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oldsmobile-digest     Friday, September 11 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1477



Re: Receiving e-mail
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Brake shoe Q.
(Event): BOPC show for the year 2000
Re: Conv top cylinders
G-Body Trim + Chrome
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: G-Body Trim + Chrome
This Sunday, Kane County, IL
Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings
Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
Re: names
Brothers Automotive
Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
RE: Brake shoe Q.
What are SS IV's?
Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Re: Interesting Classified Ad
Towing (was: Information.. was: Toro Graveyard, revisit)
Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Re: Any car shows near Knoxville TN??
Re: Brake shoe Q.
(Event): BOPC show for the year 2000
CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 Caravan (MD)
RE:Names (Bel Air)
List members from Norway ?
Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?
oxidation and stains  help???
Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?
Re: oxidation and stains help???
Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?
Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?
Re: oxidation and stains help???
Re: This Sunday, Kane County, IL
Re: oxidation and stains help???
I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long
Mr President????????
Re: oxidation and stains help???
Re: oxidation and stains help???
Re: Mr President????????
Re: oxidation and stains help???
(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow
Re: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long
Re: Conv top cylinders

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:25:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Receiving e-mail

On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Lou Biggs wrote:
> When I sent out the post about Big Mac hitting # 62 I checked the time when
> he hit it, it was 20:17 CST(daylite) time. When I got aroung to sending it,
> the time was 20:26. When I post to the Olds list I get a copy back from the
> list as a normal post. My computer said :received @ 20:08.
> I received it before I sent it, apparently. My server says (their clock is
> right).

I have seen this too and don't know the exact cause. I presume various
and sundry server clocks get involved in the process so one might well be
screwed up somewhere. If you were to tell me it was Chebucto's clock at
fault I guess I wouldn't be surprised... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:41:23 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

I am using Mobil 1 0W30 and a sharp blade, I can run just above idle and
get very good cutting.

That was before porting...

Should I try to reduce some of the spinning weight and trim down the
blade slightly?  Take say 1/4in from each side of the blade through the
non cutting areas?  Reduce rotating weight = more HP to do cutting with,
sorta like using a lighter car....I have been told to keep rpm no higher
than 3600 rpm for safety reasons.  (Don't want a blade coming apart do
we?  OWWWWCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH!)

As it is the H@onda engine on it cuts better through heavy grass than
the 5hp Briggs and Stratton I used to have, and it was brand new.  This
one does not lug down so much.  And has a nice Ball and  Ball carb that
will easily lend it self to mods!  Hmmm, anyone got a small turbocharger
I could add?  Maybe make a custom long ram intake for more torque, the
runners now are about 6-8 inches to the valve, at least 5-6 just to get
to the block!  There is lots of work to make the carb flow more
air...Headers, that is a good idea!

Maybe if I get bored this winter I can get into the head and see what
sort of porting I can do there!  Do I hear project?  Trim up the cam for
more lift, undercut the valves, open up the pockets  around the
valves.....

I think I need a doctor.....

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
80 Snapper Lawn Mower with Honda 3.5hp engine, mild porting

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:03:54 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

> quit screwing around with those poor excuses for internal combustion
> and simply use a complete 455/Toro transaxle.

Hear, hear. Benefits include really good mulching, and great traction
for going up hills, etc.

Drawbacks may include deafness, ruts in the lawn, and complaints from
the neighbor about turf sprayed all over their house if you push down
too hard on the pedal...

- -- Andy
I agree whole heartedly but lets not forget the big compaints that we all
would experience: the wife and "It's not bad enough that you have 4
oldsmobiles sitting in the back yard but now I can't get the lawn mower
started and you'll never get the money that you put into it out of it when you
sell it."
Chris Sommerville
69 442 SC
70 442 HC
70 W31

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:26:49 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Brake shoe Q.

NO they dont work when the brakes are applied only the insant they are
applied this also only works when the initial adjust ment is correct in the
first place also the parking brakes only use one of the brake shoes the rear
one so it isnt likeley...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 6:55 PM
Subject: Brake shoe Q.


>Anyone familiar with how the self-adjusting brake mechanism works on
>G-body's?
>
>Recently the right rear brake was grabbing on my '84 H/O, so I took it
>apart today to check it out.  Other than almost a cup of brake dust
>(egad!) everything looked fine.  No sign of axle or brake fluid leaking
>onto the pads, pads about 50% worn (about 35,000 miles old), worn
>evenly, brake drum not scored.  I put 'em back together after cleaning
>it out and quickly scuffing the pads and rotors up with some sandpaper,
>and the problem seems to have been solved.  I opened up the left rear
>too, not nearly as much dust, and it looks fine, pads worn the same.
>
>Don't the brakes get "adjusted" every time you step on the brake in
>reverse?  If so, about a week ago I accidentally left the parking brake
>on and backed up about 30 feet.  Could my brakes have simply been
>over-adjusted and too tight?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tom Lentz
>tlentz@ior.com
>http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html
>
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:13:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): BOPC show for the year 2000

Attention all OCA members, and Olds club members,

Locally here in St. Louis, our Olds chapter is currently talking to members
of the local Buick, Pontiac, and Cadillac chapters, and would like to get
other Olds Chapters involved if possible.  We are in the early planning
stages of a Midwest BOPC (Buick, OLDS, Pontiac, Cadillac) show that will
most likely take place in the year 2000.  It is going to be a National show
event that is welcoming participation from all over the country, and will
probably be the largest auto show ever to hit the Midwest.  We are scouting
out locations here in St. Louis that could accommodate this large of a show
(ie.  a place that is large enough to handle the amount of cars, and is
conveniently located near several hotels).  Let me know if you have any info
about who might be interested in helping to organize such a show from your
area.  I am primarily looking for people from any local Olds chapters from
the surrounding states in the Midwest.  Once the date and location is set,
then we would just need support from other chapters to help get the word out
and make the Oldsmobile portion of the show a very strong representation.

I am currently working on something to submit to OCA, and put into JWO.
 Once we have the official commitment from the B,  P, & C chapters, I will
make it so.

Please E-mail me directly.

Happy Oldsmobiling!

Jeff

  .
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|/|\|
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 Jeff Zeilmann
(OCA# 029185)
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:55:29 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Conv top cylinders

hey been reading this tranny fluid idea for a while but did anybody ever try
a better brake fluid like dot 5 silicone? doesnt absorb moisture or attack
paint like dot 3 dot 4 just a thought
- -----Original Message-----
From: ef01@sprynet.com <ef01@sprynet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Conv top cylinders


>Scott,
>The fluid you have is most likely Delco supreme #11. The rest of the world
calls
>it DOT 3 brake fluid. A little background, my 66 Delta 88 had been off the
road
>for several years and the power top was in pieces when I bought the car. So
I
>had to go through the entire system. I assume the fluid smells kinda like
hard
>liquor that has turned sour the color should be somewhat clear. This is a
good
>indication that the fluid should be replaced. You can run tranny fluid in
system
>(Dexron II) in fact that is exactly what GM did later on. A lot of people
on the
>list also advocate this. The main advantage of tranny fluid is if you ever
spill
>the stuff it won't damage the interior like brake fluid will also I think
tranny
>fluid is more stable with age. I decided to keep brake fluid in mine. I
didn't
>feel like flushing the system that throughly I figure if it lasted thirty
years
>its okay. Now for leak it sounds like maybe you just have to replace the
clear
>plastic line I think the brass is sort of crimped on the plastic these run
>around $50 each or $90 for both lines. Also hydro-e-lectric has your
cylinder
>for $120 (800) 343-4261 www.hydroelectric.com?. What I would do is:
>1) replace the plastic lines if this the problem(I had to pull the rear
seat to
>get access cutlass might be different)
>2) pull motor out of car dispose of brake fluid and replace with fresh
brake
>fluid personal preference everyone one else is going to tell you to switch
to
>dexron II
>3)bleeed system. all you do is run top up and down without letting fluid
level
>in reservoir drop.
>
>Good Luck email if you need details on bleeding or anything else.
>
>Erik Ferguson

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:18:15 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: G-Body Trim + Chrome

Anyone have a reliable second party source, (other than Oldsmobile Direct),
for G-Body Chrome + Trim parts? Namely a source for rear bumpers. Also
looking for supplies of the flat stainless trim that sits flat atop the door
skin running full length from door front (next to mirror) to door back. This
trim piece is not a standard unit. Unsure what car options had these
installed.

Gary

gjcouse@mhonline.net

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:21:25 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Don, uh Joe, oops sorry I got lost in the thread....i should read more
carefully. There is also  WWW.cachassisworks.com. he might have something
also. These guys are pros, so they won't be the cheapest, just the
best.Good hunting
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32

- ----------
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 4:59 AM
>
> In a message dated 9/11/98
>  2:<BR28:<BR03 AM Central Daylight Tim, realtorjohn@sprynet.com writes:
>
> > Joe, one may want to check out Art Morrison Ent. @ www.artmorrison.com
> >  for complete chassis. He offers M*st*ng II, Custom or strut front
> >  suspension with 4 Bar, 4 link or ? rears in kit or welded form for all
> >  kinds of old cars + custom set-ups.
>
> Rjohn,
>
> I'm Don (the guy who asked) not Joe, and thanks for the Morrison ref. His
> website looks as if he is the high priced spread, but I will check with
him
> before I start the project.
>
> Cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:38:54 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

In a message dated 9/11/98
 10:<BR28:<BR20 AM Central Daylight Ti, realtorjohn@sprynet.com writes:

> There is also  WWW.cachassisworks.com.

Rjohn,

Good stuff...thanks/carron

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:10:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Re: G-Body Trim + Chrome

I would also like to find another source other than GM for the rear bumpers.  I
ordered one this summer and it came in severely scratched, so I thought that I
would give them one more chance and try another one.  Well, that one was 10
times worse than the first one.  Now I am stuck with a bumper that is staring
to rust out and the rest of the car is in near perfect condition.  Any help
would be gratly appreciated.
		
			Robb Yasczak 	vjtd@grove.iup.edu
			
			1969 Cutlass S Conv.	
			1969 442	
			1976 442	
			1987 Cutlass Salon
			1998 Intrigue GLS

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:11:32 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: This Sunday, Kane County, IL

I'll be in vendor spot E-14 this Sunday at the Kane County car show and swap
meet. Stop by and say hi if you make it! There is usually a number (dozen or
more) of IVOC member and other Oldses on display.

Location: Kane Counter Fairgrounds, St. Charles, IL. On Randall Road, near Rt.
38. Free parking, $4 entrance, under 12 free. General admission parking 
entrance
is on Rt 38, just west of Randall Road, on the south (left) side. Park, cross
the bridge and you're there! Vending in the main building and on the north side
of grounds.

- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:52:18 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: arcing problem and spark plugs readings

In a message dated 9/9/98 10:37:16 PM EST, david.cullen@snet.net writes:

<<

 > I was
 >turning the engine over to get top dead center on #1 when I noticed
 >that sparks jump from the center of my cap to the edges where the
 >spark plugs contacts are (All on the underside of the cap).

 O.K. - distributor cap off, lying on its side, wires still connected, power
 on. You turn the engine and a spark jumps to one of the cap connections that
 goes to the plug wires, right? Shouldn't happen.

 > That's a
 >good 2 1/2" jump.  I thought I remember reading somewhere that the
 >spark shouldn't jump like that.
  >>

OK, I can see a problem here.  First, checking with the cap off will not give
a good indication of how it works (unless arcing is all you are interested
in).  With the cap on, the rotor is the mechanism that allows the spark to go
in the right area.  Without the rotor, the spark will jump wherever it can
(which happens to be what you are seeing).  From what I can tell of what you
are saying, you are getting exactly what you should be when the cap is off.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:57:43 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.

Karl.
Displacement is a small factor, RPMs is the key. When intake valve closes
it creates a shock wave in the fuel/air trapped behind the valve, this is
under pressure due to the inertia of the mixture, Objects in motion, blah,
blah, blah. If you can time the return wave to correspond with a specific
RPM using intake runner length and diameter, when the intake opens the
return wave will give a mild supercharging effect by pushing the fuel/air
into the cyn. Those old 413's had a heck of a torque output from about 1700
to 3300 RPMs. After 3300 they fell off greatly. Like a 2 stroke going "off
the pipe" with an expansion chamber exhaust. Exhaust works about the same
way. HRM had an article on this with formulae's and such, but it was years
ago. Do not still have the article, sorry, I would have scanned it and
forwarded it to you.
Lou Biggs
PS. When they changed the 413 to a super stock engine they used very short
intake runners with a large plenum. Max torque curve on those engines was
about 4500 to 6500 RPMs.


                                       > From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Ideas on 455 Aircraft Engine.
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:25 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-09-10 10:49:24 EDT, you write:
>
> << Optimizing a 455 for low RPM output requires long, relatively
>  narrow intake and exhaust plumbing.  This will build airflow velocity
and
>  if the length is correctly matched to the engine and RPM, can provide a
ram
>  induction effect to push volumetric efficiency over 100%.  Witness the
old
>  413 Chrysler motors with the long ram manifolds that actually placed the
>  carbs outboard of the valve covers.  >>
>
> Rrrmmmm.
>
> Karl beleives he unnerstands narrow and high velocity as part of
necessary
> fluid dynamics.
> But why do passages need to be yea long for displacement/RPM?
>
> Still morning now (sigh).
> Will query an off-list person on this topic and forward his opinions.
>
> Joe?
> Can I forward your views?
>
> SOM
> &KA

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:56:04 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: names

In a message dated 9/9/98 11:04:26 PM EST, ithefunki@cchat.com writes:

<<
 Corvette - Fast ship...
 Monte Carlo - Elegant RICH peoples City????  How did that become a car?
  >>

Monte Carlo - I'm guessing the name came from the famous/presigeous (sp?) race
that is run on the streets of said city.  Something similar to the another
similar name that probably came along the same way... Daytona.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:03:05 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher/MO/americancentury@americancentury.com>
Subject: Brothers Automotive

Has anyone had a convertible top purchased and installed at Brothers
Automotive? I live near there and was considering purchasing it from them
and having them do the installation. I was just wondering if anyone had
done this, and what there impression of the workmanship/cost was.

Thanks
Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:08:44 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

"...and you'll never get the money that you put into it out of it when you
sell it."
Chris Sommerville
__________

Sell it?  What does that mean?  There's somebody who thinks there's a
profit to me made here?   ;-)

I just assumed this whole car thing is a continuation of building model car
kits.  Only now, the models are at 1:1 scale.

"You can tell the men from the boys by the price of their toys..."

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:14:12 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Don, uh Joe, oops sorry I got lost in the thread....i should read more
carefully. There is also  WWW.cachassisworks.com. he might have something
also. These guys are pros, so they won't be the cheapest, just the
best.Good hunting
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32
______

No prob, but I'd be cautious about using something from Chassisworks or
Morrison on the street.  Their products are geared primarily towards drag
racing, with the result that the most strenuous cornering this hardware is
designed to do is to turn onto the return road at the end of the quarter
mile.  Most of their stuff it based on Mustang II front suspension designs.
The street rod crowd has been marketing subframe and IFS kits for a long
time, starting with adapting the Jag XJ6 front end (it comes off on a
bolt-on crossmember.  Many of these fat-fendered cars have big blocks and
weigh about as much as an A-body (if not more).  I'd be skeptical of using
a drag race front end on one of these on the street.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:39:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 15th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  My wife and I again are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sunday, Sept 13, 1998.   This is a
successful and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for
this year.  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking
lot, which is right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully
visible to thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also
conveniently located next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront
Landing, and right next door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of
our proud sponsors).  We had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A
total of well over 100 cars were on display.  This year we anticipate the
largest turnout ever.


I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  If you go to the show, make sure you come by and say hi.  I will be
at either of two places, the DJ table, or near my car (Blue 1969 4-4-2 with
factory white racing stripes on the hood)  Also, food and beverages will be
available.

Here is the information:
SUNDAY, Sept. 13, 1998, 8am-4pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile
Funshow.  Car Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The
Archway Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or
classic Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles
Banquet center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and
trophies given away in 16 categories.  Cruise by and check out the show
while the DJ plays the golden Oldies.  For more information call John
Palmberger (314)-355-4864 or Jeff Zeilmann (314) 939-4613.

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Best
Western (the Hotel that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).  There are 3
hotels within one block of the show, and nearly a dozen within a one mile
radius of the show.

ps. The '69 4-4-2 will definitely be there (just got the carb rebuilt!)
  .
/ | \
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|/|\|
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Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:26:53 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

In a message dated 9/10/98 3:52:36 PM EST, ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<
 I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and
 got to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and
 some cartridge rolls, well...

 Do I need help?>>

Well, yes, but you're not going to get it from any of us (all inflicted the
same way...).

 <<(Olds Content)  I need to find a way to get a Olds 215 or 260 on a
 riding mower, anyone got any ideas?

 Thomas Martin >>

I've got the old 260 sitting here.  You can try it.  Would need some gaskets,
etc., but I'm sure it'd turn the blades, and move you along just fine as
is....  :-O

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:27:05 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

In a message dated 9/11/98
 12:<BR21:<BR39 PM Central Daylight Ti, Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

>  I'd be skeptical of using
>  a drag race front end on one of these on the street.
>

Woah!! Good call Joe. I appreciate the warning, as I am a complete novice at
this business. I've restroed a couple of motorcycles, and am a good craftsman
in metal and wood, but I have no technical knowledge of hot rodding.

I haven't mentioned this to the list, as I think it may be so far-out as to
cause rebuffs, but I am really thinking of putting a 4wd sub-chassis under it
(40's Olds sedannette). Maybe something from a Bronco or a Scout.

So, I probably won't be looking to a commercial cub frame. However, looknin at
what the commercial boys have done is enlightening.

Hey, how's luck??? I just found out that the AACA SE Regional is having their
annual show in Oak Ridge this weekend...just about 25 miles from my home.
Maybe I can get a lead on my car there.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:26:48 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

Joe,
AMEN!
Lou Biggs

> "You can tell the men from the boys by the price of their toys..."
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:39:54 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Brake shoe Q.

Nice post. I also want to add, don't put the car in gear until you have pushed
the brake pedal several times, resulting in a firm pedal. It's amazing how fast
the car moves toward solid objects when I'm frantically pushing the pedal! Yep,
have forgotten a couple of times.
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:45:36 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: What are SS IV's?

There a polycast steel wheel option for full size cars. Check out the wheels
seciont of the Miscellaneous section of the Olds FAQ on 442.com.
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:47:06 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

In a message dated 98-09-10 16:52:36 EDT, you write:

<< I think I need help, was rebuilding my Lawn Mower carb last night and got
to looking at the intake manifold....Then out came the Dremel and some
cartridge rolls, well...
 Do I need help? >>

Not really.

But you will require a carburetor with a CFM rating of 1.5 to 2X what might
normally be used for that application (what is the powerband here?) as the
best air filter for your application will prolly be particularly restrictive
as it must filter out the normal stuff plus all th byproducts of your actions.

Such as the instantly atomized grass trimmings!

Incidentally, Edelbrock carries some nifty HiPo parts for the Harley-Davidson
V-twin engine that might make that a more viable selection...

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:47:11 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

In a message dated 98-09-10 17:44:27 EDT, you write:

<< And how about a rear axle, and a set of 66/67 chrome wheels?? >>

Alas, a rear axle might be a tough one....

Oh.

I thought this might go into the old Toro rear diff for power thread.

Did toros use a rear axle?

For that matter, did toro wheels have chrome?
Did not think that the "satellite" wheels were that shiny.

Hmmmm.

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:47:11 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Interesting Classified Ad

In a message dated 98-09-10 15:31:19 EDT, you write:

<< 96 Special Construction 3-Wheeler. Powered by 455 Olds, Auto, air craft
alum. body, 2 seats in-line, 5 pt. harness belts, 185 est. top speed. $4,500.
>>

Yikes!

So, if no cost to run the ad, what would it say?

Once owned by Evel Keneivel?    (sp?)
Only driven to grocery store (across Snake Canyon)??

Sounds like the kind of ultra-light type that tech-college kids powered by
bicycles.
(two seats in line???)

So it is narrow, light, and reaaaaaaaaally fast???

I think it qualifies as a 455 aeroplane.

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:53:23 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Towing (was: Information.. was: Toro Graveyard, revisit)

Did toros use a rear axle?
____________

Yupper.  Gotta hold the back of the car off the ground somehow.

The Toro rear axle (not to be confused with the lawnmower of the same name)
was a simple beam affair on leaf springs.  Makes a pretty good trailer
axle, too...

Speaking of holding the back of the car off the ground, does anyone else
remember an article in Pop Mechanics (?) back in the late 60s (?) about
trailer towing?  The lead-in photo, to demonstrate the benefits of an
equalizer hitch, was a Toro towing a large trailer.  Thanks to the
equalizing hitch, they were able to actually remove the rear wheels from
the car!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:11:26 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Information wanted on "subbing-out" (sub chassis mod)

Chris Alston Chassisworks offered streetable components as well as hard-core
race stuff at one time.  The mustang II stuff is usually tough enough to
handle most street activities.  Kits are available from other sources for
early 50's chevies that weigh as much as our A and G body Oldsmobiles.   Folks
that build rods or street machines using that front end normally use good
sense when driving and do not subject the cars to undue stress and strain.
Besides most of the original mustang stuff has been dropped in favor of
after-market replacement items engineered for the specific use.  About the
only thing actually ford is the rack and pinion unit and these are being
manufactured by the after-market now.  Kind of like the 9 inch rear ends you
can buy that don't have a ford part in them, same design, but all
after-market.  The biggest problem using race parts in a street car is noise
and wear of heim joints.  With the streetable versions you get polyurethane
for durability and quietness, but sacrifice the stiffness of the race set up.
If their stuff is safe enough for 200 mph door slammers, it should be safe for
your street car that will never see the potential loads.  Give them a call and
tell them what you are trying to do and get their recommendations.  There is a
ton of this stuff in use on the road everyday.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:33:44 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

Hmmm indeed Karl..  They have a rear axle, but it is mroe like the steel bar
taht connects the rear wheels, kinda like modern FWD's.  Basically it is
just a steel beeam with the wheel hubs attached at the ends...  Unless I was
looking at part of the rear frame.  cause the rear part of the frame is
independant of the main part...  hmmm...  (my tech... lingo is lacking, so
something may be lost in the translation).

And there were Chrome wheels.  The guy I bought my 67 from has a set for his
66.  But I don't know if these were produce for teh 66-67 years, or maybe
the 68-69 years....  Hmmmm...
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite


>In a message dated 98-09-10 17:44:27 EDT, you write:
>
><< And how about a rear axle, and a set of 66/67 chrome wheels?? >>
>
>Alas, a rear axle might be a tough one....
>
>Oh.
>
>I thought this might go into the old Toro rear diff for power thread.
>
>Did toros use a rear axle?
>
>For that matter, did toro wheels have chrome?
>Did not think that the "satellite" wheels were that shiny.
>
>Hmmmm.
>
>SOM
>&KA
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:01:14 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: Any car shows near Knoxville TN??

Sept. 19 in Pulaski TN 15th annual area car enthusiasts antique car show.
Contact Brenda Edwards, tel. 931-363-2585
Memphis, TN Sept. 19 Salute to Summer of 98 car, Truck, and Motercycle Show.
Whispering Woods Hotel & Conf. Ctr. I think they might worship Che-ys contact
is Matt Struna 901-758-0730. Near Knoxville is a relative term.  Hope this
helps.  If I'm able (broken heel bone) I'll be in Carlisle, PA. at the
fairgrounds.  My what a show!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:10:05 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake shoe Q.

The parking brake, or any application of of brakes, any one time will only
adjust the brakes once no matter how far you drive backwards.  The adjustment
only occurs if the pads move out far enough for the cable to move the
adjustment.  Thus the brakes are not adjusted each time.  Only when sufficient
clearances in the brake allow it to happen.
Hope this helps.
Jerry

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:40:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): BOPC show for the year 2000

Attention all OCA members, and Olds club members,

Locally here in St. Louis, our Olds chapter is currently talking to members
of the local Buick, Pontiac, and Cadillac chapters, and would like to get
other Olds Chapters involved if possible.  We are in the early planning
stages of a Midwest BOPC (Buick, OLDS, Pontiac, Cadillac) show that will
most likely take place in the year 2000.  It is going to be a National show
event that is welcoming participation from all over the country, and will
probably be the largest auto show ever to hit the Midwest.  We are scouting
out locations here in St. Louis that could accommodate this large of a show
(ie.  a place that is large enough to handle the amount of cars, and is
conveniently located near several hotels).  Let me know if you have any info
about who might be interested in helping to organize such a show from your
area.  I am primarily looking for people from any local Olds chapters from
the surrounding states in the Midwest.  Once the date and location is set,
then we would just need support from other chapters to help get the word out
and make the Oldsmobile portion of the show a very strong representation.

I am currently working on something to submit to OCA, and put into JWO.
 Once we have the official commitment from the B,  P, & C chapters, I will
make it so.

Please E-mail me directly with any responses.

Happy Oldsmobiling!

Jeff

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
 Jeff Zeilmann
(OCA# 029185)
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:33:00 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 Caravan (MD)

If your going to the CCR/Templeton Show on 9/13, my OCA chapter, the Oldsmobile
Centennial Club, is meeting at the I-95 rest stop between Baltimore & 
Washington
(ON SOUTHBOUND I-95) that day between 8:30-9:00am and going from there to the
show.  If you want to join the caravan, just show up.  We will be taking I-95
south to the Washington Beltway then head West toward Rockville to cross the
Cabin John Bridge into Virginia, then West on Rt7/Leesburg Pike (4th or 5th
exit into VA) to Templeton Olds, about 3-4 miles down the road.

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy
brad442@erols.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:31:59 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: RE:Names (Bel Air)

Never thought of my hometown, Bel Air, MARYLAND, to be a fancy place to
live, just neat to grow up in.  Back in the 60's-70's I can remember the
police dept. using Bel Airs for patrol cars, at least up through '74 (I was
9 years old then and lived 100 yards from the station)

Olds Content:
I'm checking the electrical system in the '87 442 next week to see if it it
first and formost operating properly w/ a multimeter to check things out as
instructed in the shop manual.  Next step will be pull the dash & check the
contacts, have to replace a couple bulbs above the speedo &
volt/amp/gas/temp gauges.  It's running strong so I "think" the alternator
rebuild was a good choice no matter what.

Brad Nicholson
OCA's WebGuy
brad442@erols.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:40:30
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: List members from Norway ?

Just wonder if there are anyone else from
Norway or Sweeden on this list.

Chris RL

cutlass calais -81
honda lawn mower -85

crl6420@online.no

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:42:29 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ported my Lawn mower, am I sick?

Let's see.  1 pickup-1 driver- 2 olds convertibles old Kaiser 38 Pontiac. 2
riding mowers collection of 3 wheel bikes and 2 wheel bikes.  Don't need to
sell just need more buildings.  That way she can't say I told you so.  You'll
never be able to get enough for them to repay yourself.  Keep building sheds.
No need to mention the tools needed to keep these hobbies going.  Sold the
airplanes though, after them cars and lawnmowers are cheap.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:47:52 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: oxidation and stains  help???

this is just a question so i can try to keep the paint job that i have on my
82 cutlass supreme looking nice until i can afford to get it painted.    On
the hood of my cutlass there is a little oxidation on it and before i got it
was parked under a tree and leaves were on it and left i guess they are
stains? (dark brown).   My question is i tried washing and power washing it
but they are still there is there anything you guys know of that i could use
to try and get the oxid and stains out   TIA   Rich

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?

> I'll be at the CCR/Templeton Show Sunday, anyone else going?
> ...
>
> Brad Nicholson
> OCA's WebGuy
> brad442@erols.com


I'll be there!  Look for the Bittersweet Cutlass convertible (1971).  I
hear Joe Padavano is planning to show up without an Olds.  Brent says he's
gonna do something about that.  We shall see!

I saw the T-shirt design at this month's CCR meeting.  As usual, Cory has
done an incredible job with the design.  Everyone, it's worth coming to the
show and registering a car just for this T-shirt!

 --                           ______________                     _
Drew Senko                   / Convertibles \                    |\
dsenko@uu.net                \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
Vienna, VA, USA                            O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva              o o  =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

September 13 - CAPITOL CITY ROCKETS 10TH ANNUAL ALL-OLDSMOBILE SHOW
Hosted by Capitol City Rockets. At Templeton Oldsmobile,
8598 Leesburg Pike (Rt7), Vienna, VA 22182. Come out and help CCR
celebrate 10 great years! Prepare for a day of music, food, fun, and
Oldsmobiles. Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 9/4/98, $12 day of show.
Registration includes dash plaque, event T-shirt, goodie bag, and door
prize ticket. Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets".Send
registration to : Brent & Ray, Attn:CCR Fall Show, 1926 Leonard Road,
Falls Church, VA 22043. Info: Brent(703)761-0297 or Ray(703)360-2955.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:09:51 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

is there anything you guys know of that i could use
to try and get the oxid and stains out   TIA   Rich
___________

Sounds like it's time for a very mild rubbing compound.  You could try some
of the products available in mainstream auto parts stores, but I'd go to an
auto paint store and ask for the mildest compound they have.  You can start
by using this by hand, applying it with a soft cloth and polishing by hand,
though you may find that all this does is provide you with an upper body
workout.  An electric buffer is better, but be careful, as it is very easy
to cut right through the paint, particularly at edges and creases in the
sheetmetal.  If you go the buffer route, you should consider applying
masking tape over any edges and ridges.  Use the buffer, then go back and
do the areas under the tape by hand.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:15:49 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?

What time on Sunday is the show?  I assume it's open to non-CCR members,
right?

At 04:06 PM 9/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> I'll be at the CCR/Templeton Show Sunday, anyone else going?
>> ...
>>
>> Brad Nicholson
>> OCA's WebGuy
>> brad442@erols.com
>
>
>I'll be there!  Look for the Bittersweet Cutlass convertible (1971).  I
>hear Joe Padavano is planning to show up without an Olds.  Brent says he's
>gonna do something about that.  We shall see!
>
>I saw the T-shirt design at this month's CCR meeting.  As usual, Cory has
>done an incredible job with the design.  Everyone, it's worth coming to the
>show and registering a car just for this T-shirt!
>
> --                           ______________                     _
>Drew Senko                   / Convertibles \                    |\
>dsenko@uu.net                \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
>Vienna, VA, USA                            O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
>http://members.aol.com/drewinva              o o  =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
>______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____
>
>September 13 - CAPITOL CITY ROCKETS 10TH ANNUAL ALL-OLDSMOBILE SHOW
>Hosted by Capitol City Rockets. At Templeton Oldsmobile,
>8598 Leesburg Pike (Rt7), Vienna, VA 22182. Come out and help CCR
>celebrate 10 great years! Prepare for a day of music, food, fun, and
>Oldsmobiles. Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 9/4/98, $12 day of show.
>Registration includes dash plaque, event T-shirt, goodie bag, and door
>prize ticket. Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets".Send
>registration to : Brent & Ray, Attn:CCR Fall Show, 1926 Leonard Road,
>Falls Church, VA 22043. Info: Brent(703)761-0297 or Ray(703)360-2955.
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:31:57 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?

Hmmm... I wish I knew about these a little more in advance...  I would love
to go, but I need time to get off from work...  :-(((  (in Olds withdraw)

In other olds news: I finally got the carb for the Toronado, and got it on
today.  all I can say is sweet!

But do you'all ahve any tuning suggestions for a q-jet to make it run a
little stronger?  I dont know exactly how to tune one...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Drew Senko <dsenko@UU.NET>
To: olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: CCR/Templeton Show 9/13 - Who's going?


>> I'll be at the CCR/Templeton Show Sunday, anyone else going?
>> ...
>>
>> Brad Nicholson
>> OCA's WebGuy
>> brad442@erols.com
>
>
>I'll be there!  Look for the Bittersweet Cutlass convertible (1971).  I
>hear Joe Padavano is planning to show up without an Olds.  Brent says he's
>gonna do something about that.  We shall see!
>
>I saw the T-shirt design at this month's CCR meeting.  As usual, Cory has
>done an incredible job with the design.  Everyone, it's worth coming to the
>show and registering a car just for this T-shirt!
>
> --                           ______________                     _
>Drew Senko                   / Convertibles \                    |\
>dsenko@uu.net                \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
>Vienna, VA, USA                            O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
>http://members.aol.com/drewinva              o o
=\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
>______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/___
__
>
>September 13 - CAPITOL CITY ROCKETS 10TH ANNUAL ALL-OLDSMOBILE SHOW
>Hosted by Capitol City Rockets. At Templeton Oldsmobile,
>8598 Leesburg Pike (Rt7), Vienna, VA 22182. Come out and help CCR
>celebrate 10 great years! Prepare for a day of music, food, fun, and
>Oldsmobiles. Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 9/4/98, $12 day of show.
>Registration includes dash plaque, event T-shirt, goodie bag, and door
>prize ticket. Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets".Send
>registration to : Brent & Ray, Attn:CCR Fall Show, 1926 Leonard Road,
>Falls Church, VA 22043. Info: Brent(703)761-0297 or Ray(703)360-2955.
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:19:14 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher/MO/americancentury@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

this is just a question so i can try to keep the paint job that i have on
my
82 cutlass supreme looking nice until i can afford to get it painted.    On
the hood of my cutlass there is a little oxidation on it and before i got
it
was parked under a tree and leaves were on it and left i guess they are
stains? (dark brown).   My question is i tried washing and power washing it
but they are still there is there anything you guys know of that i could
use
to try and get the oxid and stains out   TIA   Rich



My dad had the same problem with his car, and for the leaf stains, he used
a paint cleaner by Meguiar's. It removes the wax (the stains actually crept
in under the wax, so no amount of washing or waxing would get rid of them),
and lets you get to the paint to remove the stains and possibly the
oxidation. Then he applied a new coat of wax, and the problem was solved.
It might not work for your car, but it's not a bad place to start.

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:22:29 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: This Sunday, Kane County, IL

I will be there with my '70 W31. I was there last year and thought that the
show was pretty good. The neatest part came at the end when the took a
disassembled ford model A and put it back together in less than two minutes
and drove it 50 yards. Anybody else on the list going?
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

 I'll be in vendor spot E-14 this Sunday at the Kane County car show and swap
 meet. Stop by and say hi if you make it! There is usually a number (dozen or
 more) of IVOC member and other Oldses on display.
  >>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:26:27 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

thanx

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:29:48 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long

Hi Everyone!

Summer is almost over and I am back on the Olds list!  I hope everyone is
well and that a lot of happy Oldsmobiling was done by all.

I did very well drag racing my 85 Salon.  I got a new 60 foot time of 1.5
seconds.....not bad.  Still running mid 12's at around 110.

My 455 Olds powered boats ran better than ever!! Lota skiing and water racing!

The W-30 convert that you guys talked me into buying is in our shop getting
a total repaint.  What a fun car!  I really enjoyed running around this
summer with the top dropped.

The best part of summer happened at the salvage yard I worked at.  A 70
year old man came in and wanted help putting belts on his 84 Cutlass.
(Right away I thought ciera)  Then he told me it was a V8.  (I thought
Supreme)  Then he said it was a fancy one with T-tops and 3 shifts. I said
Hurst?  He said yes!  He wanted me to come to his house and help with the
belts.  I got there, and sure enough....84 Hurst!  He bought it new and was
very frusterated with replacing belts.  I gave him the ol' line of how I
always wanted one of these...And guess what? We made a deal and I now own
another 84 Hurst Olds!  For 800 Bucks!!!!

This leads to my question....

The 84 that I bought out of the junk yard last spring has a chrome air
cleaner lid with one snorkel aiming to the drivers side.  The 84 that I got
from the old man has a black air cleaner lid with 2 snorkels.  A long
narrow one on the left and a stubby fat one on the right.   Which car has
the correct air cleaner?

I am parting out the 84 from the yard to make the old man car nice.  If
anyone needs anything, let me know.  I had this car for sale on Bryces
page, but now I need odds and ends off of it.

Thanks for the infor on air cleaners!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
84 Hurst Olds
84 Hurst Olds parts car
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:33:29 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Mr President????????

I thought all you americans might like this


 ... it could come back to bite you.

A quote during the infamous Watergate scandal:

"Yes, the president should resign.  He has lied to the American
people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust.  He is
no longer an effective leader.  Since he has admitted guilt,
there is no reason to put the American people through an
impeachment.  He will serve absolutely no purpose in
finishing out his term; the only possible solution is for
the president to save some dignity and resign."
>
>
>
>
>
>


      - William Jefferson Clinton, 1974.
        ***************

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:38:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

> On the hood of my cutlass there is a little oxidation on it and
> before i got it was parked under a tree and leaves were on it and
> left i guess they are stains? (dark brown).

What color is the paint itself?

> My question is i tried washing and power washing it but they are
> still there is there anything you guys know of that i could use
> to try and get the oxid and stains out   TIA   Rich

Had the same car in dark blue. Paint quality in those days was not
real great (although all the bad-primer goofups have shown themselves
by now). I'd try DuPont White Rubbing Compound in the hope that the
stains and oxidation will come off together, then paste wax it all.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:44:25 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

the color of the paint is grey

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:56:21 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mr President????????

There is a real difference this time. *Now* the president would be Albert
Gore. I have recently become one of clinton's fondest supporters.

Cheers/Carron


In a message dated 9/11/98
 3:<BR36:<BR55 PM Central Daylight Tim, HURSTOLDZ@aol.com writes:

> I thought all you Americans might like this
>
>
>   ... it could come back to bite you.
>
>  A quote during the infamous Watergate scandal:
>
>  "Yes, the president should resign.  He has lied to the American
>  people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust.  He is
>  no longer an effective leader.  Since he has admitted guilt,
>  there is no reason to put the American people through an
>  impeachment.  He will serve absolutely no purpose in
>  finishing out his term; the only possible solution is for
>  the president to save some dignity and resign."
>  >
>        - William Jefferson Clinton, 1974.

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:59:58 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???

Rich,
I have had good luck with the dupont white polishing compound, If you use a
power buffer take care with the edges as Joe said.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: RICH6986@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: oxidation and stains help???
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 3:44 PM
>
> the color of the paint is grey

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:37:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

********LAST NOTIFICATION*********

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 15th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  My wife and I again are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sunday, Sept 13, 1998.   This is a
successful and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for
this year.  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking
lot, which is right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully
visible to thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also
conveniently located next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront
Landing, and right next door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of
our proud sponsors).  We had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A
total of well over 100 cars were on display.  This year we anticipate the
largest turnout ever.


I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  If you go to the show, make sure you come by and say hi.  I will be
at either of two places, the DJ table, or near my car (Blue 1969 4-4-2 with
factory white racing stripes on the hood)  Also, food and beverages will be
available.

Here is the information:
SUNDAY, Sept. 13, 1998, 8am-4pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile
Funshow.  Car Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The
Archway Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or
classic Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles
Banquet center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and
trophies given away in 16 categories.  Cruise by and check out the show
while the DJ plays the golden Oldies.  For more information call John
Palmberger (314)-355-4864 or Jeff Zeilmann (314) 939-4613.

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Best
Western (the Hotel that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).  There are 3
hotels within one block of the show, and nearly a dozen within a one mile
radius of the show.

ps. The '69 4-4-2 will definitely be there (just got the carb rebuilt!)
  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone #: (314) 939-4613
Daytime #: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'69 4-4-2, '69 Cutlass S Convertible, '68 Cutlass Supreme,

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:35:30 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long

Hi Tony.  First off, welcome back.  As I'm sure others will tell you, the
dual-snorkel air cleaner is the original one.  Check out Tom Lentz's site.
It's very comprehensive.  http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/.

Jason Adcock
E-mail: rocketolds@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Waldner <tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 4:31 PM
Subject: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long


>The 84 that I bought out of the junk yard last spring has a chrome air
>cleaner lid with one snorkel aiming to the drivers side.  The 84 that I got
>from the old man has a black air cleaner lid with 2 snorkels.  A long
>narrow one on the left and a stubby fat one on the right.   Which car has
>the correct air cleaner?

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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:21:09 EDT
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conv top cylinders

In a message dated 9/10/98 11:30:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ef01@sprynet.com
writes:

<< 1) replace the plastic lines if this the problem(I had to pull the rear
seat to
 get access cutlass might be different)
 2) pull motor out of car dispose of brake fluid and replace with fresh brake
 fluid personal preference everyone one else is going to tell you to switch to
 dexron II
 3)bleeed system. all you do is run top up and down without letting fluid
level
 in reservoir drop.

 Good Luck email if you need details on bleeding or anything else.

 Erik Ferguson


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Concerning the fluid for these top cylinders can one use Silicone brake fluid?
If you can, the advantage would seem to be no moisture attraction and no
corrosion to speak of......

Bob Iozia
Brick NJ
69 442
70 442
67 Cutlass Cvt.

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