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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 10 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1303



All list members
UNBOUNCE: '72 Delta Convert FS
Better Tuneage.
Re: Better Tuneage.
Wanted 1970 Cutlass S
Re: Re: Ciera GT's
Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442
Leaded vs. Unleaded
Re: Springs and Shocks
question - convertable
RE: radio
Re: Ciera GT's
Time to vote
RE: Basic Tech - Silicone and Gas Dont Mix
Re: question - convert able
'87 442 wheels 4sale
Re: Ciera GT's
Re: '87 442 wheels 4sale
10 bolt needed
test
'72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions
Some other questions and recommendations.
Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions
(no subject)
4.10 Gearing
Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions
Re: Some other questions and recommendations.
THM200 Ratios
Hangers
Olds Cutlass Hood Liner
Re: 4.10 Gearing
Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions
Re: Hangers
'71 convertible radio install
UNBOUNCE: ISO '56 Olds Parts
H*lp!!! Need it in a HURRY!!
Re: '87 442 wheels 4sale
RE: gauges..

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:43:36 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: All list members

  One of these days Rowland Graphics is going to buy a new computer.We have
been down since last Sat night. New modem. new hard drive &more memory.
   If any of you have sent me e- mail ,orders  I HOPE or just conversing, we
didn't get it. We ust got back on line last night about 9 pm.
I am still on that prednisone so i only sleep about 3 to 4 hours a night so i
got up & sourced 500 hats for a school fund raiser in Maryland.
  I have seen a couple of e's about photos being lost. No one has sent us
any.I
 have been checking the mail specifically for them.
  I still would like to do a calender for the "list.
  We have several protypes hanging  here in the office. My favorite has two of
our grandchildren standing beside our W-30.( one picture - 12 month) I have
one over this computer with a picture for each month , the pictures being cars
of our MACOCA club members taken last spring at Charlotte Auto Fair. In a few
days i will send out our  price list again but i don't want to inundate the
list today and i want to clear up the last  Jason Doby Project letter,
seperate e-mail.
I had typed as e-mail to send to different parts suppliers aroud the
country.When i sent it to " y'all " , i simply highlighted it .  NOT. I
sincerely apologize to Greg & everyone. Rog II says, dad they all should all
know you by now anyway.
 If i get too personal on here , someone stop me , but you guys are like
family down here. My  8 brothers & sisters are mostly in n.y. Besides my
doctor said -blame everthing you do on the prednisone. He won't even let me
drive yet so what is a guy to do. Barb is going to take me to Farmington ,
n.c. this weekend. BIG---BIG muscle car meet.
  Later , gotta do the Jason doby thing.
  Thanks for indulging me,
Roger

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:53:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '72 Delta Convert FS

Not on the list, respond to rtoubia@ect.enron.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	rtoubia@ect.enron.com
Subject: 1972 Delta 88 CONVERTIBLE for Sale

Hello:

I have a white/black 1972 Delta 88 Convertible for sale.  The car has a
455 engine which was rebuilt 14,000 miles ago.  Car has lots of new
parts and lots of money went into it.  It needs transmission (it is
slipping on 1st) and top. Body good and interior like new.
The car is in Houston, TX
Price: Asking $2,500 obo.
Phone: 713- 942 8268 home
e-mail: rtoubia@ect.enron.com

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:29 +0100
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Better Tuneage.

In going through the nice pile of paperwork the previous owners gave me
I came across a coupon good for a free oil change. The coupon was issued
when this fine car was originally purchased. The dealer is still in
business (at a different location). I wonder if they would honor it. Or
would it be worth more if I didn't use it?
I am still wondering how to install better tuneage. The existing hole in
the dash will not accommodate anything other than the oem radio. The
other possibility is to remove the ashtray assembly and install a new cd
player there. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
Mark Hahn
mahahn@fuse.net

Mark,
	I had to bite the bullet and cut a slot for my cd player for my '73.  
It
was easy, I simply measured the size hole I needed and cut it with a coping
saw.  If you don't want to cut up your insert you might want to get one
from a salvage yard and cut that one.  I wanted it in the original location
and that is why I cut it.  One other possiblity is to get one of the
cassette decks to fit the existing opening with a remote CD player.  Good
Luck.

Jim Brady
73 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Better Tuneage.

On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, James E. Brady III wrote:

> Mark,
> 	I had to bite the bullet and cut a slot for my cd player for my 
'73.  It
> was easy, I simply measured the size hole I needed and cut it with a coping
> saw.  If you don't want to cut up your insert you might want to get one
> from a salvage yard and cut that one.  I wanted it in the original location
> and that is why I cut it.  One other possiblity is to get one of the
> cassette decks to fit the existing opening with a remote CD player.  Good
> Luck.

I disagree - I think on such an old car it's better to leave the OEM
stereo where it is, the look of it is so classic.  I'd hate to ruin the
lines of the dash by putting in some new electronics.

Put the new stereo in the glovebox where it's out of the way.  You won't
have to cut anything except to make room for the wires.  Plus you'll keep
the vintage lines of the OEM, *and* won't get the new one stolen!

_Am

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:42:43 -0400
From: Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com (Blankenship, Mike)
Subject: Wanted 1970 Cutlass S

Anybody on the list know of a decent running and driving 1970 Cutlass S.    
Body
must be nice.  Options really unimportant.  E-mail me privately.

Thanks
Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:09 EDT
From: Allen_R_MONROE@umail.umd.edu (am39)
Subject: Re: Re: Ciera GT's

>Jason said;
>My parents had a 1985 Cutlass Cruiser LS (Ciera-based).  The 3.8L FI engine
>(code 3 I think) was available as an option on the 85 wagons at
>least...probably on the "regular" Ciera's, too (not just the GT).  I have a
>1984 brochure that covers the Ciera and, if memory serves me correctly, the
>fuel-injected V6 wasn't available until 1985, even in the GT model.
>
I have an 84 Ciera with the MPFI 3.8L engine also. You are right it wasn't
listed in the sales brochure. When my Dad bought this car new one test drive
was all it took.


   Allen Monroe
Advanced Laboratories
Department of Physics
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742-4111

Voice===> 301-405-6004
Email===> am39@umail.umd.edu

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:52:29 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442

- - if you don't drive like an absolute maniac you will never notice
the difference.

   And thus the reason why I'm going to put rear discs on my 66...    ;-)

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/)
   70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:18:05 -0700
From: "Elizabeth Katryn Burton" <aunt_bess@mailexcite.com>
Subject: Leaded vs. Unleaded

We drove Lady Esmerelda ('71) from Mansfield in 'way upstate PA near New York 
to
Austin TX, about 1800 miles via Cincinnati, pulling a 5-foot, well-loaded
U-Haul. We got a bit of a ping on the big hills using unleaded premium, but
otherwise she was doing 70 if we weren't watching.

The main difference seemed to be with brand -- she did a lot better on Texaco
than just about anything else. Oh, and we averaged about 14mgp...

Lisa Burton
***
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:30:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Springs and Shocks

>I'm looking for recommendations on where to get springs ... for
>my 68 442. <snipped>


Consider----- Northern Auto Parts Warehouse
                      800.831.0884
                      (Sioux City, IA)

                       About $125 for all 4

Last time I talked to them they said they had them in stock for 1968

Bonne chance

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:18:59 -0400
From: olds@interconti.com
Subject: question - convertable

         To all -

         Again, I just wanted to take advantage of the vast
         expertise there is on this list.  I have a 70 Cutlass
         convertable - the rear of the frame of the top seems to
         be missing something.  It seems to rest right on the
         inside of the quarter panel metal.  It looks as if it
         should be on some sort of hinge.  It opens and closes OK
         but looks a little strange.  If you were to follow the
         frame front to back - this is the furthest back piece
         and is down inside the quarter panel.

         Any help would be great.

         thanks,
         Scott

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:55:00 -0400
From: "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
Subject: RE: radio

     Mark,

     Check out:
     http://www.myclassiccar.com/motormart/customautosound.shtml

     I have never ordered from them but I plan on calling them when my car
     is finished being painted.

     Josh
     67 Cutlass
     425 / TH400


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: radio
Author:  "Mark Hahn" [SMTP:mahahn@fuse.net] at TBSCENTRAL
Date:    6/9/98 11:29 PM


Thanks for your help Chris. I think I have resigned myself to installing
a cassette receiver and add a
cd changer. I visited  Crutchfields web site and found a couple of
Kenwoods and Sonys that will fit
without major alterations. Admittedly this is the more expensive route
to take but I just cant see any
other practical way.
Thanks again,
Mark

'75 delta 88 royale conv

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:08:37 -0400
From: "Mike Coccagna" <mike.coccagna@envirosense.com>
Subject: Re: Ciera GT's

The Ciera GT has its own version of 3.8l v6- listed as an H.O.  From what I
remember, the production numbers were either the same, or a little higher...

I don't think you could get the H.O. 3.8l in the Ciera ES or not (basically
a GT w/o fog lights).  I still see pre-87 Ciera coupes around occasionally.

A prominent memory of the Ciera GT I had ('86 GT coupe, burgundy/ burgundy
leather) was the tire-smoking characteristic that cost me a tranny every
12-20k miles :(  I do miss the cool leather interior and low end torque.
There were things like a front-end bra available when I had mine.

I seem to remember a low production number (something <2000?).  Check with
the Olds History Center for that (info on www.442.com).  If you have more
questions, e-mail me and I'll try to help

Mike
'91 W-40+ Quad442 (replaced '86 Ciera GT Coupe)
'93 W-41 SCX

On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:28:38 -0400 Jason Adcock rocketolds@vt.edu wrote:

  At 04:26 PM 6/9/98 -0400, Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
wrote:
  >
  >In the three weeks I've had my 86 Ciera GT, I've yet to see anything like
  >it on the road.
  >
  >Are there any other two-door Ciera's?  Any other Ciera's have the 3.8L
  >motor?

  My parents had a 1985 Cutlass Cruiser LS (Ciera-based).  The 3.8L FI
engine
  (code 3 I think) was available as an option on the 85 wagons at
  least...probably on the "regular" Ciera's, too (not just the GT

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:14:40 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Time to vote

Hi all,

Its time to vote again

http://151.196.92.129/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html

My dear Frosty is competing against the following:

73 Chubby La-goon-a
72 B*ick GS 350
30 F*rd Model A Coupe
56 Chubby
67 Chubby II N*va SS
76 DJ-5D Postal Jeep (Get real!)
89 Rustang LX

Please vote for my Frosty!  Hint! Hint!

Thanks,
- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: RE: Basic Tech - Silicone and Gas Dont Mix

For those of you who may believe that silicone is the cureall it is not.
Gasoline will dissolve silicone very quickly thus do not use silicone
where it will be in contact with gasoline. (Ahhh, the voice of
experience, the best teacher but not the cheapest):-)

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:21:57 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: question - convert able

Scott,

On a '70 Cutlass convertible , the rear bow is not attached to sheet metal.
It is attached to the top frame at the hinge plates with one bolt on either
side. The bolts have a shoulder (correct term?) which *hinge* the front of
the bow and allow the back to raise and lower. When the top is up, the
fabric holds the bow in tension against the sheet metal around the back of
the top boot. When the top is down the bow can move down to accommodate the
glass rear window. If the rear bow on your top is flopping free, it is
definitely missing one if not both bolts. It is not uncommon for top bolts
to vibrate loose and fall out.

Good Luck,
Ray
'70 Cutlass Conv.
'70 442 Conv.

At 11:18 AM 6/10/98 -0400, Scott wrote:
>         ...I have a 70 Cutlass
>         convertable - the rear of the frame of the top seems to
>         be missing something...

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:05:32 -0700
From: "Joe Carey" <jcatgktw@email.msn.com>
Subject: '87 442 wheels 4sale

A few weeks ago I purchased 4 new tires and the rookie at the shop bent one
of my precious wheels.  After playing phone tag and reaching an agreement
with the management they agreed to purchase a new wheel for me.  Of course
you cannot find these wheels anyway but it was worth a shot.  I have not
been contacted by the management about the next step they will offer, but I
may be selling the 3 good wheels in the next week or so.  I will be
entertaining offers on all three or each wheel.  Please contact me via
private e-mail.  jcatgktw@email.msn.com   Specs.

3 wheels for 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 442
chrome with gold painted center and maybe the center caps.  (depends on the
replacement wheels I get)
I will make arrangements to get pictures to any one interested.

If any one has a wheel in excellent condition they want to let go of I would
prefer to keep my factory equipment.  BUT OF COURSE!

thanks,
Joe Carey
Baltimore MD
87 442

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Ciera GT's

On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Mike Coccagna wrote:

> A prominent memory of the Ciera GT I had ('86 GT coupe, burgundy/ burgundy
> leather) was the tire-smoking characteristic that cost me a tranny every
> 12-20k miles :(  I do miss the cool leather interior and low end torque.
> There were things like a front-end bra available when I had mine.

I've got it in black with the burgendy leather.  Very nice.  Except for
a bit of wear on the drivers seat it's all in mint condition.

Yeah, I can see problems with the tranny comming up now.  It's having a
bit of trouble going into second.  But damn, it surprised me when I could
spin the front wheels, even with new rubber.  The expression on people's
faces is almost worth the new tranny!

I'll have to look into a bra - the front end is the worst thing about this
car, it looks exactly like every other Ciera!

_Am

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:07:31 -0400
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: '87 442 wheels 4sale

Joe Carey wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I purchased 4 new tires and the rookie at the shop bent one
> of my precious wheels.  After playing phone tag and reaching an agreement
> with the management they agreed to purchase a new wheel for me.  Of course
> you cannot find these wheels anyway but it was worth a shot.  I have not
> been contacted by the management about the next step they will offer, but I
> may be selling the 3 good wheels in the next week or so.  I will be
> entertaining offers on all three or each wheel.  Please contact me via
> private e-mail.  jcatgktw@email.msn.com   Specs.
>
> 3 wheels for 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 442
> chrome with gold painted center and maybe the center caps.  (depends on the
> replacement wheels I get)
> I will make arrangements to get pictures to any one interested.
>
> If any one has a wheel in excellent condition they want to let go of I would
> prefer to keep my factory equipment.  BUT OF COURSE!
>
> thanks,
> Joe Carey
> Baltimore MD
> 87 442

- ----------

Joe,

Before you do anything drastic, like getting rid of your
three......e-mail me. At last check, I know the location of two (2),
new, still in boxes.

Let me know !

- --

Bill !

1986 Cutlass 442 "The Perfect 10"             _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34		     |_|         |_|   
|_______|

		* * * * * * * * *
		* COMING  SOON * --------> www.3STICKS.com
		* * * * * * * * *

	http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 5/5/98)

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:25:30 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: 10 bolt needed

I desperately need a 10-bolt rear-end for my car.
The gears I need are  3.55:1 or very close .
Standard width.
any help would be appreciated

Brett
67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:57:36 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: test

Test

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:18:31 -0600
From: "Litke, David" <Litke.David@tci.com>
Subject: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions

	I have several questions regarding the oldsmobiles that we have.
Could someone tell me why the 350 4 bbl on my 72 is rated at 180 HP (a
pretty zippy 180 HP too), and in 69 the 350 4bbl was rated at 310 or 325.  I
heard someone say that they changed the way that they rated engines.
	I would also like to know if there is a difference in the
transmission that was put on the '73 98 Regency and the one in my Cutlass,
why is the '98  not as quick as my Cutlass,  I'm sure it is not just the
weight since it has a 455.  Please enlighten me.

David Litke
TCI Enterprise Support
'73 98
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:39:40 -0600
From: "Litke, David" <Litke.David@tci.com>
Subject: Some other questions and recommendations.

	Is there any recommendations that I can get for what type of
Electronic ignition to get fur my Cutlass if I want mostly better gas
mileage and more performance but not for racing, just want to keep up with
traffic and any viper that wants to race :)  I would also like to know what
anyone recommends for a brand of headers, and mufflers,  I would like it to
be a little louder than the 26 year old stock muffler, but not so loud I
can't have aconversation.
	What are the differences between the Cutlass supreme and the 442
besides the manual transmission, bucket seats, emblems, and other cosmetics?


litke.david@tci.com
'72 Cutlass Supreme
'73 98 Regency

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:43:30 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions

David Litke asked:

...Could someone tell me why the 350 4 bbl on my 72 is rated at 180 HP (a
pretty zippy 180 HP too), and in 69 the 350 4bbl was rated at 310 or 325.
I
heard someone say that they changed the way that they rated engines.

    That's correct, though the switch from gross to net horsepower ratings
    is only one of several factors in the reduced HP.  Up through the 1970
    model year, Detroit rated their engines at what was known as gross
    horsepower.  The engine was mounted on a dyno and run with low
    restriction air cleaner and exhaust and no accessories (i.e. no
    alternator, PS pump, etc.  In 1971, primarily for truth in advertising,
    automakers were required to quote net horsepower.  This was measured
    with the engine in more of a production configuration, including a
    production air cleaner, exhaust, and accessories.  Since 71 was a
    transition year, most automakers published both sets of numbers (gross
    and net), while from 72 on, only the net has been available.

    As I noted, there were other things going on at the time.  Keep in mind
    that this was the start of the great emissions control push, which
    included the need for cars to run on low-lead or no-lead gasoline.  As
    a result, compression ratios were dropped across the board from 10:1 or
    more to numbers more like 8.5:1.  Cams as a rule were made less radical
    and carbs were jetted less for performance and more for emissions.
    Note too that the 71-72 model years saw the end of virtually all of the
    great musclecar engines, with the exception of the Pontiac 455SD.  It
    wasn't until the advent of computer controls that Detroit has been able
    to extract the kind of HP they got in the late 60s.  If you think about
    it, a new LS1, which gets something like 345 net HP out of 345 cu in
    with pushrods and two valves per cylinder, while getting 25 mpg and
    meeting all the emissions requirements for 100,000 miles without
    requiring a tuneup, is pretty darn impressive.

...I would also like to know if there is a difference in the
transmission that was put on the '73 98 Regency and the one in my Cutlass,
why is the '98  not as quick as my Cutlass,  I'm sure it is not just the
weight since it has a 455.  Please enlighten me.

    The transmissions _are_ different, with the Cutlass likely having a
    Turbohydro 350 and the 98 having a TH400, however that alone does not
    explain the performance difference.  Other things to consider are the
    weight difference (which likely _is_ significant), the rear end gear
    ratio, and the fact that in 1973 EGR was required, resulting in even
    less performance.

    Joe Padavano
    padavano.joe@orbital.com

    66 442
    68 W-30
    69 H/O
    70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:49:32 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: (no subject)

UNSUBSCRIBE (please)

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:58:18 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: 4.10 Gearing

Anybody from the chicago land area saleing a 4.10 gear for an 8.5 rearend?

Also is there anyone out there who changed from a 3.42 and went to a 4.10.
What are the reselts?  Are they possitive or negitive.


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:03:47 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions

David,
In 1972 the horsepower was a net rating and not a gross rating as before.
If I remember this right, A net hp rating is taken from the trans tailshaft
with all of the accessories working.

A 1971 350 4 barrel has a gross rating of 260hp @4600 rpm. This should be
about the same as your 72 because 71 and 72 both have 8.5:1 cr, whereas
your 69 has 10.25:1 or 10.5:1cr.

As far as your second question, how much heavier is the 98 and and what
gears are you running? Both of these factors will make a difference. I
think the trans should be identical if both cars have the same trans in
them. Unless the torque converters have different stall ratings.

Hope this helps,
Randy

  Could someone tell me why the 350 4 bbl on my 72 is rated at 180 HP (a
> pretty zippy 180 HP too), and in 69 the 350 4bbl was rated at 310 or 325.
 I
> heard someone say that they changed the way that they rated engines.
> 	I would also like to know if there is a difference in the
> transmission that was put on the '73 98 Regency and the one in my
Cutlass,
> why is the '98  not as quick as my Cutlass,
>
> David Litke
> TCI Enterprise Support
> '73 98
> '72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:39:00 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Some other questions and recommendations.

David Litke asked:

Is there any recommendations that I can get for what type of
Electronic ignition to get fur my Cutlass if I want mostly better gas
mileage and more performance but not for racing...

    General consenus on the list is to just get a junkyard HEI from a later
    Olds (any non-computer controlled Olds motor will work; big and small
    blocks use the same distributor).  See the FAQ for conversion info.

I would also like to know what anyone recommends for a brand of headers,
and mufflers,  I would like it to be a little louder than the 26 year old
stock muffler, but not so loud I
can't have aconversation.

    For mufflers, I really like Walker Dynomax Turbos.  Many on the list
    swear by Flowmasters, but they are a little too loud for my taste to
    live with daily.  The Walkers will give a nice, authoratative sound but
    won't rattle your teeth.

    For headers, I'd spend the money and get Hookers.

 What are the differences between the Cutlass supreme and the 442
 besides the manual transmission, bucket seats, emblems, and other
 cosmetics?

    At great personal risk, given my recent screw-up ;-) I'll take a shot
    at this one.  The 70-72 Cutlass Supreme two doors were built in two
    body styles, the "57" notchback and the "67" convertible (these numbers
    refer to the body style designator in the VIN).

    The 442s of those years typically used the fastback body style, either
    the "77" Sport Coupe (with B-pillars) or the "87" Holiday Coupe (a true
    hardtop).  In addition, the 442 convertibles were built on the same
    "67" platform as the Supreme convertibles in those years.

    In 70 and 71, the Supreme and 442 were separate model lines, with
    unique VINs.  All Supreme VINs started with 342... (i.e., a 1970
    Supreme convertible would have a VIN starting 342670..., where the 3
    indicates Olds division, the 42 designates the Supreme model line, the
    67 for convertible, and the 0 for 1970).  A 1970 442 convertible, on
    the other hand, would have a VIN starting with 344670..., where the 44
    designated the 442 model line.

    It gets a little more complicated in 72, as GM changed their VIN
    structure, using letters for the models instead of numbers and adding a
    letter to the VIN designating the specific engine originally installed
    in the car.  More importantly, the 442 was demoted from a separate
    model line to an appearance and handling package available on four
    specific body styles in the Cutlass line.  The first three were Cutlass
    and Cutlass S two doors, but the fourth was the Supreme convertible.
    (Frequent readers will note that I haven't learned my lesson yet!)
    Unlike prior years, these 442s did not even come with the 442 logo on
    the glove box!  Even worse, base engine was now a single exhaust 350
    (though a 455 with the cutout back bumper and even a W-30 were
    available options).  The one advantage to all this is that for the
    first time it was possible to document a car as an original W-30 by
    looking for the "X" engine designator in the VIN.

    I hope all this info helps.

    Joe Padavano
    padavano.joe@orbital.com

    66 442
    68 W-30
    69 H/O
    70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:49:37 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: THM200 Ratios

Message text written by Jason Adcock
>..Ahhh....leave it to the good man Steve to fill me in!  :-)<

Yes, but I still haven't found the gear ratios for the 200C yet.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8          '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:51:22 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hangers

Message text written by Jason
>Does this mean that they're no longer available from GM?  I was planning
to
purchase a complete factory dual exhaust setup for my 1984, but I would
need the hangers, too.  If they're not still available, I might
re-consider<

They are still available.  Just bought a set for mine about a month ago.
Dont think they were too expensive,  $12 and $18??


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8          '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:54:47 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Olds Cutlass Hood Liner

Message text written by Angel
>A friend of mine recently bought one for his '87 Grand National (original)
from our local GM dealer (Simpson Olds/Buick in Downey, Ca).... I asked
if they had one for my '86 442, and the guy said yeah.... It cost him about
$100....<

I just bought one for my 1987 and it was $23.   The GN has a special one
with a logo on it, the 442 just uses the standard Cutlass liner

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8          '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:05:29 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

I have 3.42 gears in my car with 235-60R14 (about 25.5 inches tall) tires.
With the close ratio 4 speed , W-30 cam, and a single plane intake the car is
a little cumbersome  for city driving and I would like to switch to 4.10
gears.  If I did switch I would go with a taller street tire (around 28
inches) because my current tires would have the engine turning well over 3000
rpm at 60mph.  I had a set of 4.10s in another car once.  I used 26 inch tall
slicks at the strip and 28 inch tall tires (255-70R15) on the street.  I had
the best of both worlds or as close as I could get.  You have to decide what
you want the most, easy cruising or performance.  Of course with the 4.10s you
can select tires that put your engine in your rpm range of choice, the 3.42s
limit you somewhat.

My $.02
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:07:24 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme and '73 98 questions

David,
     If you are running THM 350 vs 400, the gear rations in the trans
themselves are different. On top of that, the power needed to turn the thm400
is more than that required to turn the 350. The THM 400 was originally
designed to handle 400 lbs-ft of torque, therefore the 400 designation. The
350 was designed for 350 lbs-ft.
     Application and engine size usually dictated what transmissions were used
in what car. Torque converter stall speed would likewise be different
depending on the application...hope this helps a little...

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:17:25 -0400
From: "Mike R." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Hangers

> They are still available.  Just bought a set for mine about a month ago.
> Dont think they were too expensive,  $12 and $18??

Nope, fraid not.  Been DISCOED!  I don't know why, but the number still
shows up as good, I ordered them, came back as discontinued.  And when
you call the GM "tracks" line, both numbers list discontinued.

That's the way it goes in the GM parts business.....here today,
gonesville tomorrow.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:35:40 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: '71 convertible radio install

The approach I took for my '71 cutlass convertible:

CD headunit with removable face:  I remove the face and lock in my
glovebox.  Nobody wants to take a pullout or face out onto the beach
with them, do they?

Dual 4" speakers in the front dash where the 4x10 used to be: Can't
steal those without taking the car apart (really apart) and they are
really hidden.

61/2" in the lower/rear doors:  In the carpet where they are hard to
see, gives some rear fill sound with top down.  Also, easier to
replace black carpet than white vinyl if you want to go back to
factory stock.

6x9's in top well:  with the top up, major sound, and quite hidden.
With top down, they're useless.

two amps mounted in trunk (50x4 for the 4's and 61/2's, and a 50x2 for
the 6x9's)  The 6x9's are wired to a switch so I can turn them off
with the top is down.

so, 300 watts RMS, CD player, and it's all pretty hidden and nearly
theft proof.  Did cost $1300 doing myself though.

- -greg

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:33:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO '56 Olds Parts

Not on the list, respond to jlaroche@together.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Jeanne Laroche" <jlaroche@together.net>
Subject: Gas Pedal 56 Olds

Hi, New to this web page, very interesting.  We have just finished
restoring a 56 Olds 4 door sedan.  We have no gas pedal, can anyone help.
Also looking an original radio for the 56, and does anyone works on the
clocks for that year.  Please help if you can

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:13 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: H*lp!!! Need it in a HURRY!!

H*lp!!  I was taking my distributor out when I heard the silver rod that is on
the bottom of the distributor fall into my oil pan. The engine is on a stand
and I had just finished putting in my oil pan and timing cover gaskets. I
guess I am going to have to drop the oil pan and get the rod out. My question
is WHY WOULD THAT ROD FALL INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE OIL PAN? Is there something
I did wrong with the distributor? There is a round spring about the size of a
silver dollar. What is the spring for, and does it belong on my distributor?
Is there a way that I can prevent the rod dropping into the oil pan again? In
a way, I am lucky that the engine is still on the stand, but boy I sure don't
want to have to put new gaskets on again :(  Can someone please H*LP?

The list members have been a great source of information for me. I mentioned
before I am restoring a 70 Rallye350 and I'm a real novice when it comes to
this stuff! Hopefully somebody can bail me out again!

Thanks,
Jim McKeague
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html</A>

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:33:40 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '87 442 wheels 4sale

........the rookie at the shop bent one of my precious wheels.  After
playing phone tag and reaching an agreement with the management they
agreed to purchase a new wheel for me.  Of course you cannot find these
wheels anyway but it was worth a shot.

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Have you tried sending it to Stockton Wheel?  I've read that they can
fix or rebuild almost any wheel.

Stockton wheel
648 W. Freemont
Stockton,CA 95203
209-464-7771
sales@stocktonwheel.com


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:16:13 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: gauges..

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