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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 26 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1330



Re: Sport wheel horn button
64 and 65 hood interchageable??
[little-olds] Ntscpe Communicator H*lp!
RE: Temp (cooling) questions
question
Re: aftermarket seat color selection...
Re: question
Steering Wheel
350 X-man Interchange
UNBOUNCE: H*LP please... Headers for a 455 in a '72 convert
UNBOUNCE: Re: 307 Vin 9
Brake Shoes: which is which
Re: Brake Shoes: which is which
wanted: center cap
Re: Steering Wheel
cars for sale
Re: aftermarket seat color selection...
Not Enough Brake Shoe Wear...
Re: Cam Bank Angle Saga. Was Crazy Questions?
Re: 1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold
1986 442 questions..!!!
1984 Olds mentioned previously
Re: Temp (cooling) questions
chrome off now what
Re: question
Test ride
1975 442
Re: Borla mufflers
Need 68 V4 PCV tube
folks at the swap meet
Supercars, SMW 403
race, don't argue
making holes bigger
Olds yard
RS Parts cars
SFire motor
85 service manuals
Re: aftermarket seat color selection...(brands)
260 Die&sell
70 98 PW stuffs
71 taillight lenses
70 455 intake
museum visit
Re: 71 taillight lenses
H*lp me identify this car....
Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side
Re: museum visit & storm tips.
Re: 71 taillight lenses
SMeet parts wants
Re: 71 taillight lenses
Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side
FULLY Variable Ignition was Cam Bank Angle Saga.
pricing
120 Mph decals
1A 330 motor
Re: 70 455 intake
Re: museum visit
Re: 64 and 65 hood interchageable??
Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side
Re: FULLY Variable Ignition was Cam Bank Angle Saga.
Re: Supercars, SMW 403

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:22:43 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Sport wheel horn button

i forgot to mention that i know the column is in correctly because we swapped
out the old one and put in a tilt column. so i know thats no the problem. we
will try marks suggestion. but are there and other suggestions??

Thanks
Brent 1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:26:11 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 64 and 65 hood interchageable??

will a 65 hood fit a 64???? just wondering. thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:36:19 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: [little-olds] Ntscpe Communicator H*lp!

Is anyone out there using netscape communicator? Preferably on a Mac?

If so, how do you get it to thread your messages?

OLDS CONTENT:

We finally fabricated my passenger side header so that it fits around the oil
filter. All we had to do was buy a box of bends for Schoenfeld Headers and
find what we needed.

Bye, 90+ degrees, going jet-skiing at the lake!!!!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:29:33 -0400
From: "Wagner, John" <WagnerJo@pios.com>
Subject: RE: Temp (cooling) questions

Yes, Somewhat..but so does the pressure cap..every pound of pressure
raises the boiling point. Once you get so far above the boiling point,
what's the point of being able to go further..the engine will seize.
The Redline stuff enhances the water/coolant's heat transfer abilities,
the antifreeze being used in a street car only for corrosion protection.
If you severe overheating, nothing short of solving your water flow or
air flow set up will fix that, no additive makes THAT much difference.
Make sure your clutching fan and thermostat are rated for the same temp,
other wise you the clutch fan trying to maintain one temp, the 'stat
another. You can buy fans that engage at low engine speeds irregardless
of water temp.

I can fax you a brochure that talks about all this (from Redline) if you
send the number - if you have fax machine.

John

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:31:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tom Lardner <lardner@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject: question

my dad bought our 1985 Cutlass Salon brand new, and he still has the
window sticker, which lists the rear as a 2.14!!!  Is that right?  It must
be, because this car accelerates TERRIBLY around town...what other gear
ratios were available that year?
ALSO!
This car is kinda on the way out, and my dad says when the motor dies,
he's junking it.  WHo'd be interested in what parts?  It has the rally
gauges, the console/floor shifter, grey bucket seats and interior, power
everything.  4BBL...just curious
Tom

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:35:09 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: aftermarket seat color selection...

Greg,
Actually, dark interiors in a convertible aren't as bad as you'd think.
My 71 convertible has dark interior and the only time it's unbearable is
if there's not a cloud in the sky and about 90 degrees out. But I'd think
anything would be bad then.

What I'd do is this. It might be cheaper and easier to match the white
vinyl that the new buckets come with, instead of the pearl white. Then
just have covers made for the back seat at a trim shop. That might be
cheaper than having two contoured buckets covered in custom colored
vinyl. The trim shop should be able match the pattern design of the new
buckets to go on the new covers for the back as well. That way everything
would look like it belongs together. The pearl door and kick panels
should look fine next to the new plain white seats. Is white cloth an
option? You don't want to mix colors. Black front and white back. That
would look totally unnatural. It would look like you found some cool
seats you liked and stuck them in the car. Tacky. You want guys that
don't know any better (non Olds guys) to think the seats came in the car.

Just some suggestions. I'd look at the prices of getting the back seat
recovered with matching white and getting the custom colored vinyl from
the seat place and see how they compare. Then go with the cheapest.

Good luck!
D-man






Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I want to order a set of aftermarket bucket seat...Here's the problem,
> color selection.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:40:32 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: question

> This car is kinda on the way out, and my dad says when the motor
> dies, he's junking it.

1) When the motor dies? What's the problem now? Sure it's not a
trivial fix?

2) What part of the country are we talking about? Someone here
might want to take the entire car off his hands, after all.
Don't wave an offer like this under our noses, then leave out
vital information!  :-)

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:05:40 -0400
From: olds@interconti.com
Subject: Steering Wheel

         Hello all -

         I am searching for a black steering wheel for a 1970
         Cutlass Supreme - I have not been able to find a new or
         used one that is any good.  I'm not looking for the
         sport version, just the stock wheel

         If anyone has one in their junk pile, it is worth
         something to me.

         thanks,
         Scott

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:06:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 350 X-man Interchange

Discovered today I have a broken passenger side exhaust manifold on my 78
Delta with a 350. I have the x-mans from the '72 350 parts car sitting
around. Are they are direct interchange? I think so but if anyone has a
parts book or direct experience I'd appreciate a note back. If not, can
anyone tell me what models would work? Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:12:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: H*LP please... Headers for a 455 in a '72 convert

The "H*LP" word trapped it; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: H*LP please... Headers for a 455 in a '72 convert

I've got a '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.  I've had a 350 in it and about
7 or 8 years ago I tried putting Hooker headers on only to find out they
didn't fit (my knuckles sure took a beating, but at least Hooker took 'em
back... good PR).  I got discouraged and didn't try anything else.  Well I
understand a lot has happened with headers since then and now I'm about to
put a 455 in (nothing exotic, just a strong and reliable street motor) and
I'm curious about several things:

1)  What is the actual difference between a '72 convertible frame and
coupe/sedan frame?  I assume it's beefed up for the needed support.  Where
are the crucial differences located?

2)  What brand of headers are really good quality both in tube design and
metal gauge that would fit my circumstances?  Any cast ones out there like
Sanderson makes for Chevy?  I'm I better custom making them to fit my car?

3)  From all that I've read and heard headers can pickup 10-35 hp.  What's
a realistic figure?

4)  For my application (spirited daily driver plus long trips) are headers
less desirable?  Any compelling reasons to stay with a good set of stock
manifolds?

5)  I'm also looking into putting an H or X connection between the duals as
I've heard that picks up some extra torque.  Pros and Cons on this idea in
general and Pros and Cons on X vs. H?  Would it be reasonable to expect
that a connection like this will reduce to noise level because the sound
waves have a cancelling effect?  By the way I've got a TH700-R4 so that
will complicate things a bit.

6)  I'd like to run a flow through muffler to keep things moving, but I
don't want excessive noise.  Any suggestions?

TIA,  jp

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:16:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: 307 Vin 9

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: 307 Vin 9

Mike,

>I don't have anything newer than an 85 tech manual, where it DOES show
>the difference....Y engines had roller, where "9" engines did not.  If
>someone with an 86 or 87 service manual can check this out, we can put
>this baby to bed.

I have an '87 service manual, BUT have no idea what you're talking about.
<g> Don't know a whole lot about engine internals yet. I'm trying though.

Looked through the manual, and the only differences I can easily find
between 'Y' and '9' engines is the exhaust manifolds, cam, and valve
springs.

If you guys can tell me what to look for, I'll try looking it up.

- -Mark Tupper   1987 442
 mtupper@palacenet.net       http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:12:03 -0700
From: Jim Bauman <jbauman@earthlink.net>
Subject: Brake Shoes: which is which

Hi,

I read in a shop manual that it does matter
how you install drum brake shoes -- what I mean
is, one shoe is primary, one is secondary. Supposedly
when you buy shoes, the coefficient of friction for
secondary shoes is different than that of primary shoes.

So, you'd expect there to be the words "primary"
and "secondary" on shoes when you buy 'em .. right?

Nope. So, in the absence of that, is there ANY way to
tell which is which, or do brake manufacturers not
bother with different compunds any more?

Thanks,


Jim Bauman
'65 98 Convertible (Oldsmobile)
'86 Carrera Cabriolet (Racemobile)
'90 Plymouth Voyager (Wifemobile)
'88 Ford Bronco II (Disastermobile)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:48:34 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Shoes: which is which

Jim Bauman wrote:

> ........So, you'd expect there to be the words "primary"
> and "secondary" on shoes when you buy 'em .. right?
>
> Nope. So, in the absence of that, is there ANY way to
> tell which is which, or do brake manufacturers not
> bother with different compunds any more?
>

Jim,
Regardless of brand or compound, drum brakes always have a front and
rear shoe.  The primary shoe has less material on it compared to the
secondary shoe.  The primary shoe goes toward the front of the car and
secondary towards the rear.  An easy tip for remembering this is to
think of a Quadrajet, small primary, large secondary.

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:55:12 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: wanted: center cap

Hey, the ol' mom-in-law's  Olds is missing a centercap, and she thinks it's my
job to find her one. One major prob is I don't know what kind of cap it is; or
car for that matter. I think it is like a 86 Ciera er sumthin like that. It
has aluminum crosslace wheels, and the cap is about as big as one of those
little paper cupcake wrappers, with a red Olds thingy on it. If all this
sounds too desriptive and detailed, sorry. I will try to find out more if I
can. Then again, someone can be nice and E-mail a note saying these have been
discontinued, and none are left in junkyards, so she will get off my back.
thanks
K

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:26:39 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel

Scott if you ever find someone with 2 can you keep me in mind

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: olds@interconti.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Steering Wheel
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:05 PM
>
>
>          Hello all -
>
>          I am searching for a black steering wheel for a 1970
>          Cutlass Supreme - I have not been able to find a new or
>          used one that is any good.  I'm not looking for the
>          sport version, just the stock wheel
>
>          If anyone has one in their junk pile, it is worth
>          something to me.
>
>          thanks,
>          Scott

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:06:49 -0800
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: cars for sale

coyster@earthlink.net
My son is selling his 76 cutlass salon 2 door v-8 auto a/c, ps, pb
buckets......1000.00
and my neighbor is selling a 53 olds 88 2 door nice car for $4000.00
If intersested email me an I will get details

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:54:02 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: aftermarket seat color selection...

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> the sitting parts.  I don't think black buckets will look too bad with
> a white back seat because there is so much other black in the
> interior, or will it look like shit?  I could make the whole interior
> black, but without A/C in a convertible, that's a no-no.  Also the top
> is white too.

To say the least, I think you will be disappointed if you do the black
front seat/white back seat thing.  I would rather be hot with all black
or scrub a lot with all white, but I suspect the car fashion police
would be after you with half and half.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:50:23 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Not Enough Brake Shoe Wear...

Because it finally happened.

Yup.

I been expecting it for some time now.

Got nailed for 47 in a 30 zone.  :P

(He must have been moving, I was going Faster, I think.)
[no speedo yet]

And the policeman was driving an Arrest-YOU Red Ch*tty!

I ID'd him too late but it was easy....

He kept one carlength behind as I turned left at an intersection of two 6-lane
two-way streets.

That just does not happen to me (not lead foot, steel toes)!

RV Mirror: Huh? Still there....Wait a sec..[looking hard into RVM]..oh, chrome
searchlight (folded and semi-concealed in car's profile). May as well signal a
lane change now......

First thing he did was peer at it in the eaarly morning light (I am NOT
reckless in traffic) to check for staple holes. He found none.

I could have paid $20 more than the $75 fine (addendum to operating costs) to
go to traffic school and avoid getting this on my record.

But I WAS speeding. So I have owned up to it and saved my money.

Time to test that brake job.

Or downgrade from 425cid to 394cid (with 3x2GC!....wheeeeeeeeeeee).

Hard to behave yourself when you have SUCH potential.....


KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:50:24 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cam Bank Angle Saga. Was Crazy Questions?

In a message dated 98-06-24 06:02:26 EDT, you write:

<< In  65 I had a 59 "Super 88" 4dr H.T. I also had a couple of extra J-2
intakes.( I still have one) The 59 weighed 4875#. It was fine at a light but
needed a little more mid range. >>

I am not positive it is J-2. While it IS a 6-pak mani, it was sold me by a man
who never actually used it on his 1958 whatever. Plus I have not yet taken
posession. As you still have one would you send me privately the casting #s
for my pos ID (I am sure D. Brown would like your permission to use stampings
in the FAQ) purposes.

<<I don't remember the angles of the intake to head ( you might find them in
some old manual) but could come within a degree or so &using a good non metal
gasket. >>

Do you mean stock, or after some machining you were within a few degrees?

If only few degrees, what are possibilities that with moly bolts and unusually
thick neoprene rubber "gasket" I could "just" bolt it on?

If milling absolutely necessary, how much metal was removed?

<< I think i had to take a little off of the bottom . It is a cut & try
process but it worked.  >>

If manifold IS J-2 I would prefer not to mill, maybe I can use shims. 394
block IS bigger than 371 block right?

<<   59 "Super 88">>  <<I have been looking for one for over twenty  years.
Just missed one in Texas
a few months ago. If anyone [knows] of one - send me a private thread.  >>

1959 Super 88, gotcha. Search mode is on.

Thanks

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:53:31 EDT
From: <Valpal4@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1965 Trim Finishing Lace and America On Hold

unsubscribe

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:01:42 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: 1986 442 questions..!!!

Hi all,
   This is probably the first of many questions and inquiries i am
sure to direct towards all the late model 442 fanatics, so get used
to it..!! First of all, I just purchased a 1986 442 and it was
delivered to me yesterday. I have one question so far and it's about
the SSIII chrome and gold wheels that comes on these cards. The
wheels are in excellent shape other than the gold in the center parts
of the wheels is starting to fade pretty severe. What is the best
procedure to get this gold looking like new money??? Can a quality
paint and body shop have to make this restoration or is there
something I can do to put the luster back in these wheels??? It's my
first 442 and I'm going to have alot of questions about it. It's a
beautiful car other than a few things here and there and I'll try to
post a pic of it soon. Also, anyone that knows of where I can find
some trivial interior parts such as some door trim, plastic chrome
piece thats on the bottom side of the passenger side bucket, cyclops
brake light housing and a few other things to be mentioned later..!!
Please keep this off the list as it is already busy enough and
privately e-mail me if you happen to have some solutions to my
problem areas..!!
    I've owned this car for nearly 25 hrs and I think I'm
falling in love...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hope to hear from some of you..!!

Mike          mailto:krzy4evr@usit.net
Ironto Va
'86 Supreme
'71 monte
'86 442 (newest member of the family)







"If you could explain everything.........
 What be be left to believe in........??

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:07:17 -0500
From: "lou biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: 1984 Olds mentioned previously

To All:

More information on '84 Olds, I told you about online before.  It is a 1984
"Regency Brougham" Four-door.  It has 162,000 miles on it.  The engine and
the tranny were totally rebuilt 35,000 miles ago.  I know the shop that did
it and they are good.  I started the car after it had sat for four days and
 I barely touched the key and it fired right up.  It has a rust hole in the
left front door and a few other spots that don't look too serious.  The
paint is intact (some color of faded brown).  The padded top has no holes,
but is weathered.  Padded dash and door panels look fine but all four seats
will have to be redone.  The present owner is the grandson of the original
owner.  He still has the window sticker in the glove box.  It drives out
nice and tight and the air cond. works great!  Six way seat and power
windows and they all work.  It also has the original thick spoke Olds wire
wheel hubcaps.  Chrome, bumpers, and grille in good shape (a few
scratches).  The seller can be contacted at Home-Brite Hardware Co., phone
number 1-618-233-4466.  His name is Clark Rowden.  There address is:  400
North Illinois St., Belleville, IL 62220.   I got the price down to
$800.00.

If this sounds too good, I want you to know I am not related to this
gentleman, nor am I getting a commission.  I just don't want to see it go
to the shredder!  Hope someone is interested.

Lou Biggs-lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:15:08 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Temp (cooling) questions

Does antifreeze not increase the boil temperature?

Up to a certain point..unless I'm mistaken, antifreeze manufacturers warn
against a 70/30 antifreeze/water mix.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:17:18 EDT
From: <Surmise@aol.com>
Subject: chrome off now what

I alsotook my peeling chrome off the plastic dash.  Really don't want to send
the dash out to rechrome it.  Anyone have any ideas on painting or covering a
67 dash?

John
67 442

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:17:08 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: question

Tom,
     where are you? I need a good body for my '86 parts..mine was thrashed
before I owned it. I live in Seattle. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:21:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Test ride

Last Saturday, the 68 442 was detonating a bit, looked at the temp teller to
see that it was 3/4 up the scale! Pulled over, and found that idling made it go
DOWN!? OK, so I put in a new thermostat, new radiator cap, and dropped the
timing back to 10 BTDC. Took it out for a test last nite... after a sweltering
hot day which ended with tornado-ish hail storm upon leaving work... and
flooding . Luckily I took the truck to work. Anyhoo, she's up & running fine
now, and I was blessed to see coming up in my rear view mirror as I cruised up
Cedar St. a pretty '65 442. We tested each other a tiny bit... makes the whole
thing worthwhile.

I guess Angela had the joy of trouncing the first 5.slow.... AND an 80's F-body
at the same time. Lucky her. Sorry, boys, but this is a big bloke [sic]!

Now, to get that darn top replaced...

Found a black steering wheel, a friend in Bath has a black wheel he'll trade
straight up.

Oh, he also has an NOS W30 cam #569 in case anyone needs one. Dunno how much.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:20:23 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: 1975 442

Hey all,
      If anybody is interested, a wrecking yard here just picked up a '75 442.
I'm not too familiar with them, but it has the swivel buckets in it, and a
455, seemingly complete. I live in the Seattle area. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:44:21 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Borla mufflers

Stan,

I have a Borla "cat-back" system on an off brand (Brand F) 302 daily
driver.  This particular kit ran about $500 bucks but it is T304 stainless
steel and will never need to be replaced again.  I like their permanence
and I think their sound is top notch.  In this particular application, they
are very quiet up to 2K RPM and then they get louder.  They have a good
quality sound to them - far better than equal Flowmaster on same car.

To answer your question, too expensive - maybe.  Too loud, no.  But they
should be the last mufflers you buy for the car.  If you store it winters
or don't live in the rust belt, buy something cheaper.

John

- ----------
> From: Kijowski, Stan <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
> To: 'OLDSMOBILE@CHEBUCTO.NS.CA' <OLDSMOBILE@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Borla mufflers
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:31 AM
>
> What is anyone's opinion on the Borla line of mufflers? I was thinking of
> putting a set on the 72 455 cutlass. Are they too loud? too wimpy? too
> expensive? etc.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:19:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Need 68 V4 PCV tube

Would you not know it, of the 100 metal PCV breather tubes I have, not one is
fitting my 68 air cleaner. Anyone having one of these can enrich themselves and
simultaneously help me out.

Reply to me private email address as seen below please.

Otherwise, I shall have to make 1 or 3 out of the 100 spares.

Say, anyone recall that plan to make a few faux W30 air cleaners with 2 wide
snouts? Golly gee, what should I find at the swap meet, but two chrome air
cleaner lids! Heh heh heee!

And, all hail Bryceman, creator of *the* web site, www.442.com, he is indeed a
God among men.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: folks at the swap meet

 I plan on going to the Olds Homcomming in Lansing Saturday June 20th.
 I thought that a good place to meet up with Other members of the list would
be at Mark Cornea's Restoration Decal booth at 12:00.  He will have the White
tent with the 70 W30 by it.
================
I was there all day, as luck would have it, the parking Nazi made me go where
he says. Met up with David Brown & Karl Aune the nite before, Saw "Mr. Hell",
Doug Harkema I believe, and saw Loris's car, though not him I guess. Kindly,
Mr. Decal sold me an SSI wheel decal to replace the one I lost from the set I
bought last year... speaking or Mr. Cornea... [coincidence: The for sale 66
Toro came from brother's friend, Mark Cornea... but I digress...] his 442 is
just SO bitchin'! So very clean, neatly executed oil pressure and water temp
gages... right ON the engine! I only got to view it for a few minutes, was very
busy. Truly a standard to strive for. Good job, my man!

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:28:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Supercars, SMW 403

Re: SuperCars, Unltd. book:

...them.  The next 4-4-2 By The Numbers printing should be available sometime
late summer/early fall.
Greg Rollin
==================
Most excellent. I just could not believe that that was glossed over, almost
appeared on purpose... all the OTHER cranks are turned to show their notches,
but the FORGED 455 crank, nooooooo. Need some more tips?
- --
I added the few other known intakes to my list in the book, takes up virtually
no more room, and that can often peg an engine/ application/ year. ESPECIALLY
the highly desirable Toronado ID tips! This is utterly crucial.

=== also... on a different note, I got this, and my reply to him...

> Saw your ad on Bryceman's. For verification of a 403 solid main web
> block, try contacting Joe Mondello. I recall reading something he wrote
> concearning this particular block.
> Pete

Yeah. Zactly. I am trying to prove or disprove his claim that they exist, *w/o*
using HIM as the info source. Sorta like using a word in its own definition, ya
know. Thanks for the tip, now all we need is -photos-!
==============
So, Mr. Unlimited, or may I call you SuperCars? :-)

How about it, got any PROOF that these things exist, or are they another Elvis
phenomenon?

Not Rumor, not "Joe says they exist..." or "My cousin's aunt's dog smelt one
once."
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: race, don't argue

I think it will also help that Dave has said he has
trouble getting traction in his car when racing.  But we could argue
this till the cows come home.
>
=========
I could beat both of you together anyhow. Without my cam!

obvious solution:
race it out. best 20 out of 30, if the weather holds. :-)

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: making holes bigger

They're 11x2 inches and practially bolt on.  All they require is a little
filing on the baking plate and replacing the brake lines on the axle.  The
hole in the backing plate that slides over the very end of the axle housing
is too small by  .01 inch or so. You need to take a round file and run it
around the hole until it's just large enough to slide over the axle tube and
allow the backing plate to sit flush against the flange on the axle tube.
=================
Yeeesh, that's what Dremels & die grinders were made for!

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:33:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Olds yard

Then I went over to another junkyard with cars stacked 5 to 6 high. They
wouln't let you walk back there, they would get the part for you. I didn't
even bother with these guys. When you find out the guy who has all olds parts
please let me know!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
=======================
I have 40, does that count?
My brother has as a few too. He gets into chevy, etc. even has a Hemi car.
My yard is ALL Olds [except the Jeep, that's still 'a vehicle'].

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:35:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: RS Parts cars

List is a little old, got another 68 Cutlass since then.

A few of the RS parts cars. Updated 2/98
Cs=Cutlass; CS="S or Supreme; CSup= "Supreme
Hol= no-post body style; HC= Holiday Coupe [typical 2-door]
SC= Sport Coupe, body style with post behind [front] door.

Color  Yr Model Mdl-Spcl  Body       VIN
- -----  -- ----- --------  --------  -----------------
Blue   62 Cs              Conv      621M23445
Blue   64 JStar-88        4dr       834M091796
Blue   65 Dyn88           4dr       35669 5M140587
Blue   65 Starfire        2dr       _____________
Blue   66 Cs              HC        33817 6M288554
Blue   66 Delta           2dr       3xxxx 6x######
Red    66 Toro  Deluxe    HC        39687 6M510799
White  66 Toro  Deluxe    HC        39687 6M507349
Silver 67 Cs              2dr       -GONE-
Blu-gn 67 Delta Custom    4dr Hol   35439 7E140048
Blue   67 98    LS        4dr post  38669 7M214653
Green  68 CS    S         HC        33687 81137694
Blue   68 CS    S         SC        33677 8M127227?
Blue   68 Vista Cruiser   wagon     3xxxx 8x######
Blue   68 98    LS        4dr post  38669 8M320887
Green  68 98    LS        4dr       38669 8M123770
Black  68 Toro            HC        39487 8M615566
Gold   69 CS    S         HC        33687 9M336697
Green  69 CS    S         HC        33687 9M127228
Green  69 Cs    S         HC        34287 9Z134453
Red    70 Vista Cruiser   wagon     3xxxx 0x######
Blue   70 D88             4dr       35469 0M232495
Blue?  70 98    ?         2dr       38457 0M139196
Brown  70 Toro            2dr       396xx 0x######
Green  71 Cs    S         HC        33687 1M141063
Red    71 Cs              HC        33287 1M1?8306
Green  71 Delta88         4dr       -GONE-
Green  72 Cs    S         4dr       3G69H 2R120005
Blue   72 Cs              wagon     3G36H 2M208198
Red    72 442             HC        3G87H 2M204181
Beige  73 CSup            4dr       3J29K 3M111859
Blue?  73 Delta88 Royale  2dr       3xxxx 3x######
Blue   75 Cs              2dr       3F37H 5M293753
Brown  75 D88    Royale             3N39K 5M330928
Beige  76 CSup                      3M57R 6M125681
Brown  76 CSup            4dr       3J29H 6M416526
Blue   76 Delta88 ??      4dr       3N39K 6x######
Red    77 CS    S                   3G29F 7M443771
Blue   77 D88                       3N37L 7M276162
Blu/Blk77 D88   Royale    4dr       3N69R 7M144156
Brown  77 D88             4dr       3N69K 7M359110
White? 78 Hol-88 Holiday  2dr       ???
Blue   79 Cs    Salon     ?         13G87AA M45 2302###
Brown  79 Cutlass Crusr   Wagon     1G3AH35 F9B D450785
Blue   79 Cutlass Crusr   Wagon     1G3_H35 H9_ R452898
Brown  79 Toro            2dr       1G3AZ57 N2C E302499
Brown  81 D88             4dr       1G3AL69 Y2B M323493
Green  81 D88   Royale              1G3AN69 N4B M327620
Green  81 Toro            2dr       1G3AZ57 NXB E335359
                                    ------- --- -------
                                    1234567 890 1234567

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:38:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: SFire motor

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:39:54 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: 1967 Delta 88

I have a 1967 Delta 88 that I bought as a donor car for my 67 Delta droptop.
However, the car is a one owner, 77,000 mile car, equipped with a Starfire
engine.  Watching the conversation on the list about performance Oldsmobile
engines, it seems to me that this engine may be something special.  Is it ?
If so, how special is it ?  Or is it a common engine, not particularly
worthy of attention ?  This engine is cammier than any of my other big block
Oldsmobiles, except for the 442.  It came with factory dual exhaust and, of
course, a four barrel carb.  Pulls real good, too.  If anyone has a feeling
for or about this engine, I would appreciate some input. TIA, Peter.
=========================
They don't get much better than that. Look for the drill spot on the vertical
rib at the rh end of the block id shelf. About 3/8" diameter spot at a 45
degree angle. That's a Good Thing. I love mine.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:42:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 85 service manuals

Not a nibble on the '85 service manuals...
1985 Service Manuals, 9 ea., about 18" of manuals total. $100/all.
- -New Product Service Information Manual- 98 Regency
- -New Product Service Information Manual- all series
- -New Product Service Information Manual
- -Electrical Troubleshooting Manual- Cutlass Supreme, D88 Royale,
   Custom Cruiser, Toronado
- -Electrical Troubleshooting Manual- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service Manual, Vol. I- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service Manual, Vol. II- Firenza, Calais, Cutlass Cierra, 98
- -Chassis Service ManualP Cutlass Supreme, D88 Royale, Custom Cruiser,
   Toronado
- -Troubleshooting Supplement- all series
- ------------
Anyone care to have less than the full set?
$10 a book, hella-bitchin' value AND a DEAL at that.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:47:59 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: aftermarket seat color selection...(brands)

I'm looking at Corbeau seats.  They have a few nice looking ones.
Their cheaper sport seats will be $373 each with custom color vinyl.
I'll have to save for awhile.

The better version is Closer to $600 each, which is too rich for me.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: aftermarket seat color selection...


>What companies seats are you going to get?
>
>-Brett
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
>To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 1:20 PM
>Subject: aftermarket seat color selection...
>
>
>>My '71 cutlass convertible is blue with pearl white interior.  The
>>seat covers are not original, but still kind of off white and
getting
>>nasty looking.  The carpet, dash, and center console are all black.
>>
>>I want to order a set of aftermarket bucket seat which a) recline!
b)
>>hold you in your seat when cornering hard.
>>
>>Here's the problem, color selection.  I can get the cheaper version
in
>>plain white vinyl, but it won't be "pearl white", I can get custom
>>colored vinyl (expensive), or I could just get black cloth, which
will
>>keep me from getting the wet circle on the back when I peel myself
out
>>of my seats.  Or the black vinyl on the sides and back, with cloth
on
>>the sitting parts.  I don't think black buckets will look too bad
with
>>a white back seat because there is so much other black in the
>>interior, or will it look like shit?  I could make the whole
interior
>>black, but without A/C in a convertible, that's a no-no.  Also the
top
>>is white too.
>>
>>Color coordinating challenged,
>>
>>greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 260 Die&sell

About 99% of the ones I see on the road, judging from the soot and smoke that
emits from the tailpipe.  Fortunately, not many are alive anymore.  The
converted 350 diesels...and the even weaker 260 diesels...were a real
embarrassment to GM in general and Oldsmobile in particular.

- - -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
================

I was lookin thru the manuals one day.... spotted that 260 Die&sell motor.

Lookee here, 'tain't a V8 atall! Look, ma, it's a V6!!! Same bore & stroke as
the 350 though! Wow, chop 25% off a 350, you get a 260.... OR you can use a
teeny tiny bore with 8 cylinders.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 70 98 PW stuffs

From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: 70 98 Power Locks

   Does anyone have or know where I can get power lock actuators and/or the
correct, original power lock switches for a '70 Ninety Eight four door?
- ------------------------------
AAAAARGH.
The ONE Big Car I have which is NOT a 4-door! Well, almost.

I do have the 2-door versions if that interests you.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:38:08 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: 71 taillight lenses

does anyone want to trade 72 tail light lenses for 71 lenses
or does anyone have any 71 lenses for sale?
used stuff is okay!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:03:09 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: 70 455 intake

I just put my engine back in and went with 350 motor mounts so that the
headers would bolt up. I have only one problem... My OAI set-up won't fit
because I have an Olds 455 Edelbrock Performer on there. I am in need of:

70 455 stock intake manifold for an automatic car

If you have one please e-mail me privatly with a price.
Thanks,
Jim McKeague

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: museum visit

You will see the Darth Vader car.
But probably not the Hemi Olds.

(But ask! You never know!)

2 hours at the outside, with pix and drooling.
============
They have never given me a problem taking photos. I sent a bunch to bryce, but
they never appeared on the website?

Anyhow, if you explain that it's your wet nap come true to view this particular
car/ engine, you travelled xx miles, blah blah, they will prolly escort you to
the area & let you drool right on it.

'specially when you explain that you will be scanning these photos for the
world to see... which presumably means that you can also email them to the
Museum web site, if indeed they have one already, for more viewers...

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:53:26 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 taillight lenses

Yep I got them

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
> To: olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: 71 taillight lenses
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:38 PM
>
> does anyone want to trade 72 tail light lenses for 71 lenses
> or does anyone have any 71 lenses for sale?
> used stuff is okay!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:51:05 -0500
From: "CD Smalley" <notdadsw41@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: H*lp me identify this car....

Hi All,

I recently found a 1967 Olds F85 for sale in the paper for what I think is
dirt cheap.

Here's what I can tell you about the car.

F85 2 door Post car -Is dark grey now, was a light green/blue.
Interior was black, now needs replaced.
12-Bolt rear end.
Is rusty around the rear fenders.
Has been hit in LR sometime ago and repaired.  bondo is currently cracking.
Engine is painted Gold, 397358 is on the intake, couldn't find any other
numbers,(was getting dark)
Air Cleaner says Oldsmobile Jetfire.
2-speed auto transmission.
Car did have AC, compressor and most other stuff is now missing - Condessor
is there.
Needs new windshield.

VIN# is 334077W378231

Cowl Tag
063
67-33407 LAN 6548
910-A
W2AE 3W
4M

OK guys here's the story.  The kid(16-20 year old) is trying to sell the
car.  Was the fathers car.  The kid told me that the father "left".  It
looks like the family could really use the money.  I might be wrong but I
don't think so.  They live is a very poor part of the town where, until
recently, I worked as a police officer.  I've seen the car sitting for some
time.  Anyway, I think the car is really more of a project than I want at
this time, that and it's not my dream car..  So I told the kid that I would
pass it on to you guys and ask for your h*lp indentifing it so that we could
get a better idea of what the car is worth.
Please e-mail me PRIVATELY, since I'm on digest, with your replys or if your
interested in the car.  I'm near Wichita KS. I really need your help with
this as soon as I can guys.  I want to help these people as much as I can
and still get this car to someone who will put it to good use OK?

Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
OCA #29604
http://home.att.net/~notdadsw41/

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:52:10 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

Thomas Q. Bartee wrote:
>
<snip>
> not too bad but it is noticeable.  There is not much play up and down, just
> a bit side-to-side.  Wanted to see if anyone on the list had encountered
> this and knows what the fix is (and how difficult it is to do).  I haven't
> done any work on either of my Cutlasses on the steering system, so this is
> an area I'm not too knowledgable in.
<snip>
Tom,
  you've got lots of good advice that i won't duplicate...but I will
tell you I just had mine fixed at a dealer here in chicago. (no time to
do it myself...it's been loose almost a year..)  He charged me for three
hours labor (at $74 per...OUCH...I hate Chicago Prices...) and the one
part he needed was an ignition lock cylinder...why I don't know..I'm
gonna ask, just didn't get to it today...  Any one have any ideas of why
the ignition lock would go??  I didn't notice any problems with it...

- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:03:52 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: museum visit & storm tips.

> They have never given me a problem taking photos. I sent a bunch to bryce, 
but
> they never appeared on the website?

I've seen those pictures, but I know if I went, I'd still be taking dozens for
myself anyway...

Hmmm...  Really hot day today, no sign of rain.  Start an outside project
(band-aided 83's driver's door) and now a ~bbbbbig-ass~ storm is blowing in.
Lot's of lightning in the distance, just saw one big strike, so I think I'd 
best
get half of my life's savings (the PC) off the line.  Not much faith in surge
protectors.  If lightning can travel undaunted through hundreds of feet of
~air~, is a little chunk of silicon gonna slow it down ~any~???  Prolly just
p*** it off!  If a line takes a hit a few miles down, and your house sees an
actual surge, they'll definately save some equipment.  If you take a direct 
hit,
you're screwed.  Period.  My advice to those unsure, just unplug anything that
you don't have a direct need for if electrical activity is close.  Phone lines,
cable, electrical, everything you can.  Working at a Radio Shack gives a little
insight, especially when we sold close to $20K in zapped electronics in under a
month.  Good for business, bad for insurance companies (or individuals, if
uninsured, like me!)

Now, I wish I knew what to do with my cars...  That big tree offers great
protection against hail, but I'd hate to see it fall on something...  Like five
cars!  I cringe at the dilemma!  At least I don't see any funnel clouds...  
yet.

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:03:23 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 71 taillight lenses

In a message dated 98-06-25 21:43:11 EDT, you write:

<<
 does anyone want to trade 72 tail light lenses for 71 lenses
 or does anyone have any 71 lenses for sale?
 used stuff is okay!

  >>
Hi Dave
   I have a sets of 71 t/l lens   Used are $0.00 set plus $15.00 S&H   NOS are
$135.00 a set plus $15.00  S&H   I take all major credit cards.  If interested
call me at 1-401-435-7139, if I'm not there leave a message I will call you
back.


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

E & G Automotive
PO Box 16095
9 Newman Ave
Rumford, R.I. 02916

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: SMeet parts wants

OK, from the sheet of items that folks at the swap meet want:

517- #'s are Eastern 1/2 of the lower peninsula more or less. Michigan.

Tim, 517-484-5651, wants a 215 V8 for his 62 F-85. Did I not just see one of
these here a few digests back?

Jerry, 517-882-9964, wants a 7040256 or -258 carb

Ernie, 810-725-3645 wants 1111075 dist'r, he says is for a 350-4V. I dunno.

Ron, 248-477-2922, ants those little 1.5" chrome trims for his 70 Cutlass which
continue the deck lid molding line onto the trailing edged of the rear fender.

RC "Hell" Hellebuck 810-749-6549 wants a carb# 7041257

Fred, 810-736-7973 wants a '65 442 4GC carb & air cleaner.

Jerry 313-882-0882, wants '66 400 breather cap, battery wire protective device
[phenolic tube?] tall oil fill tube, dipstick, door panels.

If you can help these fellers, give THEM a call, eh? T'anks.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:05:44 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 71 taillight lenses

In a message dated 98-06-25 21:43:11 EDT, you write:

<<
 does anyone want to trade 72 tail light lenses for 71 lenses
 or does anyone have any 71 lenses for sale?
 used stuff is okay!
  >>
Dave the used set shud read $40.00 a set


Everett

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:12:04 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

In a message dated 98-06-25 22:55:59 EDT, you write:

<< and the one
 part he needed was an ignition lock cylinder. >>

Probably because they broke it putting it together : )  I can't believe it
would just "go bad". Mine broke because some idiot ( my sister) turned the
ignition without pushing it in...was almost impossible to turn on, and
wouldn't go into "accessory"

Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:44:50 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: FULLY Variable Ignition was Cam Bank Angle Saga.

A while back I wrote:

<....off of the top of my head I have just concieved of adjustable ignition,
where you can alter the moment of spark for each individual cylinder.>

And got feedback from the KS7Racing'ster about restrictions on variable
ignition.

<<  since ignition variances only attainable with computer-controlled setups
are a no-no(more words!). >>

OK. But....

What if it were fully mechanical?
AND so adjustable that you could concievably fire two cylinders at the same
instant?
(Not that anyone would really want to. Prolly requires a dual alternator
setup.)

Paging Dave Smith!

Would a mechanical variable ignition be race-able?

KA
&SOM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:50:43 -0400
From: David & Diane Duvall <duvall@stratos.net>
Subject: pricing

We will soon be selling a 1975 Olds Cutlass with only 44,000 (approx.)
miles.   Where do we find information to determine a fair asking price?

email:   duvall@stratos.net

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: 120 Mph decals

Hello everyone,
         Decals for 120 mph,asking $5 each,Not trying to get rich
here,just recoup my investment.These are not show quality but look
good installed.

                      John

==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:00:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 1A 330 motor

Block ID:  "381917   1A"
with "3" cylinder heads.
Can anyone confirm the existence of the "1A" block?
Was this a factory replacement/remanufacture?
=================
Sounds just like a typical 1966 motor.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:59:44 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 70 455 intake

In a message dated 98-06-25 22:10:30 EDT, you write:

<< I am in need of: 70 455 stock intake manifold for an automatic car
 If you have one please e-mail me privatly with a price.
 Thanks, Jim McKeague >>

Uh, Jim?

Don't bother paying someone for shipping, You can get BB intakes (mostly for
EGR) at your local boneyard for $20-25! I am planning to use the "donated"
intake of a 1976 Delta 88 to convert my 1965 425cid factory 2bbl to a 4bbl
carb. Cost me $20. Just unbolt & block off the EGR fixtures.

OTOH, the "W" intake that went with the "J" block and "J" heads will not (I
think) flow as well as your car's original intake did. And the Performer will
flow air best of the three.

Depends on what is most important to you.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:12:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: museum visit

>They have never given me a problem taking photos. I sent a bunch to bryce, but
>they never appeared on the website?

Not true. They appeared and were available for about 2 years. The photos
and html are still there as a matter of fact. I just removed the link when
the museum got their own site.
For proof, please refer to the folowing URL...  http://442.com/museum.html

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:21:54 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 64 and 65 hood interchageable??

In a message dated 98-06-25 16:28:16 EDT, you write:

<< will a 65 hood fit a 64???? just wondering. thanks  >>


A definite maybe... Some Models VERY similar, does the '64 use a ratchet type
rad-support based hood latch, many (dunno if all) 1965's do, and they appear
to be all the same size. They catch in a square hole in front of hood
underside that is angled down.

If that is so then latching mechanism similar, how about hood hinges?

Actually, now that I think about it, I DID see a coupla 1964 98's.

394s.

Occurs to me that the 1964 hood was slightly smaller than the 1965
hood.....hmmmm.

So, Who has a 1950-1970 GM interchange book?

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:29:22 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Question: Tilt Steering Wobble Side-to-Side

Ahh, the good-ole 8-way tilt...  Very common problem, most common on cars with
power, I've noticed...  A result of having to ~hang on~ a bit too much.  Some
I've seen have like four torx screws holding the column together.  The very
first two pieces installed in the assembly (meaning column comes completely out
and completely torn down to repair.)  OK, with that known in advance, I'll tell
you from experience that they're a pain in the ### to get apart.  Fifty times
worse to get back together.  I fixed the GS's column's 8-way tilt problem, but
could never get the shift gate assembly back together right.  Ended up throwing
the whole thing in a trunk somewhere, and stuck a 78 Buick column in it.  (V6
car, it was tight, ~plus~ had the high beam switch on the column.  Bonus!)
Three hours is busting butt on the project.  It's something I'd probably not 
try
again unless I knew I had a spare, and happened to have a few extra beers in
me...  Ever had to change the turn signal assy?  Or ignition switch?  Remember
the fight you had dealing with that park-lock plate and the bad-a$$ spring
holding it up???  Especially without that fancy compressor?  Trust me.  That
ain't nuthin!!!

Not sure why they would have needed to change the lock cylinder.  Unless they
wanted to revoke that special "key out while running" option.

The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:36:07 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: FULLY Variable Ignition was Cam Bank Angle Saga.

> <....off of the top of my head I have just concieved of adjustable ignition,
> where you can alter the moment of spark for each individual cylinder.>

Hmm... Mechanical means???  For an HEI I guess this would involve ~massive~ 
mods
to the pickup coil assembly, to where each tooth could be moved independantly 
of
the others.  Conceivable, but I'd hate to try tuning it!  Even ~with~ a scope.
OTOH, they already have an electronic means of doing the exact thing.  Called
OBD-II.  Also adjusts mixture on each cylinder.  Can accurately detect even a
20% misfire on any cylinder, detect where it is, and compensate for it
automatically.  Now, if Hypertech can crack into ~that~ system, and do a phone
upload of a new calibration, the new system could prove very potent...

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:40:24 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Supercars, SMW 403

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Re: SuperCars, Unltd. book:
>
> ...them.  The next 4-4-2 By The Numbers printing should be available sometime
> late summer/early fall.
> Greg Rollin
> ==================
> Most excellent. I just could not believe that that was glossed over, almost
> appeared on purpose... all the OTHER cranks are turned to show their notches,
> but the FORGED 455 crank, nooooooo. Need some more tips?
> -

Chris, since the intent of the book was to provide casting numbers, the reason
the cranks were positioned the way they were was to show the location of the
casting number.

> -
> I added the few other known intakes to my list in the book, takes up 
virtually
> no more room, and that can often peg an engine/ application/ year. ESPECIALLY
> the highly desirable Toronado ID tips! This is utterly crucial.
>

No plans to add non 4-4-2 numbers to the book.  "4-4-2 By The Numbers" will
remain numbers for 4-4-2's only.  It was never intended to be an all inclusive
Oldsmobile book.  Once we start adding Toro intakes, we'll need to add the
numbers for other Toro components.  Then 88's, 98's, Starfires, 425's etc.
Plus we don't want readers identifying engines based on intake number alone.

>
>
> ==============
> So, Mr. Unlimited, or may I call you SuperCars? :-)
>

The most common reference seems to be "Mr. Supercars".  (Although, I prefer
Greg).


> ........403 solid main web.
> How about it, got any PROOF that these things exist, or are they another 
Elvis
> phenomenon?
>
> Not Rumor, not "Joe says they exist..." or "My cousin's aunt's dog smelt one
> once."
>

Personally, I've never experienced an Elvis sighting (Oh well) nor a solid main
web 403.  However, I did encounter a guy at a swap meet who insisted his
brothers buddy had a 68 4-4-2 with the rare Chrysler 440-6 (One of 7 made he
"informed" me)........

> --
> Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
> 1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
> Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> --

- --
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
Portland, Oregon
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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