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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, July 10 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1357



Re: Olds block casting number
Re: Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days     (again)...
Re: '72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM
I'm Back  (Who Cares?  :-)
Re: GM Strike
RE:  Rocket Motor
Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Rocket Motor - check the FAQ
Olds 350 diesels...
Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)
Fwd: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
Re:
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
RE: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
RE:
Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)
Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)
Re:  '72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM
oldsmobile parts
Re: Who's Who at Nats
Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors
[OCA National Meet]
Re: '80s sport steering wheel
RE: '80s sport steering wheel
'98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards
Re: Rooms available for Nationals
Re: Survey ??? Hold it!
Re: Survey ??? Hold it!
RE: '80s sport steering wheel
Indy 500-- Documentation for cars at the track in 1970!!
Re: '98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards
Heh, Heh Heh. Was: Re: Indy 500-- Docs
What's wrong with the country,  not GM.
Re: Indy 500-- Docs
Re: Recording a pass
Nats. suggestion: when and where to meet
Re: Who's Who at Nats  answered
Re: Chrome plating
Re: Olds block casting number
Re: '98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards
Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car
Re: Olds block casting number
Re: Olds block casting number
82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing
Re: Olds block casting number
Re: Need 67 Parts
Re: '80s sport steering wheel
FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:15:42 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

3A block: I've seen one in a '79 Cadillac. Thanks for the 3B info. Next FAQ
release is planned for Christmas or so. I want to enjoy the good weather too!
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:24:39 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days     (again)...

> You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them

Yes

 >You own more engines than cars to put them in

do unasembled ones count ?

> Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid
>of one/some of those cars?"
nope

>"Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list

who cares about schools? I need place for my stuff and thats what busses
are for anyways :)

>You buy oil by the case
COSTCO !!!!!!!!

>You buy oil by the case every month
No,  I buy tranny fluid buy the case every month

> None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind

warantee?

>The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
>classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else
>to drive

Of course, someone might be seeling parts

>At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more
>than:
> a week
>a month
> a year
>a decade
yes,yes,yes,no

> You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
  yes :(

I do have one to add. How many people here have bought used parts that
didn't work but
you could use as "cores"  to get new parts ?

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:27:41 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM

Try www.oldntime.com/fusick/
click on parent directory for rechrome parts, you can e-mail them with your
request.
I would also call and leave a message on the 800 number. They may be a little
slow  but they will get back to you.

woody3781
70 cutlass
73 delta 88 'vert

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:38:59 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: I'm Back  (Who Cares?  :-)

Hey folks,
              Our e-mail server decided to take a long holiday break
starting on July 2nd, and they just got us back on-line today.  If
anyone has tried to contact me over the past week, I'm back in the
twentieth century, at least for the time being.  :-)  Olds content:  I
got my car serviced the other day to get it ready to drive to the next
show.  (Gonna be hot...)

Later,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:31:56 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: GM Strike

Thomas,

Contracts between the UAW and GM expired at a parts plant and the effect has
rippled throughout the system.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas (where Fairfax sits idle, one of the first plants to shut
down)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:31:07 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  Rocket Motor

My 1976 Delta 88 (March/April 1976 Production) had 10.
My 1977 350 (unk prod) has 5.

GM started to go Corp colors in the mid 70's.  My 76 and 76 both are
blue.  I think the color gold died off in 74 or so.  I have seen a 75
Delta with a Poncho 400 and it was blue also.  Pontiac used to have a
light metallic blue (near identical to Evinrude Blue).  A lot of flack
hit GM when they started using Chevy eng in place of Olds or vice versa
(forgot which they got caught at).  Then it became "Corp" engines and/or
notes saying "This car may be produced with engines other than the
......"

>Only pre '75 will have 10 bolts, after 75 there are 5 bolts.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:33:54 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

Anyone got a stab at the most underpowered car made by GM?

My vote is the 1976 Buick LeSabre with the Odd Fire, 105 hp, 231 V6.
Let see, 4800 lbs, 105 hp, hmm, 0-60, 2 days, 4 hours......Not sure, but
they probably gave it 2.73's with those 29 inch tall tires!  (HR78 15)

Anyone else?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor - check the FAQ

> I have a friend who knows a guy who says that he has a 1974 rocket motor.
> How can we be sure that it is a rocket motor.  The motor is colored gold
> which really dosn't mean any, right?


As others have pointed out, gold is the correct factory color of a 350,
which was produced in 1974.  The term "Rocket" is just a name used by
Oldsmobile.  In 1974, all non-diesel Olds V8's were called Rockets (I don't
know if there was a diesel in 1974 - don't care either; don't bother to
educate me).

This list has produced an incredible FAQ which will help you determine the
identity of this engine.  The FAQ is at:

http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm

There is an engine section at:

http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofeng.htm#Engines

If you look in this section under the sub-section "1964 - 1990", you'll
find all the info you want on Olds engines.

- --
Drew Senko
senko@reston.ans.net
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/carpics.htm
Vienna, VA, USA

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:50:41 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Olds 350 diesels...

Anyone out there know if an '82 Cutlass with the 350 diesel will have the oil
cooling apparatus described in the FAQ? I am about to pick one up (free, non
running of course) and would love to get the cooler for MY Cutlass. The diesel
is supposedly bad in it, I'm going to swap a gas engine and sell it. Anyone
need diesel parts?    : ) It will be awhile though..have to sell the 4 door
I've got....Dorian

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:59:05 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)

At 09:48 AM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote:

>I have a question for your 1969 Fremont 442.  Have you looked under the
>driver's
>side carpetting and insulation for a build sheet?  I found one in Scarlet in
>this place.
>I am trying to ascertain if this was a popular place for this item out of that
>factory.
>
>--
>Chris Sparks

Hi Chris,
In December of 1994, shortly after I purchased my '69 442 convertible, I
found two copies of the build sheet.  One under the rear carpet on the
drivers side and the other under the rear carpet on the passenger side.  My
car was built in Fremont also (September 24, 1968).
It was a great feeling.

Brad Otto
'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:55:58 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

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I just had to fill this out! :-)

In a message dated 7/9/98 11:59:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu writes:
 heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
 as you and I are; check all the following that apply:

 ( X ) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them (only 2
of us)

 ( XX ) You own more engines than cars to put them in (more race engines than
race cars, too)

 ( X ) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
 one/some of those cars?" (yesterday, in fact)

 ( X ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
 homebuying priorities (when I look for the next place!)

 ( X ) You buy oil by the case (for everyday cars and the oil-burning C-word
truck)

 ( XX ) You buy oil by the case every month (it is racing season, so filters
go that way, too)

 ( X ) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind (if I break
it, I guarantee I will have to fix it!)

 ( X ) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
 classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to drive
(there's other parts of the paper?)

 At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:
 ( X ) a week (truck)
 ( ) a month
 ( X ) a year (SX)
 ( ) a decade
 ( X ) has never moved under its own power (72 Cutlass S that's destined to be
a SCCA Solo II 442 wannabee)

 ( X ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can (3 do, 4 don't)

Smile, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
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At 11:41 AM 7/9/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>>On a side note, didn't your list of Oldses extend a little further down not
>>long ago? Did you sell some off?
>
>Umm, no....well maybe...here's the complete list in order of acquirement
>(is that a word)
>
>1977 Buick LeSabre - parent bought new, still has original 350 Olds, for
 [snip of what sounds like a used car lot inventory sheet... ;) ]
>1969 W-31 - my baby, numbers matching and a Chicago car all it's life
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hmmm, is this a positive or negative feature?

 [snip of remainder of the inventory]
>1989 GMC Sonoma - current daily driver, and parts hauler, and hauler of
>home remodeling supplies

It's good to have something like that, to avoid strapping the 4x8 sheets of
plywood and drywall to the roofs of the cars you *really* care about (Bob
says, now that he has a Jeep for such things...)

>man I knew I had a lot of cars, but jeez, anyway that's the list.  Now I
>just need time to work on them and/or finish up repairs.

heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
as you and I are; check all the following that apply:

( ) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them

( ) You own more engines than cars to put them in

( ) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
one/some of those cars?"

( ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
homebuying priorities

( ) You buy oil by the case

( ) You buy oil by the case every month

( ) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind

( ) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to drive

At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:
( ) a week
( ) a month
( ) a year
( ) a decade
( ) has never moved under its own power

( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:15:25 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

The aircraft I fly (Navy T-34) has braided lines and anodized fitting
for everything from the airconditioner  lines to fuel and oil lines.
All of these are then covered up with thick orange rubber for chaff
protection.  The fuel system uses 800psi. so I'm confident that my
braided line from the pump to the carb will handle its 7psi for quite
a while.

If I remember right, I believe Aeroquip and Earls use synthetic rubber
on the inside of their lines.  Someone should check that out.

- -greg

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:36:20 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re:

nope but if your painting it anyway just unbolt the fender remove it then
put it back on afterwards with 3m moulding and trim adhesive it works like a
charm...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: dbennett@asu.edu <dbennett@asu.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:03 AM


>Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
>front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
>bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
>fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for
a
>paint job on my daily driver.
>
>Dan Bennett
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:45:19 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

good thought you were using cheap speed shop braid the stuff for aircraft
has teflon as i recall saw tons (no lie) of it when i was in the airforce
they use it on everything the speedshop stuff is just rubber
not much better than normal hose and the connections are only as good as the
person who assembled them once more the speed shop versus the aircraft
industry
- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>Kerry,
>
>As an aircraft mechanic, I see the stuff all the time.  But some of the
>braided hose we have at work has a different hose lining, due to having
>aircraft hydraulic fluid run through it - the stuff is super slippery,
works
>at over 1000PSI without losing it's properties, and will eat up many
>materials.  I'm not sure of the lining material, but I'm sure it's not
rubber.
>We also have some braided hose that we use on oxygen lines and I'm not sure
>they have rubber in them.
>
>I look for it at aircraft supply/surplus stores since getting it out of
work
>isn't worth the risk of losing my job.  The pieces I have right now are
going
>to be used as fuel line and as water lines from the back corners of the
intake
>to the thermostat housing - allows better cooling of the back cylinders.
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:11:37 -0500
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: RE: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

"Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com> wrote:

> This bit here is incorrect. The car that my wife and I rode off in after
> our wedding reception was a 1948 Oldsmobile series 68 4dr(straight
> eight). I know that this is correct as I see this very car most days.
>
> >By 1946 all that was left was the series "8" and "9" and the eight
> >cylinder engine, so the entire lineup consisted of "88"s and "98"s.

OK, there's a couple more things wrong here too.

The G-series "70" body style was introduced in 1939 and remained in the
lineup until 1950.

The Custom Cruiser "90" series was introduced in 1940. The "80" series
was dropped that same year.

The "88" series was introduced in 1949.

The situation is not quite as simple as I painted it. It seems that the
meaning of the designations changed about as often as those for the
"442". It also seems that the 1935 "Six" and "Eight" designations were
referring to the engine, and not the body series (or size).

Hey, I did say that the dates were approximate :-).

Charles

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:55:55 -0700
From: dbennett@asu.edu
Subject: RE:

Yeah, I was afraid of that.  Well, they have to come off and they are two
expensive (and Original) to break off, so under the fenders I go.

I did discover a kinda neat solution to placing emblems on the fender, if
the original was already missing, without opening it up.  Take two or three
(as the case may be) small plastic anchors (like you use in wallboard), cut
of the ends and insert in the hole of the fender.  The emblem will then very
snugly slip right in.  The nice thing about it is that you can pretty easily
remove the emblem (intact)at a later time with a small screwdriver.  The
emblem is almost always big enough to cover the lip of the anchor underneath
it so you never see it.  I did this on my '73 Cutlass with the front fender
"Cutlass" emblems and they held very strong for many miles...that is until I
sold it.

Dan Bennett
'72 Supreme
- -----Original Message-----


Dan

        You don't get around taking the bottom of the fender loose. They are
held by three nuts that if not removed from the back you'll break the
emblem.

Jim Chermack

>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 15:54:22 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)

havent checked but i will and then make a posting.....kk
by the way the 442 refuses to answer personal questions at this time
its still upset about getting hit by a ford probe driven by an idiot while
the poor thing was just sitting there minding its own business.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)


>At 09:48 AM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I have a question for your 1969 Fremont 442.  Have you looked under the
>>driver's
>>side carpetting and insulation for a build sheet?  I found one in Scarlet
in
>>this place.
>>I am trying to ascertain if this was a popular place for this item out of
that
>>factory.
>>
>>--
>>Chris Sparks
>
>Hi Chris,
>In December of 1994, shortly after I purchased my '69 442 convertible, I
>found two copies of the build sheet.  One under the rear carpet on the
>drivers side and the other under the rear carpet on the passenger side.  My
>car was built in Fremont also (September 24, 1968).
>It was a great feeling.
>
>Brad Otto
>'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
>'70 442 W-30 Hardtop
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:06:50 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)

build sheet is not in this location the car hasnt been disassembled yet so I
will let you know if I do find one and where   by the way did you know
anything about the fenderwells? I know that pontiac produced some goats in
67 with red fenderliners optional but this is the only 442 that I've seen
with them that is not a W this car has not been restored so the things could
have been there when new but I'm skepticle as I've never seen another one
also anyone ever see a W-30 69 with one red and one black?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Build Sheet (was Red Inner Fenders)


>At 09:48 AM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I have a question for your 1969 Fremont 442.  Have you looked under the
>>driver's
>>side carpetting and insulation for a build sheet?  I found one in Scarlet
in
>>this place.
>>I am trying to ascertain if this was a popular place for this item out of
that
>>factory.
>>
>>--
>>Chris Sparks
>
>Hi Chris,
>In December of 1994, shortly after I purchased my '69 442 convertible, I
>found two copies of the build sheet.  One under the rear carpet on the
>drivers side and the other under the rear carpet on the passenger side.  My
>car was built in Fremont also (September 24, 1968).
>It was a great feeling.
>
>Brad Otto
>'69 442 Convertible, 4 Speed
>'70 442 W-30 Hardtop
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:37:06 EDT
From: <Born2Xcell@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  '72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM

that trim is three piece set try larry camuso parts in calf thats where i got
it

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:10:34 -0800
From: Diane Kane <kane@SONOMA.EDU>
Subject: oldsmobile parts

Can you suggest a parts source for my 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass.
I am looking for a mail order catalogue of parts, or a parts and
acessories
location in Northern California.
	Thanks.
	Saddlepal

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:00:50 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats

Peg O'Connor wrote:

> Yep, and ideally I'd like to have a meeting place and time set up, but
> nobody's forthcoming with ideas...hint hint... :)

I think that's a good idea, however, not being familiar with the complex
I cannot recommenda meeting place.

> I don't have the schedule with me, but I suggested the 16th or 17th
> sometime at one of the host hotels...

Keep in mind the 16th is the Board/Membership meeting (AM) and Friday is
Judging.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:09 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors

Hmm...leave it to someone who actually knows what they're talking about to
correct me...  :-)

Regarding the hourly vs. salary issue, that's just something I've read.  It
could be wrong, but I guess they got the bottom line correct (the $45k
part...).

As for Oldsmobile divorcing from GM, I thought about that, but what about
their chassis designs?  I know that the Intrigue is based on the GM-10
platform and it carries the corporate V6 engine.  What would Olds do if they
"quit" GM?  Does the chassis have "patents" on it, where Olds couldn't
engineer future cars based on it or even manufacture current designs on it?
And I'm sure that GM would make Olds give up the corporate 231 V6, too.

I'm not a legal expert or anything, so I don't know how all those details
would play out if Olds actually thought about going ahead with the
separation.  Thoughts?

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:30 AM
Subject: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors

>I don't know of any production auto workers who are anything but "hourly"
>workers, but I do know that with overtime they easily can be paid $45,000
>or more per year.

snip

>Now, for a weak attempt to include some Oldsmobile content here I'll say
>that for the Saturn Division to stay healthy I think that need to divorce
>themselves from General Motors to the greatest degree possible.  That would
>also work for Oldsmobile too, if they had their own management team and the
>line of credit necessary to build modern production facilities as quickly
>as possible.  Unfortunately, it appears that they currently have neither.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:12:21 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: [OCA National Meet]

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With all of the talk about the Nationals, I'm reforwarding an e-mail I
sent back in May.


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I had a chance to stop by Springfield this past weekend and I checked
out the site for the 98 Nats.  It looks like a pretty decent site.  I
just hope there will be enough parking.  From what I saw, it will be
crowded.  It is very easy to get to and you can see the hotels from the
highway.  The Crowne Plaza is a very nice looking hotel (from what I
saw).  The Holiday Inn looked nice, but did not look to be in the saw
class as the Crowne Plaza.  I belive it is $20 a night cheaper anyway.
I made a list of what I saw in the immediate vacinity (walking distance)
of the hotels.

Restaurants:
Steak & Shake
Bob Evans
Red Lobster
Maverick Steaks
McDonalds
Bombay Bicycle Club
Arbys
Long John Silvers
Dennys

Misc:
Revco drugs including a separate liquor store
various gas stations
A large movie theater

Hotels (all basically neighboring the host hotels):
Hampton Inn
Signature Inn
Drury Inn
Days Inn

- -Dan




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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:10:36 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '80s sport steering wheel

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
>
> i found a sport steering wheel in a '86 cutlass salon today and i was
> wondering if i might can clean it up enuff to use it.  is the center piece (i
> think its aluminum) supposed to be aluminum color, or black?  this one is
> black and like i said, it needs a cleaning badly so i cant really tell what
> its supposed to look like.  thanks,
> jeremy


I believe black is the right color.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:28:26 -0700
From: dbennett@asu.edu
Subject: RE: '80s sport steering wheel

The outer ring should be aluminum.  The inner is the color of the interior.
At least that's the way my '72 is.  I dont think they changed much.

Dan Bennett
 '72 Supreme

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Paul Hartlieb
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 5:11 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: '80s sport steering wheel


BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
>
> i found a sport steering wheel in a '86 cutlass salon today and i was
> wondering if i might can clean it up enuff to use it.  is the center piece
(i
> think its aluminum) supposed to be aluminum color, or black?  this one is
> black and like i said, it needs a cleaning badly so i cant really tell
what
> its supposed to look like.  thanks,
> jeremy


I believe black is the right color.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1988 23:34:11 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: '98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards

All,
Due to the purchase of a two car garage w/ a house attached just 3 weeks
ago, I won't be going to the festivities in Spriingfield. I hope to make
Texas next year.
If anyone wouldn't mind sending me some pictures so I can put up a photo
galery of the 'Nats at the OCA web site (http://www.oldsclub.org) I
would greatly appreciate it and will give credit where it is due. Just
pt a caption on the back of the photo(s) and send them to
Brad Nicholson
7 Thomas Point Ct.
Baltimore, MD 21234

Drop me an e-mail that you sent them and I'll look for them.  Thanks and
have an A&W Root Beer Float for me at the bar :-)

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy  (OCA# 18984)
1987 442 (OCA 'Nats '93 & '95)
1994 Eighty-Eight LSS (Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration '97)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:32:02 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rooms available for Nationals

In a message dated 98-07-09 10:53:39 EDT, you write:

<< Days Inn  July 16th $56.00 night, July 17th $62.00 - two double beds >>

Does that make four beds?

I do not need *that* much room.

Sorry, Rick.
Unless I find a willing (or unwilling?) room-mate I will hafta pass.

But that may yet happen.

OTOH I could just bring my own cardboard box.......

( Just Kidding!! )

KA
&SOM

* read the Oldsmobile FAQ at www.442.com *

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:42:30 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Survey ??? Hold it!

Hey guys?

While I am close to a case of motor oil every month for one car.....

Isn't this survey thing a little nuts?

We have to think of the folks on the digest once in a while.

If everybody on real-time (plus the digest folks who are interested) posts a
survey reply, we will essentiall be nuking the digest with many posts that are
quite similar in content.

How about a compromise?

A web page rogue's gallery where you fill out a survey (dossier, whatever..)
and a body could just page through and say "Hmmmm, I had no idea that he/she
had so many cars."

While not currently on the digest, I have to admit that I delete many posts
outright based on subject heading. After the first two or three surveys, I
knew which category this thread fell into. Definitely delete. Noi enough time
to read everybody's garage contents.

My apologies for what is only my personal hallucinations.

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:51:38 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Survey ??? Hold it!

thank you for saying what i was thinking and further more let the whats
wrong with general motors thing rest ok......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Survey ??? Hold it!


>Hey guys?
>
>While I am close to a case of motor oil every month for one car.....
>
>Isn't this survey thing a little nuts?
>
>We have to think of the folks on the digest once in a while.
>
>If everybody on real-time (plus the digest folks who are interested) posts
a
>survey reply, we will essentiall be nuking the digest with many posts that
are
>quite similar in content.
>
>How about a compromise?
>
>A web page rogue's gallery where you fill out a survey (dossier,
whatever..)
>and a body could just page through and say "Hmmmm, I had no idea that
he/she
>had so many cars."
>
>While not currently on the digest, I have to admit that I delete many posts
>outright based on subject heading. After the first two or three surveys, I
>knew which category this thread fell into. Definitely delete. Noi enough
time
>to read everybody's garage contents.
>
>My apologies for what is only my personal hallucinations.
>
>KA
>&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:16:05 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: RE: '80s sport steering wheel

I have an 86 Salon w/the sport wheel.  The wheel is wrapped in grey
leather; the spokes are black.

Bruce D. Brumm
bdbrumm@ldmtech.com <mailto:bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Paul Hartlieb [mailto:plh@nbn.net]
		Sent:	Thursday, July 09, 1998 8:11 PM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	Re: '80s sport steering wheel

		BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
		>
		> i found a sport steering wheel in a '86 cutlass salon
today and i was
		> wondering if i might can clean it up enuff to use it.
is the center piece (i
		> think its aluminum) supposed to be aluminum color, or
black?  this one is
		> black and like i said, it needs a cleaning badly so i
cant really tell what
		> its supposed to look like.  thanks,
		> jeremy


		I believe black is the right color.

		Paul
		--
		Paul Hartlieb
		Myerstown, PA
		mailto:plh@nbn.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:13:24 -0400
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Indy 500-- Documentation for cars at the track in 1970!!

All,

In my recent quest to locate a nice '70-'72 Cutlass/442 Convt.  I came
across an alleged '70 Cutlass Indy 500 car.  This particular car has had
a repaint at one time as it is now black on black vs. the original white
on black.  Wanting to know more about the car, I asked the (in this case
it was at a dealership) salesman what supporting documentation was
available for the it.  Well apparently there wasn't any  information
that came along with the car when it came to the dealership.  However,
this fellow said that someone locally had seen the car, checked the VIN
and was able to identify it as one of the original cars at the track.  I
then in turn asked this fellow to send me whatever documentation he
had.  He then FAX'd me a 6 page document which lists ALL THE CARS WHICH
WERE AT THE TRACK IN 1970 including the 442's, Cutlass's, and Vista
Cruisers!!!  The list is what appears to be copies of the Group Selling
Activities Department of Oldsmobile.  The documents state what the event
was (Indianapolis 500) as well as it's location, along with an assigned
number for each car.  (1-120 including the wagons) The body style is
listed with the corresponding VIN # as well as who the car was assigned
to (ie Mayor of Indy, Gov. of Indiana, Tony Hulman, Cris Economaki,
Winners Car (which went to Al Unser), Roger Ward (Pace Car driver that
year) etc...... )  I have never owned a pace car so this documentation
may be common knowledge to that group of people, but I am willing to
email everyone this information to those that would like it.  I've
scanned in these documents and can email them as .jpg attachments to
those interested (about 1.4 meg ea.) or I can just give you the specific
information for your car if you'd supply me with the last 6 digits of
your VIN.   As I said, this may be common knowledge to the small circle
of individuals who own pace cars but I really don't know.  If your
interested email.  I do have a WEB page and could post them or if people
think this is interesting enough maybe BRYCEMAN would post them at
442.COM.  Be aware these are copies of copies of copies etc... and are
not of the highest quality but are very interesting.

Best Regards,

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:05:05 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards

At 11:34 PM 1/1/88 -0500, you wrote:
> I hope to make
>Texas next year.
>

Were will it be in Texas next year and when? I might be able to make it there.
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:06:21 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Heh, Heh Heh. Was: Re: Indy 500-- Docs

<<  a 6 page document which lists ALL THE CARS WHICH WERE AT THE TRACK IN 1970
including the 442's, Cutlass's, and Vista Cruisers!!!  The list is what
appears to be copies of the Group Selling Activities Department of Oldsmobile.
The documents state.....The body style is listed with the corresponding VIN #
as well as ........>>

Whearas others may disagree, Karl dislikes seeing fakes.

This includes Oldsmobile station wagons with W-30 emblems (and powered by an
LT-1! Sheesh!), pretend W-30s, and fake Indy Pace  Cars.

If it is not a Pace Car, but you paint it as one, et cetera, and *show it*.
Passers-by will think that it is a pace car, whether you actually state the
truth of the matter to those you talk to or not.

Kevin?

Kindly Email me that data. Methinks I sense a major addition to the FAQ. Or
the growing "Karl Aune Memorial Library".

(I do not trust my successors to aquire *important* information!)

Thanks very much.

And I apologize to any whom do not share this particular hallucination.

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:12:23 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: What's wrong with the country,  not GM.

I have an MBA in business. Plus three other associate degrees. All my
college professors were socialists. That's because they never had to work
for a living. Reality, what a concept. I also taught college, couldn't
stand most of my collegues.They had not a concept of what the hell goes on
in the world. Whos going to buy our favorite car. I don't believe that
there are that many marketing jobs out there. Can one restore a 1967 442 on
the pay from Mickeydees..I believe all my professors drove YUGOS. Does one
believe that our neighbors south of the border will be able to buy them at
$1.00 per hour.  To be politically correct and not insult our Latin
members, my name is actually Lou Fernandez Biggs.  Just a comment! I am not
usually not this vocal..

Lou Biggs  lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:15:15 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Indy 500-- Docs

In addition, I can make these files as a zip file from my site as I did before
with............uh..............the other thing.

Providing I can upgrade my site with my video card in a pitched battle with
Win95.

Man, I hate windows!

There will be an ftp link which you click on to download one zip file.
Then use winzip? or PKUnzip (shareware from www.PKWare.com - the originators!)
to expand the zip file into the six separate image (?) files.

Or at least, that is what I did before.
Makes wide distribution possible with relatively little effort.

But first I need the files and time to create the .zip composite.

Just another suggestion from the hallucination-prone....

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:22:32 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Recording a pass

Hey Brett!
        I just put mine on the passenger seat. Be careful when you turn off
the strip though...or put the seat belt through the recorder handle. Download
my wave from Bryceman's website to hear what it sounds like.
                                                                      Ron
Forsee
                                                                      65
442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:23:24 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Nats. suggestion: when and where to meet

Well, since no one else is offering up any suggestions for a list member
gathering, I'll toss out a few ideas.

When:  Thursday evening. We skip the "Come as you are" party and have our
own.
  or   Saturday morning/afternoon before the awards banquet.

Where:  I have no idea, I've never been to Springfield.  My ideas would be
a nearby park or local cruise in spot, like a McDonald's.

So that's what I have to offer.  Anyone wishing to add their ideas, please
do so.

Bill Reilly
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:31:51 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats  answered

dixie olds club   pres  jeff...

lets meet at the vending area..at everett hortons place...
on thurs.... jeff

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:44:39 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome plating

>I'm lookin for a reputable chrome shop to do over some of my parts.
>Any good ones in New England?
>--Jeff


If the recommendations you got from the list are too far away for you, stop
by your local Harley shop. They'll know who does good work in your area.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:45:17 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

DORIAN,
          I DO NOT HAVE THE #3 HEADS ON MY BLOCK.....THE GUY I BOUGHT THE CAR
FROM PUT A SET OF THE C HEADS (67-69 400 HEADS) ON IT.  HE SAID THAT THEY
WOULD GIVE THE ENGINE MORE POWER.

                                              DAN EDWARDS

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:47:30 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '98 OCA 'Nats: Send My Regards

In a message dated 98-07-09 22:07:28 EDT, you write:

<<
 Were will it be in Texas next year and when? I might be able to make it
there.
 Clarence
 86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
 San Antonio >>
   Irving Texas June 24th thru June 27th at the Sheraton Grand Hotel just
north of the DFW Airport

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:54:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Most Underpowered Factory Produced GM Car

At 04:33 PM 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyone got a stab at the most underpowered car made by GM?
>
>My vote is the 1976 Buick LeSabre with the Odd Fire, 105 hp, 231 V6.
>Let see, 4800 lbs, 105 hp, hmm, 0-60, 2 days, 4 hours......Not sure, but
>they probably gave it 2.73's with those 29 inch tall tires!  (HR78 15)

There are also those "4100" powered full-size RWD Caddys of the early '80's,
with about the same hp; the best thing about these engines was that it
wasn't to hard to swap in a decent Olds 307 when (not if) that 4100 died.

Also in the running would have to be any full-size Chev from the '60's with
the inline-6, whose net rating was certainly under 100hp. Same for the 6-cyl
'58 Chevy.

I didn't know that the last of those "big" un-downsized Buicks got that V-6,
though, when they came back out.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:57:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

At 11:45 PM 7/9/98 EDT, you wrote:
>          I DO NOT HAVE THE #3 HEADS ON MY BLOCK.....THE GUY I BOUGHT THE CAR
>FROM PUT A SET OF THE C HEADS (67-69 400 HEADS) ON IT.  HE SAID THAT THEY
>WOULD GIVE THE ENGINE MORE POWER.

This is on a 330? Those heads alone would hurt, not help, power; there'd
have to be a LOT of other modifications to correspond to the larger ports
(which cause an intake port mismatch) and the larger combustion chamber
(which would reduce the compression drastically).

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:18:45 EDT
From: <OLDSMUSCLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

DEAR ROBERT,
          NO--MY ENGINE IS A 350 CI.  AFTER WRITING TO MONDELLO, THEY REPLIED
THAT IT IS FINE, AS LONG AS I GOT THE CORRESPONDING BIG BLOCK INTAKE, AND HAD
IT SHAVED DOWN SO THE PORTS WOULD MATCH UP.

                                           DAN EDWARDS

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:36:16 PDT
From: "Eric Aksomitis" <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: 82 Caprice Question: v6 bell housing

Hi all, I Need a quick answer to a question, preferably tonight or early
tomorrow morning.  I have an Uncle with a 82 C*^v Caprice, V6.  The V6
is toast, and he's not interested in adding the car to the archives!  He
was asking me about a 305 for it, and I thought: Isn't that the V6 that
comes in the Olds's and Buicks and Pontiacs?  And, if so, would the
tranny be the Olds-style bell housing?  As far as V-8iing the car, would
you need a 305 or a 307?  He's only interested in selling the car, so I
thought a V6 would be easier, and probably worth more, not to mention
cheaper to install (this is a no-cash operation if possible, just for
re-sale).

Any thoughts / answers would be appreciated, reply privately if you want
to save bandwidth!


Eric Aksomitis
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/
mailto:big_olds@hotmail.com


Thanx.


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:48 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds block casting number

Dan.

Kindly stop shouting if you are able. This was mentioned in your welcome
message from the majordomo.

And thank you for your input.

Bob;

I believe that what Dan is referring to is a previous query as to the
date/application of a "3B" small block. As Dan said;

"...... 557752-3B IS A 1979 OLDS 350 CI ENGINE.  "

(ow!)

The FAQ, you see, acknowledges a "3A" block, I believe, but not a "3B".

On a slightly related topic (goin' back to da Olds Homecoming), D. Brown and I
spied a 381017 1A motor with #3 heads.

Apparently this must be a 1966 330 (due to #3 heads). But can anyone confirm
the "1A" block in 1966.

Dr. Barry?

Anyone?

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:37:35 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Need 67 Parts

Roger;
         The dash is beautiful.Turquoise pad,but the silver is alot nicer than
my car.Everything works in the dash as far as the lights,turn signals,never 
been
apart.I am not sure what its worth,but I'm open to debate.The hood is a 66,and
its great other than it has hood pins. Let me know   Tony

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:35:31 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '80s sport steering wheel

In a message dated 98-07-09 21:18:56 EDT, you write:

<< I have an 86 Salon w/the sport wheel.  The wheel is wrapped in grey
 leather; the spokes are black.
  >>
    I also have a sport wheel, about '82/3. Black spokes, molded maroon
plastic I believe. ( If I remember correctly, it's cracked) Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:38:30 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FOR SALE: Parts 64-72 Cutlass/442/Toro

                                          C&M Classic Parts
                       1132 Chatmoss Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                (757)474-0869, FAX (757)474-0694
                                         <chermac@exis.net>
                                               OCA# 24275

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm,  Sat 9:00 am - 3:00 pm,  Sunday Closed
*We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.*
Lots of new reproduction parts will be coming out Summer/Fall  98.

                                         GM Restoration Parts

New arrival "Parts"
66 442/Cutlass Owners Manual (mint)  $12.00
64-72 Power Door Lock Solenoids  $35.00 ea
66-67 400 Harmonic Balancer  $45.00
64-67 Auto Trans Flexplates  $35.00
(2) 69 Hurst/Olds Sales Pamphlets (mint)  $30.00 ea
69 ERTL Hurst/ Olds (discontinued)  $45.00
67 442 Dash Emblem  $35.00
67 Front Bumper Filler Panel (mint)  $40.00
67 442/Cutlass Radiator Support (nice)  $130.00
65-67 400 Jahn's Pistons (new, + .025, floating pins)  $300.00
66-67 Fan Shroud (nice, 1 repaired bolt area)  $80.00
69-72 Tilt Steering Column (1 console, 1 column shift) $150 cons, $125 col.
64-67 Console Vacuum Gauge (nice)  $95.00
Toro Oil Pan (w/HV Melling pump and pickup) $135.00
69-72 442 Air Cleaner (correct large snorkel, reg or OAI base)  $185.00
71-72 Fan Shroud (mint)  $50.00
68-72 Z-bar  $45.00 ea
64-66 Z-Bar  $45.00
70-72 350 4 bbl Intake Manifold  $55.00
68-72 Conv. Windshield molding set (mint)  $125.00 set
68-72 4 spd. Z bar support (bolt on) $15.00
69-72 Seat Backs & Lower Sides (nice orig, black or tan)  $100.00 set
69-70 Console Neutral Safety Switch (w/bracket)  $50.00
64-67 A/C Chrome Dash Bezels (nice)  $40.00 pr
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgates Switch Bezels (mint)  $5.00 ea
65-67 425 "D" Block std bore, small lifter bore  $85.00

New Repro Parts:
64-67 Battery Tray (Repro)  $30.00
66 442 Tri-Carb Linkage Kit (complete) $78.00
67 442 Grille Bar (repro)  $96.00
67 Fender Eye Brow Moldings (LH/RH, repro)  $73.00 pr
66-67 442/Cutlass Drip Rail Moldings (NEW, repro) $78.00 set
67-70 Turn Signal Levers (repro)  $26.00 ea
67-70 Tilt Levers (repro)  $26.00 ea
67-75 TH400 Shifter Cable Bracket (Repro)  $28.00
68-72 License Plate Bracket (Repro)  $26.50
68-70 W-31 Cam Kits (w/lifters & lube)  $132.00
68-72 1/4 Glass Chrome Moldings (Repro)  $92.00 pr
69-72 Rear Spoiler (3 piece repro)  $255.00
70-72 Hood Pin Kits (NEW, original supplier, complete) $115.00
71or72 442 Grille Numeral Sets (repro, either year)  $34.00 set
71-72 442 Hood Emblem (repro, Non OAI) $20.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts 1964-1972 Olds/Cutlass/442
64 BIG CAR (N.O.S.) RH Fender  $340.00
64-72 Clutch Inspection covers (N.O.S.)  $22.00 ea
68-72+ TH Torque Converter Cover (Plastic, N.O.S.)  $36.00 ea
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-7? Under Hood Light kits (N.O.S.)  $35.00 ea
69-72 442 Trunk Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $45.00 set
69-70 442 Hood Numeral Sets  (N.O.S.) $47.00 set
69-72 442 Fender Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $34.00 set
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 OAI Air Cleaner Springs (N.O.S)  $5.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
73-77 Cutlass/442/Hurst Wiper Switch (N.O.S.)  $22.00

New Aftermarket Parts
Competition Cams 280H Magnum cam (new)  $120.00
Competition Cams 292H Magnum cam (run 10 min.)  $100.00
66-72 Oil Pressure Sending Unit (With Gauges)  $24.00 ea
64-87 Oil Pressure Sending Unit (W/O Gauges)  $13.00 ea
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/o tilt)  *new*  $24.00
69-72 Ignition Switch (w/tilt) *new*  $22.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $32.00 pr
64-67 330 / 68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW)  $32.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
350/455 Oil Pump Screens (NEW)  $13.00 ea
425/455 Toro Oil Pump Screens (NEW)  $20.00 ea
STD Melling Oil Pumps (NEW)  $30.00 ea
Hi Volume Melling Oil Pumps (NEW)  $46.00 ea
330/350 10.5 in x 10 spline Clutch Kits includes Pressure plate, disc,
throwout bearing, alignment tool. (all NEW pieces)  $135.00 + $19.00 core 
charge
400/455 11.0 in x 10 spline Clutch Kits same as above (all NEW pieces)
$135.00 +$19.00 core charge
3&4 Spd. Pilot Bushing (Bronze) new  $7.50 ea
3&4 Spd. HD Roller Pilot Bearing new  $24.50 ea

Used Parts:
64 Cutlass/442
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $75.00
64-65 Spinner Hubcab (dual bar, single)  $35.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
64-65 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (mint)  $15.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 442 Air Cleaner Top (no base)  $125.00
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $75.00
65 Cutlass Dash Emblem (mint)  $20.00
64-65 Spinner Hubcab (dual bar, single)  $35.00
65 Cutlass 4 Door Rear Wheelwell Die cast pieces (front)  $20.00 pr
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  LH/RH rear $15.00 ea
64-65 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (mint)  $15.00

66 Cutlass/442
(1) 66-67 14x6 SSI  (good cond)  $50.00
66-67 442 Air Cleaner (1 nice, 1 good)  $85.00 (good)  $165.00 (nice)
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $75.00
66 Cutlass-67 Cutlass/442 Fenders (Arizona parts, nice)  $500.00 pr
66-67 Dash Insert (painted)  $45.00
66-67 Inner Fender Plastic Clips $1.00 ea
66 442 Trunk Chrome Panels  $150.00 ea
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Emblem $10.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Molding  $20.00
66 Fender Eybrows (nice, no pits)  $35.00 pr
66 Spinner Hubcap (Tri bar, single)  $20.00
66 Floor Shift Steering Column Collars $10.00 ea
66-67 330 4 bbl Intake  $40.00
66-67 Clocks  $40.00 ea
66 F-85 Deluxe/Cutlass Steering Wheel Center (w/hub) $20.00
66 Cutlass Supreme Dash Emblem (very nice)  $20.00
66 F-85 Deluxe Dash Emblem (nice)  $5.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Molding  $35.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
66 Cutlass Trunk Molding (very good)  $45.00
66 Cutlass Tail Light Bezels (very good)  $85.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
(1) 66-67 14x6 SSI  (good cond)  $50.00
66-67 442 Air Cleaner (1 nice, 1 good)  $85.00 (good)  $165.00 (nice)
66-67 Dash Insert (painted)  $45.00
66-67 Inner Fender Plastic Clips $1.00 ea
67 442 Trunk Panel (beautiful)  $200.00
66-67 330 4 bbl Intake  $40.00
67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers $35.00 set
66-67 Clocks  $40.00 ea
67 Cutlass Dash Emblem (good)  $10.00
67 Cutlass Supreme Dash Emblems (2 very nice)  $20.00 ea
67 442/Cutlass Front Bumper Guards  $15.00 pr
67 Remote Mirror (good, not great)  $20.00
67 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (good chrome) $15.00
67 Cutlass Supreme/442 Steering Wheel Centers (mint)  $35.00
67 Fender End Caps  $30.00 pr
67 4 spd Speedometer Adapter (3.42 gears & 4spd)  $45.00
67 Plain Cutlass Holiday Hardtop interior door panels and rear sides (very
nice, blue/green) $85.00 set of 4
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $100.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $165.00

68 Cutlass/442
68-69 Dash Pad (mint black, post coupe w/o A/C)  $175.00 ea
68 442 Air Cleaner Heat tube assm (2 pieces)  $30.00
68-69 442 Glove Box Door (black)  $18.00
68-69 LH Plastic Inner Fender (w/black washer bottle)  $65.00
68-69 442/W-30 400 Intake Manifold  $50.00
68 Cutlass/442 Backup Lens (nice)  $22.00 pr
68 Trunk Vinyl Top Molding & Plate  $25.00
68 2 bbl Air Cleaner  $20.00
68-69 Cutlass/442 Post Coupe LH Door  $85.00
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $55.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $25.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Sets (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
68-69 Dash Pad (mint black, post coupe w/o A/C)  $175.00 ea
68-69 442 Glove Box Door (black)  $18.00
68-69 LH Plastic Inner Fender (w/black washer bottle)  $65.00
69 Front Bumper (no pits, bent from tow truck)  $85.00
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint LH, N.O.S. RH)  $140.00 pr
69 Cutlass Rear Bumper (nice, no pits, straight)  $110.00
69 Tail light Bezels (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 Head light Housings (mint)  $75.00 pr
69 Head light Bezels (mint)  $65.00 pr
69 Hood Tongue $20.00
68-69 442/W-30 400 Intake Manifold  $50.00
69 Convertible Trunk Lid (nice)  $150.00
69 Turn Signal Lens (nice)  $25.00 pr
69 Front Grille Center Filler (between grilles)  $8.00
69 Full Hubcaps (nice)  $35.00 set
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
69 Cutlass RH Grille (nice, used)  $40.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $200.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70 Hood Tongue $40.00
70 Front Bumper (core)  $85.00
70 Fender Eybrows (nice, no pits)  $45.00 pr
70 RH Rally 350 grille (repaired, nice)  $75.00
70 LH/RH Hood "L" moldings (few small pits under side, nice) $95.00 pr
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70 Headlight Bezels (restored) $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens (restored)  $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens (restored) $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Side Marker Lights (mint)  $70.00 set
71 LH Cutlass Supreme Grille (nice)  $85.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
71 Headlight Bezels (restored) $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
72 Headlight Bezels (restored) $50.00 pr
72 Tail Light Lens  $13.00 ea

73 and Newer and Big Car Parts:
66-67 TH425 Toro Transaxle  (switchpitch, very good)  $200.00
Late 73-74 Olds HEI distributors (non cumputer, w/cap and coil)  $45.00 ea
73-75 442 Console and Shifter (Maroon)  $120.00
73-77 Omega Floor Shift Tilt  $65.00
75 Omega Front Fenders (very nice pair)  $180.00 pr
75 Omega Bucket Seats (nice, maroon cloth)  $85.00 pr
66-67 Toronado Rear Bumper (very nice)  $150.00
66 Toro Batman Steering Wheel, Tilt/Tele column (black, very nice)  $145.00
72 Delta 88 Qtr End caps  $25.00 pr
72 Delta 88/ Ninety Eight Owners Manual (nice) $5.00
62 Super 88 Tail Panel Chrome  (good)  $25.00
62 Super 88 Grille (good)  $50.00
62 Big Car (88, 98, Starfire) Front Bumper (straight, very good)  $125.00


New reproduction parts:
Convertible Top Boots (Correct Grains for each different year)  $85.00ea
64  Black, Red, Lt. Blue, Fawn, Saddle, Turqoise, White
65  Same as 64
66-67 Black, Red, Light Blue, Med. Blue, Bronze, Turqoise, White, Gold
68-72 Black, Red, Parchment, Lt. Blue, Teal Blue, Green Gold, Gold, Pearl,
Dk Blue, Dk. Green, Lt. Green, Lt. Saddle, Dk Saddle, Olive Green, Royal
Blue, White, Sandalwood,

Molded Carpet Sets  $95.00
64-67 - (Black, Red, Med. Blue, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Maroon)
68-72 - (Black, Red, Maroon, Turqoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Med. Blue, Dk. Green,
Green Gold, Lt. Green, Teal Blue, Saddle, Sandalwood)
73-77 - (Same as 68-72 except Green Gold)

Door Panels  64-72  $Inquire

Seat Covers  64-72  $345.00 front and rear sets any year or color.

Vinyl Dash Overlays (makes your wood dash areas look like carbon fiber)
$50.00 set

Lifetime Guarantee on all correct bead window felts  $92.00 set (inner & outer)
66-67 2 dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (correct bead type)
68-72 2 dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (not Supreme Coupes, correct bead)

Replacement Window Felts (Flat type)  $60.00 set (inner & outer)
64-72 Cutlass/442 (state year and model)

Glove Box Liners
64-67 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99
68-69 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99
70-72 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $15.99

Qrt Seals
70-72 Cutlass Supreme & Conv Qtr End seals  $13.00 pr

Hood Insulation
64-65 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
67 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $18.00
68-70 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner (wclips)  $18.00
70-72 Cutlass Supreme Hood Liner (w/clips)  $18.00
73-77 Cutlass $28.00

Liner Clips
Round Clips  $1.00 ea
Square Clips  $1.00 ea

A-Arm Shields
68-72 Upper A-Arm dust shields  $14.99 pr

***** 69-72 "W" and "Z" exhaust manifold sets (REPRO) Winter 98 *****
       We will be test fitting and running them later this year before they
are shipped to GM for final approval. They will be available exclusively
from C&M.
Price is around $300.00 for a set. Different date codes will not be
available at this time. Maybe in the future. Delay has occurred due to
change in manufacturer.

        66-67 "X" and "W" exhaust manifold sets (REPRO) Spring 99

***** Shift Indicators for ALL console A-body 64-75 and 63 Starfires will be
available in July/August. Including Dual Gates.

        66 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $1795.00
        67 W-30 Shrouds (stamped steel, chromed) $995.00
        66 & 67 Track Pac kits (complete, just like the dealer option includes;
        shroud, ducts, hoses, cam/lifters, battery accessories)
Winter/Spring 98/99.

TOY'S:
69 442's (HotWheels size, Speed Rebels) Red $1.75 ea
Johnny Lightning Pace Cars
70 442 Pace Car (bronze or teal)  $3.50 ea
74 Hurst/Olds Pace Car (magenta)  $3.50 ea
79 Delta 88 Pace Car (White)  $3.50 ea

Others:
70 GTO Judge (Yellow) $1.75 ea

Models:
67 W-30 442 (Lindberg)  $14.00 ea

Odds and Ends (not Olds, but GM parts we have lying around)
68-71 Buick GS Ram Air air cleaner assm  $150.00
70-72 Buick AM/FM Stereo $150.00
71-72 Chevelle SS Emblem Kit (complete car, N.O.S. and Repro, includes door
panel SS N.O.S. emblems)  $140.00
64-65 Pontiac Chrome Valve Covers  $45.00 pr
Mid 60's Pontiac Dog Dish Hubcaps (nice)  $80.00 set

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