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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, July 22 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1382



Re: 350 engine
In the market
Trans.
Re: Trans.
Re: Trans.
trans
OHM'S LAW
Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
PAGING -- DAVID BROWN
Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?
[Fwd: GM B-Body LIST]
Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?
Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Decoding a 62
Re: Split-Fire thoughts was Re: wierd plugs ......
Re: AC Delco Plugs
Re: 350 engine
RE: '79 H/O Parts - LONGER
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Re: hood for 66 f-85
Re: Chrome 442 rims - Part IV
Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
New Holley 750cfm carb 4 sale
UNBOUNCE: W-25 Question
timeing
493 Olds question..
Re: Trans.
Soylent no Start is hotwiring to Solenoid Bad?
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Enough. was Re: Wierd Spark trivia
Re: Trans.
off topic
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Answer to Spark Trivia
Re: UNBOUNCE: W-25 Question
Re: 493 Olds question..
ct show
trans$$$$
Re: Stereo mounting
orginal colour
Re: 73 Delta 88
delta 88
Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Agh ! i forwarded a private message to the list!
Re: DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
D.Millers Olds Nationals
Re: off topic
Re: off topic
Re: D.Millers Olds Nationals
Returned mail: User unknown

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:35:05 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

RICH6986@aol.com wrote:
>
> for real i will get the olds 350      is every one happy now now where can i
> go to get a good transmission that would be good with the engine   thaks 
again

B&M, TCI, just pick up a Summit or Jeg's and find a th350 with a BOP
bellhousing and you're set.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:23:50 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: In the market

I finally got rid of the 71 Cutlass S. Now time to get what I have REALLY

wanted all along, a 70 442 convertible. But a Hard top with AC will be
fine
also. I'm talking ram air, Hurst duel gate, the works here gentlemen (and

ladies). If anyone knows where I can find one of these bad boys, drop a
line my
way. I would even sell or trade the 71 convertible to get what I want. I
want a
driver so show quality is more than I care to spend. But the body must be
solid and
rust free. I know this will be hard to find but I figure this is the best
place
to start!

TIA!
D-man

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:40:58 EDT
From: <NjOlds@aol.com>
Subject: Trans.

             Can a TH 200-4R (from TCI or B&M) Handle a 403 Olds.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:43:15 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Trans.

>
>              Can a TH 200-4R (from TCI or B&M) Handle a 403 Olds.

It should.  Depends on if it's a stock 403 or not.  The aftermarket guys
usually beef the guts on the trannies, so they should stand up to a
little more than a stock 403.  If you are talking competition built 403,
well, eeks.....I wouldn't suggest it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:51:20 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Trans.

They ("The aftermarket guys") say that there 2004R will handle the torque of
a well built 455.
I guess it depends on the setup.
I looked into it and even found people racing them in many applications.
Haven't tried it myself.   check out www.artcarr.com
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Trans.


>>
>>              Can a TH 200-4R (from TCI or B&M) Handle a 403 Olds.
>
>It should.  Depends on if it's a stock 403 or not.  The aftermarket guys
>usually beef the guts on the trannies, so they should stand up to a
>little more than a stock 403.  If you are talking competition built 403,
>well, eeks.....I wouldn't suggest it.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:58:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: trans

Anyone know where I could find a good aftermarket T5 or stock/aftermarket
T56 trans?  I'm looking for one that will hold up to 300 - 350 HP.

Ed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:08:06 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: OHM'S LAW

Thanks for the refresher course in Physics 101. Someone forgot the
temperature aspect also. R goes up as temperature rises. My 5 cents worth.
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:10:18 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

the question revolves around gimmick plugs not ign systems and i'll let you
in on a little secret the msd only produces one arc at a time but in rapid
succession try video taping it and slowing it down youll see however the
question was about plugs not ign systems
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)


>
>
>Kerry Kroger wrote:
>but they wont have multiple arcs this cant happen
>
>If you involve an MSD they certainly will. If you use something that has
several
>paths with lower resistance it will be more advatagous for use with a
product
>like the MSD that actually produces several sparks at each occurance of
firing.
>
>Ben
>62 Olds f-85 (for sale) http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
>68 Olds 442
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 98 18:25:47 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: PAGING -- DAVID BROWN

    Attempted private e-mail concerning proximity to Gasport, NY. but
bounced back a couple times.  E-mail me privately.

    Glenn          gpc442@buffnet.net
    '69 4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:12:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

correction number one current flows from negative to positive voltage goes
the other way
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andersons <robertan@cfw.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...


>True, that there are many frames of reference when discussing electrical
>"current".  Conventional current, like in the "I" part of Ohm's law, is
>defined as flowing from positive to negative, and at the speed of light,
>incidentally.  It's kind of an imaginary thing.  Electron flow, like in the
>movement of atomic particles, goes the opposite way, and at a significantly
>slower speed.  It is this movement, and the friction developed, that causes
>heating of conductors.
>
>Great topic for 1 AM conversation?  Good nite.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:24 AM
>Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
>
>
>>In a message dated 98-07-20 22:29:09 EDT, you write:
>>
>><< On a plug, which part is the negative electrode, and ~why~???  If no
one
>>gets,  I'll answer tomorrow.  (remind me, if I forget! ;) >>
>>
>>Unfortunately, there are two schools of thoughts on the behavior of
>electrons.
>>
>>Physicists, and Chemists.
>>
>>Physicysts believe that "holes" (essentially spots of low potential that
>>electrons may fill) flow from pos to neg.
>>
>>Chemists believe that electrons flow from regions of high negative
>potential
>>to low negative (or more positive) potential.
>>
>>Essentially these two describe the same situation. They just confuse
poeple
>>much more than if ther were one doctrine.
>>But then, that is what physicists are for.
>>
>>The negative electrode is the outside plug terminal. Because it is
>connected
>>to the block and thereby to the battery (high negative potential) and arcs
>to
>>the center plug electrode, which is closer to the potential of the coil
and
>>positive batt cable. The coil actually generates a higher positive
>potential,
>>drawing spark more vigorously across the plug electrodes.
>>
>>But as Someone must be getting more confused, this is a good time to shut
>up
>>until someone asks a specific question.
>>
>>KA
>>&SOM
>>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:17:56 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

dont you hate it when they ask if it still has" the original four forty two
in it"...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again


>babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
>
>> guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
>> once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this is
>
>At least he didn't say Forty Four two!  :-)
>
>--
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 SC - Frosty
>68 442 HT - Scarlet
>68 442 HT - Saffron
>82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
>http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:19:27 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?

did you check the points? or if HEI the control module low rpm spark
circuit? this can cause the symptoms you mentioned..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: CRuper1@aol.com <CRuper1@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?


>In a message dated 98-07-20 19:02:43 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> Now this is just an opinion, but .....
>
> I think that the carb problems are bad gas!
>
> As for Sam, sorry, cannot guess without more info.
> Not sure what "blubbering"is.
>
> Back to carb.
> That is the thing about bad gas, no mater what you do to the engine, it
does
> NOT go away until you use most of the tank.
>
>  >>
>The other guy, and I are having (at least what sound like) the same
problem.
>I'm betting it's not gas since I had run a bit before messing with stuff,
and
>then "all of the sudden....".  It's not that my engine seems to be running
>like crap altogether, just at idle (like the "other guy's" is).  Otherwise
>things "seem normal"....
>
>Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:38:02 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: [Fwd: GM B-Body LIST]

A forward from another list I'm on... He's got a good person to host
this list on a fast server if he get's enough response from people.
Please contact him directly at timwhiting@juno.com


>
> Would anyone be interested in joining a LIST for GM's B-Bodys?  I'm
> not
> just talking about pre-'72 cars, I'm talking about ALL fullsize GM
> cars
> that were produced up until they killed them in '96.  I haven't been
> able
> to find a LIST for them, so I'm thinking of starting one myself.  So,
> if
> anyone else loves these cars as much as I do and would be interested
> in
> joining a LIST for them, send me an e-mail.
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:56:50 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....

I was wondering if anyone knows of a site where they have a good picture of
a convt. Olds that is blue with a black top and black stripes. I am looking
to re-paint my 72 442 convt. and am undecided if I should paint it (blue
with a white top and white stripes) or (blue with a black top and black
stripes).

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:53:43 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

- -----noticed that the Chevy logo looked like a bow tie; the
- -------------kind that come with rental tuxedos.

- --------I don't know if this is how the name got started, but it kinda made
sense
- --------to me.



Ryan touching right index finger to nose......

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:55:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....

- ---Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows of a site where they have a good
picture of
> a convt. Olds that is blue with a black top and black stripes. I am
looking
> to re-paint my 72 442 convt. and am undecided if I should paint it
(blue
> with a white top and white stripes) or (blue with a black top and
black
> stripes).


Peter,
     Can't think of a car,but as an option(till you find one)you could
always save a pic of one with white stripes,and play with the "paint"
program in windows,it'll give you a little bit of an idea anyway.
    Sorry couldn't help with a real pic,ANYBODY else?
      John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


_________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:54:38 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....

what color is you interior?

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:00:56 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

I had some guy at a gas station (shell mechanic) ask me if my 72 442 had a
442 C.I. motor in it. I didn't want to make him look dum so I told him that
the 442 stood for something completely different than the engine size.

 Or better yet I was at Pep Boys getting a 4 core radiator for my Olds and
the lady behind the counter stated " I had a 72 442, it had a 454, boy did
it move". Well what can you do, it's a Chevy world out there and we are the
minority.

- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:17 PM
>
> dont you hate it when they ask if it still has" the original four forty
two
> in it"...kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again
>
>
> >babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> >
> >> guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
> >> once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this
is
> >
> >At least he didn't say Forty Four two!  :-)
> >
> >--
> >Chris Sparks
> >68 442 SC - Frosty
> >68 442 HT - Scarlet
> >68 442 HT - Saffron
> >82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
> >http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:59:48 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?

In a message dated 98-07-21 18:44:47 EDT, you write:

<< did you check the points? or if HEI the control module low rpm spark
 circuit? this can cause the symptoms you mentioned..kk >>


    I would assume we are both running HEI. I am. I'm not too familiar with
internal's of HEI, but there is a low RPM spark circuit that is seperate? I'm
not running computer. What would constitute "low RPM" for the circuit? As soon
as it gets above 1200RPM, it's smooth. Every thing else is good or changed, IE
plugs, wires, cap, rotor. Fires consistently under the timing light, but thats
about all I can think of. Dorian

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:01:56 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO

84

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:02:33 EDT
From: <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

Real cars don't wear bowties!!!!!!

Bernie

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:07:24 -0500
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: Decoding a 62

Does anyone have the way or know where I can find a decoder for the numbers
on a 62 F-85?
adam

62 F-85 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:39:54 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Split-Fire thoughts was Re: wierd plugs ......

well here we go again the potential will change however as the electrode,
anode, cathode or whatever you call it erodes ie wears
it loses its edge and the sharper the edge the more likely it is to excite a
spark or electrical arc the physical potential from positive (the plug wire,
center electrode, to side electrode(ground) remains the same or gets more
resistant as the gap increases this is what makes these things less likely
to work as pointed  out theoretically they will produce a broader arc thus
more likely to ignite combustion however this may be true in a vacuum in the
cylinder there is a hurricane force wind and 9 to 10 times the ambient
pressure trying to keep that very thing from happening the higher the
cylinder pressure the more resistance and so on this is my last posting to
this subject unless someone else wants to debate it some more then they can
try to flame me directly at kerryk@mci2000.com good luck and enjoy...kk
and to reiterate a point I read on someones posting that a bit of metal is
transfered at the arc point this is true that is how electroplating
works..kk

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:50:04 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: AC Delco Plugs

already posted it it stands for Albert Champion and I would like to know
why....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 4:58 AM
Subject: AC Delco Plugs


Message text written by Roger Hitson
>Doesn't Champion make all AC Delco plugs now?
<

No, they are made by AC Delco (Delphi group) in Flint Michigan.

Piece of trivia - do you know whay AC stands for in AC Delco and why????

Answer later


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:47:10 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

whats a 350 "big block" I thought they were all small ones
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: 350 engine


>> I am putting a chevy 350 big block in my 82 cutlass i would rather put an
olds
>> engine in it but the price is very nice does anyone know of prices for an
olds
>> engine
>
>Rich!!!!  Check here first.  (investigate further before choosing the
company,
>I've no experience with them, but glance through this list anyway:
>
>http://engineexchange.com/OldsmobileLongblocks.htm
>
>And remember, real cars don't wear bowties :)
>
>
>Page seems to be slow loading today, but their premeir plus longblock Olds
350
>(older style) was under $900.
>
>Seem to recall the 455's were actually quite reasonable, too.
>--
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:19:26 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: '79 H/O Parts - LONGER

>Not exactly true - the two-toned "sport" paint option was available on any
'>78 to '80 Cutlass Calais.  But the gold upper paint color was exclusive to
>the '79 H/O and the '80 442.  I've heard that it actually was a Pontiac
>Trans-Am Firebird paint color.

That's correct - The gold paint is exclusive to '79 Hurst/Olds and no other
Cutlass in '79.  I know the UFO paint jobs were very common.

>hurst dual gate shifter and console,
>********************
>True, although this is the same shifter which was used in all the earlier
>Hurst/Oldsmobiles so it wasn't exclusive to the '79 H/O.

Yes, the Hurst shifter and console is exclusive only to the '79 Hurst/Olds
and no other Cutlass in '79.

>grill,
>********************
>I don't think so.  I believe the grills were just standard Cutlass Calais
>parts on both the '79 H/O and the '80 442.

Yes, it is a part of the Hurst/Olds package which happened to be a Calais.
They were also on some station wagons.

>W-30 stickers on the front fenders,
>********************
>True, although again I believe that these same decals were used on the
>mid-1970s H/Os too.

Yes, Hurst/Olds in '79 were the only Cutlass with W-30 stickers in '79.

>gold aluminum rims,
>********************
>Again not exactly true.  The aluminum wheels were an option for the Calais,
>and probably most of the other '78 to '80 Cutlass models as well.  But
>again, the gold paint was exclusive to Oldsmobile on these two models.

Gold aluminum rims were not on any other Cutlass in '79 but the H/O.

>full gauges,
>********************
>Not true at all.  The gauge package was standard on all Cutlass Calais.

It is included in the H/O package because the H/O is a Cutlass Calais.

>interior color,
>********************
>Not true at all.  As a former '79 Hurst/Olds owner, I know that the
>available interiors were black vinyl, tan vinyl, and tan fabric.  Those
>same choices were available on any '79 Calais.

So, you could get the camel gold/tan or whatever it is interior color on
other Cutlasses in '79?

>H/O emblems,
>********************
>True, of course only for the '79.  And these emblems were exclusive to just
>those 2,499 cars, due to the gold paint used on them.  Some of the previous
>years H/Os had identical sized and shaped emblems on their exteriors and
>shifter plates, but where the '79 emblems are gold, they were red.  The
>1980 442 emblems may have been unique to that year as well, but I'm less
>sure about that.  I don't have much experience with that year 442, having
>never owned one and only ever driven one once.

Yep, exactly.  H/O emblems were put only on H/O cars.

>steering wheel, bucket seats, 442 suspension,
>*********************
>Not true, not true, and not true.  All were standard pieces on the Cutlass
>Calais.

Yes, standard on H/O because they were a Cutlass Calais which had these
standard.

>fake dual exhaust,
>********************
>Possibly true - I don't recall if the dual outlet muffler was used on any
>other engines in the Cutlass.  If any, that same muffler would probably
>have also been used with the cars that had the 305 or 350 (high altitude
>only) 4-barrel Chevy engines.

H/O did not come with true duel exhaust.  True duel exhaust to me is 2 pipes
coming back from the manifolds with 2 mufflers.  Not exhaust manifold to
cross over pipe to exhaust manifold to single pipe to CAT to Y pipe to 2
mufflers to 2 tail pipes.  That's the breathing power of single exhaust.

>350 Olds engine, Turbo 350 transmission,
>********************
>True for the Cutlass line, but not true if we're considering all of
>Oldsmobile in 1979 and 1980. ......<snip>

'79 H/O were the only 2 door Cutlasses in '79 that had standard Olds 350/350
tranny combos. My Hurst/Olds was a pooch running 15.9's in the quarter at 85
mph stock.

>and antenna in the wind shield.
>********************
>Not true either.  The windshield antenna was standard on all '78 to '80
>Cutlass models.  A right front fender mounted power antenna was an option
>on most, if not all Cutlass models, and quite a few of these "top of the
>line" Hurst/Oldsmobiles and 442s had that.  The rarest option I can think
>of for either the '79 H/O or '80 442 is the fiber optic lamp monitors which
>were available on any Calais.

Yep, standard equipment on '79 H/O cars because they were a Calais.

WOW!  I'll be more specific next time.  I was just stating some of the
things that were included with the Hurst/Olds option which my car came with
and not what exactly was only exclusive on that year H/O and nothing else
that Olds ever made.  Sorry I wasted the bandwidth.  Maybe I should stick to
Buick Grand Nationals because I definitely know that of all them in '87 were
black, had 3.8L Buick V6 Turbo engines, and hauled ass! :-)

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ˝" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:07:09 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

how about this one I had a guy ask me what year chevelle my 69 442 was...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again


>I had some guy at a gas station (shell mechanic) ask me if my 72 442 had a
>442 C.I. motor in it. I didn't want to make him look dum so I told him that
>the 442 stood for something completely different than the engine size.
>
> Or better yet I was at Pep Boys getting a 4 core radiator for my Olds and
>the lady behind the counter stated " I had a 72 442, it had a 454, boy did
>it move". Well what can you do, it's a Chevy world out there and we are the
>minority.
>
>----------
>> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again
>> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:17 PM
>>
>> dont you hate it when they ask if it still has" the original four forty
>two
>> in it"...kk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again
>>
>>
>> >babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
>> >> once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this
>is
>> >
>> >At least he didn't say Forty Four two!  :-)
>> >
>> >--
>> >Chris Sparks
>> >68 442 SC - Frosty
>> >68 442 HT - Scarlet
>> >68 442 HT - Saffron
>> >82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
>> >http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
>> >
>> >
>> >

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:28:28 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

But what about the slang term "rat-motor" for Chevy motors?  I thought that
was an Olds list thing (!), but I saw that term in Car Craft, and you can be
sure that *they* aren't biased against Chev.!

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots


>yes that is correct.
>I am wondering if the story I heard is valid.
>Brett

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:01:51 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: hood for 66 f-85

Hi Mike;
         I have a hood that I am using while I wait for a 67 442 hood to be 
made
by a company in Chicago(fiberglass).This hood has the moulding that runs down
the middle of the hood.Its in really good shape other than it has hood pins in
it.When my hood is done,I will sell it .If interested,e-mail me privately.
Thanks Tony

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:16:37 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Chrome 442 rims - Part IV

As soon as I finish supper, I'm heading right over there and get them
damn wheels...!!!
____________________________________________________________

> Just in case any list members DON'T regularly read the classifieds
> at 442.com I just ran across this.
>
> Date Posted 7/20/1998 - 4- 15x7 Chrome 442 Rims (85-87) they are mint no
> rust and none are bent. Have 4-442 centre caps as well and are mounted on BF
> Goodrich Radial TA's RWL.2- 215\65\15 and 2-255\60\15 the tires are brand
> new under 5K and the complete set is mint.These are hard to find and can
> make a car.Complete package $950 amer. OBO Darryl zych@globalserve.net
> (905)664-2002 Stoney Creek,Ontario
>
>
> -Mark Tupper
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:27:13 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....

My interior is presently saddle bronze, I'm looking to dye it black. The
car itself is that saddle gold color with white top and white stripes.

- ----------
> From: Cnvrt67@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:54 PM
>
> what color is you interior?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:46:59 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

"Rat Motor" is a reference to the Chevy big block motors.  The small blocks
were known as "mouse motors" for the Mouse That Roared.  The Rats were
originally 396 C.I.D. engines.  They were quickly enlarged to 427's and from
there to 454's.  Another reason the Chevy big blocks were known as "Rat
Motors" is because they had a marked propensity to puke rods at high
R.P.M.'s.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots


>But what about the slang term "rat-motor" for Chevy motors?  I thought that
>was an Olds list thing (!), but I saw that term in Car Craft, and you can
be
>sure that *they* aren't biased against Chev.!
>
>Jason Adcock
>mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
>http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:02 PM
>Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots
>
>
>>yes that is correct.
>>I am wondering if the story I heard is valid.
>>Brett
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:01:21 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for an On-Line Pic.....

ive always like the saddle bronze. thats the color of my dads 72 cutlass
supreme convertible. i think it looks great with white stripes. a white w-30
strioe on it would look real good as well. but if you have your heart set on a
blue car go for it. i dont know why, but i have always liked the saddle
interior and saddle brown paint with white stripes look. besides, there arent
that many saddle bronze cars around. my .02

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:12:46 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: New Holley 750cfm carb 4 sale

New - Had on motor for less than 3 months...

Holley 750 CFM - 4 Barrel Carb
Part#0-3310
Features: Model 4160
Manual Choke
Dual Feed/Center Hung Float Bowls
Vacuum Secondaries
Power Valve Blow-Out Protection
All Metal Parts

Came off of a 350 Rocket. Perfect - new condition. Goes for $320.00 new -
will sell for $210.00 including delivery via UPS to anywhere in U.S..

E-Mail privately...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:02:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: W-25 Question

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Joseph Aguilar <aguilar@courier8.aero.org>
Subject: 1970 442 Ram Air Question

Hello,

I have a question about a 1970 442 (non W-30).  If you ordered the ram
air package (W25), did you also get the air cleaner assembly?  Or did
the air cleaner assembly only come with the W Machines (i.e. W30, W31)?
Thanks in advance.

Joseph

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:22:51 -0500
From: Larry Martino <lmmsr@flash.net>
Subject: timeing

Can someone plaese tell me how to advance the timing on my 403? It was
intentionally retarded to slow my car down. what should I set ti to?
Please- step-by-step here, I'm no mechanic. Please reply direcctly to me
as I am no longer on the list. Thank you.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:23:58 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: 493 Olds question..

Does anyone have any first hand info on the 493? Is the below info correct for
the 493 stroker motor?  I'm getting ready to drop off a crank at the shop and
dont want to pay the dollars if it isn't going to be right.

 nodular iron crank, Magnafluxed for cracks. Offset grind to 4.500 stroke, weld
fillets
to improve strength and to narrow rod joumals for Buick V8 rods. Reduce
counterweight diameter to
clear bottom of piston. Crossdrill, chamfer, heat treat, shot-peen and micro
polish.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:27:45 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Trans.

the 200r4 is a better trans than most people give it credit,but to handle the
brute torque of even a mild 455 for a sustained period makes me wonder. i know
the turbo buick guys have had luck with them. ive talked aftermarket trans
companies about this,because ive thought of putting a 455 in my 87 442, they
all had about the same thing to offer. you got enough money ,they'll make one
last!! all did agree that on a basic street ride youd have no problem. street
\strip that was a different story. every one was worried about the torque
output of a 455. there are plenty parts out there to beef up the 200r4 , it
all comes down to $$$$ sx455

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:31:32 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Soylent no Start is hotwiring to Solenoid Bad?

So this mornig Soylent Ocean mist showed idiot lights, but no starter click.

Followers of the Great Soylent Ocean Mist Saga may recall that I had
determined the weak link to actually be the connection between the wires from
the starter and the main wire harness.

This morning I acheived start by getting metal polish and cleaning contacts.
It wanted to short, but flowed enough current to start.

Try to leave work, no start.
Polish contacts, no start.

With multitester I determined that these wires both flow (+) current when
start circuit closed.

With a friend in drivers seat, Karl grabbed spool of solid copper wire from
trunk, cut a length, and arced from the battery (+) terminal directly to the
lead from the starter that I believed problematic.

Starter engages, buddy gives gas.

Home again, home again, jigetty jig.

Get to work.
Yellow wire OK (I think).
Purple one (got solid 12v earlier) is suspect.
Pull male connectors from connector housing.
Insert male connectors into female housing.
((Ooooooh! I feel giddy....))
Idiot lights, No start.
Karl get out electrical stuffs.
Cut purple wire before female connector.
Crimp on a female coupling that fits male one.
Tries to start, shorting somewhere.
Waiting for car to cool so I can examine connections to starter.

Quick Q before I do.

Is it BAD to send full 12v directly to switched terminals on solenoid?

Thanks much!

Karl got UPS deliveries yesterday and today rebuild kit for Roch #7024110, and
the Sessions TH400 text, as well as Roe and Haynes Roch books from Amazon.com.

BTW, Karl Thanks the Almighty Joe Padavano for M/C information!

Thanks in advance.
KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:33:25 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

a rat is a large rodent that can move quickly and manuver around any object

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:34:04 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

also remember the term RAT BIKE a suped up harley built really cheap

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:42:23 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Enough. was Re: Wierd Spark trivia

In a message dated 98-07-21 00:11:06 EDT, you write:

<< If I am remembering correctly, the center part of the spark plug is
 negative because the arc travels from it to the part of the plug that
 contacts the head.  It is considered negative because it gives up
 electrons to the positive electrode.  >>

Thanks Paul

Actually I was a *lot* confused. I immediately forgot my statement about
physicists, and alluded to the battery teminal designations as if they were
appropriate.

To wit; Why do electrons flow toward ground [ (-) terminal ] since opposites
attract?

My sincere apologies to all I may have confused, as well as the digest people,
as I am certain sever must have replied to my hallucination by now.

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:44:47 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Trans.

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> >
> >              Can a TH 200-4R (from TCI or B&M) Handle a 403 Olds.
>
> It should.  Depends on if it's a stock 403 or not.  The aftermarket guys
> usually beef the guts on the trannies, so they should stand up to a
> little more than a stock 403.  If you are talking competition built 403,
> well, eeks.....I wouldn't suggest it.
>
> Mike Rothe

  Okay, here's my scoop! I read an article done in I think it was Car Craft
about a B*ick GS 455 built well had a 2004R behind it. It was an expensive
build though. Taken out of the BOP mid 80's cars. Perticularly the special
442, GS, and SS of the 80s. I don't remember the company that built it, but
hell if it held up behind a 455 built... then that is some good stuff. It's
my dream to eventually put it behind my 442 w/ 400 putting out over 500
ft/lb and over 400 horse... It will be such a big, but worth while project.
Keep me posted on any info you find.

Ben
62 Olds f-85 (for sale! http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 olds 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:15:25 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: off topic

Why would you want to use a 200R4? Wouldn't the 700R4 be stronger and
cheaper to build? I have seen more 700's built for power than 200's. 7
to 2 ratio. But the bulk of the power put through any has been the
Th350. i am guessing that OD is the reason for this???

Peter Flinkfelt


NjOlds@aol.com wrote:

>              Can a TH 200-4R (from TCI or B&M) Handle a 403 Olds.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:46:47 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

> a rat is a large rodent that can move quickly and manuver around any object

Which makes me wonder how the term could be used in conjunction with
ch*vy.....   Of course, they're also repulsively abundant in large cities' 
sewer
systems.....  Could be why there's so many in car craft...

;)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:34:03 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Answer to Spark Trivia

> If I am remembering correctly, the center part of the spark plug is
> negative because the arc travels from it to the part of the plug that
> contacts the head.  It is considered negative because it gives up
> electrons to the positive electrode.
>
> Paul Pate

Well, this was the closest answer I've seen.  Except for the "why" part.  Good
theory, but not explained.  OK, first, keep in mind the outer electrode is
attached to the threads, which connects to the block, which is a 0V Ground,
right?  Right.  That makes the center ~obviously~ positive, right?

Wrong.  Here's why.  (and the explanations caused several classmate's heads to
explode while trying to comprehend...)   The answer lies in voltage
~differential~ not just ground.  In the case of a spark system, the high 
tension
plug wires are actually the ~negative~ side of the circuit.  How?  Because the
coil produces a high ~negative~ voltage.  Depending on the system, the firing
voltage at the coil will range between negative 15000 and -60000 Volts.  The
block, and entire vehicle ground, is zero volts.  No positive charge, and no
negative charge.  So, during a firing event, the block is several thousand 
volts
higher than the coil, allowing current to flow properly.  The correct term for
the block/ground is that it's "less negative" than the center electrode.  Which
also makes the block ~more positive~ than the coil.  It's less positive than 
the
vehicle's electrical system.  Somehow, by some tragic strain on all forms of
logic, the two systems don't cause major problems with each other.  But, in
answer to my trivia question, the ~outer~ electrode is the positive one, and
that's why.  Confused???  Took me a while to grasp the concept.

> correction number one current flows from negative to positive voltage
> goes the other way

Uhh, wrong.  Current flows both directions, based on the theory used.  
Electrons
jump negative to positive, while holes jump positive to negative.  VOLTAGE
~doesn't~ flow.  At all.  It just sits there providing a surplus of electrons
and holes to do the work themselves.  If there's a voltage differential in a
closed circuit, current will flow.  Voltage won't.



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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:44:43 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: W-25 Question

The air cleaner came with as a complete package. So for instance, if you
ordered the ram-air hood, you got the ram-air cleaner set-up.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: UNBOUNCE: W-25 Question
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:02 PM
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	Joseph Aguilar <aguilar@courier8.aero.org>
> Subject: 1970 442 Ram Air Question
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about a 1970 442 (non W-30).  If you ordered the ram
> air package (W25), did you also get the air cleaner assembly?  Or did
> the air cleaner assembly only come with the W Machines (i.e. W30, W31)?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Joseph

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:42:10 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 493 Olds question..

Before you do anything get the MONDELLO technical reference manual. It will
tell you IN DETAIL about those stroker kits.The last thing you want to do
is get it all machined only to find out the motor wiill GRENADE after the
first run and then all the $$$$ will be shovled up in broken parts....


Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 493 Olds question..
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:23 PM
>
> Does anyone have any first hand info on the 493? Is the below info
correct for
> the 493 stroker motor?  I'm getting ready to drop off a crank at the shop
and
> dont want to pay the dollars if it isn't going to be right.
>
>  nodular iron crank, Magnafluxed for cracks. Offset grind to 4.500
stroke, weld
> fillets
> to improve strength and to narrow rod joumals for Buick V8 rods. Reduce
> counterweight diameter to
> clear bottom of piston. Crossdrill, chamfer, heat treat, shot-peen and
micro
> polish.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:53:42 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: ct show

im going to the show in ct in meridan this sunday cause it is only 20 min from
my house and this is to anyone that is either going or knows about it what
time does it start                    can anybody help
              Rich
81,82,85 cutlass supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:55:50 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: trans$$$$

does anyone know the price range for TH350 or where i could go to look at
prices on the net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:19:28 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting

Not sure of the reason for all the hesitation to just put a nice Pioneer or
Jensen in the dash- any conventional "2-knob" stereo will fit, as the knobs
can slide left/right and the unit can adjust for depth, relative to the
knobs.  This is NOT an un-reversible modification- you can slap the original
back in when/if needed.  I have a 1996 Pioneer in the dash, and it looks and
works _terrific_. (There was a bit of the old dash cutout showing on either
side of the faceplate after stock installation.  Got one of those unversal
black plastic plates from the car stereo shop, and covered it nicely.)

And, I put an amp/equalizer under the dash, but back behind the cross-duct,
facing the floor.  You can't see it, but reach under and you can easily set
the fader and freq controls by touch.  Center bench seat passenger sometimes
kicks the controls, but rarely.

Note that modern cassette/tuners can usually control a trunk-mounted CD
changer, using a fat cable between the two.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting


>
>  I put a new stereo in under my dash.  There's an enclosure that you
>can buy that screws under.  I used 2 existing holes(just used longer
>screws) and drilled 2 new ones.  If you ever want to remove it, the
>holes are not noticeable unless you're really looking for them.
>
>Hope this helps,
>          Stefan
>          sgadecki@yahoo.com
>          1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:32:52 +0300
From: Jukka.Kujala@outokumpu.com
Subject: orginal colour

Hey everybody,

Anyone knows, what was orginal factory paint to 1963 olds€s chassis
(black??)

Jukka

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:27:04 -0400
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 73 Delta 88

hello Mr larsen. is your delta a four or two door? if its 4 i have one here
. 455, auto, only bad area is left rear quarter. will ahve photos soon,
giesel is also interested. email me for nit picky :) details.

- ----------
> From: Martin Larsen <martin@auditdata.dk>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 73 Delta 88
> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 3:40 AM
>
> Can it really be true that no one knows if the 73 Delta 88 body style is
> identical to the one from another year ?
> And no one knows where to find such a model ?
>
> Please help me out - I am quite desperate here...
>
> - Martin

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:35:24 -0400
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: delta 88

Dos anyone here know of a place where i can get a good 73 delta bumper,
rear? all it has to be is straight , with molding. a little chrome is nice
but not necessary. also any recommendations on how to replace a diffrential
bearing (at drive shaft input) as it leaks fluid and i think the bearing is
shot.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:51:44 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

Sorry to have started this conversation, but I can't let that statement go.
Contrary to popular opinion, voltage does not "go" anywhere.  It is simply a
measurement of potential to create current.

Use the hydraulic analogy to clarify:  garden hose.  The hose is the
"conductor".  The pressure on the spigot is "voltage", with "positive" at
the house, and "negative" , or "neutral" at the open end.  Water going thru
the hose is "conventional current".  The kink in the hose is "resistance".
Does this help?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...


>correction number one current flows from negative to positive voltage goes
>the other way
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andersons <robertan@cfw.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:51 PM
>Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
>
>
>>True, that there are many frames of reference when discussing electrical
>>"current".  Conventional current, like in the "I" part of Ohm's law, is
>>defined as flowing from positive to negative, and at the speed of light,
>>incidentally.  It's kind of an imaginary thing.  Electron flow, like in
the
>>movement of atomic particles, goes the opposite way, and at a
significantly
>>slower speed.  It is this movement, and the friction developed, that
causes
>>heating of conductors.
>>
>>Great topic for 1 AM conversation?  Good nite.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:24 AM
>>Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
>>
>>
>>>In a message dated 98-07-20 22:29:09 EDT, you write:
>>>
>>><< On a plug, which part is the negative electrode, and ~why~???  If no
>one
>>>gets,  I'll answer tomorrow.  (remind me, if I forget! ;) >>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, there are two schools of thoughts on the behavior of
>>electrons.
>>>
>>>Physicists, and Chemists.
>>>
>>>Physicysts believe that "holes" (essentially spots of low potential that
>>>electrons may fill) flow from pos to neg.
>>>
>>>Chemists believe that electrons flow from regions of high negative
>>potential
>>>to low negative (or more positive) potential.
>>>
>>>Essentially these two describe the same situation. They just confuse
>poeple
>>>much more than if ther were one doctrine.
>>>But then, that is what physicists are for.
>>>
>>>The negative electrode is the outside plug terminal. Because it is
>>connected
>>>to the block and thereby to the battery (high negative potential) and
arcs
>>to
>>>the center plug electrode, which is closer to the potential of the coil
>and
>>>positive batt cable. The coil actually generates a higher positive
>>potential,
>>>drawing spark more vigorously across the plug electrodes.
>>>
>>>But as Someone must be getting more confused, this is a good time to shut
>>up
>>>until someone asks a specific question.
>>>
>>>KA
>>>&SOM
>>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:43:39 -0400
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Agh ! i forwarded a private message to the list!

Sorry people, stupid me i forgot to look at the addy first. *smack*	

Erik Gertsen

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:59:40 -0700
From: "Greg Yonge" <gsyonge@pe.net>
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

I don't know if it's available nationwide yet, but we have a product her in
SoCal called Febreeze that is supposed to eliminate odors, and is safe for
all fabrics, etc.. May be worth checking out....

Just my $.02



Greg Yonge - OCA 029415
1969 Cutlass S Covt.
1965 442 Covt.
1992 Achieva SC


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon442@aol.com <Jon442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 14:16
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!! RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}


>I never have tried this, but I was talking to a guy one time at a car show
>that rebuilt wrecks for a living. Some of them were totals, and people had
>been seriously injured or died in them. So you can imagine now nice they
>smelled. He suggested this process to remove stubborn odors:

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:01:39 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: D.Millers Olds Nationals

I want to know how many of you motorheads are going to particpate in the 1st
annual Dick Miller Oldsmobile Nationals?  So to all the new people on the
list, I am W MACHINES, I have a 72 442 W30 that I race on occasion each year.
Its runs 12 teens in the 1/4.

I would like to say that I am encouraging all Olds fanatics to go to this
event.  They have a swap meet, car show and of course racing.  You can show
and go or just show or just go. Mr. Millers Olds nats are going to be held
August 16th at Norwalk Raceway in Norwalk Ohio.  Its about 20 miles south of
Sandusky Ohio which is know for Cedar Point amusement park.  Norwalk has a
racing program on Saturday, and there will be alot of Oldsmobiles there
testing and tuning.  So make plans a go my list friends.   The best part of
this event is there is money and trophies to be had. :)   So grab you Olds
power car and come visit Norwalk August 16th.

Norwalk Raceway has a website, I just dont know the address right now.  but it
is easily obtainable.

Thanks for the bandwidth and I especially want Greg B the list maintainer to
come and show off his Street Rocket Shirt.

visit my web pages at http://members.aol.com/wmachines   then go to the Street
Rocket page to see the up coming events

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:40:28 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: off topic

In a message dated 98-07-21 22:16:01 EDT, you write:

<< Why would you want to use a 200R4? Wouldn't the 700R4 be stronger and
 cheaper to build? I have seen more 700's built for power than 200's. 7
 to 2 ratio. But the bulk of the power put through any has been the
 Th350. i am guessing that OD is the reason for this???
  >>
well, if you want a 700r4 in some cars, youll need another driveshaft, and
youll have to do some crossmember work.  also, ive read in several books that
built 2004rs are just as strong as built 700r4s.  2004r trannys also have
better gear ratio spacing which is better for 1/4 mile, and the overdrive is
geared higher (numerically lower) on the 2004r which means better gas mileage
and less wear and tear on the engine.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:45:59 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: off topic

In a message dated 98-07-22 01:43:20 EDT, you write:

<< << Why would you want to use a 200R4? Wouldn't the 700R4 be stronger and
  cheaper to build? I have seen more 700's built for power than 200's.  >>

     One reason is I believe that all 700's are Chev bolt pattern. You'd have
to use an adapter plate, but they are available. Dorian

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 01:53:18 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: D.Millers Olds Nationals

I will be there with the 80 442. Really wanted take the 72 out there, but it
still needs too much work to be completed in a month.   Might decide to haul 
the
75 H/O out also to try and get rid of it at the swap meet along with other Olds
parts I have..not sure on that yet.  I will definitely have the 442 in the car
show...still not sure about drags yet as it is an embarrassment running high
15's :-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>I want to know how many of you motorheads are going to particpate in the 1st
>annual Dick Miller Oldsmobile Nationals?  So to all the new people on the
>list, I am W MACHINES, I have a 72 442 W30 that I race on occasion each year.
>Its runs 12 teens in the 1/4.

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I will be there with the 80 442. Really wanted take the 72 out there, but it
still needs too much work to be completed in a month.   Might decide to haul 
the
75 H/O out also to try and get rid of it at the swap meet along with other Olds
parts I have..not sure on that yet.  I will definitely have the 442 in the car
show...still not sure about drags yet as it is an embarrassment running high
15's :-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>I want to know how many of you motorheads are going to particpate in the 1st
>annual Dick Miller Oldsmobile Nationals?  So to all the new people on the
>list, I am W MACHINES, I have a 72 442 W30 that I race on occasion each year.
>Its runs 12 teens in the 1/4.

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