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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, August 11 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1421



Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
Re: Distributor Woes
RE: Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
Re: HP question
Attention Q-jet gurus
RE: Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
RE: Parts 4 Sale (assortment of 53-77)
Re: Attention Q-jet gurus
Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
GBody Emblem query results
Re: Exhaust Manifolds
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re: Distributor Woes
re: radiator problem, please help
Re: 1986 Vin 9
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
RE: Manifolds
Re: HP question
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Looking for a rolling(or not) Chassis
Re: Distributor Woes
Re: HP question
Re: HP question
On the Roch Rod subject.....
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re:  4.56 vs 4.11 Gearing
Re: 1986 Vin 9
Re: '71 Vista Cruiser
Big Thank You to Fusick's
Quality Problems
Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's
Re: Parts List thanks
Re: Distributor Woes
Re: MSD Distributor
Re: web page updated
Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's
Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals
Re: MSD Distributor
Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Re: HP question
G-Body Emblems again ('80 442)
Re:  G-Body Emblems again ('80 442)
Re: Distributor Woes
Re: Distributor Woes
pre '72 GM list server
Re: HP question
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Cutlass Supreme Brogham
UNBOUNCE: Older GM Resto List
Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's
Re: Looking for a rolling(or not) Chassis
Re: Yet more timing chain help
Re: Carb recommendations with OAI
Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
RE: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: 115 Octane Gas
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:37:26 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.

>So..... in your opinion what would be the best ex- manifold for a 79 403
>installing into 87 442??

The cast iron manifolds from an '81-'85 "5A" headed 307; they share the
same basic casting as the earlier 350/403 manifolds, and have provision for
an O2 sensor to screw in to them. Bill Reilly is using these on the 455 in
his Cutlass, which will retain the computer controlled carb and ignition of
the original 307. I look forward to the results of all these swaps, as my
403 may someday find a home in one of the later-model G-bodies, and I'd
like to retain all the advantages of the computer controls.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:46:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

Ray,

I claim no expertise here, having performed this operation only once.

My suggestion  is to soak evrything in the area with a penetrating oil ---I
prefer the brands Gum Cutter or PB Blaster----and let it soak like
overnight. Then spray it some more before you work on it. Tap around on it.
Attempt to twist it a  bit from the inside with  a prybar or long
screwdriver. If it won't budge, soak it again & walk away. Come back in some
hours & repeat.

There is probably a better way, but this has worked for me.

Good luck....


roger

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:47:34 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.

	Bob Barry Wrote:
	>>The cast iron manifolds from an '81-'85 "5A" headed 307

	Bob, my 1984 "5A" Headed 307 has a factory aluminum intake

	>>they share the same basic casting as the earlier 350/403
manifolds, and have     provision for an O2 sensor to screw in to them.

	Bob, my O2 sensor is located in the exhaust manifold, not the
intake manifold.



> ----------
> From: 	Robert Barry[SMTP:rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:37 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
>
> >So..... in your opinion what would be the best ex- manifold for a 79
> 403
> >installing into 87 442??
>
> The cast iron manifolds from an '81-'85 "5A" headed 307; they share
> the
> same basic casting as the earlier 350/403 manifolds, and have
> provision for
> an O2 sensor to screw in to them. Bill Reilly is using these on the
> 455 in
> his Cutlass, which will retain the computer controlled carb and
> ignition of
> the original 307. I look forward to the results of all these swaps, as
> my
> 403 may someday find a home in one of the later-model G-bodies, and
> I'd
> like to retain all the advantages of the computer controls.
> __________________________________________________________
> Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> 1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
> 1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
> http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm
>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:49:26 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: HP question

>While we're on this horsepower train, I was told something this weekend I
find
>hard to believe. My uncle just bought the '71 S off me and wants to
replace the
>smoking, stock 350 with a 455. A '70 455 to be exact. He was having a time
>finding one so he settled for a '73 455. He was told by a "mechanic" that
the '73
>445 delivered the same HP as the '70 model did. Has anyone ever heard this
>before? I always thought HP decreased considerably by then. I figured this
is the

Well, the net hp of the hottest '73 455 (the 4spd K-headed 442 motor) was
certainly more than the net hp of the lowest-hp '70 455 (the 9.0:1 2-bbl
Delta motor), but I'm sure that's not what your uncle's mechanic meant. He
just told your uncle whatever it took to sell him the motor. The mechanic
is BSing him, as the regular big-car 4bbl 455 was down in power
considerably from the '70 version, due to two significant changes: the
lower compression, and the more restrictive heads.

>>place to get the final ruling on this vicious rumor! He was also told to
leave
>>the 350 turbo trans instead of going to the 400. He was told the 350
outperforms
>>the 400 when driven by the 455 motor. Again I went, "What!?"

That is true; the TH350 requires less hp to turn than the TH400, so more
gets to the road and hence the car goes faster... as long as the
transmission lasts. It takes a properly-rebuilt TH350, though, to stand up
to a healthy 455 for any length of time, and the money that goes into that
tranny could easily be put into the engine to develop the extra hp that
would be consumed by the TH400, which will last very well behind even a
healthy 455 in basically stock form.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:50:27 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Attention Q-jet gurus

Last night I was going through my ever increasing pile of Q-jet parts
(trying to build one out of several junk ones), trying to make a
decision as to which set of primary rods to use when I noticed that one
of the pairs were triple taper. I looked at the stamping and sure enough
there on the side of each was a very easy to read "47C". Now here's the
question:

What are these out of? I thought that only '70 Olds used the triple
taper. These came out of an unmolested Pontiac carb, and on top of that,
every source that I can find does not list a 47 triple taper as being
made.

Anyone?!!!!!

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:51:44 -0400
From: "Weaver, Stanleigh G" <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
Subject: RE: Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.

Bob, I must apologize, I didn't pay close enough attention otherwise I
would have realized you were referring to the Exhaust manifolds. Please
forgive me!!

Stan
> ----------
> From: 	Robert Barry[SMTP:rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:37 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.
>
> >So..... in your opinion what would be the best ex- manifold for a 79
> 403
> >installing into 87 442??
>
> The cast iron manifolds from an '81-'85 "5A" headed 307; they share
> the
> same basic casting as the earlier 350/403 manifolds, and have
> provision for
> an O2 sensor to screw in to them. Bill Reilly is using these on the
> 455 in
> his Cutlass, which will retain the computer controlled carb and
> ignition of
> the original 307. I look forward to the results of all these swaps, as
> my
> 403 may someday find a home in one of the later-model G-bodies, and
> I'd
> like to retain all the advantages of the computer controls.
> __________________________________________________________
> Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> 1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
> 1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
> http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm
>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 10:02:53 -0600
From: scc@teamquest.com
Subject: RE: Parts 4 Sale (assortment of 53-77)

     I am looking for a 68 cutlass tilt column shift collar eliminator.  I
     would like to move the column shift to the floor.

     Thanks!!!
     Steve

     scc@teamquest.com  (work)
     schuck@fiai.net    (home)

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:03:39 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Attention Q-jet gurus

i remember reading that about the 1970 olds triple taper rods in the
"rochester carburetors" book (i think that was the name of it).  is
there anyone on this list "related" to the pontiac camp that can help???

brent, btw, i have a pair of front springs still in the box for a '70
cutlass "s".  think you could use them???


Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
>
> Last night I was going through my ever increasing pile of Q-jet parts
> (trying to build one out of several junk ones), trying to make a
> decision as to which set of primary rods to use when I noticed that one
> of the pairs were triple taper. I looked at the stamping and sure enough
> there on the side of each was a very easy to read "47C". Now here's the
> question:
>
> What are these out of? I thought that only '70 Olds used the triple
> taper. These came out of an unmolested Pontiac carb, and on top of that,
> every source that I can find does not list a 47 triple taper as being
> made.
>
> Anyone?!!!!!
>
> Brent Pinkstaff
> '70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:02:59 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re:  Vin Y, 9 manifolds, etc.

The passenger side must be a cast iron type (for O2 sensor) and the
drivers side can be any A or G car from 75 (cat converter models) to 90
(with Olds V8, 455 is ok).  These are the best.  The tubular steel is
somewhat flow restricted by the port size.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:12:10 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: GBody Emblem query results

Hey folks,

Thanks to everyone that responded to my question
about the "gold" emblem on the nose of my 87 442.

Doug Newman went so far as to get me the part
number, and a couple of you that bought your cars
new informed me that the emblems are indeed
SUPPOSED to be RED. These emblems are
only on 87-88 G-Body cars...81-86 did not have
the emblems.

They are also still available from GM for $12, but
they have 2 less than they did yesterday. ;-)

Thanks again!

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:14:44 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifolds

>     Someone was wondering if the big block left side exhaust manifold
>(the 'X' version) would work on a small block. IT WON'T. I know, I
>tried to put one on a 350 and it HITS THE STARTER.

And the "Z" manifold on the right side will interfere with the oil filter
adapter. So no factory big-block dual exhausts on a small-block motor. I
think we've FAQ'd this information, hadn't we?
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:13:00 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

>> Also available was the 260 Olds diesel, in books as V8, but some have
speculated
>> a V6 diesel, too.  No verification on that, though.
>
>Verification you got.
>
>The Olds 260 V8 Diesel was available as in option in 1979 ONLY on
>Cutlass models except Cruisers.  They started using the 350 in these
>models in '80.  The Olds 260 V6 Diesel was available starting in 1982 on
>Cutlass Ciera and Cutlass Supreme models.  It was also available in
>Ninety Eight Regencys in '85.  All Diesels were discontinued for '86.

There was in fact an Olds V-6 diesel, of about 263ci, in addition to the
260ci V-8 diesel. Both of these might have been marketed as "4.3L" diesels,
which may have resulted in some confusion. BTW, I don't think the 263ci V-6
diesel was ever offered in RWD cars. It was a dedicated diesel design.
Everett Horton has a factory intake for one of these, with the big hole for
the injector pump. I wouldn't want to be trying to find parts for that
engine in a couple years...
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:09:41 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

>I'm hoping someone will have a solution for a little distributor problem I
>currently have. Sunday I attempted to tune my Cutlass, only to find the
>distributor housing *welded* to the block. So I attempted to free the stuck
>housing. After tapping and twisting I succumbed to frustration and applied
>too much force. Now I have the extremely undesirable two part distributor
>housing. So, this is the question: How the hell do I get the distributor
>out of the block without doing any more damage?

If the distributor body is still partly in there, you may find a flat
"boss" on the lower body of it; try to get as huge an adjustable wrench as
you can on there and work it back and forth. In a worst-case scenario you'd
have to pull the engine and bash it through from the underside. I like
Joe's slide-hammer suggestion, though.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:18:21 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: re: radiator problem, please help

>I believe that I have the same problem as the two of you do with my
>'65 Pontiac Bonneville... major difference is that the cause of my
>problem is MUCH more obvious... at shut-off the radiator will start
>venting out of the spill hose... and at the same time... will start
>venting out of a leak at the top seam on the d-side of the radiator...

Do you top off the radiator, or only add to the "fill" line on the side?
The non-overflow systems rely on some airspace at the top of the tank for
expansion, so filling the radiator as you would on a car equipped with an
overflow tank will result in the spillage of antifreeze at every stop. This
is normal (though that leak at the top seam isn't...).

>BTW, am not driving the Poncho much until I get it fixed...

Clayton,

You know what, I think you should just *sell* that hunk of junk to someone,
oh, like ME! I'll even pay you $50 more than you bought it for... If you
ever get tired of fixing it, you've got my number... :)
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:55:06 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1986 Vin 9

>Message text written by Angel
>>I have a 1986 442 with a VIN 9 307 BUT with 5A heads and corresponding
>accesories<

Wasn't it reported that some '86's used the 5A heads?

>What is different about the 5A head/engine accessories? I haven't seen one
>so I don't know what else to look for other than the 5A cast onto the head.
>
>What is the number on your carburetor?  That will helpo identify engine
>year.

Not necessarily; the last few years Rochester got lazy, and used the same
carb with an identical number, unadjusted for years. I believe the number
was 17086553 or something like that. I can check this tonight.

__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	              MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
1969 Toronado-  See at http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX  and  1978 Electra  and  a
1988 Grand Wagoneer which can be seen at-
http://www.off-road.com/~ifsja/readers/wagoneers/barry.htm

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:22:42 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

>That would be a C-body.  Just for the record, Firenzas were J-bodies,
>Omegas were X-bodies, Cutlass Cieras were A-bodies and Toronados were
>E-bodies.

And the "K" was the Seville, the "F" was the Firebird/Camaro, "H" (H07)
is the Starfire, and then the "H" (H54) became the FWD Delta 88.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac



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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:26:31 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Manifolds

>My question is what is the difference VISUALLY between the Stainless
>steel exhaust manifolds, and the cast manifolds...  The topic comes
>around once in a while, and some guys "I got these" or "I got those"...

You cannot miss them, they look nothing alike.  The tubular SS look like
someone took exhaust pipe and welded some port flanges to it.  The cast
iron is your regular cast iron, rusty, with strength ribs, and most
rust.

Easy to spot.  The SS will be dull, but very different.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:31:25 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

The THM350 built and a THM 400 built, the THM350 will scoot down the 1/4
mi faster, but it may not live quite as long.  If memory still works,
the THM350 needs about 35 hp to operate (or sucks up....) and the THM400
is more like 60 hp.  The THM350 is lighter and has less rotating mass.
The gear ratio is a slight difference from 2.52/1.52/1.00 vs
2.48/1.48/1.00.  The THM350 is a very good trans.  Never ever downplay
it as a bad one, it works well.

Then there is the THM375 and the THM375B.....

And maybe Steve can help, the THM475.  (the THM425 is front drive for
the Toro's/Eldo's of 78 and older)  The THM475 has been listed for HD
trucks and some large old Cadillacs, but I have no info on it.



Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:40:34 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

If any Canada folks, maybe you can verify.

Something I heard many years ago Canada has a law that prevents cars
sold in Canada to have other than an engine produced in Canada, i.e.,
why the Pontiacs of the 60-70's had factory BB Chevy engines.  They are
an American V8, but the Chevy V8 is made in Canada.  The 80's Cutlass's
from what I have seen are 305 powered, if they were made to Canada spec,
not US brought in.  I found a 66 Catalina that was a Beaumont with a
factory powerglide and 283.  It was a 2dr sedan top, not hard top.

Not sure how it is today, but maybe someone can confirm.  This could be
the reason the Chevy V8 is listed.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC Ram Air
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:48:35 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Looking for a rolling(or not) Chassis

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:52:03 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

Thanks Joe,

The housing is stuck in the block, and the block is still in the car.
Ideally, I'd like the block to stay in the car. ;) I don't know if there is
enough clearance for a pipe wrench, but I'll give that a try first.
Hopefully, that will work and I won't need a slide hammer. I'll let you
know how it goes.

Thanks Again,
Ray


At 10:05 AM 8/11/98 -0400, Joe wrote:
>Sorry to hear about that, Ray.  I thought I was the only idiot who did
>that.
>
>I assume the engine is still in the car, so working space is limited.  Is
>the housing stuck in the block (so it won't turn)
Snip
>Another option (which works for either the shaft or the housing being
>stuck) is to get a slide hammer and figure a way to hook it under the
>advance weight portion of the distributor shaft.  I've got one and can weld
>up a hook to fit the shaft if you need to do that - give me a call.
>
>Joe Padavano

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:39 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: HP question

Thomas Martin wrote:

> The THM350 built and a THM 400 built, the THM350 will scoot down the 1/4
> mi faster, but it may not live quite as long.  If memory still works,
> the THM350 needs about 35 hp to operate (or sucks up....) and the THM400
> is more like 60 hp.

I thought that the TH400 took up 25 HP.  In looking at 1968 specs, the
non-autotranny 442s had 350 HP and the automatics had 325 HP.  I would
guess that the
TH400 took 25 HP.  I could be wrong. (Be gentle if I am :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:56:27 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: HP question

there could have been a milder cam in the automatic version, too.


Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> > The THM350 built and a THM 400 built, the THM350 will scoot down the 1/4
> > mi faster, but it may not live quite as long.  If memory still works,
> > the THM350 needs about 35 hp to operate (or sucks up....) and the THM400
> > is more like 60 hp.
>
> I thought that the TH400 took up 25 HP.  In looking at 1968 specs, the
> non-autotranny 442s had 350 HP and the automatics had 325 HP.  I would
> guess that the
> TH400 took 25 HP.  I could be wrong. (Be gentle if I am :-)
>
> --
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442 SC - Frosty
> 68 442 HT - Scarlet
> 68 442 HT - Saffron
> 82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
> http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:06:31 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: On the Roch Rod subject.....

My new Edelbrock Catalogs show Roch jets, rods and hangers.

Prices much higher than "barrel-o-carbs" carb parts, but hey, brand new rods!

Limited offering, of course.

As for the Pontoon tri-taper?

You might also try Chris Witt (not currently on list).

[Geez, its like Michael Jordan being out of basketball!]

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:10:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Thomas Martin wrote:
> Something I heard many years ago Canada has a law that prevents cars
> sold in Canada to have other than an engine produced in Canada, i.e.,
> why the Pontiacs of the 60-70's had factory BB Chevy engines.

No, I don't think there was any law to this effect, although I'm no
expert on the US/Canada Auto Pact that allowed stuff to cross borders
untouched by customs duties. Prior to the pact coming into effect in the
1960s I presume there were duties levied on US-built motors and other
components when they crossed the border, so that may explain why they
made Canadian Pontiacs with Ch*vy drivetrains. The practice continued for
some years thereafter. Actually it is quite easy to spot a Canadian
Pontiac of this vintage (up to the early 70s) because they do not have
the wide-track front tread since they use a Ch*vy chassis. Looks kind of
dumb, to be honest. My dad was a Pontiac man in the 60s and he had a
series of them (Laurentians and Parisiennes) with 283 V-8s.

My Cutlass was built in '67 and has a 350 Rocket that I would guess had
to be made in Lansing even though the car was built in Oshawa. Why 1980s
vintage G-bodies made here have 305 Ch*vys in them I cannot understand,
though it is certainly accurate that they do. I don't know if they ever
made Oldses up here with the 307. Maybe it was just easier to go with
what they had available within the plant.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:10:18 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  4.56 vs 4.11 Gearing

I run 4.10 gear with 28x12.5x15 M/T sportsman pro's.
Shift points are 5800-6000 and puts me thru traps at same.
Best ET to date is 11.80 / 114 mph.

I woundn't go any bigger due to fact that I can drive on street and
e-way and keep up with traffic most of time.  Run 3100 rpm at 65 mph.

hope this helps.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:39:32 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: 1986 Vin 9

>What is different about the 5A head/engine accessories? I haven't seen one
>so I don't know what else to look for other than the 5A cast onto the head.

>What is the number on your carburetor?  That will helpo identify engine
>year.


Steve, what I meant with "the correspondind Accesories was that nothing
seemed like it came from another car, judging from the similar conditions of
the parts. Sorry I misled you.

As far as the Vin and other numbers go, here's what I found:

VIN: 1g3gk4796gp392942 (anybody can decipher the whole vin???)
Carb: 17086009
Driver's side ex- manifold: (front)*4/D (meaning the 4 is over the D)
				    (rear)22503618
Pass side: Couldn't see.....:)

Hope this helps some.

TIA,

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442-----> 307 H.O. (5A), TH-350 (not my fault,previous owner), 3.73
rear......Ooooh, T-tops !!!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:46:23 -0400
From: Kyle Roe <karoe@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: '71 Vista Cruiser

David,
I am in the Denver Metro area. The car is in plenty good condition to make it
to Chicago. Please contact me at my 'private' E-Mail address or call on the
phone to discuss.
I am about 45 minutes away from Boulder.

EMail =>=>  Karoe@us.ibm.com

Phone =>=>  (303) 773-5591

Please provide a private EMail address and phone so we can take this  "offline"
from this list.
Thanks,
Kyle

===============================================================================
=
========================


Definitely interested in your car - where in Colorado?  I have friends in
Boulder area but otherwise no other contacts there, and would like to arrange
to have someone I know see the car - or you could send pictures.  If there is
a way to keep CO plates on the car, is it in good enough condition to be
driven to Chicago?  I have business trip planned for Denver and could be there
sometime in the next 2-3 weeks.

Thanks - David

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:54:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Big Thank You to Fusick's

Some of you will recall that back at the first of July I made a trip to
Conneticut and picked up some parts at Fusick's. When I got home and
installed some of them some unpleasant surprises ensued with the quality
of a couple of the items. I dithered, but decided to send 2 of them back
and kept the other 2. Even though I wasn't happy with the quality of the
items I kept, they were better than my originals.

With the package I sent a note to Mike Fusick explaining the situation
and quality problem, and why I kept the other 2 items. I left it up to
him to decide what to do. I am very pleased to report that I received
credit for all 4 of the items from them today. Thanks very much, guys!
It's so good to deal with a vendor who believes in customer service the
way these guys do. Needless to say, I recommend them.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:01:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Quality Problems

Realized I forgot to mention the items that had problems. The '68 Cutlass
repro fender eyebrow moldings got sent back because they fit poorly. The
mounting pins were not in the exact same place as my originals and when you
opened up the holes in the fender to let them fit they sat wrong. I don't
know how this can be but that's the way they are. Just off enough to mess
you up.

The items I kept were repro '68 rear side marker bezels. Once they were
on the car I realized the quality of the casting and plating made them
look like they were originals that were pitted, badly repaired, then
chromed. The surface was definitely flawed. My old ones were pitted, so
these are better but only a little. I noticed after I got home that the
Year One catalog has a warning about these saying they are not show
quality. Unfortunately, they are correct.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:06:49 EDT
From: <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's

In a message dated 98-08-11 12:57:07 EDT, you write:

<<  Needless to say, I recommend them.  >>

Karl tends to agree.
$136 or so for correct 425 vib damper (painted black?).
Damper went on kinda snug (VERY good for reman damper?).

AFTER karl used some chrome touch-up paint to, uh, detail the timing groove.

Finding timing mark is no problem!

Plus, they pack their items well!

And were willing to "consider" accepting a damper I assured them was broken.

Karl Kept orig. damper.

Best to keep and submit in person to other if credit for reman is possible.
And save shipping on broken 20# part!

But that is, again, mine own hallucination.
Time for bed.

Anyone for RocketTalk at 8pm cst?

Karl try to not oversleep.

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:07:40 EDT
From: <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts List thanks

 thanks for the reply...

do you have any 70 r-side sport mirror parts?????
 have you been asigned a spot at charlotte yet???

thanks  jeff...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:21:28 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

Roger, Bob thanks for the input. I imagine one or a combination of the
suggestions will work. I hope something works before I get to Bob's last
option. ;O

Thanks Again
Ray

At 11:09 AM 8/11/98 -0400, Doc Bob wrote:
>...In a worst-case scenario you'd
>have to pull the engine and bash it through from the underside. I like
>Joe's slide-hammer suggestion, though.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:28:28 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor

Sorry, should have written: whats the matter with the internal type?
I know you can get better than stock coils that are simply installed
in place of the regular HEI coil.  Why would you want to add the clutter
to your engine compartment if you didn't have to?

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:25:38 EDT
From: <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: web page updated

In a message dated 8/10/98 7:09:56 PM EST, super442@yahoo.com writes:

<<
 ----They do make several conversion kits...To make the '69 models into
 '68's...they also make a W-30 hood---even a hardtop to convertible
 conversion. They also have all the "decals" to make these cars into
 the '70 Pace Car & '72 H/O.Any GOOD hobby shop should have access to
 these parts.If anybody is interested in this stuff and can't find it,I
 can get it from a local place here.Just hit me direct.

 Also,sort of related...found a RED 69 442...the ERTL size(1/24
 ?)...haven't seen a RED one before~anybody interested?
           John >>

First, if these are the newer ones ('69 442 that Ertl makes now, they have
these everywhere (in red).  The older '69 H/O's were white in color.

Next, there are quite a few conversions (in resin, rather than your typical
plastic, same basic concept), including the ones listed above.  There are two
places I know of that have these things...

1) All American Models (run by Art Anderson) 22 S. 16th St., Lafayette, In.
47905, ph. - (765) 423-4565  They have quite a few conversion, including the
std. to convert., and the W-31 hoods.  Tell 'em Chris Ruper sent you....

2) Modelhaus 5480 Traughber Rd., Decatur, Il. 62521 ph. (217)864-4402  They
have the '69 to '68 conversion kits.

Try these, and there are numerous places with decals, but I'm not sure who has
what...

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:27:14 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's

Brett was just wondering why you talk in the third person perspective..
Not that Brett minds or anything,
Brett just thought it was funny.
Being a programmer I tend to yell or complain to myself also (I mean Brett).
 All in good humor..
Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass convertible
looking for non convertible 66,67,or 68 cutlass
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's


>In a message dated 98-08-11 12:57:07 EDT, you write:
>
><<  Needless to say, I recommend them.  >>
>
>Karl tends to agree.
>$136 or so for correct 425 vib damper (painted black?).
>Damper went on kinda snug (VERY good for reman damper?).
>
>AFTER karl used some chrome touch-up paint to, uh, detail the timing
groove.
>
>Finding timing mark is no problem!
>
>Plus, they pack their items well!
>
>And were willing to "consider" accepting a damper I assured them was
broken.
>
>Karl Kept orig. damper.
>
>Best to keep and submit in person to other if credit for reman is possible.
>And save shipping on broken 20# part!
>
>But that is, again, mine own hallucination.
>Time for bed.
>
>Anyone for RocketTalk at 8pm cst?
>
>Karl try to not oversleep.
>
>SOM
>&KA
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:33:41 EDT
From: <GaryDW30@aol.com>
Subject: Re: WANT TO BUY Manuals

The web site for Helms to check for manuals is: www.helminc.com/
I just ordered some stuff for a 92 Mark VII I recently purchased.
I'm going to look for material for the 69 442 W-30 next. (Olds content)

Gary

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:31:26 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor

Because I want the best i can get just short of Magneeto.
Some like big cams... I like big ignitions... hehe
Also i am currently running Hypertechs under-cap-HEI-coil and see no
improvements except rpm ability.
Jacobs may be better, but not as good as external.
Brett Wilson

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: MSD Distributor


>Sorry, should have written: whats the matter with the internal type?
>I know you can get better than stock coils that are simply installed
>in place of the regular HEI coil.  Why would you want to add the clutter
>to your engine compartment if you didn't have to?
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:58:29 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

Hi everyone - I have a question pertaining to my '85 Olds Cutlass Salon -
at highway speeds the car vibrates a bit, seems like lately more than
usual.  The common diagnosis for this is to rebalance the wheels/tires.  I
have the factory SSIII wheels (5-spoke chrome) on the car (the tires are
Firestone Firehawks, P215/70R14s).  One time when I had the tires balanced
(with a different set of tires), the tire technician told me that the
wheels were "not balanced" and that he could put the larger weights on the
wheel, but it still may not ride perfect.  Several times thereafter I have
had the wheels balanced and they always end up with a very large weight
attached (even with new tires).

My questions are: has anyone had any problems with balancing tires on the
SSIII wheels?  Would I likely get a better ride if I swapped for another
type of wheel?  Any other things I should check?  I don't suspect the front
alignment is bad since the tire wear is even across the front tires.

TIA, all help appreciated - Tom.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:07:19 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

In a message dated 98-08-11 12:00:29 EDT, you write:

<< > I thought that the TH400 took up 25 HP.  In looking at 1968 specs, the
 > non-autotranny 442s had 350 HP and the automatics had 325 HP.  I would
 > guess that the
 > TH400 took 25 HP.  I could be wrong. (Be gentle if I am :-)
 >
 > --
 > Chris Sparks >>

     HP wasn't measured at the back of the trans then. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:38:06 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: G-Body Emblems again ('80 442)

All the G-body emblem talk has got me going again :-) I ~desperately~ need to
get a lead on "4-4-2" emblems for my 80 442 W-30.  The outside ones that go on
the sail panel area are a solid metal emblem, while the ones on the inside door
panel are the standard 4-4-2 emblems that come on the 85-87 442's.  Also needed
are the chrome with red in the middle rocket logos that go on the front fender
and the block "Oldsmobile" emblem that goes on the front header panel above the
grill.  I am pretty sure the outer "4-4-2" emblems went on 78 and 79 442's 
also.

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7565
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tupper <mtupper@palacenet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 11:24 AM
Subject: GBody Emblem query results


>Hey folks,
>
>Thanks to everyone that responded to my question
>about the "gold" emblem on the nose of my 87 442.
>
>Doug Newman went so far as to get me the part
>number, and a couple of you that bought your cars
>new informed me that the emblems are indeed
>SUPPOSED to be RED. These emblems are
>only on 87-88 G-Body cars...81-86 did not have
>the emblems.
>
>They are also still available from GM for $12, but
>they have 2 less than they did yesterday. ;-)
>
>Thanks again!
>
>-Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
> mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:21:31 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re:  G-Body Emblems again ('80 442)

Jason,

>The outside ones that go on the sail panel area are a solid metal emblem,
while the ones on >the inside door panel are the standard 4-4-2 emblems that
come on the 85-87 442's.

I don't know if these are still available or not...
Found these in www.442.com classifieds. Very pricey!

- ------
Date Posted 7/20/1998 - 2- Brand new GM 1985-87 442 or 1980 W-30 442 badges
for the 85-87 door panels.These are brand new never used mint mint mint.
They are discontinued $125 cdn.OBO Darryl zych@globalserve.net Ontario,
Canada
- ---------

- -Mark Tupper    1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net        http://www.cyberglyphs.com/442/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:32:45 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

> Roger, Bob thanks for the input. I imagine one or a combination of the
> suggestions will work. I hope something works before I get to Bob's last
> option. ;O

Unfortunately, Ray, I ended up using the "Bob" option to remove a
distributor once.  Thing was STUCK.  Even a slide hammer was laughed
off.  Two skinned knuckles and a broken distributor later, I ended up
jacking up the motor a bit, removing the oil pan and pump/rod, and slid
a 5/16" steel rod up through the bottom, and with my trusty 2 lb sledge,
popped it out in about 2 seconds with a couple of good raps.  While I
was there anyway, it was a good opportunity to check the bottom end
out.  I used the newer GM pan gaskets, which have the metal/cork
arrangement, and everything went smooth.  However, a tough job just to
time the engine.
Been there, done that,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:48:35 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Distributor Woes

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> Now I have the extremely undesirable two part distributor
> housing.
> _____________
>
> Sorry to hear about that, Ray.  I thought I was the only idiot who did
> that.

Nope.  Looks like there's three of us Joe. :)


I did the same thing about two years ago.  Mine finally came out by
prying with two 24 ounce claw hammers.  One on each side, prying against
whatever part of the manifold or block was handy.  May have used a 2x4
block as a fulcrum to get some extra leverage, I can't remember.  Mine
was an HEI, you may have a little more trouble getting a grip with a
claw hammer on a points distributor.

Not pretty, but it worked.

Good Luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:54:28 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: pre '72 GM list server

      Hey everybody! I recently came across someone who started a list for pre
'72 GM cars. It's new, so not much traffic yet, but I figured there must be
SOME of you out there that have other than Olds' that won't admit it here : )
Plus, there are lots of you with pre-'72 Olds'  Anyway, just thought I'd pass
it along...the address is "majordomo@cliptrakker.com"
"subscribe gmrestotech-list" in the message body.    Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:03:51 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

Chris,
It was mostly cam.  However -- our  65   1/8 mile bracket car did pick up .03
to .04 seconds when we went from a TH400 to a TH350.
Roger Utter

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:06:55 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

The problem with SSIII wheels is not the wheels themselves, but the flunkies
who balance them. Yes, everyone of them. MOST tire jockeys are minimum wage
amateurs who don't know that it's tricky to mount SSIII's as well as SSII's
on a balancer. The problem is, the center cone on those wheels are very
small. You have to clean the back of the wheel and put the large cup on the
back of the wheel. In other words the balancer attaching order is such: big
cup, wheel, very small cone, spinner. Most wheels are: appropriate size
cone, wheel, big cup, spinner. Tire guy's may do a set of SSIII's every few
months while they do normal rims every day. You can tell just by watching
the wheel whether they have it on straight. It will have a slight wobble if
it's wrong. It will balance on the machine with very LARGE weights in that
manner. But on the car, the tires are even more out of balance than with no
weights at all.

Some important things to remember, mud in the rim will throw off balancing.
Fix-a-flat will annihilate balancing. The beauty rings are not on the rim
when balancing takes place and beauty rings are not balanced. The guy will
roll his eyes, but if you can talk him into it ($), you can have him spin
the wheel with the trim ring on, take it off to mount the weights, and
replace it to re-check it. It DOES make a slight difference. Most of all
SUPERVISE. They hate it, but it is your right. If they won't let you, go
somewhere else. When I was still in the business, I was the only one in my
shop that could get SSIII's down to zero. I hated pulling of a REAL job to
do it but if we wanted that customer to come back . . . . It takes someone
who cares what they are doing. Generally most tire flunkies are waiting for
five o'clock.

Just my .02, well maybe .03

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 3:04 PM
Subject: Tire/Wheel Balance Question


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>
>Hi everyone - I have a question pertaining to my '85 Olds Cutlass Salon -
>at highway speeds the car vibrates a bit, seems like lately more than
>usual.  The common diagnosis for this is to rebalance the wheels/tires.  I
>have the factory SSIII wheels (5-spoke chrome) on the car (the tires are
>Firestone Firehawks, P215/70R14s).  One time when I had the tires balanced
>(with a different set of tires), the tire technician told me that the
>wheels were "not balanced" and that he could put the larger weights on the
>wheel, but it still may not ride perfect.  Several times thereafter I have
>had the wheels balanced and they always end up with a very large weight
>attached (even with new tires).
>
>My questions are: has anyone had any problems with balancing tires on the
>SSIII wheels?  Would I likely get a better ride if I swapped for another
>type of wheel?  Any other things I should check?  I don't suspect the front
>alignment is bad since the tire wear is even across the front tires.
>
>TIA, all help appreciated - Tom.
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:31:48 -0400
From: John Langevin <37coupe@map.com>
Subject: Cutlass Supreme Brogham

I'm looking to convert my 1985 Cutlass into a Hurst replica.  I need to
find a Hurst hood scoop. Any ideas?

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:35:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Older GM Resto List

Dorian tried to post this but the "s*bscribe" word got him... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: pre '72 GM list server

      Hey everybody! I recently came across someone who started a list for pre
'72 GM cars. It's new, so not much traffic yet, but I figured there must be
SOME of you out there that have other than Olds' that won't admit it here : )
Plus, there are lots of you with pre-'72 Olds'  Anyway, just thought I'd pass
it along...the address is "majordomo@cliptrakker.com"
"s*bscribe gmrestotech-list" in the message body.    Dorian

(Greg's note: replace the "*" with a "u")

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:41:09 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Some of you will recall that back at the first of July I made a trip to
> Conneticut and picked up some parts at Fusick's. When I got home and
> installed some of them some unpleasant surprises ensued with the quality
> of a couple of the items. I dithered, but decided to send 2 of them back
> and kept the other 2. Even though I wasn't happy with the quality of the
> items I kept, they were better than my originals.
>
> With the package I sent a note to Mike Fusick explaining the situation
> and quality problem, and why I kept the other 2 items. I left it up to
> him to decide what to do. I am very pleased to report that I received
> credit for all 4 of the items from them today. Thanks very much, guys!
> It's so good to deal with a vendor who believes in customer service the
> way these guys do. Needless to say, I recommend them.

Oh yeah, I've bought plenty of stuff from them. I like the way they
handle you. I made two orders in two days, and they seemed to know
exactly how I wanted to pay for my stuff, even gave me some insight on a
few things. Fusick's RULES!!! It's more personal than calling up Jeg's
or Summit. It's like a small, family diner in a small town, compared to
a McDonalds in a huge city.

- --
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Matt Cremean
mailto:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:51:23 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a rolling(or not) Chassis

In a message dated 98-08-11 11:53:55 EDT, you write:

<<
     I am in want of a 66,67,68 non convertible rolling or non rolling
chassis.
 My convert is a daily driver now, so I am wanting a car for the track..
 Please e-mail me privately.
 Brett Wilson
 67 cutlass Convertible
  >>
Hi Brett
   Where are you?  I have a 67 sedan parts car for a donor here in Rhode
Island.


Everett   OCA#  1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:50:42 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Yet more timing chain help

Post is a little old, but to check dwell on a HEI, connect dwell meter
to the TACH and ground.  Run engine.  It is fixed, so you cannot play,
but you can check it.

I think you use 6cyl scale also.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:12:52 -0500
From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Subject: Re: Carb recommendations with OAI

Joe,
	The gasket I refer to is not the foam one on top of the upper
lid, but the rubber one under that same lid.  It is glued in.  It
looks like a giant o-ring.  I understand it's removal will lower the
lid some.

>
> I heard I can sneak about a half of an inch clearance by
> removing the thick round gasket on the plastic lid of the OAI air
> cleaner assy.
> _________________
>
> Uh, not having the foam "gasket" to seal to the hood tends to defeat the
> purpose of O.A.I.



	Okay, you folks made your point.  I have heard some bad
rap for the Q-jet, but I guess these problems will be diminished
with a performance rebuild, and it will probably save me some
dough.  Thanks to all who voiced their opinion.


- --

Brett Chaveriat

mailto:brett@mcs.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:32:27 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Big Thank You to Fusick's

  Absolutely.  All my experiences with Fusicks have been positive.  Smart
guys, good products, good service.  Now, if only they would do something
about the prices........  Peter.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:44:12 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

I have worked in a tire shop for 5 years, and I have found that Oldsmobile
rally rims are a pain to balance.  The center of the rims are not always true
to the rim because of the way that it sticks out.  There is an adapter
available to balance wheels by centering the stud holes.  The problem is that
these adapters are not cheap, and most tire shops do not have one.  If you can
find a shop that does that would be your best bet.
Keith 1970 442

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:41:07 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: 307 to 403 Swap.

>1. Will the Oil Pan from the 307 fit the 403 should the 403 pan not fit
>correctly.  Or WHICH 403 Oil Pan will fit the Cutlass?

RWD Oil pan, 307 or 403, your choice...

>2. Will the 307 Computer Controlled Distributor work?

Sure, if you are going to run the computer...Else no, it will not work
well.  No advance.  However you could rework it to the old type
internals, but some of the mounting bosses for connectors or stuff will
not be there, no place for vacuum adv can, no mech advance at all, etc.

>3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
>a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?

If you plan on using the ECM, Drivers side must be 75-up Olds V8 A Body,
(BB or SB) and pass side MUST be 81 up, with O2 Sensor location.  Else,
stick with 75 up A Body or G-Body manifolds, not tubular steel from the
mid 80's.  This info is according to the junkyard bible's...

>4. What mechanical parts will be able to be kept (IE: Water Pump)

All, ain't Olds swapping more phun than a F$rd?  Mine was perfect from
307 to 77 350.

>5. Carb will be a slightly modded Holley 750 4BBL Vaccumm Secondary,
>will that adequately do the job for both driving it to work, and running
>it on the track?

Well, I have had fantastic results from the CCC carb and the ECM!

>6. Will the Holley 750, the 403 and the STOCK Air cleaner present a hood
>clearence problem??

Not sure, but a Performer RPM will most likely cause clearance problems
in a G-Body.

>7. Do I ask too many questions?   Heh heh...

Well....


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:43:06 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

Make sure you have no rubber fuel lines!!  Of that amount of alky will
eat the rubber!!!!!

Where there is smoke there is FIRE!!!!

(like when those meats get smoking!!)

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:52:16 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

Robert Barry wrote:

> BTW, I don't think the 263ci V-6
> diesel was ever offered in RWD cars. It was a dedicated diesel design.

According to my sales handbooks and literature, the 4.3 V6 Diesel was
optional on all Cutlass Supreme, Supreme Brougham and Calais models in
'82, '83 and '84.  This was in addition to the 5.7 V8 Diesel.  Option
code for the 4.3 was LT6 and retail price was $500 (opposed to $700 for
the 5.7).  The 4.3 was not available in  RWD Cutlass Cruiser models.

Paul
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Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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