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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, July 15 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1368



external size of olds small blocks
t-tops
Re: external size of olds small blocks
Re: t-tops
1964 F-85/CUTLASS
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Re: Edelbrock manifold and carb question.
W-31 drivetrain rebuilding
Re: external size of olds small blocks
Re: 1964 F-85/CUTLASS
Value of this W30
t-tops on 82 cutlass
Re: Value of this W30
RE: Value of this W30
Modifying a 330
RE: olds parts in CA
RE: Hood question
block hugger headers
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Re: 1964 F-85/CUTLASS]
Re: Value of this W30
Re: Don't split the list
Re: block hugger headers
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Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
Re: block hugger headers
Re: door panel replacements
RE: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
RE: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
Re: door panel replacements
Convertible top installation
Trans cooler lines...
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Thank you and other subjects...
Anyone in Port Richey or thereabouts?
RE: Re: Split the list?
PICS
Re: Value of this W30
Window Glass Question
Re: door panel replacements
Re: Brake Fluid
Re: Trans cooler lines...
Re: Split the list.
Re: R 12 TO R 134
Re: Window Glass Question
Re: Hood question
RE: Value of this W30
Re: Window Glass Question
RE: Olds List
Re: Brake Fluid (long)
need classic Gragar center caps
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Re: Uh,  Peg, Everybody.....(SOM Saga)
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1366
Re: lowering a delta
Re: Opinions: Re 1984 Delta 88
Re: lowering a delta
Timing problem (no marks)
72 442 console with Dualgate
Re: lowering a delta
top motor rebuild
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Axle for 66 Jetstar 88?
Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Re: R 12 TO R 134
Re: Who's Who at Nats Update
Re: Timing problem (no marks)
Re: Timing problem (no marks)
Heading to Nat's
Towing with a Buick Roadmaster
Re: 72 442 console with Dualgate
Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)
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Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: external size of olds small blocks

I'm considering purchasing a '25 Chevy to hot rod.  Only hitch is, the
engine bay is real teeny, 22" wide and 24" long.  Is there an olds V8
that would fit into there?

Thanks a lot,
Ed

PS.  Please don't hate me about the chevy thing ;)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:03:50 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: t-tops

does anyone know anybody that still puts t-tops in an 82 cutlass supreme if so
email me at rich6986@aol.com  thanks for any help

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: external size of olds small blocks

- ---Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm considering purchasing a '25 Chevy to hot rod.  Only hitch is,
the
> engine bay is real teeny, 22" wide and 24" long.  Is there an olds V8
> that would fit into there?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Ed
>
> PS.  Please don't hate me about the chevy thing ;)
>
I'll check with Anglia bug about possible mods on this,He had a BIG
motor in his Anglia(little bitty English F*rd.He's my "old car hookup"
P.s. Why would we HATE you,at least you're going OLDS with it!!!!:)
      John
==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: t-tops

- ---RICH6986@aol.com wrote:
>
> does anyone know anybody that still puts t-tops in an 82 cutlass
supreme if so
> email me at rich6986@aol.com  thanks for any help

I know this may not help...I've got a roof section,know where anther
car complete with top is.Not sure where the roof reinforcement is if
it's in the roof I got that much.What area are you in ,we have alot of
custom places around here for convertible ,Targa top,sun/moonroof
conversions.I could check for you.
       John

==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:33:41 -0700
From: Jose.Trejo@pactel.COM
Subject: 1964 F-85/CUTLASS

Hi, would anybody happen to have the FRONT, LEFT & RIGHT FENDER WHEEL WELL
MOULDINGS for a 1964 F-85/Cutlass????  Or know of a place where I can pick
them up????  Thanks!!!!

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:13 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

See ya all in a week or so

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:32:49 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock manifold and carb question.

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> Yes it will, I'm running the same setup on my '71 cutlass.  The reason
> they said it won't fit is because the throttle arm on the carb hits
> the EGR block-off plate.  the solution is to use a 1" spacer under the
> carb, and to also bend the bottom of the throttle arm to clear the EGR
> top.  I also used a dremel tool to grind a little aluminum away so the
> throttle return spring didn't bind up.  It's easy.  Also, a drop base
> aircleaner doesn't fit on my carb because of the braided line and
> aluminum fitting going to the carb.  No worries though, with a flat
> base and a 4" high K&N filter, it still fits under the hood.

Is there any special 1" adapter I should be using?

> A universal chrome throttle cable bracket from Summit is also nice to
> have.

Why's that? For looks?

Also, you'll have to pardon me for my ignorance, but what is the
difference between a throttle bracket and one that is compatible with a
auto kick down transmission?

Thanks again all!

Erik B

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:40:36 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: W-31 drivetrain rebuilding

Well all, since the original tranny in my W-31 needs a rebuild and I
know the convertor is dependant upon some of the items in the motor I
figured now would be a good time to start considering what parts I
should use in my tranny and engine rebuilds.  Since the transmission is
going first I figured I would concentrate on torque convertor and stall
speed but this depends on what goes into the motor.  So, what are some
suggestions on torque convertors and parts I should put in the motor?
The only restrictions I have are a) stock exhaust manifolds (ie no
headers)   b) stock intake (ie no performer)   c) original q-jet (or at
least the 29255 numbered replacement I have, until I can locate a
7029255)   d) original distributor (ie no hei)  Basically the drivetrain
will look stock, but it will in now way perform stock.  I want to at
least duplicate the factory rating of 325hp and I believe 360ft lbs of
torque.  Some of the items I've already decided on are ARP rod bolts and
main studs/bolts, bronze valve guides (from who not sure yet), hi-perf
valves (from who?), I'm toying with the idea of Harland Sharp roller
rockers but roller rockers would probably be a good choice.  what about
rings?  I've heard Speed Pro plasma moly are good, what about Total Seal
rings?  How about bearings both main and rod?  What are some good
brands?  For pistons, obviously the first choice would be TRW forged,
but are there any other suggestions?  Then there's the cam (remember
W-31s don't have power brakes, so generating enough vacuum for these is
not a concern), Mondello/Eagle grind or someone else or a custom ground
one?  What about torque convertor brand and stall speed?  Would a shift
kit be something I should consider or would a rebuilt of the tranny with
HD parts be good enough.  I plan on taking the car to the strip on
occasion because ... well ... it's a musclecar.
Basically if you had the restrictions from above and that the car must
retain its driveability (ie I don't want something that requires 110
octane and sucks gas at 1 gallon per mile) and money is not an object
.... well ok a little bit of an object, but not as high on the list
as....all together now...more power R-R-R, what would you do?  Part
numbers with your recommendations would be extremely helpful but not
necessary.

Of course one course of action is to just go with a 'generic' convertor
now and when the rebuilt motor goes in next spring, then do the
convertor upgrade if necessary.

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 driveable but no 3rd gear
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:40:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: external size of olds small blocks

> I'll check with Anglia bug about possible mods on this,He had a BIG
> motor in his Anglia(little bitty English F*rd.He's my "old car hookup"
> P.s. Why would we HATE you,at least you're going OLDS with it!!!!:)

Thanks for checking with him.  I hope he turns something up.

I'd like to put an olds engine into the car, but I think I'd rather put a
(cringe) small block chevy in than recess the firewall.  One of those
will *barely* fit.  If he knows of any other motors than fit, please tell me!

Thanks,
Ed

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:09:49 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 F-85/CUTLASS

i will go look at the one i fond today and i will let you know
tonight if its a 64,dose it have to be a 64?will a 65,65 work?
>
>Hi, would anybody happen to have the FRONT, LEFT & RIGHT FENDER WHEEL
WELL
>MOULDINGS for a 1964 F-85/Cutlass????  Or know of a place where I can
pick
>them up????  Thanks!!!!
>


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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:16:46 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Value of this W30

resending.....

Saw a 70 W30 advertised in the Washington Post last weekend and went to look at
it.  This is basically the car:

1970 442 W30, very complete, including functioning OAI hood, W30 intake, F
heads, 3:23 posi rear, power windows, tilt, A/C, rare? ralley red paint, dual
gate, very good original interior, PDB, red fender wells, orig owner car from
California, all numbers match, good bumpers, solid frame and floors, good
chrome, headliner, dash, carpet.  Little rust in right rear qrt repairable with
patch panel, bad second paint job, vinyl roof starting to peel.  He wants $7900
OBO.  Oh, and it won't start, claims the engine was redone 20K miles ago (odo
reads 81K) but it has sat the last 3 years.

I think this is a bit high priced.  Assuming the engine is easily fixable,
which may be a stretch, it would still take a good $3000 paint job and body
work to make it look good.  Then there's the extra costs to fix stuff that has
rotted from sitting so long.  I'm thinking a more reasonable price is around
$4000, unless he can prove the condition of the engine.  What do you guys
think?

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:15:14 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: t-tops on 82 cutlass

does anyone no anybody that can do t-tops near ct any help would be
appriciated
        Rich
    81 cutlass supreme
    82 cutlass supreme
    85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:25:45 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Value of this W30

$4000 sounds like a good price for that car if you can talk him down to to
that i would take the car I just bought an 82 cutlass the guy wanted $2000 for
it body was in mint condition the engine had 60k miles on it all it needed was
a head gasket to run perfectly and I talked him down and paid $200 for it so
so try talking him down you never know you may even be able to get it cheaper

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:36:57 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Value of this W30

Well, the one thing that concerned me was Power brakes.  I always
thought W-30s didn't have pb.  I know it was possible in 71 and 72, so I
looked at I guess it was an option and possible in 70.  This sounds like
a very solid car and with only a paint job and the minor rust fix it
would look great.  You also said the interior is very good.  If he is
the original owner ask him for some paper work, like protecto plate and
owners manual.  Also see if by some chance he's looked for the build
sheet in the car.  Ask about receipts from the motor rebuild or if he
has anything about maintenance history like oil change intervals, when
were the tires replaced, etc.  As far as sitting for 3 years, the brakes
may or may not need an overhaul.  I overhauled the brakes in my W-31 and
it then sat for approx two years until this weekend when I drove it and
the brakes are still fine.
Your $4000 may be a little low, IMO, if I found a 70 W-30 in the exact
description you typed and it was $4000, I would buy it instantly.  I
seem to remember a while back someone on this list selling a 70 W-30
down in Texas for $4500.  It needed a rear quarter and if I remember
right it didn't have the original motor.  And if I also remember right
if didn't sell too quickly.  I would say the price would lie somewhere
in between $7900 and $4000, maybe $6000.  But the condition of the motor
is probably your bargaining chip.  Remember this is a one owner 70 W-30
with matching numbers and very solid floors and frame with the only bad
spot being a small rust area in a quarter.  Then again ask, you never
know what he'll take unless you ask.

Just my opinion

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 driveable but no 3rd gear
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:36:46 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Modifying a 330

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:39:52 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: olds parts in CA

Suggest you check out Pick-A-Part in Pacoima or Sun Valley CA. Also
You-Pull-it and U Pick Parts.
These are all self service junkyards in the San Fernando Valley. Check
in the phone book for
addresses and phone numbers when you get to CA. Also check Memory Lane,
but bring your money.

Mondello is up on Paso Robles about 3-4 hours drive from LA.

>
> Hey everybody
>
> Anybody could give me advice about olds parts near Hesperia, CA. (
> partstores, junkyards etc.)
> I€m going to be there for two weeks at the beginning of Sept.
> Any classic car meetings, e.g in Pomona, at that time?
>
> Jukka
> Finland
> Europe

> olds dynamic 88 €63

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:02 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Hood question

I have a '72 Cutlass with the 442 option. The hood that I have has the
"fake" vents in the middle of the hood as well vents towards the back, from
side to side. There were also just plain hoods with no vent that were used
from 70-72. The hood that  you have with the "fake" vents is appropriate for
your '72.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	James Moore [SMTP:panman638@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent:	Monday, July 13, 1998 10:59 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Hood question
>
> I am in the process of restoring a 72 W-29. The hood that I have for the
> car is not in the best of shape. I found a hood that will fit, it has the
> fake vents on the hood. It also has the vents at the top of the hood by
> the cowl. The hood that I got with the car does not have the vents at the
> cowl. Does anyone know what hood is correct or what Cutlass had the vents
> at the cowl and the fake intake vents? << File: ATT03138.html >>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: block hugger headers

How much clearence do block hugger headers save over manifolds?

Thanks,
Ed

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:11:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:12:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: [none]

sorry about that, going away for a week... wrong address... so long,

george

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental (like new, everyday driver, FOR SALE!)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:00:58
From: Rick Copithorne <rcopithorne@usa.net>
Subject: Re: 1964 F-85/CUTLASS]

Try Desert Dog auto parts. They have been great to me in the past. Thew guys
name is Bob. I bought a 64 rear valiance from him that wasa mint piece at a
great price. If you cant find him on the Net let me know and I will bring the
card in.

> >Hi, would anybody happen to have the FRONT, LEFT & RIGHT FENDER WHEEL
> WELL
> >MOULDINGS for a 1964 F-85/Cutlass????  Or know of a place where I can
> pick
> >them up????  Thanks!!!!
> >
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:21:02 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Value of this W30

Todd,

I've talked to other people in the area that have taken a look at this
car and it does sound like it's a bit high. However....

At $4000 I'd rush out to the bank and take out a loan to buy the car.
That sounds a bit low. I'd say from your description as well as the
other opinions I've heard about the car that $6000-$6500 would be a bit
more reasonable for the car.

As far as a W-30 optioned like that, I don't think it's all that rare. A
friend of mine and I are finishing up the stripping of a '70 W-30 today
that was optioned the same.

Hope this helps,



Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Don't split the list

  I think it is worth keeping the list as it is, but we have to stop
writing stupid messages that have nothing to do with Olds.  I'm sick
of getting 100 messages from idiots who insist on bickering with each
other for the dumbest things.  If you want to bitch at each other, do
so privately.  Most of us don't care about your quarrels.  Also, if
you don't have something informative to say (i.e. an honest answer to
a question, or info. about parts, events, etc. or a question or 2)
don't waste bandwidth by ripping on somebody because they aren't the
"expert" that you think you are.  Politely correct them or give them
some advice, and move on.  I've gotten many helpful tips, answers to
questions, and parts info from this list in the past few months, but
I've got to say, in this time, the list has gone downhill.  It would
be a shame to lose such an informative tool, but if people don't stop
acting like children, I'm going to have to leave the list.

A bit agitated,
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:36:58 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: block hugger headers

Do they even make block hugger headers for an Olds??

Jon

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:56:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting

I'm pretty sure everyone who's going to be on this list is on it already,
so this will be the last post unless someone else gives me their info.

As of Tuesday afternoon:

Name            Dates           Hotel           Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince     7/17-7/18       none yet        72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea     7/17-7/18       none yet        70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith     7/14-7/19       Crowne Plaza    none
Chris Casteel   7/17            Comfort Inn     none
Brent Ardo	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	72 CS conv.
Chris Smetana	7/15-7/18	Days Inn	69 S W-31
Jim McKeague	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	70 W-31 &
						70 Rallye 350
Everett Horton	7/14-7/19	Campground	61 Starfire
Kurt & Rose	7/15-7/17	Holiday Inn	90 Trofeo
Leigh Tenenholtz7/15-7/19	Crowne Plaza	68 CS conv.
Ken Brooks	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	69 Hurst
Jeff		7/15-7/17	Comfort Inn	none
Jack Bazur	7/16-7/18			none
Dan Williams	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	68 442 conv.
Bill Reilly	7/16-7/19	Crowne Plaza	83 Cutlass Ciera
Brent Fields	7/15-7/17	Comfort Suites	none
Preston Oder 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 442
Kelly Logan  	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	71 CS Conv.
Tom Williams 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 CS SX
Steve Bicker	7/17-7/20	Crowne Plaza	73 442 (modified)
Randy Ruark	7/16-7/18	Days Inn	none
Eric Phillips	7/17-7/18	none yet	70 Supreme

List meeting at Everett Horton's swap space Friday evening at 6pm.

Drive safe and enjoy the ride!

8)
peg

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:04:28 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting

All you guys have fun!!!!!  I'm sure that there's a few that have
already packed up and gone.  But don't worry.  The rest of us *sniff*
will stay here and guard the list with our lives.  GOD I just hate to
say that.  I wish I could go, but again, work got in the way.  That's
happening WAY too often lately.  And to think, my parents only live an
hour away....

LOVE THOSE OLDSMOBILES!!!!

Mike Rothe :(

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: block hugger headers

I'm sure summits got them.  They have a lot of wierd stuff, ya just gotta
call.

Ed

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 Jon442@aol.com wrote:

> Do they even make block hugger headers for an Olds??
>
> Jon
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:11:20 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: door panel replacements

Hi,

your local hardware store should have masonite or hardboard.  It is
almost identical to the backing panels.  Don't forget to check
thickness.  Keep the originals to make a template.  Transfer the hole
patterns,cut'em out, and Voilah!!  You have new panels.

Good Luck,



Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:12:39 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting

You mean you can't tell your boss something like "My mom is sick and in
the hospital and we are going to see her" :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 driveable but no 3rd gear
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Mike Rothe.[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, July 14, 1998 2:04 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
>
>All you guys have fun!!!!!  I'm sure that there's a few that have
>already packed up and gone.  But don't worry.  The rest of us *sniff*
>will stay here and guard the list with our lives.  GOD I just hate to
>say that.  I wish I could go, but again, work got in the way.  That's
>happening WAY too often lately.  And to think, my parents only live an
>hour away....
>
>LOVE THOSE OLDSMOBILES!!!!
>
>Mike Rothe :(
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:21:06 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting

peg I have just recently signed on to this list and where is this show that I
keep hearing about and is it far from CT       thanks
                                                          Rich Fernandez 82
cutlass
                                                              Rich6986@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:26:15 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting

Springfield, IL  July 15 (tomorrow) to Sat July 18

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 driveable but no 3rd gear
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	RICH6986@aol.com[SMTP:RICH6986@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, July 14, 1998 2:21 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Who's Who at Nats & Meeting
>
>peg I have just recently signed on to this list and where is this show that I
>keep hearing about and is it far from CT       thanks
>                                                          Rich Fernandez 82
>cutlass
>                                                              Rich6986@aol.co
>m
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:21 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: door panel replacements

Go to an auto trim shop and get water proof upholstery board.  It is black,
somewhat water proof and is made for this.  One sheet will do one door panel
on your average Olds.  You can glue to it, staple to it, and even sew through
it with an industrial sewing machine if necessary.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:30:13 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Convertible top installation

     Last fall, Tim Rudolph posted that if any one wanted instructions/tips
on installing a top, to send him a request. Alas, I have been unable to find
his email address. If anyone knows it, or has experience in doing a Conv Top
 - ('69 Cutlass), please contact me. I am intending to install the top my
self with the assistance of a couple of competent friends, however we have
no experience in this area, so we need all the help we can get.

Thank you

Brian Kerr

PS - Dont split the list, just cut out the BS and trim the fat. Keep up the
good work Greg.

BJK

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:56:05 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Trans cooler lines...

My trans cooler lines on my 72 442 are stock metal lines. I tried to
re-route them but they still come in contact with the headers in 1 or 2
places. Is this bad?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:15:00 -0400
From: "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

     unsubscribe please.

     thank you.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:40:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Thank you and other subjects...

Hi!

I first want to thank everyone who helped and contributed to the Olds FAQ
at 442.com. That was such a wonderful and informative site!! I learned
that my 350 in Junior (my '72 Cutlass Supreme) is a small block! I thought
Olds only made big blocks! Kim learned lots of things. :)

Second, I want to wish everyone a very wonderful and safe trip to the
Nats. I was supposed to go, (my Father lives in Chicago and we were going
to drive down) but stepfamily got in the way. :( Whaaa!

Third, I know I am new to the list and I dont want to cause any trouble,
but I dont think we should split the list. I have learned a lot from
everyone, wether or not they have my style of Olds. But that is my opinion
only. :)

Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme) back to work and lurk mode...

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:59:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Anyone in Port Richey or thereabouts?

Hi all --

Well, in the search for a new car, I found in Autotrader Online a '68
Supreme convertible for $5,500.  Was wondering if anyone lives in or near
Port Richey who would be willing to take a looksee for me and tell me if
it's worth it.  New top and motor (the guy owns an upholstery shop),
rebuilt 350, AC, maroon with SSIII wheels and pearl buckets, floor
shifter.  Some rust around fenderwells and decklid.  Other than that, he
says it's pretty solid.

If anyone can lend a hand, please drop me a line at peg@grove.ufl.edu.
Thanks!

8)
peg

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:26:24 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Split the list?

Keep the list as is.  I've learned a lot from it.

I like the buy and sell.  I also enjoy questions and answers, spirited
discussions, divergent points of view, Olds related stories and the
generally friendly and helpful atmosphere of a bunch of folks who have a
common interest.

However, PLEASE dump the bickering and go private with the pissing matches.

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:23:55 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: PICS

I am in the middle of creating my web site and screen savers if anyone could
email me pics of there cars I will be making a couple of different ones so
when its all done you will be able to download and keep the one with your car
in it
                                      email me at rich6986@aol.com
                                         thanks
                                       Rich
                                       81 cutlass supreme
                                       82 cutlass supreme
                                       85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:27:01 EDT
From: <BuchD@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Value of this W30

Sounds like a reasonable price to me. From what I've read, only 2500 of those
were made.
Charlie

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 98 17:27:50 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Window Glass Question

      Was tinted glass an option in a '69 4-4-2 non-air car?  I'd like to
replace the glass in my car and can get the sides and back glass but it's
factory tinted and my 4-4-2 is a non-air car.

    Glenn
    '69 4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:28:23 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: door panel replacements

1/8th inch masonite will work for the "card boardy" stuff...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:31:49 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Fluid

It is good for any car. Car manufactureres are too cheap to use it and they
believe that their customers are too cheap to refill or that they are too
stupid to keep refilling with synthetic and use dot 3 or 4. Actually, I can
see their logic. There are some really stupid people out there.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:35:21 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Trans cooler lines...

This is bad. It kind of contradicts having a cooler at all if the fluid being
led back into the trans is getting heated up again and then eventually you
will cause it to vapor lock, much like a fuel line.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:40:25 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

D Frizsell wrote:

> > >...There are too many things common to all oldses and this
> > list in the way it exists right now is a very very good source on common
> > questions too...<
>
> Here, here! Even though the posts can be high in count sometimes, I wouldn't
> change a thing! I'd rather push a delete button than navigate several other
> "split list"
>
> D-man

  Hi Folks:  Please do not split anything again -- we've been through that
already and are finally getting back to enjoying the Oldsmobile for 1897 to
present.  We've been around a long time and it is a good club.  I am very happy
to see everyone post on the internet because we can all keep in touch even
without a Car Show - it makes it better when we do get to see each other in
person.  Just my 2 cents worth.  Joan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:43:51 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: R 12 TO R 134

I am interested in knowing as well, I have a 1969 F85 with air and right now
it is need of repair.  Is the a conversion process that we can follow?
Looking forward to finding out the answer.  Joan

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> Has anybody done the conversion from R 12 to R 134?  What is the procedure
> for this process?
> ======================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >1971 Cutlass S 455
> >Westside! Chitown IL
> 11 Wins 4 Losses
> ======================

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:36:06 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Window Glass Question

Glenn Connors wrote:

>       Was tinted glass an option in a '69 4-4-2 non-air car?  I'd like to
> replace the glass in my car and can get the sides and back glass but it's
> factory tinted and my 4-4-2 is a non-air car.
>
>     Glenn
>     '69 4-4-2

Glenn,
 Yes, non A/C '69's could be optioned with the A01 Soft-Ray glass.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:37:33 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hood question

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:02:45 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RE: Value of this W30

Yeah, I think the motor condition is the big variable.  If this engine needs a
rebuild, then I don't think $4K is too low really, judging by the fact that
quite nice numbers match W30s are available for 10K.  ON the other hand, if the
engine problems are minor, then 6000 is probably a reasonable deal.  So it
boils down to whether I want to take the risk on the engine.

>But the condition of the motor
>is probably your bargaining chip.  Remember this is a one owner 70 W-30
>with matching numbers and very solid floors and frame with the only bad
>spot being a small rust area in a quarter.  Then again ask, you never
>know what he'll take unless you ask.

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:57:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Window Glass Question

Glenn

        Yes it's a factory option for a car w/o A/C. My 67 W-30 has tinted
glass and no A/C.

Jim Chermack

At 05:27 PM 7/14/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>      Was tinted glass an option in a '69 4-4-2 non-air car?  I'd like to
>replace the glass in my car and can get the sides and back glass but it's
>factory tinted and my 4-4-2 is a non-air car.
>
>    Glenn
>    '69 4-4-2
>
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:04:48 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: RE: Olds List

Comment!
Leave it alone, I do not care if your car is yellower than mine or whats
the slowest car in the world OR who is peeved at who. Get rid of that
garbage and the list works fine. And like the man said " If it's not
broke---------------------".
Lou Biggs

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:07:31 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Fluid (long)

I'm going to look at using DOT5 fluid in the race car, since the entire system
will be new.  After this season's over, we'll be installing cooling ducts on
the front brakes, and will look at some stock-style racing replacement
calipers.  Always looking for those speed secrets........

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:22:46 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: need classic Gragar center caps

List,
        I am in need of a set of 4 center caps for Cragar Protech wheels.
The part number I have is 29090. These are 10 year old wheels that
are now obsolete. Does anyone now of any custom wheel outlets ?

                Tanks
                The General

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:39:12 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: R 12 TO R 134

I have successfuly converted r-12 systems to the new 134-a refrigerant doing
only the following: remove the refrigeration oil from the system, replace
with appropriate ester based oil (measure volume out, replace with like
volume), install retrofit adaptors on high and low ports, evacuate and
charge.  Be aware, however, that 134 will take longer to start cooling and
will not achieve as low a terminal temperature as r-12 would in a system
configured for r-12.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: George & Joan C. Lesperance <gal1@MNSi.Net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: R 12 TO R 134


>I am interested in knowing as well, I have a 1969 F85 with air and right
now
>it is need of repair.  Is the a conversion process that we can follow?
>Looking forward to finding out the answer.  Joan
>
>Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
>> Has anybody done the conversion from R 12 to R 134?  What is the
procedure
>> for this process?
>> ======================
>> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>> >1971 Cutlass S 455
>> >Westside! Chitown IL
>> 11 Wins 4 Losses
>> ======================
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:51:01 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Uh,  Peg, Everybody.....(SOM Saga)

In a message dated 98-07-14 09:06:58 EDT, you write:

<< 1.  Master Cylinder bad.  >>

I believe it is either this or a leaking w/c. My massive brake job included an
m/c swap.
With a reman. Delco-type single chamber for 1965.

Yeah. I had heard Reman M/C's were garbage.

One person I talked to said he thought reman M/C's were supposed to be great.

A very odd thing that was more noticeable immediately after the brake job;
over a day of driving to/from work, pedal travel gradually increased for same
braking effect. Next morning, tight pedal again!

Well, I should still be under warranty.

Oh, and T. M. ?
Thanks for posting that Copper-Aluminium stuff. I would have replied more, but
after the response to my posting on what I intuitively knew (or remembered
from previous posts) to be true, I opted to avoid a heated discussion for
which I had no solid data at hand.

Thanks much!

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:06:40 -0400
From: wolfwoman98@monad.net
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1366

Misc replies.......

> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:53:44 -0600
> From: "William E. Wall" <wwall@ixi.net>
> Subject: 73 Olds Omega
>
> I've got a 73 Omega hatchback and am wondering how many of my
> particular
> model were made?  350 2 brl., 350, air, tilt, buckets, white on blue.
> Am
> also looking for some interior parts.  Any ideas people????
>
>                                         Bill Wall

Bill,    I'd love to be able to help you out, since my very first Olds
love was MY '73 Omega.  2dr hatchback, only had a 250 - I6, but man oh
man I loved it.  Went everywhere, never died, and the best part was it
wasn't a N8va!!  It was an Olds!!  Cool car Bill.  Very cool.  I'll do
some looking around here (NH) and let you know if I find anything you
might be interested in.
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-----

>  The volume of posting could be reduced also
> by eliminating the number of postings about the list itself, and the
> ensuing lively discussion that always generates. There seems to be no
> end
> of folks who have a better way to do things, but darn few who will
> actually take action to make them reality.
>
> Like I say, anyone who wants to do something to change things will get
> help
> from me. I claim the core constituency ('64-'72) for this list. Others
>
> are free to set up their own.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
> Canada

Greg,

I can see your points, and fully understand the frustration you must be
feeling.  I believe you do rather well, and you have much more patience
than I.  It's been rather difficult to sit idly by and keep my mouth
shut about a lot of the garbage that ends up being posted.  I can't see
an Olds list without ~some~ chit chat, but there's a difference between
chit chat and the other stuff people see fit to write.
a lot of the flaming could be kept off the list.

But, I have to say, I wish I'd known you were passing through here last
weekend (?).  Like I said when I first got on the list, there are
minimal Olds people in my area, and the few Cutlass/442 cars here are
owned mostly (not ALL, but most) by idiots who know not what they have,
and let it rot away to a big pile of rust sitting in the middle of the 4
wheels and tires that fell off as there was no steel left to hold them
on.

On to my own Olds........The Roket, since I last discussed it on the
list (other than to post if for sale), has again become my daily summer
driver.  Yay!!  A million thanks to my BEST friend in the world, Mike
Rothe, for sending and then coming up and ~installing~ the new Hollye
600.  What a GIFT!!  I remember now why it's called a Rocket.  It's got
the get-up-and-go again.  Makes heading out to work every day ~almost~
fun!  Thank you again, Mike.  You're my hero!

Also, for anyone close to the area and interested, there's classic car
show at Monadnock High School football field this Sunday, 7/18 starting
at 10 am and  going till whenever people decide to leave.  That's in
Swanzey, NH.  I believe it's sort of an impromptu thing, but good enough
I've been hearing about it for a few weeks now.    A few of my customers
at the parts store will be bringing their Olds-s.  If I remember right,
there will be a '69 Hurst and a very pretty very nicely done '70 442
worth seeing.  If anyone cares to get more details, email me privately
and I'll get back to you.

Happy Oldsmocruisin'

Stephani

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:28:16 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: lowering a delta

Igor, are you sure that cutting the coils will make them stiffer?  The
constant spring rate is still the same, as is the number of coils per inch
(or whatever the technical measurement is), so the length of the overall
coil shouldn't matter.  So, why will the coils be stiffer?  I think the car
will just be lower, but not stiffer.

Can anyone verify either of our claims?

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: lowering a delta


>Yup, even with the 255s it still looks silly.  Too much room.  One way to
>efectivley drop the car is to cut the coils.  You can do it 1 or .5"at the
>time to get to what you like.  Cutting coils will make them stiffer, so it
>will corner better.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:30:37 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Opinions: Re 1984 Delta 88

Or, to get a current KBB quote, go to their website:

http://www.kbb.com

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: Opinions: Re 1984 Delta 88

>In order to fix a real 1998 $ amount, these books come out semi-annually, a
>Kelley Blue Book was $10 in 1995, likely to be same or more now. Funny how
>that works.........
>
>KA
>&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:28:10 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lowering a delta

I would think that the stiffness of a ride would be judged by the bobbing of
front to back when going over terrain that is not smooth. If the coils were
longer you would get more of an even feel when this occurs. With shorter coils
the feel would be more abrupt. Besides, if longer is smoother and shorter is
stiffer, how stiff would the ride be without coils!?! Just an opinion, have no
engineering background to substantiate.

woody3781
73 delta convert
70 cutlass





------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:57:12 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Timing problem (no marks)


I just got a '78 Cutlass Salon with a 260.
It backfires though the carb under acceleration.
I was going to time it but found that the plastic timing mark piece was
missing
(should have looked this $100 wonder over better). is this a sign of
retarded or
advanced timing?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: 72 442 console with Dualgate

Hi gang,
       Well heading back for the yard tomorrow,don't have enough cash
to sit on the console and dualgate and hate to leave it there,Anybody
interested,Give me some offers(I don't know what it's gonna cost,owner
was sick ,didn't get to talk to him).Money is just too tight right now
and I can't pay for this unless someone wants it.
          John

P.S. Please reply direct and not to the list, to keep traffic down

==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: lowering a delta

- ---Jason Adcock and Igor  wrote:
>
> Igor, are you sure that cutting the coils will make them stiffer?
Can anyone verify either of our claims?
Cutting coils will make them stiffer, so it will corner better.

Jason and Co.,
          This I can verify,Definately stiffer ride,My 85 has 2 1/2
coils cut,Ride isn't bad,handles great.Just as a reference point,from
the center of the wheelwell to the ground is about 25" with
215/65/15's . This car handles great,and does NOT go bouncy bouncy
like those $%&$$^mini trucks.
           Other options are heating the springs,but BEWARE,go slow as
when they drop ,they drop FAST!!Best option is by far dropped spindles
and/or dropped springs,depending how low you want to go.I've found
some stock replacement springs for the rear,different
application,lowers the rear about 1 1/2".These cost about $50 for the
pair.Still trying to find some for the front.
                  John

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1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: top motor rebuild

The top motor on my 66 Delta 88 is shot. Hook it up to 12V and nothing happens.
The Fisher body manual is weak on tearing apart the motor/pump. My questions 
are
 as follows: 1- Has anyone had any experience rebuilding these motors and/or
pumps.

2- Are they rebuildable? Could someone who does starters and alternators repair
this.

3- Could I use a motor from somewhere else maybe Grangier or someone has
something that would work. Would need to know the specs on the motor.

A new pump and motor cost $200. Seems like a lot for a new top motor and I hate
to throw something out that could be rebuilt. Thanks for any help.

Erik Ferguson
ef01@sprynet.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:40:12 -0400
From: "Brad Baker" <bjbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:50:03 -0700
From: Buster <buster@azstarnet.com>
Subject: Axle for 66 Jetstar 88?

I ended up tearing up my left axle with some
bad bearings, and now having a bear of a time
finding a replacement axle.

So, a few questions.

Can I use axles from other big oldmobiles?
If so, what models & years come to mind?
(The salvage yard guys say only Jetstar works)

Are the axles the same for left and right?

Does anyone know of someone that sells new
axles? (I doubt it, but it's worth a try).


TIA
Buster

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:17:05 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)

were are you located at ?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:22:36 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

sure would like to see what the sign looks like..... so... on with the pics!

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:25:51 -0500
From: "Paul D. Pate" <rocket455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: R 12 TO R 134

Check out:
 www.aircondition.com
There is plenty of info on this subject at this site.

Paul Pate

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:30:57 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats Update

sad day for me,cant make it to the nat's, had to cancel my room at the crown
plaza   just to darn busy to go.  so  every body else have a realy good time
and take lots of pics  see ya after the nats  ken

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:36:00 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: Timing problem (no marks)

Hi   George says to play back and forth with it until it hits right.  How
is the timing chain - is the nylon one still availible in this year of Olds
- - if so check it - it might be shot
Good luck - let us know what happens.  Joan

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> I just got a '78 Cutlass Salon with a 260.
> It backfires though the carb under acceleration.
> I was going to time it but found that the plastic timing mark piece was
> missing
> (should have looked this $100 wonder over better). is this a sign of
> retarded or
> advanced timing?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:39:14 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Timing problem (no marks)

In a message dated 98-07-14 22:35:18 EDT, you write:

<< is the nylon one still availible in this year of Olds >>

Had the nylon wear out on the 260 ('78 or '79) in the car I had. It was so bad
it would start once, then die, and hard as heck to get the timing set back to
start it. Same thing over again. I would think that if the nylon IS bad, you
may be able to see the timing fluctuate if you just mark a spot on the motor?
Dorian

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:45:22 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Heading to Nat's

I will be unsubs*ribing for about three days as I head out to Springfield for
the nationals. I will be sure to take lots of pictures and post them on my web
page for those of you who weren't able to make it.
Jim McKeague
Springfield Bound...
70 Cutlass W31
70 Rallye 350

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:55:09 -0500
From: Dennis Fuller <dfuller@michiana.org>
Subject: Towing with a Buick Roadmaster

I hope I don't get into to much trouble by posting this message about a
Buick.  I looked all over for a Buick mailing list but could not find one.
I run the Shelby Dodge mailing list, and if things are similar here,
disucussions tend to run over into other similar cars.  If I am asking this
question in the wrong place, my apologies.

My father-in-law is looking at buying a 5.7 liter powered '92 Buick
Roadmaster Limited for $7000.  He wants to occasionally tow his 6000 lbs.
camper trailer.  It will almost always be over flat terrain and probably
less than 400 miles a year.  I will probably install an oil cooler on it
for him.

Does anybody have experience towing with a car similar to this?  Is this a
bad idea?  Is $7000 a good price for this car with 74,000 miles?

Thanks for your help...

Dennis Fuller
dfuller@michiana.org

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:00:03 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 442 console with Dualgate

well, any idea how much were talking about here?   steven,   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:09:00 -0400
From: "Ulysses Melen" <Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)

Hey Tony,

I'm interested in the rally pac tic/toc/tac, if the price is right.  It
would be the perfect thing to finish my project car, a 71 442.  Also would
be interested in the decklid if it's in good shape & if it has a wing.

Please reply if I'm not to late.

Ulysses
Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net

>Snip
Tach-clock dash
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:14:28 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:45:22 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

ill have some pics by the end of next week. so ahng in there gang. but heres
another discription of it. imagine 4 cubes stacked vertically each 2 feet tall
spelling
                                                      O
                                                      L
                                                      D
                                                      S
i forgot to mention that they light up also. the cubes are white and the
letters are in red and the letters are on all for sides of the cubes. so hang
in there gang.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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