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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, July 10 1998        Volume 01 : Number
1358



Re: Olds block casting number
brackets
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Yarding - last call.
Re: 82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing
Re: Olds block casting number
394 Vibrational damper
Re: 82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing
REVENGE IS SWEET
Re: Survey ??? Hold it!
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET (no olds content- it's late, I apologize)
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET
RI Junkyard Finds
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET
'82 Caprice
Underpowered Cars
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET - NON Olds
#1 Bandwidth waster (was Revenge)
Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors
Re: brackets
Re: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: RI Junkyard Finds
Tranny Crosmember, UUGH,help
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET
Re: Indy 500-- Documentation for cars at the track in 1970!!
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Need 67 Parts
Re: Rocket Motor
Ring and Pinion
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
ADMIN: Revenge etc.
Re: ADMIN: Revenge etc.
Oldsmobile 1942 B44
RE: '80s sport steering wheel
Re: Ring and Pinion
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: Ring and Pinion
Test Your Knowledge - Question 1
RE: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Ring and Pinion

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:41:02 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

In a message dated 98-07-09 23:47:54 EDT, you write:

<<  I DO NOT HAVE THE #3 HEADS ON MY BLOCK.....THE GUY I BOUGHT THE CAR
 FROM PUT A SET OF THE C HEADS (67-69 400 HEADS) ON IT.  HE SAID THAT THEY
 WOULD GIVE THE ENGINE MORE POWER.
    >>
    Whats that bump the compression ratio up to? I was thinking about the
head
swap, but from 8:1 to 9:1 is about 3% hp gain. Not enough for me to justify
the cost. Solution..get a bigger Olds motor. Torque is the answer : )
Dorian

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:48:59 +0300
From: Jukka.Kujala@outokumpu.com
Subject: brackets

what€s the best way fix up broken shaft bracket in cylinder head (394 cid
€63)? Is is possible to find new ones, or do i have to try to find used
cylinder heads to get another shaft bracket? Is there a danger that engine
may destroy if one shaft bracket leaks?

Jukka
Olds dynamic 88 conv €63

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:58:00 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

>It's good to have something like that, to avoid strapping the 4x8 sheets
of
>plywood and drywall to the roofs of the cars you *really* care about (Bob
>says, now that he has a Jeep for such things...)

When I was just a lad and my dad was building the house he used the Vista
Cruiser to haul supplies from time to time. (Plywood doesn't fit between
the
fenderwells but that car will *Swallow* 8-foot 2x4s.:)  I remember one time
riding in that little jump seat section of the middle seat next to a bunch
of new windows.

Heh, voulinteered last week to help someone move.  Ended up moving a lot of
the smaller stuff in the back of my Vista Cruiser.  Lucky it was a short
move.  Turned my Yellow Submarine into a ferry, made no less than six trips
packed full of household stuff and small furniture.  That,  ladies and
gentlemen, is a *lot* of stuff. :)

Anywayz, couldn't resist filling out the survey.....

>heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
>as you and I are; check all the following that apply:
>
>( ) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them

Oh yeah.  :)

>( ) You own more engines than cars to put them in

Not yet, soon to change.  Well, in a way I'm in the red engine-wise since
most people don't really consider that little 260 V8 an engine.  :)

>( ) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
>one/some of those cars?"

I think so.  I'm still shocked when I find someone who thinks I may not
actually find the V-C a desireable car. :(

>( ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
>homebuying priorities

Well, I still live at home and commute to college so I can work on my cars
in my spare seconds....That count?

>( ) You buy oil by the case

Guilty as charged.

>( ) You buy oil by the case every month

No, I don't start the '67 very often. :)

>( ) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind

Does that "road hazard" coverage on the new(ish) tires count?

>( ) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
>classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to
drive

.....and get dirty looks every time I say "this looks interesting."

>At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:

>( ) a decade

The `67 hasn't been tagged in 10 years.  It *technically* can start and
move
under it's own power.  Whenever I do start it I have to call the fire
department and let them know "It's just me."  :)

>( ) has never moved under its own power

I've had the 80 Calais for 9 months and it still only moves when drug
behind
the tractor with a chain.

>( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can

I'm teetering on the edge there too.  I noticed some clattering the last
time I started the `67. :)


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:49:39 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Yarding - last call.

On my way to a decent yard to fetch the 1966 Toro choke coil and a vib.
damper
for a 394 as wellas misc. parts for me.

I am also willing to keep an eye out for parts for others - Email PRIVATELY
-
to KarlAune@aol.com.

Please send desire and price ceiling.

Known cars: 1965 Dynamic 2dr hdtop
2 1964 98's
2 1966 Toro's
1 1959-61 Dynamic 88
   ....hmmmm with 371cid through 1960...
(sorry, I may reserve that for myself)

Other Oldses more recent, but my pix are *still* being scanned.......

I will likely refuse or put off requests for high-ticket items until after
the
Nats.
However, my inventory will also be more complete.

More caveats, but you get the Idea.

Timely responses replied to Friday night.
Sorry, not dragging axles/diffs around.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:54:13 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing

> Isn't that the V6 that
> comes in the Olds's and Buicks and Pontiacs?  And, if so, would the
> tranny be the Olds-style bell housing?

Not likely.  I think that's probably the 229 (?) chezy V6.  The 231 Buick
was
stuck in most reputable cars, but the bowties seldom got anything that
fancy
;)  To be certain, look for the distributor.  Front?  Buick.  Back?
Junk...
(heh heh)  If it's a che*y, the bell housing and motor mounts will be
wrong, and
won't happily accept a real motor.  If it's a Buick V6, you can put about
any
BOP engine in there, without changing trannies.  The lower motor mounts are
exclusive to that motor, though, so if you change sizes, you'll still need
to
change those, too.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:54:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

At 12:18 AM 7/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>DEAR ROBERT,
>          NO--MY ENGINE IS A 350 CI.  AFTER WRITING TO MONDELLO, THEY
REPLIED
>THAT IT IS FINE, AS LONG AS I GOT THE CORRESPONDING BIG BLOCK INTAKE, AND
HAD
>IT SHAVED DOWN SO THE PORTS WOULD MATCH UP.

As other list-members have found out, you need to take Mondello's advice
with a grain of salt.

What year is your 350? If it's a '77-'80 block with the stock pistons, the
large combustion chamber of the big-block heads wouldn't lower the
compression too much, since those 3A heads had rather large chambers to
begin with; even so, you'd be down to around 7.5:1 compression, which hurts
your power. With an early block and high-compression (10.25:1 shallow-dish,
or 10.5:1 W-31 flat-top) pistons, you might have above 8.0:1 compression,
which really is the minimum you'd want for any street motor.

As for "shaving down a big-block intake", that's not going to work; you'd
have to mill off a full inch of material from each side, which would result
in no flange or bolt holes (and the ports still wouldn't match). What you'd
need to do is port-match either an Edelbrock Performer _RPM_ intake (the
regular Performer 350 doesn't have enough material to enlarge those ports)
or a cast-iron factory intake (rumored to have enough material).

An even better bet is to use a set of early 350 heads (5, 6, 7, or 7a),
which would maintain or increase the compression of your engine; the "C"
heads will flow well at high-rpms, but unless you've got 4.56:1 gears and
you're driving in the 4000-7000rpm range most of your time, the results
will
be unsatisfying, compared to what a well-prepped set of early 350 heads
would net you.

Good luck with the motor; is it running now, or are you in the process of
building it?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:01:08 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: 394 Vibrational damper

the 394 was available from 1959 (?) to 1964.

Is the same V.B. appropriate for all applications?

Can I (in good conscience) supply the owner of a 1961 car with the damper
from
a 1964 car?

I know same boreXstroke, same basic block, but does anyone know if the
crankshaft was changed slightly in those years, necessitating (?) a
slightly
different vibrational damper?

If so, please respond timely and prevent a possible tragedy.
 (1964 damper on 1960-61 vehicle)

Thanks much.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:05:40 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing

In a message dated 98-07-10 00:38:42 EDT, you write:

<< t that the V6 that
 comes in the Olds's and Buicks and Pontiacs?   >>


     It probably is, but you might get lucky and have the Unicase 350 in
it.
(Both bolt patterns) I've only seen one, but it WAS on an '82 Cutlass
Supreme
with the 6 cylinder. Hopefully it would be. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: REVENGE IS SWEET

Hi Gang,
     Just having some fun here,If you want some "Auto Revenge" check
out this page:
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-5.html

This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!But some are actually tried & true.
John

==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:15:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Survey ??? Hold it!

At 08:42 PM 7/9/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hey guys?
>While I am close to a case of motor oil every month for one car.....
>Isn't this survey thing a little nuts?

I didn't think I'd have to say this, but those questions on the survey,
they
were more like RHETORICAL questions, as kinda food for thought, which I
didn't really expect a response to from every member of the list. As a
former digest member, I can see where that would get tedious to the
*extreme*.

If anyone did feel the need to fill it out, you can always e-mail me
directly at mailto:rbarry@providence.edu with your answers.

Of course, further items on the checklist *would* be worthwhile
contributions to the list, as long as the entire body of the post isn't
*re*posted.

>A web page rogue's gallery where you fill out a survey (dossier,
whatever..)
>and a body could just page through and say "Hmmmm, I had no idea that
he/she
>had so many cars."

Do we really want to document our disorders in this manner... ? ;)

>My apologies for what is only my personal hallucinations.
>
>KA
>&SOM

C'mon, Karl; can't you do something about trimming your .sig line? Geez,
you
think we all own Pentiums? ;)

- -b

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:21:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET (no olds content- it's late, I apologize)

At 10:08 PM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>     Just having some fun here,If you want some "Auto Revenge" check
 [snip]
>This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!But some are actually tried & true.

Looked at them, but I still can't get over the portion of the procedures
from item #2: "Find a dead cat/dog and put the collar on it"

What kind of neighborhood do you live in that you can regularly find
something like that?  ;)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:40:30 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET

hmmm
I wish people could be more mature sometimes.
Smart enough to make a web page yet not smart enough to realize the impact
it has on America's (or the worlds) fast food teenage culture.

Brett Wilson
Developer
Digital Motorworks
Austin TX
bwilson@dmotorworks.com

>Hi Gang,
>     Just having some fun here,If you want some "Auto Revenge" check
>out this page:
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-5.html
>
>This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!But some are actually tried & true.
>John
>
>==
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
>1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
>1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
> mailto:super442@yahoo.com
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:53:54 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET

Not bad!  (Well, I guess it ~is~ kinda bad, but in a good way.  Actually,
it's
~good~ in a bad way...  Something like that!)

Here's one of my personal favorites, although I've never had the nerve to
try
it.  Involves a bit of work though.  Needed tools:  Small hand drill,
syringe,
couple quarts gun powder, clear silicone sealer.

Step one, drill hole in each high beam headlamp (works ~best~ on 4 lamp
systems,
only f**king the inner 2)
Step two, using syringe, (should work, might take some perfecting here)
insert
gun powder into headlamp, and fill 'er up good!
Step 3, seal light back up.  Step four, wait for the mark to drive at
night.
Make sure you get a few blocks ahead of him, turn around (once out of
sight) and
meet the mark with ~your~ high beams on.  Being a normal driver, he'll hit
his
brights to alert you of the fact.  The alert will be a little more
informative
than he'd originally suspect, and you'd be right there to watch it
happen...
Conveniently.

If they're halogens, they might need to stay on for a while, I don't know.
I
imagene incandescents would be immediately effective, though.  Turn signal
lamps
would make nice smaller flares, too, useful for daylight fireworks!  :)

			-----------------------
How about removing the retainer clips on one of the U-joints, and loosening
the
cap bolts slightly.  Give a bit of a suprise somewhere down the road.
			-----------------------
How about tying a rope to one of the spokes of a rim?  Leave some slack
coiled
under the car, and tie the other end to the front bumper.  Ever seen a car
run
itself over?  I have, but it was a different event.  It was a chevy, and it
fell
apart on it's ~own~ accord.  And proceded to run itself over! :)
			-----------------------
I ~really~ like the water-in-tires idea.  That's highly amusing!
			-----------------------
Hmm...  If you've got ~lots~ of time, you could slim-jim the doors, and
remove
the inner door panels.  Then disconnect the linkages at the door ~latch~
(not
locks)  Put it back together, and set up a camcorder across the street
somewhere
to watch.  They'll get out there, unlock the car (which will work normally)
and
then go to open the door.  Uh oh.  They'll crank on that thing for about
five
minutes, then cuss a bit and go to the other door.  And then they start
screaming...  Heh heh!!!
			-----------------------
When I worked at McDonalds (about five years ago) we'd often go to a local
restaraunt after we'd close, and have cokes, or whatever, while unwinding.
One
night we spent probably three ~hours~ there, coming up with these schemes.
I'm
digging deep to remember them.  Most went ~well~ beyond the sugar in the
gas
tank, though.  Many would probably kill people if they were actually
implemented.  We were thinking about making a book or something, but like
most
ideas, they faded by morning (when sobriety returned...:)
			-----------------------
How about removing the back shocks on a Nova, and then watching it hit a
big
pothole...  When the springs have a habit of flying out...  Heh heh.
Or loosening the wheel bearings about six turns.  Or getting a drain pan
and
pulling the pumpkin cover off, swiping the C-clips, and putting the cover
back
on...

Oh, here's one.  Coat some ~large head~ screws with silicone, and use a
screw
gun to thread 'em in to some of the tire tread lugs.  Lots of 'em.  The
silicone
will keep it from going flat, and it'll make ~lots~ of noise on the
pavement :)

Hmm, you could rewire the turn signals to be backwards.  They'd ~never~
figure
out why everyone's flipping them off!!

How about wiring a siren up to the right turn signal.  I've spoken with
someone
that had it done to her.  Took forever to actually figure out the "cops"
were
following her.  Just noticed sirens in the distance, never gave a second
thought...  :)

You could wire up red and blue lights behind the grilles, and wire them
into a
radar detector...  When the fuzzbuster goes off, the lights start to flash.
 90%
of the time, the driver wouldn't have a ~clue~ the flashing was coming from
~his~ car, and since the fuzzbuster's going off (silently and hidden, of
course)
there's radar nearby.  Which means there's ~cops~ nearby, which means
"impersonating an officer" ticket at about $65 or so...  He'll try talking
his
way out of it, and the cop won't buy a thing!  :)

Get into the trunk, and tie a large steel nut to some fine wire.  Tie it to
some
recessed corner behind the hinges somewhere, so the nut hangs down about
8", so
it can bump against the 1/4 panel or something.  The rattling will drive
'em
nuts, and if done right they'll never find it.  I've actually heard of
people
doing this in the ~assembly lines~ in the early 80s, just to pull pranks on
the
sorry %$#!@#%$ doing the PDI's at the dealers!  They'd find nuts, beer
cans, all
kinds of stuff wired up inside the "C" pillar rattling around.  Just a
rumor,
which came from the same source as the one about che*y trucks coming in
with
"Sierra" on one fender and "Scottsdale" on the other.   Who knows.

Ooh, you could put in different speedo gears...  Might earn someone a
ticket.

Well, better go.  If I think of any other truly devious and dangerous ones,
I'll
send 'em to ya!  :)

Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RI Junkyard Finds

OK, well "finds" might be a bit of an overstatement...

I went to the nearby backwoods junkyard to get a spare rim for the truck,
and when talking to the owner, discovered that they were moving, so they
were going to be crushing the whole lot. This didn't move me very much,
since it only meant that there would be a lot fewer Nissans and such in the
world. I was driving the SX, and said it was too bad he didn't have any
older Oldses. He said he did have an older Olds, but when I went to check
it
out, it turned out to be a 4-door '76 Cutlass "S" with an I-6, that was
precariously stacked on top of another car.

Talking a bit more, and I found out that he did have a 455, which was
stuffed in a newer G-body Grand Prix. I went to check it out; "J"-heads,
"Fa" block <yawn>, but a non-EGR iron 4-bbl intake (with an crusty
Performer
carb on it), a Unilite distributor (no vacuum advance), and a "Z" manifold
on the passenger side. He seems to want to sell it whole, but I may go back
and make an offer on the good things.  I also saw a "DX" diesel block
there,
upside down in a bin with a few other diesel motors; maybe I can work out a
deal for just the shortblock on that, so I'll have something to put my 4A
heads on...

Quite a few 7A-headed 307's, and an early-80's Toronado, but that was it.
Still, it was more than I've found in other yards around here.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:55:11 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET

I did not write this to offend any-one it just happened to me....
glue in the locks, keyed paint..
not on an olds though...
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET


>
>
>
>hmmm
>I wish people could be more mature sometimes.
>Smart enough to make a web page yet not smart enough to realize the impact
>it has on America's (or the worlds) fast food teenage culture.
>
>Brett Wilson
>Developer
>Digital Motorworks
>Austin TX
>bwilson@dmotorworks.com
>
>>Hi Gang,
>>     Just having some fun here,If you want some "Auto Revenge" check
>>out this page:
>>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-5.html
>>
>>This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!But some are actually tried & true.
>>John
>>
>>==
>>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
>>1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
>>1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
>>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
>> mailto:super442@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________
>>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:01:37 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '82 Caprice

Wirtten  By: Eric Aksomitis

>>>I have an Uncle with a 82 C*^v Caprice, V6.  The V6
is toast, and he's not interested in adding the car to the archives!  He
was asking me about a 305 for it, and I thought: Isn't that the V6 that
comes in the Olds's and Buicks and Pontiacs? <<<

I believe that the '82 Caprice came with the Chevy 4.3l V-6 which is a 350
(5.7l) minus 2 cylinders.  It could also be a 229 (3.8l) V-6 which is a
Chevy 305 minus 2 cylinders (not to be confused with the Buick 231 (3.8l)
V-6).  It is probably not a Buick V-6.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:01:30 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Underpowered Cars

Written By : Thomas Martin:

>>Anyone got a stab at the most underpowered car made by GM?<<

I was thinking of the diesel Chevette (0-60 in 27 seconds, more with air
conditioning) but the big  Buick with a 231 probably be slower.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:09:25 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET - NON Olds

> I wish people could be more mature sometimes.
> Smart enough to make a web page yet not smart enough to realize the
impact
> it has on America's (or the worlds) fast food teenage culture.

Odds are ~very~ good that the fast food/teenage culture is ~not~ spending
nights
reading John's web page.  The ones you describe are more likely learning
how to
build bombs out of mayonaise somewhere on the net, and checking out nude
pictures of Minnie Mouse somewhere else.  Don't think so?  Glance through
this
stuff:
ftp://wiretap.spies.com/Library/Untech/   Tons of stuff that makes John's
page
look like a toddler playing with Legos.  This was a simple "search" away,
anybody can find ~millions~ of pages just like it, if not more destructive.
 And
most of them aren't billed in this manner:
> >This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!  John

I thought it was funny.  I also suggested some additions privately.  While
it
may not necessarily be an Olds related subject, and not necessarily
appropriate
for this list, there are many here who probably will get a chuckle out of
it,
and some that won't.  However, those that are offended by such information
should be warned off well in advance by a "Revenge" subject title.

Maturity?  It's all relative.  It's one thing to grow old and tight.  It's
something else to be able to retain some aspects of youth no matter what
your
age is.  If childish humor is the worst of it, it doesn't sound that bad to
me.

Whoa.  Is it hot in here?  I feel like we're in Florida all of a sudden.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:18:47 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: #1 Bandwidth waster (was Revenge)

My quick apologies for sending my five mile long "revenge" addendum to the
list,
it was ~supposed~ to go straight to John.  I'm gonna have to practice that
cut-n-paste thing some more, apparantly.  Since it ~did~ go public, I'll
add my
disclaimer that any and all of the ideas submitted are illegal, immoral,
and
stupid, as well as deadly, and that ~I'd~ never do anything like that, nor
would
I actually recommend anyone else do it.  Been on the other end of vandalism
myself too many times, and it sucks.  I ~do~ however, find immense, and
perverse
humor in the ideas, so I hope that don't make me a bad person :)  Also, any
vehicles so desecrated, should anyone want to follow up, must be chevrolet
only...  (With all the GM strike stuff, I ~had~ to throw that in there;)

Jeez, if I'd have sent that out yesterday, we could probably have a new
world
record for the digest, what with all the survey quotes getting reposted and
all.  I still don't know if I'm supposed to be proud or ashamed to be able
to
check ~every~ box!  :)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:26:15 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors

In a message dated 98-07-09 10:31:48 EDT, you write:

<< On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu> wrote:
 > . . . I think there isn't anything that GM could have done differently
to
 avoid
 > this financial pickle, they just got shafted by the UAW.  The UAW is so
 huge,
 > you can't turn your back. . . .
 *****************
 I worked for General Motors, at the giant Ypsilanti, Michigan Hydramatic
 transmission plant between 1976 and 1981.  As you might recall, this was
 the "Roger Smith" era.  This is when General Motors should have started
 making changes for their future survival.  This is when Chrysler
 Corporation slipped at the edge of the bottomless pit of bankruptcy and
 desperately clung to life.  This is also when Ford Motor Company began the
 modernization of its operations worldwide.  Under the direction of Roger
 Smith however, all that General Motors did was to pull the various
 divisions together under management groups.  Nothing important about the
 actual work process for building vehicles was changed.  I think that the
 thought on the 13th floor of the General Motors building at that time was
 that they were so big that they didn't need to make anything more than
 marketing decision changes to survive.  That may still be the case
although
 its finally starting to look as if reality is overtaking them.  The result
 is that today General Motors uses about 40% more employee hours to build
 each vehicle, than does either Chrysler or Ford.  I believe that the only
 GM exception to this is Saturn, which of course got to start with a clean
 sheet of paper.  So now we get to watch two old dinosaurs (GM and the
UAW),
 flex their muscles and try to stare each other down.  I don't believe that
 either side actually realizes yet, just what bad shape they're in.


 > . . . But remember, these UAW workers are making something like $50 per
 > week during strikes, so they need to get back to work if ~they~ don't
 want to
 > lose ~their~ backs, too! . . .
 *****************
 I have a brother-in-law and a high school friend who both are production
 workers at Hydramatic.  Both of course are now laid off and drawing state
 unemployment benefits.  That is more like nearly $300 per week, rather
than
 $50, but I'm sure that figure varies by state.  Still it isn't the 90% of
 their normal weekly take home pay though, which they would have received
as
 a combinatoin of unemployment compensation and sub-pay during a normal
 layoff.  The strikers of course, don't qualify for the unemployment
 benefit.  Anyway I'm sure that they're all being hurt financially by the
 strike and layoffs, but most not as quickly as you might think.


 > I read somewhere that many GM lineworkers are ~salaried~ workers making
 > upwards of $40k or $45k per year.  That's a GREAT paycheck for a factory
 > worker, but the UAW is striking just because it can.  I think we should
 be
 > criticizing the UAW instead of GM,  . . .
 ******************
 I don't know of any production auto workers who are anything but "hourly"
 workers, but I do know that with overtime they easily can be paid $45,000
 or more per year.  As someone who' did it for five years though, I can
 testify that it's a hard way to make a living.  Now I don't believe that
 the UAW locals have struck "just because they can".  They're protesting
the
 production jobs which General Motors has moved to facilities in Mexico.
 What they're really after though, is attempting to keep the GM process and
 workforce "fat".  That is to say, to keep all the jobs they currently
have.
 That hasn't worked at Chrysler or Ford, and I think that it's obvious that
 for long term survival, it also can't happen at GM.  I think that both
 sides have responsibity though.

 Now, for a weak attempt to include some Oldsmobile content here I'll say
 that for the Saturn Division to stay healthy I think that need to divorce
 themselves from General Motors to the greatest degree possible.  That
would
 also work for Oldsmobile too, if they had their own management team and
the
 line of credit necessary to build modern production facilities as quickly
 as possible.  Unfortunately, it appears that they currently have neither.
  >>
Well fellas, I thought I add my .02$ worth.  I am a union member.  I belong
to
the USWA (United Steel Workers of America). I currently work for National
Steel (Great Lakes Division).  My union dues are 20.00 a month and I make
about 50K with some overtime and working holidays.  Now, my job title is
skill
trade/ Millwright.  I tell you what, we are working with skeleton crews for
repairs.  The company wants to bring in non-union contractors and pay them
10.00 an hour.  Steel Mills are very dangerous.  In 1997 we had 5
accidental
deaths.  This year, two so far.  We employ 2800 hourly workers.  Production
people make less, but have it far worse. We work with extreme heat, liquid
steel and lots of chemicals, such as lime and graphite that justs flys
around
in the air from the conveyor belts.

Now you want to critisize the UAW and workers.  Production people are
hourly
and so are their skill trade.  Production people are prone to dangers as is
skill trade.  There are lots of moving equipment on assembly lines and
stamping plants.  workers in production are prone to repeatitive motion
that
causes carpultunnel and other ailments.  What I like to know is if GM sends
all there production to south of the border, who and the heck is going to
buy
cars.  GM supports itself and also alot of other small shops, like Lear
seating and Axle tubing that are already subcontractors but are unionized.
If
it wasnt for the unions, work places would still be alot more dangerous and
the pay could be still 10.00 a day.

I used to be against unions until I saw what a company can do to employees.
You become a number and the just want you there everday..

thanks Mark Prince,   sorry Greg, but I have to defend our Unions.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:09:28 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: brackets

Rocker Arm Specialist at 19841 Hirsch ct.  Anderson CA 96007 They have
chrome moly shafts.
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:48:59 +0300 Jukka.Kujala@outokumpu.com writes:
>
>what€s the best way fix up broken shaft bracket in cylinder head (394
>cid
>€63)? Is is possible to find new ones, or do i have to try to find
>used
>cylinder heads to get another shaft bracket? Is there a danger that
>engine
>may destroy if one shaft bracket leaks?
>
>Jukka
>Olds dynamic 88 conv €63
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:12:09 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: 394 Vibrational damper

It's worth the concern as there was two different 394s as far as rebuild
kits go.
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:01:08 EDT <KarlAune@aol.com> writes:
>the 394 was available from 1959 (?) to 1964.
>
>Is the same V.B. appropriate for all applications?
>
>Can I (in good conscience) supply the owner of a 1961 car with the
>damper from
>a 1964 car?
>
>I know same boreXstroke, same basic block, but does anyone know if the
>crankshaft was changed slightly in those years, necessitating (?) a
>slightly
>different vibrational damper?
>
>If so, please respond timely and prevent a possible tragedy.
> (1964 damper on 1960-61 vehicle)
>
>Thanks much.
>
>KA
>&SOM
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:43:41 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: RI Junkyard Finds

Which junkyard in RI?

Robert Barry wrote:

> OK, well "finds" might be a bit of an overstatement...
>
> I went to the nearby backwoods junkyard to get a spare rim for the truck,
> and when talking to the owner, discovered that they were moving, so they
> were going to be crushing the whole lot. This didn't move me very much,
> since it only meant that there would be a lot fewer Nissans and such in
the
> world. I was driving the SX, and said it was too bad he didn't have any
> older Oldses. He said he did have an older Olds, but when I went to check
it
> out, it turned out to be a 4-door '76 Cutlass "S" with an I-6, that was
> precariously stacked on top of another car.
>
> Talking a bit more, and I found out that he did have a 455, which was
> stuffed in a newer G-body Grand Prix. I went to check it out; "J"-heads,
> "Fa" block <yawn>, but a non-EGR iron 4-bbl intake (with an crusty
Performer
> carb on it), a Unilite distributor (no vacuum advance), and a "Z"
manifold
> on the passenger side. He seems to want to sell it whole, but I may go
back
> and make an offer on the good things.  I also saw a "DX" diesel block
there,
> upside down in a bin with a few other diesel motors; maybe I can work out
a
> deal for just the shortblock on that, so I'll have something to put my 4A
> heads on...
>
> Quite a few 7A-headed 307's, and an early-80's Toronado, but that was it.
> Still, it was more than I've found in other yards around here.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:46:51 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Tranny Crosmember, UUGH,help

Man.  I put the 455/TH400 combo into my '81 Delta.  Like I mentioned
befoure, 10.1CR, .030over, 272/280 AD, .448/.472 lift, 3.23posi, blah,
blah.  The trans is TH400 long tail from the '76 Delta.  I can't seem to
find a crosmember that works.  What about Regancy/Delta crossmembers with
200R4OD trans.  Looking at my Regancy (with OD) it looks like it will fit.
I got one crossmember from a '78 Regancy with short tail TH400, bolted it
up to the existing frame holes on my Delta but it is about 1.5" behind the
tranny mount.  Should I look for a new one or modify that one.  Can't move
it forward any more but can extend the plate that the mount sits on.  The
only other concern it the tail of the trans sitting about 1" above the
crossmemeber.  Looks like not enought clerance.  Is 1" good enought.  Plese
tell me what to do, I am going nuts.  Can't get the trans to sit right,
don't have the driveshaft yet, headers don't fit, ....  I just wan't it to
be over.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:31:32 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

No problems at all.  The only thing is when you absolutley turn the
steering all the way to the left, the right tire may rub a little against
steering, but the problem is so unoticable that it took me 2 months after I
bought the tires to relize it.  Another thing, thought, is I remeber you
were asking about headers for the Delta.  Just today I tried to fit some
headers on the '81 with the 455.  They did not work out, damn, but that is
because the 455 is taller and wider then the 307.  It cleared the frame and
even the steering colomn, but because they were small block headers, they
were to short on the bottom and hit the tranny shift lincage.  With the 307
thought, they would have been a great fit.  Had I gone with the 403 it
would have worked out.  Oh well.  They were FLOWTECH headers.  If you wan't
I can get the part number for you.  For once, Olds part was cheaper then SB
Chevy.  Taking the exaust manifolds off the 307 (on the engine stand) so
that I could bolt on the headers to see what they would sit like on that
motor, I noticed that the exaust manifolds were just as big as the 455 ones
(in fact I will use those).  Anyways, if you really want, get those headers
and 2.25" exaust, good long mufflers and downturn pipes.  The exaust will
be relativley cheap and any exaust shop will do it.  But I think that on
the 307, a good 2.25 or 2.5" exaust with stock manifolds will be good
enaugh.  If you have any questions about the headers just ask.  Igor.


- ----------
> From: HOFFAX181@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but
> Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:39 AM
>
> you don't have any probs with the 255's up front I have them on back but
> wasn't sure if they would fit up front

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:14:10 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET

Addendums


    Wet rolling paper and jam down center coil on distributor cap. While
wet it will conduct electricity, when it dries car shuts down for no
reason, and will not start.

    Rearrange wires on coil at random.

    If you know he drives at night, get 150 ft of 1/2 inch braided cable
with locking retainers, wrap around axle, drive shaft, bumper, etc,  attach
other end to to stationary object,  i.e., telephone pole, guard rail,
another car, etc, OR run it through several other car windows, around drive
shafts, through a building window and finally to a steel 50 lb dumbell
plate.

    Carefully remove all lug nuts from wheels.

    Remove headlights, attach model rocket igniters to wiring, attach
igniters to M-80, blackpowder, dynamite, etc.







John M wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>      Just having some fun here,If you want some "Auto Revenge" check
> out this page:
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-5.html
>
> This is meant for fun ONLY!!!!But some are actually tried & true.
> John
>
> ==
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
> 1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
> 1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
>  mailto:super442@yahoo.com
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:00:57 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Indy 500-- Documentation for cars at the track in 1970!!

I know of a '70 pace car that was driven on the track. One telltale sign
were the flag brackets that were welded to each corner of the car at the
bumper.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:11:11 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

I can attest to that! My first car was a '60 Bel-air. 235 6 cyl. A major
dog. In its defense though, it would eventually go over 100 mph. At that
speed the whole rear of the car wanted to leave the road due to the
"wings". Ah, what memories.
Maybe underpowered but it was very reliable.
(olds content) I don't recall ever having passed an Olds with it.

Mark
75 De....

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:07:28 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need 67 Parts

Tony,
I'm interested in the dash.
I need a 67 hood but those go roo high. Sometimes $400.
Keep me posted on the dadh.
Roger

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:39:18 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

Not sure about all Rockets, but my 71 has another tube coming out of the
waterneck going to the water pump.

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> I have a friend who knows a guy who says that he has a 1974 rocket motor.
> How can we be sure that it is a rocket motor.  The motor is colored gold
> which really dosn't mean any, right?
>
> Thanks
>
> ===========================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> 1971 Cutlass S 455
> Westside! Chitown IL
> ===========================

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:35:03 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Ring and Pinion

A friend of mind told me that you can take a pinion from a 4.10 and put it
on the ring from a 3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from the
other 4.10 unit. Is this true?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:52:44 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

Everett,

     It's always  good to hear from someone from RI online. I am taking it
that
you have a shop in Rumford, if I am right where are you located?
       The 71 project is a rotbox I got for a hundred dollars, with a rod
knock.
It had NHRA Racing seats in it so I know I at least got my moneys worth. I
am not
looking at doing it original as of yet, there are too many panels that have
rotted
through, and I can only do s omuch with a 110 Arc welder.
        It is a run of the mill Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, although at some
point in
time it was restored to look like a Ralleye, yellow body and bumpers. The
interior
is shot, and anything cosmetic is pretty gone too. So I wanted a 71, I got
one.
But it is going to be slightly noticable going down Newport Avenue.
        I am looking for some advice on adding horses to it though. My
expierience
tells me to go Chevy, but I would like to see what can be done with the
existing
block, besides a doorstop.

   Regards,

       Peter

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-08 04:20:18 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  YOu should have come to Rhode Island, there are 5 that I know of in my
>  hometown of Pawtucket. I am restoring/ pro streeting a 71 now and I know
of a
>  body shop restoring a 442, not sure of the year.
>
>      Peter
>   >>
> Greg was in Rhode Island, next door to Pawtucket, Rumford. Actually he
stopped
> in Pawtucket for directions. My Olds place is in Rumford call me
401-435-7139
>
> Everett   OCA# 1961   1991 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:59:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Revenge etc.

I find this entire revenge thread slightly distasteful and it is
certainly off topic. I'd ask everyone to end discussion on this, please.

Also on the admin side, please, gang, trim your follow-ups for me, will
you? Nothing worse than reading 3 pages of previously posted stuff to
find a single sentence added at the bottom.

Thanks.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:24:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Revenge etc.

- ---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

> I find this entire revenge thread slightly off topic. I'd ask
everyone to end discussion on this, please.
>
 Nothing worse than reading 3 pages of previously posted stuff to
> find a single sentence added at the bottom.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>
>
Apologies, everyone. I agree with Greg, if you have comments (good or
bad), please send them privately.
Thanks,
John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:08:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Oldsmobile 1942 B44

  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

- --1920162272-1523927267-900072537=:19569
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
Content-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.980710090306.19569F@chebucto.ns.ca>

I received this privately (though the picture was not readable). The=20
gentleman is in Colombia, South America. I imagine this must be a rare=20
model.=20

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rodrigo Bernal <polo@epm.net.co>
Subject: Oldsmobile 1942 B44

Hello,=20

Mr. Beaulieu, I am sending the pictuare of my OLDSMOBILE 1942 B44 I would
like to know owners of the same model of OLDSMOBILE and their address for
e-mail.=20

I=B4m in Medell=EDn, Colombia South America.

Thanks very much in advance for your help.

Regards.

Carlos Alberto Aguilar Eusse


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:41:54 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: '80s sport steering wheel

I picked up one in a boneyard (the same day I was dash removing for a
Delta owner) and got one for $5.00.  I was happy about that!  It was
closing time, and he was in a good mood.  It was in the truck of a early
Fox platform T-Bird, already off the car.  Donor car not found.

I need a horn button, anyone have one they are willing to sell for the
late model GT wheel?  This is the one that the connection from the hub
of the wheel is offset like the 80's Olds'.  Just black outside and
aluminum color (dark) on the middle.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:59:31 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
> A friend of mind told me that you can take a pinion from a 4.10 and put
it
> on the ring from a 3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from
the
> other 4.10 unit. Is this true?

Yeah, but I don't know why you'd do it. I guess if you just found a pile
of ring + pinions at junkyard and ID'd the right ones for you car, that
could be sort of justifiable. But, using old R+P's is not really the
good way to go, so I've been told.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:52:37 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

1975 was when Buick resurrected the 231 (from the ashes of the 225 it
sold to Jeep)  Did they have CAFE then?  (Corp Average Fuel Economy)
When I saw the Buick V6 emblem, and then saw the car, I was in shock!
It was a V6 by exhaust!  The rear ends in those cars never got anything
above 3.23, so if it got lucky, it got that.  It would be worse if it
got a THM375/400!  They suck up about 65 hp to run!  (so I have heard,
the THM350 is about 45).  Then turn on the big A6 AC compressor for
another 30 hp or so....You would be lucky to move!

My mom had a 85 HT4100 "D" car Cadillac.  It was a slug.  When I drove
(Rare) I use "D" instead of "OD".  Mileage was better....

But for you Delta owners, wanna tidbit for power?  ALL HT4100 cars in 85
came with 3.42 gears!!!!   And if it is High Alt spec?  3.73!!! Happy
hunting!  (snag the speedo gears in the trans while you are at it...)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:08:36 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 394 Vibrational damper

You should have no problem using a later balancer on an earlier block. I
believe that the only difference in the years was compression ratio,
camshafts, and carbs(2 or 4 barrel). The crankshafts should be the same.
Even
if the were slightly different, you wouldn't be able to feel the
difference.
Correct me if I am wrong?

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:12:09 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

In a message dated 98-07-10 07:36:58 EDT, you write:

<< A friend of mind told me that you can take a pinion from a 4.10 and put
it
 on the ring from a 3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from
the
 other 4.10 unit. Is this true?
  >>
This is not true!!!! You can't swap ring and pinions! Rings and pinions are
machined as a set and are notinterchangable. You will have terrible
problems
with backlash and preload.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:28:22 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com>
Subject: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1

TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE
The game show that identifies who the Oldsmobile
Gurus actually are and who just think they are. Questions
must include year and model, since answers may vary.
Please include a Sureness Factor (SF) with your answer.
The Sureness Factor is based on how sure you are your
answer is correct. SF can only range from 1 to 10 with 10
ten being completely sure (ie found it in Chassis manual).
The difficulty rating follows the same format with 10 being
impossible. Answers may not be one-word. An explanation
must follow. Winners will receive a lifetime supply of praise
and adulation (and maybe a toaster).

Question No: 1
Topic: Options
Difficulty Rating: 7
Question: For a '72 Cutlass, was the Nitewatch option
available to be ordered on the car at the dealership with
a rallye guage package option?



- --Jeff Cote
69 Cutlass S conv
70 Cutlass Supreme conv
72 Cutlass Supreme h/t

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:50:25 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1

>Question No: 1
>Topic: Options
>Difficulty Rating: 7
>Question: For a '72 Cutlass, was the Nitewatch option
>available to be ordered on the car at the dealership with
>a rallye guage package option?

I'll take a stab at this, but I don't have much info on 72s so I'm gonna
preface my answer with an "I'm probably not correct".  Anyway, from what
I have the T81 Nightwatch option was not available as dealer installed
equipment on intermediate cars in 72.  Only 88 models, custom cruiser,
ninety-eight and Toronado.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:54:13 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

well if you have the 350 olds try a edelbrock performer rpm a rebuilt
quadrajet maybe from the carb shop and headers the rpm cam kit might be ok
but you can do better from lunati get the mondello recommended grind the
same tricks can be done to the 455 but the intake wont fit so you could use
the std performer or torker .....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.


>Everett,
>
>     It's always  good to hear from someone from RI online. I am taking it
that
>you have a shop in Rumford, if I am right where are you located?
>       The 71 project is a rotbox I got for a hundred dollars, with a rod
knock.
>It had NHRA Racing seats in it so I know I at least got my moneys worth. I
am not
>looking at doing it original as of yet, there are too many panels that
have
rotted
>through, and I can only do s omuch with a 110 Arc welder.
>        It is a run of the mill Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, although at some
point in
>time it was restored to look like a Ralleye, yellow body and bumpers. The
interior
>is shot, and anything cosmetic is pretty gone too. So I wanted a 71, I got
one.
>But it is going to be slightly noticable going down Newport Avenue.
>        I am looking for some advice on adding horses to it though. My
expierience
>tells me to go Chevy, but I would like to see what can be done with the
existing
>block, besides a doorstop.
>
>   Regards,
>
>       Peter
>
>ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 98-07-08 04:20:18 EDT, you write:
>>
>> <<
>>  YOu should have come to Rhode Island, there are 5 that I know of in my
>>  hometown of Pawtucket. I am restoring/ pro streeting a 71 now and I
know
of a
>>  body shop restoring a 442, not sure of the year.
>>
>>      Peter
>>   >>
>> Greg was in Rhode Island, next door to Pawtucket, Rumford. Actually he
stopped
>> in Pawtucket for directions. My Olds place is in Rumford call me
401-435-7139
>>
>> Everett   OCA# 1961   1991 Starfire
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:56:57 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

they dont mix well and you couldnt do this without a spacer or shim so why
bother the wont live crossmatched like that...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion


>Johnson, Sam wrote:
>>
>> A friend of mind told me that you can take a pinion from a 4.10 and put
it
>> on the ring from a 3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from
the
>> other 4.10 unit. Is this true?
>
>Yeah, but I don't know why you'd do it. I guess if you just found a pile
>of ring + pinions at junkyard and ID'd the right ones for you car, that
>could be sort of justifiable. But, using old R+P's is not really the
>good way to go, so I've been told.
>
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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