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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 31 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1457



Olds NHRA Drag motor question....
Re: Anybody have specs for 70 350 2bbl?
What?! (Re: Anybody have specs for 70 350 2bbl?)
Re: Good Will Hunting
Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....
70 350 2bbl Mods
Balancer interchange???
Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....
want off the list
Re: Aluminum heads <Gainesville>
Re: heads   1/8 mile
Oil Pressure/ Oil Cooler
Cam ???: W-31 or W-30
What is the ideal Q-jet>
Re: What is the ideal Q-jet>
1964 olds super 88
Re: Floorpans for 71 delta 88
8-tracks: Need a Favor
Re: heads   1/8 mile
Re: Q-Jet adjustment Q.
Re: Oil Pressure/ Oil Cooler
Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info (was: Floorpans for 71 delta 88)
Re: Peter Bausch (sp?) was Re: will it work?
Re: Salem Car Show
Jeep/Olds/ignition ?
Carb
Oldsmobile Parts Supply info
Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator
Re: will it work?
Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator
Re: Norm Oil Pressure??
Re: 8-tracks: Need a Favor
Re: 8-tracks: Need a Favor
Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator
Re: Carb
Composite? headlights
give me info on this year model
Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info
Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info
Dualjet Carb.
1985 Oldsmobile 442
Re: heads   1/8 mile
Re: Dualjet Carb.
Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....
Re: Salem Car Show
Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator
Re: Salem Car Show
Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442
Re: give me info on this year model
Re: Composite? headlights
Re: Dualjet Carb.
Re: give me info on this year model
Re: Good Will Hunting
Re: Aluminum heads <Gainesville>
Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator
Re: MAYBE W-32?

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:47:27 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....

Bench racing at the bar the other day, Defending Olds as usual, and my ch*vy
friend said that the Olds Pro Stock Drag motor was the Olds external block
w/ch*vy internals.............say it aint so !!!  Any thoughts so I can shut
him up???

Bernie

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:59:37 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Anybody have specs for 70 350 2bbl?

>I'd just like to see if anyone has some horsepower and torque numbers for
such a unit. That's what my 70 S has been nicknamed, "The Unit".
>
Hey Matt,

1970 350 2V

250 hp @ 4400 rpm, 355 lbs torque @ 2600 rpm, 9.00:1 comp

Randy

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:17:26 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: What?! (Re: Anybody have specs for 70 350 2bbl?)

RANDY A GEISEL wrote:
>
> >I'd just like to see if anyone has some horsepower and torque numbers for
> such a unit. That's what my 70 S has been nicknamed, "The Unit".
> >
> Hey Matt,
>
> 1970 350 2V
>
> 250 hp @ 4400 rpm, 355 lbs torque @ 2600 rpm, 9.00:1 comp
>
> Randy

Wow! With only a 2bbl? It has the same cam as my 73 did! And my 73 had a
4bbl and only 180hp! Guess that shows how much one point of compression
can make! It has the same amount of tork as my 73 has now with #6 heads,
9.5-1 compression, and a healthy cam! Just wait 'til I put the race cam,
manifold, and 4bbl on it!

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:37 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Good Will Hunting

> At first I thought it was a Delta but then I thought it was a 98.

Yeah, I couldn't decide for sure, either.  Never stood still long enough, I
guess, but I finally surmised it was a Delta.  Just didn't look fancy enough 
for
a 98... :)

I'll CC to the list, incase anyone else saw the show yet (but don't give away
the tragic ending, for those that haven't...  :)

> It had round headlights so its no older than 1975.

Id'a swore they were square...  Four of 'em, signals on the outside, double
split grilles (two sections per side)  I'm wanting to call it a 76 Delta, but
not 100% certain.

> It also had a "stick up" rocket hood ornament. My Delta has just a
> "stick on"rocket emblem in the middle of the grill.

Didn't notice the hood ornament.  Not sure how they did those then, I've seen
some with both styles on 'em...

> Maybe I'll rent the movie and study it further.

Funny, with the dialog style used so much in the movie, it still wound up being
so well critically acclaimed.  That was a bit of a suprise to me...  Gotta
wonder how many parents brought their kids, thinking they'd get to see a
"learning" type show....  Suprise!!!!  :)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:53:27 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....

> friend said that the Olds Pro Stock Drag motor was the Olds external block
> w/ch*vy internals.............say it aint so !!!  Any thoughts so I can shut
> him up???

Not sure about all the internals, but wasn't the DRCE set up to accept BB chev
and/or Batton heads?  Keep in mind that these blocks were introduced long 
before
Edelbrock made a set of heads for the Olds.


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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:58:56 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: 70 350 2bbl Mods

Matt,

Some things to consider on this engine would be to change out the 2V to a QJ
- -- even with 9 to 1, you'd have a pretty stout combination.  Raced Grace this
way in 94, just don't go too large on cam, 9 to 1 won't like a large cam.  You
could have the heads milled a little bit to bump the ratio a small amount and
still be OK for the street.  And get the thinnest head gaskets you can -- we
get ours from Dave Smith Engineering, they are a little thinner than the run-
of-the-mill gaskets.

This engine, with the proper care and feeding, will last through a lot of use
(and abuse) but will not be the screamer a well-built W31 350 or most any 455
will be.  By the way, the 9 to 1 350 we raced in Grace back in 94 was a
factory stick-shift 1969 engine, and we plan on using it as a back up should
we need it.

Hope this gives you some choices to consider.  Good uck and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:01:53 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Balancer interchange???

> ><< Sorry to come late to this thread.  Is this engine a reman?  Or did this
> > thing just puke it's balancer?

> >I believe what is needed is willa 307 vib.dmpr worlk on 403.

Not sure about which CID's used which balancers, and if they're 
interchangeable,
but I'd tend to lean on the "not" side, myself.  My 403 met it's tragic demise
that way.  I'd found (used) the equivalent of the Fluidamper for Olds (Couldn't
find any name on it, but rumored to be a Mondello product)  Anyway, I just
popped it on the 100K+ engine, and added an intake at the time (as I recall...
Been awhile)  Ran great for a while, never really noticed any difference, but
after a few months, the crank broke, right behind #2, sending ~everything~ in
front of the fracture forward.  Right through the block, into the water pump,
and through the radiator.  F**ked it up ~hard~  Near total loss on engine.  
Kept
cam and intake, and oil pump.  I think that's it.

Anyway, the machine shop speculated that a faulty balancer most likely caused
the problem.  Didn't think you'd have to balance a balancer like that, still
seems a bit odd to me, but I can't argue the fact that the engine was instantly
reduced to shrapnel...  Use incorrectly at your own risk, I guess....


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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:18:15 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....

I remember seeing an article on these engines not long after they came out,
and unfortunately the rumours are true -- it's really a C-word big block
redesigned to eliminate the shortcomings of the original design.  Cranks,
rods, cams and valvetrain are all standard Brand C items.  The cam is in a
slightly raised position from stock, so a timing chain is probably a new item,
and oil pans are not interchangeable, either.  The heads are redesigned by
Warren Johnson and have more bolts around each cylinder that before, so they
can handle higher compression.

They said then displacement could be anywhere from 350 to 650 CI, plenty of
clearance for stroker cranks down below.

Sorry to break the news, but decided that the truth had to be told.  Like a
song by my favorite band (The Rainmakers) "It's hardly ever like you think,
it's almost always like you fear"

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:36:52 EDT
From: Edokuhl@aol.com
Subject: want off the list

can someone tell how to be removed.......???????????

    thanks in advance


                                     edo

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:20:57 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminum heads <Gainesville>

What were you running before? Did you change the cam also?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Aluminum heads <Gainesville>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 8:21 AM
>
> Well here it is , Temp 99 humidity 95%  1st run 12.192, 2nd 11.961, 3rd
> 11.902,
> 4th 11.880. no 5th run track shut me down till proper safty equipment.
> 60ft went to hell,
> I know it has a lot more.  it was worth the time,  the aggravation, {
> the money?} well at least I think so. { the wife dont}    Butch 68 442
> post

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:27:37 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile

What kind of cam do you have in the motor? Is this a race car or a
street(meaning can you and do you drive it for over 15 plus miles on the
road while stuck in traffic?)....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 12:36 PM
>
> They are 1 7/8 ,  do you know something thet I should?
>
> KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 98-08-30 12:02:16 EDT, you write:
> >
> > <<  old times for 1/8  7.885 at 87.35   7.891 at 87.06  7.951 at 86.64
new
> >  times 1/8
> >  7.596 at 90.26    7.566 at 90.98    7.551 at 91.01             Butch
68
> >  442  post  >>
> >
> > You prolly posted this before, but what is the diameter of the
primaries in
> > your headers.
> > (if you run headers)
> > I am just trying to get an idea of where the peak of your torque curve
is.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > SOM
> > &KA
>
>

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:36:38 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Oil Pressure/ Oil Cooler

Two questions I hope someone can answer...

1. Would installing an oil cooler be a good idea? Would it reduce the oil
temperature(therefore raising oil pressure)? Also the added 1 quart
capacity would reduce oil thinning?

2. Is it common to have oil pressure drop 5 pounds when driving at
2800-3000RPM plus for a sustained period of time(10miles on the freeway)?

It's actually more than two questions!?!?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:45:47 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Cam ???: W-31 or W-30

Would a W30 cam give a SB better performance than a W31 cam, or are they
speciffically engineered to fit their respective engines?


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1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl)
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:51:17 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: What is the ideal Q-jet>

When one plans to convert a 2bbl to a 4bbl (70 350), what should be THE
Q-jet and manifold he is looking for? Or, should I just go with the RPM
manifold and 750 CFM Edelbrock carb?
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1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl)
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:00:27 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: What is the ideal Q-jet>

At 04:51 PM 8/30/98 +0100, you wrote:
>When one plans to convert a 2bbl to a 4bbl (70 350), what should be THE
>Q-jet and manifold he is looking for? Or, should I just go with the RPM
>manifold and 750 CFM Edelbrock carb?
>-
I was wondering this myself.
Also what Q-jet part #'s have a place to attach a TH350 cable to them?

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:09:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: KINNEYLM@webtv.net (MIKE KINNEY)
Subject: 1964 olds super 88

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I have a 64 olds super 88 with a 394 moter, I would appreciate any info
on how many super 88s were built that year with the optional 394 engine.
also any other info on this vechicle or good websites where i can find
info on this.
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:23:29 -0700
From: "Dieter R Schafer" <dieter@3-cities.com>
Subject: Re: Floorpans for 71 delta 88

Will you please send me the site for USA Parts Supply?
thanks!
Dieter R. Schafer
ICQ # 5180073 Or ICQ # 15373222

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:27:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 8-tracks: Need a Favor

I spent the day rebuilding some old 8-track carts for the Olds. What a
bizarre design... anyway, I hope someone down in the USA can do me a
favor.

Radio Shack used to be my source for the foil sensing tape these use to
signal a track change. Unfortunately, all the RS stores up here
discontinued it a while back. I got a roll last year in the US, but I need
more, and I forgot to look this year when I was down there. I hear they
are in the process of dropping it there too, so I want to pick up some
while it's still around.

If someone is in a RS store down there, maybe you could take a look for
me? Pick up 2-3 packages of the stuff. RS catalog # 44-1155, 1/4" foil
sensing tape, I think it's $3.99 a package but who knows? My treasured US
funds are waiting to be sent your way... ;-)

Actually, maybe it's best if you just report seeing the stuff rather than
buying it outright. Then I can ask you to pick it up for me. That way I can
prevent getting a couple of hundred rolls of it...

Thanks in advance!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:34:37 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile

I guess I can drive any where I want.I have 180 therm, 4 core rad. clutch fan
I drive it on the road here in Florida and I dont have a overheating problem ,
411 gears with overdrive
 the chevy and ford guys just shake there heads  and the same cam  Butch

Peter Landowski wrote:

> What kind of cam do you have in the motor? Is this a race car or a
> street(meaning can you and do you drive it for over 15 plus miles on the
> road while stuck in traffic?)....
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
> ----------
> > From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile
> > Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 12:36 PM
> >
> > They are 1 7/8 ,  do you know something thet I should?
> >
> > KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 98-08-30 12:02:16 EDT, you write:
> > >
> > > <<  old times for 1/8  7.885 at 87.35   7.891 at 87.06  7.951 at 86.64
> new
> > >  times 1/8
> > >  7.596 at 90.26    7.566 at 90.98    7.551 at 91.01             Butch
> 68
> > >  442  post  >>
> > >
> > > You prolly posted this before, but what is the diameter of the
> primaries in
> > > your headers.
> > > (if you run headers)
> > > I am just trying to get an idea of where the peak of your torque curve
> is.
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > SOM
> > > &KA
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:56:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Q-Jet adjustment Q.

Hi Tom,

> I rebuilt the Quadrajet on my '78 Cutlass this past weekend and I think
> I touched something I wasn't supposed to.  In front of the hanger for
> the primiary metering rods in a "stop" that screws in.  There's a post
> on the front of the hanger that hits this stop.  I assume this is to
> adjust the base height of the metering rods.  I took the stop out for
> cleaning, not realizing it was an adjustment (so I didn't count turns or
> anything like that).  I figured out my error right away and attempted to
> guess at it's old height.
>
> Can anyone tell me the proper adjustment for this "stop"?  How critical
> is it and what's the likely effect of it being misadjusted?
>
> On the up side, the car seems to run fine with the adjustment the way it
> is.  Since this is my beater, I don't care about ultimate power and tune
> so much, as long as it runs okay and doesn't damage the engine. . .  The
> carb rebuild was certainly helpful, the car runs all around better.  I
> didn't solve the crank-for-twenty-seconds-to-start problem after the car
> sits for more than a day (I was *sure* it was the well plugs leaking,
> guess I was wrong), I'll probably just live with the problem.

Just catching up on some Olds mail and came across your post...

You're right, it does limit the downward travel of the primary metering
rods.  The lower the metering rods sit in the jets, the leaner the light
throttle mixture will be, so this is an adjustment for economy, not
maximum power.  I've never taken one out completely; have a look at
another Q-jet and set it by eye.  The air horn has a removable plug which
allows access to this main metering screw while the carb is assembled.  I
fabricated a tool from some thin sheetmetal so I could make some
adjustments on one particular car.  I drilled a small hole in the plug so
it can be removed using a self-tapping screw and some pliers.

With regard to the cold start problem: Is the choke valve completely
closed when the car hasn't been run for, say 8 hours?

Kevin

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:06:06 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure/ Oil Cooler

> 1. Would installing an oil cooler be a good idea?

Sure.

> Would it reduce the oil temperature

The word "cooler" sort of implies that it would, yes.  :-)

> (therefore raising oil pressure)?

Maybe a little, but not enough to notice, IMHO.

> Also the added 1 quart capacity would reduce oil thinning?

If you're talking about thinning due to temperature, I doubt
it; if you're talking about thinning due to contaminants, yes
to a certain extent since the overall quantity of oil being
diluted is now higher.

>2. Is it common to have oil pressure drop 5 pounds when
> driving at 2800-3000RPM plus for a sustained period of
> time(10miles on the freeway)?

Yes.

Basically it's a good thing to have an auxiliary oil cooler;
it helps cool the oil and in turn cool the engine. The engine
is not going to run cooler than its thermostat, but this will
help keep its operating temperature down when under heavy load.

> It's actually more than two questions!?!?

NOOOOObody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!  :-)

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:15:24 -0400
From: Andy Mikesell <andymikesell@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info (was: Floorpans for 71 delta 88)

This is a pretty good supplier for parts - I was able to get a number
for brightwork pieces and other parts for my convertible.

Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply LTD.
8595L Euclid Avenue
Manassas, VA  22111
(703) 335 1935 - voice
(703) 335 0904 - fax

- - Andy Mikesell
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Dieter R Schafer wrote:

> Will you please send me the site for USA Parts Supply?
> thanks!
> Dieter R. Schafer
> ICQ # 5180073 Or ICQ # 15373222

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:14:03 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Peter Bausch (sp?) was Re: will it work?

>> I believe what is needed is willa 307 vib.dmpr worlk on 403.
>>
>> Karl thinks not.
>
> Say whut?

What Karl is saying is, "A fellow Olds motoring enthusiast has
inquired as to whether the harmonic balancer from an Olds 307
CID engine will function optimally and safely when mounted upon
the crankshaft of an Olds 403 CID engine. It is my considered
opinion, based on extensive ownership of an Oldsmobile motor car
in a highly unusual shade of green, that this substitution of
parts would be a poor choice indeed."

That's what Karl is saying. Highly abbreviated, of course...

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:48:09 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show

Hey all, I am glad you had a good time.  I wish I could ahve been
there.  But I had to work, ys know?  gotta make money tyo sink into the
Toro...  but I am off the next three Saturdays, so if you want to do it
again, let me know.  I would like to meet you guys, and throw another
Olds to the mix...
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		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- -----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:38:37 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Jeep/Olds/ignition ?

Saw a jeep wagoneer today that had a Olds hood ornament....you know the
kind...vintage, really big chrome rocket w/ wings, kinda like the one on my
56.....looked cool but too bad he didn't have the right car under it !  Maybe
I'll put the one off a 57 or 58 Olds dynamic on my Beretta that I snagged at
the junkyard....

So now for the ?

The firing order on my 56, 324cid is different than that of other motors in
that I think mine is 18736542 and most others start out 183 or 184 or
something.  I was told that  Olds motors are different than chevy..bla bla
bla... How hard would it be to find electronic ignition for my motor?  Does
MSD make different systems for the older cars?  I know that the kit I looked
at was about 400 dollars, it had 3 different profiles, and was for
chevy....not Olds....what gives?  Oh ya and please don't flame me too hard for
not knowing too much about this stuff.......I just want to slowly make changes
to the motor I have that's already rebuilt and runs pretty strong.  I will be
changing the exhaust to duals and also the carb from the fact. to a Holley
600.........


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL


    888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:51:06 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Carb

I have a lil problem now...  it turns out that the fuel fitting has
stripped worse than I thought.  right now it is being held by teflon
tape, and seal, but this is only a temp fix...  I need to know what
q-jets will fit the 67 Toronado 425 intake...

Do I have to use Toro only carbs, or can I get one from a 455 or another
425 to work?  I tried using a self tapping fitting, but the only ones I
could find here were too small.  so any ideas on what Q-Jet or other
carb will work???  for cheap (less then 150.00 rebuilt)
- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327	http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
		bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com


Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer		|	EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.		|	United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia				|	Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- -----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:38:00 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info

Jason..............
      Do you have any input on this place? Did you have any dealings
while living in No. Va??? Also, do they offer a catalog?? Heck, I'll
just give 'em a call tomorrow...!!!


Never mind...!!

Mike.............
************************************************************
> This is a pretty good supplier for parts - I was able to get a number
> for brightwork pieces and other parts for my convertible.
>
> Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply LTD.
> 8595L Euclid Avenue
> Manassas, VA  22111
> (703) 335 1935 - voice
> (703) 335 0904 - fax
>



 "The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:56:51 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator

Ok, another list member has asked me about the hi-beam indicator on the
W-30s and W-31s.  I'm pretty sure that it was red on the W-30 and blue
on the NON-W-30s, but I'm not sure on the W-31.  Anyone care to clear up
this little tidbit of info?

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:03:42 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: will it work?

without getting to detailed on balancing componets let me tell you that I do
not know what the factory did to engines.  I was an engineer for Westinghouse
and as such I balanced large steam and gas turbines for them.  I learned that
everything has a natural frequency which excites it to vibrate.  that
frequency is termed the natural harmonic for that piece of equipment.  because
of operating rpm requirements sometimes it is necessary to change the mass of
the machinery to move it's harmonic or natural resonant frequency.  Hence the
term harmonic balancer on an engine.  I would quess that GM accepted a mass or
weight for each type of engine and made similar balance weights for them.  I
do not know but I wouldn't waste a lot of time discussing the point.  If you
have anything and you are of limited means as I have been and sometimes am I
would try anything once.  If you experience roughnes at different rpms then
suspect the balancer on the engine.  You better believe they are not put on
cars and called balancers for nothing.  besides static or mass natural
frenquency there is dynamic balance to consider also.  this dynamic balance
has serveral critical rpms which are called first critical at about 1200 rpm
and multipls of this first critical in this case 2400 and 3600rpms would
behave differently but negatively.  This is the true function of your balancer
and hence it's true name is the dynamic harmonic balancer.  I will bet money,
and I never noticed one except to remove it on any engine that I have
overhauled and replaced it as found.  If you put a balancer on an engine that
was not made for that engine some engineer at GM could tell you 10 reasons not
to.

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:12:30 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator

At 06:56 PM 8/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ok, another list member has asked me about the hi-beam indicator on the
>W-30s and W-31s.  I'm pretty sure that it was red on the W-30 and blue
>on the NON-W-30s, but I'm not sure on the W-31.  Anyone care to clear up
>this little tidbit of info?
>
I think it depends on the year more than anything. 67 and down red, 68 and
up blue.
my 66 wagon's indicator is red and i've seen other early cars (Olds and non
Olds)with
red.

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:16:48 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Norm Oil Pressure??

Obviously, you need pressure, but I have seen people shim their pumps to
110 to 125 lbs, and all they did was blow a weak link in the system and
still eat the bearings. Enough pressure to supply the push the oil needs to
go through the system with sufficient volume to supply the bearings. They
are under extreme pressure and 90 to 120 lbs of pressure is not going to
keep the oil film on the the bearing surfaces under the type of loading
that occurs during heavy loads which far exceeds any pressure that we can
put through an oil pump. The John Force/ Austin Coil system is close to 100
lbs psi during their runs. Pressure and volume are related but, being
simplistic, pressure only, does not do the job, I could write pages on this
subject but suffice to say, they go hand in hand. Pressure is not the only
answer. Increase both and you are home free. Right!, wish that were true.
Scatter a Keith Black and you know what it is to meet your maker, unless
you have Force's sponsors to keep you in engines. Pressure only is screwing
the pooch, you must have both, and to keep this short, clearances and other
needs, influence the picture. Thanks for the reply, I only speak from
experience. I had to eat while doing this. It was fun though. I really miss
it. Only went 260, wish I could have hit 300. I could tell the grandkids,
don't have any yet.

 Lou Biggs." CANNED HEAT", NITRO FUNNY AND PRO STOCK , 1965 THRU 1976.
don't know doodley now!. They have out grown me.

                                               You Sent:
- ----------
> From: DYeager535@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Norm Oil pressure
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 6:12 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-08-29 17:26:32 EDT, you write:
>
> << You do not need high pressure, you need volume,
>  Lou Biggs
>   >>
>  Thanks for the coment Lou, do you have an explanation? In the FAQ it
says
> that high volume will tend to send oil into the bypass...wouldn't
shimming the
> spring in the pump (pressure spring)  cause the pump to bypass at higher
PSI,
> thereby allowing you to ACTUALLY use the higher volume pump? And how, if
at
> all, would a high volume or high pressure pump hurt the motor? I know
Pontiac
> in their SD455 used high pressure EXCLUSIVELY. I can't think of, or at
least
> know of, any GM products (V8) that used high volume stock. Can anyone add
> anything to this?  Dorian

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:29:41 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 8-tracks: Need a Favor

Greg,
try Bob Heil, Fairview Heights, Il. don't know know his number. Probably
Heil Sound at this address. used to be a sound man for the "WHO". Real
genius at anything electronic. Use to be my friend. Mention me, he will
either give you a discount or hang up. Worth a try.
Lou Biggs

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:42:58 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 8-tracks: Need a Favor

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Radio Shack used to be my source for the foil sensing tape

Well, since I work at Radio Shack, I may have connections...  I'll see what I
can find down here.  Since RS tends to #@%$ us on discontinued parts, it may be
tough, but I'll see what I can find anyway.  Don't suppose a chunk of tin foil
would work, eh?

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:55:10 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator

Mike Rothe. wrote:
>
> Ok, another list member has asked me about the hi-beam indicator on the
> W-30s and W-31s.  I'm pretty sure that it was red on the W-30 and blue
> on the NON-W-30s, but I'm not sure on the W-31.  Anyone care to clear up
> this little tidbit of info?
>
> Mike Rothe

The one in my plain-jane 70 S is red.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl)
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl)
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl)
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:57:53 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carb

I had the same problem with my quad and NAPA fixed me up.  the threads on the
old one were around 7/8 the self tapping replacement was 1" boring out the
hole was the difficult part.

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:58:28 EDT
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Composite? headlights

I'm referring to the newer head lights where the bulb is replaceable without
replacing cover lens, reflector, etc.
I'm experiencing fogging on lens, no noticeable holes, chips or the like. Any
ideas on how to remedy this problem?
If I have to replace the whole assembly, I'm thinking about looking for
European assemblies. I understand they have better light distribution.

Gary

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:11:14 -0700
From: "gregory.tepke" <gregory.tepke@mci2000.com>
Subject: give me info on this year model

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console that states the car is number 118 of 400 made. So far have not =
found anyone that can give me information on restoration tips.  The car =
is 95% original condition with freshly rebuilt engine(factory roller =
cam). Car has factory sunroof, and is fully loaded, elec. seats, =
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:47:29 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info

I haven't had any experience with this place.  Has anyone else on the list?
I do live right near there, so I might see if they have a showroom or
something, when I go back home, that is.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: krzy4evr@usit.net <krzy4evr@usit.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 6:40 PM
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info


Jason..............
      Do you have any input on this place? Did you have any dealings
while living in No. Va??? Also, do they offer a catalog?? Heck, I'll
just give 'em a call tomorrow...!!!


Never mind...!!

Mike.............
************************************************************
> This is a pretty good supplier for parts - I was able to get a number
> for brightwork pieces and other parts for my convertible.
>
> Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply LTD.
> 8595L Euclid Avenue
> Manassas, VA  22111
> (703) 335 1935 - voice
> (703) 335 0904 - fax
>



"The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:18:54 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts Supply info

In a message dated 98-08-30 20:48:22 EDT, you write:

<< I haven't had any experience with this place.  Has anyone else on the list?
>>

Lessee.

I've gotten from them....
Upper/lower rad hoses (though clamps they sent did not fit rad end of lower
hose), a NICE early-type filter for TH-400 (box had instructions on
replacement!), a rubber boot to cover the end of my windscreen visor rod, an
"Optikleen label", ummmm....

What else...

Anyway got a bunch o stuff and in two installments as some was on backorder.
One was heater hose although they appear to be new Gates formed hoses! Overall
I am pretty happy with them.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:21:45 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Dualjet Carb.

Message text written by Dave Wyatt
>GM basically
chopped off the secondaries and made a 2 barrel out of a four.  I hear it
was
used in a non computer style on pick ups with 305s also.<

I belive this was called the Dualjet - just had the Q-jets primaries.  Also
used on Chevy 229 V-6 in 1980-81.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:00:33 -0400
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@frontiernet.net>
Subject: 1985 Oldsmobile 442

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motor with the 5a heads. I completly rebuilt the motor as follows. Motor =
was bored .030 and fitted with TRW 9.5 -1 forged pistons. I added a Comp =
cams 260h camshaft and lifter kit , Edelbrock True rolling timing chain =
and gears, sealed power high volume oil pump, sealed power moly rings, =
and a edlebrock high performance fuel pump. The car retained the stock =
intake and carb and runs great. My question is that I am thinking of =
installing an MSD box model 6A. And I would like to know if there is =
anybody out there who can tell me just what I can expect with the =
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:30:47 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile

What year is the car and what type of overdrive is it?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 4:34 PM
>
> I guess I can drive any where I want.I have 180 therm, 4 core rad. clutch
fan
> I drive it on the road here in Florida and I dont have a overheating
problem ,
> 411 gears with overdrive
>  the chevy and ford guys just shake there heads  and the same cam  Butch
>
> Peter Landowski wrote:
>
> > What kind of cam do you have in the motor? Is this a race car or a
> > street(meaning can you and do you drive it for over 15 plus miles on
the
> > road while stuck in traffic?)....
> > Pettrix@prodigy.net
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: heads   1/8 mile
> > > Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 12:36 PM
> > >
> > > They are 1 7/8 ,  do you know something thet I should?
> > >
> > > KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 98-08-30 12:02:16 EDT, you write:
> > > >
> > > > <<  old times for 1/8  7.885 at 87.35   7.891 at 87.06  7.951 at
86.64
> > new
> > > >  times 1/8
> > > >  7.596 at 90.26    7.566 at 90.98    7.551 at 91.01
Butch
> > 68
> > > >  442  post  >>
> > > >
> > > > You prolly posted this before, but what is the diameter of the
> > primaries in
> > > > your headers.
> > > > (if you run headers)
> > > > I am just trying to get an idea of where the peak of your torque
curve
> > is.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > SOM
> > > > &KA
> > >
> > >
>
>

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:34:25 EDT
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dualjet Carb.

Yes, I had one of these on a Ch@#y van w/ @%#$ 305
After several sessions with dealer I removed it, smashed with hammer, then
used fire wrench on it.
Wanted to be sure no one would ever use any part of it......and to vent!
Gary

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:35:59 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Olds NHRA Drag motor question....

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> Bench racing at the bar the other day, Defending Olds as usual, and my ch*vy
> friend said that the Olds Pro Stock Drag motor was the Olds external block
> w/ch*vy internals.............say it aint so !!!  Any thoughts so I can shut
> him up???
>
> Bernie


Bernie,
  As Ken Snyder pointed out, the DRCE engine is a basic big block Ch*vy design.
And no components internally or externally will interchange from a real big
block Olds. While GM called this engine the Drag Race Competition Engine, I 
have
always called these "'Dat's Really Chevrolet Engine"
  Before you bet anymore beers, be forewarned, there is also the Rocket Block.
Which is a revised small block Ch*vy engine.  And you guessed it, nothing will
interchange with the Olds small block.

Best way to shut him up?  Just inform him that it took the Olds engineers to
make the Ch*vy engines go fast!

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:58:31 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show

Count me in, too.  I think I have my wife talked in to cruising the 75 miles
to have some chow and check out the cars.  Next Saturday, if the weather is
nice (gotta have the top down!).  About what time is best to arrive?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show


>Hey all, I am glad you had a good time.  I wish I could ahve been
>there.  But I had to work, ys know?  gotta make money tyo sink into the
>Toro...  but I am off the next three Saturdays, so if you want to do it
>again, let me know.  I would like to meet you guys, and throw another
>Olds to the mix...
>--
>><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
>
>Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST ICQ#12362327 http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
> bladernr@roava.net EMTBoy9@aol.com
>
>
>Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer | EMT-ST/Driver
>Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc. | United Ambulance Service
>Salem, Virginia | Roanoke, Virginia
>
>"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
>you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
>
>-----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------
>

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:55:58 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator

In a message dated 8/30/98 6:16:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
bob149@efortress.com writes:

<< >
 I think it depends on the year more than anything. 67 and down red, 68 and
 up blue.
 my 66 wagon's indicator is red and i've seen other early cars (Olds and non
 Olds)with
 red. >>


The one on the 56 is red too....



Ryan

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:00:01 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show

Robert......
   If you're planning on coming to Salem for the show, plan on
getting in Salem around 5 or 5;30 PM and that should give you time to
chow down and browse. Fast Freddie's is an excellent place to eat and
it's right on the site of the show. Are you planning on showing or
just browsing??? If you are planning on showing, you might push those
times ahead by 30 mins or so. Hope to see ya there...!! I stress
weather permitting. Let me know if you need directions to the show.
E-mail me privately if I can be of any help.

Mike...... krzy4evr@usit.net


> Count me in, too.  I think I have my wife talked in to cruising the 75 miles
> to have some chow and check out the cars.  Next Saturday, if the weather is
> nice (gotta have the top down!).  About what time is best to arrive?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Salem Car Show
 "The best way to predict the future is to create it...."

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:16:27 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 Oldsmobile 442

> The car retained the stock intake and carb and runs great. My question
> is that I am thinking of installing an MSD box model 6A. And I would
> like to know if there is anybody out there who can tell me just what I
> can expect with the addition of the MSD box. Thanks for your help

The MSD box will do exactly what it says.  Distribute multiple sparks
during the ignition cycle.  Which, is a good thing for ease of starting,
and sometimes a little better fuel efficiency.  However, be forwarned,
that the MSD boxes do NOT like heat.  If you can locate it as far away
from the engine heat as possible, you'll enjoy a longer life from it.
Mine died, I believe, this way.  Car will not get ANY spark when that
happens.  If it does, just jumper it out and you're back on the stock
ignition circuit.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:28:24 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: give me info on this year model

gregory.tepke wrote:
>
> I have a 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic GT, with a 307 olds engine,
> seats, windows, locks, A/C, PS, PB, cruise, tilt wheel.  Have not been
> able to find a blue book listing of what car is worth.  Any
> information would be helpful and greatly appreciated.  Thank you very
> much!


Who supplied the parts for this car?  Was it Lauren Engineering?  Or
Cars and Concepts?  Don't remember.  Anyway, it seemed like a cross
between a Hurst/442 and a Supreme.  Nice car.  I know the guy who owned
No. 22.  Funky striping and such, but there wasn't anything spectacular
about it.  As far as what it's worth, are you going to keep it, or sell
it?  If you keep it, who cares?  If you are going to sell it, I'd say
it's worth maybe a TAD over a regular 88 RWD Supreme.

They didn't do ANYTHING performance-wise to the car.  Just some paint
and decals and a little plaque on the console.  I don't even remember if
it had the dual snorkel air cleaner with the chrome lid or not either.
It's almost like they tried to copy the 84 Hurst look.  I've only seen
two in my entire life, and each came with the H/O type hood scoop and
spoiler.  But I don't remember if it had the lower front air dam or
not.  And both were silver/black paint scheme with fat red stripes.
Cutlass GT was on the doors, with a red sideways rocket next to it.

Welcome to the one-off club, where cars were few and parts are almost
non-existant.  Something this rare is hard to find parts for.  I hope
you don't need to repaint it.  I don't even know where to get the decals
for it anymore.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:42:22 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Composite? headlights

GaryDW30@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm referring to the newer head lights where the bulb is replaceable without
> replacing cover lens, reflector, etc.
> I'm experiencing fogging on lens, no noticeable holes, chips or the like. Any
> ideas on how to remedy this problem?
> If I have to replace the whole assembly, I'm thinking about looking for
> European assemblies. I understand they have better light distribution.

For what car?  I can work from there....

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:47:00 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dualjet Carb.

Got two of those little buggers around here, one was on the 305 in the 79
Starfire SX parts car and have one on the231 in the 80 Starfire GT.  Don't
like either one, never have got the one on the 80 to work right, and have
thought about using the other one on there, but haven't had the time to do it
yet.

I'd almost call them "Dual-junk"!
(INCOMING FLAMES!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!)

Smile, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:48:50 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: give me info on this year model

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> They didn't do ANYTHING performance-wise to the car.  Just some paint
> and decals and a little plaque on the console.  I don't even remember if
> it had the dual snorkel air cleaner with the chrome lid or not either.
> It's almost like they tried to copy the 84 Hurst look.  I've only seen
> two in my entire life, and each came with the H/O type hood scoop and
> spoiler.  But I don't remember if it had the lower front air dam or
> not.  And both were silver/black paint scheme with fat red stripes.
> Cutlass GT was on the doors, with a red sideways rocket next to it.

I have seen two in Charleston SC now Mike...  <G>

A black one with out a hood scope, had the spoiler, lace wheels, black
like the one you describe...

Also have seen a silver-ish blue-ish one.  Blue striping, no hood scope.

The black one had a front air damn like the Hurst, and the silver one
had a plaque...  I didn't get close enough to the black one to see...

I honestly thought they were faked cars...  But that's before I knew
anything about Olds...  <G>

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
	          1987 F-442  (W77)
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:53:09 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Good Will Hunting

Just finished watching it, so...  Here's my take.

Oldsmagnet wrote:
>
> > At first I thought it was a Delta but then I thought it was a 98.
>
> Yeah, I couldn't decide for sure, either.  Never stood still long enough, I
> guess, but I finally surmised it was a Delta.  Just didn't look fancy enough
for > a 98... :)

Agreed..  Delta 88.   (Pausing at different car shots)

> > It had round headlights so its no older than 1975.

No, Square...  I thought the same, there's a shot BIG shot in the middle
of the
movie where I saw square lights, tried to take it all in to report back
to you
guys.

> Id'a swore they were square...  Four of 'em, signals on the outside, double
> split grilles (two sections per side)  I'm wanting to call it a 76 Delta, but
> not 100% certain.

Did the 77 Delta look almost like the 78 and 79?

> > It also had a "stick up" rocket hood ornament. My Delta has just a
> > "stick on"rocket emblem in the middle of the grill.
>
> Didn't notice the hood ornament.  Not sure how they did those then, I've seen
> some with both styles on 'em...

Stand up style ornament..  Pre-80's ornament (IE, no rectangle with a
rocket inside)

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:02:02 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aluminum heads <Gainesville>

In a message dated 98-08-30 09:25:50 EDT, you write:

<< Well here it is , Temp 99 humidity 95%  1st run 12.192, 2nd 11.961, 3rd
 11.902,
 4th 11.880. no 5th run track shut me down till proper safty equipment.
 60ft went to hell,
 I know it has a lot more.  it was worth the time,  the aggravation, {
 the money?} well at least I think so. { the wife dont}    Butch 68 442
 post>>

Run IHRA.  There class goes 11.49 before cage since NHRA is 11.99.  So find a
IHRA and let it rip

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30
12.14@110 with Ga heads




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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:07:39 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Red vs. Blue hi-beam indicator

In a message dated 98-08-30 19:17:15 EDT, you write:

<< >Ok, another list member has asked me about the hi-beam indicator on the
 >W-30s and W-31s.  I'm pretty sure that it was red on the W-30 and blue
 >on the NON-W-30s, but I'm not sure on the W-31.  Anyone care to clear up
 >this little tidbit of info?
 >
 I think it depends on the year more than anything. 67 and down red, 68 and
 up blue.
 my 66 wagon's indicator is red and i've seen other early cars (Olds and non
 Olds)with
 red. >>
Nope, almost there.  They used the red highbeam light on all models up to the
1970 model.  In 1971 they changed over to blue

W MACHINES

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:11:56 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAYBE W-32?

In a message dated 98-08-28 18:24:18 EDT, you write:

<< > > Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a
cutout
 > > bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
 >
 > Maybe W-32?

 W-32 was 69 only.  In 1972, you either got the non-cutout bumper with
 the 442, or you got the 455 engine, either version, W-30 or not, which
 included the rear cutout bumper.  If you ever see a STOCK 72 442 with
 the cutouts, rest assured it came from the factory with some sort of
 455.

 Mike Rothe >>
W-32 was the option code for the 1970 and 1971 SX built on the Cutlass Supreme
body. It came standard with a 455 two or option 4 barrel carb, FE3 suspension
and cutout rear bumpers with SX tags on the fenders.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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