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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 4 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1404



FOR SALE: 71 Cut Sup Convert
Re: Union, IL: Good Time Had by All
Re: bugs in the HEI?????
Re: A good day
dual hump trans crossmembers
Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
I NEED R I M S ! ! !
Re: Garage Stuff help
Re: Bad luck
Re: O.A.I. Filter Trivia
Addco Swaybars Phone?
RE: Car Shows
Re:  Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O
Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O
Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O
I give up.
Re: Loose Torque Converter Bolts
Re: Painting front grill
Re: Bad luck
Re: Cool Can
Re: Cool Can
Re: Car Shows
Re: Cool Can  (also non-Olds. delete now)
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
Re: Addco Swaybars Phone?
Re: Bad luck
Re: I give up.
RE: Car Shows
Paging Erik Hill
Re: I give up.
Re: A good day
Re: 403 crank and rods
Re: Oldsmobile History Center
SOM's fuel-bladder control problem
Re: Sorry, Copy of what I was worked up about, Will do better
Re: New Olsmobilia purchase
Re: Loose Torque Converter Bolts
Re: A good day
Re: Garage Stuff help
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
Anyone recognize this hood?????
Paging Jim Chermac
Re: Web Links & Pics
Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O
Big Block AC brackets...
[Fwd: 72/442/W30 F/S]
Re: UNBOUNCE: '59 Manual Info Needed
Re: Pontiac Talk
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
Re: I give up.
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
Re: Bad luck
Re: I give up.
oldsmobile 442
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!
UNBOUNCE: ISO '69 4-4-2 Front Clip
F/S in Cincinnati area
Re:
Electronic Circuit Design Needed
my baby
Surface Rust Removal
Re: Bad luck
Re:  Anyone recognize this hood?????
G-body dash removal?
Re: G-body dash removal?
Re: G-body dash removal?
Re: G-body dash removal?

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:49:17 -0600
From: "Timothy P. Urban" <455@clbs.k12.mn.us>
Subject: FOR SALE: 71 Cut Sup Convert

Hello all:

I have decided to part with my 71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, I am asking
$8,900.
It is medium-dark blue in color (I forget which name exactly).

It can still be found on my web site at
http://www.northernnet.com/urban/urban.html

It has a 455 with Muncie 4-spd, headers, 2.5 inch exhaust, 4 core radiator,
Torker Intake, Carb Shop Stage II reworked Q-jet,
3.23 posi rear-end, rear sway bar, sport wheel,
3 - autometer gauges, water temp, oil press, vaccuum.

I am located in Bemidji, Minnesota.
Please respond to me directly, and not the list.

Thanks!

Tim





Timothy P. Urban
Technology Coordinator
ISD #115, Cass Lake-Bena Schools
urban@clbs.k12.mn.us
(218) 335-2203 wk
(218) 759-2842 hm

http://www.clbs.k12.mn.us/urban/urban.html

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:02:29 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Union, IL: Good Time Had by All

> Who, me?  I was there, honest :-)  I actually got lost
> inside the SF FP-45 for a couple of hours, that must be
> why you missed me. :-)

For those who don't know, an FP-45 is a Diesel engine
approximately the size of Cleveland. The rail museum was
giving tours inside. Jeff should have brought his car in;
that way when he got lost inside the train he could have
driven around until he found the exit. Take a look:
http://www.irm.org/pictures/600/92atsf01.jpg

Talk about Big Boys' Toys...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:47:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: bugs in the HEI?????

Pardon me if I'm wasting your time. I came in late on this thread, so maybe
somebody has given definitive information and.......

Anyway, I had a very similar problem with a 1984 model of another GM make.
In my case, the problem was associated with some knock sensor circuit and
was only resolved by wiring around this. A local garage had some experience
with these problems & had no trouble fixing it.

We did have a h*ll of a problem diagnosing it, 'cause it only did it when
hot . Every time I took it to a garage, everything worked fine. One hot day,
out of frustration, I took it to my favorite garage, left the engine runnig
with the A/C on, until finally it started missing & died.

The only problem I've had since bypassing this circuit is that I have to use
premium  or mid-grade fuel in a vehicle that I didn't formerly. Given the
alternatives, though,  my $4 fix was a hell of a deal.

May you be so fortunate.

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:36:28 EDT
From: <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: A good day

In a message dated 98-08-03 01:39:51 EDT, you write:

<< Are the diameters of the two
 filters the same?  How about the height? >>


Joe -

I had a K&N air filter that I used in the cleaner on my 71 SX (non-OAI) that
was about 1/2" too tall for the OAI cleaner in my 70 SX.

Tom

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:49:36 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: dual hump trans crossmembers

I currently have two in my garage awaiting a buyer or two.

If interested, contact me privately at mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu.
Thanks.
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
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http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:53 EDT
From: <Z28442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

Who did you fund that made the Ram Air Hoods?

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:43:40 -0700
From: "David Seiver - Account Executive" <DavidS@AnaServe.com>
Subject: I NEED R I M S ! ! !

Doesn't ANYONE know where I can get a used or lower priced set of American
racing torq-thrust d or torq-thrust II 15"x8" or 15"x10" rims????????
HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP!!!

David Seiver
Account Representative
AnaServe, Inc. - The Future of Web Hosting
Voice: 1-800-711-6030 ext. 283
Fax: 714.250.7265
e-mail: davids@anaserve.com
Web: http://www.anaservehosting.com

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:13:55 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Stuff help

 looking for radio knobs 70-2

also face for am-fm..70-2

jeff

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:27:52 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Bad luck

Chris,

I know a real good deterrent - military-issue Colt .45 works real well,
especially if it's directed at their car in rapid succession.  Seriously, once
I had some kids throw rocks through the front windows of my house.
Mysteriously, later that week their parents car wound up with 4 valvestems
(cut off) left on the hood of their car.  And would you believe those little
snot-suckers never walk down my street anymore?

Strange coincidence................

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:42:29 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: O.A.I. Filter Trivia

Joe,

Don't know what number the filter is, but I have had some in the past that
were for the 350 Diesel that also had the pre-filter on them.  I used those on
the stock car before I got the K&N and remember that these were 4" tall, I
think.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:44:35 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Addco Swaybars Phone?

Anybody have the phone number for Addco in FLA?

I ordered a rear sway bar for the 98 years ago and like it, but now need
one for the Starfire.

thanks!

cf

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:44:33 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Car Shows

We had a small show (130 vehicles) in my town this weekend. My neighbor
who's a member of the club that put it on, asked me to show the 66 98
conv. as part of it.

This showing bit was a first for me.

I thought it could be fun to connect with some of the locals and see if
anyone out my way had the Olds mutant gene. There were 4 of us. Two
mid-50's extra perfect
Starfire convertibles, my 98 and a 2 door 65 Delta 88 hardtop. For my
money the 88 was the standout. The current owner had ordered it new in
65 with a 4 speed,
deleted the clock so the space could hold a tach, manual steering and a
3.42 gear. Original gray mist paint, very nice. Manual brakes too. What
a funky combination
for an Olds. But original, so it got my attention. I think we can safely
assume it's pretty quick.

Other standouts -- a terrific 64 Etype roadster from Napa red/black, a
bunch of 356 P*rsches and the requisite M*stangs and Tbirds.

Overall I came away with no great need to stand out in the hot (100
degree, but dry) sun for 6 hours. Lucky I brought my paper and had a
beer along the way.

I don't think I executed this too well. Do others of you have tricks to
make these events more fun? Or did I just resent giving up _all_ of my
Sunday too much?

What I'm saying is I think I could make it fun, I'm just not sure what
I'd do differently next time. Other than attend for a couple of hours
and not show.

Suggestions?
TIA,
cf

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:53:04 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O

Had mine rebuilt locally for $150., just last week it's working really well
and a big improvement in the mpg.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:58:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O

- ---Gilbert Russell <russellg@ezol.com> wrote:
  I went to the local parts store and was informed that a rebuilt carb
for my baby would cost 500.00.

   I got a guy who hops up our carbs as well as a rebuild for about
$40 + kit.Where are you?
        John
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73--http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof--307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:01:27 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O

i'm 17 and up until about 4 months ago i had no expierience with carbs then
the quadrajet on my blazer started leaking gas  from the pump lever at first i
thought of replacing it then i figured i'd rebuild to save money i spent 16$
for a complete rebuild kit and spent a couple of dollars for carb cleaner
after a total of 4 hours total including disconnecting and color coding all
the connections so i would have an easier time reconnecting every thing and
putting the carb back on i found it fairly easy to do it just takes time and
patience to do the job right if you choose to rebuild and have any questions
just email me at hoffax181@aol.com

James
84 Olds Delta 88 Royale

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:59:27 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: I give up.

Last week after finaly getting my "new" 455 in my daily driver (80cutlass 2d
t-top) AND geting it to work properly (the holly tbi was a pain in the ass) i
was driving to work when i said hello and kissed a vw golf :-( and goodby to my
olds :-(( . well I gues its my own foult (80km speed limit not 160km) Butt it
didnt have to burn goddam. well nobody got hurt (other than the golf and MY
olds) going to by a friends diesel pick up and use my mony the f85. NO MORE 
OLDS
DAILY DRIVERS

TJP

80 cutlass 2d t-top   R.I.P
69 f85  2d 455 th400
80 Che*y pick up   ---son to be...

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:49:16 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Loose Torque Converter Bolts

uh......with a wrench......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Loose Torque Converter Bolts


>How would you tighten loose torque convt bolts?
>
>Ed
>
>On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, The Viking wrote:
>
>>
>> Someone is the not to distant past posted some info on loose torque
>> converter bolts and the symptoms.. Please e-mail me directly;. I Seem to
>> have some thunking noise from the general area of the converter but only
>> at idle and in gear..Thanks
>>
>> Al Varhus
>> Columbus, Ohio
>> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
>> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>>   Gem City Rockets
>>
>>
>>

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Painting front grill

- ---"Robert F. Newbegin Jr." <senator@itis.com> wrote:
>
> The paint on the front grill of my '78 CS is chipping off.  If I was
to
> pull the grill and paint the entire thing (including the chrome),
would
> that look horrible?  Or should I mask off the chrome part.  I
thought it
> might look kind of cool with the gunmetal grey custom paint job.
> Any input?
>
> Oh, yeah, any suggestions for paint brands/primers/paint strippers?
>
> Bob         '78 CS
>
> Hey Bob,
      Just be careful, that "blackout" treatment gets to be a
habit,yea It definately will look good,Of course thats just my
opinion,but I think a little of the "blackout disease" has rubbed off
on a couple of our list guys(gals).
          Later,John
>

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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73--http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof--307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:58:25 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Bad luck

big fence, barbed wire, big guys with guns patrolling at irregular
intervals, sonic motion detectors that alert you to the presence of anything
bigger than a large dog, or just ask the guy what his problem is in the
presence of your local police officer then do all of the above as deemed
necessary...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Bad luck


>Mr Ada wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any.  This weekend a
>> neighbor, I am very sure
>> it was, vandalized my beloved Frosty.  On my passenger side rear quarter
>> panel I found a
>> very deep gash.  Enough to bend the metal in a little.  There are also
>> some other scratches which I think can be buffed out.  I've got the
>> police in on this and hopefully they can do
>> something about it.  They didn't believe me a week ago that this guy
>> threatened to do damage
>> to my personal property.
>>
>> It sure bummed me since people just can't keep their hands off my car!
>> Does anyone know of any deterrent devices that will keep people away?
>> I am getting fed up with all this
>> repairing I keep doing.
>
>About the only ones I know of are:
>
>1.  Move
>2.  Buy the expletive deleted's house
>3.  Install a 24 hour camera to record transgressions
>4.  .357 Magnum appropriately loaded, placed, aimed and unloaded
>5.  Stay up all night watching over your baby with item #4
>
>The above are put forth with tongue in cheek.  I know EXACTLY how you
>feel though.  I think the guy that lived next door to me about ten years
>ago took a hammer and broke out the windshield in my 72 Hurst because he
>didn't like it sitting out in front of my house in it's "rusted and run
>down" condition.  Really sure that is what happened but couldn't prove
>it.  The guy was an idiot.  Good luck.

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:59:44 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Cool Can

used to use one on a drag car seemed to help prevent vapor lock
but didnt make a noticable difference in performance...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:26 AM
Subject: Cool Can


>Is their anybody out there who uses the cool can to keep their gas cool?
>Does it make a noticeable difference?
>======================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>>1971 Cutlass S 455
>>Westside! Chitown IL
>13 Wins 10 Losses
>======================
>

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:00:58 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Cool Can

the car screamed because of cold hands all that ice...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Cool Can


>In a message dated 8/3/98, 1:27:13 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
><<Is their anybody out there who uses the cool can to keep their gas cool?
>Does it make a noticeable difference?>>
>I had the moroso can in mine. i noticed a major difference, the car
screamed.
>Want to buy it. :)

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:18:29 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows

Hey Chris!
    Drink more beer!
                                          Ron Forsee
                                          65 442-Meister

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:02:33 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Cool Can  (also non-Olds. delete now)

cold hands...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Cool Can (also non-Olds. delete now)


>In a message dated 98-08-03 13:59:42 EDT, you write:
>
><< the car screamed. >>
>
>Why?
>What did you do?

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:19:51 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

Long post, short answer.  Go back to ROTM parts store and get a tubing
cutter if you do not already have one.  Excise rotted section of fuel line
and section in rubber fuel line.  You  need only to snug the new hose
clamps, as this is a low pressure situation.  Be appraised that the tubing
tool should have an ability to ream out the afflicted steel tube ends.
Start unit, test (observe) for leaks.  Note: not a good venue for smoking.
Peter.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Addco Swaybars Phone?

- ---Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com> wrote:
>
> Anybody have the phone number for Addco in FLA?
>
> I ordered a rear sway bar for the 98 years ago and like it, but now
need
> one for the Starfire.
>
> thanks!
>
> cf
> Yo Chris,
     Hows this for service: http://www.addcoindustries.com/
     later,John

==
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1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73--http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof--307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:21:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Bad luck

big fence, barbed wire,etc, etc...kk
_________________

Sorry, but this brings to mind the story (which I'm sure Andy Green will
prove is an urban myth) of the Porsche Turbo which was stolen from inside a
locked enclosure with cement block fences...

I think the saying goes somethink like fences keeping honest people
honest...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:33:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: I give up.

Trond,

I'm so sorry to hear about your incident. Hope it doesn't turn you off
the hobby. And I hope you had insurance at least to take away some of the
pain. My condolences...


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:41:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: Car Shows

On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Chris Fair wrote:
> I don't think I executed this too well. Do others of you have tricks to
> make these events more fun? Or did I just resent giving up _all_ of my
> Sunday too much?

I dunno... I always find showing the car to be a mixture of good and bad
to be honest. The good is getting the compliments on the car, or even
better, overhearing people say things they didn't really expect you to
hear. And sometimes there are cars you haven't seen before that grab you,
and you can meet some interesting people.

But the downside is that they are usually hot days, with no shade. You
have to bring a lawn chair and even better, maybe a patio umbrella. A
cooler with drinks is always recommended. I usually manage to forget this.
:( Then there are the other sorts of people you meet... the ones who think
they know more about your car than you do (you wouldn't believe how many
people think I painted my air cleaner red just because it's cool, not
because Olds did it that way originally), and the ones that rub their baby
carriages against your car. All in all, some days shows are a drag. I
usually do no more than 4 or 5 shows a year. Last year I think I did one,
this year I'm up a bit. Like a lot of things in life, moderation is the
key... :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paging Erik Hill

sorry gang!
    Erik,I lost your E-mail address,can you contact me ?
      John



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1984 Cutlass-Moonroof--307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:57:47 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: I give up.

Trond,

Sorry to hear about the mishap.  Don't let the insurance co. get the
best of you.  My condolences...

Don't give up, maybe you'll be back.

Hope for the best,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  "The BEAST" LUXURY LINER in progress
'88 Festiva  "ZIPPY" 164K+@ 40 mpg, neeed I say more.


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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:58:36 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: A good day

Joe Padavano wrote:
>
> I set out this morning on a drive to central PA to snag some parts advertised
> on Bryceman's classified page.

Joe,

Just curious who this person was and where he was located.  Ad gave no
clues.  Think you'll be up for our fall show again next month?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:57:31 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 403 crank and rods

Tim

        All the 330 cars were forged cranks. These can be placed in a 350 as
long as you use the early flywheel or flexplate. These make little screamers
out of the 350.

Jim Chermack

At 08:19 PM 8/2/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>was wondering if someone may know what years of the small block olds
contained a steel crank? And were there any that had steel rods in them.
Also which small block motor would have a reasonable stout cam.  Thanks Tim
Wurtz
>

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:09:17 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile History Center

JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:

> I can't confirm but a guy at GE told me that GM planned to change the name of
> Oldsmobile to the Aurora Division by the year 2000. Anybody else hear this?
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 Conv.

Can't confirm this either, but at a car show yesterday, a fellow chapter
member told me he had heard that GM was holding a meeting today do
decide whether or not to discontinue the Aurora due to poor sales...

Paul
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Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:09:50 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: SOM's fuel-bladder control problem

< < < S N I P > > >

OK, seems everyone has pointed Karl to a tubing cutter.  Worth it's weight in
Olds parts (better than gold)  The problem is that when he cuts open the
line....  Bigger fuel leak.  Now, I'm not too familiar with the mid 60's (If 
you
can remember, you ~weren't~ there, right?) but I'd suspect the steel line out 
of
the tank will have a rubber link between it and the frame's fuel line.  This
would make a good point to put a clamp, to seal off the tank.  Start the car 
and
let run a bit, should get most of the excess out of the line.  THEN, you should
be able to cut away.  Use your own judgement as to the nature of the damage.  
If
it's corroded, you'd want to replace as much as possible.  If it's ripped by
mechanical abrasion, etc, then you'd be fine to just section it out.  Might 
make
a good spot for an auxilliary filter?  Maybe not.  Or, you can wrap a chunk of
hose around the hole, and clamp it down, and run the car for a while, until 
tank
is reasonably empty...  Depending on your time schedule, that may be an option
for you.

Good luck!

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:12:16 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Sorry, Copy of what I was worked up about, Will do better

- ----------
> Subject:
> Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:44 PM
>
> Thanks for reply, what I need is a guard for a 75 350 Eng. a/c
compressor,
> keeps the belt and clutch assy. from rubbing on the suction hose. Mine
> cracked and is hanging down. Not a common item, looked about everywhere.
Do
> not know if other models use the same thing. It is a piece of stamped
sheet
> metal, attaches with two bolts to the compressor housing. It's almost
> quarter moon shaped. I drive the car everyday and hate to lose the hose
and
> the freon. Car is nice with 59000 orig miles on it. Close to "A" show
> condition
> Thanks again,
> Lou

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:16:09 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: New Olsmobilia purchase

> what fun is it in a box????????...kk

> >soon...  The infamous Hurst Hairy Olds  :)  Wahoo!!!   Still unopenned...

Heh heh...  Turns out the guy has two, and offered both.  One new, (at less 
than
retail $$$,:) and another already assembled :)  At just over new cost.  Not
bad.  Probably get both, just cuz.  Not really that rare yet (I think they're
both the 95 release) but someday they will be, and more of a collectible than
anything else I've got.

Really cool and coincedental, just got the new Hot Rod, quite a bit of Olds
stuff in this one, ~including~ a writeup on the Hurst Hairy Olds model :)  Way
too cool!

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:13:39 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Loose Torque Converter Bolts

At 12:38 PM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>How would you tighten loose torque convt bolts?
>
>
they are pretty easy to get to. pull down the converter shield
and they are right there. there are 3 of them, so you will have to rotate
the engine to get them all. I think they need to be torqued to 35 ft/lbs

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:26:13 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: A good day

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> Joe,

Sorry folks.  That one was supposed to be private.  Remembered to cut,
forgot to paste.  Duh...

Paul
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Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:25:57 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Garage Stuff help

No knobs
Well just my noeghbors
But I am sure you weren't speaking of that type of Knob

And sorry no face plates

Good luck in your hunt

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Garage Stuff help
> Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:13 PM
>
>  looking for radio knobs 70-2
>
> also face for am-fm..70-2
>
> jeff

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:22:01 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

>And the question is:
>
>What is the best way to cut a steel fuel line (yah. with fuel inside!) to get
>a 3/8 ID hose over the end without immolating myself, my car, my steel toed
>boots, the house, the garage, br'er Fox, br'er Bear, Peter Rabbit........????
>
jack up only the side of the car with the fuel line.
Unscrew as many of the  fuel line holders so you can and pull the line away
from the frame and use one of those mini tubing cutters (they only need
about a inch
to use). you shouldn't loose much fuel.

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:33:10 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Anyone recognize this hood?????

Hinted about it yesterday, here's a picture:

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oddhood.htm

It looks like Pontiac stuff.  Don't know.  Need to...  Thanks :)



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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:41:17 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Paging Jim Chermac

Hey Still Interested In THE Car

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:10:47 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Web Links & Pics

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:
>
> ...http://www.musclecars.net/
>
> which has all sorts of musclecar pictures including:
>
> http://www.musclecars.net/Archive/Cars/GMC/Oldsmobile/442/71/uncut/0001.jpg
> _________
>
> Cool web site, but unfortunately their "71" 442 is really a 72 - or else it
> has the wrong grilles.
>
> Joe Padavano

Wrong grilles ~and~ headlight bezels.
I e-mailed the webmaster months ago about that and the fact that a '68
H/O was called a 442.  Guess they don't care.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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*****************************************************

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:08:57 -0400
From: Steve Hall <shall@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet Rebuild 84 H/O

If you have some patience and feel mechanically inclined, there is a
great book on Rochester carbs that covers rebuilds from the earlier
models through the computer controlled versions.  It's published by HP
booksand costs around $20.
The name is "Rochester Carburetors".  Call 1-800-421-0892 if you can't
find it in the bookstore.

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:12:41 -0400
From: Tom Millard <oldspwr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Big Block AC brackets...

I am currently working on putting a 455 in my 84 Chevy 4X4.  I mocked up
the engine yesterday to check all the brackets and bolts, etc, and realized
that the AC brackets I had were from a small block.  The rear bracket bolts
on the head with 3 bolts and the front bracket bolts to two of the water
pump bolts.  The small block brackets bolt on fine but the mounting holes
for the compressor do not line up due to the difference in blocks.

Does anybody have the correct brackets for the compressor on a big block???
 (The compressor is the later style design.)  I had these at one time but
they dissapperaed.  Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks...

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Cruiser
84 Silverado 4WD - 455 Olds powered (soon...)

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:30:39 -0400
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 72/442/W30 F/S]

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:42:59 -0600
From: Jancan <jancan@cybersurf.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '59 Manual Info Needed

what infodo you need, i have manuals, but they are for my car,but i can give
you any info you need.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Not on the list; respond to jel@netvalue.net if you can assist.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Jerry Longstrom" <jel@netvalue.net>
> Subject: 59 olds Dynamic 88 info
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for a manual for a 59 Olds Dynamic 88.
> I have a friend in Sweden who needs one and needs the info from one asap.
> She is trying to title the car there next Monday.  I need to fax her some
> info.  If she can not get the info by Monday she has to wait a month!!
> I would like to buy a manual and also have someone fax info to me asap.
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry Longstrom
> Peoria, Arizona - 85381
> jel@netvalue.net
> fax 602-878-2892

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:52:37 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Pontiac Talk

here,here.I agree. NO more junk thats not Olds related.

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:

> To All List Members,
>
>         I have to have my peace and say this. ENOUGH of the PONTIAC stuff.
> This is an Olds list. If you want to talk the "P" cars go to their list. I
> don't mind the occasional 403 T/A questions but there has been way too much
> of the BS Firebird crap on this list. I'm sorry if this offends anybody
> taking part in the exchange, but there's a reason this is a Olds list. Now
> that I'm off my soap box. Sorry to all others.
>
> Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:57:10 -0500
From: "Jim and Pat Juon" <jimpat@netins.net>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

Use a vacuum cleaner, putting the suction hose in the filler tube.  Seal
around it the best you can.  This will keep the gas from running out the
line when you cut it.
>
> What is the best way to cut a steel fuel line (yah. with fuel inside!) to
get
> a 3/8 ID hose over the end without immolating myself, my car, my steel
toed
> boots, the house, the garage, br'er Fox, br'er Bear, Peter
Rabbit........????
>
> I have tentatively planned to use metal shears (tested on a 5"
nail....seems
> appropriate tool...), a pair of pliers and metal punch (to reopen from
semi-
> pinched-shut the steel tubing and re-round it for flow...) and of course
the
> tubing.
>
> My Q 2 U 'all is: what would you do and why?
>
> Assume it is a rush job.
> And yes, I can prolly drain the tank via a not-so-different arrangement
(hose
> patch between pre-existing steel tubing) on the front of the car.
>
> Just will not be able to manage more than 8 gallons or so.....
>
> And uh, thanks.
> I cannot stress how important this is to me right now.
>
> Incidentally, on 2GV carbs, where on the engine is the vacc source?
> Assume you cannot use a sub-intake manifold part.
>
> Thanks much.
> KA
> & SOM_______

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:14:20 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: Re: I give up.

what do you mean ur car is totalled theres no way a bug can do that its a
piece of plastic dam foreign cars shouldn't be on the road if it can't get out
of the way of an american beast

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:15:16 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

> Use a vacuum cleaner, putting the suction hose in the filler tube.

NO!!!  Be ~very~ forewarned if you try this.  Remember what you're sucking up
with the vacuum cleaner...  Gas vapor - ~very~ explosive.  Remember what you're
using for the process:  A vacuum cleaner -- an electrical appliance with no
appreciable spark preventatives in the motor.  Do you really want all your
gasoline vapors floating around that electrical motor???  Be cautious!


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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:18:10 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Bad luck

Do you have a garage?  Thats the only option I can give you that will detere
anyone who would mess with you car. I'm having the same problem with my car
parked on my driveway..IE All four taillites stolen, then my car cover.
Pisses me off that people can't leave stuff alone thats not theirs. You work
hard to buy nice things, and some piece of s*it steals it. Pisses me off.
just my .02 cents

Mr Ada wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Well if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any.  This weekend a
> neighbor, I am very sure
> it was, vandalized my beloved Frosty.  On my passenger side rear quarter
> panel I found a
> very deep gash.  Enough to bend the metal in a little.  There are also
> some other scratches which I think can be buffed out.  I've got the
> police in on this and hopefully they can do
> something about it.  They didn't believe me a week ago that this guy
> threatened to do damage
> to my personal property.
>
> It sure bummed me since people just can't keep their hands off my car!
> Does anyone know of any deterrent devices that will keep people away?
> I am getting fed up with all this
> repairing I keep doing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:24:18 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: I give up.

> what do you mean ur car is totalled theres no way a bug can do that

I do believe the word "fire" was alluded to.  (cringe)  The dreaded F word.  My
highest condolences.

One note of reassurance.  Often, with engine fires, most of the bottom end is
still OK.  Probably lose the carb and maybe intake.  Fuel pump and minor
accessories, as well.  But the biggest majority of the engine may well still be
fine.  As with other hard parts, axles, tranny (maybe) etc.  If the insurance
company is involved, it's probably better (cuz no insurance sucks at times like
that.  If you don't have coverage for that damage, take comfort in the fact 
that
you've probably still got that new 455.  Best of luck to you and your next 
ride.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:17:42 -0500
From: "Cindy A Perez" <CINDPREZ@prodigy.net>
Subject: oldsmobile 442

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:34:05 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

[Use a vacuum cleaner, putting the suction hose in the filler tube.  Seal
around it the best you can.  This will keep the gas from running out the line
when you cut it.]

Sorry, I gotta disagree with this one.  Gasoline fumes/electric motor, not a
good mix.  All it would take was one spark..................

No personal flame (or pun) intended, just hate to see someone injured,
especially after working around the Kansas University Medical Center's burn
unit during my high school years.  And don't want to hear about a B.O.O.M.
where S.O.M. used to be!

Take Care Out There (please!)

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:53:28 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!

Yeah.  And after all, just sealing the tank opening (and vent lines), would
produce the same vacuum effect after a bit of fuel drained out of the cut
line.  Duct tape over the fuel cap opening, and clamp the vapor return?
- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Problem....solutio...DOH!....Big Problem!!!


>[Use a vacuum cleaner, putting the suction hose in the filler tube.  Seal
>around it the best you can.  This will keep the gas from running out the
line
>when you cut it.]
>
>Sorry, I gotta disagree with this one.  Gasoline fumes/electric motor, not
a
>good mix.  All it would take was one spark..................
>
>No personal flame (or pun) intended, just hate to see someone injured,
>especially after working around the Kansas University Medical Center's burn
>unit during my high school years.  And don't want to hear about a B.O.O.M.
>where S.O.M. used to be!
>
>Take Care Out There (please!)
>
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:54:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO '69 4-4-2 Front Clip

Not on the list, respond to CINDPREZ@prodigy.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Cindy A Perez" <CINDPREZ@prodigy.net>
Subject: oldsmobile 442

I am looking for front end, hood,bumper and fenders for 69 442.
Please h*lp me.

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:14:21 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: F/S in Cincinnati area

Ads pulled from the Cincinnati Enquirer:

Oldsmobile Delta 88 1982. Good condition, power steering, power brakes,
air conditioning, runs
 good, $795. Call Phone: 513-353-1225

Oldsmobile Delta 88 1984. Mint condition, new tires, brakes, shocks,
muffler. $1250. Phone:513-631-6470

Oldsmobile Toronado 1978. 109,000, full power, ice cold air
conditioning, black on black. $2000 or trade. (513) Phone: 858-2678

Oldsmobile Toronado 1975. Classic, $1800 or best offer. 73 K, good
condition, ask for Heather 513-312-2348.

Oldsmobile Cutlass 1971. 442 interior, trans. newly rebuilt, 350 Rocket,
gar kept, good cond $2800/obo. Phone: (812) 623-2581

Oldsmobile Delta 88 1981.   4 door, runs great, V8.   $850. Phone:
513-421-4301

Oldsmobile Delta 88 1984. 142,000 miles, new Sony cassette. deck, runs
reliably. $350 firm.Phone:513-441-2409

Just passin' it on

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:40:50 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re:

Robert Schinkel wrote:

> Last night at my cruise night I gave a dodge boy the happiest night in a
> long time
> He had a 70 charger and I asked him if he wanted another dual snorkel
> breather for the thing
> There regular value is up and around $150 to $200 but I said come over this
> week and you can have it for $25.
> I feel that what comes around goes around, and I have had a gentleman do a
> similar thing 2 years ago
> He came up to me and said "I have an aluminum intake in the trunk of my
> car, if you want it just give me $100".  And Yep it was a 70 W-30 intake,
> latter he called me and said he had a new set of Exhaust manifold for the
> car and some other small parts.
> So he made my day and I help make someone else's.  Anyways The dodge stuff
> was making the yard look like a scrap yard.
> Oh and that W-30 intake was sold to a friend of mine on this list for a
> mere $625
> I got it at a deal, no need in gouging the heck out of his wallet
> Oh that was $625 Canadian about $450 for you Yanks
>
> Just thought I would share that
> See ya awl
>
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
> Niagara Falls, Canada
> 905-357-4454
> 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

What a Deal!!! you made $500.00 on the intake. What a pal!

Mark Hahn
75D88C

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:43:35 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Electronic Circuit Design Needed

Listmembers,

I'm looking for someone that has a fairly good knowledge of electronic circuit
design and automotive gauge circuitry for a project I want to do on my race
car.  I decided to use electrical gauges on my car instead of the mechanical
type after seeing a bonafide Winston Cup car with electric gauges in it.  But
what I want to do is use the same sender to not only actuate the gauge but to
feed a circuit that would sense when the level was too low (or high) and
trigger a warning light.  If this was possible, I could eliminate several
senders on the engine and simplify things.  I can do the actual assembly, I'm
just not knowledgeable at determining the components and their values
necessary to accomplish this.

Anyone out there up to this?  E-mail me privately so we don't take too much
bandwidth.

Thanks in advance, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:57:22 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: my baby

I just noticed something.  and I have a question or two...

First, I noticed what most people are selling First Generation Toronados
for.  I am beginning to think that I had one of those rare moments of
luck.  While shopping for a classic car to restore, and drive, I
happened across an ad for a 67 Toronado.  My interest piqued.  I had to
check it out.  I fell inlove the first time I sat behind the wheel.  So
I came back the next afternoon with a check, and bought it.

Now the details.  What I got was a 1967 Toronado.  I got the original
sticker, and buill of sale, and the papers to just about every bit of
work that was ever done to it.  The body is in excellent shape, though
there is a small amount of rust on the lower left rear quarter, and the
it needs a paint job.  The chrome is excellent, very few scratches, no
dents anywhere.

The motor runs smoothly, as though it were brand new.  it purrs, and
then it roars when I hit the accelerator.  It doesn't leak, and one
second best part of the whole deal, it only has 60 thousand miles on
it!!!  I couldn't believe it.  and the best part of all, it only cost me
1200.  Am I missing something?  Or did I truely walk right into lady
luck the day I saw the ad?  Either way, I am in love with my Olds.

Now my questions.  First, I intend to rebuild this car until it looks
showroom perfect.  (By the way, the interiri is nearly perfect).  Does
anyone know where I can find parts?  I have tried to find issues of
Hemmings, but they are rare here.

Also, Does anyone know where I can find the am-fm radio or stereo that
were options in 67-69??  I am thinking that they should be the same
radio...  at least in 66-68.  But I need a working am-fm radio, so I can
replace the am in mine with an fm version?

Well, thanks for reading my babble...
a new Olds lover,
Jeffrey Lane

1967 Olds Toronado
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:53:55 -0600
From: "Kevin Meredith" <bkmeredith@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Surface Rust Removal

Hey, I just bought a white 82 Cutlass but she's got lots of surface rust
that I think can be ground off.  Can I use my trusty Black and Decker
variable drill with a grinding stone (what kind?) or should I use a proper
grinder tool?

And, while you share your expertise, the driver's door won't latch properly.
The latch that snugs the door close will not work, only the outer
latch...any clue how to fix that?

Thanks in advance!

Kevin.

Kevin Meredith
70 Vista Cruiser
82 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
mailto:bkmeredith@telusplanet.net
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mereditk/bkolds.htm

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:57:16 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Bad luck

well the whole scenario was geared toward the prison theme...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Bad luck


>big fence, barbed wire,etc, etc...kk
>_________________
>
>Sorry, but this brings to mind the story (which I'm sure Andy Green will
>prove is an urban myth) of the Porsche Turbo which was stolen from inside a
>locked enclosure with cement block fences...
>
>I think the saying goes somethink like fences keeping honest people
>honest...
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:47:34 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Anyone recognize this hood?????

In a message dated 8/3/98 8:34:28 PM, you wrote:

<<lyrea>>

77-81 Formula Firebird

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:28:13 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: G-body dash removal?

Hello all.  Sorry if I'm asking a question that's been covered before
but I was wondering if someone could give me an idea how the dash is
removed from a G-body cutlass.    Can I just undo some bolts and remove
it or is it more involved with something like clips or glue or some
other special torture.  I'm on the lookout for a good dash to put in my
80 cutlass and I'm curious as to what I'm getting into.

Thank in advance.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:24:48 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body dash removal?

Greg, are you talking the instrument cluster, or the entire dash pad?  Both are
tough the first time, but get better with time.  Both require a few tricks, so
I'll wait to hear back from ya on the description.

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:56:44 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: G-body dash removal?

Oldsmagnet wrote:
>
> Greg, are you talking the instrument cluster, or the entire dash pad?  Both
are > tough the first time, but get better with time.  Both require a few
tricks, so > I'll wait to hear back from ya on the description.

I want to remove the whole dash pad.  It's cracked up pretty bad and
needs replaced.

Thanks a bunch.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:24:21 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body dash removal?

> I want to remove the whole dash pad.  It's cracked up pretty bad and
> needs replaced.
>

OK.  Here goes.  Get ready (buy the beer ~before~ you start...)  I'll try to
remember all the little details here (I ~didn't~ buy the beer...)

small things that need to be removed first:
Speaker grilles
Pass side dash vent
heater controls & radio, radio helps for clearance.
Heater can be just unbolted and left hanging.
under dash hush panels, if applicable
under-column trim panel
kick panel trims (possibly)
Glove box door

At the top of the dash you'll need to remove the 4 torx screws.
At the bottom of the dash, you'll need to pull the three 10mm bolts, one on 
each
end, and one to the right of the radio, next to glove box hinge -- that one's
inset a bit, you can see it from the radio hole.
Behind the pass side dash vents you'll see one 9/32 bolt on the far right of 
the
openning.  That needs to come out.
Behind the heater controls is a brown wire, with an inline clip/plug.  That
needs to get unhooked.
Under the steering column, the fuse block has two ~long~ screws holding it
back.  They come out.  On the other side, from the engine bay, right below the
wiper motor, is the bulkhead connector.  It's secured with a 10 mm bolt that
screws into the fuse block's back.  That bolt needs to come out (use a swivel)
Remove the bulkhead plug (might be sticky)
Unhook the parking brake release cable, at the brake pedal.  You'll see the
little lock mechanism it uses, really simple to disconnect.
The gearshift indicator should get snapped off of the column (little clip just
hidden by the panel removed earlier.  Two 15mm nuts hold the column up there.
They need to come off, and the column will rest on the seat.  Unplug the two
ignition switch plugs, the column elect plugs (turns/horn, etc, cruise,
backup/pn safety plugs.  Unplug or remove the brake switch, too.  Note, when 
the
column drops, there'll be a couple large washers that fall with it.  They live
on the studs, above the column.  (You'll see what I mean.  Require patience 
upon
reassembly)
There is a pair of plugs on the far right of the dash, beside the glove box
hole.  They need to get unplugged.  As with the power lock relay, if
applicable...
OK.  IF you have cruise control, you can unplug the speedo cable at the cruise
module on the driver's side wheelwell.  Remove the one that enters the
firewall.
If you ~DONT~ have cruise, you'll need to unhook the cable the hard way.  The
cable clips on the back of the speedo, and you should be able to get there with
the column dropped.  It'll have to come out, but with the cruise end unhooked,
it's much easier, since the slack allows the dash to come halfway out first.
At this point, you can start manhandling things out of there.  Start on the 
pass
side, while keeping a close eye on anything you and I may have missed, that may
bind or pinch.  Things like the trunk release, or pass side remote mirror, or
other unforseen things that may haunt ya.  Not that bad, just need to watch for
'em
The driver's side needs to be lifted a bit to clear the column mounts.  It's a
bit tricky.  May have to get a touch western with it :)

From here, you should be able to see what's still left.  From memory, those are
all the stumbling points.  I'm sure I'm missing many small details, if you get
stuck, feel free to holler (or swear) and feel free to ask for more info!  :)
It's been a while since I've done one, (close to a year.)  Took me about 5 
hours
for the last one.  Flat rate calls for about 8 to R&R.  So be prepared to make 
a
weekend out of it.  You'll need a bit of extra time to transfer extras between
the two dash pads, like needing to cut out the cruise control/rear defrost 
hole,
or the pass remote mirror hole, transferring wiring harness, etc.

Good luck!  I've done it a few times, so feel free to inquire for more detailed
info as needed.
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