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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 24 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1326



RE: engine weights
Re: Tic-Toc_Tach
Uho..
Re: Red Line WaterWetter - Technical Information
Re: Uho..
RE: 77 question
Beating the Oil Horse, 15W40 DMO
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Re: Brakes
RE: Brakes
RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Calibrating a Rally Pack Tach
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Re: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body
All subscribers: RE 1984 98 Classic
Re: But, officer...
Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one
RE: But, officer...
Unsubbing...
RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one
Re: KREEN
Re: 455 weight
RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
FlowTech mufflers
Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one
RE: FlowTech mufflers
RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
RE: KREEN
OOPS!
72 Cutlass windshield
Springfield Room
motor oils
Re: Tic-Toc_Tach
Re: 72 Cutlass windshield
Re: FlowTech mufflers
Re: Norwalk T-Shirt
671 Blown Olds
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
Re: 671 Blown Olds
Radiator Tag
unsubscribe
Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum
Olds Rapist
Mid 80's G-body Rallye Guage
Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations
[Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]
Support your good Junque Yarde was Olds Rapist
Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]
Re: Backfires?
Re: Support your good Junque Yarde was Olds Rapist
Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars
Someone please confirm for FAQ
71 Olds
71 Olds

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:43:18 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: engine weights

>
>1969 w31 350 dressed& wet alu int.  590lbs
>  From Mondello Tec. man.
 aluminum intake, huh???? surely Joe means an aftermarket intake,
otherwise I missing another piece off my W-31 and I have a feeling it's
goona be IMPOSSIBLE to find   :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:56:00 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tic-Toc_Tach

Anything under $450 is time to celebrate.


>the going rate is for a rally pack with the
>tic-toc-tach. Fits 70 thru 72 cutli.

>Mark Hahn



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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:59:53 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Uho..

When I posted the page for the Waterwetter, I did not realize it would
post the whole contents of the site in my message.  My apologies for
being stupid.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:02:21 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Red Line WaterWetter - Technical Information

Somebody's gonna get it !!!!! :-)

>There was some talk about redline Waterwetter a month or so ago and I
>have the site for the technical information for those interested at:
>
>http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:09:58 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Uho..

Eric Spence wrote:

> When I posted the page for the Waterwetter, I did not realize it would
> post the whole contents of the site in my message.  My apologies for
> being stupid.

Well this caused my Netscape application to core dump.  I don't know why.

I went in and took it out and it works now.

In the future make sure that non-html files are sent to the list.

Thanks,

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:18:23 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 77 question

Yes, it was a factory option in 1976, available on 88/98/Toro/Cutlass.

See one in person?  Once, Junkyard.  And no, I did not take it.  It
probably was on the 1976 Delta 88 Royale with factory airbags.   If
anyone is interested, the shoulder belt was not available on the cars
equipped with air bags.  Seems Olds felt if you had an airbag you didn't
need it!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: mnbassman@juno.com [mailto:mnbassman@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 2:10 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 77 question


I had a 77 cutlass (455 4bbl) that had to have one of the coolest
FACTORY
options I've ever seen.  Outside of the rally mirrors there was a little
thermometer.  It was mounted just in front of the mirror and wasn't
attached to it.  After the car got wrecked I sold the thermometer to my
uncle.  Being the wiss bang electrition that he is, he decided to fix
it.
 All because it was 3 degrees off.  You guessed it, he blow it up.  So
here are my questions?  First,  has anyone ever seen one of these?   b)
how rare are they?    And, where can I find another one?

Pat
mnbassman@juno.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:21:33 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Beating the Oil Horse, 15W40 DMO

Not to beat the 'What Oil / additives is best' Horse, but I'd like to
know one little thing:

Currently I'm using 15W40 Diesel Motor Oil (Comes in 5-Gallon Pail,
heavier oil, cheap).
I am convinced on Heavier oils in summer, and I've been told diesel
motor oil has more detergents, and that's the difference.  Is this true,
and is there any REAL concrete reason to avoid DMO based on this.
(BTW, I am a No_Additives - Clean oil is good oil kind of guy)

Sorry about beating the horse, I realize that's disrespectful.

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/gobstop.shtml  <-- One of a kind

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:39:10 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

I have converted two '68 to '72 GM 'A bodies' from Disc/Drum to
Disc/Disc using the setup off of the late '70s/early '80s 'F bodies'.
The conversion used the proportioning/metering valve from the donor car
as well as the rear setup itself. The conversion used two driver's side
backing plates (it might has been two passenger side, it's been about
ten years) to provide clearance.

The results...

No significant braking increases on either car. As a matter of fact, the
rear setups on those 'F body' cars have REALLY bad rotor warping
problems which obviously transfer to the new car. I believe this swap is
the one that gives rear disc setups a bad name. I have been told that a
custom valve will make the swap a little more worth the while, but
otherwise it is more trouble than it's worth.

This of course doesn't mean that all swaps aren't worth it. I had a
friend with a Buick GS that had custom brakes all the way around. I
don't remember whose setup it was, but god would it stop!!

Ironically what may be the best stopping car I have driven (I worked in
a brake shop for 2 years) is the wife's 1996 Thunderbird. Her car has 4
wheel NON-antilock brakes on it (she wont drive an antilock car). This
is odd because Ford didn't offer the 4 wheel setup without antilock and
the car's window sticker (got it new) said it had drums in the rear.

Hmmm..........


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>
>If anybody has some experience with putting disks on the rear and
seeing an
>improvement over the drum I'd appreciate hearing from you.
>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:39:33 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Brakes

Thanks for the info, i may just go back to rear disks. hopefully those
calipers came down in price.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:55:51 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Brakes

FWIW, You can get the backing plates for the rear disc for the Firebird
(all 79-81 Birds, not Camaro, were available with rear disc) from GM NEW
for about $50.  The calipers are pricey, but if you don't care about
emergency brake (can't say I recommend that!) you can use front calipers
on the rear.

Calipers.  76-78 Cadillac Eldorado, and maybe Toro (help me out if you
have seen this!!  I have not confirmed it yet) had an optional rear
disc.  The Eldo/Toro rear caliper has a 2 3/8in piston.

	     79-81 Firebirds.  Available, all had 2in pistons.

Difference?  Well, easy!  The Firebirds mounted one caliper on the front
of the axle, one rear.  This was to clear the rear shocks.  (as they
were staggered for axle twist control)  The Eldo/Toro has them both on
one side.  The bleeder valves MUST be on top, the Eldo/Toro setup will
bolt on 90% GM rear drive cars.  The 78-88 G-Bodies mount the backing
plate differently, so some work there.

A friend of mine has added this setup to his 1961 Pontiac Catalina.  So
yes, it fits the old 9.25 in Olds/Pontiac axle.  Minor grinding on a
hole or 2.  Bolted up nice.

I have a complete (minus rotors) setup from a 1977 Eldo, I just haven't
installed it yet.  Make a nice fall project.....

The 1979-81 Firebirds were some of the best stopping cars ever, having
11 in rotors all around, they did work.  Again, valve proportioning was
VERY important.  Consider the Disc/Drum cars are 11in front, 9in drum
rear.  But my 1991 Bonneville Disc/Drum will easily outstop my 1991
Lumina with 4 disc.  Just plain bad design!

The biggest reason is not braking power, it is FADE, disc brakes are
very resilient to fade because they have far more surface area to give
off heat.  HP Books on brakes covers this very well.

The first disc brakes were more like a clutch off a stickshift!  I have
seen some Italian cars have 2 brake shoes on a drum brake car.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com [mailto:AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:40 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Brakes


Thanks for the info, i may just go back to rear disks. hopefully those
calipers came down in price.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:00:18 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum

If you did not change the master cyl, that is the problem.  There is a
residual pressure valve that keeps a constant pressure (1-2 psi) for the
rear disc brakes.  This is something in the design.  Remove and all
should ok, but to be correct, you need the master cyl that has the
capacity for the larger capacity of the calipers.  A good one is the
1976 Corvette with MANUAL brakes, convert to manual brakes with 4 wheel
disc, lose weight, and keep good braking feel!!  The reservoir should
have equal size front and rear on the 4 wheel disc cars.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac




- -----Original Message-----
From: Brent Pinkstaff [mailto:fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:39 PM
<snip>
No significant braking increases on either car. As a matter of fact, the
rear setups on those 'F body' cars have REALLY bad rotor warping
problems which obviously transfer to the new car. I believe this swap is
the one that gives rear disc setups a bad name. I have been told that a
custom valve will make the swap a little more worth the while, but
otherwise it is more trouble than it's worth.
<snip>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:01:32 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> Ironically what may be the best stopping car I have driven (I worked in
> a brake shop for 2 years) is the wife's 1996 Thunderbird. Her car has 4
> wheel NON-antilock brakes on it (she wont drive an antilock car). This
> is odd because Ford didn't offer the 4 wheel setup without antilock and
> the car's window sticker (got it new) said it had drums in the rear.

The best brakes I had were non-antilocking and were on

my Lincoln TC that I got rid of.  Stopped on a dime, literally.

If my passenger did wear a seat belt when I stopped, it would

be window kissin time.

Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:02:25 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

...I have been told that a custom valve will make the swap a little more
worth the while...


     Brent, I think you may have just hit on the key.  The front to back
     proportioning valve setting is key to the performance of the brakes.
     It is very dependent on weight bias, weight transfer during braking,
     tire patch size, and brake capability.  The F-body proportioning valve
     is almost certainly not optimized for an A-body application.  An
     adjustable unit, properly dialed in, is mandatory.  Even worse (and
     likely the source of others' frustration with rear disc conversions)
     is the use of the original disc/drum proportioning valve.  This unit
     is _designed_ to limit the pressure to the rear drums to preclude
     premature rear wheel lockup; due to their non-self engerzing design,
     discs need higher line pressure than drums, so you can see the
     negative effect this incorrect proportioning valve would have.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:11:35 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body

All this talk on brakes, maybe someone can tell me if all 78-88 cars do
this.

My dad had always complained that his Cutlass (1985) would lock up the
right rear tire in hard braking.  Now that I have the car, I can
confirm.

This car did it from the factory, the car was bought new, with several
sets of brakes over the years(198K miles!), and always does it.  The car
is typically as shipped from GM, gas and the addition of driver.
Nothing else is carried in car (lighter....)

So no contamination, drums have been replaced once, and it still does
it.

At least it is a rear, and not front, and it does scare people when I
have to jam on the brakes to keep from hitting them.......

Any thoughts?  No contamination, brakes have been setup identical,
probably bled once or twice over the years.  But remember, it came from
Olds doing this.  So old/new, it has always done it.

Thanks!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:13:43 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum

Compare to a 1995 Impala SS!!!!  I made the comment to a friend that I
have heard the SS brakes are good.  He proved it.   Yes, as I peeled me
chest out of the seatbelt and away from the dash, they are!

Heavy car, good proportioning of bias, BIG brakes!  Steve, tell em!

Tom

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) [mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 4:02 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum


Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> Ironically what may be the best stopping car I have driven (I worked in
> a brake shop for 2 years) is the wife's 1996 Thunderbird. Her car has 4
> wheel NON-antilock brakes on it (she wont drive an antilock car). This
> is odd because Ford didn't offer the 4 wheel setup without antilock and
> the car's window sticker (got it new) said it had drums in the rear.

The best brakes I had were non-antilocking and were on

my Lincoln TC that I got rid of.  Stopped on a dime, literally.

If my passenger did wear a seat belt when I stopped, it would

be window kissin time.

Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:17:06 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum

No, I did swap the master cylenders. I just forgot to mention that in
the previous message.

Brent Pinkstaff

>
>If you did not change the master cyl, that is the problem.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:59:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Calibrating a Rally Pack Tach

I see ads offering this service for the 1960s-1970s vintage tachs. Does
anyone know what's involved and whether this can be done by a non-expert?
If you had a known accurate tach to check engine speed with and there was
an adjusting screw somewhere on the Tic-Toc I can't see why not, but if
you have to play with resistors or whatever I can see why you might want
to send it out. Anyone know?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:25:24 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

Here's a little non-stock disk brake info we use on the race car.  The mention
of the pressure not being what it needs to be is exactly the problem usually
associated with this swap.  What we do on the race car is install 1) an
adjustable proportioning adjuster-our race car has a seperate master cylinder
for each axle, and 2) a set of pressure guages so we can see exactly where the
pressure is.  You want more pressure on the front than the back, but not too
much difference.  The exact setting depends on the driver's individual style,
I use my left foot to operate the brake (and at Lakeside, brakes are necessary
to "load" the chassis properly in the corners) so my settings might not be the
same as someone who uses their right foot on the brake.

The rear disc setup we have uses GM-style front calipers on both axles with
aftermarket brackets welded on the axle tube.  The discs are a steel racing
part that is sandwiched between the wheel and the hub, and the rearend is a 9"
F-word variety, virtually indestructible and dirt cheap to maintain.  I can
change ratios in the car by myself in about a half an hour, that in itself
makes me think about putting one in my Supreme whan I rebuild/modify/adapt it
for something that will make Real Street Eliminators take notice, but that's
another story..........

Take Care All,

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:15:01 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lockup rear brakes on G-Body

Brakes are funny, my Cutlass, with good / new brakes, brakes hard enough
on the back that on Gravel, there is a range of braking where the
rear-tires lock and fronts spin, allowing for real-tight cornering (Not
to be abused, less a good Car get wrecked!)  Maybe a 1/2 crimped Line
somewhere is giving more pressure to that tire?  I know on my mom's car,
it will pull a bit to the side the odd time in the winter, due to the
ralley rim's allowing more snow/ice onto the disks (serious!)

Whatever it is, it would be interesting to find out.

Thomas Martin wrote:

> My dad had always complained that his Cutlass (1985) would lock up the
> right rear tire in hard braking.  Now that I have the car, I can
> confirm.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:43:45 -0500
From: "lou biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: All subscribers: RE 1984 98 Classic

My favorite hardware store has a 1984 98 classic for sale. A little
rust(left rear door) and some other spots, but not bad. Needs front buckets
recovered. Good chrome, body not been hit, (that I can tell), $900.00. I'm
sure they will talk. e@mail me direct and I could give you more info.
Apparently belongs to the old owner of the store who only works part time.
It's a family business. I would buy it for s*its and grins but I have
enought cars now. Darn sure worth $900.00. I am sure they would take less.
Restore or part it out. St Louis area.

lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:44:36 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: But, officer...

	I got caught speeding in my 77 on a hilly highway, before the cop got 
turned
around and caught up to me, had the car stopped and the hood up.  ((--One time
in the garage I had the linkage hang up on the bottom of the aftermarket air
cleaner(there was a little tube connection that wasn't in use and I put it
above the linkage on accident) which caused the pedal to stick.--))  Anyway,
with this in mind I used it as my excuse when the little piggy got to the
car.......pedal stuck..see I'll show you.......heart racing I managed to save
my butt.....I'll never forget that....

BTW: one of only two excuses that have EVER worked for me!!

Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln, Ne

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

89 Beretta
81 Kawasaki LTD

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:01:34 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one

Thats a tough decision.

I sold my 94 Z28 with 6-speed trans to buy my 69 cutlass convertable.

Pros:
- - I am saving  $800 a year in insurance -liability only on Cutlass
- - I enjoy working on a car and when I had trouble with the Z-28 I had to get
the work done at the dealer.
- -  Cheaper parts, I work on the Cutlass ofte, but the parts are cheap.
- - I enjoy being a member of the "Old Car Club"  I like having  other old car
owners wave ar me when I pass them on the road.  My wife still doesn't
understand why people way at us when we drive by.  When I bought my Z28 in 94
there was not many on the road yet.  I went to the Dallas car show and I got
mobbed in the parking lot with people asking questions.  By the time I sold it
I would see 10 cars a day that looked exactly like it.

Cons:
- - The Z-28 was awsome.  I have never driven any car with as much gusto as 
that
car.  The 6-speed transmission was a pleasure.  That car could out handle,
accellerate and outbrake my 69 350 Cutlass despite many upgrades to the
Cutlass.
- -  My wife trusted the Z28.  I still haven't convinced my wife that the
Cutlass will be reliable -as soon as I make a few more changes.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:05:06 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: But, officer...

I sure hope that officer is not on this list!

<G>

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From: MFATZII@aol.com [mailto:MFATZII@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 5:45 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: But, officer...


	I got caught speeding in my 77 on a hilly highway, before the cop got
turned
around and caught up to me, had the car stopped and the hood up.
((--One time
in the garage I had the linkage hang up on the bottom of the aftermarket
air
cleaner(there was a little tube connection that wasn't in use and I put
it
above the linkage on accident) which caused the pedal to stick.--))
Anyway,
with this in mind I used it as my excuse when the little piggy got to
the
car.......pedal stuck..see I'll show you.......heart racing I managed to
save
my butt.....I'll never forget that....

BTW: one of only two excuses that have EVER worked for me!!

Ryan  (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln, Ne

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click
here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

89 Beretta
81 Kawasaki LTD

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:09:53 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Unsubbing...

I'm uns#bscribing temporarily.  Be back in a few days.

Please send all correspondence to my regular e-mail address:
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:28:34 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

I've never tried Amsoil. Does anyone know how they handle backfires? I know
some foam filters will melt and drop chunks into your motor. I don't know
if chunks of foam are harmful or not, but I don't like to see chunks of
anything going in there.

At 10:04 AM 6/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Not to be advertising, but I did see an airflow test of an Amsoil air
>filter vs a K&N.  The Amsoil had slightly more airflow, and passed no
>perceptible dirt, while the K&N passed lots of dirt.  The K&N filter box
>says they outflow Amsoil, but they used a large filter for the K&N and a
>small one for the Amsoil.  Paper filters flowed about 50% less air then
>the Amsoil and K&N.  They did trap dirt well though.
>
>The Amsoil filter is a foam on a metal frame, oil soaked.  The Accel air
>filters are similar.
>
>(Amsoil filter is cheaper too!!)
>
>You can check them out for yourselves.
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:35:17 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one

I guess it could be different on an Olds, but I did this conversion on a
240Z and the difference was unbelievable. My brake problems disappeared.

At 12:28 PM 6/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>*12 front disk brakes from Master Power in place of the stock front disks.
>   (Forget rear disks everybody I've talked to says it's a complete waste
>of money
>      and that it actually impedes the stopping ability)
'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:12:47 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: KREEN

In a message dated 98-06-23 13:26:22 EDT, you write:

<< someone gave me a flyer on something called KREEN produced by KANO
 LABORATORIES. it is some sort of "vunderbar" oil/engine additive. any input
 or opinions? >>

I personally think additives are a complete waste of money.
If you change the oil on a regular basis the engine will run at least 100,000
miles probably 150,000 miles.  I can't image not tearing apart an engine after
100,000 so why bother paying for a additive?

P.S.  Synthetic oil is not an additive.  I use Synthetic in tubo charged cars
because regular oil may coke up in a hot turbo, and turbos are expensive to
replace.  A non turbo charged car doen't get hot enough to warrent synthetic
oil.  IN MY OPINION

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:15:04 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 455 weight

         As for the weight of a 350 it's right around 560 lbs fully dressed.

Jim Chermack

At 01:57 PM 6/23/1998 EDT, you wrote:
>Mr. Rollin,
>
>Thanks for posting that, I've always been curious about the weight of the
>typical big block.  I wonder how much difference those Edelbrock aluminum
>heads and intake would make.
>
>On a related note, do you know how much a typical 350 Olds weighs?  I've also
>been curious about the difference between the BB and SB weight-wise.
>
>Thanks again,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:24:05 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

I honestly don't know, the metal frame will keep it on the outside of
the filter, so that is not bad, but I have never heard of a filter
melting from a backfire.  Amsoil has a warranty to cover

Live and Learn!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



- -----Original Message-----
From: Albert Meyer [mailto:Olds@austintx.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 5:29 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations


I've never tried Amsoil. Does anyone know how they handle backfires? I
know
some foam filters will melt and drop chunks into your motor. I don't
know
if chunks of foam are harmful or not, but I don't like to see chunks of
anything going in there.

At 10:04 AM 6/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Not to be advertising, but I did see an airflow test of an Amsoil air
>filter vs a K&N.  The Amsoil had slightly more airflow, and passed no
>perceptible dirt, while the K&N passed lots of dirt.  The K&N filter box
>says they outflow Amsoil, but they used a large filter for the K&N and a
>small one for the Amsoil.  Paper filters flowed about 50% less air then
>the Amsoil and K&N.  They did trap dirt well though.
>
>The Amsoil filter is a foam on a metal frame, oil soaked.  The Accel air
>filters are similar.
>
>(Amsoil filter is cheaper too!!)
>
>You can check them out for yourselves.
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:26:41 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: FlowTech mufflers

Anyone had experience with FlowTech/Powersport mufflers? They are supposed to
out-flow Flowmaster and Dynomax, and be quieter.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:26:58 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: making olds into sportscar vs. buying one

I can tell you from working at Peterbilt engineering that Rockwell Class-8
truck disc brakes stop faster that drum brakes especially at high speeds.  A
big rig running 70 MPH with 80,000 total weight can stop in 1/3 less distance
with front disc brakes  over drum brakes.  At 55 miles per hour it is not as
significant.  Brake manufactures who have not changed their disc brake designs
sing the speed limit went to 55 are looking at redesigning their disc brakes
in case the federal goverment requires shorter stopiing distances for trucks.
The only practical way to do this is with disc brakes.

So why do 99% of trucks run drum brakes???

Money:  Disk brakes on truck are extremly expensive, usually only fuel haulers
use disk brakes on big rigs for safety because one burning gasoline truck
tends to be very very expensive.

Reliability:  For those of you who know class 8 trucks you will also know that
disc brakes have a bad reputation for warping and vibrating.  This is true
because large truck brakes disipate 80,000 lbs worth of stopping energy,so
much heat that the disc tend to warp.  This is not true with a 3,000lb car
with no trailer.  In fact disc brakes are probably more reliable than drum
brakes on a car.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:28:03 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: FlowTech mufflers

I have the Hooker Super Comps and they are nice, but at idle, they tend
to draw some attention.  If you are in the car, very quiet, outside,
almost loud.

At WOT, WHHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon442@aol.com [mailto:Jon442@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:27 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: FlowTech mufflers


Anyone had experience with FlowTech/Powersport mufflers? They are
supposed to
out-flow Flowmaster and Dynomax, and be quieter.

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:59:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum

> Compare to a 1995 Impala SS!!!!  I made the comment to a friend that I
> have heard the SS brakes are good.  He proved it.   Yes, as I peeled me
> chest out of the seatbelt and away from the dash, they are!
>
> Heavy car, good proportioning of bias, BIG brakes!  Steve, tell em!

Funny you should mention this.  As Joe P. has correctly stated, a
disc/disc setup requires a specially calibrated proportioning valve for
optimal performance.  The Impala SS happens to use the _same_ combination
valve (which incorporates the proportioning valve) as a late model
(disc/drum) Caprice, Roadmaster or Fleetwood!  However, one must consider
that the SS is equipped with ABS, which would help compensate for any
front-rear bias problems under maximum effort braking.  IMHO, the tires
are largely responsible for the Impala's excellent braking performance.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:43:27 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum

255 50 17's?  Yeah, a foot or more of rubber on all corners planting you
to the pavement, you have a good point!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac




- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Wong [mailto:brougham@geocities.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:00 PM
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum


> Compare to a 1995 Impala SS!!!!  I made the comment to a friend that I
> have heard the SS brakes are good.  He proved it.   Yes, as I peeled me
> chest out of the seatbelt and away from the dash, they are!
>
> Heavy car, good proportioning of bias, BIG brakes!  Steve, tell em!

Funny you should mention this.  As Joe P. has correctly stated, a
disc/disc setup requires a specially calibrated proportioning valve for
optimal performance.  The Impala SS happens to use the _same_
combination
valve (which incorporates the proportioning valve) as a late model
(disc/drum) Caprice, Roadmaster or Fleetwood!  However, one must
consider
that the SS is equipped with ABS, which would help compensate for any
front-rear bias problems under maximum effort braking.  IMHO, the tires
are largely responsible for the Impala's excellent braking performance.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario,
Canada

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:47:21 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: KREEN

http://members.surfsouth.com/~gdirksen/oiladd.html

Read this page, it is long, but a lot of good info.  I am not biased to
Amsoil, but they do make a darn good oil!  Better than Mobil 1 from the
data I have collected from both.

Tom

- -----Original Message-----
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com [mailto:JohnMonnin@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 6:13 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: KREEN


In a message dated 98-06-23 13:26:22 EDT, you write:

<< someone gave me a flyer on something called KREEN produced by KANO
 LABORATORIES. it is some sort of "vunderbar" oil/engine additive. any
input
 or opinions? >>

I personally think additives are a complete waste of money.
If you change the oil on a regular basis the engine will run at least
100,000
miles probably 150,000 miles.  I can't image not tearing apart an engine
after
100,000 so why bother paying for a additive?

P.S.  Synthetic oil is not an additive.  I use Synthetic in tubo charged
cars
because regular oil may coke up in a hot turbo, and turbos are expensive
to
replace.  A non turbo charged car doen't get hot enough to warrent
synthetic
oil.  IN MY OPINION

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:49:49 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: OOPS!

Sorry, that last email was not intended for the list, please disregard.

Wasn't paying attention!

Tom

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:47:32 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: 72 Cutlass windshield

Hi listmembers,

Thanks for the replies to my 455 weight question.

Here's a couple more...........I'm looking for a windshield for a 72 Cutlass
Supreme and a steering column for the same. Floor shift, not on column.
Anyone have any leads for me?

One non-Olds question. I can't send a new message to the list. I get a
message saying that an error ocurred and can't sent mail. I can reply and
forward okay. It only happens with the address to this list. I'm using
outlook 98 and IE 4.0, anybody else have this problem? Just curious.

TIA,
Randy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:02:55 EDT
From: <SrDiet442@aol.com>
Subject: Springfield Room

Does anyone need a room in sprinfield for the Olds Nats ?

I reserved a room at the Crowne Plaza but I can not attend.

Let me know before I cancell it.

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 Conv.
    S/E PA

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:32:03 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: motor oils

i've seen quite a few post lately about motor oils . theres a good article on
the dragnet drag racing home page . its called all you ever wanted to know
about motor oil. it also has a data sheet comparing all the major brand oils.
the dragnet home page is at    http://www.rconcepts.corn/beard/dragnet/
sx455 rick watts

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:40:53 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tic-Toc_Tach

Sold my set for $200.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:34 PM
Subject: Tic-Toc_Tach


>I know there was alot of talk a while back about this.
>However, I need to know what the going rate is for a rally pack with
the
>tic-toc-tach. Fits 70 thru 72 cutli.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark Hahn
>75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:45:36 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass windshield

Randy, I just researched this for my 72 Cutlass.  I can tell ya that a Steering
Column from a 75-76 Buick Regal, Cutlass, or Pontiac Lemans will fit using the
bracket plate from the old column that bolts to the firewall.  I put a 76 Regal
floor shift column in mine, works great.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project

- -----Original Message-----
>Here's a couple more...........I'm looking for a windshield for a 72 Cutlass
>Supreme and a steering column for the same. Floor shift, not on column.
>Anyone have any leads for me?


>
>One non-Olds question. I can't send a new message to the list. I get a
>message saying that an error ocurred and can't sent mail. I can reply and
>forward okay. It only happens with the address to this list. I'm using
>outlook 98 and IE 4.0, anybody else have this problem? Just curious.
>
>TIA,
>Randy
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:47:31 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: FlowTech mufflers

Jon, I have the Flowtech Terminator mufflers on my 80 442.  If you want quiet,
get these as they are damn quiet from idle all the way up to WOT...kinda makes
me mad as I want them louder :-) Don't get the Hooker Aero Chamber mufflers of
you want quiet...they get very loud.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project


>Anyone had experience with FlowTech/Powersport mufflers? They are supposed to
>out-flow Flowmaster and Dynomax, and be quieter.
>
>Jon
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:50:43 EDT
From: <BuchD@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Norwalk T-Shirt

That shirt would be the perfect present for the Olds fan who has everything!
I wonder where someone could get one.
Charlie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:10:18 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: 671 Blown Olds

Anyone ever find a company that makes a 671 manifold for the mighty Olds 455?

olds442@en.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:08:17 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

In a message dated 6/23/98 7:43:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jonparke@together.net
writes:

> If anybody has some experience with putting disks on the rear and seeing an
>  improvement over the drum I'd appreciate hearing from you.
>
>
Well hell, if the rear disks don't help me stop any better, at least I know I
can park uphill without worrying about my E-brake not holding my car from
rolling backwords.
K

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:07:53 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

Trust me, the foam in the Edelbrock filter disintegrates. I pulled dime size
pieces of it out of my carb and intake. Does the Amsoil filter cover the top
of the carb as does the Edelbrock. Or just the sides like a paper filter?

Randy


>I honestly don't know, the metal frame will keep it on the outside of
>the filter, so that is not bad, but I have never heard of a filter
>melting from a backfire.  Amsoil has a warranty to cover
>Live and Learn!
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:42:34 -0600
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: 671 Blown Olds

Dave Smith Engineering based out of California.  Don't have their address
right now but I know it is in their last catalog.

Travis Adams
65 442 Sports Coupe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 7:06 PM
Subject: 671 Blown Olds


>Anyone ever find a company that makes a 671 manifold for the mighty Olds
455?
>
>olds442@en.com
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:48:21 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Radiator Tag

I purchased a 69 Olds radiator and it had a 2.5" x 3" metal tag on it
with the following info:

IA    OR
XF
46

Does this mean anything to anybody?  Is this a factory tag?

- -Dan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:54:06 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

 unsubscribe me from the list please

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:03:32 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Re: Disks in rear VS. Drum

hello thomas,

I see that you have a G-body with the 350 "on the computer"
I'm going to do this swap before, and drive it to, the Olds Nationals next
month.

What should I expect in the following areas:

1) [computer controlled via  hypertech 307 stage II]  performance.

2) computer controlled emission output.

3) did the vacuum signal change, or change anything the computer looked at.

4) base  timing change/adjustment

5) swapping the 256 to a 373 rear

thanks,
erik hill
'88 cutl.sup.clsc
307yci.200-r4

- ----------
> From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Disks in rear VS. Drum
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 9:00 PM
>
>
> If you did not change the master cyl, that is the problem.  There is a
> residual pressure valve that keeps a constant pressure (1-2 psi) for the
> rear disc brakes.  This is something in the design.  Remove and all
> should ok, but to be correct, you need the master cyl that has the
> capacity for the larger capacity of the calipers.  A good one is the
> 1976 Corvette with MANUAL brakes, convert to manual brakes with 4 wheel
> disc, lose weight, and keep good braking feel!!  The reservoir should
> have equal size front and rear on the 4 wheel disc cars.
>
> Thomas Martin
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> 80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Pinkstaff [mailto:fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 3:39 PM
> <snip>
> No significant braking increases on either car. As a matter of fact, the
> rear setups on those 'F body' cars have REALLY bad rotor warping
> problems which obviously transfer to the new car. I believe this swap is
> the one that gives rear disc setups a bad name. I have been told that a
> custom valve will make the swap a little more worth the while, but
> otherwise it is more trouble than it's worth.
> <snip>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:16:24 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Olds Rapist

Took a trip to Glendive today, for a job-related repair run.  Get there, sign
says "Out to Lunch, back at 1."  So, hit the local junk yard.  Haven't been
there in years, so it was due time.  Asked about mid 80's Cutlass.  Said "nope,
none."  70-72 Buicks?  Nope.  Ummm.... "Got some time to kill, figured I'd 
check
it out..."  "You're welcome to go wander around--"  cool.  Killed off about 45
minutes.  (Oops)  Found a 67 Delmont 88, perfect front end.  A little different
than my 98, but I think the front end will work.  Took note of it.  Found
~three~ more, in varying states of worse condition.  Lots of old metal.  55, 
57,
and 58 Buicks, one a near twin to mine, except for being trashed.  mid-late 
50's
Olds.  Not sure exactly what it was, have to research it.  Only saw the front,
rest overgrown by trees/weeds.  Couple Toros (no correct horn button, sorry 
Lisa
M!)  Riviera GS, trashed.  Found a Buick old-style center cap.  Grabbed it.  
Now
I have three large and three medium caps.  Figured I'd just as well grab it,
since the others were gone.  Car still had three of the 15" chrome Buick rims,
too.  Hmm.  (warning sign??)  Anyway, later find a 66 Delmont Convertible.
Trashed, but there.  Top frame up, but no top.  Interior there, but destroyed.
Mine for the low low price of... Get this: $1000!!!  Wanted to try charging me
$30 for that centercap.  Year One has 'em for, oh, ~half~ of that!  Paid 'em
$12.50, in hopes of getting better price quotes on other items.  He asked me
what I figured that 67 would be worth.  I started the bidding war with the 
usual
$50.  (What I normally give for a full car!)  He laughed.  I followed with 
"what
do you normally get for a car?"  "Well, we normally don't sell full cars since
we're in the ~parts~ business.  Right now it looks like there's too much
distance between us on that car.  You get up to the $300-400 range, we can talk
about that front end."  Oof!  <Insert image of an Olds-Magnet coughing up a
hairball>  I kept my cool, just in case I get a different salesman (instead of
the owner) if I ever go there again.  Lots of decent stuff.  Oh, they ~did~ 
have
an 81 Cutlass, too.  He didn't know about it, I didn't enlighten them.  Grills
OK, complete, rough.

He tried arguing the value of the front end sheetmetal on those older cars.  I
was so tempted to start in with  "To whom????  That whole car cost ~you~ less
than $50, including labor and fuel to pick it up.  Guaranteed.  How many of 
them
are on the road still?  How many of them are on the road ~by choice?~  Of
~those~ how many are likely to get seriously wrecked???  Of THOSE, how many are
going to get FIXED???  Of those eligible, how many are going to pay ~YOU~ $400
for a front end?  Narrows it down a lot, doesn't it?  So, rather than provide a
decent service to someone who is willing to make good use of it, you'll just 
sit
on it, waiting to rape someone who's in dire need.  I call that a pre-meditated
crime."  Alas, as I said, I just kept my mouth shut.  Those thoughts were
certainly running through my mind, though.

Any willing rape victims want a 66 Delmont Convertible, trashed, $1000?  Let me
know.  I'll give you their address and even throw in some vaseline!  ;)  Here's
it's VIN beginnings: 356676M......

Lost:  Large Adult Doberman:  Answers to "Kill Boy, Kill"

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:18:28 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Mid 80's G-body Rallye Guage

What's the going rate for these packages?  Heard a rumor of one f/s locally.
Half tempted to get it for the 82, not sure yet.  Supposedly complete, with
tach.  Have to go look at it and find a $$$ for it.  Anyone in dire need of 
one?
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:25:57 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Air Cleaner Recommendations

In a message dated 6/24/98 1:22:38 AM

>  but I have never heard of a filter
>  melting from a backfire.

I had a Edelbrock foam filter that burned to the ground when the carb
backfired. Picking the burnt rubber out of my carb was no picnic.
K

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:56:14 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]

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Sparky
- --
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All,

I am in desperate need for a choke coil for a '66 Toro!

Ordinarily, my parts wizzard (Andy) at Car Quest gets me anything and
everything, but on this rare occasion, he came up short.

This is the divorced choke dealie bob that has one bolt holding a small metal
cover to the left of the carb (as you look at it) containing the spring and
connecting rod....you guys know the one. This one lost all it's snap and won't
lock in the choke.

I checked the ubiquitous catalogs (Fusick, Olds USA) to no avail!

HELP!

Sparky
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:32 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Support your good Junque Yarde was Olds Rapist

In a message dated 98-06-23 23:42:14 EDT, you write:

<< Lost:  Large Adult Doberman:  Answers to "Kill Boy, Kill" >>

RAOTFLMAO

HAH!

Know what you mean!

There is the pretentious owner at one yard who will NOT give a set price for
cyl heads because "some are worth more than others." Oh, and if you look
closely there is a set of "C" heads half buried in the access road. God, I
hope those are the small-valve variety.

On the other hand there is the substitute for the owner of a good sized yard
with finds too numerous to post, from whence I got many primo pics (no
scanner, dammit!), who says "Heads? $150 a pair."

A boon to the metropolitan yard that keeps only cars from the past fifteen
years is the set price list. Like intake manifolds for $20. Whether they go
with "J" block and heads or are the A4 (gimme more!) type.

May God keep and defend the sensible yarde owner from the forces that think
that the auto salvage yard is a blight to the community.

Karl Aune - future Yarde Owner
&SOM - future yard occupant

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:12:36 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Toro] 66 Choke Coil]

All,

This is the divorced choke dealie bob that has one bolt holding a small metal
cover to
the left of the carb

Is the '68 the same???  I just saw one today at a yard (*read my rape case,
posted earlier...*)  If it'll work, let me know.  Next time I'm down there, 
I'll
grab it for you.  (and my ankles...  Sorry if that offends anyone...  This 
would
be an occasion where I'd be glad I kept my mouth shut for the duration...)
Small piece like that, they couldn't want more than, oh, say, $75 for it!
(Hopefully that's only a joke!)  Let me know.  We run down there usually once a
week.  What size bolt holds that on there?  (so I wouldn't have to lug the
entire toolbox through the lot...  They'd probably want to inspect it...)

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:17:02 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Backfires?

In a message dated 98-06-23 10:31:14 EDT, you write:

<<  I wonder if the ECM is trying to lean it out for EGR
 and 307, and it is too much.  I can trick the O2 sensor and make it
 richer, I guess that is something to play with! >>

Uhhhh...so you disconnected the EGR on a computer control (freak) car?
Won't that be worse?

<< The timing is set very close to stock (20 degrees), maybe 22,>>

Maybe?

I did not think computer control (freak) cars would tolerate advance.
You do have a timing chain, right?
Has anything been done with the distributor (like removal and re-insertion)?

<< is ElectronicSpark Control.  When detonation/pinging is detected from the
knock sensor, the controller (not COMPUTER!) >>

Urh?
Yah, sure. Not computer. Whatever.   :)

FWIW my mechanical setup works just fine.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:23:15 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Support your good Junque Yarde was Olds Rapist

Oh, and if you look
> closely there is a set of "C" heads half buried in the access road.

The ~access road~, eh?  This being the road leading ~to~ the yard, and not
~through~ the yard?  Got a shovel?????  :)

I was impressed by the small showing of a certain brand.  I walked down this 
one
aisle, and noticed a peculiar odor.  Hey, I was right, that ~is~ a 68 cam*ro up
there!  Not many bowties.  Bummer ;)  Car Craft should take note!

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The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:47:51 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming - Bob Kerr's cars

Hi,

Could you please type out the url.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:00:04 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Someone please confirm for FAQ

Found at Lansing's Oldsmobile Homecoming;

A 1966 car with small block.

Possibly a 330cid block.

Block ID:  "381917   1A"

with "3" cylinder heads.

Can anyone confirm the existence of the "1A" block?

Was this a factory replacement/remanufacture?


Thanks in advance.

Karl Aune
for David Brown
(&SOM)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:15:07 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: 71 Olds

Anyone interested?  Posted at
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=18172123

Redline, 71' OLDS 442' Light Apple Green, white interior, wheels chrome
90%+, has
     original spolier, no stripes, paint shiny, has a couple small
nicks, overall, clean, xlnt to
     near mint, C-8-1/2 to C-9 nice color! car is loose

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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:16:41 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: 71 Olds

Sorry, forgot to say the current bid is $103.55!

Redline, 71' OLDS 442' Light Apple Green, white interior, wheels chrome
90%+, has
     original spolier, no stripes, paint shiny, has a couple small
nicks, overall, clean, xlnt to
     near mint, C-8-1/2 to C-9 nice color! car is loose

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