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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 16 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1373



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HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!
Re: leaning
Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
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Re: leaning
RE: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
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water pump
Re: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
RE: water pump
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RE: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
1967 Cutlass   VIN 338177M279933
Re: Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing (fwd)
SplitFire info (fwd)
Re: water pump
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Mail Loop
'80 4-4-2 W-30

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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:19:55 -0400
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         RE: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 9:24 AM

I like Flowmasters myself!   Never had a problem and they last a long time
and they do not rust.

Peace

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David L Wyatt [SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 15, 1998 9:05 AM
> To:	Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Muffler recomendations
> > The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are rattling.
> Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
> other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I
> would
> like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.  One
> year
> and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want something
> fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.
> > TIA,
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2 (hear it rattle in Springfield on Friday)
>
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         Info on a Massachusetts Event                         7/15/98 6:44 AM



  On August 22 there will be a car show/swap meet in North Hampton, MA
at the Tri-County Fairgrounds.  Free admission, not sure what the fees
are for entering a car.  I'll be there, and I just wanted to let
everyone in the New England area know that this show is going on. I'll update
when I get more info.

Stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
_________________________________________________________
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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:16:54 -0400
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         screensaver pics                                      7/15/98 9:39 AM

for anyone who wants to send me pics of there cars for the screen saver i am
making dont send it in mime format my computer doesnt like that so if you
could send them either as jpg or just tell me where to look on the net that
would be better and if you have already sent me some in mime try sending it
again in a jpg
                                                     thanks Rich Fernandez
                                            81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:16:13 -0400
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         Olds Rocket Round-Up 1998                             7/15/98 7:03 AM

For anyone cruising through southern Alberta this weekend, don't miss THE
annual event for the Northern Lights Chapter...The 1998 Olds Rocket Round-Up
in Olds, Alberta.

Events, show and shine, parts swap run noon to 4 pm. Awards dinner 4:30 to
???.

Ya'll come.  More details at
http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/kpilidis/rocket.htm

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm


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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:10:38 -0400
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         spark plug gaps                                       7/15/98 9:07 AM

Last week I installed new Rapid-fire plugs in my 87 442.  I did not look at
the manual before purchasing the plugs.  The guy at the counter gave me
plugs gapped at .045 but the manual says to use .060.  Is this going to
cause me any problems now or later? it is running really good at the moment.

Thanks
Joe   87  442





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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:09:18 -0400
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         Cutting/heating srpings                               7/15/98 11:04 
AM

Since I'm on the digest I risk that this has already been answered or
commented upon but since there is a safety issue I felt I should butt in.

A spring and a torsion bar (a la M*p*r designs) are essentially the same
thing. One is straight, the other is bent into a coil. If you shorten the
torsion bar it will be more difficult to twist it because there is less
material to twist. Cutting a coil accomplishes the same thing and it will be
stiffer. Springs are rated in lbs/in of deflection. Cutting the coil will
increase this value. An easy demonstration is to take two paper clips. Leave
one full length, cut the other in half. Bend both so that you have "handles"
at each end. See which one is easier to twist. The shorter one is a lot
tougher. Also, the more coils (the longer the torision bar) for the same
diameter wire, the softer the spring. So cutting one coil from a spring with
10 twists will have less effect than cutting one coil from a spring with 8
twists.

Safety note: NEVER HEAT COIL SPRINGS TO LOWER A CAR!

Springs are tempered steel. Heating destroys the temper and can make the
metal brittle. It can definitely ruin your day (and maybe your life) if you
hit a bump and the spring breaks. The only safe methods of lowering are
cutting coils and dropped spindles. (I haven't heard of anyone "channeling"
a modern car lately.) Of the two, dropped spindles retain the factory
designed front end geometry. Buy spindles only from reputable well known
companies. Again, your life and well being could depend on it.

Nuff said.

(For those age challenged folks who don't remember or know the old
customizing methods of the 50's, channeling is where you make channels into
the car/truck body so that it can be reinstalled on the frame at a lower
position. This leaves the frame, suspension and drive train in the stock
configuration. It's a very big job frequently requiring a new floor pan,
modified fire wall, etc. to clear the trans, drive shaft and engine. Not
easy or cheap but it really changes the appearance of the car dramatically.
Appears to be a lost art these days.)

Bob Handren


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:34:57 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!

>Am I the only one who has DEEPLY contemplated the idea of a
"blow-through"
>turbo set-up on the 307/350 w/elec. quadrajet.?

No, I have as well.  I have a Turbo Trans AM with a draw thru turbo.
Works well, runs 14.21@97.3 pushing 4030 lbs thru the 1/4 mi.  And that
is a pathetic ported 301 V8!  (it has goodies, but those are my secrets,
if you are into Pontiacs, I can tell you what Pontiac put on inside of
these V8's! <g>)

If you want to start an offline thread, please email me.

I would like to talk to someone who is interested.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:43:03 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: leaning

Can someone educate me, what is a stabilizer pin?

The Stabilizer Bar End Link Kit?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:51:09 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out.

It's blue with white top, white and black interior.  matching numbers
350/TH-350.  P/S, Power disc brakes.  Everything mechanical has
40,000 miles on them.  Has a W-25 hood, Hurst dual gate /w console,
rally III wheels. H-O racing suspension.  Lots of new parts.  Has been
in it's fair share of car shows and got 901 points in '92.

Just painted in January.  I'm including NOS (new original) GM rear
quarter panels and door skins.  Current rear quarters have some rot.

Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.

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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:01:20 -0400
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         Muffler recomendations                                7/15/98 9:05 AM

The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are rattling.
Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I would
like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.  One year
and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want something
fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.

TIA,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2 (hear it rattle in Springfield on Friday)



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         Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?              7/15/98 9:04 AM

Where in Indiana is the car?

Mark Hahn
75D88C


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         Didn't see you at Willie's Burgers..                  7/15/98 7:03 AM

Igor, I don't know if you are connected with the Calgary gang of Olds nuts
from the Northern Lights Oldsmobile Chapter.  Last night, about 15 Calgary
Olds owners met at Willie's on MacLeod Trail for a few hours. 69,70 and 72
convertables, an 83 15th anniversary Hurst, my rusty Vista Cruiser. Even had
a fellow with a 72 4door hardtop with 13K original miles and an early 50's
Olds 98.

Let me know if you're interested and I'll keep you up to speed on the next
meeting...

Kevin.

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Igor
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:39 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: lowering a delta
>
>
>
> I have variable rate springs in the car (came when I bought it.  I don't
> know how good they are).  Yes the ride is stiffer and is good.  Handles
> better too, looks great.  When you cut the coil you make it stiffer.  It
> works out great cause you get a nicer look and better handling
> (cornering).
>   BUT, make sure you don't go too nuts on it.  Do a little at the
> time even
> if it takes a couple of days.  Also, when you cut the springs, remember
> that heat takes out elasticity and they become crap fast, so best
> is to cut
> by hand with hack saw, but who would bother with that.  I used a thin
> grinder wheel, bucket of water and a little cut at a time, then
> submerge to
> cool.  Torch cutting would kill the springs.  Igor.
>
> ----------
> > From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: lowering a delta
> > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 4:28 PM
> >
> > Igor, are you sure that cutting the coils will make them stiffer?  The
> > constant spring rate is still the same, as is the number of coils per
> inch
> > (or whatever the technical measurement is), so the length of the overall
> > coil shouldn't matter.  So, why will the coils be stiffer?  I think the
> car
> > will just be lower, but not stiffer.
> >
> > Can anyone verify either of our claims?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jason Adcock
> > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 3:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: lowering a delta
> >
> >
> > >Yup, even with the 255s it still looks silly.  Too much room.  One way
> to
> > >efectivley drop the car is to cut the coils.  You can do it 1 or .5"at
> the
> > >time to get to what you like.  Cutting coils will make them stiffer, so
> it
> > >will corner better.
> >
>


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         Non-Olds, sorry                                       7/15/98 9:01 AM

List,

        Sorry for the non-olds content, but I need to pointed in the right
direction.  My uncle is selling two cars that he would like to find out what
they are worth, and how to locate people interested in these cars
(listserves, clubs/groups).  The two cars are:

1977 Dodge Power Wagon 360 V8 4x4
restored 6-7 yrs ago
1975 Dodge Monaco Royal Brougham 4dr 318 (??) V8
runs and drives, some rust, needs restoring

Again, sorry for the non-olds content.  Any info would be appreciated,
please reply directly. jhurd@neo.lrun.com




Jim H.
'87 Salon



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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:54:58 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: leaning

>Can someone educate me, what is a stabilizer pin?
>
>The Stabilizer Bar End Link Kit?

It links the ends of the anti-sway bar to the A-arm on each
side to help prevent body roll. Symptoms of a broken link bolt
include mystery banging noises over minor bumps (as the broken
ends of the bolt slam together) and ludicrous body roll on
relatively minor curves.

You can check for broken bolts pretty easily by turning the
front wheels to full lock, then looking in the wheel well
at the end of the bar. Feel with your fingertips along the
link bolt; it sometimes breaks down at the A-arm mount where
you can't see it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:01:41 -0500
From: Lance Kistner <lkistner@insul-8.com>
Subject: RE: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

Could you please send me a picture.  Thanks.

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Gregory Zimmerman [SMTP:zimmermangm@email.msn.com]
Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:51 AM
To:	Olds list
Subject:	Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out.

It's blue with white top, white and black interior.  matching numbers
350/TH-350.  P/S, Power disc brakes.  Everything mechanical has
40,000 miles on them.  Has a W-25 hood, Hurst dual gate /w console,
rally III wheels. H-O racing suspension.  Lots of new parts.  Has been
in it's fair share of car shows and got 901 points in '92.

Just painted in January.  I'm including NOS (new original) GM rear
quarter panels and door skins.  Current rear quarters have some rot.

Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.

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Date: 15 Jul 98 08:57:51 -0400
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         Re: Windshield Header Covering Material               7/15/98 8:55 AM

Hi Lloyd:  If you are very careful you might take a piece of extra material
from elewhere on you top and very carefully slip it between your metal and the
whole on the inside (underneath) if the whole is just thread bare it may do the
trick with some clear vinyl repair or if the wholes are too big you may just
have to replace the whole top.  I've used the clear vinyl repair and it does
work - it's not for show though.  Joan

Lloyd Ferguson wrote:

> Does anyone know of a replacement source or how to repair the grained vinyl
> covering on the windshield header (where the top header seal mates to) of a
> Cutlass convertible?  Mine has a couple of spots whrere it is won through
> to the metal underneath.
>
> Lloyd Ferguson
> ferguson@1stnetusa.com




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         Re: OLDSES 4 Sale in S.E. MI                          7/15/98 8:59 AM

Kerry Kroger wrote:
> > ou bet I'm interested in the 70 send the phone privately
>
> >
> >and a CHERRY MINT 1970 Cutlass S. Bronze color, black top, looks
> >immaculate, if interested, i'll send you a phone #.

the phone # is 517.486.2231

- -- *************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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         Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign                       7/15/98 8:26 AM

Where is it at and how big is it?

Thanks,
Marty

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         Re: Timing problem (no marks)                         7/15/98 8:24 AM

backfires could be caused by any number of things...retarded timing,
sticking/bent valve, worn camshaft lobe, stretched timing chain, worn timing
chain gears...Start by checking the timing itself...then do a compresion test
to check the internal condition of the motor.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:33:39 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: water pump

Does anyone know the  part number for a water pump for a 75 Delta 88 350 with
Air conditioning, and if it's available from a dealer or somewhere? The new
water pumps have places for TWO hoses. My car only needs one. When I use the
rubber nipple to block the other hole, it invariably breaks spewing coolant
all over. Rebuilts are available in auto parts stores, but they never last too
long.
Tia
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:44:45 -0500
From: James Thomas <dremwlkr@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
> The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out.
>
> It's blue with white top, white and black interior.  matching numbers
> 350/TH-350.  P/S, Power disc brakes.  Everything mechanical has
> 40,000 miles on them.  Has a W-25 hood, Hurst dual gate /w console,
> rally III wheels. H-O racing suspension.  Lots of new parts.  Has been
> in it's fair share of car shows and got 901 points in '92.
>
> Just painted in January.  I'm including NOS (new original) GM rear
> quarter panels and door skins.  Current rear quarters have some rot.
>
> Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
> Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.

  May I please have some more information on your vehicle?

James Thomas
Olds Fan
'71 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'97 Olds Cutlass LS

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:44:50 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: water pump

Trac Auto should have one for you.  I believe the name mbg or something like
that. Email me at home and when I get there I will look at mine to make sure
of the name.

Do you have a Trac Auto by you

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	JonKrisInc@aol.com [SMTP:JonKrisInc@aol.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:34 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	water pump
>
> Does anyone know the  part number for a water pump for a 75 Delta 88 350
> with
> Air conditioning, and if it's available from a dealer or somewhere? The
> new
> water pumps have places for TWO hoses. My car only needs one. When I use
> the
> rubber nipple to block the other hole, it invariably breaks spewing
> coolant
> all over. Rebuilts are available in auto parts stores, but they never last
> too
> long.
> Tia
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.

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         Paging Rick Copithorne                                7/15/98 7:26 AM

Please E-mail me direct
Roger Utter

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:54:11 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

Case-in-point: THIS is a PRIME example of how private replying
can cut down on the volume! Lets all count the inflow of "Me Toos."
(Greg didnt say "Email everybody and I'll send you..."
- --Jeff Cote



> May I please have some more information on your vehicle?
>
> James Thomas
> Olds Fan
> '71 Olds Cutlass Supreme
      '97 Olds Cutlass LS
> ----------
> From: 	James Thomas[SMTP:dremwlkr@ix.netcom.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, July 16, 1998 2:44 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
> Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
> > I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
> > The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out. <snip>
> > Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
> > Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:53 -0700
From: Jack Woodward <cz4n4w@powertrain.mpg.gm.com>
Subject: 1967 Cutlass   VIN 338177M279933

Hello.
I'm trying to learn if this Cutlass was built from Oldsmobile as a
4-4-2.
It currently has a 2-bbl V-8 engine, I believe it is a 400 c.i., and has
an auto trans. with shifter on the column.  It has dual exhaust with the
chrome outlets that look like the originals, and has several 4-4-2
badges in various locations on the body.  It also has the 4-4-2 hood
with louvers.

1. Were there ever any 4-4-2's built with bench seats and an auto on the
column?
2. Were there ever any 4-4-2's built with  a 400 w/2-bbl carb?
3. How can I get a "build manifest" sheet from Oldsmobile?  I've
contacted the Oldsmobile History Center in Lansing, and they do not have
build sheets back that far.

On the air cleaner are the words  "Climate Controlled Combustion".  It
has twin air intake snorkels.
I've been told that was a part of a "highway cruiser package", but it is
possible that this car has had many parts swapped around by previous
owners.  It has 4-4-2 badges, but they appear to have been attached to
the body with adhesive.  How were the 4-4-2 badges originally attached
to the body?
This car also has factory A/C

My E-mail is    cz4n4w@powertrain.mpg.gm.com

Please send a copy of your response to    eds_desk@iquest.net   and to
me.

Thank you!
Jack Woodward

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing (fwd)

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Igor wrote:

> Okay, when I fire it up the first time, do the little break in run and then
> how do I set the fuel mixture (Q-jet).  Do I do it with a vacum gauge or

Use a vacumn guage connecteed to full manifold vacumn and after setting
the timing and desired idle speed adjuct each side to obtain max rpm or
vvacumn.. readjust rpm idle screw after each side and then carefully trim
bothe sides and lean it just enough to obtain a 40-50 rpm drop.. this is
best lean idle..

When you first fire it make sure you run it or 15 - 20 minutes at
1500-2000 rpm in order to break in the cam.. watch your temp and oil
pressure guages as  it may run hot due to retarded timing...

I dont pay much attention to initial timing..once the engine has run for
a while set total timing (initial+mechanical) to about 34-36 degrees at
3000 rpm depending on your choice of advance springs..  I use the
lightest possible and no vacumn advance but each motor may require
something different for best power and drivability.

good luck


Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:07:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: SplitFire info (fwd)

A forward from the Poncho list... though some people would be
interested...







- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:48:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp" <olson@fabco.com>
Reply-To: poncho@vampire.org
To: gto@calvin.kirtland.cc.mi.us, poncho@vampire.org, nova@post.cis.smu.edu,
    sixtiestrucks-l@chevytrucks.org, chevelle@lists.best.com
Subject: [poncho] SplitFire info

This was posted to the F-Body Classic list today and I thought some people
might find it interesting...

Brad
===========================================================================
From: Kevin Emmert
Subject: Split Fire Plugs

I might have missed this and if this is a repeat I apologize, but I just
can't help myself.....

NOTICE OF CLASS ACTION AND OF PROPOSED SETTLEMENT

To:  All consumers who purchased at retail Splitfire spark plugs between
and including Jan 1, 1990 and Dec 31, 1997.  Please be advised that a class
action lawsuit has been certified by the circuit court of Franklin County,
Alabama.  blah blah blah.

This case involves an action commenced against SplitFire Inc (and others)
seeking damages upon allegations that defendants breached representations
and agreements made concerning the performance capabilities of SplitFire
Spark Plugs.

Kevin
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:52:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: water pump

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
> water pumps have places for TWO hoses. My car only needs one. When I use the
> rubber nipple to block the other hole, it invariably breaks spewing coolant
> all over. Rebuilts are available in auto parts stores, but they never last 
too
> long.

2 hoses? You mean 2 heater-type hoses? I don't see how you could only need
one. Every Olds like this I've ever seen uses one hose connection for the
heater, the other for the thermostat bypass hose. Can't see how you'd work
with just one, unless you're running without a heater.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:31:53 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: subscribe comid@jellico.com

Subscribe comid@jellico.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:33:12 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Spam

I see more messages about spam mail than I see that are spam mail.  It's not
that big of a problem.  Deal with it.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:35:34 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt

Peter Landowski wrote:
>
> Where was this in your car. Under the seats??

Nope, it was in a real weird place!

You know those two black plastic vents on either side of the car in the
door frames?  Well, I accidently broke off the driver side one, and I
was  poking around in there with a flashlight and I found the following:

a pair of sandals,
a pair of boots,
a hawaiian travel brochure,
and the manuals and protecto plate, all in original Oldsmobile plastic
cover/holder.

Weird huh?  I took off the passenger sides hoping to find some money,
but no luck!!

Erik B.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:22:59 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing problem

just a suggestion...did you replace the points or at least check the gap and
dwell?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:35:01 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt

> You know those two black plastic vents on either side of the
> car in the door frames?  Well, I accidently broke off the driver
> side one, and I was  poking around in there with a flashlight
> and I found the following:
>
> a pair of sandals,
> a pair of boots,

Given that I don't think a pair of boots will fit through that
hole, it sounds like somebody had the interior panel off the
back seat area for some period of time. How the heck they put
it back on without noticing all that junk, though...?

I once bought a Trans Am which came with all its dashboard A/C
ducts in a shopping bag and all the carpeting sliced up. Seems
the previous owner went to Mexico for vacation and the Customs
guys wouldn't take "No" for an answer when he came back. He
couldn't figure out how to get the ducts back in after they
ripped them out during a search.

My mother, of all people, pointed out that if I found any white
powder in the car, my car loan could be paid off early. :-)

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:40:07 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Was - How Many '79 H/O - Now ZZ4 Create Engine and Story

Jason Wrote:

>Hey welcome to the list.  I have an 80 442 W-30 that is white/gold and
looks identical to your 79 H/O except in the
>headlight and taillight area.  Also nice choice of power for that H/O. You
like the ZZ4? If my 442 wasn't so original I
>would like to rip out the stock 350 for the ZZ4.  Can't help you on the
production numbers, but I am sure someone else
>here can.

Hi Jason!

I know about those '80 442 W-30's!  They are really cool cars and very rare!
Wish I had one of those, too!

My very first car was a black '80 Olds Cutlass.  For engines it had a 350
Olds diesel converted to gas (blew a rod out of it at 130K miles), a 400 HP
350 Olds (machinist really sucked and had major problems with it.  I pulled
it out and put it in storage), and then a '90 ZZZ 350 H.O. Chevy create
engine (345 HP and the 1st generation Chevy H.O. create engine before the
ZZ4). That create engine was trouble free and took lots of track, street
racing, and daily driving abuse.  Ran really hard for what it was (13.2 @
106).  TH350 trans, 3.73 posi, 3K stall.  Drove that thing everywhere every
day with 3.73 gears.  Actually got 20mpg on the highway.  I ripped out 7
transmissions and 1 rear end though!

On April of '93 the car was stolen and stripped.  I was to say the least
devastated.  I went searching for a replacement Cutlass.  Ran into my '79
H/O which had 63K miles on it and totally stock original.  I enjoyed the car
stock for 3 years.  The power bug got me again.  I pulled the built Olds
motor out of storage to rebuild it and put it in the Hurst.  I wanted to
keep it Olds because who ever heard of a Hurst Olds Chevy??  LOL  Got it all
together and running great for about 1 year.  Ran 14.3's @ 96 with street
tires at the track.  Good enough for me because I also had the GN and waxing
Mustangs was no problem.

Then one night I heard the rod knock of death.  I was tired of messing with
that engine.  Had it rebuilt 3 times and never lasted.  Sank lots of $ into
it.  I was so happy with the '90 ZZZ engine that I used to have so I
purchased a new '98 ZZ4 create engine.  I also purchased the largest roller
cam from the GM performance catalog.  234/242 duration at .050.  .539/.558
lift.  112 Center.  GM dyno'd the ZZ4 with this cam at 400 HP/430 TQ through
mufflers and 600cfm Q-Jet carb.  Flat power band of 380 - 430 TQ from 1,800
- - 6,200 rpm.  I used Hedman headers, 3310 750 cfm carb, 110 gph Holley fuel
pump, Accel ignition coil and module, 2 ¼" dual exhaust with 2 ½" Dyno Max
mufflers, TH350 trans with hardened hard parts, good clutches, shift kit,
2,500 stall 9 ½" convertor, 3.73 rear with posi.  265/50/14 tires.  Haven't
had it to the track yet but it is a screamer (won't beat my GN though).
These engines hit read line in a heart beat.  First gear is totally
worthless.  I lay 90 ft of rubber on the street in first gear alone.  Need
slicks.  I think my exhaust is restricting it and I'm going to install 3"
dual exhaust back to before the rear end.  It blows tons of air out of the
exhaust even at idle.  I've had 2 encounters on the street with it.  I have
only 1,300 miles on the engine now.  Wasted a '94 Mustang and a '96 5.7
Trans Am by ?? many cars.  To much distance to tell.  ZZ4 engines are great
because they have tons of torque, hit red line in the blink of an eye, are
extremely reliable, lighter with aluminum heads/intake, fit easily in any
muscle car or street rod, and are a huge bang for the buck.  Makes me happy.
I'm trying to find anyone else that has a ZZ4 engine in a car and what
E.T.'s they run with it.  I didn't like changing to a Chevy but GM just has
to good of a deal that fulfilled my needs.  If GM would have built an Olds
create engine on the same lines as the ZZ4 I would have bought that instead.

Anyway, I think you get the picture.  :-)

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."






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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:45:11 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: PRIME EXAMPLE: WAS: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

	I think if you were to stop setting a PRIME example, the volume
should decrease just as well. Your two posts are just as a PRIME example as
anyone else's! What's your point, thus far...? In one day you have sent two
meaningless and NON-olds related posts to the list, proving nothing but
adding to the clutter. We already have a list administrator, we don't need
another.... Leave the admin to Greg. enough said.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Cote, Jeffrey
> Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:54 PM
> To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject:	RE: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
>
> Case-in-point: THIS is a PRIME example of how private replying
> can cut down on the volume! Lets all count the inflow of "Me Toos."
> (Greg didnt say "Email everybody and I'll send you..."
> --Jeff Cote
>
> > May I please have some more information on your vehicle?
> >
> > James Thomas
> > Olds Fan
> >
> > Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
> > > I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
> > > The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out. <snip>
> > > Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
> > > Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.
> >
>
	 -----Original Message-----
	From:	Cote, Jeffrey
	Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:40 AM
	To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	Subject:	RE: PAGING John M - supper442

	Supper442??? Do you people eat in your Oldsmobiles???

		>---------
		>From: 	Proietto, Fernando
	[Ontario][SMTP:Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca]
		>Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		>Sent: 	Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:35 AM
		>To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
		>Subject: 	PAGING John M - supper442

		>Hi John,
		>	sent you numerous e-mails on the yard find, not sure
it's
	getting to
		>you. E-mail me privately. I'm interested...
	fernando.proietto@ec.gc.ca
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:10 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

At 02:33 PM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know the  part number for a water pump for a 75 Delta 88 350 with
>Air conditioning, and if it's available from a dealer or somewhere? The new
>water pumps have places for TWO hoses.

All Olds water pumps have two hose conections. Do you have a aftermarket
thermistat housing?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:48:45 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt

was that a DeLorean...hahahaha

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:59:10 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

In a message dated 98-07-16 15:24:26 EDT, you write:

<< Can't see how you'd work
 with just one, unless you're running without a heater.  >>

Greg,
Thanks for the reply.  I definitely have a heater and  a/c and have no idea
why only one hose is necessary. I know there are some others on this list with
my same car. Perhaps they have that answer.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:33:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Mail Loop

An account at a poorly-configured site (rick_clark@lord.com) has caused a
mail loop that is being reflected in bounces coming back to the list and
not to me. I've removed the account but it appears to be one of those
evil email servers that stores messages for a few days before telling you
they are undeliverable, so it may take a while to clear up. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:49:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '80 4-4-2 W-30

This talk about the '79 and '80 cars reminds me that I saw the same '80
W-30 4-4-2 I reported on last year, still for sale, a couple of weeks
ago. It is loaded, very clean and pristine, looks absolutely showroom
quality. Mileage... I don't recall exactly. The number 60,000 sticks in
my head which would be in km up here, so that would make about 36,000
miles, but I'd have to double-check that.

The price was $10,500 Cdn. asking, could probably be had for less. That's
about $6,000 in real (U.S.) money. At a dealer in Bridgewater, about an
hour from here. If anyone has serious interest I can follow up privately
for you.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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