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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 16 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1370



[none]
Re: leaning
[none]
RE: Trans Cooler Lines
Spam
Re: ??Distance to Nationals
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Paging the Oldsmagnet
Re: ??Distance to Nationals
Re: Oldsmobile dealership sign
Re: Muffler recomendations
test mail
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
fluctuating timing problem
RE: Spam
Re: fluctuating timing problem
exhaust manifolds.......
Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?
No new mail
Olds Cutlass
re: muffler recomendations
Re: Spam
Re: Muffler recomendations
G Body 442 Strip source (!!)
Re: Spam
Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)
Re: fluctuating timing problem
Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)
Olds Cutlass
Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)
Re: Muffler recomendations
Re: fluctuating timing problem
Brake Power Booster affects idle?
Re: 72 442 console with Dualgate
subscribe Oldsmobile digest
olds dealer in lansing?
Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?
Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
fluctuating timing solved!!!
RocketTalk
Re: Muffler recomendations
Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
Vacation
Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved
Re: Treasure Hunt
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1369

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:24:16 +0900
From: *Bull*sEye* <2m45d3@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [none]



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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:30:00 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: leaning

> 85 cutlass supreme leaning to one side passenger side is lower
> than driver side have replaced shocks put in new stabalizer pin
> kit still leans anybody have any ideas

You've got a bad spring on that side; it's probably broken if it's
the same age as the others. Typically the factory springs will sag
after 6-7 years and let the nose droop, but that would be the same
on both sides, so horizontally the car would still be level. If it
sags on one side only, I'd assume the spring broke. Not uncommon.

Keep in mind that shocks (regular shocks, not air shocks) are not
load-bearing and so do not affect the ride height. That's what
springs are for. The shocks only dampen the rebound of the springs.

BTW, it's good that you replaced the stabilizer pins, but if that
was because one or both were broken, the excessive body roll may
be what broke the old spring on one side after a period of time.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:50:22 +0200
From: **Bull*sEye* <3j45d3@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: [none]



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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:57:15 -0400
From: "Robert Handren" <rhandren@gate.net>
Subject: RE: Trans Cooler Lines

<<Trans cooler lines...

<<Would wrapping the lines with a thermo-shield tape help out any? I just
<<cant reroute those lines without coming in contact with the headers. The
<<furthest I can get the lines away from the headers would be about 1/2 to 1
<<inch away.>>

Had the same problem once. I finally removed the bolt on the drivers side
engine mount, jacked the engine up or then removed the mount, can't remember
which, and just pushed the trans cooling lines to the inside of the engine
mount and pad. Easy and gets 'em away from the headers.

Bob Handren

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:29:15 -0400
From: "Robert Handren" <rhandren@gate.net>
Subject: Spam

The last message on digest 1369 was spam. It suggests that you send a
message back asking to be removed from their mailing list.

Apparently this has the opposite effect. It means you read the spam and are
therefore a target for future spam.

Don't do it for any spam you receive.

Olds content:  the '67 W-30 is completely resistant to spam, doesn't even
clog the carb. ;-)

Bob Handren

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:35:36 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: ??Distance to Nationals

Appox. 460 miles. Give or take a few.

Mark Hahn
75D88C

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:37:09 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

Like pulling teeth......where in Ohio?

Mark Hahn
75D88C

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paging the Oldsmagnet

Charley,
       Check your E-mail and get back when you can.
             John




==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: ??Distance to Nationals

If you were wondering about the distance from one place to another, or
how to get somewhere or anything like that, yahoo has this great map
site.  Go to www.yahoo.com and then click on the maps link.  You can
enter a starting location, and destination, and it will give you the
distance, directions, maps, and sometimes travel time.  I use the thing a
lot when I go out to look at cars.

Ed

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:59:52 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealership sign

between cleveland and akron ohio. stow ohio to be exact. now if there are any
more questions, i wont be able to answer them until monday because i will be
at the nationals enjoy myself the most that i can. so until then......

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:16:18 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

i say take the exhaust off nothing on the radio could sound better than a wide
open exhaust system

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:09 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: test mail

testing mail
- ----------
> From: Jukka.Kujala@outokumpu.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: olds parts in CA
> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:22 PM
>
>
> Hey everybody
>
> Anybody could give me advice about olds parts near Hesperia, CA. (
> partstores, junkyards etc.)
> I€m going to be there for two weeks at the beginning of Sept.
> Any classic car meetings, e.g in Pomona, at that time?
>
> Jukka
> Finland
> Europe
>
> olds dynamic 88 €63
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:46:19 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

your in ohio,  are you nere cleveland by chance?

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:59:37 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: fluctuating timing problem

My Olds has been running like crap for some time.  I was playing with
carb jets when all the sudden the motor was acting up.  since I was
playing with the carb at the time, I thought that was the problem.
After hooking up a timing light, I noticed my degreed balancer was
showing flashes at 0, 90, and even 180 degrees.  That's not good!

I assumed the spark was arcing around in the cap, so I just installed
a new cap, rotor, and used silicone di-electric goop on the spark plug
boots.   Didn't help.

Now the car won't hold it's timing.  I set it at 14, then after a few
revs, it goes to something like -2.  With the vacuum advance unhooked
and the motor revved up  to kick in the mechanical advance, it's all
over the place.  Then after I let it idle, the timing is jumping
around.  And, no the distributor isn't turning while I rev the motor.

By the way, it's a Mallory Unilite vacuum advance dist., MSD-6AL spark
box, Blaster 2 coil, Taylor pro 8mm wires.

Is the distributor bad?  How can I tell?  I'd hate to spend $260 on a
MSD billet distributor to find out that isn't the problem

I could you some help guys...
greg

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:03:36 -0700
From: "David Seiver - Account Executive" <DavidS@AnaServe.com>
Subject: RE: Spam

If you really want to be taken off a spammers list (I know...I Spam), then
just reply with an "undeliverable" message. You probably have one floating
around your hard drive. No spammer wants to send mail to a non-existent
account. It is time consuming, resource draining and doesn't make them look
good to their clients.
Peace.
67 F85 / 425 B.B.
(A.K.A. MREMAIL)


David Seiver
Account Representative
AnaServe, Inc. - The Future of Web Hosting
Voice: 1-800-711-6030 ext. 283
Fax: 714.250.7265
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Web: http://www.anaservehosting.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Robert Handren
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:29 PM
> To: Olds List
> Subject: Spam
>
>
>
> The last message on digest 1369 was spam. It suggests that you send a
> message back asking to be removed from their mailing list.
>
> Apparently this has the opposite effect. It means you read the
> spam and are
> therefore a target for future spam.
>
> Don't do it for any spam you receive.
>
> Olds content:  the '67 W-30 is completely resistant to spam, doesn't even
> clog the carb. ;-)
>
> Bob Handren
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:10:13 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing problem

In a message dated 98-07-15 19:01:53 EDT, you write:

<< My Olds has been running like crap for some time. >>

Whats the history on the motor Greg? Miles, usage, etc. Dorian

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:14:13 EDT
From: <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: exhaust manifolds.......

well, i just bought a set of w-z manifolds.  the guy was really cool about the
whole thing.  i got them for really....really cheap.  $150 and delivered to my
front door.   they are in pretty good condition, with minimal surface rust.
just thought i would share that with you.

mikey tvb@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:25:42 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?

Karl Aune, Chicago & work in East Chicago, IN

Where is car?

Actually, anything in the general area of South Bend could be considered on
the way to an evantual destination if your case not time-sensitive.

I  *may* be willing to go a distance to check out yards for me, and car for
you.

You might also contact Al Varhus in Ohio (??????) or somewhere thereabouts.

We can prolly work summat out.

K

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:39:38 EDT
From: <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: No new mail

Why am I not getting any new mail from the list?  Is it my Computer?  Who
knows...

Mike

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:41:48 -0400
From: Jeff Dunlap <DunlapJ@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Olds Cutlass

Found your site on the internet -- hope it's OK to send through
this FOR SALE posting -- though somebody might be interested!

FOR SALE

Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham

		·	1986 2-door with 113,000 miles
		·	Burgundy/Maroon color
		·	New transmission
		·	New radiator, alternator, etc.
		·	Call Jeff 517/394-7310
			$2,900

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:44:35, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: muffler recomendations

> The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are
rattling.
> Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of
leaking and
> other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with
glasspacks, I would
> like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.
One year
> and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want
something
> fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.

I was very pleased with the turbo muffler's that I've got on my '84
(not running now).  Lasted very well... just found another place here
local that sells these mufflers... as I recall they get them from out-
of-state... quite cheaply actually... but seems very high quality.
Can't remember the name right now... but will get back to you.

3 chamber flowmasters are fairly quiet behind an Olds motor provided
you have full tailpipes (as opposed to dropping the pipe under the
car).  They are a bit more pricey but fairly high quality... don't
know if they are as quiet as you would like... quieter than glasspax
tho ;-)  Would suggest you listen to a car using them.

> TIA,
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2 (hear it rattle in Springfield on Friday)

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
        (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles) (RIP)
1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 2 door  (take deliv. Sat.)
        (307, 4bbl, 700R4, 120k miles)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1
        (215 V8, EFI, BW66, 85k miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
        (389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles)

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:47:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Spam

On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Robert Handren wrote:
> The last message on digest 1369 was spam. It suggests that you send a
> message back asking to be removed from their mailing list.

And I have reported the account to worldnet.att.net and asked for it to
be terminated....

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:47:38 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

I've got an Edelbrock crossflow muffler on my car.  The Edelbrock RPM series
parts are (I think) the best in the business.  The muffler sounds absolutely
awesome.  It's not objectionably loud (behind a 307), but there's a nice
rumble there, too.  The only drawback for this quality is obviously the
price.  As with most other things, you pay for what you get.  My crossflow
unit was $180 from a local speedshop.  Edelbrock list price was somewhere
around $195 or something like that.  I'm not real sure about separate single
mufflers.  When I finally do get my exhaust system, I'll probably get
Edelbrock's RPM mufflers, probably 2.5" offset in, offset out for the best
muffler placement under the car.

The webpage for their RPM mufflers can be found at:

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/rpmmuff.html

I really recommend these mufflers.  The only reason I'm replacing mine is
because I have a single pipe back to the dual outlet muffler behind the axle
and the single 2.25" pipe sort of "hangs" down (yes, Greg P., even after
Robert's muffler put a replacement in there...) and you can easily see that
this is a "fake" dual exhaust.  I know that even with dual mufflers, I'll
still have a single cat, but it'll look and sound (I think) much better.
Mine is still looking great, though, with no rust or anything to speak of.
They've been on for going on 2 years now and probably 15k miles.  So, it's
not a long time yet, but Edelbrock's mufflers have a lifetime warranty.  If
they do bust, Edelbrock will replace them for free.

To the two Toms:  can the Hooker system be ordered without buying the
turbo-style mufflers?  If the $270 from Summit includes a muffler "option",
I think I'd buy the system without the mufflers, so I can get Edelbrock
ones.

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:08 AM
Subject: Muffler recomendations


>The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are rattling.
>Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
>other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I
would
>like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:51:21 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)

Got a letter today from Ralph Greinke, Jr. of Stencils & Stripes here in
the Chicage area.  Seems they have finally gotten down to repro'ing
stripes for the G-Body 442's!!  I quote:

"We do have a kit available featuring preformed stripes for L: & R body
sides, frt/rear bumper and 442 for doors and frt/rear.  The 87 model
features Oldsmobile undedr the 442 logo front and rear.

The only difference between the kits [and GM original stipes] is that GM
used a second color between the gold pin stipes.  The kit I offer
features clear in between each gold pin stipe allowing body color to
come thru.  The complete set is only $225 (!!) compared to GM which
varied between $550 tp $650.
If you decide to order, please indicate year of 442."

WOO HOO!  It's already 6:30pm CST so i can't call him now, but I was
thinking we should try to get a group discount.  Anyone interested??


- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:08:58 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Spam

Live & Learn!

David Seiver - Account Executive wrote:

> If you really want to be taken off a spammers list (I know...I Spam), then
> just reply with an "undeliverable" message. You probably have one floating
> around your hard drive. No spammer wants to send mail to a non-existent
> account. It is time consuming, resource draining and doesn't make them look
> good to their clients.
> Peace.
> 67 F85 / 425 B.B.
> (A.K.A. MREMAIL)
>
> David Seiver
> Account Representative
> AnaServe, Inc. - The Future of Web Hosting
> Voice: 1-800-711-6030 ext. 283
> Fax: 714.250.7265
> e-mail: davids@anaserve.com
> Web: http://www.anaservehosting.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Robert Handren
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:29 PM
> > To: Olds List
> > Subject: Spam
> >
> >
> >
> > The last message on digest 1369 was spam. It suggests that you send a
> > message back asking to be removed from their mailing list.
> >
> > Apparently this has the opposite effect. It means you read the
> > spam and are
> > therefore a target for future spam.
> >
> > Don't do it for any spam you receive.
> >
> > Olds content:  the '67 W-30 is completely resistant to spam, doesn't even
> > clog the carb. ;-)
> >
> > Bob Handren
> >
> >



- --
Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:13:30 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)

Matt Mayer wrote:

	Got a letter today from Ralph Greinke, Jr. of Stencils & Stripes
here in
	the Chicage area.  Seems they have finally gotten down to
repro'ing
	stripes for the G-Body 442's!!  I quote:

	<snip>

	Matt, a thousand blessings on you and your family!  :-)  How
about posting an address and phone # for these guys, so I can print it
out and keep it in the car file?

	Thanks,

	Doug Newman        Columbus, MS
	1987 442                 OCA # 30311

	http://www.442.com/newman.html
	http://www.442.com/newmantape.html
	

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:07:15 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing problem

Hey Greg!
    When you say the light was flashing at various timing intervals, I'm
assuming you mean with the pick-up on the number 1 plug wire. What does it do
on any other wire?
Don't be concerned about the actual number but whether or not it varies.
    If it varies on all wires, I might be inclined to suspect the MSD box
itself. Variance on selected wire(s) would indicate a secondary ignition
gremlin. I don't mean to be obnoxious, but be sure you've mounted the box away
from any possible RFI. Also, those are  resistive shielded wires, right? And
they should be cradled by properly grounded looms. Good luck.
                                                                    Ron Forsee
                                                                    65
442-Meister

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:10:30 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)

Doug Newman wrote:
         <snip>
>
>         Matt, a thousand blessings on you and your family!  :-)  How
> about posting an address and phone # for these guys, so I can print it
> out and keep it in the car file?
>
Ooops, sorry.
Stencils & Stripes
1108 S. Crescent
Park Ridge, IL 60068

(847) 692-6893
Fax (847) 692-6895

I have never purchased from them before, But I have seen them mentioned
by oweners of older cars that seemed pleased with their work.

- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:45:59 -0400
From: Jeff Dunlap <DunlapJ@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Olds Cutlass

Found your site on the internet -- hope it's OK to send through
this FOR SALE posting -- though somebody might be interested!

FOR SALE

Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham

		·	1986 2-door with 113,000 miles
		·	Burgundy/Maroon color
		·	New transmission
		·	New radiator, alternator, etc.
		·	Call Jeff 517/394-7310
			$2,900

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:43:59 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)

> Stencils & Stripes
> 1108 S. Crescent
> Park Ridge, IL 60068
>
> (847) 692-6893
> Fax (847) 692-6895

Great news!  This is a very good thing.  However, for that paltry sum of
money, there's no reason not to get the whole kit, unless you've already
matched the stripes for original gold shading.  I say this only because
there are already 85-87 "442" front and rear and door stickers out there
already.  Although they look ok as far as shape/size, the gold is a
little too light and not metallic enough as the GM ones.  So if you need
that ELUSIVE quarter panel section, buying ONE side stripe may look odd
on the car if the shading isn't correct.  You can avoid this dilemma of
course, by buying the whole kit, or by asking for a "sample" of the gold
for matching.  Then, a color difference, if any, is only apparent when
you are parked next to a car with original stripes.  Ask any 69 Hurst
owner about his/her gold stripes and THAT situation.  Of course, like
the Hursts, about the only time that would even happen is at a car show.

Here's a tidbit of info on the side stripe placement, however.... I
obtained this information back in '86 from the Plant Manager at the
Arlington plant, where my 85 was built.

The body panels at the factory were taped off and painted without much
regard to where the lower silver and the upper colors met, just as long
as they were in the "coverage" zone of the stripe.  The side stripes had
3 thin gold stripes on a UPPER body color wider stripe.  The body color
"appeared" to go about 1/4" below the lowest gold stripe, however, it
was the decal covering up the silver.  Made for a neat finish.

Keep in mind that the "clear" ones will need to have body color PAINTED
to approximately 1/4" lower than the lower gold stripe.  This paint line
must be absoulutely straight for the stripes to go on properly and look
original.  Simply removing the old side stripes on the original paint
more than likely won't get you there.  As with any cumbersome project,
either get some help, or if you don't feel comfortable about this, then
farm out the project to a compentent professional.

I've also seen where a 442 was re-painted and painted stripes were added
in PLACE of the original decals.  On a black car, and this was when all
the stripes were still available.  The owner didn't want to shell out
600 bucks for new ones, so instead paid 350 to get the stripes stenciled
on.  Not a bad looking stripe job at all.  Until you got up close you
would think it had the factory decals.  Best of all, there's no worry of
getting wax buildup around the edge of the decal, or a little spot
chipped away which looks obvious.  Now if they would only gear up and
start reproing the inside door panel emblems....

Observations.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:58:58 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

What about the Flowmasters?? Can they be bought at local parts houses
or do they have to be mail ordered from some out of town
suppliers????

Mike................
mailto:krzy4evr@usit.net



> Flowmasters are a little more exspensive(usually around $50.00 a peice) , but
> they are aluminized and last forever!...Not to mention the sound is awesome!
>
>
"If music be the food of love..............
            PLAY ON....."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:59:15 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing problem

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:
>
> My Olds has been running like crap for some time.  I was playing with
> carb jets when all the sudden the motor was acting up.  since I was
> playing with the carb at the time, I thought that was the problem.
> After hooking up a timing light, I noticed my degreed balancer was
> showing flashes at 0, 90, and even 180 degrees.  That's not good!
>
> I assumed the spark was arcing around in the cap, so I just installed
> a new cap, rotor, and used silicone di-electric goop on the spark plug
> boots.   Didn't help.
>
> Now the car won't hold it's timing.  I set it at 14, then after a few
> revs, it goes to something like -2.  With the vacuum advance unhooked
> and the motor revved up  to kick in the mechanical advance, it's all
> over the place.  Then after I let it idle, the timing is jumping
> around.  And, no the distributor isn't turning while I rev the motor.
>
> By the way, it's a Mallory Unilite vacuum advance dist., MSD-6AL spark
> box, Blaster 2 coil, Taylor pro 8mm wires.
>
> Is the distributor bad?  How can I tell?  I'd hate to spend $260 on a
> MSD billet distributor to find out that isn't the problem
>
> I could you some help guys...
> greg


Have you tried running just the distributor WITHOUT the MSD box? From
what you describe, it sounds like the MSD is triggering the module
incorrectly.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:18:17 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Brake Power Booster affects idle?

Firstly, I apologize for my last note.
I was replying to DKLauber, and fully intended to end it privately.
My apologies to those of you on the digest.
And, for that matter, the poor folks trying to root through the archives and
finding pearls among swine!!

Now, as I have been doing lately, upon arriving home, I opened my door to
better hear the engine idling and during some revs. I realized that when I let
off on the brakes, the idle changed!

From a steady idle, it "chugged" about three times (do not believe I would
call it a "stumble") and returned to normal idle.

Is this normal?

Shouldn't I have enough vacc so's the vacc system would not even notice the
change?

BTW after "adjusting" the brakes a littlewhile inside car, they seem to be a
little better.
No real (particularly noticeable) pedal creep yesterday/today. Mebbe I just
need to keep the drums adjusted tight.
Well, yah, so that they clear the tires, but still.

Anyway, thanks in advance.
And I wish I was at the Nats.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:40 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 console with Dualgate

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
>
> well, any idea how much were talking about here?   steven,   w30442cs@aol.com
I am not sure what the going price is but I would be interested
in it. If it is cheap enough and no one else bites on it let me know.
what year is the car?
dave
71 c/s convertible
dave

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:29:38 EDT
From: <CPEARLPARK@aol.com>
Subject: subscribe Oldsmobile digest

Looking for the right 70-72 Cutlass or 442 Convertible. Automatic, white
interior in the New England area.  Must be excellent and ready to treat as my
pride and joy. Please help. Thanks a lot.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:32:12 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: olds dealer in lansing?

my car was built in lansing michigan
in 1971. Does anyone know what the name of any dealers
who may of sold the car?
dave
71 c/s convertible

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:44:13 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?

How far are you from Elkhart?  Looking at a 71 W-30 conv.  Sounds like around
#3 condition, but not needing tooooo much to get it to # 2.  Owner is sending
me more info and photos.  Let me know if you know where Elkhart is, and how
far that would be for you.  Thanks David

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:45:53 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds list member in IN or close?

How far are you from Elkhart?  Looking at a 71 W-30 conv.  Sounds like around
#3 condition, but not needing tooooo much to get it to # 2.  Owner is sending
me more info and photos.  Let me know if you know where Elkhart is, and how
far that would be for you.  Thanks David

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:55 -0800
From: Todd Evans <evans@cts.com>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

>my car was built in lansing michigan
>in 1971. Does anyone know what the name of any dealers
>who may of sold the car?
>dave
>71 c/s convertible

If I recall correctly, one of our family's Custom Cruisers came from Andres
Oldsmobile, which I believe was in Lansing.  They may or may not still be
in business now.  Could be wrong because it was so long ago, but just
trying to help.  Good luck.

Todd
tevans@infiniteweb.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:35:49 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: fluctuating timing solved!!!

I bypassed the MSD box and all is back to normal.  Thank you to all
who suggested taking it out of the loop to see what would happen.  I'm
really disappointed with the unit.  It's only been in the car for a
year and it crapped out.

Ashame it quit working during my jet/rod calibration, now I need to go
back a retune the carb.

- -greg

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:40:57 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: RocketTalk

Right now.  It's in use!!!!

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm

Java based, but anyone want to pop in, we'll be here for a bit...

8:30 PM Mountain time, at this writing.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:53:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

- ---krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> What about the Flowmasters?? Can they be bought at local parts houses
> or do they have to be mail ordered from some out of town
> suppliers????
Flowmasters can be purchased through Summit or Jegs,or at a good
muffler shop.The guy's around here usually go with stainless or
aluminized pipe.I usually get mine for around $200 for 2 1/2" head
pipe(s),Flowmaster,and 3" tail pipes,all mandel bent(no inside kinks).
       John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:41:42 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: G Body 442 Strip source (!!)

Matt,
>
>WOO HOO!  It's already 6:30pm CST so i can't call him now, but I was
>thinking we should try to get a group discount.  Anyone interested??
>
I'd definitely be interested in grabbing a set. A discount would be
good. ;-)

Mike Rothe wrote:
>The body panels at the factory were taped off and painted without much
>regard to where the lower silver and the upper colors met, just as long
>as they were in the "coverage" zone of the stripe.  The side stripes had
>3 thin gold stripes on a UPPER body color wider stripe.  The body color
>"appeared" to go about 1/4" below the lowest gold stripe, however, it
>was the decal covering up the silver.  Made for a neat finish.

I can verify this for '87's made in Pontiac as well. You can tell by the
overspray that it wasn't a precision paint separation. Even the placement
of the stripes around the wheel wells front/rear and left/right were not
aligned "perfectly".

With clear material between the gold stripes I would also recommend
having a pro do it. Anything caught under the stripes (dirt, fingerprints)
will be there permanently. No second chances on a fresh paint job.

Thanks a million! You have *perfect* timing!

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:55:39 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

A way to find this out is to go to the local library or newspaper in Lansing
,look through their newspaper archives for 1971 and find car dealerships
adds.

If you're not in Lansing maybe you can hookup through the net to the library
or newspaper. Or maybe someone on the list would be nice enough to check
into for you.

I'd imagine GM should have some sort of record of the dealerships also.
Maybe the posting about sending the $10.00 to Mrs Healy(?) may be a way to
find out what dealership sold your car.

Just a couple of ideas,

Randy

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:06:40 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I bypassed the MSD box and all is back to normal.  Thank you to all
> who suggested taking it out of the loop to see what would happen.  I'm
> really disappointed with the unit.  It's only been in the car for a
> year and it crapped out.
>
> Ashame it quit working during my jet/rod calibration, now I need to go
> back a retune the carb.
>
> -greg

Greg,
 Glad you found the problem.  I've found the MSD units to be very
reliable.  Just
curious.  Where did you mount the unit at?  As you probably know, these
need to be kept away from direct heat.  In addition, locating them in an
enclosed area (ie: glove box, etc.)  will also "burn them out".  Just some
thoughts if/when you replace it.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:16:30 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

>I'd imagine GM should have some sort of record of the dealerships also.
>Maybe the posting about sending the $10.00 to Mrs Healy(?) may be a way to
>find out what dealership sold your car.


Make sure you call first... Someone mentioned that the History Center
is closed until after Labor Day and won't process any requests. She'll
need the VIN from your car.  The info is:

You can get specific information on your car (or any Oldsmobile)
by contacting Helen Earley at:

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend St.
Mail Code: 489-111-040
Lansing, MI 48921

The phone # is 517-377-5660

Good luck,

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:38:42 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

Dave

        It could have been Story Olds. It's the largest Olds dealer in the
world. He's also responsible for the extra 15 68 H/O's being built.

Jim Chermack

At 09:32 PM 7/15/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>my car was built in lansing michigan
>in 1971. Does anyone know what the name of any dealers
>who may of sold the car?
>dave
>71 c/s convertible
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:40:14 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Vacation

Supercars Unlimited will be closed Thursday July 16th and Friday July
17th.
Back to normal on Monday the 20th.  During this time, if you need to get
an order in, you can always fax us at 503-244-9639.  Sorry for any
inconvenience.

Have you checked out our web site yet?

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:20:38 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: fluctuating timing solved!!!

In a message dated 98-07-15 22:38:12 EDT, you write:

<< I bypassed the MSD box and all is back to normal.  Thank you to all
 who suggested taking it out of the loop to see what would happen.  I'm
 really disappointed with the unit.  It's only been in the car for a
 year and it crapped out. >>

     I have a general question about all this aftermarket ignition stuff. It
seems that just about everyone who has one, has problems with it. I am already
a little biased against them, but what is the advantage? I have always heard
stock HEI is good to at least 7000 RPM. And I know most Olds' motors won't
last near that range. I was just wondering if anyone could explain why they
decided to try it, and if they saw some favorable results that wouldn't have
been fixed by new plugs, cap, rotor, and recurving. I'm not trying to start
any fights, I'm just wondering if alot of people are thinking these are
miracle cures for what ails their car, which in actuality don't do much.
Dorian

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:18:41 -0400
From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

Story Oldsmobile Nissan
3165 East Michigan Avenue, Lansing, MI 48912  (517) 351-0400
fax: (517) 351-0099

Sold both of my cars when new.

Regards,
Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
1987 Grand National
OCA # 028157
www.wmachines.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:56:55 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved

The thermostat has a side that should be facing the radiator. There is a
flapper door that opens when it activates and if that door is facing wrong
then it will cause a whirlpool effect. Look at the thermostat and on it
will say which side faces the radiator.

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Running hot!!! Problem solved
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:12 AM
>
> At 02:30 AM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Well I bought a non-thermo clutch fan and installed it. I put the
> >thermostat in facing 90 degrees wrong,
>
> how was it 90 dgrees wrong, was it upside down?
> I just put one in myself , now i'm wondering if its in wrong because it
runs
> about 210-220 in traffic (which is better than the 220-250  it was
running
> with NO
> thermistat at all).

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:58:31 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt

Where was this in your car. Under the seats??

- ----------
> From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Treasure Hunt
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 12:27 PM
>
> Hello all,
>
> Just thought everyone would like to know what I found in my car today
> while cleaning it:
>
> Protect-o-Plate
> '72 Oldsmobile Owners Manual
> '72 Oldsmobile Emmission Control System
> '72 Oldsmobile Consumer Information
> '72 Oldsmobile New Vehicle Warranty
> and a '72 Oldsmobile Pre-Delivery Check List Sheet
>
> All in great condition!! I was stoked!!
>
> Erik B.

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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:01:20 -0700
From: "Peter Slisz" <pv7793@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1369

Ref:  trans cooler lines:  Instead of mounting the cooler in front of the
radiator and fighting the cooler lines., mount the cooler up over the tail
shaft where the u-joint spins.  Teriffic amount of air there while moving,
and no musing with the headers.  Pete
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-digest <oldsmobile-digest-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:27 PM
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1369




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