
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, January 11 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1052



Re: Painting kick panels
(no subject)
(no subject)
Re: Non-Olds PC Question
Re: HEI Conversion
Re: Basic HEI Conversion Question
Re: High Heater problems
Will not Start plus product promo
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: 72 olds bumper
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: Will not Start plus product promo
driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
(no subject)
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Re: PATTON
Re: 55 Olds Hard Starting
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: re; hard starting '55 olds [one solution]
Re: Reo: 55 Olds Hard Starting
Rear Sway Bar
100 Years of Oldsmobile video
List member w/ RARE 4-4-2 Was Re: Non-Olds PC Question
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: UNBOUNCE: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video
92 SCX W-41 for sale
69 4-4-2 parts for sale
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE
Re: PATTON
Removal
Re[3]: A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: High Heater problems
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: 72 olds bumper
Re: 1966 Cutlass
Re: driver/passenger mirrors and my NEW custom radio installation
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: 69 4-4-2 parts for sale
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
WANTED:  '76/'77 S/442 body
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? specialty olds
Re: 69 4-4-2 parts for sale
Drum to Disc
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: Will not Start plus product promo
More about 69 mirrors
Moulding supplier - aftermarket
Re: Some more mechanical questions.
Water leaking in from cowl . . .
100 Years of Oldsmobile Video
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?
Re: Water leaking in from cowl . . .
Re: Non-Olds PC Question
69 non-remote mirrors
64 buick convertible
Quadrajet Questions
1969 hurstolds 
Re: 69 non-remote mirrors

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:35:55 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Painting kick panels

 wish you were closer sounds like cool car olds guy ga  jeff

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:36:52 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: (no subject)

subsribe oldsmoblile

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:38:38 -0500
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 18:56:12 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds PC Question

At 11:41 1/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Sorry for the non-olds content, but do any of you PC people know about a
>program which
>can view disk images on the hard drive as opposed reading them to a floppy
>as intended
>and back again? 
>
  Can you explain what your final intention is?  This isn't clear as to what
you are really trying to do.  Give me an example to work with so that I
understand what you want to do.  This would greatly help me to give you the
solution.  Explain in laymens terms...I will understand.

  Glenn
  '60 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:56:17 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

I have a HEI that I need rebuilt. Did you say that the 'Carb Shop' does this
and you were happy? 
Where are they?

Thanls
Peter
CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:18:21 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Basic HEI Conversion Question

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 6:02 PM
Subject: Basic HEI Conversion Question


>Now that I have decided to put HEI in my car, I have a very basic
(and
>probably stupid) question.  How do you get the old distributor out
and what
>is the tool of choice.

Lloyd,

If you reach down to the base of the distributor (on the driver's
side), you should be able to feel the head of a bolt (9/16", I
believe). It goes through a hold down that clamps onto the shoulder on
the dist. shaft. I was able to get at it with a socket and 6"
extension, but one of those bent wrenches is definitely a better tool.

You'll probably have to wrestle to get the dist. out after you remove
the clamp. I used a "pickle fork" that's used to remove ball joints. I
reefed up on it alternately from side to side, then wiggle it, pull on
it, reef some more, and wiggle and pull until you get it loose. There
is a socket on the end of the distributor shaft that fits over the oil
pump drive, It seems that this is where it tends to stick.

BTW, once I got the HEI in place, the socket and extension wouldn't
work anymore. I used an open end wrench to tighten it up. There wasn't
much room to work.

Good luck.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:15:53 EST
From: JCutlass <JCutlass@aol.com>
Subject: Re: High Heater problems

In a message dated 98-01-10 18:34:15 EST, you write:

<< 	I have a 71 cutlass supreme and I am desperately searching for my high
 heater switch fuse and I cannot find it.  I know it is on the firewall.  I
 do not know what side (engine or Passenger) and I do not know where
 (middle, driver side or passenger side).  I also cannot find the relay I
 have heard about from other people. Anyones help will be greatly appreciated.
  >>
Assuming your 71 is similar to my 68; fan blower relay is hi on the engine
side of firewall about opposite of the speedometer. Little silver box with 5
wires (a 2 wire and a 3 wire connector) coming out of the bottom. Trace the
power lead back towards the battery and you'll find an inline fuse. Spent much
time recently tracking similar problem. Let me know if I can help. My hi fan
problem was tracked back to the switch itself. Took it out, a little WD40,
woked it back and forth, bingo! works fine now. Also had a jumper wire fried
on me.
Tim in Oklahoma

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:56:23 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Will not Start plus product promo

Hey all!

Well it was all of 18 degrees today when I was wrenching on the car.

I used the Sears Engine Analyser today. Pretty nifty for about $50. You hook
up to the pos. battery terminal, a ground point (illustration shows alternator
housing), the neg coil terminal, and an amp lead and shunt (used only for
testing alternator output). The cables were long enough to allow me to prop
the main box right next to the windscreen with the leads hooked to the Pos
battery terminal and the alternator housing - very nice for days like today.
It can be used to read cranking voltage, cranking circuit voltage loss,
charging system voltage, coil voltage, breaker points resistance, points dwell
angle, dwell variation, temperature, relative humidity, atmospheric
pressure.....

Ooops, got carried away.

That's all for the comercial.

What this gadget told me was that the battery voltage, cranking voltage, and
points resistance were fine. Great. car still will not start. When I crank the
engine the meter reads 50-60 degrees dwell angle. As dwell angle specs are for
an idling engine, I need to know what the dwell angle is for properly adjusted
points when cranking the motor. 

Could I impose upon one or more of y'all to hook up a dwell meter and tell me
what it reads during cranking?

Tomorrow I intend to fiddle with the timing. I hope the weather will be
warmer.

Thanks again for past information and help, keep the ideas coming.

Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Member OCA, IVOC

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:10:32 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> M. Slocum wrote:
> 
> > On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> > mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?
> 
> Yeah, they're gonna call it Mercury Cougar...
> 
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible


I was at the North American International Auto Show today and saw the
Cutlass.  It sucks.  Just like the Cougar.  'Nuff said.

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:13:32 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 72 olds bumper

ted rollins wrote:
> 
> Would anyone on the list happen to have or know of someone that has a good
> straight rust free front bumper for 72 cutlass. I'm in the upper part of
> N.C.if you have one.
> 
> Ted Rollins
> 63 chevy truck
> 66 olds cutlass
> 72 olds cutlass
> 94 olds cutlass

Ted:

I've been looking for the same thing (rear bumper).  Contact Desert Dog
Auto Parts out west.  The gentleman there says he has plenty and won't
require you to send him a core.  I plan on getting mine from there soon.

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:24:11 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> > M. Slocum wrote:
> > > On a different note, what is this with 4 doors? Can't somebody(besides above
> > > mentioned) come out with a unique, affordable, sporty two door?
> >
> > Yeah, they're gonna call it Mercury Cougar...
> 
> I watched the CNN show on Wednesday night from the Detroit auto show. The
> Cougar mentioned above looked a lot like a Mazda MX6 to me. Maybe that's
> unfair, I should wait to see it in the flesh. But that was my first
> impression.
> 
> They featured the Olds Alero early in the show. Jack Smith (GM Chairman)
> talked about it as something to battle the Camry, Accord, etc. He also
> mentioned that Olds has a tradition of doing well in the coupe market.
> Why they only showed the 4-door is a mystery then. The 4-door looked OK,
> nothing too exciting but better than the Cutlass which IMHO has always
> looked too tall for it's width or maybe too narrow for its length or
> something like that. But I would guess that the 2-door would look only
> slightly like the car we saw in Lansing which was an absolute knockout.
> Hope I'm wrong.
> 
> The retro-look that was mentioned is alive and well at Chrysler but I'm
> not sure I like their interpretation of it. Having read some of the
> Chrysler owner's horror stories on the net I'd be very nervous about
> buying one. I know their dealers here (and my experience bears this out)
> have a very bad rep for service and warranty issues.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada


Greg made a good point about the Alero.  I saw the concept car last year
at the show and what was actually produced this year looks nothing like
it, unfortunately.  But that just goes to show that GM spends a ton of
money designing a concept vehicle that averyone drooles over but doesn't
have the family jewels to actually manufacture something really
cool-looking based on that concept design.  Okay, one exception, the
Aurora (spelling?).  By the way, how come I'm never given a survey on
what "the customer" is looking for in a car?  

Chrysler, on the other hand (and mind you I will NEVER buy another
Chrysler again) has big family jewels, will pull them out and put them
to use.  Proof? Their entire model line. 

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:44:20 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

In a message dated 98-01-10 04:01:43 EST, you write:

<< I would love to have a new 70-72 style 442 conv with today's advances in
 electrical and mechanical technology.  >>

I have often imagined a 69 442 style conv, scaled down version, (about the
size of those new chrysler convertibles) or newer cutlass convertibles or even
smaller, minimal styling changes, along with all the new stuff!! 

aaron

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:45:49 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Will not Start plus product promo

That is one nice gadget.  I believe that cranking dwell and running dwell
are identical.  Cut the dwell back to around 30'.  It should run then.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>
>Hey all!
>
>Well it was all of 18 degrees today when I was wrenching on the car.
>
>I used the Sears Engine Analyser today. Pretty nifty for about $50.  When I
crank the
>engine the meter reads 50-60 degrees dwell angle. As dwell angle specs are
for
>an idling engine, I need to know what the dwell angle is for properly
adjusted
>points when cranking the motor.
>
>Could I impose upon one or more of y'all to hook up a dwell meter and tell
me
>what it reads during cranking?

>
>Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:44:23 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

Has anyone found suitable mirrors to replace the drivers mirror so that they
could have both a drivers and passenger side mirror that look correct/good?  I
found aftermarket ones in an auto-part store but I think I'll pass, and I'd
really like to have old chrome ones.  Did Hurst Olds have them in 69?
Anywhere to find them?

aaron

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:53:28 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:19:26 EST
From: MRothe442 <MRothe442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

It's not as much a case of the chrome mirror itself, but the gaskets and the
mounting pad of the mirror.  The H/O and Cutlass both have flat-bottomed
mirrors.  The gasket was curved underneath to match the curved surface of the
top of the door.  This convex shape of the upper door panel pretty much
eliminates the 70-72 style mirrors, because of the angle of the base to the
head.  Even if you somehow could mill the bottom flat.  H/O mirrors ALMOST
look too large, but that's the way they were, and are as rare as hen's teeth.
Expensive if you can find them.  I think they made r & l standard chrome
mirrors for the '69s, but the right one is a little harder to find.  Talbot
makes mirrors (A/C cobra uses these, and I think some other sports cars) that
are similar to the H/O mirror's bullet-shape upper section with a 70-72 type
of base.  The Talbots  may look pretty good, once you figure out the mounting
dilemma.

Mike Rothe   

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:25:06 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

Jonathan Eaton wrote:

>     Oh beautiful.. my quote-unquote "Certified" Goodwrench Mechanic tells me
> it's not a rack and pinion system.

What?  Not rack and pinion?  Says right in the SPECS book, Power Rack
and Pinion steering.  Yep, he's certified, but at what?  Mr. Goodwrench
needs to go back to school...

>     The deal with the customer service.. What's the number?

The '98 catalogs have 1-800-442-OLDS on the inside, 1-800-255-OLDS on
the back cover.  The inside says "At Oldsmobile, we're committed to your
satisfaction long after the purchase of your vehicle."

> The Grande was
> one of 17 made by Oldsmobile for all the big wigs there in 1987. Out of that
> 17, there are 12 still in existence.. and mine is the only one with pigskin
> interior and the complete digital display...

Wow!  Only 17?  I knew they were rare, but I didn't know they were THAT
rare.  Most people don't even know what these are!  Is yours a coupe or
a sedan?  Don't ever sell it, unless you sell it to me.

> I was owned by someone before
> me, but sold it to my dad in October of 87 because he was too fat and the
> arm rest dug into his hip. The car has exactly 21,834km on a 3.8 Litre MEFI
> V-6 .. Do you think they'd pay for it?

Well, it is low mileage.  Hasn't had a lot of owners.  They do know they
have a problem with these racks.  Your an Aurora owner also, I'd let
them know that.  Like it says above, they're committed to your
satisfaction long after the purchase.  But the car is 11 years old.  Its
a tough call.  I think the nicer you are about the better change you
have of getting somewhere.  But you've got to be firm also.  What kind
of relationship do you have with the Service Manager at your local Olds
dealership?  Maybe it would be better to deal with them instead of going
directly to Olds Division.  Sometimes the dealers can self-authorize
repairs like this without contacting the factory.  Don't have anything
repaired until you talk to the dealer/Oldsmobile.  I work for a
Chevrolet dealer and we have a sister store that has Olds.  I'll call
over there on Monday and see what their policy on rack repairs.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:27:01 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: PATTON

Patton wrote:
> 
> List,
>         Is anyone watching American Movie Classic this afternoon ? If not, please
> tune in....
> 
>                                 The General

You mean that's you?  I always thought it was George C Scott.  And how
could you be sending email if you were on the TV?  Something's not right
here...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:40:44 EST
From: RPorter351 <RPorter351@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 55 Olds Hard Starting

Thanks for info regarding my 55 olds with hard starting problem.  I will do
compression immediatly and advise.  As he engine was rebuilt 2200 miles ago, I
HOPE this is not the problem.   

Thank You,  RPORTER351@AOL

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:41:41 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

loris wrote:

> Chrysler, on the other hand (and mind you I will NEVER buy another
> Chrysler again) has big family jewels, will pull them out and put them
> to use.  Proof? Their entire model line.

Amen to that.  I saw that fugly LHS on the CNN show the other night. 
They're the only company that has the nerve to put anything on the
street that ugly.  Looked like a catfish sucking a lemon.  The 300
wasn't that great looking eight.  Nor are the new Concordes and
Intrepids...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:57:11 EST
From: RPorter351 <RPorter351@aol.com>
Subject: Re: re; hard starting '55 olds [one solution]

Thanks for infor on electric F/P for hard to start 55 olds.  May try slight
pressure in fuel tank to simulate "pushing" versus sucking fuel as with the
stock F/P.   

Will advise, thanks, rporter351@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:03:06 EST
From: RPorter351 <RPorter351@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Reo: 55 Olds Hard Starting

Thanks for information on cooling coil on hard starting 55 olds problem.  I
have heat spy and will monitor temp of coil as warm up occurs.  

Will advise, Thank You, RPORTER351@AOL.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:35 -0600
From: Dominic Gomez <ngomez@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Rear Sway Bar

The front end should be getting fixed on my 1965 Ninety Eight in Dallas,
and hopefully I'll be able to drive it down to Austin soon. Hard to find
those lower ball joints, the parts store had them misboxed, the ones from
Kanter were too small. Glad to be nearing completion.

I've got a part time job (still in college)  at an auto parts store with
access to lots of parts books, so if anyone might need any help, let me
know. I don't mind looking parts up, just give me as much info as you can,
and I'll see what I can do.

The brake drums on my Ninety Eight are eventually going to wear down. Does
anyone know of some later model drums that will fit the front, and the
back. I'm trying to match some up in the books at work, but I'm not sure
what might work. I'd like to get some finned aluminum drums, these cast
iron jobs are so heavy and big, I imagine I could run on railroad tracks
with them.

I've seen a lot of rear sway bars for sale on the list. Do any other full
size Olds owners know what rear sway bar from a 442 would fit my 65 Ninety
Eight?

Well, thanks for any help, let me know if I can help you in anyway! Take
care...
Nick

1965 Olds Ninety Eight, 425 4bbl
1981 Honda Accord, 1.8L 3bbl (yep, three barrels)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:57:42 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video

>    Hello fellow Oldsmobile enthusiasts,this is Daryl from Show & Strip
> Productions.WE produced the 2 hour video covering Oldsmobile's 100 year
> celebration from Lansing,Mi.

Welcome Daryl...

 Did anyone out there see the video and if
> so,I'd like to here some of your comments.

'Fraid I haven't seen it (yet?)  :(

The only complaint so far is
> that "my car was not in it!With over 2,000 cars in attendance,please
> understand that it was impossible to include EVERY car in attendance.

Well, ya ~could~ make a twelve hour marathon of it...  Seems like MTV
does that crap all the time.  Imagine how great it would be to have
twelve hours of ~cool~ stuff for once!  ;)

Hmmm, maybe it's a good thing I ~didn't~ make it to Lansing this year. 
It'd have to be a fifteen hour video, with the extras devoted to my
cars, with the subtitle:  "What most of these cars ~used~ to look like"
or "what these cars will look like in ~another~ 100 years..."  --Man I
hate winter!  It's been 40 to 60 below wind chills here for the last two
days.  I spent the better (?!!?) part of yesterday outside in it,
installing satellite systems.  I can understand why people want the DSS
in the winter, but would it be too much to ask for them to ~buy~ them in
the summer!!!???  I think I froze the remaining half of my brain cells
out there!  (I'm sleeping in tomorrow....  Till midnight!)  On that
note, I'd best get gone.  Daryl, again, welcome to the list, it's great
to see some of the "higher-up's" signing on.  Now if we could just get
Car Craft and Hot Rod to come around.....



- -- 
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
		http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
		        Sidney Montana

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 22:04:57 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: List member w/ RARE 4-4-2 Was Re: Non-Olds PC Question

> At 11:41 1/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>   Glenn
>   '60 4-4-2
WOW!!!!!!!  a 1960 4-4-2, guess that means the 64 goat wasn't the first musclecar :-)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass S W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:10:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

> Amen to that.  I saw that fugly LHS on the CNN show the other night. 
> They're the only company that has the nerve to put anything on the
> street that ugly.

May I remind you of the early to mid-90's Chevy Caprices?  Blech!

8)
peg
'78 Cutlass Calais (Red Mine)
'86 Cutlass Supreme (Grey Mine)

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:25:32 EST
From: DByers4601 <DByers4601@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: 100 Years of Oldsmobile video

Daryl,

     I very much appreciated the video on the first 100 years.   As an
Oldsmobile employee here in Lansing, I could relate to much of the activity
from '69 on.

     Activity prior to then simply corroborated much of what we learned as
employees and continued our pride in our company.    I fear what GM is doing
to it !!

     The video about the convoy, some of the functions and the parade were
pretty good, but I think people would have preferred to see more of the cars.
That, after all, was what the whole celebration was about.

                                                                    David
Byers
                                                                    David_Byer
s@Bigfoot.com
                                                                    Small Car
Group - Purchasing
      (we build the Malibu, Cutlass, Grand Am, Alero, Cavalier, Sunfire,
Saturns and EV1's) 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 22:38:49 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: 92 SCX W-41 for sale

I went to a local car dealer here in Terre Haute, IN that has such a beast.  It is white w/red interior. p/w, p/l, cruise, that's all I can remember.  It also has 160,000 miles, but seemed to run fine when I test drove it.  The only thing mechanically is the tranny makes a sound when going into 3rd, almost like the clutch isn't fully engaged.  The guy said it may be a linkage problem or someone told him a sychronizer might be misaligned or something.  It's supposed to have a new head and head gasket also.  Interior wise the car is VERY worn.  A previous owner smoked in it as there are several marks in the interior.  The wiper switch doesn't work, the drivers window glass doesn't go up properly, the passenger door lock button fell into the door.  Also, the speedometer wasn't working at first, but the odometer was.  I finally got the speedo to work when I dumped the clutch at 4K and she torque steered to 7K when I shifted into 2nd, I was impressed for it being a four banger.  Exterior wise, there are several small dents on the driver side and the windshield was cracked.  The passenger door and fender have meet each other MANY times and the paint is cracked on part of the front bumper.  I also noticed sitting in the driver seat and looking over my shoulder out the door, door closed of course, that it looks like the door is bent or misaligned or something as I could see daylight between the door frame and the body in the upper corner.  He was asking $3995 and this price included fixing the windshield, door/fender, w/w stalk on the column and driver door window.  He said he would take less if I was willing to fix some items myself (he would order the parts or tell me where I could get them) or wait to fix some items.  He was a pretty easy person to negotiate with and seemed willing to make a deal on the car.  My impressions of this vehicle are it is pretty worn and the tranny noise into third concerns me, but the rareness I like, not to mention for a four banger it can get out of its own way.  But, I come from the no replacement for displacement mindset.  Oh , I noticed it also needs a set of tires and may need an exhaust system soon.  I'm thinking about it, but may end up getting an S-10 or S-15 as I need something that gets good mpg and can haul drywall, lumber, whirlpool tub, gravel etc and most importantly car parts.  If anyone is interested, let me know and I can get you a phone number.  Lastly, lets not start any fricking quad four flame wars over this please.

Chris (who is not happy about downgrading to a 4 or 6 cyl commuter vehicle but realizes it's in his best interests) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass S W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 23:00:55 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: 69 4-4-2 parts for sale

Hi all,
I'm parting out a 69 4-4-2 Holiday Coupe and here is what I currently have available from a 4-sp a/c car from Arizona with red interior:

new parts available that I've recently removed from the car
- -red dash pad - the only thing wrong with the pad is that it's dirty and may need to be redyed, there are no holes and cracks from the sun.  I guess if it were a bumper you could say an excellent core that only needs to be rechromed. The dash pad can include the three a/c ducts if desired.
- -interior chrome that goes on the roof - this is the chrome that goes over the sides of the headliner, or another way to think about it is, it runs the same way as the drip rail moldings but on the inside

parts previously removed
- -rear seat - both bottom and back
- -front sway bar, assuming stock size, haven't measured it
- -passenger kick panel - the driver side has the 'leg' broke off, so I'll sell you both for the price of one, both need repainting/redyeing
- -std instrument cluster - includes speedo, fuel gauge with idiot lights and filler plate for far right pod
- -p/s setup - includes column, box, hoses, pump w/2 groove pulley, ignition switch and key, ignition switch wiring etc
- -a/c setup on firewall - that's all I have and have no idea of the condition, so please don't ask for compressor, etc
- -passenger front bumper brackets

I have no use for these items, so make me an offer, as I'm not looking for a kings ransom and I'd like to see someone who can use these have them.  FYI, on the p/s and a/c items, all I know is the car was together, whole and running a couple years ago.

Thanks.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass S W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:59:50 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

loris wrote:

> Chrysler, on the other hand (and mind you I will NEVER buy another
> Chrysler again) has big family jewels, will pull them out and put them
> to use.  Proof? Their entire model line.

When you start at "rock bottom" what have you got to lose?
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:00:53 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: NEW CUTLASS BODY STYLE

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > Amen to that.  I saw that fugly LHS on the CNN show the other night.
> > They're the only company that has the nerve to put anything on the
> > street that ugly.
> 
> May I remind you of the early to mid-90's Chevy Caprices?  Blech!

Boats to tow your boat.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:04:01 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: PATTON

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Patton wrote:
> >
> > List,
> >         Is anyone watching American Movie Classic this afternoon ? If not, please
> > tune in....
> >
> >                                 The General
> 
> You mean that's you?  I always thought it was George C Scott.  And how
> could you be sending email if you were on the TV?  Something's not right
> here...

Naw, time delay mail.
- -- 
- - Jerry Christopher
- - HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
- - 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
- - Here we go Steelers!!!

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:23:46 -0500
From: "Road Runner Email" <nlamboy1@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Removal

unsubscribe oldsmobile nlamboy@global2000.net

I hope this finally work I been trying to get myself of for a couple of days
know.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:34:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re[3]: A-Body Disk Brakes

>     I think we are in violent agreement, though I apologize if my working 
 [snip]
>     As I noted originally, "...my understanding is that the early (four 
>     piston) _rotors_ can be used on the later (single piston) cars, but 
>     not the reverse."  Sorry if I wasn't completely clear.

No, you were clear, I wasn't... NOW I see what you actually said (in
contrast to what I thought you said). duh me...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:34:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: High Heater problems

>	I have a 71 cutlass supreme and I am desperately searching for my high
>heater switch fuse and I cannot find it.  I know it is on the firewall.  I
>do not know what side (engine or Passenger) and I do not know where
>(middle, driver side or passenger side).  I also cannot find the relay I
>have heard about from other people. Anyones help will be greatly appreciated.

That fuse is an inline fuse in the (+) lead that goes from the horn
relay/buzzer (+) stud on the driver's side fenderwell to the blower relay,
which should be mounted on the firewall, directly above your master cylinder
and/or power brake booster. Look at the fenderwell roughly between the
driver's side hood hinge and the master cylinder; you should see a black
wire that has a kind of "bulge" in it. The fuse is located within that
bulge. It's a very short 30A fuse. If you trash your old fuse holder trying
to twist it open (as I did), you can splice in an aftermarket 30A inline fuse.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:03:34 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

There is a mirror on the '69 Rambler Scramblers that appears to be the same
as the H/O mirrors.  These may be reproduced now.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


H/O mirrors ALMOST
>look too large, but that's the way they were, and are as rare as hen's
teeth.
>Expensive if you can find them.  I think they made r & l standard chrome
>mirrors for the '69s, but the right one is a little harder to find.  Talbot
>makes mirrors (A/C cobra uses these, and I think some other sports cars)
that
>are similar to the H/O mirror's bullet-shape upper section with a 70-72
type
>of base.  The Talbots  may look pretty good, once you figure out the
mounting
>dilemma.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:05:48 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: 72 olds bumper

Reply to message from loris@tir.com of Sat, 10 Jan
>
>ted rollins wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone on the list happen to have or know of someone that has a good
>> straight rust free front bumper for 72 cutlass. I'm in the upper part of
>> N.C.if you have one.
>> 
>> Ted Rollins
>> 63 chevy truck
>> 66 olds cutlass
>> 72 olds cutlass
>> 94 olds cutlass
>
>Ted:
>
>I've been looking for the same thing (rear bumper).  Contact Desert Dog
>Auto Parts out west.  The gentleman there says he has plenty and won't
>require you to send him a core.  I plan on getting mine from there soon.
>
>-Loris
>1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
>1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible
>
>

what are the prices on these?, I may have a front and back bumper for sale
(if there still in *good* shape) i'll take a look when i tow the
replacement frame home later today.
- -josh

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  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......   ISRT@hotmail.com      \/////////
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:33:11 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: 1966 Cutlass

Mike :

Sent e-mail for antenna, rear mats, 
attachment piece steering column to dash etc 

Do you also have drivers side mirror, drivers door handle,
maybe entire door ... I think all coupe / convertible doors 
are the same 

How about auto transmission ...   Thanks Ken Swick
				717 528 4718

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:24:59 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors and my NEW custom radio installation

In a message dated 98-01-10 22:28:27 EST, you write:

<< I think they made r & l standard chrome
 mirrors for the '69s, but the right one is a little harder to find.   >>

thanks mike,

i'll check the junkyards, been having fun there lately :)

picked up a radio and face plate for my 69 $20 and two lighter assemblies $5
each

Took the knobs from the radio

Went to a car stereo place to see if they had plastic to make a face plate for
my  stereo (to install within the chrome frame/boreder on the original
faceplate) $20!!

Said thank you, but no - went to Walmart and bought a black plastic folder
$.97 or something like that

Used the face plate I got from the junkyard to cut a new face plate insert
(1/2 hour or so) - used the face plate that came with my stereo to cut the
opening, and cut the original large round cutouts for the bass/treble and
front/rear chrome rings.  Then, instead of installing those chrome rings, I
took the chrome lighter housings and used them to hold my new face plate onto
the old face plate and fill those large round holes.  A washer around the
radio post large enough to hold the chrome lighter housing to the face plate,
tightened with the nut.  Put my bass/treble, etc. knobs on (they are small and
black), and then put the original OLDS knobs on my radio and I think it looks
cool :)

Better than it did anyway 

Went to Year One, made it out alive

aaron

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:17:04 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

AARONLIFE wrote:
> 
> Has anyone found suitable mirrors to replace the drivers mirror so that they
> could have both a drivers and passenger side mirror that look correct/good?  I
> found aftermarket ones in an auto-part store but I think I'll pass, and I'd
> really like to have old chrome ones.  Did Hurst Olds have them in 69?
> Anywhere to find them?

How about for 68 442s?  Is there a two outside mirror setup combination
that can work?

BTW, I tried to get the mirror off of my 68 yesterday and was unable to
unscrew the bolt off with an allen wrench.  If I have to drill these
pups out, can I get replacement bolts?


Chris

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:19:20 EST
From: MRothe442 <MRothe442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

Bill, you are exactly right.  I just didn't think all this information was
pertinent to the question that was asked.  For info, the mirrors on the
SC/Ramblers were the EXACT same mirrors, which only stands to reason because
Hurst was involved with that project too.  The base gasket was flat on the
bottom, vice curved like the H/O, but that was the only difference.  And the
mirrors are being reproduced, though not exact, by a SC/Rambler guy named Mike
Lewis in Nashville, TN.  In fact, he's the ONLY one I know that makes the
mirrors.  They're not cheap from him either.  The Rambler folks have the same
dilemma when trying to replace the mirrors just like H/O owners.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 08:25:47 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 parts for sale

chris smetana wrote:
> 
> -interior chrome that goes on the roof.

I have something like this on my 68 442 (spare one).  Is it rare because
all I have
ever seen were those rubberized ones.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:10:12 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

>Has anyone found suitable mirrors to replace the drivers mirror so that they
>could have both a drivers and passenger side mirror that look correct/good?  I
>found aftermarket ones in an auto-part store but I think I'll pass, and I'd
>really like to have old chrome ones.  Did Hurst Olds have them in 69?
>Anywhere to find them?
>
>aaron

I have been looking for these as well, I only have the driver's side mirror
which was rechromed before I got it but is so loose that when you drive
doewn the freeway it turns.

I was speaking to the guy at Specialty Olds just before Christmas and he
says he has been waiting for some time to get the reproduction of the
"clam-shell" mirror for the passenger's side.  The supplier has prommised
it and he hopes to have them soon.  I am supposed to keep checking back
with him which I think I will do on Monday.

I was at the Olds Club on Wedneday talking about this same subject.  One of
the guys there said that "sports mirrors" (the ones painted the same as the
body color) are also correct for this car although I have never seen them.



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:35:25 -0800
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: WANTED:  '76/'77 S/442 body

Hey, Fellow Oldsmobilians,

I'm searching for a '76/'77 2 door S/442 body. MUST BE RUSTFREE....as I
live in Michigan, there is no such thing. My parents are wintering in
Souther California with their motorhome and we are willing to trailer it
back here.  Mechanical condition is of zero concern to me, nor is the front
end.....basically, we need a bodyshell that we can either swap or dissect
rustfree parts from.  As this car has been in Michigan its entire life
(although stored and not driven since 1988), the quarter panels,
floorboards, etc. are cancer-stricken.

This car has utmost value to my brothers and me, and we wish to restore
this car to its former glory days when the 462 monster was a street demon
in these parts....if anyone has knowledge of such a parts car in Souther
California, Arizona, New Mexico, or Northern Texas, please reply privately.

Much thanks for your help,


Michael A. Evans
evans1@net-link.net
Richland, MI

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:52:02 EST
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? specialty olds

In a message dated 98-01-11 11:40:36 EST, you write:

<< The supplier has prommised
 it and he hopes to have them soon.  I am supposed to keep checking back
 with him which I think I will do on Monday. >>

GREAT! Keep me posted!

aaron

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:48:58 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 parts for sale

> > -interior chrome that goes on the roof.
> 
> I have something like this on my 68 442 (spare one).  Is it rare because
> all I have
> ever seen were those rubberized ones.

Chris, I think Chris S. was referring to the metal H/T roof rail
weatherstrip retaining channels if I read that post correctly.  Those
chrome headliner retainers you are referring to are rare like you said,
but I've personally never seen a '69 have them, or any reference to it
in the '69 service/body manuals, but, that doesn't mean that they didn't
exist in '69.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:00:04 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Drum to Disc

Not totally satisfied with the braking on my '64 Olds Dynamic 88, and want
to consider switching out the drum brakes and going to disc.  What are your
suggestions?  Is it worth doing?  How much dinero?

Thanks,

G
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(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

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if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:05:43 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

mrada wrote:
> 
> AARONLIFE wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone found suitable mirrors to replace the drivers mirror so that they
> > could have both a drivers and passenger side mirror that look correct/good?  I
> > found aftermarket ones in an auto-part store but I think I'll pass, and I'd
> > really like to have old chrome ones.  Did Hurst Olds have them in 69?
> > Anywhere to find them?
> 
> How about for 68 442s?  Is there a two outside mirror setup combination
> that can work?
> 
> BTW, I tried to get the mirror off of my 68 yesterday and was unable to
> unscrew the bolt off with an allen wrench.  If I have to drill these
> pups out, can I get replacement bolts?
> 
Anything that works on a 69 (one that has vent windows) should work with
the 68s.  That's the question I'm not sure how to answer, as far as how
far the vent window opens, and would it crash into the mirror. 
Obviously, that's not a problem with your present mirror.

The allen screws would be easy to replace, at any machine shop or
fastener distributor.  However, what about the mirror itself.  Try not
to damage it with a runaway drill.  One option, is to carefully spray
penetrating fluid on the screws.  Hopefully, it will loosen them up
enough to get them out. 

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:20:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, mrada wrote:
> How about for 68 442s?  Is there a two outside mirror setup combination
> that can work?
> 
> BTW, I tried to get the mirror off of my 68 yesterday and was unable to
> unscrew the bolt off with an allen wrench.  If I have to drill these
> pups out, can I get replacement bolts?

IMHO the standard (non-remote) chrome mirrors on the '68s look great. The 
elliptical shape is almost like an early style sports mirror to me. I got 
an NOS right side one here last spring and still haven't installed it for 
whatever reason, but intend to this year. When you're trying to remove 
these mirrors with an allen wrench, remember that you have to loosen them 
by turning the studs *clockwise*, the opposite of what you might expect.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:15:16 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

One of
> the guys there said that "sports mirrors" (the ones painted the same as the
> body color) are also correct for this car although I have never seen them.

If he were talking about 70 and on, obviously he's correct.  But in 69,
they didn't have body colored "sport mirrors".  The only "sport mirror"
was on the H/O, and it wasn't manufactured by GM.  The factory either
used the remote or non-remote chrome oval mirror for 69.  Unless it was
a factory custom show car mirror or something.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:23:40 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Will not Start plus product promo

Should be the  same when cranking.

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Will not Start plus product promo
> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 8:56 PM
As dwell angle specs are for
> an idling engine, I need to know what the dwell angle is for properly
adjusted
> points when cranking the motor. 
> 
> Could I impose upon one or more of y'all to hook up a dwell meter and
tell me
> what it reads during cranking?
> 
> Tomorrow I intend to fiddle with the timing. I hope the weather will be
> warmer.
> 
> Thanks again for past information and help, keep the ideas coming.
> 
> Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
> 1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
> Member OCA, IVOC
> 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:16 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: More about 69 mirrors

Mike....more about mirrors.  Did the 69 442 come with an optional
passanger side mirror to match the chrome remote drivers side mirror. 
Who supplies new remote LH and optional RH side mirrors if available. 
Thanks.  Wayne Schwartz

MROTHE wrote:
> 
> One of
> > the guys there said that "sports mirrors" (the ones painted the same as the
> > body color) are also correct for this car although I have never seen them.
> 
> If he were talking about 70 and on, obviously he's correct.  But in 69,
> they didn't have body colored "sport mirrors".  The only "sport mirror"
> was on the H/O, and it wasn't manufactured by GM.  The factory either
> used the remote or non-remote chrome oval mirror for 69.  Unless it was
> a factory custom show car mirror or something.
> 
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:50:10 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Moulding supplier - aftermarket

Any of you out there know of an aftermarket moulding supplier?  I'm
looking for new body side mouldings and fender well mouldings for a 1970
Cutlass  'S' hardtop.  Seems like granny crushed a few of them (they're
beyond repair) on her weekly trips to the grocery store.  Your help is,
as always, appreciated.

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:47:43 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Some more mechanical questions.

Want a quick reference, check the blue book value of it online, go to 
http://www.classified2000.com and then go under the automotive area, 
can enter car year, make, miles, options, ect, even vin # to find out 
accidents and so on, and will give you a generalized price for it. 
Hope this helps.
> 
> > I was owned by someone before
> > me, but sold it to my dad in October of 87 because he was too fat and the
> > arm rest dug into his hip. The car has exactly 21,834km on a 3.8 Litre MEFI
> > V-6 .. Do you think they'd pay for it?
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:09:59 -0500
From: loris <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Water leaking in from cowl . . .

A week or so ago there was some correspondence on the list discussing
the entry point of water from the cowl area of a Cutlass into the
passenger compartment (under the carpeting).  I had the same problem. 
Someone responded pointing out that the culprit might be that the water
(not coolant) may be entering around the heater core area.  I have a
different angle to this.  Two days ago I removed the 5" x 4 ft (?)
chrome trim that covers the bottom of the windsheild - has the cutouts
that allow it to fit around the windsheild wiper shafts.  Alas, I found
that rust has eaten away at the cowl area creating numerous cracks in it
allowing water to enter into the passenger compartment. I removed the
loose and rusted material and patched all the cracks with clear silicon
and poured water on the windsheild to see if it managed to make itself
into the passenger compartment again.  Guess what?  Problem solved.

- -Loris
1968 Cutlass 'S' convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:16:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Daryl.442@netchannel.net
Subject: 100 Years of Oldsmobile Video

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:39:30 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

The Rambler SCRAMBLER  did in fact have the same mirrors as the
69 Hurst Olds. I read somewhere that these were actually made and imported
from England. I doubt that the Ramblers were mfg. in any greater numbers
then the H/O in this year and would suspect that you'll be paying a kings
ranson
for either if someone was to repo them. I have yet to see anyone repo-ing
these
mirrors. I have seen originals listed for $1000.00 / pr.

Personally I'd rather spend the money on speed equipment since it's not
an original H/O.

My $.02 

Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:41:49 -0500
From: "Laurence S. Simpson, D.D.S." <laurencesimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?

The 69 Hurst/Olds has special "English" (Talbot?) mirrors which today an
excellent used pair could go as high as $1000.  These same mirrors with
slightly different stems were used on the AMC Rambler/Scrambler (Hurst).

Laurence Simpson, DDS
69 H/O
79 H/O
88 H/O

- -----Original Message-----
From: AARONLIFE <AARONLIFE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 9:56 PM
Subject: driver/passenger mirrors for 69 442? anyone done this?


>
>Has anyone found suitable mirrors to replace the drivers mirror so that
they
>could have both a drivers and passenger side mirror that look correct/good?
I
>found aftermarket ones in an auto-part store but I think I'll pass, and I'd
>really like to have old chrome ones.  Did Hurst Olds have them in 69?
>Anywhere to find them?
>
>aaron
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:05:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Water leaking in from cowl . . .

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, loris wrote:
> A week or so ago there was some correspondence on the list discussing
> the entry point of water from the cowl area of a Cutlass into the
> passenger compartment (under the carpeting).  I had the same problem. 
> Someone responded pointing out that the culprit might be that the water
> (not coolant) may be entering around the heater core area. 

That was probably me, but it wasn't a Cutlass, it was my Delta. They're 
different in that they don't have that chrome piece you removed. Probably 
because GM discovered that water gets trapped there and eats away at the 
cowl. :o  On the full-sizers everything is visible. My leak definitely is 
heater box related. 

Retightened my hose clamps today... topped up the coolant again too since
I discovered a new leak in the area of the lower rad hose this time. Every
clamp (all reasonably new) had some slack. This is getting old in a hurry. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:01:59 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds PC Question

> At 11:41 1/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Sorry for the non-olds content, but do any of you PC people know about a
> >program which
> >can view disk images on the hard drive as opposed reading them to a floppy
> >as intended
> >and back again? 
> >
I am afraid I don't understand the question...Do you mean Disk Image 
program that takes a program and makes disks for you to install them??

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:26:22 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 69 non-remote mirrors

Following this thread brings up a question. Both the driver and
passenger side chrome mirrors are loose and move out of adjustment
everytime a door is closed. How can they be tightened up? Is there an
adjustment on the inside, or are they just worn out?

Mick Gillespie (who can't see what's coming up beside me)
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:11:40 -0800
From: "ROOSEVELT  MORRIS" <sweetroose@istal.com>
Subject: 64 buick convertible

64' Buick Skylark convertible for sale. Red with white top. Top is in good
working condition. Original 300 engine with Eldelbrock carb. Buick wheels.
Asking 6,500. Interested call (850) 575-4653 after 6:00 pm eastern time.
Ask for Luke.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:53:36 +0000
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Quadrajet Questions

I looked at the casting number on my QJ today. The number is 7042250.
This means it's from a '72! Now I'll never know if I have an L-34 or
L-35! Then there's a number below that that says 0392. I'm guessing this
means March 9, 72?

Also, does anybody know where I can get my hands on a Rochester
QUADRAjET logo, perhaps as an image file. I'd like to do something with
it and that invloves having it on the computer.
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:10:48 -0500
From: "edward kristy" <HURSTOLDS@prodigy.net>
Subject: 1969 hurstolds 

I  NEED  HELP ! ! !   I  AM  TRYING  TO  RESTORE  A  69  HURSTOLDS  THAT  I
  BOUGHT  FROM  A  GUY  WHO  WAS  SELLING  THE  PARTS  .  I  ALREADY  FOUND
 SEATS,  SHIFTER,  RIMS  AND  WINDOWS  .  NOW  ALL  I  NEED  IS  THE  HOOD 
AND  2  H/O  EMBLEMS.  IF  ANYONE  CAN  HELP  ME  FIND  ANY  OF  THESE 
PARTS  PLEASE  CONTACT  ME  AT   HURSTOLDS@prodigy.net    

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:15:54 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: 69 non-remote mirrors

>Following this thread brings up a question. Both the driver and
>passenger side chrome mirrors are loose and move out of adjustment
>everytime a door is closed. How can they be tightened up? Is there an
>adjustment on the inside, or are they just worn out?
>
>Mick Gillespie (who can't see what's coming up beside me)
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>OCA# 29770
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

There is a ball on the support which is supposed to ride in a socket on the
head.  There is also a spring piece with a hole which goes between two
studs cast into the head.  This spring is supposed to supply tension by
pulling the head's socket up against the ball.  On mine the socket is worn
and corroded.  Before I had it re-mirroed I tigthened it up by bending the
spring a little by hitting it with the pointed end of a body hammer.  It
worked for about a week and if I want to try it again I will have to break
and replace the $15 glass again.  In short it is just worn out.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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