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oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, July 8 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1353



Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap
cool sight
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Happy 101st...
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Third Question
Re: Oldsmobiles found.
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake
Who's Who at Nats
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Black inner fender restoration
Re: '57 or '58 was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc
good morning list ...........
R12/R134a Experience
Re: Wanted: '77-'79 Delta Remote Mirror
Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters
Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
Timing Question
Need 67 Parts
Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap
Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
Re: Black inner fender restoration
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two
Re: Black inner fender restoration
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters
RE: Timing Question
Re: Article in MCR=stinks
RE: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
OLDS Sales for June
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two
Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
door trim needed
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: Black inner fender restoration
UNBOUNCE: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?
UNBOUNCE: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
re:  Nitrous, blower, or head work
Re: Nitrous, blower, or head work
another starting problem
Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters
G-Body electric window adj
Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe
balancer
Re: G-Body electric window adj
Re: another starting problem
87 Salon driver's door armrest needed.
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:02:53 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:16:42 -0700
From: "michael burlingame" <miburli@email.msn.com>
Subject: cool sight

Use your search engine for Olds FAQ. There is a decent sight there.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: e-wrecking yards


>> Um......I think you forgot to hit "paste" before you sent the message
>> Charley.   :)
>
>Uh, err, well, umm....  Oops!  How about:
>http://www.gillys.com
>
>Going back to hide in my corner now.  Guess it must be close to Monday!
>
>CB

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 01:20:15 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

OK, this thread is getting to be aged now, so I can step in.  I'm ~pretending~
to have forgotten the "che*y guy" admission.  I wanted to wait till I forgot it
completely, but I guess that's the best I can do on this thread!  :)

Anyway, as for the Delta, ~DO IT!!!~  Don't let anyone tell you not to, just
because it's not a "Sports Car"  Trust me, it ~will~ be.  Some of my favorite
races have involve six or seven doors.  4 or 5 on the cars we would choose
between (the Executor, uh, I mean Pont. Executive, or the 84 Pont. Pariesienne
(sp? aw who cares...)  The other two doors were for the other guy to pick up
after we ~blew em off~!  I guarantee you there's nothing more satisfying than
the look on some high school kid's face in his 'vette while a station wagon is
kicking his a**.  I'll never forget that 5.Slo's driver's look as a monster 
boat
~with a car seat in plain view~ left him ~way~ back there with several
witnesses...  We slowed down to turn off, and he ~still~ had this "what the 
hell
just beat us?" look on his face.  The passenger's busy sinking lower and lower
in his seat, trying ~not~ to be seen...  Way too funny!  I know which car ~I'd~
rather be in.

So, anyone giving you crap about your four door, or big luxo cruiser, whatever,
just take 'em out to the 1/4.  Or the most convenient and safe location and 
show
'em what your boat can do, and their che*y ~can't~.  It's hard ~not~ to be a
street race in that aspect, so I have to overemphasize the "safe" aspect.  They
usually take a little baiting before they become willing to learn, if you know
what I mean.  This usually involves some jumping, gassing it and letting off, 
ya
know, lurching foreward, and waiting for them to catch up again.  Keep that up
until they get pi**ed off and decide to "show you what power is"  They try
running away, and then you pass them.  It works quite often.  Uhh, or so I
hear...  Yeah.  My absolute favorite activity happens while racing at a
light...  I basically let them lead the show, and just match speeds with them.
Gives 'em this false sense of security.  Until I get bored and notice them
looking my direction.  At that point, I usually grin, wave, and then stomp on
it.  Incredible bubble burster there, especially if the speed is right that I
can get some squawking noises happening from the back end...  Heh heh.  I 
really
miss that part...

Anyway, go for it, build your boat, and build it well.  Good luck, and welcome
to the ~correct~ lane in the Olds vs. che*y races! ;)  This is an excellent
source for learning and an occasional laugh.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 01:37:59 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Happy 101st...

> either Buick or Oldsmobile will have to be shut down.

I guess it's been in GM's long term plans for a while now to eliminate ~all~ of
the marketting divisions, and have just one bran, Nao.  Originally slated for 
20
or 30 years down the road, but they may well be looking at a shortcut here.
Pi**ed ~me~ off when I heard that.

> Current Buicks are even less interesting than Oldsmobiles

Although I did get to check out a new (97) Riv last month.  Nasty!  That dash 
is
a trip back I'll tell you what!  Way too cool!  Supercharged V6, 150% loaded!
Body lines are, well, umm...  Well, it ~has~ body lines.  I'll leave it at
that.  The car was cool, though.

What burns me up, however, is the marketing strategies.  Who's being
targetted???
Chevrolet?  Average working class, rich, poor, everybody.
	GM's bread and butter.
Cadillac?  Wealthy yuppies, I guess.  Much younger crowd than in past.
Buick?  Working parents on the go.
Pontiac?  Anyone who wants performance, power, and fun. (Excitement)
Oldsmobile?  Nobody.

What's wrong with this picture?  Now we've got the baby boomers who've grown up
and finally quit all the drugs, and have tons of $$$ to spend on cars that they
grew up with in the 60s.   The older crowds have always been considerred the
wealthier, but have also been stereotyped as the slow drivers.  That's changed
alot, hasn't it?  Used to be 40 meant driving caddy's or lincolns to and from
bingo.  No more.  Now that numbers closer to 70 or so.  Of course GM's still
marketting the old way, so I think they're not only missing the boat but 
they're
in the wrong damn ocean...  The Pontiac marketting team seems to be on the
ball.  Which is why they're a successful division.   Which is why it'll 
probably
be Buick ~and~ Oldsmobile saying farewell.  I guess that'd give us one more
excuse for not buying a new Olds.  And give them one more lousy excuse for not
making a 442, Cutlass, or ~anything~ rear wheel drive.


> The way GM operates now, Olds is just a marketing division, not a
> manufacturer, and that just makes it easier to kill.
>  Happy 101st birthday, eh?

No doubt.  Happy 101st.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 01:07:42 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

How about a '66 Luxury Street Yacht?

Cruisin',

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 04:24:32 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

YOu should have come to Rhode Island, there are 5 that I know of in my
hometown of Pawtucket. I am restoring/ pro streeting a 71 now and I know of a
body shop restoring a 442, not sure of the year.

    Peter

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I was disappointed not to see very many nice Oldses on the roads while I
> was cruising around New England this weekend. I saw absolutely no 60s-70s
> Cutlasses of any kind cruising around which surprised me because there
> were lots of other restored cars on the roads. The nicest thing I saw on
> the road was (and this will appeal to the lunatic fringe like me) a '78
> Custom Cruiser wagon in Bar Harbor, Maine, driven by an old gent.  Beige
> paint, woodgrain, the thing looked like it just came out of the showroom
> -- perhaps a summer car used only when the owner is there on vacation. I
> want it... ;-)
>
> Rich Spear had a couple of neat cars in his garages in Boston. One was a
> '69 4-4-2 convertible, 4-speed, Saffron yellow, loaded. Real pretty even
> though '69s are my least favorite of that generation of Cutlass. The
> other (again, the lunatic fringe type) was a '79 98 Regency he said he
> got from an old lady. All white, no vinyl roof which I think looks
> better, red interior, loaded. They never should have stopped making those.
>
> Of course many of you know Everett's '61 Starfire which is a gorgeous
> car. You may not know he has other toys: a '71 or '72 (I forget, sorry)
> Supreme he's working on that has 3-on-the-tree, a real oddball; and a '70
> Vista wagon he told me he uses to haul his trailer to meets with. It is a
> factory 2-tone car, white over pale green with woodgrain (makes it 3-tone
> I guess), I loved it. Seems I'm developing a soft spot for wagons. He
> also has an Oldsified S-10 pickup that is really neat -- Bravada grille,
> Olds logos instead of the bowties, even an Olds interior. Great stuff.
>
> The only other car of interest I saw was on the way home: a '72 4-4-2
> convertible, dark green with a saddle convertible top, parked by the side
> of Route 9 east outside of Bangor, Maine with a for sale sign on it.
> Couldn't stop to take a look but if anyone is going to be in the area
> they might want to check it out -- looked pretty nice from the road.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 04:44:43 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Third Question

     200R4? Check to make sure your lockup switch is connected. Did you get 
your
tranny rebuild or trade in for another? 1 day sounds a little scarry for a
rebuild and intallation removal.

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Hi again gang.  I have three questions, all of which I can't get answered
> elsewhere, so I'll try the Olds list (the list can ALWAYS answer my Q's).
> This isn't ~OLDS~ related, but I'm asking these questions ~about~ my Olds,
> so here 'goes...
>
> 1)  I have a squeak/squawk in the front fender (passenger side) and it's
> because the metal bumper and the metal fender are rubbing together when I
> hit bumps, etc.  My question is: can I put some clear (white lithium?)
> grease in-between the two metal parts, so they'll rub together smoothly
> (keep it clean, gents...!)?  I figure that the grease won't hurt the paint
> and if the paint does get worn away because of the parts flexing, the grease
> will keep the rust out.  I'll put the grease where you can't seen it from
> the outside, so I'm figuring that this'll be okay to do, just wondering
> about paint affects.
>
> 2)  Thomas Martin can't seem to keep quiet about how good his Hooker exhaust
> system is (I assume Tom L. likes his, too?)!  I was wondering if the test
> pipe that comes with the system can be cut to sort of slip-fit to the rear
> of the existing cat and still bolt up to the Y-pipe.  I just got my
> emissions test (literally, like 4 days ago), so I don't need to have the cat
> for a while, but I want to keep it connected anyway (they say cops can smell
> cars w/o a cat that need one...).  Anyway, is there enough room where I can
> cut the Hooker-supplied "test pipe" so it's only 1" long or so and bolt it
> to the Y-pipe and slip it over the cat-pipe?
>
> 3)  There's no real hurry in answering the second question.  I just dropped,
> ohh, 700 bucks for the tranny rebuild, so I won't be getting any exhaust
> system THIS summer!  Hopefully this winter, though...  Anyway, as you all
> know, the 200 died and I got it rebuilt (in only 1 day, as promised!), and
> the tranny ran pretty rough the first evening.  It didn't shift into 3rd
> gear at all unless I manually shifted the shift lever.  The 2nd day, it
> wasn't playing any of those games, but some gears engage rather rough.  When
> I move the lever to R, it immediately bangs down into Reverse.  And, while
> in D, when I brake to a stop, it's pretty rough when it down-shifts into 1st
> (at around 5 or 10 miles per hour).  Everything else, however, is crisp and
> sharp, but not jarring.  The car really runs strong now and I don't regret
> dropping all that money.  I'm assuming these symptoms are to be expected of
> a recently rebuilt tranny?  The place that did the rebuild was real
> professional about it (local rednecks, BUT, they really do care about your
> car).  They want to see it back in a week to make sure nothing's leaking,
> etc.  If it's still acting rough in a week, I'll mention it to them, but
> please tell me that this is nothing to worry about!  I think I've debugged
> about every major system in this car now and I'm ready to quit spending
> money and start enjoying the car!
>
> Thanks gang.  As always, I know y'all will be able to shed some light on my
> little humble questions...  ;-)
>
> Happy Canada Day and have a safe 4th.
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 01:53:34 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles found.

Cliff McFarlane
62 98 4dr - parts
62 Starfire htp - parts
62 Starfire conv - in restoration
63 Starfire htp - maybe restore
63 Starfire conv - maybe restore
63 Starfire htp - restored ----> http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
57 Ford Fairlane 500 conv - restored

'Aught to call yourself the "Starfire Magnet"

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"  Luxury Weekend Street Yacht
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:54:15 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

Yes,
That is why i had to so a little machining. Also then the ports don't match
exactly but  with an small grinder it is satisfactory. Actually , unless you
want the complete nostalgis look, you are better off finding an aftermarket
manifold.
Roger
OCA #27353

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:05:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats

As of Wednesday morning:

Name            Dates           Hotel           Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince     7/17-7/18       none yet        72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea     7/17-7/18       none yet        70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith     7/14-7/19       Crowne Plaza    none
Chris Casteel   7/17            Comfort Inn     none
Peg O'Connor    7/14-7/19       Holiday Inn     none
Brent Ardo	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	72 CS conv.
Chris Smetana	7/15-7/18	Days Inn	69 S W-31
Jim McKeague	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	70 W-31 &
						70 Rallye 350
Everett Horton	7/14-7/19	Campground	61 Starfire
Kurt & Rose	7/15-7/17	Holiday Inn	90 Trofeo
Leigh Tenenholtz7/15-7/19	Crowne Plaza	68 CS conv.
Ken Brooks	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	69 Hurst
Jeff		7/15-7/17	hotel-hopping	none
Jack Bazur	7/16-7/18			none
Dan Williams	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	68 442 conv.
Bill Reilly	7/16-7/17	Crowne Plaza	83 Cutlass Ciera

8)
peg
peg@grove.ufl.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:53:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Peter Flinkfelt wrote:
> YOu should have come to Rhode Island, there are 5 that I know of in my
> hometown of Pawtucket. I am restoring/ pro streeting a 71 now and I know of a
> body shop restoring a 442, not sure of the year.

Hehehe... I *was* in Rhode Island, and Pawtucket in fact was where I got
the directions that got me lost. I guess I was too busy looking for
nonexistent road signs to see any cars... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:12:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Black inner fender restoration

On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Kerry Kroger wrote:
> sand the entire fender well with 400 grit wet with dish soap (something like
> dawn) then paint them with krylon satin black. if they are in basically good
> shape just clean them with tire foam

I would avoid painting them unless as a last resort. When you say they
are faded, do you mean they are turning a chalky white? I have seen good
results by giving clean ones a good dose of ArmorAll and letting it soak
in overnight. In fact several applications may be required. When it is
finally rubbed off they have a nice sheen that painting cannot quite
match. But paint may be your only option if they are too far gone to
respond to this.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:20:19 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: '57 or '58 was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc

I wrote:

Anyway this picture shows the firewall in detail and
the vent grills in front of the windshield.

Paul Hartlieb mailto:plh@nbn.net replied:

OK, study this photo closely.  The '57 cowl vent grill is full length
and is relatively flat.  The '58 grill is divided in the middle and is
kind of raised toward the back, sort of like a scoop.  Understand what I
mean?

=====

Thanks Paul!

The cowl vent grill is divided and raised as you describe.  So that makes
it a '58.  Guess my memory of it being two tone was that it had a white
roof.

Now... a final detail.

Do you think there is a way to tell from my photo whether it is Dynamic 88
or a Super 88?  I'm assuming the Super 88 had some extra options and
thought maybe a sign of one of them would show up in the engine compartment.

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:24:52 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: good morning list ...........

Good morning list.............

        I went to buy B.F. Goodrich T/A's but had to get Dunlop's......
I was told that the T/A's were on national backorder - anyone else hear
this - Maybe just the size I wanted 235/60-15    265/50-15

            Tanks
            The General

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: daren hendley <dynamic88@rocketmail.com>
Subject: R12/R134a Experience

 Yah I'm still kinda sorta around on the digest not real time. Anyway,
two years ago I had the a/c fixed in my truck for $250 dollars. It
worked great for about a week and a half. The following spring ('97) I
had it switched over to R134a and had all of the seals replaced cost
$80. Not even close to being as cold. If I had it to do over again I'd
go with R12. This is one time that "You get what you pay for" holds
true. Considering the cost of R12 I'd replace at least the compressor,
all seals and the drier (and the hoses if they have any cracks). In
the long run you will be happier with R12.

Daren
daren@revealed.net
'48 Dynamic Series 78 4dr. Sedan
'65 Dynamic 88 Holiday Coupe
'82 Cutlass Supreme    parts car for sale $100
'89 GMC C1500 ext. cab long bed now V8 powered
'93 Grand am (Grand ma)
'89 4.3 V6 for sale $75 runs but needs a ring job
For a response on the for sale item email me not the list.


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:37:32 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: '77-'79 Delta Remote Mirror

I got mine from my olds dealer. (superior olds in Summit NJ tel# 908 273 -3860
ask for Jeff)
Hope this helps
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:46:59 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters

In a message dated 98-07-07 20:16:08 EDT, you write:

<< In fact, I am not really sure why shimming the starter would give better
 starting. >>

I just replaced the starter in my 75 Delta. The old starter had a shim, but I
remember someone telling me that shims were not necessary for my car. I
decided not to replace the shim on the new starter. So far, it works
perfectly.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:56:15 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the blower
is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work can I
do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
then me.

By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to a
big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want revenge
on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:24:32 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Timing Question

    I have just finished putting my 455 back together again and was
wondering what
timing everyone out there is using.  I have used 14 through 18 degrees
as initial and 36 for total advance.  The big question I have is at what
rpm's are we checking these.  The car has a Comp Cams 292 cam in it,
forged pistons and is a 4-speed.  Thanks in advance.

- - -
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:29:48 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Need 67 Parts

Hi Guys;
       I was hoping that someone out there has a couple of parts that I need 
for
my 67 442: Drivers Door liner Black C\S Front Bumper support(bolts from the
latch to the center of the bumper Battery tray

Also,if it helps,I have a 67 post cutlass that I am parting out.       Thank 
You
please reply Tony

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:32:52 EDT
From: <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap

In a message dated 98-07-07 20:55:36 EDT, David Ritter wrote:

<< I bought a 1957 88 a few weeks ago, and just found this list yesterday.
The
 88 is a good driver; the only problem seems to be some noise from the rear
 end. I want to take my center section out and swap in another carrier
 assembly to keep driving it. >>

The dual driveshafts are a balanced assembly that must be set up properly with
the trans and rear end for true balance. You may try rotating the front u-
joint 180 degrees at the trans. If during service the shaft is rotated 180
from the balanced position, you may experience a vibration that may appear to
be coming from the rear end. Historically the 57 rear ends are solid units,
able to withstand substantial amounts of tourque. They were a favorite for hot
rod builders during the 60's & 70's.

You may check the 57 shop manual for a more detailed diagnosis. It give
specifics on the setup. Both driveshafts must be mated properly for optimum
performance.
You might also check the center support and bearing unit.

Good Luck,

Randy in Okla
57 88 J2

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:44:50 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

Paul, thanks for the history lesson.  I was not sure if there was anything to
the series numbers or not, just some foggy memmories of similar series numbers
being used within GM.  I asked the question hoping someone could clarify the
issue for all of us.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:24:52 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Black inner fender restoration

well this is what i do to them, i get some enamel reducer and a scotch brite
pad and clean them thoughly,  the enamel reducer removes the dead oxidized
surface and leaves fresh new look.  one one set i even re-dyed (RED!)  for a
w-30 i was working on.   i used    an auto vyinl dye called SEMS,  i got it at
a local paint store. they looked great!  had several people ask me were i got
the new liners at.   alot cheaper than the 400$ repos on the market now a
days.  hope this helps, steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:32:00 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two

Just curious, but, have you tried or looked into any of the Eldebrock
Aluminum heads? Perhaps you already have them, came in late to this
question sorry.

> From:           "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To:             'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject:        Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
> Date sent:      Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:56:15 -0500
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the blower
> is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work can I
> do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
> horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
> then me.
>
> By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to a
> big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want revenge
> on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.
>
>
> ===========================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> 1971 Cutlass S 455
> Westside! Chitown IL
> ===========================
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:35:36 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Black inner fender restoration

true enough but I have gotten excellent results with the paint also the tire
foam does wonders toward cleaning and conditioning
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: Black inner fender restoration


>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Kerry Kroger wrote:
>> sand the entire fender well with 400 grit wet with dish soap (something
like
>> dawn) then paint them with krylon satin black. if they are in basically
good
>> shape just clean them with tire foam
>
>I would avoid painting them unless as a last resort. When you say they
>are faded, do you mean they are turning a chalky white? I have seen good
>results by giving clean ones a good dose of ArmorAll and letting it soak
>in overnight. In fact several applications may be required. When it is
>finally rubbed off they have a nice sheen that painting cannot quite
>match. But paint may be your only option if they are too far gone to
>respond to this.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:59:07 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two

I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock heads on a 455 for my '72.  Lynn at
Mondello says that if they do a little extra porting and put in their
posi-flow valves you'll pick an extra 70 horses.  What I don't have any
data on is what the Edelbrock heads out of the box would do for horsepower
improvement.  Plus I have no experience with Mondello other than many
people rave about him (them).  Either way the savings in weight with the
aluminum heads is attractive.

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

=================================

>Just curious, but, have you tried or looked into any of the Eldebrock
>Aluminum heads? Perhaps you already have them, came in late to this
>question sorry.
>
>> From:           "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
>> To:             'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Subject:        Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
>> Date sent:      Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:56:15 -0500
>> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>> OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the blower
>> is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work can I
>> do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
>> horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
>> then me.
>>
>> By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to a
>> big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want revenge
>> on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.
>>
>>
>> ===========================
>> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>> 1971 Cutlass S 455
>> Westside! Chitown IL
>> ===========================
>>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Fax (815) 235-6130
>Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:58:14 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

Olds 493 Stoker....
Need I say more.
What does your beast run??
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible



- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:51 AM
Subject: Nitrous, Blower or head work? Don't want the first two.


>OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the blower
>is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work can
I
>do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
>horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
>then me.
>
>By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to a
>big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want revenge
>on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.
>
>
>===========================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
>===========================

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:08 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters

I have a 330 and a 350 Diesel (for sale), neither needed shimming.
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters


>In a message dated 98-07-07 20:16:08 EDT, you write:
>
><< In fact, I am not really sure why shimming the starter would give better
> starting. >>
>
>I just replaced the starter in my 75 Delta. The old starter had a shim, but
I
>remember someone telling me that shims were not necessary for my car. I
>decided not to replace the shim on the new starter. So far, it works
>perfectly.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:04:37 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Timing Question

I was also in the middle of adjusting my timing, trying different settings.
You need to adjust timing for what you think you are mostly like to be
doing. I've trying different settings for street. And only now have begun
really getting close to the actual timing I want. If you go to the
http://www.442.com/tech.html and look at the Supper tuning section for 350 &
455 engines. It will give you different settings. Basically it asks whether
you want a final advance of 30 or 35 degrees. Accordingly you set your
initial. RPM is also given. Right now I'm running 14 deg. advance at 1100
rpm, initial, which is supposed to yield 30 degrees advance by 4000 rpm.
This is something that I'm still fooling around with. Have you re-curved
your distributor? If not, that's something that you might consider. Gives
you more performance timing capabilities. Good luck.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris & Robin Miller [SMTP:cya442@mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:25 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Timing Question
>
>     I have just finished putting my 455 back together again and was
> wondering what
> timing everyone out there is using.  I have used 14 through 18 degrees
> as initial and 36 for total advance.  The big question I have is at what
> rpm's are we checking these.  The car has a Comp Cams 292 cam in it,
> forged pistons and is a 4-speed.  Thanks in advance.
>
> - -
> Chris Miller
> '68 442
> Tustin, CA
> mailto:cya442@mindspring.com
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:03:48 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Article in MCR=stinks

I think the general rule of thumb is one-tenth for every one hundred lbs.
lost.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:09:11 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

Probably not as fast as your Olds 493.  How did you get it to a 493.

You don't have to say anything, You won anyway

> ----------
> From: 	Brett Wilson[SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:58 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
>
> Olds 493 Stoker....
> Need I say more.
> What does your beast run??
> Brett Wilson
> 67 Cutlass Convertible
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:51 AM
> Subject: Nitrous, Blower or head work? Don't want the first two.
>
>
> >OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the
> blower
> >is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work
> can
> I
> >do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
> >horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
> >then me.
> >
> >By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to a
> >big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want
> revenge
> >on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.
> >
> >
> >===========================
> >Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >1971 Cutlass S 455
> >Westside! Chitown IL
> >===========================
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:08:00 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: OLDS Sales for June

Check out this story from GM. I think this is good news for this list also.


STRONG JUNE SALES BRING MORE GOOD NEWS FOR OLDSMOBILE

http://www.gm.com/mo_pr/mo_pr_dt.htm?id=375
<http://www.gm.com/mo_pr/mo_pr_dt.htm?id=375>


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:23:00 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

Sorry if I was unclear on that 493.
I don't have anything close to 493 cubic inches!!
I have a 330 SB Olds.  In asking how fast your car was, I was trying to see
where you could improve, Mondello sells a stroker kit or should I say tells
how to make a stroker out of your 455.  www.442.com has info on it in the
Tech section I do believe.
I know you may have your feelings hurt (getting beat by a che*y and all),
but don't worry, we have all lost a race or two whether we want to admit it
or not.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Nitrous, Blower or head work? Don't want the first two.


>Probably not as fast as your Olds 493.  How did you get it to a 493.
>
>You don't have to say anything, You won anyway
>
>> ----------
>> From: Brett Wilson[SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
>> Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:58 AM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.
>>
>> Olds 493 Stoker....
>> Need I say more.
>> What does your beast run??
>> Brett Wilson
>> 67 Cutlass Convertible
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
>> To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:51 AM
>> Subject: Nitrous, Blower or head work? Don't want the first two.
>>
>>
>> >OK since putting nitrous on my engine is sort of a bad thing and the
>> blower
>> >is not the answer either.  How about head work. What kind of head work
>> can
>> I
>> >do to produce about a hundred more horses?  I need about that much more
>> >horses to compete with some of the other guys that are a little stronger
>> >then me.
>> >
>> >By the way I also won 9 races and lost only 3.  Two to ch@ys and one to
a
>> >big block buick who ran away from me.  That is the one that I want
>> revenge
>> >on.  One of the ch@vys sprayed me. not worried about him though.
>> >
>> >
>> >===========================
>> >Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>> >Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>> >1971 Cutlass S 455
>> >Westside! Chitown IL
>> >===========================
>>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 08:54:25 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

Brett Wilson wrote:

> but don't worry, we have all lost a race or two whether we want to admit it
> or not.

So true.  Frosty was beat by a Ch*vy Camaro.  I didn't realize he was going to
race me until
it was too late.  She held pretty good though.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:34:47 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two

>I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock heads on a 455 for my '72.  Lynn at
>Mondello says that if they do a little extra porting and put in their
>posi-flow valves you'll pick an extra 70 horses.  What I don't have any
>data on is what the Edelbrock heads out of the box would do for horsepower
>improvement.  Plus I have no experience with Mondello other than many
>people rave about him (them).  Either way the savings in weight with the
>aluminum heads is attractive.
>
>Jonathan Parke
>mailto:jonparke@together.net
>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>
>=================================
>

Between an aluminum intake manifold and heads, how much weight would your 
save?

I'll guess about 50 lbs. for the intake and 100 lbs for the heads...

But wait! There's more!

Aluminum heads will run cooler. This is great for a whole bunch of reasons!


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:39:48 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

>Paul, thanks for the history lesson.  I was not sure if there was anything to
>the series numbers or not, just some foggy memmories of similar series numbers
>being used within GM.  I asked the question hoping someone could clarify the
>issue for all of us.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2

Now SOMEBODY should know this one... At some point (1960's for sure), the
88/98 etc. designations were related to the length of the body. (Maybe this
is just obvious...).


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:47:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Tbarry@webtv.net (Thomas Barriano)
Subject: door trim needed

With all the people on this list, no one
has a door trim for a 66 Dynamic 88 2 dr
convertible?  I know its not a 442 or even a Cutlass, but it is an Olds
:-)

Regards
Thomas

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:47:11 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

In a message dated 7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
todorovb@cadvision.com writes:

<<
 Date:	7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:	todorovb@cadvision.com (Igor) >>
what tires are you putting on front and what type of shocks are you using

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:49:02 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

In a message dated 7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
todorovb@cadvision.com writes:

<<
 Date:	7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
 From:	todorovb@cadvision.com (Igor) >>
weight has never been a prob ffor cars if it was Chevy's Bel Air would have
never been as big as it was

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:52:16 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

hey I've already beaten one monte carlo it was running a 305 with a 4 barrel
it might have had more horse but olds give you all the tourqe you need

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:58:24 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Black inner fender restoration

I would suggest a semi-flat PPG paint with flex additive...The color choice is
up to the owner,but, I would suggest basic ,plain, ORIGINAL black...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two

>I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock heads on a 455 for my '72.  Lynn at
>Mondello says that if they do a little extra porting and put in their
>posi-flow valves you'll pick an extra 70 horses.  What I don't have any
>data on is what the Edelbrock heads out of the box would do for horsepower
>improvement.  Plus I have no experience with Mondello other than many
>people rave about him (them).  Either way the savings in weight with the
>aluminum heads is attractive.

Between an aluminum intake manifold and heads, how much weight would your 
save?

I'll guess about 50 lbs. for the intake and 100 lbs for the heads...

But wait! There's more!

Aluminum heads will run cooler. This is great for a whole bunch of reasons!


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:53:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

>Paul, thanks for the history lesson.  I was not sure if there was anything to
>the series numbers or not, just some foggy memmories of similar series numbers
>being used within GM.  I asked the question hoping someone could clarify the
>issue for all of us.

Now SOMEBODY should know this one... At some point (1960's for sure), the
88/98 etc. designations were related to the length of the body. (Maybe this
is just obvious...).


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:12:57 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: re:  Nitrous, blower, or head work

> but don't worry, we have all lost a race or two whether we want to admit
it
> or not.


Speak for yourself.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:27:51 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, blower, or head work

:)
well amybe just those of us who live in a big city like Austin TX
and race for fun not money.
not to be taken offensively.
:)
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 12:11 PM
Subject: re: Nitrous, blower, or head work


>> but don't worry, we have all lost a race or two whether we want to admit
>it
>> or not.
>
>
>Speak for yourself.
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:40:58 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: another starting problem

If my car is not used for a day, it takes at least four or five trys to start
it. This may be because when I replaced the fuel line from the carb, i had
trouble making all the bends, so I used a rubber fuel line instead. Also,
from the exhaust odor,  the mixture may be too rich.
Any ideas would be much appreciated.
TIA
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:23:01 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 571145 and Shimming Starters

> I just replaced the starter in my 75 Delta. The old starter had a shim, but I
> remember someone telling me that shims were not necessary for my car. I
> decided not to replace the shim on the new starter. So far, it works
> perfectly.

Don't let anyone tell you that you AUTOMATICALLY don't need them.  This
is like asking a street vendor for legal advice.  You have to CHECK to
make sure.  I always do, since my hard earned lesson years back.  Maybe
it does need them, maybe it doesn't.  That's always the gamble.  Most of
the time, I've been able to get away without shims.  Shims are ONLY
required if the clearance is not quite enough to allow smooth engagement
of the starter teeth to flywheel/flexplate.  If you can get away without
shimming, fine, but if you need to, just don't blow it off.  You will be
replacing starters sooner.  Guaranteed.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:23:41 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: G-Body electric window adj

Hey folks,

I'm having a problem in my '87 442, which also occurred in my '84 Calais,
both with power windows, and I suspect is a problem for many cars
without the frame around the door window glass.

At highway speeds (driver's side only) above 40mph the window glass is
sucked (pushed?) out slightly. If you try to raise the window, it gets
caught on the *outside* of the uh, "bumpy thing" at the front of the top
window, and does not shut completely. Lots of air noise, etc. You can
"fix" it by lowering the passenger window slightly which changes the
pressure in the car, and raising the drivers side back up. The problem
does not occur on the passenger side, probably from being used less(?).

Is this an adjustment I can make, or just worn parts that need to be
replaced?

Any suggestions are appreciated...thanks.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:36:08 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe

Oldsmagnet wrote:

> alot, hasn't it?  Used to be 40 meant driving caddy's or lincolns to and from
> bingo.  No more.  Now that numbers closer to 70 or so.

HEY!  Let's don't pick on the Lincoln drivers almost 50 or so!  I've
been driving one of them since 1984 when I was 35.  And it was to
softball games/tournaments not bingo.  One reason I can think of to
drive one is that it is big and holds a lot of stuff for a mobile office
not to mention softball stuff, golf equipment, etc.  Actually the best
reason for driving one is to make my Cutlass rides last longer.  Guess
which one is in the garage and which one sits outside.  Olds inside,
Town Car outside.  I CAN replace the TC, but I don't want to replace my
Oldsmobubbles, just add to them.

> marketting the old way, so I think they're not only missing the boat but
they're > in the wrong damn ocean...  The Pontiac marketting team seems to be 
on
the > ball.  Which is why they're a successful division.   Which is why it'll
probably > be Buick ~and~ Oldsmobile saying farewell. > excuse for not buying
a new Olds.  And give them one more lousy excuse for not > making a 442,
Cutlass, or ~anything~ rear wheel drive.

I would LOVE to buy a new, or reasonably new, 442, but they don't want
to make them.  I'm an accountant by profession, so I understand about
costs, etc, but if your products totally leave their years of heritage,
you (if you will pardon the expression) ain't going nowhere.

> No doubt.  Happy 101st.

While we are soapboxing on the upcoming end of GM product line, I would
like to also kick in another gripe for consideration.  Rumor has it that
GM is also going to kill the f-body shortly.  That means the Firebird
and Camaro will also be gone.  So let's see, they kill Olds, Camaros,
Firebirds and maybe Buick.  What the @$** is next?  Why don't they just
make 2 or 3 models and let Ford and Mopar build the rest of the
domestics?  Let's see.  What can we call it/them?  How about GeMoCo?
Nice, short, doesn't mean a thing and easy to protect against
litigation.  It seems to me GM is more interested in cost reduction than
sells.  Get 5 products, paint them different colors, put different
grilles and taillights on them and call them makes of cars.  Install two
engines, one a V2 that a large jackrabbit can outrun and a V6 that is
slightly faster and your costs are in line and the EPA is happy.  Looks
like the day of the home built hot rod is going to be back again in a
few years if you want anything that 4 million other people don't have.
Then again maybe costs can be cut by making them all the same color
too.  After all, Henry sold a lot of BLACK model T's before GM
(Chevrolet  actually) killed them in the sales area by offering cars
that were colors other than black.  I guess they have forgotten what it
is like to be in the forefront of their industry over the years.  So
what will the people that want an interesting car do after the great
purge?  It would seem the only car left with a little spirit will be the
Vette and other manufacturers' offerings?  Now where did I put that
extra $50,000 I was saving?

Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but these are the miscellaneous
rantings of a person that got up on the wrong side of the bed today.
Besides the thought of Charley having to buy a new Chevy in about 10
years when all the Oldsmobiles run out is a LOT depressing.  BUILD ME A
NEW 442 CONVERTIBLE AND I WILL SEE YOU IN THE SHOWROOM, GM!  The way it
looks right now, I have a beter chance of seeing 101 than Olds does and
I don't think I will make it.  Too much stress and too many
daughters.....

Flame retardant clothing on and force shields in place.  Soapbox back in
the closet.....

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: balancer

the local olds club vp called to see if i had an harmonic balancer for a
394, alas i dont, but i said i would check here.  i dont know what year or
if year makes any diffrence other than pulley groves.  as this is for a
third party, i only know what i was told on my answering machine.  so if
any one has a balancer they would like to part with please e mail me.


TIA

47rocket98

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:33:50 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body electric window adj

> At highway speeds (driver's side only) above 40mph the window glass is
> sucked (pushed?) out slightly. If you try to raise the window, it gets
> caught on the *outside* of the uh, "bumpy thing" at the front of the top
> window, and does not shut completely.


Common problem with well used windows on these cars.  All G-body
frameless windows had this problem.  I JUST replaced the outer window
seal on my 87 Salon, and it minimized that problem.  It soon came back
as the window seal "molded" itself into position.  While I had the door
apart, I tried this very maneuver of trying to "tighten" things up in
there to prevent that problem.  I suppose all the nylon bushings/rollers
in there wear eventually, and there's not much to tighten up.  Haven't
tried the "GM parts" route yet.  It's a LITTLE better, because now it
takes > 50 mph to have the window not close, or I turn off my A/C if
it's on, and this sometimes helps reduce inside pressure enough.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:34:52 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: another starting problem

you may be sucking in air from clamps to the rubber or possibly a hairline
crack in the line. if not then check timing. may be fuel pump problem.


woody3781
70 cutlass
73 delta 88 convertible

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:40:03 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 87 Salon driver's door armrest needed.

Hello all,

The latest window question got me thinking about a part I've been
needing.  I am looking for a tan, or saddle color (interior color code
67) driver's side door armrest pad.  Mine's split out at the bottom,
otherwise, the interior is in very good shape.  Not critical, but it's
one of those little ANNOYING things....  I'd like to find a very good
one if anyone has one.  I think a LOT of G body cars came with this very
pad, believing most had the same lower door panel, but I don't have a
part number handy to verify.  Can anyone help?  Found one in a bone
yard, out of a Monte, but it was in worse shape than mine!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:56:45 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two.

Well since everyone is talking about "this and that beat me" stories, I
might as well tell you guys I got SMOKED by an Eagle Talon on my last trip
to the track on time trials.
    Lights went green, heard something go "chirp" and all of a sudden this
green pea comes flying put of the adjacent lane. All I saw were tail lights,
tail lights, tail lights. Getting smaller too!! (is that an afterburner I
just saw??)
    Found out later about all the little gadgets teh little pea had.
Headers, TO-4 turbo, wastegate..........you name it. This guy must be
hannging out with SAKURA.
    Oh, well. At least it wasn't a Cheby.

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442------> 307 (5A), TH-350, 3.73 gears
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work? Don't want the first two.


>Brett Wilson wrote:
>
>> but don't worry, we have all lost a race or two whether we want to admit
it
>> or not.
>
>So true.  Frosty was beat by a Ch*vy Camaro.  I didn't realize he was going
to
>race me until
>it was too late.  She held pretty good though.

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