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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 16 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1487



Re: Olds Hearses and Ambulances, was: another choice
raidator swap
Duplicate messages
Re: 360HP 455
Re: Legal Question
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1972 Cutlass Supreme parts
Re: UNBOUNCE: RE:  3800 Performance Mods (long)
Re: 360HP 455
Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS
Re: Fibreglass repro hood
Emblem location
Re: names
Pinstripe Question
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Pinstripe Question
dealer labor rates
RE: Steering Box...less Boat-like
Re: dealer labor rates
Re: 70-72 Master cylinders
68 442 Conv 4 Sale!
Re: Emblem location
Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!
69 442 Convertible; rrealworld@aol.com
Re: 200-4R
Re: 360HP 455, now headers question
Re: 360HP 455
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: parts for sale/ 70 dual gate/sport mirrors
Re: raidator swap
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 360HP 455
71 Cutlass ragtop
Gone 'Til Saturday...........
.
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: alternator or Battery
Re: 70-72 Master cylinders
Re:valve covers
Re: 69 442 Convertible; rrealworld@aol.com
Re: Steering Box...less Boat-like
Re: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale
Re: 71 Cutlass ragtop
200-R4 vs. 200-4R
Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!
RE: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: 70-72 Master cylinders
info
Master Cylinder Talk
3800 performance mods / New Pontiac
Re: Steering Box...less Boat-like
Re: 1972 Cutlass Supreme parts
Re: Master Cylinder Talk
Re: car prob?? was Re: Kane County, IL show & swap & car prob??
Olds F-85
Re: (no subject) Antenna help.
Carb crap getting needle & seat. was Car prob?? and ...
RE: Steering Box...less Boat-like
Re: Overheating
Re: raidator swap
Re: Pinstripe Question
Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:00:32 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Hearses and Ambulances, was: another choice

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

>  These
>  vehicles had doors with window frames whereas regular production 98
>  sedans were all pillarless hardtops.

Actually, I made a mis-statement here.  They had two pillared sedans in
the 98 line, the standard Town Sedan and the Luxury Sedan (which was
available with or without pillars for the first time).  But even tho
they had pillars, they still didn't have frames around the windows.

You guys are slippin'.  Someone should have caught me on this one.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:38:00 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: raidator swap

Will a radiator from a 77-79 Custom Cruiser wagon with 403 and towing
package fit in an 87 Cutlass easily and properly?
And i need to get a radiator with a/c condensor, right?  I have a/c.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:14:30 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Duplicate messages

Just got two of my own messages, twice.  Anyone else getting
duplicates?  All show that they were sent to the list, not to me
directly.  I think there was a dup from another person, too.  Am I the
only one?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:26:29 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Igor, I need the full cam spec card if you have it. If not, I did plug it in 
and
I get anywhere from 280-420 depending on the cam specs and using stock versus
headers . In all my calculations for friends and myself headers seem to be the
biggest performance gain overall. i strongly suggest getting a set.

Ben
62 is STILL for sale and...
set of C heads from a 68 400. inquire if interested in either.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:18:29 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Legal Question

At 06:56 PM 9/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a question for all you legal experts out there...
>
>Is it illegal to give away, or make public, instructions on how to fabricate
>a (more than likely) patented part, like say, a console mounting bracket,
>if:
>
>a) the instructions tell how to identically reproduce the part,

If it is patented, ALL this info is allready made public allready.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:23:06 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 07:14 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I cannot figure this out!
>My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled by the
>original radiotor, a 307 car one.
>The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
>between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
>This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or maybe
>160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
>
180-200 degrees is not hot.

Olds engines run hotter "without" a thermistat.
Without a thermistat more water  goes throug that extra hose on the
themistat housing, back into the water pump rather that circulating
 through the engine.

Both my 403 and my 260 will blow there top in traffic without a thermistat
but run
fine with one.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:27:37 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 06:49 PM 9/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Ray,
>I know how you feel.  With my 455 (this was all at about 500 miles on the
>engine but still) and 180deg. thermostat (factory recomended 190) it will
>run all day in the city at about 190 degrees.  BUT, as soon as you hit 55
>mph and faster the temp would climb slow and steady.  After 45 mins on
>freeway, I finally shut it down when the temp gage was reading 230.

does your lower rad hose have a spring in it? I've seen this
cause high RPM overheating. Without the spring, the lower hose can
collapse.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:37:51 -0700
From: "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
Subject: 1972 Cutlass Supreme parts

Does anyone know where I can find the following parts for my 72 Spark
advance solenoid, Front bumper, grill and rock guard.  I am in San Diego
CA. trying to restore my 72
If so please e-mail me at gjackso1@san.rr.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:48:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: RE:  3800 Performance Mods (long)

My wife drives a '95 Bonneville with the Series II. It will MOVE-just the
way she likes it ;-).
>
>What I want to do with mine is get the stuff to make is a Series II (or
>as close as I can get) 3800.  They made 205 hp, your is 170 and mine is
>165.  Yours has the same cam as my 91, but new intake.  (Tuned Port).
>Maybe a roller timing chain if anyone makes one.
>
>The Series II 3800 has roller tip rockers as well.  All 3800's have
>roller cams.
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:59:46 -0500
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

I think that the horsepower differences that you are seeing result from a
difference in "net" horsepower and "gross" horsepower.

When these engines were rated, America was in the midst of the musclecar era
and outrageously huge horsepower numbers sold cars.  In order to obtain
these numbers, the automaker would take an "idealized" engine: meaning that
it was tested without any accessories, sometimes even without a water pump,
etc.  This resulted in great, if not entirely accurate OR standardized
numbers.  This causes a bit of a problem when trying to compare musclecar
era cars.

"Net" horsepower is the standard by which today's automakers give their
numbers.  This requires that the engine tested be fully accessory loaded,
exactly as it would be in the car.  This is much more fair as far as
comparing power ratings of two engines.

Anyway, there is no equation to convert between the two.  I am currently
rebuilding my 455 (10:1 compression; .496/.512 lift, big valve C casting
heads, 7/4 angle valve jobs, polished beams, Edelbrock Performer intake,
Hooker Headers, all the goodies)  and I believe this combination to put out
roughly 300 net horsepower.  I have not had the chance to prove this,
however.  I do have an opportunity to put this engine on a SuperFlow dyno
before I place it back in the Cutlass.  I'll keep ya'll updated on this.

Another thing that you may want to consider is where in the RPM range torque
is kicking in.  With your friend's Chevy, the torque peak is at a higher RPM
(probably around 4000-4500), whereas your Olds generates its peak torque
between 2500-3500 (give or take - depends on the cam and intake/exhaust
tuning).  This (not to mention weight and aero differences) also affects how
your car compares with your friends truck.

Hope this was helpful!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455


Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:08:29 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Igor -

I sounds like you are above 300, if not I would not know why.  Your specs
are close to 442 specs and they were rated around 360-375.

Corey D
dayc@ix.netcom.com
- - -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:40 PM
Subject: 360HP 455


>Some of you know the specs on my 455, but for those who don't here it is:
>
>'76 block. .030 10.1CR pistons(TRW), .10/.20 under crank, all new berrings,
>oil pump, etc.(full rebuild).  The cam is Speed Pro 272/280 AD, .448/.472
>lift.  The heads are J-s/ported and polished.  Intake is stock egr block
>off(but I have a non-egr one to put in).  Carb is 750cfm Q-jet of a '70
442,
>all emissions controls are gone.  It breaths through stock manifolds and
>dual 2.5" front pipes, balancer tube, Dynomax super turbo 2.25"mufflers and
>tailpipes. 2500stall converter, shift kit, 3.23s posi.
>
>Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
>(excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
>327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
>What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then
I
>must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
>"how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
>dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know
what
>they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
>even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid off
>lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>
>1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
>1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:05:14 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 71 VISTA CRUISER PARTS

If you find one your doing better then my buddy & I have in looking - the
one we did find was $150 and we couldnt look at it first ~ !!

Good luck!

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:09:50 -0500
From: "Tony Eichholz" <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Re: Fibreglass repro hood

Hi Peter;
      I would like to tell you about my experience with VFN.You see,I live a
couple of hours away from Chicago,so I ordered my hood (for 67 442)(you sold
me valve covers which are on now)They asked me if I wanted "bolt on" or "pin
on".I told them I wanted bolt on and the most original look I could buy
for$385.00.The hood took a month longer than promised,and they billed my
credit card immediately.(they say if you tell them to charge half now and
half later,they will but only on request).They call me and say its done.I
get it home and there is no way to hold it down by the original latch.I call
them and they say that I will have to pin the front,they have no way of
knowing what I need to keep the hood down.(there is no re-enforcement in the
front for a latch)I told them I had the original latch assembly from my
hood.They told me to bring it and the hood back,they would see what they
could do.They riveted the latch bracket to the fiberglass,and it seems to
work.The hood looks good and not many pinholes.Real straight and looks
good,the vents are not functional.
        So,to make a long story short,if you want one,order now because it
takes awhile.Make sure you understand how it latches in the front.
                 See Ya Tony

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:12:50 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Emblem location

Does anyone have the exact dimensions for drilling the holes to mount the
442 emblems on the front fenders for 1969?

Thanks

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:21:30 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: names

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> David L Wyatt wrote:
> > I
> > am glad we have Oldsmobiles as they are less confusing, I think.
>
> Yeah, all we have to worry about is whether it's an 88, an Eighty Eight,
> a Super 88, a Jetstar 88, a Dynamic 88, a Delta 88, a Delta 88 Custom, a
> Delta 88 Royale, a Delmont 88, or an 88 Royale?
>
> Paul


Naw, we know it's an 88!!!  You could go up to a guy with an Delta 88
Custom, and say "Hey, nice 88", and he'd say "Thanx".  Or you could walk
up to a Jetstar Owner and say "Wow, glad to see someone else that got
the 88 bug", and they'd laugh and talk about Oldsmobiles...

Walk up to a Bel-Air owner, and say "Hey, nice Impala".  They'd get mad
and explain it not an Impala, it's a Bel-Air, they aren't the same.

So we are luckier... hahahahahahaha

Cutlass Owners (Especial G-Body Owners) Next time you go into a car
parts store, instead of calling it a Cutlass...  Tell 'em you've got an
F-85.........

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:21:51 -0500
From: "Tony Eichholz" <eichholz@liljasper.com>
Subject: Pinstripe Question

- -----Hey guys;
            Did the 442's(or any olds) come from the factory with any
pinstripes?My car is a 67 442 Holiday white with black vynil top and int.The
picture on the model has one, but I wanted to know if olds put it there,or
if the dealer added it on.
          Thanks  Tony
PS did the vynil top stop at the roof rail or did it go down the windshield
post?

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:51:05 EDT
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

Nathyn,
Yes, it does. But like I said it is an 84 t-type. The hood is nice.
Dennis

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:44:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Pinstripe Question

- -----Hey guys;
            Did the 442's(or any olds) come from the factory with any
pinstripes?My car is a 67 442 Holiday white with black vynil top and
int.The
picture on the model has one, but I wanted to know if olds put it there,or
if the dealer added it on.
          Thanks  Tony
PS did the vynil top stop at the roof rail or did it go down the windshield
post?
______________

Hi, Tony.

Option Y70 GT Paint Stripe is what I think you are looking for.  This was a
dual pinstripe that started at the front bumper and followed the peak of
the fender and door, ending on the rear quarter just beind the door.  Not
sure about the vinyl top, however.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:12:35 -0400
From: "derricklclark" <derricklclark@email.msn.com>
Subject: dealer labor rates

I have a 72 cutlass sup conv 455.
Should I be paying new car labor rates for a car so a car so old?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: Zipped tires


>Would this file tell me how to buy a tire with the same outside
>diameter as the stock wheels from my 66 98, but wider and
>on a 15" rim?
>
>cf
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> ---Hey eveyone,
>>          Hope everybodys day was ok.With all the talk lately
>> reguarding tire sizes~if anyone is interested I've got a tire size
>> calc.for your pc.E-mail direct if you're interested and I'll send the
>> ZIP file to you.
>>         Thanks,
>>              John

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:45:22 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Steering Box...less Boat-like

Get yourself to Lee Manufacturing in Sun Valley
CA. It should be the 818 area code. I've loved
the steering in my 98 since they did it and the
pump 10 years ago.

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Rivier [mailto:crivier@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 4:43 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Steering Box...less Boat-like
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I have a '66 Delta 88 Celebrity Sedan, 425V8.  I am having
> the front end
> worked on and am in need of info.  I would like a
> quicker-ratio steering
> box than my original.  I remember seeing a thread several months ago
> about stock looking box with a quicker steering ratio.  I
> would like to
> lessen the boatlike feel.  Any help would be appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris Rivier
> '66 Delta 88...The BEAST
> '88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:44:42 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: dealer labor rates

>I have a 72 cutlass sup conv 455.
>Should I be paying new car labor rates for a car so a car so old?


Derrick,

Find yourself a local garage that does quality work. My mechanic (also my
neighbor) charges $30 an hour whereas dealerships around here charge $65 +.

Randy

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:55:13 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Master cylinders

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> I thought that '70 w-31 and stick w-30 cars (manual disc) used the same
> master cylinder as the drum brake cars. Most of the parts books as well
> as most of the cars I have seen support this. I know that the '71-'72
> manual disc cars had their own master, but that the '70 models used the
> drum one.

Brent,

Although the 1975 Olds parts book lists the 1970 3200, 3600, 4400 OAI and
manual disc (part number 5471817) master cylinder as being the same for
1967-1972 drum brake applications.  This is the only reference of these two
being the same that I have ever seen.  And I can only conclude this is a
typo.  Reason number one being a drum brake cylinder and disc brake master
cylinder do not and cannot interchange due to the fact that a drum brake
cylinder requires check valves in both ports.  Whereas a disc brake master
cylinder cannot use a check valve in the front reservoir.  I have an older
Delco brake parts book that shows part number 174-318 for all 1970 drum
brake applications and part number 174-262 for 1970 manual disc
applications.  The 1970 chassis manual also states a different cylinder used
in drum vs disc applications.
I have personally restored two 1970 W-30 4 speed cars.  Both were low mile
originals.  Both had the same disc brake style cylinder.  Tonight I called a
local customer who recently picked up a low mile 70 W-30 4 speed car  (Which
by the way is for sale), it too has the disc style master cylinder.  I
rummaged through some old magazines and found several pictures of 70 manual
disc cars.  They all have the disc style master cylinder.  Other than the
1975 parts book reference, I cannot find any evidence to believe that 1970
manual disc cylinders are the same as the drum brake cylinders.
I would be interested to hear from other List members who own a 1970 with
manual disc brakes.  What type of master cylinder is on your car?  The
original style disc cylinder features a large front and a small rear
reservoir.  Whereas the drum style cylinder originally had equal front and
rear size reservoirs.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:45:31 -0600
From: Scott Wheeler <bswhee@gte.net>
Subject: 68 442 Conv 4 Sale!

It is with more regret than I can express that I put my baby up...
FOR SALE
Sept 98 NTOC Rocket Member Machines 1968 442 Convertible
I bought the car from the son of the original owner, he drove it for a
couple of years, dropped in a 455 with J heads, added a fresh coat of paint
and a new top.
Red with Garnet interior and white top
Column shift
AC car (have all brackets but no compressor)
Original rear end (with sway bar), Original transmission with fresh rebuild
(still under warranty)
New tires on 14" chrome SSIII wheels (original SSI wheels included)
Completely rebuilt drum brakes front to rear including master cylinder
New A-frame bushings & ball joints
78 Trans-Am Front sway bar
New gas shocks
442 rear bumper with cut-outs
New aluminized 2.25" exhaust from true dual manifolds back to the turbos and
out to the tips
New water pump, oil pump distributor, battery and bolts throughout motor
All receipts
Interior not too bad but needs TLC
Financial situation forces sale, may consider nice trade plus cash.
I bought the car for $4500 and spent another $2000, I just need to break
even.

Help me out if you can!
Call 972-303-0492 or e-mail at bswhee@gte.net

Thanks
Scott Wheeler
Soon to be former owner of a 68 442 Conv
Garland

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:59:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Emblem location

could take a bit of time but I could measure it and e-mail ya direct gotta
work sometime..kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:17 PM
Subject: Emblem location


>Does anyone have the exact dimensions for drilling the holes to mount the
>442 emblems on the front fenders for 1969?
>
>Thanks
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:27:24 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!

This is a chain letter.

At 04:58 PM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>For all, received this morning.
>
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>
>----------
>> From: Gary Cobb <COBB_GA@PENCO.COM>
>> Subject: Virus Warning!!
>> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:38 AM
>>
>>  You might want to pass this along.
>>
>>  RECEIVED THROUGH INTERNET MAIL TODAY (Monday, 9/14)!!
>>       Subject: Virus Warning
>>      This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable
>> screen-saver,
>>      the Budweiser Frogs. But if you download it, you will lose
>> everything!!!

- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons				 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 
3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722
								Home :	
(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile						(713) 776-2110 
(Houston)
 	 Delta 88				Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  
4-door								(713) 
318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:47:01 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: 69 442 Convertible; rrealworld@aol.com

Has anyone spoke with the seller at rrealworld@aol.com?  I've seen several
of his ads now, over the course of several months, and his price has been
steadily going down.  Anybody have any idea why?
- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons				 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 
3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722
								Home :	
(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile						(713) 776-2110 
(Houston)
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:40:45 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 200-4R

In a message dated 98-09-15 22:09:40 EDT, you write:

<< Is that listed as a 200-R4? >>

No, they are 200-4R's. it's a 700-R4   Dorian

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:46:09 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 360HP 455, now headers question

In a message dated 98-09-15 22:33:04 EDT, you write:

<< Igor, I need the full cam spec card if you have it. If not, I did plug it
in and
 I get anywhere from 280-420 depending on the cam specs and using stock versus
 headers . In all my calculations for friends and myself headers seem to be
the
 biggest performance gain overall. i strongly suggest getting a set.
  >>

     I always wondered if the HP gains claimed by header manufacturers were
over a single exhaust system? I have never seen headers advertised saying
15-30 HP gain over FACTORY DUAL EXHAUST setups, or similar setups with
manifolds. I find 15-30 HP over duals/manifolds kinda hard to believe,
especially with decent flowing manifolds. Am I wrong?  Dorian

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:00:10 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Oh, no question.  I belive my torque peak to be about 2600-3000 RPM.  His is
about 4500, from what I remeber.  We had our vehicles weighed and my came in
at about 4100lbs and his truck 4180lbs.  Like I said, he has really done his
homework on weight diff.  He has no spare, tailgate or anything like that.
Even when he had the thing painted, he paid twice the price for a pair of
fenders that were lolts lighter then stock.  Yes aerodynamics make a diff.
but I absolutley killed him off the line and keeped pulling away in every
gear.  He had his engine dyno tested and that is where he got the numbers.
His truck is quick, and even though feels quicker at top end then my car, it
is not.  All I am saying is that I belive I picked a wrong cam for my car.
With the converter and gears I am always above the peak power.   I would
like it to pull hard to 5000, like the truck does.  Then the 100 more cubes
will really make a difference.  I know bottom end cams make bottom end power
I would loose, but the 455 has plenty as it is.
- -----Original Message-----
From: John C. Ramsey <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>I think that the horsepower differences that you are seeing result from a
>difference in "net" horsepower and "gross" horsepower.
>
>When these engines were rated, America was in the midst of the musclecar
era
>and outrageously huge horsepower numbers sold cars.  In order to obtain
>these numbers, the automaker would take an "idealized" engine: meaning that
>it was tested without any accessories, sometimes even without a water pump,
>etc.  This resulted in great, if not entirely accurate OR standardized
>numbers.  This causes a bit of a problem when trying to compare musclecar
>era cars.
>
>"Net" horsepower is the standard by which today's automakers give their
>numbers.  This requires that the engine tested be fully accessory loaded,
>exactly as it would be in the car.  This is much more fair as far as
>comparing power ratings of two engines.
>
>Anyway, there is no equation to convert between the two.  I am currently
>rebuilding my 455 (10:1 compression; .496/.512 lift, big valve C casting
>heads, 7/4 angle valve jobs, polished beams, Edelbrock Performer intake,
>Hooker Headers, all the goodies)  and I believe this combination to put out
>roughly 300 net horsepower.  I have not had the chance to prove this,
>however.  I do have an opportunity to put this engine on a SuperFlow dyno
>before I place it back in the Cutlass.  I'll keep ya'll updated on this.
>
>Another thing that you may want to consider is where in the RPM range
torque
>is kicking in.  With your friend's Chevy, the torque peak is at a higher
RPM
>(probably around 4000-4500), whereas your Olds generates its peak torque
>between 2500-3500 (give or take - depends on the cam and intake/exhaust
>tuning).  This (not to mention weight and aero differences) also affects
how
>your car compares with your friends truck.
>
>Hope this was helpful!
>John Ramsey
>'69 Cutlass 'S' 455
>
>
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:08:29 -0700
>From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: 360HP 455
>
>Igor -
>
>I sounds like you are above 300, if not I would not know why.  Your specs
>are close to 442 specs and they were rated around 360-375.
>
>Corey D
>dayc@ix.netcom.com
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:40 PM
>Subject: 360HP 455
>
>
>>Some of you know the specs on my 455, but for those who don't here it is:
>>
>>'76 block. .030 10.1CR pistons(TRW), .10/.20 under crank, all new
berrings,
>>oil pump, etc.(full rebuild).  The cam is Speed Pro 272/280 AD, .448/.472
>>lift.  The heads are J-s/ported and polished.  Intake is stock egr block
>>off(but I have a non-egr one to put in).  Carb is 750cfm Q-jet of a '70
>442,
>>all emissions controls are gone.  It breaths through stock manifolds and
>>dual 2.5" front pipes, balancer tube, Dynomax super turbo 2.25"mufflers
and
>>tailpipes. 2500stall converter, shift kit, 3.23s posi.
>>
>>Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
>>(excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
>>327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
>>What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then
>I
>>must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
>>"how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
>>dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know
>what
>>they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
>>even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid
off
>>lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.
>>
>>Igor Todorovic
>>
>>1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
>>1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
>>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:04:05 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, there is a spring in it.  We are talking about 2800-3000RPM, so it is
fairly high but still.  My old Dodge van with 360 and 4.10s will turn about
3500 at 60 and 4000 at 70.  No matter what, the temp gauge is always the
same and stays cool.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>At 06:49 PM 9/15/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>Ray,
>>I know how you feel.  With my 455 (this was all at about 500 miles on the
>>engine but still) and 180deg. thermostat (factory recomended 190) it will
>>run all day in the city at about 190 degrees.  BUT, as soon as you hit 55
>>mph and faster the temp would climb slow and steady.  After 45 mins on
>>freeway, I finally shut it down when the temp gage was reading 230.
>
>does your lower rad hose have a spring in it? I've seen this
>cause high RPM overheating. Without the spring, the lower hose can
>collapse.
>

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:05:36 EDT
From: W31Sleeper@aol.com
Subject: Re: parts for sale/ 70 dual gate/sport mirrors

400$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!my 2cents.........
sleeper/Rob

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:17:09 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: raidator swap

In a message dated 98-09-15 22:10:12 EDT, you write:

<< Will a radiator from a 77-79 Custom Cruiser wagon with 403 and towing
 package fit in an 87 Cutlass easily and properly?
 And i need to get a radiator with a/c condensor, right?  I have a/c.

 Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass        >>

Doesn't look like anything is an exchange after 79,except cadillacs with the
307. Dorian

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:29:19 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray,
 It could be that a larger, or 4 row radiator will
help. Also, you might want to retime the motor. I believe
that too much advance will also cause a motor to run
hotter than you'd expect. My 307 with too much adv. will
run hot like yours. Hope this helps.

Kevin White
83 CSB, FE3X clone
86 CS

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:03:10 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

This is all I have on the cam.  272/280 AD, .448/.472lift, 107/117LC.  Is
the thing quoting you on stock exaust manifolds AND stock exaust setup or
just on stock manifold AND dual exaust like I have.  Other then the
manifolds, my stock exaust is half-decent and NOTHING like stock at all.  I
would love to run headers.  Tried with a couple of sets and failed because
the BB were not ment to go into '81 Deltas.  All BB headers are almost
imposible to fit it.  Small block headers can fit in with lots of work, but
they are too short and their collerctor hits the tranny shift linkage, etc.
Not to mention no starter as well with those.  However, if you know of any
that would fit (short of big Hookers which I can't afford) please tell me.
You say '62 is still for sale and so are the big C heads.  What '62 and what
heads.  If they are yours, tell me the price I might be interested.  My
e-mail is igor455@home.com .  Igor.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>Igor, I need the full cam spec card if you have it. If not, I did plug it
in and
>I get anywhere from 280-420 depending on the cam specs and using stock
versus
>headers . In all my calculations for friends and myself headers seem to be
the
>biggest performance gain overall. i strongly suggest getting a set.
>
>Ben
>62 is STILL for sale and...
>set of C heads from a 68 400. inquire if interested in either.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 05:56:20 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: 71 Cutlass ragtop

I'm looking for that piece.  It is the rocking switch in the dash.  Does
someone have one to spare?  Thanks. For a '71 Cutlass convertable.

Andreas

ahennecke@sprintmail.com

Please respond in private



"If music be the food of love..............
            PLAY ON....."

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:56:07 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Gone 'Til Saturday...........

Fellow Oldsmobile Fans:

I'm going to be off the list until Saturday morning, we're off to the SCCA
Solo II Nationals.  I'll be driving a non-Olds this time, but one of these
days I'll have this 72 442 lookalike (really a Cutlass S, but only you
knowledgeable folks would know) done and get to run some serious Rocket power
around the course.  I'll let you know how it goes.

If anyone needs to get a hold of me, e-mail me privately and I'll respond as
soon as I return.

We will have some Olds spirit along with us -- we named our Golden Retriever
"Snyder's Golden Rocket".  Just like the race cars, he's got a lot of get-up-
and-go when he wants to. :-)

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:17:41 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: .

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:03:02 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My 442 use to heat up but had the 4 core radiator re-cored with
"MAXI" core, double the fins. Put in a 160 degree "HI PERFORMANCE"
thermostat purchased at Pep Boys, forgot who the manufacturer
was but just ask the desk for that one, it is more wide open and
does not restrict the water flow as others do. Also have two
electric fans I can turn on and off but seldom use them, she runs
nice and cool even at 100 plus at the drag strip.
Ron Haun
Orchard Park, NY

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:09:02 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: alternator or Battery

It was a limited (collectors) addition Oldsmobile Cavalier,  Didn't you hear
about it?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
20 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	krzy4evr@usit.net [SMTP:krzy4evr@usit.net]
	Sent:	Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:57 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: alternator or Battery

	I didn't realize that Olds made a Cavalier in 1994..!! Or for that
	matter....EVER...!!!

	>> My 94 Cavalier has a problem and I cant figure out what
	>> it is.  There is a humming sound coming from the alternator.
	>> The car want start after It runs for a while. I tried to test
	>> the alternator by disconnecting the battery and the car shuts
	>> off.


	

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:09:49 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 70-72 Master cylinders

I would be interested to hear from other List members who own a 1970 with
manual disc brakes.  What type of master cylinder is on your car?  The
original style disc cylinder features a large front and a small rear
reservoir.  Whereas the drum style cylinder originally had equal front and
rear size reservoirs.

Greg Rollin
______________

Greg,

My 70 W-30 has the disc-style M/C, however it had been replaced prior to my
buying it with an incorrect single bale M/C.  Note that the threaded flare
nut fittings on the brake lines going into the M/C are different sizes for
drum and disc brakes, specifically to prevent installation of the wrong
part on the assembly line.  I have to assume that since my car currently
has a disc M/C, and these lines and fittings haven't been changed, that it
originally had a disc M/C.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:22:16 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re:valve covers

Have one set of cast aluminum Oldsmobile valve covers
for sale, $200 firm plus shipping.

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:41:35 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 442 Convertible; rrealworld@aol.com

I sent some e-mails and he responded, also called once.  I was going to look
at the car when I was back home on vacation, but didn't get the time.  Seemed
like a pretty nice 442 and I am not sure why the price is dropping so much.
Can't hurt to ask him why the price keeps dropping.  Must just need the $.
Good luck
David OCA #30416
70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:56:29 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Steering Box...less Boat-like

In a message dated 9/16/98
 2:<BR59:<BR37 AM Central Daylight Tim, cfair@FairIsaac.com writes:

> Get yourself to Lee Manufacturing in Sun Valley
>  CA. It should be the 818 area code. I've loved
>  the steering in my 98 since they did it and the
>  pump 10 years ago.


Is this a problem that could be solved by a Heidt's adjustable power steering
valve? Heidt's 800 8441 8188

Cheers/Carron
no connection, etc.......

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:02:40 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale

Tom, Will keep my eyes out have found a few 68's indecent shape but would have
to re-drill the hood hindge holes. I've got a cutlass drivers fender on my 69
442. My wife is from CT and I spent three years there recruiting in New Haven
so I know what you are talking about. Thanks Chris

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:57:48 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass ragtop

I have a spare conv. top switch

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


- ----------
> From: krzy4evr@usit.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 71 Cutlass ragtop
> Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 1:56 AM
>
> I'm looking for that piece.  It is the rocking switch in the dash.  Does
> someone have one to spare?  Thanks. For a '71 Cutlass convertable.
>
> Andreas
>
> ahennecke@sprintmail.com
>
> Please respond in private
>
>
>
> "If music be the food of love..............
>             PLAY ON....."

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:07:12 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 200-R4 vs. 200-4R

Message text written by Gary
>Is that listed as a 200-R4?<

No, it is a 200-4R.  Why this tranny is designated differently than other
trannys like the 700-R4 is beyond me.  It is the first 4 speed w/overdrive
tranny for GM to make in recent history (older 4 speeds don't count - not
overdrive 4th gear)

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:58:41 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!

> For all, received this morning.

Let's stop forwarding moronic urban legends to a mailing list
devoted to Olds issues, please.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:17:46 -0600
From: Arnold Alvin TSgt <ARNOLDA@SCHRIEVER.af.mil>
Subject: RE: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

  I'm into Buick's!  I own an '84 Buick Grand National which is quite rare
considering only 2,000 were made and possibly maybe less than 500 remain in
existance today.  The '84-'85 GN's and T-Types are the best buy out there
right now and they can be converted to intercooled condition for cheap!  I'm
looking for a Lightning Rod Shifter if you guys can help me out...  If your
looking for parts interchangeability go to the Turbo TRader or to
http://www.inergy.com/IRACEIT my website and I have a link to the Turbo
Buick GN/TType webpage which has another link to the Turbo TRader.  Another
place to look is http://www.turbobuick.com if you desire parts, or a turbo
car.

  I'm also into Olds and am looking for an early 70 Hurst Olds as an
acquisition in the future.

Louie Arnold
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	rocket409@juno.com [SMTP:rocket409@juno.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, September 15, 1998 3:43 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
>
>
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA
>
> O The car is
> >identical to an
> >86 grand National- black and every thing. Any body out there with a
> >freind
> >into Buicks. This car is nice.
> Damn right it's beautiful!  They're actually not identical to a GN, less
> black.  They're also faster because of lighter bumpers and wheels
> (theoritecally).
> The first non-Olds I get will very likely be an 87 GN or a grey 87
> T-type,  then when I'm rich, I'll get a GNX, yeah....
>
>
>  Will anything fit into my 84 H/O if
> >something
> >fails in the future?  Expect everything to fit perfectly.  I'd like to
> get a 3.8 litre Cutlass and build a T-type Cutlass.   Maybe you should
> just drop in the whole t-type drivetrain...
> >Thanks
> >Dennis(15 Olds' and maybe a Buick in the future)
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:46:27 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

Arnold Alvin TSgt wrote:
>
>
>   I'm also into Olds and am looking for an early 70 Hurst Olds as an
> acquisition in the future.

You'll be looking for quite a while, then. The H/O's you're talking
about were made in '68, '69, and '72.

- --
*************
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:52:08 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Master cylinders

Greg,

Both of the w-31 cars that Jim Stohlman has had recently have had the
drum master on them. I have a picture of a w-31 car that also has the
drum master. Ray Moriarty's '70 w-30 also has the drum unit as well.



Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:53:00 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: info

Have one set of new in the box cast aluminum valve covers
with Oldsmobile script on them, GM part no. 22525295
purchased from GM Performance Parts Catalog.
$200 firm plus shipping.
Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com
OCA#010171
71 442 W30 Convert.

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:57:27 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: Master Cylinder Talk

> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:14:09 -0700
> From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
> Subject: 70-72 Master cylinders

> There was some discussion earlier regarding the differences between
the
> 1970-1972 master cylinders.  Hopefully the following info will help:

> 1970 Power disc. All models (1st design. Dual bail) 1.125" bore.
> 1970 Power disc. All models (2nd design. Single bail) 1.125" bore.
> 1970 Manual disc (including W-30) dual bail. 1" bore.
> 1970-1972 Power or manual drums.  Single bail. 1" bore.
> 1971-1972 Power disc. (incl. W-30). 1.125" bore. (Same as '70 2nd
type).

> 1971-1972 Manual disc (W-30). Dual bail. 1" bore.

Greg,
	Thanx for the great info, what exactly is a 'Single Bail' &
'Dual Bail' MC.  I have never heard of that terminology before.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:07:50 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: 3800 performance mods / New Pontiac

> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:07:50 -0400
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> Subje: Re: 3800 performance mods?

> Just got a 92 88 for my wife, it's a dog. Any performance mods
available?
> Anybody ever tried it?
________

> Sure, just get a 250 HP supercharged 3800 out of a new Buick/Pontiac.

Joe,
	I just drove a 98 Pontiac GP this weekend with the Supercharged
3.8.  This is quite the machine!  The thing had lots of power.  It
wouldn't break the tire loose power breaking but would as soon as the
brake pedal was released.  The acceleration from a dead stop was good,
but I was more impressed with the passing power.  I was doing 55, and
then floored it to pass a car, and I was instantly at 80.  This car has
a lot of guts.  The car also had a "Heads Up display".  This displayed
the speed, and radio station frequency on the windshield.  It was a
pretty nice feature.  You can adjust the brightness and height of the
display too.

Sorry no Olds content here, but I am a B.O.P. fan!

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:50:54 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Box...less Boat-like

Hello again,

> Get yourself to Lee Manufacturing in Sun Valley, CA.

Thanks for the tip, but it is a bit far to drive to get this done.
I am in Austin, Texas.

Actually, what I was interested was replacing my steering box with one
with a quicker steering ratio.  I hope I am using the right terminology.
I am having the front end done and I also plan to get new shocks and
tires as well.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:25:40 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1972 Cutlass Supreme parts

HAY GREG JEFF IN ATL>>>WHAT DID YOU DECIEDE ON THE BUMPER AND

GRAVEL SHIELD>>>JEFF ATL<GA

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:31:52 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder Talk

Reed, Steve wrote:

> Greg,
>         Thanx for the great info, what exactly is a 'Single Bail' &
> 'Dual Bail' MC.  I have never heard of that terminology before.


Steve,
The bail is the strap(s) that hold the cover on the master cylinder.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:54:47 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: car prob?? was Re: Kane County, IL show & swap & car prob??

In a message dated 9/15/98 9:14:23 AM EST, KarlAune@aol.com writes:

<< So Karl used old ones!

 So, what the modern Q-Jetters need is to coat the fuel bowl with something
 inert to gasoline?

 I saw cans of "plasti-cote" spray paint at an Ace Hardware.
 How about that? >>

Can't do that Karl.  The crap in the float bowl (if it doesn't come from the
gas tank itself) is from fuel evaporating inthe bowl itself.  It has nothing
to do with the gas somehow "mixing" or interacting with the material inside
the float bowl.  And the "plasti-cote" will do the same as Jason's paint job,
but now since it is actually in the float bowl, the results will most likely
be worse.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:12:24 -0500
From: "Gloria Wearden" <wearden@tenet.edu>
Subject: Olds F-85

I am looking for the headlight/grille for a '67 F-85. If you know where
I could find one, let me hear from ya!!!

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:35:50 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: (no subject) Antenna help.

Is this for power antenna?

Teardrop, oval, or round if manual?

There is always an ad in JWO or Hemmings with someone who provides these.

The teardrop manual that I need for my car runs about $40.

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:35:38 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Carb crap getting needle & seat. was Car prob?? and ...

In a message dated 98-09-16 13:00:06 EDT, you write:

<< I saw cans of "plasti-cote" spray paint at an Ace Hardware.
  How about that? >>

<<<< Can't do that Karl. >>>>

DOH!!!

<<<< The crap in the float bowl (if it doesn't come from the gas tank itself)
is from fuel evaporating in the bowl itself. >>>>

A gander at my gas filter tells me "uh-uh" to tank crumbs.
Although SOM now vulnerable to bits generated in fuel pump.

So the carb bowl gunk (no, not the trademarked solvent manufacturer) is fuel
additives that fuel evaporated away from?

<<<< It has nothing to do with the gas somehow "mixing" or interacting with
the material inside the float bowl.  And the "plasti-cote" will do the same as
Jason's paint job, but now since it is actually in the float bowl, the results
will most likely
be worse. >>>>

Well, I understand why coating the bowl (no, Karl not paint power piston or
jets!) will not guard against debris from gunk that is precipitated fuel
additives (although a coating of [Drat! what IS the name of that plastic that
is inert to just about everything and used to make laboratory-ware??] would
make a poor surface for adhesion or crystallization and thus facilitate the
removal of such particles before aggregation, but I digress), but I was
suggesting a bowl coating to guard against the flaking off of pot metal as JP
suggested in response to the initial post.

How likely is it that problematic debris will stay in the fuel bowl and not
flow out? Would same clog venturii??


SOM
&KA

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:47:07 -0500
From: "Kijowski, Stan" <SKIJOWSKI@midland.com>
Subject: RE: Steering Box...less Boat-like

  <<...>>

give them a call . i had this done and am very pleased with the results
> ----------
> From: 	Chris Rivier[SMTP:crivier@hotmail.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Wednesday, September 16, 1998 10:50 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Steering Box...less Boat-like
>
> Hello again,
>
> > Get yourself to Lee Manufacturing in Sun Valley, CA.
>
> Thanks for the tip, but it is a bit far to drive to get this done.
> I am in Austin, Texas.
>
> Actually, what I was interested was replacing my steering box with one
> with a quicker steering ratio.  I hope I am using the right terminology.
> I am having the front end done and I also plan to get new shocks and
> tires as well.
>
> TIA,
>
> Chris Rivier
> '66 Delta 88...The BEAST
> '88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:23:19 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating

Did that 403 ever run cool with the stock radiator?  You're right, a 403
may be too much for the stock radiator if it's a 2-row.  The g-body's
came with either 2-row or 3-row cores.  You may need to upgrade to a
3-row.  If you have a 3-row already, your only option is a custom 4-row,
or ask your radiator shop about getting a high-efficiency 3-row core put
in (a good option to check out if you have to buy a 3-row anyways).

Some other things you might want to check:

- -- Fan shroud should be there
- -- air diverters on the bumper supports should be there
- -- Air dam underneath radiator still there and in good shape
- -- That your thermostatic air cleaner (thermac) is working correctly and
opening the flapper when your engine is warm.  Otherwise you suck in hot
air.

Also, have you tried it WITH the thermostat?  If not, you might try
putting it back in.  I don't want to take one side of the fence or the
other and start that bandwidth wasting argument again, but it's been
said that a t-stat can help you run cooler because it slows down the
water.  Try a 160 or 180 degree high-flow t-stat.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:55:39 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: raidator swap

> Will a radiator from a 77-79 Custom Cruiser wagon with 403
> and towing package fit in an 87 Cutlass easily and properly?

I kind of doubt it. But '87 Cutlass radiators are plentiful;
just shop around until you find a cheap one.

> And i need to get a radiator with a/c condensor, right?
> I have a/c.

No, the condensor goes in front of the radiator... looks just
like another radiator, at a glance. But you need to tell the
supplier that you do have A/C, in case non-A/C cars use a
smaller radiator with different mounting supports or something
like that. You can replace the radiator without touching the
condensor in front of it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:58:06 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Pinstripe Question

Joe and Tony,
Stripes must have been an option,  my 67 442 is still factory, white
w/black vinyl top. No stripes, top ends at roofline. Daddy bought it new
and if pinstripes cost more he wouldn't have spent the money. They forced
him to take a radio, maybe it was standard equip.

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Pinstripe Question
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:44 PM
>
> -----Hey guys;
>             Did the 442's(or any olds) come from the factory with any
> pinstripes?My car is a 67 442 Holiday white with black vynil top and
> int.The
> picture on the model has one, but I wanted to know if olds put it
there,or
> if the dealer added it on.
>           Thanks  Tony
> PS did the vynil top stop at the roof rail or did it go down the
windshield
> post?
> ______________
>
> Hi, Tony.
>
> Option Y70 GT Paint Stripe is what I think you are looking for.  This was
a
> dual pinstripe that started at the front bumper and followed the peak of
> the fender and door, ending on the rear quarter just beind the door.  Not
> sure about the vinyl top, however.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:08:40 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!

You wrote:
- ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!
> Date: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 8:58 AM
>
> > For all, received this morning.
>
> Let's stop forwarding moronic urban legends to a mailing list
> devoted to Olds issues, please.
>
> -- Andy
Who's to know if their real, trying to save someone grief, sorry it
offended you.
Lou

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