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oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 10 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1474



Re: Mondello
Fw: Your W-31
paint codes
Re: names
Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?
Re: Mondello
Re: Your W-31
Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
Re: Fw: Your W-31
Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle
I'm back
Re: W31 specs was RE: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)
Re: More on counting turns
Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings
Re: 455 Olds AeroEngine
Re: names
Re: torque conv. question
Re: rocker arm adjustment
Trivia (was names)
Re: Convertor
Re: Cam Question
Re: names
Re: Trivia (was names)
Re: Trivia (was names)
Re: names-Maserati
Re: Setting up a OLDS website
Re: Pertronix Ignition
Wet Sump Vs. Dry Sump Oil Pans
Re: names
Re: Mondello
Re: Trivia (was names)
Re: names-Maserati
Re: UNBOUNCE: RE: Best Quadrajet carb's?
Re: Cam Question
Re: names
Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon
Re: names
Re: torque conv. question
Re: Convertor
Re: Trivia (was names)
UNBOUNCE: Pertronix Ignition
UNBOUNCE: I'm back
Re: 455 Olds AeroEngine
Re: Fw: Your W-31
Re: Mondello
SIGNING OFF
Pertronic Ignition
Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
RE:  More on counting turns
Re: Trivia (was names)
Re: Trivia (was names)
Unsubscribe - Digest
Subscribe Oldsmobile
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Emmissions Update
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
test
RE: Emmissions Update
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: Convertor

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:09:57 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mondello

Could be Bernard Mondello  - Joe's son who also builds engines. Don't know if
he works out of Hoe's shop also or has his own.

R.Thomas
69 442

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:09:42 -0400
From: "Chris Smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Fw: Your W-31

Hey all,
I'm at home and just decided to check my email and I get this msg from some
moron.  I think everyone will get a good laugh out of it like I did,
actually I haven't even read it word for word yet, just skimmed it, but it
will get 86'd like the rest of the email trash I receive from time to time
from jeleous idiots.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com   may only be good for another week
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31  aka the Forrest Gump car   that cracks me up
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

- ----------
From: wrench <cyclewheel@yahoo.com>
To: chris@abcs.com
Cc: Phil Jacobson <pjake@up.net>; Miles Russell <mrussell@racc2000.com>;
Matt Russell <valve@northlink.net>; Mark Haney <marknik@freeway.net>
Subject: Your W-31
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 1:52 AM

Dude,
    What is up with your Cutlass?  It is a parts car, or what's left of
one.  Almost nothing on your description matches the picture.  This is
obviously a 5 bolt rear end, the hood is wrong, the rims are wrong, and
what's up with the Toronado paint?  Does the incorrect paint somehow make
this rusty-wonder worth more?  Your harmonic balancer and pulleys are bad,
the wiring looks like Forest Gump rewired it for a Kraco cassette player,
the quarters are shot, the door skins are bad (and it doesn't even have
mounting holes FOR the exterior mirrors), the front fenders MIGHT be able
to be saved, the front suspension is sagging, the interior is obviously
shot to hell (the mice all died from the bad taste, I'm sure), and from the
amount of filth in the intake area of the air cleaner assembly I can see
why it burns oil.  No Olds lover would have the balls to post a picture
like this without an "after" set of pictures to reassure horrified
onlookers such as myself that a car with a small amount of soul left has
been taken in by someone who cares and will spend more than 2 hours putting
plugs in and clogging a leak or two.  This, however, is obviously not the
case.  You are a sad example of a classic car owner and I really hope you
take this e-mail to heart before decimating any more of Detroit's finest
works of art.  Whoever sold you this car (for $200.00?) needs a swift
ass-kicking.




                     Take a Lesson Chris,

                              Wrench


P.S. If the car somehow is in better condition, send me some proof, and an
apology will be in order.
If not, maybe I shouldn't have been so nice.

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:29:18 -0500
From: Kevin Crews <kevcrews@bellsouth.net>
Subject: paint codes

i'm looking for the proper paint codes for my '68 h/o. just making sure
i'm getting them right. the peruvian silver, the black and the grey for
the ssII wheels. many thanks. k----

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:22:51 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: names

>     Saw a car today called a "Maserati" with the #'s 228.....can anybody
shed
>some light on this?  Is Maserati the make or model?

Maserati is a car maker. I'm not quite sure which
european contry they are from though.
_____________

You guys are joking, right?  Maserati, Lamborgini, Ferrari...gee let me
think...

And Ryan, if the Honda Odessy thing bothers you, how about the fact that
Cutlass was originally the name for a type of sword...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:13:06 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

Z28442@aol.com wrote:

> Can you tell me how to stop all this E-Mail.I'm going on
> Vacation for two week and don't need all this mail
> thanks

Although the link below will not provide any info regarding Holleys
or Edelbrocks, it will provide you with the info you seek ;-)
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm


Greg.

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:32:17 -0400
From: "Ulysses Melen" <Master-Stile@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Mondello

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>
>R.Thomas
>69 442



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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:35:49 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Your W-31

Heh.  I took a look at your page and I didn't think I saw the part on there
were you said that it was a 1000-point show-winning car, but obviously, I'm
mistaken!  There must have been something on there that this guy saw!

Man, what a loser!  A 5-bolt rear end?  What the heck is a 5-bolt rear end?
And the pulleys all messed up?  The bad interior and quarters?  I guess
sitting in a BARN will do that to a car, huh?

Losers like that do come around every so often...you just have to look
through the immaturity and realize that they're probably sitting there with
a picture of YOUR car on their wall thinking, "come my 16th birthday, I'd
really like to have a..."

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smetana <chris@abcs.com>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 10:14 PM
Subject: Fw: Your W-31

>case.  You are a sad example of a classic car owner and I really hope you
>take this e-mail to heart before decimating any more of Detroit's finest
>works of art.  Whoever sold you this car (for $200.00?) needs a swift
>ass-kicking.

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:39:27 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

In a message dated 9/9/98
 8:<BR48:<BR07 PM Central Daylight Time, rocketolds@vt.edu writes:

> Yeah, there are 3 t's in the "http".

Dang that was hard to see :-)

Thanks/Don

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:48:40 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: Your W-31

Chris Smetana wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I'm at home and just decided to check my email and I get this msg from some
> moron.  I think everyone will get a good laugh out of it like I did,
[SNIP]
>
>                      Take a Lesson Chris,
>
>                               Wrench
>
> P.S. If the car somehow is in better condition, send me some proof, and an
> apology will be in order.
> If not, maybe I shouldn't have been so nice.

What a CHOAD!!!! Where can your car be seen, Chris? I want to see just
how bad it really is.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:52:15 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle

Yeah, they usually are hard.  I wouldn't have caught it...it's just that my
e-mail program will automatically make a link out of a valid URL and it
didn't with that one, so the first place I looked was syntax.  I guess it
just comes natually from being a Computer Science major...I probably
wouldn't spot a bad number in a sea of budget sheets like an accountant
could, though.  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Bloomington, ILL ` Carlisle


>In a message dated 9/9/98
> 8:<BR48:<BR07 PM Central Daylight Time, rocketolds@vt.edu writes:
>
>> Yeah, there are 3 t's in the "http".
>
>Dang that was hard to see :-)
>
>Thanks/Don

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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 09:14:01 -0800
From: "B Kerr" <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: I'm back

I have been away, and I now I am back  - with a new email address. My old
email was a work address. My employer has decided to downsize by cutting 10
people in Canada and 80 in the US. I am one of the lucky ones. Called in
for the big meeting Aug 31at 10 am, cleaned out my desk and on the highway
by 12:30. Couldnt even download my bookmarks or email addresses.

**OLDSMOBILE CONTENT***

Got the plates and the safety cert for the Cutlass Sept 2. I've got over
600 miles on it already! (probably only 500 on the front tires)
Claimed my first victim on Sunday - Monte SS with fat tires, loud exhaust,
and 2 pony tailed dough heads inside. I even gave him a head start and
waited till my front bumper came even with the passenger door before I
dumped it!
No top yet. Got wet 3 times on the way home from Toronto yesterday. 45
minute drive took over 2 hours. Sitting on the 401 stuck in traffic with
out a roof in the pouring rain. Not my idea of fun!!!

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv
(455 Rocket powered)

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:34:00 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: W31 specs was RE: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)

this is also why you occasionally find a .001 undersized bearing. final fit
was important to someone somewhere and not to someone else somewhere
else....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: W31 specs was RE: 70 350 motors (was Re: MAYBE W-32?)


>What does 'to the "D" spec and use "A" pistons' mean or what does it
>entail?  Actually, I have a guess on the pistons but not positive.
>______________
>
>Chris,
>
>On the engine assebly line, Olds would measure the finished bore of the
>engine and grade them A through D for final size (due to production
>tolerances).  The matching A through D piston would be put in the hole to
>yield the correct piston-to-wall clearance.  On the W-motors the blocks
>would be honed to the largest size and the smallest pistons used to provide
>additional pistion-to-wall clearance.  This hand-fitting was the "factory
>blueprinting" touted on the W-cars and also was the reason why all W-30s
>and W-31s were only built in Lansing.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:28:41 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: More on counting turns

The real deal with this situation, is that the driveshaft would not turn at
all- you would not get any count at all.
___________

DOH!  My only excuse is that I'm now over forty...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:36:16 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings

Greg sez:


> I was
>turning the engine over to get top dead center on #1 when I noticed
>that sparks jump from the center of my cap to the edges where the
>spark plugs contacts are (All on the underside of the cap).

O.K. - distributor cap off, lying on its side, wires still connected, power
on. You turn the engine and a spark jumps to one of the cap connections that
goes to the plug wires, right? Shouldn't happen.

> That's a
>good 2 1/2" jump.  I thought I remember reading somewhere that the
>spark shouldn't jump like that.


Dry air arcs at about 10,000 volts per 1/4 inch. What you described is
almost impossible. Unless there's a conductive carbon path etched in the
surface of the cap (a condition called "tracking"). A common failure of
phenolic caps. Or your ignition is a lightning generator :)

>Maybe I'm getting arcing inside the cap that is causing my rough
>running.  the spark could be jumping right over the rotor to random
>cylinders.


Rough running you betcha. Random, probably not. It's likely a carbon trace
to that one spark plug, which will fire when it shouldn't. If it's cyl #1,
you could get some pretty funky timing indications.

Time for a new cap.

BTW this is an unhealthy thing to do to your electronic ignition. Sparking
without the proper plug gap runs the system with no load and puts undue
stress on the ignition's output transistor.

drc

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:07:13 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: 455 Olds AeroEngine

>- ---standing by for more ideas---

> Barney

I don't know the answer to this but what about the thrust load generated
on the crankshaft by the propeller.  What is the thrust bearing arrangement
in a 455 or typically any car engine anyway?   The propeller should  give
you several hundred lbs of sustained axial (thrust load).  If you had gear
reduction you could incorporate a thrust bearing into the prop shaft but it
seems like it might be a big deal on direct drive.

Just wondering.
Hans

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:03:41 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: names

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> You guys are joking, right?  Maserati, Lamborgini, Ferrari...gee let me
> think...
>
> And Ryan, if the Honda Odessy thing bothers you, how about the fact that
> Cutlass was originally the name for a type of sword...

Hahaha...  I will try to keep this Olds related...  <G>

Cutlass - Sword..  Cuts swiftly????

Here's my question...

I know what an Olds Achieva is...  But what is Achieva, or better yet,
Alero?
And while I am at it, why is an 88 an 88?  Why 88, why not, 66, or
74639283?  And then that leads into a 98......   Don't start about
Bravada, or Firenza.

Vista Cruiser - Nailed, will not question.
Delta (in general) - Maybe they wer Notre Damistic <G>, Thinking ahead
(or now behind) DELTA Burke..  Big, with an attitude...  <G>

This begins to puzzle me...  <G>

Chevy

Corvette - Fast ship...
Monte Carlo - Elegant RICH peoples City????  How did that become a car?
Does this mean the less elegant would be like a Chevy Pittsburgh?  Or a
Chevy Miami?
Malibu - ?????  Ok....  Ahh...
Nova and Camaro -  Alternate Meanings in other languages....  <G>
Venture - Ahhhh...  I guess so...  May Add in front???
Cavalier - Small fast ship, ok...  Anyone seen many TRUELY fast
Cavaliers?
Citation - NOW THIS IS SOMETHING that SCREAMS "Drive ME"  PLEASE!

And when Chevy was on the ETTE thing...  What were they thinking with
CHEVETTE?  WHAT IS A CHEVETTE???

Pontiac...   hahahaha...

Grand Prix - Fast Race, many laps.  Ok, understood...
Grand Am   - Ahh...  Fast Amature?
Sunfire    - Isn't the sun already on fire?  And why name a car
after 	          something we know?
Sunbird    - Ahhh....  I guess this is the Cousin of Firebird.  Does
this          mean the Sunfire is a Cross between the two?
Trans Sport - Hmmm...  Lost Meaning, somewhere...  By why name the
"flag         ship" version after a state?  Montana?
Firebird    - Have you ever seen a bird on fire still work?
LeMans     - heh heh...

Buick -

Ok, less to pick on...

LeSabre - French I suppose...  By why a "cutting utensil"?  Sabre -
Knife
Park Avenue - Hmmm, why not name it, Brown Drive?
Skylark -  Ok, sensible..  Will not pick on.
Skyhawk -  Bird, again...  Understandable...
Regal - Ok, sensible.
Century - Now there's a winner...  Name it after a time span...  Then
only      the people that old can drive it.

I guess that's it for now....  We could go into parts of course....
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:50:56 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: torque conv. question

George

    The 3500 RPM stall converter is WAY too much for a street Olds. Most the
guys racing them might use a 3000-up converter but the heat and slippage
they generate is extreme. I would stay with about a 2300-2500 at most.

Jim Chermack

- -----Original Message-----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 2:04 PM
Subject: torque conv. question


>
>Hi Guys,
>
>Here is the story:
>I know, usually you should plan a car from scratch to get maximum
>performance... in my case I try to put things I have together half way
>decent:
>I have 750 cfm holley I will use with old single plane holley alu intake.
>The block is 60 over with stock cam and crank. I have 350 tranny and stock
>gears (I think).
>
>Here is the question:
>Can I put in a 3500 stall TCI torque converter to get more power taking
>off and driving in the city (what the car is basically going to be used
>for)???
>What will happen if I use the 3500?
>
>Or should I go for the stock torque converter though my intake and
>carb will like the higher rpms better?
>Suggestions? Maybe I should get a torque converter with stall between
>stock and 3500? What is the stock stall?
>
>Thanx, George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:54:48 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: rocker arm adjustment

Erik

    You should install the rockers in there respective area put the bridge
on with the bolts and tighten evenly. Once they are evenly SNUGGED then
torque them to 25 ft lbs. That's the only adjustment you can make without
shimming them.

Jim Chermack

- -----Original Message-----
From: ef01@sprynet.com <ef01@sprynet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 9:10 PM
Subject: rocker arm adjustment


>Plan to pull the heads off the delta 88 this weekend and lap the valves and
>replace the lifters. How do I adjust the rocker arms on a 1966 425? I have
a
>factory manual, but I think the instructions are wrong. The manual says,
>"1) torque bolts to 35 ft-lbs
> 2) position rocker arms in proper location
> 3) coat wear points with...
> 4) install the hardened flange bolts. Torque to 20 ft-lbs.
>Note: make sure both lifters are in the closed valve position when
installing
>nuts."
>What? How can I install bolts twice. Also no where on head are there any
nuts,
>both my rockers are bolted to the head. My rockers are held down bt a c
shaped
>thing that is called in the picture a rocker arm pivot. Am I missing
something
>here? Is to possible that the chassis service manual is not perfect?
>Last question can you use new lifters on an old cam I am of the opinion
that the
>cam won't no there are new lifters there, but I have had a few arguements
at
>work about this.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Erik
>

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Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:06:34 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Trivia (was names)

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> And Ryan, if the Honda Odessy thing bothers you, how about the fact that
> Cutlass was originally the name for a type of sword...

- -----------
True, true.  A "Cutlass" sword is the type that one would equate with pirates.

And now, for some more Cutlass trivia;

Oldsmobile "borrowed" the Cutlass
name from a Chance-Vought Navy fighter plane.

Trivia Quiz:  What year did the Cutlass nameplate first appear on an
Oldsmobile?  Hint:  It was not 1961.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:02:51 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Convertor

Sam

    These are usually around 1600-1800 RPM. Some of the W-30 cars had 2300
RPM converters in them.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts


- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 10:54 AM
Subject: Convertor


>What is the stall on a stock convertor?
>======================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>>1971 Cutlass S 455
>>Westside! Chitown IL
>19 Wins 13 Losses
>======================
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:05:53 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Cam Question

Igor

    You will have to elongate the rocker arm slots for anything above .500
or so. You have a tendancy to bind them and break the bolts or the umbrella
seals. 455's typically like lots of duration so you could stay with a lower
lift cam with more duration to make it run. With the lower compression you
don't want to get too radical.

Jim Chermack

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:46 AM
Subject: Cam Question


>What is the highest lift I can go with on the cam in my '76 455 with stock
>valvetrain.  I heard that .500lift is about all that can be put in, but I
>would like to get a lunati bracket master II cam (i think that is the name)
>and the exasut lift is .520lift.  I think that this cam would still be
>decent on the street.  Can I do it with stock valvetrain or do I need to
>modify and what.  Thanks.  There are detail on the engine and car in my 455
>cam question post.  Igor.
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:17:06 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: names

Or maybe they named the car according to how long they thought it'd
last...they're dead on so far.  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: names

>Century - Now there's a winner...  Name it after a time span...  Then
>only      the people that old can drive it.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:24:59 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>

>Trivia Quiz:  What year did the Cutlass nameplate first appear on an
>Oldsmobile?  Hint:  It was not 1961.

I think it was either in 1953 or 1954 as a concept car.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:30:28 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

1954 Cutlass  show car

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:32:27 EDT
From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Subject: Re: names-Maserati

A former Eagles member (the band, not the football team) claimed that the top
speed of such a car resulted in forfeiture of his driving privileges.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:46:54 -0400
From: Shawn <shawno22@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Setting up a OLDS website

Jeff,

I can help you out with a copy of Frontpage 98, free of charge...You could
download it from my machine as a FTP site...Let me know and we can set it
up...

Shawn



At 03:14 PM 9/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for some advice.
>
>My name is Jeff Zeilmann (OCA# 029185) and you may have seen me on and off
>the Olds list site now for a couple years.  I have been asked by my local
>Olds club (the St. Louis Archway Olds club) to look into setting up a web
>site for our local chapter.  I have just begun looking into it, so I am wide
>open for suggestions.  I have never created a web site before, so I am a
>novice in this field.  I am working at getting a current copy of MS
>Frontpage, and that should be good start, but I sure could use any advice
>you may have on getting a relatively inexpensive web site started and
>maintaining it going forward.  I have a great deal of technical experience,
>so I'm sure that I will have no problem catching on to what it will take (I
>have been  a Network administrator for AT&T, Lucent Technologies, IBM, and
>currently I work as a consultant for a company called Datanomics supporting
>Philips Consumer Communications).
>
>Please let me know what steps to take in order to get our club into the 90's
>(before the 90's are over :-)
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>
>Jeff Zeilmann
>  ^
>/ | \
>| | |
>|/|\|
>\ | /
>  |
>SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
>'68 Cutlass Supreme
>'69 Cutlass S Convertible
>'69 4-4-2
>
Shawn
1984 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:50:32 -0700
From: "FX O'Connor" <wwjcd@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Pertronix Ignition

Got it on my 62 Olds F-85. My dad installed it cause I was overseas on a
boat, but he said it was easy and the instructions were pretty good. The
only problem was that he had to grind the shaft to a shorter length to
prevent the slop up and down so the magnets are always close enough to
trigger. He also installed an MSD-6a at the same time. The car ran so good
that with the "stray voltage" the car ran with the ignition off like nothing
happened. We installed a larger balast resistor and it solved the problems.
The combination pepped up the little 215 alot! I'd recomend it to anybody
considering it. I had heard a bit about it burning up on people cause they
leave the ignition on when the car is not running, but just make a mental
note to use the "accesory" position and you're fine! Good Luck

Ben
62 Olds F-85 1400 now!
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442
'C' set of heads forsale. $400 with roller tipped rockers and recent valve
job. Drop me aline!

>Is anbody using the Pertronix electronic ignition that replaces points?
>Any comments on any others?  The Pertronix is only two wires, looks
>stock and cost around $65.  That seems like a good deal to me.
>
>--
>Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
>Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:00:12 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Wet Sump Vs. Dry Sump Oil Pans

Karl,

Wet Sump Oil Pan -- What nearly every stock engine from the factory has.  The
oil is kept in the bottom of the pan, thus it is "wet".  The pump is also in
the pan, and pumps the oil out to the filter and in turn, through the engine.

Dry Sump Oil Pan -- Each and every Drag Racing Pro Stock and each and every
Winston Cup car have these.  The oil is held in an external tank, roughly 3 to
4 times the capacity of the stock oil pan.  The oil pump is now outside the
engine, and belt-driven.  This oil pump has several inlet sections, each
connected to different places in the oil pan and the rest of the engine.  It
keeps pulling oil out of the engine as quickly as it drops out of it's
intended area, be that the rods, mains, cam bearings, etc. and sends it to the
external holding tank, where it's de-aerated (to a degree).  Then the pump
pulls it out of the bottom of this tank, filters the oil and sends it back in
to the engine.  The oil pan on these is relatively flat, since it now doesn't
have to be the container of the oil, just the lower cover and pump inlet(s)
receptacle(s).  I say those with the conditional "s's" because different
applications of this design can use several pick ups or a single one.  So,
since the pan has no dropped "container" in it to keep the oil in, it is
considered "dry" versus the containered "wet" stock style pan.

Simply put, it all has to do with where the oil is kept for the pump to
lubricate the engine.  "Wet", it's in the pan, "dry", it's kept elsewhere.

Hope this helps you folks out.  I'm helping out someone locally who has a
Winston Racing Series Late Model he's building, and it has a complete dry sump
system.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:10:03 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: names

Italy......had the honor of the worst V-8 milage ever in a passanger car
the Quatro-port, something like 8 mpg worse than even the mid 70's *ldo.
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: names
> Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 10:13 AM
>
> At 06:29 PM 9/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >     Saw a car today called a "Maserati" with the #'s 228.....can
anybody
> shed
> >some light on this?  Is Maserati the make or model?
>
> Maserati is a car maker. I'm not quite sure which
> european contry they are from though.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:12:34 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Mondello

I think his shop is (or was) in Corona, CA
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32

- ----------
> From: RPTW32@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Mondello
> Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 7:09 PM
>
> Could be Bernard Mondello  - Joe's son who also builds engines. Don't
know if
> he works out of Hoe's shop also or has his own.
>
> R.Thomas
> 69 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:11:05 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

> >Trivia Quiz:  What year did the Cutlass nameplate first appear on an
> >Oldsmobile?  Hint:  It was not 1961.
>
> I think it was either in 1953 or 1954 as a concept car.
>
> Jason Adcock

Jason, you are correct although HURSTOLDZ@aol.com gets the prize for
being specific with 1954.  Johnny, tell him what he has won............

- ----------------------
There were two "Dream Cars" that Oldsmobile produced for the 1954 show
circuit.
The Cutlass was the homely one of the two.  The other was the F-88.
Which was an apparent would-be competitor to the Corvette. Makes one
wonder if Olds had got the nod from the GM brass to produce the corporate
sports car what might have been...............

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 23:54:50 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: names-Maserati

> A former Eagles member (the band, not the football team) claimed that the top
> speed of such a car resulted in forfeiture of his driving privileges.

Ah, yesssss...  That was 185, wasn't it???  ".....I lost my license, now I 
can't
drive...."   (Or something like that...  :)

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:58:41 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: RE: Best Quadrajet carb's?

Hey Thomas! I don't think getting the numbers would help me...don't see many
301's in the wrecking yards! However, do you have other Quadrajet info? I am
going to be getting into fine tuning with the rods, and I have letter codes
that don't match anything I have. I am too broke to buy the Roe book on them,
so if you have some good info, I'd love to know. It takes guts sharing
something only you know about. by the way, I have seen it said that some Chev
big block carbs are 800-850 cfm, but of course the fuel inlet is different.
Thanks, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:03:40 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Cam Question

Remeber, I still have 10.1CR pistons, mid 9s is what it probably is.  That
is not really low.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: Cam Question


>Igor
>
>    You will have to elongate the rocker arm slots for anything above .500
>or so. You have a tendancy to bind them and break the bolts or the umbrella
>seals. 455's typically like lots of duration so you could stay with a lower
>lift cam with more duration to make it run. With the lower compression you
>don't want to get too radical.
>
>Jim Chermack
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:46 AM
>Subject: Cam Question
>
>
>>What is the highest lift I can go with on the cam in my '76 455 with stock
>>valvetrain.  I heard that .500lift is about all that can be put in, but I
>>would like to get a lunati bracket master II cam (i think that is the
name)
>>and the exasut lift is .520lift.  I think that this cam would still be
>>decent on the street.  Can I do it with stock valvetrain or do I need to
>>modify and what.  Thanks.  There are detail on the engine and car in my
455
>>cam question post.  Igor.
>>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:20:13 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: names

Interesting thought...  in the late 80's - early 90's, Maserati produced a
version of the  little Chrystler convertible (cant think of the name of it
right now) but the Maserati version was called the TC.  Nice little cars,
with pretty good suspension work from what owners have told me...

I dont knwo if they did any engine mods tho...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: names


>At 06:29 PM 9/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>     Saw a car today called a "Maserati" with the #'s 228.....can anybody
>shed
>>some light on this?  Is Maserati the make or model?
>
>Maserati is a car maker. I'm not quite sure which
>european contry they are from though.
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:06:43 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon

Thanks a lot guys.  Turns out it is a 7.5" 2.73 open stile rear.  He wants
to get rid of the 305 and put in a 400 chevy.  Both me and him agrea that
Olds would be a better way to go but since we can get a great 400 for free
(my uncle has a farm on which some guy stores his demolition derby cars and
pays him with a motor or two every 6 months.  The motors are of course for
me).   Anyways, thanks a lot for the codes.  Igor.
- -----Original Message-----
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Rear gear on '86 Salon


>In a message dated 9/9/98 1:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
igor455@home.com
>writes:
>
><< Anyways, please tell me what choices the rear axel ratio the '86
> had for a Cutlass, what he probable has in there and how to varify it
> without poping the dif. cover.  Thanks. >>
>
>it could have a 3.73, i think, but thats kinda rare.  probly more like a
3.08
>ratio.
>jeremy
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:20:57 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: names

Jerry Christopher wrote:
> Here's my question...

<snipetty snip snip>

> I know what an Olds Achieva is...  But what is Achieva, or better yet,
> Alero?
> And while I am at it, why is an 88 an 88?

> Monte Carlo - Elegant RICH peoples City????  How did that become a car?
> Does this mean the less elegant would be like a Chevy Pittsburgh?  Or a
> Chevy Miami?
> Citation - NOW THIS IS SOMETHING that SCREAMS "Drive ME"  PLEASE!


Any time someone mentions bad car names I can't help but snicker at the
f*rd Probe-The car won't hurt but you may find it cold and notice some
slight discomfort.  :)

Then there's the Aspire-  It's not really an automobile but we're
trying! :)

Olds Content:  I've always wondered, what the heck is Brougham s'posed
to mean?

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supremem
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:11:32 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: torque conv. question

I use a 12 inch coverter behind my 455 and it stalls above 2500 RPM (no way
I can hold the break hard enaough to keep the tires on the ground).  Keep in
mind that even for a one step up from stock converter, you should have some
gears, at least around 3.08 or so.  You might be fine with 2.73s but nothing
smaller.  If you run 2.41 like I had (now 3.23), when you are doing 55mph
and step on the gas but not too much to make it downshift, the tach will
move up 300-500 rpm and the car wont really go anywhere.  The stock stall
speed should be about 1400-1800 RPM depending on the power your motor makes
at bottom end.  Remeber, if you have good bottom end torque, traction will
also be an issue.  I can't get any with my 455.  Igor.
- -----Original Message-----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 12:04 PM
Subject: torque conv. question


>
>Hi Guys,
>
>Here is the story:
>I know, usually you should plan a car from scratch to get maximum
>performance... in my case I try to put things I have together half way
>decent:
>I have 750 cfm holley I will use with old single plane holley alu intake.
>The block is 60 over with stock cam and crank. I have 350 tranny and stock
>gears (I think).
>
>Here is the question:
>Can I put in a 3500 stall TCI torque converter to get more power taking
>off and driving in the city (what the car is basically going to be used
>for)???
>What will happen if I use the 3500?
>
>Or should I go for the stock torque converter though my intake and
>carb will like the higher rpms better?
>Suggestions? Maybe I should get a torque converter with stall between
>stock and 3500? What is the stock stall?
>
>Thanx, George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:01:23 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Convertor

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:

> >What is the stall on a stock convertor?
>
>     These are usually around 1600-1800 RPM. Some of the W-30 cars had 2300
> RPM converters in them.

It's interesting, when my Vista Cruiser had the Th375 the TC stall speed
was about 2500-3000 RPM.  I measured it by holding the brake, flooring
the gas, and noting what RPM the tach leveled off.  The brakes have
always been able to hold the rear wheels even at full throttle....more
a$$ than engine I guess. :)

Does anyone know if such a high stall converter could be had stock in a
Vista Cruiser?  Even in a 2bbl/350/single exhaust VC?  It doesn't have a
towing package either.  I guess the converter could be aftermarket but I
doubt it.  (BTW the VC could really leave the line with that torque
converter...Had incredible acceleration for such a mundane engine setup
in a heavy car.)  I assume the tach was resonably accurate;  It would
read 2500 RPM at 60 MPH with 225/70/14s and a 3.08 gear.


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:58:01 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

Thank you  thank you  thank you!!!   I HOPE the prize that I won is a rear for
my 68 H/O!!!!!


Vinny
68 H/O
62 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:52:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Pertronix Ignition

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"FX O'Connor" <wwjcd@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Pertronix Ignition

Got it on my 62 Olds F-85. My dad installed it cause I was overseas on a
boat, but he said it was easy and the instructions were pretty good. The
only problem was that he had to grind the shaft to a shorter length to
prevent the slop up and down so the magnets are always close enough to
trigger. He also installed an MSD-6a at the same time. The car ran so good
that with the "stray voltage" the car ran with the ignition off like nothing
happened. We installed a larger balast resistor and it solved the problems.
The combination pepped up the little 215 alot! I'd recomend it to anybody
considering it. I had heard a bit about it burning up on people cause they
leave the ignition on when the car is not running, but just make a mental
note to use the "accesory" position and you're fine! Good Luck

Ben
62 Olds F-85 1400 now!
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442
'C' set of heads forsale. $400 with roller tipped rockers and recent valve
job. Drop me aline!

>Is anbody using the Pertronix electronic ignition that replaces points?
>Any comments on any others?  The Pertronix is only two wires, looks
>stock and cost around $65.  That seems like a good deal to me.
>
>--
>Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
>Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:53:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: I'm back

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"B Kerr" <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: I'm back

I have been away, and I now I am back  - with a new email address. My old
email was a work address. My employer has decided to downsize by cutting 10
people in Canada and 80 in the US. I am one of the lucky ones. Called in
for the big meeting Aug 31at 10 am, cleaned out my desk and on the highway
by 12:30. Couldnt even download my bookmarks or email addresses.

**OLDSMOBILE CONTENT***

Got the plates and the safety cert for the Cutlass Sept 2. I've got over
600 miles on it already! (probably only 500 on the front tires)
Claimed my first victim on Sunday - Monte SS with fat tires, loud exhaust,
and 2 pony tailed dough heads inside. I even gave him a head start and
waited till my front bumper came even with the passenger door before I
dumped it!
No top yet. Got wet 3 times on the way home from Toronto yesterday. 45
minute drive took over 2 hours. Sitting on the 401 stuck in traffic with
out a roof in the pouring rain. Not my idea of fun!!!

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv
(455 Rocket powered)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:06:33 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Olds AeroEngine

In Reply To:  Hans

Thrust bearing could yet be a problem!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Your W-31

- ---Chris Smetana <chris@abcs.com> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I'm at home and just decided to check my email and I get this msg
from some
> moron.  I think everyone will get a good laugh out of it like I did,

> From: wrench <cyclewheel@yahoo.com>
> To: chris@abcs.com

> Dude,
>     What is up with your Cutlass?  It is a parts car, or what's left
of
> one.  Almost nothing on your description matches the picture.  This is
> obviously a 5 bolt rear end, the hood is wrong, the rims are wrong,
and
> what's up with the Toronado paint?


- ----Hey Chris,
         What's the address?
He's prolly one of those guys who drives "Pete & Fred" <right foot
,left foot>everywhere,maybe we should ALL send him a letter....:)

                    SMAN


==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:00:26 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mondello

no mistake - the original msg was referencing a B.Mondello  Doubt that there
are too many Mondello's out there that aren't some relation to Joe.

Rob

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:02:39 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: SIGNING OFF

I need to sign off for awhile. I am going on vacation to europe for a
month. Can you E-mail me and LMK how to sign back on, when I return.
TTYL, T.J.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:38:18 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Pertronic Ignition

>Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 20:40:42 -0500
>From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
>Subject: Pertronix Ignition

>Is anybody using the Pertronix electronic ignition that replaces
points?
>Any comments on any others?  The Pertronix is only two wires, looks
>stock and cost around $65.  That seems like a good deal to me.

- - --
>Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
>Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible

I have used a Pertronic ignition on my 71 350 for the last 4 yrs or so.
Works great, car starts easier and I don't have to adjust the points any
more. The two wires exit through the hole in the bottom of the
distributor and connect to either side of the coil. Great for keeping
your engine stock looking. For more spark, a high voltage coil and 8mm
wires can be used to make it perform like an HEI. Plus you don't have to
modify the air cleaner on a 350 like I once had to do. By the way-- JC
Whitney sells the Pertronic setup as their no name electronic points
replacement module. Also cheaper than other brands of electronic
triggers such as Mallory.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:05:08 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Olds List,

I have been searching the web, libraries, bookstores, etc. for information on
replacing the front and rear chassis on an old car with ones from a newer car
in order to make the old car into a daily driver and to make the mechanics
more reliable.

I have has no hits whatsoever looking under sub chassis or subbing out, the
two terms I have heard used. (I just recently heard of the technique and I
think it is a wonderful idea). Anyway, am I using the wrong term? Is it too
new a technique to have published material on it yet? It is surprising that
there isn't info on the web, because so many of the rods I see (on the web and
on the street) have this done. The web is usually full of info on new
techniques in any field, but none here.

All help is appreicated.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:21:36 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE:  More on counting turns

One thing to note for those of you with the PegLeg rear...

When you are out in the snow, having a ball spinning that one tire, it
is actually traveling DOUBLE the speedometer indicated speed.  This can
cause rather dangerous tire failure.  Posi will spin at speedo speed,
but due to the nature of open diff, when one is not moving and one is,
the one that is spinning is spinning 2X.  (Assuming you have no vehicle
speed, then you would have to sub out that, and .....)

So when I was a punk kid and punched my 76 Delta on ice with 2.73's and
got the speedo wrapped ALL the way around, it was not just doing 120+,
it was actually 240!  Glad I did not keep it up!

Just something to ponder....


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:28:58 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

Oldsmobile "borrowed" the Cutlass
name from a Chance-Vought Navy fighter plane.
__________

Yes, this was a big thing in the 50s and 60s.  Tail fins, for example,
started when Harley Earl copied the P-38 tail fins on the 52 (?) Caddy.  I
always assumed the Olds F-85 was a take off on the F-86 Saber Jet, which
was the hero of the Korean War.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:37:37 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Trivia (was names)

The other was the F-88.
Which was an apparent would-be competitor to the Corvette. Makes one
wonder if Olds had got the nod from the GM brass to produce the corporate
sports car what might have been...............
______________

Since it's been a while since our last "dream cars I'd like to build"
thread, I might as well confess that I've always wanted to build a replica
of the F-88 (though the real one was offered for sale a few months ago -
tough choice:  house, F-88, house, F-88...).  The car does look like it
draws heavily on the 54 Corvette, so I figured one could start with one of
the repro early Vette bodies on the market.  Add a J-2 engine (not
correct, but cool) and perform the body mods.  The only problem is that the
back of the car looks just awful, IMHO.  Up until recently, all the
pictures of the car I've ever seen have been front 3/4 shots.  Now I know
why.  The rear has a very long extension on the fenders and trunk lid,
culminating in a very heavy looking rear grille affair.  Yeech!.  Maybe a
replica could take the front, which looks really cool, and adapt someting
like the mid-50s bullet taillights, just to keep it all in the Olds family.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:48:39 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

...information on replacing the front and rear chassis on an old car with
ones from a newer car in order to make the old car into a daily driver and
to make the mechanics
more reliable.
________

This is very common in the street rod and early truck crowd.  I'd suggest
you scan copies of Street Rodder and Custom Rodder magazines, as they seem
to have an article on this about every other month.  Check Truckin'
magazine as well, as this is a common thing to do on the early F-100s.  The
technology has come pretty far in this area.  There are several kits on the
market which simply use a new front crossmember welded to your existing
frame rails - much easier than grafting on a new front subframe.  The late
model A-arms then bolt to this new cross member.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:13:24 -0500
From: Rick Kromeich <rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com>
Subject: Emmissions Update

Two weeks ago my 72 Cutlass Conv't failed Il. emmissions because of a
bad gas cap.  Bought a replacement Stant cap and trucked over there last
night. Passed with flying colors.  For anyone else having to go through
emmission testing you may want to drive by the office and have them test
your cap first to see if it will pass.
They do this with a portable tester.  They seemed to be more nosey and
inquisitive the second time around - so do what you can to pass the
first time.

Rick
72 Cutlass Supreme Conv't

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:15:51 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

In a message dated 9/10/98
 8:<BR54:<BR32 AM Central Daylight Tim, Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

> This is very common in the street rod and early truck crowd.  I'd suggest
>  you scan copies of Street Rodder and Custom Rodder magazines, as they seem
>  to have an article on this about every other month.

Joe,
Thanks for the help. It has been (are you ready for this?) 35 years since I've
read a rod magazine, and I just hadn't given that a thought. I'll go back to
the library now and get what I'm looking for.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:12:49 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: test

Sorry, been having server problems.  Just a test.

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:22:36 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Emmissions Update

Rick,

where are you located that requires emissions to be tested on a 1972??
Just curious,
stan

> ----------
> From: 	Rick Kromeich[SMTP:rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, September 10, 1998 10:13 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Emmissions Update
>
> Two weeks ago my 72 Cutlass Conv't failed Il. emmissions because of a
> bad gas cap.  Bought a replacement Stant cap and trucked over there
> last
> night. Passed with flying colors.  For anyone else having to go
> through
> emmission testing you may want to drive by the office and have them
> test
> your cap first to see if it will pass.
> They do this with a portable tester.  They seemed to be more nosey and
> inquisitive the second time around - so do what you can to pass the
> first time.
>
> Rick
> 72 Cutlass Supreme Conv't
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:34:42 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

In a message dated 98-09-09 12:47:49 EDT, you write:

<< I used my Mr. Gasket Desktop Dyno to simulate the 455 with several options.
the best I got was 285 at 2000. It's not totaly scientific cause I made up a
came from the street option and modified the settings a bit. But on the
average I got 265 at 2000. >>

Karl agree with Ben.

A 455 bare block does not have a torque peak until you add parts.

Intake, Pistons, Crankshaft, Cylinder heads, headers (Hookers on a Stearman?).

These control the flow of air (and fuel) through the engine and contribute to
determination of the torque peak.

All we are really doing in discussing an airplane motor is considering how to
build for a really low torque peak.

I think it is very possible.

Come to think of it, how low can compression be?

Is 7:1 viable for maintaining idle with only a prop?

Essentially, we need performance at low RPM.

Low-performance?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:34:45 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertor

In a message dated 98-09-09 10:56:41 EDT, you write:

<< What is the stall on a stock convertor? >>

Not positive but usually 1200-1600 RPM Karl thinks.

Karl would look up his, but apples and oranges as Karl has Variable Vane
converter.

HiPo cars tend to use stalls of 2400 RPM and up as performance increases.

Realize that what this means is that the low stall cvtr turns tranny much
closer to actual crankshaft speed than higher stall cvtrs.

Right guys?

OR

A low-stall cvtr will squeal tires on HiPo car with brakes applied,but when
high-stall cvtr installed it will not squeal tires with brakes on.

As for squealing....

SOM
&KA

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