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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, August 18 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1434



Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)
Charging/Electrical system problem
thoughts on "The Parts Place"
W-27
Re: I need 442 200-4r specs
'66 rear axle spring perches
Mildly amusing 260 anecdote
Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)
Re: 1964  Cutlass Bumpers
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: W-27
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Mildly amusing 260 anecdote
Re: List Index
Re: Registry/ reply
Filed Sparkplugs
Re: Filed Sparkplugs
Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)
Re: What's the word on Norwalk?
Re: thoughts on "The Parts Place"
Re: edelbrock rebuilt carb
Re: W-27
Re: Charging/Electrical system problem
Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)
87 442 for sale
RE: List Index
Re: to everyone
Re: List Index
Octane Question
Bad message
Re: Don't blame me..., with a little Olds content
Re: Bad message
Re: Bad message
Re: Octane Question
RE: I need 442 200-4r specs
ADMIN: Don't Blame Me, etc.
442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)
I'm back and have DMR report
Re: ADMIN: Don't Blame Me, etc.
442 Wheel Opinion
Re: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)
Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights
re: engine build questions!!! LONG - Now 750cfm carb on 350
clock woes
RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s
Valve Adjustment Question
RE: clock woes
RE: hopping up my '68 350
To: Fledgeling Vendors was:Toro- Graveyard and:O-lot-o-Olds Parts

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:52:21 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

Arthur Hoffman wrote:

> How bout if YOUR President kept his thing in his pants, and then saved
> the taxpayers millions by telling the truth about it the first time...

> > John Gill wrote:  nothing...
> >
> > ...which is probably best, since it was decided long ago to keep politics
off > > this list.

<heh heh heh>  Jeez, crack a simple joke....  Flame me all you want, but at
least do it privately, before Greg starts laying the Canadian politics on the
line, and enforcing the list politics.

Thought to ponder:  Nobody's perfect.  Not me, not you, not the president, not
~anybody~...  Period.  How many people have cheated on their spouses in 
America,
in the past year?  Lots.  Probably millions.  Not that I advocate it, by any
means, but I don't hold it against him.  His private life should be just that,
private, as he finally said in public.  I usually don't care, but come on.  A
nation of imperfect citizens chose one of their peers to run the country.
That's the nature of democracy.  Nobody's perfect, and it's wrong to hold 
anyone
to standards of absolute perfection...  not even the president.  To hold the
president to higher standards than the rest of the nation is a bit 
hypocritical,
I'd think.  It's long been argued that there's no such thing as a clean
politician, a group being called dirtier than lawyers.  I won't go so far as to
defend ~that~ statement, but when one of 'em makes any kind of mistake, it's
considerred a national sin.  Where's the suprise?  If we ~ever~ had a president
that was ~not~ flawed, it'd be a world event in itself.  It ~ain't~ ever gonna
happen...  And when did extra-marital affairs become anyone else's business to
start with?    Seems to be a very popular occurance across the country, but it
sure doesn't affect ~my~ life.  If someone wants to mess up their own
relationship, that's their choice.  And their own business.  Doesn't mean he
can't do his job, no matter what that job may be.

Jeez, now ya got me rambling.  I'll ~waste~ no more bandwidth on the subject,
there's much more pertinent information to be sent along these wires.

DO NOT REPLY to this.  IF you feel you NEED to comment, my email link is right
at the bottom.  This political scandal has to be the dumbest waste of time I've
seen in politics, period.  Although the talkshow folks  sure have been enjoying
it :)  Which is fine by me!  'Nuff said... (Way too much said already!)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:34:24 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

its not politics anymore it is a soap opera...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Gill <jgill@idmi.com>
To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 7:22 PM
Subject: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:51:25 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)

Dave Cullen wrote:
>
> >If you replace anything in the reciprocating assembly (say, the pistons),
> >you should plan on rebalancing the motor.  Yes, we've all built motors
> >without balancing, but you'll be a lot happier if you do.
> >
>
> Can someone tell me just what is involved in total engine balancing?
>
> And on a similar subject, how many different harmonic balancers are there
> for Olds motors, and what makes one different from another? Always wondered
> about this. X-spurts?
>
> drc


Just a quick rundown, essentially the process is as follows: The piston
and rod assemblies are all weighed, then they are cut down to equal the
weight of the lightest assembly. Then, small weights, called bob weights
are selected that exectly match the weight of the piston/rod assemblies
and bolted to the crnak (the weight includes the bolts) The crank is
then spun on a machine that can determine where the crank is out of
balance (uneven rotation) Then weight can be added or removed to/from
the crank (by either welding in metal, or drilling out a counterweight)
to put the crank in balance.

If I am not telling tall tales, I believe all Olds balancers are the
same with the exception of the W-31 balancer which is noticeably
thicker.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:03:54 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Charging/Electrical system problem

Today I went out and checked a car my mom was contemplating buying (1990 Buick
LeSabre Custom).  I liked it a lot, so I took it out for a spin.  Ride was
great, nice interior, NO RUST (I live in MN, this is rare in an 8 year old
car), engine compartment extremely clean, accelerated well, etc...  Well
anyway, first corner I took swiftly, and saw an idiot light blink.  I
immediately tried another sharp turn to see what it was.  Saw it long enough
to see the battery sign.  Hmmm.  So I took it on the freeway, and it was on a
lot, when I turned, accelerated, braked, whatever.  Took it back to the dealer
and told them to call me when they figure out the problem.  My mom was just
about ready to write the check for it until that final test drive.  Any ideas
what it is?  It is a really pretty car and would love to have it in the
family, but we don't want an electrical problem.  My first guess was it was a
loose connection, because it only lighted up when the car was jolted.  Then I
got to thinking, the car was from an area in MN that gets hit hard in floods.
There haven't been any floods recently, not since the big one in 93.  Does
anyone think that might have anything to do with it?  Or it could just be the
battery or the alternator.

Joe
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7

ALSO!!!!!!!!  I know there are listmembers out there with websites that
haven't submitted their URL to me yet!  I need them for the registry!

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:13:21 -0400
From: Joe_Gut <Joe_Gut@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: thoughts on "The Parts Place"

I was just reviewing "The Parts Place" (located in Chicago) catalog,
noting that while their prices weren't the lowest I've seen, they do
have a nice selection.

Anyone have any experiences, good or bad, with The Parts Place that they
wouldn't mind sharing with me?

Thanks,
Joe Gutierrez  OCA #30387, H/O #714
71 442 conv
72 H/O ht

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:20:15 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: W-27

Is there anybody who knows where I can find a W-27 alum. rear end?



Bill Dickinson
dickinson@skow.net

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:59:47 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: I need 442 200-4r specs

DUKEOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> I would like to know how the trans in the 442 was different from a regular 
one

The valvebody for starters.  There were a lot of differences there that
stiffened up the shifts.  The 442, Regal GN and Monte SS had similar
high-performance valvebodys, I think buick trannies got the best.  Also,
the 1-2 servo apply pin is a different legnth, longer I think.   The
governor shifts at a different RPM too, 5000 RPM instead of the standard
3000.

The vavlebody and governor are the big differences, there are many other
little ones too.  I don't remember all the little details that make it
different, you can find a lot of information on the olds FAQ (link to it
from www.442.com) and on the Turbo buick homepage:
http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/

> and what the stall on the converter was, also the gearing ratios.

I think the stall is about 2200RPM, not sure.

Gear ratios:
1st  2.74
2nd  1.57
3rd  1.00
4th  0.67

> Does anyone know if the speed governor on that trans is mechanical or
> computerized? Hoe do I get my car to go faster than the 105mph point ?

Do you mean the governor for the trans? It's mechanical, but only
controls shift points, not how fast the car can go.  Any speed governing
would be done by the ECM.
I can't say why your car won't go over 105 but the tranny is not the
limiting factor.  In fact I've never heard of any G-body having a speed
limiter, did they have them?

BTW and FYI, a pre-1989 2004R the lockup torque converter is the only
thing the computer has to do with the tranny.

Hope I was of some help.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:50:00 EDT
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: '66 rear axle spring perches

Am installing a new 3.55 posi into my '66 442. Noticed that the axle I got
does not have any sort of 'cup' to hold the spring in place on the axle, just
a flat ledge with a 1/2" hole in the center. Looks like there's supposed to be
some kind of bolt-on spring holder gizmo go there. Very different from the
axle that came out of the car.

Anybody run across this problem before and have an idea of what I need to do
here? Any of the suppliers sell those spring 'cup' retainers?

Peter
CoupeKing

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:17:00 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Mildly amusing 260 anecdote

This afternoon I hooked a battery up to the Calais' former engine in an
attemt to see if it would run.  It's a 260 V8, presently out of the
car.  I was doing that little trick where you just pour raw gas down the
carb.  It took many attemts, had to tinker with the timing since the
distributor had been remvoved.  I ended up spilling gas and some ran
down the carb onto the manifold.  During one of my attemts, the engine
sneezed a good size fireball through the carb.  Natrually the carb and
surrounding manifold went up in flames too.  I tried beating the flames
with a rag to no avail so I grabbed a fire extinguisher I had handy but
then had second thoughts(honest!):

Do I really want to sacrafice a $20 fire extinguisher for a ~260~?  I
was only keeping it handy in case a backfire started a brush fire or
something.

What the hell, let's see if it burns out. :)

Stood watching for about 45 seconds as the flames started taking out the
vacuum lines and heading for the A.I.R. tubes.  Decided then that I
better put an end to it....Might need that stuff to pass emissions and
It's easy worth $20.  One little PHOOT from the fire extinguisher and it
was all over.  Damn, next time I do this I'm gonna keep a $.99 box of
arm&hammer handy to throw on it instead.  :)

The 260 is going in my `67 temporarily so it can still move under it's
own power while I'm fixing it up.  I'm removing the 350 presently in it
and tear it down to assess whether It's rebuildable.  (block may be
cracked)  If it's rebuildable It's going in my Calais, and the `67 will
be getting a much more serious engine when I get around to it's
restorrection.  The diesel block 350 gas engine for the calais had to be
put on hold, technical difficulties.

I do believe I will hold the record for *the* slowest oldsmobile with a
reasonably well running engine; 67 Cutlass Supreme, 260 2bbl, Jetaway
and single 2" exhaust.  OTOH it's a good match for the completely
inadequate brakes.  :)

Wonder what 0-60 would be with that....Wonder if it'd ~do~ 60 with that.
:)

Oh well, rambled enough.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:04:46 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)

The piston and rod assemblies are all weighed, then they are cut down to
equal the
weight of the lightest assembly...
_______________

So far, so good, but you left out one step.  The rods are balanced for both
reciprocating weight (small end) and rotating weight (big end).  This
requires a special fixture which holds the rod horizontally, with one end
of the rod on a very low friction pivot while the other end is weighed on a
scale.  Match all the small end weights and all the big end weights, then
add the total weight of each piston/rings/pin/rod/bearing/bolt assembly,
add an amount for the weight of the oil which remains on the assembly, then
install the bob weights on the crank throws.  Obviously if you need to do
any work on the rods, such as polishing, resizing, bushing for floating
pins, or machining the famous "side grooves" on the big end, that must be
done prior to balancing.

================

...The crank is then spun on a machine that can determine where the crank
is out of
balance (uneven rotation) Then weight can be added or removed to/from the
crank (by either welding in metal, or drilling out a counterweight) to put
the crank in balance.
________________

Yep, works kinda like a dynamic tire balancer.  I believe the crank is held
in the balancer with bearings at either end.  One end is restrained while
the out of balance is measured on the other end.  Counterbalance weights
are drilled or filled as dictated by the balancer, then the restraints are
reversed and the other end balanced.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:55:54 EDT
From: <BrKLynS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1964  Cutlass Bumpers

LISTEN GUYS-IM REALLY DESPERATE FOR A 64 CUTLASS REAR BUMPER-I JUST BOUGHT MY
64 OLDS 2 MONTHS AGO AND IT CAME WITH A 65 REAR BUMPER.MY FATHER HAD A 64
CUTLASS AND I WANT IT TO BE EXACT.  ILL BUY BOTH FRONT AND BACK IF I HAVE
TOO... I JUST NEED THE INFO


            THANKS
                 JOEY

64 CUTLASS

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:24:10 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

Impeach the bum!!! If he denied this scandal, think about the other things
he denies(whitewater, Chinese influence,etc) He's a commy!!!To the chamber
with him!!!
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
> Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 10:34 PM
>
> its not politics anymore it is a soap opera...kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Gill <jgill@idmi.com>
> To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 7:22 PM
> Subject: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:38:57 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

He doesn't inhale......................
And she doesn't swallow..........!!

A match made in heaven...!!!




> Impeach the bum!!! If he denied this scandal, think about the other things
> he denies(whitewater, Chinese influence,etc) He's a commy!!!To the chamber
> with him!!!
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:26:58 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-27

I'm assuming you mean just the cover, Brothers has them and I believe Year
One also.

Brothers price is $74.50 for either the 10 or 12 bolt cover and the ph # is
800-442-7278. I don't have Year One's catalog handy at the moment.

Or if you want an original I'll sell you the one off of the 72 H/O parts car
I'll be getting in a couple of weeks.

Randy


>Is there anybody who knows where I can find a W-27 alum. rear end?

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:22:40 -0400
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

I think Hillary should do a "Bobbit" on him... Scumbag that he is...

Jeramy

Moving on:  What does everyone think of the new Olds Alero??

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:03:17 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Mildly amusing 260 anecdote

Greg Pruett wrote:
>
> I do believe I will hold the record for *the* slowest oldsmobile with a
> reasonably well running engine; 67 Cutlass Supreme, 260 2bbl, Jetaway
> and single 2" exhaust.  OTOH it's a good match for the completely
> inadequate brakes.  :)
>
> Wonder what 0-60 would be with that....Wonder if it'd ~do~ 60 with that.
> :)
>
> Oh well, rambled enough.

Hey Greg, I'll race ya!!!  BTW: I saw a Vista Cruiser that was prolly
the same year as yours was yesterday.  THough I think yours is in better
shape, and his has woodtrim panels on the side and back...

In other news, I also saw a second Toro last friday...  and my friend
saw a Toro that she says was "just like mine" pulling into my
neighborhood.  Hmmmm...  makes me wonder.  Now I search for the elusive
Toronado...

Hows stuff?  Ready for school?  Later...

Jeff

><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- -----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:13:19 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: List Index

>Listmembers, I am going to make a page that lists all of the listmembers'
websites.  If you
>are reading this and have a website, please email me the url.>


HI, my web site is at:    http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

Thanks.

=====================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:00:53 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Registry/ reply

and w-29's???  (maybe?)


W-MACHINES wrote:
>
> How about W-34s, W-33s, w-45s?
>
> Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
> Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
> '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
> '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
> '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo
>
> ----------
> > From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Registry/ reply
> > Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 9:46 AM
> >
> > Them too.
> > Jim McKeague
> > 70 Cutlass W31
> > 70 Rallye 350
> >
> > So how about the few of us W-32's?? >>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:06:59 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Filed Sparkplugs

Is there a way to clean carbon from spark plugs?  I filed out my spark plugs
recently and I want to find out why before I buy more spark plugs.  They
were fine at first then one day I checked them and they were filed. What
could have caused this?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 11 Losses
======================

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:25:31 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Filed Sparkplugs

>Is there a way to clean carbon from spark plugs?

A toothbrush and carb cleaner usually work on mild carbon deposits.

> I filed out my spark plugs
>recently and I want to find out why before I buy more spark plugs.  They
>were fine at first then one day I checked them and they were filed. What
>could have caused this?
>======================


Carbon buildup is usually from a rich burning motor.

drc

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:28:48 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)

Thanks for the details. I assume this is a machine shop specialty thing -
any idea what kind of cost?

drc


>Yep, works kinda like a dynamic tire balancer.  I believe the crank is held
>in the balancer with bearings at either end.  One end is restrained while
>the out of balance is measured on the other end.  Counterbalance weights
>are drilled or filled as dictated by the balancer, then the restraints are
>reversed and the other end balanced.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:10:03 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: What's the word on Norwalk?

John Gill wrote:
>
> I went over to the DMR event and I was pleased.  I felt that there were
> more cars this year than last year (the Mondello event) and the quality was
> strong.  One motor blew Sunday morning and one drive shaft went south but
> as usual, a bunch of nice folks show'in and go'in.  The weather was A-1 all
> day but Dick Miller had trouble with the front end of his car.  The
> fiberglass was giving him fits but he still made casual 9 second passes.

Yeah, it's sweet that his car was ALL Olds powered. Buncha' friends
asked me how fun it was watching "two" cars race down the track all day.
I laughed and said it was pretty cool with lots of cars. I told them
about DM's 9 second car, with replies "Wow, I didn't know they could
make an Olds that fast!" Blah Blah Blah, rotten Chubby/Fraud lovin
bungholes!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: thoughts on "The Parts Place"

Wondering the same thing here...


At 11:13 PM 8/17/98 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Anyone have any experiences, good or bad, with The Parts Place that they
>wouldn't mind sharing with me?
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:17:18 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: edelbrock rebuilt carb

Why go rebuilt when you can get a brand new one for $200?  I'm running
a Edelbrock #1406 600cfm with electric choke.  runs great and it's
super easy to change jets and rods.  To change rods, you only need to
take off the aircleaner and loosen two screws!

greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 1:34 PM
Subject: edelbrock rebuilt carb


>
>hi guys,
>
>thank you so much for your answers to my looooong engine post. things
>clear up very much. here is one question left unanswered:
>
>anybody out there having experiences with a rebuilt edelbrock carb
they
>sell at jegs for around 160 bucks. thinking about getting one of em.
any
>other good source for a carb deal? (4bbl, 600 or 750 cfm)
>
>regards, George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:19:40 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: Re: W-27

Well I was really hoping to find a complete W-27 rear end. There must be one 
out
there somewhere.

Bill Dickinson
dickinson@skow.net

oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:

> I'm assuming you mean just the cover, Brothers has them and I believe Year
> One also.
>
> Brothers price is $74.50 for either the 10 or 12 bolt cover and the ph # is
> 800-442-7278. I don't have Year One's catalog handy at the moment.
>
> Or if you want an original I'll sell you the one off of the 72 H/O parts car
> I'll be getting in a couple of weeks.
>
> Randy
>
> >Is there anybody who knows where I can find a W-27 alum. rear end?

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:29:22 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Charging/Electrical system problem

> So I took it on the freeway, and it was on a lot, when I turned,
> accelerated, braked, whatever.  Took it back to the dealer and
> told them to call me when they figure out the problem.

If it's that obvious, they probably already know about it and have
not figured it out either.

> My mom was just about ready to write the check for it until that
> final test drive.

If it is likely that someone else might snap up the car despite
the problem, and she really wants it anyway, she should ask them
to give a _written_ promise that this will be fixed as a condition
of sale. It doesn't have to be fixed _before_ the sale as long as
she has an appointment to bring it back reasonably soon to give
them a chance to work on it. Around here that's sometimes called
a "We Owe" form; it's a pre-printed rider to the contract that
you use to list the things to be fixed.

> Any ideas what it is?

I think your theory of a loose connection sounds good. Maybe a
loose starter cable or ground cable, something that interrupts
the charging circuit when the car is jolted. I'd focus on the
charging circuit, since the warning light you see is telling
you that the battery is not charging at that time.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:25:22 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)

My machine shop charges $100 to balance.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)



>Thanks for the details. I assume this is a machine shop specialty thing -
>any idea what kind of cost?
>
>drc
>
>
>>Yep, works kinda like a dynamic tire balancer.  I believe the crank is
held
>>in the balancer with bearings at either end.  One end is restrained while
>>the out of balance is measured on the other end.  Counterbalance weights
>>are drilled or filled as dictated by the balancer, then the restraints are
>>reversed and the other end balanced.
>>
>>Joe Padavano
>>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>>
>>66 442
>>68 W-30
>>69 H/O
>>70 W-30
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:20:37 +0000
From: Jim Connerly <jdconner@ccia.com>
Subject: 87 442 for sale

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Hi Steve,

The serial number is, (1 G 3 G R 1 1 9 O H P 3 1 7 3 9 7 ), it is
maroon/maroon, buckets/console, T-Tops, AT, AC, PW, and factory wheels. the
phone number is 330 426-3444, it is at Rollerena Used Cars in Unity Oh., it
might be listed as East Palestine Oh. ice looking car but it was locked and I
could not check it out inside or under the hood.

Jim Connerly
jdconner@ccia.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:30:04 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: List Index

Here is my URL: http://home1.gte.net/betzel/be.html
<http://home1.gte.net/betzel/be.html>

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the .... Past


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	RC Hellebuyck [SMTP:mrhell@sprynet.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:13 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: List Index

	>Listmembers, I am going to make a page that lists all of the
listmembers'
	websites.  If you
	>are reading this and have a website, please email me the url.>


	HI, my web site is at:    http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

	Thanks.

	=====================================================
	RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
	See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
	http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:35:19 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: to everyone

If you come to Charlotte, look us up.
MACOCA  -  Mid Atlantic Chapter Olds Club of America
We will be on the black top of pit road near the center .
We will be there Sat. & Sun.
Roger Utter

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:35:37 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: List Index

i am also finally putting up my website so send me the url to    Thanks

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:54:11 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: Octane Question

While on my week long vacation through Colorado Last week I noticed that
ever gas station's maximum octane rating for 'Super' was rated @ 90 or
91.  This was all through Colorado and Utah.  In Texas we have 93 octane
everywhere, and when Lived in Woodstock, NY we could get 94 Octane @
Sunoco stations.
	What's the scoop on the octane ratings??

- -Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:52:43 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Bad message

I just tried to open the message from Jim Connerly subject: 87 442 for sale.
It will not open and hangs up MS Outlook. There is a attachment to the
message also. Is any one else having trouble with this message?

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ...... Past

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:02:27 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me..., with a little Olds content

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> He doesn't inhale......................
> And she doesn't swallow..........!!
>
> A match made in heaven...!!!
>
> > Impeach the bum!!! If he denied this scandal, think about the other things
> > he denies(whitewater, Chinese influence,etc) He's a commy!!!To the chamber
> > with him!!!

Agree with both of the above except the commie thing.  You know, it's
almost criminal to be a comedian or comedy writer in this day and age.
So much material and so little time to use it.  The truth of the matter
to me is, yes he did, (and probably enjoyed it), yes he lied about it
and yes I think he (or madame president) WAS involved in Whitewater and
several other dealings that would get you or me jail time and fines out
the yangers.  But as the teflon prez it seems to be difficult to make
anything stick.  What bothers me more is the way the public views all
this.  It seems lying, dishonesty, deceit and perjury are allowed in
today's society if the economy is good.  That really bothers me.  But I
am only one in about 250-300 million people.  The idea that anything you
do is okay if you don't get caught or is stonewalled DOES NOT make it
legal or morally right.  I am not a member of the moral right wing
group, but I do think lying is lying and deception is deception.  And no
matter how you color it or what you call it, it is still the same.
Guarantee you if the economy sucked and unemployment was over 10%
impeachment would be a real possibility.  (END OF SOAPBOX MODE)

On to better topics.  Saw a request for info on certain Olds models.
Also saw a reply asking about W-45 models.  Isn't this the code on the
Hurst/Olds models?  If so it kinda seems redundant as the first post
mentioned H/O models.  Am I correct in my memory that the person
requesting this info has been on the list for a good bit of time?  What
is the info being used for and is it going to be restricted to list
usage type things?

Sorry folks, but I can't resist.  Wonder how Monica felt when Bill said
he did not have sex with her.  Must have been bad enough to want to
forget or not good enough to want to remember.  Try telling THAT to a
woman and see what she does.  Besides it was probably more fun back when
Bill was riding around in Arkansas (or wherever he grew up) in the "back
seat".  I do wonder if madame prez is a VERY strong and forgiving woman
or just a d@*#ed fool.  Sorry for the non-Olds content, but this is a
bit of a national disgrace to me.  And not for the sex or nonsex part.
It's a matter of right or wrong, lying and truth for me.  So let's move
on and build some more musclecars.  That is a lot more interesting to me
than whether Bill gets laid or not.  He should just take his honeys to
the Holiday Inn or so and take care of business instead of the Oval
Office.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:55:46 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Bad message

I just tried to open the message from Jim Connerly
___________________

I was able to open it in Lotus Notes, but there was a _ton_ of extraneous
header crap in it.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:03:34 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bad message

I opened up that message and it was just a bunch of code I didn't understand.

Joe

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:04:05 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane Question

Reed, Steve wrote:

>         What's the scoop on the octane ratings??

Here in Southern California we have 87, 89, and 92 octane gas.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:08:34 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: I need 442 200-4r specs

What little I can say is according to the service manual, the line
pressures are the highest in the OZ (I think that is the 442 trans code)
trans.  The Cadillac AA has the lowest.  Gearing is all identical.

I am sure shift points are different, and the higher line pressures will
make for firmer shifting.  Also the valves in the trans are larger in
the better trans.

I am sure there is more.....


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:15:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Don't Blame Me, etc.

C'mon gang, Please! Gimme a break....

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:33:11 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)

>Does
>anyone have (factory) recliners in a 86-87 442? Drivers AND/OR Passenger
>side?

	I got the recliners on my 86 442. Driver AND passenger side. Now I got 
a
question. My seatbacks are kindda leaning towards the back on the console
side of both buckets. Driver side being most noticed. It's like someone
grabbed on to their corners and pulled back on the seats. Now, I've seen
this on other G-Body Cutli and was wondering if this is from normal wear and
tear. Anybody else has this condition?

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442-----> 307 H.O. (5A), TH-350 (not my fault,previous owner), 3.73
rear......Ooooh, T-tops !!!!

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:34:56 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: I'm back and have DMR report

Well hello fellow Oldsmoiblers.  I finally got my computer back.  It got fried
due to a storm here in Detroit in late July.  I have missed alot, but was able
to subscribe digest to read from the list.   First off, I need the address for
the Oldsmobile Artwork.
Second off, Dick Millers Olds nats was great, did anybody go to Joe's race in
illinois.  I ran my best time Sunday morning at 9:30 am
I ran a 12.149@110.75mph in my 72 W-30.   Our Street Rockets did well at Dick
Miller.  Tony with a 66 tri-power W-30 took best of show and first in his
class at the car show.  Mike Oderko took a trophy for best in Ralley 350
class, Rob Thomas went to the quarters with his 69 442 W-32, Bill Stamper took
first in Street Stock and Sal Mattei took runner up.  Lots of winners from
Detroit.  We had 16 cars at DMR and about 25 members.  Thanks to all that
showed up.  We also took a check for 250.00 for most club members with cars
and also got a plague.  Even though we are not OCA affiliated, we scored big
at DMR 1st Olds nats.

I will be updating the STREET ROCKET page here in the next couple of days.

Later
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
visit my web pages at http://members.aol.com/wmachines

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:32:12 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Blame Me, etc.

this is what i got...........if you open it and view attachments

Hi Steve,

The serial number is, (1 G 3 G R 1 1 9 O H P 3 1 7 3 9 7 ), it is
maroon/maroon, buckets/console, T-Tops, AT, AC, PW, and factory wheels. the
phone number is 330 426-3444, it is at Rollerena Used Cars in Unity Oh., it
might be listed as East Palestine Oh. ice looking car but it was locked and
I
could not check it out inside or under the hood.

Jim Connerly
jdconner@ccia.com



>
>C'mon gang, Please! Gimme a break....
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:36:22 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 442 Wheel Opinion

List members,
 I need your opinions and or ideas on replacement wheels for my 1969 442
convertible.  The tires are dry rotted and need to be replaced.  The car
has only one of the original wheels(on the spare).  It is a super stock
II(is this the correct name?).  I want to have a larger tire than the 14
inch now on the car.  Would you try to find a set of 15 inch super stock
II wheels or what about an after market 16 inch wheel?  Are reproduction
16 inch super stock II wheels available?  What aftermarket 16 inch wheel
would compliment the styling of a 1969 442?
 I need some ideas.  Thanks for your help.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:51:15 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)

Angel Castrodad wrote:
>
>         I got the recliners on my 86 442. Driver AND passenger side. Now I 
got
a > question. My seatbacks are kindda leaning towards the back on the console >
side of both buckets. Driver side being most noticed. It's like someone >
grabbed on to their corners and pulled back on the seats. Now, I've seen > this
on other G-Body Cutli and was wondering if this is from normal wear and > tear.
Anybody else has this condition? > Same here.  When viewed through the rear
window, my drivers seat has a noticeable tilt towards the center... - -- -
---Matt Chicago, IL '86 442 -
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mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323 -
--------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:45:38 -0400
From: "VBDeveloper" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights

I had the same problem till I changed the headlight switch.  Hope that
helps.

- ----------
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 09:26 AM

gotta be a short or a poor ground causing a strain on the fuse check the
tail and dash harness...kk
- -----Original Message-----
    From: Ken Swick <swickka@pa.net>
    To: oldsmobile bb <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 5:46 AM
    Subject: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights


    Well ... I was out tooling around in the 69 ... and a guy at a redlight
yells out ...
    "You got no tail lights!"

    Sure enough ... no tail lights ... not brake lights ... still got the
turn signals.
    I replace the fuse ... I carry a box of them in the glove box.
    Fuse lights up the tail lights .. I turn on the head lights and the
fuse
    blows again ... maybe coincidence maybe not. Another fuse ... same
results

    So I drive it home with the blinker on ... at least I can be seen.
    This is the second time.

    I have rewired tail llights and they worked for a month or so ...
    now back to base one.

    I'm thinking about a rocker switch for the tailights ... just isolate
the
    whole system ... but ... I'd rather fix the problem the right way.
    Anyone out there have this problem ... how did you fix?

    Ken Swick
    swickka@pa.net

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:14:21 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: re: engine build questions!!! LONG - Now 750cfm carb on 350

>Wasn't it Camaro Craft?
Wasn't Camaro Craft because I've never heard of or seen that magazine.

>The real question, of course, is what is your carb _really_ flowing?  A
>carb labled 750 cfm isn't necessarily flowing that much, especially on a
>350 at 6000 rpm.  As Mike Rothe and others have pointed out, the carb by
>itself is only a part of a system, and that system must be matched for
>optimum performance.  In addition, is your objective to build max W.O.T.
>horsepower at the expense of part-throttle driveability?  If so, you
>definitely want the bigger carb.

I'm not sure what exactly it's flowing for cfm but GM spent a lot of $ on
time and developing the ZZ series of create engines and that is what they
recommend for full horsepower and torque.  I replaced the "smaller" roller
cam with GM's largest off-road roller cam (234/242 duration .539/.558 lift).
I have the second to lightest spring in the secondaries.  The 4bbl opens up
about 1,400 rpm.  No dogging here!  The tires just smolder at will.  I can
spin the tires forever flooring it right off idle.  I put on some sticky
tires that barely spin and the car picks up at least 8 tenths.  Still
doesn't bog at all.  Part throttle response is awsome.  I can spin the tires
in 2rd gear at ¼  throttle and 3rd gear roll on full throttle.  I guess it
is one of those good small block combinations that really work! :-)  The
engine has very flat torque curve of 400 lb/ft or more from 1,800 - 6,200
rpm.  I think the perfectly matched combination of roller cam, aluminum high
velocity swirl port heads with small valves, dual plane intake, 10:1
compression, light weight internals, and balancing have the most to do with
it.  I wonder how a 350 Olds would compare being built similar??

My objective was to have the most amount of torque possible from off idle to
6,200 with only 350 c.i. and still be perfectly streetable and reliable.  I
think that goal was met even using a 750 cfm carb.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com <mailto:chads@pcsco.com>
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
                          ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
                          Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."






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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:30:04 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: clock woes

Well, I stuck my head up under the dash yesterday and finally found the
wires for my clock.  The orange wire was being used as the constant power on
the stereo, as I suspected.  Once I traced the orange wire back, the grey
one was pretty easy to find.  It was hiding back behind the ash tray.  So
anyway, I hooked up the wires and installed the clock, then hooked the
battery back up.  And to my disappointment, the darn thing doesn't work.
What's got me bugged is that the lights don't even work!  That's got me
wondering if it's not grounding correctly.  It grounds through the case to
the metal piece where the mounting screw goes, right?  There's no reason why
it shouldn't be grounded, but it doesn't make sense that neither the clock
or the lights work.  My luck just usually isn't that bad.  I didn't test the
light lead, but I know the power lead is good.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Blaine

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:30:26 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s

First is that blue tri-fold brochure about all the 1969 W-cars, which
_does_
indicate that a TH350 was available in the W-31 that year ('course, that
- -> Yes, I've got that brochure

Next is the 69 powertrain table from the dealer brochures.  This only
shows
the three manual transmissions as being available (3 spd and close and
wide
ratio 4 spd).
- -> Don't think I have this.

The Dr. Olds series of magazine ads for that year _do_ indicate that a
TH350
was available (though some omit the 3 spd MT).
- -> I have the 1969 W-Machine brochure, it's the black and white one
which lists all the 69 W-Machines.  I also have the super tuning and
blueprinting brochure.

Finally, the parts book _does_ list a TH350 replacement trans for the
"3200,
3600, 350 Eng. T.H. 350 O.A.I", with part number 6260147.  As an
interesting
note on the "JO" trans code mystery, this transmission is _the_ only one
in
the book which does not have it's two letter designator listed!  The
other
TH350s do have designators that start with "J", however.  Also
interesting
is
that only this TH350 and the "OW" (W-30 and 68 H/O) and "OH" (69 H/O)
TH400
transmissions do _not_ have a price listed in the parts book - all the
other
transmissions _do_ have price listings.
- -> Interesting indeed!!  The only other 69 TH350 code that comes to mind
offhand is the JL

The conclusion I draw from this is that the TH350 was probably released
in
the
W-31 after the start of the 1969 model year.  It appears that literature
which
was printed prior to or early in the model year doesn't reference it,
but
- -> That is my assumption also.

later documents do.  Just out of curiosity, what's the build date of
your
W-31, Chris?

- -> I believe 05D, or the 4th week of May.  Check here
http://www.abcs.com/chris/69w31.htm
which is a late build date and doesn't help us here if you are trying to
determine what I think you are.

- -> Now my curiosity is peaked more.  I've written down the date from the
transmission, but it is at home somewhere (the paper, not the tranny :)
Since I'm closer to the car then I am to the paper, I may have to stop
by after work and take a look at the tranny, and also it would be a good
time to check the progress.

- -> Also, just an FYI, I'm only on realtime mode during weekdays from
work, but I still get the digest sent to my home account.  The only
thing is I rarely check digests (I'm like 200-300 behind) and for some
reason just decided to check the last few days.  What I'm trying to say
is if it's before 8am or after 4pm central then please also cc my email
at work or home to be sure I receive it, thanks.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:34:57 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: Valve Adjustment Question

From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>

>    Since then I've used Mondello adjustable pushrods in my 72 W30
> 455 with great success. Small base circle cam (Mondello 22-25), thick
> head gaskets, trued heads, valve job, no problem! Just bring each
> cylinder to TDC, take up the slack, and then unscrew 1 more turn, and
> tighten the jam nut. Never touched them since. The 72 W30 runs 13.30
> and has won it's share of races. I'm looking forward to trying the
> Comp Cams kit or even a set of aluminum roller rockers and screw-in
> studs for my upcoming bracket car project (If I ever get the time/$$)
:)

	I too have the Mondello 22-25 cam in my 455.  I however have
competition cams roller tip rockers, guideplates and pushrods.  At the
time I assembled the engine (It's only got an hour on it) I adjusted
each rocker to zero last while on the base circle of the cam, and then
went a 1/2 turn more on the rocker locknut.  This is what I have done in
the past on most every hydraulic lifter engine.
	I'm curious about the adjustable pushrods, what would the
benefit be?  What would the recommended method of valve adjustment be
with these and my roller tip rockers?
	I'm trying to get as much info as I can before I dive back into
the engine.  I'm going to remove the Torker ][ manifold  & steel gasket
and replace it with a dual plane manifold, as well as install a Toronado
oil pan.
	I've acquired A LOT of knowledge from this list and appreciate
everyone who's helped me out, Thanx!

- -Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:33:45 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: clock woes

Do you know if the clock is supposed to be good?  What about the light
bulb, burned out maybe?  Just throwing out ideas.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:48:55 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: RE: hopping up my '68 350

>I'm hopping up the 350 in my '68 Delmont.  I have
>a mild cam, lifters, roller rockers and springs.  I'm not interested in
>spending a fortune, just adding a little fuel to the rocket.  I'm looking
for
>advice on what to do next.  The engine still has the original 2 bbl intake
and
>carb.  What 4bbl intake and carb are my best bet and are they a direct bolt
on
>as I previously thought.

I like the Edelbrock Performer and Performer RPM intakes for Olds.  I've had
great results with both of them.  The Performer intake will fit stock
accessories better than the RPM intake.  Need to match the intake RPM range
with your cam range.

Q-Jets are good carbs if properly built and tuned.  My other recommendations
are Holley and Edelbrock.

A good set of headers and dual exhaust is a good start on making some power.
Can't take in what you can't get out.  I like to use Hedman because they fit
nice.  DynoMax Super Turbos are my mufflers of choice for small block V8's.
The 350 Olds sounds nice and deep through them but do drone at 2K.

A good ignition setup with coil, module (if you have HEI), and plug wires.
I recommend Accel or MSD.  I have the Accel HEI super coil, Accel module,
and Accel race wires.  The MSD coils are rated at higher voltage than the
Accel's.

K&N filter.  Last filter you will ever have to buy and I gained 3 tenths
over a paper filter and open element air cleaner.

I think these are a good start with bang for the buck in mind.  There are a
lot more but depends on what you want to spend and how fast you want to go.
I just add more when I can afford it and get the over all package I want in
the end.

Just my $0.0002.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com <mailto:chads@pcsco.com>
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
                          ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
                          Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:45:25 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: To: Fledgeling Vendors was:Toro- Graveyard and:O-lot-o-Olds Parts

Karl has wasted much potential sack-time the past several days investing in
frustration.

It took something like 5 emails to discover what the real deal was on the Toro
Death Yarde.

Lots o Communication yeilding little Information.

Which of course brings me to today's subject;

Truth in Advertising!

[[ I am NOT flaming anyone! ]]
[[ This issue needs to be raised and certain examples happen to be handy...]]
[[ My apologies if I offend ]]
[[Jack? You're on digest, right? Wanted you to see this too.]]

There really is no easy way to do this, so;

<< ill be comeing a crossed lot of olds parts (and a w meen alot!) give me a
list of stuff you need and we can work somethig out. i can give you guys a
good deal (for being on the list and all :) >>

[[(private joke) Pat? Are you available for temporary assignments? ]]

Now, in retrospect only (!!), what Ryan was saying was that he was either
going Yarde-ing or to a large swap meet.

The lack of the specific source was somewhat infuriating to at least two list
members.
Not to mention that the "look for this" list should differ between Yarde and
Swap.

Again;
(8-12-98)
<< This lot has been laying fallow for YEARS! It's just waiting for the right
person to keep it from the CRUSHER, which is literally a few days/months away!
What a shame!  ((G. Kalkhoff))>>
- -and-
(8-15-98)
<< .... however, I don't have the answers and I'm NOT in a position to
elaborate ANYMORE than I already have, only out of respect to Jack ... ((G.
Kalkhoff)) >>

So the contact person is not Greg, but Jack!
This should definitely have been in the first post!
Note that THREE DAYS have gone by!
I thought that this was supposed to be an emergency!

So, Karl continues The Great Pro-Life Toro Email Campaign.
and eventually:

Karl:"So........I gotta deal through you?"

And FINALLY!

(8-17-98)
<< Karl, I am not in this to make much $!! And YES you have to go thru me.
Come on down for a day help me part a car and I will let you have what you
want[in reason] It is not a yard we are dealing with and it is in Ft. Wayne
In.about 3 hours from you. I have my own Landscape firm ,so if I know when you
are coming it will not be a problem for me to amuse you for a day!!! Be in
touch,Jack  >>

From the twelfth to the seventeenth?

This should NOT have taken a full week!

Mind you, by the time Karl finally got the details, Karl was on the verge of
high....
Um....you know.

Flames, la-la-la-la-la.

And the outcome occurred to Karl to being like;
From the dealer directly (through me!) to you!

WHAT!

But now I have had the day to think about it. It really is not such a bad
concept.

Someone in the area who has the wherewithall "purchases" several of the
endangered vehicles, lets the space during the stripping process, and (I
imagine) sells the worthless bits back for scrap. Thus saving as much as
possible.

(fortunately Karl exercises a one-day waiting period on flames!)

And to be honest, the more I mull it over, the more tempting his offer.
Which, in all fairness, is pretty generous.

Too bad it took a week to find out.

Moral: Please people! Details! Details! Details!

I cannot tell you why your car does not work if you do not include DETAILS of
the problem.

You will not be flamed for sending too much information.
((Which does not include reposting the Email you are answering!))

Naturally your own biological state during any such crisis is probably
extraneous....

SOM
&KA

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