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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 24 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1327



Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one
Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]
Re: Additives
Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]
Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]
Re: Cam Bank Angle Saga. Was Crazy Questions?
air cleaner
Re: Norwalk T-Shirt
Borla mufflers
671 Blown Olds
Re: Backfires
RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
RE: Backfires
Re: Additives
RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
RE: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Gauge
RE: Backfires?
Re: what your car says about you
Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars
71-72 W-30 Alum intake FS
RE: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
RE: what your car says about you
RE: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
Car Craft call in
Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one(plane)
RE:
Re: Borla mufflers
RE: motor oils
RE: motor oils
RE: KREEN
RE: KREEN
Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars
Re: motor oils
Looking for W/Z exhaust manifolds
RE: Looking for W/Z exhaust manifolds
Re: Olds brakes
Optimum Water Temp/Thermostat
Re: B.O.P. show and questions/rearend
'71 cutlass hood & TH-350 for sale
Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one(plane)
Re: 71 Olds
Re: Window Tint
[none]
Re: 442 for sale $700
Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side
Re: 69 H/O emblems
runs too rich, too stupid question???
Re: runs too rich, too stupid question???
Re: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Guage
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side
Re: runs too rich, too stupid question???
Backspacing
RE: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:13:48 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one

You want to haul a$$ in half time, get a plane.
Hang Onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:18:50 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]

In a message dated 98-06-24 01:10:58 EDT, you write:

<< Small piece like that, they couldn't want more than, oh, say, $75 for it!
 (Hopefully that's only a joke!)  >>

Yeah? Look in the FAQ,that yarde prolly wants $350 for it! FAQ says that coke
is like $75 IF you can find it.

But seriously, Sparky, there is a yard between Chicago and Milwaukee that has
two 1966 Toro's in it, at least one with factory carb still on. (Ask Dr.
Barry, I just mentioned same to him!)

IF one manifold has this choke coil (I'll prolly grab entire manifold) I would
be able to drag it the rest of the way North....

But....is there any way that we could spring the 425 short block earmarked for
Dr. Barry in the process?

Just asking!

  :-)}


Karl Aune
and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:36:16 -0700
From: "michael burlingame" <miburli@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Additives

Prolong works great for a while then it sounds like you have valve grinding
compound in your crankcase.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Additives


>This morning I was watching TV and saw an infomercial for Prolong Super
>Additives (I believe).Is this stuff as great as they say it is?
>--
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 SC - Frosty
>68 442 HT - Scarlet
>68 442 HT - Saffron
>82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
>http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:46:55 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]

Charley Buehner wrote:

> Is the '68 the same???  I just saw one today at a yard (*read my rape case,
> posted earlier...*)  If it'll work, let me know.  Next time I'm down there,
I'll > grab it for you.

Chuck,

Thanks for jumping in! No, the '68 is a different, although a similar divorced
choke spring set up. HOWEVER, I'm sure there are a few '68 owners that would
like to get one that works!! The last '68 I had also had a boinked spring. I
could not find one and decided to install a manual choke deal. Worked GREAT!
But not much for points!  ):

Thanks,

Sparky
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:56:18 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> Yeah? Look in the FAQ,that yarde prolly wants $350 for it! FAQ says that coke
> is like $75 IF you can find it.

Karl,

(: Well, supply and demand I guess! It does seem that there are NO current
manufacturers of this part. Question: WHO made these? GM, Rochester, Carter, or
was it jobbed out to a 3rd party?

> But seriously, Sparky, there is a yard between Chicago and Milwaukee that has
> two 1966 Toro's in it, at least one with factory carb still on. (Ask Dr.
> Barry, I just mentioned same to him!)

OK! I'll take a basket of them! (;

> IF one manifold has this choke coil (I'll prolly grab entire manifold) I 
would
> be able to drag it the rest of the way North....

NAW! No need! It comes off with one 3/8" nut and in your hands. Why lug a 50lb
intake manifold around?

> But....is there any way that we could spring the 425 short block earmarked 
for
> Dr. Barry in the process?

Argh! I'm still working on this! I'm only one man with too many Toros and too
little time!

):

Sparky
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:00:02 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cam Bank Angle Saga. Was Crazy Questions?

In  65 I had a 59 "Super 88" 4dr H.T. I also had a couple of extra J-2
intakes.( I still have one) The 59 weighed 4875#. It was fine at a light but
needed a little more mid range. I worked at an aircraft factory & had access
to a machine shop.I don't remember the angles  of the intake to head ( you
might find them in some old manual) but could come within a degree or so
&using a good non metal gasket. get a good seal. Mill the intake tothe same
angles . I think i had to take a little off of the bottom . It is a cut & try
process but it worked. Use a good progressive linkage & set it up to cruise on
the middle carb.On our honeymoon to Fla. we averaged 17.5 mpg.My wife drove 47
miles one way to Elmira to beautician school for 6 months & two of her friends
boy friend had -*hebbys. One was 57  ( i think delray) 2*3   4bbl  4  speed,
the other a 3*8  tri-power *mpala. Barbie could smoke both of them from a
light right up to what ever Lee Pettys 59 would do winning Daytona 59.
  Man what i wouldn't give to have that car back  -- even one like it.
  I have been looking for one for over twenty  years. Just missed one in Texas
a few months ago.
  If anyone knaows of one - send me a private thread.
 Thanks for letting me bend youall's ear this morning.
Roger
OCA#2753

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:07:39 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: air cleaner

I need to impose on the price gurus again.
This time the part is a "OAI air cleaner for a W-30 hood"
This piece has never been on a car it is brand new.
Thanks,

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:52:02 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Norwalk T-Shirt

Do you know who made the shirt ? What company  - S&P or who?
If one of you know  let me know & i will get in touch with them & work
something out.
Roger Utter
OCA #27353

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:31:03 -0500
From: "Kijowski, Stan" <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
Subject: Borla mufflers

What is anyone's opinion on the Borla line of mufflers? I was thinking of
putting a set on the 72 455 cutlass. Are they too loud? too wimpy? too
expensive? etc.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:32:06 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: 671 Blown Olds

Ken (good name),

You might try Dave Smith Engineering (909) 371-7040.  I know Dave and Karen
sell cams for blown and turbo applications and do some business with the boat
racing crowd, so he might have what you're looking for.

Hope this helps,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:36:34 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: Backfires

>Now, with a ECM controlled Q-Jet, the ECM will turn on EGR when
>required, and then if it does not work, it will maintain 14.7 A/F,
>because it is told to do so.  So with a E4MC car, you can disconnect >EGR
>with not much penalty?  If any?  I know the 85 G-Body 307 powered >cars
>do not have ESC, has anyone ever messed with adding it?  The pins are
>not used on the ECM.  Can I hock the ESC unit from a V6 Cutlass, and
>wire it in with the appropriate V8 sensor?    (yes, there are >specific
>freq ranges for knock sensors.  If anyone needs to know what the
>frequencies are, email me and I will post them).  I just don't know >if
>the ECM will ACCEPT a ESC signal from the controller module.

I'm all mixed up here. I got an '86 307 (vin 9, HYD) and all I can say is
that the EGR valve (if it's that flying scaucer on the driver side of the
intake manifolf) has hothing hooked to it. There's supposed to be a vaccum
line but it doesn't have it. Now, I'm planning on a Performer intake and was
thinking of ordering it non-EGR. Can I put it on and forget about EGR or
will this have an adverse effect on the engine?
Right now it does backfire sometimes when I mash the gas when COLD, not
after it warms up. I was told on the list that it could be (and from the
symptoms, I'm going with this)the timming being too advanced. Could the
mixture be leaning too much because of the EGR valve not being hooked up?

TIA,
Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:36:36 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

I got a K&N filter on my 86'442. it bieng a daily driver, do you think that
I should change it because of the dirt seepage or just keep it well oiled?
any other suggestion welcome.

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

86'442--->> 307/5A/TH-350/3.73

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Martin
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:04 AM
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
>
>
> Not to be advertising, but I did see an airflow test of an Amsoil air
> filter vs a K&N.  The Amsoil had slightly more airflow, and passed no
> perceptible dirt, while the K&N passed lots of dirt.  The K&N filter box
> says they outflow Amsoil, but they used a large filter for the K&N and a
> small one for the Amsoil.  Paper filters flowed about 50% less air then
> the Amsoil and K&N.  They did trap dirt well though.
>
> The Amsoil filter is a foam on a metal frame, oil soaked.  The Accel air
> filters are similar.
>
> (Amsoil filter is cheaper too!!)
>
> You can check them out for yourselves.
>
> Thomas Martin
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> 80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Meyer [mailto:Olds@austintx.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 10:37 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
>
>
> When I drag-raced, I cut a hole in my hood and got the biggest tallest
> K&N
> I could get (more surface area = more air flow). If you're going real
> fast
> you may have to consider aerodynamics, but if you're running anything
> over
> 10 seconds I wouldn't worry about it. K&N's seem to offer the best
> combination of low restriction and durability, but you do have to
> remember
> to oil it. A K&N without oil will still stop the big chunks, but the
> dust
> goes right through. It's like putting a few thousand miles on your motor
> every time you go down the strip.
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:43:20 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

Yes you have to wash it with this solution that K&N sells, then you can oil
it.

> ----------
> From: 	Angel Castrodad[SMTP:angleki@prtc.net]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 24, 1998 7:36 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
>
> I got a K&N filter on my 86'442. it bieng a daily driver, do you think
> that
> I should change it because of the dirt seepage or just keep it well oiled?
> any other suggestion welcome.
>
> Angel Castrodad
> angleki@prtc.net
>
> 86'442--->> 307/5A/TH-350/3.73
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Thomas Martin
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:04 AM
> > To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> > Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
> >
> >
> > Not to be advertising, but I did see an airflow test of an Amsoil air
> > filter vs a K&N.  The Amsoil had slightly more airflow, and passed no
> > perceptible dirt, while the K&N passed lots of dirt.  The K&N filter box
> > says they outflow Amsoil, but they used a large filter for the K&N and a
> > small one for the Amsoil.  Paper filters flowed about 50% less air then
> > the Amsoil and K&N.  They did trap dirt well though.
> >
> > The Amsoil filter is a foam on a metal frame, oil soaked.  The Accel air
> > filters are similar.
> >
> > (Amsoil filter is cheaper too!!)
> >
> > You can check them out for yourselves.
> >
> > Thomas Martin
> > 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> > 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> > 80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Albert Meyer [mailto:Olds@austintx.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 10:37 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
> >
> >
> > When I drag-raced, I cut a hole in my hood and got the biggest tallest
> > K&N
> > I could get (more surface area = more air flow). If you're going real
> > fast
> > you may have to consider aerodynamics, but if you're running anything
> > over
> > 10 seconds I wouldn't worry about it. K&N's seem to offer the best
> > combination of low restriction and durability, but you do have to
> > remember
> > to oil it. A K&N without oil will still stop the big chunks, but the
> > dust
> > goes right through. It's like putting a few thousand miles on your motor
> > every time you go down the strip.
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:50:38 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Backfires

Yes, if the choke is off early, and you mash it, it will backfire.  I
know that one well.  Mine usually does the first time I mash it
(passing) on cold mornings.  Usually all is ok after that.  The symptom
of EGR not connected is part throttle pinging.  Timing advanced very
rarely will cause a backfire, but retarded, it will.

Mine did it again today, no EGR connected.  Was accelerating from 30 to
60, 1/3rd throttle, AC on, TCC unlocked, 3rd gear (2.14's), and right
about 53 mph, POPPP!  The engine slows momentarily when that happens,
probably hates the pressure wave in the intake.  I will connect a
multimeter to the O2 sensor this weekend and drive it and see what it
reads like.  Maybe that will show something.

Any other ideas why a computer controlled car would run lean, and the
ECM would allow it?

Or are the "Y" engines designed to run lean?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Angel Castrodad [mailto:angleki@prtc.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 7:37 AM
To: Oldsmobile list
Subject: Re: Backfires


>Now, with a ECM controlled Q-Jet, the ECM will turn on EGR when
>required, and then if it does not work, it will maintain 14.7 A/F,
>because it is told to do so.  So with a E4MC car, you can disconnect >EGR
>with not much penalty?  If any?  I know the 85 G-Body 307 powered >cars
>do not have ESC, has anyone ever messed with adding it?  The pins are
>not used on the ECM.  Can I hock the ESC unit from a V6 Cutlass, and
>wire it in with the appropriate V8 sensor?    (yes, there are >specific
>freq ranges for knock sensors.  If anyone needs to know what the
>frequencies are, email me and I will post them).  I just don't know >if
>the ECM will ACCEPT a ESC signal from the controller module.

I'm all mixed up here. I got an '86 307 (vin 9, HYD) and all I can say
is
that the EGR valve (if it's that flying scaucer on the driver side of
the
intake manifolf) has hothing hooked to it. There's supposed to be a
vaccum
line but it doesn't have it. Now, I'm planning on a Performer intake and
was
thinking of ordering it non-EGR. Can I put it on and forget about EGR or
will this have an adverse effect on the engine?
Right now it does backfire sometimes when I mash the gas when COLD, not
after it warms up. I was told on the list that it could be (and from the
symptoms, I'm going with this)the timming being too advanced. Could the
mixture be leaning too much because of the EGR valve not being hooked
up?

TIA,
Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Additives

I put PROLONG in my car for the first time during my last oil change.
As far as i can tell it's better than any other product that I've
used.  Only had it in there for about 600 miles, but there is a
noticeable difference.  I did the whole system, fuel treatment,
tranny, and engine.  So far I am pleased with the results.

  Just my 2 cents.

   Stefan
   sgadecki@yahoo.com
   1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe



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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:03:05 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

The make hundreds of filters, for nearly all makes and years.  (Not sure
of the Hemi or 440 6pk, yet....)  They are  100% drop in replacements.
They also have the ones like K&N has for bolting right on the Throttle
Body on FI cars.

Hope that helps!

Tom

- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDY A GEISEL [mailto:RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 4:08 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations


Trust me, the foam in the Edelbrock filter disintegrates. I pulled dime
size
pieces of it out of my carb and intake. Does the Amsoil filter cover the
top
of the carb as does the Edelbrock. Or just the sides like a paper
filter?

Randy


>I honestly don't know, the metal frame will keep it on the outside of
>the filter, so that is not bad, but I have never heard of a filter
>melting from a backfire.  Amsoil has a warranty to cover
>Live and Learn!
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:07:17 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Gauge

I do need one for the mid eighty's cars, (Need ECM speed sensor
provision)

Not sure of going prices.  Let me know!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner [mailto:buehner@lyrea.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 10:18 PM
To: Oldsmobile Mailing List
Subject: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Guage


What's the going rate for these packages?  Heard a rumor of one f/s
locally.
Half tempted to get it for the 82, not sure yet.  Supposedly complete,
with
tach.  Have to go look at it and find a $$$ for it.  Anyone in dire need
of one?
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:13:28 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Backfires?

The computer makes advances on the timing, but timing you set is the
BASELINE, it advances from there.  So at idle if you are running 50
degrees (normal for an ECM car!) timing, the computer ADDED 30 to the
baseline of 20, got it?  so yes, the ECM really could care less about
what you set it at.  But if you retard it, you will kill off some
vacuum, and that will fool the ECM into thinking you are under heavier
load, and decrease timing more, and increase fuel ratio.  Basically give
you bad mileage.  So you have room to play, just not as much as before.
My HEI cap has most of of the wear at the edge of the contacts.  So it
stays VERY advanced most of the time.  Like any car for emissions and
fuel economy should.

I do hope to advance the cam this summer, should help more.......

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com [mailto:KarlAune@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 11:17 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Backfires?


In a message dated 98-06-23 10:31:14 EDT, you write:

<<  I wonder if the ECM is trying to lean it out for EGR
 and 307, and it is too much.  I can trick the O2 sensor and make it
 richer, I guess that is something to play with! >>

Uhhhh...so you disconnected the EGR on a computer control (freak) car?
Won't that be worse?

<< The timing is set very close to stock (20 degrees), maybe 22,>>

Maybe?

I did not think computer control (freak) cars would tolerate advance.
You do have a timing chain, right?
Has anything been done with the distributor (like removal and
re-insertion)?

<< is ElectronicSpark Control.  When detonation/pinging is detected from
the
knock sensor, the controller (not COMPUTER!) >>

Urh?
Yah, sure. Not computer. Whatever.   :)

FWIW my mechanical setup works just fine.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:22:34 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: what your car says about you

In a message dated 98-06-21 07:27:26 EDT, you write:

<< The diesel is actually more environmentally friendly, with lower emissions
 and higher fuel economy. >>

That may be true, but have you ever gotten stuck behind a bus in the summer?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:37:44 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars

In a message dated 98-06-22 21:34:06 EDT, you write:

<< Eric, here is <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/wmachines">the correct link
</A>
 .

Once you get to this page you can move around within the site.


Mark Hahn

75 Delta 88 Royale Conv

  >>
Sorry Eric, gave you the wrong case on letters. The correct address for the
Street Rocket page is http://members.aol.com/WMACHINES/site5.html    The other
link provided is for my W Machine home page.  Thanks Mark H and Eric

Later
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:47:44 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: 71-72 W-30 Alum intake FS

Ok gang, here are the details.  I have in my possesion one 1971-72 W-30 alum
intake forsale.  It says Olds-455.  Now the intake has had some cracks
repaired.  I am going to get some pics of it tomorrow.  Anyway, I am asking
400.00 firm plus shipping costs.  The repairs were done really nice.  I took
the intake to Lansing Homecoming, but no one was looking to unload 400.
Please email me directly or call me before 2:00PM eastern. Also the date on
the bottom of the intake is Sept 71.  Thanks Mark

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30
wmachines@aol.com
313-336-8135

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:53:34 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body

Is there an aftermarket proportioning valve that can be used with the
factory G-body disc/drum setup?

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

86'442--->> 307/5A/TH-350/3.73

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 5:15 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
>
>
> Brakes are funny, my Cutlass, with good / new brakes, brakes hard enough
> on the back that on Gravel, there is a range of braking where the
> rear-tires lock and fronts spin, allowing for real-tight cornering (Not
> to be abused, less a good Car get wrecked!)  Maybe a 1/2 crimped Line
> somewhere is giving more pressure to that tire?  I know on my mom's car,
> it will pull a bit to the side the odd time in the winter, due to the
> ralley rim's allowing more snow/ice onto the disks (serious!)
>
> Whatever it is, it would be interesting to find out.
>
> Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> > My dad had always complained that his Cutlass (1985) would lock up the
> > right rear tire in hard braking.  Now that I have the car, I can
> > confirm.
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:47:43 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: what your car says about you

Go to Colorado Springs, the big GM busses have the state's CLEAN AIR
program billboards on them, and they have so much black smoke coming out
(6000 ft alt) you can hardly breathe.  Some CLEAN AIR program!!  I'll
take the Natural Gas busses ANY DAY!!!!

- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com [mailto:JonKrisInc@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:23 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: what your car says about you


In a message dated 98-06-21 07:27:26 EDT, you write:

<< The diesel is actually more environmentally friendly, with lower
emissions
 and higher fuel economy. >>

That may be true, but have you ever gotten stuck behind a bus in the
summer?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:03:29 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body

Contact GM Motorsports.  They have them.  Adjustable with a knob.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Angel Castrodad [mailto:angleki@prtc.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:54 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body


Is there an aftermarket proportioning valve that can be used with the
factory G-body disc/drum setup?

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

86'442--->> 307/5A/TH-350/3.73

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 5:15 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
>
>
> Brakes are funny, my Cutlass, with good / new brakes, brakes hard enough
> on the back that on Gravel, there is a range of braking where the
> rear-tires lock and fronts spin, allowing for real-tight cornering (Not
> to be abused, less a good Car get wrecked!)  Maybe a 1/2 crimped Line
> somewhere is giving more pressure to that tire?  I know on my mom's car,
> it will pull a bit to the side the odd time in the winter, due to the
> ralley rim's allowing more snow/ice onto the disks (serious!)
>
> Whatever it is, it would be interesting to find out.
>
> Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> > My dad had always complained that his Cutlass (1985) would lock up the
> > right rear tire in hard braking.  Now that I have the car, I can
> > confirm.
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:26:50 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Car Craft call in

I just got my copy of the July Car Craft and saw they have a reader's poll
to find out what cars would people like to see more and less of. But they
went as far as printing "as if the answer to the later won't be Chebby.
Sorry". By calling 213-782-2018 by June 30 you get 10 seconds to tell them
(yes, voice mail) to start running REAL Olds articles in their pages and
keep Chebby in the Chebby Performance magazine. C'mon people, take those
phones to your driveway and let them know what a REAL car sounds like.

Now, for the Chebby fans out there. Sorry. But I'm getting tyred of seeing
"horsepower secrets" for the Chev 350 in every Hot Rod and Car Craft. And
yes, I just might unsubscribe from both. Hmphh!!!!!

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net

86'442--->> 307/5A/TH-350/3.73

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:40:01 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one(plane)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Rivier <crivier@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one


>You want to haul a$$ in half time, get a plane.
>Hang Onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!
>
>Chris Rivier


I do, I fly a 550 Horsepower turboprop, and it has 1315ft/lbs. of
torque! 285 knots max, which is well over 300mph.

- -Greg
Navy flight school, Pensacola, Florida.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:43:27 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:

Sounds like you will have a real screamer!  Excellent driving manners
too.  Mine flies once up to 65 mph in second, and keeps pulling like
gangbusters at WOT.  (2.14 gears, THM200C)

The only thing that will hurt your emissions is the lack of AIR pump,
unless you have 5A heads from the 307, use them, and then you can retain
the AIR pump.  Else, you can get them, they have 64 cc chambers, the 350
3A heads have 67.  So slightly higher compression.  I have heard the
computer chip is a waste of money, but I cannot say, I haven't used one.
 The computer seems to like the higher vacuum, mainly stronger.  It does
not drop like the 307's did.  I have swapped to the Hooker duals, (no
cat) and it is a stronger change than just swapping the 350!!  But the
ECM does not mind it at all.  Vacuum is not an issue with the 307 to 350
swap.

I left timing pretty much where Olds set it, as to your gear change, it
will probably be fine, as long as the new chip you have is designed for
it.  Not sure what changes are done from 2.56 to 3.73.  You would do
best with a 442 chip in this combo, if you can get one made for you.  It
matches the gearing and such perfectly.

The 350 is closer related to the "9" HO 307 than the "Y" 307.  The "Y"
has lots of improvements like roller cam, full floating wrist pins, etc.
 The 442 engine does not.  The "Y" is more like the Diesel, just
lighter.

What you will need is exhaust manifolds from a 5A headed 307.  You need
the O2 sensor.  You can use the drivers side manifold from any Cutlass
from 75 to 88, and the pass side must be any rear drive Olds from 81 to
88.  Unless your car has the cast iron manifolds factory.  My 85 had
tubular steel, and friend of mine had a 86 regal with cast iron, another
friend has an 88 wagon with cast iron.  The Tubular steel manifolds will
not work on 5A heads or earlier.  The 7A heads had the Tubular Steel
manifolds.  They flow about the same, but they have less flange material
and the opening will not match the older big ports.

Else, all is a direct bolt in.

Recap

1.  AIR pump will not work on 350, unless you use 5A heads or 7A heads
(7A read, TINY ports)

2.  Exhaust manifolds must be the cast iron variety, Tubular Steel will
work only on 7A heads.  And must have O2 sensor provision.  Still bolts
up to existing exhaust with no problem.

3.  Motor Mounts are the same, my THM200C converter and trans bolted up
perfectly.  (Dipstick bolt is a PAIN!!!)

4.  All of my emissions hookups are in place, except the AIR and now the
Cat, I plan on reinstalling the cat soon, as I am ok with it, it doesn't
hurt much.  My cat rusted apart.

5.  Took me a day to swap in a barn, (bad are to do it) and another to
get it running and drive home.

I think I remember it all, if anyone else remembers something I missed,
please chime in!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: erik HILL [mailto:ehill@gowebway.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 5:15 AM
To: Thomas Martin
Subject:


>
> hello thomas,
>
> I see that you have a G-body with the 350 "on the computer"
> I'm going to do this swap before, and drive it to, the Olds Nationals
next
> month.
>
> What should I expect in the following areas:
>
> 1) [computer controlled via  hypertech 307 stage II]  performance.
>
> 2) computer controlled emission output.
>
> 3) did the vacuum signal change, or change anything the computer looked
at.
>
> 4) base  timing change/adjustment
>
> 5) swapping the 256 to a 373 rear
>
> thanks,
> erik hill
> '88 cutl.sup.clsc
> 307yci.200-r4
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:12:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Borla mufflers

>What is anyone's opinion <snipped>
>
That's all you'll get from me -- opinion. I looked into Borlas. Great idea
- --stainless steel. Pricey. Can't see paying for stainless mufflers unless
getting whole stainless exhaust system --- very pricey -- and simply not
avail for all apps.                                              ^^^^^^^

.02
roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:14:32 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: motor oils

I tried that address and it wasn't working

> ----------
> From: 	Sx455@aol.com[SMTP:Sx455@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:32 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	motor oils
>
> i've seen quite a few post lately about motor oils . theres a good article
> on
> the dragnet drag racing home page . its called all you ever wanted to know
> about motor oil. it also has a data sheet comparing all the major brand
> oils.
> the dragnet home page is at    http://www.rconcepts.corn/beard/dragnet/
> sx455 rick watts
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:15:50 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: motor oils

The link has a typo, http://www.rconcepts.com/beard/dragnet works.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam [mailto:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 10:15 AM
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Cc: 'Sx455@aol.com'
Subject: RE: motor oils


I tried that address and it wasn't working

> ----------
> From: 	Sx455@aol.com[SMTP:Sx455@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:32 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	motor oils
>
> i've seen quite a few post lately about motor oils . theres a good article
> on
> the dragnet drag racing home page . its called all you ever wanted to know
> about motor oil. it also has a data sheet comparing all the major brand
> oils.
> the dragnet home page is at    http://www.rconcepts.corn/beard/dragnet/
> sx455 rick watts
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:23:25 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: KREEN

After some ransacking of the Internet I finally found the source
for Kreen, at http://www.kanolabs.com in a listing for a whole
bunch of products made by the company.

Here's what it says about Kreen in particular. Note that it's
said to be an internal engine "cleaner" rather than an additive,
FWIW, and yes, they also have an _external_ engine cleaner to go
with it:

> Internal Engine Cleaner - Improves Performance
> Guaranteed to improve your engines [sic] performance. When added to
> either the gas or oil, of your engine, Kreen dissolves the carbon
> deposit buildups and varnishing to Improve Compression · Increase
> Gas Mileage · Reduce Downtime · Restore Power By thoroughly
> cleaning the rings, valve, and fuel injectors - Kreen gives new
> life back in any gas or diesel engine.
> Money Back Guarantee
> Order direct or for more information
> 800-311-3374

I'm a little surprised to see them recommending that you toss it
in _either_ the gas or oil, but there you have it. Caveat Emptor.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:24:31 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: KREEN

Sounds like Marvel Mystery Oil!

I think it is just Kerosene......

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green [mailto:acg_o@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 10:23 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: KREEN


After some ransacking of the Internet I finally found the source
for Kreen, at http://www.kanolabs.com in a listing for a whole
bunch of products made by the company.

Here's what it says about Kreen in particular. Note that it's
said to be an internal engine "cleaner" rather than an additive,
FWIW, and yes, they also have an _external_ engine cleaner to go
with it:

> Internal Engine Cleaner - Improves Performance
> Guaranteed to improve your engines [sic] performance. When added to
> either the gas or oil, of your engine, Kreen dissolves the carbon
> deposit buildups and varnishing to Improve Compression * Increase
> Gas Mileage * Reduce Downtime * Restore Power By thoroughly
> cleaning the rings, valve, and fuel injectors - Kreen gives new
> life back in any gas or diesel engine.
> Money Back Guarantee
> Order direct or for more information
> 800-311-3374

I'm a little surprised to see them recommending that you toss it
in _either_ the gas or oil, but there you have it. Caveat Emptor.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:27:20 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars

Did some searching and found it the hard way thanks!

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-06-22 21:34:06 EDT, you write:
>
> << Eric, here is <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/wmachines">the correct link
> </A>
>  .
>
> Once you get to this page you can move around within the site.
>
>
> Mark Hahn
>
> 75 Delta 88 Royale Conv
>
>   >>
> Sorry Eric, gave you the wrong case on letters. The correct address for the
> Street Rocket page is http://members.aol.com/WMACHINES/site5.html    The 
other
> link provided is for my W Machine home page.  Thanks Mark H and Eric
>
> Later
> W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
> 1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:30:37 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: motor oils

Me too!

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> I tried that address and it wasn't working
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Sx455@aol.com[SMTP:Sx455@aol.com]
> > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent:         Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:32 PM
> > To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject:      motor oils
> >
> > i've seen quite a few post lately about motor oils . theres a good article
> > on
> > the dragnet drag racing home page . its called all you ever wanted to know
> > about motor oil. it also has a data sheet comparing all the major brand
> > oils.
> > the dragnet home page is at    http://www.rconcepts.corn/beard/dragnet/
> > sx455 rick watts
> >

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:57:58 -0700
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Looking for W/Z exhaust manifolds

I am looking for W/Z exhaust manifolds for my 70 442.  If you have some for
sale or know of some for sale please email me at mschlott@rsn.hp.com or
call me at 972-487-4722.

Also, Is anyone interested in the headers I have on the car now?  They are
leaking at the head end on the pasenger side.  If no one wants them It is
much easier for me to remove them.  Read(Cut them out).  I have to cut the
collecter end any way.  They are welded to the exhaust pipe.

	Thanks for any leads in advance.

	mike

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:02:40 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Looking for W/Z exhaust manifolds

Mike,
What brand are the headers on the car?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>Also, Is anyone interested in the headers I have on the car now?  They are
>leaking at the head end on the pasenger side.  If no one wants them It is
>much easier for me to remove them.  Read(Cut them out).  I have to cut the
>collecter end any way.  They are welded to the exhaust pipe.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:07:50 +0200
From: "F.J.R. de Neys" <ron.deneys@wxs.nl>
Subject: Re: Olds brakes

F.J.R. de Neys wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking for front brake rotor part no. for a 72 Olds Cutlass supreme
> (hardtop coupe).
> I am looking for a junk yard in Holland to get these parts but it's very
> hard without these numbers.
>
> I'd also like the know the publisher that has got a shop manual in their
> programm for the above car.
>
> I'm thankfull for all the help you can give me
>
> Ron de Neys
> ron.deneys@wxs.nl

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:03:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Optimum Water Temp/Thermostat

Does anyone know what thermostat is recommended for a w-30? Does a 195
degree thermostat provide the optimum temp for complete combustion?

BTW, with the recent talk of Prolong I wonder if it has anything to do
with Viagra?

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:14:18 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: B.O.P. show and questions/rearend

'67s aren't unique.  '66 & '67 10-bolts are the same, '65s and '64s, I
believe, though not the same fit with the same width. '68s & up are wider.
Help Padavano, is this correct?

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: B.O.P. show and questions
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 11:12 PM
>
> I had to put a new rear in my 67 a couple of years ago,  unfortunately
> they're unique..1' longer  on each side than a 68 or a 66.  I think I
> ended up with some bu*ck one in there or something.  I usually get
> plenty of laughs from mechanics when it comes to finding stuff for a
> 67...
>
> art
>
> Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > ok,
> > at the cleveland B.O.P. show i picked up a 68 steering coloum with a
wood
> > grain wheel still on it.......$30. guy who sold it to me had just sold
a nice
> > 71-72 dash pad with a complete ralley pack still in it. he sold it for
get
> > this.....$40!!!!!! couldnt believe it. saw the guy unloading his stuff
earlier
> > so passed him up and decided to come back later. am i stupid or what?
> >
> > now the questions:
> > 1) will the 68 woodgrain wheel fit on my 67 column????
> >
> > 2) i would like to put a posi in my 67. what years will interchange in
> > there??? 65,66,68,69??????
> >
> > any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Brent
> > 1967 cutlass convertible

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:19:43 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: '71 cutlass hood & TH-350 for sale

In Washington D.C. area (Virginia), I have the original hood from my
'71 cutlass supreme for sale.  The clear coat has pealed, but you
would repaint it anyway.  It's in perfect shape, no dents or rust.
Without trim.  $180.

Also, I have the the TH-350 tranny, which works perfectly, and has a
shift kit along with a new stock rating torque converter.  It's a '78
model year so the only difference is you use two metric bolts on the
tranny mounting pad as opposed to regular English bolts.  They only
reason I pulled it out was that I  wanted to put the matching numbers
tranny back in.   $200

email if interested.
- -greg
zimmermangm@msn.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:12:30 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one(plane)

Greg,

SALUTE!!!  I have an uncle that's retired Navy down there in Milton.

Best wishes from an ex-jarhead (3rd and 4th MAW)

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:44:48 EDT
From: <WheelTrdr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 71 Olds

Does  the  car  have  any  options ?  Fastback / or / holiday ?  Where  is  it
located ? >>>To  keep  clutter  off  the  list  you  can  respond  directly
to :Wheel Trdr @ aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:03:24 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Window Tint

In a message dated 98-06-22 20:26:56 EDT, you write:

<<  Am I the only one bothered by this?  In what appears to be a classic
    case of the government over-specifying a requirement,  >>

How would you like to be a cop stopping a car with a would-be felon with dark
tinted windows?  How would you like to be an innocent driver of a car with
dark tinted windows and have a nervous cop with a gun approaching you.
Frankly, I don't have a problem with those regulations. (besides, if you have
a cool car, don't you want everyone to know its YOU?)
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:19:27 -0700
From: Rick Amado <rickamado@earthlink.net>
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile-digest

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:30:59 EDT
From: <WheelTrdr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 442 for sale $700

In a message dated 6/22/98 7:56:37 PM Central Daylight Time, Surmise@aol.com
writes:

<< Location: CA

 muscle car    olds 442

 1976 olds  body in good shape, interior seats need repair. 350 engine factory
 built. yours for $700.00 or best offer.  Call 213 254-0144 or 213 258-4885

 If my posting other peoples ads drives you guys crazy let me know.

 John Stowe
 Surmise@aol.com 67 442 >>

John
          This  kind  of  stuff  is  why  I  put  up  with  deleting  9,000
BS  messages  from  the  list , like : "They  said  nice  xyZ   not  Cutlass
etc. "  Thanks  >>Al  /  Wheel Trdr

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:33:34 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

Hello everyone - the question I have is, why is my tilt steering wheel in
my '85 Cutlass Salon starting to wobble side-to-side a bit?  The wobble is
not too bad but it is noticeable.  There is not much play up and down, just
a bit side-to-side.  Wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered
this and knows what the fix is (and how difficult it is to do).  I haven't
done any work on either of my Cutlasses on the steering system, so this is
an area I'm not too knowledgable in.

The steering seems to be working fine, except the wobble is annoying.  If
it doesn't get worse, is it OK to continue driving as-is?

TIA, all help appreciated.

Tom
'85 Cutlass Salon

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:46:30 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O emblems

<< > I'm in the last stretch of my 69 H/O resto, does anyone have experience
 > restoring the 3 external emblems? Any words of wisdom would be
 > appreciated.
 >
 > Also, I am short one of these emblems, does anyone know where I might be
 > able to find one of these guys?
 >
 Berejik Olds, Needham, MA has them.  781-444-4797 >>

Nope... I called, and they are out and do not have any more on order. Anyone
know of any other source?

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:00:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: runs too rich, too stupid question???

Hi,

just wondering why nobody responded to my following post!? Please HELP!

George


Dear List,

Fist of all: sorry for asking about a Lin***n on this list but I am
really kind of hopeless...

My Lincoln (V8 460) runs much too rich and I can't figure out what the
problem is. The whole emmission control is vacuum controlled... Friends of
mine say I should just get a rebuilt carburetor but if I recall it
correctly the former owner had put in a rebuilt one only 1.5 years ago
(10000 miles ago). It is a 4barrel carb.
What could be the reason for it to run that rich and what would you
suggest to do?
I just don't want to spend the money on another carb. to find out that
something else is the problem.

Thanks so much for your help!

Regards,

George



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'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental (like new, everyday driver, FOR SALE!)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:09:07 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: runs too rich, too stupid question???

> just wondering why nobody responded to my following post!? Please HELP!

> Fist of all: sorry for asking about a Lin***n on this list but I am
> really kind of hopeless...
>
> My Lincoln (V8 460) runs much too rich and I can't figure out what the
> problem is. The whole emmission control is vacuum controlled...

I wonder also.  Maybe no one here knows anything about them?  I sure
don't.  But you might try to check all your vacuum lines for loose,
broken/cracked conditions.  Also, the carb calibrations may be hosed.
Is this thing using a FoMoCo carb or a holley?  Tweak your carb idle
screws somewhat and see if this doesn't help.  Also, your choke may be
sticking shut, ensure it's free operation.  Could also be a mis-adjusted
float setting.  Too high, and you get bleedover/richness.

Just some shots in the dark.  Now you KNOW why you should just stick to
Oldsmobile  ;-)  To all you young'ns out there, take heed.  See the
problems you have with anything other than OLDS???  Sorry George, I
can't help myself.....nothing personal.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:25:18 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Guage

Charley, when I have them I sell them for anywhere from $20 in beat up shape to
$45 for a mint package, that includes any wiring, etc.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project



>What's the going rate for these packages?  Heard a rumor of one f/s locally.
>Half tempted to get it for the 82, not sure yet.  Supposedly complete, with
>tach.  Have to go look at it and find a $$$ for it.  Anyone in dire need of
one? >-- >The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage >OldsList Vital Info:
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm >

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Charley, when I have them I sell them for anywhere from $20 in beat up shape to
$45 for a mint package, that includes any wiring, etc.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project



>What's the going rate for these packages?  Heard a rumor of one f/s locally.
>Half tempted to get it for the 82, not sure yet.  Supposedly complete, with
>tach.  Have to go look at it and find a $$$ for it.  Anyone in dire need of
one? >-- >The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage >OldsList Vital Info:
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm >

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:28:22 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

Hello everyone - the question I have is, why is my tilt steering wheel in
my '85 Cutlass Salon starting to wobble side-to-side a bit?


Tom, the problem is more than likely the bolts that hold it together....they
seem to loosen up, and the plate they bolt to also cracks sometimes. They also
tend to loosen up/break when people use the wheel to help themselves in and
out of the car, especially on the full size trucks. If you want specifices, I
can go down in my garage and look at the one I have halfway apart. If I
remember correctly, you should be able to get to them by taking the wheel off,
and the ignition switch loose. There are three bolts that have kin of odd
heads on them. A 6 point will work, I'm pretty sure. Good luck. Dorian
                                  '86 Salon

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:32:10 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: runs too rich, too stupid question???

> I wonder also. Maybe no one here knows anything about them? I sure
> don't.  But you might try to check all your vacuum lines for loose,
> broken/cracked conditions.  Also, the carb calibrations may be
> hosed.

Seems to me that some F*rds have a lot of trouble with EGR passages
getting glopped up, which could lead to richer mixtures (in a sense,
since the exhaust mix isn't coming in).

> See the problems you have with anything other than OLDS???
> Sorry George, I can't help myself.....nothing personal.

Yes, but keep in mind that he's using this as his daily driver,
thus saving his Olds from the indignities of rain, dirt, parking
lot door dingers, etc., which is as it should be.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:39:24 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Backspacing

What is the difference between backspacing and offset?

This quote from the GN site is why I ask:

"Turbo Regals with the exception of GNXs were factory equipped with
P215/65R15 Goodyear Eagle GTs. These tires were non-speed-rated and were
NOT all-season radials.
White letter Goodyear GTs of the same size were an option. The tires
were mounted on either chrome-plated steel wheels ('86/'87 GN) or ribbed
aluminum wheels ('84/85 GN,
'86 T-Type & '87 Turbo-T). There were other wheels available for other
turbo-packaged Regals but these are the two most common styles. Both
styles were 15"x7". '86/'87 GN
wheels had a 3mm negative offset and 4" of rear backspacing. The
aluminum wheels had 3 3/4" of rear backspacing. The circle bolt pattern
was 5 X 4 3/4 inches.

The GNXs came with P245/50VR16 Goodyear Gatorbacks on the front and
P255/50VR16 on the rear. They were black letter, NOT all-season, and
mounted on 16'x8" modular
style wheels with a black center section and polished rims. The front
had a 15mm positive offset and the rear, a 23mm positive. "

So, as offset and backspacing are not the same, what are the definitions
of such?



>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:40:13 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

I know this well, it sucks!  ftp://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/tech/steering.txt

Visit this site, good info on how to do it.  My 1991 Bonneville had the
same problem, no matter what you do, it will get worse.  Fix it when it
is warm, not 10 degrees out when I HAD to.  It will not fall off, that
much is safe, but it will get scary.

If you need advice, I can help, having done it.

For those of you with G-Body questions, visit the GN site, there is a
wealth of information there that covers the G-Body car.
http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/  It is worth the surf!!



Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Q. Bartee [mailto:tbartee@mitre.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 2:34 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side


Hello everyone - the question I have is, why is my tilt steering wheel
in
my '85 Cutlass Salon starting to wobble side-to-side a bit?  The wobble
is
not too bad but it is noticeable.  There is not much play up and down,
just
a bit side-to-side.  Wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered
this and knows what the fix is (and how difficult it is to do).  I
haven't
done any work on either of my Cutlasses on the steering system, so this
is
an area I'm not too knowledgeable in.

The steering seems to be working fine, except the wobble is annoying.
If
it doesn't get worse, is it OK to continue driving as-is?

TIA, all help appreciated.

Tom
'85 Cutlass Salon

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