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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 9 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1356



price list
Re: Need 67 Parts
Who's Who at Nats
Nitrous Question?
GM Strike
Rocket Motor
RE: GM Strike
Re: Headlight doors
Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
RE: Non Olds -- Mystery Buick
Part of What's Wrong With General Motors
Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76
Re: Rocket Motor
Re: Recalls (non-Olds)
Re: Rocket Motor
RE: Rocket Motor
Rooms available for Nationals
Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors
Red Inner Fenders
RE: Rocket Motor
Re: Recalls (non-Olds)
Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Date:	Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:00:52 -0700
Re:
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
1972 ram air hood
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Re: Forgive my ignorance but
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Re:
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
WTB Parts for a 1953 Oldsmobile (fwd)
Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...
How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: GM Strike
Re: door trim needed
Re: Olds Craft?
Re: Olds Craft?
Re: How to save GM Billions!
RE: Olds Craft?
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re:
Recording a pass
unsubscribe
Re: How do you clean alu. intake???
Re: Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days  (again)...
'72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM
Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:20:34 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: price list

Hey guys,
Do any of you have any connections to other auto make or clubs  like we have
here?
We are very fortunate. We are the only ones, that I've found, that can e-mail
directly to a list like this. I  would like to get Rowland Graphics on some
other links. I know the best way is a web "site". Joe has offered to do a page
for me but a site would be quite another thing.
Thanks for all of you guys support & help.
Rog  II  says; If you don't think every day is great ,try missing a  few.
Roger

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:31:01 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need 67 Parts

Forgot , what shape is the whole dash in? harness & all. How much? How about
the hood. WOW!  I guess I'm not as close to done as I thought.
Thanks,
Roger

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Who's Who at Nats

Sorry for the frequent postings, but I'm a*al about updating things.  As
of Thursday morning:

Name            Dates           Hotel           Car(s)
- --------------------------------------------------------
Mark Prince     7/17-7/18       none yet        72 442 W-30
Mark Cornea     7/17-7/18       none yet        70 442 W-30
Bryce Smith     7/14-7/19       Crowne Plaza    none
Chris Casteel   7/17            Comfort Inn     none
Peg O'Connor    7/14-7/18       Holiday Inn     none
Brent Ardo	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	72 CS conv.
Chris Smetana	7/15-7/18	Days Inn	69 S W-31
Jim McKeague	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	70 W-31 &
						70 Rallye 350
Everett Horton	7/14-7/19	Campground	61 Starfire
Kurt & Rose	7/15-7/17	Holiday Inn	90 Trofeo
Leigh Tenenholtz7/15-7/19	Crowne Plaza	68 CS conv.
Ken Brooks	7/15-7/18	Crowne Plaza	69 Hurst
Jeff		7/15-7/17	hotel-hopping	none
Jack Bazur	7/16-7/18			none
Dan Williams	7/16-7/19	Holiday Inn	68 442 conv.
Bill Reilly	7/16-7/19	Crowne Plaza	83 Cutlass Ciera
Karl Aune	7/16-7/17	unknown		Soylent Ocean Mist
Brent Fields	7/15-7/17	Comfort Suites	none

A couple of people sent incomplete info; if you see blank spots anywhere
by your name, send me the missing stuff and I'll fix it up.

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:28:21 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Nitrous Question?

Well this is the stats from the June 1998 Car Craft.

67 Camaro 	400 CID Bow-Tie SB  9.43 @ 142.83  NOS Big Shot  4.30 gears
92 Firebird	467 Pontiac (2 bolt)9.90 @ 135.93  NO NOS		 
3.73 gears (left
at idle speed!)
80 Mustang	358 CID Ford	  9.48 @ 144.36  NOS Big Shot	 
4.56 gears
70 Nova	370 CID SB Chevy	  9.97 @ 134.14  NOS Big Shot	 
4.88 gears
55 Chevy	355 CID SB Chevy    9.99 @ 142.0   NOS Big Shot  4.11 gears
71 Z28      440 CID BB Chevy    9.53 @ 141.35  NOS Big Shot  4.11 gears
69 Firebird 400 CID Pontiac    11.66 @ 110+    No NOS        4.10 gears
(This 69 Firebird had problems, 11.75 @ 90, 11.88 @ 110, and would not
idle at all.
He had serious problems with points distributor, he has since make his
own crank trigger ignition)

If you notice a trend here?  Get a Big Olds/Pontiac and build it, they
are fun to build and you can have GOBS of power for low $$.  I know of 2
455 Pontiacs that run low 12's (12.2-12.3) that are daily driven, and
use 90% factory parts (heads, cam, intake, are all factory).  An no,
they are not light Astre's.  They are 70-72 GTO's, and one is a GTO
nosed wagon!  (You Vista Cruiser guys are not slow!)  And they are not
especially light!

They run 3.08 to 3.23 gears also.  A custom torque converter made a heck
of a difference.  Continental makes special ones for Pontiacs that are
custom to the torque curve of the Pontiac V8.  I would talk to them on
Olds.  B&M are more generic for SBC.

Want a quickie boost in stall?  Want to stay factory?  Got a THM400 with
that big 12 or 13in converter?  Slap in a THM350 11in converter!  Mild
stall, factory parts.  The opposite is VERY common, the 12in converter
on the THM350.  This is done for mileage, better lockup.  More torque
multiplication.  (The 13in was seen in the L88 Vettes and the HMMWV
(Hummer in civilian life) with the THM400 and 6.2L GM Diesel, known as
the GM6 converter)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:02:49 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: GM Strike

I did not catch the original reason for the strike.  What started it
all?

With what is happening now, should GM stop this at all costs?  Just
plain meet the demands?

I guess this is retooling time of year, so production is not all that
busy as other times of the year, but this still has to hurt more than
meeting what they are wanting.  Now they know just what power they have
at shutting down the largest corporation in the world!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:03:29 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Rocket Motor

I have a friend who knows a guy who says that he has a 1974 rocket motor.
How can we be sure that it is a rocket motor.  The motor is colored gold
which really dosn't mean any, right?

Thanks


===========================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
Cutlass403@ameritech.net
1971 Cutlass S 455
Westside! Chitown IL
===========================

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:33:07 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: GM Strike

This is what CNN had to say as the reason for the strike.


"About 3,400 workers represented by UAW Local 659 walked off their jobs June
5 at GM's metal-stamping plant in Flint in a dispute over work rules and
productivity. They were joined six days later by 5,800 peers from UAW Local
651 at the nearby Delphi East diversified parts plant.
Union workers at the metal-stamping facility, the Flint Metal Center, accuse
GM of reneging on pledges to invest $300 million in plant upgrades and of
attempting to slash jobs or move them out of the country."

One thing they wanted was to work 4.5 hours and get paid for 8. Also this is
a quote:
> "It just came out
> in the paper that the AVERAGE employee at the flint facility is making
> $127,000/yr when benefits are included....

GM wants to close the Flint plant because their production is a lot lower
that other plants.

You can follow the debate on the newsgroup alt.autos.gm


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Thomas Martin [SMTP:Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:03 AM
	To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	Subject:	GM Strike

	I did not catch the original reason for the strike.  What started it
	all?

	With what is happening now, should GM stop this at all costs?  Just
	plain meet the demands?

	I guess this is retooling time of year, so production is not all
that
	busy as other times of the year, but this still has to hurt more
than
	meeting what they are wanting.  Now they know just what power they
have
	at shutting down the largest corporation in the world!

	Thomas Martin
	85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
	91 Bonneville LE 3800
	80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:40:57 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight doors

Noway won't fit

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: TomW30@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Headlight doors
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:06 PM
>
>    Anyone know if the plastic headlight doors from a '68 442 will fit my
'69
> 442? Appreciate your replys.
>
>                     Tom

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:04:05 +0100
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From:   Dan Lacey <dlacey@dsea.com>
>
> > Now SOMEBODY should know this one... At some point (1960's for sure), the
> > 88/98 etc. designations were related to the length of the body. (Maybe this
> > is just obvious...).
>
> Sorry, this is not true.  I believe you are confused with the Buick
> Electra 225.  The 225 was related to the 225 inch length of the car.
> That was in '59 or '60.

If I understand the question correctly then, yes, the numbers designate
the body series (and therefore the wheelbase) and number of cylinders.

I don't know how far back this goes, but it was the only system in use
from the early '30s until the introduction of the F-85. It survived with
the Delta 88 and 98 series until the demise of the rear wheel drive
cars.

In 1935 there was a series "Six" and a series "Eight", with the eight
being some ten or twelve inches longer in wheelbase than the six.
There was a series "Seven" which had been discontinued by '35. The
series "Nine" was added about 1940. A "66" is a series six body with a
six cylinder engine, and a "78" is a series seven body with an eight
cylinder engine. I believe it was only a coincidence that the 1935 "Six"
had a six cylinder engine and the "Eight" an eight.

By 1946 all that was left was the series "8" and "9" and the eight
cylinder engine, so the entire lineup consisted of "88"s and "98"s. The
Super 88 (which made its appearance about 1953, I believe) is an 88 with
a 98 engine which made it pretty hot stuff (the 98 had a four barrel
carb. Whoo hoo!).

Dates are approximate. Please forgive me if I have misunderstood the
question.

Charles

'56 Super 88
'86 Cutlass Supreme

Hey! That's 30 years of Oldsmobiles! Now if I can find my '36 "Six" Club
Coupe.........

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:17:46 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: Non Olds -- Mystery Buick

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
> Anyone recognize this Century?  I've never seen one before it, so I had
to take
> some pics...
>
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/century.htm
******************

Charlie,

I sure do recognize the Buick.  That's a Century Turbo Coupe.  I owned a
'79 that looked almost identical to that one.  Mine was painted flat black
between the taillights and on the back side of the rear spoiler and
although I wasn't the original owner I'm pretty sure that it had come from
the factory that way.  It also had black decals on the front fenders with
the Buick Hawk and the word "Turbo".  The one in your photos looks like it
might have the two-tone sport paint option, which mine didn't have.  Maybe
that option deleted the flat black paint and decals.  I can't see the
wheels well, but mine had 14 x 7 inch "Polycast" wheels in a turbine fin
design.  I believe those wheels were part of the Turbo Coupe option - did
this one have the same?  I don't know if Buick made those in 1978, but I
believe that they were available in both 1979 and 1980.  I have unconfirmed
reports that total production in 1979 was less than 500, so they were very
rare even when new.  The package also included special suspension bits and
a special quick ratio steering gear as I recall.  The engine was the 231
cubic inch V-6, with turbocharger and 4-barrel.  They also had dual exhaust
from the converter back, with no mufflers. It was rated at 180 horsepower.
I know for a fact that it would run side by side with a '79 Hurst/Olds,
because my wife and I raced against each other on more than one occasion.
I still have an original '79 Buick sales brochure, which details that car.
Cool.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:57:28 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu> wrote:
> . . . I think there isn't anything that GM could have done differently to
avoid
> this financial pickle, they just got shafted by the UAW.  The UAW is so
huge,
> you can't turn your back. . . .
*****************
I worked for General Motors, at the giant Ypsilanti, Michigan Hydramatic
transmission plant between 1976 and 1981.  As you might recall, this was
the "Roger Smith" era.  This is when General Motors should have started
making changes for their future survival.  This is when Chrysler
Corporation slipped at the edge of the bottomless pit of bankruptcy and
desperately clung to life.  This is also when Ford Motor Company began the
modernization of its operations worldwide.  Under the direction of Roger
Smith however, all that General Motors did was to pull the various
divisions together under management groups.  Nothing important about the
actual work process for building vehicles was changed.  I think that the
thought on the 13th floor of the General Motors building at that time was
that they were so big that they didn't need to make anything more than
marketing decision changes to survive.  That may still be the case although
its finally starting to look as if reality is overtaking them.  The result
is that today General Motors uses about 40% more employee hours to build
each vehicle, than does either Chrysler or Ford.  I believe that the only
GM exception to this is Saturn, which of course got to start with a clean
sheet of paper.  So now we get to watch two old dinosaurs (GM and the UAW),
flex their muscles and try to stare each other down.  I don't believe that
either side actually realizes yet, just what bad shape they're in.


> . . . But remember, these UAW workers are making something like $50 per
> week during strikes, so they need to get back to work if ~they~ don't
want to
> lose ~their~ backs, too! . . .
*****************
I have a brother-in-law and a high school friend who both are production
workers at Hydramatic.  Both of course are now laid off and drawing state
unemployment benefits.  That is more like nearly $300 per week, rather than
$50, but I'm sure that figure varies by state.  Still it isn't the 90% of
their normal weekly take home pay though, which they would have received as
a combinatoin of unemployment compensation and sub-pay during a normal
layoff.  The strikers of course, don't qualify for the unemployment
benefit.  Anyway I'm sure that they're all being hurt financially by the
strike and layoffs, but most not as quickly as you might think.


> I read somewhere that many GM lineworkers are ~salaried~ workers making
> upwards of $40k or $45k per year.  That's a GREAT paycheck for a factory
> worker, but the UAW is striking just because it can.  I think we should
be
> criticizing the UAW instead of GM,  . . .
******************
I don't know of any production auto workers who are anything but "hourly"
workers, but I do know that with overtime they easily can be paid $45,000
or more per year.  As someone who' did it for five years though, I can
testify that it's a hard way to make a living.  Now I don't believe that
the UAW locals have struck "just because they can".  They're protesting the
production jobs which General Motors has moved to facilities in Mexico.
What they're really after though, is attempting to keep the GM process and
workforce "fat".  That is to say, to keep all the jobs they currently have.
That hasn't worked at Chrysler or Ford, and I think that it's obvious that
for long term survival, it also can't happen at GM.  I think that both
sides have responsibity though.

Now, for a weak attempt to include some Oldsmobile content here I'll say
that for the Saturn Division to stay healthy I think that need to divorce
themselves from General Motors to the greatest degree possible.  That would
also work for Oldsmobile too, if they had their own management team and the
line of credit necessary to build modern production facilities as quickly
as possible.  Unfortunately, it appears that they currently have neither.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 07:31:53 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 98/96, 88/86, 78/76

Guys,

This bit here is incorrect. The car that my wife and I rode off in after
our wedding reception was a 1948 Oldsmobile series 68 4dr(straight
eight). I know that this is correct as I see this very car most days.

>By 1946 all that was left was the series "8" and "9" and the eight
>cylinder engine, so the entire lineup consisted of "88"s and "98"s.


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:32:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

If it's an Olds Engine, it's a 330 or 350 Rocket.  As far as I know,
all Olds Engines are called Rockets, and the gold means that it's a
330 or 350.  Somebody correct me If I'm wrong.  Hope this helps.


Stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:46:06 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Recalls (non-Olds)

On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote:
> . . . Recalls work decently as long as the product doesn't cost
> lives, etc.  Anyone want to buy a pacemaker that has a recall out on it?
> I don't think so Tim.  How about a car who's brakes don't work quite
> right?  Me neither. . . .

********************
Don,

I'm not sure I understand.  Do you think that recalls are unnecessary, if
lives are not at stake?  You're not advocating a return to the innocent
days of the 1950s and earlier are you, when manufacturers just stayed quiet
and did nothing when product defects were discovered?  I've been buying
cars since 1968 and I don't recall having one that wasn't recalled for
something along the line.  Some of those problems were potentially serious
and some were not.  Either way, I didn't mind the inconvenience of getting
corrections made at no dollar cost to me.  And the fact that corrections
are required don't make me lose faith in the product, no matter if it's a
vehicle or something else.  By the way, when pacemakers are recalled, you
get a whole new pacemaker.  That's a procedure which needs to be done every
few years anyway, as the battery in the implanted device begins to lose
power.  I've yet to have anyone give me a new car under a recall.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 07:41:13 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor

easy enough do the valve covers have 10 bolts? is there an oil fill tube on
the front passenger side of the engine? and are the valve covers embossed
oldsmobile? as the man says all oldsmobile engines are known as rockets the
gold color was used on all olds small block engines later gm changed to
corporate blue for these the 455 came in red (68-69) 70 and later is olds
blue the 400 is bronze the 425 I believe is red as well but am not sure
these colors are not etched in stone as I have seen 455 painted chevy orange
350 painted 455 blue
and etc. but hope this helps....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket Motor


>
>
>If it's an Olds Engine, it's a 330 or 350 Rocket.  As far as I know,
>all Olds Engines are called Rockets, and the gold means that it's a
>330 or 350.  Somebody correct me If I'm wrong.  Hope this helps.
>
>
>Stefan
>sgadecki@yahoo.com
>1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:49:33 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket Motor

Umm, I've got a 77 Buick LeSabre with the original 350 Olds (vin code R)
and it's painted blue, parent bought the car new.

>If it's an Olds Engine, it's a 330 or 350 Rocket.  As far as I know,
>all Olds Engines are called Rockets, and the gold means that it's a
>330 or 350.  Somebody correct me If I'm wrong.  Hope this helps.
>

I believe if its an Olds it will have the oil filler tube right up front
and going into the timing area, 10 valve cover bolts per valve cover and
the distributor in the rear.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:50:50 -0500
From: Rick kromeich <rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com>
Subject: Rooms available for Nationals

Don't ask me why, but I have two rooms reserved for the 16th and 17th
that I will not be able to use.  My
son qualified for a national roller hockey tournament in DesMoines Iowa
that weekend.  I am bummed I cannot attend the Nationals as I looked
forward to seeing all the great Oldsmobiles and meeting some of you.  If
anyone  is interested in either of these rooms please let  me know by
Tuesday or I will cancel.


Days Inn  July 16th $56.00 night, July 17th $62.00 - two double beds.
Drury Inn  July 16th and 17th $84.95 a night for a two room suite.

Karl, anyone, any takers?

- -Rick
72 Cutlass Sumpreme Conv't

- --

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:00:27 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Part of What's Wrong With General Motors

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:

> What they're really after though, is attempting to keep the GM process and
> workforce "fat".  That is to say, to keep all the jobs they currently have.

What better way to keep your power and increase dues for the union
coffers?  Of course that results in cars costing more due to an inflated
labor factor (assuming the 40% more labor used than the competition and
getting paid for 8 hours and working 4.5  hours are accurate) and fewer
sales because less people qualify for the loans and can afford to buy
them.

Not to ruffle anyone's feathers, but getting paid 8 for working 4 1/2 is
a good deal if you can get it.  I have to admit that I am not really too
fond of unions as they currently exist.  My daughter works part time in
a local major grocery store and they take out more for dues and
assessments than the state taxes that are withheld.  I will be the first
to agree that unions have done a lot for the American worker over the
years, i.e., child labor laws, hours, working conditions, etc.  But
there have been a more than a few things done wrong by them over the
years.  As one of my professors told us in college, all things in
moderation.  If you use too much of any GOOD thing it can result in as
much harm as something bad.  Now we all know that doesn't hold true for
Oldsmobiles, because you can't have too many of them.  What's that you
say, some of your spouses/inlaws don't like your Olds collections?
There is no accounting for good taste in some people.  But then I don't
think I've ever done much for my inlaws they thought was correct anyway.
Something about that young whippersnapper not knowing.....
But that is a story for a different time.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:40:47 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Red Inner Fenders

does anyone know if these were available as dealer installed items in 69 my
442 has them no cutouts and in pretty bad shape as in old they look well
worn the car also is not a lansing car it is a fremont car the
car was not well taken care of and has not been restored until now if these
were available I will try to save them if not would you guys suggest
returning to black?

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:46:28 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket Motor

At 09:49 AM 7/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Umm, I've got a 77 Buick LeSabre with the original 350 Olds (vin code R)
>and it's painted blue, parent bought the car new.
some late 70's small blocks were blue , like 403's

>I believe if its an Olds it will have the oil filler tube right up front
>and going into the timing area, 10 valve cover bolts per valve cover and
>the distributor in the rear.

Only pre '75 will have 10 bolts, after 75 there are 5 bolts.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:55:52 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Recalls (non-Olds)

The new Beetle had a recall for a hose (wire?) rubbing the battery tray and
causing a fire. When you brought your car to the dealership they will give
the owners a $100 plus a loner car to use while they fixed their 'Bug'.
Had to pun on that one..
Brett Wilson

- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Recalls (non-Olds)


>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote:
>> . . . Recalls work decently as long as the product doesn't cost
>> lives, etc.  Anyone want to buy a pacemaker that has a recall out on it?
>> I don't think so Tim.  How about a car who's brakes don't work quite
>> right?  Me neither. . . .
>
>********************
>Don,
>
>I'm not sure I understand.  Do you think that recalls are unnecessary, if
>lives are not at stake?  You're not advocating a return to the innocent
>days of the 1950s and earlier are you, when manufacturers just stayed quiet
>and did nothing when product defects were discovered?  I've been buying
>cars since 1968 and I don't recall having one that wasn't recalled for
>something along the line.  Some of those problems were potentially serious
>and some were not.  Either way, I didn't mind the inconvenience of getting
>corrections made at no dollar cost to me.  And the fact that corrections
>are required don't make me lose faith in the product, no matter if it's a
>vehicle or something else.  By the way, when pacemakers are recalled, you
>get a whole new pacemaker.  That's a procedure which needs to be done every
>few years anyway, as the battery in the implanted device begins to lose
>power.  I've yet to have anyone give me a new car under a recall.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:00:45 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

Just on again 'till Saturday; thought I'd catch up to what people are up to.

Met up with Greg B. and Everett (thanks for lunch, Everett!) the other
week, but had to run off to teach so I couldn't go back to the Horton
homestead to oogle the Starfire. My wife almost bought me a quarterpanel
for the SX from Everett for our anniversary; she's catching on... ;)

I've been driving the SX every chance I get (Greg saw it, in all its
roughness), and there's something about the big-inch power that comes from
the stock 375hp Toro 455 that I've got in there now that's really
appealing. The motor was designed to provide smooth power for a heavy car,
so it idles and starts up as smooth as can be, and driving it around at
light throttle is effortless, due to the bounty of torque. It never shakes,
overheats, or does anything unruly.

But, since it's carrying around 1000 less pounds in the Cutlass, it really
gets up and goes when I get on it; certainly enough to get me into trouble
on our city streets. I've come to realize firsthand that _this_ was the
magical formula that drove the musclecar era; putting a relatively mild (in
contrast to the solid-lifter high-compression 427's and 426's that were
being produced) big-inch engine in a smaller car, and watching it go fast,
all while it remained docile enough to drive smoothly under all conditions,
and understressed enough to live out its warranty period. Things did get a
bit more wild toward the end of that era, with factory-modified engines
that made more compromises with the intent of increasing performance (thus,
no A/C or power brakes with the hottest W-30), but still there remained
strong-performing big-inch midsize cars on that rung just below the hottest
factory supercars, and in everyday driving it might be just those cars that
are most enjoyable.

Sure, I'm planning on a more radical engine for this pup when it comes time
to rebuild, with the appropriate sound and fury, but I will miss the smooth
and silent power of my stock Toro 455...
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:00:52 -0700
From: dbennett@asu.edu
Subject: Date:	Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:00:52 -0700

Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for a
paint job on my daily driver.

Dan Bennett
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:11:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re:

At 09:00 AM 7/9/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
>front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
>bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
>fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for a
>paint job on my daily driver.

Do you want to reuse the emblems? If so, the nuts on the back will have to
be removed, and it's just a matter of which way you want to go at them.
Undoing the two bolts on the bottom of the fender, and the few along the
back edge of the wheelwell, to pry out the fender a bit, is probably the
easiest way. I'd recommend using one of those ratcheting box-end wrenches,
or a small socket wrench with an appropriately-deep socket (ordinary depth
sockets are sometimes too shallow to engage the speednut on that stud).

If you're not going to reuse the emblem, you can just break them off with a
screwdriver, and use silicone adhesive to glue the new ones in place,
though with the minimal effort involved in getting behind that fender, it's
probably not worth incurring the associate "cheese" factor (no slur
intended to our WI list members... ;).
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:12:20 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

Hey Dr. Bob, I was wondering how that SX was coming along.  I finally
got back on realtime a few weeks back.  I'm in the process of getting my
69 W-31 roadworthy for the trip to Nationals in Springfield next week.
Tonight's the big night, Dave Wyatt is coming over and we're gonna start
her up (hopefully).  Good to hear the SX is on the road again.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:19:29 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

At 11:12 AM 7/9/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Dr. Bob, I was wondering how that SX was coming along.  I finally
>got back on realtime a few weeks back.  I'm in the process of getting my
>69 W-31 roadworthy for the trip to Nationals in Springfield next week.
>Tonight's the big night, Dave Wyatt is coming over and we're gonna start
>her up (hopefully).  Good to hear the SX is on the road again.

Chris,

Good to hear the W-31 might be making the "pilgrimage"; wish I was going.
Spin a tire for me, will ya? (or two tires, if you have positraction... :)

On a side note, didn't your list of Oldses extend a little further down not
long ago? Did you sell some off?
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:28:39 EDT
From: <Born2Xcell@aol.com>
Subject: 1972 ram air hood

I am looking for a 1972 ram air hood. any body with info please call
516-366-1447 ask for george

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:41:04 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

>Good to hear the W-31 might be making the "pilgrimage"; wish I was going.
>Spin a tire for me, will ya? (or two tires, if you have positraction... :)

I'll spin two, it's got a 3:91 posi.  It should actually be pretty easy,
with the temporarily transplanted 455.  The original 350 will be rebuilt
this winter/spring.

>On a side note, didn't your list of Oldses extend a little further down not
>long ago? Did you sell some off?

Umm, no....well maybe...here's the complete list in order of acquirement
(is that a word)

1977 Buick LeSabre - parent bought new, still has original 350 Olds, for
a little while had a 72 455, soon as I finish a repair I have someone
who may buy it
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 Hatchback - my first car and up until January my
daily driver
1971 Buick Skylark custom convertible - 269K miles on original motor,
and still for sale, just need to finish the timing chain repair
1966 GTO - now a parts car, very rusty
1966 GTO - a California rolling shell, currently (actually it's stalled)
undergoing a frame off restification
1969 W-31 - my baby, numbers matching and a Chicago car all it's life
1977 LTD - it was free, had for a few months then sold it
1969 4-4-2 - it's a true parts car, bought as a rolling shell, is
originally from AZ
1989 GMC Sonoma - current daily driver, and parts hauler, and hauler of
home remodeling supplies
man I knew I had a lot of cars, but jeez, anyway that's the list.  Now I
just need time to work on them and/or finish up repairs.


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work:csmetana@dowagro.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:39:18 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Forgive my ignorance but

you don't have any probs with the 255's up front I have them on back but
wasn't sure if they would fit up front

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:45:07 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

>1989 GMC Sonoma - current daily driver, and parts hauler, and hauler of home
>remodeling supplies
>man I knew I had a lot of cars, but jeez, anyway that's the list.  Now I just
>need time to work on them and/or finish up repairs.

Actually, that's a 94 GMC Sonoma...what am I thinking.  Must be time for
lunch.

Chris

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:49:31 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re:

>its probably not worth incurring the associate "cheese" factor (no slur
>intended to our WI list members... ;).


Any reference to "cheese" is usually considered a compliment, not a
slur here, eh. ;-)

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:48:52 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> does anyone know if these were available as dealer installed items in 69 my
> 442 has them no cutouts and in pretty bad shape as in old they look well
> worn the car also is not a lansing car it is a fremont car the

I have a question for your 1969 Fremont 442.  Have you looked under the
driver's
side carpetting and insulation for a build sheet?  I found one in Scarlet in
this place.
I am trying to ascertain if this was a popular place for this item out of that
factory.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:50:34 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

Smetana, Christopher wrote:

> Umm, no....well maybe...here's the complete list in order of acquirement
> (is that a word)

How about acquisition.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:57:59 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

At 11:41 AM 7/9/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>>On a side note, didn't your list of Oldses extend a little further down not
>>long ago? Did you sell some off?
>
>Umm, no....well maybe...here's the complete list in order of acquirement
>(is that a word)
>
>1977 Buick LeSabre - parent bought new, still has original 350 Olds, for
 [snip of what sounds like a used car lot inventory sheet... ;) ]
>1969 W-31 - my baby, numbers matching and a Chicago car all it's life
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hmmm, is this a positive or negative feature?

 [snip of remainder of the inventory]
>1989 GMC Sonoma - current daily driver, and parts hauler, and hauler of
>home remodeling supplies

It's good to have something like that, to avoid strapping the 4x8 sheets of
plywood and drywall to the roofs of the cars you *really* care about (Bob
says, now that he has a Jeep for such things...)

>man I knew I had a lot of cars, but jeez, anyway that's the list.  Now I
>just need time to work on them and/or finish up repairs.

heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
as you and I are; check all the following that apply:

( ) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them

( ) You own more engines than cars to put them in

( ) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
one/some of those cars?"

( ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
homebuying priorities

( ) You buy oil by the case

( ) You buy oil by the case every month

( ) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind

( ) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to drive

At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:
( ) a week
( ) a month
( ) a year
( ) a decade
( ) has never moved under its own power

( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
_____________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	        MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado [455/TH425] http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX [455/TH400]  1978 Electra [409/TH400]
1988 Grand Wagoneer [360/TF727]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:52:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Robert Barry wrote:
> Just on again 'till Saturday; thought I'd catch up to what people are up to.

Hehehe... I knew he'd be back! ;-)

> Met up with Greg B. and Everett (thanks for lunch, Everett!) the other
> week, but had to run off to teach so I couldn't go back to the Horton
> homestead to oogle the Starfire. My wife almost bought me a quarterpanel
> for the SX from Everett for our anniversary; she's catching on... ;)

Yeah, that was fun, wasn't it? I really enjoyed seeing both of you. I
dunno what I'd do if I lived down the road from a place like Everett's. I
would probably be even more permanently broke than I am now. Couldn't
resist the temptation to drop by and buy stuff that I absolutely must
have. Sounds like you have a very smart lady for a wife.

> But, since it's carrying around 1000 less pounds in the Cutlass, it really
> gets up and goes when I get on it; certainly enough to get me into trouble
> on our city streets.

Yeah, these are so much fun! I get to drive the SXs my buddies have
occasionally and they're scary quick. But very composed and sedate most
of the time. Heck, any good car of this vintage is a gas to drive. My '68
only has a 350 but lately the thing is running so strong it scares me
that it might be getting ready to blow up or something. ;-) Had it out
the other night, windows down for that holiday coupe look, 8-track
playing, peeling out like a fool... hope I don't do something stupid like
spinning my tires in front of the policeman. :o

Nice to see you back!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:55:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: WTB Parts for a 1953 Oldsmobile (fwd)

I see this individual also has a '53 Olds for sale; dunno if that means
he's lost interest in buying parts or not. Sounds like a customer for
Everett.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Carl Roper" <croper@globaldialog.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: WTB Parts for a 1953 Oldsmobile

I am in search of a the following parts for a 1953 Oldsmobile four door
sedan

Gas Tank
Radiator
Front Floor pans
Both front Fenders
Left front door

If anyone has some good usuable parts please e-mail me at
croper@globaldialog.com

Sincerely
Carl

P.S. I could also be interested in a rocket 303 engine in good to excellent
shape if priced right.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:10:32 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

> heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
> as you and I are; check all the following that apply:

			< < < S N I P > > >

I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Uhh... What do I win...  
Do
we get a special award if we marked them all???  :o

Got a good laugh, anyway :)


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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:12:49 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

>>1969 W-31 - my baby, numbers matching and a Chicago car all it's life
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>hmmm, is this a positive or negative feature?

probably both, I kinda meant that as lots of rust but you can judge for
yourself, pictures are at http://www.abcs.com/chris/69w31.htm
>
>heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
>as you and I are; check all the following that apply:
>
>( ) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them
Yes
>
>( ) You own more engines than cars to put them in
No - equal car to engine ratio, for now
>
>( ) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
>one/some of those cars?"
Yes, the wife
>
>( ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
>homebuying priorities
no, not really.
>
>( ) You buy oil by the case
Yes
>
>( ) You buy oil by the case every month
No, but getting close
>
>( ) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind
Yes
>
>( ) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
>classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to drive
Yes, or the sports section
>
>At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:
>( ) a week
yes
>( ) a month
yes
>( ) a year
yes
>( ) a decade
no
>( ) has never moved under its own power
yes, at least since I've owned it
>
>( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
Oh yes
>

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:12:49 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...

Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu> on 07/09/98 11:57:59 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:

Subject:  RE: Just popping back in for a few days (again)...




Dr. Bob Wrote:

heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar situations
as you and I are; check all the following that apply:

( *) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them

( *) You own more engines than cars to put them in

( *) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid of
one/some of those cars?"

( *) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list of
homebuying priorities

( *) You buy oil by the case

( *) You buy oil by the case every month

( *) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind

( *) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else to drive

At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more than:
( *) a week
( ) a month
( ) a year
( ) a decade
( ) has never moved under its own power

( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
_____________________________________________________________



Hey!  9 out of 10 aint bad.



Dave Wyatt

70  4-4-2

81  Malibu

93  GMC Van

95  Neon

65  Honda C100

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:50:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: How do you clean alu. intake???

Hi Guys,

what would you think works good to clean a used aluminium intake manifold
inside and outside before bolting it on? Thought about carburetor
cleaner... is that a good idea? Experiences?

Thanks

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
'77 Lincoln Continental
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:22:17 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: GM Strike

I saw an article in Sunday's New York Times that GM has quietly built 20 parts
plants in Mexico.(where, as we all know it's cheaper to manufacture.) I wonder
if Gm wants this strike to continue as a reason to eliminate US jobs and have
an excuse to make more parts in Mexico. Just a thought.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:23:49 -0600 (MDT)
From: Tbarry@webtv.net (Thomas Barriano)
Subject: Re: door trim needed

I need the drivers door trim for a 66 Dynamic 88 2 door convertible.
The piece
goes about 1/3 of the way up from the bottom and has a hump on the top
and the bottom and flat black in the center, about one inch wide. It is
part of a continuous
piece that starts in front of the front fender goes around the rear
fender to the back bumper. Thanks for any help in locating
this peice.

Regards
Thomas

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:41:15 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Craft?

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Hey, all you non-Car Craft readers...
>
> This is taken from their August 98 issue from the In and Out List:
>
> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
>
> Hahahah.  That's just too good not to share!

NO-YEAH!!! That's what I like to hear!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:41:36 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Craft?

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Hey, all you non-Car Craft readers...
>
> This is taken from their August 98 issue from the In and Out List:
>
> IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
> OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
>
> Hahahah.  That's just too good not to share!

NO-YEAH!!! That's what I like to hear! Maybe I'll have to get a
subscription.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:52:45 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How to save GM Billions!

Understand, without question, that hell will freeze over several thousand
times before GM would stick a fork in Chevrolet.  Don't kid yourself,
Chevrolet runs GM.  It is the bow tie boys who have been trying to toast the
Olds division for some time.  They are hot that it hasn't happended yet.
Believe it!

MFM

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:59:53 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Olds Craft?

It's about #$#$%$ time!!!

> ----------
> From: 	Matt Cremean[SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, July 09, 1998 8:41 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Olds Craft?
>
> Jason Adcock wrote:
> >
> > Hey, all you non-Car Craft readers...
> >
> > This is taken from their August 98 issue from the In and Out List:
> >
> > IN: Buicks, Olds, Pontiacs
> > OUT: Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs with Chevy engines
> >
> > Hahahah.  That's just too good not to share!
>
> NO-YEAH!!! That's what I like to hear! Maybe I'll have to get a
> subscription.
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>          777777 33333
>             77      33
> Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>           77        33
>          77     33333
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:48 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

Get some autoTech aluminum cleaner you won't find any thing better to use

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:27:41 -0400
From: Jim & Jo Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re:

Dan

        You don't get around taking the bottom of the fender loose. They are
held by three nuts that if not removed from the back you'll break the emblem.

Jim Chermack

At 09:00 AM 7/9/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a trick for getting off the "Cutlass" emblems from the
>front fenders of a '72 Supreme without having to remove the bottom fender
>bolts and sticking your hand in there or disassembling the inner wheel
>fender.  I've been stumped on this one for a while and its about ready for a
>paint job on my daily driver.
>
>Dan Bennett
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:44:57 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Recording a pass

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Brett Wilson
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:01:29 +0200
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:56:09 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you clean alu. intake???

The most popular answer to this question ...a few days ago anyway!...was to
8use Eagle-One aluminum wheel cleaner.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 14:06:29 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Survey was RE: Just popping back in for a few days  (again)...

.htm
>>
>>heh... I wonder what percentage of list-members are in similar
situations
>>as you and I are; check all the following that apply:
>>
>>(x) You have more cars on your property than drivers to drive them
>Yes
>>
>>( ) You own more engines than cars to put them in
>No - equal car to engine ratio, for now
>>
>>(x) Somebody has asked you in the last month "When you gonna get rid
of
>>one/some of those cars?"
>Yes, the wife
>>
>>( ) "Quality of Schools" was below "Space for Parts cars" on your list
of
>>homebuying priorities
>no, not really.
>>
>>(x) You buy oil by the case
>Yes
>>
>>( ) You buy oil by the case every month
>No, but getting close
>>
>>(x) None of the cars you drive are under a warantee of any kind
>Yes
>>
>>(x) The first part of the paper you read each day are the automotive
>>classifieds, even if you're not currently looking for something else
to drive
>Yes, or the sports section
>>
>>At least one of the cars/trucks you own has not been driven for more
than:
>>( ) a week
>yes
>>(x) a month
>yes
>>( ) a year
>yes
>>( ) a decade
>no
>>( ) has never moved under its own power
>yes, at least since I've owned it
>>
>>( ) You have more cars that cannot move, than cars that can
>Oh yes
>>
>


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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 16:15:50 -0700
From: "David E. Cohen" <thunder@onr.com>
Subject: '72 Cutl. Sup. Conv.TRIM

I'm looking for the chrome strip that fits on the lower edge of my trunk
in very good or perfect condition.  Thanks.

David
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:21:44 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Alternative To Rubber Fuel Line

Kerry,

As an aircraft mechanic, I see the stuff all the time.  But some of the
braided hose we have at work has a different hose lining, due to having
aircraft hydraulic fluid run through it - the stuff is super slippery, works
at over 1000PSI without losing it's properties, and will eat up many
materials.  I'm not sure of the lining material, but I'm sure it's not rubber.
We also have some braided hose that we use on oxygen lines and I'm not sure
they have rubber in them.

I look for it at aircraft supply/surplus stores since getting it out of work
isn't worth the risk of losing my job.  The pieces I have right now are going
to be used as fuel line and as water lines from the back corners of the intake
to the thermostat housing - allows better cooling of the back cylinders.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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