
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, January 28 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1076



Re: ADVISE
Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit
Re: ADVISE
Re: gas tank tube
Re: Buying parts from private parties
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Re: Buying parts from private parties
Re: Buying parts from private parties
Where are all those pics
Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit
1964 Jetstar 1 for sale
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: Underpowered!?!
Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: Buying parts from private parties
UNBOUNCE: 455 Roller Cams
UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
UNBOUNCE: 1964 Jetstar 1 for sale
Framed H/O Ad For Sale (01/28)
FYI: 1974 Oldsmobile Option Codes (long)
Re: engine paint, a car, my truck
Re: ADVISE
Repro W/Z manifolds- about time! (was "FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro")
Re: Wtd: 4spoke Rallye St. Wheel
Re: ADVISE
1983 cutlass
Lights?
Re: ADVISE
Re: 3 speed lightning rods
Re: Buying parts from private parties
Solvents
Re: ADVISE
Re: WI Junkyards
Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
Re: Pics
Re: gas tank tube
Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
Rocket Science
Turbo Regal URL
Exhaust crossover as an H pipe?
Re: engine paint, a car, my truck
Re: Where are all those pics
70 W-30 conv
Re: Olds "in the movies" list
Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:17:43 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

> I'm guessing, but the F on the heads just indicates the year.  

In a way it does.  F heads only came on the 1970 W-30.  Just look at the
progression of the letter designators on the big-inch Olds heads, and
you'll see what I mean. 

The F on the front of the block means it's a 455.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:19:07 -0500
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit

todd thomas wrote:
> 
> Hi evryone, I would like to know if anybody out there knows where I can
> get a stencil kit for a 70-72 W30's at.    Thanks alot .   Todd Thomas
> Clarendon,PA


Try Stencils and Stripes.  Whole kit.  Don't remember how much though. 
Ad is always in Hemming's.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:21:55 +0000
From: "M. Slocum" <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

Could I please get the catalog info on this vendor and any others you would
suggest? Thanks!

Mike Slocum/Proud to have driven my Dad's Oldsmobile
72 Olds Cutlass Supreme Cnvrt(not running)


Ray wrote:

> If you are not familiar with Mondello (Olds Performance parts and experts)
> let me know and I'll get the address/phone number and catalog info.  They
> have anything you can need for an Olds, but at the price of exotica of
> course.
> I'm guessing, but the F on the heads just indicates the year.  With that
> you know the combustion chamber size, etc. with a reference, ie. Mondello
> catalog.  I definitely recommend checking out Mondello at least for ideas
> of what components work well together for the performance you desire.
>
> Oh and as far as hybrid vehicles, I'd say an Olds powered Chevy is better
> than a Chevy powered Olds!
>
> Ray finally driving the 409 Rocket again Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:31:42 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: gas tank tube

In a message dated 98-01-27 18:17:37 EST, you write:

<< I e-mailed this question a couple of days ago and got no replys so I'm
 thinking that maybe it didn't go through.  So here it goes again, does anyone
 know how to replace the gas tank filler tube on a 72 Cutlass S.  Mine is
 damaged and needs replacement if possible.  I hate to have to replace the
 entire gas tank.
 Thanks in advance for any info that will help me resolve this problem.
 
 Eddie
 72 Cutlass S   conv / 4spd >>

Yes, I know what you must do.  The filler tube is soldered on the tank.  I
suggest taking the tank to a professional.  You must remove the tank and empty
all the fuel
out of the tank.  Then you need the tank wash out completely.  I mean
completely,
gas is much more flammable as a vapor than as a liquid.

I am no way encouraging one to do their own tank.  Take it to a professional
unless you really know what your are doing.  This is to protect me and you
from blowing yourself up.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:36:18 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

In a message dated 98-01-27 21:13:48 EST, you write:

<< I have been in discussion with a fellow list member about
 my purchase of some not-so-inexpensive parts (approaching
 $200).  I am concerned about sending money until I see 
 that they are in undamaged condition, and he wants to 
 get my money before sending them.  This creates a 
 dilemma.  I was wondering if anybody had a good suggestion
 on how to resolve this impasse.  It is extremely probable
 that he is a totally trustworthy gentleman, but I guess
 I have heard too many horror stories.
 
 Brett Chaveriat
 mailto:brett@mcs.com
 
  >>
If you are buying from DocBob, I will recommend him. The best thing to do is
to ask the list and have them reply in private with dealings with other list
people.  So I am recommending Bob if that is whom you are talking about.  He
has quality parts and is really easy to deal with.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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[[First off, I have in the stash a fine old Mallory dual-point distributor. No
vacuum advance, only speed advance. Since MSD instructions say NOT to use that
with dp dist's... is there any use for such a beast? Remove one set, use it as
sp with the MSD [can't fit HEI dist'r with 3x2 intake!]. Any use at all?
Marine? These used to be quite the rage I guess. More dwell w/o burning out the
points... ]]

First, I need a vertex magneto for 60 to 63 394.  I'm sure these are pretty
scarce by now.

Also, does anyone know of, or have info on, a complete rear end swap for 50
olds.  I cant find any of my old books on this and its been a long while since
doing this. The easiest if I  recall, would be an early Pontiac.
Mike M.
Wrencher43@aol.com
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[[ Mike, try Dick Bybee in Mesa [Phoenix] AZ- 602-984-4442... he is a collector
of pre-'64 speed stuffs. Tell him I sent ya. He's allright.]]
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:05:49 -0600
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

Brett Chaveriat wrote:
> 
> I have been in discussion with a fellow list member about
> my purchase of some not-so-inexpensive parts (approaching
> $200).  I am concerned about sending money until I see
> that they are in undamaged condition, and he wants to
> get my money before sending them.  This creates a
> dilemma.  I was wondering if anybody had a good suggestion
> on how to resolve this impasse.  It is extremely probable
> that he is a totally trustworthy gentleman, but I guess
> I have heard too many horror stories.

Well, I've been on both ends of this, having both bought and sold parts.
The only time I got burnt was on about $30 worth of parts I sent to a
guy in Canada. Otherwise, I've had no problems. I'd say that you really
don't have too much to worry about.

JR

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:08:13 EST
From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

First thing is I would never buy anything without seeing it so tell him to
send you a picture.  The second is post date the check until after you will
have recieved the products then if there is a problem you still have time to
cancel the check.  Third tell him to send it c.o.d if you like it pay for it
if not send it back.  Maybe these will work who knows

Mike

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:09:04 EST
From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Where are all those pics

Come on guys I know there are more photos send them to me please

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:27:59 EST
From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit

In a message dated 98-01-28 01:02:47 EST, you write:

<< Try Stencils and Stripes.  Whole kit.  Don't remember how much though. 
 Ad is always in Hemming's.
 
 Mike Rothe
  >>
 I found the kit from S&S was crappy.  I ended up using part of it and using
fine line tape.  The hood stripes were wrong.  At the rear of the hood, they
had the 
lines straight.  On Chevelles thats correct, on Oldsmobiles they follow the
curve of the rear of the hood.  The stencil was also too short.  Try some else
or do what I did.
I took magazines and blew up pic to see the stripes better than used fine line
tape.

I also had to use the fine line around my fender and rear quarter wells. 

W MACHINES

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:46:12 -0800
From: JON <Grimm@pacbell.net>
Subject: 1964 Jetstar 1 for sale

I used to be an OCA Member, and due to a complete lifestyle change, I've
got to sell my baby. I've sent the Starfire Chapter and the Southern
California Chapter a very detailed letter and photos of the car.  It is
a white coupe, with basic equipment on it. It does not have A/C or Power 
windows. The engine was professionally remanufactured by a reputable
machine shop when I worked there. It has been blueprinted and balanced,
and the only change from the Factory was the 9:1 pistons for
driveability. There is never any spark knock. The front suspension was
rebuilt except for lower control arm bushings, which are in the trunk
along with an extra carb that was professionally rebuilt, and lots of
other parts. There are new springs in the rear and new shocks all the
way around. I've gone back to College full time and I'm only working
part time. It upsets me to see the car starting to deteriorate after all
of the love and money I've put in her. The transmission was resealed
when the engine was done, the radiator recored and so on. It's very
reliable as a driver, but needs to have the body and chrome done along
with redoing the interior.  I've got close to $5000. in the car, but
I'll take an offer around $2000.00.  I've got back taxes to pay off and
other expenses to take care of. I just want to see the car go to someone
who could give her a good home. Thank you. Jon Lenard-El
Cajon,Ca-619-561-3492-e-mail - Grimm@pacbell.net. Please help.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:30:59 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

Wasn't that a cutlass in Total Recall??  The underground rocket?
	It's been so lond I don't remember. heh.
							Gerald Hughes


Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> I know this Olds movie horse has been beaten to death over and over, but
> I just couldn't help sighting the gray '67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> Woody Harrelson drives in White Men Can't Jump. Why does he always get
> to drive Olds'? He had a 442 in Kingpin, too! He must like 'em, or
> request 'em, or it might just be a quinky-dink.
> 
> I want to start a list of Oldses to appear in movies and throw them on a
> web page,
> 
> I have these so far:
> 
> White Men Can't Jump
> Kingpin
> A Christmas Story
> Howard Stern's Private Parts (i think, can anybody confirm this? I
> remember that it drove by in the background while a car was stopped
> somewhere)
> Dazed and Confused
> 
> I'm sure most of you can add more!!!!
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:46:34 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Underpowered!?!

Nj,
	old, and underpowered.  You should either keep the 307 and rebuild it
with the most bang you can get, (I.E. Use the 84 Hurst/Olds motor specs
VIN 9)	

	OR

	Get yourself some real balls with a 350.

	I don't know what your plans are, but have fun with it!

									Gerald Hughes
NjOlds wrote:
> 
>     Hello Olds lovers out there.  I need help!  I have an ' 87 Olds Cutlass
> Supreme with the 307 c.i. " Y " engine, the Olds engine.  It has a little over
> 97k miles on it and recently I put an Accel cap, rotor, 8.8 mm wires, and
> Accel plugs.  It has a little more Kick but now it hesitates from the start.
> I'm wondering if it is the distributor module, should I change that also?  Can
> anyone help me out w/my problem.  And can anyone tell me if there are any
> after market parts out there for my Olds. engine such as high perf. heads,
> headers,and so on.  Thanx in advance for anyones help.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:04:37 -0500
From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@hughesconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: Pulling a motor and tranny at the same time

Bill,
	Just last week I pulled the motor only out of my 1979 Hurst/Olds, so i
hereby declare myself qualified to answer this.

	I removed all of the bolt on items, the radiator, front header panel w/
headlights (the whole unit comes off in one piece with about 8 nuts on
bolts that are welded to the header. ( I would recommend this even if
you THINK you can get it out, only because when your lifting that motor
up, you don't want it to hit it and scratch the paint...plus it makes it
alot easier to get inside the car once the engine is out.

	Also,  Here is the difficulty I had.  While I was trying to pull the
motor up and out, the tourque converter was stuck on the input shaft of
the trans.  I had to do some heavy shakin', jackin', and rollin' to get
that f***ing this out.

	So, in conclusion, I noticed that if I would have taken the crossmember
out from under the trans the trans would have fallen right the bleep out
onto the ground.  So, what I recommend, and it's also going to be the
easiest way, is to take both the trans and the engine out at the same
time.  Just make sure that you have EVERYTHING disconnected so that that
baby just pops right out.

	P.S.  A GREAT LIFESAVER is to have little clear plastic butter dishes
and a black permanent marker to keep your bolts and nuts together in
groups of where they go.  YOU WILL THANK ME WHEN YOU GO TO PUT IT
TOGETHER!!!  TRUST ME I DID IT THE HARD WAY!


	Don't forget to take the hood off the car too.

								Gerald Hughes
deirdre. reilly wrote:
> 
> I have a tech. question for all of you:
> 
> Has anyone ever pulled both their engine and tranny out at the same time??
> Specifically on a G-body Cutlass.  Charley B, how 'bout you?
> 
> Would it be easier to do both at the same time?  Are there clearance
> problems I should be aware of?  Does the front end need to be off to do
> this?  Does the car need to be raised to tilt out the tranny?
> 
> I've never undertaken something this monumental before, so please excuse my
> inexperience. As a novice would I be better off doing each separately?
> Any information that could be offered would be more than welcome.
> 
> I'm not tackling this yet but want to be well prepared for when I do.
> Hopefully this will get done during the month of February, if everything
> works out.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:10:59 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

> >
> > I want to start a list of Oldses to appear in movies and throw them on a
> > web page,
> >
> > I have these so far:
> >
> > White Men Can't Jump
> > Kingpin
> > A Christmas Story
> > Howard Stern's Private Parts (i think, can anybody confirm this? I
> > remember that it drove by in the background while a car was stopped
> > somewhere)
> > Dazed and Confused

What about in Lethal Weapon?  Near(er) the end, the blonde guy (Gary
Busey) goes speeding away in a dark maroon '77-'79 Delta 88.  He really
lets 'er wind out, too...

I think there was one in Milk Money, too...that pale blue car she drives
all of the boys home in.  
For all of the Eddie Murphy fans out there, check out Beverly Hills Cop
II.  He drives a sweet Cutlass convertible, I'm guessing '70-'71.  Not
sure if it's a 4-4-2 or not...

- -- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:28:05 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

M&D Gillespie wrote:

> >recall, there was a movie a little while back that starred Henry "the
> >Fonz" Winkler and Miriam D'Abo that had a customized, red, '69 442
> >convertible in it.  Obviously, the movie wasn't a great one, but the
> car
> >sure was.  For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the
> >movie.....any ideas?
> >
> >Mike Rothe
> 
> National Lampoon's Dads Week Off, if the actress is named Olivia
> D'abo. It was a 1997 TV movie.

I always thought it was Beverly D'Angelo...

- -- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:01:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

I've bought a bunch of stuff from folks here, and sold a few items too. 
Never had a problem. While it's always possible that they could be 
someone who is determined to rip you off, if they've been here for a 
while it's likely that they're reputable. Unfortunately there's no easy 
way to be 100% sure if the item is what you expect it to be unless you go 
to a whole lot of trouble. Talk to the person on the phone; does it sound 
like they're being truthful? If you have bad vibes, walk away. Otherwise 
you're just going to have to trust them.

The only trouble I've ever had in this line was buying a set of golf 
clubs from a guy in S.C. that I saw on the net last year. They guy seemed 
OK and I'm still not convinced that he didn't do everything OK. But the 
clubs just never showed up despite investigations by the post office, 
etc., and I never got my money back. Looks like some postal worker is 
enjoying a set of MacGregor JNPs somewhere.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:52:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 455 Roller Cams

Mike's address was messed up, now fixed; forwarding (first of several).

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: 455 Roller Cams

Does anyone have any experiences *good or bad* running a roller cam setup
in a 455?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:53:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

Hey, Olds guys and gals,

Still searching for that elusive rustfree rolling chassis somewhere between
San Diego and Michigan.......anyone have one/know of one?

Thanks,

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:54:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1964 Jetstar 1 for sale

Not a member, reply to him directly.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	JON <Grimm@pacbell.net>
Subject: 1964 Jetstar 1 for sale

I used to be an OCA Member, and due to a complete lifestyle change, I've
got to sell my baby. I've sent the Starfire Chapter and the Southern
California Chapter a very detailed letter and photos of the car.  It is
a white coupe, with basic equipment on it. It does not have A/C or Power 
windows. The engine was professionally remanufactured by a reputable
machine shop when I worked there. It has been blueprinted and balanced,
and the only change from the Factory was the 9:1 pistons for
driveability. There is never any spark knock. The front suspension was
rebuilt except for lower control arm bushings, which are in the trunk
along with an extra carb that was professionally rebuilt, and lots of
other parts. There are new springs in the rear and new shocks all the
way around. I've gone back to College full time and I'm only working
part time. It upsets me to see the car starting to deteriorate after all
of the love and money I've put in her. The transmission was resealed
when the engine was done, the radiator recored and so on. It's very
reliable as a driver, but needs to have the body and chrome done along
with redoing the interior.  I've got close to $5000. in the car, but
I'll take an offer around $2000.00.  I've got back taxes to pay off and
other expenses to take care of. I just want to see the car go to someone
who could give her a good home. Thank you. Jon Lenard-El
Cajon,Ca-619-561-3492-e-mail - Grimm@pacbell.net. Please help.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:02:00 -0500
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Framed H/O Ad For Sale (01/28)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

Framed original 8-1/2 x 11 inch 1969 Hurst/Olds color magazine ad.
³Snarles Softly and Carries a Big Stick², by Hurst Performance Research,
Inc. in Ferndale, Michigan.  Features a characture of the 69 H/O,
printed in white, gold, black, red and blue, along with a description
(³Thatıs more than a 4-4-2 . . . itıs a 69 Hurst/Olds!²) and
specifications of the car.  Good condition and framed in an 8-1/2 x 11
inch ³Clip Frame².  $21.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.  (1/28/98)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | =======================+
|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:04:24 -0500
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: FYI: 1974 Oldsmobile Option Codes (long)

Item:  1974 Oldsmobile Optional Equipment Codes
Source:  1975 Oldsmobile Chassis and Body Parts Catalog - effective
April, 1975

Code  Description 
AC3	6-way Power Seat
AD3	Roof Ventilator
AG1	Electric 6-way Seat (60/40 - Driverıs Side)
AG2	Electric 6-way Seat (60/40 - Passengerıs Side)
AK1	Deluxe Seat Belts
AM6	Electric Seat Assembly with Center Arm Rest (60/40)
AN7	Swivel Bucket Seats
AR3	Air Cushion Restraint System
AR9	Reclining Bucket Seats
AU3	Electric Door Locks
AU5	Electric Door and Seat Back Locks
A01	Tinted Window Glass
A02	Tinted Windshield Glass
A20	Rear Quarter Vent Windows
A31	Electric Side Windows
A39	Deluxe Seat Belts - Front and Rear
A42	Electric 6-way Bench Seat
A49	Deluxe Lap Seat Belts - Front
A51	Strato Bucket Seats
A52	Conventional Bench Seat
A65	Notch Back Bench Seat
A90	Electric Trunk Lid Latch
A96	Luggage Compartment Lock
BT1	Police Apprehender - Highway Patrol
B30	Floor Carpeting - Front and Rear
B32	Front Floor Mats
B33	Rear Floor Mats
B36	Luggage Compartment Mat
B39	Carpeted Load Floor
B80	Exterior Drip Scalp Mouldings
B83	Rocker Panel Mouldings
B84	Exterior Body Side and Fender Mouldings
B90	Chrome Door Window Frames
B93	Door Edge Guard Mouldings
B94	Exterior Ornamentation and Body Emblems
B96	Wheel Opening Mouldings
CB1	Landau Roof Option - A-Body
CB4	Landau Roof Option - Toronado
CD2	Low Washer Fluid Indicator
CD4	Pulse Wiper System
C08	Roof Top Covering
C09	Roof Top Covering - Toronado
C26	Power Operated HideawayTailgate
C49	Electric Rear Window Defogger
C50	Rear Window Defogger
C51	Air Deflector Package
C60	Manual Air Conditioning
C61	Air Conditioning - Automatic Control
C65	Air Conditioning - Semi-Automatic Control
C90	Front Door Courtesy Lights
C95	Dome and Reading Lamp Assembly
DE8	Front Compartment Mini Floor Console
DF3	Remote Control Outside Mirror - Passenger Side
D24	Litter Container
D33	Remote Control Outside Mirror - Driverıs Side
D34	Visor Vanity Mirror
D35	Outside Rearview Mirrors - Sports
D55	Sports Console
D64	Illuminated Visor Vanity Mirror
D82	Special Paint - No Charge
D83	Special Paint - Charge
D99	Two Tone Paint
FE2	442 Suspension Package
FG2	Firm Ride Shock Absorbers - Front and Rear
F41	Heavy Duty Suspension - Front and Rear
GU2	Rear Axle - 2.73 Ratio
GU3	Rear Axle - 2.93 Ratio
GU4	Rear Axle - 3.08 Ratio
GU5	Rear Axle - 3.23 Ratio
GU6	Rear Axle - 3.42 Ratio
G66	Superlift Rear Shock Absorbers
G80	Anit-Spin Axle
HE3	Final Drive Performance Option - 3.07 Ratio
JL2	Power Brakes - Disk Front
JL9	True-Track Braking
J50	Pedal Ease Power Brakes
J55	Heavy Duty Power Front Disk Brakes
K05	Engine Block Heater
K30	Cruise Control
K86	Unit Ignition System
L22	250 CID L6 - 1 Bbl (X-Body)
L34	350 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A and X-Body)
L35	350 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (B-Body)
L74	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (B and C-Body)
L75	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A-Body)
L76	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (A-Body with W-30 Option)
L78	455 CID V8 - 4 Bbl (Toronado)
M11	Floor Shift (X-Body)
M15	3-speed Manual Transmission
M38	Turbo HydraMatic 350 Transmission
M40	Turbo HydraMatic 400/425 Transmission
NB2	NOX Exhaust Emission System - California Only
N10	Dual Exhaust System
N33	Tilt-Away Steering Wheel
N34	Custom Sport Steering Wheel
N37	Tilt and Travel Steering Wheel
N41	Power Steering
N65	Space Saver Spare Wheel and Tire
N66	Super Stock II Custom Sport Wheels
N67	Super Stock IV Custom Sport Wheels
N71	Custom Sport Wheel Equipment
N72	Custom Sport Wheel Equipment
N94	Simulated Wire Wheel Discs - 14 inch
N95	Simulated Wire Wheel Discs - 15 inch
N97	Heavy Duty Wheels - 15 x 7
N99	Heavy Duty Wheels
P01	Wheel Discs - 14 inch
P02	Wheel Discs - 15 inch (A-Body)
P03	Deluxe Wheel Discs
QED	E78x14 Blackwall Tires (X-Body)
QEE	E78x14 Bias Ply Whitewall Tires (X-Body)
QEH	E78x14 Belted Bias Ply Whitewall Tires (X-Body)
QFL	F78x14 Fiberglass Blackwall Tires (A-Body)
QFM	F78x14 Fiberglass Whitewall Tires (A-Body)
QGK	G78x14 Fiberglass Blackwall Tires
QGL	G78x14 Fiberglass Whitewall Tires
QGY	GR78x15 Steel Belted Radial Whitewall Tires
QHE	H78x14 Fiberglass Blackwall Tires
QHF	H78x14 Fiberglass Whitewall Tires
QHL	H78x15 Blackwall Tires
QHM	H78x15 Whitewall Tires
QHX	HR78x15 Steel Belted Radial Whitewall Tires
QJB	J78x15 Whitewall Tires
QJC	J78x15 Blackwall Tires
QJG	J78x15 Whitewall Tires
QJN	JR78x15 Steel Belted Radial Whitewall Tires
QLB	L78x15 Whitewall Tires
QLD	L78x15 Blackwall Tires
QQS	FR78x14 Steel Belted Radial Whitewall Tires (X-Body)
QRW	LR78x15 Steel Belted Radial White Stripe Tires
TA2	Trim Appointment - Green
TA3	Trim Appointment - Blue
TA5	Trim Appointment - Cranberry Red
TA9	Trim Appointment - Saddle
TP1	Maintenance Free Battery
T87	Cornering Lamps
UB7	Speedometer Package (Trip Odometer and Speed Warning)
UE8	Electric Clock
UH1	Electronic Lamp Monitoring System
UJ2	Headlamp On Warning System
UM1	AM Pushbutton / Stereo Tape Player Radio
UM2	AM-FM Stereo Radio / Tape Player
U05	Dual Horns (X-Body)
U21	Rallye Pac Instrument Cluster
U26	Underhood Lamp
U27	Glove Box Lamp
U28	Courtesy Lamps (X-Body)
U29	Courtesy Lamps and Map Lamp
U35	Electric Clock
U37	Lighter (X-Body)
U41	Low Fuel Indicator
U58	AM-FM Stereo Radio
U63	AM Pushbutton Radio
U69	AM-FM Mono Radio
U75	Power Antenna - Front Fender
U80	Rear Seat Speaker
U89	Trailer Wiring Harness
U94	Trailer Wiring Harness
VE5	Bumper Rub Strips - Front and Rear
VJ9	California Emissions
V1H	Two Tone Special Paint - Charge
V1J	Custom Trim - Toronado
V1K	Special Firemist Paint
V1L	Special Trim
V1M	Ride and Handling Package - Salon
V01	Heavy Duty Radiator (X-Body)
V31	Bumper Guards - Front (X-Body)
V32	Bumper Guards - Rear (X-Body)
V36	Front Bumper Guards with Vinyl Insert
V55	Luggage Carrier
V56	Rear Luggage Locker Lock and Trim
W29	4-4-2 Appearance and Handling Package
W30	Performance Package
Y60	Convenience Group
Y65	Rear Facing Third Seat Assembly
Y67	Low Washer Fluid and Fuel Indicator Package
Y69	Brougham Interior Trim
Y70	Body Side Paint Stripe
Y71	Outside Temperature Indicator
Y72	Heavy Duty Engine Cooling and Generator Package
Y74	Rocker Panel and Wheel Opening Mouldings
Y77	Hurst/Olds Appearance Package
Y78	Cutlass Salon Option

          ===
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|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:25:01 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: engine paint, a car, my truck

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>


>for what it's worth... I FINALLY found the problem with my
>  "F$%&, Our Ride Died"
>truck!
>  Free Oil Pump Drive Rod to the 1st to correctly diagnose this problem?
>
That's easy it's a Ford. Fuel intake screen (sock?) in the tank clogged.
Crushed fuel line.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:36:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

>   my name is john foster and i have so questions dealing with a 73 455 
>ci. now i don't know how you guy feel about making a hybrid but ever 

I don't think you'll find anyone on this list who wouldn't consider what
you're doing to be restoring the proper order to the universe... ;)

>   ok, back to the point i am stuffing the 455 into 59' chevy pickup.

As long as you've got a lot of welding rod and 1/4" plate, it's a snap!

>   i am curious what the "F" means on the heads and block. does this 
>refer to chamber style, compression, exe. i am looking to made a pretty 
>mean motor and if anyone has any advise about any styles of cams, 
>compression ratios, headers vs. manifolds, intake manifolds, anything at 
>all. if anyone has any time to help me out i would appreshiate it.

Well, the first required reading for you will be the Olds FAQ (reach it
through http://www.442.com ). An "F" will be found on most every 455 block.
An "F" on the head, however, designates a high-performance 1970 W-30 455
head; very rare, very valuable. A '73 head would usually have an "H" on the
lower-left corner. Check the FAQ for details.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:36:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Repro W/Z manifolds- about time! (was "FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro")

>        69-72 "W" and "Z" exhaust manifold sets (NEW) Fall 98

Well, _that's_ a nice product to look forward to! Any idea of potential
cost? If they're anywhere near the cost of a set of headers, that'll be a
popular product. I'm hoping these manifolds will have the dividers? 
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:18:38 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Wtd: 4spoke Rallye St. Wheel

Hi Jim,

Do you know of anyone who can repair the rally steering wheels or any
other type of steering wheel?

Chris

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:22:57 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

RPTW32 wrote:
> 
> I have a 69 442 @ 3800# incl me. that has run a best of 12.03 / 112
> mph in street trim.. thru complete exhaust.

Is this a 400 CID 442?  What did you do to it to get it to move this
fast?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:15:40 -0500
From: "Don McAlister" <andy89@iag.net>
Subject: 1983 cutlass

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:17:45 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Lights?

     I've got some burned out instrument lights on my 86 Cutlass
Supreme (RWD). All the lights for the heater/AC control area are out.
The speedometer lights (non rallye pack) have burned out on the RH
side. Any tricks to replacing these bulbs on the G-bodies?
     I'm in digest mode so personal replies are welcomed!
TIA 

===
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Lexington Park, Maryland  
Read about our vehicles: HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr        72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31        72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv 4 speed 72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr  86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:32:22 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

In a message dated 98-01-28 07:55:30 EST, you write:

<< An "F" on the head, however, designates a high-performance 1970 W-30 455
 head; very rare, very valuable. A '73 head would usually have an "H" on the
 lower-left corner. Check the FAQ for details. >>


This is not correct in that the 73 and up were J heads. The H head was for the
71 W30  Also very rare... in fact the H heads are the rarest in that the least
no. no W30 from 68 - 72 wew manufactured in 71.

Rgds,
R.Thomas
69 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:52:23 -0500
From: Miguel Morales <Miguel.Morales@mci.com>
Subject: Re: 3 speed lightning rods

Normally the transmission has to be in D (not OD) for the 1 and 2 shift
levers to move. 1rst will only move without forcing it, if the 2nd lever
is engaged. It is kind of a pain in the a** to adjust properly as the
column or undercarriage bolt can stick and bind the works.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:16:46 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Buying parts from private parties

>I have been in discussion with a fellow list member about
>my purchase of some not-so-inexpensive parts (approaching
>$200).  I am concerned about sending money until I see
>that they are in undamaged condition,........ I was wondering if anybody
had a good suggestion
>on how to resolve this impasse.

Hi Brett,

I don't know who your dealing with but for what it's worth, I have bought
parts with no problems.  I spent $85. with Robert Schinkel (?spelling?) and
well over $125. from Everett ("AntiqOlds") with great success.

Both of the above guys delivered what they said they would.  My parts were
just as they described them.   And I'm very particular!

As far as payment up front, I think it's necessary and common here on the
list.   I have sold some items and requested the same.  To answer your
question; you really just have to trust, but when dealing with the people on
this list, the odds are in your favor!  My suggestion is to:

1.)   tell the seller what your expecting to receive and ask specific
questions so there are no misunderstandings.

2.)  Keep in touch with the party BEFORE, DURING and AFTER the transaction
is complete by e-mail,  and  SAVE all e-mail regarding the transaction for
reference.

The parts you'll find on this list are some of the best.  I feel more
comfortable with the people on this lists then at any swap meet.

Just my thoughts,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:16:25 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Solvents

     There is a solvent called Varsol which is used in parts washers.
It is non-flammable. I am looking for a source to buy this stuff. I
have a parts washer and I need to fill it. Where can I buy Varsol or
something similar? I don't want to have to buy 55 gallons
though....5-10 gallons would do it. Although if I had to, I could get
55 gallons and I'm sure I could sell it off 5 gallons at a time.

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak


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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:28:17 -0500
From: Dan Boone <boone.dan@acd.net>
Subject: Re: ADVISE

John,
If you really have a set of heads with a casting mark of F on them you have
a set of 1970 W-30 heads.  This set of heads are worth quite a bit of money.
I have seen them advertised on the average for $1500. My suggestion would be
to sell them to someone that needs them to complete the restoration on their
W-30 and find a set of E or G heads.

john foster wrote:

> hi,
>    my name is john foster and i have so questions dealing with a 73 455
> ci. now i don't know how you guy feel about making a hybrid but ever
> sence my first car a 68' cutlass my sophmore year in high school the
> oldmobile sound and power i guess grew on me. after spending the last
> couple of years racing up at spokane raceway park and everywhere you
> look some one has a small block chevy. i got a little sick of hearing
> 307,327, and especially 350. don't get me wrong they are all good
> motors, its just they are everywhere.
>    ok, back to the point i am stuffing the 455 into 59' chevy pickup.
> i have been playing with this off and on for about four years now,
> working on it in between work, girlfriend, and school. (needless to say
> she hasn't been worked on for a while. by the time she gets back on the
> road i will probably be burried in it. its all fun right!!)
> my knowledge and experience with oldsmobile motors is pretty slim so i
> was wondering if i could get a hand.
>
>    i am curious what the "F" means on the heads and block. does this
> refer to chamber style, compression, exe. i am looking to made a pretty
> mean motor and if anyone has any advise about any styles of cams,
> compression ratios, headers vs. manifolds, intake manifolds, anything at
> all. if anyone has any time to help me out i would appreshiate it.
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:34:11 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: WI Junkyards

My old man just checked out some stuff the other day, here is whats 
good up there.

69 442 Hood with ram air
69 442 Rims

63/64 Cutlass Convertible, believed to be a supreme, Hood, doors, 
Quarters, Trunk, Bumper, Grill, there was a fire in the car, the 
interior/dash is shot, but body is solid. 

The place is outside of Broadhead Wisconson, its called "Murrys 
auto yard" phone # is 608- 879- 2525 
and ask for Dale, Dale is really the only one who know's what the 
hell is going on up there. There are numerous other Olds products up 
there such as Starfires, 88, 98's, cutlasses, ect, but, this is for 
sure what I know is good, the others you would have to ask what your 
looking for. This place is kinda the junkyard that time forgot, other 
goodies up there such as 56 Chrysler and old buicks as well. Hope it 
helps. Do me a favor, if you do call, tell them Gary Krumwiede sent 
ya, My old man (Gary Krumwiede) and Dale are friends, help us get a 
discount or something if we send some buisness his way. Thanks


> Dear Mike,
>     I saw in your response to Mike Smiths Rally wheel question that you
> mentioned Wisconsin boneyards. As a Wisconsin resident and 1971 Cutlass
> owner I would very much like to know of any good Olds part sources close to
> home. Thanks for any possible leads.
> dave
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:39:34 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

Mike, I sent a message about Wisconson Junkyard, possibly one up 
there, could try to give them a call at 608-879-2525 and ask for 
Dale, tell them Gary Krumwiede sent ya, (my old man) Hope this helps.
Otherwise, I don't know how much your looking to pay, but, I have a 
77 Olds Cutlass Supreme, what to take a look at it check out 
http://www.angelfire.com/il/mikeblahblah/index.html and look for the 
blinking are (in netscape it blinks anyway) that says "Do you wish to 
see pictures of my car?)

> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
> Subject: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
> 
> Hey, Olds guys and gals,
> 
> Still searching for that elusive rustfree rolling chassis somewhere between
> San Diego and Michigan.......anyone have one/know of one?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:42:16 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Pics

Pics of what?


> From:           TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
> Date sent:      Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:52:58 EST
> To:             oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: Pics
> Organization:   AOL (http://www.aol.com)
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Send away my address is
> 704 First St
> Menasha, Wi 54952
> 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:45:10 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: gas tank tube

On some newer models, I know theres a clamp and then the tube 
unscrews, but, on a 72, not sure. Might want to take a closer look.


> I e-mailed this question a couple of days ago and got no replys so I'm
> thinking that maybe it didn't go through.  So here it goes again, does anyone
> know how to replace the gas tank filler tube on a 72 Cutlass S.  Mine is
> damaged and needs replacement if possible.  I hate to have to replace the
> entire gas tank.
> Thanks in advance for any info that will help me resolve this problem.
> 
> Eddie
> 72 Cutlass S   conv / 4spd
> 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:56:27 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

Hey, Mike,

Thanks, but I can't use a Supreme body, I need the S/442 body with the
"fastback" rear glass.  I'm looking for a rustfree body shell and I've been
searching through the Southwest, as my parents are wintering there with
there motorhome and could easily trailer a dry desert survivor back to
Michigan with them.

At 08:39 AM 1/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike, I sent a message about Wisconson Junkyard, possibly one up 
>there, could try to give them a call at 608-879-2525 and ask for 
>Dale, tell them Gary Krumwiede sent ya, (my old man) Hope this helps.
>Otherwise, I don't know how much your looking to pay, but, I have a 
>77 Olds Cutlass Supreme, what to take a look at it check out 
>http://www.angelfire.com/il/mikeblahblah/index.html and look for the 
>blinking are (in netscape it blinks anyway) that says "Do you wish to 
>see pictures of my car?)
>
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From:   "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
>> Subject: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
>> 
>> Hey, Olds guys and gals,
>> 
>> Still searching for that elusive rustfree rolling chassis somewhere between
>> San Diego and Michigan.......anyone have one/know of one?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Fax (815) 235-6130
>Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:22:20 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Rocket Science

     I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself: A 65
330/Jetaway Cutlass is being converted to a 455. I was looking at the
330 as it hung from the hoist. The RH exhaust manifold had only ONE
OUTLET. The PN was 561796, and had a cast-in number 12 with Y-R under
it near the front of the manifold. Could this be the "small-block dual
exhaust manifold" that is often talked about but never seen? I know
the later small block dual exhaust cars used the "cap" on the RH
manifold, but was unaware this other manifold existed. FAQ MATERIAL!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:27:36 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Turbo Regal URL

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: More Power. Argh argh argh.


<snip>
I just had the Turbo Buick address, but now it's gone.  Someone
>around here knows it.  There's gotta be volumes of info there since
it's a
>one-engine list.
>
>Someone have that address?
>
yes.
http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:09:51 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Exhaust crossover as an H pipe?

>Here's a silly thought that entered my head and I was wondering if anyone
>would have some feedback on it.  I'm planning to do some major
>modifications to my Cutlass in the coming weeks/months, one of them being a
>true dual exhaust.  I remember a few months back the list discussed the
>virtues of an H pipe in the exhaust.  However, I was wondering if
>fabricating a Y pipe off the left manifold, (one leg of the Y going
>straight back and the other going in the original direction of the
>crossover) if that crossover pipe would function simialrly as an H pipe
>would? 

Hmmm, that's a truly interesting idea! Yes, I imagine that it would
function as an H-pipe would; better, perhaps, since the crossover would be
so close to the exhaust ports (almost like a set of 180' headers, but not
quite).

But, if you're going to be installing this on a 455 with a Toronado oil pan
(that's still in the works, right?), then you probably won't have enough
clearance under the engine to run a crossover pipe. I do know exactly what
you're saying, and if you're having an exhaust fabricated anyway, you might
try this "H-pipe" setup, if you can fit it under the oil pan.

>I'm basically looking to have a dual exhaust, while keeping the O2 sensor
>and remaining computer compatible.  I can't have the O2 sensor just
>checking exhaust from one side of the engine, can I??

You can; it measures percentages of oxygen, not volume. As long as the
cylinders are about even across the engine, taking a reading from one bank
shouldn't be a problem; it would be the same reading as from both banks
combined.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:22:21 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: engine paint, a car, my truck

>It kept getting slower & slower, top speed losing about 5 mph per
>week... chugging on acceleration or higher speeds. Spent all last weekend
>removing, then reinstalling, the exhaust system figuring it HAD to be clogged
>cats. Within the last year or so:  tune-up. New rear fuel tank, with new
>sending unit & pump, new main fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator. Oh, yeah,
>it's an 86 302 MPFI motor. Recent investigations revealed that TPS yields a
>smooth continuous signal. MAP sensor swapped out to no avail. Last weekend's
>festivities included use of a fuel pump pressure tester I fabricated.
Deadhead
>pressure was good, about 65 psi, installed pressure was cool at 30-35, but
>chuggy just like the performance at load. Quantity of flow was a bit low,
like
>1/2 pint a minute- guessing- not timed accurately or anything. Removed main
>pump's inlet line, checked tank-pumps' flow: front just dribbled out, rear
[the
>new one] had -no- flow. Could hear all pumps running.
>  Free Oil Pump Drive Rod to the 1st to correctly diagnose this problem?

Hmmm, just pondering...

Did anything change when you unscrewed the gas cap? If the tank wasn't
vented properly, a vacuum in the tank might cause the same condition.

Are you getting the volts and amps to the fuel pump that you ought to? Is
there a rollover relay in this circuit, that might be faulty, or have high
resistance, such that the pumps will turn, but not enough to pump fuel? How
are the electrical connectors?

And of course, the inevitable problem of faulty grounds (from pump to tank,
from tank to chassis, from battery to chassis) could reduce the number of
electrons that can be pumped through the circuit.

Is it cold there? Water in the tank frozen?

Fuel lines blown through with compressed air, I imagine? No restrictions
there?

Tank Pickup sock not grunged up in any way?

Tank isn't run dry, is it? (faulty or sticking fuel-sender float... ;)

Impeller on the pump spinning on the shaft? (after all, these are F&%d
parts...)
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:41:11 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Where are all those pics

- -----Original Message-----
From: TERMO1L <TERMO1L@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:32 AM
Subject: Where are all those pics


>Come on guys I know there are more photos send them to me please

There are quite a few pics from Lansing (including 69 H/O convert), on
my WEB site. Just right click on the pic and choose "save as" and
presto, you'll have em.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:44:12 -0500
From: Dan Boone <boone.dan@acd.net>
Subject: 70 W-30 conv

I have a 1970 W-30 conv which is missing the original carburetor. If
anyone has a 7040258 carb and is willing to sell it please let me know.
This is the last part I need to complete this rare beauty. I will
consider any condition but would prefer it to be complete. You can reach
me boone.dan@acd.net or at (517)641-7259 no calls before 8:00 am est.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:59:09 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Olds "in the movies" list

>> Matt's post reminded me of a movie I recently saw, "Fargo".  Has
>> anyone seen it?  I couldn't believe the number of Oldsmobiles in
>> that movie.  They must have had hundreds of 1980's Cutlass
>> Cieras, 98s (FWD versions), etc.

Well, the main character _was_ an Olds dealer, after all.  :-)

> How Old's (!) that movie?  I thought it was from the early 90's?

1996. But it was set in the 1980's as a supposedly true story
(though filmmakers Joel and Ethan Coen later admitted it wasn't).

- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:42:42 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body

We have a rust free 76 cutlass salon
bucket seats console rims etc.
southern california car
Thanks Coy

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: UNBOUNCE: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 2:53 AM
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	"Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
> Subject: '76/'77 Cutlass S or 442 body
> 
> Hey, Olds guys and gals,
> 
> Still searching for that elusive rustfree rolling chassis somewhere
between
> San Diego and Michigan.......anyone have one/know of one?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:45:20 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit

let us help you with the stripes.
I cut these stripes out of performance vinyl.
These are cut to order.
If we can be of any help email for mail information.
Thanks
Coy


- ----------
> From: W MACHINES <WMACHINES@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 72 W30  Stencil kit
> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:27 PM
> 
> In a message dated 98-01-28 01:02:47 EST, you write:
> 
> << Try Stencils and Stripes.  Whole kit.  Don't remember how much though.

>  Ad is always in Hemming's.
>  
>  Mike Rothe
>   >>
>  I found the kit from S&S was crappy.  I ended up using part of it and
using
> fine line tape.  The hood stripes were wrong.  At the rear of the hood,
they
> had the 
> lines straight.  On Chevelles thats correct, on Oldsmobiles they follow
the
> curve of the rear of the hood.  The stencil was also too short.  Try some
else
> or do what I did.
> I took magazines and blew up pic to see the stripes better than used fine
line
> tape.
> 
> I also had to use the fine line around my fender and rear quarter wells. 
> 
> W MACHINES

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