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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 1 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1399



catolog parts
RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
67 Chrome
Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem e)... <long>
Re: 67 Chrome
1990's Cutlass convertible
RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem e)... <long>
71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response please}
RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem e)... <long>
Re: 71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response please}
Jackass Driver Registry
Re: catolog parts
Re: catolog parts
Brakes really squishy (72 98)
power locks Working
Don't know what to call it.
Re: New Olsmobilia purchase
Re: Oldsmobilia Question
bugs in the HEI?????
Police Chases 3
UNBOUNCE: Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69
Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme
Diesel Cutlass
Re: 75 olds Omega
Re: bugs in the HEI?????
Re: Oldsmobilia Question
Re: Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme
Re: Police Chases 3
65 Convertible Top Switch 4 Sale
G-body rear
black cat run
Re: Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme
Re: black cat run
Interesting item on eBay web site item#23258764: old OLDSMOBILE VISOR
MIRROR-w/REMINDERS! Re: Diesel Cutlass Re: 71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response
please} Re: Diesel Cutlass Omegas and 75-80 Starfires Re: Oldsmobile History
Center Re: Diesel Cutlass more diesel exhaust questions... 75 Omega re: Paul's
Question Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's Question Re: '77 442 stuff for sale BACK IN 
THE
RANKS Re: Transmission ID Code 75 Omega re: Paul's comment Re: Oldsmobilia
Question Re:  Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass 
Supreme)...
<long> Re: mirror HBO movie Gear Oil Re: Thinking about some G-body
modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem e)... <long> Re: bugs in the HEI????? Re: 80
Olds 350 running rough Expenditures was: great day junqueyard Re: Diesel 
Cutlass
Re: OPC Racing This Weekend Re: Diesel Cutlass Re: need dipstick help Re: OPC
Racing This Weekend

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:34:19 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: catolog parts

does any one know where I can get a catolog for olds parts and accessories for
like 80 through 85 cutlass supreme's I have plenty for 64-77 I just cant find
any for later models TIA       Rich
81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:39:16 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

>and convert.  The mouldings and rear suspension are also interchangeable,
>however keep in mind that this refers to the rear axle as an assembly.

Joe, so are you saying on the rear suspension that upper and lower
control arms must be swapped with the rear axle?  I guess I'm asking if
the upper and lower rear control arms can swap without swapping the rear
axle.
>
>The 69 steering column was the first to have the ignition on the column and
>thus will only interchange with 69-72.  67 was the first year for

Duh, I new that about the ignition, why I didn't think about that I
don't know.

Thanks, Joe

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:43:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

Joe, so are you saying on the rear suspension that upper and lower
control arms must be swapped with the rear axle?  I guess I'm asking if
the upper and lower rear control arms can swap without swapping the rear
axle.

Chris Smetana
_______________

No, sorry for the confusion.  The rear control arms are the same from 64-67
(but different from 68-72).  What I meant was that 64-67 axle housings have
the same suspension attach points and width (again, different from 68-72),
however there are a number of different internals/gear sizes/axle splines
to contend with.  Some interchangeability at the internal component level
is possible if you know what you're doing, but to be safe, as a blanket
statement, the axle assembly (without the arms) will swap as a unit.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:52:17 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

Ahh, guess I wasn't being clear and assuming you knew what I was talking
about.  But this definately clears things up.  Thanks
Chris
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:13:43 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

Smetana, Christopher wrote:
>
> Ahh, guess I wasn't being clear and assuming you knew what I was talking
> about.  But this definately clears things up.  Thanks
> Chris
> >
Chris,

Swapping a rear axleform a '66 into a '65, I discovered that the female
inlet on the brake fluid block located on top of the pumpkin was a
different thread size.  Don't force off the block, use a thread
adaptor.  Also remember to use spring mounting pads of the same year as
the coils you're using.  One year has a tighter bottom coil than the
other.  Tops don't matter, they're the same.  Also, the '66 and '67
boxed control arms are fully boxed as opposed to the partially boxed
'65's.  It makes a difference in durability, if you can, use the later
arms.  Later.

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:25:02 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 67 Chrome

Question, what diffrenece..... if any, is there between the chrome moldings on
a 67 cutlass and a cutlass supreme?? i need to know because my 67 cutlass is
missing most of the side moldings but we have a 67 cutlass supreme parts car
that has all the moldings. so are they the same or what??? Thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:32:33 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

In a message dated 98-07-31 13:27:34 EDT, you write:

<< I'm just curious if a 66 Cutlass trunk lid will fit a 67 Cutlass f-85? >>
yes

rear window
yes except convertables won't (!?)

Also will a 69 4-4-2 floor shift steering column fit a 67 Cutlass f-85?
I *GUESS* one was never offered in the '67. First year listed is '69. Either
that or they for some reason didn't include it.

              Dorian

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:43:01 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem 
e)...
<long>

>I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the G-body Monte
>Carlo SS and Buick Grand National Rears will work in your car. Of course
>the G-body Hurst Olds rear will too. If you have luck finding a 3.73 or
>3.42 rear to install in your car you my also want to swap in an
>overdrive tranny such as the TH200R4. Otherwise your engine will not
>like highway driving.

I believe the Monte Carlo SS cars had (7.5?) 3.73 and most if not all with
posi.  The Buick Grand Nationals have the strongest rear end put into a
G-body (8.5) and have 3.42 gears.  Not all GN's came with posi.  A great
combo would be finding a TH200R4 and rear end out of a wrecked GN (if you
can find one).  The GN tranny's had special valve bodies and some parts were
more heavy duty than the Monte Carlo SS.  Could probably check the turbo
trader on the GN web site.  I do believe that they will all fit in a
Cutlass.  The '83-'84 Hurst Olds and I think the 442's had (7.5?) 3.73 posi.
My '79 H/O had an open 2.73 (7.5) rear end.  3.73 gears without over drive
does suck on the highway.  Great around town though.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:41:51 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: 67 Chrome

> Question, what diffrenece..... if any, is there between the chrome moldings 
on
> a 67 cutlass and a cutlass supreme?? i need to know because my 67 cutlass is
> missing most of the side moldings but we have a 67 cutlass supreme parts car
> that has all the moldings. so are they the same or what??? Thanks

Brent,

I can't speak for all the molding differences, but I believe the Supremes
have wider door and rear window moldings.  Mine does, anyway.  And this affects
the style window weatherstripping to purchase when you replace 'em.  The
first set I ordered didn't fit, as it was for the thin stainless molding.

Also, I'm not sure if the non-Supreme Cutlass has the lower body moldings
running the length of the car.

I don't think there are any other differences chrome-wise between the Supreme
and non-Supreme for '67, other than the rear bumper & back-up light 
assemblies.

But I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
- ------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:42:40 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1990's Cutlass convertible

List members,
  I am thinking about purchasing a 1995 Cutlass convertibe that has been
traded in on a new Olds.  If you own a 1990's Cutlass convertible,
please e-mail me privately.  I would like to talk to an owner and get
some opinions about these convertibles.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:51:54 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem 
e)...
<long>

>I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the G-body Monte
>Carlo SS and Buick Grand National Rears will work in your car. Of course
>the G-body Hurst Olds rear will too. If you have luck finding a 3.73 or
>3.42 rear to install in your car you my also want to swap in an
>overdrive tranny such as the TH200R4. Otherwise your engine will not
>like highway driving.

Oh, I forgot to say that I just found a posi unit and bought some Richmond
gears for the stock rear end already in my H/O.  I've had great luck with
7.5 rear ends holding up but I wasn't running more than 400 horse power
either.  If you leave it a one wheeler the rear end will go out fast because
those spider gears like to shatter.  Been there, done that.  I have had the
best luck with Richmond gears for being the quietest.  Had a set of Strange
gears and it was noisy even though they were setup right.  Went back to
Richmonds and all is quiet. The 7.5 rear end axles do look like tooth picks
though. :P

Just my $.02.
Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."



	----------
	From:  Chad Schwartz
	Sent:  Friday, July 31, 1998 1:43 PM
	To:  'Oldsmobile Digest'
	Subject:  RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass
Suprem e)... <long>

	>I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the G-body Monte
	>Carlo SS and Buick Grand National Rears will work in your car. Of
course
	>the G-body Hurst Olds rear will too. If you have luck finding a
3.73 or
	>3.42 rear to install in your car you my also want to swap in an
	>overdrive tranny such as the TH200R4. Otherwise your engine will
not
	>like highway driving.

	I believe the Monte Carlo SS cars had (7.5?) 3.73 and most if not
all with posi.  The Buick Grand Nationals have the strongest rear end put
into a G-body (8.5) and have 3.42 gears.  Not all GN's came with posi.  A
great combo would be finding a TH200R4 and rear end out of a wrecked GN (if
you can find one).  The GN tranny's had special valve bodies and some parts
were more heavy duty than the Monte Carlo SS.  Could probably check the
turbo trader on the GN web site.  I do believe that they will all fit in a
Cutlass.  The '83-'84 Hurst Olds and I think the 442's had (7.5?) 3.73 posi.
My '79 H/O had an open 2.73 (7.5) rear end.  3.73 gears without over drive
does suck on the highway.  Great around town though.

	Chad Schwartz
	chads@pcsco.com
	mIRC: ROCKN6
	Denison, IA
	'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC
Chip,
				 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test
Pipe, ATR Ram Air)
	'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

	"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."
	

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:48:05 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response please}

Hello, all.
I am going tomorrow to buy a 1971 Cutlass , in share mode, I will be
taking only a few small things, as the car has seen a hard life, and few
things on it are better than what I have.  The hood has Two
chrome-grille looking things on it, close to the windshield??  My other
hood doesn't have them, and I don't know what this signifies!  I can get
the hood if I want, but what do those fake-grill looking things
indicate, as they don't actually alow air passage?

Also, it is a 1971 with front-disc brakes, is it worth it to take them
off this car, or would a 1975 Cutlass work (I already have a stripped
one of these).

As well, any other suggestions as to what I may want to keep?  It's a
350 in rough-shape + Turbo 350, 3core rad (Pink antifreeze, not a good
sign for Mr. tranny} The interiro is Black / White, exterior yellow,
interior is rough, but there's a couple pieces I think I could use.  It
has a cheapo tach on the extreme-right of the instrument panel??  What
kind of Cutlass might this be?

The wheels are Mags (I wish they'd have left the ralley's on), but I'm
keeping them for re-sale, they are actually a nice-set of mags, if you
like that kind of thing {Wide + tall on back, skinny and short on the
front, kind of a turbine design)

I think I'll want the carb, as all my Carb's I have are 1974-1975
Models, and I think a 971 would probably function better on a non-egr
rebuilt-like 1971 455??


Please reply soon, as I'm going tomorrow to get the car, but I will
likely own it for a week or two before the other guy takes what's left
as a long-time-from now project...

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/gobstop.shtml  <--  Car that parts will go
to.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:08:31 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem 
e)...
<long>

	>>	I believe the Monte Carlo SS cars had (7.5?) 3.73 and
most if not all with
	>>	posi.  The Buick Grand Nationals have the strongest rear
end put into a
     >>	G-body (8.5) and have 3.42 gears.

Chad,
Aside from the different rear sizes (7.5, 8.5 etc.) aren't the complete
rears from G-bodies direct bolt-ins?? In other words, if I were to find
a junk yard G-Body Monte SS or GN and yank the whole rearend (brakes and
all), wouls it bolt directly into my 1984 Cutlass??

TIA, S.G. Weaver



> ----------
> From: 	Chad Schwartz[SMTP:ChadS@pcsco.com]
> Sent: 	Friday, July 31, 1998 2:43 PM
> To: 	'Oldsmobile Digest'
> Subject: 	RE: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985
> Cutlass Suprem e)... <long>
>
> >I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the G-body Monte
> >Carlo SS and Buick Grand National Rears will work in your car. Of
> course
> >the G-body Hurst Olds rear will too. If you have luck finding a 3.73
> or
> >3.42 rear to install in your car you my also want to swap in an
> >overdrive tranny such as the TH200R4. Otherwise your engine will not
> >like highway driving.
>
> Not all GN's came with posi.  A great
> combo would be finding a TH200R4 and rear end out of a wrecked GN (if
> you
> can find one).  The GN tranny's had special valve bodies and some
> parts were
> more heavy duty than the Monte Carlo SS.  Could probably check the
> turbo
> trader on the GN web site.  I do believe that they will all fit in a
> Cutlass.  The '83-'84 Hurst Olds and I think the 442's had (7.5?) 3.73
> posi.
> My '79 H/O had an open 2.73 (7.5) rear end.  3.73 gears without over
> drive
> does suck on the highway.  Great around town though.
>
> Chad Schwartz
> chads@pcsco.com
> mIRC: ROCKN6
> Denison, IA
> '87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
> 			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe,
> ATR
> Ram Air)
> '79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)
>
> "Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:04:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response please}

Also, it is a 1971 with front-disc brakes, is it worth it to take them
off this car, or would a 1975 Cutlass work (I already have a stripped
one of these).
________________

The 75 spindles will not fit on your 71 correctly (or safely) without the
custom upper and lower ball joints available from Hotchkis or Global West,
as the tapers on the ball joint studs are different.  Get the disc brake
setup from the 71 parts car to swap on to yours instead, as this is a
bolt-on.  Be sure to get the lines, master cylinder,
proportioning/combination valve, and frame brackets for the front caliper
hoses in addition to the spindles/rotors/calipers/master cylinder.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:24:07 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Jackass Driver Registry

Not really Olds related,  unless of course you see yourself listing in
this registry. Excellent site to vent one's anger when operating on
the open roads of America..!!!  To make it Olds related, I have found
many drivers listed here driving Olds..!!

                             Check out.........

             http://digicentric.ml.org/jackass/

Some of these people really vent their ire.

Mike...........

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:21:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: catolog parts

At 01:34 PM 7/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>does any one know where I can get a catolog for olds parts and accessories
for
>like 80 through 85 cutlass supreme's I have plenty for 64-77 I just cant find
>any for later models TIA       Rich
>81,82,85 cutlass supreme
>

you will probably have to go with general mail-order catalogs
like JC-Whitney. Lots of people say they sell crap, but I've allways had
good luck
with them. Just got a blower motor  for a 78 cutlass with AC from them.


http://www.jcwhitneyusa.com
or
call 312-431-6102

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:59:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: catolog parts

If you find one, please drop me a line.

Thanks,



At 01:34 PM 7/31/98 EDT, you wrote:
>does any one know where I can get a catolog for olds parts and accessories for
>like 80 through 85 cutlass supreme's I have plenty for 64-77 I just cant find
>any for later models TIA       Rich
>81,82,85 cutlass supreme
>
>
C. Casteel
earthsci@usit.net
(931) 645-8008

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:19:08 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Brakes really squishy (72 98)

Hi list, I've got a 72 98, power brakes (front disc), and I was driving
one day and I noticed the brakes got really squishy.  A week later , I
bled them, and they were better for a drive or two, then they got
squishy again.  Neither time were they low on fluid??  I'm guessing that
air must be getting in somewhere, could it be the master cylinder?  Do
they make new ones of these, or should a guy go for used??

Would a 1974-1976 Full-sized Olds be the same as 1972, Because I have
lots of those for free??

Is there any other place to look for the problem (I don't see ANY
leaks)??

Thanx

Eric

http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/biggreen.shtml  <-- Car in question

PS: Please cc Rosi@dlcwest.com if you can
that's mailto: rosi@dlcwest.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:32:37 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: power locks Working

cleaned the contacts my power locks work great thaks for your help  Rich
81,82,85 cutlass

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:08:18 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Don't know what to call it.

Need badly, a guard that goes on the a/cond compressor, front end, right
side,( left if looking from the front). It attaches to the mounting bolt
and to the compressor. Keeps the suction line from touching the clutch and
belt. Made of a piece of cheap stamped sheet metal. Mine
is cracked and ready to go. Almost half moon shaped, attaches with two
bolts. This is for a 75 CS w/olds 350 engine if that makes a difference.
Mail me direct if anyone has one or knows where to find one. Kind of a
strange item to find. Thanks in advance,
Lou Biggs  lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:36:35 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: New Olsmobilia purchase

I've had the model for quite a while now. It wasn't that hard to get when I
got it, is it that rare now?  (Hurst Hairy Olds w/ twin 455's)

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:39:39 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobilia Question

Visor mirror - with 2 clips that slide over visor to hold in place - old
Olds crest logo in center, art deco style lines across the top of the
mirror - with space to write notations for 'spark plugs' 'oil change'
'battery' and 3 or 4 other maintenance functions down each side.  De Luxe
noted on bottom in script lettering (small).   Anyone have an idea how old
this possibly is?  I bought it cause it was cool looking, but curious how
old it might be.

^   Snip   ^


One went on the e-Bay auction the other day for abot 20.00 I think, but I
don't remember the year it was made.

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:46:26 EDT
From: <JuGgaLo893@aol.com>
Subject: bugs in the HEI?????

  Ok my problem is this, when my car gets hot it backfires through the carb
and exhaust, chugs if i put the pedal down more than a hair, and dies but when
it gets cool its fine.Could this be the control module? If not then what? I
cant figure it out.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:48:57 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Police Chases 3

Watched this on fox last night and about an 84 or 85 cutlass put up one hell
of a fight.  Looked very similar to mine....except it must have had a bigger
motor than mine because it sure displayed  some power.  (Mine with the weak
@ss V-6)  The chase went on for quite a while, went air-born, drove over a
corner traffic light,  took a lickin' kept on tickin'   (grin)

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:15:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Paul Brillhart <u17058@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: interchangeability of 66-67 and 69

Smetana, Christopher wrote:
> Ahh, guess I wasn't being clear and assuming you knew what I was talking
> about.  But this definately clears things up.  Thanks
> >
Chris,

Swapping a rear axleform a '66 into a '65, I discovered that the female
inlet on the brake fluid block located on top of the pumpkin was a
different thread size.  Don't force off the block, use a thread
adaptor.  Also remember to use spring mounting pads of the same year as
the coils you're using.  One year has a tighter bottom coil than the
other.  Tops don't matter, they're the same.  Also, the '66 and '67
boxed control arms are fully boxed as opposed to the partially boxed
'65's.  It makes a difference in durability, if you can, use the later
arms.  Later.

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:49:23 -0400
From: Shawn <shawno22@erols.com>
Subject: Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme

Haven't really asked to many questions since joining this list because I am
not a mechanic nor even remotely good with tools, cars, engines, etc...
Anyway, I have a 1984 Cutlass Supreme which is in pretty good shape, except
for the doors which are rotting out on the bottoms, and an electrical
problem (so I think).  1st question: Other than searching a junkyard for a
used set of doors, is there another way to get doors for the car?  I will
be getting it painted as soon as I replace the doors.  2nd question: when
driving, my car has a habit of idling very high even though I am coming to
a stop.  For example, I come to a stop sign and hit the brakes, but the car
is still idling high enough that, if I let off of the brakes, the car would
accelerate to about 15-20 mph.  If I tap the gas while holding the brakes,
the car will idle down properly.  I have had the choke replaced and do not
think that it is from the carburetor.  Could this be an electrical problem
from the engine computer sensors?  If so, is it easily fixable?  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.  Oh, BTW, for tech purposes, the engine is a
standard V6.

Thanks,

Shawn
Software Support
Computer Sales & Service For Less
Shawn McCollum
(609) 764-6572
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:10:09 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Diesel Cutlass

I know I've been asking a bunch of questions about diesels lately, and I
apologize. However, since I STILL have not got the car, here comes another : )
I hope this doesn't start a rush to the wrecking yards! If Olds G-Body diesels
used TRUE dual exhaust, wouldn't that necessitate a DUAL HUMP crossmember?
There really is no other way I can think of unless they crossed the exhaust
over before the trans. crossmember. Anyone? Thanks as always, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:14:04 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 75 olds Omega

cecilia laughton wrote:
>
> Omegas---it seems they are the stepchildren of the Oldsmobile family. I
> don't hear much about them here or anywhere else. I acquired a nice '75 baby
> blue one, or is it sky blue?

Uhh, actually it's Horizon Blue.

> 2-door sedan

Is it a Salon?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:35:03 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: bugs in the HEI?????

My '86 442 just started doing something very similar..!! I made it
home with these problems and haven't had it out since. Would bad plug
wires do this and would it start just all of a sudden??? The car has
been running like a sewing machine up until the other day..No warning
of pending problems..!! Help.!!!!!

Mike...........


>   Ok my problem is this, when my car gets hot it backfires through the carb
> and exhaust, chugs if i put the pedal down more than a hair, and dies but 
when
> it gets cool its fine.Could this be the control module? If not then what? I
> cant figure it out.
>
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:35:19 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobilia Question

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I'm trying to date the following item I found today:
>
> Visor mirror
> Anyone have an idea how old
> this possibly is?  I bought it cause it was cool looking, but curious how
> old it might be.

Lisa,

I have one of these, too.  I liberated it number of years ago from a '47
70 Series Club Sedan, so it is at least that old.  Pre-War Oldsmobile
visor mirrors had a thermometer in them as well.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme

- ---Shawn <shawno22@erols.com> wrote:
  1st question: Other than searching a junkyard for a
> used set of doors, is there another way to get doors for the car?

Not much other options there,word of advice...take a BIG friend with
you...these doors are HEAVY as hell!!

  2nd question: when driving, my car has a habit of idling very high
even though I am coming to a stop. If I tap the gas while holding the
brakes, the car will idle down properly.

Check your choke connection,mines tied into the oil pressure switch,(a
%#@&)$ to get to.),Mine did that and the wire was fried due to it's
proximity to the block.,new wire ,all fixed!!
   Anybody else have some input?

        John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Police Chases 3

- ---MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>
> Watched this on fox last night and about an 84 or 85 cutlass put up
one hell
> of a fight. The chase went on for quite a while, went air-born,

YEE-HAA


 drove over a corner traffic light

Now that hurt,For some reason,kept hoping this guy would lose'em!!!!!

John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:41:06 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 65 Convertible Top Switch 4 Sale

have for sale 1 convertible top switch from a 1965 convertible. $75 and ill
pay shipping. im offering it up here befor i put it on 442.com cause i know
these are hard to find if you are looking for one. if you want it mail me
privately....Thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:49:55 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: G-body rear

Message text written by S.G. Weaver
>I believe (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) the G-body Monte
Carlo SS and Buick Grand National Rears will work in your car. Of course
the G-body Hurst Olds rear will too. If you have luck finding a 3.73 or
3.42 rear to install in your car you my<

The Monte Carlo SS has a 3.73 rear but it is only a 7-5/8 ring gear.  The
Grand National has the 8-1/2 ring gear but only a 3.42 ratio.  The 83-84
Hurst and the 85-87 442 has the 8-1/2 rear with the 3.73 ration - the most
desirable but also the rarest.  If you don't go too big with the engine the
Monte 7-5/8 rear will work and it is easier ot find.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442   '95 Grand Prix

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:40:02 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: black cat run

Anybody see the movie on HBO tonite?? THe good guy drives a Midnight
Blue 70 442, and he chases the bad guy in a red Ch*velle....

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:04:15 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Few Questions On 1984 Cutlass Supreme

my 85 cutlass had the same problems with the doors went to junk yards to all
of them rusted out if you go to a dealership they want a little over $1000 a
piece for them needless to say I told the the guy to go @%^&*( himself thats a
bit much but the only place that i found that actually had them was in the
classified ads but they still had a little rust but i got lucky just bought an
82 cutlass and the frame and body/doors are in mint condition no rust at all
so I just didnt have to worry bout the doors no more but a while ago a guy at
a body shop told me he sand the rust off use alot of bondo and tac the outer
skins to the door oh and some sheet metal "way to much trouble but for the
idle problem i have them same problem with mine so i am putting a 350 olds in
it but thats just me i guess that really doesnt help much but it makes me
happy          well good luck with your car       Rich
81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:07:43 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: black cat run

yes,i just finished watching it and ive been waiting a week and a half ago. y
some of u guys write stupid things like ch*velle,or ch*vy, ?? whats the big
idea,ohh i own a 64 cutlass and i love oldsmobile cars ,also love chevy and i
like mopar,and list continues..........

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:26:13 -0300
From: mfatzii@aol.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#23258764: old OLDSMOBILE VISOR
MIRROR-w/REMINDERS!

sorry to post to the whole list......somebody was curious about this item.


Ryan

Title of item:	old OLDSMOBILE VISOR MIRROR-w/REMINDERS!
Seller:	ebitter@att.net
Starts:	07/28/98 21:59:28 PDT
Ends:	08/04/98 21:59:28 PDT
Price:	Starts at $9.95
To bid the item, go
to:	http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23258764


Item Description:		
	4INCHES BY 8 INCHES MIRROR HAS OLD GOLD OLDSMOBILE INSIGNIA AT TOP AND 
SAYS
DELUXE ON THE BOTTOM. IT ALSO HAS REMINDER RECTANGLES FOR BATTERY,CHANGE
OIL,LUBRICATION,SPARK PLUGS,TUNE MOTOR,MILEAGE. LOOKS TO BE 30s OR 40s. DOES
HAVE CLIP MARKS AND MINOR SPOTTING. buyer to prepay and add 5.00 shipping

	Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at
http://www.ebay.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:27:47 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel Cutlass

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
> I know I've been asking a bunch of questions about diesels lately, and I
> apologize. However, since I STILL have not got the car, here comes another : 
)
> I hope this doesn't start a rush to the wrecking yards! If Olds G-Body 
diesels
> used TRUE dual exhaust, wouldn't that necessitate a DUAL HUMP crossmember?
> There really is no other way I can think of unless they crossed the exhaust
> over before the trans. crossmember. Anyone? Thanks as always, Dorian

According to the '83 Shop Manual, Cutlass diesels didn't have true dual
exhaust.  They used a muffler with twin outlets.  Sorry.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:29:44 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Hood {Quick response please}

Eric wrote:
>
> Hello, all.
> I am going tomorrow to buy a 1971 Cutlass , in share mode, I will be
> taking only a few small things, as the car has seen a hard life, and few
> things on it are better than what I have.  The hood has Two
> chrome-grille looking things on it, close to the windshield??  My other
> hood doesn't have them, and I don't know what this signifies!  I can get
> the hood if I want, but what do those fake-grill looking things
> indicate, as they don't actually alow air passage?

I believe this is a Cutlass S or 442 feature (at least it was in '72).
Decorative only.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:41:21 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Cutlass

In a message dated 98-07-31 23:28:31 EDT, you write:

<< According to the '83 Shop Manual, Cutlass diesels didn't have true dual
 exhaust.  They used a muffler with twin outlets.  Sorry.

 Paul >>


Doh! There goes my great idea! I can't believe on a diesel they would have run
false dual exhaust..what the heck is the point? They couldn't need back
pressure, and they wern't race cars! Oh well, thanks for crushing my hopes
Paul : )   Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:41:44 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Omegas and 75-80 Starfires

Cecilia,

I know what you mean about your car being one of the "forgotten" ones.  My
everyday driver is a 1980 Starfire GT, a clone of the C-word Monza.  Although
it'll never replace any of the other Oldsmobiles I have, this little bugger
has found a soft spot in my heart [or is that my head? :-)] and it is sorta
convenient -- it will haul some of the interior sheet metal to the shop where
the panels are being fabricated tomorrow.  And it has done fabulously in it's
role of tire hauler for the SCCA autocross car, now that it's been "retired"
from racing duty.

If I hadn't found the Starfire when I did, my second choice was to look for an
Omega with a hatchback.  I remember them when they were brand new, as my mom
worked for the local Olds dealer.  They looked better than the other
"X"-bodies then, and they still do.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/index.htm">Welcome To Ken Snyder
Racing @ America Online!</A>

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:43:05 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile History Center

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> Send it to me again too, since the strike is over, she may be able to
> reply sooner..!!

Helen's lack of assistance has nothing to do with the strike.  She made
a very informative speech at the OCA awards banquet earlier this month.
The history center has been moved.  The movers were to come and start
moving items on July 20th.  These items have been moved to a building
across the street from the Lansing Center in Lansing.  This site is not
yet ready for occupancy.  Helen estimates that they won't be operational
again until at least Jan 2, 1999.  However, she has stated that she will
still be forwarding mail and will try and do as much research at home as
she possibly can.

The history center had to move because Oldsmobile has evidently given up
it's lease on the property and a new tenant was taking ownership.  The
arrangements for their new facility were made by the Lansing Chamber of
Commerce (I think).  It was even suggested that the name might be
changed to something like the Oldsmobile Heritage Center.

From the information that Helen gave, I got the message that Oldsmobile
pulled the plug on the History center and the Chamber of Commerce has
picked up the tab in an effort the keep the Oldsmobile name associated
with Lansing.  Helen did not state this directly.  This is just the
feeling I got from what she has stated.  If anyone has information
contrary to this, I'd be glad to hear it.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:50:43 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel Cutlass

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

> Doh! There goes my great idea! I can't believe on a diesel they would have 
run
> false dual exhaust..what the heck is the point? They couldn't need back
> pressure, and they wern't race cars! Oh well, thanks for crushing my hopes
> Paul : )   Dorian

I don't understand this either.  We had an '81 Cutlass Diesel.  I always
thought it was neat that it had duals (I was all of 13 at the time).
'Course, I never actually crawled under there to see what duals
consisted of.  The shop manual shows a single, dual outlet muffler.

But the 88s, 98s and Toronado diesels didn't have duals.  They had a
single pipe.  We just traded an '81 98 Regency Diesel where I work (been
thinking of buying it) and it only has a single pipe.

Now, the shop manual says this:

Certain models of the 88-98 and Toronado have restrictions built into
the exhaust system...  ...These restrictions are necessary to insure
proper operation of the EGR valve and care should be used in selecting
the proper replacement parts.

Must be an EGR thing.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:55:48 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: more diesel exhaust questions...

Paul, I accidently deleted your last message. Could you please e-mail it
direct to me? Thanks, Dorian

PS I apologize for posting this in advance : )

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: cecilia laughton <laughton@silcom.com>
Subject: 75 Omega re: Paul's Question

Paul,
Unfortunately not a Salon, which I believe was a more luxury edition of the
Olds. According to the VIn# and the digit that designates the model, it is a
Std, which I assume, translates to a commom everday, "standard" Olds. The
color, Blue Horizon, it must be a bit rare. I don't recall seeing any Olds
or GM cars on the road of that vintage with this color of blue. I'm reaching
to find something unique about this car, as you can tell. Is it not true,
that the Buick long block, is what they refer to as "soft", meaning not as
durable as the Olds engine?

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:14:43 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's Question

cecilia laughton wrote:
>
> I'm reaching
> to find something unique about this car, as you can tell.

Well, I can tell you they only built 15,979 of them, 'course that
includes the F-85 model, too.

> Is it not true,
> that the Buick long block, is what they refer to as "soft", meaning not as
> durable as the Olds engine?

Can't comment on that, don't know enough about this area, but, Buick
used to say, When better automobiles are built, Buick will build them...

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:18:27 -0400
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: Re: '77 442 stuff for sale

You wouldn't by any chance still have the grilles to that '77 442?  I
desperately need them for my '77.  I'd also take '76 grilles.  How good of
condition is your front and rear bumpers if you still have them?

Thanks for the help,

Chris Kugler
talcarol@erie.net

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:06:32 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: BACK IN THE RANKS

Ladies & Gentelmen, Boys & Girls, Children of all ages...I am once again
the proud owner of an Oldsmobile!

Bought it today from a couple who live here in the Heights (they were the
second owner, after Grandma Jones who drove it mostly to Alabama and back);
it was the wife's car.  1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Brougham 4-door,
140k.  Maroon exterior, maroon interior (drastic, but not too bad), all
four of the really nice spoked hubcaps with the big Rocket insignia, 5.0
liter V8 (I assume this is the 307?), COLD air, ps, pw, pdl, original spare
and jack...best part is the new parts on it (and I have all the receipts):
new radiator, new ps pump, new alternator, new compressor, new starter, new
exhaust (from the manifolds back), new headliner, and new (rebuilt) TH-350
(which replaced the stock (and broken) TH-200 stock tranny.

Original paint is starting to fade, some of the insignia script is missing,
and that plastic crap that they put to fill the gap between the bottom of
the trunk and the bumper is almost all rotted out (this is appearantly the
same stuff they put in to join the quarters and taillights of 80's Caddys)
but that's OK, becuase this is just the driver.  It will be the driver
until I find the appropriate candidate to spend the proceeds from the sale
of my Firechicken on (1969 442 convertible).

Total cost of this grand purchase?  "How much" you ask?  Guy wanted $1200,
I gave him $1000.

This is not quite the duplicate of my first car which I had wanted, most
notably because this is a red on red four door sedan and my first car was a
white on blue 2-door coupe, but it will definately do.

By the way, anyone intersted in a 1994 Firechicken?  52k, T-Tops, 3.4L V6,
Borg-Werner T-5, Flowmaster, Chameleon Green exterior with gray cloth
interior?  E-mail me privately if you're interested.  It would make a nice
first car for someone's son or daughter, or a nice semi-convertible to go
out in for anyone.

I must say that I am very pleased with my purchase; I'll probably be
driving it up to Austin tomorrow for some business that I have there.
That's the great thing about these cars...they'll run FOREVER.

Happy Oldsmobiling!

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:00:03 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Transmission ID Code

Flynt

        It should be a OD code TH400 if the car had a 455 in it.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:33:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: cecilia laughton <laughton@silcom.com>
Subject: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment

Isn't that interesting. Not many Omegas and F-85s built in that year--a
decline in the popularity of the X body in general because of the previous
gas shortage or just in that model? I'm wondering how the Nova, the Skylark,
and the Ventura (or was it the Phoenix?) fared out in that time frame?

Cecilia Laughton

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:32:39 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobilia Question

Thanks for the assistance -


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
http://exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:41:40 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass 
Supreme)...
<long>

Chris'
I am about 98% done with the restoration of my 83 H/O. The one thing that i
can tell you is it will take big bucks to dup an H/O.The 4spd Rods are
virtualy non existant, 8yrs ago Olds wanted upwards of $700. for just the
shifter alone! and that was only providing you had the title with vin # as
proof of ownership of an H/O. Anybody that has a set is either using them or
saving them for just the right car with an 4spd auto tranny. I have an extra
set but I'd sooner donate a kidney then part with them!! The Lightening Rod
shifter conversion and installation also requires some "one of a kind"
brackets and cables.
       As far as the engine swap all Olds V8's will bolt in without difficulty
. They all visually look identical. Alot of the differences are internal. From
what I know they all are about the same wieght , so suspension mods you want
should be based on handling rather than curb wieght.
       A 4spd auto trans and 3:08 thru 3:73 rear (your choice) will give you
plenty to smile about off the line and at the gas pump.
       The 14" stock tires on your Olds and the 15" stock tires of the H/O&442
are believe it or not the same hieght, it has to do with the profile and tire
formula.
The bolt patterns are the same 5 on 4-3/4".

Hope this sheds some light on your dream project,
Good luck,
John
JJP442@aol.com
83 H/O
87 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: mirror

lisa,  i have a few of the mirrors you described,  mine are used in my 47
and one car came with one on the visor.  i have one that is the same
except no maintenance areas, just the olds logo and is on the passenger
visor. i have seen individual ones go from $3-50.00 each depending on
condition.  very nice additions to your olds,

47rocket98

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:25:06 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: HBO movie

Will that HBO movie air again? Was it any good?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:28:08 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Gear Oil

I have a 72 442 with the 455 and a Chevy 12 Bolt rear. I put some
heavyweight gear oil in the differential. This can't hurt it, right?? The
bottle said it was for a limited slip heavy duty applications... I always
thought the thicker oil would  be better because with all that torque the
oil will thin out if its lightweight gear oil.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:35:50 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Thinking about some G-body modifications (1985 Cutlass Suprem 
e)...
<long>

In a message dated 98-07-31 15:11:43 EDT, you write:

<< Aside from the different rear sizes (7.5, 8.5 etc.) aren't the complete
 rears from G-bodies direct bolt-ins?? In other words, if I were to find
 a junk yard G-Body Monte SS or GN and yank the whole rearend (brakes and
 all), wouls it bolt directly into my 1984 Cutlass?? >>

unless you can find a posi rear out of a '85-'87 monte ss, i would just buy a
posi carrier and some gears for your present rear.  you can get the carrier
from slp for about $75, and gears run about $120 or so.  the monte rears will
safely handle up to around 400hp, i think.  im running my stock 2.29 7.5" rear
in my '78 cutlass and its taking all of my 300hp with no problems after 20,000
miles.  (the rear has 140,000 miles on it, and the 350 has 20,000 on it now.)
a posi monte rear will run about $150 or more, while any 8.5" rear posi or no
will be WAY more.  probly $300 or more.  good luck
jeremy

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:57:52 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: bugs in the HEI?????

JuGgaLo893@aol.com wrote:
>
>   Ok my problem is this, when my car gets hot it backfires through the carb
> and exhaust, chugs if i put the pedal down more than a hair, and dies but 
when
> it gets cool its fine.Could this be the control module? If not then what? I
> cant figure it out.

What year is it?  Or more importanly, is it computer or non-computer
controlled?  If it's computer controlled there's a chance the computer
isn't advancing the timing for whatever reason.  It's just a theory,
I've never experienced it so I'm not sure it would cause your problems.
Either way many parts stores will test the module for you.  Fer
instance, Advance Auto or Autozone.  New modules for a non-computer HEI
are around $13, dunno about computer-controlled modules.

Have you checked the timing?  If not it's worth a look.

How old (how many miles) is the distributor?  I've had a worn out points
distributor cause all kinds of headaches on my Vista Cruiser.  The
bushings were shot and the car generally ran like crap 'till I replaced
the distributor.

Hope I was of some help.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:00:28 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 80 Olds 350 running rough

In a message dated 98-07-29 23:19:03 EDT, you write:

<<  Before I painted the motor it ran smooth.  >>

Umm.

Sounds similar to the "My Olds is Shaking" thread.

Let me ask a silly question.

What paint did you use, and what did you paint?

A 1980 350 W-30....is this with HEI, EGR, AIR, ESP.....?

(That is when your car can MAKE you wash it!)

Paint typically uses a "delivery" component which evaporates when the paint
cures. Typically something in the toluene or methyl-ethyl ketone family.
Most of these do not play nice with some plastics.
But the vapors are not likey to do much damage.

Is it possible that the paint conducts electricity?

The last shaking prob was combustion-related (dwell off).

Just a thought.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:00:28 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Expenditures was: great day junqueyard

In a message dated 98-07-27 12:02:53 EDT, you write:

<<  So for the grand sum of $100 I feel I did very well.  >>

My personal experience is that the more you get, the better the price.

Especially if you either;

1) Know the owner.

2) Are obiously repeat buisiness.

3) Engage in commiseration circumstances.

For #3, consult the (recent) archives for the illustration of our host's (Greg
B.) search for seat belt housings. (seat belts?)

In any event, please do not;

1) infuriate the owner.

2) damage auto parts you are personally uninterested in.

3) Fail to mention to other enthusiasts (this list) if you find good stuff
that you do not see yourself using anytime. While I can respect others saving
goodyarde finds for themselves, I (and others) would appreciate it greatly if
you would take notse on more unusual finds and be wiling to share if others
profess a need.

Who knows, you may put yourself in a position, courtesy of the yarde owner, to
make money by sending certain parts to someone in need.

My personal favorite was scoring a map light and part of the wire harness, the
correct fan shroud, and a bumper jack base (year uncertain, but was
appropriate spare tie down AND color coordinated to my vehicle!) for....



$20


You cannot beat that with a sharp stick in the eye!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 02:10:59 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Diesel Cutlass

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Doh! There goes my great idea! I can't believe on a diesel they would have
run > > false dual exhaust..what the heck is the point? They couldn't need 
back >
> pressure, and they wern't race cars! Oh well, thanks for crushing my hopes > 
>
Paul : )   Dorian > > I don't understand this either.  We had an '81 Cutlass
Diesel.  I always > thought it was neat that it had duals (I was all of 13 at
the time). > 'Course, I never actually crawled under there to see what duals >
consisted of.  The shop manual shows a single, dual outlet muffler.

I'll bet their biggest consideration in making fake duals was the maybe
$5 they saved per unit by leaving out that extra legnth of pipe when
they were manufacturing the cars.  Funny though, my dad's chevy truck
with the olds diesel had true duals.  I understand that the purpose of
the dual exhaust on the diesel cars was just for looks.  The black smoke
didn't look so bad when it was pouring out of two pipes.  I'll bet it
made it easier to keep the car clean too.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cultass Calais

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:09:03 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: OPC Racing This Weekend

In a message dated 98-07-30 23:02:57 EDT, you write:

<< The main ones...batteries tied down...seat belts...long pants..radiator
overflow catch cans... 13 second machines=drive shaft loop....12
seconds=helmet. >>

13 secs = driveshaft loop

not heard this'un

Oh, a loop to catch a *dropped* driveshaft?

Right?

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:18:26 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Cutlass

In a message dated 98-08-01 03:03:51 EDT, you write:

<< I'll bet their biggest consideration in making fake duals was the maybe
 $5 they saved per unit by leaving out that extra legnth of pipe when
 they were manufacturing the cars.  Funny though, my dad's chevy truck
 with the olds diesel had true duals.  I understand that the purpose of
 the dual exhaust on the diesel cars was just for looks.  The black smoke
 didn't look so bad when it was pouring out of two pipes.  I'll bet it
 made it easier to keep the car clean too.

 Greg Pruett
 72 Vista Cruiser >>


Greg,
      Someone on here said that their diesel had FACTORY single outlet exhaust
manifolds. If thats true, there is no way GM could EVER justify using single
to duals on the diesels, as the gas engines supposedly used the same exhaust
manifold pattern. Why wouldn't they use the same crossover pipe as all other
post musclecar Olds? : ) And not only that, they would have had to use a y-
pipe ala Chevy. Not saying GM wasn't stupid enough to do it, just want to see
if they actually did. Guess I just have to look this car over real well when I
get it. I believe it's an '82.  Dorian

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:19:26 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: need dipstick help

thanks,got it out,all's well now....thanks to all who  helpedw/ da problem.
w31sleeper@aol.com   rob

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 02:31:21 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: OPC Racing This Weekend

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> 13 secs = driveshaft loop
>
> not heard this'un
>
> Oh, a loop to catch a *dropped* driveshaft?
>
> Right?

Yup.  It's not unheard of to break a U-joint and lose yer driveshaft.  A
dropped driveshaft can be a real pain as you might imagine.  'Specially
if you break the front u-joint and the driveshaft is still attatched at
the rearend.  Can damage the car and the track, and could cause you to
lose control.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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