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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 6 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1349



Re: Thanks/68 4-4-2
Re: Convertible Frame Q.
69 cut. comv. parts 4 sale
Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)
Marvel Mystery Oil?
UNBOUNCE: Tom Stoner's Parts Offer
Parts 4 Sale
How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: Huh?
Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: Hot Shift kit
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install
Can't get a Grip!
Throttle linkage h*lp, pls
Re: Can't get a Grip! Need traction
Local car (oldsmobile) show.
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Oldsmobiles found.
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install
Re: Oven Cleaner.......?
Major violation.  (Re: Huh?)
Montana/Nodak yards?
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: Dumb-ass
RE: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
rubber mounts?
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
RE: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install
Re: Dumb-ass
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: Throttle linkage h*lp, pls
Re: Emergency Brake cable won't fit?!?
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: Major violation.  (Re: Huh?)
Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)
ADMIN: Re: Major violation.
Re: rubber mounts?
Re: ADMIN: Re: Major violation.
Re: Oven Cleaner--Super clean
1995 Cutlass Convertible
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Must-Have Books (Was Re: Web Pages)
Re: Must-Have Books (Was Re: Web Pages)
Re: Dumb-ass/no such thing as a 442 after 1972
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Article in MCR=stinks
Re: Article in MCR=stinks
Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Re:  Same questions + worth it! (Olds content)
Re: Can't get a Grip!
TIMING 75 CUTLASS 350
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:15:05 EDT
From: <Scuubybrew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks/68 4-4-2

hey , that's the same project i'm doing  (still have the body to do) .
drop me a line
joe

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:16:03 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Frame Q.

I have a 73 delta convertible.I don't know if your mechanism is the same as
mine.
I have the scissor arms and from what I understand and experienced, it' a real
headache. When my top is down the driver side sits a little higher than the
passenger side yet it closes evenly. I wanted to know if you have the same
mechanism and would appreciate any tips from people who have had any problems
with this particular top.

thanks again

woody3781
70 cutlass
73 delta 88 'vert

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:31:28 EDT
From: <Scuubybrew@aol.com>
Subject: 69 cut. comv. parts 4 sale

I have a 69 cutlas s convertable parts car .

only good body parts are trunk lid and rear bumper
has many other parts left. glass,radiatot, 350 engine, t3 lights light
housings  also 69 442 hood some rust & small dent

let me know what you nead
all parts "make offer"  + shipping
contact direct at   scuubybrew@aol.com   use "69 parts" as subject so I can
distinguish from other mail.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 05:01:43 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I swear by Castrol Super Clean. One of the best degreasers around, I like
> it even better than Simple Green which was my previous favorite. I
> haven't had any problems using it... so far at least!

Where can you apply this stuff?  Can I do it at home or do I have to go to
a car wash.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:18:00 -0400
From: "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
Subject: Marvel Mystery Oil?

     Just wondering what the list members feelings are on Mystery Oil.  My
     father used it in his 91 J**p for years and loves it.  I was thinking
     of using it in my 67 Cutlass but am cautious of using additives in my
     motors.

     On a side note, I am now the owner of the J**p and haven't used the
     Mystery Oil.  After I did an oil change on the car it developed a tick
     that goes away when the motor warms up.  Do you guys think the Mistery
     Oil works?

     Josh
     67 Cutlass
     425 / TH400

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:00:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Tom Stoner's Parts Offer

This bounced because of a majordomo quirk; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Nearly Free Parts - Long

NEARLY FRE* CAR PARTS - You pay the shipping costs plus $1.00 or come
pick them up from my house in Ann Arbor, and you can have any or all of
the following items for no additional cost.  Contact me privately, if
you€re interested in any of this.  I can send you a digital photograph
of any item as an E-Mail attachment, if you give me a few days to borrow
the camera from work.  NOS = the usual €new, old stock².  NOS/IB = €new,
old stock - in original box².  Gr = GM Parts Group Number.  PN = Part
Number.  NL = Not listed in my 1975 Oldsmobile Parts Manual.  Any of
this stuff which is still around here in about six weeks, will be sent
to the recycle center.

Diecast clip on-type center cap for an Oldsmobile Super Stock wheel.
Found by the side of the road.  Not dinged up or corroded too badly and
better than nothing, if you need one.

1950€s vintage Sun Dwell-Tach Tester.  6 volt / 12 volt.  4-6-8
cylinder.  This uses two D-cell batteries and has quite a bit of
corrosion damage from some batteries which leaked in it in the past.
Diecast metal and hard rubber case.  Is it restorable?

NOS/IB soft plastic fender filler.  Gr 7.831.  PN 414219.  NL.

NOS/IB Bumper Insert.  Gr 7.828.  PN 410129.  NL.

NOS Floor Shift Seal (at floor pan) for 1964 and 1965 (first-type) F-85
with manual transmission, except with console.  Apparently does not
include 442, as there is a different part number listed for them.  Gr
4.015.  PN 384431.  I have two.

NOS Front Fender Filler Baffle.  Gr 8.153. PN 369923.  NL.

NOS, but very dirty black plastic coolant overflow reservoir.  Number
391973-M moulded into one side.  PN NL.

1978, 79, or 80 Cutlass dash trim panel for center airconditioning vents
and rear defogger switch.  Without clock.  New car takeout?

1978, 79, or 80 Cutlass dash trim panel for center airconditioning vents
and clock.  Without rear defogger switch.  New car takeout?

NOS/IB Heater Control Assembly for 1973 to 1975 Omega, excpet with
airconditioning.  Gr 8.849.  PN 6273371.

NOS/IB Door Hinge.  No GM PN, but box hand marked €73 Omega².

1979 Chevrolet Service Manual Set.  4 manuals.  Service Manual for
Camaro, Malibu, Monte Carlo, and Nova; C-4 System and 200C Transmission
Supplement; Electrical Troubleshooting Manual for Malibu, Monte Carlo,
and ElCamino; Wiring Diagram Manual for all Chevrolet Passenger Cars.

Approximately 50 pounds of assorted 1960€s and 1970€s Kent-Moore and
Bouroughs GM Essential Tools.

NOS/IB Exhaust Pipe Hanger.  Gr 3.708.  PN 357220.  NL.

NOS Rear Anti-Sway Bar for 1978 - 1980 Cutlass.  7/8 inch diameter.  Gr
7.241.  PN 10000095.  NL.

NOS Front Bumper Rub Strip for 1973 Cutlass and Cutlass S with VE5
option.  PN 412155.

Air Lift Polyair rear coil spring airbags.  Complete used kit, with
single fill valve.  Air lines were cut at the airbags when removed from
a 1979 ElCamino.  These should fit most years of Cutlass.

Dashboard trim for instrument panel and lefthand airconditioning vents
on a mid-70€s 98.  PN 554483, NL.  New car take-offs, in very good
condition.  I have two.

Used Rochester Quadrajet carb.  Production Number 7043251.  Pre-smog,
unsealed adjustments and with apparently good fuel inlet threads.

RH V-8 Exhaust Manifold.  PN 389268 RH cast into it.  Used, and I don€t
see any cracks or other damage to it.

NOS/IB Idler Arm Stop Package for all 1973 A-Body (Cutlass) cars.  Gr
6.896.  PN 231640.

Used medium grey rubber front floor mats.  LH mat has a hole for a floor
dimmer switch and the RH mat has a 2-1/2 inch €chicken track² Rocket
emblem moulded in.  Based on the size, I€d guess there were from a B. C.
or E-Body car.  Good condition.

NOS Drive Shaft for 1954 or 1955 Super 88 and 98, with standard
transmission.  PN 5667608 (?).

NOS/IB Drive Shaft.  May be PN 279683, NL.

NOS RH Exhaust Pipe for 1967 with 425 and 1968 - 1970 with 455, except
98 and Toronado.  Unmarked, but should be PN 394591.

NOS LH Exhaust Pipe for 1965 to 1967 442.  Unmarked, but should be PN
389465.

NOS LH Exhaust Pipe for 1966 with 425, except 98 and Toronado.
Unmarked, but should be PN 392313.

NOS Exhaust Crossover Pipe for 1962 and 1963 F-85 with manual
transmission and 2 barrel carb engine.  PN 578279.

NOS Exhaust Pipe.  Believed to be PN 390961, NL.

NOS/IB Oldsmobile Dark Pewter Rear Floor Mats.

Send private E-Mail concerning these items to me at tgstoner@umich.edu.
Or you can call me in Ann Arbor at (734) 663-3232.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | =======================+
|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:48:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts 4 Sale

PLEASE!
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $150

1967  C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole>   $225
         Magnufluxed  -  complete

1968
442 grill emblem >   $40
Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)>  $30
Ashtray Door >  $10
Convertible top cylinders > $30 ea.
Rear defroster switch > $25
Motor mount heat shield > $8
Conv. Top latches  >30.pr
Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$40.pr.
Reverse light lens good condition > $10
442 Carb  #7028251 >$150
Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $100
Choke pulldown only >$25
Power Antenna Switch  >$25

1969
442 Grills exc.> $150
Cutlass Grills > $90
Wiper switch  > $40
Radio plate (uncut) >$20
Rear defroster Switch & wiring > $25
Plastic headlight Doors > $75
Ashtray Doors   > $10
Convertible top cylinders > $25
Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $100
Hood Hinges > $35
442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$20
Motor mount heat shield  >$8
Conv. Top latches >$30.pr
Vacuum trunk switch >$25
Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165
69-72      Power window motors >  $25 ea.

1970
Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
Nos pass. side headlight frame>  $60
Sport Mirrors  >  $175
Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $30 ea
Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $20 ea
Nos 442 emblem set (both sides, front tooth and trunk lid)  >    $150
F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
Rear side marker lights >  $15 ea
70 442 bumper  core >  $100
Ashtray Doors  >  $10
Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
Convertible top cylinder > $25
Hood Hinges > $25
Motor mount heat shield> $8
Conv. Top latches> $40.pr
455 heads E casting> $100
Convertible Top Switch  > $75
1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$60
69-72      Nos SSI center caps>$165
69-72      Power window motors> $25 ea.



1971 & 1972
Front bumper directional lens> $10 ea.
Tail light lens > $10 ea.
Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $30
71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c (6 ft. long  bottom pieces)> $60
T handle  (that opens hood) > $10
Ashtray Doors > $10
71  Cutlass Grills gc. >$90
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges) >$10
Convertible top cylinders  > $30
Hood Hinges   >$25
Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions >$10
Motor mount heat shield  >$8
Conv. Top latches  >$40.pr
Black  Automatic console  >$75
Nos tailight lens Gaskets
                              part # 5963323 Lowers  - 2
                              part # 5963322 Uppers    - 4 > $20 for all
69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165 set
69-72      Power window motors > $25 ea.

1973
Carb         7043256  >$40

Shipping is extra
Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:50:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: How do you clean alu. intake???

Hi Guys,

what would you think works good to clean a used aluminium intake manifold
inside and outside before bolting it on? Thought about carburetor
cleaner... is that a good idea? Experiences?

Thanks

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 07:53:13 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Huh?

Why don't all of you put a lid on it.  I do not check my mail for this!  Grow
up!

LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:

> I have met a lot of cool people online.  But i've elso met people like this

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:09:51 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)

Mr Ada wrote:

> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> > I swear by Castrol Super Clean. One of the best degreasers around, I like
> > it even better than Simple Green which was my previous favorite. I
> > haven't had any problems using it... so far at least!
>
> Where can you apply this stuff?  Can I do it at home or do I have to go to
> a car wash.
>
> Chris Sparks

 ===================================
Chris,

    You can apply this stuff at home just be sure to rinse your driveway down
when done, kinda messy.  I will also agree with previous posts that it will dry
your skin out (severely) and you will peel like a sun burn!

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:13:54 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

George wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> what would you think works good to clean a used aluminium intake manifold
> inside and outside before bolting it on? Thought about carburetor
> cleaner... is that a good idea? Experiences?
>
> Thanks
>
> George

===========================George,

    I have glass beaded mine and it comes out looking good as new.  Don't
sand blast, it removes too much material.
- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:17:54 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Shift kit

Well...Not using a torque wrench can be very crucial in certain cases.
Especially when you are dealing with bearings and stuff. In the case of an oil
pan, it's not too crucial. It's just that you want it tight enough so that it
seals without warping the pan and without the bolts coming loose. I usually
always use a torque wrench. COme on..how hard is it to use a torque wrench? Do
it once and do it right. As far as your second question, the round thing on
the side is your accumilator. It's what dampens engagement of your band so
that you have smooth even shifts. It slowly fills up and then slowly applies
your band so that you don't have a harsh neck breacking shift. By taking out
the original spring and putting some other kind of tension device as in a
shift kit, you are letting it have less tension and it will have an easier and
quicker time applying your band. The result is a hard quick shift with no
overlap between each gear. This can get very annoying if you drive your car is
an every driver although it is better your trans. Quicker engagement of your
bands and your clutches allows for less wear on your bands and clutches as
well as less loose friction material floating around in your transmission.
Your transmission wil last longer but under normal driving, will your neck?

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:22:53 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install

You can cut out an old inner tube or some sort of thick rubber and make like a
gasket and mount it between your fuel pump and whatever you mounted your pump
to. This dampens a lot of the noise of the pump. You might not even hear it at
all.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:26:40 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Can't get a Grip!

I can't seem to get a grip when I leave the line.  I am wearing a set of
BFGoodrich Radio Drags with 3.42 gears.  I want to go with a bigger gear to
get me out of the gate faster but what the point when I can't leave with the
3.42s.

Please help!




===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:39:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Throttle linkage h*lp, pls

On my 350 (a '68), I am replacing one wrong intake manifold (73-76 EGR type)
with another wrong intake (70-72 non- EGR type). I can not put the throttle
linkage back like it was as the replacement intake has fewer bolt holes.
Primary problem is how to hook up throttle return spring.

Can anybody fax or scan/e-mail me a photo or diagram or drawing (or please,
anything)  of throttle hookup for 70-72 350.

Sound desperate, don't I?

tia

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:52:32 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip! Need traction

Hello Sam. I used to run a chassis shop. You can have all the power in the
world but if you can't connect.
First off. What type of car, trans, rear end.
Suspension type.( are you using any type of traction devices.
Street Car or Drag car. It makes a difference. And you can tune for both.
Rim Width and tire height.
If you can give me these specs I can help you.
Thanks Coy
- ----------
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Can't get a Grip!
> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 8:26 AM
>
> I can't seem to get a grip when I leave the line.  I am wearing a set of
> BFGoodrich Radio Drags with 3.42 gears.  I want to go with a bigger gear
to
> get me out of the gate faster but what the point when I can't leave with
the
> 3.42s.
>
> Please help!
>
>
>
>
> ===========================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> 1971 Cutlass S 455
> Westside! Chitown IL
> ===========================

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:49:35 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Local car (oldsmobile) show.

Hello everyone. Yesterday a buddy of mine and me went out cruising and
ended up a a really nice little car show in Shallow Lake, Ontario. I
couldn't believe how many Oldsmobiles were there. Besides my buddies 68
442 and my 63 Starfire, there was a 36 olds streetrod, a 61
Ninety-Eight, a 57 Ninety-Eight 4dr, a 64 Starfire conv, a 68 Cutlass S,
a 68 Delta 88 conv, a 69 Cutlass, a beautiful 70 Cutlass, a 77 Cutlass,
and 2 identical Hurt/Olds I'm not sure 84-86, too new for me. Anyways, I
think that's all of the Oldsmobiles that were there. I also picked up a
really nice 1962 United Delco AC Products Service Manual for $5 and I
wiper are for my 57 F*ord. I didn't really need either of them but they
were good prices.

Cliff McFarlane
62 98 4dr - parts
62 Starfire htp - parts
62 Starfire conv - in restoration
63 Starfire htp - maybe restore
63 Starfire conv - maybe restore
63 Starfire htp - restored ----> http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
57 Ford Fairlane 500 conv - restored

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:55:47 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK

J-2 engines were first made as an option in '57 and not in '56. They were
basically the same engines as the standards. The only difference is that the
compression ratio was upped from 9.5:1 to 10:1 and there was a tri-carb setup
on it. It was only offered for two years, 1957 and 1958. The only difference
in the '58 was the camshaft. As far as the tri -power option, it was only
offered for three years, '57 and '58 on the J-2's and in '66 on the 400
blocks. As far as compatability, a J-2 tri-power setup is only compatable with
371 motors and 394 motors from '57 - '64 since they all shared the same block
and bolt pattern. Although they used the same blocks for the 324 from '54-'56,
the J-2 manifolds will not fit on them. That's the whole deal about a J-2 tri-
carb manifold. Don't waste your time getting one for a '56 or earlier engine.
ALthough,  offenhauser and Weiand did make tri-carb, six carb, and dual quad
aluminum manifolds for the early years (54-56).

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:00:47 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

Just dip the thing in a solvent tank, srub it and blow dry it with an air
nozzle. If you don't have access to a solvent tank, spray it with brake clean.
It will get junk out and it evaporates quickly. Then blow the inside out with
air.

Wilie,
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 11:58:59 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Oldsmobiles found.

On my way back from a car show yesterday me and a buddy stumbled across
a bunch of old cars back in the bushes of the auto repair shop. The
first car I looked at I saw a big 2 on the trunk and say it was grey and
thought to myself it would be too easy to find an Olds this quick but as
I pulled down the branch away from the trunklid there it was bright as
day "442", it turned out to be 77 442 but I didn't get a great look at
it. I walked down a few cars among them was a 65 Caddilac and others I
didn't pay attention to. Once I got down a few cars I saw a convertible
top and as I walked up beside it I almost couldn't believe it, it was a
65 Starfire conv just parked there. I walked up side of it and looked in
and all I had time too see was it had power windows and power vents and
then we made some noise and I guess we disturbed the owners gaurd dog as
he came chasing after us through the rest of the cars we didn't get to
see. Well I was dissapointed to have to leave there so quick but I think
I'll go back some other time throughout the summer, maybe business
hours! Talk to ya later.

Cliff McFarlane
62 98 4dr - parts
62 Starfire htp - parts
62 Starfire conv - in restoration
63 Starfire htp - maybe restore
63 Starfire conv - maybe restore
63 Starfire htp - restored ----> http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
57 Ford Fairlane 500 conv - restored

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:04:25 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

In a message dated 98-07-06 11:11:14 EDT, you write:

<<  I have glass beaded mine and it comes out looking good as new.  Don't
 sand blast, it removes too much material.
 --
 Chris Miller
 '68 442
 Tustin, CA
 mailto:cya442@mindspring.com
  >>
I don't think he really meant to clean it that good. I am assuming that the
manifold is fine and he just wants to clean it up to put it back on. Plus, if
it is polished, any kind of blasting would ruin it and it would have to be re-
polished anyway.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:31:33 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install

I used a couple of ac condencer rubber mounts on mine , lost a lot of the noise
and vibration                   Butch 68  442  post

AceFace007@aol.com wrote:

> You can cut out an old inner tube or some sort of thick rubber and make like 
a
> gasket and mount it between your fuel pump and whatever you mounted your pump
> to. This dampens a lot of the noise of the pump. You might not even hear it 
at
> all.
>
> Willie
> '57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:47:53 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?

In a message dated 98-07-05 18:26:28 EDT, you write:

<<
 I've been reading that the oven cleaner is a good engine cleaner as
 well. I got an '86 442 307. What do I need to cover to rinse off the
 cleaner besides the carbie? Do need to avoid putting some of it on the
 plugs/wires? Thanks!

  >>

Uhhh..., oven cleaner will take off the paint on any areas that it is used on.
We use it in the model car hobby to remove paint (and chrome, I believe)...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:04:47 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Major violation.  (Re: Huh?)

As I'm reading through the loads of crap put out lately about movie cars, and
slamming other people I find the following message.  First thing to say is
this stuff is getting old.  Too bad Mr. Witt wasn't around for some of this,
or he'd be ranting and raving over all the extra crap.  I do agree with Greg
that the first message was marginal (at best) in the way it was written.  But
the following is somewhat beyond limits.  As far as I can tell, this is a copy
of a conversation that two members had on what is called AOL IM (instant
messages, somewhat of a chat, between Ojunebuggo and Loosecanno).  The fact
that it took place is irrelavent, it didn't go through the list (initially)
which is the correct place to do the "trash talking".  The problem is that
this (at one time) private conversation now gets posted to the list.  I'd say
all of this is out of line for either person, and posting it to the list makes
it even worse.

PLEASE, take this off the list completely!!!!! And let all of us get back to
talking Oldsmobiles.

Thanks you,
Chris Ruper

In a disgusting message dated 98-07-06 01:30:28 EDT, you write:

<<
 I have met a lot of cool people online.  But i've elso met people like this
 (presumably, a list member)
 OJUNEBUGGO:	Promotion Entrepreneur....Hua'? What kind of business are 
you
 starting? Ripping off peoples picts. of cars so you can sell em! Big movie
car
 man!! Ooooooohh!!!!
 OJUNEBUGGO:	punk, wanna see what WEST SIDE really is
 OJUNEBUGGO:	Did they really turn down your car for thee movie.
 BITCH

 WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH YOU GUYS??

 Erik >>

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:15:37 -0600
From: "Timothy P. Urban" <455@clbs.k12.mn.us>
Subject: Montana/Nodak yards?

I will be vacationing in Glacier NP, and wonder if there are any yards I
should visit on the way for my 71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.

Any suggestions?

Tim



Timothy P. Urban
Technology Coordinator
ISD #115, Cass Lake-Bena Schools
urban@clbs.k12.mn.us
(218) 335-2203 wk
(218) 759-2842 hm

http://www.clbs.k12.mn.us/urban/urban.html

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:30:29 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

Does anyone know what "88" or "98" stood for anyway? Just wondering.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:36:44 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass

In a message dated 98-07-02 22:05:02 EDT, you write:

<< I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4 brl.
dual
 exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400, 403,
 455.....who knows what else.......????
  >>
I always thought 442 stood for:
Four Speed
4 bbl. carb
Dual exhaust

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:42:21 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

Well, Michael, it seems that any of those  possibilities hold. What seems
more interesting is that you have a '72 Cutlass Supreme. A very nice car by
any means, however, why the W-25 hood? "72 Supremes didn't come with W-25
hoods, back then. The only way to get that hood was to order the W-30
package. You mentioned you have a 350 engine. Don't recall any '72's with
350's getting that W-25 package. What I believe it that previous owners were
adding these options. This is a normal practice which all most everyone
does. Nothing wrong with it, as long as the car is not advertised for
something it was not originally. I think in your case this car has been
changed. As for the colour, I don't have my chassis manual nor my order
parts guide with me, so can't help with that.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Michael Dunn [SMTP:MDAqua@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent:	Saturday, July 04, 1998 4:54 PM
> To:	Oldsmobile Mailing List
> Subject:	W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
>
> Hello Folks!
>
> I am new to the list and this will be the first of many "dumb" questions
> to
> come -- but what the heck you have to start somewhere!
>
> I recently purchased a 72 Cutlass Convertible - fairly well optioned, A/C,
> power steering, bucket seats, AM/FM Stereo 8-track, etc. etc. - 350 and
> _single_ exhaust.  Interesting thing is the car came with a factory W-25
> hood and all the underhood goodies that go with it (at least as I
> purchased
> it).  That brings me around to my questions...
>
> 1)  Barring the fact that somebody would have actually done this, could
> you
> have purchased the O.A.I. option without ordering dual exhaust in '72?
> The
> hood is marked 3/20/72 underneath with a builders crayon, but the
> combination seems odd.  My assumption is that the original owner was
> either
> dodging higher insurance rates when they ordered the car or the hood was
> added by someone before I bought the car.
>
> 2)  It looks like birds have nested inside each of the scoops (tons of
> leaves and pine tags).  The screen is still tacked in place under the
> hood.
> Any suggestions for a _graceful_ way to clean these out?
>
> Oops, one other odd question that's been gnawing at me...
>
> 3)  The car was originally black and the Fisher Body Tag proves this out
> with a #19 color code, but my searches on the internet and through several
> books, indicate ebony black was not an available option on the Supremes in
> '72.  Can anybody provide a little more detail?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Mike
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:28:23 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: rubber mounts?

B Vosburgh wrote:
>
> I used a couple of ac condencer rubber mounts on mine (SNIP)
Where can I find a set of these? I am trying to get my AC back together.
T.J.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:47:29 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

not sure about the 88, but the 98 stood for 1898, which makes this year the
100 year anniversary. i would assume that the 88 is probably just a scaled
down version of the 98. had they manufactured a third vehicle at that time
it's safe to assume that it would have been called the 78.

woody3781
70 cutlass
73 delta 88 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:02:30 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

Ohh, Ohh, I just happen to have my restoration book with me.  I believe
the 72 4-4-2 with 350 came with a single exhaust (as did all 350's I
thought).  The only way to get a W-25 was with the W-30 option and that
required a 455.  But this doesn't rule out dealer installed or something
like that.  Most likely a previous owner added it.

As for ebony black, my book lists it as exclusive to toronado, 88, delta
88 royale, delta 88 and custom cruiser models.  But this doesn't mean it
couldn't be special ordered on a supreme.  Case in point, my 69 Cutlass
S W-31 still has it's original paint and it's a paint code 80 (powder
blue) which a toro exlusive color.  So I'm guessing it was special
ordered with powder blue, as yours was with ebony black.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Proietto, Fernando [Ontario][SMTP:Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 06, 1998 12:42 PM
>To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
>Subject: 	RE: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
>
>Well, Michael, it seems that any of those  possibilities hold. What seems
>more interesting is that you have a '72 Cutlass Supreme. A very nice car by
>any means, however, why the W-25 hood? "72 Supremes didn't come with W-25
>hoods, back then. The only way to get that hood was to order the W-30
>package. You mentioned you have a 350 engine. Don't recall any '72's with
>350's getting that W-25 package. What I believe it that previous owners were
>adding these options. This is a normal practice which all most everyone
>does. Nothing wrong with it, as long as the car is not advertised for
>something it was not originally. I think in your case this car has been
>changed. As for the colour, I don't have my chassis manual nor my order
>parts guide with me, so can't help with that.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Michael Dunn [SMTP:MDAqua@worldnet.att.net]
>> Sent:	Saturday, July 04, 1998 4:54 PM
>> To:	Oldsmobile Mailing List
>> Subject:	W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
>>
>> Hello Folks!
>>
>> I am new to the list and this will be the first of many "dumb" questions
>> to
>> come -- but what the heck you have to start somewhere!
>>
>> I recently purchased a 72 Cutlass Convertible - fairly well optioned, A/C,
>> power steering, bucket seats, AM/FM Stereo 8-track, etc. etc. - 350 and
>> _single_ exhaust.  Interesting thing is the car came with a factory W-25
>> hood and all the underhood goodies that go with it (at least as I
>> purchased
>> it).  That brings me around to my questions...
>>
>> 1)  Barring the fact that somebody would have actually done this, could
>> you
>> have purchased the O.A.I. option without ordering dual exhaust in '72?
>> The
>> hood is marked 3/20/72 underneath with a builders crayon, but the
>> combination seems odd.  My assumption is that the original owner was
>> either
>> dodging higher insurance rates when they ordered the car or the hood was
>> added by someone before I bought the car.
>>
>> 3)  The car was originally black and the Fisher Body Tag proves this out
>> with a #19 color code, but my searches on the internet and through several
>> books, indicate ebony black was not an available option on the Supremes in
>> '72.  Can anybody provide a little more detail?
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:02:47 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install

I was wondering if you used rubber or aluminum tubing in and out of your
pump?  I used aluminum and it vibrates on the bottom of the car. I think I'm
going to have to use push-lock hose or other high-grade rubber hose for at
least two feet out of the pump because it just vibrates too much.
What did you do?
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible..

- -----Original Message-----
From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install


>I used a couple of ac condencer rubber mounts on mine , lost a lot of the
noise
>and vibration                   Butch 68  442  post
>
>AceFace007@aol.com wrote:
>
>> You can cut out an old inner tube or some sort of thick rubber and make
like a
>> gasket and mount it between your fuel pump and whatever you mounted your
pump
>> to. This dampens a lot of the noise of the pump. You might not even hear
it at
>> all.
>>
>> Willie
>> '57 Olds Super 88
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:05:33 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass

In a message dated 98-07-06 13:39:35 EDT, you write:

<< << I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4 brl.
 dual
  exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400, 403,
  455.....who knows what else.......????
   >>
 I always thought 442 stood for:
 Four Speed
 4 bbl. carb
 Dual exhaust
  >>

well, the first 442s really stood for 4bbl, 4speed, dual exhaust, but they
sold so good, i guess they decided to make it the actual model of car instead
of just an option.  when they did this, they started to put automatic trannys
in there, which were 3 speeds, and later on they started putting in the
smaller engines.  but from what i have heard, this is what happened.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:48:08 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

> not sure about the 88, but the 98 stood for 1898, which makes this year the
> 100 year anniversary. i would assume that the 88 is probably just a scaled
> down version of the 98. had they manufactured a third vehicle at that time
> it's safe to assume that it would have been called the 78.


Hmmmm.  All you 88/98 experts correct me if I'm wrong, (yeah, yeah, I
know I am a LOT) but I believe the 86/88 and 96/98 models were available
in days of old.  the first number (Olds always LIKED numbering cars) I
believe was for the series of car, of course, 9 being the ultimate.  The
6 or 8 in the second number was to signify whether the car came with a 6
cyl or an 8 cyl engine.  And I don't know off hand, but I seem to recall
a 76/78 model.  Maybe I'm dreamin.  This is a VERY foggy subject, so I
could be wrong on this and/or ALL accounts, but this is what pops to
mind.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:49:38 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

Eagle One Mag cleaner type B. Best thing in the world for cleaning
aluminum.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:59:43 EDT
From: <BradRoss79@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

Maybe I can help clear up the 88 and 98 thing.
88 (eighty-eight) stands for 80 series with an 8 cyl engine.
98 (ninety-eight) stands for 90 series with an 8 cyl engine.

These are what the names originally meant.    After a while the names stuck
around, but the cars changed.

There were also cars like an 86  (80 series, 6 cyl) and others.

I hope I'm correct, and I hope this helps.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:04:49 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Throttle linkage h*lp, pls

You can try and get a throttle linkage hook-up from a company such as Mr.
Gasket or Moroso. Bothe are good setups and they ususally come with all the
stuff you need to do a hook-up. Summit and or Jegs sells the kits which
mount under the carb.

- ----------
> From: hitson@leadbelt.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Throttle linkage h*lp, pls
> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 10:39 AM
>
> On my 350 (a '68), I am replacing one wrong intake manifold (73-76 EGR
type)
> with another wrong intake (70-72 non- EGR type). I can not put the
throttle
> linkage back like it was as the replacement intake has fewer bolt holes.
> Primary problem is how to hook up throttle return spring.
>
> Can anybody fax or scan/e-mail me a photo or diagram or drawing (or
please,
> anything)  of throttle hookup for 70-72 350.
>
> Sound desperate, don't I?
>
> tia
>
> roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:05:59 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Emergency Brake cable won't fit?!?

How much are they and is it easy to do? Do I have to gut the whole old
setup or can I use some of the wires?

- ----------
> From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Emergency Brake cable won't fit?!?
> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 5:45 AM
>
> Peter
>
>         I forgot to tell you on the phone that the front and center cable
> assm are different and need to be swapped to TH400 pieces. They are
available.
>
> Jim Chermack
>
> At 11:19 PM 7/5/1998 -0500, you wrote:
> >I swapped in a Th-400 in my 72 442 convt. in place of where a TH-350
once
> >was. The crossmember went back a little bit because of the 400's longer
> >length. The problem I now have is that the emergency brake setup is not
> >working properly. There is not enough tension in the lines. What must I
do?
> >How do I go about doing it?
> > I figure that I can delete the whole setup, but I wouldn't mind having
> >emergency brakes on hand, just in case......
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:10:25 EDT
From: <Dons5043@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

Bruce wrote;

>Does anyone know what "88" or "98" stood for anyway? Just wondering.

It would appear that from 1912 a model number was introduced. This was 40.
The following year a model number 53 was introduced.
Untill 1922 "40" seemed to be it, 43,46, 47.
Then suddenly in 1923 a model 30 appeared. This seemed to be the number used
untill 1928, from then it became a year thing. Model 28 in '28, 29 in '29 etc.
In 1939 three series were introduced, 60, 70 and 80, and 90 in 1940.
It then follows that a series 60 with a six cylinder engine is a 66 and so on,
although the 80 series was not used again untill 1948 when the Rocket 88 was
introduced.

Sorry that this is a little long winded, but I hope it explains.
The History Center is on 517 885 1502.

Tony.


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:49 -0400
From: "Angel's Mailbox" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: Major violation.  (Re: Huh?)

Ok, ok. I think I've read enough of this baloney. My opinion is that
everyone should drop it. Everything that was going to be said HAS been said.
Greg, you have the Power Supreme to end this any time now. I see you've
given us some slack but please!!!

I got a proposition for everyone on the list involved in this "dissing this,
dissing that". Why don't we shoot for a deadline for the subject. Anything
else that you want to say, say it before midnight (eastern) and tomorrow we
go back to being informative and helpful.

Just my thoughts.

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442------> 307 (5A), TH-350, 3.73 gears

- -----Original Message-----
From: CRuper1@aol.com <CRuper1@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>;
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 1:01 PM
Subject: Major violation. (Re: Huh?)


>As I'm reading through the loads of crap put out lately about movie cars,
and
>slamming other people I find the following message.  First thing to say is
>this stuff is getting old.  Too bad Mr. Witt wasn't around for some of
this,
>or he'd be ranting and raving over all the extra crap.  I do agree with
Greg
>that the first message was marginal (at best) in the way it was written.
But
>the following is somewhat beyond limits.  As far as I can tell, this is a
copy
>of a conversation that two members had on what is called AOL IM (instant
>messages, somewhat of a chat, between Ojunebuggo and Loosecanno).  The fact
>that it took place is irrelavent, it didn't go through the list (initially)
>which is the correct place to do the "trash talking".  The problem is that
>this (at one time) private conversation now gets posted to the list.  I'd
say
>all of this is out of line for either person, and posting it to the list
makes
>it even worse.
>
>PLEASE, take this off the list completely!!!!! And let all of us get back
to
>talking Oldsmobiles.
>
>Thanks you,
>Chris Ruper
>
>In a disgusting message dated 98-07-06 01:30:28 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> I have met a lot of cool people online.  But i've elso met people like
this
> (presumably, a list member)
> OJUNEBUGGO: Promotion Entrepreneur....Hua'? What kind of business are you
> starting? Ripping off peoples picts. of cars so you can sell em! Big movie
>car
> man!! Ooooooohh!!!!
> OJUNEBUGGO: punk, wanna see what WEST SIDE really is
> OJUNEBUGGO: Did they really turn down your car for thee movie.
> BITCH
>
> WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH YOU GUYS??
>
> Erik >>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:29:10 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Super Clean (was: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?)

In a message dated 98-07-06 11:08:49 EDT, you write:

<< I will also agree with previous posts that it will dry
 your skin out (severely) and you will peel like a sun burn! >>


I used the GOJO or whatever the other stuff is with Lanolin in it, right
afterwards, and my arms and hands are fine. Must be the lanolin.   Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:18:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Major violation.

On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Angel's Mailbox wrote:
> I got a proposition for everyone on the list involved in this "dissing this,
> dissing that". Why don't we shoot for a deadline for the subject. Anything
> else that you want to say, say it before midnight (eastern) and tomorrow we
> go back to being informative and helpful.

Uh, no.

It is ended, as of now. I have sent private messages to certain
individuals and they have been put on notice. Now, PLEASE FOLKS, drop
this!!!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:43:23 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: rubber mounts?

I bought at the local olds dealer,I guess there still available from olds
            Butch 68 442 post

THOMAS JACQUILLARD wrote:

> B Vosburgh wrote:
> >
> > I used a couple of ac condencer rubber mounts on mine (SNIP)
> Where can I find a set of these? I am trying to get my AC back together.
> T.J.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 16:24:23 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: Major violation.

Thank you

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:28:16 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oven Cleaner--Super clean

I have used "Eagle-One" mag cleaner on my intake(aluminum) with ghreat
results!...just make sure that you buy the stuff that is NOT safe for
clearcoated wheels! The clearcoated wheel cleaner is WAY to mild. The good
stuff is the cleaner that is intended for use on "brushed" aluminum....As for
engine cleaners?...I suggest a strong mix of dishwashing detergent and a
brush...it is the ONLY thing that REALLY works!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:34:04 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1995 Cutlass Convertible

List members,
   I need some information.  I am considering purchasing a 1995 Cutlass
convertible(1 owner,triple black with 22K miles).  Do any list members
own one of these cars?  If so, what is your opinion?  Do you think they
will be a good investment over time? Any thoughts or suggestions on
these particular convertibles?
   This particular car has the double overhead cam 3.4L engine.  Are
these good engines?  I have heard the alternator is very difficult to
replace on this engine because of space limitations.
   I am on the digest.  Please e mail me directly so I don't have to
wait till tomorrow for my reply(s).
   Thanks for any information.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:34:54 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

Eagle-One aluminum wheel cleaner...for BRUSHED aluminum wheels!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:23:35 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Must-Have Books (Was Re: Web Pages)

Thanks, Corey!  Almost forgot about those two.

Now that I remember, I also have a book called "OLDSMOBILE: The Performance
Years" that has a lot of really cool stuff in it including pictures of some of
the Cam-Am alloy 455's and the 4-valve Hemi 455's.  I don't see it right in
front of me, but I think it was by someone named Schorr <sp>.  It has original
dealer catalog/sales brochure pictures in it for references.  Also, can't
forget the issues of Olds In Action (how many were there?), one has a lot of
references to my friends Dave and Karen Smith.

Any others I might have forgotten?

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:34:40 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Must-Have Books (Was Re: Web Pages)

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Thanks, Corey!  Almost forgot about those two.
>
> Now that I remember, I also have a book called "OLDSMOBILE: The Performance
> Years" that has a lot of really cool stuff in it including pictures of some 
of
> the Cam-Am alloy 455's and the 4-valve Hemi 455's.

Yes, by Martyn L. Schorr, a Quicksilver Communications, Inc.
publication.  167 Terrace St, Haworth, NJ 07641.  Copyright 1983.
Excellent book.  Inside cover has Linda Vaughn in the "trunk" of the
~'66~ Hurst Hairy Olds....very cool.

Another neat book is "The Hurst Heritage" by Bob Lichty and Terry Boyce,
also of 1983 printing.  The Dobbs Publishing Group was responsible for
this one.  Has a TON of cool info for the Hurst cars and shifters.
Extra cool.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:41:07 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass/no such thing as a 442 after 1972

Thats when Insurance companies and Ralph Nadar put the brakes on the big
muscle.
Horsepower dropped and suddenly you were once again driving your dads
oldsmobile.
What once was part of a elite force the 442 stood for. The same as the
buick GSX and so on.
The engines listed below like everything else was down sized to fill a spot
in the economy. Ever see a real car with a 260? a 307? A 403 was something
grand dad had in his delta 88. The 400 was like the 455 left out to see
like a boat anchor.
If you had decals that said 442 you were thought to be bad, a race car
even. Oh yes 307 cu.in 125 hp but it has air and decals and almost the
torgue of a wheel chair.
So who cares what 442 stands for. Have fun and remember, there is not
subsitute for cubic inches.
Rocket "J" Squirrel

- ----------
> From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dumb-ass
> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 11:05 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-07-06 13:39:35 EDT, you write:
>
> << << I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4
brl.
>  dual
>   exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400,
403,
>   455.....who knows what else.......????
>    >>
>  I always thought 442 stood for:
>  Four Speed
>  4 bbl. carb
>  Dual exhaust
>   >>
>
> well, the first 442s really stood for 4bbl, 4speed, dual exhaust, but
they
> sold so good, i guess they decided to make it the actual model of car
instead
> of just an option.  when they did this, they started to put automatic
trannys
> in there, which were 3 speeds, and later on they started putting in the
> smaller engines.  but from what i have heard, this is what happened.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

- ---Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net> wrote:
>
> Eagle One Mag cleaner type B. Best thing in the world for cleaning
> aluminum.

Agreed,And oven cleaner is great for engine's,but DON'T
use oven cleaner on aluminum,unless you like that pitted and dull
look!!!!
John
==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:15:13 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Article in MCR=stinks

I just read that article in MCR about better GM brakes cheap. It was a stink
bomb. They tell you about rear wheel cylinders from an old wagon no part
#'s,or how much better would it be! Any improvements on a skid pad?? Is it
worth it. What about going up to 11 inch drums. There main concern was
aluminum drums to make it lighter. I dont think that will stop me any faster.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:32:15 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Article in MCR=stinks

At 06:15 PM 7/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I just read that article in MCR about better GM brakes cheap. It was a stink
>bomb. They tell you about rear wheel cylinders from an old wagon no part
>#'s,or how much better would it be!

Station Wagon cylinders are larger, but I don't think they actually fit.
I just had to return 2 rear wheel cylinders be cause they didn't fit the
Wagon.
They didn't come out far enough from the backing plate to line up with the
shoes
(2 1/2" wide drums).

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:39:38 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
>
> Well, Michael, it seems that any of those  possibilities hold. What seems
> more interesting is that you have a '72 Cutlass Supreme. A very nice car by
> any means, however, why the W-25 hood? "72 Supremes didn't come with W-25
> hoods, back then.

I beg to differ.  The options list for the '72 Cutlass Supreme (as well
as the Cutlass and the Cutlass S) lists the W25 option as available.
What was not availble on Supremes/convertibles was the W35 reardeck
spoiler.  Funny though, I don't see THAT listed as on option on ANY '72
model, can someone clarify this?

- --
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71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:24 EDT
From: <BigEJ@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Same questions + worth it! (Olds content)

Hi All:

I came in late on this thread, so if it has been straightened out please just
ignore all this:

KarlAune@aol.com writes:

<The J-2 tri-power intake first appeared in 1956 on a 371cid block.>

Incorrect on both counts!  The only 50's to offer tri power on Olds were 57
and 58!  The 371 engine wasn't introduced until the 1957 models.

< A similar style, if not exactly the same, was available from 1957 to 1959
(?) on 394cid blocks>

The 394 was first introduced for 1959 models.  Tri power was never offered by
Olds on anything except 371's.

<Can anyone say for certain whether or not the 1958 394cid block is different
from the 1964 394cid block.>

Again if it is a 1958 it isn't a 394.

<In particular, can I bolt a 1958 tri-power intake to a 1964 98's 394?
(without machining)>

No!   If it is a 394 a 371 tri power (the only stock Olds tri power) will not
fit.

Olds used the "J2" designation all through the 50's, generally to signify
racing options.  (sort of the W-30 of the 50's).  In the 57 model year they
introduced two different J2 options both with tri power.  Both of these
engines were carried over into 1958 but were discontinued at the end of the
year.

1959 introduced the 394 as an upper level engine to the 371's which were kept
as lower level engines for 59 and 60.

I hope this helps more than confuses.

Elephant Engine Ernie
AKA Ernie Johnson

67 442
50  88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:17:38 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

In a message dated 98-07-06 12:27:19 EDT, you write:

<< I can't seem to get a grip when I leave the line.  I am wearing a set of
BFGoodrich Radio Drags with 3.42 gears. >>

You are, huh?

Is that considered casual dress?

But seriously, I am not familiar with that tire. What is the size, especially
width?
You do know that tire height (diameter) actually alters your "total" gearing?
A taller tire's surface will spin (relatively) faster than a shorter tire.
So one 'fix' might be to use a shorter tire.
Another would be a wider tire for more rubber/road contact area at any given
time.

But the easiest fix....

Try leaving the line at part throttle instead of WOT.

Just for the split second that it takes to just barely get started moving.
More of a standing start than a brake torque.

But that is just my opinion...

Of course, you could dig into your transmission and lower the gear
multiplication for first gear only........

KA
&SOM

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:21:50 EDT
From: <JBSERVS@aol.com>
Subject: TIMING 75 CUTLASS 350

i can't seem to get my timing nailed down.  the recomendation is a 20 degrees
before but it runs really rough. at high rpm my car is ok but low and mid
range i bog down.  acceleration is gone.  i need help

thanks
seb

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:25:48 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

Previously, Willie enlightened;

<< ALthough,  offenhauser and Weiand did make tri-carb, six carb, and dual
quad aluminum manifolds for the early years (54-56).  >>

Also saw an Edmunds (do not ask, never heard of 'em) dual quad for '56 or just
earlier.

Great stuff Willie!

Can Dave Brown quote you for the Oldsmobile FAQ?
This kind of detailed info is gold!

My (superceded) copy of FAQ;

Year        Engine Series       CID
'54-'58         7, 8, 9              324 & 371
'59-'60              7                 371
'59-'60           8, 9                394
'62-'63         2, 5, 8              394
1964               4                   394

And "Setting the Pace" confirms, no 394's before 1959.
So all J-2's (with the possible exception of the 1956 concept car) were on 371
motors. Everything I have seen indicates that the 394's were exactly the same
block as the 371's (exactly the same stroke as the 371's).

I guess I will find out when I visit my favorite 1964 98's next week-end.

Thanks again!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:35:55 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what "88" or "98" stood for anyway? Just wondering.
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.

Just wanted to confirm what someone else already said.

Back in the early 40's Olds model names were: Series 60 Special
(available with a straight six of straight eight, hence 66 or 68),
Series 70 Dynamic Cruiser (76 or 78) and Series 90 Custom Cruiser (96 or
98, yes, there was a 96, in '41).  Eventually the Series 60 was dropped
(after '48), the Series 70 became the 76 (only available with a 6,
starting in '49) and the six was dropped from the 90 Series and that
model was known as the Series 90 Custom 8 Cruiser and eventually the
Ninety Eight.  In '49, there were originally only two models the Ninety
Eight (with the new Rocket engine) and the 76.  If didn't take the
factory long to figure out they could put that V8 in the lighter 76 body
styles and have a pretty hot car.  Although this model was never
referred to as the 80 Series, I guess the factory figured that 8 was a
natural to come between 7 and 9.  These models were only available with
the V8 engine, hence the 88.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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