
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, December 17 1997    Volume 01 : Number 1016



Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: The Perfect Woman
Re: Clutch problems.
Re: Sad Rad
Hurst Olds Dual Gate Shifter
greg belieu
4 core radiator
Re: Possessed Windshield Wipers
plating
Re: Go Speed Racer!
Engine Software
Re: Odd ball question
Re: Transporting car across the country
Fuel filters (was: Inline filters)
Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: Engine Software
Re: off the wall question.
Re: License Plate ideas...MY BE OFFENSIVE TO PURITANS
Temporarily off list 
Hurst Olds Shifter
Re: License Plate ideas
Re: Transporting car across the country
RE: Odd ball question
Blasphemy???
Re: Hurst Olds Shifter
Re: License Plate ideas
Re: Odd ball question
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Tires and Goodbyes
Performance Tests...
1970 dash overlays
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
My Classic Car Photo Contest
Re: 4 core radiator
Re: Odd ball question
Gold Engine paint?
Hooker Headers for my car????
Re: Tires and Goodbyes
Re: Old Racer's Trick
Re: License Plate ideas
Re: Sad Rad
Email Christmas Card
MCC online Grand finale voting
UNBOUNCE: My Classic Car Photo Contest 
Speaking of demonic possessions
UNBOUNCE: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: License Plate ideas...
Re: Email Christmas Card
Re: MCC online Grand finale voting
Re: Email Christmas Card
Re: Gold Engine paint?
1978 Cutlass
Re: 1970 dash overlays
Re: Email Christmas Card
Re: Email Christmas Card
wheather stripping questions
Re: 68 Cutlass S interior
Re: Olds History Center
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: 1970 dash overlays
Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:02:24 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>That is the description of a Positive Crankcase Ventilation system,
>regardless of whether it has a "PCV" valve or not. The other alternatives
>are a completely closed system (which has recently been retrofitted to
>certain German Oldsmobiles, unfortunately with less-than successful results,
>right, Roland... ;), or the traditional HOMV system involving an open draft
>tube. As long as there is something actually drawing the crankcase gases out
>of the crankcase, you've got a PCV system.

The only difference between CV and PCV as i have read from the chilton on
Q4 cars is how they use fresh air! thats' it. PCV adds fresh air to the
crankcase, and CV system doesn't. everything else is the same. there is no
crossflow in teh cylinder head. nothing runs thru the intake but air. only
1 lage vacuum line connects to the throttle body from the crankcase.
probably to suck out the vapors in there and re burn them. 


>
>Now, I'm just wondering whether the Quad4 motors introduce the exhaust gases
>into the intake stream at any point. They have a crossflow head design,
>right? EGR is more difficult on such designs, though not impossible. Is the
>intake preheated in any way?

No the intake is not preheated, but the throttle body portion is by some
coolant lines. 

AEROTECH
aka Jeff Verkleeren

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:05:15 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

boy sounds like you gots a your hands full there!





>Maybe I've been thinking wrong.  The perfect woman I know, who hapens to
>have all my love, does not own any Oldses. She's got a Pontiac, so that's
>almost as cool.  Now if only she ate meat and didn't give me a hard time
>about loving my car more than her.  At least she's got a brother with a
>big block Camaro (not the most original!).  But her hair is four feet
>long, so that's perfect enough for me!!!!
>
>Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass 
>
>
>

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Date: 17 Dec 1997 10:28:00 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Re: Clutch problems.

Chris,
OL>Dave,

OL>     Would this happen all the time or only when the car gets warmed up?  Mi
OL>seems to do this once the car is hot.

OL>Thanks

Heat has a funny way of changing the properties of things.  As I
remember from the last time I had this trouble, the hotter the clutch
got, the worse the chatter.  It would seem possible that the problem
could be non existent when cold and come back when warm.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:20:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Sad Rad

I'm having a hard time figuring out where the coolant goes when the 
car is cold in the arrangement where the heater hose dumps back into 
the rad.

Isn't the effect the same as driving with no thermostat or at least 
an open thermostat? Seems to me it would take forever to get the stuff 
warm on a really cold day.

BTW, I drove it last night and could find no leak. Go figure.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:20:16 -0500
From: Kyle Tilbe <GTE/kftilbe@gte.net>
Subject: Hurst Olds Dual Gate Shifter

Saw an ad for a Hurst Olds console w/dual gate Hurst shifter out of a 75 
Oldsmobile. $150.00.
What other years will this work in, and is the price reasonable.

Thanks, Kyle

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:25:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: greg belieu

greg,
I am leaving for the holidays and wanted to get taken of the list until 
jan 20th.  im not sure how to do this so if someone could take me off, it 
would save me a million emails when i get back.  thanks from me and all 
the pocket rockers out there.  Mission when i get back--fire up LYnn and 
have a smoke show!  happy oldsmodays!

shaun
q4 guru
 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 08:21:47 -0800
From: IRA <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: 4 core radiator

Does anybody know what hardware is required to convert a 72 cutlass to a
4 core rad, and where to get any needed hardware?

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:48:09 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: Possessed Windshield Wipers

I had this on my '81 Pontiac kept playing around thinking it was loose
connections but fnally ended up replacing the washer pump assembly which
included the parking switch.  From memory their are some switches and cams
in the pump which control how long it stays on when you hit the wash switch
and also reversing the motor to make it park.  There is also a circuit
board which contains the timer for the pulse function and has the parking
switch mounted on the back.  I found that the rubbing surfaces were
basically worn out and replacing it fixed it.

If you want to get into it, I think the schematics are in the service
manual, if you can't find it email me privately and I can fax/send it to
you.

>Maybe someone here can help me out with this one...
>
>   My wipers stopped working, so I checked everything and then finally
>realized I blew a fuse.. I replaced the fuse and everything was hunky dory
>for a few days. Then the wipers would come on for no reason..and then they
>wouldn't come on when I wanted them to!!
>
>I took all the connectors out and cleaned them up, and I got the ghost
>out, but I only have 1 speed now - high.. I lost low and my pulse..
>This completely mystifies me.. All my books don't describe any way to
>diagnose the wiper system..
>
>BTW: The washer hasn't worked for 3 years so any ideas on that one would
>be appreciated too..
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
>T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350
>mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu
>
>University of Oklahoma
>Aerospace  Engineering
>Mechanical Engineering
>



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:50:41 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: plating

Astro physicists,

	Can anyone recommend a bumper replater in the Philadelphia area....


					The General

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:55:33 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Go Speed Racer!

Randy,
Man, can I relate to that!!!! Edmond OK huh? I'm born & raised in OKC, are
you in the Olds club up there?




CCRR12@aol.com on 12/17/97 01:40:38 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Scott Wheeler/PrePress/PBI)
Subject:  Re: Go Speed Racer!




Scott Wheeler,
My 4 year old locks our tv on Nick or Disney. My problem is distracting on
the
weekends so I can record TNN slots with My Classic Car & Hot Rod TV. That
is
when I wish I had cable instead of Directv.
Randy in Edmond, Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:01:46 -0700
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: Engine Software

 
Hello All!

I've heard about some software that can be run on your computer that will let you mix and match various engine components on a particular engine and let you know how this effects performance. Is this true? Has anyone used it, and with what results? Finally, where could I find it (if it's worth finding)?

BTW, I took my '68 Cutlass Supreme out on the ice for the first time a few days ago.  I was really surprised how well it drove. It kinda slapped me in the face, RWD cars are so FUN ! 

Thanks!
Tom Starkey - New Olds Fan!

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:06:26 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Odd ball question

Hi all,

I have an oddball question.  We discussed diesel engines a while 
back, I remembered someone saying that these engines run at a very
high compression, more so than gas-powered ones.  So is the diesel
gas that is available at the pumps have a real high octane level to
avoid pre-detonation?  What I am trying to see is if a person could
mix part diesel gas and part regular high-octane gas to get an even
higher octane gas mixture.

Just a thought.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:09:51 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

Hi all,

Another question I have for the group is has anyone every had a car 
shipped from say the midwest to either coast (USA)?  According to a 
friend of mine it can run from $700 - $1000US.  Almost doesn't make
it worth buying outside your area unless you get a car for dirt cheap.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:13:33 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Fuel filters (was: Inline filters)

This brings up a question I was wondering about.  If you look inside the fuel
filter that fits in a quadrajet, there's something that I can only describe as an
anti-drainback valve on the inside.  A small rubber peice held in by a spring.  My
dad, who is an ex drag racer from the 60's and early 70's, said one of the first
things they would usually do to a car is to remove the drainback valve from the
filter in the quadrajet.  He says it's only purpose is to keep fuel from draining
out if the car should flip over, which doesn't make sense to me since it'd just
drain out the bowl vent tube.

Anyhow, has anyone heard of doing something like this to increase fuel flow?  I was
just recently looking at the different fram filters in the store and noticed
another one that would fit, which seems identical except for not having this
anti-drainback valve.

Padavano.Joe wrote:

> Gregg Greer asked:
>
>          Also, could anyone who has switched to an inline filter suggest a good
> setup or a particular brand or type of filter to use?  As always, any
> help/futher insight with this would be
> greatly appreciated.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:01:53 -0500
From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

At 11:00 PM 12/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

>patching up my "swiss-cheese" trunk floor: some aluminum sheet panels, 

  I can only hope these were supplied by your local DOT.  <grin!>

>1) I took my daughter for a ride around the neighborhood yesterday to look
>at the Christmas lights, when all of a sudden my "GEN" light comes on...
..
>couple months, until I'm *sure* about that one. My question: would a
>loose/faulty connection at that plug-in wire to the alternator
>(externally-regulated) cause the "GEN" light to come on? Is it likely that
>I've solved the problem, or is this just a cruel trick being played on me by

   It's possible.   Also possible that if you have the vibrating type
regulator that those contacts may be dirty/stuck from sitting a long time.   

>2) The blower motor (new unit) didn't come on when I finally hooked
..
>find the appropriate piece at a parts yard. Has anyone had good luck
>replacing this inline fuse with, say, a 30A circuit-breaker? If I'm going to

   That's what I do.   Just grab the 30A or 50A breaker out of a later fuse
panel and go to town...

>4) Wipers not working either... :( The linkage doesn't appear to be frozen,
>so I guess the culprit is the motor (which also sat exposed for the last ten
>years...). I take good care of my cars, don't I???

    There are contacts under the cover on the wiper motor.  Judging by the
other problems, I think all the electric problems are coming from dirty
connections.  

>5) Turn signals are, well, erratic, but differently for each side. On the
..
>I'm going to clean the bulb sockets and replace any burnt bulbs (left-inner

   I had a simular problem on my '71 - the socket itself is crimped onto
the fixture, which is also the ground path.  Crimp got rusty, got loose,
and caused intermittent operation - with no ground it tries to ground back
thru the parking light assembly.   Don't forget the possibilities of a
shorted (internally) bulb!

    FWIW, I'm probably going to be having this same fun soon, since I'll be
putting my '71 back on the road after 8 months of outdoor storage.  8^(

>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

- ---> Bob Valentine 
- --> ravalent@liii.com

>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:47:10 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

Lately I have had a ping/tick in my engine when I have a slight load on it.
 Such as going up a hill staying at a constant speed.  It only occurs when
I am running mid-range rpm's.  If I let off of the gas or step on it, it
goes away.  Also if I fun high octain fuel the problem lessens, but I hate
to just cover up a problem.  I am by no means a mechanic, Any Suggestions???

Matt
85 442

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:54:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Software

- ---Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com> wrote:
>
>  
> Hello All!
> 
> I've heard about some software that can be run on your computer that
will let you mix and match various engine components on a particular
engine and let you know how this effects performance

Desktop Dyno let's you mix and match different engine parameters, like
valve size, porting, cams, headers etc.
You then get a H.P. Torque curve as the result. I set up an Olds 350
on it, with as close as possible to the Edelbrock "Power Package". The
result came out hust over 400 H.P. at just over 6000 RPM. Pretty close
to Edelbrock's actual dyno result of 397.
You can get it from Mr. Gasket Co. or at a GM Performance Parts counter.


==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:54:50 -0500
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: off the wall question.

> > 
> > Jerry Christopher wrote:
> > 
> > >Does anyone besides me name thier ride?
> > 
I just sold my 1970 Plym*uth Fury III convertible this week. I bought it
off a woman named Wilma Jean, so I named it that. I bought my 1969 Delta
from a man named Jerry Dean, and even though it rhymes with Wilma Jean, I
believe that you never name anything that moves after a male, so I decided
to call her 'Goldeneye' after the Bond flick and the fact that she's a
beautifule shade of Olds Topaz.

Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 13:02:45 -0500
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...MY BE OFFENSIVE TO PURITANS

Welp Mom, since Charley said bad words, I'll say'em too

A pilot friend of mine showed me this in a pilot mag, a Florida plate:
URAPNES

Here in Ohio, they have a computer terminal at some BMV stations which
allow you to check the availablity of a plate before you request it, so I
scanned through it for cool olds-related plates, with most being taken. My
boss always joked that he wanted the plate FRBRGR (figure it out) so I
checked it out and it's available! Guess they can't check everything. 

What's even funnier, there was a stink (pun intended) awhile back from some
motorists who were issued standard out-of-the-box plates beginning with
'ANL.'  The BMV said it took great care in removing certain letter combos,
BAD, PIG, SUK, GOD, DOG etc. but didn't think anything wrong in issuing the
ANL series of plates. 

I can't see what the problem is, the way I figure it, all those who
complained are now rightfully and properly labelled for all to see!


Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 13:06:01 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Temporarily off list 

   Olds List:
     
   Had to abruptly pull off list, (using too much bandwidth) Will be 
   back soon.  Please send any individual email directly to address 
   below.
     
   Vince Knight - knightvd@norand.com
     
   71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:28:15 -0500
From: Kyle Tilbe <kftilbe@gte.net>
Subject: Hurst Olds Shifter

Saw an ad for a Hurst Olds console w/dual gate Hurst shifter out of a 75
Oldsmobile. $150.00.
What other years will this work in, and is the price reasonable.

Thanks, Kyle

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:31:24 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas

     My 72 W30 carries guess what as a vanity plate: 72 W30! I had it
for years as a regular plate and now have the same thing on an
historic plate. At one of the CCR 'dustoff' car shows my car was
sitting next to fellow member Emmitt Putnam's 72 H/O which has 72HURST
as it's plate. A spectator came up to us and asked "What years are
those 2 cars?" ARGHHHHHHH! Still not as bad as "You gotta
four-fourty-two in that?" LOL :) 
     I added some more details on our fleet of cars at the web site.
Sorry, still no pictures!  

===
John Pajak (Internut)                 JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:54:04 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

At 09:09 AM 12/17/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Another question I have for the group is has anyone every had a car 
>shipped from say the midwest to either coast (USA)?  According to a 
>friend of mine it can run from $700 - $1000US.  Almost doesn't make
>it worth buying outside your area unless you get a car for dirt cheap.
>
>Chris Sparks

Well I can't say I had mine shipped to a coast.  But my 442 came from
Milwaukee and it was $450 to ship it out here to Colorado.  Not sure if
thats of any help to you but I thought I'd share.  Do take a look at a
Hemmings though and call up a few places.  Theres plenty of people that do
it and usually they'll give you a quote over the phone.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 14:55:37 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: Odd ball question

Chris,

	While it is true that diesel engines run higher compression ratios,
their operation is completely different from gasoline engines.  Diesel
engines utilize "glow plugs" for the initial start-up, afterwards the
engine will run until it's fuel supply is cut off.  Gasoline engines
need the spark at the top of each cycle to run.  Also, the specific
gravities of the two fuels are different as well as their chemical
make-up.  To make it short, DON'T PUT DIESEL FUEL IN A GASOLINE ENGINE.
If your vehicle needs a higher octane rating than what is available at
the pump (94 for SUNOCO, 93 for everybody else) buy a bottle of 104 or
Outlaw Octane Booster and follow the directions until you reach your
desired octane.

	My 2 cents.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


>----------
>From: 	Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)[SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, 1997 December, 17 12:06 14:21
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Odd ball question
>
>Hi all,
>
>I have an oddball question.  We discussed diesel engines a while 
>back, I remembered someone saying that these engines run at a very
>high compression, more so than gas-powered ones.  So is the diesel
>gas that is available at the pumps have a real high octane level to
>avoid pre-detonation?  What I am trying to see is if a person could
>mix part diesel gas and part regular high-octane gas to get an even
>higher octane gas mixture.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Chris Sparks
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:57:08 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Blasphemy???

Hi All,

	First of all, thanks for all input on my rear end, my car's rear that is.
It is still at the service station, i went by yesterday to say hi to it.
It was sitting outside with the axle removed, is there any danger that
rainwater and kondensation will get inside the housing and cause it to rust?

	The real purpose of this post is to give you all a link to a page i found
while surfing the net during my lunch hour....    Check out
http://www.kitcar.com/nckcc97.html and scroll down the page untill you get
to the Thunder Cruiser.  Someone took a 62 T-bird and added the back/roof
portion of a 65 Vista Cruiser to make himself a Thunder Cruiser.  I
sincerely hope that he used the top from a wrecked or otherwise
unsalvagable VC.  To us Oldsmobilers, it is clearly blasphemy, but it
clearly shows that it takes an Olds to top (!) a Ford.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:01:46 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds Shifter

Kyle Tilbe wrote:
> 
> Saw an ad for a Hurst Olds console w/dual gate Hurst shifter out of a 75
> Oldsmobile. $150.00.
> What other years will this work in, and is the price reasonable.
> 
> Thanks, Kyle

'73-77 if I'm not mistaken. Where did you find this?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:01:36 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas

Hi all,

I just order myself some plates and got 442OLDZ.  Not bad huh?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:24:51 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: Odd ball question

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:06:26 -0800 "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)"
<mrada@catalina-inter.net> writes:
>Hi all,
>
.  So is the diesel
>gas that is available at the pumps have a real high octane level to
>avoid pre-detonation? 
            
              Sounds like apples and oranges to me.

             There is no such thing as "diesel gas". Diesel is a fuel
similar to the fuel oil you use to heat your house. 

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:21:48 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

m-hanneman@onu.edu wrote:
> 
> Lately I have had a ping/tick in my engine when I have a slight load on it.
>  Such as going up a hill staying at a constant speed.  It only occurs when
> I am running mid-range rpm's.  If I let off of the gas or step on it, it
> goes away.  Also if I fun high octain fuel the problem lessens, but I hate
> to just cover up a problem.  I am by no means a mechanic, Any Suggestions???

I've got that, too (in my 84 Cutlass, 307 V8).  I keep hearing that the EGR
valve could be bad and leaning out the mixture.  I'm going to replace it
over my Christmas break and I'll report back sometime in mid-Jan, when I
get back on the list.  Hope this helps, I'll let ya know if it fixes
mine...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:24:59 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Tires and Goodbyes

Well, I got my new BFGoodrich Radial T/A's put on today, 225/60R14.  They
lower the car down about 1/2" and look real cool, so I'll say I'm happy so
far.  These things look much more sporty than the Firestones did; maybe
because they're a 60 series and I had a 70 series.  I'll *ns*bscr*b* from
the list in the next couple of days because I'm going home for Christmas. 
If I can find a modem laying around home, I might jump back on...otherwise,
I'll see everyone around the 10th of Jan.  Hope everyone gets all the Olds
goodies they asked for!  Happy holidays. 
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:01:18 EST
From: NotDads442 <NotDads442@aol.com>
Subject: Performance Tests...

Awhile back someone had posted performance figures (0-20,30,40, etc...) tests
for a particular Oldsmobile car which I believe came from another web site.

Does anybody wher I could find a similar site for NEW vehicles.  I'm looking
to compare to vehicles with different rear ratios to see how the different
gears affect overall acceleration.

TIA
Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
OCA# 29604

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:24:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 1970 dash overlays

I have called quite a few places looking for the burl wood dash overlays for my
70 cutlass conv't.  No one seems to have them and they do not know if they are
ven going to be making them anymore.  Does anyone know whats going on?  Better
yet does anyone know how I can resolve my problem?

Thanks
Doug Harkema
1970 CS conv't
Holt, MI

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:25:12 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>> Lately I have had a ping/tick in my engine when I have a slight load on it.
>
>I've got that, too (in my 84 Cutlass, 307 V8).  

Thanks Jason,
I'll be off the list for a couple of weeks, but I'll be back on the
begining on Jan.  I'll be looking for your results.

Matt
85 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:35:09 EST
From: BobH592058 <BobH592058@aol.com>
Subject: My Classic Car Photo Contest

Hi guys:

Just sticking my head in because the photo contest on My Classic Car has
reached the finals.

Of course, I hope you ALL will make a vote for an Olds and I hope for mine.

It is car number 16, 16, got it? Yeah 16.    ;-)

They've changed the method of voting, it's actually a bit easier, I think. All
you have to do is sent an email to:

                  services@myclassiccar.com

with an indication of which car you are voting for.

Mine is 16 in case you forgot. 

And you can vote as many times as you have access to e-mail addresses! One
vote per address.

Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to everyone on the list!

Bob Handren 
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:50:12 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 4 core radiator

IRA wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know what hardware is required to convert a 72 cutlass to a
> 4 core rad, and where to get any needed hardware?

Don't know where to find the actual parts, so you'll have to search and
ask.  Cars originally equipped with the 4-cores are good donor cars. 
Not sure if the 68-70s are the same as your 72, but I know 71-72 cutlass
top plates are.  But what you will need to do the job "correctly" is a
4-core rad top plate, and the two radiator bottom pad supports (U-shaped
brackets) and the rubber pads (pads available from restoration houses) 
The lower brackets are tack welded at the factory, but you can easily
remove them from a donor car, and transfer them to yours.  If you can't
get them tack welded, then I suggest a couple of small sheet metal
screws from the top to hold them in place.  And of course the 4-core
radiator itself.  And maybe some new radiator side rubber flap seals to
cover the gap.  That's about it.

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:08:42 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Odd ball question

> I have an oddball question.  We discussed diesel engines a while
> back, I remembered someone saying that these engines run at a very
> high compression, more so than gas-powered ones.  So is the diesel
> gas that is available at the pumps have a real high octane level to
> avoid pre-detonation? 
> 
Chris, I can see where a logical approach to this could lead you to
believe that.  However, gasoline and diesel fuel are two separate
animals, even though they are loosely related.  

Keeping it simple and quick:  Gasoline vapor ignition temperatures are
well below diesel fuel's, but that is not the main reason for the
difference in compression ratings.  Gasoline is mixed with air in the
combustion chamber, and ideally, compression in a gas engine alone is
not enough to ignite it (well, if it does, it is called spark knock or
worse, detonation).  A spark is induced at the proper time by the spark
plug, and ignition occurs rapidly in the chamber.  Diesels just compress
air and then inject fuel.  As you squeeze air, temperature of the air
rises.  Squeeze it tight enough, and you can have some pretty hot air. 
Since diesels have no spark plugs (not to be confused with glow plugs),
fuel is injected directly into the cylinder at the proper time.  As the
fuel entering is atomized, a large surface area of diesel fuel comes in
contact with the hot air, and the air temp is high enough to ignite the
fuel with no external spark.  Although quick, diesel fuel has a slower
burn rate than gasoline.(Less volatile)  Very efficient system, these
diesels.  However, mixing the two formulations will not yield any
benefits to a gas engine, unless you want low power and lots of smoke. 
And you certainly don't want gasoline in a diesel engine, for the burn
rate is too high and it could explode the engine.  Detonation in a gas
engine is to be avoided, but is the exact means of ignition in a diesel.

There's a lot more to the differences, but it's not really an issue of
octane.  I hope this makes it clear as mud.


- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:27:33 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Gold Engine paint?

I know this has been discussed many times and I never paid attention to
it because it didn't apply to me at the time. ***well, now it does***
- -D'oh! Who makes the best Olds Gold Engine Paint? Will it withstand
header temps?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:31:30 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Hooker Headers for my car????

Does Hooker make the right fit headers for the '73-77 years of Cutlass
Supreme? It seems as though the correct ones are listed in Mondello's
but I wanted to be sure by asking the experts or someone who has
experience. I have to buy another set because the Heddman's I had didn't
fit right, and the jack*ss who put them on, had to bend them and left a
hole in them with sticks of solder hanging off it. They're trashed, so I
need a new pair.

Also, how can I get in contact with Hooker?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:51:08 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Tires and Goodbyes

Jason,

Merry Christmas to you Jason & happy new year.  I wish the same for all who
are vacationing or going home on Christmas break.  Merry Christmas & happy
new year to all of us who will be home & working.

Peace on earth - good will to all men.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


  I'll *ns*bscr*b* from
>the list in the next couple of days because I'm going home for Christmas.
>If I can find a modem laying around home, I might jump back on...otherwise,
>I'll see everyone around the 10th of Jan.  Hope everyone gets all the Olds
>goodies they asked for!  Happy holidays.
>_____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:41:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Malcolm Gillespie <droptop_69@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Old Racer's Trick

- ---Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu> wrote:

> For water port leaks, you'd see coolant around the outside of the
intake, or
> white foamy stuff in your oil. For intake port leaks, look for an
erratic
> idle (standard vacuum leak check). For a crossover leak, listen for an
> exhaust "tick" at the center of the intake manifold. I share the same
> paranoia about my Performer on my 403; can't be sure there's no
leak, but
> I've got no good indication that there *is* one, either.

Thanks for the responses.
Funny, I don't have any of the symptons described and didn't even
consider that it leaked until all of the dire posts on different
installation methods and the problems that could result.
Still can't help but think "what if" though.

==
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass convertible
DropTop_69@yahoo.com (temporary e-mail)
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:43:43 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas

> I just order myself some plates and got 442OLDZ.  Not bad huh?
> 
What car are you putting it on???  ;)  I was completely unoriginal and
got HURST69.  It was my 3rd choice, but, hey, they're mine....

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:11:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Rad

Hi Greg,

> I'm having a hard time figuring out where the coolant goes when the 
> car is cold in the arrangement where the heater hose dumps back into 

The way I understand things, coolant exits the right rear of the engine
(from the cylinder head or intake depending on the car) through a
restrictor, flows to the heater core then to the right hand radiator
tank just under the filler cap, continues downward past the transmission
cooler, and finally returns to the water pump by way of the lower hose.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:08:20 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Email Christmas Card

Hey all

I've got an email Christmas card to send to some of you.  I took me over
10 minutes to accept it (mom sent if from her work).  It pretty funny,
animation and music.  If you'd like to see it let me know.

Paul 
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:06:52 EST
From: Two72W30S <Two72W30S@aol.com>
Subject: MCC online Grand finale voting

Hello all Oldsmobile friends and list members.  It is time for the
My classic car Grand finale voting.  My 1972 442 W-30 won the 
sixth week and made the finale cut.  I am asking for your 
votes to make an OlDSMOBILE the top car at MCC. 
Here is the short cut link to MCC 
<A HREF="http://www.myclassiccar.com/covermain.html">
http://www.myclassiccar.com/covermain.html</A> 

They have made the voting tough this time.  They are asking for
direct email and checking for one vote per person.  So I am asking again
or should I say pleading my case, please vote for my OLDSMOBILE.

On another note Bob Handren and Larry Polesnak's Oldsmobiles are also in the 
contest.  Use your best judgement in voting for these OLD'S, but I would
apprecitate
it if your vote went to my OLDS.  Car number 4 on the link.

Thanks to everyone in advance and you all have a safe and Happy Holiday and
contine Happy Oldsmobiling.

Thanks again MARK K PRINCE
W MACHINES
1972 442 W-30 
Two72W30s@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:04:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: My Classic Car Photo Contest 

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	BobH592058 <BobH592058@aol.com>
Subject: My Classic Car Photo Contest

Hi guys:

Just sticking my head in because the photo contest on My Classic Car has
reached the finals.

Of course, I hope you ALL will make a vote for an Olds and I hope for mine.

It is car number 16, 16, got it? Yeah 16.    ;-)

They've changed the method of voting, it's actually a bit easier, I think. All
you have to do is sent an email to:

                  services@myclassiccar.com

with an indication of which car you are voting for.

Mine is 16 in case you forgot. 

And you can vote as many times as you have access to e-mail addresses! One
vote per address.

Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to everyone on the list!

Bob Handren 
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:53:27 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Speaking of demonic possessions

> "Mr Puddles" would fit it just as well. :)

Hmm.  Memories are striking...

> > with her and not as much time with the car as I used to...). So my
> > girlfriend, being as crazy as I am in that we both talk to inanimate
> > objects, actually apologized to the car. Since then she has been able to
> 
> Funny, I've had just the opposite...  When sorta...  I've had two cars
> that used to act up ALL the time...  Put a woman in the car, and poof,
> problems gone...  Go looking at another car, POOF no problems for a

Hey Dustin!  They talking about ~you~?!!!

We've often argued that the Rockit's possessed, too.  Every time I'd get
in 'er, I ~couldn't~ get back out!  Dustin always gave me a hard time
for cruising so much.  That is, until I traded him outfits for a weekend
I needed a truck.  He ended up taking a cruise after work or something,
and drove right by the turnoff to the house.  About fifty thousand
times.  Each time commenting to himself that "I'd better get home..." 
Zoom, right on by!  He readily affirms that the car is possessed now...

               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:05:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Quad 4 with no PCV

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	AEROTECH <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>That is the description of a Positive Crankcase Ventilation system,
>regardless of whether it has a "PCV" valve or not. The other alternatives
>are a completely closed system (which has recently been retrofitted to
>certain German Oldsmobiles, unfortunately with less-than successful results,
>right, Roland... ;), or the traditional HOMV system involving an open draft
>tube. As long as there is something actually drawing the crankcase gases out
>of the crankcase, you've got a PCV system.

The only difference between CV and PCV as i have read from the chilton on
Q4 cars is how they use fresh air! thats' it. PCV adds fresh air to the
crankcase, and CV system doesn't. everything else is the same. there is no
crossflow in teh cylinder head. nothing runs thru the intake but air. only
1 lage vacuum line connects to the throttle body from the crankcase.
probably to suck out the vapors in there and re burn them. 

>Now, I'm just wondering whether the Quad4 motors introduce the exhaust gases
>into the intake stream at any point. They have a crossflow head design,
>right? EGR is more difficult on such designs, though not impossible. Is the
>intake preheated in any way?

No the intake is not preheated, but the throttle body portion is by some
coolant lines. 

AEROTECH
aka Jeff Verkleeren

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:53:35 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...

> I had a cat that I named Mischief cause thats all he caused - how could you
> put that into plate-speak?

NSTIG8R   (Instigator) A past girlfriend wanted that one cuz she was
always causing trouble.  For some reason she didn't get it (probably
couldn't figure it out?) so she settled on TRBULNC (turbulence, cuz she
was such an airhead!  HER reasoning, not mine!)

- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:32:16 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Email Christmas Card

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Hey all
> 
> I've got an email Christmas card to send to some of you.  I took me over
> 10 minutes to accept it (mom sent if from her work).  It pretty funny,
> animation and music.  If you'd like to see it let me know.

Well, I didn't write anything near what I was thinking here!  What I
meant to say was that if you Email me privately, I'll send it to you
privately!  Somebody better go over to Greg's house and pick him up off
the floor, I think he's probably fainted by now at the thought of me
sending this to the list!

Don't worry, Greg, I'm a little bit smarter than that...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:37:30 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MCC online Grand finale voting

> On another note Bob Handren and Larry Polesnak's Oldsmobiles are also in the
> contest.  Use your best judgement in voting for these OLD'S, but I would
> apprecitate
> it if your vote went to my OLDS.  Car number 4 on the link.

Oh, man.  You are making it too hard.  Do I only gotta vote for ONE!!! 
How about 1/3 votes.  Dang!  Can't make it simple and only have ONE Olds
like everywhere else I've seen.  Not that I'm complaining, but only ONE
vote, THREE Super Oldsmobiles......DOH!  Ok...I'll make it fair and draw
toothpicks.  I'll vote for one.  But to keep peace, I won't tell for
who. 
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:51:47 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Email Christmas Card

> > Hey all
> >
> > I've got an email Christmas card to send to some of you.  I took me over
> > 10 minutes to accept it (mom sent if from her work).  It pretty funny,
> > animation and music.  If you'd like to see it let me know.
> 
If anyone on the list is interested, I have a rather twisted .avi file
of a snowman grabbing a small child and swallowing him when he walks by.
Hey, ~I~ thought it was funny.   Still in the Christmas spirit
though....e-mail me privately.
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:50:41 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Gold Engine paint?

Have had very good luck with the gold and bronze engine paints I've gotten
from
Fusick and also from Year One. The aerosols don't cover nearly as well as the
bulk paint available in quarts, though you've got to have a gun and air to use
them.
Peter
CoupeKing

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:05:40 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gregory R. Stafford" <grstaffo@mail.pittstate.edu>
Subject: 1978 Cutlass

I am going to look at this car this weekend and I am wondering if anyone
can tell me the difference between:

Cutlass Salon
Cutlass Supreme
Cutlass Calais

Please e-mail me directly at grstaffo@pittstate.edu

Thanks

Greg Stafford

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:08:34 -0500
From: "James Meeks" <jimmeeks@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 dash overlays

Doug

I have had the same problem with my 70 Cutlass.  Seems that Fusick was the
supplier and they supplier to them ran out of material.  No one seems to
have it.  I did call a company in Chicago called Chicago Muscle Cars and
they told me they could get it and I would have it within a couple of weeks.
that was last week so I'll let you know if they come through.

JIM
- -----Original Message-----
From: Douglas J Harkema <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 4:34 PM
Subject: 1970 dash overlays


>I have called quite a few places looking for the burl wood dash overlays
for my
>70 cutlass conv't.  No one seems to have them and they do not know if they
are
>ven going to be making them anymore.  Does anyone know whats going on?
Better
>yet does anyone know how I can resolve my problem?
>
>Thanks
>Doug Harkema
>1970 CS conv't
>Holt, MI

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:13:07 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Email Christmas Card

Shucks, and I was looking for a little excitement this Christma!

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Paul Hartlieb wrote:

>
>Well, I didn't write anything near what I was thinking here!  What I
>meant to say was that if you Email me privately, I'll send it to you
>privately!  Somebody better go over to Greg's house and pick him up off
>the floor, I think he's probably fainted by now at the thought of me
>sending this to the list!
>
>Don't worry, Greg, I'm a little bit smarter than that...
>
>Paul

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:17:31 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: Email Christmas Card

Hey Mike,

You still have that Email Christmas Card?  I'd love to see it.

Matt
85 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:06:32 EST
From: DrkSole <DrkSole@aol.com>
Subject: wheather stripping questions

Hey guys, sorry to bug ya again..  Just put new roof-rail weatherstripping on
my 73, have a question,  is there some kind of way to break it in that I have
to do?  I installed it, it works great, but it won't seal if I roll up the
glass with the door closed.. have to open the door, roll it up, and then close
it.. is this normal or did I install it wrong? It seems to be tighter near the
front of the door.. 
thanks for the help..

btw, in reference to the youth vs. age car guy argument, i've owned the 73
since I was 16, gotten a lot of compliments, and don't really care if most
people don't appreciate it..

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 18:27:47 -0800
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: 68 Cutlass S interior

Scott,
Keep in mind, you can buy these products at any auto paint store, for less. In 
addition, they will be glad to tell you how to use them.

Art

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:01:51 -0500
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center

I just send a note with my VIN and model year.
No need to send a self addressed stamped envelope.

They just sent me a letter with the info they could track
by the VIN. Lets say they didn't tell me anything more 
than I already knew.

They only have actual paper work for 1977 or newer cars.

The only benefit I got out of it is the letter describing my 
car is on Oldsmobile's official 100th anniversary letterhead.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455
 

- ----------
> From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Olds History Center
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:28 PM
> 
> Sorry to bring this up again.  I know it was gone over quite a bit a few
> weeks ago, but to the ones who have actually written to the Olds History
> Center,  Did you send a self address stamped envolope?  Or did they pay
the
> postage and send the information themselves?
> 
> Thanks in advanced!!!
> 
> Matt
> 85 442
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:29:03 -0500
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

At 09:09 AM 12/17/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Another question I have for the group is has anyone every had a car 
>shipped from say the midwest to either coast (USA)?  According to a 
>friend of mine it can run from $700 - $1000US.  Almost doesn't make
>it worth buying outside your area unless you get a car for dirt cheap.
>
>Chris Sparks


I had a car shipped from OK to VA. For an enclosed carrier, fully insured
with door to door delivery I was getting quotes between $800 and $1700. The
prices are less for open carriers. You are right, it doesn't seem worth it,
until your dream car shows up for sale on the other side of the continent.
Then you start investigating all kinds of options. By the time you factor
in time off work, hauling equipment, fuel and aggravation the delivery
services start to seem reasonable (the lower priced ones anyway). 

.02
Ray
Alexandria, VA
'70 442 Conv
'70 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:46:19 EST
From: Mikey tvb <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 dash overlays

you guys might want to try "year one".  my friend and i are currently
restoring a 70 442.  when he bought the car it was in pieces and all the
restoration parts were with it.  included was a woodgrain dash overlay.  the
package said year one. all the other parts for the car were bought from year
one.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:49:22 EST
From: JCutlass <JCutlass@aol.com>
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

Recently acquired a 68 Cutlass S convertible for my 16 yr old son ( and Dad)
and have same electrical quirks. Stored outside took its toll. I jumped the
blower fan and got 3 out of 4 speeds, but the switch works in reverse, Good
enuf for the winter. Replaced turn signal switch and cured several problems,
including dim dash lights and horn, which honked when you turned left. Had an
alledged mechanic tell me it needs a motor blower switchcontrol switch, I have
my doubts to his expertise. After he screwed with it, the fuel gauge light is
out and gauge is not working. Friend says he thinks there's a printer circuit
board in the back side of the gauge. Is this correct? and where would one find
such a critter. Would anybody have a good source for electrical wiring
diagrams for my 68. 
Thanks all Oldsfolks
jcutlass@aol.com (Tim Jester  Yukon,Oklahoma

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 21:55:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

Got around to working on the SX today, and chased away some of my electrical
gremlins in the process:

>>1) I took my daughter for a ride...my "GEN" light comes on...
>
>I've actually had a few electrical maladies just "heal" after awhile.  Only
>to completely fail altogether later. :(  The most recent event was my
>tailgate window key switch.  It broke on the way to lansing, wouldn't go
>down but still worked for up.  It started working again about a week after
>the trip, then a month or so later it completely quit working.  I dunno. 

BTW, Greg, I've got handy one of those switches from the '72 VC I parted
out; you need it?

>>2) The blower motor (new unit) didn't come on when I finally hooked
 [snip]
>
>That inline fuse is only for the "hi" setting on the 72's.  There's another

It is for most other cars I've worked on, but for the '70, it appears to be
for all power feeds to the blower motor. I think by '72 they got rid of the
(+) power takeoff stud on the inner fenderwell, and started running the
positive leads from the (+) terminal on the starter, like in later cars.

>trouble in the Vista Cruiser with the connection at the fan coming lose,
>just falling off from old age.  It would work for a few days,hit a pothole,
>and then quit.....Find another pothole and it would take off again.  Finally
>cured it by plugging it in as tight as possible and then taping the snot out
>of it to hold it together.  So far, so good.

Yeah, blower motor is new, ground is clean, and the connection there is nice
and tight.

As for #3, my horn is still nonfunctional, so any info on relay availability
would be appreciated.

Now, on to my more successful ventures...

>>4) Wipers not working either... :( The linkage doesn't appear to be frozen,
 [snip]
>Check the fuse?  I've just had them go from what was apparently old age.
 [snip of good info for diagnosing wipers]

The wipers have inexplicably begun working again, although very slowly. Are
those wiper motors sealed, or can I clean that thing up?

I see that Greg did not venture into the turn-signal topic of question #5...
;)  That's ok, because that's my biggest success of the day! First off, let
me just say that anyone who would knock classic American engineering should
look at the taillight housing gaskets on a '70 Cutlass. After 27 years, they
are still pliable and fresh, providing a perfect seal against the elements!
Now, with that said...

I suspected bad grounds, since the left taillight came on dimly when the
right was blinking slowly. I chanced upon an easy test: grounding the bumper
to the exhaust trumpet resulted in perfect turn-signal operation! It seems
that the badly-corroded backside of the bumper no longer makes good contact
with the frame bracket. I was surprised, though, because the lights *did*
work, and the left side seemed to work quite well. A separate ground wire on
each side, run right from the taillight housing behind the bumper to the
exhaust hanger bracket bolt on the frame, will hopefully alleviate this
problem. Oh, once I did get this all hooked up, the right blinker worked
perfectly, but the left now refused to blink! Turns out that's the symptom
of a dead #1157 bulb in one of the lights, so that was an easy fix!

I'm really glad I got this fixed, as this was one of the reasons (among
others) that I took the car off the road back in '84. I'm getting less and
less spooked by electrical problems these days.

>>6) Interior lights don't always come on when the headlight swich is pulled
 [snip]
>
>The instrument lights are bad?  Sounds like a dirty potentiometer.  I've had
>good results with volume knobs and such by just twisting the knob back and
>forth through it's full sweep many, many times. (say 50 or so)  That will
>sometimes scrape the crud off of the contacts and coils so they make
>connections again.  I don't know if you can hit the coil and contacts with
>electrical cleaner by spraying through the knob hole.  I guess it couldn't

I'll try it; if all else fails, I've got the spare headlight switch from
that '72 VC.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:10:50 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

> > >You must mean PCV...the EGR system has nothing to do with the crankcase
> > >vapours.

> > The EGR takes the unburnt gas vapors from the crankcase and recircualtes
> > them through the engine. this is why the Q4 has no PCV and EGR. they work
> > together.

        I'm just curious as to how the EGR valve could get gases from the
crankcase.  The fact that it's called an "EXHAUST gas recirculation valve"
would signify that it gets it's input from an exhaust chamber, am I wrong??
And the last time I checked the exhaust wasn't channeled to the crankcase - or
is the Quad 4 different in this respect?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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