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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 28 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1453



Re: New odometer for 72??
87 Olds
Re: New odometer for 72??
Re: New odometer for 72??
RE: Hold-down minutiae - Again!?!?
wipermotor
Applause? was: Valve Overlap and: Mutitester .... .... ..
Re: Battery?  Alternator?  Exhaust Leak?
'69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: exhaust manifolds
RE: exhaust manifolds
Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: 72 Gas Cap & antique plates
69 cutless-what's it worth
Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: 2 bbl to 4 bbl Conversions; Whad'ya think?
Wanted: Info from a recent posting.
Re: New odometer for 72??
Re: New odometer for 72??
Ceramic coatings
W-31
Lifter Removal
Interior Parts
Gas Tank Vents
Re: New odometer for 72??
RE: W-31
69 442 drivers fender needed
Re: Lifter Removal
Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: wipermotor
Re: Ceramic coatings
Re: 69 cutless-what's it worth
Re: header for '70 442 (455/auto)
Service Manual for '84 Cutlass
Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: 69 cutless-what's it worth
Re: Ceramic coatings
Re: New odometer for 72??
Just the FAQs ma'am
Re: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass
Decomputerization?
Re: New odometer for 72??
Re: New odometer for 72??
RE: New odometer for 72??
Re: Ceramic coatings
'71 442 engine question...
Re: UPDATE aluminum heads!
Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: Just the FAQs ma'am
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings
RE: '71 442 engine question...
RE: Just the FAQs ma'am
Re: Lifter Removal
RE: '71 442 engine question...
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: UPDATE aluminum heads!
Non-Olds: Quick W95 Sound Help
still recieving- please remove me again
RE: UPDATE aluminum heads!
Re: Decomputerization?
RE: '71 442 engine question...

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:37:24 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

you would probably want to change the whole odometer...

don't think you'll find any nos units..

I have a few units..

jeff

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:32:32 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: 87 Olds

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  87 Olds

   Who?  I have an 87 Cutlass Supreme

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass
   ray.costanzo@firstunion.com















































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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:35:43 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

Is there a place to just buy the digit assembly? It is easy to change, just
don't know who carries these assemblies.
Pettrix@prodigy.net
______________

It's actually pretty easy to reset the odo once you disassemble the speedo;
I typically do this on every car I restore (set it to 00000 once it's back
on the road).  Take the speedo out of it's case.  I forget the exact
details on removing the odo barrel, as it's been a while, but I do remember
it comes apart pretty easily and obviously.  The odo barrel is basically
six numbered wheels on a common shaft, with thin tabs sticking out between
each wheel.  The tabs have a notch in each one and fit over a metal flange
in the speedo assembly.  This is what prevents the numbers from rotating
backwards.  (Note:  be careful, as the tabs break easily - I've done it and
this trashes the odo barrel)

Once the odo barrel is out of the speedo, you will be able to rotate the
numbers to whatever you desire.  Reinstallation is simply the reverse of
removal - just be sure that the tabs all fit back over the flange in the
speedo.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:38:31 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

Why are you rolling the odometer back?
____________

I just wanted to clarify this.  When I reset the odo in my cars, it was for
cars which I had completely rebuilt for my own personal consumption, with
no intention of reselling.  I don't know about other states, but here in
Virginia the title has an odo certification box where you either indicate
that the mileage on the odo is correct or that the odo has been changed.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:47 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Hold-down minutiae - Again!?!?

Chris,

I'm certainly no expert on W-31s (there's that pesky "under 400 cu in"
problem, after all...), but I will say that the _service manuals_  for
1969, 1970, and 1971 all are very consistent on showing the fingers used on
the TH350 and the non-fingers used on the TH400.  Having said this, I can
also document mistakes in the service manuals, including the use of
incorrect illustrations (classic are the cases where an incorrect
illustration is used one year then the same incorrect picture is carried
over in subsequent years).  There are also inconsistencies between the
service manuals and parts books, especially for minor details like this
which didn't effect the function of the car.  Frankly, the assembly manual
is supposed to be composed of the engineering drawings used to build the
car, so (speaking as an engineer) if the manual has been reproduced
properly (which is to say that _those_ illustrations could also be
incorrect) then the assembly manual and not the service manual (which was
put together by tech writers, I'm sure) reflects the intended design.

'Course, all of this goes right down the tubes when the assembly line
worker doesn't have the correct clips and simply uses the other one to keep
the line moving...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:27:38 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: wipermotor

God morning gang

I need an ansver fast. just got my new wiper motor and it is not the same as 
the
one i have is there a differense betven a wiper motor  fore a 69 cutlass and 
one
fore a 69 f85?????? the one i have is the rektangular motor and the one i got 
is
round.. PLEASE HELP

Tia

 Trond

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:32:41 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Applause? was: Valve Overlap and: Mutitester .... .... ..

<< Hmph. The next time you need six pages on How to Empty the Ashtray,
 don't come crying to me. -- Andy >>

<< KA,
 exhaust gases  ....is known as reversion.
 Kevin White
 look only 2  caps >>

What?
Yeah!
Great.
I would applaud but you see there are TWO ash tray on my dashboard, and well,
I went and tried to clean both at the same time and well...

I'm stuck!

Uh, Andy?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:43:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net
Subject: Re: Battery?  Alternator?  Exhaust Leak?

>
>1)  All of a sudden, it's hard to start my car.  I crank for 5-7 seconds and
>nothing.  Then, I crank for a few more seconds and it kinda shudders to
>life.  Mind you, this is when the motor's cold, but still, it used to crank
>right up.  Do I need a new battery? .  Or, do
>I need a new alternator?

Why not test both with a simple volt meter?

>
>2)  I seem to have developed an exhaust leak ahead of the cat.  After a
>thorough drive, there's a thudding sound from the lower right-hand side of
>the engine.

Where is your catalytic converter? It is possible a restiction in the
exhaust ---i.e., the converter, is causing your poor start problems, epec if
 sometimes your engine doesn't seem to run normally.

Shot in the dark....

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Just thought I would send an update on our progress in transplanting
the engine and tranny from the '69 Supreme northern ruster to the
clean California '70 Cutlass S.

We finally got all the engine noises worked out. The push rods needed
to quiet the performer cam and lifters come from a '79 Ch*bby 454
intake!  Nice and quiet now, no lifter noise.  Purrs like a kitten,
well a ~Really Big~ kitten.

Now we just need to get the charging system working and we'll be on
the road!

By the way, we have the '69 Supreme to part out.  Not much for body
except for a good hood and trunk lid. All the glass is there and in
good shape.  The bumpers are fair, but I think they can be redone.
There are also some interior parts that can be salvaged.  If anybody
needs these parts, let me know.  The rest will go to the crusher in a
few months if I can't get rid of it.
==
Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
1553 Read Road
Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
(608) 756-4352

'70 Cutlass S "on the way"
'69 Cutlass "soon to be parts car" Supreme
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:46:33 EDT
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re: exhaust manifolds

Jim CThere were NO dual exhaust manifolds for the 350 or 330 cu in cars.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:59:26 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: exhaust manifolds

>Jim CThere were NO dual exhaust manifolds for the 350 or 330 cu in cars.

Huh?  Jim Chermack I'd guess is taking cover now.
Dual exhaust 350 cars, ie W-31 and Rallye 350, used the regular 350
manifolds with the crossover outlet on the passenger side capped.  At
least that's how my W-31 is.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:12:29 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Dave Welsh wrote:
>
> By the way, we have the '69 Supreme to part out.  Not much for body
> except for a good hood and trunk lid. All the glass is there and in
> good shape.  The bumpers are fair, but I think they can be redone.
> There are also some interior parts that can be salvaged.  If anybody
> needs these parts, let me know.  The rest will go to the crusher in a
> few months if I can't get rid of it.

Will any of these parts fit my 70 S? I could always use a new
windshield.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:13:04 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: 72 Gas Cap & antique plates

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Peter Landowski wrote
<You got that right...As a police officer I can attest that to date I =
have
<never, nor anyone on the department has pulled over someone with =
Antique

I am glad to hear it from the horses mouth.  Many of my friends who are =
cops here in OakPark, Il have said the same thing.  Actually, they also =
said if you get pulled over no matter what time of day just say you are =
coming from a show if it is late at night or headed to the auto store =
during the day. =20

Speaking of, I had court last week for squealing my tires. Got pulled =
over in Westchester, for those in Illinois you know how bad those guys =
are - I grew up there.  It pissed me off, the guys I know on their force =
couldn't believe it. I was turning right from a complete stop and yes my =
tires were squealing but I  was NOT dragging, or endangering anyone.  =
The judge laughed, but unfortunately I was caught going 14 mph on an =
entrance ramp over a year ago in my "PLEASE PULL ME OVER RED" SHO and =
when the judge saw that probation on my record he gave me a $75 =
probation. =20

Hey Peter, what do you say to a cop who pulls you over for squealing,  =
What a waste of time.  I really get offended when I guy like me who =
NEVER EVER drinks and drives has to sit in court for two hours and =
listen to a bunch of lying drunks whine about their 2nd or 3rd DUI and =
the judge lets them off on probation and promises and then continues to =
act like us mild speeders or tire squealers are about to kill someone.

OK done with my soapbox

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:44:12 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: 69 cutless-what's it worth

I'm looking at a 69 Cutless Conv. with a 350 and automatic trans. It's red
with a white top and white interior. It has rallaye wheels new shocks and new
tires. The guy has it since 1984, says it's always garaged and has no rust.
He's asking $8,000. The car is in New Jersey. I will see it tomorrow morning.
I need to know if the car is priced right or not. Any help-greatly
appreciated.
TIA
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:49:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Matt Cremean asked:
>
>Will any of these parts fit my 70 S? I could always use a new
>windshield.
>
>--
I'm pretty sure the windshield will fit. The one in my '68 is from a later
model with antenna in windshield. Fits like it was made for it.

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:16 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2 bbl to 4 bbl Conversions; Whad'ya think?

In a message dated 98-08-22 16:35:03 EDT, you write:

<< My 2bbl setup is sitting out in the shed gathering spiders.  An
 Edelbrock Performer intake and 600cfm carb sit under the hood.  I have
 no use for a slow car.  >>

Greg?

You Still gots?

The spiders, I mean...

No of course the 2v carb.

Are you selling?
What would you ask?

Dunno that Karl needs another 2bbl intake...

What year olds are they from?
(might make a difference)

Thanks!

K

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:17 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Wanted: Info from a recent posting.

On, or about the Twenty Second of August, in the year of our Lord 1998 AD (or
1998 CE if you prefer), a curious Oldsmobiler posted about a J-2 tripower
intake.

I anyone has that posting please send me a copy.

If the author of the post is reading, I would like to ask you some questions.

PLEASE, please, please send Email direct to KarlAune@aol.com !

Thanks!

SOM

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:50:02 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

At 01:31 AM 8/28/98 +0000, you wrote:
>>I recently installed a new motor and trans in my 72 442. The odometer reads
>26,000 miles. I pulled the speedometer/odometer assembly out and tried to
>roll the numbers  back to 00000.
>
>I need to ask this. Why are you rolling the odometer back? You don't
>normally do this just because you put in a new motor. What you are doing
>isn't exactly legal.

He isn't selling the car.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:54:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

>I just wanted to clarify this.  When I reset the odo in my cars, it was for
>cars which I had completely rebuilt for my own personal consumption, with
>no intention of reselling.  I don't know about other states, but here in
>Virginia the title has an odo certification box where you either indicate
>that the mileage on the odo is correct or that the odo has been changed.
>

Most states have that. Some even have a "beyond expected mechanical lifepsan"
box which almost always gets checked at 100,000 miles. If either one is
checked
the odometer is just for personal record keeping anyways.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:06:58 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: Ceramic coatings

Hey all,
	I just received this E-mail and thought I'd share it with
everyone.  I inquired about getting my exhaust manifolds coated, and
this was the reply I got.
	Has anyone tried/used this process before?

dear steve: the ceramic coating is applied to inside & outside at
.007-.015 thickness.The main purpose for coating is to keep the exhaust
temp.inside the manifold-keeping the engine compartment much cooler &
hotter exhaust temp results in  increased  horsepower.The coatings
should
last a lifetime depending on correct usage.  They are guaranteed to not
rust or flake off. The cost for a set of big block manifolds is $135.00
to $140.00. Your choices of colors are:polished (chrome like
finish),cast
iron or black.  The black is the best heat barrier.. The shop time is 1
week  or less & we usually ship cod UPS.  Let us know if other
arrangements will be needed.We do all the necessary prep work.
you can e-mail us directly at finishline_coatings@juno.com
thankyou for your inquiry.lona jensen

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:12:52 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: W-31

Could someone please tell me what rear ends came on the 1970 W-31's? Was it
just the "391" or were there other options? Were they all anti-spin? As
usuall THANKS and isn't this "list" GREAT!! Hope everyone has a nice
weekend, Jack

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:21:53 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: Lifter Removal

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: 425 lifter dia. ques.

<Snip>
 Any advice tricks on pulling lifters first time.

Thanks,

Erik Ferguson
ef01@sprynet.com

Erik,
	If the lifters a bit difficult, I would recommend spraying a
generous amount of WD-40 around the lifter bore, and try and turn them
back and forth with a pair of channel locks.  If they are real difficult
to remove, KD-Tools makes a lifter removing tool.  It has a shape of ][
at the bottom and the paws expand in the top lip of the lifter, and you
just pull them out.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:29:31 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: Interior Parts

Where is the best place to look for interior parts for a '68 Delmont?  Is
there a repro company?
Tim
'68 Delmont
76 Cutlass street stock

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:34:43 -0600
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@uswest.net>
Subject: Gas Tank Vents

More gas tank questions!

Joe Padavano politely reminded:
<snip>
I hope you caught the post on the list pointing
out that the two vent lines actually have a small plastic vent at their
top ends.
<snip>

Um, I saw the post, I appreciated the information, I lost it somewhere
after that. Called some dealers trying to locate one, general response
"listings don't go that far back".

What does this fitting do? Any ideas where I might get one? Any good
work around if I can't find one?

Thanks again, sorry to run this gas tank thing to death.

Tom Starkey - '68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:39:47 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

Barring all else, take it out, hook the speedo to an electric motor, and
spin the whole assembly 74,000 miles....

I believe I'll do this for mine too, as I got it power-trainless and
have no idea what it's original history was anyways (reads 50,000, but
realistically could mean 50,000 150,000, or even 250,000).

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/gobstop.shmtl

Peter Landowski wrote:
>
> I recently installed a new motor and trans in my 72 442. The odometer reads
> 26,000 miles. I pulled the speedometer/odometer assembly out and tried to
> roll the numbers  back to 00000. I had no luck. It would only roll forward
> (very slowly).
> Is there a place to just buy the digit assembly? It is easy to change, just
> don't know who carries these assemblies.
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:39:42 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: W-31

Std was 3:91 and I believe options where  3:42, 4:33 and 4:66.  And the
dealer could install a -->5:00<--
And I'm pretty sure they were all anti_spin, but not positive.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:45:17 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: 69 442 drivers fender needed

Hey list I need a drivers fender for my 69 442 that is in decent shape. The
one that I have now is from a C/S and has been reworked a little to much for
me. Any one have a good one e-mail me privately Thanks Chris

Chris Sommerville
69 442 SC
70 442
70 W31
74 98 (Engine doner and on its way to the crusher, if you need any thing let
me know)

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:51:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Lifter Removal

>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
>From: ef01@sprynet.com
>Subject: 425 lifter dia. ques.
>
><Snip>
> Any advice tricks on pulling lifters first time.
>
>
>
>Erik,
>	If the lifters a bit difficult, I would recommend spraying a
>generous amount of WD-40 around the lifter bore, and try and turn them
>back and forth with a pair of channel locks.  If they are real difficult
>to remove, KD-Tools makes a lifter removing tool.  It has a shape of ][
>at the bottom and the paws expand in the top lip of the lifter, and you
>just pull them out.
>

I'd like to add another $.015 to this. I just recently did this & I found
that it made the lifters significantly easier to remove with slide
hammer-type puller if you first pry out the wire clips and plunger.  Gets a
much better "bite" & saved me a lot of time once I came on to that little
discovery.

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:53:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Matt Cremean asked:
>
>Will any of these parts fit my 70 S? I could always use a new
>windshield.
>
>--
I'm pretty sure the windshield will fit. The one in my '68 is from a later
model with antenna in windshield. Fits like it was made for it.

roger hitson

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:41:13 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: wipermotor

TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN wrote:

> God morning gang
>
> I need an ansver fast. just got my new wiper motor and it is not the same as
the one i have > is there a differense betven a wiper motor  fore a 69 cutlass
and one fore a 69 f85?????? > the one i have is the rektangular motor and the
one i got is round.. > PLEASE HELP > > Tia > >  Trond


Trond,
There are two wiper systems used in 1969.  The round motor is the "depressed
park" model (recessed wipers).  The square motor is the non depressed park
model.  The two will not interchange.  Nor will any of the related components
(wiper transmission, washer pump, etc.).

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:47:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ceramic coatings

> to $140.00. Your choices of colors are:polished (chrome like
> finish),cast
> iron or black.  The black is the best heat barrier.. The shop time is 1

If the black is only different in color to polished and cast this is not
true!
Black on one hand absorbs the most heat from the exhaust (it will not be
applied in the inside though I guess).
On the other hand black produces the most (widest spectrum of) heat
radiation. (That is for ex. why a black frying pan will get your food
darker in shorter time than a stainless pan.)

Just could not hold back.
George

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:57:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 69 cutless-what's it worth

> I'm looking at a 69 Cutless Conv. with a 350 and automatic trans. It's red
> with a white top and white interior. It has rallaye wheels new shocks and new
> tires. The guy has it since 1984, says it's always garaged and has no rust.
> He's asking $8,000. The car is in New Jersey. I will see it tomorrow morning.
> I need to know if the car is priced right or not. Any help-greatly
> appreciated.

This does not sound like an unreasonable price straight ahead. But you
will have to come back tomorrow and tell the people on the list about
mileage, matching numbers, originality of paint and top and so forth. I
also have experienced very different definitions of "no rust". For a lot
of people this just means "no holes...". Also new tires and shocks is
good but that is sure the least expensive and important thing to get and
seems to me as if the seller was looking for something new and great to
present because the rest of the car does not offer much...;-) just a
guess.
You can also go to the bookstore and get yourself (or look up) a classic
car price guide. That will give you an idea what it is worth and how you
would have to group it with its condition. (2-4?)
Yust don't rush into something. There are a lot of cutlass conv. out
there. Look at it and spend at least 1 night before you decide. That is
what I always do and it helps!
Good Luck. So long,
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:15:37 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: header for '70 442 (455/auto)

>I agree with you on the whole economy thing, but I was told the hookers
>wouldn't fit.  What setup are you running?

I have a 71 442 with a 455 and 4 sp.  The Hooker Competition are 3701 I think.
Hard to believe there is no Hooker Competition that will fit a 70 455.  Try
Jegs and Summit.

Todd Morris

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:27 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass

Members,

Does anyone know where I can purchase a GM Service Manual for a 1984
Cutlass Supreme (not the Chilton or Haynes, I have them) without
purchasing directly through GM??

Also, what year did GM begin using Lockup Torque Converters??

thanks
Stan

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:12:45 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

> Dave Welsh wrote:
> >
> > By the way, we have the '69 Supreme to part out.  Not much for body
> > except for a good hood and trunk lid. All the glass is there and in
> > good shape.  The bumpers are fair, but I think they can be redone.
> > There are also some interior parts that can be salvaged.  If anybody
> > needs these parts, let me know.  The rest will go to the crusher in a
> > few months if I can't get rid of it.
>
> Will any of these parts fit my 70 S? I could always use a new
> windshield.
>
> Matt Cremean

Matt,
Although the Olds parts books, Hollanders, etc. say the windshields will
not interchange, I found out a few weeks back (with the help of some list
members) when I replaced the windshield in our 69 Vista Cruiser with a 71
VC windshield, the only difference is the antenna.

The windshield from a 69 2 door hardtop will fit a 70 2 door hardtop.  The
only problem when using the 69 windshield in your 70, will be the lack of
an antenna.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:17:21 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Matt Cremean asked:
>
>Will any of these parts fit my 70 S? I could always use a new
>windshield.
>
>--
I'm pretty sure the windshield will fit. The one in my '68 is from a later
model with antenna in windshield. Fits like it was made for it.

roger hitson
______________

Matt, while the windshield will physically fit, the 68-69 windshields will
not have the radio antenna used on the 70-72 cars.  This is not a problem
if you have a power antenna, but otherwise the radio won't work.  I did it
the other way, putting a 70 windshield in my 68 years ago to eliminate the
outside antenna.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-03
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:30:13 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 cutless-what's it worth

  Well said, all good advice. I would only add that there's no substitute for
seeing another car. If you can compare it to something else, that's a good
barometer. If that's not possible then try the internet to see prices,
pictures and details about same cars. www.traderonline.com ,
www.specialinterest.com can help you out.
Prices will vary a little in areas but you"ll get a feel for what's out there.
Good luck!


wood
70 cutlass
73 delta convertible

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:34:59 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ceramic coatings

In a message dated 8/28/98 11:52:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
sreed@cp.varco.com writes:

<< They are guaranteed to not
 rust or flake off. The cost for a set of big block manifolds is $135.00
 to $140.00. >>

I don't know about the quality of this company, but I just sent my manifolds
off to Jet Hot, along with a check for $230. But.... this included blasting
the manifolds, coating them inside and out, and return shipping.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:34:38 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

>Why are you rolling the odometer back?
>____________
>
>I just wanted to clarify this.  When I reset the odo in my cars, it was
>for cars which I had completely rebuilt for my own personal >consumption,
with no intention of reselling.

This I can understand  and would agree with. Technically the car would be a
reconstructed vehicle

> but here in Virginia the title has an odo certification box where you
>either indicate that the mileage on the odo is correct or that the odo >has
been changed.


Same here in PA


Thanks,
Randy

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:20 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: Just the FAQs ma'am

(sorry, but the subject seemed appropriate)

Well, I finally got off my butt and decided to take a quick peak at the
FAQ last night.  Man, it keeps growing.  I'm very impressed with the
amount of info it contains, good job by all.

The one question I do have is if I/we notice some incorrect data in the
FAQ or have some information to fill in missing parts of the FAQ or new
things for the FAQ, who should this be emailed to?  Dave Brown?  Just
curious as I will try an attempt at gathering some info about W-31s to
fill in some of the missing items in that section.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:49:46 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass

Stan, I inquired about these at the Oldsmobile dealer in town and you
couldn't buy one there if you wanted to.  They gave me a 1-800 number that
I've long since forgotten.  I got my Service Manuals (a set of 3) from
Blaine Sanders (still on the list?).  Buying them used is probably the best
way to go.

Unfortunately, to get to your question, I don't know anyone with a set
that's for sale.  Sorry...

I think GM started using TCC's in 1976?  Someone please verify/correct this.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Weaver, Stanleigh G <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
To: 'Submit oldsmobile question' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 1:20 PM
Subject: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass


>Members,
>
>Does anyone know where I can purchase a GM Service Manual for a 1984
>Cutlass Supreme (not the Chilton or Haynes, I have them) without
>purchasing directly through GM??
>
>Also, what year did GM begin using Lockup Torque Converters??

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Decomputerization?

Dave Wyatt wrote:
I am also eliminating the computer and this info was very timely.  Ray
says that the metering rods will not really be effected in the stock
carb.  This has been my only concern<Snip>

Wait!!!!!!!!  The carb will run full rich w/o the computer telling the
metering rods to 'cycle'! If you remove the computer you really need a
regular non-electronic carb and a precomputer HEI distributor.


==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:50:54 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

With a complete drivetrain that is new and all new suspension. The body and
interior will also be new. So in the end the car will be like new. Anyway,
when you sell the car the mileage on the title is never transfered or
REQUIRED. This is due to the fact that the car is 26 years old. I am not
planning on selling the car anyway. New odometers are sometimes installed
on new cars that wrecked and rebuilt.
Here in Ilinois when a car is as old as my 72, the title NEVER STATES the
mileage, so whats the difference anyway?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:31 PM
>
> >I recently installed a new motor and trans in my 72 442. The odometer
reads
> 26,000 miles. I pulled the speedometer/odometer assembly out and tried to
> roll the numbers  back to 00000.
>
> I need to ask this. Why are you rolling the odometer back? You don't
> normally do this just because you put in a new motor. What you are doing
> isn't exactly legal. The odometer reading is the mileage on the whole
car,
> not just the motor. I was hanging out at my neighbors garage the other
day
> and he went over this same thing with one of his customers. He even
called
> the state police and had them explain it to his customer.
>
> Just wondering,
> Randy

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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:53:14 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

Well unfortunately I broke that little plastic tab. So I have no choice but
to get another speedo.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 8:35 AM
>
> Is there a place to just buy the digit assembly? It is easy to change,
just
> don't know who carries these assemblies.
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> ______________
>
> It's actually pretty easy to reset the odo once you disassemble the
speedo;
> I typically do this on every car I restore (set it to 00000 once it's
back
> on the road).  Take the speedo out of it's case.  I forget the exact
> details on removing the odo barrel, as it's been a while, but I do
remember
> it comes apart pretty easily and obviously.  The odo barrel is basically
> six numbered wheels on a common shaft, with thin tabs sticking out
between
> each wheel.  The tabs have a notch in each one and fit over a metal
flange
> in the speedo assembly.  This is what prevents the numbers from rotating
> backwards.  (Note:  be careful, as the tabs break easily - I've done it
and
> this trashes the odo barrel)
>
> Once the odo barrel is out of the speedo, you will be able to rotate the
> numbers to whatever you desire.  Reinstallation is simply the reverse of
> removal - just be sure that the tabs all fit back over the flange in the
> speedo.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:00:40 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: New odometer for 72??

>Here in Ilinois when a car is as old as my 72, the title NEVER STATES the
>mileage, so whats the difference anyway?
Really?
My W-31 was titled in IL (until recently) and under 'MILEAGE' was stated
'EXEMPT' , pretty sure it did.

It's the same in IN too.  My 71 Skylark title says exempt.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:03:06 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Ceramic coatings

Jon442@aol.com wrote:

>
> I don't know about the quality of this company, but I just sent my manifolds
> off to Jet Hot, along with a check for $230. But.... this included blasting
> the manifolds, coating them inside and out, and return shipping.
>
> Jon

	I had my headers done by Jet-Hot at $255  and then sent out the rest of
my exhaust system (headers to tips) at $260. Also the longest piece that
they can handle is 53", anything over that is VERY expensive. I the
system made up in 6 sections. (2 for H pipe, 2 flowmasters, 2 tail
pipes, then had SS tips made and tacked on after the coating)

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>


            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: '71 442 engine question...

Was the 350 standard or optional? Or if one has a 350 now, it's not original??

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:22:42 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: UPDATE aluminum heads!

Sam , I have about 600 extra in mine, and it would have been more if I had not
had Ben do it befor me.   Butch 68 442 post

Johnson, Sam wrote:

> Ben
>
> How much more did you have to spend when you got the aluminum heads?  I
> wanted to get them for next year and wanted know what extras would I need.
>
> Thanks
>
> PS
>
> That was a great comment too.
>
> Thanks Chris, Somebody out there in olds land actually understood that
> statement. I had this problem before. When I was deployed I signed with the
> list and got email and posed a few questions for my 68 and my 62. Well, I
> got similar responses
> ======================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >1971 Cutlass S 455
> >Westside! Chitown IL
> 17 Wins 11 Losses
> ======================

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:26:42 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings

First, thanks for forwarding this.

Interesting;

<< the ceramic coating is applied to inside & outside at .007-.015
thickness.The main purpose for coating is to keep the exhaust temp.inside the
manifold-keeping the engine compartment much cooler & hotter exhaust temp
results in  increased  horsepower. >>

Gotta take issue with that.

I believe that the real gain in horsies is due to cooler air under the hood
entering the intake on non-OAI cars. Plus radiated heat from exh. mani. is
less, making cylinders  & heads main heat sources. (reducing heat output of
one source is a good idea!)

<< The coatings should last a lifetime depending on correct usage. >>

Uh oh!
Here we go!
"Correct Usage."

If you read the fine print it prolly says; "Leave in garage and do not start
car under any circumstances!"

<< They are guaranteed to not rust or flake off. The cost for a set of big
block manifolds is $135.00 to $140.00. Your choices of colors are:polished
(chrome like
 finish), cast iron or black.  The black is the best heat barrier.. >>

I assume black is the normal color of this goop.

But how does it turn chrome when polished?

Karl did not know that "cast iron" was a color!
Is there some electroplating of iron onto the coating involved there?

Offhand, it does sound like a good deal.

BUT.

Realize what they are saying.
0.015" is approximately the maximum coating.
That means all inside diameters are lowered by 0.030".
This actually pushes your power band peak down by 1 RPM or so.
(Well it could be more, but I am not really motivated to do the calculations
now and I would have to treat the manifolds as headers which ignores the
almost immediate "cross-talk" in stock exhaust manifolds.)

Karl just wanted to point out that there is always a trade-off somewhere.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:23:53 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Was the 350 standard or optional? Or if one has a 350 now, it's not
original??
_______________

A real 71 442 (VIN starts 344...) came with a 455 as the standard engine.
The W-30 was the only option, so yes, the 350 is not original.  Starting in
1972, a small block (350) was available in the 442 for the first time since
1964, mainly because the 442 was demoted from a separate model line to an
option package available on various Cutlii models in 1972.  Even worse, it
was a single  exhaust 350 (Making it a 3.5-4-1 ?)  The 455 and W-30 motors
_were_ available in 72 as well.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:31:28 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Just the FAQs ma'am

In a message dated 98-08-28 13:49:14 EDT, you write:

<< if I/we notice some incorrect data in the FAQ or have some information to
fill in missing parts of the FAQ or new things for the FAQ, who should this be
emailed to?  Dave Brown?  >>

Absolutely right!

Give that man $25 dollars for the brand new ink cartridge he will need to
print out the entire FAQ!

Dave Brown can be reached through;

dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu

And the stack of info he has to root through for pulication in the FAQ is so
huge that he might even get to your suggestion two years from now!

(No. Really!)

Karl Aune
and Soylent Ocean Mist
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Members; OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:34:35 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

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Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> 1972, a small block (350) was available in the 442 for the first time since
> 1964, mainly because the 442 was demoted from a separate model line to an
> option package available on various Cutlii models in 1972.  Even worse, it
> was a single  exhaust 350 (Making it a 3.5-4-1 ?)  The 455 and W-30 motors
> _were_ available in 72 as well.

I have a neighbor who has a 1972 442 with 350 and dual exhausts.  Says it is
original.  I dunno if that is true.  He claimed it is a W31?  I dunno at this
time.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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to an
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worse, it
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I&nbsp;have a neighbor who has a 1972 442 with 350 and dual exhausts.&nbsp;
Says it is
<BR>original.&nbsp; I&nbsp;dunno if that is true.&nbsp; He claimed it is
a W31?&nbsp; I dunno at this time.
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68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Dr. "B"
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:31:25 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings

Karl opined:

...-keeping the engine compartment much cooler & hotter exhaust temp
results in  increased  horsepower. >>

Gotta take issue with that.

I believe that the real gain in horsies is due to cooler air under the hood
entering the intake on non-OAI cars...
___________

True enough, something like one additional HP for every 7 degree F
reduction in inlet temp.  HOWEVER, there may be some basis in fact for the
claim that increased exhaust temp also improves performance.  Increased
temp implies increased velocity, implies increased scavenging of the
combustion chambers (work with me here, I'm reaching for this one...)

===============

<< The coatings should last a lifetime depending on correct usage. >>

Uh oh!
Here we go!
"Correct Usage."
___________

Sounds a lot like "...when driven the same...", doesn't it?   ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:39:47 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: '71 442 engine question...

>was a single  exhaust 350 (Making it a 3.5-4-1 ?)  The 455 and W-30 motors

So lets see, 442, aka 4-4-2 is pronouned four-four-two or four-forty-two
or four-hundred-forty-two, so how is 3.5-4-1 pronounced?  Hmmmm.

Some humor to ponder this friday ;-)

Chris (I really need to get back to work) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:44:35 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Just the FAQs ma'am

>
>And the stack of info he has to root through for pulication in the FAQ is so
>huge that he might even get to your suggestion two years from now!
>
>(No. Really!)
>
Guess, there's no hurry then, huh?  I mean if it took me this long to
~finally~ look at the FAQ since like 1-2 years ago, then don't hold your
breath (Disclaimer: msg author is not responsible for any consequences
or circumstances that can or will result from a reader taking this
statement to literally, thank you) that I'll get to this within the next
couple weeks.  :-)


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:46:46 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lifter Removal

steve,

lifter puller(tool with a claw on the end),and some WD-40.

Kevin White

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:43:09 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: '71 442 engine question...

so how is 3.5-4-1 pronounced?
_____________

S - L - O - W

(Don't tell anyone, but I used to own one...)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:45:14 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

I have a neighbor who has a 1972 442 with 350 and dual exhausts.  Says it
is
original.  I dunno if that is true.  He claimed it is a W31?  I dunno at
this
time.

- --
Chris Sparks
____________

Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
however.  Olds just couldn't get the radical small block to pass smog.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: UPDATE aluminum heads!

I also spent about 5-600 not extra, but after the cost of the heads. You MUST
have new length and diameter push rods, and the only working rockers are 7/16
stud 3/8"rod, 1.6 ratin FULL ROLLER ROCKERS! But I als got some of the best
parts out there. IF I had milled my head to a smaller CC then I'd be well over
600 bucks. But to me it's well worth the money. HOWEVER, if you want a long 
wait
you best order now cause they will be a long time coming if Edelbrock doesn't
change their policy about OUR heads. Good Luck and let us know if you need more
help or info. I learned the hard way and butch got the info from me... But I
really had to dig to find out how to put this new contraption together...

Ben

B. Vosburgh wrote:

> Sam , I have about 600 extra in mine, and it would have been more if I had 
not
> had Ben do it befor me.   Butch 68 442 post
>
> Johnson, Sam wrote:
>
> > Ben
> >
> > How much more did you have to spend when you got the aluminum heads?  I
> > wanted to get them for next year and wanted know what extras would I need.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:04:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Non-Olds: Quick W95 Sound Help

I don't normally do this, but I'm lost here...

The PC here at work has a sound card that from all appearances is working
OK. You can bring up various s/w that allegedly plays multimedia and it
all seems to work normally, to the point where stuff actually plays. But
there is no sound. All volume controls in s/w are at max, including the
one on the taskbar. All control panel settings are OK, and all the
drivers seem normal. But I'm not familiar with sound stuff in W95.

I'm using a set of Walkman headphones. Does that make a difference? I was
able to hear some sound a few times at first, but nothing now. I played a
little test .wav file and heard it, then when I went to play a real .wav
file with voices, nothing. Nor does the original test file work now
either.  I'm stunped. Do you need amplified speakers or something? I
figured walkman headphones would work...

Email me privately if you have any advice. Sorry for the intrusion.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:05:44 EDT
From: BuchD@aol.com
Subject: still recieving- please remove me again

Hi
Im still receiving olds mail occasionally - please remove me again
thanks,

D.Buchanan

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:10:07 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: UPDATE aluminum heads!

Thanks for the info, At least I now know what I will be getting into next
year if I decide to go with the aluminum heads
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Ben [SMTP:olds442@primenet.com]
	Sent:	Friday, August 28, 1998 1:58 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: UPDATE aluminum heads!

	I also spent about 5-600 not extra, but after the cost of the heads.
You MUST have
	new length and diameter push rods, and the only working rockers are
7/16 stud
	3/8"rod, 1.6 ratin FULL ROLLER ROCKERS! But I als got some of the
best parts out
	there. IF I had milled my head to a smaller CC then I'd be well over
600 bucks.
	But to me it's well worth the money. HOWEVER, if you want a long
wait you best
	order now cause they will be a long time coming if Edelbrock doesn't
change their
	policy about OUR heads. Good Luck and let us know if you need more
help or info. I
	learned the hard way and butch got the info from me... But I really
had to dig to
	find out how to put this new contraption together...

	Ben

	B. Vosburgh wrote:

	> Sam , I have about 600 extra in mine, and it would have been more
if I had not
	> had Ben do it befor me.   Butch 68 442 post
	>
	> Johnson, Sam wrote:
	>
	> > Ben
	> >
	> > How much more did you have to spend when you got the aluminum
heads?  I
	> > wanted to get them for next year and wanted know what extras
would I need.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:03:50 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Decomputerization?

John Pajak Wrote:
> If you remove the computer you really need a regular
>non-electronic carb and a precomputer HEI distributor.

OK, the carb I understand, but why the different HEI.  The only thing it had
was the hot lead and tach.  The extra wire out the back side of the base has
been disconnected for a long time.  It was the only one with a "computer
connection".
Wires going to computer related stuff have pin connectors, while regular
electrical
stuff has the spade type commonly used.

Dave(waiting to go retro)Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:13:36 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: '71 442 engine question...

Ohoo, Joe better look that one up. In '72 any and everything was an option
and that included cutout bumpers.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM [SMTP:Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM]
> Sent:	Friday, August 28, 1998 2:45 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: '71 442 engine question...
>
>
> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
> however.  Olds just couldn't get the radical small block to pass smog.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30
>
>

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