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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 13 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1365



Re: Repro Mirrors
Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components
'73 88 convert parts needed
Re: Back from road trip
Remove from List
Re: Harmonic Balancer, 455
Re: Carb ID...
W-31....on the road
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: Carb ID...
Re: two problems.....
72 442 Conv.
Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...
RE: 65 Delta 88 Brakes
RE: Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...
Re: #'s h*lp please
Paging Fernando
Value of this W30
Re: two problems.....
Re: Repro Mirrors
Split the list.
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: two problems.....
RE: Split the list.
RE: Screen Saver completed
Re: two problems.....
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: Split the list.
Modifying a 330
Re: Split the list.
Re: Split the list.
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: Split the list.
Re: Split the list.
RE:  Ring and Pinion
RE: Split the list.
65 Delta Brakes
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Lighting problem
RE:  Ring and Pinion
Re: Olds 350 diesels...
RE:  Running hot!!!
Re: Divorcing General Motors
Re: Split the list.
Re: W-31....on the road
Re: #'s h*lp please
Re: Back from road trip - more driver's ed
Re: Rear Shocks
Re: Break in procedure
Re: My "problems"
Re: Split the list.
Copper Rad to Alum Rad
Re: Split the list.
RE: W-31....on the road
Re: Split the list.
Re: Break in procedure
SB cam question
Re: Split the list./ Fastlane solution
Re: Modifying a 330/Been there, done that
Classic Olds Club
RE: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1364
Re: Split the list.
Re: two problems.....
list
RE: W-31....on the road
RE: W-31....on the road

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:40:38 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Repro Mirrors

Lloyd Ferguson wrote:

> I bought a pair of them from Specialty Olds and agree with you 100%.

How does the right side mirror attach then?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:44:49 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components

Stephen Hoover wrote:

> Anyone who is needing a set of the single piston calipers that GM used
> on the mid-size from '69-'77 - they are $11 w/$10 core charge at
> Autozone. The cheapest I have ever found these in a resto catalog was
> $49 each.

Can I use 69-77 calipers on a 68 rotor?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:02:22 -0400
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: '73 88 convert parts needed

I found a company called U.S.A. Parts that sells stuff for the '73 88.  I
ordered a top drive cable from them and they sent a catalog.  The only top
frame part listed is the top header bow.  Their website is
http://www.usapartssupply.com.  Does this person need the whole frame?
Hope this helps.

Jim Brady
1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible.

   Hello all. I have a customer with at 1973 Delta 88 Convertible looking for
an EXCELLENT to frame. If any of you have one for sale, please advise with
price and location in America. My customer is over seas. Thank your for your
time and in advance...
Skip Bollinger
Skip's Speed & Sport
1500 Northaven Drive
Gladstone, Missouri
64118 U.S.A.
816-455-2337
816-459-7547 fax
iATN Technical Sponsor
http://members.iatn.net/pages/oldcarparts.html

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:20:34 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Back from road trip

I was talking about a four lane highway as well!  A lot healthier in the right
lane.
Bob Blanchard wrote:

> At 10:27 AM 7/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >I do not know what the laws are in your state, but in BC Canada, it says
> that you
> >will travel in the RIGHT lane unless passing.  Driving in the left lane
> unless you
> >have to is an invitation to more head on accidents where the opposing 
traffic
> >lanes do not have any dividers or media.
>
> we were discussing on a multi-lane highway, not a back road.



- --
Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:24:16 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Remove from List

Could someone please forward the instructions on how to be removed from this
list? I thought I had them but they aren't working.

Thanks,
Jeff

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:36:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer, 455

>
>
><< I cranked my balancer to the specifed 120ft-lb torque. >>
>

Shouldn't that be ~ 160 ~ ft-lb (minimum) ?

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:40:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Carb ID...

<snipped>
 a Rochester "2 jet"
>carburetor.
>
>It's triangular tag says 7024110.
>
>So it is a 1964 two barrel carb, probably jetted for 394 (or 330?) if in fact
>it is from an Oldsmobile.
>
I think it is for an auto trans Chevy

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:29:16 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: W-31....on the road

That's right Olds lovers, with the help of several people, including
Dave Wyatt and Joe Padavano, I drove my W-31 yesterday.  It was the
first time in at least 8 years she's been on the road.  Dave came over
Sat and we started her up and tuned-up a few things.  Because the
original 350 burned some serious oil out of the driver side exhaust, it
gives the illusion that the 455 is burning oil, because of all the oil
still in the exhaust.  In fact when I had the headpipe fixed Sat morn,
the guy cut the pipe right after the tranny crossmember and smoldering
oil was pouring out of the headpipe.  The only thing of concern we heard
on Sat was what might be a bearing going bad, but it goes away after the
engine is warm.  I'm running 10W-30 Havoline and may have to get
something a little heavier.  On Sun, I put the driveshaft back in and
put in 4 quarts of tranny fluid, screwed around with the dwell (which I
don't think did anything) and then took her on the maiden voyage.  It
was at this time I realized a) this is an awesome car and b) it needs an
alignment REAL BAD!!!  But she cruised around the neighborhood at about
20-30mph fine.  And then I wanted to see what she could do.  So at one
of the stop signs I stabbed the throttle and..squeal, bounce, bounce,
bounce YES!!!! chirp the tires and wheel hop.  (There's your tire squeal
Dr. Bob...and it was great.)  So then I went to the gas station and then
took her on the (busier) road to get her going faster.  She was doing
fine and then at about 50mph the transmission either downshifted or
something because the tach shot up to 5K and after letting off the gas
to bring the rpms down it seemed a little bit like neutral, but I would
still move forward.  So I'm thinking I may have a problem with the
transmission, either slipping in 3rd gear or maybe on the shift from 2-3
as it seemed to act a little weird (FYI, it's the original automatic,
internal state of transmission is unknown other than a previous rebuild
sometime before I bought her).  So I'm gonna take her out again tonight
and see what happens and if I can't cruise at 50 without any problems,
then unfortunately she won't be making the trip to Springfield with me.
As I don't want to risk losing the tranny en route and missing any of
the show.

But the good news is she's back on the road again after being in
hibernation for at least 8 years.

Chris (who can now experience the thrill of driving his Olds) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 on the road again with a temporary new heart
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:33:04 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

I downloaded it and it looks great!! I am using Windows95 and was wondering
how do I get the screen saver into the little screen saver file box? The only
way I can view the saver is by unzipping it and then viewing it. Please H*lp!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:44:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Carb ID...

><snipped>
>BTW what makes you say it is a Ch*tty carb?
>
>Just the code?
>
Yes. Code. Last 2 digits ---- 1, Chev,   0 or even # = A/T

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:42:47 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: two problems.....

 Second Problem, brake pedal pushed down way too far.
>Opened the Master cylinder and the larger resevoir was almost empty!
Shouldn't
>there be a noticeable leak somewhere? If there is I can't find it. Should I
>hust replave both rear brake lines? I need your help on this one guys.
>Bruce

The large resevoir it for the front brakes. So look for a leak there.
that resevoir can be 1/2 empty just from worn pads also.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:03:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 72 442 Conv.

1972 442 convertible for sale $1800
AC, Power window, Bucket and console, 4 Spoke sport steering wheel,Good
floors and trunk.
Body has regular rot, in fender heals, quarters, and lower doors. Its a 350
cid 442 not the 455.  But is original motor. Car is located in Michigan.
Owner is located in Ontario Canada.
The owner asked me to post this message.  There is no number to contact him
by, all he want is who is intersted and your phone number.
Car has sat in storage past 9 years, in concrete floor garage.
E me privately

Thanks

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:28:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...

Well all... I'm gonna buy another Oldsmobile!  I was offered a deal that I
can't in good conscience refuse.  Tell me what'cha think... drove the hour
to Abingdon, VA last night to look at that '84 Delta 88 Brougham 2 door.
His description wasn't too far off... if anything it wasn't in quite as
good shape as he originally said.  Paint will be shiny after a light
buffing... if not just a fresh coat of wax.  Black paint job was done very
well by body shop. Right now has lots of dirt and crap from sitting for a
year on it. Windshield is cracked in two spots.  Header panel has a bit of
damage but nothing that isn't easily fixable.  Car is straight and rust
free. Interior has some wear... a little bit more than he implied... but
is certainly not very bad... a couple of small tears in the drivers-side.
Engine... well it is a 307... and has a few goodies on it like an aluminum
4bbl intake and the small cc 6A SB heads.  Also has an Olds bolt-pattern
700R4!!!  Motor is definitely shot... shot bad... rod was trying to come
out and play... car will DEFINITELY have to be towed.  I explained to him
about the window and the towning costs... which seem to double if you have
to cross the state line... and managed to talk him down to $125!!!!  I
haven't paid  him yet... still making towing arrangements... it'll be
officially mine soon though... I'm letting a buddy who's helping me by
fronting me the money between paychecks have the intake and heads for part
of the cost of the car... he's been looking for them both for his Cutlass
for a while now anyways.

Heh heh... $125... I feel like a dog... but I'm happy ;-)
A good BOP 700R4's prob. worth more than that?



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

	     SOON?
	     1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Brougham 2 door.
		(307, 4bbl, 700R4, 120k miles?)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:35:52 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: 65 Delta 88 Brakes

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Pajak [mailto:jspajak@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 4:51 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 65 Delta 88 Brakes


     Hey gang. I just unearthed the 65 Delta from its' parking spot in
the backyard. I want to start driving it some more. However, it loses
brake fluid slowly. I think the master cylinder is bad. I do intend to
go through the whole hydraulic system. My questions are:

1) Can I use a 67-up power drum style dual master cylinder with my
original power booster? I have the Moraine style master cylinder. I
guess the same question applies to our 66 Toro...oops wrong list for
that question :)

Definitely, get the 67 and up dual circuit master, but be sure to plumb
a variable proportioning valve into the rear brake line so that there is
correct pressure to the rear drums.


2) I saw an advert for Master Power Brakes. They offer a disc
conversion for the 65-70 big Olds (and Pontiac) that seems to use
later rotors/calipers. Has anyone scoped this out? Karl? Remember I
need to keep the LF wheel speedomemter drive! Not sure if my trans has
a plug in the speedo drive hole or it may be cast shut!

That there is a kit is news to me, but I've done this on my 66 98 and
it's great.

3) Of course scoring an OEM 65-70 disc setup would be way too cool!
Anybody got one?

Use any 88 or 98 as a donor from 68-70, but 70's are best because the
earlier disc brake years used exotic 4 piston calipers.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:24 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...

>
>Heh heh... $125... I feel like a dog... but I'm happy ;-)
>A good BOP 700R4's prob. worth more than that?

I would guess easily more than that.  Aren't brand new ones from B&M
worth like $1100 or $1200, but that is a Chevy bolt pattern, and we all
know those brand parts are much cheaper.
>
>	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
>		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

Hey, whats with the 65 Bonne...not that there's anything wrong with
that.


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 on the road after 8 years in hibernation
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:46:39 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: #'s h*lp please

In a message dated 98-07-13 08:48:42 EDT, you write:

<< Engine #'s  casting (block) 396021F    >>
Well, according to Hollanders, this block was used in cutlass '73/74 exc. W30,
Cutlass '75-6, olds 71-76, Olds f-85 '71 exc 442, Olds f85 '72 AT exc OAI,
Toro '71 late, Toro 72-76
      The intake looks to be a '70-72, including one 442 app.    Dorian

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:10:26 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Paging Fernando

Fernando, I lost your email address.  You sent me the picture of the brown
442.  I'm done, so I need to know where to send it.

Joe

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:25:35 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Value of this W30

Saw a 70 W30 advertised in the Washington Post last weekend and went to look at
it.  This is basically the car:

1970 442 W30, very complete, including functioning OAI hood, W30 intake, F
heads, 3:23 posi rear, power windows, tilt, A/C, rare? ralley red paint, dual
gate, very good original interior, PDB, red fender wells, orig owner car from
California, all numbers match, good bumpers, solid frame and floors, good
chrome, headliner, dash, carpet.  Little rust in right rear qrt repairable with
patch panel, bad second paint job, vinyl roof starting to peel.  He wants $7900
OBO.  Oh, and it won't start, claims the engine was redone 20K miles ago (odo
reads 81K) but it has sat the last 3 years.

I think this is a bit high priced.  Assuming the engine is easily fixable,
which may be a stretch, it would still take a good $3000 paint job and body
work to make it look good.  Then there's the extra costs to fix stuff that has
rotted from sitting so long.  I'm thinking a more reasonable price is around
$4000, unless he can prove the condition of the engine.  What do you guys
think?

Todd Morris
Program Marketing

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:30:00 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: two problems.....

In a message dated 98-07-13 09:36:49 EDT, you write:

<< The brake pedal is most likely caused by a small leak that slowly
 lowers the
 pedal as fluid escapes.You should pull wheels until you discover which
 brake cylinder
 or line is leaking.
  >>

Thanks for the info. I've since refilled the resevoir with brake fluid and I
still have an enormous amount of brake pedal travel, though the fluid level
remains constant. Does this mean there may be a pin hole  whick is letting air
escape?

TIA
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:09:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Repro Mirrors

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) wrote:
> How does the right side mirror attach then?

Since mine was NOS I had the template in the box. Turned out it was a
'70-'72 template, but it really wasn't too hard to do. I ended up
measuring the location of the holes on the driver's side door and
transferring these marks to the passenger door. The hard part was
drilling the holes -- hard because of fear of making a mistake more than
anything -- and then opening them up to the required "keyhole" shape with
a file (should have used the dremel, would have been easier).

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:33:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Split the list.

I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had gone
through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
present?

Thoughts?

_Am

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:33:33 -0500
From: bloom@mail.gorilla.net
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

Jim,
  Drag the screen saver file (has .scr file extension on it) to your Windows
directory. This will put it into your choices for screen savers. I usually
use
windows explorer to do the dragging.

At 11:33 AM 7/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I downloaded it and it looks great!! I am using Windows95 and was wondering
>how do I get the screen saver into the little screen saver file box? The only
>way I can view the saver is by unzipping it and then viewing it. Please H*lp!
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>
Fred K. (bloom@gorilla.net)
Tulsa,OK. area
'67 442
'67 Cutlass
		44   44  44   44  222222
		44   44  44   44   2  2
		4444444  4444444   2  2
		     44       44   2  2
		     44       44  222222
	

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:37:51 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: two problems.....

Bruce, seen this problem on two other vehicles now. The seals in the wheel
cylinders were slowly leaking, letting the pressure escape under load I guess.
Both people that replaced the seals seem to have fixed the problem. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:37:19 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Split the list.

Well, if we decide to split I would prefer something more along these lines:

	pre '68
	'68-'72
	'73-'79
	'80 - onwards
I think this makes more sense, given cars within these groups are more
related and have more in common.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew Metcalfe [SMTP:ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca]
> Sent:	Monday, July 13, 1998 1:33 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Split the list.
>
>
> I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had gone
> through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.
>
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
> subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
> present?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> _Am
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:42:34 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Screen Saver completed

Can someone send me a copy of this screensaver?  Please

> ----------
> From:
> bloom@gorillanet.gorilla.net[SMTP:bloom@gorillanet.gorilla.net]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, July 13, 1998 12:33 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Screen Saver completed
>
> Jim,
>   Drag the screen saver file (has .scr file extension on it) to your
> Windows
> directory. This will put it into your choices for screen savers. I usually
> use
> windows explorer to do the dragging.
>
> At 11:33 AM 7/13/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >I downloaded it and it looks great!! I am using Windows95 and was
> wondering
> >how do I get the screen saver into the little screen saver file box? The
> only
> >way I can view the saver is by unzipping it and then viewing it. Please
> H*lp!
> >Thanks,
> >Jim McKeague
> >
> Fred K. (bloom@gorilla.net)
> Tulsa,OK. area
> '67 442
> '67 Cutlass
> 		44   44  44   44  222222
> 		44   44  44   44   2  2
> 		4444444  4444444   2  2
> 		     44       44   2  2
> 		     44       44  222222
> 	
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:41:31 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: two problems.....

if the air is escaping then so is the fluid, make sure you have meat on the
pads and bleed master and lines

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:35:39 -0400
From: Bill Gochenour <gochenow@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
> Can someone send me a copy of this screensaver?  Please
>

- -------------------------

Make that a double, send it here too !

Thanks

- --

Bill !

1986 Cutlass 442 "The Perfect 10"             _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34		     |_|         |_|   
|_______|

		* * * * * * * * *
		* COMING  SOON  * --------> www.3STICKS.com
		* * * * * * * * *

	http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 7/9/98)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:44:28 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

More detailed subjects would solve all.
Cut, delete......
I have a folder for my Olds list e-mails, I have outlook look for all
incoming messages with the name oldsmobile@chebucto...  in the to: section
of the e-mail.
this makes it easy to delete old messages (about once a week).
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:30 PM
Subject: Split the list.


>
>I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had gone
>through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.
>
>Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
>subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
>present?
>
>Thoughts?
>
>_Am
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:50:30 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Modifying a 330

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    I am looking for someone who didn't give up on the 330 and actually =
made it perform.  I like the small block idea and am looking for someone =
who has done the same.
    Brett Wilson
    67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:54:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

I also use procmail to sort my messages into its own folder.  But still,
300 messages is *far* too many to have to go through after a couple of
days off.

_Am

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:53:42 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

I don't like the idea because it would be a lot more work for Greg, and I
enjoy reading the content about the older cars, not just the 80's.  Also, a
lot of list members have a car in each time group, so they would have to
subscribe to more than one list.

Joe

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:08:13 -0500
From: "Doug Beavers" <dbtech@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

Jim,

Copy the Un-zipped file to c:\windows directory and you be able to see it as
a choice for Screen saver!
DBeavers
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From: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed


>I downloaded it and it looks great!! I am using Windows95 and was wondering
>how do I get the screen saver into the little screen saver file box? The
only
>way I can view the saver is by unzipping it and then viewing it. Please
H*lp!
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:41:03 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

but say im a 75 guy and my frend has a 68 and has a Q,or if i see a 60?
or 80? for sale it will be to big of a hassul to tell you guys see what
i meen .

thanks
      Ryan

,>I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had
gone
>through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.
>
>Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
>subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
>present?
>
>Thoughts?
>
>_Am
>
>


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:44:47 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

if you are gonna be away for a few days, simply un-subscribe yourself from the
list and that will cure yourself for the 300 messages. if you are only gone
for a few days you wont miss that much. my .02

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:45:42 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  Ring and Pinion

So what ring gear can I swap with my 48 ring 22 pinion to make better
than 2.14??  (I know the math is not exact, but tell GM....)

I want 3.73, so I need a 82 tooth ring gear?


Hmm, Hey!  Will that fit in a 7.5in rear.....

I do have a 2.56 gearset in St. Louis, but it is 8.5 in.  Oh well.....

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:57:41 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Split the list.

I took a week off, and came to over 1500 messages. Took me over two weeks to
get through them all while reading the more recent ones.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew Metcalfe [SMTP:ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca]
> Sent:	Monday, July 13, 1998 1:54 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Split the list.
>
>
> I also use procmail to sort my messages into its own folder.  But still,
> 300 messages is *far* too many to have to go through after a couple of
> days off.
>
> _Am
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: 65 Delta Brakes

     Folks, I'd like to find a front disc setup for my 65 Delta. In
the meantime I'll just suffer with the drums. I think 65-70 88 and 98
stuff will work. Anybody got one within a 2 hour drive of DC?





==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:50:15 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

My second choice for most underpowered GM car is a 82 Chevy wagon, 267
2bbl, CCC, 2.56, THM200 4R.

At 6000 feet you could have it to the floor in 1st gear and a 90's
Cavalier would leave you like you were standing still.  At 105-115 hp,
this would WAY underpowered!

I have driven a 76 Cutlass with the 250 I6, THM350.  Would have been an
excellent bracket car, no matter what you did it would not go fast, but
it was consistent.  It would do 100 mph though, probably had 2.56
gears.....

As for non GM, 61 Ford Falcon 4dr, 2sp auto, 170 CID solid lifter I6, 70
mph top speed, and that was with 5 of us rowing to get it to go
faster!!!!!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:59:07 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting problem

Definately the switch...IMO! I had this same situation a few years back...

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:08:35 -0500
From: "Dr. David Ritter" <dritter@semovm.semo.edu>
Subject: RE:  Ring and Pinion

Ring gears and pinions are manufactured as matched SETS and should never be
broken up and used with gears from other sets (if you are going to drive the
car).

The reason that the math does not seem to "come out exact" is that the teeth
from the pinion actually mesh with the valleys on the ring gear (and there
are 47 of those on a 48 tooth ring). 47/22=2.136 round to 2.14

You must swap both the ring and pinion for a set with the desired ratio.
Watch out for carriers that will only take low numerical ring gears. Some
vendors sell spacers to accept ring gears that the manufacturer did not
intend, but this is not the strong way to go.
David Ritter

At 01:45 PM 7/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>So what ring gear can I swap with my 48 ring 22 pinion to make better
>than 2.14??  (I know the math is not exact, but tell GM....)
>
>I want 3.73, so I need a 82 tooth ring gear?
>
>
>Hmm, Hey!  Will that fit in a 7.5in rear.....
>
>I do have a 2.56 gearset in St. Louis, but it is 8.5 in.  Oh well.....
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:07:58 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 diesels...

Brett:
	I am unsure of what you message means.  I don't mean to be a dummy, 
but I can
read this a couple of ways.  Please throw a little more detail at me.  I.E. do
you have a block and a crank that you want to move or have they been modified?

Thanks,

Marty

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:10:02 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  Running hot!!!

Check the timing, if too low it will force gobs of heat into the
block/cyl walls instead of making horsepressure.   Same goes with slow
advance.

If coolant moves too fast it will run warm.  I use Non-AC pulleys on my
70 400 in my 80 Turbo Trans AM.  Wonderful thing, free HP from factory
parts!  (small crank, large (8in or so) water pump pulley!)

Is the front air dam missing?  that is a MUST HAVE, it will never
maintain temp no matter what you do if it is missing.  I have seen
people throw away tons of $$ to find that out.

Flaps on the control arms, you DO have them right?  They are on there
now aren't they?  Good, wouldn't want the high pressure from the wheels
to create a high pressure under the hood to impede airflow through the
radiator now wouldn't we?

Remember the basics, air moves from high pressure to low, so know that
we will pound this into our heads, we will never overheat again.......

Is the fan clutch bad?  HD cooling called for a 7 blade fan and a HD fan
clutch.  I used a HD fan clutch from a HD F#rd truck.  Nice of them to
make them fit Olds too.  Funny, the fan clutch was nearly identical to
my Pontiac Turbo 301, but the holes are a little narrower in the Pontiac
V8.  The 301 Turbo had a 7 blade, the "normal" cars got 6, some got 5.

I think the HD fan clutch was from a 460 truck.

I got my new Modine 4 core radiator listed for a SD455 and Turbo 301 at
Autozone in 1991 for $220.  NEW.  Should be close, Autozone can't screw
up the radiator from Modine unless they open it!  I do not know if it
will fit any Olds chassis, but I think it will.  The 78-88 cars (G-Body)
at least.  I had a radiator from a Olds Cutlass wagon diesel and it fir
fine.

The 301 Turbo has a cooling system capacity of 26 quarts.  Rivals nearly
everything in any car!

Best of luck!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:16:25 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Divorcing General Motors

We can drive Volvos when GM toasts all the jobs here and won't make anything
we want anyway.  Let the Chinese buy them.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:37:49 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

I've came back on Monday to over 300 messages many times. I almost expect
it anymore. But it's always over the weekend that it picks up...of course.
I think you may find if you're off a couple of days during the week, you'll
only come back to say...200! ; )

D-man


Andrew Metcalfe wrote:

> I also use procmail to sort my messages into its own folder.  But still,
> 300 messages is *far* too many to have to go through after a couple of
> days off.
>
> _Am

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:43:35 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: W-31....on the road

At 10:29 AM 7/13/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>That's right Olds lovers, with the help of several people, including
>Dave Wyatt and Joe Padavano, I drove my W-31 yesterday.  It was the
 [snip of great news]
>still move forward.  So I'm thinking I may have a problem with the
>transmission, either slipping in 3rd gear or maybe on the shift from 2-3
>as it seemed to act a little weird (FYI, it's the original automatic,

Sounds like your tranny's governor might be sticking; that'll give you
those symptoms. After sitting for eight years, I'd say it deserves a fluid
and filter change. Add a drain-plug at the same time, and pull the governor
to clean it up (Brakekleen or something should free up a sticking shaft) at
the same time.

I still have to get my SX aligned; I'm surprised how well it handles,
though, with no alignment shims whatsoever! :)

>internal state of transmission is unknown other than a previous rebuild
>sometime before I bought her).  So I'm gonna take her out again tonight
>and see what happens and if I can't cruise at 50 without any problems,
>then unfortunately she won't be making the trip to Springfield with me.
>As I don't want to risk losing the tranny en route and missing any of
>the show.
>
>But the good news is she's back on the road again after being in
>hibernation for at least 8 years.
>
>Chris (who can now experience the thrill of driving his Olds) Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>work: csmetana@dowagro.com
>
>1969 W-31 on the road again with a temporary new heart
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:35:48 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: #'s h*lp please

At 08:44 AM 7/13/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>OK these are the #'s from the 70 Pace car that I am interested in.  My main
>concern is that it does have the 455 and that is rarer than the 350 engine in
>the pace cars.  Was this a 350 that some one converted, or does it seem to be
>matching #'s.  Thanks again
>Body by Fisher plate
>ST  70  34467LAN406836   BDY
          ^^
That right there is the model code for the 442, which would have the 455
stock. Does the VIN derivative on the block stamping (below #1 cyl) match
the VIN on the dash?

>TR 970    10 A PNT
>O3D    Y74
>
>Engine #'s  casting (block) 396021F
>Stamp (oil filler) 0441935
>
>VIN (body) 344670M305606
>Heads right- E2*CFD  403686--   0640
>left  E3*  CFD  403686--   0620
>
>Exhaust manifolds Rt 402294 RH  AR * D2Z
>Lt 402295 LH *DZAC W
>
>Intake manifold 410448  *  D2B   03030
>
>Trans  8623500 General Motors corp
>70-OG
    ^^
And that's the 442 transmission

It sounds like it's got all the right 442 parts; what are the carb and
distributor #'s? It would be nice if those were original as well.
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:58 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Back from road trip - more driver's ed

At 06:52 PM 7/12/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>not wanting to argue I agree I have to put up with idiots like that all the
>time here in california they seem to have more here than anywhere else,,,kk

I have to agree; being from Rhode Island, there do seem to be more idiots
in California...

<ducking>

JUST KIDDING!!! But how often does someone give you an opening like that... ;)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:22:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear Shocks

At 07:07 AM 7/13/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>How do I install rear shocks in my 71 Cutlass?  Is it a hard job?

One addition to the previous advice; the top mount is installed with two
bolts *and* nuts; it helps to have a box-end wrench on the top of the shock
mount holding the nut in place when you loosen the bolt. Don't look up
while doing this, or else you'll get rust flakes in your eyes. Due to the
angle you must hold the wrench on top, your arms can get very strained; it
helps to have a helper turning the socket wrench (with long extensions)
while doing this.

_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:39:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Break in procedure

At 06:48 AM 7/13/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>        You must first fire the engine and run it to 1800-2200 RPM for 15
>minutes. This has to be done so you break the cam and lifters in. They need
>the oil splash that's there at these RPMs. After that you can shut it down
>and get ready to tune. It's best to start the car up with ONLY water in the
>radiator and NO thermostat. A fresh engine has hot spots that could cause
>overheating. Once all the brak in is done, put the thermostat and your
>cooant mixture in and enjoy.

I'd have to disagree about the no-thermostat deal; this may prevent the
engine from getting up to proper operating temperature on that break-in
run. Also, prime your oil pump with a 5/16 socket welded or lock-tited to a
socket-extension run by a drill, rotating your motor as you do this so you
expose the oil journals.

Also make sure your temp gauge is hooked up and operating, so you can shut
her down if she gets too hot (don't be surprised at 220' temps, though).
Also make sure there are no open vacuum lines, which could cause the motor
to run lean (and too hot).

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:11:13 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

At 02:32 PM 7/11/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>I have a small list of needs for my 442...Today was the first day that the
car
>has been driven in 24 years(legally and for a sustained distance...to work
and
>back). I was certain that the 4 year "frame-on" restoration was complete.
But,

Wow, what a feeling, huh? Like a high-school reunion.

>after having driven the car, I noticed that when the car is at full operating
>temp.(approx. 200*) I hear what seems to be "ratteling"/"knocking" when
>accelerating. I am positive that the timing is correct, as I recently(as in 2
>years and 60 miles ago) gave her(Norma Jean) a very exstensive tune-up. I am
>wondering if this could be the results of 93 octane Premium Unleaded. I was

Is this is under mild acceleration, or full-throttle acceleration? If it's
under mild acceleration, I'd say your current vacuum advance unit is giving
too much advance too soon; an adjustable vacuum advance recurve kit (such
as the $22 Crane unit) would allow you to dial back the amount of vacuum
advance, without sacrificing the total advance you run.

If it's pinging under heavy acceleration as well, then you probably have to
back off the initial or total timing as well. With the quality of gasoline
today (not just octane, but everything else, especially in reformulated
gasoline, is different), you have to deviate from the factory ignition
advance curve to make your engine run happy. You may find a few degrees
reduction of the entire curve is necessary, or only at certain points. This
is all trial and error, though, so good luck! It can be done, though.

>informed that the valves seats are going to need to be replaced with
>"hardended" seats...is this absolutely necessary?The motor (the whole car for
>that matter) has 29,000 miles on it.If the heads are going to need work,I may

Sure, your valve seats are going to wear sooner, so you may only get 80,000
miles more on the motor, whereas with hardened seats you could probably go
for 140,000 more miles. So, at the rate you're driving, it's a matter of
whether you want to get the heads redone in the year 2078AD, or in 2138AD.
It's your call...   ;)

If you're towing or running in 200 lap NASCAR races, where you're running
under constant heavy load, then you might want to consider hardened valve
seats sooner.
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:52:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

> I've came back on Monday to over 300 messages many times. I almost expect
> it anymore. But it's always over the weekend that it picks up...of course.
<snip>

I rather delete some messages I can't browse thru anymore than having the
hassle to read thru the stuff from 3 or more different olds-lists I would
be on anyway! There are too many things common to all oldses and this
list in the way it exists right now is a very very good source on common
questions too. (For ex.: It doesn't  matter how old your car is, when you
ask the people about the order you should restore things. That is
information everybody can use no matter what model/year he owns...)

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:36 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Copper Rad to Alum Rad

Here is a good topic.  Copper DOES have better heat transfer properties
than Alum, but.... (Isn't there always a but...)

Aluminum (with those plastic tanks) radiators are lighter.  Copper is
not very strong, Aluminum is strong, and because of that, aluminum can
have larger and thinner passages for the coolant to flow, and that means
more surface area, so it can actually cool better than copper, amount of
rows being the same.  And that means less leaks, easier to fix, etc,
etc.  You think the factory would pass up a way to put less radiator in
a car with the same cooling capacity, and save weight?

So you can have a more efficient radiator with less weight, (front end
weight!).

Look at the size of the tubes in the newer car radiators, you will be
suprised that they are nearly 3 times the volume its copper counterpart.


I will look for more info on the topic.  It can be involved.  If anyone
if a ME, they should know some about the surface area and ability to
give off heat.  I think it is fluid-dynamics.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC Aluminum 3 core
91 Bonneville LE 3800 Aluminum 2 core
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac Copper 4 core

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:05:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Split the list.

The list has already split --- I think more than once. Toro guys went off
quite awhile ago, & I guess there is an offshoot for Q4 folk.

Your point about number of messages is well taken, but I sure miss the
intellect & wit of some of the Toro folk. IMO, the list lost something with
that split.

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:58:06 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-31....on the road

>
>Sounds like your tranny's governor might be sticking; that'll give you
>those symptoms. After sitting for eight years, I'd say it deserves a fluid
>and filter change. Add a drain-plug at the same time, and pull the governor
>to clean it up (Brakekleen or something should free up a sticking shaft) at
>the same time.

Acutally, the fluid and filter was changed a little less than 2 years
ago.  This was one of the things my brother did for me while it was
sitting on the patio at my dad's house after buying it.  My brother also
helped me rebuild the master and run brake lines, put on new brake shoes
and bleed everything.
The governor is the round thing on the passenger side correct?  Just to
refresh your memory, its the original turbo 350, vintage 1969.  Although
I'm not sure I want to tear into the tranny.  Transmissions and I don't
get along, as I've had a couple bad experiences with them.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, George wrote:

> I rather delete some messages I can't browse thru anymore than having the
> hassle to read thru the stuff from 3 or more different olds-lists I would
> be on anyway! There are too many things common to all oldses and this
> list in the way it exists right now is a very very good source on common
> questions too. (For ex.: It doesn't  matter how old your car is, when you
> ask the people about the order you should restore things. That is
> information everybody can use no matter what model/year he owns...)

True.  How about this?

Maintain a .general list, which would be appropriate for things like
for-sales, plus questions like the one you mentioned about restoring.

Then have more specific lists, broken into years perhaps, for all of the
'how do I...' questions.  There seems to be a lot of these.

I'm just getting really tired of roaming through my folders hitting 'd'
because 95% of the messages don't apply to anything I'm doing.

What's the list owner's opinion?

_Am

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:56:50 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Break in procedure

The initial break in time 15 to 30 minutes is for many reasons, one is to
let the cam and lifters reach operating temperature, then you are supposed
to let it sit untill reaching ambient temperature (about 12 hours) this
process is used to harden the cam and lifters.  If you have ever had a flat
lobe on a cam you should know what I am talking about.  Every one has their
own way.
Brett Wilson
67 cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Break in procedure


>At 06:48 AM 7/13/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>>        You must first fire the engine and run it to 1800-2200 RPM for 15
>>minutes. This has to be done so you break the cam and lifters in. They
need
>>the oil splash that's there at these RPMs. After that you can shut it down
>>and get ready to tune. It's best to start the car up with ONLY water in
the
>>radiator and NO thermostat. A fresh engine has hot spots that could cause
>>overheating. Once all the brak in is done, put the thermostat and your
>>cooant mixture in and enjoy.
>
>I'd have to disagree about the no-thermostat deal; this may prevent the
>engine from getting up to proper operating temperature on that break-in
>run. Also, prime your oil pump with a 5/16 socket welded or lock-tited to a
>socket-extension run by a drill, rotating your motor as you do this so you
>expose the oil journals.
>
>Also make sure your temp gauge is hooked up and operating, so you can shut
>her down if she gets too hot (don't be surprised at 220' temps, though).
>Also make sure there are no open vacuum lines, which could cause the motor
>to run lean (and too hot).
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:01:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: SB cam question

Hello all,

I've a friend who is going through the 307 in his '83 Cutlass.  He's
wanting a cam upgrade but doesn't know what is available... or what will
work best with the 307.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a cam?  He
is wanting a good strong lope and a broad power range.  Any suggestions?
What have other's used?  Can he use a cam for an Olds 350?

Any information is appreciated...



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:55:04 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list./ Fastlane solution

If I KNEW I was going to be away from the PC for a few days...I'd
unsubcribe...then resubcribe upon return. My suggestion for driving on
freeways...When you get into a crowd of cars, ...go with the flow and keep in
mind that the 5 minutes that it takes to get around "grandma", only set you
back about 30 seconds from reaching you destination(hardly worth getting
excited about!) If you want to risk your driving record for cheap thrills(for
which I'm DEFINATELY guilty of) make up the lost time when traffic permits(or
lack of traffic...if you will), so as not to endanger the other drivers , for
with whom we must ALL share the road. On a final note...I feel that the
problem with current drivers is that we feel that a drivers liscense is a "God
given right"...IT IS NOT!...It is a privilage that we must soon start to EARN
before traffic accidents lower the speed limits back down to 55(saves
lives!...haha).I am scared that there are too many drivers that have little or
no "respect" for their cars...and what they can do with them....Im sorry, but
I really very seldom rant about a subject...It's the German in me that gets me
emotional about driving....Collyn Eastham.."65 Olds, "66 Mustang, '94 T-birdSC

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:07:00 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Modifying a 330/Been there, done that

I had a 55 chevy wagon with a 330 in it out of a cutlass.
Really ran good, strong performer
Thanks Coy

- ----------
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Modifying a 330
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:50 AM


    I am looking for someone who didn't give up on the 330 and actually
made it perform.  I like the small block idea and am looking for someone
who has done the same.
    Brett Wilson
    67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:55:31 EDT
From: <ALKlug@aol.com>
Subject: Classic Olds Club

I have just purchased a 1948 Oldsmobile.  I am wondering if there is a
"Classic Olds Club" available to join.  How do I find out information
regarding this club.
Thank you

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:15:03 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1364

Well, what I can find,

Copper has a Coefficient of Heat Transmission of    0.00404 BTU's per
second
Aluminum has a Coefficient of Heat Transmission of 0.00203 BTU's per
second

This is rated in BTU's, per second, through metal 1 inch thick, per
square inch of surface for a temperature difference of 1 degree F.

So you mechanical engineers can make more out of it.  Maybe interpret it
better for us.  This is from Machinery's Handbook, 24th edition.

At least yes, it is true that Copper transmits heat better, but.......

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:10:33 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

In a message dated 98-07-13 13:35:18 EDT, you write:

<< Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
 subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
 present? >>

How about two categories.
a) pertinent information regarding oldsmobiles
b) all other chit-chats

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:11:50 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: two problems.....

In a message dated 98-07-13 13:40:21 EDT, you write:

<< Bruce, seen this problem on two other vehicles now. The seals in the wheel
 cylinders were slowly leaking, letting the pressure escape under load I
guess.
 Both people that replaced the seals seem to have fixed the problem. Dorian >>

Worth a try.
Thanks
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:20:13 EDT
From: <TMitch1767@aol.com>
Subject: list

how do i get off this list. apparently nobody has 77 olds for witch i need
part`s

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:26:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: W-31....on the road

At 02:58 PM 7/13/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>>Sounds like your tranny's governor might be sticking; that'll give you
 [snip]
>
>Acutally, the fluid and filter was changed a little less than 2 years
>ago.  This was one of the things my brother did for me while it was
>sitting on the patio at my dad's house after buying it.  My brother also
>helped me rebuild the master and run brake lines, put on new brake shoes
>and bleed everything.

You've got a nice brother! The governor can stick, even when you're driving
the car regularly (did it to me this last winter).

>The governor is the round thing on the passenger side correct?  Just to
>refresh your memory, its the original turbo 350, vintage 1969.  Although
>I'm not sure I want to tear into the tranny.  Transmissions and I don't
>get along, as I've had a couple bad experiences with them.

Yes, it's behind that cover; don't have to pull the tranny pan to get at it.
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:35:56 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-31....on the road

>
>>The governor is the round thing on the passenger side correct?  Just to
>>refresh your memory, its the original turbo 350, vintage 1969.  Although
>>I'm not sure I want to tear into the tranny.  Transmissions and I don't
>>get along, as I've had a couple bad experiences with them.
>
>Yes, it's behind that cover; don't have to pull the tranny pan to get at it.

Hmm, how hard it is to do?  Do I need any gaskets?  What about torque
specs for the bolts?  Is it gonna cause a bunch of tranny fluid to come
gushing out?  Do I need any special tools to do this?  Is it something
that should be done on a cold transmission?  Or can it be done after
driving/road testing? Depending on how hard this is I may give it a
shot.  Thanks for any info.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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