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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 7 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1350



Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Chrome SS Rallys
'56 Station Wagon???
Re: ???'s about PST Front End Kits
Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content
Re: How many were made???
Re: Can't get a Grip!
Thanx to Mark and Matt......!!!!
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Thinking of buying a 65 Starfire Convertible. Talk me out of it or cheer me on!
Re: Article in MCR=stinks
Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
UNBOUNCE: Thinking of Buying a '65 Starfire Convert
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake
Re: Montana/Nodak yards?
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK
Forgive my ignorance but
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: Can't get a Grip!
Re: Oven Cleaner.......?
Re: Re: Article in MCR=stinks
Re: need parts
Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: Marvel Mystery Oil?
Re: Convertible Frame Q.
Re: 87' 442 for sale
Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.
get me off the email list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: Marvel Mystery Oil?
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
Re: Can't get a Grip!
Re: '56 Station Wagon???
NEW web page
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
OOPS.....
Re: NEW web page
78-87 cutlass dash questions
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: NEW web page
Re: NEW web page
re: It's official, 88's are dead
Re: Can't get a Grip!
Re: NEW web page
1966, 330/250 hp
Re: NEW web page
Re: 1966, 330/250 hp
Re: 68-69 fenders
Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Stripe Info
Re: Fwd: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Attention all HO Owners!
List rules
Re: List rules
adaptor plate
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK
Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:42:24 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

> > Interesting thing is the car came with a factory W-25
> > hood and all the underhood goodies that go with it (at least as I
> > purchased
> > it).

> > 3)  The car was originally black and the Fisher Body Tag proves this out
> > with a #19 color code, but my searches on the internet and through several
> > books, indicate ebony black was not an available option on the Supremes in
> > '72.  Can anybody provide a little more detail?

Again, confirming what another person has stated.  The '72 SPECS book
lists the W-25 hood as a separate option for the Cutlass Supreme
Convertible (but not coupe or sedan). The only ordering stipulation was
that it was not available with the 350 2bbl engine.  The W-25 hood was
also available on the Cutlass Cruiser was as a special order option.

Also, code 19, Ebony Black is listed as an "Exclusive full-size car
color", but these were the days when you could get a non standard color
if you were willing to pay a little extra.  I have seen other '72
Cutlass Supreme convertibles in Ebony Black, with the cowl tag showing
code 19.

Paul
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help!
> >
> > Mike
> > '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> >

- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Chrome SS Rallys

Hi Gang,
        Don't know if anyone ever checked into the Chrome  rallys at
Stockton wheel,but if you're interested pricing is :  15x7---$150.00 ea.
                         15x8---$175.00 ea.
                         15x10--$200.00 ea.
You can reach them at 1-800-395-9433
          or
stocktonwheel.com@mail.stocktonwheel.com

Take care,John

==
mailto:super442@yahoo.com
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



_________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:58:02 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: '56 Station Wagon???

Years ago (1963) a buddy and I dropped out of school and traveled 'cross
country.  We picked up a '56 (as I remember) Station Wagon along the way.
Red and white and tons of chrome...  I loved that car, but don't have any
pictures of it; I lost 'em in a fire a few years back.  Well, I'd sure love
to get a nice big color glossy of one to hang on my shop wall.

1)  Anybody got any leads, thoughts or even know of a web site where a
picture is sitting?

2)  I've looked in a book I have (the Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile
1897-1997 by Chevedden and Kowalke) and I didn't see any production listing
for a station wagon.  Yet '56 is burned into my memory.  Yes I know it was
35 years ago, but...  Anybody know if a wagon was made in '56?

Any help would be very appreciated.  TIA.

Jonathan Parke
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:27:33 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: ???'s about PST Front End Kits

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 11:43 AM
Subject: ???'s about PST Front End Kits

>Original Performance
>Original Performance Super
>Performance Polygraphite
>Performance Polygraphite Super

Goto http://www.p-s-t.com for information on the different kits.

I  got the Performance Polygraphite (probably what most other people have,
as well) kit.  It includes control arm bushings, endlinks, sway bar
bushings, ball joints and tie rod ends.  I'm not sure what to tell you about
a sway bar.  My car has the F41 suspension package, so it already has a 1
1/4" bar up front and 7/8" bar in the rear.  With the current setup (with
cheap Gabriel shocks), the ride is pretty rough, but livable.  The handling
is great, though, and I don't even have poly bushings in the rear or boxed
rear arms.  There is a point where your handling equipment becomes extreme,
and like you said, it will be a daily driver.  I'd say that polygraphite
bushings would be the stiffest you'd go.  And about the sway bar, you do
have to live with the car (and buy all the parts), so maybe the most extreme
parts wouldn't be that comfortable on the pot-holed Michigan roads all the
time.  Of course, the more money you dump into it, the better the handling
will be.  It's obviously a compromise that you have to personally balance
out.

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:51:49 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content

I'll post this to the list, because, as an Internet-based forum, I figure a
lot of folks are playing around with webpages...

Ahem...

I started my page hacking HTML code from other sites using Windows Notepad.
This get's pretty old after years of doing it, so I've settled on Microsoft
FrontPage.  It's relatively easy to use and it's fast (unlike huge software
packages like Adobe PageMill, etc.).  If it's a quick fix (like fixing a
link), I'll just hack it in Notepad, but if you starting a site from
scratch, an application such as FrontPage works great.  Also, if you have
Office 97, Word can save a file as an HTML page and it even has webpage
wizards.

Thanks for the bandwidth...

Ohh, and thanks for the compliment.  You ~did~ forget to mention Bryce,
though.  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 9:04 PM
Subject: Need help--Sort of OLDS content


>
>Hi gang,
>       This is sort of OLDS related,most everyone on the list has some
>really nice webpages(hint hint CHARLEY MIKE JASON),Can anyone give
>some pointers on what software,etc. is needed?We need to have at least
>ONE more OLDS site to visit don't we?

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:01:04 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: How many were made???

Mark Tupper wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> >Could someone please let me know how many 442's were produced in
> >1986???????????    I have an idea for personalized plates for my
> >442...   "1of_ _ _ _ "
>
> There were, to my understanding approximately 4200 442s made
> in 1986 and another 4200 in 1987. I do know the exact numbers
> for 1987 are 4208.
>
> You can get specific information on your car (or any Oldsmobile)
> by contacting Helen Earley at:
>
> Oldsmobile History Center
> 920 Townsend St.
> Mail Code: 489-111-040
> Lansing, MI 48921
>
> The phone # is 517-377-5660
>
> For $10 she'll send you a package of info on your car, from
> general info from the chasis manual, dealer options for that
> year, and if possible, the original invoice for your car. She'll
> also give the stats for actual # of cars produced and the number
> of which were 442's. You may also get a really cool 8x10 b&w
> photo of your car.
>
> -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
>  mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/
I did that here are the production numbers they sent:

4,273 1986 442's
937 with sunroof (my own special request for that stat...)   I think I
got gyped, I didn't get the photo!!

Hope this helps...
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:04:18 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

>You do know that tire height (diameter) actually alters your "total"
gearing?

True.

>A taller tire's surface will spin (relatively) faster than a shorter tire.
>So one 'fix' might be to use a shorter tire.

False (at least I think).  Take it to an extreme.  It's much easier to turn
a 6-inch tall tricycle wheel than it is to turn a 6-foot tall unicycle wheel
(widths being equal).  If you stuff a real short tire in there, it'll spin a
lot easier than a taller tire.  One might consider a 28 or 29-inch tall drag
radial to compensate for the 3.42 gear ratio in terms of getting traction.
Yes, if you put, say, 4.11's back there, you should theoretically have a
harder time getting off the line...same goes for putting shorter tires back
there.

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:15 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Thanx to Mark and Matt......!!!!

Thanks to Mark and Matt for the excellent info..!! I tried calling
Helen Earley this morning and got a recording that this History
Center is in the process of changing locations and could not
process any requests till after Labor day. I don't know if the strike
has anything to do with this or not, but I am going to send in a
$10.00 check with a request for any info she can send me. Question
for Matt....What information do I need to include in my request?? I
understand the VIN# will be required, but is there any other info I
need to send also???/  I just scanned some pics of my newly aquired
'86 442 and my Supreme, but I have no web page to display these
images. Does anyone have a web page that posts pics of other list
members rides??????? If so, I'd like to submit my two lovely cars..!!

Thanx again for the help and info I have received from all members while
being a new member of this wonderful list..!!

Mike
Ironto VA
'86 Supreme
'86 442'71 Monte Carlo
_________________________________________________________________
> > You can get specific information on your car (or any Oldsmobile)
> > by contacting Helen Earley at:
> >
> > Oldsmobile History Center
> > 920 Townsend St.
> > Mail Code: 489-111-040
> > Lansing, MI 48921
> >
> > The phone # is 517-377-5660
> >
> > For $10 she'll send you a package of info on your car, from
> > general info from the chasis manual, dealer options for that
> > year, and if possible, the original invoice for your car. She'll
> > also give the stats for actual # of cars produced and the number
> > of which were 442's. You may also get a really cool 8x10 b&w
> > photo of your car.
> >
> > -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
> >  mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/
> I did that here are the production numbers they sent:
>
> 4,273 1986 442's
> 937 with sunroof (my own special request for that stat...)   I think I
> got gyped, I didn't get the photo!!
>
> Hope this helps...
> --
> ---Matt
> Chicago, IL


"If you could explain everything.........
 What be be left to believe in........??

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:17:10 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

Jonathan Parke wrote:

> 2)  I've looked in a book I have (the Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile
> 1897-1997 by Chevedden and Kowalke) and I didn't see any production listing
> for a station wagon.  Yet '56 is burned into my memory.  Yes I know it was
> 35 years ago, but...  Anybody know if a wagon was made in '56?

Olds didn't make a station between 1950 and 1958.  So, either it wasn't
a '56, or it wasn't an Olds.  Or, it could have been a custom job...

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:11:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

According to Dennis Casteele's "Cars of Oldsmobile" book there were no
Olds wagons made after 1950 until 1957. In '57 they reintroduced the
wagon as the "Fiesta" model which was available in 2 styles, either the
normal 4-door sedan style wagon with a post between the front and rear
doors or as a 4-door hardtop style wagon. Those are extremely cool. :)
The only one I've ever seen was in Lansing last year at the Centennial.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:25:45 EDT
From: <MxSchwartz@aol.com>
Subject: Thinking of buying a 65 Starfire Convertible. Talk me out of it or
cheer me on!

I'm interested in buying a '65 Starfire convertible for 6200$. it's in good
shape. I'm a little worried about finding replacement parts if/as things go
wrong.

Any advice would be appreciated by replying to my e-mail address.

Thanks.

Michael

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:39:36 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Article in MCR=stinks

Yeah, they could have been more helpful in some ways. I did get a pair of
aluminum drums out of the salvage yard. I'm gonna turn them, beadblast them,
and try them. They should dissipate heat faster, at least in theory. If
nothing else, they will look cool.

Jon

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:25:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

I was disappointed not to see very many nice Oldses on the roads while I
was cruising around New England this weekend. I saw absolutely no 60s-70s
Cutlasses of any kind cruising around which surprised me because there
were lots of other restored cars on the roads. The nicest thing I saw on
the road was (and this will appeal to the lunatic fringe like me) a '78
Custom Cruiser wagon in Bar Harbor, Maine, driven by an old gent.  Beige
paint, woodgrain, the thing looked like it just came out of the showroom
- -- perhaps a summer car used only when the owner is there on vacation. I
want it... ;-)

Rich Spear had a couple of neat cars in his garages in Boston. One was a
'69 4-4-2 convertible, 4-speed, Saffron yellow, loaded. Real pretty even
though '69s are my least favorite of that generation of Cutlass. The
other (again, the lunatic fringe type) was a '79 98 Regency he said he
got from an old lady. All white, no vinyl roof which I think looks
better, red interior, loaded. They never should have stopped making those.

Of course many of you know Everett's '61 Starfire which is a gorgeous
car. You may not know he has other toys: a '71 or '72 (I forget, sorry)
Supreme he's working on that has 3-on-the-tree, a real oddball; and a '70
Vista wagon he told me he uses to haul his trailer to meets with. It is a
factory 2-tone car, white over pale green with woodgrain (makes it 3-tone
I guess), I loved it. Seems I'm developing a soft spot for wagons. He
also has an Oldsified S-10 pickup that is really neat -- Bravada grille,
Olds logos instead of the bowties, even an Olds interior. Great stuff.

The only other car of interest I saw was on the way home: a '72 4-4-2
convertible, dark green with a saddle convertible top, parked by the side
of Route 9 east outside of Bangor, Maine with a for sale sign on it.
Couldn't stop to take a look but if anyone is going to be in the area
they might want to check it out -- looked pretty nice from the road.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:34:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Thinking of Buying a '65 Starfire Convert

Not on the list; respond to MxSchwartz@aol.com if you can assist. This
sounds like one for Chris Fair... :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<MxSchwartz@aol.com>
Subject: Thinking of buying a 65 Starfire Convertible. Talk me out of it or
cheer me on!

I'm interested in buying a '65 Starfire convertible for 6200$. it's in good
shape. I'm a little worried about finding replacement parts if/as things go
wrong.

Any advice would be appreciated by replying to my e-mail address.

Thanks.

Michael

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:54:40 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

In a message dated 98-07-06 19:49:54 EDT, you write:

<< Previously, Willie enlightened;

 << ALthough,  offenhauser and Weiand did make tri-carb, six carb, and dual
 quad aluminum manifolds for the early years (54-56).  >>

 Also saw an Edmunds (do not ask, never heard of 'em) dual quad for '56 or
just
 earlier.

 Great stuff Willie!

 Can Dave Brown quote you for the Oldsmobile FAQ?
 This kind of detailed info is gold!
  >>
SUre. I have more info on those motors for those years and I know what's
swappable and what's not. There are bore limits and head swaps and trans
swaps. Even transmissions from Lassalles will perfectly bolt up on these
motors. Oh yeah, if you ever see a daul quad intake for a '57, let me know, I
would love to purchase that!Thanks!

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:09:45 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Montana/Nodak yards?

> should visit on the way for my 71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.
>
> Any suggestions?

M & M Salvage in Havre has (used to, at least) a 72 hardtop.  Good interior
trim, and good back bumper.  Engine's there, front clip's gone.  It's orange.
Can't remember if there's a '71 out there or not...  Tell 'em I sent ya!  :) 
(If
it's anything you'd be after)  There was another lot nearby, but he recently
crushed just about everything...  ~INCLUDING~ my 67 98 4dr, parts car for my
convert.  Well, it wasn't ~mine~ yet, but it's crushed now!  Ouch!  That hurts.
I've heard there's a 70 442 or Hurst f/s up in Kalispel somewhere.  Don't know
much more than that.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:07:52 EDT
From: <AceFace007@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

Dear Jonathan,

There were no station wagons made from 1951 to 1956. They stopped making them
in 1950 and started again in 1957. Unless you had a hearse or an ambulance, I
believe that your car was a '57 fiesta wagon.

Willie
'57 Olds Super 88

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:18:47 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

In a message dated 98-07-06 20:40:46 EDT, you write:

<<
 Olds didn't make a station between 1950 and 1958.  So, either it wasn't
 a '56, or it wasn't an Olds.  Or, it could have been a custom job...

 Paul >>
   Olds didn't make a wagon from 1950 - 1956 started again in  1957

Everett   OCA# 1961    1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:18 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK

In a message dated 98-07-06 12:00:42 EDT, you write:

<< as compatability, a J-2 tri-power setup is only compatable with
 371 motors and 394 motors from '57 - '64 since they all shared the same block
 and bolt pattern. >>
    Will the J-2  set-up fit a 394 engine? I have been led to believe they
only fit a 371 engine. Where are the 57-58 guru's please let us know.


Everett  OCA 1961   1961 Starfire   w/a 394 and a rebuilt J-2 set-up on a
shelf in my warehouse.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:27 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Forgive my ignorance but

I don't know a thing about Olds I am really a chevy type of guy and now just
getting used to olds but i can't find anything for olds Enthusiasts Where's
our mag where can i find info on olds and olds after market parts I have a
Delta 88 which everyone tells me I'm nuts for wanting to fix up the engine
because it's a luxury car but whats rong with having the best of both worlds
if anyone knows where to find info and parts let me know thanx

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:54:49 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

I work in an autobody shop and lately we have been trying alot of differant
allum cleaners we have have found one that works really good we haven't found
anything it won't clean I'll get you the name and a location you can pick it
up at and get back to you tomorrow

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:01:34 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

whats sie tires you running now

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:14:56 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?

Subject: Re: Oven Cleaner.......?


>Be careful with superclean on your skin , it will pull the natural oils out
of
>your skin, at least it does to me, dries out the skin and peels off like
sunburn.


>Butch  68  442  post
>

My own experience is the same, Butch. Only used the stuff once, because it
scared me to death. Took the skin right off my hands. Definetely a
rubber-gloves and safety glasses kind of product.

drc

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:08:25 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Article in MCR=stinks

In a message dated 7/6/98, 9:13:02 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<Yeah, they could have been more helpful in some ways. I did get a pair of
aluminum drums out of the salvage yard. I'm gonna turn them, beadblast them,
and try them. They should dissipate heat faster, at least in theory. If
nothing else, they will look cool.>>
And besides the NO benefit to braking. If they make the car faster how much??
1/10??

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:11:11 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: need parts

General

        I have the spears if you still need them. They are like new and are
$15.00 pr.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869

At 06:46 PM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>List,
>        Anyone have any 67' plain Jane Cutlass body side trim "spears"
>in their pile of stuff ? I am looking for the piece that runs from the door
>jamb to the 1/4 on the 2 door cars.
>
>
>                            Tanks
>                             The General
>
>

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:31:05 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: Need help--Sort of OLDS content

Microsoft Publisher 97 & 98 are good too.

Jason Adcock wrote:

> I'll post this to the list, because, as an Internet-based forum, I figure a
> lot of folks are playing around with webpages...
>
> Ahem...
>
> I started my page hacking HTML code from other sites using Windows Notepad.
> This get's pretty old after years of doing it, so I've settled on Microsoft
> FrontPage.  It's relatively easy to use and it's fast (unlike huge software
> packages like Adobe PageMill, etc.).  If it's a quick fix (like fixing a
> link), I'll just hack it in Notepad, but if you starting a site from
> scratch, an application such as FrontPage works great.  Also, if you have
> Office 97, Word can save a file as an HTML page and it even has webpage
> wizards.
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth...
>
> Ohh, and thanks for the compliment.  You ~did~ forget to mention Bryce,
> though.  :-)
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 9:04 PM
> Subject: Need help--Sort of OLDS content
>
> >
> >Hi gang,
> >       This is sort of OLDS related,most everyone on the list has some
> >really nice webpages(hint hint CHARLEY MIKE JASON),Can anyone give
> >some pointers on what software,etc. is needed?We need to have at least
> >ONE more OLDS site to visit don't we?



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ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:19:03 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:

>  Paul >>
>    Olds didn't make a wagon from 1950 - 1956 started again in  1957

Yeah, I know, I'm a dope.  I knew it as soon as I read Greg's reply.
Don't know why I forgot that.  See, on the list again for 1 day and I'm
leading people astray already.  Guess I'll have to go back into
seclusion...

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:27:17 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil?

Marvel Mystery Oil was specially formulated as a top cylinder lubricant. It
can free up sticking valves and it helps lube valve guides and rings. I
recommend it for breaking in a new engine or after any valve work. My own
experience with it (20 years worth) is very positive. It's the only additive
I would ever consider using.

drc

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:21 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Frame Q.

Anybody know of a good replacement for the rivets holding the convertable
links together?

My 69 cutlass convertable has two links on the drivers side that have bolts in
place of the original rivets.  I tried using brass pipe spacers but my links
still bind if I am not very carefull.  If the links bind they bend and after
being bent a few times they dont bend back very well.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:30:12 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale

Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale


>Kevin,
>
>>Thanks for the info. Now, are the '9's and the 'Y's part of the vehicle
VIN
>>or part of the engine serial. If part of the engine serial, where is the
>>engine serial located?
>>
>
>The '9' and 'Y' are the eighth (8th) digit of your VIN.
>
>-Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)



And I'm sure you'll find that the 442 is indeed the "9" motor. As far as I
know there was no other car that used them.

drc

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:28:25 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Nice Oldses I saw in N.E.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Of course many of you know Everett's '61 Starfire which is a gorgeous
> car. You may not know he has other toys: a '71 or '72 (I forget, sorry)
> Supreme he's working on that has 3-on-the-tree, a real oddball;

Hey!  I just saw one of these parked in front the dealership where I
work a couple of weeks ago.  It was Sequoia Green with a Beige top and
Saddle interior (bench seat).  I approached it from the side and saw the
back end sticking out from behind a truck.  As I got closer to it, I
noticed that it didn't have any hubcaps and thought it was going to be a
peice of trash.  But it did have hubcaps - poverty hubcaps!  Looked
inside and saw the clutch pedal, then saw the column shifter.  Holy
cow!  A three on the tree convertible with poverty hubcaps (with a club
on the steering wheel - guess he knows what he's got).  Popped the hood
(hoping burglar alarm wasn't installed) - power steering but no power
brakes, it was a 350 4bbl, single exhaust I think.  It had a Mickey
Mouse windshield with the imbedded antenna and a Mickey Mouse radio,
possibly this was a radio delete car to?  No other options.  Had an old
faded OCA license frame on the back.  Turns out the owner is a member of
the local Corvette club and went along to the auction with out
wholesaler to sell raffle tickets for the Corvette they were giving
away.  Still trying to get his name and address.  All I know is his
name's Jan.  What a strange car.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:43:45 -0400
From: Tammie & Curtis Modesitt <tmodesitt@sprynet.com>
Subject: get me off the email list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please remove me from your list.  My address is tmodesitt@sprynet.com.

I have to delete over 150 messages a day becouse of this olds crap.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:45 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

In a message dated 98-07-06 19:49:36 EDT, you write:

<< So all J-2's (with the possible exception of the 1956 concept car) were on
371
 motors. Everything I have seen indicates that the 394's were exactly the same
 block as the 371's (exactly the same stroke as the 371's). >>

I believe Willie is correct,  they J-2 was only '57 & '58.  The maniflod will
fit, bolt on  324's & 394's. The problem is port sizes don't match between
heads and intake.  Ports to small on 324 head and to big on 394 head.  I had a
factory J-2 on a '56 324 back in the sixties.  I believe I matched ports
between intake and heads.
Mr57Olds

'54 88
'57 S-88
'64 442
'98 Intrigue

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:53:17 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

In a message dated 98-07-06 20:40:13 EDT, you write:

<< Olds didn't make a station between 1950 and 1958.  >>
Woops.   They did make them in '57.  first year back.   Fiesta,  was a hardtop
station wagon.

Mr57Olds

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:43:44 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Marvel Mystery Oil?

I'd only use it in my gas tank. Other additives seem to only drop my oil
pressure.
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:18:00 -0400  "Felix, Josh " <Josh.Felix@turner.com>
writes:
>     Just wondering what the list members feelings are on Mystery Oil.
> My
>     father used it in his 91 J**p for years and loves it.  I was
>thinking
>     of using it in my 67 Cutlass but am cautious of using additives
>in my
>     motors.
>
>     On a side note, I am now the owner of the J**p and haven't used
>the
>     Mystery Oil.  After I did an oil change on the car it developed a
>tick
>     that goes away when the motor warms up.  Do you guys think the
>Mistery
>     Oil works?
>
>     Josh
>     67 Cutlass
>     425 / TH400
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:51:32 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

In a message dated 98-07-06 19:59:39 EDT, you write:

<< Years ago (1963) a buddy and I dropped out of school and traveled 'cross
 country.  We picked up a '56 (as I remember) Station Wagon >>

No such thing.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:20:43 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

I had a (non-olds) that was light in the rear, with way too much power for
the tires. When I first built it, the gear ratio was high, 2-something I
think. I had all sorts of trouble getting traction off the line - my tires
would just spin.  After I lowered the gear ratio I got better traction. I
don't know how to explain this in terms of physics, but that was what I
experienced.

At 08:04 PM 7/6/98 -0400, Jason Adcock wrote:
>Yes, if you put, say, 4.11's back there, you should theoretically have a
>harder time getting off the line...same goes for putting shorter tires back
>there.
>
>Jason Adcock
>mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
>http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
>
'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:00:11 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: '56 Station Wagon???

Last time I checked '56 was 42 years ago. Man you really are slippin'.
<G>

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: NEW web page

HI GANG,
        Life is getting better.I finally got a web page up,It's
simple,not the greatest but will get better.I welcome anyone here to
send me pics of their cars,I'm gonna have a WEBRING car show!But let
me know what you think,but don't expect much yet.
Thanks , John



==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.htmlmailto:super442@yahoo.com
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:13:00 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

i have a 75 delta 88 (what year is yours?) and im making a real hot 455
for it ,so dont let anybody tell you your nuts,its nice to have a big
,fast, luxury car ,let me know how its going.

Thanks
      Ryan


>
>I don't know a thing about Olds I am really a chevy type of guy and now
just
>getting used to olds but i can't find anything for olds Enthusiasts
Where's
>our mag where can i find info on olds and olds after market parts I
have a
>Delta 88 which everyone tells me I'm nuts for wanting to fix up the
engine
>because it's a luxury car but whats rong with having the best of both
worlds
>if anyone knows where to find info and parts let me know thanx
>


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: OOPS.....

Sorry about that,try this one.
John



==
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1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:18:06 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: NEW web page

> I'm gonna have a WEBRING car show!But let
> me know what you think,but don't expect much yet.

Looks great so far...  Let me make a quick change here, for ease of clicking ;)
> ==
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.htmlmailto:super442@yahoo.com
No space between the links causes an HTML hickup.  See the difference below...
That link works.

http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
mailto:super442@yahoo.com
- --
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:20:10 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: 78-87 cutlass dash questions

i need a better dash for my '78 cutlass.  i looked in some junkyards, and i
tried to figure out how to get one out of a car that had a cracked one, but
there is some kinda rivets that hold the bottom down.  do these need to be
drilled out?  im going to start on my interior in a couple of weeks.  im
putting in buckets and console in place of the bench.  i will also need a
shifter for a car with the overdrive.  anybody have one of those?  i just got
my gage cluster in there (thanks to whoever gave the info on the swap) so now
all i have to do is order the carpet and stuff and the dash in my car really
sucks.  anybody got any advise?  hints?  help?  id really appreciate it
jeremy

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:27:24 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

I'd have to ditto those comments too Ryan.
Nothin' wrong with havin' a luxury mobile with power to spare.
I plan on doing the upgrade to mine one day.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NEW web page

Yeah,some dumba** can't paste good yet.
John




- ---Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm gonna have a WEBRING car show!But let
> > me know what you think,but don't expect much yet.
>
> Looks great so far...  Let me make a quick change here, for ease of
clicking ;)
> > ==
> >
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.htmlmailto:super442@yahoo.com
> No space between the links causes an HTML hickup.  See the
difference below...
> That link works.
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
> mailto:super442@yahoo.com
> --
> Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
> mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner See my homepage |\ |=|  |   |   |
>    \ | / =========================== \ | /    |<||=|  |   |   |
>     \|/  List Removal and Guidelines  \|/     |/ |=|  |  / \  |
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>

==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:42:31 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: NEW web page

> Yeah,some dumba** can't paste good yet.

Heh heh...  Whoa, hang on folks!!!  He's talking about himself there, don't 
fire
up the flamethrowers!!!   :)

When I get the pics back of my '83 all blacked out, I'll send 'em to ya for 
your
car show.  Take care,
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Date: Mon,  6 Jul 1998 23:45:11, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: It's official, 88's are dead

Years ago Olds distinguished it's models from one another by numbers
showing size and motor option... much like BMW and Volvo do today.
Originally there were 3 size models the 60 series, the 70 series, and
the 90 series.  60 was the smallest and 90 was the biggest.  The
second number was the motor size... 6 being a inline 6 and 8 being at
first an inline 8 then later a V8.  So, 66 was a small car with a six-
banger... and 98 was a luxo-barge with an 8.  In 1949 Olds decided to
put a V8 in a smaller car and thus began the 80 series.  The 88 was
an 80 series car with a V8.


> Does anyone know what "88" or "98" stood for anyway? Just wondering.

> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
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1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k
miles)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, FI, 85k miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Hardtop Coupe (389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles)

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:49:35 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Can't get a Grip!

Sam

The 3.91's will help you get traction sooner.  Meaning you won't be able to
spin them for so long.
I will explain.  If you launch with 2.56 gears, you tire go up in smoke.
Now your tires are going at 80 mph and your car is at 5 mph.  It will take
longer time for your car to achieve a speed closer to your rpm and tire
speed.  If you have 3.91's you launch, your tires brake loose and your car
starts to go.  Now cause you will run out of 1st gear in about 120 feet
(approximately) your tire speed and car speed will equal each other quicker
giving you more traction at a slower speed.
If you ran 5.66's you could still send them up in smoke but you would max'
out your rpm in seconds which would cause your tires to hook up.
Also, I can't say anything about Bf Drag Radial (not radio's)  But I ran
McCreary Dirts and never had a traction problem.  I ran 13.7 through the
exhaust in street trim, on them.
Also try to keep in mind that tire height will greatly affect your gear
ratio.  Send me your particulars about your car and the speed your trying
to reach and I will calculate the gear ratio best for your application

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Can't get a Grip!
> Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 11:26 AM
>
> I can't seem to get a grip when I leave the line.  I am wearing a set of
> BFGoodrich Radio Drags with 3.42 gears.  I want to go with a bigger gear
to
> get me out of the gate faster but what the point when I can't leave with
the
> 3.42s.
>
> Please help!
>
>
>
>
> ===========================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> 1971 Cutlass S 455
> Westside! Chitown IL
> ===========================

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: NEW web page

- ---Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
Yeah,some dumba** can't paste good yet.Super442
>
> Heh heh...  Whoa, hang on folks!!!  He's talking about himself
there, don't fire
> up the flamethrowers!!!   :)
No offense taken,
 later,John
==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:46:41 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 1966, 330/250 hp

Anybody out there which can give me some advise about choosing a
carb/intake/cam combination? I've seen complete sets advertised by
Summit & Jegs, with Performer manifolds and 600/700 cfm carbs, but I'm
not sure if this is what I want. My car is a 66 f85 4dr HT, and its
gonna be my daily driver (Thank god, ICECOLD AC!). Dual exhaust is
moving in (want to use stock manifolds), and I would like to have my
Jetaway redone, but have no luck finding parts for this tranny.

Thank you all!!

Toby
66 f85 4dr ht
67 f85 post coupe

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:17:42 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: NEW web page

Does not work for me!


> Looks great so far...  Let me make a quick change here, for ease of clicking
;) > > ==

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ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:06:49 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 1966, 330/250 hp

Toby

        Your 330 has only a 9.0: compression ratio. Stay with a good Q-jet,
factory 4 bbl intake and a Crane CRA-790531 cam. This one is ground for the
45 degree lifter bank in your engine. They do take a unique cam and the
others ground for the 39 degree engines do not work properly. The Crane cam
has the following specs:

Intake     Lift .456
      Duration  260 degrees
Exhaust  Lift .484
      Duration  272 degrees

It really would NOT be that benificial to add an aftermarket intake and carb
in compaired to the cost factor. Once you've performed the above changes it
would be benificial to have the distributor recurved for optimum
performance. Free it up with a good dual exhaust like you said you wanted
and this would be a very good performer.

My $.02
Jim Chermack

At 11:46 PM 7/6/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody out there which can give me some advise about choosing a
>carb/intake/cam combination? I've seen complete sets advertised by
>Summit & Jegs, with Performer manifolds and 600/700 cfm carbs, but I'm
>not sure if this is what I want. My car is a 66 f85 4dr HT, and its
>gonna be my daily driver (Thank god, ICECOLD AC!). Dual exhaust is
>moving in (want to use stock manifolds), and I would like to have my
>Jetaway redone, but have no luck finding parts for this tranny.
>
>Thank you all!!
>
>Toby
>66 f85 4dr ht
>67 f85 post coupe
>
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:22:41 -0500
From: "Mike" <machildr@Traveller.COM>
Subject: Re: 68-69 fenders

Gib,  I have a complete rust free 69 front end I am interesting in selling.
Make offer if interested.  Thanks,  Mike
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gib Loudon <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: 68-69 fenders


>Peter...
>The problem is, that I have  a 69 car, and a set of 68 fenders.......not
the
>other way around.
>
>Gib.
>

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:20:11 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> >
> > Well, Michael, it seems that any of those  possibilities hold. What seems
> > more interesting is that you have a '72 Cutlass Supreme. A very nice car by
> > any means, however, why the W-25 hood? "72 Supremes didn't come with W-25
> > hoods, back then.
>



> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> I beg to differ.  The options list for the '72 Cutlass Supreme (as well
> as the Cutlass and the Cutlass S) lists the W25 option as available.
> What was not availble on Supremes/convertibles was the W35 reardeck
> spoiler.  Funny though, I don't see THAT listed as on option on ANY '72
> model, can someone clarify this?
>
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
> OCA# 30442
>
> *****************************************************
> * visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
> *****************************************************

Kurt is correct.  The W-25 Force-Air induction was available in 1972 on the 2
door models with a 4 bbl.  This includes: Cutlass Coupe, Cutlass S Sport Coupe
and Holiday Coupe, and the Cutlass Supreme convertible.

Regarding the W-35 rear deck spoiler.  This option was available only on the
1970 and 1971 HARDTOPS (exc. Supreme).  Note this is the same spoiler as used 
on
the 1969 Hurst/Olds. - -- Greg Rollin Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2
is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249 http://www.supercarsunlimited.com E-mail:
supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:58:24 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Stripe Info

Does anyone have info on the Y-73 option hood stripes for the 1970 Cutlass
S? Stencil availability or dimensions?

Thanks-

Corey Day
1970 Cutlass S - 455
dayc@ix.netcom.com
http://www.netcom.com/~dayc/

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:51:33 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

I'd feel negligent if I didn't speak up here.  I'd be VERY hesitant to put any
car I had a sentimental attachment to in a movie.  I've heard bad stories from
several people who have lent out their cars.  Those people treat them VERY bad
and in the high budget world of movies they won't think twice about having to
slide across your hood, kick in a fender, etc. if the shot calls for it.  After
all, they have insurance, and your car is just a $20,000 *PROP* to them, not
their pride and joy.  The movie isn't about the car, the car is there to do
whatever it takes to help the movie along, no matter the cost to the car.  If
you don't mind having them pay for a new paint job and to fix a few dings, and
you're not too attached to the car, then maybe I'd consider it.

BTW, I have a friend in the SFX business in Hollywood who worked on Demolition
man.  He didn't do the cars, but he was on the set and he said they had 3 
442's,
one mint, real one for close-up still shots.  One normal cutlass doctored up to
look like it, that did most of the driving, and one beater patched together 
good
enough to look convincing from 20 feet on camera and do stunts and run into the
fountain.  In that instance, they didn't trash the good car.  Whew!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:

> However, they have their eyes on a (yet undiscovered) '71 red convertible..
> 442, SX are okay.    I'd also like to see blue '69 convertibles, 69-72 red..
>
> If you've got one, or know of one, in the SoCal area, available in early
> August, YOU MUST CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY!!  It's possible we'll need more than
> one, possible that we'll need another car for interiors, etc.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:08:02 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Attention all HO Owners!

(No, I'm ~not~ talking about pimps! :)

Check this page out and see if any are yours!

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/hursts.htm

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 01:38:47 -0400
From: Les Myer <lmyer@sprynet.com>
Subject: List rules

Is it permissable for a private party to post a message to this list for
the purpose of selling an Oldsmobile that may very well be of interest
to some?

Regards,

Les Myer
62 Olds 98

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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:14:49 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: List rules

> Is it permissable for a private party to post a message to this
> list for the purpose of selling an Oldsmobile that may very well
> be of interest to some?

Yes, most definately.  It's quite likely to be of interest of someone here, and
potentially more than one or two.  What causes bad issues is this scenario:

1. Person 1:  "I have such and such for sale"
2. Person 2:  "How much do you want for it?"
3. Person 3:  "That sounds a bit high to me, how many miles are on it?"
4. Person 2:  "I don't know, doesn't sound too out of line."
5. Person 4:  "I paid twice that for mine, it sound's like a deal to me"
6. Person 2:  "Yeah, not bad.  Where are you at?"
7. Person 1:  "I'm in ________"
8. Person 2:  "Hey, that's just a couple hours away!"
9. Person 1:  "Great!  I'm free tommorow if you want to come see it."
10 Person 2:  "Sure.  I get off at 4, is 6:30 OK?"
11 Person 1:  "Yeah, sounds great!"
12 Person 2:  "Cool, what's you're address, how do I find you?"
13 Person 1:  "Take I-83 till 15th Ave,/..../Ask someone for directions"
14 Person 2:  "Cool, I'll see you then!"
15 Person 1:  "Great, I'll get all the paperwork ready"
16 Person 5:  "Get me some pictures!"

This ~seems~ to be the normal lifespan of way too many personal sale items.  Up
to around steps 5 to 7, things are fine.  After that, it becomes information
that virtually nobody else here cares about.  Somewhere in that area things
should go private.

To reduce the redundancies of posting, be sure to include as much info as you
can, while still being to the point.  Location, price, condition, color, miles,
etc are all important, since any or all can narrow down potential interests.
Also, it helps to include a mailto reference in your signature file, making it
only a click away for others to respond privately.  List postings automatically
revert back to the list when readers just hit reply to sender.  Here's an
example for you're own sig file

mailto:lmyer@sprynet.com

Make sure you include that line in your selling post.  Should go well.  Sales
and parts wanted postings are more than welcome here, as long as steps 6 or 7
and higher are kept ~off~ the list.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:47:08 -0700
From: "Peter Slisz" <pv7793@email.msn.com>
Subject: adaptor plate

I have a Olds 394 V-8 (63 model year) and want to put a turbo 350 auto
transmission behind it.  Looking for a place to buy a adaptor plate to
hook-up the engine and transmission.  Also looking for a left hand exhaust
manifold for a 394 V-8.  Exhaust must exit at rear.  Thanks, Pete
pv7793@classicmsn.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:46:45 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake, and NOVAMARK

J 2 will not fit a stock 394

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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 06:30:20 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Roger's Tri-power intake

Hi guys,
I will back Willie on everything he has said  -- up to -- the LaSalle trans.
It does bolt up  - but - you have to have aspaver between the engine block &
trans because the main shaft on the trans isabout 3/8 too long. I think i
still have one some place in my archives.
Here is the deal.
In 1956,while stationed aboard the LST 1157, "The Westchester County" in San
Diego, I was a drive in movie with a couple of other guys in 49 Merc. The
movie gets over & we start to leave.Well sitting in the back row,is this 40
Ford Deluxe ophra coupe. This young guy gets out & starts beating on the front
fenders with a chain.
After he has had his fill of embarassing himself in front of his date, I
wntover & offered him $300 dollars for the car ----- He took it.
I got the 40 back to the garage stall that i lived in week ends.
The next day i wnt to a local junk yard & bought a 49  Olds engine for about
#100.
I didn't have to have it bored, Just rings etc. I think  i used a Schneider
cam & lifters.
I just kept the old Rochester 4GC& did a little work on it.
Now the trans--- At first i used the Ford column shift, but that wasn't
realcool & second gear wasn't just right for the torque of the engine  -- so
- -- back to the  yard. I bought a 39 Lasalle trans. It had the stick shift out
oh the top --stronger  - better secnd gear ( don't remember the ratio) .
This however led to another problem. The brake drums have a keyway & ( slot)
the axle has a slot & a key (square piece of metal ) turns the drum when the
axle turns. Non Ford guys indulge me explaining this.Well, i had put 8:55- 15
Bucron ( made by i think Esso )on because that was about the onlything that
would hold the torque. I know- if i had put a smallr dia. tire oni wouldn't
have gone to gears, but narrow tires aren't cool.
 Anyway i started twisting these keys off. Went to a hardened key &twisted
them finally had to go to a 51 Olds rear end. I really had to search for that
but it was 4.33 to 1. That did the trick.
There were 6 of us guys that hung around togeather .5 coupes & conv. 4 chebbys
, 1   331 cu.in.Chry*ler & me. One of the stovebolts was a new 2-4 engine, one
had 3-2's , one had 4-2's, one just a 4 bbl. Now the Chry*sler ( had 6
Strombergs )& i had the most fun. One run he would win & the next i would win
.
I drove the coupe home when discharged.
(Ran another  49 Olds body 1/4 mile circle track car from 61 to 63 - had fun
- -no money.Next time i'll tell you'll about my 65 442 circle track car
.EVERYBODY SAY NO!)
Drove it a few years, got married, kids etc.
Our oldest daughter developed cancer in her right eye in 1973 ( she was 8) & i
had to start selling parts off of the coupe to pay .Leslie survived- divorced-
started Rowland Graphics  in96
Moved to n.c. 84. Still had coupe.Just sitting.Bare shell.Meet new friend(
runs radiator shop).After me to sell.
Roger II has accident, March 16 , 97 -- sell coupe to Allen -- He already has
is backon the road.
Now you know why i know a little about the  older Oldsmobiles. There were many
other things involved in the Coupe thing , like , the ford used a torque tube
drive train which had to be changed. Actually i used a 47 pick-up rear  which
was an open shaft & had to change the rear of the trans - but all of that is
not Olds related.


Greg -if this is too much band width - i understand -just couldn't sleep
- -prednisone-
 and i thought some of the guys might be interested in what it was like in the
old days. Shades of "Drag Strip Rumble"
 Well i have  to get back to trying to sell you guys some mouse pads & t-
shirts.

Everyone have a good day.
          Roger II says :  IF YOU DON'T THINK EVERY DAYIS A GOOD ONE,
                                 TRY MISSING A FEW!!!!!!
 Later,
Roger
OCA #27353

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