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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 10 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1418



RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
(no subject)
RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Re: 1956 brake drums from hell
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
web page updated
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Re: mileage problem
Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help. (SOM version)
RE: WANT TO BUY Manuals
RE: web page updated
TTFN
Olds sighting
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
exhaust system
Re: web page updated
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
baby's home! / vin number
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Interactive Car Show
RE: baby's home! / vin number
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
Re: Vista Cruiser Rear Window
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
HP question
Re: Olds News
RE: conv. circuit breaker amps?
Re: HP question
Re: HP question
Re: show in Mass
Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Re: July 1969 Hot Rod Magazine For Sale
Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro
Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro
Taxable HP? was: HP question
Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Re: 68 Delmont Value?
Parts
Re: o-lot -of olds parts
RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
Engine ID
Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
RE: Engine ID
Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro
RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
Head IDs, dual exhaust manifolds

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:03:34 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

Somebody must be reading my mind since I am experiencing
this same problem. 72 Supreme 350. It spills only when the
car shuts off. Just enough to be annoying. Replaced thermostat.
180 deg. New cap 16 lbs. I have a hard time believing I need a
new radiator.

Jeff Cote
Worcester, MA
72 Cutlass Supreme H/T

> ----------
> From: 	Johnson, Sam[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 7:51 AM
> To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: 	RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
>
> The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is full until I
> cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
> ======================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >1971 Cutlass S 455
> >Westside! Chitown IL
> 14 Wins 11 Losses
> ======================
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:57:30 -0400
From: Ted Loranz <tloranz@acumeter.com>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest tloranz@acumeter.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:15:27 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

I know, man this is very aggravation too.  I've done everything to keep the
car cool and the antifreeze just keep coming out.  I guess I will have to
keep buying antifreeze until we figure out the problem.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Cote, Jeffrey
[SMTP:IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 9:04 AM
	To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	Subject:	RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

	Somebody must be reading my mind since I am experiencing
	this same problem. 72 Supreme 350. It spills only when the
	car shuts off. Just enough to be annoying. Replaced thermostat.
	180 deg. New cap 16 lbs. I have a hard time believing I need a
	new radiator.

	Jeff Cote
	Worcester, MA
	72 Cutlass Supreme H/T

	> ----------
	> From: 	Johnson, Sam[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
	> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 7:51 AM
	> To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	> Subject: 	RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
	>
	> The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is full
until I
	> cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
	> ======================
	> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
	> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
	> >1971 Cutlass S 455
	> >Westside! Chitown IL
	> 14 Wins 11 Losses
	> ======================
	>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:33:38 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1956 brake drums from hell

> The
> passenger side was adjustable but the driver side appears to be missing
the
> clicker gear thingy ...

Isn't the gear thingie part of the adjuster screw assembly? Can't see how
it could come off, unless one of the shoe springs broke.

Anyway, I had drums on an 82 Cutlass that absolutely refused to budge from
the flange. Heating them around the center hole with a torch, then a whack
with the BFH popped em right off.

drc

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:29:09 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

I have had a couple of Olds engines spew coolant after shutting the engine
down.  Both times it was caused by a leaking head gasket.  Those *&*%$##@*
original style stamped steel gaskets to be exact.  In 75 or 76 I had a GM
mechanic tell me that he had replaced lots of Olds head gaskets around 50 - 60
thousand miles.  Both engines ended up getting quality composition head
gaskets and the problem went away.  The engine in my car had the original
gaskets on it when I disassembled it prior to installation.  Both gaskets
showed indications of leaking between cylinders.  I had the surfaces checked
for straightness and nothing was out of tolerance.  I assembled it with
composition gaskets and have had no problems in 14 years and 30,000 + miles.
Yes the radiator can be shot and causing problems, but you usually have
overheating problems at idle in traffic and other times as well.  Been there
done that.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:51:59 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

just a couple of pennies for this one:

it sounds like a hot motor.  how's circulation in your cooling system?
is the water pump "pumping"?  is the radiator clean or kind of gunked
up?  check the fan clutch (if you have one) to make sure it's working
properly.

hmmm, what else...


Cote, Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Somebody must be reading my mind since I am experiencing
> this same problem. 72 Supreme 350. It spills only when the
> car shuts off. Just enough to be annoying. Replaced thermostat.
> 180 deg. New cap 16 lbs. I have a hard time believing I need a
> new radiator.
>
> Jeff Cote
> Worcester, MA
> 72 Cutlass Supreme H/T
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Johnson, Sam[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
> > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent:         Monday, August 10, 1998 7:51 AM
> > To:   'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> > Subject:      RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
> >
> > The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is full until I
> > cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
> > ======================
> > Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> > >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> > >1971 Cutlass S 455
> > >Westside! Chitown IL
> > 14 Wins 11 Losses
> > ======================
> >

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:55:31 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: web page updated

Hi all,
I finally updated some of my web page, but most of the updates are
non-olds related.  The big thing I added was pictures of my GTO, sorry
for seeming to start a Pontiac thread, but to add some Olds content.  A
while back someone was asking about taking the body off the frame, well
one of my pictures is of the body of my GTO sitting off the frame, frame
is just barely visable in the foreground.  I used Sears 6-ton
jackstands, a homemade 'base' for the jackstands made out of 2x4 and
plywood and I also made some 'blocks' for the jack saddle to help aid in
removal, they were made out of 2x4, 2x6 and scrap 1x lumber.

Now for some real Olds content.  I have for sale a set of 66 rear bumper
brackets, the driver side is bent a little, but I would guess it should
be able to be straightened.  I'll sell both for the price of one, $10.
I also have, from the same 66, the backup lamp assemblies.  One lense is
scratched, but otherwise both assemblies are fine.  I don't remember
what I'm asking for these, I think $40, but they are listed on my web
page also (this was the other major addition to the pages I did).  I can
be persuaded to offers on these, as prices are not set in stone.

http://www.abcs.com/chris/goat66.htm   for the GTO pics including body
off the frame shot
http://www.abcs.com/chris/part2sel.htm   for the parts I currently have
for sale
http://www.abcs.com/chris   the main home page

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com    it works again ..... finally

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny repairs
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:47 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem, Please Help.

Hmmm.... ouch. the thought of the cause being a head
gasket is worse than the radiator. I have maybe 10k
on the rebuilt 350 *sigh*. I had exactly the same thought
though. If it was the radiator, it would spew at idle as well.

Jeff Cote
72 Supreme H/T

> ----------
> From: 	David L Wyatt[SMTP:WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:29 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
>
> I have had a couple of Olds engines spew coolant after shutting the engine
> down.  Both times it was caused by a leaking head gasket.  Those *&*%$##@*
> original style stamped steel gaskets to be exact.  In 75 or 76 I had a GM
> mechanic tell me that he had replaced lots of Olds head gaskets around 50
> - 60
> thousand miles.  Both engines ended up getting quality composition head
> gaskets and the problem went away.  The engine in my car had the original
> gaskets on it when I disassembled it prior to installation.  Both gaskets
> showed indications of leaking between cylinders.  I had the surfaces
> checked
> for straightness and nothing was out of tolerance.  I assembled it with
> composition gaskets and have had no problems in 14 years and 30,000 +
> miles.
> Yes the radiator can be shot and causing problems, but you usually have
> overheating problems at idle in traffic and other times as well.  Been
> there
> done that.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:58:02 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

i've heard of this also.  are you having any overheating problems, or
just the squirting radiator jug???


David L Wyatt wrote:
>
> I have had a couple of Olds engines spew coolant after shutting the engine
> down.  Both times it was caused by a leaking head gasket.  Those *&*%$##@*
> original style stamped steel gaskets to be exact.  In 75 or 76 I had a GM
> mechanic tell me that he had replaced lots of Olds head gaskets around 50 - 
60
> thousand miles.  Both engines ended up getting quality composition head
> gaskets and the problem went away.  The engine in my car had the original
> gaskets on it when I disassembled it prior to installation.  Both gaskets
> showed indications of leaking between cylinders.  I had the surfaces checked
> for straightness and nothing was out of tolerance.  I assembled it with
> composition gaskets and have had no problems in 14 years and 30,000 + miles.
> Yes the radiator can be shot and causing problems, but you usually have
> overheating problems at idle in traffic and other times as well.  Been there
> done that.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:03:02 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

I don't know about Sam but water pump was new at rebuild.
I'm not sure on the fan clutch. How does one go about checking
the clutch or pump without taking anything apart? Is it possible?

I often hear "Well, Oldsmobile engines create more heat anyway."
Every Olds I've drive ( a few in my time) seemed to produce excessive
heat through the firewall to my feet.

Jeff Cote
72 Supreme H/T

> ----------
> From: 	Joseph Gambaccini[SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:51 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
>
> just a couple of pennies for this one:
>
> it sounds like a hot motor.  how's circulation in your cooling system?
> is the water pump "pumping"?  is the radiator clean or kind of gunked
> up?  check the fan clutch (if you have one) to make sure it's working
> properly.
>
> hmmm, what else...
>
>
> Cote, Jeffrey wrote:
> >
> > Somebody must be reading my mind since I am experiencing
> > this same problem. 72 Supreme 350. It spills only when the
> > car shuts off. Just enough to be annoying. Replaced thermostat.
> > 180 deg. New cap 16 lbs. I have a hard time believing I need a
> > new radiator.
> >
> > Jeff Cote
> > Worcester, MA
> > 72 Cutlass Supreme H/T
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:         Johnson, Sam[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
> > > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Sent:         Monday, August 10, 1998 7:51 AM
> > > To:   'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> > > Subject:      RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
> > >
> > > The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is full
> until I
> > > cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
> > > ======================
> > > Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> > > >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> > > >1971 Cutlass S 455
> > > >Westside! Chitown IL
> > > 14 Wins 11 Losses
> > > ======================
> > >
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:04:40 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

The fluid is flowing pretty good and the motor is only running at  around
200. I guess if the fluid is flowing then that means that the water pump is
good. I have a flex fan on it  that I want to change for a clutch fan.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Joseph Gambaccini [SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:52 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

	just a couple of pennies for this one:

	it sounds like a hot motor.  how's circulation in your cooling
system?
	is the water pump "pumping"?  is the radiator clean or kind of
gunked
	up?  check the fan clutch (if you have one) to make sure it's
working
	properly.

	hmmm, what else...


	Cote, Jeffrey wrote:
	>
	> Somebody must be reading my mind since I am experiencing
	> this same problem. 72 Supreme 350. It spills only when the
	> car shuts off. Just enough to be annoying. Replaced thermostat.
	> 180 deg. New cap 16 lbs. I have a hard time believing I need a
	> new radiator.
	>
	> Jeff Cote
	> Worcester, MA
	> 72 Cutlass Supreme H/T
	>
	> > ----------
	> > From:         Johnson, Sam[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
	> > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	> > Sent:         Monday, August 10, 1998 7:51 AM
	> > To:   'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	> > Subject:      RE: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
	> >
	> > The cap is new, just got it is rated at16lb.  The radiator is
full until I
	> > cut the car off.  I am pretty confused on this problem.
	> > ======================
	> > Sam E. Johnson, JR.
	> > >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
	> > >1971 Cutlass S 455
	> > >Westside! Chitown IL
	> > 14 Wins 11 Losses
	> > ======================
	> >

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:06:23 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

Just the squirting radiator jug
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Joseph Gambaccini [SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:58 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

	i've heard of this also.  are you having any overheating problems,
or
	just the squirting radiator jug???


	David L Wyatt wrote:
	>
	> I have had a couple of Olds engines spew coolant after shutting
the engine
	> down.  Both times it was caused by a leaking head gasket.  Those
*&*%$##@*
	> original style stamped steel gaskets to be exact.  In 75 or 76 I
had a GM
	> mechanic tell me that he had replaced lots of Olds head gaskets
around 50 - 60
	> thousand miles.  Both engines ended up getting quality composition
head
	> gaskets and the problem went away.  The engine in my car had the
original
	> gaskets on it when I disassembled it prior to installation.  Both
gaskets
	> showed indications of leaking between cylinders.  I had the
surfaces checked
	> for straightness and nothing was out of tolerance.  I assembled it
with
	> composition gaskets and have had no problems in 14 years and
30,000 + miles.
	> Yes the radiator can be shot and causing problems, but you usually
have
	> overheating problems at idle in traffic and other times as well.
Been there
	> done that.
	>
	> Dave Wyatt
	> 70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:05:29 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem, Please Help.

I can't speak for Sam, but the engine just produces more heat
than I think it should. No overheating though. Just spilling at
shut down.

Jeff Cote
72 Supreme H/T

> ----------
> From: 	Joseph Gambaccini[SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:58 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
>
> i've heard of this also.  are you having any overheating problems, or
> just the squirting radiator jug???
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:09:24 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: mileage problem

In a message dated 98-08-09 22:45:20 EDT, you write:

<<  If there ~was~ a misrepresentation of mileage, >>

As I recently had a potential deal for a parts car in CA....(ooh, reminds
me......)

BTW: I assume by west coast you mean CA

And as I live in Illinois, in which state an oral agreement is binding, I was
curious (just as a potential means of covering myself) to find out if CA's had
a same or similar law(s).

Your transaction might more properly be governed by federal law as an
interstate transaction, but......

I actually peered through some of CA's law code regarding transactions. (Yup,
it was on the 'net! Couldn't possibly teel you the URL though...).
Anyway, the search was BOOOOOOOORING! But my opinion (impression?) is that CA
laws tend to protect the consumer from fraud in the grey ares.

Now I do not know how much this inkling of an idea helps.

Just thought that I would mention it.

BTW: Good Luck

AND - post the name of the dealership!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:09:22 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help. (SOM version)

I once had my rad *cap* vent just after I shut off the engine.

And let me tell you the sound scared me bad.
Thought I heard metal rending.

The problem was a bad T-stat.

Easy way to tell.

Invest $2 in a gasket and pitch the T-stat into water that is already boiling.
Should open.
I saw a good one open very slowly.
Bad one...no change.

I dunno why cap vented rather than out spill hose.
But it happened.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:09:14 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: WANT TO BUY Manuals

I have a e-mail address of someone that was selling manuals on E-bay.  He
sent me a list of manuals and photo's for a 70 442. He has a lot of manuals
for other years also. His address and name is:

Original US Sales & Service Literature

Walter Miller
Info@autolit.com <mailto:Info@autolit.com>

6710 Brooklawn Phwy.
Syracuse, NY 13211

Send him e-mail for the year you are interested in. He responded very quick
with a very long list of information, some I have never seen anywhere else.

Example: 1970 Olds color catalog, air cushion restraint system, $12


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ..... Past

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Oldsmagnet [SMTP:buehner@lyrea.com]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 1:14 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals

	Many shop manuals are still available through GM.  84?  Possible.
Probably
	after a Fisher Body Manual, Chassis Service Manual, and Body
Electrical Manual?
	(Or something similar)  Occasionally you'll find some on Ebay.
Don't recall
	seeing any GM Manuals of that vintage there lately.  But
occasionally.
	--
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:27:28 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: web page updated

Chris,

This weekend I picked up a 1:18 1966 GTO made by Etral (sp ?)  at Target. It
is black with red interior. $19.95 Nice, almost like the one I had in 66.
See it at  http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Gto2.gif
<http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Gto2.gif>

For some Olds content: When will they make a 1970 W-30 442 ? I know they
have the 69, but I want a 70.


Bobby

70 442 Escape back to the....Past

	-----Original Message-----

	snip
	The big thing I added was pictures of my GTO, sorry
	for seeming to start a Pontiac thread

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:31:43 -0700
From: "Elizabeth Katryn Burton" <aunt_bess@mailexcite.com>
Subject: TTFN

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:24:33 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Olds sighting

Saturday on my way home from somewhere I met a pickup pulling a car trailer
east on US 36 in western Indiana.  On that trailer was a 50's era ragtop in
two tone red and white.  The car did not have a dog house on it so at first I
was at a loss to ID it.  As it passed by in the other lane I saw it was a very
nice looking 55 or 56 Olds.  The car looked beautiful except for the missing
front end.  The engine appeared to be missing as well.  The convertible top
was white (as it should be) and in great shape with a nice rear window.  It
made me wonder about the car and where it was going.  I can only hope it was
headed for a restoration.  I did tell the wife that I really needed one of
those and a hardtop would do.  She just mumbled something about "that's nice"
or something to that effect.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:48 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

Coy it sounds like we are just the same as far as setup and problems.  I
have a rebuild engine too along with all new parts except for the radiator.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Cote, Jeffrey
[SMTP:IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com]
	Sent:	Monday, August 10, 1998 10:05 AM
	To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	Subject:	RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

	I can't speak for Sam, but the engine just produces more heat
	than I think it should. No overheating though. Just spilling at
	shut down.

	Jeff Cote
	72 Supreme H/T

	> ----------
	> From: 	Joseph
Gambaccini[SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
	> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 8:58 AM
	> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	> Subject: 	Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
	>
	> i've heard of this also.  are you having any overheating problems,
or
	> just the squirting radiator jug???
	>
	>
	>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:46:39 -0500
From: "Kijowski, Stan" <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
Subject: exhaust system

anyone know of a source in kansas city mo./ks  who can bend & weld 2 1/2" 16
ga. stainless steel tube for my exhaust system?

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:50:43 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: web page updated

i've wondered why the '69 w-30 (my girlfriend's favorite) was chosen.
what was wrong with something like the '66 or '70 w-30???  who are the
people making these choices/selections anyway???


Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> This weekend I picked up a 1:18 1966 GTO made by Etral (sp ?)  at Target. It
> is black with red interior. $19.95 Nice, almost like the one I had in 66.
> See it at  http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Gto2.gif
> <http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Gto2.gif>
>
> For some Olds content: When will they make a 1970 W-30 442 ? I know they
> have the 69, but I want a 70.
>
> Bobby
>
> 70 442 Escape back to the....Past
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>
>         snip
>         The big thing I added was pictures of my GTO, sorry
>         for seeming to start a Pontiac thread

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:05:35 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

>yes i do,a lot of trime ,and lil parts,O ,and i know a guy that i can
get decals and labels (that look really good!) so if you want to send me
a list of stuff you need for your toro ill do my best.

Thanks



>Hi Ryan
>
>Let me know if you have any 86 Toro parts for sell.
>
>Jim Connerly								
86 Toronado 20th Anniv.
>
>jdconner@ccia.com
>


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:03:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: baby's home! / vin number

Hi List Members,

I am really happy to tell you that my car has finally found its way home
from Memphis to Baton Rouge. I will ask a looot of questions now...
It looks really sad but I made a good deal since it came with a lot of
brand new parts which sum up far over the price I paid.

I have not found the vin on the car yet. the year one catalogue says it
should be on top of the instrument panel on the driver's side, visible
through the windshield from outside the car ??? Can't see it...

Anyway, my title says: 336678M412952

All info from the left, up to M= assembled in Lansing, MI seems correct
but I have no idea what the rest, the "production number" is able to tell
me.

Can you tell the color of body/interior by this number? Body seems to be
light blue but i suspect someone changed the interior from black to light
blue!

How many 68 Cutlass S conv. were built?

I will be back with motor and tranny (do they fit?) questions soon. I am
also planning in making some pics to put on the web to ask about specific
parts. Thanks so much for your support!!!

George


- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:09:38 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

yes i do ,if you want to send me a list ill get looking for what you
need and i know a guy that i can get decals and labels (that look really
good!)

Thanks

>Sorry list but I couldn't send this direct.
>
>Ryan,
>Do you have any 68/69 Cutlass parts?
>TIA
>Jim
>
>
>


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:14:52 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Interactive Car Show

Hi all,

Does anyone know what happend to the Interactive Car Show?  I was leading in 
the
votes then I couldn't
access the site anymore.  Who won?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:15:05 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: baby's home! / vin number

>
>Anyway, my title says: 336678M412952
>
>All info from the left, up to M= assembled in Lansing, MI seems correct
>but I have no idea what the rest, the "production number" is able to tell
>me.
The only thing the 'production number' tells you is that it's 412,952
Olds built in 1968.  Although if you want to be sure you have the
original transmission and engine, this number preceded with a 38M will
be stamped on the engine and tranny

>Can you tell the color of body/interior by this number? Body seems to be

No, but if you tell us the data plate info we can tell you what the
colors were originally along with the approx date the body/car was built
>
>How many 68 Cutlass S conv. were built?

Not sure, prolly thousands

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com ... it finally works again

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny work
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:16:29 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

O lot o' Olds parts....

Wold you mind stating, for the record, what years?

Thank you!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:22:56 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

60s ,70s ,i can get 50s and 80s if you need
>
>
>Wold you mind stating, for the record, what years?
>
>Thank you!
>
>SOM
>&KA
>


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:27:36 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser Rear Window

Hi Greg
   I have these rear windows and I will going to NAOC meet in Williamsburg, Va
leaving here on the 25th of August.
   Please e-mail me privately if I can help. I have a lot of other V/C parts
if  I can help with anything else.

Everett   OCA# 1961    1961 Starfire
1-401-435-7139

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:32:05 EDT
From: <RICH6986@aol.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

i need its for an 82 cutlass supreme the chrome trim that goes across the
entire bottom of the car its about 6 inches wide but dont know exactly what
its called i need it    TIA  Rich
81,82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:54:01 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: HP question

While we're on this horsepower train, I was told something this weekend I find
hard to believe. My uncle just bought the '71 S off me and wants to replace the
smoking, stock 350 with a 455. A '70 455 to be exact. He was having a time
finding one so he settled for a '73 455. He was told by a "mechanic" that the
'73 445 delivered the same HP as the '70 model did. Has anyone ever heard this
before? I always thought HP decreased considerably by then. I figured this is
the place to get the final ruling on this vicious rumor! He was also told to
leave the 350 turbo trans instead of going to the 400. He was told the 350
outperforms the 400 when driven by the 455 motor. Again I went, "What!?"

I await the wisdom of.."The List!!"

Thanks
D-man

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:57:09 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Olds News

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:

> Another probable cause for this, if it's an A/C car, is the
> condensation drain hole is stopped up and channeling the water into
> the passenger compartment. Check this area..!!

Where is this drain hole?  I would like to check to see if mine is
clogged up.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:05:37 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: conv. circuit breaker amps?

I've never had a breaker go bad on me, so I don't know if they can or
not.
To measure amperage, it seems like a multi meter would do it, but I
can't
confirm as I'm not an electrician, just a hobbyist. You could use one of

those autometer amps guages wired inline to check it out though.

cf

(snip)
So
> my next question is do breakers go bad? considering the fact
> that this breaker
> was unattached to firewall and didn't look very factory. Also
> the breaker had
> 16A stamped on it could this be 16 amps? I won't be able to
> try to put a breaker
> in till next weekend. Also how would I go about measuring 40
> ampere, does anyone
> make a meter for this.
>
> Erik Ferguson

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:04:40 EDT
From: <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

Hey D-Man!
    That "mechanic" has got to stop smoking that stuff! That is my
philosophical answer and I'm sure the members will provide the numbers.
                                                    Ron Forsee
                                                    65 442-Meister

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:11:13 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: HP question

who is this mechanic???  the '70's put out more HP than the '73's,
"maybe" with the exception being a '70 455 2bbl 9.0 compression when
compared to the best '73 version.  i said maybe, now.

as far as the transmission goes, i know the ratios for 1st and 2nd are
slightly in favor of the t-350, but i'd take the t-400 for handling the
torquey olds 455.


D Frizsell wrote:
>
> While we're on this horsepower train, I was told something this weekend I 
find
> hard to believe. My uncle just bought the '71 S off me and wants to replace
the > smoking, stock 350 with a 455. A '70 455 to be exact. He was having a 
time >
finding one so he settled for a '73 455. He was told by a "mechanic" that the
'73 > 445 delivered the same HP as the '70 model did. Has anyone ever heard 
this >
before? I always thought HP decreased considerably by then. I figured this is
the > place to get the final ruling on this vicious rumor! He was also told to
leave > the 350 turbo trans instead of going to the 400. He was told the 350
outperforms > the 400 when driven by the 455 motor. Again I went, "What!?" > >
I await the wisdom of.."The List!!" > > Thanks > D-man

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: show in Mass

  For anybody who wants to know, to get to the Northampton Three
County Fairgrounds it's the second Northampton exit.  I'm not sure
what the exact # is.  Take a left at the lights (under the overpass),
and the Fairgrounds are between a 1/2 mile and a mile on the left
side.  I'm still trying to find out the Exact time that it starts, so
when I find out, I'll post it.  I'll be there with my '70 CS but I
don't think I'm going to show it, as it has a bashed in quarter and
cracked paint. It's going into the shop to be fixed on the 24th.

Hope this helps,
          Stefan
          sgadecki@yahoo.com
          1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe




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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:57:01 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

Hows about a newradiator cap?  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'Oldsmobile' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 7:45 AM
Subject: Radiator Problem, Please Help.


>My Antifreeze runs back into my overflow and out to the ground when I turn
>my car off.  A lot of antifreeze comes out too and I don't know what to do.
>The car run at about 200 degrees and I got a high performance 180 degree
>thermostat.  I also have a tree core radiator. What should I do.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>======================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>>1971 Cutlass S 455
>>Westside! Chitown IL
>14 Wins 11 Losses
>======================
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:46:49 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: July 1969 Hot Rod Magazine For Sale

In a message dated 8/9/98 12:16:39 PM EST, tgstoner@umich.edu writes:

<< I have a July 1969 Hot Rod magazine for sale.  The cover story in this
 particular issue is "Olds Aluminum Can-Am 455" with the "700-plus
 horsepower, dual-turbocharged, Lucas-injected, 455-inch aluminum
 Oldsmobile V8" shown on the cover and detailed on a two-pages inside.
 Also in this magazine is a two-page photo spread called "Experimentally
 Speaking", which shows and briefly describes how "Oldsmobile has an
 exotic array of engines that may someday find their way under your
 hood".  Seven engines are shown (none of which made it under any
 production car's hood, of course), including a SOHC 455 and a
 twin-turbo, fuel injected engine designed for marine use. >>

It's a shame really since all of the technology was leading to some really
potent big cube, high HP motors, and then the smog stuff came along and ruined
things.  Just imaging the possiblities of these motors sitting in an 80's
Cutlass (H/O, of course) right from the factory (or maybe from an aftermarket
package....).  Gives ya chills down the spine, eh?

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:50:56 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro

I bought Metro and I am not happy with the quality.

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From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:02 PM
Subject: Soft Seal vs. Metro


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>Subject: Soft Seal vs. Metro
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>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:02:04 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro

Ed Binnix wrote:

> I bought Metro and I am not happy with the quality.

Why is that?  I have metro and they are just fine.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:05:21 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Taxable HP? was: HP question

In a message dated 98-08-10 11:57:52 EDT, you write:

<<  He was told by a "mechanic" that the '73 445 delivered the same HP as the
'70 model did. Has anyone ever heard this before? I always thought HP
decreased considerably by then. I figured this is the place to get the final
ruling on this vicious rumor! He was also told to leave the 350 turbo trans
instead of going to the 400. He was told the 350 outperforms the 400 when
driven by the 455 motor. Again I went, "What!?" >>

This queston involves several issues, I think. One is early vs. later HP. This
was covered very briefly about a month and a half ago. Something about why a
1976 455 is rated 190 vs. a 1965's 310+ HP.
On that note I realized something lately, (had been wanting to get back to
this thread...) ALL 1965 BB's (I think) are rated as having 65 hp "taxable". I
could be wrong about that, as I forget where I saw it. However if early hp is
total and later is taxable...... well 190 beats the hell out of 65!

Or did I read into that wrong.

It is getting late again, time to send embarrasingly personal messages
public...
Or something.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:06:17 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

In a message dated 98-08-10 07:46:02 EDT, you write:

<< My Antifreeze runs back into my overflow and out to the ground when I turn
 my car off.  A lot of antifreeze comes out too and I don't know what to do.
 The car run at about 200 degrees and I got a high performance 180 degree
 thermostat.  I also have a tree core radiator. What should I do.

 Thanks in advance for your help.
 ======================
 Sam E. Johnson, JR. >>


Sam, did you by any chance put Stops leak or an equivalent in the car? My
sisters newer GM car kept leaking antifreeze out of the overflow. Couldn't
figure it out for months. Turns out, someone had added stops leak, or
something like it, and it had entered the coolant bootle, plugging the end of
the hose in the bottle. It let the water in under pressure, but plugged up
under vacuum. Took a long time to flush the overflow out, but that was
definately the problem, and it never did it again after flushing the overflow
tank. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:08:48 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 68 Delmont Value?

Hi,

Try Old Cars Price Guide Magazine, based on actual selling prices.
I can give you a price, but not handy.
Maybe later today, March Issue.
Reply if interested.

Later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88  The BEAST
'88 Festiva   ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:12:29 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts

PLEASE!
 E me direct and
 I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com

 1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $100

 1967  C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole>   $225
          Magnufluxed  -  complete

 1968
 442 grill emblem >   $40
 Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
 Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)>  $30
 Ashtray Door >  $10
 Convertible top cylinders > $30 ea.
 Rear defroster switch > $25
 Motor mount heat shield > $8
 Conv. Top latches  >30.pr
 Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$40.pr.
 Reverse light lens good condition > $10
 442 Carb  #7028251 >$150
 Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $100
 Choke pulldown only >$25
 Power Antenna Switch  >$25

 1969
 Wiper switch  > $40
 Radio plate (uncut) >$20
 Rear defroster Switch & wiring > $25
 Plastic headlight Doors > $100 exc.
 Ashtray Doors   > $10
 Convertible top cylinders > $25
 Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $100
 Hood Hinges > $35
 442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$20
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 Conv. Top latches >$30.pr
 Vacuum trunk switch >$25
 Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165
 69-72      Power window motors >  $25 ea.

 1970
   Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
 Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
 Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
 Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
 Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
 Nos pass. side headlight frame>  $60
 Sport Mirrors  >  $175
 Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $30 ea
 Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $20 ea
 Nos 442 emblem set (both sides, front tooth and trunk lid)  >    $150
 F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
 Rear side marker lights >  $15 ea
 70 442 bumper  core >  $100
 Ashtray Doors  >  $10
 Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
 Convertible top cylinder > $25
 Hood Hinges > $25
 Motor mount heat shield> $8
 Conv. Top latches> $40.pr
 455 heads E casting> $100
 Convertible Top Switch  > $75
 1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$60
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps>$165
 69-72      Power window motors> $25 ea.

 1971 & 1972
 Front bumper directional lens> $10 ea.
 Tail light lens > $10 ea.
 Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $30
 71-72 Rocker Chrome good/c (6 ft. long  bottom pieces)> $60
 T handle  (that opens hood) > $10
 Ashtray Doors > $10
 71  Cutlass Grills gc. >$90
 Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges) >$10
 Convertible top cylinders  > $30
 Hood Hinges   >$25
 Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions >$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 Conv. Top latches  >$40.pr
 Black  Automatic console  >$75
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165 set
 69-72      Power window motors > $25 ea.

 1973
 Carb         7043256  >$40

 Shipping is extra
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 905-357-4454
 1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:12:27 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: o-lot -of olds parts

i have thame for a 77 ,but i dont think it will fit a 82 ,sorry.


>i need its for an 82 cutlass supreme the chrome trim that goes across
the
>entire bottom of the car its about 6 inches wide but dont know exactly
what
>its called i need it    TIA  Rich
>81,82,85 cutlass supreme
>


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:11:50 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem,  Please Help.

Well, I know I didn't. I am of the mindset that only oil, fuel and coolant
go into the car, and nothing else (and trans fluid, of course).

Jeff Cote
72 Supreme H/T

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> From: 	DYeager535@aol.com[SMTP:DYeager535@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 12:06 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Radiator Problem,  Please Help.
> Sam, did you by any chance put Stops leak or an equivalent in the car? My
> sisters newer GM car kept leaking antifreeze out of the overflow. Couldn't
> figure it out for months. Turns out, someone had added stops leak, or
> something like it, and it had entered the coolant bootle, plugging the end
> of
> the hose in the bottle. It let the water in under pressure, but plugged up
> under vacuum. Took a long time to flush the overflow out, but that was
> definately the problem, and it never did it again after flushing the
> overflow
> tank. Dorian
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edwin R Burger <erb22@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Subject: Engine ID

Where is the ID on a 455?  I found some numbers on the front of the
block, but none that matched up with those in the year one catalog.

Thanks,
Ed

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:28:09 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.

Start with the cheapest things first. Radiator cap (likely suspect) and
thermostat. Remember, sometimes engine heat INCREASES for the first few
minutes after an engine is turned off. Why? No circulation of coolant. Soon,
however, lack of combustion causes cooling (duh). The immediate increase in
temperature "can" cause enough of a pressure increase for the cap to vent.
If the spring on the cap is even slightly weak, it will happen easily.

Head gasket problems are "usually" most obvious when the car is running.
While is "could" be a part of this problem. It's one of the least likely
areas to suspect. I have corrected this spewing problem on umpteen cars and
have never found it caused by a head gasket EXCEPT when there were other
symptoms too. The easiest way to rule out the head gasket, if you're really
worried about it, is to go to a shop and have your coolant tested. This is a
chemical test that detect large amounts of exhaust gasses in your coolant.

Be aware that many people spit out the words "head gasket" very quickly when
there is a cooling system problem. Also, be aware that ethyl glycol is a
relatively POOR coolant. Water, plain and simple, is better able to transfer
heat. Ethyl glycol won't freeze however. (I know, it will freeze at some
temperature, but we don't live on Pluto.) During the warm months you can
safely reduce your coolant ratio to 25% (or even less) without fear of
excess corrosion. Your car will run slightly cooler that way.
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.


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>From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
>To: "'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:37:48 -0500
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>Coy it sounds like we are just the same as far as setup and problems.  I
>have a rebuild engine too along with all new parts except for the radiator.
>======================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>>1971 Cutlass S 455
>>Westside! Chitown IL
>14 Wins 11 Losses
>======================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cote, Jeffrey
>[SMTP:IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 10:05 AM
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
>
> I can't speak for Sam, but the engine just produces more heat
> than I think it should. No overheating though. Just spilling at
> shut down.
>
> Jeff Cote
> 72 Supreme H/T
>
> > ----------
> > From: Joseph
>Gambaccini[SMTP:jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us]
> > Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 1998 8:58 AM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
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> >
> > i've heard of this also.  are you having any overheating problems,
>or
> > just the squirting radiator jug???
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:30:51 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: Engine ID

>
>Where is the ID on a 455?  I found some numbers on the front of the
>block, but none that matched up with those in the year one catalog.

Do you mean the serial number or the two-letter engine id code?  The
two-letter id code is a sticker (99.9% of the time missing) that goes
around the oil filler tube.  The serial number is on a machined pad on
the driver side of the block, towards the front, right below the
cylinder head.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com   it finally works again

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny work
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:35:35 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro

Mine are already splitting where two molded section were joined at the
factory. Also, they are MUCH thicker than OEM GM seals (still available for
my '75). They cost less than half however. Oh well, you get what you pay for
I guess.
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To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Soft Seal vs. Metro


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>> I bought Metro and I am not happy with the quality.
>
>Why is that?  I have metro and they are just fine.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:40:50 -0500
From: "Cote, Jeffrey"
<IMCEAEX-_O=MCCO_OU=MORGAN_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=M947AIM@morganco.com> Subject: RE:
Radiator Problem, Please Help.

	See inserted replies.

> From: 	Ed Binnix[SMTP:comid@jellico.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, August 10, 1998 1:28 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Radiator Problem, Please Help.
>
	>Start with the cheapest things first. Radiator cap (likely suspect)
and
	>thermostat. Remember, sometimes engine heat INCREASES for the first
few
	>minutes after an engine is turned off. Why? No circulation of
coolant. Soon,
	>however, lack of combustion causes cooling (duh). The immediate
increase in
	>temperature "can" cause enough of a pressure increase for the cap
to vent.
	>If the spring on the cap is even slightly weak, it will happen
easily.

In response to previous replies saying this, we have indicated we have new
caps
and thermostats and waterpumps (no sarcasm intended).

	>Head gasket problems are "usually" most obvious when the car is
running.
	>While is "could" be a part of this problem. It's one of the least
likely
	>areas to suspect. I have corrected this spewing problem on umpteen
cars and
	>have never found it caused by a head gasket EXCEPT when there were
other
	>symptoms too. The easiest way to rule out the head gasket, if
you're really
	>worried about it, is to go to a shop and have your coolant tested.
This is a
	>chemical test that detect large amounts of exhaust gasses in your
coolant.

Excellent point.

	>Be aware that many people spit out the words "head gasket" very
quickly when
	>there is a cooling system problem. Also, be aware that ethyl glycol
is a
	>relatively POOR coolant. Water, plain and simple, is better able to
transfer
	>heat. Ethyl glycol won't freeze however. (I know, it will freeze at
some
	>temperature, but we don't live on Pluto.) During the warm months
you can
	>safely reduce your coolant ratio to 25% (or even less) without fear
of
	>excess corrosion. Your car will run slightly cooler that way.

I agree with Ed. I'm safely ruling out head gasket. Since we (Sam and I)
dont
overheat (well, our cars, anyway), it shouldnt be the radiator.  I'll
replace my fan
clutch but I'm flush out of ideas. (No pun intented)

Jeff Cote
72 Supreme H/T

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:00:18 -0700
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: Head IDs, dual exhaust manifolds

Just curious, anybody have the head ID codes for a pair of heads that came
from a '67 442?  The car had C heads.  I grabbed the intake and said heads
a few months ago.

For anyone who is looking for a pair of dual exhaust manifolds:  Do not
forget to check your local pick-your-part type place!  A friend and I found
a Z rt. side manifold on a '73 VC w/a J head 455...  no cracks, he got it
at the 1/2 off sale for $5!  And don't forget to check abandoned vehicles
either..  I found X/Z manifolds on a '73-'74 98 4 door that also had a J
head 455...  shocked the heck outta me.  The Z manifold is fine, however,
the X manifold has 2 cracks and some heat check on it, but I was told it
could be repaired.

Could these X/Z manifolds be put on a small block motor (350/403)?  Would
they fit in a later B body ('77-85)?

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88
350/TH350

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