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HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!
Leaning Cutlass
RE:  Leaning Cutlass
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         Re: 73 Olds Omega                                     7/15/98 12:01 
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Thanks for the info on my Omega.  Is there a way to find out how many were
made with my options?  Thanks again!!


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         '72 CS CONV. PIN STRIPING                             7/15/98 12:47 
PM

Does anyone have detailed pictures of the pin striping that you can e-mail me 
or
is there a web site of the pin striping of a 1972 CS CONV?  Mine just got her
first coat of fresh paint and looks sssweet, but I neglected to take pictures
beforehand!

Thanks for a reply.

David

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:43:49 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

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>
>Does anyone know the bolt size/thread size for exhaust manifold bolts?
>The stainless I am using keep loosening so I thought I would try Stage 8
>locking bolts but forget to bring a sample with me today..
>

3/8's 16
Are you using the  steel things (have no idea what Olds calls them) that
go between two of the manifold bolts and bend over the hex head?

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:33 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: lowering a delta

Now the idea of lowering a car by cutting is great.  And I had the same
question, how can cutting a coil make them stiffer?  Just did not make
sense.  Took some work, and I figured it out.

When you cut a coil, you remove some of the coils, this does lose a
little height, but not a whole lot.

But to the spring, you have put it back in the same location, and by
physics, if you have a spring, with x number of coils in y distance, and
then you remove a coil, you have x-1 in y, and that means it will be
stiffer by physical laws.

I am no physics expert (but I love physics!) so someone with the
official degree can explain it better.

Any ME's out there?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:03:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing

n
>how do I set the fuel mixture (Q-jet).  Do I do it with a vacum gauge or
>what.

Yes. Set to attain max vacuum.

<snipped>>  Do I do this before
>or after I set the timing.
>
I would do it after setting timing.

>Speaking of timing, the engine was 16deg. @1100 in park stock, but with my
>compression and cam change (10.1CR) will this figure change or what.
>Thanks.

I am out of my depth here. Do you have HEI? (don't remember). I would start
with original stock setting, but I'm sure others here will be better able to
advise you.

roger hitson

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:56:07 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!

Am I the only one who has DEEPLY contemplated the idea of a "blow-through"
turbo set-up on the 307/350 w/elec. quadrajet.?

swapping the fan and shroud out for an electric to make room for the
piping,intake, and turbo unit...


*****************         or      ********************


the  150-shot nitrous.


erik,......I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

'88 cut.sup.clsc
307=>350
2.56=>3.73
fast =>faster !

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:54:20 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Leaning Cutlass

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My dad went through this on my 85 when it was his.  He replaced a broken
link kit with one from Autozone.  Note, I said ONE, not both.  And guess
what, the Autozone replacement is not the same size as GM!  Hmm, holds the
swaybar down and hence a lean that no one could figure out.  We replaced
all springs to 442 pieces, new shocks on all 4 corners, new lower control
arm bushings, new ball joints, added 442 rear sway bar, and nothing fixed
it.  But when it took it to Olds, they figured it out.  Cost $100 to find
a $15 problem, that would have been solved if the part was replaced in a
pair.  (note:  if one breaks, the other is close behind!  replace with
good aftermarket pieces, not cheapy OEM replacement!)

Ok, part II, the car is leaning again, I have the 442 front bar, 442 rear
bar, and a polyurethane link kit in the front that is perfect.  It leans
to the side that is closer to a hill, either way it will lean.  Sits a
little level on the road, but a little to the drivers side.  I have not
got into it yet, but I suspect it is the body bushings.  The Buick GN site
has info on how to replace them.  Not too hard, but urethane there will
help the overall stiffness of the car, but may make it harsh if you like a
cushy ride.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



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>        Re: leaning                                           7/15/98
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>
> 85 cutlass supreme leaning to one side passenger side is lower than
driver
> side have replaced shocks put in new stabalizer pin kit still leans
anybody
> have any ideas
>My guess would be the springs.  Shocks (non-air) do nothing for ride
>height, and stabalizer bushing kits don't do anything either.  Well, all
>of this will make it ride nicer, but assuming nothing is bent or out of
>kilter, the springs handle the height.
>
>Mike Rothe

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My dad went through this on my 85 when =
it was his.&nbsp; He replaced a broken link kit with one from =
Autozone.&nbsp; Note, I said ONE, not both.&nbsp; And guess what, the =
Autozone replacement is not the same size as GM!&nbsp; Hmm, holds the =
swaybar down and hence a lean that no one could figure out.&nbsp; We =
replaced all springs to 442 pieces, new shocks on all 4 corners, new =
lower control arm bushings, new ball joints, added 442 rear sway bar, =
and nothing fixed it.&nbsp; But when it took it to Olds, they figured it =
out.&nbsp; Cost $100 to find a $15 problem, that would have been solved =
if the part was replaced in a pair.&nbsp; (note:&nbsp; if one breaks, =
the other is close behind!&nbsp; replace with good aftermarket pieces, =
not cheapy OEM replacement!)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Ok, part II, the car is leaning again, =
I have the 442 front bar, 442 rear bar, and a polyurethane link kit in =
the front that is perfect.&nbsp; It leans to the side that is closer to =
a hill, either way it will lean.&nbsp; Sits a little level on the road, =
but a little to the drivers side.&nbsp; I have not got into it yet, but =
I suspect it is the body bushings.&nbsp; The Buick GN site has info on =
how to replace them.&nbsp; Not too hard, but urethane there will help =
the overall stiffness of the car, but may make it harsh if you like a =
cushy ride.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thomas Martin</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 =
CCC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">91 Bonneville LE 3800</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;Date: 15 Jul 98 16:36:15 =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Re: =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; 85 cutlass supreme leaning to one =
side passenger side is lower than driver</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; side have replaced shocks put in =
new stabalizer pin kit still leans anybody</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; have any ideas </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;My guess would be the =
springs.&nbsp; Shocks (non-air) do nothing for ride</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;height, and stabalizer bushing =
kits don't do anything either.&nbsp; Well, all</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;of this will make it ride nicer, =
but assuming nothing is bent or out of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;kilter, the springs handle the =
height.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;Mike Rothe</FONT>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:56 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  Leaning Cutlass

Not really, I wish this were true, but it is not.  My 76 Delta was
sagging the rear end, and I was going to replace the rear springs, and a
friend of mine's father said to replace the shocks.  Sure enough, it
brought the ride height back to stock.  It seems the car manufacturers
seem to rely on the shock to be somewhat load bearing.  It is not how I
think it should be, but it just ends up being a sick fact.  Check for a
blown shock too, it one is hosed, it will sag that way.


>Keep in mind that shocks (regular shocks, not air shocks) are not
>load-bearing and so do not affect the ride height. That's what
>springs are for. The shocks only dampen the rebound of the springs.


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:08:41 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Mixture on brake-in and timing

Turn both screws in gently until they bottom out, then turn both out 2 turns.
This should let the car idle initially.  After the car is up to temp., turn in
one screw, your choice, until you hear the engine stumble and /or slow down,
then turn it out 1.5 turns.  Repeat this for the other screw.  At this point
you may notice your idle is too high, so readjust idle, then go back and
repeat the idle screw adjustment and idle adjustment until the idle speed
stops increasing.  Yes you can use a vacuum gauge, but the above method had
served my uncle in the garage business for 40 years and I have found it quite
acceptable for the past 26 years.  If your car ends up idling a little lean
you can always richen up the mixture. Remember, no matter how you go about
this, by ear or by vacuum gauge, the idle will change and need to be adjusted
which will cause you to readjust the mixture each time until the idle stops
increasing.

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:16:12 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Lowering a FWD Delta

I know this is not a big issue for the FWD owners, but I have a 91
Bonneville, and I hate how high the front end is as compared to the
rear.  I cut 1/2 coil off the front and saw NO CHANGE in height.  I will
finish it and cut it to 1 full coil, or even 1.5 (total from stock).  I
look at the Bonneville pictures from GM and the car sits much lower than
the ones on the lot.  So, I want that ride height!  Usually it sits
right about 1 in over the top of the tire.  Mine is about 4, too high
for me.

So if you are going to lower it go for 1 full coil to start, 1/2 is too
little.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:20:53 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Leaning Cutlass

I have replaced all shock heavy duty gas shocks in front and air shocks in the
back and new rear springs I was hoping that there might have been something
else beside changing the front springs but I guess not anyone know any easy
way of doing the front shocks on an 85 cutlass or just where should I start
firstt        thanks Rich

81,82,85 cutlass

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         RE: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 10:35 
AM






- ---"Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com> wrote:
>
> I like Flowmasters myself!   Never had a problem and they last a
long time
> and they do not rust.
 -----Original Message-----
> > From:	David L Wyatt [SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]


I agree 100%!!Flowmasters come in 1,2,3 chamber designs.To say the
least 1 chambers are LOUD,2 chambers nice rumble(muffled slightly more
with converter), 3 chambers REAL quiet.Mine have been on my Black car
for about 5 years,no problems ,all my cars,including Frogs442's 91 GMC
van,not LOUD but nice Rumble.
    FLOWMASTER,no exceptions,my .02                   John ==
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1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/index-7.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
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         Treasure Hunt                                         7/15/98 10:27 
AM

Hello all,

Just thought everyone would like to know what I found in my car today
while cleaning it:

Protect-o-Plate
'72 Oldsmobile Owners Manual
'72 Oldsmobile Emmission Control System
'72 Oldsmobile Consumer Information
'72 Oldsmobile New Vehicle Warranty
and a '72 Oldsmobile Pre-Delivery Check List Sheet

All in great condition!! I was stoked!!

Erik B.

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         Spindles, was re: Cutting/heating srpings             7/15/98 1:20 PM

I saw the mentioning of dropped spindles and thought I'd add my cent-and-a-
half.  The local roundy-round racers are always looking for the spindles off
of some years and models (late 60's) of P-word Catalinas.  They say these
lower the car quite well and have a seperate steering arm, like the 70-72 A-
body spindles.  I've heard them also mention that some late 60's Olds models
have a spindle that is similar, just that they are made to use a different
caliper.  I personally know that early 70's C-word (and possibily Oldses)
spindles don't have a bolt-on steering arm, these are the ones we have on our
stock car.

The different spindle heights of various GM cars would be something that would
benefit many people looking to lower their respective cars, anyone have any
information about this?

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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         Re: Muffler recomendations                            7/15/98 12:21 
PM

I put a pair of dyno-max mufflers. These mufflers are aluminum so they last
alot longer than normal steel. They are fairly quiet especially if running
a full exhaust and tailpipes.

- ----------
> From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Muffler recomendations
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 9:05 AM
> > The turbo mufflers that were installed on my 4-4-2 last year are
rattling.
> Yes, they sound like h*ll at idle and are making all kinds of leaking and
> other noises.  Before I get real mad and replace them with glasspacks, I
would
> like to get some feed back on mufflers that seem to last a while.  One
year
> and less than 5000 miles seems a little soon to me.  I do want something
> fairly quiet as I do like to hear the factory radio while driving.
> > TIA,
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2 (hear it rattle in Springfield on Friday)
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:22:11 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Best way to lower a car?

There is a better way to lower your car about 1 in.....

Replace the rubber body to frame bushings with Urethane or Aluminum
spacers.  This will stiffen the car, and lower it about 1 in, and have
no effect on the suspension.  This lowers the body closer to the frame,
and affects nothing else.  There is 6-8 of them.

This only works on frame cars, not unibody like the FWD (most, pre 78
Toro's have frame).

If you like cushy ride, this may not be for you.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:23:08 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Info on a Massachusetts Event

Where in CT

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:25:17 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: carb/gas

Look for leaks in the big hoses to the carb, the vapor canister for
cracks or broken/missing hoses.  Replace gas cap may help too.  This is
pressure sealed system, should not be a vented cap.  All part of
Evaporative emissions control.

Make sure hoses are on the right places.  If they are sucking vacuum on
the bowl vent it can wreak havok.  Vacuum hose routing and good (not
collapsed) hoses are crucial.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:30:02 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Re: Leaning Cutlass

try this:
swap the rear springs from side-to-side, if it still leans and the original
side then concentrate on the front of the car.

this may sound silly but check tire air presure

- ----------
> From: RICH6986@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Leaning Cutlass
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 4:20 PM
>
>
> I have replaced all shock heavy duty gas shocks in front and air shocks
in the
> back and new rear springs I was hoping that there might have been
something
> else beside changing the front springs but I guess not anyone know any
easy
> way of doing the front shocks on an 85 cutlass or just where should I
start
> firstt        thanks Rich
>

> 81,82,85 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:38:23 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Bolts

In a message dated 98-07-16 11:50:22 EDT, you write:

<< Are you using the  steel things (have no idea what Olds calls them) that
 go between two of the manifold bolts and bend over the hex head?
  >>

 I believe they are called "French Locks"     Dorian

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:44:11 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: g-body guys

I know we've been over this once before, but I wasn't paying close
attention...

REAR DISC BRAKES:	

	what are the bolt - on parts from the other gm cars (f-body??) that 
will
bolt-on to the g-body factory rear-end with little or no modification...

I want rear discs !!!

I'll pick up the proportioning valve aftermarket.


erik

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:52:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: juice brakes (non-mopar)

Does anyone here know about putting juice brakes onto an old i beam
axle?  The '25 Chevy I'm looking at doesn't have front brakes, so I want
to but the brakes from an old buick electra parts car I have onto it.
Anyone have any experience in the area or know anyone I could ask?  Oh I
wanted to change the back brakes too.

Ed

PS.  The buick has drum brakes, and its from the 70s - not sure what year.

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         "Channeling", was re: Cutting/heating srpings         7/15/98 1:06 PM

Bob,

Where it might not be true "channeling", we plan on lowering the SCCA Cutlass
by removing the body mounts and bolting the body directly to the frame.  In a
street driven car, this might be too harsh, but this car will definitely be
anything but street driven!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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         Re: Fw: Distibutor ID                                 7/15/98 9:46 AM



Corey Day wrote:

> Greg-
>
> Thanks, I would assume that HC stands for high compression(10.25)?
>
> Corey Day
> 70 Cutlass S -455
> dayc@ix.netcom.com
> www.netcom.com/~dayc/

Your assumption is correct.
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         Re: Performance mods                                  7/15/98 12:56 
PM

 > I would like to change
>the gears to something like 3:42's and either change the 307 out for a 350
>Olds or do performance mods to the 307.  I will be keeping the emission
>control systems intact. and would keep the stock exhaust system.


	While 95% of the list will tell you to change to a 350 or go all the 
way
to a 455 (and they're probably right), I'll tell you some mods for "the
little engine that could". These mods are not that expensive compared to
internal or head work on the motor and might yeild some of that power you
want.
	Starting front to back, you might want to find a way to route an 
extension
of the air intake snorkel on the air cleaner so that it takes air from
under the front bumper. Sort of like a poor man's ram air. Then get
yourself a K&N air filter (PN 1500 , I think). Get yourself a set of Accel
or Jacobb's (am I right?) plug wires to make a connection between Rapidfire
or Splitfire spark plugas and you HEI distributor with an Accel Super Coil
on it.
	You might want to check out Hypertech for a performance chip for your 
car
although I've heard skeptisism from list members about using these chips.
For the tranny, try a Hurst Hot shift kit and Hot shift tranny fluid.
That'll perk it right up.	
	If you're gonna keep you stock exhaust, you might want to make it 
better.
Try a hi-flow cat like Dynomax's super converter and a pair of (or a single
one if you have a single muffler) Ultra flo mufflers.
	If you're gonna mess with the rear try 3.73 gears if you have a four 
speed
auto tranny or 3.23 for a three speed one.
I think all this can help you but it's only my opinion and any list member
is more than welcome to share, contribute, correct or even diss all
this...............in the proper way.

Good luck!!

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net	
'86 442---------> 307 (5A), TH-350(not my fault), 3.73 rear,
Oooh.....T-tops!!


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         carb/gas                                              7/15/98 12:30 
PM

I have a problem with an 85 cutlass supreme when I start it up when it has
been sitting for a while all you can smell is gas its a v-6 3.8 does anyone
have any ideas on how to fix it if not a new 350 will be going into it
Rich Fernandez 81 cutlass 82 cutlass 85 cutlass

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         Re: Cutting/heating srpings                           7/15/98 11:07 
AM

Channeling has now been taken up by many low-riders and other custom cars as
"Body Dropping" it costs a pretty penny to get this done now, I think about
3,000.00 for a 60's cutlass.(probably the easiest).  Looks awesome though.
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible

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From: Robert Handren <rhandren@gate.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:04 AM
Subject: Cutting/heating srpings


>Since I'm on the digest I risk that this has already been answered or
>commented upon but since there is a safety issue I felt I should butt in.
>
>A spring and a torsion bar (a la M*p*r designs) are essentially the same
>thing. One is straight, the other is bent into a coil. If you shorten the
>torsion bar it will be more difficult to twist it because there is less
>material to twist. Cutting a coil accomplishes the same thing and it will
be
>stiffer. Springs are rated in lbs/in of deflection. Cutting the coil will
>increase this value. An easy demonstration is to take two paper clips.
Leave
>one full length, cut the other in half. Bend both so that you have
"handles"
>at each end. See which one is easier to twist. The shorter one is a lot
>tougher. Also, the more coils (the longer the torision bar) for the same
>diameter wire, the softer the spring. So cutting one coil from a spring
with
>10 twists will have less effect than cutting one coil from a spring with 8
>twists.
>
>Safety note: NEVER HEAT COIL SPRINGS TO LOWER A CAR!
>
>Springs are tempered steel. Heating destroys the temper and can make the
>metal brittle. It can definitely ruin your day (and maybe your life) if you
>hit a bump and the spring breaks. The only safe methods of lowering are
>cutting coils and dropped spindles. (I haven't heard of anyone "channeling"
>a modern car lately.) Of the two, dropped spindles retain the factory
>designed front end geometry. Buy spindles only from reputable well known
>companies. Again, your life and well being could depend on it.
>
>Nuff said.
>
>(For those age challenged folks who don't remember or know the old
>customizing methods of the 50's, channeling is where you make channels into
>the car/truck body so that it can be reinstalled on the frame at a lower
>position. This leaves the frame, suspension and drive train in the stock
>configuration. It's a very big job frequently requiring a new floor pan,
>modified fire wall, etc. to clear the trans, drive shaft and engine. Not
>easy or cheap but it really changes the appearance of the car dramatically.
>Appears to be a lost art these days.)
>
>Bob Handren
>


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         Re: Cutting/heating srpings                           7/15/98 12:00 
PM

Hiya Bobby!
    I think the modern custom dudes call  that "slamming" now. Can you see
through the smoke yet?
                                                               Ron Forsee
                                                               65 442-Meister

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:59:30 EDT
From: <BradRoss79@aol.com>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

If your car was sold new at a dealership in Lansing,  I know of two
dealerships that I heard about last August.  Drummy Oldsmobile, and Story
Oldsmobile have both been in business since before 1971, your car may have
been sold by one of them.

I hope this helps out.

Brad Ross
Swartz Creek, Michigan
'71 Delta Custom
'71 Delta Royale
'79 Ninety Eight Regency

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:03:14 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: How many '79 Hurst Olds with T-Tops produced?

Hello All!

Just joined the list.  Hoping to gather great information from here about
Oldsmobiles.  I own a White/Gold '79 Hurst Olds with T-Tops.  Does anyone
know how many were produced with T-Tops that were white/gold?  I already
know how many total with T-Tops were produced.  I've never seen another '79
H/O that was white/gold with T's.  Just 2 that were black/gold.

Thanks for any info!

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
			 ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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         nationals !!!                                         7/15/98 11:39 
AM


how does one go about collecting their goody bag and related items if
you've pre-registered and cannot make it to the show ???



erik
'88 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:00:50 EDT
From: <BradRoss79@aol.com>
Subject: Re: olds dealer in lansing?

If your car was sold new at a dealership in Lansing,  I know of two
dealerships that I heard about last August.  Drummy Oldsmobile, and Story
Oldsmobile have both been in business since before 1971, your car may have
been sold by one of them.

I hope this helps out.

Brad Ross
Swartz Creek, Michigan
'71 Delta Custom
'71 Delta Royale
'79 Ninety Eight Regency

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:28:40 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: How many '79 Hurst Olds with T-Tops produced?

Hey welcome to the list.  I have an 80 442 W-30 that is white/gold and looks
identical to your 79 H/O except in the headlight and taillight area.  Also nice
choice of power for that H/O. You like the ZZ4? If my 442 wasn't so original I
would like to rip out the stock 350 for the ZZ4.  Can't help you on the
production numbers, but I am sure someone else here can.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



Hello All!

Just joined the list.  Hoping to gather great information from here about
Oldsmobiles.  I own a White/Gold '79 Hurst Olds with T-Tops.  Does anyone
know how many were produced with T-Tops that were white/gold?  I already
know how many total with T-Tops were produced.  I've never seen another '79
H/O that was white/gold with T's.  Just 2 that were black/gold.

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Hey welcome to the list.  I have an 80 442 W-30 that is white/gold and looks
identical to your 79 H/O except in the headlight and taillight area.  Also nice
choice of power for that H/O. You like the ZZ4? If my 442 wasn't so original I
would like to rip out the stock 350 for the ZZ4.  Can't help you on the
production numbers, but I am sure someone else here can.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



Hello All!

Just joined the list.  Hoping to gather great information from here about
Oldsmobiles.  I own a White/Gold '79 Hurst Olds with T-Tops.  Does anyone
know how many were produced with T-Tops that were white/gold?  I already
know how many total with T-Tops were produced.  I've never seen another '79
H/O that was white/gold with T's.  Just 2 that were black/gold.

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Date: 15 Jul 98 11:23:26 -0400
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         Re: Fw: Distibutor ID                                 7/15/98 7:08 AM

Greg-

Thanks, I would assume that HC stands for high compression(10.25)?

Corey Day
70 Cutlass S -455
dayc@ix.netcom.com
www.netcom.com/~dayc/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Distibutor ID


>
>
>Corey Day wrote:
>
>> Subject: Distibutor ID
>>
>> >I am working on a 455 in a 68 Delta 88 the Distributer is marked 1111289
>> and
>> >doesn't seem to match any of
>> >the listings in the FAQ:
>> >
>> >>From the Olds FAQ
>> >424    1111291     Olds '68 8-455, 9.0 comp w/trans ign.
>> >425    1111288     Olds '68 8-455, 9.0 comp w/o trans ign.
>> >426    1111292     Olds '68 8-455, 10.25 comp w/trans ign.
>> >427    1111935     Olds '68 8-455, 10.25 comp w/o trans ign.
>> >
>> >I am trying to determine information like above??
>> >
>> >Corey Day
>> >70 Cutlass S -455
>> >dayc@ix.netcom.com
>> >www.netcom.com/~dayc/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
> Corey,
>According to the 1968 Chassis Manual, 1111289 fits all 455 HC (Full size
>models) except W-34 and K66.  (W-34 is the Force-Air system for Toros, and
>K66 is the UHV system).
>
>Although not listed in the chassis manual, 1111289 was also used on the 68
>Hurst/Olds with A/C.
>
>--
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>
>


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