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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 23 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1443



Temporary replacement engine for 425?
Re: "1950 Oldsmovile "6" Carburetor"??
Fwd: read this
67 442 non-conv frame ...........   FREE
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Re: Temporary replacement engine for 425?
farm auction results
Re: Left overs for sale
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Late H/O or 442 cam specs
4 Speed
15 annual all oldsmobile car show
15 annual all oldsmobile car show
Re: clicking??????please help
Re: milling heads
Re: Motor Boo - Boo
A first for me`
Re: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show
Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs
Re: September - HOT ROD!!
Re: Worth of 85 442
Re: clicking??????please help
Re: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show
455 Pistons questions
Parts
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Is my clutch going?
Re: 4 Speed
Re: Is my clutch going?
Re: Is my clutch going?
Re: Is my clutch going?
Re: obsessed with my 67
Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs
Chris Brown Witt was Re: 455 Pistons questions
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RE: Don't blame me..., with a little Olds content
DOH...was cam specs
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Re: September - HOT ROD!!
Re: September - HOT ROD!!
Re:
71 442

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:01:23 -0700
From: Jim Bauman <jbauman@earthlink.net>
Subject: Temporary replacement engine for 425?

Hi,

Well, in the time it takes to write this message, my
daughter's 65 '98 will have used a quart of oil!!  It's
odd..it doesn't smoke (obvious smoke), but it'll use
2 quarts of oil in 60 miles on the freeway!  I think it's
time for the rebuild I'd scheduled for December.

I'd like to rebuild the engine that's in the car now,
but really need a temporary replacement engine.  Does
anyone have any suggestions as to what I might drop in
that is readily available (I found out that 425's are
NOT in this area), and is a SIMPLE drop it in, bolt it
down arrangement? I don't want to monkey with engine
mounts and new headers etc. Later 455's seem to be around,
but I'm ignorant about this stuff. Help!!

Thanks,

Jim Bauman
'65 98 Olsmoboat

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:14:59 -0500
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: Re: "1950 Oldsmovile "6" Carburetor"??

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> A recent communication went thus;
>
> [Sir, regarding:] 1950 OLDSMOBILE "6" CARBURETOR
>  >
>  > I am not sure what is meant here.
>  > What does the "6" stand for?
>  >
>  > Is this a Rochester carburetor?
>  > Is this a carburetor for a V6 engine?
>
> <<Karl,   That it the way it reads on the side of thebox and it means
> carburetor is for a 6 cylinder Oldsmobile.

It probably is.

> Can anyone verify this?

My data says that in 1950 the Olds 76 (the only Olds offered with a 6
that year) had a Carter single-barrel downdraft carburetor model
WA1-764A with an automatic choke.

Charles

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:46:00 EDT
From: <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: 67 442 non-conv frame ...........   FREE

Anybody need it?  Call or e-mail me.

Bernie
908-276-5277

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:36:12 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: protect-o-plate

Gentlemen/Ladies,

As I was installing the new glove box in my 67 Cutlass today, I came
across the protect-o-plate booklet from a 66 parts car I used to have.
Under "Selling Data" it has the date of sale, 5/20/66, and the "Selling
Dealer Code No."  4-997.  Can anybody tell me at what dealer this car
was sold?  The lady I paid 200 bucks for the car a couple of years back
claimed to be the original owner....  Jus' wonderin'

My wife picked a great weekend to go out of town, I'm really geting in
some good quality time with my car too, something that should not be
overlooked  :)

TIA,

art

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:33:30 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Temporary replacement engine for 425?

Two quarts in 60 miles!  Sumbitch should be smoking like a World War One
destroyer at WOT.  You did not specify what part of the world you are in,
but there is probably no insect problem there.  I had an oil control problem
in my '66 98 which is likewise powered by the best engine ever put in an
Olds, the rock and roll 425.  In my case, the engine was drawing oil into
the cumbustion chambers through the pcv, which was stuck.  Since it would be
unusual for a 425 in a 98 to be clapped out (almost always used sedately)
why do you not look for cheap and easy before you R+R and overhaul?  As for
alternative power, any Olds V-8 of the era will bolt in.  Be it known that I
have 9 big block Olds' and I have yet to need to overhaul one.  Peter.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:02:29 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: farm auction results

The two cutlass' went for 30.00 dollars each....neither ran but both had
complete 350 motors.  One was a "S" and the other was a "CS"  both from 1970.
aside from those there was a set of 14" wheels on the camaro next to all the
other cars, but I don't know if they were SSI or SSII or  what......either way
I would have had to buy the Camaro to get them.......On the other hand I
bought for $5.25 a pile of 10 cutlass wheels.  Some black, some silver....most
have chrome beauty rings, and two of them have the "Calais" style insignia on
the center caps.  The rest are pretty much complete with the other center caps
(rocket emblem)

How exactly do I tell SSI's from SSII's.....I don't know what all the hell I
got , atleast one maybe two complete sets and some other odd balls.  By the
way I don't even have a car to put these on so I guess they are for
sell................


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:07:52 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Left overs for sale

> There's big truth to this.  If you don't like the price, then look
> somewhere else. Supply
> and demand ALWAYS rules with used car parts.  Nuff said.
>
> Mike Rothe

Hey Mike

Relax try de' caff
I am just curious cause i have just under 100 rallye rims
and if the price has changed since the last time I sold a set I would like
to have known

Robert Schinkel

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:32:39 -0400
From: "J. P. Wilson" <jpw@mindspring.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:49:27 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: farm auction results

- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 6:04 PM
Subject: farm auction results

>How exactly do I tell SSI's from SSII's.....I don't know what all the hell
I
>got , atleast one maybe two complete sets and some other odd balls.  By the
>way I don't even have a car to put these on so I guess they are for
>sell................

You can see both types at the following URL. The SSIs are on the left.
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/wheels.htm

Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass Conv.
1980 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:15:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Late H/O or 442 cam specs

Everyone,
        Someone on the list has a page about their 83-84 H/O...All
kinds of nice "tech specs"....including part#'s, cam specs (lift
duration ,etc.).If anyone out there can tell me where the site is,it
would be very appreciated.
         TIA



==
John McJunkin
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
frog442's 84-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:33:42 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: 4 Speed

Hey list,
Is there anyone out there who has the hardware to change my auto 70
cutlass over to a 4 speed . I will need everything except the
transmission.
Does anyone have any tips and or advice on this job is it even worth the
hassle. Keep in mind I am not worried about keeping it original.
Thanks!
Bill Dickinson
dickinson@skow.net

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:55:37 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show

is any one on the the list here going to alliance, ohio for the car show?

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:58:03 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show

sunday, august 23. at the carnation mall

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:59:11 PDT
From: "William Corrick" <em2usn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: clicking??????please help

>>>When the motor mount finally gave, the cooling fan would hit the
fan shroud when you put it in drive.
SNIP
Good suggestion. Another more extreme case (true story) was my buddies
car. He had the tranny worked on and when they re-installed it, they
didn't tighten the bell housing.

>>>Same happenned to me on my V-6 82 Cutlass. There was a 1/2 inch gap
between motor and tranny. Noise didn't go away completely when
tightened, 'cuz the flywheel was also cracked.



A few years back the motor mount on my 1978 Delta 88 broke completely
off (both the bolt and the safety latch) and when I pulled out of my
driveway onto the state highway where I live, the engine slammed against
the hood with a loud "BAMM", so it should be rather easy to tell if the
mount on that side of the engine is broken...

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:13:53 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: milling heads

Butch - Try this.  With the head mounted cumbustion chamber up, introduce
>fluid (any light vegetable oil works for me.  Olive oil the best.) into the
>chambers using a syringe you can get at any drugstore or almost any street
>corner in downtown Atlanta.  These syringes are metered in c.c.s.  You'll
>have your volume and cause those high dollar heads no grief.


Also, get a 1/4" thick  piece of clear plastic and drill a hole in it for
the syringe.  Then seal the plactic around the combustion chamber with
grease and fill the chamber with the vegetable oil from the syringe,
measuring precisely the amount you put on.  If you don't use  the plastic
the oil will form a meniscus and you will not get an accurate measurement.
Also, make sure both valves are closed tight, or the oil will leak out.

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:16:06 PDT
From: "William Corrick" <em2usn@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Motor Boo - Boo

>>>I recently bought and parted a 78 Delta.  The engine was a 350 that
the guy said was built for racing.  He said he had put $600 into the
tranny and $3500 into the engine.  I didn't believe it was that good for
racing, I just thought that most of the money was probably spent on new
parts like the new GM carb and the New HEI distributor and the performer
intake. Well I though i would just sell it off and make a quick $100 or
so.  Today i pulled the engine out and discover that there is a new 11"
TCI converter. The Tranny is new GM th400 and every bit and piece you
can think of is all new, even down to every nut and bolt.  Well I guess
I should have thought about the engine a bit longer. The bothering part
is that the guy who bought it from me is putting it into a 85 cadilac as
a replacement motor and tranny.  and for $750 ($450US) I think he got a
good deal.

PS --- to the list member that wanted the rear sway bar, please E me its
ready

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


Robert,
In 1978 the 350's in the Delta 88 were made by Olds and by Chevy.  When
GM decided to start making diesels with the 350 platform, they used the
Olds engine over all other GM engines.  That tells me the Olds engine
was constructed stronger than the rest and is a very good engine.  Any
other opinions on this??


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:12:59 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: A first for me`

Hi all,

Well today I saw my first 1968 Olds Cutlass S Convertible.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!  I want one
:=(  It was painted, get this, peach metallic with a white top.  The
young lady who owned
it had the interior redone in white and the outside repainted to match
her nail polish!  I
wish she had gone original (Nocturne Blue with Teal interior) instead.
Oh well! :-)  The
car was striking though.  And for those of you who will ask "Did you ask
her if she was
selling it"  The answer is yes I did ask her and no she wasn't going to
sell it.  Well not
at this time.  I felt like such a sleaze warming up to someone I didn't
know!  :-)  I must
really love these Oldses!

This car was overflowing with options.  It has SSII rims (which she
wants to put hub caps
over steel rims), map light, remote mirror, sport steering wheel (hold
on to your hat Greg
B.), console shift, tilt steering wheel, clock, and the 350 - 4 bbl
engine.

I of course gave her one of my cards.  I am sitting by the phone right
now awaiting her
call! :-)

Later...

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:30:59 +0000
From: Jim Connerly <jdconner@ccia.com>
Subject: Re: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show

Hi

Yes, plan on getting there between 9:30 and 10:00.

Jim Connerly

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:32:28 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs

John McJunkin wrote;
	
	Someone on the list has a page about their 83-84 H/O...All
	kinds of nice "tech specs"....including part#'s, cam specs (lift
	duration ,etc.).If anyone out there can tell me where the site
is,it
	would be very appreciated.
	

	John, try http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html   Tom Lentz has
a LOAD if '84 H/O info.

	Hope this helps,

	Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
	Columbus, MS         1987 442

	http://www.442.com/newman.html
	http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:12:30 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: September - HOT ROD!!

The motor build up wa nice. The 442 doing the burnout was not all that
great. First the car appears to be fake. The emblem on it says W-30 but
look at the fenders, they are BLACK not RED. Second the 442 emblem is not
in the correct position and on the vinyl top at the rear their is a "S"
template. The 442 wouldn't have had that. I think it's a Cutlass "S" made
into a fake(pretty bad job, I must say) 442 W-30.


Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Justin Brickey <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: September - HOT ROD!!
> Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 10:04 PM
>
> Have ya'll seen the September HOT ROD yet? It has a buildup of the 455
> with the Edelbrock heads. It is a good article. I particularly like the
> picture of the blue 442 w-30 doing a burnout in the Power Tour section.
>
> Justin B.
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:17:23 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Worth of 85 442

For a car that is not rusted out and runs strong. $3000 is a good price.
THe 307 motors are LONG LASTING as long as the oil is changed regularly(as
with any car). Try maybe and talk him down a few hundred bucks.....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Worth of 85 442
> Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 6:33 PM
>
> Ok, just asking here.  Ran across an honest to god, 85 442 for sale.
> He's the second owner.  Has one repaint, gray/silver with gray
> interior.  Plenty of preventive maintenance records, original paperwork,
> yadda, yadda.  Painted AROUND the decals, however.  Hmmm.  In very good
> to excellent condition.  No rust, no wrecks, frame is excellent.
> Original equipment, i.e. wheels, air cleaner, air shocks, original
> exhaust.  Everything seems intact. Tranny rebuilt in 95.  Runs very
> strong and smooth for 109K miles.  I consider this a 20/20 car.  Looks
> EXCELLENT from 20 feet at 20 miles per hour.  Trunk sticker checks out
> with W42 and matches "9" engine code vin.  5A heads, original carb,
> block.  Had new radiator in 96.  NO EVIDENCE of cowl tag ever being
> there, which I was happy to know that my 85 wasn't the ONLY one that
> didn't come with one.  Heavily optioned, everything except T-tops and
> lamp monitor system.  It SEEMS like a good price at 3K.  Overall a very
> clean and good looking car.  Any input?  The last time I even CONSIDERED
> buying an 85 was almost 14 years ago, and then I paid over 5x this
> price.  BLUE book retail is around 3500, which doesn't mean squat for a
> car like this, but it's just a rough estimate.  I think I can get it for
> less than the 3k price, however.  Am I crazy?  Or is this car really
> worth it?  I value you guys and gals' opinions.
>
> Just wondering....
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:08:48 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: clicking??????please help

>loud "BAMM"

You know back in 86-87 I had a 78 Delta. Motor mount broke on it also.
Loud BAMM was from the motor hitting the the hood.

Kevin White
83 Citlass Supreme
FE3X clone

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:18:06 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 15 annual all oldsmobile car show

ill be there

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:28:12 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: 455 Pistons questions

1. I have heard that you can use Ch*vy 396 pistons in Olds 455 correct?

2. I have also heard that you must modify the Olds rods, correct?

3. What mods to rods?

4. I have also heard that you need to cut the domes off the pistons. Why not
just buy flat top 396 pistons? Are they not available?

5. Since Ch*vy small block 400 pistons are also 4.125" and commonly flat
top, why not just use those? (I suspect compressed height difference, but
unsure)

I have priced flat tops for Olds and they run over $500 (Mondello). There's
got to be a better (read cheaper) way!

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:47:04 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts

PLEASE!
 E me direct and
 I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com

 1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $100

 1967  C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole>   $225
          Magnufluxed  -  complete

 1968
 442 grill emblem >   $40
 Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
 Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)>  $30
 Ashtray Door >  $10
 Convertible top cylinders > $30 ea.
 Rear defroster switch > $25
 Motor mount heat shield > $8
 Conv. Top latches  >30.pr
 Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$40.pr.
 Reverse light lens good condition > $10
 442 Carb  #7028251 >$150
 Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $100
 Choke pulldown only >$25
 Power Antenna Switch  >$25
Tach & Gauges >$250

 1969
 Wiper switch  > $40
 Radio plate (uncut) >$20
 Rear defroster Switch & wiring > $25
 Plastic headlight Doors > $100 exc.
 Ashtray Doors   > $10
 Convertible top cylinders > $25
 Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $100
 Hood Hinges > $35
 442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$20
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 Conv. Top latches >$30.pr
 Vacuum trunk switch >$25
 Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165
 69-72      Power window motors >  $15 ea.
Tach & Guages>$250

 1970
   Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
 Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
 Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
 Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
 Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
 Nos pass. side headlight frame>  $60
 Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $30 ea
 Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $20 ea
 Nos 442 emblem set (both sides, front tooth and trunk lid)  >    $150
 F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
 Rear side marker lights >  $15 ea
 70 442 bumper  core >  $100
 Ashtray Doors  >  $10
 Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
 Convertible top cylinder > $25
 Hood Hinges > $25
 Motor mount heat shield> $8
 Conv. Top latches> $40.pr
 455 heads E casting> $100
 1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$50
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps>$165
 69-72      Power window motors> $15 ea.

 1971 & 1972
 Front bumper directional lens> $10 ea.
 Tail light lens > $10 ea.
 Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $30
 71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c (6 ft. long  bottom pieces)> $60
 T handle  (that opens hood) > $10
 Ashtray Doors > $10
 71  Cutlass Grills gc. >$90
 Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges) >$10
 Convertible top cylinders  > $30
 Hood Hinges   >$25
 Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions >$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 Conv. Top latches  >$30.pr
 Black  Automatic console  >$75
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165 set
 69-72      Power window motors > $15 ea.

 1973
 Carb         7043256  >$40

 Shipping is extra
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 905-357-4454
 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)




Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:46:47 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: 4 Speed

I've not done the swap but I have been driving a 4 sp 442 the last couple
years.  The 4 sp does give you a nice sense of control over the car, there is
some additional economy, and the sound of somebody going through the gears
manually at full throttle is great.  However, in an urban area with lots of
stop and go (Wash DC) the constant shifting gets old.  I find myself often
skipping 2nd altogether to get into 4th sooner.  FWIW, I can see buying a 44 sp
car as is but would never consider doing the swap..

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:13:47 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Is my clutch going?



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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:07:29 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 4 Speed

>Hey list,
>Is there anyone out there who has the hardware to change my auto 70
>cutlass over to a 4 speed . I will need everything except the
>transmission.


Dunno how close you are to Ct. (Danbury is near N.Y. border), but this guy
has been advertising on Bargain News for a while:

70-72 OLDS 442 PARTS, fenders and doors, in good shape, complete 4 spd set
up with Munci M-22, all parts to
convert auto to manual, call with needs, also have 70 Cutlass needs. (203)
743-0346 or mikel66@webtv.net (4XI). Danbury

Isn't he a list member too?

drc

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:11:52 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Is my clutch going?

Todd Morris wrote:
>
I don't know, is it?

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mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:07:08 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Is my clutch going?

looks gone to me

mh
75d88rc

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:11:15 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Is my clutch going?

Your mind certainly is.. ;)

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:20:43 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: obsessed with my 67

>In the final stages, you should expect to name your car (you will probably
not
>be able to help it) and refer to your car as first person, and yourself in
>third person....
>
>(((Wait a sec....  :)   )))
>
Not so. Dave will never speak of himself in the third person, and Grey Boat
doesn't respond when he calls her....

Oh-oh.

drc

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:28:26 -0400
From: Bill Gochenour <gochenow@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs

JM wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>         Someone on the list has a page about their 83-84 H/O...All
> kinds of nice "tech specs"....including part#'s, cam specs (lift
> duration ,etc.).If anyone out there can tell me where the site is,it
> would be very appreciated.
>          TIA
>
> ==
> John McJunkin
> mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
> TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> frog442's 84-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>
>
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Chenk out the 1983 Hurst pages starting at
http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/hurst.htm, chenk it out. I do have
the original specs and part numbers posted there.

Enjoy !

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Bill !

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:36:08 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Chris Brown Witt was Re: 455 Pistons questions

In a message dated 98-08-23 09:27:52 EDT, you write:

<< I have priced flat tops for Olds and they run over $500 (Mondello). There's
 got to be a better (read cheaper) way! >>

There is.

Contact Chris Witt for a much better price.

wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Good luck!

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:43:45 -0700
From: "Gary Andresen (At Home - Personal e-mail address)" <gandresen@home.com>
Subject: RE: Don't blame me, I voted Republican

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I just returned from a business trip where I met with people from several
different countries.

They feel he is a BIG JOKE and we are suckers for saying "Forget about it."

Clinton is a scumbag.  If one of my three daughters came home with someone
like him I would have a good fatherly talk
with her.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kevin Hoopingarner
    Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 1:51 PM
    To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
    Subject: Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican


    Some of you guys are missing the point - he perjured himself. Filthy,
dirty, beanhead, selfish, slutty, rotten sex with Monica is beside the issue
that on top of everything else he's a bloody liar! He's a low-life piece of
crap and I'm so not proud to say he's my president. He makes me sick and I
can only take heart in the knowledge that God will take care of his sorry,
no good, no restraint, fat butt.
    I feel sorry for Chelsea and all our future children who will be led
astray by our models in the whitehouse. Willy says, let's put this behind
us. Unfortunately, he's done unprecedented amounts of damage and he's
leaving a trail of filth everywhere he goes. We can't put it behind us, we
haven't been given a choice.

    God Bless America and Pray Hard

    P.S. I don't normally read the Olds stuff because it's my husband's -
but I couldn't help it when I saw the messages. Sorry Honey!

    Olds' Wife

    IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com wrote:

        I've been under the impression that adultery is grounds for
        a divorce but not illegal as long as it is between consenting
        adults of age and there is no monetary compensation involved!
        <insert Olds-related comment here>
        Jeff Cote

        > ----------
        > From:         JCRASH7@aol.com[SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com]
        > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
        > Sent:         Monday, August 17, 1998 11:06 PM
        > To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
        > Subject:      Re: Don't blame me, I voted Republican
        >
        > Sorry, but I have to get into this...  Ok, he is the president, so
we have
        > to
        > make a big deal about under penalty of law (yeah right), but was
really
        > was
        > the actual crime committed?  You can't go to jail for bangin' a
tramp, so
        > it's
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        >
        > Joe
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:47:27 -0700
From: "Gary Andresen (At Home - Personal e-mail address)" <gandresen@home.com>
Subject: RE: Don't blame me..., with a little Olds content

Right on the button.

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> He doesn't inhale......................
> And she doesn't swallow..........!!
>
> A match made in heaven...!!!
>
> > Impeach the bum!!! If he denied this scandal, think about the other
things
> > he denies(whitewater, Chinese influence,etc) He's a commy!!!To the
chamber
> > with him!!!

Agree with both of the above except the commie thing.  You know, it's
almost criminal to be a comedian or comedy writer in this day and age.
So much material and so little time to use it.  The truth of the matter
to me is, yes he did, (and probably enjoyed it), yes he lied about it
and yes I think he (or madame president) WAS involved in Whitewater and
several other dealings that would get you or me jail time and fines out
the yangers.  But as the teflon prez it seems to be difficult to make
anything stick.  What bothers me more is the way the public views all
this.  It seems lying, dishonesty, deceit and perjury are allowed in
today's society if the economy is good.  That really bothers me.  But I
am only one in about 250-300 million people.  The idea that anything you
do is okay if you don't get caught or is stonewalled DOES NOT make it
legal or morally right.  I am not a member of the moral right wing
group, but I do think lying is lying and deception is deception.  And no
matter how you color it or what you call it, it is still the same.
Guarantee you if the economy sucked and unemployment was over 10%
impeachment would be a real possibility.  (END OF SOAPBOX MODE)

.................

Sorry folks, but I can't resist.  Wonder how Monica felt when Bill said
he did not have sex with her.  Must have been bad enough to want to
forget or not good enough to want to remember.  Try telling THAT to a
woman and see what she does.  Besides it was probably more fun back when
Bill was riding around in Arkansas (or wherever he grew up) in the "back
seat".  I do wonder if madame prez is a VERY strong and forgiving woman
or just a d@*#ed fool.  Sorry for the non-Olds content, but this is a
bit of a national disgrace to me.  And not for the sex or nonsex part.
It's a matter of right or wrong, lying and truth for me.  So let's move
on and build some more musclecars.  That is a lot more interesting to me
than whether Bill gets laid or not.  He should just take his honeys to
the Holiday Inn or so and take care of business instead of the Oval
Office.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: DOH...was cam specs

- --Everyone,
        Ok,John's had a long week,little to no sleep, but TOPLESS has
a motor now!!Anyway, the cam specs I inquired about weren't what I
need,although I'll still take them for future reference:)Does anyone
have the cam specs for the LATE 87 's with a vin 9 and 7A heads
(Roller/Dinky heads) ?


TIA,
==
John McJunkin
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
frog442's 84-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !


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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:39:37 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 442 camshaft spec stuff

This is courtesy of an earlier from SX455's post concerning VIN 9
camshafts.  Ain't the specs, but it's supposedly a replacement for it.
Tom Lentz sent me a specification sheet for the actual grind of the
non-roller VIN 9.
Mike Rothe

>  i recall someone on list asking about vin9 camshafts  i did a little 
research
> courtesy of my parts supplier and came up with this:  sealed power-83-85 307
> high-output and hurst-olds part # cs651  86-90? 307 high-output part # cs850
> steel roller type         perfect circle part # 2291835 83-85 307 high-output
> and hurst olds  part# 2292169 86-90 high-output 307 steel roller

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:45:42 PDT
From: "Justin Brickey" <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: September - HOT ROD!!

Yeah, I guess I didn't pay that much attention to the pic. All I saw was
smoke and an olds. If I would have thought about it, I would have looked
at my model, and noticed the discrepency in the fender wells.


 The 442 doing the burnout was not all that
>great. First the car appears to be fake. The emblem on it says W-30 but
>look at the fenders, they are BLACK not RED. Second the 442 emblem is
not
>in the correct position and on the vinyl top at the rear their is a "S"
>template. The 442 wouldn't have had that. I think it's a Cutlass "S"
made
>into a fake(pretty bad job, I must say) 442 W-30.



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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:52:11 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: September - HOT ROD!!

> Yeah, I guess I didn't pay that much attention to the pic. All I saw was
> smoke and an olds. If I would have thought about it, I would have looked
> at my model, and noticed the discrepency in the fender wells.

I'm not going to complain.  Being somewhat of a purist, I immediately
picked that car apart too.  But, I've never had ANY of my cars in a
magazine, (probably never will) so THAT, plus the fact that it's an OLDS
is good enough for me.  I'll take ANY sort of Olds mentioned in the
predominately Chevy biased mags.  Ya, it ain't correct, but niether was
that "Black Cat Run" movie's 442 either, but it was still fun to see an
OLDS in action!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:02:35 EDT
From: <WMACHINES@aol.com>
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-08-22 01:25:45 EDT, you write:

<<  I seem to be finding a few 4 speed 455's.  Are these common for certain
 years.  I seem to find a bunch of 73 455 with the 4 gear pilot hole.  Oh
 and how disirable are they.

 2. In the FAQ's I notice the statement that F5 anf F6 blocks are the better
 blocks to use, do to a higher nickel content.  In all books I have read
 they say that the F0 (very rare) to F5 are the better blocks to use for
 performance.  I recall that the lower the number the better the block, with
 the F10 being the worst.  Can anyone clarify the FAQ statement.  I hope
 what I have read was correct or else I have stock piled a bunch of not so
 good blocks (F1's and F2's)
  >>
Hey BOB, seems that they had leftover 4speed cranks from the 70-72 years and
decided to start using them.  I just picked up a 455 from a 74 442 auto car
and it has the 4 speed crank.  As for the Fo lettering.  F0 is the best and
F10 the worst.  I just took another 455 out of a 68 Toro and it is a F1 block.
Block is original in that car.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30  12.14@110mph Race Rocket

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:06:38 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: 71 442

This ad appeared in today's classified here in Boise, ID:

"Oldsmobile 1971 442. Runs excellent.  All original. Rally-Pac.  Needs paint
to finish. $5800.  208-884-3270."

I don't know the vehicle or owner, but if I can be of any help to any of you
who may be seriously interested, let me know.

Fred Orcutt
69 D88
72 VC
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

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