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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 2 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1401



UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries
Re: A ? for the experts...!
Re: 2nd Request
Re: HBO movie
Re: A ? for the experts...!
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
Re: bugs in the HEI?????
Re: Rust
Re: Paint
6 banger Firebird
Re: A ? for the experts...!
Re: 2nd Request
Re: Paint
Re: Rust
Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
poly bushings question - need reply
Re: poly bushings question - need reply
Re: Meeting Time for this Sunday's Union, IL Get-together
Re: A ? for the experts...!
Re:  86 442 wheels for sale
68 toro oil filter adapter
Re: 2nd Request
Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment
Re: 80 Olds 350 running rough
Re: A "?" for the experts
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: G-body heater hose questions
Returned mail: User unknown
Re: 69 Parts Needed
Olds literature
Re: Olds literature
Re: Olds literature
Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
Re: 69 Parts Needed
'61 Rear Clip Needed
Re: LAND BARGE HELP please,please:)
UNBOUNCE: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries
G-Body Gauges?
Re: Radio Lamp Replacement
'66 driveshaft diameter
Garage Stuff
Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
NEED HELP WITH 84 Side View Mirrors
WTB: MANUAL steering box
Re: NEED HELP WITH 84 Side View Mirrors
Re: Garage Stuff
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
Car Shows and Trophy Talk
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment
Re: Car Shows and Trophy Talk
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
Re: UNBOUNCE: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries
Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:00:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<Z28442@aol.com>

I would like to know who makes the dual ram air hood for the 83-88
Olds 442 you can e-mail me at Z28442 thanks

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 06:15:40 -0400
From: Dream Eagle <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

Is it possible that it is not the original block??? I agree that it comes with
some outstanding options for an anemic engine.

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/2/98 2:04:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BIGJERMES@aol.com
> writes:
>
> <<
>  All that stuff came on a 6cyl????  are you sure it wasnt a 6.6 liter 
instead?
>  did you look under the hood?  who knows, that bad boy might have a 403 olds
>  under the hood!!
>   >>
> 100% pos that its a 6cyl...if im wrong, il buy a chevy !!! It really is a 6.
> It has the dual scoops on the hood also, which is for sale!!!
> Bernie

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:22:26 +0800
From: "Rosalie Pech Eva" <rpecheva@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries

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Can anyone help me with information about my F28 Oldsmobile 6 Tourer, which
is a vintage car probably of the 1920s era. It is supposedly the only one
registered in Australia.

What year was my car made?

Where can I get parts for the engine and information about restoration?

It has a Tillison carburettor: is this original?

Thankyou for your help,
Rosalie

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:40:50 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: A ? for the experts...!

Mike-you did not mention the year of your car.  If is a '60's or early '70's
model, then the only motor I can think of that might be running in that
locale is the blower motor.  However, I can't associate that with an engine
run problem.  Could there be a causal relationship, or was it coincidental?
How about a little more data?  Peter.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:40:41 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: 2nd Request

Hi Lou,

I never saw your first request and apparently others didn't either.
Sometimes posts get lost, sometimes people are busy and skip over things.

Rather than get mad and possibly put some folks off I suggest doing what I
did a few weeks ago.  After I got no response to a request I posted again
and said in the subject area that I was really desperate and really needed
the help.  Got about five great responses.

My grandmother once told me that "you can catch more flies with honey than
you can with vinegar."

The list is a great bunch of people.  So I suggest that you try again and
this time explain what it is that's the problem rather than infer that
everybody's an *sshole.

hope this helps,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

=====================================

>> From: Lou J. Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Don't know what to call it.
>> Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 5:08 PM
>>
>>I really need help here, which i thought this was all about. another two
>weeks and I won't be able to drive the car. I thought we were working
>together. Otherwise  I'll get the hell off of the list.

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 07:39:51 -0400
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: HBO movie

>The car was in really good shape, but I can't tell if it's a 442 mock-up
>or an incorrectly restored 442. It has Cutlass Supreme grills, a C/S
>emblem on the door panels, Cutlass Supreme wheel well moldings (the
>short moldings) and I Cutlass Supreme hood w/ a '69 H/O hood scoop
>setup.
>
>They had 2 cars one good one and one they bashed up, it's good to know
>that they didn't bash a perfectly good Olds, but they did a very poor
>job of switching between the two. One seen it was all beat up, then the
>next it was perfect again - go figure, I guess it's NOT for the car
>buff.
>
>Stephen Hoover
>Dallas, Texas
>'70 Supreme
>

I was hoping someone would mention this movie.  It is an HBO Original and
is entitled 'Black Cat Run.'  It was your typical brutal blow up this, blow
up that kill him maim him type movie.  For what it was I enjoyed it.  The
Olds 442 was mean with roll cage and nitrous setup.  He used the nitrous at
high speed for a longer time period than I've ever heard of then started
hitting the tank when it ran out!  Yeah if you hit it hard enough you might
just get enough to completely elude the fuzz.  Anyway it was kinda' neat to
watch a couple old classics do battle and run cross country.  The bad guys
started in a old 4 door caddy then stole a '71 or '72 Chevelle.  The good
guy started in a tow truck and then drove his Olds 442.

Jim Brady

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 08:15:00 -0400
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: A ? for the experts...!

>
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:23:58 EDT
>From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: A ? for the experts...!
>
>Hmmmm.
>Dunno why your a/c might be on...
>Possible it is the blower motor?
>(Nah, not likely..)
>
>Have you done anything to the vehicle lately?
>(you know like install an electric choke which feeds off of the a/c?)
>
>Hope you track it down...
>
>KA
>&SOM
>
I had this problem once but heard the humming after I shut the car off.  It
was the electric choke.  Some how I wired it to the +12 instead of the
ignition.  Good Luck.

Jim Brady

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:39:43 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

>>  All that stuff came on a 6cyl????  are you sure it wasnt a 6.6 liter
instead?
>>  did you look under the hood?  who knows, that bad boy might have a 403
olds
>>  under the hood!!
>>   >>
>> 100% pos that its a 6cyl...if im wrong, il buy a chevy !!! It really is a
6.
>>

My sister-in-law had some sort of sport  Pancho in the 70's with a big 6
cyl.  4.1 ltrs maybe? It moved rather impressively. Looked pretty hot too.

drc

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:42:22 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: bugs in the HEI?????

OK...I know I'm not the bestest mechanic in the world, so tell
me....just where is this module located????????
Mike.......
________________________________________________________


It sits under the rotor, in the bottom of the distributor. A little black
plastic thingie with a flat wiring connector attached to it.

drc

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:45:15 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Rust

While I was at the local auto paint store I saw a spray can of some stuff
that claimed to turn rust into primer. You spray it on, wait over night, and
it reacts with the rust to turn it into something you can sand and paint
over.

drc

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:50:48 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Paint

>under no circumstances should you wet sand the color coats with this system
>or any other bc/cc system this will dull the finish and create an adhesion
>problem for the clear

Not true with all brands. R-M recommends 1200 or 1500 grit sanding (if
necessary to remove dust or bugs) on their Diamont polyester basecoat. But
it's not ~required~ like it would be with laquer 2 stage painting.

drc

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:53:31 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: 6 banger Firebird

Guys,    (and Lisa)

            The 78-79 Firebird could be had with the Buick 231 motor.
My girl friend drove such a car - plenty of room in the engine bay -
easy to maintain.....

            Just my opinion
            The General

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:14:42 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: A ? for the experts...!

> From:          "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> Subject:       Re: A ? for the experts...!

> Mike-you did not mention the year of your car.  If is a '60's or early '70's
> model, then the only motor I can think of that might be running in that
> locale is the blower motor.  However, I can't associate that with an engine
> run problem.  Could there be a causal relationship, or was it coincidental?
> How about a little more data?  Peter.

Follow up on "A ? for the experts".....
    Apoligies to the list for lack of some very helpful info...
The 442 that's acting strange is an '86 and the "running wierd"
is the backfiring throught the carb when applying pressure to the
accellerator, missing and motor dying when put under a load. The
noise under the hood is on the right side of the engine compartment,
sounds to be under all the a/c piping just above the top rear of the
right side fender well. I've disconnected the wiring connectors to
the blow motor and the noice persists. I took the battery out and it
is currently charging. Hopefully in a few minutes, I will reinstall
the battery, get the car running and into the garage. After I got the
car home from the running rough, it was parked outside and had been
started two or three times to move it while I mowed. The noise is NOT
coming from the a/c compressor. Now take note that the car was
running just fine and dandy before these strange events started
happening. I stopped at an ATM and while the car was idling,
something went amiss, just all of a sudden. If I can't figure
something out today, I'll get my resident mechanic to give it a ride
on his rollback and a trip to the doctor's office..!!

Thanks for all the replies and helpful input from list members..!!
Back out to the garage..!!

Mike...........
Ironto VA

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 08:23:49 -0600
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2nd Request

HI Lou,

At 10:15 PM 8/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> From: Lou J. Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Don't know what to call it.
>> Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 5:08 PM
>>
>>I really need help here, which i thought this was all about. another two
>weeks and I won't be able to drive the car. I thought we were working
>together. Otherwise  I'll get the hell off of the list. 	

If I remember correctly, your original request was for an ignition switch
escutcheon for a '68 Cutlass (or 442).  I sent you personal email telling
you that I have reproduced these in aluminum, there was another reply to
the list that stated you could use the escutcheon from a big car (88 or
98?), and there was yet another that stated there was a gentleman at the
nationals who at reproduced that piece.

Bob

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 07:40:35 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Paint

I sit corrected never used R-M just dupont and ppg products but can see the
problem with dust and bugs but they probably suggest recoating prior to
clearcoat...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: Paint


>>under no circumstances should you wet sand the color coats with this
system
>>or any other bc/cc system this will dull the finish and create an adhesion
>>problem for the clear
>
>Not true with all brands. R-M recommends 1200 or 1500 grit sanding (if
>necessary to remove dust or bugs) on their Diamont polyester basecoat. But
>it's not ~required~ like it would be with laquer 2 stage painting.
>
>drc
>
>

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 07:49:55 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Rust

duro used to make a spray called extend didnt work worth beans also way back
they had a stuff called noverox claimed the same "turns rust into a stable
metal organic compound" that could be sanded primed and painted never used
it but know folks who did it didnt work that great as stated in another post
the products from por 15 work well
but you need to get the rust out of there first or it will come back to
haunt you the coatings from por15 can bridge small holes but I wouldnt
reccommend it as a practice to remove the rust use ppg metal prep 79 or a
similar acid product and steel wool or scotch bright to remove the rust then
coat it with a non porous coating like por 15 or a self etching epoxy prime
and paint remember that the trunk paints are not water proof and need to be
coated with clear to protect them hope this helps...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: Rust


>While I was at the local auto paint store I saw a spray can of some stuff
>that claimed to turn rust into primer. You spray it on, wait over night,
and
>it reacts with the rust to turn it into something you can sand and paint
>over.
>
>drc
>
>

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:16:18 -0400
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

try VFN fiberglass at 630-543-0232 or 888 VFN WINS.  They had Ram Air hoods
for 76-77 Cutlass's so I'll bet they have them for yours.  The price is
around $340.  The only problem though is that it takes a month for them to
manufacture it.

Chris Kugler
talcarol@erie.net

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:52:41 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: poly bushings question - need reply

List,

                Has any one installed poly A-arm bushings lately. I was
supplied with a tube of grease but not sure if I lube the bolt and steel
shaft or the bushing and housing,,,,,,,,

Tanks
The general

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 10:50:12 -0600
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: poly bushings question - need reply

Patton wrote:
>
> List,
>
>                 Has any one installed poly A-arm bushings lately. I was
> supplied with a tube of grease but not sure if I lube the bolt and steel
> shaft or the bushing and housing,,,,,,,,
>
> Tanks
> The general


Your supposed to lube the bushing faces so they don't creak - dat's a
good one!

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 08:58:11 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Meeting Time for this Sunday's Union, IL Get-together

> But Andy will not be able to read this,

No, here I am; just checking my messages before departure...

> and I will be present, but not showing my car.

*splutter*  D'OHHH! Now you have deprived the Olds List of the
chance to see you with the famous Soylent Ocean Mist. I do have
a picture from last year, FWIW, but without the owner present.
(Whoops, never sent you a copy, did I?  :-(

> So we have until 2:00 to find a familiar name....

Let's look for a gleaming black 442. Jeff...?

> Last year I was assigned group "O" but mebbe different this
> year....

Last year was our first appearance there, with a whopping two
cars, if memory serves, but it was enough to get us on the
mailing list, so this year we might get assigned something
other than "Miscellaneous", I hope. See you there. Look for a,
um, portly gentleman with tan shorts, white shirt, short beard
and carrying a camera on a bright red Canon strap.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:03:04 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: A ? for the experts...!

>     Apoligies to the list for lack of some very helpful info...
> The 442 that's acting strange is an '86 and the "running wierd"
> is the backfiring throught the carb when applying pressure to the
> accellerator, missing and motor dying when put under a load. The
> noise under the hood is on the right side of the engine compartment,
> sounds to be under all the a/c piping just above the top rear of the
> right side fender well.

Here's SOMETHING that may help, but again, without being there....

Do you have a power antenna???  Sometimes, when these things go on the
fritz, such as the nylon actuating cord breaking, the motor could run
continuous.  I know it sounds weird, since the key needs to be ON for
this to happen in the UP direction, but the motor energizes in the DOWN
position when you turn off power to it.  I can't think of any other
motor that could be in that vicinity such as you described.  Just
shooting from the hip.

About the backfiring...Get that computer system checked out.  If you
have some sort of a "code" set in, then you may be able to find the
cause. Down and dirty, I know, but there's a cheap and easy way to find
out what code it is.  By grounding the pin connector under the radio
housing, (short the two UPPER RIGHT pin connections together with a
piece of wire or small metal paper clip), and then turning the ignition
to the ON position, (don't start it) the check engine light will flash.
It will cycle through each "code" with a series of flashes 3 times.  For
instance, one flash, followed by two quick flashes, indicates a code 12,
which is normal when the car isn't running.  Just means the ECM circuits
are functioning normally.  (if running with a code 12, means distributor
signal is messed up).  By allowing the computer diagnostics to go
through a cycle, you can find out if there is a "hard" code set into the
ECM memory.  If you see any other code flash besides 12, then that
malfunction could lead you to the problem.  If you don't know what the
code means, write us back.

Another thing that COULD wreak havoc, is the EGR valve malfunctioning.
If it sticks open at idle, it would run extremely rough.  Also, FWIW,
you may want to check to see if the carb hold down bolts are snug.  This
could cause a rough idle as you describe.

Just some rambling thoughts.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:25:02 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  86 442 wheels for sale

Where are you from? I have to consider shipping along with my bid.
Thanks,
JJP442@ aol.com

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:35:49 -0400
From: "-DLM-" <dmengel@nb.net>
Subject: 68 toro oil filter adapter

 a while back (last week of july) somebody was looking for an oil filter
adapter for a 68 toro . I just realized i have one if they are still
interseted  please e-mail to dmengel@nb.net

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:55:56 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 2nd Request

What do you need help with Lou?

Lou J. Biggs wrote:

> ----------
> > From: Lou J. Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Don't know what to call it.
> > Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 5:08 PM
> >
> >I really need help here, which i thought this was all about. another two
> weeks and I won't be able to drive the car. I thought we were working
> together. Otherwise  I'll get the hell off of the list.
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:58:00 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment

Its OK ,none taken.

Kerry Kroger wrote:

> no offense just lettin' you know no worries...kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: babyboo@pacbell.net <babyboo@pacbell.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment
>
> >OK so I'm not so smart. After sending the post I reread the post I sent and
> saw
> >I was wrong. My mistake.
> >
> >Kerry Kroger wrote:
> >
> >> actually the buick version was the apollo the skylark was an a body
> >> and the skyhawk was an h body ...kk
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: babyboo@pacbell.net <babyboo@pacbell.net>
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 5:24 PM
> >> Subject: Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment
> >>
> >> >you say "skylark" which  is incorrect. It actually was called a
> "skyhawk".
> >> I
> >> >know because this was my firt car. Just my 02 cents
> >> >
> >> >cecilia laughton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Isn't that interesting. Not many Omegas and F-85s built in that
> year--a
> >> >> decline in the popularity of the X body in general because of the
> >> previous
> >> >> gas shortage or just in that model? I'm wondering how the Nova, the
> >> Skylark,
> >> >> and the Ventura (or was it the Phoenix?) fared out in that time frame?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cecilia Laughton
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:12:08 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: 80 Olds 350 running rough

Found the problems.  It was a cracked spark plug wire and 2 of the vacuum hoses
going to the cruise control were cracked.  Runs better than it did before the
painting.  I used Dupli Color paint and pretty much painted everything..

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:10:35 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: A "?" for the experts

Ok list, the problem with the phantom motor running in my '86 442 has
been solved but not repaired. With the help of Mark Tupper and a few
other list members, I found the connector plug to the power antenna
and cut the power to the motor. Still have some other problems, but
for now all is well and good. Again my hats off to the members who go
out of their way to help and answer fellows listers questions. I am
glad to be part of such a fine group..!!

Mike.
Ironto VA
'86 442
'86 Supreme
'71 Monte

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Found the problems.  It was a cracked spark plug wire and 2 of the vacuum hoses
going to the cruise control were cracked.  Runs better than it did before the
painting.  I used Dupli Color paint and pretty much painted everything..

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:14:33 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: G-body heater hose questions

Well I have ran the car for a few days with the shortened heater hose mod and 
it
seems to be running 10 degrees hotter than normal.  Now that shortened hose may
have nothing to do with it, but that is the only thing that I have touched on
the cooling system.  Oh and on the GN, first good 86-87 I find the 80 442 is
history :-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>I've shortenned mine with no problem.  I've also wonderred why they did this.
>I'm sure there was some engineering reason, like vibration, or heater
>efficiency, or chafing on other parts, or something, but all that stuff makes
>little difference in the Rockit anyway.
>
>So what's the latest on the GN???
>
>
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Well I have ran the car for a few days with the shortened heater hose mod and 
it
seems to be running 10 degrees hotter than normal.  Now that shortened hose may
have nothing to do with it, but that is the only thing that I have touched on
the cooling system.  Oh and on the GN, first good 86-87 I find the 80 442 is
history :-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car



>I've shortenned mine with no problem.  I've also wonderred why they did this.
>I'm sure there was some engineering reason, like vibration, or heater
>efficiency, or chafing on other parts, or something, but all that stuff makes
>little difference in the Rockit anyway.
>
>So what's the latest on the GN???
>
>
>--
>Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|
>mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:09:40 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 69 Parts Needed

I just rembered where I got the same piece of chrome for my 70/442. Theres
a guy out here in northern california that has TONS of parts for
Oldsmobiles. His name is Lawrence Camuso. His business is called "West
Coast Sheetmetal". His business card reads <'' Locating Service For All
Makes& Models 1950-1980's*Sheet Metal*Body Trim*Accesories. You can reach
him at 1-408-286-6537. Hope this is helpfull. He's a real good guy & owns
quite a few nice cars himself.

Don Sowers wrote:

> M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> > a piece of chrome for my brother-in-laws car. It is a 1969
> > Olds Cutlass S Convertible and he needs the Chrome piece
> > that runs along the top of the rear drivers side quarter
> > panel. If you know where we may purchase such an item,
> > please email us ASAP. I enjoyed you site and will email you
> > a picture of our car if you like upon restoration
> > completion. Thanks again. Brenda
>
> Hey Mick,
>
> Welcome back.  I would also like to find the same piece of chrome that
> she is looking for.  Anybody got one (or two)?
>
> Hot down South this time of year, isn't it?  :)
>
> Don Sowers
> Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Olds literature

Hello All,
     I know this is probably nothing...but here goes anyway.
I found a "1972 Guardian Maintenance Service Schedule" in the
garage.It's near perfect,(no tears,slight greaseprints)If anyone out
there is interested in this to go along with there owners manual
etc,let me know.
          John




==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: John <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds literature

- ---John <super442@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>      I know this is probably nothing...but here goes anyway.
> I found a "1972 Guardian Maintenance Service Schedule" in the
> garage.It's near perfect,(no tears,slight greaseprints)If anyone out
> there is interested in this to go along with there owners manual
> etc,let me know.
>           John

OOOPs forgot to add,Does anyone have any extra late model info they
want to part with?if so,e-mail privately.Thanks,John
==
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73 http://www.442.com/mcjunkin.html
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof-307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!
 mailto:super442@yahoo.com


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:14:53 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds literature

  HOW MUCH   OLDS GUY

THANKS JEFF

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:46:05 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

Chris,

Did you buy one of these hoods yet?  If so, what'd you think of it?

At 11:16 AM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>try VFN fiberglass at 630-543-0232 or 888 VFN WINS.  They had Ram Air hoods
>for 76-77 Cutlass's so I'll bet they have them for yours.  The price is
>around $340.  The only problem though is that it takes a month for them to
>manufacture it.
>
>Chris Kugler
>talcarol@erie.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:39:52 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Parts Needed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: 69 Parts Needed


Hi Don,
Sure miss the real time List. Yeah, it is hot in Southern MS right now. It's
especially bad having nothing to do after work; no computer, no cars to play
with.
Good luck finding the chrome piece. I didn't realize they were that scarce.
Take Care,
Mick Gillespie

>
>Hey Mick,
>
>Welcome back.  I would also like to find the same piece of chrome that
>she is looking for.  Anybody got one (or two)?
>
>Hot down South this time of year, isn't it?  :)
>
>Don Sowers
>Nicholasville, Ky
>

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:45:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '61 Rear Clip Needed

Forwarding a msg from Chris Witt, he couldn't help the guy... respond to
d43cas@morgan.ucs.mun.ca if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:25:49 -0230 (NDT)
> From: Curtis Stanley <d43cas@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

> A friend of mine just
> aquired a 61' olds delta 88 4 dr ht.  it has rear end dammage and needs
> trunck cover, bumper and othere related rear parts.  he doesnt have internet
> access so if you could let me  know it would be great.  thanx again

Reply to:

> Curtis Stanley
> d43cas@morgan.ucs.mun.ca

Please!

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:46:26 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: LAND BARGE HELP please,please:)

>        Need some help from you delta guys...Have a friend (believe it
>or not:) ),with a 1976 Delta, need to pull the instrument cluster and
>replace.I haven't looked at the car yet,but he says you have to pull
>the whole dash to get to it.I really find this hard to believe.Can
>anybody shed some light on this subject?I just want to know what I'm
>getting myself into here.
>             John


It depends on what you mean by instrument cluster.  The speedometer assembly
can be easily removed: 3 screws in the plastic cover (they go upward into
the top dash cover), 4 screws holding the face plate in.  Pull out the 2
idiot light lens assemblies.  This gives you access to most of the light
bulbs, and I think there's only 4 or 5 nuts holding the speedo assembly in.

If you mean the entire plastic moulding which houses the speedo, printed
curcuit, headlight switch and controls, etc., then you have to take the
whole dash apart.  Not hard, but follow the instructions in the '76 service
manual: it goes over all the steps in the right order.  Helpful also,
because a lot of the screws can be hard to find.  It's also easier to do if
you remove the steering wheel: creates more room and means you don't have to
bend the upper dash cover when removing it from the car.  Learned this the
hard way: cracked the dash while removing it.

Good luck ...


Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88 Convertible
66 Toronado
67 Bu*ck Wildcat

75 Delta 88 (R.I.P.)

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:00:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries

A message from a new member in Australia! Let's try and help. Isn't a F28
a 1928 model?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Rosalie Pech Eva" <rpecheva@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries

Can anyone help me with information about my F28 Oldsmobile 6 Tourer, which
is a vintage car probably of the 1920s era. It is supposedly the only one
registered in Australia.

What year was my car made?

Where can I get parts for the engine and information about restoration?

It has a Tillison carburettor: is this original?

Thankyou for your help,
Rosalie

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: G-Body Gauges?

     Hey folks! I am in the process of installing aftermarket gauges
under the dash in my 86 Cutlass. I already have the 3 gauge panel
mounted. I removed the ashtray for good in this process. I drilled the
panel and now it mounts with the same screws that used to hold the
ashtray assembly.
     My question is: What's the best place to drill a hole in the
firewall to run the water sender and oil line through? These are mech
gauges so I need a hole about 1" diameter for the water sender. Or
does a hole exist already that I missed?






==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:12:51 EDT
From: <GT5726@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Lamp Replacement

you are right in that removing the radio is neccasary. You also have to remove
the "nose" of the radio to gain access to the bulb...not hard...but time
consuming....are you sure that the connections are correct on the back of the
radio?...The internal bulb is controled from the same curcuit as the dash
lights...(it should be able to dim with the dash lights when you twist the
headlamp control counter-clockwise)

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:12:45 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: '66 driveshaft diameter

I just pulled a driveshaft out of a '66 vista-cruiser at a junkyard
, sadly someone got the roof glass and broke some trying. :(
This new drifeshaft seems to be the right length, but is smaller in diameter,
about 3" compared to 5" one in my VC (its also about 60lbs lighter).
Can anyone forsee problems using this thinner driveshaft? It will
eventually be
behind a mostly stock 350, edelbrock carb/manifold/cam combo and a TH350
auto.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:27:09 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Garage Stuff

Hi Yawl.

I am in the process of clearing some space to make room for more Olds
parts.  I have noticed that I have a overkill in some parts so I though I
would offer some up cheap, well kinda cheap.  Anyways

Windows  -  All kinds of side glass and some back glass,  there are some
convertible 1/4 glass but its all clear.  I do have a few sets of tinted
Hardtop glass.   If there is something special you want me to look for just
ask.  All glass pieces are for 68 - 72 and are $10 ea.
Seat belts  -  A whole big box full,  all kinda colors so just ask.  $3 ea.
or ??
Bumper Brackets  -  To many to describe all for 68-72 $15
Seat Backs & Sides (Buckets)  Some gold , some black, some white $??
Bucket seat Tracks -- The actual tracks the buckets attach to $??
Convertible Rear Side panels  --  Black, blue , green, white, and I think
brown
Door Panels  --  A 3 foot pile I don't know what so just ask and I will dig
Kick Panels  -- Some for AC some for not $40 for no air $75 with AC
Upper Fan Support Brackets -- Lots, lots , lots.  But none for 4 core $5ea.

All stuff plus shipping

I also seem to have a large amount of engine brackets, including some AC
stuff

What I am trying to do is clear out the les important stuff so I can
protect and store the harder to locate stuff.

Let me know

See ya later,I gotta go for my Sunday night drive in the Ragtop
You know that cruise night thingy


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:58:24 EDT
From: <Z28442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

No I didn't have my 87 442 at the time.But I thought it was cool as hell

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:59:18 EDT
From: <Z28442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '83-'88 Ram Air Hood

Thanks alot

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:17:05 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

There IS something wrong with this description.

At 07:13 PM 8/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all, My friend just gave me his 79 Pontiac formula, 6cyl !!!  P/s p/b.
>Now, I know this has been beaten to death, but IM sure its worth it for me to
>save the 4 wheel disc set up right?  Also is the sway bars good for my 67 a-
>bodies that I have?  It also has a nice set of 15" 15 x 8 snowflakes that ill
>keep.

According to the "Illustrated Firebird Buyer's Guide" (Motorbooks
International), 1979 Formulas could only be ordered with the 4.9 (base),
the 5.7 (high-altitude), the 5.0 (California), the 400, or the 403.  All of
these were V8 engines.  V6 engines were available on Base Firebirds &
Esprits, but 4-wheel disc brakes could not be ordered at these trim levels.
 In addition, you could not order the twin-scoop hood as a seperate option
on ANY car (it only came as standard equipment, and only on Formulas).

Therefore...I resectfully submit that the car is either a) a
Firebird/Espirit that didn't originally, or doesn't really have now, all of
the options listed (most specifically 4-wheel disc & the hood) or b) a
Formula that has a non-original (and stupid) V6.

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:27:11 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: NEED HELP WITH 84 Side View Mirrors

Well, the Delta got me safely to and from Austin yesterday with only a few
problems, and none of them serious.

One thing that I need to fix is/are the side view mirrors.   There's the
door panel, and then there's a chromed stalk that's attached to the door,
and then the mirror housing sits on top of the stalk.  The housing is
secured to the stalk by two screws that are mounted in front of and behind
the mirror itself.

On the driver's side, both screws have disappeared, and one has disappeared
on the passenger's side.  So now the driver's side mirror is only attached
to the car by the control cables for the mirror, and the housing whips
around a whole bunch on the highway.

I cannot get a screwdriver positioned to put new screws, becuase the mirror
is in the way.  How do I get those screws back in there?  Do I have to go
at it from the inside of the door?  Is there a way to just pull the mirror
out of the housing so I can get to the screw holes and attach the housing
back to the stalk?  I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE ON MY OTHER '84 BUT I FORGOT HOW
I FIXED IT!

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 16:29:54 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: WTB: MANUAL steering box

Anyone have a 64-70 manual steering box in good shape?

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:41:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: NEED HELP WITH 84 Side View Mirrors

I'm not totally clear whether your problem is the mirror assembly
flopping around because its unattached to the door, or if the mirror head
is separating from the stalk, but I'm guessing the latter.

Anyhow, I'm becoming an expert on these things. I got another one
yesterday. It might work, not sure. But in any event, on these remote
mirrors there is a screw that attaches the mirror assembly to the
housing. You can get at it by pushing the top of the mirror glass back as
far as it will go. Once that screw is out you can move the glass and
cables around enough to get at the screws holding it to the stalk. One of
those 90-degree screwdrivers might help, but it seems to me I did it
without one.

I wonder why the screws are missing though. Pot metal housing, might be
stripped or rotted. Hope not. Good luck -- I've come to hate remote
mirrors. Basically unfixable.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:41:42 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Garage Stuff

Oh, man, I know *exactly* what that's like!  Every Sunday evening, I take
the recycling to the pickup center (about 15 minutes away), so it makes for
a wonderful little drive.  And of course, I always find new and longer ways
to go...  :-)

And it's just wonderful when the car's freshly washed and the T-Tops are off
and the sky's clear and the temps are in the upper 70's...mmmmm...

Jason --who just got back from *his* Sunday drive-- Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 6:27 PM
Subject: Garage Stuff


>See ya later,I gotta go for my Sunday night drive in the Ragtop
>You know that cruise night thingy
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>Niagara Falls, Canada
>905-357-4454
>1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:45:41 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

A 4.9L V8?  From GM?  I thought only Ford would try to label a 4.9L as a
5.0L (a la the often-used-in-the-past but great--IMHO--302 cui. V8)!

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs


>According to the "Illustrated Firebird Buyer's Guide" (Motorbooks
>International), 1979 Formulas could only be ordered with the 4.9 (base),

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:52:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Car Shows and Trophy Talk

Went to another show today. Lots of trophies, 3 each in about 10 classes.
All of us were in the single GM class so there was a wide array of cars in
the running. But geez, what won were a '52 Pontiac 2-door sedan (nice, but
dull), a '57 Chevy with a totally incorrect interior (why, I dunno, when
you can just order the right one out of a catalog), and a '67 Camaro with
the ugliest paint job I've ever seen -- some sort of luminescent
multicolored tinsel metalflake in it, first thing I'd have to do is paint
it. It got first place. :(

I no longer bother getting either upset or excited about trophies at shows
because of too many examples of situations like this. I've seen too many
poorly done cars collect the hardware while nicely restored originals
never get a call. But I wonder if this is the case in most places, or just
around these parts? Your best bet to win a trophy at a show here is to go
to your local speed shop, buy some Moroso chrome valve covers, an
Edelbrock chrome air cleaner, some yellow plug wires, some braided hose
and a few cans of Rustoleum gloss black and spray everything under the
hood without cleaning it first. Slap on the aftermarket stuff and hey
presto, a show winner. OK, a slight exaggeration. ;-) But it seems
correctly restored cars with years of effort almost never seem to get
noticed. Is this the same elsewhere?

BTW, my pal Brian did win a trophy (deservedly so) for best interior. 2
weeks, 2 trophies. He'll be insufferable the rest of the year. ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:10:25 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

Errr, the 86-87 chevy 305 cu motor was actually a 4.999 liter. :)

Jason Adcock wrote:

> A 4.9L V8?  From GM?  I thought only Ford would try to label a 4.9L as a
> 5.0L (a la the often-used-in-the-past but great--IMHO--302 cui. V8)!
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs
>
> >According to the "Illustrated Firebird Buyer's Guide" (Motorbooks
> >International), 1979 Formulas could only be ordered with the 4.9 (base),

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:10:04 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

Is this the 301 I belive it was? I think it was also offered as a turbo motor.
At 07:45 PM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>A 4.9L V8?  From GM?  I thought only Ford would try to label a 4.9L as a
>5.0L (a la the often-used-in-the-past but great--IMHO--302 cui. V8)!
>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:30:02 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 75 Omega re: Paul's comment

Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> actually the buick version was the apollo the skylark was an a body
> and the skyhawk was an h body ...kk

Actually, the Skylark was an A body only up until '72 and was then
dropped.  In '75 (the year in question), the Apollo was the 4-door model
of Buick's X body and the Skylark was the coupe and 2-door hatchback
model.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:51:57 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Car Shows and Trophy Talk

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I no longer bother getting either upset or excited about trophies at shows
> because of too many examples of situations like this.

I was kind of amazed at one of the Best of Class cars at Springfield.
The owner of this car may be on the list, or some of you may know him.
It is not my intention to throw stones, but just don't see how this
situation worked out.  I had a friend who had his '64 Cutlass
Convertible in whatever class it belongs in.  Also in that class was a
'62 Jetfire STATION WAGON.  The Jetfire wagon won best of class.  Not
that it wasn't a nice car, it was.  And, it was a neat idea.  But if
never existed!  How can you give best of class to a car that doesn't
exist?  My opinion is that that car belonged in the modified class (or
something), because it was created, not restored.  Not that my friend
would have made best of class by any stretch of the imagination, but it
just doesn't seem right that a stock restored (or original) car lost
best of class to a "what if".

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:06:45 -0400
From: Peter Flinkfelt <pftno1klr@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

Nope, got it from the factory Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am manual.

clarence wirtz wrote:

> Is this the 301 I belive it was? I think it was also offered as a turbo 
motor.
> At 07:45 PM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >A 4.9L V8?  From GM?  I thought only Ford would try to label a 4.9L as a
> >5.0L (a la the often-used-in-the-past but great--IMHO--302 cui. V8)!
> >
> Clarence
> 86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
> San Antonio

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:02:29 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> A message from a new member in Australia! Let's try and help. Isn't a F28
> a 1928 model?

Uh-huh.

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Rosalie Pech Eva" <rpecheva@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>
> Subject: F28 Oldsmobile 6 Queries
>
> Can anyone help me with information about my F28 Oldsmobile 6 Tourer,

Please give a definition of "Tourer".  I am reading this to be an open
4-door.  Does it have side-mounted spare wire wheels?  That would mean
it's a Deluxe.

> which
> is a vintage car probably of the 1920s era. It is supposedly the only one
> registered in Australia.
>
> What year was my car made?

1928, denoted by the "28" in F28.

> Where can I get parts for the engine and information about restoration?

That's a good questions...  unfortunately I don't have experience with
parts for cars this old.

> It has a Tillison carburettor: is this original?

Don't know, will have to try and do some more research on that.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:58:16 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Pontiac for sale.............. here??? and 4 whl discs

Yes it was.  In 1980 & 81 you could order the 4.9 liter turbo in either the
Trans Am or the Formula.

At 12:10 AM 8/3/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Is this the 301 I belive it was? I think it was also offered as a turbo
motor.
>At 07:45 PM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>A 4.9L V8?  From GM?  I thought only Ford would try to label a 4.9L as a
>>5.0L (a la the often-used-in-the-past but great--IMHO--302 cui. V8)!
>>
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
>San Antonio
>
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