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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, July 4 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1346



Orig. 64 442
Re: 78 cutlass race car
Footnote to the Crazy Cam Questions and C.B.A. Saga
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!/This worked for me
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
Re: lowering compression
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
Hot Shift kit
Re: It's official, 88's are dead.
Re: Dumb-ass
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: lowering compression
Re: 78 cutlass race car
Re: Flooding Problem
Re: Rocket & Mr Kettering
Happy 4th!
Re: Carb and Manifold question
Re: lowering compression
Re: Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book
Re: Flooding Problem
Re: Flooding Problem
What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S?
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over!
Re: What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S?
69 442
Re: lowering compression
Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content
Back for the Weekend
Re: 69 442
question for list/ emblems?
Re: 69 442
???'s about PST Front End Kits
87' 442 for sale
Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over!
Re: Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book
Re: 87' 442 for sale
Re: 69 442
engine just got sick
Re: 87' 442 for sale
Re: ???'s about PST Front End Kits
Re: Carb and Manifold question
Vin question
Re: Where is red 442
powder coating
Re: Rocket & Mr Kettering
Re: powder coating
In-Reply-To: <c1b91313.359d91be@aol.com>
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??
CLUTCH PEDALS
Re: engine just got sick
Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
P.S!!!  Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Fwd: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:24:57 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Orig. 64 442

Mike

        You are correct that 64 was the only year that 4 spd, 4 bbl, and
dual exhaust was referenced. Your last statement was of interesting note.
There were 8-10 4 door F-85 Deluxe's built with the 442 (B-09) option. I had
one of those cars. Turquoise with a matching bench seat interior 4 spd., and
plain hubcaps. What a sleeper it was. Blow a 5.0 liter away with one and
look at the guys face after you do it. My wife wishes she still had it. Now
she has to settle for an 98 Intrigue.

Jim Chermack


  Olds advertised the 442 as 4 barrel, 4 speed and dual
>exhausts ONLY for 64 as I recall.  Never again however.  Since the 65's
>could be had with an automatic, they THEN changed it to 400 cubes,
>4-barrel, and dual exhausts.  At least the 442s ALL had V8s, however
>sometimes underpowered.  Comforting thought anyway.  Much to the chagrin
>of Quad442 lovers, I do not, and cannot, consider the FWD Quad442 as a
>"442" since the designator was changed.  Not that the Quad442 isn't
>capable of holding it's own, and they are great performers, but I'm a
>purist, and if they hadn't used the "QUAD" in front of the designator,
>only then could I consider it.  As far as I'm concerned, the 442 took a
>dirt nap after the 87 model year.
>
>I have an ORIGINAL July of 64 Hot Rod magazine with the first 442 ad in
>it.  It was a 4-door police cruiser, where they advertised 4-barrel,
>4-speed, and 2-exhausts.  "The police needed it, Olds built it, pursuit
>proved it..."  Option code B09.  Available on all F-85 body styles
>except station wagons in '64.
>
>Mike Rothe
>
>

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:28:08 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 78 cutlass race car

Ken

        All the holes are suppose to be there. They had 4 different styles
of engines that could go in those chassis. The frames were the same for all
the G-bodies. So it could have had a V-6 Chevy, V-6 Buick, V-8 Olds, V-8 
Chevy.

Jim Chermack

At 11:13 PM 7/3/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>I went ahead and bought the car.  Now that it's home it looks like its in even
>beytter shape than I thought. Afew problems though.
> 1) the rear bumper was ripped off when the car was pushed off the trailer.
Forgot
>to tell my friend to apply light pressure to the peddle so the car doesn't
take off
>with the steep ramps.  The bumper shock was already pushed in on the side
that broke
>off.  I see 2 options here, new bumper shocks if they are still avalible or
>fiberglass rear bumper.  Anyone know whats out there?
> 2) the poor misguided fellow I bought the car from had a little block
chevy in it.
>There must be a dozen holes drilled in each side of the crossmember where
the frame
>mounts go.  Would my best bet be to go to a gm dealership for the correct 
frame
>mounts and to find a diagram to figure out which holes to use?  I hate to
open the
>dread g-body big block question up again...  Any ideas would be apreciated.
>
>Ken
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:49:18 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Footnote to the Crazy Cam Questions and C.B.A. Saga

Found summat that Mr. Padavano and Mr. Snyder (as well as many others) might
find interesting.

Just to avoid blatant 'Net plagarism......

http://www.racermall.com/professor/july98/july98_7.html

I now return you to your normal 4 4 2 discussions.....

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:41 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!

In a message dated 98-07-03 12:51:28 EDT, you write:

<< Well I put it in my 72 442 convert. and the same dang problem is
 happening. New battery(checked) and still has a hard time cranking.
  I have headers and a stock starter. What do I have to do? Get a >>


 How many cranking Amps? My 403, bone stock, will kill the 650 CCA batteries
in about 10 seconds, brand new..thought it was my starter...got an 800 or
something like that, no problems since. Mine would go dead, then if I let it
sit for a couple hours, more cranking, but it would still die
quickly...changed starter once before I tried the battery : )    Dorian

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:12:56 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

what kind of tranny does a stock 64 cutlass have with a 330?????/
       thanks
                   joe

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:21:34 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!/This worked for 
me

I increased the wire size going to my starter amd to the solinoid. The
orginal wire size was like a 14  to 18 gauge wire and I USED A 10 GAUGE
WIRE TO THE STARTER solonoid.. This helped in my case as the larger wire
cured the slow cranking starter. The larger wire size help carry more of a
load and did not heat up as fast when cranking the engine over.. Also make
sure your engine block is grounded to the frame, and also make sure your
battery is grounded to the chassis.
This will complete the ground circuit on the car.
Coy
- ----------
> From: DYeager535@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
> Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 9:59 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-07-03 12:51:28 EDT, you write:
>
> << Well I put it in my 72 442 convert. and the same dang problem is
>  happening. New battery(checked) and still has a hard time cranking.
>   I have headers and a stock starter. What do I have to do? Get a >>
>
>
>  How many cranking Amps? My 403, bone stock, will kill the 650 CCA
batteries
> in about 10 seconds, brand new..thought it was my starter...got an 800 or
> something like that, no problems since. Mine would go dead, then if I let
it
> sit for a couple hours, more cranking, but it would still die
> quickly...changed starter once before I tried the battery : )    Dorian

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:31:30 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

BrKLynS@aol.com wrote:
>
> what kind of tranny does a stock 64 cutlass have with a 330?????/
>        thanks
>                    joe

Joe,

My '65 F-85 has a "two" speed Jetaway (330 cid, 2 bbl), if that helps.

Sparky

- --
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Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:38:28 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

i mean what kind like is it a 350 or 400 or whatever.
 thanks anyway
but i need too know specificly

                         joe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:39:49 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

In a message dated 98-07-04 01:24:32 EDT, you write:

<<<<  what kind of tranny does a stock 64 cutlass have with a 330?????/ >>>>

<< My '65 F-85 has a "two" speed Jetaway (330 cid, 2 bbl), if that helps.  >>

Hmmm. Yah. The Olds FAQ is undernourished for TH-300 info.
On the other hand, I know that my 1965 owner's manual lists like 5 different
transmissions available for the model year. And they were not variants of
TH-400 either.

But it's raining now. Or I would get it.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:04:24 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!

Yes my rebuild included a .060 over bore and the starter is a Pep Boys
starter. So your saying that the motor should seat itself and the motor
will become easier to turn? Will this hurt the motor?

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@AOL.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
> Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:31 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-07-03 12:50:49 EDT, you write:
>
> << I had an Olds 455 rebuilt with Mondello parts It was dynoed and made
440 HP
>  and 540 LBS of torque.  While on the dyno it had a stock Pep Boys
starter
>  and the motor had a hard time turning over. >>
>
> It is my understanding (and please correct if this is totally wrong [Mr.
Witt
> will tell you that this has in fact happened]), that this is not uncommon
for
> brand-new engines and some rebuilds with very tight tolerances.
>
> Did your rebuild include honing cylinders and new, overbore pistons...et
> cetetera?
>
> If so, your starter (is your starter the Pep Boys starter?) has to turn a
> reciprocating assembly that is much more of a load at startup than before
the
> rebuild, due to the tighter fit of everything.
>
> I think that the engine wear during the first few days of operation will
> smooth out the piston/cylinder surfaces to where load at startup will be
less.
>
> Something like this was the case when my brother put a new engine (from
the
> block on out) in his 1968 Camel.
>
> Did not want to start and would run. He said he was running it for short
> periods to "break it in."
>
> Just another offhand hallucination from
>
> KA
> &SOM

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:12:07 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!

I spoke to the guy who assembled it and he stated that the pistone went in
the motor OK. He also stated that he turned the short block over with
pistons installed and it turned fine.
 So a week or so of break in should make cranking more easier? The piston
and or cylinder wall should be fine, right? Could it also be caused by the
camshaft giving alot of pressure at idle or startup?
 Should I just break down and get the high-torque mini-starter??


- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!
> Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:46 PM
>
> > << I had an Olds 455 rebuilt with Mondello parts It was dynoed and made
440 HP
> >  and 540 LBS of torque.  While on the dyno it had a stock Pep Boys
starter
> >  and the motor had a hard time turning over. >>
> >
> > It is my understanding (and please correct if this is totally wrong
[Mr. Witt
> > will tell you that this has in fact happened]), that this is not
uncommon for
> > brand-new engines and some rebuilds with very tight tolerances.
>
> Karl Aune is correct on all accounts.
>
> Not to mention that your compression ratios were restored, stiffer
> resistance from new valve springs, tighter clearances, and basically
> rougher cylinder walls, hence tighter, grabbier rings.
>
> MORE friction and resistance means MORE power needed to turn it over.
> Shouldn't worry though.  After a few weeks during break in, you'll
> notice that the engine will start turning over smoother.  It's really
> amazing to see a new engine shut down however.  Sorta just "locks" when
> the key is shut off.  As long as all the clearances are correct, and
> everything is working properly, you can expect another 100K + out of the
> engine.  Treat IT right, and it will treat YOU right.
> 2 cents,
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:17:58 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lowering compression

In a message dated 98-07-03 15:58:37 EDT, you write:

<< I have a 62 olds 394 10.25 compression engine.  I would like to drive it
on a daily basis using unleaded gasoline - 92 or 93 octane.  What do I  have
to do to the engine to allow it. Double the head gasket?  I can use  an
additive for the lead substitute, but would prefer not to have to use octane
boost because of cost. >>

Well,

It will run on lower octane gasoline, but not as well.
My 10.25:1 425cid gets better milage with the 92-93 stuff, but I believe that
these motors were built with the 96 (??) Octane leaded gas in mind.

I think that as long as you use lead substitute, you can forego the octane
boost.

Joe Mondello, in an article for Journey With Olds, advised that older cars
should get lead substitue, fuel stabilizer, and an ounce or two of top
cylinder oil [he specifically named Marvel Mystery I think] as additional
lubricant with every tank of gas.

Given modern gas (oxygenation et alii), he may have a point.

KA
&SOM


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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:32:52 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over! HELP!!

In a message dated 98-07-04 02:09:41 EDT, you write:

<< Could it also be caused by the camshaft giving alot of pressure at idle or
startup?  Should I just break down and get the high-torque mini-starter??  >>

As far as I know, a break in period is normal.
Some initial wear is normal, and necessary for new/rebuilt engines.

Camshaft does contribute to load at startup, but so long as lube was used in
buildup, and running long enoigh for system to be oiled properly, I would not
think camshaft is cause for concern.
(And I hope this does not turn into an oil restriction thread)

The low-current-draw, lightweight, high torque starters that I have seen are
$300.

Tell you what: check your battery for 12V first.
A Pep Boys Starter is a Remanufactured ACDelco or Delco-Remy starting motor
right?
I am suspicious that my reman starter is not giving the same ooomph as  the
original did, but that may just be a hallucination.

Besides: what if you shell out 300 clams and end up with the same hard start
situation?

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 04:23:18 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <koloth@iglou.com>
Subject: Hot Shift kit

Hello,
I'm here with another question. What would I do without this list?
(Curse more and spend more $)
I read the instructions to a Hurst HotShift kit today while a friend was
installing it into his GMC Sprint (truck/car).
2 questions.
1- It says torque to all bolts to 13lbs. How important in the grand scheme is 
it
to torque these bolts. I ask because I screwed up the wrench before he had the
pan off. He went on to do it by 'feel'. He has a lot of experience with cars, 
so
maybe he can do it by feel. I couldn't. To me it looked like he was over
tightening them, 13lbs isn't much past snug is it?
2- One of the last steps is to remove the retainer ring, cap and plastic gasket
from the round thing (I don't know it's name) on the side of the tranny and
Remove the spring and put it back together without the spring using a new
plastic piece. What does this accomplish, what is it purpose?

Thanks for all the help.
Pat McD.
69 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:43:21 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: It's official, 88's are dead.

Let's just hope they don't drop the Oldsmobile moniker.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:48:39 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass

I think it was 4-SPEED 4barrel and dual exaust the first year.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:59:12 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

It's called a 300 turbine
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:12:56 EDT <BrKLynS@aol.com> writes:
>what kind of tranny does a stock 64 cutlass have with a 330?????/
>       thanks
>                   joe
>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:53:58 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: lowering compression

If you don't use some sort of lead substitute , you will be doing an expensive
head job in about 20,000 miles. The lack of it will eat the valve seat away &
you will have to have hardened seats installed. Actually if you are going to
keep the car, that is the best thing to do anyway.If the car doesn't use any
oil , i have a 400 engine with over 300,000 miles on it & the only reason the
compression is down is the valves. You get what you pay for. Why does an Olds
cost more than a c**ebby? They use a little more nickel in the block , the
block is stronger, ergo " WE " don't need a 4-bolt main block. You won't
believe the difference in performance a good valve job will make. Now i did
say performance, because your mileage will probably go down. If the power is
there, you are going to use it .
Make sure you research your mechanic. Not many left out ther that have worked
on a good engine.
We hav used "Marvel Mystery " oil in our 64 thru 79 engines for years & never
had a valve problem.
Good luck,
Roger Utter

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:14:59 EDT
From: <OreOlds64@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 78 cutlass race car

Best thing to do would be to bolt your frame mounts to motor and set it down
in there and scribe out where they should be after you get it where you want
it,or you can tack weld them and pull the motor back up and bolt them down.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:36:58 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrt67@aol.com <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 7:39 PM
Subject: Flooding Problem


And you say the engine outright stalled? Hmm....I'd suspect LACK of fuel,
not flooding. Accelerator pump? Does it hesitate in normal driving? Maybe
vacuum advance worn or sticking (especially if it backfired before
stalling).

drc

>was driving the 72 convertible yesterday. well i decided to mash the gas as
i
>was traveling down the road. then the thing just shut off. only happens
when i
>hit the gas hard though. and ideas as to what could be causing this??
>
>Thanks
>
>Brent
>
>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:42:55 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket & Mr Kettering

>It was in the years 1947 to 49 that this engine was taken from the drawing
>board to production. The motor was to be called "The Kettering" after
Charles
>Kettering, the engineer who finally put this motor together....
>Tony.


As a side note, Charles Franklin Kettering also patented the points ignition
in 1908.

drc

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Happy 4th!

  Happy 4th to all!  Have fun, be safe, don't get blown up!


  (Olds Content)  I'm driving my cutlass to see the fireworks today.



  Stefan
  1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
  sgadecki@yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:35:10 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Carb and Manifold question

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:51 PM
Subject: Carb and Manifold question

>They have two kinds, EGR and NON-EGR.  The 350 originally
>had EGR on it, but it is now blocked off.  Do I have to get the EGR
>model and block it off or can I just get the NON-EGR version?

I got the non-EGR version (if I remember right) and it still has the
EGR passages, but came with a block off plate for it.
>
>I also plan to use the Edelbrock 600 cfm squarebore carb with
electric
>choke.   Can I just use the same accelerator wire that is on my
Holley carb right
>now, or do I have to purchase a new one?

The original Olds throttle bracket or any aftermarket chrome job will
work.  You might have to fiddle with using a small bolt or something
as a stud for the accelerator wire to attach to, not  a problem.
>
>Last question:  On the electric choke wiring, I can hook it up to the
>alternator wiring correct?

No, I ran my red wire to my fusebox under the dash and pluged it in to
something that is turned on only with the ignition.  This way the
choke is only energized with the ignition on, and it's fuse protected.

>Thanks everyone,
>
>Erik Badzinski,
>'72 Cutlass 'S'

Also, be prepared to use a 1" spacer and bend the bottom of the
throttle linkage plate on the carb so it will clear the EGR mount on
the manifold if yours comes with it.

- -greg

When it comes to modifying anything, "nothing is easy"

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 05:25:37 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: lowering compression

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> Joe Mondello, in an article for Journey With Olds, advised that older cars
> should get lead substitue, fuel stabilizer, and an ounce or two of top

Give a brand name for the fuel stabilizer so that I can look for it in
thestores.  How about giving a name for the lead substitute.

> cylinder oil [he specifically named Marvel Mystery I think] as additional
> lubricant with every tank of gas.
>
> Given modern gas (oxygenation et alii), he may have a point.

Well I use 104+ and all seems to work fine.  The only snafu I have come 
acrossis
that the spark plug get fouled.

Oh well...

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:33:31 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book

> Brad,
> In our book "4-4-2 By The Numbers" we used a variety of sources for the
>information. Some examples include:  Chassis manuals, Fisher body manuals, GM
>parts books, Oldsmobile Service Guild technical bulletins, Delco parts books,
>Demmer Tool H/O conversion bulletins, etc., etc., etc.  Often, we found there
>would be conflicting information contained within these factory manuals.  So 
in
>order to be as accurate as possible, we confirmed the numbers with actual 
cars.
>Several years and literally hundreds of Cutlass', 4-4-2's and Hurst/Olds'
>later, we printed what we felt were (and are) the correct codes.  Although we
>did overlook a few codes that should have been in there and did discover an
>error or two.  These will be addressed in the re-release.  However, we stand
>behind the date codes as listed in the book.

For maunual transmissions, your book says "Month A=Jan. B=Feb. C=Mar. Etc."
I interpret this to mean that D=April, E=May, F=June ...  My '69 442 4 speed
has the original numbers matching transmission with date code P 9 P 03.  The
second 'P' in the code indicates the month of September according the
assembly manual.  This makes sense - my car was built on September 23, 1968.

>The differential date codes are as you will find them listed in the chassis
manual. Again, these were confirmed by MANY cars.

I stand corrected on the differential codes.  The ones in your book match
the assembly manual and many cars that I have checked.

Also FYI, my '70 W-30 has the correct 406115 aluminum intake manifold,
however it says "OLDS W-455" not "OLDSMOBILE W-455", so not all '70 W
intakes say "OLDSMOBILE W-455".

Thanks very much for your response and keep up the excellent work at
Supercars Unlimited !

Brad

Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:34:38 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

In the same vane-------think of the simple stuff first. When was the
last time the fuel filter was changed?

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Conv

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:36:16 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Flooding Problem

In a message dated 98-07-04 09:32:06 EDT, you write:

I had the same problem with my 69 cutlass, I replaced the accelerator pump and
the problem got worse!   I tore the carb apart again and realized the check
ball in the bottom of the accelerator pump was not seated.  If the check ball
is not in the pocket, everytime you mash the gas hard the fuel floods back
into the fuel bowl instead of the engine.  Reassembled the carb and it ran
great.


<< I was driving the 72 convertible yesterday. well i decided to mash the gas
as
 i was traveling down the road. then the thing just shut off. only happens
 when i hit the gas hard though. and ideas as to what could be causing this??
 > >>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:40:57 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S?

I notice when I buy interior parts and price headers the note "These parts
will not fit Supreme model" often appears.  Since I have a 69 Cutlass "S" I
get nervous because I see many people call the Cutlass "S" a supreme.

What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S, or are they the same?

Does anyone have a picture of the supreme model?

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:47:02 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over!

> << Could it also be caused by the camshaft giving alot of pressure at idle or
> startup?  Should I just break down and get the high-torque mini-starter??  >>
>
Don't buy the mini-whamodyne starter just yet.  BTW, I'm running one on
my 71 442, and it sounds weird when it starts, but it works GREAT!

Again, if the engine was set up tight, then you will have some
resistance to turning.  However, it still should ease up a bit after
running for a while.  It WAS prelubed, right?  In other words, you
primed the oil pump and filled all the oil galleys prior to startup
(slow drill in reverse and a priming tool on end of oil pump shaft)?

I'll assume this was completed.  How old is the battery?  Is it fully
charged?  Has the starter been checked out to make sure it's OK?

Here's ANOTHER tid bit of info that may be of concern.  How's the
starter gear CLEARANCE to the flywheel/flexplate?  If it is too tight,
the starter motor will be dragged down regardless of the engine
condition.  This needs to be checked.  They make shims to correct this,
you can get them at any decent auto parts store.

I say this because I just remembered eons ago, I had to replace the
solenoid on a 400 once.  I ended up replacing the entire starter, since
it was old and out anyway with a new GM starter (only sure way to go, in
my opinion).  BUT, the old starter had no shims, so I figured the new
one wouldn't need any either.  I was wrong.  It would hardly crank.  I
took it OUT, and when I tried to return what I thought was a bad
starter, it checked out A-OK.  ???  The parts dude looked at the starter
teeth, didn't say a word, picked out some shims, threw them on the
counter and told me to use these to "set up" the clearance.  I had it
too tight.  The shims worked like a champ.  You learn things sometimes
by trial and error. Unfortunately.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 10:58:29 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S?

> What is differenece between supreme and Cutlass S, or are they the same?
>
You say you have a 69 S?  It's the same body style as the 69 Supreme, if
it's a Holiday Coupe. The 69 supreme and S are very similar, save for
the interior trim and stainless trim on the body.  No notchback 69
Supremes were made.  The 70-72 Supremes were different.  They had a
notchback look to them.  Imagine a "hardtop" version of a convertible.
That's very similar.  While the 70-72 "S" versions.  Special versions of
the 70-72 Supreme were the famed "SX" and 72 H/O.

YEARS ago, I found an old article somewhere stating that the "S" stood
for "Sport" (not to be confused with the body stlyle of "Sport Coupe")
and the "SX" was originally planned as a "Cutlass SS", but GM didn't
want that because of Chevy already using the SS nameplate. So they
changed it to SX.  And the rest, they say, is history.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:53:04 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: 69 442

Happy 4th everyone!!! Thanks for the line on the prndsl shift plastic, but
can anyone help me on the specs for the hood stripes for a 69 hood? Also,
car is black on black, are the stripes always white? Last item for now, I
also need the OAI scoops for same car. Thanks for the help, I'm kinda new
at Oldsmobiles.
realtorjohn@sprnet.com

69 442 W-32

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:20:34 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: lowering compression

Steve Meyer wrote:
>
> Need some help.
> I have a 62 olds 394 10.25 compression engine.  I would like to drive it
> on a daily basis using unleaded gasoline - 92 or 93 octane.  What do I
> have to do to the engine to allow it. Double the head gasket?  I can use
> an additive for the lead substitute, but would prefer not to have to use
> octane boost because of cost.

Well, you could take your heads to the nearest machinist and have him
install hardened exhaust valve seats.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:27:41 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content

John M wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>        This is sort of OLDS related,most everyone on the list has some
> really nice webpages(hint hint CHARLEY MIKE JASON),Can anyone give
> some pointers on what software,etc. is needed?We need to have at least
> ONE more OLDS site to visit don't we?
>         Thanks in advance,
>                          John

I found it was easiest to just learn HTML. I didn't even go buy a single
book. When I saw something on a page that was cool, and I decided I
wanted it on my page, I just "viewed source" copied, modified, and
pasted it on my page. It wasn't an overnight education, and I find it
alot more satisfying knowing that I created the page from scratch, and
didn't use the "easy" way.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:26:18 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Back for the Weekend

Happy 4th all. Just popped my head back in for the weekend
since I'm back in Indiana and have access to the computer
again.
Haven't had time to check out the Olds scene in Florida yet
because I got sent to MS right away on a temporary
assignment.
====================================================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass S convertible
1980 Toronado Brougham
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:28:14 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442

> Happy 4th everyone!!! Thanks for the line on the prndsl shift plastic, but
> can anyone help me on the specs for the hood stripes for a 69 hood? Also,
> car is black on black, are the stripes always white?

Well, can't help you on the hood stripe PLACEMENT, (according to the
assembly manual, the GM layout number for your hood stripes is 403308,
but don't ask me where to get one) however, the color was supposed to
match interior or vinyl top color whenever possible.  If it is
black/black then white was USUALLY done, however, white, blue, gold or
red was also available.  I've also seen silver stripes on some repainted
cars, and while it looks good, I hardly think that it was original.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:36:34 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: question for list/ emblems?

 i have been restoreing a rallye 350 and noticed that on the front of the hood
there is a rocket emblem and not a "S" emblem .  now most of the rallye`s were
holiday coupe`s built on the cutlass-s  bodys, and some were f-85`s,  i have
seen alot of nice restored rallye 350`s with the "S" on the hood.  at first i
thought my car may have had this emblem replaced at some time, but in talking
to other rallye owners they said there cars also have the rocket .  jim
mckeague , fellow list member also has a rallye , and sent me a reprint of a
GM promotional ad , and it to has the rocket on the hood.  while checking i
noticed that my 70 w-31 also has the rocket on it`s hood.  could this have
been a mid year change?, or perhaps a shortage of emblems?  my car is complete
and orig. and i want to keep it that way, but which is correct?  perhaps other
list members have had same experience with there rallye`s, w-31`s, cutlass-s,
ect., ect.?   tia.    steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442

- ---John Young <realtorjohn@sprynet.com> wrote:

> can anyone help me on the specs for the hood stripes for a 69 hood?
Also,
> car is black on black, are the stripes always white?

Well,don't know,are you shooting for original?Point is,I've seen two
really cool cars lately,one 69 black with "electric"blue stripes,and
same color 455 w/2 fours on a low profile,wasn't stock by any means
but done rather nicely.The other was a 70 W-30 black with purple met
on top of the scoops.Both cars were not resto's but mild custom(not
hacked ,able to go back orig if desired)and looked very COOL.Just
depends on what YOU want.
John
==
mailto:super442@yahoo.com
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:49:13 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: ???'s about PST Front End Kits

I know some people out there own PST's Polygraphite Front End Kits.
Which ones are best for a 320hp daily driver that likes to take some
turns at good speeds?

Original Performance
Original Performance Super
Performance Polygraphite
Performance Polygraphite Super

Also, should I get PST's Hi-Po front and rear swaybars? What would be
the better dia. to get on the front, 1-1/4"?
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:18:05 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: 87' 442 for sale

This ad appears in the online bargain finder today:
( http://calgary.bargainfind.com/ )

"87 Olds Cutlass 442, 307 HO, loaded, exc cond, second documented owner, all
orig, low kms, serious only, $7500  403-244-0967"

What is a "307 HO"? I thought that GM had committed to all 305's by this
year and what horsepower would the HO have vs a 305?

Thanks, Kevin.

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:28 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over!

Yes the motor was primed twice before starting witht the priming tool.
Today I'm gonna try shimming the starter to see if that helps. I hope it
works. If not I will probably go with the Dick Miller mini starter or the
Tilton mini-starter.
Thanks

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Olds 455 has hard time turning over!
> Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 9:47 AM
>
> > << Could it also be caused by the camshaft giving alot of pressure at
idle or
> > startup?  Should I just break down and get the high-torque
mini-starter??  >>
> >
> Don't buy the mini-whamodyne starter just yet.  BTW, I'm running one on
> my 71 442, and it sounds weird when it starts, but it works GREAT!
>
> Again, if the engine was set up tight, then you will have some
> resistance to turning.  However, it still should ease up a bit after
> running for a while.  It WAS prelubed, right?  In other words, you
> primed the oil pump and filled all the oil galleys prior to startup
> (slow drill in reverse and a priming tool on end of oil pump shaft)?
>
> I'll assume this was completed.  How old is the battery?  Is it fully
> charged?  Has the starter been checked out to make sure it's OK?
>
> Here's ANOTHER tid bit of info that may be of concern.  How's the
> starter gear CLEARANCE to the flywheel/flexplate?  If it is too tight,
> the starter motor will be dragged down regardless of the engine
> condition.  This needs to be checked.  They make shims to correct this,
> you can get them at any decent auto parts store.
>
> I say this because I just remembered eons ago, I had to replace the
> solenoid on a 400 once.  I ended up replacing the entire starter, since
> it was old and out anyway with a new GM starter (only sure way to go, in
> my opinion).  BUT, the old starter had no shims, so I figured the new
> one wouldn't need any either.  I was wrong.  It would hardly crank.  I
> took it OUT, and when I tried to return what I thought was a bad
> starter, it checked out A-OK.  ???  The parts dude looked at the starter
> teeth, didn't say a word, picked out some shims, threw them on the
> counter and told me to use these to "set up" the clearance.  I had it
> too tight.  The shims worked like a champ.  You learn things sometimes
> by trial and error. Unfortunately.
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:25:41 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: Greg Rollin "4-4-2 by the Numbers" book

How about updating the exhaust manafold section (casting # and letter) to
include the correct 68 442 exhaust manafold set.  This is a one year only set
with a unique left side exhaust manafold.  Let me know if you need any
additional information

- -Dan

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:39:10 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale

At 10:18 AM 7/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
>This ad appears in the online bargain finder today:
>( http://calgary.bargainfind.com/ )
>
>"87 Olds Cutlass 442, 307 HO, loaded, exc cond, second documented owner, all
>orig, low kms, serious only, $7500  403-244-0967"
>
>What is a "307 HO"? I thought that GM had committed to all 305's by this
>year and what horsepower would the HO have vs a 305?
>
The 307 HO is the 307 "9" code used in the 442,s. It is an Olds smallblock
motor as is the 307 "Y", which is what is in my 86 Cutlass.  Others on the
list can give more information. I know the "9" and the "Y" use diffirent
cams and lifters.  My "Y" has a roller cam and lifters which if I rember
correct means diffrent length push rods also.

I hope that this helps a liitle, Others will be able to give more info.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:02:07 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 442

John: I have a 69 442 convertible.  Its red in color.  After I painted
it I couldn't find the white hood stripes so I took the car to a fellow
who does pin striping and had dual stripes painted around the raised
panels of the hood and above the rear bumper and tail lights.  He copied
the strips from colored pictures from an original 1969 sales brouchre.
He did a real fine job and they look just like the pictures.  Although
not in color, a similar picture can be found in a book titled
"Oldsmobile 4-4-2 & W - Machines restoration Guide"  by T. Patrick
Sullivan.  I have seen a black 442 with similar while stripes.

John Young wrote:
>
> Happy 4th everyone!!! Thanks for the line on the prndsl shift plastic, but
> can anyone help me on the specs for the hood stripes for a 69 hood? Also,
> car is black on black, are the stripes always white? Last item for now, I
> also need the OAI scoops for same car. Thanks for the help, I'm kinda new
> at Oldsmobiles.
> realtorjohn@sprnet.com
>
> 69 442 W-32

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:45:56 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: engine just got sick

I was changing jets and metering rods in my edelbrock carb and driving
around the block using my 02 sensor air/fuel meter to perfect my
primary jetting.  After I leaned it out too far (surging, bad idle), I
went back the original jetting and it still won't run!  It only idles
past 1000rpms (used to idle at 500-600), pulls 10inches of vacuum (was
15), and runs like crap.  I checked the metering rods and jets and
they are the same ones.  It was running perfectly before.

When I cover the choke horn with my palm, the engine speeds up and I
get my vacuum back.  What does that mean?

Also, I individually pulled each spark plug (only one off at a time)
boot off of the distributor.  Some of ones the engine almost dies, but
on two or three of the plugs, I can't tell a difference when I unplug
them.  There's a huge fat spark jumping, but the engine doesn't sound
any different with them pulled.  I don't know if it is just because of
the firing order, or am I running on 6 cylinders?

HELP HELP HELP!!!!

- -greg

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:39:04 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale

> >What is a "307 HO"? I thought that GM had committed to all 305's by this
> >year and what horsepower would the HO have vs a 305?
> >
> The 307 HO is the 307 "9" code used in the 442,s. It is an Olds smallblock
> motor as is the 307 "Y", which is what is in my 86 Cutlass.  Others on the
> list can give more information. I know the "9" and the "Y" use diffirent
> cams and lifters.

Yes, they did, but also in a roller configuration as well for the "9"s
in the later ones.  The "Y" motors were rated at 140 H.P., while the "9"
motors were rated at 180 for the 83-85 Hurst/442.  I think that was
dropped to 170 for the 86/87 "9" engines.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:52:57 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: ???'s about PST Front End Kits

What is the difference between the four kits?  I have PST's poly
bushings in my front end, and I don't remember four different kinds.
I'm guessing original is rubber.  I like poly, and they only squeak
when going over BIG bumps like speed bumps quickly.  Normal driving
you can't even tell they are there.

I'd go with the biggest, baddest sway bars.  I have H-O racing's (out
of business now) 1-3/8" front and rear sway bars with boxed lower
control arms and poly bushings out back.  I also have their stiffer
springs with are 1 1/2 lower in front, and 3/4 lower in rear.

Shocks are important too, PST has KYB shocks ($30 each).  They made a
huge difference over cheapo gas shocks.

My cutlass doesn't have ANY body roll around corners.  The limit right
now is my 14" wheels.  Under hard corners I'm driving on the sidewalls
of my tires, that's how far they roll.

I'm saving for vintage wheels' 16x8 rims to fit 255/50/16 Z rated
tires.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 11:43 AM
Subject: ???'s about PST Front End Kits


>I know some people out there own PST's Polygraphite Front End Kits.
>Which ones are best for a 320hp daily driver that likes to take some
>turns at good speeds?
>
>Original Performance
>Original Performance Super
>Performance Polygraphite
>Performance Polygraphite Super
>
>Also, should I get PST's Hi-Po front and rear swaybars? What would be
>the better dia. to get on the front, 1-1/4"?
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>         777777 33333
>            77      33
>Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>          77        33
>         77     33333
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:28:34 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Carb and Manifold question

I don't think you should.  My friend did this with his new Holly on a Chevy
350 truck, and the chocked got fried in a couple of hours.  From what I
know, alternator can give unsteady output and surging.  I think your best
bet is to installed it to a switched source.  Igor.

- ----------

>
> Last question:  On the electric choke wiring, I can hook it up to the
> alternator wiring correct?  I know there was just several posts about
> this, but my hard drive crashed and I lost all my messages.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 14:53:06 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Vin question

Is the long number on the trim tag on the firewall supposed to be the same as
the vin number in the window?

Ken

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:18:49 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Where is red 442

You may want to check out Collector Car Trader Online, there is a 68 covn for
sale in Scottsdale, AZ.  Sound pretty similar, but probably not your
car...then again stranger things have happened.  The guy is asking 11,500, but
you could probably pick it up for a couple of k less.  This car is a #3 or so
car.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:41:34 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: powder coating

hey gang ,im thinking of starting my own shop were i do sand blasting
buffing /polishing ,metal pretection (like por 15)and powder coating
i have all the tool and stuff to do it,but if i do will you guys need
alot of stuff done?becuse i dont know if it will be warth doing ,if i
wont get alot of business(know what i meen)

Thanks
      Ryan

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:44:05 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket & Mr Kettering

>It was in the years 1947 to 49 that this engine was taken from the drawing
>board to production. The motor was to be called "The Kettering" after
Charles
>Kettering, the engineer who finally put this motor together....
>Tony.

>As a side note, Charles Franklin Kettering also patented the points
>ignition
>in 1908.

As another side note....Charles Franklin Kettering also co-founded My
college..."GMI Engineering and Management Institute"  which just recently
had its name changed to "Kettering University"....hmph.

Gib Loudon
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:46:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: powder coating

- ---Ryan D <riviera72sss@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> hey gang ,im thinking of starting my own shop were i do sand blasting
> buffing /polishing ,metal pretection (like por 15)and powder coating
> i have all the tool and stuff to do it,but if i do will you guys need
> alot of stuff done?becuse i dont know if it will be warth doing ,if i
> wont get alot of business(know what i meen)


Do we get that OLDS discount?

==
mailto:super442@yahoo.com
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:58:50 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: In-Reply-To: <c1b91313.359d91be@aol.com>

The is an Olds God :)

While in Idaho this morning  I saw a yellow '75 corvette with a 455 Olds
under the hood.
It had a B&M street scoop and the hood had a small dimple to clear the oil
fill tude,
but it was an Olds Engine :)
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:00:13 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

My original "Owner Operating Manual" says that the '65 Vista-
cruiser,442,Cutlass,and
f85 had three options on transmisions...Jetaway Transmission(TH-300),
Synchromesh
3-speed, and Synchromesh 4-speed, ...the othe "two" that are referred to are
console vs.
column on the 4-speed and automatic.But!...for some reason the ownersmanual
states
that the three speed transmission in the 442 requires 3 pints of fluid vs. 2
pints for the f-85.HELL...IDON'T KNOW!...My sales brochure says that there is
only three transmissions
though.

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:05:24 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 64 olds info wanted-stock 330 v8 tranny??

At 01:12 AM 7/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>what kind of tranny does a stock 64 cutlass have with a 330?????/
>       thanks
>                   joe
>

A 2 speed Jetaway
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:09:49 EDT
From: <OreOlds64@aol.com>
Subject: CLUTCH PEDALS

HELLO ALL,I AM LOOKING FOR SOME CLUTCH PEDALS THAT WILL FIT IN MY 78 GRAN PRIX
THAT NEVER HAD THEM.I HAV A FRESH 403 IN IT WITH A 3 SPD,I WANT TO DRIVE IT
SOMEDAY. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF ANY BODY HAS ANY TO GIV ME A
HOLLER....THANKS

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:09:49 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: engine just got sick

>When I cover the choke horn with my palm, the engine speeds up and I
>get my vacuum back.  What does that mean?
>
>

It seems that it is still to lean
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:38:04 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

Olds Folks!!

I've been contacted by a company which places motion pictures in movies and
TV.  I thought my blue '69 Cutlass S convertible had the 'role' in the bag.
(After all, they approached me.)
However, they have their eyes on a (yet undiscovered) '71 red convertible..
442, SX are okay.    I'd also like to see blue '69 convertibles, 69-72 red..

If you've got one, or know of one, in the SoCal area, available in early
August, YOU MUST CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!!  It's possible we'll need more than
one, possible that we'll need another car for interiors, etc.

SEND E-MAIL -- with photos, if available -- to :

LooseCanno@aol.com       Subject: Movie Cutlass

The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
projects (i.e. music videos)... If you have a problem with this, don't send me
anything.

Thanks!!  Erik

P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they say in
this business, "We'll call you."

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:41:53 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: P.S!!!  Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

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P.S..

DON'T 'REPLY' TO THE E-MAIL - SEND YOUR RESPONSE DIRECTLY TO ME,

LooseCanno@aol.com                 Subject :  Movie Cutlass

Thanks!!

Erik

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From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Return-path: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:38:04 EDT
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Olds Folks!!

I've been contacted by a company which places motion pictures in movies and
TV.  I thought my blue '69 Cutlass S convertible had the 'role' in the bag.
(After all, they approached me.)
However, they have their eyes on a (yet undiscovered) '71 red convertible..
442, SX are okay.    I'd also like to see blue '69 convertibles, 69-72 red..

If you've got one, or know of one, in the SoCal area, available in early
August, YOU MUST CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!!  It's possible we'll need more than
one, possible that we'll need another car for interiors, etc.

SEND E-MAIL -- with photos, if available -- to :

LooseCanno@aol.com       Subject: Movie Cutlass

The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
projects (i.e. music videos)... If you have a problem with this, don't send me
anything.

Thanks!!  Erik

P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they say in
this business, "We'll call you."

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:46:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

>The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
>projects (i.e. music videos)... If you have a problem with this, don't
send me
>anything.
>
>Thanks!!  Erik
>
>P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
>this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they
say in
>this business, "We'll call you."
>

Am I just tired and cranky, or is this written in the most insulting way
possible?
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus Long

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:53:27 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

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In a message dated 98-07-04 16:38:04 EDT, LooseCanno writes:

<< I've been contacted by a company which places motion pictures in movies and
TV.  >>

Sorry folks.. I meant "automobiles in motion pictures and TV."
\
Erik

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From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Return-path: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:38:04 EDT
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Olds Folks!!

I've been contacted by a company which places motion pictures in movies and
TV.  I thought my blue '69 Cutlass S convertible had the 'role' in the bag.
(After all, they approached me.)
However, they have their eyes on a (yet undiscovered) '71 red convertible..
442, SX are okay.    I'd also like to see blue '69 convertibles, 69-72 red..

If you've got one, or know of one, in the SoCal area, available in early
August, YOU MUST CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!!  It's possible we'll need more than
one, possible that we'll need another car for interiors, etc.

SEND E-MAIL -- with photos, if available -- to :

LooseCanno@aol.com       Subject: Movie Cutlass

The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
projects (i.e. music videos)... If you have a problem with this, don't send me
anything.

Thanks!!  Erik

P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they say in
this business, "We'll call you."

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