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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, July 19 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1376



Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
How much$ for bushing replacement
Single - Dual M/C Swapping....and future inactivity
UNBOUNCE: Modified '67 Cutlass FS in California
Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad
87 442 how much is it worth?
vin???
Re: 87 442 how much is it worth?
Re: Fired the 455 (was: Break-in procedure)
Drag racing tips needed.
Re: How much$ for bushing replacement
10-bolt Questions!!!!!
Re: 87 442 how much is it worth?
Re: Drag racing tips needed.
'87 442 how much is it worth?
Torque Converter ID
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Re: Fired the 455
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: Drag racing tips needed.
Re: How much$ for bushing replacement
Power Brakes
Re: Drag racing tips needed.
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1375
Re: '87 442 how much is it worth?
Re: Torque Converter ID
Re: Power Brakes
85 tornado
Paging Greg Pruett
Re: 87 442 how much is it worth? solution!
Re: '87 442 how much is it worth?
Re: Drag racing tips needed.
Anyone speak German?
Mail From Chris B. Witt
Re: Anyone speak German?
Rocket Talk
Dextron III in TH400
Re: Dextron III in TH400
German
Re: Dextron III in TH400
Re: Fired the 455
It's not German!
Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: Anyone speak German?
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1375
Car Show Adventures...
show in CT
Car Show Humor was: Car Show Adventures...
Re: Wanted: '87 442 stripes
Re: show in CT
Re: show in CT
Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: show in CT
cars for sale

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:08:20 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

>stockton wheel has a website with pictures and a mini cataloge. i dont
>remember the address,i got it from searching on dogpile, i think it was
>www.stocktonwheel.com

Yup. Pretty weak site tho. Not enough pics.

drc

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:22:04 EDT
From: <Cutconvt69@aol.com>
Subject: How much$ for bushing replacement

How much should one expect to pay to have the bushings replaced on my 69
Cutlass S? I have a friend who has a shop, also one who works out of his
garage, and am trying to figure out what it should cost to have at least the
front bushings replaced. The back look like a job I could possibly handle.
Also is the polygraphite from PST a set I would want. Not a racer just looking
to put some handling back into a 150K + machine. Any other mightaswells that
should be done at the same time to help my handling situation?
Thanks for your help
Mike W

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:26:23 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Single - Dual M/C Swapping....and future inactivity

OK
My mechs are checking out Soylent now....
But it sounds like the reman. M/C is leaking past the piston.

I would prefer to stay "correct", but the dailt driver has to be
reliable..so....

I *may* go to a dual reservoir M/C.

I would like to hear from those of you who have done this swap.

In particular, what modern style M/C will bolt onto the 1965 Bendix type power
booster?

A part # would be wonderful.

___________subject_separator___________:-)}

And also, if today's visit to the mechs doesnt hurt me too much, I may be
repartitioning my hard drive today or tomorrow.
As such I may not be reachable for a day or so when it happens.

I have discovered the reason for some, if not all the problems that I have
been having-MS DOS compatability mode in all drives.
What this means is that the motherboard drivers are not properly loaded on
"the Maelstrom" (another project intensive object).
Recent attempts to install have been unsuccessful.

Tech support for my motherboard say I gotta repartition the drive.
So I will be backing up my files today and tomorrow.
Mebbe invest in a ZIP drive.....
And I gotsa get a CDROM of Win95 (NOT Win98!)

But this is non-Olds and should be replied to privately.

Thanks in advance!
KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:37:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Modified '67 Cutlass FS in California

Not on the list; reply to hwgmktg@sonic.net if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Richard White <hwgmktg@sonic.net>
>
> Hi, I have a problem.  I recently purchased a 1967 Old. Cutlass.  The
> car has been warmed up considerably and was not registered from 1992
> until now.  My problem is that I have just been diagnosed with
> congestive heart failure and I don't have the energy to finish what has
> been started.  The car has 6,000 miles on a professionaly built 400 ci.
> motor, Edlebrock manifold, 750 Holley, crane cam, headers, and more.  It
> is backed by a Turbo 400 with a B & M shift improver kit, and shifted
> with a racheted shifter.  The rear end is the weak point and has to be
> replaced.  My 17 year old daughter and I have driven the Car 300 miles
> since we got it and I'm afraid I have damaged the rear end showing off.
> The car sits on new air shocks in the back, and rides on American Mags
> 15 x 8 fronts with old TA's and 15 x 10's in the rear.
>
> The interior is all new.  Aluminum dash panel with VDO guages, no
> stereo.  Car is Corvette Yellow, interior is black.  Car shows rust
> above the windshield and below the rear window.  It will need repainting
> and resealing.  For the right person this would be a great project.
>
> I need to sell the car.  It is in Calistoga Ca., covered outside and
> will need to be trailered home.  I am asking $6,000 for car but I am
> open to offers.  Any help will be deeply appreciated.  You can email me
> at this address or call me at (707) 431-4445.  Thanks Rich White

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:38:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad

On Mon, 4 Jan 1988, Brad Nicholson wrote:
> OCA CEO & Journey with Olds editor Penny Casteele resigned by letter at
> the OCA Board meeting on Thursday.

I'm sorry to hear this. I have always found Penny to be excellent. Please
pass on any info as it comes forward.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:52:15 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: 87 442 how much is it worth?

Hey guys & gals, need your help. Looked at a 1987 442 today needs the
following:
passenger front fender & door
all engine gaskets (leaks oil like my 68 442 eats gas)
header pannel, grill
front turn signal lenses & front bumper and rear lenses(both)
headliner & shift nob & no radio
car has 160000 miles (southern car)
runs alright 307 roller motor(has a rough idle, needs carb rebuilt)
interior all there just dirty and a mess
t-tops, rims and all other options too
has minor body rust (mostly surface, 1 small hole)
car is black and silver(needs a paint job, rock chips) with silver/light blue
interior
guy want$2000. help me out here. is it worth it?
Thanks Chris

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:01:39 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: vin???

god morning gang

I was wondering if you could help me witt this vin that i lifted of my engine
before i trew it in, it seems to me that i am missing somme numbers but i coul
not find any more. the vin is: 39m44581 3 i gues is olds. 9 is 1969 M is the
plant(lansing i think) and the last 5 are the sekvens number. Am I right? but
witch car did it come frome???

TIA
        T-J P.

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:21:16 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: 87 442 how much is it worth?

Chris,

Initially, I'd say....maybe.

Does it have the factory chrome SSIII rims? If not, I'd be careful.
The sheet metal you will be looking for is not too hard to find, but
some of the other parts are getting harder to find. Not impossible,
just harder.

Try following this link and add the options of the car you're looking
at.

http://www.kbb.com/cgi-bin/cgi.exe?kbb+yr:1987+mk:56+ucr+gmd

Figure out what it will cost to replace/paint/repair everything that is
wrong with it. Add the $2000 purchase price and see what you
come up with. If you're comfortable with the final price...go for it.

FYI, the original interior on 442s is Medium Dark Gray.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Fired the 455 (was: Break-in procedure)

Way To Go!! When I first fired mine with 3 inch exhaust the entire house
shook and neighbors from 3 blocks away came tocomplain. Guess I should
have waited for daylight  :-)

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:34:23 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Drag racing tips needed.

Hey everyone...

I'm being shamed into taking my '87 442 to a local Test & Tune
night at a local 1/4 mile track.

The car (right now) is completely original. I do have plans for
the (light duty) Hypertech chip, and B & M shift kit.

I've never been in a "formal" timed race, and really don't have
any idea of how to get the most out of a run. Should the engine
temp be warm/cold, RPM range, etc.

Anybody with experience or knowledge that would prepare me
would be greatly appreciated. Also tips for keeping the car
(and driver) intact would be helpful.

I already have a calendar to record my speed <g>

Thanks,

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:44:04 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: How much$ for bushing replacement

Cutconvt69@aol.com wrote:
>
> How much should one expect to pay to have the bushings replaced on my 69
> Cutlass S? I have a friend who has a shop, also one who works out of his
> garage, and am trying to figure out what it should cost to have at least the
> front bushings replaced. The back look like a job I could possibly handle.
> Also is the polygraphite from PST a set I would want. Not a racer just 
looking

Mike,

	Yesterday, I was quoted by our trusted mechanic somewhere in the $500
range to have hime replace all the front bushings and such with a PST
Polygraphite€ kit. I decided that I was going to wait 'til next summer
to do that.

- --
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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:48:28 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 10-bolt Questions!!!!!

How many axle slpines do these have?

I need to know because my baby will be out soon and broken in, and I
want to put a gear and posi in her. The reason I ask is because Auburn
and Richmond advertise gears for 70-76 F85 with 30 splines, but Auburn's
posi for 30 splines says 1989-Present, while the one for 28 splines says
1988 & Prior. I'M CONFUSED!!!!!!! PLEASE H*LP!!!!
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mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:40:45 -0700
From: "Kaye K" <lkgk@anv.net>
Subject: Re: 87 442 how much is it worth?

Unless the price comes down you should keep looking.  You are going to end
up having to spend too much money and time on that car.

Believe me the parts are not easy to come by and it is very time consuming.

Kaye Kimball
http://coyote.accessnv.com/lkgk/

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:54:19 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Drag racing tips needed.

Mark Tupper wrote:
>
> I've never been in a "formal" timed race, and really don't have
> any idea of how to get the most out of a run. Should the engine
> temp be warm/cold, RPM range, etc.

Okay, while staging, load up the gears (power brake) just enough so that
they don't spin. Wait until the last yellow light goes out, THEN TROMP
ON IT! A common misconception is that you go when green lights. You will
get a better R.T. and E.T. if you go right after the last yellow goes
out.

> Anybody with experience or knowledge that would prepare me
> would be greatly appreciated. Also tips for keeping the car
> (and driver) intact would be helpful.

If you're running street tires, don't bother to roast 'em off in the
water box, unless you just want to put on a show. It won't do you any
good.

- --
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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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            77      33
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          77        33
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:32:36 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: '87 442 how much is it worth?

Hey Chris................
     I'll sell my '86 442 and it is a "cherry" compared to the one
you just described.!!!   My '86 only needs paint and some interior
work to make it a show car quality auto. It needs, and I repeat,
needs nearly nothing. It has 180,00 mi on it with the tranny being
overhauled just last year. It's missing just a few interior parts
(minor stuff) and the new paint on the car is orange peeled pretty
bad. Mine sounds like a real deal at 3500.00 compared to that piece
of junk you are describing..!!

Let me know if you seriously want a nice 442..!!
I'll even send you a pic of my baby..!!

Mike..................
mailto:krzy4evr@usit.net
____________________________________________________________
> Hey guys & gals, need your help. Looked at a 1987 442 today needs the
> following:

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 12:54:46 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Torque Converter ID

   Does anyone know how to ID a torque coverter to be sure it's the right
one for a transmission?   I just acquired a TH400 for my '69 4-4-2 (OD code)
but I'm not sure if the torque converter that came with it is the right one.

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:08:48 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

I ordered skins for my '70  442. Had them put on by a pro,and they look awsome.
I ordered the covers from YEARONE.

Valpal4@aol.com wrote:

> hey guys,
> i have a '66 olds cutlass convertible. i'm looking to recover the front
> buckets. any good sources? should i bother doing it myself or do the pros do 
a
> much better job?
> also i have a column shift but i'd like to put a console in. any 
suggestions?
> thanks,
> ron
> '66 ocean mist cutlass convertible 330-4bbl auto.

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:06:42 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Fired the 455

Thanks guys about the exaust note.  I would love it like this but have no
clue how I will stand to tune it for a 1/2 hour at idle (me but what about
my NEIGHBOURS.  Hmm, imagine cold start ups in the winter.  However, i need
to know if I should rev it again for a while or if the cam could be
considered broken in.  Igor.

- ----------
> From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Fired the 455
> Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 6:29 AM
>
>
>
> >Okay, so I finally fired up the 455. <snippity>
> > Another big problem, with dual 2.5", no cats or
> >anything, cross-over-tube, 2.5" Chery Bomb Turbo mufflers and dumps, the
> >damn thing sound like a f-18 when you fire it up.  It was okay at 2200
RPM,
> >but when I droped it down to 1100, OH MY GOD.  The rumble was insane.
>
>
> YEEHAA...Land Yaght with attitude. (Big 'ol Tim Taylor grunt needed here)
>
> drc
>
>

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:09:04 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

Man, I know this one too.  I was on my way to Missoula, alone, and stopped
to use the facilities in Saltese, Montana.  If anyone is familiar with this
wide-spot-in-the-road, there's nothing there except a few trailers, a
beat-up house or two, and a bar/casino.  Car wouldn't turn over when I came
back out.  I had to find a way to entertain myself for 45 minutes and pray
that I didn't need any parts.

If this happens, just replace the starter (or just the solenoid if you're
cheap), it'll only get worse.

>

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:41:46 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

> I had to find a way to entertain myself for 45 minutes and pray
> that I didn't need any parts.

Heh heh...   GS did that to me once or twice, too.  Came out of Kmart one day
last summer, got in the car, turn the key..... <groaaaaan> and that was about
it.  <insert profanity here>  So, being in something of a hurry, and ~not~
wanting to hang out in Kmart for an hour, I walked home.  About a mile.  (hell,
I needed the exercise, anyway...)  A friend passed by and picked me up about
halfway there.  Got home, grabbed the trailer, and drove back to Kmart.  It was
just starting to rain.  Had a full fledged storm goin' on by the time I got to
Kmart (probably best, so not many had to watch :)  Got in the GS, and ~of
course~ it fired right up...  So I drove it up on the trailer like that was my
original intent (yeah, in the @$%#@#^ rain) took it home.  Got there, finished
loading the truck, and trailered the GS to Sidney.  Just as planned, except for
~when and where~ I'd load the trailer!  :)

FWIW, I never changed ~anything~ on the starter, and it's behaved since then.  
I
did ~buy~ a starter, it's in the trunk of...  Uhh, something...  Ended up
putting a different battery in it, but that's it.  Go figure.


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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:49:07 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Drag racing tips needed.

Bring a helmet, most tracks require one.  I use a motorcycle helmet.
Also, bring some white shoe polish for writing on the windows, get the
kind that you squeeze and it comes out the sponge on top.

Have a buddy at the track go with so you can unload all the heavy
stuff out of the car: spare tire, tool kit, etc.

The previous post is correct: don't do a burnout with street tires,
won't help.

A cool engine is faster (not dead cold, but cool) so don't let the
motor idle any longer than necessary.  When it's your turn to run,
drive around the water box and up to the staging portion of the lane.
Roll up windows for aerodynamics (every bit helps).  As you pull up
and trip the first light beam, the first staging light will turn on.
I wait right here until the other car also trips his first light.
Then inch up a little bit more until the second light comes on.  Once
both sides have both staging lights lit, the countdown will begin.
Load up the torque converter by holding the brake and push the gas
pedal down some.  Stare straight at the third (bottom most) amber
light.  As soon as it comes on, mash the gas and release the brake.
For a stock motor, shift at 5000rpms and have fun!

Strive for consistency and cutting a close light.  If your runs are
within a 10th or so of a second, you're doing good.  My first couple
runs were a half a second apart, then I got better.

Have fun and don't succumb to the urge to over-redline the motor just
because some other car is pulling ahead of you.

- -greg

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:55:54 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: How much$ for bushing replacement

Save some money, get a big hammer and do it yourself!  The only ones I
had to have replaced by a mechanic where the upper A-arm bushings,
cost me $20 labor.

If that's too involved, another way to save money is to take the all
the suspension control arms off yourself, then have a local shop with
a hydraulic press bush the bushings in.  It should only cost a few
bucks.  Most of the labor cost is taking the suspension apart.  Rent a
spring compressor and use a jack and it's a 1day job.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cutconvt69@aol.com <Cutconvt69@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 10:23 AM
Subject: How much$ for bushing replacement


>How much should one expect to pay to have the bushings replaced on my
69
>Cutlass S? I have a friend who has a shop, also one who works out of
his
>garage, and am trying to figure out what it should cost to have at
least the
>front bushings replaced. The back look like a job I could possibly
handle.
>Also is the polygraphite from PST a set I would want. Not a racer
just looking
>to put some handling back into a 150K + machine. Any other
mightaswells that
>should be done at the same time to help my handling situation?
>Thanks for your help
>Mike W

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:02:21 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Power Brakes

Hello Gang,

I'm back from MS (via Fla.) for the weekend and had to pop
back in. I really miss not having Net access.
Before I left Florida to help out (temporarily), at the
Jackson, MS plant, the power brake boost stopped working on
the 80 Toro. There is plenty of vacuum getting to the
booster, so I suspect that the booster itself is shot. Is
there a cheap way to fix this, or do I need a new booster?
TIA
====================================================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass S convertible
1980 Toronado Brougham
OCA# 29770
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:40:44 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Drag racing tips needed.

> Bring a helmet, most tracks require one.

NHRA requires a certain safety certification on the helmets.  Some tracks may
overlook, I don't know...  Not sure of the exact specs there.  The average old
biker helmet might not cut it, though.  Get a rule book well in advance, and
know it.  No suprises.

Tech tech tech!!!  Possibly the biggest challenge at the track, depending on
your bracket.  Some sticklers:
*ALL pressurised non-rigid fuel line ~must~ be within braided steel line.
*NO antifreeze leaks.  Hoses and radiator better be in tip top shape.  Any 
green
showing up anywhere, they'll black flag ya before you make run one.
Seat belts are required, I'm sure.  Shouldn't be a problem.

Breaking through certain brackets will add many tougher tech limits, like roll
cages, full harnesses, safety loops, etc.  Don't think those come into play
until 12 and faster (1/4's).  Note that ~I~ have never run a ~professional~
track.  I've never been tech inspected, only going on rules I've read and
stories I've heard.  I think some tracks require a membership in NHRA???  Not
sure.  Might want to check into that?

I think many tracks require you to use your own shoe polish, too.

> Have a buddy at the track go with so you can unload all the heavy
> stuff out of the car: spare tire, tool kit, etc.

And babysit it while you and your car are away on business.  Nothing more
disheartening than returning to an empty parking spot.

> The previous post is correct: don't do a burnout with street tires,
> won't help.

Right.  It only helps on slicks.  Which can get you a much better launch at the
track.  If you have access, play with 'em!  The "playing surface" is 
drastically
different than the streets.  On the street, slicks are worthless for racing.
The rough highways will destroy 'em.  Street tires will beat slicks on the
street.  The track is exactly opposite.  Slicks will "hook up" much better.
Many claim full second differences between slicks and bumpys.  FWIW.

Bring a notebook and pencil, to record results.  Keep a thermometer, barometer,
and other weather instruments you may have hanging around.  All that will 
affect
runs, and those who run ~often~ live by that information.  Can help answer the
questions "Why am I slower today???"

Bring a cooler with ~lots~ of ice!!!  Many racers like to pack the intake with
ice, to cool off the intake charge.  Many different tactics on loading it up,
but the idea is the same.  Also, if you're flunking the tech on the fuel line
requirement, you might install a cool can (if you're gonna do a lot of running
with it)  This is basically a coffee can with fuel line coiled around in it, 
and
packed with ice.  Cools the incoming fuel.

Don't run the AC.  No matter ~how~ hot you get.  The extra heat load from the
condensor will be absorbed into the engine and ~will~ likely slow you down, 
even
after you turn it back off.  Watch your temp gauge.  You may need to leave it 
on
a faster idle after runs for it to cool back down.  Maybe.  Shutting the car 
off
will ~increase~ the temperature in the engine.

> A cool engine is faster
> so don't let the motor idle any longer than necessary.

Right.  Normal idle isn't usually enough for the radiator to do its job.  A
higher idle will cool it down faster than shutting it off.  On most cars.
You'll have to watch that if there's any concern with your cooling system.

     < < < S N I P  > > > of staging tactics

> Have fun and don't succumb to the urge to over-redline the motor just
> because some other car is pulling ahead of you.

Right...  And WATCH YOUR TACH!!!!!!!!!  So many times I've run against someone
with dropped exhaust.  You ~can't~ hear what your engine is doing over his
slobbering che*y.  You'll have to rely on guages and instinct.  Solely.  Make a
few solo runs if possible, to get used to shift points, etc.  You see many
racers with a 50 Kabillion candlepower shift light on their dashes.  This is
why.

Have you ever downloaded that "Burnout" game yet????  They've got a pretty good
racing FAQ section in there somewhere that explains a lot of racing aspects.
Also an ~excellent~ primer for reaction times, staging, deep staging, 60' time
diagnosis, etc.

http://www.bethsoft.com/burnout/

http://sl.rconcepts.com/
http://sl.rconcepts.com/guide/

Browse through those pages a bit.  Particularly the Staging Light's "guide"
page.  Looks like much of the information you're probably looking for.  I
haven't dug too deep yet, I'll send it so you can have more time to look!

One last tip:  HAVE FUN!!!  Remember, it's not about winning or losing... It's
about how many ch*vies you beat!!!!!!  :)

Good luck!!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:54:27 -0700
From: the Orrs <rorr@interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1375

 I have a 68 Toronado. I bought from my girlfriends dad and he said it was one
of thirteen made because its has disc rahter than drum brakes, its has bench
rather than bucket seats, and it has double chrome, that is, it has chrome
seperating the vinyl from the chrome above the window. Can anyone verify its
rarity? Also, what color should I paint it to complement the white vinyl, light
blu, dark blue, black, green?

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:24:05 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '87 442 how much is it worth?

send the pics

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:22:03 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Torque Converter ID

In a message dated 98-07-18 12:59:11 EDT, you write:

<<  I just acquired a TH400 for my '69 4-4-2 (OD code) but I'm not sure if the
torque converter that came with it is the right one. >>

What is it that makes you suspicious?

In case you are asking, the original T/C would not be the 'variable vane'
variety.

However, I will try to let you know if Sessions' book says when I get it......
<it's not here yet????? man.....>

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:47:22 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Power Brakes

In a message dated 98-07-18 14:02:35 EDT, you write:

<< There is plenty of vacuum getting to the booster, so I suspect that the
booster itself is shot. Is there a cheap way to fix this, or do I need a new
booster? >>

I was just reading about boosters for *some* reason or other....  :-)}

In 1965 three different types od booster were available.

Bendix, Delco, and Moraine.

If I remember rightly, all three (and probably yours) use a diaphragm or
piston between manifold vaccuum and ambient air pressure.....

mmmmmmm....

Apparently there is a check valve on the booster to ensure that vaccuum to the
booster is the *most* available....low maniforld vacc; valve closed.....high
manifold vacc; valve open...
Because of this the booster actually works with engine not running...for a
while.

Your situation could be as easy (????) as replacing this valve.

See your chassis manual for details....

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:33:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: 85 tornado

today i was at the grand opening of skagit harley davidson and saw a trike
as we pulled in, i thought gee those center ports look familiar.  after
getting off and walking around i find the trike again  and it is an olds
v8 at the rear, behind the indian girder front end.  the guy told me it
was an 85 tornado front clip complete that he attached the required parts
to and presto chango olds v8 powered trike.


47rocket98

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:12:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paging Greg Pruett

Hey Greg,
          Hit me direct,Lost your E-mail,need to ask you a question.
                John




==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:14:32 EDT
From: <PFCEMT3@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442 how much is it worth? solution!

I have an 87 olds cutlass 3074bbl 3:42.1 posi with 442 duals and I bought the
car stock for 2000 in excellent condition with only 118000 old fart miles on
it, new trans, new master cyl. and power booster and CLEAN! Power
windows,locks, and moonroof too.  However, I like 442's and love my olds so I
would offer the person 1500 on the spot and see if they take it.  If so, BE
PREPARED and have the cash plus a litle extra to deal with.  I wouldn't rate a
g-body that needs work for any more than that.  Reply with answer.
PFCEMT3@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:15:47 EDT
From: <PFCEMT3@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '87 442 how much is it worth?

send me a pic! I have an 87 442 in the making

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:31:30 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Drag racing tips needed.

Just catch a good light!...DO NOT DO A BURNOUT!!!!!!!!!!! Street tires DO NOT
need a burnout to be their most effective. stage short(...just barely let the
tires cross the last beam)...then leave when the last yellow goes out...before
the green light comes on...The time it takes for the stock chassis to react
will absorb the time between the last light and green. let the auto shift
itself...have fun...
Collyn Eastham
65 442

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:03:26 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Anyone speak German?

This may be Olds content for all I know, but I'm stumped.  I got an email from
someone in German (I assume), and I was wondering if anyone could translate.
Hit me direct, and I'll forward the message to you.

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:51:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Mail From Chris B. Witt

Chris asked me to forward this; reply to wittchri@pilot.msu.edu directly
please.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

Greetings from the land of no email list!

Still suffering withdrawal symptoms, still selling parts. Picked up an
"assembly plate" the other day: 84" x 84" x 1.75" thick, surface ground 2
sides. About 2 tons of flat fun. Paid $5.60 for it. Worth about $150 in scrap
at Padnos. I keep it for now.

Perhaps one of you experts can h*lp me out! I have had several inquiries of
folks searching for the elusive "longer" oil fill tube as used on the 1966
Tri-carb motors.

I would be glad to make a dozen or so of these IF I can only find out how long
exactly they are supposed to be.

Can someone please send me via personal email the proper dimension? Either
overall length or length protruding from the block would do- just tell me which
it is you are providing.
- --------------
Next issue:
Items for sale!
$20  TH400 Shift kit, new, in the box. What a deal.
$600 delivered, big-valve C heads, new guides, bolt-on ready. $100 less
      if you come get them in Lansing.
$100 Red bucket seats, nice vinyl, not ripped up, you pick up in Lansing.
- ------------
Next issue:
have line on 3 '68 parts cars:
- -1968 Cutlass convertible. Not much left. Weathered 350-2V, #5 heads. Some
windows, no doors. Some top mechanism. No front end.

- -1968 442 Holiday, not bad, 1/2 way dead, has buckets, busted console, no 
rear
bumper, smogger 455 J heads. Has Tilt wheel & PWindows [mine if I get it].

- -1968 442 Convertible. Rough, solid body, floorpan, etc. Has rear bumper, has
12-bolt posi, ratio unknown. C-head 455 in it. Buckets, console, shifter appear
intact. Possible restore project.
- ------------
Replies via person emails please, as I will not see stuff on the list :-(
- --
Chris "2nd gear rubber" Witt
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:30:13 EDT
From: <JDess@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone speak German?

  HI Joe,
  Try going to the URL

  http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/

  It is an online translator that may help you.  It is O.K., not great, but it
is fast and free<G>.
  Hope this helps,
  joe Dessel

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:30:25 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Hey

        Is anyone going to be in there tonight? I'll be in and out this 
evening.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:45:26 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Dextron III in TH400

I just put almost 7L in my TH400.  It is Dextron III fluid.  The buddy at
the parts desk said put Dextron III, but when I looked on the Dipstick
(when I was done), it said use Dextron fluild.  Is Dextron III okay for
TH400.  Please tell me I don't have to drain it.  I did not drive it
anywhere (well, backed it into a garage) but just use it for break it.  The
shift kit manual said put in 4 quarts and then add as needed.  I put in 4L
and fired the engine up and went to RPMs for break it.  Ran it for 6 or 7
min.  and then went to put it in reverse, NOTHING.  Figured low on fluid,
pulled the dipstick and started adding.  Ran out of oil, so I shut it off
and went to a parts store.  Got more, keept adding.  About 7L or more and
it still needs a little.  Now it would go into gear.   Also, does anyone
know how much these things take.  I have a decent sized oil cooler.
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:02:39 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Dextron III in TH400

Igor wrote:
>
> I just put almost 7L in my TH400.  It is Dextron III fluid.  The buddy at
> the parts desk said put Dextron III, but when I looked on the Dipstick
> (when I was done), it said use Dextron fluild.  Is Dextron III okay for
> TH400.  Please tell me I don't have to drain it.  I did not drive it
> anywhere (well, backed it into a garage) but just use it for break it.  The
> shift kit manual said put in 4 quarts and then add as needed.  I put in 4L
> and fired the engine up and went to RPMs for break it.  Ran it for 6 or 7
> min.  and then went to put it in reverse, NOTHING.  Figured low on fluid,
> pulled the dipstick and started adding.  Ran out of oil, so I shut it off
> and went to a parts store.  Got more, keept adding.  About 7L or more and
> it still needs a little.  Now it would go into gear.   Also, does anyone
> know how much these things take.  I have a decent sized oil cooler.
> Thanks.
>
> Igor Todorovic, UofC
> 1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
> 1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
> 1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
> 1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
> 1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)



Dexron III is the current "revision" if you will of the original Dexron
fluid - it is exactly what you should be using in your TH-400. I can't
find the capacities, but if memory serves, I think it is something like
6 quarts for drain and refill and 12-13 quarts for complete empty
(includes torque converter). The shift recommends 4 qts to start with so
you don't overfill it and start a leak. I would think that your cooler
would probably add a little more than a quart to the system.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:11:01 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: German

Forward it this way, and I'll see if I can help

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:27:09 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dextron III in TH400

In a message dated 98-07-18 22:09:33 EDT, you write:

<<  Also, does anyone
 > know how much these things take.  >>


  THM400=11 qts Dry, unless you have a truck oil pan on it..might add another
quart. Would love to put one in my car, but it would hang down too low. Dorian

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:27:51 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Fired the 455

>However, i need
>to know if I should rev it again for a while or if the cam could be
>considered broken in.  Igor.
>
If you've run 20 minutes, you should be OK.

drc

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:42:59 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: It's not German!

If anyone can help me, please let me know!  I was told by someone willing to
translate that it wasn't German, but another Slavic language!  If anyone can
help me, please hit me direct and I'll forward the message to anyone who
want's to try.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:05:17 -0500
From: Texas442 <texas442@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

There is a section on our website that has color photos of most of the
442 wheels including the all chrome '71 SSI.  This will help you see
which wheel is which.  The web site address is

http://www.flash.net/~texas442/

Click on:    442 wheels

Good Luck,
Ali

<I've never seen a set like is being talked about here, is there any
pics around online???>

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:14:57 EDT
From: <Surmise@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone speak German?

I can read a little and have friends who are fluent.  Let me know.

John
Surmise@aol.com
67 442
Presently in Springfield for the end of the OCA

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:34:37 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1375

the Orrs wrote:
>
> from the chrome above the window. Can anyone verify its rarity? Also, what
color > should I paint it to complement the white vinyl, light blu, dark blue,
black, green?

I think you should paint it black!!! Just take a look at my car, the
black compliments the white vinyl very nicely.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:57:05 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Car Show Adventures...

Hi folks,
           Since I wasn't able to attend the Nats in Springfield, I went
up the road today to Tupelo for Mississippi On Wheels  Car Club's 9th
annual Summer show.  (Temps were in the mid '90's, but the auditorium at
the community college was open, with the A/C going full blast.)  They
had 148 registered entries.  Two Oldsmobiles - mine and a '63 88 or 98.
I was in Production Cars:  1976 to 1988.  There were six other cars in
the class: a BEAUTIFUL 1976 Cadillac Eldorado convertible with only
5,000 original miles, (Yes, FIVE thousand miles on a 22 yr. old car...)
a 1980 C*maro, two 1981 Firebirds, a 1981 Trans Am, and a 1988 Mercury
Cougar.  Only bad thing about the show was drive-through judging.
(Waiting in line when it's close to 100 is no fun...)  They had a bunch
of early production classes with no entries, so they used the extra
trophies for ties in other classes.  The two Firebirds tied for third,
the Eldorado, Camaro, and Trans Am tied for second, and the Cougar and
my '87 442 tied for first.  Got a lot of nice comments, and a good time
was had by all.  Noticed that the Production Truck:  1973 to 1988 class
didn't have any entries.  (Hmm, when that class extends to the 1989
models NEXT year, I might have to take the GMC.  :-)  The best part of
the whole day was having a weekend night off from work, and actually
getting to drive my car for a change.  (Think I'll wait 'til October
before heading to another show...too hot.)  The club announced that
they'll have another judging tent set up for next year to keep the lines
shorter.  (Quoting Eddie Murphy in "Beverly Hills Cop":  "...Yes, I
think that would be best...")  I hope everybody had a good time at
Springfield.  :-)

Later,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:53:53 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: show in CT

Is anyone from the list going to the CT show on july 26 in meridan

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:22:25 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Car Show Humor was: Car Show Adventures...

In a message dated 98-07-19 01:53:22 EDT, you write:

<<  a BEAUTIFUL 1976 Cadillac Eldorado convertible with only 5,000 original
miles, (Yes, FIVE thousand miles on a 22 yr. old car...) >>

On the other hand, at more than one show of the Illinois Valley Oldsmobile
Chapter, I have seen the following, and most often on 1950's era cars;

"If you see this car being trailered, call the police, it is stolen"

And truth to tell, I did see the bulk of the Oldsmobiles present at the first
Olds show I attended leave under their own power. (though one leaked rad fluid
during the whole show, and one of the 1970's cars needed a quart of oil
desperately befor it could leave...)

Sometimes on the same car;
"Shut up, sit down, strap in, and HANG ON!"

I just love the people who own 1950's cars......

KA
&SOM

BTW IF I get my system running properly soon I will update with a map to the
Illinois Railway Museum Transportation Extravaganza on Aug. 2. I went last
year, and there was a poor showing of Oldsmobiles. On the other hand, no car
enthusiast can leave this event without casting a wandering eye upon some of
the other makes......
I saw an Indian motorcycle while riding in a train, but when I got to the
scene on foot.....it was gone....

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:18:04 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Wanted: '87 442 stripes

Angel,
I'm not sure of the original question , but check with Coy. His e-mail is
Coyster@earthlink.net
He runs a company that makes decals.
Super nice guy.
Tell him GraphixRus  sent you.
Let me know how things turn out.
Roger Utter

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:24:07 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: show in CT

>Is anyone from the list going to the CT show on july 26 in meriden
>
I will. I belong to the NEOC chapter. Gonna bring the whole famn damily.
Maybe by next year's show my Delta will be restored enough to enter. Hope
the weather is like today, but if not the rain date is Aug 2nd.

Dave Cullen
OCA 300030
NEOC 074
85 Delta-88 Royale

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:35:45 -0400
From: dinge@sugar-river.net
Subject: Re: show in CT

On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Is anyone from the list going to the CT show on july 26 in meriden
>>
>I will. I belong to the NEOC chapter. Gonna bring the whole famn damily.
>Maybe by next year's show my Delta will be restored enough to enter. Hope
>the weather is like today, but if not the rain date is Aug 2nd.
>
>Dave Cullen
>OCA 300030
>NEOC 074
>85 Delta-88 Royale
>
>Dave, Im an considering a trip to the show from New Hampshire. Do you think
there will be any 49-50 Oldsmobiles on display? Dick Doremus
>

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:39:46 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

>There is a section on our website that has color photos of most of the
>442 wheels including the all chrome '71 SSI.  This will help you see
>which wheel is which.  The web site address is
>
>http://www.flash.net/~texas442/
>
>Click on:    442 wheels
>
~VERY~ nicely done wheel pics. This site should be referenced whenever
someone wants to know about SS wheels.

Now, which one of these babies are being repro'ed by Stockton, anybody know?

drc

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:46:55 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: show in CT

>>Dave, Im an considering a trip to the show from New Hampshire. Do you
think
>there will be any 49-50 Oldsmobiles on display? Dick Doremus
>>


Dunno, Dick. I'll e-mail the show weenies and ask if any have been
registered yet. I do remember last year's show had an early 50's (maybe 52?)
car that was incredibly pristine. I'll let ya know what I find out.

drc

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:49:43 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: cars for sale

this was pulled from todays paper---------

Oldsmobile Super 88 1958. Restorable, minor rust, all chrome. $700. Call
Jerry at Phone: 513-261-9619

Oldsmobile Delta 88 1976. 4 door, 1 owner, 15-1/2,000 original miles,
garage kept. $4800. Phone: 513-921-3229

Oldsmobile Cutlass Conv. 1967. Nice solid car. Yellow. New tires. $2900.
Call 513-608-8654.

Not my cars. Just FYI. Good luck.

Mark Hahn
75D88C

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