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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 8 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1469



Re: Newbie's test and bio
Re: Welcome! was: Newbie's bio
unsubscribe
Re: f/s 4 car garage (with house)
? 1972 W-29?
Re: ? 1972 W-29?
Re: ? 1972 W-29?
RE: 72 cutlass supreme 2/d ht
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
Re: '69 442 colors and stripes
Cutlasses Galore
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Hedders
Re: Rochester Jet Sizes Old = New?
Re: 455
cam question 455
Re: cam question 455
Re: v.c.  parts
Jets
Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.
Re: v.c.  parts
Grille for '86 Supreme
Re: The General's store
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.
Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.
Re: Newbie's test and bio
Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.
Cars and baseball guys
Re: Bucket seat request
Re: Olds Aircraft Engine
Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.
Re: Cars and baseball guys
unsubscribe
Worked on the 70 S this weekend.
Who has 70 paint chart/codes?
New burnout pic
Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.
86 Salon....springs
facts books
Re: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?
Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.
Re: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?
Oil Pump Access?
ralley pack
drag strip question
Re: drag strip question
Re: drag strip question
Re: drag strip question
Busting knuckles
Decal Part #, Anyone?
Re: drag strip question
Re: Busting knuckles
Re: Busting knuckles
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re:  adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78
(no subject)
Re: 455 Motors
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re:  86 Salon....springs
Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?
How do I unsubscribe?
parts for sale
Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?
Re:  Decal Part #, Anyone?
Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?
Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)
Lauren Engineering???
Re: Lauren Engineering???
Re: Oil Pump Access?
Re: drag strip question
Re: Cars and baseball guys
Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.
paging stan
Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
Re: v.c.  parts
Re: drag strip question
Re: The General's store
who is running a holley or edelbrock?

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:39:15 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie's test and bio

In a message dated 9/7/98
 10:<BR06:<BR44 AM Central Daylight Tim, old442@erols.com writes:

> Check out: http://www.442.com/hartfelder.html  Even though it's a 4
>  door, I've admired this one for some time.
>
>  Also check out: http://www.442.com/capriglione.html

Kurt,

Both very pretty. I had come across those in my search. The ones I am
interested in are about 10 years newer, and have a particular torpedo look. I
believe that the torpedo bodies were made only in 2 dr but I am not sure. If
anyone has information about the post war 40s cars, I'd sure like to talk
about them.

Cheers/carron

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:50:08 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Welcome! was: Newbie's bio

Karl,

Yes, I'll answer to Don, McDonald, Carron, Speed, or Speedcom. thanks for the
fine reply. I took a look at Soylent...I remember liking those cars a lot;
they are nearly bullet proof. My mom had a 78 (I think) that word most of the
roads out around her home and was still going strong when she traded it for a
Camaro  :-)

I am not familiar with the 29 Patrician that you mentioned, but no, the car
I'm interested in is definitely post war. I really like the older ones as
well, but when you find "your" car, nothing else will do :-)

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:54:17 -0400
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe oldsmobile "Chris Kugler" <talcarol@erie.net>

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:08:55 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: f/s 4 car garage (with house)

To bad there is a house that goes with it,  it would make for a perfect
home for me.


Rob




> From: W-MACHINES <wmachine@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: f/s 4 car garage (with house)
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:49 AM
>
> In Wickliffe Ohio (east suburb of Cleveland)
> 4-car detached garage with:
> All concrete grease pit
> 220
> Gas overhead heater
> Steel beam support (for hoist support)
> Overhead storage.
> Workbench
> Many outlets
> House is 4-bdrm Bungalow, 2-1/2 bath, central air, finished basement
> (presently an Olds museum)
>
> Am building a new house, expect to be in by March, '99.
>
> Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
> Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
> '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
> '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
> '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:08:36 -0400
From: "Brian McVay" <bigmacattack@qtm.net>
Subject: ? 1972 W-29?

I have an opporrtunity to go look at a 1972 442 W-29 4-Speed?

I checked the FAQ sites and I could find no such listing for a 442.  The
owner claims that only 950 such cars were manufactured.

If you have info for verification or a opinion on the subject, please post
responce.

Big Mac in St. Jo. MI

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:34:41 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: ? 1972 W-29?

W-29 option is just the 442 appearance and handling package for 1972.  Not
sure where he got the 950 #.  Must be from the 4-speed option.  Page 50 in
Oldsmobile Muscle Cars list the follow #'s for W-29 options:  ht coupe 751, s
club coupe 123, s ht coupe 7800, and s conv 1171.  hope this helps.  David

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:38:53 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: ? 1972 W-29?

In a message dated 9/7/98 12:14:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bigmacattack@qtm.net writes:

<<
 I have an opporrtunity to go look at a 1972 442 W-29 4-Speed?

 I checked the FAQ sites and I could find no such listing for a 442.  The
 owner claims that only 950 such cars were manufactured.

 If you have info for verification or a opinion on the subject, please post
 responce.

 Big Mac in St. Jo. MI

  >>
     The W-29 option number in 1972 was "442 appearance and handling package"
1971 was the last year that 442 was a seperate car.


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:35:28 -0400
From: Todd Williams <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: RE: 72 cutlass supreme 2/d ht

At 06:09 PM 9/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Well I'm not much of an expert on auto body work so I can't help
>you there but as far as the gen light on your car you might try
>replacing the voltage regulator.  I had the same problem on my
>'72 awhile back and after checking practically everything umder
>the hood trying to get that light off it ended up being the
>voltage regulator.  There pretty cheap so if nothing else works
>it's worth a try!!
>
>Jon
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
>
>>===== Original Message From oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca =====
>>hey guys couple of ? for ya
>>1: how hard is it to put on a Vinyl Top my car had one back then and i want
>>one on it now also what about the trim/molding that went around it is that
>>hard to find and or get some one point me in the right direction please
>>
>>2:ok another thing is that trim thats above the doors may be called drip
>>moldeing but not sure is that hard get  and replaced not sure but by
>>looking at it looks like it welded on to the roof would like to replace it
>>if i can it sure is beated up and doesnt have that good shine it any more
>>
>>3:  ok i put a new alternator on and a starter when i got the car the dummy
>>light was on (GEN) so i put new one on and the light is still on so i
>>thought id take off the + cable side going to the battery to see if the car
>>would shut off and it did anyone have any ideas to what the problem is ? i
>>sure dont from the looks of it its running off the battery ??
>>
>>4: ok last one sorry .... is it possible to take out the dummy lights and
>>replace with new gauges also have the extra place where the clock goes
>>because mine didnt come with one ??
>
>

hey thanks a lot Jon i did get a new voltage regulator and it fix it i
didnt even think about that.. thanks agian btw $11.99 also rite its cheap
to fix also

Todd
72 cutlass supreme

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:17:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

> In a message dated 9/7/98 12:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, grpruett@vt.edu
> writes:
>
>  > ----I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
>  > there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?

Tons of them up here... maybe even a majority. A/C was fairly uncommon to
order here until not that many years ago. And our federal govt. even
places a $100 excise tax on cars with A/C -- originally supposed to be a
discouragement to order it during the energy crisis, but everyone knows
it's just another tax grab... :(

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:22:40 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

Yeah, see them all the time and I have several in the salvageyard now.  Also
have a non A/C 86 Cutlass with a Buick 455, no firewall or heaterbox cover mods
done.

Jason


> > ----I've never seen one without A/C...now I'm curious too!!Anybody out
> > there EVER seen a G-body without A/C?

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 98 13:22:10 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: '69 442 colors and stripes

At 06:02 PM 9/6/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Group-
>My '69 442 convert is about done with all the bodywork--repro qtrs worked very
>well BTW, resurrecting an old thread--and I'm ready to paint. Original color
>is Saffron yellow and I don't like it. DO like Sebring yellow, ala the Rallye
>350.
>
>Was Sebring yellow available on the '69? My paint code charts show it as a '70
>color, but also say that it was avail in '69. True?
>
>Next question is to ask for rec's and sources for the patterns/tapes? for the
>hood stripes. If these were painted, who has the templates for sale? Comments
>on quality? If tape, where available, and similarly would appreciate any
>comments on fit and function and cost.
>

   Hi Peter,

       Can't help out on paint color but awhile ago I got a hold of a body
manual drawing for location of the hood stripes for my '69 4-4-2 (HC).  I
would think they would be the same for the convert as well.  Anyway I got it
from someone on the list but can't remember who it was right now.  I can
send it to you if you would like. I have it in a .jpg format which is 364KB
in size.  I didn't want to just go ahead and send it as an attachment to
this e-mail without knowing whether or not it's size would cause you
problems.  Let me know if you want me to send it to you.


 Glenn     gpc442@buffnet.net
 '69 4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:27:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Cutlasses Galore

Yesterday a few of us got together for an outing -- a total of 7
Cutlasses went cruising. Included were:

my '68 S
'69 S Convertible
'70 Supreme SX
'70 Supreme Convertible
'71 Supreme SX
'71 Supreme Convertible
'72 4-4-2 W-30 4-speed

This last car was new to me, and is very nice... red (what is the name of
the '72 red? It's pretty), white buckets, SSIIIs, needs only some minor
details.

We cruised around the area and drew some comments. As the oldest car in
the bunch, I got to lead the cruising and it was a great sight to look in
the rearview and see that train of Cutlasses behind me. Went to one of the
local Olds dealers for a few pics, it was like our own little car show.
Only downer was that we had planned to go to Peggy's Cove when we
originally planned this, but with the Swissair tragedy that was of course
no longer possible. But still it was a nice day all in all, wrapped up
with a bbq and some good cheer.

This might be the start of a Cutlass club in these parts. Hope so. There
are a few around here that I'd like to get to know better...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:14:50 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

Barney wrote:
> Subject: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
> Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 7:43 PM

Barney, No thanks required. I'm just a rank beginner when it comes to
planes, but wouldn't it be a tad nose heavy. Might need to extend the
fuselage and move the tailplane back to retain the center of gravity, even
relocate the wings rearward a few feet. Heck of a project if you can get it
done. Also need dual ignition, as in NASCAR. Thats piece of cake, but dual
spark plugs? You could get a cam grinder, for a hefty price to design a cam
to bring the power curve down to where you want it, but then your into
increasing fuel and air velocity to obtain the correct mixture for that
RPM, smaller intake runners, small valves, many changes. Heck, move to St.
Louis, lets built it. Winter's coming. I'm a reasonable machinist and I can
still use a inert gas welder. What a challenge! Imagine the prop you could
use with that kind of power.               Lou Biggs

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:21:19 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Hedders

Has anyone put Blackjack hedders on a 70 Cutlass with a 455?

Corey D
dayc@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:28:12 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rochester Jet Sizes Old = New?

Karl is correct, drilling with numbered bits does not equal replacing the
jet, Example, drilling to .072 will not have the same fuel flow as a .072
jet.
PS. Clear coat might be the answer. Thanks.
Lou

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Rochester Jet Sizes Old = New?
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 7:23 AM
>
> Yup.
>
> Roe book claims jets should not be driled because jets have flow
> characteristics (swirls, et alii) in the apertures.
>
> So.
>
> My question is;
>
> If I need a certain jet for a 1957 carb, can I order that same jet # from
> Edelbrock or take same jet # from a (relatively) late-model Q-Jet?
>
> And yeah, I know what jet sizes I will need. (Actually got ALL specs!!)
> Just need to know if correct jets can come from any Roch.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> SOM
> &KA

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:20:51 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455

To John Young,
Engine torque lifts the left front and driveshaft torque lifts the right
rear, subject to springs and suspension action.
Lou

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:31:48 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: cam question 455

First of all, I am back after about a month and now with a new e-mail adress
(igor455@home.com).  I got my '81 Delta 88 going (with the 455/th400) and
thought I have only driven it for about 500 miles so far, I already have
some concerns.  I am not curently driving it as I am in the process of
preping the body for a paint job.  (on that note, I would like it to be
Viper blue with silver racing stripes.  I think it would be nice but if you
have any other sugestions, please feel free.  The interior is tan and the
original color is light gold).

My primary question is about the cam though.  It is a '76 block with
polished and ported J-heads, w/3-angle job, full rebuild so all the standard
stuff like .030 over, ground crank, etc.  It has 10.1 pistons, but with the
heads and fel-pro head gasket, the compression is somewhere in the 9s.  I
can ran midgrade fuel with moderate timing advance and no pinging.  The cam
is Speed-Pro, 262/270 AD, .448/.472 lift.  The car has TH400 (from '76
Delta), 12inch converter and Hurst stage 2 shift kit.  The rear is 8.5inch
10-bolt limited slip with 3.23 gears.  It has a new (reworked) Q-jet from
'70 422 with really no emissions hook ups.  The intake is stock cast iron
w/blocked off EGR.  Exaust manifolds are stock with 2.5" dual exaust
w/balancer tube, 2.25" long Dynomax SuperTurbos and 2.25" tailpipes.

The car runs good with a fairly smooth idle (Q-jets from this source are no
good.  It is my second carb and I am not happy with it.  The first one had
silicon in it and when I first went to WOT on the highway 25 miles from
home, the silicon pried the Secondarys open.  You should have seen the ride
home.  Had to keep it above 3000rpm just so it would run.)  Anyways, the
problem is that with my gears and converter I can absolutley have no
traction even at 1/2 throtle launch (I am not joking.  Already got a ticket)
And the cam seems to pull like a locomotive to 3000rpm, then OKAY till
3800-4000 and then nothing above that.  I would like something that kicks in
at about 2200RPM and pull to 5000RPM and maybe give me a little loopy idle.
With this cam I can't use my power, because when I shift at 4000RPM, the
motor is always above its peak power.  When I had the old vacum modulator on
the trans would shift at 3000 at WOT, and when it hit second gear the tires
would brake loose.  At 4000 shift they don't make a sound.  SO my question
is if someone can recomend a cam for me and the specs on it.  Keep in mind
that my valvetrain is stock and I don't have any more money so the mods
would have to be minimal.  Basically, what cam do I need for 2200-5000 and
what is the bigest cam I can put in with my stock valvetrain.  Thanks a lot.
Good to be back.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/TH400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200R4/propane)
1981 Dodge Maxivan (367/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:34:29 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: cam question 455

Sorry, the tires on that car are BFGoodrich 255/60/15s mounded on Cragar SS
15x10s.  Igor.

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:39:28 -0500
From: ShawnE@austintx.net (Shawn Eldredge)
Subject: Re: v.c.  parts

Hi all,
I hope everyone is enjoying the 3-day weekend!!!
Now on to the pressing matter at hand.
Are the grilles for a 71 and a 72 Cutlass Supreme interchangeable?
Thanks for the help and be careful its a jungle out there







 At 02:36 PM 9/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>stopped atan olds lovers place on stevens pass while on the way home from
>east washington and he showed me his new free 67 vista cruizer.  very nice
>80k car parked for 14 years.  he has no email or web access, and needs a
>few parts.
>
>right rear door
>taillight lenses, right and left
>taillight housings right and left
>
>email me privately
>
>TIA
>
>47rocket98
>

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:44:13 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Jets

Karl, Sorry, will they screw into the holes left by the old jets? If
they'll fit, the fuel flow should be the same. I really don't know if they
are interchangeable. If they are they should work fine
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:15:58 -0500
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.

Hi Barney,

CBarnhart1@aol.com wrote:

> History - In 1985, I had a 1939 Stearman which gave me innumerable problems

Had?

> October ?85, while on crosss
> country flying vacation viewing fall foliage in New York and Vermont, the
> crank broke in the air, requiring a dead stick landing east of east noplace 
in
> a farmer?s field.

I bet it was a hassle to retrieve. When I was a 10 hour student pilot my
instructor got cute and shut off the fuel valve killing the engine. Then
he had me slow the aircraft to stop the prop (more realistic he said). I
found a dirt road, faked a mayday, ran down the check list, trimmed for
best glide, mixture full rich, carb heat on, fuel valve handle on
(Aha!), grind the starter, grind the starter some more, grind the
starter some more, the ground's getting closer, grind the starter, flaps
10. Oh well, it was a really nice dirt road, and there was nothing hurt
but my instructor's pride.

> Many times I?ve thought of it; & now I?m going to do it.  Automotive engines
> in aircraft are not exactly a new idea, but I?ve not seen a 455 in one yet.
> So, with some help from those who are in the know, maybe ?Barney?s Old Field
> Flying Service, Inc.? Stearman will be the first Stearman to have ?Powered by
> OLDS? emblazoned on the side of the fuselage.

Hmm. Was it a good landing? If the plane's badly broken please ignore
the rest of my diatribe.

> Who would care to venture their ideas?

Here goes;

In order to adapt the Stearman to water-cooled V-8 power you will have
to make modifications to the airframe. The Olds 455 is longer and
heavier than the Continental radial. Weight and balance will be FUBAR.
Will you move the firewall back? Where will you put the radiator?
Probably you can forget aerobatic and inverted flight.

Do you really want to cut up a '39 Stearman? Besides the historical
value, the modified plane isn't going to be worth nearly as much as an
original, even one with a broken powerplant. What's a #1 condition
Stearman going for these days. It was $500,000 or $600,000 the last time
I looked which was in 1988.

Once, when I was auditioning a new handbrake, she took me to visit her
dad. There in his garage was a slightly tatty XK-120 MC roadster. I was
chatting it up with the old man, he popped the hood, and there sits this
godawful ugly Ch*vy engine. I was so shocked I couldn't think of a thing
to say. I hope somebody put the poor bastard thing out of its misery.

If it were me I'd put an original powerplant back in the Stearman and
either fly it or sell it. If you want V-8 power, get an airframe
designed for it. Last time I looked there were scads of them, everything
from low-and-slow to 400 knot plus flight level cruisers.

Please don't flame me. I like old cars and I like old aircraft. I like
them running and flying the way they were meant to run and fly. The
people who designed them weren't stupid. They worked laboriously, often
by trial and error, to get things working the way they wanted. Some of
their solutions to the limitations of their knowledge and materials are
nothing short of genius. A Stearman, either flying or sitting on the
ramp, is a work of art and a piece of living history. Don't cut it up.

Olds content: The '73 H/O is coming along nicely :-).

Charles

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:58:39 EDT
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: v.c.  parts

interchangeable yes, but they dont look the same!  if your just looking to
fill a hole than they should work just fine.   what year grills are you in
need of?  steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:14:01 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Grille for '86 Supreme

Since it's a kinda slow Monday for posts, how's about someone with a driver's
side grille for my '86 Supreme come forward and tell me what you'd have to have
for it..!!! Must be an '86 because there is a difference in the other model
years. E-me privy if you have one and let's get it headed to Ironto Va....!!

I hope everyone had a fun, relaxing and mainly a SAFE Labor Day holiday..!!!

Mike
Ironto Va
'86 442
'86 Supreme
'71 Monte



 "The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:33:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The General's store

Ryan D wrote:

> w/s wipers & washers and parts,gauges & hardware,locks,clutch and trany
> parts,mirrors & hardware,bumpers,fenders (70 72 cutlass)
> fender mldgs,door hardware ,1/4 panels (70 72)
> engine bay stuff,

Where is this guy located?  I'm interested 69-72 Cutlass pieces.

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:33:35 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In Reply To:  Lou Biggs

Lou,

220 Cont. weighs in at 485 dry, and would have most of its weight further
forward than a 455 would which shouldn't be a problem.

Like to get one "attached", engine mounted, etc., and then go for any mods.

more as this develops,
Barney

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:38:16 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.

In Reply To: Charles

Charles,

Never fear, I won't cut anything.  Plan is to do it only if I can remove
existing engine mount and bold on one for a 455 (four bolts); and then accept
for linkages, maybe easy-on; easy-off - 'cept nothing like this is ever easy!

Barney

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:53:09 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.

In a message dated 9/6/98 8:15:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gjcouse@mhonline.net writes:

<<
 Move over H/O and 442, IROC is coming...

 A >>
A ch*vy name for an Olds, just wonderful...............no thanks, ill pass
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:08:55 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Newbie's test and bio

- -----Original Message-----
From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Newbie's test and bio


>The ones I am interested in are about 10 years newer, and have a particular
torpedo look. I
>believe that the torpedo bodies were made only in 2 dr but I am not sure.
If
>anyone has information about the post war 40s cars, I'd sure like to talk
>about them.


I have a photo of a 1949 'Futuramic' ?? that I took at the Centennial. It's
not a great picture, but it is a neat "Torpedo" shaped car, so it might be
the one you're looking for..
I don't have my scanner hooked up right now, so it will be a while before I
can post it.
There are some early fifties models here:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/fab50s.htm
==============================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass Conv.
1980 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:16:15 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine.

Barney,
Charles is right, I do know Stearmans are rare, just got caught up in the
heat of the moment and thought what a great project. Didn't know a Cont.
weighed that much. Mounts shouldn't be that much of a problem, wish you
good luck with whatever you come up with. Keep us informed on your
progress.
Lou
PS Mac got #61, (I'm very close to St. Louis), big deal here. Hope everyone
had a good weekend.
PPS Saw Mac on TV pulling into the stadium, rice burner, he's not perfect.
Maybe if he gives me the ball (#62) I'll let him use the 67 442 for a short
time, then, maybe not.

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:45:00 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Cars and baseball guys

Lou Biggs wrote:

> PS Mac got #61, (I'm very close to St. Louis), big deal here.

Big deal to all baseball fans whether Cardinal fans or not.  Mac seems
to be a pretty class act given the situation, etc.

> PPS Saw Mac on TV pulling into the stadium, rice burner, he's not perfect.

I doubt any of us are. You never know, he might have a 442 at the house
for joyrides. And for the Cubbie fans on the list I think Sosa has shown
a lot of class during this whole thing also.  What car does he drive?

> Maybe if he gives me the ball (#62) I'll let him use the 67 442 for a short
> time, then, maybe not.

If he stays healthy, the home run record might get into the 70s before
it's over with.  Once #62 is history the pressure and hype will lessen
considerably.  Never know how many might go out once they (and the
opposing pitchers) get forget about it somewhat.

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:08:10 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seat request

As of last year you could still get these through the GM dealers.  Have
you tried there?

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:30:48 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Aircraft Engine

I'd swear that a year or two ago someone here mentioned seeing a 455 in
an airplane (I think it was a P51 replica, one of the ones that aren't
full scale).  I can't remember anything more other than an interesting
discussion ensuing on the dry sump oil system.

You might want to check the archives from a year or more ago to see if
you can find the conversation.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:47:47 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.

In a message dated 9/7/98 2:54:47 PM Central Daylight Time, RCKTPWR@aol.com
writes:

<< In a message dated 9/6/98 8:15:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 gjcouse@mhonline.net writes:

 <<
  Move over H/O and 442, IROC is coming...

  A >>
 A ch*vy name for an Olds, just wonderful...............no thanks, ill pass
 Bernie >>




I thought IROC stood for International Race of Champions


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:54:16 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cars and baseball guys

If every body says there prayers at night, K.G. Jr could still surpass both
Sammy AND Mark !  I only say this because of all the baseball cards I used to
have, KG Jr's rookie card is the only one's I have left.........


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:58:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe oldsmobile dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


Dennis Jon Sytsma
19771 sw 280 st
Homestead, Florida 33031-3204

sytsma@gzinc.com
http://home.gzinc.com/sytsma/

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:21:15 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Worked on the 70 S this weekend.

Just to let you all know that I'm back on the list after a great Labor
Day weekend at home. I hope everyone had a great vacation.

Changed the oil in "The Unit" this weekend. Wouldn't cha know it, the
drain plug decides to strip out. What a great way to start off vacation.
Went to NAPA and got a std. one and an oversized one. It turns out that
all I had to do was crank the std. one in and out until it fit snug in
the pan and and made sure I cleaned off the metal shavings every time I
backed it out. Then I added 5 qts of NAPA oil and filter, turned her
over, ran like a dream, well.....an untouched 28 yr. old dream. I ran
some motor flush through it for 5 min. before I drained the soggy beast.
Didn't see a lot of gunk come out, but the oil was DARK CHOCOLATE black.
Eee-heh-hewww!!!

I took her for a light spin around the block (4 mile country block!).
The trans is going to need a serious rebuild. When I tried to floor it
in 3rd, it made an absolutely horrible attempt at a down shift, raced,
didn't gain speed, then shifted over. Bleh!!! I was going to do that
anyway, but now I at least know that it MUST HAVE a rebuild.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:32:33 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?

I want to find out what color my car is/ supposed to be. Can anyone help
me on this?

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: New burnout pic

Hi gang,
   Just added another burnout pic....Joe Stackman's 69 442...Very nice
car if you haven't seen it...keep'em coming...
           SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:35:39 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.

In a message dated 9/7/98 4:50:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MFATZII@aol.com
writes:

<<
 I thought IROC stood for International Race of Champions
  >>
I think of the late 80's f-body ch*vy myself, they were very popular around
here in NJ.
 I dont hink you should knock sacred Olds nameplates, IMHO, but since u have a
56 Olds, you can say anything you want !!!
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:38:49 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 86 Salon....springs

I need to get springs for my Salon, I might as well get 442 spec one right?
Which company does anyone recommend?  Its for an 86 Salon t/top G-body.
Thanks,

Bernie

Ps. Car still runs at 210 - 215, doesn't boil over tho, guess ill live w/it.

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:43:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: facts books

A friend of mine has a 1976 442 and is looking for some kind of book for
restoration ( like the olds authenticity and restoration book ) If
anyone has any ideas let me know. thanks
Todd Thomas
72w30

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:48:53 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?

I have the chart for 1970.  What are your codes?  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 5:28 PM
Subject: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?


>I want to find out what color my car is/ supposed to be. Can anyone help
>me on this?
>
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
>1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
>1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
>1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:13:21 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: Custom Cutlass IROC.

Dodge had the Daytona Iroc's for a few years. Iroc is a general term, but most
people associate it with the 85-90 Iroc-Z's

Jason


> I thought IROC stood for International Race of Champions
>  >>
>I think of the late 80's f-body ch*vy myself, they were very popular around
>here in NJ.
> I dont hink you should knock sacred Olds nameplates

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Who has 70 paint chart/codes?

- ---Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu> wrote:
>
> I want to find out what color my car is/ supposed to be. Can anyone
help
> me on this?
>

Exterior Colors

10  Porcelain White
14  Platinum
19  Ebony Black
20  Azure Blue
25  Astro Blue
28  Twlight Blue
34  Reef Turquoise
45  Aspen Green
48  Sherwood Green
50  Bamboo
55  Galleon Gold
58  Burnished Gold
63  Copper
74  Grenadier Red*
75  Matador Red
78  Burgandy Mist
68  Cinnamon Bronze*
76  Regency Rose*
16  Oxford Gray*
26  Viking Blue*
46  Ming Jade*
61  Sandlewood*
53  Nugget Gold**
38  Aegean Aqua**
51  Sebring Yellow**

*  Exclusive Toronado
** Special Order Color-Available on all models

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:42:29 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Oil Pump Access?

I was wondering if anyone out there ever tried to gain access to the oil
pump in an 70-72 Olds 442 while the motor was in the car. Is it possible to
drop the pan and gain access to the oil pump while the motor is in the
car??

I HAVE THE MONDELLO 7-QUART PAN WITH THE MONDELLO STUDS AND STRAPS ON THE
MAIN CAPS. IT IS AN OLDS 455.

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:59:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: ralley pack

Does anyone know where I can find a ralley pack for my 1972  442w30?
thanks in advance
Todd Thomas

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:59:43 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: drag strip question

I have a question for you drag strip guys. Do you know if it's against
the rules to play the cavalry charge with air horns while running down
the track or staging lines.
                                   Thanks     Butch  68  442  post

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:58:18 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: drag strip question

why would anyone want to do that?????????

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:06:40 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: drag strip question

Just a little mind game.                     Butch

HURSTOLDZ@aol.com wrote:

> why would anyone want to do that?????????

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: drag strip question

- ---"B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net> wrote:
>
> I have a question for you drag strip guys. Do you know if it's against
> the rules to play the cavalry charge with air horns while running down
> the track or staging lines.
>                                    Thanks     Butch  68  442  post
>
>
> Don't know...but it would seem to me that it WOULD be...maybe a
distraction?...anybody know?
         SMAN

==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:36:49 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Busting knuckles

Started the disc brake conversion today on the '72.  What is the
recommended method for busting the knuckles loose from the ball joints?
The disc brake knuckles I removed a few years ago were liberated with
the help of a small sledge hammer.  That doesn't seem to be doing the
trick on the convertible.  I even tried a hydraulic jack between the
control arms and that didn't work either.  How do you guys do it?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:48:06 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Decal Part #, Anyone?

Hi folks,
           Hope everybody had a good holiday weekend.  Do any of our G
body guys have the part # handy for the "442" decal that goes on the
front bumper for the '85-'87 models?  I replaced mine five years ago,
and it's starting to bubble under the "O" in "Oldsmobile".  (Need to get
independently wealthy so I can build that climate-controlled garage I've
always wanted.  Those decals don't stand up well to heat, especially on
that rubberized bumper covering.)  If anybody can supply me with the
number, I can just call my parts man at the local Olds dealer and get
him to order me a couple, without having to wait for him to scan through
his computer.  (It's usually down three days out of a five-day work
week. :-)

Thanks,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html


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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:37:49 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: drag strip question

>> why would anyone want to do that?????????


>Just a little mind game.                     Butch
>


Can't find anything in my NHRA rulebook against it, but the track officials
would probably have something to say about it.

Mind games are fine, but this is just childish. If you need to distract a
fellow racer to win you shouldn't be at the track in the first place. If
another racer pulled this crap on me while staged I know there would be an
exchange of words back in the pits. Going down the track, I probably
wouldn't care. Crowd would love it.

Just my opinion
Randy

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:50:40 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Busting knuckles

>Started the disc brake conversion today on the '72.  What is the
>recommended method for busting the knuckles loose from the ball joints?


I've never had to do this, but isn't the tool called a ball joint fork?

Long prybar type tool with 2 tapered forks at the end. You hit it with a BFH
to wedge the ball joint loose.

Hope I'm correct,
Randy

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: Re: Busting knuckles

you are right, its called a pickle fork.

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:04:28 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

Barney:

Didn't that new V8 being built in Canada start as a big block Olds engine?
They have changed their name several times but I read in Flying that they have
reached certification of their engine and they have orders from people who are
converting King Airs to piston power.  They have been working on certification
for 10 years it seems to me.  I have had friends put VW engines in homebuilts
and some V8s have found their way in them also.  Your problem will come from
weight.  Time you modify the engine, and you will need a reduction gear or
system of some kind you will run into CG problems (long heavy engine) after
you solve those problems.  Then you will have an experimental aircraft.  I
don't blame you for being disappointed in the radial but if you change engines
you would have been better off to sell that high value Stearman and build an
aircraft designed for a V8.  Rotation is the least of your problem.
Homebuilders have been changing rotation of automobile engines for years.  I
haven't but friends say change the starter and oil pump and it will run in the
direction started without problem.  You will find replacing the engine in kind
to be easiest.  We haven't even touched on FAA paperwork!

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:20:37 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  adding Lauren engineering stuff to '78

Where are you getting this stuff from??
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:23:15 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe please

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:22:46 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Motors

Everett said:

<1976 was the lasr year for the 455>

Got to agree with Everett here.  1977 was the year that the 88/98 series was
downsized, so it figures that they'd phase out the 455 then.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:26:53 EDT
From: CBarnhart1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

In reply to a message dated 9/7/98 7:12:28 PM CST, from GChris1511@aol.com

Just enough mountains to climb to make it interesting!

I plan on running it direct drive, no reduction unit ($$$$); and if anything I
may have to add weight - should be fun.

Barney

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:27:23 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  86 Salon....springs

I gotta an 87 442 and an 83 Hurst both with Moog springs, 5610 Front and 5375
rears. Hope this was some help.
John, JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:28:39 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?

Doug,

>           Hope everybody had a good holiday weekend.  Do any of our G
>body guys have the part # handy for the "442" decal that goes on the
>front bumper for the '85-'87 models?

Part # is 25530186

Just happen to know... :-)

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:28:04 EDT
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: How do I unsubscribe?

Gonna be away for awhile and I don't want stuff to bounce back.  How does one
unsubscribe again?  (Looked for the info at 442.com but couldn't find it.)

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-


PS...Even though I don't post much, I read often.  Great list!

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 21:30:12 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: parts for sale

I have an 85 Cutlass Supreme I'm parting out.

I want to sell the following items:

T-tops
Interior - gauge package, blue, buckets, console, floor shifter,
            good condition, console needs new compartment lid
Heavy Duty suspension parts - front(massive!) and rear sway bars
enough pieces to make a full front clip
rear decklid
drivers door
tail light assemblies (2)
front and rear bumpers

email me personally to keep the traffic off the list please at
jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu

Central Michigan area

Thanks!
Jim...

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?

- ---Doug Newman <newmand@wcbi.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>            Hope everybody had a good holiday weekend.  Do any of our G
> body guys have the part # handy for the "442" decal that goes on the
> front bumper for the '85-'87 models?

- ---Try #25530186 or #25528697....not positive,but I think that's it.

  (Need to get
> independently wealthy so I can build that climate-controlled garage
I've
> always wanted.


We all need one of those,I got heat and air,for me,not the car
though...:)
                 SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:34:57 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Decal Part #, Anyone?

Doug,
The part # you requested is as follows 85-86 #22528697 and for the 87
#25530186
Hope this helps,
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:46:27 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: Decal Part #, Anyone?

Thanks to everybody that replied to my question.  I knew SOMEBODY out
there would know.  :-)

Take care,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:40:26 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Chipped Paint (was: Sport mirrors revisited)

Jason,

>Is this what they put on the bottom of the G-Body cars without chrome
>molding?  Last week's Salem group (Greg, Mike and myself) noticed "uneven"
>paint at the bottom of Mike's 442.

I think it's normal... My 442 is the same way. I think it's a special paint
or coating to help prevent stone chips. I have a friend with a Monte
Carlo, and it has the same treatment.

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:50:25 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Lauren Engineering???

Can someone give me the correct Web Address for Lauren Engineering???I heard
they have alot of G body goodies. Wanna check it out for myself.
Thanks in advance,
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:58:41 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lauren Engineering???

http://www.laureneng.com

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: JJP442@aol.com <JJP442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:51 PM
Subject: Lauren Engineering???


>Can someone give me the correct Web Address for Lauren Engineering???I
heard
>they have alot of G body goodies. Wanna check it out for myself.
>Thanks in advance,
>John
>JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:49:44 -0700
From: "FX O'Connor" <wwjcd@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pump Access?

>I was wondering if anyone out there ever tried to gain access to the oil
>pump in an 70-72 Olds 442 while the motor was in the car. Is it possible to
>drop the pan and gain access to the oil pump while the motor is in the
>car??


Good Luck! I did it in my 68 400 w/o straps and studs...  I couldn't jack
the engine enough without taking the tranny off to take the pan out. SO, I
moved the pan to one side as far as I could and did my work partially blind.
Have had no problems with the pump so it must have worked well. Just my
experiences,

Ben
62 olds f-85 Forsale, price down to 1500!
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 olds 442 (awesome aluminum heads!)

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:16:09 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: drag strip question

I wouldn't do it either. What happens if you scare the guy and he goes off
into your lane and totals your 442 right into the retaining wall. Wouldn't
be funny then, now would it?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: drag strip question
> Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 3:37 PM
>
> >> why would anyone want to do that?????????
>
>
> >Just a little mind game.                     Butch
> >
>
>
> Can't find anything in my NHRA rulebook against it, but the track
officials
> would probably have something to say about it.
>
> Mind games are fine, but this is just childish. If you need to distract a
> fellow racer to win you shouldn't be at the track in the first place. If
> another racer pulled this crap on me while staged I know there would be
an
> exchange of words back in the pits. Going down the track, I probably
> wouldn't care. Crowd would love it.
>
> Just my opinion
> Randy
>

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:33:56 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cars and baseball guys

Remember, it only takes ONE ball to play stickball.......
Sorry, here in KC all I've been able to get on what they call "sports"
programs is the usual stick-and/or-ball games.  They can lick the boots of any
ball game puke, crow on and on about a bunch of snot-nosed kids playing games,
yet never have the backbone to report on us everyday working stiffs that put
in 40 hours of work, come home and put in nearly that much in preparing our
cars for local NASCAR Winston Racing events, even though our stands are
(percentage-wise) closer to full (than where those overpaid baseball
primadonnas' (Royals) play their game) and we don't take sick time when we get
a hangnail or a sore shoulder.

Please forget the rant, but listening about those ball games usually doesn't
put me in a good mood.  Must be because they get too much credit for doing too
little for too few.

(Soapbox mode off)

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
Home of Lakeside and I-70 Speedways, although you'd never know it unless you'd
been there before.........

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:54:10 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: 80's G-Body Part Needed.

Oldsmagnet wrote:
>
> > No...  It's been his since day one..  <G> But like I mentioned, it's
> > "Pro-Street" meaning, 425 Bored over, Mondello Heads, ported and matched
>
> WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!  Stop right there!  Yes, indeed these cars ~did~ come with
> non-AC versions.  But, the AC box and heater box were both quite different.
The > non-AC'd cars will ~not~ accept a big block.  The heater core-only box
takes up > the space that would otherwise be occupied by a valve cover...   If
mods are > desired, he could butcher things to fit, but he could do that with
the AC box. > I think the heater box was metal, too.  AC version is all
fiberglass.  Lighter.

Really?  Is there any way someone can gimme measurements, or pics???

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:54:01 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: paging stan

paging stan...i have the olds wire harness's in atl,ga    jeff...

call me.........

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:39:52 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine

the last time I checked that big stearman radial was really heavy dont think
the 455 would out weigh it but it would need a lot of ponies and a propspeed
reduction unit to fly oh dont forget an faa certifaction as an alternative
or experimental engine....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: 455 Project: Aircraft Engine


>Barney wrote:
>> Subject: 455 Project:  Aircraft Engine
>> Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 7:43 PM
>
>Barney, No thanks required. I'm just a rank beginner when it comes to
>planes, but wouldn't it be a tad nose heavy. Might need to extend the
>fuselage and move the tailplane back to retain the center of gravity, even
>relocate the wings rearward a few feet. Heck of a project if you can get it
>done. Also need dual ignition, as in NASCAR. Thats piece of cake, but dual
>spark plugs? You could get a cam grinder, for a hefty price to design a cam
>to bring the power curve down to where you want it, but then your into
>increasing fuel and air velocity to obtain the correct mixture for that
>RPM, smaller intake runners, small valves, many changes. Heck, move to St.
>Louis, lets built it. Winter's coming. I'm a reasonable machinist and I can
>still use a inert gas welder. What a challenge! Imagine the prop you could
>use with that kind of power.               Lou Biggs
>

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:02:14 -0500
From: ShawnE@austintx.net (Shawn Eldredge)
Subject: Re: v.c.  parts

I need them for a 72 and somebody on the list knows where a wrecked car is
but he doesn't  know if its a 71 or 72 and I don't know how to tell him. He
thinks it is a 72. Any help would be appreciated. TIA
SHAWN


 At 02:58 PM 9/7/98 -0400, W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
>interchangeable yes, but they dont look the same!  if your just looking to
>fill a hole than they should work just fine.   what year grills are you in
>need of?  steven,  w30442cs@aol.com
>

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 23:10:46 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: drag strip question

B. Vosburgh wrote:
>
> I have a question for you drag strip guys. Do you know if it's against
> the rules to play the cavalry charge with air horns while running down
> the track or staging lines.
>                                    Thanks     Butch  68  442  post

As a crowd pleaser, I can't see why not, but...

I wouldn't.  Our track used to have guys that would hook up spark plugs
to their exhaust pipes, and shoot flames.  This went on for some time,
until the track said they would DNQ you on race nights if that was used
on the Staging Lanes, or the Burnout Box.  If used on track, you would
be escorted to the gate, and asked to come back someday.  They had
started to delay the races..  Also possed safety hazards..  <G>  COOL as
HELL, but impractical.

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 20:25:50 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The General's store

  lansing,IL





trany
>> parts,mirrors & hardware,bumpers,fenders (70 72 cutlass)
>> fender mldgs,door hardware ,1/4 panels (70 72)
>> engine bay stuff,
>
>Where is this guy located?  I'm interested 69-72 Cutlass pieces.
>


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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:35:50 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: who is running a holley or edelbrock?

to all the guys on here running holleys and edelbrocks...   what all did you
have to do to the choke?  linkages?  any other problems?  im wanting to put
either a holley or edelbrock on my '72 olds 350.  its in a '78 cutlass, so i
have a few vacuum lines, but i have eliminated a good many.  i am also running
a 2004r, so ill need some sort of linkage to mate up with my tv cable (should
be the same as running a th350, pretty much).  i need a lot of advise before
dumping the cash.  thanks,
jeremy

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