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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, July 11 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1360



RE:  Caddy Gear
Re: 394 Vibrational damper
Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper
Dog Hall of Fame (incl non-GM)
Clayton's Dilemma
Re: Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
Re: Blower on an Olds engine
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET - NON Olds
Re: Slow vehicles
Re: REVENGE IS SWEET
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re:
Re: Dog Hall of Fame (incl non-GM)
Re: All the "me too" postings...
Camaro List server?  (Non Olds)
Clayton's Choices
Trunk Mats (was: Re: Firefrost response from advisor)
Repro Mirrors
Re: Intake Gasket Q (fwd)
Re: Most Underpowered  Car
Re: Ring and Pinion
Re: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: emblem removal
Re: Unicase 350's
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: Ring and Pinion
Re: Trunk Mats (was: Re: Firefrost response from advisor)
To:	olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Seat bushing/mid 80's 60/40
left eyebeow
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Underpowered Cars
Re:
Re: Nats. suggestion: when and where to meet
Nitewatch?
Re: Red Inner Fenders
to the g-body people- parts wanted
Re: Unicase 350's
Re: Nitewatch?
Springfield
Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic
Re: Blower on an Olds engine
Re: Unicase 350's
Hello! :)
Re: Unicase 350's
Slowest GM car?  The Turtle!
66 trunk torsion bars
Re: All the "me too" postings
Re: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro
Running hot!!!
Tribute!
Re: Running hot!!!
Re: Running hot!!!
Running hot!!! - Are you sure?
FOR SALE! 62 olds F-85
Re: Running hot!!! - Are you sure?
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: Tribute!
Re: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper
pick up my goodie bag at Nats?
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: Running hot!!!
need another Olds
Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper
Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper
Clayton's Dilemma

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:17:01 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  Caddy Gear

Forgot one important point, they are ALL 7.5in.  Sorry, that one slipped
my mind.....Well, run em til they break!  Then go for another!

(And that is 77-96 B/D cars can use the cad rear)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:27:47 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 394 Vibrational damper

In a message dated 98-07-10 01:05:19 EDT, you write:

<<
 Can I (in good conscience) supply the owner of a 1961 car with the damper
from
 a 1964 car?
  >>
Hi Carl
   Parts book breaks these down as follows
59-60 ex air
59-60  w/air
61  ex air
61  w/air
62  w air
62  ex air
63-64 w/air
63-64  ex air
    If GM seperates them like this it must be for a reason, I'd be carefull.
Of coarse
the only difference between air and non air was 2 or three pulleys

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Olds

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:35:51 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper

In a message dated 98-07-10 03:18:09 EDT, you write:

<< It's worth the concern as there was two different 394s as far as rebuild
kits go. >>

Uh-oh.
I am set to go a-damper-pullin' tomorrow.

I will have a quick look through "Setting the Pace", but that is not as
specific about the engines as I might like.

Anybody know offhand why two different rebuild kits?

HOPEFULLY the reciprocating parts are exactly the same, but now Karl worried.

Rebuild kit.....hmmm. This might indicate different gaskets. Possibly only for
later cylinder heads.

Anybody know differences between early/late 394's?

Thanks for the info Burling!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:06 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Dog Hall of Fame (incl non-GM)

The '78 Ford Fairmont 4-dr station wagon, with factory A/C and Pinto 4
cylinder engine.  Trying to merge onto an interstate hwy was to risk death.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:53:48 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Clayton's Dilemma

<< as a '65 full-size is a bit much to use for a daily driver ;-) >>

Hiya Clayton!

Suprised to find you are overwhelmed at the thought of a Cutlass -whoops!
Pardon me, wrong name, it is rather  - an F-85 on a daily basis.

Would you be kind enough to put me in touch with the seller?

Providing that you as a student go with the '84 88. You should be able to cure
the knocking and it  will give you the best mileage of the lot.

Besides, you gotta be careful with those loans! Man am I ever paying for
carelessness with mine!

Karl

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:05:32 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Frosty, Scarlet and Mr. Ada's Page

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> As for those seats -- I dunno Chris, they don't look like anything I've
> ever seen in an Olds of that vintage. They don't look like Supreme seats
> either, which was my first thought. Unless someone proves me wrong I'd go
> out on a limb and say they were redone somewhere along the way.

I think you're right, Greg.  They definately aren't factory equipment
(Sorry, Chris.)  As far as leather/cloth use goes in '68, the Oldsmobile
color and upholstery manual says the only model to have that option was
the Ninety Eight Luxury Sedan with the optional Royale interior trim,
and it was only available in black.  All other models used Morroceen
(vinyl) and cloth combinations.  Too bad I don't have a scanner, Chris,
I could send you some great shots from the color/upholstery album.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:03:37 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

Peter,

I have raced Olds 350's here in Kansas City on our local asphalt circle track.
With proper parts selection, machining, and assembly you can run an Olds small
block up to around 6800 RPM - where we have raced our engines.  The parts
vendor we recommend is Dave Smith Engineering in Corona, California (909)
371-7040.  Dave and Karen are more than happy to help you select the parts to
get that Olds running well.  I'm sure there are some listmembers from your
neck o' the woods that can suggest a reputable and experienced Olds machine
shop.  I found an article that listed the Olds 350 as being slightly lighter
than a C-word 350, don't know if that's believeable or not.

If there's any questions you have that I can help you with, don't hesitate to
drop me a note.  In fact, this entire list can be a great reference tool - use
it!

Best Wishes,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/index.htm

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:11:56 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Blower on an Olds engine

Bryceman,

I just have to ask, is the engine going to be installed in that "restoration
project" at the bottom of the page?????????  :-)

I have to vouch for Chris Witt's business - he gives you plenty for your
money's worth.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:12:53 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET - NON Olds

Here's another /good/ subject to run the search engine on.............Death
Fun...........there is some pretty morbid sh*t out there.......not for the
sqweeemish...........don't ask how I found out about it.....The point is , If
you don't want to hear, read about, or see anything in particular, then don't
go there !!

Ryan (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:16:05 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Slow vehicles

>  Ran on 8, 6, or 4 cylinders depending on load.

Heh heh...  kinda sounds like a ch*vy...  Oh, you mean they're ~supposed~ to do
that?  :)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:15:37 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: REVENGE IS SWEET

In a message dated 98-07-10 04:15:06 EDT, you write:

<<    If you know he drives at night, get 150 ft of 1/2 inch braided cable
 with locking retainers, wrap around axle, drive shaft, bumper, etc,  attach
 other end to to stationary object,  i.e., telephone pole, guard rail,
 another car, etc, OR run it through several other car windows, around drive
 shafts, through a building window and finally to a steel 50 lb dumbell
 plate.

     Carefully remove all lug nuts from wheels. >>




Uh, If the wheels fall off how does this little gag work?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:17:42 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

My work truck, 1980 Chevrolet half ton pickup has a straight 6 and
overdrive...never seem to need that gear though.........

Ryan (M Fatz II@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:28:20 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

The 442 did not come with red fender liners only the W30 cars.  There is a
difference between the 1968/1969 to the 1970 red fender liners.  The 70's have
more tire clearence.

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> does anyone know if these were available as dealer installed items in 69 my
> 442 has them no cutouts and in pretty bad shape as in old they look well
> worn the car also is not a lansing car it is a fremont car the
> car was not well taken care of and has not been restored until now if these
> were available I will try to save them if not would you guys suggest
> returning to black?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:33:09 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re:

Pop the bottom of the fender out , find a kid with small hands and have him or
her help with the emblem.

dbennett@asu.edu wrote:

> Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
> front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
> bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
> fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for a
> paint job on my daily driver.
>
> Dan Bennett
> '72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:34:16 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Dog Hall of Fame (incl non-GM)

I nominate the 1934 Hupmobile, With wooden wheels, and mechanical brakes would
you believe that the speedo was rated to 80 MPH???

Fred Orcutt wrote:

> The '78 Ford Fairmont 4-dr station wagon, with factory A/C and Pinto 4
> cylinder engine.  Trying to merge onto an interstate hwy was to risk death.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:33:10 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings...

Somebody wrote:
me too.  So did someone else.  Then someone new went and paraphrased the same
thing.  Then someone went and decided ~not~ to say anything, but posted it
anyway.  Man.  Last night I nominated myself for the #1 bandwidth waster, after
sending the "REVENGE" addendum to the list instead of privately to John.  I
think I may have been passed up!  This topic is definately a valid one, 
however,
because the ~simple~ "mee toooo" posts are strongly discouraged, and always 
have
been.  While I ~did~ laugh when I read Kerry's post, I kinda had to hold it
in...   The "me too" issue seems to come up every couple months, things get a
little lax, etc.  Personally, I don't mind the extra messages, because I've got
room for 'em.  Many don't.  Especially those who read their mail on a business
account.  I've seen people unsub just because the message flow was too high, 
and
the boss told 'em "no more."  Anyway, it's always been a guideline to avoid the
"me too's" at all costs, and some of us have other guidelines posted for all 
to
read.  You can see these by clicking on the link at the bottom of this page.

By the way, "Not me" is almost the same as "me too" so for whatever that's
worth.  Now, I don't want to overlimit anything, because there are occasionally
times when the "me too" ~is~ appropriate.  They're rare, but in light 
moderation
it's not a crime.  It's when everyone starts doing it that things get clogged
up.  And someone has a problem because of it, and asks to stop.  And flames
begin needlessly.  And someone else has to go and write three pages of "why
not's" to combat the situation.

Oh well, at least I didn't quote the rest of the thread on top of it all!  :)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:44:51 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Camaro List server?  (Non Olds)

     Anyone come accross any crossposts fro a camaro listserver?  I am in
posession of a 1995 Camaro that I am parting out and really don't want to start
a flame war in oldsmobile?
  Thanks,

      Peter

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:15:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Clayton's Choices

Hi Clayton,

On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Clayton Pierce wrote:
> 1965 Cutlass 2dr. 330 V8, console/buckets, needs resto, runs good $800
> might be able to talk down a bit.

Gotta be worth that. From a $ perspective this might be the best bet. But
you're talking a 30+ y/o car to use as a driver, drum brakes, sloppy
steering, etc. Might be more of a hobby car.

> 1976 442, almost no options, body been hot-rodded, original engine replace
> by 454 ChXvy BB, runs good, $500, might be able to talk down a bit.

Not for me.

> 1976 Cutlass Supreme 2dr. well optioned, T-tops, Olds 350, 4bbl, 67k miles
> says runs good, $400 might be able to talk down a bit.

Sounds too good. Watch out for rust on those, thirsty on gas, otherwise
might not be bad.

> 1984 Delta 88 2dr. well optioned, sunroof, body, paint, interior nice,
> says motor knocking bad, $300, may be able to talk down some.

If all you need is a motor then a $300 junkyard motor will give you a
nice $600 car.


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:18:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Trunk Mats (was: Re: Firefrost response from advisor)

On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Mike Rothe. wrote:
> KURT KARCH wrote:
> > TRAILER TO HEAD FOR SPRINGFIELD. IL NEXT WEDNESDAY.  BY THE WAY, DID YOU
> > KNOW YOU CURRENTLY CANNOT BUY TRUNKMATS FOR 68 -72 CUTLASSES?   EVIDENTLY
> > THE MATERIAL IS NOT MANUFACTURED ANY MORE.  ..... HARD TO BELIEVE.....

I think he means the '70-'72 mats with the gray-green fiber (earlier ones
used a rubberized material which is still around). I heard that there
were environmental problems or the like which prevented this stuff from
being made any more. Hard to believe no one could come up with a
reasonable facsimilie.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:25:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Repro Mirrors

If anyone is thinking about getting one of the repro mirrors made by
Fusick's for their Cutlass, let me vouch for the product. I picked one up
from them last week and it looks beautiful. And, the socket is nice and
stiff so that the thing doesn't droop down at highway speed. Only
difference from original I can see is that it doesn't have the small
lettering (mine said DM-8, whatever that means) that the originals had on
the glass. Now with it alongside my newly installed NOS right side mirror
the Cutlass looks quite sharp!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:30:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Intake Gasket Q (fwd)

My' 68 had apparently original 2-piece intake gaskets with no valley pan.
When we put it back together we used the one-piece gasket. I don't think
it makes much difference, though I like the idea of the one piece with
valley pan to keep oil and heat away from the bottom of the intake.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:36:23 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered  Car

The most underpowered car I've personally driven happened only a few months
ago.  Was walking through the parking lot of U-Save, one of our local
supermarkets.  Spotted a BEAUTIFUL '77 Cutlass Supreme with a "For Sale" sign
in the windshield.  This was a true "grandma's car."  Only 29,000 miles and in
perfect shape.  But almost NO options...the cheap vinyl interior, AM radio,
and...UGH!...the 231 V-6.  In a pre-downsized Cutlass?  (My dad had a smaller
'79 Regal and it was enough of a dog in there!)  Just couldn't do it.  0-60 in
about 3 days.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:41:52 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

> take a pinion from a 4.10 and put it on the ring from a 3.42 and make > it a
4.10 with out using the ring from the other 4.10 unit.

OK, I read all the other reactions and I didn't see the point I expected, so
I'll add here.  I don't know about the ~specific~ gearset mentioned, but when I
swapped my 2.29 to 2.73, I noticed the pinion gear was identical.  They would
interchange.  Of course, the risk of noise is high, and you'll have to set the
gearset up just like a new one.  The problem ~I~ have with the whole situation,
is "why?"  Here's the deal.  You can pull the ring gear out in a short time.
Then spend another hour or so getting the pinion out.  Then put a different
pinoin in, and the ~old~ ring gear in?  Nope.  Not me.  If I could pull the 
ring
gear out and replace it with a new one, to get a decent ratio, I might consider
the option of not spending the couple hours pulling the driveshaft and pinion,
and reinstalling another one.  But if I've got the pinion out, it's obvious 
I've
also got the ring gear out, so why, at this point, would I want to start mixing
things up?  Unless I'm looking at a damaged part.  In that case, it's so so so
likely that both pieces are damaged, since they're so well wear-matched.  I 
just
don't see it being worth the time.  It might ~work~, but I can't see any
appreciable benefit in it.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:49:59 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 394 Vibrational damper

Gold from Everett:

<<    Parts book breaks these down as follows
 59-60 ex air
 59-60  w/air
 61  ex air
 61  w/air
 62  w air
 62  ex air
 63-64 w/air
 63-64  ex air
     If GM seperates them like this it must be for a reason, I'd be carefull..
the only difference between air and non air was 2 or three pulleys  >>>

Well, I have to differ slightly.
Other parts I would expect to be different;

radiator
ducting (esp in dashboard)
brackets and overall arrangement of compressor and gen/alt
  - related to this is the New-Matic air shocks introduced in 1958 and
       killed after 1959 which involved a compressor and separator
       on the front of the driver's side of the block

suspention and frame design would also differ over the years, especially in
the 1960's

This leaves the early 1960's.

Hopefully not too much changed engine-wise then!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:51:47 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: emblem removal

its easy they are called "barrel fasteners" they are in the auveco catalog
and your local body shop should be able to get them for you
they are similar to plastic screw anchors for drywall but are made out of
metal with springs similar to the (and I risk not being PC here) female side
of a snap ask for them by name not available in stores as seen on TV if you
cant find them drop me a line and I'll see if I can hook you up.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Surmise@aol.com <Surmise@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 3:03 PM
Subject: emblem removal


>I'm also having difficulty removing the 442 from the front panels.  How do
the
>restoration folks put emblems back on so they can pull them off to wax that
>area?
>
>John
>Surmise@aol.com
>67 442

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:56:54 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Unicase 350's

Ken,
     I don't think the Unicase trannies are very common..out of 4 Olds/Chevys
that vintage I have swapped trannies on, only one had the unicase, and like I
said earlier, it was a V-6. Maybe only BOPC used that pattern of housing, and
only on certain vehicles, why? I would also like to know that.   Dorian

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:17 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

perhaps I didnt make myself clear the 442 was manufactured in fremont it has
red wells it is a 69 and the wells do not have the cutouts for the OAI hoses
they look really old like they have been there for a long time could they
have been ordered from a dealer and installed after the fact I realize they
are not factory I was just curious if they were available as a crash part or
a replacement

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:03:21 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Ring and Pinion

ok

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:06:40 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Trunk Mats (was: Re: Firefrost response from advisor)

68 had hounds tooth aqua and black mrubber mat the 69 and later had the
fibre always thought the stuff was silly anyway for a trunk and rubber was
more utilitarian but that sucks anyway.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 5:41 PM
Subject: Trunk Mats (was: Re: Firefrost response from advisor)


>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Mike Rothe. wrote:
>> KURT KARCH wrote:
>> > TRAILER TO HEAD FOR SPRINGFIELD. IL NEXT WEDNESDAY.  BY THE WAY, DID
YOU
>> > KNOW YOU CURRENTLY CANNOT BUY TRUNKMATS FOR 68 -72 CUTLASSES?
EVIDENTLY
>> > THE MATERIAL IS NOT MANUFACTURED ANY MORE.  ..... HARD TO BELIEVE.....
>
>I think he means the '70-'72 mats with the gray-green fiber (earlier ones
>used a rubberized material which is still around). I heard that there
>were environmental problems or the like which prevented this stuff from
>being made any more. Hard to believe no one could come up with a
>reasonable facsimilie.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:14:09 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: To:	olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>

this goes to the entire group.

Sorry for the "me too" comment but after reading the original how could I
resist? I had no    well   I may have had an idea that someone else would
follow suit but c'est la vie try to be original and what does it get you
anyway the amount of how to fix gm postings is getting out of hand so i dont
even read them anymore I am new and really like the list. it has been a real
help for tech issues and parts finders so keep it up and dont be too hard on
the "me too" guys I was just having fun......kk

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:20:53 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Seat bushing/mid 80's 60/40

Has anyone found a decent (or any?) source for the plastic bushing on the
seat-back hinge for the mid 80's split bench?  It's the one at the middle next
to the armrest, originally a one piece plastic bushing, usually ends up in four
or five pieces, like the door hinge bushings do, too...

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:16:27 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: left eyebeow

hey I need the left eyebrow moulding for a 69 cutlass/442 any help?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:42:59 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

My first car...a '81 Camaro...it had a 265 V8 with a electronic 2V carb...it
would do
85mph in first gear...and second...and third...you get my drift...LOL!

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:52:21 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

At 09:42 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>My first car...a '81 Camaro...it had a 265 V8 with a electronic 2V carb...it
>would do
>85mph in first gear...and second...and third...you get my drift...LOL!
>

I would have loved a 265 :) in my '79 Caprice 4 door . It only had a 229 V6

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:21:24 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Underpowered Cars

THE slowest car ever?...My wifes '66 Mustang with it's 200 I6...top
speed?...72mph...quartermile?...Dont know, foot got tired...LOL

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:26:09 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re:

65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:41:26 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Nats. suggestion: when and where to meet

let's meet in swap meet area (under cover) at everett horton's spot...

tell every one olds guy ga..

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:53:37 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Nitewatch?

Ok, all youse heros out there, I'll ask the question that some of you, like
me, are just dyin to ask: What the heck is a Nitewatch option, please?

(I guess I don't get question #1 right :~)

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Cote, Jeffrey
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 9:28 AM
> To: 'OLDSMOBILE@CHEBUCTO.NS.CA'
> Subject: Test Your Knowledge - Question 1
>
>
>
> TEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE
> The game show that identifies who the Oldsmobile
> Gurus actually are and who just think they are. Questions
> must include year and model, since answers may vary.
> Please include a Sureness Factor (SF) with your answer.
> The Sureness Factor is based on how sure you are your
> answer is correct. SF can only range from 1 to 10 with 10
> ten being completely sure (ie found it in Chassis manual).
> The difficulty rating follows the same format with 10 being
> impossible. Answers may not be one-word. An explanation
> must follow. Winners will receive a lifetime supply of praise
> and adulation (and maybe a toaster).
>
> Question No: 1
> Topic: Options
> Difficulty Rating: 7
> Question: For a '72 Cutlass, was the Nitewatch option
> available to be ordered on the car at the dealership with
> a rallye guage package option?
>
>
>
> --Jeff Cote
> 69 Cutlass S conv
> 70 Cutlass Supreme conv
> 72 Cutlass Supreme h/t
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:50:31 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> perhaps I didnt make myself clear the 442 was manufactured in fremont it has
> red wells it is a 69 and the wells do not have the cutouts for the OAI hoses
> they look really old like they have been there for a long time could they
> have been ordered from a dealer and installed after the fact I realize they
> are not factory I was just curious if they were available as a crash part or
> a replacement

Kerry,
The 68-69 red fenderwells were available as a replacement part from the dealers
(401162 L & 401163 R).

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:23:16 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: to the g-body people- parts wanted

jason
tim
tom

and others,

(from the rust under the carpet guy...)

I got a set of TA/Firebird  buckets that I'm replacing my factory buckets
with ( hopefully)

at the nationals/anniversary last year I bought the power seat mechanism
off a guy that said that it came out of his 78-80 cutlass.  upon mating the
mechanism to the driver's seat bottom (after removing the f-body brackets)
the fit was a little "off the mark"
it seemed that although the f-body seats hold you better the my factory
buckets--- the mount on the seat bottom was narrower.
about  1" (three bolts went in, but the forth was really though and the
mechanism(s) seem "cocked" and not straight up & down)
 the mechanism does fit the factory floor mounts perfectly though....
(any advice/experience/f-body pwr seat mechs. available?)


( "BEST ENGINE"  would've been mine!!!)
erik
'88 cutlass supreme classic
307=>350----.030  (very soon! but not for this yrs nats..........sh#t...!)
2.56 200r4=>3.73 200r4  (soon after the 350's paid for )

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:19:27 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Unicase 350's

Dorian,

Might be the particular car - the H-bodies (Starfire, Skyhawk, Monza &
Sunbird) have a bracket that attaches the third link from the rear end
assembly to the transmission tailshaft, and these cars were available with
L-4's, V-6's & V-8's.  It might have saved them a little money to have one
automatic tranny for the entire line, as the L-4 and V-8 have the C-word bolt
pattern.  The only problem with that is the H-body line ceased production as a
RWD car in 1980 - the same year it looks as if they introduced the Unicase.

And then again, I could be wrong..................

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:27:44 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Nitewatch?

Kevin Meredith wrote:
>
> Ok, all youse heros out there, I'll ask the question that some of you, like
> me, are just dyin to ask: What the heck is a Nitewatch option, please?

Night-Watch is kind of a poor man's Twilight Sentinel...

I guess you don't know what that is either...

Anyway, Night-Watch gave you the ability to turn on the headlights, with
a timer, so that you could, say, walk to your front door at night with
the safety of your headlights guiding your way.  To turn on the
Night-Watch you pushed a button under the dash.  They went out
automatically after approx. 60 seconds (you had no control over the
time).  Cadillac had the better Twilight Sentinel system.  It had a
sensor that turned on the headlights at dusk, turned them off at dawn.
And when you turned off the motor, the headlights remained lit for the
amount of time that YOU chose by setting the dial.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:29:53 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Springfield

Time to sign off for the Olds Nationals.
   Have to load my truck tomorrow, and get a good nights sleep. Leaving 6AM
Sunday with a layover in Ohio with relatives.
   See all of you there have a safe trip and for those of you who can't make
it we will enjoy it for you.


Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:48:06 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: NW 4-4-2 Picnic

THOMAS JACQUILLARD wrote:

> Greg Rollin wrote:
> >
> > Just another reminder.  This Sunday (July 12th) is the 9th annual NW
> > Cutlass/4-4-2 picnic held in Centralia, Washington.  Sponsored by the
> > South Sound 4-4-2 Club and the 4-4-2 Club of Oregon.
> Why couldn't I have known about ya'all when I was stationed at Ft.
> Lewis? I only have my daily driver '68 CS Hol. Coupe (w/455), but I
> would have gladly showed her off. Now the Army sends me to Ga. And the
> worst part is that everyone I have talked to is on the other end of the
> state from Ft. Stewart. Hope you guys have a blast.
> T.J.



Excuses, excuses.  You will just have to be a little more resourceful.
What I suggest is that you commandeer one of those big 'ol transport planes
you guys have, call those guys from the other end of the state, have them
bring their cars, load them all in the plane (yours included of course),
fly out here, show the cars, meet some fellow Olds fanatics, have a good
time etc.  Reload cars in plane, head home and be back in time for work
Monday morning.  See, it's that easy!  So I guess we'll see you guys on
Sunday.  (Or perhaps, everyone on the list will see you on CNN Sunday night
under the headline "Olds Enthusiasts Attempt To Hijack Transport
Plane").

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:27:49 EDT
From: <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Blower on an Olds engine

i saw an article in a magazine some time back.  it was a 463 bbo with a 14-71
blower on it.  someone mentioned it because it was in a honda crx.  well i
don't know much about it.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:56:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Unicase 350's

At 08:56 PM 7/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Ken,
>     I don't think the Unicase trannies are very common..out of 4 Olds/Chevys
>that vintage I have swapped trannies on, only one had the unicase, and like I
>said earlier, it was a V-6. Maybe only BOPC used that pattern of housing, and
>only on certain vehicles, why? I would also like to know that.   Dorian

Probably to reduce the different types of trannies they'd be installing at
the plant, when they were putting 231's in some cars, but 305's in the next
one. If there's only one tranny, no chance of confusing the two. Plus, it's
only a little ear on the BOP flange anyway to make it fit a Chevy
bellhousing as well.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:18:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Hello! :)

Hello Everyone!

I am new to the list. I have been lurking around for a few weeks, and I
really enjoy your posts! :)

I am Kim Wandrey and I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme which was my Grandparents
car and is now my daily driver. I have had the car for 10 years and am in
the process of restoring the interior. It has a 350 that has been rebuilt
and is very peppy! ;) (Kim gets into trouble from time to time, but its
worth it!! Hehe!)

I do my own oil changes and tune ups. I know the parts of the motor, but
still trying to learn what they all do. :) The only dusting I do is to
other cars. Weeeee! :)

Have a great trip to Nationals for those of you going. (I was supposed to
go but step family incorporated decided on other plans. ;( ) Take care,
and have a great weekend! :)

Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)
kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:15:02 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Unicase 350's

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> At 08:56 PM 7/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >Ken,
> >     I don't think the Unicase trannies are very common..out of 4 
Olds/Chevys
> >that vintage I have swapped trannies on, only one had the unicase, and like 
I
> >said earlier, it was a V-6. Maybe only BOPC used that pattern of housing, 
and
> >only on certain vehicles, why? I would also like to know that.   Dorian
>
> Probably to reduce the different types of trannies they'd be installing at
> the plant, when they were putting 231's in some cars, but 305's in the next
> one. If there's only one tranny, no chance of confusing the two. Plus, it's
> only a little ear on the BOP flange anyway to make it fit a Chevy
> bellhousing as well.



Unicase transmissions aren't very common, in fact the fetch a decent
price if you are actually looking to buy one from a tranny shop. I know
all 2004R's that I have seen are unicase (makes you wonder why the 700's
aren't), but I do know they started way earlier than 1980 - my original
1970 TH-350 is a unicase.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:21:43 EDT
From: <Iam2XL@aol.com>
Subject: Slowest GM car?  The Turtle!

My buddy Mike in high school had a green 77 Cutlass with the 6 Cylinder.  We
called it the turtle.  If he gave me a ride to school on Monday, I would get
there in time for the end of 1st period...  On Tuesday.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:44:32 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 66 trunk torsion bars

HI!
I need the torsion bars for my trunk lid (66 f85 4dr ht).
Anybody got a parts car hanging around?

Toby

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:02:07 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: All the "me too" postings

>Wouldn't it be alot easier on the eyes if you just signed your
>individual names to your posting???? Good lord people..let's use our >heads
for something other than a hat rack..!!

>Mike................



    This should cure all the "me too" and similar messages. It's all a
matter of everyone contributing with putting their signatures at the end of
their postings (Email address or any contact info) so any reply that does
not contribute to the list's enlightment can be finally kept private.

Just my 0.02 cents.

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442------> 307 (5A), TH-350, 3.73 gears

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:48:14 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro

Jim & Jo Chermack wrote:
>
>                                           C&M Classic Parts
>                        1132 Chatmoss Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23464
>                                 (757)474-0869, FAX (757)474-0694
>                                          <chermac@exis.net>
>                                                OCA# 24275
>
> Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm,  Sat 9:00 am - 3:00 pm,  Sunday Closed
> *We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.*
> Lots of new reproduction parts will be coming out Summer/Fall  98.
>
>                                          GM Restoration Parts
>

>
> Used Parts:
> 64 Cutlass/442
> 64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $75.00

Jim/Jo: will this fit my 66, and is it a complete floor piece with all
hardware ( can I get rid of my colum shifter with this piece?)
Toby

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:16:37 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Running hot!!!

I just recently installed a 455 into a 72 Olds 442. The car has the 3 core
radiator, 160 thermostat, 9/12 compression.The car will run in the 190 -
210 degree range. It will climb a little over 210 if stuck in traffic.
Should I step up to a 4 core radiator. I heard 4 cores  have a 25% better
cooling efficeincy.
 Where is a good place to buy a realiable radiator? (without costing an arm
and a leg)

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:57:59 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tribute!

Hi you all:
Just a little thanks to the list
I've been looking at the list for quite a while now, and picked up som
serious valuable info. I want to thank you all for posting your "brains"
here, you've really helped me out. I'm pretty new to OLDS, picked up my
first last year (67 f85 2dr Post), and I'm already looking for my third
(66-67 Convertible, if anyboby should stumble over one for a decent
amount of greens). Keep it up guys, you're preserving some serious fune
here!!!

Toby
66 f85 4dr ht (Daily Driver)
67 f85 2dr post
92 camry (I Know, but the wife love it......)
96 Impala SS . . . . .
97 GMC Sonoma

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:25:58 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Running hot!!!

Peter Landowski wrote:

> I just recently installed a 455 into a 72 Olds 442. The car has the 3 core
> radiator, 160 thermostat, 9/12 compression.The car will run in the 190 -
> 210 degree range. It will climb a little over 210 if stuck in traffic.

I've got a 400 w/ a 3 row in my 442. I live in th Desert of AZ and in traffic
and just driving around town it climbs close to 225... 210 is acually a good
operating range. These olds big blocks are hot engines, but as long as it's not
overheating you should be okay. As far as upgrading to a 4 row, 25% sounds a
bit high. I'm getting a 2 row aluminum and it is "supposed" to be 20% more
efficient than a 4 row copper. I don't know the figures, but 10-15% sounds like
it's more realistic, but that's my oppinion. Good luck!

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:20:09 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Running hot!!!

Peter Landowski wrote:
>
> I just recently installed a 455 into a 72 Olds 442. The car has the 3 core
> radiator, 160 thermostat, 9/12 compression.The car will run in the 190 -
> 210 degree range. It will climb a little over 210 if stuck in traffic.
> Should I step up to a 4 core radiator. I heard 4 cores  have a 25% better
> cooling efficeincy.
>  Where is a good place to buy a realiable radiator? (without costing an arm
> and a leg)
>
> Thanks


I am not sure what temperature you are wanting, but this is not really
"running hot". An engine needs to run at least 190 to achieve proper
ignition and most engines run around 200 anyways. Others may disagree
but I consider anything up to 220 to be normal. Stepping up to a 4 core
may allow the engine to run somewhat cooler under normal driving
conditions, but in my experience, it will not help any in traffic. Bud's
radiator here in Dallas (Pleasant Grove) carries 4-core A body radiators
for $209 and I believe they ship.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:45:50 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Running hot!!! - Are you sure?

<< I just recently installed a 455 into a 72 Olds 442. The car has the 3 core
radiator, 160 thermostat, 9/12 compression.The car will run in the 190 - 210
degree range. It will climb a little over 210 if stuck in traffic. >>

First of all, I did not know it was possible to run less than a 2:1
compression ratio. I presume you mean 9:1.
Secondly, why do you consider 210 hot?
The thermostat on my 425 does not open until 180 degrees. That is its
specification. My radiator is (I guess) a 2 row copper rad that I had out and
cleaned recently by spraying it with a hose, spraying Simple Green on it,
(dish soap will do) let soak, then spray it with hose hard-ish from one side
then the other. Before re-installing, I straightened the foils that were the
most bent.

Did I mention that I have no reason NOT to believe that this is the radiator
that came from the factory in my 1965 Dynamic 88?

<<  I've got a 400 w/ a 3 row in my 442. I live in th Desert of AZ and in
traffic and just driving around town it climbs close to 225... 210 is acually
a good operating range. These olds big blocks are hot engines, but as long as
it's not overheating you should be okay. As far as upgrading to a 4 row, 25%
sounds a
bit high. I'm getting a 2 row aluminum and it is "supposed" to be 20% more
efficient than a 4 row copper. I don't know the figures, but 10-15% sounds
like it's more realistic, but that's my oppinion. Good luck! >>

Firstly, who was it that told you this?
Secondly, here is the straight dope;
Your brass, or whatever rad, is mostly copper. Copper conducts heat MUCH
better than aluminium. Unfortunately, copper corrodes easier than aluminium.
That is the major difference. Efficiency of the copper rad becomes less while
the aluminium rad stays nearly constant. What that means is that the longer
you leave your copper-based rad alone, the hotter you will run. I will bet
that if you give your rad a good spraying you will run cooler right away.

Since 2 row rads are better, I wil swap you my copper 2 row for your copper 4
row!
But if you *have* to get an aluminium rad, i will buy your old 4 row and pay
shipping!
For a reasonable price, of course!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:00:33 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: FOR SALE! 62 olds F-85

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I'm selling my pride and joy. It's a 62 Olds F-85. Aluminum 215 V-8
(great performance and economy) Many new additions to make it run and
perform well. Pertronix undercap electronic ignition, MSD-6A, New
exhaust, New cabuerator, rebuilt oil pump, recently reworked radiator.
It's a joy to own and drive, must sell to keep up with my 68 442
project. Car is located in Spokane, WA and is always available for
viewing/test drive. Email to olds442@primenet.com     or
rjacks7229@aol.com
or call Rick at 509-466-8635
It's a MUST SELL at 1800 O.B.O. First come first serve
Check out the pic at Http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/62oldsf-85.jpg


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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:07:28 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Running hot!!! - Are you sure?

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> Your brass, or whatever rad, is mostly copper. Copper conducts heat MUCH
> better than aluminium. Unfortunately, copper corrodes easier than aluminium.
> That is the major difference. Efficiency of the copper rad becomes less while
> the aluminium rad stays nearly constant. What that means is that the longer
> you leave your copper-based rad alone, the hotter you will run. I will bet
> that if you give your rad a good spraying you will run cooler right away.
>
> Since 2 row rads are better, I wil swap you my copper 2 row for your copper 4
> row!

if you look at the construction of radiators you will see why aluminum (which
conducts heat more efficiently than other mettals because it's thinner and
easier to cool with air) is better. The copper radiators are built with say 4
rows each about 1/2 inch that leave more open fins than the aluminum which can
run 2 rows at 1 inch a piece. The aluminum covers more fin area and there for
can release that heat more efficiently. Unless you are a physicist or design
radiators I think you've got it backwards. Besides I've worked a lot on my
radiator and my whole engine. I know very well what I'm doing. But when I do 
get
it I'll be glad to sell it to you for a good price. Ben

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:20:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

so would you keep them or go black?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders


>
>
>Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
>> perhaps I didnt make myself clear the 442 was manufactured in fremont it
has
>> red wells it is a 69 and the wells do not have the cutouts for the OAI
hoses
>> they look really old like they have been there for a long time could they
>> have been ordered from a dealer and installed after the fact I realize
they
>> are not factory I was just curious if they were available as a crash part
or
>> a replacement
>
>Kerry,
>The 68-69 red fenderwells were available as a replacement part from the
dealers
>(401162 L & 401163 R).
>
>--
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 00:24:03 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Tribute!

hi my name is Kerry, and I'm an Oldsaholic.......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 11:15 PM
Subject: Tribute!


>Hi you all:
>Just a little thanks to the list
>I've been looking at the list for quite a while now, and picked up som
>serious valuable info. I want to thank you all for posting your "brains"
>here, you've really helped me out. I'm pretty new to OLDS, picked up my
>first last year (67 f85 2dr Post), and I'm already looking for my third
>(66-67 Convertible, if anyboby should stumble over one for a decent
>amount of greens). Keep it up guys, you're preserving some serious fune
>here!!!
>
>Toby
>66 f85 4dr ht (Daily Driver)
>67 f85 2dr post
>92 camry (I Know, but the wife love it......)
>96 Impala SS . . . . .
>97 GMC Sonoma

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:29:30 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 394 Vibrational damper

Everett is right. The big difference would be the extra pully slot for the
a/c. Although, I believe that the only difference that might occur besides
that would be the diameter and then you might have to ise a different belt \.

'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:32:02 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper

In a message dated 98-07-10 19:41:30 EDT, you write:

<< Anybody know offhand why two different rebuild kits?

 HOPEFULLY the reciprocating parts are exactly the same, but now Karl worried.

 Rebuild kit.....hmmm. This might indicate different gaskets. Possibly only
for
 later cylinder heads.

 Anybody know differences between early/late 394's?
  >>


I'm not sure if there is a difference in the port sizes of the different years
but I also believe that it is just the gaskets too. Also there were 2 and four
barrel models don't forget.

WIllie,
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:38:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: pick up my goodie bag at Nats?

Hi all --

Well, it looks like I'm not going to Nats after all.  Short story is that
Grey Mine must be laid to rest for a while, and the travel agency voided
my plane ticket for unknown reasons.  I'm taking that as a sign and
staying home to study for the bar.  :)  So...

I have a hotel room available at Holiday Inn from 7/14-7/18, and if anyone
would like my banquet tickets (I have two), let me know and we can work
something out.

Is there anyone who might pick up my goodie bag and my T-shirt and send
them to me?  (I'll pay postage, of course.)  You'd have a fellow Oldshead
in your debt for quite a while!

8)
peg

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:04:35 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> so would you keep them or go black?


Depends.  What you are doing with the car?  As you mentioned, these are not
correct factory pieces for your car.  Therefore you will loose points at a
judged show.  On the other hand,  if you are not concerned with authenticity,
and you like the look of the red fenderwells, keep 'um!

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:59:44 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper

I found out there was two 394s when I was buying the rings and bearings.
But I think this was answered succinctly in an earlier post.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:05:05 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Running hot!!!

True it's not running that hot but I like to run a little cooler. I'd run
what the 70 442 455 had and then if I had a problem it would have to be
parts rather than the recipe.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 05:28:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: need another Olds

Hi all --

Well, here's my story on Grey Mine ('86 Supreme with Red Mine's 260 in
it):

On the way home from the Florida meet (for which I won Least Likely to
Make it Home), I blew a head gasket on the Florida Turnpike.  Fixed it,
along with a lot of other miteaswells:  xst man gaskets, intake man
gaskets, lifters, rockers, heads machined...
Because I was in a hurry to get it back on the road, I fixed those things
without even considering the rings.  Now I'm pretty sure it needs a ring
job (no compression).  First question is: can rings go bad that quickly,
with no warning?  Blowing a head gasket can't damage the rings, can they?
The day before it blew, I had some trouble holding idle, but no other
symptoms.  It was fine driving to the show, and then on the turnpike it
just died (with a fine fanfare of smoke).  Now, after this work, it dies
when I take my foot off the gas, and also died when I pulled out into
traffic (fortunately missing a Blazer that was coming my way).

If I do the rings, I need to undo all the work I just did, as well as
spend more time that I really don't have.  I'm taking my Nats money and
buying another car so I can get around.  The request:

If any of you have or know of an ultra-reliable Olds, preferably Cutlass
family or Delta, for less than $2,000, please let me know.  GOTSTA have
ice-cold AC for Florida driving; other than that, I'm flexible.

Grey Mine is going to rest for a while until I have time and money to do
it.  Yes, I know it's a 260 -- no flames, please -- but it has sentimental
value to me and car owners aren't always rational.  Whaddyagonnado.  :)

Thanks for the ear and the help.

8)
peg
Grey Mine (we know what the story is on that)
Red Mine (transplanting and rebuilding motor)
Wood Mine (auction station wagon -- thrown rod)
sigh.

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:59:55 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper

Willie & every one,
As far as I can remember, the gasket set will work. Yes , the port sizes are
different but gaskets are always larger.
I'm sure 371  & 394 stuff all interchanges.
About the only things I remember is:

1 - there were quite a few 57 & 58  J-2 camshafts that went bad. I'm not sure
if it was the heat treating of the cam or if they tried a little stronger
spring in som of them. I dop know personally of three thay wenytbad though.
2 - after a few thousand miles , some of the 57's would make a rattling noise
when first started. It turned out to be -- the #1 main bearing was not
retaining enough oil after the engine was shut down. That crank is BIG.
&so for 58 they just put a groove in the bearing shell to help hold some oil.
I think if there are any old mechanics out there ,they will bear this out.

Are there any of you out there?

I found that Scheiffer aluminum flywheel.
Catch y"all later.
Roger

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:09:24 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Differences in 394's was: 394 Vibrational damper

 I think the 64  394 may have had different piston groove widths. My 63
Motor's manual shows no difference in the 394's
 The 394  mains went to 3''  while the 371's were 2.478.
Roger

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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:00:05 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Clayton's Dilemma

Only an opinion, but you asked...

>1965 Cutlass 2dr. 330 V8, console/buckets, needs resto, runs good $800
>might be able to talk down a bit.


Lotsa work likely before this could be a daily driver. Probably the most
desireable of the lot for a potential show car though.

>
>1976 442, almost no options, body been hot-rodded, original engine replace
>by 454 ChXvy BB, runs good, $500, might be able to talk down a bit.
>

Yuck.

>1976 Cutlass Supreme 2dr. well optioned, T-tops, Olds 350, 4bbl, 67k miles
>says runs good, $400 might be able to talk down a bit.
>


These are pretty cars. At that price I'd expect rust city, but it'd be my
choice.

>1984 Delta 88 2dr. well optioned, sunroof, body, paint, interior nice,
>says motor knocking bad, $300, may be able to talk down some.
>
Since 307's don't usually knock, I'd bet there's a 231 v-6 in that. If so
you'd be adding it to the "Most Underpowered GM Car" thread. If it is a 307,
used ones are plentiful and cheap.

drc

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