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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, January 8 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1047



Re: Dick Miller
Re: Side Marker Lites
Re: Side Marker Lites
Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme For Sale
A few Questions for Steve Kenny...  (Re: Yes we do install them)
Re: Too much mail
Old Olds available
Re: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still
bob's 350 ID
Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme For Sale
Laura's motor again
big sale
Re: Yes we do install them
year of Fed req's
Re: Old Olds is in MASS.
no spark?
Four-Point Seat Belts
Re: She will not start! Arrghhh!
Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Re: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still
Re: '68 Safety Equipment
Congrats to Larry and Kurt!
Oh yes still reading {laughing}
Dick Miller Racing Event
Re: Four-Point Seat Belts
Covt. top $$  Good/bad
Re: Dick Miller
Brian in Mt Clemens?
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Re: Dick Miller
A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: '68 Safety Equipment
Re: brothers
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes
Re: HEI/problems/FAQ
Re: Non-Olds Brakes Question
Re: bob's 350 ID
Re: Laura's motor again
OLDSMOBILE
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes
RE: Sandblasting
Re: OLDSMOBILE
Re: A-Body Disk Brakes/ Suppliers and kits
Re: bob's 350 ID

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:34:17 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dick Miller

In a message dated 98-01-07 17:48:35 EST, you write:

<<
 Hey,

 I stopped by Dick Miller's place today to pick up one of his catalogs,
 since I was in the area.  Very nice guy, as well as very
 knowledgeable.....seems to be a unique combination for Olds vendors! ;-)

 Two quick things to point out:
<snip>
 All in all, very refreshing to talk to someone who's as much an Oldsmonut
 as the rest of us!
 Michael A. Evans
 evans1@net-link.net
 Richland, MI >>

Geez, now only if we could get him to sign on, and participate in the mail
list, we'd be doing good.  It'd add to the (already) large knowledge base we
have here, plus it would give him a very good viewpoint on products currently
on the market, and what could be very popular items to invest in.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:40:43
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Side Marker Lites

At 04:11 PM 1/7/1998 -0400, you wrote:

>> Dan is probably correct about the hazard warning flashers.  I remember that
>> '68 442 as having them, but I don't recall if this was the first year they
>> were required by law.
>
>Actually I recall my dad's '67 Pontiac as having the 4-ways. I think that
>was the first year for it.

My Dad's '67 Vista Cruiser had the 4-ways, too, but as I remember it, GM
installed these beginning in '67 in anticipation of the coming law, but
they weren't actually required until '68.



Dan

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:45:56
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Side Marker Lites

At 06:45 PM 1/7/1998 EST, you wrote:

>>> As I remember, 1968 was the first year that cars were required to have the
>>>four-way hazard flashers.  That required the addition of that little
>>> button/whatever that's been gracing steering columns ever since.  Also
(but
>
>>Yup!
>
>Nope!  1967 is the first year hazard warning lights were standard on Olds.
>Look in any sales literature for that year.

As I pointed out earlier, I think that '68 was the first year that hazard
lights were _required_ by law.  Olds offered them a year early.



Dan

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:43:27 +0000
From: "M. Slocum" <mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme For Sale

I've been looking for a cutlass for about a year now and can't find one that I
can
afford. If your brother-in-law's mother wants to sell it could you let me know?
Are you located in the midwest? If it runs, would you take $400-500 from a
stranger? My first car was a 71 cutlass but it was totalled when a poor old
'blind' lady side-swiped me and I miss it dearly.

PLEASE let me know either way.
email mslocum@shrike.depaul.edu

Thank you for taking the time to read this!


BIG JERMES wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-07 13:58:05 EST, you write:
>
> << I ran across a 72 Cutlass Supreme for sale today. I can't afford to buy
>  it, but if anyone is interested, e-mail me privately and I will get more
>  information on it. >>
>
> geez, i ran across a '70-'72 cutlass a few weeks ago in the backyard of my
> brother in law's house.  his mother somehow got it back there when the 
company
> she works for repo'd it and didnt have enough room to store it.  so its been
> sitting back there for aobut 2 years now.  they drove it in and it looks
> pretty darn good!!  still has the rally rims on it and tires.  its yellow 
with
> a black vynle top.  350 engine, also.  i think she would take $100 for that
> car!!  so im thinkin maybe ill just give it to her.





SRDIET wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-07 17:05:12 EST, you write:
>
> <<eez, i ran across a '70-'72 cutlass a few weeks ago in the backyard of my
>  brother in law's house.  his mother somehow got it back there when the
> company
>  she works for repo'd it and didnt have enough room to store it.  so its been
>  sitting back there for aobut 2 years now.  they drove it in and it looks
>  pretty darn good!!  still has the rally rims on it and tires.  its yellow
> with
>  a black vynle top.  350 engine, also.  i think she would take $100 for that
>  car!!  so im thinkin maybe ill just give it to her.   >>
>
> Quick, phone number and location please .................

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:58:02 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: A few Questions for Steve Kenny...  (Re: Yes we do install them)

In a message dated 98-01-07 21:43:01 EST, you write:

<<
 Using an NOS quarter, that includes a full door and trunk jamb,  one would
 typically remove the crashed panel, and then straighten the rest of the car
 until it fits the NOS panel, then install the panel.  In short, you make the
 rest of the car fit the NOS panel.

 Using a reproduction quarter, without a full door and trunk jamb, you simply
 don't have this luxury.  Instead of making the car fit the panel you pretty
 much have to make the panel fit the car-not too tough with rust repair-more
 complicated with crash damage.  You simply do not have the full set of
factory
 reference points to work from that you have with a complete, straight from
the
 GM dies NOS quarter.   People use the reproduction panels all the time on
 collision damage, but the best solution for collision damage thats into the
 frame is NOS sheetmetal.

 Hope this clarifies some of the confusion. If you require more specific info,
 call me direct.

 Thanks,
 Steve Kenny >>

O.K., you may have clarified some of my questions regarding the OEM (or, in
this case, NOS, from GM) panels, compared to reproduction panels.  Just to
make this perfectly clear to myself, and everyone else (not being an ass, or
adding to the crap that gone on, I'm curious about a few things here, see
previous post for reference).

With NOS (which should be the same, or very similar to the panels that were
originally installed on a car), they INCLUDE the door jamb, and trunk jamb,
correct?

With reproductions, they DO NOT include the trunk, and door jambs, correct?

Is this possibly where people may be getting some confusion (over just how
much of the panel they get)?

This would be a good reason why prices are different (NOS being higher).

I'm also curious to find out another thing.  Do you have any idea of where the
NOS, and/or the reproduction parts come from (supplier wise, and I'm not, nor
is anybody else "up to something" here, but I figure GM (in this case, Fisher
Body, correct?) has most likely "sold off" this business to someone else,
rather than maintian it,and it's headaches).  I'm wondering if the NOS
actually are the ORIGINAL dies (in a sense) that were used on the car by GM.

Just some questions.

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:00:18 EST
From: Schauty <Schauty@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Too much mail

suscribe oldsmobile-digest

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:36:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Old Olds available

This just in... don't know where it is..

> From: Jimsull97 <Jimsull97@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:22:51 EST
> To: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> Subject: Old Olds
> Hi,
>
>     Got a 1934  2 door sedan parts car  about 70%  complete.   Looking for
> $1200
>     Interested?
>  Jim
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:46:27 EST
From: Wrencher43 <Wrencher43@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still

Hi Mick:

Do you have the carbon button, spring, and rubber washer under the coil?  Also
does your old system have a ballast resistor?  If so,  remove the resistor and
make sure your power wire is full battery voltage.
Mike
(Wrencher43@aol.com)

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:09:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: bob's 350 ID

Well, I scraped the layer of goo off the front of my engine, (I'm thinking
of getting the engine professionally steam cleaned, I'd appreciate any
input on that, too :,)) and low and behold, the number 395558 and maybe a 2
or a Z a little past that.  I am not sure what that tells me, but the
engine surface appears to be a gold? kind of color (I cannot describe it
well, but it matches the gold Oldsmobile valve covers).  I don't know what
that tells me either.  Back to the goo...
Bob   '78 Cutlass
=======================
I find a regular car wash is very effective at degreasing, esp. if you use a
spray-on degreaser [e.g. kerosene] first.

Your "395558 2" block is the run-o-the-mill 350 used from '68 to ?? '78? Solid
main webs. Gold would be the correct color for it.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:09:24 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme For Sale

i still have to talk to them about it, but ill probly just stash this car in
my barn out in the country till summer.  :-)
p.s.  i live in south carolina, anyways

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:16:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Laura's motor again

they may stick a 425 in there.  I'm sure I sound parinoid, but these guys
are real jerks.

[[ I think a 425 would be OK, if not an improvement. ]]

     Do you have an expert friend that could do a pre-assembly
     inspection?
Unfortunatly not within easy driving distance :(

[[ Wouldn't it be great if a half-dozen list members with expertise showed
up?]]

     And, PLEASE, Laura, SPECIFY the color of the motor before they paint
      it, lest you end up with a Chevy Orange 455!
      It should be red for your car. Red.

Or in this case, blue...Right ;)
...
last I heard the Olds engine blue was hard to come by, what's the second
choice?
...
     Actually, the 68-69 455s _were_ painted red - same as the 425s.  It
     wasn't until 70 that the metallic blue was introduced.
     Joe Padavano
=====================
I have a really nice degreasing chemical that is great for pre-paint. In fact,
if you don't paint right away, rust from airborne water vapor sets in.
.
Please look into getting red or Olds Metallic Blue from one of the traditional
Olds vendors: Year One, Warpath, Brother's, etc. :-O  [still silent on THAT
one!] Hemming's Motor News has Hirsch ads- I got my bronze paint from them, but
cuiously, they seem unaware that red is an Olds color. They offer other reds,
just don;t list it as an Olds color. Go figger, they need to be educated I
guess.
  Your motor will look correct at first glance it it's RED.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: big sale

Hmmm...  I'm familiar with some of the things you have, I'll help ya "clean
out things" right now..., and even better yet, I'll give ya closer to
.10/pound... :-)..
Chris Ruper
...
Ooh, ooh, when is that sale Chris?!?!
Bob Handren=20
==================
Naw, I couldn't rip you off like that, man, shoot, a 3x2 setup would set ya
back... close to $5.00 even at 5c/ª!  The convertible... generously figuring
4000ª... $200!
.
Don't hold your breath just yet.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:51:05 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Yes we do install them

Oldsparts wrote:

> One thing not  publicly mentioned about this issue is that Chris's car had
> frame damage that required repair on that same side.  Usually, when you have

I am sure I mentioned that I had frame damage.  I have pictures if
anyone
would like to see.  Nothing major, just dented in near the tail pipe
hook on area.

> crash damage bad enough to require frame repair (however minor), other
> internal substructure damage is almost always present.  We have only used

Just the outer wheel house and trunk extension.  Both of which
straightened out.

> these panels on rust repair.  We have not used them on crash repair-nor would
> I recommend it-better to bite the bulet and go with NOS or another car to
> restore.

Had I known this I probably would have used the spare 442 I have since
it has a
good rear quarter panel.

Well I guess I was confused by your catalog since there is a sentence
which states
"They roll into the door and trunk jambs approximately 1 to 1 1/2
inches."  Made
me think that they were full panels.

> collision damage, but the best solution for collision damage thats into the
> frame is NOS sheetmetal.

Had I known this, I may have chosen to go that route.

Chris

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:47:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: year of Fed req's

Did'ya know... that these belts actually were not required until Jan. 1,
1968? My '68, being an early (Sept./67) production car, does not have
shoulder belts.
Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
=====================
What a coincidence, my '68 convertible was a 11/67 car, I think, and it has no
shoulder belts! ;-)

I always thought of '67 as the Big Year for new requirements:
- -split braking system
- -4 way flashers
- -Safety [collapsible] steering column
- -350 HP

What's that? That last one might not have been a *requirement*?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Old Olds is in MASS.

>  FYI.  The car is in Mass.  And it runs pretty good too.
>  Thanks for the quick response
>  Jim
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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:52:29 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: no spark?

attached to the ª1 wire; I saw and heard a spark from the vicinity of
the distributor housing. Otherwise no juice at the plugs. I don't know
where to go from here and need some help from anyone who has done
this. When responding, please appreciate that I know next to nothing
about electricity and need very simple how tos.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Since I was cranking it over without the ground strap, and I did see a
spark from the vicinity of the distributor, is it possible that I blew
something? the HEI module maybe? grrrrr!!!

Mick Gillespie
===================
Since there *is* a spark, but it's not getting out of the dist'r, is there the
smallest possibility that you left out the little spring-carbon thingy that
conducts the electrons from the coil to the dist'r cap?  You'll just have to
guess how I know that that might have happened. Certainly highly trained
professional such as myself would never make such a gaffe. :-O

Or, you got a really, really big electron stuck in there!

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
         >>> Please snip the excess lines from posts <<<

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:07:15 -0600
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Four-Point Seat Belts

Has anyone here installed a four-point racing harness in a Cutlass? I
don't trust the original belts and the crossover shoulder belt would cut
my head off in a wreck. So, I would like to install the above-mentioned
system. The car is stock (no rollcage) and it has a pair of bucket seats
that I liberated from a 69 H/O. Comments? Suggestions?

JR
72 Cutlass S

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:33:22 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: She will not start! Arrghhh!

> From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
> Monday morning, Soylent Ocean Mist would not start.
>
> Normally, she kicks right over, and away we go. Admittedly, on
reflection, she
> has been getting harder and harder to start in the mornings and less
difficult
> in the afternoons.

Hi Karl ...

Sounds like what happened to my Ninety-Eight last year.  Wouldn't start one
morning, had been getting slowly worse the week before.  After lots of
fiddling and hassle some kind souls on the lists suggested the timing chain
as the culprit.  While a friend cranked it, I turned the distributor
clockwise and bingo, it fired up right away.  Of course it ran really
badly.  I got the timing chain replaced shortly thereafter and it now runs
much better than before.

Hopefully yours is an easier fix, but this is something to consider.

Good luck ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
66 Toronado
67 Buick Wildcat

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:12:37 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: 1965 Oldsmobile Cutlass

Kurt :

Just got back from Biloxi and saw your message about T-handle.
I am looking for T-Handle for 1966 442 auto

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:06:34 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: HEI Conversion - Again/Still

>
>Thanks Lloyd, you were right about the ground strap. I had to go to
>the Junqe yarde to get one. It's a discontinued part and the parts
>stores don't have them either. Lots of fun in the rain. Ok, so i took
>a complete cap because I was missing the dust cover. I also got the
>conector plug too, (all for $5). Amazing, the dust cover has stamped
>into it, where to make the connections. It's now back together exactly
>like the one from the yard, but still no spark at the plugs.
>Since I was cranking it over without the ground strap, and I did see a
>spark from the vicinity of the distributor, is it possible that I blew
>something? the HEI module maybe? grrrrr!!!
>
>Mick Gillespie
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>OCAª 29770
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

Now that you mention it, very possible.  I recently had an ugly experience
with my Riv in that I blew 3 modules in 3 weeks, one of them 27 miles from
home at LAX, cost me $120 to get it towed home.

The long and the short of it (I found out from customer service at BWD
maker of the module) is that if the coil arcs over it will take out the
secondary of the module.  I replaced my coil (which was original 1984) and
no problems since.

If you have Chief Auto Parts where you live, they will test the module for
free.  If you buy the BWD module it comes with a lifetime no-questions
warranty (I didn't pay for any of my replacements).  Leaving the ground
open on the coil could easily develop an arc from the wire to the nearest
ground.

If you don't have a place to get it tested but have a digital multi-meter I
can send you the procedure for testing it in the car.  Let me know.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:55:09 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Safety Equipment

>
>>      Shoulder belts                     1968
>
>Did'ya know... that these belts actually were not required until Jan. 1,
>1968? My '68, being an early (Sept./67) production car, does not have
>shoulder belts.
>
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

This and the fact that a friend of mine smacked his car into a wall because
of ice brings up a question:

Does this apply to convertibles?  I have never seen a '60's or '70's
convertible with shoulder belts (my '69 does not have them) however my body
manual shows how they are installed.  Basically they seem to be bolted near
the top cylinder pivot, come out past the upper top compartment side trim
panel, drapes over the fron set and is connected to a second buckle on the
seat (anchored to the floor).  They also show the details of the rear
shoulder straps.

(After writing this I see the manual says that the convertible front and
rear shoulder straps  are avvailable as factory options or dealer installed
accessory).

Does anybody have these or have they seen the accessory ones available as
NOS?  I have almost gotten used to cars with shoulder straps and feel funny
driving without them.  (Next thing I'll be asking is if you can retrofit
airbags).



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 06:31:02 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Congrats to Larry and Kurt!

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Just wanted to congratulate Steve and Kurt for their recent win!

~ C O N G R A D U L A T I O N S! ~

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:18:21 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Oh yes still reading {laughing}

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In case anyone was curious, I'm still here, {laughing and shaking my =
head}!  Haven't got to read any e-mail for a few days since I've been =
busy at work.  (Although it seems like I haven't missed much!)  My God =
another mud fight!

I just read all comments and since the party in question has continued =
to show guilt, immaturity, and a lack of self-control,  I can only =
laugh.  After reviewing my past post, which apparently upset someone, I =
felt my comments were nothing more than my thoughts and opinions.  NOT =
criticism.  Having said that, I stand behind and back-up my post and =
it's comments (looks like they were right after all).   I have and will =
continue to voice my opinion, right or wrong.  That's why this list is =
so successful, we help each other by "communicating" the good AND the =
bad.  Like it or not.

Sorry to "dig-up" this already buried horsey, but I wasn't here during =
the battle.


RC  HELLEBUYCK
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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since I've=20
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much!)&nbsp;=20
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than my=20
thoughts and opinions.&nbsp; NOT criticism.&nbsp; Having said that, I =
stand=20
behind and back-up my post and it's comments (looks like they were right =
after=20
all).&nbsp;&nbsp; I have and will continue to voice my opinion, right or =

wrong.&nbsp; That's why this list is so successful, we help each other =
by=20
&quot;communicating&quot; the good AND the bad.&nbsp; Like it or=20
not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"><A=20
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:36:42 EST
From: RPTW32 <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Dick Miller Racing Event

 Further to my earlier post regarding Dick Miller hosting an Olds powered race
/ show event at Norwalk this year I now have the "official name of this event"
as follows:

     1ST ANNUAL DICK MILLER RACING INC. OLDSMOBILE POWERED OPEN
                       1/4 MILE RACE AUGUST 16,1998 AT NORWALK OHIO

 I mispoke earlier in that Dick was taking over the formerly held Mondello
meet. This is not the case at all. Dick's event is a new on in itself and has
no affiliation with the
Mondello performace Olds Natls held at Norwalk in previous years.

 However I was "dead on" in indicating that this event has the potential to be
the
largest Olds gathering of its kind if we the owners of these beautiful
machines so
choose to excerise our choice to participate & spectate. I know I'll be
participating
with a heavy right foot ........

Hope to see and meet many new found friends this weekend....

Best Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 04:02:00 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Four-Point Seat Belts

JR wrote:

> the crossover shoulder belt would cut my head off in a wreck.

Would it be possible to use say a over the shoulder belt off of 70's
Oldsmobiles for these older cars instead of the neck cutter?  I had
a 77 and I liked the retractable unit above and behind my head.  They
worked too!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:50:11 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Covt. top $$  Good/bad

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Looking into getting a new covt. top put on the ol' 4-4-2.  Here's the =
cheapest price I found:

$950.00 (+ tax) which includes;  painting the frame, new cables, pads, =
and tack strips, and obviously a new top with glass back window that's =
OEM material.  (I already have the well liner and cover which are in EC)

Last summer I asked many people, "Who does a good job on covt. tops", =
most replied "No one"!    If any of you Detroit area MI guys know of a =
place you recommend let me know please!  I plan to get it done ASAP.  =
The "do-it-yourself" idea is definitely out.

Thanks in advance,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:31:47 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Dick Miller

>I stopped by Dick Miller's place today to pick up one of his catalogs,
>since I was in the area.  Very nice guy, >

Always looking for new vendors!  I'd like to get one of his catalogs.  Can
you give me a phone number or address?

Thanks,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:56:11 -0500
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Brian in Mt Clemens?

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Hey Brian in Mt Clemens, (forgot your last name sorry)

Please answer this so I can get your e-mail address again.  I switched =
browsers and lost some addresses.
=20
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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Just wanted to congratulate Steve and Kurt for their recent win!

~ C O N G R A D U L A T I O N S! ~

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In case anyone was curious, I'm still here, {laughing and shaking my =
head}!  Haven't got to read any e-mail for a few days since I've been =
busy at work.  (Although it seems like I haven't missed much!)  My God =
another mud fight!

I just read all comments and since the party in question has continued =
to show guilt, immaturity, and a lack of self-control,  I can only =
laugh.  After reviewing my past post, which apparently upset someone, I =
felt my comments were nothing more than my thoughts and opinions.  NOT =
criticism.  Having said that, I stand behind and back-up my post and =
it's comments (looks like they were right after all).   I have and will =
continue to voice my opinion, right or wrong.  That's why this list is =
so successful, we help each other by "communicating" the good AND the =
bad.  Like it or not.

Sorry to "dig-up" this already buried horsey, but I wasn't here during =
the battle.


RC  HELLEBUYCK
1971 4-4-2 covt. - see it at:
1995 Achieva S

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post,=20
which apparently upset someone, I felt my comments were nothing more =
than my=20
thoughts and opinions.&nbsp; NOT criticism.&nbsp; Having said that, I =
stand=20
behind and back-up my post and it's comments (looks like they were right =
after=20
all).&nbsp;&nbsp; I have and will continue to voice my opinion, right or =

wrong.&nbsp; That's why this list is so successful, we help each other =
by=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3Dª000000 face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT =
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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:06:33 -0800
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Dick Miller

At 07:31 AM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>I stopped by Dick Miller's place today to pick up one of his catalogs,
>>since I was in the area.  Very nice guy, >
>
>Always looking for new vendors!  I'd like to get one of his catalogs.  Can
>you give me a phone number or address?
>
Yep.....Dick Miller Racing, 2374 Windemere Drive, Jackson, MI 49202-1236,
(517) 782-2012.
Michael A. Evans
evans1@net-link.net
Richland, MI

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:44:30 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: A-Body Disk Brakes

I wrote:

> I believe that front disk brakes also became standard on all of the '68
> A-bodied Oldsmobiles, except possibly for the budget-priced F-85.

To which Greg Beaulieu   <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> replied:

> Nope. I don't think they became standard until '72 or so. Both my '68 and
> my pal Don's '68 W-30 have front drums (ugh).

**************************

I think that the front disk brakes actually became standard on most of the
A-bodied Oldsmobiles in 1969.  The Cutlass Supreme which my father-in-law
bought that year had them, and as I recall they were standard equipment.
In my original posting I meant to type '69 where I actually put '68 in that
statement.  (Why did they ever put those two keys so close together on my
keyboard?!)  I knew that front disks weren't standard on the '68s, because
my 442 also had front drums.  And I can report that those had very little
effect for slowing the car down from speeds above 80 miles per hour.  Ugh
indeed.  At the end of my one 140 mile per hour top speed run in that car,
I let it coast for a couple of miles before even trying the brakes.  Sorry
for the confusion.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:23:36 -0700
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Safety Equipment

Thanks Greg, I was starting to wonder, my 68 doesn't have the shoulder
belts either.

Tom Starkey '68 Cutlass Supreme

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

>
> >      Shoulder belts                     1968
>
> Did'ya know... that these belts actually were not required until Jan. 1,
> 1968? My '68, being an early (Sept./67) production car, does not have
> shoulder belts.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:29:03 -0600
From: "Dave Rench" <renchd@krause.com>
Subject: Re: brothers

I haven't taken the time yet to verify, but I read at one time (Bryceman's
Oldmobile FAQ I believe) that New Center Stamping in Detroit produces the
panels.  Their phone number was reported as (810)-239-9510.  It was also
reported that the manufacturer of floor pans, trunk pans etc for Year One,
etc. is Goodmark. Their phone number was listed as (770)339-8557 and the
contact name was Mike Grey.

As I said in the beginning I haven't verified any of this so it may be
inaccurate or outdated.  I would be curious to hear back from anybody who
makes an attempt to contact either company, so that I can update my info.

Dave

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> From: Boogah <Boogah@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: brothers
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 8:31 PM
>
> COUPE KING wrote:
> >
> > Aaron-
> > There is only one maker of GM authorized repro quarter panels. Fusick,
> > Brothers and Year One all sell the same part.
> > When I bought my quarters from Brothers 6-8 months ago, the right panel
was
> > out of stock. Steve got a panel from Year One--they had a supply-- and
sent it
> > to me when I was in a bind . There was no extra charge.
>
> Who is the one maker of GM authorized repro quarter panels?

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:26:31 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes

Tom,

I support the position of Greg in that 1972 may be the first year of
standard disc brakes for A bodies.  My '73 Cultlass had them standard, but
my '70 GS 455 Stage 1 had them as an accessory.  I changed my present '70 GS
455 from drums to discs.  Few '68-'69 442's actually had them and that
includes my '68 convertible.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>I wrote:
>
>> I believe that front disk brakes also became standard on all of the '68
>> A-bodied Oldsmobiles, except possibly for the budget-priced F-85.
>
>To which Greg Beaulieu   <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> replied:
>
>> Nope. I don't think they became standard until '72 or so. Both my '68 and
>> my pal Don's '68 W-30 have front drums (ugh).
>
>**************************
>
>I think that the front disk brakes actually became standard on most of the
>A-bodied Oldsmobiles in 1969.  The Cutlass Supreme which my father-in-law
>bought that year had them, and as I recall they were standard equipment.

>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:41:03 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes

- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 8:47 AM
Subject: A-Body Disk Brakes
>**************************
>
>I think that the front disk brakes actually became standard on most
of the
>A-bodied Oldsmobiles in 1969.

Nope. I just checked the 69 sales brochure and it lists power front
disc brakes as Opt. on all Olds models. I know my 69 doesn't have
them.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:00:28 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes

Sure?  My 70 Cutlass S had drums all the way around.

>I think that the front disk brakes actually became standard on most of the
>A-bodied Oldsmobiles in 1969.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:00:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: HEI/problems/FAQ

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: HEI/problems/FAQ


<snip>
>   The best way to find power for your HEI (at least it's how I've
done it
>on 20 or so conversions) is to take it from the fuse panel.  Get out
your
>test light and find one of the spare terminals which lights the test
light
>in both run (ignition key in "run" position) *AND* start (key in
start
>position).   Hook a wire from here to the HEI's "BAT" terminal and
you're
>set to go.
<snip>

Much thanks to everyone that helped with my HEI problem, You were dead
on with the suggestion about having the connection "hot" in the
"start" position. Before I got the posts on this, I had played with
the timing and suddenly the engine caught and fired up: but only after
I had released the ignition from "start". The timimg was way off at
this point so it backfired and quit. This incident baffled me until I
saw your posts. I still haven't finished it and got it running,
because now I have the fuel line off to replace it to. One of those
"mightaswells".
Thanks again to everybody. This List is Grrrreat.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:24:06 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds Brakes Question

The trick to this is to apply pressure to the caliper piston as you are
turning it in. The most expensive versions of the tool for this are a
combination of a piston compressor and a rotator. The cheaper versions
are usually a multi-sided box that fits onto a 3/8 inch extension. If
you have the cheap one you really have to push while you are turning.

The reason for this design is the way that the emergency brake is set
up. GM has been using this system for 20 years or so.

Hope this helps.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S

>The Chilton manual calls for a special tool which is used to rotate the
>piston clockwise until firmly seated.  I picked up the tool for him at
a
>local auto parts store but he is still having a very difficult time of
it.
>They barely move inward.
>
>Has anyone heard of such a thing?  The salesman at parts store says
many
>new GM and Ford products are going to this system.
>
>Thanks.
>jgill@idmi.com
>



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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:29:52 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: bob's 350 ID

>I find a regular car wash is very effective at degreasing, esp. if you use
a
>spray-on degreaser [e.g. kerosene] first.

I just finished this process on my 455 block, I first took the car to the
local car wash, soaked the motor with Castrol Super Clean, Bleche White,
Simple Green & the Carwash formula, let it sit for half an hour and then
rinsed the toxic combo off. Most of the goo came off but there were the
usual nooks & crannies, so I yanked the motor and slapped it on a stand,
hosed the whole thing with oven cleaner, let it sit for a couple of hours,
came back & scrubbed everywhere I could then went to town with the
Berrymans Carb cleaner...the result was a block that appeared to have been
vatted or blasted. Lots of work, but it looks great!

Overkill? Naaah just a little anal retentive (should that be hyphenated?).

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:01:46 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: Laura's motor again

>last I heard the Olds engine blue was hard to come by, what's the second
>choice?

Olds 455 Blue is readily available through Year One, I have a 68 with a
later model 455 in it, and since it is not the original motor, I had some
options as to what color to paint, I thought about the 400 Bronze but I
decided to go with a coordinating color (Red) instead of the correct color
(Blue). It ought to look cool with the chrome/black/aluminum combo I'll end
up with. Not original but pretty.

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv
Dallas

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:00:45 -0700
From: IKE <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: OLDSMOBILE

Chris Brown Witt wrote
Your "395558 2" block is the run-o-the mill 350 used from '68 to ??'78?
Solid main...........

Since when has an Oldsmobile been considered run-o-the-mill?  That's
reserved for Chev*'s

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:56:27 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes

Front disc brakes did not become standard on GM A bodies until 1973.
Certain models manufactured by the individual divisions may have had the
disc option included as standard equipment (for instance 1970 W-30 and
W-31 both came with non-power disc), but the A Body did not get rid of
front drums until '73.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S - manual 4 wheel drums
  (soon to be manual front disc)

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:18:22 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: RE: Sandblasting

This reply is for Hans, but I thought that some of the rest may be
interested also

Hans:
There are various types of blasters, but they can be split into two types,
siphon type and pressure pot. For serious work siphon blasters are IMHO,
'mickey mouse setups' compared to pressure pot blasters. They are fine for
cleaning really small parts, or cleaning up small rust spots like chips or
scratches on by panels during body work, but for cleaning off larger areas
or heavy rust, the pressure pot is the way to go.

I built a pressure pot sand blaster out of a propane tank, and it can be run
at varying degrees of efficiency depending on the nozzle selection or
compressor output as follows:

3/32" nozzle with 5hp single stage 10 cfm compressor gets approx 2 minutes
of blasting with sand, but with an 5 hp two stage18 CFM compressor it will
run steady at 115 psi until the sand runs out. With a 1/8" nozzle the 18 cfm
 compressor will runs steady, but only at about 75 psi. 95-100 psi seems to
be the minimum for good efficiency. Too low a pressure and you will use an
ungodly amount of sand.

My sand blaster cost me $160 CDN to build, and I copied a commercial unit,
using exactly the same components as them for everything except the tank and
guage, and thier price was around $350.

Siphon blasters have a place however, I will be buying a siphon blasting gun
to use in my blasting cabinet that I am going to build. The purpose for this
is to be able to reuse expensive media like plastic or glass beads for doing
small parts. So what if the siphon blaster takes longer to do the piece, I'm
re-using, not wasting the media.

For really delicate parts, I have used feed grade baking soda from a feed
store, with excellent results but the area outside the shop looked like a
snow storm hit in August!

If you want  instructions and plans on how to build one of these with a
propane tank using a die grinder and electric drill a metal hole saw, send
me your adress and I'll mail it.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass conv


>I'd like to do a little sandblasting to fix a some rust in the trunklid lip
and
>lower fenders on my 70 Cutlass and other small jobs in the future.
>Which Sandblaster should I get and where?
>How big a compressor will I need?
>Which medium would be best for this type of job?

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:31:42 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: OLDSMOBILE

IKE wrote:
>
> Chris Brown Witt wrote
> Your "395558 2" block is the run-o-the mill 350 used from '68 to ??'78?
> Solid main...........
>
> Since when has an Oldsmobile been considered run-o-the-mill?  That's
> reserved for Chev*'s

Well maybe he mean run-to-the mall.  :-)

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:52:06 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: A-Body Disk Brakes/ Suppliers and kits

All this talk about A-body discs has got me thinking. I'll be installing some
onto my '66 442 convert soon and was wondering if anybody's had any good or
bad experiences with any of the available kits. Prices all run the same,
$825-ish.

Comments?

Peter
CoupeKing

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Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:01:27 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: bob's 350 ID

They do work very well, especially if you're as fortunate as me to have one 
just
at the bottom of the hill which has a "foaming engine brush" attachment.  They
have a coin-op carpet shampooer too!

The problem I have with spray washes is that you have to drive there, thus
you're got a hot engine block that you're spraying water on.  Not the best idea
in my book.  I find that at home, on a cold engine, a can of spray degreaser
(the Gunk stuff works fine, but I have some other, roughly equivalent, stuff I
get free by the case from my dad) works just as well.  Spray on the engine
before you get it wet, let it sit 5-10 minutes, hose off.  Try to avoid 
spraying
directly into sensitive areas like the distributor (I'm not particularly 
careful
and I've never had a moisture problem).  Repeat if necessary.  I have an old
toilet scrubber brush that's great for reaching down and scrubbing off those
really dirty spots. (note to save spousal relations:  The key word there is
*OLD*, meaning has since been replaced :-).

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> I find a regular car wash is very effective at degreasing, esp. if you use a
> spray-on degreaser [e.g. kerosene] first.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                        '84 Hurst/Olds ª2118
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                       '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.            '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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