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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, August 18 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1435



Re: clock woes
RE: clock woes
Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)
RE: clock woes
Valvetrains, Pushrods
Re: Don't blame me...,and 442 parts needed
Re: 442 Wheel Opinion
Re: Valve Adjustment Question
Re: clock woes
Re: engine build questions!!! LONG - Now 750cfm carb on 350
'68 442 Post FS
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
66 olds tripower 4sale
Re: Octane Question
RE: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
350 / 350 Cutlass ... faster than usual ...  Y?
RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed
Re: clock woes
Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights
What list is this again???
Re: Bad message
RE: Registry
RE: 350 / 350 Cutlass ... faster than usual ...  Y?
unknown engine in '65 cutlass
RE: unknown engine in '65 cutlass
RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s
'85-'87 442
442 governor
"Brother's"  nightmare
RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed
RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s
Re: unknown engine in '65 cutlass
RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed
Looking for Carb
Re: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)
Re: "Brother's"  nightmare
Re: thoughts on "The Parts Place"
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: Don't blame me...,and 442 parts needed
Re: Valve Adjustment Question
color for 68 valve covers?
RE: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)
Re: Octane Question
Re: List Index
Re: color for 68 valve covers?
Re: 442 Wheel Opinion
Re: "Brother's"  nightmare
Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
Re: [Fwd: "Brother's" nightmare]
SPAM: RE: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: clock woes

  Did you check the fuse?  You may have blown it when you were
connecting one of the wires.  I did this when I was installing my
stereo.  I didn't think to look at the fuse and spent about an hour
and a half checking all of the connections.  Since then, The fuses are
the first thing that I check if something goes.  Hope this helps.

Stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe




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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:55:23 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: clock woes

> Do you know if the clock is supposed to be good?  What about the light
> bulb, burned out maybe?  Just throwing out ideas.

There wasn't any guarantee on the clock, and it came out of a car that had
been sitting for years, so I'm not really suprised that the clock doesn't
work.  But I AM suprised that the lights don't work.  There's two grey wires
going into the clock, which leads me to believe that there are two lights
inside.  And how often do dash lights burn out?  Not very often.  That's
what  leads me to believe that something else is wrong.  But oh well.  I'll
figure it out when I get time.  I was just b*tching, and I'm done now. :)

Blaine

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:58:54 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Balancing (was: 350 questions)

In a message dated 8/18/98 0:11:44 AM EST, shang@wans.net writes:

<<
 If I am not telling tall tales, I believe all Olds balancers are the
 same with the exception of the W-31 balancer which is noticeably
 thicker.

 Stephen Hoover
 Dallas, Texas
 '70 Supreme >>

The other one would be the 260 balancer, which is noticably (guess what)
thinner.  I'm not sure but I thought there were a few types of balancers out
there...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:09:10 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: clock woes

>   Did you check the fuse?

Yeah, I actually did blow it when I was feeding the wire up through the
dash.  I knew I should disconnect the battery first, but I was too lazy.
But I replaced the fuse and it still doesn't work.  I know the power is
good, because I spliced back into it to power the radio again.  The radio
works fine.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:13:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Valvetrains, Pushrods

Steve Reed wrote:
	I'm curious about the adjustable pushrods, what would the benefit be?
 What would the recommended method of valve adjustment be with these
and my roller tip rockers?
	

Steve:
     You don't need adjustable pushrods if you have adjustable rocker
arms!




==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:14:49 EDT
From: <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me...,and 442 parts needed

krzy4evr@usit.net:  I totally agree with you as to your statements and
opinions. I'm in the military and for what he did I would be out looking for a
job. with alot less evidence. On your side here now to the olds content Just
picked up a 69 442 sports coupe (2dr post car) need a drivers fender and a
passenger quarter. I'ts a matching numbers car w/ 400 t-400 and ac and 391
posi paid 1500 for it and a running 69 post C/S. so if any one needs parts let
me know and i'll get back with you.

Thanks Chris Sommerville
69 442
70 442
70 W 31 (parts car had tree fall through w25 hood, thrashed, and window)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:58:11 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 442 Wheel Opinion

you could have a set of ssII converted at stockton wheel or a centerline
autodrag if avail in 16 a weld prostar also if avail in 16 otherwise dont
know of another styl that works with the 69 lines...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: flynt myrick <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:37 AM
Subject: 442 Wheel Opinion


>List members,
> I need your opinions and or ideas on replacement wheels for my 1969 442
>convertible.  The tires are dry rotted and need to be replaced.  The car
>has only one of the original wheels(on the spare).  It is a super stock
>II(is this the correct name?).  I want to have a larger tire than the 14
>inch now on the car.  Would you try to find a set of 15 inch super stock
>II wheels or what about an after market 16 inch wheel?  Are reproduction
>16 inch super stock II wheels available?  What aftermarket 16 inch wheel
>would compliment the styling of a 1969 442?
> I need some ideas.  Thanks for your help.
>
>Flynt Myrick
>f_myrick@hotmail.com
>http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:17:58 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment Question

In a message dated 8/18/98 11:35:40 AM EST, sreed@cp.varco.com writes:

<< 	I'm trying to get as much info as I can before I dive back into
 the engine.  I'm going to remove the Torker ][ manifold  & steel gasket
 and replace it with a dual plane manifold, as well as install a Toronado
 oil pan.
 	I've acquired A LOT of knowledge from this list and appreciate
 everyone who's helped me out, Thanx!

 -Steve Reed >>

If you are installing the new oil pan (from a toro), make sure you adjust your
pick-up to benefit from this also.  I think it is a different oil pump that
has a longer pick-up tube (I'm betting this is the difference) you will need
to use.  The pick up should be fairly close to the bottom of the pan.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:01:55 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: clock woes

try conecting a seperate ground wire to the clock mounting screw and then to
the sheet metal in the dash this worked when the dash lights in my 442 went
crazy...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: B. Sanders <blaines@strata3d.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: clock woes


>
>> Do you know if the clock is supposed to be good?  What about the light
>> bulb, burned out maybe?  Just throwing out ideas.
>
>There wasn't any guarantee on the clock, and it came out of a car that had
>been sitting for years, so I'm not really suprised that the clock doesn't
>work.  But I AM suprised that the lights don't work.  There's two grey
wires
>going into the clock, which leads me to believe that there are two lights
>inside.  And how often do dash lights burn out?  Not very often.  That's
>what  leads me to believe that something else is wrong.  But oh well.  I'll
>figure it out when I get time.  I was just b*tching, and I'm done now. :)
>
>Blaine
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:03:31 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: engine build questions!!! LONG - Now 750cfm carb on 350

its car craft aka chevy craft camaro craft mustang craft etc the dont have
very many issues with anything other than chevy and ford
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile Digest' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 9:14 AM
Subject: re: engine build questions!!! LONG - Now 750cfm carb on 350


>Wasn't it Camaro Craft?
Wasn't Camaro Craft because I've never heard of or seen that magazine.

>The real question, of course, is what is your carb _really_ flowing?  A
>carb labled 750 cfm isn't necessarily flowing that much, especially on a
>350 at 6000 rpm.  As Mike Rothe and others have pointed out, the carb by
>itself is only a part of a system, and that system must be matched for
>optimum performance.  In addition, is your objective to build max W.O.T.
>horsepower at the expense of part-throttle driveability?  If so, you
>definitely want the bigger carb.

I'm not sure what exactly it's flowing for cfm but GM spent a lot of $ on
time and developing the ZZ series of create engines and that is what they
recommend for full horsepower and torque.  I replaced the "smaller" roller
cam with GM's largest off-road roller cam (234/242 duration .539/.558 lift).
I have the second to lightest spring in the secondaries.  The 4bbl opens up
about 1,400 rpm.  No dogging here!  The tires just smolder at will.  I can
spin the tires forever flooring it right off idle.  I put on some sticky
tires that barely spin and the car picks up at least 8 tenths.  Still
doesn't bog at all.  Part throttle response is awsome.  I can spin the tires
in 2rd gear at ¼  throttle and 3rd gear roll on full throttle.  I guess it
is one of those good small block combinations that really work! :-)  The
engine has very flat torque curve of 400 lb/ft or more from 1,800 - 6,200
rpm.  I think the perfectly matched combination of roller cam, aluminum high
velocity swirl port heads with small valves, dual plane intake, 10:1
compression, light weight internals, and balancing have the most to do with
it.  I wonder how a 350 Olds would compare being built similar??

My objective was to have the most amount of torque possible from off idle to
6,200 with only 350 c.i. and still be perfectly streetable and reliable.  I
think that goal was met even using a 750 cfm carb.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com <mailto:chads@pcsco.com>
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
                          ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe, ATR
                          Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:44:26 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: '68 442 Post FS

I've decided to put my '68 442 Post coupe up for sale.  It's a project car
and needs some work.  Here's my best description:

It was originally red with white vinyl top.  Vinyl top is gone, and car is
mostly in grey primer.  The rear quarter on driver's side is rusted.  I have
a new quarter and outer wheelhouse to repair it with.  It has the original
400/TH400 drivetrain.  Motor runs, but blows a lot of smoke.  The tranny
probably could use a rebuild.  The brakes need rebuilt.  Options include:

- - Power Steering
- - Power Brakes
- - White Bucket interior w/Tilt column shift (no console)
- - Power drivers seat, reclining passenger seat
- - Rear defrost
- - Interior lighting package
- - 8-track
- - A/C (not working & probably missing parts)
- - 3:55 (?) posi
- - dual exhaust w/cutout bumper

Car also came with Rally Pack gauges, but they were removed by previous
owner.  Previous owner now has an extra set that he's willing to sell to me.
Interior needs redone.  Carpet is fine, but everything else needs redone.
The trunk lock has been punched out, but car comes with good deck lid.  Car
also has dented drivers door, but comes with pristine replacement door.  The
engine wiring  has been hacked up a little, but everything works if I
remember right.  Also needs a correct 4-core radiator.  There's just a puny
2-core radiator there now.  This is a good restorable car, and I won't part
it out.  I'm into it at least $1800 (car & parts), so make me an offer.  The
guy I bought it from wants to buy it back, but I'm not sure he needs it (he
already has a '69 442, a '68 H/O, and a '68 Cutlass), so I'll sell it to the
highest bidder.  Car is located in Southern Utah (St. George).

Please reply to me privately if interested.

Thanks,
Blaine

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:06:31 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

In a message dated 8/17/98 10:54:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
oldsctls67@home.com writes:

<< > John Gill wrote:  nothing...
 >
 > ...which is probably best, since it was decided long ago to keep politics
off
 > this list.  However, Ol' Bill still has my support...  Seems like he gets
it a
 > ~lot~ more than I do!  ;)  Seems like this whole ordeal would have been
averted
 > if Monica had just kept her mouth shut.....  :)
 >
 How bout if YOUR President kept his thing in his pants, and then saved
 the taxpayers millions by telling the truth about it the first time... >>

Sorry, but I have to get into this...  Ok, he is the president, so we have to
make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah right), but was really was
the actual crime committed?  You can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp, so it's
just that he's the pres, right?

Joe

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:57:34 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: 66 olds tripower 4sale

make me an offer, i have carbs aircleaners etc. was on my 74 455 about 4 years
ago.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:02:32 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Octane Question

Steve:

I noticed that also when traveling out west. Although my vehicle ran
fine on the low octane stuff.
During this past week while driving to Florida the price of gas got very
cheap.
I think I found the all time low price of 70.9 for regular unleaded in
Spartanburg S.C.
(olds content) My Delta was the best looking Olds I saw during my round
trip of 2900 miles. But I sure did enjoy the looks it got.

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:01:54 -0500
From: IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com
Subject: RE: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

I've been under the impression that adultery is grounds for
a divorce but not illegal as long as it is between consenting
adults of age and there is no monetary compensation involved!
<insert Olds-related comment here>

Jeff Cote

> ----------
> From: 	JCRASH7@aol.com[SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 17, 1998 11:06 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
>
> Sorry, but I have to get into this...  Ok, he is the president, so we have
> to
> make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah right), but was really
> was
> the actual crime committed?  You can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp, so
> it's
> just that he's the pres, right?
>
> Joe
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:02:45 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

This is not true. Adultery is a jailible offence in Washington D.C.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)



> You can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp, so it's
>just that he's the pres, right?
>
>Joe



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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:07:46 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: 350 / 350 Cutlass ... faster than usual ...  Y?

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Everyone ought to check out Chris's last post

Chris >>>>> I am awe-struck=20
What a job you did on the 69 W-31 trans research.
How about doing the research on my PhD.

Seriously ... I have a J coded th350 in my 69 Cutlass.
# 5 heads ... the car runs like a gazelle on jalapinos.

Now how do I know (with relative certainty) what engine I have.
Eng Now has Edlebrock intake, carb 600cfm,  2.5 headers and=20
pipes.  Everything else is stock

I've owned 3 69 Cutlasses .. this one goes way too fast for reg 69 ... =
I'd like to know why.

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:04:14 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed

Joe,

Probably not want you wanted to hear, but I guess something is better
than nothing. :)   Anyway,
I believe Year One has the correct GM black for these.  Going from
memory, it might be called GM reconditioning black or something close,
in a quart container.
I also seem to remember someone writing into MCR and asking about
eggshell black, but the thing is I don't remember exactly what the
answer was or which issue, possibly one from the last two years.

I've painted a core support for my 71 Skylark using Eastwoods Under Hood
Black.  I know it comes in aerosols and I believe quart containers for
spraying.

Also what about trying OEM Paints, http://www.oempaints.com  I believe
is their website.

Good Luck and Happy Hunting and if I stumble upon that issue of MCR I'll
let you know.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>
> Next is the eggshell finish black paint used in the interior, on the
metal
> panels at the base of the windshield and the back window.  They had no
clue on
> this in _any_ type of paint.
>
> Finally, I need black in the correct level of "flatness" for the
firewall.
> One place suggested wood stove paint.  Another suggested the spray cans
from
> Trak Auto.  While that may be a last resort, I'd like to do a better job
than
> that.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:05:25 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: clock woes

> But I AM suprised that the lights don't work.  There's two grey
> wires going into the clock, which leads me to believe that there
> are two lights inside.

I don't know what year we're talking about here ('69? That would
have two bulbs...) but the lights usually aren't _inside_ but
simply clipped into the holes on the back. The clock grounds
through its metal case. If it's not tightened down firmly to a
metal backing, it won't work and it won't light up. Just run a
jumper wire from under the head of one screw to a known ground.

Given the history of this thing, it sounds like it's not likely
to run, but it should at least light up at that point. Fog a
little WD-40 (a _little_ bit) through the backlighting holes
and it might come back to life.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:10:16 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights

Bin ggggg oooooooo

Yessir . Thai is exactly what fixed the problem.
Even when I checked it with multi-meter, it was
showing continuity ... but ah zo...

Replaced headlight switch and all is wellKen Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:07:05 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: What list is this again???

This is an Oldsmobile list right????????

>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:17:51 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Bad message

The actual message was attatched, here it is:

Hi Steve,

The serial number is, (1 G 3 G R 1 1 9 O H P 3 1 7 3 9 7 ), it is
maroon/maroon, buckets/console, T-Tops, AT, AC, PW, and factory wheels. the
phone number is 330 426-3444, it is at Rollerena Used Cars in Unity Oh., it
might be listed as East Palestine Oh. ice looking car but it was locked and
I
could not check it out inside or under the hood.

Jim Connerly
jdconner@ccia.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:29:31 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Registry

Hmm, I feebly attempted one about a year ago or so and just haven't had
time to pursue it further.  I've contacted Jim McKeague about helping
him out with his W-Machine registry.  I wonder how far along he is, Jim
have you gotten anywhere?  I've still got that list of W-31s for you,
just need to get it to you.
Not only would I be interested in the same things as Mr. Schinkel, but
remember 3-spd were available.  Now that would be a unique car.  I
wonder how many are left?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>
> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:14:11 -0400
> From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
> Subject: Registry
>
> I know there is someone on this list that can help me and others who are
> interested in a W-31 registry.
> How do I go about starting or forming one.
>
> All of us who have W-31's seem quite curious how many are out there, and
> how many are either automatic or 4 gear.
> I personally would like to know how many 70 W-31 4 gears were made and
how
> many are still left
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:42:58 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 350 / 350 Cutlass ... faster than usual ...  Y?

>Everyone ought to check out Chris's last post
>Chris >>>>> I am awe-struck
>What a job you did on the 69 W-31 trans research.
Well thanks Ken.  But a good portion of that last post was from Joe P.
so let's give him some credit also.

>How about doing the research on my PhD.
Umm, I don't know about that .... if you're trying for it in Oldsmobiles
then maybe (hmmm Dr. Oldsmobile ... that has a nice ring to it  ;-)
>
>Seriously ... I have a J coded th350 in my 69 Cutlass.
># 5 heads ... the car runs like a gazelle on jalapinos.
>
>Now how do I know (with relative certainty) what engine I have.
>Eng Now has Edlebrock intake, carb 600cfm,  2.5 headers and
>pipes.  Everything else is stock
Well, I was assuming from your subject you've got a 350. The vin
stamping should be on the drivers side right below the head by the #1
cylinder.  Since you've got #5 heads you've got the 350.
>
>I've owned 3 69 Cutlasses .. this one goes way too fast for reg 69 ... I'd
>like to know why.
Why huh, well maybe it's tuned up.  better rear end gear, running on all
8 cyl, maybe it's a W-31, nitrous, supercharged ... don't know, there
are potentially many reasons why it runs like a gazelle on jalapenos

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny work
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 14:59 EDT
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: unknown engine in '65 cutlass

All,

Stopped to look at '65 Cutlass Holiday Coupe at lunch today. (Ocean
Mist, Karl :) )

I could not identify the engine.  Distributer in front and mounted
at kind of a 45 degree angle, oil fill in driver's side rocker arm cover,
color sort of a blueish green in color.

Everything else about the car was orig. and I got to thinking after I left,
maybe I was looking at a V-6.  Didn't Olds put a V-6 in some of the
Cutlii around this time?  Do the details I described fit the V-6
description?

What do you think?

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:07:08 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: unknown engine in '65 cutlass

>
>I could not identify the engine.  Distributer in front and mounted
>at kind of a 45 degree angle, oil fill in driver's side rocker arm cover,
>color sort of a blueish green in color.

Sounds like a Buick engine to me

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:05:20 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s

Chris,

A couple more data points.

First, the black and white Dr. Olds ads from early in the model year do not
list the TH350 (for example, the eight page W-machines brochure does not
list it), but some one page magazine ads from the March-April time frame
_do_ list the TH350.  Someone on the list also pointed out that there was a
March 69 Car Life road test of a TH350-equipped W-31, with a column
shifter, no less!  My understanding is that monthly magazines in that time
frame had about a three month lead time from article to issue, so if the
road test came out im March, they probably ran the test in the late
December time frame.

It would be interesting to find the earliest build date of an AT-equipped
69 W-31 on the list.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:09:22 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '85-'87 442

Message text written by Mike Rothe
>Hmmm.  You PROBABLY should have them.  Can't say for sure.  Depends on
what "available" seat was in the Salon.  I only say this because my 85
442 came standard with recliners, a GK47 also, by the way.  My 87 GR11
442 came with the standard seats, but I think you could have got
recliners as an option, but I can't recall.  I didn't think about it at
the time, and well, non-recliners is what I got.  Hated that.  I got an
86 brochure around here somewhere.<

The '85 and '86 442s were an option package on the Salon.  The '87 was an
option on the base Supreme.  My '87 was actually approx. $500 less than a
comparable '86.

The Salon had the following standard which was not avaialable on the '87
442: reclining bucket seats ('87 was non-reclining), full velour upper door
panels with long door pull strap ('87 was partial vinyl with semoi-vertical
small pull strap), wide chrome strip at top of door skin/bottom of window
('87 has very narrow chrome strip), woodgrain dash/console inserts - not
unique to Salon ('87 has brushed aluminum).  Any other differences???

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:15:27 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 442 governor

Message text written by Greg
>I can't say why your car won't go over 105 but the tranny is not the
limiting factor.  In fact I've never heard of any G-body having a speed
limiter, did they have them?
<

The '85 to '87 442s I don't believe had a speed limiter (usually only on
fuel injected cars) but it probably won't go much faster due to horsepower
constraints, aerodynamic drag, and gearing.  My '87 tops out at 108 in O.D.
- - runs out of revs/horsepower for the air drag.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:15:44 EDT
From: <BuchD@aol.com>
Subject: "Brother's"  nightmare

Hey, guys!

Just thought i'd share a story about Brother's automotive with you all.  I
ordered parts from them over a month ago, and still havent received them.
They make excuse after excuse when i call, UPS lost it, etc.
If they screwed up, that's fine , just DONT LIE ABOUT IT!  I hope no one else
has a problem with them.  Ive ordered lots of parts from lots of different
places, and never had this much trouble. By the way - they charge you for
backordered parts!

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:15:13 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed

I believe Year One has the correct GM black for these.  Going from
memory, it might be called GM reconditioning black or something close,
in a quart container.
I also seem to remember someone writing into MCR and asking about
eggshell black, but the thing is I don't remember exactly what the
answer was or which issue, possibly one from the last two years.
________________

Thanks, Chris.  Naturally, I thumbed through the Year One catalog _after_
sending that post.  They also have the interior laquer, which I  assume is
the "eggshell" finish paint, though they advertise it as useable on hard
plastic trim as well as metal.  Now that you mention it, I also remember
the bit in MCR.  I'll be searching tonight.  Wouldn't it be nice if these
magazines had a searchable index on line.  Hot Rod used to do an annual
article index in their Dec issue back in the 60s.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:26:49 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Final (?) Word on AT 69 W-31s

>_do_ list the TH350.  Someone on the list also pointed out that there was a
>March 69 Car Life road test of a TH350-equipped W-31, with a column
>shifter, no less!  My understanding is that monthly magazines in that time
Saw that post.  Kerry Kroger ~had~ one.  Key word ~had~.  Sorry Kerry.
(snip from his post)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:32:31 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Auto W-cars

car life did a road test in 69 auto column shifted w-31 I used to own a
69
column shifted th350 havin' four wheel drum brake equipped
aztec gold with black stripes black vinyl top wearing W-31 may it rest
in
piece. a moment of silence please......kk
(end of his post)
I haven't looked at my brochures lately (maybe I should) but I'll take
your word for it.  Roughly half of my documentation (at least I thought
it was half, maybe more like 1/3) claims AT availability in 69 W-31.  I
have a few mag articles from the era, I'll dig those out and see.

>It would be interesting to find the earliest build date of an AT-equipped
>69 W-31 on the list.
AT-equipped ?!?! .... how about just ~any~ 69 W-31.  I do know there
have been a couple on the list.  Frank Iezzi (sp?) from Columbus, OH
(who was on the list before) has one, but I believe his is a 4sp.  FYI,
black ext as I remember him saying he was just getting it painted, but
this was at least 1-2 yrs ago.  But saw his email recently, probably in
442.com classifieds
kiss??@aol.com (something like kiss74@aol.com, don't recall) claimed to
have a 69 W-31 also.  He always put in his sig, you don't need a big
block you just need the heads, as he was running C heads.  He hasn't
been on the list in a long while I imagine.
I met an individual in Springfield at Nats who is the orig owner of a 69
W-31, but I don't recall him saying what tranny it has.  Fred LaSavio (I
believe) from Pueblo, CO.  He said he bought it for drag racing.  Was
gonna bring it to Nats, but couldn't get a tow truck at the last minute.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:24:40 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: unknown engine in '65 cutlass

'65 Cutlass Holiday Coupe at lunch today. (Ocean
Mist, Karl :) )

I could not identify the engine.  Distributer in front and mounted
at kind of a 45 degree angle, oil fill in driver's side rocker arm cover,
color sort of a blueish green in color.
_________________

That's the 225 cu in Buford V-6, as installed in 64-65 Olds A-body cars.
My dad bought a 65 F-85 Club Coupe (mit post) with this V-6 and 3 spd on
the column brand new.

Rules of thumb for GM engines:

Front distributor mounted at an angle = Buick engine.
Front distributor mounted straight up and down = Caddy engine.
Back distributor, intake separated from valley cover = Poncho (or 49-64
Olds).
Back distributor, passes through the intake manifold = Chebby
Back distributor, does not pass through the intake manifold = Olds

And before somebody posts it, yes the "Olds" aluminum 215 has an angled
front distributor, because it's really a Buick-designed motor with
Olds-unique heads.


Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:31:57 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: DuPont Paint Info Needed

>plastic trim as well as metal.  Now that you mention it, I also remember
>the bit in MCR.  I'll be searching tonight.  Wouldn't it be nice if these
>magazines had a searchable index on line.  Hot Rod used to do an annual

I've often wondered about the index myself.  Would be nice not to have
to search through schloads of mags searching for that one vital piece of
info that is holding one up from finishing/fixing their car.  Then
getting sidetracked by reading other articles and looking at pictures
and before ya know it an hour has gone by and you still haven't found
what you're looking for.  Not that I've done that or anything :-)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:35:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for Carb

I'm looking for a decent, rebuildable Q-jet #7040250 or #7041250.
Please respond privately with details.

TIA


==
Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
1553 Read Road
Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
(608) 756-4352

'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 12:33:20 -0700
From: Mike Lias <mlias@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)

>	I got the recliners on my 86 442. Driver AND passenger side. Now I 
got a
>question. My seatbacks are kindda leaning towards the back on the console
>side of both buckets. Driver side being most noticed. It's like someone
>grabbed on to their corners and pulled back on the seats. Now, I've seen
>this on other G-Body Cutli and was wondering if this is from normal wear and
>tear. Anybody else has this condition?
>
>Angel Castrodad
>angleki@prtc.net
>'86 442-----> 307 H.O. (5A), TH-350 (not my fault,previous owner), 3.73
>rear......Ooooh, T-tops !!!!
>
>

Yeah, I got the same problem on my '86 442. If you look at the drivers
seat from the front and rear, the seat is kinda tilted. I guess it is
normal wear and tear. And I got mine from the original owner earlier this
year, and he was a BIG and WIDE man.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:55:53 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: "Brother's"  nightmare

>

Yea. I had trouble getting stuff from them too. They found my phone order in a
pile of stuff that was to be shipped. Every one was sent but my parts...well,
that's what I was told anyway. The parts finally came soon after my, "Where's 
my
parts!" call. I was very satisfied with the product, but not with the service.

D-man

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:11:33 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: thoughts on "The Parts Place"

are they on the internet

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:12:33 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

Where's G. Gordon Liddy when we need him?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:14:19 EDT
From: <MNManiac@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

In a message dated 98-08-17 23:50:45 EDT, you write:

> > John Gill wrote:  nothing...
>  >
>  > ...which is probably best, since it was decided long ago to keep politics
> off
>  > this list.  However, Ol' Bill still has my support...  Seems like he gets
> it a
>  > ~lot~ more than I do!  ;)  Seems like this whole ordeal would have been
> averted
>  > if Monica had just kept her mouth shut.....  :)
>  >
>  How bout if YOUR President kept his thing in his pants, and then saved
>  the taxpayers millions by telling the truth about it the first time...

But Billy Boy says he was "legally correct" in his deposition at the Paula
Jones trial.

Sure.  Let the Impeachment Committee decide.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:11:53 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me...,and 442 parts needed

Hey chris I am interested in some of your parts
email me at
dickinson@skow.net

oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:

> krzy4evr@usit.net:  I totally agree with you as to your statements and
> opinions. I'm in the military and for what he did I would be out looking for 
a
> job. with alot less evidence. On your side here now to the olds content Just
> picked up a 69 442 sports coupe (2dr post car) need a drivers fender and a
> passenger quarter. I'ts a matching numbers car w/ 400 t-400 and ac and 391
> posi paid 1500 for it and a running 69 post C/S. so if any one needs parts 
let
> me know and i'll get back with you.
>
> Thanks Chris Sommerville
> 69 442
> 70 442
> 70 W 31 (parts car had tree fall through w25 hood, thrashed, and window)

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:28:03 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Valve Adjustment Question

What do you run in the 1/4? I too have the JM-22-25-10 cam and I never ran
at the track till last week and I ran a 12.60 @ 106mph. I believe I can
still tune it to run low 12's. Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Reed, Steve <sreed@cp.varco.com>
> To: 'Olds' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Valve Adjustment Question
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11:34 AM
>
> From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
>
> >    Since then I've used Mondello adjustable pushrods in my 72 W30
> > 455 with great success. Small base circle cam (Mondello 22-25), thick
> > head gaskets, trued heads, valve job, no problem! Just bring each
> > cylinder to TDC, take up the slack, and then unscrew 1 more turn, and
> > tighten the jam nut. Never touched them since. The 72 W30 runs 13.30
> > and has won it's share of races. I'm looking forward to trying the
> > Comp Cams kit or even a set of aluminum roller rockers and screw-in
> > studs for my upcoming bracket car project (If I ever get the time/$$)
> :)
>
> 	I too have the Mondello 22-25 cam in my 455.  I however have
> competition cams roller tip rockers, guideplates and pushrods.  At the
> time I assembled the engine (It's only got an hour on it) I adjusted
> each rocker to zero last while on the base circle of the cam, and then
> went a 1/2 turn more on the rocker locknut.  This is what I have done in
> the past on most every hydraulic lifter engine.
> 	I'm curious about the adjustable pushrods, what would the
> benefit be?  What would the recommended method of valve adjustment be
> with these and my roller tip rockers?
> 	I'm trying to get as much info as I can before I dive back into
> the engine.  I'm going to remove the Torker ][ manifold  & steel gasket
> and replace it with a dual plane manifold, as well as install a Toronado
> oil pan.
> 	I've acquired A LOT of knowledge from this list and appreciate
> everyone who's helped me out, Thanx!
>
> -Steve Reed
> '70 4-4-2 Ragtop
> Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:25:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: color for 68 valve covers?

Hi Guys,

another color question: In what color did the valve covers for the 68 350
of my cutlass originally come? Thanks!

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:29:04 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: RE: 442 buckets (was: G-Body vin# was 84 442)

I also have this problem on my '86 Salon (w/reclining buckets).
The seat frame is probably broken, a well-informed body-man tells me.
I will get it re-welded after I finish purchasing a house.
A very common and very irritating problem with these seats!

Bruce D. Brumm
bdbrumm@ldmtech.com
'86 Salon (307-Y, t-tops, bucket seats, etc...)

Others said...

>	I got the recliners on my 86 442. Driver AND passenger side. Now
I got a
>question. My seatbacks are kindda leaning towards the back on the
console
>side of both buckets. Driver side being most noticed. It's like someone
>grabbed on to their corners and pulled back on the seats. Now, I've
seen
>this on other G-Body Cutli and was wondering if this is from normal
wear and
>tear. Anybody else has this condition?
>
>Yeah, I got the same problem on my '86 442. If you look at the drivers
>seat from the front and rear, the seat is kinda tilted. I guess it is
>normal wear and tear. And I got mine from the original owner earlier
this
>year, and he was a BIG and WIDE man.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:24:07 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Octane Question

I have gas, no idea about the octane, but the wife says it is sometimes
potent.   Wait, wrong gas you say?  Never mind :)

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:43:13 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: List Index

>Listmembers, I am going to make a page that lists all of the listmembers'
websites.  If you
>are reading this and have a website, please email me the url.>

Well, everyone should know this by now but if you don't My website is at:
http://www.cutlass.net  .   Enjoy!

Gib Loudon (a.k.a. "The Rocketman")
1969 Cutlass "S" Holiday Coupe
("Reb Thunder")
Check out Cutlass Net at:
http://www.cutlass.net
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:36:40 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: color for 68 valve covers?

George wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> another color question: In what color did the valve covers for the 68 350
> of my cutlass originally come? Thanks!
>
> George
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------

George,
Same color as the rest of the engine: Gold.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:40:34 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 442 Wheel Opinion

I need your opinions and or ideas on replacement wheels for my 1969 442
convertible.  The tires are dry rotted and need to be replaced.  The car
has only one of the original wheels(on the spare).  It is a super stock
II(is this the correct name?).  I want to have a larger tire than the 14
inch now on the car.  Would you try to find a set of 15 inch super stock
II wheels or what about an after market 16 inch wheel?  Are reproduction
16 inch super stock II wheels available?  What aftermarket 16 inch wheel
would compliment the styling of a 1969 442?
 I need some ideas.  Thanks for your help.

Flynt Myrick
_____________

Flynt,

The easiest upgrade would be for you to use the 15 x 7 SSIII wheels (note
that SSIIIs are simply SSIIs that are painted body color).  Note that there
are two flavors of SSII/III wheels, the 74-earlier with the bolt-on centers
and the 75-up with the snap-in centers.  15 x 7s with the bolt-ons were
only made in 73-74, so they are somewhat hard to find.  The later ones are
much more plentiful, but you'll need four to get the centers to match.

There are aftermarket companies that can modify your wheels, either
widening them or increasing the diameter.  The problems are esthetic, as
chrome trim rings don't exist for either configuration (actually, there
_are_ trim rings available for 15 x 8 wheels).  As a result, if you go
wider than 8" or larger in diameter than 15", you're stuck with either
chroming the wheel or the rim (the 69 H/O look) or running without a trim
ring (the Rallye 350 look).  I've seen Chevy Rally wheels enlarged to 17"
with the rims chromed (see the latest Muscle Car Review) and frankly, they
don't look right.  The center is too small in relation to the rim.  The way
they fabricate these larger rims is to cut the center out of a smaller rim
and weld it onto a new rim.  Both the factory 14" and 15" SSII/III wheels
use the same center stamping and just use different rims.

Aftermarket rim selection is a matter of taste, though I also like the
original Centerlines on a musclecar; I think they look especially good on a
66-67 442 Holiday Coupe.  (FWI, also one of the few cars in the world that
actually looks good with a vinyl top).  The following web page has some
links to a number of wheel and tire vendors, allowing you to see what's out
there:

http://sl.rconcepts.com/links/wheels.html

Be careful of tire selection, as many of the 16 and 17 inch low profile
tires are actually smaller in diameter than the popular BFG 245/60-14s on
may of these A-body cars.  I personally find this size too small anyway, as
they don't fill the wheel wells.  On my 70 I've got 245/60-14s on the front
and 255/60-15s on the back, and I'm looking at larger sizes.  BFG has an
excellent booklet that lists the dimensions of all their T/A lines.  I got
mine at the local Costco warehouse store, but most tire stores that carry
BFGs should have it.

Good Luck

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:46:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: "Brother's"  nightmare

Year One: 1 800 950-9503
Fusick:   (860) 623-1583

Deal with professionals...


At 03:15 PM 8/18/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hey, guys!
>
>Just thought i'd share a story about Brother's automotive with you all.  I
>ordered parts from them over a month ago, and still havent received them.
>They make excuse after excuse when i call, UPS lost it, etc.
>If they screwed up, that's fine , just DONT LIE ABOUT IT!  I hope no one else
>has a problem with them.  Ive ordered lots of parts from lots of different
>places, and never had this much trouble. By the way - they charge you for
>backordered parts!
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:50:56 -0400
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

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Some of you guys are missing the point - he perjured himself. Filthy, dirty,
beanhead, selfish, slutty, rotten sex with Monica is beside the issue that on
top of everything else he's a bloody liar! He's a low-life piece of crap and 
I'm
so not proud to say he's my president. He makes me sick and I can only take
heart in the knowledge that God will take care of his sorry, no good, no
restraint, fat butt.

I feel sorry for Chelsea and all our future children who will be led astray by
our models in the whitehouse. Willy says, let's put this behind us.
Unfortunately, he's done unprecedented amounts of damage and he's leaving a
trail of filth everywhere he goes. We can't put it behind us, we haven't been
given a choice.

God Bless America and Pray Hard

P.S. I don't normally read the Olds stuff because it's my husband's - but I
couldn't help it when I saw the messages. Sorry Honey!

Olds' Wife

IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com wrote:

> I've been under the impression that adultery is grounds for
> a divorce but not illegal as long as it is between consenting
> adults of age and there is no monetary compensation involved!
> <insert Olds-related comment here>
>
> Jeff Cote
>
> > ----------
> > From:         JCRASH7@aol.com[SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com]
> > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent:         Monday, August 17, 1998 11:06 PM
> > To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject:      Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to get into this...  Ok, he is the president, so we have
> > to
> > make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah right), but was really
> > was
> > the actual crime committed?  You can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp, so
> > it's
> > just that he's the pres, right?
> >
> > Joe
> >



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Some of you guys are missing the point - he <B>perjured</B> himself. Filthy,
dirty, beanhead, selfish, slutty, rotten sex with Monica is <B>beside</B>
the issue that on top of everything else he's a bloody <B>liar! </B>He's
a low-life piece of crap and I'm <U>so</U> not proud to say he's my president.
He makes me sick and I can only take heart in the knowledge that God will
take care of his sorry, no good, no restraint, fat butt.

<P>I feel sorry for Chelsea and all our future children who will be led
astray by our models in the whitehouse. Willy says, let's put this behind
us. Unfortunately, he's done unprecedented amounts of damage and he's leaving
a trail of filth everywhere he goes. We <B>can't</B> put it behind us,
we haven't been given a <B>choice.</B><B></B>

<P>God Bless America and <B>Pray Hard</B>

<P>P.S. I don't normally read the Olds stuff because it's my husband's
- - but I couldn't help it when I saw the messages. Sorry Honey!

<P>Olds' Wife

<P>IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I've been under the impression that adultery is grounds
for
<BR>a divorce but not illegal as long as it is between consenting
<BR>adults of age and there is no monetary compensation involved!
<BR>&lt;insert Olds-related comment here>

<P>Jeff Cote

<P>> ----------
<BR>> From:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
JCRASH7@aol.com[SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com] <BR>> Reply To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <BR>>
Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Monday, August 17, 1998
11:06 PM <BR>> To:&nbsp;&nbsp; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <BR>>
Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
<BR>> <BR>> Sorry, but I have to get into this...&nbsp; Ok, he is the 
president,
so we have <BR>> to <BR>> make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah
right), but was really <BR>> was <BR>> the actual crime committed?&nbsp; You
can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp, so <BR>> it's <BR>> just that he's the
pres, right? <BR>> <BR>> Joe <BR>></BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp;</HTML>

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:54:59 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: "Brother's" nightmare]

Before we start another round of Brother's bashing, I've got to step in
here and give my experiences with Steve Kinney and Brother's.  I've delt
with them twice, first over ten years ago, at which time the parts arrived
in a timely fashion and were correct, and again more recently.  The recent
dealings actually involve the upholstery kit for my 70 that I bought in
that order years ago.  Through my own incompetence, I damaged one of the
seat coverings during installation.  At that point I stopped, removed it,
and put the entire kit in storage, to be repaired at some future date.
Stuff happened (move, kids, divorce, remarriage, job, etc.), and now, over
ten years later I pulled the kit out as I attempt to once again finish this
W-30.  Given his presence on the list, and his comments, I emailed Steve
and explained the situation - that it was totally my fault and would it be
possible to buy just the cover for that one portion of the seat rather than
a whole new upholstery kit.

To my surprise, Steve offered to have his upholstery vendor look at the
cover and attempt to repair it for free.  He went on to say that if they
were not able to repair it, he'd sell me a new one at cost.  Needless to
say, I was flabbergasted, as I pointed out several times that these were
ten year old items and there was nothing wrong with the product, other than
my own error.  Steve did mention that his upholstery supplier was quite
backlogged and that it would be several weeks until they could get to this,
but I remain grateful of this customer service.  I certainly can't speak
for others' experiences, and I'll be the first to admit that some of his
comments on the list were somewhat self-destructive, but (pending the
return of my upholstery), so far I'm pleasantly surprised.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:01:20 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: SPAM: RE: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

Gentle reminder, readers;  this is off-topic and WAY non-olds related.
Please take it off-line.
 
Bruce D. Brumm
bdbrumm@ldmtech.com
'86 Salon (307-Y blah blah blah)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hoopingarner [mailto:khooping@bright.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 4:51 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican


Some of you guys are missing the point - he perjured himself. Filthy,
dirty, beanhead, selfish, slutty, rotten sex with Monica is beside the
issue that on top of everything else he's a bloody liar! He's a low-life
piece of crap and I'm so not proud to say he's my president. He makes me
sick and I can only take heart in the knowledge that God will take care
of his sorry, no good, no restraint, fat butt.

I feel sorry for Chelsea and all our future children who will be led
astray by our models in the whitehouse. Willy says, let's put this
behind us. Unfortunately, he's done unprecedented amounts of damage and
he's leaving a trail of filth everywhere he goes. We can't put it behind
us, we haven't been given a choice.


God Bless America and Pray Hard


P.S. I don't normally read the Olds stuff because it's my husband's -
but I couldn't help it when I saw the messages. Sorry Honey!


Olds' Wife


IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com wrote:


I've been under the impression that adultery is grounds for
a divorce but not illegal as long as it is between consenting
adults of age and there is no monetary compensation involved!
<insert Olds-related comment here>

Jeff Cote


> ----------
> From:         JCRASH7@aol.com[SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com]
> Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent:         Monday, August 17, 1998 11:06 PM
> To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:      Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
>
> Sorry, but I have to get into this...  Ok, he is the president, so we
have
> to
> make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah right), but was
really
> was
> the actual crime committed?  You can't go to jail for bangin' a tramp,
so
> it's
> just that he's the pres, right?
>
> Joe
>

 

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