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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, December 13 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1006



Re: Too much mail
Re: 6sp\442, dist cap
Re: Clarification: A-body rear brake swap
1/98 Hot Rod Issue
DUCK!!!
Re: wheel grease part 2
Quad 4 head gaskets
re: The one that got away
RE:  weld brake drums?
Re: Peeling Out
power tour
Re: Quad 4 performance
Re: Peeling Out
Re: sounds (my take on the subject)
ADMIN: Excessive Re-Quoting
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Cool sounds!
RE: The one that got away
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª1005
ISP Problems
Re: The one that got away
[none]
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
Re: runaway engine
Re: The one that got away
Re: The one that got away
weight of a 455
Re: The one that got away
ISP Problems
looking for a 455
Re: Funny story
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª1005
Re: Peeling Out
Re: power tour

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:29:16 -0500
From: "Tracey Monske x4794" <monske@ct.picker.com>
Subject: Re: Too much mail

I don't want Digest Delivery; I want NO DELIVERY AT ALL!!!  While I like
Oldmobiles, I am not a "car nut" and really do not want to take any time out
from work to scan through & make sure the mail is not from someone here.
TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST -- PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE!!!


On 12 Dec 97 at 10:33, David Brown wrote:

> Remember that digest delivery of the messages on this Mail List Server
> is available. Receiving the messages in that form will cut the 100
> mesasges a day down to one or two.
>
> What is digest delivery?
> It's a collection of messages from the mail list. Each digest is 60 KB
> or so. You get one or two a day. I have about four waiting on Monday.
>
> What are the pros and cons?
> Pros: You remain on the list, the best source for Olds info on the
> Internet&153;. Traffic to your mailbox is reduced. This can help with
> flakey mail systems. You can read (or delete) through the messages
> faster.
>
> Cons: It's harder to read a complete thread of messages at once (or
> delete at once :}). Now you have to read through one long message at a
> time. I've actually found these not to be a problem after trying digest
> delivery for a week.
>
> HOW DO I GET DIGEST DELIVERY?
> Follow these steps:
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>
>     2) Send a mesasge with subscribe oldsmobile-digest in the body
>        (not subject) to mailto:majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca
>
> Digest delivery is described in the introductory message you received
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> is detailed there as well. Hope this helps.
> --
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> Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:40:33 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: 6sp\442, dist cap

>In a message dated 97-12-09 18:27:53 EST, you write:
>
><< there was an article in hot rod or pop hot rod or r&c about an install of
> a t-56?  >>
>just thought id add this in.  i ran my '78 cutlass with a 355 in a drag racing
>program recently with a 6 speed tranny just for kicks.  heh, i hooked up my
>280 or so hp engine with the tranny and 5.68 gears and it ran 12.94 @ 103
>miles per hour!!!  ha ha ha!!  what a blast!!!

6-speed in a G-body?  Seriously?  Do tell!  I'd like to put a manual in my
80 calais but I understand clutch forks for these cars are hard to come by.
And to think, I had one located last year but they crushed the car before I
could get to it.  :(    Did you find a more common application that would
fit?  Use a hydralulic clutch?

But anyway I'd like to hear how it's done....And do you have an extra G-body
clutch fork lying around?
For sale?

Thanks

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:01:54 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Clarification: A-body rear brake swap

>Did the installation onto my '67 CS. Easy as pie, just like you said.

Glad to hear it was as easy as I remembered.  (Actually as easy as my dad
remembered.  I got called into work that weekend and he did the final
install on the Vista Cruiser and buttoned it all up for me.)

BTW, for anyone else trying this, If I remeber correctly it's possible to
remove and install the 11 inch backing plates without removing the shoes or
any mechanical hardware.  Makes packing 'em out of a junkyard a lot easier.

Sorry I forgot to mention that in my original post peter.  Hope you didn't
have too much trouble re-assembleing the brakes without an assembled side to
check youself by.

>Now if I could just figure why my trans mount doesn't line up I could run the
>car and tell you how they work!

Doh!  Sorry to hear that.  Never ceases to amaze me how old cars will always
find new and unique ways to make you frustrated enough to wanna eat beer
bottles to wind down.  (My snapped-in-two distributor misadventure sill
haunts me. :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:05:58 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: 1/98 Hot Rod Issue

Hey,

Check out the 1/98 Hot rod Mag issue...
Cool reprint of Hot Rod Vol 1 Issue 1 as well as Oldsmoboogies on pages 18
(74 Cutlass yanking the front wheels north), Brock Yates personal Olds
(used as a towtruck!), an outrageous 78 442 witha blown 403 on a Toronado
trasaxle where the back seat used to be! And the 83 Warren Johnson/Miss
Olds-Linda Vaughn H/O bracket racer cover car.

Also interesting olds stuff...Feb/March Musclecar Review Post
Exchange...little known fact about the Rallye 350

AND some great match-up races between some killer stockrods!

p.39 Joe Zielinski's 68 H/O dogs a 71 GS 455
p.42 Darrel Detwiler's 71 442 lst to a 71 LT1 Vette thanks to roasting
rubber!
p.42 Casey Marks' 70 F-85 W-31in killer Metallic Green stomps a 69 Cuda

And in the finals...Charles Crooks 70 W-30 wins against a Torino...Not the
fastest car of the bunch but definitely one of the most consistent!

Hey, are any of these guys on this list?   Let us know if you're in print!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv-Dallas

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:08:28 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: DUCK!!!

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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:28:46 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: wheel grease part 2

Robert Barry wrote:

>Buy yourself a bearing packer>


AGREED!  I have and use one for my wheel bearings.  It does work great
Doc.  FYI Darren, year one sells them for about $10.00.  Nifty gadget.

- --
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:27:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Donald B Cart <dcart@micro.ti.com>
Subject: Quad 4 head gaskets

 I have the HO Quad 4 getting close to 100k and haven't had to replace
the head gasket (knock on wood). What are some symptoms of a head gasket
needing replacement ?

Don
'91 Calais HO Quad4

>There is a service bulletin which covers the head gasket replacement on
>Quad 4 engines.  It must be replaced following the revised procedure or you
>will suffer another failure.  I will have to see if I can find the bulletin
>and post the number.  I have yet to see a H.O. Quad 4 make 100,000 miles
>without a head gasket replacement.  Note the regular Quad 4 does not seem
>to be afflicted as much with this problem.  I guess horsepower in a small
>package comes at a price.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:43:59 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: re: The one that got away

BO (before Olds) my other love was Mopar.


In 1975, when I was 16, I went to see a local dealer with my grandfather
(who was a long time friend of my grandfather), and looked at a '66
Barracuda convertible. Sky blue, recent paint, good tires, 318, white top
and interior. Top would need replacing in a year or two. When asked how
much, he said "Come into my office" We sat down, he asked, " Is Brian buying
this?" "yes sir" I said. "Well let me see what I have in it."  He pulled a
big leather ledger book out of his desk, flipped through it, pulled out his
calculator and said, "It needs a brake booster, but you can pick one of
those up at a junkyard for 50 bucks. I've got $972 in it, and you can have
it certified for that." I went home to discuss it with my dad, and he said
no because it was a convertible. The dealer sold it later for 1700. I bought
a motorcycle and 3 months later nearly ended my life while riding it. The
reminders and hardware are with me today with every step I take.

On the other hand, one that didnt get away... Monday I will pick up my new
daily driver and parts fetcher - 82 F*rd PU 4X4 with an untouched in line 6
and 80,000 Km (50k miles). I'll squirt a new coat of paint on it over the
Christmas holidays and be driving it in January.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:09:35 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: RE:  weld brake drums?

>
>
>Which brings me to my point:  for the small 5-bolt pattern, how many
>different brake drums are there?
>
>I can get tonnes of mid-70's rear-drums off 74-76 cutlass / nova / etc......
> Are 74-80ish rear drums gonna fit onto my 71 front brakes?????   As far as
>cracking them, pre-heated and being slightly built-up with a medium-high
>quality rod should be OK for getting them smooth, but I never thought of
>wear characterstics..  Perhaps if I knew the grade of steel a drum is made
>out of, I could do it (If it doesn't work, increased brake-wear should be
>the only bad result, and then I'd have to get new ones......)
>
>I reccomend a brake-drum-sizes section be FAQ-ed, but I'm short on the
>knowledge to do it (after all, any old car pulled from a wrecking-yard for
>restoring will likely need drums turned, unless they've been turned to
>they're maximum already.)

FYI...JC whitney sells new brake drums for many cars including most oldses.
71 drums are listed at $26.00. I'm sure napa and most regional auto parts
chains sell them for a similar price.  Standard disclaimers apply, never
tried JC whitney or napa drums.  Junkyard drums are cheaper, but may times
they need turned anyway.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:04:58 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Peeling Out

I would imagine that most 70 W-30 owners that had G60x14's probably carried
a fire extinguisher to douse the rubber!

The only W-30 I had the opportunity to drive was a 71 with the reduced bhp
orig motor and even though it had nice radials 60's on it, it was difficult
to keep traction in the rear under the lightest of foot!

Much fun...much $$$ in rubber!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv




tgstoner@umich.edu on 12/12/97 10:35:55 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Peeling Out





On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net> wrote:
> The Boss (429 Mustang) was cool...  Only car I've played with that
> peeled both tires (Posi) clear into second and chirped into 3rd, if the
> pedal was mashed....
******************
Jerry,
You should play with a W-30.  The '72 which I had would spin the G60x14
tires on it all the way through first gear, about two car lengths going
into second, and chirp them going into third.  And that was with a stock
low compression (300 horsepower rating) 455, through an OW-code automatic
and a 3.42 posi rear end.  I can only imagine what a "real" W30 from 1970
(370 horsepower) would do to the rear tires.
By the way, your description makes it sound as if the Mustang you're
describing had an automatic transmission too.  If that was the case, I
don't believe that it would have been a real, or at least original Boss.  I
believe that both the Boss 302s and Boss 429s were available only with
either a wide or close ratio 4 speed manual transmission.
Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:04:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: power tour

Yea i was also thinking about doing this power tour thing.  God knows
this quad can cruise at 100 for sustained periods.  I wouldnt doubt
anything with a four banger doing 135 top end.  Maybe if some of the
other q4 guys would be there we could sneak up and win it all.

shaun

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:48:06 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Quad 4 performance

I didn't know if anyone was aware of this...the S2000 class spec racer uses
Quad 4 motors exclusively...who says that 4banger don't go...ask the
SCCA..they love Olds motors!




smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu on 12/12/97 11:20:30 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: Quad 4 performance




steve,
what are you talking about the low output quad is a dog?  my brother has
an 88 LO q4 and despite his abuse and no maintenence it can hold its own
against quite a few(not to say its a ferrari either)  right now the car
is on the fritz and she dosent look good, she might have to go in for
head gasket surgeory.  either way it served its purpose for many years
and its still running.  Well my 89 Now thats a whole different story!!  I
must say though those new neon dohc's dont look to shabby either for any
four banger enthusiest, watch out mustang a neon with a little work can
match a 4.6 gt.  Im not suprised.  the only reference to a dog to be made
about my calais is that you scare it and itll bite back HARD!!
shaun
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Steve Ochs wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >There are many different flavors of the Quad4, from the anemic 150hp low
> output, to the W-41 Quad4, which put out 190 hp (the highest
> horsepower/cubic inch  production engine on the market when introduced).<
>
> The Quad 4 H.O. version with a 5-speed is a great combination.  The Quad
4
> with a 3-speed automatic is a real dog, especially in a W-car
application.
> The Quad 4 needs to be revved high to generate horsepower and in the
> automatic application, the revs are too low  much of the time and it
feels
> like a real slug.  The Quad 4 is not like a V-8, where the torque peak is
> in the 2000-3000 RPM range.  Its peak is above 4500 RPM so you have to
keep
> the revs up.
>
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
> Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
> The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
> statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
> '97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
> '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:00:29 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Peeling Out

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net> wrote:
> > The Boss (429 Mustang) was cool...  Only car I've played with that
> > peeled both tires (Posi) clear into second and chirped into 3rd, if the
> > pedal was mashed....
>
> By the way, your description makes it sound as if the Mustang you're
> describing had an automatic transmission too.

Well, my dad's 92 modified 5.0 was a spin-happy machine, too, but it had
the T-5 manual tranny.  My dad was a good stick driver, but even I could
light 'em up in first, break em loose in second and (powershifting) chrip
em in third.  Man, that was a fun car...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:49:20 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: sounds (my take on the subject)

why not have both? I will!




smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu on 12/12/97 11:13:02 AM

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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: sounds (my take on the subject)




jerry,
im not so sure about the stereos in the new cars.  i got rid of mine
because i live in new york and it saves on weight.  All of us just want
to launch these pocket rockets.  Lets have one of these rice burners step
up to me with their stereo, ill be the one that sounds good from the 7000
rpms going through the flowmasters.  thats REAL sound for my ears, its
also a sight for my eyes because hell be in my mirror.
shaun
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Jerry Christopher wrote:
> AEROTECH wrote:
> >
> > At 10:26 PM 12/11/97 EST, you wrote:
> > >  I wasn't slamming anybody, i was just trying to ask that in the
70's.what
> > >cars were the "hot rods" of the time. Not every high school kid could
> > afford a
> > >new/real muscle car at the time. I thought in the 70's people would
hot rod
> > >cars 20 years old.....or around the 50's
> > >
> >
> > yeah your right, i guess then it was no different than today when
evertone is
> > driving mom and dad's car. nothing has chaged people just the cars.
except
> > now teh hot rods are disguised as pocket rockets == Olds Quad 4
>
> Heh heh heh..  Not always...  I get the feeling that today's hot rods to
> the 20 year olds area isn't a big block blown 455, or a souped up 36
> Chevy.  In fact to me is seems like motors are farthest from the "hot
> rodding" kids style...  Today it's more speakers, amps, head units...
> All sandwiched in the interiors of Saturns, Hondas, little jap jobs.
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:37:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Excessive Re-Quoting

Please, folks, try to keep unecessary requoting of previous posts to a
minimum. It only takes a few seconds to cut a lot of unnecessary text out
of a reply, and we'd all appreciate the saved bandwidth. Take a look at
what someone asked me today:

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
BTW since I'm e-mailing you privately, can you briefly explain about
"bandwidth"?  Some guys seem to be a little paranoid about writing
longer posts which is sad.  What I mean is sometimes they tend to not go
into detail about helpful things.  Then say, "I don't want to use up too
much bandwidth".    HOWEVER...Many members totally disregard bandwidth
by re-posting an ~entire~ message(s) which is unnessesary.

- ---

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:45:37 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
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                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts:
Lots of new reproduction parts will be coming out in January.

66 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $1795.00
67 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $995.00
66 & 67 Track Pac kits (complete, just like the dealer option includes;
shroud, ducts, hoses, cam/lifters, battery accessories) Mar/Apr 98
____________________________________________________________________
66-67 330/320 hp Cutlass Engine (80,000 miles, complete, runs good)  $375.00
66-67 400/425 Intake Manifold  $75.00
65-67 400/425 Steel Crank (no pilot bushing hole, std)  $180.00
65-67 425 "D" Block std bore, small lifter bore  $150.00
350 Stick Cranks  $175.00 ea
66-67 442 "E" 400 cu in auto engine (apart, complete, std bore, nice)  $600.00
68-69 442 "G" 400 cu in stick engine (bal, blueprinted, mild cam, rebuilt)
$1000.00
64-67 Power Steering Setup pump&steering box (very good)  $85.00
64-67 Power Steering Bracket  $15.00
64-67 Alternator Brackets (A/C car)  $20.00 set
69-72 4 Row Radiator Top Plate (nice)  $65.00
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/o tilt)  *new*  $24.00
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/tilt) *new*  $22.00
71 W-30 "TO" Code 10 bolt 3.73:1 anti-spin (date code '352 70') mint  $650.00
75 Hurst Olds (Hurst Hatches) no bags  $175.00 pr
70-72 Lower A/C Vents (for 8 Track car, mint, black)  $90.00 pr
70-72 Dash Pad and Dash Plastic (radio area, green, mint)  $185.00
66-67 Toro Dual Snorkel Air cleaner  (mint) $50.00
67-68 Big Cars AM/FM Stereo (nice, works well)  $95.00
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $95.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
70 350 engine "7" heads (9000 miles, 10.0 comp, 328 stick cam)  $500.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
(6) Hurst Wheels 14x6 (5 on 4 3/4) nice  $2300.00
70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $130.00 ea
70-71 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (nice)  $155.00
72 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (mint restored)  $200.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr

****Lots of  66-68 Toronado Parts too.****

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
65 Cutlass/442 PO2 Deluxe Wheelcovers (N.O.S.)  $350.00
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $550.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $100.00
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $100.00
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  LH/RH rear $15.00 ea
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00
65-(early) 66 Plain Full Wheel Covers (4, mint)  $30.00

66 Cutlass/442
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $100.00
66 Cutlass Trunk Molding (very good)  $85.00
66 F-85 Deluxe Wheel Well Moldings (3, mint, missing RF)  $90.00 (3)
66-68 Bucket Seat Backs (2) and Sides (4) (metal, nice, black)  $75.00 all
66 Cutlass Tail Light Bezels (very good)  $85.00 pr
65-(early) 66 Plain Full Wheel Covers (4, mint)  $30.00
66 Turbine Full Wheel Covers (4) good  $80.00 set
66 Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $90.00 ea, 170.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $90.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
67 4 spd Speedometer Adapter (3.42 gears & 4spd)  $45.00
67 Cutlass Plain Full Hubcaps (4, mint)  $30.00
67 Plain Cutlass Holiday Hardtop interior door panels and rear sides (very
nice, blue/green) $85.00 set of 4
67 Cutlass Jetaway Trans (low miles, w/switch pitch converter)  $125.00
67 Cutlass/F-85 Grille Bar (very nice, no cracks, good chrome)  $45.00
67-69 Power Antenna assm (nice, no switch)  $45.00
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $100.00
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $45.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $90.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $90.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $165.00

68 Cutlass/442
68-69 Cutlass/442 Post Coupe LH Door  $85.00
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $25.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
69 Rallye Pack (Gauge side only)  $75.00
69 Cutlass RH Grille (nice, used)  $40.00
69 442 RH Grille (nice) $50.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $135.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $175.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $35.00
69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $15.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $200.00 pr / $110.00 ea
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $95.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $200.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70 LH/RH Hood "L" moldings (few small pits under side, nice chrome) $95.00 pr
70-72 Rallye Pack (Tach only, works needs needle end)  $125.00
70 Std Auto console neutral safety switch w/bracket  $65.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $110.00
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $50.00 set
70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea (backordered)
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $185.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-72 Rallye Pack (Tach only, works needs needle end)  $125.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $110.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $185.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 Rallye Pack (Tach only, works needs needle end)  $125.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr


Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:19:30 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Cool sounds!

I just got a cool fax from Year One...a list of CD's of Hot Rod tunes but
the coolest title is called Sounds of Motor Racing...yup basically race
cars on the track & in the pits...oh Santa Claus...

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv--Dallas

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:06:56 EST
From: NotDads442 <NotDads442@aol.com>
Subject: RE: The one that got away

I have one on this.  Actually two of them.  It's early 1991.  I've just
finished reading the Motor Trend articale about the W-41 Calais'.  I want one
of these.  While driving from my hometown, Superior NE, to Wichita KS, where I
live, I pass a GM dealer in Belleville KS.  There on the lot is a W41.  I
stop, look, talk to the salesman.  Can't believe they have this car on the lot
in a town of about 1500 people.  I ask the guy "Do you know what you have
here?".  His reply "Oh yeah!".

Seems his family has owned the dealership for decades.  During the 60's his
dad would look thru the ordering books and try to pick out what the really hot
performance options on every model car was and order one.  This guy still does
it.  Anyway, we couldn't swing the price they were asking at the time.  The
car ended up getting sold to some people near Belleville. They drove it every
day to work over gravel roads! AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!  I know because we talked to
them at a car show in Belleville the summer after we got our car.  Anyway they
had no idea how rare a car they had bought and were driving.AAAHHHHHH!!!!!

The second car was also a 1991 W-41 Calais.  I found it in the showroom of a
GM dealer in Beloit KS.  How could two small town dealers in north central KS
end up with these cars was my question.  This dealer had ordered the car
because he was good friends with the guy in Belleville and they talked about
it.  Anyway, I found the car on another trip back to NE.  When I called the
next Monday they had sold the car to a dealer in TX. Damn!!! missed again.

I guess that just makes finding the W-41 we did get that much sweeter!

Cecil
1991 W-41
OCAª 29604

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:23:00 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª1005

>Related question:
>The 80's Cutli that have V6's are that same Buick 231, right?
>I wonder about this and wonder if it is the same engine, why have I
>never heard of anyone Grand Nationalizing a Cutlass?  Anyone know
>about this?

Most  80's Cutlass's do have the Buick 231 in them, although I have
never heard of someone "GrandNationalizing" a Cutlass.  Hey, I
finally partially answered someone's question!  There's a first time
for everything.

Joe
91 Cutlass Ciera
97 Aurora
82 Cutlass Calais (soon to have)
79 MG

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:47:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISP Problems

Oldsmobilers
I have had to unsubsribe from the list under my old address and
re-subscribe with Yahoo mail (it's a pain).
My e-mail stopped working on Sprynet two days ago and the best they
can tell me is to cancel my account with them and start a new account.
That means I would have to pay twice for the current month.
Hopefully I can sort it out quickly.

Greg, Please let me know if my "unsubsribe" message didn't work. There
will be a lot of mail piling up somewhere if not.



==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:15:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Here's my story:

My grandparents bought a 1956 Olds 88 in Rosemist and Ivory on August 8,
1956, which just happens to be my birthday!!

They lived in Nevada part of the time they owned this car, 17 miles
outside of Winnemucca in a little town called Golconda.  I have fond
memories of spending a few weeks at their place during the summers.
About once a week or so, Grandma (a prim, proper former school teacher)
would don her white gloves and we would get into the '56 2-door 88 and
tear down I-80 the 17 miles to Winnemucca to go grocery shopping and visit
friends.  Let's just say Grandma was not known as "Leadfoot" for nothing!!
(She's now 94 and still kickin'.)  We made the trip in no time!

When she and my grandfather lived in Palo Alto, California, for a time in
the '60s, she used to drag race kids from Stanford when they would pull up
next to her at a light and tap the accelerator.  She left 'em in the dust
every time!!

In the '70s the car got to be too hard to handle (parking with that huge
steering wheel and no power brakes was a pain!) for my grandparents.  So,
they traded it in to the GM dealer in Elko, Nevada, for a Chevy N*va!!
Arrrgghhh!  (They didn't get much for it as a trade-in, either.)

I was a little miffed, to say the least, as I kinda considered that to be
MY car because they'd bought it on the day I was born.

As far as I know, the dealer in Elko still has it.  He gets it out
occasionally and drives it in the 4th of July parade.  When my husband
and I stopped in at the dealer's showroom a few years ago, he wouldn't
let us see it.

The car was sold long before I met my husband, the H/O lover.  When I
told him the story of the lost '56, he was very disappointed.  He wrote
the dealer in Elko and asked him to let us know if he ever considers
selling it.  He also likes reminding Grandma that she never should have
sold that car!!

Whenever we go to a car show, I like to look at the '56s, but have yet to
see one in that Rosemist/Ivory combo!  It was gorgeous!

Enjoy all your posts!!

Sherie Stanish, wife of Jeff, owner of '69 H/O, '75 H/O, '79 H/O
(still pining for the '56)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:53:19 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: [none]

UNSUBSCRIBE OLDSMOBILE

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:15:32 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

>Does anyone else have a story about an Olds that they
>coulda/shoulda/woulda bought, but for some reason didn't, and has
>regretted that decision ever since?
>
About 1981 I was offered a 1968 Olds 442 convertible.  I went to see the car
& rather liked it even though it had a worn interior.  The seats had been
replaced w/black '69 buckets in a teal interior.  The carpet was gone
showing a perfect floor.  The car had been repainted a more modern gray than
the original teal color.

The car was equipped right w/a 4-speed & console, 3:91 posi, red fender
liners w/scoops, PW, PA, AM/FM, PS, P drum brakes, gauges.  The car could be
bought right according to the owner & so I tried the car out.  I was warned
that it had a bad rear wheel bearing.  That warning was right because after
getting the car up through all the gears & cruising at about 45, it suddenly
lost power to the rear wheels.  I thought that the car had come out of gear
& put in the clutch to put it back in & glancing at the outside rear view
mirror to check traffic; I saw that the wheel & axle ont he driver's side
was exiting the fender.  I eased off the road as the axle came right out of
the car & sat the car down on the road.

A phone was near, which I used to call the owner & a tow truck.  The car was
returned to it's home & I declined the car.  I didn't even ask the price &
never returned.

In 1982, I heard about the car being for sale again.  I went to see it &
found that nothing was any better on the car than before except that the
axle bearing was replaced.  This time I checked the engine out to see if it
were really a 400 rather than a 425.  The engine being red caused me some
worry & I didn't have any way of identifying it then.  The owner couldn't
either.

I told the owner that I would pay his price ($2500) if he could show me that
this was the correct engine.  He couldn't & so we agreed upon $1500.  I
still have the car & am lucky that it came my way twice.  It still works &
runs well.  I guess it deserves a restoration sometime soon.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:30:23 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

I forgot 2 others that got away that I bought new.  The first that I will
mention is a 1968 Camaro SS/RS 396.  It was a beautiful black car w/a black
w/white hounds tooth interior, tilt wheel, all gauges, wood wheel, automatic
w/console, hidden headlights, white stripe on nose, PS & P disc brakes,
tinted glass, & all deluxe trim.  I sold it after 2 years to buy another
loss; a 1970 Buick GS Stage 1.

The Stage 1 was also an automatic only w/a bench seat, AC, gauges, tile
ralley wheel, deluxe interior & exterior items, ralley wheels, vinyl roof,
rear defroster, & tinted glass.  This was sold to get my 455 - 3.23 posi
equipped '73 Vista Cruiser to which I added headers, Eddlebrock, recurved
distributor, '70 442 cam, & rejetted Q-Jet.

As you can see, I was going from a family man w/1 child to a family man w/2
children.  I kind of mellowed as the years went on.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:43:06 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

I was flipping thru a trader magazine and noticed that there was a 1970 Rallye
350 about 45 minutes away from my house. I was interested in a rallye 350
after seeing such nice ones at Lansing. I called the number that was listed on
the ad and it was a place called Memory Lane Motors, and they were selling the
car on consignment. They had the car and said that it was in pretty good
condition with all of the ram air stuff, but no stripes. They told me where
they were located and told me to come out and look at it.
       There was a car show about 10 minutes away from Memory Lane Motors,
which was located in Grayslake, Illinois. I went to the car show and on my way
home I stopped by and looked at the car. The place was closed but the car was
outside so I checked it out. It was in pretty good shape. I went home and
called the real owner of the car and nobody was home so I left a message. This
was the second time I had called him, and he never returned my calls. Monday
came around and I called the Memory Lane Motors to ask about the car. They
said that the owner had picked the car up and sold it. What the owner had done
was taken the car to the same car show and sell it at the swap meet for
3000.00 instead of the 6500.00 asking price. The owner called me up and said
that he had sold the car for that amount and I told him I was going to give
him 1000.00 more then he sold it for. I now have a Rallye 350, but it's a
different one.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:58:11 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Jeff Stanish wrote:

> As far as I know, the dealer in Elko still has it.  He gets it out
> occasionally and drives it in the 4th of July parade.  When my husband
> and I stopped in at the dealer's showroom a few years ago, he wouldn't
> let us see it.

Well, that's that pits!!!  It's not like you're stangers or anything.
For God's sake!  That car belonged to your grandparents!  Stuff like
that really ticks me off.  I'd write him a hate letter if I knew his
address.  Sounds like the type that will call you one day and want to
sell it for something like $50000, just because he knows the sentimental
value where you're concerned.  What a creep.  I feel your pain.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (original owner was Grandma's 2nd cousin)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:07:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: runaway engine

>>     Some food for thought involving the runaway engine syndrome.....suppose
>> you're driving a diesel...what then,hmm?
>
>The only way to stop a runaway diesel is to stop the air or fuel. If
>it's a detroit diesel get as for away as possible before it explodes.
>I'm not sure what the Olds diesel has in the way of emergency shut down
>procedures.

I thought that turning off the ignition cut the fuel-supply? I know that it
doesn't have a regular butterfly-type throttle, but how does a diesel
normally shut off? I have heard horror stories of diesel pickups in oil
fields that refuse to shut off if they are in the area of a gas leak, and
eventually the engine self-destructs. The solution, should anyone ever be
driving their diesel Olds in Texas, is to shove a rag in the air intake.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:10:08 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Well, I'll toss my story in too:

Late summer of '75, I was 15, going on 16 fast, with driver's license
city in sight.  Not cool to have a driver's license and be stuck driving
mom's '69 Cutlass S sport coupe.  Well, in THOSE days anyway.  I knew
that in order to stay "cool" I would have to get my own wheels.  I had
worked for a year and a half, saving my pittance pay as a pin monkey at
a local bowling alley.  I had about $1500 to spend.  Numerous cars
around for sale.  Relatively cheap too (gas crunch days)...'70 LS6
Chevelle SS, $1100, 71 GS 455, $1700, and a 68 Superbee 440, for only
$1200.  Now, armed with this info, I checked out each car, but was still
pining for an Olds...while they were throw-you-back-in-seat-cars, and in
very nice shape, something was still missing.....the ROCKET!  I finally
found a red 68 Cutlass 2 dr. hardtop, but  the original owner said the
engine had a knock in it, so he quit driving it.

There it sat, out in front of his house.  We finally got it started, and
it ran like crap, and it did have a knock.  I checked out the car
further, and found it to be in suprisingly good shape, with only 71K on
the clock.  Speaking of clocks, it had that and a COOL factory tach and
guages too!  It also was a 4 speed.  The really neat part I thought was
the 2 bumper scoops and the "ram rod 350" decals on the front fenders.
Sure enough, it was a W-31.  He said he was going to ask 900 for it, but
since the engine knocked, he would take 400.  Hmmmm...I was JUST
beginning to get my feet wet with cars, and I really didn't know that
much about fixing, yet alone finding, that knock.

I went home and talked to my dad about it.  I described that there was a
knock in the engine, and he said that those cars were usually driven
hard, and that there was trouble ahead.  I passed.  A couple of month's
later, I saw it in the school parking lot.  One of the Seniors had
bought the car, for $400.  He drove off in it, tires squealing, and man,
that sucker sounded good.  I later found out the "KNOCK" was a bad
lifter "tick", and he just replaced a lifter and a push rod, and it was
back in business.

All was NOT lost, however, for it was the day before Thanksgiving, '75
that I found my first car.  Funny, it too had those bumper scoops and a
4 speed.  Only this was a '69 W-30.  Jade green, gold interior, SSIs, no
A/C.  Had  a bad alternator, so we had to push start it once we swapped
batteries from his truck, but after we turned the second corner and
ripped off the rear tires in second, I knew I had to have this
car....SOLD!  He was asking $1000, but didn't know how to fix the
alternator, so after some haggling he sold it to me for $550.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:30:33 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

BYTW,

The engine is the original.  That still makes me happy.


>About 1981 I was offered a 1968 Olds 442 convertible

This time I checked the engine out to see if it
>were really a 400 rather than a 425.  The engine being red caused me some
>worry & I didn't have any way of identifying it then.  The owner couldn't
>either.

>
>Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
>Decatur, Alabama
>'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:08:09 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: weight of a 455

Hey everyone,

I have a question concerning the weights of two Olds motors, the 307 and
the 455.

I just received my custom coil springs from PST (can't put them on yet as
they are a Christmas present) :(  Well I ordered them to handle the weight
of a 455, as that't what I plan to have in there within the next few
months.  I was wondering if I install the springs before I swap in the 455
how much higher will the Cutlass sit with only the 307 in it?  Is there a
significant difference in the weights of these two motors?

Thanks,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:59:07 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The one that got away

Well, since everyone else threw in there pennies, here's mine:

Three years ago, summer of '94 I sold my Ch*vy Blazer and was looking for a
G-body car, Monte, Grand Prix, Regal or Cutlass.  I came across this '83
H/O for $3000.  It had a '68 Olds 350 in it, the rest of the car was pretty
rough, basically needed a new interior and a paint job, but it was FAST.  I
was so tempted to buy it but reluctant to put so much work into it,
especially since I was still in college (ie limited budget).  I reluctantly
passed on it, but a week later I came upon my Cutlass Supreme which I
currently own.  So something GOOD did come out of this.

        On a side note, I happen to see the guy that sold this H/O every
once in a while.  He said he saw the car at Lansing this past summer and
that it was almost done with a complete resto.  At least it didn't get more
trashed or parted out.

And one more: I almost bout another '83 H/O this summer but it was sold
before I got to make an offer on it.  This one had a built 403, built
200-4R tranny and the usual 3.73 gears.  The exterior looked pretty rough,
lots of unorignal parts (doors, fenders, bumpers, grills etc.) and an all
black paintjob (crappy at that) The interior was basically pretty decent
but needed a shifter bezel.  I was all set to purchase this car with
borrowed money from Mom and I was going to rent a agarage to store it
becouse our driveway was full and Mom won't let me keep anything in the
back yard :(

I was going to store the car and keep it as a project for when I was done
with my '85.

Oh well, someday I'll have an '83 H/O!!

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:53:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: ISP Problems

Sprynet still hasn't solved my e-mail problems. Does anyone else on
the list use Yahoo Mail? Is there any way of using my regular e-mail
program? I've tried setting it up as mail.yahoo.com for the server
address but no luck.
It's a real pain trying to use the browser for an e-mail program.
On another note. Got my Edelbrock Performer RPM manifold and Performer
750 cfm carb installed tonight.
Found a 12v lead from the former 2 barrel "dashpot" and hooked it up
to the electric choke. Unfortunately, I dropped the lead after
crimping on a connector and it shorted out where it fell. (forgot to
turn the ignition off after checking for voltage).
Didn't notice until I fired it up and found the choke wouldn't open.
Checked again...No juice!!!
Does anyone have any idea where the circuit was broken? Is there a
fusable link on this line, or is it connected to a fuse in the panel?
BTW, Where can I find the old style glass fuses? The parts stores only
have the new plastic ones as far as I know. OTOH, I really didn't need
a fuse when I was glancing at what was available, so I'm not sure.




==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:15:39 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: looking for a 455

I figured I'd ask here as this seems like a good time to.  I kind of been
looking half *ss for a 455. But can't seem to find one very easily. I plan
to get my project underway right after the new year and was wondering if
anyone on the list  within 2-3 hours of the New York City area has or knows
of a 455 engine for sale.  Must be complete, and I prefer it to be running,
but will consider other if the price is right.

Thanks alot,  Drop me line at 102724.635@compuserve.com

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:13:32 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Funny story

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> I guess I am having 442 withdrawls.  Can't wait to get my 442 fixed.
> The DRB is not too bad as long as I don't drive it in "D".

As opposed to P, or R, or even N, I'll take D anyday!  hahaha
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:16:18 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª1005

Joe Gerschutz wrote:
>
> >Related question:
> >The 80's Cutli that have V6's are that same Buick 231, right?
> >I wonder about this and wonder if it is the same engine, why have I
> >never heard of anyone Grand Nationalizing a Cutlass?  Anyone know
> >about this?
>
> Most  80's Cutlass's do have the Buick 231 in them, although I have
> never heard of someone "GrandNationalizing" a Cutlass.  Hey, I
> finally partially answered someone's question!  There's a first time
> for everything.

Hmmm...  Maybe, just maybe Ray suffering from El Nino should look at
GNing a 409 (If we can come up with a scheme on how to, or if it's even
possible)  Strip those ugly Buick stickers off it, and slap some Rocket
stickers to it, and bam instant fun!
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                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:21:05 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Peeling Out

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:

> By the way, your description makes it sound as if the Mustang you're
> describing had an automatic transmission too.  If that was the case, I
> don't believe that it would have been a real, or at least original Boss.  I
> believe that both the Boss 302s and Boss 429s were available only with
> either a wide or close ratio 4 speed manual transmission.

True.  But around here people do some WICKED strange stuff.  The Boss
was a documented Boss (by the MCA), and the motor was a documented Boss
302.  The tranny was a C6, and the rear is anyone's guess...  But either
way, it was a ride! <G>  On a stranger note, the same lot had a late
70's early 80's RWD Sunbird I fell in love with too...  It had an Auto
3spd with a 4Cyl, and oddly enough it would screech tires from stand
still to 2nd, and it had awesome power (amazed me when I popped the hood
to find a 4Cyl).  Either way that little booger moved!
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                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:22:57 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: power tour

Shaun Miller wrote:
>
> Yea i was also thinking about doing this power tour thing.  God knows
> this quad can cruise at 100 for sustained periods.  I wouldnt doubt
> anything with a four banger doing 135 top end.  Maybe if some of the
> other q4 guys would be there we could sneak up and win it all.

Wouldn't this turn an outrageously high RPM?

On a funny note...  The RWD guys talk about swapping their rear ends for
the run, would FWD guys swap front ends?!?!?  hahahaha
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                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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