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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, December 18 1997     Volume 01 : Number 1017



My"1962 STARFIRE ª9 on MCC finale Voting Contest
Re: License Plate ideas
Re: Odd ball question
help me
Re: MCC online Grand finale voting
Olds History Center
Re: MCC online Grand finale voting & MERRY CHRISTMAS
70 BUCKETS
Re: Olds History Center
Re: Transporting car across the country
signing off & goin' south
What is EGR
Re: Hooker Headers for my car????
heat the garage
funny paint
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: Inline filters
RE: 1970 dash overlays
Re: My"1962 STARFIRE ª9 on MCC finale Voting Contest
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
Re: The Perfect Woman
Re: Namesakes
Re: License Plate ideas
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: Quad 4 with no PCV
Re: License Plate ideas...MY BE OFFENSIVE TO PURITANS
John Pajak
80's H/O wheels interogative
HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND GOODBYES
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: 80's H/O wheels interogative
Re: Transporting car across the country
Re: John Pajak
Re: 1970 dash overlays
RE: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)
RE: Transporting car across the country
Re[2]: SX Electrical Woes
Re[2]: Inline filters
Re: My Classic Car Photo Contest
ADMIN: Leaving the List
Re: 4 core radiator
Re: My Classic Car Photo Contest
Re: services@myclassiccar.com
If Microsoft Built Cars

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:26:01 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: My"1962 STARFIRE ª9 on MCC finale Voting Contest

Hi Everyone on list, my 1962 Starfire is ª9 on the MCC Contest..
Please give me your "vote". But I think the most important thing
is that an OLDSMOBILE Wins the contest.At this time I would like to
say Good Luck to the other two list members  "Bob Handren" and  to
"Mark Prince" who also have Oldsmobile's in the contest. Here is the
link to VOTE " HTTP://myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml "
 Don't Forget I'M Number 9               Thank You Larry Polesnak
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:31:38 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas

MROTHE wrote:
>
> What car are you putting it on???  ;)  I was completely unoriginal and

A VW bug.  NOT! ;-)

> got HURST69.  It was my 3rd choice, but, hey, they're mine....

Good tags are hard to come by.


Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:34:38 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Odd ball question

In a message dated 97-12-17 16:43:12 EST, you write:

<< Chris,

 While it is true that diesel engines run higher compression ratios,
 their operation is completely different from gasoline engines.  Diesel
 engines utilize "glow plugs" for the initial start-up, afterwards the
 engine will run until it's fuel supply is cut off.  Gasoline engines
 need the spark at the top of each cycle to run.  Also, the specific
 gravities of the two fuels are different as well as their chemical
 make-up.  To make it short, DON'T PUT DIESEL FUEL IN A GASOLINE ENGINE.
 If your vehicle needs a higher octane rating than what is available at
 the pump (94 for SUNOCO, 93 for everybody else) buy a bottle of 104 or
 Outlaw Octane Booster and follow the directions until you reach your
 desired octane. >>

We were talking about this ta work today (a guy at work went to Germany, and
got an earful from the station attendant when he tried to put diesel in a gas
car, by accident, of course).  We then talked about another guy who put gas
into his diesel motor home since there was nothing else around.

Now, with that said, I don't think the two can be compared by octane rating, I
think its more a comparison of the chemicals themselves.  Diesel burns slower
than gas will, and is not as volatile as gas (explosive).  The problem you
have is that if you put gs into a diesel, it may very well ignite, but not
when you want it to.  You will most likely get some detonation from this,
potentially very severe, since gas will pre-ignite when compression gets too
high.

Now, in light of the conversation (of whether you could put one, in the other,
or vice versa...), I'm thinking about the idea that while you can't put gas in
a diesel, I'm not so sure a gas engine wouldn't run on diesel (or a mixture of
the two, remember, this came about by thinging about an emergency thing, where
you only have one or the other, but not the one you need).  I'm sure it'd run
like crap, but it's possible it would "get you by" until you found a "gas"
station.  I don't think it'd be a good thing to consider it a "performance
enhancing" thing since I doubt it'd do that.

One thing to throw into the works.  I wonder if a sparkplug would properly
fire in diesel, or would even spark enough to ignite the mixture.  Just
another of my curious ramblings I had today...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:49:54 -0500
From: mweber@sensible-net.com (Michael Weber Sr)
Subject: help me

Shaun Miller wrote:
>
> greg,
> I am leaving for the holidays and wanted to get taken of the list until
> jan 20th.  im not sure how to do this so if someone could take me off, it
> would save me a million emails when i get back.  thanks from me and all
> the pocket rockers out there.  Mission when i get back--fire up LYnn and
> have a smoke show!  happy oldsmodays!
>
> shaun
> q4 guru
>
>
> ªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªª
> delete me from list effective 12/17
> ªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªª
delete me from list effective immediately

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:45:54 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MCC online Grand finale voting

In a message dated 97-12-17 19:19:49 EST, you write:

<<
 They have made the voting tough this time.  They are asking for
 direct email and checking for one vote per person.  So I am asking again
 or should I say pleading my case, please vote for my OLDSMOBILE.

 On another note Bob Handren and Larry Polesnak's Oldsmobiles are also in the
 contest.  Use your best judgement in voting for these OLD'S, but I would
 apprecitate
 it if your vote went to my OLDS.  Car number 4 on the link.

 Thanks to everyone in advance and you all have a safe and Happy Holiday and
 contine Happy Oldsmobiling.

 Thanks again MARK K PRINCE
 W MACHINES
 1972 442 W-30
 Two72W30s@aol.com >>

Damned everyone for putting us through this......   :)  Actually, it's nice to
see a decent representation in the top list (with the way things normally go,
I'm suprised to see any Olds' in there....).  Anyways, there are some very
nice cars out there (besides the obvious, Olds., which I voted for one, but
not tellin' since everyone equally deserved a vote).  I do like the AC
"Cardiac" Cobra (I've always liked these.....), and the Dodge Daytona... (whew
those are awesome with the big spoiler on the back, now if I could get ahold
of one..., heh..).  Anyways, it's rough looking at all of those cars and
thinking that we are attacking each other when all these cars are just plain
awesome (let's face it, all "marque" attacks aside, there's some nice looking
cars that have had some decent amount of time spent on them).

Chris Ruper

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Date: 17 Dec 1997 20:41:58 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: Olds History Center

Could someone email me the address of the Oldsmobile History Center?  I
am very interested in using this service to find out more information
about my '78 Delta 88.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:23:18 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: MCC online Grand finale voting & MERRY CHRISTMAS

CRuper1 wrote:
 Actually, it's nice to see a decent representation in the top list
(with the way things normally go, I'm suprised to see any Olds' in
there....).

Chris, I agree with you on the large Olds contingent, but can you
believe the number of American Motors cars in it compared to the number
of cars AMC built?  Also agree there is a lot of nice iron in the
competition representing a LOT of time, money, effort and love.  Let's
face it guys, to keep these older rides up does take a lot of all these
items.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

BTW, Merry Christmas to all.  Peace on earth and goodwill to mankind
(and womankind, too, Peg, Lisa and all the others).

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:19:36 EST
From: Yorcoy <Yorcoy@aol.com>
Subject: 70 BUCKETS

I'm looking for some bucket seats for a 70 Cutlass Conv, in fairly good shape
preferably white. Please E-Mial me personally, W/ cost and condition, thanks
Yorcoy@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:25:21 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center

mjones@gleep.com wrote:
>
> Could someone email me the address of the Oldsmobile History Center?  I
> am very interested in using this service to find out more information
> about my '78 Delta 88.
>
> Mike Jones
> '78 Delta 88 2dr

I think it is in the Oldsmobile FAQ list Mike.  I don't have it handy,
but I think you can find it there.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, KY

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:27:22 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

Thanks for responses,

I was talking to a friend the other day about this and she said that
sometimes
people need a car to go from whereever they are at to where I am at and
will
drive the car to your door.  Their fee is nominal since they get to use
the
car on the way out.  Anyone heard of such a thing?

Chris

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:53:12 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: signing off & goin' south

Hello all.

My parents have decided we're headed south for Christmas so I'll be in
Daytona FL in a few days.  I 'll be uns*bscr*b*ng tomorrow night and will be
leaving friday for a yet undetermined amount of time.

I'm sure to go through some withdrawl.  As much as I'd like to take the
Vista Cruiser, I'm gonna have to leave it behind since the F*rd van is a
more comfortable ride for four people and I don't want to buy gas to drive
an extra vehicle down.  Just as well I guess.  Any pictures I take of it on
the beach would show that nasty hole that some bird punched in the nose last
week on the highway.

Take it easy and hope you have a happy holiday.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Crusier
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:52:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: What is EGR

The EGR takes the unburnt gas vapors from the crankcase and recircualtes
them through the engine. this is why the Q4 has no PCV and EGR. they work
together.
AEROTECH
===============
Please, read up on how this stuff works before teaching...

EGR is for Exhaust Gas Recirculation. It takes [inert, more or less] exhaust
gas... not uh... "ert" unburned gas vapors... from the exhaust system, where
exhaust is found, duh... not from the crankcase.... and recirculates it in a
small percentage at most, say up to 10%, into the incoming air or fuel/air
mixture. The resulting dilution of the A/F mixture leads to lower *peak*
cylinder temperatures which in turn leads to lower production of oxides of
nitrogen [NOx]. There are some side affects.

PCV is for Positive Crankcase Ventilation. A separate system designed to rid
the c'case of those bothersome blowby gasses which have the pesky habit of
forming acids which attack the bearings &c. with much enthusiasm.

Does the Q4 have a PCV valve? Go to [or call] the parts store, ask for a PCV
valve for such a car. Answered. I have seen the PCV hidden very well on some
late model cars.

Meanwhile, I'd love to hear the Factory Service Manual's explanation for how
c'case vapors are dealt with. As for the "pumping" this is not an issue in a
typical 4-banger, for as 2 pistons are going down, the other 2 are going up, so
net c'case volume stays about constant.


- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:47:52 EST
From: DrkSole <DrkSole@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Hooker Headers for my car????

In a message dated 97-12-17 21:24:38 EST, you write:

<<
 Does Hooker make the right fit headers for the '73-77 years of Cutlass
 Supreme? It seems as though the correct ones are listed in Mondello's
 but I wanted to be sure by asking the experts or someone who has
 experience. I have to buy another set because the Heddman's I had didn't
 fit right, and the jack*ss who put them on, had to bend them and left a
 hole in them with sticks of solder hanging off it. They're trashed, so I
 need a new pair.

 Also, how can I get in contact with Hooker?
  >>
not sure what hooker's number is, but I've got a pair of their competition
headers on my 73..  they fit alright, except the bolt-holes on the passenger
side flange don't match up right and I can only get either 3 bolts or 4 bolts
in at one time depending on which ones I use.  I'm probably going to get a new
set as these are pretty bent up and rusty after 2 years of use and abuse.
Also, if you're redoing your front suspension, do it with the headers out of
the car, mine wouldn't let the lower control arm swing all the way through its
arc and made reinstalling the springs more difficult..

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:59:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: heat the garage

I am looking for recommendations for heating a 22X25' garage. The heater
that was installed in the garage when I bought the place went on the fritz,
and I'm looking to replace it. Although, after reading Greg's post about
looking forward to a 30 degree day to do radiator work, it seems like folly
to heat a Virginia garage. But, I'm gonna do it anyway. So, what I'm
thinking is a propane based torpedo style heater with electronic ignition
and a thermostat. I'm looking at propane because the potential vapors from
a liquid fuel like kerosene make me nervous, and I've used several electric
space heaters with disappointing results. I am particularly interested in
recommendations on what BTU range it would take to raise the temp. in the
garage 20-30 degrees over a period of several hours.
===============
We need a whole FAQ section of what garages need...
For my garage, I bought a house furnace out of the paper for cheap, $150 I
think, and it runs on house gas. Ceiling mounted, out of the way. I highly
recommend this method, use propane fueled if house gas is too much hassle to
run. Kerosene stinks, and so does everything in the garage soon. Your car for
instance. If the budget is REALLY low, get 2-3 of them propane heaters that sit
atop the little BBQ tanks. Harbor Freight has 'em.
  I find the 150,000 BTU furnace to in excess of adequate for the insulated
24x36 thing that passes for a garage. You could do a 24^2 space on about 50,000
BTU easy.
  Also, while building, run LOTS of electricity- 220V, about 100A would be
nice, and maybe 8-12 low voltage lines for the phone, alarm system, intercom,
whatever... I ran an 8-conductor cable [4 twisted shielded pairs] and used up
most of those immediately.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:01:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: funny paint

He
painted the sides of the car red and the hood, top, and trunk were
white.  It was one of the sorriest things I ever saw. After scraping
paint of the windows, mirrors, and tires!! he did drive it for quite a
while.  I came to be known as the Coke Can or the Candy Cane.  Atleast
he pay to have it painted.
=================
There's a guy in town here, it's too funny, he has a big Olds wagon, like the
98 series from the late '70's, painted red & white candy stripes. BIG stripes,
too, like a foot wide. Quite a sight. They angle back on each side, so they
sorta form front-pointed V's along the car's centerline.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:11:06 -0500
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

At 12:27 PM 12/17/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks for responses,
>
>I was talking to a friend the other day about this and she said that
>sometimes
>people need a car to go from whereever they are at to where I am at and
>will
>drive the car to your door.  Their fee is nominal since they get to use
>the
>car on the way out.  Anyone heard of such a thing?
>
>Chris

Yup. It is called a drive-away.

One of the guys I work with contracted an enclosed transport of a car with
a company that also did drive-aways. When he took delivery of the car he
noticed several fresh paint chips on the front end. Then, when he got the
car home, he inspected the speedo/trans joint and it was finger tight.
Sorta makes ya stop and say "Hmmm"!

Chris, are you developing a long-distance lust? :-)

Another couple 'o Lincolns
Ray

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:26:52 EST
From: Mr ExMt <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Inline filters

12-18

JOE, CAN I PUT AN INLINE FILTER BEFORE THE STOCK FUEL PUMP AND STILL USE THE
FILTER IN THE CARB TO KEEP IT LOOKING STOCK?

ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED!
LEIGH TENENHOLTZ,  '68 CUTLASS S CONVERT.

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:34:30 -0600
From: "Russell G. Baker" <rgbaker@wt.net>
Subject: RE: 1970 dash overlays

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Year One has what your looking for...  I received a cutlass/442 parts catalog
and they are Listed....

Does anyone know were I can get a woodgrain dash overlay for a 69' 442 ???

rgbaker@wt.net
" If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
Russell G. Baker


- -----Original Message-----
From:Mikey tvb [SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com]
Sent:Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:46 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: 1970 dash overlays

you guys might want to try "year one".  my friend and i are currently
restoring a 70 442.  when he bought the car it was in pieces and all the
restoration parts were with it.  included was a woodgrain dash overlay.  the
package said year one. all the other parts for the car were bought from year
one.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:58:56 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: My"1962 STARFIRE ª9 on MCC finale Voting Contest

Hi, i do hope an olds wins...but I had to vote for the 67 442 w-30. or my 67
442 conv and the f-85 would have been pissed at me!!!!!  ALL OLDS OWNERS ON
THIS LIST BETTER VOTE!!!!!!

Bernie

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:55:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

>Lately I have had a ping/tick in my engine when I have a slight load on it.
> Such as going up a hill staying at a constant speed.  It only occurs when
>I am running mid-range rpm's.  If I let off of the gas or step on it, it
>goes away.  Also if I fun high octain fuel the problem lessens, but I hate
>to just cover up a problem.  I am by no means a mechanic, Any Suggestions???

You're right; the high-octane fuel is just masking the problem. It sounds
like your EGR valve is stuck shut, making your part-throttle mixture too
lean, which results in detonation. Often times, it can be freed up with some
rust penetrant; you can spray it in there, and then press up on the
underside of the valve (it's the round flat canister next to the carb, on
the driver's side of the intake manifold) to free it up. Or the valve might
be fine; the control mechanism (vacuum, solenoid, etc.) might be malfu
nctioning.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:55:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

>Recently acquired a 68 Cutlass S convertible for my 16 yr old son ( and Dad)
>and have same electrical quirks. Stored outside took its toll. I jumped the
>blower fan and got 3 out of 4 speeds, but the switch works in reverse, Good

If the "HI" speed is out, it's likely a result of a dead 30A inline fuse (ya
know, that one that I destroyed on my car?). You can find this on the
driver's-side fenderwell.

>enuf for the winter. Replaced turn signal switch and cured several problems,
>including dim dash lights and horn, which honked when you turned left. Had an
>alledged mechanic tell me it needs a motor blower switchcontrol switch, I have
>my doubts to his expertise. After he screwed with it, the fuel gauge light is
>out and gauge is not working. Friend says he thinks there's a printer circuit
>board in the back side of the gauge. Is this correct? and where would one
Yes, the traces on that printed circuit might be broken. Or perhaps the
connector has just come loose? This is why I no longer pay professional
mechanics to work on my car; I can screw mine up for free! If in fact he
damaged that board, the only option is to find a used one in better condition.

find
>such a critter. Would anybody have a good source for electrical wiring
>diagrams for my 68.

I wouldn't be attempting any such repairs without a copy of the Oldsmobile
1968 Chassis Service Manual (aka "the Shop manual") at my side. In fact,
most of my reading this week has been from the 1970 edition of this
classic... ;)
It contains wiring diagrams and diagnostic charts for all the problems you
have been describing, and is worth its weight in gold. If you can't find one
at a swap-meet, I'd recommend the Year-One reprint; $45, and the last one I
got even included color transmission-flow pages.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:14:28 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The Perfect Woman

Not bad - I'm only 11 years ahead of you.  Guess I feel a little better.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:11:07 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Namesakes

Actually no, when my article on my '67 C/S was printed in JWO one of the
local club members came up to me and 'reminded' me his '67 was for sale,
then relayed the story of it being a one owner car - original owner named
Ruby, an independent spinster who bought 2 new cars in her life, a '58 & a
'67 Olds - and this  gut wrenching story of how she (Ruby) had to sell it
as her health was declining & she couldn't drive it anymore and he had to
wait till she was ready to sell it and before she did she had someone drive
with her around her mobile home park one last time (to direct her as her
eyesight had failed) to say goodbye to the car.....I mean, it was so SAD.
Anyhow, in the honor of that '67 and my love of Cutlass I decided to call
her Ruby.





Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:17:13 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas

For California thats pretty darn good!  Everything that makes sense (& 1/2
that doesn't) is taken.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 01:23:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

> I was talking to a friend the other day about this and she said that
> sometimes
> people need a car to go from whereever they are at to where I am at and
> will
> drive the car to your door.  Their fee is nominal since they get to use
> the
> car on the way out.  Anyone heard of such a thing?

(Peg raises her hand and volunteers to drive any Oldsmobiles from anywhere
to anywhere)

8)
peg

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:23:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Another question I have for the group is has anyone every had a car
> shipped from say the midwest to either coast (USA)?  According to a
> friend of mine it can run from $700 - $1000US.  Almost doesn't make
> it worth buying outside your area unless you get a car for dirt cheap.
>
> Chris Sparks
>
All I know is that it costs 1400 to rent a U-haul truck and do it
yourself.  if the car is driveable and needs to travel between AZ and
Philly, perhaps I'll deliver it for you.  I make cross country trips
rather often and usually have a driving partner with me, so.  I'm leaving
tomorrow for the AZ to Phiily trip, and Jan 10th(?) to come back to AZ.
Then back to Philly in March and back to AZ a week later then back to
Phillly again in May.  I won't be on the list for a month or so starting
tomorrow, so either give me a call in PA (215-453-0773, Ray) after
Saturday at 6:30a.m. (ETA) or e-mail me back by 3:30 Thursday MST.
See ya.


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:27:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 with no PCV

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 m-hanneman@onu.edu wrote:

> Lately I have had a ping/tick in my engine when I have a slight load on it.
>  Such as going up a hill staying at a constant speed.  It only occurs when
> I am running mid-range rpm's.  If I let off of the gas or step on it, it
> goes away.  Also if I fun high octain fuel the problem lessens, but I hate
> to just cover up a problem.  I am by no means a mechanic, Any Suggestions???
>
> Matt
> 85 442

Matt,
The high octane fuel is not covering the problem, it is the solution.
Your problem is pre-detination (combustion happens prematurely) which is
caused by not having high enough octane for whatever your compression may
be.  It is odd that this is happening now as it is more likely to happen
during the hot summer months when the air is thinner.  Do not let this
continue, it will cause damage (I've had to replace exhaust valves because
of this).  Just spend the extra cash for the octane you need until you
no longer hear it!  It's probably happening when you get on it hard too,
you just can't hear it, because the more power you demand, the more it'll
happen. > >

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:30:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: License Plate ideas...MY BE OFFENSIVE TO PURITANS

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, Paul L. Fikaris wrote:

> Welp Mom, since Charley said bad words, I'll say'em too
>
> A pilot friend of mine showed me this in a pilot mag, a Florida plate:
> URAPNES
>
> Here in Ohio, they have a computer terminal at some BMV stations which
> allow you to check the availablity of a plate before you request it, so I
> scanned through it for cool olds-related plates, with most being taken. My
> boss always joked that he wanted the plate FRBRGR (figure it out) so I
> checked it out and it's available! Guess they can't check everything.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> What's even funnier, there was a stink (pun intended) awhile back from some
> motorists who were issued standard out-of-the-box plates beginning with
> 'ANL.'  The BMV said it took great care in removing certain letter combos,
> BAD, PIG, SUK, GOD, DOG etc. but didn't think anything wrong in issuing the
> ANL series of plates.
>
> I can't see what the problem is, the way I figure it, all those who
> complained are now rightfully and properly labelled for all to see!
>
Eventually you'll see a bunch of FAG's drivin around, too.>

> Paul L. Fikaris
> 69 Delta 88 Conv 455
> fikaris@en.com
>

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:32:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: John Pajak

On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, John Pajak wrote:

 John Pajak (Internut)                 JSPajak@rocketmail.com
> Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>
> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
>

How many of these cars are actually running and in good shape?

>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:37:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 80's H/O wheels interogative

My dad's got a set of wheels lying around and I would like to get some
info for him please.  He believes they are from an 80's H/O.  They're like
the Olds Rally wheel (SS whatevers), but the don't have an actual beauty
ring, no ring at all, but the same look.  They're all chrome, no room for
color-keying.  Were these only on H/O's?  They are 14" wheels, not 15's
unfortunately.  He's going to sell them if I decide I don't want them, and
would like to know what they are worth.  thanks everyone.

Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 00:28:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND GOODBYES

Hey all,
I'll be leaving for a while.  Time to drive the 84 88 cross country so I
can drive the 87 back, and perhaps celebrate Christmas along the way.
Thanks for all the help I have received, it was greatly appreciated!  See
y'all next year!


Ray dealing with "El Nino" in the Sonoran Desert Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 88 Royale Brougham, super soft
      I will give this car away for free to the first person who buys the
      passenger side mirror for $600 (obo).  If anyone's interested, give
      me (Ray) a call at (215) 453-0773.  130k, 307, slight theft damage
see ya

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 03:04:20 EST
From: CCRR12 <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

Chris Sparks,

In reference to paying someone to drive a car across country, instead of using
a car carrier service, I think anyone should do one thing first. Go rent the
movie "Vanishing Point". Then decide if you trust anyone in driving a valuable
high peformance car anywhere.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J/2

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:48:01 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 80's H/O wheels interogative

> <snip>  Were these only on H/O's?  They are 14" wheels, not 15's
> unfortunately.  He's going to sell them if I decide I don't want them, and
> would like to know what they are worth.

All the H/O's and 442's in the 80's came with 15" wheels.  They did make
the same type wheel for the others in the 14" size, but it is not as
'rare'.  The H/O or 442 wheel had a pinstripe around them and different
color keying.  The H/O used red pinstripe with silver/argent paint
inlay, the 442 used gold/gold.  The 14" wheels used, at least what I've
seen, black paint inlay.  Of course ALL Olds wheels are special IMHO,
but I would say rough guess, if they aren't pitted, maybe about $75-100
each.  That's only a rough guess.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:50:58 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Transporting car across the country

Ray Moriarty wrote:

> Yup. It is called a drive-away.

So IOW they drive-away to your driveway.  :-)

> One of the guys I work with contracted an enclosed transport of a car with
> a company that also did drive-aways. When he took delivery of the car he
> noticed several fresh paint chips on the front end. Then, when he got the
> car home, he inspected the speedo/trans joint and it was finger tight.
> Sorta makes ya stop and say "Hmmm"!

I guess I don't get what your indicating here.

> Chris, are you developing a long-distance lust? :-)

Well there may come a day when I may be offered a wonderful car that
just might be in another state.  I have got to plan my long-distance
acquisitions realistically.

Later....


Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 05:10:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: John Pajak

- ---Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote:

> How many of these cars are actually running and in good shape?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

65 Delta 88 2dr : runs, tagged, presentable, but could use paint
66 Toronado     : runs, tagged, same
69 Cutlass      : runs, but not tagged, really needs paint/interior
70 Cutlass S 2dr: runs, tagged, won't always back up, needs paint
70 Cutlass S 2dr: runs poorly, future race car
70 Cutlass S W31: barely runs, needs resto
70 442 W30 conv : runs, tagged, could use paint
71 Supreme      : runs, tagged, new paint
72 Delta 88 conv: runs, not tagged, needs rust repair/paint
72 Cutlass conv : runs, not tagged, some body damage
72 442 W30 conv : runs, tagged, needs full cosmetics
86 Cutlass Supreme: runs, tagged, presentable

+ 4 70-72 parts cars

Hope I haven't bored y'all :)

John Pajak (Internut)                 JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak



_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:11:15 -0500
From: "James Meeks" <jimmeeks@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 dash overlays

Believe me...unless Year One just got them in since Monday...They don't have
them for the 1970 Cutlas and they haven't had anything in several months.
Their supplier for this is Fusick and they have no more source for the
product, unless their situation has changed since Monday.  BTW, the 1970 had
the Walnut Burl pattern.  Supposedly the only year Olds used that pattern.
You might find the 69 at Fusick, Year One, or probably Ken at Specialty Olds
in Winter Haven, FL

JIM
- -----Original Message-----
From: Russell G. Baker <rgbaker@wt.net>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 18, 1997 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: 1970 dash overlays


>Year One has what your looking for...  I received a cutlass/442 parts
catalog and they are
>Listed....
>
>Does anyone know were I can get a woodgrain dash overlay for a 69' 442 ???
>
>rgbaker@wt.net
>" If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
>Russell G. Baker
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikey tvb [SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:46 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: 1970 dash overlays
>
>you guys might want to try "year one".  my friend and i are currently
>restoring a 70 442.  when he bought the car it was in pieces and all the
>restoration parts were with it.  included was a woodgrain dash overlay.
the
>package said year one. all the other parts for the car were bought from
year
>one.
>
>mikey tvb@aol.com
>73 cutlass w/403
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:49:09 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

Tim, I have a wiring diagram for a 70 on my web site. I don't know how
much difference there is between the 68 and 70 but it might be  a start.
Go to the link Wiring Diagram at my web site:

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/be.html


Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

-----Original Message-----
From:JCutlass [SMTP:JCutlass@aol.com]
Sent:Wednesday, December 17, 1997 9:49 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: SX Electrical Woes, H*lp! (long-ish)

Recently acquired a 68 Cutlass S convertible for my 16 yr old
son ( and Dad)
and have same electrical quirks. Stored outside took its toll. I
jumped the
blower fan and got 3 out of 4 speeds, but the switch works in
reverse, Good
enuf for the winter. Replaced turn signal switch and cured
several problems,
including dim dash lights and horn, which honked when you turned
left. Had an
alledged mechanic tell me it needs a motor blower switchcontrol
switch, I have
my doubts to his expertise. After he screwed with it, the fuel
gauge light is
out and gauge is not working. Friend says he thinks there's a
printer circuit
board in the back side of the gauge. Is this correct? and where
would one find
such a critter. Would anybody have a good source for electrical
wiring
diagrams for my 68.
Thanks all Oldsfolks
jcutlass@aol.com (Tim Jester  Yukon,Oklahoma

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:09:27 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Transporting car across the country

I bet there are enough people on the list that we could shuttle the car
for one cost to the other. I could drive from SC,GA to say some one in
AL. Any one in AL want to drive it to MS or AR.

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

-----Original Message-----
From:Peg O'Connor [SMTP:peg@grove.ufl.edu]
Sent:Thursday, December 18, 1997 1:24 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Transporting car across the country

> I was talking to a friend the other day about this and she
said that
> sometimes
> people need a car to go from whereever they are at to where I
am at and
> will
> drive the car to your door.  Their fee is nominal since they
get to use
> the
> car on the way out.  Anyone heard of such a thing?

(Peg raises her hand and volunteers to drive any Oldsmobiles
from anywhere
to anywhere)

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:18:17 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: SX Electrical Woes

Doc Bob wrote:

Got around to working on the SX today, and chased away some of my
electrical...

<snip detailed box score>

I suspected bad grounds,...It seems that the badly-corroded backside of the
bumper no longer makes good contact with the frame bracket. I was surprised,
though, because the lights *did* work, and the left side seemed to work
quite well.

     Bob,

     Actually, the trick here is that with the ground gone, there is a
     sneak circuit back through the other filament in the 1157 bulb, which
     will ground the turn signal circuit through the tail light circuit.
     The dim glow usually is from the tail light filament, not the turn
     signal one.  I had a similar problem with the front 1157s on one of
     the cars one time.  Seems like the ground pigtail from the forward
     compartment lamp harness (the black wire which has a terminal lug
     screwed to the core support) had come loose/corroded.  I had the
     problem of the turn signals glowing dimly and flashing slowly.  Taking
     the lens off of the lamp allowed me to see that _both_ filaments were
     glowing dimly.  That makes sense if you look at the following diagram:

                    Turn Signal ___            ___ Light Filament
                    Filament       \          /
                                    \        /
                                  /WWWW\   /WWWW\
                                  |     \ /     |
                                  |      |      |
                 From Turn Sig--->|      |      |<---From Lights
                                       __|__
                                        ___   GND
                                         _

     Obviously, removing the ground causes the current to seek another
     path.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:33:39 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Inline filters

LEIGH TENENHOLTZ asked:

JOE, CAN I PUT AN INLINE FILTER BEFORE THE STOCK FUEL PUMP AND STILL USE THE
FILTER IN THE CARB TO KEEP IT LOOKING STOCK?

     Sure, but this unfortunately doesn't add the benefit of removing the
     restriction of the small stock filter.  Having said that, there _are_
     some benefits to this two filter approach, or even just using a single
     inline filter _before_ the pump.

     I've seen a number of references which suggest a large filter should
     be mounted close to the tank, as the majority of crap in the gas is
     either rust/scale generated in the tank or is debris which comes in
     the gas itself.  Most electric fuel pump manufacturers actually
     recommend putting the filter before the pump to help protect the pump.
     This is probably more important for vane or impeller type pumps than
     for diaphragm pumps (as are most mechanical pumps).

     In the dual filter approach, the second, smaller filter at the carb
     would serve to catch anything that got past the first filter, plus any
     debris generated by the pump itself.  In that respect, this is
     probably a good idea.  In addition, since the restriction of a brand
     new carb filter is probably significantly less than that of a used
     one, having the large inline filter to catch most of the debris will
     keep the small filter clean and this minimize its restriction.

     Note that most fuel injected cars today use a relatively large inline
     filter mounted close to the tank.  Of course, with the use of in-tank
     pumps, the filter is obviously _after_ the electric pump.  Don't know
     what to make of that, just an observation.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 10:37:45 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Photo Contest

     I don't want to imply any kind of election fixing or anything here,
     but if we divide our votes among the three best cars on the ballot,
     it's highly unlikely that any one of the three will get enough to win.
     We may want to consider picking one of the three here on the list,
     then throwing the entire weight of our list member votes at that one
     car.

     Hey, isn't that how the electoral college is supposed to work?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:05:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: 4 core radiator

> Does anybody know what hardware is required to convert a 72 cutlass to a
> 4 core rad, and where to get any needed hardware?


I have instructions from Joe Padavano from July 1996 when I asked this same
question to the list.  The instructions tell you how to modify your current
brackets to accommodate the larger radiator.  I'll include Joe's message
below.

One thing to lookout for is that the radiator is correct for an Olds.  I
got a 4 row rad once that had the drain valve on the bottom of the new
radiator.  This was a problem because it wouldn't sit in the car properly,
and I would never have been able to easily reach the drain valve.
The drain valve on the radiator should face the engine.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
And now, a chapter out of the Olds List history!  Re-posted without
permission -- Joe, did we sign a non-disclosure agreement when we joined
the list?  ;-)

me> I am replacing the radiator in my '71 CS.  I bought a new heavy duty 4-row
me> unit from a local shop, and when we tried to put it in the car, it
me> didn't sit low enough....

          I've done the 4-row swap into a number of 68-72 Cutlass/442
          bodies over the years.  I've always been out for the most
          cooling capability I could get, so I've tried to get Olds 98
          radiators ("what's the biggest Olds 98 with air radiator you
          can get?").  Most radiator shops have catalogs with pages
          and pages of different configurations with all dimentions.
          It turns out that the core (as opposed to the end tanks) has
          the same length and width for virtually all Olds
          applications of that vintage (can't vouch for the odd-Toro,
          though :), with the only differnce in the thickness.  Also,
          all of these radiators have the drain plug facing the
          engine, not the crossmember.  This leads me to believe that
          you have been given the wrong unit (that _never_ happens!).

          I _have_ had to make some mods to the crossmember, however.
          It turns out that the tanks (and cores, however the radiator
          is supported at the flange where the core is soldered to the
          tanks) on these 4-row units are wider than the rubber
          isolators on the crossmember and upper plate, with the
          result that the radiator will not fit all the way down into
          these isolators.  This is especially true if you are
          starting with a car which originally had a 2-row radiator.
          These rubber isolators fit into U-shaped metal brackets
          which are spot welded to the crossmember and which are
          formed into the top plate.  I'm sure it's possible to find
          the correct crossmember and top plate, but failing that,
          I've found that the judicious application of a two pound
          sledge hammer will customize the brackets.

          The best way to do this is to first remove the rubber
          isolators, then flatten the metal brackets on the
          crossmember. It is only necessary to bent the forward leg of
          the brackets.  The rubber isolators can then be reinstalled.
          They are held in place with molded-in bosses which are
          pushed into holes in the brackets.  The bosses which fit
          into the forward leg of the bracket will obviously no longer
          fit and should be cut off of the isolator.  The single rear
          boss will be sufficient, as the assembly is captured by the
          radiator once it is in place.  Repeat this process on the
          upper brackets and the new thicker radiator will drop into
          place.

          The trans cooler lines should mate right up.  One thing to
          be aware of when selecting a new radiator, however, is the
          diameter of the inlet and outlet bosses.  If they are
          different from your original unit, you may need to scan a
          radiator hose catalog for correct hoses.  This is not a big
          deal, as this radiator _was_ used on another Olds, so the
          correct diameter hoses should be available.

          As I said, I've done this on several A-body cars and have
          never seen the temperature go over 190, even with the feeble
          four-bladed fan and the shroud missing!

          Joe Padavano

- --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:09:00 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Photo Contest

Joe,

I'm glad that you mentioned the electorial college.  That should be the main
source for solving Dr. Bob's SX electrical woes.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

P.S.  Like many others, I have already voted.  It was certainly a delima
too.  Here's hoping that the best car wins on it's merrits and that this
appeals to people outlside the list also.

>
>     I don't want to imply any kind of election fixing or anything here,
>     but if we divide our votes among the three best cars on the ballot,
>     it's highly unlikely that any one of the three will get enough to win.
>     We may want to consider picking one of the three here on the list,
>     then throwing the entire weight of our list member votes at that one
>     car.
>
>     Hey, isn't that how the electoral college is supposed to work?
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:19:02 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: services@myclassiccar.com

> I am going to look at this car this weekend and I am wondering if anyone
> can tell me the difference between:
>
> Cutlass Salon
> Cutlass Supreme
> Cutlass Calais
>
> Please e-mail me directly at grstaffo@pittstate.edu
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg Stafford


Peg O'Connor is your 1978 Cutlass authority.  If she doesn't answer this,
then drop her a line -- peg@grove.ufl.edu.

- --
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 97 11:20:34 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: If Microsoft Built Cars

     This is a variation on a classic theme (page down).  Not really
     Olds-related, and sort of predictable, but funny.  I've added my
     editorial comments in brackets.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

     _____________________________________________________________________

     If Microsoft built cars...

     ...Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you'd have to buy
     a new car.

     ...Occasionally your car would just die on the motorway for no reason,
     you'd accept this, restart and drive on.

     [OK, show of hands.  How many on the list have cars like this?]

     ...Occasionally, executing a maneuver would cause your car to stop
     and fail to restart and you'd have to re-install the engine. For some
     strange reason, you'd just accept this too.

     [What's your point?  ;-) ]

     ...You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you
     bought a "Car 95" or a "Car NT". But then you'd have to buy more
     seats.

     [If the carpool lanes around DC are any indication, this isn't a
     problem!]

     ...Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was twice
     as reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive - but it
     would only run on five percent of the roads.

     ...The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades
     to their cars which would make their cars go much slower.

     [Made by SplitFire, probably ;-) ]

     ...The oil, engine, gas and alternator warning lights would be
     replaced with a single "General Car Fault" warning light.

     [You mean, like the "Check Engine" light?]

     ...People would get excited about the "new" features in Microsoft
     cars, forgetting completely that they had been available in other cars
     for many years.

     [Sort of like Porsche's TipTronic transmission and all the clones
     (Chrysler's AutoStick, etc.) - seems the Dual Gate has been available
     for years]

     ...We'd all have to switch to Microsoft gas and all auto fluids but the
     packaging would be superb.

     [Genuine GM Parts - now made in Mexico!]

     ...New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.

     [Sat in any small cars lately?]

     ...The airbag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off.

     [Not necessarily a _bad_ thing]

     ...If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened.

     [Like most people _do_?]

     ...They wouldn't build their own engines, but form a cartel with their
     engine suppliers. The latest engine would have 16 cylinders,
     multi-point fuel injection and 4 turbos, but it would be a side- valve
     design so you could use Model-T Ford parts on it.

     ...There would be an "Engine Pro" with bigger turbos, but it would be
     slower on most existing roads.

     ...Microsoft cars would have a special radio/cassette player which
     would only be able to listen to Microsoft FM, and play Microsoft
     Cassettes. Unless of course, you buy the upgrade to use existing stuff.

     ...Microsoft would do so well, because even though they don't own any
     roads, all of the road manufacturers would give away Microsoft cars
     free, including IBM!

     ...If you still ran old versions of car (ie. CarDOS 6.22/CarWIN 3.11),
     then you would be called old fashioned, but you would be able to drive
     much faster, and on more roads!

     [I think the term musclecar applies here!  (At the risk of setting off
     the Q4 guys again!)]

     ...If you couldn't afford to buy a new car, then you could just
     borrow your friend's and copy it.

     ...Whenever you bought a car, you would have to reorganize the
     ignition for a few days before it worked.

     [Again, show of hands...]

     ...You would need to by an upgrade to run cars on a motorway next to each
     other.





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