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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, June 13 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1307



Re: 425 performance parts
Re: heads
403/thm400
Re: First time out(propane)
Re: 4.10 Gearing
455 ROD CAP BOLTS, please help
Thanks!
Re: heads
ATTENTION LIST:
Re: Paint Supplier
Re: Why do you do this?
Re:  403/thm400
Re: '84 Ciera
1936 Oldsmobile
Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv
RE: 425 performance parts
Seaker and soft tops... what a pain
Re: '84 Ciera
(no subject)
Re: (no subject)
Re: Rear Discs 68 442 or My Heavy Foot
Re: 120 MPH Speedo from '73 - THE PLAN
Rally Pac Guages for 72 Cutlass
Hiya, folks! Just popping in for a few days...
20/50 oil
RE: '68 442 for FREE! More info
It good to be back
Re: heads
RE: '68 442 for FREE! (NOT FREE - He changed his mind!)
Re:75 Delta 88
Re: Hiya, folks! Just popping in for a few days...
72 cutlass read
UNBOUNCE: 1936 Olds FS
Re: 72 cutlass read
Re: heads
temperature sensor ?
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic
Re: ATTENTION LIST:
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
oops
diff codes
Re: Why do you do this?
Re: ATTENTION LIST:
Re: heads
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Type: text/plain
[Fwd: [Toro]]
Re: heads
Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic
Re: Doug's cam bank angle question
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Fwd: fuel gauge
weird parts
So. Wisc. yards (long)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:19:18 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 425 performance parts

> I have a 67 Toro with the stock 425 and tranny. I'm curious on whether there
> are any performance enhancing parts available for that engine,71K miles on it
and goes pretty good as it sits,

Hmm...  67 Toro 425 stock?  71K miles?  Performance parts???  You already got
'em!  385 hp's worth, at least.  The 67 Toro block will accept all aftermarket
455 parts, so knock yourself out.  Cam, intake, heads, etc.  (OK, from
Edelbrock, at least...)  Mondello can give you many performance options, as
well, and will only take from you all of your money ;)  Options are numerous.
You can get a outside air induction system for it, which can gain a few HP's.
Find the rare factory ones or make your own, if you feel creative.  Never heard
if anyone makes headers for the Toros...  Always curious, though...

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:03:43 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: heads

In a message dated 6/12/98 4:06:49 AM

> Where are you located?

I am stuck in a hillbilly town called Spokane, here in Warshington State.
Kerry

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:13:14 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: 403/thm400

Hi all!
     Anybody running a 403/thm400 combo? I recently destroyed my transmission
pump, and was wondering if anyone else had this problem? They are all stock
parts. The converter sheared off the tops of the pump tangs after 10,000
miles! I know the converter was seated fully when installed. A friend said
that I should have seperated the converter from the flexplate with washers, to
get more engagement. I had never heard of the converter being able to be out
far enough to fit, yet after 10,000 miles, shear the pump tangs off....any
insight would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:13:52 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: First time out(propane)

When I bought the car (from girlfriends neighbour, so I knew the guy) it
already had propane.  Here are some of the facts I know about propane.

PROS:	
really cheap fuel (in Calgary, 60% cheaper then gas)
clean burning (so cleaner combustion in engine, cleaner enviroment)
high octane so high compression and timing advance works great
excelent drivability (no cold weather bog of stumble on nothing)
passing emissions will be fun with propane (no problem)
in some places, if you run propane you can nix the catalytic converters
if you have a high compression engine, you don't have to retard ignition to
run pump gas.  You could know even advance it a bit for more power.
clean burning leads to a lot less engine ware.  If you have ever seen the
inside of a 120,000mile engine that was on gas, the ridge formed in the
cylinder bore is quite evident and a cause for concern.  On an equal milage
propane engine, the ridge is almost non existent.  Also, propane burns a
lot cooler, so engine last longer.  Oil after 7000 miles is still like new,
and spark plugs can seem to go almost for ever.
That is all I can think of now

CONS:
reduced trunk space (not that bad though, depends on tank size)
not recomended to park it in a garage
takes longer to start when cold (like 2 seconds cranking instead of one.
Big deal.  Here in Calgary it gets pretty damn cold outside and I have
never pluged the car in and it ALWAYS started.  Besides if you spend extra
$5 and have the primer swith installed, you could just press it for 1 sec.
when cold and the engine will fire right up.  THis is really NOT a con.)
you can loose some power if you have a low compression engine, but if not,
I have seen people pick up some power
the combustion is not as efficient as with gas (couse engines are designed
for gas), so it may use 10-15% more fuel, but when 60%cheaper is still pays
off well.

I was unsure about buying a propane fired car until I got this one.  I love
the fuel now.  The car is virtually maintanece free.  It has 240,000kms on
the odometer, since I bought it I did almost 30,000 and have changed the
oil twice.  That is all the maintanence.  Checked the plugs three times.
Still like knew.   I don't know how old they are.  On the highway with 307
and th200r4 ODtrans, I can get about 22mpg on propane.  That is like 45 ON
GAS.  Beat that with even a little car.  I might even convert my 455 to
propane even though it is suposed to be my performance ride.

To convert to propane you will need a tank, proapne mixer (propane carb),
some hose, a vacum booster (really chap, like $25 or so) and a propane
pump.  You should also have the hardened valve seats installed to make the
heads last a long time.  My 307 DOES NOT have this, and as I mentioned
240,000kms and still runs like new, but it should be done anyways.  What I
would recomend you do if you  want to do this is buy an old, craped out ex.
taxi or something on propane and just have the system swaped over.  It does
not have to be GM, it could be anything.  The guy that machined my engine
says he has often seen ex. taxi 307s, 350s and CHEVY 305s and 350s that did
400,000miles+ befoure a bottom end rebuild on propane.  IF the heads were
built for propane right away, they could be almost origional as well.  IF
you have any more questions let me know.  Sorry for the long post.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)
- ----------
> From: Chris Rivier <crivier@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: First time out
> Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 1:20 AM
>
> ... it is a propane powered car. This helps the engine live
> longer as well.
> ************************************************************
>
> Igor,
>
> Was your car already converted to propane when you bought it, or did you
> convert it?  And if so, how did you do it?
>
> There was a program here to convert city vehicles to propane here in
> Austin, TX.  Also, most of the city buses are propane, it isn't cheap
> initially, but I also heard that maintenance is cheaper.  Last I heard
> no more propane buses were being purchased, because of high initial
> outlay ($$$$big bucks=tax dollars).  In Texas propane is relatively
> inexpensive.  Hmmmmm, alternative fuel.
>
> Anyone have any comments.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris Rivier
> '66 Delta 88..."The Beast," getting inspected soon.
> '88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.  "Run it 'till
> the antennae is the only thing sticking up from the dirt."
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:44:31 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: 4.10 Gearing

I have 4:10s in my '81 Dodge van (360, RVcam).  Sure, the big maxivan gets
going very well.  It is extremly quick off the line and can smoke tires too
(well, tire).  I can suprise many, and I mean many cars off the line.  But
besides getting 1MPG,  the van tops out at about 85mph and turns rediculus
RPMs at 60mph.  If you want to be able to CRUISE at of above 60mph, stick
with 3:43s.  Beside, if you have a 455, the torque you make is sufficint.
With the 4:10s, if you are going 55mph and step on it, it will probably not
downshift and you will not get too much power.  I don't know. I guess it is
up to you.  I just know that since this van no longer has to pull a 30 foot
trailer, the 4:10s are going to give way to 2:93s for some MPG not GPM and
decent highway travel.  The only other time I would ever install gears like
this in a car is if it had OD and I needed to pull something.  I like about
3.73s and OD, that would be great.  Otherwise, the 455/TH400 that is going
to go into my '81 Delta will see no more then 3:23 posi, couse I want to be
able to drive on the highway without slowing traffic down.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:53:04 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: 455 ROD CAP BOLTS, please help

I just finished putting in the pistons/rings/rods into my engine.  The
torque specs form rod cad bolts is 42 lb-punds.  This feels LOOSE to me.
How the hell is this suposed to withstand 3000 rpm for 100,000miles.  As
if.  Do I have the torque specks wrong.  If so, what should they be.  Also,
since this is my first engine, I an nervose.  Is there any way I could have
installed the rings wrong.  What about when I dip the piston into the
engine, could that be done worng.  The piston ring clearance checked out
okay.  Checked the bore twice, checked the pistons (they are in fact
.030over) doulbe checked the berring part numbers plus oil clearance with
plastigage okay.  Everything looks good but I am just scared.  The crank is
difficult to turn with all the pistons inside.  I put the harmonic balancer
bolt in and tightened it so I can use the wrench to turn the crank.  With
the wrench it is fairly easy.  Should there be this much drag.  And one
more important question.  How much oil should I put onto the rings.  I put
a bit but that all got cleaned up as the pistons go in to the bore.  I
oiled the wrist pin well.  Befoure putting in the pistons, I put a little
oil into the bore.  Is this okay or should I have soaked the rings.  Should
I maybe put some oil on top of the piston (between the piston and bore) and
rotate the crank so that it cleans up the oil and lubricates the rings
better.  Thanks for anwers, they will make me feel better.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:38:34 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Thanks!

To each and every one of you who helped with my questions and added
something a little more .... I would just like to say thank you.

Rather than thank each person indiviually, I thought it would be easier
this way. However, there are a few of you that I do need to respond to
one on one for wiring diagrams and parts. I'll be writing to you soon.

I took part in this mailing system just last night and I must say,
everyone has been very friendly and informative. Your questions, answers
and participation is greatly appreciated. This is a wonderful group!

Thanks all!

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:33:53 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: heads

On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:54:03 EDT <DiscoOzzy@aol.com> writes:

> and a 4bbl intake from 67~

        Is this a big block or small block intake?

        E.J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:17:40 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: ATTENTION LIST:

Dear Fellow Olds List Members:

It has become a growing concern by many people that too many members are
using the list to reply to a single person over and over.   Though I have
heard many complaints, I have seen nothing that addresses the cause of the
problem.  The problem is that when you go to reply to someone and you hit
"Reply to Author" (which by the way most people think will send to the
person who wrote the original post), it sends the letter to the entire list.
There is no way to send to the author of a post unless he supplies his/her
e-mail address within the  email.. ...The best solution for this is to
insert a signature.  This way you can save on typing.  All you have to do is
create the signature, and whenever you write an email, insert the
signature....just a few clicks of a button and you can save everyone a lot
of time and bandwidth.  If you don't know how to make a signature....ask
your kids...they probably know how.  I hate to take up everyone's time, but
I figure more letters complaining about people using the list to reply
personally just takes up more bandwidth than the actual letters in question.
Hope this helps.....Sorry about the length.

Gib Loudon (a.k.a. "The Rocketman")
1969 Cutlass "S" Holiday Coupe
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:43:26 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Supplier

Raul Martinez wrote:

> Thanks Chris. Another one, What's PPG and where can I find the color 
code/chip
identifier?. Could be enough to give this guy the original GM paint code (CC
provincial white). Thanks. Raul.

PPG is a brand of paint.  I believe an enamel.  He could easily use the (CC
provincial white) information to create the paint.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:15:50 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?

Charley,and the rest of the gang;
         I apoligize for what I said but how chris answered my post rubbbed me
the wrong way,and maybe it wasn't intended,but it was taken
sarcasticly.But,never the less,I will keep replies private.       Sorry Tony

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:43:00 EDT
From: <BEDROCK15@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  403/thm400

After a lot more than stock rebuild of my 403. I totally destroyed the 400 the
first time out. I'm looking at TCI Streetfighter or a B&M 400 to solve the
problem. Summett Performance Cat. is a good place to start.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 08:40 EDT
From: Allen_R_MONROE@umail.umd.edu (am39)
Subject: Re: '84 Ciera

>Message text written by Allen
>>I have an 84 Ciera with the MPFI 3.8L engine also. You are right it wasn't
>listed in the sales brochure. When my Dad bought this car new one test
>drive
>was all it took.<

Steve Said>
>I thought only the 2.5L Tech IV, 2.8L MPFI V6, and 3.0L V6 were available
>in the Ciera until the late 80's.  The 3.8L SFI wasn't available until '86
>or '87???
>

All of the dealer info I have seen for the 84 Ciera (if I remember right)
Do not list the 3.8L MPFI as being avail in 84. Thank goodness the Sevice
Manual does. Back in early 84 my Dad and I were looking around for a Ciera
with a V6 and then the salesman pointed out one on his lot with the 3.8 MPFI
engine and overdrive trans that was used in the new downsized Nighty Eight
series. One test drive and we realized that this car was a blast to drive. BTW
I don't think the 2.8L MPFI engine was used in the olds line, mainly used for
the Ch*vy sister car.

   Allen Monroe
Advanced Laboratories
Department of Physics
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742-4111

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:08:52 -0400
From: "Chris Larcinese" <clarcinese@unitime.com>
Subject: 1936 Oldsmobile

I am in the posession of a 1936 4 door touring sedan witha straight 8 that
my father had purchased several yers ago.  A couple years ago, I started
disassembly then ran out of time, money and interest.

I am now in the process of relocating, and do not want to take this vehicle
with me.  As far as i know, I am in possession of nearly all of the pieces,
and the body is very solid.  25 ytears ago, when my father bought it, the
engine was working - but I am not sure about it now.

IOs tghere anyone out their that would to come to central Masachusetts to
pickup and an excellent project car?  Or amybe on to part out.  I am only
asking $500 for it, but would listen to any reasonable offer!

Chris Larcinese
cdlar@tiac.net

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:37:30 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv

- -----Original Message-----
From: derricklclark <derricklclark@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv


>OK,
>Where is the best locations for speakers without cutting holes in the
>interior?
>Are there places already cut for door speakers?
>
>72 cutlass conv 455


My '71 had holes in the sheetmetal for 6 1/2" in the lower rear doors,
but the interior panels (where the carpet is) has to be cut.  And they
don't sound good down there anyway.  I made a custom 1/4 plywood plate
for two 4" speakers, then ran a piece of 1 inch aluminum stock along
the bottoms of the speaker magnets, and bent them upwards on the ends
to match the two bolt pattern for the stock 4x10 speaker in the front
dash.  This makes the speakers sit 1 1/2" down, so I used the
appropriate size rubber/foam weather-strip to seal the top to the
underside of the dash.  The only downside besides a whole day spent
making the thing was I had to remove the duct that goes to the center
vent in the dash for clearance.

I does sound great though and looks stock.  I suppose you could by a
pair of Pioneer 4x10 speakers, and just use one.  I don't think it
will sound good though.

A pair of 6x9's fit into the holes in the top well.  Can't hear them
with the top down though.

- -greg

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:56:00 -0400
From: "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
Subject: RE: 425 performance parts

     I have a 425 in my Cutlass with headers.  They are from hooker but are
     not supercomps.  I believe Hooker sold the supercomps for the 425 but
     they were something like $325 for the set.  I didn't feel that it was
     worth the money.  In the cutlass they hang just alittle low but you
     might have better luck with this in the Toro.

     Josh
     67 Cutlass
     425 / TH400


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_________________________________
Subject: Re: 425 performance parts
Author:  "Charley Buehner" [SMTP:buehner@lyrea.com] at TBSCENTRAL
Date:    6/11/98 10:21 PM


> I have a 67 Toro with the stock 425 and tranny. I'm curious on whether
there
> are any performance enhancing parts available for that engine,71K miles on
it
and goes pretty good as it sits,

Hmm...  67 Toro 425 stock?  71K miles?  Performance parts???  You already
got
'em!  385 hp's worth, at least.  The 67 Toro block will accept all
aftermarket
455 parts, so knock yourself out.  Cam, intake, heads, etc.  (OK, from
Edelbrock, at least...)  Mondello can give you many performance options, as
well, and will only take from you all of your money ;)  Options are
numerous.
You can get a outside air induction system for it, which can gain a few
HP's.
Find the rare factory ones or make your own, if you feel creative.  Never
heard
if anyone makes headers for the Toros...  Always curious, though...

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:07 -0400
From: "Troy Toffolo" <toffolo@apttech.com>
Subject: Seaker and soft tops... what a pain

I have heard/seen a small set of modular car speaker with a plastic
enclosure about 4" high, 10'' wide and 5" deep that angled back.  The person
just put them behind their feet in front of the buckets.  To my surprise
they didn't get in the way (you could Velcro or bungy or ... them in place).
They sounded pretty good with the top down and they where easy to install.
My personal solution has been...more POWER...which over comes many speaker
placement ills'.   Power is really needed when the top is down and you're
cruising.  I use a high quality power amp (happens to be from Kenwood)  that
has a real 100watts per channel. The 100 Watts  was enough to power the car.
You know the spec's 100 watts RMS,  per channel, continuous into an 8 Ohm
load with less then .1% THD, with 3dB of head room.  If an amp is  not
speced similar someone's cooking the spec's to make the power look bigger
then it is.   I utilize a small set of bookshelf speaker and just throw them
on the floor, back seat or the boot (make sure they can handle the power).
Not as permanent as I like but nice if you ever go to park or some other out
side place and you want some tunes.  Your really using the back speaker to
get the bass and there placement is not as critical as the
tweeters/midranges.  It helps to  boost  the high end of the frequency
spectrum in the front (but not required if you have enough power).  In the
front I just have a small 3"x3"x1" set of tweeters/mid range speaker in
little plastic enclosures (from radio shack) on separate channel (not much
power need here).  You can place them any where on the dash/window/window
post.  They fill in the sound nicely.    I like someone's idea of  building
a speaker jig to put them into the 4x10 stock speak whole.
Tweeters/midranges are small and would easily fit.  You could also mount the
speakers at a small angles pointing  too driver/passenger sides to increase
channel separation.  The Higher frequencys bounce/bend the worst but the
glass windshield, with its angle should work OK.  Not perfect  but it works.
Just my 2 Cents.

|========================|
   Troy Toffolo

   Apt Technologies, Inc.
   4534 Lamplighter Lane
   Manlius NY 13104-2319

   Phone: (315) 682-1882
   Fax:     (315) 682-1886
   Email:  toffolo@apttech.com
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- -----Original Message-----

From:	derricklclark <derricklclark@email.msn.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date:	Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:56 PM
Subject:	Re: locations for speakers in 72 cutlass conv


>OK,
>Where is the best locations for speakers without cutting holes in the
>interior?
>Are there places already cut for door speakers?
>
>72 cutlass conv 455

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:40:34 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: '84 Ciera

On Fri, 12 Jun 98 08:40 EDT Allen_R_MONROE@umail.umd.edu (am39) writes:
>>Message text written by Allen

. BTW
>I don't think the 2.8L MPFI engine was used in the olds line, mainly
>used for
>the Ch*vy sister car.
>

       My '87 Ciera has the 2.8 MPFI in it.

      E.J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:43:29 -0400
From: Gary <gbjb127@net-link.net>
Subject: (no subject)

One quick question please...can I put a '77 442 350 a/c system (all
under hood parts/brackets, etc.) on a '74 Cutlass w/ 455?  Will the a/c
compressor brackets fit?  The compressor is the old, axial type.  I
assume that they will due to heads' external dimensions being the same
but I don't know for sure.
Thank you very very much for your help.  I greatly appreciate it.
Gary Brown

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:44:05 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

mark,
I also have a 75 Delta 88 conv. What part of the country are you.?
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:05:36 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Discs 68 442 or My Heavy Foot

Awhile ago, I was thinking of putting rear disc brakes on my 75 Delta 88 Conv.
And someone from the list ( I think one of our Canandian neighbors) talked me
out of it and boy am I grateful. After replacing the springs and shoes, my
olds stops better than my wife's new Expl*rer, way better!
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:22:36 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 120 MPH Speedo from '73 - THE PLAN

An interesting Plan to do this:
1) Either scan or re-create a 120 mph Face to stick on the Car
2) Bombardier Ski-Doos come factory with a Pre-speedometer gear box that
attaches to the speedometer, on this box are three connections, one goes
to the speedometer, and the cable is hooked to one of the other two
Ends.  When hooked up to the one end, the Speedometer is accurate, but
when hooked to the other, It is reduced such that the KM/H on the
speedometer actually becomes MPH !!!!  This would be a quick trick to
puul on a car, and give you a lot more MPH on the speedometer (Should be
140 ??)  As well , the odometer still functions, only it records in
Miles.  If the speedometer was reduced to a 120MPH limit, the odometer
would then be toast??

If/when someone tries this, please keep me informed.

Glenn Connors wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have a 120 mph speedo they could scan the face of?  Surely with
> >a litle work we could figure out how to produce a decal or stencil to
> >convert all these 80mph speedos to 120.  I know I'd like to do it.  Only
> >problem is it'll probalby take a reduction box on most cars to slow the
> >speedo down roughly 40% to get it to read correctly. :(  Still a worthy
> project.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:30:38 -0600
From: "Litke, David" <Litke.David@tci.com>
Subject: Rally Pac Guages for 72 Cutlass

	Thanks everyone for the info on my Cutlass, but I have some more
questions,  I was wondering if anyone could tell me what my dad's '73 98
with a 455 4bbl was rated in  HP and torque, I've looked on the FAQ and it
seems to skip this and several other years.  I would also like to know what
years I can pull from to get Rally Pac Guages for my '72 Cutlass or can you
get these guages new (not cheap I'm sure) and does anyone have a set that I
could buy?

litke.david@tci.com
'72 Cutlass Supreme
'73 98 Regency

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:11:55 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Hiya, folks! Just popping in for a few days...

Been getting work done here in the office and around the house, but I
missed this list so I'm joining back up for the weekend; back to work on
Monday, though!

I finally bought a truck to haul parts and family in, and both the
F*rd-haters and Ch*vy-haters will be pleased to learn it is *neither* of
those, but rather an oddball Jeep, woodgrain and all. My wife loves driving
it, which is just as well, as its absolute lack of power (360/2-bbl... :p )
makes me appreciate my SX all the more!

So, what have I missed here?
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400
1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360/TF727

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:42:48 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: 20/50 oil

Acouple of weeks ag there was a lot of discution on what the best weight
of oil should be used.  I have 307 that I started driving and was using
1/30.  I was going through about 1 litre a tank of gas.  The general
consesis seemed (or that is what I got from it) to be that 20/50 was
best in the summer.  I changed the oil & filter and replaced it with
20/50.  Since then (about two weeks ago), I am happy to say, my 307 has
not lost a drop!  Thanks to the group.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:24:33 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: RE: '68 442 for FREE! More info

PLEASE ! Reply directly to the ORIGINAL AUTHOR:
 David Senn <David.Senn@noaa.gov>
The parts are in Miami, Florida

The message was sent to me thru the OCA web page. I don't have any '68
parts.

Brad Nicholson
brad442@erols.com
OCA's WebGuy

=========================================
Subject: 442 parts for .... free?
   Date: 10 Jun 1998 16:19:25 -0400
   From: David Senn <David.Senn@noaa.gov>
    To: brad442@erols.com

 I am an old '68 Olds 442 enthusiast.  I have owned several throughout
the years
.... had 3 (one convertible and two coupes) at one time up to several
months
ago.  I currently have (what I would consider!) a parts car right now. I
have
made a decision to get out of the "hobby" and get rid of all of my spare
parts
.... which includes the parts car.  I would gladly GIVE all of the
parts  to someone and all they would have to do is pay shipping.  The
parts range from arm rests to body lights (parking, headlight, tail
lights etc.) to visors to
seat belts to carb parts and even a rear end.  All in all I would say I
have 4 or 5
boxes full of parts.

Would you happen to know who might be interested in these '68 parts?  If
not I
will be forced to hall them off to the trash dump and I would hate to do
that if
someone might be interested in them.
Thanks!

David Senn <David.Senn@noaa.gov>

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:15:12 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: It good to be back

Well after a short vacation and a l - o - n - g swap meet, it good to be
back to my regular slow boring life style again.
Last weekend I was at the Barrie Auto Fleamarket, here in Canada.  About
2500 vendors and not much olds parts there.
I did pick up a set of 71 Cutlass grills, a 7028251 68 442 carb (in good
condition), a 7043256  carb
a set of 71 sport mirrors and a black console (70 - 72).  All these will be
forsale except the grills, they have a tab broken off I need to repair
first.
A very nice week end over all.  And I had the oppertunity to meet someone
from this list.  Its always nice to see the other olds nuts.
The most sought after parts were and outer chrome pieces and 74 Cutlass
grills.  Had a hole bunch of people looking for these puppies.
There were some NOS in the boxes 68 delta grills.  And a set of 62 Olds
Hubcaps - NEW -

So what did I miss?



Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:42 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: heads

In a message dated 6/12/98 11:18:25 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ejhufnagel@juno.com
writes:

> and a 4bbl intake from 67~
>
>          Is this a big block or small block intake?
>
>          E.J.
>
you guess is as good as mine. It looks way wider than the one on my 403, but
that could be because its not on an engine. I can look for #'s if that would
help
Kery

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:20:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: RE: '68 442 for FREE! (NOT FREE - He changed his mind!)

Brad, you might be interested to know, Mr. Senn changed his mind and decided
he wanted to SELL his most valuable parts.

I know because I offered to take them off his hands. I have access to a
trucking company and it wouldn't have been a problem. I believe you, me, and
I'm sure several on the list were misled.

Nice to think about though.



At 04:24 PM 6/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>PLEASE ! Reply directly to the ORIGINAL AUTHOR:
> David Senn <David.Senn@noaa.gov>
>The parts are in Miami, Florida
>
>The message was sent to me thru the OCA web page. I don't have any '68
>parts.
>
>Brad Nicholson
>brad442@erols.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:33:29 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re:75 Delta 88

Bruce:

I live in Cincinnati, Ohio

Mark

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:35:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Hiya, folks! Just popping in for a few days...

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Robert Barry wrote:
> Been getting work done here in the office and around the house, but I
> missed this list so I'm joining back up for the weekend; back to work on
> Monday, though!

Yeah, surrrrrre! ;-)

> I finally bought a truck to haul parts and family in, and both the
> F*rd-haters and Ch*vy-haters will be pleased to learn it is *neither* of
> those, but rather an oddball Jeep, woodgrain and all. My wife loves driving
> it, which is just as well, as its absolute lack of power (360/2-bbl... :p )
> makes me appreciate my SX all the more!

Somehow, it seems appropo that you'd end up with something like that...
sort of a late-model retro-truck. I like those too. The original design
dates from, what, 1963 or so?

> So, what have I missed here?

Oh, just the usual stuff... a few dust-ups, a few pics posted in error, a
few urban myths forwarded, and even a bit of Olds discussion scattered
in. Welcome back!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:49:07 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: 72 cutlass read

what is involved in changing a 72 over from bench seats to bucket seats,
anyone have any ideas on where i can get the parts. i sent in one post and got
no replys please help.i am also looking for a fuel tank and sending unit
thank you

MARTY

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:37:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1936 Olds FS

Not on the list; respond to clarcinese@unitime.com if you have any
interest. I'm a sucker for these real old models...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Chris Larcinese" <clarcinese@unitime.com>
Subject: 1936 Oldsmobile

I am in the posession of a 1936 4 door touring sedan witha straight 8 that
my father had purchased several yers ago.  A couple years ago, I started
disassembly then ran out of time, money and interest.

I am now in the process of relocating, and do not want to take this vehicle
with me.  As far as i know, I am in possession of nearly all of the pieces,
and the body is very solid.  25 ytears ago, when my father bought it, the
engine was working - but I am not sure about it now.

IOs tghere anyone out their that would to come to central Masachusetts to
pickup and an excellent project car?  Or amybe on to part out.  I am only
asking $500 for it, but would listen to any reasonable offer!

Chris Larcinese
cdlar@tiac.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:23:54 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass read

yearone can help,or specialty olds is a better source for all yer' needs and
wants....w31sleeper@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:56:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: heads

At 06:18 PM 6/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>>> and a 4bbl intake from 67~
>>
>>          Is this a big block or small block intake?
>>
>you guess is as good as mine. It looks way wider than the one on my 403, but
>that could be because its not on an engine. I can look for #'s if that would

Easy ID for intake off engine: BB=14" across, SB=12" across
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:11:34 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: temperature sensor ?

I have a 1970 442 that has a temperature gauge not a light.  The previous
owner of the car changed the engine, and hooked up a temperature sensor for a
idiot light.  I bought the proper sensor for a gauge.  Will it work to just
change the wire end to fit the right sensor?  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks.
Keith Schulz (1970 442)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:58:22 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

At 06:54 PM 6/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> On the 60/40 bench seat setup, if I were to find another driver's seat
>> (AKA: 40) would it be possible to swap seat tracks from the seats,
>> making to driver's seats, or a 40/40 with a 20 gap for the console?

Jerry, I'm not sure about the Cutlass Supremes, but in our old Ciera wagon
(and my parents' '79 Grand Prix), the driver's side was 60% of the bench
and the passenger side was the 40%.  So in effect, wouldn't you need
another passenger side to put on the driver's side, to make it 40%/40%?

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:08:39 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic

At 11:37 PM 6/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>The 307 soldiered on, powering RWD Cutlasses until
>> 88 and > the B-body Custom Cruiser wagon until the early 90s.
>
>Hmm...  That reminds me.  Just by chance, what induction system did they
>use?????

To my knowledge, the 307 had the 4-bbl carb. all the way 'till the end.  In
fact, wasn't it the last carbureted V8 sold by General Motors?  Also, I
believe the last year was 1990, not "into the early 90's".  Setting the
Pace says that the last Oldsmobile small block rolled off the line in 1990.

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:55:39 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: ATTENTION LIST:

At 07:17 AM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>There is no way to send to the author of a post unless he supplies his/her
>e-mail address within the  email.. ...The best solution for this is to
>insert a signature.
>
>Gib Loudon (a.k.a. "The Rocketman")
>cutlass@mill.tds.net

Yes, but also, put the mailto: tag in front.

For example, some e-mail programs will let you double (or single) click on
this: jadcock@vt.edu and it will create a new message to me.  But, some
e-mail programs do not, and you need something like this:
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu

Notice in my sig...

Just my $0.02...

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:47:54 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

  So in effect, wouldn't you need
>another passenger side to put on the driver's side, to make it 40%/40%?
>

My 86  Has the small side 40% on the drivers side and the wide side 60% on
the passanger side.  Maybe they changed it durning the early 80's, I dont
know.

Can standard buckets be mounted to the same brackets.  I havent been paying
attention to this but it dose sound like an idea if it will work.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:48:01 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

  So in effect, wouldn't you need
>another passenger side to put on the driver's side, to make it 40%/40%?
>

My 86  Has the small side 40% on the drivers side and the wide side 60% on
the passanger side.  Maybe they changed it durning the early 80's, I dont
know.

Can standard buckets be mounted to the same brackets.  I havent been paying
attention to this but it dose sound like an idea if it will work.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:54:48 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: oops

Sorry for the last double msg. I dont know why or how it got sent twice.
Sorry everyone.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:02:17 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: diff codes

Im trying to figure out what gear ratio is in my car the stamp on the axle
tube reads as follows     5a   b263   2     the car does not have a limited
slip rearend(yet) just kinda want to know what i got
T.I.A.
rick
1972 442

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:09:32 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you do this?

to tony ,charley and the rest of the gang,
 i agree about these replies being kept private ,its only comman courtesy,but
i dont think tony should apologize for his "stab" a chris witt!! i follow the
post reguarly and will agree that chris is a very knowledgable and important
member of this list,but he also has a habit of being sarcastic and just a
general jacka** . i have seen several of chris responses and samarta**
comments to list members that im sure if were done in person, chris would be
seeking the help of a oral surgeon! no, this is not a "shot "a chris ,because
he truly does "know his shi*" and i myself have learned alot of things reading
his post, i just think he needs to "calm down" some of his replies etc.
just my 2 cents worth and if it offends anyone _________ OH WELL !!!!!
sx455@aol.com all angry parties please reply in private and not take up
bandwidth ,rick watts

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:07:27 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: ATTENTION LIST:

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> At 07:17 AM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >There is no way to send to the author of a post unless he supplies his/her
> >e-mail address within the  email.
SNIP!
this is not true. If you look at the top of the e-mail it shows who sent
the message. Just highlight the entire name, go to edit and hit "copy".
Then open new message and when the cursor is at the "mail to" block, go
to edit again and hit "paste". Then you can reply to that person.
T.J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:13:06 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: heads

In a message dated 6/13/98 12:00:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu writes:

> Easy ID for intake off engine: BB=14" across, SB=12" across

14" it is! casting  # 1 8 4 3 6 5 7 2



I'm not that big of an idiot, casting is 390390 and date looks like a 2 1 6.
go get it!

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:31:41 PDT
From: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:36:02 PDT
From: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

Oops, sorry, just sent a wrong message!  Hi, Olds folks, I just
subscribed to the digest; thought I'd join you for awhile, anyway.
I've been here before, I'm Doug Kitchener, live in the Washington DC
area of the US, have a '70 Cutlass Supreme convertible, a '72 Vista-
Cruiser (350-2bbl) and a rusty '72 Cutlass 4-door sedan.  Used to have
a '63 Starfire coupe, sold it because I couldn't afford to do anything
with it.

'Nother message follows, I'm running out of room here...

DK

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:46:07 PDT
From: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

Here's what precipitated my signing on the list... recently received
a copy of Joe Mondello's Olds V8 Tech Ref manual.  Lotsa good info!
Since I just got on the list, dunno whether any of you have seen this
manual/whether there has been any discussion of it.  Was talking the
other night with Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff of the Toro List about the
Olds 330, as he just picked up a '65 F85 sedan.  Well, come to find
out, according to Joe Mondello, whom I have no reason to doubt, there
were some _330_ blocks that had a 45-degree lifter angle, and some
that had the 39-degree angle!  I was aware of this phenomenon re the
425 blox, but hadn't run into it on the 330!  Comments?

My question is, have we, as a group of enthusiasts, ever been able to
definitively figure out what cars or model years or whatever, used
which 425?  Did we know about this for the 330?  BTW, lifter bore on
330s was all .842, sez Joe.  I haven't scoped out the archives for this
stuff either, but will do so!  Regards,  Doug

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:05:28 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [Toro]]

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Greetings from the dark side!

Long time, I admit. Sorry about that! Busy Busy Busy! (;

But, since I am out of Toro Territory on this, I thought I would pass this
along.... Especially since it applies to me! (:

Best Regards to all....

Sparky
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Here's what precipitated my signing on the list... recently received
a copy of Joe Mondello's Olds V8 Tech Ref manual.  Lotsa good info!
Since I just got on the list, dunno whether any of you have seen this
manual/whether there has been any discussion of it.  Was talking the
other night with Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff of the Toro List about the
Olds 330, as he just picked up a '65 F85 sedan.  Well, come to find
out, according to Joe Mondello, whom I have no reason to doubt, there
were some _330_ blocks that had a 45-degree lifter angle, and some
that had the 39-degree angle!  I was aware of this phenomenon re the
425 blox, but hadn't run into it on the 330!  Comments?

My question is, have we, as a group of enthusiasts, ever been able to
definitively figure out what cars or model years or whatever, used
which 425?  Did we know about this for the 330?  BTW, lifter bore on
330s was all .842, sez Joe.  I haven't scoped out the archives for this
stuff either, but will do so!  Regards,  Doug

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:04:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: heads

At 10:13 PM 6/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>14" it is! casting  # 1 8 4 3 6 5 7 2

heh...

>I'm not that big of an idiot, casting is 390390 and date looks like a 2 1 6.
>go get it!

Yup, 390390 is listed as all '66-'67 400 (and 425, I'd imagine) 4-bbl. Apart
from the divorced choke provision, it would be a fine choice.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:10:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: MCR Performace Clinic

At 08:08 PM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>The 307 soldiered on, powering RWD Cutlasses until
 [snip]
>To my knowledge, the 307 had the 4-bbl carb. all the way 'till the end.  In
>fact, wasn't it the last carbureted V8 sold by General Motors?  Also, I
>believe the last year was 1990, not "into the early 90's".  Setting the
>Pace says that the last Oldsmobile small block rolled off the line in 1990.

Yup, the ol' Quadrajet-powered 307 was one of *the* last carbureted motor
sold here; I think the only other things with carbs at that time were the
Subaru Justy, the lowest-level Honda Civic, and the few AMC-powered Grand
Wagoneers trickling out of the factory. I don't know who owns the *last*
carburetor-equipped car sold in the USA, but they've been gone for a while 
now.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:21:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Doug's cam bank angle question

At 07:46 PM 6/12/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Here's what precipitated my signing on the list... recently received
>a copy of Joe Mondello's Olds V8 Tech Ref manual.  Lotsa good info!

Yeah, but for $25, I'd like a binding with more than staples... :)

>My question is, have we, as a group of enthusiasts, ever been able to
>definitively figure out what cars or model years or whatever, used
>which 425?  Did we know about this for the 330?  BTW, lifter bore on
>330s was all .842, sez Joe.  I haven't scoped out the archives for this
>stuff either, but will do so!  Regards,  Doug

For the 425's, if it had the big lifter (.921"), it had the 39' bank; these
were the Toronado and the Starfire engines (i.e. the high-performance
425's). If it had the .842" lifters, it was the 45' lifter bank block. I
can't say about the 400ci motors.

And yes, it's in the FAQ too, I believe. Don't have a clue as to those 39'
330 blocks; maybe late production?
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:44:19 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> At 06:54 PM 6/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >> On the 60/40 bench seat setup, if I were to find another driver's seat
> >> (AKA: 40) would it be possible to swap seat tracks from the seats,
> >> making to driver's seats, or a 40/40 with a 20 gap for the console?
>
> Jerry, I'm not sure about the Cutlass Supremes, but in our old Ciera wagon
> (and my parents' '79 Grand Prix), the driver's side was 60% of the bench
> and the passenger side was the 40%.  So in effect, wouldn't you need
> another passenger side to put on the driver's side, to make it 40%/40%?

These seats are the 60% on the pass side...  Making the driver's seat
the 40.

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:48:13 PDT
From: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: fuel gauge

>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:45:58 -0400
>From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
>To: carpenterm@ccmail.nevada.edu
>Cc: oldsdoug@hotmail.com, toro@armchair.mb.ca
>Subject: fuel gauge
>
>Saw your question about your fuel gauge reading way over full on the
Bryce
>page... somehow you've lost the ground at the sending unit.  Do you
have a shop
>manual?  Should be a trouble-shooting tree in there describing this
symptom.
>The sending unit has a ground wire soldered to it, and the other end is
attached
>to the frame crossmember above the gas tank.
>
>Good luck, let me know how you manage!
>
>Doug Kitchener
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:54:04 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: weird parts

Weird part 1
I ran out of Freon yesterday. I'm in Texas. I was wearing polyester pants.
It was gross. Needless to say, I went to the auto parts store to buy a new
accumulator, and O-rings so that I could fix the leak. I discovered a weird
A/C setup is on my car. It's a 75 Cutlass Salon. I went to the local Delco
parts house and the guy said $140 for the "VIR." He also said that 75's
didn't have accumulators, they had VIR's. I'm not particularly familiar with
the VIR. But he brought out a contraption that I recognized as an early GM
A/C part. It was a big bottle with multiple hose inlets and obviously has an
expansion valve within. It is not what is on MY car. He couldn't help me any
further, to I went to Pep Boys. They suggested that I remove the parts and
bring them in. Did that. Turns out that I have a 1980's style accumulator
(plain aluminum cylinder on low pressure side). They didn't have it but we
found it in a book. Went to Hi/Lo and they had it. The really weird thing
is: it doesn't have an orifice tube like the 1980's model. It has an
expansion valve. The parts guy had never seen one like it. There are no part
numbers on it. It has a big hole (low side), medium hole (high side), and a
small hole (?) in which goes a small line that goes into the evap box. No it
is not the temp probe. The valve looks almost like a big brake proportioning
valve. It also has no part nos. on it.
The best I can figure, is that it has a dealer/aftermarket  A/C unit. The
compressor is Delco. This car has most of the toys. It would surprise me
that the factory would build this car without A/C.
You may be saying: so what?
I need to know if anyone has experienced this same sort of thing on
early-mid 70's cars. I was successful in reusing the valve, but someday I
will need to replace it. Where can I find something like this.

Weird part 2
This may not be weird but according to my emissions decal, the Q-jet on my
carb is supposed to have capped mixture screws. Last night I noticed that
not only are they not capped but they aren't even recessed. They stick out
1/4" or so like any old 60's Q-jet. Does it sound like the carb's been
replaced?

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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:59:00 -0500
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: So. Wisc. yards (long)

Well, I finally got to go to a REAL junkyard today.  This was my first trip
to a pick-your-own part yard.  Schmidt's Auto Salvage in Middleton (e-mail
me personally for directions) has what appears to be 30-40 Oldsmobiles
(pre-'88).  I saw one '74 (don't know what model, all ornamentation was
gone except an S on the inside of the doors) that must have been pretty
sporty at some point.  Many '78-'87 Cutlasses, many Deltas.  Couple wagons,
nothing too old.

Anyhow, I got the trim piece I needed and can get more trim stuff for
people if it is terribly necessary [I'll ship for cost of part +shipping
+gas (my '78 CS gets 10 mpg) ]

There were a few engines (350 cid or less), but I didn't look to closely.
Quite a few good gauge clusters (round speedos and rectangular).

Bob
'78 CS

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