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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, June 21 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1321



Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!
70 98 Power Locks
Re: Washer Fluid Bottle
Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)
Cam install question, -urgent
E.T.s question
Re: '67 Olds 98 Convertible
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: Cam install question, -urgent
Re: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)
Re: what your car says about you
Re: E.T.s question
Re: Need some opinions..!!!
Re: Mistake in previous post
All "list "members
Re: 70 98 Power Locks
Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!
1956 4 bbl. air cleaner for sale
Anybody in Alabama?????????
Re: E.T.s question
Re: Cam install question, -urgent
headers anyone ????
Fun swap meet...
Gold SSII 15" at the meet
RE: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)
Re: Gold SSII 15" at the meet
H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!
Re: Cam install question, -urgent
Re: Gold SSII 15" at the meet
Re: H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!
Re: 1956 4 bbl. air cleaner for sale
re:  Questions about compatibility.
442 oldsmobile
'69 Cutlass Question
Re: 442 oldsmobile
Re: what your car says about you
VC Production years
Vista Cruisers
Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars
Re: 65 F-85 vin decode and available options.
16 or 17" torq thrust wheels
Re: what your car says about you
Re: what your car says about you
Norwalk T-Shirt
Re: Wanted: '68 Sport wheel horn button
Squeak
Screech's Chebby engine
Door speakers
Re: what your car says about you
J2 tri-carb intake f/s on ebay
Re: H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!
Re: VC Production years
car show news(west coast)
air cleaner id
Re: Well I'm asking Crazy Questions?
Olds Museum
Re: Olds Museum

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:47:04 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!

1st off sorry to hear about the fire :(
anyway the best why to find the problem is to start at the plugs and work
your way back
check for spark at the plugs ,if there is no spark there the problem is in
the dist... if this is an HEI setup check the two wires that that run from
the coil make sure the two connectors are making good contact if everything
is looking good you might want to get the coil checked ,it wouldn't be the
first time a new part didn't work
hope this helps
Rick
1972 442

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:59:12 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: 70 98 Power Locks

   Does anyone have or know where I can get power lock actuators and/or the
correct, original power lock switches for a '70 Ninety Eight four door?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:01:18 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Washer Fluid Bottle

I am pretty sure that in 70 they used white bottles.  There black in 1969.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Washer Fluid Bottle


>> I have a 70 442 assembled in the Michagan plant.  Does anyone know what
color
>> washer fluid bottle it should have.
>
>Actually, I BELIEVE it should have the white one.  I say this because
>the early '69 models had black ones, then late in the year, they
>switched to white.  Why, I don't know.  Maybe a vendor supply problem,
>or people bitched about not seeing the fluid level.  So I figure once
>they did this, then why would they go back to it?  I have had BOTH
>original types in '69s I've had, but haven't personally seen a 70 or
>newer that had the black ones.  Not saying they didn't, but I just don't
>see the point if they did.  If they made them with both, then I'd go
>with the white one, it looks better.
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:18:12 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)

It seemed to take forever, but it's one the road.
Just when I thought i was done, I filled the radiator and noticed water coming
out at the rear of the intake manifold (this meant one more week end).
the junkyard 403 seems to run strong and doesn't smoke. :)

__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:07:29 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Cam install question, -urgent

OKAY, I have installed my cam and timing gears.  The way I installed it is
with the #1 piston all the way up in the bore and the mark on the crank
gear is at the top (12'o clock) and the cam gear mark is also at the top
(12 'o clock).  But when I rotate the crank 180deg.  the marks come oposite
of each other (crank at top and cam at bottom).  Which one would be the
compression and which the fire stroke.  I don't know what these are
anyways.  What is my TDC and my BDC and when do they occur (in terms of
timing marks).  Other then putting the #1 piston at the top, I paid no
attention to the position of the crank.  The chain is a true DBL roller
timing.  Did I install it right.  What should i leave it at (timing marks
both up or cam down/crank up) for the distributor install.  How do I make
sure that the distributor is in right (ie the motor will start).  If you
just dip the pistons in correct bores (notch forward of course) and make
sure every piston is in the bor it belongs in, can you install the pistons
wrong.  I don't see how.  Also, if I lined up the cam gear dot with the
crank gear dot, both straight up on top, can the cam be in wrong (the chain
I mean).  Again, I don't think so.  Did I do everything right.  Please, it
is my FIRST engine and all the money I saved this year, so I don't want
anything to be wrong.  Thanks.  The engine is a 455.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:17:26 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: E.T.s question

With a 455/ported J heads/10:1CR pistons, 272/280AD, .448/.472 lift cam,
DBL roller timing, rejeted Q-jet, stock manifolds and dual 2.5" exaust in a
'81 Delta 88 with 255/60/15 BFG tires, TH400 w/hurst shift kit stage 2,
what will my 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and top speed be aproximatley with:

1) 2.41 limited slip (posi)

2) 3.43 limited slip with and without 2400rpm stall converter	

3) 3.23 limited slip with and without 2400rpm stall.

Thanks a lot.  I just want to be able to take 5.0 mustang cobras off the
line with this car.  What gears would I need for that.  Also, what kind of
HPs and TORQUE can I expect from this combo. With the 455/TH400, I think
the car will be aprox. 4000lbs.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:58:21 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Olds 98 Convertible

>         "1967 Oldsmobile 98-conv't w/425cu. in., red rocket eng., mech
> A1, needs top & cosmetics.  Rare, leaving country.  Sacrifice at $1200
> firm. Call (416) 465-0461. Ask for Danny."
>

Well, I probably won't be parked next to that one in a lot anywhere, but funny
it should come up now.  "Mech A1, needs top & cosmetics..."  ???

Sounds alot like mine..... "Mech hamburger, needs top, cosmetics, and metal!

Tempting, though.  Probably a ~good~ thing I'm broke, I suppose!

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:19:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

> I don't doubt they'll fit, I think that someone else in here, either
> currently, or past tense has(d) GP door panelling in a Cutlass,

That would be me.  Lots of experience on ~that~ front!

The handles and all line up fine.  I like the window/lock switch locations much
better, too.  (I mainly wanted cleaner looking door speakers...  Haven't gotten
~that~ yet!)  The vinyl armrest pad (with the ~almost~ vertical handle has 
"Gran
Prix" embossed in it.  No getting  it out.  Not many people see it though, and
those that actually identify that term as out of place are few and far between!
I also have the GP console in the Rockit.  I love it.  I think it's the 
cleanest
of all the G-body's consoles.  It doesn't perfectly line up where it meets the
dash, though.  It is meant to ~almost~ contact the dash below the radio, and 
the
GP's dash is angled in a bit.  Again, ya gotta be rather scrutinizing to see
that.  I like the small indentation around the jockey box lid, probably my
absolutely favoritest feature.  My Clarion remote sits in that hole ~perfectly~
like the console was designed for it.  Plus, it's at the perfect position for 
my
hands to reach, as with the window switches and lock switch, too.  The Olds
seats are tight against that console, it is quite a bit wider than the Olds
one.  Very livable.  I guess the GP seats are skinnier.  I've got a GP back 
seat
and it looks at home there.  If that donor car would still have had buckets in
it, I'd have them, too (@%$##&%^!!!)

Other questions, lesseee here...  Oh, the Caddy power trunk closer.  Yup, got
that in there too.  A bit of modifications, but not bad at all.  Biggest
fabrication is securing the latch.  After my 15's blew the stock latch apart,
half the battle was one.  (Didn't have to fight with removing it!)  Another
option I've grown to love!  Sure get interesting/interested looks when I gently
close the trunk, and it drops down on its own.  Love it!

Rear window chrome trim?  Not sure.  Back glass: probably.  1/4 glass:  No way.
Door glass, glass interchange between all G's from 78-87, and chrome trim only
from Olds and Buick G-body's of similar years.

Seats are probably a free for all, also.  Any of 'em should work, just pick 
your
comfort and color.

Never "touched" any of the Buick door speakers.  I'm a-lookin' though.  Haven't
heard of any others doing it.  With the GP door panels, though, that all
changes.

Sway bars?  Should all interchange, between 78-87 G bodies.  Just look for the
fattest one, I suppose.  Don't know any specs to quote.

Hmm.  Outa questions, looks like.  Suprised ya didn't consider the HUD.  Seems
like you're following my ideas pretty well so far :)

You can see pics of the Rockit on my page below, if you're interested.

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 03:29:09 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent

Uh oh.  Don't put that water pump on just yet.  I'm pretty sure (someone 
correct
me if I'm wrong, it's been a few weeks) the crank's timing mark should be
straight up. and the cam's straight ~down~.  Sounds like your cam is in 180'
off.  Won't run very well (at all)  Hope you're not too far ahead of that point
right now.

Once that's confirmed to be correct, you can continue as planned.

  < < < S N I P > > >

Timing:  Get #1 cyl up on compression stroke.  Watch timing mark until it hits
top dead center.  Back it off to...  oh, say about 12' BTC (likely the 6th 
notch
on the timing pointer.  Now turn your distributor until it's ready to fire:  
For
HEI, rotate it until the pickup coil points line up perfectly. For points:
Rotate until the points just open.  If you have juice to the coil, you can use 
a
test spark plug and just turn it until the spark event occurs on the #1 plug
wire.  Make sure the rest of the plugs aren't hooked up though, just in case 
the
spark might cause an ignition in a cyl, and turn the engine a bit.  ~very
unlikely~ on a motor with no fuel in it, but it's a good practice.  Anyway, 
once
you're at the point the plug fires, or have the points lined up, etc. you can
snug the distributor down so it won't move, and complete the job.  That's 
called
static timing, and should allow it to start up right away, without fiddling 
with
timing.  After you get 'er running, you'll want to fine tune it with a timing
light or other methods, but that should get you started.
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:01:48 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)

Send us a photo for our "Olds Familly Gallery " here at  Rowland Graphics.
Thanks ,
Roger

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:09:16 -0500
From: "Larry L Hanson" <lhanson@fgi.net>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

The diesel is actually more environmentally friendly, with lower emissions
and higher fuel economy.

>
>   Oldsmobile Delta 88 Diesel: I am on the EPA's Ten Most
>                    Wanted List
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:59:01 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: E.T.s question

> From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: E.T.s question
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 4:17 AM
>
> what will my 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and top speed be aproximatley with:
>I just want to be able to take 5.0 mustang cobras off the
> line with this car.  What gears would I need for that.  Also, what kind
of
> HPs and TORQUE can I expect from this combo. With the 455/TH400, I think
> the car will be aprox. 4000lbs.  Thanks.

Assuming a mustang can do a mid 14 in the 1/4,and assuming you run 26"
tires you will need 273.58 rear wheel horse power.  And assuming you have
this and wanting to cross the 1/4 mile marker at 4000 rpm you want 3.258
gear ratio or as close as you can get.  This will give you a 14.24 et
assuming you want to go aroung 95 mph in  the 1/4.

Now assuming you have the said HP and you want to cross the line at 5000
rpm then you would need 4.073 gear ratio.  Still making the assumption that
you just want to beat mustangs and nothing more.

See you have still left out to many variable.  I would need to know how
fast you want to go and what rpm you want to cross the line at, to give you
the exaact gear ratio you should run.

Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:17:24 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Need some opinions..!!!

Happy almost first day of summer, list...!!!!


Big fat hairy deal. If it doesn't stop raining on weekends I'll NEVER get
the Delta finished  :(


   I have a dilemma that needs some friendly advice. <snip>

Seems obvious to me...buy the 442, swap wheels with the Cutlass, sell the
442. Even if you take a loss, the wheels alone were worth it.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:24:28 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Mistake in previous post

Ooopps...

I made a boo-boo when I said the price of the car (442) Take it for
granted my friends, that $300.00 is a major typo...!!!!


Mike

Details, details.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:17:44 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: All "list "members

 One of or Mid Atlantic Chapter members can not got to Springfield.
 Alton Bowling  , 919-309-9162 , Durham , N.C. has one room  reserved  at
Comfort Inn Suites .$60.00 + tax pr nite.,Wed., Thur.,Fri., Sat.
  If you don't want to make the long distance call or can not reach him ,
please feel free to e-mail me direct.
GraphixRus@aol.com
Thanks everyone,
Roger

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:19:41 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 70 98 Power Locks

Go to Sears.  They have most anything.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 3:01 AM
Subject: 70 98 Power Locks


>
>   Does anyone have or know where I can get power lock actuators and/or the
>correct, original power lock switches for a '70 Ninety Eight four door?
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:29:43 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!

Subject: no spark -nostart -need help!


>hi all...i recently expirenced a fire  due to faulty fuel filter

Major bummer :(

>well, i've
>gotten the wiring done,and carb cleaned up,i install a new cap,rotor&wires,
a
>new unilite module and new promaster coil  wired it all up, just like it
was
>when running

This is an HEI distributor, right? (If not, ignore the rest of this post)

>but i can crank the starter but i'm not getting spark from the
>coil,i checked the + &- - at the coil and i'm getting power there so what
's
>going on/not going on really!!

Things to look for: Make sure you didn't forget the ground strap that
attaches to the coil's laminations (metal frame) with one of it's mounting
screws. That strap is also one of the terminals of the dist cap, and has to
go to ground (check with an ohmmeter). Also make sure you put in the spring
between the high voltage button and the coil.

drc

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:31:32 -0500
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: 1956 4 bbl. air cleaner for sale

I have a 1956 olds 4 bbl oil bath with 2 inlets air cleaner for sale.

					
						John

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:50:32 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Anybody in Alabama?????????

Is any of the list members located in Alabama near a town (or city)
named Midland City Al..????   If so, e-mail me privately and let's
talk. I need someone to check in at this certain parts yard for a
part I'm in need of...!!

Thanx for the bandwith..!!

Mike

 Respond to....  krzy4evr@usit.net











"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:00:59 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: E.T.s question

I want to cross the 1/4 at about 4500 cause that is as high as the cam will
probably pull hard.  Also, keep in mid that I need SOME crusing power, and
my Van with 4:10s and my frineds truck with 3:73 (both running big
235/75/15 tires) are a tad too high for crusing.  Thanks a lot.  What about
the 0-60.  Should I get the converter.

- ----------
> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: E.T.s question
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 5:59 AM
>
> > From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: E.T.s question
> > Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 4:17 AM
> >
> > what will my 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and top speed be aproximatley
with:
> >I just want to be able to take 5.0 mustang cobras off the
> > line with this car.  What gears would I need for that.  Also, what kind
> of
> > HPs and TORQUE can I expect from this combo. With the 455/TH400, I
think
> > the car will be aprox. 4000lbs.  Thanks.
>
> Assuming a mustang can do a mid 14 in the 1/4,and assuming you run 26"
> tires you will need 273.58 rear wheel horse power.  And assuming you have
> this and wanting to cross the 1/4 mile marker at 4000 rpm you want 3.258
> gear ratio or as close as you can get.  This will give you a 14.24 et
> assuming you want to go aroung 95 mph in  the 1/4.
>
> Now assuming you have the said HP and you want to cross the line at 5000
> rpm then you would need 4.073 gear ratio.  Still making the assumption
that
> you just want to beat mustangs and nothing more.
>
> See you have still left out to many variable.  I would need to know how
> fast you want to go and what rpm you want to cross the line at, to give
you
> the exaact gear ratio you should run.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
> Niagara Falls, Canada
> 905-357-4454
> 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:57:53 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent

The Haynes manual said that on Chevrolet and Oldsmobile engines the timing
marks should both be installed pointing up.  I kind of thought that the cam
gear should be down, but the book says it three times.  BOTH UP.

- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent
> Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 3:29 AM
>
> Uh oh.  Don't put that water pump on just yet.  I'm pretty sure (someone
correct
> me if I'm wrong, it's been a few weeks) the crank's timing mark should be
> straight up. and the cam's straight ~down~.  Sounds like your cam is in
180'
> off.  Won't run very well (at all)  Hope you're not too far ahead of that
point
> right now.
>
> Once that's confirmed to be correct, you can continue as planned.
>
>   < < < S N I P > > >
>
> Timing:  Get #1 cyl up on compression stroke.  Watch timing mark until it
hits
> top dead center.  Back it off to...  oh, say about 12' BTC (likely the
6th notch
> on the timing pointer.  Now turn your distributor until it's ready to
fire:  For
> HEI, rotate it until the pickup coil points line up perfectly. For
points:
> Rotate until the points just open.  If you have juice to the coil, you
can use a
> test spark plug and just turn it until the spark event occurs on the #1
plug
> wire.  Make sure the rest of the plugs aren't hooked up though, just in
case the
> spark might cause an ignition in a cyl, and turn the engine a bit.  ~very
> unlikely~ on a motor with no fuel in it, but it's a good practice.
Anyway, once
> you're at the point the plug fires, or have the points lined up, etc. you
can
> snug the distributor down so it won't move, and complete the job.  That's
called
> static timing, and should allow it to start up right away, without
fiddling with
> timing.  After you get 'er running, you'll want to fine tune it with a
timing
> light or other methods, but that should get you started.
> --
> The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
> mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
> OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:04:41 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: headers anyone ????

I have three sets off headers for sale - Hooker Supercomp - Headman and
Cyclone - fit the 68-77 big block cars - the do not fit
the earlier cars ,,,,,,,,only the Hooker pipes were installed....

                Tanks
                The General

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:49:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Fun swap meet...

Man, this swap meet stuff is like work! Hefty cast iron chunks...

I had big RS signs made up, on Rocket Red paper, of course. With two new trial
slogans:

"We make horsepower AND promises!"
...and...
"When 'the best' just isn't good enough."

:-)

Sold a set of C's for $80, bare, will need seats & guides. Yet, the freshly
redone C's got looks but no real inquiries. Sold one set of forged 455 pistons.
$200. A few odds & ends.

Found a horn button contact & button for my car... just had to buy the whole
steering wheel to get it.

Now, I have a nice [RED!] horn button.
Anyone care to trade a black one for my red one?

Oh, and the small red starfire 4-spoke steering wheel in exc. cond. is up for
grabs, cheap.

I bought about a foot & a half of 1985 manuals, too. Anyone with an '85 or a
large library need these?  Detailed list later... there's basically 2-3 Chassis
Service Manuals, Electrical Troubleshooting, etc. for all series in 1985.

Also, 1981 & 1983 Chassis Service Manuals. Dunno, might keep those to expand my
library. If interested, we can talk.

So, the C heads are fresh, new guides, fitted with big valves, ready to bolt
on. $600 delivered most anywhere in the US, cheaper if shipping runs under
$80/pair.

As we were putting stuff away, we made a list of the items, too, I can provide
that later after I get time to type it up.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Gold SSII 15" at the meet

Hey, all you gold & chrome 15"  SSII fans:

$400 each?

Ron Memmer has a set, at the meet, same ones as last year?

$950 the set. No caps. Under $250 a wheel.

$400 each, indeed.
Shoot, I'd ALMOST consider selling MINE for $400 each.
Maybe next time I take them and put "$10,000 the set" on them :-)

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:55:25 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road  :)

Pictures, please!!!

Kevin Meredith
Okotoks, Alberta
70' Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
 
VIVA Vista Cruisers Online!
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Bob Blanchard
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:18 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Vista-Cruiser Finally on the road :)
>
>
>
>
> It seemed to take forever, but it's one the road.
> Just when I thought i was done, I filled the radiator and noticed
> water coming
> out at the rear of the intake manifold (this meant one more week end).
> the junkyard 403 seems to run strong and doesn't smoke. :)
>
> __
> The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
> to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
>
> :Lazarus Long
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:00:07 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Gold SSII 15" at the meet

> $400 each, indeed.
> Shoot, I'd ALMOST consider selling MINE for $400 each.
> Maybe next time I take them and put "$10,000 the set" on them :-)

Well, Chris, a couple of years ago they were around 300 bucks each from
GM.  So an NOS part probably will bring more.  Of course, providing they
were NOS, and you have a big time NEED for them.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:15:09 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!

I still have no idea what to do about my rear end. I want a 3.42 and
posi (limited-slip).

FIRST, I'm not even sure about what kind it is (if you can tell me for
sure, I'll worship you like The Man)

Richmond lists a gear for a 8.5 10-bolt 70-76 Olds F-85 **30 spline**
I'm thinking this is what I need.
BUT....
Auburn lists 2 differentials for 8.5's
One for 28 spline, '88 & Prior
One for 30 spline, "89 - Present

What do I do, what is correct for my car??
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! H*LP ME!!!!!

referencing pages:
http://www.auburngear.com/402.htm
http://www.richmondgear.com/randp/gm10bolt8285.html

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:18:21 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cam install question, -urgent

In a message dated 98-06-21 05:30:57 EDT, you write:

<<  I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a few weeks)
the crank's timing mark should be straight up. and the cam's straight ~down~.
Sounds like your cam is in 180' off.  >>

Yup.
Timing marks should be pointing towards each other exactly!
Crank up, cam down.

Providing, of course, that your marks are obvious.
My cam gear had a few similar marks.....

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:20:09 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Gold SSII 15" at the meet

> > $400 each, indeed.
> > Shoot, I'd ALMOST consider selling MINE for $400 each.
> > Maybe next time I take them and put "$10,000 the set" on them :-)
__________________________________________________________________

 Does anyone have a good pic they could send me of these SSII 15"
chrome and gold wheels???
I just don't want to confuse these with some other wheels..!!

Mike..  mail response to    krzy4evr@usit.net

'86 Supreme
'71 Monte
Soon to be  '86 442 in my family







"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:26:14 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!

In a message dated 98-06-21 12:10:21 EDT, you write:

<<
 I still have no idea what to do about my rear end. I want a 3.42 and
 posi (limited-slip).

 FIRST, I'm not even sure about what kind it is (if you can tell me for
 sure, I'll worship you like The Man)
  >>

Uhhhhhhh. ..........

What kind *what* is?????

Too many different cars on this list.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:35:35 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1956 4 bbl. air cleaner for sale

In a message dated 98-06-21 10:20:46 EDT, you write:

<< I have a 1956 olds 4 bbl oil bath with 2 inlets air cleaner for sale.  >>


Sir,

I may know someone who might be interested.
I met him at the Oldsmobile homecoming.
I believe that his name is Bob and lives in the greater Chicago Area.

Problem is I will not be able to contact him until a Kane County swap meet
hosted by Ford.

Could I get your number to pass on to him?

Thanks.


Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:01:30 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: re:  Questions about compatibility.

Jerry,


<<<1. Interior Door Panels - How many different door panels were used on
the Pontiac Grand Prix?  Yes, a Pontiac..  I saw a GP with some, and
said "I GOTTA HAVE THOSE".  It was a quick glance...  They seemed to
have all of the power options in the door, so...  Did Pontiac ever mark
their door panels externally, like some of the Cutlasses?>>>

        I believe the door panels will interchange.  My '85 Fisher Service
Manual doesn't list anyting other than a general G body coupe door. Actual
location of window switches might be different, but that's easy to to
alter.  As far as interior badging on the door I can't recall.  If anything
it prolly only says Gand Prix which should be easily switched with a
Cutlass Supreme emblem.

<<<2. Rear Sway Bar...  What will, and won't fit?  Is there one out there
maybe a wee bit better for an 87 Cutlass than an original one for an 87
Cutlass (Mine didn't come with one)>>>

        They should all be the same, as basically all chasis parts are
interchangable.  If you want something better, go with the aftermarket.

<<<3. Consoles - Yes, we talked about seats, but what about consoles....
Who's work, and who's don't?>>>

        Ask Charley B.  I believe he has a GP console in one of his Cutli.

<<<4. Sound System - Did anyone besides Buick ever stick speakers in a
door?>>>

        No, but the Buick speaker covers fit really nice on a Cutlass door
panel.  I know of one or two people who have done this and are happy with
it.  Just make sure you don't mind cutting up your panels.

<<<5. Cadillac Trunk Enclosures - ANYONE that has added one of these to any
car, ..>>>

        Again, ask Charley B.  He has one installed on his Cutlass.

<<<6. Rear window chrome trim for non vinyl rooved cars.  Will any of the
G-Bodies work?>>>

        Don't know.  My service manual doesn't mention anything about
different styles of chrome mouldings.  Just says "typical G body
mouldings".


7. Seats..  Back to the Buckets...  Are there any other seats besides
Cutlass seats that will work in a Cutlass?

        Sure, but don't know which ones.  As long as you have the right
mounting hardware, anything will work.


Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:27:49 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: 442 oldsmobile

I  would like to chat with other oldsmoblie enthuists. I have a 1970
olds 442.   I'm about 85% into restoration. I live in northern
California.  Please let me know if anyone receives this E-mail.
thanks!

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:32:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '69 Cutlass Question

Saw a car today at a show that had something I never saw before. It was a
'69 Cutlass S convertible and had a white (parchment?) interior. It had
sort of an off-white cast to it so it may have been a little faded,
dunno.  Anyway, the car had a black dash which all the white ones I've
seen had, and also black carpet which I also have seen in white
interiors. What I found interesting was that the door panels, from about
the armrest level down, were black, with white above. Armrests were also
black. Could this be the way the factory built them?

The owner told me that he got a set of 14x7 SSI all chrome wheels, plus a
rally pack, and a set of front disks, all off the same parts car. For
peanuts. Some guys have all the luck...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:33:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 442 oldsmobile

On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 babyboo@pacbell.net wrote:
> I  would like to chat with other oldsmoblie enthuists. I have a 1970
> olds 442.   I'm about 85% into restoration. I live in northern
> California.  Please let me know if anyone receives this E-mail.
> thanks!

Hey, babyboo, I think you're in the right place... :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:38:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

Larry wrote:
> The diesel is actually more environmentally friendly, with lower
> emissions and higher fuel economy.

When running correctly, and in proper mechanical condition.  So, how many does
that rule out?  ;)

> > I am on the EPA's Ten Most Wanted List


The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:11:36 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: VC Production years

Just curious, but what years were the Vista Cruisers produced?  The guy that
gave me that 350 said it was from a VC he'd picked up for parts, but never
looked for a year on it.  Thought it had the 4 square headlights.  Motor #'s 
out
to be somewhere in 1978-80.  I don't think I've ever seen a VC newer than 72.
Got my curiousity aroused.  Asked him if he's sure it wasn't a Cutlass Cruiser
or Custom Cruiser.  He's sure it said Vista on it.  Didn't recognize the glass
top thing, either.  Did they keep making the VC's, only without that top?
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:17:02 EDT
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Vista Cruisers

All this talk about Vistas has me wondering whatever became of that $600 '66
that was available in ?Utah a month or so ago.... Still available?

Peter
Coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:31:27 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars

Hi all!!

I am Back!

Would have sent this last night but too much sunburn/exhaustion.

Was cool.
D. Brown got some bad news on the way, but that is for him to post if he wants
to.

Thursday I was not going to go. Called D.B. Thursday night I was going.

Friday night.
First, we showed up at the residence of Chris Brown Witt, but they were
finishing dinner.
So we wnt to the Cruise-In & Auction at the REOlds Museum.
(Dammmit! Forgot to *finally* tour the museum! Next year I guess.)

The cruise-in was kinda dissapointing. Only 25 or so cars, and when we
arrived, we did not see the owners around. I guess that they were in at the
auction.
Dave wanted to find out how to register his 88 Culass International, so he
(and I) drifted into the museum to inquire. They said that he could register
same-day on Saturday and it would be pretty obvious how. Also that the cruise
in was open to all, so Dave went to put his car near the other cruisers. At
this time I realized that an Auction was going on inside.

So I stroll over. Not enough chairs. I'll stand, I do not mind. Except I can
scarcely hear the auctioneer (or a facsimile thereof [they must not have
guidelines for selecting these guys!]). So I drift to where I can see/hear and
hope that I am not blocking anyone. Some Centennial merchandise. Never really
cared for the logo. Centennial press kit. I still have all the
papers/brocures. I will bet that my stash is better. A brand new 1972 Chassis
Manual. Not my year. Went to Bob Kerr (more on him later). There might have
been a poster. Last item; "Setting the Pace." Oooh, I do not have that. Wonder
what they cost? $30 is bid. Karl vaccillates. Going......going....
"32!!!"
Book is mine, nearly missed it. So now I am nervous. This may well be the
third auction that I have been to, second that I bought something at. (The
first time I got raped buying a 626 with a great body but Ch*tty drivetrain.
'nother story) So I goes to shell out the dough, and someone moves towards me
to collect, and two others with the book also head over. The first person
hands it to the second, an elderly woman who HAS to be in her 70s. She comes
over to me and then borrows a pen from somebody.
(?????)
[What's going on?] She opens the book and asks my name. [Who is this??] She
writes an inscription on the inside cover and signs it. [Is she a
daughter/granddaughter of Ransom Olds?] She says that she hopes that I will
enjoy it. I am really nervous now. I say that I will treasure it and place it
in my 1965 Dynamic 88. She brightened some at that. We chit-chatted for a
while, but I was really at a loss. Fortunately (??) this was the last item on
the block and the auction was breaking up. We exchanged pleasant good-byes and
that was the last I saw of her.

Meanwhile Dave has returned, and spied Greg Voight across the room (his group
was seated for the auction) and I eventually join them. They ask me if Helen
Jones Earley autographed my book.
 "Uhhhh, yeah....."
(Still dint know that she was the co-author.)

Now things took another turn, we are still in the museum and I am thinking we
are gonna be asked to skedaddle or come up with the admission fee. One of the
staff comes up and....asks us to help with the goodie bags?   Uhhhh, sure!

So we go through a door into the back STORAGE AREA of the museum. THERE IT
IS!!!

The Hemi-Olds engine!!! It is only the drivetrain on a bare frame with no air
cleaner. But that is it. Right there next to the "Darth Vader" Prototype
performance car.

We wasted about half an hour there watching a guy tring to operate a forklift
for the first time with forks that were waaaaaaay too long trying hard to turn
around without striking the Darth Vader car or the shorty Toronado. Sheesh. I
coulda done better with my eyes closed.

Dave spies and talks to Ashley Jones.

Next we hit TGIFreitag in the Remada in with the Voights. Ah! Food is good.
Too much yarding and not enough food is almost bad for you.
Then we goes and visits Chris Witt. And his garage.
Help a little bit, he is already loaded up for tomorrow's swap meet.

Exhausted, so go to hotel.

Funny thing Karl's sense of direction is lousy in Chicago, but Karl remembers
almost all routes in Lansing. EXCEPT for how to get from the Power and Light
plant to the Lansing Center. (Coulda sworn that was the right way) This turned
out to be good as D.B. consuled me periodically for navigation in my varying
states of sobriety.

Car Show and Swap Meet!
Both were less than I expected. But I did make out at the swap meet!

Got a TH400 shift kit from Chris Witt. Too cool!
Comes with adjustable reprogramming separator plate, gaskets, and drill bits.

Also found a dealership-only TH400 troubleshooting manual!
A *steal* at $10!!!!
I will make copies of this for faxing to Chris Witt (See! Ya do not even have
to ask!) and will see about scanning to image or document files for posting.

Found a future bumper and got the vendor's buisiness card.

Said "Hey!" to Mark Cornea and most of the Motor City Rockets.

There were probably 100-130 cars shown.

One was a 1905 Curved Dash. Owned by James.....Walkinshaw????
Where's my book!!!!!!!!!!
After much scrambing, got back to the runabout. Mr. W knows what I want when
he sees me and I have a pen ready. We chit-chat about roller bearings in all
early Oldsmobile motors and then he is off giving someone else a lift.

Someone was selling the "Pace" book for $10 at the swap meet.
I paid more......but it is worth more. (And my money went to the museum!)

That days auction was uninteresting to me. They let some items go for far too
cheaply.
I probably should have paid attention.

Oh, yeah got to talking to Bob Kerr and his VC and the cars he is selling.
He is located in Indianapolis and trying to sell 3 (?) 1966 Toronado parts
cars and a 1969 VC which is almost a parts car, but has a good engine. My
price for it would be $600. If I provide my own carb, batt and tires. Karl is
awful tempted.

Anyone interested in the Toros or VC? Bob is desperate to get rid of them and
may well be willing to cut a deal or swap for, well any kind of parts (he is a
swap vendor).

Anyone interested Email me privately for Bob's phone #

Karl would be interested in VC for a work car, but still working on getting
parts car.


Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:34:04 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 65 F-85 vin decode and available options.

Hey Karl!
        I'm sure you meant "anti-spin" when referring to Oldsmobile's
performance rear-ends...not Limited-Slip. Just trying to prevent "truth
decay"!
                                                                         Ron
Forsee
                                                                         65
442-Meister

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:40:34 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: 16 or 17" torq thrust wheels

American Racing has the fully polished torq thrust rims in 16x8 as
well as the big 17's (8, 9.5 and 11).  This would allow some serious
rubber under the ol' '71 cutlass.  I'd love to run some 'vette sized
rubber to compliment my suspension system, but I'm afraid the 17" rims
and low profile tires might look silly on the car.

Does anyone have a picture or at least seen an old car with 17's on
it?  How does it look?  If it's really dumb looking, I'll stay safe
and get the 16x8 with 255/50/16 tires, which have a decent amount of
sidewall on them.

- -greg
sick of my compact car size 14x7 wheels and "pizza cutter" tires.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:38:57 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

In a message dated 98-06-21 15:39:53 EDT, you write:

<< Larry wrote:
 > The diesel is actually more environmentally friendly, with lower
 > emissions and higher fuel economy.

 When running correctly, and in proper mechanical condition.  So, how many
does
 that rule out?  ;)
  >>

About 99% of the ones I see on the road, judging from the soot and smoke that
emits from the tailpipe.  Fortunately, not many are alive anymore.  The
converted 350 diesels...and the even weaker 260 diesels...were a real
embarrassment to GM in general and Oldsmobile in particular.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:44:22 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

Soylent Ocean Mist says;

When parked:
"Karl cannot afford a new car or bodywork."

When on the street:
"Race me, I dare you!"

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:02:55 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Norwalk T-Shirt

I saw a t-shirt at Norwalk Dragstrip that suprised me the other night.  The
shirt is from the 1998 Street Nationals at Norwalk.  Usually, a shirt like
this would feature a Ch*vy, but this one has an Oldsmobile on it.  There
was a Mopar in the background but in the foreground is a gold 1971 Cutlass
W-30.

Nice to see an Olds featured for once.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:53:28 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted: '68 Sport wheel horn button

You can buy the hub, horn contact and spring.  All you need is the wheel and
horn cap.

- -Dan

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:

> so you can buy a complete horn button assembly for a 68 sport wheel for year
> one? including the button? am i correct in hearing this or did i miss
> interpert you???
>
> Thanks
>
> Brent
> 1967 cutlass convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:07:46 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Squeak

Message text written by Charley
> Anyway, to make
longer story shorter, pop the hood and drive around the block.<

A very common problem on the G-bodies is that the rear hood bumper squeaks.
 It is locate in the middle, just inin front of the windshield.  It is an
adjustable bumper like up in front.  I spent weeks trying to locate this
noise, thought it was in my T-tops.  Same solution, happened to drive with
the hood not completely latched.  Just put a small dab of grease on it to
cure.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:15:05 -0400
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Screech's Chebby engine

Charley Buehner wrote:

> > But at 3:30 I was able to keep 'er going for
> > close to 10 minutes before my drunken neighbour came over to complain
>
> AM or PM??????????  Sounds alot like here, sort of...  3:30 AM, still working
on > the car, or 3:30 PM, neighbor's already drunk.....

It was PM actually.  This guy is ALWAYS drinkin - the only time he goes out of
his house is to return empties to the beer store - and he NEVER comes back
empty-handed  :)

> Well, best of luck on the break in and thereafter.  Here's hoping you can get
> 'er going soon so the hood can go on (to cover the incriminating evidence ;)

He-he-he.  Well - I got 'er goin and all - pulls like a SON-OF-A-GUN!!  I'm 
very
impressed - couldn't help but shovel on the coal a bit heavily a few times -
twin snakes left and right :)  Even with 275 tires and 2.41 gears!  :)  Now 
I've
just got a bit of tranny problem to take care of - hopefully a sticky valve 
body
or bad governor.  Anywho, pics will be on the site when they're developed and
scanned.  Take 'er easy everybody! - -- Trevor Lee (aka Screech) Owner - TL 
Tech
Co-Owner - Future Micro 1976 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham / 468 BB Chevy
(see it at:  http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/) 1976 Buick Century "Free
Spirit" Pace Car (w/Hurst Hatches) If you have any info on this car, PLEASE
visit it's website: (see it at:  http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/century/)
mailto:lee@mergetel.com Welland, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:12:51 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Door speakers

Message text written by Drew
>Buick did?  When and which models?  All I've ever seen is the crummy 3"
front
dash speakers.<

The Buick G-body (Regal, Grand National, Etc.) was available mid to late
80's with the Buick "Concert Sound" system.  Same head unit as other
G-badies but it included door speakers (I believe 5" round??).  You will
have to check the GN/T-Type web site for more info.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:19:12 -0500
From: "Larry L Hanson" <lhanson@fgi.net>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

Charley,

Mine does. I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with 215,000 miles. Of
course, I bought it in North Dakota before moving to Illinois. BTW, my
folks live in Fairview. I will be there the first part of July. Got any
suggestions for G-body parts in the area?

Larry

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:21:23 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: J2 tri-carb intake f/s on ebay

Title of item:  Factory  6 Pak intake for 59-60 Olds 394 V8
Seller: cruizin59@yahoo.com
Starts: 06/16/98 21:40:26 PDT
Ends:   06/21/98 21:40:26 PDT
Price:  Currently $27.50
To bid the item, go to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=17857902


Item Description:
        I have a factory cast iron three 2bl intake to fit a 1959-60
Oldsmobile with the 394 cubic inch V8. It has the numbers 571145 cast at
the front and D1 cast on one of the runners. All the carb studs and nuts
are still in place and there are no broken ears or cracks. No grease and
just needs a fresh coat of paint before installing. A great piece for
your restoration or for someone building a 60's custom or rod. Also
makes for great wall decor in your shop! Kinda heavy, so high bidder
will pay actual shipping with no handling charge. Thanks and good luck!
On 06/17/98 at 21:36:32 PDT, seller added the following information:
I have recieved an email that informed me that this particular intake is
a factory J2 intake available only on the '57 and '58 Oldsmobiles. It
will fit the 59-60, but was not available those years! Just thought I
should pass this on! Thanks!

        Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at
http://www.ebay.com

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Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:34:42 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: H*LP! REAR END: puzzling circumstances!!!!

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> Uhhhhhhh. ..........
>
> What kind *what* is?????
>
> Too many different cars on this list.

General Motors 1973 Edition Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Colonnade Hardtop
Coupe
350 4v/th350

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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:44:56 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: VC Production years

In a message dated 98-06-21 16:14:56 EDT, you write:

<<
 Just curious, but what years were the Vista Cruisers produced?  The guy that
 gave me that 350 said it was from a VC he'd picked up for parts, but never
 looked for a year on it.  Thought it had the 4 square headlights.  Motor #'s
out
 to be somewhere in 1978-80.  I don't think I've ever seen a VC newer than 72.
 Got my curiousity aroused.  Asked him if he's sure it wasn't a Cutlass
Cruiser
 or Custom Cruiser.  He's sure it said Vista on it.  Didn't recognize the
glass
 top thing, either.  Did they keep making the VC's, only without that top?
 --  >>
  Vista Cruisers were made from 1964 thru 1977. Although only the 1964 -72 had
the glass roof. 1978-1983 they were called Cutlass Cruisers. Then the Ciera
wagon was made and that was called a Cutlass Cruiser also until the end of
production.

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire  and 1971 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:04:28 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: car show news(west coast)

sunny Sunday so decided to make my way to the big city for olds show ,not a
huge show about 85 olds very nice 72 pace car , 3 1970 w30 convert and a
very nice 1955 98 and many more gr8 day and gr8 people (olds people rock)
Rick
1972 442

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:57:52 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: air cleaner id

<html><div>i am trying to figure out if the air cleaner from my 72 442 is the
stock one 455 motor the air cleaner is a dual snorkel each tube about 1
1/2 inch at the air cleaner and they taper off to about 1 inch and flare
out at the end i hadn't taking the time to measure this yet. it's black
of course </div>
<div>really my question is ,is there a # stamped any where on the air
cleaner body to identify? </div>
<div>Rick </div>
1972 442
<BR>

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Well I'm asking Crazy Questions?

Eric asked:

>SInce I've been on the lsit for a while, can I clear up some Questions?

Shoot

>1) What is cam-bank angle exaclty:  It's not the angle of the V of the
>block, is it, or is it the angle that the cam hits the lifters?

Neither (contrary to what you read in the latest Muscle Car Review).  The
lifter bank angle refers to the angle of the lifter bores from vertical.
Early motors used a 45 degree angle from vertical, later blocks used 39 
degrees.

>2) How close to original are a pair of 1974 Olds Ralley rims for
>placement on a 1971 Cutlass?

From what I can tell on your web page, these look like bolt-on centers and 14
x 7 inch rims.  While I can't rattle off codes from the back of the rim, these
are the same as those used on the 71s.  Note that 73-74 (and possibly 75) cars
were available with both 14 x 7 and 15 x 7 SSIII rims.  The 15 x 7 rims with
bolt-on centers (as opposed to those on the later cars, which use snap-in
centers) are relatively hard to come by.

>3) AM I right in that 68-72 Cutlass share a similiar / same body, 73-76
>SHare another body?

GM typically used a 2-3 year cycle on minor restyles and a 4-5 year cycle on
major body changes.  As a result, the 64-67 cars are similar, with bodies
being virtually identical in 64-65 and 66-67.  Similarly, 68-72 are the same
basic body style, with 68-69 being very similar, and 70-72 being similar.
73-77 cars are the next block, with 73-75 as one group and 76-77 as another.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:10:47 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Olds Museum

Next week, I am going on a trip with my mom and my little brother, and will be
passing through Lansing, so I told my mom we are stopping at the R E Olds
Museum.  She thinks I'll need about 2 hrs.  Will we need more than that?  I'm
a pretty big Olds fan, so I told her it would probably need more time than
that.  Do I?

Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://members.aol.com/jcrash7 (UPDATED- I bought a scanner, go see my cars!)

PS- Were taking my Olds (It's the biggest car we have)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:20:07 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Museum

She thinks I'll need about 2 hrs.  Will we need more than that?

Get a motel room, dude!  Better yet, bring a tent, you'll want to spend a week!
(I know ~I'd~ want to, when I ever finally get the chance!)  Two hours?  Might
be rushing, from the pics I've seen.  Do they allow cameras in there???  If so,
get a bunch of pics of the Darth Vader car for me, ok?  I don't have ~any~ good
ones, just the grainy b/w's that Car Craft made.  Evil of them!  Probably the
most memorable article I've ~ever~ read (over and over and over and over
and....)  That thing would pull 0.97 lateral g's!  Talk about the ultimate
G-body!  ~I WANT IT!!!~  They put some experimental swirlport heads that were
rumored to be rather hot, too.  For a 307, that is!

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The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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