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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 20 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1378



Re: NON Olds-Bookmark assistance???
Re: rust in 83 cutlass
Re: What to do?
weekend play
Re: (no subject)
Re: What to do?
Re: weekend play
wheel websites
Titleless cars
Re: weekend play
Re: What to do?
Re: Titleless cars
1969 Olds Covert in Seattle
Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: What kind of conv. top to get?
Re: weekend play
PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE
Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE
Here goes Chris again!
Re: show in CT
Re: show in CT
ORIGINAL 1960's G.M. PAINT
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
seats and pwr locks
Back on line
Re: Olds in historic news
RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Re: Olds in historic news
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Which vendor Jim?
FramingHAM (WAS Re: '72 VIN's...)
Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad
Re: Olds in historic news
Re: I'm Back (who cares?)Springfield Nat's
MOVING TO TEXAS
Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad
Re: Wife wants me to sell my 442
Re: Olds in historic news
Re: Single - Dual M/C Swapping
Performance HELP!!
Re: What to do?
68 442 fiberglass bumper
Spark plugs
Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad
72 Points Dist. & 72 Quadra Carb 4 sale
Re: Alcohol
Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE - A Carb Problem? (Me too...)
Re: What to do?
Re: Spark plugs
69 Brake Parts
RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
RE: 69 Brake Parts
RE: 68 442 fiberglass bumper
Re: 69 Brake Parts
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Karch's 69 H/O
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Re: Performance HELP!!

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:35:33 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: NON Olds-Bookmark assistance???

>Netscape dumped out half of my bookmark file, anyone had this happen?  It's
>happened twice now.  Don't know why.  First time, all my "personal toolbar
>bookmarks" got moved, and left only about half of 'em on the toolbar.
Moved 'em
>all back, and re-organized, and now, a few weeks later, they disappeared
again!
>But are completely gone.  Anyone have any experience with this?  Is there
any
>hope of having a trace file somewhere in cache or something that could
allow a
>revert?  Be nice to get my few pages of Olds bookmarks back! @#!$#^%$


I used to have that problem "randomly" too. I ended up just switching to
Internet
Exploder. ;-)

Anyway, you probably know that the Netscape bookmarks is/are just HTML
file(s). I used to keep a copy (unlinked) on my website for just such an
occasion.

I know it won't help you get back the ones you lost, but it will save a lot
of time
if it happens again.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:36:10 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: rust in 83 cutlass

Those A & G-bodies from 78-up are used a lot locally for Sportsman and
Modified roundy-round racers, and the problem with rust being bad enough to
cause the rear frame areas to break prompted local track officials to allow
the Sportsman cars to cut off the rear frame and replace it with rectangular
tubing (Modified cars cut these parts off anyway).  We did this on our car,
even though it's on a 71 frame.  I've seen them bad enough that a street car
didn't have anything to mount the bumper to!  But that's also due to the heavy
use of chemicals on the streets in the winter.

Just a penny-and-a-half from me, Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:34:57 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What to do?

>Yes, as a response to Charley and EJ, the thought of the car stolen >has
crossed my mind.  That is why parting it out would be my >choice.  If I find
out the car is stolen and belongs to someone else, I >am out of my wonderful
Delta and 1500 bucks.

Whoa!!!!!!! Think about what you just wrote. Are you willing to do time for
receiving and selling stolen property?  If you buy the car without a title,
atleast have the State police run the vin to try and find out if it is
clean. The seller should atleast have a pinkslip or receipt for it. Check
the registration card to see if it has the sellers name on it. (Match it to
his/her drivers license) You don't necessarily need the title to prove the
car isn't stolen. Do something just incase the worse is true, that way you
can prove that you atleast tried to find out. Cover your ass the
consequences may be steep.

my 2 cents,
Randy

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:41:28 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: weekend play

Over the weekend i finally decided to go woth the 255/60/15 up front and in
back feels alot better when turning yet i still have to tighten up the
suspension i also threw on a k&n airfilter Flowtech terminator muffler which
sounds really good and overall the entire car seems to move better and sound
better except for the sound of my lifters clicking at high rpm but that will
be taken care of in weekends to come when i throw in an edelbrock performer
cam and lifter set well i got to go to bed tomorow is monday and unfortunately
my weekend is over

James S.
84 Delta 88

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:47:22 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Larry Martino wrote:
>

Just what I was thinking.....

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Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:46:33 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What to do?

Ditto Charlie and the others (except the shady stuff).
Karl not broadcast machiavellian schemes.

BUT..
Lack of title should count AGAINST the selling price.

Just as a car dealer has to invest money in fixing flaws in a vehicle before
he sells it. You should insist on a title OR insist that a car without title
is worth substantially less as you have to endure the whole beauacracy (sp?)
thing to get one when you should not.

Just rankles me personally, guys selling cars w/o titles.

Joe.
You say you are in a Minneapolis suburb? I am personally curious as my
grandmother used to live in Brooklyn Center and my paternal grandparents are
in Bemidji. But that aside...

Go and *meet* the current owner.
If the guy I bought Soylent from did not have a title - no sale!
Even though I fell in love with her right away.
My guy might have meant well, but he was not bright, and I ended up paying for
repairs that I should not have done...
(like swapping a new pan because of that funky pan drain plug...)

So I am wasting time typing here when what I need to say is ...

No title?
WATCH OUT!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:54:16 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: weekend play

In a message dated 98-07-19 23:43:11 EDT, you write:

<< better except for the sound of my lifters clicking at high rpm  >>

sure that isnt spark knock?  might want to back off that advance a little.....
the little clicking noise might go away.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:55:40 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: wheel websites

anyone know of the websites or phone number to get a catalogue from places
like coker tire,stockton wheels, specility wheels??????

TIA
Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:07:50 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Titleless cars

No, not the golf balls...  Gotta look twice at that word...

> Just rankles me personally, guys selling cars w/o titles.

Around Montana, it's not too uncommon.  Havre's right between two Indian
Reservations, and we see many cars from them.  On the Reserves, US Government's
regulations don't apply.  They don't often even license their cars, since it's
not required.  Unless the car's leave the boundaries of the Reservations, then
regulations need to be met.  As a result, I've seen several cars change hands
for little more than a case of beer on a Friday night (nothing racial in that
statement, I hope it doesn't get misinterpretted by anyone.)  Anyway, cars
change hands often without titlework there.  Occasionally, they end up off the
res, and make it into non-Indian hands...  Many derby cars have their sources
there.  Many locals will take a weekend and just go driving (complete with car
trailers...)  See a car parked on a hill somewhere, doesn't hurt to stop and
inquire.  Give 'em $50 and haul their "junk" out of their way.  My GN had it's
roots there.  It's got a title, but the titlework wasn't complete.  Anyway,
titleless cars are out there, and with partially legitimate reasons...  They
just require a little more effort.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:09:22 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: weekend play

In a message dated 98-07-19 23:57:58 EDT, you write:

<< sure that isnt spark knock? >>

Ummm. Are you referring to knocking from too much advance in the timing?

Or is there another kind of knock?

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:06:17 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: What to do?

JCRASH7@aol.com wrote:

> Yes, when I get back on Friday, first thing I'll do is go see the car.  I 
will
> copy the VIN and have it checked out.  If the car's stolen, it will be a loss
> for me as I will need to continue my quest for a Cutlass further.
>
> Joe

Joe,
Although this may be a loss for you, think about the guy who had his car
(possibly) stolen.  By all means, do whatever you can to help him or her get it
back.  Even if this includes a bit of effort on your part, wouldn't we all
appreciate a fellow Olds enthusiasts help (or anyone else for that matter) in
getting our car back if some s.o.b. stole it?  I'm having a hard time
understanding some of the posts on this subject.
Do the right thing.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:54:58 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Titleless cars

>> Just rankles me personally, guys selling cars w/o titles.

In New Hampshire all title activity expires once the car is 10 years old.
All you need to register it is a bill of sale (just like selling a toaster).
In Maine it is almost the same but only for pre 1984 models. In New England
a title isn't even concidered on an old car.

Now here is WA state they are fanatics about titles(was that confusing when
I moved)
, it just matters what part of the country your in

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:21:59 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: 1969 Olds Covert in Seattle

So, did anybody else call on the add listed at Trader Online for the $6k
car?  Anybody got any thoughts on the deal?

And anybody got any ideas on how I can get Eudora 4.0 to stop screwing up
the tab stops on my signature (at the bottom of this message)?  I've tried
everything I can think of.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:15:24 EDT
From: <Socalolds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

David,
There's a wheel manufacturer here in my city that can manufacture all of the
wheels shown on that site. I have an account with them and can definitely save
you some money. Which ones were you interested in?
Dennis

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:28:31 EDT
From: <Socalolds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What kind of conv. top to get?

Greg,
The prices for installation seem low.  A proffesional installation job
including top,window,cables,pads should run about $750.  Any average joe shop
can install them for $400-$500. The tops I use are made by Hartz. I suggest
installing the single thckness top. The installers are correct when they said
the double thichness top does not fold right. In addition they weigh more and
due to the extra thickness get pinched and tend not to last as long. Try and
look up a customer who had thier top done two or three years ago. Thats the
proof of the pudding. Good luck
Dennis

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:14:50 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: weekend play

Also, get some gears (3.08s or 3.23s).  You can find them on 77-85 Deltas,
Regencys, Caprice, Custom Cruiser, LeSabre, Park Avenue, all other wagons
of this size, ext.  I got my 3.23 posi out of a '78 Lesabre with 403
olds/TH400.  These were tow gears.  I found that buicks have a little tag
that tells you the gear ratio on the bold fo the cover, instead of you
having to pull the cover and read the stamp on the gears.  If you go with a
edelbrock cam, the car will be way faster with those gears and the cam will
like them much better.  Being an '84, you almost for sure have OD.  Your
fuel economy will be almost unoticed, the car will have tons of more power
and it will still cruise really nice on highway.  I know, I have OD in my
Regency.  Like I told you befoure, do all the work you want on the 307, but
unless you get gears, it is not worth it.  Sure, you may beat your friends
305s all day long, but once real competition comes you MUST be able to
stand up to them and keep the great '80s Delta name.  Igor.

P.S.  If you have any questions about the rear ends just ask me, I can
help.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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> From: HOFFAX181@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: weekend play
> Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 9:41 PM
>
> Over the weekend i finally decided to go woth the 255/60/15 up front and
in
> back feels alot better when turning yet i still have to tighten up the
> suspension i also threw on a k&n airfilter Flowtech terminator muffler
which
> sounds really good and overall the entire car seems to move better and
sound
> better except for the sound of my lifters clicking at high rpm but that
will
> be taken care of in weekends to come when i throw in an edelbrock
performer
> cam and lifter set well i got to go to bed tomorow is monday and
unfortunately
> my weekend is over
>
> James S.
> 84 Delta 88

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:23:42 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE

Please somebody tell me what's going on with my Olds.  My car is blubbering
out of the exhaust. When I torque the motor up and leave it blubbers, but if
I just nail it their is just a little blubber. At high rpm's their is no
blubber, as a matter of fact it sounds great. It's just at the lower rpm's
I lost three races in a row because of this.  It was a terrible weekend for
my Olds.
Somebody Please Help me.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:38:16 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE

Please describe in more detail. What kind of Carb do you have?

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> Please somebody tell me what's going on with my Olds.  My car is blubbering
> out of the exhaust. When I torque the motor up and leave it blubbers, but if
> I just nail it their is just a little blubber. At high rpm's their is no
> blubber, as a matter of fact it sounds great. It's just at the lower rpm's
> I lost three races in a row because of this.  It was a terrible weekend for
> my Olds.
> Somebody Please Help me.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 03:43:57 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Here goes Chris again!

Hi all,

Well I am at it again.  Saw another 68 442 HT.  Just had to go and see
if it
was for sale.  I haven't been taking my medication lately :-)  Anyway it
is
almost a carbon copy of my Saffron car, except in better condition
body-wise.
Interior was redone incorrectly.  Hope the kid (16 year old) who has it
will
sell it to me.  I'll keep everyone posted.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:31 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: show in CT

In a message dated 98-07-19 02:55:40 EDT, you write:

<< Is anyone from the list going to the CT show on july 26 in meridan
  >>

There's a good chance I'll be there.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: show in CT

  I'll try to be there, but I might be going to Virginia, so I might
not be around.

stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:34:56 -0400
From: "John/Linda Hetherington" <pdq@emag.on.ca>
Subject: ORIGINAL 1960's G.M. PAINT

I HAVE RECENTLY ACQUIRED THE FOLLOWING ORIGINAL
1960'S ERA (OEM) GENERAL MOTORS  LACQUER PAINTS THAT
ORIGINATED AT THE G.M. PLANT IN DETRIOT MICHIGAN.
..
I BELIEVE THIS IS AN UNUSUAL AND UNIQUE FIND THAT
WILL BE OF GREAT INTEREST TO ANYONE WISHING TO
KEEP THEIR G.M. CAR COMPLETELY ORIGINAL.

I WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATIVE IF ANYONE COULD PROVIDE
ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, SUCH AS SPECIFIC YEAR / MODEL
THAT THESE CODES REFER TO.


   MFG
*CODE*        *COLOR*                       *QUANTITY*

J 584972  ?  MEDIUM BLUE                        5
J 566529   -  COPPER                                      6
J 566281   -  GOLD                                          4
J 566804   -  MEDIUM LIGHT BLUE           4

K 560437  -  SILVER                                       5
K 560681  -  BROWN                                     1
K 570251  -  MEDIUM GREEN                     2
K 580028  -  SILVER/GREY                           4
K 584988  -  LIGHT BLUE/TURQUOIS       5


QUANTITY SHOWN ARE (US) 1 QUART CANS.  ALL  CANS
HAVE BEEN INSPECTED AND ALTHOUGH CANS HAVE SOME
EXTERIOR SURFACE RUST, ALL PAINT IS UNAFFECTED AND
IS AS NEW.


Best Regards;

John Hetherington
Ontario, CANADA
pdq@emag.on.ca

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:31:48 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

I saw this car there and it didn't look to hot. It was kind of dirty on the
inside, and he never opened up his hood at the nat's. While I was looking at
this car a man came up to me and started talking about Hurst-Olds. He said
that he knows where there is a documented 68 Hurst-Olds with white interior. I
thought that they only made them with black. Is this possible.
Jim

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:34:45 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: seats and pwr locks

I have an 82 and 85 cutlass supreme I want to put the seats from the 85 into
the 82 is there any way to take out the back seat havnt had much time to look
just wondering how hard it is and the 82 I just got has power locks but they
dont work checked fuses all fine ,everything works fine any ideas
Thanks in advance
Rich
81,82,85 cutlass

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:40:41 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Back on line

Hi, gang.  I'm back from vacation (if you can call dragging three reluctant
kids through the cathedrals and castles of Europe a vacation).  While
non-Olds content, I can report that Monaco was the cool car-watching spot.
While waiting for a bus, no less than a Viper, a new V-8 Lotus Esprit, and
a 92 Bugatti 110 (one of only a hadfull built) drove by.  Also got to visit
the Prince's car collection, which included some very cool stuff.  Sole GM
representative was a 73 six-cylinder Camaro (go figure).

It's good to be back.  Looking forward to Carlisle this weekend.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:48:34 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in historic news

> Hmm... Just saw a news clipping.  On this date in 1969, Senator
> Kennedy took his car for a swim...  They showed pictures of the
> car, sitting sideways in the water... [...] Appears to be a
> 67 98???  67 Olds Big Car, anyways!

I had always thought it was a '69. If anyone can find a photo on
a web page or someplace, it would be interesting. Figure that
Sen. Kennedy would be unlikely to be driving around in a two or
three-year-old car, and even a '69 model would be almost a year
old by that time, assuming he bought it new when it first came
out in late 1968...

BTW, I saw a promo on the Fox network for a new show coming out
in late August called (I think) "That '70's Show", and caught a
glimpse of what looked like the front fender and marker light of
a '68 or '69 Cutlass in that light shade of Uncertain Green that
was so popular back then. Will have to look out for that ad again...

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:58:05 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

Hmm, I didn't see this one in Springfield.  But since it had Iowa
plates, this is probably the same one that I saw in Lansing.  Strange
thing is I always thought there were only 2 69 HO converts built, but
this guys sign in Lansing said 1 of 3.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 driveabel but still no 3rd gear
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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>From: 	DROLDS350@aol.com[SMTP:DROLDS350@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 20, 1998 8:31 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Cc: 	DROLDS350@aol.com
>Subject: 	Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
>
>I saw this car there and it didn't look to hot. It was kind of dirty on the
>inside, and he never opened up his hood at the nat's. While I was looking at
>this car a man came up to me and started talking about Hurst-Olds. He said
>that he knows where there is a documented 68 Hurst-Olds with white interior.
>I
>thought that they only made them with black. Is this possible.
>Jim
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:56:50 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds in historic news

> Hmm... Just saw a news clipping.  On this date in 1969, Senator
> Kennedy took his car for a swim...  They showed pictures of the
> car, sitting sideways in the water... [...] Appears to be a
> 67 98???  67 Olds Big Car, anyways!

Which, of course, brings to mind the all-time classic Mad Magazine ad
parody showing a Beetle (which was famous for it's ability to float) on the
water and the headline:  "If Ted Kennedy had owned a VW, he'd be President
now".

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:01:55 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

There were a few '68 H/O cars that were converted to white interiors at
the dealership. I have never heard of one with white interior from the
factory.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)



> He said
>that he knows where there is a documented 68 Hurst-Olds with white
interior. I
>thought that they only made them with black. Is this possible.


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:28:35 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Which vendor Jim?

OK Jim, out with it! Which parts vendor? We've got to know! :-)
Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)

>A guy who owned a 70 Rally Red W30 wrote a sign and placed it in front
of his
>car telling people not to buy from a certain parts vendor telling how
he was
>sent the wrong parts, got the wrong parts, and a ton of other
complaints. Well
>this certain parts vendor found out about the sign and went over to the
guys
>car trying to rip the sign up and take a swipe at the guy who wrote the
sign.
>The vendor wasn't to succesful because there were at least 20 guys
agreeing
>that this parts vendor was bad and were on this guy's side. A very
interesting
>incident!!!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:32:07 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: FramingHAM (WAS Re: '72 VIN's...)

> >However, just CURIOUS, is it Framingham or Framington:

> It's Framingham, Mass. Sorry, sometimes the fingers don't type what my brain
> is thinking.
>
> Randy

At the risk of posting something bordering on the "me too" type of thing,
just lookit my tag line :)  And yes, I've visited the Framingham plant
when it was in operation, in 1973 or so.  It was big news when it was shut
down, I know folks who lost jobs because of it.

Other Pertinent Olds Stuff:  After searching for the many months since I read
about it here on this lauded list, I've *finally* found a Lindburg
'67 442 W-30 kit, at Walmart.  Now, I've perused this store many times for
this kit -- as well as the Toys-R-Us and Michaels -- and this was the first
time I saw it on the shelves.  Real neat that the car phographed for the box
is painted Spanish Red like mine :)

So now I have 2 Oldses on which to work during my increasingly scarce spare
time.


Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
- ------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:31:56 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad

I was planning on asking list memebers who read JWO to give me an honest
opinion of its quality and content. Having read only three JWOs, I was
alarmed at the sloppy grammar and the apparent lack of proofreading. When
most articles require a reread for clarity, it's pretty bad. I was quite
suprised after seeing this in all three issues. I feel this reflects
negatively on the OCA as an organization and to the membership who foot the
bill. I don't think I'm being picky either, if you've read it, you'll have
to agree. I don't know how this relates to Ms. Casteele's resignation, I'm
sure there were other issues involved. However, the present editing quality
of JWO is poor at best.

The stories are great, just a little tough to read.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 8:10 PM
Subject: OCA Nat's News - Bad


>All,
>I don't have all the details yet and will get the full story but...
>
>OCA CEO & Journey with Olds editor Penny Casteele resigned by letter at
>the OCA Board meeting on Thursday.
>
>Brad Nicholson
>OCA's WebGuy
>brad442@erols.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:39:04 -0400
From: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: Olds in historic news

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> > Hmm... Just saw a news clipping.  On this date in 1969, Senator
> > Kennedy took his car for a swim...  They showed pictures of the
> > car, sitting sideways in the water... [...] Appears to be a
> > 67 98???  67 Olds Big Car, anyways!
>
> I had always thought it was a '69. If anyone can find a photo on
> a web page or someplace, it would be interesting. Figure that
> Sen. Kennedy would be unlikely to be driving around in a two or
> three-year-old car, and even a '69 model would be almost a year
> old by that time, assuming he bought it new when it first came
> out in late 1968...
>
> BTW, I saw a promo on the Fox network for a new show coming out
> in late August called (I think) "That '70's Show", and caught a
> glimpse of what looked like the front fender and marker light of
> a '68 or '69 Cutlass in that light shade of Uncertain Green that
> was so popular back then. Will have to look out for that ad again...
>
> -- Andy
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The car that Ted Kennedy was driving was a 1967 Delmont 88 sedan. I
remember watching a documentary type thing on A&E bout' 2 years ago ???
on that. They actually do reenactment(sp?) type clips in this in which
they use another Olds sedan.....looked like a 65 or 66 88
(Dynamic,Jetstar ?) or possibly a Starfire. All in all considering what
the car went thru, It really did'nt look that bad, when it was pulled
out of the water.  My dad had a 67 fastback when I was a kid, and some
teens stole it, and pushed the car over onto it's side. As young as I
was at the time I remember after the cops called/found the car, my dad
said to my mom, I'd better have a tow truck meet me and I'll bring the
title with me, because the car is probably trashed. When he got there,
him and god only knows how many cops, or the tow truck, ???  rolled the
car back over on to all fours. The only damage the car substained was a
big squiggly wiggly scrape all the way from the front bumper, to the
back bumper. He got in it, and it fired right up without missing a beat.
To this day......I'll always remember this.......this is one of the main
reasons I fell in love with Oldsmobiles.
							E.J.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:47:25 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: Re: I'm Back (who cares?)Springfield Nat's

Yes, I had a great time also, even though my car didn't make it.  I
talked with and meet several people including Mark Cornea, Jim McKeague,
Everett Horton, Mike Siedlik, Bryceman, Tom Williams, Bill Rielly and a
few others (sorry if I missed someone).  Congrats Jim on the 2nd place.
I picked up a few items like my shop manual, which also helped out Mark
Cornea and myself determine which emissions decal would be correct for
my car (what did I ever do w/o this shop manual!)
And that incident with the individual and a certain parts vendor was
interesting indeed!  My wife and I were at his car reading the sign and
talking with the owner about our experiences with the particular vendor
in question when the vendor came over.  I'm just curious as to what the
ramifications of this incident to the hobby and this vendors reputation
and business and going to produce.
Hey Jim, let me know if the picture of that guys sign turns out.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:14:16 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: MOVING TO TEXAS

Sorry this is not entirely Olds but my dad has a 69 442 convertible.
Anyways, I'm moving from near Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada to
Galveston, Texas in mid August.  I have a job there.  If there is
someone from the area who would be interested in answering a few e mail
questions, please e mail me privately.  Yes I know its hot.....but its
cold here in the winter.

Greg Schwartz

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:55:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad

I don't know all the details either, but you need to keep several things
in mind when commenting on the editing as you have (and incidentally, I
do not think it's as bad as you say):

First, almost all the articles are contributed and unpaid, so right off the
bat you're dealing with a quality level below that of regular magazines.  You
have to take what you can get, and I know it's sometimes not easy to get
people to agree to write articles. Secondly, these people are not
professional or even part-time writers; they are hobbyists who took the time
to put something down on paper and send it in. I mean, geez, look at the
posts here sometimes and tell me how you are supposed to edit some of these
things?!? JWO deals with the same problem. Not everyone can write well
anyway, and keep in mind we are dealing with people from a wide range of
backgrounds. I wouldn't want to even try and edit some of the articles (the
current Joe Mondello series comes to mind, none of which have impressed me
with their clarity) -- how would you know what is a typo and what is some
techncial term or part number?

I do agree that the obvious typos are disconcerting and need to be taken care
of, but you also have to remember that Penny inherited the job when her
husband Dennis passed away. I don't know if the quality was all that much
better before, since I only got a few issues before he died. It seems to me
fairly consistent with the quality of other club magazines I've seen (the
much heralded Buick Bugle for instance, which is not really any better or
worse than JWO). She may or may not consider herself an editor by profession,
I don't know. You are dealing with a circulation that is fairly small and
what I assume is a fairly small budget too, so the standards are not going to
match that of Collectible Automobile magazine.

Hopefully what will come out at the end of all this is an improved
magazine, but I hope they even publish in the interim if this was a
total surprise to the board -- it's not a job I'd want to tackle. I can't
imagine putting out something like this (what is it, 10,000 copies or
so?), handling the mailing, editing and so on, is easy. I hope she left
on good terms and all, given the legacy that Dennis left behind. It would
be a shame for something like this to end badly.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:10:54 -0400
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Wife wants me to sell my 442

>DILEMA #1
>So now comes the hard part, what exactly to do.  I love my current car
>even though it has the following problems:
>	needs some rear brake work
>	eats some oil
>	has weak floorpans
>	has rust in the quarters and wheelhouses
>	has some small rust in the drivers fender
>	the paint on the passenger door is crazing
>I was thinking of finding a donor body and swapping the body (cheaper
>than replacing all the rusty parts), but now that I may be selling it,
>I'm thinking I could get more $$ parting the car rather than selling it
>whole (i.e.-OAI, wing, console w/dualgate, rallye pak, etc) or keep some
>of the parts to "upgrade" the next car.

Man, that's a sharp looking car!  I hope you sell it as is if you want a
rag top!  I'm sure it is a little rough looking close up but it is complete
and reliable if it got you from MD to NC.  What part of MD?  I'm on the
Eastern Shore of the Peoples Republic of Maryland, Pocomoke City.  I also
drove down to NC for Vacation the last two years.  Anyway, that car looks
too good to part out.  I wish I could make you an offer because I would
love to have a '70-'72 hardtop.  Good Luck, the Vista Cruiser is one slick
looking wagon.  I got a detailed look at one in St. Micheals Maryland.  I'd
love that little tinted window above rear seats!  Later.

Jim Brady

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:13:03 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in historic news

>Appears to be a 67 98???  67 Olds Big Car, anyways!

I'm looking at a photo from the Chappaquiddick incident, Looks like a dark
blue 1967 or  Olds 88, post sedan.

>I had always thought it was a '69. If anyone can find a photo on
>a web page or someplace, it would be interesting.

photo of car can be seen at:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/01/kennedy.tragedies/



>Figure that Sen. Kennedy would be unlikely to be driving around in a two or
three-year-old car, and even a '69 model would be almost >a year old by that
time, assuming he bought it new when it first came out in late 1968...

As for Teddy driving a 2-year-old car, remember it wasn't his and that
Chapaquiddick is a tiny island south of Martha's Vineyard, so the car
probably stayed on the island. Not likely that a Kennedy would have to drive
his own car on the ferry to M.V., then another ferry to Chappaquiddick.

Paul L. Fikaris
fikaris@en.com
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
OCA  #30353

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Single - Dual M/C Swapping

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

...I *may* go to a dual reservoir M/C.

I would like to hear from those of you who have done this swap.

In particular, what modern style M/C will bolt onto the 1965 Bendix type power
booster?...
_______________

Karl,

I recently did this swap on Tom Simmons' 65 Cutlass.  I suspect the A-body
hardware is similar to that of the big cars.  The bottom line is that you will
need to swap the power booster in addition to the master cylinder.  The
problem is that the pushrod on the power booster which operates the master
cylinder is longer for the single reservoir units than it is on the dual
reservoir units. Unless you completely disassemble your power booster and cut
down the pushrod (which, by the way, only allows about 0.010" tolerance on the
length), a replacement is required.

Once you get past the power booster problems, you'll also need the
distribution block from a drum brake dual reservoir car (I assume you're
keeping front drums for now) and new brake lines from the M/C to the
distribution block.  The lines to the front brakes will likely need to be
replaced, as they will be routed differently (and thus almost guaranteed to be
too short) to reach the distribution block.  The rear brake line will likely
be a smaller diameter than the size for which the distribution block is
designed (probably 3/16" vs 1/4"), so adapters will be required.  Also, if
you're bending your own lines, be aware that each port on the M/C and
distribution block use unique (and non-standard) flare nuts to prevent
incorrect installation on the assembly line.  These parts are virtually
impossible to get new, so plan on reusing old ones.  The best bet is for you
to find a donor car with the correct power booster, M/C, distribution block,
and lines and grab it all.  Even if you plan to bend new lines, you'll have
all the unique fittings.  Naturally, you should either plan to rebuild a
junkyard M/C or get a rebuilt unit.  Dual reservoir brakes were introduced in
the 1967 model year.

Good luck

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30






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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:29:33 EDT
From: <LawLyndEr@aol.com>
Subject: Performance HELP!!

I own an 83 Buick with the 307 Olds engine.  I need some ideas on what to do
too wake it up.  The car has 80,000 miles on it but has been very well cared
for by the previous owners and myself. Believe it or not the previous owner
changed the oil every 1000 miles.  I would like to buy a new set of heads and
port and polish them. Install a Edelbrock Performer Plus camshaft and intake.
Possibly go with a gear change to something like 3:42's.  I will be keeping
all emission equiptment.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: What to do?

> OTOH, if it ~is~ stolen (and doesn't belong to any of us on the list) you
> could go "repossess" parts of it, like wheels, etc. and ~then~ call the cops
> on the guy!!!!!  Hard to report parts stolen when cops find a stolen car in
> your backyard!!! (you didn't hear it from me, though! :)


"...and doesn't belong to any of us on the list..."

It belonged to ~someone~.  Someone who knew enough about Olds to buy an
H/O.  And since the former owner doesn't know about our list, this makes
theft from the thief alright?  Pardon me, but anyone that does this is a
disgrace and a scumbag in my book.  I would hope that Olds owners would
stick together better than that.

If you find out that the car is stolen, do you civic duty and report it.
Don't be a delinquent.  Two wrongs don't make a right.
- --
Drew

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:23:44 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: 68 442 fiberglass bumper

Do any of you guys know of a source to aquire a 68 442  fiberglass front
bumper ?
         Thanks   Butch  68  442  post

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:37:26 -0700
From: "Joe Carey" <jcatgktw@email.msn.com>
Subject: Spark plugs

I posed this question last week but no one responded.  I just installed new
rapid-fire plugs in my 307.  The plugs were pregapped at .045 but the manual
says to use .060.  Does this make a difference?

Thanks
Joe C.
87'  442

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:58:26 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's News - Bad

Re the comments on the sloppy editing of JWO.  I'd agree.  The content of the
stories is great but sometimes I wonder if someone even bothered to turn on the
spell checker.  Pretty basic editing seems to not be there at all....

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:09:48 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 72 Points Dist. & 72 Quadra Carb 4 sale

I'm cleaning house and have a 72 points distributor for sale. It was from a
72 442 with a 350.
It worked perfectly and I also have the coil. I believe that it is the
original distributor that came with the car. I'm asking $20.00. I'll even
throw in the wires which are about a year old.

The quadrajet is also form a 72 442 with a 350. This is the original
numbers carb that came with the car. IT is partially dissasembled but all
the parts are there. It is rebuildable. I'm asking $30.00 for it.

E-Mail me PRIVATELY

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:11:37 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Alcohol

In a message dated 98-07-19 16:05:37 EDT, you write:

<< I have used it a couple of times. When you get water in your gas tank it is
 a big problem because the water is heavier than alcohol and it stays on the
 bottom of your tank (or carb). Rubbing alcohol will mix with the water and
 make it go on through >>

isnt that essentially "dry gas"?
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:16:09 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE - A Carb Problem? (Me too...)

In a message dated 98-07-20 08:23:54 EDT, you write:
<<
 Please somebody tell me what's going on with my Olds.  My car is blubbering
 out of the exhaust. When I torque the motor up and leave it blubbers, but if
 I just nail it their is just a little blubber. At high rpm's their is no
 blubber, as a matter of fact it sounds great. It's just at the lower rpm's
 I lost three races in a row because of this.  It was a terrible weekend for
 my Olds. Somebody Please Help me.>>

Hmm... sounds like someone else had problems this weekend.  I've got something
that sounds similar (not sure about the technical term of "blubbering"
though.... :-).

Anyways, I'll describe what has occured, and see what everyone thinks.
Since the new motor has went in the carb has seemed to disperse gas (like the
float bowl gasket is soaking it up, then it evaporates from there), and it
seems to be running slightly rich, and changing the mixture screws never
changed anything (using a vac. gauge on it...).  The car ran decent, but got
about 10-12 miles/gal.

Anyways, I figured this weekend I'd get a gasket kit for the carb, and just go
through it some to see if I could help it out some, and hopefully improve gas
milage (and a little performance).  So then after going through this carb I go
to mess with it and it seems to be running real good, so I go to take it for a
test run, and as I'm pulling out of the garage, and start moving down the
street it starts acting lean (give it gas, and it revs. some by itself, and
takes a bit to get back to idle, typical of a lean condition).  As I take it
back into the garage, the exhaust note sounds noticably different.

After messing with it a bit, I take the carb apart again to see if it looks
ok.., put it back on, check the plugs (they look whitish, but not too
bad....), pull the muffler (which doesn't seem to change things, so not
plugged, I'd guess).  After this it seems to run a little better.

Here's what it does now....
Idle in park - sounds ok, slightly different from before (prior to work).
Idle in gear - sounds strange (certainly different from before) (here's the
"blubbering that was mentioned...).
Slowly accelerate (in park, and a little while driving) - it stumbles, and
runs roughly (I revved it up to 2500 RPM, still doing the same...)
"Punch" the throttle (in park) - it "jumps up good, and hard like it should,
but doesn't sound bad)
"Punch" the throttle (in drive) - it seems to "hesitate" slightly, but then
takes off as it should.
Running at speed (50-65 MPH) - Seems to run fine, sounds good
"Mashing" the pedal (as in to pass) - Seems to be fine

Any takers as to what it may be?
Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:21:23 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: What to do?

In a message dated 98-07-19 22:59:38 EDT, you write:

<< Yes, as a response to Charley and EJ, the thought of the car stolen has
 crossed my mind.  >>

I inadvertantly bought a car that was stolen. For some reason DMV couldn't
find a match for the VIN on the registration. A week later, the guy I bought
it from in Pa. was arrested for stealing cars after a standoff with  state
troopers. When I saw his picture on TV, I couldn't believe it was the same guy
who sold me the car! It was! Luckily, I finally got title and ended up selling
it to a Laywer! True story.
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:44:33 -0400
From: James Drollinger <jdrollin@dcn.att.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plugs

Joe Carey wrote:

> I posed this question last week but no one responded.  I just installed new
> rapid-fire plugs in my 307.  The plugs were pregapped at .045 but the manual
> says to use .060.  Does this make a difference?
>
> Thanks
> Joe C.
> 87'  442

  Joe,

  YES it does make a difference. Go with what the book calls for, assuming the
book  you are referring to is acurate / correct. I would suggest sticking with
the correct A.C. Delco plugs.

Jim D.
69 442,
76 Cutlass S
78 Cutlass S,
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:46:36 -0400
From: robert.m.moore@juno.com (Robert Moore)
Subject: 69 Brake Parts

I have a 1969 Olds Vista Cruiser and I am looking for some springs for
the rear brakes.  These are drum brakes (Bendix with Fixed Anchor and
Self Adjuster).  I need the Parking Brake Strut Rod Spring (this is a
spring that looks a lot like the holddown springs, but it goes on the end
of the rod that connects the front shoe to the rear shoe).  I also need
the return spring that goes under the Adjuster Lever (this is the lever
that sits on the teeth of the Star Wheel Adjusting Screw).  Is there a
source for these springs?  I have tried some local parts stores to no
avail.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Robert.M.Moore@juno.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:53:12 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

...Strange thing is I always thought there were only 2 69 HO converts
built, but
this guys sign in Lansing said 1 of 3.
Chris Smetana
______________

Perhaps the sign should have read "Number 3 of 2..."   ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:57:00 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 69 Brake Parts

Don't places like Fusick or Supercars carry these?  I'm not sure if Year
One does as I'm pretty familiar with their catalog and I don't think
they do or at least I don't recall if they do.  I have a 69 4-4-2 parts
car that probably has the items you mention, but I wouldn't recommend
used brake springs.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	robert.m.moore@juno.com[SMTP:robert.m.moore@juno.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 20, 1998 12:46 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	69 Brake Parts
>
>I have a 1969 Olds Vista Cruiser and I am looking for some springs for
>the rear brakes.  These are drum brakes (Bendix with Fixed Anchor and
>Self Adjuster).  I need the Parking Brake Strut Rod Spring (this is a
>spring that looks a lot like the holddown springs, but it goes on the end
>of the rod that connects the front shoe to the rear shoe).  I also need
>the return spring that goes under the Adjuster Lever (this is the lever
>that sits on the teeth of the Star Wheel Adjusting Screw).  Is there a
>source for these springs?  I have tried some local parts stores to no
>avail.  Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Robert.M.Moore@juno.com
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:00 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 fiberglass bumper

What about US body source of whatever that place in florida is called?
Also try Dick Miller, I saw a bunch of fiberglass items in his catalog I
picked up at Nats.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	B. Vosburgh[SMTP:bob442@svic.net]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 20, 1998 11:23 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	68 442 fiberglass bumper
>
>Do any of you guys know of a source to aquire a 68 442  fiberglass front
>bumper ?
>         Thanks   Butch  68  442  post
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:24 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Brake Parts

Robert,

> I need the Parking Brake Strut Rod Spring
>I also need
>the return spring that goes under the Adjuster Lever

Neither of these springs are included in any of the axle kits sold by
the major brake manufacturers. Both of these springs however are sold in
carded pairs and are carried by most reputable parts stores. The problem
is that they are not cross referenced to individual vehicles, so you
must take your old ones in and match them up. If you still can't find
them email me privately and I will get you the part numbers from the
ones I have at home. They are either Raysbestos or Bendex springs (I
can't remember, but both offer these springs).

Hope this helps,


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:17:25 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

> ...Strange thing is I always thought there were only 2 69 HO converts
> built, but
> this guys sign in Lansing said 1 of 3.

Three were definitely known to be built from Demmer contacts, but one
was trashed early.  Reports of as many as 5 have surfaced, though no
documented proof exists.  One is supposed for sale for millions???,
looks like crap, and there's another in California??? and even ANOTHER
by a guy in IOWA???....not sure....supposedly Doc Watson has one too,
but I just got a feeling his MAY be a later conversion thing.  Again, no
proof, just a feeling.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:24:22 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

>Three were definitely known to be built from Demmer contacts, but one
>was trashed early.  Reports of as many as 5 have surfaced, though no
>documented proof exists.  One is supposed for sale for millions???,
>looks like crap, and there's another in California??? and even ANOTHER
>by a guy in IOWA???....not sure....supposedly Doc Watson has one too,
>but I just got a feeling his MAY be a later conversion thing.  Again, no
>proof, just a feeling.

Wow, there sure are a lot of these around with only 2 supposedly known
to be left.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:30:10 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: Karch's 69 H/O

I'm sure everybody would be interested in this but especially Mike
Rothe.  I checked out Kurt Karch's 69 H/O while in Springfield and I
also talked with him for about an hour.  Real nice guy, I showed him
pics of my 69 W-31 and he said it brought back memories of when he was
driving his 69 year round for a couple years.  Anyway the new paint on
his car has a definite green tint to it, especially at certain angles in
the sun.  It looks real good though.  But you can definitely tell a big
difference between this new paint and paint on other 69s, in fact Kurt
still had some of the old paint on his car in the wheel well area that
he hadn't touched up yet.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:43:25 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

> now im thinking....is this a real one or a fake? so i say to him.........this
> must be quite a piece of history here. he replys " ya.....linda vaughn and 
doc
> watson drove this one." YES!!!!!!! here's the real thing.

Too bad I wasn't there.  I'd have asked him just a few more questions.
I'm VERY interested in documenting these convertibles, just for the sake
of doing so, because numbers can tell you a lot about a 69 H/O.  Sounds
like what you've described, it probably is a true H/O, but keep this in
mind as well, that back in the late 70s/early 80s, 69 H/O parts were
still available from GM dealerships, and were somewhat cheap by today's
standards.  A fake CAN be done, however, it is quite expensive, and
someone really needs to know the history of them to do it accurately.

Sounds like the car that was at the anniversary in Lansing last year.
Mike Blankenship said he saw the dealership protecto plate that had
Hurst Performance on it, but that to me has some questionable merits,
since Hurst got the cars directly from Oldsmobile in the first place.
Why would a dealership need to sell a car to Hurst, when he's already
got it?...just a point to ponder.

I've always had my doubts about some of the "many" 69 H/O convertibles,
since no one seems to have the VINs for these cars.  This to me is very
disturbing.  Although very cool cars even if faked, I have to wonder
each time someone tries to "hide" something on them...(Kurt Karch said
the VIN on the dash was conveniently covered up, inadvertantly
perhaps?)...if I had a gennie convert, you betcha I'd have some
documentation or title search done to show what it really is.  Can't be
THAT many owners.  I wonder why all the convertible owners don't cough
up some sort of definitive info?

Just some ramblings.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:01:40 -0400
From: James Drollinger <jdrollin@dcn.att.com>
Subject: Re: Performance HELP!!

LawLyndEr@aol.com wrote:

> I own an 83 Buick with the 307 Olds engine.  I need some ideas on what to do
> too wake it up.  The car has 80,000 miles on it but has been very well cared
> for by the previous owners and myself. Believe it or not the previous owner
> changed the oil every 1000 miles.  I would like to buy a new set of heads and
> port and polish them. Install a Edelbrock Performer Plus camshaft and intake.
> Possibly go with a gear change to something like 3:42's.  I will be keeping
> all emission equiptment.  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Thanks,

  There are a couple of things to pep it up a bit. Install a distributor 
advance
kit, check for timing chain wear & replace if more than 7 degrees of play (that
is a rough figure). Advancing cam timing would increase low end performance and
keep it emissions legal. Gears will make a big noticeable difference & cheaper
than intake system replacement. With a single exhaust heads would make little 
if
any change. It also seems that I have seen higher stall speed converters for
lock-up type transmissions, but install a trans cooler if a higher stall is
installed.  If you are sold on a cam replacement do it last, I mean after rear
gears & converter , in order to properly choose grind. Hope this helps out, and
my opinion not a prof. mechanic.

Jim
69 442,
76 Cutlass S
78 Cutlass S,
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
other GM's

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