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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 19 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1318



Re: Posi Help
Re: moving
Re: 68 sport wheel...FYI
Re: Shock absorbers
Last Call -OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20
Re: Shock absorbers
Re: Lots 'O' Parts For Sale
condenser supports
RE: Rocket talk
Re: 350 or 455?
Re: Fuel Tank Surge Tank/Vent
Re: Blower motors
RE: Rocket talk
Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
Re: directional tires (was: dumb/dumber question)
RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
RE: Rear Cyclops light out.
RE: Radial T/As
68-69 442 Convertible for sale
1968 98 Conv question.
Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
Re: Blower motors
RE: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
RE: Blower motors
Re: Blower motors
'68 scoop size
Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
Resolving terminology
Re: Posi Help
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1316 CONTENT!!!
Re: Lots 'O' Parts For Sale
Re: OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20
Re: Rear Cyclops light out.
back on realtime...sort of
Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
Re: condenser supports
W-31 update
Re: 1968 98 Conv question.
RE: condenser supports
Re: umm...T/A what?
Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
87 Toro
RE: 1968 98 Conv question.
Re: W-31 update
RE: W-31 update
Re: W-31 update
a-body water pumps
Re: 350 or 455?
Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
Re: Rear Cyclops light out.
Re: W-31 update
RE: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
RE: W-31 update
RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
Re: W-31 update
RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?
Re: W-31 update
RE: 350 or 455?
available olds
Re: Olds Homecoming & Ashley Jones
70-72 Sport wheel/horn button question
Re: W-31 update
Re: 350 or 455?
RE: W-31 update

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:37:59 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Posi Help

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Posi Help


>
>

Robert,

Maybe I'm not fully understanding what you are describing. The case where
the pinion comes through is worn (ballooned). Yes? If that is so, then the
only way that should be able to happen is if the pinion is not staying
centered, (worn bearing, loose retaining nut) and rubbing the case. Does the
pinion shaft have a ring or groove worn in it a few inches from the end of
the shaft where it comes out of the case?

You have two pinion bearings, front and rear. They look like wheel bearings
(tapered roller). If I remember correctly the rear one is pressed onto the
pinion shaft after you install the shims, if needed.
So it should have come out with the pinion. Look in the case, front and
back, and you should see the inner race (cup) still in there. They are put
in just as if you were replacing the bearing set on wheel drums.

>Another question.   Is there a hardened case available??
>
Not sure about stock cases, you probably have to go with an aftermarketcase
such as Strange etc.

>>How about the carrier?
>
>OK
>
>> Has it been slipping? If so its time to rebuild or replace.
>
>Yes it has been slipping.  Just the past drag season
>
>If it has been slipping (the carrier, not the tranny) then its not exactly
ok. The clutches (friction discs) are worn or the preload springs are weak.
>>
Let me know,
Randy,

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:51:34 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: moving

Middlesboro

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: moving


>Ed Binnix wrote:
>>
>> Well, so long everybody. I'm moving this weekend. Packing up the computer
>> tonight. I'll be back after I get another e-mail account in Kentucky.
>
>Probably missed ya, Ed, but where in Ky are you moving to?  I'm just
>south of Lexington, Ky.
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:54:40 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 68 sport wheel...FYI

FYI

Grant has a couple of wooden steering wheels,  including a classic
style.  I believe a Olds emblem horn button is also available for it.

Just my $.02.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:25:17 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shock absorbers

Sorry Greg,

I am not a english teacher, but....
**************************************************
...  Now the cutlass doesn't "porpus" up and down when going over bridge
expansion joints.

**************************************************
try "porpoise", as in like a dolphin...

http://www.wec.ufl.edu/extension/symbols/porpoise.htm

Just $.02,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:36:14 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Last Call -OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20

The FOllowing people all stated at one time or another that they were going to
the Lansing OCA Homecomming this Saturday.

I plan on being at Mark Cornea's Decal both at 12:00(Look for white tent with
70 W-30).  I hope to meet the rest of you then too.

johnmonnin@aol.com (John Monnin)
dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu (David Brown)
mcornea@ford.com (Mark Cornea (R))
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu (Chris Brown Witt)
mrhell@sprynet.com (RC Hellebuyck)
harkema2@pilot.msu.edu (Douglas J Harkema)


 In a message dated 98-06-17 16:57:37 EDT, you write:

 I plan on going to the Olds Homcomming in Lansing Saturday June 20th.
 I thought that a good place to meet up with Other members of the list would
be
 at
 Mark Cornea's Restoration Decal booth at 12:00.  He will have the White tent
 with the 70 W30 by it.

 I think that this would make a good meeting point.  We could all catch lunch
 together or make plans then to meet for dinner at the Blue Coyotte.

 Who wants to meet me there?

 Below is a Copy of Mark Cornea's Saturday travel plans

 FYI, I will be setup with all of my restoration decals, look for the
 white tent with the '70 W30 by it. Please stop on by!
 		There will be a number of us that will caravan from Novi, MI. 
We will
 be meeting at the Meijer parking lot at I-275 and 8 Mile Rd at 7:00am
 and arriving in Lansing approximately 8:45am. See ya there!

        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course) >>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:41:08 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Shock absorbers

In a message dated 98-06-19 04:27:00 EDT, you write:

<<  I am not a english teacher, but....
 **************************************************
 ...  Now the cutlass doesn't "porpus" up and down when going over bridge
 expansion joints.  try "porpoise", as in like a dolphin... >>

PLEASE don't start critisizing spellin.  My typing is horrable eneogh that
people on this list probably assume english is a Second Language for this
Indiana boy.  I have always said that poor spelling is a sign of a good
engineer because the English language is not logical.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:46:19 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Lots 'O' Parts For Sale

Where are you located?  I might need some stuff for my 67...

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
>
> ok here we go..........
>
> parting out a 65 cutlass convertible:
> many good usable parts including black bucket seats. if you need a part of a
> 65, ask me if its on this car.
>
> parting out 67 cutlass supreme:
> solid body
> missing some parts
> 14x6 ss1's
>
> parting out 70 442:
> rebuilt 455, never fired
> m-21 4-speed
> frount and rear bumpers
> good sheet metal
> consle shifter (auto)
>
> parting out 71 442:
> many good parts
> louvered hood
> grills
> cutout bumper
>
> if you need a part not listed or that might be on one of the cars............
> email me PRIVATELY. ill let you know if i have it and then about the price 
and
> shipping. prices will be reasonable cause i want to get rid of most of this
> stuff. THANKS and remember EMAIL ME PRIVATELY!!!!!!!
>
> Brent (Cnvrt67@aol.com)
> 1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:16:54 -0500
From: "Kijowski, Stan" <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
Subject: condenser supports

does anyone have a source for the rubber isolator/supports for the A/C
condenser for a 72 cutlass supreme conv.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:44:43 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket talk

What's the web address


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	super442@mindspring.com[SMTP:super442@mindspring.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, June 18, 1998 8:05 PM
> To: 	All
> Subject: 	Rocket talk
>
> To all,
>          Does anyone on this ring ever go to "Rocket talk" on Charley
> "Olds
> magnet" Buehner's  page?
> John
> mailto:super442@mindspring.com
> John McJunkin
> 1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73  http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
> 1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:54:01 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

In a message dated 98-06-18 08:46:38 EDT, you write:

<<  <<  Can anyone tell me whether I have a 350 or 455 by the vin number?
 >  It is  #3N67K5M301977. The car is a 1975 Delta 88 Conv.
 >  TIA  Bruce  >>
 >
 > Bruce,
 >
 > You cannot tell very much about the block by the VIN. I would guess that it
is
 > a 455 though. Easy way to tell is to measure across the intake manifold.

 Sure you can, if you just know the VIN codes for that year. You have the
 K motor, this is a 180hp 350, single exhaust.
  >>
Can anyone decipher my vin code. Sure would appreciate it.
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:04:20 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Surge Tank/Vent

In a message dated 98-06-18 10:30:44 EDT, you write:

<<  This thing's been driving me nuts...I can't fill the tank all the way (to
avoid
 leaking) and with the new 455 in there it seems like I'm at the gas station
almost every
 day! >>
You should get that fixed as soon as possible. I should leave this question to
the engineers on the list, but I believe it's most economical to keep your
tank full. I've heard you can lose more mileage to evaporation(if the tank is
half full of gas-other half would be air) than to usage. True?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:17:50 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Blower motors

>I have a 1972 Olds 442 Convt. that had factory A/C. I pulled the unit out
>and I have the hole where the evaporator was before on the firewall. I want
>to install a blower motor so I can have heat and also so that the hole
>would be covered up. What must I buy and from whom to fix this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>Peter

Peter,  I have '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible and it had factory A/C.  I
soon realized that to make the complete change over to non A/C meant having
a big hole in the firewall, plus changing the vent box etc. under the dash
and the air intake on the passenger kick panel.  So I went to a junk yard
got an evaporator off another Cutlass A/C and then cut it down so that only
3 1/4" was sticking out into the engine compartment.  Then I took a sheet
of fiberglass, cut it to fit the odd shaped hole and then fiberglassed that
into place.  Lastly I cut an access panel hole so that I could easily get
at the heat control box if I had to.  I covered the access hole with
another piece of fiberglass and screwed it in place with hex head sheet
metal screws.  I painted the whole thing semi-gloss black.  This way you
can use the original blower motor set up.  I realize that for those who are
doing detailed restorations this would not be an option, but I'm into
creative customizing and it works for me.  If you want more details drop me
an e-mail.

jp

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:17:37 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket talk

i go there alot (nobody is there)

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:22:54 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

Now i want to increase the stopping power of the rear.


   The easiest swap to upgrade the back brakes on a 64-72 A-body is to use
   the 11" drums from a 73-77 A-body.  Just be sure to measure the parts in
   the wrecking yard, as the 73-77 cars came with both 9 1/2" and 11"
   drums.  Get the backing plate, hardware, and drums.  This is pretty much
   a bolt-on operation.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:25:39 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

Get the September issue (yes, September '98 issue in June '98) of MCR.
They have an article on how upgrade GM rear brakes with factory parts.

    The only problem with that article is that they are simply swapping the
    OEM cast iron drum for a later model aluminum composite drum to save
    weight.  The brake shoes are still 9" x 2"  (OK, so they suggested the
    larger diameter wheel cylinder).  Get the 11" drums off the 73-77 cars
    _and_ use the larger wheel cylinder.

    Joe Padavano
    padavano.joe@orbital.com

    66 442
    68 W-30
    69 H/O
    70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:32:55 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: directional tires (was: dumb/dumber question)

In a message dated 98-06-18 14:23:57 EDT, you write:

<< They work almoust like a fishing hook
 and that is why they work only in one direction. This means you cant
 switch tires from left to right on the vehicle ( >>

I beleive you are correct. I had a '49 MG that had the same setup, The tires
had arrows on them to depict the direction they were to be mounted. The tread
was designed to ride in that direction only.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:31:57 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

Does anyone have the brakes article from the 1980 Hot Rod/Car Craft?  It
was a 5 part series.  Excellent for adding rear disc to most any car.
If someone has it I would gladly pay for a copy of that article.

Probably worth putting on the web if possible.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Heinrich [mailto:old442@erols.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 6:53 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?


AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:
>
> I just put 12 inch rotors on my 72. Used the hotchkis control arms. Now i
want
> to increase the stopping power of the rear. I heard a rumor that S10 blazer
> rear wheel cylinders might work.

Get the September issue (yes, September '98 issue in June '98) of MCR.
They have an article on how upgrade GM rear brakes with factory parts.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:35:45 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Rear Cyclops light out.

I can tell you the retrofit 3rd brake light kit was around $60 in 1985,
and you had to run a separate switch on the brake pedal, and a relay
mounted in the trunk.  If the bulb is good, check for the click of the
relay (if Olds wired it that way on the production versions) and then
check the switch.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Herrick [mailto:mherrick@tir.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:05 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Rear Cyclops light out.


Hello,
	I own a 1988 rear wheel drive Olds Cutlass Classic and my
rear cyclops brake light is out. Does any one know how to chang either
the fuse or bulb on these things. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
	Matt

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:44:20 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Radial T/As

I  have the Michelin XCH4, 205 75 14, and they are great in the rain,
even at 60 mph in worn down by semi's roads I can do pretty well.  My 91
Bonneville, well, lets say keep it to 45 mph in the rain, it sucks!!
WWD, Wrong Wheel Drive.....(no offense to the Toro Owners!)

The XCH4 are great in rain and snow, but on dry pavement they are
lackluster.  Easy to hit traction limit.  I can get all 4 tires to
squeal quite easily in a moderate turn.  My 91 Bonneville does much
better.  I have the 1.25 in front bar and a 7/8in rear bar.  Handles
fairly flat, but needs more rear bar.


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock [mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 8:50 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Radial T/As


Yes, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  I've never had a
hydroplaning
experience, so I couldn't judge the tires in the rain at speed, but the
rain
might as well be ice if you jump on it (even with my 2.29 axle) in a
corner.
Just be careful, that's all (as you should be in the rain, anyway).

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com <Padavano.Joe@orbital.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Radial T/As

>   off the line and I find that if I'm not careful with the application of
>   power on turns at intersections the back end will easily come around in
>   the wet.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:47:59 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

I stumbld across a 68-69 (not up on those years!  Sorry!) 442
convertible for sale near me, it is off the beaten path, but a fine
looking car from where I have seen it.

If anyone is seriously looking, let me know privately.

The car is located on Harvard, Ill.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:51:56 -0700
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 1968 98 Conv question.

I received this questions from my web-page. Does anyone have the production
numbers for the 1968 98 Conv. and total production?


"I want to find out how many 1968 Olds 98 Converts were made." 
 
"We would like to know where our Rag Top is in relation to the total number
manufactured in 68."

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:23:48 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

Thomas Martin wrote:

> I stumbld across a 68-69 (not up on those years!  Sorry!) 442
> convertible for sale near me, it is off the beaten path, but a fine
> looking car from where I have seen it.
>
> If anyone is seriously looking, let me know privately.
>
> The car is located on Harvard, Ill.

Dang! Illinois!  Why can't there be something like this in
California?!?!?!?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:28:14 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Blower motors

Speaking of blower motors, Yesterday I was using the A/C on Frosty and
I wondered to
myself if the blower was working at full efficiency.  My friend has a 1995
Chubby Truck
and at full intensity his vehicle blows air much better than Frosty.  The
question I have
is: Were the original factory blowers strong back in '68 as compared to today's
models?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:30:18 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

Think of the nice drive........

Hmmm, Maybe I can test drive it from here to you, see if you
like........

Tom

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) [mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 9:24 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale


Thomas Martin wrote:

> I stumbld across a 68-69 (not up on those years!  Sorry!) 442
> convertible for sale near me, it is off the beaten path, but a fine
> looking car from where I have seen it.
>
> If anyone is seriously looking, let me know privately.
>
> The car is located on Harvard, Ill.

Dang! Illinois!  Why can't there be something like this in
California?!?!?!?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:32:50 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Blower motors

Or is it the Voltage Regulators keeping a higher voltage, therefore the
blower will run faster.  My 80 Turbo T/A runs at 14.5 volts and my 85
Cutlass runs at 14.3.  I have not check my 91 Bonneville.  What voltage
do you measure at the blower?

Plus they probably have better ductwork so that the airflow is not lost.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) [mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 9:28 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Blower motors


Speaking of blower motors, Yesterday I was using the A/C on Frosty and
I wondered to
myself if the blower was working at full efficiency.  My friend has a
1995
Chubby Truck
and at full intensity his vehicle blows air much better than Frosty.
The
question I have
is: Were the original factory blowers strong back in '68 as compared to
today's
models?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:45:42 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Blower motors

Thomas Martin wrote:

> Or is it the Voltage Regulators keeping a higher voltage, therefore the
> blower will run faster.  My 80 Turbo T/A runs at 14.5 volts and my 85
> Cutlass runs at 14.3.  I have not check my 91 Bonneville.  What voltage
> do you measure at the blower?

Gosh, Tom I don't know.  Don't even have the tools to check this.

It is interesting that you, like me, are in a constant check mode for Olds
e-mail! :-)  It is good to have such a quick response.  We are not
obsessive
now, are we?!?!? :-) Yup!

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:51:55 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: '68 scoop size

Due to the fact that the difference between '68 and '69 ram air scoops
has come up a more than once recently I went out last night and measured
a set of '68s. The actual opening of the scoop is 14"x2" (at least it's
2" at the ends - not so much any more in the middle :->) and at the
deepest (to the back of the part that hooks to the hose) 7 and a half
inches. I don't have a set of '69s to measure, but I'm certain that
someone on the list does. I figure that this info would make a good
addition to the FAQ.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:04:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

>Thomas Martin wrote:
>
>> I stumbld across a 68-69 (not up on those years!  Sorry!) 442
>> convertible for sale <snipped>

Chris Sparks said:
>
>Dang! Illinois!  Why can't there be something like this in
>California?!?!?!?
>
Chris,

Buy a cheap plane ticket. You need a convertible to go with your '68 
collection.

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:32:59 -0700
From: "Elizabeth Katryn Burton" <aunt_bess@mailexcite.com>
Subject: Resolving terminology

If the plural of "Cutlass" is "Cutli", then doesn't that make _us_ Cutlads and
Cutlassies? ;-}



Lisa

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:12:10 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Posi Help

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454

- ----------
> From: Randy A. Geisel <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Posi Help
> Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 5:37 AM
>
>
> Maybe I'm not fully understanding what you are describing. The case where
> the pinion comes through is worn (ballooned). Yes? If that is so, then
the
> only way that should be able to happen is if the pinion is not staying
> centered, (worn bearing, loose retaining nut) and rubbing the case. Does
the
> pinion shaft have a ring or groove worn in it a few inches from the end
of
> the shaft where it comes out of the case?
I don't have the unit apart.  All my observation has been from external
viewing with just the cover off.


>
> You have two pinion bearings, front and rear. They look like wheel
bearings
> (tapered roller). If I remember correctly the rear one is pressed onto
the
> pinion shaft after you install the shims, if needed.
> So it should have come out with the pinion. Look in the case, front and
> back, and you should see the inner race (cup) still in there. They are
put
> in just as if you were replacing the bearing set on wheel drums.
>
> >Another question.   Is there a hardened case available??
> >
> Not sure about stock cases, you probably have to go with an
aftermarketcase
> such as Strange etc.
>
> >>How about the carrier?
> >
> >OK
> >
> >> Has it been slipping? If so its time to rebuild or replace.
> >
> >Yes it has been slipping.  Just the past drag season
> >
> >If it has been slipping (the carrier, not the tranny) then its not
exactly
> ok. The clutches (friction discs) are worn or the preload springs are
weak.
> >>
> Let me know,
> Randy,
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:08:39 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lots 'O' Parts For Sale

for got to say that im located in the cleveland, ohio area. thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:19:06 -0700
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20

David,
You can go ahead and add me to that list.  I will be driving the red 69
Cutlass (a.k.a. Reb Thunder) found on my home page.  Any questions or
comments...email me at cutlass@mill.tds.net. Thanks.

Gib.

>WHERE: In Lansing, MI, at the (ex)Administration Building, 920 Townsend.
Exit 6
>off I-496. Restated for those joining in late.
>

>Let's see, so far these list members will be there:
>Mark Cornea <drdecal442@aol.com>
>RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
>Doug Harkema <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
>John Monnin <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
>Chris Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:26:08 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Cyclops light out.

> I own a 1988 rear wheel drive Olds Cutlass Classic and my
> rear cyclops brake light is out. Does any one know how to chang either
> the fuse or bulb on these things. Any help would be appreciated.

Forget the fuse; it's almost certainly the bulb. I think it's a #1156
but the owner's manual will say for sure.

1) Remove the two mounting screws on either side of the lamp pedestal.

2) Ease the lamp up and unplug the wire going in the base. (Very
fiddly. I forget whether you can reach it from inside the trunk
or not. There's a little side tab you have press before the plug
will let go.)

3) Remove the two screws on the underside of the lamp body and
lift off the top. Pay attention to how the black rubber lamp
baffle, lens and reflector are seated so you can get the top back
on again.

4) Replace bulb. Wonder why GM has to make this so %#@& complicated.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:45:07 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: back on realtime...sort of

Hello all,
I have subscribed to the realtime version at work for a temporary period
of time.  I still get the digest sent to my account at home.  I feel
like I'm in tune to the world again, especially since I'm WAY behind in
my digests.

See my next posting about my W-31 to see what I've been up to.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:44:27 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

In a message dated 98-06-19 09:30:41 EDT, you write:

<< .  Get the 11" drums off the 73-77 cars
     _and_ use the larger wheel cylinder >>
Which wheel cylinder do you use from what car? Does anyone know what the
actual size is. Tom why not just go for the 13'' 71-76 b-body? All i really
need from the junk yard is the backing plate. Im sure i can get the drums new.
Any idea about this S10 cyliner idea.I just took a look at a JC whit catalog
the biggest they list is 11'' with 3 or 41/2 deep drums 71-94 electra. Thanks
for the help.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:58:20 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: condenser supports

stan,  are you still looking for radiator top plate for a 4 core, and the
heater core houseing?   steven,   w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:59:06 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: W-31 update

Hi all,
Well, the past month I've been doing some work, for a change, on my
W-31.  For those of you who don't remember me or are new, here is a
little history.  July 96 I purchased a 1969 Cutlass S W-31.  It is all
original and has seen its share of Chicago winters.  It's blue in and
out with buckets, console, gauges, auto, 3:91 posi.  For more
information check out http://www.abcs.com/chris/69w31.com.htm

Since I plan on attending the Nationals in Springfield, IL next month
and since I want to drive my car somewhere for the first time (I missed
out driving it to Lansing :(  but still had a great time) and since the
original motor burns some serious oil, I have been in the process of
swapping in a 455 to make the car driveable.  Hopefully, tomorrow the
actual swap will take place.  I still need a few items like starter and
possibly water pump, but this won't stop me from making the swap, I'll
just pick those parts up next week.  I plan on rebuilding the original
motor this winter or spring.

Nationals info:  Are there any list gathering plans?  I'm staying at the
Days Inn and am car #372 in class 13, the performance class.  Now I just
need to get the car there :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:05:22 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 98 Conv question.

>I received this questions from my web-page. Does anyone have the production
> numbers for the 1968 98 Conv. and total production?
>
>"I want to find out how many 1968 Olds 98 Converts were made."

> Bobby


"Standard Catalog of American Cars" lists 3942 1968 Ninety-Eight
convertibles made: this is out of 91747 total Ninety-Eights.  "Oldsmobile:
The Postwar Years" confirms the 91747 figure, but doesn't list convertible
output separately.

*Sigh*.  Where are they all now??

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 convertible
66 Toronado
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:09:57 -0500
From: "Kijowski, Stan" <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
Subject: RE: condenser supports

yup. as a matter of fact, i ordered a new 4 core rad the other day.  i will
need a 4 core upper rad support (3.6 " wide on both ends)  and   a heavy
duty 3 core upper rad support (3.6" wide/passenger side and 2.9" wide on
driver's side).   i won't need the heater core housing because i took it off
and fiberglassed it. doesn't look too bad.

> ----------
> From: 	W30442CS@aol.com[SMTP:W30442CS@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Friday, June 19, 1998 11:58 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: condenser supports
>
> stan,  are you still looking for radiator top plate for a 4 core, and the
> heater core houseing?   steven,   w30442cs@aol.com
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:15:40 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: umm...T/A what?

> Pardon my ignorance, but what is a T/A tire? Is it a BFG trade
> name, or a type of tire?

Actually it's a whole line of tires now. Check out

http://www.tiresplus.com/info/mfg/bfg/bfgtires.htm

for a good, if lengthy, summary of the line, with some good
illustrations. The "classic" T/A appears about three-quarters
of the way down the page.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:23:31 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

. Tom why not just go for the 13'' 71-76 b-body? All i really
>need from the junk yard is the backing plate. Im sure i can get the drums new.
>Any idea about this S10 cyliner idea.I just took a look at a JC whit catalog
>the biggest they list is 11'' with 3 or 41/2 deep drums 71-94 electra. Thanks
>for the help.

Are the drums for the B-body or the electra the right bolt pattern?  I don't
think they are.  (We're talking about swapping bigger brakes on a `72
a-body, right?)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:18:21 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 87 Toro

A know a guy near to me parting a 87 toro I thought I would post his ad and
see if anyone is in need of anything.
He will sell the car complete if someone is looking for the whole car.

1987 Toronado
171,000 miles and still runnin'
Power bucket - not torn
Power window
Power locks
front bumper  Very good	(VG)
front wheel well chrome VG	
Drivers side door	VG
Mirrors	Sport
Deck lid	     VG
Taillights VG	
4 speed auto	
tape deck in console	
interior blue	
leather wheel	
Centre caps.  wire wheels style	

$600 for the whole thing or willing to part it
You can E me if you perfer and i can speak with him or you can call him
yourself at 1-905-328-3269

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:15:46 -0700
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 1968 98 Conv question.

Thanks Graham

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Graham Stewart [SMTP:graham.stewart@utoronto.ca]
	Sent:	Friday, June 19, 1998 1:05 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: 1968 98 Conv question.


	>I received this questions from my web-page. Does anyone have the
production
	> numbers for the 1968 98 Conv. and total production?
	>
	>"I want to find out how many 1968 Olds 98 Converts were made."

	> Bobby


	"Standard Catalog of American Cars" lists 3942 1968 Ninety-Eight
	convertibles made: this is out of 91747 total Ninety-Eights.
"Oldsmobile:
	The Postwar Years" confirms the 91747 figure, but doesn't list
convertible
	output separately.

	*Sigh*.  Where are they all now??

	Graham Stewart
	Toronto, Canada
	graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

	74 Ninety-Eight
	69 Delta 88 convertible
	66 Toronado
	67 Bu*ck Wildcat
	

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:26:09 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

Smetana, Christopher wrote:

> information check out http://www.abcs.com/chris/69w31.com.htm

> --snipped--

> original motor burns some serious oil, I have been in the process of
> swapping in a 455 to make the car driveable.  Hopefully, tomorrow the

> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

 I checked out the car and was wondering why you chose to restore the
69w31?Why not restore the 69 442?  Since you are going to swap out the 350
for a 455, then
why go to the trouble of dealing with all that rust?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:45:19 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-31 update

Well Chris, how many 69 W-31s have you ever seen?  Not to mention one
with the original drivetrain.  The 4-4-2 was running several years ago
and it has been in an accident or two at some point in it's life.  Also
the 4-4-2 has already had the rear hinge panel cut out, where the deck
lid bolts to.  And a previous owner drag raced it, since there is a
ladder bar mount welded to the frame along with a torque strap bolted to
the frame.  For some bizarre reason it also has a frame mounted trailer
hitch welded to the frame.  Oh, almost forgot, I bought the car as a
rolling shell too, with a 12 bolt open Chevy rear end under it.  The
rear is already spoken for.  So as you can see/read the 4-4-2 is FAR
from complete unlike my W-31 and besides I've never seen another 69 W-31
in person (read about a couple though).  And yes there is a lot of rust
I'm gonna have to deal with, but the car is rare and I like having
something a little bit different.  But I'll get a 4-4-2 someday, and
when I do I'll drive it home.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:49:11 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

> I checked out the car and was wondering why you chose to restore the
>69w31?Why not restore the 69 442?  Since you are going to swap out the
350
>for a 455, then
>why go to the trouble of dealing with all that rust?
>
>--
>Chris Sparks

Mr Sparks,

I find this statement somewhat odd coming from you. You own 3 '68 cars,
thought by many to be hideous (Not by me mind you, I actually have one)
and again you drive a two door post; usually less desirable (again me
too). 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' holds true in so many
unbelievable ways for car enthusiasts! The same car that one individual
wouldn't take for free another might kill for.

That aside:

They made less than 1000 69 w-31 cars and thousands of 442s. The w-31
makes much more of an individualistic statement than a 442. On top of
that, the w-31 is probably faster in a 1/4 mile than your run of the
mill 442.

I also belive the original e-mail said that the 455 was only temporary.

Just my .02

Brent Pinkstaff

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:52:06 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: a-body water pumps

I know this has been gone over MANY times but I'm not sure if the heavy
duty cooling option was discussed.  If I have a car without A/C, but
with heavy duty cooling, which water pump would I use?  The a/c version
or non a/c version?  I believe it's the a/c version and I have an a/c
version water pump, but I don't want to go to the parts store, get a non
a/c pump and realize I didn't have to.  Nor do I want to install the a/c
water pump and realize I need the non a/c pump.  Someone please help set
me straight.  Thanks.  Also please copy me at csmetana@dowagro.com when
you reply.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:00:45 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

Bruce: Your vin # is interpreted as follows---------

3=Oldsmobile
N=Delta 88 Royale
67=Convertible
K=350 cid V8 4bbl L34
5=1975
M=Lansing
301977= sequence # that is the number of cars of your model built in
Lansing starting with # 100001

Hope this helps you.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
vin # 3N67K5M285740

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:09:36 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

In a message dated 98-06-19 10:27:50 EDT, you write:

<< Dang! Illinois!  Why can't there be something like this in
 California?!?!?!? >>

Or New Jersey?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:15:56 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Cyclops light out.

In a message dated 98-06-18 22:26:20 EDT, you write:

<< Hello,
 	I own a 1988 rear wheel drive Olds Cutlass Classic and my
 rear cyclops brake light is out. Does any one know how to chang either
 the fuse or bulb on these things. Any help would be appreciated.

 Thanks,
 	Matt >>

Yeah, my Caddy's 3rd light is out too.  I imagine that it is basically the
same procedure to fix it, so help me too.

Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://members.aol.com/jcrash7

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:20:18 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

Just a point of reference ....

How do you know if the engine in the 69
is a W-31 ...

I just rebuilt one ... and maybe I should
have checked.

K. Swick

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:17:43 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale

I know of a 68 442 hardtop for sale in Indianapolis, but the guys asking
$13K for a $8K car, at least that's what Dave Wyatt, myself and a
coworker with a 72 Supreme convert. would guesstimate it's worth.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	JonKrisInc@aol.com[SMTP:JonKrisInc@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Friday, June 19, 1998 1:09 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: 68-69 442 Convertible for sale
>
>In a message dated 98-06-19 10:27:50 EDT, you write:
>
><< Dang! Illinois!  Why can't there be something like this in
> California?!?!?!? >>
>
>Or New Jersey?
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:24:57 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-31 update

Well, the most obvious visual difference would be the harmonic balancer.
 On a W-31 it is about 1 inch think as compared to a non W-31 350 which
is about 1/2 inch thick.  Also, the heads have the valves of the 455 in
them, which when looking at the valves in the head off the engine, would
leave no gap between the intake and exhaust valve.  A normal 350 head
would have a noticeable gap between the valves.  Also there are under
bumper scoops and ram air hoses and a dual snorkel air cleaner all like
the W-30.  You also wouldn't have power brakes, since the W-31 cam
doesn't create enough vacuum.  The carb is also different, the W-31 is
q-jet # 7029255

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Ken Swick[SMTP:swickka@mail.cvn.net]
>Sent: 	Friday, June 19, 1998 1:20 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: W-31 update
>
>Just a point of reference ....
>
>How do you know if the engine in the 69
>is a W-31 ...
>
>I just rebuilt one ... and maybe I should
>have checked.
>
>K. Swick
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:24:08 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

I will have to look up my 76 Service manual, there was an optional brake
system on the 76 Wagon, the Custom Cruiser Wagon.  The 455 was the only
engine available, and the 88/98/Custom Cruiser could tow 7000 lbs, I
would say big brakes are a necessity.  I thought the 11 in was standard
brakes and 12 or 13 was optional.  Consider it did have to fit 15in
rims, and that diameter is an inside drum diameter.

It is possible I remember it wrong, it has been some time.

Tom

- -----Original Message-----
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com [mailto:AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 11:44 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?


In a message dated 98-06-19 09:30:41 EDT, you write:

<< .  Get the 11" drums off the 73-77 cars
     _and_ use the larger wheel cylinder >>
Which wheel cylinder do you use from what car? Does anyone know what the
actual size is. Tom why not just go for the 13'' 71-76 b-body? All i
really
need from the junk yard is the backing plate. Im sure i can get the
drums new.
Any idea about this S10 cyliner idea.I just took a look at a JC whit
catalog
the biggest they list is 11'' with 3 or 41/2 deep drums 71-94 electra.
Thanks
for the help.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:24:55 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> Mr Sparks,

Uh oh.  I am in trouble now.  I am being called the "M" word.  Pretty
soona "Sir" here and there might pop up! :-)

> I find this statement somewhat odd coming from you. You own 3 '68 cars,
> thought by many to be hideous (Not by me mind you, I actually have one)

Gosh I never thought of the 68 as being hideous.  Maybe an F*rd Edsel,
butnever a 68 442!  :-)  The reason why I made the "odd" statement is that
Chris
Smetana was going to use the 69 442 as sheet metal replacement for his
69 W31.  I thought that was kind of odd since 442s are too "collectible"
for
parts replacement except for other 442s (my opinion).  However upon
receipt
of an e-mail from him it is better that he uses the 442 as parts for his
W31!

Since I live in So. California, any car with that kind of rust is
typically
junked (please no flames).  Actually I have a 68 442 that looks like
Chris Smetana's 69, namely Saffron.  I guess it could be considered
restorable,
however, when I see huge rust holes I think "forgone".   I am only going
to
use Saffron as a parts car.  After spending as much money I did to fix my
beloved Frosty's rear quarter panel, cutting panels and reweld is a major
undertaking.

> and again you drive a two door post; usually less desirable (again me
> too). 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' holds true in so many
> unbelievable ways for car enthusiasts! The same car that one individual
> wouldn't take for free another might kill for.

That is true.

> They made less than 1000 69 w-31 cars and thousands of 442s. The w-31
> makes much more of an individualistic statement than a 442. On top of

That is cool that they are rare.  Like my sports coupe.  As to whether
itmake a much more of an individualistic statement I don't see it.  Heck
Cutlasses, W31, 442 all look alike.  Only the H/O of that year made a
 statement since you could visually see the hood nostrils (sorry I don't
know
the proper name for these things).

> that, the w-31 is probably faster in a 1/4 mile than your run of the
> mill 442.

I have to disagree with you here since we are comparing apples and
oranges.If we were to have two cars equally optioned, except for the
engine and tranny,
I would think that the 442 would beat out the W31.  It has more HP,
torque,
just my $0.02.

> I also belive the original e-mail said that the 455 was only temporary.

I have no problem with a 455 going into a W31 or a 442.

> Just my .02

If we took my $0.02 and deduct your $0.02 we would have $0.00 ("Non"e
sense).
I know a bad pun....... :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:27:15 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?

Those big cars are all 5 X 5 pattern.  The 5 X 4.75 was for smaller
cars.  (Cutlass and smaller, and 77 up B Car)

- -----Original Message-----
From: grpruett@vt.edu [mailto:grpruett@vt.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 1:24 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Increase rear brake pres,S10 wheel cyl,remove proportion?


. Tom why not just go for the 13'' 71-76 b-body? All i really
>need from the junk yard is the backing plate. Im sure i can get the drums
new.
>Any idea about this S10 cyliner idea.I just took a look at a JC whit catalog
>the biggest they list is 11'' with 3 or 41/2 deep drums 71-94 electra. Thanks
>for the help.

Are the drums for the B-body or the electra the right bolt pattern?  I
don't
think they are.  (We're talking about swapping bigger brakes on a `72
a-body, right?)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:29:52 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

My car is non air, has heavy duty cooling and it uses the water pump with the
larger sized inlet.  The outlet on the radiator is also the larger size.  It
is a 70 and your 69 may differ.  Make sure the radiator outlet and water pump
inlet are compatable, otherwise you end up with a hose problem.  Been there,
done that.

For the rest of you on the list, especialy Mr. Sparks who live where you can
still find rust free cars.
I have been under Chris's W-31 and it looks worse in the pictures than it
actually is.  It does have the usual midwest quarter panel rust and needs a
rear bumper, but I have seen worse cars restored.   When you get to inspecting
the car in person you can look past the dirt and mess and see the diamond in
the rough.  Yes the interior is shot, but most of us would replace it even if
it was in better shape.  In fact the whole project amounts to the replacing of
parts and pieces that would normaly be replaced even if the car was in better
shape to start with.  So why worry about finding a better condition when you
are going to do the same work?  If he had one that was in so much better shape
that nothing would need replaced, he would not have to restore it.  Not to
mention paying big bucks for it.

Getting off of my soapbox,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

P.S.
Going to uns*b for a few days and take a much needed vacation.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:30:22 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 350 or 455?

According to the VIN guide basing off 1976 info, as this book only goes
back to 1976 (GM Publication WA-6, Oct 91) this is 100% correct.  Engine
code K seems to have been redesigned in 1976 as "R", the L34.

The 455 in 76 was "S" or "T" ("T" in the Toro?)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mahahn@fuse.net]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 1:01 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?


Bruce: Your vin # is interpreted as follows---------

3=Oldsmobile
N=Delta 88 Royale
67=Convertible
K=350 cid V8 4bbl L34
5=1975
M=Lansing
301977= sequence # that is the number of cars of your model built in
Lansing starting with # 100001

Hope this helps you.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
vin # 3N67K5M285740

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:17 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: available olds

to list: these are not my cars. Just passing some info along.


 Oldsmobile Holiday HT 1950 & 1951 parts car. Needs restoration. The 2
will make 1. $3500/obo.
  Also 70 parts cars from 1950s& 1960s. Call Bill
 Phone: (812) 623-4480
============================================================
Oldsmobile Cutlass Convert 1969. Original owner, new top 1998, engine
good, body needs work.
 Appraisedan $2600. Phone: (513)522-0153

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:12:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming & Ashley Jones

Further to the request earlier this week to mention non-delivery of
goods by this varmint if he's encountered at the homecoming show... my
bank has confirmed the money order was cashed May 14. I have a
photocopy containing his signature. The noose tightens...

Anyway, I intend to try and call him again tonight -- fully expect to
get his answering machine again. If any of you see him this weekend,
tell him he's about a week away from getting his reputation shredded
here.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:37:35 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 70-72 Sport wheel/horn button question

last year while in lansing, i was checking out all the car and noticed that
the 70-72 cars with sport steering wheels were diffrent in this way.........
on some cars, the horn button matched the interior. an example is say a car
with blue interior might have a blue horn button. but i also saw a blue
car......same year, with a black horn button. so what's the deal with this????
should it match the interior or be black?? my dad is currently putting a sport
wheel on his 72 cutlass supreme convertible and ahs a black horn button and a
tan horn button to match his interior(saddle). so which is the correct button
to put on???? i've always been curious about this.
Help is appreciated.

Thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:42:37 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: W-31 update

well, i dont see many 69 w-31s here in okla., or come to think of it 70 models
either.        i always wanted a 70 w-30, and still do!   but i always like
being different from the crowd. thats why i choose olds. got out of ch*vys
years ago, everyone had one, (camaros,chevelles,ect.).  i have a 70 w-31,
really like it a lot!  i like the 69`s also, though i do wish they had come
out with the alluminum intake for them in 69.   i think 69`s were lower in
production than the 70`s.  anyways good luck with the w-31!           steven,
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:44:23 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

Thomas:

In 1975 the 455 L74 engine was designated "T"

The 1975 Toro 455 L78 engine was designated "W"


Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:44:29 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: W-31 update

What is the cam specs on the W31, W34, and W30?

I though I saw them years ago and the W31 cam seemed to be a little
healthier than the W30.

Are there any regrinds of those cams that are revised for today?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: W30442CS@aol.com [mailto:W30442CS@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 1998 1:43 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: W-31 update


well, i dont see many 69 w-31s here in okla., or come to think of it 70
models
either.        i always wanted a 70 w-30, and still do!   but i always
like
being different from the crowd. thats why i choose olds. got out of
ch*vys
years ago, everyone had one, (camaros,chevelles,ect.).  i have a 70
w-31,
really like it a lot!  i like the 69`s also, though i do wish they had
come
out with the alluminum intake for them in 69.   i think 69`s were lower
in
production than the 70`s.  anyways good luck with the w-31!
steven,
w30442cs@aol.com

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