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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, July 12 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1361



Non Olds, Desparate
ref: 394 V-8
my free xxx page
Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re:  1972 ram air hood
Re: pick up my goodie bag at Nats?
Re: need another Olds
Re: Underpowered Cars
Big 88 V6
Re: Repro Mirrors
Leaving for Springfield
My "problems"
Re: My "problems"
Re: Big 88 V6
Re: My "problems"
Re: need another Olds
subscribe
diode needed
1995 Cutlass (3.4 V-6)
Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components
Re: Big 88 V6
for sale
Re: Big 88 V6
Re: All the "me too" postings
Re: My "problems"
Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components
Re: Big 88 V6
Hat racks, sig files, and mee toooos
Finally got some pictures up
re: Oldsmobile 1942 B44
Re: Finally got some pictures up
Indy 500 Doc's (1970): Web Page-- Ready for Downloads
Unicase Trannies
Re: Unicase Trannies
Re: Hat racks, sig files, and mee toooos
Back from road trip
Re: Finally got some pictures up
Listmemebers meeting at Nationals
65 Delta 88 Brakes
Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components
Re: diode needed
Re: My "problems"
Fwd: Back from road trip
Re: Unicase Trannies
Re: Finally got some pictures up
Re: My "problems"
re: Clayton's Dilemma
Re: Unicase Trannies
Re: Unicase Trannies
Re: Price busters
Re: Clayton's Dilemma
Re: Unicase Trannies
Re: diode needed

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:13:55 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Non Olds, Desparate

With the understanding that I may be executed for heresy, I need to inquire
of the list if anyone has seen a forum for Lincoln Continental info
exchange. I've searched the Web and come up with zilch. My idiot brother
owns one that needs resto and I know not where else to turn.

In payment for putting my neck on the line here, he's gonna help me put the
new chrome bumper on my Delta today, so please be kind.

drc

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 06:45:47 -0700
From: "Peter Slisz" <pv7793@email.msn.com>
Subject: ref: 394 V-8

Major differences are the timing chain covers.  One is aluminun and one is
cast iron, hence the difference in pan gaskets.  Also different timing chain
cover seal.  Aluminun is a lot bigger than the cast iron one.  All vib
dampers will interchange.  To be sure, mic the crank, and bore check the
damper.  Some dampners will have different pulley arrangements for air or
steering, depending on the model car they are used on.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:15:19 PDT
From: jacksttraw@hotmail.com
Subject: my free xxx page

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:07:21 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic

Greg Rollin wrote:
>
> THOMAS JACQUILLARD wrote:
>
> > Greg Rollin wrote:
> > >
> > > Just another reminder.  This Sunday (July 12th) is the 9th annual NW
> > > Cutlass/4-4-2 picnic held in Centralia, Washington.  Sponsored by the
> > > South Sound 4-4-2 Club and the 4-4-2 Club of Oregon.
> > Why couldn't I have known about ya'all when I was stationed at Ft.
> > Lewis? I only have my daily driver '68 CS Hol. Coupe (w/455), but I
> > would have gladly showed her off. Now the Army sends me to Ga. And the
> > worst part is that everyone I have talked to is on the other end of the
> > state from Ft. Stewart. Hope you guys have a blast.
> > T.J.
>
> Excuses, excuses.  You will just have to be a little more resourceful.
> What I suggest is that you commandeer one of those big 'ol transport planes
> you guys have, call those guys from the other end of the state, have them
> bring their cars, load them all in the plane (yours included of course),
> fly out here, show the cars, meet some fellow Olds fanatics, have a good
> time etc.  Reload cars in plane, head home and be back in time for work
> Monday morning.  See, it's that easy!  So I guess we'll see you guys on
> Sunday.  (Or perhaps, everyone on the list will see you on CNN Sunday night
> under the headline "Olds Enthusiasts Attempt To Hijack Transport
> Plane").
>
> --
> Greg Rollin
> Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
> http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
> E-mail: supercars@transport.com
I guess I wouldn't be in any more trouble than the recent helicopter
pilots who have to answer why their wives were on the helicopter that
crashed. Sorry, my pension isn't worth that much, only 4 years left.
T.J.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:20:10 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

well the car is original bolt for bolt except for the wells but they do look
cool and I'm not doing judged shows anymore got over that in the chevy set
corvettes but those people will burn you at the stake if the car has a paint
spot out of place you know a color code it takes too long to do a frame off
and if you drive it very much all that work and money is lost so this one
wants to be driven  thanks for your help...kk

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:31:13 EDT
From: <Born2Xcell@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  1972 ram air hood



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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:06:47 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: pick up my goodie bag at Nats?

Peg O'Connor wrote:

> Well, it looks like I'm not going to Nats after all.

That's not good.

> Grey Mine must be laid to rest for a while

Grey Mine?

> my plane ticket for unknown reasons.  I'm taking that as a sign and
> staying home to study for the bar.  :)  So...

The study problems of college days.  My friends and I studied for the
bar many times during our 4-5 years at UK.  A few of them passed  (out)
some didn't.  :)

I wish it were possible for me to make the trek to Mecca also, but it's
not going to happen again this year.  Looks like no vacation or annual
swing down to visit family in AL or FL either.  No. 2 daughter's $2600
encounter with a brick mailbox and medical problems for the mother in
law will probably limit how many and how far we go this year.  Bummer!
Illinois wasn't all that far away either.  Oh well, one of these years I
guess I will get to spend money at the Nationals.  :(  Just wish it were
sooner rather than later.  Of course that gives me more time to get one
of my cars together.  :)

Sorry to hear that you can't make it.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:10:33 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: need another Olds

Peg O'Connor wrote:

> Grey Mine (we know what the story is on that)
> Red Mine (transplanting and rebuilding motor)
> Wood Mine (auction station wagon -- thrown rod)
> sigh.

Disregard the previous question about Grey Mine.  Answer above.  Your
list of dead vehicles is starting to approach mine.  I've got more
"temporarily incapacitated" cars than ones that run and go like they are
supposed to.  :(

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:29:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Metcalfe <ametcalf@ccs.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: Underpowered Cars

My fathers old Dodge 600 - a bizzare modefication of the k-car.  Had a
1.4L 4banger made by Mizubishi - was on it's third motor and second
transmission when he got rid of it when it was 5 years old!

_Am

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:33:45 -0500
From: Bill Bussell <photographer@trader.com>
Subject: Big 88 V6

I have an 82 Delta 88 with a V6.  I doubt that there were many of these
made. Power is a little low, but it did get 25 mpg on the highway with
the AC operating. I believe the engine is a Buick 3.8.  I just broke the
90 degree plastic elbow that connects the valve cover to the air
cleaner.  Will I have trouble finding a replacement?

Bill Bussell
Speedway Indiana
'Watch the Brickyard 400 on ABC in August'

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:47:40 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: Repro Mirrors

I bought a pair of them from Specialty Olds and agree with you 100%.


>If anyone is thinking about getting one of the repro mirrors made by
>Fusick's for their Cutlass, let me vouch for the product. I picked one up
>from them last week and it looks beautiful. And, the socket is nice and
>stiff so that the thing doesn't droop down at highway speed. Only
>difference from original I can see is that it doesn't have the small
>lettering (mine said DM-8, whatever that means) that the originals had on
>the glass. Now with it alongside my newly installed NOS right side mirror
>the Cutlass looks quite sharp!
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada



Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:25:32 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Leaving for Springfield

Folks,

Going off the list (again), as I am leaving for Springfield tomorrow at
8AM (can't believe it's here already!).  Look for the turquoise 98 coupe
in the unrestored class.  Hafta go, have lots do to.  "Talk" to you when
I get back,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:32:58 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: My "problems"

I have a small list of needs for my 442...Today was the first day that the car
has been driven in 24 years(legally and for a sustained distance...to work and
back). I was certain that the 4 year "frame-on" restoration was complete. But,
after having driven the car, I noticed that when the car is at full operating
temp.(approx. 200*) I hear what seems to be "ratteling"/"knocking" when
accelerating. I am positive that the timing is correct, as I recently(as in 2
years and 60 miles ago) gave her(Norma Jean) a very exstensive tune-up. I am
wondering if this could be the results of 93 octane Premium Unleaded. I was
informed that the valves seats are going to need to be replaced with
"hardended" seats...is this absolutely necessary?The motor (the whole car for
that matter) has 29,000 miles on it.If the heads are going to need work,I may
just go ahead and purchase the Edelbrock heads...do these have the "hardened"
valve seats? I am also curious as to what you Oldsmobile "gurus" would suggest
as a very "healthy" performance package. I am confident that the 400cu.in.
motor has potential...I dad had a jet boat with a 455 Olds in it...I seem to
remember the HP rating on the insurance policy being 500HP. I would like to
make the car as fearsome as possible, with streetability being a minor
concerne. Also, I notice that when the car sets ,undriven, for several weeks
that the brakes seem to be(seems HELL...ARE!) pulling to the left and the
right rear locks easily...This goes away within a few miles...but always
returns after setting a few weeks. Are the brake lines letting air into the
system? I appreciate the opertunity to ask this forum these
questions...Thanks! Collyn Eastham...GT5726@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:36:15 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

OPPS!...I have a 1965 Olds 442...400 ,Jetaway, 2drHT...

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:12:59 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Big 88 V6

save urself some trouble get rid of the 6 and put in a 350

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:20:00 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

GT5726@aol.com wrote:

> I was informed that the valves seats are going to need to be replaced with
> "hardended" seats...is this absolutely necessary?

I don't believe it is necessary for the 65. My 62 f-85 (as I was told by the
head service shop when I had them worked on) doesn't need them. As a 
pre-caution
I used the lead additive when I fueled up.

> The motor (the whole car for that matter) has 29,000 miles on it.If the heads
> are going to need work,I may
> just go ahead and purchase the Edelbrock heads...do these have the "hardened"
> valve seats? I am also curious as to what you Oldsmobile "gurus" would 
suggest
> as a very "healthy" performance package.

Yes the edelbrock heads have the hardened valve seats. One problem I put myself
on the list for heads before Jan 1. I'm still waiting on the FIRST production 
to
roll out of the factory. Edelbrock are being VERY rude about the delay and are
not offering any sort of compensation for the delay of SEVERAL MONTHS! If you
want a set you best order them NOW so you might get them by the middle of next
year.

> I am confident that the 400cu.in. motor has potential...I dad had a jet boat
> with a 455 Olds in it...I seem to
> remember the HP rating on the insurance policy being 500HP. I would like to
> make the car as fearsome as possible, with streetability being a minor
> concerne.

As far as 400 having potential... Yes they have TONS of potential. I own a 68
442 with a 400. With a 750 quadrahet, edlebrock intake, roller tip rockers, 268
comp cam (very streetable and economical, but great performance) and a set of
headers, according to the Desktop Dyno from Mr. Gasket I should be putting out
nearly 500 ft/lb torque and almost 400 hp. And I get close to 20 m/g highway w/
3.08 rear. So, yes the 400 has TONS of potential with the right parts. If
streetability isn't a consern then I'd go for a 282 or 292 cam and a big ole 
850
carb w/ some forced air and you will SCREAM! Good luck!Ben

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:46:23 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: need another Olds

I won Least Likely to Make it Home

Congratulations!!!  :)

> First question is: can rings go bad that quickly, with no warning?
> Blowing a head gasket can't damage the rings, can they?

Not likely.  What the ~most~ likely cause is that the entire assembly was worn
out (or close) including rings, heads, bearings, etc.  By putting new heads on
there, you're only supplying a small percentage of the correction.  What you
have is a top end that's in much ~MUCH~ better shape than the lower end.  Which
in and of itself does not look all that bad.  Except when applying reverse
logic.  This same statement also implies that the lower end ~must also be~ much
~MUCH~ worse than the top end.  Basically, by putting a new valve set in there
(at least I'm ~assuming~ they did some valve work or replaced the heads, 
right?)
your compression is essentially trying to increase back to the original levels.
Looking at the "weakest link" theory, your rings are now the bad point.  That's
reading alot into things, I know, but I went through the same thing on my 425.
I ~knew~ my valves were shot, I ~knew~ the valvestem seals were not even there,
and I ~knew~ it needed some serious work, and ~soon.~  I also knew I had a new
set of heads for it, just lying around.  So I spent about 14 hours changing
'em.  And verified all of the "I ~knew~ its" by seeing the oil soaked paths
along the intake and exhaust runners.  However, when I got 'em on, I burned 
even
more oil than before.  Fouls plugs in about 30 miles.  Nasty.  There was no
cylinder ridge, either.  Just that the rings were that badly worn to start
with.  They went unnoticed until other parts of the motor started getting new
parts.  (Maybe they were jealous?????)

> Grey Mine is going to rest for a while until I have time and money
> Yes, I know it's a 260 -- no flames, please --

No no no!!!  The ~last~ thing Florida needs is more flames, eh?
My thoughts would be to take your $2000 from your "next vehicle fund" and pick
up a reman'd engine for it.  Should come out close, depending on who you have 
do
the labor (yourself,  friend, expensive greasemonkey down the road, etc..)

~OR~ you could do like me and use that $2K to buy about ten more parts cars...
> sentimental value to me and car owners aren't always rational.

Which explains ~my~ 5 digit grand total on the Rockit that still doesn't run!
@#$%*&*Q@#!!!  :)

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:53:24 -0400
From: Sean <seanyee@home.com>
Subject: subscribe

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:56:36 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: diode needed

List,
    I am in search of a 10 amp diode a can put in line when I install
me hi-tork mini starter. This will go in the line to the coil so I do not
get
the 6 volt feed back when I am running. The mini starters\ do not have
a post for the lead like the Delco units have. Both wires go on the same
post - thus the need for the diode...(lets voltage flow one way)



                    Tanks
                    The General

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:15:22 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1995 Cutlass (3.4 V-6)

  Do any list members have any experience with the 3.4 L V-6 engine.  I
am thinking about buying a 1995 Cutlass convertible with this engine.  I
don't know much about it except GM last put it in the 1997's(I think).
Is it a good engine? Any ideas?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:12:12 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components

Anyone who is needing a set of the single piston calipers that GM used
on the mid-size from '69-'77 - they are $11 w/$10 core charge at
Autozone. The cheapest I have ever found these in a resto catalog was
$49 each.

If you need some steering equipment - NEW idler arms are $12 and NEW
centerlinks are $33. These parts are the Autozone in house brand, but if
you are worried about quality - they have a lifetime warranty.

I don't work for Autozone and I am not trying to promote them - I just
found these prices to outstanding by far to anything else I have seen
and I wanted to share. Let me know if you guys want this kind of info or
not, because I have some other places I would like to tell you about.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:21:32 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Big 88 V6

> save urself some trouble get rid of the 6 and put in a 350

I don't know about that...  Sound's like a ~hell~ of a lot more work to do that
swap that it would be to change out a plastic hose!  If the engine's toasted,
maybe.  2 of my Cutlass cars are equipped like this:  81: 455.  83: 3.8L-V6.
Identical engine bays (except for some oddball metric bolts here and there)  
The
V6 takes up nearly twice the room as the Big Block does.  I can change plugs on
the 455, while ~hot,~ in less than 15 minutes.  Takes closer to 1.5 hours on
that damn 6.  So don't get me wrong, I'm all for putting a "user-friendly"
powerplant in a car.  But that '83 is going to have to self destruct violently
under the hood before I pull ~that~ damn thing out again.  I put that V6 in
there three years ago, and I still cuss the procedure.  It's almost essential 
to
drop the rear tranny mount to do the bell housing bolts.  Unbelievable.

As for popularity?  Buick's 3.8V6 went in just about everything.  Except che*y.
For your plastic elbow, you might try Napa or some sililar parts house.  I know
they carry some assortments of that type of stuff.  If not, it's not a high
pressure fitting, you could just wrap it up in black tape for awhile, to keep
the dust out.  (Make sure you clean it well, first, so it can stick properly.
Temporary band-aid, though.)


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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:31:34 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: for sale

Again, another mailing about the 1962 Olds F-85 for sale, but this time
Just goto the sight and it's got the pic and all the info you need to
know and more! Follow the links too. It's a great site! Laters, Ben
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:06:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Big 88 V6

I would think those would still be available from your friendly GM
dealer, or otherwise they ought to be plentiful in junque yards.

How does that perform in a big car like a Delta?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:54:26 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings

At 02:02 AM 7/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Wouldn't it be alot easier on the eyes if you just signed your
>>individual names to your posting???? Good lord people..let's use our >heads
>for something other than a hat rack..!!

Good lord , thats what a "From" line if for.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:03:28 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

I sure hope the edelbrock heads have hardened seats they are aluminum ya
know the hardened seats are a good idea. you'd
understand if you ever see a set with valve seat recession it is ugly
..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: My "problems"


>
>
>GT5726@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I was informed that the valves seats are going to need to be replaced
with
>> "hardended" seats...is this absolutely necessary?
>
>I don't believe it is necessary for the 65. My 62 f-85 (as I was told by
the head
>service shop when I had them worked on) doesn't need them. As a pre-caution
I used
>the lead additive when I fueled up.
>
>> The motor (the whole car for that matter) has 29,000 miles on it.If the
heads
>> are going to need work,I may
>> just go ahead and purchase the Edelbrock heads...do these have the
"hardened"
>> valve seats? I am also curious as to what you Oldsmobile "gurus" would
suggest
>> as a very "healthy" performance package.
>
>Yes the edelbrock heads have the hardened valve seats. One problem I put
myself on
>the list for heads before Jan 1. I'm still waiting on the FIRST production
to roll
>out of the factory. Edelbrock are being VERY rude about the delay and are
not
>offering any sort of compensation for the delay of SEVERAL MONTHS! If you
want a
>set you best order them NOW so you might get them by the middle of next
year.
>
>> I am confident that the 400cu.in. motor has potential...I dad had a jet
boat
>> with a 455 Olds in it...I seem to
>> remember the HP rating on the insurance policy being 500HP. I would like
to
>> make the car as fearsome as possible, with streetability being a minor
>> concerne.
>
>As far as 400 having potential... Yes they have TONS of potential. I own a
68 442
>with a 400. With a 750 quadrahet, edlebrock intake, roller tip rockers, 268
comp
>cam (very streetable and economical, but great performance) and a set of
headers,
>according to the Desktop Dyno from Mr. Gasket I should be putting out
nearly 500
>ft/lb torque and almost 400 hp. And I get close to 20 m/g highway w/ 3.08
rear.
>So, yes the 400 has TONS of potential with the right parts. If
streetability isn't
>a consern then I'd go for a 282 or 292 cam and a big ole 850 carb w/ some
forced
>air and you will SCREAM! Good luck!Ben
>

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:24:30 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components

YES! Tell us all the deals you have found...Where in Dallas do you cruise the
Olds?... I live in Dallas as well, and haven't found the "hot spots" yet...

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:43:37 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Big 88 V6

I had mine changed (81 Toro) when I had the oil done last time at Mr. Lube
which is a fast-oil-change place here.  If they stock it, it should be
easily obtainable.

Bill Bussell wrote:

> I just broke the
> 90 degree plastic elbow that connects the valve cover to the air
> cleaner.  Will I have trouble finding a replacement?
>
> Bill Bussell
> Speedway Indiana
> 'Watch the Brickyard 400 on ABC in August'



- --
Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:58:09 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Hat racks, sig files, and mee toooos

> >>Wouldn't it be alot easier on the eyes if you just signed your
> >>individual names to your posting???? let's use our >heads
> >for something other than a hat rack..!!
> Good lord , thats what a "From" line if for.

OK, time to jump on the soap box ~again~ with fire hose in hand...

With all the bandwidth wasting that happens on this list (even by me) it seems
that lengthy sig files are ~not~ the problem.  The only exception to that would
be the digest members, which is why it's encouraged to keep the sig files
relatively short.  The real time list will not have every message viewed by
every member, as many will skip right by some subjects and delete the post.  I
~strongly~ encourage keeping a sig file with name, city, mailto:_ link, and
hopepage URL.  Some mail readers are straightforward about the "From" line.
Some are down right stupid.  Let's take Netscape, for example, since that's 
what
I'm typing on right now.  I click on the From line.  It says "From: Bob
Blanchard <bob149@efortess.com>"  I click on that.  I get the message "An entry
already exists for oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca.  Would you like to replace it?"
How stupid is that?  If you click on "Reply to sender" It will reply to
oldsmobile@chebucto, ~not~ to Bob Blanchard, who, in this particualar instance
occupies the "from" line.  So, what do you do???  Simple.  click on the
address.  No wait, don't let go.  You have to try to "drag" the address
somewhere else, so it doesn't activate the link.  OK, got that done?  Right
click, and hit "copy."  No?  Try it again, it'll work, ya just gotta be
persistant about it.  NOW, you can hit reply to sender.  But, now you have to 
go
up and click on the "to" line, cut all that "oldsmobile@" line out of there, 
and
paste the ~correct~ "from" address back in there.  Oh, crap...  What's that
stuff?  Wait a minute, gotta go back and re-copy that address.  Oh screw it,
give me a pen!  What a pain in the a**, eh?  Don't believe me?  Give it a shot.
Makes it ~very~ inconvenient to reply privately to any list members.  The
~other~ option, as shown below, is to simply add a "mailto:" tag at the bottom
of the page.  See, lets try ~that.~  mailto:bob149@efortress.com  Wow, that's
quite a bit easier, eh?  Just click on that link, and there's ~no~ 
cut-n-pasting
to fuss with, no worries about "did I get it right, or is this still gonna go 
to
the list, or..."  Foolproof.  At least as foolproof as it can get.

Oh, and the "Bob Blanchard" part.  Bob, I ain't picking on you by using your
address there.  Your's is the only post I haven't deleted, and I didn't take
note of the "hat rack" post-er.

Also, some (namely me) have a page specifically reserved for list problems,
things like this that seem to come up often, and that nobody seems to read,
because they're always popping up to ask how to unsubs*ribe, etc.  Nobody saves
the original subscription mailing, apparantly, so some of us keep a help page
for the list members to use.  I have mine linked, ~of course~ in my sig file.
That's where it belongs.  If it's on every one of my messages, than sooner or
later, ~everyone's~ going to see it.  And, God forbid, ~some~ may even learn
from it, and remember at the last minute ~not~ to hit send with that big binary
attached to the list address.  I can only hope that helps.  My sig file is a
little longer than I'd like it to be, and probably a touch more than it needs 
to
be, but I want to draw ~particular~ attention to that FAQ page on ~every~ post.
Learning by repetition, I believe it how that goes.  Perfection by redundancy,
I'll say again.  :)

Charley










Sorry Digest folks, I had to do that to make a point.  Kinda sucks not having
enough pertinant information there, doesn't it?
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:20:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Steve Utick <sutick@mt.net>
Subject: Finally got some pictures up

I've been lurking on the list for quite a while.  Really enjoyed a lot of
the discussions.  I finally decided to dust off the scanner and get some
pictures of my 71 442 up on a web page.  If anyone cares to take a look,
they are at: http://www.mt.net/~sutick/olds

Let me know what ya think....

- -------------------------
Steve Utick
From the Heart of MONTANA
sutick@mt.net
http://www.mt.net/~sutick
_________________________

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:23:19, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: Oldsmobile 1942 B44

Yep they went half a model year in 1942 before the war... There's
some pics of some '42's in Setting the Pace... Incedentally... I've
got a 1942 factory shop manual at home!

Peace...
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com


> << Mr. Beaulieu, I am sending the pictuare of my OLDSMOBILE 1942
B44 I would
>  like to know owners of the same model of OLDSMOBILE  >>

> Must be rare. I thought they just about stopped production because
of the war.
> Maybe it was a leftover '41.
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:29:32 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Finally got some pictures up

It's a nice looking car!...I'm just curious ...why didn't you repaint it "Lime
Green"?...Just a joke!

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:34:01 -0400
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Indy 500 Doc's (1970): Web Page-- Ready for Downloads

All,

I have had multiple requests for the .jpg files containing the copies of
the Group Selling
Activities Department of Oldsmobile and the pertinent information
regarding the cars that were part of the Indianapolis 500. (in '70)  The
information includes the individual car  VIN #'s, Body style, who the
cars were assigned to, etc....

To make things easier, I put the files on the below Web page for your
downloading pleasure.  Remember,  these are copies of copies of copies
and are not of the greatest quality.  Nevertheless they are very
interesting if this is something you're into.  I would suggest to view
these correctly, right click on the link and download the file to your
PC then view in your favorite PIC software.  I did not optimize the
files for WEB viewing.

http://www.bright.net/~khooping/indypacecar.html

Enjoy!

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.
mailto:khooping@bright.net

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:37:10 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Unicase Trannies

Message text written by DYeager
     I don't think the Unicase trannies are very common..out of 4
Olds/Chevys
that vintage I have swapped trannies on, only one had the unicase, and like
I
said earlier, it was a V-6. Maybe only BOPC used that pattern of housing,
and
only on certain vehicles, why? I would also like to know that.   Dorian<

When we built THM-350s and THM-250s, we were still a Chevrolet Plant.
However, we did make different cases for the Chevy and the BOP trannies.
We never made a unicase for either the 350 or the 250.  The 350 was made at
other plants (Buick City, Toledo, Windsor).  Toledo was Chevy only, Buick
City and Windsor was BOP, but if there was a unicase 350, Buick City or
Windsor probably made it. I have never seen one on a 350, but that doesn't
mean they dont exist. (and I dont want to start the bolt pattern thread
again).  The 200-4R and I believe the 200-C had universal bolt pattern
cases.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:45:40 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Unicase Trannies

Steve, thanks for the info. The unicase 350 I have also has the lockup
solenoid switch. What year did GM go to that on these cars? And also, what is
the weight of the G-body(correct body letter?) '86 with a V8?  Dorian

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:15:16 -0400
From: "Dan" <dsm137@gti.net>
Subject: Re: Hat racks, sig files, and mee toooos

Enough is enough already......all this junk is definitely a waste of
bandwidth.
Dan.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 8:06 PM
Subject: Hat racks, sig files, and mee toooos


>> >>Wouldn't it be alot easier on the eyes if you just signed your
>> >>individual names to your posting???? let's use our >heads
>> >for something other than a hat rack..!!
>> Good lord , thats what a "From" line if for.
>
>OK, time to jump on the soap box ~again~ with fire hose in hand...
>
>With all the bandwidth wasting that happens on this list (even by me) it
seems
>that lengthy sig files are ~not~ the problem.  The only exception to that
would
>be the digest members, which is why it's encouraged to keep the sig files
>relatively short.  The real time list will not have every message viewed by
>every member, as many will skip right by some subjects and delete the post.
I
>~strongly~ encourage keeping a sig file with name, city, mailto:_ link, and
>hopepage URL.  Some mail readers are straightforward about the "From" line.
>Some are down right stupid.  Let's take Netscape, for example, since that's
what
>I'm typing on right now.  I click on the From line.  It says "From: Bob
>Blanchard <bob149@efortess.com>"  I click on that.  I get the message "An
entry
>already exists for oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca.  Would you like to replace
it?"
>How stupid is that?  If you click on "Reply to sender" It will reply to
>oldsmobile@chebucto, ~not~ to Bob Blanchard, who, in this particualar
instance
>occupies the "from" line.  So, what do you do???  Simple.  click on the
>address.  No wait, don't let go.  You have to try to "drag" the address
>somewhere else, so it doesn't activate the link.  OK, got that done?  Right
>click, and hit "copy."  No?  Try it again, it'll work, ya just gotta be
>persistant about it.  NOW, you can hit reply to sender.  But, now you have
to go
>up and click on the "to" line, cut all that "oldsmobile@" line out of
there, and
>paste the ~correct~ "from" address back in there.  Oh, crap...  What's that
>stuff?  Wait a minute, gotta go back and re-copy that address.  Oh screw
it,
>give me a pen!  What a pain in the a**, eh?  Don't believe me?  Give it a
shot.
>Makes it ~very~ inconvenient to reply privately to any list members.  The
>~other~ option, as shown below, is to simply add a "mailto:" tag at the
bottom
>of the page.  See, lets try ~that.~  mailto:bob149@efortress.com  Wow,
that's
>quite a bit easier, eh?  Just click on that link, and there's ~no~
cut-n-pasting
>to fuss with, no worries about "did I get it right, or is this still gonna
go to
>the list, or..."  Foolproof.  At least as foolproof as it can get.
>
>Oh, and the "Bob Blanchard" part.  Bob, I ain't picking on you by using
your
>address there.  Your's is the only post I haven't deleted, and I didn't
take
>note of the "hat rack" post-er.
>
>Also, some (namely me) have a page specifically reserved for list problems,
>things like this that seem to come up often, and that nobody seems to read,
>because they're always popping up to ask how to unsubs*ribe, etc.  Nobody
saves
>the original subscription mailing, apparantly, so some of us keep a help
page
>for the list members to use.  I have mine linked, ~of course~ in my sig
file.
>That's where it belongs.  If it's on every one of my messages, than sooner
or
>later, ~everyone's~ going to see it.  And, God forbid, ~some~ may even
learn
>from it, and remember at the last minute ~not~ to hit send with that big
binary
>attached to the list address.  I can only hope that helps.  My sig file is
a
>little longer than I'd like it to be, and probably a touch more than it
needs to
>be, but I want to draw ~particular~ attention to that FAQ page on ~every~
post.
>Learning by repetition, I believe it how that goes.  Perfection by
redundancy,
>I'll say again.  :)
>
>Charley
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sorry Digest folks, I had to do that to make a point.  Kinda sucks not
having
>enough pertinant information there, doesn't it?
>Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
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>

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:17:08 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Back from road trip

Well, I'm back, and really early.  I'll now ask the classic question, what did
I miss?  I started out from MN, and proceded down to Chicago.  No problems
there, except I had to cut off about four cars to get to the right exit.
Chicago is a nice place for bird watching. :)  On the way down to Chicago, in
Wisconsin somewhere, I saw a really nice 78-80 gold 442.  I'm just mentioning
this in case the owner is a list member.  I then went to Greenfield Indiana to
a family reunion, and camped there for 2 nights.  While there, I got two cans
of refrigerant from my grandpa who hoarded them a while ago.  I will have it
put in after I get a working compressor from a junkyard.  We then went up to
Jackson Michigan, and went to the Cascades, because there was NOTHING else to
do there in Jackson.  That was awful because I had one hubcap ripped off, and
a second was loose.  After I was done yelling and honking my horn to piss off
other people, I went to Lansing the next day.  I saw the Olds museum, and took
lots off pictures.  They will be developed by Monday, and I will try to post
them on my site before I leave for Texas on Tuesday.  It's kind of funny, I
looked in the museum director's parking space, and saw a fairly new Mustang.
Actually, there was only one Olds in the lot other than mine.  Then I drove up
to Mackinaw City, and that was cool.  I stayed there for three days.  I have
some good pictures of there, and of the bridge.  After staying there, I went
to Ludington, and took the carferry, and after that, we all were too hot and
tired from driving, so we just decided to stay in a hotel for the night, and
go home, so that's why I got back so early.  By the way, if anyone lives where
I was, or was traveling in the same area, my car was the dirty delta with
bikes hanging 3 feet off the back. :)

Good to be back,
Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://www.oldsmobile.home.ml.org
I will add a new line to my sig because Charley requested it- (I saw the post)
Burnsville, MN

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:31:25 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Finally got some pictures up

Steve Utick wrote:
> pictures of my 71 442 up on a web page.
> they are at: http://www.mt.net/~sutick/olds

Ah, yes...  $4487.09....  Those were the days, eh???  Dealer prep &
conditioning, $65?  Man, ya sure won't see that now!!!  Induction system,
$157.98?  Wow.  Wonder what marketting genious came up with the "odd-cents"
retail pricing system...  The could have saved thousands of dollars in ink if
they'd just rounded up.  Don't think anybody would care about them extra two
cents, right?  Especially nowadays.  Ya know, for the base model Geo, 
$38592.03,
right?  Like they really need those last three cents out of ya!   Like 
someone's
~actually~ gonna say "knock off them three cent's and you got a deal!"  That
cracks me up.  If I ever go to sell one of my cars, I'll probably put it up at
$3500.01, just because!  :)

Anyway, great car Steve.  I see you decided to ~not~ keep those two whip
antennas?  But they added so much  :)  Take care,

> Steve Utick
> >From the Heart of MONTANA

- --Oldsmagnet
- --From the Rectum of MONTANA
	(even though we're nowhere near Butte)
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:45:03 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Listmemebers meeting at Nationals

OK, not too many suggestions were made for a meeting point.  Someone keeps
bringing up Everett's swap meet spot indoors, which is cool by me.  So now
all we need is a good time and date. I suggest thursday afternoon/evening.

Lets get a move on folks.  Most of us are probably leaving soon.


Bill Reilly
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: 65 Delta 88 Brakes

     Hey gang. I just unearthed the 65 Delta from its' parking spot in
the backyard. I want to start driving it some more. However, it loses
brake fluid slowly. I think the master cylinder is bad. I do intend to
go through the whole hydraulic system. My questions are:

1) Can I use a 67-up power drum style dual master cylinder with my
original power booster? I have the Moraine style master cylinder. I
guess the same question applies to our 66 Toro...oops wrong list for
that question :)

2) I saw an advert for Master Power Brakes. They offer a disc
conversion for the 65-70 big Olds (and Pontiac) that seems to use
later rotors/calipers. Has anyone scoped this out? Karl? Remember I
need to keep the LF wheel speedomemter drive! Not sure if my trans has
a plug in the speedo drive hole or it may be cast shut!

3) Of course scoring an OEM 65-70 disc setup would be way too cool!
Anybody got one?

P.S. I am getting the dragstrip itch again. I think I'll take the '65
and see what it'll do! (425 2V, single exhaust) Results will be posted
here!

==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:53:51 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Price busters - '69-'77 brake calipers & steering components

Stephen,

Thanks for that info - I was just going to get rebuild kits for the calipers
on the race car.  We use those both on the front and back suspensions (back
with weld-on brackets) and at this price I can dig out my cores and get spares
too.

Thanks again,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:04:40 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: diode needed

>
>List,
>    I am in search of a 10 amp diode a can put in line when I install
>me hi-tork mini starter. This will go in the line to the coil so I do not
>get
>the 6 volt feed back when I am running.

Can't help you with finding a diode but if you can't find one how about
using a 10 amp relay?  Energizes with the starter switch and shuts off in 
"run".

Just a though.

Greg Pruett              72 Vista Cruiser            67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:58:07 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

In a message dated 98-07-11 14:35:50 EDT, you write:

<<  I noticed that when the car is at full operating temp.(approx. 200*) I
hear what seems to be "ratteling"/"knocking" when accelerating. >>

Ummm.

This could be a very simple fix depending on what the "rattle" truly is.

This might be a rash hallucination, but your engine could be "ping"-ing.
Ping, on my car sounds like marbles being shaken in a coffee can.

If this is the case your timing is too advanced.

During the resto, was the distributor touched at all?
Were the springs/weights changed?

Did you set your dwell to 30 degrees and your timing to 7.5 BTDC?

If you did, and nothing else is changed it is possible you have a bad vacc
advance or need to replace the vacc hose to the vacc advance.

But then that is just a wild hallucination.
And I have had this headache all day......

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:08:47 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Back from road trip

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Oh-  I forgot one thing.  In Wisconsin earlier today, I was being tailgated by
a semi who decided he had to go 990 mph.  I was passing a bunch of slow cars,
and I was going 72 or so, which was over the limit anyway.  He then turned on
his brights, which didn't bother me because I had my shades on, so I slowed
down to 55 (the limit was 65).  He didn't like that, so he decided he had to
be about a half an inch from the bikes, and when I was done passing, he flew
by me, and he saw one of my fingers flying out my open window (you know which
one).  I then noticed it was an Oldsmobile truck!  It was a promotional truck
for the Alero, and I thought that was the most ironic thing.  I also noticed
there was no "How'm I driving?" sticker on his truck.  I am going to call the
Alero hotline (1-877-ALERO-4-U), and bitch at them for fun.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:04:11 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Unicase Trannies

Steve,

I have to vouch for a TH-350 Unicase.  It's in the Starfire, and I have found
a copy of the build sheet in there when I removed the door upholstery to
repaint the car.  The engine is a 3.8L (231c.i.) V-6.  Haven't looked at it
lately, but I believe the car was assembled at Lordstown.  Next time I crawl
under the car, I'll look for a tranny code on the case.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:16:15 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Finally got some pictures up

Steve,

Great pictures!  I remember finding one of those build sheets in my 70 Cutlass
Supreme SX, neat piece of history.  Now, if I can remember where I put
it...........

Hey, I used to have a set of those antennas on my car - back in '79 & 80.
Then I put them on the sides of the decklid, with brackets that would slide
off and in the trunk if not needed.  Reminded me back then of the old late
50's/ early 60's cars with the dual trunk-mounted antennas.  They did look
better back there than on the roof......

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:13:10 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: My "problems"

sounds like a ping to me too try using premium gas or octane boost and see
if it smooths out or just arbitrarily retard the timing a few degrees to see
if it goes away use a timing light that way you can tell how much you do
move it disconnect the vac advance when you do this then check the timing
with the vac on and the engine spinning about 1 grand then spin it up to
about 3 grand and hold to check it there you should have about 35 deg at
this point    oh did i mention that you need an advance type timing light?
well you do sun makes a good affordable one good luck......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: My "problems"


>In a message dated 98-07-11 14:35:50 EDT, you write:
>
><<  I noticed that when the car is at full operating temp.(approx. 200*) I
>hear what seems to be "ratteling"/"knocking" when accelerating. >>
>
>Ummm.
>
>This could be a very simple fix depending on what the "rattle" truly is.
>
>This might be a rash hallucination, but your engine could be "ping"-ing.
>Ping, on my car sounds like marbles being shaken in a coffee can.
>
>If this is the case your timing is too advanced.
>
>During the resto, was the distributor touched at all?
>Were the springs/weights changed?
>
>Did you set your dwell to 30 degrees and your timing to 7.5 BTDC?
>
>If you did, and nothing else is changed it is possible you have a bad vacc
>advance or need to replace the vacc hose to the vacc advance.
>
>But then that is just a wild hallucination.
>And I have had this headache all day......
>
>KA
>&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:22:47, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: Clayton's Dilemma

<< as a '65 full-size is a bit much to use for a daily driver ;-) >>

> Hiya Clayton!
Hiya Karl...


> Suprised to find you are overwhelmed at the thought of a Cutlass -
whoops!
> Pardon me, wrong name, it is rather  - an F-85 on a daily basis.

Ahhh... you misread my comment... I have no problem with a '65
Cutlass as a daily driver... it's the '65 Bonneville I'm driving now
I was referring to... I make trips downtown a lot... and through ETSU
a lot and go to school there... and parking spots just aren't what
they used to be... Oh it's doable... I'm doing it now... but not
always fun... you gotta admit... a '65 Bonneville is a heck of a
lotta' car ;-)

I'd be happy to be driving a sub-compact like an F85 ;-)

After some further thought though... I'm thinking about just staying
with the Bonny for now... it runs good... drive's good... a few fixes
here and there and it'd make me a much more enjoyable car... I may
look into getting that '84 Delta 88... that'd be a nice car I'd bet...
 provided with a little bit more motivation... say a 455 ;-)  Found
some more info on some of the cars too... the '76 Cutlass with the T-
tops... well little worse rust than I had at first though... actually.
.. for an original 67k mile car... it must'a originally come from
Halifax, NS (GREG :)  ) or something... so that'n's out.  The '84
keeps sounding better and better... there's the 442 with the Chev. BB.
.. but it sounds pretty ragged...
The '65 sounds great... but I haven't seen it yet... and don't know
true condition.

> Would you be kind enough to put me in touch with the seller?

Will do... be tomorrow before I can get back to you
don't really know anything about it though... I may look at it
tomorrow... if it's really nice... I might steal it out from under
you ;-)

> Providing that you as a student go with the '84 88. You should be
able to cure
> the knocking and it  will give you the best mileage of the lot.

Phah... mileage... I'm driving a '65 Bonneville... do you really
think I give a rat about mileage ;-)  I care about comfort,
reliability, and performance... the last of which I imagine that that
88 is lacking in... at least in it's stock form ;-)

> Besides, you gotta be careful with those loans! Man am I ever
paying for
>carelessness with mine!

Yeah I know... I've tried as hard as I could not to need any... but I
just don't think I can afford my classes otherwise this semester...
my cr*p job has got me limited to only 20 hours a week because of
"downsizing" and I can barely pay my rent and other bills on that...
less save for tuition... I haven't done too bad... this will be my
first loan and I'm a junior at ETSU.  I will either use part of that
money to get another car... or use the same money to increase the
poncho's enjoyability factor... new radiator... some body work here
and there... interior work... new carpet... a radio other than AM...
will have to completely redo electronics... and she really needs a
coat of paint... at least primer too.  Upon thinking more on things...
 that may be my best bet...

> Karl

Peace... Clay

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:22:42 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Unicase Trannies

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
> Steve, thanks for the info. The unicase 350 I have also has the lockup
> solenoid switch. What year did GM go to that on these cars? And also, what is
> the weight of the G-body(correct body letter?) '86 with a V8?  Dorian

I show the lockup TH-350 to first be available in '78. Anyone else?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:27:55 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Unicase Trannies

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I have to vouch for a TH-350 Unicase.  It's in the Starfire, and I have found
> a copy of the build sheet in there when I removed the door upholstery to
> repaint the car.  The engine is a 3.8L (231c.i.) V-6.  Haven't looked at it
> lately, but I believe the car was assembled at Lordstown.  Next time I crawl
> under the car, I'll look for a tranny code on the case.
>
> Take Care,
> Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas


Something I would like to know, but doubt if we could ever found out -
besides when they start using these - how about why? What was it about a
car that earned it a Unicase - or was purely random. I am not
knowledgable about auto manufacturing techniques, but it doesn't seem
profitable or even make sense to produce these randomly. Were they
perhaps a service replacement? Maybe so the dealer's didn't have to
stock 2 seperate transmissions - of course based on that argument, you
would think that GM would have a coporate engine bellhousing. Anyone
want to shead any light on this subject?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:35:30 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Price busters

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
>
> YES! Tell us all the deals you have found...Where in Dallas do you cruise the
> Olds?... I live in Dallas as well, and haven't found the "hot spots" yet...


For those of you who need '69-'72 rotors - J.C.Whitney has these in
stock for $49 each - half price of every place I have seen.

There is a company in Mesquite, called Transtar Industries, that have
automatic transmission flywheels for $22 new. I think $38 is what I see
commonly elsewhere.

As I mentioned earlier, Bud's radiator has 4-cores for A-bodys for $209,
about $40-$50 cheaper than I have seen elsewhere. 3-cores are $169.

Autozone has remanufactured steering boxes w/lifetime warranty for $125.
Word of caution - you cannot get the ratio you want.

As far as cruising the Olds, well I cruise in the driveway. I have had
the finances to recover from my motor screw up yet, but I'll let you
know.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:43:07 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Clayton's Dilemma

you said you were considering an 84 delta?  it will be the nicest car you'll
ever have (if it has AC, otherwise it's an oven, especially on road trips).
if you find one with a good interior, try to find power seats.  i'm trying to
get at least a driver's side one for mine.

Joe Sherbanenko
84 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
88 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
http://www.oldsmobile.home.ml.org
Burnsville, MN

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:57:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Unicase Trannies

>
>
>Something I would like to know, but doubt if we could ever found out -
>besides when they start using these - how about why? What was it about a
>car that earned it a Unicase - or was purely random. I am not
>knowledgable about auto manufacturing techniques, but it doesn't seem
>profitable or even make sense to produce these randomly. Were they
>perhaps a service replacement?

They could have been replacements, but in the '77's , '78's
they might have been a neccesity to keep production up.
 The Olds engine foundries were shut down for retooling and alot
of chevy engines were going into Olds cars on the assembly line.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:07:41 -0400
From: "Daniel S. Jones" <dclover@epix.net>
Subject: Re: diode needed

Tech america  800-877-0072 has diodes in axial cases from 50 v @ 6 amps:
you can parallel two of  these to get 12 amps  @ 25 volts.   Or go for
the dual diode config in a transistor style case for 50v @ 16
amps---plus you can heat sink it if you need to.   Or call Newark
Electronics (800-4-NEWARK), or Allied (800-433-5700), or a local decent
electronics store--not radio shack--should be able to help you.

Or you may be able to get a diode from a shop which repairs
alternators---especially if they work on ambulance and police cars.
Don't know if these would work directly, but you can ask.

Happy hunting!

Dan
1970 Cutlass Supreme Convert--just starting to get it back in decent
shape- bye-bye$$!
but only 67K original miles.
Patton wrote:

> List,
>     I am in search of a 10 amp diode a can put in line when I install
> me hi-tork mini starter. This will go in the line to the coil so I do
> not
> get
> the 6 volt feed back when I am running. The mini starters\ do not have
>
> a post for the lead like the Delco units have. Both wires go on the
> same
> post - thus the need for the diode...(lets voltage flow one way)
>
>                     Tanks
>                     The General

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