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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 23 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1386



Re: 69 442 Parts
Re: transmissions
RE: Transmissions
Re: Brakes still not right
RE: Transmissions
RE:  question about vacuum
54 Olds 88
Re: THM200 4R vs THM700 R4
Re: 69 442 Parts
list suggestions
Texas Heatwave Show
Olds IRC 'Rocket Talk'
RE: 69 brake drum color
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1383
197 Oldsmobile Cutlass S floor mats
Hah!  A good day...
Re: 69 brake drum color
Re: Hah!  A good day...
Re: Hah! A good day...
1970 Cutlass S
Re: Hah! A good day...
Re: off topic...200/400r4
Re: off topic...200/400r4
Re: Front Clip for 68 Cutlass S
Re: Transmissions
How much oil?
BOP 700-R4
RE: media for paint stripping??
Re: BOP 700-R4
Re: Decoding a 62
Re: Re: 69 442 Parts
Re: Re: 69 442 Parts
NHTSA Investigations (Was Re: UNBOUNCE: Door Latch)
UNBOUNCE: '54 Olds 88 Parts Needed
Reminder: Chicago area, Aug. 2, '98: Illinois Rail Museum Car  Meet
[none]
Looking for Qudrajet
Re: More Olds on TV...
442 $ Value
oopsie
Re: More Olds on TV...
Re: Ported vacuum to distributer? (mail #2)
Bucket seats
Re: Fuel Lines for a 425 1966
'65 Cutlass A/C Questions?????
'69 Transmission Pan Color??
(no subject)
Re: Bucket seats
Re: Brakes still not right
Re: How much oil?
Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?
Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Re: '69 Transmission Pan Color??
Re: 69 442 brake drum color
Re: media for paint stripping??
Re: '69 Transmission Pan Color??
Re: Still More Olds on TV/movies
Re: Voltage vs Current
Re: Brakes still not right
Rocket Talk
Re: 69 442 Parts
Re: 69 brake drum color

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:13:34 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 Parts

wayne where are you located at?

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:18:11 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: Re: transmissions

><snip> its designed for higher torque, harder output, the use it in the
>Automatic versions of the Corvette. Not sure what kinda car your planning
on
>putting it in, but, it can take a pretty good beating. Nothing wrong with
the
>200R4 mind you, but, the 700R4 is a step up in my book. The gearing ratio
is
>also different, 200 is a bit better off the line acording to car craft, but
not
>as good top speed or at handleing low end torque. My 2 cents

The 200R4 transmission can be easily built to handle a ton of torque and
horsepower by a good transmission builder.  The Buick Turbo Regal community
has them in a ton of 12 to high 9 second cars and are very reliable.  Those
turbo Buicks have a ton of torque!!  I don't see a problem using them in a
high performance application for any vehicle high 9 second or slower.  Only
thing they don't work well with is trans breaks.  Need a Turbo 400 and Ford
9-inch for that.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:24:38 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Transmissions

>Well my 455 Olds in my 72 has been dyoned an puts out 540 LBS to torque and
>440 horsepower. Could a beefed up 200R4 handle that?? The torque monster...
>Pettrix@prodigy.net

Not a doubt in my mind!  Just need a builder that knows what they are doing.
If you want one shipped to you I know some places that build awsome 200R4's.
Check out Level 10 Performance and Art Carr on the web.  I also know a guy
in a near by town that has built them reliably for some low 11 sec and mid
10 sec Buick Grand Nationals.  Maybe he would ship you one?

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:23:32 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes still not right

the sure fire way to adjust drum brakes is to adjust them all the way till
the wheel won't turn then back the adjusters of till they do there should
be a slight drag but not a lot
if they bench bled the master properly then there should be no air in the
lines
here is a little trick get a hold of 3 pair of vise grips put them on the
two flex hoses up front and the one on the rear hop in the car try the
peddle if it's better stay in the car and have someone remove the vise
grips (start with the rear)there should be a small drop in the peddle each
time a vise grip is removed if there is a big drop in the peddle then you
just found the problem wheel more than likely adjustment
if there is no change with the vise grips on you got air in the lines or a
bad master(if you bought a rebuilt master i would start with that)9 years
in the biz i won't install a rebuilt to unpredictable
well give that a try and let me know what happened
rick
1972 442
truric@imag.net

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:46:32 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Transmissions

>B&M lists their streep/strip THM 700-R4 as capable of handling UP TO 450
ft-
>lbs of torque. They of course, don't list the 200-4R. It probably all
depends
>how they are built, and I bet anything that handles above 450 ft-lbs of
torque
>will not be very streetable at all.  Dorian

A heavily built 200-4R is very streetable!  Almost all the Turbo Buicks that
have them also drive them on the street often.  Many are even daily drivers!
Jegs sells a built 200-4R for Turbo Regals that are junk.  People that have
purchased them shred them in short order and shifts like a Caddy.  A
talented builder is the key.  It's not for your average tranny shop to
build.   Mine is heavily built and I drive it on the street all of the time.
They shift softer at normal driving and shift harder the more throttle you
give it.  They adjust internal pressures off the dent cable.  No vacuum.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:01:38 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE:  question about vacuum

>i put a bigger cam in it and higher compression ratio  the cam specs i
>know are this   .490 lift on both valves   280degrees of duration  if more
is
>needed i can provide i've rebuilt the carb several times and i do not think
my
>problem is there  is my cam too radical?

Your cam sounds like the Comp Cams Magnum 280.  I had one in my built Olds
350 at one time.  I didn't have a vacuum or idle problem with mine.  I don't
remember what the vacuum was at idle.  I used a 3310 750cfm Holley carb and
it idled perfectly at 650 rpm.  I think you have a vacuum leak somewhere or
problem with your carb.  I have a huge roller cam in my Hurst now and it has
10 inches of vacuum.  I used the same identical 3310 Holley and it idles
perfectly at 650 rpm.  Never dies at a light.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: RLTAYLOR@webtv.net (Ron Taylor)
Subject: 54 Olds 88

   I'm trying to locate a cylinder head for a 1954 Olds.(V8). Other
parts will as so be needed at a later date.

PEACE ,LOVE & JOY

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:20:01 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: THM200 4R vs THM700 R4

In a message dated 98-07-22 17:06:17 EDT, you write:

<<
 One of the trans shops (I think it was Level 10) says the THM200 4R will
 actually handle more power than the THM700 R4.  Either way, they both
 can handle 450 lbs ft input if built properly.  So unless you are drag
 racing, it is ok to install a built THM200 4R behind that 455.  I would.
  The savings in gas would easily pay for the rebuild every 100,000 miles
 (assuming it is not abused).
   >>

One slight problem.  The torque rating of an early 70's 455 is like 510
ft./lbs. of torque >stock<, even the two barrels......  If this is what they
rate them up to, it may not be a good idea to use either.  I'm betting someone
on the list has done more with them, and may be using them behind a big block.
I'd like to hear from these guys.  I've debated the idea of using an overdrive
tranny, but was planning on checking into the capabilities when the time comes
(when the pocketbook is "in excess"...).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:33:34 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 442 Parts

SOMMERVLLE@aol.com wrote:
>
> wayne where are you located at?
Live near Niagara Falls, Ontario.  Wayne

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:44:07 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: list suggestions

Someone a while back posted:
- --
not sure about the 88, but the 98 stood for 1898, which makes this year the
100 year anniversary. i would assume that the 88 is probably just a scaled
down version of the 98. had they manufactured a third vehicle at that time
it's safe to assume that it would have been called the 78.

- ----------
Ahh, the Internet. The world's largest collection of opinions. All of it's free
advice is worth exactly what you have paid for it.

Is this truly speculation or what?? All such speculation should have a
disclaimer on it, something like "I have no evidence that this is true, nor 
that
the Olds Centinnial occurred last year, but I think . . .". Speculative posts
without a warning can cause grief for people who use that information, eg.
engine rebuild, brake rebuild, with disastrous results.

On this list there's no need to make yourself out to be an expert, so even the
true experts use disclaimers when they aren't really sure, or for on the fly
posts.

My grumpy 2 cents.
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:37:00 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Texas Heatwave Show

Hi guys,

For those of you in Austin, Texas or the ones feeling adventurous.  The
Texas Heatwave Car and Truck Show is this weekend, July 24-26.  For
details see:

http://www.texasheatwaveshow.com

If anyone is interested in hooking up to go to the show, please e-mail
me privately.

Thanks,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER.
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:50:25 -0700
From: Steve Reed <SSREED@IBM.Net>
Subject: Olds IRC 'Rocket Talk'

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>> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Anybody wanna chat at "ROCKET TALK"?

>> Hi gang,
>>        I know Charley said tomorrow night ,but,I'm bored
>> tonite.Anybody want to meet there,I'm gonna be in and out.
>>         P.S Charley's invited TOO :)


>>John


What server and times do you guys usually get together?  I'll be
reinstalling a
new Hard drive tonight, so I won't be able to make it till next week, but I am
interested.

- -Steve

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<html>
&gt;&gt; Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:41:32 -0700 (PDT)<br>
&gt;&gt; From: John M &lt;super442@yahoo.com&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Subject: Anybody wanna chat at &quot;ROCKET TALK&quot;?<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi gang,<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I know Charley said
tomorrow night ,but,I'm bored<br>
&gt;&gt; tonite.Anybody want to meet there,I'm gonna be in and out.<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; P.S Charley's
invited TOO :)<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt;John<br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3>What server and times do you guys usually get
together?&nbsp; I'll be reinstalling a new Hard drive tonight, so I won't
be able to make it till next week, but I am interested.<br>
<br>
- -Steve</font><br>
</html>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:02:28 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 69 brake drum color

OK, looks like I opened a can of worms so to speak.

>Being the proud owner of a  very cancerous (but eventually to be
>restored 69 442 conv) since 70-71 (don't exactly remember, since I was
>only 3-4 at the time) and working form my questionable memory---- I
>think they were a deep red color.  Of course this could have just been
>New England surface rust.

Now the set of front drum assemblies I picked up from someone who I
believe got them off a 4-4-2, these drums where painted red.  But I
doubt they where red from the factory, but who knows.

>I do know this.  The drums were painted 384 ONLY if it had the SSI or II
>wheels.  Otherwise they were left natural.  I can only suspect that it
>is a shade of black or VERY dark grey.  I'm basing this ONLY on my
>somewhat rememberance of my dad's 1970 Cutlass he bought new when I was
>a kid.  Had the SSI wheels.  He was rotating the tires on it, and I'm

Yes, that seems to make some sense.  I have SSI.  Now some of the cars
in Springfield sporting both SSI and SSII that were both black and grey
could have been painted 'incorrectly'.  Now I'm not saying it's wrong,
I'm just saying that code 384 can't be both grey and black.  I suppose
it's possible a car could have had hubcaps with grey drums and the owner
decided to put on SSII when restoring the car and left the drums the
grey color.  Or some scenario like this.

>the brake drums were never painted that I know of unless the dealer did it
>this goes for every GM including olds and corvette

This I know is wrong as was pointed out already, otherwise there would
be no paint code in the assembly manual.  It also stated particular
items that were NOT to receive any paint.  One being the steering box.

then what color is 384 if we figure that out then we can paint them if
not
what color do you paint them? grey? black? hot pink? sorry for the jab
but
the other makes didnt paint them so there is that possibility but
if the manual says paint them who knows the color

I do know GTOs (specifically 66 since that's what year I have) where
painted black, unless you got the Ralley I wheels then they where red.


I guess the bottom line is what color is code 384?
Also, those of you with 69s what color drums do you have, or what color
does it look like it once was?  And what kind of wheels do you have/had
(SSI/SSII/hubcaps)?  And are your fronts disc or drum, not sure if this
makes a difference?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:13:34 +0000
From: pipe <banner@kwom.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1383

Norm when are you going to take nudie photos of your cash cow? And show
me?

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:02:55 EDT
From: <Spitty1500@aol.com>
Subject: 197 Oldsmobile Cutlass S floor mats

I want a very nice set of original car mats...or any original advertising
material that is availible for the 1970 Olds Cutlass S line....if you have
anything please respond
Thanks Jamie

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:12:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Hah!  A good day...

Take a look!

Http://www.metcalfe.com

_Am

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:21:53 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 69 brake drum color

Smetana, Christopher wrote:

> Now the set of front drum assemblies I picked up from someone who I
> believe got them off a 4-4-2, these drums where painted red.  But I
> doubt they where red from the factory, but who knows.

I doubt it too.  All of the 442s I have come across have a dark
grey/blackcolor.

> what color do you paint them? grey? black? hot pink? sorry for the jab

Either Fuscia, Puce, Chartreuse, or even Periwinkle!  :-)

> I guess the bottom line is what color is code 384?

Inquiring minds want to know (including me)!

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:23:19 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Hah!  A good day...

Andrew Metcalfe wrote:
>
> Take a look!


Congrats, Andrew!  Never can complain about the price, that's for sure.
Regardless if you win or lose in the drawing, you're still a winner with
an Oldsmobile!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:25:36 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hah! A good day...

Congrats man! I'd enter, but they don't make anything for any of my
cars.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>Take a look!
>
>Http://www.metcalfe.com
>_Am


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:29:27 EDT
From: <Spitty1500@aol.com>
Subject: 1970 Cutlass S

Brent....I have a cutlass S too...any info you have on the car would be
helpful to me Mine has the 350 and an outomatic...the vinyl top, power
steering and air cond. It has just been restored and has 47000 original on the
odo. My grandmother was the original owner...write me back

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Hah! A good day...

On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> Congrats man! I'd enter, but they don't make anything for any of my
> cars.

Well, my cutlass wasn't listed either...

They claim that me winning had nothing to do with my name... <g>

_Am

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:57:04 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: off topic...200/400r4

Hi guys,

Is the bolt pattern in the 200 or 400r4 compatible to a 425v8 in a '66
Delta?

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER.
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:58:50 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: off topic...200/400r4

Hi guys,

Is the bolt pattern in the 200 or 400r4 compatible to a 425v8 in a '66
Delta?  Can one be made to handle the amount of torque from this motor?
Bone stock, 2 barrel carb., high compression.  Exhaust not dualed out,
yet.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER.
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:09:39 -0600
From: Edward Pittman <edward@gdar.org>
Subject: Re: Front Clip for 68 Cutlass S

Chris:
Thanks for your prompt reply. I'm in Dallas,
Texas. I know paying freight on something like
this would really bite (<-- that's a technical
term ;) ), but I've gotta do what I've gotta do.
Let me know if you have something definite, and
thanks for your help.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:29:33 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Transmissions

In a message dated 98-07-23 12:45:37 EDT, you write:

<< A heavily built 200-4R is very streetable!  Almost all the Turbo Buicks
that
 have them also drive them on the street often.  Many are even daily drivers!
>>

Chad, you are also running Turbo. If you don't get on the throttle heavy, you
don't have a whole lot of power going through the trans. A 455 at 1500 RPM
probably puts out twice as much torque as the GN does at the same RPM, without
the turbo going....you can kind of control the power output of the engine by
keeping out of the turbo on the street, no?   Dorian

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:37:23 -0500
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: How much oil?

 How much oil should a 62 F-85 hold? The dipstick says 4 qts but it may not
be the correct dipstick. When we drained the oil 5 qts came out. I don't
have me service or owner's manual yet, so which is it?
Adam Broussard
1962 Olds F-85 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:42:36 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: BOP 700-R4

Message text written by Clayton
>Actually the '84 Olds Delta 88 I'll be towing home soon has a BOP pattern
700R4 in it.  No adapter needed here... currently attached to the original
OLDSMOBILE 307!<

Actually - there never was a BOP 700-R4 (there is a BOP 4L60-E due to
replaceable bellhousing - started in 1995).  You have a BOP 200-4R which
was commmon with the 307 in mid-80s Olds's

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:57:10 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: media for paint stripping??

>I plan to do all the hard prep work on a full frame off for this beast
>and know that I'll need to take the 15-40 layers of paint and bondo off
>the body so that a body shop to be named later can replace all the rust
>with metal and knock out all the dents.
>
>What should I use to do this??
>Chemical strippers?
>Some kind of media in a "sand" blaster?  (have read that baking soda is
>a good gentle media)
>Sandpaper and elbow grease/roatry sander?

Well if you really do have 15-40 layers I'd guess your gonna have to use
one hell of a lot of sandpaper and elbow grease if you go the rotary
sander route.

Sand for blasting, ie sandblasting, is a no no, unless you don't care
about heating the metal up and warping it.  I wouldn't recommend
sandblasting for sheetmetal.

I've read that sodium bicarbonate (baking soda to you and me) is a very
good media to use.  It will remove paint, bondo and rust and will leave
a light film on the metal which acts as a rust inhibitor if you have to
leave the car sit for a couple days.  It can also remove only one layer
of paint at a time, in case you want to leave the factory primer in
tact.  But it costs roughly 15-50 percent more than using plastic media.
 And it uses water, which is why it is called wet pressure blasting.

Plastic media is good to, but I believe it would require blasting once
for the paint and filler.  Then using crushed glass to remove the rust.
It uses air instead of water, hence dry pressure blasting.

As for chemical strippers, I've read they work pretty well as long as
your cafeful.  And they only remove paint if my memory serves me
correctly.

The only experience I have is with sand and blasting suspension
components and bumper brackets.  But I've also read that you can use a
bunch of other types of media including walnut shells.  Eastwood has a
little chart in their catalog.

Just my .02

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:09:32 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: BOP 700-R4

...Actually - there never was a BOP 700-R4 (there is a BOP 4L60-E due to
replaceable bellhousing - started in 1995)...
Steve Ochs
_____________

Whoa!  Now that _is_ interesting.  From my understanding, the 4L60-E is
basically the computer controlled 700R4, right?  Better yet, does the
4L80-E also have the replaceable bellhousing?  What other bellhousings are
available for RWD applications?  Does the 3800 V6 still use the BOP bolt
pattern (as used in the F-bodies)?  Actually, in the post-1995 world, are
there _any_ GM motors that still use the BOP bolt pattern?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:15:35 -0500
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Decoding a 62

How do I tell if it is a sports or cutlass convertible?
also, I ordered for a service manual and an owner's manual. Is this the
chassis manual?
adam
>model               total production
>   3000 series
>Club Coupe              7909
>4dr Sedan              8074
>Sports Convertible  3660
>2 seat Sta. Wgn      3204
>3 seat SW std          1887
>
>   3100 series
>Cutlass Coupe         32461
>Deluxe 4dr Sedan    18736
>Deluxe 2 seat SW    4974
>Cutlass Convertible  9898
>Jetfire Coupe          3765
>
>So, there were two convertibles. The Sports Convertible (your car?), and
the
>F-85 Cutlass Convertible.
>
>BTW If you hear anyone calling a mid 1960's car a Cutlass, go right ahead
and
>tell them they are wrong! They are F-85s, or F-85 Cutlasses. F-85 was the
base
>model. Sayting "Cutlass" is like saying "Holiday Coupe." They are variants
of
>the base models period.
>
>The original motor should be an *aluminium* 215 V-8 making 185 hp. GM had
>buick make the motors for Buick and Olds, but Oldsmobiles had their own
>cylinder head designs.
>
>Interestingly, the 1961 F-85's had auluminium radiators too. But PEAK
>antifreze caused a problem, it dissolved some of the aluminum on the
inside,
>causing radiator failure because of all the "fluff" that plugged it up.
>
>After much complaining that PEAK was "great stuff", Peak Antifreeze changed
>their formulation.
>
>I hope this helped!
>
>Karl Aune

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:29:29 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 69 442 Parts

Wayne I go to CT about 3 times a year could hake a haul to there. Let me know.
Thanks Chris

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:56:27 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 69 442 Parts

In a message dated 7/23/98, 4:29:29 PM, SOMMERVLLE write
Wayne, I go to CT about 3 times a yr and could haul to there. Let me know.
Thanks Chris

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:59:51 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: NHTSA Investigations (Was Re: UNBOUNCE: Door Latch)

> Not on the list; respond to ottolabs2@earthlink.net if you
> can assist.

Done. Also posting it to the list, for general reference:

>> NHTSA has been conducting research on door opening and door
>> latch failures since 1985. I am specifically interested in
>> the latch, the part that engages the striker post. I am
>> mainly interested in the research done on GM cars. I heard
>> there was an investigation done specifically on GM.

Here's what a friend dug up for me:

> OK, here's the result of a good minute of searching.  The
> relevant website is http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov
>
> Searching for the terms "door latches" pulls up:
>
>> http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/summaries/B0104.htm
>>
>>                                             B.01.04
>>                                   DOOR LATCH INTEGRITY
>>
>>
>> PROJECT OBJECTIVE
>>
>> Develop one or more test procedures to evaluate door latch
>> integrity
>>
>>
>>
>> BACKGROUND
>>
>> FMVSS 206 was established in September 1968 based on SAE
>> requirements with increased loads on the door latches. This
>> requirement was extended to back door latches in September 1995.
>> A 1989 evaluation concluded that FMVSS 206 had a 15%
>> effectiveness in reducing ejection fatality risk. NHTSA has
>> been conducting research on door opening and door latch
>> failures since 1985.

[...snipping some rather dry material here...]

>> PROJECT MANAGERS:
>>
>> Stephen Summers, (202) 366-4712, email to:
>> Stephen.Summers@nhtsa.dot.gov
>>
>> Maurice Hicks, (202) 366-6245, email to:
>> Maurice.Hicks@nhtsa.dot.gov
>>
>>
>> COMPLETION DATE:    Rulemaking support ongoing through FY98

[...snipped a bunch more; you can read the website yourself...]

> So, it looks like this fellow was right about the research
> project. I wasn't able to find any specific results, but,
> the e-mail addresses are given for the project managers so
> it should be easy enough to contact them directly.

So, there you have it. The NHTSA website itself is pretty
interesting, although the Search utility tended to keep bringing
up the same results over and over; someone who's better at
driving search engines than myself may have better luck. HTH...

- -- Andy

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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:29:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '54 Olds 88 Parts Needed

Not on the list, respond directly to RLTAYLOR@webtv.net (Ron Taylor).

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	RLTAYLOR@webtv.net (Ron Taylor)
Subject: 54 Olds 88

   I'm trying to locate a cylinder head for a 1954 Olds.(V8). Other
parts will as so be needed at a later date.

PEACE ,LOVE & JOY

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:42:23 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Reminder: Chicago area, Aug. 2, '98: Illinois Rail Museum Car  Meet

(Oh, gawd, it's Andy with another blasted reminder again... :-)

Last call for pre-registrations for display of your Olds at the
8th Annual Illinois Rail Museum Transport Extravaganza. They're
due in by this Saturday, 7/25/1998. Email me for further info
or to have a flier faxed to you if necessary...

You can view the Rail Museum web pages at http://www.irm.org

- -- Andy

- --
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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: RLTAYLOR@webtv.net (Ron Taylor)
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile

PEACE ,LOVE & JOY

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:52:24 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Looking for Qudrajet

 I am looking for a quadrajet carb for my 69 Cutlass 350

 Anyone who has a quadrajet for sale please E-mail me privately.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:04:15 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds on TV...

Early seventies model cutlass is in the new movie with Sandra Bullock where
she plays a witch or something.  I saw the previews last night and I think the
movie comes out in the fall of this year.  The car is blue with a white drop
top  !!  Looked pretty tits, cherry, groovy, cool whatever...... from what I
could see.

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:17:59 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 442 $ Value

List members,
 I have found a 1973 442 for sale for $1,575.00.  The car needs to be
restored and I think it is a 455 car.  The fifth digit in the VIN is a
"U".  I only want the car if it is a matching numbers car.  The casting
numbers on the engine block are 396021F.  I did not see a small "a"
after the "F" in the casting number.  It may have been their but the
engine was dirty and the numbers were hard to read. Is a 1973 442 ever
going to be valuable?  Are people restoring this body style car?  If it
is a matching numbers 455 car, what do you think the car is worth?
  Thanks.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:18:37 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: oopsie

Could some body please send me the  e-mail address of the person who is
looking for 1954 olds 88 parts (cylinder head in particular)  I deleted the
mail on accident.  It was a message sent to the list by Greg because the
individual isn't on the list.  I think I can help this guy out..  Please
somebody forward it to me.

TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:17:50 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds on TV...

MFATZII@aol.com wrote:

> Early seventies model cutlass is in the new movie with Sandra Bullock where
> she plays a witch or something.  I saw the previews last night and I think 
the
> movie comes out in the fall of this year.  The car is blue with a white drop
> top  !!  Looked pretty tits, cherry, groovy, cool whatever...... from what I
> could see.
>
> Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
> Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
>

Ryan,
Was that a reference to Sandra Bullock or the Cutlass?
 BTW, that will make two movies featuring Sandra and a Cutlass/4-4-2

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:29:50 EDT
From: <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ported vacuum to distributer? (mail #2)

Vince Knight write:
<< There is also a thermal vacuum switch in line. >>


there are three hoses hooked up to this line.  one is indeed manifold vacuum.
one is ported vacuum.  the last one goes straight to the distributer.  someone
told me how it works.  as i remember, the engine when cold gets manifold
vacuum for the distributer.  this works in conjunction with the electric
transmission downshift switch.  when you have the accelerator on the floor,
the swith changes from manifold vacuum to ported vacuum.  once the engine is
warm, the distributer gets no vacuum except for ported, when in 3rd gear and
floored.  if you take the switch out of the line, you should give the
distributer ported vacuum.  now listen to this.......when the engine is
idleing, the spark plug wires can keep up with engine speed and the spark
doesn't need to be too far advanced.  as engine speed increases, the plug
wires tend to slow down the signal.  now the timing is now as far advanced as
it should be.

here's an example(hypothetical): say the spark plug fires at an idle with the
piston 3/4 the way to the top.  as engine speed increases, the spark needs to
leave the distributer cap sooner to get there a little sooner.  now the spark
reaches the plugs 3/4 the way to the top.  same amount advanced as idle.  if
you can advance if a little sooner, the engine can run smoothly.  without that
advance, you will have slow take off and a weak engine.

now relate this to an olds engine.  take off the distributer cap and look at
the internals.  make a rough sketch of how they function, especially the
vacuum advance.  think of how much advance there should be at different rpm's.
at 1000, rpm the vacuum should be minimal, advancing the timing minimal.  now
at 5000 rpm, the vacuum sould be full, giving full advance.  as a final note
"the distributer gets ported of timed vacuum, not manifold".  read bottom for
more.......

mikeytvb@aol.com

with manifold vacuum, the timing will be advanced at an idle, and when
accelerating the timing will retard.  then when at a cruising speed the timing
advances.  this final advance will not exceed the initial timing at idle.
giving you about 8 degrees final timing compared to 28 with ported vacuum.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:32:25 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bucket seats

List members,
 I read an ad for a 1969 Delta 88 2 door with the 455, bucket seats and
console.  I have never seen bucket seats or a console in a Delta 88.
Could it have come form the factory with this combination?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:11:48 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines for a 425 1966

Hi Rual!

Sorry this took so long.

<< Subj:	 Fuel Lines for a 425 1966
 Date:	98-07-02 18:22:24 EDT
 From:	rmart@satlink.com (Raul Martinez)>>>

<we know the next part>

<<< File:  Unknown.bin (1893 bytes)
 DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute>>>

<Rmmmmmm.  I'm gonna let that one slide!>

<<< 	As an owner of a Delta 88 1966 I get .... fuel pump and carburator 
form
USA parts supply but I want to restore also the original fuel line from pump
to carb. USA hasn't and told me to build one. Seems to be 3/8"metal fuel line,
but don't know original  size or form as well as terminations for fitting on
both sides. Any help please?
 Raul
 Delat 88 1966 >>

The fuel line in my 1965 Dynamic 88 Used to be 3/8" OD (outer diameter) steel
tubing. The fittings are also standard. Anyone whom can supply you with the
tubing should also have the fittings on hand. You will require 18-30" of
tubing depending on how you route it. My fuel line (if I recall) ran up
between water pump and alternator, and to passenger's side of thermostat
housing, and frm there directly to the carb.

Due to carburetor probs, I replaced my steel tubing with 3/8 ID (??) rubber
tubing with the steel braid on the outside, and an inline see-thru gas filter.
Less probs running in hot weather.

Good Luck!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:24:24 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: '65 Cutlass A/C Questions?????

Im back to pick you "Oldsmobile Freaks'" brains again!...I am currently
tackling the restoration/coversion of my 1965 Oldsmobiles Frigidaire system. I
am going to buy a new compressor this friday and would like a list of the
changes (both the "bare minimum" and the "frivilous")that have to be made to
my system to change from R-12 to R-134. I have been told by my father-in-law
that the A/C was working perfectly when he last drove the car(1974), but while
driving the car last spring, The A/C compressor "locked up" and burned the
belt off...hence leaving me to believe that the compressor needed
replacing(haha). I have all the necessary equipment to do the job...just have
never actually done it! I need to know the basic proceedures for the job, as
well as any tips that you experienced technichians may have. I have above
average mechanical skills, but I am a total "rookie" when it comes to
refridgerants, and charging a cars A/C system, but then I was a total idiot
when it came to paint and body also...now I have three cars to paint for
friends and coworkers....LOL. I have it all to thank for the knowledge and
thought from people such as yourselves that have helped me from the
internet.Please dont leave me out to fry...LOL...It's freakin' hot here in
Dallas lately...Thanks for any help that you folks can give me on this
project...Collyn Eastham
                    '65 442 "one owner"

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 19:29:57 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: '69 Transmission Pan Color??

   Cleaning up an 'OG' code transmission to put in my '69 4-4-2 and would
like to know if the tranny pan is the same aluminum color as the tranny case.

   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:32:17 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:48:04 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats

I have a Delta 88 with bucket seats, center console dual exhaust.  The car
is factory stock and original.  So, indeed, Oldsmobile made such a car.
Peter.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:43:27 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Brakes still not right

is the car drum or disc if drum adjust the brakes correctly if you dont know
how just ask I would be glad to splain it to you it seems that a lot of
mechs believe that this is not necessary due to "self adjusters" this only
works if they are close to begin with this includes rear drum frt disc
configs any Qs write me direct...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Brakes still not right


>At 12:22 AM 7/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>After the local brake guy check out the brakes, replaced the master
cylinder
>>on the 68 Cutlass, check all the lines for leaks, little change. Peddle
still
>>seems to travel almost to the floor before it starts grabbing. Pumping the
>>brakes does not increase pedal pressure, so I doubt air in lines is a
>problem.
>>Took it back  about a month later, he replaced the master cylinder, no
>change.
>>No fluid loss noticable. Everything seems normal and adjusted. Reputable
>>garage, been around for ever.  Any ideas?
>
>I'd start from the master cylinder.
>Are you sure you have the right one?
>
>Try bleeding the MC and see if that helps
>
>>I can't believe these brakes can't
>>be adjusted any better than this. Somebody mentioned wheel cylinders?
(drums
>>all around btw)
>
>They should be better than this. Are the shoes adjusted to the drum width?
>Does it pull to the left or right at all?
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:06:51 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: How much oil?

craig g broussard wrote:

>  How much oil should a 62 F-85 hold? The dipstick says 4 qts but it may not
> be the correct dipstick. When we drained the oil 5 qts came out. I don't
> have me service or owner's manual yet, so which is it?
> Adam Broussard
> 1962 Olds F-85 Convertible

  I'm the other owner of the 62 f-85 on the list and as far as I can remember
it is 5 quarts. It's been a while since I've changed the oil because it's 2000
miles away from me... It should be 5 as far as I can recal.

Ben

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:52:11 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?

there is a high and low rpm dwell circuit one can fail and the other still
works the symptom you describe is consistent with  bad points or improper
dwell have seen it before first hand never hurts to check..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?


>KK, thanks for the info. I don't think it would be the module, as my
problem
>at least is at low idle only...if it was the module, I would think that the
>problem would continue regardless of RPM. I have understand that the module
>opens the coil primary circuit when the teeth on the timer and pole piece
line
>up.(Thank you Haynes) If the module WERE bad, that would cause problems at
any
>RPM, correct? Anyone?   Dorian

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:57:01 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

enginerering thing dont worry about it not important but voltage leads
current as seen on an oscilloscope that doesnt mean that the voltage carries
pushes or pulls the current the current is the dissipation of voltage across
a component once more I dont care anymore as someone else always disagrees
so I consede you all win
kk EE also but evidently went to a different school than everyone else bye
now...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...


>Huh!  I thought voltage carried current?!
>
>Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
>> correction number one current flows from negative to positive voltage
goes
>> the other way
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andersons <robertan@cfw.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
>
>--
>Eric Spence
>ericsp@mail.ocis.net
>Kamloops, BC, Canada
>
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:00:09 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

gotta go with that response my self not enough space to teach Electrical
Engineering here my book is about three inches thick with pictures and
diagrams and three chapters of theory good book though...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...


>Yes, but current flowing from ground (-) to positive (+) and volts the
>opposite?
>
>Mike Rothe. wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Huh!  I thought voltage carried current?!
>> >
>> E=IR, Volts=Current(amps)x Resistance (ohms)
>>
>> Volts is the measurement of electrical POTENTIAL, Current is the
>> measurement of electron flow (or "hole" flow, whichever you believe) and
>> resistance of course, measures that resistance to flow [think of this as
>> electricity friction]
>>
>> A conductor carries current, and voltage provides the umph to get
>> electrons to flow.  A poor conductor needs more volts to push the same
>> amount of current as a good conductor, since it has an inherently high
>> resistance.  As such, air is not a good conductor, so, if you widen the
>> plug gap, you get less current flow for the same coil output voltage.
>> Therefore, if you go with a bigger voltage output coil, you can widen
>> the gap slightly.
>>
>> This is a big ol can of worms, so I'm gonna leave this one alone.  A
>> whole entire chapter in itself.
>>
>> Mike Rothe
>
>
>
>--
>Eric Spence
>ericsp@mail.ocis.net
>Kamloops, BC, Canada
>
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:01:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Transmission Pan Color??

plain steel I think but could be wrong..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 4:30 PM
Subject: '69 Transmission Pan Color??


>   Cleaning up an 'OG' code transmission to put in my '69 4-4-2 and would
>like to know if the tranny pan is the same aluminum color as the tranny
case.
>
>   Glenn
>   '69 4-4-2
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:06:13 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 brake drum color

a point to ponder on this the drums came from delco moraine and would have
been painted on the line this isnt easy to do as the car moves forward down
the line so they could have been painted then stockpiled for use and
anything could have been used plain or painted
true?...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
To: oldsw mailing list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 6:39 AM
Subject: re: 69 442 brake drum color


>Being the proud owner of a  very cancerous (but eventually to be
>restored 69 442 conv) since 70-71 (don't exactly remember, since I was
>only 3-4 at the time) and working form my questionable memory---- I
>think they were a deep red color.  Of course this could have just been
>New England surface rust.
>Like I said it was a long time ago!!
>Recollections since my "adult" memory has kicked in do suppoort the bare
>metal concept, especially since there's no remnant of paint anywhere on
>the drums.
>Hope fully, someone will decipher the paint code.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:07:46 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: media for paint stripping??

there is a plastic media that has been used to some success for this but the
chemicals are faster but more difficult to dispose of ...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
To: oldsw mailing list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 6:46 AM
Subject: media for paint stripping??


>Although I'm currently about 7,000 miles from my 69 conv 442 and
>probably won't start work on restoring it for a few years, it is never
>too soon to ask advice.  Especially if you know that you're completely
>clueless regarding a particular subject!!!!
>
>So.......
>I plan to do all the hard prep work on a full frame off for this beast
>and know that I'll need to take the 15-40 layers of paint and bondo off
>the body so that a body shop to be named later can replace all the rust
>with metal and knock out all the dents.
>
>What should I use to do this??
>Chemical strippers?
>Some kind of media in a "sand" blaster?  (have read that baking soda is
>a good gentle media)
>Sandpaper and elbow grease/roatry sander?
>
>TIA
>Jim
>Lost in Korea!!
>
>PS:
>Since the spring, I've really been suffering Cutlass envy since someone
>else in the US military has a 70 Cutlass and I have to see it every day
>at work!!!!!!
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:23:24 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '69 Transmission Pan Color??

Yup, run o' the mill stamped steel.
Mike Rothe
>
> plain steel I think but could be wrong..kk

> >   Cleaning up an 'OG' code transmission to put in my '69 4-4-2 and would
> >like to know if the tranny pan is the same aluminum color as the tranny
> case.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:12:36 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Still More Olds on TV/movies

has anyone ever seen the movie "Hot Rod" has a disco painted 69 cutlass post
coupe as one of the stars..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: LooseCanno@aol.com <LooseCanno@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 11:06 PM
Subject: Still More Olds on TV/movies


>Well, coincidentally, I found out today that the '67 GTO from Seinfeld
(driven
>by Costanza, the "videotape bootlegger" bad boy) belongs to an assistant at
my
>real estate office.
>Her husband got $250 bucks a day, for 2 days, + a new windshield (they
replace
>the windshield with anti-reflective coated glass to shoot video through it
>without glare.)  They picked up and delivered the car on a flatbed from
home.
>Incidentally, George misidentifies the car during the show as a '68 - but
we
>all know the difference.
>I asked a music video producer about the locator - he said she has a good
>reputation in the industry.  This producer just did a video for the song
>"Brick" which included his early sixties f*rd Falcon - truly one of the
more
>hideous cars of the period, even for a f*rd.  He said a major feature like
>this one would be about $350/day, for up to two weeks.  Come to think of
it,
>my car could use new seats up front, so I don't think I'll mind if he hops
>over the door!!  now, what to do with the other $4000. <G>
>I'm not yet at liberty to give any details about the movie, but it is NOT
an
>action film.   However, everyone will recognize the star, and I bet we'll
all
>want to see the film!!  I'll let every one know right before it comes out.
>I still watch 'Kingpin' every time it's on, and now I'm going to see Dirty
>Work.
>Take care!
>
>Erik
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:15:55 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Voltage vs Current

tired subject my brain isnt up to it have to deal with it to much anyway
please no more...............kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 8:24 PM
Subject: Voltage vs Current


>> Huh!  I thought voltage carried current?!
>
>OK, how about this way.  Voltage is the ~supplier~ of electricity.  Current
is
>the ~motion~ of electricity.
>
>Higher voltage will allow higher current (providing resistance is
unchanged)
>However, voltage is a stationary substance (nice, eh? :o )
>
>OK...  Voltage is like, uh, a dead skunk...  Don't go anywhere, but causes
>everything around it to move away...  Of course, with voltage, the current
>returns to the other side of the origin...  But it sounded good at first.
>Hmm...
>
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:32:50 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes still not right

>After the local brake guy check out the brakes, replaced the master
cylinder
>on the 68 Cutlass, check all the lines for leaks, little change.

O.K. - No leaks, no air in the lines (brakes are good & hard when the
finally catch, right?), propper adjustment (reputable
mechanic),....hmmm.....

Could it be an incorrect M/C? It sounds like there just isn't enough fluid
being pushed out to completely expand the wheel cylinders.

drc

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:37:46 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Goin on right now...  Anyone around?
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:33:19 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 Parts

need the left eyebrow and headlight housings but may know where you can find
some housings also e-mail me direct...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
To: olds chat <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:55 AM
Subject: 69 442 Parts


>I've finished my restoration and have the following spare parts for
>sale:
>
>--nearly new mirror, LH door $60
>--442 grills (bolt tabs need repair) 90 pr
>--14" SSII trim rings, no dents 100 set of 5
>--door moldings 15 ea
>--various hood & eyebrow moldings ask
>--pr new after market rocker panels 30
>--headers (Hooker I think) were on my 400ci 70
>Need headlight housings.  Will trade.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:30:04 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 brake drum color

I have a 69 442 with ssII and the drums are not painted that doesnt mean
anything they could have been replaced however just because the manual says
it doesnt make it so there was nothing set in stone
the drums were plain when they left the factory that made them then they
were assembled with a subassembly and installed on the car
that means they were probably painted with that assembly such as the spindel
assy or the axle assy that means they were probably semigloss black if
painted at all I doubt that they were painted as a seperate part backing
plates were semigloss black but spindels were plain control arms were
semigloss but the shafts were plain rotors were always plain  bottom line I
dont know I wasnt there but the evidence points me toward the semigloss
black coloring any takers?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Smetana, Christopher <csmetana@dowagro.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: 69 brake drum color


>
>OK, looks like I opened a can of worms so to speak.
>
>>Being the proud owner of a  very cancerous (but eventually to be
>>restored 69 442 conv) since 70-71 (don't exactly remember, since I was
>>only 3-4 at the time) and working form my questionable memory---- I
>>think they were a deep red color.  Of course this could have just been
>>New England surface rust.
>
>Now the set of front drum assemblies I picked up from someone who I
>believe got them off a 4-4-2, these drums where painted red.  But I
>doubt they where red from the factory, but who knows.
>
>>I do know this.  The drums were painted 384 ONLY if it had the SSI or II
>>wheels.  Otherwise they were left natural.  I can only suspect that it
>>is a shade of black or VERY dark grey.  I'm basing this ONLY on my
>>somewhat rememberance of my dad's 1970 Cutlass he bought new when I was
>>a kid.  Had the SSI wheels.  He was rotating the tires on it, and I'm
>
>Yes, that seems to make some sense.  I have SSI.  Now some of the cars
>in Springfield sporting both SSI and SSII that were both black and grey
>could have been painted 'incorrectly'.  Now I'm not saying it's wrong,
>I'm just saying that code 384 can't be both grey and black.  I suppose
>it's possible a car could have had hubcaps with grey drums and the owner
>decided to put on SSII when restoring the car and left the drums the
>grey color.  Or some scenario like this.
>
>>the brake drums were never painted that I know of unless the dealer did it
>>this goes for every GM including olds and corvette
>
>This I know is wrong as was pointed out already, otherwise there would
>be no paint code in the assembly manual.  It also stated particular
>items that were NOT to receive any paint.  One being the steering box.
>
>then what color is 384 if we figure that out then we can paint them if
>not
>what color do you paint them? grey? black? hot pink? sorry for the jab
>but
>the other makes didnt paint them so there is that possibility but
>if the manual says paint them who knows the color
>
>I do know GTOs (specifically 66 since that's what year I have) where
>painted black, unless you got the Ralley I wheels then they where red.
>
>
>I guess the bottom line is what color is code 384?
>Also, those of you with 69s what color drums do you have, or what color
>does it look like it once was?  And what kind of wheels do you have/had
>(SSI/SSII/hubcaps)?  And are your fronts disc or drum, not sure if this
>makes a difference?
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>work: csmetana@dowagro.com
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others

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