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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 20 1998        Volume 01 : Number 1379



Re: Spark plugs
RE: 10-bolt Questions!!!!!
Kurt Karch wins the "GOLD"!
Anyone in NY?
Re: TX Heatwave Custom Truck and Car Show
Re: Karch's 69 H/O
RE: Karch's 69 H/O
Re: 72 Points Dist. & 72 Quadra Carb 4 sale
Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE - A Carb Problem? (Me too...)
RE: 69 Brake Parts
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)
Re: What to do?
Re: Spark plugs
Re: Spark plugs
Re: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
Re: weekend play
Re: weekend play
MY DELTA 88 is has to GO
Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO
Re: olds dealer in lansing?
Fwd: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........
Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?
Re: Carb Problem?
Re: Which vendor Jim?
G-body interior parts
Rapidfires
'80 350 engine paint?
Returned mail: User unknown
GM B-Body LIST
Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO
Fw: goody bags
found a car
RE JWO, editing and Penny Casteele
Info
Re: '80 350 engine paint?
Re: Rapidfires
More Olds on TV
Re: Rapidfires
Re: '80 350 engine paint?
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: Spark plugs
wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
progress up date!!
OPC Meet in Fairfield, OH
Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
Re: '80 350 engine paint?
Re: progress up date!!
Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
Re: progress up date!!
Gone Oldsmobilling...
Re: '80 350 engine paint?
Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Re: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........
Re: More Olds on TV
Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)
Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...
Re: '80 350 engine paint?
Re: block hugger headers

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:14:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Spark plugs

<snipped>
>. I would suggest sticking with
>the correct A.C. Delco plugs.
>

Doesn't Champion make all AC Delco plugs now?

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:04:49 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: 10-bolt Questions!!!!!

Matt,
	in all likelihood, you have a 28 spline diff. Usually the 30 spline
will come in the 12-bolt (cover) diff., which is more come for 69-71 Olds.
From '72 onward, the corp. 10-bolt was in effect, which used 28 spline
axles. Your '77 would most probably have 28 spline axles. One way to check
is to reference a chassis. I'm sure a library would have repair manuals for
your year car. Other way is to pull an axle out and count the ridges in the
end.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Matt Cremean [SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
> Sent:	Saturday, July 18, 1998 6:48 AM
> To:	Oldsmobile List
> Subject:	10-bolt Questions!!!!!
>
> How many axle slpines do these have?
>
> I need to know because my baby will be out soon and broken in, and I
> want to put a gear and posi in her. The reason I ask is because Auburn
> and Richmond advertise gears for 70-76 F85 with 30 splines, but Auburn's
> posi for 30 splines says 1989-Present, while the one for 28 splines says
> 1988 & Prior. I'M CONFUSED!!!!!!! PLEASE H*LP!!!!
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>          777777 33333
>             77      33
> Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>           77        33
>          77     33333
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:04:40 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Kurt Karch wins the "GOLD"!

Gang,

This is part of an e-mail I just got from Kurt Karch.  It's good to see
that a "correct" paint job can make a difference.  I apologize for his
use of all caps, but that's how he does it.  I was sorta amused by the
fact that one guy couldn't believe the paint should have some green tint
to it.  I guess an education is in order.... :)  The weirdness of that
paint is that it's SUPPOSED to be a tinge greenish.  Unless in direct
sun, then bright gold.  Funky, but cool.  One problem that the original
paint had was that it was put on paper thin, and faded badly to a almost
beige/light tan color, then white eventually especially on the hood and
roof.  Just did not hold up well to heat and sun.  The color samples I
have sprayed nearly are identical to the inside door sill original paint
on my car.  A bit better luster, though, of course.  Same flake
structure though.  And for the purists, 5196LO was the original laquer
DuPont code for the gold.  However, conveniently, DuPont cannot find any
history on this number.  If any of you paint gurus out there can help
out on THIS number....

Mike Rothe

> JUST GOT BACK FROM SPRINGFIELD WHERE MY OLD BUCKET OF BOLTS '69 FINALLY WON
> BEST
> OF CLASS IN THE 68-72  HURST CLASS.     I THINK THE PAINT IS WHAT PUT ME
> OVER THE COMPETITION!!!
>
<SNIP>

> MOST PEOPLE FOAMED OVER THE NEW PAINT..... HOWEVER ONE GUY ALMOST COULDN'T
> BELIEVE THAT THE NEW COLOR COULD POSSIBLY BE CORRECT WITH THAT GREEN
> TINT....
> I MEAN HE WAS SHOCKED THAT THE 69 ADVISOR WOULD EVEN BELIEVE IT WAS
> CORRECT.....
> OH WELL, CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE.
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:16:57 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Anyone in NY?

Does anyone on this list live near Gasport, NY? It's about 30 miles north east
of Buffalo, within 10 miles of Lockport, NY.

If you do, please reply privately to me at Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
.
Thanks!
- --
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http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:11:27 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TX Heatwave Custom Truck and Car Show

Texas Heatwave Custom Truck and Car Show.
One of the country's largest car shows at Travis County Expo Center in
Austin, Texas. 512/448-5849. Fri-Sun July 24-26.

$10 per adult.
$20 weekend 3 day pass, available Fri.

Car Competition, Crank it Up, Burn-out, Bikini Competition, and more.

Would anyone like to hook up? E-mail me back privately--thanx.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER.
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:16:39 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Karch's 69 H/O

> I'm sure everybody would be interested in this but especially Mike
> Rothe.  I checked out Kurt Karch's 69 H/O while in Springfield and I
> also talked with him for about an hour.

Chris, that wasn't YOU that was doubting the green tint, was it?  ;)
Kurt sure does have a beautiful ride, doesn't he?  He also has some
original gold overspray on the frame area and stabilizer bar area as
well.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:24:39 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Karch's 69 H/O

No not me.  I've never seen any original paint to even consider it
having a green tint, nor do I know enough about 69 H/O specifics, like
the gold paint , to even dream up a statement like that.

But I now know what Firefrost gold is ~supposed~ to look like.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Mike Rothe.[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 20, 1998 2:16 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Karch's 69 H/O
>
>> I'm sure everybody would be interested in this but especially Mike
>> Rothe.  I checked out Kurt Karch's 69 H/O while in Springfield and I
>> also talked with him for about an hour.
>
>Chris, that wasn't YOU that was doubting the green tint, was it?  ;)
>Kurt sure does have a beautiful ride, doesn't he?  He also has some
>original gold overspray on the frame area and stabilizer bar area as
>well.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:26:51 EDT
From: <JDess@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Points Dist. & 72 Quadra Carb 4 sale

In a message dated 98-07-20 13:06:46 EDT, you write:

<< The quadrajet is also form a 72 442 with a 350. This is the original
 numbers carb that came with the car. IT is partially dissasembled but all
 the parts are there. It is rebuildable. I'm asking $30.00 for it. >>


  H Peter,
  I'd be interested in buying the quadrajet,  Where are you located?
  Joe Dessel
   jdess@aol.com
   341 Old Newark Valley Rd.
   Endicott, NY 13760

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:30:06 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME, PLEASE - A Carb Problem? (Me too...)

Chris,
     My car has similar problems as what you are describing. I have screwed
with everything possible short of changing the cam and timing chain, and
checking the metal plugs inside the carburetor, to make sure they aren't
leaking.
     My symptoms are: terrible idle at 800-1200RPM, no matter what. WOT take
off, definate hesitation, IE no gas into the engine when there should be. Also
no problems once the car is moving and I mash the pedal, but I attribute that
to the RPM's being above idle speed.
     I also get what I consider bad mileage, 13 mpg w/403, THM400, 2.56 gears,
'86 Salon, in the city, 18 freeway. Thats being gentle on the throttle. That
13 is pretty consistent unless I do absolutely no stop and go. After learning
that those plugs can leak, I believe that is what is causing my bad idle,
since no adjustment has changed the bad idle. Whats anybody else think about
the MPG? High low or average? The 403 is bone stock with the Quadrajet. And
how about those plugs leaking? Definite symptom or wishful thinking?  Dorian

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:36:36 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: RE: 69 Brake Parts

At 12:57 PM 7/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't places like Fusick or Supercars carry these?

Fusicks had them for my '66

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:04:25 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

In a message dated 98-07-20 09:33:45 EDT, you write:

<< I saw this car there and it didn't look to hot. It was kind of dirty on the
 inside >>
given it was kinda dirty, this is because the guy actually drives his car and
it has never been restored. it has 61,000 miles on it.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:09:00 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Convertible at Nats. (very interesting)

In a message dated 98-07-20 13:59:10 EDT, you write:

<< ...Strange thing is I always thought there were only 2 69 HO converts
 built, but
 this guys sign in Lansing said 1 of 3.
 Chris Smetana
 ______________

 Perhaps the sign should have read "Number 3 of 2..."   ;-)

 Joe Padavano
 padavano.joe@orbital.com
  >>

befor everyone gets there panties in bunches let me tell you what i heard was
correct. there were 2 originaly built. one of the two was wrecked, so they
built a third. so there should only be 2 true H/O convertibles around. now im
not sure this is correct but this is what i heard.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:59:53 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: What to do?

you could do a title search find out the specifics ie. stolen or not and the
previous owners name etc. then inform him and the police the right thing to
do...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew A. Senko <senko@reston.ans.net>
To: olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: What to do?


>> OTOH, if it ~is~ stolen (and doesn't belong to any of us on the list) you
>> could go "repossess" parts of it, like wheels, etc. and ~then~ call the
cops
>> on the guy!!!!!  Hard to report parts stolen when cops find a stolen car
in
>> your backyard!!! (you didn't hear it from me, though! :)
>
>
>"...and doesn't belong to any of us on the list..."
>
>It belonged to ~someone~.  Someone who knew enough about Olds to buy an
>H/O.  And since the former owner doesn't know about our list, this makes
>theft from the thief alright?  Pardon me, but anyone that does this is a
>disgrace and a scumbag in my book.  I would hope that Olds owners would
>stick together better than that.
>
>If you find out that the car is stolen, do you civic duty and report it.
>Don't be a delinquent.  Two wrongs don't make a right.
>--
>Drew
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:02:11 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plugs

well this is all relative AC stands for Albert Champion...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: hitson@leadbelt.com <hitson@leadbelt.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Spark plugs


><snipped>
>>. I would suggest sticking with
>>the correct A.C. Delco plugs.
>>
>
>Doesn't Champion make all AC Delco plugs now?
>
>roger hitson
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:18:21 -0400
From: James Drollinger <jdrollin@dcn.att.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plugs

hitson@leadbelt.com wrote:

> <snipped>
> >. I would suggest sticking with
> >the correct A.C. Delco plugs.
> >
>
> Doesn't Champion make all AC Delco plugs now?
>
> roger hitson

  Got me on this one Roger?  Don't know? What I was getting at more was
a replacement plug by a diff. manufacture can be a physicaly different
plug.  Have seen this with fords also.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:10:26 -0400
From: "dale woodruff" <gisman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible

Please send me more info. Thanks

- ----------
> From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
> To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Selling my '71 cutlass convertible
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:51 PM
>
> I'm putting my '71 cutlass supreme convertible up for sale, $8900..
> The list gets the first chance before I put an ad out.
>
> It's blue with white top, white and black interior.  matching numbers
> 350/TH-350.  P/S, Power disc brakes.  Everything mechanical has
> 40,000 miles on them.  Has a W-25 hood, Hurst dual gate /w console,
> rally III wheels. H-O racing suspension.  Lots of new parts.  Has been
> in it's fair share of car shows and got 901 points in '92.
>
> Just painted in January.  I'm including NOS (new original) GM rear
> quarter panels and door skins.  Current rear quarters have some rot.
>
> Great looking car and runs perfect.  Email me and I'll send you a
> Microsoft Word document with more info and a picture.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:23:31 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: weekend play

I tried and it had no effect and I had the plugs replaced and timing checked
at a shop and everything is good so it is the lifters

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:25:04 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: weekend play

unfortunately I have no od  i thought it would to but it doesn't

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:27:54 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO

unfortunately my car needs to much work i didn't notice until today how much
was actually wrong with it right now I'm not sure if I want to sell the car or
part it out any thoughts

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:34:41 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO

>what year is it ?

>unfortunately my car needs to much work i didn't notice until today how
much
>was actually wrong with it right now I'm not sure if I want to sell the
car or
>part it out any thoughts
>


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:41:53 EDT
From: <MMuss@aol.com>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

Oldest dealer is Story Oldsmobile at:
3165 E. Michigan Ave.
Lansing, MI 48917
(517)351-0400

University Oldsmobile at:
6420 S. Cedar St.
Lansing, MI 48910
(517)393-5700

These are the oldest and are owned by the same outfit.  Karl Story died last
year but his company still owns the stores.
The other former Andres Olds is now:
Crippen Auto Mall, Inc.
8300 W. Saginaw St.
1-800-CRIPPEN
www.crippenautomall.com

These are the oldest and best in town.  Story was/is the largest Olds dealer
in the world.

Good Luck,
Marty

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:57:22 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Fwd: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........

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I just recieved this, and thought I'd pass this on to the list.  I know
someone out there has mentioned who has these as a reproduction (although not
absolutely correct), but perhaps someone has one they'd like to sell.  He's
not on the list - yet.  I'll clue him in to us.

Thanks, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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From: BlueJeepGA@aol.com
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To: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:50:03 EDT
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l bought this car for $500 when l was 15 & fell in love with it. l'm 22 now &
working on repainting it. l've been looking all over for a fiberglass , ram
air hood. Any information on one would be helpful. l live close to Atlanta ,
GA. & soon l'll be moving to Aiken, SC or Augusta, GA. Close will help, but
even if l have to have it shipped thats fine too, l just can't seem to find
one.


           Thanks alot,
                          Chris Reno

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:00:30 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Stop shouting and try this was: *please*/ Carb Problem?

Now this is just an opinion, but .....

I think that the carb problems are bad gas!

As for Sam, sorry, cannot guess without more info.
Not sure what "blubbering"is.

Back to carb.
That is the thing about bad gas, no mater what you do to the engine, it does
NOT go away until you use most of the tank.

A quick fix *might* be to add gas dryer, (yeah you may use isopropyl
alcohol....), fuel stabilizer, and octane booster to the tank, bounce car rear
up and down to mix  and see if it improved.

I say *might* because when it happens to me, I do not realize it is bad gas
until the "problem" clears up.

Last time, my idle was AWFUL. I had to stand on the brakes and give gas to
keep from dying at stop lights. But then 10.25:1 compression, no wonder.

I changed out cap and rotor, and cleaned plugs. Spark was definitely much
better, but idle stil sucked.

I was going out of my mind until I realized what it was (added good gas).

If I am wrong, I hope you guys find the prob!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:15:39 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Carb Problem?

List Members,

        I think Karl has hit on a very enlightening subject. We've had major
problems with this new MTBE fuel eating rubber fuel lines, floats, and any
other rubber carb parts (ie: needle valves). I even have a friend who's car
will stall on him on the slightest cool damp mornings. He has found that dry
gas cures it. The carb shop he had do this carb told him it wasn't the carb
but the fuel now being used. There's lots of bad articles on this stuff in
the back of Hemmings Motor News. If you live in a high population area your
probably using the stuff and didn't even realize it. You would also notice a
MPG drop of 2-4. I did in my new truck. Was getting 16-17 around town now
I'm lucky to see 13. When I fill near a friends house out in the sticks I
gain back that mileage. His area is not required to use that crap gas. Just
my $.02.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:19:35 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Which vendor Jim?

Brent and List

        I have no idea who it was. Only who I think it might be. That is
reserved NO COMMENT! I myself would like to know who this individual really 
is.

Jim Chermack

At 07:28 AM 7/20/1998 PDT, you wrote:
>OK Jim, out with it! Which parts vendor? We've got to know! :-)
>Brent Pinkstaff
>'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)
>
>>A guy who owned a 70 Rally Red W30 wrote a sign and placed it in front
>of his
>>car telling people not to buy from a certain parts vendor telling how
>he was
>>sent the wrong parts, got the wrong parts, and a ton of other
>complaints. Well
>>this certain parts vendor found out about the sign and went over to the
>guys
>>car trying to rip the sign up and take a swipe at the guy who wrote the
>sign.
>>The vendor wasn't to succesful because there were at least 20 guys
>agreeing
>>that this parts vendor was bad and were on this guy's side. A very
>interesting
>>incident!!!
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:25:12 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: G-body interior parts

Message text written by Stephen Hoover
>Just curious on this subject - I am considering getting another mid-80's
442 - are their any interior restoration parts available yet? I am
primarily thinking seat covers, door panels, and the plastic trim.
<


I am not aware of any G-body restoration parts yet, although some are still
available from GM - and junkyards.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:25:14 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rapidfires

Message text written by Joe C.
> posed this question last week but no one responded.  I just installed new
rapid-fire plugs in my 307.  The plugs were pregapped at .045 but the
manual
says to use .060.  Does this make a difference?<

Do not regap them.  I installed these in my 1987 442 and was dissapointed
with the results. It acutally idles worse.  Had them replaced by Delco with
another set - same thing.  I talked to AC Delco Rapidfire program manager
and she said 1) do not regap them, 2) the Rapidfires can sometimes be a
compromise of a couple of different applications which is why the different
gap.  3) If you are not happy, return them under the 30 day? guarantee.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:53:39 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: '80 350 engine paint?

I have decided after taking second too many times at these cars shows I am
determined to get first next time, so I am going to fix the problems the car
has.  The original color of my 350 in the 80 442 is blue.  I noticed that
AutoZone carries a Chrysler blue engine paint that looks nearly identical to
mine. They don't carry an Olds blue.  Is there a substitute brand/color
shade/etc that I can use to paint the 350 in my 442? Also are the exhaust
manifolds gray or black when they come from the factory new? Thanks

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:45:59 -0400 (EDT)
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I have decided after taking second too many times at these cars shows I am
determined to get first next time, so I am going to fix the problems the car
has.  The original color of my 350 in the 80 442 is blue.  I noticed that
AutoZone carries a Chrysler blue engine paint that looks nearly identical to
mine. They don't carry an Olds blue.  Is there a substitute brand/color
shade/etc that I can use to paint the 350 in my 442? Also are the exhaust
manifolds gray or black when they come from the factory new? Thanks

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:52:15, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: GM B-Body LIST

A forward from another list I'm on... He's got a good person to host
this list on a fast server if he get's enough response from people.
Please contact him directly at timwhiting@juno.com

Clayton Pierce,
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Would anyone be interested in joining a LIST for GM's B-Bodys?  I'm
not
just talking about pre-'72 cars, I'm talking about ALL fullsize GM
cars
that were produced up until they killed them in '96.  I haven't been
able
to find a LIST for them, so I'm thinking of starting one myself.  So,
if
anyone else loves these cars as much as I do and would be interested
in
joining a LIST for them, send me an e-mail.
Thanks,

Tim

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Would anyone be interested in joining a LIST for GM's B-Bodys?  I'm
not
just talking about pre-'72 cars, I'm talking about ALL fullsize GM
cars
that were produced up until they killed them in '96.  I haven't been
able
to find a LIST for them, so I'm thinking of starting one myself.  So,
if
anyone else loves these cars as much as I do and would be interested
in
joining a LIST for them, send me an e-mail.
Thanks,

Tim

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:56:03 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: MY DELTA 88 is has to GO

84 delta royale with 88,000 miles 2 door both quarters and doors  need to be
replaced or repaired , fenders hood top vinyl cover and deck lid in perfect
condition car needs new exhaust tires brakes engine still runs strong needs
minor work 4 barrel like new a/c needs charge frame is slighty rusted no rot
new shocks Mass area make offer on car or parts has new tires mounted on z-28
rims teminator muffler and k&n filter and housing I don't want to get rid of
these parts I think these parts alone are worth more than the car i'd be lucky
to get 600 for the car when the tires and rims alone are worth 400 would make
great parts car or if you have the money be a nice car to fix up

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:02:19 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Fw: goody bags

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> From: erik HILL <ehill@gowebway.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: goody bags
> Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 7:50 PM
>
>
> 	
>
> does anyone know how to get your good bag if you didn't make it to the
> nationals   ???
>
>
> erik

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:00:59 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: found a car

i don't know what model the car is i know it's an olds  late 60's early 70's
body has minor surface rustand is sitting on flat tires looks like it's been
sitting for years since now it looks like the houses have been built around
it unless it was tipped on its side and dragged in but thats highly unlikely I
did notice an f65 emblem can anyone tell me what kind of car this is

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1988 02:39:53 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: RE JWO, editing and Penny Casteele

1 - Concerning the mailing of JWO - If you noticed that your mailing
label Zip code was wrong back in the March-May time frame, you should
have contacted us (OCA) to get it corrected. (THIS GOES OUT TO EVERY OCA
MEMBER)

2 - Penny just recieved an award for editing JWO and remember it was not
her profession to edit, she is in the computer industry and did OCA
busness on her Fridays off and evenings.  She was also the CEO of OCA
and had those responsibilities also.
Penny prided herself in running stories as the person wrote them so that
the reader would get the "feel" of the author. Case in point, I
submitted stories and "I" forgot to double check my spelling and
grammar. (Look at any "Rockets OnLine" and see for yourself)

Latest word I got from my chapter's VP is that the editor of the
National Antique Olds Club's newsletter happen to be in Springfield and
should be taking over the editing of JWO soon.  I'll try to keep the
list posted as I get clear info and no rumors.

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy
brad442@erols.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:46 -0400
From: rarservices@iwaynet.net
Subject: Info

Please let me know, if anyone has any info on 1969 w32 parts or cars for
sale.
Thank You

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:02:38 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?

> The original color of my 350 in the 80 442 is blue.  I noticed that AutoZone
> carries a Chrysler blue engine paint that looks nearly identical to mine. 
They
don't carry an Olds blue.

I've always had good luck getting Olds Blue at Napa.  Isn't the Chrysler's blue
a lot more, ummm, solid?  The Olds blue I've used is more of a metallic 
(almost)
teal.  Slight green tint to it.  I think that's stock for the 81, at least.
Don't know how "correct" that color is, I don't remember how the 260 looked
before it cleaned up...  The 80 ~should~ be the same, I'd think...  Keep 
looking
for the Olds Blue, see if they can order it for you, or go elsewhere.  My
suggestions, at least.  Any other 80 owners have differing thoughts???

Don't know about the exhaust manifolds, though.

Oh, Jason, did you get your jacket ?????   ;)


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:11:15 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Rapidfires

I had the exact same symptoms in my 84 307.  The idle was just horrible.  It
was so bad, the car would randomly stall at stoplights.  I had to keep my
foot on the gas just a touch to keep RPM's up.  WOT performance gains were
negligible.

Those plugs didn't last long.  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:27 PM
Subject: Rapidfires


Message text written by Joe C.
> posed this question last week but no one responded.  I just installed new
rapid-fire plugs in my 307.  The plugs were pregapped at .045 but the
manual
says to use .060.  Does this make a difference?<

Do not regap them.  I installed these in my 1987 442 and was dissapointed
with the results. It acutally idles worse.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:28:32 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: More Olds on TV

Anyone notice that stupid American Express commercial with Jerry Seinfeld and
Superman, the one where Superman "looks through that ~glass~ wall to see Lois 
is
in trouble"  At that moment, the camera hits a car sticking out of the alley 
for
a moment.  ~Appears~ to be a 63 Super 88 Ragtop.  Can't tell for sure.  Anyone
seen/noticed, and identify better?  I've never caught it early enough to hit 
the
record button.....

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:31:34 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rapidfires

try splitfires!!!!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:37:44 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?

Charley, thanks I will check the NAPA store here. Oh and thanks for the phone
number for the free jacket. So that is what GM does now since they don't make
cars or trucks :-) I bet it makes more money.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

>I've always had good luck getting Olds Blue at Napa.  Isn't the Chrysler's 
blue
>a lot more, ummm, solid?  The Olds blue I've used is more of a metallic
(almost) >teal.  Slight green tint to it.  I think that's stock for the 81, at
least. >Don't know how "correct" that color is, I don't remember how the 260
looked >before it cleaned up...  The 80 ~should~ be the same, I'd think...  
Keep
looking >for the Olds Blue, see if they can order it for you, or go elsewhere.
My >suggestions, at least.  Any other 80 owners have differing thoughts???

>Oh, Jason, did you get your jacket ?????   ;)

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Charley, thanks I will check the NAPA store here. Oh and thanks for the phone
number for the free jacket. So that is what GM does now since they don't make
cars or trucks :-) I bet it makes more money.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

>I've always had good luck getting Olds Blue at Napa.  Isn't the Chrysler's 
blue
>a lot more, ummm, solid?  The Olds blue I've used is more of a metallic
(almost) >teal.  Slight green tint to it.  I think that's stock for the 81, at
least. >Don't know how "correct" that color is, I don't remember how the 260
looked >before it cleaned up...  The 80 ~should~ be the same, I'd think...  
Keep
looking >for the Olds Blue, see if they can order it for you, or go elsewhere.
My >suggestions, at least.  Any other 80 owners have differing thoughts???

>Oh, Jason, did you get your jacket ?????   ;)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:36:49 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Spark plugs

yes

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:40:22 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

At 09:31 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>try splitfires!!!!
>
do any of these rapidfire or splitfire plugs actually do the things
they claim (better milage, more power etc,)?

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:46:08 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: progress up date!!

hi all!! 2 months ago, i had a fuel filter split (due to sh-tty material
used!) well any ways...the sleeper is back !!!!!!! BUT!!!...i have an oil leak
that I can't pinpoint, it seems to be leaking onto the starter and running
back to the exhaust pipes which is creating smoke.  Anybody have any ideas
what it can be?  Or where it can be coming from?  Etc, etc, etc.

Thanks in advance.

W31Sleeper@aol.com

P.S.  Please e-mail me privately.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:50:13 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: OPC Meet in Fairfield, OH

By a show of hands, does anyone plan on attending the Olds Performance
Chapter Meet in Fairfield, OH on weekend of July 31st to August 1st?  I'll
make the drive but not with my Olds.

Has this show been good the past few years?

John
jgill@idmi.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:52:00 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

> do any of these rapidfire or splitfire plugs actually do the things
> they claim (better milage, more power etc,)?

By theory, a sharp point promotes a stronger, more efficient spark.  Which is
one of the things worn out on a spark plug, and why you ~shouldn't~ use a wire
brush to clean the plugs, it'll dull the edges.  Often when installing plugs,
I'll take a file and grind down the outer electrode to a point,  V insead of
|_|  Don't know if it really helps or not, but it ~seems~ to...  Could be
imagination, though.  Much cheaper than those damn splitfires, though... Good
God!  I ran Bosch Platinums for a number of years (since I managed to find a
set, and ran that set for about three years???  Something like that.)  Anyway,
those platinum plugs have a smaller inner electrode, which promotes better 
spark
(supposedly)  I liked those plugs.  Served me well.  Seemed to perform much
better than normal ones.  Can't see spending 5 or 10 bucks for a plug, though.
Not me!!!


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:49:28 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

Yes they do.  The splitfires that is.  Splitfires last longer, saves gas, more
power.  Mines lasted 5 years until my engine caught on fire.  Did an excellent
job.  Try them you won't be disappointed or your money back (within 30 days).

The sleeper

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:54:38 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?

Jason

        It's called GM Corperate Blue. Available at almost all auto parts
stores. This blue has no metalic in it. It was used on all GM V-8's of that
timeframe.

Jim Chermack

At 07:53 PM 7/20/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>I have decided after taking second too many times at these cars shows I am
determined to get first next time, so I am
>going to fix the problems the car has.  The original color of my 350 in the
80 442 is blue.  I noticed that AutoZone
>carries a Chrysler blue engine paint that looks nearly identical to mine.
They don't carry an Olds blue.  Is there a
>substitute brand/color shade/etc that I can use to paint the 350 in my 442?
Also are the exhaust manifolds gray or black
>when they come from the factory new? Thanks
>
>Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
>98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
>72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:53:37 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: progress up date!!

At 09:46 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>hi all!! 2 months ago, i had a fuel filter split (due to sh-tty material
>used!) well any ways...the sleeper is back !!!!!!! BUT!!!...i have an oil
leak
>that I can't pinpoint, it seems to be leaking onto the starter and running
>back to the exhaust pipes which is creating smoke.  Anybody have any ideas
>what it can be?  Or where it can be coming from?  Etc, etc, etc.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
My first thought would be the dipstick tube.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:00:37 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

the plugs dont or rather cant do what the claim as electricity takes the
path of least resistance the point of the side electrode closest to the
center conductor will be that path these plugs may have a lower internal
resistance but they wont have multiple arcs this cant happen
now go ahead everybody that swears that they work ignore the laws of physics
mechanics electricity and common sense and flame me I dont care...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 6:45 PM
Subject: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)


>At 09:31 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>try splitfires!!!!
>>
>do any of these rapidfire or splitfire plugs actually do the things
>they claim (better milage, more power etc,)?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:06:52 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: progress up date!!

sure dont know what engine but things that can do this are the oil sendin
unit the intake manifold end seals the front or rear oil pan end seals the
valve covers although the covers and il pan will most likely give othe signs
on the heads or dripping toward the front of the engine
hope I helped but somebody will flame me anyway they always do good
luck...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: progress up date!!


>At 09:46 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>hi all!! 2 months ago, i had a fuel filter split (due to sh-tty material
>>used!) well any ways...the sleeper is back !!!!!!! BUT!!!...i have an oil
>leak
>>that I can't pinpoint, it seems to be leaking onto the starter and running
>>back to the exhaust pipes which is creating smoke.  Anybody have any ideas
>>what it can be?  Or where it can be coming from?  Etc, etc, etc.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>My first thought would be the dipstick tube.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:20:18, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: Gone Oldsmobilling...

Me and a buddy took his '83 Cutlass on it's first long trip since a
motor/tranny/rear-end swap.  Specs on the car are 307 H0, quadrajet,
2004R, 3.73:1.  307 has 6A heads on it.  Car is a complete computer
delete (using manual destributor, carb, etc.) and has dual exhaust w/
2 chamber flowmasters.  Original Police 2004R (will downshift at
almost any speed) partially rebuilt to 83-84 H/O specs.  Rear end is
mail order Richmond 3.73:1.  This car runs VERY good for a G-body
with a 307!  We drove it the apx. 1000+ mile round trip to Myrtle
Beach, SC... went cruising town for a little while... had dinner...
showed up some Chevy's... pretty much had a ball.  Oh... the air
works wonderfully too...The car ran very well with no problems.  She
ran a bit hot some of the way (was sufferingly hot in SC) and while
cruising... think he needs to go to a cooler thermostat... using a
195 degree thermostat that he had installed this past winter so that
the choke would kick off sometime before 15 miles down the road...
and so that he had some heat.  Was running upwards of 210 and 220 at
times on this trip... never got much above 220 tho (wouldn't have let
it get THAT hot).

Anyways as I said... had a ball... saw a few Oldses... not many tho.
There was a nice gold G-body in Myrtle Beach... had a pathetic
sounding 6 banger tho.  Saw a late 60's A body or two on the side of
the road... nothing older than the 80's moving tho... not many out
there I guess.  Did see a fastback 40's Chevy and a NICE black '66
Pontiac Tempest.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
(RIP)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, EFI, BW-66, 85k miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe (389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:11:43 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?

the olds blue at napa is the early seventies 455 color the metallic
the color for the late models is GM corporate blue but feel free to use the
other if you like it better it is a cool color..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason P. Labay <jlabay@ee.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?


>Charley, thanks I will check the NAPA store here. Oh and thanks for the
phone number for the free jacket. So that is
>what GM does now since they don't make cars or trucks :-) I bet it makes
more money.
>
>Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
>98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
>72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
>
>>I've always had good luck getting Olds Blue at Napa.  Isn't the Chrysler's
blue
>>a lot more, ummm, solid?  The Olds blue I've used is more of a metallic
(almost)
>>teal.  Slight green tint to it.  I think that's stock for the 81, at
least.
>>Don't know how "correct" that color is, I don't remember how the 260
looked
>>before it cleaned up...  The 80 ~should~ be the same, I'd think...  Keep
looking
>>for the Olds Blue, see if they can order it for you, or go elsewhere.  My
>>suggestions, at least.  Any other 80 owners have differing thoughts???
>
>>Oh, Jason, did you get your jacket ?????   ;)
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:27:02 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

> resistance but they wont have multiple arcs this cant happen
> now go ahead everybody that swears that they work ignore the laws
> of physics

OK, back to the theories, again ;)  True, you won't likely (often) have a dual
spark happening, although it may happen occasionally, just out of
coincidence...   However, it will give the spark a second ~choice~ of where to
occur.
		********************************
Oh, speaking of theory, how about a moment of spark trivia:
			****************
On a plug, which part is the negative electrode, and ~why~???  If no one gets,
I'll answer tomorrow.  (remind me, if I forget! ;)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:15:51 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........

try year-one or brothers..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: Fwd: Hi, l'm a '71 Cutlass "S" owner.........


>I just recieved this, and thought I'd pass this on to the list.  I know
>someone out there has mentioned who has these as a reproduction (although
not
>absolutely correct), but perhaps someone has one they'd like to sell.  He's
>not on the list - yet.  I'll clue him in to us.
>
>Thanks, and Take Care!
>
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:17:25 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds on TV

the new show on fox "that 70's show" has a 69 vista cruiser in aztec gold in
the trailers...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 6:29 PM
Subject: More Olds on TV


>Anyone notice that stupid American Express commercial with Jerry Seinfeld
and
>Superman, the one where Superman "looks through that ~glass~ wall to see
Lois is
>in trouble"  At that moment, the camera hits a car sticking out of the
alley for
>a moment.  ~Appears~ to be a 63 Super 88 Ragtop.  Can't tell for sure.
Anyone
>seen/noticed, and identify better?  I've never caught it early enough to
hit the
>record button.....
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:35:17 -0700
From: Ben jacks <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: wierd plugs ( was Re: Rapidfires)

Kerry Kroger wrote:
but they wont have multiple arcs this cant happen

If you involve an MSD they certainly will. If you use something that has 
several
paths with lower resistance it will be more advatagous for use with a product
like the MSD that actually produces several sparks at each occurance of 
firing.

Ben
62 Olds f-85 (for sale) http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:34:53 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Spark trivia, was splitfires, wierd stuff, etc...

the one u bend for gap, cuz it grds. to the block when installed????

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:36:03 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '80 350 engine paint?

> Charley, thanks I will check the NAPA store here.

Yeah, I'm not sure about the differences between GM corp and the Olds Blue.
Never needed to be ~original~ in any of ~my~ Olds's...

> Oh and thanks for the phone number for the free jacket. So that is
> what GM does now since they don't make cars or trucks :-) I bet it
> makes more money.

No doubt about that.  Questions are pretty easy, too...  ;)  Don't forget to
tell all your che*y friends!!  :)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: block hugger headers

 From: Jon442@aol.com
>
> Do they even make block hugger headers for an Olds??
>
> Jon
___________________

I recently picked up a copy of Street Rodder Magazine (side note:  The street
rod crowd has _all_ the toys.  The stuff they sell for street rods is amazing,
and much of it adapts to later cars.  I was looking for a concealed, cable
driven windshield wiper motor setup for my 66 and several companies make such
units - universal application, of course.)  Lo and behold, there's a vendor
marketing block hugger headers for a variety of motors, including Caddy,
Buick, and the 350 Olds.  The picture had a correct Olds-type exhaust flange
bolt pattern, so these should work.  Don't know how well they'd fit a big
block, however, due to the deck height difference.  Unfortunately, I don't
have the magazine handy.  I'll try to publish the company name when I find it.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30



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