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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 10 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1417



Re: '67 Toronado promo on ebay
Re: Disc Brake Backing Plates Color?
Re: mileage problem
Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads
I had the most interesting thing happen this evening...
Re: mail - and list removal
Re: mail - and list removal
Re: 1956 brake drums from hell
Re: mileage problem
Re: mail
apology
My 84 H/O quest
Re: mail - and list removal
RE: conv. circuit breaker amps?
FOR SALE: 69 4-door sedan 4-speed
Re: Yet more timing chain help
Parts 4 Sale (assortment of 53-77)
Re: Oil Pressure Light
4+4 cutlass
Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
o-lot -of olds parts
Re: 4+4 cutlass
Re: mileage problem
Re: Am I fooling myself?
Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads
Re: 4+4 cutlass
Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
Searching 4 Dr. Olds wallpaper
WANT TO BUY Manuals
Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals
Re: 4+4 cutlass
Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals
1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re: I had the most interesting thing happen this evening...
Re: mail - and list removal
Re: Oil Pressure Light
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re: 4+4 cutlass
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing
Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing
w 30 1970
Hello
seeking 455 olds big block
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads
Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads
Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Re: 4+4 cutlass
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:28:16 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Toronado promo on ebay

Jeffrey lane wrote:
>
> damn...  I jsut bid as high as 80 on the Toro promo...  and I am still
> outbid...  think I should keep going??  hmmm???  I no know.
>
> But it is a really sharp Promo.  what do you guys think??

I've got a maroon one.  Bought it at Fall Hershey at least 5 years ago.
Bumper chrome was worn (replaced it with new pieces from a model kit I
had around at the time), and I still haven't replaced the super stock
wheels with the correct toro rims (also from the kit).  Don't remember
what I paid, but I think it was at least $75.  I don't think I'd go over
$100.  Hmmmm... maybe I'll have to list mine...

Paul
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Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:27:07 EDT
From: <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Disc Brake Backing Plates Color?

In a message dated 98-08-09 19:40:37 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone know the correct cadmium plating color for the disc brake
 backing plates for a '70 442?  Were they silver only or the silver,green
 & gold cadmium plating.
  >>


The backing plate on the 70 Cutlass discs we recently installed on my 65
Cutlass were unfinished aluminum.

Tom Simmons
65 Cutlass/442 clone
70 SX W-32

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:32:51 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: mileage problem

KENSOLDS9@aol.com wrote:
>
> the guy who knows about the car ,had bought the car befor  i did and made 
them
> take it back. he receved original papers that i never got to see. and the car
> was aways a  west coast car , as far as i know.

One other thing you might take a shot at is to have a police type person
do a VIN check with the state's vehicle registration place and see at
what mileages the car has been transferred previously.  Forgot to
include that with the original reply.  Sorry.

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:29:50 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads

Kevin Wong wrote:
>
> > 87 Manifolds (At least) are the dinky manifolds.  The "Y" motor
> > manifolds will not work on any other head successfully...  :(  I know
>
> The cast manifolds from my 1988 VIN Y 307 matched up just fine to my 455.
> I examined a set of manifolds from a 5A head 307; the ports were
> identical in size, so I decided to use the original manifolds for the
> pre-drilled O2 sensor fitting.  5A heads also have small exhaust ports
> with floors that curve down dramatically at the exit to help accommodate
> the larger "regular size" manifold openings.

I may stand corrected...

Maybe what we outta do is find someone with the 5A heads, and 7A heads,
and take pics, and then grab some of the ex. manifolds and get some
pics, so I know whether these that I have on the car NOW will work in
the 403...  Doubt it, but hey, it's worth a shot, right?
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:41:22 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: I had the most interesting thing happen this evening...

Weird things happen, and they are usually caused by others...

So here I was sitting in my Toro at the park, leaving a softball game.
I cranked her up, and decided I wanted a cigarette.  Well, I lost my
lighter.  No Problem, I thought, I'll just use the car's lighter.

It didnt work.  I pushed on the lighter and it wouldnt go in.  I thought
it may be jammed.  (Odd, in as good ashape as this car is in, doesn't
seem right that the lighter was broke)  so I tried a couple more times
to no effect.  Then I pulled the lighter out and looked inside the hole.

There was a post sticking up from the center of the socket.  Hmmm  looks
a little bent to the siad ( I think) so I'll just try to bend it back to
center.  Hmmm...  hole in middle of lighter coil, post in center of
socket.  Maybe this is another oldsmobile invention???  Still, lighter
no work.  Oh well, I will stop in my friendly neighborhood exxon store
for a lighter.

Get there, and I turn the car off.  Go in, buy lighter.  Come back out.
Insert key in ignition, and turn, expecting to hear the roar of the 425
coming to life.  Waiting for the low rumble of the exaust.  CLICK.
What??

turn again.  CLICK!.  Hmmm  I hear the click.  I see everything work...
but starter motor no work.  no grind, no whine, no nothing.  Just
click.  What the leck is going on, I thought.  Pop the hood.  No, the
connections all look good.  try again.  Click!  what...  Hmmm...  maybe
I shorted the system with the lighter post thingy. Take lighter back
out.  play wiht post some more.  Hmmm  lets bend it back,...  oh well...

I no know what is wrong with my car.  try ignition once more, jsut for
luck.   VROOOOM!...  starts right up.  what the heck is up with that?

Turns out that on closer examination of the "post thingy" I learn that a
previous owner had removed the lighter connections, and had installed a
toggle switch in the socket.  Instant starter kill switch, neatly hidden
in the lighter.  I never knew.   Definitely a good anti-theft idea.  Who
would have thought to check the lighter??


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><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
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"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:31:09 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: mail - and list removal

Oldsmagnet wrote:
>
> > please stop sending me e-mail
>
> Hmph...  Guess I won't send them anymore mail :(

I guess what we outta do is quote it, and send an individual reply from
eash of us saying "Ok, we won't send mail to you anymore"
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IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:36:08 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: mail - and list removal

Oldsmagnet wrote:
>
> > please stop sending me e-mail
>
> Hmph...  Guess I won't send them anymore mail :(
>
> Folks, ~again~ I'll point to the bottom of this page, to the big arrows
pointing > at the list FAQ page.  Here it is again: >
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm > > On that page you'll find
information for getting off this list.

Uh, Charley, some people can't take a hint or something.  Guess you need
bigger arrows that flash on and off in a hot pink or something to get
the necessary attention.  Then again there is always the hammer
method........

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:20:57 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 1956 brake drums from hell

remove the hub then remove it from the drum...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: 1956 brake drums from hell


>     Thanks for all the help so far, also tried an air chisel (metal scrap
>between chisel and back of drum lip) with no success. The drum is on the
front
>of the car, I wonder if taking the entire hub off and beating on it with it
on
>the ground would work?  What a lot of work to go through to inspect the
>brakes.  The drum  (surprisingly enough) isn't rusted.  The passenger side
>drum would move a little with a hammer but not enough for the naked eye to
>see.  I could tell it was moving though because the drum would spin freely
to
>start off.  After a few blows from the hand sledge the drum would rub a
little
>bit on the pads (maybe the pads were moving)  Anyway like I said no rust
that
>I can see, it's just super dry and stuck.  Guess I'll look up the whitney
>puller....any more ideas let me know...thought there might be some tricks I
>didn't know about.  Never had this much trouble for something so minor.....
>
>Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
>Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
>
>56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
><A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click
here</A>
>85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>89 Chevy Beretta CL
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:43:06 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: mileage problem

> One other thing you might take a shot at is to have a police type person
> do a VIN check

Yes, that's a good idea.  Haven't been following this post very closely 
(sorry!)
but I'll add here that most states require a mileage disclosure statement to be
signed with ~every~ vehicle ownership transfer.  A VIN search should provide
records of previous owners, ~and~ the mileage at which the car had changed
hands.  There may be a cost involved, but you should be able to determine where
the discrepancy fell.  Another thing to consider is the reliability of the
source claiming the odometer is incorrect.  Is there a chance this person was
confused/mistaken/failed to properly identify the car, even though it ~looked~
familiar?  Keep that in mind, at least.  If there ~was~ a misrepresentation of
mileage, you should be able to determine ~who~ made the false claim.  (In MT,
you're required to either write in the actual mileage, or to mark that the
mileage is beyond the odometer's physical limitations.)  If somebody lied 
there,
they broke the law, and you should be able to find ~and~ prove that.  If it
comes to that point, best of luck!

Side note, how likely is it to see a 110K+ mile car, and see it as a <15K mile
car?  Is ~everything~ that perfect on it?  Just a thought.  There's a ~vast~
condition discrepency in 100000 miles.  Lots of wear and tear is expected in
that much mileage.

Good luck regardless,
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:26:45 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: mail

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From: les & cindy <cputnam@gte.net>
To: to whom it may concern <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 7:10 PM
Subject: mail


>please stop sending me e-mail

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:38:15 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: apology

sorry about the attachment intended it to go to the complaintant
not the list thought I clicked on the address guess I was wrong
oops......kk

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:59:36 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: My 84 H/O quest

We all remember the 1500 dollar H/O with no title, right?  I was supposed to
inform the list of the outcome.  Well, I emailed and called, and got no
response back.  I assume it was stolen, because my email message wasn't
replied to, nor my message on the party's answering machine.  Just remembered
that, and thought I'd tell the list.

Joe

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:01:23 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: mail - and list removal

Don Sowers wrote:

> > > please stop sending me e-mail
> >
> > Hmph...  Guess I won't send them anymore mail :(
> >
> > Folks, ~again~ I'll point to the bottom of this page, to the big arrows
pointing > > at the list FAQ page.  Here it is again: > >
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm > > > > On that page you'll find
information for getting off this list. > > Uh, Charley, some people can't take
a hint or something.  Guess you need > bigger arrows that flash on and off in a
hot pink or something to get > the necessary attention.  Then again there is
always the hammer > method........

Some people feel FAQ's won't teach them anything they don't already
know...

Question is, if they KNOW everything already, how come they didn't KNOW
how to get off the list?  And if they KNOW everything already, why won't
they give us a helping hand....  I don't know nuthin, I gradumilated
scoo a fu yairs bark.  I ain't reel gud it evre think.
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: RE: conv. circuit breaker amps?

Thanks Chris and Robert for the answer. I thought it might help to explain how 
I
 came to suspect the breaker of being the problem. By the way I found the
answer ,right after I wrote the email, in the Fisher body manual. "The circuit
wiring is protected by a circuit breaker (40 ampere in most cases) ...". Here
is what the top is doing now. At present the top goes up about 1/4 of the way
and trips the breaker, not the motor thermal switch have verified this with a
test light at breaker when motor don't work. I incorrectly thought it was the
thermal switch and bought a new motor. It seemed logical considering the motor
was sitting in the trunk when I bought the car and it was seized till I took it
 apart well there goes $200. If I let the breaker cool for a while I can get
the top the rest of the way up one or two more trys. Goes down no problem. I
disconnected the cylinders and operated the top manually seems o.k no binding.
Operated cylinders by themselves went up and down great (no load go figure). 
So
my next question is do breakers go bad? considering the fact that this breaker
was unattached to firewall and didn't look very factory. Also the breaker had
16A stamped on it could this be 16 amps? I won't be able to try to put a 
breaker
 in till next weekend. Also how would I go about measuring 40 ampere, does
anyone make a meter for this.

Erik Ferguson

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:43:18 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: FOR SALE: 69 4-door sedan 4-speed

ya thats right.....1969 cutlass 4 door sedan with a 4-speed. car originally
had a 3 on the tree but was converted to a 4-speed. 2-owner car, bought a
couple of years ago from an estate sale and has been a daily driver pass
couple of years. car runs and drives good. can drive it anywhere. 350 2bbl,
like i said convertied to M-21 4-speed with date code of 1971, good glass,
many usable body parts. will sell the car whole or part out. Would like to get
$2000 out of it. whole or parts....good donor car. Email if intereted or you
need more info.

As always......respond back privately to........Cnvrt67@Aol.Com

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

Sorry, coming in late (out disassembling the parts car all weekend):

From: <KarlAune@aol.com>

 For example...
You wear ou HEI caps and rotors because...
maybe they are not properly aligned when they fire?
(Karl only know points)
______________

Uh, Karl, the cap and rotor part of an HEI work just like the ones for points,
they're just a big rotary switch.  Just think of the metal pole piece inside
the HEI (thats the torroidal part with eight points around it's OD) as the cam
for the points in a point distributor.

===============

Joe Padavano?

What would happen if HEI was run with timing for 39' CBA on a 49' motor?
_______________

Er, that's _45 degree_.  The answer, which you probably figured out by
yourself, is that there is no difference.  The cylinders are still 90 degrees
apart and there's a spark every 90 degrees of crank rotation, or every 45
degrees of cam rotation.  The CBA only effects where the centerline of the
lobe needs to be with respect to the crank rotation angle, but has no effect
on spark timing.

===============

I can answer that in part;
Early and late ignition.
_______________

BZZZZT!  No, I'm sorry.  Johnny, please tell Karl about the lovely parting
gifts we have for him.

===============

Joe!
Would an engine firing early AND late ping?
_______________

Actually, this would only be a problem if you took an HEI from an even-fire
Buick V6 (the one with the split throws on the crank - and BTW, the throws are
the offset parts of the crank that the rods go on) and put it in an old
odd-fire V6.  These are called odd-fire because the cylinders are 90 degrees
apart (Vee angle) but the crank has throws every 120 degrees.  Results in
unevenly spaced power pulses alternating at 90 deg, 150 deg, 90 deg...so the
pole piece on the HEI would need to be set up with its points similarly spaced
(45,75,45...).  The even-fire V6 has the throws split and offset to make the
power pulses closer to an even 120 deg apart, with the HEI needing to be
similarly configured.

===============

Is it possible to recurve HEI to fire properly for 45' CBA?
_______________

Sure, you set it up just like you would for 39 deg CBA.

===============
SOM
&KA
_______________

Karl, methinks you had better keep SOM away from the keyboard ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30






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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:17:07 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Parts 4 Sale (assortment of 53-77)

For those of you in the Cleveland area......me and my dad will be at the
Carnation Mall show sellin parts. Pretty sure its the last weekend of this
month. Just letting you know. So here we go.............

Set of 5 14x6 SS1 wheels. Incudes 4 caps. Good condition.......$300

1953:
Hood and trunk world ornaments. Extremely good condition and hard to find
pieces...... $200

1959:
88 Tail lite assemblies. Some pits. Driver quality....... $50 for the pair

1964:
Consle Mounted Tach.........$100

1965:
6 Piece convertible stainless steel trim set including the 1/4 trim......$250
Trunklid........$100
Consle Mounted Tach......$100

1966:
442 Grill and header panel..........$150
Consle Mounted Tach (early 66's)......$100

1967:
442 Grill and header panel..........$150
Pair of Cutlass front wheel well opening moldings (2 pair)........$75 a pair

1976&77:
Cutlass Broham front and rear seats. Black and 6-way power seats.....$100

None of this stuff includes shipping. Depends on how big the item is wether
you pay shipping or not. I will post another list with more 68-72 stuff
probebly sometime Wednesday.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:13:07 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Light

  So, when the engine is hot and idling in gear, the OP light flickers.
Either your base idle is too low, or your oil pressure is too low.  You
should be idling c. 750 rpm in gear.  Your oil should be fresh, your oil
filter new and of some good name brand.  If your idle is ok, then you should
try an oil change.  Try a good 10/40.  Start with the basics.  If the light
stays out and your lifters are quiet, then you'll be done right there.  If
not, then you will need to see where the O.P. is going.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: RAC5419@aol.com <RAC5419@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:04 PM
Subject: Oil Pressure Light


>Just got a 72 Cutlass with 350. After 7 to 10 miles of driving the idiot
light
>for oil pressure starts to flicker off and on when coming to a stop. The
has
>happened all 3 times I  drove it over 7 miles. Anything less than 7 miles
no
>problem  (so far). After the second time I replaced the oil sending switch
but
>the problem continued on the next 7 mile trip. It sure doesn't sound like
an
>oil pump since when that went on my 87 it was obvious from the sound and
the
>light stayed on continuously from the time it started. Any ideas on where
to
>look next?
>
>Thanks to all.
>
>RAC

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:36:43 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: 4+4 cutlass

Hey ,Hey!

  I went to a car show today ,alot of nice olds,but its what i ran in to
on the way home ,it was at a store ,we came to a stop ,thare was a big
vrooooom ,pop ,pop , i looked over to see the biggist cutlass i have
ever seen ,i had to stop the guy ,it was a 85 cutlass on a jimmy chassy
4+4 ,big wheels , jacked the h#ll up ,with you gussed it,
a chaby 350,(why god ,why?
anyway ,has anybody seen anything like that in thare lifes?

Thanks

      Ryan

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:34:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI

...My Quadrajet is pretty well trashed, and I will need to
replace it.  Popular thought is to use a Holley carb for increased
performance.  The 850 or higher cfm Holleys are all square bore.  I
will stick with the stock intake manifold.  I am concerned that putting
a Holley on the car will increase the height of the air cleaner too
much, due to the need for an adaptor (square to spread).
________________

Yep.  Not to mention the breathing inefficiencies through the addition of the
square-to-spread spacer.

=================

I heard I can sneak about a half of an inch clearance by
removing the thick round gasket on the plastic lid of the OAI air
cleaner assy.
_________________

Uh, not having the foam "gasket" to seal to the hood tends to defeat the
purpose of O.A.I.  Also, I think the gasket is not the problem; it's the
center portion of the O.A.I. adapter which sticks up higher than the outer rim
(where the foam mounts.  This raised section is to allow room for the flapper
door to work) something else you want to get rid of for max performance.
Contact Supercars Unlimited.  They sell a modified repro O.A.I. adapter that
has the center already cut out but still allows you to retain the foam.  If
originality is not important (and I gather it isn't), why not just fabricate a
ring to go on the outside of your current air cleaner base which would allow
you to mount the foam ring even lower.  See attempt at ASCII art:

                                   _________________ Top Plate
                                  /       ________________ Filter
               ___ |    _______________  / |___
               /   |    | |          | |/  |
 Aluminum ____/    |    | |          | |   |
 Ring              |____|_|___    ___|_|___|\___________ Air cleaner base

The ring could be made from aluminum, steel, or fiberglass and held on with
pop rivets and angle brackets.  If you choose to do this, just don't cut up an
original O.A.I. air cleaner base,as they are different from the regular bases
(though it isn't obvious).

===============

  According to Holley, the spacer is over 1" in height.
I am afraid there is not enough room for a Holley.  Maybe I should
get a rebuilt Q-jet, and live with the bog.
_______________

Bog?  Bog!?  I certainly don't want to start another Holley/Q-jet flame war
(even if we _are_ long overdue), but the Q-jet is probably one of the most
sophisticated carbs ever made.  It's unfortunate that parts are so hard to
get; when set up properly it's one of the most flexible carbs going.  If you
haven't guessed by now, my recommendation would be to keep the Q-jet.

===============

If anybody is using a Holley with a 455 OAI, what are you
using, and how did you resolve the height problem?  If you are using
something else, what?  Is it satisfactory?
_______________

I'm guessing that not only will you have a problem with the spacer _below_ the
Holley, but you'll also need a spacer between the carb and the stock air
cleaner base to clear the bowls.  Yet another reason to keep the Q-jet.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:47:11 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: o-lot -of olds parts

ill be comeing a crossed  lot of olds parts (and a w meen alot!)
give me a list of stuff you need and we can work somethig out.
i can give you guys a good deal (for being on the list and all :)

pleas see if i have it i have to get rid of it

Thanks


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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:40:05 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 4+4 cutlass

At 09:36 PM 8/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hey ,Hey!
>
>  I went to a car show today ,alot of nice olds,but its what i ran in to
>on the way home ,it was at a store ,we came to a stop ,thare was a big
>vrooooom ,pop ,pop , i looked over to see the biggist cutlass i have
>ever seen ,i had to stop the guy ,it was a 85 cutlass on a jimmy chassy
>4+4 ,big wheels , jacked the h#ll up ,with you gussed it,
>a chaby 350,(why god ,why?
>anyway ,has anybody seen anything like that in thare lifes?
>
>Thanks

here In Spokane one of the car lots has a green G-body like that.
I think it is a pontiac though.

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:46:46 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: mileage problem

Ken, This wouldn't happen to be a H/O from Palm Springs would it????
realtorjohn@sprynet.com

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> From: KENSOLDS9@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: mileage problem
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 6:26 PM
>
> for got to mention the car is a 69 olds

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:53:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Am I fooling myself?

From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Recommendations from a back-yard do-it-yerselfer:

<snip excellent advice>

I want to reiterate everything in Dave's post, but I also need to add one very
important thing:  Use the proper breathing apparatus, _ESPECIALLY_ if you plan
to spray in a garage without a ventilation system.  Back when everyone shot
laquer, the worst you'd get was a not-so-cheap buzz and a sinus headache the
next day.  The stuff in paints today will _kill_ you.  Please don't take
chances, get the right safety equipment.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

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68 W-30
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70 W-30







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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:59:37 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads

In a message dated 8/9/98 7:32:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ithefunki@viperlink.net writes:

<< I may stand corrected...

 Maybe what we outta do is find someone with the 5A heads, and 7A heads,
 and take pics, and then grab some of the ex. manifolds and get some
 pics, so I know whether these that I have on the car NOW will work in
 the 403...  Doubt it, but hey, it's worth a shot, right? >>

Jerry, if someone on the list can answer this question, maybe you will know if
they will fit! My '86 307 had the Semi-tubular Stainless exhaust manifolds on
it. They looked nothing like my original 403 manifolds, except the crossover
pipe and outlet. Was the overall shape of the manifold changed in the mid 80's
to this style across the board? If it was, then that STYLE won't fit,
therefore making ID of interchangeable exhaust manifolds easy.   Dorian

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:00:31 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 4+4 cutlass

> here In Spokane one of the car lots has a green G-body like that.

Friend showed me a picture of a 66/7/8 ?? Toro.  (Small pic, from a
distance...)  Anyway, big 4X4, in a monster truck race thing...  396.  Go 
figure
:(


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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:59:26 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI

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> From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:34 PM
>
> ...My Quadrajet is pretty well trashed, and I will need to
> replace it.  Popular thought is to use a Holley carb for increased
> performance.  The 850 or higher cfm Holleys are all square bore.  I
> will stick with the stock intake manifold.  I am concerned that putting
> a Holley on the car will increase the height of the air cleaner too
> much, due to the need for an adaptor (square to spread).
>I'll throw in my plug once again...get in touch with "The Carburetor Shop"
in Rancho Cucamonga in Calif. They can make Q-Jets run including stock
class drags. Did a couple for my 454 ch*vys that ran super after, and no
bogs, And fairly priced!!!
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:06:07 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: Searching 4 Dr. Olds wallpaper

if anyone on the list has some Dr.Olds wallpaper they could send me i would
appreciate it. i remeber seeing it on someones site and would like to use it
as wallpaper for my desktop. so if you know of where i could find some i would
appreciate it.........Thanks.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html (Updated)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:20:05 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: WANT TO BUY Manuals

Once upon a time (when my grandfather & my father both owned 84s) Grandaddy
had a cardboard box that he bought with his car, and inside said box were
three shop manuals - 2 big blue ones and a much thinner white paper one.
One of the blue ones was for the mechanical aspects, and the other blue one
was for the electrical system - I'm not sure what the white one was for,
although I'm thinking it was from Fisher.

ANYWAY...I would very much like to own these three books again (the
cardboard box is optional).  Does anyone have a set (or any of the
individual books) that they would like to sell me?  I'm not gonna pay their
weight in gold, but I would definately make it worth your time...please
email me privately with any responses.

If you don't have any, do you know where I can get them?  Do you think a
DEALER would have any of these 15 year old books?

TIA
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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:14:12 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals

Many shop manuals are still available through GM.  84?  Possible.  Probably
after a Fisher Body Manual, Chassis Service Manual, and Body Electrical Manual?
(Or something similar)  Occasionally you'll find some on Ebay.  Don't recall
seeing any GM Manuals of that vintage there lately.  But occasionally.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:20:38 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 4+4 cutlass

In a message dated 8/10/98 12:50:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bob149@efortress.com writes:

<< I went to a car show today ,alot of nice olds,but its what i ran in to
 >on the way home ,it was at a store ,we came to a stop ,thare was a big
 >vrooooom ,pop ,pop , i looked over to see the biggist cutlass i have
 >ever seen ,i had to stop the guy ,it was a 85 cutlass on a jimmy chassy
 >4+4 ,big wheels , jacked the h#ll up ,with you gussed it,
 >a chaby 350,(why god ,why?
 >anyway ,has anybody seen anything like that in thare lifes?
 > >>

around here there is a '55 cheby on top of a shortened bus frame on top of
tractor tires.  am i kidding?  nope.  460 f*rd engine, c-6 tranny, transfer
case out of a big john deere tractor (still has bushog drive on it), 6.80:1
dumptruck rearend, air brakes,  and so much other stuff i cant even think of
now..  one thing is for sure, its crazy looking.
jeremy	

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:30:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals

>
>If you don't have any, do you know where I can get them?  Do you think a
>DEALER would have any of these 15 year old books?
>
>
Try Bob johnsons Auto literature.
I got both of my '66 shop manuals and owners manual from him.
I paid $70 and $20.
he only sells originals (no photocopies) and he ships quick


http://www.classicar.com/vendors/bobjautl/home.htm

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:49:37 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

I would like someone else to please confirm...

the biggest NON-DIESEL engine that you could put in a 1984 Olds Delta 88
was the Oldsmobile-built 307, correct?

This is a true statement because the Chevy-built 350 that's also listed as
an option in the owner's manual was a DIESEL, correct?

You could NOT order a normally-aspirated (not the correct term, but oh
well) Olds OR Chevy OR anybody else built 350 in a 198~ Delta 88 or 98,
correct?

And...what letter body is a Delta 88?  Is it a B-body, G-body, etc?  How
about a 98?  I looked in the FAQ, but information on these years is sketchy
at best.  Is there a newer version of the FAQ than v4.1?
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:41:28 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: I had the most interesting thing happen this evening...

>Knowledge is power
AHH  ignorance is bliss!

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:42:36 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: mail - and list removal

I won't send him mail.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:59:11 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Light

Yep, I would agree that your motor is in need of a rebuild. Engine oil
REALLY thins out after 10 miles of driving, so this would explain why you
get the light only after 8 miles of driving.
The guy who sold you the car, how many miles on it? Did he claim everything
was OK? I would let the guy know whats up with the motor. MAYBE THATS WHY
HE SOLD YOU THE CAR?!?!? He probably knwo it needed a rebuild and wanted to
dump it off on someone.....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Light
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:13 PM
>
>   So, when the engine is hot and idling in gear, the OP light flickers.
> Either your base idle is too low, or your oil pressure is too low.  You
> should be idling c. 750 rpm in gear.  Your oil should be fresh, your oil
> filter new and of some good name brand.  If your idle is ok, then you
should
> try an oil change.  Try a good 10/40.  Start with the basics.  If the
light
> stays out and your lifters are quiet, then you'll be done right there.
If
> not, then you will need to see where the O.P. is going.  Peter.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RAC5419@aol.com <RAC5419@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:04 PM
> Subject: Oil Pressure Light
>
>
> >Just got a 72 Cutlass with 350. After 7 to 10 miles of driving the idiot
> light
> >for oil pressure starts to flicker off and on when coming to a stop. The
> has
> >happened all 3 times I  drove it over 7 miles. Anything less than 7
miles
> no
> >problem  (so far). After the second time I replaced the oil sending
switch
> but
> >the problem continued on the next 7 mile trip. It sure doesn't sound
like
> an
> >oil pump since when that went on my 87 it was obvious from the sound and
> the
> >light stayed on continuously from the time it started. Any ideas on
where
> to
> >look next?
> >
> >Thanks to all.
> >
> >RAC
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:23 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

In a message dated 8/9/98 10:40:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< the biggest NON-DIESEL engine that you could put in a 1984 Olds Delta 88
 was the Oldsmobile-built 307, correct?

 This is a true statement because the Chevy-built 350 that's also listed as
 an option in the owner's manual was a DIESEL, correct? >>


     Chevy never made a 350 diesel (right everyone?) As far as I know, the 6.2
litre was Chevy's first diesel manufactured by them, and truck only. I don't
recall any car ever getting it.
       Dorian

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:23 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 4+4 cutlass

I knew of a guy that lived in the BAY area(San Fransisco)that had done the
same thing to what looked like a 73 Z-28.There is also one running around here
in Knoxville(Tennessee, for the geographicly challenged this means you Joe)I
think its a mid 80s GM wagon.They're different thats for sure.
KWhite5590@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:54:54 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

SNIP....

Starting in '81, the largest gas available as a stock engine was the Olds 307.
Came in many makes, too.  Also, the only diesels that made normal production
throughout most of the 80's GM Cars was the ~OLDS~ 350 diesel, ~not~ che*y.
Also available was the 260 Olds diesel, in books as V8, but some have 
speculated
a V6 diesel, too.  No verification on that, though.  But, to answer your
question ~exactly~ the biggest engine that can be ~put~ in there, at least w/o
modification, was the 455 Olds...  You can put anything you want in there, with
enough mod's, but the Olds V8's will all bolt right in.

> And...what letter body is a Delta 88?  Is it a B-body, G-body, etc?  How
> about a 98?

I believe those are ~both~ based on the "B" body platform.  As far as I know...
The bigger ones aren't exactly my area of expertise.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:03:21 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals

>84 OLDS service manuals
One of your local dealers might have some sitting under some dust but I doubt
it.Try the service dept.they should be able to put you in touch with the
company that made them.
KWhite5590@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:02:29 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

At 12:49 AM 8/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I would like someone else to please confirm...
>
>the biggest NON-DIESEL engine that you could put in a 1984 Olds Delta 88
>was the Oldsmobile-built 307, correct?

I have no idea.

>This is a true statement because the Chevy-built 350 that's also listed as
>an option in the owner's manual was a DIESEL, correct?
>
no . chevy didn't make a 350 diesel. the 350 (5.7L) diesel was an Olds engine
even in the pick-ups

>You could NOT order a normally-aspirated (not the correct term, but oh
>well) Olds OR Chevy OR anybody else built 350 in a 198~ Delta 88 or 98,
>correct?

:::shrug:::

>And...what letter body is a Delta 88?  Is it a B-body, G-body, etc?  How
>about a 98?

I think it is a B-body. it definatly isn't a G-body.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:26:12 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

hi....i would like to thank u for your offer of tryin' to get parts for list
members....and try to get a few myself....how  about a short block or long
block or  any w31 350 olds  motor if possible ....thanks in advance!!!!!rob
w31sleeper@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:35:14 EDT
From: <W31Sleeper@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing

i feel the need to burn......so BURN me baby ,  BURN ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm burnin' and loving every hot minute of it!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:39:50 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Separating out the Olds from the chaff :was the ( ! ) thing

> i feel the need to burn......so BURN me baby ,  BURN ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> i'm burnin' and loving every hot minute of it!!!!!

Uh oh...  Did I miss something???  (You didn't put a che*y in there, ~did~
you?????


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:32:20 +0200
From: "avs bert en ron" <avsezh@worldonline.nl>
Subject: w 30 1970

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Dear sir, madam,

My name is Bert Enjoem and i'm mailling from Holland. I own a olds W 30 =
from 1970. I check all the numbers of the vin and it seems to be a real =
W 30. But also 442 decals is on the car. Is this right?. I check all the =
things on the car that is not standard like the 12 bolt rear axle, the =
thicker sway bar, the 455 engine, the F code onde the engine ect. But =
something is bothering me, i read somewhere about the history about this =
W 30 and THE HEAD of the engine is also different of the standard. But =
the codes on the HEAD must not be 668. Does this mean that the engine is =
not original. Because i saw something like this numbers on the right =
side of the block. Also i want to know the complete history of this car =
because i want to KEEP IT FOREVER. Also i want to make the oai like the =
original. But the car had no original air cleaner housing. Can you help =
me to get a used or new one complete with base. The vin of W 30 begin =
with 344 is that right? This car came from california. What is the =
camshaft they used in this engine.

Two friends of mine also have olds. One has a Cutlass S 1971 with a =
rebuild engine 425 of a delta 88 of 66. Very fast. The other friend has =
442 with 455 rebuild. All of this three olds a very fast. Like they say =
: Horsepower sells engine, but torque wins races.=20

Thank you for your time and hear from you soon.
I will send some pictures of this beasty olds.
e-mail : ezhavs@worldonline.nl

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:59:06 -0700
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: Hello

Hello, my name is Mike Jones, and I own a '78 Delta 88.  I used to be on
this list a few months ago, but had to unsubscribe so I could have some
time to do homework for school.  I am back.

The '78 Delta that I own now has 97k on the original 350.  Topped with the
stock, unrebuilt Q-jet, the mixture flows through an edelbrock performer
intake, into the stock engine assembly.  Exiting the stock manifolds, all
the nasty hydrocarbons that the enviromentalists love to hate are filtered
through a monolith catalyst, and then are expelled through a 2.5" single
exhaust system, with a turbo muffler that loves to drone at 2000+ rpm.  The
interior itself, is complete with a sagging headliner, and carpet that is
pretty hashed out in 2 footwells.  It has been in a prior accident before,
the LF frame horn is not aligned correctly, but the u-ton of shims on said
side help keep it in check.  Car has a carmine interior, silver exterior,
with a vinyl top.  I added the optional rallye gage cluster that fits below
the speedometer on these B/C bodies, I must say I wish the car came with
them stock.

Well, I must go, I hope I hear from all of you soon.

Mike Jones

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:28:20 +1000
From: marrickville028-01 <marrickville028-01@nswfire.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: seeking 455 olds big block

wondering if anybody can help ( hope i'm in the right section)i am
seeking a 455 olds big block stock but with high comp heads say
10:25:1.one that is suitable for reconditioning.i am in sydney australia
but have a cousin in  L.A. so one from calif /L.A would be good.my
e-mail address is ispy000@hotmail.com.thanks i would greatly appreciate
any assisstance

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:34:55 +0000
From: Jim Connerly <jdconner@ccia.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

Hi Ryan

Let me know if you have any 86 Toro parts for sell.

Jim Connerly								86 
Toronado 20th Anniv.

jdconner@ccia.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:45:38 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

My Antifreeze runs back into my overflow and out to the ground when I turn
my car off.  A lot of antifreeze comes out too and I don't know what to do.
The car run at about 200 degrees and I got a high performance 180 degree
thermostat.  I also have a tree core radiator. What should I do.

Thanks in advance for your help.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:09:41 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

> it. They looked nothing like my original 403 manifolds, except the crossover
> pipe and outlet. Was the overall shape of the manifold changed in the mid 
80's
> to this style across the board? If it was, then that STYLE won't fit,
> therefore making ID of interchangeable exhaust manifolds easy.   Dorian

Is there a part number on one of these?

I know this topic went around before, and I kinda shrugged it off...

How do you identify these stainless steel things?  Are they "visually"
like headers, or pieces of exhaust pipe???  Mine are thick, heavy clunky
looking things, I wanna say mine are cast iron <G>.  But yet they use
the smaller of the two manfold gaskets...

Here's a question...

My manifolds have the following port setup:  (_) (__) (_)  (Small
rounded ports)

I have seen a gasket set that goes like this:  [_] [___} [_] (large
square ports)
The second gasket set is larger than mine (and cheaper too damnit) but
will not fit.  It is also referenced as being a part number that will
work on that car..


Go figure?
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:16:22 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 87 442 AKA Dinky Heads

To all interested in this debate over the dinky heads please visit 442.com's
FAQ. There is lots of  motor info to be found in there,including the G-body
cars.
KWhite5590@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:14:01 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

>My Antifreeze runs back into my overflow and out to the ground when I turn
my car off.

Sam,
How old is your radiator cap? Is it the correct pressure? (15-18psi)

When the car is cold have you checked to see if enough anti-freeze is sucked
back to keep the rad full?  If the radiator is full and there is still
coolant in the overflow, you may just have excessive anti-freeze in the
system.

My .02
Randy

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:32:40 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

Sorry list but I couldn't send this direct.

Ryan,
Do you have any 68/69 Cutlass parts?
TIA
Jim

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:45:00 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 4+4 cutlass

Ryan D wrote:
>
> Hey ,Hey!
>
>   I went to a car show today ,alot of nice olds,but its what i ran in to
> on the way home ,it was at a store ,we came to a stop ,thare was a big
> vrooooom ,pop ,pop , i looked over to see the biggist cutlass i have
> ever seen ,i had to stop the guy ,it was a 85 cutlass on a jimmy chassy
> 4+4 ,big wheels , jacked the h#ll up ,with you gussed it,
> a chaby 350,(why god ,why?
> anyway ,has anybody seen anything like that in thare lifes?

Yeah, somebody with a 4x4 396 SS Ch*velle pulled into the hangout one
night. I thought it was the ultimate machine! Walk a Kr*stang and go
muddin' at the same time!

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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:48:14 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

Ryan D wrote:
>
> ill be comeing a crossed  lot of olds parts (and a w meen alot!)
> give me a list of stuff you need and we can work somethig out.
> i can give you guys a good deal (for being on the list and all :)
>
> pleas see if i have it i have to get rid of it

How 'bout a decent, assembeled set of BB heads. Like anything but J's?
Bone stock is fine, slightly ported is better, cheap is excellent!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:51:45 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is full until I
cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	RANDY A GEISEL [SMTP:RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 3:14 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.



	>My Antifreeze runs back into my overflow and out to the ground when
I turn
	my car off.

	Sam,
	How old is your radiator cap? Is it the correct pressure? (15-18psi)

	When the car is cold have you checked to see if enough anti-freeze
is sucked
	back to keep the rad full?  If the radiator is full and there is
still
	coolant in the overflow, you may just have excessive anti-freeze in
the
	system.

	My .02
	Randy

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