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Re: '72 442 Conv w/455
Re: Olds Nats Pics and probs w/ my 56
Re: Carb Problem?
RE:'80 350 engine paint?
Re: 73 Delta 88
RE: Spark trivia, was Splitfires, weird stuff, etc...
Suspension And Electrical
Re: RE:'80 350 engine paint?
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: 73 Delta 88
Re: Suspension And Electrical
Re: 73 Delta 88
Looking for convertible Jetfire?
Re: Suspension And Electrical
RE: Spark trivia, was Splitfires, weird stuff, etc...
350 engine
Re: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST
Re: 350 engine
RE: 350 engine
engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)
Bought my 70 442 again
RE: bowtie
Bowtie & Tweaky nomenclature
Re: 350 engine {Bow-ties}
Re: '72 442 Conv w/455
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: Bought my 70 442 again {Mouse smell}
Re: engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)
Re: Suspension And Electrical
Re: 350 engine
Re: show in CT
Re: Bought my 70 442 again
Re: 350 engine
Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE
Re: Stereo mounting
Chrome 442 rims - Part IV
Re: Stereo mounting
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1380
UNBOUNCE: Paging Duane Allen
Re: Stereo mounting
door latch
Re: 350 engine
RE: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE
Re: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
1970 442 Ram Air Question
Re: 350 engine
Re: 350 engine
Re: Anybody need G-quarters?
hood for 66 f-85
DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
Re: 350 engine
Re: DON'T DO IT!! {Seat cleaning}
A *really* stupid question.
Bowtie slang roots
RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
Re: hood for 66 f-85
Ported vs manifold vacuum
Re: DON'T DO IT!! {Seat cleaning}
Re: Bowtie slang roots
Re: DON'T DO IT!! RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
Back from OCA Nationals
Re: DON'T DO IT!! RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
Re: DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}
RE: '79 H/O Parts - long

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:27:06 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '72 442 Conv w/455

Vacuum Control Switch
I need one (or do I?).
This is the switch that sits on top of intake manifold for 71-72 models,
it has three vacuum hose attachments, and an electronic two prong switch
.  Apparently it controls (thermo-electrically?!) the timing at high
output.  Not surpsisingly, the part is discontinued.
First do I really need it, can it be bypassed without loosing power?  If
its a must, how can I track one down, can they be "re-built"?
Thanks for your help.
_______________________

As  you've correctly surmised, the VCS controls vacuum to the distributor's
vac advance canister to alter engine timing.  This is a part of the
emissions control system, trying to balance reduced emissions with the need
to prevent the engine from overheating (the thermostatically controlled
part of the switch runs full manifold vacuum to the vac advance above a
certain temperature to help the engine run cooler).  If I remember
correctly, the electric solenoid in the valve is activated by the
transmission controlled spark switch in the tranny (something like no
advance in second gear, or some such foolish thing).

Functionally, you do not need this switch; it is possible to run straight
manifold vacuum to the vac advance (this is how it was done for years prior
to the advent of emissions controls).  You will likely need to experiment
with the engine's initial timing and may possibly need to add an adjustable
vac advance unit (available from Crane and others) to prevent knocking
under low rpm/heavy load conditions.  Be aware that if your car must be
smog tested then you will need to have the switch hooked up to pass the
visual portion of the test.  Borg Warner markets a selection of
thermostatic vacuum control switches - have you checked their catalog?

It is also possible to visually fake the installation with a
non-functioning switch (not that I would _ever_ recommend such a thing -
this is purely a hypothetical discussion).  Simply find the two vacuum
ports which are normally connected to each other.  Hook one to the vac
advance and one to manifold vacuum, then set the engine up as if you were
running straight manifold vacuum to the advance unit (which you are).  Hook
up a dummy hose from the third vac port to a ported vac tap on the carb and
run dummy wires to the solenoid part of the valve.  Be careful that the
switch really is non-functioning, however.  Should you hook it up this way
and then find that it switches as intended at high temperature, you will
lose vac advance and compound your overheating problem.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:35:37 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Nats Pics and probs w/ my 56

In a message dated 98-07-20 23:58:51 EDT, you write:

<<
 Quick question....am I wrong in wondering why there weren't any 50's olds' or
 older there?   I thought it was "oldsmobile" nationals  not 1968 through 1980
 cutlass' or whatever.  Please fill me in on some of the
 guidelines......without stomping all over my feelbads for asking dumb
 q >>
But there were, We had some 1919 trucks, Bob Kerr had his 1924 touring sedan
there and gave me a nice long ride. Also there were several 49's and 50's
there along with several in the 30's. A lot of  57's 58's & 59's I think there
was a good all around display of the best of the best.
   That 1961 Starfire in Fawn from Mississippi was a car I helped build over
the phone. He bought the car in boxes literally. We spent hours on the phone
with running back and forth to my garage to look at mine. He took a 1st place
but not a senior.
Everett  OCA# 1961    1961 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:31:30 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Problem?

MTBE gas, good point.  MTBE is an Oxygenate.  In other words, it makes
the cars without ECM control run lean.  Supposedly to HELP things.  So
your HC goes up.  If lean, HC high, CO low, if rich, CO high, HC low.
Go figure!  So if you richen it up across the board, it may help, but as
you change gas, you will have to lean it out.  They make it seem like it
helps so much, but my 3800 running with real "Not Reformulated" gas can
get 0.00% CO at idle, and 3 PPM HC.  At 2500 I got 0.01% CO and 8 PPM
HC.  Why screw it up?  They are trying to make this reformulated gas for
all cars when only a fraction of a % need it.  And those cars either
should not be on the road anyway or need the owners slapped and to get
them running right.  If they cannot afford it they need to park it till
then can.....

The oil companies make money on this because it takes less crude oil to
make a gallon of gas with adding 15% MTBE.  Ethanol ran better in my 91
3800 than MTBE, but both really hurt power.  The computer "sees" the
leaner mixture from the MTBE gas being burned and has to richen it up to
compensate, so you lose power and your mileage goes out the window.
Note the gas stations with reform gas usually are scummier and have
cheaper prices.

No, MTBE and Ethanol are not good to put in the gas tank.  Avoid if at
all possible.  Those of you on the Front Range (Colorado) know what I
mean.

I had a good article from Car Craft from the 80's on gas and additives.
Good fuel theory.  I will have to look for it and add it to Bryceman's.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:37:43 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:'80 350 engine paint?

Should you be looking for GM Corp Blue ?  That is what my 301 Turbo was
painted.  I repainted my upper half once, and it was exact.  I have a 80
Turbo Trans AM.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:39:22 +0200
From: Martin Larsen <martin@auditdata.dk>
Subject: Re: 73 Delta 88

Mark, Joe,

What I actually mean is the 73 Delta 88 unique ie. are 72 or 74 models
identical (all body parts, interior etc.) to the 73 ?
I am looking for a complete 73 body (= complete car) in good shape,
since my own has completely rotten, but it seems very and I mean _very_
difficult to find another model that matches mine. I have searched the
net and I have searched a lot of newspapers on the net too, but without
luck.

Thank you, Joe, for the information. As far as I can figure out now is
that the 73 is unique.

Do you guys know some good/lesser known sites to search for such a car ?

- - Martin

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:08:01 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Spark trivia, was Splitfires, weird stuff, etc...

Basics of arcing -- Sharp points are FAR easier to arc from than smooth
ones.

Ok, now that we have that embedded into out heads, we see that yes, the
Rapid-fire is better than all the other plugs.  Now, we throw the
proverbial wrench in...

When you are running your engine, the cylinder is under compression.
Lots of it.  If there were no fuel to assist the arc, it is so high it
would not arc.  When Splitfire shows you the pictures of the arcing, it
is at room pressure, and probably humid.  They need to what is it doing
under 200 psi of cyl pressure, and then add in the 14.7:1 of
air/moisture.  Then see if it can arc that way.  Probably nothing
special then.  The Theory on the Rapidfires is pretty sound.  Angle the
spark at the top of the chamber and start the exploding there, so you
get max downforce so you make the most efficient power.  Exploding into
the middle of the chamber is not very efficient.  (Splitfires, normal
plugs).

But is it significant?  Doubt it.  The aviation plugs are side gappers,
there are numerous race plugs that are much better than all of them, but
they are so cold they would foul at anything less than WOT.  If you have
lots of money, then go for it.  I will just change mine every 12,000
miles just to do it.  I like to play under the hood.....

If it was really that much better for gas mileage the factory would use
them, as they are striving for every last ounce of fuel economy for the
CAFE.  And then they would be able to make them dirt cheap for factory
use.  And no one uses them.  Maybe I am a little off there, but it is
something to ponder.

I just offset the center electrode, or side gap my own.  It takes some
work, but seems to run fine.  They wear out faster though.  I tried to
make Splitfires once, but they were turning blue from heat, and that
means it could be creating a ping problem, and if you have a knock
sensor, it will retard timing and you may never know.  That would hurt
power.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:11:11 EDT
From: <NjOlds@aol.com>
Subject: Suspension And Electrical

               I have a couple of questions about my G-Body.
1.)  My Olds keeps falling out of alignment and I was wondering what is making
it do that, what specific part can I change.  I was also thinking of buying
one of those complete suspension kits from P-S-T will that kill the problem?

2.)  I have close to 1000 watts of juice running in my sound system. Ever
since I put it in ( I'm taking a guess now ) my alternator hasn't been
charging right even when the sound system isn't on ( it still has the original
alternator).  It used to stay around 13 Volts but now anytime I turn the A/C
or the radio on or both at the same time the Volts drop to about 9 and you can
tell it struggles to take off.  Even when the engine is at high RPM's it stays
at or around 9 Volts.  What should I do??

Thanks in advance to anyone who gives their 2 cents.

Enio
' 87 Olds Cutlass Supreme

http://members.xoom.com/NjOlds/    ---------  still working on it....... but
it works.....

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:21:40 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: RE:'80 350 engine paint?

Yeah, I just picked up some GM Corporate Blue at the local parts store.  It
looks identical to my 350's paint.  Thanks for the advice to all that 
responded.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car


>Should you be looking for GM Corp Blue ?  That is what my 301 Turbo was
>painted.  I repainted my upper half once, and it was exact.  I have a 80
>Turbo Trans AM.
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

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Yeah, I just picked up some GM Corporate Blue at the local parts store.  It
looks identical to my 350's paint.  Thanks for the advice to all that 
responded.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car


>Should you be looking for GM Corp Blue ?  That is what my 301 Turbo was
>painted.  I repainted my upper half once, and it was exact.  I have a 80
>Turbo Trans AM.
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:22:42 EDT
From: <Edokuhl@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Delta 88

73 deltas are different--- biggest is the rectangular taillights,not on 72's
or 74's i know i own a 73 delta 88 royale cpe....our 73's rule-----can anybody
add to the differences??....let me know what they are???


                                           erik

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:41:47 -0400
From: Bill Gochenour <gochenow@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Suspension And Electrical

NjOlds@aol.com wrote:
>
>                I have a couple of questions about my G-Body.
> 1.)  My Olds keeps falling out of alignment and I was wondering what is 
making
> it do that, what specific part can I change.  I was also thinking of buying
> one of those complete suspension kits from P-S-T will that kill the problem?
>
> 2.)  I have close to 1000 watts of juice running in my sound system. Ever
> since I put it in ( I'm taking a guess now ) my alternator hasn't been
> charging right even when the sound system isn't on ( it still has the 
original
> alternator).  It used to stay around 13 Volts but now anytime I turn the A/C
> or the radio on or both at the same time the Volts drop to about 9 and you 
can
> tell it struggles to take off.  Even when the engine is at high RPM's it 
stays
> at or around 9 Volts.  What should I do??
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who gives their 2 cents.
>
> Enio
> ' 87 Olds Cutlass Supreme
>
> http://members.xoom.com/NjOlds/    ---------  still working on it....... but
> it works.....

- --------------

1.)Sorry, don't have that answer.


2.)When you say 1000 watts, are you refering to the total system output,
or the capacity of the alternator? It's a very good possibility that you
toasted the output regulator or a section of the diode's. If you popped
it once, if your just going to replace it without upgrading the system,
it will leave you again!

My strong recomendation is dual batteries with an isolator and a beefed
up alternator. It's really a simple installation. If you've got a
19870's Cutlass, you can relocate the charcoal canisted and the second
battery fill fit perfect. The tray is already there, same as on the
drivers side. With this type of setup the car battery will never see the
load of the stereo or even the second battery. Also, on the alternator,
chage the pulley to the smallest you can find. The smaller the pulley
diameter, the faster it turns, the higher the output especially helpful
at low rpm's when idle.

If you need more info, save the bandwith and email me direct.

Good luck!

- --

Bill !

1986 Cutlass 442 "The Perfect 10"             _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:43:41 EDT
From: <Edokuhl@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Delta 88

the 73 is unique....if you find one get it....

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:13:10 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Looking for convertible Jetfire?

I am wondering about something.

My grandmother (she passed away in 1976) had a 61-63 Jetfire
convertible.  She lived in Grand Rapids, MI.  I am not sure when the car
was sold or what color.  But has anyone every bought a Jetfire
convertible from Grand Rapids, MI?   I think it was light blue.

I know this is a long shot, but I would like to see if the cars still
exists.  I will try to get details on when the car was sold.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:51:33 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension And Electrical

>
>2.)  I have close to 1000 watts of juice running in my sound system. Ever
>since I put it in ( I'm taking a guess now ) my alternator hasn't been
>charging right even when the sound system isn't on ( it still has the
original
>alternator).  It used to stay around 13 Volts but now anytime I turn the A/C
>or the radio on or both at the same time the Volts drop to about 9 and you
can
>tell it struggles to take off.  Even when the engine is at high RPM's it
stays
>at or around 9 Volts.  What should I do??

Some places wire the amplifiers so they are always on when the car is
running.
Put in a 100 amp alternator.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:59:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: RE: Spark trivia, was Splitfires, weird stuff, etc...

back in the old days there was somthing racers experimented with called
"cut plugs"..Essentially the side electrode was bent straight to the tip
of the center electrode and the excess cut off.. I always wondered where
Splitfire  got its idea . maybe from an "old timer"

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:47 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: 350 engine

I am putting a chevy 350 big block in my 82 cutlass i would rather put an olds
engine in it but the price is very nice does anyone know of prices for an olds
engine that would be brand new and around a 350, but he is getting it for me
from the dealership brand new for $1,000  and thats with delivery to my door
thanks in advance
Rich

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:36:42 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE LIST

> PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO GET OFF THE LIST.

H*LP H*LP H*LP.......

For all needing this info...  Here's again.  Click on the
FAQ link at the bottom of this screen.
(The List Removal and Guidelines link.)

It's a whole page dedicated to the subject.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:48:03 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

> I am putting a chevy 350 big block in my 82 cutlass i would rather put an 
olds
> engine in it but the price is very nice does anyone know of prices for an 
olds
> engine

Rich!!!!  Check here first.  (investigate further before choosing the company,
I've no experience with them, but glance through this list anyway:

http://engineexchange.com/OldsmobileLongblocks.htm

And remember, real cars don't wear bowties :)


Page seems to be slow loading today, but their premeir plus longblock Olds 350
(older style) was under $900.

Seem to recall the 455's were actually quite reasonable, too.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:03:49 -0500
From: Lance Kistner <lkistner@insul-8.com>
Subject: RE: 350 engine

Please help clarify the jargon you used.  When you use bowtie in regards to
a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or whatever?  Technically I'm
sound but this whole new arena of terms and acronyms is causing a slight
struggle in overall comprehension of these e-mail messages.  Thanks.

			Confused (just a little) in Omaha

p.s  I sure it's a matter of time, yet questions assist in reducing time
for understanding the nuances of terminology.



- -----Original Message-----
From:	Oldsmagnet [SMTP:buehner@lyrea.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:48 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: 350 engine

> I am putting a chevy 350 big block in my 82 cutlass i would rather put an
olds
> engine in it but the price is very nice does anyone know of prices for an
olds
> engine

Rich!!!!  Check here first.  (investigate further before choosing the
company,
I've no experience with them, but glance through this list anyway:

http://engineexchange.com/OldsmobileLongblocks.htm

And remember, real cars don't wear bowties :)


Page seems to be slow loading today, but their premeir plus longblock Olds
350
(older style) was under $900.

Seem to recall the 455's were actually quite reasonable, too.
- --
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)

> http://engineexchange.com/OldsmobileLongblocks.htm


I just checked this place out!  What incredible prices!

Ed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:19:11 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Bought my 70 442 again

This is the third time I have owned this car and I have never driven it.
Took the motor out of it in high school and never put it back together.
Drove through the liquor store last night(car was on the trailer) and the
guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this is
gonna be a long project. BTW...how do you remove mouse urine smell?
Eric&Summer Phillips

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:50 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: RE: bowtie

"Bowtie" as in Chevrolet; their logo is called a "bowtie".

Cheers,

Bruce D. Brumm
Bdbrumm@ldmtech.com <mailto:Bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
'86 Olds Cutlass Salon (307Y, t-tops, etc.)
'91 Ford Thunderbird Sport (5.0HO)

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Lance Kistner [mailto:lkistner@insul-8.com]
		Sent:	Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:04 PM
		To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
		Subject:	RE: 350 engine

		Please help clarify the jargon you used.  When you use
bowtie in regards to
		a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or
whatever?  Technically I'm
		sound but this whole new arena of terms and acronyms is
causing a slight
		struggle in overall comprehension of these e-mail
messages.  Thanks.

					Confused (just a little) in
Omaha

		p.s  I sure it's a matter of time, yet questions assist
in reducing time
		for understanding the nuances of terminology.



		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Oldsmagnet [SMTP:buehner@lyrea.com]
		Sent:	Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:48 AM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	Re: 350 engine

		> I am putting a chevy 350 big block in my 82 cutlass i
would rather put an
		olds
		> engine in it but the price is very nice does anyone
know of prices for an
		olds
		> engine

		Rich!!!!  Check here first.  (investigate further before
choosing the
		company,
		I've no experience with them, but glance through this
list anyway:

		http://engineexchange.com/OldsmobileLongblocks.htm

		And remember, real cars don't wear bowties :)


		Page seems to be slow loading today, but their premeir
plus longblock Olds
		350
		(older style) was under $900.

		Seem to recall the 455's were actually quite reasonable,
too.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:18:58 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Bowtie & Tweaky nomenclature

Lance,
A "bowtie" (sometimes "blowtie") is an oft used Ch*vy reference.

A little more tweaky nomenclature: "*'s" are used in place of vowels
which would refer to different brands of vehicle: F*rd, Ch*vy, Bu*ck,
etc.

These are quirks of language common to the list like the warped
gene we all share which makes us treat oldsmobiles like stray
animals in need of a home....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lance Kistner [mailto:lkistner@insul-8.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:04 AM
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: 350 engine
>
>
> Please help clarify the jargon you used.  When you use bowtie
> in regards to a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or
whatever?
> Technically I'm sound but this whole new arena of terms and acronyms
is
> causing a slight  struggle in overall comprehension of these e-mail
> messages.  Thanks.
>
> 			Confused (just a little) in Omaha
>
> p.s  I sure it's a matter of time, yet questions assist in
> reducing time  for understanding the nuances of terminology.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:18:11 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine {Bow-ties}

I'll grab this one!!

A bowtie is the 'Plus' sign on Chevy's (Grill, steering wheel, they show
up everywhere.)

{If only Olds built 1/2-tons, I would need no bow-ties}

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/truck.shtml
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

Lance Kistner wrote:
>
> Please help clarify the jargon you used.  When you use bowtie in regards to
> a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or whatever?  Technically I'm
> sound but this whole new arena of terms and acronyms is causing a slight
> struggle in overall comprehension of these e-mail messages.  Thanks.
>
>                         Confused (just a little) in Omaha

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:27:23 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: '72 442 Conv w/455

snip...
>Functionally, you do not need this switch; it is possible to run
straight
>manifold vacuum to the vac advance (this is how it was done for years
prior
>to the advent of emissions controls>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com


Sorry Joe, but I'm pretty sure the vacuum advance needs a ported
vacuum signal from the carb, not straight manifold vacuum.

I long removed the vacuum advance/temp switch thing, and it made no
real difference other than clean up the look of the engine.

- -greg

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:19:14 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

babbott@pdnt.com wrote:

> guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
> once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this is

At least he didn't say Forty Four two!  :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)

On engineexchange (and alltogether) what is the difference between a
longblock and shortblock?  The difference between the 455 short and long
is like $400.

Ed

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

Or Four hundred and fourty two (wow would that sound dorky).

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) wrote:

> babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
>
> > guy commented on my car. He said "I had one of those four fourty two's
> > once"...... Don't ya hate it when people say that? Wish me luck, this is
>
> At least he didn't say Forty Four two!  :-)
>
> --
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442 SC - Frosty
> 68 442 HT - Scarlet
> 68 442 HT - Saffron
> 82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
> http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:31:48 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again {Mouse smell}

babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> BTW...how do you remove mouse urine smell?


Where is the smell located??  For that year of car, if your not into
total-restoration, and you want to clean the interior, one word:

Car Wash {Actually 2 words}

Just soak , soap, and rinse the entire interior, don't be cheap on the
soap, bring some extra from home if you want more kick, then rinse it
all out good, shop-vac out any excess water, dry off dash, etc.., then
leave the car sitting outside with the windows rolled-down about a 1/2
an inch.  The green-house effect here works wonders, and will dry-out
the interior quite fast.  My dad has done this on many a farm-truck he's
painted in order to get rid of the ground-in farm smells that make
worthless for re-sale.  If you take the interior out mostly to clean it
like this, you end up with a very-refreshed, restored almost looking
interior for almost no cost.  All in all, I took my 78 98 with spilt
milk rotted into the interior, and in less than a day, I had a real-nice
looking all-clean interior (Of course, the car got stolen a week after,
so be careful).


Just rambling..

eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/gobstop.shtml  <-- Recently had this done.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:43:33 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: engineexchange (was RE: 350 engine)

At 02:20 PM 7/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On engineexchange (and alltogether) what is the difference between a
>longblock and shortblock?  The difference between the 455 short and long
>is like $400.
>

A short Block doesn't have heads and valvetrain.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:48:43 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension And Electrical

In a message dated 98-07-21 11:15:28 EDT, you write:

<<  It used to stay around 13 Volts but now anytime I turn the A/C
 or the radio on or both at the same time the Volts drop to about 9 and you
can
 tell it struggles to take off.  Even when the engine is at high RPM's it
stays
 at or around 9 Volts.  What should I do?? >>


Enio, get a multi meter and check the battery when the car is running. The
voltmeter in the car is not a precision instrument, just designed to show when
voltage starts to drop. Anything above 12 volts should be ok, but mine runs
around 13.5 (the gauge reads around 11!) But, it sounds like your reading
changed, so my guess would be the alternator is too small...GM made up to
about a 110 amp alternator..I think it would be plenty big if that indeed is
your problem. Dorian

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:50:36 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

dont know if i should go through them to get my engine i just called both of
the numbers that they give on the site to call and both of them have been
disconnected just sent them email to see exactly what is new and what is
rebuilt maybe they will answer me dont so far I dont trust them
Rich  81,82,85 cutlass

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:54:14 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: show in CT

never been to a show before what can i expect to see there or is it alot of
really nice cars             any help
           Rich
    81cutlass82cutlass85cutlass

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:03:53 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again

>  BTW...how do you remove mouse urine smell?

First, take the chevy small block out of the trunk..... :)

Just kidding!  If it's in the carpet, you'll probably need a new one
anyway, so toss the old one, and rinse out the pan.  If it's in the
seats, then this will be more difficult.  If you can't WASH it out, then
my advice is to get the seats reupholstered.  Sounds like a lot of $$$$,
but sometimes, there is no other choice.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:13:49 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

> i just called both of the numbers that they give on the site
> to call and both of them have been disconnected just sent
> them email to see exactly what is new and what is rebuilt
>  maybe they will answer me dont so far I dont trust them

Here's some more contact info for their site, if this helps,
from their WHOIS listing:

   Branch's Engine Exchange
   146 Ferguson Village
   Dallas, Texas 75228

   Domain Name: ENGINEEXCHANGE.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      York, Dan  DY57  danyork@IADFW.NET
      214-327-5168
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Admin, DNS  CM121  dns-admin@CMPU.NET
      972-994-0191 (FAX) 972-680-0021
   Billing Contact:
      York, Dan  DY57  danyork@IADFW.NET
      214-327-5168

   Record last updated on 02-Oct-97.
   Record created on 10-Jul-97.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:37:18 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE

How did you make out with the power valve?

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> Please somebody tell me what's going on with my Olds.  My car is blubbering
> out of the exhaust. When I torque the motor up and leave it blubbers, but if
> I just nail it their is just a little blubber. At high rpm's their is no
> blubber, as a matter of fact it sounds great. It's just at the lower rpm's
> I lost three races in a row because of this.  It was a terrible weekend for
> my Olds.
> Somebody Please Help me.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:29:08 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting

Hi you all

Thanks for your info. This is what I have decided to do:
I will mount the actuall stereo together with my two amps and my CD
changer (cable operated, not FM modulator) on a plate, mounted under the
front bench. A local stereo guru is rewiring the stereo, so the only
thing I will have up front, is the face plate, which will be mounted in
a modified ashtray. All my speakers (8) will be invisible mounted, four
behind modified doorpanels, two 6x9 under modified package tray, and
subs behind back seat in trunk. This will give me a killer stereo with
absolutely nothing!!! visible.

I've spendt most of the day talking to custom stereo shops, and finally
found a guy which understand what I want. There is no current models on
the market here in the US which is built for hidden mounting, but
Blaupunkt have one model available in Europe which contains a controll
panel up front, and all electronics in the trunk. Why all this trouble?
If you cant see it, you cant steal it! and the car looks all original!:)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:26 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Chrome 442 rims - Part IV

Just in case any list members DON'T regularly read the classifieds
at 442.com I just ran across this.

Date Posted 7/20/1998 - 4- 15x7 Chrome 442 Rims (85-87) they are mint no
rust and none are bent. Have 4-442 centre caps as well and are mounted on BF
Goodrich Radial TA's RWL.2- 215\65\15 and 2-255\60\15 the tires are brand
new under 5K and the complete set is mint.These are hard to find and can
make a car.Complete package $950 amer. OBO Darryl zych@globalserve.net
(905)664-2002 Stoney Creek,Ontario


- -Mark Tupper

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:51:52 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting

Alpine makes a CD Changer/Controller with FM tuner option...all that is needed
is to mount the liquid crystal display( about 1/2" x 1 1/4") in a suitable
location...all controlling is done via creditcard sized remote...I have seen
the LCD's mounted in the gauge cluster...looks VERY stealthy!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:52:21 EDT
From: <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1380

Hey everybody how do I change from getting the list in digest form to getting
it the other way?



Mike

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:45:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Paging Duane Allen

Duane, if you're here, reply to mstill@abraxis.com

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Mike Still <mstill@abraxis.com>
Subject: Searching for e-mail address

Hi,

I am searching for an e-mail adress of a friend of mine who belongs to the
Olds Club in Lansing, Mi.  Is there any way you could give it to me if he
is on your list of subscribers.  His name is Duane Allen.

Thanks,

Mike Still
mstill@abraxis.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:54:16 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting

The Alpine unit is a "stand-alone" unit...all that is required is a outboard
amp...hass all the pre-amp
capabilities...bass/treble/fader/balance/volume...etc,etc...

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:58:42 -0700
From: William Otto <ottolabs2@earthlink.net>
Subject: door latch

Would appreciate any information to help me locate front door latch off
1977 Oldsmobile Delta 88. Think they were the same 1977-79. I found some
if I buy the complete door for $100.00 I was hoping to buy just the
latch for less. Thanks  Rolland <ottolabs2@earthlink.net

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:57:26 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

In a message dated 98-07-21 14:10:27 EDT, you write:

<< When you use bowtie in regards to
 a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or whatever?   >>

You don't want to be seen in a bowtie. It looks ridiculous!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:00:00 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE

The power valve checks out good.  I think that it may be the front quirter
not being big enough, I guess.

Thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Peter Flinkfelt [SMTP:pftno1klr@edgenet.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:37 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE
>
> How did you make out with the power valve?
>
> Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
> > Please somebody tell me what's going on with my Olds.  My car is
> blubbering
> > out of the exhaust. When I torque the motor up and leave it blubbers,
> but if
> > I just nail it their is just a little blubber. At high rpm's their is no
> > blubber, as a matter of fact it sounds great. It's just at the lower
> rpm's
> > I lost three races in a row because of this.  It was a terrible weekend
> for
> > my Olds.
> > Somebody Please Help me.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:57:19 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

Mike Rothe. wrote:
> If you can't WASH it out, then
> my advice is to get the seats reupholstered.  Sounds like a lot of $$$$,
> but sometimes, there is no other choice.

Another trick to try, dump a gallon of Industrial-Grade Lacra-thinner
{Spelt wrong} into the seat, this stuff kills all kind of odours, and
eventually evapourates to nothing.  Real good for killing resistant
bacteria in places like seats n stuff.

May not work, but is REAL cheap to try.

eric

http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:08:15 -0700
From: Joseph Aguilar <aguilar@courier8.aero.org>
Subject: 1970 442 Ram Air Question

Hello,

I have a question about a 1970 442 (non W-30).  If you ordered the ram
air package (W25), did you also get the air cleaner assembly?  Or did
the air cleaner assembly only come with the W Machines (i.e. W30, W31)?
Thanks in advance.

Joseph

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:09:08 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

I met a guy who worked for Chevy most of his life and he said that the
bowtie symbol came from some wall paper in a john in France. Apparently the
founder of Chevrolet thought the little bowtie design that he was starring
at while...  looked pretty cool.
Just a roomer I guess.
Valid?????
Brett Wilson

- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: 350 engine


>In a message dated 98-07-21 14:10:27 EDT, you write:
>
><< When you use bowtie in regards to
> a vehicle, what is the hidden meaning or joke or whatever?   >>
>
>You don't want to be seen in a bowtie. It looks ridiculous!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:12:45 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 350 engine

all right i am not going to get the ch*vy 350 if this engineexchange place is
for real i will get the olds 350      is every one happy now now where can i
go to get a good transmission that would be good with the engine   thaks again
Rich

81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:21:26 EDT
From: <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody need G-quarters?

Where do u live, im in NJ.  I could use the left rear qtr for my 86.
Bernie

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:25:53 EDT
From: <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: hood for 66 f-85

Does anyone know of any after market hoods avail. for a 66 f-85?  I am looking
for something like a  later model cutless with ram air type hood.  Something
with you know holes or whatever,  Boy do I sound dumb

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:28:17 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

Ummm,  flammability is a very real issue here!  Lacquer-thinner is not
what I'd use (especially in that quantity).  Burning your car up will
leave you with a really, really, strong, smokey smell.... :-)

I have no useful suggestions for getting rid of mouse urine smells, but
steer clear of extremely flammable solvents in any case!

Bruce D. Brumm
Bdbrumm@ldmtech.com <mailto:Bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Eric [mailto:big_olds@hotmail.com]
		Sent:	Tuesday, July 21, 1998 3:57 PM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	Re: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat
cleaning}

		Mike Rothe. wrote:
		> If you can't WASH it out, then
		> my advice is to get the seats reupholstered.  Sounds
like a lot of $$$$,
		> but sometimes, there is no other choice.

		Another trick to try, dump a gallon of Industrial-Grade
Lacra-thinner
		{Spelt wrong} into the seat, this stuff kills all kind
of odours, and
		eventually evapourates to nothing.  Real good for
killing resistant
		bacteria in places like seats n stuff.

		May not work, but is REAL cheap to try.

		eric

		http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:39:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: 350 engine

Don't know if factual, but AKOHLER@aol.com claimed to work at Olds dealer &
said that GM was selling remanufactured Olds 350's through dealers for $1619
plus tax.

May be worth an inquiry......

roger hitson

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:32:08 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!! {Seat cleaning}

Ummm,  flammability is a very real issue here!...
I have no useful suggestions for getting rid of mouse urine smells, but
steer clear of extremely flammable solvents in any case!
Bruce D. Brumm
______________

Good advice.  Won't laquer thinner also melt vinyl upholstery and other
plastic parts?

As for urine smells, how about trying home carpet stain removers sold at
pet stores.  With a dog and four cats, we go through a lot of a product
called Nature's Wonder.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:36:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: A *really* stupid question.

How the hell do I get at my radio?

This is my 86 Ciera Gt.

I wanna double-check some connections on my antenea, it's a little funky.

The Haynes manual suggests I start taking out the dash by taking out the
screwes in my ashtray.  Trouble is, my ashtray is part of my console, and
there's a big cubby-hole sitting in front of where ashtrays normally are
in a ciera.  There are no screws in this cubby hole.

The Haynes manual also suggested I remove some flanges from around the
vents to get them off, but I'm pretty sure there are no flanges to remove.

HOW THE HELL DO I GET MY DASH APART?!?!?!?!?

Argh.

_Am

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:43:26 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Bowtie slang roots

>Lance,
>A "bowtie" (sometimes "blowtie") is an oft used Ch*vy reference.

Lance, I had often wondered about the reference to "bowtie" myself.

One day I was leafing through a Summit Racing catalog and as I was looking
at some Chey stuff I noticed that the Chevy logo looked like a bow tie; the
kind that come with rental tuxedos.

I don't know if this is how the name got started, but it kinda made sense
to me.

Anybody know for sure?

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:08 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

At 04:28 PM 7/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ummm,  flammability is a very real issue here!  Lacquer-thinner is not
>what I'd use (especially in that quantity).  Burning your car up will
>leave you with a really, really, strong, smokey smell.... :-)
>
"Smokey smell" just made me think.
Most janitorial supply stores sell stuff to get rid of odors.
"Nill-Odor" and "Smoke-eeter" are two of the best.
I know nil-odor will take out cat urine smell.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:35:56 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: hood for 66 f-85

Does anyone know of any after market hoods avail. for a 66 f-85?  I am
looking
for something like a  later model cutless with ram air type hood....
Mike
_________

I'm not aware of any W-25 style hoods for a 66, but Dick Miller sells flat
fiberglass 66 hoods.  Shouldn't be too hard to graft on almost any scoop of
choice ('glass on 'glass is easy; 'glass on metal is tough to prevent
cracks due to the different coefficient of thermal expansion).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:46:21 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Ported vs manifold vacuum

Sorry Joe, but I'm pretty sure the vacuum advance needs a ported
vacuum signal from the carb, not straight manifold vacuum.
I long removed the vacuum advance/temp switch thing, and it made no
real difference other than clean up the look of the engine.
- -greg
___________

Greg,

You can certainly bypass the switch, hook the vac advance up to the ported
vac tap, and the car will run exactly the same as before under almost all
conditions, since you've really not changed anything - the vac advance was
running on ported vac before and it still is.  The lack of vacuum advance
at idle was intended to control NOX emissions at idle.  The only drawback
to this condition is the case where you're idling in traffic on a hot day.
The ported vacuum obviously provides no advance at idle, so the car will
tend to run a little hotter.  The thermostatic portion of the switch was
designed to switch to straight manifold vacuum above a certain coolant
temperature to provide additional advance and prevent the motor from
overheating (at the expense of NOX levels).

By running the vac advance from straight manifold vacuum at all times, you
eliminate this potential overheating problem, though at the expense of NOX.
On the other hand, mileage under stop and go conditions should be
marginally improved.  Unfortunately, if the advance was originally intended
to operate with ported vacuum, the switch to manifold vac may provide too
much advance under some conditions, leading to pinging.  Thus my suggestion
to add an adjustable vac advance canister.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:48:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!! {Seat cleaning}

...With a dog and four cats, we go through a lot of a product
called Nature's Wonder.
________________

Now that I think about it, it may be called Nature's Miracle or something
like that.
Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com
66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:58:27 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Bowtie slang roots

yes that is correct.
I am wondering if the story I heard is valid.
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 3:35 PM
Subject: Bowtie slang roots


>>Lance,
>>A "bowtie" (sometimes "blowtie") is an oft used Ch*vy reference.
>
>Lance, I had often wondered about the reference to "bowtie" myself.
>
>One day I was leafing through a Summit Racing catalog and as I was looking
>at some Chey stuff I noticed that the Chevy logo looked like a bow tie; the
>kind that come with rental tuxedos.
>
>I don't know if this is how the name got started, but it kinda made sense
>to me.
>
>Anybody know for sure?
>
>jp
>
>Jonathan Parke
>mailto:jonparke@together.net
>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:05:59 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!! RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

> Ummm, flammability is a very real issue here! Lacquer-thinner is
> not what I'd use (especially in that quantity).  Burning your car
> up will leave you with a really, really, strong, smokey smell....

...and those pesky explosions keep breaking the windows, too.
(thinking of scene in "The Simpsons" where the exploding stills
in the basement are keeping Homer awake...  :-)

The stuff is fine on a cloth for spot removal or some such, but
if it's allowed to soak into foam cushions or carpeting I think
it'd be a long time before all the fumes worked out of it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:03:00 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Back from OCA Nationals

Hey gang!!!

Got back from the OCA Nationals the other night after a 1000 Mile and 18
hour ride in the '83 Ciera.  Turned out to be a great trip and I had lots
of fun.  The Ciera averaged about 29 MPG at an average speed of 65 MPH.
Probably would have been just a bit more comfortable if the A/C worked.
(It gets hot out in the Midwest).

A bunch of us from the Olds list did manage to get together for about an
hour or so at Everett Horton's Swap spot. It was cool to finally put some
faces to those e-mail addresses.  We definately have a great group of
people on this list.  Everyone was really friendly.

As far as the show went, it was awesome!! Aproximately 540  cars were
there, everything from a 1919 tow truck up to a later 90's Aurora, and just
about everything inbetween.  There were just too many cars to pick out any
one favorite, they all looked so great.  But, worthy of mention are the
dozen or so nicely restored early 20's and 30's Olds that were there. (You
just don't see to many of them anymore)  A '69 H/O with the new Demmer/Du
Pont paint, which really looks sharp, and a blown 455 that was put in a
'30-'40's hot rod.  Those are just a few of the cars that really stick out
in my mind.

I managed to pick up a few things at the swap meet also.  A fairly decent
set of Hurst Lightning Rod shifters.  A set of valve covers with
"OLDSMOBILE" embossed on them, an '85 dealer showroom album, and a few
other small items.

If you've never been to a national meet, I do HIGHLY recommend attending
one soon.  It's very rare that you get to see such a large gathering of
quality Oldsmobiles and vendors just selling Olds Stuff, all in one spot.
And if your wondering, '99 is in Dallas, Texas, end of June.  '00 is in
Somerset, NJ and '01 is in Denver, CO and '02 is back at Lansing MI.  Start
making plans now ;)


Bill Reilly
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:05:58 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!! RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

I have to agree, lacquer thinner is extremely flammable.  Also if you dumped
it on the seats in any quantity you can melt the vinyl before your very eyes.

My suggestion is to wash the soiled area with soap and water.  Then take a
ride to your local pet supply or veterinarian and buy some odor eliminator.
It comes in a pump bottle for dog or cat urine, your choice, it works and is
inexpensive.  I do not have a brand name handy, so tell the clerk or whoever,
what you are trying to do.


Dave (my wife works in a vets office) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:12:41 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: DON'T DO IT!!  RE: Bought my 70 442 again {Seat cleaning}

I never have tried this, but I was talking to a guy one time at a car show
that rebuilt wrecks for a living. Some of them were totals, and people had
been seriously injured or died in them. So you can imagine now nice they
smelled. He suggested this process to remove stubborn odors:

Put a couple of foil pie pans in the car and fill them with mothballs, Leave
them in the car for a week with the windows rolled up. After a week, take them
out, then put several unwrapped loaves of bread in the car and leave them for
a week. The theory is that the break absorbs the odor of the mothballs. I
never have tried this, so I can't tell you if it works or not. But might be
worth a try.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:32:21 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: '79 H/O Parts - long

On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com> wrote:
> . . . The only Hurst Olds with that body style was '79.  In '80 they made
 almost
> the identical car without the Hurst name and shifter calling it a 442.
> Special things were the paint scheme,
********************
Not exactly true - the two-toned "sport" paint option was available on any
'78 to '80 Cutlass Calais.  But the gold upper paint color was exclusive to
the '79 H/O and the '80 442.  I've heard that it actually was a Pontiac
Trans-Am Firebird paint color.

hurst dual gate shifter and console,
********************
True, although this is the same shifter which was used in all the earlier
Hurst/Oldsmobiles so it wasn't exclusive to the '79 H/O.

grill,
********************
I don't think so.  I believe the grills were just standard Cutlass Calais
parts on both the '79 H/O and the '80 442.

W-30 stickers on the front fenders,
********************
True, although again I believe that these same decals were used on the
mid-1970s H/Os too.

gold aluminum rims,
********************
Again not exactly true.  The aluminum wheels were an option for the Calais,
and probably most of the other '78 to '80 Cutlass models as well.  But
again, the gold paint was exclusive to Oldsmobile on these two models.

full gauges,
********************
Not true at all.  The gauge package was standard on all Cutlass Calais.

interior color,
********************
Not true at all.  As a former '79 Hurst/Olds owner, I know that the
available interiors were black vinyl, tan vinyl, and tan fabric.  Those
same choices were available on any '79 Calais.

H/O emblems,
********************
True, of course only for the '79.  And these emblems were exclusive to just
those 2,499 cars, due to the gold paint used on them.  Some of the previous
years H/Os had identical sized and shaped emblems on their exteriors and
shifter plates, but where the '79 emblems are gold, they were red.  The
1980 442 emblems may have been unique to that year as well, but I'm less
sure about that.  I don't have much experience with that year 442, having
never owned one and only ever driven one once.

steering wheel, bucket seats, 442 suspension,
*********************
Not true, not true, and not true.  All were standard pieces on the Cutlass
Calais.

fake dual exhaust,
********************
Possibly true - I don't recall if the dual outlet muffler was used on any
other engines in the Cutlass.  If any, that same muffler would probably
have also been used with the cars that had the 305 or 350 (high altitude
only) 4-barrel Chevy engines.

350 Olds engine, Turbo 350 transmission,
********************
True for the Cutlass line, but not true if we're considering all of
Oldsmobile in 1979 and 1980.  Then, as is still true, each engine and
transmission combination had to be certified as meeting the current EPA
regulations.  Certification is a rather slow and somewhat costly process.
At least in 1979, the regulations allowed the use of any engine and
transmission combination which had been previously certified in any series
car, as long as less than 2,500 were built.  If 2,500 or more were built,
then the engine and transmission combination had to be recertified in that
particular series.  The Olds 350 / THM 350 combination was already
certified in both the 88 and 98 series, so it was legal to also put them
into a Cutlass body too.  As long as less than 2,500 were built.  That's
why there were only 2,499 1979 Hurst/Oldsmobiles.  My sister had a 1979
Delta 88 and it had a duplicate engine and transmission to my '79 H/O.  Now
the real shame is that the Olds 403 / THM 350 combination was also already
certified in both the 88 and 98 as well, and would just as easily have gone
into the Cutlass body as well.  We should have also seen 2,499 built with
that combination too, but of course didn't.  I'm not sure if any or all of
this applies to the 1980 442, but it possibly all does.

and antenna in the wind shield.
********************
Not true either.  The windshield antenna was standard on all '78 to '80
Cutlass models.  A right front fender mounted power antenna was an option
on most, if not all Cutlass models, and quite a few of these "top of the
line" Hurst/Oldsmobiles and 442s had that.  The rarest option I can think
of for either the '79 H/O or '80 442 is the fiber optic lamp monitors which
were available on any Calais.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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