
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, December 27 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1029



Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]
Re: # for fender wells W-30
Ignitor Electronic Ignition
What did Santa leave you!
Re: Rallye pac for 77-85 B-body
License Plate Bracket Fastners
Re: Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.
Parts Sources
re:olds carb swap,need ideas for d88 hop-ups.....
Re: Parts Sources
Re: Round 2 With Insurance Company
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Santa's leavings
Re: Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]
Re: Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.
Re: This mo.'s JWO
Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel
Re: Window Rollers
Re: Olds 1/25 Models
Re: Window Rollers - Alternative
Re: old double hump on a g-body? Headers?
Pioneer/Sony 6x9's....(long)
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Olds 1/25 Models
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Happy Holidays
FW: What did Santa leave you!
Re: License Plate Bracket Fastners
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Window Rollers
putting headers on the '70 442
Re: matchbox/hot wheels
non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans
RE: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Spoiler/W-30 Red inner fender wells
RE: non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans
Re: Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]
Re: non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Brake lines
Re: Parts Sources
Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist of??
Re: Olds 1/25 Models
Re: Basic? Tech info...
Re: Olds 1/25 Models
Re: matchbox/hot wheels
Re: Parts Sources
Re: Olds 1/25 Models
Re: What did Santa leave you!
Re: Parts Sources
REPLY: Olds 1/25 Models
Adhesives
Jim Chermack (was: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? What is it??)
Patr needed
Re: Parts Needed...
Re: Pioneer/Sony 6x9's....(long)

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:13:35 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]

Well, Oldsmofolks, have I got some problems NOW...(what else is new? :-)

First off, the plugs.  Yep, Jerry, #8 is a PIA, but I got it out and put
in the eight new Rapidfires.  I've got mixed results so far.  At WOT,
the car really winds out and it generally feels stronger.  The idle is
nice and smooth, when it's running.  At idle, in Neutral or Drive, the
car runs smooth, but every couple of seconds, the thing seems to die for
a split second and then come back.  Sometimes, it'll plain 'ol stall
out.  This seems to be a no-brainer to me, though.  I'll put the old
ones back in (which didn't look too bad) and if it runs smooth, the
problem's solved.  If not, are there any suggestions?  This roughness
happened right after the new plugs went in, so I'm sure it's related to
that job.  Might I have pulled a plug wire apart as I was pulling it off
the post?  There's absolutely no missing when I'm driving, just
roughness at idle.  Because of that, I'm sure it's not because of a plug
wire or something.  Any ideas?  Somehow, I think y'all will tell me to
yank those Rapidfires out.  (BTW, they're #7's)  When our Mustang
wouldn't start after we hopped it up a couple of years ago, the first
thing the speedshop guy did was pull those fancy Splitfire plugs we put
in there.  I guess the lesson here is to stick with stock.  I guess I
could also try changing the cap and rotor, but this just started
happening after the plugs, so I'm convinced it's them.

The other problem I had was the EGR valve.  I put in according to the
directions, and the car runs now, but it chugs noticeably.  It sounds
like a marble is loose in there, but it's certainly not 'pinging'.  It
only happens when the motor is under load (in Drive, with part
throttle).  Also, it seems to be a function of throttle position rather
than RPM.  When I put the new valve in, I didn't put that lock tab plate
thing in because I bend the old one up anyway.  I still have it, if it's
advised to put it back in.  (I have the original of everything I put in
today.)

Well, I don't mean to burden y'all with these questions.  Just a little
boy looking for answers.  :-)  Have any of these symptoms occured to any
of you?  If not, oh well;  I'll put the old stuff back in.  But if I'm
missing anything here, please let me know.

From the posts, it looks like Santa was hauling around a lot of Rocket
stuff!  Oh, I did get one "fail-proof" present today; I went to the
Washington Auto Show and got an Alero poster.  Yea!

Well, thanks for any help.  I'm off work through Thursday, so I can putz
around with this until then.  Next year, I resolve to "not put any fancy
stuff on the car and leave what's well alone!"  Thanks, everyone.  Talk
to 'ya later.

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:47:22 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: # for fender wells W-30

His name is Jimmy, #770-931-1485 Norcross, GA

Aaron

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 17:50:21 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Ignitor Electronic Ignition

I was flipping through my Year One catalog (page 13N) and came across an
electronic inginition conversion kit for points typr distributors.  It
appears as if they replace the points with an electronic module and they
show another piece which may go under the rotor to provide trigger.

Has anyone used this or have any comments one way or the other vs
installing an HEI system?  One downside I could see is that if it failed in
the middle of nowhere it would be more difficult to find parts for than HEI.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:05:16 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: What did Santa leave you!

Santa was VERY good to me this year...

As I am finishing up my stocking, I find a tiny scrap of paper, so very 
tiny at the bottom of my stocking. I read the letters neatly scribed: AIR 
COMPRESSOR

Joy of Joys!
In the garage sits a brand new Black Max 5 hp, 20 gallon horizontal roll 
around air compressor!

Ahhhh, the joys of marriage, I *MUST* have been a good boy this year!


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 97 21:12:58 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Rallye pac for 77-85 B-body

Our esteemed List Administrator writes:
>I think Mike Hall was talking about doing this swap. I have an 
>opportunity to get one for mine, but aside from being a low priority 
>compared to the other things I'd like to do to it, it seems like a lot of 
>work. I think you'd need to change a couple of sending units, and knowing 
>what a nightmare the wiring harness in these cars is under the dash I was a 
>little leery of trying it. If you want to keep the idiot lights you would 
>need to somehow have 2 different sending units installed for the temp and 
>oil pressure lights and guages. I have heard of this being done with tees 
>for the o/p sender and using a spare water opening on the intake for the 
>temp sender, but have never seen it myself.

Yes, I am "still" in the process of making this swap. The full LH side of 
"woodgrain" trim will need to be replaced so that the gauge cluster can 
fit inside of the "well" about the steering column. I have bought new 
senders, temp and oil pressure, and trim them in to their appropriate 
places in the harness that I scavenged. No plug-n-play here, the wiring 
harness will need to be spliced for the power to the lights and running 
wire to the engine compartment to attach to the senders. This is not a 
difficult job to do yet it is a time consuming one...



Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:14:19 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: License Plate Bracket Fastners

I finally got a front license plate bracket for my '69 Cutlass.  The
instructions (a sheet form the assembly manual) says:

 "Locate and drill 13/64" holes through the locating dimples in the front
bumper and fasten support to bumper using 584429 screws found in a paper
envelope in the glove box.

I found the dimples which will line up with the bracket but I am wondering
what kind of screws these are?  They don't mention nuts so are they
self-tapping?

Also there are two holes in the front bumper itself which line up with the
top holes in the license plate.  These are not slotted for the nylon
inserts like the ones in the bracket.  Does anyone know if the front plate
is supposed to be held on with two screws or four?  How about the rear
plate?


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:01:01 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> I got Robogrip Pliers...  Two of them!!  Just can't seem to
> find anything I can use them on yet!

UH, Jerry come on up to Ky.  I've lots of things we can Robo on.   :)

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:12:34 -0800
From: Boogah <Boogah@en.com>
Subject: Parts Sources

Does anyone know where the vendors such as "Year One", "Brothers", et
all get their parts from?  

Thanks

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme
62112 miles

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 21:56:32 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: re:olds carb swap,need ideas for d88 hop-ups.....

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:47:58 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Sources

Boogah wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where the vendors such as "Year One", "Brothers", et
> all get their parts from?

I would like to know as well.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:34:27 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Round 2 With Insurance Company

AARONLIFE wrote:

> and an
> original radio in a 70 Delta 88 that looks right (is it?). 

Be careful, Aaron.  It may look compatible from the front.  But with the
brackets up in the dash and the stuff hanging on the sides of the radio,
it may not fit.  I tried to put a '69/'70 full-size radio in my '68
Delta and it wouldn't fit.  My advice is to find one out of another
Cutlass.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:38:21 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

RC Hellebuyck wrote:

>  Mom & dad gave me a wonderful gift;
> 
> the 1971 Olds "Product selling info" & "Colors & fabrics" sales books.
> (talk about interesting)

What a cool gift!  If Mom & Pop are ever in the market to adopt another
son, you can let them know that I'm available.  My parents never had the
smarts/connections to acquire anything like this.

>  Now if I can just find the "Salesman's
> Specs" book to go with it.  Anyone have a 1971 version

Yes.

> they want to sell?

No way!

Paul, who got a Hallmark H/O
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:15:52 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Santa's leavings

Santa left mostly clothes at my house this year.  Bro-in-law came up for
4 days from Enterprise, Alabama and gave me a book on American Muscle
Cars that had a lot of Olds stuff in it as well as a lot of other neat
iron.  Brought back some good memories and a lot of wishing ones.  (You
know, I wish I had....)  Went to the local Hallmark shop here today and
bought a 69 H/O ornamnet for $7.40 as they were on sale.  Got the last
one they had except for the display one.  Will be on the tree next year.
Actually thought about starting to work on my 69 S today, but had to do
other things.  (Rats!)  Did start the 72 S yesterday for the first time
in several months.  Started right up and ran as good as my Lincoln daily
beater. 

Hope everyone had a good Christmas.

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:40:02 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]

Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> 
> Well, Oldsmofolks, have I got some problems NOW...(what else is new? :-)
> 
> First off, the plugs.  Yep, Jerry, #8 is a PIA, but I got it out and put

I KNOW!!!  And I didn't even have the courtesy of having a swivel headed
ratchet or a decent spark plug socket.

> that job.  Might I have pulled a plug wire apart as I was pulling it off
> the post?  There's absolutely no missing when I'm driving, just
> roughness at idle.  Because of that, I'm sure it's not because of a plug
> wire or something.  Any ideas?  Somehow, I think y'all will tell me to
> yank those Rapidfires out.  (BTW, they're #7's)  When our Mustang
> wouldn't start after we hopped it up a couple of years ago, the first
> thing the speedshop guy did was pull those fancy Splitfire plugs we put
> in there.  

Ah, don't ditch the idea yet...  If it were mine, I'd try the wires and
the cap and rotor, and give that a try, if that ain't it, I'd take a
look at gaps, and follow the wires and what not, check everything
out....    Splitfires, now that's a different differ deal, I don't like
them period...  I have had noone I know with any luck with 'em, and
won't try them...  I've had some amazing stories about the bad sides of
Split fire...  <G>  I've also heard some negatives about the Bosch
Platinums, but yet I still insist on usen' em...  I can say that I had a
set of Autolite Double Plats, that RAN awesomely, but idled extremely
poor.  I used them on the track, and put the Bosch back in to go home...

> I guess the lesson here is to stick with stock.  

YUCK-O...  If they were made by one of the factories, designed by one of
the factories, and installed in the factory, there's gotta be something
a little bit better...  I go to a specialist type thing... I look at AC,
Delco, or AC Delco (Which ever way you wanna say it) as a place that
makes GM original equipment, now, not bad, but not the BEST thing on the
market.

> could also try changing the cap and rotor, but this just started
> happening after the plugs, so I'm convinced it's them.

You might be right.

> Well, thanks for any help.  I'm off work through Thursday, so I can putz
> around with this until then.  Next year, I resolve to "not put any fancy
> stuff on the car and leave what's well alone!"  Thanks, everyone.  Talk
> to 'ya later.

Yeah, right...  We've all said that..
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 23:42:35 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Taking plugs out!, Plus Santa's droppings.

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Jerry Christopher wrote:
> 
> > I got Robogrip Pliers...  Two of them!!  Just can't seem to
> > find anything I can use them on yet!
> 
> UH, Jerry come on up to Ky.  I've lots of things we can Robo on.   :)

That's my only problem...  My Daily driver is REAL dependable...  And, I
no longer have any projects...  I have to Robo my fingers, but that
hurts after a few times.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:57:48 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: This mo.'s JWO

Well, its never been speeled that way before!  It is normally a variation
of additional d's, t's and never forget the non-existant i's no one wants
to drop.  Had a high school teacher make a bet once he could pronounce
everyones name right the first day or he'd fork over a dollar - yep, mine
was the only one he got wrong (sheesh).

Have to see this 'review' - I'm updating this week for 'expanded' coverage
of the additional vehicles in the "fleet".  Plus I came across a '72
Cutlass wagon (standard non-glass model) that I'm wondering if I can
finagle to get cheap.  JUST what I need.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 00:00:11 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 68/69 sports steering wheel

To: Chris Sparks,

 Sorry if I steered you (NO PUN INTENDED) in wrong direction. Spoke too soon.
Checked out with reliable source and I stand corrected in that
agreed with Bill that in 68 only the wood rimmed wheel is the
sport wheel option. Came standard on 68 H/O but could be orderd
as option on any Cutlass/442 in 68.

Sorry for confusion.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

 

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:10:18 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: Window Rollers

I have a flyer from:
	The Glass House
	438 W. Arrow Hwy. #13
	San Dimas, CA 91173
	(909) 592-1078

They seem to have a lot of this type of stuff and may be worth a try.


>Hey Folks!
>
>    My 455 is in, and it runs like a dream! A little bit rough on the
>idle at 500 rpm in drive (JM 20-22 cam) but is a blast to stomp on :)
>
>    I'm  looking for a window roller stud part for my '69 Cutlass 'S'.
>The window has been moving back and forth freely in the channel for a
>little while (making air sealing a little tough!).  I opened it up to
>find that the rear vertical guide track's roller and stud had broken.
>This is the part that bolts through the window glass and has a roller on
>one end to ride in the guide track.  It mounts to the window via two
>disk-like washers (with rubber gaskets), the outer of which actually
>threads to the stud.  I can't seem to get one from any Olds
>dealers...they all look shell-shocked when I say I have a '69...then
>proceed to start telling me what a bad idea it is to own an older car
>and hard it is to find parts...sheesh.
>
>    I've searched around a bit...calling places that I found on 442.com,
>but to no avail so far.  Anybody got any ideas?  Please let me
>know...thanks for the help!
>
>John Ramsey
>'69 Cutlass 'S' 455 - - mmmm...torque...



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:19:59 EST
From: Cnvrtbl442 <Cnvrtbl442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models

In a message dated 97-12-25 18:45:49 EST, you write:

<< I got a gift from my wife that made me feel like a 12 year old. She
searched,
 made phone calls, and located a 1/25 model of my Olds. >>

Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to find
the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a 
rarity or if they can be had. I did manage to get a couple but would like to
know whether or not they are "useable" or should be left in the plastic wrap.
Any knowledge or information from anyone on this would be greatly
appreciated.  If anyone has a 66 W-30 and really wants to have a Model of 
the same car let me know, I've heard fellow list members are great at 
working things out between themselves.....;-)...   TIM 

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:39:40 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: Window Rollers - Alternative

In addition to the Glass House I mentioned in my first reply,

	Metro Moulded Parts, Inc.
	11610 Jay St., Box 48130
	Minneapolis, MN 55448
	(800) 878-2237

has exactly the parts you describe in their catalog.


Lloyd Ferguson
Glendale, California
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

1969 Cutlass Convertible
1984 Buick Riviera

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:43:37 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: old double hump on a g-body? Headers?

In a message dated 97-12-26 17:15:56 EST, you write:

<< What kind of headers did u get?  What yr is your car? What motor is in
there?
 I have an 86 Salon. >>
oh yea, guess i might as well tell that stuff too.  um, i have a '78 cutlass
supreme, i have a '72 olds 350 engine in it (edelbrock intake and cam), and i
got hedman headders.

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 01:42:40 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Pioneer/Sony 6x9's....(long)

Jerry Christopher wrote:

 
>>Jason K. Adcock wrote:

>>>I'm writing this at about 8:30 on Christmas night and I for one had a
>>>great day.  I got new speakers for the Cutlass (Pioneers) and I can't
>>>say that I'm real impressed.  They don't sound much different than the
>>>Delco ones, but they were worth replacing.

Jason, 

(I'm guessing that they're 6x9's you acquired...)

I've fought a few battles with Pioneer...they sound great in the store,
but not as good in the vehicle (been there, done that, got the
T-shirt).  In the stores, in behind the display, the speakers are in a
sealed box, which makes them more "punchy".  If you're not running the
Pioneers off an amp, they will sound sluggish...they're a perfect
example of the term "power pig".  In other words, they're not very power
efficient, and need decent power to produce decent sound...that's why I
prefer to stick with Sony.  The Pioneers are a good speaker, don't get
me wrong;  just try putting a small booster on them.  They can handle
anywhere from 120-200 watts each, so try a 200 watt amp...they'll sound
like a completely different speaker (x10!).  

Another option would to put them in 6x9 boxes, and you'd get the same
sound you heard in the store...the sealed airspace behind them would
make them more punchy.  Do this, and put about 100 watts to each, and
you'll be more than impressed...

You *can't* leave them as they are...Alan Jackson *must* be played
*loud*!  (If my memory serves me correctly, you're one of the few on the
list that like country....country forever!)


>>Santa/Work gave me enough loot to grab a set of
>>Sony 4-Way 6X9s, and the adapter to make them fit the GM 4X10 (Ugh)
>>holes... I am REAL impressed with these...  I have a guy at work that's
>>got a set of Pioneer 4Way 6X9s in his Regal, and I was sorta impressed,
>>and a Girl that used to work with us, and her SS had Sony 2Way 6X9s, I
>>was sorta impressed...  Heck, I BOUGHT 3Ways, Sears screwed up and gave
>>me the 4Ways for $100...  <G>

Jerry,

EXCELLENT!  Sony is *THE* way to go!  Just out of curiosity, which 3-way
speakers had you ordered?  The 4-ways are an excellent speaker...do they
have the liquid cooled titanium tweeter? My XS6953's have them, and I've
found them to be a lot crisper than the dome tweeter, especially at high
volumes.  Are you going to run these off an amp?  They will sound ten
times better!  The high performance 6x9's, particularly 4-ways, are
considered "power pigs", and take a fair amount of juice to run them. 
But, once you put ample power to them (40-100 watts RMS), they will be
crystal clear, especially when demonstrating your personal pain
threshold...

Will you replacing the dash/door speakers as well?  If I'm not mistaken,
the Cutli had 3.5" speakers up front...are you interested into cutting
into your doors?  I'm a little hesitant about doing so, just because
I've got power windows/locks, and I don't want to risk screwing them
up.  I replaced the 3.5's in the '78 with a pair of Sony XS33's (3.5"),
and they're quite an improvement over the stock ones.  If I wasn't
afraid to hack up my doors, I'd pick up a pair (possibly two) XSHL530's,
which are the 5.25" component sets...put one in each of the four doors,
amp the hell out of them, and then she'd be *loud*....(and crystal
clear, of course...)

Until the payola factor increases dramatically, I have to postpone the
two 10" subs and the four channel amp...I've got my eye on a pair of
Kicker 10's.  But, I still need enough room in my trunk for a full size
spare, booster cables, tool box, emergency fluids (trans, brake,
coolant), and a sleeping bag...(for the occasional middle-of-nowhere
breakdowns...)

As you can tell, I miss using my 4x4 as a daily driver...but, the two
D88's have more room for stereo equipment!

- --------------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 02:19:47 EST
From: KS7RACING <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

Doug,

Here in Kansas City we found two different versions of the mentioned '55, one
is orange/white, the other is turquoise/white. Nice billboards with them, too.

A must-have for any serious Olds fan!

Ken Snyder

http://www.chasinracin.com/racers/ksr7

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:51:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models

On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, Cnvrtbl442 wrote:
> Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to find
> the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a 
> rarity or if they can be had. I did manage to get a couple but would like to
> know whether or not they are "useable" or should be left in the plastic wrap.

I saw one of these at a model shop about 6 weeks ago. Along with a couple 
of AMT '69 4-4-2 models. Was tempted to buy one or both, but decided 
against it... I was a demon model builder as a teenager, but the thought 
of having to reinvest in all of those paints I'd need to do it right made 
it an expensive proposition.  

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 20:56:27 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

I rec'd for Christmas (Automotive wise..)

Chilton Repair Manual and Sparkplugs for my F*rd F150 4X4
High speed 5 " air sander/grinder  **
Jitterbug air sander
Mechanics seat on wheels
48 piece bolt type puller set
2 arm pulley puller
18" deep gap sheet metal vise grips
1/4" drive impact ratchet

** (From my fiance)
PS: for previous birthdays and Christmas my fiance got me an inline sander, 
1/2" drive air ratchet and 3/8 drive butterfly impact wrench. I  think I 
better hang on to this one!!

Gotta go to the shop and try out my new tools!

Brian (you can never have enough tools) Kerr
Cambridge Ontario
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:53:47 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:

> Just think...As the Summer months approach we can all pull out our rides 
and
> once again enjoy them to the fullest!

I am in the throes of restoration on my 69 Cutlass Conv (20 hrs per week, 
and over the next 10 days, probably another 80 hours) and I don't have to 
'pull it out' to enjoy it. (see also 'What I got for Christmas') I will 
however concede that the enjoyment will be fuller doing the top down thing, 
listening to the notes of dual exhaust music from 455 cu of Rocket Power!!

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 21:53:48 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: What did Santa leave you!

Last Christmas I rec'd a chunk of cash designated 'air compressor' On Boxing 
day, my brother, fiance and I headed out to 'Princess Auto' and discovered 
they had a "25% off everything in the store sale" and came home with a 5hp, 
two stage, 18 cfm,60 gallon upright compressor in the trailer. As I write 
this, I am sitting here impatiently waiting for 9 am for the opening of 
Princess Auto and the annual 25% off everthing in the store Boxing Day 
Sale!!

Brian (you can never have enough tools) Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv
 ----------
From: Mike Hall
To: Olds
Subject: What did Santa leave you!
Date: Friday, December 26, 1997 8:05PM

Santa was VERY good to me this year...

As I am finishing up my stocking, I find a tiny scrap of paper, so very
tiny at the bottom of my stocking. I read the letters neatly scribed: AIR
COMPRESSOR

Joy of Joys!
In the garage sits a brand new Black Max 5 hp, 20 gallon horizontal roll
around air compressor!

Ahhhh, the joys of marriage, I *MUST* have been a good boy this year!


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:00:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: License Plate Bracket Fastners

This message reminded me on something I had forgotten about. 

When I first bought my '68 (the second night I owned it in fact) I was
rooting around inside it seeing what it was *really* like. ;-) In the
trunk I found about a dozen ice scrapers/snow brushes (the old gal who
owned it must have bought one every year), a moth-eaten blanket, several
jugs of washer fluid, a can of brake fluid (which worried me) and a
bracket which I later learned was the front license bracket. 

Since the car had a front plate on it that seemed to be in the right
location it never occurred to me what it was. Later on I saw the things in
catalogs and still couldn't figure out how it was used. But at the time it
didn't seem important, and somewhere along the way it disappeared.
Whenever I think about it now I have the urge to kick myself! But it
doesn't seem to make much difference in how the front plate is mounted. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:10:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, Kerr, Brian (R) wrote:
> I rec'd for Christmas (Automotive wise..)
<impressive list snipped>
> ** (From my fiance)
> PS: for previous birthdays and Christmas my fiance got me an inline sander, 
> 1/2" drive air ratchet and 3/8 drive butterfly impact wrench. I  think I 
> better hang on to this one!!

Man, I'll say! I need to find a lady like that... :) 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:31:25 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

Doug Newman wrote:
> 
> Oops!
>               After I read Matt's post, I remembered that the die-cast I got
> was a '55 Starfire, not a 98...

Yeah, but its says "Ninety-Eight" on the package. It's still a cool
model. I was hoping to get the 69 Cutlass matchbox car made by (forget
who) and the 442 made by Hot Wheels.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:33:29 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

KS7RACING wrote:
> 
> Doug,
> 
> Here in Kansas City we found two different versions of the mentioned '55,
>is turquoise/white. 

That's what I got.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:05:54 EST
From: JCutlass <JCutlass@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Window Rollers

I had the same problem on my 68 Cutlass S convt. I ordered one from Brothers
in Missouri, but later found one locally at a Chevy restoration place. I've
been told that most GM cars will interchange. I broke off the stud trying to
get it out and ended up wrestling the window around on the countertop and
drilling the stud out while holding my breath that I didn't nick the window,
which I'm sure would have shatterd it.

Tim in Oklahoma

------------------------------

Date: 27 Dec 1997 10:08:28 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: putting headers on the '70 442

OL>Does anyone here have any experience with headers for a 455, and more
OL>specifically, how easy it is to fit them into a 442?  I wanted headers
OL>that would make a lot of torque (tri-y headers?).  Does anyone know of
OL>a company that makes headers that wont cost me more than the rest of
OL>car?

Ed,
You did not state if your car is a four speed or automatic, each has its
own problems.
I have not seen any Tri-Y headers for the Olds, but there might be a set
available.
If you are going to drive this car on the street and not race with open
headers, why bother?  IMHO headers are not worth the hassle on a street
Olds with a 455.  I have a set of Dynomax headers that hang too low
below the car.  Some new springs all the way around should raise the car
enough.  The old set of Cassler headers fit good, but they are not in
business now.  I will go back to the original manifolds next time
around.  No more headers on my 4-4-2 for me.

My $.02
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2






OL>_________________________________________________________
OL>DO YOU YAHOO!?
OL>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:16:33 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: matchbox/hot wheels

In a message dated 97-12-27 08:32:47 EST, you write:

<<  I was hoping to get the 69 Cutlass matchbox car made by (forget
 who) and the 442 made by Hot Wheels.
  >>

Are these new, or old?

As a kid I customized my 70 442 Hot wheels police car, chopped the top off,
repainted it, sanded the front bumper, and turned it into a little version of
the white 69 442 conv now sitting in the garage :)

Aaron

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:17:20 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans

Hi all,

   Before my transmission was rebuilt, it would shift from first to second and
chirp the tires (what a sweet sound).  Since the rebuild, my transmission does
funny things under full load.

  Under full pedal, shifting from first to second, when it shifts, it sounds
like it slips back out, or back to first, then it doesn't make it and the
engine just screams, until I let up on the pedal a little then it clicks back
in second.  So in order to make it work, I let up on the pedal just before
it's getting ready to shift, and no problem.  

The guy who rebuilt the transmission said the engine is over-powering it, but
I never that didn't sit well with me, and then he blamed it on the shift kit
that was in my transmission to begin with (sounds possible).  He wasn't going
to work on it again.  

Any guess?  Now it seems to do a similar thing at really slow speeds every
once in a while, like pulling slowly up into a gas station, like it can't
decide which gear to pick.

Aaron

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:23:02 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: What did Santa leave you!

I think I did well.

Batten billet pulleys
MSD 6AL
Snap On timing light.

Chris Urban

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:20:19 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Spoiler/W-30 Red inner fender wells

>I must be going car crazy because i've been thinking of putting the spoiler
on
>the back of my convertible like on some of the GTO's.  Probably ruin the
lines.>


Yea crazy like a fox!  Don't now why the option wasn't offered for covt.  ??

Aaron, my covt. has a rear deck spoiler on it and I think it adds more to
the lines.  It was on the car when I bought it.  At first I didn't care for
it, but it kind of grew on me.

Visit my web site below.  You'll be able to see that a spoiler doesn't
"spoil" the lines of a 71 covt. (pun intended).   :)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:27:12 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans

Sounds to me like the guy is trying to stick it to you. Try another shop for an opinion. These symptoms that you describe are definetly not the signs you want to see from a rebuilt tranny. More  than likely this guy has no clue on how to rebuild them. A shift kit (providing thats installed properly) if anything will make your tranny last longer by not having the bands slipping so long on each shift.


Chris Urban

- ----------
From: 	AARONLIFE[SMTP:AARONLIFE@aol.com]
Sent: 	Saturday, December 27, 1997 10:17 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans

Hi all,

   Before my transmission was rebuilt, it would shift from first to second and
chirp the tires (what a sweet sound).  Since the rebuild, my transmission does
funny things under full load.

  Under full pedal, shifting from first to second, when it shifts, it sounds
like it slips back out, or back to first, then it doesn't make it and the
engine just screams, until I let up on the pedal a little then it clicks back
in second.  So in order to make it work, I let up on the pedal just before
it's getting ready to shift, and no problem.  

The guy who rebuilt the transmission said the engine is over-powering it, but
I never that didn't sit well with me, and then he blamed it on the shift kit
that was in my transmission to begin with (sounds possible).  He wasn't going
to work on it again.  

Any guess?  Now it seems to do a similar thing at really slow speeds every
once in a while, like pulling slowly up into a gas station, like it can't
decide which gear to pick.

Aaron

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:39:38 EST
From: Oldsnut <Oldsnut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Problems and More Problems... [LONG (again)]

You might recheck the number of the EGR valve to make sure it is the correct
one.  I had a similar problem with my Ch*vy.  I replaced the valve with what
was supposed to be the correct one and the car ran very poorly.  I then
replaced the EGR solenoid which didn't make a difference.  I ended up blocking
off the EGR.  The car runs great now.

In a message dated 97-12-26 20:16:43 EST, you write:

<< The other problem I had was the EGR valve.  I put in according to the
 directions, and the car runs now, but it chugs noticeably.  It sounds
 like a marble is loose in there, but it's certainly not 'pinging'. >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:01:28 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: non-performance question? 69 442 auto trans

That's what I thought, problem was it was a couple years ago that he rebuilt
it, and at the time we didn't deal with it.  sigh.  

Guess I'll add it to the list :)

thanks,
aaron

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:43:47 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

In a message dated 97-12-26 10:43:23 EST, you write:

<< 
 SEASON'S GREETINGS to all list members and their families!
 
 I thought it would be fun to see what gifts list members got from "Santa".
Mom & dad gave me a wonderful gift;
  >>

I ended up with the following:
a Hallmark H/O ornament
a Ford Classics "Tri" pack of Ertl plastic kit models (T-bird, Fairlane, and
Galaxie)
a Dodge Viper R/T (blue with racing stripes) plastic model kit
an Exacto knife set (for the models)
a little hobby vise that C-clamps onto the bench (for the same)
our present (from us... to us) was a good fully auto camera (Pentax) w/35-80
mm. zoom, etc.
and some clothes, and other misc. stuff.

in all a good christmas.

Have a happy new years all,
Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:02:54 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Brake lines

Hi all,

I know this following query is not specifically Olds related, however,
it is pertinent to general auto repair.

I have a friend that has a 1970 F*rd P/U truck with a 4.11 rear end.
He was telling me at Christmas time that he spent $1800 on replacing
his brake lines and doing a brake overhual.  Does this sound excessive?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:40:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Sources

These people get them everywhere.  They usually don't make their own of
anything.  They let someone else do that & then buy from those people.  I
have asked Tamraz's on parts that I have gotten from them & one salesman
(Bob) is always nice enough to tell me the source.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>Boogah wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know where the vendors such as "Year One", "Brothers", et
>> all get their parts from?
>
>I would like to know as well.
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:08:36 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist of??

Bernie- Don't recall seeing the answer to this, so:  the Trac-Pac is the
W-30 package in '66 & '67 obtained "over the counter" and self or dealer
installed instead of being one of the 54 '66 and 502 '67 *factory* W-30s.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist
of??
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 4:52 AM
> 
> Just curious,
> Bernie
> 2 67 abodies
> 
> GO JETS!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:22:07 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models

I'd definitely be interested in getting one.  Please let me know how I can
get one (or more).

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Cnvrtbl442 <Cnvrtbl442@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models
> Date: Saturday, December 27, 1997 1:19 AM
> 
> In a message dated 97-12-25 18:45:49 EST, you write:
> 
> << I got a gift from my wife that made me feel like a 12 year old. She
> searched,
>  made phone calls, and located a 1/25 model of my Olds. >>
> 
> Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to
find
> the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a 
> rarity or if they can be had. I did manage to get a couple but would like
to
> know whether or not they are "useable" or should be left in the plastic
wrap.
> Any knowledge or information from anyone on this would be greatly
> appreciated.  If anyone has a 66 W-30 and really wants to have a Model of

> the same car let me know, I've heard fellow list members are great at 
> working things out between themselves.....;-)...   TIM 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:49:11 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Basic? Tech info...

The owners manual for my SCX specifies premium, but a later GM Service
bulletin counters that premium is not necessary; regular 87 octane is okay.
 I, however, run 92 minimum to be safe. Expense is not a concern as I only
have ~13,000 mi on it.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
From: Jon M. Casey <jcasey@epix.net>

Subject: Basic? Tech info...
Date: Friday, December 26, 1997 9:16 PM

What kind of gasoline do you use in your Q-4 H.O. motors? Do any of you use
any 104+ octane booster on a regular basis? Is it me or does this thing
only run best on Sunoco 94?

Also, since this is the first one of these I've owned (with 150k miles),
and the water pump isn't belt driven, has anyone had a waterpump fail? What
does it sound like, or what would the symptoms be? I don't suspect any
problem, just want to know, I just changed the belt and discovered what may
be obvious to most!

Also, what about changing the transaxle fluid? Hasn't been done as I'm
aware, sure woudn't seem to be a bad idea, but the book says it's not
necessary. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Jon Casey 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:20:36 -0500
From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models

>On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, Cnvrtbl442 wrote:
>> Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to
find
>> the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a
>> rarity or if they can be had. I did manage to get a couple but would like
to
>> know whether or not they are "useable" or should be left in the plastic
wrap.

I saw a few of the Lindberg 66 W-30 models at an indoor swap meet about a
month ago now. They were selling for $10.00 each.

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS          80 Olds 442 W-30
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4          75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:31:32 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: matchbox/hot wheels

AARONLIFE wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-12-27 08:32:47 EST, you write:
> 
> <<  I was hoping to get the 69 Cutlass matchbox car made by (forget
>  who) and the 442 made by Hot Wheels.
>   >>
> 
> Are these new, or old?
> 
> As a kid I customized my 70 442 Hot wheels police car, chopped the top off,
> repainted it, sanded the front bumper, and turned it into a little version of
> the white 69 442 conv now sitting in the garage :)

Hahaha, I am doing the same thing with the newer 442 (still 72) <G>,
Only I ain't choppin tops, but I did stick new rubber Good Year Eagles
under it, and I have it primed for paint, the interior is done, It's
flat white (to simulate white leather), and the car will be painted
Saphire Blue Metallic...  Pics to come some day.

- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:26:53 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Parts Sources

I know Year One gets much of their stuff direct from GM.  If you have
contacts in education, or other close businesses, you may get a break by
going direct to GM.  I know our college in Havre got cost on all their
parts.  All the local businesses supported the education, and let stuff
go without markup to the school.  Worked great for many of us who worked
on our stuff at school.  It may be the same in other towns.  (basically,
what I'm getting at is you may be able to get bigger breaks at GM Parts
dealers than you'd think...  Maybe)

I think Year One claims to do some of their own manufacturing too.  I
could be reading more into it, though.  I know they have other
suppliers, too.


> >> Does anyone know where the vendors such as "Year One", "Brothers", et
> >> all get their parts from?
> >
- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:31:12 -0500
From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 1/25 Models

> >> Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to
> find
> >> the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a
> >> rarity or if they can be had.
> 
> I saw a few of the Lindberg 66 W-30 models at an indoor swap meet about a
> month ago now. They were selling for $10.00 each.
> 
You can buy them at Toys-R-Us. KB toys, Walmart, and any hobby shop
worth the name. They sell anywhere fron 8.95(WalMart) to 15.00 (some
hobby shops).

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:40:45 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: What did Santa leave you!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> <impressive list snipped>
> > ** (From my fiance)
> > PS: for previous birthdays and Christmas my fiance got me an inline sander,
> > 1/2" drive air ratchet and 3/8 drive butterfly impact wrench. I  think I
> > better hang on to this one!!
> 
> Man, I'll say! I need to find a lady like that... :)

Hey, my girlfriend got me, oh nevermind, that's not automotive, BUT, her
DAD gave me two tastless liscense plates, unfortunately Air Brushed (I
know that ain't real cheap) One reading:  OLDmanSMOBILE (I laughed, but
it wasn't funny) and one that said MOPAR - Only the Best....  He's a die
hard Mopar guy, and refuses to play with anything else...  I am not, I'd
rather play in a GM (Not prejudice, they all do some good damage) or a
Ford (Yup, I said it, my Race Car is even gonna be a Ford, but towed by
the Cutlass)
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
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- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 15:53:12 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts Sources

Just an idea here.......it be nice if there was a way to find out what parts
are still avail. for whatever years.  For instance, I got both t-top seals,
shifter, and both tail lights for my 86 Salon. With everything being
computerized, you would think it wouldnt be to hard. I meant tail light assy.
for my 86.
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 16:32:27 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: REPLY: Olds 1/25 Models

In a message dated 97-12-27 01:24:38 EST, you write:

<< Just curious if anybody other than Mark Prince? and I have been able to
find
 the 66 W-30 Olds 1/25 Lindbergs.  Just curious if they have become a 
 rarity or if they can be had. I did manage to get a couple but would like to
 know whether or not they are "useable" or should be left in the plastic wrap.
 Any knowledge or information from anyone on this would be greatly
 appreciated.  If anyone has a 66 W-30 and really wants to have a Model of 
 the same car let me know, I've heard fellow list members are great at 
 working things out between themselves.....;-)...   TIM  >>

Actually the model is made by Lindberg and is of a 1967 442 W-30 olds.  
In Feb 98, Amt/Ertle is releasing a all new tooled 1966 442 W-30 olds.

As for availibility.  I am able to get them for 12.00 apiece. How many do you
guys want??  Now this is for the 1967 Lindberg model.  

W MACHINES (MARK PRINCE)
wmachines@aol.com 
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket and please visit my car at  
<A HREF="http://www.myclassiccar.com/cover.html">My Classic Car Online!</A> 
and vote for number 4

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 14:00:47 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Adhesives

I am trying to fix a crack in the hard plastic headlight housing of my '69
Cutlass.  I tried "Crazy Glue" but it does not seem to stick at all.  Does
anyone know what kind of glue to use on this stuff??


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:26:42 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Jim Chermack (was: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? What is it??)

Bernie was interested to hear "What" actually CAME WITH the package also.  The
only thing I know of that was part of this was the tri-power intake manifold
(three (two-barrel) carbs.  I'm not sure what else came with it.  Jim Chermack
had sent a message stating he was thinking of marketing a "complete
conversion" for the Trac Pac, and was asking for interest in it.  Perhaps he'd
be interested in elaborating on the whole deal a little bit more.  Jim?

Chris Ruper

The following is what was posted... by Jim...
- ------------------------------------
> 
>         Sorry to take so long getting back to you. I know we have two
spaces
> for spring Carlisle, but I don't know the space numbers yet. There being
> given to us from a friend of a friend. I'll let you know when I find out.
> Here's a little info for you, we are going to attempt to market a
complete
> 66 and 67 Track Pac conversion with ALL the pieces. Do you think there's
a
> demand for this?
- -----------------------------------
In a message dated 97-12-27 13:29:35 EST, you write:

<< Bernie- Don't recall seeing the answer to this, so:  the Trac-Pac is the
 W-30 package in '66 & '67 obtained "over the counter" and self or dealer
 installed instead of being one of the 54 '66 and 502 '67 *factory* W-30s.
 
 Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
 
 ----------
 > Subject: Re: Spring Carlisle/'66-'67 Track Pac?? Qhat does this consist
 of??
 > Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 4:52 AM
 > 
 > Just curious,
 > Bernie >>

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:08:08 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Patr needed

Looking for the hearter hose connections. Not the hose but the boots (for
lack of a better word) that connect to both ends. Actually if the hose is
attached, I would like that also.


' 72 Cutlass 442, 350



Thanks in advance,
Brian 

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:12:11 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Re: Parts Needed...

>
>A lot of the Hood Emblems up here in Michigan have been attacked by the 
>Calcium Chloride and the road salt. The chrome cracks and attacks the die 
>cast metal underneath, bubbles all over making it less than satisfactory 
>for my car... GM Parts wants 50 bucks for it, a lot of things I will pay 
>50 bucks for, this is not one of them!
>


Just a side note to let you know how precious a hood emblem is,...I heard
that hood emblem theft is on the rise especially fir you more exclusive
piece's of sh*t, such as Jaguars, and Rolls. Price of a Rolls emblem to
replace............$11,000. No joke

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Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:26:19 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Pioneer/Sony 6x9's....(long)

Dave Ward wrote:

> >>Santa/Work gave me enough loot to grab a set of
> >>Sony 4-Way 6X9s, and the adapter to make them fit the GM 4X10 (Ugh)
> >>holes... I am REAL impressed with these...  I have a guy at work that's
> >>got a set of Pioneer 4Way 6X9s in his Regal, and I was sorta impressed,
> >>and a Girl that used to work with us, and her SS had Sony 2Way 6X9s, I
> >>was sorta impressed...  Heck, I BOUGHT 3Ways, Sears screwed up and gave
> >>me the 4Ways for $100...  <G>
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> EXCELLENT!  Sony is *THE* way to go!  Just out of curiosity, which 3-way
> speakers had you ordered?  

D. None of the above! <G>  I PAID for Sony 3Way ($107) 6X9s, Sears
around here has next to little on floor stock items, anything over
$50-75 you have to go pick it up at the Recieving area...  It's all
computer controlled, from the time you buy, until the time you
receive...  Neat actually, but somewhere in between it got a little
mixed up...  Maybe flirting with the electronics girl helped out after
all...  Hmmm??  I may have to look into that.

> The 4-ways are an excellent speaker...do they have the liquid cooled titanium tweeter? > My XS6953's have them, and I've found them to be a lot crisper than the dome tweeter, > especially at high volumes. 

Nope, I am sitting in the XS7694's, no liquid cooled titanium (nuclear
age, HA)

> Are you going to run these off an amp?  They will sound ten times better!  

Not at the present time, my ORIGINAL POSTING was asking about the front
and rear speakers, but now that I have put the 6X9s in, the car sounds
AWESOME playing everything from Jeff Carson, to Beastie Boys, and around
to Moody Blues, oh yeah, Aerosmith thru ZZ Top work great too...  I am
itching again to FEEL the bass guitar (the voices tell me GO FOR IT,
wallet tells me GO BUY GAS!)  I guess I'll work the system piece by
piece.  Got the head, and rear speakers...  Next would be fronts.

> The high performance 6x9's, particularly 4-ways, are considered "power pigs", and 
> take a fair amount of juice to run them. But, once you put ample power to them 
> (40-100 watts RMS), they will be crystal clear, especially when demonstrating your 
> personal pain threshold...

Amp will come BEFORE Subs...  A good (looking at the Alpine MRV stuff,
and drooling) 4 Channel amp will suit me, 2 channels for right and left
on the rear speakers, and 2 channels to bridge for the subs.  MAYBE.
 
> Will you replacing the dash/door speakers as well?  If I'm not mistaken,
> the Cutli had 3.5" speakers up front...

Yeah, already in the works, a set of Infiniti 3.5"s will be going into
the dash.

> are you interested into cutting into your doors?  

NO, NO NO NO NO...  Well, NO!  <G>

> I'm a little hesitant about doing so, just because I've got power windows/locks, 
> and I don't want to risk screwing them up. 

Same here...  I can really almost always fix those type failures, it's
the "OOOPS" while cutting up the door that I don't like.

> Until the payola factor increases dramatically, I have to postpone the
> two 10" subs and the four channel amp...I've got my eye on a pair of
> Kicker 10's.  But, I still need enough room in my trunk for a full size
> spare, booster cables, tool box, emergency fluids (trans, brake,
> coolant), and a sleeping bag...(for the occasional middle-of-nowhere
> breakdowns...)

I've been looking at Rockford Fosgate, and Cobalt, or who ever makes the
cobalts, in a 10" speaker.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

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