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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, September 7 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1468



Toro Graveyard, revisited
'69 442 colors and stripes
Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited
v.c.  parts
455
Re: Sport mirrors revisited
Re: 455
Burnout pics...rear axle markings...DC sheriff
Re: '69 442 colors and stripes
rear axle markings are up
Re: Dream Olds bought, shipped!!
Custom Cutlass IROC.
Best ignition distributor for Olds?
455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: Best ignition distributor for Olds?
Re: Best ignition distributor for Olds?
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: 455
Re: adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78
Welcome! was: Newbie's test and bio
found around town
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited
Getting back on the list
'69 fender
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited
Rochester Jet Sizes Old = New?
Re: First time ever  - 71Olds leaves us stranded
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)
Paging oldspacecar@yahoo.com
Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)
A.I.R. Passages
Hurst Hairy Olds model at Ebay!
f/s 4 car garage (with house)
Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: f/s 4 car garage (with house)
Re: Newbie's test and bio

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:12:46 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Toro Graveyard, revisited

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I just met a guy that has the other 67 Toronado in the area.  Remember =
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to get together, and work on them together (nice to finally ahve someone =
to do sme resto work with on a Toro), and he was asking me about =
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:02:15 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '69 442 colors and stripes

Group-
My '69 442 convert is about done with all the bodywork--repro qtrs worked very
well BTW, resurrecting an old thread--and I'm ready to paint. Original color
is Saffron yellow and I don't like it. DO like Sebring yellow, ala the Rallye
350.

Was Sebring yellow available on the '69? My paint code charts show it as a '70
color, but also say that it was avail in '69. True?

Next question is to ask for rec's and sources for the patterns/tapes? for the
hood stripes. If these were painted, who has the templates for sale? Comments
on quality? If tape, where available, and similarly would appreciate any
comments on fit and function and cost.

TIA
Peter
CoupeKing@aol.com
San Pedro, CA

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:13:45 -0700
From: "Dieter R Schafer" <dieter@3-cities.com>
Subject: Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited

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I would be interested I the Toronado parts my self!
Dieter R. Schafer
77 Olds Toronado, Owner
ICQ # 5180073 Or ICQ # 15373222

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: v.c.  parts

stopped atan olds lovers place on stevens pass while on the way home from
east washington and he showed me his new free 67 vista cruizer.  very nice
80k car parked for 14 years.  he has no email or web access, and needs a
few parts.

right rear door
taillight lenses, right and left
taillight housings right and left

email me privately

TIA

47rocket98

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:36:42 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: 455

Sitting in the car, behind the steering wheel, looking at the flywheel; which
direction does the flywheel rotate?

Barney

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:34:02 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Sport mirrors revisited

- ----------
> From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Sport mirrors revisited
John,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I do. Also, since you mentioned the nose on the
late Models, I have repainted the nose of the 75 Cutlass twice this year
due to rock chips.
I'll try that on the nose. I found 2 little chips last week, getting to be
a real pain. Steel nose on the 75 and it's as big as a barn door, catches
everything. Appreciate!
Lou


 Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 11:34 AM
> ---Lou,
>        Do you have access to a spraygun?If so,get some paint mixed up
> of the color you want and add a small amount of "flex additive",it's
> main use is for like plastic parts<ie,front nose on late Olds >that
> need to be able to move a little....It makes the paint a little
> tough,without being brittle.
>                   SMAN
> ==
> John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
> -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:46:53 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455

Counterclockwise'
Lou Biggs

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> From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 455
> Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 5:36 PM
>
> Sitting in the car, behind the steering wheel, looking at the flywheel;
which
> direction does the flywheel rotate?
>
> Barney

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Burnout pics...rear axle markings...DC sheriff

- --Hi Gang,
       Hope everyone is having a wonderful and SAFE weekend...I
finally got a burnout pic of TOPLESS up...looks more like the car is
fixing to BLOWUP~Had a slight tail wind AND Pat operating the camera
:(I'll get a better one next time!
        I'll post the rear axle markings pics shortly,at:
 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/373rear
   The funny thing was while doing the burnout,we got visited by one
of the DC sheriffs,saw the smoke and stopped by to investigate....he
kinda got a laugh after Pat told him I'd better be able to get the
BLACK marks off her driveway.3500psi pressure washer does wonders,if
it doesn't take it off,it just removes the concrete till you can't see
it anymore.:)
            SMAN






==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:00:00 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '69 442 colors and stripes

COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:

> Was Sebring yellow available on the '69? My paint code charts show it as a 
'70
> color, but also say that it was avail in '69. True?

Not according to the '69 Color and Fabrics book.  Only shade of yellow
was Saffron.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: rear axle markings are up

Well,there up,Got to get a digital camera...not the best,but at least
it was clean!!!
           SMAN







==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:08:29 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: Dream Olds bought, shipped!!

David Klauber wrote:
	
	I finally found and bought my dream car...#1 condition high
option 1970 442 W-30 conv!  I can't wait for it to get here so I can
detail and show it.

	<snip>

	Congratulations!  I bet you won't be selling THIS one to Bobby
Bonilla, will you?  :-)  Hope you get some pics on a website soon.

	Take care,

	Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
	Columbus, MS         1987 442

	http://www.442.com/neman.html
	http:www.442.com/newmantape.html
	

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:11:27 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: Custom Cutlass IROC.

Sun 6/98

Notice to the list:

"Quincy", The Custom Cutlass IROC will not debut/attend the Charlotte event
September 17-20. The prototype body will be complete 9/11/98. The remainder
of September the car will be receiving the exterior finishing touches. At
this point in time the drive line and interior remain stock Supreme
Brougham. That will change over the winter months for a Spring full car
public offering of the Cutlass IROC. "Quincy" is being converted from a 1986
Cutlass Supreme Brougham.

It is highly possible for Quincy to effect a body debut at the Englishtown
event coming Columbus Day weekend (Oct
10-11). Than attend the Suffern NY leg (Oct 18) of Hot Rod's East Coast
Cruz. Public response will be gauged as to acceptance, desire, motivations.
The outcome may very well see born a new offering of a G-Body Custom Cutlass
IROC conversion. I will personally over see all sold conversions to insure
the quality and authenticity of every conversions.
Drive line and Interior options will be offered. More to come.

Move over H/O and 442, IROC is coming...

Any that would like more info:

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
518-622-0376

gjcouse@mhonline.net

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:25:17 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Best ignition distributor for Olds?

I've been plagued by engine problems and I'm convinced that my Mallory
Unilite distributor is at fault.  I've changed coils, wires, plugs,
cap, rotor, vacuum advance canister, rebuilt carb, etc, etc.  Same low
rpm stumble problem and no  real power at W.O.T.

What is the best distributor?  I'm looking at the MSD billet unit that
has roller bearings in it.  Anyone use this model?  Is it a large or
small cap?  Summit has it for $250.

Or maybe a high performance HEI unit.  Who makes the best one?

I'm also running a MSD-6AL.

thanks,
greg

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:43:11 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

455 - Project:  Build to Install in 1943 Stearman Bi-Plane

History - In 1985, I had a 1939 Stearman which gave me innumerable problems
(engine -220HP Continental, radial).  My 1972 Olds 455 wagon always hauled
parts without problem or failure of any kind.  October ?85, while on cross
country flying vacation viewing fall foliage in New York and Vermont, the
crank broke in the air, requiring a dead stick landing east of east noplace in
a farmer?s field.  Trusty Olds hauled a trailer from Memphis to Chicago, and
trailer plus new engine (rebuilt) from Chicago to 50 east of Albany, NY.  Olds
then became my away from home ?airport car? languishing in the parking lot of
the Albany Marriott for several years.  In February, ?89, after not having
been started since the first week of the previous October and buried under 3
1/2 feet of snow, occasion called for trusty transportation.  After digging my
way to the driver?s side door, and having made several heavy bets that not
only would it start, but that it would ?Rocket? out of its burial place, it
cranked on the first turn.  I rolled it back about one foot and launched the
Rocket half way across the parking lot, and then took another half hour to
clean all the snow off it.  One of my brothers commented, ?That?s the engine
you should have in the Stearman!?

Many times I?ve thought of it; & now I?m going to do it.  Automotive engines
in aircraft are not exactly a new idea, but I?ve not seen a 455 in one yet.
So, with some help from those who are in the know, maybe ?Barney?s Old Field
Flying Service, Inc.? Stearman will be the first Stearman to have ?Powered by
OLDS? emblazoned on the side of the fuselage.

What I need from a 455 is as much torque to turn that big prop from 1400 rpm
up thru 1800-2100 rpm for cruise, as possible.  Obviously, there are a host of
considerations to be made.

Who would care to venture their ideas?

Barney

PS  Thanks to Lou Biggs, I?ve found that 455 rotation is in the right
direction.  Initial thinking is to turn the engine around and bolt the prop to
the flywheel.

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:43:06 -0700
From: "FX O'Connor" <wwjcd@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Best ignition distributor for Olds?

>Or maybe a high performance HEI unit.  Who makes the best one?
>
>I'm also running a MSD-6AL.
>
>thanks,
>greg

Greg, I say just go get a used HEI from a junk yard, order a hi-po coil if
you like (not necessary) and it should be okay. I've had no problems with my
HEI and MSD 6A. You shouldn't spend all that money on a new HEI distributor
cause the only thing you will need it the pickups and the coil in the cap.
The MSD uses it to trigger and replaces the HEI module. Quick and easy hook
up too! Good Luck
Ben

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Best ignition distributor for Olds?

- ---Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> I've been plagued by engine problems and I'm convinced that my Mallory
> Unilite distributor ....

- ----Mallory has had their problems with the unilite in the past.I've
heard several folks complain about them. Mallory is owned by Super
Shops,who I think is out of business.....Heard they owed everybody BIG
time.I think they also owned Erson,or at least did at one time.

> What is the best distributor?  I'm looking at the MSD billet unit that
> has roller bearings in it.  Anyone use this model?  Is it a large or
> small cap?  Summit has it for $250.
>
> Or maybe a high performance HEI unit.  Who makes the best one?


- ---I don't know about the MSD...but have heard  that the HP HEI's that
Summit sells are a little better on top end than the stock HEI.I've
never had any "real" problems from a standard HEI for a street car,and
not sure what your paticular application is(sorry).
        SMAN
==
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TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:29:18 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

only having little knowledge of such things, I want to say that that sounds
like a great idea...  heh heh...  now the rocket will really take off!

ever thought about having a reduction case made for it?  I read in a
magazine a few years ago about a man that put a 327 or 397 ch*vy motor in
either a Cessna or a Piper, and he designed and machined a transmission to
spin the prop at maybe a 10:1 ratio...  or somewhere in there.  Mounting the
motor backwards shoudnt be too difficult a task, just getting the prop to
mate tot he motor.

good luck, I would be real interested in updates on how this turns out!
- -----Original Message-----
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com <CBarnhart1@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 8:00 PM
Subject: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine


455 - Project:  Build to Install in 1943 Stearman Bi-Plane

History - In 1985, I had a 1939 Stearman which gave me innumerable problems
(engine -220HP Continental, radial).  My 1972 Olds 455 wagon always hauled
parts without problem or failure of any kind.  October ?85, while on cross
country flying vacation viewing fall foliage in New York and Vermont, the
crank broke in the air, requiring a dead stick landing east of east noplace
in
a farmer?s field.  Trusty Olds hauled a trailer from Memphis to Chicago, and
trailer plus new engine (rebuilt) from Chicago to 50 east of Albany, NY.
Olds
then became my away from home ?airport car? languishing in the parking lot
of
the Albany Marriott for several years.  In February, ?89, after not having
been started since the first week of the previous October and buried under 3
1/2 feet of snow, occasion called for trusty transportation.  After digging
my
way to the driver?s side door, and having made several heavy bets that not
only would it start, but that it would ?Rocket? out of its burial place, it
cranked on the first turn.  I rolled it back about one foot and launched the
Rocket half way across the parking lot, and then took another half hour to
clean all the snow off it.  One of my brothers commented, ?That?s the engine
you should have in the Stearman!?

Many times I?ve thought of it; & now I?m going to do it.  Automotive engines
in aircraft are not exactly a new idea, but I?ve not seen a 455 in one yet.
So, with some help from those who are in the know, maybe ?Barney?s Old Field
Flying Service, Inc.? Stearman will be the first Stearman to have ?Powered
by
OLDS? emblazoned on the side of the fuselage.

What I need from a 455 is as much torque to turn that big prop from 1400 rpm
up thru 1800-2100 rpm for cruise, as possible.  Obviously, there are a host
of
considerations to be made.

Who would care to venture their ideas?

Barney

PS  Thanks to Lou Biggs, I?ve found that 455 rotation is in the right
direction.  Initial thinking is to turn the engine around and bolt the prop
to
the flywheel.

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:15:16 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In a message dated 9/6/98
 7:<BR48:<BR44 PM Central Daylight Time, CBarnhart1@aol.com writes:

>
>  Who would care to venture their ideas?
>
>  Barney
>
>  PS  Thanks to Lou Biggs, I?ve found that 455 rotation is in the right
>  direction.  Initial thinking is to turn the engine around and bolt the prop
> to the flywheel.
>

Barney,

about 20 years ago, I wrote the technical manual for Steve Wittman's aircraft
conversion of the GM aluminum V-8. The tech specs would be worthless to you,
but the manual contains a bunch of information on auxiliary systems, a
discussion of front-versus-rear drive, and some good drawings of the prop
adaptors. I believe that you would get your money's worth from the book, even
though it is for a much smaller and much different engine than the one you
want.

Of course, Steve and Dorothy died in a crash a couple of years back (nothing
to so with the engine), but I am sure the book is still available. If you
don't know anyone in the EAA who could check  the magazine for order
information, you could contact EAA directly or call the Oshkosh airport (Steve
Wittman Airport) and I expect the gift shop there will sell it.

I am sure that a 445 Olds will be a far better aero engine than the old
Continental; the large block Fords make fine aeros.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:32:33 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In a message dated 9/6/98
 8:<BR19:<BR05 PM Central Daylight Time, bladernr@roava.net writes:

>  I read in a
>  magazine a few years ago about a man that put a 327 or 397 ch*vy motor in
>  either a Cessna or a Piper,


Barney,

Just thought of another lead. About 1961-2 there was a re-engined Cessna or
something like it that had a big block Olds in it. I expect that if you were
to cruise the collection of Flying and homebuilts in a library, you would come
across a picture of it. It was featured in an ad, but I cant remember the
company. Anyhow, it was in a series of issues, not just a single one. I'd bet
you could track down the original designer.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:31:16 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

Carron,

I'll check the old magazines.  An engine mount will be something that I'll be
looking for.

Thanks,
Barney

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:40:57 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In a message dated 9/6/98
 9:<BR37:<BR02 PM Central Daylight Time, CBarnhart1@aol.com writes:

>
>  I'll check the old magazines.  An engine mount will be something that I'll
> be looking for.
>
Barney,

I believe I put an engine mount drawing in Steve Wittman's manual...been a
long time, so i'm not sure. I have the edit file around somewhere (I think)
but it would be hard to find as I have just relocated and have about 50 boxes
that I have no place to unpack. Try to find the book. If no luck, ring me
again.

Cheers/Don Carron

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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:20:00 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

I am looking for a friend...  (I wish it was for me)

He's got an 84 Hurst that is a TRUE Hurst...  But it had seen better
days, and in his pursuit to go faster, has made the car into
"Pro-Street" caliber...

We're looking for any G-Body (78-88) that has ONLY a Heater, no A/C.  He
would like to have the Heater Box, and the HVAC Switch and face plate
for such an item......

Please E-Me privately if you got one, and wanna sell.
- --
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IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:33:09 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

Obviously, he's not trying to restore this Hurst?  All of them had A/C,
didn't they?  Just curious...

BTW, I don't have a non-A/C heater box.  :-(

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
To: Olds Mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 11:22 PM
Subject: 80's G-Body Part Needed.


>I am looking for a friend...  (I wish it was for me)
>
>He's got an 84 Hurst that is a TRUE Hurst...  But it had seen better
>days, and in his pursuit to go faster, has made the car into
>"Pro-Street" caliber...
>
>We're looking for any G-Body (78-88) that has ONLY a Heater, no A/C.  He
>would like to have the Heater Box, and the HVAC Switch and face plate
>for such an item......

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:39:18 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78

hey, would it be possible to add a h/o hood scoop to the hood of my '78
cutlass?  i know i could physically bolt it on there, but do you think it
would lay down flat and look good?  id love to have one of those!!  also, im
thinking about adding a h/o spoiler.  they have one that is a replica of a
original h/o spoiler, and they have another one with a third brake light.
tell me what ya think.
jeremy

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Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 23:59:29 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Obviously, he's not trying to restore this Hurst?  All of them had A/C,
> didn't they?  Just curious...

No...  It's been his since day one..  <G> But like I mentioned, it's
"Pro-Street" meaning, 425 Bored over, Mondello Heads, ported and matched
to their recommended intake, Hooker Headers, Dana 40 Rear (with 5.14
rear gears)  TMH-400, roll cage, 33 inch tires (tubbed chassis), Lexan
Windows...

I cringe at butchering rare cars...  This one is one of the FEW
exceptions to the rule, not only winning quite a few "Best of Class"
show trophies, there's some "Best of Show", First through third place
trophies and plaques....  As well as First - Second place trophies for
Pro-Class IHRA at the local track. Hates having people lean, or rub the
car (might scratch it).  It's BEAUTIFUL..  Awesome paint job on it...
Personally, I've seen none like it, although TRUE 84 Hurst colors,
quality of the paint kicks butt.

And to make it even sweeter...  It's no trailer queen..  If his
daughter's not running her Jr. Rail, he drives it to the track... He'll
drive it to get groceries, he'll drive it to the mall (oh, wait, sorry,
no mall), He thinks nothing of DRIVING the car over HAULING the car.

Has over $7,000 tied up in the drive train, $3500 in the paint, bought
the car new........

Run's 6.90-7.00's in the 1/8...  And this weekend, I'll get to drive it!

> BTW, I don't have a non-A/C heater box.  :-(
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
> To: Olds Mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 11:22 PM
> Subject: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
>
> >I am looking for a friend...  (I wish it was for me)
> >
> >He's got an 84 Hurst that is a TRUE Hurst...  But it had seen better
> >days, and in his pursuit to go faster, has made the car into
> >"Pro-Street" caliber...
> >
> >We're looking for any G-Body (78-88) that has ONLY a Heater, no A/C.  He
> >would like to have the Heater Box, and the HVAC Switch and face plate
> >for such an item......

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:15:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

> Jason Adcock wrote:

Obviously, he's not trying to restore this Hurst?  All of them had
A/C, didn't they?  Just curious...

- ----I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?

<snipped very impressive stats>:)

> And to make it even sweeter...  It's no trailer queen..  If his
> daughter's not running her Jr. Rail, he drives it to the track...
He'll
> drive it to get groceries, he'll drive it to the mall (oh, wait,
sorry,
> no mall), He thinks nothing of DRIVING the car over HAULING the car.
>

- --If you can't enjoy the car,What's the use in having it...I'm glad it
ISN'T a trailer queen!!


  And this weekend, I'll get to drive it!
- -----I wanna drive it too!!!!
 BTW, I don't have a non-A/C heater box either  :-(


- -                SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:29:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78

- ---BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
>
> hey, would it be possible to add a h/o hood scoop to the hood of my
'78 cutlass?

- ---uh...well yes...at the worst you'll have to do a little "molding"
with some fiberglass,which unless I'm
 asleep here, you'll have to do something with the chrome strip down
the hood anyway.If you decide to fill the hood in for a smoother look
(you can see what mine looks like on my page)just make sure to go to
bare metal in the recess,then run a piece of masking tape over the
holes from UNDERNEATH,then fill in with fiberglass.Use a couple or
three layers to do this.The reason for not using "bondo" on this is
two reasons,#1-that is too thick for bondo,#2 if properly prepped the
fiberglass won't crack from shutting the hood.

> thinking about adding a h/o spoiler.  they have one that is a
replica of a
> original h/o spoiler, and they have another one with a third brake
light.
> tell me what ya think.

- --That ones YOUR call,the third brake light isn't original,but neither
is the spoiler for that year...so if you like them,I say go for
it!!!of course this is the opinion of someone who builds his cars like
I want them,and not what is always correct...mechanically and safe
YES,everything else is FAIR GAME!!!

         SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 00:47:21 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

S-MAN wrote:
>
> > Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Obviously, he's not trying to restore this Hurst?  All of them had
> A/C, didn't they?  Just curious...
>
> ----I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
> there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?

Yes I belive I have....An 80 el camino....It was in a junqueyard, I'm
pretty sure it just had a heater.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Crusier
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 21:38:52 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 455

Wouldn't that torque the right front wheel??? Not to mention load the left
rear??
realtorjohn@sprynet.com

- ----------
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 455
> Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 3:46 PM
>
> Counterclockwise'
> Lou Biggs
>
> ----------
> > From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: 455
> > Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 5:36 PM
> >
> > Sitting in the car, behind the steering wheel, looking at the flywheel;
> which
> > direction does the flywheel rotate?
> >
> > Barney

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:27:49 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78

John,	
the scoop the Jeremy is thinking about getting has a chrome strip already on
it to match the hood. If you have a g-body
check out this site <A HREF="http://www.laureneng.com/">Lauren Engineering</A>
. It has some nice
fiberglass product for Cutlass', montes,gran prix.

Kevin White
83 Cutlass Supreme
FE3X clone
KWite5590@aol.com
DVADEROLDS@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:40:45 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Welcome! was: Newbie's test and bio

Hi Speed!

Or can I call you Don?

<< Searches are flaky because there are so many dealers advertising that it is
hard to find the 10 good hits out of the 406, 735 that the engine returns >>

Quite!
Isn't there a link or info on the list at Oldsmobile.com? There really should
be. would make things easier for neophytes like I used to be. I actually found
"the list" rather quickly given the total 'net exposure that I had at the
time.

<< I suppose I should do a little bio here, so folks will know why I'm in this
territory. >>

Explanation is not neccessary (sp?). But since you brought it up....

Hi! My name is Karl, and I am an Olds-oholic. I grew up driving my father's
1976 "droop snoot" Cutlass S 4dr hrdtp (fortunately he bought new when his
Flatulent vehicle expired). In 1995 I looked for my first car. The first one
was actually a hopeless Mazda 626 I bought at auction ("First Federal Auto
Auction" for those Chi-towners). It was manual transmission, and third gear
was so far gone as to be unusable, there was a serious coolant leak, and an
oil leak that my mechanics never found. Purchased for $1100 or so and sold for
scrap for $35.
    After that fiasco, I was determined to find a car such as I had always
desired; a car from a bygone era. Not an old Camaroon or TransplantedAmerican
or other traditional "performance" car. I wanted a car that was rather more
unusual. A four-door sedan perhaps. What I found through the local "Tradin'
Times" was an add for a 1965 Oldsmobile.
    Well, the seller was not what a prospective buyer hopes for. He had
several vehicles which he fixed as best he could (he drove a Comet which had a
light switch for a turn signal). But I brought along my younger brother whom
was more car-savvy at that time. We were looking at a 1965 Oldsmobile Dynamic
88 Celebrity Sedan. My brother pronounced it relatively sound with some
diriving anomalies (a rotted away set of upper controll arm rubber grommets)
but a floorpan suprisingly solig for the car's age.
    Well the first trip to the mechanic was  ..... interesting.
    Firstly... I had no idea how to drain the oil as the plug required a
special tool. The original oil pan dain plug looked to take a Tor-Ex bolt. But
one bigger than any mech I talked to had. Those places I called about a
replacement pan for a '65 could not help, except for Forest City Auto Parts,
who could order a chrome pan from thier warehouse that would fit. Turns out
ALL 65-8X pans will interchange! DOH!! x infinity. But then again it was
nearly a full year until I discovered through the collective list wisdom that
I had a Big Block motor and not the 330 power plant.
     In short I now owe much to a few. Most of them subscribers here.
Previously named in a separate post. Now that I have learned, it is my
[Happy!] lot to share what I think I know with those who ask.
     "Soylent Ocean Mist" (after the 0riginal paint) is now the millstone
around my neck and my pride and joy. Did I mention she is fun to drive?

<< As to my background, I am a sales engineer in the rotating equipment
Idustry...turbines, compressors, pumps, etc. I have ten years background in
achining industry as a machinist and a toolamaker, so I have the manual
skills. I have restored two motorcycles, refurbished a number of others, and I
am a lifelong model airplane flyer...free flight and control line, no RC. >>

That is an impressive summary!
I am an Organic Chemist who works for a Hazardous Waste recycling company.
 I also
<< Well, I saw something last summer that has kept me piqued. While travelling
 through Huntsville AL, I saw a "road parade" of rods and classics. One of the
auto s was a late 40s GM (probably Olds, but it was at a fair distance)
torpedo bodied 2 dr. Well, it was just about the most beautiful car I'd ever
seen with its light tan paint job and those voluptuous lines (sensual, nearly
sexy). >>

That would'nt have been the '29 Patrician?
Stop it!
You are getting me excited!

You MIGHT have seen one of several caravans which were headed to Lansing MI
from all corners of the globe to celebrate the Oldsmobile Centennial last
year. There were lots o great looking Cars.

<< I am not yet ready to buy a car, as I have to clear other projects from my
garage to give building room, and really, I hope to buy one with the major
sub-chassis work done. >>

Quite so, the best buy is an informed buy!

<< lines that I appreciate so much. If anyone on the list can point me to
photos of these torpedo-bodied GMs, I'd appreciate it, even if they aren't
Olds. >>

[some mentions of Flash-in-the-pan makes that is forgivable for the first
incidence]

<< Other interests .... are classic boats, woodworking (hand tools),
blacksmithing, astronomy and telescope making, early music, bluegrass and
blues, others that I can't remember right now. I have two teenagers still at
home ..... >>

Teenagers at home.
My condolences.
Pix of early Olds are tough to come by.
There is a gallery at www.442.com, but that also rather lacks for the pre-war
oldses!
Try www.oldsclub.org for the Oldsmobile Club of America (Karl hopes that right
URL!!!)

Or, see http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html for the crabapple of my eye.

<< Finally, if anyone has a line on that Huntsville AL car or a club there, I
would like to track the woner down to get a close look at it. >>

This is the right place to find on-line OCA chapter members. I belong to the
Illinois Valley Oldsmobile Chapter.

<< Thanks for the welcome. I don't have much to contribute, but I look forward
to lots of pleasurable lurking. >>

Lurk away! We'll write more!
Just be patient with some of the non-Olds topics!

The more people ignore them, the quicker they go away!

AND

Good Luck!

SOM
&KA

(I just enjoy being under the car!)

 Thanks for the welcome. I don't have much to contribute, but I look forward
to
 lots of pleasurable lurking. >>

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:43:36 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: found around town

hello to all,

While driving around town today looking for a new car for the wife I found 2
very nice
Cutlasses. One is a 65 f-85, very pretty car, light blue metallic with white
int. extra clean. The second one I really wish I had the money for. It is a
70,442. black with white stripes. White interior. absolutely wicked looking
and priced at $13,000.oops it's a convertible too.

Kevin White
83 Cutlass Supreme
FE3X clone

KWhite5590@aol.com
DVADEROLDS@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 00:44:01 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

> No...  It's been his since day one..  <G> But like I mentioned, it's
> "Pro-Street" meaning, 425 Bored over, Mondello Heads, ported and matched

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!  Stop right there!  Yes, indeed these cars ~did~ come with
non-AC versions.  But, the AC box and heater box were both quite different.  
The
non-AC'd cars will ~not~ accept a big block.  The heater core-only box takes up
the space that would otherwise be occupied by a valve cover...   If mods are
desired, he could butcher things to fit, but he could do that with the AC box.
I think the heater box was metal, too.  AC version is all fiberglass.  
Lighter.


BTW, I personally ~saw~ one of these non-AC cars.  An 80 W30, no less.  WITHOUT
AC!!!  Go figure :(

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:15:02 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In a message dated 98-09-06 20:47:26 EDT, you write:

<<  After digging my way to the driver?s side door, and having made several
heavy bets that not only would it start, but that it would ?Rocket? out of its
burial place, it
 cranked on the first turn. >>

So true. My 1965 Dynamic ALWAYS fires on the first try when properly
maintained by the owner! Much better than many other cars on the road.

Actually there have been Olds engines in aircraft!
The first I know about is mentioned in "Setting the Pace" (mine signed by both
authors!!!), which pictures an experimental Cessna powered by the new 1964 330
flying above a 1964 Jetfire.

Unfortunately, the Oldsmobile Historical Dept (well that's not the real name,
just what I can think of now) is temporarily closed, but will be back up and
running soon. I am sure they (J. R. Walkinshaw & H.J. Earley et alii) could
help you get in contact with those with the notes/specs from the original
innovators. After all, the motor mounts for the 455 are similar to the 330 (or
should be) so many of the other alterations should also be similar.

Others here doubtless can provide you better with information pertaining to
the swap you intend.

I can only say that I do not know much, but regarding the vibrational
damper/harmonic balancer; have the prospective motor balanced to include the
propeller! We do not wish to lose Oldsmophiles to preventable accidents!

I wish you: Good luck, Blue skies, and fair weather!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:15:02 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited

In a message dated 98-09-06 18:02:44 EDT, you write:

<< What ever happened to that Yard in Indiana that had all the Toros?   >>

The right contact is "Jack" at jh2nlla@noblecan.org (jhbII)

He has worked out a deal with the yarde owner where he bought the cars and
rented the space they were on while he strips them.

I was in contact with him until just after he worked out that deal.

Then he did not reply to me anymore.

Good luck!

K

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:09:04 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Getting back on the list

Hi, its Igor Todorovic.  I have been a member on the list up until a few
weeks ago when my internet account ran out.   The original e-mail adress was
todorovb@cadvision.com, and since then I have gotten a new internet provider
and my new e-mail adress is igor455@home.com .  I would like to be a member
again so please sign me up right away or tell me where to go to sign my self
up.  Thanks a lot and I hope I hear from you soon.

Igor.

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:34:08 EDT
From: TomW30@aol.com
Subject: '69 fender

  Am looking (without any success) for a left front fender (driver's side) for
my '69 442 in good (no dents, no rust) condition. Any leads would be
appreciated. Also, is the only difference between a '69 Cutlass and 442 fender
the holes in the side for the emblems or are there more significant
differences as to contours, etc.

                          Thanks,

                              Tom. R

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:25:39 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

In a message dated 98-09-07 00:19:03 EDT, you write:

<< ---I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
 there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?
  >>
 Yep...seen one in the wrecking yard...unfortunately had interior fire..no
controller.. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:34:23 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited

whoah...  Karl not speak in third person anymore????  Can it be???  <grin>

seriously though, thanks a buncg.  Maybe I can get him to sell me a car or
two...  now that I may have transport and storage for them...
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 2:32 AM
Subject: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisited


>In a message dated 98-09-06 18:02:44 EDT, you write:
>
><< What ever happened to that Yard in Indiana that had all the Toros?   >>
>
>The right contact is "Jack" at jh2nlla@noblecan.org (jhbII)
>
>He has worked out a deal with the yarde owner where he bought the cars and
>rented the space they were on while he strips them.
>
>I was in contact with him until just after he worked out that deal.
>
>Then he did not reply to me anymore.
>
>Good luck!
>
>K
>

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:23:59 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rochester Jet Sizes Old = New?

Yup.

Roe book claims jets should not be driled because jets have flow
characteristics (swirls, et alii) in the apertures.

So.

My question is;

If I need a certain jet for a 1957 carb, can I order that same jet # from
Edelbrock or take same jet # from a (relatively) late-model Q-Jet?

And yeah, I know what jet sizes I will need. (Actually got ALL specs!!)
Just need to know if correct jets can come from any Roch.

Thanks much.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:08:18 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: First time ever  - 71Olds leaves us stranded

>Hello fellow Oldsmobilers...
>I need your mechanical assistance.  Last night I noticed the amp guage
would
>not go in the postive range. Noticed the lights just got dimmer and dimmer.


Could be either alternator or voltage regulator (if you have one). The
alternator can be tested on the car by disconnecting the regulator and
jumper the alt's field terminal to battery positive. If it starts charging
the battery the alt is OK. and the regulator is probably the culprit. Of
course you'd need to charge the battery to the point where it will start and
run the engine first.

Newer systems have the regulator built in to the alternator. (Dunno when the
change was made by GM - but my '78 was like that). Lots of people switch to
these and do a little rewiring to accomodate the differences when the orig
alt goes plooey. That change may have already been done to your engine. You
gotta know before you get new parts.

drc

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:16:14 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

Yeah, they're out there...I was just referring to the Hurst/Olds models.  I
thought that *they* all had A/C.  I've seen many G-Body Cutlass/Regal/Monte
Carlo/Grand Prix cars without A/C.  Afterall, it was a $730 option back
then...I'm sure many came from the factory w/o the comfort of air
conditioning.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.


>In a message dated 98-09-07 00:19:03 EDT, you write:
>
><< ---I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
> there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?
>  >>
> Yep...seen one in the wrecking yard...unfortunately had interior fire..no
>controller.. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:19:18 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)

>---Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net> wrote:
> Would like to paint them with something other than lacquer.
>> Refinished a few spots with regular old lacquer and it chips VERY
>easily.
> Illinois (this area)
>> has a lot of oil and chip roads which are hell on the paint.
>
>---Lou,
>       Do you have access to a spraygun?If so,get some paint mixed up
>of the color you want and add a small amount of "flex additive",.....<snip>

You'll also find that acrylic enamel is a lot more durable than laquer.
Harder to paint (runs, sags, etc.) but more resilient to road debris.


drc

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:22:05 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Paging oldspacecar@yahoo.com

Karl not recognize your address.

If you are on Olds list please contact me at KarlAune@aol.com.

Karl believes we can make an exchange.

Value for value.

Karl

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:22:54 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)

Is this what they put on the bottom of the G-Body cars without chrome
molding?  Last week's Salem group (Greg, Mike and myself) noticed "uneven"
paint at the bottom of Mike's 442.  The same was found on a very clean 1983
Hurst/Olds.  Is this to hold up against stones and dirt?  The
"rough-looking" paint blended with the smooth paint of the rest of the car
about 8 inches from the bottom, and they blended it quite nicely.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:17 AM
Subject: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)


>You'll also find that acrylic enamel is a lot more durable than laquer.
>Harder to paint (runs, sags, etc.) but more resilient to road debris.

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:31:09 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: A.I.R. Passages

Were there any Olds 350's that came with the A.I.R. holes drilled & tapped?
If so, were they only California cars? No. 8 heads?

drc

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:29:07 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Hurst Hairy Olds model at Ebay!

Yup!

www.Ebay.com

Item # 28830734

(Yeeesh!  307 should NOT be associated with the Hurst name!)

K

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:49:56 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: f/s 4 car garage (with house)

In Wickliffe Ohio (east suburb of Cleveland)
4-car detached garage with:
All concrete grease pit
220
Gas overhead heater
Steel beam support (for hoist support)
Overhead storage.
Workbench
Many outlets
House is 4-bdrm Bungalow, 2-1/2 bath, central air, finished basement
(presently an Olds museum)

Am building a new house, expect to be in by March, '99.

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:26:27 -0400
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)

To Dave Cullen.
Please drop me a note privately about painting. I'm ready to start a
project.
Thanks,
Reggie Goble
jgoble@nishanet.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:36:40 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

In a message dated 9/7/98 12:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, grpruett@vt.edu
writes:

<<
 > ----I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
 > there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?

 Yes I b >>
   I have a 1980 Cutlass 2dr V-6 in my small junk yard with no air, I have
already e-mailed Jerry privately about it

Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:42:45 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: f/s 4 car garage (with house)

W-MACHINES wrote:
>
> In Wickliffe Ohio (east suburb of Cleveland)
> 4-car detached garage with:
> All concrete grease pit
> 220
> Gas overhead heater
> Steel beam support (for hoist support)
> Overhead storage.
> Workbench
> Many outlets
> House is 4-bdrm Bungalow, 2-1/2 bath, central air, finished basement
> (presently an Olds museum)

I wish realators would realize that ads like this would be good.
I'd like to find a garage like this, but it's hard looking through
listings that tout more of the house that the important things ;)

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:42:33 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie's test and bio

SpeedCom@aol.com wrote:

> After searching the web for maybe 12 hours in 4 different
> sessions, I finally discovered *one* picture (unidentified) of a car of this
> type. It is at:
>  <A HREF="http://emiko.igcom.net/~b1939olds/index.htm">Oldsmobile Photo Links
> </A>
>
> Very pretty, but it is only a front qtr view, so not much shows of the fine
> lines that I appreciate so much. If anyone on the list can point me to photos
> of these torpedo-bodied GMs, I'd appreciate it, even if they aren't Olds.

Don,
Check out: http://www.442.com/hartfelder.html  Even though it's a 4
door, I've admired this one for some time.

Also check out: http://www.442.com/capriglione.html

Good Luck!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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