
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, January 22 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1067



Re: Non-remote mirrors (the fix)
Web Page
Re: quad 4 back again
Re: TH 350 governor
Re: Karl's Law [ was: Green's Law ( was: What can go wrong { was.... } ) ]
Re: a real puzzler
Re: what can go wrong (mostly non-olds)
Fit of repro trunk floors, '70-'72 Cutlii?
'70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?
Re: Hot engine problem
Engine Possibility?
506 Olds Engine Possibility?
Single to Dual exhaust
A happy return, almost
Re: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?
Re: Wanted: 77 442: Anything and everything
rear end question
Minor Details on 70 442
OVERHEATING?
DELTA 88 GEAR SHIFT!  MIKE?
Re: Single to Dual exhaust
Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?
Re: Olds 330
Re: Bryceman's page
Re: Hot engine problem
New Web Page To Check Out...
unsubscribe
'69 442 grille and stuff
Re: Axle Ratio
Centennial Video
Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?
Re: Dual Exhaust on 1979 H/O
Re: a real puzzler
Non-olds (F*rd)
Re: Hot engine problem
Re: Valve covers and Tach
Re: OVERHEATING?
Re: Axle Ratio
Re: a real puzzler
Re: Single to Dual exhaust
Re[2]: Olds 330 info
Re: Hot engine problem
Re: Valve covers and Tach
Re[2]: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?
Re: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?
Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?
Re[2]: Axle Ratio
Re: Axle Ratio
Re: Holley Carbs
Re: Valve covers and Tach
Re: rear end question
Re: Single to Dual exhaust
Re: '69 442 grille and stuff
Re: 442's and Cutlass(es) and others for sale
Re: Hot engine problem
Re: 442's and Cutlass(es) and others for sale
Re: rear end question
Eldenback (?) Carb
RE: Eldenback (?) Carb
Color Scheme 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:28:50 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Non-remote mirrors (the fix)

Hey all!

Here is how to get loose that frozen allen-head retaining bolt!
(the way that I did it a few months ago)

1) Spray liquid wrench ath the bolt and give it a solid tap or two.

2) Go to the hardware store and get the cheapest _single_ allen wrench that
you can find which will fit this application. I believe the correct size is
5/32", but do not take my word for it, I have a poor memory.

3) Now clamp the allen wrench in a pair of vice-grips in order that you will
get the best leverage possible. I suggest that you plan to use the longest arm
of the wrench on the bolt first. You may not free the bolt right away, and as
a result of your efforts, you will likely twist the shaft of the wench and
strip the end of it on/in the bolt. When that happens, use the other arm of
the wrench in the same manner.

4) Continue to spray liquid wrench on it every so often if you spread this
project out over several days.

NOTE: do not get any penetrating oil in the area of the mirror body like I
did. This will lubricate the ball joint and your mirror will swing freely and
droop constantly.

Good luck!

Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:28:46 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Web Page

In my exuberance of knowing that I have fixed my car, I set up my web page
again. All I have left to do is re-install all the cool links I used to have.

http:\\members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

One more thing.

Would someone send me Esko Illola's Eaddress? I mislaid an image file that he
sent me long ago of his car "Niney". Thanks much.

Karl Aune

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:25:44 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: quad 4 back again

Shaun Miller wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> were back again and i couldnt wait to get back.  on christmas break i
> tinkered with the calais and this babys movin'.  Fixed that battery
> problem and smoked the tires a few times to wake her up.  thanks to all
> the q4 guys for keeping me up to date with calais/achieva info.  I also
> heard the new alero was unveiled this month, has anyone seen it??  Lets
> fire up the pocket rockets 1 more time.

Welcome back...

Alero:  Yeah, nice looking car, now let's see if GM actually sticks to
it...  <HG>

Q4 Again: Naw, we'll keep that one quiet.. :)
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:16:12 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: TH 350 governor

Knightvd wrote:

> #3.  Will tranny flluid pour out onto my face when I remove the governor?
> (Not that I don't like the taste and smell of a good ATF bath, just curious)

A cold drink and some warm ATF really fills ya up don't it???  :)
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:53:24 EST
From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Karl's Law [ was: Green's Law ( was: What can go wrong { was.... } ) ]

When are the olds Nat being held in Springfeild?  What goes on there?. This is
the first I have heard of such an event.  I don't live to far from there.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:51:34 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: a real puzzler

>         So here is my problem. Some times I get lifter noise. Its one
> lifter making all the noise too. I can't tell when it'll make noise either.
> Some times it will run for 40 mile with out making any noise. Then it'll
> collapse. If I turn the engine off for about half hour it will be fine
> then. It makes no sinse. Some times it makes noise some times it don't. 
>
Gary, here's my long distance opinion:
Sounds like either the lifter is sticking, not all the time though
obviously, or the lifter is weak, a possibility, or you are at the very
limit of not enough lifter preload on that particular lifter.  Then
again, it COULD possibly be an oiling problem, whereas it would be a
piece of crud stuck in the lifter bore oiling hole on that lifter only. 
Otherwise, you'd have a lot of clacking if you didn't get enough oil to
all of them.

The only way to make sure is to try and isolate WHICH one it is, and
check lifter preload on ALL the lifters, just to make sure.  Pain in the
butt, but you gotta check em.  Excessive rocker arm/pushrod ball wear
can increase the distance too.  

Just some ideas flying off the top of my head.

Either way, it doesn't look like fun.

2 cents worth,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:55:18 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: what can go wrong (mostly non-olds)

Clayton "Lucky" Pierce wrote:
>Well, let's start off with a "wires frying" story.  This concerns my first
 [snip]
>inch or two :-).  At one point in time, the bolts that held the shifter in
>place (and basically kept the transmission itself in place broke... I duct
 [snip]
>The key fell out in my hand after the car began to start... I looked and
 [snip]
>but not before wearing itself out and frying half the wiring in the car!
 [snip]
>And now for a "Tire Passing Me on the Highway" story.  Well the
 [snip]
>on the 11-E, when all of a sudden, out of the blue, the left front wheel
>and hub decided that I must have been going too slow and passed me.  Went
 [snip]
>work, so I didn't get slowed down much before hitting the sharp end of the
>guard rail at an intersection, and wrapping the entire front and d-side of
 [snip]
>was trash... motor in pieces, transaxle in pieces, but the damage stopped
>abruptly at the firewall, and believe it or not, the windshield wasn't
>even cracked.  The battery went THROUGH the hood and landed about 20 feet
>in front of the car, and a full size floor jack that had been in the seat
>behind me went through the driverside window (somehow without nailing my
>head, don't know how) and landed outside the car.  The rescue crew that
 [snip]

<note to myself: don't accept a lift from C. Pierce...>

;)
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:01:36 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Fit of repro trunk floors, '70-'72 Cutlii?

Got a good used 1/4 lined from Everett for the '70 SX (actually a whole
left rear quarter of a car, not just a 1/4 panel), and he's recommended
someone for the welding. Now I'm going to have to move on to lining up
replacement panels for the trunk floor.

Just about everybody lists these, but I was wondering what experience
people have had with the reproduction trunk-floors. I'd probably need the
full floor, so that would be the 3-piece setup many places list. Is there,
like other parts, just one vendor sold through the different channels? If
so, how's the quality? I know that the fit of the trunk floor is less
crucial than a quarter-panel, but still, I don't want it to be an inch
short on both sides. Any personal experience here would be appreciated.

After I line up the trunk floor, I'll need to do something about the right
quarter; it's got the regular rust around the wheelwell, but I've heard
that the shape of the repro wheelwell lips is not close enough to the
original to permit the installation of the stock chrome moldings. Well,
*that* won't do me any good; anyone have a good experience with either a
repro quarter (as far as they go) or patch panels in this area?

This is for the 1970 notchback Cutlass Supreme body style.

TIA
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:06:05 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?

The dash lights controlled by the headlight switch on my '70 Supreme are
completely non-functional, though they worked perfectly only a week ago.
I'm suspecting the headlight switch, since my warning lights and hi-beam
light work fine (rules out broken grounds), but the headlights work fine,
and the interior lights come on when the knob is turned all the way.

Before I tear into the headlight switch (lots of fun... :p ), I want to
rule out other options; the headlight switch has a separate circuit and
connector for the interior light that can be dimmed, correct? Second, the
fuses looked good, but is there a fuse specifically for the dimming
dashboard lights? I thought they'd be on there with the other interior
lights, but may be mistaken here.

TIA!
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:21:32 -0500
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Hot engine problem

No, I don't think that's the problem. The fan is grabbing on the
top of the shroud.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455


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> 
> 
> Most likely, your motor mounts are movin south on you.
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

> From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Hot engine problem
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 6:17 PM
> 
> John Richmond wrote:
> > 
> > I think I figured out why my engine got so hot last week.
> > The engine fan was bound up against the fan shroud.
> > My question is how come all of a sudden the fan is
> > now rubbing against the shroud. Could it be the cold weather
> > caused the plastic to deform?
> > 
> > John Richmond
> > richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
> > Warren, MI
> > 72 442/455

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:45:40 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Engine Possibility?

I was doing some math, and figured out that if you put 403 pistons in a
455, you'd get a 506!! This has to be possible, doesn't it? A 350 block
is the same as a 403 block, and aren't SB's and BB's almost the same? A
455 has to be able to take that much overbore if a 350 can, right? Or
are the wall thicknesses really different?
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:45:50 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?

I was doing some math, and figured out that if you put 403 pistons in a
455, you'd get a 506!! This has to be possible, doesn't it? A 350 block
is the same as a 403 block, and aren't SB's and BB's almost the same? A
455 has to be able to take that much overbore if a 350 can, right? Or
are the wall thicknesses really different?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:56:55 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Single to Dual exhaust

I have an 82 Cutlass with the standard 231 V6.  It has single exhaust 
which I would like to run duals, mainly for looks (and sound).  I 
don't want to buy new for this application, I was thinking more 
on just getting some from a junk yard in decent shape.  What cars 
would have exhaust that I could bolt on with minimal work.  Right now 
the exhaust runs over the rear axle and the catty is taken completely 
off. Thanks

Joe

PS My tach does that same thing.  I can even impress some gullible 
people of my car's responsiveness.



- --------------------------------------------------
- ---Joe Gerschutz------------------------------
- ---University of Dayton----------------------
- ---gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu--------
- --------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:56:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: A happy return, almost

Hello to all.
I've recently returned to computer access after a four week Christmas
break.  I am here to express my great joy, because I am now driving my 87
409 powered Cutlass again.  The last fou months before were spent in an 84
88.  I blew a piston in the 409 (ya know, 403+) just before I had to leave
for school, so the car sat.  But over Christmas, my all-too-cool Dad and
Brother helped me rebuild the 409.  We finished it just in time for me to
leave for school.  So I then drove my car out here to Arizona from Philly.
Some like planes or buses or trains or boats or whatever for cross-country
travel, but I think the fastest method is to pilot a Rocket.  So, I just
wanted to say I am extremely happy to have my car again.  Thanks for
listening; happiness loves company as well as misery.

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:52:57 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> The dash lights controlled by the headlight switch on my '70 Supreme are
> completely non-functional, though they worked perfectly only a week ago.
> I'm suspecting the headlight switch, since my warning lights and hi-beam

Bob, 

Something I've ran across in my day, was a 69 442 with this very problem
you describe.  It ended up being a ground for the TAILLIGHTS! 
Apparently, the fuse for the taillights and dash lights are the same.  I
was driving along, hit a bump, then oops! No dash lights, yet everything
else worked just as you described.  I stopped, got out and checked all
the other lights.  Sure nuff, the tail lights were out.  The next day I
replaced the bad fuse, still nothing, then searched the wires for a
short and found a broken ground wire in the trunk area.  I connected it,
and everything came back to normal.  But, that was just MY  experience.

Just some thoughts,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:04:29 -0500
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: Re: Wanted: 77 442: Anything and everything

I have a 77 442.  Its not for sale but thats not to say i'm not interested.
Chris Kugler
talcarol@erie.net





>This friend of mine in Havre that's opening up the Champion Auto store
>has a 77 442, and is in search of just about anything for it.  He's also
>looking for another 77 442, I seem to recall someone here having one for
>sale???  He's been desperately searching for grilles for it (suprise
>suprise!)  He's expecting to be "networthy" within the next few months,
>but right now, I'm his only connection.  Any leads/info/updates/etc.???
>
>               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
>For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>                http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
>                        Sidney Montana

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:06:20 -0500
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: rear end question

Did 77 Cutlass's come with a posi rear end?

Chris Kugler
talcarol@erie.net

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:03:41 EST
From: Dan442Olds <Dan442Olds@aol.com>
Subject: Minor Details on 70 442

The heater/ac control panel on my 70 442 needs replaced or redone.  The
printing is faded and it just looks like something out of a 28 year old car.
Anyone have a suggestion on this?

Also, concerning the air induction unit (that which sets above the air cleaner
and has the vaccum door), it has the word "OLDSMOBILE" printed on it.  On my
70 these raised letters are painted white.  I also have one from a 72 in which
the letters are not painted, it is just the raised letters on the black
plastic.  Are each of these correct for their respective year model or did the
previous owner do some painting?  BTW, the 70 is a W-30 while the 72 is not.

Thanks in Advance,

Dan442Olds

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:06:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: OVERHEATING?

So, anyway, I just got my car back, and now I'm having overheating
problems.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.  
At first I thought it was just the thermostat sticking because the temp
was fluxuating around eratically and occasionally settling on 180 (thermo
temp) and then jumping around some more.  So I just removed it to see.
That was not it.  After seeing this I just went in the house and cranked
up music and felt frustrated.  Nothing can ever be the simplest cheapest
solution.  I just rebuilt the engine and wsa anticipating at least one
month aggrivation free, that's all I ask for!  But, when i gain some
patience, this is what I'm going to check out:

Lift valve cover to see if oil and coolant are mixing (please, no!)
Check for proper fan clutch operation
Check for kinked hoses 
Replace water pump

Now, the car just made a 2700 mile journey cross country, so I believe
that head gaskets are cool.
Kinked lower radiator hose is too simple to hope for
Fan clutch problem is likely, the fan was making odd groaning noises a
couple days ago

The water pump was replaced when the old one decided to go out in Wakeeny
Kansas during the Power Tour last summer.  So, I'd imagine it'd still be
good.  I drove the car for the rest of the summer, then not again till
just now.  It's only got maybe 6000 miles on it.

Is there anything else I should check (besides coolant level, that's cool)
?
Anyone who wants to help this shattered dreams individual is cool.

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket at 230 degrees again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:11:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: DELTA 88 GEAR SHIFT!  MIKE?

	 
Hey Mike,
I'm not driving the 88 anymore, and since I am an irresponsible ealy 20's
kinda guy, I've lost your number!  I'm in AZ now.  If you haven't gotten
one already, let me know.
Still, I believe it'd be cheaper if you just got one at a yard than to pay
the shipping costs from AZ to MI(?).  

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:16:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Single to Dual exhaust

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Joe Gerschutz wrote:

> I have an 82 Cutlass with the standard 231 V6.  It has single exhaust 
> which I would like to run duals, mainly for looks (and sound).  I 
> don't want to buy new for this application, I was thinking more 
> on just getting some from a junk yard in decent shape.  What cars 
> would have exhaust that I could bolt on with minimal work.  Right now 
> the exhaust runs over the rear axle and the catty is taken completely 
> off. Thanks
> 
> Joe
> 
> PS My tach does that same thing.  I can even impress some gullible 
> people of my car's responsiveness.
> 

Hey Joe where are you going with that gu in your hand?

The engine in your car is the same in the turbo Buicks which had dual(Y)
exhaust.  They sound real cool too.  You could hook up with a used or new
exhaust system for one of those and everything would fit real nice since,
it's essentially the same car.
While your at it, pick up a turbo and make yourself a T-type Cutlass.  If
you don't do it first, I'm gonna beat you to it!


> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> ---Joe Gerschutz------------------------------
> ---University of Dayton----------------------
> ---gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu--------
> --------------------------------------------------
> 

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:19:07 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Matt Cremean wrote:

> I was doing some math, and figured out that if you put 403 pistons in a
> 455, you'd get a 506!! This has to be possible, doesn't it? A 350 block
> is the same as a 403 block, and aren't SB's and BB's almost the same? A
> 455 has to be able to take that much overbore if a 350 can, right? Or
> are the wall thicknesses really different?

Didnt someone figure out before that a 455 Crank in a 403 block would
produce a 596 small block or something crazy like that?



> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
> 

Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:33:18 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 330

Coy says:
>Try J&M Speed Center in Riverside California.

Does this mean your a So Cal boy?  Is J&M still there?  I moved from
Riverside 3 years ago.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:20:34 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Bryceman's page

We'll bear with you, my friend.  You're well worth it!

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Bryceman's page
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:15 AM
> 
> >COUPE KING wrote:
> >
> >> Is something wrong with my computer or is this a problem at the site?
> >>Anybody
> >> else having troubles getting to this page? Need my classified fix!
> >
> 
> A few weeks ago my ISP moved my site from their fast Sun server to their
> old (slower) Sun server to perform some upgrades and housecleaning on the
> faster box. The two servers are in the same room but naturally have
> different IP numbers. When my site was moved, my domain name
(www.442.com)
> was also redirected to the new location.
> For any people out there who are having trouble getting to my site, the
> problem is most likely with the Domain Name Server at your ISP. Your
ISP's
> DNS has a cache for all of it's Domain Names which should be deleted on a
> regualr basis and rebuilt. If the ISP in question is not deleting the DNS
> cache regularly, when you try to go to www.442.com, you get sent to the
> server where my site _used_ to be.
> The only solutions are to wait and hope your ISP gets around to deleting
> the cache, or call them and ask them to do it.
> Sorry for all of the confusion. Even when these DNS snafus are cleared
up,
> my site will still be slower because its riding on a slow, high traffic
> server. When my ISP eventually gets upgrades and housecleaning done, I
will
> be back on the fast server so please bear with me. Thanks alot.
> 
> Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
> '66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
> '65 442 Post Coupe
> '65 Vista Cruiser
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> Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:50:40 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hot engine problem

John,

In a message dated 98-01-21 21:49:58 EST, you write:

<< No, I don't think that's the problem. The fan is grabbing on the
 top of the shroud. >>

Have you checked the bolts holding the shroud on the bottom and the
to make sure that they haven't worked loose. I had this happen once in 
that the fan started hitting the shroud on the bottom as the bolts had
somehow worked loose and allowed the shroud to shift.

Rgds,
R.Thomas

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:53:10 -0500
From: "DENNEY KEYS" <dkeys@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: New Web Page To Check Out...

Well all, I finally got around to creating (albeit somewhat crude right now)
a web page with 2 out of my 4 Oldsmobiles (and 1 C*rvette) displayed.  You
can check it out at:

http://members.aol.com/Drivevette/index.html

Feel free to peruse and comment.  I anticipate that it should develop (and
grow) over time as I get a hang of this HTML stuff.

Thanks,
Denney

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:53:57  -0600
From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Al Frey
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:02:26 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: '69 442 grille and stuff

Hey all,

I know this topic came up just a few weeks ago, but I think I missed
most of the important stuff.  I have a '69 442, non W-30, just a plain
442 (if there is such a thing) and I want to find out the correct info.
on the grille and headlight surrounds.  Basically what I would like to
know is if they came from the facotry with the blacked-out grille pieces
and headlight surrounds?  Mine presently has the standard grey on all
pieces and as far as I know, they are orig. equipment.  I noticed that
varying manufactuers have a special section for 442 grilles and they
cost much more than the standard Cutlass items.  Any info. on this subj.
will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Daniel

'69 442
'71 Monster Escort

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:24:25 EST
From: DEOVIVERE <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Ratio

In a message dated 98-01-21 17:40:03 EST, you write:

<< Would would it take to change a 2:73 rear end (non posi) to 3:23 or
 > 3:42?  By change I mean keep the existing axle and change the
 > "innerds".
 > 
 > 
 > Thanks
 > 
 > J. Wolfe >>

Hello -

It might be easier to simply get your hands on a complete rear-end "from drum
to drum" (make sure it is properly set up and in good shape, i.e. from a
reputable source) with the desired gears and swap it for your former rear-end.
It is a fairly easy swap to make with a couple sets of hands, especially if
you have a lift at your disposal.  The rear end should cost around $300 more
or less. 

Tom Simmons
65 Cutlass
70 SX W-32
72 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:32:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Centennial Video

Hope someone else hasnt already posted the following info. Don't know how
many people on the list have seen the Centennial video done by Show and
Strip Productions but several of you Olds & Toro listers _do_ make brief
appearances...

Within the first 5 minutes of video, the back Peg O'Connor's head passes
right in front of the camera.
A few minutes later, on the bridge *** it's me *** and Chris Fair talking
to Jeff Easton while we drool on Jeff's car.
During footage of another show lot is a medium-range shot of Bob Handren's
serious machine.
Later on as the camera man segways into the motorcade footage, the first
few frames are of Gregg & Mary Ludlam's Toro parked on the Olds
Headquarters lot ( I was sitting in that car too ).
Next is the footage of the cars leaving the motorcade gathering lot, then
_romping__ it down the onramp to form up on the hiway. Bob Handren again,
screaming by in a bright streak of yellow! Next car I _think_ I recognize
(video was kinda blurry for a few seconds)  is Mick Gillesipe's convertible
heading for the onramp.

Could have been more of you on the video but those are the only ones I
recognized right off. I've only watched it once so far.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:36:30 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?

If it does, can some engineer guy out there get us the specks??

> On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> > I was doing some math, and figured out that if you put 403 pistons in a
> > 455, you'd get a 506!! This has to be possible, doesn't it? A 350 block
> > is the same as a 403 block, and aren't SB's and BB's almost the same? A
> > 455 has to be able to take that much overbore if a 350 can, right? Or
> > are the wall thicknesses really different?
> 
> Didnt someone figure out before that a 455 Crank in a 403 block would
> produce a 596 small block or something crazy like that?
> 
> 
> 
> > -- 
> > **********************************
> > Matt Cremean
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > CreamerSoft+ Software
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> > **********************************
> > 
> 
> Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass 
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:06 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust on 1979 H/O

I was able to go to the junkyard and find one of a mid 70's Regal for 
my 77 Cutlass Supreme without cutting, also solved the TH-400 shoehorn 
problem as well. Perhaps you will have the same luck with the 79. 
Might want to look for the Monty as well though.


> >         Where may I find a Trans Crossmember that would have a dual hump for
> > dual exhaust on my (G Body????)  1979 H/O??  Does the Monty SS
> > crosmember have two humps?  Do I have to go aftermarket, or is there a
> > model that would have one stock I could transplant?
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:44:23 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: a real puzzler

all you engine guy's put your thinking caps on.

Ah-hem, excuse me? Oh wait, we engine-gal's don't have caps we have to put
on, we can do our thinking without them. 

Just joking -

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:43:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Non-olds (F*rd)

Sorry about the non-olds question but, I was wondering if any of you 
have ever dealt with something like this:
I am changing oil on my '86 cougar (302, fuel injected).  Anyway I 
notice a problem with the battery mount rubbing on the battery case.  
So I end up taking the battery out and checked and filled the water 
and put it back in.  It doesn't have hardly any juice so I hooked it 
up to the battery charger and it evidently charges Ok and everything. I 
made sure all of the connections were right about twenty times.  It 
was charging for a couple hours, and I come back out switch the 
battery charger to 55 amp start, the car would start up and then die.  
Did this a few times with charger hooked up and also off the battery, 
same result.  Then it quit starting at all.  I thought I had fried the 
ignition module on the distributor, so I took it off and replaced it 
with one on an old Ford van we've got parked (same part).  Still no 
luck.  After setting for a couple hours it will almost act like it 
tries to fire and then nothing, it just turns over.  It has spark from 
the coil, we tried starting fluid and still nothing.  Anyway I ended 
up driving my Cutlass up to school after sitting for about 8 months. 
I was driving with no insurance, registration, or speedometer!  It was 
a scary 75 mile journey.  I can't afford to keep feeding gas to my 
455, does anyone have a clue as to what could be going wrong.  It just 
acts like it is totally flooded out.

Jeremy "Sqk 'Em Off" Elder
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:50:40 -0600
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Re: Hot engine problem

John Richmond writes:
>No, I don't think that's the problem. The fan is grabbing on the
>top of the shroud.
>
>John Richmond
>richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
>Warren, MI
>72 442/455
I had the same problem on a '78 Buick Regal I used to drive.  It used to
make this horrible WHAP sound every revolution of the fan.  (Well, it had a
'74 350 Chevy engine from some old truck).  Anyhow, I stuck an old
screwdriver between the fan shroud and the frame.  It raised it up enough
so that it wasn't a problem, although if it's a show car, I wouldn't
recommend it.  :-)

Bob
'78 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:21:21 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Valve covers and Tach

Yes the interchange

- ----------
> From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Valve covers and Tach
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 12:02 PM
> 
> I am wondering if anyone knows if a set of valve covers from a 350 will
fit a
> 330?  Are the heads the same?  Also I have never installed a tach does
anyone
> have any pointers on how to install one to my F-85?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 0:20:58 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: OVERHEATING?

At 20:06 1/21/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>So, anyway, I just got my car back, and now I'm having overheating
>problems.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.  
>At first I thought it was just the thermostat sticking because the temp
>was fluxuating around eratically and occasionally settling on 180 (thermo
>temp) and then jumping around some more.  So I just removed it to see.
>That was not it.  After seeing this I just went in the house and cranked
>up music and felt frustrated.  Nothing can ever be the simplest cheapest
>solution.  I just rebuilt the engine and wsa anticipating at least one
>month aggrivation free, that's all I ask for!  But, when i gain some
>patience, this is what I'm going to check out:
>
>Lift valve cover to see if oil and coolant are mixing (please, no!)
>Check for proper fan clutch operation
>Check for kinked hoses 
>Replace water pump
>
>Now, the car just made a 2700 mile journey cross country, so I believe
>that head gaskets are cool.
>Kinked lower radiator hose is too simple to hope for
>Fan clutch problem is likely, the fan was making odd groaning noises a
>couple days ago
>
>The water pump was replaced when the old one decided to go out in Wakeeny
>Kansas during the Power Tour last summer.  So, I'd imagine it'd still be
>good.  I drove the car for the rest of the summer, then not again till
>just now.  It's only got maybe 6000 miles on it.
>
>Is there anything else I should check (besides coolant level, that's cool)
>?
>Anyone who wants to help this shattered dreams individual is cool.
>
>Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket at 230 degrees again Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass 
>

      Two things come to mind as a quick check.  Although you have changed
out the water pump, it could still be suspect especially if it is a rebuild.
I had a rebuild on a freshly built motor where the impeller was not properly
attached to the shaft so under pressure wasn't pushing coolant.  Also you
need to have a reinforced lower radiator hose that has a wire form
internally to it, where it keeps it's shape under pressure otherwise it can
constrict and greatly reduce flow.


      Glenn
      '69 4-4-2 

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:36:55 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Axle Ratio

DEOVIVERE wrote:
>
> you have a lift at your disposal.  The rear end should cost around $300 more
> or less.

Yep, I bought my limited-slip rear out of an 84 Grand Prix for
$250.  I did nothing to it and had it installed for a hundred
bucks.  Later on, I had it rebuilt b/c of some worn out seals,
though.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:00:50 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Re: a real puzzler

Intermittent, steadily random valve noise.....

Since You have just done the engine, there might be some trash
in the valve lifter that's moving around and forcing the little
ball inside the lifter to keep open.

You can never be tidy enough with these.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:24:11 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Single to Dual exhaust

Ray wrote:

> While your at it, pick up a turbo and make yourself a T-type Cutlass.  If
> you don't do it first, I'm gonna beat you to it!

I see I've got some competition now...  <G>  455 4BBL, or 3.8 Turbo fuel
injected....  Hmmmm...  Gas vs sound...  I would like to run with the
exhaust singing...  Then again, I'd love to win with something that
sounds like a vaccuum cleaner....  The 455 drinks gas compared to a 3.8
Fuel Injected V6......................  They'll both come up to about
the same moneywise for their own repsective high end performance.
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- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:03:34 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Olds 330 info

..Anybody have any experience with the Jetaway?

     It makes a good door stop.

Thats what I am stuck with.  Does anyone know for sure if a stall converter 
for the th350 &400 will fit this,  My gut at the shop says yes but he's 
only 99%.  Anyone actually try it?
     
     
     I don't know about the converter, but a TH350 will almost fall into 
     place instead of the Junkaway.  From a length and mount standpoint 
     it's a bolt-in.  The original driveshaft will also work, but I'm not 
     completely sure about the front yolk (you may need to swap it).  The 
     only other issue is the need to fabricate an attachment for the 
     kickdown cable (TH350 uses a cable kickdown instead of the electric 
     kickdown switch used on the Jetaway and TH400).  In the 69-up cars, 
     this cable passes through a square hole in the firewall (the cable has 
     a molded-in fitting which snaps into this hole) and is attached to the 
     gas pedal in a special welded-on tab.  Since you have a 330, I assume 
     you have a 64-67 car, which will require some sort of fabrication.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:14:22 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Hot engine problem

John Richmond asked:

..My question is how come all of a sudden the fan is
now rubbing against the shroud. Could it be the cold weather 
caused the plastic to deform?
     
     John, 
     
     Unfortunately, the more likely cause is a broken motor mount.  Better 
     check and replace immediately if that is, in fact, the case.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:11:47 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Valve covers and Tach

I am wondering if anyone knows if a set of valve covers from a 350 will fit a 
330?  

     Yes, they will bolt on.

Are the heads the same?  

     They may not be the same casting, but they are functionally the same - the 
     330 and 350 are dimensionally the same (as are all small block Olds 
     motors, including the 260, 307, and 403).

Also I have never installed a tach does anyone have any pointers on how to 
install one to my F-85?
     
     Just three wires, right.  Power (+12v), ground, and distributor side 
     of the coil.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:30:51 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?

Mike Rothe, replying to Doc Bob, wrote:
     
Something I've ran across in my day, was a 69 442 with this very problem 
you describe.  It ended up being a ground for the TAILLIGHTS! Apparently, 
the fuse for the taillights and dash lights are the same.  I was driving 
along, hit a bump, then oops! No dash lights, yet everything else worked 
just as you described....

     Mike,
     
     As you did, I found out about Oldsmobile's shared circuit the hard 
     way.  Unfortunately, my problem was much more obscure.  It turns out 
     that not only the dash and taillights share this circuit, but also the 
     feed for the underhood light.  Unfortunately, if one doesn't have an 
     underhood light, and the feed wire for said nonexistent light happens 
     to hang loose and lay on a header during a random bump, then bounce 
     out of the way on the next bump...
     
     Needless to say, this frustrated me for months, usually because by the 
     time I had gotten the car home and was able to start tracing the 
     circuit the wire was no longer grounded out.  I finally ended up 
     tracing every wire in that circuit, checking each for a short, until I 
     found that the underhood light shared that circuit and that the feed 
     wire's insulation was melted through....
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:22:19 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: '70 Dash Lights Out- Solutions?

     Bob,
     
     I vote for the switch.  I have pretty much the same problem on my 70, 
     where using the headlight switch to turn on the dome light will cause 
     the dash lights to go off.  Wiggling the light knob will get them back 
     on.  I suspect the rheostat contacts in the switch are crudded up 
     after all these years, but I just can't bring myself to spend the time 
     to pull the switch and blast it with contact cleaner.  I suspect it 
     will take a hard failure (likely far from home and in the rain) to 
     force me to do it.  ;-)
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:43:32 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 506 Olds Engine Possibility?

In a message dated 98-01-21 22:57:05 EST, you write:

<< Didnt someone figure out before that a 455 Crank in a 403 block would
 produce a 596 small block or something crazy like that?
  >>
heh, think that was me.  some guy around here has done a few like that.  comes
out to be like a 540cid small block.  lots of custom stuff, though.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 01:50:03 GMT
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Axle Ratio

Fernando Proietto asked:

..I want 3.73 but I'm not sure it will fit my carrier. I think there 
might be a limit as to the size of gear and the carrier. Anyone know 
more on this, please jump in...
     
     Fernando,
     
     I don't know about the later axles, but the 10- and 12-bolt carriers 
     come in two flavors, 3-series and 4-series.  The difference is in the 
     dimension from the mounting face of the ring gear to the pinion 
     centerline.  The higher-numerical ratios (I think the limit is 3.73 
     and up, but I'm not quite sure) use a 4-series carrier.  These ratios 
     require a smaller diameter pinion gear, since the max number of teeth 
     on the ring gear is pretty much fixed, to achieve the proper ratio.  
     This results in the need to move the ring gear closer to the pinion 
     centerline.
     
     Gear vendors have been putting 4-series gears in 3-series carriers for 
     years by using a ring-shaped spacer under the ring gear.  The problem 
     with this is that the carrier-to-ring gear bolts, which normally are 
     loaded in shear, now also see a significant bending load due to this 
     spacer.  Higher strength bolts can be used to overcome this concern.
     
     Some gear vendors have also been making 4-series gears with thicker 
     blanks - basically making the spacer an integral part of the gear.  
     This, of course, eliminates the problem of additional bolt bending.  
     These are the gear sets you see advertised as "4.11:1 - for 3-series 
     carriers only".
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:05:59 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Axle Ratio

> good basis to start from . Maybe next year I will change the gearing. I
> want 3.73 but I'm not sure it will fit my carrier. I think there might
> be a limit as to the size of gear and the carrier. Anyone know more on
> this, please jump in...
> Fernando Proietto

Fernando, if I'm not mistaken, the following are the 3 sets of gear/carrier
sizes in standard GM axles:

- - 2.73 and below
- - 3.08 to 3.73
- - 3.90 and up

So what I gather judging on what I've been told by various people (and even
some GM dealers) is that you won't be able to put gears from the 3.08-3.73
range into the 2.73 carrier.  No real biggie, just change the carrier too -
get a whole nice new aftermarket unit from Auburn Gear or something like
that.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:22:20 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Holley Carbs

BIG JERMES wrote:

> hey, if any of you guys are running a holley, what size?  jet sizes?  i got a
> holley quadrajet replacement carb in my garage, and i was thinking about using
> it.  its a 650, spreadbore, and has dual accelerator pumps.  it will need a
> rebuild, but im sure i can get a kit for it.  oh yea, this will be going on a
> '78 cutlass with a '72 350.  i have an edelbrock intake and all that stuff, no
> egr, and open element air cleaner, so im thinking this carb will run a little
> richer than my '80 quadrajet.  what size jets and all do you guys use?  any
> info would be great.

I'm going to be running an 800cfm spreadbore double-pumper (list 6211) on my 468
BB Chevy.  I recently bought a Trick Kit from Holley for the carb which is a
rebuild kit that comes with a bunch of different cams for the accelerator pumps
and squirters, but not jets.  The kit cost me $90 Cdn and a box of a bunch of
different sized jets would run another $45.  I'm going to be running the Q-Jet I
had on my 403 Olds motor until the 468 has been broken in and tuned a bit.  Then
I'll throw another foreign object onto the engine (the Holley).  I don't want to
be fighting with the idle while initially breaking in the engine.  Therefore I
haven't even bothered to check what jets the beast has at the moment, but I'll get
into that in the spring.

As for info, I picked up 2 books from S-A Design called HOLLEY REBUILDING &
MODIFYING (A Guide To Holley Modular Carbs  #SA27) and HOLLEY CARBURETORS
(Performance, Street, and Off-Road Applications  #SA08).  These books really
helped me to understand how the Holley carbs work.  I've worked on Q-Jets before,
but I was scared of touching a Holley until I read through part of the books.
Very informative and definately worth the money if you plan on doing any mods or
tuning to your Holley.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:18:51 -0800
From: Erik <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Valve covers and Tach

padavano.joe wrote:
> 
> I am wondering if anyone knows if a set of valve covers from a 350 will fit a
> 330?
> 
>      Yes, they will bolt on.
> 
> Are the heads the same?
> 
>      They may not be the same casting, but they are functionally the same - the
>      330 and 350 are dimensionally the same (as are all small block Olds
>      motors, including the 260, 307, and 403).
> 
> Also I have never installed a tach does anyone have any pointers on how to
> install one to my F-85?
> 
>      Just three wires, right.  Power (+12v), ground, and distributor side
>      of the coil.
> 
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30


On my Autogage tach it has 4 wires.  Red, white, black, and green.  I
think red and white goto 12v power, black ground, and green to the
distrubotr side of coil.

Erik B.
'72 Cutlass S

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:32:57 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: rear end question

> Did 77 Cutlass's come with a posi rear end?
> Chris Kugler

I know the 4-4-2s did, Chris - right now I'm running a 2.41 (ick) posi
that my bro yanked from a '77 4-4-2.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
468 BigBlock '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:39:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: Single to Dual exhaust

I just put a cat back dual exhaust system on my '87 Salon, it really makes the
307 sound like my dad's built up 400 in the '69 442.  I ordered the system
through my Olds dealer, the only problem with this is that I ahd to wait the
better part of last summer for it.  I think that the whole system cost a little
over $500 installed, but am not sure at this time.  this system runs a Y-pipe
from the cat, then to dual mufflers with side exit exhaut pipes.  My car now
sounds as good as it looks.

			Robb Yasczak	vjtd@grove.iup.edu
			
			1969 442
                        1969 Cutlass S Convertible
			1976 442
			1987 Cutlass Salon T-top

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:07:07 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: '69 442 grille and stuff

Dan,

The 68/69 Cutlasses had grey grills with only veritcal members.  The 442's
had black grills with bothe vertical and horizontal members, with much
closer spacing between the elements.  I remember whether there is any
difference between the headlight doors.

Jim
69
442 conv

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:

>   Basically what I would like to
> know is if they came from the facotry with the blacked-out grille pieces
> and headlight surrounds?  Mine presently has the standard grey on all
> pieces and as far as I know, they are orig. equipment.
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:10:45 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: 442's and Cutlass(es) and others for sale

> gone to the web to see if they sold or not yet.  If interested go to the
> Barrett-Jackson web site...pretty cool page and well worth checking out.

So what is the address?  I'd like to go there.

Thanks
Jim

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:08:55 -0500
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Hot engine problem

John Richmond wrote:

> No, I don't think that's the problem. The fan is grabbing on the
> top of the shroud.
>
> It is prolly the front body mounts either one fell out or just
> setteling from old age. happened to me once.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:04:13 EST
From: DKlauber <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 442's and Cutlass(es) and others for sale

www.barrett-jackson.com/
another site to check Olds prices is the Kruse International Auction web site
www.kruseinternational.com/

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:27:03 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: rear end question

Chris Kugler wrote:
> 
> Did 77 Cutlass's come with a posi rear end?
> 
> Chris Kugler
> talcarol@erie.net

 My 1979 Cutlass had one.

- -Loris

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:47:13 -0500 (EST)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Eldenback (?) Carb

A friend at work used an (not sure about the spelling)  1406, 600 CFM,
with an adapter plate on a C--vy 350 eng.  (He thinks it is a Holley with
the Eldenbach name.) Price at Parts America was $265 plus $18 for the
adapter.  It has an aluminum body (vice cast), which he thinks is better
than cast. 

Anyway, he bolted it on and it worked fine without any adjustments other
than idle speed. 

Anyone have experience with this product?  And what model would you use on
a 400ci, non-ram air setup?

Thanks.
Don Sugarman


sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:17 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: Eldenback (?) Carb

Don,

	I've been using Eldebrock carbs for a number of years for both full-up
racing as well as on the street with no appreciable problems.  The 1406
is a solid performer for street use.  As for it being a Holley with an
Eldebrock name plate - NO.  It is an all Eldebrock design and
manufacture.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


>----------
>From: 	The Sugarmans[SMTP:sugarman@berkshire.net]
>Sent: 	Thursday, 1998 January, 22 08:47 14:21
>To: 	Olds List
>Subject: 	Eldenback (?) Carb
>
>>Anyone have experience with this product?  And what model would you use on
>>a 400ci, non-ram air setup?
>
>Thanks.
>Don Sugarman
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:57:02 +0000
From: "Rick" <Richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Color Scheme 

I have a delema and figured I would throw this out on the list and 
see what the responses are. My Interior is Marroon and I want to 
paint the car over. Any suggestions on color except for the plain 
colors like White and things like that I want it to be different.
1964 Olds 442 F-85
1987 Monte Carlo SS
Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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