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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, July 26 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1389



Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)
Paging someone who bought parts from me
Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2
Re: Parting Car
Re: Parting Car
Re: Carter Carburator problem
One-of-a-kind '83 H/O & Homecoming '98 pictures
Bolt patterns
A Bad day : (
Re: 403 Questions
BOP 700-R4
Re: Carter Carburator problem
BOP 700-R4
Body ID tag, paint codes
Body trim tag
Re: '58 Fiestas
Need h*lp with a measurement
W31 exhaust manifolds
Re: OOPS
WANTED: 442 Conv. Frame
olds tv
Re: Body trim tag
'49 Rocket Valve Covers
National Pictures
Fastball video.
IDIOT light
Re: IDIOT light
ISO Rear end
Re: IDIOT light
Re: Body trim tag
71 Cutlass Convert. F/S
71 Cutlass Convert. F/S
Re: Parting Car
Re: Parting Car
65 Posi 4 Sale
1972 Hurst 441 Indy Pace Car??? long
Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale
Spark plug question
Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale
Re: Spark plug question
Re: 1972 Hurst 441 Indy Pace Car??? long
unsubscribe
Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale
Re: Spark plug question
Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:20:38 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)

the sight works fine for Internet explorer 4.0 and netscape pro
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From: Cnvrt67@aol.com <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 8:03 PM
Subject: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)


>ok i did what charlie said. they should work now. they were only working
for
>people with aol befor. if not let me know.
>
>                         ATTENTION:
>if you wanna buy the sign, you have until saterday 12:00 a.m. est to better
>the offer of $325. but if you cant see the pics by then for some reason i
>might extend it.
>
>http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html
>
>Brent Ardo

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:45:06 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Paging someone who bought parts from me

sorry for taking up bandwith......but. someone on this list bought a
instrument bezel and door mecinizems from me. well i got the money order but
now i need to ask him a question and i lost his email address. so if you are
out there....and bought a instrument bezel and door thingie from me, mail me
back privatley. Thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 02:58:09 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2

Did you know that Olds' pronunciation of  'Holiday Coupe' during the 59's was
quite different from that they used in the 60's. Anyone think they know?

I'll take a shot - Hollerdee Coop?

Erik

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 08:15:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Parting Car

Hi Bob,

'78 Delta huh? That's my car! Does it have any nice options?

I could use a good dash plastic woodgrain center section (the big
piece around the center vents, radio & lighter) if it has a square cutout
for both cruise/defog switches (not just 1) and no circle cut for a right
remote mirror.

I could use the little 1" long plastic chrome trim for the passenger side
fender at the A-pillar.

If the front bumper is in good shape I could use that.

Does it have the guage package?

I would be looking for a red glovebox door, or at least one without any
cracks in the vinyl that could be dyed. You'd need to get the lock
assembly removed for me first (need a key).

If I think of anything else I'll let you know. Look forward to hearing
back from you. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:59:19 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Parting Car

Robert Schinkel wrote:

> Maximum pricing on any part $20 plus shipping

What a deal, I wish I had one of these so I could get sucha great deal on
parts!!!

Jim
69 '442 conv

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:09:50 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem

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       =20
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            I have a Carter carburetor (650) and the other day I decided =
to rebuild it.
        All went well except that my carburetor bogs down on idle.  =
right now it dies on idle.  at WOT it is awesome but at low rpm's with =
little gas pedal it dies and acts like it is running out of gas.
        I set the floats "up" position to 5/16 and down position to =
15/16 like the instructions said.=20
       =20
        Dunno about Carter's specifically, but..
        Stalling at idle -- Idle jets clogged, air leak in =
manifold-to-carb gasket, vacuum leak are possibilities. Balking at light =
throttle could be all those things plus accelerator pump and checkvalve =
ball. You said you rebuilt it - did you check that the internal gaskets =
from the rebuild kit are EXACTLY the same as the original? I rebuilt a =
Rochester 2 bl once that refused to idle afterward. Turned out the NAPA =
rebuild kit had the wrong gasket - only one tiny hole was different. And =
didja put the hoses back in the same locations?
       =20
        Overall it might be cheaper to get a used Quadrajet (I assime =
this is an Olds) then mess with the Carter.
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        <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>I set the =
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:36:15 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: One-of-a-kind '83 H/O & Homecoming '98 pictures

With all the Springfield pictures popping-up, I finally got off my butt and
did some scanning.

I added a page to my web site that has pictures from the '98 Homecoming show
in Lansing this past June.

SEE:

A one-of-a-kind '83 H/O

Olds Headquarters building (former anyway)

And....meet some of the Olds "Street Rockets" members

Here's the link, enjoy...
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/home98.htm

=====================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:17:30 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Bolt patterns

Message text written by Thomas Martin
>I do know the FWD 3800 does not interchange bolt pattern with the RWD
3.8L.  Note, no 3800's were RWD until the 96 (?) Camaro/Firebird.  I
would assume that one is a Chevy pattern, but have never heard.  Anyone
know?
<

With the replaceable bell housings, I would imagine the 3800 in the F-car
uses the same FWD pattern as the 3800 in the FWD applications.  Easier to
make changes to bellhousing than to a low volume of 3800 runs on the same
line as the FWD versions.

>What is the 5L40E?  A 5 sp auto for rear drive?  Hmm, 2.73's in the rear
end, and then 3.5 1st, 2.7 2nd, 1.57 3rd, 1:1 4th, .7 OD?  That would be
AWESOME!  Talk about your cake and eat it too!  The auto version of the
Nash 5sp!  with OD!  Give it to me!!<

The 5L40-E is a 4L40-E with another gear in the middle.  This transmission
is being built exclusively for BMW for their 3 and 5 series vehicles.  The
4L40-E is used in many including Opel, Cadillac Catera, Holden, and BMW M3,
and some 3 and 5 series.

Probably adaptable with some modifications as they both have replaceable
bellhousings.  Wouldn't take a lot of torque though.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:18:50 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: A Bad day : (

i just fond out that im geting kicked out of the garage that im working
on my delta in,now i have it half ript apart ,and no ware to go,: (
dose anybody know a garage for rent in  ,S W.MI?

Thanks
      Ryan

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:25:49 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 403 Questions

>    I was in the machine shop the other day shooting the shit when the guy
who
>works there said he had a 403 block, crank, rods and pistons for $75.  He
said
>the 403 would be an exact fit in place of my 330 in my 66 f-85.  So my
first
>question is is this true?

Yup, so they say.

>Will I have to make any changes what so ever?

Need a bigger budget for gas.

>Second is what is a good set of heads for this motor?  He said mine would
work
>but would they work good?  Would they not be kind of small?

Smaller combustion chambers will increase comp ratio on the 403 from 8.5:1
to about 10:1, I guess that means hi octane gas. Dunno if all the head bolts
are the same.

drc

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:30:34 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: BOP 700-R4

Message text written by Dan
> Apparently that discussion wasn't long enough, check with a guy named
Mike
> Maiville I believe he now lives in Ionia, MI. Mike and I have talked at
> length about building one of the BOP/Chevy composite case 700's for my 70
> W30. Mike and I both worked in product engineering in Lansing and Mike
spent
> many years in the transmission area of the department. Mike is currently
> doing a lot of calibration work for the 3.8 buick turbo race programs and
is
> finally opening up his own shop. The cases do exist, I have seen them, my
> only question is how did they get out in the public. The bottom line is
the
> cost of the case is as much as a complete 200 and when built it is much
> heavier so the smart thing to do is to build a 200.<

Are we really talking about the same tranny.  The 200-4R had a composite
Chevy/BOP case.  Acutally first overdrive made by GM.  Manufactured from
1981 through 1990? - when the last non-chevy RWD (Olds) engine was made.
This was always the limitign factor that prevented the F-car from getting
the 3800.  When the repaceable bell housing came out, other applications
other than Chevy could be used.

The 700-R4 was only built at the Toledo plant (which was a Chevy THM-350
plant) before Hydramatic took over in 1983 - which is when 700-R4
production started.  BTW - thw 1983 through 1985 700-R4s are junk - many
major modifications took place for the 1986/1987 time frame.

My sources at Toledo say there were no BOP composite 700-R4 cases made,
only Chevy/FWD composite cases.

Another possibility is that the cases you have seen were from a Holden
(Australia).  They are heavy into RWD and have some interesting
combinations.

The final possibility is that they were specials for racing or another
application, and not publicly avaialable, which would explain the lack of
general knowledge of these units.  Special cases for non-production vehicle
s could exist, but yes, they would be expensive due to the rarity and the
cost of die-casting tooling to make such an animal.

If there are any pictures of such a case, I would love to see it.  This is
another link in the long 700-R4 bolt pattern discussion from last year.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer (15 years) - GM Powertrain - Parma
Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:19:36 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem

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sounds like a flooding condition such as high floatlevel or bad float er =
sink rather..kk
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    To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 7:17 AM
    Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem
   =20
   =20
    Subject: Carter Carburator problem
           =20
           =20
               =20
                I have a Carter carburetor (650) and the other day I =
decided to rebuild it.
            All went well except that my carburetor bogs down on idle.  =
right now it dies on idle.  at WOT it is awesome but at low rpm's with =
little gas pedal it dies and acts like it is running out of gas.
            I set the floats "up" position to 5/16 and down position to =
15/16 like the instructions said.=20
           =20
            Dunno about Carter's specifically, but..
            Stalling at idle -- Idle jets clogged, air leak in =
manifold-to-carb gasket, vacuum leak are possibilities. Balking at light =
throttle could be all those things plus accelerator pump and checkvalve =
ball. You said you rebuilt it - did you check that the internal gaskets =
from the rebuild kit are EXACTLY the same as the original? I rebuilt a =
Rochester 2 bl once that refused to idle afterward. Turned out the NAPA =
rebuild kit had the wrong gasket - only one tiny hole was different. And =
didja put the hoses back in the same locations?
            =20
            Overall it might be cheaper to get a used Quadrajet (I =
assime this is an Olds) then mess with the Carter.
            =20
            drc
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to=20
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well except=20
            that my carburetor bogs down on idle.&nbsp; right now it =
dies on=20
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little gas=20
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            gas.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>I set the =
floats=20
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like the=20
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            <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dunno about Carter's =
specifically,=20
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jets=20
            clogged, air leak in manifold-to-carb gasket, vacuum leak =
are=20
            possibilities. Balking at light throttle could be all those =
things=20
            plus accelerator pump and checkvalve ball. You said you =
rebuilt it -=20
            did you check that the internal gaskets from the rebuild kit =
are=20
            EXACTLY the same as the original? I rebuilt a Rochester 2 bl =
once=20
            that refused to idle afterward. Turned out the NAPA rebuild =
kit had=20
            the wrong gasket - only one tiny hole was different. And =
didja put=20
            the hoses back in the same locations?</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Overall it might be =
cheaper to get a=20
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:35:45 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: BOP 700-R4

Message text written by Steve Ochs
>This was always the limitign factor that prevented the F-car from getting
the 3800.  When the repaceable bell housing came out, other applications
other than Chevy could be used.  <

I forgot one exception to this rule.  The 1989? Pontiac Anniversary Trans
Am with the 3.8l Buick Turbo from the Grand National.  Of course this
F-body had a Buick 3.8l in it BUT it used the 200-4R trannsmission which
was unique for the F-car.


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:08:54 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Body ID tag, paint codes

List members,
  Will someone decode the following body trim tag for me.  It is as
follows:

ST

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:17:25 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Body trim tag

List members,
 Will someone decode the trim tag for me.  It reads as follows:

   ST 73    3AG37LAN396651  BDY
   TR 949           48 48   PNT
   01E      AN7       D55
 What color paint is 48?  Do the AN7 and D55 refer to particular options
this 1973 442 has? The car's VIN is 3G37U3M293034.  Does the U indicate
the car was equipped with a 455?
  Any help will be appreciated.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:38:15 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: '58 Fiestas

Thanks Paul!

The grills are chrome/stainless.  So it's a '58 Ninety Eight/Super 88.

You're right.  I'm looking for a '58 Wagon.  In fact one that's red/white
would be even better.

So if anybody's got a line on one I'd really appreciate hearing from you.

TIA,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible


>Where's that '58 Fiesta guy at?  I have some more information for him...
>
>Look closely at that picture that we've been discussing (the one that
>shows the cowl vent grills).  On Ninety Eight/Super 88 models these
>grills are chrome/stainless, on Dynamic 88 models they are painted body
>color.  I looked at the '58s at Springfield last week and noticed this
>difference.  Can you tell what they are in your photo?
>
>Also, there was a '57 Fiesta on the Bulletin Board for sale, but I
>didn't get the information - figured you were stuck on the '58s.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:49:34 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Need h*lp with a measurement

Anybody know the height of a stock 455 intake manifold?

I'm going to be building a 425 in a 455 block, using an Edelbrock manifold
and I'm trying to see how much clearance I'll end with.

Could really use the h*lp.

TIA,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 13:08:28 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: W31 exhaust manifolds

I have what are believed to be 70 W31 ehaust manifolds. I am not sure if they
are or not, I got them with the car when I bought it. Is there any way to tell
what they are? The have a four and a one on them. Can somebody please tell me
if these are the correct manifolds?
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
70 Cutlass W31
70 Rallye 350

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:40:09 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: OOPS

Looks good,but I don't rember the question.Sorry,


John M wrote:

> sorry,make that :
>         http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/GW30
>      John
>
> ==
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> 1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
> 1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
>  mailto:super442@yahoo.com
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:36:02 -0400
From: Scott Stefanich <sstefani@up.net>
Subject: WANTED: 442 Conv. Frame

I was wondering:

Is the '68 4-4-2 hardtop frame too different from the convertible
frame to be modified for a convertible body?

- -I am interested in buying a solid (southern?) conv. frame or chassis.
If you have one or know where I can purchase one, please contact me.

Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:01:10 -0700
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: olds tv

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charachter was buying his car,  year unknown,  the music playing in te
backround was was EVERYBODY LOVES MY ROCKET 88.

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			66 F-85 cutlass
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:06:27 -0400
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Body trim tag

flynt myrick wrote:
>
> List members,
>  Will someone decode the trim tag for me.  It reads as follows:
>
>    ST 73    3AG37LAN396651  BDY
>    TR 949           48 48   PNT
>    01E      AN7       D55
>  What color paint is 48?  Do the AN7 and D55 refer to particular options
> this 1973 442 has? The car's VIN is 3G37U3M293034.  Does the U indicate
> the car was equipped with a 455?

VIN 3G37U3M293034
3=OLDS
G=Cutlass S (Hurst Olds)
37=Colonnade Hardtop Coupe
U=455, 4 BC, 8-cyl, 250hp, Dual Exhaust
3=1973
M=Lansing MI. (All Hurst Olds Produced Here)
293034=Production number.


ST 73=model year

3AG37LAN396651 BDY
3=G.M. Oldsmobile (G.M. division)
AG=Cutlass S (Series)
37=2 door hardtop coupe (Style)
LAN=Lansing Michigan (Assembly plant)
396651= (production sequence)

TR 949= Trim Number Bucket Seats/Saddel color

PNT 48 48=Upper & Lower paint codes, Brewster Green on both.

01E= Build Date Code, 01=Jan/E=5th week

AN7=Seat Code, Swivel Bucket

D55=Couldn't locate this, I think the D is DAY Shift....
                             Hope this helps
                                 Joe

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:18:44 EDT
From: <BlueBlows@aol.com>
Subject: '49 Rocket Valve Covers

I recently purchased a set of chrome valve covers for a 1949 303ci. Rocket.
These were thought to be possibly an original dealer promo item such as the
see-through hoods that were used for dealership promotions. I was wondering if
anyone has heard of this and has any information about them?

I realize these could be aftermarket as anyone can chrome some valve covers,
but what made me wonder are the wire looms. The Oldsmobile Rocket script on
the original valve cover is recessed(ie backstamped). They are also made of
aluminum. The looms on the chrome valve covers are steel and are chrome as
well. The looms are exactly as the originals except the script is not
backstamped. I thought it would be odd for an aftermarket chrome valve covers
to have the correct wire looms in chromed steel.

What do you think? Have you heard anything about these? Are they just an
aftermarke item or a factory piece?

Any info would be helpful!
Thanks, Mike Gahagan
BlueBlows @ AOL

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:33:37 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: National Pictures

I have added three pages worth of '98 Nat's Pictures. Check them out at
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
and click the nationals 1998 link
Please sign the guestbook!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:55:17 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: Fastball video.

This is really taking off!

Just saw the Fastball video ("Anyone can see the road that they walk on is
paved in gold..") .  The whole band in a mid-seventies convertible Delta,
maroonish-red.. Whose car is that?

Erik
'69 Cutlass convert

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:52:24 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: IDIOT light

The IDIOT light on a 72 Cut. with a 350 has been coming on while idling
lately, like at stop lights, turning off to get gas, and then when I drive
it seems to go off. I changed thermostat today and no hot light,while
setting in driveway. Then took off and a while down the road RED LIGHT!!!
Got back home ,released pressure cap and it was not hot???So then I took the
connectorwire off, red light went off, put wire back on and NO hot
light!!??? Any thoughts?? TIA, Jack

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:15:13 EDT
From: <R442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: IDIOT light

Jack
One thing I would check is the ground strap from the body to the engine. If
that is missing or gone it could mess with your idiot lights.Hope this helps.



Rob Van Vleet
66 442

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:32:05 -0600
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@hotmail.com>
Subject: ISO Rear end

I'm looking for a rear end for a 68-72 A-Body.  Prefer something in the mid
3s and posi, but will consider anything.

Something in the Boise, Idaho area would be nice, but I will drive to pick
up if necessary.  I'm not so sure about shipping on such a piece!

Thanks for any information.
Bob
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----
 Robert J. Lavey			mailto://rjlavey@hotmail.com
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.			Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302			Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:56:47 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: IDIOT light

Hey Jack,

You might want to try a new temp. sending unit.  They aren't very
expensive.

- -greg

p.s. did you get all the parts?
- -----Original Message-----
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 5:52 PM
Subject: IDIOT light


>The IDIOT light on a 72 Cut. with a 350 has been coming on while
idling
>lately, like at stop lights, turning off to get gas, and then when I
drive
>it seems to go off. I changed thermostat today and no hot light,while
>setting in driveway. Then took off and a while down the road RED
LIGHT!!!
>Got back home ,released pressure cap and it was not hot???So then I
took the
>connectorwire off, red light went off, put wire back on and NO hot
>light!!??? Any thoughts?? TIA, Jack
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:01:46 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Body trim tag

Joe & Toni Artwell wrote:

> G=Cutlass S (Hurst Olds)

This doesn't automatically make it a Hurst.

> D55=Couldn't locate this, I think the D is DAY Shift....

D55 is the option code for the Sports Console.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:13:56 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Convert. F/S

Usual disclaimers apply, I went and looked at it only, didn't talk to
anyone:

Call Mike at 517.263.9144
$2350
350 4bbl 4 spd. needs good paint. was yellow w/ black interior

Needs:
rear shocks
new top
wheel cylinder
passenger door
patching on rt ft fender
rear quarters need welded
rear floor is bad
trunk has 2 little bad spots
Bad frame by rear bumper
new CUTLASS fender scripts
OLDSMOBILE trunk letters
quarter lights
top boot
crusty steering wheel
rear sits-small rips
Drivers bucket-back is messed up
could use new pedals
top of windshield trim is tor a little on drivers side

Has:
Front bumper
RT FT fender.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:14:07 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Convert. F/S

Usual disclaimers apply, I went and looked at it only, didn't talk to
anyone:

Call Mike at 517.263.9144
$2350
350 4bbl 4 spd. needs good paint. was yellow w/ black interior

Needs:
rear shocks
new top
wheel cylinder
passenger door
patching on rt ft fender
rear quarters need welded
rear floor is bad
trunk has 2 little bad spots
Bad frame by rear bumper
new CUTLASS fender scripts
OLDSMOBILE trunk letters
quarter lights
top boot
crusty steering wheel
rear sits-small rips
Drivers bucket-back is messed up
could use new pedals
top of windshield trim is tor a little on drivers side

Has:
Rear bumper
RT FT fender.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:21:42 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Parting Car

Thanks

Perhaps if i get a 69 or 70 I will do the same thing  --- NOT

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Parting Car
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 9:59 AM
>
>
>
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
>
> > Maximum pricing on any part $20 plus shipping
>
> What a deal, I wish I had one of these so I could get sucha great deal on
> parts!!!
>
> Jim
> 69 '442 conv
>
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:33:48 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Parting Car

Greg I just put the car into storage.  I know the front bumper was very
very good
As for the wood grain pieces, well to say it plainly I never looked cause i
didn't care.
The glove box is light blue in color and i have the key

Do you have a large rear sway bar
or power windows
Hows your center link

The interior was really nice so i sure a lot of the interior pieces will be
OK
I will let you know on the interior pieces
The bumper is $20 plus shipping

Boy is that cheap, you better speak highly of me next big event
Is there anything else?

Let me know


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Parting Car
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 7:15 AM
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> '78 Delta huh? That's my car! Does it have any nice options?
>
> I could use a good dash plastic woodgrain center section (the big
> piece around the center vents, radio & lighter) if it has a square cutout

> for both cruise/defog switches (not just 1) and no circle cut for a right

> remote mirror.
>
> I could use the little 1" long plastic chrome trim for the passenger side

> fender at the A-pillar.
>
> If the front bumper is in good shape I could use that.
>
> Does it have the guage package?
>
> I would be looking for a red glovebox door, or at least one without any
> cracks in the vinyl that could be dyed. You'd need to get the lock
> assembly removed for me first (need a key).
>
> If I think of anything else I'll let you know. Look forward to hearing
> back from you. Thanks!
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:43:55 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 65 Posi 4 Sale

For any one interested...... i know of a 65 posi for sale. its out of a 442
and has 3:42 gears in it. i talked the guy down to $300 for it but offer him
something lower and see if he will take it. he is located in arizona. Email
is............... UltiProd@ix.netcom.com. usual disclaimers apply.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:36:40 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: 1972 Hurst 441 Indy Pace Car??? long

Hi everyone,

I need your input on a car I saw advertised today.

Here's the description: 1972 Olds Hurst 442 Indy Pace Car
one of 227 produced
Solid unmolested California Car
455 Performance Engine (rebuilt sometime ago)
THM400
Hurst His/Her Shifter
3.23 rear with w-27 cover
power disc brakes
power windows
power door locks
power seats
Rallye suspension
SSIII rims
Color is white with Gold stripes (Just like the screensaver car)
Run & Drive great
$7,500 or Best offer

I talked to the owner and he says the front buckets could use redoing and
the front carpet could be replaced, the only rust is under the decal on the
left rear 1/4 panel behind the wheel, Might want to paint if car is to be
shown.

I'll probably go look at it next weekend, he's at Carlisle this weekend.

The questions I have are: Was there such a car made in 72?  I know there was
the 70 Indy Pace Car.

What should I look for as far as checking numbers to definetely id this
vehicle?

455 hipo engine, W30?    From the cars I saw at Carlisle today I don't think
the price is bad, there was a W30 in need of a paint job for $13,500 and an
early 70's 442 convertible for $14,500. Oh yeah, and a piece of junk 72
Supreme parts car for $50. Should have bought it, I could use the
windshield.

Anyway, please give me some input on what you guys think.

Thanks,
Randy

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:19:37 -0600
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale

Hi Brent,

At 07:43 PM 7/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>For any one interested...... i know of a 65 posi for sale. its out of a 442
>and has 3:42 gears in it. i talked the guy down to $300 for it but offer him
>something lower and see if he will take it. he is located in arizona. Email
>is............... UltiProd@ix.netcom.com. usual disclaimers apply.
>
>Brent
>1967 Cutlass Convertible
>http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

How come you're not buying it?

I'm looking for a rear end for a '68 442.  According to the FAQ, the '65 is
1/4" narrower, which is no big deal.

Bob

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 Robert J. Lavey			mailto://rjlavey@hotmail.com
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.			Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302			Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:16:34 -0400
From: Joseph & Kurt Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Spark plug question

Took my 72 out for a ride this evening and happened to open the hood
while it was dark and I thought I saw faint light coming from my spark
plugs as the engine was running. Have I gone off the deep end? Any
thoughts appreciated. Thanks

Joe

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:12:06 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale

is it a type O 12 bolt?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrt67@aol.com <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 4:45 PM
Subject: 65 Posi 4 Sale


>For any one interested...... i know of a 65 posi for sale. its out of a 442
>and has 3:42 gears in it. i talked the guy down to $300 for it but offer
him
>something lower and see if he will take it. he is located in arizona. Email
>is............... UltiProd@ix.netcom.com. usual disclaimers apply.
>
>Brent
>1967 Cutlass Convertible
>http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:36:22 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plug question

At 11:16 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Took my 72 out for a ride this evening and happened to open the hood
>while it was dark and I thought I saw faint light coming from my spark
>plugs as the engine was running. Have I gone off the deep end? Any
>thoughts appreciated. Thanks
>

I'd say you have some cracked plug wires.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:08:29 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 Hurst 441 Indy Pace Car??? long

Sounds like it is legitimate Hurst/Olds. Things to look for besides what you
listed:

W45 on cowl tag
Foil decal on glove box door with H/O emblem on the decal
Gold stripes should be fade-out and reflective
Leather-like grain off-white vinyl top with greenish-gold tint

Actually, this car is a Cutlass Supreme and not a 442. The items you listed
are all right, but it would have Cutlass Supreme trim. It should have the 442
cut-out rear bumper, though.

A handful of W30s were built, and you can tell one of them by an X in the VIN.
They are exceptionally rare, though. The 455 in the H/O was a standard 455 for
'72. No modifications were made to the motor for H/O duty.

Hope this helps,

Jon

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:42:52 -0700
From: Dan McCormick <dan.mccormick@pnn.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:03:43 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale

honestly just cant afford it. i need $$$ for body work first befor i can
upgrade my rearend.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:57:35 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plug question

Are you sure it wasn't the plug wires arcing because they are old/bad? My
truck did that when I bought it..underhood at night looked like a light show!
Idle cleared up nice when I replaced them! Dorian

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 00:23:36 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Posi 4 Sale

> ----Original Message-----
> From: Cnvrt67@aol.com <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 4:45 PM
> Subject: 65 Posi 4 Sale
>
> >For any one interested...... i know of a 65 posi for sale. its out of a 442
> >and has 3:42 gears in it. i talked the guy down to $300 for it but offer
> him
> >something lower and see if he will take it. he is located in arizona. Email
> >is............... UltiProd@ix.netcom.com. usual disclaimers apply.
> >
> >Brent
> >1967 Cutlass Convertible
> >http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> is it a type O 12 bolt?




 Kerry,
  The type O axle was not produced until late 1966.  Most 65 4-4-2's will have
the B axle.

Brent,
  3.42 was not a ratio available in 1965.  Are you sure of the ratio or year?


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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