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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 12 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1306



Re: 4.10 Gearing
Re: buncha damn idiots!
Re: Non-olds, but please help!
Re:
Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Best all around street gear?
[none]
Re: 455 replaces small block
Re: Best all around street gear?
Re: 120 mph conversion
RE: To Chris Sparks
RE: Paint Supplier
engine work
Re: 72 pcs wanted?
FREE Parts for '68 442
'75 H/O For Sale
RE: 120 mph conversion
Re: 120 mph conversion
leave of absence
UNBOUNCE: WTB 4-4-2
Re: Springs and Shocks
G body parts for sale
Re: 120 mph conversion
Re: Time to vote
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv
Re: E-mail rules
120 MPH Speedo from '73
hood liner
Beatnik Bandit was an Olds!
Exhaust Hangers
Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv
Re: THM200 General question...
Remove
heads
Good yards near and/or around Atlanta, GA
Re: Why do you do this?
72 CUTLASS SEATS
Please help with Sport Steering Wheel install
radios, Orig. Parts Group
1972 442
this guy needs headers
Re: heads
Re: Why do you do this?
Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic - Attn:  Dave Emanuel
benefits of a 4.10:1 diff
Re: Why do you do this?
Re: I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio
'82-'87 Steering Wheel Needed
Re: Non-olds, but please help!
Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic
Vista Bruiser From Heck
425 performance parts

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:25:01 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

I have 411 gears with the gear venders overdrive and man there great. Turning
mid to low 12s in 95 deg heat. The overdrive has over 75 hole shots on M.T ET
street tires and has performend exel.I would not want 411s without overdrive on
the street
 Butch 68  442  post

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

> I'll throw my two cents in here too...I would stick with the 3.42's myself.
> 3.42 is a pretty good compromise on efficiency vs acceleration.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:35:31 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: buncha damn idiots!

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> JR wrote:
> >
> > Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> >
> > > "Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
> > >  Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."
> > > ------------------------------
> >
> > Anyone who drives faster than I do is flying too low...

Anyone I can beat in a race needs to buy an Oldsmobile....

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Matt Cremean
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         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:43 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Non-olds, but please help!

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> I'd reply personally, but I've seen similar situations that may apply to any
> vehicle on the road (no, no, no, I'm not talking about jacked up 4X4 Olds's,
> don't worry!:)

Hey, I've actually seen a 69 SS Sh*tvelle like that. Course, it might
have just been a PU with the body and interior. It was painted in
CAMO.....

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Matt Cremean
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:57:51 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re:

J.P. Begley wrote:
>
> I have a 1974 Oldsmobile Cutlass S I got from my family, they say it
> is 1 of only 12 made.  They said the dealer told them when they bought
> it  was a KD-100.  The car was dark green with a white half top.  It
> has a 350 rocket with duel exhaust AND 4V.  The car has white leather
> interior, a auto in the floor.  The VIN is 3G37M4M306655.  I
> researched the VIN the car was made in Lansing MI.  Any information on
> the subject would be greatly appreciated.
>  
>                                                 John Begley. 
>                                                 ksp274@mis.net 

Well, this is a very knowledgeable group. Start asking questions and
we'll give you answers!!!

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Matt Cremean
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:56:33 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

Ok, seeing that the buckets would take some working to fit right...

Another idea I would like to see if it's possible is:

On the 60/40 bench seat setup, if I were to find another driver's seat
(AKA: 40) would it be possible to swap seat tracks from the seats,
making to driver's seats, or a 40/40 with a 20 gap for the console?

Will the driver's seat entirely mount on the pass side, including the
driver's side mount...  (toying with the idea of a power driver's seat)
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                 Jerry Christopher
           Mailto:ithefunki@viperlink.net
 IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
        HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI
Anyone who drives faster than I do is flying too low....

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:02:35 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Best all around street gear?

I have a 85 Cutlass Supreme with a 77 Rocket 350, stock cam and all.  I
have sweet Hooker duals and would like to swap out the 2.14's for
something a little more practical.

With a 26in tall tire, what would be the best of both worlds gearing?

3.42?  3.73?  2.73?  3.08?  3.23?  What was common back in the 60's for
a 350 Cutlass?  I do not take the car on extended trips, 200 miles would
be a long trip for this car.  I drive 55-60 on the back roads to and
from work.  That is about all.

I have 3.08's in my 80 Trans AM with a 455 Poncho, and that is ok for
low 12's, but with the 301 Turbo is was too high of a gear.  I needed
more like 3.42-3.73.  Can I assume the 350 would like 3.42?

It seems most Olds came from the factory with either high perf 4.10,
3.90, or ultra high 2.14-2.56.  What is really the best overall?

Any input would be appreciated.  I have found a 7.5in posi 2.41, which
is better than my 2.14, but I really want more optimized for what I
drive.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:14:07 -0700
From: "Monty L. Ray" <cen20952@centuryinter.net>
Subject: [none]

Unsubscribe CEN20952@centuryinter.net

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:39:45 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: 455 replaces small block

Yeah, I did not get to that part yet, but thought it should be fine. I
figured since the engine is taller, perhaps the fan position MIGHT be
different.  Thanks for the info.

- ----------
> From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself <wittchri@pilot>
> Subject: 455 replaces small block
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 9:32 PM
>
> Fan clutch and assebly should be fine from the 350.  But since the 455 is
> taller, you may have to shim your fan shroud for clearance.  No problem.
> ==================
>
> Uhm, the sb & bb are the same as far as lower block- motor mounts holes,
water
> pump location/ height, etc. Therefore, the fan/ shroud relationship
should not
> change.
>
> --
> Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
> 1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
> Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> --

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:26:58 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Best all around street gear?

I have a '71 cutlass with 245/60/14 tires (don't know how tall, maybe
25 or 26).  350 and TH350 auto tranny.  Used to have 2.56 rear, it was
horrible.  I switched to a 3.73 and a limited slip (put it in while
the gears are going in).  It was way to high of a gear for any type of
highway driving, but acceleration was awesome.  Two weeks later I
forked out another $400 and went with 3.08, which gives me 3000rpms at
75-80mph.

The perfect world would be an overdrive and 3.73 or 4.10.  Without an
overdrive, it's just too much.

- -greg

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:52:21 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: 120 mph conversion

>super442@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>> To all,
>>       To all you G-body fans wanting a 120 speedometer,I talked to "Clock
>> doc" today .They can make em' .But sit down...They want between
>> $150-$225.That's the price you pay for "custom" I guess.They are able to
>> make it register whatever you want,but after 120 they would be very small.I
>> guess I'll keep the one I got,and all the 85 mph's till I find some more.

If the 120 mph speedos have the same sweep as the 85, does anyone know why
we couldn't just slow down the speedo proportionatly and stick or stencil on
a 120mph speedo face?  As I said, it'd take a reduction box to slow one down
that much, but I bet they're cheaper than $225!

Speaking of reduction boxes, it seems like it'd be possible to build one
yourself if you could find a good source of gears.  Maybe at a hobby shop?

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:00:16 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: To Chris Sparks

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try rmart@satlink.com. Thanks.Raul

- -----Mensaje original-----
De:	Mr Ada [SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
Enviado el:	Jueves 11 de Junio de 1998 07:01
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	Re: To Chris Sparks

Hi Raul,

> Soory but I can get you from your e-mail, so please post in this =
general list your advice of a good original paint supplier for OLDS. =
Thanks. Raul.

I use an individual out here in California, however, due to the =
sensitive
nature of the paint business, I can only give his name to individuals =
directly.
I don't want any problems going his way, if you know what I mean.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:05:29 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: Paint Supplier

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Thanks Chris. Another one, What's PPG and where can I find the color =
code/chip identifier?. Could be enough to give this guy the original GM =
paint code (CC provincial white). Thanks. Raul.

- -----Mensaje original-----
De:	Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) [SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
Enviado el:	Jueves 11 de Junio de 1998 14:23
Para:	Olds List
Asunto:	Re: Paint Supplier

Hi all,

I have talked with the Paint Supply vendor today and he says it is
ok to give out his name and business contact information to this
list.  The guy is a real nice individual and has some exposure to
Oldsmobiles.  His brother use to own a Nocturne Blue Olds (442 I
think).  He is also to manufactor spray cans of paint as well.
He sells paint by the gallon and is pretty accurate in matching
colors.  He also uses PPG paints.  He was able to match my paint
given the PPG color code/chip identifier.  I compared my floor
pan to the color on the exterior and what a match!  Anyways his
information follows:

GE Auto Paints & Supplies
2403 E. Anaheim St.
Long Beach, CA  90804
Phone: 562-433-0915
Fax:   562-621-1541
Owner: Gary Elliott (Hence the acronym above! :-)
Specializes in: PPG Paints, 3M Products, Body Shop Supplies
Other info off his card: Ditzler Auto Finishes, Western Paints

For those of you who don't live in California, there should be
no EPA problems shooting a car with these materials.  For those
of us who are, contact me directly and we can talk.  He doesn't
currently do shipping but he is willing to find avenues to get
the stuff to the buyer.  Either he will ship or maybe you can
get a buddy to ship.  Tell him that "Teal Frost" sent you.
He remembers colors better than names.  Go figure! :-)

Sorry for the length of this e-mail.  Hope it is informative.

BTW: If you haven't voted for Frosty yet please do so at:

http://151.196.92.129/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html

Thanks and Frosty appreciates your support!

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net


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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:19:25 EDT
From: <Wjcbj@aol.com>
Subject: engine work

I am currently rebuilding my 69 cutlass.  I have run into a few problems
though.  I hope someone can help me!  First I need a wiring diagram if anyone
has one.  I also need some suggestions on how to set the valves and drop the
distributor in.  Any help would be appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:47:20 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 pcs wanted?

i have a hood for a 72     and alot of interior parts e-mail me and let me
know if you are interrested in boston MA

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:51:48 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: FREE Parts for '68 442

Reply directly to the author, I don't know what's included or where
Brad

=========================================
Subject: 442 parts for .... free?
   Date: 10 Jun 1998 16:19:25 -0400
   From: David Senn <David.Senn@noaa.gov>
    To: brad442@erols.com

 I am an old '68 Olds 442 enthusiast.  I have owned several throughout
the years
.... had 3 (one convertible and two coupes) at one time up to several
months
ago.  I currently have (what I would consider!) a parts car right now.
I have
made a decision to get out of the "hobby" and get rid of all of my spare
parts
.... which includes the parts car.  I would gladly GIVE all of the parts
to
someone and all they would have to do is pay shipping.  The parts range
from arm
rests to body lights (parking, headlight, tail lights etc.) to visors to
seat
belts to carb parts and even a rear end.  All in all I would say I have
4 or 5
boxes full of parts.

Would you happen to know who might be interested in these '68 parts?  If
not I
will be forced to hall them off to the trash dump and I would hate to do
that if
someone might be interested in them.

Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:01:50 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: '75 H/O For Sale

Reply to person mentioned in original message
I've seen the car and his price is fair, maybe a little low, but it is a
CLEAN H/o

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy
brad442@erols.com

================================
Subject: 1975 Hurst Olds
   Date:   Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:15:29 -0400
   From: "Jeffrey M Nassner" <JMN@prodigy.net>
    To: <brad442@erols.com>

Brad, I have a 75 HO that I need to sell due to the fact that I lost my
storage. The car is totally restored W30. If you or anyone you may know
is interested, please E-Mail me at
JMN@Prodigy.net.

The car looks great and runs better.

Thanks for your help.

Jeff Nassner

P.S. the care is located just north of Baltimore, and I need to get
about 6300 to 6500 out of it.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:59:04 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: RE: 120 mph conversion

I don't think that would work on an '81-up g-body because of the computer
and the VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) in the speedometer.  You could put a new
stencil on and then change the gear in the tranny to get it to read
correctly, but then the VSS would be reading too low, which may cause
problems for the computer.  You'd need to either recalibrate the VSS (I
have no idea how these work, black magic AFAIK), or get a custom computer
chip that expects a different VSS value (that would be my preferred
solution if I could find someone who could decipher all the innards of
these chips. . .)

Your odometer wouldn't read correctly either. . .

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

- ----------
From:  Greg Pruett [SMTP:grpruett@vt.edu]
Sent:  Thursday, June 11, 1998 4:52 AM
To:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:  Re: 120 mph conversion

If the 120 mph speedos have the same sweep as the 85, does anyone know why
we couldn't just slow down the speedo proportionatly and stick or stencil
on
a 120mph speedo face?  As I said, it'd take a reduction box to slow one
down
that much, but I bet they're cheaper than $225!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:16:10 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: 120 mph conversion

At 05:52 PM 6/11/98 +0600, you wrote:
>>super442@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> >If the 120 mph speedos have the same sweep as the 85, does anyone know
why
>we couldn't just slow down the speedo proportionatly and stick or stencil on
>a 120mph speedo face?  As I said, it'd take a reduction box to slow one down
>that much, but I bet they're cheaper than $225!
>
>Speaking of reduction boxes, it seems like it'd be possible to build one
>yourself if you could find a good source of gears.  Maybe at a hobby shop?
>
>Greg Pruett
>72 Vista Cruiser
>67 Cutlass Supreme
>80 Cutlass Calais
>
>Cost of recalibration is a mere $30-$40.
super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:17:22 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: leave of absence

unsubscribe please

returning 6/21

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:37:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: WTB 4-4-2

Respond directly to mickeyliera@earthlink.net please.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Mickey Liera <mickeyliera@earthlink.net>
Subject: 4-4-2 want to buy

I am looking to buy a 1970-1971 4-4-2 W-30 convertible, Must be
automatic, (dual gate), number matching, fully restored car.  Please
list all options and restoration history.

Return mail to Chris Coyne at: mickeyliera@earthlink.net
or call 813-935-4211

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 20:24:33 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Springs and Shocks

At 09:38 PM 6/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm looking for recommendations on where to get springs and shocks for
>my 68 442.  It looks as if Brother's is the cheapest on a set of 4
>springs.  Unfortunately, Fusicks is the most expensive and Year One is a
>little more expensive than Brothers.  I was also contemplating ordering
>them from PST.  Are these springs all of the same quality?  Also, I am
>trying to decide on a good pair of shocks.  I know a lot of people use
>the KYB gas adjust.  I was also considering the GM Gas shocks.
>


  The shocks that I put on my '69 4-4-2 were the Delco oem's.  They work
fine.  The front coils (didn't replace the rears) are Moog or TRW (same
spring) part # for either is 5450. Paid $85 for the pair. These are
obviously under a BB and w/o air. Don't know the exact spring rate, but the
measurement from the floor to the top center of the underside of the wheel
opening molding is 26 3/8" sitting on P225/70R15 like-new tires. I like the
way the car stands and handles with them.


  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:37:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: G body parts for sale

from 86 Cutlass Brougham (2dr)

- -complete front end
  including nose piece with grill (85 pattern!)
  radiator support stuff
  both fenders with power antenna (not working, naturally)
                    ^----if I remember right
  bumper, hood ornament, etc.

 both doors with:
 power windows
 power locks
 ultra fluffy & smooth Brougham trim
 mirrors

steering column with tilt & cruise

all stuff is from a grey/grey 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

Will sell together or separate
OR will trade things for grey buckets, console, shifter free column,
 I will be uns*bscri*ing soon, so anyon interested will need to call me at
 (215) 453-0773 edt

PHILADELPHIA AREA


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:45:39 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 120 mph conversion

I still want to find a Canadian G-body speedo, take the 140 KM head, black out
the km markings, and use an adaptor at the tranny to compensate.  The odometer
would be right, and I think the speed sensor would be, too.  I think the
Canadian speed sensors are calibrated differently (got that hunch with my HUD)
so using an American sensor with it should be OK.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Oldsmobile Magnet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charley Buehner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ mailto:charley@rocketship.com ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sidney, Montana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:50:05 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Time to vote

>Hi all,
>
>Its time to vote again
>
>http://151.196.92.129/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
>
>My dear Frosty is competing...

Looks like frosty is doing quite well with the votes. I wonder if a few
hundred list members could've had anything to do with it? heh heh.

Very pretty too.

drc

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:54:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

> On the 60/40 bench seat setup, if I were to find another driver's seat
> (AKA: 40) would it be possible to swap seat tracks from the seats,
> making to driver's seats, or a 40/40 with a 20 gap for the console?

I think that would work just fine, except you'll still be in the same shape for
brackets.  Buckets will swap in perfectly if there's already a 60/40 bench
there, and vice versa.  A full bench, however, will not happily accomodate
either seats.  The power parts of the driver's split bench should bolt right up
to a bucket, on either side.  I've not done my pass side yet (soon, though)  
The
switch might need some rewiring to get it on the right side.

- --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Oldsmobile Magnet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charley Buehner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ mailto:charley@rocketship.com ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sidney, Montana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:00:48 -0400
From: "derricklclark" <derricklclark@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv

OK,
Where is the best locations for speakers without cutting holes in the
interior?
Are there places already cut for door speakers?

72 cutlass conv 455
- -----Original Message-----
From: ef01@sprynet.com <ef01@sprynet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 10:33 PM
Subject: conv. top replacement


>looking to replace the top on my 66 88
>
>Is this a do it yourself job or should I pay someone to do it?
>
>Who should I buy the top from, are they all the same?

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:01:32 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: E-mail rules

Maybe the FAQ message I
> mentioned before could contain these "rules".

Ask, and thou shalt receivest...  They are there, now.  Click on the bottom of
tbis message to see 'em.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Oldsmobile Magnet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Charley Buehner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ mailto:charley@rocketship.com ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~ http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner ~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sidney, Montana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To remove yourself from this list, or for other
    Olds mailing list questions, click here:
 http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:02:45 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: 120 MPH Speedo from '73

>Does anyone have a 120 mph speedo they could scan the face of?  Surely with
>a litle work we could figure out how to produce a decal or stencil to
>convert all these 80mph speedos to 120.  I know I'd like to do it.  Only
>problem is it'll probalby take a reduction box on most cars to slow the
>speedo down roughly 40% to get it to read correctly. :(  Still a worthy
project.

     Have a speedo from a '73 Supreme. The white on black round face is
about  3 11/16" diameter.  Curious if it would work.


     Glenn
     '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:09:48 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: hood liner

Message text written by Mike
>You bought one for a GN or 442? $23??? If it was for a 442, let me know
where
I can get one.... Thanks!<

No, in my original message I stated that the GN one is more expensive due
to the Turbo 6 logo on it.  The 442 one is the same as a regular Cutlass
liner - no logos - just $23 at the dealer.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8      '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:05:32 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Beatnik Bandit was an Olds!

Was just watching "American Rodder" on Speedvision and they were doing a
bunch of customs from the 50's & 60's, along with their creators. Lo &
beholds, Big Daddy Ed Roth's Beatnik Bandit is setting on a 1956
Oldsmobile chassis! Another one to look up to, including the Beverley
Hillbilly "truck" which started out as an Olds touring sedan and the
mysterious Toronado on Mannix. I'm a fan of NBC's Profiler (10pm
Saturdays) and if they're not driving a GMC Surburban, they're usually
in a Aurora or Eighty Eight LSS or Intrigue. OK I'll stop for the night,
it's been a while since I shot off so many messages at once.  Now to
catch up on 3 weeks of Digests.
Forgot to mention, next week I move into a 2 car garage w/ a house
attached ;-) The 442 finally has a winter "indoor" home.
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | OCA# 18984   (OCA's WebGuy)
 ---
Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD (President)
http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
Oldsmobile Club of America's Web Site:
http://www.oldsclub.org

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:10:36 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Exhaust Hangers

Message text written by Mike
>Just one slight problem:  No more hangers from GM.  Now considered
NOS...

Mike Rothe<

Well, there was stock in March on all components - I just bought a complete
system with hangers.

Here is what you need with List prices and what I paid for a system in
March

22526205  Left hand muffler/tailpipe assy.  List $125  Cost $93.75
22526204  Right hand muffler/tailpipe assy. List $125  Cost $93.75
25516189  Intermediate Y-pipe behind conv.  List $ 89  Cost $66.94
22520309  Left hand tailpipe hanger assy.   List $ 21  Cost $15.83
22520308  Right hand tailpipe hanger assy.  List $ 21  Cost $15.34

Mike, my old hangers are still in decent shape.  Let me know if you still
are looking for used hangers.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8      '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:16:53 EDT
From: <Jjhelle@aol.com>
Subject: Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv

There are holes inside of the doors but they still look bad. I have a 72 conv
and I put some 4" speakers under the  dash. took alot of work and yankee
engineering but it sounds great and the speakers are hidden.(I also put 9"
behind the seat, when the tops up they sound outstanding when its down I
switch to the front speakers)Great sound!! (good radio also)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:08:36 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: THM200 General question...

At 11:51 PM 6/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>How long would a THM200C last behind a 455?  <G>
>--
>                 Jerry Christopher
>           Mailto:ithefunki@viperlink.net
>IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
>        HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

Speaking of how long a TH-200-C would last, I hit Reverse to leave work
today, and there was a ton of slippage and a rough feel to the whole
driveline.  The trans works great in Drive, but only slips like this in
Reverse.  Any ideas?  I really don't want to drop another 500 bucks getting
my trans rebuild this summer!

How much would a TH-350-C be, including EVERYTHING.  I want to have it
drive exactly like it does now.  Are there any changes to the shifter
(console) or TV cables or anything like that?

Thanks much...

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:25:06 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Remove

Please remove me from the list I am going on vacations and do not want to
let the messages pile up.

Corey

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:54:03 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: heads

Ok, I'm that new guy that has the busted rockers. Not to fear, I have replaced
the studs with bridges, and whenever the $239 finds me, I'll go for the Magnum
set from Summit.

For my next stunt, I will ask if what little Olds stuff I have is worth
anything to anyone. The car my 403 is in is to no surprise a TA. Some how,
through a friend, I was given some heads and such. I guess he thought I was
going to build my engine a few more times.

I have tried to advertise the heads on 442.com, Perf Years Bulletin, and even
a few locals, but somehow I haven't taken the hint that the stuff I have is
crap. Maybe someone here can put it to me in a way that I will finally be
convinced to haul it away. Anyhoo, I have a pair of B's, a pair of C's, a
single K, and a 4bbl intake from 67~

If this is nothing more than scrap metal, let me know; I can definately use
the floor space whether I sell it or toss it. Sorry if this all sounds
cunfusing, but somehow, it is to me. Thanks,
Kerry

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:52:12 -0400
From: Brian Richardson <BRIAN.RICHARDSON@MCI.COM>
Subject: Good yards near and/or around Atlanta, GA

Hey y'all, can someone in the group who lives in GA or surrounding states let
me know of some good "parts" yards that would carry classic Olds...' 68 to '
72. I am new to the rebuilding scene here in GA and am having one heck of a
time finding any place to go and find those places that bring me so much
entertainment. Call me crazy but I know there are alot of you that have as
much fun as I do rootin' around in those muddy, oily places searching for
"Gold".

Never the less, yards where are you?


brian.richardson@mci.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:22:55 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?

Chris;
        I realize your time in front of the computer is important,but so is
mine.I am looking for a door liner,if you don't have one,try using your jokes 
on
someone that thinks you're funny.        Tony

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:30:55 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: 72 CUTLASS SEATS

HELLO,
            Hearing all this talk about changing seats over , i was wondering
if anyone would run through what is involved other than the obbviose(buying
the parts) with swapping a 72 cutlass from bucket to bench. Also wandering if
anyone knows whrer i can get the parts from, reasonable priced.I am in Boston
MA.
            THE PARTS NEEDED
2  Bucket seats- steering colum- speedometer- shifter and console - any
linkage and wiring or switches i may need.  I am also looking for a gas tank
and sending unit and a posi rearend prefer a 12 bolt?

        THANK YOU VERY MUCH
                     MARTY

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:55:51 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Please help with Sport Steering Wheel install

I'm finally getting around to installing my sport (wood) steering wheel
on my 68 442.  Even though it is a 68 Sport wheel, the hub and
installation should apply for 68 -72.

My old wheel (the deluxe) wheel had a cam assembly (white ring with
brass contacts on the underside), a spring and a washer and nut.  The
horn contact consisted of two wires  and a spring that pushed into the
cam assembly.  The two wires went to the two horn pads on the steering
wheel.  This is illustrated in both the assembly manual and service
manual.  In fact, the manuals have install instrucitons for several
different wheel.  All the diagrams show the horn contact, springs, etc.
The diagram for the sport wheel shows only the hub, contact assembly.
There is no mention of the cam assembly, spring, etc.  How does all of
this hook up?  My assumption is the install is something like:

cam assembly, spring, hub and wheel, washer and nut.  Also, with a wire
with a spring that goes into the cam assembly and the end of the wire
attaches to the tab on the horn contact.

Is this correct?

TIA,

Dan

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: radios, Orig. Parts Group

From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Where to put the radio?
==================
I just got a catalog from a place called Original Parts Group... They seem to
be stuck on Pontiac for some reason, but have TONS of generic A-body stuffs
too, good for Cutlasses.

And, they offer neat modern-gut radios that fit regular old [Poncho anyhow]
dashes. They typically haave "Pontiac" written on them.

Anyhow, I urge each of you to look up this company and get a catalog.

US $4 says the catalog, I prolly got it from a web page for free...
Order line 800-243-8355

17892 Gothard St
Huntington Beach, CA 92647-9910


- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:36:53 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: 1972 442

Hi all,
   I am curious as to a good price for a 1972 442. The car in question
is a 1972 442 that is being sold by the family of the original owner.
The car was bougth by a husband and wife off a local car lot back in
1972 when they were both already in there 60's. She drove the car as her
daily driver until she turned 94 and passed away.
Good point on the car in my opinion.
One owner, power steering, power brakes, mint interior, very nice shape
on the exterior, sport mirrors, 70,??? original miles, very little rust
except drivers side fender needs replaced. All paperwork, starts and
drives like new, AC works good.
Bad points in my opinion.
Bench seat, dark green exterior (not a color of my choice), dark green
interior, auto on the colum, no ram air hood, no OAI, no big block, no
cutout bumper, no rallye-pac.
I am fishing for ideas as to what anyone would pay for this car or if a
person should skip on this one. The overall condition of the car is very
decent, just that it is a very plain jane.

Thanks,
Tom

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: this guy needs headers

Anybody can help this guy, contact HIM directly please, thanks...
I told him try Hooker, expect about $400.
===========================

> From Scott4DMny@aol.com Thu Jun 11 00:11:10 1998
> Subject: I need headers!
>
> I am looking for a set of shorty headers for my 73' Olds 350 Rocket.  Do you
> have them or can you tell me anyone that does have them.
>                  Scott

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:46:00 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: heads

Where are you located?

- -----Original Message-----
From: DiscoOzzy@aol.com <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:57 PM
Subject: heads


>Ok, I'm that new guy that has the busted rockers. Not to fear, I have
replaced
>the studs with bridges, and whenever the $239 finds me, I'll go for the
Magnum
>set from Summit.
>
>For my next stunt, I will ask if what little Olds stuff I have is worth
>anything to anyone. The car my 403 is in is to no surprise a TA. Some how,
>through a friend, I was given some heads and such. I guess he thought I was
>going to build my engine a few more times.
>
>I have tried to advertise the heads on 442.com, Perf Years Bulletin, and
even
>a few locals, but somehow I haven't taken the hint that the stuff I have is
>crap. Maybe someone here can put it to me in a way that I will finally be
>convinced to haul it away. Anyhoo, I have a pair of B's, a pair of C's, a
>single K, and a 4bbl intake from 67~
>
>If this is nothing more than scrap metal, let me know; I can definately use
>the floor space whether I sell it or toss it. Sorry if this all sounds
>cunfusing, but somehow, it is to me. Thanks,
>Kerry
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:26 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?

testy, testy . . . .

- -----Original Message-----
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?


>Chris;
>        I realize your time in front of the computer is important,but so is
mine.I
>am looking for a door liner,if you don't have one,try using your jokes on
someone
>that thinks you're funny.        Tony
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic - Attn:  Dave Emanuel

Well, it seems that Muscle Car Review Performanc Clinic columnist Dave Emanuel
has stepped in it again.  The following is a copy of my email to him.  Their
address is dobbs@gate.net.

- ---Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dave, Dave, Dave,
>
> Please tell me that you're doing this just to see how big a rise you can get
> out of us Oldsmobile-heads.  In your response to the letters from Brian Low
> and Roger Green in the September 98 issue, correcting your comments about
the > Olds 403, you probably should have stopped after the first sentence.
Your > comment about Olds motors having 45 degree and 39 degree CYLINDER BANK
angles > is unfortunately just a wee bit in error.  By my math, 39+39 = 78
degrees, a > somewhat unusual bank angle configuration for a V8.  Yes, it is
true that the > current Taurus SHO has a 60 degree V8, and some Formula One
motors actually > use angles other than the traditional 90 degrees for
improved aerodynamics, > but I don't think you'll find that Olds ever built
such an engine.  I shudder > to think about the internal harmonics of such a
configuration with the > reciprocating mass of an Olds 455.
>
> What I'm sure you _meant_ to say was that the _LIFTER BANK_ angle was 45 and
> 39 degrees, respectively.  This really has no material bearing on the >
configuration of the various Olds engines, other than the obvious differences
> in how the cam is ground and in the size/location of the pushrod hole in the
> heads.  Note, however, that there's plenty of meat to open these holes up >
should you run a set of early heads on a later block.  Cranks, heads, >
manifolds, and virtually everything else interchanges between the 39 and 45 >
degree motors within the big block and small block families.  For example, >
since the 425 and 455 motors share a common bore dimension, it is possible to
> swap the reciprocating assembly from a 39 degree 455 into the block of a 45
> degree 425, and with the proper cam have an early-block 455.
>
> One other thing to note is that Olds didn't stop building V8s in 1984, as
your > response implies.  The 307 soldiered on, powering RWD Cutlasses until
88 and > the B-body Custom Cruiser wagon until the early 90s.
>
> Finally, while Joe Mondello is certainly the best known Oldsmobile
specialist, > two other sources are Dick Miller Racing and Dave Smith
Engineering.
>
> Joe Padavano
> Clifton, VA
>
> joe_padavano@rocketmail.com
>
In other MCR news, it appears that they've been aquired by Petersen
Publishing. Let's hope this doesn't signal a change to Chevy Car Review...

And congrats to Mike Rothe for again getting credit for the Firefrost Gold.
Uh, Mike, did you know they were going to publish your phone number...?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30





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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:18:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: benefits of a 4.10:1 diff

Also is there anyone out there who changed from a 3.42 and went to a 4.10.
What are the reselts?  Are they possitive or negitive.
==============
Uhm, benefits are pretty much positive, by definition. Kinda like facts are
true, by definition...   ;-)


Benefits: greater tork multipliction ==> better acceleration.

Costs: More fuel use. More noise as motor spins faster at a given road speed.
Excessive tork can lead to diminished tire life ;-)
and can even break an axle if you get carried away. Not that you'd do that.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:31:11 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?

My, my, my...  I bet Chris is ~really~ going to love ~this~ last post!!!!!  I'm
tempted tp leave this message completely unedited, just to see if he becomes 
the
world's next spontaneous combustion case.  (Naw, I wouldn't do that to you,
Chris-don't worry!  Everyone else does enough of it, I don't have to..)

Ed Wrote:
>
> testy, testy . . . .
>
> -----Original Message-----

	< < < S N I P > > >

> > I realize your time in front of the computer is important,but so is
> mine.  I am looking for a door liner, if you don't have one...

Which is fine.  However, since time and bandwidth ~are~ important to everyone,
direct replies should be used whenever possible.  I've already deleted all the
posts that led to this one, so I'm not sure of the exact sequence of events.  I
think it started out with someone listing some parts for sale, and someone else
asking the ~list~ if this one individual had that part.  Which is fine, since
someone else on the list ~might~ have the part.  That's no problem.  I suspect
it went two or three posts further, though, in that it went on to ask price or
color or something that should have been taken to private e-mail.  The list's
involvement should have ceased several posts ago.  This last post should have
been sent directly to Chris, and mine should be probably kept private, also.
However, I don't have any problems publicly jumping to Chris's defense.  He's a
valuable member of this list (and one of the first list members involved here)
and he's never asked for anything unreasonable.  Snipping of posts benefits
~all~ the list members from redundancy, and the 250+ digest members ~all~
appreciate the efforts he's made, I can almost guarantee it.

> try using your jokes on someone that thinks you're funny.     Tony

I can assure you, Chris isn't laughing right now.  Nor is anyone else.  There
are a few simple guidelines we request to be honorred as much as possible.  One
of which is the snipping of posts.  Another is to keep private posts private.
I've laid out some guidelines on my web page, which can be directly linked at
the bottom of my sig file on this page.  If ~everybody~ would read them and 
make
a conscious effort to follow them, there would be much less conflict over these
topics.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:51:40 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: I vote Pioneer, was:Re: radio

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
>
> I know this isn't the audio list, but I have a cheap Pioneer (about
> $300) head unit CD player with removable face.  I can't even get it to
> skip zooming over railroad tracks that shake the car REALLY bad.  My
> brother had it in his truck for a year, and it's been in my car for
> two, all without any problems.  I've seen problems with other people's
> Alpine's and Kenwood's.
>
> Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, I've got nothing but good memories from my "old" Pioneer deck;  I
bought it in October of '97, and I was the third or fourth owner of it.
No, it wasn't hot--it had just been passed around a circle of friends.
The original owner paid $600 Canadian for it in late '95, and used it in
his K5 Blazer.  My '78 was the fourth vehicle it was installed in, and
it was still in perfect condition...(a great deal for $250).  It was
enormous, too;  it was the "DIN-and-a-half" size, so I had to cut a huge
hole.  I used it for six months, with absoluely no problems at all, and
I sold it about a month ago to a guy with a Z24 when I retired the '78
Delta.  I tried to get it installed in the Celica, but the damn thing
wouldn't fit (at all!), so I sold it, and bought a new Panasonic Rebel,
with the 10-second anti-shock feature.

The Pioneer very seldom skipped...largely because all Oldses ride so
smooth, no doubt.

I've heard more than a few horror stories with Alpine decks...(I don't
exactly want to call them outdated, or obsolete, but one's tempted to
think so).

Just my $0.02,

- ----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:54:51 EDT
From: <Chunsa442@aol.com>
Subject: '82-'87 Steering Wheel Needed

Hi All.

Just bought a new Olds and the steering wheel is in rough shape.  I need a
burgundy steering wheel from an '82-'87 Cutlass Salon or 442 (the kind that
has the padded leather all around).  Will need the center cap too.  Anybody
got one?  Will pay cash or trade for other parts of same vintage.

Regards,

Allen

P.S. Yes, I checked the boneyards in the VA, MD, DE area.  Found
       THREE blue ones if anybody needs one =)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:55:50 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Non-olds, but please help!

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Hey, I've actually seen a 69 SS Sh*tvelle like that. Course, it might
> have just been a PU with the body and interior. It was painted in
> CAMO.....

Quite an improvement...

S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:37:54 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic

The 307 soldiered on, powering RWD Cutlasses until
> 88 and > the B-body Custom Cruiser wagon until the early 90s.

Hmm...  That reminds me.  Just by chance, what induction system did they
use?????

> In other MCR news, it appears that they've been aquired by Petersen
> Publishing. Let's hope this doesn't signal a change to Chevy Car Review...

Say it ain't so...  Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!


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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:49:10 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Vista Bruiser From Heck

Found a website that portrays one hell of a road warrior `69 Vista Cruiser.
Words just don't do it justice, calling it "wild" doesn't quite cover it. :)
It makes my bright yellow submarine look like a brown taurus sedan by
comparison!!

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3013/oldspage.html

I just wish he'd take better care of it.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:55:00 EDT
From: <DHickel296@aol.com>
Subject: 425 performance parts

I have a 67 Toro with the stock 425 and tranny. I'm curious on whether there
are any performance enhancing parts available for that engine, where they can
be found, and which parts (if any) would provide the most improvements. It
only has about 71K miles on it and goes pretty good as it sits, but like most
of us, I want more. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Darren
67 Toronado Deluxe

PS I found new front wheel bearings for $150.00. that's half the price the
first place I found them.

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