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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 7 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1412



Re: Yet more timing chain help
RE: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?
(no subject)
Re: Yet more timing chain help
RE: 69 OAI
Re: Yet more timing chain help
Slow convertible top
Proper way to crank dormant 455
115 Octane Gas
Re: Proper way to crank dormant 455
Dual Hood Stripe Question
Y72 Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
Re: G-body dash removal?
Re: Proper way to crank dormant 455
Re: hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???
Re: Slow convertible top
[none]
Re: 115 Octane Gas
Re: Leaky Trans Cooler Line
Re: Bad Luck, A little humor
Re: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?
Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?
FS-1972 Cutlass conv
Re: Yet more timing chain help
67 Tranny Swap was: I no longer fear expansion joints!
Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: 65-67 400-425
Miscellaneous Olds-related (Or how to alienate Oldsmobilers)
Re: odd ball
Carb recommendations with OAI
Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?
Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
307 to 403 Swap.
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: odd ball
Re: Leaky Trans Cooler Line
Re: TH 400
New sounds in the Delta
Re: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: 67 Tranny Swap was: I no longer fear expansion joints!
speaking of tranny lines,,,,,,,
Re: 115 Octane Gas
Re: TH 400
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?
307 to 403
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
Re: Bad Luck, Actually it's true
Re: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Wheels dealers
Re: hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???
Re: speaking of tranny lines,,,,,,,
Toro Wonderbar Radio

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:45:52 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

>The true sign of a bad timing chain is a timing mark that typically can be
set
>for optimal operation many more degrees before TDC than should be possible.
>Period.


yep I can set it at about 20° BTDC  and still no pinging and good power even
in Texas heat.

>Your timing mark should remain steady, barring changes in RPM and vaccuum.


it does not remain steady

>Also, there should be (as I would expect you to know from prior swaps) ZERO
>play in your timing chain. Especially when a new one is installed. As a
matter
>of fact it should be slightly difficult to get the cam gear (with chain on)
>over the end of the camshaft, as you are stretching taut a new chain.


was once like that

>It is possible that your timing mark may have moved IF the outer ring on
your
>balancer has rotated slightly across the hub and O-ring. I have not heard
of
>that happening.


nope i scribed it 25,000 miles ago, no movement

>You will kindly forgive this as being my opinion, but I believe the problem
is
>not in chain or balancer, but elsewhere. I naturally suspect the
distributor,
>but then I dislike HEI.
>
>I am curious what you mean by "eats cap and rotor [sets]". Do these break
or
>become useless through wear?


wears out prematurely (rotor tip mainly)


>Further, what is your dwell set at?
>I might have an idea about the problem which again points to a defective
>distributor shaft.


how do I check dwell on HEI?
>>>Brett

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:50:08 -0400
From: "Brumm, Bruce" <bdbrumm@ldmtech.com>
Subject: RE: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?

		All,

		OK, I just could NOT pass this one up... : )

		<snippedy do-dah>

		> Chemicals like MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) an toluene
should break up most
		>  paints and are slightly flammable.

		I know of a couple of TREMENDOUS explosions due to MEK.
More than just slightly flammable, I'd say!!
		I'd try paint thinner on a q-tip or on some type of
applicator of small size with a bit of cloth or rag to "sop up" the
excess and protect around the affected area.

		Sorry for not being much help, otherwise.

		Happy Oldsmobiling,

		Bruce D. Brumm
		Bdbrumm@ldmtech.com

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	KarlAune@aol.com [mailto:KarlAune@aol.com]
		Sent:	Friday, August 07, 1998 11:30 AM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure? ng.

		>  He painted his Q-Jet gold.

		>  While it was on the car!

		

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:04:53 -0400
From: Margie Francioli <mfranci@bcpl.net>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:03:54 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

Hey, I was just struck by a thought (fortunately, I wasn't hurt...)

Is the right (passenger side) lifter gallery plug with the oil hole for
timing chain lubrication correctly in place, and is the hole open (ie, not
plugged)?  Is it possible that during a rebuild this plug was lost and a
blank (undrilled) plug installed in its place?

Just a thought.  This is definitely a puzzler.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:10:07 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: 69 OAI

He He He, why does this sound familiar.

Give tammyh@cybercityusa.net an email.  Her husband and buddy have
scoops (but there are bare, meaning no lip moldings or brackets).  She
has been sporadic with sending me replies to my email.  They live in
Springfield, IL and I saw the scoops at Nats.  They are supposedly 'the
only correct copy of scoops available'  or something to that effect
which is what she put in her post on 442.com dated in May.  Personally,
they where a little flimsy for my taste, as I'm looking for something
that is original or close to it, but strong enough to survive being on a
daily driver ... basically the best of both worlds.

Also Mike Siedlik is still attempting scoops.  I talked with him at Nats
and he may try ~again~ in a couple months after his radiator shop he
bought 'settles down'.  Or if he sells his pace car before then he will
do them sooner.  Personally, I'm waiting for Mike as his are being made
out of abs plastic, so they are stronger and they will come be complete,
meaning correct lip moldings and 68 brackets, since they are stronger
than 69s.  Price will be in the $350/$375 pr. range.  Mike also sells
the brackets seperately in you find scoops elsewhere.

There's always Year One.  Not sure who supplies them with scoops though.
 I've also found out I think Fusick makes them, but I have no details or
price on them.

Hey John, you wouldn't happen to need a pair of lower clamps would you?
These connect the scoop to the hose.  I have an extra set I'd like to
sell.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com

1969 W-31 - scoops are the only major piece I'm missing ... well that
and 3rd gear in the tranny
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:15:11 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

Would you be mad if I told you the engine has never been rebuilt? Only taken
apart and thoroughly cleaned by a previous owner.  It has about 100K on it.
the plug you are talking about should be in place if i remember correctly...
When i put my new set of #4's on it I will check for this plug.  The
distributor is a junk yard distributer but has been cleaned well.  I will
check it's tolerances tonight.
Thanks for all the help.
oh yeah
how do I check Dwell on this HEI.  I have done this only on points type.  I
am also running MSD 6AL (as of last week, did not affect any of these
problems and they do not change when i take it off, tried that).
Brett Wilson

- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help


>Hey, I was just struck by a thought (fortunately, I wasn't hurt...)
>
>Is the right (passenger side) lifter gallery plug with the oil hole for
>timing chain lubrication correctly in place, and is the hole open (ie, not
>plugged)?  Is it possible that during a rebuild this plug was lost and a
>blank (undrilled) plug installed in its place?
>
>Just a thought.  This is definitely a puzzler.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:27:38 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Slow convertible top

List members,
 The convertible top on my 1969 442 is slow to close.  At times, I have
to help the top to close.  What should I check? How can I determine if
the power top motor needs to be rebuilt? The top has been slow for a
long time and is not getting worse.  I have not seen any fluid leaks.
The slow top is starting to bother me.
  Any suggestions?

Flynt Myrick
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:34:23 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Proper way to crank dormant 455

List members,
  My friend needs to crank his 1970 Toronado that has not been cranked
for about 8 years (lost storage space).  What is the correct way to
start an engine that has not been cranked for such a long period?
Should anything be done to the transmission after it has not been used
in 8 years?
  Any help would be appreciated.

Flynt Myrick
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:23:04 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: 115 Octane Gas

I pulled into a local Sinclair distributor station here in Boise to fill up
the Vista Cruiser with some 90+ octane fuel, and boy was I surprised when I
pulled up to the pump that it read 115 Octane !!!

Whoa, I thought, this is incredible!!  But it turned out to be 85% ethanol
stuff, designed to burn in about three new 99 models (a F*rd Taurus, for
one).  This station happens to be the only one in Idaho that carries this
stuff, and it runs $1.91 per gallon.  Didn't know there was this new
engine/fuel evolution going on.

Anyway, I know better than to run that stuff in my 350 or 455, but for a
quick second there I thought I stumbled onto something really good.  Oh
well, every mirage can't turn out to be Sunoco 260 :(

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:49:28 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Proper way to crank dormant 455

In a message dated 8/7/98 12:35:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
f_myrick@hotmail.com writes:

<< My friend needs to crank his 1970 Toronado that has not been cranked
 for about 8 years (lost storage space).  What is the correct way to
 start an engine that has not been cranked for such a long period?
 Should anything be done to the transmission after it has not been used
 in 8 years? >>

my dad had a built 455 on the engine stand for about 8-9 years before he could
get it in the car.  pretty much all he did before cranking, is took out all
the plugs and shot a little marvel's mystery oil into each of the cylinders,
then used a speedhandle with a certain socket (cant remember what it takes) to
turn the oil pump and prelube the engine.  thats pretty much all he did, and
it ran just fine.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:50:48 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Dual Hood Stripe Question

List members,
  I can't find the build sheet to my 1969 442 convertible.  Is there any
way to determine if my car had the dual hood stripe option?  The
previous owner had the car repainted several years ago. Was the option
code for the stripes W42?
  Any help is appreciated.

Flynt Myrick
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:55:29 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Y72 Heavy Duty Engine Cooling

List members,
  If a 1969 442 was ordered with air conditioning(C60), did it
automatically come with the Y72 heavy duty engine cooling equipment
option?  If not, how can I tell if my car has the Y72 option?
 Thanks in advance,

Flynt Myrick
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:58:16 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body dash removal?

> Thanks Charlie!  I'd say you've done it a few times! :)  You must've
> either taken notes or own a shop manual.  Really appreciate the info,
> now I'm not nearly as much in the dark.

Actually, neither.  Those are more like painful memories burned in my mind!  :)
Guess you ~could~ call that "note" taking, I suppose.  The first one was
completely blind (didn't know what all needed to be dome) They got better after
that.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:08:14 EDT
From: <WOODY3781@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Proper way to crank dormant 455

i've done basically the same thing successfully. I think it was a 1 inch
socket i used
to turn the crankshaft. loosen all belts, they are going to have to be changed
anyway after 8-9 years, it makes it a lot easier. within ten minutes the white
smoke from the oil injected into the cylinders will cease. if not we have
problems.hope this helps.
 i also used 10-40 oil instead of marvel mystery oil. i've been told to use
it. i've been told not to use it. can anybody out there settle this "mystery"?

woody
70 cutlass
73 delta conv

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:08:49 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???

> is there a way to richen the idle abit with out the computer throwing
> ----other idle/perf problems...

Sounds like more than just carb.  At idle, the A/C will put a tremendous power
and heat load on an engine.  If all isn't up to snuff, overheating is common.
I'd suspect the rough idle is due to the heavier load on the engine, combined
with heat.  A lot of things come to mind, the computer being the last.  Does 
the
"check engine" light ever come on (while it's still running?)

A missing cat won't affect the O2 sensor, since it's past the sensor in the
exhaust stream.  It ~can~ however be fouled enough to cause other faulty
readings.  Have you ever run leaded gas in the car?  Or used cheap RTV silicone
on any gaskets in it?

What kind of shape is the air filter in?  That'll cause problems, if it's
dirty.  How 'bout plugs/wires/cap/rotor???  When were they changed last?  Fuel
filter/pump/supply could likely be ruled out, for an idle problem.  Fuel
~condition~ might be a factor (water in fuel, etc.)

You'd mentioned wanting to richen the mixture?  Sounds to me like it might
already be too rich.  The heavy exhaust smell leads me to believe that.  A
plugged air cleaner will cause a rich condition, as well.  So would a faulty O2
sensor.

First thoughts on where you should check, at least.  Good luck!  :)



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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:50:55 -0600
From: Edward Pittman <edward@gdar.org>
Subject: Re: Slow convertible top

A couple of things caused your problem on my 68
Cutlass S. I had air in the hydraulic lines, so I
needed more fluid and to have it bled. Went to a
hydraulic repair shop and they did it for $25.
About a year later the motor gave out and I had to
replace it. Hopefully yours is a fluid problem.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:51:32 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: [none]

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:54:15 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

Fred Orcutt wrote:

> pulled up to the pump that it read 115 Octane !!!
>
> stuff, and it runs $1.91 per gallon.  Didn't know there was this new

Pricey

> Anyway, I know better than to run that stuff in my 350 or 455, but for a
> quick second there I thought I stumbled onto something really good.  Oh

Why can't you run this stuff?

- --
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68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:57:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Leaky Trans Cooler Line

Thanks to all for the advice re the trans cooler line problem. I tackled
it again this morning (I'm on vacation, though this wasn't how I wanted
to spend it) and tried removing it and reattaching it several times to no
good effect. It still leaked. I then went to the parts store and got a
bunch of things: a couple of adapters that would let you install
rubber hose, a collection of O-rings, some hose and clamps, some ATF...
about $25 worth of stuff in all. Thank god the Cutlass was here.

I hated the idea of cutting into the hard line, but I was basically
stranded and if that's what it would take to get the car to the shop for a
proper repair, so be it. I was all set to do that when I remembered the
O-rings. Lo and behold, one of them between the flare in the line and the
tube nut stopped the leak. Why, I dunno. I assume this is safe to drive
given the low pressure in the trans? Think I should replace the hard line
in question or am I gonna be OK?

Thanks again.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:58:38 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Luck, A little humor

having been in the military let me say this in every war or conflict
innocent folks get hurt the caveat is dont touch unless you are prepared for
what happens next ever hear of land mines?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Bad Luck, A little humor


>> Bright idea, put a 45,000 volt neon transformer under the bumper.
>> [...] it rained, voltage jumped from the rims to the steel belts,
>> four flat tires. Sell that to the insurance company. Had to share
>> that.
>
>Um, not that I totally believe this story, but it seems to me that
>the first toddler who wanders over to inspect the shiny car is going
>to get cremated. Does he have a good lawyer, by any chance?
>
>-- Andy
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:24:09 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?

Karl, great insight to my problem. Thanks alot as I will for sure check that
out.  I painted the carb on the car, but had the top of the carb covered so no
paint could get down there.  After I got done painting there was no overspray 
on
the butterflies so it looks as if the cover worked. I dunno :-? I just started
it a bit ago and again when it was cold it ran like a charm...idle was super.
When it gets hot it idles like a 14:1 CR Mondello drag motor..but still drives
excellent and doesn't hesitate once on WOT runs.  I do notice the power is down
though..won't spin the tires as easily when up to operating temp as it does 
when
the motor is still warming up.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7565
- -----Original Message-----
>
><< when it gets up to operating temp it lopes as if it has a cam and will
>occasionally stall if it is in gear  >>
>
>In "RocketTalk" I made an educated guess, and this bit clinches it.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:25:39 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?

I will be at the Dick Miller Nats ot Norwalk.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7565

>Topic says it all.  Who is going to the Dick Miller or Mondello Nationals
>on August 16th..

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:52:35 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: FS-1972 Cutlass conv

Found in todays Roanoke Times...

   Fore sale...1972 Olds Cutlass Convertable
                    350 V8 Rocket All original Exc. cond
                     $8200.00    540 977-3472

For someone looking for a car..!!

Mike.........

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:26:49 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

In a message dated 98-08-07 11:50:33 EDT, you write:

<< wears out prematurely (rotor tip mainly)

 >Further, what is your dwell set at?
 >I might have an idea about the problem which again points to a defective
distributor shaft.

 how do I check dwell on HEI? >>

Dunno, hate HEI.
As for advance; Yah. I was running 15' BTDC before my swap.

How did you index the dist when you installed the HEI dist shaft?
Karl thinks that mayhaps you are one gear tooth or so off.
This might explain much.

For example...
You wear ou HEI caps and rotors because...
maybe they are not properly aligned when they fire?
(Karl only know points)

Have you ever had the 330 in a shop?
like to recurve the HEI dist?

What car is the HEI from?

Karl seems to recall that HEI should be recurved for slight differences in
applications.

OK you agree with me about chain. (Or I agree with you.)
25K still too short. I could go that far in a year and still be good to go.
Karl not want to insult.
You got gear timing marks right?
Of course you did....too many swaps not to notice.

Here is the extent of my thinking;
Burning timing chain WAY fast.
Also burning Cap and Rotor set WAY fast.
Both essential to proper timing.

So something is happening that affects or changes both.

Joe Padavano?

What would happen if HEI was run with timing for 39' CBA on a 49' motor?

I can answer that in part;
Early and late ignition.

God save me from myself!

<< yep I can set it at about 20° BTDC  and still no pinging and good power
even
in Texas heat. >>

Heh. You may find that Olds engines are reputed for doing the impossible. Like
running without oil........

Brett?
You do know that you are using an engine with a 45' cam bank angle.
Right?
Are you using an aftermarket cam?
Have you ever had the dist recurved?
What vehicle did you get the HEI from?
(Karl can answer that; a car with 39' cam bank angle!)

Karl thinks he *might* know solution!

Joe!
Would an engine firing early AND late ping?

Is it possible to recurve HEI to fire properly for 45' CBA?

HEI guys?

Anyone?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:28:04 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: 67 Tranny Swap was: I no longer fear expansion joints!

Uh,
I got questions...

I was under the impression that a *manual* 3-speed was desired...

And

I thought that there was a problem with the Early Pattern Flexplate (65-67?)
making additions of TH350 difficult?

Or maybe I am showing my ignorance again?

Enlightenment?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:28:07 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

For all of the help that Joe has been, I would suggest;

<< I make a run to Leon's this weekend and try to score a 70 455 short
 block. >>

Or rather...look for a 1967 425 to *become* a 455 block.

If anyone remembers, I ventured dialogue with a listmember.....

(and if you are reading, I am sorry, it is simply not a motor from a 4 4 2,
W-30 or anything like that...)

...who among other telling things, mentioned that the 'particular 67 D88 or 98
(Karl forgets more than he ever knew) has the F6 stamping which the FAQ
reports is rumored to be VERY long lasting due to more nickel in the alloy, or
something.
(Uh more than the normal disclaimers apply)

Karl does not wish for *any* oldsmobiler to spend more money for MIGHTASWELLS
than neccessary.

On a final note;

Joe?

<< I _did_ get to finally christen my engine hoist (Chistmas 96 present) >>

Congratulations, what is its name?

Light rust may prevent use of the forged pistons?
Why exactly. You fear more than a hone may be necessary?
Creating a need for +40 pistons?
Then why did you call it *light* rust?

<< At least one.......to have its end threads peened down (_not_ the
recommended method of rod or bolt removal) ..... MIGHTASWELL get ARP rod
bolts...(KA-CHING!)  It also appears that every throw on the crank has scratch
marks that look suspiciously like rod bolt threads. >>

Karl expects to get a similar ("A" with "A"s) very long block to dig into
innards and use as a replacement while Soylent's natural organs get tweaked.
So Karl tends to attend to the rebuilding posts.

When you say peened, you do mean that someone hammered the threads?
Eagh!

<< "every throw on the crank ..... rod bolt threads." >>

Ummm.
OK Karl VERY ignant. Why would the throws have rod bolt scratches?
OK!
Alright!
Karl not know what a "throw" is.

<sigh>
Here I try to help all these Oldsmoblilers, and I have not the faintest idea
what a crank "throw" is....
<snif>

((((<grin>))))

Thanks

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:28:04 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 65-67 400-425

In a missive, Mr Wyatt educates;

<< Ok, clue me in as to why drilling the crank for a pilot bearing would be
bad.
 IMHO it would allow the crank to be used either way, stick or automatic.  Of
 course with the new bearings available you can shorten the tranny input shaft
 by a small amount and bypass drilling the crank altogether.  >>

OK, Karl am ignant.

Karl not knew crank drillin harmless for future use.

Karl just believes in conserving Oldsmobile resources.

Compared to Forged Cranks, and Varible Vane Torque Convertes, petroleum is
disposable!
Prefer not to see irreparable procedures (which an ill-prepared person might
botch!) perpetrated on such valuable items.

Yet another Oldsmobile-related hallucination.

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:28:09 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Miscellaneous Olds-related (Or how to alienate Oldsmobilers)

I wanted to reply to many threads and postings, but could not bring myself to
post a "Me Too!" note. So here is my biased view on some various things.
I am naming names, I apologize, but you whom I name ARE as guilty as I am!

I cannot emphasize this enough!
(as I am guilty of this as well)
It is Anti-Spin, *not* ~posi~!!!!!!!!

Something has caught my attention lately. Sad to say, but some pleas for info
are being ignored. A classic example is the request for pump to carb tubing
route on a 1966 car, which I answered about a month late, recently. I did not
answer this earlier because I assumed it might vary between 1965 and 1966.
Again, I regret his, but i must name names. Does nobody here know about idle
or off-idle systems on Holleys or is the response to Sam Johnson's queries
lacking because people avoid answering all-caps subjects (I have since B_Hap
!) Sam has been on the list for about a year. And at least he is asking the
HiPo questions.

Which necessarily brings me to....

Please do not use all caps.
This includes; Sam Johnson (I have some ideas, just do not know enough about
Holley), David Seier (who may not entirely deserve this, but is also guilty),
whomever wants "posi" (oddly enough, I think "posi" is #2 behind "Please
remove me.....")
All caps should be reserved for emergencies and *vital* emergencies. Like the
resignation of Penny Casteel. Or more appropriately: "My freind is having
wierd seizures, I am mute, and the only transport available is my Oldsmobile
that will not start!"
Get the idea?

And this brings me to....

Please feel free to *modify* the subject heading!
Please do not reply to a posting with an all-caps subject heading without
modifying the subject heading!
And, while I am on the subject... please alter the subject heading, especially
if the direction of the thread has changed..(e.g. (humor) or "vib damp...was
timing chain" or "H*lp! Carb is laminated! Was: '80 350 shaking!") [[HAH!]]
Use your imagination....."for we are one, under the stars!"... let us enjoy
it!
(part of the reason behind the SOM saga!)

AND!

Please become familiar with your browser/Email tools if you are not already!
There really is no excuse (Thomas Martin) for veterans to use rich text and
attached .vcd files. Scratch that! No attached files of any kind!

"What is this worth?"
Please forgive me for saying this, because I know that you are asking about
your pride and joy. Unless it is 10 or more years old, invest in a Blue Book!
$10 can tell you lots! The only occasions of this that I really understand are
those such as "Should I have gotten this condition #3 1966 toro for $100?" or
is $2000 too much for a documented 1966 W-30 in #1 condition?". All others can
guage the cost of their vehicles by what others ask for theirs.


<< Isn't the depth of knowledge on this list just amazing?  This is a
wonderful resource.  Thanks to everyone who participates and in particular to
Greg for putting up with all of us and providing this forum. >>

Heartily agree.
Greg puts up with much and perseveres.
Many thanks.


To Andy Green:
Re: turn signal
See, it was the ground!
Nyah, nyah nyah!

(Greg; does that count as flaming?)


Finally I wish to thank the other "regulars" who include Mr Zimmerman, Mr.
Martin,
(Mr. Bob Handren deserves special notice as I was in private contact with him
before I let that lapse....sorry, way too much going on to keep track of
everyone, but I *was* sincerely flattered that such an Olds-veteran would
spare time for my idle discourse, Thanks!) Mr. Yeager, Mr. C. Fair, Mr. Olds
Guy (while I am at it, you post stuff to the list that should go private, and
thanks for your help), and of course Chris Witt, Joe Padavano, Jim Chermac,
Dr. Bob Barry and Andy Green (who really should invest in *any* Oldsmobile to
avoid many more flames from me!).

Naturally I am forgetting many people whom I have not heard from
much....Elephant Engine Ernie for one, Kevin Wong, and of course, let it be
known that there once was a "Wiz", if ever an Oldsmobile Wiz there was!

Special mention for the recent guys who seem the most selfless;
KSRACING@aol.com (Ken Snyder) and Supecars@transport.com (Greg Rollin).

As for me, I try to help with what I think I know.
But end up learning more!

Well that is most of the bile that I can remember!
Please flame me privately at KarlAunan@aol.com !!!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:34:05 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: odd ball

OldsGuyGA@aol.com wrote:
>
>  peter  got a call today someone trying to sell a 73 omega for $3800 ..
>
> wanted to know did i have someone that might be interested..
>
> not a car you really run after...  jeff...

HEY!!! I'd take on Omega anyday, ESPECIALLY a 73! That thing would be a
1/4 mile screamer with a 455/th400/4.10 gears! They're just
misunderstood as being another Gr*mlin, Ch*vette, or P*nto. There's
nothing wrong with them.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:46:03 -0500
From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Subject: Carb recommendations with OAI

I have a question.  But first, let me state that the car is
a 72 Cutlass with OAI.  It has a 455.  I am reworking some C heads,
and will install a Mondello JM-20-22 cam.  I will put in a freer
flowing exhaust.  I desire only a healthy increase in performance on
the street.  My Quadrajet is pretty well trashed, and I will need to
replace it.  Popular thought is to use a Holley carb for increased
performance.  The 850 or higher cfm Holleys are all square bore.  I
will stick with the stock intake manifold.  I am concerned that putting
a Holley on the car will increase the height of the air cleaner too
much, due to the need for an adaptor (square to spread).

	I heard I can sneak about a half of an inch clearance by
removing the thick round gasket on the plastic lid of the OAI air
cleaner assy.  According to Holley, the spacer is over 1" in height.
I am afraid there is not enough room for a Holley.  Maybe I should
get a rebuilt Q-jet, and live with the bog.

	If anybody is using a Holley with a 455 OAI, what are you
using, and how did you resolve the height problem?  If you are using
something else, what?  Is it satisfactory?
- --

Brett Chaveriat

1972 Cutlass Supreme convertible - Radiant Green

mailto:brett@mcs.com

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:54:59 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?

The Viking wrote:
>
> Topic says it all.  Who is going to the Dick Miller or Mondello Nationals
> on August 16th..
>

I'm going to DMR on the 16th. Hopefully, but doubtfully, my car will be
done.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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         777777 33333
            77      33
Cutlass    77    3333   Supreme
          77        33
         77     33333
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:04:23 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI

In a message dated 98-08-07 16:48:50 EDT, you write:

<< According to Holley, the spacer is over 1" in height. I am afraid there is
not enough room for a Holley.  >>

OK

Firstly, You may be confusing spacers with adapter plates.

I have the adapter plate that is correct for you application.

It is less than 1" tall, but not by much.
Say approx 3/4" total?

There are carb spacers which are used for heat sheilding and clearance
concerns. These are typically sized at full and 1/2 inches...

I do not know about your air cleaner.

OTOH Has anyone who "recommended" a Holley to you ever used a Rochester Q-Jet
*properly* ?

Sorry, that was not meant as a flame, it is just that there is a listmember
with Holley probs who might need some idle or off-idle help.

Perhaps you could suggest someone?

Thanks.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:16:06 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: 307 to 403 Swap.

Time has come, and motor choices have been completed...

In terms of ease, and ability to use all existing direct motor items,
the 403 has been chosen.  It will also be a "bought rebuilt" motor from
one of a couple auto parts places...  (Working on prices, and core
charges, cheapest with the most core wins).  It will also be a long
block.  And mated with a TH350 (already read FAQ for how-to's on that).
All my motor swapping skills are F*rd related...

HERE'S my questions:

Car: 87 Cutlass 2Dr with "Y" 307.

1. Will the Oil Pan from the 307 fit the 403 should the 403 pan not fit
correctly.  Or WHICH 403 Oil Pan will fit the Cutlass?

2. Will the 307 Computer Controlled Distributor work?

3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?

4. What mechanical parts will be able to be kept (IE: Water Pump)

5. Carb will be a slightly modded Holley 750 4BBL Vaccumm Secondary,
will that adequately do the job for both driving it to work, and running
it on the track?

6. Will the Holley 750, the 403 and the STOCK Air cleaner present a hood
clearence problem??

7. Do I ask too many questions?   Heh heh...

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:27:13 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

>
>
> 1. Will the Oil Pan from the 307 fit the 403 should the 403 pan not fit
> correctly.  Or WHICH 403 Oil Pan will fit the Cutlass?


The Oil pan will fit

Now clue about #2

>
> 3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
> a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?


The manifolds you have now will fit the 403


>
> 4. What mechanical parts will be able to be kept (IE: Water Pump)


All the mounts should work. KEEP YOUR PULLEYS.

>
> 6. Will the Holley 750, the 403 and the STOCK Air cleaner present a hood
> clearence problem??


Is it a stock intake? if so i cant see a problem

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:30:21 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: odd ball

I agree. A 73 Omega weighs little compared to a Cutlass and a 455 in one of
these babies would be MONSTROUS. I suggest sub-frame connectors for the
torque <grin>. Ugh! Ugh! more POWERRRRRR!

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: odd ball


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>OldsGuyGA@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>  peter  got a call today someone trying to sell a 73 omega for $3800 ..
>>
>> wanted to know did i have someone that might be interested..
>>
>> not a car you really run after...  jeff...
>
>HEY!!! I'd take on Omega anyday, ESPECIALLY a 73! That thing would be a
>1/4 mile screamer with a 455/th400/4.10 gears! They're just
>misunderstood as being another Gr*mlin, Ch*vette, or P*nto. There's
>nothing wrong with them.
>
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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>         77     33333
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:32:15 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Leaky Trans Cooler Line

just to add never put a wrench on a flare fitting until it is thoroughly
started threaded in at least three turns us teflon as a lubricant for the
threads 1 and 1/2 turns of teflon tape no more dont get it over the opening
then tighten the nut with a line wrench tight but not over tight
you dont want to strip the nut if the flare is good the nut is not cross
threaded the fitting will not leak the tape is for lubricant only not sealer
the actual seal is between the nut and the flared tubing and in the
receptical fitting itself between the flare and the fitting cone that is why
it is a double flare sorry to ramble but it happens sometimes...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com <Padavano.Joe@orbital.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Leaky Trans Cooler Line


>Greg.
>
>One of the most frustrating tasks I've found while working on a car is
>trying to get inverted flare fittings to line back up after taking them
>apart.  Invariably, the springiness in the hard line cause the flare nut to
>be at a slightly incorrect angle to mate up with the threads on the female
>fitting, resulting in endless cussing.  I've certainly cross-threaded my
>share.
>
>Which, of course, brings me to your situation (though I hate to even think
>about it).  The flare nut should be able to be threaded most of the way
>into the cooler by hand (though side loads due to the hard line will
>definitely increase the force required).  The seal is made by the flare on
>the tube, _not_ the threads on the flare nut.  To those who suggested
>teflon tape; it _should not_ be used on flare nut fittings, only on pipe
>thread fittings.  Think about it:  Even if you managed to use the teflon
>tape to seal between the flare nut and the fitting, what seals between the
>tube and the flare nut?
>
>Someone else suggested pulling the flare nut back and inspecting the flare
>for burrs or nicks, which is excellent advice.  Also be sure to carefully
>inspect the seat in the cooler's female fitting - it may have been
>defective.  And, of course, verify that the threads have not been damaged
>on either side.  Unless you've been flexing the hard line quite a bit, or
>there's a point where it had been rubbing for some length of time, I
>seriously doubt that there's a leak in the line itself.  The soft steel
>used in these lines is very ductile, so it will bend a lot before cracking.
>
>In the event of a worst-case scenario (stripped fitting in the cooler), you
>have an option.  Assuming you can't return the radiator yet again (don't
>know how they view a damaged fitting on a warranty return), consider a
>cheap aux tranny cooler instead.  While not totally sanitary, I've seen
>these units installed where the cooler hose was just hose-clamped over the
>flare in the hard line.  The flare has the advantage of helping to retain
>the hose under pressure.
>
>Finally, if you do find that it's a hole in the line, consider using a
>compression fitting to splice in the new section.  These are the brass
>fittings which use a nut to compress a brass furrule (ferrule?  ferreul?
>Heck, a brass _ring_) over the straight end of the tube.  Tranny cooler
>lines are not very high pressure, so this works fine (as I can attest).
>
>Good luck.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:25:42 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: TH 400

five year old temp fixes,  sounds like the maintenance on us air force
aircraft that out lived their service life twenty years ago and are still in
service because of lack of funds...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: TH 400


>I'm one of the NOTENOUGHCASH guys, and I was thinking that since this guy
>mentioned using another trans compoletely, he may be in the same boat. I'm
>all
>for saving money for important things, like insurance, tabs, the
>occassional
>engine rebuild, tranny rebuild, etc. : ) Aren't cars cheap fun? Dorian
>__________________
>
>I can certainly sympathize, but nearly 25 years of messing with Oldsmobiles
>has shown me time and again that doing it right the first time is always
>the cheapest way in the long run.  Unfortunately, cash flow can be a
>problem, and we've all had to cut corners (hey, look at what I'm doing with
>this 455), but my own experience is that the one corner that you've cut is
>the one that leads to a $100 tow or a rod ejected on the freeway.  The
>killer is the "temporary fix" that you're still using 5 years later (not
>that _I'd_ ever do that...just don't look under the hood of my 70).
>
>Just my .02
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:41:09 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: New sounds in the Delta

<HTML>
To anyone needing a new sound system;

<P>I can now highly recommend&nbsp; <A
HREF="http://www.custom-autosound.com/">Custom Autosound Mfg.</A> as a source
for a custom made sound system for your older vehicle. (esp. Olds).

<P>I ordered one of their units for my 75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible.
It had been awhile and I called them to see what was up. The man explained
that they were very busy and had a huge backorder. I explained to him that
I needed this unit soon as I am leaving tonight for Florida. He said he
would see what he could do.
<BR>Lo and behold I received a package from UPS in 4 days.

<P>I installed the radio/cassette unit yesterday. It bolted right in with
no modifications. Although the rear speakers face the trunk the power of
this radio has a wonderful bass pounding through the cavernous space behind
the seats, while the small speakers&nbsp; pour the highs just fine from
the top of the dash. Sounds this sweet have not graced the interior of
this Delta in a long time.

<P>The unit looks great in the dash. Like it was born there. And the "rocket"
symbol on the cassette door really sets it off.

<P>I'll be looking out for great and not so great looking Oldsmobiles on
my drive to Boca Raton. I will also be off the list 'till I get back.

<P>Until then,

<P>Mark Hahn
<BR>75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

<P>Thanks to all for their help and keeping this list interesting</HTML>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:42:44 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

t threads." >>
>
>Ummm.
>OK Karl VERY ignant. Why would the throws have rod bolt scratches?
>OK!
>Alright!
>Karl not know what a "throw" is.

You get these scratches on the crank by installing pistons/rods without
covering the rod bolts with ruber hose ect.
Those heat treated bolts just love to opertunity to gouge a freshly
machined crank.
Evil little things really.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:47:16 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Tranny Swap was: I no longer fear expansion joints!

At 04:28 PM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Uh,
>I got questions...
>
>I was under the impression that a *manual* 3-speed was desired...
>
>And
>
>I thought that there was a problem with the Early Pattern Flexplate (65-67?)
>making additions of TH350 difficult?
>
nope, a TH350 converter will bolt up to a early flex plate fine.
The prblem is that a early flex plate needs a early crank, and a late flex
plate
needs a late crank.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:53:04 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: speaking of tranny lines,,,,,,,

would double flared copper or aluminum for work for tranny lines?

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:02:36 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

Fred Orcutt wrote:
<it runs $1.91 per gallon.>

To which Chris wrote:
<Pricey>

Pricey?  Geez, I wish our racing fuel was that cheap! (we pay around $4.00 for
Sunoco leaded high octane)  Here's an idea to consider: mix this stuff with
some premium unleaded, if you're not worried about running the alky-gas
combination.  When we were racing Grace as a street stock (9.0 to 1 engine) we
used to mix Amoco premium unleaded 50/50 with Sunoco high octane and ran quite
well.

Just my opinion, and you know how those are................

Take Care,
Ken Snyder

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:22:43 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: TH 400

Kerry ... kerry ... kerry .... I still fix and fly those outdated, outmoded
aircraft.
1963 EC-130's in particular ... it is fix as best as you can and go safely
until
the real parts are found.

Actually my 66 442 and 69 Cutlass often get home-manufactured parts until
the real stuff is found. Please don't put the mark of el-cheapo on our
precious uncle Sam.

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:22:46 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

In a message dated 8/7/98 2:33:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bob149@efortress.com writes:

<< > 3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
 > a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?


 The manifolds you have now will fit the 403
  >>

Not exactly sure what a Y motor entails (normal 307?) But the 307 manifolds
off of my '86 Salon were so much smaller than the 403 that I left them off.
They would have been VERY restrictive, and very close to not mating up very
tight, due to minor size differences I guess in the heads. I really wanted to
keep those Stainless manifolds though! Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:34:29 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?

I think the wife & I are going to make it down there....Oldsmobile-less,
but still there!

Mike Evans
Richland, MI
'76 Cutlass 455 tricarb
'96 SHO *at least it's a V8!*

At 11:34 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Topic says it all.  Who is going to the Dick Miller or Mondello Nationals
>on August 16th..
>
>Al Varhus
>Columbus, Ohio
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
>Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>  Gem City Rockets
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:26:44 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: 307 to 403

Jerry,
     Did this exact swap in my '86 Cutlass Salon! I can E-mail you with all I
remember if you are interested! I can't get your e-mail address to work for
some reason...Dorian

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:41:36 EDT
From: <OreOlds64@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

307 oil pan will fit the 403,distributor too i think.ive always taken them out
and put regular distributors in.Some of the 307 exhaust manifolds are smaller
than 403 aint they?I think so.i like to use toro exhaust,works good for duals.
i hav a lot of 403 heads and blocks too.got some #5 heads too.well i hope
maybe i helped a little.i race 403 motors every week on a dirt track.i call my
car ole faithful, never lets me down.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:39:14 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI

Best people I know for Quadrajets "The Carb Shop" in Rancho Cucamonga, CA..
they advertise alot in Hot Rod, Etc. If you ever see a magazine article on
Q-jets they are probably the ones interviewed. Even after Brad passed away
the knowledge he left is still there. They also seem pretty reasonable on
rebuilds for performance starting at around $150 I think.. If you can't
find them mail me personally..
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
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> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:04 PM
>
> Perhaps you could suggest someone?
>
> Thanks.
>
> SOM
> &KA

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:00:10 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Bad Luck, Actually it's true

Andy and other Disbelievers,
Really happened, I would not do this but it wasn't my show. High voltage,
low amperage, still, very dumb idea. Which was what I was trying to get
across. Sorry you missed the point.
Lou Biggs
1975 Ctlass Supreme
1967 442



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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:23:18 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

Chris,  I get that call, from time to time.  It almost always comes on a
Friday afternoon and begins "You don't know me but".  Then the caller states
his business, which is gonna be about why I should buy that piece of merde
that has been a millstone about his neck since he bought it new 30+/- years
ago.  Being a sap, I usually fall for it.  Presto!  I have a yard full.
Peter
- -----Original Message-----
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Re: 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)


>In a message dated 8/6/98, 6:36:20 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
><< Jeez, Joe, I'm surprised thats not my engine.  That was a fairly
>comprehensive job done on you.  Most junk ends up here, in my garage.  My
>wife and daughter will testify to this, if it becomes neccessary.  "What do
>you mean you're getting another one?  You haven't finished the last one".
> Peter
>>>
>Peter, did you and I marry the same woman? That or you and I are leading
>identical lifes in different parts of the contry. Glad to hear that I am
not
>the only person afflicted with the Olds collection syndrom. Chris

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

> 2. Will the 307 Computer Controlled Distributor work?
> 5. Carb will be a slightly modded Holley 750 4BBL Vaccumm Secondary,
> will that adequately do the job for both driving it to work, and running
> it on the track?

The 307's EST distributor will physically drop in, however, the ECM won't
be able to control it properly without a TPS reading from the E4MC
Quadrajet.  If you're set on using the Holley, you'll have to discard the
computer controlled distributor.  Why don't you try keeping the computer
controls?  My 307's electronic Q-jet, after a few small modifications, is
running just fine with a 455.  I recently averaged 20.58 mpg U.S., on a 2
way highway run averaging 65 mph, in an '88 Cadillac.  Wide open throttle
fueling seems to be OK to 5500 rpm, using O2 sensor values as a rough
guideline.  I'm currently playing with the ECM's spark tables.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:41:46 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Wheels dealers

has anybody on the list had any dealings with Capital Wheels. They
are a O.E.M wheels dealer. Their site can be found at.....

http://www.CapitalWheels.com

Need comments good, bad, slow service....yadda yadda yadda....???

Mike..........................

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:49:06 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???

Hello all, I'm moved and back after two weeks.  Things are still chaos
here for at least another month when we get the WHOLE house (long story,
e-mail if you want boring details), so I'll be on here sporadically.
After all the stress of moving and buying a house, I think I'll spend a
nice few quiet hours tomorrow giving Rusty a much-needed tune-up.

Uh, what engine is in that?  It could be something to do with the ISC,
the idle speed control, or the ILC, idle load compensator.  Does it idle
fine with the A/C off?  If it does and you're switching engines soon, my
"fix" is to turn off the A/C when idling :-)

Also sounds like it could be a vacuum leak.  The more I think about it,
the more probable I think this is.

Check out my web page, there are instructions for setting the idle
mixture (www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html).  It also could be an O2 sensor
going out, causing an incorrect mixture.

The O2 sensor is before the cat, so the hollowed cat would not affect
the O2 sensor readings.  However, now that the engine is pumping air
more efficiently (since no cat. restriction), it's taking in more air
and that may cause it to run slightly lean, but I wouldn't think that
would be a factor at idle.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:42:15 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of tranny lines,,,,,,,

well it would probably hold up in copper but wouldnt use aluminum
this isnt high pressure but the copper and aluminum would probably fail due
to metel fatigue(vibration, cracks splits ewww ick)...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:55 PM
Subject: speaking of tranny lines,,,,,,,


>
>would double flared copper or aluminum for work for tranny lines?
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:02:57 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Toro Wonderbar Radio

Wasn't someone here looking for an FM radio for a Toronado the other
day?  There is one for sale on the ebay auction site.  Go to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24501741

It's for a '68, but it should also fit '66 and '67, which is what I
thought the person in question was looking for...

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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