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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 9 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1471



Re: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)
Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)
Re: 64 Cutlass Holiday Coupe
RE: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
Re: HEI: buy a "built" one or convert stock unit?
Check this out: Olds V8 in Honda CRX
Re: MAYBE W-32?
Re: Oil Pump Access?
Re: where is the buzzer at help??
Re: Cars and baseball guys
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Remove me from List
UNBOUNCE: '82 Cutlass Steering Wheels
assembly manual
350
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: assembly manual
RE: Oldsmobile-digest V1 #1470
RE: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
re: another choice
Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
re: another choice
re: another choice
Re: another choice
Need VIN plate readers for 70.
Hurst/Olds A/C
Re: assembly manual
Need Decals
Big Mac
Re: assembly manual
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: Big Mac
E.T times for G-body 442's
Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.
71 Olds literature f/s
Re: found around town
Cutlass "Too Hot for TV"
Re: Need Decals
Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
LAST CHANCE.....
'76 cutlass - parting
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Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
Re: Need VIN plate readers for 70.
Re: assembly manual
Re: UNBOUNCE: '82 Cutlass Steering Wheels
Re: 455 Motors
Re: MAYBE W-32?
Rear gear on '86 Salon
Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
Re: E.T times for G-body 442's
Re: where is the buzzer at help??
Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)
RE: Rear gear on '86 Salon
Re: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)
Re: assembly manual
Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
425 Toro into a '65 442 4-spd.
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:30:26 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)

There is only ONE hint that might suggest that this is not an all-original,
unmolested engine:  The passenger side head doesn't have any numbers
stamped
on the little pad up front.
______________

That's as it should be.  The number stamped on the head was last used in
1967.  Starting in 68 the VIN derivative number was stamped on the driver's
side of the block just below the number one exhaust port.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:18:23 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)

your choice.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)


>In a message dated 98-09-04 23:00:42 EDT, you write:
>
><< with any
> luck a delta team can rescue the valve stem caps prior to the air
> engagment...kk >>
>
>Uh....would that Delta taem be an 88 or 98?
>Bruce
>Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:37:28 EDT
From: Bb79ta@aol.com
Subject: Re: 64 Cutlass Holiday Coupe

If you need some info on your 64 holiday coupe I may be able to help.  I have
a 64 hdc with 40,000 orig miles. The car is like new except for a few paint
chips. My grand parents bought it new and  stopped driving it in 1969. I have
been taking care of it since and now own it.  I've gathered info over the
years just in case I need a part.

You can contact me at my  e-mail address;

bb79ta@aol
maybe I can give you some direction.

luck and hve fun?



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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:51:42 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

I'm using a holley 4010 600CFM. I used a standard linkage setup and just
modified the accel. bracket to bolt onto the carb mounts. The cable was
hooked up using various nuts and bolts. It could be better but it works fine
for now. I'm using a manual choke set-up, although I do have the electronic
setup parts. Frankly, I hardly use the choke since I only really use it in
the summer. For winter  start-ups, I stomp on the gas a few times until it
holds an idle. I have yet to correctly set-up the choke properly but that's
for another days tinkering.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	BIGJERMES@aol.com [SMTP:BIGJERMES@aol.com]
> Sent:	Monday, September 07, 1998 11:36 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	who is running a holley or edelbrock?
>
> to all the guys on here running holleys and edelbrocks...   what all did
> you
> have to do to the choke?  linkages?  any other problems?  im wanting to
> put
> either a holley or edelbrock on my '72 olds 350.  its in a '78 cutlass, so
> i
> have a few vacuum lines, but i have eliminated a good many.  i am also
> running
> a 2004r, so ill need some sort of linkage to mate up with my tv cable
> (should
> be the same as running a th350, pretty much).  i need a lot of advise
> before
> dumping the cash.  thanks,
> jeremy

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:52:24 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI: buy a "built" one or convert stock unit?

In a message dated 98-09-08 11:56:53 EDT, you write:

<< I'm thinking of getting an HEI to replace my Mallory Unilite.  Summit
 has a Carburetor shop HEI for $280.  >>
Greg,

I have a HEI that I sent to Carb Shop for rebuild and they did a fantastic
job.
Cost me $110 for rebuild. Incl. Polishing housing / new bushings / new wt's &
springs. Gave them My cam specs and wht I wanted it to be locked out at total
36 deg. at 2800 rpm. Also running MSA 6AL with blaster coil. I couldn't be
more pleased with performance and looks.  Run best of 11.80 / 114 mph and
drive it on street regularly.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:53:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Check this out: Olds V8 in Honda CRX

Greetings,

I've been off the list for about a month, but I saw this car and thought
you people might like to hear about it.  I found it on the webpage for
Mother's (the car care/wax people) under customer's cars.  The car is a
Honda CRX with the Honda engine in front and a "468 cubic inch Oldsmobile
V8" in the rear.

The car is at
http://www.mothers.com/coolcars/customer-coolcars/customer-coolcars_Txt/Eddies8
4
CRX.html

A caption from the page:

"No formal time tests have been made yet, but owner
 estimates 0-60 in about 2-2.5 seconds, 1/4 mile at 9.25
 and 160 mph on about 1000 HP. It handles perfectly
 straight up to 130 mph - top speed so far."

Check it out!

- --                            ______________                     _
Drew Senko                   / Convertibles \                    |\
dsenko@uu.net                \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
Vienna, VA, USA                            O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva              o o  =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:13:48 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAYBE W-32?

Joe,

As an owner of a 70 SX, I can agree that not all SX's are W32's, as mine
isn't.  I'll have to do some checking to find out when it was produced, but I
believe it was an early model.

But that 455 does well even with a 2-barrel!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:26:13 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pump Access?

Yes, definitely.  I had a 70 Cutlass with 455 and changed the oil pump once.
You do have to raise the engine up a good 2 inches.  This is done by removing
the bolt on the right motor mount and tilting the right side of the engine up.
I just put a block of wood under the harmonic balancer and starting
jacking.  No problems, other than to get to that point you have to remove
exhaust, tranny, and tons of other stuff.  A very involved job.  If you're
doing this to remedy a low oil pressure situation I wouldn't bother.  Time and
again it is the bearings that result in low oil pressure, not the pump.

>I was wondering if anyone out there ever tried to gain access to the oil
>pump in an 70-72 Olds 442 while the motor was in the car. Is it possible to
>drop the pan and gain access to the oil pump while the motor is in the
>car??

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: where is the buzzer at help??

- ---RICH6986@aol.com wrote:
>
> the buzzer that goes off when you leave your lights on where is it
located
> under dash? where   TIA    Rich          oh its an 85 cutlass
supreme V-6 3.8
>
Rich,
- -------Mine was(and I do mean WAS)under the dash,basically behind and
under the left-hand side of the instument cluster....the previous
owner had replaced the stock one with one of those *&%^#@&* musical
ones...didn't have a stock one to replace with...so I just don't leave
my lights on....well not after the first dead battery:)
                SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:18:59 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Cars and baseball guys

Don, He is a class act, and not because I'm from St. Louis. Sosa comes
across a real fine person also, My guess is one or the other will hit 71
before the season is over. Any predictions. Sorry, not Olds related but
they may have one at home, garaged.
Lou Biggs

> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Cars and baseball guys
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 3:45 PM
 > Big deal to all baseball fans whether Cardinal fans or not.  Mac seems
> to be a pretty class act given the situation, etc.
> I doubt any of us are. You never know, he might have a 442 at the house
> for joyrides. And for the Cubbie fans on the list I think Sosa has shown
> a lot of class during this whole thing also.  What car does he drive?
> If he stays healthy, the home run record might get into the 70s before
> it's over with.  Once #62 is history the pressure and hype will lessen
> considerably.  Never know how many might go out once they (and the
> opposing pitchers) get forget about it somewhat.



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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:44:06 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

You Wrote:
   From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:39 PM
>
> the last time I checked that big stearman radial was really heavy dont
think
> the 455 would out weigh it but it would need a lot of ponies and a
propspeed
> reduction unit to fly oh dont forget an faa certifaction as an
alternative
> or experimental engine....kk
: Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine
Kerry, biggest thing I ever soloed in was a Cess. 150. Look like the engine
weighed about 175 lbs. 455 is still is an interesting concept.
                                    Lou Biggs

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:48:20 -0400
From: "Loris Scarnecchia" <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Remove me from List

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:52:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '82 Cutlass Steering Wheels

Not on the list; respond to bkmeredith@telusplanet.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: 82 Cutlass Steering Wheels

I recently picked up two Oldsmobile sport steering wheels at a
Pick-Your-Part recycler.  I don't know, however, which, if any is the
correct wheel for my 82' Cutlass and maybe someone in Olds List-land could
respond privately to my question.

One wheel is a three-spoke aluminum out of an 81 Cutlass. Has the holes in
the aluminum like my 4 spoke for my 70. The other is a two spoke leather
(most of it gone) wrapped wheel which came out of an 84 Cutlass.  The spokes
are not aluminum but black metal. Both wheels have visible cracks and are
maroon in color.  They both match my 82's interior color...lucky me.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Kevin
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:53:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: assembly manual

Hi Guys,

finally got a shop and assembly manual from fusicks. I like the shop
manual and I am sure it is worth the money but the assembly manual is
really poor quality! I think this must come from the problem of copying
blueprints. Do you guys have real bad quality assembly manuals too or is
this something I should not take as a fact and send the thing back?

On some pages I can't read the stuff and can't even make out bolts and
other importhant details!

Regards,
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:06:45 -0700
From: "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
Subject: 350

I am preparing to rebuild my 1972 cutlass supreme's 350. I want to get the
most out of it without pushing it to its limit. What do you suggest.

What do I need to have done to the block and heads before starting to
reassemble.
Greg

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:04:11 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

Karl wrote.
> ((Also I would like to know what Lou Biggs meant about need for dual
ignition
> and dual plugs....))
                                    Karl,
All the small planes I have ridden in had two ignition systems, test engine
on 1 then switch to 2, systems OK? Then they used both at the same time to
take off. In flight use 1 and keep 2 in case of ??  Safety thing. Only
soloed twice, did poorly both times. Do not have license. Tell you
anything. Lou stick to cars.(third person, singular).
Lou

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:14:35 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

Anyone have # or e-mail address for fusicks, need unhood mat, someone
mentioned Metro moulding, having a hard time finding them also, thanks in
advance,
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:13:11 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile-digest V1 #1470

Its Really Only a Cam*ro....  :)
I Run Over Children...  :/

Actually, yes.  It ~is~ the Int'l Race Of Champions, but the cam*ro became
the
most popular version.  The idea was to have hundreds (?) of identically
prepared
vehicles, so that the race was determined ~only~ by driver's skill.  Great
plan,
for whatever that's worth.  I guess for finding millions of identical cars,
the
ch*vy was the obvious choice :)

However, the IROC circuit comes up for renewal every few years, and the
Daytona
really didn't catch on very well.  I haven't followed circle track stuff all
that much, so I don't know which vehicles were used throughout history.  The
IROC cam*ro availble to the public was only a hopped up version of the car,
but
nothing near the version used on the tracks.  It just stuck, for the
mainstream
of public, as a sports car term...  The idea of an IROC Cutlass has always
appealed to me, but the fact that che*y had one earlier kinda loses it for
me...



Ahhh. But wait until you view the Cutlass IROC. Your interest will be
renewed...

Many manufacturers have utilized the term IROC. Yes, Che*y is the most
generally referenced. Nonetheless, I too, always considered the G-Body Olds
a splendid candidate for IROC modeling. It's squairish yet elegant body
lines mated to the angular lines of IROC modeling so sublimely that I think
most will be impressed. Even some proud that Olds will now have it's own
International Race of Champions version. Don't vote till you view.

The list will get first crack at the web site right after the photo shoot in
apx. 3 weeks. I'll also have "Quincy" at Englishtown the Sept 10-11 and at
the Sufferen NY stop of the Hot Rod (Peterson Publishing) East Coast Cruz.

While the interior and drive line will remain stock, the body styling is
complete. It is that that will be on display (preview). The remainder of the
car completion will be performed over the winter here in NY. Spring will
debut the completed car nationally.

Several Option packages will be utilized to produce Street, Strip, and yes a
true to form Cutlass IROC for the track. You might just see the Cutlass IROC
take the field for One of the year 2000 or 2001 IROC races.

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs

For more info:
gjcouse@mhonline.net

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:20:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

 to all the guys on here running holleys and edelbrocks...   what all
did you have to do to the choke?  linkages?  any other problems?  im
wanting to put either a holley or edelbrock on my '72 olds 350.  its
in a '78 cutlass, so i have a few vacuum lines, but i have eliminated
a good many.  i am also running a 2004r, so ill need some sort of
linkage to mate up with my tv cable (should be the same as running a
th350, pretty much).  i need a lot of advise before dumping the cash.

- -----I vote for either the Edelbrock or the Q-jet...Never had a lot of
luck with Holley...although I have friends who run them....and about
as many who ran Holley's that now run Q-jets or Edelbrock...My advice
is find someone good at Q-jets---get it hopped up,or the Edelbrock....
                    just my input...keep us updated what ever you
decide.
                  SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 20:01:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: re: another choice

Well all...

I decided not to buy that '72 98... 350 would just make me a little too
cramped for money right now... did however make an offer on another car.
I offered 200 bucks for a 1972 98 Ambulance.  Car has 455 (DOH!!) but has
not been running in at LEAST 10 years that I know of though the motor is
not stuck.  Owner told me he'd "think about it" which is quite a bit from
this guy... I've been trying to wear him down to sell the car to me for 3
years now ;-).  The car is quite a bit rustier than it was 3 years ago :-(
but only really surface... and still fixable... also a window (back d-side
door) was shot out within the last few months... the window shattered but
has not fallen in yet. Anybody have any suggestions for removing this
windows without damaging either I or the car (assuming the owner accepts
my offer).  Was thinking about knocking the glass out from the inside so
as not to get shards everywhere inside the car with a hammer or something.
Glass will probably fall in if/when I move the car from it's present
location.  Also would the glass be different from a standard 4
door 98 (the car IS a 4 door ambulance) ie: would I have to have
the replacement glass custom made?  Assuming the owner accepts my offer...
I'll reply later with some stats, pics, etc.  If the owner does not accept
(He's been using it as a bill-board for his business for the past 10 years
or more on the side of the road) I've decided to offer the same 200 for
those 2 1964 Dynamics an offer which I'm nearly positive will be
accepted.

Oh well... it's only m... m... money...



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |           http://www.442.com/pierce.html
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
BIG MAYBE    1972 Oldsmobile 98 Ambulance
                (455, 4bbl, TH400)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:30:57 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

<< to all the guys on here running holleys and edelbrocks...   what all did
you
 have to do to the choke?  linkages?  any other problems?  im wanting to put
 either a holley or edelbrock on my '72 olds 350.  its in a '78 cutlass, so i
 have a few vacuum lines, but i have eliminated a good many.  i am also
running
 a 2004r, so ill need some sort of linkage to mate up with my tv cable (should
 be the same as running a th350, pretty much).  i need a lot of advise before
 dumping the cash.  thanks,
 jeremy
  >>
i have used all three carbs mentioned.  the q-jet is easiest to get linkages
for because it was standard.  i prefer to use edelbrock carbs.  they are alot
better carb for everyday driving applications.  the only holley i would use
again is the 650 vac/sec q-jet type.  if you do go with holley don't go with
the double pumpers.  i have used electric chokes on the q-jet and holley.
very simple to hook up.  the edelbrock carb had a manual choke which i never
used.  typical of a florida carb.  the only time you actually need a choke is
in colder weather.  also you might want to look into carter afb's.  same exact
carb as edelbrock.  both are made by weber usa.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: re: another choice

- ---Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu> wrote:
. also a window (back d-side
> door) was shot out within the last few months... the window
shattered but
> has not fallen in yet. Anybody have any suggestions for removing this
> windows without damaging either I or the car (

- ---How about a blanket(or similar) and knock it in..using the blanket
or whatever to catch the glass,that way it doesn't go all over
outside....another thought....get some REALLY thick gloves and see if
you can't remove as big a pieces as allowed....not a fun thought...buy
less mess to clean up....unless you get cut(OUCH!!!)

Also...another warning...DON'T ,under any circumstances allow your
girlfriend/wife hold the pressure wash hose while you hold the
part....I knew better,did it anyway...DAMN that hurts:).3500psi will
etch concrete and SEVERELY cut skin...trust me:(
                SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: re: another choice

- ---S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu> wrote:
> . also a window (back d-side
> > door) was shot out within the last few months... the window
> shattered but
> > has not fallen in yet. Anybody have any suggestions for removing
this
> > windows without damaging either I or the car (
- ---Another thought....how about investing $2.00 or so in some good
packing or duct tape....tape around ,leaving about 1-2" on edges and
then tap edges out and remove the center section....I know this sounds
like a lot of work...but if you've ever had a piece of broken glass in
your car.....even after thourough vacumning you find glass for
months....at any rate...safety first....I know after my last post I
sound like a walking accident...but sometimes we all need to be a
little more careful...
              SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:05:32 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: another choice

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> Also would the glass be different from a standard 4
> door 98 (the car IS a 4 door ambulance) ie: would I have to have
> the replacement glass custom made?

A standard Olds 98 window will not fit in this vehicle.  Most Hearses
and Ambulances were built by Cotner/Bevington on 98 chassis.  These
vehicles had doors with window frames whereas regular production 98
sedans were all pillarless hardtops.  Also, these C/B units stand much
taller than a regular production car.  I doubt that even the windshields
interchange.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:17:45 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Need VIN plate readers for 70.

Could somebody help me decode this? I've got some of it already.

> ST70-33687BF05911  BDY
> TR 942     45 45   PNT
> 03C 382685 320 360

1970
Oldsmobile
Cutlass V-8 Holiday Coupe
BF09511: ??????
942: ??????
45/45: Aspen Green-body+int.
03C: ??????
382685: ???????
320: ??????
360: ??????

Thanx guys!

BTW- Where can one find the resources to decode this stuff?
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 21:14:25 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Hurst/Olds A/C

The answer to the $64,000 question is...

According to Oldsmobile New Car Merchansing Bulletins NCM 83-5, dated
August 5, 1982 and NCM 83-5 REVISED, dated November 29, 1982, C60 Air
Conditioning was a required option.  '84 was probably the same.  I can
research it if someone needs me to.

Now you know...  the rest of the story...  goooood day!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:20:49 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

>Anyone have # or e-mail address for fusicks, need unhood mat, someone
mentioned Metro moulding,

Hey Lou,

Try these for Fusick's. Web site www.fusick.com ,phone # 860-623-1583 (also
1589) and e-mail is dj442@ix.netcom.com

Metro, damn I can't find their catalog.....got it here somewhere.
Let you know when i find it.

Hope this helps,
Randy

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:21:30 -0400
From: "Ulysses Melen" <Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Need Decals

To whom,

I have a friend that is looking for the decal package off an 85 Cutlass 442.
I believe what he's specifically looking for is the 442 gold door decals.
Since I really don't know that much about that year can I get some help.  Is
this a question for Dr. Decal??

Ulysses
Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:30:51 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Big Mac

At 8:17 PM CST, Mac put one over the left field wall, number 62. Congrats,
Big Mac!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:32:54 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

thanks Randy,
Lou

- ----------
> From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: assembly manual
> Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 4:20 PM
>
>
>
>
> >Anyone have # or e-mail address for fusicks, need unhood mat, someone
> mentioned Metro moulding,
>
> Hey Lou,
>
> Try these for Fusick's. Web site www.fusick.com ,phone # 860-623-1583
(also
> 1589) and e-mail is dj442@ix.netcom.com
>
> Metro, damn I can't find their catalog.....got it here somewhere.
> Let you know when i find it.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Randy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:53:57 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

Had an E-mail from another source today - has a 454 Chev running "inverted";
direct drive to his prop.

Says it runs great!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:08:23 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Big Mac

'Bout time!  I was getting real tired of all those sports casters
practically claiming to know what Mac's thinking.  "Well, I know that Mac
wants nothing more right now than to...".  Just be quiet and let us watch
the stinkin' game!

Yep, congrats Big Mac.  I used to watch him when he played for the A's back
in Oakland.  When I used to live out there, we'd make it to at least 5 games
per season.  That's when Canseco and Lansford played for the A's then also.
And Gallego, the two Hendersons...ahh, those were the days!  He was THE MAN
back then and still is!  (I still have my halloween costume I wore back
then...you guessed it, a full Mark McGwire uniform!)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: Scott & Kim McCormick <mccormic@intertek.net>; Randy Valentine
<valentines4@juno.com>; Pat & Lynn Forness <forness@erols.com>; Olds List
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Bill Foran <bforan1941@aol.com>; Gary Cobb
<gary.cobb@penco.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 9:29 PM
Subject: Big Mac


>At 8:17 PM CST, Mac put one over the left field wall, number 62. Congrats,
>Big Mac!
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:21:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: E.T times for G-body 442's

could anyone tell me what the G-body 442's ran in the quarter mile???? and
are the Hurst Olds any faster???  thanks Nathyn

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:24:21 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.

In a message dated 9/7/98 11:51:53 PM Central Daylight Time, buehner@lyrea.com
writes:

<<
 Its Really Only a Cam*ro....  :)
 I Run Over Children...  :/

 Actually, yes.  It ~is~ the Int'l Race Of Champions, but the cam*ro became
the
 most popular version. >>



I have also seen IROC on the side of two different Cavaliers.  both were 1989
Cav Z24's w/ 2.8 mfi.


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:39:27 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: 71 Olds literature f/s

I have an original Oldsmobile sale brochure f/s that I bought at the Barrett-
Jackson auction last year.  Contains Toronado/98/Delta 88/Cutlass/442/and
station wagon
It is in very good condition and since I now have a 70 I just would like to
get my $ back out of it...$24.

Also have 71 W30 442 Ad that is 2pages in very good condition. Car is across
both pages, but does have a good cut and matches up well.   Car is blue ht
with white stripes and int. Would make a nice frame up.  Again just wanting to
get what I paid for it, and hope someone else will enjoy it...$10
David OCA 30416
70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:41:43 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: found around town

Where is around town?  Is it just past Corner or Bend?  I do know of some
folks looking for a nice 70 conv.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:42:57 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass "Too Hot for TV"

     Saw a 1983 H/O today out in the country off the blacktop road real close
to the fence but it didn't have a 4 sale sign on it...lot of dust on it, but I
have seen it before, and from the outside it looks real, real good....(Ryan
drooling)
     Then a little while later back in town I saw what must have been about an
72 Cutlass that was painted an after market metalic teal, oh ya and the white
rag was down...interior looked perfect too.  Get this, it was on a new
construction site, I think the owner of the car must be building/buying one of
the new garages, oops house, that it was sitting in front of.  (more drool)
     I guess the only other news recently is that my mother moved away from
her 6 yr. boyfriend (very long story; see divorce and terrible childhood
digest) but in the ordeal she made off with a 1983 CSB I think with the 307.
The woman-beating bastard must of felt sorry for her and let her have it....He
kept the 98 Dodge pickup and the Caddy.   He might get is @ss kicked soon
too.......anyway..........The car has a lot of rust but a lot of life !


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:47:56 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Need Decals

dealer?...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ulysses Melen <Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 6:26 PM
Subject: Need Decals


>To whom,
>
>I have a friend that is looking for the decal package off an 85 Cutlass
442.
>I believe what he's specifically looking for is the 442 gold door decals.
>Since I really don't know that much about that year can I get some help.
Is
>this a question for Dr. Decal??
>
>Ulysses
>Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:06:50 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

In a message dated 9/8/98 7:22:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, super442@yahoo.com
writes:

<< I vote for either the Edelbrock or the Q-jet...Never had a lot of
 luck with Holley...although I have friends who run them....and about
 as many who ran Holley's that now run Q-jets or Edelbrock...My advice
 is find someone good at Q-jets---get it hopped up,or the Edelbrock....
                     just my input...keep us updated what ever you
 decide. >>

well, ive been fiddling with several q-jets on my car, and the one i have on
there now runs pretty good, but i guess i just dont have much faith in myself.
i just think more power could be had with a aftermarket carb.  also, sometimes
when the car is floored, im getting a little smoke out of the exhaust.  not
oil, i dont think, the engine was totally rebuilt 20,000 miles ago.  the
carburator i have now has cross drilled air tubes, opened up jets a tad bit to
compensate for the carb being a late model one, and i also did several other
things that i read to do in a carb rebuild book.  this particular carb has
been rebuilt about 4 times.  totally cleaned and soaked in a 5 gallon can of
carb cleaner each rebuild.  another thing is that i never did get any more
than about 15psi of vacuum.  the cam is a edelbrock performer and so is the
intake.
jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:09:49 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: LAST CHANCE.....

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THURS-SUN  SEPT 17-20 UNLIMITED ACCESS TO BLUE AND ORANGE FIELDS.
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:04:29 -0400
From: "PATT" <pdooley@gte.net>
Subject: '76 cutlass - parting

Ft. & rear bumpers - reconditioned
interior - burgundy
tail light lenses
swivel bucket seats -recovered, never installed
(2) tilt steering - 1 column shift, 1 floor shift
most body parts - good shape
hood "chrome" - not that plastic coat garbage that cracks and clouds, say
that was a great idea.
emblems
grill
... rust got ahead of me, what can I say: Florida!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:25:36 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: unsubscribe



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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:22:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

- ---BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

 i just think more power could be had with a aftermarket carb. the cam
is a edelbrock performer and so is the intake.

- ----Sounds like the Edelbrock carb might be a good option....supposed
to be"matched components",....someone else earlier wrote about the
"tech book" and tunability of them...I agree....
              Good luck,
                         SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need VIN plate readers for 70.

- ---Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu> wrote:
>
> Could somebody help me decode this? I've got some of it already.
>
> > ST70-33687BF05911  BDY
> > TR 942     45 45   PNT
> > 03C 382685 320 360
>
> 1970
> Oldsmobile
> Cutlass V-8 Holiday Coupe
> BF09511: ??????
> 942: ??????
> 45/45: Aspen Green-body+int.
> 03C: ??????
> 382685: ???????
> 320: ??????
> 360: ??????
>
> Thanx guys!
>
> BTW- Where can one find the resources to decode this stuff?
> --


BF  Freemont, CA (Assembly plant)
09511  Production Number
942 Green (Split bench seat, I think)
45/45 Aspen Green lower and upper body
03C Time Build Code  03 March  C Third week
I'm not sure about the other numbers.

     I use the Chassie Service Manual to find the information.

                                                 Larry
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:25:14 -0400
From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

All the assembly manuals that I've seen, including mine are of poor quality.
Probably copies made from copies made from copies etc.

Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
1987 GN (WE2)
OCA # 028157
www.wmachines.com

>finally got a shop and assembly manual from fusicks. I like the shop
>manual and I am sure it is worth the money but the assembly manual is
>really poor quality!
>Regards,
>George

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:27:19 -0400
From: "PATT" <pdooley@gte.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '82 Cutlass Steering Wheels

The best I can tell you is that '82 had it's own wheels, 81 had it's own,
'84 had it's own... get the trend?  If you're looking for a cross-over guide
look at your owners manual.  Hey,  that steering wheel from the '84 you got
looks best... got one on my '78.  The wheel is a personal thing, to my
experience nobody will dare tell you "oh hey, that's the wrong wheel...
you're not a real Olds' collector -"  and if someone does you have every
right to tell them to go straight to hell!
The Rick mon has spoken
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 6:55 PM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '82 Cutlass Steering Wheels


>Not on the list; respond to bkmeredith@telusplanet.net if you can assist.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
>Subject: 82 Cutlass Steering Wheels
>
>I recently picked up two Oldsmobile sport steering wheels at a
>Pick-Your-Part recycler.  I don't know, however, which, if any is the
>correct wheel for my 82' Cutlass and maybe someone in Olds List-land could
>respond privately to my question.
>
>One wheel is a three-spoke aluminum out of an 81 Cutlass. Has the holes in
>the aluminum like my 4 spoke for my 70. The other is a two spoke leather
>(most of it gone) wrapped wheel which came out of an 84 Cutlass.  The
spokes
>are not aluminum but black metal. Both wheels have visible cracks and are
>maroon in color.  They both match my 82's interior color...lucky me.
>
>Thanks in advance for any info.
>
>Kevin
>mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
>

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:29:16 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 Motors

I *thought* the last year for the 455 was 1976, but good 'ole Chilton's...if
anyone has the 1970-1987 Cutlass book, check out page 79.  It lists the 403
and 455 as engines for the years "1976-77".

Good 'ole Chiltons...

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: 455 Motors


>You could definitely order one in 1976...possibly in 1977 also.  Not in
>1978, though.
>
>Jason Adcock
>_____________
>
>The 403 was released in 1977 to replace the discontinued 455.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:36:32 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: MAYBE W-32?

Wow, 500 lb-ft from a 350!?   Not arguing, just amazed.

Actually, here's what the Chiltons says (call me a hypocrite...see my post
on last year of 455) for 350's during the 1970 year:

350  2-bbl  250@4400  355@2600  9.00:1
350  4-bbl  310@4800  390@3200  10.25:1
350  4-bbl  325@5400  360@3600  10.50:1 <- W-31 Motor

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: WMACHINES@aol.com <WMACHINES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: MAYBE W-32?

>Well Joe, the Oldsmobile F85,442,Cutlass,Rallye 350 Specification and
Feature
>Manual says this
>SX Conversion W-32, horse power at rpm   320 at 4200
>torque at rpm   500 at 2400
>compression 10.25
>carburetor barrels (no.)   2
>Fuel recommended  Premium
>
>W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:03:07 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Rear gear on '86 Salon

My friend just recently got a '86 Cutlass Salon.  The car is loaded with
air, cruise, T-tops, buckets, console, pwr everything, etc.  It is a
Canadian car with the all famouse (****, no offence to anyone) Chevy 305 and
the 200R4 trans.  The book on the car states that the car came with 2.14s
with V8 and 3.73s with 4-speed auto.  His tach is screwed so we can't look
at RPMs at 60 and plug it into the formula.  The car is so so quick off the
line, but the engine is guttless.  It feels like it has some gear but I
don't know if it is that much.  So, does anyone know if these cars had 3.73s
with OD or what is likely in there.  I am thinking 2.73s or so.  My '81
Regency with older and more used 307 (but still in great shape), 200R4,
2.56s, PROPANE can trail him off the line, and go faster past 40mph and
higher top speed.  When we go 75mph and step on it, I can leave him pretty
good.  Imagene my engine in that Cutlass.  Thought it would be nothing like
my 455 Delta (by the way it seems that noone knows what the max. lift on the
cam is with stock valvetrain) it would certanly go faster then the 305 (even
with the 307s 30,000 more miles and 5 years).  My delta while it still had
307 and 2.41s and high high mileage was quite a bit faster than that
Cutlass.  Anyways, please tell me what choices the rear axel ratio the '86
had for a Cutlass, what he probable has in there and how to varify it
without poping the dif. cover.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 4-dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 4-dr (307/200r4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:34:11 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon

In a message dated 9/9/98 1:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< Anyways, please tell me what choices the rear axel ratio the '86
 had for a Cutlass, what he probable has in there and how to varify it
 without poping the dif. cover.  Thanks. >>

it could have a 3.73, i think, but thats kinda rare.  probly more like a 3.08
ratio.
jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:02:43 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: E.T times for G-body 442's

Nathyn M. Knipe wrote:

	
	could anyone tell me what the G-body 442's ran in the quarter
mile???? And are the Hurst Olds any faster???  thanks Nathyn

	Slow.  Verrrrrrryy sloooowwww...(Just kidding!  :-)

	Aw, SOMEBODY had to say it....

	Doug Newman        OCA # 30311
	Columbus, MS        1987 442

	http://www.442.com/newman.html
	http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:51:54 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: where is the buzzer at help??

In a message dated 98-09-08 18:28:57 EDT, you write:

<< -------Mine was(and I do mean WAS)under the dash,basically behind and
 under the left-hand side of the instument cluster....the previous
 owner had replaced the stock one with one of those *&%^#@&* musical
 ones...didn't have a stock one to replace with...so I just don't leave
 my lights on....well not after the first dead battery:)
 >>

I bought a replacement from my Olds dealer for about $13. The way you hook it
up is:(with the engine and dash lights off)

1)attach one of the two wires of the unit to the fuse that controls your dash,
head & parking lights.
2) put your lights on
3) touch any other fuse with the other wire of the unit until it buzzes.
Connect that wire to the fuse and your're done.
BTW, NAPA also has the same unit for about $6 but the tone is not as good and
of course it's not GM.
PS. Also put it on my 56 Benz and it works great!
Good Luck,
Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv.


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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:28:17 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon

I think most of the "regular" Cutlasses (in America anyway) had 2.56:1's
with an overdrive tranny.  2.73's and 3.08's were probably an option, but
not 3.73:1.  Only the Hurst/Olds and 442 got those.  Also, only the
performance Oldsies got the 8.5" rear, so that might further back up this
statement.  But of course in Canada, it might be different.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon


>In a message dated 9/9/98 1:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
igor455@home.com
>writes:
>
><< Anyways, please tell me what choices the rear axel ratio the '86
> had for a Cutlass, what he probable has in there and how to varify it
> without poping the dif. cover.  Thanks. >>
>
>it could have a 3.73, i think, but thats kinda rare.  probly more like a
3.08
>ratio.
>jeremy

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:35:45 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Actually, here's what the Chiltons says (call me a hypocrite...see my post
> on last year of 455) for 350's during the 1970 year:
>
> 350  2-bbl  250@4400  355@2600  9.00:1
> 350  4-bbl  310@4800  390@3200  10.25:1
> 350  4-bbl  325@5400  360@3600  10.50:1 <- W-31 Motor

Wow. Those are some good numbers.

How did they get 10.25-10.5:1 compression, did they mill down the heads
more? Thinner head gaskets? I hear the ones from DMR work very well.
I'd like to get these kind of numbers out of my 350 2bbl. I was thinking
about just slapping on a 4bbl, but it looks like I'll need to do more
than that.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:38:23 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Rear gear on '86 Salon

If you go to John's web page you will find the G-body codes for all the
gears offered, it's an excellent page with good info, check it out.

http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/OldsTech.html

> ----------
> From: 	Jason Adcock[SMTP:rocketolds@vt.edu]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, September 09, 1998 9:28 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
>
> I think most of the "regular" Cutlasses (in America anyway) had
> 2.56:1's
> with an overdrive tranny.  2.73's and 3.08's were probably an option,
> but
> not 3.73:1.  Only the Hurst/Olds and 442 got those.  Also, only the
> performance Oldsies got the 8.5" rear, so that might further back up
> this
> statement.  But of course in Canada, it might be different.
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BIGJERMES@aol.com <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 1:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
>
>
> >In a message dated 9/9/98 1:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> igor455@home.com
> >writes:
> >
> ><< Anyways, please tell me what choices the rear axel ratio the '86
> > had for a Cutlass, what he probable has in there and how to varify
> it
> > without poping the dif. cover.  Thanks. >>
> >
> >it could have a 3.73, i think, but thats kinda rare.  probly more
> like a
> 3.08
> >ratio.
> >jeremy
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:38:33 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)

I think the W-31's got the same treatment the 9 307's got versus the Y 307's
during the 80's.  Different carburetors, hotter camshafts, taller valve
springs, possibly different heads (the 9's didn't get different ones,
though).  I'm sure there are some W-31 buffs out there who could enlighten
us...

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 9:31 AM
Subject: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)



>Wow. Those are some good numbers.
>
>How did they get 10.25-10.5:1 compression, did they mill down the heads
>more? Thinner head gaskets? I hear the ones from DMR work very well.
>I'd like to get these kind of numbers out of my 350 2bbl. I was thinking
>about just slapping on a 4bbl, but it looks like I'll need to do more
>than that.

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:10:46 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: assembly manual

In a message dated 98-09-08 18:56:31 EDT, you write:

<< Do you guys have real bad quality assembly manuals too or is
 this something I should not take as a fact and send the thing back? >>

Karl gots '65 Cutlass assy manual (not an abbreviation)

Actually most pages are OK, but some are poor reproductions.

If CRITICAL pages are bad, send back.

Mebbe there are better reproductions out there.

But acid test: What year assy man?

Mebbe others with same assy man. have just as bad.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 10:18:43 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon

How do I determine which rear end my 85 Cutlass has? It's got a very
heavy duty suspension, and it seems to launch very quickly, but there's
no tag on it...

Jim...

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 09:17:34 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uic.edu>
Subject: 425 Toro into a '65 442 4-spd.

I pulled the 425 from the '66 Toro I picked up a week ago last
Saturday.  I couldn't find anyone who wanted the entire car and could
pick it up over Labor Day (ran out of time to part it and cut up the
frame too) so off it went to Victory Auto Wreckers.  Too bad, the car
had 25,000 miles on it, but was hit in the rear by a semi.  Still had
plenty of good sheetmetal, however the vinyl top adsorbed rain, rusted
out the hard top which then introduced rain to the carpet and rusted out
the floors.

Now to my questions.  I have a '65 442, 4-spd.  Other than changing the
oil filter mount, are there any other mods or problms I will encounter
in putting this engine in my car?  I haven't check for the z-bar mount
yet and I noticed tat the starter on the Toro was on the passanger
side.  I assume that I can ount my starter on the driver's side.

Also, does anyone know the specs for the cam in the 425?  I know it has
0.921 in diameter lifters, 0.472 lift and 55 degrees overlap, but I was
wondering what the lift at 0.05 was.


Thanks in advance.


Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:21:12 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 98-09-08 13:50:25 EDT, you write:

<< the EFI would be vastly superior to carbs then there is the RPM thing the
speed is prop speed not necessarily crank speed the IGN would be better served
by magnetos preferably dual for redundancy the plugs will need to be like
bosch with screw on plug wires eyelet held with a nut dual plugs are not
necessary but dual IGN systems yes this leaves oiling DRYSUMP is the only way
to fly this makes aerobatics possible without loss of lube leaving only weight
and balance >>

OK
Second reference during this trhead to dry sump.

What do you guys mean by that?

Karl agrees that prop speed is most important, but thinks may well be possible
to regulate the 455 for only RPM's up to 2000. In which case prop speed can
equal crank speed.

Please explain to someone who will not see a 'strip anytime soon (no rad catch
can, driveshaft loop, or brain bucket and too much neoprene fuel hose) why
magneto is superior to HEI in an aeronautical sense.

<< .. screw on plug wires eyelet held with a nut .. >>

Eyelet?
If you are advocating max contact between electrical leads then of course I
concur. But still plead ignorance to what you said in the first place.
I have not seen eyelets on spark plugs.

Please explain?

Thanks!

BTW:
It occurs to Karl that this swap would be easier with an olds 350 as these
were avalable with FI in the later 70's and early 80's. or at the very least,
307 intakes and cyl heads should fit old 350 blocks!

That is a premise Karl fuly intends to build on...

SOM
&KA

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