I almost had a 71

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> >Let me know if I'm a fool or the other guy is please.  Over the summer i
> >went to look at a 71 Cutlass S convertible that was for sale.  I was
>  [snip of description of trashed convertible]
> >top down and stuff like that.  Anyway, this guy was asking $4500 for this
> >car.  I realize that this car is valuable and all, but that much for the
> >shape it was in?  Is he nuts?  Thanks
>
> He's nuts. Maybe somebody else is nuts as well, and actually paid that
> price, but I think the seller was just dreaming. If it was a
> matching-numbers 4-spd 442 convertible, then maybe, but just an "S" with
> major rust? No, sounds more like $1000.

I figure when I'm home again this summer, the car will still be sitting
there.  Maybe he'll come down $1000/summer, so I'll buy it sometime around
July 2001.

> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:59:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: HO ?

went to a lot with my buddy to look at a 85 HO for $1800.  as i only have
pre 70 stuff i need some ? answered if someone can.
the car is straight and a white color with a 2 line pinstripe in black, it
has a HO emblem on the headlight header panel and no other HO markings in
or out, it does say cutlass salon on sail panels and on the dash, it has
hurst lightening rod shift rods, blue interior, T tops, non functioning
A/C, P/W, PDL, AM/FM cassette, 5 chrome w/black centers SS wheels

the engine has no stamped numbers on the left side block pad
the only casting stuff i could see on the front timing chain area was
?41911??  M
the VIN is 1G3GK47Y9FR383291
on the spec sheet in the trunk the only w was WL2 and there was F41
the trans code was OG

TIA
47rocket98

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:18:43 -0700
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: 455 build up on budget again

Dr. Barry wrote:

<You can use the 307's distributor; in fact, you could also use the 307's
<computer-controlled carb.

With the emissions laws up here in Alberta and their enforcment, I could do
whatever I want.  I don't plan to install catalitic convertors as I don't
have one on now.  I plan on a dual exaust so, just manifolds or headers,
two DynoMax Super Turbo mufflers and tailpipe.  When if comes to the carb,
it is not computer controled on my 307.  I have the carb from the 455 but
the 307 carb is freshly rebuilt and in great shape.  You say I can use
both, so what is the difference in flow.  If the 455 one is better, I am
willing to rebuild it.  The 307 carb has emisions hook-up and I am not sure
about the 455 carb.  As I mentioned earlier, I don't need any emission
control crap on so what can I do to reduce as much of it as posible to gain
more power (carb and overall engine emmisions)?  Should I consider getting
a different carb?
Also, I would be looking to shave a bit more then 2 sec of 0-60 (as it
sucks now), so should I go higher rear end then the 2:73 (not as high as
4:10 but maybe 3:23, 3:43 or not higher then 3:73), and/or a shift kit?.
Will it be worth the money?

Also, mentined by somebody else, 1976 Deltas with a tow package came with a
3:23 rear end.  My does not have that but rather 2:73(both Deltas).   Do
you know what other cars,   1977 and up  came with a tow package with such
a rear end or higher.  I would rather replace the entire rear-end with a
higher gears from say a Cust. Cruiser then just change the gears.  My rear
is a 10-bolt posi, so equalent would be needed.

Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 project
1981 Regancy 307 propane
1976 Delta 88 455
1995 Intrepid 3.3L

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:50:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Rumors and Aftermath

Karl used the uns*scr*be word and it bounced... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

There have been some rumors floating around that I was unsubscribing.

The people who have been perpetuating these rumors (including me) are wrong.
But then, a rumor is not a rumor if it does not die. (someone explain that to
me)

When I called AOL to cancel the 30day/50hour trial, they gave me a Christmas
bonus of an additional 30 days. Actually this is not suprising as they would
previously call back people who cancel after the freebie and offer 30 free
days. Much better from a marketing standpoint to assail the person who called
them with free stuff.   but anyway....

Two hour's work in the cold (and REALLY dark) and I managed to get my hood
latch back into a form and position from where it can function (because it
really sucks to accelerate to/beyond highway speeds at WOT with a hood that is
not secure!) It functions now, but it will still need to be replaced. Hood is
still a little bit askew, although I hope I can have that straightened out and
unbent, I did damage a considerable amount of hood trim. Mayhaps I shall look
for a rust free 1965 Dynamic 88 that does not run and use it for frame/sheet
metal.....

No! Never give up!

After all; "The needs of the one Oldsmobile restorer outweigh the needs of the
many." - K. Aune, 1997

Well, I have got all this free online time. I had oughta get started catchin'
up on the Email. Fortunately there are a number of holidays coming up.......

P.S. Not to harsh on anyone or sound preachy, but I have always worn my seat
belt, and I have never been sorry that I did. 'Nuff said.

Karl Aune
Chicago, IL

1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan (many love marks)

Just call me "crash."    (I guess.)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:00:09 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: HO ?

Jack Karamanos wrote:
>
> went to a lot with my buddy to look at a 85 HO for $1800.  as i only have
> pre 70 stuff i need some ? answered if someone can.
> the car is straight and a white color with a 2 line pinstripe in black, it
> has a HO emblem on the headlight header panel and no other HO markings in
> or out, it does say cutlass salon on sail panels and on the dash, it has
> hurst lightening rod shift rods, blue interior, T tops, non functioning
> A/C, P/W, PDL, AM/FM cassette, 5 chrome w/black centers SS wheels
>
> the engine has no stamped numbers on the left side block pad
> the only casting stuff i could see on the front timing chain area was
> ?41911??  M
> the VIN is 1G3GK47Y9FR383291
> on the spec sheet in the trunk the only w was WL2 and there was F41
> the trans code was OG
>
This is what you're looking at.  A Cutlass Salon, with the 307 V-8,
beefy suspension.  This car IS an 85, but it is NOT an H/O.  There were
no H/Os in 85.  They were replaced that year with the 442 option, W42.
The Lightning Rods were added instead of the standard shifter.  The L/Rs
weren't available in 85.  (I know, I asked when I ordered mine)  The "Y"
engine code says it ain't an H/O or 442.  Even if it were a 442 in H/O
clothes, it would have 442 badges on the door panels, and a "9" in the
VIN where the "Y" is.  Cutlass Salon badges are found NOWHERE on the car
on a 442.  The 442 trans code was "OZ" as well as 83/84 H/Os, so IMHO,
somebody just added H/O emblems to the car.

For $1800 though, it's worth a look for sure!  If it's as clean and
straight as you say, and if you like it, go for it!
- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:13:58 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Engine color

> Ref: Mike Schlottman with Black Engine
>
> My answer would be that 99.99% of the reasonable persons couldn't care less
> what color their replacement engine is. They just want it to work. If the
> cosmetics of your engine compartment are important to you, you will most
> likely have to see to it yourself. I'm sure the Mike Rothe's of the world 
will
> gladly repaint and detail your engine but you will pay dearly.

?????  Who said ~I~ was gonna repaint anyone ELSE'S engine bay???  I
ALMOST was gonna take offense to that.  You act like I'm the one who put
the engine in the man's car.  Rest assured, I don't own an auto
business, but I've been at the wrong end of contracts before, either
written or verbal.  Just stating the facts, and trying to help others
learn by my own personal mistakes.  I've learned one thing along the
way.  Make sure that YOU and the SELLER are in TOTAL agreement on what
services are expected up front.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:01:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: The one that got away

RC, you're bouncing again... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: The one that got away

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> wrote:
>>Does anyone else have a story about an Olds that they
coulda/shoulda/woulda bought, but for some reason didn't>

Here's one that I'm still trying to "reel in".  Haven't lost it yet though;

A few miles from my house there's a 1968 Cutlass S which has been sitting a
L-O-N-G time.  The plate has an 88' registration sticker, so I'm assuming
it's been there 10+ years.  The car is rough but ALL stock and totally
complete.  I left a note on the person's house, but no response yet.
<<(Hmmm, going to make me work for this one are ya?)>>

I want to "invest" and buy it as a parts car because;

Again, totally complete and stock, with a 350.  Rear seat looks original
and is in EC, hood and front grill are perfect, even has 2 headlights with
"T8" on them ;), dash pad is in EC, rest of dash and interior is in GC
except for carpet, front bench seat, and headliner.  Outside body parts may
be usable, but have rust in the usual places.  Not bad though considering
it's a MI car!

I'll keep everyone updated.  Hopefully, I can track down the owner over my
time off this holiday.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:52:13 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: I almost had a 71

Yes, he is nuts, and drunk, apparently.

>  I realize that this car is valuable and all, but that much for the
>shape it was in?  Is he nuts?  Thanks

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:03:11 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: big wires

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> >
> > My olds likes to listen to Al Green, with the four 6*9's and four 15' inch
> > woofers in the back, with four gauge power wire supplying the juice to my
> > system.
> > ===================
> > Dang, I was wiring an ABS motor durability tester, we only use ª8 wire for
> > their power. Now, the 1000A power supply I just whipped up, that has "500
MCM" > > wires to power the Unit Under Test. That's about 1.00" of fine-strand
copper > > wire. About 1.2" outer dia. w/ insulation. Damn heavy, too. > > I
guess it'd be tough to strip with a pair of wire cutters, eh? > > The bigger
the wire, the higher the resistance....right?  With the > system I'm running in
the '78 Delta, I've got 20 feet of 8ga. power > wire, which is more than
adequate for the 200 watts I'm pushing right > now.  I wanted to use 4ga.
because I plan to upgrade in the future, but > I was told that it would make my
system less efficient (while I'm only > running the one Sony EXM-502). > > I
guess that's why a pair of speakers (or more) will sound better when > running 
a
2 ohm resistance as opposed to 4 ohm.  I guess that makes the > old 10 ohm
speakers look rather antiquated... > >
----------------------------------------- > S. Dave Ward
(mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net) > > '78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.) > '85 Delta 88
R.B.   (307 4bbl.) > '91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI) > > (Ennismore, Ontario,
CANADA)

- -------------

If your going to upgrade to 4ga. for power cable, get neoprene welding
cable from a supply house. Its the same stuff as the fancy cable
avaiable in the stereo stores but, without the shiny insulation. That
type of cable although still 4ga. remains ultra flexable because it's
made up of many very fine strands. More strands is what will gives you
overall lower resistance. Try to use good crimp connections and insulate
them well, in certain applications its better than solder because your
not intoducing a third type of matrerial into the circuit. As for the
speaker cable, I haven't seen many street systems that needed more than
12ga., again, get the very fine stranded for this to.

Speakers running at 2ohm rather then 4ohm will sound louder but, make
very sure the amp your using is stable to a 2ohm load, or it will burn
up nicely! Again in most applications, 4ohm drivers will perform
extremly well. For the average system, you'd be better off configuring
it to equal 4ohms all the way around.

Finally, keep in mind, a system is only as strong as its weakest link.
If eveything is beefed up, you will also need to consider an upgraded
alternator (one that maintains its high output when hot, most
alternators will drop as their temp goes up) and battery maybe even two!
Trust me, been there, done that, smoked it!

* next week we'll talk crossovers !

- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:14:42 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:43:47 -0500 (EST) Robert Barry
<RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu> writes:

>What size bolt pattern was found on the '67 Deltas? I ask because the
>factory promo shots show the car wearing SSII rims. So maybe there are
>some
>prototypes around.
>


           My '66 Delta has the 5 on 5 bolt pattern.
      E.J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:27:16 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Chill dude!




rayc@U.Arizona.EDU on 12/11/97 05:08:03 PM

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On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> Well, a while back I had asked how much an 85 Olds Cultass 442 with a
> transplanted 455 would be worth, he was asking $2500.00 Well, I was
> in the process of getting the loan, and the bank dragged there feet
> too long and now it belongs to some guy in chicago who is
> driving it for a "winter beater", the original owner told me the  guy
> told him he didn't want to bang up his new Mazda durring the winter
> months....The one that got away.

WHAT!?!  THAT GUY NEEDS A SERIOUS BEATING!  ANYONE LIVE IN CHICAGO OR WANT
TO GO THERE WITH ME TO FIND THIS GUY?  WE'LL KICK HIS A*S IN FRONT OF HIS
WIFE AND STEAL HIS CAR.

>
> 1977 Olds Cutlass 350 4bbl
> 1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Fax (815) 235-6130
> Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
>
Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:28:27 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: runaway engine

Ron,

That is very cool!

Nice Car!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv




R4C442@aol.com on 12/11/97 05:05:29 PM

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Subject:  Re: runaway engine




Hey list gang,
    Some food for thought involving the runaway engine syndrome.....suppose
you're driving a diesel...what then,hmm?
                                                       Ron Forsee
                                                       65 442-Meister
P.S. When talking about Olds V-8 sound, don't forget to tune in mine at the
Bryceman's site...no need to make do with Beach Boy Ch*vy noise when the
real
thing is downloadable for your listening pleasure!

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:33:34 -0800
From: "dan cox" <peachyst@earthlink.net>
Subject: Fw:

- ----------
> From: dan cox <peachyst@earthlink.net>
> To: majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 5:37 PM
>
>
>
> ----------
> > From: dan cox <peachyst@earthlink.net>
> > To: majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: my '60 olds in movie debut
> > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 5:18 PM
> >
> > dear friends - my '60 olds will be appearing in an hbo movie next
spring.
>
> > it's called "poodle springs" and it stars james caan and david keith
and
> > some up and comers from tv.  it's the teal blue 4 - door;  also, my
black
> > '61 lincoln continental had a few days as well.  we were also dressed
up
> as
> > extras, and did the usual extra stuff, like street background.  i met
mr.
> > caan, briefly, and got his autograph on a press booklet for an old film
> he
> > was in called "redline 7000".
> > at the rate of $125/day, so-so, but it helps with my auto-obsession.
> > have a nice holiday, and see you all at the national in springfield
next
> > july
> > driver dan cox
> > los angeles

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:41:38 +0000
From: "Rick Copithorne" <Richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: New England Power Tour

Ray they have not set the dates yet but when They do i will be sure
to Post them here.
1964 Olds 442 F-85
Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:53:18 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (my take on the subject)

AEROTECH wrote:
>
> At 10:26 PM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote:
> >  I wasn't slamming anybody, i was just trying to ask that in the 70's.what
> >cars were the "hot rods" of the time. Not every high school kid could
> afford a
> >new/real muscle car at the time. I thought in the 70's people would hot rod
> >cars 20 years old.....or around the 50's
> >
>
> yeah your right, i guess then it was no different than today when evertone is
> driving mom and dad's car. nothing has chaged people just the cars. except
> now teh hot rods are disguised as pocket rockets == Olds Quad 4

Heh heh heh..  Not always...  I get the feeling that today's hot rods to
the 20 year olds area isn't a big block blown 455, or a souped up 36
Chevy.  In fact to me is seems like motors are farthest from the "hot
rodding" kids style...  Today it's more speakers, amps, head units...
All sandwiched in the interiors of Saturns, Hondas, little jap jobs.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:07:09 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Olds & Youth(long)

My  first love was a 71 Cutlass S at the ripe old age of 15.5.
My dad got the car from a friend and first owner. Metallic orange w/white
stripe down the hood, white vinyl top, white interior, SSIII's, 350 2-bbl
with duals & glasspacks. I had it painted Maroon (stupid) put gold Cragar
SS wheels on it, slapped on a set air shocks and up it went! I ended up
trading it and moving into my Pontiac phase, 2 78 Trans Ams and a beautiful
1 owner 70 Firebird and I've returned to my senses. Ahh the dumb things we
do in our youth

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv




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     My first car was a 72 Cutlass Supreme.I bought the car when i was 15
years old. My fater had a 72 Cutlass S which he bought from the neighbor
who
was the original owner. My father co-worker had a son who went to a
mechanic
school in Ilionis. My car was one that was donated for the class to work
on.
The school was upgrading the fleet of cars for the students to work on.
This
car was for sale for $200. It was a 2 door,auto,350, buckets and floor
shift.
Came in grey primer and most of the wiring harnesses were exposed. I spent
the
winter putting it back right. I had it painted forest green with gold
pearl.
It was a great car to drive around. I had big plans for the car but wrecked
it
when i was 17.   I parted the car out ( i got hit from behind) and made
some
money on it. I passed up a lot of newer Cutlasses becuase i wanted another
72.
I found my next Cutlass at a Revco parking lot. This is a true story. I put
a
note under the wiper arm that said ' i would like to but this car. Call me
if
it is ever for sale". A year later, i got a call from the elderly owner.
Come
over and make an offer. It was a 72 Supreme,350 auto. nothing special car.
It
had 48,000 miles on it. I bought that one for $1800. I drove it every day
and
went to alot of cruiser nights at the local hang outs like Big Boys.
Several
years past, i got laid off. Needing money, i sold the car for $4000. Wish i
still had it. This time around i want a 72 convertable!  By the way, i am
26.......thanks for reading.....SCOTT.  90 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:18:46 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Clarification: A-body rear brake swap

Did the installation onto my '67 CS. Easy as pie, just like you said.

Now if I could just figure why my trans mount doesn't line up I could run the
car and tell you how they work!

Peter
CoupeKing

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:25:17 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Funny story

Hi all,

Yesterday, while on my way back home from work in my 82 DRB I was
behind "Mr. Cool" ;-) in his dual exhaust late 90's Fod Rust-ing
(spelling intentional here).  As we approached a transition offramp
from one freeway to another he thought he was cute by cornering the
on ramp at a speed beyond that which was posted.  Well I couldn't
let that one proceed without a little response on my part.  Even though
I kept up with him around the bend, what was more humorous was the
pensive look this guy had as he viewed his rear view mirror (Yea I
was close enough to see the look on his face without TGing him).  I
can just imagine what was going through his head.  "What does this
guy have in that car?!" or "What kind of car is that?"  Well it made
my day.  When we were both on the second freeway and as I passed him
I am sure he thought "An Oldsmobile?!".  Yea right buddy!  Is my
exhaust bugging you?

Voice from behind Chris saying:
  "Chris, snap out of it, Chris, Chris...."

I guess I am having 442 withdrawls.  Can't wait to get my 442 fixed.
The DRB is not too bad as long as I don't drive it in "D".

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:32:29 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Re: The one that got away

RC,

My 68 442 Conv had 86 plates & inspection sticker on it & 3 orig T ª
headlights!

Sounds cool, snag it!

Scott Wheeler

68442 Conv




ab348@chebucto.ns.ca on 12/12/97 07:01:25 AM

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RC, you're bouncing again... forwarding.
Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:     mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: The one that got away
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> wrote:
>>Does anyone else have a story about an Olds that they
coulda/shoulda/woulda bought, but for some reason didn't>
Here's one that I'm still trying to "reel in".  Haven't lost it yet though;
A few miles from my house there's a 1968 Cutlass S which has been sitting a
L-O-N-G time.  The plate has an 88' registration sticker, so I'm assuming
it's been there 10+ years.  The car is rough but ALL stock and totally
complete.  I left a note on the person's house, but no response yet.
<<(Hmmm, going to make me work for this one are ya?)>>
I want to "invest" and buy it as a parts car because;
Again, totally complete and stock, with a 350.  Rear seat looks original
and is in EC, hood and front grill are perfect, even has 2 headlights with
"T8" on them ;), dash pad is in EC, rest of dash and interior is in GC
except for carpet, front bench seat, and headliner.  Outside body parts may
be usable, but have rust in the usual places.  Not bad though considering
it's a MI car!
I'll keep everyone updated.  Hopefully, I can track down the owner over my
time off this holiday.
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:37:37 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: big wires HEY BILL!

Bill/3 Sticks

Question...I've got a decent system to put in my 68 442 Conv, but I would
like to keep the orig (working) AM radio in the dash, and still use the
AM/FM Kenwood indash unit, CD changer, 2-amps, healthy Sony 6x9's & killer
Stillwater designs in dash speakers without anything being visible.

How should I mount the 6x9's to get decent sound quality & not destroy the
interior?

Lemmeknow!

Thanx!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:47:53 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Auction in Woodbury, TN

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I am going to an auction involving some parts cars in Woodbury, TN on =
the 20 of this month.  This is relatively near Murfresboro.  The list of =
Olsds cars is:

    58 Starfire, 2 dr. H/T, no ft. fender
    56 88, 4 dr. sedan, W/M, trans., P/B, good parts
    64 Olds, 4 bar., 400 Turbo, 4 dr., A/C, P/S
    65 Cutlass, 350, 4 bar., 2 dr. H/T, P/S, P/B, Auto floor shift (no =
console), instr. & dash ok, rear lights & bumpers complete
    65 Cutlass 350, 4 Bar., 2 dr. sedan, no hood, bucket seats, dash =
good, body parts
    66 Cutlass 350, 4 Bar., A/C, P/B, P/S, air bod complete, factory =
bucket seats, dash complete, front good
    66 dymanic 88, old style engine, 4 dr.
    67 F85, 350, 2 Bar., P/S, P/B, 2 dr., 2 doors & front, dash complete
    70 Cutlass S, bucket seats, good bumper, 12 bolt
    73 Delta 88, 350, 2 Bar., 4 dr.,*blue dash light covers
    78 Olds, 260, A/C, P/S, P/B disc brakes, 350 turbo brake, no doors

If anyone is interested in any parts form these cars, the auction starts =
at 10:01 CST.  More cars can be seen at the web page - =
http://www.auctionweb.com/comas/971220/.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:52:09 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: 93 Achieva rear window defrost

> My rear window defroster (which includes the antenna) will
> only stay on for a couple of minutes, & then won't turn back
> on again for 10 or 15 minutes.  It's supposed to turn off
> automatically after about 10 minutes if you're going less
> than 50mph, but I could always turn it back on right away.
> Any ideas?

I think you have an overload somewhere that's tripping a breaker.
The usual rear defog timer is supposed to be something like
10-minutes first cycle, 5-minute sessions after that. It sounds
like you have a massive current flow that's popping the circuit
breaker before the timer switches anything off.

Another possibility: you might check and see if the wrong
rating of circuit breaker has been installed, and it simply
overloads in a short time. For a dead short I would think it
would blow right away, and from what you're telling us, that
is not happening.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:07:07 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

The 3.0 version of the FAQ says that the JJ stamping may indicate Hurst
Olds
rims.  That 06 08 85 looks like a date so I guess they can't be H/O rims
since 84 was the last year for the H/O.

     Speaking of SSIIIs, I was wondering if the wheels used on the 77
Delta
     88 Indy Pace car replicas used a 5 on 5 bolt pattern or a 5 on 4
3/4
     pattern?  Were there _any_ SSII/SSIII rims with a 5 on 5 bolt
pattern?
- --
The JJ stamping is somewhat wrong unfortunately. There was a post a
couple of months ago that pointed out some other identifying mark for
the H/O wheels. I can't find it now. I'll post is again if I find it.
Anyone with archives might want to check. I suspected JJ wasn't enough
when I found eight of 'em!

I believe there were 5x5 SSII and III's for the full size produced.
_Setting the Pace_ has a number of photos of full sizers, up through the
80's, with SS wheels on them. There seems to also be a number of nice
all chrome versions as well. Marketing only? Maybe, but I've seen some
from time to time. There's also the 5x5 SS wheel seen on many '78 to '81
Holiday 88's, although I've seen them on non Holiday's. I think the
chassis manual has a picture list of each wheel offered that model year.
Could be the body manual.

There's a yard near me with a '78 with sort of beat up SSIIIs. No trim
rings, $15 a piece. Won't take $10. Should I sharf 'em?
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:01:33 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: RE:  weld brake drums?

Which brings me to my point:  for the small 5-bolt pattern, how many
different brake drums are there?

I can get tonnes of mid-70's rear-drums off 74-76 cutlass / nova / etc......
 Are 74-80ish rear drums gonna fit onto my 71 front brakes?????   As far as
cracking them, pre-heated and being slightly built-up with a medium-high
quality rod should be OK for getting them smooth, but I never thought of
wear characterstics..  Perhaps if I knew the grade of steel a drum is made
out of, I could do it (If it doesn't work, increased brake-wear should be
the only bad result, and then I'd have to get new ones......)

I reccomend a brake-drum-sizes section be FAQ-ed, but I'm short on the
knowledge to do it (after all, any old car pulled from a wrecking-yard for
restoring will likely need drums turned, unless they've been turned to
they're maximum already.)

Looking forward to the conlcusion on this....

===================
Yeeeesh, even *I* would never attempt that. It'd be outrageously expensive,
it'd probably crack 'em anyhow, and the hardness and wear characteristics
would
be uncontrollable & unpredictable. you'd be miles ahead if parts were
unavailable to just adapt pcs from another application.
 --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

=====================
If I can't find free brake drums, I've
always wanted to try and build up an old set with weld, then get them
machined, has anyone ever attempted such a crazy scheme??

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:33:04 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Too much mail

Remember that digest delivery of the messages on this Mail List Server
is available. Receiving the messages in that form will cut the 100
mesasges a day down to one or two.

What is digest delivery?
It's a collection of messages from the mail list. Each digest is 60 KB
or so. You get one or two a day. I have about four waiting on Monday.

What are the pros and cons?
Pros: You remain on the list, the best source for Olds info on the
Internet&153;. Traffic to your mailbox is reduced. This can help with
flakey mail systems. You can read (or delete) through the messages
faster.

Cons: It's harder to read a complete thread of messages at once (or
delete at once :}). Now you have to read through one long message at a
time. I've actually found these not to be a problem after trying digest
delivery for a week.

HOW DO I GET DIGEST DELIVERY?
Follow these steps:
    1) Send a message with unsubscribe oldsmobile in the body (not
       subject) to mailto:majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca

    2) Send a mesasge with subscribe oldsmobile-digest in the body
       (not subject) to mailto:majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca

Digest delivery is described in the introductory message you received
upon subscribing to the Olds Mail List Server. Unsubscribing information
is detailed there as well. Hope this helps.
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:25:28 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: The two that got away (Was "The one that got away)

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> wrote:
> Does anyone else have a story about an Olds that they
> coulda/shoulda/woulda bought, but for some reason didn't, and has
> regretted that decision ever since?

*******************
About 15 years ago a local retired Oldsmobile dealership owner passed away.
He had owned the dealership for about 30 years, and I had helped him both
find and dispose of parts and information for older Oldsmobiles for a few
years prior to his retirement.  A couple of months after the funeral, his
widow called to offer me his 1936 Olds 2-door sedan.  The car was in good
physical and mechanical condition, although it was not really a restored
car and wasn't a show piece.  The asking price was $3,500, which I really
didn't have at the time.  Also, since we already had our '79 Hurst/Olds and
a 1951 Kaiser, I wasn't interested in any other "extra" cars at the time.
So, I passed on the offer, even though she obviously really wanted me to
have the car.  So much so, that I'm sure I could have paid for it over a
reasonable period of time, probably even at no interest.  I really should
have sold the Hurst/Olds right then, and taken the '36.

About 20 years ago the Chevrolet store in Dearborn had a 1950 Oldsmobile 76
4-door sedan on their used car lot.  It was a 45,000 mile car that was
solid and all original, and showing only the wear that the mileage would
lead you to expect.  As I recall, the asking price was $2,800, but I'm sure
that they quickly would have shaved $500 or so off that.  It took me a
couple of week of thinking about it, to decide that I really would like to
have the car.  By then unfortunately, it had been sold.

I saw the same car for sale again, three years later.  It had been
subjected to three years of use as a daily driver, and the engine was
broken.  The body was still solid though, so the car was definately still
restorable.  In non-running condition, the asking price was still $1,800,
and I didn't need a project.  So I passed on it again.  I've always kind of
regretted not acting quicker on my first chance to buy the car, but have
really felt sorry for the car and not myself when considering my passing up
on the second chance to take it home.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:26:00 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Quad 4 performance

Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>There are many different flavors of the Quad4, from the anemic 150hp low
output, to the W-41 Quad4, which put out 190 hp (the highest
horsepower/cubic inch  production engine on the market when introduced).<

The Quad 4 H.O. version with a 5-speed is a great combination.  The Quad 4
with a 3-speed automatic is a real dog, especially in a W-car application.
The Quad 4 needs to be revved high to generate horsepower and in the
automatic application, the revs are too low  much of the time and it feels
like a real slug.  The Quad 4 is not like a V-8, where the torque peak is
in the 2000-3000 RPM range.  Its peak is above 4500 RPM so you have to keep
the revs up.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:35:55 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Peeling Out

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net> wrote:
> The Boss (429 Mustang) was cool...  Only car I've played with that
> peeled both tires (Posi) clear into second and chirped into 3rd, if the
> pedal was mashed....

******************
Jerry,

You should play with a W-30.  The '72 which I had would spin the G60x14
tires on it all the way through first gear, about two car lengths going
into second, and chirp them going into third.  And that was with a stock
low compression (300 horsepower rating) 455, through an OW-code automatic
and a 3.42 posi rear end.  I can only imagine what a "real" W30 from 1970
(370 horsepower) would do to the rear tires.

By the way, your description makes it sound as if the Mustang you're
describing had an automatic transmission too.  If that was the case, I
don't believe that it would have been a real, or at least original Boss.  I
believe that both the Boss 302s and Boss 429s were available only with
either a wide or close ratio 4 speed manual transmission.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:25:47 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Quad 4 head gaskets

Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>I've got a '93 Achieva SCX with the H.O. Quad 4 that I am doing a head
gasket on at 77,000 miles.  The vehicle has been meticulously maintained by
me since new, so I'm wondering if this is a common problem with the Quad
4.<

There is a service bulletin which covers the head gasket replacement on
Quad 4 engines.  It must be replaced following the revised procedure or you
will suffer another failure.  I will have to see if I can find the bulletin
and post the number.  I have yet to see a H.O. Quad 4 make 100,000 miles
without a head gasket replacement.  Note the regular Quad 4 does not seem
to be afflicted as much with this problem.  I guess horsepower in a small
package comes at a price.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:00:38 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Are these SSIIIs something special?

I got a better look, compared the wheel with the picture.  It looks like
the
holes in the wheels come to a sharper point than the wheels pictured in
the
year one catalog.  (does that make sense?)  Sound like a chevy wheel?

     Yep.  That's the one.  Sold by the millions (?) on Montes, Camaros,
     Malibus (Malibues?  Malibi?), El Caminos, etc.
- ----------
The Olds SS wheels went to a "sharp" bezel corner sometime in the 80's.
I think this is more pronounced on the chrome bezel piece than the
cutout in the steel wheel.
- --
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:13:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (my take on the subject)

jerry,

im not so sure about the stereos in the new cars.  i got rid of mine
because i live in new york and it saves on weight.  All of us just want
to launch these pocket rockets.  Lets have one of these rice burners step
up to me with their stereo, ill be the one that sounds good from the 7000
rpms going through the flowmasters.  thats REAL sound for my ears, its
also a sight for my eyes because hell be in my mirror.

shaun

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Jerry Christopher wrote:

> AEROTECH wrote:
> >
> > At 10:26 PM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote:
> > >  I wasn't slamming anybody, i was just trying to ask that in the 
70's.what
> > >cars were the "hot rods" of the time. Not every high school kid could
> > afford a
> > >new/real muscle car at the time. I thought in the 70's people would hot 
rod
> > >cars 20 years old.....or around the 50's
> > >
> >
> > yeah your right, i guess then it was no different than today when evertone
is > > driving mom and dad's car. nothing has chaged people just the cars.
except > > now teh hot rods are disguised as pocket rockets == Olds Quad 4 > >
Heh heh heh..  Not always...  I get the feeling that today's hot rods to > the
20 year olds area isn't a big block blown 455, or a souped up 36 > Chevy.  In
fact to me is seems like motors are farthest from the "hot > rodding" kids
style...  Today it's more speakers, amps, head units... > All sandwiched in the
interiors of Saturns, Hondas, little jap jobs. >

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:20:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 performance

steve,
what are you talking about the low output quad is a dog?  my brother has
an 88 LO q4 and despite his abuse and no maintenence it can hold its own
against quite a few(not to say its a ferrari either)  right now the car
is on the fritz and she dosent look good, she might have to go in for
head gasket surgeory.  either way it served its purpose for many years
and its still running.  Well my 89 Now thats a whole different story!!  I
must say though those new neon dohc's dont look to shabby either for any
four banger enthusiest, watch out mustang a neon with a little work can
match a 4.6 gt.  Im not suprised.  the only reference to a dog to be made
about my calais is that you scare it and itll bite back HARD!!

shaun

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Steve Ochs wrote:

> Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >There are many different flavors of the Quad4, from the anemic 150hp low
> output, to the W-41 Quad4, which put out 190 hp (the highest
> horsepower/cubic inch  production engine on the market when introduced).<
>
> The Quad 4 H.O. version with a 5-speed is a great combination.  The Quad 4
> with a 3-speed automatic is a real dog, especially in a W-car application.
> The Quad 4 needs to be revved high to generate horsepower and in the
> automatic application, the revs are too low  much of the time and it feels
> like a real slug.  The Quad 4 is not like a V-8, where the torque peak is
> in the 2000-3000 RPM range.  Its peak is above 4500 RPM so you have to keep
> the revs up.
>
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
> Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
> The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
> statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
> '97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
> '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6
>

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