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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, June 22 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1322



Re: Olds Museum
Re: Olds Museum
Re: Well I'm asking Crazy Questions?
Re: Olds Museum
My NEW Domain!!!!!!!!!
Re: Olds Museum
Re: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: Squeak
Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2
Re: '69 Cutlass Question
Re: 70 98 Power Locks answered+
Long list o' stuff available
66 Toro F/Sale
another switch pitch tork converter source!
Rain/tops off, was: Squeak
Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!
Production numbers
Re: Rain/tops off, was: Squeak
question about vendor for list
Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!
Site Update
How do you get even with your car?
1972 Cutlass Wagon For Sale
Re: How do you get even with your car?
Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!
RE: 70 98 Power Locks
Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!
Re: 70 98 Power Locks
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: '69 Cutlass Question
Re: Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2
Re: Fw: Parts Leads  (G body 442)
Re: Questions about compatibility.
TH425 for RWD??
Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!
Re: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels
Re: Cam install question, -urgent
Re: Cam install question, -urgent
Re: Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2
UNBOUNCE: suspension recomendations
Parts
ralley horn button
Air Cleaner
VIN decoding
New Olds Mailing List Archive Available
opinions pls re  valley pan

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:27:11 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Museum

In a message dated 98-06-21 19:22:20 EDT, you write:

<< Get a motel room, dude!  Better yet, bring a tent, you'll want to spend a
week!
 (I know ~I'd~ want to, when I ever finally get the chance!)  Two hours?
Might
 be rushing, from the pics I've seen.  Do they allow cameras in there???  If
so,
 get a bunch of pics of the Darth Vader car for me, ok?  I don't have ~any~
good
 ones, just the grainy b/w's that Car Craft made.  Evil of them!  Probably the
 most memorable article I've ~ever~ read (over and over and over and over
 and....)  That thing would pull 0.97 lateral g's!  Talk about the ultimate
 G-body!  ~I WANT IT!!!~  They put some experimental swirlport heads that were
 rumored to be rather hot, too.  For a 307, that is! >>

Actually, I am bringing a tent.  And if they don't allow cameras, I'll sneak
one in.  When I get back, I'll post the pictures on my web site since I just
got a scanner.

Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://members.aol.com/jcrash7

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:30:38 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Museum

> Actually, I am bringing a tent.  And if they don't allow cameras, I'll sneak
> one in.

You might have trouble sneaking the ~tent~ in, I know I'd ~try~ though!  :)
Have fun!
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:47:37 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Well I'm asking Crazy Questions?

Not at all, and since you must have been following the whole bank angle thing,
you must have noticed that I am not at all clear on it.

<< >1) What is cam-bank angle exaclty:  It's not the angle of the V of the
 >block, is it, or is it the angle that the cam hits the lifters?

 Neither (contrary to what you read in the latest Muscle Car Review).  The
 lifter bank angle refers to the angle of the lifter bores from vertical.
 Early motors used a 45 degree angle from vertical, later blocks used 39
degrees. >>

Thanks Joe.

I would have answered that myself, but I could not remember if it was degrees
from vertical or horizontal.

The main thrust of this note is to flesh out the ramifications of 39 vs. 45
degrees CBA.
(I did not read MCR...yet, is that the July issue?)

The common CBA today is 39 degrees. The early Oldsmobile small blocks
(1964-66?) and big blocks (1965-67) used the 45 degree CBA.

This usually causes difficulties when the stock camshaft is replaced. Pretty
tough to find cams for 45 degree CBA. They need a different lobe separation
angle or something (Karl not cam-guru). While some on this list have
"successfully" used 39 degree aftermarket cams in 45 degree blocks (Daren in
his 1965 Dynamic 88's 425 used the Edelbrock manifold/cam package), I do not
recommend it.

The reason that I do not recommend it is that as the cam spins, it will begin
to raise and lower the lifters on one side 6 degrees too early and on the
other side 6 degrees too late. This will be for both intake and exhaust.
Realize that the timing of the valves opening and closing can be a sensitive
matter.

Example: Consider a high lift, long duration cam as an extreme case.

The intake valve opens 6 degrees late, shortening the air/fuel mixtue inlet
time. It then closes 6 degrees late. This could possibly overlap with the
beginning of the compression stroke, meaning that some fuel is pushed back
into the manifold from the cylinder. The same is true of the exhaust stroke.
However, recursion of exhaust gas from the manifold can occur at high RPM in
cars that have the correct cam but slightly restrictive exhaust. Probably much
more so with a cam for the wrong CBA.

Again that was an extreme example. Please do not flame the Karl-monster if he
is wrong. A silver bullet of knowledge will do just fine.

OTOH, If your pushrods are shorter than they should be, this might not be a
problem (uhhh....right Joe?), but you are losing some of the lift that you
bought the cam for.

BTW thanks for that enlightement Joe! I did not know some cams required
different length pushrods to maintain the same geometry! Gee, the things you
learn here!

KA
& SOM

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:53:40 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Museum

Don't know about pix rules.

But the REOlds museum is not that big.
(Uhhhhh....from the outside anyway)

You will see the Darth Vader car.
But probably not the Hemi Olds.

(But ask! You never know!)

2 hours at the outside, with pix and drooling.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:12:06 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: My NEW Domain!!!!!!!!!

In celebration of my new scanner, I went and got a free domain for my site,
tell me if it works.  My new address is http://www.oldsmobile.home.ml.org or
http://oldsmobile.home.ml.org.  I also have a java applet in my table of
contents.  If it doesn't work, let me know and I'll make a non Java version.
Tell me how you like my Olds!  (Needs new paint in rear, I know, so please
don't point that out).

Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://www.oldsmobile.home.ml.org
~OR~
http://oldsmobile.home.ml.org

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:12:48 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Museum

KA/SOM wrote:

> 2 hours at the outside, with pix and drooling.

Aparantly Karl isn't aware of how long ~I~ can drool ;)  I'd spend two hours
around the FE3X alone! (trying to figure out ~how~ to get me ~and~ it around 
the
front desk!)  They'd have to pry me away from the DOHC 455's!!!  Future 
visitors
would have higher admissions to cover the floor repairs after my fingernails 
dug
holes in it while they draggerd me out the door, fragments of a broken magnet
lying scattered everywhere...  Alot an extra couple days, incase they bust you
on the camera idea.  That should give you time to go to a local "Spies 'R' Us"
store and get one of those fancy eyeglass-frame camcorders, to tape via RF in
the car.....

Damn, I wish this rain would go away!  My imagination is getting away from me!
Here's how bad that is:  I'm testing out a Peavey amplifier that supposedly had
problems.  Got it hooked up to the PC's cd player.  And my two 12" subs.  I'll
tell you what, you've ~never~ played Doom until playing it with 800 Watts to 
the
subs!  That cannon will break windows (by the end of the day, at least... I'm
trying!  :)

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:14:35 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels

I would like to do the same it's just you need to watch that the chrome on
the wheels matches the polished stainless on your car (wheel well openings,
bumpers, front-end) it could end up looking silly.
I tried and 18x8 centerline polished aluminum on my 67 (red/black int.) and
it looked hideous, did awesome burnouts and handled well though.
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 3:31 PM
Subject: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels


>American Racing has the fully polished torq thrust rims in 16x8 as
>well as the big 17's (8, 9.5 and 11).  This would allow some serious
>rubber under the ol' '71 cutlass.  I'd love to run some 'vette sized
>rubber to compliment my suspension system, but I'm afraid the 17" rims
>and low profile tires might look silly on the car.
>
>Does anyone have a picture or at least seen an old car with 17's on
>it?  How does it look?  If it's really dumb looking, I'll stay safe
>and get the 16x8 with 255/50/16 tires, which have a decent amount of
>sidewall on them.
>
>-greg
>sick of my compact car size 14x7 wheels and "pizza cutter" tires.
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:30:09 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

The largest (actually, only) rear bar that I've ever heard of on a G-Body is
7/8" (stock).  The brochure for my 1984 Calais said that it comes standard
with a rear bar (where a Supreme does not come standard with a bar), but my
car also has the F41 suspension package, so I don't know what came standard
with a Calais.  I'd guess you either have no rear bar or a 7/8" one.

The aftermarket does sell 1" rear bars, though, and up to 1.5" (!) for the
front...

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Jerry Christopher
<ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.


>Sway bars?  Should all interchange, between 78-87 G bodies.  Just look for
the
>fattest one, I suppose.  Don't know any specs to quote.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:33:57 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Squeak

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 6:09 PM
Subject: Squeak

>'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

Steve Ochs' list of cars seems to change daily... :-)

>Just put a small dab of grease on it to cure.

Please excuse my ignorance here, but what grease is the right kind to use?
Do I just go to Trak Auto and get "black grease"?  Is there primarily one
"kind" of grease?  BTW, I have the same squeak, too.  And in the rain, the
car's quiet like a VAULT.  It's great.  OTOH, you can't drive w/o the 'Tops
in the rain...

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:41:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2

In between hooking up my swaybar and test driving it today (works great,
all I need now is quicker steering) I went to a car show and flea market.
Nothing special at the show and at the flea market for the princely sum
of $0.25 I picked up a March 1968 copy of "Super Stock" magazine. I got
it because there is an article in there on a job Hurst put together
taking a Toro FWD chassis and mating it to a '68 4-4-2. This is a later
model than the Hairy Olds (the front and rear engined one) and according
to the article was quite the effort. They even went so far as to lengthen
the wheelbase slightly and removed the center hump in the floor. What a
strange looking sight to see those Toro wheels on a 4-4-2!

Wonder where this car is today?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:58:50 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '69 Cutlass Question

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Saw a car today at a show that had something I never saw before. It was a
> '69 Cutlass S convertible and had a white (parchment?) interior. It had
> sort of an off-white cast to it so it may have been a little faded,
> dunno.  Anyway, the car had a black dash which all the white ones I've
> seen had, and also black carpet which I also have seen in white
> interiors. What I found interesting was that the door panels, from about
> the armrest level down, were black, with white above. Armrests were also
> black. Could this be the way the factory built them?

My car is an original parchment interior (Frosty) and the door panels havea
white top half and a black bottom half.  The armrests were white, not black,

however I was going to change Frosty over to black armrests.

> The owner told me that he got a set of 14x7 SSI all chrome wheels, plus a
> rally pack, and a set of front disks, all off the same parts car. For
> peanuts. Some guys have all the luck...

Some guys get all the fame,Some guys get all the breaks,
Some guys do nothing but complain, oohooohooh

Quote from Rod Stewart! :-)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:28:07 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 70 98 Power Locks answered+

   peter..sears does not have  power door lock parts....


olds guy

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Long list o' stuff available

Here it is, a giant list of available stuffs made as we unloaded the trailer.
Interested parties may respond via *private* email or call me. If you reply to
the list [or to me] and include the entire contents of this post, you will be
twitted, charged double for everything, and given a sever tongue lashing as
well.

I would not normally include the "other brands'" parts, but it's such a small
portion I figured that it'd be OK this time.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
517-882-9747
- --
This emailer has a habit of changing quote marks or dashes to P or S or stuff
like that, it was perfect when I started... Here goes...

- -----------------------------
1985 Service Manuals, 9 ea., about 18" of manuals total. $100/all.
- -New Product Service Information Manual- 98 Regency
- -New Product Service Information Manual- all series
- -New Product Service Information Manual
- -Electrical Troubleshooting Manual- Cutlass Supreme, D88 Royale,
   Custom Cruiser, Toronado
- -Electrical Troubleshooting Manual- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service Manual, Vol. I- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service Manual, Vol. II- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service ManualP Cutlass Supreme, D88 Royale, Custom Cruiser,
   Toronado
- -Troubleshooting Supplement- all series

1986 Toronado CSM [Chassis Service Manual] ExC, $20
1983 Oldsmobile CSM- Cutlass, D88, Custom Cruiser, 98, Toronado. $50

===================== Used Oldsmobile Parts ======================
  Abbreviations: RLHM= Remote left hand mirror. Cs= Cutlass, etc., VC=
Vista Cruiser.  RH= Right hand side, LH= Left hand side; as if you are
the car.
  NOS= New Old Stock, brand new uninstalled parts, typically in perfect,
ready to bolt on condition, the ideal. NNOS= Near-NOS, not in a box,
used, but otherwise perfect. ExC= Excellent condition, no flaws readily
apparent, use as is or w/ fresh paint. GC= Good Condition, some flaws,
have to look close to notice. FC= fair cond., obvious flaws, needs work
to be presentable. UBU= Used But Usable, appearance may suffer, but will
function as intended.
  All parts are Cutlass/ A-body unless otherwise specified.
============= Year-specific parts =============
64 98 B/U lenses, tiny stress cracks only, $5/pr
65 VC, Cs, etc. healight ass'ys, 2ea. w/ hi-beam T3's, slight rust, $15 ea.
65 Vista hubcaps, 14", very nice, $40/set
66 healight AL bezels, GC, need clean & paint, $40/pr
66 Taillite ass'ys, good lenses, badly pitted chrome, $15 ea.
66 Toro windshield washer fluid bottle, w/ lid, ExC, $10
66-7 Toro hood release "T" handle, long rod w/ some rust, FC, $10
66-7 Toro headlight switch, w/ vacuum fittings, ExC, $40
66-7 Toro air cleaner, dual snorkel, FC, dents, decoration? $5.00
.
67 Cs headlite AL bezels, GC, $15 ea.
67 Cs w/o AC kick panel grille, black, GC, $5
67 fender extension, LH, w/ filler plate & eyebrow chrome, ExC, $40
67 front license plate bracket, slight bend, easy straight, pretty, $15
67 L&R upper taillite ass'ys, badly pitted chrome, nice lenses, $15 ea.
67? Turnpike Cruiser air cleaner, 2V, square & black, small dent, $80
.
68 hood hinges [fits Cs, Vista, 88, 98, Toro], VGC, $40/pr.
68-9 LHM, pretty, with screws, $30
68 Toronado Rear View Mirror w/ map lite, pretty, $20
68 kickdown switch from 98, fit A-bodies too?, used w/ TH400, $20
68 88 Guages [two] & third empty bezel, $5
68 Cs armrests, w/ pads, Green, ExC, no rips, $40/pr
68 Cs steering wheel center cap ["horn button"], green, ExC, $10
68 Cs steering wheel center cap ["horn button"], black, ExC, $10
68 armrests, black, w/ pads, ExC, $40/pr.
68 armrests, black, no pads, some scratches, $1.00/ea.
68 seat bottom trim, plastic, black, w/ PSeat, GC, $20/pr
68 seat bottom trim, plastic, brown, RH half only, GC, $5
.
69 outer headlite plastics, ExC, no flaws, $50/pr.
69 outer headlite plastics, GC, one has slightly wavy top, $30/pr
69 outer headlite plastics, FC, 1/2" damage to corner of LH one, $20/pr.
69 RLHM [from 98, should fit Cs too], GC, w/ gasket & escutcheon, $40
69 98 front park lite lens, RH, FC, $10
69 98 B/U lens, RH & LH, 1/2 red-1/2 clear, tiny sun cracks, $10 ea.
69 98 front side marker lenses/ lites, GC, $10 ea.
69 throttle cable & carb bracket, UBU, $15
69 Cs Grille half, RH, FC, mounting holes are open, grille OK, $20
69 Cs front bumper fill plate, 4x8" steel, $15
69 inner headlight plastic, LH, some heat warpage, $10
69 hood hinges [fits Cs, Vista, maybe 88, 98, Toro], ExC, $50/pr.
69 hood tongue, w/ "S" emblem, ExC, $50
69 hood tongue, no "S" emblem, ExC, $40
69 Toro PW switch ass'y, chrome, goes in armrest, $20/pr
69 Taillite ass'ys, good lenses, badly pitted chrome, $15 ea.
69 Taillite ass'ys, ExC chrome, plastic needs polishing, $100/pr.
69-70 hood grilles, 2 grilles & 2 bezels, VGC, $40/set
69-70 hood grilles, FC, $10/set
.
70 hood grilles [inserts], FC, $10/set
70 headlight AL bezels, FC, some flaws, $20 RH, $10 LH.
70 floor shifter, 3spd, no knob, w/ NS switch, some wire, $40,
   switch $20 alone
.
70-2 LHM, ExC, $30
70-72 Rear side marker lite ass'ys, ExC, have trunk spatter paint, RH $30,
   LH $20 [one broken mount stud]
70 hood grilles, 2 grilles & 2 bezels, VGC, $40/set
70 hood tongue, no Rocket emblem, ExC, $50
70 headrests, from 98, fits Cs, etc., black, 1-flat bar stalk, ExC, $30/pr
.
71 LHM, ExC, $30
71 Cs emblems pack: ExC all- 5" rocket, open background, for hood tongue?.
   Curlicue "CS" pair for external sail panels? Radio knobs, tilt wheel
   lever, and "washer" knob. $20 all.
71-2 glovebox lid, green, ExC, $10
71-2 glovebox lid, black, ExC, $10
71-2 trim around guages, straight woodgrain, GC, $5.00
71? kickdown switch, mounts near pedal, useful w/ TH400, GC, $20.
71-2 hood release "T" handle, NNOS, $20
71-2 hood release "T" handle, GC, $10
71-2 horn relay/ junction block, Delco, NNOS, $25
71-2 ashtray, NNOS, still has the "green sheen", $20
71-2 LH park light ass'y: lens, lite, wires. VGC, some rust, $20
71-2 2-dr door edge guards, SSteel, slight bends from extraction, $20/pr
71-2 healight AL bezels, FC, some flaws, $5 ea.
71-2 healight AL bezels, NNOS, $20 ea.
71-2 healight ass'ys, incl. all 4-T3's, perfect metal, $80/set, $40 w/o lamps
71-2 hood grilles [inserts], GC, slight pitting under green paint, $30/pr.
71-2 RLHM, Yellow, no escutcheon, no base, swivels OK, $20.
71-2? RH mirror kit: 1 w/ bad glass, other w/ bad housing, $10/set.
.
72 Taillite lenses, $5 per plastic piece.
72 Taillite assUys, with plastic lenses, wires, boltPin ass'y, GC, $30 ea.
72 LHM, ExC, $30
72 headlight plastic, LH, w/ an AL bezel, ExC, needs paint, $30
.
75 RLHM & matching RHM, white, FC, needs adj. knob, w/ parts mirror, $20/set
75 LH mirror, red, $15
.
76-7 rear side marker lite & 3 bezels, ExC, $10/set
77 Rally Pack guages, 3 pods, 85 mph, $50/set, $40 guages pod only.
78 dash cluster w/ gages, 85 mph speedo, $50
.
.
=========== Misc./Multiple Years ================
o-1964?-66-7 Bucket seats, Red, VG upholstery, not sure if they are
   for Big Cars or A-body, $100/pr
o-Console & 3-spd AT Shifter, red, GC, needs cleaning. $60 with red seats,
   $80 alone.
o-68-72 window crank handles, clear knobs, tight, NNOS, $50/set of 6.
o-64-67 headlight lamps, clear T3 field, $10 Hi, $15 Lo beam.
o-68-up headlight lamps, striped T3 field, $5 Hi, no Lo beams.
o-Olds Accel Dual-point dist'r, model 30102, no vacuum advance, GC, $80
o-Olds big block valley splash guard, bolts to block, covers cam drain
   holes. Fits most small blocks too. $2.00
o-Carb spacer, 1" thick AL, square bore, $10
o-Carb spacer/ adapter, spread bore to square bore, 3/4" high AL, $10
o-Radiator, was in '76 Delta, fits numerous older GM's, 19x29" 3-row
   core, exc. cond., has extra nipple for heater hose if needed, even
   looks good, $50.
o-1979 "OF" TH400 trans, converted to short shaft, has speedo drive hole,
   FRESHLY REBUILT 6/98, ready to back up your big block or 403. $250
o-Olds factory chrome rocker arm covers, fully baffled, slight rust, some
   dings, $30/pr.
o-67-69 C heads, freshly done, new guides, big valves, blocked heat
   crossover, surfaced 0.040", w/ springs $600 or less delivered UPS
   ground continental US.
o-64-67 flexplate for 330, 400, 425's, GC, $60.
o-455 rods, ordinary used cores, GC, $70/set
o-455 rods, w/ oil reliefs, you redo the rest- may need resize, GC, $100/set
o-455 rods, w/ oil reliefs & polished beams, you redo the rest, may need
   resize, GC, $200/set.
o-Nodular iron 455 crank, AT only drilling, std-std, $100.
o-forged crank, 425, std-std, $100
o-forged crank, 330, cond. unknown, $100 if std-std & nice.
o-Heads, A,B,C,E,G,Ga,J,#1,2,3,4,5,6,7,7a,8,10,5A,6A.
o-Distributors, #111-1029, -1048, -1151, -1289, -1930, -1934, P1961,
   -1976, -1978, -1980, -1984, -2033, -2079, -2106, -2195, -2197, -2198,
   -2225, -2915.


"Other brands of cars" parts:
62 Buick 215 Aluminum V8 head, one only, GC, $100
69 Pontiac Grand Prix >-140 mph-< speedometer & dash pods, VGC, $40/all
59 Mercury taillights, ExC, 6" red lens & 10" Alum. dish, $50/pr.
53 Mercury? Ford? taillight lenses, GC, 5" red lens, $20/pr.
64 Buick 225 *manual* vacuum trunk release kit: actuator, and hand-pull
   pump which creates the vacuum. $40
64 Buick 225 LHM, w/ gasket, perfect. Buick emblem courtesy lite lens
   w/ it, for $40.
70? Pontiac GTO distributor, NOS, #1112813-3B22, w/ 210-16 vacuum
   advance unit, $100.
Intake, SBChevy, Offenhauser "360 degree", needs a cleaning, $50
76 Pontiac water pump, w/350 motor, used 1 month, $free
76 Pontiac flexplate [flywheel for AT cars] fits 350, 400, 455. $20
78? Camaro steering wheel, black vinyl all over, 4 spokes, w/ horn
   button, $20
Year?? Application?? Speedometers, NOS, 100 mph range, "1580939W AUG23,
   1955" ink-stamped on one, "1581489W Jun 17, 1952" on the other. $50 ea.
Clock, "Pontiac", c. 1950's styling, about 2" dia. x 3" long, 1/4"
   visor extends over face, unknown if works, $10
- ------------------- the end ----------------
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:43:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 66 Toro F/Sale

Friend of the brother's brought down a nice '66 Toronado Deluxe, we are trying
to find a home for it. I give it the Big Thumbs Up after a cursory inspection.
Here's what I found so far. Car is in Lansing, MI at this time. I think it's
dirt cheap for the condition. He drove it from the U.P., so it must be OK to
drive.
    Can anyone fwd this to the Toro list, perchance?
- --------------------------------------------
For sale $1400/BO

1966 Toronado Deluxe, VIN 39687M534684, "02,549" miles. Built 5th week of
March, 1966 [March 27th-31st]

Original? "Royal Mist" Blue exterior, blue interior. Correct high compression
425 motor, big valve B heads. Rated at 385HP @ 4800 RPM, 475 lb-ft of torque @
3200 RPM. 4.125" bore x 3.975 stroke, 10.50:1 compression. Set dwell to 30
degrees, timing at 7.5 degrees BTDC. Premium fuel only.

Correct "OJ" code switch pitch trans, 3.21:1 final drive ratio.
Incorrect carburetor #17056264, poorly fitted with manual choke.
Flex fan with direct drive adapter [no fan clutch].

Body tag:
  -----------------------------
 |03E                          |
 |66 39687  EUC   28420 BODY   |
 |053D             EE   PAINT  |
 |EXYS   2KR   3P              |
 |4F 5Y                        |
  -----------------------------

- --- Options & accessories:
PS/ PB [drums], of course. Power Windows, Power Seat, Power Antenna [bent
    mast].
Tilt & Telescope steering column.
Standard [C60] Air conditioning.
Remote trunk release
T-87 cornering lights
Remote LH Mirror
[non-working] clock
original radio replaced with Pioneer noisemaker.

- --- Condition:
Minimal rust. Frame looks very solid, very few very small holes in the body.
Needs LF wheel well trim. Runs & drives very well. Great tires. Very cracked
windshield. New exhaust system, new muffler in trunk. Some evidence of minor
oil leakage from motor. A few interior rips in the seat, LH armrest. Dash pad
is not uncracked. Nice original air cleaner, missing the applique & small
chrome ornament for the center. Regular wheels, one hub cap [10" variety] is
missing. Headlights wired "up", presumably needs the vacuum headlight mechanism
fixed. Oil pressure sensor appears to be an ordinary idiot lite unit, though
car has gages, PCV valve is broken off in the grommet, fan is operated by
toggle switch taped to brake release handle- evidence of clueless repair work.
Rear view mirror is losing its slivering. 2-3 dings in the rear bumper. Front
bumper needs a rechrome- peeling. No vinyl top, a plus in my book; you can add
one if you wish.

Needs a windshield, lots of TLC, a couple dozen little things rectified. The
motor should be taken out & treated to a timing chain & new gaskets.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:45:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: another switch pitch tork converter source!

Studying up on the 66 Toro for sale, I noticed a switch in the throttle
linkage. Sure enough, the manual says they have the Switch Pitch trans. So,
spot a '66-67 Toro in the yard, motor gone? Inspec that TC, grab it if there's
virtually no gap between the large & small splines down in there. Mark it
accordingly?

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:56:09 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rain/tops off, was: Squeak

OTOH, you can't drive w/o the 'Tops
> in the rain...

Well, it's not recommended, but I did it.  Couple years back when the 83 got
vandalized, about 5 AM, get to the car in the rain.  Ten miles from town (out 
at
the lake) All windows smashed out...  Except T-tops.  Very sickening sight.  I
still cringe at the memories.  By the time I got it to the highway, I was
coverred in glass, and decided screw it.  Off came the tops.  If I'm going to 
be
cold and wet, I'm going to do it in style!!!  (Cut down on the wind somewhat,
too.  Somehow!)  Prabably about 50' out, plus rain.  I was kinda c-c-c-c-old by
the time I got to town.  But pi**ed enough to not really noticce...  So you
~can~ drive w/o tops in the rain, it's just kinda dumb!  :)

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:00:47 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!

> Sure enough, the manual says they have the Switch Pitch trans.

I thought it was only the 67's that used the switch pitch???  Is it concievable
to adapt the Toro's TH400 S/P convertor into a RWD formatted TH400???  Has
anyone mapped this out at all?  Haven't been following this thread very 
closely,
incase it'd been addressed before...

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:10:36 -0500
From: "James Moore" <panman638@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Production numbers

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:29:29 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Rain/tops off, was: Squeak

Charley Buehner wrote:

> the time I got to town.  But pi**ed enough to not really noticce...  So you
> ~can~ drive w/o tops in the rain, it's just kinda dumb!  :)

Charley,

If you run about 60-65 mph you can ride in the rain and not get TOO wet,
even in a ragtop like I did many years ago in AL.  It was tough trying
to stop under the overpass on I-65 quick enough to keep from getting
soaked.  65-0 needs a little more room than 50-75 feet.  :)  We didn't
get very wet until we tried to stop to put the top up.  Ah, life when
you're in your twenties......

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:28:51 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: question about vendor for list

has anyone on the list had any experiences with auto decals unlimited?
good/bad?    steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:30:09 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!

In a message dated 98-06-21 22:04:07 EDT, you write:

<< Sure enough, the manual says they have the Switch Pitch trans.>>

<< I thought it was only the 67's that used the switch pitch???  >>


To be honest, I never really saw anything to suggest that the 1966 Toro TH425
might not have the variable vane torque converter.

...consulting....

Sure enough. The "Systematic Trouble Shooting 375, 400, 425, 475 Hydramatic"
(which covers all makes) covers variable vane models for 1964-1973. For
certain ilustrations of the TH425, it cautions that "Stator passages void in
all years after 1967." No mention of before.

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:32:55 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Site Update

Much thanks to Trevor Lee for adding a few more pics to his site of my project
car.  They are pretty much before and after shots of the dash and motor.  Feel
free to check'em out..........lemme know what you think...............


Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln, Ne

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

89 Beretta
81 Kawasaki LTD

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:50:17 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: How do you get even with your car?

Some of you may recall that I recently bench-tested my horns.
They had not made any noise in about a month or so.
Clicking of the horn relay was, then not audible.

Horns did work....ow.
Cleaned up contacts at relay.
Relay clicking audible again.
Still no toot.

Figured that it hadda be a gound problem.
So today I managed not to burn myself while fabricating a ground strap with 10
guage stranded wire.
Then I took the new "strap" and my tester out to the car.
Before doing anything, I set up the tester.
Got 10+ volts between horn mount bracket's sheet metal screw and batt (+)
So I tried the horn.
It worked.

Confoun.....stupid.....ofalla.....

Soylant did that to me back in the first work week in January.
Monday morning.
Idiot lights come on, no start, solenoid does not even click.
Again, again, again.
Charge battery, same thing.
So I take the bus to work.
Of course it is snowing all week.
Not good idea to jack up car in snow.
Friday, right after work. Come home prepared for the job.
Still snowing, but I am gonna do it.
I am gonna drop the starter.
But she starts right away.
DOH!!!!

Continued to start fine.
Until I decided to take her to my mechanic to swap M/C's.
Same deal. Idiot lights on, no start, no solenoid pop.
Have her towed in.
Mechs tell me days later that she started right up.

So, aside from leaving the SAE 30 in the pan a week longer than I
intended,.....

How can I get even with Soylent Ocean Mist?


Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:05:57 EDT
From: <Surmise@aol.com>
Subject: 1972 Cutlass Wagon For Sale

Found the following ad in this Sun Tulsa World:
RARE '72 Cutlass Wagon, runs good, must sell, $995,  918.592.5683.
If anyone is interested call them and if the car is not too far out of town I
can check it out.

John
Surmise@aol.com
Tulsa, OK
67 442

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:19:32 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: How do you get even with your car?

> So, aside from leaving the SAE 30 in the pan a week longer than I
> intended,.....
> How can I get even with Soylent Ocean Mist?

Well...  You ~could~ put a 454 in it...  Naw, I don't think it was ~that~ cruel
to you.  I'm contemplating revenge plots myself, see.  The Rockit has this 
habit
of not wanting to crank when ~I~ want it to.  Happened the other week when I 
was
taking the test cruise.  Happened once before at the farm, the night I drove up
to rescue it (~just~ before the big snowstorm, and when I found all the mice)
Been doing fine, but at the last minute, just ready to leave, no crank.  Idiot
lights come on, telling me the ign switch works, but no crank.  Been smacking
the solenoid and wiggling wires down there, and seemed to help.  I know the
wires are in tough shape.  Fix that soon.  But the kicker is, today, when it
tried doing the same thing, I hit the remote for my remote starter, and it 
tries
to crank.  Slowly, but tries.  Strange.  ~Very~ strange.  Put the charger on it
for a while, and it started just fine.  Go figure.  I'll get even with 'er,
though.  ~I'LL~ get my last word in, ~I'LL~ have my day, I tell you.  I'll get
the last laugh, just after I dump the 455 in it...  (Either that, or it'll just
go knock knock knock knock knock knock....)  Then I'd have to come up with a
~new~ revenge scheme!
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:20:09 -0600
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!

Not sure if just the convertor will swap but I know the whole tranny will if
you move the cross-member back.  That's what I have in my 65' 442.
Travis Adams
65 442 Sports Coupe
- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!


>> Sure enough, the manual says they have the Switch Pitch trans.
>
>I thought it was only the 67's that used the switch pitch???  Is it
concievable
>to adapt the Toro's TH400 S/P convertor into a RWD formatted TH400???  Has
>anyone mapped this out at all?  Haven't been following this thread very
closely,
>incase it'd been addressed before...
>
>--
>The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
>OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:21:07 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: 70 98 Power Locks

If they're vacuum, look in any C*ddy, Bu*ck big car.
If they switched to solenoids that year, I'd try the
same route, but this is beyond my range of personal
knowledge and experience. Worth a try though...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Berusch [mailto:pber710840@email.msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 12:59 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 70 98 Power Locks



   Does anyone have or know where I can get power lock actuators and/or
the
correct, original power lock switches for a '70 Ninety Eight four door?

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:27:09 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!

> Not sure if just the convertor will swap but I know the whole tranny will if
> you move the cross-member back.  That's what I have in my 65' 442.

Ummmmmmmm.....  I was actually questioning about the Toro's S/P tranny...  I'd
think you'd need to change a little more than the crossmember ;)

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:28:26 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 70 98 Power Locks

Next time I get to the local yard, I'll look there.  I know there's two 70 98's
there.  I need to get back out there sometime soon, so I'll look in 'em.

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:44:22 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

>> I don't doubt they'll fit, I think that someone else in here, either
>> currently, or past tense has(d) GP door panelling in a Cutlass,
>
>That would be me.  Lots of experience on ~that~ front!
>
>The handles and all line up fine.  I like the window/lock switch locations 
much
>better, too.

Hmmm...interesting.  I'm soon to be in the market for new door panels for my
Calais.  If the G-body panels more or less interchange between makes, this
could be tempting.  Might find someting I like better in a Gran Prix or Regal.

>The vinyl armrest pad (with the ~almost~ vertical handle has "Gran
>Prix" embossed in it.  No getting  it out.

I guess I could try recovering the armest pad if I was feeling really
Anti-GP. :)

>I also have the GP console in the Rockit.  I love it.  I think it's the
cleanest
>of all the G-body's consoles.

Just saw a peek of it on your webpage.  Nice and wide, I like it.  I might
look into putting one in mine.  My long skinny right arm doesn't fit very
well on that short skinny armrest. :)  I was considering a C*maro (gasp!)
console.  They're wide and look good, but they aren't as classy looking as a
GP or olds.

>It doesn't perfectly line up where it meets the
>dash, though.  It is meant to ~almost~ contact the dash below the radio,
and the
>GP's dash is angled in a bit.  Again, ya gotta be rather scrutinizing to see
>that.

Yeah, but an olds console doesn't exaclty have a finished look either.  They
almost seem like an afterthought IMHO. It looks good, but I'm not very fond
of the way it runs under the dash and just ends.  And there's a nifty little
tray there, but you gotta cram your hand under the dash to get at anything
that may have slid forward.

The webpage says the rest of the interior is GP.  My Calais interior has
turned to dust.  How easy does the matching GP interior go in?   Since I'm
in the market and all........

>The Olds seats are tight against that console, it is quite a bit wider than
the Olds
>one.  Very livable.  I guess the GP seats are skinnier.  I've got a GP back
seat
>and it looks at home there.  If that donor car would still have had buckets in
>it, I'd have them, too (@%$##&%^!!!)

G-Body GP buckets do look nice.  They don't offer much more in the way of
support though.  Speaking of buckets, I picked up some *sweet* seats for my
Calais awhile back.  They came from a `95 pontiac, what I believe was a Gran
Prix.  They're unbelieveably comfortable and have great lateral support.
Not to mention they look great.  Grabbed the back seat to match.  Have yet
to see what will be involved in bolting them in.  I don't anticipate much
trouble though, they mount to a flat floor so making brackets to adapt to
the calais won't be too big a headache.  I'll just rig the rear seat in with
some hidden bailing wire and sheetmetal screws if neccesary, that's about
all they're held in with originally.

>Sway bars?  Should all interchange, between 78-87 G bodies.  Just look for the
>fattest one, I suppose.  Don't know any specs to quote.

I think the Turbo Regal page sez a camaro front sway bar of the same era
will bolt up.

>Hmm.  Outa questions, looks like.  Suprised ya didn't consider the HUD.

I really like the HUD, but it's probably more than I need to get into at the
moment....Maybe next summer.

BTW, does it read out in triple digits?  Might be a cool way to get around
that 85 mph speedo. :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:45:14 EDT
From: <Scuubybrew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Cutlass Question

My understanding is the arm rests should be white , but everything else is
corect.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:50:06 EDT
From: <Scuubybrew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2

Quicker steering  ......   early to mid 80's camaro / firebird (preferably T/A
/ Z28 ) stering box. As I recall 1.8 turns lock to lock.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:48:46 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Parts Leads  (G body 442)

Doug Newman wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>            I received this inquiry from my Owner's Registry entry at
> Bryceman's site.  If you can offer any assistance, please reply directly
> to Lee Bognar at bognar@earthlink.net.  He's not on the list.
> Thanks,
> Doug N.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Lee Bognar [SMTP:bognar@earthlink.net]
> <mailto:[SMTP:bognar@earthlink.net]>
> Sent:   Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:18 PM
> To:     newmand@wcbi.com <mailto:newmand@wcbi.com>
> Subject:        Parts Leads
>
> I need help getting my brother's 86 442 in shape (He also has a Black on
> Grey 87 442 that isn't quite as nice as yours).  His wedding next month
> means the 86 has to go, so I offered to help him get her in shape and to
> find a good home with an Olds Enthusiast  (I have my financial hands
> full with my 70 Pace Car restoration.)  I know he needs the 442 emblems
> on the interior door panels and the leather wrap steering wheel.  He may
> also need a new set of 442 rims (Ithink they were stolen?)   I'd
> appreciate any leads...
>                                 Many Thanks,
>
>                                 Lee Bognar
Lee,
  I was able to get the interior emblems from:
Ed Fochi
222 Grove St.
Lodi, NJ 07644

201-473-1137

parts4442s@aol.com

Its been a few years though....try the phone as I don't think he reads
e-mail religiously...

Hope this helps...
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:00:39 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

> Yeah, but an olds console doesn't exaclty have a finished look either.  They
> almost seem like an afterthought IMHO. It looks good, but I'm not very fond
> of the way it runs under the dash and just ends.

The Buick's console was a happy medium between the two, as I recall.  Wider and
taller than the Olds, but shorter than the GP.  I'll see if I have a pic of 
that
anywhere.

>
> The webpage says the rest of the interior is GP.  My Calais interior has
> turned to dust.  How easy does the matching GP interior go in?   Since I'm
> in the market and all........

Most of the GP stuff is the same as the Olds, as far as installing.  The upper
1/4 trims are different, to accomodate the different shaped glass.  I retained
original Olds trim there, but painted to match the GP's.  Can't even tell.
Works perfect.  The dash parts are different (would interchange as a whole 
unit,
if you'd want such an ugly critter... Don't like GP's dashes at all.  Except 
for
the center channel speaker.  The thought of removing the entire dash to change
the dash speakers has ~no~ appeal whatsoever to me!  Carpet, headliner, visors,
almost all trim, etc will go right in.  Only says GP on the door panel's
armrest, too.

>  They came from a `95 pontiac, what I believe was a Gran
> Prix.

That's about what my HUD came from.  As for the back seat, it's probably not as
wide.  Which means you'd have to fabricate and upholster some trim inserts
between it and the 1/4 panels.  I've often wanted to do similar, with a folding
rear seat (like many of the newer smaller cars use)  That way with the flick of
a lever, my 15"s can be seen.

> I think the Turbo Regal page sez a camaro front sway bar of the same era
> will bolt up.

My '82 Firebird had a rear sway bar that linked onto the axle tube, and then
linked to the framerails in back.  Wanted to grab that before I had it hauled
off.  Would probably have worked with my new suspension (when I ever get it in.
Solid control arms, no provisions for sway bars on it.  Of course it's not
supposed to have any need for one, but it'd be nice anyway...

> I really like the HUD,
> BTW, does it read out in triple digits?

You bet!  Heh heh...  Except with the ECM gone, I had to do some creative
electronics engineering with it.  Ended up pulling a speed sensor our of a
Canadian GP (No ECM apparantly, which normally is needed to ~power~ the speed
sensor)  Only problem was that it read in KMH.  Fairly accurately, in that 55
KMH was actually 55MPH.  Not bad.  It's lost alot of accuracy since then,
though.  Must be the bigger tires.  I've had it reading 115 on the glass,
though.  It's theoretically capable of 199.  ~I~ won't see that on the road, 
but
it's there.  The high beam and turn signal indicators are really handy, too.

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:02:14 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: TH425 for RWD??

In a message dated 98-06-21 23:24:37 EDT, you write:

<<  Not sure if just the convertor will swap but I know the whole tranny will
if
 you move the cross-member back.  That's what I have in my 65' 442.
 Travis Adams
 65 442 Sports Coupe >>


Uhhh....Travis?

You have a Toronado's TH425 transmission in your 4 4 2? Did you mean a
"switch-pitch" TH400?

I was just about to post that the TH425 could not be used because it runs
backwards.
That is, in Toro's, it is mounted in the engine bay the opposite of the way it
goes in RWD cars.
And essentially is driven by a chain from the "flywheel".

Meaning the 425's "intermediate sprag clutch" rotates in the opposite
direction from that of the TH400. (or whatever the part is called)

So to answer Chuck's question. Yes you could probably make the switch from FWD
to RWD. But you would have one forward gear and three (minimum, do not know
1966, 67) reverse gears.

Would be pretty hysterical though.....

KA
&SOM

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:09:06 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: another switch pitch tork converter source!

>> Sure enough, the manual says they have the Switch Pitch trans.
>
>I thought it was only the 67's that used the switch pitch???  Is it
concievable
>to adapt the Toro's TH400 S/P convertor into a RWD formatted TH400???  Has
>anyone mapped this out at all?  Haven't been following this thread very
closely,
>incase it'd been addressed before...


As I remember, the switch-pitch trans was used in all (?) 65-67 Olds, Buick,
Cadillac.


Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
66 Toronado
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:21:05 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels

In a message dated 98-06-21 16:36:24 EDT, you write:

<< American Racing has the fully polished torq thrust rims in 16x8 as
 well as the big 17's (8, 9.5 and 11).  This would allow some serious
 rubber under the ol' '71 cutlass.  I'd love to run some 'vette sized
 rubber to compliment my suspension system, but I'm afraid the 17" rims
 and low profile tires might look silly on the car.

 Does anyone have a picture or at least seen an old car with 17's on
 it?  How does it look?  If it's really dumb looking, I'll stay safe
 and get the 16x8 with 255/50/16 tires, which have a decent amount of
 sidewall on them. >>
Im looking into the same thing on my 72. I currently have 275/60/15 no
rubbing. I measured about another 2 inches to the frame. I would go for the
17's. You just have to keep the diameter around 26'' to look good. Is your car
lowered?Thats really the key. I figure a 315/35/17 =25.6'' diameter and 12''
thread section. The trick is offset of the new rims. Maybe about 5 1/4 offset.
I have vette 16's on my 74 255/60/16. I could of went bigger. Both of my cars
are lowered so it looks good. Let me know how you make out.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:35:00 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent

OKAY, but since tha cam and chain are already in, I think that if I just
turn the crank 180deg., the marks will come to face each other (crank
up/cam down).  Can't I just do that and then install the distributor that
way. If I pop the chain and gears off, and then put them back on 'properly'
they will sit the same way as they do now with the crank turned 180.  So
can I just turn the crank 180 deg. till the marks face each other, then
install distributor with the rotor on #1 post of the cap.  Thanks.

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 10:18 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-06-21 05:30:57 EDT, you write:
>
> <<  I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a few
weeks)
> the crank's timing mark should be straight up. and the cam's straight
~down~.
> Sounds like your cam is in 180' off.  >>
>
> Yup.
> Timing marks should be pointing towards each other exactly!
> Crank up, cam down.
>
> Providing, of course, that your marks are obvious.
> My cam gear had a few similar marks.....
>
> KA
> &SOM

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 01:54:54 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent

> OKAY, but since tha cam and chain are already in, I think that if I just
> turn the crank 180deg.,

... your crank's timing mark will be straight up, and your cam's mark, umm,
should be...  Straight down...  Is that right???  Sounds right, but it's almost
2AM, too.  With the crank mark up, and the cam mark down, it's easier to make
sure it's lined up, by referencing with the centerline of the pulleys.  Here's
the deal.  Try it, if the marks ~are~ still lined up ~perfectly~ then you 
should
be OK.  If you used #1's ~compression~ to determine its TDC before putting the
distributor in, that's probably still fine, too.  However, if you guessed TDC
with the cam mark ~up~, rather than checking compression, you'll be in trouble
(in that you'd have to re-do the distributor.)

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:53:52 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst FWD '68 4-4-2

The car was called the "Fouranado".  How original.  No idea where the
car is today, however.  George Hurst had a thing for Toros.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:39:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: suspension recomendations

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:02:51 EDT
From: Camxos@aol.com
Subject: suspension recomendations

I'm thinking of buying a polygraphite frontend kit from PST, can anyone give
me an idea of what to expect from these (i.e. harsh ride ect) I'm also
thinking of getting
the ISA shocks from Edelbrock. anyone have any expirience using these shocks
they'r not cheap and I was wondering if they'r worth the money.


                                                                  T.I.A.


                                                               Ron aka
camxos@aol.com
                                                                83 H/O


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:02:53 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Parts

Does anyone have any of the following parts for sale:

a) 1968 442/Cutlass light housing rubber weatherstripping?  It seemingly

   attaches in between the metal light housing support and the gray
plastic
   housing while surrounding the metal part on top so that the hood is
   protected from the screws holding the plastic part in place.  It runs
the
   span of the eyebrow.

b) 1968 Cutlass Supreme/Delmont cigarette lighter knob.  This knob looks
like
   the platic bowtie (sorry folks for that description) found on the
442s,
   however, it is metal instead.

TIA,

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: ralley horn button

I'm in need of a black ralley wheel horn button.
If you have one and would like to sell it let me know

Thanks
Doug Harkema
70 CS Conv't
Holt MI
harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:19:16 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Air Cleaner

What's the best after market Air Cleaner and when you race your Oldsmobiles
do you take the air cleaner off or do you keep it on.  The one I have (The
Edelbrok:EDL-1002 from summit) seems to be holding me back.  My car runs a
whole lot faster without it.  I don't like running without it though. Please
Help





===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:33:56 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: VIN decoding

Recently, someone posted the URL for a VIN decoding engine. I'm in need of
that address right now. I'm about to help a friend work on his Ciera wagon
and need to know some of the VIN info. Just in case anyone can help me with
it, here it is:  1G3AJ35E5ED352370. Can anyone tell me what engine the car
has and its year? That is the only info missing on the Chilton's. I know 1G3
is Olds, A is Ciera, J is Ciera LS (?), from there on I know nothing except
the last six numbers.

TIA,

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:57:52 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: New Olds Mailing List Archive Available

The archive of the Oldsmobile Mailing List covering 04/12/98 thru 06/08/98
is now available on my web site, http://www.calcon.net/~easton

- -Jeff

Jeff Easton
Grayslake, ILL
1970 442  4-Speed

see the archives at www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:08:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: opinions pls re  valley pan

Is anybody operating without a valley pan gasket?

If yes, can you tell any problems?

How importanat do you think it is to use the turkey tray/bathtub/valley pan?

TIA,

roger hitson

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