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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 24 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1444



W-30 parts
Fuel Tank Hoses
Re: Fuel Tank Hoses
Re: W-30 parts
Re: Chev pistons in the 455
Spotted a '72 442 W31!
Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!
I'm, err, We're Back
O4B
Re: W-30 parts
Re: obsessed with my 67
Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!
Re: O4B
Re: Having a senior moment
Re:  Late H/O or 442 cam specs
TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?
Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs
Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?
Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?
Re: See My Diff Code!
BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !
Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !
15th annual olds car show and swap details....
Re: Show in Northampton MA
Re: See My Diff Code!
[Fwd: Re: Restorable 1968 442 for sale!!]
F heads was Re: W-30 parts
Re: O4B
Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!
Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !
Driving TOPLESS...and not getting caught :)
Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !
Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....
Re: [Fwd: Re: Restorable 1968 442 for sale!!]
Re: O4B
Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....
F0-F10 Block Lettering for Smallblocks?
Re: 455 Pistons questions
Re: Show in Northampton MA
Re: 455 Pistons questions
Re: Fuel Tank Hoses
Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?
Re: O4B
Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....
g08
Re: Fuel Tank Hoses
Re: 455 Pistons questions
Hood Pin Stuck
Salem Va car show (of sorts)
I was afraid to get out of bed
RE:
OCA Event Listing (Kind of long)

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:04:11 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: W-30 parts

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I tried posting this before but it didn't make the post, Any parts =
experts know what the going price for a 1970 W-30 groupo would be.  This =
includes correct carb, intake, F-heads and exhaust manifolds, no cam. =
Joe Padavano, I know you mailed me privately on this one but I wanted to =
get some more ideas, Mondello said the carb is worth 3 - 4 hundred =
alone!!  Anyone have these parts for sale themselves.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:08:47 -0600
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@uswest.net>
Subject: Fuel Tank Hoses

Well, I finally got around to fixing the fuel tank in my '68 Cutlass.
Whenever I fill the tank above 1/2 full, gas literally runs out from the
top of the tank (out of view). When I removed the tank, I found 3 lines,
1 from the top center, which i assume feeds the carb, then 2 more lines
on the right hand corner (looking from rear of car). Both are not
attached to anything. One of the 2 is about 3/8 inch OD, the other is
about 3/4 inch OD. The larger was is broken at the tank, this may have
been my leak?

Should they be attached to anything?

Thanks for the help!

Tom Starkey
'68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:20:23 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Hoses

In a message dated 98-08-23 16:08:39 EDT, you write:

<<  I found 3 lines, 1 from the top center, which i assume feeds the carb,
then 2 more lines >>

One of the two is usually a return lne from the fuel pump. If your pump does
not have a return-line fitting, then the gas tank (sender?) may be an
incorrect replacement.

The big line is likely a tank vent line.
Mine is also broken (I think) and goes to a metal tube that goes through my
trunk floor on the passengers side right behind the rear wheel and about 8-10"
inboard.

Good luck.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:26:21 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 parts

In a message dated 98-08-23 16:04:49 EDT, you write:

<< Mondello said the carb is worth 3 - 4 hundred alone!!   >>

Probably right.
But still kinda high.
C. B. Witt had a W-30 carb new in box for like $350-400 at the Olds Homecoming
Swap meet.
Actually pretty cheap.

The block and heads would prolly be the easiest parts to come by.

Then there is the W-30 intake which costs MORE than the carb.
I still do not understand why they are valued so high.

But then, having survived two bacheor parties in two days, I may not be
thinking clearly.

BTW There have been unusually few posts lately.

Thanks everybody!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:06:19 -0400
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: Chev pistons in the 455

Hello,
 Ed Binnix asked why you couldn't use the 400 sb chev piston in the 455.
It has the wrong compression distance, and the chev sb wrist pin is only
.927, not .989 like the chev bb. there are no flattop 396/402 bb chev
pistons available[that i know of].
 The 396/402 piston[w/dome removed] in the 455 is a very simple and
straightfoward piece of hottrodding. It gives you a true 10.2 - 10.3 to
one engine, with no deck cut, and an 80 cc head. A so called 10.25-1
olds 2323 piston will give you around 9.2-1 with no deck cut, and an 80
cc head.[above estimates are @4.155" bore, and felpro gasket]
 Ed- e-mail me direct, and i'll help with the details if you like.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:02:22 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Spotted a '72 442 W31!

I just got back from a wonderful (and well deserved, if I may say so)
vacation on the Outer Banks of NC.  It took me a couple of hours to read
all the mail that built up (thank god I get 10 megs if mail space!).

I didn't take the 442 this year, the SUV holds a lot more - especially
when taking the dog.  I DID see a lot of Olds while vacationing.  It
seems as though a lot of the locals have early to mid 80's Delta 88s -
they're everywhere!  Saw a couple of Toros - mid 70s to 80s.  Also saw a
'70 Cutlass convertible (tan), '71 Cutlass convertible (brown), and a
'72 442 W31 convertible (yes, it said W31) that was red with parchment
interior.  The owner has owned it for 20 years.  Obviously I would never
go up to a stranger and tell them what was "incorrect" with their car,
but it seems to me I might have seen this at an CCR show last year.  It
had VA plates that "1OF1172",  or "1OF1171".  Does anyone know of this
car?  If so, what's the deal?  Does he really believe it's a W31, or did
he do that for fun?

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:04:06 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!

> had VA plates that "1OF1172",  or "1OF1171".  Does anyone know of this
> car?  If so, what's the deal?  Does he really believe it's a W31, or did
> he do that for fun?

one of 1171 means that it is one of the 1,171 W-29 equipped (442)
convertibles for 1972.  However, the W-31, regardless of WHAT he says,
was discontinued after 1970, though a few test 71s were built.

I think he just liked the badges, or the previous owner did.  Either
way, they are an added emblem AFTER the car was built at the factory.
UNLESS, he or someone else put a W-31 engine in it, and then put the
badges on to identify it as such.  Don't know.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:25:23 -0600
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: I'm, err, We're Back

Just got back from Hawaii and the first thing "we" had to do was get back on
the list.  So say hello to Mr. and Mrs. Adams.  Wedding completed.  Next
project a very torn apart 65 in need of some TLC, and alot of money.

Travis and Dawn Adams
65 442 Sports Coupe

P.S.  If you go to Hawaii hit Maui.  Much more relaxing.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:46:30 EDT
From: <OLDZ69442@aol.com>
Subject: O4B

List

A friend of mine is selling an edelbrock intake and was asked is it an O4B.
What is an O4B intake--------is it a torkerll or a RPM or a victor or
something else.

Thanks
Bob Iozia
Brick,NJ
69 442
70 442
70 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:59:34 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 parts

correct carb,>>> $300 - 400
 intake,>>> $650 - $1000
 F-heads>>> $1000 - $1500
exhaust manifolds, >>> $150 - $250

A lot depends on condition. Thats why my prieces bounce around so much.



Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)




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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:15:01 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: obsessed with my 67

True...  Jeff doesnt do this either.  and Blue Thunder is a true lady,
so she never gives hime trouble...  even if she has her lil female
quirks...

Hmmm...  Jeffy thinks he may need a therapist...

Dave Cullen wrote:
>
> >In the final stages, you should expect to name your car (you will probably
> not
> >be able to help it) and refer to your car as first person, and yourself in
> >third person....
> >
> >(((Wait a sec....  :)   )))
> >
> Not so. Dave will never speak of himself in the third person, and Grey Boat
> doesn't respond when he calls her....
>
> Oh-oh.
>
> drc

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><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:19:33 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!

Mike Rothe. wrote:
>
> > had VA plates that "1OF1172",  or "1OF1171".  Does anyone know of this
> > car?  If so, what's the deal?  Does he really believe it's a W31, or did
> > he do that for fun?
>
> one of 1171 means that it is one of the 1,171 W-29 equipped (442)
> convertibles for 1972.  However, the W-31, regardless of WHAT he says,
> was discontinued after 1970, though a few test 71s were built.
>
> I think he just liked the badges, or the previous owner did.  Either
> way, they are an added emblem AFTER the car was built at the factory.
> UNLESS, he or someone else put a W-31 engine in it, and then put the
> badges on to identify it as such.  Don't know.
>
> Mike Rothe

Well Mike, I knew that...Actually I thought the tag was 1172, but when I
checked production numbers there were 1171 made, so maybe, just maybe,
this is somewhat tongue in cheek.

Question still stands: Does anybody know this car?
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:18:05 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: O4B

I think you mean OL4B.  I have one on my '71 Cutlass S, 350.  It is an older,
now discontinued, Edelbrock design.   The "OL" stands for "Oldsmobile" and the
"4B" stands for "4 Barrel."  The best I can explain it is that it is sort of a
cross between a Performer and a Performer RPM.  I assume you have seen the
manifold, but if you haven't, it is a dual-plane, somewhat high-rise manifold
and accepts either squarebore or spreadbore carburetors.  It is not an
emissions manifold, but it will accept your emission devices. It doesn't have
the recess in the heat crossover for the hot air tube for the hot air choke
housing, like most Olds have. Instead, it just has a pad to mount a
thermostatic coil for a divorced choke, like a Chevy.  I'm using a Holley with
a manual choke so that didn't bother me.  Mine bolted on perfectly.  The only
problem was my heat control valve was too big  for the port on the manifold.
But a 75 cent reducer at the hardware store fixed that.  I think mine is
great.  I get good idle and high end, too.

Hope this helps,

Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350

OLDZ69442@aol.com wrote:

> List
>
> A friend of mine is selling an edelbrock intake and was asked is it an O4B.
> What is an O4B intake--------is it a torkerll or a RPM or a victor or
> something else.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Iozia
> Brick,NJ
> 69 442
> 70 442
> 70 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:08:20 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Having a senior moment

I met a fellow yesterday who has inherited his grannie's '59 98.  21,000
miles, factory air from the air conditioned factory, chrome fender dents and
doors to match.  He wants to subscribe to the list, but, having the
retentive capacity of a colander, I couldn't tell him how to get it done.
Someone out there knows.  Let's get this Oldsmobiler hooked up.  Thanks.
Peter.

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:22:40 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Late H/O or 442 cam specs

I'd like that address too,
Thanks,
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:38:13 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?

Here is the deal I have a 70 Cutlass that I installed a TH 400 in.  It
previously had a TH350.  I was told that if I used a TH400 short shaft all I
would need to do is change the driveshaft yoke.  I did this but I can't seem
to get the driveshaft in place.  The yoke seems like it may not be sliding all
the way into the tranny.  The drive shaft has a smaller part that comes out at
the rear of the driveshaft.  Is this a 2 piece driveshaft? Is this part
suposed to slide?  Is my yoke not sliding all the way in?  Or do I need to
shorten my driveshaft?

Keith

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:01:05 -0400
From: Stephen Palomba <spalomba@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Late H/O or 442 cam specs

JJP442@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'd like that address too,
> Thanks,
> JJP442@aol.com


John,

	It looks like you are on line. I don't know if you got my last message
with my beeper # on it.

	I know you want a price for the deck lid to see if your budget will
allow it. I payed $200 and some change for the deck lid 5 years ago. If
you want it I will give it up for $275. I don't know what the
availability of this item is new, but I called around to area dealers
and they all said the same thing....... OBSOLITE. I suppose you could
find one in a junk yard but you would probably pay close to the same
price and it's not new.

e-mail me back with your ideas on the subject.

Stephen Palomba

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:06:56 -0400
From: Stephen Palomba <spalomba@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?

KASOLDS@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Here is the deal I have a 70 Cutlass that I installed a TH 400 in.  It
> previously had a TH350.  I was told that if I used a TH400 short shaft all I
> would need to do is change the driveshaft yoke.  I did this but I can't seem
> to get the driveshaft in place.  The yoke seems like it may not be sliding 
all
> the way into the tranny.  The drive shaft has a smaller part that comes out 
at
> the rear of the driveshaft.  Is this a 2 piece driveshaft? Is this part
> suposed to slide?  Is my yoke not sliding all the way in?  Or do I need to
> shorten my driveshaft?
>
> Keith

Hi Keith,

	I did that same conversion at least twice. Each time I had to have the
drive shaft cut and re-welded.

	Find a speed shop that can do it for you and ask them to tell you how
to mesure for the correct length. Ask them to balance the shaft also.
They will probably do it anyway but to be on the same side...

Stephen

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 21:06:25 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?

At 08:38 PM 8/23/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Here is the deal I have a 70 Cutlass that I installed a TH 400 in.  It
>previously had a TH350.  I was told that if I used a TH400 short shaft all I
>would need to do is change the driveshaft yoke.  I did this but I can't seem
>to get the driveshaft in place.  The yoke seems like it may not be sliding all
>the way into the tranny.  The drive shaft has a smaller part that comes out at
>the rear of the driveshaft.  Is this a 2 piece driveshaft? Is this part
>suposed to slide?  Is my yoke not sliding all the way in?  Or do I need to
>shorten my driveshaft?
>

    If the yoke piece that you are trying to slide onto the transmission
shaft is not polished clean..I mean like shiny.. it may not clear the tail
shaft bushing. The yoke piece that slides onto the spline must also fit
through the tail shaft housing bushing (outside diameter of the yoke). If
this is not the case you will feel a bind.  Make sure that the yoke shaft is
clean of rust, scale, etc.



   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:19:39 -0400
From: Stephen Palomba <spalomba@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: See My Diff Code!

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> Yup.
>
> I posted it.
>
> Got a good pic of my code and where it is on the axle.
> As well as some other misc shots.
>
> The link did not publish properly so try;
>
> http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/soylent.html
>
> Patience!
> All the pics take a while to load!
>
> SOM
> &KA

Hey,

	Got any more of those hub caps. They are the ones that came with my 65
Vista Cruiser. I think I have one good one. The other three are damaged
pretty good.

	If not do you know where I could get some?

Stephen

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:17:51 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !

Just watched "That 70s Show".  It wasn't great, it wasn't bad, but it's
about to start a new trend...

The show had two storylines:
1. Going to the Todd Rundgren concert.
2. (The BIGGER story) Getting dads old '69 VISTA CRUISER!  They even
showed how easy it was for 2 people to lay in the back and make out.

Sooooo, Vista Cruisers are going to be the new "in" vehicles!  No more
lowered rice burners with tiny tires!  All the kids are going to want
VCs, so buy 'em now while you can.  Once you've hoarded all the VCs in
your area, advertise and you'll find yourself saying:
"..Yes the Vista Cruiser is a rare car, and you know they're worth a
lot, but since I like you I'll let it go for ~only~ $17,000."

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:24:16 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !

I saw "That 70's Show", and my friends and I decided that we are exactly like
the guys in the show.  We hang out with each other all the time, and I have a
large, old Oldsmobile!

Joe

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:33:52 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....

well....it was a pretty nice show. me and my dad were sellin parts at the swap
(we had the space with the big red chevy pickup with a cap on it). so
anyways......sold around $300 worth of stuff. nothin big but all in all it
wasnt bad.

alot of nice cars there, dad judged the 70-72 442/w-30 class while i watched
the space. ill have pics of the show up later this week along with pics of my
67 convertible which is finally gonna be taken out of my garage and started to
be worked on this wednesday.

coolest car at the show wasnt even in the show...... it was a 66???? tornado
that had the rear trunk section hacked off.......... then the guy extended the
frame with about 12 feet of framing tube. he then built a platform on this and
basically ended up with a flatbed tornado that he was using to pull a 30 style
pickup truck drag car to and from the track. it was very cool looking. pics to
come soon.

so it was a pretty nice show.....i had a good time, and i hope everyone else
there did to.   Late-er

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:03:38 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: Re: Show in Northampton MA

Stefan Gadecki wrote:
>
>   I finally got info!  Show is on Aug. 22 (tomorrow)  Rain date is
> Aug.23.  It's in Northampton,MA.
> Exits:  91 North - exit 19, 91 South - exit 20.  Time 11am to 5pm.
> Free admission
>
>  I'll be there, and I hope I'll see some of you guys.
>
> Stefan
> sgadecki@yahoo.com
> 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
how was the show
wish i could of attended

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:41:19 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: See My Diff Code!

In a message dated 98-08-23 21:18:34 EDT, you write:

<< Got any more of those hub caps. They are the ones that came with my 65
 Vista Cruiser. >>

Dunno if they are exact, but Karl gots 4!

I am going to 15" rims all around, but gonna keep them anyway.

(These caps fit 14" ONLY)

That hubcap page that someone found a month ago had these (with pictures!).

I have seen at awap meets...

Good luck

K

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:50:40 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Restorable 1968 442 for sale!!]

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Got this in the email while I was out of town.  It's an ad for our OCA
Chapter Newsletter.  Since we're in PA and he's in WA I thought it would
be better to post it here.  Doubt any of our members would be willing to
travel.

Paul
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Thanks!!!
 It's a solid and straight body, good glass, (almost NO rust) Colorado
area 2 dr htp. Authentic  "442".
Color is Red / Blk. Factory PS, PB, AC,  Bucket Seats, and Floorshift
Automatic  It runs and shifts smooth but it is totally UNRESTORED!!!
Used but not abused!  Adult owned, 136,000 miles.
No floor pan or trunk pan rust out!!!     Solid foundation for a
restoration project!!!!  Car now in Spokane Washington.     $999.00
Firm.  I also have an extra "straight and solid"  '68 "442" hood for
sale at $200.00     Call 509-456-2048  Pacific Daylight Time
(evenings)      or e-mail me at Impala62SS@Yahoo.com       I can e-mail
you some photos!!!     Remember it's SOLID but it needs restoration in
and out!!!!   Yes,  I have the title!!!!    Thanks,     Curt  B.
Spokane Washington


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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:54:40 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: F heads was Re: W-30 parts

In a message dated 98-08-23 18:59:42 EDT, you write:

<< F-heads>>> $1000 - $1500 >>

I thought "F"s were more common (well, than "H" anyway), or is that price
range for polished, ported, magnafluxed, shot-peened, buffed, groomed and
waxed?
(batteries not included)

Just curious.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:11:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: O4B

>I think you mean OL4B.  I have one on my '71 Cutlass S, 350.  It is an older,
>now discontinued, Edelbrock design.   The "OL" stands for "Oldsmobile" and 
the

OL4B is small block
O4B is big block
It was my understanding that these intakes werent much of a performance
advantage over stock Olds iron intakes, just a heck of alot lighter.


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
J. Bryce Smith
Email: bryceman@442.com
Web: http://442.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:11:28 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '72 442 W31!

Kurt

        Yes I know this car. It is owned by the president of the Eastern
Virginia Olds Club. It is not a W-31 but it was built to the same specs and
has all the W-31 parts in it. It's a nice car but a fake and he does know it.

Jim Chermack



At 06:02 PM 8/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I just got back from a wonderful (and well deserved, if I may say so)
>vacation on the Outer Banks of NC.  It took me a couple of hours to read
>all the mail that built up (thank god I get 10 megs if mail space!).
>
>I didn't take the 442 this year, the SUV holds a lot more - especially
>when taking the dog.  I DID see a lot of Olds while vacationing.  It
>seems as though a lot of the locals have early to mid 80's Delta 88s -
>they're everywhere!  Saw a couple of Toros - mid 70s to 80s.  Also saw a
>'70 Cutlass convertible (tan), '71 Cutlass convertible (brown), and a
>'72 442 W31 convertible (yes, it said W31) that was red with parchment
>interior.  The owner has owned it for 20 years.  Obviously I would never
>go up to a stranger and tell them what was "incorrect" with their car,
>but it seems to me I might have seen this at an CCR show last year.  It
>had VA plates that "1OF1172",  or "1OF1171".  Does anyone know of this
>car?  If so, what's the deal?  Does he really believe it's a W31, or did
>he do that for fun?
>
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>OCA# 30442
>
>*****************************************************
>* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
>*****************************************************
>
>

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:18:03 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !

>The show had two storylines:
>1. Going to the Todd Rundgren concert.
>2. (The BIGGER story) Getting dads old '69 VISTA CRUISER!  They even
>showed how easy it was for 2 people to lay in the back and make out.
>

there is something to this nostalgia thing.

In the '90's we have a show about the '70's with a Olds Vista Cruiser.
In the '80's we had "the wonder years", a show about the '60's where the kid
drove a F-85
In the '70's we had "Happy Days" a show about the '50's where the father
drove
a '88.

Oldsmobile has gotta be  paying someone. :)

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Driving TOPLESS...and not getting caught :)

Hi,
    I finally got to take the 85 out for a spin with the new
motor....AH ,LIFE IS WONDERFUL!!!Still got some minor "tweaking " to
do(like getting rid of 1,000,000,000 wires everywhere)but at least
cruise night is looking like an option for next weekend.
          See ya'll later, and have a good week,



==
John McJunkin
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
frog442's 84-- http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !


_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:47:42 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: BUY VISTA CRUISERS - N O W ! ! !

Yikes, the VC in that show is identical in color to my '72; even the
whitewall
stripes are the same size.  Now it'll get maybe *too much* attention!

Fred Orcutt
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/vc.htm


snip:

>Just watched "That 70s Show".  It wasn't great, it wasn't bad, but it's
>about to start a new trend...
>
>The show had two storylines:
>1. Going to the Todd Rundgren concert.
>2. (The BIGGER story) Getting dads old '69 VISTA CRUISER!  They even
>showed how easy it was for 2 people to lay in the back and make out.
>
>Sooooo, Vista Cruisers are going to be the new "in" vehicles!  No more
>lowered rice burners with tiny tires!  All the kids are going to want

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:09:17 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....

Do any of y'all know when or where there will be a show relatively close
to Roanoke, VA??  I think that this would be the best way to browse for
parts...  and what are the chances of getting decent parts at the
Carlisle Show?  and when is it anyway? I forgot when they have it each
year...

On other tracks, I want to thank all the nice Olds people there are in
the world...

Saturday I went to the post office and when I came out, BT no start.  I
got her to crank once...  and each time I got that far, I would lose all
power.  I checked all the wires, and ignition, and battery connections,
and fuses...  but could find nothing wrong...

Then the guy with the Gold nad black 72 Cutlass pulled up cause he saw
me.  He and I tinkered a bit, and tried to jump start, but to no
avail...  after about five minutes of this, another guy in a beautiful
blue 71 Cutlass SX pulled up.  He got to working with us...  and finally
he jiggled wires while I checked teh dash lights for life, and it turns
out that ther end of the positive batt. cable right at the terminal was
broke...  and every time the wire would get hot, it would bend the cable
just enough to break the connection...

But the point is, we ended up with a three car Olds Show at the Post
Office, and if it hadn't been for the kindness of two Olds Fans, I would
probably have ripped all my hair out trying to figure out what was
wrong...

so thanks to you all for helping each other out when something
happens...

- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- -----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:11:53 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Restorable 1968 442 for sale!!]

wow...  if only I had 2000...  a thousand to get it, and a thousand more
to get back to the east coast with...  hmmm  wonder if my Uncle in
Bremerton would keep it for me...  heheheh

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> Got this in the email while I was out of town.  It's an ad for our OCA
> Chapter Newsletter.  Since we're in PA and he's in WA I thought it would
> be better to post it here.  Doubt any of our members would be willing to
> travel.
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- -----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:05:34 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: O4B

Bryceman wrote:

> OL4B is small block
> O4B is big block
> It was my understanding that these intakes werent much of a performance
> advantage over stock Olds iron intakes, just a heck of alot lighter.

Thanks for the clarification.  I have no idea how they compare to the stock 4
bbl. iron intake.  I used mine to convert from a 2 bbl to a 4 bbl setup.  You
bring up a good question, though.  Are there any aftermarket intakes that, by
themselves, bring a real improvement, or is the real benefit in reduced weight
and a cool namebrand?

Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:23:57 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....

Fall Carlisle is October 1st to the 4th

Randy

>parts...  and what are the chances of getting decent parts at the
>Carlisle Show?  and when is it anyway?

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:27:34 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: F0-F10 Block Lettering for Smallblocks?

Hi,

I've been noticing alot of posts regarding 455 blocks that had a
lettering system ranging from F0 to F10, to describe the nickel content
in the casting and, thus, its strength.  Did a similar scale exist for
smallblocks (I'm thinking specifically of the 350).  If not, how does it
rate in comparison to the other GM smallblocks for strength.  Thanks for
any input.

Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:24:35 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Pistons questions

try a trw L2323F it is a flattop forged 455 replacment you can get from any
parts store.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 6:27 AM
Subject: 455 Pistons questions


>1. I have heard that you can use Ch*vy 396 pistons in Olds 455 correct?
>
>2. I have also heard that you must modify the Olds rods, correct?
>
>3. What mods to rods?
>
>4. I have also heard that you need to cut the domes off the pistons. Why
not
>just buy flat top 396 pistons? Are they not available?
>
>5. Since Ch*vy small block 400 pistons are also 4.125" and commonly flat
>top, why not just use those? (I suspect compressed height difference, but
>unsure)
>
>I have priced flat tops for Olds and they run over $500 (Mondello). There's
>got to be a better (read cheaper) way!
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:44:05 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Show in Northampton MA

i went to the show it was nice but I got there a little late got a couple of
nice oldsmobiles going up on my soon to be created web site
Rich

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:53:38 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Pistons questions

Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> try a trw L2323F it is a flattop forged 455 replacment you can get
> from any  parts store.....kk

What type of compression can you expect outta these??  (I don't know
jack about actual motor parts, yet...  learning for my 87 Foxhunter
455.)
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:10:16 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Hoses

Well, I finally got around to fixing the fuel tank in my '68 Cutlass.
Whenever I fill the tank above 1/2 full, gas literally runs out from the
top of the tank (out of view). When I removed the tank, I found 3 lines,
1 from the top center, which i assume feeds the carb, then 2 more lines
on the right hand corner (looking from rear of car). Both are not
attached to anything. One of the 2 is about 3/8 inch OD, the other is
about 3/4 inch OD. The larger was is broken at the tank, this may have
been my leak?

Should they be attached to anything?
_________________

Nope.  These two lines are both vent lines and simply run up into the rear
axle cavity in the floor pan.  If one was broken at the tank, that would
definitely cause your leak.  Only A-body cars with the 400 or 455 cu in
engines used the fuel return line in 1968, so I suspect your Cutlass did
not use it.  If the car is equipped with fuel return, there will be an
additional line coming out of the sending unit, smaller in diameter than
the main feed line.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:03:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: TH350 convert to TH400 Driveshaft length?

I was told that if I used a TH400 short shaft all I
would need to do is change the driveshaft yoke.  I did this but I can't
seem
to get the driveshaft in place.  The yoke seems like it may not be sliding
all
the way into the tranny.  The drive shaft has a smaller part that comes out
at
the rear of the driveshaft.  Is this a 2 piece driveshaft? Is this part
suposed to slide?  Is my yoke not sliding all the way in?  Or do I need to
shorten my driveshaft?

Keith
_____________

As you've unfortunately found out, Keith, the TH400 is longer than the
TH350.  In addition to the yoke, you will need a shorter driveshaft.  The
"two piece" driveshaft you have is actually the standard AT driveshaft with
rubber isolation between the two concentric tubes.  This is unfortunately
not a desireable performance piece, as you can imagine what might happen to
the rubber, especially if it has deteriorated with age.  A better bet is to
have a driveshaft fabricated for you application which uses a one-piece
tube, or try to find the correct TH400 shaft.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:59:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: O4B

I think you mean OL4B.
_____________

Well, as others have posted, the OL4B was the small block manifold and the
O4B the big block manifold.  There must have been several versions of these
intakes cast, however, as I have one of each and both are configured to
accept the hot air tubes for an integral coil-type choke.  I've seen quite
a few, and none have had the divorced choke setup.  Note that these were
cast in the 60s and 70s, so it's possible that Edelbrock changed the choke
accommodation to match what the factory offered.  I do believe that either
of these will show a slight performance improvement over stock, in addition
to the significantly lower weight.  Both have a taller carb placement and
thus better runner designs.  Unfortunately , as you might guess, the taller
intake precluded the use of a stock O.A.I. breather.  Both are two-plane
designs and I'm told that they are about equivalent to today's Performer
manifolds.  Unfortunately, I don't think an HEI clears the O4B - don't know
about the smaller OL4B.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:51:47 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 15th annual olds car show and swap details....

...  and what are the chances of getting decent parts at the
Carlisle Show?  and when is it anyway? I forgot when they have it each
year..
___________

Fall Carlisle is Oct 1-4 this year, and Hershey is the following weekend.
Both Spring and Summer Carlisle shows this year had a surprisingly large
number of Olds parts offered for sale.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 98 23:18:52 EST
From: aa2250@hotmail.com
Subject: g08

BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:30:57 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Tank Hoses

Tom Starkey wrote:

> then 2 more lines on the right hand corner (looking from rear of car).
> Both are not
> attached to anything. One of the 2 is about 3/8 inch OD, the other is
> about 3/4 inch OD. The larger was is broken at the tank, this may have
> been my leak?
>
> Should they be attached to anything?

_______________________________Tom,

    Those two lines are vent lines, should be connected to a plastic piece
that joins the two.  They mount to the frame pointing straight up.

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:16:05 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 455 Pistons questions

try a trw L2323F it is a flattop forged 455 replacment you can get from any
parts store.....kk
___________

Unfortunately, the L2323F is _not_ a flat top; it has a dish.  This piston
is claimed to yield a 10.5:1 compression ratio with 69-70 cc heads, but
unfortunately Olds heads typically run closer to 80 cc and thus the L2323F
in real life is closer to 9 or 9.5:1.  This sort of compression is actually
not bad for a street-driven motor, but if you're looking for a true 10+:1,
you'll either need to cut the heads or use the Chebby pistons as described.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:40:14 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Hood Pin Stuck

On my 72 442 Conv't the drivers-side hood pin will not release. I tried to
turn it counter-clockwise and the pin will turn but I can't open my hood
because it will not realease.

Anyone else out there ever had this problem, if so, how do I go about
getting it to open? I don't want to break the thing....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 04:27:37 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Salem Va car show (of sorts)

> Do any of y'all know when or where there will be a show relatively close
> to Roanoke, VA??  I think that this would be the best way to browse for
> parts...  and what are the chances of getting decent parts at the
> Carlisle Show?  and when is it anyway? I forgot when they have it each
> year...

  There is one very good gathering of vintage, classic cars in Salem
Va every Saturday night (weather permitting) in the parking lot
beside Fast Freddies, west Main street across from Burger King.Tehy
usually start coming in around 5PM or so. This past Saturday night (the 22nd),
 there was one beautiful gold 68 or 69
442 in the show. I would have given various body parts in trade for
this beautiful automobile. Cars come from a tri-state area (VA, NC,
WV) on chosen weekends to show their cars. No parts vendors there,
just gorgeous cars and really good company.  All those within driving
distance should come on out and have some fun and fellowship. There
needs to be more Olds represented there...!!!


Mike
Ironto VA
'86 442
'86 Supreme
'71 Monte

       "Still crazy.......after all these years......"

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:41:55 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: I was afraid to get out of bed

As I mentioned earlier, son Greg crashed the neon on Friday.  He was OK, same
can't be said for the car.  On Saturday I was on my way to Chris Smetana's in
my Olds to go with him to retrieve his Olds from the tranny shop.  I got about
halfway there when the Olds starts running out of fuel.  The tank was full,
but the car started stumbling.  I pulled over on the nice wide shoulder and
finished my egg McMuffin before I got out to check the car.  When I did look
under the hood I found a broken fuel pump.  I do mean broken, the flange part
that bolts to the engine was still where it should be, but the other half with
the pump diaphragm was slightly loose.  The @&&#$ Holley mechanical pump
casting had broken in two where the roll pin goes through for the inner arm to
pivot.  I had never seen a broken pump body before.  Walked back to a phone
about two miles away to call the wife.  Went home, got the trailer, came back
and loaded the car.  I was able to pump fuel into the carb by moving the pump
by hand.  Had to do that twice to get it in the trailer.  Yesterday I got out
the old Holley pump I used to have on the car and made one pump out of the
parts of the two.  When I replaced the first pump two years ago the top half
of the housing broke while tightening the outlet fitting.  At that time I
ended up using my old top half and swapped out the old check valves for the
new ones.  Now the new bottom has broken and I am using the old bottom as
well.  These leaves the newer check valves inside the old pump, which is what
I wanted to do in the first place instead of buying a complete pump.
Apparently the newer casting is not up to par with the 14 year old casting.
The Olds is running and we are back to having two driveable vehicles as of
this morning.  Oh yes, the lawnmower engine died yesterday!

Dave (if I had a horse, it would die) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:48:47 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE:

Thanks Greg

MajorDummy sure does have a lot of words he doesn't like lately. BTY do you
have a list you could post.

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Greg Beaulieu [SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
	Sent:	Thursday, August 20, 1998 5:14 PM
	To:	Oldsmobile
	Subject:	

	The "fr*e" word bounced it; forwarding. I think it only bounces when
that
	word is in the subject line but I edited all references. A new
addition
	to majordomo, probably not for the better.

	Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
Canada

	---------- Forwarded message ----------
	From:	"Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
	Subject: Racing Equipment Fr*e Catalog

	A friend of mine is rebuilding his C*hev and has been ordering parts
from a
	company that he has been real pleased with. I through I would pass
it along
	to the list. I have never ordered from them myself. Maybe some of
you know
	them. It is:

	BARNETT Performance
	465 Memorial Drive SE
	Atlanta, GA. 30312
	1-800-533-1320 Order Line
	404-522-1320 Tech Line
	404-420-1572 Fax

	They carry most major manufacturers performance equipment and offer
machine
	shop service also. Best of all they offer most parts at  "Fr*e
Freight". My
	friend ordered 2 cams from them before he made up his mind which one
he
	wanted and they paid to have both of them sent back. They offer a
fr*e
	catalog also.

	Bobby

	70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 98 08:01:35 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: OCA Event Listing (Kind of long)

OCA National Calendar of Events
- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SEPTEMBER - 1998
==============================================================================
September 13 - ALL OLDSMOBILE FUN CAR SHOW & SWAP MEET
Hosted by the Archway Chapter. At the Heart of St. Charles Banquet Center, St.
Charles, MO. Hwy. 70 & 5th @ the Missouri River. All years welcome and any
condition. Registration, $10 day of show. Swap meet - $15. For more info: Randy
Masnica, 1447 Prospect Lakes Dr., Wentzville, MO 63385 Ph:(314)332-9313 or John
Palmberger, 11366 Birmingham Ct., St. Louis, MO 63138, Ph:(314) 355-4864.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
September 13 - CAPITOL CITY ROCKETS 10TH ANNUAL ALL-OLDSMOBILE SHOW
Hosted by Capitol City Rockets. At Templeton Oldsmobile, 8598 Leesburg Pike 
(Rt
7), Vienna, VA 22182. Come out and help CCR celebrate 10 great years! Prepare
for a day of music, food, fun, and Oldsmobiles. Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked 
before
9/4/98, $12 day of show. Registration includes dash plaque, event T-shirt,
goodie bag, and door prize ticket. Please make payment to "Capitol City
Rockets". Send registration to : Brent & Ray, Attn:CCR Fall Show, 1926 Leonard
Road, Falls Church, VA 22043. Info: Brent(703)761-0297 or Ray(703)360-2955. 
More
details as show date approaches.
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September 18-19 - 19th ANNUAL QUAD STATES MEET
Wisconsin Dells, WI. OCA Judging/Expanded Classes from 16 to 20. White Elephant
Auction (donations appreciated). Holiday Inn, Wisconsin Dells, 1-800-54DELLS.
For more info: Tom Joyce (414) 886-9806.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
September 19 - 2nd ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club. At The Big M Restaurant/ Bel Air
Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between Bel Air &
Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95). All years and condition Oldsmobiles
welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free goodie bag to first 50
Oldsmobiles through the gate. Open to the public. Other vehicles welcome to
cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 drawing. FREE! For more info contact:
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370 or Brad Nicholson at (410) 256-0381 or email:
brad442@erols.com. Web Site: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
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September 20 - BLUE/GRAY CHAPTER 13th ANNUAL FALL MEET.
Hosted by the Blue/Gray Chapter. At E.O. Miller Chevrolet-Oldsmobile, 515 East
Chocolate Ave. (US Rt. 422), Hershey, PA 17033. Pre-registration by Sept 12 is
$8. Day of show registration from 9am-12noon is $10. Trophies and door prizes
awarded at 3pm. For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr., Hummelstown, PA 
17036.
Ph: (717) 566-3697.
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September 20 - ANNUAL AVERY GREENE MOTORS CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Northern California Oldsmobile Chapter. At 800 Admiral Callaghan
Lane, Vallejo, CA (at Interstate 80 & the Redwood Street Exit) Sponsored by OCA
memebr Avery Greene, There will be a BBQ on site and free admission to
spectators. Ph: (707) 553-1100 for more information.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
September 20 - 12th ANNUAL CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Mid-Ohio Chapter. At the Anderson's General Store, Route 161 at
Sawmill Rd., Columbus, OH. Registration from 8:30am-11:30am. Pre registration 
by
Sept 13 is $10.00, $12 day of show. Trophies awarded at 4:00pm. For more info:
Gary Scheider at (614) 890-7476 or mail to Mid-Ohio Chapter, 1748 Hightower 
Dr.,
Columbus, OH 43235.


OCTOBER - 1998
=============================================================================
October 3 - Cruzin VIII in 98.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Chapter at Uftring Oldsmobile, 1860 Washington
Rd., Washington, IL 61517 (near Peoria). Fun show - participant judging. Fire
extinguisher required. 14 classes, 3 awards per class and Dealer's Choice.
8am-3pm. Pre-registration by September 25, $8.00 per car or $12 day of show
payable to IVOC. For more info: Dick Yech, 929 Ainsley Dr., West Chicago, IL
60185. Ph: (630) 231-0066.

JUNE - 1999
=============================================================================
June 21-27 - OCA 1999 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the North Texas Oldsmobile Club Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of
America Contact the club for the latest information on time, dates, and
location. North Texas Olds Club, P.O. Box 38524, Dallas, Texas 75238


2000
=============================================================================
Summer - OCA 2000 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the Rallye 350 Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of America. Somerset,
New Jersey

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*
Please double check with hosting club prior to the event to see if there are 
any
changes, such as cancellation due to weather.

THIS LISTING is limited to events hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of America and
it's officially recognized chapters. In order to use this listing a chapter 
must
be in current compliance with OCA bylaws. Event submissions should be sent at
least 60 days prior to the event to: OCA Events, PO Box 80318, Lansing, MI
48908. Event listings must be typed and may be FAXED to: (517) 663-1820. They
can also be e-mailed to the WebGuy@oldsclub.org. Please note: the deadline for
an event to be published in "Journey with Olds" is the first of the month prior
to when the magazine is published (ie; event listing recieved by January 1 will
be in the published in the February issue of "Journey with Olds".) An event
listing will continue to be published through the month of the event.
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*

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| | | Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy@oldsclub.org)
| | | OCA #18984
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | President - Oldsmobile Centennial Club (MD)
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H: brad442@erols.com
W: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
OCA Web Site: http://www.oldsclub.org
OCC Web Site: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ

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