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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, July 25 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1388



Re: 86 W30
Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2
Re: 69 brake drum color
RE: 4L80-E/4L60-E
RE: test only do not read
Wheel Colors
Re: Carter Carburator problem
vacation
Re: Carter Carburator problem
4L80-E
700-R4 cases
1973 442 455
Re: 442 $ Value
Re: Please Take Me Off The List
Re: 1973 442 455
Re: 700-R4 cases
Best restoration resources
Re: head gasket help
Re: '68 Toro for parts
Re: Best restoration resources
403 Questions
Re: Carter Carburator problem
Re: Stereo mounting
Re: head gasket help
Re: 69 brake drum color
Re: Best restoration resources
Re: 69 442 Parts
Re: Holy RocketTalk, Oldsman!
Re: Decoding a 62
Unsubscribe!!
Re: Please Take Me Off The List
79 442 Fastback?????
RearEnd ~H*LP~
Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Springfield Pics On Web
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
local salvage yard stuff
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: 79 442 Fastback?????
Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Re: local salvage yard stuff
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)
Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)
Website
Re: Website
Parting Car
Re: 403 Questions
Report from Carlisle
Re: How much oil?
Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up
Re: Website
Re: 403 Questions
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)
Re: 79 442 Fastback?????
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~
Re: Holy RocketTalk, Oldsman!
OLDS FS in local paper
1957 OLDS  CONV FS
Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:06:46 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 86 W30

In a message dated 98-07-24 04:21:57 EDT, you write:

<<
 Looks way cool.  The hood lines are a bit off, though.  Wonder if the scoops
 would be better if narrow, and within the hood's lines...  (you can see at
the
 front where the scoop ends, the line sticking out from inside the scoop.)

 I've been wanting to see one of those on a Gbody for years, though.  I'd
always
 wanted to make one, somehow...

 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/GW30

 Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner >>

I agree Charlie.  It looks real good.  I've thought of doing something like
this (when I find a newer Cutlass in GREAT shape, and once the engine is in, I
would need some extra space.....).  My thoughts were to put on something like
the "Cowl Induction" type of hoods (similar to Camaro/Chevelles of the late
60's), and make it work properly.  This would give some etxra hood clearance
for the air cleaner, etc. that goes on the big block (455, of course..., well,
maybe not 455 cid., but the block anyways..... :-).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:45:51 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2

This topic does come up every year or so, doesn't it?  My vote is that you
can pronounce it any way you want, just as long as you recognize it as an
Oldsmobile.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:52:50 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: 69 brake drum color

I believe that brake drums were unpainted cast iron when the cars came off
the end of the assembly line.  That would mean they would have ranged
through anything from dark grey to rusty red on any particular car.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:01:44 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 4L80-E/4L60-E

I do know the FWD 3800 does not interchange bolt pattern with the RWD
3.8L.  Note, no 3800's were RWD until the 96 (?) Camaro/Firebird.  I
would assume that one is a Chevy pattern, but have never heard.  Anyone
know?

The FWD trans are a narrower bolt pattern, more like the BOP design.

What is the 5L40E?  A 5 sp auto for rear drive?  Hmm, 2.73's in the rear
end, and then 3.5 1st, 2.7 2nd, 1.57 3rd, 1:1 4th, .7 OD?  That would be
AWESOME!  Talk about your cake and eat it too!  The auto version of the
Nash 5sp!  with OD!  Give it to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:03:38 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: test only do not read

OH NO!! I READ IT
AAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Ni!

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:07:47 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Wheel Colors

On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: 69 brake drum color

> . . . Another interesting item I read was the wheels were painted black
if
> wheel disc where used.  They where painted body color if hubcaps were
> used.  Whats the difference between wheel discs and hubcaps?  Are we
> talking the dog dish hubcaps that more or less only cover the lug nuts.
> And the wheel discs cover the whole wheel, essentially.  Or what?

*******************
I believe that's right Chris.  My '68 442 had full wheel covers when I
bought it in 1968, and the wheels were painted black.  The full wheel
covers covered the whole wheel though, so the wheel color really wasn't all
that important.  Beside that, I ended up putting a set of 7-inch wide Super
Stock II wheels onto that car, and sold the original wheels to a Goodyear
tire store.  They wanted those 6-inch wide wheels to sell with snow tires,
and considered them wide wheels in comparison to the standard back then.

In the fall of 1972 I bought a '72 442 W-30 which had the little "dog dish"
hubcaps.  Those wheels were painted yellow, to match the car.  I moved the
Super Stock II wheels from the '68 (really 1970 wheels) over to the '72,
and put the yellow wheels onto the '68 before I sold it - behind the
original full wheel covers.  By the way, I still have the original yellow
wheel that the spare tire was mounted on in that '72.  I don't remember why
it didn't go with the car, when I sold it.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:09:06 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem

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Does anyone have any info on this subject?????
I need help bad.  none of the book stores around here have any info on =
Carters..
TIA
Brett Wilson
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
    To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 7:15 AM
    Subject: Carter Carburator problem
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rebuild it.
    All went well except that my carburetor bogs down on idle.  right =
now it dies on idle.  at WOT it is awesome but at low rpm's with little =
gas pedal it dies and acts like it is running out of gas.
    I set the floats "up" position to 5/16 and down position to 15/16 =
like the instructions said.=20
   =20
    =B7 what could be the cause of this problem?
   =20
    any help is well appreciated.
   =20
    Brett Wilson
    67 Cutlass Convertible
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:17:52 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: vacation

Going off the list for acouple of weeks, my daughter is getting married
and I am a wreck. need Isay more See you all later
  Butch  68 442 post

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:45:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem

>Does anyone have any info on this subject?????
>I need help bad.  none of the book stores around here have any info on
Carters..
>TIA
>Brett Wilson

Brett,

Sorry I can't help you. I know next to nothing about Carters. FWIW, Summit
sells a book on Carter carbs.   (I also know nothing about the book, other
than it's $14.75, catalog #SAD-11, tel 800-230-3030).

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:49:40 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 4L80-E

Message text written by Chris
>So you are saying that this tranny would be a good replacement when
thinking
of using an overdrive trans and want the same strength as a TH-400?  I<

The 4L80-E is just as strong as a THM-400.  I believe almost 60% of the
parts are carryover from the THM-400.  It is the perfect overdrive
replacment for the THM-400.  There are a couple of companies selling the
4L80-E and also selling a controller for it. The nice part of having hte
controller is adjustable shift points and adjustable shift firmness.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:59:09 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 700-R4 cases

Message text written by Dan
>Actually there are a few composite case 700's out there<

The only composite cases I have seen were used with the Chevy 2.8l V-6 in
the S-10 pickup/Blazer.  The2.8L had a modified FWD bolt pattern not
similar to the BOP.  I have a picture of this composite bolt pattern and it
is definitely not a BOP/Chevy pattern.

There was a long discussion about this item 8 months ago.


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS   '87 Olds Cutlass 442  '95 Grand Prix

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:34:47 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1973 442 455

List members,
  I would like to talk to any Olds enthusiast that has a 1973 442.  I
have found one for sale and I have some questions that I would like
answered.  Do people collect this body style or not?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:47:39 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 442 $ Value

flynt myrick wrote:
>
> engine was dirty and the numbers were hard to read. Is a 1973 442 ever
> going to be valuable?  Are people restoring this body style car?  If it
> is a matching numbers 455 car, what do you think the car is worth?

Flynt, Of course it will be valuable.....to you, but that's all that
matters. I'm restoring my 73 (almost done!). Many times, I've been
frustrated and caught myself thinking "Why didn't I buy a 68-72, or a
Ch*v, or a F*rd. They would be so much easier to restore!" But then I
answer right back "Because EVERYBODY has one of those." When I see old
Oldses, they're usually from that vintage. I can only remember 3 times
that I've ever seen a 73 Cutlass/442 on the road, and one of those was
the Centennial, so that doesn't count! The 73 model is such an obscure
car that I love the thought of having one. Sure, it's a pain to find
parts, but it's great knowing that you have a car that no one sees
anymore. Perhaps in the future, it'll be worth more that any 68-72
because there are so many of them, and so little of mine. I'm not saying
that the 68-72 cars suck, I'm just saying that they are somewhat
plentiful. But that's really not fair either, just look at how many
Sh*tvelle SS's there are out there. People have actually dug these
hideous things from the grave!

my $.02
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:50:00 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Please Take Me Off The List

Mike Putz wrote:
>
> Going on vacation for awhile,
>
> Please take me off the list.  Thanks

Charley....

GIVE 'EM DA BIDNESS!!!!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:57:54 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 1973 442 455

flynt myrick wrote:
>
> List members,
>   I would like to talk to any Olds enthusiast that has a 1973 442.  I
> have found one for sale and I have some questions that I would like
> answered.  Do people collect this body style or not?

Got a 73 Cutlass, maybe I can answer some questions.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:17:54 -0400
From: Dan Boone <boone.dan@acd.net>
Subject: Re: 700-R4 cases

Steve Ochs wrote:

>
>
> The only composite cases I have seen were used with the Chevy 2.8l V-6 in
> the S-10 pickup/Blazer.  The2.8L had a modified FWD bolt pattern not
> similar to the BOP.  I have a picture of this composite bolt pattern and it
> is definitely not a BOP/Chevy pattern.
>
> There was a long discussion about this item 8 months ago.
>
> Apparently that discussion wasn't long enough, check with a guy named Mike
> Maiville I believe he now lives in Ionia, MI. Mike and I have talked at
> length about building one of the BOP/Chevy composite case 700's for my 70
> W30. Mike and I both worked in product engineering in Lansing and Mike spent
> many years in the transmission area of the department. Mike is currently
> doing a lot of calibration work for the 3.8 buick turbo race programs and is
> finally opening up his own shop. The cases do exist, I have seen them, my
> only question is how did they get out in the public. The bottom line is the
> cost of the case is as much as a complete 200 and when built it is much
> heavier so the smart thing to do is to build a 200.

   Dan

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:21:47 -0500
From: JC Fredenburg <drolds@geocities.com>
Subject: Best restoration resources

What is the best printed reference to use regarding the restoration of my
70 442?
The car is in very original shape but I would like to make sure that when I
take it apart and clean it, I get it back together the correct way. Would a
factory assembly manual be a good source? Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Josh Fredenburg

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:31:36 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: head gasket help

Rich,

Do you have access to a leakdown tester?  One of those little buggers would
not only clue you in to a bad head gasket, but would also be able to tell you
the condition of the valves and rings.  They're easy to use (all you need is a
good air compressor to make it work) and aren't too expensive, most auto parts
stores have one kind of leakdown tester or another for sale.

Essentially, what the tester does is pressurize the cylinder (both valves
closed) and then tell you how much air is escaping, past the rings, valves, or
any other way the air could escape.  Then you would look into the radiator
opening for bubbles or listen to the dipstick tube for air rushing into the
crankcase.  Be warned that air going past well-worn rings could also be heard
at the dipstick tube, but the bubbles in the radiator would be a dead
giveaway.

Hope this helps.  Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:35:06 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Toro for parts

Sorry this didn't go private, deleted the wrong post.

On the Toronado engine, I'd be interested in the oil filter adapter.  E-mail
me privately with cost and availability.

Ken Snyder
KS7RACING@aol.com
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:27:22 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Best restoration resources

There is a body manual and a factory shop manual that will have, in the
aggregate, all the answers.  Peter

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:15:17 EDT
From: <TERMO1L@aol.com>
Subject: 403 Questions

    I was in the machine shop the other day shooting the shit when the guy who
works there said he had a 403 block, crank, rods and pistons for $75.  He said
the 403 would be an exact fit in place of my 330 in my 66 f-85.  So my first
question is is this true?  Will I have to make any changes what so ever?  If
not I will buy it and start a build up on it for next spring. ( kinda sucks
since the 330 is only 4000 since its rebuild) but I want more power so....
Second is what is a good set of heads for this motor?  He said mine would work
but would they work good?  Would they not be kind of small?  Any help would be
great thanks


Mike

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:03:17 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem

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what model carb? thermoquad, afb, what?
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    To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:12 AM
    Subject: Re: Carter Carburator problem
   =20
   =20
    Does anyone have any info on this subject?????
    I need help bad.  none of the book stores around here have any info =
on Carters..
    TIA
    Brett Wilson
    -----Original Message-----
        From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
        To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
        Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 7:15 AM
        Subject: Carter Carburator problem
       =20
       =20
           =20
            I have a Carter carburetor (650) and the other day I decided =
to rebuild it.
        All went well except that my carburetor bogs down on idle.  =
right now it dies on idle.  at WOT it is awesome but at low rpm's with =
little gas pedal it dies and acts like it is running out of gas.
        I set the floats "up" position to 5/16 and down position to =
15/16 like the instructions said.=20
       =20
        =B7 what could be the cause of this problem?
       =20
        any help is well appreciated.
       =20
        Brett Wilson
        67 Cutlass Convertible
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href=3D"mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca">oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca</A>&g=
t;<BR><B>Date:=20
        </B>Friday, July 24, 1998 7:15 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Carter =
Carburator=20
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</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D3> I have a=20
        Carter carburetor (650) and the other day I decided to rebuild=20
        it.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>All went well =
except that=20
        my carburetor bogs down on idle.&nbsp; right now it dies on =
idle.&nbsp;=20
        at WOT it is awesome but at low rpm's with little gas pedal it =
dies and=20
        acts like it is running out of gas.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>I set the =
floats=20
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the=20
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        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>&middot; what could be the cause of this problem?</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>any help is well appreciated.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Brett Wilson</DIV>
        <DIV>67 Cutlass Convertible</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:23:14 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo mounting

Hi Toby,

A '66 What?  As for stereo installation, there are aftermarket underdash
enclosures (metal) or you can put it out of sight in the glove
compartment, or lastly built into a console.

Good luck,
Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER.
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 163K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.
______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:09:21 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: head gasket help

the best way to do this is to pressurize the cylinder in question then look
for bubbles in the coolant if you dont know which cylinder try them one at a
time until you find the correct one if the leak is into the coolant you will
notice bubbles or in the worst case scenario a mass evacuation of the
radiator also if you have the capability to pressurize the rad you could use
that guage put it on the rad run the engine to see if the pressure goes
above the normal coolant pressure such as to cylinder pressure. sorry for
the lack of punctuation never was an english major...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Etzel, Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: head gasket help


You can also pressurize the radiator and see if it holds pressure over a
period of time. A slow leak will only show up over (say) 24 hrs. Of course
if it is a bad leak you will see it right away. Look at your oil fill cap
and if you see any gray/white residue or moisture that is a good sign of a
leak. It could be an intake or head gasket leak. If you have to add water
real often and can not see any external leaks, than I would suspect a
gasket.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past


> does anybody know how I could check to see if my head gasket is ok
whan i got
> the car the guy told me it had a blown head and for the past week
it has been

Do a compression and/or leak down test. Leak down test should be
below
10%..(The lower % the better) If it is not you have valve/rings/head
gasket
problems.. One or all of the above

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:36:40 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 brake drum color

that would have been my thought as well but others pointed out that the
manual says they were painted a certain paint code but we cant figure out
what that color is the code is 384 I believe...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: 69 brake drum color


>I believe that brake drums were unpainted cast iron when the cars came off
>the end of the assembly line.  That would mean they would have ranged
>through anything from dark grey to rusty red on any particular car.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:42:43 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Best restoration resources

"restoration guide" from motorbooks international by T. Patrick Sullivan,
plus help from the folks on this list
- -----Original Message-----
From: JC Fredenburg <drolds@geocities.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 2:24 PM
Subject: Best restoration resources


>What is the best printed reference to use regarding the restoration of my
>70 442?
>The car is in very original shape but I would like to make sure that when I
>take it apart and clean it, I get it back together the correct way. Would a
>factory assembly manual be a good source? Any help would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Josh Fredenburg
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:40:59 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 Parts

not a thing I need an eyebrow moulding for the left fender got any?
Kerry Kroger

69 442
69 W31 dead RIP
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: 69 442 Parts


>I"ve lost the original or I'd have sent back to the originator,
>
>But I'm always looking for healthy '69 442 parts to make the restoration
>of my convertable that much easier.  Please let me know hat is available
>in your locale, especially for sheetmetal.
>
>TIA
>Jim
>'69 442 conv
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:05:47 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Holy RocketTalk, Oldsman!

> If I can figure out how to make my Netscape software get me there, I
> might try it next week.

Try downloading the newest beta.  I think 4.05 is still the standard (should 
see
a 4.06 soon, I'd suspect, though...)  It's Java enabled, and adds lots of other
little details.  I like it worlds better than the release version shipped with
most ISP software.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:06:36 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Decoding a 62

Concerning the 1962 F-85.....

<< How do I tell if it is a sports or cutlass convertible? >>

Obvious way to tell would be if you have "Cutlass" emblems anywhere on it.
As I do not know what the style packages involved, I wold have to sat that the
only other way would be to compare the VIN or Body Cowl tag (if there is one
it is in the engine bay on the firewall near the master cylinder) with the
info in the Chassis manual.

If you have an owner's manual, that might tell you.

Otherwise, I would assume it to be a Sports Coupe.

And there is NO shame in that!

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:08:57 -0400
From: dinge@sugar-river.net
Subject: Unsubscribe!!

	
	I have enjoyed being a member, but need to free up my e-mail storage.
Please delete me... Thanks

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:14:24 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Please Take Me Off The List

> > Going on vacation for awhile,
> >
> > Please take me off the list.  Thanks
>
> Charley....
>
> GIVE 'EM DA BIDNESS!!!!

Well, 'dis one's gonna be back, so I gotta be nice ;)

Here, check this out...
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm

Oh, and in case you missed that...  here it is again, and again, and again,
after every one of my posts...  :)  Follow the arrows!!!  *j*

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                      \/

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:40:06 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 79 442 Fastback?????

OK, our salesman has this knack for finding cool stuff...  Actually, I ~think~
it's called kids...  Anyway, his kid found this Hot Wheels car.  Labelled as 
78,
called "FlatOut 442"    Fastback, yellow, ground effects, sponsor stickers,
~big~ 442 on doors...  79 Grille, little hood scoop, kinda cool...  Different.
Any sightings???

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:17:11 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: RearEnd ~H*LP~

One more time....... will a 65 442 Posi fit in my 67 convertible ok???? i need
to know bad!!!! Thanks to whoever can help out.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:19:21 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

yes thats right, the pics of the sign are up. check it out at my
website.........

http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

Aol users....... <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html">click
here</A>.
Enjoy and sign the guestbook.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:21:05 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Springfield Pics On Web

Just posted pics from Springfield on my site. here it is again.....

http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

AOL users..... <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html">click here
</A>

Enjoy and sign the guestbook.

Brent Ardo
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:26:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: John M <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

- ---Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
>
> yes thats right, the pics of the sign are up. check it out at my
> website.........

Brent,
      I can't get any of the pics to load,I get the names and the
"image icon",but no pics....Help!!


John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:25:00 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: local salvage yard stuff

Hey gang,

I stopped in a local pick a part yard today between sales calls.  It hasn't
rained much lately and I figured it wouldn't be too muddy, and I was right.
 Not a whole lot on the Olds front here, found one '83 Calais with one
T-top reclining buckets and console (blue),  That's probably the best
g-body they had.

As far as older stuff, a '68-'72 Cutlass Convert.  Not much usable parts on
it but it had a #5 headed 350, and a diff. with a 12 bolt cover.

I figure some one might be really interested in this one; a '70 Vista
Cruiser.  Not one piece of useable sheet metal, but all windows except the
windshield are in decent shape.  Had a 350 also.

Is that 12 bolt worth picking up?  It sort of fits under a g-body Cutlass,
right?  (didn't someone do this swap?)

Anyone else interested should act fast, stuff at this yard doesn't last
long.  If it isn't picked, it gets crushed.  Yard is located in Northern
New Jersey.

Thanks,

Bill Reilly
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:38:36 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

dont know what to tell ya. i think you are the only one having a problem
getting them to show up. keep trying.

Brent
1967 Cutlass convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:26:21 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

to the best of my knowledge it will as long as it is the same type ie. O B/P
C etc need to know this first also 12 vs 10
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrt67@aol.com <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 6:18 PM
Subject: RearEnd ~H*LP~


>One more time....... will a 65 442 Posi fit in my 67 convertible ok???? i
need
>to know bad!!!! Thanks to whoever can help out.
>
>Brent
>1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:45:48 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

In a message dated 98-07-24 21:19:14 EDT, you write:

<< One more time....... will a 65 442 Posi fit in my 67 convertible ok???? i
need
 to know bad!!!! Thanks to whoever can help out.

 Brent
 1967 Cutlass Convertible
  >>

Ok, Brent, I'm not the most knowledgable, but I do have a Hollanders
interchange....as long as this vintage Cutlass can be called an F85(all
Hollanders lists up until '73) it WILL NOT interchange 65-66 only interchange.
Dorian

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:32:32 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 79 442 Fastback?????

yeah had one myself as a kid two actually an orange and a yellow one
have you seen the 69 442 s from racing champions motor trend collection?
many colors to choose from they are w-30s and come with and without stripes
am still looking for the white with black stripe version (it matches my car)
also hotwheels released a 1970 w-30 in yellow with ram hood and cragar ss
wheels......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 5:41 PM
Subject: 79 442 Fastback?????


>OK, our salesman has this knack for finding cool stuff...  Actually, I
~think~
>it's called kids...  Anyway, his kid found this Hot Wheels car.  Labelled
as 78,
>called "FlatOut 442"    Fastback, yellow, ground effects, sponsor stickers,
>~big~ 442 on doors...  79 Grille, little hood scoop, kinda cool...
Different.
>Any sightings???
>
>--
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:51:28 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 4-4-2

I'm gonna pronounce it just the way my tag says it.........

            Four40 2


Mike.......

> This topic does come up every year or so, doesn't it?  My vote is that you
> can pronounce it any way you want, just as long as you recognize it as an
> Oldsmobile.
>
> Tom Stoner
> Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
> Ann Arbor, MI
> tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:49:27 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

> dont know what to tell ya. i think you are the only one having a problem
> getting them to show up. keep trying.

No Brent.  I can't get 'em to work either.  They are loading up as index.html1
to index.html4

Something is wrong with those links, as most browsers won't access html4 as a
file...  Index4.html yes, index.html4, no...

Plus all the images on the page appear as broken links, also.  Assuming it's
because of the *.art extension.  Looks like several problems at work there.
It's not just John.


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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:56:11 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

> Something is wrong with those links, as most browsers won't access html4 as a
> file...  Index4.html yes, index.html4, no...

Yes, it's definately the *.html# extensions.  Rename them to index#.html,
instead...  Should help.  No luck deciphering the pics, though.  I'll be gone
for the weekend, so best luck...

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:57:40 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: local salvage yard stuff

In a message dated 98-07-24 21:30:44 EDT, you write:

<<  a '70 Vista Cruiser.  Not one piece of useable sheet metal, but all
windows except the windshield are in decent shape.  Had a 350 also. >>

Not positive, but I *think* some VC's had dual exh...

just a suggestion for those interested.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:01:00 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

I also cannot get the pics to come up. Free agents just doesn't
recognize whatever type of file you posted them as..!! By the way,
what type of file did you post them as???????

Mike...........

> dont know what to tell ya. i think you are the only one having a problem
> getting them to show up. keep trying.
>
> Brent
> 1967 Cutlass convertible
> http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:09:13 EDT
From: <R442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

Brent as far as Iknow a 65 will fit in a 67 .I have a 66 442 with a 67 rearend
all that was different was the spring perch .no big deal it still worked
great.



Rob Van Vleet

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:19:17 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

In a message dated 98-07-24 21:47:53 EDT, you write:

<< ...as long as this vintage Cutlass can be called an F85 >>

Pretty safe there, for 1965 (and a few other years) all Cutlasses are body
styles of the F-85 model.

(It is true, so no flames please from F-85 4 4 2 owners!)

KA
&SOM

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:20:32 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

Hi Brent,
    I guess you didn't get my previous post, but, your rear-end does not have
the same spline set-up as the 65. I would be interested though.
                                                                         Ron
Forsee
                                                                         65
442-Meister

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:29:03 EDT
From: <Mr57olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

In a message dated 98-07-24 22:00:18 EDT, you write:

<<  also cannot get the pics to come up. Free agents just doesn't
 recognize whatever type of file you posted them as..!! By the way,
 what type of file did you post them as??????? >>
They can up fine for me.  Problem was they are all 70 & 71 cutlasses,  No
'50's
'54 olds
'57 olds
'64 442

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:01:26 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)

ok i did what charlie said. they should work now. they were only working for
people with aol befor. if not let me know.

                         ATTENTION:
if you wanna buy the sign, you have until saterday 12:00 a.m. est to better
the offer of $325. but if you cant see the pics by then for some reason i
might extend it.

http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

Brent Ardo

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:08:29 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)

Brent,

The pages work now, but you still need to fix the links on the
main page. They still refer to the index.html# files.

If you want to see Brent's sign you can go directly to:
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index3.html

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:35:04 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Website

If anyone is on right now..... could you please go to my site if its not to
much trouble and check and see if you can get the olds sign pics and
springfield pics to load correctly? and if it is or isnt let me know. it would
be of great help. also if you are on aol dont bother because it works for aol
users. just tryin to get it to work for the rest of the people.

Thanks
Brent

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:46:08 EDT
From: <Spitty1500@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Website

the pics do indeed work for AOL users...cant help you any further than
that....I like the page

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:50:09 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parting Car

Hi list members

Well I purchase a 78 delta today,  I'm keeping the centerlines and tires
oh and the engine.  But the rest of the car is quite solid and lots of good
parts, so if any of you are looking for cheap parts let me know

Maximum pricing on any part $20 plus shipping
So E me want you want and I will take it off before it goes to the crusher

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:48:34 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 403 Questions

At 07:15 PM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>
>    I was in the machine shop the other day shooting the shit when the guy
who
>works there said he had a 403 block, crank, rods and pistons for $75.  He
said
>the 403 would be an exact fit in place of my 330 in my 66 f-85.  So my first
>question is is this true?

It certalny is true. I have a '66 vista Criuser ( F-85 chassis) and I have
a 403 in it.
any small block heads will fit it, I think 5's are the bes but ant 350
heads will have
smaller combustion chambers than the 87cc 403 heads.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:46:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Report from Carlisle

Just returned from Summer Carlisle.  As usual, it was much smaller than spring
or fall.  There was a fair amount of Olds stuff.  I picked up a red inner
fender for the right side of my 70 W-30 (mine had cracked just behind the
bolts that attach it to the core support).  This particular RH inner had been
previously painted black (!!) and the seller had started to peel off the black
paint to reveal the red plastic.  I had seen it for sale last summer for $100
and later regretted passing on it when I found the crack in mine.  This summer
the same seller was asking $60, took $50.  I dragged it over to a booth
selling paint stripper and got them to try it on a small portion of the
fender.  It removed the black paint easily with no damage to the plastic, so I
bought a gallon.

I also got a pair of very straight headlight bezels for my 66, a wiper motor
for the 70, a flexplate for my truck (guess what I'm doing this weekend), a
complete 14 x 7 SSIII (with excellent trim ring and good center) for $5 (!!),
and a pair of nice armrests for the 70 for $9.

There was a guy from MD with some very nice rust free 69 and 70-72 front
fenders (in the $300-350 range) and trunklids, a nice 62 F-85, a 61 Ninety
Eight convert, a numbers matching 70 W-30 4spd optioned out just like mine for
$13,500 (about $5,000 too high, in my opinion, due to significant bondo in all
four fenders and rust holes in the trunk lid), and a bare 70 W-30 intake for
(sitting down?)...$1,000!!  Saw bunches of consoles (4 spd, AT, and dual
gate), a rusty 84 H/O, a nice 79 H/O (if you like that body style), and a 72
H/O hardtop (no sunroof) for $7,900 (photo only, no car to inspect).  Also a
bare-bones 72 442 (post car, bench, 350/TH350) and a rusty 69 442 4spd Sport
Coupe shell (supposedly had matching short block available) for $750, dropping
to $550 within minutes - still about $300 too high in my opinion.

The coveted "Smoking Good Stuff" Award goes to the seller of a 66 Cutlass
convertible offered for sale _outside_ the fence.  This car honestly did not
have a straight or rustfree panel on it, the top was shredded, interior ripped
and rotted (did I mention the ratty Camaro buckets?), dash cracked, carpets
mouldy, and trim completely pitted.  I glaced at the price on the window and
noted that listed $400 was probably close to the right asking price.  My buddy
pointed out that I had misread the $4,000 asking price!!!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:10:07 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: How much oil?

Ben,

I might also be a '62 Cutlass owner.  It is 5 quarts with the filter.  I
believe that was a kind of industry standard back then except for those 6
quart Pontiacs and my Toronado.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>
>
>craig g broussard wrote:
>
>>  How much oil should a 62 F-85 hold?
>
>  I'm the other owner of the 62 f-85 on the list and as far as I can
remember
>it is 5 quarts
>
>Ben
>
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:45:59 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics are Up

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> I also cannot get the pics to come up. Free agents just doesn't
> recognize whatever type of file you posted them as..!! By the way,
> what type of file did you post them as???????
>
> Mike...........
>
> > dont know what to tell ya. i think you are the only one having a problem
> > getting them to show up. keep trying.

I didn't have a problem getting them to work on Netscape at all.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:50:01 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Website

Spitty1500@aol.com wrote:
>
> the pics do indeed work for AOL users...cant help you any further than
> that....I like the page

They worked for me and I don't have AOL as far as I know.  I'm hooked up
with Infinet here in Ky.  Maybe it's what browser you are using.  I
really have no idea.  FWIW, mine is Netscape Navigator, I think.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:56:00 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 403 Questions

TERMO1L@aol.com wrote:
>
>     I was in the machine shop the other day shooting the shit when the guy 
who
> works there said he had a 403 block, crank, rods and pistons for $75.  He 
said
> the 403 would be an exact fit in place of my 330 in my 66 f-85.  So my first
> question is is this true?  Will I have to make any changes what so ever?  If

Well, considering that all SB Oldses are externally the same dimensions,
I would assume that it would fit right in, that all your accessory
bracketry would fit right in place. I'm by far no expert on this
subject, but this is exactly the kind of stuff that this GREAT LIST has
tought me.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:58:13 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Ok, Brent, I'm not the most knowledgable, but I do have a Hollanders
> interchange....as long as this vintage Cutlass can be called an F85(all
> Hollanders lists up until '73) it WILL NOT interchange 65-66 only 
interchange.
> Dorian

I have a question, then, Dorian. What rears interchange into 73's?

- --
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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:51:13 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Dealership Sign Pics *FIXED* (read if you wanna buy)

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:

> ok i did what charlie said. they should work now. they were only working for
> people with aol befor. if not let me know.
>
> Brent Ardo

Brent,
It's working from this end now.
Cool pics!  Makes me wish even more that I could have been able to attend the
Nationals this year.  Although several of the owners of the Rockets pictured 
are
probably just as glad that I didn't.....as they would have had to wipe the 
drool
off their cars!  Yes, some very nice specimens indeed!  Any names to go with 
the
cars?

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:03:51 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 79 442 Fastback?????

In a message dated 98-07-24 20:41:00 EDT, you write:

<< OK, our salesman has this knack for finding cool stuff...  Actually, I
~think~
 it's called kids...  Anyway, his kid found this Hot Wheels car.  Labelled as
78,
 called "FlatOut 442"    Fastback, yellow, ground effects, sponsor stickers,
 ~big~ 442 on doors...  79 Grille, little hood scoop, kinda cool...
Different.
 Any sightings??? >>

i have 2 of them.  had them for the past 15 years or so.  thing is, im only
19, so.....  get the picture?  boy, i wish i would have known then what i know
now.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:11:58 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

In a message dated 98-07-25 00:56:00 EDT, you write:

<< >
 > Ok, Brent, I'm not the most knowledgable, but I do have a Hollanders
 > interchange....as long as this vintage Cutlass can be called an F85(all
 > Hollanders lists up until '73) it WILL NOT interchange 65-66 only
interchange.
 > Dorian

 I have a question, then, Dorian. What rears interchange into 73's? >>

No prob Matt! I should have stated this before, but BOTH of these axles
(65-66, and 73) are different on Station Wagons than cars of the same vintage.
Anyway, all these are 73-75 exc SW: Century, Chevelle, Cutlass, Grand Prix,
Lemans, Monte Carlo, Regal, and Sprint.   Dorian

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:19:11 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Holy RocketTalk, Oldsman!

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Which worries you the most; the fact that you get answers or the crazy
> answers that you get?

You know  you have split peronsalities when you buy an Olds one time,
then a Buick, then a Lincoln, and a Bimmer and a Firebird and a
Thunderbird and and and..... and like them all.  Truthfully I have been
fortunate over the years in that I have probably bought in excess of a
100 cars and really haven't been lemoned but once or twice.  And one of
them was truly not the cars fault as it only needed a chunk of driver's
fender and the frame rail straighten when I bought it.  Got it back from
the frame shop and had to replace all the front end because of damage
done by the shop.  Nothing worked quite right after that.  But that is
another story and another make.  If only my house would be as enduring
and maintenance free.....

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:25:19 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: OLDS FS in local paper

Gang,

The following ad is in the local newspaper in case anyone is interested.
I know nothing about it, etc, etc.

$900 1967 Olds Cutlass 4 door, A/C, power steering.  606 254-7761 6pm-10
pm

Car is located in Lexington, Ky, about 10 miles from me.  Be glad to
look if anyone talks to the guy and wants me to.  Not an expert, but I
do know something about body work, etc.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:28:44 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: 1957 OLDS  CONV FS

Ad contains no other information than the car is located in New Paris,
Ohio.  Phone number is 937 437-7811.

Usual disclaimers apply, cause I don't know nuthin' about it or the
seller.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:05:24 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~

splin shmine if he's not disassembling it no problem...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: R4C442@aol.com <R4C442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: RearEnd ~H*LP~


>Hi Brent,
>    I guess you didn't get my previous post, but, your rear-end does not
have
>the same spline set-up as the 65. I would be interested though.
>
Ron
>Forsee
>                                                                         65
>442-Meister

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