Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
To:	oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
cc:	 
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #1344


oldsmobile-digest        Friday, July 3 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1344



RE: cleaning seats
Re: Oxygen sensor
RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
Re: Head bolt confusion
Re: oldsmobile nationals
Re: running hot?
RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
RE: Our neighbors holiday..!! (No Olds Content)
RE: It's official, 88's are dead.
Hooker Dual Exhaust for 78-88 G-Body
Re: Head bolt confusion
RE: Head bolt confusion
Who's Who at Nats
RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
Re: Cruise Control Question
RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
I'll be baack
Have a great 4th
RE: Cruise Control Question
RE: Head bolt confusion
Re: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro
Re: Brake Humor
Re: Cruise Control Question
block off plate
engine washing
Carb Mixture Ques.
Re: block off plate
Reminder: Chicago area, Aug. 2, '98: Illinois Rail Museum Car  Meet
Re: engine washing
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Timing Tapes (Was Re: Advance Ignition Timing problems)
Re: block off plate
Fuel Lines for a 425 1966
Re: Oldsmobile Nationals
Re: Hello, please don't beat me!
Flooding Problem
Have a safe and enjoyable holiday
Re: Flooding Problem
Signing off (for a while)
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Date:	Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:45:44 -0400
5-speed 442!
Re: Oxygen sensor
Re: running hot?
Re: Duplicated messages
350 valve seal trouble
Returned mail: User unknown
Dumb-ass
Re: Carb Mixture Ques.
Re: Head bolt confusion
Re: Flooding Problem
442 means???  Was: Dumb-*ss
Re: 350 valve seal trouble
Re: Flooding Problem
Re: Dumb-ass
What 442 Means
Re: Flooding Problem
Re: Flooding Problem
Re:
Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book
Re: What 442 Means
Different Flooding Problems
Toro Limo URL
Re: Toro Limo URL

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:18:09 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: cleaning seats

Don't worry.  The headliner will be replaced anyway so I'm not concerned
about that now.  And I'm not gonna touch the instrument cluster anytime
soon....unless of course I have to fix the tic-toc-tac, but that's
another story.

Chris

>----------
>From: 	Cote, Jeffrey
>Sent: 	Thursday, July 02, 1998 11:10 AM
>To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
>Subject: 	RE: cleaning seats
>
>That with a fingernail brush and several throw-away rags
>and itll be good as new.
>--Jeff
>PS Dont recommend anything on the headliner or plastic
>instrument lens yet though.
>
>> ----------
>> From: 	Smetana, Christopher[SMTP:csmetana@dowagro.com]
>> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: 	Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:04 AM
>> To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
>> Subject: 	RE: cleaning seats
>>
>> I've got some of that too.  I'll give it a try.  Thanks Jeff.
>>
>> Chris Smetana
>> Terre Haute, IN
>> work: csmetana@dowagro.com
>>
>> 1969 W-31
>> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
>> plus others
>> >
>> >----------
>> >From: 	Cote, Jeffrey
>> >Sent: 	Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:59 AM
>> >To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
>> >Subject: 	RE: cleaning seats
>> >
>> >Hello, Castrol Superclean works the best in my opinion. On anything on
>> the
>> >car
>> >(except glass of course), head to toe. The purple stuff smells good too
>> (or
>> >is that
>> >just a mental positive association with working on the
>> Cutlasses.....Hmmm.)
>> >--Jeff
>> >69 S Conv
>> >70 Supreme Conv
>> >72 Supreme H/T
>> >
>>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:14:50 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor

And make sure you use antiseize compound on the threads, otherwise you
may never get that one out again.  Or you could risk breaking it off,
READ:  BAD.

Enjoy!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:24:54 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems

Actually, I think the measurements given maybe wrong. I took some masking
tape and put two long pieces together (sticky side) to make a flexible tape
measure. Wrapped it around the balancer. The measurement I got
(circumference) is 20.5". That would yield 17.5 deg. per 1". To get a 30 deg
advance marking on the balance measured at TDC I would need to mark a 1.71"
from the scribe mark on the balancer. The instructions say to mark 1 7/8" =
1.875. A difference of  approx. .2". That .2" gives a 3.5 deg. differential
in timing.  In my first attempt, I said that the newly marked line 1 7/8
from the actual scribe mark gave me a -4 deg reading @4000 rpm. Well, -4 deg
is very close to 3.5 deg. differential. I'm assuming that's where the error
is...

What I need to find out is the exact size of my balancer. Does anyone know
what the size is on a '72 350 motor. I'm all most sure the balancer should
be the same for all 350-455 from '69-'72.

Anyway, I think I'm achieving 30 deg before 4000rpm. Haven't checked exactly
by what rpm yet. BTW, I changed the springs to both MED. and the car seems
to respond better. Mind you I didn't take it out to test it under load.
Tested it in the garage, revving it from idle. Seemed a lot more smoother. I
think when I had both LIGHT springs in I had too much advance too soon.
Would cause a little hesitation. I wasn't sure if the carb had anything to
do with it. Then I tried one MED and one LIGHT spring. Less hesitation, but
still there. Anyway that's what's happening so far.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wagner, John [SMTP:WagnerJo@pios.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 02, 1998 9:12 AM
> To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject:	RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
>
> I;m not sure about your measuring 1 7/8 to get at 30 degrees on the
> balancer..you might want to get a timing tape that sticks permanently
> around your balancer.
>
> Many advance units had bushing in them to limit the total advance. The
> only way to really get at them is to pull the distributor and remove the
> pin that holds the gear on, then pull out  the whole mechanism. The
> bushing should be underneath the plate that the advance springs mount
> to.
>
> You didn't say if your distr is a points or HEI, but they are basically
> the same..but I just did this to my '72 455 and can get 40 degrees with
> no problem if I want it. I have all my advance in by 3000...my motor is
> more of a race motor...and I have a 3800 stall converter in it. You
> probably don't want that much so soon.
>
> John
> '72 455 Cutlass S
> 98 Bravada
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:30:48 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Head bolt confusion

>On the passenger side, I have 8 bolts & 2 studs,
>On the drv side, I have 9 bolts & one stud>
>Is there rhyme or reason to this, or is it just jerry rigging of a previous
>owner/mechanic?

Originally you had 10 bolts per head (no studs). As long as you get the long
and short right you shouldn't have a problem.

Hope this helps,
Randy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:03 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: oldsmobile nationals

On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 <KarlAune@aol.com> wrote:
> In fact I may wear my rocket @ symbol, just to see if anyone recognizes
it.  Maybe we ought to 'dust'  those off and wear
> them in Springfield, what do ya think?

******************
Hey, that reminds me that I have some of the "@" buttons that I made up for
last year's Cenennial Celebration left.  If anyone wants information about
them or would like to purchase one of the left-overs, E-Mail me privately.
Thanks.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:40:13 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: running hot?

My 80 Turbo Trans AM, with the Turbo 301, the 455 and 400 all run solid
at 180 degrees with the Robertshaw high performance thermostat.  You can
get it from Summit, for $8, or from Autozone for $5.  I use a 180, my
455 and 400 seem to like 180 best.  And with this thermostat, it is wide
open at 180, not starting to open at 180.  For those of you with 79-81
Firebird/T-A's, you know airflow through the front end sucks.  Mine will
run solid at 180 year round, and creep up to 190-200 in high altitude
stop and go traffic on Academy in the Springs (Better known as the
Academy 500.....)  If you have been in the Springs, you know the deal on
that!

Even with the 455, temp was consistent.  Mine NEVER got over 205 for
anything.  I have the factory 7 blade HD cooling fan (you pre 76 Toro/98
owners should have this one) and the 4 core radiator.  26 quart
capacity.  (Turbo's and SD455's used the same radiator)

I do not allow my engines to run above 220, ever.  If they do, they are
shut down to cool or have cold water run through the radiator.  (through
the fins).

Yes, Jason is right, antifreeze does not help heat transfer, water does,
supposedly Wetter Water helps even more, but not mixed with Antifreeze
(I think you can mix, but it doesn't help much).  So running pure water
is best, but the antifreeze helps raise the boiling point.  I think pure
water at 15 lbs pressure boils at 230-235.   Antifreeze ups that to
265-275ish.

So run it, and ensure little thinks like the flaps over the control arms
are present, this will prevent the high pressure air from the wheel
wells from creating a high pressure under the hood and that will impede
air flow, and no air flow, no cooling!  This helps a lot!

Also, do not remove the air dam under the radiator.  It commonly get
broken and removed.  This is crucial to the radiator airflow, it creates
a dam in from of the radiator, creating a wall of high pressure to force
air through, and this will cause a low pressure behind it, assisting
airflow through the radiator.
I have seen a lot of people have awful trouble with overheating, and the
dealer works on it for a long time, and finally comes up with this body
piece missing.   My 80 Turbo Trans AM has the big front air dam, and it
works like a scoop too.  I have added a cut mud flap from a semi behind
it that was close to the ground so that it created even more airflow.  I
could not tell much difference.  It is mainly for moving.  It did look
nice, made the car look lower to the ground.  Look at the Impala SS, the
Trans AM's, etc. at air dams.

Air Dams!  They work!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:43:18 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems

From my own experience, don't get too much timing too soon on a street driven
car.  While it will run strong under acceleration, it can cause mild surging
at steady cruising speeds.  I have used the lightest springs in my car with
heavier weights and it comes in quick.  I used an Accell Blueprint Series
distributor which is a Delco points type like the original, but it has been
rebuilt by Accell.  If it was not such a pain in the *ss I would recurve it to
eliminate the surge, but the surging is not so bad that I can't live with it
for now.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:51:36 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: Our neighbors holiday..!! (No Olds Content)

On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
> . . . Now somebody from Canada fill me in on the signigicance of "Canda
Day"!!!

****************
You know how here in the United States July 4th is called Independence Day?
Of course you know why.  Canada Day is the same idea, just a different
country.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:05:49 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: It's official, 88's are dead.

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 Eric Phillips <babbott@pdnt.com> wrote:
>. . .  after 50 years, the Olds 88  will no longer be produced
********************
Perhaps next year's advertising slogan should be "We're Oldsmobile.
Although we're America's oldest automotive manufacturer, we have no
history.  Despite that, we hope that you'll choose to buy a driving
appliance from us."

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:12:35 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Hooker Dual Exhaust for 78-88 G-Body

You would be much better of modifying the cat, the exhaust is intended
for the Grand National Regal (1987), and it has the Big Mouth cat.  So
the opening is larger than the tiny (compared! it is oval about 3in X
5in) outlet of the stock Olds cat.  So what I plan on doing is check out
the GN site and look for a used GN cat and modify it to fit the factory
manifold down pipe.  Should be able to get one for a decent price.
(Technically illegal, not sure why) The shop that did my test pipe mod
said no problem bringing in the cat and he would modify it.  That is my
plan.  But right now I cannot get over how much faster the car is.  I
mean, 2.14's are great passing gears!  Just think, hitting 3500 in 2nd
and being ONLY at 85, and still pulling HARD!!  I have no problems!  And
it sounds soo nice!

And when I get ahold of some 3.08's!  Wheeeee!  (to think I still get 17
mpg city, and short trips with the AC is getting me 21.6 mpg!)

Go check out Tom's exhaust on his site.
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hooker_exhaust.htm

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


Jason said:
>2)  Thomas Martin can't seem to keep quiet about how good his Hooker exhaust
>system is (I assume Tom L. likes his, too?)!  I was wondering if the test
>pipe that comes with the system can be cut to sort of slip-fit to the rear
>of the existing cat and still bolt up to the Y-pipe.  I just got my
>emissions test (literally, like 4 days ago), so I don't need to have the cat
>for a while, but I want to keep it connected anyway (they say cops can smell
>cars w/o a cat that need one...).  Anyway, is there enough room where I can
>cut the Hooker-supplied "test pipe" so it's only 1" long or so and bolt it
>to the Y-pipe and slip it over the cat-pipe?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:17:35 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Head bolt confusion

The stud on the drivers side is for a power steering bracket...
At least it is on my 67.  it is the second bolt on the bottom row of bolts.
as for the other side....
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible (not to be confused with Brent)
- -----Original Message-----
From: hitson@leadbelt.com <hitson@leadbelt.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:34 AM
Subject: Head bolt confusion


>In trying to put back together what I have torn apart (the 350 engine from
>my 68 Cutlass S conv), I'm trying to make sense of the head bolt situation.
>
>On the passenger side, I have 8 bolts & 2 studs,
>
>On the drv side, I have 9 bolts & one stud>
>
>Is there rhyme or reason to this, or is it just jerry rigging of a previous
>owner/mechanic? In other words----does it matter which goes
where ----except
>of course the obvious short bolts.......
>
>Broke a water pump bolt off in the block this morning. I guess I needed
>another frustration. Some days.....
>
>roger hitson
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:29:32 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Head bolt confusion

Hmm, what about cars with a/c?  Where would the compressor brackets
mount?  I thought it was a stud on the passenger head, but then again my
69 W-31 doesn't have a/c.  And if your car does have a/c the alt goes
over to the driver side, where does the lower bracket(s) mount?  And
then there's the p/s brackets with a/c.  (without a/c and on my 69 it
bolts to a water pump stud, timing cover stud, a bolt into the lower
portion of the block and a bolt with the exhaust manifold.)  Of course,
if you don't have a/c this is kinda a mute point, but wanted to mention
it just in case.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Brett Wilson[SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
>Sent: 	Thursday, July 02, 1998 11:17 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Head bolt confusion
>
>The stud on the drivers side is for a power steering bracket...
>At least it is on my 67.  it is the second bolt on the bottom row of bolts.
>as for the other side....
>Brett Wilson
>67 Cutlass Convertible (not to be confused with Brent)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hitson@leadbelt.com <hitson@leadbelt.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 8:34 AM
>Subject: Head bolt confusion
>
>
>>In trying to put back together what I have torn apart (the 350 engine from
>>my 68 Cutlass S conv), I'm trying to make sense of the head bolt situation.
>>
>>On the passenger side, I have 8 bolts & 2 studs,
>>
>>On the drv side, I have 9 bolts & one stud>
>>
>>Is there rhyme or reason to this, or is it just jerry rigging of a previous
>>owner/mechanic? In other words----does it matter which goes
>where ----except
>>of course the obvious short bolts.......
>>
>>Broke a water pump bolt off in the block this morning. I guess I needed
>>another frustration. Some days.....
>>
>>roger hitson
>>
>>
>>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats

Here's a short list of those who've responded so far. Hope the columns
line up right.

Name		Dates		Hotel		Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince	7/17-7/18	none yet	72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea	7/17-7/18	none yet	70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith	7/14-7/19	Crowne Plaza	none
Chris Casteel	7/17		Comfort Inn	none
Peg O'Connor	7/14-7/19	Holiday Inn	none

Keep it coming -- drop me a line at peg@grove.ufl.edu.

8)
peg

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:56:30 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems

Surging ehhh. I haven't experienced surging with the LIGHT springs my Accel
recurve kit provided. Your springs must have been really light to have
caused the engine to surge while cruising. Have you tried using heavier
springs instead of switching to heavier weights?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David L Wyatt [SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 02, 1998 11:43 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems
>
> From my own experience, don't get too much timing too soon on a street
> driven
> car.  While it will run strong under acceleration, it can cause mild
> surging
> at steady cruising speeds.  I have used the lightest springs in my car
> with
> heavier weights and it comes in quick.  I used an Accell Blueprint Series
> distributor which is a Delco points type like the original, but it has
> been
> rebuilt by Accell.  If it was not such a pain in the *ss I would recurve
> it to
> eliminate the surge, but the surging is not so bad that I can't live with
> it
> for now.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:15:36 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control Question

Cote, Jeffrey wrote:

> Got a question: I found a GM Accessory Cruise Control Kit,
> complete and in the box. Part # on box is 982005. Can anyone
> tell me what years and models this cruise control unit is
> compatible with??  Thanks for the help.

> --Jeff


Jeff,
#982005 will fit 1975 Cutlass, Cutlass S, Cutlass Supreme and 2 seat
wagons.
All except L6 or Cutlass Salon.  JL-2 power brakes required.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:31:25 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: RE: Advance Ignition Timing problems

>Surging ehhh. I haven't experienced surging with the LIGHT springs my Accel
>recurve kit provided. Your springs must have been really light to have
>caused the engine to surge while cruising. Have you tried using heavier
>springs instead of switching to heavier weights?

I have not been back into the distributor because it is mounted on the wrong
end
(IMHO F*rd did have a better idea on dist. location) of the engine and
difficult to get to.  Either going to a lighter weight or a heavier spring
should solve the problem, but I don't want to mess with it right now.  I does
run strong when you get your foot into it though!

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:19:38 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: I'll be baack

unsubscribe oldsmobile SAJOHNSON@usds.com



===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================




===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:21:20 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Have a great 4th

Gone for the holidays

See ya next week


Have a great 4th



===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:42:36 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Cruise Control Question

Wow.  How did you come by this information?
- --Jeff

> ----------
> From: 	Greg Rollin[SMTP:supercars@transport.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:15 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Cruise Control Question
>
>
>
> Cote, Jeffrey wrote:
>
> > Got a question: I found a GM Accessory Cruise Control Kit,
> > complete and in the box. Part # on box is 982005. Can anyone
> > tell me what years and models this cruise control unit is
> > compatible with??  Thanks for the help.
>
> > --Jeff
>
>
> Jeff,
> #982005 will fit 1975 Cutlass, Cutlass S, Cutlass Supreme and 2 seat
> wagons.
> All except L6 or Cutlass Salon.  JL-2 power brakes required.
>
> --
> Greg Rollin
> Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
> http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
> E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: RE: Head bolt confusion

<<<SNIP>>>
> Of course,
>if you don't have a/c this is kinda a mute point, but wanted to mention
>it just in case.
>
>Chris Smetana


Thanks Chris and Brett. I do have A/C
roger hitson




>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:57:05 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro

Scott

        The shipping would be around $75-90. It will NOT fit a 68.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869

At 10:49 PM 6/30/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>I am interested in the 69 Cutlass convertible trunk lid for $150.  What is the
>estimated shipping cost to Michigan?  Will the trunk fit a 68 Cutlass
convertible?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Scott Stefanich
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:19:48 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Brake Humor

Dave Cullen wrote:

> >.... Oldsmobile never got a "brake" from GM.  heh heh  Oh,
> >please, "stop" the brake humor! heh heh  Laughing so hard I may slip a
> >"disc" or blow a seal and "bleed" to death! heh heh
> >
>
> Puhleeeeze! Give us a "brake", or someone may "drum" you outa here.
>
> (hey, it's "asbestos" i could come up with)
>

Boys, boys. I don't mean to "pressure" you but I'm feeling kind of
"skid"ish about this whole brake thing. I'm "stomping" around here trying
to come up with a "line" but I guess I'm not "fluid" enough. I'm going to
"slide" on outta here now.
Happy braking!
D-man

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:23:42 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control Question

Cote, Jeffrey wrote:

> Wow.  How did you come by this information?
> --Jeff
>

 I looked it up for you in our old Olds parts books.
(BTW, have you checked out our web site yet?)
- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:18:00 -0400
From: "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
Subject: block off plate

     Does anyone know where I can pick up a fuel block off plate for a 66
     425.

     Josh
     67 Cutlass
     425 / TH400

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:44:29 -0500
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: engine washing

Today I took out a $2 bottle of Foamy Engine Brite (brand name) and cleaned
the 350 in my '78 CS.  Felt kinda weird, pointing the garden hose at the
engine in my car...
Turns out, the valve covers, intake, and just about everything else in
there isn't really black, its GOLD underneath.  Cool!  If only I could get
the rest of the black off without tearing apart the entire engine.  Seeing
this makes me wish I hadn't put so much chrome trim on the outside of the
car. :-/

Bob      '78 CS

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:48:47 -0500
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Carb Mixture Ques.

I pulled a spark plug out today to look and see how they're doing, and its
very white.  Too hot.  :-(
Now, I was going to adjust my fuel mixture and richen it up, and for the
life of me I can't remember if you turn the screws *in* to richen it or if
you turn them *out*.  Also, how do you know when enough is enough?
Then, I gotta find a timing light and fiddle with that.  Hmm.

TIA for the mixture help
PS-please reply directly to me, if possible.  I'm in digest mode.
Bob
'78 CS
senator@itis.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:01:47 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: block off plate

hmmmmm
going electric..me too
use BB Che*y Block off plate!!!
I know it hurts...

Brett Wilson
- -----Original Message-----
From: Felix, Josh <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 2:41 PM
Subject: block off plate


>     Does anyone know where I can pick up a fuel block off plate for a 66
>     425.
>
>     Josh
>     67 Cutlass
>     425 / TH400

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:05:34 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Reminder: Chicago area, Aug. 2, '98: Illinois Rail Museum Car  Meet

We are now one month away from the 8th Annual Illinois Rail Museum
Transport Extravaganza, which includes a fairly sizeable car show
(600 cars maximum; all different brands and car clubs) which Olds
members can enter for free. In addition to displaying your car,
you also get free admission for you and your guests, unlimited
free rides on all trains running that day, food, beverages, and
dash plaques awarded. It will be Sunday, August 2 from 9:00 a.m.
to 6:00 p.m. in the countryside of Union, Illinois, out northwest
of Chicago just off Interstate 90.

We have four or five Olds list members going that I know of, plus
perhaps a few more who registered directly with the museum without
telling me. If you haven't already got a flier, I can fax you one
to send in, or you can call (630) 834-6133 for details. The museum
itself can be reached at (815) 923-4391.

IMPORTANT:

1) I'm going on vacation until July 14th; unless you reach me
within the next two hours, I'll have to fax your info requests
to you on 7/14. Pre-registration ends 7/25/1998, after which
exhibitors are charged half-rate admission ($4.00 per person)
instead of free admission.

2) If contacting the Museum directly, remember you are in Car
Club Number 208, the "Internet Olds Club."

3) You can view the Rail Museum web pages at http://www.irm.org

See you there!

- -- Andy

- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:23:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: engine washing

>Today I <snip> cleaned
>the 350 in my '78 CS. <snip> If only I could get
>the rest of the black off without tearing apart the entire engine.

Try an oven cleaner that doesn't require heating.

roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:48:30 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

Its sad to see the 88's go. However for those of us who own one, me
thinks the value just went up. ;-)

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Conv

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:59:02 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

In a message dated 98-07-02 09:41:07 EDT, you write:

<< > after 50 years, the Olds 88  will no longer be produced
 >

 ~ sniff ~ No finer familymobile was ever made than the 88. ~ sniff ~ >>

Personally, I prefer it's big brother the Ninety-Eight.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:58:43 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Timing Tapes (Was Re: Advance Ignition Timing problems)

Listmembers,

Has anyone found a timing tape that is really accurate?  Once I bought a Mr.
Gasket timing tape for an Olds and it was not accurate, where it should have
went around the balancer and wound up back at 0degress was not close.

If there's a better one out there I could sure use them

TIA,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:16:57 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: block off plate

Josh,

Contact Dave or Karen Smith at Dave Smith Engineering (909) 371-7040.  They
have them.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:46 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: Fuel Lines for a 425 1966

- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA5ED.44614720
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


	As an owner of a Delta 88 1966 I get an original fuel pump and =
carburator form USA parts supply but I want to restore also the original =
fuel line from pump to carb. USA hasn't and told me to build one. Seems =
to be 3/8"metal fuel line, but don't know original  size or form as well =
as terminations for fitting on both sides. Any help please?

Raul
Delat 88 1966
- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA5ED.44614720
Content-Type: application/ms-tnef
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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- ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA5ED.44614720--

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:47:58 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Nationals

yes i'am taking my 69 hurst/olds down

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:25:27 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hello, please don't beat me!

Why buy N.O.S. body parts for a sverely modified Olds?....That's...just WHY?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:37:25 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Flooding Problem

was driving the 72 convertible yesterday. well i decided to mash the gas as i
was traveling down the road. then the thing just shut off. only happens when i
hit the gas hard though. and ideas as to what could be causing this??

Thanks

Brent

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:47:07 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Have a safe and enjoyable holiday

Here are my personal wishes of a safe and happy holiday weekend for
all the list members, where ever you might be...!!!

        "Let's think before we drink...!!"


Happy 4th...............!!

Michael............................!




"If you could explain everything.........
 What be be left to believe in........??

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:48:42 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

I would guess that the Quadra"leak" is well...you guessed it!...Now , really,
I would check to see if the floats are sticking, or maybe they are saturated
with fuel and not letting the carb replenish itself with available fuel for
squirting. My 65 had the same symtoms, and I replaced it with a Edelbrock
performer (Carter) 4V. I know that everyone says that it willnot fit a stock
castiron Olds manafold...but it not only fits...it fit without ANY linkage
mods OR adapterplates.It is a 600cfm with vacuum secondaries...It flatout
CLOBBERS the Rochester!...It was misspriced at Pep Boy's for $169.Cheaper than
a reman.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:50:36 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Signing off (for a while)

I'm going out of town tommorow morning, and will be in Indiana, then I'm
making my way up to Lansing, then back to MN for a day.  Then immediately when
I get back, I will be going to Texas for 2 weeks.  I will have AOL down there,
I'll try to sign on when I'm down there if I can.  Then I'm going to Colorado
for a week, then I'll finally be back.  I'll take lots of pics while I'm gone,
so when I get back in August, expect a major update on my site.  Also, when I
get back, I will be one Cadillac richer.  It's a carmine red 92 Sedan DeVille.
I know this is an Olds list, but I'm getting an incredible deal on this car
from my grandpa.

See you guys in a while,
Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
(soon) 92 Cadillac Sedan DeVille (YES!)
http://www.oldsmobile.home.ml.org
(PS)- If you need to contact me while I'm gone, go ahead at my normal email
address.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:18:30 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

oooo, maybe the value of them will go up !

Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln, Ne

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

89 Beretta
81 Kawasaki LTD  <------- sold it to help pay for the building of my new house
!!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:45:44 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Date:	Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:45:44 -0400

swickka@cvn.net

What is going on with the list :

I read messages ... delete those I do
not want ...

And everytime I check my email ...
the same messages are there ...
up to 300 per day ...

Anyone else having this duplicated
message problem.

Ken Swick

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 18:07:38 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: 5-speed 442!

I was at a local cruise-in last night checking out the rides (I love
watching the confused look of people who look into my H/O and see
Lightning Rods for the first time :-), and in addition to a beautiful old
Starfire, there was a '78 442 with a factory 5-speed and a 260 V8.  It was
the butt-ugly 2-door hatchback version too.

Weird...  I guess back then the 5-speeds weren't strong enough to hold up
behind anything bigger than a 260?

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:13:09 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygen sensor

> And make sure you use antiseize compound on the threads, otherwise you
> may never get that one out again.  Or you could risk breaking it off,
> READ:  BAD.

Can't speak for aftermarket, but the GM ones come with a "glass bead"
anti sieze compound on them.  DO NOT WIPE THIS OFF.  Evidently, they
claim the little glass chips keep the threads from galvanically
corroding to each other, and facilitates removal.  They also claim not
to use regular antisieze compound due to it might interfere with the Ox
sensor operation.  Don't really know for sure.

3 cents,(inflation)
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 18:27:02 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: running hot?

I'll supply a second hearty recommendation for the Robertshaw 180 degree
high-flow thermostat.  Mr. Gasket makes one too (I think it's the same item
actually, just repackaged).  I discovered these a few years ago trying to
solve an overheating problem with my '79 260, and had such good luck I
immediately put one in my '84 H/O when I got it.  Solid running at 180
degrees.  If it's a hot day and I'm really pushing the engine and have the
A/C on it may get up to 190.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

Thomas Martin wrote:

> My 80 Turbo Trans AM, with the Turbo 301, the 455 and 400 all run solid
> at 180 degrees with the Robertshaw high performance thermostat.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:34:37 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Duplicated messages

> What is going on with the list :
> And everytime I check my email ...
> the same messages are there ...
> up to 300 per day ...

I've never seen this happen.  Check your mail reader's settings, make sure it
doesn't automatically "leave messages on the server"

In Netscape it's in Edit, Preferences..., Mail Server.  Not sure where it's at
on other programs.
- --
Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner See my homepage |\ |=|  |   |   |
   \ | / =========================== \ | /    |<||=|  |   |   |
    \|/  List Removal and Guidelines  \|/     |/ |=|  |  / \  |
     V   ===========================   V      |\/|=|  | / | \ |
  http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm   |/      |___|___|

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:47:27 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: 350 valve seal trouble

The 350 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme runs beautiful for having 180K miles, but it
has blow by smoke coming out the valve cover breathers pretty good.  A leak 
down
test on each cylinder surprisingly showed all 8 as tight, all within
specifications.  I take it that my valve seals are bad? Is this a hard item to
replace? I would like to try this myself but if it is too much trouble I will
just have a shop do it.  Also, will it hurt the car to drive it around with
those seals bad? Thanks

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:41:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAILER-DAEMON@merge1.mergetel.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

The original message was received at Thu Jul  2 21:41:21 EDT 1998
from  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
lee@merge1

- ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to merge1.:
>>> RCPT To:<lee@merge1>
<<< 550 Bad recipient
550 lee@merge1... User unknown
Reporting-MTA: dns; merge1

Arrival-Date: Thu Jul  2 21:41:21 EDT 1998
Final-Recipient: RFC822; lee@merge1
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Bad recipient
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu Jul  2 21:41:21 EDT 1998
>From oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca  Thu Jul  2 21:41:14 1998
Return-Path: <oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
Received: from halifax.chebucto.ns.ca (halifax.chebucto.ns.ca [129.173.4.205])
	by merge1.mergetel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29541
	for <lee@mergetel.com>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT)
Received: by halifax.chebucto.ns.ca id <42678-13876>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:46:08
-0300 Received: from ee.net ([206.31.38.3]:2559 "EHLO ee.net" ident: 
"TIMEDOUT")
by halifax.chebucto.ns.ca with ESMTP id <44616-13874>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:45:04
-0300 Received: from default (jlabay@cak54.cak.dialup.thenap.net
[209.190.88.54]) 	by ee.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA22543 	
for
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID:
<000101bda624$8aed8fa0$3658bed1@default> From: "Jason P. Labay" 
<jlabay@ee.net>
To: "Oldsmobile Mailing List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> Subject: 350 valve
seal trouble Date: 	Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; 	charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
7bit
X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express
4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt:
rfc822;"|/csuite/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -l oldsmobile -h chebucto.ns.ca
oldsmobile-mml" Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca X-SpamBouncer: 1.00h (5/20/98) X-SBRule:
Small Fry X-SBRule: Pass-No Pattern Matching

The 350 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme runs beautiful for having 180K miles, but it
has blow by smoke coming out the valve cover breathers pretty good.  A leak 
down
test on each cylinder surprisingly showed all 8 as tight, all within
specifications.  I take it that my valve seals are bad? Is this a hard item to
replace? I would like to try this myself but if it is too much trouble I will
just have a shop do it.  Also, will it hurt the car to drive it around with
those seals bad? Thanks

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:02:27 EDT
From: <SexyGuy928@aol.com>
Subject: Dumb-ass

I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4 brl.  dual
exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400, 403,
455.....who knows what else.......????

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:02:03 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Mixture Ques.

At 02:48 PM 7/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I pulled a spark plug out today to look and see how they're doing, and its
>very white.  Too hot.  :-(
>Now, I was going to adjust my fuel mixture and richen it up, and for the
>life of me I can't remember if you turn the screws *in* to richen it or if
>you turn them *out*.  Also, how do you know when enough is enough?
>Then, I gotta find a timing light and fiddle with that.  Hmm.
>
>

clockwise = lean
counterclockwise = rich

I just went though this :( I leaned my car out  to much and it over heated
within 10 minutes in traffic. I richened the mix and the problem whent away.
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 18:58:45 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Head bolt confusion

At 08:45 AM 7/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>In trying to put back together what I have torn apart (the 350 engine from
>my 68 Cutlass S conv), I'm trying to make sense of the head bolt situation.
>
>On the passenger side, I have 8 bolts & 2 studs,
>
>On the drv side, I have 9 bolts & one stud>
>

On my '66 330 the second lower bolt on each side (from the front)
was a stud. the drivers side was used to muont the PS pump and the passenger
side one was unused.

They were allso on the '78 403. the one on the passenger side was for an AC
bracket
and I'm not sure what the one on the drivers was for (stuff was missing).


__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:07:06 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:

> was driving the 72 convertible yesterday. well i decided to mash the gas as i
> was traveling down the road. then the thing just shut off. only happens when 
i
> hit the gas hard though. and ideas as to what could be causing this??
>
> Thanks
>
> Brent


Brent,
When you say the thing just shuts off, do you mean that you have to actually
turn the key to get it running again, or is it more of a bog that is ok after
you let up on the throttle? Could be several things.  To help diagnose, I'll
need clarification on the symptoms. - -- Greg Rollin Supercars Unlimited (Where
Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249 http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:12:43 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 442 means???  Was: Dumb-*ss

> I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4 brl.  dual
> exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400, 403,
> 455.....who knows what else.......????

How about 4 speed 4 bbl dual exhaust.  That's the generally accepted meaning.
They've strayed from that once or twice, but for the most part it's coverred.

Oh, the other one was 4 cylinder, 4 valves/cylinder, and 2 seconds slower than
the real 442!!!

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!  Just checking your pulse, seeing if anyone's awake out 
there
;)  (No flames on that thread again, OK?)

- --
Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner See my homepage |\ |=|  |   |   |
   \ | / =========================== \ | /    |<||=|  |   |   |
    \|/  List Removal and Guidelines  \|/     |/ |=|  |  / \  |
     V   ===========================   V      |\/|=|  | / | \ |
  http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm   |/      |___|___|

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:25:09 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 350 valve seal trouble

>I take it that my valve seals are bad? Is this a hard item to replace?

It's a really easy job if you have a head on valve spring compressor and an
air compressor. A compression guage with a quick connect on the hose comes
in handy also, (used to connect the air compressor to) or a piece of air
hose with a male threaded end with thats the  same size and thread pattern
as your spark plug.

Assuming you have the valve covers and rocker arms off, do the following.

Remove the spark plug for the cylinder you are working on (or all of them
for that matter) and screw in the hose piece from the compression gauge or
whatever else you've rigged up and connect the compressor hose to it. This
keeps the valve up while you have the spring off.

Compress the valve spring and remove the locks, retainer and spring.
Pull off the valve seal and replace it with a new umbrella. Reinstall the
spring, retainer and locks. Repeat this untill you're done and reinstall the
rocker arms and cover. Pat yourself on the back, go for a spin and have a
beer.

Shouldn't take more than an hour or two tops.

Have fun,
Randy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:44:43 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

In a message dated 98-07-02 19:50:46 EDT, you write:

<<
 I would guess that the Quadra"leak" is well...you guessed it!...Now , really,
 I would check to see if the floats are sticking, or maybe they are saturated
 with fuel and not letting the carb replenish itself with available fuel for
 squirting. My 65 had the same symtoms, and I replaced it with a Edelbrock
 performer (Carter) 4V. I know that everyone says that it willnot fit a stock
 castiron Olds manafold...but it not only fits...it fit without ANY linkage
 mods OR adapterplates.It is a 600cfm with vacuum secondaries...It flatout
 CLOBBERS the Rochester!...It was misspriced at Pep Boy's for $169.Cheaper
than
 a reman.

  >>

They are basically the same carbs.  You should be able to get the same amount
of performance from either by tuning the carb.  Also, the leaking of the
Quadrajet can be fixed by covering the wells under the float bowl (right
terminology here guys?... can't remember...) with epoxy.  The only reason I'd
replace the Quadrajet is if the float bowl portion is bent/out-of-line, etc,
or the are some other major problems.

A rebuild kit, and a jet change and they work great, and cost less than even
the Edelbrock....

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:46:47 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass

>I've always had the question of how come 442 stands for 400 ci.  4 brl.
dual
>exhaust, but yet the come w/all different size engines 260, 307 400,
403,455.....who knows what else.......????

Let's try 4 barrel, 4 speed ,dual exhaust. A friend of mine in high school
bought a 69 442 with a 350 2v, dual exhaust and a powerglide. The guy he
bought it from swore it was original. We were too dumb to check the numbers.
Anyway it didn't matter and that's the car that turned me into an Olds nut.
Two months later I sold the 65 289 Mustang and the 74 piece of sh-t six
cylinder Camaro and bought a 70 Cutlass S. First of 5 and soon to be 6
(right Bob, see you the 11th if you're reading this). Two each 71 to 72.
Anyway, who cares what the 69 had in it, it got me hooked for life!

Uh ho, I'm rambling, waste of bandwidth!!!!!!!! Sorry, I guess I miss Chris
and his Witt. Had to reprimand (that doesn't look right) myself.

Chris says he'll probably be back next year.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:54:01 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: What 442 Means

The following meanings for 442 appeared in Oldsmobile TV commercials and
magazine advertisements in 1964 and 1965 (The TV commercials video tape is
available from the RE Olds museum in Lanising, MI):

When Olds released the 442 in Mid 1964, it was equipped with a 330 cubic
inch motor, a 4 barrel carburetor, a 4 speed transmission and dual exhaust.
They advertised 442 to mean:
4: 4 barrel carburetor
4: 4 speed transmission
2: Dual exhaust

In 1965, as the muscle car wars heated up, so did Oldsmobile.  They beefed
up the engine size to 400 cubic inches and offered an optional 3 speed
automatic transmission in addition to the standard manual transmission.
Exhaust system was again dual. They changed their advertising strategy to:
4: four hundred cubic inches
4: 4 barrel carburetor
2: Dual exhaust

As far as I know, Oldsmobile did no further advertising or promotion of the
meaning of 442 after the 1965 advertising campaign.

Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:36:52 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

also i just had the carb rebuilt about 3 months ago. so i dont think it needs
rebuilding. could it be ignition related?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:35:16 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

Greg, the engine stops dead. i then have to turn the key to get it goin again.

Brent

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:59:48 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re:

Are you using Netscape?  Check edit, preferences, mail&groups, mail
server and if you have the box checked for leave messages on local
hard drive or leave messages on server after retrieval.  Leave
messages on server will download each time you check for messages.
May also have it set for download a max. of 300 messages.

Ken Swick wrote:

> swickka@cvn.net
>
> What is going on with the list :
>
> I read messages ... delete those I do
> not want ...
>
> And everytime I check my email ...
> the same messages are there ...
> up to 300 per day ...
>
> Anyone else having this duplicated
> message problem.
>
> Ken Swick



- --
Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:49:39 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book

Hi Greg,
You may already be aware of this, but there are a couple of errors regarding
date coding of parts in the current "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book.  I found
that the date coding information regarding Transmissions and Rear Axles in
my 1970 Assembly Manual (Section 0, Page 22) differ from the ones published
in your book.  The "month" codes in the Assembly manual are different than
the ones in your book.

It would also be great if you could add info regarding the use of the Julian
date code on castings and information regarding the model year production
schedule (Mid-July to the end of June, I think).

I noticed on the Olds E-mail list that you are planning to release an
updated "4-4-2 by the Numbers" soon, and I thought this might help. I look
forward to its release.

Hope I'm not asking for too much !

Thanks,
Brad
Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:52:25 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: What 442 Means

That's correct, Brad.  The next deviation was the Tri-Carb in '66 ( 642 ?).
 Olds gave up on trying to keep up with it.  There was no further
"official" definition for it.

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: What 442 Means
> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:54 PM
>
> The following meanings for 442 appeared in Oldsmobile TV commercials and
> magazine advertisements in 1964 and 1965 (The TV commercials video tape
is
> available from the RE Olds museum in Lanising, MI):
>
> When Olds released the 442 in Mid 1964, it was equipped with a 330 cubic
> inch motor, a 4 barrel carburetor, a 4 speed transmission and dual
exhaust.
> They advertised 442 to mean:
> 4: 4 barrel carburetor
> 4: 4 speed transmission
> 2: Dual exhaust
>
> In 1965, as the muscle car wars heated up, so did Oldsmobile.  They
beefed
> up the engine size to 400 cubic inches and offered an optional 3 speed
> automatic transmission in addition to the standard manual transmission.
> Exhaust system was again dual. They changed their advertising strategy
to:
> 4: four hundred cubic inches
> 4: 4 barrel carburetor
> 2: Dual exhaust
>
> As far as I know, Oldsmobile did no further advertising or promotion of
the
> meaning of 442 after the 1965 advertising campaign.
>
> Brad Otto
> '69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
> '70 442 W-30 Hardtop
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Different Flooding Problems

I was trying to show off to some goof in a stang a few days ago, I hit the
gas in my 86 Ciera GT, and it stalls.  Not completely, it came back when I
took my foot off the pedal, but it was damn annoying.  The car'd been
running for 10 minutes...

It's a fuel-injected 3.8L V6.

Where should I start?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 22:01:11 -0700
From: "Greg Yonge" <gsyonge@pe.net>
Subject: Toro Limo URL

Hi all,

Could someone e-mail me privately with the url for the picture of the Toro
limo?
I accidentally deleted the message that contained it...

(Guess that'll teach me to be more careful with the 'Select All' option....
;) )

TIA

Greg Yonge - OCA 029415
1969 Cutlass S Covt.
1965 442 Covt.
1992 Achieva SC

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 01:16:20 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Toro Limo URL

Greg Yonge wrote:

> Hi all,
> Could someone e-mail me privately with the url for the picture of the Toro
> limo?

Greg,

Here ay go!

http://www.toronado.org/68limo.htm

Sparky

- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #1344
*********************************
