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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, June 21 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1320



Need some opinions..!!!
Re: Stupid Sparkplug Question
Mistake in previous post
Re: Need some opinions..!!!
Re: Need some opinions..!!!
Re: Stupid Sparkplug Question
Washer Fluid Bottle
Re: Need some opinions..!!!
wanted horn button
Re: Mistake in previous post
Re: Washer Fluid Bottle
UNBOUNCE: '61-'62 F-85 Stuff For Sale
Chirpy Noise Found!
Sway Bar Growls...
71 doors fit????
67 Ninety Eight Cvt... How Many?
Re: 71 doors fit????
59 Olds
KEEP CAR? FRONT END WORK (long)
Trailer Update
65 F-85 vin decode
Re: Need some opinions..!!!
Re: KEEP CAR? FRONT END WORK (long)
Re: 1968 98 Conv question.
Re: Washer Fluid Bottle
13 Oldsmobiles for sale - Middle Tennessee
Re: 71 doors fit????
'67 Olds 98 Convertible
Please decipher VIN #
Fw: Parts Leads  (G body 442)
Re: Call From Ashley Jones; Thanks!!
Questions about compatibility.
Re: Questions about compatibility.
FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: 67 Ninety Eight Cvt... How Many?
Re: 65 F-85 vin decode and available options.
1965 Regular gas option
Lansdale car show
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Re: Radial T/As
no spark -nostart  -need help!
Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!
Re: Questions about compatibility.
Window Tint

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:46:26 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Need some opinions..!!!

Happy almost first day of summer, list...!!!!

   I have a dilemma that needs some friendly advice. I just got home
after looking at a really nice 1986 442 that I found in the paper for
sale. The car has had damn near everything on it replaced as was
proved by many many receipts offered to me by the owner. Only thing I
could find wrong was a not so perfect paint job, a few minor interior
flaws and an original engine (307) with 180,000 miles on it. The car
has flawless factory 442 15" wheels with brand spanking new tires
mounted on them. I have been searching for these exact wheels, but
the guy will not separate the car from the wheels. My dilemma, if you
haven't already figured it out is, I want these wheels and tires, but
not necessarily the whole car. BUT........The car is in really good
shape, never been wrecked, a 2 owner car, had almost everything
replaced that a person could replace and I'd hate to buy it just for
the wheels and then sell the car. I now own a 1986 Cutlass Supreme
that I want to install the wheels on. I don't want to part with the
Supreme, but if I keep the 442, it will have to go. My Supreme is in
better shape, paint wise and riding comfort, than the 442. Will
someone please give me some help in deciding which route to take.
Also, I might add that I can pick up this 442 for $300.00 and I think
it is well worth that..!!! You'd have to see it to appreciate.

All help will be gladly appreciated..!!

Mail to    krzy4evr@usit.net
Mike...................




"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:48:28 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Stupid Sparkplug Question

The factory spec is .035, which yields a smooth idle.  A gap of .030 will
permit better  (hotter) spark at the top of the rev range.  The gap is not
really hyper-critical.  Anywhere within that continuim will do.
- -----Original Message-----
From: BuchD@aol.com <BuchD@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 3:24 PM
Subject: Stupid Sparkplug Question


>Hello fellow list members:
>
>Does anyone know what the plug gap should be for a '70 442 w/455?
>(I can't find my service manual)
>Thanks so much,
>Charlie

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:52:30 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Mistake in previous post

Ooopps...

I made a boo-boo when I said the price of the car (442) Take it for
granted my friends, that $300.00 is a major typo...!!!!


Mike



"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:52:40 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Need some opinions..!!!

<HTML>
$300.00?????????????????????
<BR><FONT SIZE=+4>BUY THE CAR!!!!!!!</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:59:48 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Need some opinions..!!!

> From:          Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
> Subject:       Re: Need some opinions..!!!

> <HTML>
> $300.00?????????????????????
> <BR><FONT SIZE=+4>BUY THE CAR!!!!!!!</FONT></HTML>

Let's stop this before it starts...!! The $300.00 figure was a major
typo...!! I'm sorry for the shock...!!

Mike........
'86 Cutlass Supreme
'71 Monte Carlo







"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:03:49 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Sparkplug Question

I dont know how accurate this is but Chiltons says .030 for 70 455's with
R-44S or R45S plugs, dwell28-32, point gap.016 timimg 12B(365hp) 8B(370hp).
I hope this helps.


At 03:22 PM 6/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello fellow list members:
>
>Does anyone know what the plug gap should be for a '70 442 w/455?
>(I can't find my service manual)
>Thanks so much,
>Charlie
>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:20:52 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Washer Fluid Bottle

I have a 70 442 assembled in the Michagan plant.  Does anyone know what color
washer fluid bottle it should have.  They made a black one and a white one,
and from what I have read the color depends where the car was made.
Thanks for any help
Keith

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:20:39 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Need some opinions..!!!

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:

> better shape, paint wise and riding comfort, than the 442. Will
> someone please give me some help in deciding which route to take.
> Also, I might add that I can pick up this 442 for $300.00 and I think
> it is well worth that..!!! You'd have to see it to appreciate.
lp will be gladly appreciated..!!
>
> Mail to    krzy4evr@usit.net
> Mike...................
>
> "Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
>  Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

Where are you located?  Not being rude, I'd give ya $500, if you are
paying 3 for it, and let you have the wheels and tires.  If you think
the car can make it from where you are at to Charleston, SC, LET ME
KNOW, I'd bring my wheels and tires off my 87 just to get it home...
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:24:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wanted horn button

Hi everyone,

Just got back from the olds homecoming show.  It was a beautiful day.

I bought a sport steering wheel minus the horn button.

I am looking for a black horn button.  Can anyone h*lp me?

Thanks
Doug Harkema
70 CS conv't
Holt, MI

harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:52:55 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Mistake in previous post

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> Ooopps...
>
> I made a boo-boo when I said the price of the car (442) Take it for
> granted my friends, that $300.00 is a major typo...!!!!
>
> Mike

But what you're not telling us is how much he really wants for it....

*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:02:01 EDT
From: <BuchD@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Washer Fluid Bottle

Hello!
I also have a 70 442 built in michigan. The bottle on my car is white(opaque)
I don't think it makes a difference, but mine is a W-30.
Hope this helps

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:49:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '61-'62 F-85 Stuff For Sale

Not on the list, reply to timbra@weblnk.net if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Tim Braden" <timbra@weblnk.net>
Subject: For Sale

1961 - 1962 Cutlass F-85 parts
Complete motor & transmission (disassembled)
Various body parts
	hood
	fenders
	trunk lid
	doors
	trim
Various interior parts
	dashboard
	seats
	trim

These parts are located in Delaware in my dad's basement. I moved to North
Carolina. After storing the parts for a few years, my dad wants them out of
the house. I know it is hard to find parts for the '61 & '62's, so if you
can use any or all of the parts please email me at:timbra@weblnk.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:54:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Chirpy Noise Found!

Today I decided to give this one more shot... I was crawling around the
driveway reaching under the Delta trying to see if anything was loose that
would cause this. I noticed the nut on the trans mount was covered with
old undercoat, rustproofing, etc. Strange since I asked my mechanic when
it was in the shop getting the springs replaced a couple of weeks ago to
check that and he reported all was OK. I touched it with my fingers and
could turn it by hand. Wrenched on it at least 3-4 full turns. Test drive
revealed no more chirps.

I have to have a word with my mechanic... :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:15:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Sway Bar Growls...

After the success with the Delta today I decided to finally put the
TransAm sway bar on the Cutlass. Aside from getting absolutely filthy
taking the old one off (I really do need to get all that old rustproofing
off there) there were no problems with disassembly. It's a pain contorting
yourself under there and there's not much room but you sort of expect
that. Getting the other one on was another story.

I had bushings for a TransAm that fit the bar fine but really stuck up
out of the frame mounts, nearly an inch. I also had a nice looking end
link kit with red urethane bushings for the same car. I got really tired
benchpressing that heavy bar for nearly an hour trying to get the
brackets lined up and the bolts started. With the bushings sticking out
that much the bolts would barely start in the holes. But eventually with
a lot of sweating and grunting I got them going.

I was tightening them about 6-8 swings of the socket each before going to
the next. About halfway home one of them stripped out. On the other side
another one did the same. Growlll... off to the parts store after cleaning
the filth off of myself. The service manual anticipates this problem and
advises using a 3/8 service bolt instead of the factory 5/16. I bought 4
of each size, grade 8s. Back to the job, these new ones were just a hair
shorter than the old and required a lot of work to get them started, but
after another half hour of wrestling with the bar they were going in. The
5/16 bolts were working thank goodness -- I dunno how the 3/8 would ever
fit.  Finally got them tightened down as much as I dared (factory spec is
only 10 ft lbs). Then I went to work on the end links.

They went together surprisingly easily and I was tightening them down for
what seemed like an eternity. Uh-oh... I have a problem. The end links
are too short, specifically the sleeves. As you tighten it down the sway
bar moves too close to the tie rod/steering linkage, and it fouls on the
adjusting bolts. The car can't steer. Not good.

When I bought the end link kit I looked at one from a Cutlass also and
noticed the sleeves were slightly different. It was missing a piece as it
turned out so I took the TransAm kit with the nice urethane bits (the
Cutlass was straight rubber), otherwise I would have bought them both.
Guess I need sleeves for a Cutlass to make it work -- my old ones are
longer by better than 1/2" and would give the clearance I need.

I assume you can't buy just the sleeves. Since tomorrow is Sunday the
parts stores are closed anyway. My old ones look not too bad so I think
I'll clean them up and try them tomorrow. Any warnings against reusing
these? If so I'll spring for the new kit and throw the rest away, but
these ones look fine on the surface. Words of wisdom?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:49:24 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: 71 doors fit????

will a 71 4 door fit on a 71 c/s convertible?
dave
1971 cutlass supreme convertible

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:59:03 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 67 Ninety Eight Cvt... How Many?

> 3769 98 Topdroppers were produced in 1967. That makes it a very stylish an
> rare car.

Yeah, age excluded, it ranks right in there with my 83 Turbo Regal, I guess.
I'm much more excited about restoring the cvt, though!!!

 You won't find one like yours parked next to you in the
> supermarket parking lot.  Peter

That's a guarantee!  They could have made millions, and there still wouldn't be
one like ~that~ in a parking lot!  Hopefully someday soon that'll change,
though!  Makes three engine installs I gotta do this summer, and two tranny's,
and two drivelines.....  Hmm...  ...wish it'd quit raining!

I did see one for sale about the same time I got mine.  Fully restored,
somewhere in Canada, I think.  Wanted about $10K for it!  (Not sure if US or 
Can
funds...)

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:07:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 71 doors fit????

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, dave wrote:
> will a 71 4 door fit on a 71 c/s convertible?

Am I understanding you correctly? A 4-door's door on a convertible?
Hardly. All you have to do is look at it.

OTOH, if you're talking about a Cutlass Supreme 2-door hardtop's door, I
think they will.

I also understand the 4-door's trunklid might fit on your convertible
though.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:14:14 EDT
From: <A885678@aol.com>
Subject: 59 Olds

I am looking for a rear windshield glass for my 1959 88. Also in need of seat
springs. I have many parts to swap/sell/trade. Send reply to a885678@aol.com
   Thanks, Jim

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:28:32 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: KEEP CAR? FRONT END WORK (long)

Well folks, I have spent the last 3 weekends working on the front end of the 
86.
I have replaced all 4 tie rods and sleeves weekend before last, last weekend
I did
the idler arm and center link, this weekend I did rotors(new), brakes,
wheel bearings.

It sure made a diffrence in the way the car rides and steers.  I had to do a
couples parts at a time because of funds.  It just takes longer this way.
Now after all this it looks like all the bushings need replaced and the ball
joints.  The little 307 is starting to smoke when the 4bbl is opened up and
the rpm climbs, still pulls strong for a 307. I am wondering if it is worth
putting  more money in the 4dr to keep it or should I look for some thing
different.  The body and interior is in good shape for its age and it rides
smooth.  So do I look for a car or a motor and finish the front end?  I have
called local garages and motor rebuilders and they want between 1900.00 -
2700.00 for a long block or to rebuild mine.  They all said that they could
do a 350/455 cheaper. My concern is now San Antonio will in the near future
start having the smog checks that some of you are already dealing with. Can
I use a diffrent motor and still pass smog?

Any advice will help. Thanks folks
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:43:20 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Trailer Update

Since all it's done here this week is rain, I made a run for the border today.
Went over to Williston, ND (1/2 hour away) to kill time with our salesman, 
whose
significant other wanted to go shopping.  Well, tagging along, wandering 
through
Walmart and Kmart, etc...  He found an Olds hotwheels type thing.  Blue, 442,
couldn't see enough of it to get a year, 68-72, anyway.  He beat me to it!!!
Found an Olds keychain I didn't have yet.  Noticed a chunk of steel on a 
bargain
bin thing.  A "Power Winch adaptor plate" for a ball mount.  $20, marked down 
to
15, to 10, and finally to $5.  Sounds good to me.  My crank winch bolts up to 
it
OK.  Don't know if it'll go on the ball very well, but it slides down over the
tongue jack just fine.  I think it'll work well.
Olds content:  This will make it much quicker to load up all my Olds's on the
trailer...  Making new purchases much more convenient...  (actually, ~new~ is a
poor word, 'cuz most of ~my~ purchases need to be winched up on the trailer.)
Ought to beat the hell out of an 8' come-along!  Stopping three times to 
shorten
the chain and pull the cable back out...  Royal Pain!  When it comes time to
drop the '73 Toro back off, I'll find out how it works, I guess.  (If it stops
raining before November...  You'd think I'm in Minn or something!  I'm a bit
jaded, I guess.  ALl the local farmers are liking the rain, since they don't
have to irrigate (even though we're not getting much actual moisture, it just
won't stop raining.  (go figure...  1 week of solid rain, still ain't seen 1
inch, I don't think.)  My parent's farm, 130 miles away, dry as bone.  Some
government agency thing won't ~let~ the farmers up there irrigate, water 
rights,
or something.  They ~need~ the rain to survive, but aren't getting any.  Down
here the farmers can use the rain to save them a bit of labor.  All of 'em
driving four or five 1998 trucks.  Hard for me to feel sorry for 'em...

Whoa, where'd that Olds content go?  Hmm.  I guess that's why my most expensive
Olds I've ever owned cost $2000.  Enough ranting.  Looks like the rain let up
for a while, but the wind's still going 200mph...  Don't know if I want to go
battle with that Toro right now or not...
- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:55:06 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 65 F-85 vin decode

Ran across this in town recently.  65 F-85, supposedly had a 425 in it.  Empty
at current.  Looks like a posi tag on the axle.  Traction bars of some sort
under it (even with coil springs.  Hmm)  VIN goes 33427_5Z######  Which works
out to (my closest guess, at least)

3-Olds
3427 ???  V8-F85, a guess.  The decoder I looked at showed the closest
	to be the 3407, which included the 442 option.  I lost the URL
	for the other decoder that the list uses.  This was linked
	from the FAQ.
5 - 1965
Z - Fremont CA
etc...

Anyone take a stab at this?  Does that 3427 equate to the 425 V8 F-85?

Steering column is gone, and I didn't see any other evidence pointing to what
once resided under that big tranny hump.  That tag on the axle could mean
anything, too.  They could have added a posi, I don't know.  It might just be a
tag, too.  Won't know without jacking 'er up.  Bondo, Rust, cheesy crushed
velvet interior, hippie stripes, rusted ~and mossy~ 1/4 panels, faded window
tint, and aftermarket "streetmachine" emblems on it.  (some may remember
questions about this car from last year.)  Sounds like he's getting it for a
song.  If he gets it.  Oh, and there was a cat in it when I went to look at it!
Opened the door and he went flying out the steering column hole!  Oh, and big
6x9 holes in the doors, too.  Anyway, that's that...

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:43:09 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need some opinions..!!!

WHY BOTHER ASKING ,FOR $300 I WILL TAKE 2

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:28:23 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: KEEP CAR? FRONT END WORK (long)

My concern is now San Antonio will in the near future
> start having the smog checks that some of you are already dealing with. Can
> I use a diffrent motor and still pass smog?

Most states that have smog laws have exemptions for engines that were
replaced PRIOR to the laws going into effect.  So say, if you got a 455
in your car today, and have the paperwork to prove it, and the law went
into effect tomorrow, you'd have a "pre-existing" condition.  But that
is, ONLY if they have a grandfather clause.  Otherwise, you could only
legally change the engine with that year or newer one, or at the very
minimum pass the smog test for 86 standards.

However, a properly built engine, regardless of size, SHOULD be able to
pass smog.

2 cents,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:31:54 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 1968 98 Conv question.

>Graham:
>
>  As long as you are at it would it be too much to ask about the numbers
>for my 75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible?

>
>Thanks,
>Mark Hahn


Sorry, but Standard Catalog of American Cars omits numbers for the 75 Delta
convertibles, even though (as we know) they were made.  Perhaps this error
is corrected in Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile.  Does anyone out there have
a copy (I don't) to clear this up?

Thanks ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
66 Toronado
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:35:35 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Washer Fluid Bottle

> I have a 70 442 assembled in the Michagan plant.  Does anyone know what color
> washer fluid bottle it should have.

Actually, I BELIEVE it should have the white one.  I say this because
the early '69 models had black ones, then late in the year, they
switched to white.  Why, I don't know.  Maybe a vendor supply problem,
or people bitched about not seeing the fluid level.  So I figure once
they did this, then why would they go back to it?  I have had BOTH
original types in '69s I've had, but haven't personally seen a 70 or
newer that had the black ones.  Not saying they didn't, but I just don't
see the point if they did.  If they made them with both, then I'd go
with the white one, it looks better.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: 13 Oldsmobiles for sale - Middle Tennessee

In the local paper, all disclaimers apply:

'84 Hurst, power sunroof, new tires/brakes, mint $5000.00
(615) 826-2775.

'66 Toronado, 425CI, 68K original miles, #s match, 4x4(?), $2600.00 firm
(931) 920-8376.

'89 Toronado, 3.8L, leather, 112k $4500.00
(615) 395-7529.

'87 Cutlass, hail damage, buckets, t-tops, good title $1000.00
(502) 726-3071.

'85 Cutlass, 307, one owner, excellent condition $4500.00
(931) 551-8535.

'83 Cutlass, no motor, $450.00
(615) 299-0594.

'75 Cutlass, not running, parts car, no title $125.00
(615) 776-5669.

'75 Cutlass parts car, $350.00
(615) 832-3745.

'72 Cutlass w/'72 Cutlass parts car, bucket seats & console, runs good
$1200.00 both
(615) 742-0006.

'62 Super 88, 394 Ultra High Compression, $3000.00
(931) 692-2666.

'77 442, one owner, 350 Rocket, original, high rise buckets, $2700.00
(615) 874-0926.

'83 Regency, needs a little work, $500.00
(931) 648-4486.

and, last, but not least,

'71 442 convertible (red) & W-30 parts, parts cars included, possible trades
$25,000.00 for all (that's right! $25k)
(931) 853-6350.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:18:58 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 71 doors fit????

No way,  The 2-door car has much longer doors and they are frameless at the
windows while the 4-door has a frame for the windows.  The 4-door also has
vents in the front while the 2-doors have no vents.  Any 2-door hardtop of
that year will work though on your convertible.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>will a 71 4 door fit on a 71 c/s convertible?
>dave
>1971 cutlass supreme convertible
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:22:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Warren Whitmore - MHNG/F95 <wwhitmor@acs.ryerson.ca>
Subject: '67 Olds 98 Convertible

I've had the itch lately to buy a car so I've been flipping through the
local papers.  I found an ad you other Toronto area guys might like.  All
the usual disclaimers apply.

From the 1991 and Older Domestics AUTO-TRADER(June 18-June24/98)

	"1967 Oldsmobile 98-conv't w/425cu. in., red rocket eng., mech
A1, needs top & cosmetics.  Rare, leaving country.  Sacrifice at $1200
firm. Call (416) 465-0461. Ask for Danny."

I'll keep my eyes open for anything else Olds related that pops up.

Later

Warren Whitmore (wwhitmor@acs.ryerson.ca)
1975 Delta 88 Royale Hardtop Sedan
Thornhill, Ontario

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:38:02 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Please decipher VIN #

Would someone please decipher this VIN # for me and be SURE to e-mail
me the results PRIVATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  IG3GK4798GP363572

Mike     krzy4evr@usit.net
'86 Supreme
'71 Monte



"Anyone who drives slower than you is an Idiot....
 Anyone who drives faster than you is a Maniac..."

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:47:26 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Fw: Parts Leads  (G body 442)

Hi folks,
           I received this inquiry from my Owner's Registry entry at
Bryceman's site.  If you can offer any assistance, please reply directly
to Lee Bognar at bognar@earthlink.net.  He's not on the list.
Thanks,
Doug N.

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Lee Bognar [SMTP:bognar@earthlink.net]
<mailto:[SMTP:bognar@earthlink.net]>
Sent:	Saturday, June 20, 1998 6:18 PM
To:	newmand@wcbi.com <mailto:newmand@wcbi.com>
Subject:	Parts Leads

I need help getting my brother's 86 442 in shape (He also has a Black on
Grey 87 442 that isn't quite as nice as yours).  His wedding next month
means the 86 has to go, so I offered to help him get her in shape and to
find a good home with an Olds Enthusiast  (I have my financial hands
full with my 70 Pace Car restoration.)  I know he needs the 442 emblems
on the interior door panels and the leather wrap steering wheel.  He may
also need a new set of 442 rims (Ithink they were stolen?)   I'd
appreciate any leads...
				Many Thanks,

				Lee Bognar

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:53:01 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Call From Ashley Jones; Thanks!!

In a message dated 98-06-20 06:29:25 EDT, you write:

<< So for anyone at the Homecoming show who was going to raise it with him,
you can forget about
 doing that now.
  Thanks to the list members who helped me out! >>

Uh, too late.

It was actually D. Brown's "casual" mention of that issue that precipitated
the telephone call. Apparently the explanation is in the method of shipping,
right? I do not know how much I believe it, but I do not know anything about
the rules in that kind of holdup. Plus Mr. Jones sounded sincere to me. Seemed
a nice guy.

But that was distracting me from the otherwise disappointing cruise-in.


Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:56:30 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Questions about compatibility.

G-Body Compatibility Parts...

I realize all G-Bodies can swap basically everything between each other,
but here's a list of questions anyway....

1. Interior Door Panels - How many different door panels were used on
the Pontiac Grand Prix?  Yes, a Pontiac..  I saw a GP with some, and
said "I GOTTA HAVE THOSE".  It was a quick glance...  They seemed to
have all of the power options in the door, so...  Did Pontiac ever mark
their door panels externally, like some of the Cutlasses?

2. Rear Sway Bar...  What will, and won't fit?  Is there one out there
maybe a wee bit better for an 87 Cutlass than an original one for an 87
Cutlass (Mine didn't come with one)

3. Consoles - Yes, we talked about seats, but what about consoles....
Who's work, and who's don't?

4. Sound System - Did anyone besides Buick ever stick speakers in a
door?

5. Cadillac Trunk Enclosures - ANYONE that has added one of these to any
car, E-MAIL me personally, so I can get specs, or "forget it, doesn't
work"  (ithefunki@viperlink.net)

6. Rear window chrome trim for non vinyl rooved cars.  Will any of the
G-Bodies work?

7. Seats..  Back to the Buckets...  Are there any other seats besides
Cutlass seats that will work in a Cutlass?


- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:02:54 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

<<
 4. Sound System - Did anyone besides Buick ever stick speakers in a
 door? >>

Buick did?  When and which models?  All I've ever seen is the crummy 3" front
dash speakers.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-


PS...Oh yeah...if anyone wants an '87 Somerset (GrandAm) clone with a blown
head gasket but a GREAT body and interior, let me know!  :-)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:03:25 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro

                                          C&M Classic Parts
                       1132 Chatmoss Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                (757)474-0869, FAX (757)474-0694
                                         <chermac@exis.net>
                                               OCA# 24275

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm,  Sat 9:00 am - 3:00 pm,  Sunday Closed
*We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.*
Lots of new reproduction parts will be coming out Summer/Fall  98.

                                  GM Restoration Parts
***** 69-72 "W" and "Z" exhaust manifold sets (REPRO) September 98 *****
       We will be test fitting and running them before they are shipping
them to GM for final approval. They will be available exclusively from C&M.
Price is around $285.00 for a set. Different date codes will not be
available at this time. Maybe in the future.

        66-67 "X" and "W" exhaust manifold sets (REPRO) Spring 99

***** Shift Indicators for ALL console A-body 64-75 and 63 Starfires will be
available in July/August. Including Dual Gates.

        66 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $1795.00
        67 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $995.00
        66 & 67 Track Pac kits (complete, just like the dealer option includes;
        shroud, ducts, hoses, cam/lifters, battery accessories) Winter/
Spring 98/99.

TOY'S:
69 442's (HotWheels size, Speed Rebels) Red $1.75 ea
Johnny Lightning Pace Cars
70 442 Pace Car (bronze or teal)  $3.50 ea
74 Hurst/Olds Pace Car (magenta)  $3.50 ea
79 Delta 88 Pace Car (White)  $3.50 ea

Others:
70 GTO Judge (Yellow) $1.75 ea

Models:
67 W-30 442 (Lindberg)  $14.00 ea
67 Hurst Hairy Olds (repro)  $19.00 ea

New Parts:
67-70 Turn Signal Levers (repro)  $26.00 ea
67-70 Tilt Levers (repro)  $26.00 ea
64 442 Air Cleaner (very nice original with nice top plate, want to trade
for 70-72 OAI Breather assm)
65 442 Air Cleaner Top (no base)  $125.00
66-67 442 Air Cleaner (2 units, 1 nice other good)  $85.00 (good)  $165.00
(nice)
66-67 Fan Shroud (mint)  $100.00
67 442 Hood (very nice)  $475.00
68 442 Air Cleaner Heat tube assm (2 pieces)  $30.00
69-72 442 Air Cleaner (correct large snorkel, reg or OAI base)  $185.00
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint LH, N.O.S. RH)  $140.00 pr
69 Cutlass Rear Bumper (nice, no pits, straight)  $110.00
69 Tail light Bezels (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 Head light Housings (mint)  $75.00 pr
69 Head light Bezels (mint)  $65.00 pr
69 Hood Tongue $20.00
70 442/SX Rear Bumper (rechromed)  $275.00
70 Hood Tongue $40.00
70-72 Clock (nice)  $40.00
71-72 Fan Shroud (mint)  $50.00
68-70 W-31 Cam Kits (w/lifters & lube)  $132.00
68-72 License Plate Bracket (Repro)  $26.50
66-72 Lower Alternator Bracket (N.O.S.)  $17.00 ea
66-72 Oil Pressure Sending Unit (With Gauges)  $24.00 ea
64-87 Oil Pressure Sending Unit (W/O Gauges)  $13.00 ea
68-72 1/4 Glass Chrome Moldings (Repro)  $92.00 pr
69-72 Rear Spoiler (3 piece repro)  $255.00
67-75 TH400 Shifter Cable Bracket (Repro)  $28.00
69-72 442 Trunk Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $45.00 set
69-70 442 Hood Numeral Sets  (N.O.S.) $47.00 set
69-72 442 Fender Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $34.00 set
71or72 442 Grille Numeral Sets (repro, either year)  $34.00 set
70-72 Hood Pin Kits (NEW, original supplier, complete) $115.00
66-67 442/Cutlass Drip Rail Moldings (NEW, repro) $78.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint black, post coupe w/o A/C)  $175.00 ea
75 Hurst/Olds-442 Air Cleaner (nice)  $45.00
68-72 4 spd Pedal Assm  $55.00
68-72 Z-bar $45.00 ea
64-66 Z-Bar  $45.00
70-72 350 4 bbl Intake Manifold  $55.00
71-72 442 Hood Emblem (repro, new, Non OAI) $20.00
70-72 OAI Air Cleaner Springs (N.O.S)  $5.00 ea
66-67 TH425 Transaxle  (switchpitch, very good)  $200.00
70-72 14x7 SSI's w/caps & trim rings (4, nice chrome)  $225.00 set
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $75.00
67-68 Dog Dish Hubcaps (3, good) $75.00 for 3
350/455 Oil Pump Screens (NEW)  $13.00 ea
425/455 Toro Oil Pump Screens (NEW)  $20.00 ea
STD Melling Oil Pumps (NEW)  $30.00 ea
Hi Volume Melling Oil Pumps (NEW)  $46.00 ea
68-72 Conv. Windshield molding set (mint)  $125.00 set
68-72 4 spd. Z bar support (bolt on) $15.00
69-72 Seat Backs & Lower Sides (nice orig, black or tan)  $100.00 set
69-70 Console Neutral Safety Switch (w/bracket)  $50.00
64-67 A/C Chrome Dash Bezels (nice)  $40.00 pr
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgates Switch Bezels (mint)  $5.00 ea
330/350 10.5 in x 10 spline Clutch Kits includes Pressure plate, disc,
throwout bearing, alignment tool. (all NEW pieces)  $135.00 + $19.00 core 
charge
400/455 11.0 in x 10 spline Clutch Kits same as above (all NEW pieces)
$135.00 +$19.00 core charge
3&4 Spd. Pilot Bushing (Bronze) new  $7.50 ea
3&4 Spd. HD Roller Pilot Bearing new  $24.50 ea
65-67 425 "D" Block std bore, small lifter bore  $100.00
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/o tilt)  *new*  $24.00
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/tilt) *new*  $22.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $32.00 pr
64-67 330 / 68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW)  $32.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00


New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
64 BIG CAR (N.O.S.) RH Fender  $340.00
64-72 Clutch Inspection covers (N.O.S.)  $22.00 ea
68-72+ TH Torque Converter Cover (Plastic, N.O.S.)  $36.00 ea
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-7? Under Hood Light kits (N.O.S.)  $35.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
73-77 Cutlass/442/Hurst Wiper Switch (N.O.S.)  $22.00

Used Parts:
64 Cutlass/442
64-65 Spinner Hubcab (dual bar, single)  $35.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
64-65 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (mint)  $15.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass Dash Emblem (mint)  $20.00
64-65 Spinner Hubcab (dual bar, single)  $35.00
65 Cutlass 4 Door Rear Wheelwell Die cast pieces (front)  $20.00 pr
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  LH/RH rear $15.00 ea
64-65 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (mint)  $15.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 Cutlass-67 Cutlass/442 Fenders (Arizona parts, nice)  $500.00 pr
66-67 Dash Insert (painted)  $45.00
66-67 Inner Fender Plastic Clips $1.00 ea
66 442 Trunk Chrome Panels  $200.00 ea
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Emblem $10.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Molding  $20.00
66 Fender Eybrows (nice, no pits)  $35.00 pr
66 Spinner Hubcap (Tri bar, single)  $20.00
66 Floor Shift Steering Column Collars $10.00 ea
66-67 330 4 bbl Intake  $40.00
66-67 Clocks  $40.00 ea
66 F-85 Deluxe/Cutlass Steering Wheel Center (w/hub) $20.00
66 Cutlass Supreme Dash Emblem (very nice)  $20.00
66 F-85 Deluxe Dash Emblem (nice)  $5.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Molding  $35.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
66 Cutlass Trunk Molding (very good)  $45.00
66 Cutlass Tail Light Bezels (very good)  $85.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66 Cutlass-67 Cutlass/442 Fenders (Arizona parts, nice)  $500.00 pr
66-67 Dash Insert (painted)  $45.00
66-67 Inner Fender Plastic Clips $1.00 ea
67 442 Trunk Panel (beautiful)  $200.00
66-67 330 4 bbl Intake  $40.00
67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers $35.00 set
66-67 Clocks  $40.00 ea
67 Cutlass Dash Emblem (good)  $10.00
67 Cutlass Supreme Dash Emblems (2 very nice)  $20.00 ea
67 442/Cutlass Front Bumper Guards  $15.00 pr
67 Remote Mirror (good, not great)  $20.00
67 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (good chrome) $15.00
67 Cutlass Supreme/442 Steering Wheel Centers (mint)  $35.00
67 Fender End Caps  $30.00 pr
67 4 spd Speedometer Adapter (3.42 gears & 4spd)  $45.00
67 Plain Cutlass Holiday Hardtop interior door panels and rear sides (very
nice, blue/green) $85.00 set of 4
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $100.00
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $100.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $165.00

68 Cutlass/442
68-69 442/W-30 400 Intake Manifold  $50.00
68 Cutlass/442 Backup Lens (nice)  $22.00 pr
68 Trunk Vinyl Top Molding & Plate  $25.00
68 2 bbl Air Cleaner  $20.00
68-69 Cutlass/442 Post Coupe LH Door  $85.00
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $55.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $25.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Sets (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
68-69 442/W-30 400 Intake Manifold  $50.00
69 Convertible Trunk Lid (nice)  $150.00
69 Turn Signal Lens (nice)  $25.00 pr
69 Front Grille Center Filler (between grilles)  $8.00
69 Full Hubcaps (nice)  $35.00 set
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
69 Cutlass RH Grille (nice, used)  $40.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $200.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70 Fender Eybrows (nice, no pits)  $45.00 pr
70 RH Rally 350 grille (repaired, nice)  $75.00
70 LH/RH Hood "L" moldings (few small pits under side, nice) $95.00 pr
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $200.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $185.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Side Marker Lights (mint)  $70.00 set
71 LH Cutlass Supreme Grille (nice)  $85.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $285.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
72 Tail Light Lens  $13.00 ea

73 and Newer and Big Car Parts:
Late 73-74 Olds HEI distributors (non cumputer, w/cap and coil)  $45.00 ea
73-75 442 Console and Shifter (Maroon)  $120.00
73-77 Omega Floor Shift Tilt  $65.00
75 Omega Front Fenders (very nice pair)  $180.00 pr
75 Omega Bucket Seats (nice, maroon cloth)  $85.00 pr
66-67 Toronado Rear Bumper (very nice)  $150.00
66 Toro Batman Steering Wheel, Tilt/Tele column (black, very nice)  $145.00
72 Delta 88 Qtr End caps  $25.00 pr
72 Delta 88/ Ninety Eight Owners Manual (nice) $5.00
62 Super 88 Tail Panel Chrome  (good)  $25.00
62 Super 88 Grille (good)  $50.00
62 Big Car (88, 98, Starfire) Front Bumper (straight, very good)  $125.00


New reproduction parts:
Convertible Top Boots (Correct Grains for each different year)  $85.00ea
64  Black, Red, Lt. Blue, Fawn, Saddle, Turqoise, White
65  Same as 64
66-67 Black, Red, Light Blue, Med. Blue, Bronze, Turqoise, White, Gold
68-72 Black, Red, Parchment, Lt. Blue, Teal Blue, Green Gold, Gold, Pearl,
Dk Blue, Dk. Green, Lt. Green, Lt. Saddle, Dk Saddle, Olive Green, Royal
Blue, White, Sandalwood,

Molded Carpet Sets  $95.00
64-67 - (Black, Red, Med. Blue, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Maroon)
68-72 - (Black, Red, Maroon, Turqoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Med. Blue, Dk. Green,
Green Gold, Lt. Green, Teal Blue, Saddle, Sandalwood)
73-77 - (Same as 68-72 except Green Gold)

Door Panels  64-72  $Inquire

Seat Covers  64-72  $345.00 front and rear sets any year or color.

Vinyl Dash Overlays (makes your wood dash areas look like carbon fiber)
$50.00 set

Lifetime Guarantee on all correct bead window felts  $92.00 set (inner & outer)
66-67 2 dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (correct bead type)
68-72 2 dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (not Supreme Coupes, correct bead)

Replacement Window Felts (Flat type)  $60.00 set (inner & outer)
64-72 Cutlass/442 (state year and model)

Glove Box Liners
64-67 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99
68-69 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99
70-72 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99

Qrt Seals
70-72 Cutlass Supreme & Conv Qtr End seals  $13.00 pr

Hood Insulation
64-65 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
67 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
68-70 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner (wclips)  $18.00
70-72 Cutlass Supreme Hood Liner (w/clips)  $18.00
73-77 Cutlass $28.00

Liner Clips
Round Clips  $1.00 ea
Square Clips  $1.00 ea

A-Arm Shields
68-72 Upper A-Arm dust shields  $14.99 pr

Odds and Ends (not Olds, but GM parts we have lying around)
68-71 Buick GS Ram Air air cleaner assm  $150.00
70-72 Buick AM/FM Stereo $150.00
71-72 Chevelle SS Emblem Kit (complete car, N.O.S. and Repro, includes door
panel SS N.O.S. emblems)  $140.00
64-65 Pontiac Chrome Valve Covers  $45.00 pr
Mid 60's Pontiac Dog Dish Hubcaps (nice)  $80.00 set

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:19:10 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

In a message dated 98-06-20 23:00:52 EDT, you write:

<<
 1. Interior Door Panels - How many different door panels were used on
 the Pontiac Grand Prix?  Yes, a Pontiac..  I saw a GP with some, and
 said "I GOTTA HAVE THOSE".  It was a quick glance...  They seemed to
 have all of the power options in the door, so...  Did Pontiac ever mark
 their door panels externally, like some of the Cutlasses?
  >>

I'm that guy that has nothing in common with this list other than the 403 in
my TA. For three weeks now, I have not been able to bring myself to canceling
my subscription because I know eventually someone will ask a TA question. But
for now, this one is close enough. That feeling of "I GOTTA HAVE THOSE"  hit
me at the junkyard last year when I peeked into the interior of a (bad guess)
'84 Delta 98 (or 88)?!?!?. All I know is I needed front AND rear seats for my
'62 Catalina. Ok, so the front seats will ALWAYS go in a car if you have a
clue. But when I put the back seat in without any mods, people freaked. Don't
get me wrong, plush, power seats in the front are sweet, but it's the back
seat that looks like an overstuffed sofa that gets all the attention from
everyone. I swear, even though the car is a pile, I could sell it on the seats
alone, for a few grand. So, my point is, interchangability doesn't have to
stay within body class. Get the tape measure, and go balls out. I could have
never found an iterior this nice in the Poncho family. Make those door panels
fit. peace,
Kerry

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:28:27 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Ninety Eight Cvt... How Many?

well peter are you going to part out the ht 67???? i want the seats for my
delta...

ha ha.... later mr pres...

did you check on the convertible in toccoa that steve told you about....

 later jeff,...

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:44:12 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 65 F-85 vin decode and available options.

Aha!

1965 Vin decode (oh, sorry, VIN)!
I should be able to do that even with Lansing sunburn!

<<  65 F-85, supposedly had a 425 in it. >>

Could happen, they put 400's in those with the 4 4 2 package.
Posibly a special order?

<< Traction bars of some sort under it (even with coil springs.  Hmm)  >>

Hmmm....What?
I think all 65 cars were 4 wheel coils (and drums).
"Traction bars"?
Like the "ladder" racing type?
Is that odd for a car with coils?

<<  VIN goes 33427_5Z######  Which works
 out to (my closest guess, at least)

<< 3-Olds >>     and how!!
I actually would *love* to get my hands on a 330 F-85!
to continue......

3 -   means F-85 series
4 -   means V-8 power plant
27 -  body code - means Club Coupe
was there a digit here?
5 - 1965 (if the 6th digit)
Z -  Fremont, CA

<< Looks like a posi tag on the axle.  >>

Points off for Ch*tty talk! slash!

<< Steering column is gone, and I didn't see any other evidence pointing to
what
 once resided under that big tranny hump. >>

Since you postulate....

The Club Coupe seems to have been available with....

V-8's in 8.3:1, 9:1, and 10.25:1 as an optional extra!
(Either L-74 or L-76)

The 3-speed synchromesh was standard with an optional variable-vane Junkaway
???
Perhaps they mean TH-400.
A high performance 4-speed was also available for all models except the 98.

Diff codes for F-85's are SA - SY   <-- sorry, 1965.
These are;
SA - 2.78:1
SB - LIMITED SLIP !!!!
SC - 3.08:1
SD - limited slip
SE - 3.23:1
SF - limited slip
SI - 3.55:1
SJ - limited slip

And SM - SY are for F-85 station wagons and run from 3.08:1 to 3.55:1

((Jim Bauman's letters were stolen by an F-85 wagon?????))

At any rate....

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:58:26 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: 1965 Regular gas option

I do not believe that this was completely answered.

The regular gasoline engine option (for no additional cost in V-8 cars)
was a 9:1 compression 330 cid that made 250hp and 335ft-lbs torque

This was likely to be a "2" block with "1" heads.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:56:45 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Lansdale car show

Just returned from the Lansdale, PA car show - 3 H/O cars - a 66 L69
4 speed car - 2 67' 442 drop tops with tic-toc-tach - and a 68,69,70,71 and
72 442 - I WAS SHOCKED ?????

                The General

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:22:07 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

MNManiac@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<
>  4. Sound System - Did anyone besides Buick ever stick speakers in a
>  door? >>
>
> Buick did?  When and which models?  All I've ever seen is the crummy 3" front
> dash speakers.

They did in their concert sound models.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:24:58 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

DiscoOzzy@aol.com wrote:

> never found an iterior this nice in the Poncho family. Make those door panels
> fit. peace,

I just wanna know if Poncho stuck Grand Prix on the door panels
anywhere, I saw it from a distance.

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:50:44 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

>DiscoOzzy@aol.com wrote:
>
>> never found an iterior this nice in the Poncho family. Make those door 
panels
>> fit. peace,
>
>I just wanna know if Poncho stuck Grand Prix on the door panels
>anywhere, I saw it from a distance.

I don't know if they say "Grand Prix" on them but you can probably either
cover or remove the lettering.  Most of the door panel emblems I've seen
look like they either glue or bolt on.  In my Calais, the emblems  go on
with speed nuts.  If you opt for Grand Prix door panels you could remove the
emblems and then hide the holes with something.  I'd try and cover them with
a cutlass emblem, a rocket emblem, etc.

As for seeing if they fit, you could just go to a pick-a-part 'yard and try
and swap them on a couple of junkers.  Find a nice Grand Prix door panel you
like and see if it fits in place of door panel on a junker cutlass.  If it
doesn't work then leave and tell 'em you didn't find any door panels you
liked in decent condition.  :)

My $.02.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:14:55 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: Re: Radial T/As

I found that T/A's stick OK, but when you do break traction you can wind up
in the ditch. This happened even with comps. The Eagle GT directional Z's
stick about the same, but they will drift very nicely, even in the rain. I
could drift around a freeway curve in the rain and my passenger would not
even notice that we were breaking traction... Don't try this with T/A's. I
should include my standard disclaimer here - if you drive like a sane
person you won't notice the difference.

Any tire will put you in the ditch during the first rain after a dry spell.
All you can do is pretend like you're driving a motorhome.

At 04:02 PM 6/18/98 -0400, Steve Ochs wrote:
>Message text written by Jason
>>I love the T/A's.  They're excellent all around tires. <
>
>My 1987 442 came with Goodyear Eagle GTs (P215-65R15).  When I had about
>3000 miles on it, I encountered a rainstorm while on the highway.  Anything
>above 40 mph and the car was all over the road.  Also, starting from a
>stoplight in the rain was terrible (all that torque from the 307 :) with
>the 3.73 rear axle.)  I immediately changed to Radial T/As and was never
>happier.  Much better traction in the rain, rides smoother, no
>hydroplaning, better snow traction (yes - I had to drive it during the
>first winter in 1988).  My first set lasted 42,000 miles.  Best all around
>tire that I have driven for the price with raised white letters.
>
>Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
>Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
>The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
>statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>'96 DCM - NAISSO Member #1365 - '87 442
>
'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:04:22 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: no spark -nostart  -need help!

hi all...i recently expirenced a fire  due to faulty fuel filter,well, i've
gotten the wiring done,and carb cleaned up,i install a new cap,rotor&wires, a
new unilite module and new promaster coil  wired it all up, just like it was
when running,but i can crank the starter but i'm not getting spark from the
coil,i checked the + &- - at the coil and i'm getting power there so what 's
going on/not going on really!!!!thanks in advance.....w31sleeper@aol.com (
rob)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:31:02 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: no spark -nostart  -need help!

Rob says:

<< but i can crank the starter but i'm not getting spark from the
 coil,i checked the + &- - at the coil and i'm getting power there  >>

O.K.

Good start.

But what I think you mean is that your cylinders are not firing.

You next need to check the plugz for spark, and maybe the coil-dist wire for
continuity (coil power reaching dist?).

If you are getting some spark (prolly not) what color spark (related to how
much power, right?).

I missed the post about the fire.
You say you replaced cap, rotor, wires, module, and coil.
I take that to mean a HEI setup.
Karl not know HEI.

What about the dist. body/shaft itself? Did the fire get near it?

Just some ideas.
Sorry, probably no real help.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:47:08 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Questions about compatibility.

Greg Pruett wrote:

> As for seeing if they fit, you could just go to a pick-a-part 'yard and try
> and swap them on a couple of junkers.  Find a nice Grand Prix door panel you
> like and see if it fits in place of door panel on a junker cutlass.  If it
> doesn't work then leave and tell 'em you didn't find any door panels you
> liked in decent condition.  :)

I don't doubt they'll fit, I think that someone else in here, either
currently, or past tense has(d) GP door panelling in a Cutlass, so I
don't doubt it would work...  The only things I primary have to look at
are the handle location, the lock location, and I am thinking the doors
themselves are mass produced to basically fit just about any G-Body

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 01:01:59 -0500
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: Window Tint

Well, I got my car back from the window tinting place on Friday.  I got my
'78 CS tinted with 80/20 in the back and 65/35 on the doors.  You can still
see inside, and I would have liked it to be darker, but it is already past
the legal limit.  Wisconsin law says the darkest legal tint is 50/50 on the
front door windows and 65/35 back.

(xx/yy - the xx is the percent of light blocked out, the yy is the visible
light allowed through)

For 5 windows (front doors, qtr. windows, and rear window) plus $5 for
removing tint from one qtr. window came to $170.  A little high, but it
comes with a lifetime warranty and I like the way it looks, and the fact
that UV rays won't fade my interior (just redyed everything).

In other news, I have moved to digest mode.

Robert F. Newbegin Jr.     1978 Cutlass Supreme W-19      senator@itis.com
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