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oldsmobile-digest     Sunday, September 13 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1479



Oldsmobile For Sale
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Re: AOL h*lp, please
Re: Big Mac's New Car
Re: 69 assembly manual
Re: '66 442 disc brake booster problem
Trans Fluid Leak was Good
Re: Big Mac's New Car
Re: Hotchkis Suspension
Want engine pics for Web page
Re: Want engine pics for Web page
Re: ADMIN: Re: Mr. President????????
Re: Oil pressure/plug gap
Re: sport mirrors, reply
Re: oxidation and stains
Re: names
Re: Oil pressure/plug gap
Re: names
Re: newbie - tire sizes
UNBOUNCE: Diesel ID
Re: 77 OLDS 88 Indy Pace Car FS
UNBOUNCE: Ciera *Convertible* For Sale
Re: names
Re: 69 assembly manual
Re: names
gauges
Re: Want engine pics for Web page
Re: names
(no subject)
X manifolds?
Re: AOL h*lp, please
Re: Want engine pics for Web page
Re: gauges
test
Re: Want engine pics for Web page (long)
please post this
I HATE AOL
Power Steering Services, anybody use them?
Re: Mr President????????
Translation of "SO"
Body SHop in SF bay area?
RE: assembly manual
Re: Translation of "SO"
Re: names
Re: names
Re: 77 OLDS 88 Indy Pace Car FS
Re: gauges
Re: Power Steering Services, anybody use them?
Re: Power Steering Services, anybody use them?
New Carb
exhaust manifolds
Re: Earl Ostreicher
Cutlass Craft
Car Craft
(no subject)
Re:  I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long
Re:  Re: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long
Re:  Car Craft
Re:  Re:  I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long
Re: Body SHop in SF bay area?
Re: assembly manual - fullsize
Re: assembly manual - Originals??
Re: Found; Cast Crank Pulley and vin, valve covers?
Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite
Re: Car Craft
Re: Parting out a '73 Cutlass Supreme
Re: X manifolds?
UNBOUNCE: ISO T-Top Molding
gainsville  win

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:13:52 -0500
From: Carol Farmer <cfarmer@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile For Sale

I have a 1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera Convertible for sale. Good
condition!  It is a Hess & Eisenhardt conversion.  Indianapolis 500
Speedway Edition.  White with burgandy top and interior.  If interested,
please e-mail mail me.  The car is located in Champaign, Illinois.
$3900 obo.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:15:09 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:15:09 -0500
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Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:51:19 EDT
From: Olds409@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL h*lp, please

In a message dated 98-09-11 23:16:00 EDT, you write:

<< When Karl bothered with that stuff, he sent an Email to Karl containing
only
 what he desired as a footer.
 Then Karl saved same in "favorite places" >>

Ray wonders of Karl always talks about himself in the third person.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:32:25 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Big Mac's New Car

yeah too bad the 62 is worth more than the 98 will ever be worth your right
he got screwed.........kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: Big Mac's New Car


>
>
>
>
>
>---Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> cardinal red 62 vette, convertable.    wow, i have got to learn how
>to hit
>> home-runs.
>>
>> mikeytvb@aol.com
>>
>-----But a 62 (I know...62 hr's).....I'd go for 98!!!
>            SMAN
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:04:25 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 assembly manual

I've seen numerous comments regarding assembly manuals over the last
week or so.  I want to share my experience.  My family give me one for
Christmas.  I don't know where they got its but its a reprint with the
name Millenium Industries on it.  Pages and sections are out of order.
The copy quality is poor but its better than nothing.  In fact they
include a disclaimer regarding copy quality.  Buyer beware.  Wayne

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> Not trying to argue or anything, but those assembly manuals are missing 
pages.
I have > copies out of another assembly manual that has the factory striping
info.  Those pages > are missing out of Mark's friends manual.  As I said
before, his copies are much > better than the others. > > Another comment I
have on this subject is the Chevy manuals seem to be much better > than the
Oldsmobile ones.  They are much more complete and the quality is better. > >
-Dan > > >   I got a much better version from a friend of Mark > > > Cornea's.
I have also seen other ones that the two that I own ('68) and > > > they all
seem to be missing different pages. > > > > > > > > >         Dan, > >
A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just a few > > sets 
for
the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the > > complete set
for "A" body. > > > > > > -- > Dan Williams
442Much@plutonium.net > Marion, IA                                     68 442
Convertible

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:06:56 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66 442 disc brake booster problem

In a message dated 9/12/98 1:48:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, COUPEKING@aol.com
writes:

<< Did he have to modify the '79 Trans Am setup at all? or was it a bolt on?
 Peter >>
seems like it was pretty much a direct bolt on, but that was about 8 years
ago, so i dunno...  he got the front swaybar, steering gearbox, and a few
other things off of that car (79 or so t/a).  then again, the brake booster
and master cylinder could be off of a '69 camaro just like the rotors were.
ill try and ask him more about it.
jeremy

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 15:30:49 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Trans Fluid Leak was Good

 A week ago or so I noticed a small puddle of transmission fluid that had
leaked from the tail shaft.  Never had that problem before so I figured I
probably need to replace the rear seal that wasn't that old.  When I got it
over to the garage and put it up on the lift I noticed that the front yoke
was backed out about 2 inches from the tail shaft....WOAH, did the tranny
move forward, the rear end move back, or did the chassis decide to grow
longer????  After closer inspection, I realized that I twisted the drive
shaft and either the front of the tube twisted itself down over the rear of
the tube or the rear of the tube twisted up into the front of the tube and
all that stopped it was the counter weight that's welded at the rear of the
shaft and jammed itself against the front part of the tube.  Noticed little
rubber chunks from the front part of the shaft were working their way out.
Oh yea, and the big clue was that the front and rear universal joints were
no longer lined up.  And I thought that the vibration I felt was the tires.
So, by the shaft shortening itself the front drive yoke left the confines of
the tail shaft bushing and allowed it to flop around enough to open up the
tail shaft seal and leak fluid. That little 10 cent puddle saved me a lot of
headaches and dollars.


   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Big Mac's New Car

- ---Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com> wrote:
>
> yeah too bad the 62 is worth more than the 98 will ever be worth
your right
> he got screwed.........kk

- ---unforunatly true, I'm NOT a big vette fan,but if I was...have to be
63-67 or BRAND NEW...Blue...YES.
 And now on to the OLDS content before I get into trouble.Because of
the "downtime" with the olds list server,I don't know if a post went
through last night <It didn't bounce back to me> ...Can anyone verify
a Q-jet # for me....#17057256.It's supposedly off of a 403...just
wondering.

- ---Thanks,
         SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:46:34 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hotchkis Suspension

I just had their rear suspension arm kit with braces installed.  big
improvement even though I had boxed lower arms and full poly bushings
back there with a 1 3/8" sway bar.  (The bushings got ripped out of
the lower control arms, I guess my shift kit is a little rough on
them).

The Hotchkis ones look a lot stronger.
- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 2:59 PM
Subject: Hotchkis Suspension


>Anyone using Hotchkis suspension components?  I just ordered springs,
>a-arms, trailing arms, sway bars, and some misc. stuff.  I am hoping
to see
>dramatic improvement in handling.  They claim I will but I wanted
some real
>world input.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Travis Adams
>65 442 Sports Coupe
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:33:45 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Want engine pics for Web page

I just got a really good idea.
I want to devote an entire page to the beauty of the Rocket engine.
If anyone has pics of their motor (like the one on my page), please send
me the URL (with your permission of course). I just want to put up a
gallery display of the beautiful engines. It would also be neat to send
me some stats about your motor, like original hp/tq ratings, mods, that
kind of thing.
It would be really cool to have a comprensive display of the Rocket
motor world, wouldn't it?
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Want engine pics for Web page

- ---Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu> wrote:
>
> I just got a really good idea.
> I want to devote an entire page to the beauty of the Rocket engine.
> If anyone has pics of their motor ...........

- ---Well you can count me in IF you don't mind the "non-Olds"
purple....or if you do,but don't like the posted pics, hit me
direct,I'll send you some others.
the address is: http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/307

                Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:59:35 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: Mr. President????????

> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: ADMIN: Re: Mr President????????
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 6:16 PM
>
>
> Obviously a lot of people have strong feelings on this subject (including

> me) but the Olds list is not the place to air them. Let's try to keep it
> off here, OK gang?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

All: I am as guilty as anyone with contaminating the list with junk. Were
beating a dead horse. I don't like him either but, who cares. Enough on TV
without using the list to air our personal feelings. Some humor is good,
breaks the monotony, like the lawn mower thread.  Doesn't really belong on
the list but I put in my 2cents worth also. Hope they hang the S.O.B. Enuff
said.
Lou Biggs

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 05:01:24 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure/plug gap

Is it higher at idle or while cruising?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oil pressure/plug gap
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 10:35 PM
>
> In a message dated 9/11/98
>  10:<BR28:<BR42 PM Central Daylight Ti, Olds409@aol.com writes:
>
> > The other day, I widened my plug gap from .050 to .060.  After doing
so, my
> >  oil pressure seems about 5-7 psi higher on average.  Is this normal?
Does
> >  this means that the plug is kicking the piston down harder and the
engine
> is
> >  producing more power?  I didn't really notice a difference.
>
> Ray,
>
> Whatever you do, DON'T lower the air pressure in your tires until you've
set
> that gap back down!!! :-)
>
> Cheers/Carron

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:06:32 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: sport mirrors, reply

Greg and to everyone,
Greg sent me two sport mirrors for the 75. Packaged great, look great, very
happy, and they didn't throw them over the fence! Personal joke, sorry.
Check him out @ANTIQOLDS@aol.com

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:16:13 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: oxidation and stains

Tom,
Whats a SO?
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
> To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: oxidation and stains
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:34 PM
>
> Try some rubbing compound.  I prefer Meguairs "Fine Cut Cleaner, #2",
> Followed by their "High Tech Yellow Wax, #26".  Once the finish is
> clean, wax it every couple months with the #26 and once a year with
> their "Cleaner/Wax".
>
> The #2 brought back the horribly faded, stained, red finish on our '78
> truck.  It was like a miracle, I couldn't believe how it turned out.  My
> SO (she drives the truck) asked if I got it painted. . .
>
> Tom.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:25:17 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: names

Don Sowers wrote:
>
>
> The Bel Air name first showed up in
> 1953,

No it didn't.  The Bel Air first appeared in 1950 as Chevrolet's hardtop
coupe in the Styleline DeLuxe line (sister to the Holiday 88 - Olds
content).  The Bel Air became the top-of-the-line series in '53,
replacing the Styleline DeLuxe.

> the Impala didn't make an appearance until the 1959 models

Sorry, the Impala appeared as a coupe and convertible in the Bel Air
series in '58.  Other models were added for '59 the Impala replace the
Bel Air as the top-of-the-line series.

> and the
> Caprice line began in 1966.

Sorry, wrong again.  The Caprice appeared as part of the Impala line in
'65.  More models were added and the Caprice became the top-of-the-line
series in '66.  Stayed there until replaced by the Caprice Classic in
'73.

BTW, the Bel Air was last seen in '75, which was the original purpose of
this thread, wasn't it?

Anyway, my apologies to Don for correcting him publicly and to the list
for the non-Olds info.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:39 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure/plug gap

NO!

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oil pressure/plug gap
> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 10:35 PM
>
> In a message dated 9/11/98
>  10:<BR28:<BR42 PM Central Daylight Ti, Olds409@aol.com writes:
>
> > The other day, I widened my plug gap from .050 to .060.  After doing
so, my
> >  oil pressure seems about 5-7 psi higher on average.  Is this normal?
Does
> >  this means that the plug is kicking the piston down harder and the
engine
> is
> >  producing more power?  I didn't really notice a difference.
>
> Ray,
>
> Whatever you do, DON'T lower the air pressure in your tires until you've
set
> that gap back down!!! :-)
>
> Cheers/Carron

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:29:31 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: names

A P.S. -

> Sorry, but the bottom of the barrel bowtie was the Biscayne, then Bel Air,
> Impala, and later on Caprice was the top of the line.

The Biscayne appeared in '58 as a mid-line model (anybody here know what
the base model was called ?), became the base model in '59, and was last
seen in '72.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:29:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: newbie - tire sizes

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Andrew Conkey wrote:
> I am a newbie to this list and have been lurking for a couple of weeks
> now. I recently bought an '84 delta 88 royale coupe. It's in excellent
> condition for its age - interior is flawless, exterior no rust, paint very
> good original shape. It has 80k on the clock. It has the 307Y 4bbl engine,
> runs flawlessly. I wonder if they ever offered this model with the '9'
> engine - bummer mine doesn't have it... It was very well maintained. You
> gotta love the old boats - the thing rides like an airplane. The only
> negative to it (other than lack of a 455) is the th200c tranny, which I
> hear is notorious for failure. Mine seems to be fine, however.

I love those cars. Almost (should've) bought an '85 coupe a couple of
years ago. Gutless wonder but what a nice drive. Only thing I'd like
better is a mint '77-'79 coupe with the 350 or 403.

As for tires, you might want to search out a set of 15x7 wheels (try a
junkyard and look for Caprice police cars) and 70 or 65 series tires. I
don't think Olds ever offered 15x7s on these (anyone know?) but they help
fill out the wheel wells nicely and with the wider tires look great. Also
consider a rear sway bar from the same Caprice if you don't have one. As
for power, wait for the 307 to expire (could be a while) aand drop in a
403....

The rusties seem to bother some of these cars more than others. Quality
varied it seems. I think the '77-'79 suffered more than the later ones.
But they are one of GMs best designs ever IMHO... great chassis.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:31:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Diesel ID

Not on the list, respond to BIKESHOP@bigpond.com if you can assist. He's
in Australia...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Goodsex <BIKESHOP@bigpond.com>
Organization: Tullamarine Motor Cycles & Power Equipment
Subject: YEAR OF MANUFACTURE OF ENGINE

SIR IHAVE A 350 DIESEL FITTED IN MY LOCALLY  PRODUCED PICKUP MADE  BY GENERAL
MOTORS HOLDEN AUSTRALIA  INEED TO KNOW THE YEAR OF MANUFACTURE OF THE ENGINE I
CANT GET ANY SENSE OUT OF ANYONE HERE IN AUSTRALIA AS TO WHAT YEAR OR WHERE
ICAN SOURCE PARTS COULD YOU PLEASE HELP THE ENGINE NO IS
3AM247187 ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED CHRIS WITE SERPENTINE VICTORIA
AUSTRALIA OR YOU CAN E/MAIL US BACK ON
BIKESHOP@BIGPOND.COM

THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE US IN THIS MATTER .

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:33:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 77 OLDS 88 Indy Pace Car FS

On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Don Sowers wrote:
> Local Auto Trader has the following in it:
>
> 1977 Olds 88 Indy Pace Car, original 54k miles, 403 engine, all numbers
> match, 90% origianl, needs restored, can drive car anywhere $3,500 OBO
> 513 724-5569  Located in central Ohio somewhere. The ad didn't say
> where.

Sounds rich for a "needs restored". One of these would be a tough resto...
no repro parts, limited-edition decals, etc., expensive. But what a nice
car when done. Think I'd spring for one in better shape for a bit more
money...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:35:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Ciera *Convertible* For Sale

Interesting car... respond to cfarmer@uiuc.edu if you are interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Carol Farmer <cfarmer@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile For Sale

I have a 1985 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera Convertible for sale. Good
condition!  It is a Hess & Eisenhardt conversion.  Indianapolis 500
Speedway Edition.  White with burgandy top and interior.  If interested,
please e-mail mail me.  The car is located in Champaign, Illinois.
$3900 obo.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:33:08 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: names

My Uncle had a 1950 Chevy Bel Air, It was one of the first Hard Top Conv.(
as they called them), did not have a center door post, I.E. as in a conv. I
was a wee child but I remember................

                                                                  Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: names
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 12:14 AM
>
> David L Wyatt wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, but the bottom of the barrel bowtie was the Biscayne, then Bel
Air,
> > Impala, and later on Caprice was the top of the line.
>
> Haven't been watching this thread weave it's way, but it depends on what
> year bowtie you are discussing.  The Bel Air name first showed up in
> 1953, the Impala didn't make an appearance until the 1959 models and the
> Caprice line began in 1966.  On the others I really don't remember.
> Guess my age is showing just to remember this much.  But then again if I
> can remember it I guess my age isn't showing all THAT much, huh?  My
> grandfather had a 4 dr 1953 Bel Air and my father had a 1967 Caprice.
> Funny some of the things that hang with you as the years pass.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:57:23 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 69 assembly manual

More people collecting Chevy's than Olds's. We get the left overs.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 69 assembly manual
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 2:04 PM

> I don't know where they got its but its a reprint with the
> name Millenium Industries on it.  Pages and sections are out of order.
> The copy quality is poor but its better than nothing.  In fact they
> include a disclaimer regarding copy quality.  Buyer beware.  Wayne
>
> Dan Williams wrote:
> > Another comment I have on this subject is the Chevy manuals seem to be
much better
> > than the Oldsmobile ones.  They are much more complete and the quality
is better.


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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:29:34 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: names

Paul,
Probably older than you, cheapo 150, med 210, top of line Bel Air. fifties!
Bel Air originally was 2 DR HT, later just top of line, 2 DR, 4 DR, and 2
DR HT. more chrome and better interior.
Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:49:27 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: gauges

Can anyone tell me how to check a mechanical oil pressure gauge that is
not in the car, without hooking it up to an engine?

Jim...

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:55:52 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Want engine pics for Web page

I don't have pics, but do have a page with lots of 307 motor information.

http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/cutlass/307spec.html

I guess this would compliment John McJunkin's 307 picture page.  Feel free
to use any of the info you want.

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
E-mail: rocketolds@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 5:30 PM
Subject: Want engine pics for Web page


>I just got a really good idea.
>I want to devote an entire page to the beauty of the Rocket engine.
>If anyone has pics of their motor (like the one on my page), please send
>me the URL (with your permission of course). I just want to put up a
>gallery display of the beautiful engines. It would also be neat to send
>me some stats about your motor, like original hp/tq ratings, mods, that
>kind of thing.
>It would be really cool to have a comprensive display of the Rocket
>motor world, wouldn't it?

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:54:31 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: names

Paul,
Sorry,  Forgot the ragtop, Started the new versions in 1953.

                                       Lou
- ----------
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: names
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 6:29 PM
>
> Paul,
> Probably older than you, cheapo 150, med 210, top of line Bel Air.
fifties!
> Bel Air originally was 2 DR HT, later just top of line, 2 DR, 4 DR, and 2
> DR HT. more chrome and better interior.
> Lou
> lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:02:04 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: (no subject)

Wait,

That should have read, can anyone tell me how to read a factory electric
oil gauge without it being hooked up to the car?

Jim....

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:16:49 -0700
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: X manifolds?

	Okay, I have recieved the PN that came from the X manifold in my prior
message.

"X 406301  D3  LH [some data code after that]"

I have been told that the RH manifold is a "T" manifold, but since the car
had single exhaust, my friend left it.

Soemone had tried to remove the manifold before, the metal clips that hold
the bolt were all bent up.


	My mom has a 1990 Custom Cruiser with around 90+k miles on it.  Was
wondering if a performance chip plus a low restriction 2.5" exhaust would
help it out a little bit.  This has the roller cam in it, and 7A heads.
Would like to dump a 350/403 into it to have some fun once the 307 tires
out.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350/TH350)
'90 Custom Cruiser (307/TH2004R)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:36:38 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL h*lp, please

Ray what software program are you using with AOL?  If it's windows 95  you
should do as Carron says except go to keyword and type get 95 this will
upgrade you to the latest edition of AOL 4.0.  I did have a telephone number
for AOL that I can't find now.  Let me know and I will search for it if
needed.
Hope you luck.
Jerry

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:07:53 -0400
From: Callaway <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Want engine pics for Web page

Jason,

Thanks for the web site of your car. I must say, she's a real beauty. I
have a 1988 Cutlass Classic, also in white and I love the way your's
looks. Come next summer, I also plan to have mine repainted. Not due to
rust, but to minor scratches, wear and tear and paint fade.

I had a lot in stored for the car this past summer, but I didn't find
the time I needed to complete my project. A few months back, I purchased
brand new, out of the box SSIII's. In fact, they aren't even on the car
yet.

This leads me to one question since I am quite ignorant at times and not
as mechanically inclined as I should be. They are 14" rims and I'm
looking to cover as much of the wheel wells as possible with a wide
tire. Can you please give me any suggestions on a good size?
Unfortunately for me, I don't know the differance between P225/60SR14
and P205/70R14.

Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Jimmy

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:46:05 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: gauges

I don't think you can check it without have some type of pressure line
going to it.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: gauges
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 6:49 PM
>
> Can anyone tell me how to check a mechanical oil pressure gauge that is
> not in the car, without hooking it up to an engine?
>
> Jim...

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:03:57 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: test

test, ignore

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:54:56 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Want engine pics for Web page (long)

Jimmy, thanks for the compliments.  I'm sure most people on here know about
this stuff, but I'm posting it publicly just in case...tire sizes are kind
of like codes.  It reads as follows:  "width in millimeters" / "aspect ratio
(%)" R "rim diameter"

So, a 205/70R14 tire "decodes" like this...the tread is 205mm wide, at the
surface.  The sidewall is 70% of the tread width, in this case, 143.5mm.
And the hole in the middle of the tire is 14 inches across, to fit a 14"
rim.  The "R" stands for radial.  So, a 225/60R14 tire has the following
properties: 225mm wide, 20mm wider than a 205mm tire; the sidewall is 135mm
tall (60% of 225mm) and it fits a 14" rim.

The aspect ratio is important because it gives you an idea how tall the tire
is.  So, for our two tire sizes, their height is the following:

205/70R14
= 143.5mm + 143.5mm (the two sidewalls) + 14" (the height of the rim)
= 143.5mm/25 + 143.5mm/25 (convert the mm to inches) + 14"
= 5.74" + 5.74" + 14"
= 25.48" (total height of the tire)

225/60R14
= 135mm + 135mm + 14"
= 135mm/25 + 135mm/25 + 14"
= 5.4" + 5.4" + 14"
= 24.8"

So, as you can see, the 225/60 is about 2/3" shorter overall than the 205/70
tire.  This will affect your speedometer reading.  Without re-calibration, a
shorter tire will make your speedometer read faster.  Imagine putting 5 inch
tall wheels on the car.  Even to go 30 mph, the wheels would be screaming!
On my car, my speedometer reads about 10% faster than I'm really traveling.
I have a shorter rear gear and a shorter tire.  Both are just slightly
shorter than the stock setup (and the speedometer was calibrated in
accordance with the stock setup), but the combination of the two throws the
speedo off by about 10%.

If you have a tire with a letter before the "R", such as SR or HR, that's a
speed rating.  There are many codes out there, Q, S, T, H, V, Z, I think in
that order, from slowest to fastest.  A Q rating is something like 99 mph
and a Z is 149+ mph.  S is 112 mph.  This just means that, for an S rated
tire, you aren't supposed to run over 112 mph for an extended period of
time, because tire decomposition will happen (explosions, blowouts, bad
stuff).

I hope this "manifesto" helps out.

Jason Adcock
E-mail: rocketolds@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Callaway <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Want engine pics for Web page


>This leads me to one question since I am quite ignorant at times and not
>as mechanically inclined as I should be. They are 14" rims and I'm
>looking to cover as much of the wheel wells as possible with a wide
>tire. Can you please give me any suggestions on a good size?
>Unfortunately for me, I don't know the differance between P225/60SR14
>and P205/70R14.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:06:05 EDT
From: JDrake5192@aol.com
Subject: please post this

WANTED: 1981-1987 Cutlass Supreme T-Top moulding. JDrake5192@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:13:30 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: I HATE AOL

Well, I tried the aol free for a month thing for 2 days, and it got my
goat real hard.  because of some fatal error, in order to continue using
it, I'd have to reinstall it and go through everything again, and "flash
sessions" messed up my brother's computer.  Also, it disconnected me many
times for no aparent reason.  Out of nowhere, I'd here "goodbye" and that
was it.  bastard.

So now I have this free Juno account, and so far it seems cool.  I would
recommend it so far...
Best of all it's free, and seems quite simple.  I don't have any internet
provider or anything, so the only charge is the occasional calls to my
server at the bottom of my county to send and retrieve mail.  I fI lived
closer to Philly or Bristol, it'd be completely free.  So if anyone else
cares only about email and does not want to be paying for all the
internet stuff, hook up with some totally free Juno.  see ya
Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass


Rocket409@juno.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Power Steering Services, anybody use them?

Has any one used Power Steering Services Springfield MO.
to rebuild their Steering Gearbox?
Pleased with their work? etc?

Jeff Stanish

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:13:51 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Mr President????????

Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:
>
> At least you guys have an interesting president.  Here in Canada, our Prime
> Minister Cretien (not sure how to even spell his name) is never to be heard
> from or about.  I bet that even if he tried (and I bet he does) he could not
> get any intern to talk to him.  Just joking.....

Want to trade?  And I'm NOT joking.  If the economy was in the trash
where you couldn't afford big boys toys, like 442s GTOs, etc, he would
probably ALREADY be up for impeachment.  About time to go raid a country
that doesn't have the capability to fight back again to get the heat off
bro bill.  (small letters intentional)  That tactic has worked in the
past.  Better watch out in NS Greg, bill is looking for a target to get
the public eye off him and his multitude of problems.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:07:38 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Translation of "SO"

Just guessing here and not trying to put words in Tom's mouth but I'd take the
"SO" as meaning "significant other"...!! Am I right Tom?????????????


Mike

____________________________________________________________

From:          "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>

Tom,
Whats a SO?
Lou Biggs







"If music be the food of love..............
            PLAY ON....."

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Body SHop in SF bay area?

Anybody know of a 1st class body shop in the SF bay area?   I would like a
show quality job without breaking the bank too much.

Jeff Stanish

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:13:43 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: assembly manual

Did they make assembly manuals for the big cars too?
I could use one (or a set..) for my 66's.

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com [mailto:Padavano.Joe@orbital.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:22 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: assembly manual
>
>
> A buddy of mine has a set of the green originals, he ran just a few
> sets for the Olds meet in Springfield and they went fast. His ARE the
> complete set for "A" body.
>
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> _______________
>
> So Mark, are you doing this just to torment us, or do you
> think there's a
> way to get your friend to run additional sets?
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Translation of "SO"

- ---krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> Just guessing here and not trying to put words in Tom's mouth but
I'd take the "SO" as
> meaning "significant other"...!! Am I right Tom?????????????


- ------I agree...that's what Pat says all the time "SO when are you
going to....."But yes that's also what I've been told.
                SMAN
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:36:35 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: names

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> No it didn't.  The Bel Air first appeared in 1950 as Chevrolet's hardtop

> Sorry, the Impala appeared as a coupe and convertible in the Bel Air
> series in '58.

> > and the
> > Caprice line began in 1966.
>
> Sorry, wrong again.  The Caprice appeared as part of the Impala line in
> '65.  More models were added and the Caprice became the

> Anyway, my apologies to Don for correcting him publicly and to the list
> for the non-Olds info.

Well, not to worry about the public corrections, but I was referring to
when they became a separate line, not as a part of another series.  As I
stated I have/had not been following this thread as I have been speed
reading the list instead of each post due to time constraints (you know,
work and that kind of stuff).  Sometimes necessity interfers with fun
from time to time, as you all well know.  As for the non Olds content,
no argument other than I wish I had one of my cars redone for this time
of year.  As I told my wife tonight, I am totally bored and the only way
known to me to cure the BLAHS is to get one of the convs restored or buy
another one ready to go.  Been a long, hot, DRY summer in Nicholasville,
Ky and the summer time blues are in full force.  Feeling the need for
speed, you know lots of power, 4 spd trans, posi and the top down with
an appreciating female riding shotgun. Drive in, case of cold ones and a
loaded hot pizza on a moderate summer night.  I don't think it gets much
better.  Only problem is the Cutlass conv hasn't been started on, there
is only one drive in left in our area and the pizza would be cold by the
time we got there.  Other than that it sounds great.  Hope everyone is
having a good cruise tonight, and I hope I can join in NEXT year with a
current car or an unyet purchased one.  :)

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:44:19 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: names

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> The Biscayne appeared in '58 as a mid-line model (anybody here know what
> the base model was called ?), became the base model in '59, and was last
> seen in '72.

My book says it was called the Delray.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:46:58 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 77 OLDS 88 Indy Pace Car FS

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Don Sowers wrote:
> > Local Auto Trader has the following in it:
> >
> > 1977 Olds 88 Indy Pace Car, original 54k miles, 403 engine, all numbers
> > match, 90% origianl, needs restored, can drive car anywhere $3,500 OBO
> > 513 724-5569  Located in central Ohio somewhere. The ad didn't say
> > where.
>
> Sounds rich for a "needs restored". One of these would be a tough resto...
> no repro parts, limited-edition decals, etc., expensive. But what a nice
> car when done. Think I'd spring for one in better shape for a bit more
> money...
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg,

I would agree most of the time, but this one looks pretty decent in the
photo that was included.  As you well know, what one person considers a
piece of junk another person thinks needs minimal work.  I just thought
it might be worth a phone call if some one was looking for one.  I
generally stay in the 69-72 Cutlass/442/Hurst area.  Picture did look
decent though.

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:23:18 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: gauges

Maybe you could connect a line to it, fill it with a oil and blow into
the other end to see if it works.  Or blow with some compressed air to
avoid drinking oil!

If you're concerned with the accuracy of it, you'd need a way to
determine how much pressure you're applying.  I'd get a can of comressed
air and hook it up to a pressure guage to determine the pressure, and
then hook it to the oil pressure guage to see if they're the same.  But
some law of fluid mechanics may be violated in comparing air pressure to
fluid pressure caused by air pressure???
Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass


Rocket409@juno.com

On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:46:05 -0500 "Peter Landowski"
<PETTRIX@prodigy.net> writes:
>I don't think you can check it without have some type of pressure line
>going to it.
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>----------
>> From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: gauges
>> Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 6:49 PM
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to check a mechanical oil pressure gauge that
>is
>> not in the car, without hooking it up to an engine?
>>
>> Jim...
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:09:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: Power Steering Services, anybody use them?

>Has any one used Power Steering Services Springfield MO.
>to rebuild their Steering Gearbox?
>Pleased with their work? etc?

They do excellent work, really know their stuff. Everyone I have talked to
has been very satisfied. They even ship restored gearboxes overseas because
their work is so good.


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
J. Bryce Smith
Email: <a href=mailto:bryceman@442.com>bryceman@442.com</a>
Web: http://442.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:48:47 EDT
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Power Steering Services, anybody use them?

In a message dated 98-09-12 22:23:34 EDT, you write:

<<
 Has any one used Power Steering Services Springfield MO.
 to rebuild their Steering Gearbox?
 Pleased with their work? etc?
  >>
Yes, and they did a great job.

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:55:14 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: New Carb

Well guys and gals, I finally got the new Q-jet in for my Toro.  Even got it
installed yesterday.  Thing is, It seems to bog down.  I dont know too
terribly much about 4bbl carbs (mainly due to the fact that eveyrting I have
driven for the past 6 years or so was fuel injected) and would liek to know
how to adjust the carb.  It acts as though too much gas is gettin into the
intake, i.e. mixture too rich.  So what do I do, and how???

for more detail it is a Q-jet on a stock 67 425.  It just doesnt seem as
peppy as it was with the old leaky carb on it...

Thanks,
Jeff


><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:12:42 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: exhaust manifolds

Are there "free-flowing" exhaust manifolds for small blocks, specifically
72 350 (7a heads)?


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

Rocket409@juno.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:06:01 +0900
From: Jim Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Earl Ostreicher

Bought some rims about 5-6 years ago.  2 all chrome SS1s for $250, seemed a
bit pricey at the time but the rims were in good shape and showed up in
reasonable time.

Jim

Greg wrote:

> Has anyone out there bought any parts from Earl Ostreicher in Fla.  If so
> would you share your experiences.  He has some parts I want but I am a bit
> worried about buying parts from someone without a return policy.
> My address is gjackso1@san.rr.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:18:38 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Cutlass Craft

And, did y'all see the 70 Cutlass in the current Car Craft.
It's got:
350 diesel block with 425 crank
displacing *442* inches
14.12:1, nitrous, big fat slicks
and 17 oz. of rubber stuck to each quarter panel.
Pretty cool, especially with the W30 hood.

Also, a homemade "adjustable top timing-chain gear and two piece
removable cover".

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

Rocket409@juno.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:10:23 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Car Craft

Waiting to see what Car Craft does with a G-body.  Really hope it's not
an SS...	
October 6th...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:09:25 +0900
From: Jim Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:17:05 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long

Tony,
Can you tell me more about this 84 H/O parts car? Int, color T's? etc.
Thanks,
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:19:55 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long

Let me echo Rays words!!!!
You must of stepped in @#$%
Green with envy!
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:29:25 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Car Craft

Me too!!!!
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:31:04 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re:  I'm Back and 84 Hurst Olds Q Sorta long

Tony,
Where are you located??
John,
JJP442@aol.com
(reply direct if you prefer)

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:17:15 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Body SHop in SF bay area?

Jeff,
where abouts in the bay area do you live? I lived in Pleasanton for about 2
years, my sister in law lives in
Livermore and I could get the names of some shops she
has her GTA to.

Kevin White
83 CSB, FE3X clone
86 CS

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:48:07 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: assembly manual - fullsize

In a message dated 98-09-12 22:38:03 EDT, you write:

<< Did they make assembly manuals for the big cars too? I could use one (or a
set..) for my 66's.
  cf >>

No doubt.

Karl has asked much.
Nobody seemed to think so.
Think a full size for '70s was seen but cannot confirm.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:53:02 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: assembly manual - Originals??

In a message dated 98-09-12 14:18:15 EDT, you write:

<< Another comment I have on this subject is the Chevy manuals seem to be much
better than the Oldsmobile ones.  They are much more complete and the quality
is better.  >>

Again the prob is that these are copies of copies of copies.
Prolly done hastily so's could get orig. back before it was missed.

Does anyone have any idea if the original manuals still exist?
If they did, would it be possible to access them for reproduction?

Anyone??

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 04:21:47 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Found; Cast Crank Pulley and vin, valve covers?

In a message dated 98-09-12 00:12:52 EDT, you write:

<<  I've got a cast crank pulley on the 350 in my car.  I was under the car
trying to find the timing mark on the harmonic damper.  There is supposed to
be a line on it, isn't there?  First time I have ever messed with timing,
anyway the engine is currently in an '81 cutlass.  Originally car had 350
diesel - previous owner switched to gas 350 - three months after I bought the
car it threw a rod and a cheap rebuilt long block was installed.  I have
always wondered where exactly this engine came from, so coincidentally I also
recently did my best to read the number off of the block. >>

Is it possible that the cast pulley came originally on the 350 deisel?

That could explain why you threw a rod.

Converting from diesel involves different reciprocating parts and thus
changing the inertial charateristics of the internals.

If you still got the cast pulley on new block, you may best be served by going
to a normal stamped pulley and the stock V.D. (vibrational damper) for 350.
Although the rebuild may neccesitate having stock v.d. rebalanced.

<< question 1: What can someone tell me about 36X205428 which I understand is
part of the vin stamped on my block. >>

Karl disavows knowledge of smallblock stamping #s.

<< question B: How can I find the timing mark that indicates tdc on #1 piston
ona 350 olds? >>
<< P. S.    I just looked in my Chilton manual and the timing mark is on the
pulley isn't it?   >>

Yah.
Should be on the edge of the v.d. or cast pulley.
Karl does not exactly recall whether cast pulley had a timing mark or not.

With the trigger line hooked to #1 plug wire, and the timing light aimed along
the belts to the belt-driven accessories on the driver's side, you should be
able to aim the light at the v.d. and see a line etched (cut) across the edge
of the v.d. Hopefully said light is illuminated near a small metal projection
which has marks that typically indicate 10 degrees BTDC to 0.

When I broke my v.d. (duh!), I got a reman one for 425 from Fusick's. It was
painted black! So I borrowed a drop of my brother's chrome paint, and painted
only the inside of the groove that is the timing mark.

Hard to miss that!

<< question III: I have seen some of the rocker covers that have OLDSMOBILE
stamped in them.  Was there anything special about these engines or were these
rocker covers used during certain years? >>

This is actually a topic that David Brown is trying to study. The Olds
letterins appears sometime in block letters, sometimes in upper and lower
case, andoccasionally in script! Some valve covers have oil baffles that
differ from other valve covers. I do not know about uses in W engines or such
but they definitely varied from year to year.

Dave has an assortment that he has been interested in cleaning up and
chroming!

I am sure he might sell you a set if you are interested.
Actually, we need to get pics of the different styles posted somewhere.

Contact D. Brown at dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu

He will also be at Kane County Fairgrounds in St. Charles, IL today.
With valve covers and dual-hump crossmembers, I expect.
Oh, and a cast crank pulley.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 04:22:19 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Information.. was Re: Toro Graveyard, revisite

In a message dated 98-09-11 14:20:08 EDT, you write:

<< hey have a rear axle, but it is mroe like the steel bar taht connects the
rear wheels, kinda like modern FWD's.  Basically it is just a steel beeam with
the wheel hubs attached at the ends... >>

This for the 1967, right?

Again, you will really be dealing with jack for this, but should not be a
prob.

Send info on quick n dirty way of getting it off frame.

This is really a towing & salvage joint, you want chrome wheels if rusty?

K

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:37:34 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Car Craft

If it does turn up to be an SS, lets all sign an angry note and dare them to
print it.  I don't remember the last time they did a project like "Cheap
Street Cutlass" or any other car that was not a Chevy.  Cheap Street
Chevelle, Heavy Metal I and Heavy Metal II (really liked these two thought),
LT1 60's Camaro, and so on.  Why don't they take a Cutlass, GS, GTO,
Charger, Valiant and build it up and keep adding to it or make a Heavy Metal
Delta or so.  I like that Magazine and even though they are promising change
I remain skeptical.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/Th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200R4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

- -----Original Message-----
From: JJP442@aol.com <JJP442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Car Craft


>Me too!!!!
>John
>JJP442@aol.com
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:28:09 EDT
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out a '73 Cutlass Supreme

do you still have the posi rear end,,, if so what gear is it? thanks Jeffrey
Fieldsend, Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 02:56:49 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: X manifolds?

Good luck with the 307 tiring out.  Anyways, I don't know about the chip but
the exaust will help a bit.  Remember thought, the 307 will react little to
simple bolt on mods like exaust and so on (unless stock is in terrible
shape).  What I did on my Delta back when I had the 307 in it was get an
exaust pipe for a 350 Disel (you can get this for your Cust.Curs.).  It is
one pice, was 2.5" diametar from this supplier and had no place for a
Catalytic converter.  So this pipe went all the way back from manifold to
muffler.  I put this and a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler, nixed the tailpipe
and put only a downturn pipe.  The car was not loud but had a proper street
machine sound.  I then added a tailpipe and the car turned dead quiet.
With and without tailpipe the car felt more powerfull over all.  I had a NEW
exaust (stock) with no Catalytic when I replace it and the difference was
still there.  If your system is old, you will notice a difference.  Then
best part about this is that you can keep you stock exaust pipes and
Catalytic in case you need to pass emissions of something.   Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/Th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200R4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jones <mike@gleep.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 6:40 PM
Subject: X manifolds?


> Okay, I have recieved the PN that came from the X manifold in my prior
>message.
>
>"X 406301  D3  LH [some data code after that]"
>
>I have been told that the RH manifold is a "T" manifold, but since the car
>had single exhaust, my friend left it.
>
>Soemone had tried to remove the manifold before, the metal clips that hold
>the bolt were all bent up.
>
>
> My mom has a 1990 Custom Cruiser with around 90+k miles on it.  Was
>wondering if a performance chip plus a low restriction 2.5" exhaust would
>help it out a little bit.  This has the roller cam in it, and 7A heads.
>Would like to dump a 350/403 into it to have some fun once the 307 tires
>out.
>
>Mike Jones
>'78 Delta 88 (350/TH350)
>'90 Custom Cruiser (307/TH2004R)
>
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:01:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO T-Top Molding

Not on the list; respond to JDrake5192@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	JDrake5192@aol.com

WANTED: 1981-1987 Cutlass Supreme T-Top moulding. JDrake5192@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 07:46:51 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: gainsville  win

Well we made it to the final round last night and got first place
trophy. The olds realy has its sh t together .It was turning 7.42 at
92.02 in the 1/8 and 1.67 60 ft .it kicked ass on dot street legal..
lethel to the fords and chevys   Butch 68 442 post

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