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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, July 28 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1392



66 trunk lid
Re: 66 trunk lid
Re: 66 trunk lid
5L40-E
RE: 66 trunk lid
Re: 79 442 Fastback?????
Re: Lighting problem
A Fine Olds Day
Re: Report from Carlisle
Re: Lighting problem
Re: Do Not Need 1965-7 (??) early pattern flywheel for 425
RE: A Fine Olds Day
th350 bracket
Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442
Re: th350 bracket
Re: th350 bracket
Burnout Page
442 transmission ID
Re: Olds Heads
w-30 parts
Re: Lighting problem
Re: w-30 parts
Re: 1983 Olds Delta 88
Re: trans, what should i do?
Re: Lighting problem
Fw: DMR event-455 tuning
Re: w-30 parts
re: 70 442 What's it worth?
Re: w-30 parts
why is my Olds shaking?
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
Re: WANTED: 442 Conv. Frame
Re: w-30 parts
Re: Spark plug question
Re: Glowing spark plugs
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442
Re: hey g-body guys  !!
Dual-gate adjustment
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
I'm really desperate...
Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: Ontario
Re: 79 442 Fastback?????
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
BB Intake size, was: I'm really desperate...
'65 Cutlass Question
Re: I'm really desperate...
'65 Cutlass Question
Trans cooler
Re: 455 -Brakes Wont Hold
Re: I'm really desperate...
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
G-body heater hose questions
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: G-body heater hose questions
Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442
Re: w-30 parts
CLOSED
Re: 455 -Brakes Wont Hold
Re: 442 transmission ID
Re: why is my Olds shaking?
Re: Glowing spark plugs

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:17:36 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: 66 trunk lid

Just curious, what else would a 66 Cutlass trunk lid from a 4 dr fit?
A 2dr, conv and/or supreme from 66 or just a 4dr?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:25:31 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 66 trunk lid

In a message dated 98-07-27 15:19:29 EDT, you write:

<< Just curious, what else would a 66 Cutlass trunk lid from a 4 dr fit?
 A 2dr, conv and/or supreme from 66 or just a 4dr? >>


Olds F85 '66-'67. No distinction listed between 2 and 4 dr's. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:26:42 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 66 trunk lid

Just curious, what else would a 66 Cutlass trunk lid from a 4 dr fit?
A 2dr, conv and/or supreme from 66 or just a 4dr?

Chris Smetana
_________________

Chris,

If memory serves,the trunk lid will interchange on all body styles of 66-67
Olds A-body cars.  Trim holes, etc may be different, but the lid should be
the same.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:48:22 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 5L40-E

Message text written by Joe
>Steve,

Is this one of those deals where they magically got an extra gear by
engaging the overdrive gear in first or second?  I seem to recall that
Toyota did something like this.
<

As far as I know of - no, this doesn't do that.  But I am not positive. The
gear ratios, including reverse are all different between the 5L40 and the
4L40


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:52:37 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 66 trunk lid

Thanks guys.
So now I guess my next question is, Is anybody interested in one?  From
what I remember it is mint, no chrome, no rust, don't recall if any
small dings or dents.  And its blue.  If somebody is interested I'll
post a msg a few days before I plan on going to see it, which may be in
a couple weeks.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>If memory serves,the trunk lid will interchange on all body styles of 66-67
>Olds A-body cars.  Trim holes, etc may be different, but the lid should be
>the same.
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:00:18 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 79 442 Fastback?????

Got both yellow and orange both in real good shape orange came with a
racetrack set called criss-cross-crash the other car with the set was a
f*rd...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: 79 442 Fastback?????


>On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
>> OK, our salesman has this knack for finding cool stuff...  Actually, I
>~think~
>> it's called kids...  Anyway, his kid found this Hot Wheels car.  Labelled
> as
>> 78, called "FlatOut 442"    Fastback, yellow, ground effects, sponsor
>stickers,
>> ~big~ 442 on doors...  79 Grille, little hood scoop, kinda cool...
>Different.
>> Any sightings???
>
>*****************
>Got one, but mine's painted orange rather than yellow.  Bought it way back
>when and it's been played with occasionally by the nephew-types, but is
>still in pretty good shape.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting problem

Still going through back digests; don't know if this was ever answered or not:

>...I have a '69 442. Recently all my parking lights konked out. The headlights
>still work fine, as do my blinkers and brake lights...My dashboard lights
also >went out at the same time. Could there be any connection between the two?
>    I would appreciate any help with this problem. Thanks!!
>
>                                         Tom
______________

Connection?  You betcha!  I chased this gremlin on my first 442 for months
until I found the problem.  In my case, the dash and park lights would blow
the fuse for no apparent reason.  A replacement fuse would also blow.  This
would go on for a couple of days, then mysteriously the problem would vanish
for a month or so.  As you can guess, the park, tail lights, and dash lights
are all on one circuit, though the dash lights have an additional 4 amp fuse
in series.  Look for a short somewhere in this circuit (like _that's_ easy to
find).

Oh, the problem on my 442?  It turns out that the underhood light feed is also
on the same circuit.  The only problem is that I didn't have an underhood
light in that car.  The feed wire was just hanging from the firewall harness,
and with the right bump, would touch a header pipe.  Needless to say, the
insulation had been melted through, and on the right bump, it would short out
and blow the fuse.  After a couple of days of this, another well-placed bump
would move the wire to a harmless position, only to have the cycle repeat at
some point in the future.  Needless to say, I got very intimate with the
wiring diagram for 1968 before I found the problem.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30




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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:39:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: A Fine Olds Day

Yesterday was my birthday (I'm one 4 short of being a 442) and the
celebrations that started Friday came to a nice conclusion. I got a call
from my pal Brian inviting me to a car show nearby. I took the Cutlass,
he took his '71 SX, and away we went. There were a few other Oldses
there, a nice '74 Supreme we had never seen before, and a '68 that needed
some work but for which mine served as inspiration for the owner, a nice
young fellow named Adam.

Brian had forgotten it was my birthday but on hearing the news treated me
to a Baskin-Robbins chocolate peanut-butter cone, the best ice cream in
the world as far as I'm concerned. :) At the show itself we both received
lots of compliments on our cars, and I won a nice MagLite as a prize. No
trophy for me, but Brian's car was awarded Sponsor's Choice -- they
announced that it was the most impressive car there, and there were some
nice ones from the 50s and 60s. As we were leaving we both ogled a neat
'63 Buick Wildcat (we both have a soft spot for Buicks), for sale for only
$10K. :o

He invited me back to his place for dinner and that was great as always --
he is married to the most extraordinary lady. As a birthday treat he let
me take his SX for a drive. Wow, what a great car that is. I like my car a
lot, but his with the 455 and dual gate is something else. No substitute
for cubic inches, as they say. The day made turning 42 almost worthwhile.
;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:08:25 -0500
From: eichholz <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Report from Carlisle

Hi Joe;
       Hey,do you remeber that part number you gave me?I found it in
Missouri.The number to the place is(Greg Buick-Pont)816-232-4413.Let me
know how it comes out.The person we talked to didn't know what they
would want for it,but they would talk to you and work it out.  Let me
know.   Tony

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:21:21 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting problem

>> ...I have a '69 442. Recently all my parking lights konked out.
>> The headlights still work fine, as do my blinkers and brake
>> lights...My dashboard lights also went out at the same time.
>> Could there be any connection between the two?
[...]
> As you can guess, the park, tail lights, and dash lights
> are all on one circuit, though the dash lights have an
> additional 4 amp fuse in series.

IIRC, the dash lights are "downstream" from the exterior lighting
on the same circuit (i.e. it's kind of a sub-branch), presumably
so that if your external lighting burns out, your dead dashboard
lighting will give you a clue that something's wrong. (Headlamps
are always on a separate breaker-protected circuit.)

If your dash lamps are dark but your exterior lighting is fine,
the problem is in your dash lights. If exterior and interior
circuits both go dead at the same time, the problem is probably
with an external light or circuit.

My favorite episode was cranking down the lug wrench nice and
tight in the trunk, until it pinched the right rear marker lamp
wire. Didn't actually blow the fuse until I was cruising along
a bumpy road at night, of course...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:31:35 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Do Not Need 1965-7 (??) early pattern flywheel for 425

> Thanks much for the offer Joe!
>
> << padavano.joe@orbital.com  (work)
>  joe_padavano@orbital.com  (home)  >>
>
> Knew there was _some_ reason I could not recall his
> addresse off-hand.....
>
><<  [hole in battery]  >>
>
> Pretty embarrassing really.

Hey! Don't I get any credit here?

My posting to Olds List, 7/22/1998:

> Karl writes:
>> Now on third starter this month.
>> Turn key....clicliclicliclilcilcliclick from solenoid.
>>
>> Get under there.....starter gear stuck on flywheel...?
>
> Gee, Karl, that sounds more like a weak battery to me.

- -- Andy, who puts on his best pouty face and stomps off home...

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:41:06 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: A Fine Olds Day

Well, well, happy belated birthday Greg. Sounds like a good day to me
too. I'd let you drive my '72 442, but you need to be in Toronto to do
that. maybe next year.....(mark on calendar)...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Greg Beaulieu [SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
> Sent:	Monday, July 27, 1998 4:40 PM
> To:	Oldsmobile
> Subject:	A Fine Olds Day
>
>
> Yesterday was my birthday (I'm one 4 short of being a 442) and the
	[Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]]  ....snip a lot

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:48:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: th350 bracket

I need the bracket that connects the cable from a console shifter to a
th350 transmission.  This is for a '70 Cutlass.  The local dealer says
the part shows discontinued, but he can get the bracket for a '75.  It
is part #9795915.  Does anyone know if this is the same part, and/or
will it work for my car?

TIA

==
Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
1553 Read Road
Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
(608) 756-4352

'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:43:43 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442

Is there anyone in Ohio who has established the collector's status for
their 1987 or similar Olds 442.  I just received a letter from the state
stating that I cannot renew my Collector's Plates on my 442 because it is
not listed in the National Automobile Dealers Association Classic,
Collectible, and Special Interest Car Appraisal Guide.  The state of Ohio
also uses The New Complete Book of Collectible Cars 1930-1990 (Consumer
Guide).  I need to send substantiation from the manufacturer that the 1987
442 is a collectible vehicle.  Has anyone in Ohio been through this?

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:45:50 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: th350 bracket

might have the very thing but you may have to wait a month for it gotta hunt
it down if I have it just pay the freight and its yours...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 2:57 PM
Subject: th350 bracket


>I need the bracket that connects the cable from a console shifter to a
>th350 transmission.  This is for a '70 Cutlass.  The local dealer says
>the part shows discontinued, but he can get the bracket for a '75.  It
>is part #9795915.  Does anyone know if this is the same part, and/or
>will it work for my car?
>
>TIA
>
>==
>Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
>1553 Read Road
>Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
>(608) 756-4352
>
>'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
>'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:47:17 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: th350 bracket

sorry for the double but that 69 cutlass "parts car" does it have a left
front eyebrow moulding on it may be able to do a trade...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 2:57 PM
Subject: th350 bracket


>I need the bracket that connects the cable from a console shifter to a
>th350 transmission.  This is for a '70 Cutlass.  The local dealer says
>the part shows discontinued, but he can get the bracket for a '75.  It
>is part #9795915.  Does anyone know if this is the same part, and/or
>will it work for my car?
>
>TIA
>
>==
>Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
>1553 Read Road
>Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
>(608) 756-4352
>
>'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
>'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Burnout Page

Hi Gang,
        Hope everyone's day was OK for a Monday.The new burnout page
is up and running.If anyone has some pics, send them to me and I'll
post'em (or should that be ROAST'em).You can access this page at:
   http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

                      OR
    you can access it through my main page

       C'Ya
             John


==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:40:56 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 442 transmission ID

List members,
  I did not receive an answer to my question so I will ask again.  What
is the transmission ID code for a 1973 442 with the 455?
  Any information will be appreciated.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:40:24 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Heads

Roger,

This is exactly what I've read in numerous articles and from Mondello.  You
would need to do some shaving but they claim to have left plenty of
material for this reason.  To make matters complicated, I've had a deposit
on these heads for close to 3 months now.  They are still not in production
yet.

John
jgill@idmi.com

- ----------
> I called Jegs catalog to ask them about the Eldelbrock heads and they
said
> they work but they must be machined to make the ports match up right,  Is
> this true or did I get a ignorant salesperson?
>
>
> Eldelbrock has aluminum heads that will work.....one catch , you have to
> use the #7111 Preformer RPM Intake because the heads are intended for use
> on a 455, your compression will aslo drop a few points depending on your
> pistons.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:15:09 +0100
From: "robert neumann" <raneuma@ibm.net>
Subject: w-30 parts

To those of you who were interested in my w-30 parts some time ago, I have
inventoried and priced the following:
All parts are from VIN 344870m182223 built in November, 1969.
1. f-heads $1200 for the pair.
2. Aluminum intake manifold $1100
3. Orignal equipment air cleaner with working vacuum operator $600
4. Rocket rally pak including bezel $500
5. 3.42 rear axle rugged  shape $200
6.  Muncie M-21 close-ration four speed-Hurst T-handle shifer-$900
7.  Hood with screen-Damaged $250
8. Tilt-steering column $400
9. Am-Fm Stereo radio $250
10. 455 engine block with oil pan and fuel pump.  Make offer
11.  clutch fan ?
12. front bumper $200 can be polished could be rechromed
13. rear bumper one end bent- $150
14. various window moldings $40 each
15. various interior trim panels
16. Brake booster
17. clutch pressure plate and belleville spring
18. Flywheel
19. left and right doors with some damage on one and a big dent in the
other.
20.  Auto door lock linkages and motors
21. Power window linkages and motors
22. Bucket seats-need new hard trim
23. front radiator brace
24. 4 ss 1 wheels need paint
25. Original radiator
26. heater core
27. rear window defogger
28. Original seatbelts
29. Left front fender
I'll sell the whole garage full of stuff for $7000 or best offer.
Bob Neumann
marysville, Mi
If you are serious, I'll give you my address and phone number.  I don't have
much money for shipping so I would like to have people within driving
distance of my house contact me.  I'll only take cash, cashier's check or
money order or will ship COD cash if necessary.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:16:55 EDT
From: <TomW30@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting problem

 Thanks for the suggestion on the lighting problem, Joe. Here's where I'm at.
Have checked and re-checked all the fuses.....they are all fine. As best I can
tell the wiring under the dash is OK. I am missing the underhood light so
tomorrow I will check that out. The guy who owned the car before me was not
worried about future owners. When the headlight switch knob loosened up he
epoxied it back on the shaft. I'm still trying to figure out how to remove the
knob so that I can remove the entire switch and test it out. I may wind up
just cutting the stem.
    I really appreciate both your suggestion as well as all the others offered
by fellow Olds enthusiasts. Will keep at it and let you all know how I make
out.

                      Thanks,
                                         Tom R.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:23:14 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: w-30 parts

Are you looking to retire early?

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:31:54 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1983 Olds Delta 88

how much do you want is it a 4 door or 2 if it is a 2 how is the rear quarters
and doors i'm looking for a parts car for my 84 delta 2 door i have alreay put
a new exhaust 255/60/15's at all 4 corners don't want to give it up cause the
body is bad

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:39:18 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: trans, what should i do?

>I want to start doing something and I thought it may be a good idea to
>redo this trans no matter if it runs or not. What do you think? Is
>redoing it right away a good idea, or should I put it in and run it?
>Since I plan a total restauration I would want to have the car in a
>reliable condition.

Unless you are SURE the used tranny is good and a low mile unit
I'd have it redone before puting it in. Tranny's are a lot of work to put in.
I wouldn't want to do it twice.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:41:50 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lighting problem

> When the headlight switch knob loosened up he epoxied it back
> on the shaft. I'm still trying to figure out how to remove the
> knob so that I can remove the entire switch and test it out. I
> may wind up just cutting the stem.

I have forgotten what model of car we're talking about here, but
generally the light switch shaft can be removed from the body of
switch by pressing a release button behind the dash.

You'll need to get access to the body of the switch, which of
course is pretty snugly up against the back side of the dash,
but you can pretty much do this by feel as long as you can get
at least your fingertips back there. Feel along the inboard side
of the switch body and you should find a little metal spring-loaded
plunger button. Pull the switch knob out to the full headlamps-on
position, then press the plunger button and pull the knob and
shaft completely out.

Unfortunately you _have_ to pull the knob out to the On position
first or the release button won't work, but you would have
disconnected the battery first for safety anyway, right?  :-)

Reassembly is simply pressing the knob and shaft back in until
it clicks. HTH...

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:46:31 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Fw: DMR event-455 tuning

I apologize if this message is being resent but my e-mail just came back up
and I am unsure if it went out the first time.  If it is the first time
then-nevermind.


>
>I am getting the '69 442 conv. ready for the DMR event in august at Norwalk
>and being the novice that I am I need some advice on setting this thing up.
>
>First, I have a Holley 750 DP that is running very rich.  Can someone
please
>give a step by step of setting this correctly?
>
>Also,   I just set the timing, after replacing the cam, so it has about 10
>degrees initial(at idle w/o vacuum advance hooked up) and about 35 under
>load(about 4000 rpm w/ vacuum advance hooked up-HEI).  Is this right?
>Again, any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>How do you know if your distributor is curved right?  Do you change it by
>changing the springs in the distributor?  How can you tell if you need
>heavier or lighter springs?
>
>I appreciate all reponses because I know I don't jack and it would probably
>take me years to figure out what the list members can  tell me overnight.
>
>Before the race what should I go through?  Should I replace and gap the
>plugs? .045 right?  I just changed the oil and topped off the trans fluid
>and plan on checking the rear end fluid.  Am I missing anything?
>
>I hope my damn e-mail is working because I will be pissed if I miss any
>responses.(its been snafu since last week and my ISP now has voice mail for
>tech support, you leave a message and they are supposed to call you back, I
>called friday and no call back yet, they are about to lose a customer, so I
>suppose I may not even know if this goes out)
>>
>>patrickd@wwnet.com
>>
>>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:46:55 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: w-30 parts

John Gill wrote:

Are you looking to retire early?
________________

LOL!  While the seller is certainly within his right to try to get the most
for his parts as he possibly can, I have to admit that I also thought the
prices were a bit on the high side.  I had choked on a $1000 W-30 intake at
Carlisle this weekend, and here's one advertised for $1100.  Oh well, I
wish the seller the best (hey, if you don't ask, you _definitely_ won't get
it).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:52:06, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: 70 442 What's it worth?

> There is a 70 442 for sale in the local paper (located in the rust
belt)..
> I would like to know if what I am going to offer for it is a good
offer. I
> am going to offer the owner $3750.00 for it and can go up to $4500.
00 The
> The car will need to have the rear 1/4 panels replaced the trunk
has some
> holes in it, the RF Fender is a goner, the front suspension is
totally
> shot, the trany needs some work, the #'s matching motor runs great
(no
> smoke or any strange noises), needs new exhaust, the A/C does not
work, nor
> does the cruise, the tires are shot, as well as the brake lines and
hoses,
> the fuel lines leak, the interior is nice and clean, no holes in it
at all
> the dash pad is in okay shape ,no cracks, the dual gate/console
need to be
> restored, the drivers seat is starting to come apart, the door
panels are
> clean and not ripped, the power windows still work well, the car
is
> basically in need of a lot of body work, and major detailing, it is
a very
> low #4 car ( 0-6 scale 0=Highest) I figure $1700.00 would make it a
good
> driver (no body work done though)

Hey...

If it were me... judging by your description... I'd offer more in the
1500 to  2000 range... with a high of maybe 2500... of course I'm not
in the rust belt so that may make a difference... also have never
paid more than 500 for a car.  For comparison I paid 300 bucks for my
'65 Pontiac Bonneville.  It has a rust hole in the trunk... had bad
tires... good motor and very good tranny... tolerably decent interior
(after a bit of work)... very good chrome... good fenders... only a
very small fringe of rust at the edge of the 1/4's etc. can be seen
at http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/ now of course... this is
by no means a 442 and would certainly be worth less... but you get
the picture... others on the list feel free to argue with me ;-)

Depends on what the car is worth to YOU I guess after all...


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:03:40 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: w-30 parts

Must be gold plated.  Wayne

robert neumann wrote:
>
> To those of you who were interested in my w-30 parts some time ago, I have
> inventoried and priced the following:
> All parts are from VIN 344870m182223 built in November, 1969.
> 1. f-heads $1200 for the pair.
> 2. Aluminum intake manifold $1100
> 3. Orignal equipment air cleaner with working vacuum operator $600
> 4. Rocket rally pak including bezel $500
> 5. 3.42 rear axle rugged  shape $200
> 6.  Muncie M-21 close-ration four speed-Hurst T-handle shifer-$900
> 7.  Hood with screen-Damaged $250
> 8. Tilt-steering column $400
> 9. Am-Fm Stereo radio $250
> 10. 455 engine block with oil pan and fuel pump.  Make offer
> 11.  clutch fan ?
> 12. front bumper $200 can be polished could be rechromed
> 13. rear bumper one end bent- $150
> 14. various window moldings $40 each
> 15. various interior trim panels
> 16. Brake booster
> 17. clutch pressure plate and belleville spring
> 18. Flywheel
> 19. left and right doors with some damage on one and a big dent in the
> other.
> 20.  Auto door lock linkages and motors
> 21. Power window linkages and motors
> 22. Bucket seats-need new hard trim
> 23. front radiator brace
> 24. 4 ss 1 wheels need paint
> 25. Original radiator
> 26. heater core
> 27. rear window defogger
> 28. Original seatbelts
> 29. Left front fender
> I'll sell the whole garage full of stuff for $7000 or best offer.
> Bob Neumann
> marysville, Mi
> If you are serious, I'll give you my address and phone number.  I don't have
> much money for shipping so I would like to have people within driving
> distance of my house contact me.  I'll only take cash, cashier's check or
> money order or will ship COD cash if necessary.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:57:49 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: why is my Olds shaking?

When my car is idling in drive it shakes really bad. This started happening
today and only
when in gear, if I put it in nutral, it goes away completly. It also goes
away while the car is
moving.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:13:54 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

two words engine mounts

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:14:54 -0400
From: Matthew Clark <hazmatt@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: 442 Conv. Frame

Scott,

I beleive the hardtop frame can be easily modified to meet the specs of a
convertible frame.   I have never done this though.   Recently I had my 68
hardtop frame blasted and powder coated, it was well worth every penny, my
point is if you have the frame out chances are you may have a local
welding shop or in house shop add the necessary plating to "box" the
frame.   The costs for this should be minimal in proportion to the
availability of a 68 convert frame in excellent condition.

Once you find the frame of your choice, you should consider powder
coating.   If you do not have a reasonably priced shop around to do this I
have a lead for a reputable affordable one stop blast and powder coat
shop.

What area of the country are you in?   I have an extra 68 hardtop frame
that may be of use to you.

Matt Clark
hazmatt@tiac.net

Scott Stefanich wrote:

> I was wondering:
>
> Is the '68 4-4-2 hardtop frame too different from the convertible
> frame to be modified for a convertible body?
>
> -I am interested in buying a solid (southern?) conv. frame or chassis.
> If you have one or know where I can purchase one, please contact me.
>
> Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:13:20 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: w-30 parts

 I had choked on a $1000 W-30 intake at
>Carlisle this weekend, and here's one advertised for $1100.  Oh well, I
>wish the seller the best (hey, if you don't ask, you _definitely_ won't get
>it).

This is true. Somebody will pay it (personally i'd get a $280 Edelbrock,
but thats just me)
I used to have a '68 Dodge charger that got hit in the rear end and sat in
my yard for a
few years (insert redneck joke here) One day this guy stoppped and asked if
i'd be willing
to sell the dash and offered  my $400 for it. I guess those vacuum
headlight switches are
rare. He ended up taking the hole car for $750.
Some hardcore factory resto people will pay outragous prices.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:17:27 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plug question

At 09:36 AM 7/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>  My guess is that you probably saw light reflecting off of the plugs.
> Maybe from a nearby street light or even just from the moon.  It
>doesn't take much light to make white objects "glow" in the dark.
>Either that or there is something seriously wrong with your plugs.

Back in the old days we used to run clear lexan distributor caps and solid
wires to amplify
this effect. It does happen and wasn't a reflection. Just don't try to
listen to the radio
 though.
BTW: JC-Wittney still sells those caps

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:17:15 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Glowing spark plugs

Joe Carey wrote:
>
> I was reading a magazine last month and they were talking about how it is
> common for spark plugs to glow.  This of course is only noticed at night or
> in a dark garage.  There is nothing wrong with that it is a natural
> phenomenon.

Voltage leaks.  Common in High Energy ignition systems.  As long as it
looks like a faint "glow" around the boot end and not an ARC, you
shouldn't see any performance problems on the street.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:19:31 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

At 09:13 PM 7/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>two words engine mounts
>
I thought it might be mounts too but they are only 1 month old

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:19:48 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442

Steve Ochs wrote:

> Is there anyone in Ohio who has established the collector's status for
> their 1987 or similar Olds 442.  I just received a letter from the state
> stating that I cannot renew my Collector's Plates on my 442 because it is
> not listed in the National Automobile Dealers Association Classic,
> Collectible, and Special Interest Car Appraisal Guide.

I would also like to know the answer to this one.  I've got a plain jane 78
Cutlass in pro street trim (like 3/4 done). I was counting on getting
collector plates.  It would really be a bummer if I couldn't get plates for it
due to emissions..  Who wants to trailer their car everywhere..

signed,
plateless in ohio

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:26:36 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: hey g-body guys  !!

>does anyone have a set of those
>tubular exh.manifolds talked about awhile ago
>for an '88.


Sure, I'll trade ya even for the cast iron ones.

>they should flow alittle better than the regular cast iron style, right
>??
>erik.


Umm...  actually it's the other way around. Or no difference, depending on
who you talk to.

drc

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:42:49 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Dual-gate adjustment

My Dual-gate in my 72 442 does not want to go into manual 1st gear. It
seems that the cable needs to be shortened or something to allow the trans
to go into manual 1st. I took the console apart and I'm not sure how to
adjust this.

 I switched froma TH-350 to a TH-400, could this also be a reason why? It
needs about 1/4 or 1/2 an inch more to allow it to lock into manual 1.

Anyone who knows, your help would be appreciated.....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:20:07 -0400
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

You May want to take a look at your motor mounts and or trans mounts this
can sometimes be the cause, it is a good place to start.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 9:02 PM
Subject: why is my Olds shaking?


>
>When my car is idling in drive it shakes really bad. This started happening
>today and only
>when in gear, if I put it in nutral, it goes away completly. It also goes
>away while the car is
>moving.
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:48:54 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: I'm really desperate...

Okay, I admit it.  I'm really desperate here.

I asked the other day and I'm asking again.

=======>>

Anybody know the height of a stock 455 intake manifold?

I'm going to be building a 425 in a 455 block, using an Edelbrock manifold
and I'm trying to see how much clearance I'll end up with.

TIA,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:53:13 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442

Thats odd. I still see quite a few late 80's Mustang GT's at the track with
collector plates. A few I know for a fact just renewed them.  There are listed
as collectors cars already? I hope not :-) I know quite a few GN's have them
also. Haven't tried to get them on my 80 442, but I like my OLDSPWR plates 
more.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>
>
>Steve Ochs wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone in Ohio who has established the collector's status for
>> their 1987 or similar Olds 442.  I just received a letter from the state
>> stating that I cannot renew my Collector's Plates on my 442 because it is
>> not listed in the National Automobile Dealers Association Classic,
>> Collectible, and Special Interest Car Appraisal Guide.
>
>

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Thats odd. I still see quite a few late 80's Mustang GT's at the track with
collector plates. A few I know for a fact just renewed them.  There are listed
as collectors cars already? I hope not :-) I know quite a few GN's have them
also. Haven't tried to get them on my 80 442, but I like my OLDSPWR plates 
more.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>
>
>Steve Ochs wrote:
>
>> Is there anyone in Ohio who has established the collector's status for
>> their 1987 or similar Olds 442.  I just received a letter from the state
>> stating that I cannot renew my Collector's Plates on my 442 because it is
>> not listed in the National Automobile Dealers Association Classic,
>> Collectible, and Special Interest Car Appraisal Guide.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:52:26 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Ontario

Hi Robert.

I live in Toronto, but am moving 70 miles north-east of here in September.
Near Lindsay.  The new place has a fairly large steel-sided barn: lots of
room for the cars.  Have been collecting Oldsmobiles for about 10 years, but
have been hampered by lack of work-space in the city.

What's the interest in Ontario-area members?  There's quite a few of us, as
far as I can tell ...

Thanks ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
69 Delta 88 parts car
66 Toronado (2)
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:55:36 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 79 442 Fastback?????

I have one of those from when I was a kid?  It's in great shape.  Is it worth
anything?

Keith

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:57:15 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

> I thought it might be mounts too but they are only 1 month old

They ~might~ be loose or wrong mounts or something...  But if it's happening at
~idle~ I don't know if there'd be enough torque to move things around enough to
cause a shake.  There is also a possibility that there's just enough of a
misfire to cause a shake under slight load like that, but go away in Nuetral.
Just a thought.  Possible to be something out of whack in the torque convertor,
also.  Possible.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:02:33 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: BB Intake size, was: I'm really desperate...

> Anybody know the height of a stock 455 intake manifold?

Depends on application...  Most of 'em were lower than the valve cover tops, 
but
the Toro's were lower than the intake runners.  Really low profile.  I don't
have any specs for them, though.

> I'm going to be building a 425 in a 455 block, using an Edelbrock manifold
> and I'm trying to see how much clearance I'll end up with.

The clearance should be the same between the 425/455's.  The Edelbrock intake
will sit up higher than stock, though.  If I come up with a tape measure, and
get a chance, I'll run measure my Performer.  My G-body hood closes with some
braces removed, and a stock-style air cleaner.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:09:20 -0700
From: Terry Warford <twarford@centaur-corp.com>
Subject: '65 Cutlass Question

Hi,

	I've recently bought a '65 Cutlass Conv. that is a great driver, I 
need to
upgrade it with Air Conditioning for the hot days in California.  In doing
some research, it seems that I need to start with a new radiator (from a 3
core to a 4 core!), where else should I look for these parts...junk yard,
internet, are their some companies that specialize in this.

	Also,  I need new white wall tires....any suggestions.

Terry Warford
San Jose, CA
408-944-1313

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:30 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: I'm really desperate...

Jonathan Parke wrote:

> Anybody know the height of a stock 455 intake manifold?
>
> I'm going to be building a 425 in a 455 block, using an Edelbrock manifold
> and I'm trying to see how much clearance I'll end up with.
>
> Jonathan Parke
> mailto:jonparke@together.net
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

The height on a stock 455 intake is 2 3/4", a Toro intake on a 455 is 2 1/8".
The Edelbrock  Performer intake height is 4 1/2".  Good luck on the
clearance.  I have a Performer on my 455 in my '68 442 and it fits with no
problems, using a Moroso air cleaner though.

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:11:58 -0700
From: Terry Warford <twarford@centaur-corp.com>
Subject: '65 Cutlass Question

Hi,

	I've recently bought a '65 Cutlass Conv. that is a great driver, I 
need to
upgrade it with Air Conditioning for the hot days in California.  In doing
some research, it seems that I need to start with a new radiator (from a 3
core to a 4 core!), where else should I look for these parts...junk yard,
internet, are their some companies that specialize in this.

	Also,  I need new white wall tires....any suggestions.

Terry Warford
San Jose, CA
408-944-1313

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:24:54 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Trans cooler

I recently installed a TH-400 in my 72 442 and instead of running the
cooler lines into the radiator, I ran them directly into the outside trans
cooler. It is a PermaCool trans cooler that is 3/4"wide and has about 4
rows. It is mounted right in front of the radiator, so it gets good
air-flow.

 Is this a good set-up or is it better to have run the lines into the
radiator??
Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:00:19 -0400
From: Stephen Palomba <spalomba@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: 455 -Brakes Wont Hold

The Viking wrote:
>
> In doing some testing on a local road I discovered that the brakes (new)
> wont hold the vehicle at a stop beyond about 1700 rpm...starts slowly
> rolling forward.. not a good thing at the track.. suggestions welcome.
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>   Gem City Rockets
>
Hi,

	You say the brakes are new on your car. The brake shoes may need to
brake in (no pun intended) before they work well.
	If that doesn't do it you may consider replacing the rear brake drums
and backing plates with the 13" variety. I read in one of the Oldsmobile
muscle car books that the 1972 Hurst Olds Indy 500 PACE car was fitted
with the 13" drums because the standard drums were insufficient against
the 455.
	The 13" brake set up was available I believe as an option in 1973 -
1977. I got a set for my car from Muscle Car Headquarters in Farmingdale
NY. (516) 753-0720 Ask for Ray.

The facts may not be completely correct but you can follow up with a
little research of your own

For What it's worth
Stephen P.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 22:33:27 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: I'm really desperate...

At 09:48 PM 7/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, I admit it.  I'm really desperate here.
>
>I asked the other day and I'm asking again.
>
>=======>>
>
>Anybody know the height of a stock 455 intake manifold?
>
>I'm going to be building a 425 in a 455 block, using an Edelbrock manifold
>and I'm trying to see how much clearance I'll end up with.
>


   Taking that measurement from my 455 w/stock manifold in the car isn't the
easiest, but a double check comes up with a  2 3/4 in. height from bottom of
manifold to the bottom of the carb base gasket.  Hope that helps.


   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:39:15 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

What kind of engine??

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:53:00 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: G-body heater hose questions

I have always wondered why the heater hoses, especially the one that comes from
the firewall then goes all the way over to the right fender then comes all the
way back to the block is so long? Can I shorten this hose? Every other car like
mine I have looked at had the hose this long too.  I wouldn't mind shortening 
it
to clean up my underhood area more.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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I have always wondered why the heater hoses, especially the one that comes from
the firewall then goes all the way over to the right fender then comes all the
way back to the block is so long? Can I shorten this hose? Every other car like
mine I have looked at had the hose this long too.  I wouldn't mind shortening 
it
to clean up my underhood area more.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:57:16 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body heater hose questions

> I have always wondered why the heater hoses, especially the one that comes
from the firewall then goes all the way over > to the right fender then comes
all the way back to the block is so long? Can I shorten this hose?

I've shortenned mine with no problem.  I've also wonderred why they did this.
I'm sure there was some engineering reason, like vibration, or heater
efficiency, or chafing on other parts, or something, but all that stuff makes
little difference in the Rockit anyway.

So what's the latest on the GN???


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:58:01 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Ohio Collectors plates for 1987 442

Steve:

I live in Cincinnati.

According to O.R.C. 4503.181>>>>>>>>>>>>

"To qualify, motor vehicles must be at least 25 years old. They are
solely collector's items and are used for participation in club
activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, etc. but NOT for general
transportion."

"Historical license plates are valid without renewal for the life of the
vehicle, except when there is a change in ownership. In that case, the
plates must be surrendered to the Registrar of the Ohio Bureau of Motor
Vehicles."

The current fee is $15.75.

Ohio Bureau Of Motor Vehicles
Attn: Registration Division
P.O. Box 16521
Columbus, Ohio 43266-0021

Phone # (614)752-7800

I think you have a few years to go.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:00:54 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: w-30 parts

In a message dated 98-07-27 20:18:32 EDT, you write:

<< 8. Tilt-steering column $400 >>
Dude

Think you've been reading too many magazines.

Your too high on most of this stuff in my opinion. Were all intitled to our
own and respect you for yours, just won't spend that much for those parts.

Thanks anyways.

Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:04:04 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: CLOSED

Supercars Unlimited will be closed this Friday (July 31st).  For our
annual pilgrimage to Seattle International Raceway for the Northwest
Nationals.  I can almost smell the nitro already......
Back Monday to normal store hours of 9:00 am to 4:00 pm (Pacific time).
This is the last of the vacation days for 1998.  Sorry for any
inconvenience.

Have you checked out our web site yet?

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
Portland, Oregon 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:19:21 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 455 -Brakes Wont Hold

In a message dated 98-07-27 22:31:50 EDT, you write:

<< 	You say the brakes are new on your car. The brake shoes may need to
 brake in (no pun intended) before they work well.
 	If that doesn't do it you may consider replacing the rear brake drums
 and backing plates with the 13" variety. I read in one of the Oldsmobile
 muscle car books that the 1972 Hurst Olds Indy 500 PACE car was fitted
 with the 13" drums because the standard drums were insufficient against
 the 455.
 	The 13" brake set up was available I believe as an option in 1973 -
 1977. I got a set for my car from Muscle Car Headquarters in Farmingdale
 NY. (516) 753-0720 Ask for Ray.

 The facts may not be completely correct but you can follow up with a
 little research of your own >>
what was the cost of this 13'' upgrade? and what did it include? Are the drums
available repro or new? What size wheel cylinders are you using?

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: 442 transmission ID

     If you're asking about a THM400 the id should be OD.  The '73
service manual dosen't list a 442 just a Cutlass with a 455. The
manual trans listings are TM for the M-15 3-speed and WD for the M-20
4-speed.  The code on the manual trans is located on the right hand
side of the case.  They should be 1' high letters.  Hope this helps.

                                                  Larry



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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:19:47 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: why is my Olds shaking?

At 10:39 PM 7/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>What kind of engine??
>
'78 403

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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:02:08 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Glowing spark plugs

> Voltage leaks.  Common in High Energy ignition systems.  As long as it
> looks like a faint "glow" around the boot end and not an ARC, you
> shouldn't see any performance problems on the street.
>
> Mike Rothe

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This is called the "Corona Effect" (not to be confused with the consumption of
too many Corona beers).  Under certain atmospheric conditions (i.e.: high
humidity and low barometric pressures) the plug wires will appear to "glow".
What is happening is the air around the plug wires is being ionized.  This is
actually the same way neon signs work.  The gas in the tube ionizes and lights
up in the presence of high voltage. And if I remember correctly, this is also
what causes the "Northern Lights" (aurora borealis) phenomenon. The Corona
Effect is basically a breakdown of the air around the plug wires. Not the wires
themselves.  It makes no difference of how thick the insulators are, who makes
the wires, etc.

The other Corona Effect is in a continual state of research.  More studies are
required.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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