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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, July 10 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1359



Re: Rocket Motor
Re: Tranny Crosmember, UUGH,help
'67 CS CONVERT
Re: Oldsmobile 1942 B44
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
RE: REVENGE IS SWEET
Re: Olds 350 diesels...
Re: Olds 350 diesels...
RE: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1
RE: Ring and Pinion
Divorcing General Motors
Re: Ring and Pinion
Re: Underpowered Cars
NW 4-4-2 Picnic
Re: '80s sport steering wheel
Unions & GM
Re: ADMIN: Revenge etc.
Re: Rocket Motor
Slow vehicles
Re: '80s sport steering wheel
Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page
Re: Caddy Gears (Was: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car)
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: '67 Parts for Sale
Re: Chrome plating
Blower on an Olds engine
Re: Removing cutlass emblems
All the "me too" postings...
Re: Most Underpowered  Car
Re: All the "me too" postings...
Re: Olds block casting number
GET TRAFFIC!!
Re: Olds block casting number
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Rocket Motor
Re: All the "me too" postings...
Re: Divorcing General Motors
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Olds block casting number
Re: All the "me too" postings...
Firefrost response from advisor
RE: Firefrost response from advisor
Intake Gasket Q (fwd)
emblem removal
Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic
pics on the net... (non-olds)
Re: Slow vehicles
Re: emblem removal
[none]
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: All the
Unicase 350's

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:58:06 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

stat bypass they all have it  ...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor


>Not sure about all Rockets, but my 71 has another tube coming out of the
>waterneck going to the water pump.
>
>Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who knows a guy who says that he has a 1974 rocket motor.
>> How can we be sure that it is a rocket motor.  The motor is colored gold
>> which really dosn't mean any, right?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> ===========================
>> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>> 1971 Cutlass S 455
>> Westside! Chitown IL
>> ===========================
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:00:41 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Crosmember, UUGH,help

take the original assuming that you had a th350 originally cut the tab off
the back and reweld it to the front and bolt it up used to do it to cammaros
all the time easy stuff...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:47 AM
Subject: Tranny Crosmember, UUGH,help


>Man.  I put the 455/TH400 combo into my '81 Delta.  Like I mentioned
>befoure, 10.1CR, .030over, 272/280 AD, .448/.472 lift, 3.23posi, blah,
>blah.  The trans is TH400 long tail from the '76 Delta.  I can't seem to
>find a crosmember that works.  What about Regancy/Delta crossmembers with
>200R4OD trans.  Looking at my Regancy (with OD) it looks like it will fit.
>I got one crossmember from a '78 Regancy with short tail TH400, bolted it
>up to the existing frame holes on my Delta but it is about 1.5" behind the
>tranny mount.  Should I look for a new one or modify that one.  Can't move
>it forward any more but can extend the plate that the mount sits on.  The
>only other concern it the tail of the trans sitting about 1" above the
>crossmemeber.  Looks like not enought clerance.  Is 1" good enought.  Plese
>tell me what to do, I am going nuts.  Can't get the trans to sit right,
>don't have the driveshaft yet, headers don't fit, ....  I just wan't it to
>be over.  Thanks.
>
>Igor Todorovic, UofC
>1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
>1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
>1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
>1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:10:12 -0400
From: Great Escape Mktg <gemi@gte.net>
Subject: '67 CS CONVERT

Am restoring my '67 CS convertible and desperatly need trim moulding for
top well (that the boot attaches to). Will pay primo price for primo
condition, fair price for fair condition, etc.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:11:26 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 1942 B44

In a message dated 98-07-10 08:39:04 EDT, you write:

<< Mr. Beaulieu, I am sending the pictuare of my OLDSMOBILE 1942 B44 I would
 like to know owners of the same model of OLDSMOBILE  >>

Must be rare. I thought they just about stopped production because of the war.
Maybe it was a leftover '41.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:09:53 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

Hi all,

I have just updated my web site and want some feedback.  I know parts of it are
pretty
bland, however, any constructive :-) criticism will be ACCEPTED(please, to me
directly).  Any
destructive criticism will be EXCEPTED.  (Like that choice of wording....
I must be bored at
work) :-)

Anyhow, there are pics of Scarlet.  Take a look at some of the interior shots.
The seats are,
original from what the previous owner said, a leather/cloth combo.

Later......

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:30:15 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: REVENGE IS SWEET

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:16:38 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 diesels...

Re: 	Diesel oil cooler;

	This car will have the large oil cooler in the radiator.  You most 
certainly
can use it with your gas engine.  I would strongly advise you drop the big
buck and install an oil cooler thermostat in the line.  The gas engines do not
create the high oil temps that the diesel does.  You could cause big time
condensation problems in your oil by not getting the temp up high enough, soon
enough to dry out any condensation.

	I would be interested in the diesel as well, depending on where you 
are at.
Please let me know.  Likewise, if you have any other diesel questions, I can
probably help you out.  I am one of the few who was/is a big smoker fan.  I
still have 2 of them.

															
Marty

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:36:26 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 diesels...

I have a 350 DX to be used as a gas conversion..
Block,crank are untouched.
Brett
Austin Texas

- -----Original Message-----
From: MMuss@aol.com <MMuss@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Olds 350 diesels...


>Re: Diesel oil cooler;
>
> This car will have the large oil cooler in the radiator.  You most
certainly
>can use it with your gas engine.  I would strongly advise you drop the big
>buck and install an oil cooler thermostat in the line.  The gas engines do
not
>create the high oil temps that the diesel does.  You could cause big time
>condensation problems in your oil by not getting the temp up high enough,
soon
>enough to dry out any condensation.
>
> I would be interested in the diesel as well, depending on where you are
at.
>Please let me know.  Likewise, if you have any other diesel questions, I
can
>probably help you out.  I am one of the few who was/is a big smoker fan.  I
>still have 2 of them.
>
> Marty

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:13 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1

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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I thought the nitewatch option was only available
for the Tornado's. Could be wrong.</FONT> </P> <UL> <P><FONT SIZE=1
FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=1
FACE="Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Cote,
Jeffrey </FONT> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B>
<FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Friday, July 10, 1998 11:28 AM</FONT> <BR><B><FONT
SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1
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option </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">available to be ordered on the car
at the dealership with</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">a rallye guage
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:16:55 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Ring and Pinion

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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">John,</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">you
might not be able to setup the pinion gears properly. It might&nbsp; howl
something terrible....I'd suggest against doing that. Usually, if not always,
the ring and pinion are matched sets. They were machined that way. </FONT></P>
<UL> <P><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT> 
<BR><B><FONT
SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1
FACE="Arial">Johnson, Sam [SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]</FONT> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=1
FACE="Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Friday, 
July
10, 1998 7:35 AM</FONT> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=1
FACE="Arial">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1
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<FONT
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">A friend of mind told me that you can take a 
pinion
from a 4.10 and put it</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">on the ring from a
3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from the</FONT> <BR><FONT 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:48:18 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Divorcing General Motors

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu> wrote:

> I'm not a legal expert or anything, so I don't know how all those details
> would play out if Olds actually thought about going ahead with the
> separation.  Thoughts?

**********************
I'm sure that GM's management would much rather kill off a division over
letting it go independent, so I'd rate the chances for Oldsmobile ever
doing just that about equal with the Corvair going back into production.
On top of that, Oldsmobile would need to have a whole army of John Rock
clones to fight the battles and pull it off.  I don't believe that a
management team that could be called solely Oldsmobile's even exists any
more, let alone worrying about if they have any interest in really doing
the right things for survival.  Therefore, I'm afraid that the idea of
Oldsmobile divorcing itself from GM is nothing more than a dream which has
no chance for coming true.  I think we should just resign ourselves to the
fact that Oldsmobile as we knew and loved it, no longer exists.  If it
comes to be that it no longer exists in any form at all, I'm wondering if
our mourning would really even be appropriate at this point.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:47:26 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

In a message dated 98-07-10 07:37:04 EDT, you write:

<< A friend of mind told me that you can take a pinion from a 4.10 and put it
 on the ring from a 3.42 and make it a 4.10 with out using the ring from the
 other 4.10 unit. Is this true?
  >>
   No, it's not. Tried that on my 2.29 to 2.56 swap. Same pinion count,
doesn't fit. I believe it would not fit because the more ring gear teeth you
have, the greater the angle has to be on the pinion gear teeth, regardless of
the tooth count on the pinion.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:07:44 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Underpowered Cars

My friends '88 Colt with a 1.5L (82cdi or so) engine can get up and go.  It
can do 0-60 in over 30seconds (I an NOT joking), what is just past the
1/4mile.  Then top speed with about 2 mile speed-up is just shy of 80mph.
Man, we took the car into to three diferent shops, three tune-ups and test
drives and no one can figure out what is wrong.  They all say (it runs
fine).  What a dog.  My propane fired (makes a big difference in power.
Unless you have a high-compr. motor don't get propane) Regency with a 307,
all options, 2.56 open(yes, they will spin a bit, 205s), Th200R4 and tons
of weight can do 0-60 in 13.5sec. and bury the needle (85mph) no propblem
fast.  I thought this thing was the slowest in the world until I drove his
car.  At least most of the new cars now are a little better.  Drove a neon
for a couple of days when my dads Intrepid was in the body shop from a
rear-end (get this, my dad refused to drive it so I had to give up the
Delta for a few days).  The neon was one of the worst cars I have ever
driven, just terrible, but could to 0-60 in about 14 to 15 seconds.  Past
60 is a different story thought, but it was still decent to 60.  I can't
emagine any other new car being much worse then the neon in any respect.
After that, I had to fight my dad to get the Delta back.  Was his car once.
 Igor.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
> From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
> To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Underpowered Cars
> Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:01 AM
>
> Written By : Thomas Martin:
>
> >>Anyone got a stab at the most underpowered car made by GM?<<
>
> I was thinking of the diesel Chevette (0-60 in 27 seconds, more with air
> conditioning) but the big  Buick with a 231 probably be slower.
>
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
> Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
> The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
> statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
> '96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:11:49 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: NW 4-4-2 Picnic

Just another reminder.  This Sunday (July 12th) is the 9th annual NW
Cutlass/4-4-2 picnic held in Centralia, Washington.  Sponsored by the
South Sound 4-4-2 Club and the 4-4-2 Club of Oregon.  Held at Fort Borst
park (exit 82 off I-5), the picnic starts at 10:00 am.  Trophies, etc.
All Cutlass, 4-4-2, Hurst/Olds and Vista Cruisers are welcome.  Going by
the weather forecasts, I should mention the picnic will be held rain or
shine!  Hope to see you there.  Let me know if you need more
information.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:33:56 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '80s sport steering wheel

>
> << I have an 86 Salon w/the sport wheel.  The wheel is wrapped in grey
>  leather; the spokes are black.
>   >>
>     I also have a sport wheel, about '82/3. Black spokes, molded maroon
> plastic I believe. ( If I remember correctly, it's cracked) Dorian

Up till 84, the mid eighties Cutlass Sport wheel had interior color
"half-leather" on the sides of the wheel only.  85-88, the sport wheel
rim was wrapped completely with interior color coordinating leather.
Both styles had the big color matched vinyl horn button with plastic
insert/rocket and a horn button "beauty ring", which circled the rocket
emblem, and was silver, until 86 when it changed to black.  And the "T"
bar was textured black coating.  Can be repainted satin black to restore
the luster, if needed.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:37:47 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Unions & GM

Message text written by Mark???
>I used to be against unions until I saw what a company can do to
employees.
You become a number and the just want you there everday..<

I will start by stating that as an engineer, I am salaried and therefore
not union.  There are pros and cons of the UAW - at least from my
perspective at GM.

1)  My personal experience - the 4T65-E parts that we make in my area were
supposed to be outsourced to a Canadian company instead of us retooling our
4T60 equipment to make 4T65s.  The UAW fought it and we got the business
back.  These parts represent 850+ jobs including mine.  So, even though I
am not UAW, I was helped by them.  It was a complex issue - of which I
cannot go into.

2)  UAW dues are about $500 per year for the average GM worker

3)  All GM workers, whether hourly or salary - have some of the best jobs
in the country - especially for unskilled labor.  Any doubts about this -
we just hired about 50 new production workers - there were over 5000
applications and people were lined up the day before applications were
accepted.  These jobs are in demand because the pay and the benefits are
not equalled at many other industries.

3)  No - salaried people do not get the same benefits as UAW represented
workers - we pay for part of our health insurance, we pay deductibles an
co-pays, and we do not get COLA adjustments.  But as a general rule it does
help.

4) The strike at Flint Metal Fab. is over work rules - the peg system.
That system of work (finished for the day when your quota is met) is
non-competitive.  My plant (most of which is a Metal Fab plant) eliminated
this system years ago.  If it was a new system for GM to eliminate it, I
could understand the strike, but Flint is the only one of 13 Metal Fab
plants to still have the peg system.

5) The Delphi strike is over outsourcing - moving of work to Mexico.  I can
be sympathetic to this cause as it could happen to any plant - although I
cannot officially condone the strike.

6) The plants that are striking are probably signing their death
certificate - when GM is looking for plants to close - the ones that have
been striking will be the first.

7)  Workers on excused absence (not oficially a layoff - at least in Ohio)
did not get their July 4th shutdown pay (although they probably will
eventually)

8) I don't think Ohio will pay unemployment until a decision is made about
eligibility.  Ohio still hasn't determined eligibility for the strike a few
months ago so I don't think anyone is getting it right now.  The workers in
Ohio will take a large financial hit before this is over.

9) A bigger toll is going to happen to suppliers and support businesses
(restaurants, etc.)

10)  GM will probably lose some customers permanently due to low
inventories.

11)  To keep this somehwhat Olds related - if this strike drags out, some
car programs WILL suffer and be eliminated.  I don't think Oldsmobile would
be eliminated with its current lineup - but future programs are at risk.

Just my personal views on the strike.  Lets hope for everyone's sake that
this is ended soon.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:46:01 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Revenge etc.

My apologies also, I didn't read the entire thread until after I posted. As
was said it was for entertainment purposes, not educational.

  Peter

John M wrote:

> ---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
> > I find this entire revenge thread slightly off topic. I'd ask
> everyone to end discussion on this, please.
> >
>  Nothing worse than reading 3 pages of previously posted stuff to
> > find a single sentence added at the bottom.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
> Canada
> >
> >
> Apologies, everyone. I agree with Greg, if you have comments (good or
> bad), please send them privately.
> Thanks,
> John
> ==
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
> 1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
> 1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
>  mailto:super442@yahoo.com
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:47:12 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

Does that include the 455, 330 and other olds oddballs?

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> stat bypass they all have it  ...kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket Motor
>
> >Not sure about all Rockets, but my 71 has another tube coming out of the
> >waterneck going to the water pump.
> >
> >

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:40:59 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Slow vehicles

Message text written by Thomas Martin
>My mom had a 85 HT4100 "D" car Cadillac.  It was a slug.  When I drove
(Rare) I use "D" instead of "OD".  Mileage was better....<

How about the infamous V-8/6/4 that Cadillac had in the early 80's.  Ran on
8, 6, or 4 cylinders depending on load.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:46:11 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: '80s sport steering wheel

>Can be repainted satin black to restore the luster, if needed.

Harley Davidson sells spray cans of black crinkle case paint, has anyone
compared it to the original finish on these steering wheels?  As I remember it
is not a heavy texture and is very durable.


Just a thought,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:57:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page

I took a look at Chris' page (I got your message Chris, looks fine from
here) and wow, who punched Scarlet in the nose? ;-)  Poor car -- the
picture makes it look really unfortunate and sad, almost like it's
sticking it's tongue out at the camera (OK, I can't help it, some cars
look like faces to me).

As for those seats -- I dunno Chris, they don't look like anything I've
ever seen in an Olds of that vintage. They don't look like Supreme seats
either, which was my first thought. Unless someone proves me wrong I'd go
out on a limb and say they were redone somewhere along the way.

I'm partial to Scarlet -- that's my car's color too!

http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:31:48 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Caddy Gears (Was: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car)

>But for you Delta owners, wanna tidbit for power?  ALL HT4100 cars in 85
>came with 3.42 gears!!!!   And if it is High Alt spec?  3.73!!! Happy
>hunting!  (snag the speedo gears in the trans while you are at it...)

Wishful thinking here but does anyone know if thoes gears swap into a G-body
axle?  That'd be a sweet way to get ahold of some 3.42s....

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:44 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

At 07:52 AM 7/10/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>     It's always  good to hear from someone from RI online. I am taking it
that
>you have a shop in Rumford, if I am right where are you located?
>       The 71 project is a rotbox I got for a hundred dollars, with a rod
knock.
>It had NHRA Racing seats in it so I know I at least got my moneys worth. I
am not
>looking at doing it original as of yet, there are too many panels that
have rotted
>through, and I can only do s omuch with a 110 Arc welder.
>        It is a run of the mill Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, although at some
point in
>time it was restored to look like a Ralleye, yellow body and bumpers. The
interior
>is shot, and anything cosmetic is pretty gone too. So I wanted a 71, I got
one.
>But it is going to be slightly noticable going down Newport Avenue.
>        I am looking for some advice on adding horses to it though. My
expierience
>tells me to go Chevy, but I would like to see what can be done with the
existing
>block, besides a doorstop.

Peter,

You're up in Pawtucket? I'm down here in Providence with my SX, which can't
be in much better shape than your '71 sounds. You say you want to see what
you can do with the stock motor? Plenty, or you can drop in a 455; I know
of one sitting up on Mineral Spring Ave right now that is supposed to run
well, which you might be able to pick up cheap. The 350 can run strong as
well, though I prefer the bigger-blocks.

E-mail me directly, as I won't be on the list but for a few days.
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:32:53 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page

Greg,

> I took a look at Chris' page (I got your message Chris, looks fine from
> here) and wow, who punched Scarlet in the nose? ;-)  Poor car -- the

It sure does look like she got punched in the nose.  The good thing is that
most of thedamage was centralized on the bumper, light housings, bumper
brackets.   The fenders got
a little tweaked but all in all the car is restorable.

> picture makes it look really unfortunate and sad, almost like it's
> sticking it's tongue out at the camera (OK, I can't help it, some cars
> look like faces to me).

I know what you mean.

> As for those seats -- I dunno Chris, they don't look like anything I've
> ever seen in an Olds of that vintage. They don't look like Supreme seats
> either, which was my first thought. Unless someone proves me wrong I'd go
> out on a limb and say they were redone somewhere along the way.

Well this is what I asserted when I got the car, however, the lady claims
that she got thecar in original condition.  I have talked to upholstery
specialists about getting new material
for this car and I was told that the leather/cloth combo was available at
that time.  Who
knows.  I can barely read the build sheet.  There may be an option for this.

> I'm partial to Scarlet -- that's my car's color too!

Is your car's color that which came on the car originally?  If it is then
I have an idea as to whatthis car is going to look like.  The lady who owned
it before me like the bright read and even
had the engine painted that red.  Egads!

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:48:40 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

     Any ideas on max Rpm's ?  Only serious power I have seen out of an Olds
motor, was accompanied by a rod blowing around 5000 RPM's.
     Looking at the mains, you reallly can't go to a four bolt, even with 
custom
caps. Are there any 4 bolt 350 Rockets? I thought I read a while back there
being one as a GM Performance part, although they also said the only difference
between the bowtie was the Rocket emblem, so I seriously doubt it. (Was a Ch*vy
mag)
       I doing a complete complete rebuild, anyone know of any stroker, or over
boring setups that will work?

        Thanks,
Peter
      Kerry Kroger wrote:

> well if you have the 350 olds try a edelbrock performer rpm a rebuilt
> quadrajet maybe from the carb shop and headers the rpm cam kit might be ok
> but you can do better from lunati get the mondello recommended grind the
> same tricks can be done to the 455 but the intake wont fit so you could use
> the std performer or torker .....kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:49:51 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

At 03:48 PM 7/10/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>     Any ideas on max Rpm's ?  Only serious power I have seen out of an Olds
>motor, was accompanied by a rod blowing around 5000 RPM's.

Well, poorly-prepared big-blocks will do that; with a short-stroke nodular
crank, the factory forged rods, a windage tray and a *proper* oiling system
(adequate feed and drainback), the early 350's are good for 6500rpm. If you
want to get very serious, use a diesel shortblock with proper preparation,
some Edelbrock heads and a single-plane intake, and you'll be making power
through 7000rpm.

>     Looking at the mains, you reallly can't go to a four bolt, even with
custom
>caps. Are there any 4 bolt 350 Rockets? I thought I read a while back there
>being one as a GM Performance part, although they also said the only
difference
>between the bowtie was the Rocket emblem, so I seriously doubt it. (Was a
Ch*vy
>mag)

Those "corporate" race motors were all Chevy-based, yes.

>       I doing a complete complete rebuild, anyone know of any stroker, or
over
>boring setups that will work?

heh- you're not familiar with the Mondello 454 _small-block_ stroker kit?
You need the diesel block, but it will certainly make power...


_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:19:11 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Parts for Sale

I am only passing on the for sale ad.  Contact the gentleman listed - I'm
not sure where his area code places him.

Lisa

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 22:21:45 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome plating

You could also contact Everett Horton @ ANTIQOLDS@aol.com, he knows of good
ones on the East Coast.

Lisa

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:18:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Blower on an Olds engine

>Has anyone outhere put a blower on there motor.  What are the reselts?  Is
> it better than nithous? >>
>I have a paxton on my 72olds but it has a 87 chevy tpi motor in it and 125HP

If you want to see a cool photo of a blown 455 check out the following URL.
http://442.com/rocketsci.html
It's a picture of Chris Witt standing next to my new engine. I dont have
possesion of it yet. Gotta finish paying for it first. Should have some
more photos of it posted some time in the near future.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:13:36 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Removing cutlass emblems

Or, if you want, taking the door off gets you a lot closer access to the
nuts that hold the emblems on.


> At 09:00 AM 7/9/1998 -0700, you wrote:
> >Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
> >front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
> >bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
> >fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for a
> >paint job on my daily driver.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:37:24 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: All the "me too" postings...

Not to sound too crabby, but I think there are entirely too many "me
too" postings.  If someone has an addition that adds information, by
all means, follow it up.   But just saying "I agree/me too/blah blah
blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.

thank you,

greg

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:47:04 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered  Car

My dad bought my '71 cutlass new of the showroom floor because his
previous car in 1969 was a VW Beetle with 39horsepower!  He said after
new plugs, adjusting the carb and timing, it would top out at 60mph
for just that day.  Every day after the tuneup it would get slower.
The 180 horsepower 350 olds was a fast car compared to the VW.  Now it
has 300+HP and plans for a 450+HP 455 are in the works.

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:46:47 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings...

At 03:37 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Not to sound too crabby, but I think there are entirely too many "me
>too" postings.  If someone has an addition that adds information, by
>all means, follow it up.   But just saying "I agree/me too/blah blah
>blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.
>
>thank you,
>
>greg
>

Not to sound to crabby, but there have been far to many
"whining about the list" posts clogging up my mailbox lately.
If someone has an addition that adds information, by
all means, follow it up.   But just saying "whining/blah blah
blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:57:15 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

DEAR KARLAUNE,
          PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE TO ME TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.  I DO
NOT DO SO TO ,"SHOUT" AT ANYONE.  MY WIFE AND I BOTH USE OUR COMPUTER OFTEN,
AND THE WAY THAT OTHERS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN US, IS BY THE FACT THAT I USE
CAPITAL LETTERS, AND MY WIFE USES THE LOWER CASE LETTERS.  IT IS MERELY A
PERSONAL THING, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ,"THE LIST".

                                           DAN EDWARDS

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:12:23 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

It is just harder to read when you stare at a computer screen all day.
( i.e. programmers(me) , data entry personnel......)
not trying to "whine"
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number


>DEAR KARLAUNE,
>          PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE TO ME TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.  I DO
>NOT DO SO TO ,"SHOUT" AT ANYONE.  MY WIFE AND I BOTH USE OUR COMPUTER
OFTEN,
>AND THE WAY THAT OTHERS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN US, IS BY THE FACT THAT I USE
>CAPITAL LETTERS, AND MY WIFE USES THE LOWER CASE LETTERS.  IT IS MERELY A
>PERSONAL THING, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ,"THE LIST".
>
>                                           DAN EDWARDS

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:09:52 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

well the engine shouldnt be taken above 5500 without a little modification
in the oiling system a good oil pump such as the one available from sealed
power will suffice then you need to get the bottom end oil restrictor kit
from mondello olds this keeps the oil down around the bearings where it will
do the most good. you seethe oiling system works a little too good it will
pump the oil pan dry at about 6000 but a good engine will go well above that
so beware my w-31 would rev to 7000 and run 13.80 in the quarter stock with
headers it couldve done better the new cams will rev well but you need to
fix the oiling first....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.


>     Any ideas on max Rpm's ?  Only serious power I have seen out of an
Olds
>motor, was accompanied by a rod blowing around 5000 RPM's.
>     Looking at the mains, you reallly can't go to a four bolt, even with
custom
>caps. Are there any 4 bolt 350 Rockets? I thought I read a while back there
>being one as a GM Performance part, although they also said the only
difference
>between the bowtie was the Rocket emblem, so I seriously doubt it. (Was a
Ch*vy
>mag)
>       I doing a complete complete rebuild, anyone know of any stroker, or
over
>boring setups that will work?
>
>        Thanks,
>Peter
>      Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
>> well if you have the 350 olds try a edelbrock performer rpm a rebuilt
>> quadrajet maybe from the carb shop and headers the rpm cam kit might be
ok
>> but you can do better from lunati get the mondello recommended grind the
>> same tricks can be done to the 455 but the intake wont fit so you could
use
>> the std performer or torker .....kk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:16:04 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

all type R general motors  (Oldsmobile ) engines have this hose the 455 330
425 350 403 260 307 400 all type R engines.  ...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor


>Does that include the 455, 330 and other olds oddballs?
>
>Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
>> stat bypass they all have it  ...kk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 4:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket Motor
>>
>> >Not sure about all Rockets, but my 71 has another tube coming out of the
>> >waterneck going to the water pump.
>> >
>> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:19:59 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings...

me too.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 1:38 PM
Subject: All the "me too" postings...


>Not to sound too crabby, but I think there are entirely too many "me
>too" postings.  If someone has an addition that adds information, by
>all means, follow it up.   But just saying "I agree/me too/blah blah
>blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.
>
>thank you,
>
>greg
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:22:18 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Divorcing General Motors

They're putting the corvair back into production?!!!!!!!!!
- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:48 AM
Subject: Divorcing General Motors


>On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a legal expert or anything, so I don't know how all those details
>> would play out if Olds actually thought about going ahead with the
>> separation.  Thoughts?
>
>**********************
>I'm sure that GM's management would much rather kill off a division over
>letting it go independent, so I'd rate the chances for Oldsmobile ever
>doing just that about equal with the Corvair going back into production.
>On top of that, Oldsmobile would need to have a whole army of John Rock
>clones to fight the battles and pull it off.  I don't believe that a
>management team that could be called solely Oldsmobile's even exists any
>more, let alone worrying about if they have any interest in really doing
>the right things for survival.  Therefore, I'm afraid that the idea of
>Oldsmobile divorcing itself from GM is nothing more than a dream which has
>no chance for coming true.  I think we should just resign ourselves to the
>fact that Oldsmobile as we knew and loved it, no longer exists.  If it
>comes to be that it no longer exists in any form at all, I'm wondering if
>our mourning would really even be appropriate at this point.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:35:37 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

THANK YOU ALL,

 And I won't tell my wife anything.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:31:54 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

Wouldn't it be alot easier on the eyes if you just signed your
individual names to your posting???? Good lord people..let's use our
heads for something other than a hat rack..!!

Mike................
_____________________________________________________________________

> DEAR KARLAUNE,
>           PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE TO ME TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.  I DO
> NOT DO SO TO ,"SHOUT" AT ANYONE.  MY WIFE AND I BOTH USE OUR COMPUTER OFTEN,
> AND THE WAY THAT OTHERS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN US, IS BY THE FACT THAT I USE
> CAPITAL LETTERS, AND MY WIFE USES THE LOWER CASE LETTERS.  IT IS MERELY A
> PERSONAL THING, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ,"THE LIST".
>
>                                            DAN EDWARDS
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:32:55 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings...

I agree.......!!
Mike......
__________________________________________________________

> Not to sound too crabby, but I think there are entirely too many "me
> too" postings.  If someone has an addition that adds information, by
> all means, follow it up.   But just saying "I agree/me too/blah blah
> blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.
>
> thank you,
>
> greg
>
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:39:49 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Firefrost response from advisor

Hello all.  I got this e-mail from Kurt Karch, the 69 H/O advisor for
the OCA and H/OCA in response to my asking how the meet went.  He's the
FIRST known 69 H/O owner to use the new Firefrost formulation on his
car.  He was supposed to send me some pics of this beast, but he hasn't
so far.  So, if anyone going to the Nats sees this beauty there, let me
know what you think of the new paint when you get back.  I'm curious.  I
won't get to see it "live", unfortunately until next year's H/O Indy
meet.  Interesting info about the trunkmats....

Mike Rothe

KURT KARCH wrote:
>
> HI, MEET WAS GOOD, BUT MY GOD IT WAS HOT..........THE PAINT LOOKED BETTER
> THAN ANY OTHER 69 THERE.  AS IT TURNS OUT, THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL PAINT CAR
> THERE, BUT IT WAS SO FADED THE CAR WAS ALMOST TOTALLY WHITE ON THE OUTSIDE.
<SNIP>

> EVERYBODY TOLD ME THAT THE GOLD
> ON MY CAR REALLY LIT UP IN THE SUN GOING DOWN THE DRAGSTRIP.... HELL IT
> LOOKED THAT GOOD TO ME JUST SITTING STILL IN THE STAGING LANES!

<SNIP>
> THAT S MY
> EXCUSE FOR NO PICTURES YET..... I PROMISE TO TAKE SOME BEFORE I LOAD ONTO
> TRAILER TO HEAD FOR SPRINGFIELD. IL NEXT WEDNESDAY.  BY THE WAY, DID YOU
> KNOW YOU CURRENTLY CANNOT BUY TRUNKMATS FOR 68 -72 CUTLASSES?   EVIDENTLY
> THE MATERIAL IS NOT MANUFACTURED ANY MORE.  ..... HARD TO BELIEVE.....
>
> LATER, KURT

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:50:56 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Firefrost response from advisor

Interesting, I saw Kurt's H/O in Evansville, IN last Oct at the MCC
Autofest and it was stunning then.  Of course there weren't any other
H/O there to compare.  I'll have to dig up my pictures of his car from
then and compare when I see his car next week.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Mike Rothe.[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net]
>Sent: 	Friday, July 10, 1998 4:39 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Firefrost response from advisor
>
>Hello all.  I got this e-mail from Kurt Karch, the 69 H/O advisor for
>the OCA and H/OCA in response to my asking how the meet went.  He's the
>FIRST known 69 H/O owner to use the new Firefrost formulation on his
>car.  He was supposed to send me some pics of this beast, but he hasn't
>so far.  So, if anyone going to the Nats sees this beauty there, let me
>know what you think of the new paint when you get back.  I'm curious.  I
>won't get to see it "live", unfortunately until next year's H/O Indy
>meet.  Interesting info about the trunkmats....
>
>Mike Rothe
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Intake Gasket Q (fwd)

Forwarded from a fellow on the Poncho list... told him I always used a 1
piece in any Olds engines I've worked with... but what's the groups
opinion...

Thanks,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com


   I have a quick Olds Q I didn't see in the FAQ:
   I'm doing an R&R on the heads of my '72 350 (in the Vista Cruiser)
   and picked up the gaskets today - the set had separate L/R intake
   gaskets as opposed to the one-piece gasket/vally shield I took off.
   He (NAPA guy) says the 2-pc (Victor 15122) is correct but still shows
   the 1-pc (Victor 15925) as available... should I use the 2-pc or
   hold out for the 1-pc gasket????

   Appreciate any thoughts on this,


	GregD


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:01:43 EDT
From: <Surmise@aol.com>
Subject: emblem removal

I'm also having difficulty removing the 442 from the front panels.  How do the
restoration folks put emblems back on so they can pull them off to wax that
area?

John
Surmise@aol.com
67 442

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:57:29 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic

Greg Rollin wrote:
>
> Just another reminder.  This Sunday (July 12th) is the 9th annual NW
> Cutlass/4-4-2 picnic held in Centralia, Washington.  Sponsored by the
> South Sound 4-4-2 Club and the 4-4-2 Club of Oregon.
Why couldn't I have known about ya'all when I was stationed at Ft.
Lewis? I only have my daily driver '68 CS Hol. Coupe (w/455), but I
would have gladly showed her off. Now the Army sends me to Ga. And the
worst part is that everyone I have talked to is on the other end of the
state from Ft. Stewart. Hope you guys have a blast.
T.J.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:12:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: pics on the net... (non-olds)

Well finally got some pics of that '65 Bonneville that I bought up...

thought some of you all might want to take a look... tell me whatcha'
think!

http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html





    |
   /|\       Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
  / | \      Clayton Pierce,
 |  |  |     school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 | / \ |
 |/   \|     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
  \   / 	
   \ /	     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
    |		(RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:23:59 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Slow vehicles

Hey, I'm looking into buying one of those, mainly for historical
purposes.  Truly, it has to be the dummest Tranisition-years cough-up
ever (IMHO).  It seems to me of all the tricks to get small-car mileage
out of a big car, this was the Least successful.  I originally thought
about the car to put the fuel-injection onto an olds, but I heard it
wasn't that good in the first place, so I stopped that thought.  Maybe
someday someone will come out with a complete secondary engine that
fires up when needed??

Of course, with the two-engine Toro idea, that could be quite the punch
when the rear engine kicked in!
 (The world needs more eccentrics, we need to explore the world of the
not economically feasible)

Eric Aksomitis
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

Steve Ochs wrote:
> How about the infamous V-8/6/4 that Cadillac had in the early 80's.  Ran on
> 8, 6, or 4 cylinders depending on load.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:24:22 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: emblem removal

Surmise@aol.com wrote:

> I'm also having difficulty removing the 442 from the front panels.  How do 
the
> restoration folks put emblems back on so they can pull them off to wax that
> area?
>
> John
> Surmise@aol.com
> 67 442


John,
They are called "Barrel Clips".  They can be purchased at most any auto-body
paint store.  These will allow you to remove and install the emblems easily.
However, you will need to slightly enlarge the holes in the fenders to accept
the clips - -- Greg Rollin Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we
do!) 503-244-8249 http://www.supercarsunlimited.com E-mail:
supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:31:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: [none]

Hello all,

Well I'm thinking of buying another Oldsmobile... here's what my options
are... tell me what you all think... tell me what to watch out for...

1965 Cutlass 2dr. 330 V8, console/buckets, needs resto, runs good $800
might be able to talk down a bit.

1976 442, almost no options, body been hot-rodded, original engine replace
by 454 ChXvy BB, runs good, $500, might be able to talk down a bit.

1976 Cutlass Supreme 2dr. well optioned, T-tops, Olds 350, 4bbl, 67k miles
says runs good, $400 might be able to talk down a bit.

1984 Delta 88 2dr. well optioned, sunroof, body, paint, interior nice,
says motor knocking bad, $300, may be able to talk down some.

Tell me whatcha' think... I'm going to be getting a student loan for this
next semester anyways... so I'm planning on getting something like this
anyways... as a '65 full-size is a bit much to use for a daily driver ;-)
... and at these prices... I think I might oughtta' jump on something...

Yeah... lookit' the new .sig!


    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:04:08 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

About the aluminium intake cleaning -- use TSP (tri-sodium phosphate) -- soak
whole intake in a solution of TSP and water - not too long though because it
will eat the aluminium.

George wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> what would you think works good to clean a used aluminium intake manifold
> inside and outside before bolting it on? Thought about carburetor
> cleaner... is that a good idea? Experiences?
>
> Thanks
>
> George
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> '68 Cuttlass S Conv.
> '77 Lincoln Continental
> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:01:27 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: All the

>> Me too...
>
>Not to sound to crabby, but there have been far to many
>"whining about the list" posts clogging up my mailbox lately.
>If someone has an addition that adds information, by
>all means, follow it up.   But just saying "whining/blah blah
>blah" just adds way too many postings to my mailbox.
>


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:08:03 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Unicase 350's

Listmembers,

I think the Unicase transmissions must have began in 1980, my 80 Starfire has
one in it, and the 79 Starfire parts car had a C-word tranny case in it (V-8
powered).  Anyone able to confirm this?

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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