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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, June 27 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1333



Re: museum visit & storm tips.
[Fwd: 70 W25 HOOD F/S]
Re: museum visit & storm tips.
Re: museum visit & storm tips.
LONG list '65-'75 dist's
Re: 425 Timing
Re: Parts available

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:05:07 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: museum visit & storm tips.

> Are you sure, Charley?  Most of the surge protectors I've seen are merely
> outlets behind circuit breakers.  If the voltage is too high (like with a
> direct lightning strike) the circuit breaker trips and you just have to
> reset it.

Well, I still don't like to rely on them.  Try this:  Next storm, attach one 
end
of a surge protector to a very tall steel pole on the roof, preferably one with
a sharp point on it.  Attach the other end to...  yourself.  Give's a new level
of trust, doesn't it?  I'd prefer to just unplug it.  There are several varying
levels of surge protection, but abstenance is the best prevention, as far as my
investment's concerned ;)  As it was, the storm pretty much passed right over 
us
here, but caused some major problems in North Dakota, I guess.

- --
The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:36:41 -0400
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 70 W25 HOOD F/S]

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THIS IS IN THE LOCAL PAPER, I HAVE NO OTHER INFORMATION.
LODI, OHIO
330-948-4169
1970 W-25 HOOD, ORIGINAL, NOT A REPOP...$800.00 CALL AFTER 5:00 EST FOR
DETAILS.. =20

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:04:07 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: museum visit & storm tips.

There are four levels of power protection.
1. Plain power bar with breaker & no guarantee against surges, spikes;
2. Power bar with monetary guarantee against surges, spikes, damage -
generally have at least a $5000.00 - $10,000 five years policy;
3.  Basic UPS which is generally nonlinear interactive, has monetary
guarantee, protects against surges, spikes, supplies power in the event of a
power outage, but has the problem of when the power comes back on, just
allows in in without checking the quality, may supply power in a brown out;
4.  Line interactive UPS full protection for surges, spikes, etc., has
monetary guarantee, supplies power in a brown out not just when the power
goes off, is interactive with the line, supplies power when the power is off,
constantly samples the power whether it is coming back on or there is not
sufficient power to run the system when the power has not gone off, test the
power when it comes back to make sure it is of proper quality before
switching over, etc.

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Are you sure, Charley?  Most of the surge protectors I've seen are merely
> outlets behind circuit breakers.  If the voltage is too high (like with a
> direct lightning strike) the circuit breaker trips and you just have to
> reset it.  If you're good, everything's on an UPS, but even the cheapest
> surge protectors have the circuit breaker thingies.
>
> Olds content:  all my Oldsmobile e-mail and pics are behind one of these
> UPS/surge protectors, so I trust them to some degree at least...
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: museum visit & storm tips.
>
> >If you take a direct hit, you're screwed.  Period.
> >
> >The Oldsmobile Magnet -- Charley Buehner@Sidney Montana
> >mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
> >http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner  -- Oldsmagnet Homepage
> >OldsList Vital Info: http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:28:42 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: museum visit & storm tips.

>> Are you sure, Charley?  Most of the surge protectors I've seen are merely
>> outlets behind circuit breakers.  If the voltage is too high (like with a
>> direct lightning strike) the circuit breaker trips and you just have to
>> reset it.
>
>Well, I still don't like to rely on them.  Try this:  Next storm, attach
one end
>of a surge protector to a very tall steel pole on the roof, preferably one 
with
>a sharp point on it.  Attach the other end to...  yourself.  Give's a new 
level
>of trust, doesn't it?

I think it's been said before, but if lightning travels thousands of feet
through air before it even gets *near* your surge protector, do you really
think the .01 inch of air between the circuit breaker contacts can stop it?
Last summer lightning struck somewhere near my house.  It blew the fuses in
our phone box, fried the answering machine, and didn't bother the two
telephones on the circuit.  My computer was unplugged from the wall and the
phone line, so it survived.  In addition, the same lightning strike managed
to zap my dad who was cooking at the stove, and no, the plastic handle on
the spatula didn't help much. :)  (He was fine, BTW, it obviously wasn't a
direct hit.)

Olds content:

I park the Vista Cruiser next to the house if there's a severe storm
warning.  I figure that's at least *some* shelter,  against flying debris at
least.  Oh, BTW, has anyone considered lashing a couple of air matresses to
the top of thier car when they hear a hail warning?......No, seriously.  It
might be worth some piece of mind when the local TV weatherdork starts
throwing around words like "golfball sized hail."  Just a thought anyway.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: LONG list '65-'75 dist's

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --
for the archives...
==============
Chassis Service Manuals' listing of all numbers known. W-options may not be
mentioned.

All dist #'s from the OCSM's [Olds Chassis Service Manuals]

L-6 [Chevy] engines not included.

For a few of the hotter units, I included the advance curve specs.

Note that factory vacuum advance canisters generally are stamped with the last
3 digits of the part#  and the total vacuum advance it makes, in degrees. E.g.,
the first 1965 unit shown should be stamped "210  16" if it provides 16 degrees
of vacuum advance.

Dist #   Vac Unit   Applications
- --1965--
1110322  1116210 All 33xx, 35xx series [Cutlass]
1111029  1116232 34xx-36xx all, 3855, 3865, 52xx w/L65 [L65= 330 LC]
1111048  1116232 3827, 3837, 3867, 52xx exc. L65, all L74 & L76
                 [U500003G, T500003G engine ID's 330-4V 10.25 CR]
1111042  1116232 54-86, 34, 36, 38xx w/L77 or L78
1111089  1116232 56-58 w/L65

- --1966--
1111048  1116232 330 HC & L74, L76
1111048 [specs: VA begin 6-8 inHg, 9 deg @15.5-19.5 inHg.
                Mech 0-2 @400RPM, 7.7-9.7 @1025, 14-16 @2000]
1111029  1116232 330 LC
1111042  1116232 400/425-2V HC
1111151  1115361 425-4V HC
1111151 [specs: VA begin 8-10 inHg, 9 deg @16.5-18.5 inHg.
                Mech 0-2 @600RPM, 3.5-5.5 @900, 8-10 @2100]
1111089  1116232 425 LC

- --1967--   *= UHV or Capacitive Discharge Ignition System
1111048  1116232 330 HC & L74, L76
1111029  1116232 330 LC
1111042  1116232 400/425-2V HC
1111188  1116232 UHV dist'r for 400/425-2V HC
1111151  1115361 425-4V HC
1111179  1115361 UHV dist'r for 400/425-2V HC
1111089  1116232 425 LC
1111189  1116232 UHV dist for 425 LC

- --1968--   *K66=  UHV or Capacitive Discharge Ignition System
1111286  1973406 350 LC
1111299  1115361 350 HC
1111466  1973407 400 LC
1111287  1973408 400 HC MT exc. W30
1111290  1973408 400 HC MT exc. W30, w/UHV
1111290 [specs: VA begin @8-10 inHg, 12 deg @18.5-20.5 inHg.
                Mech 0.4-2.4 @500RPM, 8-10 @900, 10-12 @2000]
1111468  1973418 400 HC AT & all W30
1111468 [specs: VA begin @10-12 inHg, 8 deg @16-18 inHg.
                Mech 0.5-2.5 @450RPM, 7-9 @1000, 9-11 @1900]
1111470  1973418 400 HC AT & all W30, w/UHV
1111288  1973407 455 LC
1111291  1973407 455 LC, w/UHV
1111289  1973408 455 HC exc. W34
1111292  1973408 455 HC exc. W34, w/UHV
1111469  1973408 455 HC w/W34
1111471  1973408 455 HC w/W34, w/UHV

- --1969--  *No K66 [UHV ignition system] listed in CSM
1111961  1973408 350 LC
1111930  1115361 350 HC
1111933  1973418 400 HC AT & all W30
1111933 [specs: VA begin @10-12 inHg, 8 deg @16-18 inHg.
                Mech 0.5-2.5 @450RPM, 7-9 @1000, 9-11 @1900]
1111932  1973408 400 HC MT exc. W30
1111932 [specs: VA begin @8-10 inHg, 12 deg @18.5-20.5 inHg.
                 Mech 0.4-2.4@ 500RPM, 8-10 @900, 10-12@ 2000]
1111934  1973407 455 LC
1111935  1973408 455 HC exc. W34
1111936  1973408 455 HC w/ W34
1111936 [specs: VA begin @8-10 inHg, 12 deg @18.5-20.5 inHg.
                Mech 0-2@550RPM, 5-7 @1000, 9-11@1800]

- --1970--        *No K66 [UHV ignition system] listed in CSM
1111975    1115361 350-4V A-body AT, AT w/AC, MT, AT or MT w/W31.
                   [QN,QP,QV,QX,QD]
1111976    1973408 350-2V A-body AT, AT w/AC, MT [engines QA,QJ,QI]
1111976    1973408 350-2V B-body AT, AT w/AC, MT [engines TD,TC,TL]
1111981 *1 1973427 455-2V-HC A-body [TX,TY]
1111982    1973427 455-4V-HC A-body [TW,TV,TU]
1111979    1973427 455-4V-HC A-body AT w/W30 [TT]
1111979 [specs: VA begin @10-13 inHg, 4.2-7.3 deg @16 inHg.
                Mech 0-3.5 @375RPM, 7- 10.3 @575, 14-16 @1500]
1111977    1973427 455-4V-HC A-body MT w/W30 [TS]
1111977 [specs: VA begin @10-13 inHg, 4.2-7.3 deg @16 inHg.
                Mech 0.4-2.4@ 500RPM, 8-10 @900, 10-12 @2000]
1111981 *1 1973427 455-4V-HC Vista Cruiser AT [TQ,TP]
1111980    1973408 455-2V-HC B&C-body (88 & 98) [UC,UD,UJ]
1111981 *1 1973427 455-4V-HC AT B&C-body (88 & 98) [UN,UO]
1111982    1973427 455-4V-HC AT B&C-body (88 & 98) Police W-33 engine [UL]
1111981 *1 1973427 455-4V-HC AT E-body (Toronado) [US,UT]
1111982    1973427 455-4V-HC AT E-body (Toronado) w/W34 [UV,UW]
1111978 *2 1973430 All where 1111981 is used above
*1= 1st type, *2= 2nd type

- --1971--
1112079  1973407 350 A-body  [tune-up label OA,OB]
1112085  1973407 350-4V A-body  [tune-up label OB]
1112079  1973407 350-2V B-body [tune-up label OA]
1112033  1973408 455 A-body [tune-up label OD,OF,OG,OK]
1112036  1973407 455 A-body [tune-up label OE]
1112034  1973407 455 A-body [tune-up label OE,OL]
1112033  1973408 455 B&C-body [tune-up label OF,OG,OJ]
1112078  1973408 455 E-body (Torondo) [Engine US,UT] [tune-up label OH]

- --1972--
1112106  1973407 350-2V [code QA,QB,QC,QN]; 350-4V-MT [QD,QE]
1112085  1973407 350-4V-AT [QJ,QK,QP]
1112033  1973408 350-4V exc. MT/W30/Toronado [UA,UB,US,UT]
1112034  1973407 455-AT-w/W30 [UL,UN.UO]
1112036  1973407 455-MT-w/W30 [UL,UN.UO]
1112036 [specs: VA begin @6-8 inHg, 13 deg @16-17.5 inHg.
                Mech 0.4-2.4 @500RPM, 8-10 @900, 10-12 @2000]
1112172  1973408 455-4V-AT Toro & MT [UD,UE,UU,UV]
1112033  1973408 455-4V-MT [UD,UE,UU,UV]

- --1973--
1112226  1973468 350-2V L-32 & L-33; Omega, Cutlass [code QP,QQ,QS,QT];
                 "88" [code QN,QO]
1112195  1973453 350-4V L-34 AT (exc. wagon)
                 Omega, Cutlass [code QA,QB,QJ,QK]
1112225  1973453 350-4V L-34 AT wagon Vista Cruiser [code QU,QV]
1112222  1973453 350-4V L-34 MT Omega, Cutlass, V.C. [code QC,QD,QE,QL]
1112197  1973232 455-4V L-75 MT Cutlass [engine UD]
1112197  1973232 455-4V L-74 & L-75 AT Cutlass, 88, 98 [engines UA,UB,US,UT]
1112198  1973466 455-4V-AT L-78 AT Toronado [engines UU,UV]

- --1974--
1112195  1973453 350-4V L-34 AT (exc. wagon)
                 Omega, Cutlass [code QB,QC,QL,QO]
1112226 *1  1973468 350-4V (Calif.) L-34 AT (exc. wagon)
                 Omega, Cutlass [code TB,TC,TL,TO]
1112828 *1  1973468 350-4V (Calif.) L-34 AT (exc. wagon)
                 Omega, Cutlass [code TB,TC,TL,TO]
1112550  1973427 455-4V L-76 [UV,UX] Cutlass
1112225  1973453 350-4V L-35 [code QU,QW] "88" cars;
                        L-34 wagon AT [QU,QW] Cutlass, V.C.
1112197  1116232 455-4V (Calif.) L-74 &L-75 AT [UA,UC,UL]
                 Cutlass, wagons, 88, 98.
1112531  1973496 455-4V (Calif.) L-74 &L-75 AT [VA,VC,VL]
                 Cutlass, wagons, 88, 98.
1112506  1973474 455-4V w/K-86 L-74 [UB,UD,UN] 88 & 98
1112532  1973499 455-4V w/K-86 (Calif.) L-74 [VB,VD] 88 & 98
1112827  1973497 455-4V-AT L-78 [UO] Toronado
1112825  1973496 455-4V-AT (Calif.) L-78 [VO] Toronado
1112830  1973500 455-4V-AT w/K-86 L-78 [UP] Toronado
1112829  1973499 455-4V-AT w/K-86 (Calif.) L-78 [VP] Toronado
1112172 *2  1973408 455-4V L-78 [VS] Ambulance, Hearse; [VV,VT] Motor Home
1112082 *2  1973408 455-4V L-78 [VS] Ambulance, Hearse; [VV,VT] Motor Home
417923   -none-  455-4V-LC [BA] Marine
417961   -none-  455-4V-HC [BC] Marine
1112228  1973430 455-4V [CE] Irrigation motor
NOTES: *1) 1112226 = 1112828; *2) 1112172 = 1112082.

- --1975--  including 400 Chevy motor info but not 231 V6 or 250 I6.
1112951  1973556 260-2V (Calif.) LV8 AT (Calif.)
                 [code TE,TJ,TP,TT] Omega, Cutlass
1112956  -none-  260-2V (Calif.) LV8 AT (Calif.) [code TE,TJ,TP,TT]
                 Omega, Cutlass
1112896  1973525 Omega 350-2V L-32  (exc. Calif.) [RS,RT];
                       350-4V L-77 AT (exc. Calif.) [RW,RX];
                       350-4V L-77 AT (Calif.) [PA,PP]
1112936  1973531 350-4V (Calif.) L-34 AT
                       [code QL,QO,QX,QU,Q2,Q3,Q4,Q5] Cutlass, 88.
1112953  1973536 350-4V (Calif.) L-34 AT [code TL,TO,TX,TU,TW,TY] Cutlass, 88.
1112500  1116493 400-2V L-65 AT (exc. Calif.) [YH,YJ] 88 exc. Wgn.
1112928  1973493 400-4V L-48 AT (exc. Calif.) [YM,YT]
                        (YM= early prod.) 88 Wgns, 98.
1112958  1973514 400-4V L-48 AT (exc. Calif.) [YL] (late prod.)
                        88 Wgns, 98 sedans.
1112937  1973563 455-4V L-74 AT (exc. Calif.) [UB,UC,UD,UE] &
                                   (Calif.) [VB,VC,VD, VE] Cutlass, 88, 98.
1112952  1973563 455-4V-AT L-78 [UP,U2] Toronado (exc Calif)
                                or [VP] (Calif.)
1112893  1973523 455-4V-AT L-78 [RA,RC] (exc. Calif.) Motor Homes
1112945  1973560 455-4V-AT L-78 [RB] (Calif.) Motor Homes
417961   -none-  455-4V-HC [ML] Marine
418482   -none-  455-4V-LC [MK] Marine
550360   -none-  350-4V-LC [engine MJ] Marine
1112228  1973430 455-4V [CE] Irrigation motor
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:26:20 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Timing

In a message Josh wrote:

<< Can anyone tell me the correct timing for the 66 425ci motor? Also when I
look at the timing tab at the balancer it is just three little marks.  No
numbers.  Can anyone tell me what the marks mean and which is 0 degrees?  >>

The spec for 1965 is 7.5 before TDC, just like 1966.
My timing marks may be different though.

My timing "tab" has three holes in it and three marks.
I did not find the holes until I did a "little" cleaning, but they told me
what the marks were.
The three marks on mine at O, 5 and 10 degrees.

And the three holes?

They were actually indicating the timing, a O at the bottom and a 10 at the
top.
All punch-outs.

I cannot be certain off-hand, but it may be possible to tell definitely which
marks are which by the indicator's position relative to the front cover
bolts...

If you are willing to try.. (i.e. blindly follow the suggestion of someone who
does not know for certain) set timing between the top two marks, that should
be 7.5 degrees before TDC. If your timing chain has any wear, you may end up
adjusting it to 10 or higher.....

Good luck.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:26:59 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts available

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In a message dated 98-06-26 11:06:50 EDT, you write:

<< 1966 hubcaps $10.00 >>

Are these for 15" wheels?

What do they look like?

Anything like Soylent's?



Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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