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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, July 14 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1366



Re: Split the list.
73 Olds Omega
Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...
re: split the list
Re: Split the list.
Re: Split the list.
Re: Screen Saver completed
Who's Who at Nats/Meeting
Re: Break in procedure
Re: list
Re: Back from road trip - more driver's ed
Re: Split the list.
catorgorizing olds list
Copper Rad vs Aluminum
59 Olds 88 rear glass
Re: Classic Olds Club
screen saver update
Iola WI
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: Modifying a 330
lowering a delta
Re: 73 Olds Omega
Re: Break in procedure
Re: 73 Olds Omega
Re: Opinions: Re 1984 Delta 88
Re: catorgorizing olds list
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Re: How many were made???
Uh,  Peg, Everybody.....(SOM Saga)
Re: screen saver update
Re: Split the list.
Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting
Flocking/console 'fuzz'
Date:	Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:13:14 -0400
Re: Wiring/ 86 Salon
Re: catorgorizing olds list
Re: Flocking/console 'fuzz'
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: Flocking/console 'fuzz'
Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting
Re: G-Body electric window adj
Re: list
Re: 1995 Cutlass (3.4 V-6)
Our very own screen saver
Re: Break in procedure
Re: Screen Saver completed
Re: G-Body electric window adj
Re: Split the list.
72 Parts for sale(442)
File Manager and members
Manager :  Change of e-mail address
Hood question
Re: Split the list.toro guys
Re: Split the list.toro guys
Re: Split the list.
Uh, 442-ster was Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting
Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)
Re: Split the list.toro guys
Inner Fenders, an answer and a question
Re: Split the list.
Parting 67 4-4-2
Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Who's Who at Nats Update
:)Ala rednecks wreck alot of GRAND AMS-OLDS content too:)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:43:20 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

If there weren't so many "me too" posts and posts that should be private
email, the list wouldn't be so unmanageable. There is WAY too much filler that
goes on this list that could be eliminated if people would just think before
they hit the send button.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:53:44 -0600
From: "William E. Wall" <wwall@ixi.net>
Subject: 73 Olds Omega

I've got a 73 Omega hatchback and am wondering how many of my particular
model were made?  350 2 brl., 350, air, tilt, buckets, white on blue.  Am
also looking for some interior parts.  Any ideas people????

					Bill Wall

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:55:49 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Clayton's Dilemma... buying a car...

6A Heads?  Document them if you can!  I have never seen them, nor found
anyone who has.  What valve size?  etc, etc....

Are they big port or small?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:01:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: re: split the list

Might I suggest to those that are having problems with mail overload...
s*bscr*be to the digest version of the list.  I am on digest... and I get
1 or 2 or on a really really busy day 3 mailings from the list in a day...
no problems whatsoever deleting messages... though it does make it a bit
more difficult to reply to a spec. message... just cut and paste though.
Not trying to go against anybody or prove anybody wrong here... would just
ask that you give it a try before condemning the current setup.

If there were to be more than one list (which I really don't think that
there should) I think that it would be much better... (rather than
dividing up into years... when all Olds V8's are at least somewhat
related) to have 2 lists... a social list and a technical list... I'm
happy as is though...

Now then... speaking of too much mail... perhaps those of you with
concerns along these lines might address your suggestions, inquiries, etc.
to Greg B. any decision made concerning this list is his to make anyways.


    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:59:27 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

If the list must be split, how about small block and big block, or A/G/X
body and B/D/E body?

Big cars and small cars, you know?

I like the list they way it is.  Works in digest for me!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:53:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Andrew Metcalfe wrote:
> I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had gone
> through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.

This may or may not be too many messages. However in any event, it should
not be a surprise. The info in the welcome message indicates this, and
clearly anyone who has been here for any length of time should know about
the volume. Why would you expect, for example, that when you go away for
a week there will be any less than several hundred messages waiting? Do
what I do when I go away -- I take myself off the list temporarily.

> Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
> subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
> present?

Let's make it clear again, the way I always do when this subject comes up
- -- which it does every year or so: anyone who wants to set up another
list to take some of the load from this one is free to do so. This was
originally set up to help me with my Cutlass, so if there is a "core" to
this list it is the '64-'72 A-bodies. But it quickly expanded to cover
all Oldsmobiles, with a particular emphasis on those of the Rocket V-8
era (1949-1990). I would miss the discussion on the full-sizers if it
disappeared. And I enjoy hearing about the older models too.

It seems to me that the volume of discussion on the G-bodies could
justify their own list, and (no disrespect intended to those cars owners)
since I seldom read many of the postings about those cars it wouldn't
bother me if they had their own list, the way the Toro guys did. But I
also agree that this list did lose something when they went their own
way.

The key point is that I barely have time to administer one list, so I
have no interest in doing it multiple times. As I say, if anyone wants to
host a G-body list, a full-sizer list, a 50's list or whatever, they are
welcome to find a home for it that supports majordomo and I'd be glad to
help them in any way I can. But I'm not about to do it.

Finally, there is a need to reduce the volume of postings, and to reduce
the size of postings by removing unnecessary quoting. The comment that
there could be 2 lists, one for Oldsmobile-specific discussion and one
for other chit-chat, indicates that there is an issue because this list
is supposed to be *only* for Oldsmobile-specific discussion. The
"all-other-chitchat" category should not be here -- that's what the
newsgroups are for. I make periodic pleas to keep things on topic, but it
seems they fall on deaf ears. The volume of posting could be reduced also
by eliminating the number of postings about the list itself, and the
ensuing lively discussion that always generates. There seems to be no end
of folks who have a better way to do things, but darn few who will
actually take action to make them reality.

Like I say, anyone who wants to do something to change things will get help
from me. I claim the core constituency ('64-'72) for this list. Others
are free to set up their own.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:11:58 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>
> Hello again all,
>
> Well, I have completed my first screen saver dedicated to all of you.
> Actually, its my first screen saver ever.  I think you will find it has
> a slight Oldsmobile theme with pics of cars and other "Oldsmobilia" that
> I found.  This one hands more toward the Cutlass/442 side of things, but

Would it be possible to port this over to Macintosh format?

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting

As of Monday 5pm:

Name            Dates           Hotel           Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince     7/17-7/18       none yet        72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea     7/17-7/18       none yet        70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith     7/14-7/19       Crowne Plaza    none
Chris Casteel   7/17            Comfort Inn     none
Brent Ardo	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	72 CS conv.
Chris Smetana	7/15-7/18	Days Inn	69 S W-31
Jim McKeague	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	70 W-31 &
						70 Rallye 350
Everett Horton	7/14-7/19	Campground	61 Starfire
Kurt & Rose	7/15-7/17	Holiday Inn	90 Trofeo
Leigh Tenenholtz7/15-7/19	Crowne Plaza	68 CS conv.
Ken Brooks	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	69 Hurst
Jeff		7/15-7/17	hotel-hopping	none
Jack Bazur	7/16-7/18			none
Dan Williams	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	68 442 conv.
Bill Reilly	7/16-7/19	Crowne Plaza	83 Cutlass Ciera
Karl Aune	7/16-7/17(18)	Red Roof Inn	Soylent Ocean Mist
Brent Fields	7/15-7/17	Comfort Suites	none
Preston Oder 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 442
Kelly Logan  	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	71 CS Conv.
Tom Williams 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 CS SX
Steve Bicker	7/17-7/20	Crowne Plaza	73 442 (modified)
Randy Ruark					none
Eric Phillips	7/17-7/18	none yet	70 Supreme

Meeting to be held at Everett Horton's swap space Friday at 6pm.

8)
peg

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:10:13 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Break in procedure

What happens with NEW cars?  Like from the factory?  Do they get any
break-in?  I have seen the old Vette factory in St. Louis, and they got
run up to highway speeds in the factory on new engines.

I have done mine the 20 min cam break-in on 30W, then change the oil to
synthetic (10W30 or 20W50 depending on the engine), and run it.  No
problems with any wear etc.  Rings sealed up beautifully.  Pulled a
trailer within 100 miles of initial start, and used no oil for 1400
miles, and without trailer I got 18 mpg.  (400, 3.08 gears)

If you question this, then as yourself why Chevy did it on the LT-5?
They come with Mobil 1 from the factory, so yes, you can break in on
synthetic.  It is just costlier.

I would still change it shortly after initial startup, then change to
synthetic, then change again after 1000 miles, then go to my usual 6
months or 12K miles on Mobil 1.

This is not meant to start a long thread on synthetic again, but it is a
comment on what the factory does.  And the LT-5 is not the only one.  GM
started using Mobil 1 when the LT-5 got bearings spun in the cold in
Tenn. in the winter when started on 5W30 petroleum.  Hint??  Good enough
for me.  The twin turbo Calloway Vette used Mobil 1 also.  I think the
LT-1 is as well.  Not sure on LS-1.  Audi does in transmissions from the
factory also.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: list

- ---TMitch1767@aol.com wrote:
>
> how do i get off this list. apparently nobody has 77 olds for witch
i need
> part`s
>
Hey Mitch,
         Don't leave!!!Yesterday I posted parts about a 77.What do you
need?Lately those cars seem to have problem finding parts than other
years ie 68-72 & 78-87.Just hang in there,we'll get what you need.
 John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:17:33 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Back from road trip - more driver's ed

Robert Barry wrote:Robert Barry wrote:

> I have to agree; being from Rhode Island, there do seem to be more idiots
> in California...
>
> <ducking>
>
> JUST KIDDING!!! But how often does someone give you an opening like that... 
;)

Quick get the rope!  :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:33:38 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

Dude!  That has got to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heared.
DAMMIT that was dumb.

Andrew wrote:

>I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages >had gone
>through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.
>Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
>subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
>present?
>Thoughts?
>_Am

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:44:50 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: catorgorizing olds list

Here's an idea that the RX-7 list uses.  There are three generations
of RX-7's and for specific postings for the separate generations,
there are brackets in front of each post with a 1,2, or 3 in them.
For postings that are for all RX-7 owners, they don't have a number in
front of them.  This could translate to the Olds list.

We could come up with some categories (full-size, pre '64, pre '68,
pre '72, etc...), then whoever doesn't want to hear from a certain
group can somehow set up a filter for it.  And posts without a
category would still go to everyone.

what's everyone think?

- -greg

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:47:49 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Copper Rad vs Aluminum

This is a copy of an old thread on the GN/TR list.  It may be useful.
The GN rad maybe nearly identical to the 78-88 Cutlass rad.  I hope this
is helpful to some.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


Tony DeQuick: Copper/Brass vs. Aluminum

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:27:37 -0800
From: Tony DeQuick
Subject: Copper/Brass vs. Aluminum

At 10:57 AM 1/1/98 -0500, you wrote:

>A few years ago (1988) I purchased a five-tube copper radiator when I
>rebuilt my engine for the first time. I bored the block .030 over
stock, and
>thought that I might have a problem with over heating, reason for the
big
>radiator. I never installed it because I never experienced any
overheating.
>Now that I have purchased a front mount from Tony I think I will put
the
>five tuber on with my engine refresh and front mount. What is the
consensus
>of copper verses aluminum?

Aluminum has a lower specific heat (Cp) than a copper tube and fin
combination but aluminum is much stronger than copper, so the tubes can
be
significantly larger. Copper tubes typically are 5/16" to 1/2" in width
while aluminum tubes are typically 7/8" to 1-1/2" in width. With an
aluminum core, the tube spacing is also less since the headers are
stronger
and less header material is needed between the tubes. What this equates
to
is more tube-to-fin contact area and less of an interruption between the
tubes since the tubes can be placed closer together. The interruption
between the tubes creates an air flow restriction without improving the
heat transfer capacity.

For example, a 2" deep high efficiency copper/brass core would typically
be
use three rows of 1/2" tubes with 1/4" spacing between the tubes. A 2"
deep
high efficiency aluminum core would use two rows of 1.0" tubes with 1/8"
spacing between the tubes which would results in a 2-1/8" deep core. The
aluminum core has a 2-1/8" core depth and 2.0" (two rows of 1.0" tubes)
of
tube-to-fin contact area which works out to a contact area of 94% . The
copper/brass core has a 2.0" core depth and 1.5" of tube-to-fin contact
(three rows of 1/2" tubes = 1.5") which works out to 75%. HQ aluminum
brazing processes typically yield a better tube-to-fin bond than a
copper/brass brazing process, which also improves the core efficiency.

For the TR, the OEM header width is 2-3/4" so the maximum core depth
possible is 2-3/4". For a five-row core to fill a 2-3/4" deep core, five
rows of 3/8" tubes must be used or 1-7/8" of total tube area (5 x 3/8" =
1-7/8"). For a four-row, four rows of 1/2" tubes could be used for 2.0"
of
total tube area (4 x 1/2" = 2.0"). A four-row actually performs better
than
a five-row.

As for using the five-row with the front mount, you can try it and see
how
it works. You will probably need a fan upgrade for it to work
effectively
in stop-and-go traffic.


Tony DeQuick --- dequickt@execpc.com
http://www.execpc.com/~dequickt

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:49:45 EDT
From: <A885678@aol.com>
Subject: 59 Olds 88 rear glass

This is a re-posting. I am in need of a rear glass (windshield) for a 1959
Olds 4 door sedan. I would like to purchase with the least amount of
difficulty. Please respond to a885678@aol.com.   Thanks,  Jim

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:52:49 EDT
From: <BigEJ@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Classic Olds Club

You write:

I have just purchased a 1948 Oldsmobile.  I am wondering if there is a
"Classic Olds Club" available to join.  How do I find out information
regarding this club.
Thank you

The name of the club you are looking for is: National Antique Oldsmobile Club.
Their address is:   Charles Degges Jr, Secretary, 11730 Moffitt Lane,
Manasas, Va. 20112-3122.

This club is dedicated to 1897 to 1964 Oldsmobiles.  They have a great little
monthly magazine called Runabouts to Rockets, and they are very nice people.

Welcome!   Olds build lots of neat cars before the 442, I hope you'll enjoy
yours as much as I do mine.

Elephant Engine Ernie  aka
Ernie Johnson

67 442
50 88

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:10:23 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: screen saver update

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know that the updated screen saver MINUS all the
damn spelling errors is now in place.  sorry for the inconvenience.
Thanks again

Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:04:54 EDT
From: <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: Iola WI

Anyone have there car at the Iola WI car show this weekend?



Mike

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:08:45 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

where is this screensaver

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:18:53 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Modifying a 330

Are you kidding?  I have a regular 67 Cutlass that orig. had a
330/2-barrel/single exhaust.  WHen the motor started to knock back in
'95 we rebuilt it with only a couple of minor modifications--had to bore
it out .030 over, took dual exhaust headers/manifolds of a 350, and was
going to get a 4bbl intake/carb, but financial constraints left the old
2barrel on there.....I love the way it runs, not super off the line, but
55-90...you better have a Corvette of something to hang with me.
(hehehe)

THere are performance cams, and all kinds of goodies out there, it
depends how far you want to go with it I guess....A nice aluminum intake
and a 4 banger is in my future once I find a damn quarter panel!
(another story for another day)

art

> Brett Wilson wrote:
>
>
>     I am looking for someone who didn't give up on the 330 and
> actually made it perform.  I like the small block idea and am looking
> for someone who has done the same.
>
>      Brett Wilson
>
>      67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:18:22 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: lowering a delta

i just put new rims and tires on my car don't orry not low profiles in back i
have 255/60/15
up front I have 225/60/15 on my 84 delta 88 royale tires look good but I think
there is to much room between the top of the tire and top of wheel well with
these tires you can easily
the frame and the entire wheel well is there a way to drop it down about 1 or
2 inches and tighten up the suspension so i don't have to slow down to about
10mph to make a corner shocks are brand new on the car

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:29:05 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Olds Omega

'73 was the first year for the omega...often confused with a Nova
anywhere from '68 on.  Olds produced 21443 of the hatchbacks in 1973.
THey were produced in either Van Nuys, or Willow Run.  Might well be the
first olds to have a spacesaver spare too!

art

William E. Wall wrote:
>
> I've got a 73 Omega hatchback and am wondering how many of my particular
> model were made?  350 2 brl., 350, air, tilt, buckets, white on blue.  Am
> also looking for some interior parts.  Any ideas people????
>
>                                         Bill Wall

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:25:16 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Break in procedure

Igor,

Here's what we do when we are going to fire up an engine for the first time.
First, make sure you've got the engine pre-lubed.  I like to see steady oil
pressure on the guage for at least 2 minutes (at first, you'll see the oil
pressure fluctuate as air gets compressed and expelled from the air bleeds and
the clearances on the bearings, etc.).
Second, install the distributor and set the timing.  For break-in, go
conservative on the setting - you want the engine to run smoothly so you can
concentrate on looking for leaks and varying engine speed, more on that later.
Third, start it up!  Try to not "race" the engine, just get it to run without
too much assistance.  Have an assistant sit in the car and slowly varying the
engine speed between 1000 and 2000 to 2500 RPM.  This is crucial due to the
fact that some components of the engine's internals get oiled only by splash
oiling (not pressure oiling like the bearings), the cylinder walls being
critical and the timing chain important (especially if you blocked the one
clean-out plug with a hole in it to help out oil pressure, racer's tip).
While they're doing this, you can look over the engine for leaks: oil, water,
and especially fuel.  Have the assistant keep an eye on the engine
temperature, it will get slightly hotter at first than normal, but you should
be able to control it and see the temperature level out after a short time.
On our race engines, we let the engine run for about 15-20 minutes and then we
are ready to do some more break-in at the track.  After the track session, we
get the car up on stands and begin draining the oil as soon as we shut off the
engine.  Replace the filter, reload the crankcase with fresh oil, and it's set
to go.  You could replace the track time with a short trip around the
neighborhood, what you want to do is speed the car up and then use the
engine's compression to slow the engine down, loading the engine and further
seating in the rings.

While this is our way of doing it, it is surely not the only way.  The thing
to remember is varying the engine speed and draining the oil/replacing the
filter after the break-in's done.

Others have break-in tips?

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:29:18 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Olds Omega

>>>>>73 Omega hatchback and am wondering how many of my particular
>>>>>model were made?




- --------------21,433 2dr Hatchbacks produced...various options




Ryan (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:51:28 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: Opinions: Re 1984 Delta 88

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:15:32 -0400 "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
writes:
>>

>Same car with no rust or dings, probably ask $3000, get $2500. Or with
>rusted-out bumper, foot long crease in one door and bullet hole in the
>windshield -- $400. So the answer is "It depends..."
>
>drc
>
>

           Thanks for the reply.  I guess $600 wouldn't be to bad.  Car
looks fair from 25 to 30 feet at 45 mph

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:08:53 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: catorgorizing olds list

Greg,

I think that would be helpful.  That way, if someone has the time to browse
the entire mail list, they could do so, and if not, they could select the
messages that interest them.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:44:45 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

any pics of this item?

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:46:44 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: How many were made???

GraphixRUs@aol.com wrote:
>
> Did you ever get my e-mail  about doing a license plate for you ?
> Roger Utter
Ummmm, no I guess not...do tell...
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:04:56 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Uh,  Peg, Everybody.....(SOM Saga)

Sorry,

Karl not go.

I need a front end alignment (again) AND I am having brake probs AGAIN!

I was waiting at a light when the pedal went to the floor.

She stops, but brake pedal moves very slowly after about a minute or so.
So if reman M/C not leaking, I gots a bad wheel cylinder somewheres, cause I
lost about 1/3 cup of fluid since $800 brake job.

Too bad, want to go very badly.

And in other news, will be posting a pic of my diff code and a link to a web
page from where I will be ordering a rebuild kit for my 1964 Rochester "2
Jet", uh, sometime soon.


Karl Aune
and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:05:18 EDT
From: <SexyGuy928@aol.com>
Subject: Re: screen saver update

where do i get it???

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:11:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

Well I usually don't respond to the type of message --- But

This is an OLDS list.  I have been here for over a year and enjoy it very
much.  Even though I only own 70's, I am an OLDS nut and like to hear of
all Olds related information.  I personally say keep it just the way it is.
 A large and happy family all trying to learn and better their Oldsies.

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Split the list.
> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 1:33 PM
>
>
> I've come back from the weekend to find more then 300 messages had gone
> through... This is rediculous, the amount of content is unmanagable.
>
> Perhaps it would be a good idea to split the list into more refined
> subjects, maybe along the lines of years - 60-69, 70-79, and 80 - to
> present?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> _Am
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:07:54 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting

Peg O'Connor wrote:

> As of Monday 5pm:

(lots of people in lots of places)


Would this "Nats" be the one Dick Miller is having or the one Mondello
is having?  Ohio or Ill.?

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:09:31 EDT
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Flocking/console 'fuzz'

Am restoring my '67 console and need to find a source to reflock the 'mouse
fur' in the storage space.
Anybody have any good leads/tips as to doing this? Have a good, durable
product that works? or a source that can do this for me?
TIA
Peter
Coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:13:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Date:	Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:13:14 -0400

I have a grill, the part number is 561597 LH
Hey you newer Olds guys tell me what it is
Oh by the way its New GM and for sale $50
Not mine but a friends

Thanks All

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:18:30 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Wiring/ 86 Salon

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
>      How about a couple questions about wiring? : ) Are the Back up light
> switch, and the neutral safety switch integral on this car? Haynes isn't 
clear
> on this. How about the colors of the wires for the seperate switches? I
> BELIEVE the Dk Blue and Green wires are the Back up switch wires? Also, since
> the car WAS a 4 spd, and is now a 3 spd, should the neutral safety switch
> work, or are the contacts in slightly dofferent positions?
<snip>
Dorian,
 What do you mean exactly by neutral safety switch??  If you mean a
started cut-out, my '86 manual doesn't show any started cut-out if the
car isn't in park or neutral for the V8's.  However on the V6 Diagram,
there is a note stating "Mechanical block in steering column prevents
starting except in "N" or "P"."

As for your backup lights, you are correct the dark blue is the power
feed from the turn fuse (20 amp..)  Connects to the gear selector switch
and energizes the light green wire when reverse is engaged.

Hope this helps..

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:36:42 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: catorgorizing olds list

> We could come up with some categories>
> what's everyone think?

I like the idea, except for a few problems.  Seems like it's hard enough  to 
get
most of us to put ~pertinent~ subjects up there at all, let alone try coding
them also...   We've discussed the idea a few times in the past, and never came
up with any achievable results.  They wanted to make ~seperate lists~ for
Cutlass/442, Delta, etc.  Another downfall comes in ~this~ form.  I'll use a
recent example to demonstrate.  Couple days ago, someone posted about trouble
with their 69's lighting system.  I don't own a 69, but my '81 and '83 Olds's
have both had the same problems.  With that being on a seperate year category,
there's a chance we wouldn't have seen it, and many wouldn't have been able to
help.  Also have to consider the few members who run the pre-60's Olds's out
there.  With a segregation, they'd be practically shunned, as only 3 or 4
individuals would be paying attention to those postings.  Many moons ago, we 
had
some extremely useful members on the list, and added great information, 
laughs,
and personalities.  We lost 'em... <sniff> ...to the Toro list.  Anyone 
remember
the "66 Toro and Mike?"  The Toro list is a good forum, like ours, of course,
but it made for some more segregation.

In the past, it's been basically concluded that the best method is simply a
clear, consise subject line.  You have to rely on your own two eyes as a 
filter,
but it's much more accurate than letting the computer decide which ones you'll
enjoy.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:52:10 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Flocking/console 'fuzz'

I just bought a replacement glove box for my 67 and it's got mouse fur
on the inside...I bought it from Jim Chermack..He's got lots of kewl
stuff for sale...

(you're welcome, for the free plug, Jim)

COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Am restoring my '67 console and need to find a source to reflock the 'mouse
> fur' in the storage space.
> Anybody have any good leads/tips as to doing this? Have a good, durable
> product that works? or a source that can do this for me?
> TIA
> Peter
> Coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:32:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 HOFFAX181@aol.com wrote:

> where is this screensaver

http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flocking/console 'fuzz'

- ---COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Am restoring my '67 console and need to find a source to reflock the
'mouse
> fur' in the storage space.

 Go to the local hobby store,they sell model car headliner/carpet/seat
covering.Basically a powder,use spray glue,sprinkle powder,then shake
off access.Kinda like applying Glitter .
 cost should run about $5-$6.
      hope this helps,
                    John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:13:44 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting

peg staying at comfort inn...  jeff ....
arriving wed am.....

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:24:04 -0400
From: Jim Hurd <jhurd@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body electric window adj

At 01:23 PM 7/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>I'm having a problem in my '87 442, which also occurred in my '84 Calais,
>both with power windows, and I suspect is a problem for many cars
>without the frame around the door window glass.
>
>At highway speeds (driver's side only) above 40mph the window glass is
>sucked (pushed?) out slightly. If you try to raise the window, it gets
>caught on the *outside* of the uh, "bumpy thing" at the front of the top
>window, and does not shut completely. Lots of air noise, etc. You can
>"fix" it by lowering the passenger window slightly which changes the
>pressure in the car, and raising the drivers side back up. The problem
>does not occur on the passenger side, probably from being used less(?).
>
>Is this an adjustment I can make, or just worn parts that need to be
>replaced?
>
>Any suggestions are appreciated...thanks.
>
>-Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
>mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/
>
>

Mark,

        I just got back from a trip and noticed this also.  While zooming
down the highway the window would get caught outside the "bumpy thing".  I
never thought about trying to roll the passenger window down.  I usually
pull the top of the window in with my other hand.  Just don't get you finger
caught in the window.




Jim H.
'87 Salon

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:06:55 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: list

how do i get off this list. apparently nobody has 77 olds for witch i
need part`s
================================================
Geeeeez,

waaaah-waaaah-waaaaah.

cr



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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:11:02 -0700
From: "Greg Yonge" <gsyonge@pe.net>
Subject: Re: 1995 Cutlass (3.4 V-6)

Hi all,

I am also interested in a late 90's 2dr Supreme and I have 2 questions:

1.    How Much HP does the 3.4 liter make?  I heard it was something like
215.  Is that correct?
2.    When was the last year that Olds offered it in the 2dr Cutlass
Supreme?  I like the newer (94-97) of the Cutlass interiors,   but also want
the larger engine.

TIA

Greg   - OCA 029415
1969 Cutlass S Convt. 4spd.  ~Red Rocket~
1965 442 Covt.  ~Cruisin' Rocket~
1992 Achieva SC ~Pocket Rocket!~    ;)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 06:11
Subject: Re: 1995 Cutlass (3.4 V-6)


>Well I have an 1994 Cutlass with the 3.4L engine. I have 50800miles on it.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:22:20 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Our very own screen saver

Would anyone like a screen saver for the list members, or anyone
interested in oldsmobiles?  Let me know that you think of the idea
==================================================
Hi,

Make your own screen saver.  This is the best one I've come across the
net so far.  It lets you use  a variety of pic formats, sizes them, has
effects.  You can use any pics you want cars, babes, nature, whatever.
I spent a few hours setting it up and trying different pics and effects.
Although, once installed you can have pics up and running within 5
minutes or less.  You can try out the demo.  If you like it, buy it.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esmsoftware/

Have Fun,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast, " under construction.
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:58 -0500
From: "Paul D. Pate" <rocket455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Break in procedure

I could be mistaken, but aren't cams hardened at the factory?  The heat
treating process requires very high temperatures and a slow controlled
cooling process.  At least that's what I was told in my materials
science class.

<The initial break in time 15 to 30 minutes is for many reasons, one is
to
let the cam and lifters reach operating temperature, then you are
supposed
to let it sit untill reaching ambient temperature (about 12 hours) this
process is used to harden the cam and lifters.  If you have ever had a
flat
lobe on a cam you should know what I am talking about.>

Paul Pate

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:34:51 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Screen Saver completed

Matt,

Unfortunately I do not have the software to make the necessary changes.  If
you know someone who can, then have a blast.  Again, this is just an ongoing
reminder that the PC is mightier than the MAC.  Just kidding!  I work with
both and they all have their ups and downs...Take care

Daniel R. Gerow

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
> >
> > Hello again all,
> >
> > Well, I have completed my first screen saver dedicated to all of you.
> > Actually, its my first screen saver ever.  I think you will find it has
> > a slight Oldsmobile theme with pics of cars and other "Oldsmobilia" that
> > I found.  This one hands more toward the Cutlass/442 side of things, but
>
> Would it be possible to port this over to Macintosh format?
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>          777777 33333
>             77      33
> Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>           77        33
>          77     33333
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:36:36 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body electric window adj

Jim,

>        I just got back from a trip and noticed this also.  While zooming
>down the highway the window would get caught outside the "bumpy thing".  I
>never thought about trying to roll the passenger window down.  I usually
>pull the top of the window in with my other hand.  Just don't get you
>finger caught in the window.

Yeah, that's what I used to do too. But I did get it caught in the electric
window
one time, and it HURTS! <g>

Kevin Wong posted a message (Thanks Kevin!) about fixing the problem. I
haven't tried fixing mine yet (too hot!), but it sounds like it might work.
If you
missed it I can forward the message to you.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:45:05 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

Hi guys,

My vote is to NOTsplit the list.  I have learned a lot about the other
models of Old's.  I currently have a Delta 88.  I would also like to
find a '72 Cutlass convertible, some time in the near future.

I think a few of us get windy, lazy -not trimming the fat.  I think if
we have accurate subject headings  and we can easily choose to read or
not read all of the traffic that comes up on this list.

I used to try to read everything every day.  I will have to agree, doing
so is sometimes overwhelming.  But in any case we each have the choice
to read one and delete the rest.  I don't kick myself in the but for not
reading it all.

Thanks.  My $.02,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:51:28 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: 72 Parts for sale(442)

Hi Guys;
      Went over to take alook at a guys parts car.No Doghouse,or title,but he
wants me to sell parts for him and he'll give me the disk brakes for my 67.Here
Goes:
1972 442 Black with black,Auto no tranny-Don't know about rear end,but will 
find
out
Tach-clock dash
black console,goes all the way to the firewall,not dualgate.
at least 3 SSI,14x7 with the trim rings
drivers side bucket,black
two arm loads of trim,grab bag pricefor all,laying inside the car.
two doors-I'll check the condition
442 glove box with the emblem attached
misc int. parts,heater(no air) parts,inst.panel parts.
Parts will go cheap!!!! Early bird gets the worm.Please reply with offers.
Thanks Tony 67 442

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:16 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: File Manager and members

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Subject: Hood question

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:17:11 EDT
From: <DHickel296@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.toro guys

where did the toro guys go? Anyone have the address? I don't mind going
through all the messages, but I generally check it daily. It's especially
interesting how you can learn about a person's personality just from reading
their posts. I have developed some favorites that i will read in spite of the
content because I know they will be interesting and/or humorous. I would be
happy to be a part of both the general Olds list and the Toro list as well.

Darren Hickel
67 Toro

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:30:19 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.toro guys

> where did the toro guys go? Anyone have the address?
> Darren Hickel
> 67 Toro


Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't tell him, we'll lose ~another~ one!!!!

Just kidding, here:
http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

Another thing to consider, with the large volume of messages is that many mail
readers will sort according to subject.  Meaning all posts in a thread will be
grouped together, allowing you to delete the whole thread at once if you so
desire (Netscape, click on one end of the thread, and hold down the shift key
while clicking the other end.  This will select all messages between those two
points.  Then hitting the delete key kills em all at once.


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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:37:27 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

I belong to the Olds, Toro & Triumph lists.  You should see how many
messages I get a day!  BUT, I get them because I am interested in all
three.  Could remove myself from any one to reduce the number of messages
(175-200 a day), but I enjoy and learn from the messages.  In other words,
if you can not stand the heat............ don't split the list!

Thomas Martin wrote:

> If the list must be split, how about small block and big block, or A/G/X
> body and B/D/E body?

> I like the list they way it is.  Works in digest for me!

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Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:40:15 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Uh, 442-ster was Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting

Not Mondello.
Not Dick Miller.

Not even Chris Brown Witt.
(the "real" rocket scientist!)

It is, rather, the Oldsmoblile Club of America National Meet in Springfield,
IL.

And Karl sill wants, but cannot go.

Mebbe Sat.

Although, to be honest, it sounds to me like most of the events are "tourist"
type stuffs.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but  Harmon's is only about an
hour away......

KA
&SOM

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:49:55 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Parts for sale(442)

The Eichholz's wrote:

> wants me to sell parts for him and he'll give me the disk brakes for my
67.Here

Where are we talking about in general?

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:54:54 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Split the list.toro guys

toro@armchair.mb.ca

DHickel296@aol.com wrote:

> where did the toro guys go? Anyone have the address?--

Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:57:11 EDT
From: <Onebil2mny@aol.com>
Subject: Inner Fenders, an answer and a question

I was catching up on some unread mail, and discovered that a lot of talk was
going on about painting plastic inner fenders.  It just so happens that I just
got done doing that exact thing.  I talked quite a bit with the DuPont rep.
before I chose how to paint them.  He had me use a special cleaner first
(sorry, I don't remember the part number), then lightly sand them, then use
the cleaner again.  Next you spray them with a ready mixed adhesion promoter
(kinda like an etching primer for plastics).  Then you let that dry for about
15min, and then you shoot it again.  Finally, you wait another 15 min or so
and spray the ready mixed, resin based bumper black paint.  I found this paint
covered very well (one coat) and seems to be extreamly flexible.  The part
number for the adheasion promoter is 2322s and the resin based paint (actually
a plastic bumper coating) is code 99J mixed for a semi-gloss finish.

Now for the question..... my now very nice looking inner fenders need the
rubber dust flaps, anybody know where I can get these??

Keep it to the left of red!
Bill K
72 442conv. 454 chevy, port injection, richmond 5speed
79 Trans Am, 403 olds, 40,000 miles

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:06:38 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split the list.

THAT IS NOT A BAD IDEA BUT I THINK 60-66     66-72    73-80   81 TO PRESENT IS
A MUCH BETTER IDEA.  69-72 ARE VERY MUCH SIMULAR CARS. JUST MY OPINION THOUGH.
IF PEOPLE WOULD STOP COMPLAINING SO MUCH IT WOULD CUT BACK ALOT ALSO.    HAVE
A NICE DAY     HOPE I DID NOT OFFEND ANY!!


 MARTIN BOUDREAU
 72 CUTLASS  S
 86 442

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:04:15 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Parting 67 4-4-2

Thought I'd pass this along.  We got a call from a guy today who is
(reluctantly) parting out a 67 4-4-2 hardtop.  Apparently his son lost
it on the freeway.  Bent it pretty good
(floorboards are buckled).  Has original 400, TH400, Anti-Spin, good
glass, interior, etc.
Car is in Northern California.  Call John Gonsalves at 510-521-7736 (No
e-mail).

<usual disclaimers apply>
- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:10:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats/Meeting

> Would this "Nats" be the one Dick Miller is having or the one Mondello
> is having?  Ohio or Ill.?

Neither.  This is the Olds Club of America Nats, held every year in a
different place and hosted by a different chapter.  This year it's in
Springfield, Illinois, from July 15th through the 18th, and that's what
this Nats list is referring to...

Speaking of which....last chance to get me your info if you're going,
guys!!

8)
peg

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:14:39 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

if anyone is really interested in the sign i would be happy to take some pics.

Let me know

Brent

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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:19:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats Update

As of Monday midnight:

Name            Dates           Hotel           Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince     7/17-7/18       none yet        72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea     7/17-7/18       none yet        70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith     7/14-7/19       Crowne Plaza    none
Chris Casteel   7/17            Comfort Inn     none
Brent Ardo	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	72 CS conv.
Chris Smetana	7/15-7/18	Days Inn	69 S W-31
Jim McKeague	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	70 W-31 &
						70 Rallye 350
Everett Horton	7/14-7/19	Campground	61 Starfire
Kurt & Rose	7/15-7/17	Holiday Inn	90 Trofeo
Leigh Tenenholtz7/15-7/19	Crowne Plaza	68 CS conv.
Ken Brooks	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	69 Hurst
Jeff		7/15-7/17	Comfort Inn	none
Jack Bazur	7/16-7/18			none
Dan Williams	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	68 442 conv.
Bill Reilly	7/16-7/19	Crowne Plaza	83 Cutlass Ciera
Brent Fields	7/15-7/17	Comfort Suites	none
Preston Oder 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 442
Kelly Logan  	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	71 CS Conv.
Tom Williams 	7/15-7/19      	Holiday Inn	70 CS SX
Steve Bicker	7/17-7/20	Crowne Plaza	73 442 (modified)
Randy Ruark	7/16-7/18	Days Inn	none
Eric Phillips	7/17-7/18	none yet	70 Supreme

Meeting set for Friday 6pm at Everett's swap space.

And consolation goes out to Karl Aune, whose car apparently decided it
wasn't going to participate in Nats this year, so he had to cancel out at
the last minute.
He and I and the other poor souls on the list will stay here and wait to
hear all the good stories when you guys get back.  :)

Think someone on our list might get the Long Distance award??

8)
peg

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:32:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: :)Ala rednecks wreck alot of GRAND AMS-OLDS content too:)

Hi gang,
       Did the junkyard thing today.Found out alot of folks in Alabama
wreck alot of late model Grand Ams.I  swear there was 100 or more in 4
yards I went to.
        Anyway, here's what I found,was shopping today,going to pick
up everything tomorrow and Fri.
Found about 20  403's,(not bringing these home), still in cars,2 sets
of T-tops 1 for (81-83 taillights),will fit 81-87 & 1 set for 78-80,
couple of late Rally Pacs, Turbo Regal hood(for my 82 wagon),late
model tan console(not self-destructed),And a weird OLDS steering wheel
I haven't seen before.This thing is shaped like a late leather sport
wheel,but the rim is like the 70-72 sport wheel,spokes are brushed
alum. like 70-72.Had a horn button looked factory,Anybody ever seen
one of these?Lots of early and late Buick & Pontiac stuff,too.
Even though I'm not a F**D/M%%$URY fan,a 67-68 Cougar--289(?)--still
had the taillights and hide-away headlights.
And now, the best find of the day,72  442---Sport Wheel,Black console
W/Dualgate,complete with top plate and all.

               Later,
                      John

==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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