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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, August 6 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1409



Splifire Lawsuit
Re: Lifespan of Tires
Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)
Re: Camshaft Question
Re: Turn signal problems.
odd ball
Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)
hi...
Re: 65-67 400-425
Re: Paging Jim Chermac
Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)
Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
Re: Things to do in Detroit
Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)
hey.....g-body guys !
Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
looking for
Re: Pictures from OCA Nationals
All hail Bob Cline!
Re: Choke on a performer intake
Re: Camshaft Question
Turn signal problems FIXED
more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)
Re: Cool Can
RE: 200R4 info
Re: aftermarket shifter and bench seat
Re: Things to do!
Re: 1971 Cutlass windshield {possible Bui*k doner}
Re:  FE3X
Re: All hail Bob Cline!
Re: Tee's fixed!!!
Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
Re: odd ball
Re: All hail Bob Cline!
Re: Bad luck
Re: God Loves Oldsmobilers....was DOH!
Toro Trike?
Re: more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)
Anybody have the Nitewatch option?
Looking for W-Z 455 Manifolds
Re: All hail Bob Cline!
455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
RE: All hail Bob Cline!
Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: Rocket Talk again...  Right here, right now
Re: Olds Smokey- Fixed
Re: FE3X
Master Larry has the best "kung-fu" ?
Re: more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)
Rocket Talk again...
Exhaust manifold gasket replacement
Re: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement
production number question
Re: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement
Re: SX for sale
timing chain help
RE: SX for sale
68 Cutlass/4-4-2 spotted

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:03:05 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Splifire Lawsuit

If anyone still has the Splitfire rebate coupon info that resulted from the
recent lawsuit, please post publicly or privately.  I've found my receipt!

Thanks

John Gill
jgill@idmi.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:03:16 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Lifespan of Tires

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Lifespan of Tires


Tires will dry out and become hard with age - handling suffers, as does
braking in wet weather. You gotta be the judge of how bad they are.

I replace the front tire on my motorcycle, for instance, every 15 years
whether it needs it or not ;-)


>solution:
>
>{
>do big burnouts
>buy new tires
>repeat
>}
>>>>Brett


Brett, you forgot
do
{
} while (you still have money);

drc

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)

Sure sounds as though she was upset. Anyone heard??


>9. ALL OCA stuff that Penny had was shipped to new OCA President's Greg Childs
>   house and he is going thru "55" boxes of stuff as we speak! Not to mention
>   that she also sent the PC, monitor, keyboard and had the OCA mail & phone
>   number forwarded there until it was recently straightened out.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:36:21 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Camshaft Question

  Flynt - the cam is two steps removed from a tootsie roll.  It is not the
cause of your idle problem, assuming it's in time.  The stock cam for that
motor actually works real well.  It makes vacuum for powerful brakes,
mountains of torque, and a pleasant burble out the back.  Greg at Supercars
is a good source.
  Rough run can be attributed to many things. As simple as secondary
ignition to as gross as low compression.  More info needed here, but am very
willing to help.  Peter

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:46:59 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Turn signal problems.

  Thigh bone connected to the wrist pin, wrist pin connected to the con rod,
con rod connected to the crankshaft, I hear the name of the Lord.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:35:56 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: odd ball

 peter  got a call today someone trying to sell a 73 omega for $3800 ..

wanted to know did i have someone that might be interested..

not a car you really run after...  jeff...

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:38:08 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)

good recap....i was at ILL...  good job of updating

jeff dixie olds chapter  atl,ga..

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:42:06 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: hi...

mike,,do you have any 70-2 am-fm radios????

hope to see you sat at the meeting..

jeff olds guy  (pres dixie olds club)

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:41:56 -0400
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 65-67 400-425

Mike

        I've had alot of experience with these engines. I have 3 short
stroke 400's that are built (1) for racing the others are very hot steet
engines. I also did another one for a friends 67 F-85. It was a 66 Toro 425
that is putting out around 450 HP. This is a fairly mild engine that idles
fair with a mild converter and has 3.55 gears. This car is a terror. Here's
what it has in it.

9.5:1 comp
"C" heads (w/mild port matching, oversize stainless valves)
heads milled .020
Cam is a cheapo grind  intake lift  .496 dur 290
                                  exhaust lift .512 dur 300
                                  lobe separation 113 degrees
Toro pan w/HV pump
New 3 piece rocker assm
70 "W" & "Z" exhaust manifolds
2 1/2" exhaust w/2 chamber flow masters (sounds awesome)
TH350 w shift kit and 2300 stall converter
Mallory Unilite ignition system
old O4B edelbrock intake w/780 cfm vacuum Holley

This thing runs low 13's and should be in the high 12's later this year with
more tuning. One of my 400's (built by Danny Lattimore) is built to NHRA
Stock Eliminator specs. It runs 12.75's with no sweat. This uses a cam with
.475 lift duration and other specs Danny won't make public. It turns to 6500
with stock valve train and a stock oiling system. This thing just doesn't
seem like it should run that fast. All the clearances in this engine are
perfect. He even bushed the rods to get exactly the same deck clearance in
all the cylinders. These engines run better than any of the 455's I've had.
With the steel cranks you can turn them up harder also. The 400's rev
extremely quick as compared to a 455. I ran a buddies 70 W-30 and beat him
by 5 car lengths. If you do a 400 stay away fromt the 65 model. Too many
unique parts for that engine. The cams are also different due to the 45
degree lifter banks. Same with the 65-67 425's that are not out of a Toro.

Jim Chermack


At 04:29 PM 8/5/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Anyone ever build a high performance 65-67 400 or 425 for moderate drag
racing. If so any recommendations on cam, compression, intake ect. would
be helpful.  Do the cranks have to be drilled for 4 speed on these   motors?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>66 442
>70 442 W30
>70 GTO Judge RAIV
>71 Cutlass S
>71 442 Convt
>
>

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:43:07 -0400
From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Paging Jim Chermac

Bob

        YES! I'm still interested. I'll call you in a day or two.

Jim C.

At 08:41 PM 8/3/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey Still Interested In THE Car
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>Niagara Falls, Canada
>905-357-4454
>1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)
>
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:53:12 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)

any one know why penny resigned?
                                                           jim

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:19:28 -0700
From: "Tim W." <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?

What kind of car is it? And approximate year then i can decode it for you.
- -----Original Message-----
From: erik HILL <ehill@gowebway.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 5:06 PM
Subject: who has the best "kung-fu" ?


>who can decipher this vin code ?
>
>2g3gm51a8h2338893
>
>
>thanks
>
>erik
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:07:17 -0400
From: "Loris Scarnecchia" <loris@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Things to do in Detroit

David:

Make sure you visit GreekTown in downtown Detroit.  Most exellent grub.
Also, and this is most important, is the Woodward Dream Cruise held August
14-16.  The Olds Street Rockets will be there.  Just look for the coolest
cars in the cruise . . . Olds, of course!

Have fun!


- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Things to do!


>David Popadic wrote:
>>
>> My work is sending me to Detroit for a week and was wondering what's
>> there to do.  I will, naturally, be going to Lansing and stopping at
>> the Musuem.  How good is the Musuem?  Is there anything else I should
>> be looking to do in either Detroit or Lansing (Car related, of
>> course!, ok. not necessarily car related since I'll be taking the
>> wife).  I'm coming from Southeast Wisconsin (and am driving) in case
>> there is anything else on the way that somebody can tell me to stop
>> and check out!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave
>> 1967 Cutlass Convertible
>
>While in Dearborn, don't forget the Henry Ford Museum.  Even the wife
>should like that, not all car stuff there).  Also, the Lionel Visitors
>Center is in nearby Mt. Clemons.
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:07:33 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)

it was a terrible thing penny resigning..i liked her very much...

olds guy ga    pres dixie olds chapter....

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:11:26 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: hey.....g-body guys !

for sale:

1 rally gauge/speedo cluster, new bulbs, contacts and housing freshly
cleaned, oiled and ready for install

out of '87 cutl.supr.brough

engin---not sure....

will set milage to what you want......

goes  to highest (PRIVATE) bidder by 8-9-98

ehill@gowebway.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:12:51 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?

Told it was an '87 cutlass supreme ???

- ----------
> From: Tim W. <tropical@micron.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 3:19 AM
>
>
> What kind of car is it? And approximate year then i can decode it for
you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: erik HILL <ehill@gowebway.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 5:06 PM
> Subject: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
>
>
> >who can decipher this vin code ?
> >
> >2g3gm51a8h2338893
> >
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >erik
> >

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:10:50 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: looking for

 jim..looking for a face for a 70-2 am-fm..part with switch in it to flp the
am to fm

jeff.....ps have you been assigned a location in charlotte...
green field again ???

 thanks..jeff

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:00:51 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: Pictures from OCA Nationals

Great shots.  I really appreciated the thumbnail arrangement!

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: John Richmond <richmond@tir.com>
> To: Oldsmobile E-mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Jeff Branch
<jbranch@tir.com>; Phil Danielson <phild02@aol.com>; Mick Falkenhagen
<thefalk@teleweb.net>; Gerry Fleck <fleckgw@rust.net>; Chuck Horndt
<chorndt@aol.com>; Mark H. Kusz <mkusz@rust.net>; Prem Padarath
<premanand.padarath@sybase.com>; Mike Seventko <mjs29@chrysler.com>; Calvin
Wolf <wolfwolfwolf@classic.msn.com>
> Cc: John Richmond (work) <jwr10@chrysler.com>
> Subject: Pictures from OCA Nationals
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 7:57 PM
>
> I have uploaded pictures from the Oldsmobile Club
> of America to my home page. Check them out at
> http://www.tir.com/~richmond/ocanat.html
> Give me some reviews.
>
> John Richmond
> richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
> Warren, MI
> 72 442/455
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:17:48 -0400
From: "Loris Scarnecchia" <loris@tir.com>
Subject: All hail Bob Cline!

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:26:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Choke on a performer intake

>Just finishing up on the '69 350 rebuild. One small problem, the
>original choke spring and housing doesn't fit in the hole in the new
>performer intake manifold.  What is the best, easiest, cheapest (any
>option of the three is OK) way to replace the original choke?  I
>really don't much care for manual chokes and don't have the cash for a
>new carb.  Any suggestions?

The best way is to update the carb with a main casting that includes the
hot-air choke that the intake is designed to serve.

A cheaper way would be to retrofit an electric choke to your carb; some
q-jets were so equipped, so it's not impossible.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:26:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Camshaft Question

> My 1969 442 with the original 400 was rebuilt by the car's previous
>owner with a camshaft purchased from NAPA.  I took the part number to my
 [snip]
> intake cam lift - .250
> exhaust cam lift - .251
> intake valve lift - .400
> Exhaust valve lift - .402
> Overlap - 36
> Advertised intake duration - 250
> Advertised exhaust duration - 264
> SAE intake duration - 277
> SAE exhaust duration - 291
>
> What do these numbers mean?  Is this a mild cam, an RV grind camshaft,
>or a race camshaft?  The car has the 3.23 ratio rear end.  The car

That is the factory cam for virtually all Olds 350's ever produced. It is
much milder than even the mildest big-block cam ever used. The factory cam,
or a Mondello cam, will serve you much better. Definitely replace it.

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:31:25 PDT
From: "Justin Brickey" <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
Subject: Turn signal problems FIXED

>I think you have a bad bulb or socket on the front left turn
>signal. Turning on the parking light circuit is allowing current
>to flow _back_ up the turn signal circuit on that side, which
>causes your dash signal to glow as well. We know it's not a rear
>light that's shorted, because that circuit cannot connect with
>the dash signal unless the turn signal lever has been moved to
>that side.
>
>Try removing the front left bulb temporarily and see if the
>glowing dash signal symptom goes away. I think it will. You
>need to test for a bad ground on the front left turn signal
>socket. Frequently it's broken inside the socket where the
>black wire goes in. Try running a jumper wire temporarily
>from the side of the bulb (carefully wedge the wire against
>the side of the bulb) to a known good ground connection and
>see if the problem goes away.
>
>BTW, if a single-filament bulb such as a #1156 has been jammed
>into the double-filament #1157 socket, you can get the same
>symptoms...
>
>-- Andy

Turn signal works fine now, the spring in the socket for the ground
snapped. I fixed it.   Thanks for the info.

Justin

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:44:25 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)

sorry, I know it's been covered before but the FAQ was vague on power
boosters.
Will a disk MC work with a drum power booster? scecificly a '66 booster.
I don't mind paying for a new booster ,seems silly to use a 3 decade old
booster
with all those other new parts :) but it seems that the '66 has a smaller
diameter booster than later years.

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:46:23 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cool Can

In a message dated 98-08-05 00:31:28 EDT, you write:

<< Yup still have jets :)
 and POINTS even. remember points?
 and drum brakes even.

 and i'm thinking about oil lamps for headlights,  Still don't trust the
 electrical thingy's :) >>
LOL :)

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Date: Wed,  5 Aug 1998 23:46:18, -0500
From: GQPR12E@prodigy.com ( CLAYTON PIERCE)
Subject: RE: 200R4 info

> That's what I love about both of my favorite makes! Gobs and gobs
of
> transmission snapping torque (snapped a TH-350 in two, literally,
with
> my 1st LeMans)!!!

I gnawed a case-hardened sprag in a built TH400 to shreds in Lucille
('84 Cutlass) with a slightly better than stock... smogged olds 350.
The guy who helped me build the tranny said something like "that
tranny should have held up to a built bb Chevy... "  ;-)

> And wait a minute...come to think of it both Pontiac and Olds were
able
> to pull ALMOST as much flow out of the exhaust side as most Briggs
and
> Straton engines!!!!

> Talk about similarities!

> Brent Pinkstaff
> '70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
GQPR12E@Prodigy.com

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:10:15 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: aftermarket shifter and bench seat

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> Has anyone put a aftermarket floor shifter in a car with a bench seat?
> I seem to have enough room and even a B&M cable unit would seem to be easier
> and cheaper than finding replacment '66 colum linkage and safty switches.

 Bob,
The problem with using most aftermarket shifters with a bench seat is that the
shifter stick will be too low.  As they are designed to be placed between 
bucket
seats.  You will end up with a permanent hunchback stance using one of those
with a bench seat!  What I would suggest is the Hurst Auto/Stick 1.  Years ago 
I
put one of these in a 67 4-4-2.  The detents and gear stops are very much like 
a
Dual/Gate (My favorite auto shifter).  The only thing I didn't like about it 
was
the faux 4 speed look.  The shifter is still available from Hurst as part 
number
315 7615 for TH350 and number 315 7612 for TH400.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:45:55 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Things to do!

David L Wyatt wrote:
>
> While in Detroit check out the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village.  It
> is worth the trip to Detroit.

We've been discussing this trip for several years.  My wife has been
there, but a long time ago.  I would probably need to take a tent and
camp out there for several days.

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:03:16 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1971 Cutlass windshield {possible Bui*k doner}

In a message dated 98-08-05 18:16:34 EDT, you write:

<< > My friend is looking at a windshield for a 1971 Cutlass S 2-door.
 > > He bought a 1971 Buik Skylark (or maybe Skyhawk?) 4-door.  Does
 > > anyone know if this is a possible wind-shield doner??
 >  >>


No, it won't fit. 2 drs only, and the Buick Special would have to be the
donor. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:15:13 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  FE3X

I'd like some pics too please!
JJP442@aol.com
83 HURST OLDS
87 442

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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:31:51 -0700
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: All hail Bob Cline!

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Loris,
	What is th # for Desert Dog?

					TIA,
						Paul	
						'66 F-85 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:36:21 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tee's fixed!!!

Way to Go Charlie!

later,

cr

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:55:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?

2g3gm51a8h2338893


2  Built in Canada
G  General Motors
3  Oldsmobile
GM Cutlass Supreme Brougham Sedan
   G is the car line and M is the sales vin code
5  Four Door
1  Manual Belts
A  3.8 Liter (231) 2BBL. V-6
8  Manual calls this Check Digit (Don't know what that means)
H  Model Year 1987
2  Ste. Theresa, Quebec
338893  Production Number Starting at 300001


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:29:05 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: odd ball

More like one you run from.  But, why do you want me to bring the 442?
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From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: odd ball


> peter  got a call today someone trying to sell a 73 omega for $3800 ..
>
>wanted to know did i have someone that might be interested..
>
>not a car you really run after...  jeff...

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:44:05 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:54:35 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bad luck

In a message dated 98-08-03 13:15:17 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone know of any deterrent devices that will keep people away?
 > I am getting fed up with all this
 > repairing I keep doing. >>

LIGHTS, LIGHTS and more LIGHTS. Vandals do not like to be seen. Statistics
show a burglar (or vandal) will pass your house if it's well lit. Use motion
sensors, they'll never know if you just woke up and threw on the lights.
Good Luck
Bruce
]

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:25:08 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: God Loves Oldsmobilers....was DOH!

In a message dated 98-08-04 15:37:09 EDT, you write:

<< Should, or almost, I have started cars from right-empty before, and it
 either runs until the pump fills the carb, or almost and only requires a
 little turning over. >>

Thanks Erik,

...and....

Thanks in part to the earlier pump-carb swap.

Because my pre- fuel pum inline fuel filter is a see thru type!
Start car.
Let warm up.
Open hood.
Look at (into!) fuel filter.
Yup.
Am getting gas.

KA
&SOM

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:38:16 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Toro Trike?

The 1998 edition of the Sturgis Motorcycle rally is going on this week.  They
have a web site at www.sturgis-rally.com.  While looking over the pics posted
for 1998, I saw what appears to be a Toronado powered trike.  I have saved a
copy of the pic and will forward it to those who e-mail me privately.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:38:39 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)

...Will a disk MC work with a drum power booster? scecificly a '66 booster.
...but it seems that the '66 has a smaller diameter booster than later
years.
_________________

Unfortunately, Bob, the early power booster will not accept the later
master cylinder.  Power boosters used with single reservoir master
cylinders (66-earlier) use a longer pushrod than the 67-up boosters.  This
longer pushrod will push the MC piston too far in the relaxed position.
You'll need to use a 67-up booster (drum or disc, it doesn't matter).
While larger in diameter, the later booster _will_ fit (we had to do this
on Tom Simmons' 65 Cutlass).  If you're running a big block, you may need
to use the "notched" valve covers of the later cars to clear.  Actually,
the booster will fit with the un-notched covers, but you will likely have a
problem if you ever need to remove them.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:49:36 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject:
Anybody have the Nitewatch option?

I just recently bought 2 Nitewatch options (I only need one, but they are so
rare...)
and I'm trying to figure out how to connect it. Anyone out there have one
that can
explain how I should go about this? Thanks.

Jeff Cote

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:11:53 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Looking for W-Z 455 Manifolds

Hi,

I'm looking for decent set of W-Z 455 manifolds, you know not a lot of
pitting etc.

If you got some or having any leads please e-mail me privately.

Thanks,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:19:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: All hail Bob Cline!

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>>>What is th # for Desert
Dog?


He has a banner on 442.com, in the Virtual Car Show (1964-72 section).
It lists his email, phone and web site URL.

http://442.com/oldsowners2.html</smaller></fontfamily>


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!

Email: bryceman@442.com

Web: http://442.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:21:50 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

First the good news.  For the first time since the Regan administration
(heck, since his _first_ term!), a 455 has graced the Padavano family
engine stand.  That's unfortunately the extent of the good news.

Frequent readers are asked to overlook the fact that within the record time
of a mere 72 hours, a simple quarter panel replacement and paint job on the
70 W-30  has "mightaswell-ed" into a rebuilt, F-head 455...

A little history on the short block in question.  A long time ago, in a
galaxy far, far away (known as "SoCal"), a young and stupid Oldsmobile
fanatic bought a "1970 W-30" motor from a supposedly knowledgeable and
reputable fellow fanatic.  Said motor (actually a pair of F heads and a
short block which had obviously been rebuilt with 30-over forged TRW L2323
pistons and a nodular MT crank) was subsequently dragged around several
residences in SoCal prior to being shipped to the east coast, where it has
sat, doing a wonderful job of holding down the floor in my basement, since
the movers placed it there 11 years ago.  Keep in mind that I bought the
motor long before I could even spell "VIN derivative".  I subsequently
found out that the block was, in fact, a 71 (31Mxxxxx), but it's still a
desireable "F2" casting, and the nodular crank and forged 10:1 pistons made
it OK.  This isn't a numbers-matching car by any stretch.

In my infinite wisdom, I figured that I can't really work on the body at
night or in the rain (look, they're predicting rain for the weekend), so I
MIGHTASWELL make use of that time rebuilding the motor.  What better time
to install it than while the front fenders are off to weld on patch
panels...

(Astute readers will note the obvious need to detail the frame and firewall
while the engine is out and front clip is off...)

Did I mention that the goal here is to drive the car on the East Coast
Power Tour in mid-October?  But I digress...

I _did_ get to finally christen my engine hoist (Chistmas 96 present)
putting the short block on the stand.  It went downhill pretty fast from
there.  The first thing I noticed (well, aside from 15 years of light rust
in the cylinders which will probably prevent me from reusing the forged
pistons)  was that the block was cracked in the lifter gallery.  It appears
to be non-fatal, as it's a semi-circular crack at the front of the slot
between the lifter banks, just behind the no. 1 cam bearing.  Looks like it
can be ground out without too much impact on block integrity (this is
intended to be primarily a street motor, and a short term one at that).  So
far, so good.

Not wanting to destroy the cylinder walls hammering out the pistons, I
soaked them liberally in WD-40 for a while.  I then started to remove the
rods and pistons, starting with no.7.  So far, so good.  Took off the no 8
cap next, or at least tried to.  Significant persuasion with the rubber
mallet was required.  What should greet my eyes, but the split line for the
rod bearing under the center of the cap.  :-(   This spun bearing had
damaged both the rod and the crank throw, with a significant step on the
journal.  It appears that the crank had already been turned 0.010-0.010, so
I suspect that it's junk.  I'm off to the machine shop today.

But wait, there's more...

At least one bolt in each rod appeared to have its end threads peened down
(_not_ the recommended method of rod or bolt removal) and the no 6 rod had
_hex_ nuts instead of the correct 12-point nuts.  Looks like I (all
together now) MIGHTASWELL get ARP rod bolts...(KA-CHING!)  It also appears
that every throw on the crank has scratch marks that look suspiciously like
rod bolt threads.  And, of course, there's the mix-and-match bolt set on
the main caps.  (Can you say studs?   KA-CHING!)

Finally, upon removing the no 1 piston, I find that the block has been
sleeved!

("...and answers to the name of 'Lucky'...")

The combination of half-@ssed assembly and use of good parts
(aforementioned pistons, Clevite 77 bearings, rubber rear main seal
complete with F*rd part number...) is puzzling.

OK, here are the options for what was supposed to be a cheap, quickie
rebuild.

1)  Providence smiles on me and the bores will clean up with just a hone,
allowing me to resue the pistons.  No. 8 rod can be saved.  Crank, if junk,
gets replaced with the other nodular 4 spd crank I bought from Chris Witt.
All is right with the world and the car gets a feature in Hot Rod as a
result of looking so good on the Power Tour.

2)  Block is junk and I'm forced to use the "68 F" block I had been saving
for my 66 convert.  Pistons must be replaced, and since they're coming off
the rods, I MIGHTASWELL polish the rods and rebalance the whole thing.
This would, of course, lead me to want to do some mild porting on the
heads, which would, in turn, force me to get a JM22-25 cam instead of the
brand new W-30 replacement I had been planning to use.  Oh, and of course,
the adjustable rockers...

3)  I make a run to Leon's this weekend and try to score a 70 455 short
block.

4)  I leave the leaky, creaky early 400 in the car and break down before I
even get to the start of the Power Tour.

Any thoughts?  Anyone have any experience with sleeved blocks?

Thanks for listening.  Sorry for the bandwidth.  I'll keep you posted.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:28:37 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: All hail Bob Cline!

Or you can just go to
http://www.desertdogautoparts.com

hmm, he has a banner on 442.com?   I'll have to check that out, then,
didn't realize it was there

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

>----------
>From: 	Bryceman[SMTP:bryceman@442.com]
>Sent: 	Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:19 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: All hail Bob Cline!
>
>>What is th # for Desert
>Dog?
>
>
>He has a banner on 442.com, in the Virtual Car Show (1964-72 section).
>It lists his email, phone and web site URL.
>
>http://442.com/oldsowners2.html</smaller></fontfamily>
>
>
>Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
>
>Email: bryceman@442.com
>
>Web: http://442.com
>
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:29:33 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

had one 427 chevy that had a sleeve in #1 cyl engine ran good until the
sleeve dropped about a half inch and the rings came out the top well you can
figure out the rest...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:27 AM
Subject: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)


>First the good news.  For the first time since the Regan administration
>(heck, since his _first_ term!), a 455 has graced the Padavano family
>engine stand.  That's unfortunately the extent of the good news.
>
>Frequent readers are asked to overlook the fact that within the record time
>of a mere 72 hours, a simple quarter panel replacement and paint job on the
>70 W-30  has "mightaswell-ed" into a rebuilt, F-head 455...
>
>A little history on the short block in question.  A long time ago, in a
>galaxy far, far away (known as "SoCal"), a young and stupid Oldsmobile
>fanatic bought a "1970 W-30" motor from a supposedly knowledgeable and
>reputable fellow fanatic.  Said motor (actually a pair of F heads and a
>short block which had obviously been rebuilt with 30-over forged TRW L2323
>pistons and a nodular MT crank) was subsequently dragged around several
>residences in SoCal prior to being shipped to the east coast, where it has
>sat, doing a wonderful job of holding down the floor in my basement, since
>the movers placed it there 11 years ago.  Keep in mind that I bought the
>motor long before I could even spell "VIN derivative".  I subsequently
>found out that the block was, in fact, a 71 (31Mxxxxx), but it's still a
>desireable "F2" casting, and the nodular crank and forged 10:1 pistons made
>it OK.  This isn't a numbers-matching car by any stretch.
>
>In my infinite wisdom, I figured that I can't really work on the body at
>night or in the rain (look, they're predicting rain for the weekend), so I
>MIGHTASWELL make use of that time rebuilding the motor.  What better time
>to install it than while the front fenders are off to weld on patch
>panels...
>
>(Astute readers will note the obvious need to detail the frame and firewall
>while the engine is out and front clip is off...)
>
>Did I mention that the goal here is to drive the car on the East Coast
>Power Tour in mid-October?  But I digress...
>
>I _did_ get to finally christen my engine hoist (Chistmas 96 present)
>putting the short block on the stand.  It went downhill pretty fast from
>there.  The first thing I noticed (well, aside from 15 years of light rust
>in the cylinders which will probably prevent me from reusing the forged
>pistons)  was that the block was cracked in the lifter gallery.  It appears
>to be non-fatal, as it's a semi-circular crack at the front of the slot
>between the lifter banks, just behind the no. 1 cam bearing.  Looks like it
>can be ground out without too much impact on block integrity (this is
>intended to be primarily a street motor, and a short term one at that).  So
>far, so good.
>
>Not wanting to destroy the cylinder walls hammering out the pistons, I
>soaked them liberally in WD-40 for a while.  I then started to remove the
>rods and pistons, starting with no.7.  So far, so good.  Took off the no 8
>cap next, or at least tried to.  Significant persuasion with the rubber
>mallet was required.  What should greet my eyes, but the split line for the
>rod bearing under the center of the cap.  :-(   This spun bearing had
>damaged both the rod and the crank throw, with a significant step on the
>journal.  It appears that the crank had already been turned 0.010-0.010, so
>I suspect that it's junk.  I'm off to the machine shop today.
>
>But wait, there's more...
>
>At least one bolt in each rod appeared to have its end threads peened down
>(_not_ the recommended method of rod or bolt removal) and the no 6 rod had
>_hex_ nuts instead of the correct 12-point nuts.  Looks like I (all
>together now) MIGHTASWELL get ARP rod bolts...(KA-CHING!)  It also appears
>that every throw on the crank has scratch marks that look suspiciously like
>rod bolt threads.  And, of course, there's the mix-and-match bolt set on
>the main caps.  (Can you say studs?   KA-CHING!)
>
>Finally, upon removing the no 1 piston, I find that the block has been
>sleeved!
>
>("...and answers to the name of 'Lucky'...")
>
>The combination of half-@ssed assembly and use of good parts
>(aforementioned pistons, Clevite 77 bearings, rubber rear main seal
>complete with F*rd part number...) is puzzling.
>
>OK, here are the options for what was supposed to be a cheap, quickie
>rebuild.
>
>1)  Providence smiles on me and the bores will clean up with just a hone,
>allowing me to resue the pistons.  No. 8 rod can be saved.  Crank, if junk,
>gets replaced with the other nodular 4 spd crank I bought from Chris Witt.
>All is right with the world and the car gets a feature in Hot Rod as a
>result of looking so good on the Power Tour.
>
>2)  Block is junk and I'm forced to use the "68 F" block I had been saving
>for my 66 convert.  Pistons must be replaced, and since they're coming off
>the rods, I MIGHTASWELL polish the rods and rebalance the whole thing.
>This would, of course, lead me to want to do some mild porting on the
>heads, which would, in turn, force me to get a JM22-25 cam instead of the
>brand new W-30 replacement I had been planning to use.  Oh, and of course,
>the adjustable rockers...
>
>3)  I make a run to Leon's this weekend and try to score a 70 455 short
>block.
>
>4)  I leave the leaky, creaky early 400 in the car and break down before I
>even get to the start of the Power Tour.
>
>Any thoughts?  Anyone have any experience with sleeved blocks?
>
>Thanks for listening.  Sorry for the bandwidth.  I'll keep you posted.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:49:09 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

d*mn joe, that's some pretty incredible stuff you dealt with.

i have sleeves in the #1 and #2 cylinders in my 455.  no problems with
sleeves!!!  now, remember that my 72 442 is NOT a race car, but engine
is built a tad better than stock.  it may be a different story, though,
if you have sleeves in say #1,3,5 and 7 - i'm not sure about that.
someone else on this server will let you know i'm sure.

there's a leon's in culpepper, va that i go to.  is this where you're
going???


Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> 3)  I make a run to Leon's this weekend and try to score a 70 455 short
> block.
>
> 4)  I leave the leaky, creaky early 400 in the car and break down before I
> even get to the start of the Power Tour.
>
> Any thoughts?  Anyone have any experience with sleeved blocks?
>
> Thanks for listening.  Sorry for the bandwidth.  I'll keep you posted.

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:08:45 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?

In a message dated 98-08-05 20:28:32 EDT, you write:

<< 3gm >>

Does this mean Oldsmobile now?

Hah!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:19:28 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

>there's a leon's in culpepper, va that i go to.  is this where you're
>going???

Actually,

Leon's in in Leon, Va if you look into it. Owned by Leon too I think.
Realistically it's in Culpepper of course.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:18:24 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk again...  Right here, right now

In a message dated 98-07-16 22:49:29 EDT, you write:

<< Need I say more?  :)
 http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm >>

Now cleaning up the old Emailbox.

And,

Since I found out new job not paying OT (this week only?).....
(40 hours pay)

I will happen to arrive there late in order to spend more time chatting.
Qs to the above will be answered on #Rockettalk.

Read y'all later!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Smokey- Fixed

Problem solved... seems the rocker poly nut on the intake valve on #8
(why does it always have to be #8) came loose  and the rocker and the nut
were lying next to the valve spring.. ran like a bandit as a 7
banger..anyway since the intake valve was not opening the vacumn on the
intake stroke was sucking small amounts of oil past the rings...ergo smoke
a set of new poly locks and more muscle and we are back in business..the
Harland Sharp rocker took a few dings but some judicious grinding and all
is well..

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:35:51 EDT
From: <TORO1968@aol.com>
Subject: Re: FE3X

I'd also like some pics!!

- -Jordan Panich
TORO1968@aol.com

1968 Toronado
2-1978 Toronados
1998 88 LS

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:38:15 -0000
From: "erik HILL" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Master Larry has the best "kung-fu" ?

apparently, Master Larry's  KUNG-FU is best, and quickest !!!

thanks
erik

- ----------
> From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: who has the best "kung-fu" ?
> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:55 AM
>
>
>
> 2g3gm51a8h2338893
>
>
> 2  Built in Canada
> G  General Motors
> 3  Oldsmobile
> GM Cutlass Supreme Brougham Sedan
>    G is the car line and M is the sales vin code
> 5  Four Door
> 1  Manual Belts
> A  3.8 Liter (231) 2BBL. V-6
> 8  Manual calls this Check Digit (Don't know what that means)
> H  Model Year 1987
> 2  Ste. Theresa, Quebec
> 338893  Production Number Starting at 300001
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:42:02 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: more disk-brake conversion questions (beating the dead horse)

>
>Unfortunately, Bob, the early power booster will not accept the later
>master cylinder.  Power boosters used with single reservoir master
>cylinders (66-earlier) use a longer pushrod than the 67-up boosters.  This
>longer pushrod will push the MC piston too far in the relaxed position.
>You'll need to use a 67-up booster (drum or disc, it doesn't matter).

Thanks joe .

>While larger in diameter, the later booster _will_ fit (we had to do this
>on Tom Simmons' 65 Cutlass).  If you're running a big block, you may need
>to use the "notched" valve covers of the later cars to clear.  Actually,
>the booster will fit with the un-notched covers, but you will likely have a
>problem if you ever need to remove them.
>
luckily I'm still playing with the small blocks.
__
Bob.
'66 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Rocket Talk again...

> Since I found out new job not paying OT (this week only?).....
> (40 hours pay)

Well, we've got another one set up for tonight (Man, is it Thursday again
~already~???)   Unfortunately, we've got a fair booth set up, (fair's going on
now) and my job ~does~ pay OT, and needs us all there till late...  So, I'll
miss most of tonights, again.  With any luck, I might catch a few of you after
the fair closes, though...  Maybe

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm

Everyone else have fun there!

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:20:56 +0000
From: bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
Subject: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement

Okay guys, here's on for those of us running exhaust manifolds.  I am
going to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets on my Oldsmobile.  I
have done this in the past on other cars but on my truck it kept
leaking even after having the manifolds planed at a machine shop.
What is the best way to ensure that they don't leak?  Is there
anything I can put on them or do I simply assume the will seal
without any leakage?

Jim Brady

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:39:38 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement

well you could use a header gasket instead of the sill little ex man gaskets
or you could use a little rtv copper from permatex or you could use the
copper seal gaskets from mr gasket they are expensive but seem to last they
are made of soft copper for crushability....kk
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From: bradyiii@shore.intercom.net <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 10:20 AM
Subject: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement


Okay guys, here's on for those of us running exhaust manifolds.  I am
going to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets on my Oldsmobile.  I
have done this in the past on other cars but on my truck it kept
leaking even after having the manifolds planed at a machine shop.
What is the best way to ensure that they don't leak?  Is there
anything I can put on them or do I simply assume the will seal
without any leakage?

Jim Brady

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:56:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: production number question

Does anyone have any information as to how many 98 hearses were produced
in 1971 and 1972.


Thanks Much,

    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:08:17 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold gasket replacement

I have had great success using the exhaust joint sealer sold by NAPA.  I have
used it to coat both sides of header gaskets and exhaust manifold gaskets.  It
will fill any small areas and ensure a good seal.  I like the thin metal/fiber
gaskets (the ones that come with most  Felpro, McCord, etc type sets) with the
sealer for any exhaust manifold or header to cylinder head seal.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:24:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: SX for sale

On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 TomW30@aol.com wrote:
>    This ad appeared in my local (Connecticut) paper:
>
>    '70 Olds Cutlass SX
>     Original car with rebuilt 455, TH400 trans, 12 bolt rear, no rust or 
dents
>      $2000 (or best offer) 203-238-0262

Just curious, anyone call on this yet? Sounds like a heckuva deal.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:47:25 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: timing chain help

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TIA=20
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Developer
Digital Motorworks
Austin TX
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:51:35 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: SX for sale

>>    This ad appeared in my local (Connecticut) paper:
>>
>>    '70 Olds Cutlass SX
>>     Original car with rebuilt 455, TH400 trans, 12 bolt rear, no rust or
>>dents
>>      $2000 (or best offer) 203-238-0262
>
>Just curious, anyone call on this yet? Sounds like a heckuva deal.

Not I but, good thing I don't live closer otherwise I would give it
serious consideration.

Although the mother-in-law does live in Torrington ... and I know she
would like to see her daughter ...

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:58:26 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: 68 Cutlass/4-4-2 spotted

So I'm sitting here at work when I decided to get up and stretch.  I
stand up, turn around to look out the window and what do I see parking
in the lot .... a 68 Cutlass.  So I decide I need to take a look.  I
take a couple things out to my truck (anything for an excuse to look at
it) and I walk over to it and it isn't a Cutlass at all but ... a 68
4-4-2 sports coupe.  Very nice too.  Burgandy, black bucket int w/ auto
console, rear antenna, SSII, front drums.  It is a very solid and nice
example of a classic musclecar.  Just a little interior work/detailing
and it would be a great show car ... granted it's a very good one right
now.  Anyway, just thought I'd share this everyone.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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