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oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 10 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1475



Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
assebly manuals
Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
list DISCOUNTS!!!
Re: O4B
Re: names
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: assebly manuals
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: assembly manual
Re: Hotchkis Suspension
RE: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)
Re: Wet Sump Vs. Dry Sump Oil Pans
Re: Smoke from the carb
Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
Rocket Talk, Maybe.
RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
Roket Talk...mebbe..
Re: names
Re: names
Re: names
RE: names
Re: names
Re: names
Re: names
Re: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
403 motor
RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
Re: assembly manual
'72 Delta 88 convertible for sale
RE: assembly manual
H&lp on Collectibility Status of '87 442
(Event): BOPC show for the year 2000
Interesting Classified Ad
Toro cam specs wanted
403 motor
Smoke from the carb
Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings
Re: names
Re: names
Re: names
Re: 403 motor
403 motor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?(Ray=B4s?= -87)
Re: names
Re: names
UNBOUNCE: '83/'84 H/O Rims
UNBOUNCE:  More on counting turns
Re: names
UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: names
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
crank question
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: names
Re: crank question
Re: crank question

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:38:55 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

Can I get a Toro OIL PAN?

- -----Original Message-----

>More info.
>
>Jack Bazur (sp?) called me this morn.
>
>The Toro-deal is still kinda tentative.
>$$$ agreed on but date not set.
>Jack busy guy.
>
>Basicly we'll try to strip the toro's of all valuable bits in little time
>left.
>
>If anyone needs the frame for a toro (Karl not know what years available),
>speak up.
>
>This "transaction" will prolly be limited to one or two days so may not be
>able to stip all the good stuff.
>
>Yes, all efforts will be made to preserve good sheetmetal.
>
>BTW; what is the quickest way to remove an engine from a yarde-car?
>Yah engine mounts.
>Can they be got at with car on ground?
>Likely will be using impact wrench (or B.F.H.)!!
>
>Thanks!
>
>SOM
>&KA
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:41:51 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

Essentially, we need performance at low RPM.

Low-performance?
___________

No, not low performance, but an engine optimized for low-RPM performance.
It turns out that internal combustion engines can be pretty easily
optimized for max output and efficiency within a narrow RPM range.  The
problem comes when one wants to drive an engine on the street, which
requires useable HP and torque over the range from 1500 RPM to 6000 RPM.
This entails a series of compromises in cam profile, intake and exhaust
tract tuning, etc (thus the variable geometry intake manifolds on many new
cars).  Optimizing a 455 for low RPM output requires long, relatively
narrow intake and exhaust plumbing.  This will build airflow velocity and
if the length is correctly matched to the engine and RPM, can provide a ram
induction effect to push volumetric efficiency over 100%.  Witness the old
413 Chrysler motors with the long ram manifolds that actually placed the
carbs outboard of the valve covers.

"He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
I've got a fuel-injected engine sittin' under my hood..."

                    Shut Down
                    The Beach Boys


Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:14:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 15th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  My wife and I again are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sunday, Sept 13, 1998.   This is a
successful and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for
this year.  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking
lot, which is right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully
visible to thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also
conveniently located next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront
Landing, and right next door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of
our proud sponsors).  We had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A
total of well over 100 cars were on display.  This year we anticipate the
largest turnout ever.


I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  If you go to the show, make sure you come by and say hi.  I will be
at either of two places, the DJ table, or near my car (Blue 1969 4-4-2 with
factory white racing stripes on the hood)  Also, food and beverages will be
available.

Here is the information:
SUNDAY, Sept. 13, 1998, 8am-4pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile
Funshow.  Car Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The
Archway Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or
classic Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles
Banquet center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and
trophies given away in 16 categories.  Cruise by and check out the show
while the DJ plays the golden Oldies.  For more information call John
Palmberger (314)-355-4864 or Jeff Zeilmann (314) 939-4613.

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Best
Western (the Hotel that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).  There are 3
hotels within one block of the show, and nearly a dozen within a one mile
radius of the show.

ps. The '69 4-4-2 will definitely be there (just got the carb rebuilt!)
  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:06:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: assebly manuals

Suggestion would be to instead of buying reprints, you can often, given a
little bit of looking, find an original, often easier to read, and often
CHEAPER!

Here are some examples that I found in a quick search:

OLDSMOBILE DIVISION: 1980 OLDSMOBILE SERVICE MANUAL ;
OLDSMOBILE DIV; GENERAL MOTORS; 1979; 8.5X11 SOFT PAPER; VG.
Offered for sale by BROWN'S BOOKSTORE at US$30.00
JO ANN BROWN, BROWN'S BOOKSTORE
111 N. RIDGEWOOD AVE
141 OAK RIDGE AVE.
EDGEWATER, FL 32132 USA Tel: 904-426-5477 OR 904-426-8411
Email Address: jabooks@n-jcenter.com

1966 Oldsmobile Chassis Service Manual. ; GM Corp. (1965).,
Comprehensive service manual in poor condition: ex-library markings,
a number ofthe electrical pages have been removed, heavy cover wear.
Nevertheless, aninvaluble reference for the owner of this classic.
6cm thick., Automobile/ Automotive/ Cars OLDSMOBILESERVICEREPAIR
(UR#:1951)  Offered for sale by Charles Berry, Bookseller at US$9.00
Charles Berry, Charles Berry, Bookseller,
P.O. Box 81
Mendocino, CA 95460 USA
Email Address: bookman@mcn.org

1962 Oldsmobile Starfire F-85 Service Manual ; Lansing, Mich. 1961,
Near Fine in Wrappers, 1st. ed. Folio.  Illustrated in color and black
and white's. A complete manual   (UR#:EASTENDB009228)
Offered for sale by East End Booksellers at US$30.00
Cathy Linsk
East End Booksellers
PO Box 1976
East Hampton, NY 11937 USA
Tel: 516-329-4589 Fax: 516-329-8863
Email Address: linsk@peconic.net

Oldsmobile: Oldsmobile 1975 Chassis Service Manual ; MI: General Motors,1975.
G, lite soil to wraps, yes, Automobiles   (UR#:MAIN009026I)
Offered for sale by 84 Charing Cross, EH? at US$15.00
Sandra & Jeffrey Inskeep-Fox
84 Charing Cross, EH?
102 E. Munising Ave.
Munising, MI 49862 USA Tel: (906) 387-3937 Fax: (906) 387-2649

Oldsmobile Division: 1937 Oldsmobile Shop Manual ; Lansing, MI:
Oldsmobile, 1936. pb, cover dirty; fair, yes, Oldsmobile Oldsmobile
auto repair automobile automobile car   (UR#:MAIN000309I)
Offered for sale by Proud Mary's Booksellers at US$35.00
Mary and Ivan Potter
Proud Mary's Booksellers
617 main Street
Shelbyville, KY 40065 USA
Tel: 502-647-3313
Email Address: proudmarys@ka.net

1980 Oldsmobile Service Manual ; Gen Motors, 1979. Large Softcove,HNR-K001716 
G,
4to.po name., auto mechanic   (UR#:MAIN068988I)
Offered for sale by Berkeley Book Co. (formerly East Bay Books) at US$20.00
Berkeley Book Co. (formerly East Bay Books)
2222 Fifth Street
Berkeley, CA 94710
Tel: 510-883-9622 Fax: 510-883-9628
Email Address: fnbs@dnai.com
(Same Company also has '61, 71, 73, 75, 76, 82, 83 at same price)

Oldsmobile: 1939 Oldsmobile Shop Manual ; 1938 General Motors, very good,
Rare Collectible OLDSMOBILE CARS AUTO MECHNICS CAR REPAIR RARE COLLECTIBL
(UR#:wh5038)  Offered for sale by Wonder Book and Video at US$37.50
Charles Roberts
Wonder Book and Video
1306 West Patrick St
Frederick, MD 21703 USA Tel: 301-694-3547 301-694-9552 Fax: 301-694-5910
Email Address: wbook@fred.net

1971 Oldsmobile Chassis Service Manual ; np: Oldsmobile, 1971. Very good
conditon,
large wrappers as issued no dj, Auto Repair auto repair oldsmobile
(UR#:BOOKS00140I)
Offered for sale by Yesterday's Books at US$35.00
Laurence Michael Dorman
Yesterday's Books
3457 McHenry Ave.
Modesto, CA 95350 USA Tel: 209 521 9623
Email Address: yestrday@inreach.com
(Same company also has '72, '74)


Hope these help somebody... if the list wants it... I could probably post
what manuals I can find once a week... or so... standard disclaimers,
don't know any of these companies, never dealt with them.



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |           http://www.442.com/pierce.html
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:05:45 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and
got to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and
some cartridge rolls, well...

Do I need help?

(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
riding mower, anyone got any ideas?


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:10:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: list DISCOUNTS!!!

Have gotten a contact for getting a club discount at Year One for the
Olds list. If you are intersted, please send your name and an address,
P.O. Box whatever to the following e-mail address:   float@lazarus.ehc.edu
so that you can be included in the member list.  No guaurantees yet... but
am working on it (and another company too).

Discount will probably be for 5 to 10 percent of total purchases.



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |           http://www.442.com/pierce.html
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:12:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vector <tzoemoheo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: O4B

Please remove me from the list.

thanx




==
***TheVector****

- ---------"They must have picked up my sonar! Damn."---------




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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:58:33 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: names

HEY a probe can hurt you. One of those probed the front end of my 442 and
caused a great deal of damage...of course it was not fairing too well...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: names


>Jerry Christopher wrote:
>> Here's my question...
>
><snipetty snip snip>
>
>> I know what an Olds Achieva is...  But what is Achieva, or better yet,
>> Alero?
>> And while I am at it, why is an 88 an 88?
>
>> Monte Carlo - Elegant RICH peoples City????  How did that become a car?
>> Does this mean the less elegant would be like a Chevy Pittsburgh?  Or a
>> Chevy Miami?
>> Citation - NOW THIS IS SOMETHING that SCREAMS "Drive ME"  PLEASE!
>
>
>Any time someone mentions bad car names I can't help but snicker at the
>f*rd Probe-The car won't hurt but you may find it cold and notice some
>slight discomfort.  :)
>
>Then there's the Aspire-  It's not really an automobile but we're
>trying! :)
>
>Olds Content:  I've always wondered, what the heck is Brougham s'posed
>to mean?
>
>Greg Pruett
>72 Vista Cruiser
>67 Cutlass Supremem
>80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:22:37 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 9/10/98
 9:<BR37:<BR06 AM Central Daylight Tim, KarlAune@aol.com writes:

>
>  All we are really doing in discussing an airplane motor is considering how
> to
>  build for a really low torque peak.
>
>  I think it is very possible.
>

And then, how little hp can you live with. Building an engine for *any* RPM
range is a matter of either maximizing or balancing (over a range) the
volumetric efficiency. As Ben has seen with his program, a bit over .5 hp/in^3
is about all you jcan get at 200 RPM (Don wouldn't be surprised to find that
the computer figure is a bit "enthusiastic" when the engine is sitting on the
firewall :-). So, you'll need to pick a "full takeoff power" RPM and maximize
Veff somewhere about that peak.

But, using Ben's figure with a bit (less) as a "conservative" safety factor,
it seems that it should be possible to get appx the same hp as from a 220
Continental with appx the same weight. If both come out a bit better than
equal, then you'll see a noticable, if not substantial performance gain.

Next, how *high* do you intend to fly this thing? The least that you will
demand from your fuel/induction system is an adjustable main jet. I think
someone has (wisely) already mentioned that it's best to stay away from
computers, especially whose algorithms have been optimized for earthbound
travel. Can you adapt a "real" aircraft carb from a flat 6? In the end, you
will have less hassle with that option. While it won't be "one less" item to
worry about, it will be one item with "less worry" than might have been the
case otherwise. They are also optimized for the sort of mean gas velocity that
you will have at your (highly abnormal...for a large V8 at large throttle
openings) mgv. A (normal for the size engine) auto carb expects those sorts of
mgv only at small throttle openings, and might not recognize the urge to
carburate.

This ain't going to be easy; Steve Wittman spent about 5 years optimizing the
aluminum V8, but it finally made a fine aero engine. So can the Olds.

Now, I must ask an important, but troublesome question: Is it more important
for you to get into this in the easiest, safest manner, or for you to have an
Olds engine? This has been well proven on big block Ford engines, and if my
a*s were in the pilots seat, I'd go for proven reliability over brand-name
loalty every time. You can buy a kit (well, you could 10 yrs ago, maybe still)
for a big Ford that has everything including the reduction gear. Think about
it.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:23:48 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: assebly manuals

Suggestion would be to instead of buying reprints, you can often, given a
little bit of looking, find an original, often easier to read, and often
CHEAPER!
__________

Clayton, I think the problem here is not the service manuals, where I agree
with you about finding used ones, but the Assembly Manual.  This is a
collection of copies of the actual blueprints used in the design and
manufacture of the car.  Unfortunately, most blueprints are not the
greatest quality to start with, and the Assy Manuals currently available
are reprints of copies of these blueprints.  Unfortunately, this is
probably the best quality copy available today.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:07:20 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

ahh the spaghetti ram
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.


>Essentially, we need performance at low RPM.
>
>Low-performance?
>___________
>
>No, not low performance, but an engine optimized for low-RPM performance.
>It turns out that internal combustion engines can be pretty easily
>optimized for max output and efficiency within a narrow RPM range.  The
>problem comes when one wants to drive an engine on the street, which
>requires useable HP and torque over the range from 1500 RPM to 6000 RPM.
>This entails a series of compromises in cam profile, intake and exhaust
>tract tuning, etc (thus the variable geometry intake manifolds on many new
>cars).  Optimizing a 455 for low RPM output requires long, relatively
>narrow intake and exhaust plumbing.  This will build airflow velocity and
>if the length is correctly matched to the engine and RPM, can provide a ram
>induction effect to push volumetric efficiency over 100%.  Witness the old
>413 Chrysler motors with the long ram manifolds that actually placed the
>carbs outboard of the valve covers.
>
>"He's hot with ram induction but it's understood
>I've got a fuel-injected engine sittin' under my hood..."
>
>                    Shut Down
>                    The Beach Boys
>
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:43:06 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> Yes, most of the assembly manuals are *VERY* poor.  I'm assuming the one
> you got from Fusicks is the one printed by T/S.  There are other copies out
> there that are better.  I got a much better version from a friend of Mark
> Cornea's.  I have also seen other ones that the two that I own ('68) and
> they all seem to be missing different pages.
>


> Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
> Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible

	
	Dan,
		A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just 
a few
sets for the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the
complete set for "A" body.

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>


            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:56:56 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hotchkis Suspension

In a message dated 9/9/98, 12:01:14 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<Anyone using Hotchkis suspension components?  I just ordered springs,
a-arms, trailing arms, sway bars, and some misc. stuff.  I am hoping to see
dramatic improvement in handling.  They claim I will but I wanted some real
world input.  Thanks in advance.>>
i have the front control arms,rear stab. bar, all 4 springs. Car sits pretty
low in the front. I still need to upgrade my shocks to KYB. But it handles
good the big improvment was changing the steerbox to a monti ss that really
brought the car together. Next upgrade which is also going to be a HUGE
difference is togo from 15'' to 17'' tires.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:10:22 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)

> A moment of silence, please.  One of our brethren has fallen...
>
> What a shame...
>
> :(
>
> Paul
> --

Now Paul, were you referring to me, or the car?

Blaine

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:51:28 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wet Sump Vs. Dry Sump Oil Pans

In a message dated 98-09-10 01:03:27 EDT, you write:

<< Simply put, it all has to do with where the oil is kept for the pump to
lubricate the engine.  "Wet", it's in the pan, "dry", it's kept elsewhere.  >>

Drat!

Just when I think up a new concept, someone already invented it.

And yeah, I still think fully adjustable mechanical ignition will work.
Prototypes will be kinda bulky.
(no not intend to build one ..... yet!)

Wait a sec... it could be driven by....

(more later...)

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:52:39 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smoke from the carb

In a message dated 98-09-09 20:19:42 EDT, you write:

<<    you say smoke cant be caused by the carb?  are you sure?  the engine has
20,000 miles on the >>

Well, I kinda misspoke there.

Yes it is possible, but no should not happen at WOT.

I think Mr. Pruett mentioned to me that he could "smoke" people at will.
Possibly through the devious use of a manual choke at part to wide throttle.

If it is not big black clouds of oilly smoke, then it could be the carb.

It is the fourth carb or fourth carb rebuild.

Was this an original carb or off another car?
If from another car, what was engine displacement on that car and yours now?
Are you using particularly advanced timing (a shot in the dark)?

Karl gotta go look at orig post.

More later.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:52:41 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

In a message dated 98-09-09 20:33:34 EDT, you write:

<< Will anybody on the list be attending the Carlisle at the new Bloomington
 Center? I will be there next Saturday. Anybody els going? >>

Is that where Carlisle is?

Karl supposes he COULD go....

What are dates/times?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:52:42 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rocket Talk, Maybe.

OK

Karl gonna try to make RT at 8:00 pm central time.

'Been kinda unfair to the Supes' and the Magnet of late.

Saying I'd show and then staying up too late in the morning.

And looking at the clock now, Karl KNOWS it's gonna hurt later.

But for Karl, it is always morning.

When Karl gets up, it is kinda like morning.
When Karl leaves work he says good mornings to everybody.

So allus morning.

Problem is, date keeps changing.

What day is it anyway?

Answer: a good day to drive my Oldsmobile!

BTW: Please stop the non olds threads and posting Email that should be
private. Karl has been guilty of latter, but usually mistake of not checking
send window.
[Curse Bill Gates!]

"Chat" with some of you later.

I hope......

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:58:25 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

>
>In a message dated 98-09-09 20:33:34 EDT, you write:
>
><< Will anybody on the list be attending the Carlisle at the new Bloomington
> Center? I will be there next Saturday. Anybody els going? >>
>
>Is that where Carlisle is?
>
It's called Carlise Mid-West.  THE Carlise show is still in Carlisle,
Penn.

I am gonna try to be there Sat and try to be at the Olds show in St.
Louis on Sun.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com   may only be good for another week
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:58:15 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Roket Talk...mebbe..

Every once in a while Karl gets a prob with AOL.

Email fine but cannot log onto any internet sites.

Happening right now.

Missed an auction of a TH400 parts order booklet from Ebay.

Damn!

Hope clears by tonite.

K

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:10:43 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: names

> Monte Carlo - Elegant RICH peoples City????  How did that become
> a car?

Um, because they like the association of the car with a RICH peoples
city, perhaps?  :-)

> Does this mean the less elegant would be like a Chevy Pittsburgh?

The less elegant used to be the Chevy Bel Air. No, no, not the '57;
back then that was the top of the line, above the 150 and 210 models.
But by the late '60's into the '70's, the Bel Air was relegated to
bottom of the heap, behind the top-line Caprice and mid-level Impala.
It was so basic, it didn't even get two taillights on each side; it
had a unique rear lamp assembly with _one_ taillight on either side
and a blank space where the inboard one was supposed to go. Kind of
ironic, since Bel Air is a really fancy place to live. (Yes, we will
get to Olds relevance in a minute...)

> Citation - NOW THIS IS SOMETHING that SCREAMS "Drive ME"  PLEASE!

Well, the X-11 model was highly reviewed in its time...

My favorite is their new electric model, the Impact. Duh.  :-)

> Olds Content:  I've always wondered, what the heck is Brougham
> s'posed to mean?

A Brougham was an enclosed car (or carriage, before cars came along)
with an open driver's seat in front. After cars became fully enclosed,
the term was used a bit looser, often to describe a car with a vinyl
half-roof, usually but not always the back half, although putting the
vinyl top over the forward half of the roof would be more in keeping
with the term.

This is not the same as the cars with fake convertible tops, and don't
even get me started on those fake convertible tops with _sunroofs_ in
the middle!

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:18:13 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: names

Sorry, but the bottom of the barrel bowtie was the Biscayne, then Bel Air,
Impala, and later on Caprice was the top of the line.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:18:25 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 9/10/98
 12:<BR13:<BR21 PM Central Daylight Ti, acg_o@hotmail.com writes:

> My favorite is their new electric model, the Impact. Duh.  :-)

Terrible name, aside from the image of a collision.

Maybe it is because I grew up with a nurse in the house, but the word "impact"
always makes me think of severe constipation :-) If it gets bad enough, the
doctor has to dig it out with.... well, maybe that's enough about a baaaad
choice of names.

Cheers/carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:26:18 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: names

>
>Sorry, but the bottom of the barrel bowtie was the Biscayne, then Bel Air,

Actually I thought it was Camaro .....  :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com    may only be good for another week
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:28:28 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 98-09-10 02:07:29 EDT, you write:

<< nteresting thought...  in the late 80's - early 90's, Maserati produced a
 version of the  little Chrystler convertible (cant think of the name of it
 right now) but the Maserati version was called the TC.  Nice little cars,
 with pretty good suspension work from what owners have told me... >>

Great looking car but had the same problem as the Cadillac Allente. Bad wiring
and too much plastic. Anyone who had on, had two cause one was always in the
shop. Also had the misfortune to compete with the Mercedes SL. No contest.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:36:07 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 9/10/98
 12:<BR29:<BR38 PM Central Daylight Ti, JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:

>  version of the  little Chrystler convertible (cant think of the name of it
>   right now) but the Maserati version was called the TC.  Nice little cars,
>   with pretty good suspension work from what owners have told me... >>
>
>  Great looking car but had the same problem as the Cadillac Allente. Bad
> wiring
>  and too much plastic.

A cousin has the maserati version of the Chrysler LeBaron (I think it is). He
bumped his headlight cover into a hard object. $600!!! Just for the plastic
piece.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:39:43 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: names

Yeah, I think it was just a LeBaron convert. with a bunch of fancy stickers
and electronics.  I think the engine was just the basic Chrysler V6, which
did NOT follow in the Allante's footsteps.  :-)  Cadillac debuted their
Northstar V8 in the Allante (during its last year, though, when the line's
termination was already decided).  With the new V8, that car scooted pretty
good!

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: names


>In a message dated 98-09-10 02:07:29 EDT, you write:
>
><< nteresting thought...  in the late 80's - early 90's, Maserati produced
a
> version of the  little Chrystler convertible (cant think of the name of it
> right now) but the Maserati version was called the TC.  Nice little cars,
> with pretty good suspension work from what owners have told me... >>
>
>Great looking car but had the same problem as the Cadillac Allente. Bad
wiring
>and too much plastic. Anyone who had on, had two cause one was always in
the
>shop. Also had the misfortune to compete with the Mercedes SL. No contest.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:44:59 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

Jeff;
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.
Really wanted to attend. Have prior commitments. Have a good time.
Lou Biggs, Belleville, IL.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:55:45 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: 403 motor

Hi All,
   I am in the process of restoring a 70 Cutlass Supreme. I am looking a
several options in the motor compartment. The original 350 is gone so
this is not a numbers matching affair.
I can buy a good running 72 350 for about $125.00 car and all, this
would be an easy way to get it back on the road again. I have also
looked at a 1978 buick park ave: that has a very good running 403 Olds
motor in it. I am not real familiar with the 403's and I am looking for
some feedback as to there potential on the street.
My heart is in to putting a good 455 together for the monster torque and
true brut strength, but I have not found one here locally yet, and the
403 was a very good running motor. As for the price of the 403, the
gentlman wants $300/obo for whole car, and this does include two almost
new front tires and a brand new one week old battery that I could use.
Thanks for any replies.

Tom Williams
1970 Cutlass Supreme triple black project car.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:10:04 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

What is Carlisle anyway?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
19 Wins 13 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	KarlAune@aol.com [SMTP:KarlAune@aol.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:53 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

	In a message dated 98-09-09 20:33:34 EDT, you write:

	<< Will anybody on the list be attending the Carlisle at the new
Bloomington
	 Center? I will be there next Saturday. Anybody els going? >>

	Is that where Carlisle is?

	Karl supposes he COULD go....

	What are dates/times?

	SOM
	&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:15:10 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

>
>What is Carlisle anyway?

A HUGE car show/swap meet/car for sale corral/manufactures midway/etc
etc

It runs all weekend, $6 I believe for gen admin


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com   may only be good another week
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:22:00 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: assembly manual

A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just a few
sets for the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the
complete set for "A" body.

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
_______________

So Mark, are you doing this just to torment us, or do you think there's a
way to get your friend to run additional sets?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:38:14 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: '72 Delta 88 convertible for sale

The ususal disclaimers, etc.

I received a phone call recently about this car.

'72 Delta 88 convertible
Was Olds dealer's car. Was a Florida resident. No rust.

72K miles, 455, 4bbl. New bronze metallic paint, was stripped, not just slapped
on. New whie GM top, glass window with defroster.

Power steering, brakes, windows and seats. 4 new Tiger Paw tires, 1" white
walls. New hoses, belts. 8 track, AM radio. 4 SS IVs, new trunk carpet.

Located in SW Pennsylvania. Best offer and/or interesting trades.

814-255-1181, leave message for Ralph.

- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:32:51 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: assembly manual

>
>A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just a few
>sets for the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the
>complete set for "A" body.
>
>       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
>_______________
>
>So Mark, are you doing this just to torment us, or do you think there's a
>way to get your friend to run additional sets?
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>

Yeah  :)  I actually passed the first time when I saw the copies at
Mark's booth at Nationals, thinking I'd come back later and pick it up.
WRONG!  Came back later and Kurt Karch already beat me to it.  Luckily
he only lives about an hour from me and I will be seeing him first
weekend in Oct at the MCC Autofest in Evansville, IN.


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com  maybe only good another week
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:37:16 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: H&lp on Collectibility Status of '87 442

I am still getting the runaround by the Ohio DMV on my collector's plates
(NOT historical plates).  The State of Ohio DMV uses a book to determine
collectibility of a vehicle.  If the vehicle is not listed in the book -
other documentation must be sent, such as a manufacturer's letter of
limited production, pictures , etc.  I sent a copy of a letter from the
Olds History Center stating 4200 made, pictures, etc., etc., etc.  The
pictures came back with an approved application.  So I sent my check with
my renewal.  A month later I get a letter stating my car is not
collectible.  I talk to them on the phone and they said I need to send
pictures, etc.  I said I already did this.  Then they stated I needed to
show that I spent mega $$$$ on restoration of my vehicle.  I told them I
didn't restore it since I bought it new and kept it all original (the
penalty for doing this, I guess).  I will resend everything I had along
with a full roll of pictures of all aspects of the car (which they said
MIGHT help).

What I need is anything in writing from a semi-official source stating the
collectibility of the '87 442.  The Olds History Center is closed until
1-1-99 and I only have 45 days to respond to the DMV.  I know of a few
other earlier Hurst Olds ('84/'84) whic finally got approval after 4 tries
and contact by lawer.  Why is this so hard????

Anybody that has documentation like this, can you e-mail me personally.  I
hope this can pave the road with the State of Ohio BMV for all '85-'87 442s
for Collectors Plates.

The State is really getting tough since the Collectors Plates do not
require the E-Check to be performed.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:11:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): BOPC show for the year 2000

Attention all OCA members, and Olds club members,

Locally here in St. Louis, our Olds chapter is currently talking to members
of the local Buick, Pontiac, and Cadillac chapters, and would like to get
other Olds Chapters involved if possible.  We are in the early planning
stages of a Midwest BOPC (Buick, OLDS, Pontiac, Cadillac) show that will
most likely take place in the year 2000.  It is going to be a National show
event that is welcoming participation from all over the country, and will
probably be the largest auto show ever to hit the Midwest.  We are scouting
out locations here in St. Louis that could accommodate this large of a show
(ie.  a place that is large enough to handle the amount of cars, and is
conveniently located near several hotels).  Let me know if you have any info
about who might be interested in helping to organize such a show from your
area.  I am primarily looking for people from any local Olds chapters from
the surrounding states in the Midwest.  Once the date and location is set,
then we would just need support from other chapters to help get the word out
and make the Oldsmobile portion of the show a very strong representation.

I am currently working on something to submit to OCA, and put into JWO.
 Once we have the official commitment from the B,  P, & C chapters, I will
make it so.

Happy Oldsmobiling!

Jeff

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
 Jeff Zeilmann
(OCA# 029185)
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:28:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Interesting Classified Ad

Thought you all might get a kick out of this. The following ad appeared in
our local Newspaper today. Sounds interesting so I am gonna try and check
it out tonight. I will try to get some photos too.

96 Special Construction 3-Wheeler. Powered by 455 Olds, Auto, air craft
alum. body, 2 seats in-line, 5 pt. harness belts, 185 est. top speed.
$4,500.


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
J. Bryce Smith
Email: <a href=mailto:bryceman@442.com>bryceman@442.com</a>
Web: http://442.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:23:50 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Toro cam specs wanted

Sorry if you've rea his before, but I was having trouble with my server
and didn't see if it got posted.

  Does anyone know the specs on a 1966 Toro 425 cam?  I know it has .472
lift and the lobe separation angle is around 55 degrees, but I have no
idea what the lift at 0.05" is or the overlap.  Any help would be
appreciated.  Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:04:00 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: 403 motor

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  403 motor

   I have a 403 in my 87 Cutlass and it runs low 13's.  I believe if I
   were an engine super-tuner, I could *maybe* reach into the 12's.
   This is of course with a non-stock 403.  It has excellent pull all
   through its RPM range, and the cooloest thing is when I peg the thr
   ottle at 20 MPH and the downshift to first breaks the tires free.
   That I love.  If you have specific questions, let me know.  I root
   for the 403, if you decide on a small block.

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass










































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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:33:15 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: Smoke from the carb

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  Smoke from the carb

   If you don't have your vacuum advance hooked up, you'll spew out bl
   ack smoke (unburnt fuel) at WOT.  Check to make sure that's working
    alright.

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass














































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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:47:13 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings

> Sparking without the proper plug gap runs the system with no load and puts
undue stress on the ignition's output transistor.

Ahhhhhh, so that's why my MSD box is scrambled!!  Positive side of the coil
arced (shorted to ground) to a vacuum thingofabob on the intake.

Boy, you guys are good....answered a question before I could ask it.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:52:56 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 98-09-10 13:12:49 EDT, you write:

<< A Brougham was an enclosed car (or carriage, before cars came along)
 with an open driver's seat in front. After cars became fully enclosed,
 the term was used a bit looser, often to describe a car with a vinyl
 half-roof, usually but not always the back half, although putting the
 vinyl top over the forward half of the roof would be more in keeping
 with the term.

 This is not the same as the cars with fake convertible tops, and don't
 even get me started on those fake convertible tops with _sunroofs_ in
 the middle! >>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:57:18 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 98-09-10 13:12:49 EDT, you write:

<< A Brougham was an enclosed car (or carriage, before cars came along)
 with an open driver's seat in front. After cars became fully enclosed,
 the term was used a bit looser, often to describe a car with a vinyl
 half-roof, usually but not always the back half, although putting the
 vinyl top over the forward half of the roof would be more in keeping
 with the term.

 This is not the same as the cars with fake convertible tops, and don't
 even get me started on those fake convertible tops with _sunroofs_ in
 the middle! >>

Sorry first one got away without this comment... According to my 72 Websters
the above is correct for 1: ... 2: though states " a 2-door sedan". Which
makes me wonder who put the extras doors on my 87 Ciera Brougham?

Dick Compton

1972 442 Convertible
1972 Websters 7th New Collegiate Dictionary

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:17:31 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: names

>Sorry first one got away without this comment... According to my 72 Websters
>the above is correct for 1: ... 2: though states " a 2-door sedan". Which
>makes me wonder who put the extras doors on my 87 Ciera Brougham?

I thought a "sedan" by definition had 4 doors (2 doors means a "coupe") - Tom.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:33:05 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 403 motor

In a message dated 9/10/98 3:39:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com writes:

<<   I have a 403 in my 87 Cutlass and it runs low 13's. >>
You have some specs on this motor? I have a 403 also that might find its way
into my 86 Salon.

Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:38:57
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: 403 motor =?ISO-8859-1?Q?(Ray=B4s?= -87)

>
>   I have a 403 in my 87 Cutlass and it runs low
>13's.  I believe if I
>   were an engine super-tuner, I could *maybe* reach
>into the 12's.
>   This is of course with a non-stock 403.  It has
>excellent pull all
>   through its RPM range, and the cooloest thing is
>when I peg the thr
>   ottle at 20 MPH and the downshift to first breaks
>the tires free.
>   That I love.  If you have specific questions, let me
>know.  I root
>   for the 403, if you decide on a small block.
>
>   Ray Costanzo
>   87 409 Cutlass
>
sounds very cool, Ray
can you tell me some more about this car?

Chris RL
Cutlass Calais -81
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:41:01 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: names

By true definition, a sedan has seating for four (or specifically, more than
two) and a coupe has seating for two, regardless of the number of doors.

Jason Adcock
E-mail: rocketolds@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Q. Bartee <tbartee@mitre.org>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: names


>I thought a "sedan" by definition had 4 doors (2 doors means a "coupe") -
Tom.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:41:04 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 98-09-10 15:57:59 EDT, you write:

<<  This is not the same as the cars with fake convertible tops, and don't
  even get me started on those fake convertible tops with _sunroofs_ in
  the middle! >>
  >>

Sorry but I have to comment. Aren't those a hoot?  I know to each his own but
a convertible with a sunroof?  I think I'd rather be a gerbel in Fire Island
than drive one of those!

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:47:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '83/'84 H/O Rims

Not on the list; respond to Miguel.Morales@mci.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Miguel Morales <Miguel.Morales@mci.com>
Subject: '83-4 H/O SS-III Rims

I've got 3 rims I'd like to sell for an '84 Hurst/Olds. One is newer
than the rest and still has the clear coat. The other two have been
stripped of clear coat and one is straight and the other is straight
enough to use as a spare unless it is repaired. It is currently 3+ on
the balance machine for weights. Reply privately to
Miguel.Morales@mci.com if you want these. I am asking $125, $75, and
$50. If you want all three make me an offer so I can get them out of
much needed storage.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:49:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE:  More on counting turns

Still trouble with this address, forwarding the first of several.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  More on counting turns

One thing to note for those of you with the PegLeg rear...

When you are out in the snow, having a ball spinning that one tire, it
is actually traveling DOUBLE the speedometer indicated speed.  This can
cause rather dangerous tire failure.  Posi will spin at speedo speed,
but due to the nature of open diff, when one is not moving and one is,
the one that is spinning is spinning 2X.  (Assuming you have no vehicle
speed, then you would have to sub out that, and .....)

So when I was a punk kid and punched my 76 Delta on ice with 2.73's and
got the speedo wrapped ALL the way around, it was not just doing 120+,
it was actually 240!  Glad I did not keep it up!

Just something to ponder....


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:49:53 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: names

Gotcha, guess common usage and true definition are different.  Otherwise my
Cutlass Salon would be a sedan since it seats 4, and in comfort and style,
I might add.

At 04:41 PM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>By true definition, a sedan has seating for four (or specifically, more than
>two) and a coupe has seating for two, regardless of the number of doors.
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:51:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and
got to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and
some cartridge rolls, well...

Do I need help?

(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
riding mower, anyone got any ideas?


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:54 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: names

That's right.  Oldsmobile calls my car a Cutlass Calais Coupe, but it easily
seats 5.  That 307 does get a little loaded down, though...  :-)

Jason Adcock
E-mail: rocketolds@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Q. Bartee <tbartee@mitre.org>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: names


>Gotcha, guess common usage and true definition are different.  Otherwise my
>Cutlass Salon would be a sedan since it seats 4, and in comfort and style,
>I might add.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:49:02 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

use a dry sump and mount it on its back make a crank adapter for the blade
you may need fuel injection and    wait a minute what am I saying we both
may need help now......
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1:53 PM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?


>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
>Subject: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
>
>I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and
>got to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and
>some cartridge rolls, well...
>
>Do I need help?
>
>(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
>riding mower, anyone got any ideas?
>
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>91 Bonneville LE 3800
>80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:05:44 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: crank question

I know some guys building various makes of engines occasionally "offset
grind" their crankshafts for additional stroke length. PAW sells engine kits
with this done. My question is: (you know where I'm headed) Can you do this
with and Olds 455 crank? If not, why? If so, what are the precautions?
I have come to the mountain for answers to these questions that have plagued
mankind for centuries (well, they've plagued me for days anyway)

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:04:48 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
riding mower, anyone got any ideas?


Thomas Martin
__________

Of course.  Since the hardest part is hooking the motor to the driveline,
quit screwing around with those poor excuses for internal combustion and
simply use a complete 455/Toro transaxle.  Just the ticket for lawn tractor
racing....  ;-)

Joe (>400 cu in) Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:09:51 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: names

> By true definition, a sedan has seating for four (or specifically,
> more than two) and a coupe has seating for two, regardless of the
> number of doors.

Yes, there is some overlap in the terminology. My dictionary
(American Heritage) lists a coupe as a two-door automobile,
and a sedan as a two _or_ four door automobile having front
and rear seats (and presumably seating for four).

And as for "Biscayne", that's right, that was the real bottom
of the line, which I forgot until after I sent the last post.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:12:41 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: crank question

I know some guys building various makes of engines occasionally "offset
grind" their crankshafts for additional stroke length. PAW sells engine
kits
with this done. My question is: (you know where I'm headed) Can you do this
with and Olds 455 crank? If not, why? If so, what are the precautions?
I have come to the mountain for answers to these questions that have
plagued
mankind for centuries (well, they've plagued me for days anyway)
_________

And the mountain said...

Of course.  Mondello sells these in kits.  They just require your
first-born as a down payment.

Since the offset grinding by definition requires you to reduce the diameter
of the rod journals, strength is always an issue.  Joe M uses Buick and BBC
rods in these applications, as both use smaller journal diameters
(something like 2.2" in the case of the Chevy, vs 2.5" for the normal BBO
crank).  Obviously you also need a shorter rod and different pistons with a
relocated pin and likely skirt mods to clear the counterweights.  As with
any stroker motor, you need to check clearances inside the block, primarily
rod-to-cam, rod-to-oil pan rail, and rod-to-bottom of the cylinder.
Obviously balancing the reciprocating assembly is a challenge and may
require Mallory metal (tungsten, or is that tung$ten), which has a greater
density than cast iron.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:01:43 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: crank question

yes you can offset grind it to 4.5 inch stroke if you have heard of the
mondello 493 this was done there however the stock olds rods are to beefy to
fit with out hitting things so buick 455 rods are used the block has to be
clearanced so have fun with the die grinder...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 2:09 PM
Subject: crank question


>I know some guys building various makes of engines occasionally "offset
>grind" their crankshafts for additional stroke length. PAW sells engine
kits
>with this done. My question is: (you know where I'm headed) Can you do this
>with and Olds 455 crank? If not, why? If so, what are the precautions?
>I have come to the mountain for answers to these questions that have
plagued
>mankind for centuries (well, they've plagued me for days anyway)
>
>
>

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