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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, September 4 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1465



Re: 72 Supreme
Re: 72 Supreme
Re: 72 Supreme
Olds History Center
Re: Olds History Center
Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info
Fwd: Journey With Olds
72 cutlass supreme 2/d ht
Re: 350 to 455 swap
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965
Transmission help! please
UNBOUNCE: Car Show
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: Synthetic 15W-50?
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: 73 - 76 Parts
Need VIN Deciphered
RE: Finish line
RE: Synthetic 15W-50?
RE: installing sport mirrors
Re: installing sport mirrors
Re: Cutlass trunk floor...
RE: Jeep/Olds/ignition ?
Re: The General's store
Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)
Englishtown show
Olds in a movie
Re: 350 to 455 swap
Englishtown/86 Cutlass
Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)
Re: Olds in a movie
Re: The General's store
Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)
Good plug wires..??????
RE: Good plug wires..??????
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965
Re: Good plug wires..??????
Re: The General's store
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: Need VIN Deciphered
RE: Need VIN Deciphered
Re: Transmission help! please
Re: Need VIN Deciphered
Re: Transmission help! please
Turbo 350 - 400 Swap
Re: 73 - 76 Parts
guage cluster inquiry, g body
USA Parts Supply response I got
Can I plaese get taken off this list
Re: Need VIN Deciphered/HP
Re: guage cluster inquiry, g body
Proms
200-4R shifting & B&M shift kit
National Automotive Lines!
Re: Cutlass trunk floor...
Re: Proms

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:44:04 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Supreme

Check the VIN number and the cowl tag. These will tell you what the car is
equipped with and what color the interior and exterior should be. Also buy
a Olds restoration book and read up on it.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Greg <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 72 Supreme
> Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:14 PM
>
> I just bought a 72 cutlass supreme to restore.  How do I find out what
the
> original configuration from the factory.
> Greg

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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:54:13 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Supreme

Greg wrote:

> I just bought a 72 cutlass supreme to restore.  How do I find out what the
> original configuration from the factory.
> Greg


Greg,
Congrats on the purchase!
The best starting point would be providing us with the VIN and trim tag
codes.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:19:13 -0400
From: Todd Williams <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Supreme

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At 08:14 PM 9/3/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I just bought a 72 cutlass supreme to restore.  How do I find out what the
>original configuration from the factory.
>Greg
>

hey there only thing i know is to check the vin # im sending a text file
with this email so you can look up yours other than that im not sure plus
when they built theses cars they sometimes put build sheets in them tell
color and such ive seen these sheets under the carpet under the seats and
in side of the door panels so if you go restoring this car and are takeing
it apart you mite want to keep that in mind in case you run across it

       Todd
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1965 THROUGH 1971 MODELS

From 1965 to 1967 the Serial Number identification plate was attached to
the left front body hinge pillar directly below the upper door hinge. From
1968 to 1971 it was attached to the top of dhe instrument panel on the
driver's side and is visible duough the windshield from outside the car.

2nd and 3rd digits - Series - 31 = F85 L6 (1968-71)
                              31 = Cutlass L6 Hardtop Coupe (1971)
                              32 = F85 V8 (1968-71)
                              32 = Cutlass V8 Hardtop Coupe (1971)
                              33 = F85 V6 or L6 (1965-67)
                              34 = F85 V8 (1965-67)
                              34 = Vista Cruiser Wagon (1966-67)
                              35 = F85 Deluxe V6 or L6 (1965-66)
                              35 = Cutlass L6 (1967-71)
                              36 = F85 Deluxe V8 (1965-66)
                              36 = Cutlass V8 (1967-71)
                              38 = F85 Deluxe Vista Cruiser (Custom) (1965-66)
                              38 = F85 Cutlass (1965-66)
                              38 = Vista Cruiser Custom V8 (1966-67)
                              38 = Cutlass Supreme V8 (1967)
                              42 = Cutlass Suprcme V8 (1968-71)
                              44 = 442 V8 (1968-71)
                              48 = Custom Vista Cruiser V8 (1968-71)

4th and 5th digits - Body code - 07 = 2d Club coupe
                                 17 = 2d Holiday coupe
                                 27 = 2d Club coupe
                                 35 = 4d Station Wagon
                                 36 = 4d Station Wagon
                                 37 = 2d Holiday coupe
                                 39 = 4d hardtop sedan
                                 55 = 4d Vista Cruiser
                                 56 = 4d Vista Cruiser
                                 57 = 2d hardtop coupe
                                 65 = 4d Vista Cruiser
                                 66 = 4d Vista Cruiser
                                 67 = 2d convertible
                                 69 = 4d sedan
                                 77 = 2d Club coupe
                                 87 = 2d Holiday coupe

6th dlglt - Model year - 5 = 1965
                         6 = 1966
                         7 = 1967
                         8 = 1968
                         9 = 1969
                         0 = 1970
                         1 = 1971

7th digit - Assembly plant - B = Baltimore, MD
                             G = Framingham, MA
                             K = Kansas City, KS
                             M = Lansing, MI
                             R = Arlington, TX
                             Z = Fremont, CA
                             1 = Oshawa, ON Canada

Last 6 digits - Production number (sequence)

1972 MODELS

1972 the Serial Number identification plate was attached to the top of
the instrument panel on the driver's side and is visible through the
windshield from outside the car.

VIN PLATE FOR 1972 MODELS

1st digit - Division -3 = Oldsmobile

2nd digit - Series - D = F85 4d sedan
                     F = F85 2d Hardtop coupe
                     G = Cutlass
                     J = Cutass Supreme
                     K = Vista Cruiser

3rd and 4th digits - Body Style - 36 = 4d Station Wagon
                                  39 = 4d hardtop sedan
                                  56 = 4d Vista Cruiser Wagon
                                  57 = 2d hardtop coupe
                                  66 = 4d Vista Cruiser Wagon
                                  67 = 2d convertible
                                  69 = 4d sedan
                                  77 = 2d Club coupe
                                  87 = 2d hardtop coupe

5th digit - Engine code - H = 350-2bbl V8 160hp
                          J = 350-2bbl V8 175 hp (dual exh.)
                          K = 350-4bbl V8 180 hp
                          M = 350-4bbl V8 200 hp (dual exh.)
                          U = 455-4bbl V8 250 hp (dual exh.)
                          V = 455-4bbl V8 270 hp (dual exh.)
                          X = 455-4bbl V8 300 hp (W30)

6th digit - Model year - 2 = 1972

7th digit - Assembly plant - G = Framingham, MA
                             M = Lansing, Ml
                             R = Arlington, TX
                             Z = Freemont, CA

Last 6 digits - Production number (sequence)
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:26:37 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Olds History Center

Hi gang.

About the Olds History Center....is it HISTORY???

Reason I'm asking, is that I need their services, but not sure what the
status of the move is, etc, when they may be back, and all the details.

Anyone know?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:35:16 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center

Mike,

>About the Olds History Center....is it HISTORY???

>From what I've heard in JWO, it may be January before the History
Center will be back in operation. But it *will* be back.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:32:33 -0400
From: Todd Williams <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info

At 02:45 PM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info
>> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 08:47 PM
>>
>> I haven't had any experience with this place.  Has anyone else on the
>list?
>> I do live right near there, so I might see if they have a showroom or
>> something, when I go back home, that is.
>>
>> Jason Adcock
>____________-
>
>Jason,
>
>They have a showroom in Manassas, which I visited a few weeks ago.  They
>are primarily a Cadillac supply house which has branched out into the
>Oldsmobiles.  Their selection and sources are about the same as those of
>most other Olds vendors, however their prices appeared to be higher than
>those of Fusick or Year One.  The one advantage, of course, is that I can
>drive there and pick the items up, avoiding the shipping charges.  I was a
>little disappointed when I went there to get some metallic blue engine
>paint for a 455.  I had called and specifically asked if this was the
>correct metallic color, and they told me yes.  When I got there, the sales
>person I dealt with did not seem to know his product very well, and when
>whe tried out the paint, it turned out to be the later non-metallic blue,
>not the correct 70-72 color.  Needless to say, I was disappointed, but
>again, I'm glad that I was able to drive there and check it out before
>buying.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>
>just bought L/R 1/4 panels from here today they seemed like they knew what
they was doing but also told me that they`d have to send my 1/4 `s by truck
and would call me tommorow to give me the shipping price O BOY CANT WAIT!!!
i do live in West Virginia though and have been thinkin all day about
trying to find a pick up and going after them my self

     Todd
72 cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:11:26 EDT
From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Journey With Olds

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Good people o' the list:

I have a question here to which I may already know the answer.

Is Journey With Olds available online, or is it only through the OCA, or what?

Thanks!

Erik
'69 Cutlass 'S' convert

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 01:15:06 -0400
From: Todd Williams <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: 72 cutlass supreme 2/d ht

hey guys couple of ? for ya
1: how hard is it to put on a Vinyl Top my car had one back then and i want
one on it now also what about the trim/molding that went around it is that
hard to find and or get some one point me in the right direction please

2:ok another thing is that trim thats above the doors may be called drip
moldeing but not sure is that hard get  and replaced not sure but by
looking at it looks like it welded on to the roof would like to replace it
if i can it sure is beated up and doesnt have that good shine it any more

3:  ok i put a new alternator on and a starter when i got the car the dummy
light was on (GEN) so i put new one on and the light is still on so i
thought id take off the + cable side going to the battery to see if the car
would shut off and it did anyone have any ideas to what the problem is ? i
sure dont from the looks of it its running off the battery ??

4: ok last one sorry .... is it possible to take out the dummy lights and
replace with new gauges also have the extra place where the clock goes
because mine didnt come with one ??

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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 23:56:48 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 350 to 455 swap

Tom Williams wrote:

> Hi all,
>    I have a 1970 Cutlass Supreme bucket seat car. The original motor is
> a 350 and is not running. I was thinking of putting in a 455, and would
> like to know if there is a lot of difficulty in this. I do know of a
> person here locally who has a 71 Supreme who did the same thing and did
> not have to change much to do this. I was informed that it would be
> difficult from an Olds person here locally, yet at the same time the
> other gentleman who has the 71 said it would fit right in, is there any
> difference in the motor mounts ect... from a 70 to a 71 or 72?
> Thank you in advance for any answers to this question.
>
> Tom


Tom,

A 455 is a direct bolt in.
The Readers Digest version is as follows:
Engine mounts as well as the frame brackets will need to come from a 69-72
Cutlass, 4-4-2 or Vista Cruiser with a 400/455.  Your alternator and P/S
brackets from your 350 will fit the 455.  Ditto with the pulleys (provided
you use the same length water pump).  I will assume the 455 will be a 4
barrel, if the car now has a 2 barrel, you'll need a 4 barrel throttle
cable.  You'll need big block exhaust manifolds or tube headers.
If the car has a manual transmission, chances are you'll need to drill the
455's crank to accept the pilot bearing (or use an adaptor bearing).  If
it's an automatic, I would strongly suggest replacing the TH350 with a
TH400.  This will require replacing the TH350's downshift cable with the
TH400 electric switch.  You will also need to change the driveshaft (or
modify your existing one).  If your 72 has a console, you'll need the
brackets from a TH400 for the shifter cable.
The speedo cable will also need to be changed.
There is probably something I'm forgetting here.  But again, it's all a
bolt in deal.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 01:10:45 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

> 1) Front-end damage after last alignment.

Bent parts may cause camber changes...  Like a bent control arm, but other
factors would show up as well, I'm sure.

> 2) Previous owner replaced one of the tie rods. Maybe he even used the right
> one. The tire mechs said rods looked fine (made point of asking about rod and
> camber).

One tie rod, two tie rods, hell, four tie rods, center link, and idler arm.
~Still~ won't fix camber problems...

> 3) would weak springs and non-functional shocks cause bad camber when 
properly
> aligned? Such as the ones on my car?

Yup, that's the ticket... ~Especially~ with bad shocks.

> Manual says Toe Out probs can be due to caster, camber,and toe-in
misalignment.

Well, I guess...  Toe is always the ~last~ adjustment.  But the fact remains
that you've got a camber problem that's much worse than your toe problem.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 05:18:22 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Transmission help! please

  It's been a bad Olds week. Wed. my '69 442 gets whacked by a 16 yr old,
yesterday I'm driving to the body shop and I hear the dreaded whining coming
from the tranny. A mile later, it starts slipping in 1st, then 2nd, and forget
3rd.
  Now here's my problem. I bought the car last summer with the knowledge that
the transmission had to be rebuilt. It came with an aftermarket Hurst
"Promatic" shifter installed. I know nuttin about trannies, so my mechanic
friend and I dropped it out, took it to our local transmission wizard, had it
completely rebuilt, then picked it up and re-installed it. It worked great
(this was Jan/Feb '98). Once I got used to the shifter, it was kinda fun to
use. It's a 3 speed automatic I might mention. Th-350 or Th-400? (I haven't
got a clue and don't know how to tell the difference)
   Anyway, yesterday the tranny goes again. Limp down to my mechanic/friend
and leave the car. I get a call last night. He says the transmission guy came
to his shop, drove the car, and pronounced that installing the Hurst shifter
burned up the transmission. He said it's a piece of crap and that it was the
cause of the problem and for me to get a decent shifter before he repairs the
tranny .........AT MY COST!
   I need help guys. Is he correct? Did I blow it with the aftermarket
shifter? Since I know nothing about trannies I'd appreciate any information I
can get. I am also going to try to get Hurst's phone # today to see if they
have a technical rep. to talk to.
   Also, I do have the original automatic console and the shifter assembly but
I am missing all the hardware that attaches the shifter to the transmission
(shifter cable, clips, guides, etc.) Does anyone know where I can get these
parts? I've looked all over and haven't found them.....that's the reason I
never re-installed when I had the transmission rebuilt.

   Any help/advice will be greatly appreciated!!!!

                       Tom Reardon
                        Stamford, Ct.


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:48:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Car Show

Not on the list; respond to Socref6211@aol.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Socref6211@aol.com
Subject: car show

major phila chev-olds dealer looking to have an all yr chev olds show in sept
- -oct of 2000 in conjunction with 2000 model year announcement could use help
from a local olds club to draw as big a showing as possible as we can park
over 1000 cars outsdie and about 50 more inside the building. would like to
get started on plans asap any one interested get back to socref6211@aol.com
thanks

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:00:12 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

>to his shop, drove the car, and pronounced that installing the Hurst shifter
>burned up the transmission. He said it's a piece of crap and that it was the
>cause of the problem and for me to get a decent shifter before he repairs the
>tranny .........AT MY COST!

You better find another transmission mechanic.  That is a load of BS.  There
is no way the shifter could have hurt the tranny.  That is like saying you got
indigestion by eating with the wrong fork.  Sounds like a half *ssed job of a
rebuild to me.  I would not push him to make it right because you will
probably not get any satisfaction.  Find a reputable tranny shop somewhere
else and try again.  Check with the local racers to see what shop they like.
We have a guy locally here that used to be known for good work.  He can do
good work if he wants, but is too busy chasing skirts and has his flunkies do
the work. Sounds like your guy has similar problems when it comes to quality
work.


Good Luck,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

- ---David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com> wrote:

> You better find another transmission mechanic.  That is a load of
BS.  There
> is no way the shifter could have hurt the tranny.  That is like
saying you got
> indigestion by eating with the wrong fork.

- ---agreed there,my worst experience even with a mis-adjusted cable was
a few shifting problems...but no toasted tranny.


> We have a guy locally here that used to be known for good work.  He
can do
> good work if he wants, but is too busy chasing skirts and has his
flunkies do
> the work.

- ----Seems to be alot of that going around...and the flunkies either
don't know any better....or could care less.


What area is the "orig" post from?I recall the thread....but memory
going....glad that's all:)

John
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:18:45 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Synthetic 15W-50?

>The mobil is about $3.99 a quart. Is it really worth it?
I run it in my vehicles, except for the leaky Olds, and love the stuff.  Is it
worth it, read on.

>Fully synthetic oil will not thin out in high heat?
It does hold up in heat.  My present tow vehicle is a full size conversion van
and I pull a 8 X 24 enclosed car trailer.  Needless to say it is under quite a
bit of stress in hot weather.  When I bought it the dealer had changed the oil
and put in the specified 5W-30 oil.  I was towing to the track and had stopped
at a light when I glanced down to the gauges and saw the oil pressure was
about 15 psi at idle in gear.  I changed to Mobil1 15W-50 and saw the pressure
come up to 25 psi at idle in gear at the same light under the same conditions.
I use the 5W-30(?) in cold weather and it does as well. I am also seeing
better pressure going down the road.  Not only does it hold up under heat,
cold starts are a breeze even in sub zero weather.  The oil does not get thick
and syrupy when cold.  Mobil1 is the most consistent oil I have seen.  We use
5W-30 in our junior dragster.  Even with the alcohol dilution we get from a
rich idle (oil looks like milk after one pass), I am seeing zero bearing wear.
I have a hard time telling old rod bearings from new ones after a full season.
Until something better comes along I will continue to use Mobil1.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:22:35 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

Don't remember what area the original came from, it is too early for me to
catch the details.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:32:27 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

  Thanks Dave and John. Thought that's what you guys would say. I live in
Stamford, Ct.
                     Tom

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:32:45 EDT
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 - 76 Parts

In a message dated 98-09-03 22:15:12 EDT, you write:

<< Something I need to ask, what years do the full 1/4's fit.

 I know the 442/Hurst hood interchanges with 73 - 75.
 The fenders interchange with 74 - 75
 The deck lid interchanges with 73 - 76?
 The windshield ????? I need help with
 And the !/4's????

 Any help appreciated
  >>
Rear 1/4s fit 74 and 75,,, also fit 73s but the side marker light is not
right, frount fenders for 74s are not the same as the 76 and 77s,, thats all
im sure of off hand,, hope it helps,, if you wer not so far id buy it all for
a 74 Hurst/olds i am restoring.

Jeffrey Fieldsend
Board of Director,, OCC.. Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes
http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:42:18 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: Need VIN Deciphered

Members,

Went to see a wrecked 4-Door Cutlass last night. Car has 80,000 original
miles and aside from the damaged front looks real clean. It looks like a
70, 71 or 72 but hard for me to tell (G-body guy) since the front is
smashed. Would like to find out what year it is and what engine (looks
like a 350??) VIN is 3669 1G116767
thanks
stan


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:59:16 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Finish line

Question for ya,  When I got to the lights with the time on it I got off the
gas pedal thinking that that was the finish line.
My car ran a 13.25 in the quarter mile.  If I had held it pass the second
lights what do you think my time would have been.
Thanks for the input and your time.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	David L Wyatt [SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 03, 1998 12:39 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Finish line

	For those who do not know.  The finish line at the drag strip is the
last set
	of lights in a two light set up.  In the days of old (showing age
again) most
	timing equipment used three sets of lights at the end.  The first
and third
	sets were used to determine mph, while the second set was the actual
finish
	line.  This style did not give an accurate mph unless the driver
kept
	accelerating through all the lights.  In most cases the driver would
lift at
	the finish giving a slower than expected mph.  The new style
mentioned at the
	first have two sets of lights at the end of the track.  The first
set starts
	the mph timer, the second set is the finish line and also pulls
double duty by
	stopping the mph timer.

	new style        mph                finish/mph
	                  o                            o
	 __travel___\    I                              I
	                        /    I                              I
	                             o                            o

	old style        mph                       finish
mph
	                  o                            o
o
	 __travel___\    I                              I
	I
	                        /    I                              I
	I
	                             o                            o
	o

	Dave (no Picaso) Wyatt
	70  4-4-2
	

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:13:43 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Synthetic 15W-50?

I know about 5w-50 and 20w 50, If there is a website you might want to go
there and find out.

Let me know what happens
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Peter Landowski [SMTP:PETTRIX@prodigy.net]
	Sent:	Friday, September 04, 1998 1:41 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Synthetic 15W-50?

	I tried to find synthetic oil in the 15W-50 area of weight. I could
only
	find MObil with 15W-40 weight at Pep Boys. IS there a Mobil 15W-50
or a
	Castrol 15W-50 synthetic, if so, which would be a better buy.
	Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:21:10 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: installing sport mirrors

Speaking of sport mirrors, where can I get a good set of sport mirrors for
my 71 Cutlass?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM [SMTP:Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 03, 1998 5:03 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: installing sport mirrors

	What's involved in installing a set of Sport mirrors on a '72
Cutlass
	Supreme that didn't originally come with them?  My car originally
came with
	a drivers side remote mirror, and I want to install a drivers side
remote
	Sport mirror.  do they use the same mounting holes, or do I have to
make
	new
	holes or modify the existing ones?  Any help installing the
passenger side
	sport mirror would also be appreciated.

	Thanks,
	Blaine
	___________

	Blaine,

	The sport mirror will use the existing holes on the driver's side,
	including the provision for the remote control cables.  You'll need
to
	drill holes on the passenger side.  Use the gasket as a template and
simply
	position the gasket at the same location as it is on the driver's
door.
	Drill the two holes for the studs and install the nuts from inside
the
	door.  Be sure to use a dab of silicone sealer on the edges of the
drilled
	holes to seal them from moisture.

	Joe Padavano
	padavano.joe@orbital.com

	66 442
	68 W-30
	69 H/O
	70 W-30
	

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:35:16 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: installing sport mirrors

Sam

I can check for you but I should have a set
Hows $35 set


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: installing sport mirrors
> Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:21 AM
>
> Speaking of sport mirrors, where can I get a good set of sport mirrors
for
> my 71 Cutlass?
> ======================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >1971 Cutlass S 455
> >Westside! Chitown IL
> 17 Wins 13 Losses
> ======================
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM [SMTP:Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM]
> 	Sent:	Thursday, September 03, 1998 5:03 PM
> 	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> 	Subject:	Re: installing sport mirrors
>
> 	What's involved in installing a set of Sport mirrors on a '72
> Cutlass
> 	Supreme that didn't originally come with them?  My car originally
> came with
> 	a drivers side remote mirror, and I want to install a drivers side
> remote
> 	Sport mirror.  do they use the same mounting holes, or do I have to
> make
> 	new
> 	holes or modify the existing ones?  Any help installing the
> passenger side
> 	sport mirror would also be appreciated.
>
> 	Thanks,
> 	Blaine
> 	___________
>
> 	Blaine,
>
> 	The sport mirror will use the existing holes on the driver's side,
> 	including the provision for the remote control cables.  You'll need
> to
> 	drill holes on the passenger side.  Use the gasket as a template and
> simply
> 	position the gasket at the same location as it is on the driver's
> door.
> 	Drill the two holes for the studs and install the nuts from inside
> the
> 	door.  Be sure to use a dab of silicone sealer on the edges of the
> drilled
> 	holes to seal them from moisture.
>
> 	Joe Padavano
> 	padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 	66 442
> 	68 W-30
> 	69 H/O
> 	70 W-30
> 	

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:35:52 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: Re: Cutlass trunk floor...

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:23:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: in despair for: trunk floor

Hi Guys,

I am pretty desperate... I was ordering a one piece trunk floor at year
one and they are out of stock. Can be 4 weeks until they get them in
again. I have to finish the trunk floor before I put the gas tank back!

Does anyone know another place where they sell 1 piece trunk floors for a
68 cutlass?
Please help, I feel like I will get stuck otherwise, or have to pull the
gas tank twice!

Thanks, George


George;

Try "The Paddock Inc" for a new trunk floor for your 68 Cutlass. In fact,
Call them @ 1-800-428-4319. They produce much for the older Cutlass and many
others. In fact, 68 trunk floors are listed within their Cutlass on pg. 35.


- ----Regards,

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer
techsupport@salemcounty.com

Please post all requests for technical support at
Hanger95 Windows95/98 Help System

http://www.salemcounty.com/win95board/multipage1.html

Get the latest software for Windows95/98 at
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:39:40 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Jeep/Olds/ignition ?

	Ryan

	This is MSD's email address, you can email this guy with your
question on your motor and I am pretty sure  that he will be able to help
you out.

	Let me know what happens

	Sam

======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================

	
		-----Original Message-----
		From:	MFATZII@aol.com [SMTP:MFATZII@aol.com]
		Sent:	Thursday, September 03, 1998 9:08 PM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	Re: Jeep/Olds/ignition ?

		sooooo, is there an MSD ignition kit for my motor out there
(1956 324 bored
		60 up 4bbl)  ?  The auto parts stores around here don't
		know...............@#&$%#@ OPEY TAYLOR TOWN !



		Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
		Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they
suck !)

		56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
		<A
HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
		85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
		89 Chevy Beretta CL


		    888                888
		  8      8           8       8
		8          8       8           8
		  8      8           8       8
		    8  8               8   8           LIVES
		  8      8           8       8
		8          8       8           8
		  8     8            8       8
		    888                888

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:39:59 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: The General's store

In a message dated 98-09-03 19:24:13 EDT, you write:

<< i just want to a swapmeet and fond this guy,"The general's store"
 he sales olds parts ,and i have a catalog of his ,some good stuff.
 do you guy's/gals know of this guy? if this is old new's forgive me.

  >>
Hey Ryan,
What's he got for a &5 Delta. How can I get a catalogue?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:46:20 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)

In a message dated 98-09-03 19:33:23 EDT, you write:

<< Composition C-4 is a non hygroscopic plastic explosive extremely stable and
 with a detonation velocity of approximately 25,000 fps
  >>
Yes, but do you think it would be powerful enough to stop a chrome valve stem
thief? I dunno, those guys must be pretty tough to have achieved that status.
I think we'd better consider nuclear alternatives. Whadda ya say.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:10:08 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Englishtown show

In a message dated 98-09-04 08:35:03 EDT, you write:

<< My bad. the Oldsmobile/buick show is tomorrow Saturday NOT Sunday. Sorry
for
 any inconvenience to anyone.
 See Y'all there.
 Bruce
 75 Delta 88 conv. >>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:22:49 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: Olds in a movie

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  Olds in a movie

   Last night I saw a preview for a movie called Practical Magic.  A 7
   0(?) Cutlass is in it, along with Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman.
     That's an alright setup]

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass
   ray.costanzo@firstunion.com













































------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:41:38 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 350 to 455 swap

Tom Williams wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>    I have a 1970 Cutlass Supreme bucket seat car. The original motor is
> a 350 and is not running. I was thinking of putting in a 455, and would

Is the 350 a 4bbl? If so, you wouldn't happen to be wanting the Q-jet
and intake from it would you. I could use it (...would like to buy it).
That or I'll trade ya for a 2bbl intake and manifold and some cash.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl)
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl)
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl)
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:40:52 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: Englishtown/86 Cutlass

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  Englishtown/86 Cutlass

   About your 86...
     "]]"

   Sounds real nice.
   Use the 455 then buy yourself a 80ish Caddy Eldorado and do a RWD c
   onversion]

   It must be nice to have extra enginge lying around]

   Will this 86 be at Englishtown, or are you on the other side of the
    country?









































------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:07:20 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)

Yea nuke the commies!!!!!

KWhite5590
DVADEROLDS

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:13:49 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds in a movie

I have seen 2 movies in as many days with Cutlass' in them.
Both on HBO. One with a 70? starring a guy that used to be on Days of our
lives
(my wife and mother both watch).the other is a 70? 442 w30 in The Karate Kid
3.
I'm a g-body fan so I'm not sure of the years.

Kevin White
83 cutlass Supreme
FE3X clone

KWhite5590@aol.com
DVADEROLDS@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:17:33 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The General's store

>  >>
>Hey Ryan,
>What's he got for a &5 Delta. How can I get a catalogue?
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.
>
I Can try to get you one or i can copy mine..:)

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:36:56 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)

nix on the nukes it would pu the car in orbit or perhaps a sub orbit but the
c-4 will merely destroy it so you dont have to worry about the valve stem
caps or the theif any more of course the nuke would accomplish the same
thing but the nuke costs way more...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: What's c-4? (was re: Chrome valve stem caps)


>In a message dated 98-09-03 19:33:23 EDT, you write:
>
><< Composition C-4 is a non hygroscopic plastic explosive extremely stable
and
> with a detonation velocity of approximately 25,000 fps
>  >>
>Yes, but do you think it would be powerful enough to stop a chrome valve
stem
>thief? I dunno, those guys must be pretty tough to have achieved that
status.
>I think we'd better consider nuclear alternatives. Whadda ya say.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:12:52 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Good plug wires..??????

List..............

I need a couple of suggestions on the best kind of plug wires to
install on my '86 442. I don't want a good brand of Advance Auto crap
either. I want a really good brand name plug wire that will give me
maximum performance for the money. Also, shocks..!! Are the Monroe
Sensatracs as good as they are billed to be???

Thanks folks
Have a happy and safe memorial Day weekend..!!

Mike
Ironto Va
'86 442
'86 Supreme
'71 Monte




 "The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:37:30 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Good plug wires..??????

I'm a Taylor man myself
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	krzy4evr@usit.net [SMTP:krzy4evr@usit.net]
	Sent:	Friday, September 04, 1998 6:13 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Good plug wires..??????

	List..............

	I need a couple of suggestions on the best kind of plug wires to
	install on my '86 442. I don't want a good brand of Advance Auto
crap
	either. I want a really good brand name plug wire that will give me
	maximum performance for the money. Also, shocks..!! Are the Monroe
	Sensatracs as good as they are billed to be???

	Thanks folks
	Have a happy and safe memorial Day weekend..!!

	Mike
	Ironto Va
	'86 442
	'86 Supreme
	'71 Monte




	 "The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:47:16 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

In a message dated 98-09-03 13:26:21 EDT, you write:

<< Do you mean "feathered" tread surface?
 _____________

 Yes.  A better choice of word.  >>


Really?
It did not come to me offhand.
Was how manual describes wear due to toe out.

Thanks!

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:01:58 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Good plug wires..??????

In a message dated 98-09-04 11:19:47 EDT, you write:

<<  the best kind of plug wires to install on my '86 442. >>


I am using a set of Accell 300+ Race Wire (8.8mm) that I got through Jeg's.
They have a lifetime warranty.

They were on "sale". now $57 for universal fit (you cut to desired length) and
$66 for Olds 1959-1991 with HEI.

(dunno how many '59's got HEI !)

My setup prolly does not warrant such HiPo wires (SuperCoil, Accell
cap/rotor/points) but I am willing to see if I can make good out of the
warranty!

Plus there is that dual points conversion that I keep putting off.....

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:12:30 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: The General's store

In a message dated 98-09-04 10:23:12 EDT, you write:

<< I Can try to get you one or i can copy mine..:) >>

Ryan,

Can you give a synopsis of the catalogue?

To wit; does he specialize in mechanical, electrical, or sheetmetal; does he
only provide for certain cars (e.g. 4 4 2 's) or years (e.g. 1968-1972)???

Thanks!

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:18:59 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

ID is easy..pan on TH400 is shaped similar to Texas (very irregular) and the
TH350 is square with a notched off corner. The list is absolutely correct.
Shifter has nothing to do with longevity of a transmission. If it slips in ALL
gears, and maybe lets you get up to 5 mph, with high RPM's, it MAY only be the
converter. If it wasn't replaced, I would suspect it. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:31:32 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need VIN Deciphered

Are you sure your not missing a number??

ie: 33669 1G116767 would be a 71 Cutlass 4-dr Sedan

Just guessing from http://www.442.com/vin.html <-- A real good VIN page

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

Weaver, Stanleigh G wrote:
>
> Members,
>
> Went to see a wrecked 4-Door Cutlass last night. Car has 80,000 original
> miles and aside from the damaged front looks real clean. It looks like a
> 70, 71 or 72 but hard for me to tell (G-body guy) since the front is
> smashed. Would like to find out what year it is and what engine (looks
> like a 350??) VIN is 3669 1G116767
> thanks
> stan
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:49:34 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Need VIN Deciphered

Eric,
Could be missing a number if it wasn't visible through the windshield
(thought I got them all). Ok so we know its a '71 4-door, and as I said,
I'm pretty sure it's a 350 with 2bbl. Any idea what the original HP
rating may have been??

stan

> ----------
> From: 	Eric[SMTP:big_olds@hotmail.com]
> Sent: 	Friday, September 04, 1998 12:31 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Need VIN Deciphered
>
> Are you sure your not missing a number??
>
> ie: 33669 1G116767 would be a 71 Cutlass 4-dr Sedan
>
> Just guessing from http://www.442.com/vin.html <-- A real good VIN
> page
>
> Eric
> http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/
>
> Weaver, Stanleigh G wrote:
> >
> > Members,
> >
> > Went to see a wrecked 4-Door Cutlass last night. Car has 80,000
> original
> > miles and aside from the damaged front looks real clean. It looks
> like a
> > 70, 71 or 72 but hard for me to tell (G-body guy) since the front is
> > smashed. Would like to find out what year it is and what engine
> (looks
> > like a 350??) VIN is 3669 1G116767
> > thanks
> > stan
> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:05:05 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

  Thanks for the info, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:04:44 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Need VIN Deciphered

 VIN is 3669 1G116767
_________

Hi, Stan.  I assume the VIN is 336691G116767 (that would be the correct
format for an Olds VIN of that vintage).

3 = Olds Division
36 = Cutlass (8 cyl)
69 = four door
1 = 1971 model year
G = build plant (somebody help me here - does G = Framingham, MA?)
116767 = sequential build number

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:58:01 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Transmission help! please

...Th-350 or Th-400?
__________

Look at the tranny oil pan.  If it's square with one corner cut off, it's a
TH350.  An oblong irregularly shaped pan is a TH400.  Note that if it's the
original trans, it's a TH400.

================

...pronounced that installing the Hurst shifter burned up the transmission.
He said it's a piece of crap and that it was the cause of the problem and
for me to get a decent shifter before he repairs the tranny .........AT MY
COST!
__________

Sorry, Tom, but that's total BS.  It's pretty obvious that the tranny guy
is trying to get out of standing behind his work and is grasping at
anything he can.  The only way the shifter could even remotely be connected
to a transmission failure is if the shifter was improperly adjusted in such
a way as to hold the trans in first or second.  Needless to say, you'd have
noticed the fact that the tranny wasn't shifting into third long ago if
this were, in fact, the problem.  Unfortunately, given the fact that this
guy did a sh*tty job the first time and is now trying to weasel out of it,
do you really want him to work on your tranny again?

Please have this "expert" explain exactly the failure mechanism that he
alleges caused the failure.  What parts failed and how did the shifter
cause this failure. Please post the answers here, as we need a good laugh.
The GM transmissions (TH350 and TH400) have a shift lever which sticks out
of the driver's side of the case.  This lever has detents internal to the
transmission which ensure that the linkage is fully engaged in the selected
gear.  Both the factory shifter and any aftermarket shifters attach to this
lever with a cable.  The shifter itself also has internal detents, so it's
obviously important to ensure that the shifter is adjusted properly.  All
any shifter does (factory or aftermarket) is move this transmission shift
lever back and forth to select the gear.  Period.  The transmission doesn't
ever know which shifter is on the other end of the cable.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: 4 Sep 98 14:50:00 EDT
From: Olds455 <olds455@usa.net>
Subject: Turbo 350 - 400 Swap

I am swapping out a 350/Turbo 350 "short tail" with a 455/Turbo 400 "long
tail" has anyone done the measurement on how much to cut the driveline?  I am
getting an extra driveline so that my original one stays intact.

I know that I will have to use the 400 Yoke, any other changes??

Thanks

Corey
olds455@usa.net

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:58:26 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: 73 - 76 Parts

How much for the hood?

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Hi List Members
>
>I picked up some 74 442 body panels, they are southern.  I got a hood, two
>fenders, the 1/4's a trunk lid, and a windshield.   I got them cheap and
>will pass the whole lot to someone who want them all.
>I will seperate the bits.
>
>Something I need to ask, what years do the full 1/4's fit.
>
>I know the 442/Hurst hood interchanges with 73 - 75.
>The fenders interchange with 74 - 75
>The deck lid interchanges with 73 - 76?
>The windshield ????? I need help with
>And the !/4's????
>
>Any help appreciated
>
>Thanks
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>Niagara Falls, Canada
>905-357-4454
>1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:40:12 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: guage cluster inquiry, g body

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  guage cluster inquiry, g body

   About a month ago, someone said that he could send complete instruc
   tions on the guage cluster swap for a G-body is a SASE.  ARe you st
   ill around?  I'll be doing mine soon, if I can get the info.  THank
   s]

   Also, the cluster I have has the gear indicator in it (with OD).  I
   s this strange that this is in here?  I thought that the vehicles t
   hat came with this cluster were Salon and 442's.  But don't they AL
   L have a console shifter, which would mean no gear indicator on the
    dash?  Do I have a cluster from a Supreme that someone ordered wit
   h OD and the guages?

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass






































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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:26:30 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: USA Parts Supply response I got

Well, at least they're HONEST......
Mike Rothe


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> THose are the only seals that we carry, return them and we will refund your
> money.
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<SNIP of original message> The H/O air cleaner foam seal is
> >smaller in diameter than the W-30/31 seals, and also about twice as
> >tall.  The invoice # is 170404.
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> >You correctly billed me for these, however, gave me the WRONG foam
> >seals.  NOW WHAT DO WE DO????  I have no use for the 70-72 seals.
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> >Mike Rothe
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:28:48 EDT
From: Claypol442@aol.com
Subject: Can I plaese get taken off this list

list removal

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:38:34 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Need VIN Deciphered/HP

> Ok so we know its a '71 4-door, and as I said,
>I'm pretty sure it's a 350 with 2bbl. Any idea what the original HP
>rating may have been??


It should be 240 HP with a 2V 350cid

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: guage cluster inquiry, g body

i have the info on exchanging the rectangular speedo with the rallye
cluster.....i have done it.....if you want it....let me
know....nmknipe@syr.edu

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>    s this strange that this is in here?  I thought that the vehicles t
>    hat came with this cluster were Salon and 442's.  But don't they AL
>    L have a console shifter, which would mean no gear indicator on the
>     dash?  Do I have a cluster from a Supreme that someone ordered wit
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>    87 409 Cutlass
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:24:30 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Proms

I finally ran my 442 at the dragstrip with my new proms that I made.   The
car is completely stock except for an base timing advance of 2 degrees and
a custom prom that I made with an extra advance of 10 degrees at WOT over
stock timing.  The best run I made with the stock chip is 16.35 seconds @
81.78 mph.  With the new chip I ran 16.18 @ 83.1 mph.  Driving around town
the engine feels stronger at WOT than before.  This is not scientific proof
of the improvement, but it appears the 307 like lots of spark advance at
WOT.  BTW - I run 92 Octane Shell Premium with no detonation.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:33:40 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 200-4R shifting & B&M shift kit

After installing a B&M shift kit in my 442, I was not happy with the
shifts.

I originally installed the medium level firmness which included the
stronger pressure regultor spring and drilled out spacer plate.  The 1-2
was still hard at part throttle and soft at WOT.  I then added the 1-2
accumulator spacer and line bias spring.  Now it was harder at WOT, but
still somewhat mushy.  Also, the WOT shift point was varying between 4800
and 5500 depending on how much I was rolling before stepping on it.  I
decided to remove the accumulator spacer, the line bias spring, drill out
the spacer plate holes slightly larger, and installl the Grand National
intermediate servo piston and cover.  Now the 1-2 was firm but not harsh at
part throttle but at WOT it would bark both rear tires hard.  The WOT shift
points were still varying.  Finally, I pulled the pump pressure regulator
spring out and re-installed the stock spring.

 At this point, all B&M parts were removed from tranny.  The WOT shift
points are solved.  IT now shifts at 5000 RPM no matter what the
conditions. The part throttle shifts are quick but not too firm, and the
WOT shifts are strong, but not neck snapping.  I am very happy with it at
this point.

So the final mods were - 1) Spacer plate drilled out to 1/8" on holes (as
recommended by Art Carr), and 2) Grand National Intermediate Servo Piston
and Cover assembly.


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: National Automotive Lines!

     Hey folks! I just bought a 3 core Modine radiator for my 307 86
Cutlass for $104, + $9.05 shipping (to MD)! I got it from National
Automotive Lines in Indiana. I ordered it  Tuesday afternoon and it
came Friday afternoon! Local stores wanted $144 + tax!
     I also got some GM points for 99 cents a set. They are made by
E-TRON. I've run this brand before in my 70 and can recommend them.
     Next payday....4 shocks and outer tie rod ends!

Check them out :)
National Automotive Lines, Inc
1-800-428-4300
www.natauto.com


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:51:17 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass trunk floor...

George-
The trunk floor I have is pretty nice and will work well for you. I am in
SoCal and will have to cut it out if interested.
$75+ UPS

Peter

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:01:57 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Proms

In a message dated 98-09-04 16:32:51 EDT, you write:

<< The car is completely stock except for an base timing advance of 2 degrees
and
 a custom prom that I made with an extra advance of 10 degrees at WOT over
stock timing.  The best run I made with the stock chip is 16.35 seconds @
81.78 mph.  With the new chip I ran 16.18 @ 83.1 mph. >>

Congratulations!

You have just graduated to "Wildcat" status, or are a Wildcatter.

Much akin to the breed of tinkerers who developed these pistol cartridges;
.357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, .45 Magnum, .375 Maximum, .455 Automag, .455 Casull..
et alii.

Pushing past the design specs for better performance.

A great technical accomplishment Steve!
Congrats!

Karl

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