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oldsmobile-digest     Friday, September 11 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1476



(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
Event - Jefferson swap meet/show/car-corral
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Rocket Talk...how to do it?
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
RPO codes ZIP
Receiving e-mail
Re: Rocket Talk...how to do it?
Re: (Event): BOPC show for the year 2000
Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings
I'm baaack!
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick? NO!
Conv top cylinders
take me off the mailing list
Re: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)
Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
Any car shows near Knoxville TN??
Re: 10th Annual CCR Fall Olds Show
Coverting CS to 350 +th 350?
Re: names
subscribe oldsmobile
UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert
Re: names-Mazzarati
12th Annual Mid-Ohio Show and Swap Meet
Brake shoe Q.
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert
Re: list DISCOUNTS!!!
Re: Brake shoe Q.
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: Brake shoe Q.
Re: list DISCOUNTS!!!
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
9/19/98 Olds Cruise Nite (Maryland)
CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?
Cutlass Conv. on Ebay
Re: names
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert
Re: Brake shoe Q.
Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?
Re: Conv top cylinders
Re: '72 Delta 88 convertible for sale
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: Smoke from the carb
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Oil Analysis
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: Setting up a OLDS website
Re: Oil Analysis
Re: Setting up a OLDS website
Un$*bbing for a while
Re: assembly manual
Re: Rocket Talk...how to do it?
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Engine number vs year
RE: Brake shoe Q. (LONGISH)
'68 Door & Deck Lid Questions
(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
Re: 403 motor

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:37:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 15th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  My wife and I again are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sunday, Sept 13, 1998.   This is a
successful and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for
this year.  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking
lot, which is right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully
visible to thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also
conveniently located next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront
Landing, and right next door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of
our proud sponsors).  We had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A
total of well over 100 cars were on display.  This year we anticipate the
largest turnout ever.


I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  If you go to the show, make sure you come by and say hi.  I will be
at either of two places, the DJ table, or near my car (Blue 1969 4-4-2 with
factory white racing stripes on the hood)  Also, food and beverages will be
available.

Here is the information:
SUNDAY, Sept. 13, 1998, 8am-4pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile
Funshow.  Car Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The
Archway Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or
classic Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles
Banquet center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and
trophies given away in 16 categories.  Cruise by and check out the show
while the DJ plays the golden Oldies.  For more information call John
Palmberger (314)-355-4864 or Jeff Zeilmann (314) 939-4613.

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Best
Western (the Hotel that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).  There are 3
hotels within one block of the show, and nearly a dozen within a one mile
radius of the show.

ps. The '69 4-4-2 will definitely be there (just got the carb rebuilt!)
  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:35:54 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Event - Jefferson swap meet/show/car-corral

Hey everyone...

If any of you are in the Central Wisconsin area the weekend of
Sept 26 & 27 there is what they tote as "The biggest show &
swap meet in the Midwest."

I'll be in the car-coral with my '87 442, with a RIDICULOUSLY
high price tag on it. ;-) I'd like the opportunity to meet some of
you guys if you can make it. Let me know privately, and I can
arrange to be near my car at specific times...otherwise, there
are lots of deals, junk, and misc items to be had.

They have a site with much more information at:

http://www.cars-on-line.com/Jefferson.html

Hope to see you there!

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:22:46
From: Jeff Lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

And how about a rear axle, and a set of 66/67 chrome wheels??



At 10:38 AM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Can I get a Toro OIL PAN?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>>More info.
>>
>>Jack Bazur (sp?) called me this morn.
>>
>>The Toro-deal is still kinda tentative.
>>$$$ agreed on but date not set.
>>Jack busy guy.
>>
>>Basicly we'll try to strip the toro's of all valuable bits in little time
>>left.
>>
>>If anyone needs the frame for a toro (Karl not know what years available),
>>speak up.
>>
>>This "transaction" will prolly be limited to one or two days so may not be
>>able to stip all the good stuff.
>>
>>Yes, all efforts will be made to preserve good sheetmetal.
>>
>>BTW; what is the quickest way to remove an engine from a yarde-car?
>>Yah engine mounts.
>>Can they be got at with car on ground?
>>Likely will be using impact wrench (or B.F.H.)!!
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>SOM
>>&KA
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:57:10 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Rocket Talk...how to do it?

I know that I saw an address to get on rocket talk on the web ring somewhere,
but I can't find it now.

I'd like to try this, but I've never engaged in a chat room. Can someone give
a quick rundown on the procedure. I'm on AOL if it matters.

Thanks and cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:04:54 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

> quit screwing around with those poor excuses for internal combustion
> and simply use a complete 455/Toro transaxle.

Hear, hear. Benefits include really good mulching, and great traction
for going up hills, etc.

Drawbacks may include deafness, ruts in the lawn, and complaints from
the neighbor about turf sprayed all over their house if you push down
too hard on the pedal...

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:20:02 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Carron,

What type of car are you "sub-framing"?  Most of the current rod jobs that are
being done with either a C*^aro or N*va sub-frame, as these are plentiful and
parts are easy to replace.

While I'm no expert at this work, I would guess that what it takes is
carefully calculating where the old frame is going to be cut off, measuring
the available sub-frames to see which one fits the best (width-wise), building
any necessary adapting gussets or filler pieces, and welding the new parts
together with the old frame section, being sure that the entire assembly stays
square and level.  You have to be sure that the area where the old and new
frame parts join is well reinforced, would be a shame to have it bend or break
when it encounters it's first bump in the road!

If you need any detailed info, E-mail me privately -- I know someone here in
Kansas City that does sub-frame conversions, most recently on a early 50's C-
word truck.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:40:30 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

>
>Of course.  Since the hardest part is hooking the motor to the driveline,
>quit screwing around with those poor excuses for internal combustion and
>simply use a complete 455/Toro transaxle.  Just the ticket for lawn tractor
>racing....  ;-)

Why not just get a jeep PTO unit and mount riding mower blades under a '78
Cutlass that has a 260 in it allready?
That the easiest way, and in a pinch you can still use it to get groceries.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:37:55 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

At 05:51 PM 9/10/98 -0300, you wrote:
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From:	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
>Subject: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
>
>I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and
>got to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and
>some cartridge rolls, well...
>
>Do I need help?

No, you need beter dremel bits, they make a stone one that would be
better for that .
 :)

>(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
>riding mower, anyone got any ideas?

Hmmmmmm, not sure. I do know someone with a ford 2.0 4 banger
out of a Pinto in a Ariens riding mower.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:43:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RPO codes ZIP

Hello,
    If anyone is interested....I've got a ZIP file showing the options
listed on the RPO label of the "G-body "cars,if interested,hit me
direct and I'll send it.
            SMAN





==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:48:39 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Receiving e-mail

I guess this should be addressed to Greg,
When I sent out the post about Big Mac hitting # 62 I checked the time when
he hit it, it was 20:17 CST(daylite) time. When I got aroung to sending it,
the time was 20:26. When I post to the Olds list I get a copy back from the
list as a normal post. My computer said :received @ 20:08.
I received it before I sent it, apparently. My server says (their clock is
right). ??? Is this a function of the Olds list or is my server full of it.
Maybe we can try this with the Illinois state lottery. I'll split the
money, or we'll have a grand Olds event with the 6 mil. Thanks,
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk...how to do it?

- ---SpeedCom@aol.com wrote:
>
> I know that I saw an address to get on rocket talk on the web ring
somewhere,
> but I can't find it now.
>
> I'd like to try this, but I've never engaged in a chat room. Can
someone give
> a quick rundown on the procedure. I'm on AOL if it matters.

- ---Well the address is :
      http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm
I don't know if theres anything special for AOL....Karl can help with
this one:)
                    SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:54:37 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Event): BOPC show for the year 2000

Jeff,

Over here in Kansas City we annually have a B-O-P-C show, and the Heart of
America Chapter usually comes away with the most trophies and largest
contingency!

Sounds like a good idea.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:02:39 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings

Randy,

Don't immediately throw away that MSD box -- they have excellent customer
service, and it might cost you a little, I'd be willing to bet they can repair
it.  Had a client once that had an underhood fire on his race car (burnt the
wires up going to the distributor, power, etc.) and he sent his box back to
them just to have it checked out, and they replaced the wires, no charge!

Contact them via their web site at http://www.msdignition.com/

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:11:10 -0600
From: Scott Wheeler <bswhee@gte.net>
Subject: I'm baaack!

I'm finally back in circulation!

Look forward to hearing from all the old "type" faces...graphic artist humor
: )

BTW ... MARK TUPPER are you out there?

If so, e-mail me direct at bswhee@gte.net

See ya in the e-mails!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv (WHEE)
Dallas

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:12:46 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick? NO!

Bob,
I ported and relieved a Briggs and Stratton 2.5 hp flathead mower. Darned
thing would die if I even looked at tall grass. It was brand new,
and I was really pis*ed at the thing. Pulled it apart, used the Dremel,
trimmed the blades on the governor, threw away the choke, one of those
airflow types, when you hit tall grass the rpm's would slow and the choke
would automatically fatten up the mixture compounding the problem. Put an
old Olds downdraft tube on it for a header, pointing up. Ran like hell,
used 50 weight Valvoline racing oil. Ran for about 8 years before it blew,
wife and the neighbors hated it, had to squirt fuel in the carb before it
would start. Used to add Castrol R
to the gas and it smelled like a fuel car. Kept blowing pieces of carbon in
your face under a load and you could have used ear protection. Dumb, but a
I did it. No one ever asked to borrow it.

<bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:40 AM
>
>
> >
> >Of course.  Since the hardest part is hooking the motor to the
driveline,
> >quit screwing around with those poor excuses for internal combustion and
> >simply use a complete 455/Toro transaxle.  Just the ticket for lawn
tractor
> >racing....  ;-)
>
> Why not just get a jeep PTO unit and mount riding mower blades under a
'78
> Cutlass that has a 260 in it allready?
> That the easiest way, and in a pinch you can still use it to get
groceries.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:20:51 -0600
From: Scott Wheeler <bswhee@gte.net>
Subject: Conv top cylinders

Question...

With the weather here in Dallas I've been putting the top up more often to
sheild me from the nuclear sun rays that melt everything in sight. In doing
so I seem to have worn out the drivers side top cylinder, it's developed a
leak right where the plastic line goes into the brass fitting.

Can this be fixed or am I doomed to blow the $150 a pop for new ones?

BTW, the Year 1 catalog says the pump uses Dextron II Trans fluid??? The
stuff leaking out now ain't red and stinks to high heaven.

God, it's good to be back!!!

Scott Wheeler
68 442 Conv (WHEE)
Dallas

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:37:41 EDT
From: Z28442@aol.com
Subject: take me off the mailing list

CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO STOP THIS E-MAIL
I'M GOING ON VACATION THIS WEEKEND

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:20:19 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 30,000 original mile '69 455? (Very long)

B. Sanders wrote:
>
> > A moment of silence, please.  One of our brethren has fallen...
> >
> > What a shame...
> >
> > :(
> >
> > Paul
> > --
>
> Now Paul, were you referring to me, or the car?
>
> Blaine

I don't know, did you fall?

Was referring to the car.

Paul
still mourning...
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:41:13 EDT
From: KJesk@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

Carlisle is only one of the greatest car shows ever!

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:47:29 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Any car shows near Knoxville TN??

Any car shows near Knoxville TN??

Cheeres/carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:51:25 EDT
From: Paylor850@aol.com
Subject: Re: 10th Annual CCR Fall Olds Show

I need some help,,,,,,,,

     I just picked up this 65 Olds Cutlass F85 Convertable  and I need some
parts.  First i need to know what size engine i have,  and I am also looking
for the front and rear bumbers.   I could also use some convertable frame
parts ...

 If any one can help me I would really appreciate it.


Lost in Fayetteville NC with no help

Larry

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:23:49 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Coverting CS to 350 +th 350?

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Just saw post on 403 in an 87

I have been thinking about putting a 350 in my
1985 Cutlass Supreme.

Will a 350 Bu-ck with TH 350 bolt up
to a 1985 Cutlass Supreme?
What adjustments / mods would be required?=20

My 307 is shot and when I find an Olds 350
I'll swap out again. =20

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:21:51 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: names

> >Century - Now there's a winner...  Name it after a time span...  Then
> >only      the people that old can drive it.

Actually, back in 1936, when the Century was so named.  It was due to
the fact that it was successfully able to safely maintain speeds in
excess of 100 mph.  Not to many cars could claim that in '36.  And, it
was knick named The Banker's Hot Rod.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:21:43 EDT
From: Olds409@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subscribe oldsmobile

Alright, I hooked up the free trial AOL, if I sent my subscription to the
wrong address, could someone please let me know?  HTannks!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:29:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert

Thought this person was on the list but apparently not. Reply to
Paylor850@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Paylor850@aol.com

     I just picked up this 65 Olds Cutlass F85 Convertable  and I need some
parts.  First i need to know what size engine i have,  and I am also looking
for the front and rear bumbers.   I could also use some convertable frame
parts ...

 If any one can h*lp me I would really appreciate it.


Lost in Fayetteville NC with no help

Larry

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:39:34 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert

larry  (1)  i have tickets to the charlotte auto fair  admission for 2  and a
parking pass
 charlotte must be close   all for $40....

(2) you should have a 330 motor either 2 or 4 bbl...

I have no 65 parts...but you have a great car there had one once..

really fast...jeff...

770   723-9345

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:34:54 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: names-Mazzarati

>> A former Eagles member (the band, not the football team) claimed that
the top
>> speed of such a car resulted in forfeiture of his driving privileges.

>
>Ah, yesssss...  That was 185, wasn't it???  ".....I lost my license,
now I can't
>drive...."   (Or something like that...  :)

. . . Except that now he drive's a Dodge and is just an Ordinary Average
Guy.

Olds related:  Anyone else going to the Puget Sound OCA and BC OCC All
Oldsmobile Weekend at Grand Coulee Dam this weekend?  If you're a list
member, be sure to say hi!  I'll be there in the '84 H/O.

Tom.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:50:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: 12th Annual Mid-Ohio Show and Swap Meet

The Mid-Ohio Chapter of OCA invites all OLDSMOBILES (regardless of shape,
size or condition) to the 12th Annual Car Show and Swap Meet on Sunday
Septemver 20th. 1998.. To be held at the Andersons at Rt161 ans Sawmill
Ro in Columbus, Ohio.  Registration 8;30 to 11:30 Awards at 4:00

Music, food etc and fun for all.  Point Judging per OCA guidelines for 34
classes.. Special awards ...Good Oldsmobiling...

Call 614=764-9668 or 614-890-7476 for more info or email me direct. Hope
to see you there!!!


 Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:43:58 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Brake shoe Q.

Anyone familiar with how the self-adjusting brake mechanism works on
G-body's?

Recently the right rear brake was grabbing on my '84 H/O, so I took it
apart today to check it out.  Other than almost a cup of brake dust
(egad!) everything looked fine.  No sign of axle or brake fluid leaking
onto the pads, pads about 50% worn (about 35,000 miles old), worn
evenly, brake drum not scored.  I put 'em back together after cleaning
it out and quickly scuffing the pads and rotors up with some sandpaper,
and the problem seems to have been solved.  I opened up the left rear
too, not nearly as much dust, and it looks fine, pads worn the same.

Don't the brakes get "adjusted" every time you step on the brake in
reverse?  If so, about a week ago I accidentally left the parking brake
on and backed up about 30 feet.  Could my brakes have simply been
over-adjusted and too tight?

Thanks!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:55:52 EDT
From: Olds409@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert

So apparently my free trial AOL is working.  Hey OldsGuyGA, I can put the Olds
list in my address book, right?  It seems as if it will only let me put AOL
users in it by their screen names.  And how can I create a signature file?
Thanks!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:04:02 EDT
From: JDess@aol.com
Subject: Re: list DISCOUNTS!!!

  Nice work Clayton,
  Thanks,
  joe Dessel

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:04:20 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Brake shoe Q.

>
>Don't the brakes get "adjusted" every time you step on the brake in
>reverse?  If so, about a week ago I accidentally left the parking brake
>on and backed up about 30 feet.  Could my brakes have simply been
>over-adjusted and too tight?
>

ussually when the brakes are applied in reverse, the pads rock a little,
this rocking causes the adjuster to click and they tighten (spread apart).
Ussually  this only adjusts them 1 or 2 notches, but with the parking
brake on, it could have been more.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:06:50 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

Tom:
bet that would be fun, Olds engine on the mower.  Sure would be cheaper and
easier than putting it into a classic airplane.  I think I could afford to
dream of doing it myself.  No, you are not sick to port the intake of the
mower.  Did you wax it with a good carnoba? wax too!  By the way I only use
Aero Shell 15 w 50 in my mowers.  The only oil for air cooled engines.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:24:53 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

In a message dated 98-09-10 10:41:08 EDT, you write:

<< Can I get a Toro OIL PAN? >>

I would be glad to send you one.....

If I had one.

Right now still a coupla cars cowering together.

Really need to know if anybody needs the big parts that could be damaged in
hasty stripping.

Like Frame rails!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:25:07 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 98-09-10 10:49:24 EDT, you write:

<< Optimizing a 455 for low RPM output requires long, relatively
 narrow intake and exhaust plumbing.  This will build airflow velocity and
 if the length is correctly matched to the engine and RPM, can provide a ram
 induction effect to push volumetric efficiency over 100%.  Witness the old
 413 Chrysler motors with the long ram manifolds that actually placed the
 carbs outboard of the valve covers.  >>

Rrrmmmm.

Karl beleives he unnerstands narrow and high velocity as part of necessary
fluid dynamics.
But why do passages need to be yea long for displacement/RPM?

Still morning now (sigh).
Will query an off-list person on this topic and forward his opinions.

Joe?
Can I forward your views?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:40:32 EDT
From: Olds409@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake shoe Q.

Well I'm not sure about this self adjusting brakes thing, but I do know about
the G-body feature of automatic disassembly of parking brake "plates" and
springs when power braking.  I discovered this feature when i pulled off my
drum and my parking brake pieces fell onto the ground.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:43:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: list DISCOUNTS!!!

- ---JDess@aol.com wrote:
>
>   Nice work Clayton,
>   Thanks,
>   joe Dessel
>
- ---Sorry,I missed something...can somebody resend the orig to me?
              SMAN
==
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1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:47:10 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 9/10/98
 9:<BR40:<BR43 PM Central Daylight Tim, KarlAune@aol.com writes:

> Karl beleives he unnerstands narrow and high velocity as part of necessary
>  fluid dynamics.
>  But why do passages need to be yea long for displacement/RPM?
>
>  Still morning now (sigh).
>  Will query an off-list person on this topic and forward his opinions.

Karl,
Are you wondering why length has anything to do with it? If so, think of a
brass instrument. Certain length tube resonates at only a certain range of
frequencies with a peak somewhere in that range. Get the intake tube length to
match the power curve portion that you want to augment and you can definitely
get a boost (opposite of 2 stroke expansion pipe). Trouble is that for
practical RPM, tube is way looong (like 16" for my 450 Ducati). But, Chrysler
put the carbs way out over the front wheels where they looked really stupid
but worked really smart :-)

Sorry if I misinterpreted your puzzlement.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:51:10 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: 9/19/98 Olds Cruise Nite (Maryland)

Shameless plug for my club's upcoming event!

September 19 - 2nd ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE

Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club. At The Big M Restaurant/ Bel
Air Drive-In  Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between
Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles  west of I-95). All years and condition
Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free goodie
bag to first 50 Oldsmobiles through the gate. Open to the public. Other
vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 drawing.
FREE! For more info contact: The Big M @ (410) 734-4370 or Brad
Nicholson at (410) 256-0381 or email: brad442@erols.com. Web Site:
http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ

Seems to be alot happening he next 2 weeks in the PA/MD/DC/VA/DE area if
you want to do something Oldsmobile!

Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
brad442@erols.com
OCA Web Site - http://www.oldsclub.org

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:55:01 -0500
From: Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?

I'll be at the CCR/Templeton Show Sunday, anyone else going?

I'f your coming from MD, my chapter, the Oldsmobile Centennial Club, is
meeting at the I-95 rest stop between Baltimore & Washington that day
between 8:30-9:00am and going from there to the show.  If you want to
join the caravan, just show up.  We will be taking I-95 south to the
Washington Beltway then head West toward Rockville to cross the Cabin
John Bridge into Virginia, then West on Rt7/Leesburg Pike (4th or 5th
exit into VA) to Templeton Olds, about 3-4 miles down the road.

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy
brad442@erols.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:02:37 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass Conv. on Ebay

There's a 1972 Cutlass convertible up for auction on Ebay.  As of my writing
this the maximum bid was $1500.  Sounds like it is in nice shape.  No pic
though.

Tim

'68 Delmont
'76 Cutlass Street Stock

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:09:23 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 9/10/98 3:18:50 PM Central Daylight Time, tbartee@mitre.org
writes:

<< I thought a "sedan" by definition had 4 doors (2 doors means a "coupe") -
Tom. >>


I believe a 2dr Sedan would have window posts on the doors.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:13:34 EDT
From: SIDIALI@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F85 Convert

Larry,
   if your engine is original or atleast stock, you should have a 330 cid,
which was introduced when Oldsmobile and the rest of GM upsized the
"intermediate" body styles in 1964.  Your engine should be gold in color.  You
may try Fusick's, Mid-Atlantic Performance, or Year-One for you convertible
bits.  I have some odd '65 parts that may yet find a good home.  Give me some
time to finish my shed and I'll send you an inventory.
   While I'm at it, does anyone have any '60 Dynamic88 parts?.  I need a trim
ring (1), and a unpitted exterior rearview mirror would be nice.  I just
bought the Dynamic88 from the original owner, all original down to the
floormats, 371 2-bbl, automatic, am radio for $1000, and drove it 50 miles
home without a problem.

Alex in Mobile, AL
'68 Cutlass S Convertible
'60 Dynamic88 Sedan

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:17:07 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake shoe Q.

In a message dated 9/10/98 11:06:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Olds409@aol.com
writes:

<< Well I'm not sure about this self adjusting brakes thing, but I do know
about
 the G-body feature of automatic disassembly of parking brake "plates" and
 springs when power braking.  I discovered this feature when i pulled off my
 drum and my parking brake pieces fell onto the ground.
  >>

wow, does that really happen?  ive never had it happen to me, but then again,
i dont do alot of powerbraking....  thats a new one on me and ill be sure not
to do any more of that nonsense!
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?

Brad Nicholson <brad442@erols.com> wrote:
I'll be at the CCR/Templeton Show Sunday, anyone else going?

*******************
     We'll be there! Look for a red 70 W30 4 speed convertible.
     We'll be coming from the south so we'll miss the caravan :)
Lexington Park is about 60 miles south of Washington, DC. Sorta down
in the 'sticks' in the southernmost part of Maryland. We've been to
every Templeton show, and shown a car at every one except the first.
     Looking forward to nice weather, good times and many Oldses :)



==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Conv top cylinders

Scott,
The fluid you have is most likely Delco supreme #11. The rest of the world 
calls
 it DOT 3 brake fluid. A little background, my 66 Delta 88 had been off the
road for several years and the power top was in pieces when I bought the car.
So I had to go through the entire system. I assume the fluid smells kinda like
hard liquor that has turned sour the color should be somewhat clear. This is a
good indication that the fluid should be replaced. You can run tranny fluid in
system (Dexron II) in fact that is exactly what GM did later on. A lot of
people on the list also advocate this. The main advantage of tranny fluid is if
you ever spill the stuff it won't damage the interior like brake fluid will
also I think tranny fluid is more stable with age. I decided to keep brake
fluid in mine. I didn't feel like flushing the system that throughly I figure
if it lasted thirty years its okay. Now for leak it sounds like maybe you just
have to replace the clear plastic line I think the brass is sort of crimped on
the plastic these run around $50 each or $90 for both lines. Also
hydro-e-lectric has your cylinder for $120 (800) 343-4261
www.hydroelectric.com?. What I would do is: 1) replace the plastic lines if 
this
the problem(I had to pull the rear seat to get access cutlass might be
different) 2) pull motor out of car dispose of brake fluid and replace with
fresh brake fluid personal preference everyone one else is going to tell you to
switch to dexron II 3)bleeed system. all you do is run top up and down without
letting fluid level in reservoir drop.

Good Luck email if you need details on bleeding or anything else.

Erik Ferguson

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:38:37 EDT
From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Subject: Re: '72 Delta 88 convertible for sale

What are SS IV's?

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:04:16 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 9/10/98 9:24:29 AM CST, SpeedCom@aol.com writes:

<< more important for you to get into this in the easiest, safest manner, or
for you to have an Olds engine? >>

Important to get into this in the safest, easiest manner with an Olds engine.

Barney

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:19:30 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smoke from the carb

In a message dated 9/10/98 12:54:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KarlAune@aol.com
writes:

<< Was this an original carb or off another car?
 If from another car, what was engine displacement on that car and yours now?
 Are you using particularly advanced timing (a shot in the dark)? >>

 well, the carb i have came on a 307.  as far as the advance im running, all i
can remember when i set it is i set it to specs for a '79 toro with a 350, and
then i added more to it untill i got some spark knock, then backed off a
little.  i know that sounds crude, but hey, there is a lot of difference in my
engine from that of a stock toro 350.
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:17:08 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Joe, one may want to check out Art Morrison Ent. @ www.artmorrison.com
for complete chassis. He offers M*st*ng II, Custom or strut front
suspension with 4 Bar, 4 link or ? rears in kit or welded form for all
kinds of old cars + custom set-ups.
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32


- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 6:48 AM
>
> ...information on replacing the front and rear chassis on an old car with
> ones from a newer car in order to make the old car into a daily driver
and
> to make the mechanics
> more reliable.
> ________
>
> This is very common in the street rod and early truck crowd.  I'd suggest
> you scan copies of Street Rodder and Custom Rodder magazines, as they
seem
> to have an article on this about every other month.  Check Truckin'
> magazine as well, as this is a common thing to do on the early F-100s.
The
> technology has come pretty far in this area.  There are several kits on
the
> market which simply use a new front crossmember welded to your existing
> frame rails - much easier than grafting on a new front subframe.  The
late
> model A-arms then bolt to this new cross member.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:23:46 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Oil Analysis

Where can you get your motor oil analyzed at? Does it really work? Can they
tell you of too much bearing wear?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:29:57 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 9/10/98
 11:<BR06:<BR27 PM Central Daylight Ti, CBarnhart1@aol.com writes:

> Important to get into this in the safest, easiest manner with an Olds
engine.

Barney,

I think you just said that Olds engine was first priority, safe/easy second
:-)

OK, go for it. If the Chevy and Ford guys can do it, so can you.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:08:35 -0500
From: bloom@mail.gorilla.net
Subject: Re: Setting up a OLDS website

Hello Shawn,
 My name is Fred and I'm a Old's list member also. I read your message to
Jeff about downloading
Frontpage 98. I would be interested in testing this software myself if you
were willing to help.
Fred
At 12:46 AM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Jeff,
>
>I can help you out with a copy of Frontpage 98, free of charge...You could
>download it from my machine as a FTP site...Let me know and we can set it
>up...
>
>Shawn
>
>
>
>At 03:14 PM 9/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm looking for some advice.
>>
>>My name is Jeff Zeilmann (OCA# 029185) and you may have seen me on and off
>>the Olds list site now for a couple years.  I have been asked by my local
>>Olds club (the St. Louis Archway Olds club) to look into setting up a web
>>site for our local chapter.  I have just begun looking into it, so I am
wide
>>open for suggestions.  I have never created a web site before, so I am a
>>novice in this field.  I am working at getting a current copy of MS
>>Frontpage, and that should be good start, but I sure could use any advice
>>you may have on getting a relatively inexpensive web site started and
>>maintaining it going forward.  I have a great deal of technical experience,
>>so I'm sure that I will have no problem catching on to what it will take (I
>>have been  a Network administrator for AT&T, Lucent Technologies, IBM, and
>>currently I work as a consultant for a company called Datanomics supporting
>>Philips Consumer Communications).
>>
>>Please let me know what steps to take in order to get our club into the
90's
>>(before the 90's are over :-)
>>
>>Thanks a bunch,
>>
>>
>>Jeff Zeilmann
>>  ^
>>/ | \
>>| | |
>>|/|\|
>>\ | /
>>  |
>>SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
>>'68 Cutlass Supreme
>>'69 Cutlass S Convertible
>>'69 4-4-2
>>
>Shawn
>1984 Cutlass Supreme
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:20:52 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil Analysis

In a message dated 98-09-11 01:07:50 EDT, you write:

<< Where can you get your motor oil analyzed at? Does it really work? Can they
 tell you of too much bearing wear?
 Pettrix@prodigy.net
  >>
     The Army does this on ALL of their HMMVS. They do transmission and engine
oil. They must be pretty confident in it, as they do it quite often. Done by
civilian labs. However, I would think that since they are all the same
vehicles, metallic compounds/alloys specific to THOSE vehicles, and THOSE
parts, would only be differentiated, if the original metal composition(like a
bearing) was known. Since all the vehicles use the same engine/transmission
(or the two different versions are known by the lab) it is possible for the
labs to know what part each particle comes from.    Dorian

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:26:49 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Setting up a OLDS website

Now, just to be clear...I PERSONALLY don't care if you do this, I
PERSONALLY havn't paid for a single piece of software in the last 5 years.
But broadcasting messages like this...

At 12:08 AM 9/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Shawn,
> My name is Fred and I'm a Old's list member also. I read your message to
>Jeff about downloading
>Frontpage 98. I would be interested in testing this software myself if you
>were willing to help.
>Fred
>At 12:46 AM 9/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Jeff,
>>
>>I can help you out with a copy of Frontpage 98, free of charge...You could
>>download it from my machine as a FTP site...Let me know and we can set it
>>up...
>>
>>Shawn

...is like driving 90 mph in front of a police station with a bullhorn
playing "March of the Piggies" and a big banner trailed behind the car that
says "Arrest me please".

Do you KNOW that nobody on this list works for/knows someone who works
for/is the CEO of Microsoft?
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:46:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Un$*bbing for a while

Hi Everyone!

Another semester from h#!! has begun and I will have to uns*b for a while.
You may email me privately at this address, I will still check my email
about twice a week. :( I miss you guys already. Whaaaa!

I hope you all had a great and safe Labor Day weekend, be careful out
there and I will res#b in December.

Take care, and best wishes to all,

Kim, Psychopathology is driving me nuts...;)
Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)
kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu
Dallas, Texas
Member OCA & NTOC

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:17:50 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: assembly manual

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just a few
> sets for the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the
> complete set for "A" body.
>
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> _______________
>
> So Mark, are you doing this just to torment us, or do you think there's a
> way to get your friend to run additional sets?
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

	Well........ I talked to him yesterday about it and he's going to see
if he has any more at home................... I let you know.
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>


            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:23:04 -0700
From: "Dieter R Schafer" <dieter@3-cities.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk...how to do it?

AOL  Are you kidding me! I would never use any thing but a local sever my
self!
 Money into my local ecomany  is the way I think of it!
Dieter R. Schafer
77 Olds Toronado, Owner
ICQ # 5180073 Or ICQ # 15373222

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:19:15 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

Just for everybodies info, we run a heavily ported 5hp Briggs and Stratton on
our Jr. Dragster.  We even installed a much larger intake valve.  The exhaust
side has been left stock as it is too large to begin with.  However, some of
the guys running large bore and stroke engines (+.140 bore and 1/2 inch extra
stroke) do port both intake and exhaust.  Considering the poor intake ports on
most lawn mower engines, this would be a simple and effective improvement for
a stocker mowing grass.  Now if we could just get  SSII's on the lawn tractor.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:59:15 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

In a message dated 9/11/98
 2:<BR28:<BR03 AM Central Daylight Tim, realtorjohn@sprynet.com writes:

> Joe, one may want to check out Art Morrison Ent. @ www.artmorrison.com
>  for complete chassis. He offers M*st*ng II, Custom or strut front
>  suspension with 4 Bar, 4 link or ? rears in kit or welded form for all
>  kinds of old cars + custom set-ups.

Rjohn,

I'm Don (the guy who asked) not Joe, and thanks for the Morrison ref. His
website looks as if he is the high priced spread, but I will check with him
before I start the project.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:28:10 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Engine number vs year

Having spotted a usable late-40s Ch*vy (YUK, sorry, haven't found an olds yet)
in a vacant lot, I'd like to know how I might find the model year. I recorded
the engine number (on the front left side of the head, 6 cyl) and it is:
5836848
GM16

I think there might be a website with these listings, but I can't find it. Can
anyone help?

Cheers/Don Carron
Who is still hoping to find an Olds Sedanette

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:39:59 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: RE: Brake shoe Q. (LONGISH)

Hello again!

  Having done the rear brakes on my '84 & '86 several times, I became
intimately
familiar with them.  Some of the info may be patently obvious, but I
will include it for novice/completeness-sake.  If you kill yourself or
someone else as the result of this advice, be forwarned -- I'm no
mechanic.  Consult a properly qualified technician or brake shop if you
have any questions or are unsure of your ability to work on your brakes.
(blah, blah, blah... :) )

  Having the parking brake on while backing up or going forward will
make your rear brakes engage.  If you were able to move the car with the
brake fully on, the cable is probably out of adjustment.  One side could
also have been dragging more than the other which would help explain the
"cup" of brake dust you found.  You would probobly do well to re-adjust
your parking brake cable.  With the parking brake on and backing up, it
is possible that the adjuster assembly expanded too far on one side
(because the shoes were already expanded outwards against the drum by
the parking brake cable) causing your brakes to drag.  A parking brake
cable left on a couple of notches may also do this (cause a slight
dragging).  I emphasize that you should not be able to move your car in
reverse if the parking brake cable is adjusted properly. NOPE, I haven't
had to adjust the cable on any of my cars yet, so consult the shop
manual for that procedure.  However, I have done the rear brakes and
hence the adjuster assembly several times, so read on for some "care and
feeding" tips.

  The brakes do get adjusted during braking when the car backs up.  You
will notice a "star wheel" between the bottom of the two rear shoes. The
star wheel is turned by a plate which mates with the flanges on the star
wheel, but only while braking in reverse.  Note the design and play with
it to get the idea.  It's usually handy to use a screwdriver to close or
shorten the adjuster assembly.

   When I take the rear brakes apart, I ALWAYS disassemble, clean, and
lubricate the adjuster assembly. An old toothbrush and some "parts
cleaner gasoline" work great!  The gas has evaported long before you put
the parts back in, so there is no risk of fire, etc.  The short end of
the adjuster assembly has a cap which slides off; clean this and then
lubricate with some lithium/white grease; do the same with the threaded
end on the long side (un-thread, clean, & lubricate the threads along
its entire length).  If rusty, feel free to use some steel wool or wire
brush to clean the threads well.  The LH & RH sides are threaded the
opposite of each other, so don't get them mixed up.  Once the entire
assembly moves freely, put it back together; if the assembly does not
move freely after your best efforts at cleaning, just buy new ones.
They are well-worth it and less than $10.00 each.  I believe I also got
all new shoe springs and retainer springs and pins as well in this kit.

    Another good place to lubricate is the contact points of the backing
plate -- where the brake shoe sides contact the plate; just don't get
any grease on the face of the shoes.  This helps since the shoe assembly
does move back and forth on the backing plate under the forces of
braking.

    Proper re-assembly is critical to adjuster effectiveness.  Expand
the adjuster until you can barely place the drums back on over the shoes
BY HAND.  You will hear a metallic screech as the pads slide over the
drums as you force/push them on.  Move the drum around on the shoes; it
should not rattle.  If it does rattle, take the drum back off and expand
the adjuster some more.  This ensures you have good shoe contact with
the drums.  Once the drums are "sufficiently tight" and you are back on
the road, the final step is to back up several times in reverse to about
20MPH.  Step firmly on the brakes, just keeping them from locking up.
This gives you maximum rear adjustment.  You cannot over-tighten your
shoes this way.
The adjuster tab will simply pop over the star wheel when fully
adjusted.  Do this periodically to make sure your shoes maintain proper
contact with your drums and wear evenly.

Hope the info helps.

Happly Oldsmobiling!

Bruce D. Brumm
bdbrumm@ldmtech.com
Network & Systems Administrator

'86 Cutlass Salon (307-Y, t-tops, bucket seates, etc.)
'84 Cutlass Supreme (307-Y, rusty, stripped, gone to the junkyard!
(snif!))



- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Lentz [mailto:tlentz@ior.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:44 PM
To: Oldsmobile List
Subject: Brake shoe Q.

Anyone familiar with how the self-adjusting brake mechanism works on
G-body's?

Recently the right rear brake was grabbing on my '84 H/O, so I took it
apart today to check it out.  Other than almost a cup of brake dust
(egad!) everything looked fine.

<snip>

Don't the brakes get "adjusted" every time you step on the brake in
reverse?  If so, about a week ago I accidentally left the parking brake
on and backed up about 30 feet.  Could my brakes have simply been
over-adjusted and too tight?

Thanks!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:01:13 EDT
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: '68 Door & Deck Lid Questions

Hi to all,
I was wondering how much a near mint-rust free '68 Cutlass/442 pass. door &
deck lid are worth? What should I expect pay for them?  Any help will be
appreciated.
Thank you!
Leigh Tenenholtz
'68 Cutlass S Convert

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:24:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 15th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  My wife and I again are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sunday, Sept 13, 1998.   This is a
successful and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for
this year.  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking
lot, which is right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully
visible to thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also
conveniently located next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront
Landing, and right next door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of
our proud sponsors).  We had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A
total of well over 100 cars were on display.  This year we anticipate the
largest turnout ever.


I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  If you go to the show, make sure you come by and say hi.  I will be
at either of two places, the DJ table, or near my car (Blue 1969 4-4-2 with
factory white racing stripes on the hood)  Also, food and beverages will be
available.

Here is the information:
SUNDAY, Sept. 13, 1998, 8am-4pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile
Funshow.  Car Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The
Archway Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or
classic Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles
Banquet center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and
trophies given away in 16 categories.  Cruise by and check out the show
while the DJ plays the golden Oldies.  For more information call John
Palmberger (314)-355-4864 or Jeff Zeilmann (314) 939-4613.

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Best
Western (the Hotel that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).  There are 3
hotels within one block of the show, and nearly a dozen within a one mile
radius of the show.

ps. The '69 4-4-2 will definitely be there (just got the carb rebuilt!)
  .
/ | \
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|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:23:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 403 motor

The '72 350, if it is truly a good-running motor, might be simpler/easier
to install. Certainly it seems cheaper than the 403. I have nothing
against 403s either, though Dr. Bob's litany of head gasket replacments
makes me wonder about their design. The '78 403 would have a bunch of
emissions stuff on it with vacuum control and EGR, all of which you would
either need to totally transplant or totally remove. Otherwise I think
you might have a rough-running motor. For simplicity's sake I think I'd
go with the 350 and hold out for a 455 later on.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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