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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 17 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1314



Homecoming Show 6/20
Coys alive ! 68 info/ ralle stripes
Re: Steering rebuild help!
Re: Literature from Faxon's
Re: Olds in movie
10 bucks for help
Re: Show in CT
Re: Hub Caps
Re: 10 bucks for help
Re: Olds in movie
Re: rallye stripe set/search!
Re: rallye stripe set/search!
69 exhaust pipe hangers
Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers
Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers
Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers
[none]
Re: rallye stripe set/search!
Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me
64 Paint/Trim Codes
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheels
motor/frame mounts // 231 to 350 swap
Re: motor/frame mounts // 231 to 350 swap
1967 Delta 88
Re: 1967 Delta 88
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
June JWO
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheels
Wanted: '87 442 stripes
Re: Steering rebuild help!
Re: Literature from Faxon's
Fenders- fiberglass VS sheetmetal?
Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
Re: 70 Ralleye 350
Re: Fenders- fiberglass VS sheetmetal?
Starter Dropping??
Resto Questions
455 Questions
Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
Water Pump
Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
Junk It...
Re meeting wed
5 or 6 speed swap
My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!
Re: Year One exhaust
Re: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
Continuing saga
Re: Starter Dropping??
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: Water Pump
Re: Water Pump
Re: Water Pump
RE: Wanted: '87 442 stripes
RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
RE: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
Re: 10 bucks for help
Re: 10 bucks for help
tires (was: RE: question on 84 cutlass supreme)
Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:28:39 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Homecoming Show 6/20

FYI, I will be setup with all of my restoration decals, look for the
white tent with the '70 W30 by it. Please stop on by!
		There will be a number of us that will caravan from Novi, MI. 
We will
be meeting at the Meijer parking lot at I-275 and 8 Mile Rd at 7:00am
and arriving in Lansing approximately 8:45am. See ya there!

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>

            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:49:02 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Coys alive ! 68 info/ ralle stripes

coyster@earthlink.net
Yes, Im alive. My son and I have been putting in the 7day week again and
18+ hours a day cause racing and car show season is upon us in Las Vegas.
We have had great response on our stripes and our other products. Plus we
have 7 vehicles of our own that we maintain, show or race. With trips to
California for shows and swap meets, and picking up cars and parts,
designing new patterns and all that other stuff, its hard to keep up.
But I am not going to complain. My wife bought me a 68 442 4 speed car,
cause she says I am still a kid and need to spend more time in the garage.
Don't know if thats good or bad.

I will post all the 68 info tomorrow on location, size and stripe kits
available.
The Ralle 350 stripes are comming along. Slow but sure.
I hope to by July 4th weekend to have a set cut for Jim who is helping me
do the patterns for test fitting.

Thanks Coy

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:56:41 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Steering rebuild help!

Sounds like you're well along the way on the steering. The pitman arm
requires a special gear puller -- not functionally different from a steering
wheel one, but very different size/shape. The drag link/pickle fork problem
may just need a BFH (big fat hammer). Since these are safety critical
parts they should need a heckuva a lot of force to separate. If the pickle
force combo fails and you're willing to sacrifice the parts the drag link
connects to you can use the puller on these joints too, but I'm pretty sure
you'll destroy the threads and cotter pin holes on the other parts by doing
so.



At 06:31 PM 6/15/98 -0700, ef01@sprynet.com wrote:
>Hi, I am new to the list. I recently purchased a 1966 Delta 88
convertible. It
>been off the road for three years. My goal is to get it to pass New York
State
>safety inspection and drive it this summer.
>
>I finished the brakes and now I am trying to repalce  the drag link and
idler
>arm.
>
>My problem is I can't get the inner tie rods to seperate from the drag
link. I
>tried using a pickle bar with no luck. Does anyone make a special puller for
>this? I been to three parts stores and all they have are pickle bars.
>
>Also is there a puller to seperate the drag link from the pitnam arm? I
ordered
>a shop manual, but it has not arrived yet so forgive me if the general
covers
>this.
>
>What about dropping the pitnam arm from the steering box. I have access to a
>pitnam arm puller and the outer tie rods are out. This would allow me to
work on
>these parts on the bench and then I could use a sledge hammer on the
pickle bar
>or I could even get the parts pressed out. What size is the socket for the
>pitnam arm? I measured 1 - 3/8" would like to make sure I don't want to
buy the
>entire 3/4" set.
>
>Finally can I heat these parts, propane and/or oxy-act? Any help is greatly
>appreciated.
>
>
>
>
cf

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:48:21 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Literature from Faxon's

Howard,
My experience about 10 years ago was identical.
Faxon's is a very reputable information dealer.

Good for them


At 10:02 PM 6/15/98 -0400, Howard Tarnoff wrote:
>I just wanted to let you folks know how satisfied I am
>with FAXONS Auto Literature.  I just received a shop manual,
>Body Service Manual, Owners Manual, Convertable Manual, Showroom
>Brochure and Sales Reps Ref. Binder for my 68 98.
>All were exactly as represented.
>
>This is very refreshing.  I have purchased other stuff that was
>totally misrepresented before.
>
>Faxons get two thumbs up.

>H Tarnoff
>68 98 Convert
>55 F*rd F100 "Effie"
>
cf

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:41:00 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in movie

In the opening scenes of "Things to do in Denver When You're Dead"
one of the leads (Andy Garcia? I forget...) drives into town in a
1973 Delta 88 convertible; the entire opening sequence consists of
shots in, of and from the car. What happens after that I have no
idea; I fell asleep shortly thereafter.  :-)
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:21:32 -0400
From: olds@interconti.com
Subject: 10 bucks for help

         To all:

         10 dollars for help - I can't seem to find anywhere a
         picture or diagram of the actual connection to the body
         of a convertible top frame for a 1970 Cutlass supreme.
         I know mine is screwed up and don't know how it is
         supposed to be - the top frame is just resting on the
         inside of the quarter panel.

         If anyone has a top manual and can fax me a couple of
         pages showing this connection - I will send them 10
         bucks (to the first I recieve - and I'll anounce on the
         list who)  I have tried to order a top manual and all
         sources seem to be back-ordered indefinately.

         My fax number is 203-326-3501

         thanks for the help.
         Scott

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:31:46 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Show in CT

In a message dated 98-06-15 22:24:43 EDT, you write:

<<
 Anyone know about an Olds Club Show in CT?

 Thanks

 Howard
  >>
     July 26th rain date Aug 2,   at Alderman  Oldsmobile Cadillac in Meriden,
Ct
 9AM to 3PM  show info call Steve Minore 203-639-9951 or Scott Platt
203-235-1686


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:57:13 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Hub Caps

Sam:
Please advise what year and what style they are.  If they are something I want
I would have you ship them to me via UPS on my account number.

Let me know.

Thanks,

Marty

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:29:41 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: 10 bucks for help

Try Andrew Coard   acoard@hotmail.com

olds@interconti.com wrote:

>          To all:
>
>          10 dollars for help - I can't seem to find anywhere a
>          picture or diagram of the actual connection to the body
>          of a convertible top frame for a 1970 Cutlass supreme.
>          I know mine is screwed up and don't know how it is
>          supposed to be - the top frame is just resting on the
>          inside of the quarter panel.
>
>          If anyone has a top manual and can fax me a couple of
>          pages showing this connection - I will send them 10
>          bucks (to the first I recieve - and I'll anounce on the
>          list who)  I have tried to order a top manual and all
>          sources seem to be back-ordered indefinately.
>
>          My fax number is 203-326-3501
>
>          thanks for the help.
>          Scott

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:32:26 -0700
From: Dave Parker <davep@davescomputer.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in movie

How about The Blues Brothers Movie... "..the new oldsmobiles are in!"  You
have to look quick for the 1980 models in the showroom! (as they drive
through the plate glass window!)

Dave
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham


At 09:23 AM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>How about the 71 convertible Cutlass in "I Know What You Did Last Summer".
>It was in the parade pulling the main float.
>Brett
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: michael burlingame <miburli@email.msn.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:38 AM
>Subject: Re: Olds in movie
>
>
>>In Spike Lee's Malcom X movie Malcom is driving a 63 Olds.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 12:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: Olds in movie
>>
>>
>>>Don't forget that John Cusack also drived the red early '80s 98 Regency.
>>>But of course, since it is a big boat and no Cutlass, it is less likely to
>>>be recognized.  Just kidding.  Sometime though, I thik too much emphasis
>is
>>>given to Cutlasses.  I know that they are the most influential and
>>>practically the only performance Oldses, but there are others as well.
>>>
>>>Igor Todorovic, UofC
>>>1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
>>>1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
>>>1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
>>>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the
>line)
>>>1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)
>>>
>>>----------
>>>> From: Illini Pipeline <bfoley@ezl.com>
>>>> To: 'oldsmobile list' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>>> Subject: Olds in movie
>>>> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 12:57 PM
>>>>
>>>> I watched "Midnight in the garden of good and evil" last night and
>>>noticed a red '71 Cutlass Supreme Conv. with white top.  John Cusack is
>>>arriving in town and the cutlass passes in front of him as he walks across
>>>the street.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:29:13 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: rallye stripe set/search!

> anyone know where i can get a stripe set (decals) for my rallye 350?
Try Auto Decals Unlimited, Don't have the phone number handy right now,
but they have a web page.  They claim to have every decal for ANY car.
And with my help, they now have the best '69 H/O hood scoop decals you
can find....prices aren't outrageous either, but not sure about complete
stripe kits.  You might also try Stencils and Stripes. Can't remember
the number for them either. Got my "vendor" book around here somewhere,
but I don't know where I put that thing...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:39:07 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: rallye stripe set/search!

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> Try Auto Decals Unlimited, Don't have the phone number handy right now,

Auto Decals Unlimited, Inc.         PO Box 61774
         Phoenix, AZ 85082-1774

         Phone: (602)220-0800
         Fax:   (602)220-0700

http://www.autodecals.qpg.com/

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:49:13 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 69 exhaust pipe hangers

Ok, as everyone is already aware, I was looking for mid eighties
442/Hurst tailpipe hangers.  And, with that said, I've also seen people
looking for 69 442/Hurst exhaust tailpipe hangers.  I was just
wondering, is the 68 442/Hurst hangers the same as 69?  If so, I wonder
how much of a market there would be in looking into getting these
reproduced?  Just some ideas...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:59:50 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers

Mike Rothe wondered:

is the 68 442/Hurst hangers the same as 69?  If so, I wonder
how much of a market there would be in looking into getting these
reproduced?  Just some ideas...
   I'm pretty sure the 68-72 442/Hurst/SX/Rallye 350 (ie, all cars with the
   notched back bumper) all use the same hangers.  Sounds like a
   substantial market; I've long been surprised that no one has repro'd
   these yet.  (uh...does the Rallye have a notched back bumper?)

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:09:16 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers

>    I'm pretty sure the 68-72 442/Hurst/SX/Rallye 350 (ie, all cars with the
>    notched back bumper) all use the same hangers.  Sounds like a
>    substantial market; I've long been surprised that no one has repro'd
>    these yet.  (uh...does the Rallye have a notched back bumper?)
>
Yeah, Rallyes are notched.  However, the 68?/69s are attached to the
lower part of the bumper bracket itself, where the 70-72s were attached
to the frame.  Just a bit different.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:20:23 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 69 exhaust pipe hangers

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> Yeah, Rallyes are notched.  However, the 68?/69s are attached to the
> lower part of the bumper bracket itself, where the 70-72s were attached
> to the frame.  Just a bit different.

Affirmative on the 68s.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:21:08 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: [none]

It appears that due to cost and time, I need to manufacture some rad cradle
supports. Does any one have the dimensions of this piece that they could
send me? I need to know the dimensions of the square pad (width and height)
, length of the round section, and dimensions of the metal piece inside it.

TIA

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:56:13 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: rallye stripe set/search!

I have called them up asking if they have the stripes, and told me to try
Brothers. I know 3M makes the decals. Does anybody have 3M's phone number?
Jim


<< Auto Decals Unlimited, Inc.         PO Box 61774
          Phoenix, AZ 85082-1774

          Phone: (602)220-0800
          Fax:   (602)220-0700

 http://www.autodecals.qpg.com/
  >>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:32:39 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me

I talked to Recon Engine rebuilders directly and they use whatever core
they have available at the time. So don't expect to trade in a 365 horse
10.5:1 CR  455 and get the same back. They did tell me that if I send them
a motor, they will rebuild it to my specs, but the price will vary
depending on the parts used and extra machining.

I've asked my mechanic friends about the Pep-Boys motors and they all agree
that they sell a quality motor and haven't had any problems with them. My
dad bought a Ford 302 from them, for a '62 Austin-Healy kit car he built,
and the thing runs great. Since it's a ragtop I wish he would let me put a
rollbar in it so I could try it at the track. 1200 pound car with a 302 and
4-speed. A skateboard that hauls A**!!!!

Back in January, when I talked to Recon, I wanted to replace the 350 in my
Cutlass with a 455 and figured that would be the easiest and cheapest way
to go to get a 455 already redone. ($1496 without core) I decided to hold
off and build one the way I wanted. So.........basically if you want a
quality rebuilt generic low compression motor at a decent price I'd say go
ahead and buy one at Pep-Boys or another parts store. Personally, I want a
few extra bells and whistles. So I'll wait until I have the $$$$ for what I
want.

Later,
Randy


> > Sweet...  Does anyone know which 455 block this is modeled after?
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:11:41 -0700
From: lundberg@gesd.k12.az.us
Subject: 64 Paint/Trim Codes

I'm not really sure, but I think I'd like someone to FAX (602-547-2253)
me a copy of anything setting out PAINT & TRIM CODES for a 1964 CUTLASS.
Thanks in advance.
Loren Lundberg

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:04:06 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheels

i have one of those also,the one i have is a 70. one of the guys that worked
for me found it in his attic. he filed the bubble off ,painted it red like the
bracket car i had at the time ,painted a dial-in on the window and left it on
my desk one day. the catch to it was he put a fictious dial-in(real slow) as a
joke. him and the other guys were all che*y people and always ragged on me!! i
always had the last laugh though::::::::: i had the faster car!!!  sx455

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:05:09 PDT
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <phatgersch@hotmail.com>
Subject: motor/frame mounts // 231 to 350 swap

I am in the middle of a 231 to olds 350 swap, and I am having problems
with the motor mounts.  I have the frame mounts off of the 77 442 the
350 came out of and am putting it in a 82 Calais.  Which motor/frame
mounts should I use.  It appears the 82 frame and 77 motor mount combo
will be to high, but I can't tell for sure.  Any help would be
appreciated.  Also if anyone has any hints or things to watch out for
when doing this swap feel free to chime in.  Thanks.

Joe
82 CSC

PS I am also using the TH350 from the 77.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:23:43 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: motor/frame mounts // 231 to 350 swap

At 04:05 PM 6/16/98 PDT, you wrote:
>I am in the middle of a 231 to olds 350 swap, and I am having problems
>with the motor mounts.  I have the frame mounts off of the 77 442 the
>350 came out of and am putting it in a 82 Calais.  Which motor/frame
>mounts should I use.  It appears the 82 frame and 77 motor mount combo
>will be to high, but I can't tell for sure.  Any help would be
>appreciated.  Also if anyone has any hints or things to watch out for
>when doing this swap feel free to chime in.  Thanks.
>
>Joe
>82 CSC
>
>Joe,
>        Not sure about the 77 stuff,Get some 307 mounts from a junkyard
and note location on frame.You should be able to use the crossmember from
the 77 with slight mods.
>                    John
>
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:39:54 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: 1967 Delta 88

I have a 1967 Delta 88 that I bought as a donor car for my 67 Delta droptop.
However, the car is a one owner, 77,000 mile car, equipped with a Starfire
engine.  Watching the conversation on the list about performance Oldsmobile
engines, it seems to me that this engine may be something special.  Is it ?
If so, how special is it ?  Or is it a common engine, not particularly
worthy of attention ?  This engine is cammier than any of my other big block
Oldsmobiles, except for the 442.  It came with factory dual exhaust and, of
course, a four barrel carb.  Pulls real good, too.  If anyone has a feeling
for or about this engine, I would appreciate some input. TIA, Peter.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:45:42 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: 1967 Delta 88

If they didn't change the Starfire engine from 66 to 67, then yes, it is a
rare
bird -- 375 horsepower 425. You're right about the special cam, it was
second only to the Toronado in HP, since they competed for the 2
door luxury end of the Olds line. They didn't want to have 2 offerings
for the segment hence the Starfire was killed in 1966. If I were you, I'd
keep the Starfire motor presuming it's as good or better than the
Delta one. The factory dual exhaust pieces are especially rare ( including
the transmission shift rod).

Was just talking today with someone about building a phantom
1966 starfire convertible from a delmont convertible and starfire pieces...

Any other questions, just yell (well, o.k., write..)


At 07:39 PM 6/16/98 -0400, Peter Berusch wrote:
>I have a 1967 Delta 88 that I bought as a donor car for my 67 Delta droptop.
>However, the car is a one owner, 77,000 mile car, equipped with a Starfire
>engine.  Watching the conversation on the list about performance Oldsmobile
>engines, it seems to me that this engine may be something special.  Is it ?
>If so, how special is it ?  Or is it a common engine, not particularly
>worthy of attention ?  This engine is cammier than any of my other big block
>Oldsmobiles, except for the 442.  It came with factory dual exhaust and, of
>course, a four barrel carb.  Pulls real good, too.  If anyone has a feeling
>for or about this engine, I would appreciate some input. TIA, Peter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
cf

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:26:58 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

B. Sanders wrote:
>
> Now, if you ever come across a Matchbox '70 442 with Redline tires and stars
> & stripes on the hood that's in VG - EX condition, it'd be worth $200 -
> $600, depending on condition, color, version, etc...  But good luck finding
> one of those in good shape, cuz they were made in the '70's (or maybe early
> '80's), and they've mostly all been played with for 20 or 30 years.  I've
> actually seen some sell for more than $600!

Blaine,
A couple of months ago there was one that sold on ebay for $2,600.00!!!!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:42:41 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: June JWO

Hi folks,
            Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who replied
privately to my unofficial "poll" the other day, asking if other OCA
members hadn't received their June issues of "Journey with Olds".  Some
people told me they'd tried the voice-mail number, with no luck.  I sent
a fax last Wed., (June10th) and received my replacement copy today.
(Postmarked June 13th.)  If other OCA members with the first-class mail
option still haven't seen your newsletter, try faxing them at
(517) 321-8770.

Later,

Doug Newman                              Columbus, Mississippi
1987 442                              OCA # 30311
http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:42:07 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheels

>> Not quite, but I saw a '69 today.
>  That's a 70, Charley.  It was supposed to be a Fire Chief's car

70???  I'll have to get a second look at that!  (if it's not ~lost~ under a
couch by now...)
- --
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mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:48:35 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Wanted: '87 442 stripes

Olds folks,

In preparation for a paint job on my 1987 442 next spring,
I have been trying to locate a set of stripes for the car. I
have been able to locate all the stripes and decals that I
need EXCEPT for the left rear quarter panel and the rear
bumper cover.

I have the Black/Silver paint scheme with gold pinstripes.
If anyone has, or knows of a source for these stripes,
please contact me.

Also, on the chance that I can't find these stripes does
anyone have suggestions on how to get the car painted
and retain "originality"? I could have the stripes hand
painted or individual stripes done by a detailing shop
I suppose. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks,

- -Mark Tupper   1987 442
mtupper@palacenet.net       http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Steering rebuild help!

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 ef01@sprynet.com wrote:

snip
> My problem is I can't get the inner tie rods to seperate from the drag link. 
I
 > tried using a pickle bar with no luck. Does anyone make a special puller for
 > this? I been to three parts stores and all they have are pickle bars. >
Also is there a puller to seperate the drag link from the pitnam arm?

	I rented what the parts store called a "Universal Tie Rod Puller".
It looked like a pitman arm puller with arms that swivel.  I was able to
pull both the inner tie rod ends and the pitman arm from the drag link of
my 1972 Cutlass with it.  It worked great and did not damage the seals.


Russell Coons
1972 Cutlass Conv.
1972 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Literature from Faxon's


     I was just wondering if you could tell me where you got the
Faxon's manuals from.
  I've been looking for manuals for my car for a while now.  All I
have is a Chilton's manual for 1970-1987 cutlass.  It barely has any
helpful information specific to my car.  It is VERY generalized and
most of the info. is for the 80's models. I'm looking for something
specific to my year.  The Chilton's manual doesn't even have a VIN
number listing for 1970.

    TIA
    Stefan
    sgadecki@yahoo.com
    1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe





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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:26:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fenders- fiberglass VS sheetmetal?

   I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons of
fiberglass fenders as an aftermarket replacement on my 1970 Cutlass
daily driver.  Has anyone done this?  Did it work well?  I live in
Massachusetts, where metal tends to disintigrate within minutes of
being exposed. :^)


     TIA,
        Stefan
        sgadecki@yahoo.com
        1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:31:55 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

Non-F41 cars got the 195/75R14 tires, F41-suspensioned cars got 205/70R14,
H/O's got 215/65R15.

I have 225/60R14's on right now and there is no rubbing whatsoever.  If you
are going for new tires, I highly recommend the BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.
They are very high-quality-looking and offer great traction on the road
(dry).  Wet running is a different story, but if you aren't racing some AWD
Eclipse around corners, you'll be in fine shape...  :-)

Also, 225/60R14's are very close to the 205/70R14's diameter, so speedometer
correction wouldn't be necessary.

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn McCollum <shawno22@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:21 AM
Subject: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme


>Question for everyone...
>
>I am about to have front springs/shocks installed on a 1984 Cutlass and new
>tires...Anyone know what the factory size tires were on this car??  75 R14,
>p195 or P205???  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Shawn

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:16:22 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

Charley, I do know that both wheels were offered in 1988.  I've seen factory
promo shots with the "magnesium" (Chrome SSIII) wheels, and the Cutlass GT
came with the "lace" wheels you describe.

It looks like a great car, but over _9_ grand?

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 3:01 AM
Subject: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

>guessing the wheels have been changed, too.  Weren't they supposed to be
those
>honeycomb spoke type things???

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:42:01 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 70 Ralleye 350

I have seen 2 ralleye 350's around the Madison area.  I think one was a 4
speed.  Unfortunatly I don,t know who owns them.
Keith (70 442)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:20:19 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Fenders- fiberglass VS sheetmetal?

At 06:26 PM 6/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>   I was wondering if anybody could tell me the pros and cons of
>fiberglass fenders as an aftermarket replacement on my 1970 Cutlass
>daily driver.  Has anyone done this?  Did it work well?  I live in
>Massachusetts, where metal tends to disintigrate within minutes of
>being exposed. :^)
>
>Stefan,
>             I did a W-30 Hood on my 69 it worked great!!!!The company was
US bodysource in Fla.They make their stuff rather well(not cheap race
glass).They offer a hood ,fenders,even one piece frontend for your car,This
not only looks cool, makes life easy as far as engine work.If you want to
see my 69,hit me direct.
>Later,John
>
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:29:50 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Starter Dropping??

I need to drop the starter out of my W31 to put on a new battery cable. How
difficult of a job is this? Do you think that any shims will fall out? I have
never done this before so I don't know what to expect.
Thanks,
Jim

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:32:31 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Resto Questions

1.)	On my Rallye restoration my frame holes for the core support were 
rusted
and are much larger than what they should be. Any sollutions on how to fix
these? I was thinking of welding some metal. Will this work, and is it really
neccesary to even do?

Thanks,
Jim McKeague
http://memebrs.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:37:24 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: 455 Questions

	I am ready to drop the engine back into my Rallye and I have a few 
questions.
I know the positive battery cable connects to the starter, but there was
another wire hooked yup to the starter. I didn't see where the wire went and
what wire it was when the engine was pulled from the car. Could someone tell
me what other wires hook up to the starter, and what the look like?

Thanks,
Jim McKeague

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:40:48 -0500
From: "John Harper" <jharper@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

After checking my 1988 Oldsmobile Fleet Buyers Guide the two tone paint
looks like it is factory ( 15 Medium Gray Metallic primary color, and 12
Silver Metallic for the seconday. The vinyl roof colors shown in the buyers
guide do not show the color on the roof in the picture. The only colors
shown are: white, black, medium gray metallic, burgundy metallic, dark teal
blue metallic and light chestnut metallic.

The only optional roof listed is the C04 Landau Rooftop Cover. I am assuming
that is the one that covers the back one-third of the roof like all the
other Cutlass and Regal vinyl roofs. The 1988 Oldsmobile catalogs I have do
not show a Cutlass with a vinyl roof.

The optional wheels I can come up with are the super stock (both color
coordinated and chrome), and aluminum-styled with spokes.

Hope this helps...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 2:01 AM
Subject: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix


>Anyone want to check this out and add any input?  (This person on the list
>perhaps???)  My critique I guess would be that the picture isn't rescaled
right
>(looks squished) but that roof?  Is this a factory option?  What was the
>"carriage top" supposed to be?  I'd seen a 79 or 80 (can't recall
grilles....)
>with the "fake" convertible top...  Looked, well, uh, different.  This
doesn't
>look too out of place, except for the windshield moulding area.   (I'm also
>guessing the wheels have been changed, too.  Weren't they supposed to be
those
>honeycomb spoke type things???  I don't have much 88 information, so I'm
paying
>extra attention here...
>
>http://www.highway-one.com/Classifieds/Oldsmobile/BakerOlds.shtml
>
>The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
>OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:41:45 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Water Pump

	I have a 455 which I believe came out of a 69-70 Toronado. I just 
found that
out. I bought a brand new water pump for a 455 Cutlass/442, both had air and
heavy duty cooling. However, the new water pump is about a 1/4 shorter than
the one that was already on the car. Would this make a difference in the way
the pulleys line up? Would I have a problem with the fan shroud? I have seen a
lot of posts on this subject and frankly I am confused. I don't want to put
the new pump on if it's a problem.

As always Thanks to all that help out!
Jim McKeague

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:40:18 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Charley, I do know that both wheels were offered in 1988.  I've seen factory
> promo shots with the "magnesium" (Chrome SSIII) wheels, and the Cutlass GT
> came with the "lace" wheels you describe.

Whoa, they actually DID have a GT Option?  I had thought it was a dealer
option..  Only seen it locally.  So I figured it was a dealer thing.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:43:54 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Junk It...

I am on vacation this week and my son and I will probably hit a junkyard or
two. Is there anyone out there from the Chicago area that might know if any
yards around have any 68-72 Cutlasses? Where are they?
Thanks,
Jim

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:46:54 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re meeting wed

peter,hope to see you..tonight..
7 or a little after  c pizza L'ville hwy


mr pres...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:48:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: 5 or 6 speed swap

Hello.  I've been reading a lot about swapping a T-5 or T-56 transmission
in place of a 4 speed.  They all mention that adapters will be required.
What adapters do I need, and where can I get them.  Has anyone done this
swap?

TIA,
Ed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:48:55 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!

Hello everyone. I don't say much on this mailing list but tonite I
thought it would be a good time to submit something. I just wanted to
tell everybody to go check out the Virtual Car Show on Brycemans
Oldsmobile page because I just got my 63 Oldsmobile Starfire posted up
on it. Well that's about it for now.

Cliff McFarlane
Tottenham, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:51:27 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Year One exhaust

I ordered the same set upfrom Tamraz in Illinois for the same price. It came
with all the stock factory mounting brackets. The set was really nice! It also
cam with Super Turbo Mufflers, 2 1/2 exhaust, and tailpipes.iam trying to
install mine myself also
Jim


In a message dated 6/15/98 9:56:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
JohnMonnin@aol.com writes:

<<
 It sounds like a great deal, has anyone tried this package?

 I am still considering headers but if I don't see a 350 cutlass convertable
 with headers at the Lansing homecoming I am going to chicken out and be
 practicle.  The other advantage of the year one package is that I can install
 this system in my driveway.  I already have removed most of the old exhaust,
 If I go to a muffler shop I will have to reinstall most of it just to drive
 over there to have it replaced >>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:07:18 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!

At 10:48 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello everyone. I don't say much on this mailing list but tonite I
>thought it would be a good time to submit something. I just wanted to
>tell everybody to go check out the Virtual Car Show on Brycemans
>Oldsmobile page because I just got my 63 Oldsmobile Starfire posted up
>on it. Well that's about it for now.
>
>Cliff McFarlane
>Tottenham, Ontario, Canada
>That makes two new additions,I made it too!!!!!
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73  http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:10:27 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

Edwin R Burger wrote:
>
> Hello.  I've been reading a lot about swapping a T-5 or T-56 transmission
> in place of a 4 speed.  They all mention that adapters will be required.
> What adapters do I need, and where can I get them.  Has anyone done this
> swap?
>
> TIA,
> Ed


Tremec makes a stout 5-speed that is advertised to be a direct bolt-in.
I do not have any first hand info, but here is their website

http://www.ultranet.com/~fortes/tre.htm

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:29:24 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

Ed,

I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about swapping the
TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with a 5-speed with
5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning towards replacing the
3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford to also go up from the
anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some decent highway mileage.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:34:37 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Continuing saga

Tried firing up the Toro again today, no luck.  Didn't spend much time, due to
the rain (finally...I guess)  Came back into the house, and got a phone call.  
A
buddy wants to know if I'm interested in his old 350. 70something, says it has
to go.  Ran before, then tranny died.  It's mine if I want it.  OK.  So, he
brings this massive clump of mud and grease, with little more than a compressor
and alternator bracket visable.  Oh, the oil fill cap had been replaced,
apparantly, cuz you could see it...  Scraped off the head, found a 3a, didn't
look much more (still raining.)  Shoved it into the shed (next to all of it's
ancestors' organ donation stockpile) and shut the doors.  Dig into it when I 
get
the Rockit done, I guess.  Fired up the 82 today.  Ran.  Didn't want to ~go~
anywhere, kept dying (some may remember me talking about picking out the 8 best
spark plugs for the Rockit, the 8 worst to fill holes in the 82, and the other 
8
as spares for the Rockit?  I'd forgot.  Quickly remembered.  It ~did~ run,
though, and ~did~ move a little, at least.  I've got another motor for it now,
so I'm not ~too~ concerned.  As long as that 350 ain't ~too~ bad.  Had a guy
stop by asking if I wanted to sell any of em.  Told him I'd thought about the
82, once I get an engine in it.  "Oh, it don't need an engine, I'm looking for 
a
stock car."  "Noooooooooope...  Sorry"  Told him I might ~consider~ one of my
parts cars (after I get two wrecked fenders and fronts and doors, etc...)
Anyway, daily saga ends there, I guess.

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:37:55 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Starter Dropping??

Jim,

Since you are dealing with a 350, it's not too tough.  Sometimes 455's can be
a handful to change a starter on (mine was).  You might have to fight with the
exhaust pipe a bit, but it will come out.  Be careful to 1) disconnect the
positive cable first, and 2) make note of which terminals the smaller wires
connect to.

As for starter shims, I can only remember seeing shims on an Olds once or
twice, no more than that.  They just seem to fit too well to need them.

Good Luck, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:45:08 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

The T-56 is a very stout tranny to go with. Many guys on the F-body mailing 
list
(Z/28 and Trans Am) have these tranny's in their 93+ cars and some are pushing
well over 550hp into them with countless 1/4 runs.  They also put the T-56 in
the Viper too.  The world class T-5 would be the way to go if opting for the 5
speed.  The regular T-5 is rather weak when lots of HP is pushed into them.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....soon to be 455, A4, 3.73

>
>I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about swapping the
>TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with a 5-speed with
>5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning towards replacing the
>3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford to also go up from the
>anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some decent highway mileage.
>

------------------------------

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Small Fry

The T-56 is a very stout tranny to go with. Many guys on the F-body mailing 
list
(Z/28 and Trans Am) have these tranny's in their 93+ cars and some are pushing
well over 550hp into them with countless 1/4 runs.  They also put the T-56 in
the Viper too.  The world class T-5 would be the way to go if opting for the 5
speed.  The regular T-5 is rather weak when lots of HP is pushed into them.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....soon to be 455, A4, 3.73

>
>I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about swapping the
>TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with a 5-speed with
>5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning towards replacing the
>3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford to also go up from the
>anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some decent highway mileage.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:44:43 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

At 10:41 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>  I have a 455 which I believe came out of a 69-70 Toronado. I just found
that
> out. I bought a brand new water pump for a 455 Cutlass/442, both had air and
> heavy duty cooling. However, the new water pump is about a 1/4 shorter than
> the one that was already on the car. Would this make a difference in the way
> the pulleys line up? Would I have a problem with the fan shroud? I have seen
> a
> lot of posts on this subject and frankly I am confused. I don't want to put
> the new pump on if it's a problem.


it won't line up :(
I have had lots of trouble (at several parts stores) getting the right F$%^INg
water pump.

The parts books that they use seem to have no relationship to what Old's
actually put
on cars. I finally got my 5 1/2" pump and it was listed as a 69 AC water pump.
This was
just after they tried to say a 6" water pump was a non ac pump. I just
bring in
the old
pump and start to pick years and equipment at random till the parts drone
pulls
the right
pump out of his arse.

sorry to sound harsh but I just had a week long adventure to get my water pump
:(

__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:04:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

Seems to me Olds only used two lengths of water pumps.  However, they had
infinite ~other~ changes throught the years.  Best bet, if possible, is to 
bring
the old one in with you (save you the extra core-trip anyway!) and compare from
there.  Things to look for are the shaft length, water ports (number of) and
impeller design, primarily.


The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:13:35 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

At 10:04 PM 6/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Seems to me Olds only used two lengths of water pumps.  However, they had
>infinite ~other~ changes throught the years.

they have 3 lengths

5", seems to be non/ac 330's  (might be early 350's too )
5 1/2"
6", I've only seen the the 6" pump on AC cars
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:22:15 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: Wanted: '87 442 stripes

I'm also going thru this predicament. I need a set with the blue backing for
my blue/gray '86 442. anyone know of any source?

TIA
Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Mark Tupper
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 7:49 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Wanted: '87 442 stripes
>
>
> Olds folks,
>
> In preparation for a paint job on my 1987 442 next spring,
> I have been trying to locate a set of stripes for the car. I
> have been able to locate all the stripes and decals that I
> need EXCEPT for the left rear quarter panel and the rear
> bumper cover.
>
> I have the Black/Silver paint scheme with gold pinstripes.
> If anyone has, or knows of a source for these stripes,
> please contact me.
>
> Also, on the chance that I can't find these stripes does
> anyone have suggestions on how to get the car painted
> and retain "originality"? I could have the stripes hand
> painted or individual stripes done by a detailing shop
> I suppose. Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Mark Tupper   1987 442
> mtupper@palacenet.net       http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:29:09 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

My first choice for new tire are BF's radial T/A's. But you brought up a
concern I have. Living on a tropical island, it rains very often and my car
is a daily driver. Since I've heard a couple of times that the T/A's aren't
that good on wet pavement, does anyone have other alternatives they'd like
to share. Please don't tell me to buy $150 tires because cost is important.

TIA
Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jason Adcock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:32 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
> Non-F41 cars got the 195/75R14 tires, F41-suspensioned cars got 205/70R14,
> H/O's got 215/65R15.
>
> I have 225/60R14's on right now and there is no rubbing
> whatsoever.  If you
> are going for new tires, I highly recommend the BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.
> They are very high-quality-looking and offer great traction on the road
> (dry).  Wet running is a different story, but if you aren't
> racing some AWD
> Eclipse around corners, you'll be in fine shape...  :-)
>
> Also, 225/60R14's are very close to the 205/70R14's diameter, so
> speedometer
> correction wouldn't be necessary.
>
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn McCollum <shawno22@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:21 AM
> Subject: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
> >Question for everyone...
> >
> >I am about to have front springs/shocks installed on a 1984
> Cutlass and new
> >tires...Anyone know what the factory size tires were on this
> car??  75 R14,
> >p195 or P205???  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Shawn
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:35:51 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

A while back I read that someone said that manufacturers were required to
carry parts for their cars for 10 years. If this is so then I guess some
parts cross- compatible with other model year are still available from GM
like the SSIII wheels, right?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 9:40 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
>
>
> Jason Adcock wrote:
> >
> > Charley, I do know that both wheels were offered in 1988.  I've
> seen factory
> > promo shots with the "magnesium" (Chrome SSIII) wheels, and the
> Cutlass GT
> > came with the "lace" wheels you describe.
>
> Whoa, they actually DID have a GT Option?  I had thought it was a dealer
> option..  Only seen it locally.  So I figured it was a dealer thing.
> --
>                 - Jerry Christopher -
> IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
>        HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:33:42 -0500
From: bloom@mail.gorilla.net
Subject: Re: 10 bucks for help

Hey man, I'm thinkin' if it's that hard to find, maybe it's worth 15 bucks :P
Fred

At 01:21 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>         If anyone has a top manual and can fax me a couple of
>         pages showing this connection - I will send them 10
>         bucks

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:10:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 10 bucks for help

> >         If anyone has a top manual and can fax me a couple of

What year and make was that?  70 Cutlass, right?  I'm looking at a 67 body
manual, with some top mounting pictures.  I don't know if there'd be ~anything~
the same between the models, though.  Anyone know, did they change that stuff
with the new body???

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:13:23 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: tires (was: RE: question on 84 cutlass supreme)

I compromised price, performance, and wet traction. I went with the Dayton
"Daytona Radial S/R" They look great blackwall or raised white letter (my
choice) and get this: I paid $64.95 each (mounted and balanced) for
235/60R15 (front) and $69.95 each (also mounted and balanced) for 255/60R15
(rear). On top of that they let me trade in my old 215/75R15 whitewalls
which gave me one tire free. So far they stick to the pavement wet or dry.
Give 'em a try. I believe you'll be satisfied.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:19:58 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

Angel,
Living in the Pacific Northwest, I can relate with your need for tires that
perform in the rain.  You are correct in that T/A's are not a very good choice
for wet pavement.  In fact, even their Comp T/A HR4-2 series which are supposed
to be an all season performance tire, fail miserably when compared to the
Firestone Firehawk series.  I've used both the SS10 and GTA series and found
either to be very resistant to hydroplaning. I've also found the Firestones
provide better dry pavement traction over the basic T/A's.  You will find the
Firestones are in the same price range as the basic T/A's.  And in my opinion, 
a
MUCH better tire.

Just my recommendation for keeping the shiny side up.
Greg.


Angel Castrodad wrote:

> My first choice for new tire are BF's radial T/A's. But you brought up a
> concern I have. Living on a tropical island, it rains very often and my car
> is a daily driver. Since I've heard a couple of times that the T/A's aren't
> that good on wet pavement, does anyone have other alternatives they'd like
> to share. Please don't tell me to buy $150 tires because cost is important.
>
> TIA
> Angel Castrodad
> angleki@prtc.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jason Adcock
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:32 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
> >
> >
> > Non-F41 cars got the 195/75R14 tires, F41-suspensioned cars got 205/70R14,
> > H/O's got 215/65R15.
> >
> > I have 225/60R14's on right now and there is no rubbing
> > whatsoever.  If you
> > are going for new tires, I highly recommend the BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.
> > They are very high-quality-looking and offer great traction on the road
> > (dry).  Wet running is a different story, but if you aren't
> > racing some AWD
> > Eclipse around corners, you'll be in fine shape...  :-)
> >
> > Also, 225/60R14's are very close to the 205/70R14's diameter, so
> > speedometer
> > correction wouldn't be necessary.
> >
> > Jason Adcock
> > jadcock@vt.edu
> > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn McCollum <shawno22@erols.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:21 AM
> > Subject: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
> >
> >
> > >Question for everyone...
> > >
> > >I am about to have front springs/shocks installed on a 1984
> > Cutlass and new
> > >tires...Anyone know what the factory size tires were on this
> > car??  75 R14,
> > >p195 or P205???  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Shawn
> >

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