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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, July 5 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1347



W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Re: 69 442
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
71 Cutlass Supreme For Sale
Re: powder coating
Re: powder coating
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie (who cares?)
KEEP OR SELL
4th
Re: powder coating
1986 Toronado (fwd)
The Trip to Oldsland
Web Pages
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie (who cares?)
Re: Web Pages
My Fusick's Story
Re: engine just got sick
Re: partscar!
Electric Fuel Pump Install
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie - Yah! Right!
Re:Olds 455- hard time turning over! -STOP!
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install
Re: Carb and Manifold question
Re: KEEP OR SELL
WOW!!
69 442/W30 F/S?
Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?
Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?
Hollywood, and 'movie cars'
Re: WOW!!
HURST shift kit TH400
Re: partscar!
Re: Web Pages
Re: HURST shift kit TH400
all "list " members
Re: Re:Olds 455- hard time turning over! -STOP!
Re: Vin question
Re: WOW!!
Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question
Re: WOW!!
RE: Web Pages
RE: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.
RE: 87' 442 for sale
Re: 87' 442 for sale
Re: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.
Re: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.
Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?
Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
Re: Web Pages
Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
New Web Page
Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie
Re: Fire
How many were made???
Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
Re: How many were made???
Re: How many were made???

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:54:12 -0400
From: "Michael Dunn" <MDAqua@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

Hello Folks!

I am new to the list and this will be the first of many "dumb" questions to
come -- but what the heck you have to start somewhere!

I recently purchased a 72 Cutlass Convertible - fairly well optioned, A/C,
power steering, bucket seats, AM/FM Stereo 8-track, etc. etc. - 350 and
_single_ exhaust.  Interesting thing is the car came with a factory W-25
hood and all the underhood goodies that go with it (at least as I purchased
it).  That brings me around to my questions...

1)  Barring the fact that somebody would have actually done this, could you
have purchased the O.A.I. option without ordering dual exhaust in '72?  The
hood is marked 3/20/72 underneath with a builders crayon, but the
combination seems odd.  My assumption is that the original owner was either
dodging higher insurance rates when they ordered the car or the hood was
added by someone before I bought the car.

2)  It looks like birds have nested inside each of the scoops (tons of
leaves and pine tags).  The screen is still tacked in place under the hood.
Any suggestions for a _graceful_ way to clean these out?

Oops, one other odd question that's been gnawing at me...

3)  The car was originally black and the Fisher Body Tag proves this out
with a #19 color code, but my searches on the internet and through several
books, indicate ebony black was not an available option on the Supremes in
'72.  Can anybody provide a little more detail?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Mike
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:00:55 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

I hope no one was actually insulted by my e-mails..  If you're hypersensitive,
or you have a problem with anything I said, please don't respond..

Take care, everyone!!!

And, yes Bob, you are tired and cranky.. guess you should've stayed in bed!

Erik

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:04:16 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442

>> Happy 4th everyone!!! Thanks for the line on the prndsl
shift plastic, but
>> can anyone help me on the specs for the hood stripes for
a 69 hood? Also,
>> car is black on black, are the stripes always white?

I have the Assembly Manual diagrams for both the stripe
dimensions and the color charts. Tried to send jpg copies to
your email addresss but they were returned the address
wasn't found.
Let me know your correct address if you would like copies.
====================================================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass S convertible
1980 Toronado Brougham
OCA# 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:15:47 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

Hey Erik.....your address is appropriate.  Wayne

LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:
>
> I hope no one was actually insulted by my e-mails..  If you're 
hypersensitive,
> or you have a problem with anything I said, please don't respond..
>
> Take care, everyone!!!
>
> And, yes Bob, you are tired and cranky.. guess you should've stayed in bed!
>
> Erik

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 14:09:23 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:
>
> I hope no one was actually insulted by my e-mails..  If you're 
hypersensitive,
> or you have a problem with anything I said, please don't respond..
>
> Take care, everyone!!!
>
> And, yes Bob, you are tired and cranky.. guess you should've stayed in bed!
>
> Erik


I agree with Bob, it was written in a rather insulting and rude way.
But I'm sure he did not mean it that way.  Everybody shake hands and be
happy!!

Erik Badzinski,
'72 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:28:00 -0400
From: wolfwoman98@monad.net
Subject: 71 Cutlass Supreme For Sale

Hi all..........as much as it pains me to do so, the time has come to
sell the Roket.

Can't get into it right now, and can't even believe I'm doing this, but
here's a little info, if you are interested, please email me privately
at   wolfwoman98@monad.net


1971 Cutlass Supreme 2 dr hardtop
350 w/ 4bbl
TH350 trans
115k miles
Daily summer driver

Car is in New Hampshire.  Asking $2500 or best *reasonable* offer.

Stephani

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 14:28:27 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: powder coating

>>
>> hey gang ,im thinking of starting my own shop were i do sand blasting
>> buffing /polishing ,metal pretection (like por 15)and powder coating
>> i have all the tool and stuff to do it,but if i do will you guys need
>> alot of stuff done?becuse i dont know if it will be warth doing ,if i
>> wont get alot of business(know what i meen)
>
>
>Do we get that OLDS discount?
>
you know it,you guys help me ,i help you .

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:48:03 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: powder coating

where would you be located

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:52:30 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie (who cares?)

> I hope no one was actually insulted by my e-mails..  If you're 
hypersensitive,
> or you have a problem with anything I said, please don't respond..

Coming to this list, talking down to us like we're idiots, then telling
us NOT to respond......heh heh.   Came to the wrong list dude.  Oh, man,
the nerve...ok, I'll take that advice.  Look at me, I'm not responding.

Talk about who should have stayed in bed!?!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:53:50 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: KEEP OR SELL

I have an 84 delta 88 royale 2dr with a 307 quadrajet the car only has 88,000
miles on it but it needs new doors and quarter panels the engine runs great
but i'm not sure the bodywork would be worth it if any one has any prices on
doors and quaters let me know
i'd hate to sell the car if I can fix it  considering I just started working
in a body shop I would talk to them about parts but with me just starting I
think it would be rude any help is appreciated.

James Skarda

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: 4th

is this place great or what?

where else can you put on your flag t-shirt, flag shorts, flag socks, get
in your 400 inch, 4 speed, 2 tires burning, american made steel and go for
a ride and every one is having a good time?

47rocket98

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:29:43 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: powder coating

>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170
>X-Orcpt: rfc822;"|/csuite/etc/majordomo/wrapper resend -l oldsmobile -h
chebucto.ns.ca oldsmobile-mml"
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Precedence: bulk
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>where would you be located
>
three oaks MI,but you can send it in the mail

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:32:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 1986 Toronado (fwd)

Sent to me privately, perhaps someone can assist?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Beppipe@aol.com
Subject: 1986 Toronado

I'm interested in the Oldsmobile club, but more importantly I'm inquiring
about a Twentieth anniversary edition Medallion for my 1986 Toronado Hood - It
was stolen and it looks like hell.  If you good help me locate one I would
greatly appreciate it.
Thank you, Brian

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:59:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: The Trip to Oldsland

Unbeknownst to most of you, I was away from home and list duties from
Wednesday morning until now. If you have an admin problem that isn't
corrected in the next few hours, drop me a note.

The reason I was away was to do a parts pickup run. Only about 2100km
(1300 mi.) round trip. Visited Boston, Mass., to pickup a cutout rear
bumper for my Cutlass - just fits in the Delta's back seat ;-) - then on
to Rhode Island to buy a set of front disks from Everett Horton. Met Dr.
Bob Barry while I was there too. Then onto Hartford and a visit to
Fusick's -- more on that later.

The Delta held up OK, though I wasn't able to get the cracked x-man fixed
before I left and it got worse on the way home (Everett, I should have
bought that one you had!). Sounds like Benny Parsons' Nascar Olds now.
Made me wish I had a/c in the Delta too... I forgot it was the 4th of July
holiday weekend there and I sat on I-95 and 495 in bumper to bumper
traffic for hours on Friday. Is it always like this? At least the Delta
didn't overheat. Nice to have all that room for my purchases too.

I had to hook up with a guy named Rich Spear in Boston for the bumper, but
surprisingly had no problems finding his place. Odd to see a backyard full
of old Oldses in the center of Boston. He seems to have a bunch of stuff
though he needs to get it organized. By contrast, I had a comical time
finding Everett's place in Rumford, just outside Providence. You need to
be part scout to find your way around there. ;-) I even stopped at the
visitor info center in Pawtucket, got a handwritten set of instructions
from a nice young lady, followed them exactly -- and ended up in the wrong
*city*. Everett eventually flagged me down while I was driving aimlessly
around town. If I didn't hear him shout at me as I drove past I guess he
would have had to throw himself in front of the Delta to stop me. Dr. Bob
was there already. He looks not at all like I would expect -- funny how
you get these mental images of folks. Bob looks like he just got out of
high school last week. If you are ever in the area (and don't get lost)
you should give Everett a call and drop in. His warehouse is quite
amazing. Remember, he bought loads of stuff when Hall's Salvage shut down
last year and he's still trying to sort it all out. We had a nice lunch
(thanks again!) and I set off for Hartford.

That is the subject of another message... for now, good to be home.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Web Pages

Matt Creman wrote:
I found it was easiest to just learn HTML. I didn't even go
buy a single book. When I saw something on a page that was cool, and I
decided I wanted it on my page, I just "viewed source" copied,
modified, and pasted it on my page. It wasn't an overnight education,
and I find it a lot more satisfying knowing that I created the page
from scratch, and didn't use the "easy" way.

***********
Been there done that! I started with Tripod's homepage builder, and
built a simple page, with no pictures. Then I uploaded an existing
.jpg from my PC to use at the top. Then I did the "view source" and
was able to easily change the syntax when I ~finally~ got one of my
own pictures scanned in and saved as a .jpg. Try the "view source"
when visiting various pages....pretty soon you'll get the hang of HTML.

==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:48:59 EDT
From: <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie (who cares?)

maybe he's one who didn't get any last night?

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:51:39 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Web Pages

John Pajak wrote:
>
> Matt Creman wrote:
> I found it was easiest to just learn HTML. I didn't even go
> buy a single book. When I saw something on a page that was cool, and I
> decided I wanted it on my page, I just "viewed source" copied,
> modified, and pasted it on my page. It wasn't an overnight education,
> and I find it a lot more satisfying knowing that I created the page
> from scratch, and didn't use the "easy" way.
>
> ***********
> Been there done that! I started with Tripod's homepage builder, and
> built a simple page, with no pictures. Then I uploaded an existing
> .jpg from my PC to use at the top. Then I did the "view source" and
> was able to easily change the syntax when I ~finally~ got one of my
> own pictures scanned in and saved as a .jpg. Try the "view source"
> when visiting various pages....pretty soon you'll get the hang of HTML.
>
> ==
> "2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"
>
> John Pajak
> Lexington Park, Maryland
>
> Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
> http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Yeah, I also agree that learning html by yourself and without a book is
the best way.  That is how I started out, and now I am working full time
for a company building web pages.  It's not hard to learn at all.

I started with the html programming software called webedit.  I think by
far they have the best software out their for building your own html.

I learned how to build Frame pages just the same way Matt and John
learned, by going to pages and finding stuff I liked.  It's that simple!

Erik B.
'72 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:28:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: My Fusick's Story

I had a group order for stuff from Fusick's that was part of the reason for
my trip down to New England. I kept meaning to call them for a week or so
previous just to confirm they had things in stock, but figured that it
was too late then anyway for them to do anything about it. So I planned
to stop in Friday morning, spend an hour or two, maybe get some pics or
otherwise snoop around. Everett told me to ask Mike Fusick for a deal. :)

I left my motel early Friday morning and only got a little lost finding
East Windsor, Conn.  But I found Thompson Rd. on the first try and
cruised up to #22. Hmmm, looks awfully quiet. Actually, the entire
industrial park looked really quiet. They couldn't be.... CLOSED!!!
Arggh! How would some Canadian know that they mark the 4th of July on the
3rd when it falls on a Saturday? I drove 700 miles for this?!? Words
cannot describe how desperate I felt. Staying until they reopened on
Monday was not an option.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I trekked to a nearby gas
station and borrowed the guy's phone book. There were a couple of Fusicks
listed, one of them Mike. Called, no answer. Found out later it wasn't
him anyway, but rather his dad, and that he was out of town anyway. No
other Fusicks listed that looked close. Couldn't find Dave Jackson's name
either but hmmm... there are two M. Priessners listed. Could it be Mark?
I called, got a young fellow on the other end, asked if he worked at
Fusick's. "No, you want another Mark Priessner. You got his number?" Uh,
no, would you mind? "Sure." GOLD!

I called the other number, recognized his voice right away. Explained my
situation, would it be possible to open the place up, etc. etc.? "Sure, no
problem, I'll be there in a half-hour." Holy cow, am I lucky or what?
Right on time, Mark pulled in. He couldn't figure out how I found him, and
complimented me on my detective work when he heard my story. I then came
to find out that he was actually on vacation, but wanted to help me out
anyway. I felt a little guilty when I found that out, but he took my list
and let me wandere around the warehouse with him while he handed me stuff
as he found it on the shelves. They have loads of stuff obviously, but
their catalog doesn't do it justice. Amazingly, everything I wanted was
in stock.

I got a quick look at the part of the place where they store their show
cars -- all I can say is that they are gorgeous, especially a '40? 4-door
convertible. Because of the circumstances I didn't want to take a lot of
Mark's time by hanging around and gawking, taking lots of pics, etc. I got
my order, paid him, and left after about a half-hour. And no, I didn't ask
for a discount. ;-) Mark was remarkably pleasant given that I called him
out of the blue on a holiday to help me out. I couldn't thank him enough,
and I want to drop a note to Mike F. himself to tell him what a great guy
he has working for him. Sometimes the gods are on your side.

Olds people -- Mark, Everett, Dr. Bob -- you're the best!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 21:58:11 -0400
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: engine just got sick

Gregory Zimmerman, zimmermangm@email.msn.com, wrote:

>After I leaned it out too far (surging, bad idle), I went back the original
>jetting and it still won't run!

Did you do any WOT runs on the engine when it was in this state ?

>Some of ones the engine almost dies, but on two or three of the plugs, I can't
>tell a difference when I unplug them.  There's a huge fat spark jumping, but
>the engine doesn't sound any different with them pulled.

I'd get out the compression tester and have a look, Greg, just to rule out
the ugly possibilities. Presuming everything is OK there, it sounds like a
vacuum leak.

Let us know...

Rich
- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:19:48 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: partscar!

In a message dated 98-07-01 18:56:08 EDT, you write:

<< but it will be good for sheetmetal, as it is
 mostly cancerfree!I r >>
Where are you located???  Is it a hardtop???   I need pass rear quarter for a
'64 and have been told a '65 will fit.   I am in northern Indiana.
Mr57olds
'54 olds
'57 olds
'64 442 conv
'64 cutlass hardtop

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:36:32 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Electric Fuel Pump Install

I installed a Holley electric fuel pump on my 70 455 today.  The install
went well and the test drive was fine - but the little vibration noise this
thing makes will take some getting used to.

Should something be done with the vacuum return line that runs from the
tank to the old mechanical fuel pump?  This is the smaller line that runs
parallel to the live fuel line.  I believe that it's purpose is to return
air to the tank replacing fuel that flows out.

By the way, Year One sells a slick little chrome cover for where you remove
the old pump for about $10.

Any thoughts?  Is it OK to just leave the return line unobstructed?

John  Gill
jgill@idmi.com

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:03:22 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie - Yah! Right!

You guys are right to dismiss this out of hand;

<<  I've been contacted by a company which places motion pictures in movies
and TV.  >>

I thought movie studios had their own 'props'.
BTW what is wrong with the 4 4 2 from Demo. Man?

<< I thought my blue '69 Cutlass S convertible had the 'role' in the bag.
(After all, they approached me.) >>

Really?
Why did they approach you?

<< However, they have their eyes on a (yet undiscovered) '71 red convertible..
442, SX are okay. >>

If they approached you, why are they dissatisfied with your car?

<< I'd also like to see blue '69 convertibles, 69-72 red.. If you've got one,
or know of one, in the SoCal area, available in early August, YOU MUST CONTACT
ME IMMEDIATELY!!  It's possible we'll need more than one, possible that we'll
need another car for interiors, etc.
  SEND E-MAIL -- with photos, if available -- to : >>

Lemme get this straight. They came to you (or something) but not happy with
your car. So YOU, not THEY, want pictures of other peoples 1969-1971
musclecars?

<< The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
projects (i.e. music videos)... >>
- -and-
<< P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
 this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they say
in
 this business, "We'll call you." >>

AHA!

So, Mr. Cannon Fodder, you want pix of classic Oldsmobiles to be sent to you.
And these images _naturally_ become your property for no compensation?

Can you say make-big-money-by-publishing-a-car-calendar-with-only-a-small-
investment?

<< If you have a problem with this, don't send me anything. >>

Finally, we agree.

Please do not send this Bozo anything!

As for what side of the bed I got up on....

I live in Chicago, where I have worked in a filling station at one time
(hafta've been there), and on two occasions have foiled prople from conning me
outa my AOL password.

Just call me Grumpy the malignant Dwarf.

KA
&SOM




  >>

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:14:25 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re:Olds 455- hard time turning over! -STOP!

In a message dated 98-07-04 12:19:03 EDT, you write:

<< Yes the motor was primed twice before starting witht the priming tool.
 Today I'm gonna try shimming the starter to see if that helps. I hope it
 works. If not I will probably go with the Dick Miller mini starter or the
 Tilton mini-starter  >>

Wait!

Stop!

Do NOT shim the starter for reluctant starts.
Shimming does not affect torque. Only clearance!
A starter that needs more/less shim will make noise!

If I could find the scrap of paper that came with my reman Starting motor, I
would give more specifics...
So more later.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 20:19:36 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Fuel Pump Install

>
>Any thoughts?  Is it OK to just leave the return line unobstructed?
>

Not sure. (I don't have a return line on either of my cars)
I think I would at least put a vacuum check valve in it so air could get into
the tank  but  fuel vapors couldn't get into the engine compartment.

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:50:08 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Carb and Manifold question

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:51 PM
Subject: Carb and Manifold question


<snip>
>Last question:  On the electric choke wiring, I can hook it up to the
>alternator wiring correct?  I know there was just several posts about
>this, but my hard drive crashed and I lost all my messages.
>
Uhh, no. The big red alt wire is powered from the battery all the time. You
want power to come on after the engine starts. The brown alt wire can be
used to power a relay coil (really small current), and the relay contacts
could be wired to your choke, but don't power the choke directly from the
alt.

drc

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:10:09 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: KEEP OR SELL

- -----Original Message-----
From: HOFFAX181@aol.com <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 5:57 PM
Subject: KEEP OR SELL


>I have an 84 delta 88 royale 2dr with a 307 quadrajet the car only has
88,000
>miles on it

Heh, almost new.

>but it needs new doors and quarter panels the engine runs great
>but i'm not sure the bodywork would be worth it if any one has any prices
on
>doors and quaters let me know

Cheap. I got a whole front fender assembly (inner, outer, trim panel,
chrome, Delta emblem, window washer bottle and hinge!) for 75 bucks from a
junk yard. There's lots of B - bodies in good shape out there.

>i'd hate to sell the car if I can fix it  considering I just started
working
>in a body shop I would talk to them about parts but with me just starting I
>think it would be rude

What better way to learn the business than to do your own car? Being in a
body shop gives you excellent opportunity to fix that baby up big-time.
Don't get rid of it till you get all your questions answered by the pros
you're working with.

Dave Cullen
85 Delta

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:40:27 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: WOW!!

Holy Cow!!

Well at least I know that people read these e-mails!  Big Thanks to everyone
who submitted info on their cars... I will be contacting each of you within
the next few weeks.. Thanks again... and for those who haven't sent anything
yet, please do.. I'll be collecting this stuff for a little while before I
submit it to the decision-makers.

As for the NEGATIVE responses...  well, I won't stoop to that level.. I'm
sorry for anyone who was genuinely offended..although i suspect, from the
ratio of responses, that  this was a very small minority.  As a new member of
this list, I didn't realize that there are some people here who have nothing
better to do than cackle and gossip like a bunch of hens.

I originally pointed out that responses should be sent directly to me because
i wanted to avoid so many responses being sent to EVERYONE, often with photos,
clogging up everyone's mailbox and system..  Fortunately, everyone understood
it, and no one has posted a response to the list, they have all gone direct to
my address.

The story of how they came to me, out of the blue, is kind of lucky but not
that farfetched... I live in the Century City section of Los Angeles, where
90% of the entertainment business is done.  I parked my car on a major street
and found a business card on it later.  The "locator" has been in business for
15 years, and when I called her she told me who the star was, when filming was
to begin, and what they were looking for.  She liked my car because it was
blue instead of the everyday red, and because it was not, in her words,
"another GTO".  She met with the producers later in the week, and they came up
with the notion of a '71 red convertible.  Needless to say, i was
disappionted, but i told her could probably find what she was looking for,
because I talk to every Cutlass owner i see around LA.  I haven't given up on
trying to convince her that my car is "the one", and I even talked to a friend
who offered to paint his 69 convertible blue, if a second car is needed.
And no, movie production companies do not keep an inventory of every vehicle
ever made just in case they need one for a scene - they "borrow" regular cars
for a few days, then give them back.  They only buy them if they're gonna
wreck 'em.. and there will be no wrecking in this film.

Of course, if pictures are scanned, you'll already have a copy - I just want
an "inventory" of files because I am developing a working relationship with
the "locator".  If you send pics via snail mail, i can't afford the time to
send them all back - that's what i meant.  Furthermore, if the pictures are
copyrighted, I can't use them, because the copyright would belong to the
professional photographer.  If they are your photos, the copyright is yours,
so I don't have to clear the photos with a 3rd party (the photographer) every
time I show them.  However, I am precluded from using the photos for any
commercial gain.  I'm not interested in the photos anyway - i want the CAR for
the movie, remember?!

I was asked by the locator to be discreet regarding her identity, because as
you can imagine, there are LOTS of people who would like to say "That was my
442 in Demolition Man" or "That's Woody Harrelson driving my '72 in Kingpin"
or "This car was featured in Beverly Hills Cop II".   That's who this e-mail
was for - anyone who thinks it would be cool to have their car in a major
motion picture.

So, for those of you who were so critical of my e-mail, my motives, or me
personally.. Just remember - If you have a question about business,
entertainment, sports, or heterosexual sex, please feel free to ask me;  if I
have a question about high school, working in a gas station, when worms wake
up, or homosexual activity, I'll ask you first.  Gee -  I guess I can stoop to
that level!

Again, thanks for all the POSITIVE responses!

Erik

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:58:48 -0400
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: 69 442/W30 F/S?

I went to my uncles for 4th of July gathering today. I met his neighbor
who has a 69 442/W30 that he bought 10 years ago as a restoration
project. He never started it and he wants to get rid of it. It is a 4
speed car, but it has an automatic in it and an Olds 350. The previous
owner blew the 4-speed up. He says he has the original motor. i did see
what looked to be a complete 400 motor in the garage. I'm not sure if he
has the trans. There was a canvas over the car so it didn't get to see
the inside. The rear bumper looked nice. From what I could see the body
is solid. The car has a complete OIA system still on it. He said it was
complete and I saw the scoops under the front bumper. I forgot to look
for red fender wells. He said he wants to get rid of it and a few other
Olds items. He has a complete power window system for 69 and another 69
hood. Also has a 1970 455 block that is bare and two sets of heads. They
were buried but I could see both sets had "C" on them. He said he is
going to get back to me and  let me know how much he wants for it and
the parts. If anyone else is interested I will let him know. I didn't
have any of my refrence books with me to verify the motor or any of the
other engine stuff. I will see if he is really interested and then I
will go back and find out for sure what he has.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:08:19 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?

where are you located???

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 01:11:28 -0400
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
>
> where are you located???
Cleveland Ohio area.

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:21:39 EDT
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: Hollywood, and 'movie cars'

Group-
About a year and a half ago I was involved with a Hollywood ad agency making a
commercial for BMW. You may recall the ad--a vintage blue BMW parked under a
tree in a carport, a lightning bolt comes down striking a limb of the tree and
crushing the car, a 'spirit' leaves the older BMW and goes to the BMW factory
where it enters the body of a new Z3, etc...

I provided 2 cars for this shoot, got to take my kids and watch the filming
and details of the production, and got a good feeling for what goes on in this
kind of operation. Would I ever do it again? Would I ever give these guys a
GOOD car that wasn't going to have a tree dropped onto it? Never in a million
years.

Why? First off, everyone in Hollywood thinks that anybody out of their little
circle is stupid and they have no respect for you. Look at current movies and
TV, and I can rest my case. Because you're stupid, they lie to you. You've got
stars in your eyes with the idea that your special car will be in the movies,
and they use your car as they wish despite what they will say.

Some ponytail in black smoking a Gaulois decides that he doesn't like the look
of that side mirror on your car, and off it comes. They need a view down onto
the hood, so a camera goes up on the top. Dents? " Oh we'll fix those" Then
the star decides that it's too easy to open the door of your convertible to
get in, and decides it's neater to jump over the side. So they practice this.
On your car. Til he gets it right.

And the big bucks? About $150-$200/day.

Been there, done that, seen all the above. The cars of mine they used were
rusty dead cars, sold for a pittance for the novelty of it. Anybody with a
nice car out there beware.

Peter Sliskovich
CoupeKing
near Hollywood...

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 02:04:36 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: WOW!!

> If you have a question about business,entertainment, sports, or
heterosexual sex, please feel free to ask me;  if I have a question about
high school, working in a gas station, when worms wake
>up, or homosexual activity, I'll ask you first.  Gee -  I guess I can stoop
to that level!
>
>Erik

Notice you didn't mention anything about asking you an Olds question.

Damn, who should we turn to for help?!  Gee, maybe the rest of the
knowledgeable list members that don't give a rats *ss what you think.

Sorry guys, I've wasted enough time and space with this response.

Randy

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:56 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: HURST shift kit TH400

I just installed a Hurst Street/Strip Hot Shift 2 shift kit into my TH400.
The kit says not to use the "supplied" gasket for the detent solenoid.
Should I just use an old one or none at all (the gasket is a small metal
pice).  Thanks a lot.  Also, the trans oil smelled a bit burned.  The
previouse owner of the car ('76 Delta) swares that the trans has only about
10,000 miles on it.  I got the car (for free) so I could salvage and
rebuild the 455, but figured sine the trans is supossed to be good try it
until it blows up then get another TH400.  After all it was free.  The
trans sat for 6yrs befoure I fired it up (damn car started on the second
crank after 6 years and grass in the aircleaner, old gas, etc.).  What
could cause the oil to smell like that.  I drove it home (about 100 miles)
and it ran great., no sliping or anything.  I am also planning to put a
2000stall converter in it.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:14:32 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: partscar!

HAVE A 64 CUTLASS PARTS CAR??
 IM IN DESPERATE NEED FOR A REAR BUMPER AND QUARTER PANELS AND OTHER STUFF
TOO.

          I NEED HELP
           JOE

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:43:42 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Web Pages

Listmembers,

I know this isn't the most politically correct way to do it lately, but I
learned HTML by downloading AOLPress and buying the book "HTML For Dummies".
I did look at some other pages, but these were pretty good for me, considering
in March 1997 we didn't even have a computer....................

The book is really well-written, and good reference material.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:45:23 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HURST shift kit TH400

In a message dated 98-07-05 03:04:58 EDT, you write:

<< The kit says not to use the "supplied" gasket for the detent solenoid.
 Should I just use an old one or none at all (the gasket is a small metal
 pice).  Thanks a lot.  >>

Igor, the kits I use, and the rebuild book, all have said use the gasket only
when it was there. It depends on whether the solenoid is open sided or not as
to which needs a gasket. Can't look it up in my book now, but e-mail privately
if you want me to.   Dorian

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 06:31:27 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: all "list " members

Last week someone asked about the casting # on a J-2  intake. I finally went
upstairs in the garage & dug mine out yesterday. I have  two. The only # on
them is 571145. I don't have any carbs anymore.
 I would sell or swap one of them if any one is interested. About the only
things i need to finish my 68 , are  front seat covers.Any one want to swap.
 Actually i also need front & rear bumpers, but i want new of a least REALLY
good ones.
 I don't expect it to be a "trophy taker". I like to drive it too much & i
don't have the time to do a frame off. Just respectable. Come to think of it
- -- did you ever see an OLDSMOBILE that wasn't Respectable? Food for thought.
Actually, i have quite a fewthing i could  sell or swap .
I guess i will have to make a list.
Jim - waiting on that photo!!
Roger Utter
68 , W-30  4-speed
OCA # 27353

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:30:32 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Re:Olds 455- hard time turning over! -STOP!

Well I returned the old starter for a new Ac-Delco reman. I put the starter
in WITH SHIM and the motor turns over perfectly. I even let the car run for
20 minutes and had no problems at all with the starter. Problem solved.
Thanks.....

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:Olds 455- hard time turning over! -STOP!
> Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 10:14 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-07-04 12:19:03 EDT, you write:
>
> << Yes the motor was primed twice before starting witht the priming tool.
>  Today I'm gonna try shimming the starter to see if that helps. I hope it
>  works. If not I will probably go with the Dick Miller mini starter or
the
>  Tilton mini-starter  >>
>
> Wait!
>
> Stop!
>
> Do NOT shim the starter for reluctant starts.
> Shimming does not affect torque. Only clearance!
> A starter that needs more/less shim will make noise!
>
> If I could find the scrap of paper that came with my reman Starting
motor, I
> would give more specifics...
> So more later.
>
> KA
> &SOM

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 09:57:48 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Vin question

Ken wrote:
>
> Is the long number on the trim tag on the firewall supposed to be the same as
> the vin number in the window?

No.  That is the tag applied at the Fisher Body plant.  The first few
digits should jive with your VIN (unless it's a '68 or'69 442), but not
the whole thing.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 05:05:33 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: WOW!!

LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:

> So, for those of you who were so critical of my e-mail, my motives, or me
> personally.. Just remember - If you have a question about business,
> entertainment, sports, or heterosexual sex, please feel free to ask me;  if I
> have a question about high school, working in a gas station, when worms wake
> up, or homosexual activity, I'll ask you first.  Gee -  I guess I can stoop 
to
> that level!

Can we keep this crap off of the list please.......  Offending people will
getyou nowhere.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:23:38 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W-25 O.A.I. Hood Question

> 1)  Barring the fact that somebody would have actually done this, could you
> have purchased the O.A.I. option without ordering dual exhaust in '72?

The answer is yes, unless it came with the 455.

> 2)  It looks like birds have nested inside each of the scoops (tons of
> leaves and pine tags).  The screen is still tacked in place under the hood.
> Any suggestions for a _graceful_ way to clean these out?

Well, I've barely opened the hood and used the hose from underneath to
blast the debris out.  Luckily, I was able to get everything out this
way.

> 3)  The car was originally black and the Fisher Body Tag proves this out
> with a #19 color code, but my searches on the internet and through several
> books, indicate ebony black was not an available option on the Supremes in
> '72.  Can anybody provide a little more detail?

Remember, these were the days when you could custom order a car!
In '71 Ebony Black was available on the intermediates.  If the cowl tag
list 19 as the lower body color, than either someone special ordered it
- -or- the body body was a carryover from '71.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:30:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: WOW!!

- ---Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net> wrote:
>
> LooseCanno@aol.com wrote:
>
> > So, for those of you who were so critical of my e-mail, my
motives, or me
> > personally.. Just remember - If you have a question about business,
> > entertainment, sports, or heterosexual sex, please feel free to
ask me;  if I
> > have a question about high school, working in a gas station, when
worms wake
> > up, or homosexual activity, I'll ask you first.  Gee -  I guess I
can stoop to
> > that level!
>
> Can we keep this crap off of the list please.......  Offending
people will getyou
> nowhere.
>
> Chris Sparks
>
>
>I agree with Chris.

==
mailto:super442@yahoo.com
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:28:30 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: Web Pages

Ken, I agree that those "...for Dummies" books are some of the best value
for learning out there. People shouldn't apologize for using them to learn!

Now, when does the "Oldsmobiles for Dummies" come out...? (I could use a
copy!)

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of KS7RACING@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 1998 1:44 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Web Pages



Listmembers,

I know this isn't the most politically correct way to do it lately, but I
learned HTML by downloading AOLPress and buying the book "HTML For Dummies".
I did look at some other pages, but these were pretty good for me,
considering
in March 1997 we didn't even have a computer....................

The book is really well-written, and good reference material.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:40:14 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.

Attention: Greg, the list master.

I enjoy a healthy discussion and a good argument but I don't remain a list
member for the kind of crap that this guy posts.  Please dump this guy from
this list.

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

> So, for those of you who were so critical of my e-mail, my motives, or me
> personally.. Just remember - If you have a question about business,
> entertainment, sports, or heterosexual sex, please feel free to
> ask me;  if I
> have a question about high school, working in a gas station, when
> worms wake
> up, or homosexual activity, I'll ask you first.  Gee -  I guess I
> can stoop to
> that level!
>
> Again, thanks for all the POSITIVE responses!
>
> Erik

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:45:50 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: 87' 442 for sale

Thanks for the info. Now, are the '9's and the 'Y's part of the vehicle VIN
or part of the engine serial. If part of the engine serial, where is the
engine serial located?

Thanks again.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Mike Rothe.
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 1998 11:39 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale
>
>
>
> > >What is a "307 HO"? I thought that GM had committed to all
> 305's by this
> > >year and what horsepower would the HO have vs a 305?
> > >
> > The 307 HO is the 307 "9" code used in the 442,s. It is an Olds
> smallblock
> > motor as is the 307 "Y", which is what is in my 86 Cutlass.
> Others on the
> > list can give more information. I know the "9" and the "Y" use diffirent
> > cams and lifters.
>
> Yes, they did, but also in a roller configuration as well for the "9"s
> in the later ones.  The "Y" motors were rated at 140 H.P., while the "9"
> motors were rated at 180 for the 83-85 Hurst/442.  I think that was
> dropped to 170 for the 86/87 "9" engines.
>
> Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:00:22 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: 87' 442 for sale

Kevin,

>Thanks for the info. Now, are the '9's and the 'Y's part of the vehicle VIN
>or part of the engine serial. If part of the engine serial, where is the
>engine serial located?
>

The '9' and 'Y' are the eighth (8th) digit of your VIN.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:26:00 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.

Greg,
I agree, this guy should be dumped from the list (LooseCanno@aol.com) after
all, you wouldn't walk on to someone elses home feild and till up all of the
turf would you....its just not right....stupid little remarks like "If I
have a question about...homosexual activity, I'll ask you first." just don't
belong on this list, they belong in an aol chat room in a conversation
between 2 12 year old kids......The nerve of some people.  Well Greg, I hope
you consider, and I'd like to thank you for making our list experience a
pleasant one thus far.  See you at the Nats..?  Maybe.

Gib (a.k.a. "The Rocketman")
69 Cutlass "S" Holiday Coupe
"Reb Thunder"
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:42:44 PDT
From: "David Popadic" <olds67cutlass@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: WOW!!: Greg: Please dump this listmember.

I agree that there is no place for that stuff on this list!

DUMP HIM!

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 09:15:31 -0700
From: "mr. coy d. arbogast" <coyster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442/W30 F/S?

Hello Joe and Toni, I am interested in the olds also. My brother lives
in cleveland and I am in  Las Vegas. How much for the car?
My email address is coyster@earthlink.net

Joe & Toni Artwell wrote:

> Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > where are you located???
> Cleveland Ohio area.

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:55:52 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant

I am gearing up for another summer project.  I have a 70 Cutlass with tired
350 and turbo 350 and a 68 Delta has offered to give up its 455/400 combo.
One concern I have is that the turbo 400 has a long tail shaft (6") has
anyone dealt with this situation??? Driveline shortening?

Any comments or previous experience would be appreciated

Corey Day
dayc@ix.netcom.com
http://pw2.netcom.com/~dayc/

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:54:24 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Web Pages

> Now, when does the "Oldsmobiles for Dummies" come out...? (I could use a
> copy!)

The way I figure it, you must be pretty smart to own an Olds in the
first place, so Oldsmobiles for Dummies could be used as a "conversion"
book for the die-hard Chevy, Ford, AMC, and Chrysler fans... :)

You could always get the books on Olds restoration and "by the Numbers"
books, and a copy of the FAQ.  There's so much information out there,
that if you read and understand it, you will know truckloads of info for
not only YOUR car, but others as well.  I know I'M still learning, and
probably will continue to do so until I can no longer drive.  For your
OWN vehicles, the BEST information I've found overall, (although some
mistakes are there) is the factory chassis and assembly manuals, if
available for yours.  That alone should keep you busy for MONTHS.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:13:21 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant

>One concern I have is that the turbo 400 has a long tail shaft (6") has
>anyone dealt with this situation??? Driveline shortening?
>
It's not that big of a problem, For around $100 you can have the driveshaft
shortened and rebalanced.

Randy

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 13:23:09 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant

> One concern I have is that the turbo 400 has a long tail shaft (6") has
> anyone dealt with this situation??? Driveline shortening?

Here's a couple of things to consider.  Will the 2" extra tailshaft make
a difference?  Maybe.  The angle of the trans to pinion flange is pretty
critical in driveline vibrations and smooth rotation of the u-joints
under any suspension deflections you encounter.  Too much and you may
bind the u-joints in certain conditions.  However, if the tranny FITS
without physical interference, the extra 2" might not make too much of a
difference, but I'm NOT going out on a limb and say it will be OK.

With that said, I would find it FAR more easier, for peace of mind and
for fitment, to either swap the long tail 400 for a short tail, or sell
yours and buy a short tail.  Of course, SWAPPING a tailshaft and housing
isn't bad if you're rebuilding the tranny anyway, but you need the tail
shaft and housing piece.   You can only replace those by gutting the
tranny first.

If you have the tranny rebuilt, you may consider asking the shop that
performs it, if you don't do it yourself, if they can replace your
tailshaft and housing with a shorter one.  Most tranny shops have dead
transmissions laying around, and the 400 tailshafts are fairly easy to
find.

Another thing to consider is your speedometer if you replace the
tailpiece.  The speedo drive gear on the tailshaft must be compatible
with your intended speedo driven gear/rear end ratio.  Otherwise, you
end up having to get a reducer/multiplier for it.  Again, if you have
the tranny at a shop, they can do this for you if it's not the correct
one you need.

You also will need a TH400 front YOKE to replace your TH350 front yoke.
It's larger on the 400.

You will need to shorten the driveshaft accordingly.  A lot of
industrial driveshaft shops can fix it right up and balance it for you
too.

Just some thoughts.  I put a 455/400 combo in a 72 C/S once, and I had
to learn all this stuff the hard way.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:25:12 EDT
From: <NjOlds@aol.com>
Subject: New Web Page

	This is my first attempt at this web page thing.  I really don't know 
what
I'm doing  so there will probably be a lot of mistakes.  I'm not done with it
because it is still Under Construction so bare with me I'm only a beginner.
If someone has suggestions feel free to tell me I need to know what needs to
be changed.  If anyone else is thinking about making a web page Microsoft Word
97 is making this job very easy and without knowing HTML.  Just click on the
hyperlink to <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/NjOlds/">My Web Page</A> or go
to http://members.xoom.com/NjOlds/.

Enio P.
'87 Cutlass Supreme 307 ( Y ) sometime soon to have a 403

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:46:53 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant

Yes your gonna have to get a new driveshaft. Thi si due to the Th-400's
longer length. A good high performance one should cost around $200-$250.

- ----------
> From: Corey Day <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant
> Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:55 AM
>
> I am gearing up for another summer project.  I have a 70 Cutlass with
tired
> 350 and turbo 350 and a 68 Delta has offered to give up its 455/400
combo.
> One concern I have is that the turbo 400 has a long tail shaft (6") has
> anyone dealt with this situation??? Driveline shortening?
>
> Any comments or previous experience would be appreciated
>
> Corey Day
> dayc@ix.netcom.com
> http://pw2.netcom.com/~dayc/
>

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:56:44 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Need an Oldsmobile for a movie

I too think this is a snotty way of asking for help. (I.E. If you have a 
problem
with this, don't send me anything.]  Gee,kind of rude. Just my thoughts.
Craig <Babyboo@pacbell.net(1970\442)
Bob Blanchard wrote:

> >The photos are MINE when I get them, and I may look at using them for other
> >projects (i.e. music videos)... If you have a problem with this, don't
> send me
> >anything.
> >
> >Thanks!!  Erik
> >
> >P.S.  don't ask about pay, or any other details.. I know very little about
> >this so far, and what else I do know, I can't tell you anyway...as they
> say in
> >this business, "We'll call you."
> >
>
> Am I just tired and cranky, or is this written in the most insulting way
> possible?
> __
> The old adage about "The early bird catches the worm", only serves
> to prove, that the worm would have been better off if he stayed in bed .
>                                                                 :Lazarus 
Long

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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:16:03 -0500
From: "MiLiT@Nt" <rockdog@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Fire

If you still have the following items, what do you want for
them(individually or together).  As I am new to this I don't know what to
offer).  Do these cover the 88's as well as the 98's?

Thanks, Nate

> Also, I have available the following items which I just had purchased
from
> Faxons:
>
> 1968 Sales Information 3 ring binder (full line)
> 1968 Service/Shop Manual
> 1968 Fisher Body Manual
> 1968 Brochure
> 1968 Paint Chip Sheet
> 1968 Owners Manual and Convertable Top Manual

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:41:21 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: How many were made???

Could someone please let me know how many 442's were produced in
1986???????????    I have an idea for personalized plates for my
442...   "1of_ _ _ _ "

Thanks in advance...........

Mike.............


"If you could explain everything.........
 What be be left to believe in........??

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:58:18 EDT
From: <Dudeman864@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Calling Dr. Olds ---  455 Transplant

>the turbo 400 has a long tail shaft (6") has
  anyone dealt with this situation??? Driveline shortening?
the drive shaft tube will have to be shortened,(unless the shaft from the
delta will fit) and the slip yoke(tranny end) from the 400 fitted to it. (the
350 yoke will NOT fit the 400!!)

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:58:05 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: How many were made???

> Could someone please let me know how many 442's were produced in
> 1986???????????    I have an idea for personalized plates for my
> 442...   "1of_ _ _ _ "

Don't know exact numbers off hand.  You could TRY to find out from the
Olds History Center, I do know that 3000 '85s and 4208 87's were made
public.  But the number is roughly around 4200 in 86.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:10:24 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: How many were made???

Mike,

>Could someone please let me know how many 442's were produced in
>1986???????????    I have an idea for personalized plates for my
>442...   "1of_ _ _ _ "

There were, to my understanding approximately 4200 442s made
in 1986 and another 4200 in 1987. I do know the exact numbers
for 1987 are 4208.

You can get specific information on your car (or any Oldsmobile)
by contacting Helen Earley at:

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend St.
Mail Code: 489-111-040
Lansing, MI 48921

The phone # is 517-377-5660

For $10 she'll send you a package of info on your car, from
general info from the chasis manual, dealer options for that
year, and if possible, the original invoice for your car. She'll
also give the stats for actual # of cars produced and the number
of which were 442's. You may also get a really cool 8x10 b&w
photo of your car.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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