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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, August 12 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1422



Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Richard Petty HotWheels Oldsmobile
lookin 4 mirrors
67rollingchassis
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Tony Moore's resto
Re: MSD Distributor
Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's
Re: MSD Distributor
UNBOUNCE: Tony Moore's Resto
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
G-body sunvisors/Quad4
Re: MSD Distributor
Your 1980 442
Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4
Re: Convertible Water Leak
Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4
1962 Olds 98 rocker mouldings wanted
Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4
WTB: 66 Wire Wheel Covers?
Confirming Exhaust Selections
Re:  Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections
Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections
1967 442 Differential
Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections
Re: power brake question
Toronado Graveyard!
Toronadop Grave Yard!
UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard
UNBOUNCE: '67 4-4-2 Differential
UNBOUNCE: ISO '62 98 Rocker Molding
Ad:     re your web site
Added another one to my collection
Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Re: power brake question
Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Re: Distributor Woes
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Re-Radiator 56 Olds
64 F85 Cutlass body tag decoding
Woodward Cruise 8/15
Re: Distributor Woes
RE: Attention Q-jet gurus
source for 69 H/O emblems?
RE: 1986 VIN 9
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Re: Distributor Woes
Re: HP question
RE: Attention Q-jet gurus
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
RE: Confirming Exhaust Selections
Re: source for 69 H/O emblems?
Re: Woodward Cruise 8/15
Re: HP question
Re: UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:21:37 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

I found the same thing.  My wheels were terribly out of balance.  I had
them balanced twice after restoration and was getting real annoyed at
the "shake rattle and roll".  Finally found a shop who told me about
this typical Olds problem and balanced them to perfection and was
reasonably priced.  Much more pleasant to drive now.

Wayne Schwartz
69 442 convertible.

KASOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have worked in a tire shop for 5 years, and I have found that Oldsmobile
> rally rims are a pain to balance.  The center of the rims are not always true
> to the rim because of the way that it sticks out.  There is an adapter
> available to balance wheels by centering the stud holes.  The problem is that
> these adapters are not cheap, and most tire shops do not have one.  If you 
can
> find a shop that does that would be your best bet.
> Keith 1970 442

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:38:22 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Richard Petty HotWheels Oldsmobile

I was in a novelty store today, in their toy department.  Was walking
down the aisle and immediately saw the shape of a '57 Olds.  When I
looked closer, it was all done up in stock-car trim.  The box was
HotWheels and it was a Richard Petty racing set.  One of the other cars
in the box was one of his more recent Pontiacs, I think.  Didn't look
closely at the third car, but I'm thinking now this may have been the
mid '70s Cutlass he used to run.  Set ran about $22.  Anybody else seen
them?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:40:43 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: lookin 4 mirrors

     I know that my car didn't origionally come with side mirrors, but I would
like to add some from the late 50's or earlier 60's.  Anybody got any OLDS
mirrors (chrome only) that might work?  Junk yards around here are turning up
any that I like (either poor quality or wrong make)  They wouldn't have to be
Olds I guess but it sure would be nice.  Obviously origionality isn't an issue
here...also looking for rocket emblems for the trunk. ( the car isn't a super
88 but will kinda look like one when I'm done)

TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:44:09 -0700
From: "Dave Van Loon" <toolmanv@netins.net>
Subject: 67rollingchassis

I have both a 67' conv., and h.t. the h.t. az. car. the conv. colorado. both
no front clip. both need to go to good home.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brett Wilson <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor


>nothing, that's what i want........?!?
>
>
>>Whats the matter with an external coil type?
>>
>>>I really prefer the external coil type.
>>>any help or comments are appreciated.
>>
>>Todd Morris
>>71 442
>
>did I miss something?
>
>Brett Wilson
>67 Cutlass Conv.
>looking for 67 non convertible rolling chassis or whole car if cheep
enough.
>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:18:35 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

Ed Binnix wrote:

	...it's tricky to mount SSIII's as well as SSII's on a balancer.

	,snip>
	Then Keith (KASOLDS@aol.com) wrote:
There is an adapter available to balance wheels by centering the stud
holes.  The problem is that these adapters are not cheap, and most tire
shops do not have one.  If you can find a shop that does that would be
your best bet.

Thanks, guys.  I've printed out both of your posts to keep in my car
file.  Whenever I need a set of tires, I'll be sure to remind a friend
who works at a local tire center of these points you made.

Later,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442  <with those hard to balance SSIII's!

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html
	

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:42:49 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Tony Moore's resto

All,

I finally got a moment to scan/post the pictures that Tony Moore sent me of his
frame off resto on his vintage Rocket 88!!

I had to scan these as I'm sure Tony is waiting for his pictures to be sent 
back
(they will be on the way Tony!)

View these in order as they are in sequence as the project progressed.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-1.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-2.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-3.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-4.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-5.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-6.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-7.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-8.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-9.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-10.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-11.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-12.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-13.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-14.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-15.jpg

Enjoy!

Sparky


- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:40:20 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor

Brett Wilson wrote:

> Because I want the best i can get just short of Magneeto.
> Some like big cams... I like big ignitions... hehe

Big?  Check out the Mallory Comp9000 distributor. While your at it get a
Mallory Hy-fire IV box and a nifty Mallory liquid filled coil.  Check it at..

http://www.en.com/users/olds442/674422.jpg

Ken

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:38:21 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's

At 06:32 PM 8/11/98 -0400, you wrote:
>  Absolutely.  All my experiences with Fusicks have been positive.  Smart
>guys, good products, good service.  Now, if only they would do something
>about the prices........  Peter.
>

Honestly, I've found Fuscks to be comperable to other mail order company
prices.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:04:11 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor

>
>Big?  Check out the Mallory Comp9000 distributor. While your at it get a
>Mallory Hy-fire IV box and a nifty Mallory liquid filled coil.  Check it at..

really nice engine :)

what did the ignition set up run moneywise?

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:22:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Tony Moore's Resto

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Tony Moore's resto

I finally got a moment to scan/post the pictures that Tony Moore sent me
of his frame off resto on his vintage Rocket 88!!

I had to scan these as I'm sure Tony is waiting for his pictures to be
sent back (they will be on the way Tony!)

View these in order as they are in sequence as the project progressed.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-1.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-2.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-3.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-4.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-5.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-6.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-7.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-8.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-9.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-10.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-11.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-12.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-13.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-14.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/56-88-15.jpg

Enjoy!

Sparky


- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:23:58 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

Tom, Ed & Doug,

Ever since I got my 442 in April, there's been a slight
vibration in the car...nothing really serious, but it could be
felt in the steering wheel, and seat.

The local Olds dealer looked at it and rebalanced the tires,
and it helped, but didn't eliminate the problem.

Tuesday, got my four new chrome SSIII rims put on, and had
it done by a competent tire changer. Turns out one of my
Goodyear tires is "heavy" on one side. Still with the right
balancer, and a experienced mechanic, he was able to
balance the tire out. The car probably hasn't driven this
smooth since it was new.

One thing to remember though, especially for those with
chrome rims, is to make sure they static balance the wheels.
Nothing worse than having ugly lead weights on the outside
of the rims. I was shocked when the Olds dealer did it that
way.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:38:47 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: G-body sunvisors/Quad4

i was shopping in the boneyard today and i stumbled over a '90 HO quad 4
cutlass.  well, i thought it was kinda cool looking so i go over and take a
look inside and found a nice looking leather interior.  looking at the
sunvisors, i saw they had the lights in them and im thinking they would look
great in my '78 cutlass.  does anyone know if the mounting holes and brackets
would work in my car?  i know this is probably a longshot, but someone on here
has a ('81 i believe) cutlass with a bunch of nifty mods on it and i figured
he might know.  seems like the car is called the "Rockit".  any ideas would be
great, thanks.
jeremy

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:51:17 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor

>really nice engine :)
>
>what did the ignition set up run moneywise?


I'm guessing around 350 for the ignition box, distributor and coil.
The motor was in my 67 442 convertible.  A tad too radical for the street.
I'm putting the motor in a 78 cutlass racer at the moment, should weigh alot
less than that 67 boat.  Will snap some pictures soon showing afew new motor
mods.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:55:24 -0600
From: neil mason <foresight@nucleus.com>
Subject: Your 1980 442

Hi Jason

I visited your web site today, while searching for information on a 1980
Cutlass 442 {Gold on Black} that I just bought. It has 55,000 miles, and
was bought from the original owner. It is in very good condition, save for
a minor fender bender at the right front hood and fender which has a poor
repair job.

I have sent for the car info from GM historical services { I'm in Canada}
but I was just wondering where you got  the info that there were 886 of
these cars made.

I was also wondering if you know of a source for the W 30 decals on the
front fender and the pinstripping between the two body colors. {For when I
re-paint the car}

I hope to talk to you, to share any info Re: these cars

Thanks

Neil Mason

1972 Cutlass S 442  (Being restored)
1972 Cutlass Supreme 4 Door (13,700 Original miles)
1980 Cutlass Calais W30 442

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:00:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4

- ---BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
i know this is probably a longshot, but someone on here
> has a ('81 i believe) cutlass with a bunch of nifty mods on it and i
figured
> he might know.  seems like the car is called the "Rockit".  any
ideas would be
- ---The guy you seek is the "OLDSMAGNET"
        buehner@lyrea.com

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:17:35 EDT
From: <JCutlass@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Water Leak

Check the channel under the beltline ( the opening in front of the trunk lid
that the top folds into) Any water the drains off the rear window and finds it
way into that crack is supposed to end up in this channel and runs forward,
around the hinges for the top and dumps into the side panels just in front of
the rear wheel wells. There should be drainage holes at the underside of the
body panels. These are probably clogged up. You may have to take off the
inside armrests in the backseat and get into the access panels like your going
to work on the rear side window mechanisms. Flashlite and vacumn cleaner
should clear out any debris. You might also go head first into the trunk, on
your back and feel along that channel to see if its cracked or broken, but it
curves way around and is gonna be tuff to reach clear to the sides. Found all
this out trying to redo my top. email me if you got any questions, I'll try to
help.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:20:40 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4

In a message dated 8/11/98 11:04:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
super442@yahoo.com writes:

<< ---The guy you seek is the "OLDSMAGNET"
         buehner@lyrea.com >>
thanks, dude	

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:31:18 EDT
From: <GRAVA@aol.com>
Subject: 1962 Olds 98 rocker mouldings wanted

1962 Olds 98 rocker mouldings wanted - grava@aol

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:44:21 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: G-body sunvisors/Quad4

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:
>
> i was shopping in the boneyard today and i stumbled over a '90 HO quad 4
> cutlass.  well, i thought it was kinda cool looking so i go over and take a
> look inside and found a nice looking leather interior.  looking at the
> sunvisors, i saw they had the lights in them and im thinking they would look
> great in my '78 cutlass.  does anyone know if the mounting holes and brackets
> would work in my car?

I would say, grab the mounting equipment, and the visors, and give it a
try.

That's how I've figured a bunch of cool mods out....

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:50:00 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: WTB: 66 Wire Wheel Covers?

Anybody have a set of 4 really nice 3 spinner
wire wheel covers for the Starfire? Or can anyone
recommend a vendor? Which ones should I
avoid?

TIA

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:49:59 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Confirming Exhaust Selections

Starfire reported to be coming back from the body shop on Friday.

So, in this car there is a basically stock 455, TH4-400 with a switch
pitch and factory duals. Qjet on top, I'm debating the 780 holley as in
the other car.

Question is, what do I put behind the factory dual exhaust?

Can someone tell me whether there is a 2.00", 2.25" or 2.5" as the
factory solution?

I'm going to put in new stuff since it's too loud and missing the
factory
resonators. From previous exhaust related posts, I gather that the
best low restriction quiet solution is flowmaster 3 chamber mufflers and
then route
the pipes through the resonators.

Will the resonators restrict flow too? Do any of you have suggestions
for mufflers that will be less restrictive than stock and also quiet?

I want this car to be pretty unobtrusive, except when I stand on it.

Look forward to your thoughts.

TIA,
cf

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:59:11 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

I'd like to thank the list for all the SSIII, balancing info I was begining to
think it was nature of the beast! I'm buying tires this week gonna stay on top
of it.
Thanks Again,
JJP442@aol.com
1987 442
1983 HURST OLDS

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:04:40 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections

In a message dated 8/11/98 11:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cfair@FairIsaac.com writes:

<< I'm going to put in new stuff since it's too loud and missing the
 factory
 resonators. From previous exhaust related posts, I gather that the
 best low restriction quiet solution is flowmaster 3 chamber mufflers and
 then route
 the pipes through the resonators.

 Will the resonators restrict flow too? Do any of you have suggestions
 for mufflers that will be less restrictive than stock and also quiet?

 I want this car to be pretty unobtrusive, except when I stand on it.

 Look forward to your thoughts. >>

my dads '67 442 with the 455 has stock type 2 1/4" exhaust pipes but instead
of using the factory mufflers he got some dynomax super turbos (or something
like that).  these are the ones that are filled with fiberglass and are
straight thru.  you can look straight through the muffler, but its the exact
same dimensions as the stock mufflers.  anyways, these buggers are sooooooo
quiet its crazy!!!!!!	 sounds about the same as a new tahoe truck or 
something
like that.  stand behind a new tahoe with the 5.7l engine and thats about how
loud this 455 is.  and surely the mufflers are not restrictive, being straight
through and all.......  good luck
jeremy

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:12:53 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections

In a message dated 98-08-11 23:50:54 EDT, you write:

<< I'm going to put in new stuff since it's too loud and missing the
 factory
 resonators. From previous exhaust related posts, I gather that the
 best low restriction quiet solution is flowmaster 3 chamber mufflers and
 then route
 the pipes through the resonators.

 Will the resonators restrict flow too? Do any of you have suggestions
 for mufflers that will be less restrictive than stock and also quiet?

 I want this car to be pretty unobtrusive, except when I stand on it.

 Look forward to your thoughts.

 TIA,
 cf
  >>

     Think I will throw my thoughts/observations in on this subject! According
to some recent literature I received where studies were conducted to check the
flow rates of exhaust systems, after a few feet of pipe (after the cat. on a
newer vehicle) Exhaust flow has substantially slowed, allowing smaller
diameter exhaust to be used without much penalty (which should also apply to
things such as mufflers/resonators(?). The smaller diameter pipe, generally,
the quieter the car. From 3" exhaust to 2.5" exhaust was determined to produce
some change, but unless racing, probably unnnoticeable.
     I know someone who has dual Flowmaster 2 chambers on a  350 chev, wild
cam, and high compression. That car is loud at idle, and deafening under
acceleration. The 3 chambers are supposed to be quieter. I, personally, would
go with maybe up to 3" on an Olds motor, to get that deep tone that means
power : ) I wouldn't want two chambers I think, because I have seen people
pulled over here, that have gotten tickets for defective/modified exhaust with
the 2 chamber flowmasters. You don't need to be giving police excuses to pull
you over I bet.  Dorian

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:16:23 -0700
From: "Chuck Cole" <coleboys@fbo.com>
Subject: 1967 442 Differential

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: SKEETONTHEBAY@webtv.net (George Swartz)
Subject: Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections

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hi, I have a 66 delta 88 w/425 low compression . the following was done,
dual exhaust ( factory dual manifolds) and dual chamber flowmasters (the
result was extermely throaty ALWAYS). After 1 year resonators were added
to the system with a tip of my choosing (it is quite a mellowing in tone
and i am quite happy with the sound). It ran about 525 between both
exhaust installations minus the manifolds.The work was done in santa
rosa ca by johnny franklin mufflers.
Good luck


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In a message dated 98-08-11 23:50:54 EDT, you write:

<< I'm going to put in new stuff since it's too loud and missing the
 factory
 resonators. From previous exhaust related posts, I gather that the
 best low restriction quiet solution is flowmaster 3 chamber mufflers and
 then route
 the pipes through the resonators.

 Will the resonators restrict flow too? Do any of you have suggestions
 for mufflers that will be less restrictive than stock and also quiet?

 I want this car to be pretty unobtrusive, except when I stand on it.

 Look forward to your thoughts.

 TIA,
 cf
  >>

     Think I will throw my thoughts/observations in on this subject! According
to some recent literature I received where studies were conducted to check the
flow rates of exhaust systems, after a few feet of pipe (after the cat. on a
newer vehicle) Exhaust flow has substantially slowed, allowing smaller
diameter exhaust to be used without much penalty (which should also apply to
things such as mufflers/resonators(?). The smaller diameter pipe, generally,
the quieter the car. From 3" exhaust to 2.5" exhaust was determined to produce
some change, but unless racing, probably unnnoticeable.
     I know someone who has dual Flowmaster 2 chambers on a  350 chev, wild
cam, and high compression. That car is loud at idle, and deafening under
acceleration. The 3 chambers are supposed to be quieter. I, personally, would
go with maybe up to 3" on an Olds motor, to get that deep tone that means
power : ) I wouldn't want two chambers I think, because I have seen people
pulled over here, that have gotten tickets for defective/modified exhaust with
the 2 chamber flowmasters. You don't need to be giving police excuses to pull
you over I bet.  Dorian

- --WebTV-Mail-1327095794-241--

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:48:19 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: power brake question

Yes sir  General  sir it sounds like your booster has been compromised

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:08:03 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Toronado Graveyard!

All Olds Lovers (Toro, Cutlass, 442, HO...et al)

The following are links to a RARE boneyard containing a plethora of parts for
Gen 1 Toro lovers!

This lot has been laying fallow for YEARS! It's just waiting for the right
person to keep it from the CRUSHER, which is literally a few days/months away!
What a shame!

I, myself, even with a with a consortium of two other Toro/Olds folk meansare
trying to save these cars and cannot work it out! The purchase of the lot is
CHEAP!!!!  The problem is, I (we, us) cannot either afford to transport or find
storage for these many cars (anywhere!).

I guess this is the last gasp for these Toronado souls before they become
recycled as beer cans, patio furniture or even worse....Toyota's! ):

Please... PLEASE! ...don't let this collection become crusher/smelter fodder!

We need an $Angel$ here!

Take a look!

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave1.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave2.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave3.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave4.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave5.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave6.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave7.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave8.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave9.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave10.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave11.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave12.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave13.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave14.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave15.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave16.jpg

Weep Weep! Sniff Sniff.....

Please contact me personally if you are interested!

Sparky );

- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:39:58 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Toronadop Grave Yard!

All Olds Lovers (Toro, Cutlass, 442, HO...et al)

The following are links to a RARE boneyard containing a plethora of parts for
Gen 1 Toro lovers!

This lot has been laying fallow for YEARS! It's just waiting for the right
person to keep it from the CRUSHER, which is literally a few days/months away!
What a shame!

I, myself, even with a with a consortium of two other Toro/Olds folk are trying
to save these cars, but cannot work it out! The purchase of the lot is 
CHEAP!!!!
The problem is, I (we, us) cannot afford to transport or find storage for these
many cars (anywhere!).

I guess this is the last gasp for these Toronado souls before they become
recycled as beer cans, patio furniture or even worse....Toyota's! ):

Please... PLEASE! ...don't let this collection become crusher/smelter fodder
bound!

We need an $Angel$ here!

Take a look! You will cry....

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave1.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave2.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave3.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave4.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave5.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave6.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave7.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave8.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave9.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave10.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave11.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave12.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave13.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave14.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave15.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave16.jpg

Weep Weep! Sniff Sniff.....

Please contact me personally if you are interested! I will forward any feedback
to Jack and Scott.

Sparky );

PS.....I am currently not on the Olds List.....so you MUST contact me 
privately!
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:09:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard

Not a list member, contact gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Toronadop Grave Yard!

All Olds Lovers (Toro, Cutlass, 442, HO...et al)

The following are links to a RARE boneyard containing a plethora of parts
for Gen 1 Toro lovers!

This lot has been laying fallow for YEARS! It's just waiting for the right
person to keep it from the CRUSHER, which is literally a few days/months
away! What a shame!

I, myself, even with a with a consortium of two other Toro/Olds folk are
trying to save these cars, but cannot work it out! The purchase of the lot
is CHEAP!!!!  The problem is, I (we, us) cannot afford to transport or
find storage for these many cars (anywhere!).

I guess this is the last gasp for these Toronado souls before they become
recycled as beer cans, patio furniture or even worse....Toyota's! ):

Please... PLEASE! ...don't let this collection become crusher/smelter
fodder bound!

We need an $Angel$ here!

Take a look! You will cry....

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave1.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave2.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave3.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave4.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave5.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave6.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave7.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave8.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave9.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave10.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave11.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave12.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave13.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave14.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave15.jpg
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave16.jpg

Weep Weep! Sniff Sniff.....

Please contact me personally if you are interested! I will forward any
feedback to Jack and Scott.

Sparky );

PS.....I am currently not on the Olds List.....so you MUST contact me 
privately!
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '67 4-4-2 Differential

Not on the list; contact coleboys@fbo.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Chuck Cole" <coleboys@fbo.com>
Subject: 1967 442 Differential

My mechanic says my axle is beyond repair...cannot find an axle anywhere =
 i now need a differential for my '67 442 (preferably posi) ratio not =
important

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:13:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO '62 98 Rocker Molding

Not on the list; reply to GRAVA@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<GRAVA@aol.com>
Subject: 1962 Olds 98 rocker mouldings wanted

1962 Olds 98 rocker mouldings wanted - grava@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:56:21 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Added another one to my collection

Well, last night I added a third car to my small collection.  I picked up
an '84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham, for only $100!!  I always seem to miss out
on deals like this and finally one came my way, so I grabbed it.  It's
pretty decent, grey in color with grey interior.  Paint is faded somewhat,
one small dent and very little rust.

It has a six cylinder that supposedly has something wrong with it, it does
smoke a little so  I think it might be a bad piston ring?  Would that lead
to oily crud in the radiator or would that be a blown head gasket?  It
didn't smoke enough for me to think its the head gasket.  It doesn't really
matter as my brother and I are going to swap the engine on this and make a
budget racer out of it.

I swapped in my battery from the '85 and if there was gas in the carb I
think it would have started on the first turn of the key after sitting for
a year!  Had a little trouble after that as the choke wouldn't open so I
propped that open with a stick and it started right up.  I let it run for a
few minutes, hosed it off, drove it to my house to show my mom and then
drove it to the garage I'm renting to let it sit until I can finish my '85.

Hopefully I can get it running for race season next year.

Just wanted to share my newest addition with you.

Bill Reilly
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'84 CSB
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:15 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

In a message dated 98-08-11 02:50:34 EDT, you write:

<< Fan clutches have a viscous fluid in them if they are bad the fluid will
leak
 out.Check the front of the clutch for signs of a leak before you replace it.
  >>

Good advice. Also  a bad clutch will "lock-up" the fan. See if fan turns
freely, if not replace the clutch.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:52:28 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: power brake question

In a message dated 98-08-11 07:41:39 EDT, you write:

<<  I replaced my master cylinder on my drum-drum PB 67' Cutlass.
 I know have a "whoosh" sound when I hit the brakes >>

General,
I just did the same and have the same sound, I think it's normal. I rememeber
when my dad bought a new  "62  Dynamic 88 it had the same sound. Be interewted
to hear other comments.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:07:23 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

i had a fan clutch lock up on my 72 442 enroute to connecticut (from
richmond, va) last november.  on the "lovely" jersey t-pike, i suddenly
heard what sounded like a high-powered vacuum cleaner.  i knew what it
was.  luckily, i was already aware that the clutch was on the way out,
so i had already bought a new one and had it sitting in the trunk.  it
would have driven me nuts to have had to hear that noise for 3 hours!!!


JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-08-11 02:50:34 EDT, you write:
>
> << Fan clutches have a viscous fluid in them if they are bad the fluid will
> leak
>  out.Check the front of the clutch for signs of a leak before you replace it.
>   >>
>
> Good advice. Also  a bad clutch will "lock-up" the fan. See if fan turns
> freely, if not replace the clutch.
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:11:55 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

Joe, Roger, Bob, Mike, thanks for the input. Problem solved! A friend with
a slide hammer removed the contrary contraption. It held on for four solid
hits then popped right out. One positive point was the fact that the oil
pump drive shaft stayed in the block. I was worried the drive shaft would
be as stuck to the distributor as the distributor was to the block. The
offending *adhesive* was varnish as Joe P. suggested. I'm glad the slide
hammer worked. If the problem escalated to the *Bob* option ;) the engine
would have been pulled and the list of might-as-wells would have grown
exponentially.

Thanks Again
Ray

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:16:25 EDT
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

In a message dated 98-08-11 18:46:56 EDT, you write:

<< I have worked in a tire shop for 5 years, and I have found that Oldsmobile
 rally rims are a pain to balance.  The center of the rims are not always true
 to the rim because of the way that it sticks out.  There is an adapter
 available to balance wheels by centering the stud holes.  The problem is that
 these adapters are not cheap, and most tire shops do not have one.  >>

FWIW Sears has them and can balance them for you.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:23:31 -0400
From: "Jeanne Laroche" <jlaroche@together.net>
Subject: Re-Radiator 56 Olds

We had the same problem of the radiator spilling over.  We changed the
thermastat to a 160 degree and added a spill jug.  We got it off an old
car.  Also, we had to buy a new radiator core, used the same top and
bottom, works great, with no spills.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:47 -0400
From: Craig MacDonald <craig@datacube.com>
Subject: 64 F85 Cutlass body tag decoding

Could anyone point me towards any information on decoding my cowl/body
tag?
Also,  any info on where I can find production numbers would be great.

Thanks,
Craig MacDonald
64 F85 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:36:58 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Woodward Cruise 8/15

Olds List,
		I sent this message out about the Woodward cruise (8/15), to 
all of
our local "Street Rocket people" and felt that there may be a number of
people from out of town that would like to attend. Here's some quick
numbers: 750,000-1,000,000 people, 35,000-50,000 cars, approximately a
35 mile loop of cruising.

                	Well, we have some good news about the Woodward cruise,
I know that this is cutting it a little close but, better late then
never. We have about 12 spots at Gage Oldsmobile's used car lot (9 Mile
& Woodward). Now for the great news! ..........there is NO COST........
>From what I understand, GM executives (Oldsmobile-Darwin Clark, etc..)
will also be at the dealership with there own personal cars, plus
raffling off a new Alero. Gage Oldsmobile is very excited about us being
there. This will be good publicity for Gage Olds, Oldsmobile Division
and us, so lets make this a safe and fun turn out. This might be our IN
for next year!
        These are the details below:

                        . Place: Gage Olds
                        .Time:  10:30am Saturday morning the lot gate
will open
                        . Bring your own refreshments
                        . Rest rooms are available in the dealer
                        . Bring you own food

        Now for Friday night (8/14). A number of you have been inquiring
about cruising that evening. This will probably be the only time that
you will be able to drive it. Because of all the info above that I gave
out I would like to scope it out that evening. If we can be in that area
a round 8:00pm (Taco Bell by the dealership) that would be a good place
to meet and then cruise. Remember the gates to the dealership will be
locked and we can not drive in until Saturday morning at 10:30.  There
is also LIMITED parking behind the dealer for NON show cars (chevys,
fords, etc...).

        See ya there!
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:36:52 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

> Now I have the extremely undesirable two part distributor
> housing.
> _____________
>
> Sorry to hear about that, Ray.  I thought I was the only idiot who did
> that.

Nope.  Looks like there's three of us Joe. :)
_________________

Scary...It must be a Virginia thing...   ;-)

=================

...prying with two 24 ounce claw hammers....
_________________

Boy, does that sound familiar!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:37:49 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Attention Q-jet gurus

The triple taper are from some experimental ones that only Olds played
with.  They ended up seeing no great value for power, etc., so they were
dropped in favor of the standard dual taper.  It was for emissions
primarily, to keep the fuel mix more stable.

You must measure the length, the older 4M series used slightly shorter
rods than the M4 series (73 on) and they are not interchangeable.

If memory serves, the triple taper were 1969 only.  And Olds only, seems
Olds is GM guinea pig for carb/FI.  Hence the 350 Port FI (but in a
Cad), the computer carb/ECM in the 77 Toro, etc.  Olds got some special
carbs for the 76 88/98 models, with 3 rods.  One is the Aux power
piston, again, with the advent of ECM control, they were deemed
unneeded.  Oh well, GM learns from Olds!

Get the Rochester Carb book from HP Books by Doug Roe, worth every
penny!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:43:45 -0400
From: "Shokouhi, Mike" <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
Subject: source for 69 H/O emblems?

Hi all,

I asked this a while ago, but I have not had any luck.  Berjinks has had
some '69 H/O emblems on back order for over 2 months.  Since these are
the last pieces I need to finish the car, does anyone know of another
source?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Mike Shokouhi

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:45:01 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 1986 VIN 9

>VIN: 1g3gk4796gp392942 (anybody can decipher the whole vin???)
>Carb: 17086009

1  US
G  GM made (Others are Suzuki, Toyota, that Korean joke of a Tempest...)
3  Olds
K47, Cutlass G-Body (the 7 is 2 dr, like my W87 Trans AM, the T37
Pontiacs, etc)
9  HO 307
6  Check digit I think
G  1986
P  Where built, ???? Mich?  Someone will have to look that one up
392942  Sequnce number

If anyone has a GM riceburner, check out the differences.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:45:18 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

...don't know that it's tricky to mount SSIII's as well as SSII's
on a balancer....center cone on those wheels are very small...
________________

I assume here that you're talking about the SSIIIs with the snap-in
centers.  The earlier ones with bolt-on centers have a normal size pilot
hole in the center.

================

...Most of all SUPERVISE...
________________

Amen to that!  Two SSII/III horror stories:

First, I took my car into a large tire chain in SoCal to have some BFG T/As
mounted.  Joe Tire Mounter pulls the wheels off the car and proceeds to
start prying on the center cap to remove it (note that customers are not
supposed to be in the service bay).  I was watching this and ran screaming
out into the bay to point out to this gorilla that they were _bolt on_
centers.

Second, different tire store, different set of SSIIIs, get the tires
mounted, watching "technician" balance the tire.  I let him completely
balance it and get the weights hammered on, then I pointed out that he had
not removed the _old_ balance weights first!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:51:50 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

gee, i hope it isn't contagious, being here in richmond and all.  i had
a close call getting my original distributor out a couple years ago, but
everything worked out.


Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> > Now I have the extremely undesirable two part distributor
> > housing.
> > _____________
> >
> > Sorry to hear about that, Ray.  I thought I was the only idiot who did
> > that.
>
> Nope.  Looks like there's three of us Joe. :)
> _________________
>
> Scary...It must be a Virginia thing...   ;-)
>
> =================
>
> ...prying with two 24 ounce claw hammers....
> _________________
>
> Boy, does that sound familiar!
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:58:21 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: HP question

"Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net> wrote:
> I thought that the TH400 took up 25 HP.  In looking at 1968 specs, the
> non-autotranny 442s had 350 HP and the automatics had 325 HP.  I would
> guess that the TH400 took 25 HP.  I could be wrong. (Be gentle if I am
:-)

*******************
No Chris, remember that 1968 was back when the horsepower ratings were
still gross horsepower, as measured on an engine dyno.   Therefore the
transmission and the horsepower it consumed were not involved in the
measurement or considered in the rating.  If you check the 1968
specifications again, I'm sure you'll note that the 325 horse engine for
automatic equipped cars had a different camshaft than the 350 horse manual
transmission engine.  I don't recall, but there may have been differences
in the heads as well.  Anyway, that's what's responsible for the difference
and not the extra power it takes to make a THM400 transmission work.
Gentle enough?

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:57:42 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Attention Q-jet gurus

>
>Get the Rochester Carb book from HP Books by Doug Roe, worth every
>penny!
>

I've got the book. It lists the triple tapers for 1970 Olds only, and
does not list "47C" rods. I just have a curiousity as to what these were
for.



Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:53:32 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

One thing to remember though, especially for those with
chrome rims, is to make sure they static balance the wheels.
Nothing worse than having ugly lead weights on the outside
of the rims. I was shocked when the Olds dealer did it that
way.
______________

While having the balance weights on the outside may look ugly, it really is
required to properly balance the wheel dynamically.  Static balance only
balances in the plane of the tire, which is certainly the largest imbalance
effect, however a side-to-side imbalance will not be taken out this way and
can still lead to a noticeable vibration.  Obviously you have to make the
decision for yourself - looks or balance.

Note that by no means am I saying that you'll always need weights on the
outside.  In many cases an acceptable balance can be obtained with inside
weights only.  I just wanted to point out that if the balancer says you
need them on the outside, you have to decide which is more important.  Of
course, you could always try to get the tire guy to dismount the tire and
rotate it on the rim to try and better match the two up.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:08:38 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: Confirming Exhaust Selections

I have to say that we(Olds Lovers in Northern California) are spoiled by
Johnny Franklin and I do not think other folks on the list even have an idea
of the craftsmanship of these guys.  Every system I have gotten done by this
shop has good clean minimal bends and never leaks!!  They also have been
doing Flowmaster systems for longer than any place that I know of. Oh well
this is my two cents!

Corey Day
dayc@ix.netcom.com
www.netcom.com/~dayc/

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of George Swartz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:52 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Confirming Exhaust Selections
>
>
> hi, I have a 66 delta 88 w/425 low compression . the following was done,
> dual exhaust ( factory dual manifolds) and dual chamber flowmasters (the
> result was extermely throaty ALWAYS). After 1 year resonators were added
> to the system with a tip of my choosing (it is quite a mellowing in tone
> and i am quite happy with the sound). It ran about 525 between both
> exhaust installations minus the manifolds.The work was done in santa
> rosa ca by johnny franklin mufflers.
> Good luck
>
>

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:52 EDT
From: <Jon442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: source for 69 H/O emblems?

In a message dated 8/12/98 8:45:52 AM EST, ShokouhM@nasd.com writes:

<< I asked this a while ago, but I have not had any luck.  Berjinks has had
 some '69 H/O emblems on back order for over 2 months.  Since these are
 the last pieces I need to finish the car, does anyone know of another
 source? >>

I bought some emblems at the OCA swap meet from The Parts Place. They are
metal, not plastic, but they look good. I don't have their phone number, but
they are located in Batavia, IL.

Jon

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:38:55 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Woodward Cruise 8/15

Mark Cornea (R) wrote:

> raffling off a new Alero. Gage Oldsmobile is very excited about us being
> there. This will be good publicity for Gage Olds, Oldsmobile Division

I am quite jealous that so much enthusiasm for car cruises/eventsoutside of
California (Ok So. Cal).  I would like to attend car shows/cruises like those
that people on this list talk about.  Unfortunately in So. Cal. none of this
camaraderie seems to occur. :-(

Oh well, I am through bitching about it.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:42 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: HP question

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:

> No Chris, remember that 1968 was back when the horsepower ratings were
> still gross horsepower, as measured on an engine dyno.   Therefore the
> transmission and the horsepower it consumed were not involved in the
> measurement or considered in the rating.  If you check the 1968
> specifications again, I'm sure you'll note that the 325 horse engine for
> automatic equipped cars had a different camshaft than the 350 horse manual

I wondered why they did this?  If I were to rebuild my automatic and putin a
less mild camshaft, would I have problems?

> transmission engine.  I don't recall, but there may have been differences
> in the heads as well.  Anyway, that's what's responsible for the difference

I don't know about this since I have "C" heads and they seemed to be usedon
non-auto, non-W300 442s.

> and not the extra power it takes to make a THM400 transmission work.

So effectively if the THM400 takes 60 HP then I have roughly 265 HP.  Yuck!

> Gentle enough?

I feel faint! :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:03:43 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard

I looked, I cried, Arrggghh! I'm not a Toro guy, but in the least, ALL OF
THOSE BIG BLOCKS! ALL OF THOSE 6 QUART PANS! AARRRGGGHHHHH! SOMEONE SAVE
'EM!

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:14 AM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard


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>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:09:34 -0300 (ADT)
>From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
>To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: UNBOUNCE: Toro Graveyard
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>Not a list member, contact gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com if interested.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
>Subject: Toronadop Grave Yard!
>
>All Olds Lovers (Toro, Cutlass, 442, HO...et al)
>
>The following are links to a RARE boneyard containing a plethora of parts
>for Gen 1 Toro lovers!
>
>This lot has been laying fallow for YEARS! It's just waiting for the right
>person to keep it from the CRUSHER, which is literally a few days/months
>away! What a shame!
>
>I, myself, even with a with a consortium of two other Toro/Olds folk are
>trying to save these cars, but cannot work it out! The purchase of the lot
>is CHEAP!!!!  The problem is, I (we, us) cannot afford to transport or
>find storage for these many cars (anywhere!).
>
>I guess this is the last gasp for these Toronado souls before they become
>recycled as beer cans, patio furniture or even worse....Toyota's! ):
>
>Please.. PLEASE! ...don't let this collection become crusher/smelter
>fodder bound!
>
>We need an $Angel$ here!
>
>Take a look! You will cry....
>
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave1.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave2.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave3.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave4.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave5.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave6.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave7.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave8.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave9.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave10.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave11.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave12.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave13.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave14.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave15.jpg
>http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/grave16.jpg
>
>Weep Weep! Sniff Sniff.....
>
>Please contact me personally if you are interested! I will forward any
>feedback to Jack and Scott.
>
>Sparky );
>
>PS.....I am currently not on the Olds List.....so you MUST contact me
privately!
>--
>Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
>Toronado Chapter Webmaster
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
>Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
>http://www.Toronado.org
>
>

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