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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 15 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1486



Re: 360HP 455
Re: 360HP 455
Alternator Question
Re: Master Cylinders
Re: 360HP 455
72 442 W-30 Supreme
Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}
Re: alternator or Battery
Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS
Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS
UNBOUNCE: RE:  3800 Performance Mods (long)
UNBOUNCE: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Thanks for the 3800 help
GM B-body list
Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}
Adios (for now)
Re: GM B-body list
Re: Locks and Questions....
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: ENGINE OFFSET CCMAGAZINE
G-Body Rear Housing
Fw: Virus Warning!!
Re: 360HP 455
Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}
Re: 360HP 455
Re: HE*P NEEDED ON 84 DELTA  II
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Fibreglass repro hood
Fw: sport mirrors, H*lp or He*p or whatever.
Re: G-Body Rear Housing
Re: Car/Parts 4 sale OOPS
Re: Car/Parts 4 sale
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Discounts Revisited...
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
html in olds list messages
Steering Box...less Boat-like
Re: Locks
Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Re:  Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(no subject)
Found a Quad 4 for sale?!?
200-4R
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Legal Question
Re: Antenna
Re: 74 h/o decale
Re: names

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:08:29 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Igor -

I sounds like you are above 300, if not I would not know why.  Your specs
are close to 442 specs and they were rated around 360-375.

Corey D
dayc@ix.netcom.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:40 PM
Subject: 360HP 455


>Some of you know the specs on my 455, but for those who don't here it is:
>
>'76 block. .030 10.1CR pistons(TRW), .10/.20 under crank, all new berrings,
>oil pump, etc.(full rebuild).  The cam is Speed Pro 272/280 AD, .448/.472
>lift.  The heads are J-s/ported and polished.  Intake is stock egr block
>off(but I have a non-egr one to put in).  Carb is 750cfm Q-jet of a '70
442,
>all emissions controls are gone.  It breaths through stock manifolds and
>dual 2.5" front pipes, balancer tube, Dynomax super turbo 2.25"mufflers and
>tailpipes. 2500stall converter, shift kit, 3.23s posi.
>
>Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
>(excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
>327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
>What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then
I
>must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
>"how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
>dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know
what
>they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
>even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid off
>lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>
>1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
>1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:01:40 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

The 68 Delta's put out 310 or 320 HP depending on the Compression ratio.
The Toronado was rated at 390/400 it had a different cam and also a 4bbl
carb.  But as stated who cares it does not matter how much
"horsepower/torque" you have it matters how the car performs.

Just my 2 cents

Corey
- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>In a message dated 98-09-15 01:40:46 EDT, you write:
>
><< Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
> (excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
> 327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
> What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then
I
> must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
> "how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
> dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know
what
> they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
> even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid
off
> lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.
>
> Igor Todorovic >>
>
>Shouldn't you be worrying about the torque rating? I mean the 455 must put
out
>double the torque of a Chev small block, but not as much HP for the
>displacement. Who cares as long as the car gets rolling quickly? : ) I
thought
>that was what Olds motors were about..torque. Thats why you can get away
with
>the higher gear with an Olds. Maybe I am wrong here, anyone?   Dorian
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:05:54 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Alternator Question

With the accessories on, my radio and lights have a slight quiver and dim a
bit when the car idles. This situation disappears when I accelerate. I bought
a new chrome alternator (63amp) from JC Whitney and I ha feeling this may be
the problem OR could it be my carb is idling too slow? Any suggestion would
help a lot.
TIA
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:05:52 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Master Cylinders

In a message dated 9/15/98, 10:05:46 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<     The car stops OK with the current MC which I assume is a 1.125"
bore. Guess the pedal effort would be lower with a 1" bore
size.....though it's not too bad now.>>
My pedal effort seems to be to much on my 72 also. MY 74 requires much less
effort to stop the car. I have upgraded everything to make it better but they
still are to dam hard.Currently on car:12''rotors,11rear drums with 15/16
wheel cylinders,new booster,all new hoses and stainless lines.New proportion
valve.Vacuum at booster is 16~18.Even moved the rod further up on the pedal.
There are a few more things to try Dual diaphram booster,electric Vacuum pump
to the master to increase the vacuum to 22,Stainless brake hoses,High quality
brake pads. All of which are $$. I would go for the booster but mine is
brandnew. Another question comes to mind is way is the master at such an angle

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:30:24 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

two words come to mind.  compression ratio.  what heads do you have on the
motor?  in the late 60's and early 70's, engines came with higher stock
compression ratio.  on later 70's engines, there wasn't as much because of
emissions garbage.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:57:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 72 442 W-30 Supreme

Hi all

In near by St. Catharines there is a decent car forsale.  It not an
original, but still has some good parts and is really quite nice.  Its a 72
Cutlass supreme made to look like a W-30.  It has the Ram air hood,
Breather, Tach and Gauges, Wing, Sport Steering wheel, Cruise, Tilt,
Daulgate, Buckets, Disc Brakes, Posi, 455, th400, The ram air breather, and
a few other goodies.  The car is maroon with black interior and black
stripes.  Needs nothing very good condition.  He wants $7000 Canadian, that
about $4750 US
It would make someone a nice summer toy, for not much cash.
Part alone make up a very big part of the value.

I not doing this for any gain, actually he doesn't know that i'm doing
this, but I thought perhaps someone on this list would be looking for a fun
toy.

So if you are interested let me know and I can give you his number

Later all

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:57:11 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}

> 1) Is GM trying to soak me ($32 bolt, sorry, not a fair price,
> even with low turnover)

There are two ways to approach this one:

A -- This bolt is the only thing that holds your door closed in
hard corners, crashes, etc., so you might as well get a trustworthy
one for $32.

B -- I cannot believe there are more than about six different
designs of this part on _all_ cars made by GM over the past couple
of decades, so what's wrong with cherry-picking one out of the
junkyard? I thought this part was about as unique as a window
crank handle.

I go with option B, myself...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:57:13 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: alternator or Battery

I didn't realize that Olds made a Cavalier in 1994..!! Or for that
matter....EVER...!!!

>> My 94 Cavalier has a problem and I cant figure out what
>> it is.  There is a humming sound coming from the alternator.
>> The car want start after It runs for a while. I tried to test
>> the alternator by disconnecting the battery and the car shuts
>> off.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:11:02 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS

Can someone (privately) give me the directions to the Carlisle PA show coming 
up
 I-81 from Va..??

Thanx...

Also, is there usually plenty of G-body Olds parts there??

Mike




Try Hemmings motor news or go to Carlisle Pa. for the swap meet,
Oct.1-4, only 78 acres of cars & parts for sale.
Ron Haun

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:10:03 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS

or maybe not so privately??  I would lke directions too...  If I can get off
work, I am gonna go Olds shopping...
- -----Original Message-----
From: krzy4evr@usit.net <krzy4evr@usit.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS


Can someone (privately) give me the directions to the Carlisle PA show
coming up
I-81 from Va..??

Thanx...

Also, is there usually plenty of G-body Olds parts there??

Mike




Try Hemmings motor news or go to Carlisle Pa. for the swap meet,
Oct.1-4, only 78 acres of cars & parts for sale.
Ron Haun

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:06:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: RE:  3800 Performance Mods (long)

Still problems with Tom's address; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  3800 Performance Mods (long)

What I would do, as I have done....

Get a GOOD high flow air filter like Amsoil or K & N (Amsoil traps dirt
better, they both flow about the same amount of air on a flowbench,
Amsoil is cheaper...).

Don't waste money on Bosch Platinums, the DIS will destroy them in short
order, like 10K miles if even that!  Use good quality AC or Autolight,
nothing else will do.  Champions are nothing but trouble.  No
performance was gained using Rapidfires or Splitfires.  Stock gap on the
AC's or Autolight (NOT Motorcraft!) plugs works well.

Get some good plug wires, I use the Taylor Spiral Pro racing wire, it is
a spiral core, magnetic shielded, and works well with the 3800.  That
made a performance improvement.

180 Thermostat, not really sure if it makes anything at all, but it is
an off the shelf item.

Mine lacks umph as it has the pathetic 2.84 gears.  Does ok first and
2nd but 3rd and OD is not very good, too low in rpm.  I have 215 70
15's, I am changing to 225 60 15's soon, that should help a little.
Needs the 3.33, (3.73's are avail in the 4T65E, but offered only on the
Monte Carlo Pace Car for 97) but for 92, they killed off the 3.33, so
you have the standard 3.06  I think in 92 they all got 3.06's.  But that
is an expensive changover as Steve Ochs can tell you.  Not for the
average backyard mechanic.  Got to remove the trans, and that is no easy
task.

There is a guy on the Buick loop that works with ECM chips for the 3800,
but I do not know if you will get much more.

What I want to do with mine is get the stuff to make is a Series II (or
as close as I can get) 3800.  They made 205 hp, your is 170 and mine is
165.  Yours has the same cam as my 91, but new intake.  (Tuned Port).
Maybe a roller timing chain if anyone makes one.

The Series II 3800 has roller tip rockers as well.  All 3800's have
roller cams.

If you look at the exhaust, there is a nice 2.3in pipe from the front to
the rear of the engine, but there is a poor joining of the front to the
rear pipes to join together to go to the O2 sensor and the catalytic.
More like a V8 header there on the back side, the front is a nice
header, but not equal length.  If you can make a better Y join there
instead of all exhaust cramming together at the #6 cyl, it would help a
lot for breathing.

According to my Tach, 5200 is redline, the 3800 Series II has a 6000 rpm
redline.  May have cam changes there as well as bottom end.

Your overall best bet is EFI Performance, they have supposedly been
working on a turbo kit for the "3" and "C" 3800's not sure if they have
one for the "L" 3800.  But that would bring you up to 250 to 300 hp!
(250 hp is considered by EFI as safe on a 4T60 300 pushing it, but unk
on the 4T60E, Steve?)

Good luck!  Let me know how you get it running!


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:07:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

My 350 with 2.14 does ok, but that is because I have the THM200C, and I
believe that the THM200C has the 2.74 first gear.  (nothing for sure on
that, but it acts like it, 55 mph the engine is screaming in first!)
Sure, at WOT at 10 mph she is doggy, but if you give it 2/3rd throttle,
she will lay rubber off the line, and a lot of it if conditions are
right.  I can do 0-60 in 9 flat with 2.14's and 205 75 14's.  Use that
as a benchmark.  I love the part throttle acceleration at 70 and it just
keep going and going and going and going.....  The speedo is buried and
I am only part way thru second gear!!  WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Imagine if I could live in Montana!

Try this, if you have to deal with 2.29's, get some 225 50's!  Short
tires will make up for the gear!

So build a THM200C to live behind a 455!!  Or get the gears and install
them in a THM350!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:10:58 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Thanks for the 3800 help

Thanks for the 3800 performance help, my 92 does have the 2.84 final drive
as noted on the window sticker.Could this be a no charge option? Why? If it
matters, it was an oldsmobile "balloon classic" car. (used in the local
balloon race, and then sold as new)

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:20:55 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: GM B-body list

Has anyone heard what happened to the proposed GM B-body list?
A while back, poncho@vampire.org solicited interest from this list. I replied,
but have heard nothing. Just wondering what might have happened.

- --
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          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:16:08 EDT
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}

NAPA has them, but i forgot how much they cost,, i know i have some but it
would take me forever to find them, Jeffrey Fieldsend , Board of Director ,
Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:17:25 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: Adios (for now)

Adios from here.  My email account at Dow AgroSciences
(csmetana@dowagro.com) is no longer any good.  If you need to contact me
please use my home account (chris@abcs.com)  I still get digests at home
and I will let everyone know when I'm back on real time.
Take care,

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@onexinc.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus other

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:37:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: GM B-body list

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, David Brown wrote:
> Has anyone heard what happened to the proposed GM B-body list?
> A while back, poncho@vampire.org solicited interest from this list. I 
replied,
> but have heard nothing. Just wondering what might have happened.

Funny you should ask. I did receive the followup message and after some
problems with their setup I got a message with instructions on how to sign
up. I did this last night and received a confirmation. I then did a "who"
command and saw that there were only 8 members. So I sent a message to the
list wondering if maybe I should post a reminder here. Unfortunately it
never seemed to reach the list -- at least I never saw it come back to me.
So I don't know if the list is operational.

Allegedly you send mail to majordomo@vampire.org with the command
"s*bscribe gmfullsize" (you know about the asterisk), and the address to
send mail to the list is supposedly "gmfullsize@vampire.org".

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:51:24 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Locks and Questions....

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:34:55 -0700 (PDT) S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
writes:
>


>          Those "gold " keys are hard to find....I've been looking for
>years for the chrome ones that have the "rocket" on them....have even
>found the manufacturer but no luck there unless I wanted to order like
>10,000 blanks.....don't see that happenning.
>          SMAN
>==


Hey, thanks for the info.
the keys I have are the chrome ones with the little rockets in them, the
rockets are the gold part...
I found them in a Cutlass Cierra (a cool one with flags on the fenders,
ha!) glove compartment.  It was a car my Dad was selling.  good find, I
suppose.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:43:06 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

O The car is
>identical to an
>86 grand National- black and every thing. Any body out there with a
>freind
>into Buicks. This car is nice.
Damn right it's beautiful!  They're actually not identical to a GN, less
black.  They're also faster because of lighter bumpers and wheels
(theoritecally).
The first non-Olds I get will very likely be an 87 GN or a grey 87
T-type,  then when I'm rich, I'll get a GNX, yeah....


 Will anything fit into my 84 H/O if
>something
>fails in the future?  Expect everything to fit perfectly.  I'd like to
get a 3.8 litre Cutlass and build a T-type Cutlass.   Maybe you should
just drop in the whole t-type drivetrain...
>Thanks
>Dennis(15 Olds' and maybe a Buick in the future)
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:39:25 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

The trans in a t-type is the strongest 200-4R that was available.  It has
different components from other 200-4Rs.  If it's for any performance
application, I've been told that it is highly recommended to start with a
GN/T-type trans.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:56:24 EDT Socalolds@aol.com writes:
>Is the differential on an 84 Buick t-type and the trans anything
>special?
>Should I grab them if they are 3:73 posi? Is the transmission special
>in those
>cars the reason I ask is there ia a compete t-top car in the wrecking
>yard,
>and I mean complete. All the way down to the t-tops.The car is mint.
>But thats
>what we get here in our california wrecking yards. The car is
>identical to an
>86 grand National- black and every thing. Any body out there with a
>freind
>into Buicks. This car is nice.  Will anything fit into my 84 H/O if
>something
>fails in the future?
>Thanks
>Dennis(15 Olds' and maybe a Buick in the future)
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:36:05 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: ENGINE OFFSET CCMAGAZINE

>From October 98 Car Craft, "Ask Marlan"

"I am the proud owner of a 72 Olds Cutlass Supreme.  For the last year
and a half I've been massaging it into my idea of the perfect street
machine.  This included ousting the worn-out Rocket 350 in favor of a
slightly hopped .030-over 455.  One part I still haven't found is headers
to fit my application.  The word I get is that the Cutlass Supreme has
the motor mounted in a different position from other Cutlasses of the
same year.  While I'm able to find listings for 442's, there seems to
always be a note attached that this will not work in a Supreme body
style. "

Reply from Car Craft:

On the Cutlass Supreme and Cutlass S cars, the engine is moved 1 inch
off-center to the right from the normal Cutlass or 442 mounting position,
so the interference is usually with the right-hand header.  Olds
specialists Mondello Performance says Hooker PN3101 (1.75"/3") fits most
of the time with some massaging.  Hedman also offers a 1.75"/3" header
set (PN58070).  However, the 455 heads' exhaust port exits are really
bigger than the 1.75 inch headers' port-flange opening; ideally you want
at least 1.875 inch tubes.  Hooker offers large tube headers, but they
don't come close to fitting Supremes.  You could have a set custom made,
$$, but the most affordable street solution os stock hi-po exhaust
manifolds with fully divided center ports as found on 69-72 455 442,
Hurst, and W-30's.  Left hand casting #: 402295 ident "W", right :402294
ident "Z".
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-
----------------------------------------------------------


Was this what you were asking about, headers?  Now I forget if it was
headers or some other inquiry about the offset engine.  Hope it helps
either way.


Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:35:30 -0500 "Poppy30" <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
writes:
>THANKS RAY. I DONT HAVE IT, THE INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
>POPPY30@MSN.COM
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:49:39 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: G-Body Rear Housing

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In deciding what rear gears to put in "Quincy" I was told nothing higher
than 3.08 will fit the housing including converting to posi. Was told that
to have 3.23 or 3.73 posi rear required the Mal*bu, GN or HO housing.
Huummm,

How about it o' list masters. What's the facts. I will get housing # off the
1986 G-Body tomorrow, Still at shop in final exterior detail phase.

Quincy should stroll home this weekend. Longest Two months of my life. Great
weather, but no personal Olds to ride. Hoping for a photo shoot Saturday
night, weather permitting.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:58:08 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Fw: Virus Warning!!

For all, received this morning.

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Gary Cobb <COBB_GA@PENCO.COM>
> Subject: Virus Warning!!
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:38 AM
>
>  You might want to pass this along.
>
>  RECEIVED THROUGH INTERNET MAIL TODAY (Monday, 9/14)!!
>       Subject: Virus Warning
>      This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable
> screen-saver,
>      the Budweiser Frogs. But if you download it, you will lose
> everything!!!
>      Your hard drive will crash!!! DON'T DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY
>      CIRCUMSTANCES!!! IT JUST WENT INTO CIRCULATION YESTERDAY,
>      AS FAR AS WE KNOW... BE CAREFUL.  PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS TO AS MANY
>      PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE...If you download some jerk from the internet
will
>      get your screen name and password! Please send this to any names
>      you can think of and remember never download  BUDDYLST.ZIP This is a
>      new, very malicious virus and  not many people know about it. This
>      information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please
>      share it with everyone that might access the internet. Once  again,
>      pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be
>      stopped.
>
>      Also do not open or even look at any (Internet) mail that says
>      "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO  DELIVER".  This virus will attach itself to
>      your computer components and render them useless.  Immediately
delete
>      mail items that say this. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous
>      virus and that there NO remedy for it at this time.  Please
practice
>      cautionary measures  and forward this to all your on-line friends
>      ASAP. Hope this does not get  you!"
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:08:38 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

I have J heads, but the pistons I put in with the Js and fel-pro gasket
should make about 9.68:1 CR.  The Js were also milled, so the number should
be about that.  TRQxRPM/5252 is what I used to determine peak HP from the
edelbrock torque graph.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>two words come to mind.  compression ratio.  what heads do you have on the
>motor?  in the late 60's and early 70's, engines came with higher stock
>compression ratio.  on later 70's engines, there wasn't as much because of
>emissions garbage.
>
>mikeytvb@aol.com
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:04:39 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GM is SOAKING me.. {75 Cutl Door}

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> There are two ways to approach this one:
>
> A -- This bolt is the only thing that holds your door closed in
> hard corners, crashes, etc., so you might as well get a trustworthy
> one for $32.
  Well, It makes the dull thud of a grade-2 bolt when dropped on cement,
so I'd wager it's not exactly a big concern as far as safety goes
(really, it's your door that clamps to it, that's what takes the stress
in a corner or accident, the bolt is really not doing much)

>
> B -- I cannot believe there are more than about six different
> designs of this part on _all_ cars made by GM over the past couple
> of decades, so what's wrong with cherry-picking one out of the
> junkyard? I thought this part was about as unique as a window
> crank handle.
  I think this will be the option I go to, I had wanted a good-shape one
to match the new pins , bushings and roller kit.  This way I'll have an
easy-closing door even the wife will be happy with.  At $32 for new,
I'll go hunt one down in my private collection.  (I have one in my
driveway, but I really want to keep the car it's in whole, as I still
want to use it)..

At any rate, thanx for the input, keep on Oldsin!

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:10:58 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Thanks a lot Ben.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>> Igor, Here's my scoop. I have headers, edelbrock intake, 750 Q-jet from
>> edelbrock, stock torque converter and a comp cams 268, .484/.484. Without
>> figuring in my aluminum heads I make over 400 according to the desktop
dyno.
>> nearly 500 torque! I will plug your numbers in and give you an
approxiamate
>> hp/ft/lbs rating for your engine. You should be well above 350 hp... i'll
get
>> back with you later today.
>
>Ben
>
>> Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
(excluding
>> their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about 327HP.
Seems
>> vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds. What should I
>> change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then I must be
under
>> 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:21:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HE*P NEEDED ON 84 DELTA  II

- ---Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com> wrote:
 Have you ever tried a product called Lock Ease?  It is a liquid
graphite made by the AGS Co.

- ---That's the key word....liquid. I haven't tried it, but have heard
of it. With it being "liquid based" it's prolly just fine...I was more
referring to the powdered type that was used years ago. I  If you've
been using it that long it's prolly ok...I'll check it out.
                 SMAN
==
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TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:34:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

does that buick have a bubble in the hood???  if it does i may be
interested in it.......Nathyn

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:33:26 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fibreglass repro hood

  Agreed, the studs are in the wrong place. It took me quite some time and a
few drill bits to get through both the hood and the reinforcing bracing
because of the location. I did open a much larger hole and seem to have decent
air flow. But, like I said, for me it was function over form. I don't think
they are real beauties on a straight 442.

                                             Tom

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:37:15 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Fw: sport mirrors, H*lp or He*p or whatever.

To all,
Need gaskets, new, used, handmade, whatever! Have some great mirrors, just
can't install them.
Any ideas or suggestions, thanks.
Lou

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> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
> Subject: Re: sport mirrors, H*lp or He*p or whatever.
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:29 PM
>
> Everett, Need help bad. Mirrors did not have gaskets with them. Went to
> local Chevy dealer, big parts dept, cannot get gaskets through GM. Ran
> mirror #'s through computer, 1973-1975 Cutlass only. Same thing with
> gaskets, did national search, nothing. Items were dropped from parts in
> 1987. Any suggestions, cannot use mirrors without gaskets, also they are
> about 1/4 inch thick, can't use old inner tube. Would have thought
gaskets
> would have been included in boxes, new mirrors, new gaskets, mirrors are
> beautiful, but....... I'm in deep doo doo right now. Will copy Olds list,
> maybe someone out there has an answer.GM parts# is 1-09657788,LH remote
> mirror, GM parts # 1-9874839 gasket, will fit either side.
>
> Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: G-Body Rear Housing

Richmond makes a ring and pinion so that you won't have to change the
carrier.  I believe you will see when you look in a catalog for gears it
will specify between a carrier with 3.08 or numerically higher, and vice
versa.....i had a 2.41 ring and pinion and bought a set of richmond 3.73
and they fit fine.....for just 150 bucks.....Nathyn

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:41:31 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale OOPS

   OOOPs. Meant that last e-mail to go private. Sorry guys.

                                         Tom

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:40:03 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale

  Chris,

     I have been looking all over for a '69 442 driver's side
fender........with no luck. Up here in Connecticut they all rot out down low,
and it seems down south all I'm finding are Supremes, etc. I would prefer not
to have to change the Cutlass fender into a 442. If, in your travels, you come
across a good '69 442 donor, please let me know. Thanks, I appreciate it.

                                 Tom Reardon

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:47:02 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Joe,
I finally found a store that carries Rodder's Digest. I got the Oct. issue and
they are indeed doing just exactly the conversion that I'm interested in. It
is a postwar Olds and it appears that they arre dropping it onto an entire
chassis from an 83 Cutlass (455). I had thought that I would have to cut the
front clip off and weld that onto the old Olds, but it looks as if it is maybe
easier than I thought.

Anyway, thanks for the kead. I'll call them and get the back issues and look
for the upcoming ones.

Hmmm, now I need to find that donor car for the chassis..lessee, 455, wonder
what trans and rear axle I should look for...???

Cheers/Carron

In a message dated 9/13/98
 11:<BR12:<BR36 PM Central Daylight Ti, Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

> For the person who wrote the original
>  post on subframing a street rod, I've stumbled across a magazine called
>  Rodders Digest at the local supermarket.  They're in the middle of a 47
>  Olds street rod buildup which included a subframe addition, apparently from
>  an A-body, but I came in late and missed that issue.  I'm sure you can buy
>  back issues or reprints from them.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:01:50 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

i have an 83 Delta with 2.5 4 banger with 1.07:1 rear and it lays rubber
all the way up to sixth gear.  Top speed is 487.03 MPH.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:14:23 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot figure this out!
My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled by the
original radiotor, a 307 car one.
The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or maybe
160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...

Completely flushed radiator and block with cleaner and high pressure
rinse, in both directions of flow.
Checked plugs, no sign of rust, to indicate coolant in combustion
chamber,
Checked oil, so sign of water mixing in.
No signs of cracked head or gasket in any way.
No loss of coolant anywhere.
Water pump is very new, as is fan clutch.
Fan spins straight and fast.
Coolant seems to flow through entire system unrestricted when i run a
hose through it.
Radiator appears to be undented, and no squirrels are stuck to the front
of it.

What else can I check?  I really think the radiator is screwed, or just
insufficient to cool the 403, especially with 10.5:1 comp.
ANY ideas?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:17:50 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

Man O man............I'd love to have some of what this cat is 
smokin'.....!!!!



From:          rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)

i have an 83 Delta with 2.5 4 banger with 1.07:1 rear and it lays rubber
all the way up to sixth gear.  Top speed is 487.03 MPH.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:20:39 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:34:45 -0400 (EDT) "Nathyn M. Knipe"
<nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu> writes:
>does that buick have a bubble in the hood???  if it does i may be
>interested in it.......Nathyn
>
Not for a Cutlass I hope, the lines don't match up.  Are you saying you
own a Buick!?!?!

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:25:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Discounts Revisited...

To recap our last episode ;-) I have a contact and am working towards
getting a club discount for members of the Oldsmobile Mailing List with
Year One.  For those who don't know of them, Year One sells for the most
part reproductions and some NOS parts for more than just Oldsmobiles.
With Oldsmobile's they concentrate on mid 60's to 70's Cutlasses 442's
etc. but some other parts can also be found.  I am also working to see if
I can get a discount with Kanter though there is nothing certain yet.
Kanter seems a good source for parts for pre-60's cars.  So far so good
with Year One though...

Am compiling the names and addresses from those who responded.  So far I
have 35 interested parties.  As I believe that the discount is based on
the number of people included, I'd like to wait until I have 50 to 100
interested to get with the people from Year One.  The discount will be
somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 to 10 percent of all purchases.
Again, send all responses to float@lazarus.ehc.edu I need your name and
address for you to be included!

Also, a note, have recieved messages from some, worried about privacy,
concerned about me routing responses to another e-mail address... the
address is float@lazarus.ehc.edu  This address is mine, and I am using it
to keep the responses seperate as I get over 100 messages a day (and
that's on digest mode at my ETSU address).  I promise that I won't sell
any names or adresses or use them commercially for anything... I can't
stand that sort of thing!

Also... have noticed something from the responses... For how many of you
out there has owning an Oldsmobile actually influenced where you live?
There is one list member who lives in the 34429 zip code, another lives on
425th Street, and another lives (my favorite) on Speedwell Road ;-)
I also know of a Toro list member who lives in OLDSmar Florida.  I decided
to look up a few zip codes to see what might be desireable Oldsmobile
addresses... have listed them below:

66442 Ft. Riley, KS
66425 Fairview, KS
67442 Falun, KS
68442 Stella, NE
70442 Husser, LA
71442 Kurthwood, LA
72442 Manila, AR
70455 Robert, LA
44222 Cuyahoga Falls, OH
44266 Ravenna, OH
44270 Rittman, OH
44272 Rootstown, OH
44288 Windham, OH (2 of Olds's best ;-)
15688 Tarrs, PA
49881 Sagola, MI
37132 Murfreesboro, TN  (read 371 3-2bbl)

You can look up others at http://zipinfo.com/search/zipcode.htm
Interestingly enough, neither zip code 44269 nor zip code 69442 are
assigned to any city... wonder if this is because of the number's...
ahem... connotations...



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |           http://www.442.com/pierce.html
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:35:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

my friend has a buick of which he wants to put a hood on with a bubble in
it......

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Ray Costanzo wrote:

>
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:34:45 -0400 (EDT) "Nathyn M. Knipe"
> <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu> writes:
> >does that buick have a bubble in the hood???  if it does i may be
> >interested in it.......Nathyn
> >
> Not for a Cutlass I hope, the lines don't match up.  Are you saying you
> own a Buick!?!?!
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:35:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: html in olds list messages

Can we please turn the html off?  I counted 4 or 5 messages in the most
recent digest alone written in html... it may make everything pretty but
when others (myself) crank up their old text only browsers... it makes it
really hard to read and takes up unnecessary (sp?) space.  Most newer
e-mail programs have the option to send messages in html... PLEASE... for
my sake ;-) turn this option off.  Write me I'll be glad to try to help
you do so if you don't know how :->


Thanks...


    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |           http://www.442.com/pierce.html
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:43:19 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Steering Box...less Boat-like

Hi guys,

I have a '66 Delta 88 Celebrity Sedan, 425V8.  I am having the front end
worked on and am in need of info.  I would like a quicker-ratio steering
box than my original.  I remember seeing a thread several months ago
about stock looking box with a quicker steering ratio.  I would like to
lessen the boatlike feel.  Any help would be appreciated.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:51:30 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Locks

how easy can you get your hands on a pair of door locks for a 56 Olds?  The
ford locks I have installed now have gotta go and the cheapest I can find
locks are for 50 dollars a lock.....I don't think the locks I have are
repairable.


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:50:29 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

Ray,
How long does it take you to get to maximum velocity?
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:01 PM
>
> i have an 83 Delta with 2.5 4 banger with 1.07:1 rear and it lays rubber
> all the way up to sixth gear.  Top speed is 487.03 MPH.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:58:53 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

As far as the body, the doors are interchangable
John,
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:56:20 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray again,
Some times it will run cooler with the thermostat left in. Coolant goes
through the radiator faster than the heat exchange (with incoming air) can
dissipate it. Try a good brand 180 degree. Could be worth a try. had a
similar problem with a different brand car.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 6:14 PM
>
> I cannot figure this out!
> My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled by the
> original radiotor, a 307 car one.
> The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
> between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
> This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or maybe
> 160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
>
> Completely flushed radiator and block with cleaner and high pressure
> rinse, in both directions of flow.
> Checked plugs, no sign of rust, to indicate coolant in combustion
> chamber,
> Checked oil, so sign of water mixing in.
> No signs of cracked head or gasket in any way.
> No loss of coolant anywhere.
> Water pump is very new, as is fan clutch.
> Fan spins straight and fast.
> Coolant seems to flow through entire system unrestricted when i run a
> hose through it.
> Radiator appears to be undented, and no squirrels are stuck to the front
> of it.
>
> What else can I check?  I really think the radiator is screwed, or just
> insufficient to cool the 403, especially with 10.5:1 comp.
> ANY ideas?
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:02:12 EDT
From: WMagdziarz@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

Any idea where I can locate a replacement car antenna for a 1967 Delta 88?

Thanks,
Bill Magdziarz-Rainey
(612) 930-1091

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:16:13 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Found a Quad 4 for sale?!?

If anyone is interested, this was posted in a company classified ad
flyer:

88 Olds Cutlass Q4 Calais
BLK w/ red interior
Loaded, Auto Trans, 65K miles, Clean w/fresh tires, hoses
Very little rust
Strong runner, smooth pull, Very noisy engine
$600.  Call Tom @ 815-648-4257

(Chicago area, McHenry County probably, that is area code 815)

Usual disclaimers, I know nothing of the car or the person, but there
are Q4 enthusiasts here, that may be interested.  If I had the dough I
would grab it for a winter beater!!  Would be phun!!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:38:27 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: 200-4R

<The trans in a t-type is the strongest 200-4R that was available. It has
<different components from other 200-4Rs. If it's for any performance
<application, I've been told that it is highly recommended to start with a
GN/T-type trans.
Ray Costanzo 87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

Is that listed as a 200-R4?

Gary.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:49:48 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray,
I know how you feel.  With my 455 (this was all at about 500 miles on the
engine but still) and 180deg. thermostat (factory recomended 190) it will
run all day in the city at about 190 degrees.  BUT, as soon as you hit 55
mph and faster the temp would climb slow and steady.  After 45 mins on
freeway, I finally shut it down when the temp gage was reading 230.
Supprised it did not blow the rad cap.  I nixed the 307 rad in favor of the
'80 Custom Cruiser 250 HD cooling rad when I installed the 455.  I checked
the specks, and even the '76 and that bodystile Deltas with 455 and tow
package had the same rad I have.  Once the body is done and I get that 455
going again, I will change the thermostat to 160deg.  (I think it should run
cooler with 160 deg. thermo then with no thermo. at all), and get some air
piped to the heads (i.e. like ram air for aircleaner only chanel it to hit
the heads, keep them cooler on freeway).  Also, I heard that the rubber
gasket found on the back of the engine bay that seals the bay when the hood
is closed should be removed to allow some of the excess heat to escape.  I
will try all this and let you know.  If if does not work, don't be supprised
to see a HE/P me post.  Igor.


Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:11 PM
Subject: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>I cannot figure this out!
>My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled by the
>original radiotor, a 307 car one.
>The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
>between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
>This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or maybe
>160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
>
>Completely flushed radiator and block with cleaner and high pressure
>rinse, in both directions of flow.
>Checked plugs, no sign of rust, to indicate coolant in combustion
>chamber,
>Checked oil, so sign of water mixing in.
>No signs of cracked head or gasket in any way.
>No loss of coolant anywhere.
>Water pump is very new, as is fan clutch.
>Fan spins straight and fast.
>Coolant seems to flow through entire system unrestricted when i run a
>hose through it.
>Radiator appears to be undented, and no squirrels are stuck to the front
>of it.
>
>What else can I check?  I really think the radiator is screwed, or just
>insufficient to cool the 403, especially with 10.5:1 comp.
>ANY ideas?
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>
>_____________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:56:03 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: Legal Question

I have a question for all you legal experts out there...

Is it illegal to give away, or make public, instructions on how to fabricate
a (more than likely) patented part, like say, a console mounting bracket,
if:

a) the instructions tell how to identically reproduce the part,
b) the instructions are given away at no charge, and
c) the author(s) attach a disclaimer or state that the instructions are for
educational purposes only?

Obviously, for a person to reproduce and sell patented parts would be
illegal without first getting permission from GM.  But it shouldn't be
illegal to show someone how to reproduce something for their own use.  Kinda
like it's illegal to duplicate a video tape and sell it, but it's not
illegal to duplicate it, or tell someone how to duplicate their tape, for
your/their own private use...

Respond privately if you would...

Thanks,
Blaine

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:58:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Antenna

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 WMagdziarz@aol.com wrote:

> Any idea where I can locate a replacement car antenna for a 1967 Delta 88?

Try Dennie Turner in Florida, 352-245-8346

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:30:25 -0000
From: "Mike Druger" <mdruger@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 74 h/o decale

Try Tamraz's Parts Discount Warehouse chicagolands oldest and largest
cutlass/442 parts warehouse
Phone: 630-904-4500  they have them for $15.
- -----Original Message-----
From: KENSOLDS9@aol.com <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:33 AM
Subject: 74 h/o decale


>does any one know were i can get the decale that goes on the front of the
>quarter panels, just behind the doors on a 74 hurst olds? its the round
decale
>about the size of a 45 record.  any info on were to get one would be a big
>help .           please email me back
>. thanks alot , ken

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:56:08 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: names

David L Wyatt wrote:
> I
> am glad we have Oldsmobiles as they are less confusing, I think.

Yeah, all we have to worry about is whether it's an 88, an Eighty Eight,
a Super 88, a Jetstar 88, a Dynamic 88, a Delta 88, a Delta 88 Custom, a
Delta 88 Royale, a Delmont 88, or an 88 Royale?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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