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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 10 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1302



Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????
Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????
83-87 Hurst/442 exhaust hangers
Re: Octane for 455
Re: Octane for 455
(no subject)
REMOVE
Anything for a '72 Cutlass
Lansing Home coming?
Re: Lansing Home coming?
Re: gauges..
Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442
Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442
79 98 Questions
Re: 1987 Cutlass Figures
Re: 87 Cutlass Production #'s
Re: Ciera GT's
Re: 83-87 Hurst/442 exhaust hangers
Gas Pedal 56 Olds
Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????
Parts...
70 442 project?
1956  Olds 4 dr. sedan
RE: gauges..
Re: Anyone going to the B.O.P. Show in the Cleveland area June 14th
Painting in Chicago
1968 Olds 98 Regency Convertible
Re: Anyone going to the B.O.P. Show in the Cleveland area June 14th
Re: first time out
conv. top replacement
Springs and Shocks
Got my switch pitch TH400 shorty
Re: cruise control
'Nother Padnos find
Re: 1987 Cutlass Figures
Re: conv. top replacement
Wtd: 68 Cs Pwr Ant mast
RE: gauges..
Re: 79 98 Questions
Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????
Re: Letters needed for 65 Olds + letter humor
Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442
Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442
RE: switch under back plate
Re: 79 98 Questions
Re: Lansing Home coming?
Re: first time out
Re: gauges..
RE: gauges..
Supreme Convertibles (or not)
Olds Lansing Video Info.
Re: 79 Ninety Eight Regency
Where to put the radio?
82 olds firenza
Conv. top replacement
RE: gauges..
Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????
Hood insulation
bikerbabe3@juno.com (Linda B Pulli): Lowe Daisy  <lowed@lewis.army.mil>: FW:
Warning radio Rear Discs 68 442 or My Heavy Foot Radio Install Re: Hood
insulation

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:55:05 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????

> First, for safety's sake, please, PLEASE, _NEVER_ get under a car
> supported only by  a jack.  Period.

Hear, hear. And the J-type jack was so bad that it wasn't even safe
for the _car_, let alone the owner; I saw several that would twist the
bumpers they were supposed to lift, as described here. Nasty.

> Typically the "J" will have a shallow notch in it's hook end.
> This notch is intended to center the hook on the lower edge
> of the bumper bracket.

IIRC, the notch was on the lower edge of the bumper; the "J" had
a raised lip portion in the center which would fit into it. But in any
event, using it is a sure way to mess up your bumper. (And how
about that little network of tiny cracks that forms in the flexy
body-colored filler piece between bumper and body. Fun, eh?)
And for those of us in the rust belt, sometimes our old cars don't
even _have_ sturdy bumpers anymore...

One thing I discovered back when I owned an '82 Cutlass and
my then-fiance had a '78 GP: By 1982 GM had changed from
a bumper jack to a frame-lift jack. Same ratchet mechanism,
but the jack sort of lies on its back, and lifts straight up from
underneath the car by locating a button on the lifting saddle
into a hole in the frame just behind the front wheel or just in
front of the rear wheel, for lifting front or rear respectively.
Much more stable, even when the car is half-rusted.

So anyway, the '78 had the same holes in the frame. I was
able to toss the ridiculous bumper jack from the '78 and get
another 1980's-style frame-lift design from the junkyard to
replace it. Made a big difference, and even took up less
space in the trunk.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:12:31 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????

Exactly: Lifting by the bumper is just silly!
However, since a hydraulic jack is hard to get underneath a car with a
flat, and can SUCK in the mud, I've devised a new plan:

1)Weld Four Corner hooks onto frame but out of site
2)Weld / hook some chain to these hooks, and cover the chain in rubber
hose
3)Modify jack to hook into Link of chain
4)Weld Wider, more stable base to jack (Works WAY better)
5) When jacking the car, grab the chain and hook it to the jack, then
jack away!

Has anyone ever done this type of thing????
Comments / suggestions?

If not, I'll let you know on the results / usability of it.

Green, Andrew wrote:
> One thing I discovered back when I owned an '82 Cutlass and
> my then-fiance had a '78 GP: By 1982 GM had changed from
> a bumper jack to a frame-lift jack. Same ratchet mechanism,
> but the jack sort of lies on its back, and lifts straight up from
> underneath the car by locating a button on the lifting saddle
> into a hole in the frame just behind the front wheel or just in
> front of the rear wheel, for lifting front or rear respectively.
> Much more stable, even when the car is half-rusted.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:40:46 -0400
From: "Mike R." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 83-87 Hurst/442 exhaust hangers

Well, for the sake of hoping that it was the fact that no one read my
message, and not the fact that no one has any, I'm gonna ask this again.

Wanted:  tailpipe exhaust hangers for 83-87 442/Hurst.  GM Part Nos,
22520308 (right) and 22520309 (left).  Any condition, new or used,
preferably usable, but rubber doesn't have to be great.  Will pay a
reasonable sum for one or both.  If one, preferably the left side.

Hoping,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:03:19 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Octane for 455

When I took my old 70 0lds 350 heads to get beefed up the engine specialist
told me that Oldsmobile used hardened valve seat in 1970.  This means that
they could use unleaded fuel.  I hope this can help.

Keith Schulz (70 442)

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:12:11 -0400
From: "Mike R." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Octane for 455

> When I took my old 70 0lds 350 heads to get beefed up the engine specialist
> told me that Oldsmobile used hardened valve seat in 1970.  This means that
> they could use unleaded fuel.  I hope this can help.

Shouldn't be if it were a 70 model head.  Starting for the 1971 model
year, the EPA got their wish and GM started building the engines for use
with low-lead or no-lead fuel.  Oldsmobile used this as a selling point
as well in their ads, and it is WELL stated as such in the 71 GM car
lineup brochure, which by the way, introduced the VEGA....ick.  But
there was a nice picture of a Bittersweet and white 442 in there with
white vinyl top and white interior.  No W-25 but had SSIIIs.  Neat.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:29:58 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: (no subject)

In going through the nice pile of paperwork the previous owners gave me
I came across a coupon good for a free oil change. The coupon was issued
when this fine car was originally purchased. The dealer is still in
business (at a different location). I wonder if they would honor it. Or
would it be worth more if I didn't use it?
I am still wondering how to install better tuneage. The existing hole in
the dash will not accommodate anything other than the oem radio. The
other possibility is to remove the ashtray assembly and install a new cd
player there. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
Mark Hahn
mahahn@fuse.net

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:36:14 -0500
From: "Dennis Branch" <tree@datasync.com>
Subject: REMOVE

PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:45:34 PDT
From: "Keith Reese" <supakeef@hotmail.com>
Subject: Anything for a '72 Cutlass

i recently purchased a 1972 cutlass and i am in need of sume parts....at
this moment i am lookin' for grilles, interior bench-seats,hood,and a
350 rocket engine....i guess i am more like a restoration mechanic other
than a regular cutlass owner huh?well anyway i really need these parts
at a reasonable price....i live in connecticut and i have no problem
either pickin' up the parts or havin' the extra money to have the parts
mailed....
                                              I need Help,
                                                          Keef

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:47:04 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Lansing Home coming?

Isn't rh lansing Olds Homecomming this weekend?

I have not heard anything about it lately,  It it is this weekend I'll be
there.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:51:10 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Home coming?

In a message dated 98-06-09 19:49:02 EDT, you write:

<< Isn't rh lansing Olds Homecomming this weekend? >>

Nope next weekend.  June 20 Saturday

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:16:30 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: gauges..

Angel Castrodad wrote:
>
> I can help with the gauges. If I recall correctly, '84-'86 442's had 120 MPH
> speedos, at least mine does. These are the round, rally gauges indeed. I
> don't know about the Hurst/Olds but I guess so too.
>
Nope, my '86 442 only has an 85mph.  The 120's were available as a
replacement part but are long since out of stock at GM.

- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:23:23 EDT
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442

This whole thing about rear discs has me a bit perplexed.

The front discs do most of the stopping. Spend your money there. Discs on the
rear are neither easy or inexpensive to install, and WILL NOT help your
braking very much if at all.

For $30 install the larger rear drums from a '77 malibu/Cutlass onto your
axle. Easy. Cheap. Damn near a bolt-on. Simplicity. Works 99% as well as discs
for this application.

IMHO

Coupeking

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:22:35 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442

I'm not an Olds expert since I just bought one last week, but I drive
pretty hard and I frequently have brake problems with front-disc-only cars.
I put 4-wheel disc on a 240Z that I had, and the difference was
unbelievable. The problem is that the rear drums get hot and flex, so that
only the edge of the shoes are touching the drum, which makes your back
brakes not work at all. This puts all of your braking on the front discs,
which overloads them and they overheat. I had tried everything, and before
going to 4-wheel disc I had everything in the front brakes brand new -
rotors, calipers, the best full-metallic pads I could get, new hoses, even
new master cylinder and power booster, and my brakes worked great, but they
would get so hot that I was killing calipers every 2 months. When I went to
4-wheel, the problem got much better. My front calipers started lasting for
almost a year, and I noticed a definite difference in braking power. The
front brakes do most of the work, but having your back brakes not disappear
under hard use does make a difference. This only applies to wannabe racecar
drivers - if you don't drive like an absolute maniac you will never notice
the difference.

At 08:23 PM 6/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>This whole thing about rear discs has me a bit perplexed.
>
>The front discs do most of the stopping. Spend your money there. Discs on the
>rear are neither easy or inexpensive to install, and WILL NOT help your
>braking very much if at all.
>
>For $30 install the larger rear drums from a '77 malibu/Cutlass onto your
>axle. Easy. Cheap. Damn near a bolt-on. Simplicity. Works 99% as well as
discs
>for this application.
>
>IMHO
>
>Coupeking
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:18 EDT
From: <BradRoss79@aol.com>
Subject: 79 98 Questions

I got my 79 98 home yesterday and haven't started it yet, I still need to
change the oil, antifreeze and put some new gas in the tank.

I tried to put a hose down the neck of the gas tank to siphon out the stale
gas.
It only went down the neck, but it wouldn't go any further, and when I pulled
the hose back out it was dry.  I need to siphon the gas out somehow, and the
tank is half full.
If any of you can help me out here, please let me know.
The 8-track player goes a little too fast, and I want to try to fix it.
The windshield wipers only work on high speed.  If you turn them on high and
switch them to low, the wipers just stop in the middle of the windshield.
Please respond if you can help me out with any of these problems.
TIA
Brad Ross                        BradRoss79@aol.com             Swartz Creek,
MI
71 Delta 88 Custom
71 Delta 88 Royale
79 Ninety Eight Regency

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:18:09 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 1987 Cutlass Figures

I wrote:

>The 442 was an option on the Salon models.

...and Steve Ochs wrote:

>The 442 was an option on the Cutlass Supreme for 1987 only.

...Ahhh....leave it to the good man Steve to fill me in!  :-)

Thanks for the correction.  You learn somethin' every day...

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:23:33 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 87 Cutlass Production #'s

>From: Jim Hurd <jhurd@neo.lrun.com>
>
>        Thanks.  Where did you find that info?  I browse trader-online
>everyonce in awhile and have noticed I very rarely ever see a Salon listed.
>I was wondering just how rare they are.

I got those figures from the great book, "Setting the Pace".  And yep, it
looks like the public's spoke: the 442 was only an option on the Surepreme
models.  I apologize for the WRONG info...  :-)

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:28:38 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Ciera GT's

At 04:26 PM 6/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>In the three weeks I've had my 86 Ciera GT, I've yet to see anything like
>it on the road.
>
>Are there any other two-door Ciera's?  Any other Ciera's have the 3.8L
>motor?

My parents had a 1985 Cutlass Cruiser LS (Ciera-based).  The 3.8L FI engine
(code 3 I think) was available as an option on the 85 wagons at
least...probably on the "regular" Ciera's, too (not just the GT).  I have a
1984 brochure that covers the Ciera and, if memory serves me correctly, the
fuel-injected V6 wasn't available until 1985, even in the GT model.

But, I was wrong on the 442 stuff, so better double-check me... :-)

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:19:53 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 83-87 Hurst/442 exhaust hangers

At 06:40 PM 6/9/98 -0400, Mike R. wrote:
>
>Wanted:  tailpipe exhaust hangers for 83-87 442/Hurst.  GM Part Nos,
>22520308 (right) and 22520309 (left).  Any condition, new or used,
>preferably usable, but rubber doesn't have to be great.  Will pay a
>reasonable sum for one or both.  If one, preferably the left side.

Does this mean that they're no longer available from GM?  I was planning to
purchase a complete factory dual exhaust setup for my 1984, but I would
need the hangers, too.  If they're not still available, I might re-consider...

Thanks.

Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:30:20 -0400
From: "Jeanne Laroche" <jlaroche@together.net>
Subject: Gas Pedal 56 Olds

Hi, New to this web page, very interesting.  We have just finished
restoring a 56 Olds 4 door sedan.  We have no gas pedal, can anyone help.
Also looking an original radio for the 56, and does anyone works on the
clocks for that year.  Please help if you can

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:49:17 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????

On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:46:47 PDT "Eric Aksomitis" <big_olds@hotmail.com>
writes:


>Now, the question:
>
>Is the Factory Jack so nicely bolted into the trunk of my 72 98
>Supposed
>
>to be a Normal looking Jack base, with a long J-shaped chunk of metal
>
>that Fits onto the jack (IT is detachable), such that the curve of the
>J
>
>slides underneath the bumper??


                This is the exact same jack I have in my '66 Olds Delta

                E.J.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:57:52 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Parts...

OldsNuts,

Things I am looking for right now....

- - B-Body Diesel Trans cross member (late 70's, and 80's).
- - 403 Exhaust manifolds (exhaust outlet will be 2.25" diameter).
- - A-Body Big Block Frame Mounts (1970-72)
- - B-Body Carb bracket (1977 - 1979).
- - B-Body Carb arm for kickdown cable (1977 - 1979).
- - B-Body Kickdown cable for 350 cid/TH350 (1977 - 1979).

Stuff I wouldn't mind unloading...

- - 307 w/88K miles, good running engine.
- - TH2004R Transmission, needs rebuild.
For Olds 350:
- - Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, bead blasted, Eastwoods Nyalic clear
applied, NICE!
- - Hooker Competition Headers w/brand new ceramic coating, perfect and
beautiful.

Please contact me directly via E-Mail for any of the above...


Michael R. Hall, OCA #17903                       Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
My Oldsmobile Stable:
56' Starfire? : 72' Cutlass S : 87' Custom Cruiser: 98' Silhouette GLS

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:01:52 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: 70 442 project?

i recenctley purchased a 70 442 as a restoration \race car project.
foolhardily i purchased the car sight unseen ,its more than i can afford to
restore or frankly care to restore. good points   1) original 365 hp 455 2) og
code turbo 400 3) 3.23 open "O" type rear 4) has a\c with all parts still
intact 5) has good manifolds 6) ps pb 7) has decent interior with strato
buckets(seams split in normal places) w\console shifter  8) all glass etc. ok
9) has boxed trailing arms and sway bar 10) got engine started and runs ,does
not knock \bang\ rattle or smoke and trans does move (cant drive to see if has
all 3 gears   car is restorable . will take lots of $$ and tlc ! bad points
1) 442 grills replaced with cutlass grilles 2) need 2 front fenders 3) needs
front bumper, bent, possibly what happened to grills? 4) rear ouarters rusted
at bottom (not to severly though) 5) needs trunk lid 6) rust just starting in
upper trunk area(under rear window) 7) cutout rear bumper has dent in area of
reverse light 8) rust hole in drivers floor board  .   car isnt ready for
junkyard yet, but more than i want to tackle . if no-one is interested , i
will probably use as parts car for my 70 sx or parts car for that 70 442 i'm
sure to buy! ha 344 vin lansing cowl tag also had rally pack but was removed
by previuos owner ,regular cluster put in but doesnt work if any interested
parties e-mail privatley at sx455@aol.com  i'm located in central virginia
rick



0 )

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:54:07 -0400
From: "Jeanne Laroche" <jlaroche@together.net>
Subject: 1956  Olds 4 dr. sedan

Hi,  Just finished restoring our car, but we are missing the gas pedal,
also would like to replace the radio with the original that it should have.
 Also, do you know of anyone who works on clocks?  Any info will be much
appreciated.  We entered our first show on Sunday and took first place in
our class of only nine cars but it was exciting for us.  Thank you  Jeanne

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:12:12 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: gauges..

Sorry for the misinformation guys. I double checked my speedo and it is an
85mph model. I guess I was dreaming it had the 120mph version.

Angel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Matthew Mayer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 5:17 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: gauges..
>
>
> Angel Castrodad wrote:
> >
> > I can help with the gauges. If I recall correctly, '84-'86
> 442's had 120 MPH
> > speedos, at least mine does. These are the round, rally gauges indeed. I
> > don't know about the Hurst/Olds but I guess so too.
> >
> Nope, my '86 442 only has an 85mph.  The 120's were available as a
> replacement part but are long since out of stock at GM.
>
> --
> ---Matt
> Chicago, IL
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
> --------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:57:15 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to the B.O.P. Show in the Cleveland area June 14th

I'm expecting to go!

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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From: Paul L. Fikaris <fikaris@en.com>
To: Olds Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Anyone going to the B.O.P. Show in the Cleveland area June 14th
Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 4:54 PM

Just wondering if any list members are going. Please let me know.


June 14 - 7th ANNUAL BOP CAR SHOW & SWAP MEET
Hosted by the Northern Ohio Chapter. At Local 120 Pipefitters Union Hall,
6305
Halle Dr., Valley View, OH. (Off Rockside Rd., east of I-77, approx 10
miles
south of downtown Cleveland) No rain date. Registration 9am 'til 12noon.
Show
9am 'til 5pm. For more info: Jim Savnik (216)663-7295, Len Berman (Buick
Club)
(216)464-0828 or Rich Hilko, 4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212
(330)225-0793


Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
OCA 30353
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:13:25 EDT
From: <Iam2XL@aol.com>
Subject: Painting in Chicago

I would like to know if someone could advise me on a good shop to have my 1970
Cutlass repainted at.  I have not had luck in finding a good shop to do it on
my own.  Can anyone offer suggestions of a place in the Chicago Metro area
that specializes or does a lot of classic cars?

Please send responses to my e-mail box, iam2xl@aol.com instead of the list.
Thanks.

Duane Ambroz
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:21:17 -0500
From: Mark Pittmann <pittmann@prairie.lakes.com>
Subject: 1968 Olds 98 Regency Convertible

Could anyone please tell me how many 1968 model 98 Regency convertibles
were built?  My wife and I just purchased the 98 and are having a great
time cruising around with the top down. Please reply to:
pittmann@prairie.lakes.com

                           Thank you,  Mark

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:19:30 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone going to the B.O.P. Show in the Cleveland area June 14th

hopefully me and my dad will be there also.

Brent

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:16 -0500
From: "Ryan Hehn" <ryanh@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: first time out

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>Are you sure.  I am from Canada and have seen lots of Cutlasses with =
307s.=20
>There are a few with 305s as well, but lots with 307s, some of which I =
know
>were bought new here.

>I think Chevy is good, but WHY on earth would you put an inferior =
engine in
>a car.  What they should have done is put the 307s in all G-bodies, =
since
>they abandoned the 350.  Just kidding.

Actually, they probably should've put 307s in'em, but what can you do.


What part of Canada?  I'm in Manitoba and 99% of the G-bodies with v/8s =
I've
seen have the 305 (earlier had the 267).  The Canadian market always =
seems
to get dumped on.

When I was looking for a Cutlass 3 years ago I only came across one with =
the 307.
Didn't buy that one for various reasons...  I would've taken either =
engine, but didn't
have much choice.  The 305 I have has 226k (kms) and still runs great =
(knock on=20
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Ryan

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:30:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: conv. top replacement

looking to replace the top on my 66 88

Is this a do it yourself job or should I pay someone to do it?

Who should I buy the top from, are they all the same?

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:38:17 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Springs and Shocks

I'm looking for recommendations on where to get springs and shocks for
my 68 442.  It looks as if Brother's is the cheapest on a set of 4
springs.  Unfortunately, Fusicks is the most expensive and Year One is a
little more expensive than Brothers.  I was also contemplating ordering
them from PST.  Are these springs all of the same quality?  Also, I am
trying to decide on a good pair of shocks.  I know a lot of people use
the KYB gas adjust.  I was also considering the GM Gas shocks.

TIA,

Dan

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:33:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Got my switch pitch TH400 shorty

Ah, the transmission witch doctor has worked his mysterious voodoo, and
transformed a Ford AOD trans [and 3 TH400 cores] into two rebuilt TH400 short
shaft transes, one of which is a switch pitch based on the '65 OA trans.

Now, to swap out the 442's key original trans to get its crack repaired.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:39:43 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: cruise control

In a message dated 98-06-09 15:56:27 EDT, you write:

<< There are two vacuum hoses on the control the
 speedometer cables are connected to that do not go anywhere.  I would
 believe one would go to a constant vacuum outlet on the manifold.  >>
You're right one goes to manifold vacuum and other to a vacuum diaphram hooked
to chain or rod to carb linkage.    The regulator that speedo cables and hoses
connect to controls amount of vacuum to diaphram,  Good Luck,    Bruce

Mr57olds

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 'Nother Padnos find

On the way to get the transes, is the scrap metal yard. Stop in, not much to
see. 3 extracted later model xmans- #14, etc. Grab them. Talk the man into also
tossing in an Olds bare block on my tiny budget. Go to grab it- it's a RARE F
[not Fa] block *w/o* the clutch Z-bar provision, from a '76 Toronado.... See it
has a giant water jacket crack. Decide to grab this other block instead...
Whoah, lookee here, it's an E block! Yes, rarer find even. Similar much smaller
crack off the freeze plug hole, no big deal to me. Not rusty anyhow.

Gotta love that place.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:08:18 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: 1987 Cutlass Figures

Steve Ochs wrote:
<snip>

	I can check the exact number of 1987 442s made when I get home,
but I believe it was about 4281.

	The info. I received from the Olds History Center said that
4,208 442's were produced in 1987.  But who knows for sure?   :-)

	Doug Newman         Oca # 30311
	Columbus, MS
	1987 442

	http://www.442.com/newman.html
	http://www.442.com/newmantape.html
	

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:05:44 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: conv. top replacement

In a message dated 98-06-09 22:36:36 EDT, you write:

<< looking to replace the top on my 66 88
 Is this a do it yourself job or should I pay someone to do it?
 Who should I buy the top from, are they all the same? >>

GM A-bodies from 68-72 are nortorious for ripping convertable tops in the
corners near the rear roof bow.

I know of a few people who have done it themselves but I personally wouldn't
suggest it unless someone has shown you how.  Whne you remove the old roof
there are often repairs that need to be made to the roof bows and usually the
side padding has to be hand sewn.   I used to replace the top on my 71 Lemans
every two to three years because of small tears. and or vandalism.

P.S. don't let anyone talk you into getting a plastic rear window, they
usually only last 6 month before you cant see through them.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:09:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Wtd: 68 Cs Pwr Ant mast

Anyone know where to get power antenna mast, preferrably NOS or repro new?
Anyone have a '68-9 Cutlass power antenna for sale, or pieces of one? 
Anything?

Anyone can look up the part # for said mast for me so I can search for it?

I have a fine working '66 Toro PAnt., was thinking to ask $100 for it from a
good customer, does that seem right? I would pay $100 for a whole working 68-9
Cutlass antenna...
T'anks. Youse guys are the greatest.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:34:48 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: RE: gauges..

>Sorry for the misinformation guys. I double checked my speedo and it is an
>85mph model. I guess I was dreaming it had the 120mph version.
>
>Angel

Does anyone have a 120 mph speedo they could scan the face of?  Surely with
a litle work we could figure out how to produce a decal or stencil to
convert all these 80mph speedos to 120.  I know I'd like to do it.  Only
problem is it'll probalby take a reduction box on most cars to slow the
speedo down roughly 40% to get it to read correctly. :(  Still a worthy 
project.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:30:07 EDT
From: <CCRR12@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 79 98 Questions

In a message dated 98-06-09 21:40:34 EDT, Brad Ross wrote:

 I got my 79 98 home yesterday and haven't started it yet, I still need to
 change the oil, antifreeze and put some new gas in the tank.

 I tried to put a hose down the neck of the gas tank to siphon out the stale
 gas.
 It only went down the neck, but it wouldn't go any further, and when I pulled
 the hose back out it was dry.  I need to siphon the gas out somehow, and the
 tank is half full.
 If any of you can help me out here, please let me know. >>
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
How long has the car been sitting?  If it is over 2 years, read on.

IMHO the best thing to do would be to drop the gas tank, take it to a radiator
shop and have it flushed.( should cost about $40) Could be cheap insurance in
heading off possible contamination of the rest of your fuel system. You may be
surprised how quickly you can pull the tank. You just might have a buddy help
getting it back in.

While you are there, disconnect the fuel line at the fuel pump and blow out
the line.
You may be amazed at the crud that can be in there. Be sure to install a new
in-line filter to use for at least the first 500 miles or so.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J2

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:31:58 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????

In a message dated 98-06-09 18:17:09 EDT, you write:

<< Has anyone ever done this type of thing????
 Comments / suggestions?
  >>

Soylent Ocean Mist was sold to me with an incorrect spare (truck tire!), and
no jack.

Karl spent all of $25 on a Sears floor jack which stays in the trunk, and
never looked back.

(Probably because he strained a neck muscle lugging it into and out of the
trunk!)

Much later, a possibly correct car jack base was purchased while yarding in
order to properly contain the bias-ply spare tire. As it happened the jack
base is quite close to Ocean Mist color!


Karl Aune
and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; IVOC and OCA (#029458)
Chicago, IL

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

KarlAune is a trademark of World Domination Ltd., a subsidiary of Microsoft

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:31:57 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Letters needed for 65 Olds + letter humor

In a message dated 98-06-09 10:07:06 EDT, you write:

<< I need the chrome letters S and M (from OldSMobile) for
 the trunk of my '65 Ninety Eight. Anybody have these
 or know of a good source?

 Thanks,
  Jim Bauman >>

Hello again Jim!

First, humor and nostalgia. There was a car parked (displayed really) on one
of the downtown streets of Lansing during the Centennial. It looks to be (got
picture!) a '61-62' F-85, missing the WIDE chrome trim on both sides
(indentations for same a dead giveaway) but with *great* "arrest-me" red (I
just love that expression) paint. Further inspection reveals........what is
that on the grille????????

SOME DOLL

But back to Oldsmobile part scrounging!
I might be able to produce these for you for relatively cheap. Little more
than shipping really.

IF you can put this project on a back burner.

Having recently been soaked $800 for a comprehensive brake job on Soylent
Ocean Mist, I am not quite up to scooting the 1-2 hours to visit my ersatz
parts cars in the Ye Olds Junque Yardes where I found them. (Distance traveled
depends on which yard). If you need these sooner, try USA Parts Supply. They
have a web site at.....

www.usapartssupply.com

I have ordered from them and have no complaints.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:36:05 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442

In a message dated 98-06-09 20:25:27 EDT, you write:

<< The front discs do most of the stopping. Spend your money there. Discs on
the
 rear are neither easy or inexpensive to install, and WILL NOT help your
 braking very much if at all. >>
I am in the middle of doing this front disk upgrade. BIg $$$$. Went for the
hotchkis control arms, 12'' rotors. You need so much other stuff.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:47:08 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Disc Brakes 1968 442

In a message dated 98-06-09 11:52:19 EDT, you write:

<< >I put rear disk from a 80 TA on the rear of my 72 cutlass. Dont have
 the time
 >now to go into detail.

 Wow! You can't give us that sentence and not give us the whole
 detailed story!  When you get some time, let us know.  Quite of few of
 us listers would like 4 wheel disks without having to pay $2500 or
 learning how to weld.
 -greg >>
Ok a quick run down i took the backing plate off of the TA and swapted it with
the backing plate of the olds. I did have to grind it down a bit because it
was thicker where the bearing retainer is.Bolt pattern was the same, I forget
the measurement. At the time i was running new style 15'' ralley rims which
rubbed the caliper a little. So i had to take a little off of the caliper. But
all in all it worked, and looked cool when you look threw the rear rim and see
disk's on a 72. I took this system off because the calipers were so dam
expensive at the time,and both were frozen from sitting, no rebuilds were
avail. They were 180 each. Im sure you can get them much cheeper now.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:50:11 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: switch under back plate

Aren't you the fellow who offered mail hosting under the
oldsmobile.something domain?  I responded twice to your post but never
received an answer.  What's up with that?

Kevin.

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67 cutlass f85

Hey does anyone know what the switch is for that is next to the gas tank
under the liscence plate?
And what can be done with the two "breather" hoses on the back of the gas
tank?
Also I am looking for 15" rally rims (2 of them)
David Seiver
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:59:19 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 79 98 Questions

<< I tried to put a hose down the neck of the gas tank to siphon out the stale
 gas.
 It only went down the neck, but it wouldn't go any further, and when I pulled
 the hose back out it was dry.  I need to siphon the gas out somehow, and the
 tank is half full. >>

That's a LOT of gas in those cars!  Tank holds about 25 gallons, if I remember
correctly.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:03:44 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Home coming?

In a message dated 98-06-09 19:49:07 EDT, you write:

<< Isn't rh lansing Olds Homecomming this weekend?

 I have not heard anything about it lately,  It it is this weekend I'll be
 there.

  >>
Lansing Homecoming is June 20th.  There is a cruise on the 19th and auction at
the REO Transportation Museum in Lansing.  Then the 20th is the big show.
Last year they had 330 cars and 50 vendors.

For more details email me
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W30 Race Rocket   and I will be there

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:12:13 EDT
From: <Hoffa11081@aol.com>
Subject: Re: first time out

i just was wondering how much more tourque and hp I can get out of my 307 by
adding a edelbrock performer intake a dual exhaust with headers and a better
cam

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:10:38 -0700
From: "Kaye K" <lkgk@anv.net>
Subject: Re: gauges..

I have a 120 mph I can scan if someone can tell me how to take the
tripometer reset thing off.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:29:30 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: gauges..

At 10:34 PM 6/9/98 +0600, you wrote:
>>Sorry for the misinformation guys. I double checked my speedo and it is an
>>85mph model. I guess I was dreaming it had the 120mph version.
>>
>>Angel
>
>Does anyone have a 120 mph speedo they could scan the face of?  Surely with
>a litle work we could figure out how to produce a decal or stencil to
>convert all these 80mph speedos to 120.  I know I'd like to do it.  Only
>problem is it'll probalby take a reduction box on most cars to slow the
>speedo down roughly 40% to get it to read correctly. :(  Still a worthy
project.
>
>Greg Pruett
>72 Vista Cruiser
>67 Cutlass Surpeme
>80 Cutlass Calais
>

If you want to see one hit me at super442@mindspring.com
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Supreme Convertibles (or not)

I'd like to take the opportunity to correct some misinformation I recently
provided.  Kurt was correct, the only 1966 Cutlass Supreme was a four-door;
the convertible was the Cutlass.  In addition, the 442 option was available on
the F-85 Club Coupe, the F-85 Deluxe Holiday Coupe, and the Cutlass Sport
Coupe, Holiday Coupe, and Convertible.  I _did_ have my factory parts book
open when I wrote my original post.  Unfortunately, it was open to the _1967_
page.  In 1966 the A-body line (excluding wagons) included the 33300/33400
series, which was the F-85, the 33500/33600 series, which was the F-85 Deluxe,
and the 33800 series, which was the Cutlass but also included the one Cutlass
Supreme model. As it turns out, in 67 the 33500/33600 series cars became the
Cutlass instead of the F-85 Deluxe and the 33800 series designated the Cutlass
Supreme, which was expanded to include a convertible (as did the Cutlass
series that year)in addition to the Sport Coupe, Holiday Coupe and Sedan, and
the carryover Town Sedan.  To close on the original topic, it appears that the
first Supreme convertible was offered in _1967_.

The one thing I've learned from this is not to open my big mouth when I'm only
half awake (I wrote the original post around midnight).  I also have to figure
out what I saw that gave me the impression that all 66 convertibles were
Supremes.  I've "known" that as gospel for a long time now, but the
documentation clearly shows it not to be true.  I guess my only defense is
that I recently turned 40, so obviously I'm allowed some slack in the memory
area ;-)

I want to thank Kurt for setting me straight.  Rather than publicly flaming,
he took the issue off line.  He's a classy and knowledgeable guy and a credit
to the list, who set me straight on a long-held misconception.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30







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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:27 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Olds Lansing Video Info.

Hi folks,
Apologies to the digest members and "old hands" on the list who have
seen this numerous times in the last few months.  Posting for the influx
of new list members.  If you've already ordered, thanks again.

I've worked in television for over ten years, and produced my fair share
of weddings, fraternity rush videos, and high school graduation videos.
During the Olds Centennial last August, some of the list members took
their cameras, and shot a load of video of all the beautiful cars on
display.  Since I didn't get to attend, I volunteered to dub their raw
video and edit it together into an Olds e-mail list video scrapbook.
Tape was mastered on DVC, (Digital Video Cassette) so you don't
experience the video generation loss like you do when dubbing VHS to
VHS.  This is not a tape of corporate self-praise, and I'm not
affiliated with Olds, GM, or any other group that produced tapes.  This
is strictly a car video for car guys and ladies.  There's no narration:
every shot is edited to music.  It contains 16 songs, including Kathy
Mattea's "455 Rocket" and Jackie Brenston and the Delta Cats' "Rocket
88".  Total running time is 1:01:55.  It covers everything from the
curved dash runabouts up to the 1998 models and concept cars.  You'll
see some cars owned by list members, as well as a few list members
themselves.  (Greg Beaulieu, Bryce Smith, Jim Chermack, plus Helen Early
and James Walkinshaw, co-authors of "Setting the Pace".  Plus numerous
shots of Linda Vaughn, Miss Hurst Golden Shifter.)  Cost is $20.00 U.S.
This includes postage.  If you do decide to order, please include your
e-mail address with your order so I can contact you when I ship your
video.  (All orders go out the day payment is received, except
Saturday.) Snail-mail address follows, and I look forward to hearing
from anyone interested.  If you have any questions, please e-mail me
privately to keep list traffic down.  Thanks for your time.

Doug Newman            OCA # 30311
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

1987 442

newmand@wcbi.com

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:23:08 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 79 Ninety Eight Regency

I have a 77 Ninety-Eight Regency 2dr, I love the car to death. If I were
you i'd have that car in a heartbeat. If you get it going just take it
for a ride and it should convince you.
Jake
1977 98 Regency "Gray Beast"
1982 Firenza

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:06:09 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Where to put the radio?

Mark,

Seems we tossed this around about a month ago, but a Cutlass was in
discussion.  It depends partially on the stereo equipment.

I personally like out of sight out of mind principle, either hidden in
the console or in the glove box.  If in plain sight, then at least a
detachable face or better yet pull out.

All have their pros and cons.  If you don't have an enclosure, check out
Street rodder magazine for  an underdash metal enclosure  $50+ depending
on the size.

Since I don't know the dimensions or layout of your Delta 88 interior, I
can't help ya much more.  I would be glad to do some sketches for ya if
you supply a picture and some dimensions.

Later,

Chris Rivier, designer.

'66 Delta 88..."The Beast," work in progress.
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.  Just blew
tranny........%#@&  Guess I'll be drivin the OLDS sooner than I thought.
Cheaper to fix...that's for sure.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:15:15 -0500
From: Jake Biehl <IronEagl2@hotmail.com>
Subject: 82 olds firenza

I just bought an 82 Olds firenza. I needed something to drive while the
"Gray Beast" is inoperative (everything leaks). I paid $400 for it,
minimal rust, 67k, clean car. The gas milage beats that of the 403 it
should it's only a 112. Well onto my questions.

1. I was hooking the computer scanner up to it at work and it said it
had a Ch*vy Motor in it, Is that true? and Why?
2. Anyone here own one of these?
3. It pings under load like going up hills and out of a stop, why does
it do that? I ran premium fuel in it and I didn't hear it anymore.
4. Is this a good car? Anyone hear anything bad about these cars?
5. What is the smallest engine that GM made?
6. Please Tell me all the info you know about this car/engine.

D*mn going from a 403 to a 112, it like going from a bicycle to a Car.

Thanx,
Jake
1977 Olds 98 Regency "Gray Beast"
1982 Olds Firenza S Coupe "The Tiny One"

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:19:25 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Conv. top replacement

looking to replace the top on my 66 88
Is this a do it yourself job or should I pay someone to do it?
Who should I buy the top from, are they all the same?
***********************************************************************
Hi ef01,

Personally, I am a little offended with the annonimity.  Are you not
proud to be an Olds dude.  Reveal and we shall reveal.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast," work in progress.
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more...parts hauler.


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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:24:44 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: gauges..

My '72 Cutlass had one.....Sorry, don't have it anymore.

I was disappointed my Festiva only registers 85 too.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  160K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:27:22 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IS That REALLY the factory jack for 1972 98??????

JUST MY OPINION, WHY?

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  160K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:09:53 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Hood insulation

Does anyone know if I can still get original hood insulation for an '86 442
from GM? Or is there someone else that carries this part?

TIA

Angel

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:27:09 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: bikerbabe3@juno.com (Linda B Pulli): Lowe Daisy
<lowed@lewis.army.mil>: FW: Warning

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To: burling1@juno.com, novajim@e-z.net, rdeeter@aol.com,
rhiannon@techline.com,phi@wport.com, meisenhog@ngms.state.ms.us,
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Subject: Lowe Daisy <lowed@lewis.army.mil>: FW: Warning
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:56:23 -0700
Message-ID: <19980608.105808.14174.0.bikerbabe3@juno.com>

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From: Lowe Daisy <lowed@lewis.army.mil>
To: "'Ann Rives'" <arives@cleveland.dfas.mil>,"'Beverly
Ladd'",<Beverly_Ladd@MAMC.SMTPLINK.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL>,"'CHERYL
OLIVER'",<oliverc@wcpoc-emh1.army.mil>,"'Connie
Gholson'",<connie_gholson@MAMC.SMTPLINK.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL>,Cooper Kenneth
YTC XO,<IMCEAMS-FTLEWIS_EMS3_cooperk@lewis.army.mil>,"'Dempsey,
Anne'",<dempseya@wcpoc-emh1.army.mil>,"'Donna
Wheeler'",<Donna.Wheeler@mailgate.eiw38.af.mil>,Figueroa
Phyllis,<figuerop@lewis.army.mil>,"'Garraway Carletta'"
<cgavincy@hotmail.com>,Hawkins Shawern CPO
<hawkinss@lewis.army.mil>,"'Jeanette
Medina'",<medinj@mcchord.af.mil>,"'Jim Randall'"
<Randalljim@juno.com>,Knox Roselyn C <knoxr@lewis.army.mil>, "'Knox
Marie'" <rknox@ups.edu>,"'Lindy Puli-Home'"
<bikerbabe3@juno.com>,"'Maxcine
Butler'",<BUTLER.MAXCINE@SEATTLE.VA.GOV>,"'Mike
Labriola'",<mike.labriola@cpms.osd.mil>,"'Natalie Leath'"
<leathnm@juno.com>,"'Patricia.Huddy@cpms.osd.mil'"
<Patricia.Huddy@cpms.osd.mil>,"'RKohls'",<rkohls@foxinternet.net>,Kohl
Roger <kohlr@lewis.army.mil>, "'Steven Lowe'"
<stevel@quebim.com>,"'Steven Lowe -
Home'",<XNWN92A@PRODIGY.Com>,"'TBurr46155@aol.com'"
<TBurr46155@aol.com>,"'TBurrell'" <TBurrell@vines.etn.com>,"'JONATHAN
LOWE'",<XNWN92D@PRODIGY.Com>
Subject: FW: Warning
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:52:22 -0700
Message-ID: <8155AAEC5529D111A06800A0C948E6D238B571@lewisex16>



> ----------
> From: 	Pozzuto Ella
> Sent: 	Monday, June 08, 1998 7:39 AM
> To: 	Frankie Gail; Hopps Karen; Lee Janet; Lowe Daisy; Roden
Dennis;
> Barbeau Abby; Goheen Sylvia CPO; Johnson Joann CPO; Johnston Mary CPO;
> Muraoka Shari CPO; Murphy Kathy CPO; Oster Milt CPO; Smith Darlene CPO;
> Struna Frank CPO; Beachum Jim CPO; Derry Kathleen CPO; Granrud Jennifer
> CPO; Larson Scott CPO; Moehrke Sam CPO; Shick Lynn CPO; Strand Sigrid
CPO;
> Wikoff Theresa CPO
> Subject: 	FW: Warning
> Importance: 	High
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: 	Crocker George A LTG
> Sent: 	Friday, June 05, 1998 4:21 PM
> To: 	Austin Johnny J CSM; Baker Ralph O MAJ; Campbell Charles C
BG;
> Connors Thomas P COL; McNeill Dan K MG; *Equal Opp Staff Officer; *HHC
I
> Corps Commander; Christy Peter COL; Cleaver, Jill LTC DEPT CHEMO;
Fletcher
> Charles V LTC; Goller George C COL; Hovatter Gary LTC; McCaffery
Michael K
> COL; Mishkel Kenneth M LTC; Novosad Jerry  COL; Peterson Kertis D COL;
> Ranson William COL; Schneider Michael COL; Walker Paul D COL; *EEO;
Bryant
> George (COL); Crane William; Davis Brian C. COL; Edwards James N.; Egan
> Edward P COL; Helfer Richard N. LTC; Knight Robert K LTC; Patterson Dan
B
> COL; Pozzuto Ella CPO; Stallcup Debbie J LTC; Strand Richard N COL;
Strohm
> Pete; Trow Ronald G; Beard Lois  COL; Chiarelli Peter COL CDR;
Fastabend,
> David COL, 555 ENGP; Gardner Stephen W. COL 1/25CDR; Hall John COL
201MI
> BDE CDR; Nolan David L  COL CDR 62MED; Wideman James T. COL; Beard
Glenn P
> LTC; Gentemann Michor M COL; Killen Michael COL; Oberst David J COL;
> Prasek F J COL; Walsh Michael
> Subject: 	FW: Warning
>
>
> FYI
>
> > >If you receive an e-mail titled "WIN A HOLIDAY" DO NOT open it.
> > >It will erase everything on your hard drive.  Forward this letter
> > >out to as many people as you can.  This is a new, very malicious
> > >virus and not many people know about it.  This information was
> > >announced yesterday morning from Microsoft.  Please share it with
> > >everyone that might access the internet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:28:40 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: radio

Thanks for your help Chris. I think I have resigned myself to installing
a cassette receiver and add a
cd changer. I visited  Crutchfields web site and found a couple of
Kenwoods and Sonys that will fit
without major alterations. Admittedly this is the more expensive route
to take but I just cant see any
other practical way.
Thanks again,
Mark

'75 delta 88 royale conv

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:45:32 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rear Discs 68 442 or My Heavy Foot

Just my $.02,

The front brakes proportionally do most of the work due to the fact of
weight transfer to the front when your stopping.  4 wheel disks are
superior, if you can tweak'em just right.  That's the main problem.

Do you have a heavy foot while driving?.....Phrases to look out for:

1)  ... I drive pretty hard
2)  ... before going to 4-wheel disc(s)...they would get so hot that I
was killing calipers every 2 months.
3)  (Now) ...my front calipers started lasting for almost a year...
4)  ...I noticed a definite difference in braking power.

Sorry to dog ya my man, but "... (it) only applies to wannabe racecar
drivers - if you don't drive like an absolute maniac you will never
notice the difference."

Guilty as Charged!
I have made my brakes heat up till they faded, too.  Could be scary.


Haul Ass and Road rage favorites?
(The heat must be getting to me, or is it the humidity.)

1)  Do you have cross hairs on your windshield?
2)  Do you have a bumper sticker that reads, " I don't have a horn look
out for my finger signals"?
3)  Do you tell the officer, "I was just racing to...."? Dooohhh!!
4)  Do you have a bumper sticker that reads, " My kid screwed your
straight A student"...(how'd that get in there?)


                          Don't be in sucha hurry to get nowhere.

                          Cruuz Mon, it makes all the difference.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast," getting ready to be inspected.  yeah!
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  162K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more...#@%$& needs a
tranny....so much for parts hauler.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:54:20 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Radio Install

Mark,

I would still get a detachable face cassette.  Make it the least
appealing as possible.  Unfortunately, I am talking from experience.

A remote cd with the cassette player or hard line controller tucked away
by the side of the seat is a very viable option.  Crutchfield has good
prices, but you might want to check out your local Best Buy or Custom
installer for price comparisons.  Sometimes SERVICE is the best value.

So, where are going to put the speakers?  Have fun.

Good Luck,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88..."The Beast"
'88 Festiva..."Zippy"  160K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:51:43 -0700
From: Mike Lias <mlias@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Hood insulation

Angel Castrodad wrote:

> Does anyone know if I can still get original hood insulation for an '86 442
> from GM? Or is there someone else that carries this part?
>
> TIA
>
> Angel


A friend of mine recently bought one for his '87 Grand National (original)
from our local GM dealer (Simpson Olds/Buick in Downey, Ca).... I asked
if they had one for my '86 442, and the guy said yeah.... It cost him about
$100....

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