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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, June 11 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1305



Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Rockers part 2
Re: Non-olds, but please help!
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Olds Cutlass Hood Liner
Re: Is it possible?
Re: radio
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: first time out
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
78-88 G buckets & console mounts
First time out
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
Re: Is it possible?
UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Convert (3 on tree)
Swapmeet online
RE: 4.10 Gearing
Re: 67 Delta 88 convertible
Re: To Chris Sparks
Re: Is it possible?
Re: To Chris Sparks
last of the newbie questions
Re: To Chris Sparks
Calif Motor Vehicle Code Online
(list Nazi) Re: ADMIN: Urban Myths, etc.
I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio
Re: last of the newbie questions
RE: last of the newbie questions
Re: 67 pcs
RE: Is it possible?
Re: 4.10 Gearing
RE: Is it possible?
RE: 4.10 Gearing
Re: 4.10 Gearing
Re: I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio
roller rockers for edel. heads
Camshaft degreeing
RE: 4.10 Gearing
Re: 4.10 Gearing
Re: gauges.. (Lauren Eng.?)
Re: Paint Supplier
Re: H*lp!!! Need it in a HURRY!!
Re: ADMIN: Urban Myths, etc.
Re: 4.10 Gearing
Re: UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Convert (3 on tree)
E-mail rules
ST10 tranny 4sale
grill paint
Thanks for rocker info...
RE: Thanks for rocker info...
casting #
4-4-2 want to buy
80's Rallye Pac conversion (WAS: Is it possible?)
Re: Is it possible?
'84 Ciera
Re: roller rockers for edel. heads
Re: casting #

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:29:51 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Is it possible?

To anyone who may be able to help,

Hi out there. I am a proud owner of a 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic.
Although the car has high mileage, I purchased it over a 1987 Cutlass
Salon because I felt the car would be a harder find later on down the
road. It is in incredible shape and the price was just right. Besides,
it's the very last of the true G - body style as well as the 8 cylinder
and rear wheel drive (from what I've been told)

However, there are a few things I would like to change on the car and
I'm not really to sure if it can be done or if it is worth the time and
the money. So, my questions are as follows.

1. I would like to change the standard gauges for the Oldsmobile Rallye
instrument panel cluster. Is this possible?

2. I would like to remove the standard steering column and replace it
with an Oldsmobile floor mounted console with shifter as well as add a
sporty leather wrapped steering wheel.

3. Get rid of the standard bench seating and install Oldsmobile buckets.

4. Add a dual exhaust

Thanks in advance to all those who help.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:30:25 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

I too would like to know about the console in a bench seat car, as I will be
eventually transferring a Salon to a Supreme. Thanks

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:31:25 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Rockers part 2

I am probably answering my own question here, but when replacing the pivots,
don't I also need to replace the rocker arms because of wear pattern? And with
new rocker arms, don't I need new push rods? To complicate things, can I throw
in the fact that I have two different lengths of pushrods? The replacement
rods I bought are shorter by about 2 millimeters. Big deal? I have no idea. I
know I am wearing my welcome quite thin here, but the sun is out, and I want
to get my car back on the road before the weekend. Thanks again,
Kerry

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:24:27 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Non-olds, but please help!

Another place to check would be with your state inspection station. In PA
the rule is that as long as the rear bumper is no higher than 26 inches
from ground to the top of the bumper your ok. I used to know a guy that
made a 4x4 Pinto wagon. Stuck a Pinto body on an F250 chassis, lift kit ,
big ass tires, steps up to the "cab", the whole nine yards. (waste of
money, but that's my opinion). Made a lower bumper out of 1/4' plate steel
(left the Pinto bumper up top on the car) and had no problems with state
inspection or the cops.

just my couple pennies worth,
Randy



- ----------
> From: Daniel R. Gerow <dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu>
> To: Oldsmoblie List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Non-olds, but please help!
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 7:33 PM
>
> Hello all!
>
> I apologize for the subject matter being quite inappropriate for this
> forum, but I am in need of help.  Seeing as how many of us here can be
> considered for the lack of better terms "car guys" I need to pose this
> question.  I recently purchased a '78 F*rd F-150 and I've been doing
> work to it regularly.  Its been lifted by about 6 inches and has 35"
> BFG's.  I live in Massachusetts, and I need to find out if anyone knows
> off-hand or could point me to someone who knows the laws regarding
> height limitations on trucks.  Now, I have been in contact with State
> Troopers, local police, people at the Registry and the DOT and so far I
> have got about 6-8 different answers.  I have had problems with this
> situation before with my Bronco (i'll never learn).  If anyone has any
> info, even if it is for another state, I would really appreciate it.
> Thank you in advance, and again, I apologize for the off-subject post
> again.
>
> Daniel R. Gerow
> Soon to be incarcerated by "the Man" for too much vehicular fun...
>
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Daniel R. Gerow
> WSHL General Manager
> http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
> http://wwww.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
> ---------------------------------
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:38:57 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

At 12:29 AM 6/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>To anyone who may be able to help,
>
>1. I would like to change the standard gauges for the Oldsmobile Rallye
>instrument panel cluster. Is this possible?
>
>2. I would like to remove the standard steering column and replace it
>with an Oldsmobile floor mounted console with shifter as well as add a
>sporty leather wrapped steering wheel.
>
>3. Get rid of the standard bench seating and install Oldsmobile buckets.
>
>4. Add a dual exhaust
>
>Thanks in advance to all those who help.
>James,

Yes, to all four.If you need the wiring process for converting,hit me
direct at:
super442@mindspring.com

John
super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:45:24 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

>
>I too would like to know about the console in a bench seat car, as I
will be
>eventually transferring a Salon to a Supreme. Thanks





i just put in a console in my olds today ,not a prob,next the seats!

Ryan.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:47:22 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

          HATE TO RUB SALT IN A WOUND, BUT IF YOU WOULD HAVE OPTED FOR THE 87
SALON, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT, AS THE SALON CAME STANDARD
WITH ALL THOSE OPTIONS.....EXCEPT FOR THE DUALS.  AND, YOU CAN VERY EASILY GET
DUAL EXHAUST BY EITHER GOING TO AN EXHAUST SHOP, OR ORDERING THE ACTUAL PIECES
FROM AN OLDS DEALERSHIP (85-87 442, 83-84 H/O).

                                  DAN EDWARDS
                                  70 C/S CONV
                                  87 SALON

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:03:32 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

super442@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> >James,
>
> Yes, to all four.If you need the wiring process for converting,hit me
> direct at:
> super442@mindspring.com
>
> John
> super442@mindspring.com
> John McJunkin
> 1985 Cutlass------T-tops
> 1984 Cutlass------Moonroof
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)

John,

Thanks for the response, I sincerely appreciate it. I just purchased the
car a few months ago and little by little, I'm changing it around to my
likings. I made a list of what I want to change and so far, I purchased
brand new 14" factory mags and I am now in the process of purchasing the
Rallye instrument panel. I found a pretty good used parts dealer who can
often get new parts as with the 14" mags.

Any information you can provide would really be a big help. If there is
a price for the information, please quote me one and just one other
question if I may, are the conversions very difficult?

I think I should have just bought a 442 since that is my dream car and
it would have saved me a lot of time converting.

Oh, and I read your message about sending everyone a picture. Well, I
never receive it but if it's of a 442, I would appreciate an attachment.

Thanks again,

Jimmy

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:01:23 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

Do all the Cutlass bodies around '86 have the floor set up for either bench or
buckets, and a console, or do you have to screw them into the sheet metal?

Dorian

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:06:09 -0700
From: Mike Lias <mlias@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Cutlass Hood Liner

Steve Ochs wrote:

> Message text written by Angel
> >A friend of mine recently bought one for his '87 Grand National (original)
> from our local GM dealer (Simpson Olds/Buick in Downey, Ca).... I asked
> if they had one for my '86 442, and the guy said yeah.... It cost him about
> $100....<
>
> I just bought one for my 1987 and it was $23.   The GN has a special one
> with a logo on it, the 442 just uses the standard Cutlass liner
>
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
> Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
> The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
> statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
> '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8          '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8


You bought one for a GN or 442? $23??? If it was for a 442, let me know where
I can get one.... Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:09:44 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com wrote:
>
>           HATE TO RUB SALT IN A WOUND, BUT IF YOU WOULD HAVE OPTED FOR THE 87
> SALON, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT, AS THE SALON CAME STANDARD
> WITH ALL THOSE OPTIONS.....EXCEPT FOR THE DUALS.  AND, YOU CAN VERY EASILY 
GET
> DUAL EXHAUST BY EITHER GOING TO AN EXHAUST SHOP, OR ORDERING THE ACTUAL 
PIECES
> FROM AN OLDS DEALERSHIP (85-87 442, 83-84 H/O).
>
>                                   DAN EDWARDS
>                                   70 C/S CONV
>                                   87 SALON

Thanks and I know, I know. Everyone tells me the same thing but the
Salon I was looking at was a bit out of my price range and I was also
hoping that the 88 Classic would be worth a little more later on in
life. Besides, what I truly want is a 1987 442 and I found one, but the
guy wanted $12,000.

I almost fell on the floor!

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:12:44 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: radio

Mark Hahn wrote:

In my honest opinion, I'd suggest Sony--they make some of the best
decks, and at somewhat reasonable prices.  Unless you're running a full
system (w/ subwoofer), you'll really benefit from the "D-Bass" feature.
Even with stock speakers, you'll notice quite a difference.

If Sony isn't quite what you're looking for, take a look at the new
Panasonic Rebel series.  I bought one about a month ago for my Celica,
and it's great.  It's got every last feature you could ask for--and then
some.  They're in the same price range as most mid-level Sony's...

S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:15:23 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
> Do all the Cutlass bodies around '86 have the floor set up for either bench 
or
> buckets, and a console, or do you have to screw them into the sheet metal?
>
> Dorian

Dorian,

From what I understand, replacing the bench seating with buckets
requires removing the bench (obviously) and having to reconfigure the
railings for the buckets. Someone told me that they are closer together
in length, so drilling into the floor is a must.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:28:56 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

Thanks for the reply...guess it would be nice to find a Salon frame/body in
good shape, but don't see too many lying around! I have a little thing about
bolting stuff, to say the sheetmetal, when it involves something like the
seats! Would be nice to find something with the holes already there. Was the
console an option on the Supremes in the '78-88 models?

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:01:57 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: first time out

I am from Calgary, Alberta.  You are right, there is a lot of Cutlasses
with 305s.  I myself looked for a Cutlass to drop my 455 in instead of in
the Delta and all the ones I liked came had 305s, though many I looked at
(around 50%) had 307.  The reason why I wanted a 307 one is couse they come
with the BOP case trannys and stuff, and couse with my experience that
motor is bulletproof.  The Delta 307 came close to 400,000kms befoure it
broke the timing chain(should have changed the chain a while ago, but
wanted another motor anyways).  At this time it was NOT burning any oil or
anything.  No knock either.  The 307 in the Regency has a 307/TH200R4/2.56
gears/every option.  With the sunroof, power everything and all the toys,
plus a longer car, the Regency is lots heavier then the Delta.  But
regardless, the 307 has 230,000kms and still runs like new.  I have not had
to reset the timing for more then 40,000 at all, which with the streched
timing chain in the Delta I had to.  The Regency burns no oil.  I should
also mention that it is a propane powered car. This helps the engine live
longer as well.  But that Impala my uncle had I mentioned, he got rid of
the car for $250 because he is a stupid F**K.  The reason why he sold it is
because it needed new tires, all the electronics were starting to go, like
the heater fan, lights would not come on, brake lights often did not work,
etc.  BUT the motor and tranny ran like a dream.  200,000 + kms and was
good.  He bought a new car and did not need this one.  Moron, I would have
bought it and fixed it.  Drive it right and that 305 will go for a while.
Look at some of the taxis, they drive the 305s for quite a while.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
From: Ryan Hehn <ryanh@mb.sympatico.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: first time out
Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 8:34 PM


>What part of Canada?  I'm in Manitoba and 99% of the G-bodies with v/8s
I've
>seen have the 305 (earlier had the 267).  The Canadian market always seems
>to get dumped on.
>
>When I was looking for a Cutlass 3 years ago I only came across one with
the 307.
>Didn't buy that one for various reasons...  I would've taken either
engine, but didn't
>have much choice.  The 305 I have has 226k (kms) and still runs great
(knock on
>wood).
>
>Ryan

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:35:07 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

"snip"
<Do all the Cutlass bodies around '86 have the floor set up for either bench
or
buckets, and a console, or do you have to screw them into the sheet metal?>

Dorian,
When you take the bench out, there are holes in the floorboard for both the
bench and bucket seats....or at least there were in my buddies regal....and
my friend's 81 cutlass.  It should be no problem....the only thing you might
have to do is pull the carpet up and find where the holes will be so you
know where to cut the holes for the new bolts....I've done this.  It's
actually really easy....If you use 442 buckets...you will be very pleased
with the results.  Hope this helps you out.

Gib Loudon (a.k.a. "The Rocketman")
1969 Cutlass "S" Holiday Coupe
Check out Cutlass Net at:
http://apollo.kettering.edu/~loud5269
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:43:34 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

Gib, thanks for the info! Just what i wanted to hear. I already have all the
stuff out of my Salon, just need a ost car for all the parts! Thanks again,
Dorian

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:02:09 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 78-88 G buckets & console mounts

I've seen a few posts now about this, so I'd better step in.

> When you take the bench out, there are holes in the floorboard for both the
> bench and bucket seats....or at least there were in my buddies regal....and
> my friend's 81 cutlass.  It should be no problem....

Wrong.  The bench seat uses the same outer brackets, but the buckets and split
bench seats use an additional set of brackets.  These pedastal brackets are
spotwelded to the floorboards, you won't find any holes or markings on an
original floorboard.  Correct way is to drill out spot welds on donor brackets,
and reweld to new body, after tedious hours of measuring.  Simply bolting seat
to the floor will result in sloped seats, and severe back pain (don't ask)  
Same
goes with the console, the floor shift cars had two or three brackets spot
welded onto the tranny hump for the console to bolt up to.  I can't remember if
there's any boss for the floor shift cable hole to drill out, haven't gone that
far on mine, yet.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:20:16 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: First time out

... it is a propane powered car. This helps the engine live
longer as well.
************************************************************

Igor,

Was your car already converted to propane when you bought it, or did you
convert it?  And if so, how did you do it?

There was a program here to convert city vehicles to propane here in
Austin, TX.  Also, most of the city buses are propane, it isn't cheap
initially, but I also heard that maintenance is cheaper.  Last I heard
no more propane buses were being purchased, because of high initial
outlay ($$$$big bucks=tax dollars).  In Texas propane is relatively
inexpensive.  Hmmmmm, alternative fuel.

Anyone have any comments.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast," getting inspected soon.
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.  "Run it 'till
the antennae is the only thing sticking up from the dirt."


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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:42:04 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

          I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT CURRENT PRICES.  SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE
SELLING MID-EIGHTIES G.N.'S, 442'S, AND S.S.'S ARE ASKING STUPID MONEY FOR
THEM....ESPECIALLY THE G.N.'S.  I DON'T KNOW IF THE 1988 CUTLASS WILL BE WORTH
ANY MORE THAN THE 1987....I GUESS ONLY TIME WILL TELL.  GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR
CAR, THOUGH!!

                                                 DAN EDWARDS

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:46:17 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

          YES, THE CONSOLE WAS AN OPTION FOR 78-88 CUTLASSES, AND, AS A MATTER
OF FACT, THE CONSOLE, SHIFTER, AND GUAGES ARE THE SAME FOR THOSE YEARS OF
CUTLASSES....ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING BETWEEN THE 3 SPD AND O.D. AUTOMATICS.

                                 DAN EDWARDS

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:15:23 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

At 01:01 AM 6/11/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Do all the Cutlass bodies around '86 have the floor set up for either
bench or
>buckets, and a console, or do you have to screw them into the sheet metal?
>

>Dorian
>Dorian,Slight mods required for bench seat cars,60/40 seat is bolt
in.console needs to be secred however.
John
super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:29:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Convert (3 on tree)

Not on the list but an interesting question; respond to SPINALMAN@aol.com
if you know the answer.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<SPINALMAN@aol.com>
Subject: 1972 Cutlass

     I have a 1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible that I purchased new in 1972.
It runs great and I have logged over 272,000 miles.  Same engine.
     I know I have a rare car.  It has a manual three speed transmission, ON
THE COLUMN.  Does anyone have information telling how many Cutlass's were made
with 3-on-the-tree for the 1972 model year?
Jan H. Gerhart
Lancaster, PA

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:25:09 -0300
From: <partfinder@compuserve.com>
Subject: Swapmeet online

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:22 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: 4.10 Gearing

Dave do you think it would be worth it to put a 4.10 in my 71 Cutlass?
How much of a differance in time would it be?


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	David L Wyatt[SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 10, 1998 3:05 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: 4.10 Gearing
>
> I have 3.42 gears in my car with 235-60R14 (about 25.5 inches tall) tires.
> With the close ratio 4 speed , W-30 cam, and a single plane intake the car
> is
> a little cumbersome  for city driving and I would like to switch to 4.10
> gears.  If I did switch I would go with a taller street tire (around 28
> inches) because my current tires would have the engine turning well over
> 3000
> rpm at 60mph.  I had a set of 4.10s in another car once.  I used 26 inch
> tall
> slicks at the strip and 28 inch tall tires (255-70R15) on the street.  I
> had
> the best of both worlds or as close as I could get.  You have to decide
> what
> you want the most, easy cruising or performance.  Of course with the 4.10s
> you
> can select tires that put your engine in your rpm range of choice, the
> 3.42s
> limit you somewhat.
>
> My $.02
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:34:01 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Delta 88 convertible

hay peter...how did the other wheel i gave you work out??????

jeff..

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:00:54 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: To Chris Sparks

Hi Raul,

> Soory but I can get you from your e-mail, so please post in this general list
your advice of a good original paint supplier for OLDS. Thanks. Raul.

I use an individual out here in California, however, due to the sensitive
nature of the paint business, I can only give his name to individuals directly.
I don't want any problems going his way, if you know what I mean.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:55:28 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

Gib Loudon wrote:

> "snip"
> <Do all the Cutlass bodies around '86 have the floor set up for either bench
> or
> buckets, and a console, or do you have to screw them into the sheet metal?>

Is this true for the 68 442s?

Chris Sparks

Remember to vote for Frosty! :-)

http://151.196.92.129/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:38:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: To Chris Sparks

I am interested in original paint suppliers too, so why don't you answer
to the list right away, chris. Thanks!

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental (like new, everyday driver, FOR SALE!)
- --------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Raul Martinez wrote:

> Dear Chris:
>
> 	Soory but I can get you from your e-mail, so please post in this =
> general list your advice of a good original paint supplier for OLDS. =
> Thanks. Raul.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:09:22 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: last of the newbie questions

Before I replace my rocker assemblies with the original bridged pivots, I
would like a few opininions. First, is Magnum the only Olds roller rocker
available? It is the only one I can find in Jegs. If it is the only one made,
is it worth the money?

I went to a parts store and they wanted about $10 for each HD pivot. Plus I
need 16 rockers arms, and 16 bolts, since I have studs. I would also be
replacing my push rods. All this would probably set me back $150. With Magnums
only being $138 you can see my reason for stalling on this project.

Are there any other mods needed to install Magnums? Are they studded or bolted
to the head? What type of pivot do they use? Am I hopeless? Thanks again,
Kerry

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:18:06 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: To Chris Sparks

George wrote:

> I am interested in original paint suppliers too, so why don't you answer
> to the list right away, chris. Thanks!

I will do so after I contact the vendor.  I want to see if it would be ok
with him.
He is a little skiddish with global announcements, he is wary of big brother
(aka government).  I promise to let the list know either way.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:26:32 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Calif Motor Vehicle Code Online

While this certainly won't help everyone on the list, the California DMV
has its motor vehicle code on line.  Find it at the following:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:43:25 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: (list Nazi) Re: ADMIN: Urban Myths, etc.

jeez... if these people actually thought they were trying to help, why
not give them a warning before booting them off the list.  It just
sounds pretty harsh, like the soup nazi from Seinfield, "No list for
you!"


- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:53:29 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio

I know this isn't the audio list, but I have a cheap Pioneer (about
$300) head unit CD player with removable face.  I can't even get it to
skip zooming over railroad tracks that shake the car REALLY bad.  My
brother had it in his truck for a year, and it's been in my car for
two, all without any problems.  I've seen problems with other people's
Alpine's and Kenwood's.

Just my 2 cents.

- -greg


- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: radio


>Mark Hahn wrote:
>
>In my honest opinion, I'd suggest Sony--they make some of the best
>decks, and at somewhat reasonable prices.  Unless you're running a
full
>system (w/ subwoofer), you'll really benefit from the "D-Bass"
feature.
>Even with stock speakers, you'll notice quite a difference.
>
>If Sony isn't quite what you're looking for, take a look at the new
>Panasonic Rebel series.  I bought one about a month ago for my
Celica,
>and it's great.  It's got every last feature you could ask for--and
then
>some.  They're in the same price range as most mid-level Sony's...
>
>S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:52:35 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: last of the newbie questions

FWIW, I had a set of the Magnum roller rockers on a non Olds.  I loved them!!
When the Olds gets its next  fresh engine I will use them on it.  In fact I
will use Competition Cams entire package.  I have used their cams and kits
before and I really like their products.

This was not a paid endorsement, but I wish it was.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:00:15 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: last of the newbie questions

Disco I am using the Magnums on my Olds. I got them from Summit Racing. You
should call them to get more information too. They are studded and the
package comes with the studs, bolts, push rods and the plate to hold the
push rods. I forgot the name of the plate though. It is worth the money
though. I am very pleased.


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	DiscoOzzy@aol.com[SMTP:DiscoOzzy@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:09 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	last of the newbie questions
>
> Before I replace my rocker assemblies with the original bridged pivots, I
> would like a few opininions. First, is Magnum the only Olds roller rocker
> available? It is the only one I can find in Jegs. If it is the only one
> made,
> is it worth the money?
>
> I went to a parts store and they wanted about $10 for each HD pivot. Plus
> I
> need 16 rockers arms, and 16 bolts, since I have studs. I would also be
> replacing my push rods. All this would probably set me back $150. With
> Magnums
> only being $138 you can see my reason for stalling on this project.
>
> Are there any other mods needed to install Magnums? Are they studded or
> bolted
> to the head? What type of pivot do they use? Am I hopeless? Thanks again,
> Kerry
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:03:08 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: 67 pcs

I can get the support with the hood latch.
Also my car has gone through 3 wiper motors but since Western Auto, Parts
America (Sears) has a lifetime guarantee, no money was spent after the
initial.
Buy sell Trade?
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; me from myself
<wittchri@pilot>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 6:50 PM
Subject: 67 pcs


>Hey;
>     Does anybody have the bar that runs up from the lower core support to
>the upper and has the hood latch built in for a 67 442\cutlass? I need one
>and my car is just about ready for paint and the front end re-installed.
>Any guidence would be appreciated.Also,how about a windshield wiper motor?
>I know that year one (or sombody)sells new or reman,but I have spent enough
>money already,and I can always Rain-x,since you can't drive somthing like
>this in the IN winter,anyway.Also,I am looking for a rear bumper for a 442
>67.Mine is not damaged(much)but rusty,as far as the chrome on it.I know I
>can buy rechromed,but as I said with the motor,I rather not.
>           I am also having trouble putting my power steering on the 455
>with 425 heads and intake.All the holes are there,but it doesn't line up as
>I remember. Thanks Tony
>
>------------------------------
>I can probably help, mail me back. Digest... what you gonna do?
>
>--
>Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
>1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
>Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>--
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:28:50 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: Is it possible?

Tell me about it!!! Here in Puerto Rico the average asking price on a GN is
about $9,000-$11,000. I got my '86 442 T-top for $4500 but it needed some
work (still working on it) and about the same time the ad for the one I
bought came out, another came out asking $8000 for an '87 422 (no T-top)
which the guy said was in "good"condition. I'm starting to think that our
Performance G-bodies are getting either more recognition or more rare.

Angel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 5:42 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Is it possible?
>
>
>           I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT CURRENT PRICES.  SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE
> SELLING MID-EIGHTIES G.N.'S, 442'S, AND S.S.'S ARE ASKING STUPID MONEY FOR
> THEM....ESPECIALLY THE G.N.'S.  I DON'T KNOW IF THE 1988 CUTLASS
> WILL BE WORTH
> ANY MORE THAN THE 1987....I GUESS ONLY TIME WILL TELL.  GOOD LUCK
> WITH YOUR
> CAR, THOUGH!!
>
>                                                  DAN EDWARDS
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:36:07 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

What gears are you running now?
Randy

- ----------

> Dave do you think it would be worth it to put a 4.10 in my 71 Cutlass?
> How much of a differance in time would it be?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:58:46 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: RE: Is it possible?

Nice car!  Yes, all of these things are possible.  Having an '88 you may be
in luck.  I heard somewhere that law requires car makers to carry parts for
their cars for 10 years, which means that GM Should still have these parts
available (God, has it been 10 years already since the last real
Cutlass!?!).  It may not be the last RWD V8 by Olds, they made the RWD 98
up through a year or two ago (I saw the last one my local dealer ever had
on the lot), but I'm not positive it had a V8 (I wasn't too interested in
the bubbly-looking land barge, if I'm gonna drive a land barge it'd better
have lots of chrome and distinctive lines, convertable would be a plus).

1.  Easy.  See the olds FAQ on 442.com for wiring details.  Lots of people
have done this.

Q for the list:  I have a G-body rallye gauge cluster that I picked up for
next to nothing that I may put in the '78.  Only problem is that the gauge
cluster is from a _diesel_.  Other than the 4k redline on the tach, "diesel
fuel only" logos, and the few extra lights, will this cluster still
function the same as a gas one?

2,3.  I hope you're going to replace that steering column you remove with
another one, otherwise the car will be a tad hard to drive :-)  Anyhow,
yes, also possible.  For #2 and #3 you may be best off finding a parts car
with buckets and a center console to swap across.

4.  True duals, you may have to go custom.  For semi-dual exhaust (1 cat,
Y's into 2 muffs), that's easy.  The 442 and H/O 2" (or is it 2.25"?)
system is still available new from GM.  Walker makes an identical system.
 Hooker makes a 2.5" cat-back system that even comes with a test pipe to
replace the cat.  There's pictures on my web page at
www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

- ----------
From:  James E. O'Donnell[SMTP:CaIlaway@sprintmail.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:30 PM
To:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:  Is it possible?

1. I would like to change the standard gauges for the Oldsmobile Rallye
instrument panel cluster. Is this possible?

2. I would like to remove the standard steering column and replace it
with an Oldsmobile floor mounted console with shifter as well as add a
sporty leather wrapped steering wheel.

3. Get rid of the standard bench seating and install Oldsmobile buckets.

4. Add a dual exhaust

Thanks in advance to all those who help.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:12:11 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: 4.10 Gearing

I am runing 3.42s right now


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	Randy A. Geisel[SMTP:RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:36 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: 4.10 Gearing
>
> What gears are you running now?
> Randy
>
> ----------
>
> > Dave do you think it would be worth it to put a 4.10 in my 71 Cutlass?
> > How much of a differance in time would it be?
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:18:01 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

Better be a high revving small block.
A 455 would never get a chance to use all of it's torque.
The more mechanical advantage you use (4:10) the less output
you get; however, with an engine that produces more HP than torque
substantially, 4.10 may be right for you.
my opinion.
Brett
67 Cutlass Convertible
- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy A. Geisel <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing


>What gears are you running now?
>Randy
>
>----------
>
>> Dave do you think it would be worth it to put a 4.10 in my 71 Cutlass?
>> How much of a differance in time would it be?
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:18:42 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
>
> I know this isn't the audio list, but I have a cheap Pioneer (about
> $300) head unit CD player with removable face.  I can't even get it to
> skip zooming over railroad tracks that shake the car REALLY bad.  My
> brother had it in his truck for a year, and it's been in my car for
> two, all without any problems.  I've seen problems with other people's
> Alpine's and Kenwood's.

The main reason most CD players skip is the mounting angle. If you have
too much, the unit will skip easier. I have Alpine, and mine goes on
fishing expeditions over some bad roads and I have also had no problems.
Most installers look at making the customer happy instead of doing it
right.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:40:08 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: roller rockers for edel. heads

I also have Comp cams roller rocker kit on my 350, they work fine.
When I build my 455 with edelbrock heads I want to use them on it to.
I think the only difference is that I would need the longer pushrods.
Does that sound right?

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: 'DiscoOzzy@aol.com' <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: last of the newbie questions


>Disco I am using the Magnums on my Olds. I got them from Summit
Racing. You
>should call them to get more information too. They are studded and
the
>package comes with the studs, bolts, push rods and the plate to hold
the
>push rods. I forgot the name of the plate though. It is worth the
money
>though. I am very pleased.
>
>
>===========================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
>===========================
>
>> ----------
>> From: DiscoOzzy@aol.com[SMTP:DiscoOzzy@aol.com]
>> Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:09 AM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: last of the newbie questions
>>
>> Before I replace my rocker assemblies with the original bridged
pivots, I
>> would like a few opininions. First, is Magnum the only Olds roller
rocker
>> available? It is the only one I can find in Jegs. If it is the only
one
>> made,
>> is it worth the money?
>>
>> I went to a parts store and they wanted about $10 for each HD
pivot. Plus
>> I
>> need 16 rockers arms, and 16 bolts, since I have studs. I would
also be
>> replacing my push rods. All this would probably set me back $150.
With
>> Magnums
>> only being $138 you can see my reason for stalling on this project.
>>
>> Are there any other mods needed to install Magnums? Are they
studded or
>> bolted
>> to the head? What type of pivot do they use? Am I hopeless? Thanks
again,
>> Kerry
>>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:42:04 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Camshaft degreeing

Patrick,

Degreeing your cam shouldn't be too much trouble with the heads on, the trick
is to get an accurate reference of TDC on #1 cylinder.  I'm going to make a
piston stop from an old spark plug shell and tap the inside for a bolt that I
can get to go down and contact the piston top.  As for the cam lobes on #1,
you could use the dial indicator down in the lifter valley right on the
lifter, or get an extension that will allow you to go down the pushrod hole to
the lifter.  But don't use the pushrod, it will move around too much and not
be as accurate.

Hope this helps,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:43:52 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: 4.10 Gearing

So you're saying because my engine has way more torque than horsepower that
I should stick with the 3.42 gearing?


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	Brett Wilson[SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:18 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: 4.10 Gearing
>
> Better be a high revving small block.
> A 455 would never get a chance to use all of it's torque.
> The more mechanical advantage you use (4:10) the less output
> you get; however, with an engine that produces more HP than torque
> substantially, 4.10 may be right for you.
> my opinion.
> Brett
> 67 Cutlass Convertible
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy A. Geisel <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing
>
>
> >What gears are you running now?
> >Randy
> >
> >----------
> >
> >> Dave do you think it would be worth it to put a 4.10 in my 71 Cutlass?
> >> How much of a differance in time would it be?
> >
> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:01:32 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

I'll throw my two cents in here too...I would stick with the 3.42's myself.
3.42 is a pretty good compromise on efficiency vs acceleration.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:01:48 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: gauges.. (Lauren Eng.?)

In a message dated 98-06-09 23:30:59 EDT, you write:

<<
 >Sorry for the misinformation guys. I double checked my speedo and it is an
 >85mph model. I guess I was dreaming it had the 120mph version.
 >
 >Angel
  >>

I though at one time (a year, or more ago) this subject came up and someone
said that Lauren Eng. made replacement speedos for the newer bodies.  I know
there was some mention of them making them for the Monte Carlos (and that
style not fitting into the Cutlass, which was a smaller dia.)., but didn't I
remember someone saying they made them for the Cutlass also?

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:22:53 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Supplier

Hi all,

I have talked with the Paint Supply vendor today and he says it is
ok to give out his name and business contact information to this
list.  The guy is a real nice individual and has some exposure to
Oldsmobiles.  His brother use to own a Nocturne Blue Olds (442 I
think).  He is also to manufactor spray cans of paint as well.
He sells paint by the gallon and is pretty accurate in matching
colors.  He also uses PPG paints.  He was able to match my paint
given the PPG color code/chip identifier.  I compared my floor
pan to the color on the exterior and what a match!  Anyways his
information follows:

GE Auto Paints & Supplies
2403 E. Anaheim St.
Long Beach, CA  90804
Phone: 562-433-0915
Fax:   562-621-1541
Owner: Gary Elliott (Hence the acronym above! :-)
Specializes in: PPG Paints, 3M Products, Body Shop Supplies
Other info off his card: Ditzler Auto Finishes, Western Paints

For those of you who don't live in California, there should be
no EPA problems shooting a car with these materials.  For those
of us who are, contact me directly and we can talk.  He doesn't
currently do shipping but he is willing to find avenues to get
the stuff to the buyer.  Either he will ship or maybe you can
get a buddy to ship.  Tell him that "Teal Frost" sent you.
He remembers colors better than names.  Go figure! :-)

Sorry for the length of this e-mail.  Hope it is informative.

BTW: If you haven't voted for Frosty yet please do so at:

http://151.196.92.129/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html

Thanks and Frosty appreciates your support!

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:32:58 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: H*lp!!! Need it in a HURRY!!

In a message dated 98-06-10 20:48:02 EDT, you write:
<<
 Jim
         The ONLY way that rod fell back into the pan is if the oil pump is
 not on the engine. I've seen it come out with the distributor if someone
 didn't install the rod clip, but never fall into the pan. It's held into the
 engine by the oil pump. It can not go down to the pan if that pump is there.
 Jim Chermack

 At 05:15 PM 6/10/1998 EDT, you wrote:
 >H*lp!!  I was taking my distributor out when I heard the silver rod that is
on
 >the bottom of the distributor fall into my oil pan. The engine is on a stand
>snip<
WHY WOULD THAT ROD FALL INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE OIL PAN? Is there something I
did wrong with the distributor? >>

Agreed, I was thinking "There is an opening for oil to drain off, etc. near
the cam/distrib. gear, but how in the hell >could< it fall through there....".
I'm wondering the same thing as you (was there an oil pump on there, but if
not, it should have fallen out well before this time, right?).  Did the rod
just fall back into it's bore/right place?  It should protrude up into the
distributor opening somewhat, but not too far.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:44:33 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Urban Myths, etc.

In a message dated 98-06-10 23:28:53 EDT, you write:

<<
 A bad day on the list today: 2 different (now former) members sent one of
 those bogus "Warning! Email Virus" things to the list. Note, that I said
 "former".

 PLEASE do not forward this stuff here. As of now, doing so is cause for
 instant dismissal.

 On top of that, a pic got sent to the list tonight too, apparently by
 accident. An apology will likely follow. Mr. Witt will soon be cranky
 again... ;-)

 Please read Charley Buehner's listfaq posted earlier and try to follow
 those guidelines. Thanks!

 Greg Beaulieu >>

Something that is done on a Newgroup I read is that they have a "FAQ" message
sent out once per day labeled with "FAQ: For new subscribers" on it in the
title.  Basically what this does is once per day this message goes out saying
where the FAQ for this Newsgroup is for information on the NG.  Is this
something we could use that could not only state where a FAQ is, but also just
a couple brief lines on subbing/unsubbing from the list?  This could be a
short message, be once per day, and properly titled so people (Hey Mr. Witt!
:-), and yes, I do it myself...) could delete it/ignore it.  Maybe this could
reduce the "problems" we are encountering?

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:43:24 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

For drag racing a mild 455, 4.11s are a good choice.  You want the engine to
reach peak rpm at the finish.  With 3.42 gears you do not get the car (3500
lbs. +) moving as quickly as possible and you don't peak out the motor at the
end.  For a small block I would recommend 4.56s or 4.88s.  Remember, 4.11
gears used to be common in a lot of cars with manual transmissions, while
automatic equipped cars got the gears in the mid 3s.  Only since the "oil
crisis" of the mid 70s (back when we had sensible speed limits) have we seen
all of these econo gear ratios used.  Plus with the stiffer 4.11s you can use
tire size to fine tune your overall ratio.  With 3.42s you already use fairly
short tires and going taller only lugs things down.

Dave Wyatt
(who wishes he had 4.11s or at least 3.91s)
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:50:00 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Convert (3 on tree)

In a message dated 98-06-11 08:28:11 EDT, you write:

<<      I have a 1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible ...  It has a manual three
speed transmission, ON  THE COLUMN.
  >>

I don't know how many were made but I hade a 71 Lemans Sport Convertable with
a 3 on the tree.   I loved taking people for rides because I would shift into
first, take off really hard, threaten to throw the car into park, then shift
into second.   I made many a woman (and several guys) nearly jump out of their
skins when they saw me put the shifter in a position that should have been
park.

On the other hand, I always wanted a 4 speed.  It seemed like no matter what I
did I was either bogiing the engine or over revving it.   That and the fact
that 3-speeds are notorious for locking between gears.  I embarrased myself in
front of many a woman(and several guys) by having to crawl under the part to
free a hung up shifter linkage.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:51:11 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: E-mail rules

Here's a "List" of "E-mail rules" that was sent to me from someone else.  I'd
say it applies really well here (right Mr. Witt?).  Maybe the FAQ message I
mentioned before could contain these "rules".

Chris Ruper

The Ten Commandments of E-mail
(Author unknown)

Thou shalt include a clear and specific subject line.

Thou shalt edit any quoted text down to the minimum thou needest.

Thou shalt read thine own message thrice before thou sendest it.

Thou shalt ponder how thy recipient might react to thy message.

Thou shalt check thy spelling and thy grammar.

Thou shalt not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS.

Thou shalt not forward any chain letter.

Thou shalt not use e-mail for any illegal or unethical purpose.

Thou shalt not rely on the privacy of e-mail, especially from work.

When in doubt, save thy message overnight and reread it in the light of the
dawn.

And, here's the "Golden Rule" of E-mail:

That which thou findest hateful to receive, sendest thou not unto others.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:22:33 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: ST10 tranny 4sale

I have a GM ST10 tranny 4 speed with a 342 first gear. It has a bad lower
cluster and second gear. I want to get rid of it make me an offer. The tranny
was rebuilt before the gear went bye bye. EM me private. Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:32:10 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: grill paint

On a 1972 442 what are the two colors on the grill  ,and who makes them ?.
Is the taillight fins the same color as the black on the grill ?
and are the trim ring around the headlights painted to match the car or
chrome?
T.I.A
Rick
1972 442

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:54:34 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Thanks for rocker info...

To all that replied to the Magnum rocker Q, thanks. I know that it can be
boring for some of you vetrens to the list to have to read to the same old
questions that are posted over and over again. Is there a copy of the digests
online that can be searched for content instead, so a guy like me can catch
up?
I guess I'm gonna check summit for their kit, then I'll work from there.
Thanks again,
Kerry

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:05:27 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Thanks for rocker info...

Hey, that's what this is all about, people helping people.



===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	DiscoOzzy@aol.com[SMTP:DiscoOzzy@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:54 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Thanks for rocker info...
>
> To all that replied to the Magnum rocker Q, thanks. I know that it can be
> boring for some of you vetrens to the list to have to read to the same old
> questions that are posted over and over again. Is there a copy of the
> digests
> online that can be searched for content instead, so a guy like me can
> catch
> up?
> I guess I'm gonna check summit for their kit, then I'll work from there.
> Thanks again,
> Kerry
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:43:13 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: casting #

Is there any way of telling the difference between a  1970 w-30 455 and
just a regular 455 , the casting # on the left side of the block is
30M248278  is there another # somewhere else that gives you more info?
T.I.A.
Rick
1972 442

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:08:38 -0400
From: Mickey Liera <mickeyliera@earthlink.net>
Subject: 4-4-2 want to buy

I am looking to buy a 1970-1971 4-4-2 W-30 convertible, Must be
automatic, (dual gate), number matching, fully restored car.  Please
list all options and restoration history.

Return mail to Chris Coyne at: mickeyliera@earthlink.net
or call 813-935-4211

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:17:16 -0400
From: "Mike R." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 80's Rallye Pac conversion (WAS: Is it possible?)

> Yes, to all four.If you need the wiring process for converting,hit me
> direct at:
> super442@mindspring.com

Everyone:  John was curteous enough to send me the instructions for
this  wiring conversion.  It's on my webpage
http://www.xtalwind.net/~hurstolds/rocket2.html

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:18:46 -0400
From: "Mike R." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Is it possible?

<SNIP> AND, YOU CAN VERY EASILY GET
> DUAL EXHAUST BY EITHER GOING TO AN EXHAUST SHOP, OR ORDERING THE ACTUAL 
PIECES
> FROM AN OLDS DEALERSHIP (85-87 442, 83-84 H/O).

Just one slight problem:  No more hangers from GM.  Now considered
NOS...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:31:40 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '84 Ciera

Message text written by Allen
>I have an 84 Ciera with the MPFI 3.8L engine also. You are right it wasn't
listed in the sales brochure. When my Dad bought this car new one test
drive
was all it took.<

I thought only the 2.5L Tech IV, 2.8L MPFI V6, and 3.0L V6 were available
in the Ciera until the late 80's.  The 3.8L SFI wasn't available until '86
or '87???

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8          '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:08:01 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: roller rockers for edel. heads

I dont think you can use them.  The Edl. heads come with 7/16" rocker
studs.

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I also have Comp cams roller rocker kit on my 350, they work fine.
> When I build my 455 with edelbrock heads I want to use them on it to.
> I think the only difference is that I would need the longer pushrods.
> Does that sound right?
>
> -g

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:21:12 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: casting #

Rick asked:

Is there any way of telling the difference between a  1970 w-30 455 and
just a regular 455 , the casting # on the left side of the block is
30M248278  is there another # somewhere else that gives you more info?

   Rick,

   If you're talking about the short block, unfortunately, no, there is no
   positive way to ID it as a W-30.  The number on the left side of the
   block is not a casting number but what we've been calling the "VIN
   Derivative" number.  Basically it IDs the car in which the motor was
   originally installed.  It can provide some circumstantial info but not a
   positive ID.

   In your case, the 30M248278 breaks down as follows:

   3 = Oldsmobile division
   0 = 1970 model year
   M = Lansing production plant
   248278 = last six digits of car that motor was originally installed in

   What this proves is that it _can_ be a W-30 short block, but it could
   also be a Toro motor, for example.  W-30s were only built in Lansing, so
   if the VIN derivative had shown some other production plant, you would
   have positive proof that it was _not_ a W-motor.  Of course, if the
   motor is still in the car and the car is positively a W-30 and the last
   six digits of the VIN match...

   If you have the heads attached, assuming they are the ones that
   originally went with that block, then the W-30 can be positively ID'd by
   a one inch high raised letter F cast near the number one and eight spark
   plugs.  Just be careful, as less-than-honest people have faked these
   rare F heads by grinding the bottom leg off of the much more common E
   heads (used on all other 455s in 1970).

   Hope this helps.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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