
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, January 10 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1051



Re: Non-Olds Brakes Question
Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass
Torque specs
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass
Re: Comfortron Heater blues??
Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: She Still Has Not Started! ('cause I'm lazy)
Re: 70 Delta 88 Custom
Re: Strange probs (Was: She Still Has Not Started!)
Fwd: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: 70 Delta 88 Custom
Fw: Good Bye For a While
Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: Strange probs (Was: She Still Has Not Started!)
Those of U with web sites
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: HEI Conversion
100 Years of Oldsmobile video
Thanks to Bob and Joe.
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: A-body frames..67's
UNBOUNCE: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video 
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Painting kick panels
testing don't read
Re: HEI Conversion
Re: Painting kick panels
61 OLDS PARTS
Olds site, please visit
Re: 55 Olds Hard Starting
Re: Painting kick panels
Non-Olds PC Question
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: HEI Conversion
Door Panels, hoodliner, ect for 77
Re:  oldsmobile-digest V1 #1050
Re: Painting kick panels
72 olds bumper
TCI Streetfighter TH2004R
PATTON
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Basic HEI Conversion Question
High Heater problems

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:44:51 -0500
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds Brakes Question

Joe,

Thanks for the reply.  He did a whole lota' pushin' and turnin' to finally
get them to recess.  I feel bad because he's 72 years old and I recommended
he do it himself.  I've just been too busy at work to help.  Anyway, the
job's done and we're a little smarter as a result.

John Gill
70 W30

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> From: Padavano.Joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Non-Olds Brakes Question
> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 3:43 PM
> 
> 
> The Chilton manual calls for a special tool which is used to rotate the 
> piston clockwise until firmly seated.  I picked up the tool for him at a 
> local auto parts store but he is still having a very difficult time of
it. 
> They barely move inward.
>      
> Has anyone heard of such a thing?  The salesman at parts store says many 
> new GM and Ford products are going to this system.
>      
>      I had the same problem on my wife's 92 Regal.  It took a lot of 
>      turning of the tool while pushing in on the piston to finally get
them 
>      to retract.
>      
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>      
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
>      
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:40:47 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
> 
> Hey gang,
> 
> My brother is now the proud owner of a 1985 Cutlass Supreme 4dr. The car
> has a 307 with an automatic transmission. Reverse is kaput and he needs
> to install a new one. I must sheepishly admit that my knowledge of these
> cars is about zilch and I need to find out what model transmission as
> well as a model and year spread that we can get another one out of.

My knowledge goes like this...

3Spd auto - THM-200C
4Spd Auto - THM-200R, or 700 or something, dunno, I know the 3Spd...

Not nessarily aimed to yourself, but more towards the Group...

Wasn't there talk about sliding a 350, or 400 in one of these too?
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:20:42 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Torque specs

I am venturing into the world of putting together my 1964 394 4bbl engine,
and am wondering what torque specs I need to be aware of, and any other
tidbits of advice I can get from the vast experts on the list.  Taking it
apart was the easy job, the task is about to begin.  Your help as always is
greatly appreciated.

Gary
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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 19:59:58 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes

>and came flying over a
>hill at about 90mph and discovered an elderly couple in a late model Ford
>Tempo not even breaking the 50mph speed limit.  A downhill 40mph decrease -
>I don't think my butt saw the seat for another 10 seconds or so while I was
>busy trying to pull the steering wheel off :)


   LOL ...been there, done that... LOL..."busy trying to pull the steering
wheel off"...Laughing my a-- off

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:18:51 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass

At 05:52 PM 1/9/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>M 1985 Cutlass Supreme 4dr.  has a 307 with an automatic transmission. 
>
>



I have an 86 Cutlass 4dr 307 mine has the 200r4 o/d trans.  Does his car
have overdrive (o/d)?  I realy enjoy the car. I  have made several major
road trips
in 97.  If he is intrested I think I have a picture on disk around here some
where that I could send.

Good luck and enjoy 
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:19:26 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Comfortron Heater blues??

Oh, no!  The dreaded "C" word!

Eric & Rosi & Jonathon wrote:
> 
> (Sorry
> guys, 1972 American technology just doesn't cut it for accurately
> controling car temperatures..)

I beg to differ here.  Actually the system in my '67 does a great job
once all the bugs are worked out of it.  It worked flawlessly for 28
years, then the heater control valve died.  I bypassed that and it
worked great again.  Then I developed a vacuum leak (created by a body
man working on the hood attaching bolts.  He knocked the leak-down plug
out).  The it worked flawlessly again.  Then the blower motor died.  I
put in the motor out of a '72 Cutlass.  Now it's working flawlessly
again (knocking wood).  I've been told by mechanics who worked on these
when they were new that these were great systems when the worked right. 
But they didn't work, they were a real b*tch.  Vacuum leaks and pinched
wires can wreak havoc on these systems.  
 
> 1)  When I place the 'adjuster' on AUTO-HI, should not the fan BLOW ON
> HIGH REGARDLESS?

Regardless of what?  The blower will not blow at all until the interior
temperature reaches about 70 degrees or the coolant reaches about 120
degrees.  On Auto-Low, the blower is always on low speed.  On Auto-Mid
the blower is regulated automatically.  There are four automatic speeds:
Low, Med 1, Med 2 and Hi.  On Auto-Hi the blower is always on high
speed.  Maybe your blower isn't blowing on high because the blower is
bad and has lost one (or more) or its ranges.
 
> 2)  I see above the glovebox what looks like a thermostat-air entry,
> currently the reaction-time for the thermostat is way too slow (works on
> long trips not too bad, but no good for short trips)..  Can I increase
> the airflow through this to make it more timely??

This would be the in-car sensor.  It is connected to an aspirator, which
is attached to the top of the heater case.  When the blower is
operating, the aspirator draws air through the sensor (I believe another
listee eluded to this fact).  Maybe the hose is off the back of the
sensor.  Maybe the hose is off the aspirator.  Maybe the blower motor
isn't working properly, hence the aspirator isn't drawing in the
required amount of air flow at the sensor to give accurate readings.
 
> 3)  Currently to force the fan to run, I have to leave it on defrost...

That sounds right, as Defrost bypasses the heater control valve (120
degrees) and the in-car thermal switch (70 degrees).  The in-car thermal
switch is different from the in-car sensor.  The in-car thermal switch
is what measures that magic 70 degree interior temperature and allows
the system to operate.  This switch is located on the back of the
control head.

> If I ran my own switch to feed the fan power, and moved the selector
> between  bi-level , auto and defrost, would I get heat, or just a fan
> blowing air into a bunch of closed-off vents??

I honestly can't say.  All these sensor and switches contol not only
blower speed, but also temperature control.  I'd say the best thing you
can do would be to get a service manual and go through the diagnostics
(slowly and carefully) and replace the part that you think needs to be
replaced.  When my Comfortron quit I have visions of headaches, big
repair bills, and probably not being able to find anyone that would even
work on it.  With the help of the service manual and a supplementary
Comfortron manual they had in '66 I was able to repair the system
myself.  All I needed was a test light and  to follow the directions
slowly and carefully.  I even repeated the steps twice to make sure I
was doing the right thing and that I was getting the right result.  I'm
no longer afraid of "the monster under the dash" or "the monster under
the hood".
 
> 4)  Has anyone ever made any relatively easy mods to this heater to make
> it work better,

I highly doubt it.  Mods, maybe.  Relatively ease?  I think that's
almost impossible.

> the Heat is good but the lack-of-me-controlling the heat
> just doesn't work!

Really, this is not a poorly designed system, it's just not working
properly.
 
> ANY/ALL Comments Please...
> 
> Eric

As a last resort, you could do what I'd do with my '67 as a last
resort.  Rip out (carefully) everything that involves the Comfortron
system, go to the salvage yard and find another '72 that has "Four
Season A/C" and convert your system over to manual A/C.  That's only as
a last resort, as I think you can get your system functioning properly. 
Sounds like you have something that isn't letting the blower come on
full speed in Automatic.  If your getting full speed on Defrost then it
can't be the blower.  There's a blower Auto relay under the hood on the
driver's side of the evaporator case.  That's what varies the blower
speed on automatic.  Maybe it's bad.  

Paul 
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Comfortron equipped)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:39:23 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass

clarence wirtz wrote:

> I have an 86 Cutlass 4dr 307 mine has the 200r4 o/d trans.  Does his car
> have overdrive (o/d)?  I realy enjoy the car. I  have made several major
> road trips
> in 97.  If he is intrested I think I have a picture on disk around here some
> where that I could send.

You're welcome to send them to me, I'll stick 'em on my page for ya.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:49:20 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

Jonathan Eaton wrote:
 
>     I'm having a problem with the power steering in the 1987. When the
> car is cold and I haven't driven it for a while, I find myself without
> power steering until it decides to kick in down the road. (Which
> always makes left hand turns exciting.) is this a common occurrence in
> this model of car? How can I fix it? What is it?

You've got a seal problem in the steering rack.  This is a very common
problem in older GM front wheel drive cars.  The seals inside the rack
score the inside of the rack and allow fluid to leak past the seals. 
I've been told this is cause by the location of the steering rack and
it's subsequent absorbing of engine heat.  Very typical of GM cars from
the Chevy Cavalier to the Cadillac Eldorado.  Sometimes the seals can be
replaced, sometimes a whole new steering rack is required.  A seal
repair does not guarantee that problem won't reoccur.  GM used to have a
"silent recall" on these units.  It wasn't really a recall, but some
units were repaired with the customer paying $100 deductible and GM
picking up the rest of the tab.  That was back in the last 80s/early
90s.  Don't know if it's still good today.  My recommendation would be
to call Oldsmobile Customer Service and explain your problem to them. 
Tell them you know that they know this is a problem and ask them what
they are willing to do for you.  Don't know what (if anything) they'll
do on an '87, especially if you're not the first owner.  But then, I've
seen GM fix some paint problems for customes who bought their cars used
and had racked up of 100K miles on them, so who knows?

> Jonathan R. Eaton
> je@outraged.com
> 

> 1987 98 Grande SE

A Grande!  Than't pretty interesting.  Don't see many of those.  I think
that's one worth holding on to.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:01:51 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: She Still Has Not Started! ('cause I'm lazy)

padavano.joe wrote:

> ..Anyone care to share a method of getting that sucker off w/o using
> an
> impact wrench?
>
>   try this one....it worked on a 2.3 litre F#rd we worked on
> today...take a breaker bar with a socket on it...let it lie against
> the ground....due to the clockwise rotation of the motor it will go
> against the ground....take off the coil wire...you don't want to start
> it at this point...then use the starter to bust it loose...it works
> like a charm....you'd be surprised at the amount of torque a starter
> posses....don't know any easy way to get the harmonic balancer
> though....the 1 on our F$rd just slipped right off....but as for
> oldsmobiles...they are pressed on....Hoagie

1970 Cutlass SX convertible1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 "Hardtop Coupe"
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:39:35 -0700
From: NOVAMARK@webtv.net (MARK ERTHUM)
Subject: Re: 70 Delta 88 Custom

Anybody need any 4dr parts.Car has mint brown/white door panels with
power window cutouts. Frontend totaled. Email novamark@webtv.net for
more info. 

Talk to ya later,
Mark from Az.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:41:26 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Strange probs (Was: She Still Has Not Started!)

In a message dated 98-01-09 14:06:25 EST, you write:

<< ..I suppose a bad coil will make any timing light a piece of junk. :-)
      
      Along the lines of oddball problems, I had a devil of a time with a 
      friend's V6 powered 75 Starfire (H-body).  The car would not start; 
      there was no spark whatsoever.  I'm ashamed to admit that we replaced 
      the coil and HEI module before finding out that the rotor had a carbon 
      arc through the plastic under the center contact and was grounding out 
      to the distributor shaft!  The rotor looked fine, so we didn't suspect 
      it as a culprit until, is desperation, we replaced it.  We later found 
      the offending short.  If my feeble memory serves, the bad rotor was an 
      off-brand, so I guess it really is worth paying more for the 
      OEM-quality parts.
      
      Joe Padavano >>

My problems I had were that the rotor I bought lost continuity between the
connection on top, and the tip (somewhere in the middle of the rotor), so it
was not firing.  Car was turning over perfectly fine, but not spark.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:40:44 EST
From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still

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Hi Mick (again)
   You either have a porcelin ballast resistor or a resistor wire:  a ballast
resistor is hard to miss.  It looks like a small rectangular box and is
porcelin;  a resistor wire is almost always covered with a woven material and
is usually silver.  
    In a point system you can tell if you have a resistor or not by connecting
a volt meter to the plus side of the coil and to the negative battery post,
make sure the points are closed, iginition key should be turned to run
position, if you have 6 volts there is a resistor present.
     You can run your twelve volt wire right off the iginition switch or
splice on to a wire going into the fuse panel, but not directly to a fuse;
because this  wire will get hot.
     If you are not sure you have voltage while cranking you can run a wire
from the starter solenoid (R terminal) into the wire you are using for your
twelve volt source. 
     If any of this is not clear please let me know.
     Mike
     (Wrencher43@aol.com)

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:07:29 -0500
From: "Jonathan Eaton" <je@outraged.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Jonathan Eaton
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE


>I was not impressed at first with them either, but they grow on ya...  I
>think it would be wicked if Olds stuck their Aurora powerplant, or the
>"new Aurora 6" with a 5Spd, and some T-Tops, maybe even a Convertible,
>but only in two door versions for both.  With that combo, I'd think
>twice about snagging an Intrigue.  <G>
>--



I don't know why they don't try to produce a more affordable version of the
Shelby Aurora. It's a wicked looking car, but the sticker price of
$90,000(US)  is a little bit of a heart stopper.. But that's ok.. They've
sold all 200 they built. :)

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:04:59 +0000
From: "M. Slocum" <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: 70 Delta 88 Custom

Are the parts interchangable with a 72 cutlass?

MARK ERTHUM wrote:

> Anybody need any 4dr parts.Car has mint brown/white door panels with
> power window cutouts. Frontend totaled. Email novamark@webtv.net for
> more info.
>
> Talk to ya later,
> Mark from Az.

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:10:07 -0500
From: "Road Runner Email" <nlamboy1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Good Bye For a While

- -----Original Message-----
From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:52 PM
Subject: Good Bye For a While


>Evan though I am taking myself of this list for a while I would like to
>thank everyone for all of the information and insights you have given me
>over the last year or so.
>
> Thanks
> Nick Lamboy
> 83 Hurst Olds
>
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:53:05 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass

I have the complete shifter assembly for a '64-'66 auto.  T-top is not
broken.  I'd have to pull it out to see what condition the chrome is in,
can't recall.

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Ken Swick <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass
> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:12 AM
> 
> Kurt :
> 
> Just got back from Biloxi and saw your message about T-handle.
> I am looking for T-Handle for 1966 442 auto

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:19:05 +0000
From: "M. Slocum" <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

Chrysler(sorry) seems to be making alot of $ on this retro-modern thing. Why
not come out with a supercharged 350 in a 'modern' 60's or 70's style cutlass?
Consumers are eager to pay big bucks for niche cars, why not a 442? Besides,
most manufactures plan to move back to rear wheel drive with at least part (if
not all) of their lineup.

On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?

My .$.02.

Mike Slocum
Chicago

Jonathan Eaton wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Jonathan Eaton
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
>
> >I was not impressed at first with them either, but they grow on ya...  I
> >think it would be wicked if Olds stuck their Aurora powerplant, or the
> >"new Aurora 6" with a 5Spd, and some T-Tops, maybe even a Convertible,
> >but only in two door versions for both.  With that combo, I'd think
> >twice about snagging an Intrigue.  <G>
> >--
>
> I don't know why they don't try to produce a more affordable version of the
> Shelby Aurora. It's a wicked looking car, but the sticker price of
> $90,000(US)  is a little bit of a heart stopper.. But that's ok.. They've
> sold all 200 they built. :)

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:19:37 -0500
From: "Jonathan Eaton" <je@outraged.com>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Jonathan Eaton
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.



>Does it feel choppy before it "kicks" in??  If so, I think that would be
>classified as "Morning Sickness" for the car, that's when the rack is
>having a hard time moving the fluid, I think....   I can say my dad's 87
>Skyhawk did this, and did it good...  I learned to drive thinking cars
>were supposed to jerk like that..  <G>.  My 78 LeSabre would do the same
>thing as well, but it was not rack, it was pump, and it would do it only
>when the fluid level was low, or I had the pump disconnected...  It
>leaked a quart of P/S fluid per 100 Miles...  The hoses were shot...


    Thanks for the help.. I'm not sure if  "Morning Sickness" would be
correct term for it. The Power steering also cuts out if the wheel is
between maybe a 45 to a 60 degree turn. I know for certain that the steering
gear is not rack. I think it must be the seals.



>Leads me into my Question...  302?  As in Ford?  Chevy? <G>  I didn't
>think Olds had a 302, they got a 307, weak, but working....  <G>

    Ya, ya ya! I know, I know..:) one mistype and I've been Lynched. :) And
no, It's not weak.. I had it blue printed and painted/chromed. :) I think I
am officially the first person in the universe to stock and custom a 1984
Oldsmobile Delta 88 Sedan. :)

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:05 -0500
From: "Jonathan Eaton" <je@outraged.com>
Subject: Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Jonathan Eaton
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Trans for '85 Cutlass


>
>Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
>>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> My brother is now the proud owner of a 1985 Cutlass Supreme 4dr. The car
>> has a 307 with an automatic transmission. Reverse is kaput and he needs
>> to install a new one. I must sheepishly admit that my knowledge of these
>> cars is about zilch and I need to find out what model transmission as
>> well as a model and year spread that we can get another one out of.


You say reverse is Kaput... Do you mean you put it in reverse, and the
engine is disengaged? or do you mean that the shift lever won't let you put
it in R?


    Might be the linkages???

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:38:56 -0500
From: "Jonathan Eaton" <je@outraged.com>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To:Jonathan EatonDate: Friday, January 09, 1998 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.


>
>You've got a seal problem in the steering rack.  This is a very common
>problem in older GM front wheel drive cars.  The seals inside the rack
>score the inside of the rack and allow fluid to leak past the seals.
>I've been told this is cause by the location of the steering rack and
>it's subsequent absorbing of engine heat.  Very typical of GM cars from
>the Chevy Cavalier to the Cadillac Eldorado.  Sometimes the seals can be
>replaced, sometimes a whole new steering rack is required.  A seal
>repair does not guarantee that problem won't reoccur.  GM used to have a
>"silent recall" on these units.  It wasn't really a recall, but some
>units were repaired with the customer paying $100 deductible and GM
>picking up the rest of the tab.  That was back in the last 80s/early
>90s.  Don't know if it's still good today.  My recommendation would be
>to call Oldsmobile Customer Service and explain your problem to them.
>Tell them you know that they know this is a problem and ask them what
>they are willing to do for you.  Don't know what (if anything) they'll
>do on an '87, especially if you're not the first owner.  But then, I've
>seen GM fix some paint problems for customes who bought their cars used
>and had racked up of 100K miles on them, so who knows?
>
>> 1987 98 Grande SE
>
>A Grande!  Than't pretty interesting.  Don't see many of those.  I think
>that's one worth holding on to.


    Oh beautiful.. my quote-unquote "Certified" Goodwrench Mechanic tells me
it's not a rack and pinion system. Now, I hear that not only is it rack and
pinion, but it also has a common problem that is common in all GM cars? This
is terrific. I'm just going to get a local mechanic around the corner from
my house to fix it.

    The deal with the customer service.. What's the number? The Grande was
one of 17 made by Oldsmobile for all the big wigs there in 1987. Out of that
17, there are 12 still in existence.. and mine is the only one with pigskin
interior and the complete digital display... I was owned by someone before
me, but sold it to my dad in October of 87 because he was too fat and the
arm rest dug into his hip. The car has exactly 21,834km on a 3.8 Litre MEFI
V-6 .. Do you think they'd pay for it?

Thanks for your help!

Jonathan Eaton
je@outraged.com

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:44:43 -0500
From: "Jonathan Eaton" <je@outraged.com>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Jonathan Eaton
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.


>Hmmm, is anything leaking? Sounds like a seal is leaking internally, until
>it warms up. I don't know if that would be in the rack or the pump. Didn't
>these cars have notorious problems with their rack and pinion systems?


    The steering system isn't even rack and pinion, I think it's something
wierd like 'hydraulic assist' or something like that. I'm not sure it's the
seals because I haven't needed to put any fluid in it in months..



>You mean that it's dead on all speeds? See if the connector to the motor
>itself is loose. You could also jumper a heavy-gauge wire directly to the
>blower motor to see if it runs. I doubt it's the switches, since there are
>two entirely separate circuits for the blower motor; one for the three
>lower speeds, and a separate one for the HI speed. Oh, the connection at
>the blower motor relay (bolted to your A/C box on the firewall) might also
>be loose, corroded or broken.

Yup.. The blower motor is dead on all speeds and on all settings. I think it
might be the relay because in early June I had GOODWRENCH SERVICE replace
the entire air conditioning system because all the hoses leaked. I'll take
it in to them and have them deal with it.



>
>As for it always running, yes, that's normal, as long as the key is in the
>RUN position, even when all functions are off. Well, it's normal for it
>always to be running on LO; if it's always running on HI, then you've got a
>problem.




>Do you mean on the 307's? Whatever the case, there's a technique for
>removing an upper rope-type seal with the crank in place; never had the
>pleasure of trying it, though.

Yes, my appologies.. it's a 307... Never had the pleasure? Be my guest. :)


Thanks for the help!

Jonathan Eaton
je@outraged.com

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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:10:17 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Strange probs (Was: She Still Has Not Started!)

Joe brought back fond memories of our old '75 Hurst Olds - it would do the
same thing (i.e. the carbon arc through the center of the rotor) on a
randomly obnoxious usually late at night basis.  We took to carrying a
spare rotor in the car.  OEM or cheapo's - it didn't matter what we put on
there, it still did the same thing.   


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:05:05 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Those of U with web sites

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1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:02:19 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

> Chrysler(sorry) seems to be making alot of $ on this retro-modern thing. Why
> not come out with a supercharged 350 in a 'modern' 60's or 70's style cutlass?
> Consumers are eager to pay big bucks for niche cars, why not a 442? Besides,
> most manufactures plan to move back to rear wheel drive with at least part (if
> not all) of their lineup.

I hate to say it, but I'd rather they not bring a muscle 442 back from
the past...  It'll destroy the beauty of the original...  I thought long
about them bringing an original Goat back from retirement, or a 64.5
Pony outta it's stable, but the cost involved would never make the car
easily accessible.  Ford tried this back in the early 80's with a
company called Shay's reproductions...  They had a DEALER SOLD 29 Model
A Set on an '80 Pinto chassis.  My uncle had one that he was reworking
into a Hot Rod...  Titled by the State of South Carolina as a 1980 Shay
and the serial number of the car.  But if they cranked out a Muscle car,
we'd never be able to buy it...  <G>

Now I LIKE the idea of RWD back in the line-up....  Can you see a RWD
Aurora?  Or a RWD Intrigue???  
 
> On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?

It'd be cool...  But it looks like car companies feel they have to
follow the trend, not set a trend...  The trend being, affordable
(hahaha), dependable, Family Cars that have pep, and SUVs...  Just about
all of the companies have one in the line up...  Seems they think
there's no market for a 2 Door sporty car....   Then again, wasn't this
the dilemna that brought us the 442, or the Mustang, or the rest of the
high powered Detroit Steel?  <G> Our time is coming...  SUVs can't reign
forever, insurance companies are already talking about jacking them
around.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:25 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

Jonathan Eaton wrote:

> >Leads me into my Question...  302?  As in Ford?  Chevy? <G>  I didn't
> >think Olds had a 302, they got a 307, weak, but working....  <G>
> 
>     Ya, ya ya! I know, I know..:) one mistype and I've been Lynched. :) And
> no, It's not weak.. I had it blue printed and painted/chromed. :) I think I
> am officially the first person in the universe to stock and custom a 1984
> Oldsmobile Delta 88 Sedan. :)

<G>, I drive a 307 everyday...  Not a tire smokin' front end jerking
motor...  But it is peppy...  I was comparing to a 350, or 455...  307
is the runt of the litter...  <G>
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:16:46 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 5:11 PM
>Subject: Re: HEI Conversion
>
>
>>Hey Mick,
>>
>>How much did it cost you (time and $) to convert to HEI?
>>
>>Chris Sparks
>
>Chris,
>I spent about $220 in total. Time was about 4 hours total. Would have
>been about two hours less if I hadn't spent so much time trying to
>make it work with only a "run" position 12V source.
>
>Dist. $150
>Coil, cap and rotor $25
>R46SX plugs (AC) $16
>HEI wires $25
>Cap and plug from junk yard $5
>(took the cap just to get the ground strap under the coil).
>
>If you want to chance a junk yard distributor you can probably get it
>(complete), for less than $40.
>
>Oh, and if you don't already have an internally regulated alternator,
>you'll need to buy one of those. I think they're about $35 to $40
>rebuilt (usually with $15 core charge rebate).
>
>Even with all new parts it was worth it to me.
>
>Mick Gillespie
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>OCA# 29770
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

The California Comparison:

You have convinced me to do mine.

Just for comparison an almost new internally regulated alternator at the
Pick-a-Part in Sun Valley (the one with the Golden Arches and the Bull not
the one associated with Memory Lane) goes for $10 with a $5 Core Deposit.
It took me about 2 hours to change including modifying the old regulator so
that I did not have to cut the harness.  It is surprising how many cars get
a new alkternator shortly before they are junked!  Make sure you get the
alternator with the SAE mounting screws as the metric alternator is
physically different in size (not just the fastners).  A very worthwhile
change on its own.

They wanted $25 for a complete distributor, cap, rotor, wires, spacers,
etc.  From my experiences with the Riv, I would reccomend buying a new cap,
rotor, coil, wires and module (with lifetime warranty).

The rest of the prices quoted above are comparible.

Question, how does one check a distributor for wear, one I looked at the
shaft would move up and down about 1/8" when it was out of the car.  Is it
this or side to side movement of the shaft I should be worried about?


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:34:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Daryl.442@netchannel.net
Subject: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video

   Hello fellow Oldsmobile enthusiasts,this is Daryl from Show & Strip Productions.WE produced the 2 hour video covering Oldsmobile's 100 year celebration from Lansing,Mi. Did anyone out there see the video and if so,I'd like to here some of your comments.The only complaint so far is that "my car was not in it!With over 2,000 cars in attendance,please understand that it was impossible to include EVERY car in attendance.


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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:39:58 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Thanks to Bob and Joe.

I wrote;

>Would the gas taste (ugh) sweet?

A certain friend of mine returned;

- ->We don't want a note from the coroner saying that you tried to find this
out...

Alack and a lass (if I am lucky there is a lass involved!) but I seem to have
made less than friends with someone (had to replace an almost new tire lately
and I am personally become somewhat suspicious. After all, just because I am
paranoid does not mean that everyone is _not_ out to get me!

But seriously Dr. Barry, when I say that I set timing at 17 degrees advanced I
definately mean that even after backing off from sounds that some others here
have described as "pinging" (marbles in a can) I would have to say that when
last I set timing, pinging occurred at 20-22 degrees before TDC! 

I do not understand what you mean by rubber gasket when you (or someone) said
that might occur if the pulley is held steady (MY brother's pulley puller will
be used).

Thanks much for your two cents.

That also goes for Joe Padavano! No problem with riser such as I know, just
really rusty!

K.Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:56:06 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

M. Slocum wrote:
> 
> Chrysler(sorry) seems to be making alot of $ on this retro-modern thing. Why
> not come out with a supercharged 350 in a 'modern' 60's or 70's style cutlass?
> Consumers are eager to pay big bucks for niche cars, why not a 442? Besides,
> most manufactures plan to move back to rear wheel drive with at least part (if
> not all) of their lineup.
> 
> On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?

I would love to have a new 70-72 style 442 conv with today's advances in
electrical and mechanical technology.  Wonder what a 455 built with
today's technology and tied to a 6 spd trans would turn in the qtr AND
get for mpgs?

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:52:15 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

In a message dated 1/10/98 4:01:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:

<< 
 I would love to have a new 70-72 style 442 conv with today's advances in
 electrical and mechanical technology.  Wonder what a 455 built with
 today's technology and tied to a 6 spd trans would turn in the qtr AND
 get for mpgs?
 
 Don Sowers
 Nicholasville, Ky
 
  >>
Make that a 67 442 conv instead!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:05:11 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: A-body frames..67's

I dont think there is any. i have a big and small block framed a-body in front
of my house. Tell me where to look and I will.
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:45:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video 

Daryl joined us just after sending this... welcome!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From:	Daryl.442@netchannel.net
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video

   Hello fellow Oldsmobile enthusiasts,this is Daryl from Show & Strip
Productions.WE produced the 2 hour video covering Oldsmobile's 100 year
celebration from Lansing,Mi. Did anyone out there see the video and if
so,I'd like to here some of your comments.The only complaint so far is
that "my car was not in it!With over 2,000 cars in attendance,please
understand that it was impossible to include EVERY car in attendance.

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:21:25 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

Don Sowers wrote:

> M. Slocum wrote:
> >
> > Chrysler(sorry) seems to be making alot of $ on this retro-modern
> thing. Why
> > not come out with a supercharged 350 in a 'modern' 60's or 70's
> style cutlass?
> > Consumers are eager to pay big bucks for niche cars, why not a 442?
> Besides,
> > most manufactures plan to move back to rear wheel drive with at
> least part (if
> > not all) of their lineup.
> >
> > On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't
> somebody(besides above
> > mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?
>
> I would love to have a new 70-72 style 442 conv with today's advances
> in
> electrical and mechanical technology.  Wonder what a 455 built with
> today's technology and tied to a 6 spd trans would turn in the qtr AND
>
> get for mpgs?
>
> Don Sowers
> Nicholasville, Ky

   I saw a 442 at the fall show at Charlotte Motor Speedway 2 years ago
that ran a 6 speed tranny......I have no earthly idea how he ever got
the bellhousing to match up...it was a 1970 Torch Red 442 Hardtop
Coupe....the shifter sat in a really funky place though....to the left
of the hump...and really close to the drivers seat.....I bet he had fun
shifting it......the knob had yellow on it.....marking the
gears...so...I would guess it was outta a vette......kinda of a novel
idea though.....Hoagie

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:51:42 EST
From: Convcutl69 <Convcutl69@aol.com>
Subject: Painting kick panels

Boy what a nice find this sight was. Seems like somebody here has either been
there or done that.My question is...what are the options I have painting the
kick panels in my 69 S conv. H/O wannabe. Is there a paint from a
hardware,auto parts    
or the like,or is the best route buying some of the paint from a supply
catalog advertised for that purpose? I'm repainting kickpanels and armrest
plastic out of another colored car to the gold interior of mine. 
       For what its worth, I have rear side markers from two 69 and one 68 and
all have 68 on the lens.
       Also am parting out a 69 S conv., quite a few decent parts,doors are
good
deck lid, glass is decent, would never make a 1 or 2 car but, alot of misc
parts.
I'm in rockford,IL if anyones interested give me an E-mail, the csar is taking
up my wifes parking spot in the garage and she's hot for me to get rid of it!
                              Thanks,Mike W.
69 S conv. H/O wannabee (bought that way) turns alot of heads

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:12:02 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: testing don't read

testing the plain text option

this is a test of the emergency the testing how do you do?


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:22:12 EST
From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

Lloyd. assuming your looking at pre computer distributors,(with vacuum
advance)
up and down movement is o k.
side to side means you dont want it.
a good test is to turn the shaft while watching the air gap,(space between
reluctor
and pickup coil) if they vary it usually means the shaft is bent.
Wrencher43@aol.com
Mike

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:40:03 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Painting kick panels

- -----Original Message-----
From: Convcutl69 <Convcutl69@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 9:55 AM
Subject: Painting kick panels


>                              Thanks,Mike W.
>69 S conv. H/O wannabee (bought that way) turns alot of heads

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the list. Take a look at the Cutlass S conv. at my Website
listed below. Does it look anything like yours?

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:52:32 -0800
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: 61 OLDS PARTS

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:41:48 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Olds site, please visit

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/5972/index.html

This is my friend Brian's page. I made it for him. Please stop by. He
really wants to get involved like us. Drop him an e-mail and tell him
about your cars. It'd really be cool if we could all convice him to turn
it into a 1/4 mile screamer!

Thanx!
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:05:13 EST
From: Mr57olds <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 55 Olds Hard Starting

In a message dated 98-01-09 00:32:40 EST, you write:

<< The car starts when cold immediatly.  After car is at operating
temperature,
 it is very difficult to start. Must pump accelerator several times and crank
 extended time before car will re-start. New fuel pump, rebuilt carb.
 (Rochester 4 brl) timing, points, new fuel lines stood off all points of
 engine 1 1/2 inches to elim. vapor lock - Nothing seems to help. >>
I had a similiar problem with a '54.  It had very low compression and a lot of
blow by.  When I disassembled engine the top rings were broken and piston
grooves badly worn.  New pistons (IH345) and rings solved problem.  Check
compression and go from there.
Mr57olds

'54 olds
'57 olds
64 442 convert
98 Intrigue

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:03:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Painting kick panels

Any *good* body/paint/auto parts place can mix vinyl dye to your specs. 
There is a place here that I use that has the books back to the mid-60s 
for all manufacturers paint and trim codes, and they can match just about 
anything.

You clean and prep the parts very well and then spray the dye. Since the 
stuff comes in (I think) minimum 1-qt. sizes and since I don't have a 
compressor and spray gun, I buy these do-it-yourself aerosol things for 
small jobs like this. They have a glass bottle for the paint/dye and 
replaceable propellant cans with a spray tip. Works fine. If you take 
your time you should be very pleased with the end result. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:41:53 -0800
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Non-Olds PC Question

Sorry for the non-olds content, but do any of you PC people know about a
program which
can view disk images on the hard drive as opposed reading them to a floppy
as intended
and back again? 

I used "fake out" the system when I used the Macintosh with a program
called "Disk Copy"
that read files off the hard drive on to the desktop and made them look and
act like installation
floppies. 

Is there any such thing in the PC world? Best to reply privately to me a
cfair@fairisaac.com
with any thoughts.

Olds Content: I picked up a rear axle on 1/1/98 at PickAPart for $65 3.08
ratio, open, drum
to well worn drum. Just needed the rear end gears. What should it cost to
have those 3.08
gears put into my current differential?

happy new year
cf
Christian Fair

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:57:05 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

M. Slocum wrote:

> On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?

Yeah, they're gonna call it Mercury Cougar...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: 10 Jan 1998 15:33:50 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

OL>I was not impressed at first with them either, but they grow on ya...  I
Warts grow on ya too!  Give me some style other than Japanese blobs.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:39:31 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

LLoyd,

Up and down movement is normal. The shaft has to be able to have some
minor play for the dist. gear and cam gear to mesh. Side to side is a no-no
however.  I sent a used HEI to The Carb Shop for refirbishing and for less
than
$110. they rebuilt it / polished it and set it up for the total advance I
requested
based on spec's I provided them with.

Well worth the price compared to new units others offer.

I don't know how far you are from this company but either way the shipping
costs were  < $5 from Detroit to Calif. via UPS.

Good luck and as you've seen from the many responses already it's a conversion
that I also would strongly recommend to anyone still running points system
unless they are required for show..... even then I'd go with a Stinger or
other type of conversion system that replaces the points in a stock dist.
body.


Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:51:09 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Door Panels, hoodliner, ect for 77

Does anyone know of an aftermarket company that sells Door Panels, or 
hoodliners, seats, ect, for late model cutlass, in particular for a 
77 Cutlass Supreme.? TIA 

1977 Cutlass Supreme 350 4bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:46:15 EST
From: Oldsparts <Oldsparts@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  oldsmobile-digest V1 #1050

My digest #1050 was all garbled.  Would another list member please foward a
copy?

Thanks,
Steve

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 15:27:57 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Painting kick panels

Mike W,
Do you have any of the following on your parts car: rear bumper, taillight bezels, sport steering wheel, front disc brake setup, SS II wheels, chrome on decklid.
Please reply privately, thanks
Chris
chris@abcs.com

- ----------
>        Also am parting out a 69 S conv., quite a few decent parts,doors=
 are
> good
> deck lid, glass is decent, would never make a 1 or 2 car but, alot of =
misc
> parts.
> I'm in rockford,IL if anyones interested give me an E-mail, the csar =
is taking
> up my wifes parking spot in the garage and she's hot for me to get rid =
of it!
>                               Thanks,Mike W.
> 69 S conv. H/O wannabee (bought that way) turns alot of heads

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:25:05 -0500 (EST)
From: ted rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: 72 olds bumper

Would anyone on the list happen to have or know of someone that has a good
straight rust free front bumper for 72 cutlass. I'm in the upper part of
N.C.if you have one.

Ted Rollins
63 chevy truck
66 olds cutlass
72 olds cutlass
94 olds cutlass

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:25:37 -0600
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: TCI Streetfighter TH2004R

Anyone have any experience with the TCI-built TH2004R? I am trying to
find out if they cover all of the recommended updates, like the hardened
stator and support.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:37:13 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: PATTON

List,
	Is anyone watching American Movie Classic this afternoon ? If not, please
tune in....


				The General

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:53:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> M. Slocum wrote:
> > On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> > mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?
> 
> Yeah, they're gonna call it Mercury Cougar...

I watched the CNN show on Wednesday night from the Detroit auto show. The 
Cougar mentioned above looked a lot like a Mazda MX6 to me. Maybe that's 
unfair, I should wait to see it in the flesh. But that was my first 
impression.

They featured the Olds Alero early in the show. Jack Smith (GM Chairman)
talked about it as something to battle the Camry, Accord, etc. He also
mentioned that Olds has a tradition of doing well in the coupe market. 
Why they only showed the 4-door is a mystery then. The 4-door looked OK,
nothing too exciting but better than the Cutlass which IMHO has always
looked too tall for it's width or maybe too narrow for its length or
something like that. But I would guess that the 2-door would look only
slightly like the car we saw in Lansing which was an absolute knockout.
Hope I'm wrong. 

The retro-look that was mentioned is alive and well at Chrysler but I'm 
not sure I like their interpretation of it. Having read some of the 
Chrysler owner's horror stories on the net I'd be very nervous about 
buying one. I know their dealers here (and my experience bears this out) 
have a very bad rep for service and warranty issues.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:55:18 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass

Very Interested.  Let me know the condition
and what you think you might want for it.

Thanks Ken Swick 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:00:59 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Basic HEI Conversion Question

Now that I have decided to put HEI in my car, I have a very basic (and
probably stupid) question.  How do you get the old distributor out and what
is the tool of choice.

Unlike C**v engines I have done the distributor has quite a long shaft and
seems to end down near the transmission bellhousing.  I can't seem to see
down there and at the wrecker where I am hoping to get my distributor they
put the cars up on a couple of old wheels to make it easier to get
underneath but difficult to see down behind the distributor.

I have one of those bent "distributor" wrenches I have used on other GM's
is this the right one?


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:30:01 -0800
From: Brandon Rutschmann <cabruts@tscnet.com>
Subject: High Heater problems

To whoever can help me,
	I have a 71 cutlass supreme and I am desperately searching for my high
heater switch fuse and I cannot find it.  I know it is on the firewall.  I
do not know what side (engine or Passenger) and I do not know where
(middle, driver side or passenger side).  I also cannot find the relay I
have heard about from other people. Anyones help will be greatly appreciated.
	thank you!

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