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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, June 15 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1312



Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me
Re: Springfield Olds Nationals 1998
Re: Tiny bubbles...
Thudding noise,sensation in Rear End - 1982 Olds 98 Regency Brougham
Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me
RE: Computer Controlled Distributor
Fun with Axles
Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me
Re: How to get lifters out?
350 or 455?
RE: diff codes
71 Cutlass Grilles {Re: It good to be back}
Muffler
Re: WANTED: 68 442 stripes info...
Re: 461 C-3 Cadillac questions  (LONG)
Re: WANTED: 68 442 stripes info...
RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Re: Fun with Axles
Re: 69 under the bumper scoops...
Re: pushrod ? & others
Re: Who is going to Lansing?
Re: Tiny bubbles...
Re: 69 under the bumper scoops...
Re: Anything for a '72 Cutlass
Re: pushrod ? & others
Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me
Re: Tiny bubbles...
Olds in movie
Re: pushrod ? & others
Re: Olds in movie: How 'bout those Illini!
Re: pushrod =?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?= & others
'70 Olds Hot Wheel car
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
Re: Who is going to Lansing?
Re: wtd: conv shoulder belts
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
Re: It good to be back
Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
RE: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
Re: pushrod =?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?= & others
all olds show in chesapeake,virginia
'70 Olds Hot Wheels
Re: 69 H/O emblems
Re: IBM Type Cards
In search of a Hollie
Re: race weekend
Where'd my page go?  [non-Olds]
Steering rebuild help!
thanks for the Hot Wheel info
Re:Block code
rallye stripe set/search!
Re: Where'd my page go?  [non-Olds]
Re: temp. gauge
Literature
Show in CT
Re: evil headliner
Re: Disc Brakes
Year One exhaust
Re: 350 or 455?
Homecoming Swap Meet this Sat.
71 442 conv sold

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:14:28 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me

Jerry Christopher asked:


455 VS 425:
If you were doing a mild budget build up?
What about a Street/Strip Motor?
Which one can take the most abuse, and still crank in the morning to get
my butt to     work?

     Here's my 0.02:  For anything other than an all-out high RPM drag
     motor, I'd stick with the 455.  They're significantly more plentiful,
     parts are more readily available (yes, I know the majority are common,
     but for those that aren't...), and you don't get into the 39 degree vs
     45 degree vs 0.842 vs 0.921 maze of confusion.  A nodular crank, or
     even a properly prepared cast crank, will take anything you can
     reasonabley dish out, especially for what it appears will be a daily
     driver.  Yes, the forged crank is nice, but probably not as necessary
     in your application as the extra cubic inches.  (Come on, you expected
     me to say anything _but_ that?)

What are the STRUCTURAL MOUNTING differences between the two?

     None, except for the early bolt pattern on the 425's crank flange.
     Just be sure to get a matching flywheel if you go that route.
455 blocks:
Which is a better option -
  1. Used 455 currently in a car?
  2. Used 455 from a Junk Yard, and rebuild?
  3. Crate 455?

     You're probably always better off starting with a motor that runs,
     just because you can see what you're getting into.  Plus, you can be
     reasonably sure that there aren't any fatal flaws lurking in a
     rebuild.  Certainly just pulling a running engine and dropping it in
     is the cheapest route in the short run, but you obviously still have a
     used engine.  Cheapest in the long run is probably rebuilding it now -
     just watch the mightaswells.  (Mightaswell put in the big valves while
     I'm having the heads done...)

     If you find a crate 455, please, PLEASE, let us know where.
     Unfortunately, I don't think they exist (at least not from GM).  You
     can certainly buy kits from PAW et al, or complete motors from
     Mondello, Miller, and Smith.  This last route unfortunately is a long
     way from low buck.
I'd like to rebuild, won't with a crate though, and do the pistons, cam,
and other basic block performance options, won't that defeat finding a
special block?  If not, is there a specific BLOCK that's better than
others?
     Early (68 - 70ish) blocks are probably best.  Look for a large raised
     "F", or "F0" through "F2" on the rear (flywheel end) face of the
     block.

Have I asked too many questions?

     Not yet, but we're keeping tally, buster  ;-)
Tune in next week, when our faithful hero chants "BIG BLOCK, BIG BLOCK,
BIG BLOCK!"

     Don't forget my personal favorite:  "Anything under 400 cu in isn't a
     real engine"

     (It's a JOKE!  Put down those Q4 blocks!  AAAARRRGH!)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:58:02 EDT
From: <WheelTrdr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Springfield Olds Nationals 1998

In a message dated 6/15/98 9:08:22 AM Central Daylight Time, DROLDS350@aol.com
writes:

<< July 15-18. Springfield Illinois at the Crowne Plaza Hotel.
 Jim

 WheelTrdr@aol.com writes:

 << When ? >> >>
Thanks ! ......Al >> Alias : Wheel Trdr

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:18:36 -0500
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Tiny bubbles...

> Mr. Green, paging Mr. Green...
>
> OK, since only long-time list members will get that, here's the trick:
>
> Use water with a little bit of dish soap in it.
[...]
> Now, to apply a rear window defroster grid...

Ah, memories. Okay, for non-long-time list members: this was the basis
for
one of the best long-term flamewars we've had, IMHO, although as one of
the participants I guess my opinion isn't real objective. (The other was
Mike Frederick, who seems to have dropped off the list... is he still on
the Toro list?) When the dust had settled, we had read of a Toro up
on blocks, assorted electrical problems, a big statue of your truly, a
mysterious garage explosion possibly caused by baked beans, and
a small dog named Checkers wearing goggles and a cape. Those
were the days...  :-)
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:48:44 -0400
From: Blake Johnston <bjohnston@mail.corporate.southam.ca>
Subject: Thudding noise,sensation in Rear End - 1982 Olds 98 Regency Brougham

My father has passed on to me his 1982 Olds 98.  I have had to have a fair
number of repairs to be able to certify the car.

Everything has been pretty straightforward except for a thud or clunk that 
seems
to be coming from the rear end.  This thudding is noticeable when backing up, 
or
when accelerating after having been stopped at a street light or stop sign.

The mechanic who is doing the work, has diagnosed this problem as having
something to do with the "side & pinion gears" and the "thrust washer".

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or comments as to whether we are on
the right track or whether we are way off base.  I'd also be interested in
knowing if this sounds like a problem common to this model.  And if this could
turn into a major problem.  Up to now repairs have not been so bad that I am
have not hesitated to go ahead but now I'm beginning to wonder if this could
turn into something that may end up costing me a lot more down the road.

Thanks in advance,

Blake Johnston
Toronto Ontario Canada
bjohnston@infomart.ca

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:52:51 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:

>      used engine.  Cheapest in the long run is probably rebuilding it now -
>      just watch the mightaswells.  (Mightaswell put in the big valves while
>      I'm having the heads done...)

Heh heh...  That's what I was a little worried about...  I got a bad
habit of looking at things and saying "That's stock, it needs replaced
with SOMETHING better, might as well do it since it's out"

>      If you find a crate 455, please, PLEASE, let us know where.
>      Unfortunately, I don't think they exist (at least not from GM).  You
>      can certainly buy kits from PAW et al, or complete motors from
>      Mondello, Miller, and Smith.  This last route unfortunately is a long
>      way from low buck.

There are two places locally that have said they can get a Long Block
455, but they won't release their sources, and at the time, I didn't ask
price.  I was also under the assumption that Western Auto, Pep Boys, or
even Advance Auto (all three sell reman. blocks) might have one, or can
order one...  Even if all I can find is a short block, it'll give me a
reason to change my chant from "Big Block" to "Mon-del-lo" At that
point, it's DITCH the BUDGET, eat bread and drink water, and cancel the
cable, the
pager, and no lights for a while...  <G>


>      Early (68 - 70ish) blocks are probably best.  Look for a large raised
>      "F", or "F0" through "F2" on the rear (flywheel end) face of the
>      block.

What makes them better than any other?  Strength, Crank, anything
different with cooling?  What???  <G>


> Tune in next week, when our faithful hero chants "BIG BLOCK, BIG BLOCK,
> BIG BLOCK!"
>
>      Don't forget my personal favorite:  "Anything under 400 cu in isn't a
>      real engine"

I am getting that feeling.

>      (It's a JOKE!  Put down those Q4 blocks!  AAAARRRGH!)

Hahahha...  <G>
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:01:49 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: RE: Computer Controlled Distributor

There's no way I know of for the computer to detect the coil or wires.  My
Supercoil or Taylor wires certainly don't affect it.

Are you jumping the ALDL connector before you set the timing?  You should be.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:10:46 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Fun with Axles

After bending an axle flange on my 69 conv, I needed to get an axle, and a
buddy of mine with the same car needed one, we located a guy with a stash of
differentials, and picked up a 3.55:1 (10 turns of the pinion gave just over
7 turns on one end with the other end held still). It was marked as coming
out of a  '70 conv. (way too rusty to find any code #s) When we pulled the
axles out of our '69 s, the axles didnt  match the '70. The lengths were the
same, but the 69 s had sealed bearings, with an axle seal inboard of the
bearing, while the axles out of the 3.55:1 had roller bearings lubed from
the differential fluid, with a seal outboard of the bearing. My '69 Chassis
Manual says that the axle/bearing setup found in  our '69 s are "New for
1969 - Vista Cruiser only". Does any one know what the deal is here? My
differential code is 'SA' which indicates a 2.78:1 or something like that.
It seems unlikely that both of us would have aquired '69 Cutlass
Convertibles that had Vista Cruiser rearends switched into them. Any clues?

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv (455)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:33:08 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me

Jerry Christopher wrote:

>      If you find a crate 455, please, PLEASE, let us know where....
There are two places locally that have said they can get a Long Block
455, but they won't release their sources, and at the time, I didn't ask
price.  I was also under the assumption that Western Auto, Pep Boys, or
even Advance Auto (all three sell reman. blocks) might have one, or can
order one...

   Ok, I thought you were referring to brand-new-in-the-crate-from-GM, like
   the crate Chevy motors you can buy from the dealership.  This is not to
   be confused with the Goodwrench brand of rebuilds that GM sells or the
   rebuilds you can get from Western, Trak, Pep Boys, etc.  Frankly, I'd be
   a little concerned about buying a rebuild from one of those chain store
   places (though in fairness I should note that I have no firsthand
   experience with their products).  Their sources are typically large
   rebuild houses that process large numbers of motors rapidly.  I doubt
   they know or care about the finer points of building an Olds motor,
   especially where it differs from the BowTie crowd.
>      Early (68 - 70ish) blocks are probably best.  Look for a large
raised
>      "F", or "F0" through "F2" on the rear (flywheel end) face of the
>      block.
What makes them better than any other?  Strength, Crank, anything
different with cooling?  What???  <G>
   Primarily thicker walls and more meat in general.  These early blocks
   can usually accept up to an 0.125" overbore, so 0.030 is easy.  With the
   extra metal, I expect you'd see less core shift as well and less
   internal distortion under high loads.  As for cranks, the nodular iron
   is preferred over the plain cast, again for strength.  Look for a large
   (~1") raised "N" or smaller "CN" on one of the front counterweights.
   This assumes that you haven't stumbled onto one of the rare and
   desireable forged 455 cranks.
   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:43:16 -0600
From: Scott.Wheeler@pinnacle-brands.com
Subject: Re: How to get lifters out?

John,

I had some bad luck with a Lisle Lifter Extractor tool, it works like a
slide hammer with an expandable flange on the bottom that hooks into the
ridge in the top of the lifter. The expanding flange is expanded by turning
the main rod threads, pushing a ball bearing down and spreading the flanges
out, the problem I had was that the ball bearing fell out of the flange, in
mid slide, and dropped into the motor...stainless steel ball bearing.

Thus making an inexperienced (at the time) mechanic think it that "surely
fell into the oil pan and was WAY too big to get sucked up by the oil pump"

BUZZZZZ NEXT PLAYER!!!!

Bad move...soon I was pulling chunks of the bottom of the head & bits of
piston out of the #1 plug hole.

This, needless to say, caused me to have to yank the motor & rebuild...now
I have a lovely pencil cup on my desk as a reminder of what not to do next
time!

Only good thing was that the car was a P*ntiac not an Olds!

Just my $.02!

Scott Wheeler (another day older and wiser)
68 442 Conv (WHEE!)
Dallas

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:59:46 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: 350 or 455?

Can anyone tell me whether I have a 350 or 455 by the vin number?
It is  #3N67K5M301977. The car is a 1975 Delta 88 Conv.
TIA
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:15:02 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: diff codes

Rick,
	I believe that you managed to get the code but you must have read
upside down. The 5a you list is probably SA. Which means that you have
2.73:1 gear ratios. That's in-line with many '72 442/Cutlasses. It's a
standard diff used back then.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rick [SMTP:truric@imag.net]
> Sent:	Friday, June 12, 1998 9:02 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	diff codes
>
> Im trying to figure out what gear ratio is in my car the stamp on the axle
> tube reads as follows     5a   b263   2     the car does not have a
> limited
> slip rearend(yet) just kinda want to know what i got
> T.I.A.
> rick
> 1972 442
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:33:40 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Grilles {Re: It good to be back}

I am interested in 71 Cutlass Grilles if the price / shipping is
feasible.

I have a good set of 74 Cutlass Grilles / possible trade?

I live in Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan, Canada


Robert Schinkel wrote:
> I did pick up a set of 71 Cutlass grills, a 7028251 68 442 carb (in good
> condition), a 7043256  carb
> a set of 71 sport mirrors and a black console (70 - 72).  All these will be
> forsale except the grills, they have a tab broken off I need to repair
> first.
> A very nice week end over all.  And I had the oppertunity to meet someone
> from this list.  Its always nice to see the other olds nuts.
> The most sought after parts were and outer chrome pieces and 74 Cutlass
> grills.  Had a hole bunch of people looking for these puppies.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:33:47 -0700
From: Fred Mentzer <mentzerf@open.org>
Subject: Muffler

Need a Standard muffler (two in, one out) for my '69 Tornado.  Any advise
on where to find it?

Thanks,

Fred Mentzer
Tel/Fax:  503-399-6900
mentzerf@open.org

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:48:18 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: 68 442 stripes info...

I have a paint strip kit that I bought for my 68 .I did not use it and if I can
find it Iwill send you some info on the kit
 Butch 68  442  post

scc@teamquest.com wrote:

>      With all the olds guru's out there nobody has given me any info
>      on the fender stripes on a 68 442.  These are the stripes on the
>      front fenders, that go behind the front wheels.
>
>      Things I do know:
>
>      There are 3 stripes.
>      1 wide one with a narrow stripe on each side of it.
>      The stripe does not go through the 442 emblems.
>      The stripe does not go over the hood but only on the fenders.
>
>      Things I need to find out:
>
>      The width of each of the stripes and the gap between them.
>
>
>
>      There, that is all I need to find out.  Maybe there isn't any of these
>      striped cars out there anymore.......  NA, come on.  :-)
>
>      Steve

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:57:39 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: 461 C-3 Cadillac questions  (LONG)

Kevin wrote:

> Currently, there's a problem with
> exhaust system resonance (damned low-restriction mufflers! <g>) when the
> A/C compressor engages while sitting at idle in gear.

I put a single 2.25inch pipe on my Regency with propane, A dynomax super
turbo muffler and a short downturn pipe (no tailpipe).  Man, at idle in
drive (aprox 700rpm) and especially with the AC on, the resonance is nuts.
I had the same muffler in when I had a 2" tailpipe and the catalytic
converter, but it was quiet, no resinance.  Anyways, on the 455 I am
thinking of going with a single 2.5"inch pipe from the Disels with no
catalytic converter, just a straight pipe.  Then, 2.5" turbo muffler and a
downturn pipe.  I think this is as good as I would be willing to do the
single exaust.  It would be cheap and decent.  Duals are definitley better.


> rebuild is in the planning stage; I'm wondering which stall converters
are
> available because the stock ~1500 RPM converter (with 2.93:1 rear gears
> and 2.74:1 1st gear) is too low for a quick off the line launch with this
> engine/camshaft combo.

I have the same tranny in my Regency but because I am running a low-torque
cam and 10:1 CR, I doubt it would last long behind the the 455 given its
present shape.  Anyways, I know that the 442 or H/O used a 3:73 gears in
these trannys in the '80s and a 2400rpm flash stall converter.  You could
find a converter from one of these cars or just buy a new one.  I am sure
2400rpm is available and probable good for you.  WIth the torque of the 455
at this rmp, I would think you could get a couple more hondred RPMs from
that converter which should be fine.  What are you complaing about your
first gear/rear end combo.  I will run a 2.41 rear with 2.48 first gear of
the TH400.  I would like a 2000-2400 rpm stall.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:14:55 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: WANTED: 68 442 stripes info...

scc@teamquest.com wrote:
>      With all the olds guru's out there nobody has given me any info
>      on the fender stripes on a 68 442.  These are the stripes on the
>      front fenders, that go behind the front wheels.
>
   Steve,

   My 68 W-30 has the stripes (as did all 68 W-30s - stripes were optional
   on other 442s).  I can provide you measurement data, but it will have to
   wait until I get home.  I don't know if you are aware that the factory
   stripe cars actually had the 442 emblems on the fenders located further
   back than non-stripe cars.  This is due to the fact that if you simply
   line the stripes up with the emblems in their original location, the
   bottom of the stripe will hit the wheel well chrome.  It apparently took
   Olds a while to figure this out, as there are factory PR photos of a red
   68 442 floating around with orange stripes (and manufacturer's Michigan
   plates "00-00-00") where the 442 emblems and stripes are in the forward
   position.  When located correctly, the bottom of the stripe set should
   be centered between the back of the wheel opening and the front of the
   door opening at the bottom of the fender.  The numerals are obviously
   relocated to match.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:05:20 -0700
From: "David Seiver - Account Executive" <DavidS@AnaServe.com>
Subject: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lauren
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 3:42 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
>
>
> Happy Birthday, Ransom Eli Olds, June 3, 1864!
>
> Lauren
> 69 Cutlass S CV
> 72 Vista Cruiser (X 4)
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:08:06 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Fun with Axles

Brian,
All 1969 O axles use a sealed ball bearing as you describe.  And the 70 O axle
uses the bearing/seal as you describe.  They are not interchangeable.  The 
Vista
Cruisers use a larger bearing and are not interchangeable with your Cutlass O
axle.  There was a design change from 68 to 69 VC axle bearings - hence the 
note
in the chassis manual.  To replace the axle from a 69 SA code (2.78) Cutlass,
you need to find an axle from a 67-69 Cutlass series (Not V/C or Canadian
built).  With a ratio between 2.56 and 3.23.
Hope this helps in your search.

Greg Rollin.     503-244-8249
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)



Kerr, Brian (R) wrote:

> After bending an axle flange on my 69 conv, I needed to get an axle, and a
> buddy of mine with the same car needed one, we located a guy with a stash of
> differentials, and picked up a 3.55:1 (10 turns of the pinion gave just over
> 7 turns on one end with the other end held still). It was marked as coming
> out of a  '70 conv. (way too rusty to find any code #s) When we pulled the
> axles out of our '69 s, the axles didnt  match the '70. The lengths were the
> same, but the 69 s had sealed bearings, with an axle seal inboard of the
> bearing, while the axles out of the 3.55:1 had roller bearings lubed from
> the differential fluid, with a seal outboard of the bearing. My '69 Chassis
> Manual says that the axle/bearing setup found in  our '69 s are "New for
> 1969 - Vista Cruiser only". Does any one know what the deal is here? My
> differential code is 'SA' which indicates a 2.78:1 or something like that.
> It seems unlikely that both of us would have aquired '69 Cutlass
> Convertibles that had Vista Cruiser rearends switched into them. Any clues?
>
> Brian Kerr
> 69 Cutlass Conv (455)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:55:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 under the bumper scoops...

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>     I have a friend with a set of real decent ones with new moldings. He 
needs
> a nice set for his 68 W-30. He will not sell them until he gets a 68 set. If
> he could trade his for them OK otherwise he will wait for the ones he needs.
> Everett   OCA # 1961    1961 Starfire

I always thought the '68 and '69 setups were the same. Obviously not.
What are the differences?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:57:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: pushrod ? & others

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 hitson@leadbelt.com wrote:
> Having trouble getting one head off (driver side). All bolts out & x-man
> off. Won't budge. Have beat on it, pried on it, talked both nice and nasty
> to it. Any suggestions?

At the risk of asking a stupid question, are you sure you got all the
bolts out? On the '72 we just parted out there was so much crud covering
the heads that I almost missed one of the bolts in between the rockers.
Once I got it, the head came right off.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:59:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Who is going to Lansing?

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> I'm going to Lansing.  Because I live here!  A great place to eat is at the
> Blue Coyote.  It is a brew pub with great food and BEER! It is one block east
> of oldsmobile park.  On Pere Marquette.  Let me know I'll meet ya there

I can highly recommend this place -- we went there last year during the
Centennial and it was the best meal we had all week. Plus great beer,
nice atmosphere, and some of the customers were easy to look at too (not
us). ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:04:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Tiny bubbles...

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Green, Andrew wrote:
> Ah, memories. Okay, for non-long-time list members: this was the basis
> for
> one of the best long-term flamewars we've had, IMHO, although as one of
> the participants I guess my opinion isn't real objective. (The other was
> Mike Frederick, who seems to have dropped off the list... is he still on
> the Toro list?)

Pressure of work forced Mr. Frederick to depart, though I think he still
administers the Toro list. Wasn't our Mr. Culp also involved?

> When the dust had settled, we had read of a Toro up
> on blocks, assorted electrical problems, a big statue of your truly, a
> mysterious garage explosion possibly caused by baked beans, and
> a small dog named Checkers wearing goggles and a cape. Those
> were the days...  :-)

LOL! I had forgotten all that. And to think that (at the time) I asked
you guys to knock it off! :)  Guess you had to be there...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:37:26 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 under the bumper scoops...

> I always thought the '68 and '69 setups were the same. Obviously not.
> What are the differences?
>
Based on what I've seen, and what I can foggily remember, not much,
except the 68 scoops are thinner, wider, and I'm pretty sure, deeper,
than the 69 scoops.  Never had a 68, but I did have a 69 W-30 once.
Which reminds me, that in one of the 69 W-Machines ads that it shows Dr.
Olds and his crew putting a 68 scoop on one side of a 69, and the other
scoop (installed) is a 69 scoop. (or vice versa, either way, they're not
the same)  I'll see if I can find that pic and post it on my web page.
Not really noticable, unless you know what you were looking for.

Somebody was reproducing these at some point.  Don't know if they still
are or not....


Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:34:50 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Anything for a '72 Cutlass

Comp Cams, Part number 1441-kit, $239.95 @ Summit 1-800-230-3030.
It comes with everything you need........Studs,nuts,guideplates,pushrods
and Magnum roller rockers.
Randy

- ----------

> I now have a question does anyone make a kit or whatever to change out
the
> rockers
> from using the girdles to using regular rockers so I can use the roller
> rockers
> If I am not using proper termanology I apologize, this is my first resto
> attempt.
>
> Thanks so much for the help.
> SHAWN

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:53:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: pushrod ? & others

>
>At the risk of asking a stupid question, are you sure you got all the
>bolts out?

Not a stupid question at all --- the most logical thing to ask! Yup. Counted
ten bolts & ten holes......

roger

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:00:28 -0700
From: "Randy A. Geisel" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hookt Beig Blox workt fer me

455 crate motor........Pep-Boys has 455 long blocks for $1296 plus $200
core charge(refunded with rebuildable core) and short blocks for $851 plus
$100 core.

They are remanned by Recon Engine rebuilders, atleast in this part of
Pennsylvania.
I'm about 50 miles west of Philadelphia.

Randy


>
> >      If you find a crate 455, please, PLEASE, let us know where.

> There are two places locally that have said they can get a Long Block
> 455, but they won't release their sources, and at the time, I didn't ask
> price.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:05:26 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Tiny bubbles...

...


>On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Green, Andrew wrote:
>> Ah, memories. Okay, for non-long-time list members: this was the basis
>> for
>> one of the best long-term flamewars we've had, IMHO, although as one of
>> the participants I guess my opinion isn't real objective. (The other was
>> Mike Frederick, who seems to have dropped off the list... is he still on
>> the Toro list?)
>
>Pressure of work forced Mr. Frederick to depart, though I think he still
>administers the Toro list. Wasn't our Mr. Culp also involved?


Bill didn't do anything.  He never does anything.  My boss is willing to
swear in court that I have never done anything and he feels that I never
will.  Please leave my name out of this.

>LOL! I had forgotten all that. And to think that (at the time) I asked
>you guys to knock it off! :)  Guess you had to be there...
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:57:50 -0500
From: Illini Pipeline <bfoley@ezl.com>
Subject: Olds in movie

I watched "Midnight in the garden of good and evil" last night and noticed a 
red
'71 Cutlass Supreme Conv. with white top.  John Cusack is arriving in town and
the cutlass passes in front of him as he walks across the street.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:13:03 EDT
From: <DiscoOzzy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: pushrod ? & others

In a message dated 6/15/98 8:30:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
writes:

> At the risk of asking a stupid question, are you sure you got all the
>  bolts out? On the '72 we just parted out there was so much crud covering
>  the heads that I almost missed one of the bolts in between the rockers.
>  Once I got it, the head came right off.
>

Ah, the old stupid question disclaimer. Just how stupid do you have to be to
try to get a head off while it is still bolted on? Let em tell you: Had a
fried sbc in my Nova (yes, this gets better than just another chevy story).
Anyhoo, I didnt have a cherry picker and I had no help getting the motor out,
so I decided to tear the enginge out piece by piece.One head came off great,
and the other didn't. After about 5 minutes of beating on the head will a
maul, I decided to pound a chisel under the head, That worked real great. It
pried the front of the head up about 1 inch but the back wasn't moving. Hmmm.
Maybe it's time to pull that last bolt out, then maybe it'll come off. I just
hope the neighbors weren't watching. Good luck,
Kerry

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:21:11 -0700
From: Jar Lyons <jar.lyons@atrieva.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in movie: How 'bout those Illini!

I'm a General Engineering grad myself, class of '84


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------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:22:50 -0400
From: Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com (Blankenship, Mike)
Subject: Re: pushrod =?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?= & others

I had a 455 once that the head would not come off due to a major coolant   leak
into the cylinders, rust city.  I literally stuck a prybar down the   exhaust
port a jerked it off.  Hopefully this is not your problem.  Block   would have
to have been bored to much to use.

Mike
66 442
70 442 W30
70 Judge RAIV
71 442 Convt

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:46:25 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

Hello Oldsmobile people, long time no "type" to.....

I was at a flea market the other day and picked up a Hot Wheels car.  A 1970
"Cutlass" with a W25 hood.  It's yellow with black striping; one single body
stripe and the two W25 hood stripes.  Tires are black with no stripe at all.
The only markings on the bottom are:  "Hot Wheels",  "Malaysia" and " '93
Warner"  Also has the red "Hot Wheels" logo on the back window.

Can anyone tell me what this "little classic" is worth?

It's "chipless" and like new.  I'm assuming " '93 Warner" means it was made
in 1993.

Thanks in advance,
=====================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:53:38 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

Holy Sh*t RC you found the rarest toy ever -- perhaps $100 or more WOW

Sorry for the teasing - can't help it, its in my nature.  You are the proud
owner of a $1.50 Hotwheel
They are available at most toy stores.
I have seen them forsale at fleamarkets for as high as $5.00

Is yours new in the package. ----- If not, I can send you one with the
distributor, later this week.

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
- ----------
> From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
> To: Olds e-mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car
> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 5:46 PM
>
> Hello Oldsmobile people, long time no "type" to.....
>
> I was at a flea market the other day and picked up a Hot Wheels car.  A
1970
> "Cutlass" with a W25 hood.  It's yellow with black striping; one single
body
> stripe and the two W25 hood stripes.  Tires are black with no stripe at
all.
> The only markings on the bottom are:  "Hot Wheels",  "Malaysia" and " '93
> Warner"  Also has the red "Hot Wheels" logo on the back window.
>
> Can anyone tell me what this "little classic" is worth?
>
> It's "chipless" and like new.  I'm assuming " '93 Warner" means it was
made
> in 1993.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> =====================================================
> RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
> See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:09:12 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Who is going to Lansing?

>Who is going to Oldsmobile Lansing Homecoming next week on the 20th?>

I will be there with bells on!  8>o  (take that as you may)  I went last
year and it's a wonderful show.  Although the weather people have been way
off this year, they ARE calling for a sunny 82 degree day.  Oh please let it
be!


>P.S.  Does anyone have more details on this show?  I heard about it on this
list but I am not exactly sure were in Lansing Michigan it is.>

Get a map and you'll see Lansing is in between Flint and Grand Rapids, just
south (in the southern middle of the state).  The location of the show is
920 Townsend.  Exit #6 off of 496.   496 is the downtown bypass that
intersects with 96 and/or 69 (depending where you are coming from).  The
Olds administration building is a white building with "OLDSMOBILE" on the
front, along the 496 service drive.

Registration at the gate is $10 per car.  Show hours are 9:00am - 4:00pm.

See you there!

=====================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:00:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: wtd: conv shoulder belts

Yes Wayne some of my cars have these

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
1970 Rallye 350 (4-sale  $900)
See the Rallye at:
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/schinkel/

- ----------
> From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: wtd: conv shoulder belts
> Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 2:46 PM
>
> Bob: have you ever seen an installation.  Do you have one I could take a
> look at.  Wayne
>
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Socalolds@aol.com
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: wtd: conv shoulder belts
> > > Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 1:36 AM
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > > Are you familiar with where these belts attach to the convertible
frame?
> > >They can be made up by anyone who makes seat belts.
> >
> > The bracket where the belts attach are different from a regular
> > convertible.
> > The cars equipt with factory shoulder belts have a larger wider
mounting
> > bracket.
> > This is the bracket that the convertible top cylinders attach too, and
the
> > seat belts are bolted too.
> > You could probably custom make it all fit and work, but it would be
better
> > to have the proper brackets.
> > Just something to consider if you thought on having a belt made for
> > youself..
> >
> > Robert Schinkel
> > docbob@caninet.com
> > Niagara Falls, Canada
> > 905-357-4454
> > 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
> > 1970 Rallye 350 (4-sale  $900)
> > See the Rallye at:
> > http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/schinkel/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:57:44 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

It's yellow with black striping; one single body
> stripe and the two W25 hood stripes.  Tires are black with no stripe at all.
> The only markings on the bottom are:  "Hot Wheels",  "Malaysia" and " '93
> Warner"  Also has the red "Hot Wheels" logo on the back window.
>
> Can anyone tell me what this "little classic" is worth?

$1-2.  Seriously.  These were card #297, "Olds 442 W-30", and if it had
the classic "Hot Wheel mags" then it was an early release.  The newer
ones had cheesier looking wheels.  The '93 Warner Bros was for when they
ressurected the 442 for the Demolition Man car sets.  They just never
changed the bases when they started painting them other colors.  This
yellow job is not worth a lot, trust me.  However, I'm to understand
that they aren't making them in the yellow anymore.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:01:10 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: It good to be back

I didn't get around much so I can't say much of who was there.
But I did see Dennis

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
1970 Rallye 350 (4-sale  $900)
See the Rallye at:
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/schinkel/

- ----------
> From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: It good to be back
> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 10:43 AM
>
> Robert:  any of the other Southern Ontario Olds parts dealers there eg
> John Green...Dennis Hickman or don't they bother any more.  Wayne
> Schwartz
>
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> >
> > Well after a short vacation and a l - o - n - g swap meet, it good to
be
> > back to my regular slow boring life style again.
> > Last weekend I was at the Barrie Auto Fleamarket, here in Canada.
About
> > 2500 vendors and not much olds parts there.
> > I did pick up a set of 71 Cutlass grills, a 7028251 68 442 carb (in
good
> > condition), a 7043256  carb
> > a set of 71 sport mirrors and a black console (70 - 72).  All these
will be
> > forsale except the grills, they have a tab broken off I need to repair
> > first.
> > A very nice week end over all.  And I had the oppertunity to meet
someone
> > from this list.  Its always nice to see the other olds nuts.
> > The most sought after parts were and outer chrome pieces and 74 Cutlass
> > grills.  Had a hole bunch of people looking for these puppies.
> > There were some NOS in the boxes 68 delta grills.  And a set of 62 Olds
> > Hubcaps - NEW -
> >
> > So what did I miss?
> >
> > Robert Schinkel
> > docbob@caninet.com
> > Niagara Falls, Canada
> > 905-357-4454
> > 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:21:06 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

At 05:53 PM 6/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Holy Sh*t RC you found the rarest toy ever -- perhaps $100 or more WOW
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>Niagara Falls, Canada
>905-357-4454
>1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
>----------
>>
>It would be a cool little car if it didn't look like a x@$%*&*^$ Tor*no!!!
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:27:12 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: '70 Olds Hot Wheel car

Now, if you ever come across a Matchbox '70 442 with Redline tires and stars
& stripes on the hood that's in VG - EX condition, it'd be worth $200 -
$600, depending on condition, color, version, etc...  But good luck finding
one of those in good shape, cuz they were made in the '70's (or maybe early
'80's), and they've mostly all been played with for 20 or 30 years.  I've
actually seen some sell for more than $600!

> It's yellow with black striping; one single body
> > stripe and the two W25 hood stripes.  Tires are black with no
> stripe at all.
> > The only markings on the bottom are:  "Hot Wheels",  "Malaysia"
> and " '93
> > Warner"  Also has the red "Hot Wheels" logo on the back window.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what this "little classic" is worth?
>
> $1-2.  Seriously.  These were card #297, "Olds 442 W-30", and if it had
> the classic "Hot Wheel mags" then it was an early release.  The newer
> ones had cheesier looking wheels.  The '93 Warner Bros was for when they
> ressurected the 442 for the Demolition Man car sets.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:04:45 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: pushrod =?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?= & others

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:22:50 -0400 Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com
(Blankenship, Mike) writes:

.  I literally stuck a
>prybar down the   exhaust port a jerked it off.

       I'm sure that exhaust port wants to be your friend for life now.


Forgive me but I just couldn't resist.

Regards,
                E.J.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:21:46 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: all olds show in chesapeake,virginia

Eastern Virginia Oldsmobile Club's spring fling-car show & swap meet
 hosted by Greenbrier Oldsmobile 1300 s. military hwy. chesapeake ,va.
 exit 289a off i-64 right on military highway.    SATURDAY,JUNE 20 1998
   rain date sat. june21,1998
                           FOR OLDSMOBILES ONLY
  9:30 AM - 4:30 PM      registration 9:30 - 11 am
                                    judging       12pm -2pm
                                    awards         3:30 pm
                                     registration   $15.00 at the gate
      categories:
                      OCA TECHNICAL
                      NON-TECHNICAL
                      PARTICIPANTS CHOICE
                      LONGEST DISTANCE DRIVEN
                      UNFINISHED
                      MODIFIED OLDS BODY
                      SPONSORS CHOICE
                      OLDEST CAR
     PORTION OF THE PROCEEDS GO TO :
                              SAMARITAN HOUSE
                   PLEASE BRING A NEW TOY TO DONATE TO SAMARITAN HOUSE!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:41:24 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: '70 Olds Hot Wheels

Not quite, but I saw a '69 today.  Salesman's kid found it in his Granpa's
house, I guess.  Red 69, OAI hood, and ~bubble light~ on the roof.  I don't 
know
if it was trying to be a pace car, or a cop car, or what.  Pretty tough shape,
though.  Didn't get to play with it much, either!  :(
- --
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mailto:buehner@lyrea.com or mailto:charley@rocketship.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:43:30 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O emblems

> I'm in the last stretch of my 69 H/O resto, does anyone have experience
> restoring the 3 external emblems? Any words of wisdom would be
> appreciated.
>
> Also, I am short one of these emblems, does anyone know where I might be
> able to find one of these guys?
>
Berejik Olds, Needham, MA has them.  781-444-4797

Question.......what color are your stripes, hmmm???  Don't tell me I did
all that legwork for nothing....  :)

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:58:31 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: IBM Type Cards

In a message dated 98-06-14 14:50:45 EDT, you write:

<<  they used key punch cards to identify various options and etc., darn near
everyone in the assembly plant had his own to check if the correct units were
being put on the right automobile. A copy was normally in the vehicle.
  Lou Biggs >>

Lou,

Do you mean Hollerith cards? Any idea what year they began putting these in
the cars?

What auto manufacturer did this?
All of them?


Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

Members; OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:01:17 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: In search of a Hollie

Any list members happen to know, or have lying around, a Hollie 780
with mechanical secondaries as the one that came stock on the Z/28's
302cid engine?? Did this carburetor have other factory applications
other than the 302?? Please respond via private e-mail please..!!

Mike
Ironto VA
Mail to      krzy4evr@usit.net

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:29:12 EDT
From: <JMoakBOTH@aol.com>
Subject: Re: race weekend

I would be intrested in knowing your times and MPH.  I am having withdrawal
while mine is down.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:31:45 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Where'd my page go?  [non-Olds]

Hi.

I gots a prob.

I cannot seem to access my web page.

If some of you would try to go there and Email me *privately* as to whether it
loaded or not, I would be beholden to you.

Thanks much.

Karl Aune and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: Steering rebuild help!

Hi, I am new to the list. I recently purchased a 1966 Delta 88 convertible. It
been off the road for three years. My goal is to get it to pass New York State
safety inspection and drive it this summer.

I finished the brakes and now I am trying to repalce  the drag link and idler
arm.

My problem is I can't get the inner tie rods to seperate from the drag link. I
tried using a pickle bar with no luck. Does anyone make a special puller for
this? I been to three parts stores and all they have are pickle bars.

Also is there a puller to seperate the drag link from the pitnam arm? I ordered
a shop manual, but it has not arrived yet so forgive me if the general covers
this.

What about dropping the pitnam arm from the steering box. I have access to a
pitnam arm puller and the outer tie rods are out. This would allow me to work 
on
 these parts on the bench and then I could use a sledge hammer on the pickle
bar or I could even get the parts pressed out. What size is the socket for the
pitnam arm? I measured 1 - 3/8" would like to make sure I don't want to buy the
entire 3/4" set.

Finally can I heat these parts, propane and/or oxy-act? Any help is greatly
appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:54:32 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: thanks for the Hot Wheel info

Thanks to everyone that responded to my "Hot Wheel" post.  Judging by past
posts I knew I would get a few of you to answer back.  Some of you guys get
into the models/toys just as much as the real cars!  8>)

Myself, I prefer the "life sized" models.  Anyway, for those that may be
curious if I got ripped-off or not......the guy had two of the same yellow
car and was asking $.50 a piece.  So, I bought them both for a dollar
thinking they might be worth a saw-buck each.  Oh well.  Think I'll add one
to the collection of chipped, dented, scratched and abused Hot Wheel and
Matchboxes from my youth.

The other.....?  Looks like I can triple my investment!  Now, where to spend
that hard earned dollar.....

====================================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and many others at the Lansing Homecoming Show!  June 20th
Lansing, MI
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:49:15 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re:Block code

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:

> Jerry Christopher asked:
>
> I'd like to rebuild, won't with a crate though, and do the pistons, cam,
> and other basic block performance options, won't that defeat finding a
> special block?  If not, is there a specific BLOCK that's better than
> others?
>      Early (68 - 70ish) blocks are probably best.  Look for a large raised
>      "F", or "F0" through "F2" on the rear (flywheel end) face of the
>      block.

>    Joe Padavano

>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30

=========================================
Joe,

    Have you or anyone out there ever seen a 455 with "F 4" on the back of the
block?

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:42:49 EDT
From: <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: rallye stripe set/search!

anyone know where i can get a stripe set (decals) for my rallye 350?  just got
it painted, going back together with it.  also need some door opening weather
striping, has anyone bought any lately ?, from who, and how was quality?/
price?                                           i know year one and brothers
has decals but im not quite ready to shell out 500$-700$ dollars without
looking for other options.   i believe a list member (coyster@earthlink.net)
was in process of making rallye decals but havent been able to reach him .
does anyone know if he`s still on the list?   TIA   steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:49:07 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Where'd my page go?  [non-Olds]

At 09:31 PM 6/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hi.
>
>I gots a prob.
>
>I cannot seem to access my web page.
>
>Hey It's not just you Icouldn't get in either
John
mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:09:58 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: temp. gauge

Thanks John and Greg for your help.  I will give it a try.
Keith

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:02:30 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff" <tarnoffh@norfolk-county.com>
Subject: Literature

I just wanted to let you folks know how satisfied I am
with FAXONS Auto Literature.  I just received a shop manual,
Body Service Manual, Owners Manual, Convertable Manual, Showroom
Brochure and Sales Reps Ref. Binder for my 68 98.
All were exactly as represented.

This is very refreshing.  I have purchased other stuff that was
totally misrepresented before.

Faxons get two thumbs up.

H Tarnoff
68 98 Convert
55 F*rd F100 "Effie"

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:03:17 -0400
From: "Howard Tarnoff" <tarnoffh@norfolk-county.com>
Subject: Show in CT

Anyone know about an Olds Club Show in CT?

Thanks

Howard

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:31:10 EDT
From: <Ridn88@aol.com>
Subject: Re: evil headliner

hey i've done about a thousand of those headliners. if you still have the old
headliner board you can strip the material off, then take a wire brush and
gently scrape the old foam off. go to a local upohlstery shop and ask them for
some upohlstery glue. use an old paint gun to spray it on. you can also buy 3m
spray adhesive in a can but it does'nt hold as well. spray both the material
and the board. then lay your material down making sure you don't get any
wrinkles, rub it down good then rap the material over the back. it's not real
hard just take your time. good luck

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:37:51 -0500
From: The Eichholz's <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Disc Brakes

Hi Guys;
          Speeking of disc brakes,we just got done putting on disc in the front
of my drum 67 442.I didn't pay a lot either.With some minor mods,we put brakes
from a 81 cutlass on it.Gonna bleed them tomorrow.Got spindles for 20 
each,(with
rotors and calipers),took them apart,had to grind some of the caliper down to
accept my SSI wheel,but they are on and I didn't pay 300.00 like Hemmings would
like to see.Bought new calipers(rusted bleeders)and a new master
cylinder(72-$19.00).Those parts go bad sitting in a junk yard,so I opted for 
the
sure thing. Let me know what you think.      Tony 67 442

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:38:26 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: Year One exhaust

Year One sells a complete Dual exhaust system for a 350 Cutlass 68-72 for
$269.
It includes aluminized pipes 2 1/4" headpipes, 2" tailpipes, 2 mufflers
(supposedly high flowing), RH manifold block off plate, and a complete set of
hangers and clamps.

It sounds like a great deal, has anyone tried this package?

I am still considering headers but if I don't see a 350 cutlass convertable
with headers at the Lansing homecoming I am going to chicken out and be
practicle.  The other advantage of the year one package is that I can install
this system in my driveway.  I already have removed most of the old exhaust,
If I go to a muffler shop I will have to reinstall most of it just to drive
over there to have it replaced.


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:37:32 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

>Can anyone tell me whether I have a 350 or 455 by the vin number?
>It is  #3N67K5M301977. The car is a 1975 Delta 88 Conv.
>TIA
>Bruce

This'll be a 350, unless it's been swapped.  455s in 1975 Deltas (Cutlass
and Ninety-Eight, too) would have engine code T.  Toronado: W.

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca
Toronto, Canada

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta88
66 Toronado
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:46:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Homecoming Swap Meet this Sat.

Olds Homecoming car show & swap meet this weekend!

Saturday 20June98, at the [ex-] headquarters building, downtown Lansing, just
north of the river from the big three smokestacks.

Come, see, spend, sell.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:49:48 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: 71 442 conv sold

The autograph photo says it all...To Kai,  My very best always. God Bless
Bobby Bonilla   P.S. Thank your Dad for the 442!
The offer was one that I just c(s)hould not pass up.  Really sad to see it go,
but now I'm on the hunt full force for a 70-71 W-30 conv.   Already have the
first class Hemmings, Deals on Wheels, and Old Car Trader ordered.  Will drive
my wife crazy looking until I find the right one.  Very mixed emotions.
Loved the car, but really want the exact same in a W-30.  That one will be a
keeper for life!  All offers refused!  DKlauber

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