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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 21 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1440



Re: Headlight high beams
Re: Ignition swapping
Oldsmobile 1976 Regency 98
Re: Anecdotes: Vaccuum Booster for Power Brakes
'66 Cutlass for sale
Re: '70 455 Intake Gasket
Re: Car Transports
Re: 73-77 Bumpers
Re: Re: Speaking of + Battery Cable....
Classifieds
RE: Classifieds
65 Jetstar 88 Conv F/S
'87 Cutlass - Fast
Q-Jet adjustments
Re: Ignition swapping
Re: 73-77 Bumpers
Re: Ignition swapping
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brake booster
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Re: Car Transports
RE: Interior Color Change
Re: brake booster
Re:
1969 442
Re: Interior Color Change
Rocket Talk tonight?
Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!
Need to be added to the list again
Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!
83-84 Hurst/Olds Wheels !
Heads for 455?
Re: SX start woes
See my Vista Cruiser
Re: 83-84 Hurst/Olds Wheels !
See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)
Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)
Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)
Almost finished...
Re: brake booster
Hold-down minutiae
Re: 1969 442
Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!
Date:	Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:28:54 -0400
Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)
bad luck, got to buy pistons, where?
Re:  Re: Attention all 81-88 "G" body members.
Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)
Re:  rpm on H/O (83-84)
Re: '87 Cutlass - Fast

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:05:13 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight high beams

In a message dated 98-08-19 22:09:58 EDT, you write:

<< My low beams work just fine. When I hit the floor dimmer to bring high
beams,
 ALL headlights go out !
 I do get the little blue high beam indicator on the dash, no other dash
lights
 or interior lights appear to be affected.
 I swapped the floor dimmer button out with one that works good, and problem
 persists.
 Any suggestions, Thanks. >>

Kyle,
This might be a long shot but I had the exact same problem when I first got my
Delta.
Turns out the problem was fixed by cleaning all the contacts inside the plugs.
(did it with a broken popstick and a piece of fine sandpaper draped over it)
Good luck
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:29:08 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Ignition swapping

 I have a '68 Delmont
and want to switch to an HEI ignition.  Is there a good scrap yard system I
should look for or do I have to buy a complete new system?  Keep in mind
I'm
trying to do this on a limited budget, I limit what my wife knows about my
budget!
Tim
____________

Tim, as Karl has pointed out, a $25 wrecking yard unit works fine, however
there are a couple of things to look out for.  First, HEIs come in two
flavors, computer controlled and stand-alone.  You need the stand-alone
version, which is characterized by (I think) a three wire connector which
comes out of the distributor base and plugs into the coil terminals in the
cap.  The computer controlled version has an additional four wire connector
which plugs into the engine harness - avoid these.  Naturally, you'll need
an Olds-type HEI (every GM engine line is different), but fortunately all
Olds distributors are the same (big and small block).  To be absolutely
sure, look at the bottom end of the distributor gear.  Olds motors use a
female 5/16" hex drive, whereas most others use a drive pin or
screwdriver-type blade to turn the oil pump driveshaft.

When you grab the HEI, be sure to get the two wires and connectors that
plug into the cap from the engine harness.  One is the 12 volt feed and the
other is the tach feed. These connectors are unique, so you'll need them to
splice into your harness.  Also, check the conditions of the bushings in
the HEI housing.  You should not be able to wiggle the distributor shaft
side-to-side in the housing - excessive side play indicates the need for
new bushings.  Excessive up-and-down motion of the shaft in the housing is
also undesireable, but very common in GM distributors.  Many aftermarket
sources sell shim washers for a few dollars a set which can be used to take
out this excessive up-and-down play.  Simply drive the roll pin out of the
distributor gear, pull the gear off, shim as necessary between the gear and
the housing, and reinstall the gear and pin.

Karl is also correct about recurving the distributor.  A distributor
machine is the best way, but you can do this on the car with a timing light
and a degree tape on the balancer.  Expect to replace the cap and rotor,
and possibly the coil.  You'll need new 8mm plug wires with the correct
ends as well.

To wire the HEI up in the car, find the two wires going to the "+" side of
the coil currently.  One of these comes from the START position on the
ignition switch and is a simple wire.  The other comes from the RUN
position and is a resistance wire.  You will need to replace or bypass this
resistance wire with a normal copper wire, then connect both of these to
the BATT terminal on the HEI (using the connector you scavenged at the
wrecking yard).  The other terminal (TACH) is obviously the tachometer
feed.

If you have a big block the HEI _should_ clear your air cleaner, due to the
taller block (it _won't_ clear the air cleaner on a small block).  Some
minor denting may be required, or you'll need to grab the air cleaner off
of the car that the HEI came from.

Note that by this point, when you start to add up the costs ($25 for
wrecking yard dist + new cap + new rotor + new coil + shim washers + ...),
you may find it more cost effective to buy a rebuilt or aftermarket HEI.
Your choice.

Hope this helped.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:36:26 EDT
From: <TDC012093@aol.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile 1976 Regency 98

I have a 1976 Oldsmobile Regency 98 that still runs that I would like to sell.
If you are interested plese respond to tdc012093@aol.com  Would love to sell
it.  I am from Texas

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:50:02 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Anecdotes: Vaccuum Booster for Power Brakes

KARLAUNE wrote
>I wanna hear about how your car was behaving before it failed

My booster was out for about a year.the car behaved fine before it blew.
Then the pedal started to get hardwith very little travel.In order to panic
stop
I had to stand on it. And I noticed a whooshing noise from under the dash,It
got louder with the hush panel removed.Figured the diaphragm rippedin the
booster.
Being the cost consious guy I am, went to the junk yard, picked  up another
booster for $30.Brakes all better now.
As a side note I went through a set of  carbon metellic pads in 6 months
because of the blown booster.Hope this helps.

Kevin White
83 Cutlass supreme
The FE3X II

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:53:40 -0700
From: Shields <shields@wsunix.wsu.edu>
Subject: '66 Cutlass for sale

I am trying to sell my '66 Olds Cutlass. It is a white 4 door that needs
a lot of work. A Cutlass collector would love it! I am the second owner
and I have been unable to find any Olds collectors in my area. I am
located in Washington State. Please contact me if you are interested.
Thanks.
Travis Shields
shields@wsunix.wsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:59:37 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: '70 455 Intake Gasket

I reinstalled my Performer Olds intake a year ago, after installing new
lifters.  Anyway, I did not use the metal turkey tray valley pan, or whatever
its called.  At the reccomendation of Mondello and others on the list I simply
used the Permatorque (?) gaskets Mondello sells.  Seal the water passages with
RTV blue and just put a thin layer of regular grease on the gasket where the
air passages are.  Apparently its a huge no no to use RTV blue around the air
passages since excess could go into the cylinders.  Also,
if you're using an aluminum intake, remember to retorque the intake bolts after
its run for 10 minutes or so.  Retorque after its cooled.

Todd Morris
71 442

<I am getting ready to put my intake on and was wondering how I put the
<permatex on the tin gasket? Do I put that stuff on the intake also? Could
<someone please tell me how I seal the gasket?

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:01:46 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Car Transports

I used a car transport service 2 years ago, Georgia to Wash DC, cost $600.  It
was enclosed, insured, no problems whatever.  Can't remember the name but I
found them in Hemmings.

Todd Morris
Program Marketing
71 442

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:53:28 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: 73-77 Bumpers

Us, as in the weird 73-77 guys or the list in general? Personally, I think
we 73-77 guys need our own patron saint for parts.

- -----Original Message-----
>
>wanna call this guy to see if he wants to sponcer us???
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:40:16 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Speaking of + Battery Cable....

In a message dated 8/20/98, 8:55:00 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<>Does anyone know where I can the positive battery cable tube than runs
>down the back of the engine?  The one I have is almost completely torn.
>I don't think Year One has it available.
>
>Any ideas??>>
I believe you can use the tube from the inside of a toilet paper roll. Just
dont get it wet. Ahh a little humor never hurt anyone :)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:46:56 -0500
From: "Robert Spencer" <tomy@sockets.net>
Subject: Classifieds

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:55:30 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Classifieds

I am going to sell my 1972 Cutlass Supreme Convert. It has some nice
options +ACY- I have a bunch of parts for it, used +ACY- new. i.e..
N.O.S. rear quarters and LH front fender. Many, many parts. Anyway, I
have listed it in the classifieds today at www.442.com and www.oip.net .
I was wondering if anyone new of any other web addresses I could post it
at. Or possibly someone which might be interested in it. (would like to
sell it to get money for a house.) Needs Restored. Any info. would be
greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Robert S.


Robert, off the top of my head...
www.myclassiccar.com
www.traderonline.com
www.hotrodheaven.com


BTW, how 'bout some more info on the car, since you peaked many a list
readers interests.  Price, condition, options, engine, tranny, colors,
running or not, etc,etc

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:57:13 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: 65 Jetstar 88 Conv F/S

Saw the following on the 'Net.  Usual disclaimers...  Call him, not me.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30
=================

Date of Posting: 08/15/98
Email Address: Pagination@usa.net
Description: 1965 Olds Jetstar 88 Convertible for sale. Almost restored.
Needs front clip - hood, fenders, grill,
misc. chrome. I have Certificate of Appraisal valuing car at $6K. Must sell
 ASAP (by 8/21/98 if possible).
Mechanicals in excellent condition; new convertible top; no rust. Needs
interior restoration and could use new paint
job. Original midnight blue color with white interior and top. Send email
or call 614-488-4542 immediately! Want
$1500. Leave message.
City: Columbus
State: Ohio

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:02:00 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '87 Cutlass - Fast

I have seen two very interesting silver 1987 Cutlass Supremes at Norwalk
Dragstrip the last two Wednesday nights.  Last week I saw what appeared to
be a completely stock 1987 Cutlass Salon silver with blue interior.  It had
SSII chrome wheels and wide tires on the back.  After I saw it run an
approx. 12.2 second run, I had to see what was in it.  The vehicle is stock
including full interior except for the engine.  It is a diesel 350 bored
and stroked to 429?? I believe.  It has a beefed up 200-4R behind it.  The
car was sweet and a definite sleeper on the street.

The other one I saw last night and it was an '87 Silver Cutlass with full
stock interior.  It was definitely set up for racing as it had a full roll
cage, wheelie bars on back, BIG slicks, etc.  When  it launched it pulled
the front end over 2 feet off the ground.  I think it ran around 10 seconds
in the quarter.

It was nice to see a couple of quick Oldsmobiles in a field that is 35%
Mustangs and many of the rest are Bow Ties.  Although, I will confess I run
my Impala SS every week for two reasons.  1) It is very consistent compared
to my 442 (I have 1 first place, 2 second place, 2 semi-finals, and a 1/4
final trophy this year in stock class.)  2) I can't bear to race my
completely original 442 and ruin it - rather beat on the Chevy.


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:09:22 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Q-Jet adjustments

Message text written by Stan Weaver
I need a Rochester Q-jet person!! All suggestions and advise are greatly
appreciated. My car is due for PA state inspection next month and I want
it running well before they emission test it.<<

Here is the deal.  The Idle Air Bleed and the Mixture Control Solenoid Stop
are to be adjusted using two depth gages (detailed in GM service manual).
However, not having those, it can be adjusted as follows.  THis applies to
'86 and '87 two-point adjustment Q-jets (M/C solenoid is a fixed rich/lean
stop distance and  both are adjusted together.

Set the Idle Mixture Screws to 1.5 turns as suggested.

The M/C solenoid stop adjustment (the little screw and stop that limits M/C
solenoid travel) needs to be adjusted at 3000 RPM or slightly higher.  This
way you get into the main metering circuit.  With the small plug out of the
top of the air horn, you can get to the screw with very small needlenose
pliers or the proper (female slot) tool.  Adjust for approx. 50% M/C duty
cycle.

After adjusting the M/C solenoid limit stop at 3000 RPM, adjust the idle
air bleed adjustement at idle in drive as this is affected by the stop
adjustment. (This is in the small part that sticks up in right behind the
primaries under a stamped anti-tamper cover and rivets. Adjust for 55% duty
cycle.

Recheck the previous adjustment as they do interact with each other.

I successfully adjusted the Quadrajet on my 442 without touching the idle
mixture screws (didn't want cut base to get to them).

I will have to pull an old service manual for the 3-point adjustment that
is probably on your 1984.


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:56:26 -0400
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Ignition swapping

- ----------
>  I have a '68 Delmont
> and want to switch to an HEI ignition.

The oldsfaq covers this topic pretty well. You should download this already
if you haven't its got some info on what years HEI to find. I think Joe
covered just about everything. The only thing not mentioned in the other
posts is that you should change your voltage regulator to a solid state
unit from the existing mechanical unit. This is from the f.a.q., you have
two choices for the upgrade. 1) go to an internally regulated alternator
from later model g.m. or 2)change your voltage regulator to a solid state
unit. I seen these in J.C. Whitney for $12 I think most auto parts should
have em. The reason for the upgrade (correct me if I am wrong) is that the
voltage flucates to much with a mechanical unit and would fry the HEI unit
in a short amount of time. Anyone out there get away without changing the
voltage regulator? Let me know if you have to dent the air cleaner I
planning on doing the same swap in my 66 Delta 88 points suck. Also I read
that someone used the ACCEL super coil and didn't have to dent the air
cleaner. The accel coil looks to be a little smaller than the stock coil
don't know if its worth the extra money though depends on what your using
the car for. Good luck.

Erik Ferguson

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:16:44 EDT
From: <DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 73-77 Bumpers

>Us, as in the weird 73-77 guys or the list in general? Personally, I think
>we 73-77 guys need our own patron saint for parts.

- -----Original Message-----
>
>wanna call this guy to see if he wants to sponcer us???
>
Sorry i ment to forward this to my 73-77 Cutlass Clubs president,,, but i was
sitting here half asleep and clicked on reply,,,, as for needing our own
patron saints for parts i couldnt agree more,, us guys with 73-77s have almost
no aftermarket parts ,, we are trying to change that and help people find used
parts.... Sorry for the mis-post
 Jeffrey Fieldsend
Board member, OCC- Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77
http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:22:13 EDT
From: <DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition swapping

if you happen to have almost new plug wires as i did,, you can get new HEI
boots for $7 and change them... my best advice to a "newbie" is too get a good
relationship going with a localy owned parts store/ speed shop, once you start
buying stuff from the same place its surprising how much info and help you can
get for free,, even shims...

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:28:42 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: [none]

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   87 409 Cutlass













































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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:49:01 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: 73-77 Bumpers

You led me to a club page for a club that I never would have imagined
existed! Nothing but 73-77 cars! No offense to anyone, but I believe the
73-77 series, and especially the 73-75 Cutlasses were the sleekest (though
hardly the fastest) Cutlae ever made. All they need is a sixties style
performance tweak. Mine is a plain maroon (no landau) 75 Cutlass Salon 455
with 15" Maroon SSIII wheels and 255/60's rear and 235/60's front. Nothing
fancy, but there's nothing that compares to it for looks in my little town.
It honestly turns heads everywhere I drive it. We (73-77 guys) desperately
need sources for aftermarket parts. Example: Hotchkis suspension parts
apparently jump directly from '72 to '78. It's like no one wants to
acknowledge that the 73-77 series was even built.
These cars are approaching or have already reached the age where you can
legally do anything you want to them without the tree-hugging commie
democrat environmentalists putting you in a sadistic environmental
sensitivity seminar where you watch spotted owls dying of second-hand
cigarette smoke.
Sorry for the rant. But these cars are being made into monster performers.
The aftermarket people need to deal with that. As much as Mondello's
manipulation irritates me, and Edelbrock's half-hearted support drives us
nuts, go look for a Weiand manifold for a 455 or ANY supercharger. At least
these guys have something for Oldses.

- -----Original Message-----
>
>>Us, as in the weird 73-77 guys or the list in general? Personally, I think
>>we 73-77 guys need our own patron saint for parts.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>wanna call this guy to see if he wants to sponcer us???
>>
>Sorry i ment to forward this to my 73-77 Cutlass Clubs president,,, but i
was
>sitting here half asleep and clicked on reply,,,, as for needing our own
>patron saints for parts i couldnt agree more,, us guys with 73-77s have
almost
>no aftermarket parts ,, we are trying to change that and help people find
used
>parts.... Sorry for the mis-post
> Jeffrey Fieldsend
>Board member, OCC- Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77
>http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:05:28 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Interior Color Change

So my girlfriend hated the red interior and autumn bronze
exterior combination. I agreed once I saw the paint (very
nice job -- top quality). So I'm opting for a parchment
interior (off white) with black carpet.

On the 1966 Starfire, does anyone know what color
I should (re)paint the dash and what color the dash
pad should be? I'm guessing black because I've
never seen an olds of this vintage with a white pad
or white dash, but I'm looking for confirmation. Also
the factory materials state that the carpet for this
interior color should be black.

Can anyone assist here?

What about you Cutlass guys, do any of you have
a parchment or off white interior? What color are
your dashes and dash pads?

Ya should see the paint. Mirror finish. I was very,
very pleased. But then you all probably know new
paint euphoria is a narcotic prohibited by federal
law (and provincial in Canada!)


Look forward to your notes.

cf

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:10:33 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of + Battery Cable....

In a message dated 98-08-20 11:55:00 EDT, you write:

<<
 Supercars Unlimited has this part. It is listed for 70-72 Auto, not for
 stick, but I was planning on trying it on a stick car anyway. It's gotta
 be close if it's not the same.
  >>
     The diameter is the same but the length is shorter than the standard
shift ones. It will work fine anyway.


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:14:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: [none]

The "fr*e" word bounced it; forwarding. I think it only bounces when that
word is in the subject line but I edited all references. A new addition
to majordomo, probably not for the better.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Racing Equipment Fr*e Catalog

A friend of mine is rebuilding his C*hev and has been ordering parts from a
company that he has been real pleased with. I through I would pass it along
to the list. I have never ordered from them myself. Maybe some of you know
them. It is:

BARNETT Performance
465 Memorial Drive SE
Atlanta, GA. 30312
1-800-533-1320 Order Line
404-522-1320 Tech Line
404-420-1572 Fax

They carry most major manufacturers performance equipment and offer machine
shop service also. Best of all they offer most parts at  "Fr*e Freight". My
friend ordered 2 cams from them before he made up his mind which one he
wanted and they paid to have both of them sent back. They offer a fr*e
catalog also.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:15:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1976 98 Regency

One for you land yacht lovers... respond to TDC012093@aol.com if
interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<TDC012093@aol.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile 1976 Regency 98

I have a 1976 Oldsmobile Regency 98 that still runs that I would like to sell.
If you are interested plese respond to tdc012093@aol.com  Would love to sell
it.  I am from Texas

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:16:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '66 Cutlass FS

Not on the list, respond to shields@wsunix.wsu.edu if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Shields <shields@wsunix.wsu.edu>
Subject: '66 Cutlass for sale

I am trying to sell my '66 Olds Cutlass. It is a white 4 door that needs
a lot of work. A Cutlass collector would love it! I am the second owner
and I have been unable to find any Olds collectors in my area. I am
located in Washington State. Please contact me if you are interested.
Thanks.
Travis Shields
shields@wsunix.wsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:15:52 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Interior Color Change

What about you Cutlass guys, do any of you have
a parchment or off white interior? What color are
your dashes and dash pads?
____________

My 66 442 convert came with a Parchment interior which had a black dash,
black pad, and black carpet.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:23:32 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Interior Color Change

In a message dated 98-08-20 17:05:50 EDT, you write:

<<
 On the 1966 Starfire, does anyone know what color
 I should (re)paint the dash and what color the dash
 pad should be? I'm guessing black because I've
 never seen an olds of this vintage with a white pad
 or white dash, but I'm looking for confirmation. Also
 the factory materials state that the carpet for this
 interior color should be black.
  >>
   I have a friend with a 66 Starfire (4spd) that is autumn bronze and off
white interior and it is all original, black dash & pad and black carpeting


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:27:47 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Interior Color Change

Excellent. Joe, you should consult to Fusick,
Year One, Brothers and the rest for $250/hour.

Nowhere else can I get this kind of info.

many thanks.

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com [mailto:Padavano.Joe@orbital.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 2:16 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Interior Color Change
>
> What about you Cutlass guys, do any of you have
> a parchment or off white interior? What color are
> your dashes and dash pads?
> ____________
>
> My 66 442 convert came with a Parchment interior which had a
> black dash,
> black pad, and black carpet.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:30:19 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Interior Color Change

Does he or she like this combination? Does it look good
to your eye? I think it the best of the factory solutions, but
have never seen it live & direct.

Many thanks!,
cf

>    I have a friend with a 66 Starfire (4spd) that is autumn
> bronze and off  white interior and it is all original,
> black dash & pad and
> black carpeting
>
> Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:02:35 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: brake booster

O.K. gang - put on your thinking caps.....


I had to replace my power brake booster and at the same time pull my
dash to get at some wiring and the steering column mounting posts
(behind dash).....

here is the question ............ can I safely cut down the studs to
re-mount the power brake booster - I see no reason why they must be two
inches long..............

Tanks
The General

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:23:26 -0400
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:51:53 EDT
From: <BuchD@aol.com>
Subject: please take me off the list-vacation time!

Going away for awhile - please remove me from the list for now.
Thanks
D.Buchanan

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:57:54 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Car Transports

i used a company called PASSPORT TRANSPORT to bring my car from california to
ohio, they did a real nice job bringing me my car. it cost $1350.00  but worth
it.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:07:01 -0400
From: Kyle Roe <karoe@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RE: Interior Color Change

Yep, I have a '70 442 Convertible. The interior is the stock  Ivory (off white
if you prefer) buckets, Console, dash, carpet and such are Black. This color
scheme is as it should be for this car. It looks outstanding.

Kyle

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:14:15 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: brake booster

Georgie - The stud does not have to be any longer than would be required to
accomodate a lock washer and the thickness of the nut.  Any more length than
that is not  neccessary.  Your velcome.  Peter.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:06:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:

> From:	"Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
> Subject: Racing Equipment Fr*e Catalog
>
> A friend of mine is rebuilding his C*hev and has been ordering parts
from a
> company that he has been real pleased with. I through I would pass
it along
> to the list. I have never ordered from them myself. Maybe some of
you know
> them. It is:
>
> BARNETT Performance
> 465 Memorial Drive SE
> Atlanta, GA. 30312
> 1-800-533-1320 Order Line
> 404-522-1320 Tech Line
> 404-420-1572 Fax
>
> They carry most major manufacturers performance equipment and offer
machine
> shop service also. Best of all they offer most parts at  "Fr*e
Freight". My
> friend ordered 2 cams from them before he made up his mind which one
he
> wanted and they paid to have both of them sent back. They offer a fr*e
> catalog also.
- ---Barnett Perf. does excellent  in my book.I've dealt with them on
several projects,never been dissatisfied.
==
John McJunkin
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !


_________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:18:00 +0300
From: john schiffman <joschiff@flash.net>
Subject: 1969 442

I need some help on the Roch carb I bought from "Year One" Catelogue.
It seems I also need a new intake man choke for that year model.  Any
suggestions?

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:34:29 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Interior Color Change

Chris Fair wrote:
>
> So my girlfriend hated the red interior and autumn bronze
> exterior combination.

Too bad the interior isn't Bronze to match the rest...  but it's be real
hard repair should anything happen to it.  This color is
non-reproducable, from what I've heard.  Anyway...

> I agreed once I saw the paint (very
> nice job -- top quality). So I'm opting for a parchment
> interior (off white) with black carpet.

There's a real pretty '66 in a salvage yard near me.  Well, I guess it
USED to be real pretty.  It is Ocean Mist with the white interior.  Dash
and carpeting are black.   Must have been a looker when it was new.  The
techincal name for the factory color used in these cars when they were
new was Parchment Pearl (and it was only available on the bucket
seats).  It's as it sounds, a pearl white, just like the paint on recent
GM products.  And it was a recommended color combination with the Autumn
Bronze paint.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:49:07 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk tonight?

Room's still open, but again, I've gotta be elsewhere.  Got a friend in the
hospital in Havre, heading up there tonight.  Not good...  But y'all're invited
to come in and chat all night long, again...

Have fun!

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:06:39 -0500
From: "Amy McPherson" <amymac@hrtc.net>
Subject: Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!

i have a  (3) sets of  C big block heads one set unknown condition, (have
not been checked for cracks at a machine shop)  other two sets came off of
good running engines.  will sell unknown set for $200 and the other 2 for
$350 a pair.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 11:50 PM
Subject: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!


>I'm picking up a 455 today and seeing as how I leave for school in a
>week, I wanna get this thing rebuilt NOW!! It has J's on it now so I'm
>asking for:
>
>A clean (meaning no cracks) set of Big Block heads
>they don't have to be C's
>anything other than J's
>fully assembled (rockers, springs)
>guaranteed to work fine after they're put on
>I'm on a really tight budget!
>I don't care if they're just some ol' greasy heads you got layin'
>around, as long as you know they run, have no cracks or anything, and
>can give them to me for cheap, I'LL BUY 'EM!!!
>
>Thanx guys!!!!
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>         777777 33333
>            77      33
>Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>          77        33
>         77     33333
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>**************************************************
>
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:25:16 EDT
From: <LPBuilder@aol.com>
Subject: Need to be added to the list again

I don't know what happened but when I came home from vacation I wasn't
receiving any mail so could you please add me again.

Thank You in advance

Drew A. Sonnentag

1970 cutlass convertible

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:41:31 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!

Jeez, steep! No offense, just an observation.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>i have a  (3) sets of  C big block heads one set unknown condition, (have
>not been checked for cracks at a machine shop)  other two sets came off of
>good running engines.  will sell unknown set for $200 and the other 2 for
>$350 a pair.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
>To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 11:50 PM
>Subject: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!
>
>
>>I'm picking up a 455 today and seeing as how I leave for school in a
>>week, I wanna get this thing rebuilt NOW!! It has J's on it now so I'm
>>asking for:
>>
>>A clean (meaning no cracks) set of Big Block heads
>>they don't have to be C's
>>anything other than J's
>>fully assembled (rockers, springs)
>>guaranteed to work fine after they're put on
>>I'm on a really tight budget!
>>I don't care if they're just some ol' greasy heads you got layin'
>>around, as long as you know they run, have no cracks or anything, and
>>can give them to me for cheap, I'LL BUY 'EM!!!
>>
>>Thanx guys!!!!
>>--
>>*************
>>Matt Cremean
>>mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
>>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>>         777777 33333
>>            77      33
>>Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>>          77        33
>>         77     33333
>>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>>**************************************************
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:46:21 -0400
From: Bill Gochenour <gochenow@stjohns.edu>
Subject: 83-84 Hurst/Olds Wheels !

Anyone interested in 83-84 Hurst/Olds wheels, (4) NOS still in the
original GM boxes or (4) mint show car take offs (9000 miles) e-mail me
privately. Both sets are mint! Also if you'd like to see them, I'll
e-mail anyone interested a digital pic of them.

Buyer pays the shipping!



- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     100th Centennial Celebration #2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
				             |_|         |_|   |_______|


		* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
		* Comming Soon----->3STICKS.com *
		* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 8/15/98)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:57:29 PDT
From: "Justin Brickey" <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
Subject: Heads for 455?

If $350 is steep, then what should one be prepared to pay for a working
set of "C" heads?

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: SX start woes

Well, my starting problems are (apparently) solved!

Syptoms: Turn the key to "ON", idiot lights come on; as I pump the gas, they
dim with each pump <huh?>. Turn the key, no click, lights go out and stay out.

OK, so battery connection is suspect. I clean the terminals and posts
(didn't seem dirty at all), clean the negative cable connection to the
engine (made at the alternator bracket with the factory original clamp-type
cable) and add a star-washer that has been sitting on a paving stone outside
my garage for the last month (I don't remember where it came from, but for
some reason I never bothered to bend down and pick it up; that's just so I
could find it on this particular morning. Boy, do I have foresight or
what... ;). I get in, turn the key, and she starts like a champ. No problems
whatsoever starting up on the way home from work either.

So I guess it was the battery connections after all; this surprised me, as
the battery is only a year old, and the clamps were clean and tight. Thanks
for all your advice; lets hope this fixes it and that I don't have to
investigate the starter switch issue. (now I just have to figure out what
vacuum hose is disconnected, as my mode lever doesn't select "vent" or
"defrost" anymore...).

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:56:11 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: See my Vista Cruiser

I went to talkcity.com and threw up a webpage.  All that's on in now is
one picture of my Vista Cruiser but at least now it's posted somewhere
on the web.

This picture is about 18 months old.  The paint is a little more dinged
up now than it was then; stone chips and Kmart rash. :(  It also has
hubcaps now.

Anyway, if anyone wants to see:

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:25:22 -0400
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 83-84 Hurst/Olds Wheels !

I might be interested please send me a picture of what you have. to
cutlass@frontiernet.net
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gochenour <gochenow@stjohns.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 9:44 PM
Subject: 83-84 Hurst/Olds Wheels !


>Anyone interested in 83-84 Hurst/Olds wheels, (4) NOS still in the
>original GM boxes or (4) mint show car take offs (9000 miles) e-mail me
>privately. Both sets are mint! Also if you'd like to see them, I'll
>e-mail anyone interested a digital pic of them.
>
>Buyer pays the shipping!
>
>
>
>--
>
>Bill !
>
>1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
>     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
>1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
>     100th Centennial Celebration #2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
>1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
>              |_|         |_|   |_______|
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * Comming Soon----->3STICKS.com *
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 8/15/98)
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:06:01 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)

DOH!  Sent the message prematurely while I was typing.  Wondered how
that happend....

Soooo, if anyone wants to see the yellow submarine:

http://home.talkcity.com/HotRodRd/greg28/

should get you there.

....And yes, it's very yellow. :)  It ended up this color by mistake.  I
like to call it dumbass-at-napa yellow. :) I intend to make it ~sunfire~
yellow again one day.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:02:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)

At 11:06 PM 8/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>DOH!  Sent the message prematurely while I was typing.  Wondered how
>that happend....

We've all done it :)

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)

- ---Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu> wrote:
>
> DOH!  Sent the message prematurely while I was typing.  Wondered how
> that happend....
>
> Soooo, if anyone wants to see the yellow submarine:
>
> http://home.talkcity.com/HotRodRd/greg28/
>
> should get you there.
>
> ....And yes, it's very yellow. :)  It ended up this color by
mistake.  I
> like to call it dumbass-at-napa yellow. :) I intend to make it
~sunfire~
> yellow again one day.

- --Thats BFY we list guys ought to chip in an donate you some rally
wheels though:)

==
John McJunkin
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !


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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:06:31 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Almost finished...

     I signed off the list and went to digest about 3 weeks ago to finish
the convertible and get married. I managed to complete enough of the car to
make it look like a car and lived up to the promise that I made to "Drive
away from the church in my convertible.... or walk!"I got many comments on
the car, with only one person noticing that it was missing a radio. He
offered to change the wedding present gift certificate from Pier One Imports
to Car Audio... I declined the offer. What the car was also missing was... a
top, top frame, top hydraulics, window glass, window mechanisms, interior
door and window handles, seat belts (except for the drivers). Turn signals
and wipers dont work (havent checked out why yet). Because my order for a
white top boot could not be shipped, I borrowed a black one from a buddy, so
nobody even noticed. Things that worked and looked good..... shiny new
paint, polished chrome and stainless, crystal clear brand new windshield,
SSIII wheels with new Radial T/A's,  disc brake conversion works excellent,
as does the go pedal under right foot!!! Since the wedding the car has been
stored in a friends garage an hour from where I live. Friday night I get
back to work on it. I will have gone 13 days with out working on the car. (I
think the withdrawal effects will have ceased by then)

See ya

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:35:07 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: brake booster

here is the question ............ can I safely cut down the studs to
re-mount the power brake booster - I see no reason why they must be two
inches long..............

Tanks
The General
______________

The requirement in the aerospace industry is 1 to 3 threads exposed past
the nut.  If you have this much, you've got all the strength you're going
to get.  I suspect that the long studs are for the manual brake
application, where you're bolting through the thick ears on the master
cylinder.  In addition, the studs probably act as guides when the hardware
is put together on the assembly line.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:17:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Hold-down minutiae

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   WARNING   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nit picky restoration details follow.  DO NOT read this post if this will
bore you to tears and cause you to pass out and fall off your chair!  WE
CLAIM NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY INJURIES RESULTING FROM READING THIS POST.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   WARNING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Are they gone?

Here's the scoop on the great battery cable/wire harness/modulator pipe
hold down clip issue.

First, for Chris Smetana:  My 1969 factory service manual clearly shows the
clip _with_ fingers being used to hold the modulator pipe on TH350
applications.  See Fig 7-663 on page 7-679.  BUT - the TH400 modulator pipe
is restrained with the non-fingered clip and the notorious plastic
strap-type retainer, apparently what Chris has on his car (these are shown
in Fig 7-24 on page 7-25).  In fact, Fig 6B-119 shows two of the "fingered"
clips in the number 3 and 4 positions on the right valve cover and a flat
clip in the number one position.  Flat clips are also shown in the number
1, 3, and 4 positions on the left valve cover.  The fingers point down,
towards the intake and the pipe is routed under the clips.

These fingered clips are shown as far back as my 1966 service manual, used
on the Jetaway and the Toro, although in that year the fingers pointed up
and the pipe ran above the clips.  Ironically , full size cars apparently
used neither configuration, but instead had a metal "P" clamp holding the
pipe under the last valve cover bolt.  The 1970 service manual shows the
same clip configuration I mentioned above, using the exact same drawing,
but this time as Fig 6B-114.  In addition, the 1970 manual uses the same
modulator pipe drawings as the 1969 manual, with the fingers used on the
TH350 and the strap on the TH400.  In either case, the vac advance hose to
the distributor is retained to the clip on the RH valve cover using one of
the straps.  With the TH350, only the hose is retained with the strap,
while with the TH400, both the modulator pipe and the hose are held with
the same strap.

Finally, on the 70-72 O.A.I. adapter hold-down springs, the best I can come
up with is a couple of pictures of a dressed W-30 and W-31 engine from the
R.E.O. Museum, circa 1975.  As best I can tell, the flat (non-fingered)
clip is used on the LH side (can't see the right) and the spring hooks into
the top hole in the clip.  I guess that means that on either side, the
number three clip is _not_ used to hold one of these plastic straps on an
O.A.I. car.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:37:41 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1969 442

I need some help on the Roch carb I bought from "Year One" Catelogue.
It seems I also need a new intake man choke for that year model.  Any
suggestions?
____________

What's the problem, John?  Is the carb configured for an integral choke and
you've got the original divorced setup, or is it the other way around?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:25:03 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: BB heads NEEDED FAST!!!

Thanx for all the offers, guys and gals, but it turns out the yard will
be closed until Sept 5. No big block for me! Oh well, maybe someday when
I'm home from college, I'll go an' snag it. But I know where there is a
backyard 70 Cutlass that runs. Maybe I can get that for cheap. Has 350,
#6's, 2bbl. Not too hard to buy a 4bbl manifold and carb. Maybe I'll
have to get that Edelbrock Performer RPM kit and see what that can do
(heh, heh).

Later,
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mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:28:54 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Date:	Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:28:54 -0400

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:33:38 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)

JM wrote:
>
> ---Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > DOH!  Sent the message prematurely while I was typing.  Wondered how
> > that happend....
> >
> > Soooo, if anyone wants to see the yellow submarine:
> >
> > http://home.talkcity.com/HotRodRd/greg28/
> >
> > should get you there.
> >
> > ....And yes, it's very yellow. :)  It ended up this color by
> mistake.  I
> > like to call it dumbass-at-napa yellow. :) I intend to make it
> ~sunfire~
> > yellow again one day.

No way!! That color sticks out. Kinda like my C*price of Sh*t!! 'Cept I
hope yours isn't a $99 Macco paint job (see link below, under "The
Beater"). I think it's a bad lookin' Vista.

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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:28:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: bad luck, got to buy pistons, where?

Hi Guys,

maybe some of you followed: Had my 350 blocks at the shop today and they
are both more then 30 over! I can't use my 30 over pistons and rings... ;-(

(anybody needs used pistons and new rings 30 over cheap?) I will have to
get new ones.
Where do I get them and if my shop gets them what do I have to tell them
for specs???
I would like to go for high compression! had lo comp. in before. Is that
more expensive? As you guys already know George is always for the good
deal version... Please answer soon...

Thanks, So long

George


P.S.:
I also would sell cheap orig. 2bbl carb + intake + air cleaner of my 68
cutlass. Maybe someone is interested in original sway bar and front
drums? Also there are some orig. valve covers. and oil filling tubes...


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:36:26 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Attention all 81-88 "G" body members.

Hey Steve, My last message to you was stating that I live in Astoria 5min from
where you work. Let me know what you want for that decklid, so I can see if I
can swing it. Been doing some serious renovations at my house lately, so I
have to go with the budget, you know what I mean.
Waiting to here from you, (E-mail direct w/$)
John,
JJP442@aol.com
1983 HurstOlds
1987 442

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:49:17 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: See my Vista Cruiser  (doh!)

Matt Cremean wrote:

> > ---Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu> wrote:
>> I intend to make it
> > ~sunfire~
> > > yellow again one day.
>
> No way!! That color sticks out.

Sunfire Yellow does a fine job sticking out too. :)  It's just not
so...shall we say, Big-Birdesqe.  :)  I don't mind the present color,
but I prefer the original.  Oh, it originally had the obligatory fake
woodgrain on the lower half of the car too...Had to ditch it...I just
don't like that stuff at all.

The present paint has never looked that great. It's a backyard paint job
so it has bugs, dirt and major overspray in it.  I never bothered with
buffing it out, I wanted to change the color and I've been planning on
painting it next year for 5 years now. :)  Now after 50,000 miles it's
so dinged up buffing it out would be wasted effort.

> I think it's a bad lookin' Vista.

Thank you.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cultass Calais

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:43:47 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  rpm on H/O (83-84)

I believe it's about 2,000 rpm. I'll check tomorrow on the way to work. I only
see 50 mph for a split second can't really stay there I got a problem with a
heavy foot, lol
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:56:08 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: '87 Cutlass - Fast

Steve Ochs wrote:
>
> It was nice to see a couple of quick Oldsmobiles in a field that is 35%
> Mustangs and many of the rest are Bow Ties.

A few represented here...  All G-Body Cutli.  All on the 1/8

1. 84 Hurst.  Pro-Street, REAL Hurst.  Buddy of mine runs it <G>.  425
Toro Motor, bored over. TH400 (working the OD Tranny over), Dana 60
rear, 33 Inch Mickey Thompson Street/Strip tires on it, AWESOME looking
car, full roll cage.
Runs 7.3's easy (aka without juice) Also getting Mondello's Heads
mounted this week!  This is the guy selling my my FIRST 455.

Trying to work out a deal with him for the Lightning rods....  <G>

2. 80 Cutlass. Pro-Street.  455.  TH400.  Ford 9 inch rear, 32 Inch
Street/Strip Tires.  Full Roll Cage, has juice, doesn't use it.  Runs
high 7's.

Both the above DRIVEN to the track.

3. 85 Cutlass.  Pro-Class. Chubby 350 (rest unknown) runs low 8's.

4. 86 Cutlass Supreme.  Daily Driver. 307, TH200-C.  Does low 13s.  Will
have a Poncho Big Block 400 (shrugging), guess it's better than sticking
a Chubby in there.

5. 84 IMITATION Hurst.  455, SAD Shape.  Fake W-31 stickers..  COLUMN
SHIFTER! Painted BABY blue with a vinyl top.....  Can you say "not
impressed" runs low 9s

6. 85 Cutlass Supreme. Ch*vy 350.  Car is in sad shape, but it
boogies...  Runs low 9's with a his slicks in the trunk.

And LAST:

87 Cutlass...  Mine.  Runs High 11's.  (11.719 is fastest 1/8 run so
far)

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                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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