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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, July 17 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1374



Two problems (one solved)
Re: water pump
Date:	Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:23:43 -0500
Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Re: Exhaust Bolts
Re: Exhaust Bolts
Re: Dumb-ass/no such thing as a 442 after 1972
Re: '62 Jetfire
UNBOUNCE: ISO '70-'72 Cutlass Convertible
UNBOUNCE: Documenting '67 4-4-2 Turnpike Cruiser
Re: juice brakes (non-mopar)
Re: Muffler recomendations
head gasket
Re: Exhaust Bolts
Re: Exhaust Bolts
Re: Lowering a  Delta
Re: head gasket
hubcaps for sale
wheel choices
Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Re: head gasket
Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Re: Lowering a  Delta
Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Loose Fan Connection?
Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: '62 Jetfire
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: Split the list, NOT
Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
convert color
convert color
Re: wheel choices
Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)
Re: convert color
Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign
Re: head gasket
Rocket Talk again...  Right here, right now
Re: Loose Fan Connection?
Re: convert color
Re: Resto Shop Needed
Looking For 64 Cutlass parts
list membership
Vacation-unsubsribe please
Re: convert color
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: water pump
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: Muffler recomendations
'78 - '80 hurst olds parts, anybody?
'72 VIN's
Re: '72 VIN's
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Rocket Talk
Re: Lowering a  Delta
Re: water pump
Re: water pump
Re: block hugger headers
RE: Your car
Conn. Olds Show
Re: UNBOUNCE: Documenting '67 4-4-2 Turnpike Cruiser
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
Re: water pump
RE: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>> - solution
Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:05:02 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Two problems (one solved)

Thanks to those who replied to my questions:
1) whirring noise turned out to be the water pump, not the alternator
2) Brake pedal travel problem was not a leak in the seals. Turned out I needed
a new master cylinder. Only $60 and considering the alternatives, guess I was
lucky.
Bruce

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:23:19 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

I know! I know!
On my '75 the heater hoses go to the control valve screwed into the back of
the manifold and the other goes to the radiator. The second hose connection
on my water pump is capped off. System works perfectly.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: water pump


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>Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:59:10 EDT
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: water pump
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>
>In a message dated 98-07-16 15:24:26 EDT, you write:
>
><< Can't see how you'd work
> with just one, unless you're running without a heater.  >>
>
>Greg,
>Thanks for the reply.  I definitely have a heater and  a/c and have no idea
>why only one hose is necessary. I know there are some others on this list
with
>my same car. Perhaps they have that answer.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:23:43 -0500
From: Illini Pipeline <bfoley@ezl.com>
Subject: Date:	Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:23:43 -0500

unsubscribe bfoley@ezl.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:39:47 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

Hello All!

Someone stole the hood ornament off my '79 H/O last year.  Does anyone know
where I can get another one?  GM discontinued them.  If I remember right it
is unique to the '79 H/O and maybe the '80 442.  It was black and gold with
Calais written on it.  Looked kind of like a tree or something.

Similar to this??
 ______
 | \  \|/   |
 |   \ |  / |
 | \  \|/  /|
 |   \ | /  |
 |Calais|
 \          /
  \____/

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:37:19 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

Al

        We use stainless all the time. Put a locking washer on it like the
originals and after they heat up tighten again. You should have no problems.

Jim Chermack

At 10:39 AM 7/16/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Isn't interesting how few posts there are since most folks are at the
>Nationals.. A good reason NOT to split the list.
>
>Does anyone know the bolt size/thread size for exhaust manifold bolts?
>The stainless I am using keep loosening so I thought I would try Stage 8
>locking bolts but forget to bring a sample with me today..
>
>
>
>Al Varhus
>Columbus, Ohio
>"79 Cutlass Modified (455/THM400/12bolt)
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
>Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>  Gem City Rockets
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:43 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

List,
        The company I work for makes all metal self locking bolts. The
first three threads are true but the next three are out of proper pitch.
We make these up on the fly by smacking the blot with a cold chisel
and ball peen hammer. Works well............

            Just my thoughts
            The General

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:14:12 -0400
From: "pc" <squaleferd@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb-ass/no such thing as a 442 after 1972

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:30:13 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '62 Jetfire

In a message dated 98-07-16 08:57:31 EDT, you write:

<<  turbocharged aluminum 215 engines, complete with exhaust manifolds, >>

As I would definately consider that a *FIND*, I am afraid that the cost
*should* be relatively high (if it were mine, of course), especially if it
runs.
And if it came with the correct transmission!

I would however caution against buying the exh manifolds and removing them
from the block.
I have heard that Exh. manifolds can "grow" (ie warp) with the engine and that
a set from one block sometimes will not quite bolt up to an identical block
because of one hole slightly off or something.
Now I do not know how reliable that info is, I only mention it in case it is
true.

I am sure you do not want to put extra holes in a 215 block or the correct
manifolds.....

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:20:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO '70-'72 Cutlass Convertible

Reply to CPEARLPARK@aol.com if you have a car on the market...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<CPEARLPARK@aol.com>

Looking for the right 70-72 Cutlass or 442 Convertible. Automatic, white
interior in the New England area.  Must be excellent and ready to treat as my
pride and joy. Please help. Thanks a lot.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:23:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Documenting '67 4-4-2 Turnpike Cruiser

Not on the list; reply to cz4n4w@powertrain.mpg.gm.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jack Woodward <cz4n4w@powertrain.mpg.gm.com>
Cc:	eds_desk@iquest.net
Subject: 1967 Cutlass   VIN 338177M279933

Hello.
I'm trying to learn if this Cutlass was built from Oldsmobile as a
4-4-2.
It currently has a 2-bbl V-8 engine, I believe it is a 400 c.i., and has
an auto trans. with shifter on the column.  It has dual exhaust with the
chrome outlets that look like the originals, and has several 4-4-2
badges in various locations on the body.  It also has the 4-4-2 hood
with louvers.

1. Were there ever any 4-4-2's built with bench seats and an auto on the
column?
2. Were there ever any 4-4-2's built with  a 400 w/2-bbl carb?
3. How can I get a "build manifest" sheet from Oldsmobile?  I've
contacted the Oldsmobile History Center in Lansing, and they do not have
build sheets back that far.

On the air cleaner are the words  "Climate Controlled Combustion".  It
has twin air intake snorkels.
I've been told that was a part of a "highway cruiser package", but it is
possible that this car has had many parts swapped around by previous
owners.  It has 4-4-2 badges, but they appear to have been attached to
the body with adhesive.  How were the 4-4-2 badges originally attached
to the body?
This car also has factory A/C

My E-mail is    cz4n4w@powertrain.mpg.gm.com

Please send a copy of your response to    eds_desk@iquest.net   and to
me.

Thank you!
Jack Woodward

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:29:43 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: juice brakes (non-mopar)

not to difficult but too involved to explain in this forum basically you
need the brake parts  your then going to have to do some fab work to adapt
the backing plates to your spindels  then your going to need adapter
bearings for the hub all of this plus the backing plates for the rear drums
dont forget the proportioning valve then the pedal assembly and master
cylinder this isnt to tough if you want to be specific send mail privately
and I'll try to help as much as l can...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: mml@mopar.tamu.edu <mml@mopar.tamu.edu>
Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:03 AM
Subject: juice brakes (non-mopar)


>Does anyone here know about putting juice brakes onto an old i beam
>axle?  The '25 Chevy I'm looking at doesn't have front brakes, so I want
>to but the brakes from an old buick electra parts car I have onto it.
>Anyone have any experience in the area or know anyone I could ask?  Oh I
>wanted to change the back brakes too.
>
>Ed
>
>PS.  The buick has drum brakes, and its from the 70s - not sure what year.
>

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:49:07 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

David L Wyatt wrote:
>
> The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are rattling.
> Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
> other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I 
would
> like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.  One year
> and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want something
> fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.

3 chamber Flowmasters and 2.5" exhaust is pretty quiet until you put
your leg in it. Trust me! It's also guaranteed that it won't sound like
a Wusstang, either. All the 5.slows and the 305 Chubby's sound pretty
much the same with Flowmasters, but an Olds of a bigger cid sound way
differents, and tons meaner, too!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:52:05 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: head gasket

just bought an 82 cutlass supreme paid $200  body in mint condition little
rust on rear bumper but have one on another car 67,000 miles v-6 3.8 ltr  the
guy told me it had a blown head gasket but the oil is fine run for two hours
the other day no smoke didnot over heat or anything I think I am going to
throw a bottle of that barsleak stuff never used it before     anyone have any
ideas on what else I should check before just driving it the way it is and not
worring about the gasket
           thanks for any help
                 Rich    81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:50:07 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

not by choice but they were there originally so gotta keep em' also use the
flat washer under each bolt but I use stainless with stainless lockwasher
they dont come out unless you want them to ...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts


>In a message dated 98-07-16 11:50:22 EDT, you write:
>
><< Are you using the  steel things (have no idea what Olds calls them) that
> go between two of the manifold bolts and bend over the hex head?
>  >>
>
> I believe they are called "French Locks"     Dorian

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:50:12 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

List,

                as an amendment to my previous post, my company makes the
all metal self locking bolts en mass. When "we" (the mechanics I work with)
need one we do not have, we modify a
standard bolt to make it self locking...............

        The General

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:01:53 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lowering a  Delta

ok everyone says cut except the mechanic I talked to who said it would just
ruin the springs although he might just want me  to let him do it so I can pay
alot more who knows this weekend I'm gonna try to fit some 255/60 15's on the
front of my car if they fit good if they don't I guess i go with the 225 if
they do fit I might for some sick reason don't know what yet put bigger tires
in back like 265's or if anyone know what the biggest tire that coud fit on
the front of an 84 delta 88 also where could i get a high performance sway bar
so instead of trying to make a corner at 40 and driving through a house i can
at least just miss it thats the only place my chevy friends can do better is
making a corner one being an 81 camaro the other an 84 monte going straight
they don't have a chance over an oldsmobiles tourqe but when we get to the
corner they turn my car just swerves a little except when the wheels are
spinning

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:08:06 -0700
From: Eric Spence <ericsp@mail.ocis.net>
Subject: Re: head gasket

I would check the anti freeze.  If the head gasket is gone, it will go thought 
a
lot of it.

RICH6986@aol.com wrote:

> guy told me it had a blown head gasket but the oil is fine run for two hours
> the other day no smoke didnot over heat or anything I think I am going to
>

Rad shops do not recommend Bars as it plugs the rest of the rad.

> throw a bottle of that barsleak stuff never used it before     anyone have 
any
> ideas on what else I should check before just driving it the way it is and 
not
> worring about the gasket
>            thanks for any help
>                  Rich    81,82,85 cutlass supreme



- --
Eric Spence
ericsp@mail.ocis.net
Kamloops, BC, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:18:57 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: hubcaps for sale

i have 2 hubcaps ,from a 1980 delta 88,or 98 in good shape.
if anybody needs thame drop me a line.

thanks
     Ryan



riviera72sss@hotmail.com

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           /   |
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         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:35:37 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: wheel choices

has anyone seen or tried putting stock steel wheels painted same color as
the car with poor man caps in the center on a 1970-1972 442 i want to put
15inch wheels on my 442 and the ss1 wheels are 14's just kinda wondering
what it would look like all so what would my stock wheels be worth ?
T.I.A.
Rick
1972 442
flame orange

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:14:21 -0400
From: "Laurence S. Simpson, D.D.S." <LaurenceSimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

Try Originality Plus of California (909) 945-5466.  There not cheap, but I
have gotten hard to get parts from them before.  Good Luck!

Laurence Simpson
HOCA #514
1988 H/O Advisor
1969, 1979, 1988 Hurst/Olds

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile Digest' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 5:37 PM
Subject: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament


Hello All!

Someone stole the hood ornament off my '79 H/O last year.  Does anyone know
where I can get another one?  GM discontinued them.  If I remember right it
is unique to the '79 H/O and maybe the '80 442.  It was black and gold with
Calais written on it.  Looked kind of like a tree or something.

Similar to this??
______
| \  \|/   |
|   \ |  / |
| \  \|/  /|
|   \ | /  |
|Calais|
\          /
  \____/

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:40:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: head gasket

> just bought an 82 cutlass supreme paid $200  body in mint condition little
> rust on rear bumper but have one on another car 67,000 miles v-6 3.8 ltr  the
> guy told me it had a blown head gasket but the oil is fine run for two hours
> the other day no smoke didnot over heat or anything I think I am going to
> throw a bottle of that barsleak stuff never used it before     anyone have 
any
> ideas on what else I should check before just driving it the way it is and 
not
> worring about the gasket

I thought billowing smoke was a trademark of a blown head gasket?  At
least that's what happened with Grey Mine.  Is it possible to have a
gasket blow with no apparent symptoms?  If so, then what causes smoke
sometimes and sometimes not?

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:44:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

> Someone stole the hood ornament off my '79 H/O last year.  Does anyone know
> where I can get another one?  GM discontinued them.  If I remember right it
> is unique to the '79 H/O and maybe the '80 442.  It was black and gold with
> Calais written on it.  Looked kind of like a tree or something.

It's a Calais emblem; they came in both red and black, depending on the
year.  They made the Calais as recently as '89, if I'm not mistaken; you
might try asking dealers simply for Calais emblems as opposed to HO
emblems (they're easily confused -- at least at the dealership here in
Gainesville).  ;)

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:43:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Lowering a  Delta

On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 HOFFAX181@aol.com wrote:
> the front of an 84 delta 88 also where could i get a high performance sway 
bar
> so instead of trying to make a corner at 40 and driving through a house i can
> at least just miss it thats the only place my chevy friends can do better is
> making a corner one being an 81 camaro the other an 84 monte going straight
> they don't have a chance over an oldsmobiles tourqe but when we get to the
> corner they turn my car just swerves a little except when the wheels are
> spinning

Hehehe... :)

What you need to do is find a Ch*vy with the police package or the F41
option in a junkyard. It has a nice think front swaybar (1 1/4" or
thereabouts) plus the rear one if you don't already have one. With those
tires it'll corner like it's on rails.

If you find one make sure you get the 2 frame brackets in front and the
lower control arm brackets (the bar mounts to them) for the back. New
front bushings and end links and you're in business...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:14:19 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

This was asked of me today at work and I thought I'd post this question.
The answer sounds pretty far out and unbelievable, but what do you guys
think?

> A complaint was received by a major car manufacturer: "This is the
> second time I have written you, and I don't blame you for not
> answering me, because I kind of sounded crazy, but it is a fact that
> we have a tradition in our family of ice cream for dessert after
> dinner each night. But the kind of ice cream varies so, every night,
> after we've eaten, the whole family votes on which kind of ice cream
> we should have and I drive down to the store to get it.  It's also a
> fact that I recently purchased a new car and since then my trips to
> the store have created a problem. You see, every time I buy vanilla
> ice cream, when I start back from the store my car won't start. If I
> get any other kind of ice cream, the car starts just fine. I want you
> to know I'm serious about this question, no matter how silly it
> sounds: 'What is there about your car that makes it not start when I
> get vanilla ice cream, and easy to start whenever get any other
> kind?'"
>
> The President of the car company was understandably skeptical about
> the letter, but sent an engineer to check it out anyway.
>
> He had arranged to meet the man just after dinner time, so the two
> hopped into the car and drove to the ice cream store. It was vanilla
> ice cream that night and, sure enough, after they came back to the
> car, it wouldn't start.
>
> The engineer returned for three more nights. The first night, the man
> got chocolate. The car started. The second night, he got strawberry.
> The car started. The third night he ordered vanilla. The car failed to
> start.
>
> Now the engineer, being a logical man, refused to believe that this
> man's car was allergic to vanilla ice cream. He arranged, therefore,
> to continue his visits for as long as it took to solve the problem.
> And toward this end he began to take notes: he jotted down all sorts
> of data, time of day, type of gas used, time to drive back and forth,
> etc.
>
> In a short time, he had a clue: the man took less time to buy vanilla
> than any other flavor. Why? The answer was in the layout of the store.
> Vanilla, being the most popular flavor, was in a separate case at the
> front of the store for quick pickup. All the other flavors were kept
> in the back of the store at a different counter where it took
> considerably longer to find the flavor and get checked out.
>
> Now the question for the engineer was why the car wouldn't start when
> it took less time. Once time became the problem -- not the vanilla ice
> cream -- the engineer quickly came up with the answer:

Anyone have any thoughts?

If no one can get the answer, I'll post it and see if it sounds reasonable.

Thanks for the bandwidth...oh, and *please*, if anyone "replies" and guesses
at the answer,

SNIP THE RIDDLE!  PLEASE!

Don't post the whole thing in your reply!

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:11:37 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Loose Fan Connection?

List, my HVAC fan seems to be inconsistently inoperational.  Sometimes, I
turn on the A/C or vent (or any of the selections) and I don't get any fan
at all, regardless of the speed setting.  Sometimes, I can turn the system
off and on and the fan will work.  But, not always.  Today, I didn't have
anything but the breeze from the open windows...  :-)

And it's frustrating because if I turn the A/C on in hot weather (like
today...) the compressor runs, but I get no cool air because the fan isn't
running!  Is there a common connection that often comes loose?  It worked
going to work today, but not coming home.  And, this happened last week,
too, so I don't think it's a fuse.

Help, please!  Thanks.

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:49:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

I'm going through something similar right now. My Cutlass has 14x6 SSIIs
on it, nice and original, but they sure don't fill the wheel wells very
well. The other week I borrowed a 14x7 SSI from my buddy and put it on
just for fun. It looked fantastic. I always liked the look of the SSI
better anyway, so now I'm thinking I might like to make a change someday.

What I would *really* like, since it wouldn't be original if I made the
switch anyway, is a set of 14x7 all-chrome SSIs like they offered in '71
(and maybe '72 also?). I have seen one set of these and they look
fabulous. I imagine they are fairly rare since they were only offered a
short time. Don't suppose anyone knows the whereabouts of a set?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:21:14 -0400
From: J Blackwood <blkwdlab@cinti.net>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

Hot start problem due to excess heat at the carb, ro vaporlock?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:25:19 -0400
From: J Blackwood <blkwdlab@cinti.net>
Subject: Re: '62 Jetfire

Thanks for the reply, I was sorta looking for some kind of ballpark figure
though. Let's say the engine is freshly rebuilt, and the manifolds are the
originals, but no transmission.

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-16 08:57:31 EDT, you write:
>
> <<  turbocharged aluminum 215 engines, complete with exhaust manifolds, >>
>
> As I would definately consider that a *FIND*, I am afraid that the cost
> *should* be relatively high (if it were mine, of course), especially if it
> runs.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:21:05 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

The guy didn't have a large enough battery. Follow this logic........Starter
basically overheated which causes a greater resistance (electrical)
therefore the starter needed more current to turn over the motor. The weak
or undersized battery couldn't handle the extra load. When the car sat and
cooled the starter would draw the normal amount of current and the battery
could handle that.

How's that sound?
Randy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:32:53 -0700
From: Rick <truric@imag.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

 14x7 all-chrome SSIs like they offered in '71
>(and maybe '72 also?). I have seen one set of these and they look
>fabulous. I imagine they are fairly rare since they were only offered a
>short time. Don't suppose anyone knows the whereabouts of a set?
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>

sorry greg can't help you with the all chrome wheels mine are the chrome
painted black in the insets

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:42:54 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Split the list, NOT

>Well I usually don't respond to the type of message --- But


Nor do I. And I'm breaking my own rule about "me too"-ing.
>
>This is an OLDS list.  <snip>

You bet. And some discussions span ALL years and body styles. I've learned
carb stuff, cam stuff, tire & wheel stuff and general repair stuff from
people on this list who wouldn't be in my "category" should the list split.
Not seeing those posts in the future would truly suck.

Just came back after 4 days. Almost 400 messages awaited me. After reading
and deleting a hundred or two, something hiccuped and now I have duplicates
of everything. Bummer.

Oh well, only 700 or so left.....

drc

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:38:04 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

In a message dated 98-07-16 17:38:23 EDT, you write:

<< Hello All!

 Someone stole the hood ornament off my '79 H/O last year.  Does anyone know
 where I can get another one?  GM discontinued them.  If I remember right it
 is unique to the '79 H/O and maybe the '80 442.  It was black and gold with
 Calais written on it.  Looked kind of like a tree or something.
  >>

The %$#@! kids steal ALL the Oldsmobile hood ornaments.  I lost 'em on my 77
Cutlass, 79 Cutlass, and 78 Ninety-Eight.  Guess they make necklaces out of
them or some such nonsense.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:41:09 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

Brian Lorway wrote:
>
> Story Oldsmobile Nissan
> 3165 East Michigan Avenue, Lansing, MI 48912  (517) 351-0400
> fax: (517) 351-0099
>
> Sold both of my cars when new.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
> 1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
> 1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
> 1987 Grand National
> OCA # 028157
> www.wmachines.com
I am going to write to story oldsmobile and see what they say
do you know the address of the other dealership?
thanks everyone for your help
I would like to get a dealer logo to put on my trunk
just to make it original
dave
71 cutlass supreme convertible

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:43:01 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: convert color

I need to put a new top on my cutlass supreme convertible
It is white now
what do you think looks better
black or white top?
just looking for opinions
I am not sure what you look better
white is hard to keep clean
dave

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:44:13 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: convert color

I forgot to mention the color of the car is dark green white
bench seat.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:53:24 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: wheel choices

Hi Guy's.....I put 15 x 7 SSII's on mine with TA's.  Have had no turning
problems or rubbing.  Fills out the wheel openings real well.  Looks
like they belong....but I kept my 14" SSII's in case I want to get
original.

Wayne Schwartz
69 442 Convertible

Rick wrote:
>
> has anyone seen or tried putting stock steel wheels painted same color as
> the car with poor man caps in the center on a 1970-1972 442 i want to put
> 15inch wheels on my 442 and the ss1 wheels are 14's just kinda wondering
> what it would look like all so what would my stock wheels be worth ?
> T.I.A.
> Rick
> 1972 442
> flame orange

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:46:08 EDT
From: <Sx455@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIs (was: wheel choices)

specialty wheel and stockton wheel sell these wheels new . they are available
in 14x6-7 or8 and also 15 inch sizes from 6inch on up. i called and got prices
and pictures ,the 15x7s i wanted were 130.00 us dollars each i didnt price any
14s. a friend of mine has a set of 14x7s on his 70 cs and they do look great
and for the most part original. sx455

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:56:40 EDT
From: <JDess@aol.com>
Subject: Re: convert color

hi,
  With a dark green car and white interior, I vote for a white top.
   Joe Dessel

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:37:32 EDT
From: <Valpal4@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer ship sign

hey guys,
i have a '66 olds cutlass convertible. i'm looking to recover the front
buckets. any good sources? should i bother doing it myself or do the pros do a
much better job?
also i have a column shift but i'd like to put a console in. any suggestions?
thanks,
ron
'66 ocean mist cutlass convertible 330-4bbl auto.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:28 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: head gasket

If you are worried about a leak and don't want to use Bars just through
in a few tablespoons of ground black pepper. Lasts a long time.

just my .02 cents

Mark Hahn
75D88C

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:46:55 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk again...  Right here, right now

Need I say more?  :)
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:50:38 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Loose Fan Connection?

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> List, my HVAC fan seems to be inconsistently inoperational.  Sometimes, I
> turn on the A/C or vent (or any of the selections) and I don't get any fan
> at all, regardless of the speed setting.  Sometimes, I can turn the system
> off and on and the fan will work.  But, not always.  Today, I didn't have
> anything but the breeze from the open windows...  :-)
>
> And it's frustrating because if I turn the A/C on in hot weather (like
> today...) the compressor runs, but I get no cool air because the fan isn't
> running!  Is there a common connection that often comes loose?  It worked
> going to work today, but not coming home.  And, this happened last week,
> too, so I don't think it's a fuse.
>
> Help, please!  Thanks.
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/
Jason,
  Check your ground connection.  There is a seperate lead for the ground
that connects to the blower motor case.  On my old '82 wagon, this
connector had actually melted because of the huge resistance that had
built up in the connector because of oxidation/corrosion.
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:00:44 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: convert color

Dave:

I saw a '74 Delta 88 Conv. the other day and the top was gold, same as
the body color. Very nice!!

Mark Hahn
75D88C

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:07:35 EDT
From: <MMBJL@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Resto Shop Needed

where are you?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:46:31 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: Looking For 64 Cutlass parts

any parts for a 64 cutlass, please let me know.thank you.
 joe

       64 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:48:20 EDT
From: <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
Subject: list membership

sign me up

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:00:10 EDT
From: <DKlauber@aol.com>
Subject: Vacation-unsubsribe please

going on vacation for a few days so please unsubsribe me.  Will try to get
hooked up while gone. Thanks David

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:47:04 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: convert color

JDess@aol.com wrote:
>
> hi,
>   With a dark green car and white interior, I vote for a white top.
>    Joe Dessel

My dad used to have a Midnight Blue 73 Delta 88 convert with white
leather and a white top.  It was the sh*t no question about it! Stick
with white  :)

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:54:13 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

I know this one from personal experience....If indeed the car was an
Oldsmobile, (this may be true with any other car as well)  The starter
gets hot and you you have to let it sit for about 20-30 mins before
it'll kick over again.  The size of the battery doesn't solve the
problem necessarily, though.  I have an 1100cca battery in my 67
Cutlass, and it still happens to me on occasion.  In my case it's due to
the fact that my 330 runs so hot since being bored out .030 over.  My
mechanic keeps telling me that fashioning some sort of a heat shield for
the starter might work....

art

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:37:09 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

Ed,

That's the way the water hoses are typically routed on a C-word type engine.
I bet this was a carryover from one of those, even though this was probably
the original engine.  This might have made it easier on the assembly line
since they needed that extra fitting on the radiator for those C-word cars.
I've seen these too, installed along with a W/P that didn't have the outlet on
it for the heater.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:42:49 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

In a message dated 98-07-17 00:34:00 EDT, you write:

<<  My
 mechanic keeps telling me that fashioning some sort of a heat shield for
 the starter might work.... >>

     They didn't use shields on them back then? My 403 had one
factory..nothing elaborate, but I left it on, and I haven't really run into
any problems yet...wiring down there is the only thing I HAD a problem with.
Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:59:16 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

In a message dated 98-07-17 00:33:27 EDT, you write:

<< I have an 1100cca battery in my 67
 Cutlass, and it still happens to me on occasion.  In my case it's due to
 the fact that my 330 runs so hot since being bored out .030 over.  >>
what size battery cables do you have?  my dads '67 442 with a 455 wouldnt
start up while it was hot because the battery cables were off of a 330
cutlass.  we got some for a big diesel truck, (1gage) and the car starts just
fine now.  if you have cables smaller than 4 gage, id check them, too.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:05:18 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Muffler recomendations

In a message dated 98-07-16 18:46:43 EDT, you write:

<< All the 5.slows and the 305 Chubby's sound pretty
 much the same with Flowmasters, but an Olds of a bigger cid sound way
 differents, and tons meaner, too! >>

heh, i have the 2 chamber flowmasters, headers, and 2.5" pipes on my '78
cutlass with a 355 olds and it kills all the other cars around here soundwise!
all the camaro and mustang guys always look at my car real funny and gawk.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:15:50 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: '78 - '80 hurst olds parts, anybody?

is there any special parts that were on on of these h/os that werent on any
other cutlass or h/o?  i know the shifter, for one, was different, but what
else?  also, if anyone has any of these parts, might you be interested in
selling them?  need some goodies for my '78.    thanks,
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:46:11 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '72 VIN's

The '72 I just bought has a VIN that starts out 3J - and a VC someone asked
me about starts out 3K.  What are the J & K designations- I mean, where
were they produced?  Isn't that what the 2nd digit corresponds to?  I can
figure out the rest of the VIN's pretty much, but was curious what this
translates into.  If this isn't the build location, then what letter code
tells me that?

Thanks in advance -


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC 1/2 ton (the youngster)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:52:31 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '72 VIN's

>  What are the J & K designations-

J=Cutlass Supreme
K=Vista Cruiser

> If this isn't the build location, then what letter code tells me that?

7th digit is plant code

M=Lansing, MI
Z=Freemont,CA
G=Framington, MA
R=Arlington, TX

Randy

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:05:21 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

> The size of the battery doesn't solve the problem necessarily,

It treats a symptom.  But I'll gaurantee that if you hook up two 1000 cca
batteries in parallel you'll have enough current to start your car no matter
how hot the starter is. And you can leave your lights on and all the other
accesories for hours and you won't have to worry a dead battery.

For those not familiar with the term parallel.... voltage will,remain the
same and amperage will be the sum of the two batteries. 12v  & 2000a
Connection is + to + and - to neg-

If you want a 24v system (wouldn't know why) hook up in series + to - to +
to - (then stand back and watch your headlights and the rest of your
electronics fry) Should have added  this to the revenge thread.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:20:03 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Nother decent night of chatting.  Had probably a dozen pop in and out.  Ran
about another 4 hours.  Not bad.  I posted a ~tentative~ timeslot on the page,
just to see what happens.  Thursday evenings, about 8PM, Mountain time work?
Little late for the Eastern folks, I know.  Whenever possible, I'll pop in
earlier, but hard to say.

Anyway, thanks all for coming in!  Later...

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:38:08 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Lowering a  Delta

Like I told you befoure that my 255s are good up front.  I don't think you
will have much luck with anything wider couse it will rub against the
steering.  As for the handling, it has been mentioned a Chev with a F41.
You can also find a  Delta with F41 (I have one).  At the junk yard, look
under, if you see a sway bar in the back, its F41.  Go with 255a up front
and if you will buy a pair of tires, get 265s or 275s for back, if they fit
(should).  Then, spend $50 bucks and get polyurithane bushings and endliks
for front.   This will help cornering and ride.  But if your car really
sags in corners, swap over the F-41, get the stiffest shocks you can (like
overloaders with coil on them) and get Heavy Duty springs (try cutting with
stock until you get a desired hight, then when you buy new coils, you don't
have to experiment with them).  With this and big tires, it'l corner great
(mine does) almost totally flat.  Now that I got a 455/TH400 the wheight of
the front changed I will see how it handles.  Good luck.  Aren't Deltas
great.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
> From: HOFFAX181@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Lowering a  Delta
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 6:01 PM
>
> ok everyone says cut except the mechanic I talked to who said it would
just
> ruin the springs although he might just want me  to let him do it so I
can pay
> alot more who knows this weekend I'm gonna try to fit some 255/60 15's on
the
> front of my car if they fit good if they don't I guess i go with the 225
if
> they do fit I might for some sick reason don't know what yet put bigger
tires
> in back like 265's or if anyone know what the biggest tire that coud fit
on
> the front of an 84 delta 88 also where could i get a high performance
sway bar
> so instead of trying to make a corner at 40 and driving through a house i
can
> at least just miss it thats the only place my chevy friends can do better
is
> making a corner one being an 81 camaro the other an 84 monte going
straight
> they don't have a chance over an oldsmobiles tourqe but when we get to
the
> corner they turn my car just swerves a little except when the wheels are
> spinning

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:43:34 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

As far as I know, all Olds water pumps (307/350/455) are the same.  Some
cars used the second hose to run it to the heater-core. Your heater-core is
fed from the rad. If you have a problem blocking it off, just hose the
second hole to the heater-core and plug off the rad with the plug.  That is
what was done on my ''76 Delta with 455 and it worked for 10 yrs. or so.
Igor.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Cc: 'JonKrisInc@aol.com'
> Subject: RE: water pump
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:44 PM
>
> Trac Auto should have one for you.  I believe the name mbg or something
like
> that. Email me at home and when I get there I will look at mine to make
sure
> of the name.
>
> Do you have a Trac Auto by you
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	JonKrisInc@aol.com [SMTP:JonKrisInc@aol.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:34 PM
> > To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject:	water pump
> >
> > Does anyone know the  part number for a water pump for a 75 Delta 88
350
> > with
> > Air conditioning, and if it's available from a dealer or somewhere? The
> > new
> > water pumps have places for TWO hoses. My car only needs one. When I
use
> > the
> > rubber nipple to block the other hole, it invariably breaks spewing
> > coolant
> > all over. Rebuilts are available in auto parts stores, but they never
last
> > too
> > long.
> > Tia
> > Bruce
> > 75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:45:07 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

Greg,
some cars fed their heater from the rad.  There was a small hole on the top
of the rad so the coolant went straight from rad to heater.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: water pump
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:52 PM
>
> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
> > water pumps have places for TWO hoses. My car only needs one. When I
use the
> > rubber nipple to block the other hole, it invariably breaks spewing
coolant
> > all over. Rebuilts are available in auto parts stores, but they never
last too
> > long.
>
> 2 hoses? You mean 2 heater-type hoses? I don't see how you could only
need
> one. Every Olds like this I've ever seen uses one hose connection for the
> heater, the other for the thermostat bypass hose. Can't see how you'd
work
> with just one, unless you're running without a heater.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:49:25 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: block hugger headers

I asked about them at my local perf. parts store for my 455, and the guy
said to me "put a smallblock chevy into it and then we can get them".  I
told him to go screw himself and then, he tried to comeback by saying that
he was just joking ( I don't think so).  Anyways, he said they are only
made for small block Chevys, so If someone finds them for olds, let me
know.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic, UofC
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400, 255/60/15 BFG, 3.23 limited slip)
1981 98 Regency (every option, 307/200r4/propane)
1976 Delta 88 (now parts car, was 455)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360, RVcam, 4:10 gears, tire smoker, king off the line)
1995 Intrepid (3.3L, dads car, okay, but no Delta)

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> From: Jon442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: block hugger headers
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:36 PM
>
> Do they even make block hugger headers for an Olds??
>
> Jon

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:06:59 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: Your car

	erik wrote:
	>could you  break down those production "codes" concerning your '79
H/O
	>("...430 TQ ZZ4 H.O. chevy...)

'87 Buick Grand National T-Tops
Purchased stock 2 years ago
TE-44 Stage 4 turbo (850 cfm - stock is 550 cfm) with adjustable waste gate
40 pound fuel injectors
Modified stock air to air intercooler with ported 2 1/2" Dutweiller knecks
and paint removed from fins
Applied Technologies Hydraulic Cam with 207/198 at .050 duration .446/.415
lift
Double roller timing chain
High Volume Oil Pump
Jay Carter Custom PROM Chip for car
Ported Stock Ceramic Coated Headers and cross over pipe
Applied Technologies 2 1/2" Stainless Steel CAT back Duel Exhaust System
with Stainless Steel straight through Pit Bull mufflers (copy of Dyno Max
Ultra Flows)
Terry Houston 3" Down Pipe from Turbo.  Allows removal of turbo exhaust
elbow.
3" Test pipe with exhaust dump
Applied Technologies ram air system with cyclops air dam under bumper 14"
K&N filter
Ported heads with 1.77" Stainless steel intake and 1.50" stainless steel
exhaust valves
Chrome Intercooler Up-pipe with NGK sneeze valve
Chrome mass air pipe
Bowling Green customs adjustable fuel regulator with fuel rail pressure
gauge
Bowling Green customs High volume fuel pump
Pinion snubber
486 Gateway laptop with Turbo Link software and boost sensing hardware
Turbo 200-4R transmission with shift kit, 2,500 stall convertor, trans
cooler
8 1/2" 3.42 gear posi rear end
160 thermostat
Throttle body coolant lines blocked off
K&N valve cover breather kit

'79 Hurst Olds T-Tops White and Gold
Purchased stock 5 years ago
Chevy Perfomance Parts 350 cubic inch ZZ4 High Output Create Engine
GM Performance Off Road Roller Cam with 234/242 at .050 duration .539/.558
lift
400 horse power/430 pounds foot of torque
Hedman Headers
2 1/4" true duel exhaust with 2 1/2" Dyno Max mufflers exit behind rear
wheel like stock
(Going to true duel 3" exhaust soon)
3310 750 cfm Holley Carb with vaccum secondaries
110 gallon per hour mechanical Holley fuel pump
Accel HEI coil and module
Chrome Oldsmobile air cleaner with K&N filter
Turbo 350 transmission with shift kit, hardened gears, and transmission
cooler
9 1/2" 2,500 stall convertor
3.73 rear end gears with posi

'86 Cutlass Ciera 4-door 2 tone brown
Daily Driver
Major dents from surviving a tornado
Nick named "The Turd-Box"
Bumper stickers read "Poverty Is Owning A Race Car" & "Happiness Is A Low
E.T."

Other nick names is The Good ('79 White Hurst Olds) The Bad ('87 Black GN)
and The Ugly ('86 Cutlass Ciera)

My mIRC name is ROCKN6.  I can be found mostly on #BuickGN.  I am a member
of the GN/T-Type Digest also.  (By the way my GN E.T. is very old.  Current
E.T. is unknown.  Same with the Hurst.  Haven't been to the track or tried
my G-Tech Performance computer for a while)

I think that's most of it.  There probably is some stuff I forgot.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
				 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test
Pipe, ATR Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:08:46 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Conn. Olds Show

As a reminder, the New England Olds Club is hosting their 2nd Annual
Oldsmobile Car Show on Sunday, July 26th at Alderman Oldsmobile dealership
on Rte 5, Meriden Conn.

Should be lots of pretty cars there. Trophies in 14 classes. Enter your baby
or just come to drool & slobber (NOT on the cars tho). Bring a camera.

See ya there.

drc

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:47:41 EDT
From: <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Documenting '67 4-4-2 Turnpike Cruiser

In a message dated 7/16/98 6:40:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<
 1. Were there ever any 4-4-2's built with bench seats and an auto on the
 column?   >>
Yep, I have 1, its a post too!!
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:20:49 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

Good tip...I'll give that a try...

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-17 00:33:27 EDT, you write:
>
> << I have an 1100cca battery in my 67
>  Cutlass, and it still happens to me on occasion.  In my case it's due to
>  the fact that my 330 runs so hot since being bored out .030 over.  >>
> what size battery cables do you have?  my dads '67 442 with a 455 wouldnt
> start up while it was hot because the battery cables were off of a 330
> cutlass.  we got some for a big diesel truck, (1gage) and the car starts just
> fine now.  if you have cables smaller than 4 gage, id check them, too.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:51:07 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: water pump

In a message dated 98-07-16 17:25:44 EDT, you write:

<< On my '75 the heater hoses go to the control valve screwed into the back of
 the manifold and the other goes to the radiator. The second hose connection
 on my water pump is capped off. System works perfectly. >>

Got the scoop on the water pump. Gm used to make a water pump with ONE hose
outlet but changed to a TWO design to accomodate more oldses and replaced the
part number with a new one. Gm's price is twice that of NAPA but gives you a
"freeze Plug" instead of a rubber nipple to cap off the second fitting. I
opted to keep my car all GM.
Thanks to all those who helped.
Bruce

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:53:37 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>> - solution

Simple, the solution to the problem is move all the flavours of ice cream to
the front of the store. Therefore it will take the same amount of time to
pickup all the rest of the flavours as it takes to pick up vanilla. Hence
the car doesn't have enough time to not start again.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jason Adcock [SMTP:rocketolds@vt.edu]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:14 PM
> To:	Oldsmobile E-Mail List
> Subject:	Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>
>
	[Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]]
	Vanilla riddle

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:11:12 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Car Humor (Riddle) <<Long>>

> This was asked of me today at work and I thought I'd post this question.
> The answer sounds pretty far out and unbelievable, but what do you guys
> think?

<The Big Snip-A-Roonee>

> > 'What is there about your car that makes it not start when I
> > get vanilla ice cream, and easy to start whenever get any other
> > kind?'"

<A Littler Snip-A-Roonee>

> > Now the question for the engineer was why the car wouldn't start when
> > it took less time. Once time became the problem -- not the vanilla ice
> > cream -- the engineer quickly came up with the answer:
>
> Anyone have any thoughts?

Well, the answer I heard given by Tom and Ray Magliozzi, aka "Click and Clack
The Tappet Brothers" from Car Talk, who posed this exact problem several years
ago on their show, was that it was vapor lock which formed during the extra
time it took to get the non-vanilla flavor.  Their version had an elderly
woman I believe, who each day alternated between vanilla and pistachio.

Olds Content:  Met Bobby Etzel yesterday, who was up in Mass. on business
from his home state of Georgia.  Real nice guy.  He was relishing our "cool"
mid 90's temps :)



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

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