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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, June 18 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1316



Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme
Re: dumb question
Re: 350 or 455?
Re: pushrod ? & others
Find it at Jerry's (was Junk It)
Late model 120 speedos
moulding trim for '67 cutlass
re: 1984 Cutlass -Tires etc.
Looking for 70-71 442 W-30 conv
Re: Junkyard Finds (was Junk It)
camshaft conundrum
71-72 Ram Air Hood
71-72 Ram Air Hood
B.O.P. show and questions
Re: TRW (sealed power) springs
Re: 403/thm400
Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.
Re: B.O.P. show and questions
Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass
69' Tic-Tac-Tock
39 vs 45 block id
Supercars Unltd
Re: David Senn's car
Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
'nother SP guide correction
horny button details
Wanted: '68 Sport wheel horn button
RE: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
Re: 5 or 6 speed swap
From WI to RI: need help in transporting a shortblock (kinda off-topic)
How To Drive a $50,000 Vehicle for $100 a month!
Re: camshaft conundrum
UNBOUNCE: Moving a Motor from Wi. to R.I.
Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix
Re: Starter Dropping??
test
RE: Starter Dropping??
Need small trim clips 4 left fender moulding
Re: 350 or 455?
Re: Shock absorbers
moving
Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass
Re: TRW (sealed power) springs
Re: pushrod ? & others
Parts 4 Sale
Re: dumb question
Re: camshaft conundrum
Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
Re: Directional wheels (was dumb question)
Re: dumber question
Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass
Motor ID in VIN (was: 350 or 455?)
Re: dumb question
Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
Re: dumber question
Fuel Tank Surge Tank/Vent
Nomenclature (Was Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass)
Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
Re: Directional wheels (was dumb question)
Re: Nomenclature (Was Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:37:34 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme

Yes, I agree that the Firestones are slightly better rain tire.

I had a set right before the BFG's, but I had terrible luck with them in
general.

They didn't hold air very well and wore horribly.  I only had them for 15k
miles before I finally trashed them.  The car was at a few different tire
places (including Firestone themselves) getting leaks fixed.  They'd drop to
20 psi or so and stay there.  I'd pump them back up and after a few days,
they were at 20 psi again.

I love the T/A's.  They're excellent all around tires.  Like I said, you'd
have to be racing an AWD Eclipse so something to notice any HUGE difference.
They're far from dangerous.  Just don't go out hot-rodding around corners in
the rain and you're safe.  Besides, they're the worst when the rain just
starts, and all the oil on the road bubbles up.  During a hard rainfall,
they're fine.

FWIW, I also like the style of the T/A lettering much better because of a
much more "classic" look, but of course, that's completely a personal
choice.

Hope this helps.

Jason Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: Question on 1984 Cutlass Supreme


>provide better dry pavement traction over the basic T/A's.  You will find
the
>Firestones are in the same price range as the basic T/A's.  And in my
opinion, a
>MUCH better tire.
>
>Just my recommendation for keeping the shiny side up.
>Greg.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:48:12 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: dumb question

Well, on this accord, the directional tires have an arrow to show the
required direction of rotation.  And yes, they had basically one casing
style, so you could swap them front to back, but not side to side. The
IROC kamaroos had different wheel spacing from front to back, as well as
directional tires.  This meant dismounting the tires from the wheels
just to ROTATE them.  PAINFUL!

The tire MUST be mounted in such a way to rotate with the arrow going
forward mounted on the vehicle.  The GSCs from GOOD YEAR are one heckuva
tire, and bite extremely well, but soft compound only allows them to
last about 33K if you're not roasting them much.

Mike Rothe


> Most of the directional wheels I've seen (early 90's Vette, for example)
> "point" one way on the left and another way on the right because they're
> just a single casting style.  I don't know which way is "right".  I don't
> know if I've ever seen them point both ways, so it might look weird if they
> did.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:12:55 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

In a message dated 98-06-15 14:03:11 EDT, you write:

<<  Can anyone tell me whether I have a 350 or 455 by the vin number?
 It is  #3N67K5M301977. The car is a 1975 Delta 88 Conv.
 TIA  Bruce  >>

Bruce,

You cannot tell very much about the block by the VIN. I would guess that it is
a 455 though. Easy way to tell is to measure across the intake manifold.
14"=BB, 12"=SB. Even if you cannot qite get down in there close enough to hold
the tape against the manifold, do not worry about it. It is pretty hard to be
off by a full two inches. Also the left side of each cylinder head will have
an identifying mark about 1" tall. Big Blocks have letter designations, Small
Blocks use numbers or numbers with letters like 7a. Also, in the first
depression (crease) in the manifold, a Big Block intake will have a letter. My
'65 2bbl intake has "A" there. My '76 4bbl intake has "W".

KA
&SOM

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:12:54 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: pushrod ? & others

In a message dated 98-06-15 16:10:11 EDT, you write:

<< I presume the end  with said little tiny hole goes up when re-installing.
Correct or not?
  Timing chain looks okay but has what seems to me to be lots of slack. Need
replacing? Any way to just remove links? >>

Karl not know about pushrods.
(But Karl will probably learn the hard way real soon...)

As for that chain.... about what, 1/4 inch play?
The specs for a chain is that each link is 0.500" (or whatever your
application is). The point is that it is a very exact spec. There might be a
way to pull a link, but I would not recommend it. It would be less work to put
a new one in. And you would regain some HP as that chain play affects timing.
Is your cam gear the kind with nylon teeth? Best to replace those whether they
need it or not.

Once I had mine out I cleaned it up. There were no chips or broken teeth, but
tiny cracks in every single tooth.

And lastly, once you get the new chain on, it will be so tight on the
sprockets that you will be glad to have done it.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:10:33 EDT
From: <Iam2XL@aol.com>
Subject: Find it at Jerry's (was Junk It)

Jim,

Try Jerry's Valley, down by the canal where route 171 and route 83 meet.
Jerry's been there for years, and is a crusty old dog, but I was there last
year and he still had a few A bodies from the '68 - '72 vintage.  I think he
even still has the '62 Olds that my dad junked in 1976.  I found a mirror
there.  Oh joy.  Also try Hub, which is kitty-corner from Jerry.

If you don't get too dirty, there is a really good Cajun place to eat in
nearby Lemont called the Lemon Tree.  I think it's almost time for crawdad
fest...

If I can get it, one of my friends knows some place way out in the western
burbs that sells nothing but Olds parts.  He is in CA for the week, so if I
can get it in a timely fasion I will.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:26:34 -0400
From: super442@mindspring.com
Subject: Late model 120 speedos

Hello everyone,
                 Hopefully in a day or so we late model guys will be able
to register 120 mph like the early cars.In the process of getting laser
quality decal to cover 85 scale . If anybody is interested hit me direct.
         Later,John









mailto:super442@mindspring.com
John McJunkin
1985 Cutlass------T-tops--307 H.O./3.73  http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass------Moonroof--307
1982 Cutlass Cruiser wagon(G-body)--soon to be 403!!

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:34:17 -0400
From: Robert Dye <robbyd@gte.net>
Subject: moulding trim for '67 cutlass

Need right rear tire well moulding trim for '67 Cutlass Supreme
convertible.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:04:45, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: re: 1984 Cutlass -Tires etc.

Yeah for wet or dry traction I'd go with Firestones... When Lucille
(my '84 Cutlass) was still running I ran all sorts of tires...
Firestones had the best traction of all... with the possible
exception of some fancy Pirellie's I got used one time... They had
good tread life too (considering I could only ever afford USED tires).
  In fact... all in all... my only complaint with the Firestone's was
that it was damnably hard to do a decent burnout until I replaced the
original 2.41:1 rear end :)

Yep... ran many many different types and brands of tires, even for a
little while ran a full set of (yes 4) BFGoodrich street-legal drag
slicks... whew... she'd handle on them (unless of course the road was
wet... rain... or somebody took a notion to spit in the road :).

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (RIP) (350 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, FI, 85k miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Hardtop Coupe (389 4bbl, TH400, 100k miles)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:09:57 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Looking for 70-71 442 W-30 conv

Does anyone on the list know of someone selling a #1 or #2 condition W-30
conv?  I would be willing to pay market value for the right car.  Not looking
to steal a  deal, but also not willing to pay 40K.  Thanks

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:19:04 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Junkyard Finds (was Junk It)

I was at Hub and Jerry's and another junk yard today. At Hub Junk I found two
72 Cutlasses. I took a fuel gauge, woodgrain piece for the gauges, 70 AM
radio, and an air conditioning vent hose. Then I went over to Jerry's. "Crusty
Old Dog" that's not even close to what I would call these guys. I walk in and
say "Do you have and Cutlasses or "A" bodies in your yard?" Nope. I knew he
was lying, but didn't even want to bother.
Then I went over to another junkyard with cars stacked 5 to 6 high. They
wouln't let you walk back there, they would get the part for you. I didn't
even bother with these guys. When you find out the guy who has all olds parts
please let me know!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague

Jim,

 Try Jerry's Valley, down by the canal where route 171 and route 83 meet.
 Jerry's been there for years, and is a crusty old dog, but I was there last
 year and he still had a few A bodies from the '68 - '72 vintage.  I think he
 even still has the '62 Olds that my dad junked in 1976.  I found a mirror
 there.  Oh joy.  Also try Hub, which is kitty-corner from Jerry.

 If you don't get too dirty, there is a really good Cajun place to eat in
 nearby Lemont called the Lemon Tree.  I think it's almost time for crawdad
 fest...

 If I can get it, one of my friends knows some place way out in the western
 burbs that sells nothing but Olds parts.  He is in CA for the week, so if I
 can get it in a timely fasion I will. >>

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:28:18 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: camshaft conundrum

Am I losing my mind?

I just ordered the lunati 00083 camshaft from DMR.
Specs are:
dur @.050    dur@0        gross lift        lobe sep
224/234        290/300      .496/.520     112

I am replacing the equivalent  of lunati 06181
204/214        270/280        .448/.472    112

Before putting the new cam in I measured the lobe height jsut for the hell
of it and found that the intake lobes on the new cam are slightly larger
than the old cam(about .012").

(Now the crazy thing) However, the exhaust lobes on the new cam are
significantly smaller than the old cam(about .020")
Isn't this totally wrong?  Shouldn't the new cams exhaust lobes be
taller/higher to equate to the greater lift?

Did I get a cam with a bad grind?

I am going to call DMR tomorow.

HELP ME BEFORE I GO CRAZY

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:28:43 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 71-72 Ram Air Hood

Does anyone know of some one with a 71-72 ram air hood???  My father currently
have a 70 ram air hood but needs a 71-72 for his cutlass convertible.  So he
would like to just trade my 70 hood for a 71-72 hood.  Or if he finds someone
who will only sell their 71-72 hood he would probebly just by it.  So anyone
know of someone looking to sell or trade their 71-72 hood for a 70??????
Please reply privatley.

TIA

Brent Ardo
1967 Cutlass Convertible

Dad
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:32:00 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 71-72 Ram Air Hood

For got to say where to reply to, so here it is. Please reply to
Cnvrt67@aol.com.

Sorry for takin up more bandwith

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:54:20 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: B.O.P. show and questions

ok,
at the cleveland B.O.P. show i picked up a 68 steering coloum with a wood
grain wheel still on it.......$30. guy who sold it to me had just sold a nice
71-72 dash pad with a complete ralley pack still in it. he sold it for get
this.....$40!!!!!! couldnt believe it. saw the guy unloading his stuff earlier
so passed him up and decided to come back later. am i stupid or what?

now the questions:
1) will the 68 woodgrain wheel fit on my 67 column????

2) i would like to put a posi in my 67. what years will interchange in
there??? 65,66,68,69??????

any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:59:35 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: TRW (sealed power) springs

Do you have a plain 67 Cutlass?  Not a Supreme or 442?  I thought I was
the only one in the world with one of them....only 3777 made.  I need to
find a driver's side 1/4 panel...anybody got any ideas???

art

> Brett Wilson wrote:
>
> Are there any people on this list running the TRW Stock springs on
> their cutlass?  I have a 67 and am wondering what would be a good
> spring combination.  I have an HO sway-bar and a pretty reinfoced
> frame. I am also running a small block without A/c.
> TIA
> Brett Wilson
> 67 Cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:04:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 403/thm400

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

> Hi all!
>      Anybody running a 403/thm400 combo? I recently destroyed my transmission
> pump, and was wondering if anyone else had this problem? They are all stock
> parts. The converter sheared off the tops of the pump tangs after 10,000
> miles! I know the converter was seated fully when installed. A friend said
> that I should have seperated the converter from the flexplate with washers, 
to
> get more engagement. I had never heard of the converter being able to be out
> far enough to fit, yet after 10,000 miles, shear the pump tangs off....any
> insight would be appreciated.
>

Well, I'm running a built 403 in front of a TH350, and have had no
problems.  Sounds like something that shouldn't happen again if it is
repaired properly.  TH400's rule!  want to give me yours? ha

- -no washers or anything




Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:06:53 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bench to Buckets..  78-88 G-Body.

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Jason Adcock wrote:

> At 06:54 PM 6/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >> On the 60/40 bench seat setup, if I were to find another driver's seat
> >> (AKA: 40) would it be possible to swap seat tracks from the seats,
> >> making to driver's seats, or a 40/40 with a 20 gap for the console?
>

In my 87 Cutlass, the 40% is driver's side, and passenger is 60.  so the
armrest position is controlled by passenger!!  What the?





> Jerry, I'm not sure about the Cutlass Supremes, but in our old Ciera wagon
> (and my parents' '79 Grand Prix), the driver's side was 60% of the bench
> and the passenger side was the 40%.  So in effect, wouldn't you need
> another passenger side to put on the driver's side, to make it 40%/40%?
>
> Jason Adcock      OCA# 28044       1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe
> mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu       http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
>

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass coolant pit Supreme

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:12:41 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: B.O.P. show and questions

I had to put a new rear in my 67 a couple of years ago,  unfortunately
they're unique..1' longer  on each side than a 68 or a 66.  I think I
ended up with some bu*ck one in there or something.  I usually get
plenty of laughs from mechanics when it comes to finding stuff for a
67...

art

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
>
> ok,
> at the cleveland B.O.P. show i picked up a 68 steering coloum with a wood
> grain wheel still on it.......$30. guy who sold it to me had just sold a nice
> 71-72 dash pad with a complete ralley pack still in it. he sold it for get
> this.....$40!!!!!! couldnt believe it. saw the guy unloading his stuff 
earlier
> so passed him up and decided to come back later. am i stupid or what?
>
> now the questions:
> 1) will the 68 woodgrain wheel fit on my 67 column????
>
> 2) i would like to put a posi in my 67. what years will interchange in
> there??? 65,66,68,69??????
>
> any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Brent
> 1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:07:32 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass

I need a left one....I know a guy here in NJ who has a couple of 67
parts cars...I'm going over there on Saturday to take a look, if you
want I'll scope out the molding for you...

art

Robert Dye wrote:
>
> Need right rear tire well moulding trim for '67 Cutlass Supreme
> convertible.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:06:37 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

There's a gentleman here in Calgary whose got lots of olds parts: 14" and
15" inch SSII wheels, some SS1's; hoods, interior parts and today we were
discussing a TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
version (which his is) is the same as the 70.  Any answers out here? He's
got the guages from the set as well.

Thanks for your info in advance.

Kevin Meredith
Okotoks, Alberta
70' Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 39 vs 45 block id

Is it easy to tell the lifter bank of a particular engine once the intake is
off, does the difference show to the naked eye?  What I have here is 1) the
original 455 out of my '70 Supreme, 2) a 400 of '68 vintage, and 3) a 425 out
of a 66 or 67 Toronado (not sure of year) that I rescued from the crusher. #'s
1 & 2 are totally disassembled and # 3 has the intake off.  If I look at their
lifter galleries will I be able to see the difference?  I realise we are
talking about six degrees, but did they do anything else that would make the
difference noticeable?
Ken Snyder
====================
Don't even need the intake off.

Pre-D block: 45 degrees.
Post-D block: 39 degrees.

D blocks:
  39 degree= WITH drill spot on the vertical rib @ RH end of block
             casting # shelf. Not too deep, just a conical valley.
             0.921 [large] lifters
             Came in Toro/SFire/ maybe Jetstar1.  Others?
  45 degree= No drill spot. Small [0.842] lifters, same as '68-up motors.

Is clear now?
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Supercars Unltd

[some 39 vs 45 degree tidbit?]

Hope this helps
Greg Rollin.        supercars@transport.com
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
==================
Bitchin! a Supercars Unlimited rep reading & contributing!

I love their "By the Numbers" book, if only I had had something like that back
in '84 or so when I was living in CA!

Now, why the HELL did they not show the forged crank's J-shaped notch, and/or
at least point out that that's what it looks like?! The one easy id tip that
does not even require oil pan removal!

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:31:29 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: David Senn's car

I am in the  process of getting something going on Davids car .
I will keep you posted.
Roger

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:47:45 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

Any for an 81 Toro, 307?  Clock, right rear interior light, air conditioning
hoses from firewall to compressor, air conditioner compressor, Cruise Control
diaphram & cable for carb, front grill, etc.

Kevin Meredith wrote:

> There's a gentleman here in Calgary whose got lots of olds parts: 14" and
> 15" inch SSII wheels, some SS1's; hoods, interior parts and today we were
> discussing a TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
> version (which his is) is the same as the 70.  Any answers out here? He's
> got the guages from the set as well.
>
> Thanks for your info in advance.
>
> Kevin Meredith
> Okotoks, Alberta
> 70' Vista Cruiser
> mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
> http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:43:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 'nother SP guide correction

OK, besides Handren's addenda/ corrections, which I have no reason to doubt,
and thanks for that input, Bob...

my computer seems to feel it's necessary to change apostrophes to other stuff
at random when I past text from the WP into email. :

- ----------- as seen before-------------
This electrical signal is fed into the trans thru the connector on the
left side, along with the power for the kickdown solenoid. The two form
a RTS, with the stator control terminal being the top of the T and the
kickdown being the upright.

              Stator   |--   Detent
================
- ----------- as it should read-------------

This electrical signal is fed into the trans thru the connector on the
left side, along with the power for the kickdown solenoid. The two form
a "T", with the stator control terminal being the top of the T and the
kickdown being the upright.

              Stator   |--   Detent
================

Sheeesh.

- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: horny button details

After more research, I belive that instead of a wire, that a spring,
eyelet and insulator is usedto make contact between the cam assembly and
the horn contact.  Is this correct? Dan
==============
Sounds about right I guess. I seem to be missing these items.
Usually, there's a plastic wire holder that fits snugly into the cam ass'y.
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Wanted: '68 Sport wheel horn button

Finally got that friggin Camero [sic] steering wheel off the car. i had a good
cam for under the steering wheel, luckily, but nowhere in my stash can I find a
horn button, nor do I have the item to which it attaches, which is itself held
to the spokes area by 3 screws apparently. I guess I'd need the aforementioned
wire that goes into the hole in the cam, too.

If anyone has or knows where to get these items, please let me know, it sure
looks half-assed with a bare wire sticking out of the cam hole for a horn.

But, I can see the gages now, and it's almost a Chevy-free car [diff. to go]
- --
Chris Witt  *the* Rocket Scientist
1968 442 convertible, originally & to be again W30, et. al
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:17:20 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: RE: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

He's pretty much an A-body kinda guy but I will ask him for you.

Kevin.

Kevin Meredith
Okotoks, Alberta
70' Vista Cruiser
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Spence
Sent:	Wednesday, June 17, 1998 9:48 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock


Any for an 81 Toro, 307?  Clock, right rear interior light, air conditioning
hoses from firewall to compressor, air conditioner compressor, Cruise
Control
diaphram & cable for carb, front grill, etc.

Kevin Meredith wrote:

> There's a gentleman here in Calgary whose got lots of olds parts: 14" and
> 15" inch SSII wheels, some SS1's; hoods, interior parts and today we were
> discussing a TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
> version (which his is) is the same as the 70.  Any answers out here? He's
> got the guages from the set as well.
>
> Thanks for your info in advance.
>
> Kevin Meredith
> Okotoks, Alberta
> 70' Vista Cruiser
> mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
> http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:50:57 -0400
From: "Edwin R. Burger IV" <erb22@drexel.edu>
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap

I don't know if you got this information from the list, but a T-5 will bolt
up to your olds if you change the bellhousing, and a T-56 will with a $52
adapter from Jegs.  I think you'll need some other little parts too, but I'm
not sure.

Ed

- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@AOL.COM <KS7RACING@AOL.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: 5 or 6 speed swap


>Ed,
>
>I'd like to know this information too, as I am thinking about swapping the
>TH-350 out of my '80 Starfire and would like to replace it with a 5-speed
with
>5th gear overdrive.  Sometime in the future, I'm leaning towards replacing
the
>3.8L with a 350, and with the overdrive I could afford to also go up from
the
>anemic 2.56 gears to some mid-3's and keep some decent highway mileage.
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: From WI to RI: need help in transporting a shortblock (kinda 
off-topic)

I'm appealing to any and all list members who may be able and/or willing to
help me out with a little problem:

* There's an engine shortblock sitting a little West of Milwaukee with my
name on it; unfortunately, I don't have any pre-existing plans to travel out
that way from Rhode Island, and driving out to Milwaukee and back solo is a
bit intimidating. Sooo....

* Is there anyone who may be travelling near Milwaukee, to anywhere East of
Milwaukee, that might have time to pick up an engine block and drop it off
somewhere closer? While getting it all the way to RI in one shot would be
wonderful, the chances of anyone having the time and the space in the back
of their truck would be pretty slim, I'd imagine. But, if someone is heading
down to Ohio or Pennsylvania, my trip-time might be cut in half.

* Barring that, who's up for a road-trip from Providence to Milwaukee in
early-August? Swapping off driving duties, and I'd buy the meals.

Anyway, if there's anyone who could help me in any way, please e-mail me
directly at my address below.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:26:54 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: camshaft conundrum

Man, thank god that I found someone with this cam.  I just bought the old
cam that you are replacing (lunati 06181).  This cam will go into my 455
with 10:1 CR.  PLEASE, tell me if this cam was okay.  Since you are
replacing it, you got me scared that it is not good.  The car has 2:41 posi
but will try to get some 3:23s or so.  What kind of powerban did it have,
what kind of power/fuel economy.  Why exactly are you replacing it and what
engine did you run it in.  Thanks a lot.

Don't know why your exaust on the cam is smaller.  Makes no sense to me.
Give them a call and see what is going on, and then let us know.  But
please, tell me about the old cam.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 2.41limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)
- ----------

> I am replacing the equivalent  of lunati 06181
> 204/214        270/280        .448/.472    112
> patrickd@wwnet.com
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:22:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Moving a Motor from Wi. to R.I.

Not on the list, reply to RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: From WI to RI: need help in transporting a shortblock (kinda
  off-topic)

I'm appealing to any and all list members who may be able and/or willing to
help me out with a little problem:

* There's an engine shortblock sitting a little West of Milwaukee with my
name on it; unfortunately, I don't have any pre-existing plans to travel out
that way from Rhode Island, and driving out to Milwaukee and back solo is a
bit intimidating. Sooo....

* Is there anyone who may be travelling near Milwaukee, to anywhere East of
Milwaukee, that might have time to pick up an engine block and drop it off
somewhere closer? While getting it all the way to RI in one shot would be
wonderful, the chances of anyone having the time and the space in the back
of their truck would be pretty slim, I'd imagine. But, if someone is heading
down to Ohio or Pennsylvania, my trip-time might be cut in half.

* Barring that, who's up for a road-trip from Providence to Milwaukee in
early-August? Swapping off driving duties, and I'd buy the meals.

Anyway, if there's anyone who could help me in any way, please e-mail me
directly at my address below.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:11:26 -0400
From: "James E. O'Donnell" <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Sup Classic w/pix

Charley Buehner wrote:

 Anyone want to check this out and add any input?  (This person on the
list perhaps???)  My critique I guess would be that the picture isn't
rescaled right (looks squished) but that roof?  Is this a factory
option?  What was the "carriage top" supposed to be?  I'd seen a 79 or
80 (can't recall grilles....) with the "fake" convertible top...
Looked, well, uh, different.  This doesn't look too out of place, except
for the windshield moulding area.   (I'm also guessing the wheels have
been changed, too.  Weren't they supposed to be those honeycomb spoke
type things???  I don't have much 88 information, so I'm paying extra
attention here...

Charley,

I own a all white 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic and mine is a hard top
that came with the factory aluminum wire wheels which I just changed
over to brand new 14" super sport factory chrome wheels. I don't know
exactly what Oldsmobile had as options in 1988, but that carriage top
looks like an after market. What I would really like to know is if the
bucket seats and the console were an option since I have a bench.

As far as price, $9,500.00 seems a bit high for a 10 year old car even
though this car looks mint. I paid $3,500.00 for mine and aside from the
engine having over 100,000 miles on it, although it still runs strong,
the car is completly clean and stock.

Best wishes

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:18:18 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Re: Starter Dropping??

Shims ... while I do not have a w-30 ...
My starter on the 69 had three shims in it.

When you drop the starter, they may fall out
or remain attaached to started or block mount.

My advise:  make sure you put the shims back in.
There is a reason for them being there ...
The effect the procper lining up of the dog to the
flywheel / flex plate.

Ken Swick

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:19:43 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: test

Test

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:21:14 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Starter Dropping??

Ironic my 85 307 had no shimms, and when I dropped in my 77 350, I added
none, and all is well.  My guess would be the starter is the dimension
that varies so much.  The blocks are the same.  (I would hope so!)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Swick [mailto:swickka@mail.cvn.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 1998 7:18 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Starter Dropping??


Shims ... while I do not have a w-30 ...
My starter on the 69 had three shims in it.

When you drop the starter, they may fall out
or remain attaached to started or block mount.

My advise:  make sure you put the shims back in.
There is a reason for them being there ...
The effect the procper lining up of the dog to the
flywheel / flex plate.

Ken Swick

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:32:33 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@mail.cvn.net>
Subject: Need small trim clips 4 left fender moulding

swickka@cvn.net

Well the 69 Cutlass Sup is beginning to look like a
car again  ... floor pans in ... seam seal applied ...
floors painted in rustoleum semi-black ...
shot the door jams last night in Spectre Red.

Next problem : I need to find the small moulding
clips that go with left fender trim ...

I checked Year One but did not find them listed.

Any ideas on these trip clips?

Ken Swick

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:51:11 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 350 or 455?

KarlAune@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-15 14:03:11 EDT, you write:
>
> <<  Can anyone tell me whether I have a 350 or 455 by the vin number?
>  It is  #3N67K5M301977. The car is a 1975 Delta 88 Conv.
>  TIA  Bruce  >>
>
> Bruce,
>
> You cannot tell very much about the block by the VIN. I would guess that it 
is
> a 455 though. Easy way to tell is to measure across the intake manifold.

Sure you can, if you just know the VIN codes for that year. You have the
K motor, this is a 180hp 350, single exhaust.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:50:53 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Shock absorbers

In a message dated 98-06-17 17:36:23 EDT, you write:

<< Any other shock
 absorber suggestions? >>

I use the Monroe Sensitrak on my full sized Delta. All I can say is I
should've put them on sooner.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:09:47 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <coarl@cyberramp.net>
Subject: moving

Well, so long everybody. I'm moving this weekend. Packing up the computer
tonight. I'll be back after I get another e-mail account in Kentucky. Have
fun everyone, and keep trouncing those low class ch*vys, F*rds, and
Chr*slers. Be kind to your P*ntiac, and B*ick brothers. They're the only
siblings with "some" class.
Seeeeeeee Yaaaaaaaaaa.

Ed

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:29:33 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass

Robert Dye states:

> Need right rear tire well moulding trim for '67 Cutlass Supreme
> convertible.


Try this guy, he specializes in '66-'67 Cutlii & 442s:


LaPierre, Bill
27 Heather Lane
Somers, CT

Olds Parts Guy -
Coordinator of the
N.E. Olds Club

(860)  763 - 3134 (H)



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
- ------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:32:54 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: TRW (sealed power) springs

art pleads:

> Do you have a plain 67 Cutlass?  Not a Supreme or 442?  I thought I was
> the only one in the world with one of them....only 3777 made.  I need to
> find a driver's side 1/4 panel...anybody got any ideas???

I gave this guy's name & number for the gent looking for molding, but
it applies here too.  I've dealt with him a few times, he's a decent
guy and he *knows* '66-'67 Cuts & 442s:

LaPierre, Bill
27 Heather Lane
Somers, CT

Olds Parts Guy -
Coordinator of the
N.E. Olds Club

(860)  763 - 3134 (H)

P.S.  There's a gent with a plain 67 Cutlass convertible in my town.
      You're right, these are rarer than the Supreme ragtop I have.



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
- ------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:45:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: pushrod ? & others

Karl Aune asked

>As for that chain.... about what, 1/4 inch play?

Oh,  no. Can move chain laterally at least 1.5"
Used my own judgment (AAAHHHH) and already bought new gear & chain set.

Thanks a lot, though , for the only response on this one.


roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:43:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts 4 Sale

PLEASE!
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1966    B cylinder heads  (bare heads)      $150

1967    C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole   $225
already magnufluxed  -  complete

1968
442 grill emblem                                         $40
Nos Side marker light gaskets                    $10 all
Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)  $30
Ashtray Door                                               $10
Convertible top cylinders                              $30 ea.
Rear defroster switch                                    $25
Motor mount heat shield                               $8
Conv. Top latches                                           $30.pr
Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass   $40.pr.
Reverse light lens good condition                     $10
442 Carb  #7028251                               $150
Intake for 442 398662 with choke             $100
Choke pulldown only                               $25
Power Antenna Switch                           $25

1969
442 Grills exc.                         $150
Cutlass Grills                           $90
Wiper switch                            $40
Radio plate (uncut)                   $20
Rear defroster Switch & wiring   $25
Plastic headlight frames            $75
Ashtray Doors                           $10
Convertible top cylinders           $25
Hood Hinges                             $35
442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.    $20
Motor mount heat shield             $8
Conv. Top latches                      $30.pr
Vacuum trunk switch                  $25
Taillight lens and some housings  $15 ea
69-72      Nos SSI center caps        $165
69-72      Power window motors       $25 ea.

1970
Tail light lens (Cutlass)            $15 ea
Tail light lens (Supreme)         $20 ea
Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes           $20
Rear liscense plate brackets   $10ea.
Nos pass. side headlight frame  $60
Sport Mirrors                           $175
Nos fender script "Cutlass"      $30 ea
Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)      $20 ea
Nos 442 emblem set (both sides, front tooth and trunk lid)      $150
F85 fender script                     $30 pr.
Rear side marker lights            $15 ea
70 442 bumper  core                     $100
Ashtray Doors                                $10
Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)      $20
Convertible top cylinder                $25
Hood Hinges                                  $25
Motor mount heat shield                 $8
Conv. Top latches                          $40.pr
455 heads E casting                       $100
Convertible Top Switch                  $75
1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding      $60
69-72      Nos SSI center caps        $165
69-72      Power window motors       $25 ea.



1971 & 1972
Front bumper directional lens         $10 ea.
Tail light lens                                 $10 ea.
Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E"     $30
71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c (6 ft. long  bottom pieces)    $60
T handle  (that opens hood)                               $10
Ashtray Doors                                                $10
71  Cutlass Grills gc.                                      $90
Sport Mirrors                                                 $40
Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges)       $10
Convertible top cylinders                                            $30
Hood Hinges                                                             $25
Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions                            $10
Motor mount heat shield                                           $8
Conv. Top latches                                                    $40.pr
Black  Auto console                                                $90
Nos tailight lens Gaskets
                              part # 5963323 Lowers  - 2
                              part # 5963322 Uppers    - 4      $20 for all
69-72      Nos SSI center caps        $165 set
69-72      Power window motors       $25 ea.

1973
Carb         7043256                         $40

Shipping is extra
Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
905-357-4454

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:50:19 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: dumb question

Ryan asked:

Had a buddy ask me this and I also wonder the answer........Does a set of
directional wheels point forward on one side of the car and backwards on
the
other side (all wheels the same) -or- are there two opposite pairs to a
"set"

   Actually, Ryan, the answer is YES.  :-)

   In other words, both configurations are available, but former is more
   prevalent, due to tooling costs.  One of the first production cars with
   true directional wheels was the 84 Vette, which supposedly used the
   directional vanes on the wheels to extract hot air from the brakes.
   This car used mirror image wheels on opposite sides of the car, so that
   there were specific right and left wheels.  In addition, the car used
   different width wheels front and back, so there was a different wheel on
   each corner of the car.  It seems the beancounters must have had a
   coronary at this, as the new C5 Corvette doesn't even use directional
   wheels at all.

   Virtually every car you see today with "directional" wheels (including
   just about every "directional" aftermarket wheel I've seen) use the same
   wheel on both sides of the car, resulting in one side being "forward"
   and one side being "backward".

   Gratuitous Olds Content:

   You can put directional wheels on an Olds.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:00:13 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: camshaft conundrum

patrickd@wwnet.com wrote:

I just ordered the lunati 00083 camshaft from DMR.
Specs are:
dur @.050    dur@0        gross lift        lobe sep
224/234        290/300      .496/.520     112
I am replacing the equivalent  of lunati 06181
204/214        270/280        .448/.472    112

(Now the crazy thing) However, the exhaust lobes on the new cam are
significantly smaller than the old cam(about .020")
Isn't this totally wrong?  Shouldn't the new cams exhaust lobes be
taller/higher to equate to the greater lift?


   Not necessarily.  What's important is not the absolute height of the
   lobe, but the difference between the radius of the lobe peak and the
   radius of the base circle of the cam.  Realize that the lobes need to
   pass through the cam bearings in the block, so it isn't physically
   possible to grind a cam with a lobe peak further from the cam centerline
   than the radius of the journal.  Instead, cam grinders will reduce the
   base circle to get the same effect.  What this means, however, is that
   pushrod length will need to be different to maintain the same rocker
   geometry.  You _will_ need adjustable pushrods or rockers at a minimum,
   and possibly different length pushrods.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:07:49 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

Kevin Meredith asked:

...TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
version (which his is) is the same as the 70.


     Kevin,

     Nope, 68-69 are the same, and 70-72 are the same.  Main difference is
     the housing.  the 68-69 housings use four tabs which stick forward
     from the gauge face and attach to the black plastic dash bezels with
     small screws which are inserted radially from the outside.  These
     gauges then must be inserted from the front of the dash pad and
     screwed in from the back.  The 70-72 gauges use tabs which are bent 90
     degrees from the housing and which screw straight to the plastic part
     of the dash from the front.  The three hole woodgrain bezel then
     attaches over all three gauges at once.

     I actually have an early tach that someone attempted to convert to a
     70 configuration by welding (poorly, I might add) tabs to the housing.

     And the correct term is TicTocTach  (no "K"s)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:16:56 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Directional wheels (was dumb question)

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:

>    Virtually every car you see today with "directional" wheels (including
>    just about every "directional" aftermarket wheel I've seen) use the same
>    wheel on both sides of the car, resulting in one side being "forward"
>    and one side being "backward".

I guess I must be dumb, however, I am not familiar with directional wheels.
Do cars have rear wheels which move instead of being stationary?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:25:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: dumber question

I can comprehend directional tires, but, other than some scheme like sucking
heat from the brakes (Padavano info), what is the point of directional wheels?

roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:19:52 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

> Try this guy, he specializes in '66-'67 Cutlii & 442s:

I have an odd question:

Why do some people use the word "Cutlii" instead of "Cutlasses" to
designate more
than one Cutlass?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:20:56 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Motor ID in VIN (was: 350 or 455?)

> You cannot tell very much about the block by the VIN. I would guess that
it is
> a 455 though. Easy way to tell is to measure across the intake manifold.
Sure you can, if you just know the VIN codes for that year. You have the
K motor, this is a 180hp 350, single exhaust.


     Just to be clear on this, GM did not start putting engine ID codes in
     the VIN until 1972.  Prior to that there was no direct way to tell the
     engine from the VIN, just circumstantial evidence (like six verses
     eight cylinders in the A-Bodies).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:54 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: dumb question

it would seem easy that if the tires are black wall on both sides you
just turn them around for the other side.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 07:24:27 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

To Kevin Meredith,

> ...TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
> version (which his is) is the same as the 70.

E-mail me if your are not going to keep the 69 tic-toc-tach.

Sorry for the bandwidth.  I didn't have Kevin's e-mail at hand.


- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:25:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: dumber question

I can comprehend directional tires, but, other than some scheme like
sucking
heat from the brakes (Padavano info), what is the point of directional
wheels?
roger hitson


     Styling.  To each his own, I guess.  I suppose that's what keeps all
     those lesser car makers in business, selling to the great
     unenlightened masses...  ;-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:25:18 -0500
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Fuel Tank Surge Tank/Vent

Hey Folks,

    I have a '69 Cutlass 'S' that has had a fuel leak that I haven't been able
to solve. The leak is on the passenger side front of the tank  I dropped the
tank to get a better looks at what was going on and found that the surge
tank/vent (little plastic dude with foam in the end) was cracked and smooshed
and basically useless.  I repaired the vent as best I could with some JB Weld,
and replaced the lines leading to it.  It worked well for about a month, but 
has
resumed its leaking.

    I would like to find a replacement surge tank for the car.  I'd also like 
to
know if anyone has any tricks for sealing the lines at the tank.  The tube ends
coming off the tank are unflared and prone to leaking, and there is no room to
fit a flaring tool.

    This thing's been driving me nuts...I can't fill the tank all the way (to
avoid leaking) and with the new 455 in there it seems like I'm at the gas
station almost every day!

    I really appreciate the help.

Thanks!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:39:08 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Nomenclature (Was Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass)

So I sez:
>
> > Try this guy, he specializes in '66-'67 Cutlii & 442s:

Chris Sparks:
>
> I have an odd question:
>
> Why do some people use the word "Cutlii" instead of "Cutlasses" to
> designate more than one Cutlass?

Well, following the rules of the English language (Rule #1, there
are *always* exceptions to the rules), some words' plurals use the
Latin form from which they evolved, especially if they sound awkward
using standard English pluralification.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                       Wow, wadda woid!

Examples:  alumni instead of alumnuses, octopi instead of octopuses
(or octopussy for that matter)... and I've heard Lexi instaed of Lexuses.

So this is perhaps why some of us say Cutlii instead of Cutlasses.
It certainly isn't because we're being wise*sses, oh no... :)



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
- ------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:08:36 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock

Many thanks.  If you know of any others I could contact, it would be
appreciated.

Kevin Meredith wrote:

> He's pretty much an A-body kinda guy but I will ask him for you.
>
> Kevin.
>
> Kevin Meredith
> Okotoks, Alberta
> 70' Vista Cruiser
> mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
> http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Spence
> Sent:   Wednesday, June 17, 1998 9:48 PM
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: 69' Tic-Tac-Tock
>
> Any for an 81 Toro, 307?  Clock, right rear interior light, air conditioning
> hoses from firewall to compressor, air conditioner compressor, Cruise
> Control
> diaphram & cable for carb, front grill, etc.
>
> Kevin Meredith wrote:
>
> > There's a gentleman here in Calgary whose got lots of olds parts: 14" and
> > 15" inch SSII wheels, some SS1's; hoods, interior parts and today we were
> > discussing a TikTacTock that he's got but we couldn't decide if the 69
> > version (which his is) is the same as the 70.  Any answers out here? He's
> > got the guages from the set as well.
> >
> > Thanks for your info in advance.
> >
> > Kevin Meredith
> > Okotoks, Alberta
> > 70' Vista Cruiser
> > mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
> > http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:09:03 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Directional wheels (was dumb question)

Chris Sparks wrote:

I guess I must be dumb, however, I am not familiar with directional wheels.
Do cars have rear wheels which move instead of being stationary?
- --
   Directional wheels are ones with curved or contoured spokes.  As I
   noted, these started when someone figured that by properly contouring
   these spokes as vanes, you could use the wheel as a cooling fan to
   extract hot air from around the brakes.  Since you probably only car
   about this when going forward, if you used the same wheels on both sides
   of the car, one side would extract the air and the other would blow it
   in.  To ensure that both sides of the car suck, mirror image right and
   left-hand wheels are required, which Chevy did on the 84 Vette.  As you
   can imagine, the tooling, warehousing, and tracking costs of having
   different right-hand and left-hand wheels is large, and thus the new
   Vettes dont't have directional wheels at all.  This style, on the other
   hand, has caught on (don't ask me why) and so you see a lot of wheels
   with curved spokes.  The brake cooling function is not implemented,
   however, so the same wheel is used on both sides of the car, one thus
   curved "forward" and one "backward".  Since it's rather difficult to
   simultaneously view both sides of the car, no one really notices.

   Joe Padavano
   padavano.joe@orbital.com

   66 442
   68 W-30
   69 H/O
   70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:27:02 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Nomenclature (Was Re: moulding trim for '67 cutlass)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

> Examples:  alumni instead of alumnuses, octopi instead of octopuses
> (or octopussy for that matter)... and I've heard Lexi instaed of Lexuses.
>
> So this is perhaps why some of us say Cutlii instead of Cutlasses.
> It certainly isn't because we're being wise*sses, oh no... :)

Well in light of this enlightening explanation (wow what a mouth full),
shouldn't
the plural of Cutlass be Cutli (instead of Cutlii) [Pronounced Cut-Lie
instead of
Cut-Lie-i or even Cut-Lie-e].   I think I might like using the word Cutlassy

[Pronounced Cut-La-See] (kind of cross between Cutlass and Classy).
Whatcha think?  :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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