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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 9 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1415



Re: Olds News
hp question
Interested in a 1980 Cutlass  Supreme 2dr with about 60k on it and some body
damage? How do I degree cam in an installed engine? Re: hp question Re: 
Splifire
Lawsuit Re: Slow convertible top 87 442 Re: hp question Re: Olds News Delta
Water Leaks (was: Olds News) Re: 115 octane gas - expensive Re: 87 442 Re: 
humor
(non olds) / question / olds in mov '71 Supreme Eludes Me! Re: 115 octane gas -
expensive 400 G 68-69 2nd gen Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was
the ( ! ) thing RE: 87 442 saw another one tonight Re: 115 Octane Gas Re: saw
another one tonight Re: Splifire Lawsuit Re: saw another one tonight Re: saw
another one tonight Date:	Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:02:48 Re: 87 442 Re: 87 
442 Re:
Delta Water Leaks (was: Olds News) Need headlight buckets reconditioned for '68
Cutlass Blowing my fuse and losing my lights Re: Olds News Re: old-motor to
turbo-hydromatic converter Re: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news) Re: Trust me, 
I
am insane! was I've got to be crazy Re: Need headlight buckets reconditioned 
for
'68 Cutlass Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing Re:
Blowing my fuse and losing my lights Re: Far to many messages...can't keep
up...help!!! Re: Olds News Re: saw another one tonight Re: How do I degree cam
in an installed engine? 68 Delmont Value? VISTA CRUISER REAR WINDOW NEEDED re:
Im nuts...

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:23:01 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Olds News

dont know but I add 2+2 and I get 3 1/2 just like always!!!!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Olds News


>2+2=5.  A conundrum wrapped in a mystery.  Philosophers have passed
hundreds
>of hours contemplating and debating this very hismotality while cruising
>Pleasant Hill Road in their 98 convertibles.  Most, the sagest in the
group,
>agree that it don't mean squat.  The position of the remaining savants is
>that it's a trap.  Peter
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:42:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: hp question

Somebody in a previous post mentioned the old way of reckoning horsepower
vs. the new.  This brings up a question from me... can anybody tell me
basically what the difference is between the two types... and how to on
the average convert from one to the other.  Just not the mathematical type
I guess ;-)

Thanks...

    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     work:  GQPR12E@Prodigy.com
 |  |  |
 | / \ |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 |/   \|
  \   /      1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
   \ /          (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
		(215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:58:16 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Interested in a 1980 Cutlass  Supreme 2dr with about 60k on it and 
some
body damage?

Well, here's the deal.  My grandmother had a wreck recently where
someone hit her in the rear passenger quarter.  I don't know what she is
going to do with the car, if insurance gets it, she will trade it in or
what.  BUT, it is the original little lady driven car that has been
garaged and to my knowledge has absolutely no rust on it.  She bought it
new if my memory is correct and is probably on its second set of tires.
I haven't seen the car in a year or so, but I do know it has a V8 and
A/T (floor shift I think, but don't hold me to this), A/C, Power and a
vinyl top.  Colors are a soft yellow or beige (again I just can't
remember) exterior with a medium vinyl top and tan interior (cloth I
think).  Car has the factory mag wheels that came with it originally.
Other than the wreck she just had, I don't remember a scratch anywhere
on the car.  If the car is totalled,

1.  What would she reasonably expect to receive for it
2.  Would anyone on the list be interested in it.

I can probably get it if some one is interested.  It is drivable and I
could get it repaired locally if that is of interest to anyone.  I don't
have a clue as to the desirability of the car amongst the list.  I will
say this though, if she decides to sell it, the car should be spotless
other than the recent damage.  Anyone that would like more info please
email me direct.  As I say I don't know if anyone would be interested or
not, but I just thought I would let list know before she does anything.
FWIW, she just recently sold my grandfather's 69 Ford pickup with 34,000
miles on it, a move that I really regret her doing.  But then she didn't
ask me.  :(

The car is located here in central Kentucky.  And the mileage may be
less that 60k, but that is what my mother thinks is on it.  Anyone that
is interested I can get a more exact number for.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:02:07 EDT
From: <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
Subject: How do I degree cam in an installed engine?

How can I check if my crank shaft to camshaft timing is correct w/o tearing
apart the engine?
I thought about taking off a valve cover on my 69 350 and checking the timing
when my intake valve opens an closes but I have no idea when this should be.

The long story is below.

I installed a cloyes timing chain and I am trying to figure out if my car
would start if I installed the crank gear on the wong keyway, for example if I
used the 4 degree advance keyway but lined the timing chain up with the 0
degree mark.

I installed a crank gear with with 3 keyways,
 - one plain keyway
 - one keyway with triangular grove
 - one keyway with simicircular grove.  ( I used this one on my car)

The drive gear with the keyways had 3 timing marks:
 - a circle  ( I line the circle up with the timing chain gear mark)
 - a square
 - a triangle

I bought the timing chain from Mondellos but received no instructions.

Per phone converation with Mondello, to have o degree advance I was supposed
to:
- - Turn the engine to top dead center (on my car the keyway on the crank was 
at
2 o'clock).
- - Line the circle timing mark on the top of the crank gear up with the dot on
the bottom of the timing chain gear ( on my car this requires using the keyway
with the simicircular groove).

After putting the car together it wouldn't start.  After checking compression
I discovered that my timing distributor was installed 180 degrees out,  I
would have sworn I had it right the first time but I didn't.  After flipping
the the distrubutor I was able to start the car but I am getting backfires at
starting and during acceleration.

The timing seems to be OK at 8 degrees, the carburator is a worn two barrel
that was giving me some problems but not this bad.   Is it possible that I
ruined my acclerator pump and the engine is running this bad?



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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 22:07:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: hp question

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> Somebody in a previous post mentioned the old way of reckoning horsepower
> vs. the new.  This brings up a question from me... can anybody tell me
> basically what the difference is between the two types...

Can't help a lot, but not much traffic on the list so I'll waste some
BW.  Seems to me I remember someone saying that the old horsepower days
(1970 and prior) it was rated at the back of the motor at the flywheel
or something like that and after 1970 it was at the rear wheels.  That
is probably totally incorrect, but at least I tried.

How's things going down in Tenn (I think)?  Have you ever done any
junking down around White Pine, Tn?  I seem to remember a couple of
decent 'old car' salvage places down that way several years ago.  Used
to have the number and address for one I was particularly impressed with
that had a BUNCH of cars, but sadly the paper I had it written on became
so much paper wad when my wallet went through the wash unexpectedly a
few years ago.  Boy was I p.o.ed.  I also lost some other phone numbers,
addresses, and cash receipts I was to get reimbursed on.  Only time I
have ever done that and I don't care to again.  At least my life savings
of 5 or 6 one dollar bills were clean when I took them out to dry.

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:08:27 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Splifire Lawsuit

A class action suit was filed somewhere in the south (maybe Louisiana) that
contended that the claims by Splifire were false.  These claims included "a
5% horsepower increase" I think.  Nevertheless, Splitfire lost and as a
result, anyone buying their products in a certain time window are eligible
for a coupon for discounted Splitfire products.

- ----------
> From: BuchD@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Splifire Lawsuit
> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:08 PM
>
> What as the splitfire lawsuit about?
> Thanks,
> Deb

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:13:40 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Slow convertible top

Fllynt,

The slowness of a closing top can be caused by a leak - check under the rear
seat/interior quarter panels where the cylinders are located and at the pump
under the top well, damaged cylinders - check the chromed rods on the
cylinders for rust or heavy scratches, a damaged power top motor - this can
be removed and checked at an electrical shop or possibly while still
installed by checking resistance in the winding, or finally by a low fluid
level in the tank located with the motor - remove filler cap and check
level.  The most likely is the low fluid level in the tank.  Fill with ATF
if that is what is in there now.  Purge and change to ATF if brake fluid is
what you currently have in there.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>List members,
> The convertible top on my 1969 442 is slow to close.  At times, I have
>to help the top to close.  What should I check? How can I determine if
>the power top motor needs to be rebuilt? The top has been slow for a
>long time and is not getting worse.  I have not seen any fluid leaks.
>The slow top is starting to bother me.
>  Any suggestions?
>
>Flynt Myrick

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: 87 442

     My friend brought his 'new' 87 442 over today. Neat car, 47K,
black, no t-tops, manual windows/locks, shiny paint, good chrome on
the wheels and in good shape overall. Price? $4900! Seemed like a deal.
     He had some questions I could not answer...my Oldsmo-knowledge
tapers off abruptly after the 1972 model year!

1. What gear ratio was factory installed?
2. Is the rear housing the 8.5"?
3. What is different about the 442 307 VS the 'regular' 307?

About the tag line:

<JJP442@aol.com> wrote:
What does that 2+2=5 thing mean???

Well, in an imperfect world quantities may not be in whole numbers,
for example 2.5 + 2.6 would equal 5.1, or about 5!
:)




==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:25:46 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: hp question

In a message dated 8/8/98 7:04:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:

<< > Somebody in a previous post mentioned the old way of reckoning horsepower
 > vs. the new.  This brings up a question from me... can anybody tell me
 > basically what the difference is between the two types...

 Can't help a lot, but not much traffic on the list so I'll waste some
 BW.  Seems to me I remember someone saying that the old horsepower days
 (1970 and prior) it was rated at the back of the motor at the flywheel
 or something like that and after 1970 it was at the rear wheels.  That
 is probably totally incorrect, but at least I tried.   >>


Ok, here goes. 1972 they started measuring HP and Torque at the drive
wheels(?) with all accesories running. Prior to then, I would assume it was at
the crank, no accesories. On an average, with the HP ratings we are usually
dealing with here (185+ I hope!) you can add about 75 HP to the post '71
ratings. remember torque also increases, putting the 403 well past 330 ft lbs
of torque.
     The problem is, how are all the aftermarket companies, and computer
programs figuring HP now? They never say net or SAE. Go figure. Don't forget
that the time period of the change was about the time the EPA REALLY started
clamping down for emissions. So engine power also started to decrease due to
that.  Dorian

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:36:13 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Olds News

Obviously the wrong twos.  Peter
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Olds News


>dont know but I add 2+2 and I get 3 1/2 just like always!!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 5:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Olds News
>
>
>>2+2=5.  A conundrum wrapped in a mystery.  Philosophers have passed
>hundreds
>>of hours contemplating and debating this very hismotality while cruising
>>Pleasant Hill Road in their 98 convertibles.  Most, the sagest in the
>group,
>>agree that it don't mean squat.  The position of the remaining savants is
>>that it's a trap.  Peter
>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:51:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Delta Water Leaks (was: Olds News)

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, John Pajak wrote:
>      He has water leakage into the passenger floorboard. The glass
> shop has verified the windshield is sealing correctly.
> I remember someone else (Greg B?) had this problem before and the fix
> was in the heater/AC box area but I forgot the specifics.

Yep... though he should still check the windshield trim clips for leaks
too, even though the glass seal may be OK. As for the heater box leaks,
there are a couple of potential sources. This only applies to non A/C
cars, can't speak to ones with A/C. There is a seam in the bottom of the
heater box that is supposed to be sealed but may be a source of leaks.
You can get to it by removing the cowl screen and work some silicone into
the seam. However, I did this and still had a leak.

Unless my heater is missing something that is supposed to prevent this,
any water that somehow evades the trough inside the heater box that is
supposed to channel it into the drain holes will run into the car and end
up on the floor. The reason is that the floor of the heater box in the
area where the temp control cable goes thru is depressed and will let
water in. I gobbed some more silicone into the depression and so far it
seems to have cured it, though we haven't had any long rainy periods here
lately. But at least it passes the car wash test now.

I'm unimpressed with the heater design on these. Aside from the water
problem, there is no way to stop airflow into the car. You can have it in
"vent", which lets air thru via the center floor outlet unheated, or in
heat, which lets you heat the output from the same outlet, or defrost.
Would be nice to be able to shut the thing off entirely but you can't.
Plus the dash vents are not fan-forced, which seems a little retrograde.
Guess they expected everyone to buy A/C.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:13:39 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 115 octane gas - expensive

Clayton Pierce wrote:

> re: the expense of high octane gas
>
> I don't know about in your area but around here... I can get small
> airplane fuel from the local backwoods airport (low-lead 105+ octane I
> think) for in the neighborhood of 1.30 to 1.50 / gallon.  I don't run it

I have tried to get this stuff however California prohibits the sale of this
fuel to people with cars.

Oh well...

Chris

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:29:45 EDT
From: <Z28442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442

1 373 gears
2 yes 8.5 rear
3 190&160 hp

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:32:29 EDT
From: <Z28442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

LOL

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:33:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '71 Supreme Eludes Me!

Had planned to go look at this car this morning, advertised at $5K.
Called, it sold last night for $4300. Sounded like a nice one for these
parts: never winter driven, rust free, same owner for 25 years, buckets,
console, duals, sport mirrors, red with white interior.

Ah well, it just means I'm less in debt now than I would have been had I
seen it... had a feeling I might have had to buy it. Unmolested, solid
cars like this are rare and I doubt I could have passed it up. Could have
been mine for $4500 if only he had waited an extra day.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:31:51 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 115 octane gas - expensive

take a gas can and tell em' its for an ultralite with a rotax they'll sell
it to ya they just cant put it in the car...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: 115 octane gas - expensive


>Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
>> re: the expense of high octane gas
>>
>> I don't know about in your area but around here... I can get small
>> airplane fuel from the local backwoods airport (low-lead 105+ octane I
>> think) for in the neighborhood of 1.30 to 1.50 / gallon.  I don't run it
>
>I have tried to get this stuff however California prohibits the sale of
this
>fuel to people with cars.
>
>Oh well...
>
>Chris
>

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:39:01 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: 400 G 68-69 2nd gen

just took apart the engine out of my 442 the previous owner raced the thing
hard and spun the #3 main bearing now the block may not be salvagable but
will try.

second thing saw a 68 442 sitting in a junkyard in richmond california
the whole car is for sale no parts has rally pack was four speed car with
console and buckets has auto with b&m shifter sway bar and boxed lowers the
front control arms are painted red and are not rebuilt
the brake drums were painted semi gloss black well anyway the car is for
sale for $1500.00 anyone interested call 510-232-0199 ask for ed
ps same yard also has 70 sx and cs

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:30:49 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing

Here's a question for you.  Why does my '67 Toro not start right away?
It acts as though it perhaps floods when I first start it...  almost
like a vapor lock too...  weird...  could the gap on the plugs do this?
Or maybe too small a batt?  or even the idle set too high???  I am not
sure what to doto fix this...

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> With my (unfotunately) new (read remanufactured) starter and 1000 CCA Die
> Hard, Soylent fires up right away. Except for slight vapor lock when hot.
>
> She ALWAYS starts, quickly, just 5-10 secs longer hot.
> (((When the battery is good,and I have the right starter and...)))
> <sigh>
>
> SOM
> &KA

- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327

http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.
Salem, VA

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and
corruption is a sin, so if you seek knowledge,
you will burn in hell. . ."

- ------------------Carpe Noctum------------------

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:20:28 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: RE: 87 442

I hope this helps:

	1) The factory gears in the 442 were 3.73:1. Great with the factory 
THM-200
4R tranny.

	2)Yes, as far as I know all G-body 442 and Hurst/Olds came with the 8.5
rear. Also I think that GN's came with them too. Not really sure there.

	3)The motor used in the 442 and H/O (G-bodies) were high output 
versions of
the 307. They included stiffer valve springs, longer duration cam
and........darn!!! I cant remember right now. Uhh, guys??? I CAN tell you
that there are two versions of the VIN 9 motor. Up to 85 1/2 they came with
hydraulic cams (5A heads) and 86-87 came with roller cams (7A heads AKA:
dinky heads).

Hope this helps you.

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442-----> 307 H.O. (5A), TH-350 (not my fault,previous owner), 3.73
rear......Ooooh, T-tops !!!!


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Pajak
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 1998 10:13 PM
To: oldslist
Subject: 87 442


>1. What gear ratio was factory installed?
>2. Is the rear housing the 8.5"?
>3. What is different about the 442 307 VS the >'regular' 307?

About the tag line:

<JJP442@aol.com> wrote:
What does that 2+2=5 thing mean???

Well, in an imperfect world quantities may not be in whole numbers,
for example 2.5 + 2.6 would equal 5.1, or about 5!
:)




==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:58:30 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: saw another one tonight

Have you ever noticed how when you buy a car, you see others of the same
make and model everywhere, even if you never noticed them before you
bought yours??  Happens with every car I ahve ever owned.

I thought I would never see a Toronado here at home after I bought
mine...  After I first saw one in 1990 or so, I never saw another one
till I bought mine a couple weeks ago.

Then tonight, I was cruising the town, and took a road I never take...
and what should I happent o pass in the opposite direction??

a beautiful 1967 Toronado.  Even in the same colors as mine...
coincidence?  or evidence of a higher power smiling on a new Olds
lover???
- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327

http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.
Salem, VA

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and
corruption is a sin, so if you seek knowledge,
you will burn in hell. . ."

- ------------------Carpe Noctum------------------

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:16:55 EDT
From: <CS81w350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

It is not a good idea to mix the 85% ethanol with more gas.  As I recall from
my old chemistry teacher, you can mix up to about 15% ethanol (grain alcohol)
with gasoline. Or the other way you can mix up to about 15% gasoline with
ethanol.  Anything in between and they won't mix completely.  btw many if not
all Iowa government vehicles run on this E85.  Ethanol is made from corn, but
I haven't got a clue why we Iowans would want to support that industry ;)
From what I've read all you have to do is richen up the carb a bit and you can
run the E85 in any car, however, there are still possible problems with it
being hard on rubber parts in the fuel systems of older cars.  I have also
heard problems with suddenly swithing to the 10% ethanol blend.  I believe it
tends to suddenly clean out the whole fuel system which can clog up fuel
filters and such.  I wouldn't call myself a complete expert in the area, just
trying to pass along a few things I know or have read.

Oh and I almost forgot.  I have run 10% ethanol almost exclusively in my '81
cutlass which, until recently, was my daily driver for 9 years and I have no
complaints.  With the fuel anyway.

Matt Pokorny
Ames, Iowa (still the "tall corn state")
cs81w350@aol.com
81 cutlass 350olds
88 chevy truck

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:39:42 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: saw another one tonight

Jeffrey lane wrote:
>
> Have you ever noticed how when you buy a car, you see others of the same
> make and model everywhere, even if you never noticed them before you
> bought yours??  Happens with every car I ahve ever owned.
>
> I thought I would never see a Toronado here at home after I bought
> mine...  After I first saw one in 1990 or so, I never saw another one
> till I bought mine a couple weeks ago.
>
> Then tonight, I was cruising the town, and took a road I never take...
> and what should I happent o pass in the opposite direction??
>
> a beautiful 1967 Toronado.  Even in the same colors as mine...
> coincidence?  or evidence of a higher power smiling on a new Olds
> lover???

Yeah, seems that happened to me, too. As soon as I started to drive my
73, I'd see all kinds of old Cutlasses. They were probably there before,
I just never noticed them. And, to think my first car was almost a
B*retta GT!!!!! Aaahh!!! Sure am glad I don't have a "me too" car!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:10:14 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Splifire Lawsuit

let me know too!!!!!!!!!!! w31sleeper@aol.com
rob

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 04:18:32 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: saw another one tonight

Yep...  And I thought I was the only person in this area with a classic
Toro...

And i know about the car...  my other car is a 92 Saturn...  Everyone
has one of those.  It is nice standing out in a crowd...  and drawing
looks as you drive by from people who think "wow...  what kind of car is
that" or "Man, I havent seen one of those in years!"

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Yeah, seems that happened to me, too. As soon as I started to drive my
> 73, I'd see all kinds of old Cutlasses. They were probably there before,
> I just never noticed them. And, to think my first car was almost a
> B*retta GT!!!!! Aaahh!!! Sure am glad I don't have a "me too" car!
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>          777777 33333
>             77      33
> Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
>           77        33
>          77     33333
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************

- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327

http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.
Salem, VA

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and
corruption is a sin, so if you seek knowledge,
you will burn in hell. . ."

- ------------------Carpe Noctum------------------

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 02:57:45 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: saw another one tonight

> > Have you ever noticed how when you buy a car, you see others of the same
> > make and model everywhere, even if you never noticed them before you
> > bought yours??  Happens with every car I ahve ever owned.

Ooh, gotta add my .02, me too, and one-upmanship here.  Nearing HS graduation, 
I
~knew~ the car I wanted to get was an '81 Cutlass Supreme, Brougham if
available, but not necessary.  Had to be '81, cuz I loved the body style, and
being the oldest of 'em, would be the most (only?) affordable one.  A close
friend had one several years earlier, and totalled it (bad bad story) and but I
thought it was a really cool car, regardless.  Only saw about two between then
and graduation.  (One was her sister's 86, the other was a Canadian one passing
through fairly often.  With running boards!  Honest!)  So, come graduation 
time,
I searched long and hard for my 81 Cutlass.  Found one in Williston ('bout 130
miles from home)  Drove it.  Was rather thrilled to ~finally~ drive one, but
wasn't that impressed with it.  Seemed kinda beat.  Noted it's location, and
moved on.  (Still do ~that~!) Went down to Dickinson (250 miles from home)  Saw
another one, two tone Jadestone, knew right away, that was the one.  Got in, 
ooh
so cool (to a fresh graduate - bare bones, but still!  Loaded compared to my
Mom's car!)  Test drove it.  Permagrin.  Gutlass 260, but ~still~ loaded and
hotrod compared to my mom's car...  Got back to the dealer, did the
negotiations, and drove it home...  Ford dealer.  Said they couldn't keep those
cars on the lot.  The just got it the night before; sat on their lot for less
than 8 hours.  Sat on ~my~ lot for 9 years+ so far...  Thus became the Rockit,
eventually.

So, with the backgound info in mind, back to the subject at hand.  In ~all~ my
highschool years, there was only ~one~ Cutlass in the school (or driven by a
student, if you will)  That was crashed very soon after arrival :(  6 years,
only one Cutlass.  Then I graduate, and get one.  Three ~hours~ after signing
the paperwork, and several hundred miles away, one of my classmates picked up 
an
'85.  Next day ~another~ classmate got an '84.  Three days later, an
underclassman brought home an '83.  Within a week, a girl that graduated the
year before snatched up a black '83.  Lots of Olds's all of a sudden.  Doesn't
seem that big to you?  Consider this: There were 24 people in my graduating
class, roughly 250 in K-12!  In a two week period, five or six Cutlass's
suddenly called Scobey "home."  Mine was the ~first!~  AND, to my knowledge, 
the
~only~ one still being driven.  Most of 'em got traded off since then.  One or
two I'm not sure of.  Never been much of a trendsetter...  Till then! :)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:25:18 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442

I'm not a tech head about 442s but I'll try.
>1,gear ratio... stamped on front of the passenger side axle tube

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:32:35 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442

opps sent the reply on accident.I'll finish
>2.housing...7.5 has squareish cover,8.5 should have a horizontal protrusion
in the center.looks like 70s 10 bolt.

>3...307y...the 307 with Ycode was the standard output engine.the 307 with the
9 code was high output with rolller cam.

Hope this helps you out.
IF I AM WRONG SOMEBODY TELL ME .ITS THE ONLY WAY TO LEARN.
KWhite5590@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:35:07 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Delta Water Leaks (was: Olds News)

In response to the water leak.I also have that problem with an A/C equipped
car.

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:19:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Need headlight buckets reconditioned for '68 Cutlass

Need to have my headlight buckets reconditioned to new condition. Any
suggestions to who or where I can have it done??

I apologize in advance if I've overlooked a FAQ somewhere.

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:52:53 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights

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Sure enough ... no tail lights ... not brake lights ... still got the =
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=20
So I drive it home with the blinker on ... at least I can be seen.
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I have rewired tail llights and they worked for a month or so ...
now back to base one.

I'm thinking about a rocker switch for the tailights ... just isolate =
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whole system ... but ... I'd rather fix the problem the right way.
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Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:15:27 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Olds News

>     He has water leakage into the passenger floorboard. The glass
>shop has verified the windshield is sealing correctly.


Heater core is a common culprit for this.

drc

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:20:18 -0500
From: eliminst <eliminst@dmrtc.net>
Subject: Re: old-motor to turbo-hydromatic converter

Please unsubscribe toasty@dmrtc.net from this list please :)  thanx



At 10:52 PM 8/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Listmembers,
>
>I just got a new copy of Dave Smith Engineering's catalog, and it lists this
>kit:
>
>DS7080 TRANS CONVERSION
>
>Convert your 1949-1964 Olds 303, 324, 371, or 394 to an up-to-date
Powerglide,
>T350, T400 or 700R4 Transmission.
>
>Conversion kit includes all adapters, modified case, bolts and fasteners.
>
>Customer must supply transmission case and flywheel.
>
>Only $550.00
>
>Dave Smith Engineering
>Performance Components For Oldsmobile
>P.O.Box 607
>Corona, CA 91718-0607
>Phone: (909) 371-7040 Fax: (909) 371-7012
>
>I don't know any more about this kit, this is what Karen sent me with my
order
>and catalog.  Call Karen or Dave, I'm sure they can give you much more
>information.
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:20:51 -0500
From: eliminst <eliminst@dmrtc.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

Please unsubscribe toasty@dmrtc.net from this list please :)  thanx

At 07:33 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/6/98, 6:36:20 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
><< Jeez, Joe, I'm surprised thats not my engine.  That was a fairly
>comprehensive job done on you.  Most junk ends up here, in my garage.  My
>wife and daughter will testify to this, if it becomes neccessary.  "What do
>you mean you're getting another one?  You haven't finished the last one".
> Peter
>>>
>Peter, did you and I marry the same woman? That or you and I are leading
>identical lifes in different parts of the contry. Glad to hear that I am not
>the only person afflicted with the Olds collection syndrom. Chris
>

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:27:26 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Trust me, I am insane! was I've got to be crazy

>You may recall a long posting featuring me tearing out my hair because my
>battery leaked from the bottom until not enough charge to start the car.
>
>I fear that even a slight base size difference will place undue stress on
the
>bottom of the battery.
>

...."Paranoia strikes deep...into your hearts it will creep..."

If the battery won't fit the tray, get a bigger tray. Actually, today's
batteries are more powerful per cubic inch than they were in the old days.
The biggest one you can fit in your stock tray should be more than adequate
except for extreme cases. Make sure you have a hold-down, 'cuz vibration
could abrade a hole in the case and make a nasty mess.

drc

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 04:19:24 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Need headlight buckets reconditioned for '68 Cutlass

Christopher Casteel wrote:

> Need to have my headlight buckets reconditioned to new condition. Any
> suggestions to who or where I can have it done??

Are you talking about the gray plastic headlight housings?  I just went
to a body shop and had these filled and repainted (No cracks
originally).

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:41:40 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing

  '67 Toro doesn't start right away?  Sounds like flooding or vapor lock -
different ends of the spectrum.  Your car came with a Rochester Bogmaster
4bbl.  Perhaps the fuel wells are leaking down, demanding much cranking to
introduce enough gas to cover the jets.  Then it would run a little cobby
for a few seconds until the fuel level in the carb rises to the neccessary
level to make a good mixture.  Does choke set/open properly?  Does pull-off
work?  If you feel that fuel is the culprit, look at these things.  Peter.

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 06:26:57 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights

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gotta be a short or a poor ground causing a strain on the fuse check the =
tail and dash harness...kk
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    To: oldsmobile bb <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 5:46 AM
    Subject: Blowing my fuse and losing my lights
   =20
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    So I drive it home with the blinker on ... at least I can be seen.
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    =20
    I have rewired tail llights and they worked for a month or so ...
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    I'm thinking about a rocker switch for the tailights ... just =
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:42:51 -0400
From: Joseph & Kurt Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Far to many messages...can't keep up...help!!!

Don:

Call your internet provider and ask them to clear your mailbox for you.
That's what I did when the same thing happened to me...

my 2 cents

Joe

Don Sowers wrote:

> krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
> >
> > Find, on your toolbar, the edit command. Click this and then find
> > "select all". Click that and after all your messages are highlighted,
> > go to the ever wonder working "delete". You problems will be
> > solved..!!!
> >
> > Mike..........   (e=mc2)
> >
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > > Consider checking e-mail a little more often in the future...
> > >
> > > At 10:36 PM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >I have nearly 10,000 messages,
> > > >How do I erase them?
>
> Sorry, but I got to thinking about this one.  I'm on several lists,
> Oldsmobile, RX7, GS Buick and was on the BMW  a while back.  But anyhow,
> being on three lists currently with high traffic, I only received about
> 800 messages in a recent three day period when I was sick and didn't
> bother checking the email.  To accumulate 10,000 would take SEVERAL days
> at that rate.  Just a passing thought.

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:55:39 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Olds News

> >     He has water leakage into the passenger floorboard. The glass
> >shop has verified the windshield is sealing correctly.
>
>
> Heater core is a common culprit for this.

Another probable cause for this, if it's an A/C car, is the
condensation drain hole is stopped up and channeling the water into
the passenger compartment. Check this area..!!

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:23:16 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: saw another one tonight

I've kinda got a story like that, but they're not all Oldses.  Anyway, I got
my 84 at the end of my sophomore year in high school.  I drove it the last
two weeks, but didn't see anything else like it in the parking lot.  The
first day of junior year, I saw a Buick Regal that I hadn't seen before, but
this one was pretty beat, so I didn't take much notice.  A few weeks later,
someone I would later know got an '86 Monte Carlo LS, the exact Chevy
version of my Cutlass Calais.  It had T-Tops and even my tires (Firehawks at
the time).  Towards the end of junior year, one of my friends got a Monte
Carlo SS (with T-Tops).  So, come senior year, there were a good half-dozen
G-Bodies in the senior parking lot (a rather large school, 2500 students).

Well, how does the story end?  I never saw that Regal after junior year.
The kid got some Honda or something like that.  I ended up sitting next to
that Monte LS owner in Government class.  He said one day "hey, don't you
drive that Cutlass out there?"  So, that's how we knew each other.  He
removed the A/C and did a bunch of "me-too" Chevy small block stuff to his
305.  He was also in my Geo Systems class (an easy all-the-seniors-take-it
science course), along with a Camaro (TPI V8) owner.  They were always
talking about racing early in the morning before school (for you N. VA guys,
they were racing on Route 7, out near Loudoun County, not a smooth move in
my mind).  Not for me...  The SS owner blew the engine one day racing it and
he ended up getting a *4-cylinder* S-10!  Blech!  Me?  The Cutlass is still
running like a top and still turning heads, in Northern (and Southern) VA.
I'm not much for drawing attention, but I do *love* cruising it around town
on a warm evening.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: saw another one tonight



>two I'm not sure of.  Never been much of a trendsetter...  Till then! :)
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:31:15 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: How do I degree cam in an installed engine?

I have no idea how to do any of this precise technical stuff (like degreeing
cams), but check your local newsstand for the recent Car Craft stuff.  In
the subscriber version of the magazine (it says that it's a separate
publication for the newsstand versions), there's a nice 3.5 page article on
degreeing a cam.  They use the Crower Cams kit (P/N 87601) to do it.  Check
your local newsstand or bookstore for the specifics.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: JohnMonnin@aol.com <JohnMonnin@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 10:03 PM
Subject: How do I degree cam in an installed engine?


>How can I check if my crank shaft to camshaft timing is correct w/o tearing
>apart the engine?
>I thought about taking off a valve cover on my 69 350 and checking the
timing
>when my intake valve opens an closes but I have no idea when this should
be.


[ snip ]

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 11:04:01 -0400
From: "Barry W. Webb" <webb.barry@mindspring.com>
Subject: 68 Delmont Value?

I have a 1968 Oldsmobile Delmont 88, 350 Rocket engine, 107k original
miles, practically factory condition. Where might I find a good resource
for determining it's value?

Thanx

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 11:52:50 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: VISTA CRUISER REAR WINDOW NEEDED

Had a little lapse of extreme stupidity last night and as a result the
rear window of my Vista Cruiser is broken and lying in little bitty
pieces in the bottom of the tailgate.  I need to find another one now so
if anyone has one or knows where to locate one please let me know since
I doubt I'll find one locally.  Also I was wondering if anyone knows for
sure if any A-body wagon rear window of the same year would work.

It's a 1972 Vista Cruiser with a drop-swing tailgate and power rear
window.

I'm located in SW Virginia, close to Roanoke.  (Zip code 24153)

Email: grpruett@vt.edu

Wanna know how I broke it?  The rear window has been giving me trouble
of one kind or anther for years.  Lately, it hasn't been rolling down
due to some wiring problems but it will still roll up by using the
switch.  I don't use it much (maybe 6 times a year) so I've been putting
off fixing it, and I have a hotwire rigged to roll it down if I do need
to use it. Last night I had it rolled down to move some stuff and when I
tried to roll it back up it wasn't working.  I figured the most likely
culprit was a loose connection in the gate somewhere.  It was raining,
and It's hard to get to anything in the gate with the window down, so I
just opened and closed it again hoping the whack would allow something
to connect long enough to roll up the window.  It didn't work.  I tried
again, and slammed it.  That's when we heard the sickly shattering sound
and saw tiny little shards of glass fly out the top of the tailgate. :(

The window felt inside the tailgate has been gone for years and there's
at least one guide in there that supports the window(keeps it from
rattleing?) that the felt has worn thin on.  The force of the glass
slamming against all that unguarded metal was enough to do it in. :(

Needless to say, I'm feeling pretty dumb right now...Don't slam the
tailgate on a Vista Cruser.

Thanks,

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:48:42 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: re: Im nuts...

>You are not nuts!
>But it is true that Norway does inspect vehicles and will not let the "fail"
>cars on the road.
>But it is UNFAIR that you should be prevented from driving a car that does not
>have antilock brakes!


  well Norway do inspect vehicles yes but my olds f85 just pased that inpection
so...
  we also have europs oldest car park i think the averege age is 13 years!!!
witch most is rice boilers Yakk
  (Were are all the oil dollars going?)
  I was just thinking off the abuse it would gett in the winter.

>Let the list know if there is a way we can help.

  I have full confidense in the pover of this list.
>
>After all, Norway has a pop. of a scant 4-5 million.
>This list has gotta be 4-5 hundred.
>
>I say we can whip 'em easy!

  Well as a former private in the army i must say that i have exercised against
the marines and they dont impress me that mutch (must be our winter and there
ski skills)


>Yah. here I go again, overthrowing small countries!

 Nasty habitt that you know


Trond.

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