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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 16 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1371



Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!
Rocket Talk
Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved
Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!
Tranny Vacum
Re: Towing with a Buick Roadmaster
Re: carb/gas
UNBOUNCE: Supercars Unlimited
Re: Tranny Vacum
Resto Shop Needed
UNBOUNCE: '86 Cutlass FS
UNBOUNCE: '66 Info Needed
RE: Info on a Massachusetts Event
'62 Jetfire
Went to Springfield, IL
Re: Info on a Massachusetts Event
Pls resend - mailer problem
Re:  72 442 Conv.
RE: Info on a Massachusetts Event
PAGING John M - supper442
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Re: PAGING John M - supper442
RE: Spam
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Exhaust Bolts
RE: Running hot!!! Problem solved
Ignition
Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!
Re: Exhaust Bolts
Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:59:33 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!

> I'm just wondering if alot of people are thinking these are
>miracle cures for what ails their car, which in actuality don't do much.
>Dorian

Can't speak for the rest, but I wasn't looking for a miracle cure. I had no
problems with  the stock points ignition. I wanted to see if it would knock
a tenth or so off my e.t.s. Can't say if it did, as I bent a pushrod on the
3rd pass after installing it and I was playing with the carb jetting on the
previous 2 runs. I cut .2 off the e.t. but that was probably from setting up
the carb.  Haven't gotten back to the track yet.

Randy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:02 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Well, looks like we're all finally done...  Had a good chat session tonight.
Guess it went about 4 hours.  I saw probably 10 or so pop in there.  Not bad at
all.  Thanks all for stopping in!


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:36:48 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved

> There is a flapper door that opens when it activates and if that door >is
facing wrong then it will cause a whirlpool effect.

Also it won't open until the radiator water gets to the right temp., by this
time the block water temp is above normal.


> Look at the thermostat and on it will say which side faces the >radiator.

The "cone shaped" side goes towards the radiator, the other side with the
thermal sensitive metal (the "enclosed" end) goes towards the block. The
"flapper" opens towards the block.

>runs about 210-220 in traffic

If you're running a 195 deg. therm. , that sounds ok.

> (which is better than the 220-250  it was running with NO  thermistat at
all).

Too much flow, the water didn't spend enough time in the radiator to cool
off.

Sound right to everyone?
Randy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:55:21 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!

In a message dated 98-07-16 02:07:32 EDT, you write:

<< I had no
 problems with  the stock points ignition. >>

Ahh, you were running points...I would still be interested to know if your
et's changed due to the ignition, but from points to HEI I would think you
would also get slightly better times. Would like to know how it turns out
though. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:05:18 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Tranny Vacum

Where do I hook-up my trans vacum for the TH400.  Do I plug it into the
manifold direct or does it have to go off the carb.  The motor is a 455 in
an '81 Delta.  Thanks.	

On that note, since I just put the Th400 and 455 into the '81, where do I
hook up the kick-down electric cable.  Do I have to custom make a switch or
something.  Thanks again.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:34:32 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Towing with a Buick Roadmaster

Those are awsome cars, had a ride it one.  If in good shape, I think 7000
is okay.  If they still made them, they would be way up there in price
brand-new.  As for 6000lbs.???  A chevy 350 and a Th-700 derivative trans,
in stock form it would not be a good idea.  What you really should do is
definitley install the heavy duty  cooling (trans and even bigger rad if he
can afford it)  The car will probably have like 2.56 differential, maybe a
3.08.  With 2.56 or so, don't even let him try..he will fry the car.  Do
the cooling and install 3.43s or 3.73s.  You may get a way with 3.23s or
so.  If the car had Trailer package it would have 3.23s I think.  With
3.73s the car should pull that trailer okay, but with 2.56 it will be
crazy.  If he is willing to pay 7000 for that car, make him pay a few
houndred more and have the cooling and the gears.  If budget allows, have
them install a good exaust system, or atleas a good muffler.  Walker
Dynomax Super Turbos flow good and are vary quiet. With this set up and
about $700 above purcahse price, this thing will pull a trailer as well as
haul some A*s too.  Good Luck.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
> From: Dennis Fuller <dfuller@michiana.org>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Towing with a Buick Roadmaster
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:55 PM
>
> I hope I don't get into to much trouble by posting this message about a
> Buick.  I looked all over for a Buick mailing list but could not find
one.
> I run the Shelby Dodge mailing list, and if things are similar here,
> disucussions tend to run over into other similar cars.  If I am asking
this
> question in the wrong place, my apologies.
>
> My father-in-law is looking at buying a 5.7 liter powered '92 Buick
> Roadmaster Limited for $7000.  He wants to occasionally tow his 6000 lbs.
> camper trailer.  It will almost always be over flat terrain and probably
> less than 400 miles a year.  I will probably install an oil cooler on it
> for him.
>
> Does anybody have experience towing with a car similar to this?  Is this
a
> bad idea?  Is $7000 a good price for this car with 74,000 miles?
>
> Thanks for your help...
>
> Dennis Fuller
> dfuller@michiana.org

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:18:59 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: carb/gas

Nobody on earth knows how to fix it.  Just pretend to yourself that the 3.8
is long gone and that fixing it is inpractical/painful/pointless.  Set your
sights straight on a 350 and DON'T look back, even for a momnet.  Have fun.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)


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> From: RICH6986@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: carb/gas
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:30 AM
>
> I have a problem with an 85 cutlass supreme when I start it up when it
has
> been sitting for a while all you can smell is gas its a v-6 3.8 does
anyone
> have any ideas on how to fix it if not a new 350 will be going into it

> Rich Fernandez
> 81 cutlass
> 82 cutlass
> 85 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:32:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Supercars Unlimited

Majordomo is now bouncing posts witht he word "vacation" in the header;
forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>

Supercars Unlimited will be closed Thursday July 16th and Friday July
17th.
Back to normal on Monday the 20th.  During this time, if you need to get
an order in, you can always fax us at 503-244-9639.  Sorry for any
inconvenience.

Have you checked out our web site yet?

- --
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http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:34:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Tranny Vacum

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Igor wrote:
> Where do I hook-up my trans vacum for the TH400.  Do I plug it into the
> manifold direct or does it have to go off the carb.  The motor is a 455 in
> an '81 Delta.  Thanks.	

Every one I've seen comes directly off the manifold.

> On that note, since I just put the Th400 and 455 into the '81, where do I
> hook up the kick-down electric cable.  Do I have to custom make a switch or
> something.  Thanks again.

The ones I've seen use a switch mounted at the accelerator pedal under
the dash. Same switch as used on Jetaway automatics so it shouldn't be
too hard to find.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:43:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Resto Shop Needed

Forwarding the following:

From: LORDLITHO@aol.com

I have a 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible
I am looking for a company or individual that will do a frame up restoration
Can you help me

Thanks

Bob

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:48:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '86 Cutlass FS

Not on the list; respond to DunlapJ@pilot.msu.edu if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jeff Dunlap <DunlapJ@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Olds Cutlass

FOR SALE

Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham

		·	1986 2-door with 113,000 miles
		·	Burgundy/Maroon color
		·	New transmission
		·	New radiator, alternator, etc.
		·	Call Jeff 517/394-7310
			$2,900

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:46:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '66 Info Needed

Please respond directly to MURPH2@prodigy.net ; sorry for the caps.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>

 I HAVE JUST BECOME THE PROUD OWNER OF A 1966 F-85 3800 SERIES.  THE CAR IS
ALL ORIGINAL,  BUT HAS DAMAGE TO THE LEFT FRONT FENDER AND FRONT BUMPER.  I
NEED A PARTS SOURCE IN WESTERN WASHINGTON STATE.  I AM THE SECOND OWNER OF
THIS AUTOMOTIVE MARVEL.  THROWN IN ON THE DEAL,  WERE THE ORIGINAL OWNERS
MANUAL,  OWNER PROTECTION PLAN BOOKLET WITH PROTECT-0-PLATES,AND
MAINTAINANCE RECORDS DATING BACK TO APRIL 1966.  ALSO INCLUDED WAS A 1966
OLDSMOBILE CHASSIS SERVISE MANUAL.  HERE IS WHERE THE TRUE PROBLEMS BEGIN,
THE VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION SECTION OF THE MANUAL (PAGES 0-1, TO 0-14) ARE
UNREADABLE.   I AM INCLUDING ALL INFO FROM THE CAR DATA PLATE ( PAGE 52)
OF OF MY OWNER PROTECTION PLAN BOOKLET IN HOPES THAT SOMEONE CAN HELP ME
DETERMINE WHAT I HAVE UNDER THE HOOD,  WHATS SENDING THE POWER TO THE
WHEELS,  AND WHAT OPTIONS WERE INSTALLED AT THE FACTORY.

983-D2				338176M333343
W153480G			E  BSC
MK174D			30100

I WOULD SINCERLY APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.

						THANK YOU,

						PAUL HARSANY

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:28:41 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Info on a Massachusetts Event

I'm from Worcester, MA and I will be at the Northhampton show.

By the way, the Connecticut Second Annual Oldsmobile Car Show
will be held in the same location as the first on Sunday July 26. I was
amazed at what I saw last year (68 H/O, 69 H/O, 442s of all years,
W-30s, W-31s, Ram Rods, Toros..) Definetly not one to miss if you
can make it!! No vendors though.
E-mail privately for more info.

Jeff Cote
COTEJ@MORGANCO.COM

> ----------
> From: 	RICH6986@aol.com[SMTP:RICH6986@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:43 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Info on a Massachusetts Event
>
> to the person who said that there was going to be a show in north hampton
> aug
> 22 is it north hampton or northampton
> rich
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:54:15 -0400
From: J Blackwood <blkwdlab@cinti.net>
Subject: '62 Jetfire

Anyone know what a fair price would be for one of the turbocharged aluminum 215
engines, complete with exhaust manifolds, or just the turbo and manifolds?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:56:15 -0500
From: Illini Pipeline <bfoley@ezl.com>
Subject: Went to Springfield, IL

Visited the vendors yesterday afternoon.  Picked up a front license plate
bracket $20, headlight bezels $20 and 3 piece dash woodgrain kit $100 for my
1971 Cutlass Supreme Conv.  I saw the most beautiful cars ever put on this
earth.

It was hard to be around all those Olds related items and not be able to take
them home with me.  I have a limited budget you see.  Met some nice folks from
Michigan.  Talked to the Fusicks staff.

Could not find a trunk lid for under $225.  There was a New lid for $1500.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:58:49 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Info on a Massachusetts Event

In a message dated 98-07-16 07:32:00 EDT, you write:

<< By the way, the Connecticut Second Annual Oldsmobile Car Show
 will be held in the same location as the first on Sunday July 26 >>

Where in Conn.?

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Date: 15 Jul 98 17:02:12 -0400
From: CESMTP1 <cesmtp1@LORD.COM>
Subject: Pls resend - mailer problem

         RE: Trans Cooler Lines                                7/15/98 4:57 PM

<<Trans cooler lines...

<<Would wrapping the lines with a thermo-shield tape help out any? I just
<<cant reroute those lines without coming in contact with the headers. The
<<furthest I can get the lines away from the headers would be about 1/2 to 1
<<inch away.>>

Had the same problem once. I finally removed the bolt on the drivers side
engine mount, jacked the engine up or then removed the mount, can't remember
which, and just pushed the trans cooling lines to the inside of the engine
mount and pad. Easy and gets 'em away from the headers.

Bob Handren


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:13:15 EDT
From: <Born2Xcell@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  72 442 Conv.

my name is george i am interested in the car. please call me at 718-692-1554
days-(work) or nights at 516-366-1447.thanks

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Info on a Massachusetts Event

Sorry, I added an extra space... It's Northampton




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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:35:32 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: PAGING John M - supper442

Hi John,
	sent you numerous e-mails on the yard find, not sure it's getting to
you. E-mail me privately. I'm interested...  fernando.proietto@ec.gc.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John M [SMTP:super442@yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:13 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	console and dualgate
>
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:40:14 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
PAGING John M - supper442

Supper442??? Do you people eat in your Oldsmobiles???

	>---------
	>From: 	Proietto, Fernando
[Ontario][SMTP:Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca]
	>Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	>Sent: 	Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:35 AM
	>To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	>Subject: 	PAGING John M - supper442

	>Hi John,
	>	sent you numerous e-mails on the yard find, not sure it's
getting to
	>you. E-mail me privately. I'm interested...
fernando.proietto@ec.gc.ca

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Date: 15 Jul 98 16:36:15 -0400
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         Re: leaning                                           7/15/98 4:24 PM

> 85 cutlass supreme leaning to one side passenger side is lower than driver
> side have replaced shocks put in new stabalizer pin kit still leans anybody
> have any ideas
My guess would be the springs.  Shocks (non-air) do nothing for ride
height, and stabalizer bushing kits don't do anything either.  Well, all
of this will make it ride nicer, but assuming nothing is bent or out of
kilter, the springs handle the height.

Mike Rothe

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         Re: leaning                                           7/15/98 1:30 PM

> 85 cutlass supreme leaning to one side passenger side is lower
> than driver side have replaced shocks put in new stabalizer pin
> kit still leans anybody have any ideas

You've got a bad spring on that side; it's probably broken if it's
the same age as the others. Typically the factory springs will sag
after 6-7 years and let the nose droop, but that would be the same
on both sides, so horizontally the car would still be level. If it
sags on one side only, I'd assume the spring broke. Not uncommon.

Keep in mind that shocks (regular shocks, not air shocks) are not
load-bearing and so do not affect the ride height. That's what
springs are for. The shocks only dampen the rebound of the springs.

BTW, it's good that you replaced the stabilizer pins, but if that
was because one or both were broken, the excessive body roll may
be what broke the old spring on one side after a period of time.

- -- Andy

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         Re: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 4:18 PM

In a message dated 98-07-15 10:25:42 EDT, you write:

<< I like Flowmasters myself!   Never had a problem and they last a long time
 and they do not rust. >>

Is that because they're stainless steel? Just wondering because the only way I
have found to prevent rust was to paint the inside of the exhaust with high
temp paint.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: 15 Jul 98 16:19:02 -0400
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         leaning                                               7/15/98 4:12 PM

85 cutlass supreme leaning to one side passenger side is lower than driver
side have replaced shocks put in new stabalizer pin kit still leans anybody
have any ideas                             thanks for any help
                                           rich
                                  81,82,85 cutlass suppreme

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Date: 15 Jul 98 16:07:48 -0400
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         Re: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 3:03 PM

I've been running Walker Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers for almost 7
years now.  They still don't have a spot of rust on them.  they are
aluminized steel.

I would have gotten Flowmasters, but they were too much $$$.  The
dynomax are around $30 each.

They sound real good too.

- -greg




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         Re: Info on a Massachusetts Event                     7/15/98 3:43 PM

to the person who said that there was going to be a show in north hampton aug
22 is it north hampton or northampton
rich

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PAGING John M - supper442

 Fernando ,
           Hello,sorry so long to get back,my e-mail is fine but my
server not delivering,think I got that fixed now.The parts are
sold,but got a tip on who else might have one in your price range,I'll
get with him this weekend and get back with you either way.The sport
wheel was already taken(frogs442 wanted it for her car).Those consoles
and shifters are getting hard to find but still available,MOST of us
can't afford the high price that some people want,I can't.
           If you're not worried about originality , HURST still makes
this shifter,"Dual/gate2,Costs about $180.Looks closer to the 68-69
H/O setup(small console surrounding shifter only)This shifter canbe
put into a standard console,just have to do something about the top
plate,I'modified the one I had to fit in a 70-72 console in my 69.
              I'll check on the other one for you ,and let you know
either way.
                       John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:03:22 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Spam

Since our topic is Olds and not spamming, I'll try to be
brief; I hate to post this at all but apparently digest
folks are still getting spammed occasionally, so FYI:

> If you really want to be taken off a spammers list [...] then
> just reply with an "undeliverable" message. You probably have
> one floating around your hard drive.

This is a clever idea, however the majority of spam messages
are distributed by hijacking the unprotected mailserver of an
innocent third-party system, and your bounce message simply
adds to the load of _their_ system; the spammer by that time
is long gone. When the spammer finds a mailserver on someone
else's system which will allow third-party relaying, they
upload their ad and their mailing list, then go on their merry
way while the hacked mailserver churns all night to get the
stuff sent out.

> No spammer wants to send mail to a non-existent account.

No spammer cares where their mail goes. They are paid by the
quantity shipped out, never by the quantity of orders coming in.

> It is time consuming, resource draining and doesn't make them
> look good to their clients.

Rarely do they _have_ clients; you'll notice that most of the
spam advertises either the spam package itself or a web page
of or for the spammer, as opposed to a "client" of theirs.

>> Olds content:  the '67 W-30 is completely resistant to spam,
>> doesn't even clog the carb. ;-)

I imagine it sucks it right on through.  :-)

Cheers,
Andy

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Date: 15 Jul 98 15:22:51 -0400
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         Re: Spindles, was re: Cutting/heating srpings         7/15/98 12:15 
PM

At 01:20 PM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I saw the mentioning of dropped spindles and thought I'd add my cent-and-a-
>half.  The local roundy-round racers are always looking for the spindles off
>of some years and models (late 60's) of P-word Catalinas.  They say these
>lower the car quite well and have a seperate steering arm, like the 70-72 A-
>body spindles.  I've heard them also mention that some late 60's Olds models
>have a spindle that is similar,
Not sure how much this helps , but the late '60's DRUM BRAKE spindles have a
seperate bolt-on steering arm.

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Date: 15 Jul 98 15:06:16 -0400
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         Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign                       7/15/98 2:56 PM

ohio and its about 7 feet tall

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Date: 15 Jul 98 15:22:48 -0400
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         Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved                     7/15/98 12:12 
PM

At 02:30 AM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Well I bought a non-thermo clutch fan and installed it. I put the
>thermostat in facing 90 degrees wrong,

how was it 90 dgrees wrong, was it upside down?
I just put one in myself , now i'm wondering if its in wrong because it runs
about 210-220 in traffic (which is better than the 220-250  it was running with
NO thermistat at all).

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Exhaust Bolts

Isn't interesting how few posts there are since most folks are at the
Nationals.. A good reason NOT to split the list.

Does anyone know the bolt size/thread size for exhaust manifold bolts?
The stainless I am using keep loosening so I thought I would try Stage 8
locking bolts but forget to bring a sample with me today..



Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
"79 Cutlass Modified (455/THM400/12bolt)
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:49:29 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Running hot!!! Problem solved

> Is a non-thermo clutch better than a thermo clutch??

No, and yes.... the Thermo is better, but not necessarily for
everything.  The other is also called an RPM type, as it disengages at
faster RPM (meaning you should be moving, and airflow is through
radiator) and engages at slower engine speeds.  Thermo will stay
disengaged at all times until the temp is high enough and it will engage
(220 or so), but that would be at any engine speed.  Unless....

Then some are both thermo and RPM type, and will not engage at higher
rpm despite it being hot.  I like the thermo only.  I have the temp only
on my Turbo T/A, it is factory with a 7 blade fan, you know when it
engages if you are driving down the road.  My Cutlass has a thermo type,
but it engages at low rpm.  Hurts low end acceleration some, but pulls
lots of air at idle no matter the temp out.

The ultimate fan clutch is on a 855 CID Cummins.  The fan doesn't even
move a lot of the time when cool!  And when it engages, WHAM!  It will
lurch the vehicle when you are at WOT (I was most of the time in my rig)
It is a 30 in fan or so, and goes from not moving to 2200 rpm instantly!
And pulls like a hurricane!  Then when temp is under control, it
disengages and slows down.  It completely freewheels when not engaged.
The clutch is air operated, and is more like a AC clutch.

You can ID them by the coily wire in the front of the clutch, that is
the Thermo, and RPM type is similar without the wire (bimetallic strip).
My 80 Turbo Trans AM has a thermo, but the fins on the front of it are
around 1 in thick, there most are about 3/8".  This is the HD unit.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:03:20 -0700
From: David Ray <sparkman451@earthlink.net>
Subject: Ignition

I hope this message is not out of line, if so, I heartily apologize.
Would it be ok to post a note about small-body HEI conversions???  I do
them using the stock point distributor so you don't have to search for a
different air filter.  If ok, please E/mail me.  Dave Ray
sparkman451@earthlink.net.  Thank you.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:37 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!

>..I would still be interested to know if your et's changed due to the
>ignition, but from points to HEI I would think you would also get >slightly
better times. Would like to know how it turns out
>though. Dorian

I'll let you know, hopefully I'll get back to the track either the 24th or
31st.

Randy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:07:26 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

3/8 16 if my memory serves me correctly 1 1/2 or 1 1/4 inch in length cant
remember which
- -----Original Message-----
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:42 AM
Subject: Exhaust Bolts


>
>Isn't interesting how few posts there are since most folks are at the
>Nationals.. A good reason NOT to split the list.
>
>Does anyone know the bolt size/thread size for exhaust manifold bolts?
>The stainless I am using keep loosening so I thought I would try Stage 8
>locking bolts but forget to bring a sample with me today..
>
>
>
>Al Varhus
>Columbus, Ohio
>"79 Cutlass Modified (455/THM400/12bolt)
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
>Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>  Gem City Rockets
>
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:34:08 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing

Okay, when I fire it up the first time, do the little break in run and then
how do I set the fuel mixture (Q-jet).  Do I do it with a vacum gauge or
what.  I know that I must turn the screws but when do I know it is good.
The motor is 455, 272-280AD, .448-.472lift.  790cfm.  Do I do this before
or after I set the timing.

Speaking of timing, the engine was 16deg. @1100 in park stock, but with my
compression and cam change (10.1CR) will this figure change or what.
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: 15 Jul 98 14:42:31 -0400
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         ??Distance to Nationals                               7/15/98 2:41 PM

Hi Folks:  A quick question -- how far is it from Detroit to
Springfield?  Joan


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         NON-OLDS: MS Word humor                               7/15/98 10:=
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Hi all,

Sorry for the non-olds e-mail, however, it really is funny.

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Try this:

  1) In MS Word type "I'd like to see you naked" without the quotation mark=
s.

  2) Highlight the phrase and select Thesaurus from the Tools menu (shift
F7).

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Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada



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         Re: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 2:15 PM

Flowmasters are a little more exspensive(usually around $50.00 a peice) , but
they are aluminized and last forever!...Not to mention the sound is awesome!

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         Re: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 2:32 PM

I had the same problem with my 442.  You burn the baffels out of them.  I had
trubo mufflers and did the same thing, Walker continentals  and burned the 
fibre
glass right out of them.
The only ones that seemed to last the longest where the original factory ones
which I don't believe are available anymore.
My wife's F85 350 has turbos and they are about 5 years old. They're fine.
I put stainless mufflers on the 442 and they're OK but it is too soon to tell
for sure. It always seems to be the passenger side to go first - don't know
reason why. George

David L Wyatt wrote:

> The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are rattling.
> Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
> other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I 
would
> like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.  One year
> and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want something
> fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.
>
> TIA,
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2 (hear it rattle in Springfield on Friday)




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         Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?              7/15/98 1:58 PM

In a message dated 98-07-15 00:20:02 EDT, you write:

<< If anyone lives in IN and
 has the knowledge and time to inspect the car for me, >>

I live in Northern In. near Ft Wayne. I am leaving for nationals in
Springfield Thur Morn.   If close I would look at car next week.
'54 olds
'57 olds
'64 cutlass conv
'64 cutlass ht
'98 intrigue

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