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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 9 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1355



Re: UNBOUNCE: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
Project Blackout in pictures
Re: Headlight doors
Re: Project Blackout in pictures
Olds Craft?
Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe
Re: '57 or '58 was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc
Re: Olds Craft?
Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two
Pics of wrecked Toro
Non Olds -- Mystery Buick
Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
a quick 78 cutlass question.
Re: Headlight doors
Re: Timing Question
RE: trans adaptor plate
OCA Nationals - Hotel?
Re: Olds Craft?
Returned mail: User unknown
71 taillight lenses
Re: Good times at the races - cam specs
Re: door trim needed
Re: Harmonic Balancer
Grrrrrr.... (Was Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe)
Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap
FS: SSIII wheels
It's a '58!  was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc
'80s sport steering wheel
Re: Timing Question
Friday night at Milan Dragway
Oldsmobile being canned from GM???
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
Re: How to save GM Billions!
Re: Headlight doors
Re: How to save GM Billions!
Re: Friday night at Milan Dragway
Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe
Re: 69 Convert Resto
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
J-Car
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
wiring
Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
'67 Parts for Sale
Re: '67 Parts for Sale
Re: Who's Who at Nats
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
Re: Olds Craft?
Re: Oldsmobile being canned from GM???

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:11:50 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>

> Now SOMEBODY should know this one... At some point (1960's for sure), the
> 88/98 etc. designations were related to the length of the body. (Maybe this
> is just obvious...).

Sorry, this is not true.  I believe you are confused with the Buick
Electra 225.  The 225 was related to the 225 inch length of the car.
That was in '59 or '60.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:12:33 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Project Blackout in pictures

Got Pics back today.  All interested, check 'em out here.
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83newest.htm

Also, if anyone missed the link, here's a link to some new Hurst/Olds
pictures...
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/hursts.htm

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:09:50 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight doors

In a message dated 98-07-08 19:10:33 EDT, you write:

<<
    Anyone know if the plastic headlight doors from a '68 442 will fit my '69
 442? Appreciate your replys.

            >>
No Tom, 68 are all by themselves


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Project Blackout in pictures

- ---Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
>
> Got Pics back today.  All interested, check 'em out here.
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83newest.htm
>
> Also, if anyone missed the link, here's a link to some new Hurst/Olds
> pictures...
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/hursts.htm

Hey Charley, Looking goooood.
Pat aka frogs442@yahoo.com
on behalf of John

==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index.html
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-----Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:31:52 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Olds Craft?

Hey, all you non-Car Craft readers...

This is taken from their August 98 issue from the In and Out List:

IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines

Hahahah.  That's just too good not to share!

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:29:51 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe

I agree, Don.  I think that if GM isn't careful, they can ~really~ screw up
a good thing here.  GM needs to trim the fat, but "where?" is a very hard
question.  If the corporate execs do something rash to stay ahead of the
strikers, I think they'll really be sorry.

I'd hate it if GM destroyed the F-Body line, but Jason Labay pointed out
that the Camaro's replacement would be a cost-efficient Vette and the Trans
Am nameplate would move to a different platform (which one, Jason?).
Unfortunately, that's how GM needs to play the game.  I think there isn't
anything that GM could have done differently to avoid this financial pickle,
they just got shafted by the UAW.  The UAW is so huge, you can't turn your
back.  Unfortunately, the UAW is so huge, GM might ~lose~ it's back!  With
plants closing down, SOMETHING's going to happen soon.  But remember, these
UAW workers are making something like $50 per week during strikes, so they
need to get back to work if ~they~ don't want to lose ~their~ backs, too!

I read somewhere that many GM lineworkers are ~salaried~ workers making
upwards of $40k or $45k per year.  That's a GREAT paycheck for a factory
worker, but the UAW is striking just because it can.  I think we should be
criticizing the UAW instead of GM, but _that's_not_for_this_forum_.  I've
probably strayed enough as it is.

Thanks for the bandwidth...

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe


>While we are soapboxing on the upcoming end of GM product line, I would
>like to also kick in another gripe for consideration.  Rumor has it that
>GM is also going to kill the f-body shortly.  That means the Firebird
>and Camaro will also be gone.  So let's see, they kill Olds, Camaros,
>Firebirds and maybe Buick.  What the @$** is next?  Why don't they just
>make 2 or 3 models and let Ford and Mopar build the rest of the
>domestics?

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:36:49 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '57 or '58 was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc

Jonathan Parke wrote:

> The cowl vent grill is divided and raised as you describe.  So that makes
> it a '58.

Well, am I glad we got that settled.

> Now... a final detail.

Uh-oh...

> Do you think there is a way to tell from my photo whether it is Dynamic 88
> or a Super 88?  I'm assuming the Super 88 had some extra options and
> thought maybe a sign of one of them would show up in the engine compartment.

Jeesh.  You don't want much, do ya!  Can we tell you if it's a Dynamic
or a Super going on a photo of a half stripped engine?  Whaddaya, nuts?

OK.  There are very few mechanical differences between a Dynamic and a
Super.  The main two are:

Supers have dual exhaust as standard equipment.  If the heads are off in
the photo, maybe you can see if there's just one or two exhaust pipes
just hangin' in the air?  'Course, just becuase it might have duals
doesn't mean it's a Super.  Duals were an option on the Dynamic.  But,
if you only have one pipe hangin', odds are it's a Dynamic. (I just
realized what I typed here, and what you typed before.  You said the
heads and manifold were removed, I was thinking that meant intake
manifold.  I'm guessing that if the heads were off, the exhaust
manifolds would have to be off, too.)

The other difference would be the air cleaner, which probably isn't in
your photo, so it doens't really matter.  Again, the standard Super air
cleaner was optional on the Dynamic, so it would still be pretty hard to
tell.

Is there ANY portion of the front fender shown in the photo?  That would
help alot!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:39:01 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Craft?

> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines

YES!!!!!!!  It's about time they get ~something~ right!!!!

Don't suppose it's a mis-print, do you???

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:23 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two

Just a note on the much maligned Edelbrock aluminum heads.  I have had a
deposit sitting with Summit for about 2 months now for these units.  I
became frustrated and contacted Edelbrock last week and they said my heads
would (and I quote) "be available the week of July 27th , 1998".
FINALLY!!!!

I spoke to Dick Miller about them and he strongly recommended getting them
"thermal coated" for heat purposes.  Mondello's group said that only 100
sets of them would be built during this first production run.  If you're
serious about them, I'd get an order in soon.  I would imagine that they
will be readily available later in the summer but they (Edelbrock) are
traditionally slow to ramp up production.

John Gill
jgill@idmi.com

- ----------
> From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Nitrous, Blower or head work?  Don't want the first two
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:59 AM
>
> I'm thinking of using the Edelbrock heads on a 455 for my '72.  Lynn at
> Mondello says that if they do a little extra porting and put in their
> posi-flow valves you'll pick an extra 70 horses.  What I don't have any
> data on is what the Edelbrock heads out of the box would do for
horsepower
> improvement.  Plus I have no experience with Mondello other than many
> people rave about him (them).  Either way the savings in weight with the
> aluminum heads is attractive.
>
> Jonathan Parke
> mailto:jonparke@together.net
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:47:36 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Pics of wrecked Toro

Got more pics here.  These are the '73 Toro I'm pulling the engine out of.  Can
you believe ~no injuries~???

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/Tororek.htm

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:58:13 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Non Olds -- Mystery Buick

Anyone recognize this Century?  I've never seen one before it, so I had to take
some pics...

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/century.htm
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:58:09 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel fuel
line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and the
line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor of
having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.

If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.

Let's be careful out there!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:09:16 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: a quick 78 cutlass question.

I took the small block chevy mounts off my 78 cutlass frame today.  The
new olds frame side motor mounts have 2 bolt holes (1 top and 1 bottom)
There is a big "L" on the left one and a big "M" on the right.  I got two
of the many holes to line up, but the question is which side faces up?
At the dealer we looked in the book and it was hard to make out, but it
seemed that the large flange faced up and the small flange faced down.
This would mean the "L" and "M" stamps also are towards the top.  If I'm
wrong please let me know.

Thanks,
Ken

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:15:01 -0400
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Re: Headlight doors

Looking through the Parts Catalogue #763A Group 2000 Illistration 17 Headlamp
assembly (1968)
Same catalogue  Group 2000 Illistration 18 (1969) shows the difference between
the two headlight doors.
By our catalogue the two are not interchangeable.

TomW30@aol.com wrote:

>    Anyone know if the plastic headlight doors from a '68 442 will fit my '69
> 442? Appreciate your replys.
>
>                     Tom

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:29:03 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Timing Question

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:

> If you go to the http://www.442.com/tech.html and look at the Supper tuning
> section for 350 & 455 engines. It will give you different settings. Basically
> it asks whether
> you want a final advance of 30 or 35 degrees. Accordingly you set your
> initial. RPM is also given. Right now I'm running 14 deg. advance at 1100
> rpm, initial, which is supposed to yield 30 degrees advance by 4000 rpm.
> This is something that I'm still fooling around with. Have you re-curved
> your distributor? If not, that's something that you might consider. Gives
> you more performance timing capabilities. Good luck.

=================================That is a good site, I forgot about it,
thanks!  The only problem is that I have a Mallory Unilite distributor and MSD
6AL box so I don't know what the curve is.  Anyone out there have this set-up
and if so what are you using?  Thanks.
- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
Tustin, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Wed,  8 Jul 1998 22:20:39, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: RE: trans adaptor plate

I've got a brochure from a company that sold these adaptor plates...
will see if I can find it somewhere... as I recall, I think thier
number was something like 1800 FAST-88S or something like that...
Will see if I can find the brochure... they advertise in Hemmings
Motor News.

> From:	"Peter Slisz" <pv7793@email.msn.com>
> Subject: adaptor plate

> I have a Olds 394 V-8 (63 model year) and want to put a turbo 350
auto
> transmission behind it.  Looking for a place to buy a adaptor plate
to
> hook-up the engine and transmission.  Also looking for a left hand
exhaust
> manifold for a 394 V-8.  Exhaust must exit at rear.  Thanks, Pete
> pv7793@classicmsn.com


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k
miles)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Hardtop Coupe (389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles)

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:24:58 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: OCA Nationals - Hotel?

Looked at my Illinois tourism Hotels & restaurant Guide.

I intend to be in Springfield Thursday eve. and hopefully Friday eve as well.

Need Hotel.

Before I try the hotels....

(Sheesh! How do I word his one right?)

Is there anyone else seeking lodging that would be interested in sharing a
Hotel room for the same days.

Some have posted about reservations that they will not use.

If no replies, Karl will try Red Roof Inn or even lower-end models due to
recent job swapping.

Karl has Friday off work and will depart from work Thursday (Gary, IN area) at
approx 3:30pm central time. Arrive Springfield 4:10 pm central time
(speedometer still kaput) or thereabouts (give or take 2-3 hours).

Soylent Ocean Mist will be in attendance for at least the first part of the
trip......

KA
&SOM

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:59:52 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Craft?

Guess that means I should ditch my plans for a Chevy motor in the 72 :-) I want
to be in, out is not cool.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project


>> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
>> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
>
>YES!!!!!!!  It's about time they get ~something~ right!!!!
>
>Don't suppose it's a mis-print, do you???
>
>--

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Guess that means I should ditch my plans for a Chevy motor in the 72 :-) I want
to be in, out is not cool.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500.....Vortec 350, A4, 4.10
80 Olds 442 W-30........350, A3, 2.73
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....350, A3, 2.56
72 Cutlass Supreme.....drag car project


>> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
>> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
>
>YES!!!!!!!  It's about time they get ~something~ right!!!!
>
>Don't suppose it's a mis-print, do you???
>
>--

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:35:27 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: 71 taillight lenses

i have 72 lenses in my 71
who wants to trade?

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:46 EDT
From: <Knightvd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Good times at the races - cam specs

In a message dated 98-07-07 17:34:21 EDT, you write:

<< > I finally got my car to the track (Old Bridge Twp, Raceway Park, NJ) with
the
 > new 3.73 gears.  I was pleased with a 13.9 run at 99 MPH.

 What's the duration of the cam? I want to see if my car could run 13's.
  >>

The cam is a Crane part number 804541.
specs are :

484 lift intake,  512 lift exhaust
272 duration intake,  284 duration exhaust

With this cam and the old 2.73 gears in the Cutlass I ran a best of 14.5 @ 98
MPH.

With the same motor in a 71 Delta 88 (about 500 pounds heavier) with 2.73
gears and the STOCK cam I also ran a 14.5 but at 94 MPH.

This cam likes the 3.73 gears.

Vince Knight
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:51:21 -0500
From: Albert Meyer <Olds@AustinTX.net>
Subject: Re: door trim needed

That's a pretty rare car. During the gas shortage they crushed all of the
big ones. I have a 68 98 and I'm having trouble finding parts too. No
regrets though - when I put the top down and drive down the street with a
1/2 mile of hood ahead of me, I feel like a millionaire. I can't see the
holes in my front bumper from inside...

You'll find what you need eventually, but don't be in a hurry. Just keep
watching the newspaper, search the Internet, put up ads wherever you can,
and ask here about once a month.

At 10:47 AM 7/8/98 -0600, Thomas Barriano wrote:
>With all the people on this list, no one
>has a door trim for a 66 Dynamic 88 2 dr
>convertible?  I know its not a 442 or even a Cutlass, but it is an Olds
>:-)
>
>Regards
>Thomas
>
'68 98 Convertible 455 - Still looking for a parts car
Austin, Texas mailto:Olds@AustinTX.net

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:51:30 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer

In a message dated 98-07-07 19:31:49 EDT, you write:

<< What do you tech types think- smooth up a bit with emery and put it in,
turn
 it down smooth at work (would take .050" at least), or stick with the wobbly
 one? >>
Victor makes a stainless repair sleeve that presses onto dampner for the new
seal to contact.
Mr57olds

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:48:38 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Grrrrrr.... (Was Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe)

Easy on the UAW, gents.  As a union mechanic, and someone with friends
employed at Fairfax (Kansas City, Kansas), I can tell you that they're not
striking for great wage increases, although they have a right to.  The facts
are that in Corporate America today, the gap between labor's and management's
wages has reached an all-time high, with top management's salary and benefits
far out pacing their worth.  The employer I work for is constantly paying top-
level managers outrageous salaries and giving them "golden parachutes" when
they move on for doing practically nothing.  The UAW is wanting security for
the workers of GM, and benefits that are on par with what management has,
plain and simple.

GM has plans to build plants in other countries, and has done some of this
already.  They are always looking for ways to reduce the cost of doing
business on the backs of the labor force, as are many companies today.  If
they can get the cars or parts made cheaper in another country, where wages
are ridiculously low, safety standards for workers don't exist, and
environmental pollution doesn't get any attention, then so be it.  They don't
care, the bottom line is all they see.  These workers are what made GM the
billions of dollars they have squandered on a top-heavy management team who
has not done a lot to keep GM up to date and competitive in the marketplace.
Now GM wants to be able to throw out these people and toddle off to other
countries where they can make billions for those top-level managers, so they
can keep widening the gap between labor and management.

More and more today, unions are not as interested in gross wage increases as
they're looking for benefits and job security for the people that made the
companies all the money over the years.  Why is it that most companies are
doing just fine until it's time to negotiate a labor contract?  I know our
company's doing just that.............

(soapbox mode off)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:59:10 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '57 Center Diff Section Swap

In a message dated 98-07-07 20:55:36 EDT, you write:

<< Question: are 57 thru 64 Olds and Pontiac pigs directly interchangable? Any
 driveshaft potential problems at the pinion flange? >>

I believe they are all interchangeable.  I had a '57 Olds rear in a rail in
'70's with 4.88 & 5.12 gears.  I bought an alum. pig that was suposeably out
of '62 Pont nascar  rear and ran that for a couple of years prior to selling
car.
Mr57olds

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:12:06 -0500
From: senator@itis.com (Robert F. Newbegin Jr.)
Subject: FS: SSIII wheels

Well, I just got done having my new US Wheel custom wheels installed.  They
are really cool (well, nothing else on the car is stock, why should the
wheels be?).
Bought them at All-Car (I think its a national chain), $190 for the set,
$10 for center caps, $20 for the lugs.

I got them installed at National Tire and Battery, where I bought the
tires.  They put them on for free, I guess cause I bought the "lifetime
balance" when I bought the tires.  Very cool.  All-Car wanted $100 to
install them.

Anyhow, the reason I got new rims (besides the cool appearance) is the fact
that one rim is rusty and leaks.  The other three, however, are ok. All are
dirty, with the beginnings of rust in the middles.  No major scrapes or
dents or bends. They appear to have been painted black, but all the chrome
thingies are ok.  I think they're supposed to be 14x6, but I have been told
they are 14x6.5.  Bolt pattern is 5x4.75.  (This I know for sure.)

I also have 3 center caps (one was lost), and two of these have decals.
All 3 are have tiny rust bubbles that have not made it through the chrome.
I have all 4 trim rings, but one is quite rusty.  2 rings have traces of
rust on the inside, one seems almost completely rust free.

Anyhow, I am 10 miles north of Madison, Wisconsin (hence the rust
problems,) and would like to get rid of these.  Any offers?  I have no idea
what they are worth.  I could take pictures, though, if necessary.  Please
e-mail me at senator@itis.com

Bob       '78 CS

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:10:24 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: It's a '58!  was Re: '56 Station Wagon etc

I wrote:

>> Do you think there is a way to tell from my photo whether it is Dynamic 88
>> or a Super 88?  I'm assuming the Super 88 had some extra options and
>> thought maybe a sign of one of them would show up in the engine 
compartment.

Paul replied:

>Jeesh.  You don't want much, do ya!  Can we tell you if it's a Dynamic
>or a Super going on a photo of a half stripped engine?  Whaddaya, nuts?
>
>OK.  There are very few mechanical differences between a Dynamic and a
>Super.  The main two are:
>
>Supers have dual exhaust as standard equipment.  If the heads are off in
>the photo, maybe you can see if there's just one or two exhaust pipes
>just hangin' in the air?  'Course, just becuase it might have duals
>doesn't mean it's a Super.  Duals were an option on the Dynamic.  But,
>if you only have one pipe hangin', odds are it's a Dynamic. (I just
>realized what I typed here, and what you typed before.  You said the
>heads and manifold were removed, I was thinking that meant intake
>manifold.  I'm guessing that if the heads were off, the exhaust
>manifolds would have to be off, too.)
>
>The other difference would be the air cleaner, which probably isn't in
>your photo, so it doens't really matter.  Again, the standard Super air
>cleaner was optional on the Dynamic, so it would still be pretty hard to
>tell.
>
>Is there ANY portion of the front fender shown in the photo?  That would
>help alot!

========

Thanks Paul, but nothing shows up in the photo that's gonna help... no
fenders, no duals that I can see and no air cleaner.  Just six spent
Schlitz cans sitting where the intake should be.  I remember at the time
thinking and saying what are you guys doing?  They got a big kick out my
reaction.  Really nice folks.  Put the two of us up at one of their houses
while the motor was being fixed.  Fed us and took us out to where they
would drag their souped pickup trucks on some old back road.  Little did I
know at the time that I'd get heavy into Olds cars later on.

So thanks for all your help,

Now anybody got a '58 Red/White Station Wagon for sale?  I'm actually serious.

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:00:11 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: '80s sport steering wheel

i found a sport steering wheel in a '86 cutlass salon today and i was
wondering if i might can clean it up enuff to use it.  is the center piece (i
think its aluminum) supposed to be aluminum color, or black?  this one is
black and like i said, it needs a cleaning badly so i cant really tell what
its supposed to look like.  thanks,
jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:26:18 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Timing Question

> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
>
> > If you go to the http://www.442.com/tech.html and look at the Supper tuning
> > section for 350 & 455 engines. It will give you different settings.
Basically > > it asks whether > > you want a final advance of 30 or 35 degrees.
Accordingly you set your > > initial. RPM is also given. Right now I'm running
14 deg. advance at 1100 > > rpm, initial, which is supposed to yield 30 degrees
advance by 4000 rpm. > > This is something that I'm still fooling around with.
Have you re-curved > > your distributor? If not, that's something that you 
might
consider. Gives > > you more performance timing capabilities. Good luck. > >
=================================That is a good site, I forgot about it, >
thanks!  The only problem is that I have a Mallory Unilite distributor and MSD 
>
6AL box so I don't know what the curve is.  Anyone out there have this set-up >
and if so what are you using?  Thanks. > -- > Chris Miller > '68 442 > Tustin,
CA > mailto:cya442@mindspring.com


Chris,
We use the Mallory Unilite (conversion) with an MSD 6AL on our race car.
However, when optimizing the total advance it really doesn't matter what the
source of spark is.  (Delco point dist., MSD unit, HEI, etc.) I've found the
best starting point for setting up an Olds' total advance is 36 deg.  Due to a
variety of factors, some applications will respond better to more and some to
less total timing.  And of course the rate at which it comes in will be a 
factor
as well.  To find what works best for your combination will require some 
testing
and tuning.  This can be a fun thing.... - - Greg Rollin Supercars Unlimited
(Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:32:19 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Friday night at Milan Dragway

For those in the S.E. Mich area  there will be a few of us from the Detroit
Street Rockets club hitting Milan this Friday for some test 7 tuning.

Last time out I was warned for going 11's without roll cage and other
necessary
equip for NHRA track. (Borrowed friends BG carb which did the trick) Put the
855
Holley back on to see if we can get er back into the 11's again even if we get
tossed.

Hope to see any there that can make it.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:44:58 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile being canned from GM???

I don't know how it is elsewhere in the country, but out here in the
suburbs of NY city the Oldsmobile lineup is pretty popular.  In an area
where oversized/priced Sport Utes and Euro luxo sedans seem most poplular,
the Aurora holds it's own.  In fact, there probably are just as many
Auroras on the roads as there are G-body cutlass, these days.  I also see
quite a few of the newer style Shilouettes, definantely more than the chevy
venture or Pontiac versions.  And I'm just starting to notice more
Intrigues riding around lately.

So it seems (at least to me) that Oldsmobile is doing quite well.  They
have a marketing direction that seems to be working.  (It might not be the
direction we want, but it's direction.)  As a former business student, I
find it hard to believe that GM would discontinue any of it's Subsidiaries
at this point in time, especially the Oldsmobile Division.  GM has pumped
so much money ito restructuring Olds and trying to get it to once again
turn a profit, that they wouldn't want to write it off so soon, and just
when it's starting to show some promise.

Just my point of view,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:52:09 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

even better yet, push-lock hose.
it's like braided only the brades are a strong fiber and they are covered by
an outer layer of rubber, so you never cut the h*ll out of your fingers..
I swear by them.
also NHRA says you can run them from carb to fuel tank and be perfectly safe
and legal.(not recommended).
I use it around my fuel cell and carb.
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:57 PM
Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel fuel
>line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
>expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and
the
>line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor of
>having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.
>
>If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.
>
>Let's be careful out there!
>
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:49:59 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: How to save GM Billions!

GM wouldnt kill Chevy they love it it keeps them in business that is why
they chose the chevy small block for the corporate engine back in the 80's
and why it has changed very little since this is not to say that the other
companies are not as good just not as popular this is also coming from a die
hard olds owner and driver.
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: How to save GM Billions!


>In a message dated 98-07-08 15:13:18 EDT, you write:
>
><< Don't let Chevy drive the company anymore!  They have done enough
> damage!!  GM wanted to kill off Chevy in the 80's, why not now? >>
>
>Tom,
>I couldn't agree more. Jimmy / GMC/ and blazer are essentially the same
>anyway. Problem is Ch*vy has always been the biggest seller cause it's the
>least expensive GM line. I doubt they would dish their bread and butter.
>Bruce

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:55:13 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight doors

no chance they have a space for the blinker/parking light between the
headlamps....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Headlight doors


>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 TomW30@aol.com wrote:
>>    Anyone know if the plastic headlight doors from a '68 442 will fit my
'69
>> 442? Appreciate your replys.
>
>Almost sure they will not. '69s have a rather plain-looking dualdoor
>while '68s have individual doors for each light.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:09:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: How to save GM Billions!

David L Wyatt wrote:

> Just save the old cars and let the new ones go to h*ll

Never underestimate the power and ignorance of upper management.  They
are capable of much more than we would ever suspect.  Prime example
would be the leveraged buyouts of the 80s that were WAY over book value
and earnings repayment capabilities.  Unreal how some companies were
financed out of business.  Another one I can think of rather quickly is
bringing a product to market before the R & D dept has gotten all the
bugs out of the new product because the company is on thin ice
financially.  Recalls work decently as long as the product doesn't cost
lives, etc.  Anyone want to buy a pacemaker that has a recall out on it?
I don't think so Tim.  How about a car who's brakes don't work quite
right?  Me neither.  That's the reason I try to stay away from the new
model changeover or intro the first year or two.  Come on Olds, make us
a car we can be proud of.  You'll sell a load of them....

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:04:13 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Friday night at Milan Dragway

got a picture of the 69 442 as I also have one of these and finding pics is
difficult trying to build a screen saver library...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: RPTW32@aol.com <RPTW32@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:37 PM
Subject: Friday night at Milan Dragway


>For those in the S.E. Mich area  there will be a few of us from the Detroit
>Street Rockets club hitting Milan this Friday for some test 7 tuning.
>
>Last time out I was warned for going 11's without roll cage and other
>necessary
>equip for NHRA track. (Borrowed friends BG carb which did the trick) Put
the
>855
>Holley back on to see if we can get er back into the 11's again even if we
get
>tossed.
>
>Hope to see any there that can make it.
>
>Rgds,
>Rob Thomas
>69 442

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:37:56 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Happy 101st...-Maybe

Jason Adcock wrote:

> that the Camaro's replacement would be a cost-efficient Vette and the Trans
> Am nameplate would move to a different platform (which one, Jason?).

I love the Vette, but it is the only car I know of that self-destructs
sitting in a heated and cooled garage.  Anyone ever hear of spider
cracks in the fiberglass when you haven't hit anything?  I  would also
draw some attention to the switching of nameplates, i.e., taking a
wellknown name and putting it on the proverbial POS.  Anyone remember
the Dodge Chargers of the late 60's early 70's with the hemis and 440s?
Remember what Chrysler put it on in the 1980s?  Examples also exist in
the GM lines?  Remember the GTOs? I wonder what they'll put the T/A name
on?  And if they do kill Olds and Buick, what's next?  Time machine time
again folks.  I've GOT to get one of my convs on the highway soon.
Eventually Olds might rest with the REO, et al.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:55:08 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Convert Resto

any A-body 69-72 GM shouldn't be too tough to find if I have one you want
it?....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Parsley <parsley@ma.ultranet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: 69 Convert Resto


>I just converted my car from front drums to disk brakes.  I am looking for
a
>disc brake proportioning valve.  Do you or anyone know what year car I can
>get this off of?  I am restoring a 69 Olds Cutlass.  The disc brakes came
>off a 69 Chevelle.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Mike Rothe.
>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 2:56 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: 69 Convert Resto
>
>> I have no real mechanical knowledge, but I want to make this a learning
>> project.  I guess I want to know where I should start?
>
>If I were gonna start in on anything first, it's the mechanical side of
>things.  This way, you can still drive and enjoy the car while you
>restore, if you AREN'T going full bore with a frame off resto or
>something heavily detailed.
>
>Where do you want to go today?  This is what you need to ask yourself.
>You need to know what you have PLANNED for your car.  This is
>important.  Planning.  Do this, and stick to it, and you'll be much
>happier.  Now, if you just want to spruce it up with cosmetics, then I
>suggest buying all the little trim parts and pieces, lablelling and
>storing them until you get them ALL together.  Then, you can replace all
>the stuff you want to on it and clean and fix as you go.
>
>One thing you can do is find a friend or someone you know that KNOWS
>about cars, and preferrably Oldses, and have them "judge" your car.
>Take notes about what they see that needs fixing on the car, and write
>them down.  It's fun, and you also get a different, but usually kinder,
>perspective on how your car actually is seen by others.  You take the
>notes, then do your OWN "judging" and write down some more.  The owner
>seems to be ALWAYS more critical of the little things.
>
>Then, prioritize the list from biggest/hardest/most expensive, on down.
>What and when does this part need fixing, etc.  Gives you a good idea on
>how much you need to spend.
>
>If you want to do a mild or more resto on it, then be prepared.  Take
>what you THINK your alloted $$ and TIME budget will be, multiply it by 4
>or 5, and this is what it will end up REALLY taking you.  You always
>tend to go that 'extra mile' when you really just wanted to repaint the
>engine compartment, and end up replating the brake booster and carb.
>It happens a lot.  And sometimes, it's worth it.
>
>Basically, you need to have a good idea of where you're at right now,
>and where you want to end up, and then figure out how you can get
>there.  Sorry this isn't very specific, but you need to assess the
>situation for yourself, and you know more than anyone about how well
>your wallet can stand the restoration.
>
>One extra tip, get an ASSEMBLY and CHASSIS manual for your car.  They're
>still around and available, and shouldn't cost an arm and a leg.  They
>are worth their weight in gold for information.
>
>Good Luck.
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:05:34 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

did you know that the hose is rubber inside? the fittings are clamped on
like a compression fitting and that the service life is the same as a rubber
hose in the same use? however they do look better have a higher bursting
strength (due to the girdle effect of the braided wire)
and are used on almost every aircraft in existence from the sr-71 to the
piper cub well maybe the cub has rubber but so what
- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel fuel
>line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
>expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and
the
>line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor of
>having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.
>
>If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.
>
>Let's be careful out there!
>
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:30:45 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

yes I have set-up many fuel systems with steel braided hose.
Pushlock is a high pressure fuel hose rated to about 600psi I do believe,
since it's braids are covered with rubber, it doesn't cut the sh*t out of
you while you are trying to put it in an AN fitting.
However for airplanes, well, Cutlass may well have been an airplane;
however, I don't think it produces over 600 psi or anywhere neer it so......
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>did you know that the hose is rubber inside? the fittings are clamped on
>like a compression fitting and that the service life is the same as a
rubber
>hose in the same use? however they do look better have a higher bursting
>strength (due to the girdle effect of the braided wire)
>and are used on almost every aircraft in existence from the sr-71 to the
>piper cub well maybe the cub has rubber but so what
>-----Original Message-----
>From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:02 PM
>Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
>
>
>>Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel fuel
>>line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
>>expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and
>the
>>line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor of
>>having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.
>>
>>If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.
>>
>>Let's be careful out there!
>>
>>Ken Snyder
>>Kansas City, Kansas
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:32:53 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: J-Car

Message text written by Jason
>Now the J-line ~I think~ is scheduled to be
replaced by a new platform. Not sure, but I do know that the rumors are
running wild here that the GM Lordstown plant
that makes the J-line will close...who knows.<

The J-car is currently being made in Mexico and there is capacity to pick
up all of the US production and close down Lordstown.  The Lordstown plant
is not viewed very favorably by GM management due to past labor problems
and poor efficiency.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:32:37 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

ok so i need sleep...too many hours in front of delphi 3
sorry.
Brett

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>did you know that the hose is rubber inside? the fittings are clamped on
>like a compression fitting and that the service life is the same as a
rubber
>hose in the same use? however they do look better have a higher bursting
>strength (due to the girdle effect of the braided wire)
>and are used on almost every aircraft in existence from the sr-71 to the
>piper cub well maybe the cub has rubber but so what
>-----Original Message-----
>From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:02 PM
>Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
>
>
>>Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel fuel
>>line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
>>expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and
>the
>>line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor of
>>having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.
>>
>>If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.
>>
>>Let's be careful out there!
>>
>>Ken Snyder
>>Kansas City, Kansas
>
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:29:39 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

point taken...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line


>yes I have set-up many fuel systems with steel braided hose.
>Pushlock is a high pressure fuel hose rated to about 600psi I do believe,
>since it's braids are covered with rubber, it doesn't cut the sh*t out of
>you while you are trying to put it in an AN fitting.
>However for airplanes, well, Cutlass may well have been an airplane;
>however, I don't think it produces over 600 psi or anywhere neer it
so......
>Brett
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@mci2000.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 12:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
>
>
>>did you know that the hose is rubber inside? the fittings are clamped on
>>like a compression fitting and that the service life is the same as a
>rubber
>>hose in the same use? however they do look better have a higher bursting
>>strength (due to the girdle effect of the braided wire)
>>and are used on almost every aircraft in existence from the sr-71 to the
>>piper cub well maybe the cub has rubber but so what
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:02 PM
>>Subject: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line
>>
>>
>>>Here's something you can consider when you need to replace that steel
fuel
>>>line, for whatever reason.  Get a braided steel line!  They're not too
>>>expensive, you can get fittings to go from the fuel pump to the line and
>>the
>>>line to the carb, and they look nice.  Not to mention the safety factor
of
>>>having a threaded joint instead of hose clamps.
>>>
>>>If you can't get the steel line, braided steel is the next best thing.
>>>
>>>Let's be careful out there!
>>>
>>>Ken Snyder
>>>Kansas City, Kansas
>>
>>
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:33:41 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: wiring

does anybody have the schematic for the factory tach on a 69 442?
my factory diagram just shows a tach being there not an actual diagram of
what terminal conects to what wire...kk

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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:47:34 -0700
From: burling1@juno.com
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

Motors manual, Motors manual, Motors manual, library, library, library
On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:53:21 -0300 (ADT) Greg Beaulieu
<ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From:	Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
>Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
>
>>Paul, thanks for the history lesson.  I was not sure if there was
>anything to
>>the series numbers or not, just some foggy memmories of similar
>series numbers
>>being used within GM.  I asked the question hoping someone could
>clarify the
>>issue for all of us.
>
>Now SOMEBODY should know this one... At some point (1960's for sure),
>the
>88/98 etc. designations were related to the length of the body. (Maybe
>this
>is just obvious...).
>
>
>*************************************************************************
>* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )
> *
>*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America
> *
>* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.
> *
>*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704
> *
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>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:12:55 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '67 Parts for Sale

Here is an interesting for sale listing I got recently:

Selling complete 67 Cutlass/Vista Cruiser NOS parts collection. Also have
3 Vistas as well, 1 is a driver, 1 is in resto, 1 is parts car.Lots of
used parts and options as well. Some of the NOS - Cruise, RH and LH mirrors,
LH Remote mirrors, Power Ant.,Deluxe seat belts, Headlamp bezels,Set of
Custom Wheel convers,all sorts of body mouldings, and much more. Lots of
excellent used parts as well. Enough parts to build 1.75 restored cars.
I am selling it as a complete
package. I will not break it up. One price for the lot. Come and get it.
Asking
$15,000. OBO. Call Dale at 416-755-3835 evenings EST.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Vista Cruiser
'80 GMC 1/2 ton (the youngster)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 02:34:46 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Parts for Sale

Where ya at?
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 2:04 AM
Subject: '67 Parts for Sale


>Here is an interesting for sale listing I got recently:
>
>Selling complete 67 Cutlass/Vista Cruiser NOS parts collection. Also have
>3 Vistas as well, 1 is a driver, 1 is in resto, 1 is parts car.Lots of
>used parts and options as well. Some of the NOS - Cruise, RH and LH
mirrors,
>LH Remote mirrors, Power Ant.,Deluxe seat belts, Headlamp bezels,Set of
>Custom Wheel convers,all sorts of body mouldings, and much more. Lots of
>excellent used parts as well. Enough parts to build 1.75 restored cars.
>I am selling it as a complete
>package. I will not break it up. One price for the lot. Come and get it.
>Asking
>$15,000. OBO. Call Dale at 416-755-3835 evenings EST.
>
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Vista Cruiser
>'80 GMC 1/2 ton (the youngster)
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 04:56:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Who's Who at Nats

> will there be one final list of everyone who is goin posted a couple of days
> befor the big meet???

Yep, and ideally I'd like to have a meeting place and time set up, but
nobody's forthcoming with ideas...hint hint... :)
I don't have the schedule with me, but I suggested the 16th or 17th
sometime at one of the host hotels...

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:07:32 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

I am using HD shocks (can't remeber the manufacturer) from a 350 DISEL
custom cruiser.  The tires (both front and back) are BFGoodrich Radial TAs
255/60/15 size.  I am vary happy with those tires and would recomend then
to you.  I have them put on 7" wheels.  In a about a couple of months, I
should have the pics of my car up.  Igor

- ----------
> From: HOFFAX181@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:47 AM
>
> In a message dated 7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> todorovb@cadvision.com writes:
>
> <<
>  Date:	7/7/98 11:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>  From:	todorovb@cadvision.com (Igor) >>
> what tires are you putting on front and what type of shocks are you using

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:32:56 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Craft?

Or so they say.  I wonder how long it will be until they say "We know that
Chevy in a Olds is a big bad, but since it will do mid 10's (on steroids)
it is too good not to show.  Just pretend it is a Chevelle".  I would like
to see the end of this.  Igor

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
> To: Oldsmobile E-Mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Olds Craft?
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 5:31 PM
>
> Hey, all you non-Car Craft readers...
>
> This is taken from their August 98 issue from the In and Out List:
>
> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
>
> Hahahah.  That's just too good not to share!
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
>
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:35:45 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile being canned from GM???

Who knows, there may be some Chevy hothead at the corporate level who once
upon a time spent ton's of time building up his BB Nova and got blown by a
stock Delta and now wants REVENGE.  Joking.  Igor.

- ----------
> From: deirdre. reilly <102724.635@compuserve.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmobile being canned from GM???
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:44 PM
>
>
> I don't know how it is elsewhere in the country, but out here in the
> suburbs of NY city the Oldsmobile lineup is pretty popular.  In an area
> where oversized/priced Sport Utes and Euro luxo sedans seem most
poplular,
> the Aurora holds it's own.  In fact, there probably are just as many
> Auroras on the roads as there are G-body cutlass, these days.  I also see
> quite a few of the newer style Shilouettes, definantely more than the
chevy
> venture or Pontiac versions.  And I'm just starting to notice more
> Intrigues riding around lately.
>
> So it seems (at least to me) that Oldsmobile is doing quite well.  They
> have a marketing direction that seems to be working.  (It might not be
the
> direction we want, but it's direction.)  As a former business student, I
> find it hard to believe that GM would discontinue any of it's
Subsidiaries
> at this point in time, especially the Oldsmobile Division.  GM has pumped
> so much money ito restructuring Olds and trying to get it to once again
> turn a profit, that they wouldn't want to write it off so soon, and just
> when it's starting to show some promise.
>
> Just my point of view,
>
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Cutlass Ciera

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