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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 17 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1315



Wheel's / SSIII info etc.
Re: Getting 79 98 monday
Re: 79 98 Questions
THM125?
Re: Olds in movie
Re: 455 Questions
1977 Salon
Re: Starter Dropping??
'71 conv. vinyl armrest/quarter
widened 15's, how much tire?
Re: widened 15's, how much tire?
Re: Junk It...
RE: Water Pump
typo on 442.com
RE: Junk It...
RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
David Senn's car
Dist number
OCA Springfield meet, rooms
Re: Literature from Faxon's
'87 442 stripes
Re:Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
'69 Buick 455
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
RE: 5 or 6 speed swap
RE: '69 Buick 455
RE: '69 Buick 455
TRW (sealed power) springs
Re: Dist number
Re: 780 vacuum sec 4 sale& other acc.
Re: '69 Buick 455
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
455's Horsepower
RE: TRW (sealed power) springs
Re: 10 bucks for help
Re: So. Wisc. yards (long)
OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20
69 W-scoops
Shock absorbers
RE: Shock absorbers
Re: Shock absorbers
68 bumble bee strip dimensions
UNBOUNCE: Weekend Olds Finds
UNBOUNCE: Head for 371 Olds
UNBOUNCE: '77 Salon FS
dumb question
Re: dumb question
Looking to buy 442 conv
1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold
Re: 1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold
Re: Continuing saga
Re: dumb question
Re: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:58:00 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Wheel's / SSIII info etc.

We've all gone through the discussions of the SSII vs SSIII's, in essence, the
II's are grey, and the III's are body color.  However, there have been several
variations of the SSIII's to date, mostly changing the trim pieces, I guess.
Some had different center caps, some were all chrome wheels, and somewhere in
there years they changed the five trim inserts.  I have pictures of them here,
with the newer on the top.  The SSII's and the first SSIII"s had the bottom
inserts.
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/ss3trims.jpg

In addition, they had the (N59????? can't remember) different body colored
aluminum wheels, late 70's, early 80's.  80 W-30's had these.  I'm thinking of
putting ~all~ this stuff on a page, but don't have many pictures.  Anyone with
info and pics want to email to me (if pictures, e-mail ~DIRECTLY~ to me, not
list)

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:13:18 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Getting 79 98 monday

I have a 77 98 and mine did the same thing only it was broken off
after it got stuck up. If you look in between the a/c and the passenger
fender in the engine bay there is a 3-pin connector red,white,and black
wires, just unplug that or you can look under the glove box for the
relay and unplug that. Hope this helps!!
Jake
1977 Olds 98
1982 Olds Firenza

>
> The power antenna motor is stuck on.  Please tell me how I can disable
> it.(fuses, plugs, wires etc.)
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:13:24 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 79 98 Questions

Try twisting the siphon around in circles as you push it down past
that stop, It worked for me when I filled up the tank for the first time
and realized that holes in the gas tank are not good.

> I tried to put a hose down the neck of the gas tank to siphon out the stale
> gas.
> It only went down the neck, but it wouldn't go any further, and when I pulled
> the hose back out it was dry.  I need to siphon the gas out somehow, and the
> tank is half full.

    My wipers did something like this but it was on account of my
stupidity. I took apart the wiper pump because they didn't work and put
it back together wrong, well it worked fine on high but in low it just
stopped wherever it was and in off it was in low, well i found out that
i could stop the wiper just before it went all the way down and wait a
few minutes then switch it to off and it went down. after dealing with
this all winter i got angry took the wiper pump apart put it back
together and it works now. can't tell you what i did but i know it was
something in the pump. I think it is a rusty diode or something? for now
just switch the wipers to off if they continue to go push them down into
the recese below the hood that should work?

> If any of you can help me out here, please let me know.
> The 8-track player goes a little too fast, and I want to try to fix it.
> The windshield wipers only work on high speed.  If you turn them on high and
> switch them to low, the wipers just stop in the middle of the windshield.
> Please respond if you can help me out with any of these problems.

Again I hope this works out, any other questions about this car that are
not to technical I would be pleased to help you.
Jake Biehl
1977 Olds 98 Regency "Gray Beast"
1982 Olds Firenza a.k.a. "The Tiny Car"

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:21:53 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: THM125?

I have a 1982 olds firenza 1.8l/112ci carbureted, THM125, anyone
have any info on this car, engine, or tranny? I think I have the
spectrum covered here. '77 98 Regency 403ci/6.6l, THM400 and the one
above. Big and Little. Anyone else have this "Tiny" car I would love to
hear from you. And if you can find anything on engine specs like HP,
torque, etc it would be funny to hear from you also(50hp@3500rpms, 3fp
torque@3000rpms?, hehe).
Jake
1977 Olds 98 Regency
1982 Olds Firenza

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:43:07 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in movie

> How about the 71 convertible Cutlass in "I Know What You Did Last
Summer".
> It was in the parade pulling the main float.
> Brett

Probable couse they could not find any Chevy or Ford truck that would do
the job, so they called onto an olds.  Just joking, no offense intended to
our CHEVY or FORD lover members here.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:39:48 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Questions

There should be an aditional wire that is hooked up to the starter to the
SAME place as the positive cable.  This wire is the alternator wire (the
conection on the back of the alternator)  This way, the alternator has a
direct constant conection with the battery in which it can charge it (or
discharge it if it is busted).  Also, the battery positive is conected
directly to the starter with the big cable which provides the power needed
to cranck a cold engine.

The other wire that should be on the starter is the ignition wire which
will hook-up to the small terminal maked "S" or something on the starter
solenoid (ussually above the big conection for alt/bat.)  There may be two.
 One is for ignition and the other I am not sure for what (but none of my
cars use it.  I think its relay or remote.  On my starters, this mark is
"R")  The ignition wire comes from your key when you turn it to start the
engine.  THre may be onother small wire but I don't think so.

- ----------
> From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: 455 Questions
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:37 PM
>
> 	I am ready to drop the engine back into my Rallye and I have a few
questions.
> I know the positive battery cable connects to the starter, but there was
> another wire hooked yup to the starter. I didn't see where the wire went
and
> what wire it was when the engine was pulled from the car. Could someone
tell
> me what other wires hook up to the starter, and what the look like?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim McKeague

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:52:00 +0100
From: Patrick Rotondo <wattgraphics@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 1977 Salon

HELP!

I have a beautiful 77 Cutlass Salon for sale and would like to sell it
to an true Oldsmobile fan not just anyone. Can you help?

ALL ORINGINAL 1977 Cutlass Salon, Beautiful Silver with Black Interior.

83,000 ORIGINAL MILES

Buckets w/console.


Tilt Wheel

Ralley Gauge Package.

Super Stock II Rims

Oldsmobile ROCKET 350cid / 4bbl. Orig Stock Motor

3 speed auto with B&M shift kit (just rebuilt 9.97) Orig Trans

Dual exhust with stock 442 trumpet tips.

Air Cond, Power Windows

Stock Radio

Power Front Disc brakes

Handling Poly Kit with upgraded Sway Bars

Less then 10,000 on new BF Goodrich white lettered tires

No rust very Clean in and out SOLID.

Drive anywhere or Show it. Well maintained Olds. Have all receipts.
*A few Extras. New casst stereo, more poly kit parts, Spare mounted
on 5th Super Stock II Rim. Will Negotiate. You will not
find a cleaner, STRONGER '77 for this price.
$4,500

This is a great Olds
My Cutlass needs a good home.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:38:17 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Starter Dropping??

If you don't have headers...no problem, it's easy.  Jack the car up
put on stands and bring a stool or something to rest the starter on
once the bolts are out.  That thing is heavy and the wires aren't long
enough to set it down on the ground.  Then again, without headers you
might be able to unhook it before unbolting it.  My 350 had no shims.

I've gotten good at taking mine out since it has to go every time the
header needs to come out.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 10:32 PM
Subject: Starter Dropping??


>I need to drop the starter out of my W31 to put on a new battery
cable. How
>difficult of a job is this? Do you think that any shims will fall
out? I have
>never done this before so I don't know what to expect.
>Thanks,
>Jim

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:49:32 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: '71 conv. vinyl armrest/quarter

Sorry for the confusing heading.

My '71 cutlass convertible has torn up vinyl on the back corner where
the top boot covers it and Year One has a replacement for that and the
armrest in the back.  It's $54 so I'm assuming it's just the material
and has to be spray adhesive'd on and such.  Anyone have any
experience in how hard this is?

- -greg

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:52:55 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: widened 15's, how much tire?

I'm thinking of getting Stockton to widen my rally rims for my '71
cutlass.  If I remember correctly, they cut the center out of the
stock 14" rims and make them into 15".

How much tire will fit in my car, I don't want 'fat and skinny', but a
good solid look for handling.  I was thinking 255's in the front and
275's in the back.  I don't know what aspect ratios either.

Stock backspacing is 4.5 correct?  Do I need to keep this with wider
tires?

thanks,
greg

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:13:40 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: widened 15's, how much tire?

hmm
How do i get in touch with Stockton?  I would like my 15x7's to be 15x10's.
TIA
Brett
bwilson@dmotorworks.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 7:45 AM
Subject: widened 15's, how much tire?


>I'm thinking of getting Stockton to widen my rally rims for my '71
>cutlass.  If I remember correctly, they cut the center out of the
>stock 14" rims and make them into 15".
>
>How much tire will fit in my car, I don't want 'fat and skinny', but a
>good solid look for handling.  I was thinking 255's in the front and
>275's in the back.  I don't know what aspect ratios either.
>
>Stock backspacing is 4.5 correct?  Do I need to keep this with wider
>tires?
>
>thanks,
>greg
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:22:24 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Junk It...

> I am on vacation this week and my son and I will probably hit a
junkyard or
> two. Is there anyone out there from the Chicago area that might know
if any
> yards around have any 68-72 Cutlasses? Where are they?

The only one I can think of that might have some would be Hy-Way Auto
Parts
up on Route 41 near Wadsworth, way north of the city. They're not
particularly
cheap and the last time I went there (a long time ago) they were not
allowing
browsing anymore without an escort, but they have enough land that I
don't
think they're pressed to keep the stock rotating, so older and more
unusual
cars may get to sit a while longer than someplace like, say, Victory
Auto
Wreckers in Bensenville, where except for a few very old ones at the
back
(e.g. a '57 Ford, '69 Tempest), their stock is all newer cars that go to
the
crusher within a week or two of pickup.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:25:33 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Water Pump

Where is the distance measured from?

How can I tell which one is on my 77 350, which the pump and bracketry
came from my 85 307.  All lines up well.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard [mailto:bob149@efortress.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 4:14 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Water Pump


At 10:04 PM 6/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Seems to me Olds only used two lengths of water pumps.  However, they had
>infinite ~other~ changes throught the years.

they have 3 lengths

5", seems to be non/ac 330's  (might be early 350's too )
5 1/2"
6", I've only seen the the 6" pump on AC cars
__
The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
                                                                :Lazarus
Long

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:24:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: typo on 442.com

  I just wanted to let Bryceman from 442.com know that I just noticed
that one of the phone numbers in the restoration section is wrong.
Connecticut    recently split half of their 203
area code into 860, so this entry needs to be updated.

      Auto Body Specialties
      Middlefield, CT
      203-346-4989
      ^^^
      860

I tried emailing him direct, but his server doesn't accept mail from
yahoo.com.  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth.

Stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:33:56 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Junk It...

there is a junk yard somewhere out south. I took I 57 west until I got to 83
south I believe.  There were a few junk yard out there.  It was pretty far
south too.


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	Green, Andrew[SMTP:acg@datalogics.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 17, 1998 9:22 AM
> To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: 	Re: Junk It...
>
> > I am on vacation this week and my son and I will probably hit a
> junkyard or
> > two. Is there anyone out there from the Chicago area that might know
> if any
> > yards around have any 68-72 Cutlasses? Where are they?
>
> The only one I can think of that might have some would be Hy-Way Auto
> Parts
> up on Route 41 near Wadsworth, way north of the city. They're not
> particularly
> cheap and the last time I went there (a long time ago) they were not
> allowing
> browsing anymore without an escort, but they have enough land that I
> don't
> think they're pressed to keep the stock rotating, so older and more
> unusual
> cars may get to sit a while longer than someplace like, say, Victory
> Auto
> Wreckers in Bensenville, where except for a few very old ones at the
> back
> (e.g. a '57 Ford, '69 Tempest), their stock is all newer cars that go to
> the
> crusher within a week or two of pickup.
> --
> Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
> 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:32:42 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

I bought a set of tires from Pep Boys, The Touring SE, made by Cooper,
they have the Pep Boys house brand name of Futura.  They do well in the
rain, good in snow, pretty decent on the dry.  They have a semi soft
sidewall, but good deep rain grooves.  Worth looking into.  They were
$199 for all 4.  Any Size.  I have 215 70 15's for my Bonneville.  They
had other good sizes.  But no 60 series.  65 series is the lowest aspect
ratio they have on that type.  Serrated edge blackwall or white wall is
all on those.

I have Michelin XZ4 on my 85 Cutlass, great in rain and snow, dry, well,
don't push it, they sorta suck there.  Get to traction limit VERY fast.

Just something else to check on!

(Someone please let me know if my posts are making it, I changed to get
the individual posts, and they do not come back to me, just checking to
see if it is working!)


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Angel Castrodad [mailto:angleki@prtc.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:29 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme


My first choice for new tire are BF's radial T/A's. But you brought up a
concern I have. Living on a tropical island, it rains very often and my
car
is a daily driver. Since I've heard a couple of times that the T/A's
aren't
that good on wet pavement, does anyone have other alternatives they'd
like
to share. Please don't tell me to buy $150 tires because cost is
important.

TIA
Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jason Adcock
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:32 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
> Non-F41 cars got the 195/75R14 tires, F41-suspensioned cars got 205/70R14,
> H/O's got 215/65R15.
>
> I have 225/60R14's on right now and there is no rubbing
> whatsoever.  If you
> are going for new tires, I highly recommend the BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.
> They are very high-quality-looking and offer great traction on the road
> (dry).  Wet running is a different story, but if you aren't
> racing some AWD
> Eclipse around corners, you'll be in fine shape...  :-)
>
> Also, 225/60R14's are very close to the 205/70R14's diameter, so
> speedometer
> correction wouldn't be necessary.
>
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn McCollum <shawno22@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:21 AM
> Subject: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
> >Question for everyone...
> >
> >I am about to have front springs/shocks installed on a 1984
> Cutlass and new
> >tires...Anyone know what the factory size tires were on this
> car??  75 R14,
> >p195 or P205???  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Shawn
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:35:15 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

I had the GTA's on my 91 Bonneville, they were great in the rain and
dry, but on snow, they are the worst thing next to a drag slick!!  They
are not MUD and SNOW (M+S) rated!!  Be aware of that if you choose them.
 If you drive in the south (Where I got the car with those tires on) you
are fine, but up north be prepared to dig yourself out a lot!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin [mailto:supercars@transport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 12:20 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme


Angel,
Living in the Pacific Northwest, I can relate with your need for tires
that
perform in the rain.  You are correct in that T/A's are not a very good
choice
for wet pavement.  In fact, even their Comp T/A HR4-2 series which are
supposed
to be an all season performance tire, fail miserably when compared to
the
Firestone Firehawk series.  I've used both the SS10 and GTA series and
found
either to be very resistant to hydroplaning. I've also found the
Firestones
provide better dry pavement traction over the basic T/A's.  You will
find the
Firestones are in the same price range as the basic T/A's.  And in my
opinion, a
MUCH better tire.

Just my recommendation for keeping the shiny side up.
Greg.


Angel Castrodad wrote:

> My first choice for new tire are BF's radial T/A's. But you brought up a
> concern I have. Living on a tropical island, it rains very often and my car
> is a daily driver. Since I've heard a couple of times that the T/A's aren't
> that good on wet pavement, does anyone have other alternatives they'd like
> to share. Please don't tell me to buy $150 tires because cost is important.
>
> TIA
> Angel Castrodad
> angleki@prtc.net
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jason Adcock
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:32 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
> >
> >
> > Non-F41 cars got the 195/75R14 tires, F41-suspensioned cars got 205/70R14,
> > H/O's got 215/65R15.
> >
> > I have 225/60R14's on right now and there is no rubbing
> > whatsoever.  If you
> > are going for new tires, I highly recommend the BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.
> > They are very high-quality-looking and offer great traction on the road
> > (dry).  Wet running is a different story, but if you aren't
> > racing some AWD
> > Eclipse around corners, you'll be in fine shape...  :-)
> >
> > Also, 225/60R14's are very close to the 205/70R14's diameter, so
> > speedometer
> > correction wouldn't be necessary.
> >
> > Jason Adcock
> > jadcock@vt.edu
> > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn McCollum <shawno22@erols.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:21 AM
> > Subject: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
> >
> >
> > >Question for everyone...
> > >
> > >I am about to have front springs/shocks installed on a 1984
> > Cutlass and new
> > >tires...Anyone know what the factory size tires were on this
> > car??  75 R14,
> > >p195 or P205???  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Shawn
> >

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:55:24 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: David Senn's car

Hi all,

Is anyone thinking of buying/getting David Senn's car or parts?  Please
let me know since
I may be interested in some of the parts.  I want to get Scarlet done as
quickly as possible
and get rid of Saffron.  I have too many unfinished projects!

BTW David Senn did e-mail me and informed me that the car is free to
whoever wants to
cart it off.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:24:56 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dist number

Hey gang,

Fellow list member Ray Moriarty and I were pulling the engine out of a
parts car last night and the distributor number is one that I'm not
familiar with. It's distributor number 1111976. Not in any of the books
I've looked at. Anyone...

TIA

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:46:23 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: OCA Springfield meet, rooms

The Springfield Red Roof Inn has many room available July 14-18. I cancelled my
reservation when calling about transferring my reservation. Good Luck.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:18:40 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Literature from Faxon's

Faxon's is an information retailer, they don't publish manuals
check 1800 555-1212 for their number something like
faxons auto literature

At 06:11 PM 6/16/98 -0700, Stefan Gadecki wrote:
>
>     I was just wondering if you could tell me where you got the
>Faxon's manuals from.
>  I've been looking for manuals for my car for a while now.  All I
>have is a Chilton's manual for 1970-1987 cutlass.  It barely has any
>helpful information specific to my car.  It is VERY generalized and
>most of the info. is for the 80's models. I'm looking for something
>specific to my year.  The Chilton's manual doesn't even have a VIN
>number listing for 1970.
>
>    TIA
>    Stefan
>    sgadecki@yahoo.com
>    1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:53:17 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '87 442 stripes

Message text written by Mark
>have the Black/Silver paint scheme with gold pinstripes.
If anyone has, or knows of a source for these stripes,
please contact me.
<

For the bumper covers, you can use 3M gold pinstriping . Unlike the sides
which are thin film tape black/gold, the bumper covers are just standard
vinyl pinstriping (two sizes).  I did that on mine after someone bumped the
right rear corner and scraped the stirping off.  Matches the left side very
close - wouldn't know it if I replaced both sides.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
'96 DCM - NAISSO Member #1365 - '87 442

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:01:29 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: Re:Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

You will find theFirestones are in the same price range as the basic T/A's.  
And
in my opinion, a >MUCH better tire.

I gues it is a mather of opinions. I used the Firehawk and my feeling was that
they were to soft in the sides so that the car "wigled" on the sides when
cornering hard.I now use comp T/A 215/50-15 front, and 235/50-15 rear (same 
dim.
as before). and like them (a bit more road noise ;-).)

Trond-J.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:55:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: '69 Buick 455

This probably isn't the place to ask, but does anyone know the HP and
torque specs for a '69 Buick 455?  Also, does anyone know how it's motor
mouns are setup relative to an olds or chevy?  I can get my hands on a
freshly rebuilt one cheap.

TIA,
Ed

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:53:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

Do you know about how much HP and torque the stock T-5 can handle?

Thanks,
Ed

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Jason P. Labay wrote:

> The T-56 is a very stout tranny to go with. Many guys on the F-body mailing
list (Z/28 and > Trans Am) have these tranny's in their 93+ cars and some are
pushing well over 550hp into > them with countless 1/4 runs.  They also put the
T-56 in the Viper too.  The world class > T-5 would be the way to go if opting
for the 5 speed.  The regular T-5 is rather weak when > lots of HP is pushed
into them. > > Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH > 98 Silverado
C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10 > 80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73 > 75
Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56 > 72 Cutlass Supreme.....soon to be 455, A4,
3.73 > > > > >I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about
swapping the > >TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with
a 5-speed with > >5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning
towards replacing the > >3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford
to also go up from the > >anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some 
decent
highway mileage. > > > > >

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:16:46 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 5 or 6 speed swap

Not as much torque as a 455 can deliver!!  Not with slicks that is!

Tom



- -----Original Message-----
From: Edwin R Burger [mailto:erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:54 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap


Do you know about how much HP and torque the stock T-5 can handle?

Thanks,
Ed

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Jason P. Labay wrote:

> The T-56 is a very stout tranny to go with. Many guys on the F-body mailing
list (Z/28 and
> Trans Am) have these tranny's in their 93+ cars and some are pushing well
over 550hp into
> them with countless 1/4 runs.  They also put the T-56 in the Viper too.  The
world class
> T-5 would be the way to go if opting for the 5 speed.  The regular T-5 is
rather weak when
> lots of HP is pushed into them.
>
> Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
> 98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
> 80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
> 72 Cutlass Supreme.....soon to be 455, A4, 3.73
>
> >
> >I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about swapping the
> >TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with a 5-speed
with
> >5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning towards replacing
the
> >3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford to also go up from
the
> >anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some decent highway mileage.
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:38:19 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: '69 Buick 455

The horsepower and touque should be about the same

You could go to an auto store and look though one of there auto books to be
sure.


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	Edwin R Burger[SMTP:erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:55 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	'69 Buick 455
>
> This probably isn't the place to ask, but does anyone know the HP and
> torque specs for a '69 Buick 455?  Also, does anyone know how it's motor
> mouns are setup relative to an olds or chevy?  I can get my hands on a
> freshly rebuilt one cheap.
>
> TIA,
> Ed
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:39:23 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: '69 Buick 455

The horsepower and touque should be about the same as the olds of that year.

You could go to an auto store and look though one of there auto books to be
sure.




===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

> ----------
> From: 	Edwin R Burger[SMTP:erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:55 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	'69 Buick 455
>
> This probably isn't the place to ask, but does anyone know the HP and
> torque specs for a '69 Buick 455?  Also, does anyone know how it's motor
> mouns are setup relative to an olds or chevy?  I can get my hands on a
> freshly rebuilt one cheap.
>
> TIA,
> Ed
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:03:38 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: TRW (sealed power) springs

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Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:28:59 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Dist number

> Fellow list member Ray Moriarty and I were pulling the engine out of a
> parts car last night and the distributor number is one that I'm not
> familiar with. It's distributor number 1111976. Not in any of the books
> I've looked at. Anyone...

GM parts manual, dated 6/73 lists 1111976 as a replacement for.....

1970- 350 2/4bbl.,
3600, 4200, 4800 455 c.i., and
3200, 3800 4 bbl OAI.

1971- 3200, 3600,4200 350 4 bbl. with TH350

Cost back then was $42.85 list.  For the complete thing.


Hope this helps.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:36:43 EDT
From: <WheelTrdr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 780 vacuum sec 4 sale& other acc.

In a message dated 6/16/98 9:51:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com writes:

<< << I'm  interested , what  city / state  are you  in ? >>
 NY Long Island. The carb and jets were just sold sending them UPS.
  >>
We  tried  ....Thanks  for  responding .    Al >Alias - Wheel Trdr

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:33:08 -0400
From: "Torque Tech" <torque@surfsouth.com>
Subject: Re: '69 Buick 455

Hi Edwin!

In '69 Buick did not offer the 455.  They were still using the 400 in the
GS's and 430's in the bigger cars.  The 455 came out in '70.  I can give you
some block and head casting numbers to help you determine what you have.
Please e-mail or (912) 242-0691 our Tech Line.  We sell Buick Performance
Products also.  Cams, headers and the works.

Keith @ Torque Tech / Performance Exhaust Products
torque@surfsouth.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: '69 Buick 455


>This probably isn't the place to ask, but does anyone know the HP and
>torque specs for a '69 Buick 455?  Also, does anyone know how it's motor
>mouns are setup relative to an olds or chevy?  I can get my hands on a
>freshly rebuilt one cheap.
>
>TIA,
>Ed
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:29:21 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

Stephen Hoover wrote:

Tremec makes a stout 5-speed that is advertised to be a direct bolt-in.
     But it's only good for 400 ft-lb of torque.  Pretty much any 455 Olds
     will chew that up.  It also looks like some pretty steep drops between
     the gears.  Plus, isn't that a rail shifter?  Don't know about their
     "universal adjustable shifter that fits factory console hole" (sounds
     like it's universal so long as you have a Camaro!).  Why not consider
     the Richmond (formerly Nash) five speed.  $1800 from Summit brand new
     and it really is a bolt-in.  Best part is you get basically Muncie
     gear ratios in second through fifth (fifth is one-to-one) with a 3.27
     (or numerically higher optionally) first gear.  If I'm not mistaken,
     this box will handle well over 600 ft-lb.  Put that in front of a 3.08
     rear end and it's like having 4.56s in first gear! (compared to a 2.20
     first gear Muncie)

     If that's not enough, there's always the Richmond six speed, which
     basically is the five speed gear ratios plus an overdrive sixth.
     Again, bolts up to a normal Muncie bellhousing and clutch, but price
     jumps to $2800.  The problem with the T56 is that it requires the
     special bellhousing and a hydraulic clutch.  Refer to this month's
     Muscle Car Review for their GR Restoration Parts (our motto: cost is
     no object) buildup of a 67 Z/28 with T56 and LT4 motor.  Didn't sound
     like an easy swap, and the tranny is designed to go behind that motor.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:55:01 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: 455's Horsepower

Quick Question

I have an oldsmobile 455 that is bored 30 over. It's got 10 1/4 1
pistons in it. It's got a cam that is 224 intake 234 exhaust at .050 Lift
is .496 intake .520 exhaust.  Heads are ported and polished.

How much horsepower and torque do I have?



===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
Bulls Win!  Bulls Win
===========================

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:52:24 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: TRW (sealed power) springs

Brett,
	I'm using TRW stock (heavy duty) constant rate spring for front
and back in my '72 442 with a 350. The backend sits very near to stock
heights but the front end is I think a little too high, I know for sure
higher than stock heights. The springs work well and are stiffer than
the originals in the car but not suited for racing applications, but
great for stock- street. I went with them mainly because of low cost and
readily available. I might change my front springs sometime in the
future but for now I relatively pleased. And I'm also using a rear
sway-bar, which helps a lot. Big difference with out it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Brett Wilson [SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, June 17, 1998 2:04 PM
> To:	oldsmobile
> Subject:	TRW (sealed power) springs
>
> Are there any people on this list running the TRW Stock springs on
> their cutlass?  I have a 67 and am wondering what would be a good
> spring combination.  I have an HO sway-bar and a pretty reinfoced
> frame. I am also running a small block without A/c.
> TIA
> Brett Wilson
> 67 Cutlass convertible << File: ATT01985.html >>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:59:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 10 bucks for help

Magnetic Charley Buehner wrote:

What year and make was that?  70 Cutlass, right?  I'm looking at a 67 body
manual, with some top mounting pictures.  I don't know if there'd be
~anything~
the same between the models, though.  Anyone know, did they change that
stuff
with the new body???
   In concept, no, but in detail, yes.  I've got both the 66 and 72 body
   manuals, and the part called the "male hinge" (go figure) is similar but
   mount differently.   First, some background.  The male hinge is the
   large metal part which is the anchor for the pivot points of the top
   mechanism above the wheel house in the rear quarter.  This bolts to the
   reinforcement on the inner quarter panel and has the attach points for
   the various linkages in the top frame.  If you were to remove the top
   frame from the body as a unit, you would undo the three bolts holding
   the male hinge to the inner quarter.  The male hinge also provides the
   mounting points for the body of the hydraulic cylinder (the rod end of
   the cylinder attaches to the linkage).

   On the 66 (and presumably, all 64-67, though I've only seen 66 and 67
   for sure), the reinforcement welded to the inner quarter panel actually
   stands off from the quarter (towards the interior of the car), forming a
   "pocket" that the male hinge fits into.  On the 70-72 cars (from what I
   can glean from the body manual) the male hinge just bolts to a
   reinforced spot on the inner quarter, above the wheelhouse.  There are
   three bolts on each side.  There's a picture in the body manual, but
   it's pretty dark and I doubt it will fax well.

   To Scott, I suspect this description is a little confusing.  Feel free
   to call me (703-406-5200 days) and I can try to describe to you what's
   in the manual.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:30:45 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: So. Wisc. yards (long)

I had my fun for today, I went to that junkyard, Schmidts, I found
almost everything I need there it was great they have a shitload of cars
there, that was my first time to a junkyard and now i'm hooked i'll
probably be back there everytime i have a day off. I am going back for
the raised letter valve covers i saw for the 98, and a dash cluster for
my firenza, and anything else i can possibly find, oh yeah and those
elusive fenders for my 98, yeehhhhaaaa!!

Jake Biehl
1977 98 Regency
1982 Firenza

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:04:33 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: OCA Homecoming - Sat June 20

WHERE: In Lansing, MI, at the (ex)Administration Building, 920 Townsend. Exit 6
off I-496. Restated for those joining in late.

Got a reservation at the Days Inn South for the 19th. This is close to Chris
Witt's residence and the admin building. Will be doing some yarding, visiting 
as
I drive to Lansing on the 19th.

I believe there is a cruise planned (in JWO) for Friday night. I would like to
make some plans to meet up with others. Blue Coyote? Lunch, dinner? I'll be
driving the red '88 Cutlass International Series (sounds impressive).

Let's see, so far these list members will be there:
Mark Cornea	<drdecal442@aol.com>
RC Hellebuyck	<mrhell@sprynet.com>
Doug Harkema	<harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
John Monnin	<JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Chris Witt	<wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:06:21 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 69 W-scoops

Everyone,

There was some discussion earlier about what the difference between the
68 and 69 W-Machine scoops.  On my web page, I have posted a "close-up"
of the W-31 ad from 69 that had a mounted 68 scoop, and one of Dr. Olds'
flunkies installing the "correct" 69 scoop.  Look close, and you can see
the difference.....

(Also added the 84 H/O "get hold of some lightning" centerfold.)

http://www.xtalwind.net/~hurstolds

Enjoy...
Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:34:21 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Shock absorbers

Listmembers,
   My 1969 442 convertible needs new shocks.  Have any list members had
experience (good or bad) with the Gabriel VST (variable sensitive
technology)shock or the Monroe Sensatrac shock?  Any other shock
absorber suggestions?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:38:06 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Shock absorbers

Go with the Koni, I have heard the KYB's are junk.  This is from a
reliable source.

The Koni's are said to be around $70 each.

If cost is an issue, I have always heard that Gabriel is better, but my
first set of struts have not convinced me.  I should have left the worn
out ones on.

I have Sensatrac on my Cutlass in the rear.  Not too bad.  See if you
can fit the cop car versions in.  Mine are.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac




- -----Original Message-----
From: flynt myrick [mailto:f_myrick@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 4:34 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Shock absorbers


Listmembers,
   My 1969 442 convertible needs new shocks.  Have any list members had
experience (good or bad) with the Gabriel VST (variable sensitive
technology)shock or the Monroe Sensatrac shock?  Any other shock
absorber suggestions?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:43:31 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shock absorbers

I put Gabriel VST shocks in my car when I went through the back end. I
have been very happy with them so far. If you are not planning on a real
stiff ride I would recommend them. They're cheap to boot.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>experience (good or bad) with the Gabriel VST

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:35:21 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: 68 bumble bee strip dimensions

coyster@earthlink.net

From the edge of the door and fender line 1.25"
Stripes are 7" wide outside to outside.
The first strip is 5/8" wide then a 1/2" space and then the wide stripe is
4 3/4" wide then 1/2" space and then another 5/8" stripe.

Remember that the bottom of the stripe has a slight angle back towards the
door. This angle carries for the last 2 1/2" of the stripe at the bottom.

The gap around the 442 emblem is 2"
Measure the center of the 442 Height and then go 1" from center in each
direction. this is where the stripe starts and goes up and down from there
the height of the fender.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:18:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Weekend Olds Finds

Reply directly to dlwels@yahoo.com if you have any interest.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: Weekend Olds Finds

While making the rounds at local graduation parties this weekend I
came across two Olds that may be of interest to someone.

1965 98 - This one is restored, seems really nice. Started and ran well.

1984 88 - This one has front end damage.  Interior and rear are very
good.

All I know right now is that the cars were owned by a man who passed
away in the last year or so.  His wife now wants to sell the cars.
They are being stored in nice, waterproof barns near Janesville,
Wisconsin.  I don't have any details on the cars, or the asking
prices.  I would be willing to do some checking if someone is
interested. E-mail me privately.

==
Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
1553 Read Road
Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
(608) 756-4352

'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:19:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Head for 371 Olds

Reply to fhuff@swbell.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Fred Huff <fhuff@swbell.net>
Subject: Head for 371 Olds

Any of you young whippersnappers know where I might find a head for a
371 CI Olds (1957/1958). We found one cracked when we magnafluxed it. It
could be repaired but would be better to replace. I am rebuilding the
engine for my 50 Olds street rod. Also are there any aftermarket master
cylinders available that might work with the brake pedal and brackets on
the 50 that accommodate front disc/rear drum brakes. We have fabricated
the front discs using the existing spindles. Looks great! May have to
redo the brackets if I can't find something to fit. Please Email replies
to fhuff@swbell.net.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:21:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '77 Salon FS

Reply to wattgraphics@worldnet.att.net if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Patrick Rotondo <wattgraphics@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 1977 Salon

I have a beautiful 77 Cutlass Salon for sale and would like to sell it
to an true Oldsmobile fan not just anyone. Can you h*lp?

ALL ORINGINAL 1977 Cutlass Salon, Beautiful Silver with Black Interior.

83,000 ORIGINAL MILES

Buckets w/console.


Tilt Wheel

Ralley Gauge Package.

Super Stock II Rims

Oldsmobile ROCKET 350cid / 4bbl. Orig Stock Motor

3 speed auto with B&M shift kit (just rebuilt 9.97) Orig Trans

Dual exhust with stock 442 trumpet tips.

Air Cond, Power Windows

Stock Radio

Power Front Disc brakes

Handling Poly Kit with upgraded Sway Bars

Less then 10,000 on new BF Goodrich white lettered tires

No rust very Clean in and out SOLID.

Drive anywhere or Show it. Well maintained Olds. Have all receipts.
*A few Extras. New casst stereo, more poly kit parts, Spare mounted
on 5th Super Stock II Rim. Will Negotiate. You will not
find a cleaner, STRONGER '77 for this price.
$4,500

This is a great Olds
My Cutlass needs a good home.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:00:32 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: dumb question

Had a buddy ask me this and I also wonder the answer........Does a set of
directional wheels point forward on one side of the car and backwards on the
other side (all wheels the same) -or- are there two opposite pairs to a "set"
?

Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln, Ne

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

89 Beretta
81 Kawasaki LTD

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:09:38 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: dumb question

At 07:00 PM 6/17/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Had a buddy ask me this and I also wonder the answer........Does a set of
>directional wheels point forward on one side of the car and backwards on the
>other side (all wheels the same) -or- are there two opposite pairs to a "set"
>?
>
>Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
>Lincoln, Ne
>
>56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
><A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
>85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
>89 Beretta
>81 Kawasaki LTD
>
>
>Ryan,
> Not dumb,You would think they would be L & R ,but all I've seen were
"different" on each side.
>John
>
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73  http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:19:34 -0400
From: "tuxton" <tuxton@misi.net>
Subject: Looking to buy 442 conv

I am looking to buy a 70 or 71 442 convertible fully restored.  Can anyone
suggest good sources I might use.

Thanks

tuxton@misi.net
Detroit, Michigan

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:17:46 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: 1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold

Firstly, my apologies for occupying bandwidth earlier with my non-Oldsmobile
request.

Furthermore I wish to assume personal blame for the accidental public posting
of any replies to same.

Apparently the America On Hold Servers in my area were being upgraded while I
was on line and caused Internet Exploder to freak out. On Tuesday I could not
even log on, never mind get mail!

However, I was able to view my page from Netscape (at work) and thank you's to
everybody for responding.

On the plus side, I have just logged on at an alleged speed of 48K, so I am
going to ignore that past fiasco. [More speed, more speed, ahhh-ohhhh-
arhhhh....]


And Now for something completely different.

Oldsmobile content.           [Crowd: "...finally!"]


I am soon gonna hafta attend to my windshield and back glass. The back window
needs more attention.

Part of which is that the "trim finishing lace" is old, rotted, and crumbling.
At least that is what my body manual calls it. For owners of unsimilar cars,
it is the moulding that covers both top and side edges of the glass inside the
car. The bottom is covered by a "painted feature strip" which is fine.

I would like to hear from anyone who has a source for the "trim finishing
lace", in almost any color. Currently green interior, but I am willing to work
around minor details like color scheme.

Let me add, in closing that I found a source for a back window glass seal kit
for 1965-75 all cars for $19 at www.supercars.com (no, it is a different
Supercars, sorry). This kit includes the 5 or so spacers that you set the
glass on when installing.

At this point, I am contemplating pulling the window entirely, so that I can
attack any potential rust problem areas, and reinstall the glass so that I
will know how good the seal is.

(But I will probably break it.)

Karl Aune
and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:35:54 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: 1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold

At 07:17 PM 6/17/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>At this point, I am contemplating pulling the window entirely, so that I can
>attack any potential rust problem areas, and reinstall the glass so that I
>will know how good the seal is.
>
>(But I will probably break it.)
>
>The front is the one you will break,Safety Glass.The back windows are
usually pretty forgiving,One big piece of advice---Just take your time.
>John
>
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73  http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Continuing saga

Heh, I though that you were gonna put THAT motor in to the Rockit because of
all it's engine problems lately!  I said to myself, "MAN, Charley's gotta be
down to 30-45 mins. for an engine swap by now!"

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:36 PM
Subject: Continuing saga


>buddy wants to know if I'm interested in his old 350. 70something, says it
has
>to go.  Ran before, then tranny died.  It's mine if I want it.  OK.
>
>The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
>OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:20:23 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: dumb question

Most of the directional wheels I've seen (early 90's Vette, for example)
"point" one way on the left and another way on the right because they're
just a single casting style.  I don't know which way is "right".  I don't
know if I've ever seen them point both ways, so it might look weird if they
did.

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: dumb question


>Had a buddy ask me this and I also wonder the answer........Does a set of
>directional wheels point forward on one side of the car and backwards on
the
>other side (all wheels the same) -or- are there two opposite pairs to a
"set"

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:28:57 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!

Cool.  Both of those cars are great looking Oldsmobiles!

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: super442@mindspring.com <super442@mindspring.com>
To: Cliff <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: My Olds is on Brycemans Olds Page!

>>tell everybody to go check out the Virtual Car Show on Brycemans
>>Oldsmobile page because I just got my 63 Oldsmobile Starfire posted up


>That makes two new additions,I made it too!!!!! (85 Cutlass)

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