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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 3 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1463



Re: A word on Just Dashes
Interior parts
Tire Wear Q - 1965
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965
Re: Question about cars built in California
Re: A word on Just Dashes
Re: Idiot lights - troubleshooting
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
Re: dimensions
cheaper olds books!
Re: My City
Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965
Re: Salem Car Show
Re: DON'T SPEED (and Salem show)
FW: My City
gearing
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
Fuel pump blockoff?
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
RE: Interior parts
Re: Fuel pump blockoff?
1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)
Re: Fuel pump blockoff?
RE: A word on Just Dashes
Re: Interior parts
Re: Interior parts
68 parts needed
ISP suggestion
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
Underhood fiberglass mat
Re: 1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)
Re: 1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)
Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~ and Autocrossing
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
Re: Fan Clutch Thread
Re: Chrome valve stem caps
Re:  '87 442 - Low reading on voltmeter guage?
Re: Greatlakes speedway
Re: Fuel pump blockoff?
Re: Interior parts
G-body Dual Snorkel aircleaner f/s
Re: dimensions
Re: dimensions
Re: Quadrajet Linkage
Re: dumb question
Re: Underhood fiberglass mat
Re: Fan Clutch Thread
Re: Idiot lights - troubleshooting
Re: City Fathers - long
OIL PRESSURE GAGE
Re: OIL PRESSURE GAGE
Re: Underhood fiberglass mat
Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:01:27 -0500
From: brain@mail.jbrain.com (Jim Brain)
Subject: Re: A word on Just Dashes

Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com> wrote:

OK, this piques my interest:

I have a dark brown dash in my "new" 84.  Is this a place I can send it to to
make it light brown to match the rest of my interior?

Jim

>All,
>You've probably heard me opine on their work before.
>They recover old cracked dashes perfectly. But for
>66 Big Olds dashes, this costs $450 these days and
>takes about 6 weeks. I think the quality worth the cost,
>but that's a personal thing.
>
>Anyway, since we've decided (me & girlfriend) to do the
>Starfire interior in Parchment, not red, the dash needs
>to be recovered in Black.
>
>So I'm thinking, ouch, another $450. But no. Turns out
>they cover all their dashes in black vinyl, then color match
>the vinyl skin. So for $80 and 5-8 days they will recolor my
>dash in Black.
>
>Cool no? I would work with these guys anytime.
>
>usual non-affiliation stuff applies.
>
>cf
>

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to send my wife and our new son home to be with my wife's parents to
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to help her significantly.  In time, she is expected to make a full recovery.

So, work on rebuilding the web site that was being moved to a new site when
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and I am not reading email as often as I am used to.

So, please accept my apologies.  I will get things back to normal as soon as
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Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, Old CBM computers, and Good Times!      -Me-
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:27:25 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: Interior parts

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  Interior parts

   Rear deck lid, interior parts?  Do you mean package tray, or do you
    mean exterior parts?
   Trivia, sort of-->  the back deck in front of the rear window of a
   car (where the speakers would hang from) is called a package tray.
    Kind of a strange name since it is technically illegal to put a pa
   ckage on that tray and obstruct your vision.














































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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:34:36 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Tire Wear Q - 1965

OK

Short n Sweet.

Last year - excessive inner tire wear on both fronts.
Inboard inch or so was bald.

Aligned - they said it was a Toe Out problem.
Okay....

Right Now; excessive inner tire wear!
Just like last year!
Not got aligned 'cause mechs dint wanna align when p225r15 rear and p205r14
front!

My chassis manual says that this wear is a Camber problem!

Would this be altered by fact Karl uses Radials and not Bias-ply??

Or do they not wanna bother shimming A-arm??

Thanks much!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:55:20 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

This does sound like a camber problem, but it could also be a toe out
problem.  If your tires are pointed outboard, the inboard edges would be
"dragging" and causing wear.  Or, it might be a combination of the two.  I'd
see if they would just go ahead and align the front toe to specs and see if
the wear stops.  If you can't tell, get a set of cheap radial tires (same
size obviously) and see if it helped.  If your front tires are so bad that
they need replacing anyway, make sure you go to a tire shop that will align
the fronts for you.  Besides, many cars have differing tire widths between
the fronts and rears, so shouldn't it not be a real big deal anyway?

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:35 AM
Subject: Tire Wear Q - 1965

>Last year - excessive inner tire wear on both fronts.
>Inboard inch or so was bald.


[ snip ]

>Right Now; excessive inner tire wear!
>Just like last year!
>Not got aligned 'cause mechs dint wanna align when p225r15 rear and p205r14
>front!
>
>My chassis manual says that this wear is a Camber problem!

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:54:58 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Question about cars built in California

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I would look at the Carb number, of course it may not be original but =
the Quadrajets had a specific number for California only cars.  This =
could at least tell you if it was originally sold in CA.

Steven
70 442 convertible being W-30-ized

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:22:59 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A word on Just Dashes

> I have a dark brown dash in my "new" 84.  Is this a place I can
> send it to to make it light brown to match the rest of my interior?

They are (of course) on the web, so you could try emailing them
to ask: http://www.justdashes.com

Their email address is justdashes@aol.com

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:18 -0400
From: "VBDeveloper" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights - troubleshooting

Check the lamp sockets in the dashboard. I had the same problem, until I
pulled the dash and discovered that the sockets were loose. Hope this
helps.
	Allan

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> From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
> To: Olds Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Idiot lights - troubleshooting
> Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 10:46 PM
>
> I had some work done to my 68 and now the oil and temp idiot lights do
> not come on when the car is started.  However, the Generator light does.
> I am wondering how they work.  My guess is that the sensors in the
> engine close and make a ground to the engine block.  If this is true,
> can't I unplug the wires from the sensors and ground them to make them
> come on when I turn the key?
> --
> Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
> Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible
>

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:33:04 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

Get a dog.

Yummmmm! :]~



Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:39:54 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: dimensions

Well it's bigger than a Honda Prelude, and faster too.

later,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:04:03 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: cheaper olds books!

i want to the motorbooks.com and found a bunch of nice books then i want to
barnesandnoble@aol.com and searched for oldsmobiles and found the same books
only they were about 5-$10 cheaper and the one that i ordered was the cars of
oldsmobile motorbooks has it for $35 and i got it from them for $24 so go
there if you want to buy the book a little cheaper      my 2 cent   Rich

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:33:34 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: My City

Oh...  NO!!!  Not another classic car person held down by the MAN!!!  FIGHT
REPRESSION!!!  END OPPRESSION!!!  DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!!!

Oh...  Ummm...  uhhh...  heh heh... sorry Chris...  heh heh

Seriously tho, I have been thinking about this.  I wondered the other day
what would happen if someone hit my precious Toro...  I know she isnt show
worth yet...  but to me she is priceless...  I have been coming up wiht ways
to convince an unsympathetic (read one with no appreciation for classics)
that my lawsuit is not just cause I wn money.  but thankfully, I have not
had to do this, but I am so afraid someone WILL hit me, and i will have to
fight for my cars life.

And believe me, I will!
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#12362327
                    http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
    bladernr@roava.net               EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer  | EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.   | United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- ----------------------------------Carpe
Noctum------------------------------------
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: My City


>Hi everybody,
>
>Well my city is at it again.  Bugging me about Scarlet.  Had to show proof
of
>insurance and registration
>to my local Police Relations yahoo.  Also had to drive Scarlet around the
>neighborhood to show that it
>can move under its own power.  I did find out which neighbor was causing
the
>problem.  Had to set
>her straight.  I learned that she belongs to the city beautification
>committee.  Wouldn't you know!
>
>I am a bit peeved since I don't bug my neighbors even with all of their
>violations.  I told this neighbor
>that if she had a problem, she could have come to me instead of bringing
city
>officials in on this.  I guess
>I'll have to call some violations on her.
>
>What was even worse is that the yahoo has never owned a classic car and is
>imposing his subjective
>opinions about what my car is or is not.   I told him that beauty is in the
eye
>of the beholder.  I get
>asked regularly if I am going to selling Scarlet and people drool over it,
even
>in its unrestored condition.
>Talking with him was like talking to a wall.  I think this car may have
been
>purchased originally by
>someone famous.  I am going to have to get records from DMV to prove this.
>
>Oh well.  Off soapbox.
>
>--
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 SC - Frosty
>68 442 HT - Scarlet
>68 442 HT - Saffron
>82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
>http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
>
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:04:33 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~

Hmmm  I agree Jason...  Being in EMS has let me see many things...  and
living here in Roanoke all my life has let me see many others...  Mainly I
just love how people come here from out of town (or out of state) and assume
that because they can drive stupidly at home they can do so here.  I have
worked many wrecks where the driver (usually an out of state college
student) was driving too fst for the road, AND for his/her abilities.

But then again, stupid people keep me in business.  When you guys gonna do
that again???  Aside from the stupies wreckin their cars on the BBurg road,
it sounds like a lot of fun.
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#12362327
                    http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
    bladernr@roava.net               EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer  | EMT-ST/Driver
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.   | United Ambulance Service
Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- ----------------------------------Carpe
Noctum------------------------------------
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~


><soapbox=on>
>
>Very well put, Charley.  I was on a "drive" with the Virginia Tech car club
>last year and by "drive", I thought they were referring more to a cruise
>than a WOT blast around the backroads of Montgomery and Roanoke Counties.
I
>was last in line and never saw the rear ends of the cars, not because I
>*couldn't* but because I *wouldn't*.  When I did finally catch up to two of

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:04:45 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

In a message dated 98-09-02 11:35:35 EDT, you write:

<< Right Now; excessive inner tire wear!
 Just like last year!
 Not got aligned 'cause mechs dint wanna align when p225r15 rear and p205r14
 front!
  >>

I had a similar problem with excessice outer tire wear. Replaced the drag link
which solved the problem,

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:40:31 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show

Hey guys...  sorry it took so long to write...  it is prolly best to get
here around 6 pm or so, then you have time to eat and look around before the
cars start showing up...  I am planning to be there this saturday, in the ol
Toro...  though I am not shoing her cause she is rough, and kinda worn...
but one day I will... heh heh
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andersons <robertan@cfw.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Salem Car Show


>Count me in, too.  I think I have my wife talked in to cruising the 75
miles
>to have some chow and check out the cars.  Next Saturday, if the weather is
>nice (gotta have the top down!).  About what time is best to arrive?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 6:34 PM
>Subject: Re: Salem Car Show
>
>
>>Hey all, I am glad you had a good time.  I wish I could ahve been
>>there.  But I had to work, ys know?  gotta make money tyo sink into the
>>Toro...  but I am off the next three Saturdays, so if you want to do it
>>again, let me know.  I would like to meet you guys, and throw another
>>Olds to the mix...
>>--
>>><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
>>
>>Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST ICQ#12362327 http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
>> bladernr@roava.net EMTBoy9@aol.com
>>
>>
>>Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer | EMT-ST/Driver
>>Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc. | United Ambulance Service
>>Salem, Virginia | Roanoke, Virginia
>>
>>"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
>>you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
>>
>>-----------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------
>>
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:32:55 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: DON'T SPEED (and Salem show)

Watch out, SW VA locals.  They're back on the road!  I got an e-mail
indicating that they're at it again this evening (the VA Tech car club).  It
seems that they've changed their language use, too.  It's now called a
"cruise".  I still pass.  :-)  Ragging your car on roads almost skinny
enough for a bike path isn't exactly MY idea of fun.  That car show this
weekend is, though!  I haven't seen anythin' on the list about it yet, so
here goes:

For all those planning to attend the Fast Freddies show in Salem, VA, I
guess we'll meet the same place we did last time, at the Shell station in
Salem.  From I-81, take exit 137 (Rt. 112) east.  The Shell station is about
1/10th mile on the right.  Let's meet there around 5:30 on Saturday evening?
Fast Freddies isn't much more than a mile or a mile an' a half from there,
so we should be able to get there by 6pm and stake out a small Olds area...
Those going, please e-mail me (rocketolds@vt.edu) and I'll send out a
private e-mail later on in the week.  So far, I think the weather will
cooperate, but if the situation changes, I'll let the folks who e-signed-up
know if it might be cancelled.  Again, this is very impromptu, so no one
really knows for sure unless they physically go there.

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Gage <bladernr@roava.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~


>Hmmm  I agree Jason...  Being in EMS has let me see many things...  and
>living here in Roanoke all my life has let me see many others...  Mainly I
>just love how people come here from out of town (or out of state) and
assume
>that because they can drive stupidly at home they can do so here.  I have
>worked many wrecks where the driver (usually an out of state college
>student) was driving too fst for the road, AND for his/her abilities.
>
>But then again, stupid people keep me in business.  When you guys gonna do
>that again???  Aside from the stupies wreckin their cars on the BBurg road,
>it sounds like a lot of fun.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:33:00 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: FW: My City

======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
17 Wins 13 Losses
======================


- -----Original Message-----
From:	Chelberg, Donald [SMTP:dchelberg@kpmg.com]
<mailto:[SMTP:dchelberg@kpmg.com]>
Sent:	Wednesday, September 02, 1998 1:00 PM
To:	Johnson, Sam
Subject:	RE: My City

Sounds like you boys are being bothered by "The Man" who is just coming up
with a long list of lies to keep a brother down!  Keep Drivin' Homies!
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From:	Johnson, Sam [SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]
<mailto:[SMTP:SAJOHNSON@usds.com]>
	> Sent:	September 2, 1998 1:48 PM
	> To:	'Don Chelberg'
	> Subject:	FW: My City
	>
	> Does this sound familiar
	>
	>
	> ======================
	> Sam E. Johnson, JR.
		> >  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net
<mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> > Cutlass403@ameritech.net
<mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net>
		> >1971 Cutlass S 455
		> >Westside! Chitown IL
	> 17 Wins 13 Losses
	> ======================
	>
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From:	Johnny Gage [SMTP:bladernr@roava.net]
<mailto:[SMTP:bladernr@roava.net]>
	> <mailto:[SMTP:bladernr@roava.net]
<mailto:[SMTP:bladernr@roava.net]> >
	> Sent:	Wednesday, September 02, 1998 12:34 PM
	> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <
mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
<mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> >
	> Subject:	Re: My City
	>
	> Oh...  NO!!!  Not another classic car person held down by the
MAN!!!
	> FIGHT
	> REPRESSION!!!  END OPPRESSION!!!  DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!!!
	> Oh...  Ummm...  uhhh...  heh heh... sorry Chris...  heh heh
	> Seriously tho, I have been thinking about this.  I wondered the
other day
	> what would happen if someone hit my precious Toro...  I know she
isnt show
	> worth yet...  but to me she is priceless...  I have been coming up
wiht
	> ways
	> to convince an unsympathetic (read one with no appreciation for
classics)
	> that my lawsuit is not just cause I wn money.  but thankfully, I
have not
	> had to do this, but I am so afraid someone WILL hit me, and i will
have to
	> fight for my cars life.
	> And believe me, I will!
		> 	><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
	>
	> Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#12362327
	> 		http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
<http://www.roava.net/~bladernr>
	> <http://www.roava.net/~bladernr <http://www.roava.net/~bladernr> >

	> 		bladernr@roava.net <mailto:bladernr@roava.net>
<mailto:bladernr@roava.net <mailto:bladernr@roava.net> >
	> EMTBoy9@aol.com <mailto:EMTBoy9@aol.com>  <mailto:EMTBoy9@aol.com
<mailto:EMTBoy9@aol.com> >
	> Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer  | EMT-ST/Driver
	> Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.   | United Ambulance Service
	> Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia
	> "Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin,
so if
	> you
	> seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
	> ----------------------------------Carpe
	> Noctum------------------------------------
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From:	Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net
	> <mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net <mailto:mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> >
	> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <
mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
<mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> >
	> <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<mailto:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> > >
	> Date:	Tuesday, September 01, 1998 11:53 AM
	> Subject:	Re: My City
	>
	>
		> 	>Hi everybody,
		> 	>
		> 	>Well my city is at it again.  Bugging me about
Scarlet.  Had to
	> show proof
	> of
		> 	>insurance and registration
		> 	>to my local Police Relations yahoo.  Also had to
drive Scarlet
	> around the
		> 	>neighborhood to show that it
		> 	>can move under its own power.  I did find out which
neighbor was
	> causing
	> the
		> 	>problem.  Had to set
		> 	>her straight.  I learned that she belongs to the
city
	> beautification
		> 	>committee.  Wouldn't you know!
		> 	>
		> 	>I am a bit peeved since I don't bug my neighbors
even with all of
	> their
		> 	>violations.  I told this neighbor
		> 	>that if she had a problem, she could have come to
me instead of
	> bringing
	> city
		> 	>officials in on this.  I guess
		> 	>I'll have to call some violations on her.
		> 	>
		> 	>What was even worse is that the yahoo has never
owned a classic car
	> and is
		> 	>imposing his subjective
		> 	>opinions about what my car is or is not.   I told
him that beauty
	> is in the
	> eye
		> 	>of the beholder.  I get
		> 	>asked regularly if I am going to selling Scarlet
and people drool
	> over it,
	> even
		> 	>in its unrestored condition.
		> 	>Talking with him was like talking to a wall.  I
think this car may
	> have
	> been
		> 	>purchased originally by
		> 	>someone famous.  I am going to have to get records
from DMV to
	> prove this.
		> 	>
		> 	>Oh well.  Off soapbox.
		> 	>
		> 	>--
		> 	>Chris Sparks
		> 	>68 442 SC - Frosty
		> 	>68 442 HT - Scarlet
		> 	>68 442 HT - Saffron
		> 	>82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
		> 	>http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada
		> 	>
		> 	>

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:04:00
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: gearing

Hi

Anybody know what the gear ratio are on the cutlass
calais 1981 (V8 diesel w. autom.) ?

Tanks

Chris RL



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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:10:25 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

My chassis manual says that this wear is a Camber problem!
__________

Depends.  If it's a smooth, constant wear, it's likely camber misalignment.
If the tread blocks on the edge of the tread are unevenly worn (leading
edge higher than trailing edge, for example), it could be toe misalignment.

===============

Would this be altered by fact Karl uses Radials and not Bias-ply??
__________

Not likely, though people have tried to use this as an excuse.

===============

Or do they not wanna bother shimming A-arm??
__________

DING!  Tell the man what he's won, Johnny...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:21:41 EDT
From: Supafli50@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

I've had that same problem.  Like you said "money isn't the problem" but its
the way the car looks when they arent on it.  I've just had to leave the black
plastic ones on.  Chrome goes on for shows but thats it.
Matt
88 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:26:21 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: Fuel pump blockoff?

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  Fuel pump blockoff?

   When I someday remove my mechanical fuel pump and put in an electri
   c (not a Holley]), I'll need to block off the opening where the mec
   hanical one was.  I heard once that when removing the fuel pump, on
   e must be careful to not "let the cam pin fall out when removing th
   e fuel pump eccentric".  What the?
    I've replaced a few fuel pumps in Olds engines, and nothing ever f
   ell out.  Is the fuel pump eccentric just the name for the long arm
    that sticks in the block?
   Question is, can't I just remove the pump and bolt on a block off p
   late in its place and be done with it?  Thanks.

   Ray Costanzo
   87 409 Cutlass
   ray.costanzo@firstunion.com






































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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:39:15 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

Smear a little black grease on the valves and stems, That will:
a) make them disappear
b) make them seem like the chrome's all messed up and not worth stealing
c) make them too slippery grasp to remove (once you wrench tighten)

save the c-4 for serious problems.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:43:50 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Interior parts

Try Larry Camuso in San Jose, CA. Number in Hemmings.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com [mailto:SHELTERMEN@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 7:08 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Interior parts
>
>
> Is there a company that specializes in olds interior parts?
> I need to find a
> rear deck lid for a '68 Delmont.  Thanks
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:49:51 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff?

In a message dated 98-09-02 15:30:32 EDT, you write:

<<   Is the fuel pump eccentric just the name for the long arm
     that sticks in the block? >>

     Isn't the eccentric the lobe on the cam that actuates the fuel pump arm?
I don't think that can fall off, but I've never been inside an Olds motor
yet......Dorian

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:02:45 -0600
From: Edward Pittman <edward@gdar.org>
Subject: 1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)

I have a 1968 Cutlass S convertible for sale in Dallas. The bad news is
that it was wrecked on the front end, and the rest of the body would
need to be redone, too. The good news is that the interior is in
excellent shape (correct black PUI diamond-pinpoint from Supercars
Unlimited), and the engine and drivetrain are also great. The engine is
.030 over, with a W-31 profile cam from Mondello, Performer manifold,
Carter carb, an HEI distributor from a 74 Cutlass, Hooker Super
Competition ceramic headers, 10.50:1 compression (about 10.25 with the
cam), Speed Pro forged flat-top pistons, the rings were file fitted, I
ported and polished the heads, triple valve springs (the valvetrain is
now an adjustable one, where before it was not), a Melling high-volume
oil pump, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. The transmission is a
TH-350 with a mild shift kit, and I believe the rearend is 3.73, but I'm
not sure. I also have a positraction carrier that I'll include along
with the correct shim kit. The top is 38 oz. Hartz vinyl, and it has a
fairly new top motor and lines (electric top). Also new gas tank from
Year One and an new side marker light to replace one that got smushed.

I'll let this car go pretty cheap, since it will require a lot of work
to get the body straight, but I would rather someone take the whole car
and fix it up because I don't really want to part it out one eyebrow
molding at a time. I spent a lot of money on it, and it kills me to see
it sitting in the backyard. If you're in my area and want to come look
at it, call me at (214) 637-6660 (work) or (214) 828-2881 (home). I
could also take a picture and e-mail it if you're farther away. Someone
with the time and money to fix it up could end up with a nice car.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:31:39 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff?

Olds uses an ecentric (sp?) on the end of the cam and if it falls off your
timing gear would follow.  This is not likely and removing the pump on an Olds
causes no problems.  Your information about an actuator rod is ch*vy based and
means nothing to the superior designed rocket V8.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:51:35 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: A word on Just Dashes

They should be able to do that, but call 'em.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: brain@mail.jbrain.com [mailto:brain@mail.jbrain.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 10:01 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: A word on Just Dashes
>
>
> Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com> wrote:
>
> OK, this piques my interest:
>
> I have a dark brown dash in my "new" 84.  Is this a place I
> can send it to to
> make it light brown to match the rest of my interior?

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 14:02:48 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Interior parts

Rear deck lid, interior parts?  Do you mean package tray, or do you
mean exterior parts?  trivia, sort of-->  the back deck in front of the
rear window of a car (where the speakers would hang from) is called a
package tray.  Kind of a strange name since it is technically illegal to
put a package on that tray and obstruct your vision.
=====================================================================
 Hi guys,

I wouldn't call it trivia.  It is more like strange auto terminology.
Anyway, I have seen everything from pillows, toys, hats, baby stuff, and
rock crystals displayed on the "package tray".  Makes for great
projectiles at a quick stop or worse in a wreck.   The pillows may help,
NOT!  If it's not illegal it should be.

I don't like to have anything on my dash or rear view either.  Keep the
office papers in their place.  No mobile office here.

Just my $.02,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:11:06 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Interior parts

Yes, I mean a package tray & interior parts in general

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:17:44 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 68 parts needed

Hello OLDSFREAKS!

I have a 68 H/O    and I am looking for some parts.    I am in need of the
correct rear for the car.   A 12 bolt posi with 3:91's.  The proper code is
T3.   I am in Long Island and would perfer somthing within reason.   Shipping
will cost a lot!

Thanks

Vinny
HURSTOLDZ@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:22:53 -0500
From: "Reed, Steve" <sreed@cp.varco.com>
Subject: ISP suggestion

> I hate the email system here at work, so I've decided to go ahead a
> and get internet access and all at home.  I'd JUST LIKE TO HEAR SOME
> OPINIONS ABOUT various providers and their prices and feautres.

I have had an IBM 'Net account for almost 4 years now, and I couldn't be
happier.  I have NEVER had a problem accessing the dial up #.  E-Mail is
always delivered in a timely fashion, and the great thing about IBM is
that they have access #'s throughout the USA.  So you can take a laptop
on vacation, and check e-mail, access the 'Net from another town for no
additional charge.

Unlimited access = $19.99 / Month
5 Hrs Month       = $4.99 / Month


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:21:31 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

Joel,
Have a 73 Vega (no jokes please) with ET mags on it, They got the centers 4
times. The 76 T/A had the firebird centers stolen 5 times. (Traded it for
the 75 Olds). Had to get that in there. Tried crazy glue, no help, tried 3m
trim cement, no help, tried liquid nails, then I couldn't get them off.
Someone did about 6 months later. Kind of like protecting the President, if
someone wants to bad enough!  Perhaps an armed guard, no joke intended.
Anyone had this problem? What's the cure?
Lou Biggs

 You wrote----------
> From: MARKSJ@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Chrome valve stem caps
> Date: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 8:46 PM
>
> Fellow Oldsmobilers...
>
> This summer I have had to replace the chrome valve stem caps on the
> convertible no less then half a dozen times.  I figure it's kids stealing
them
> for their bikes or other car buffs (hope not).  I tried tightening the
caps
> with a wrench to stop the little buggers but once again, another 4  are
gone.
> Cost isn't the issue, touching my baby and the time to get new ones is
what
> real bugs me.  Any suggestions?
>
> Joel Marks
> 71 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> 81 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> Burlington,  Ont. Canada
> marksj@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:48:13 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Underhood fiberglass mat

Underhood mat is starting to look ragged. I know it's pinned, but what
holds the center up, what would you guys recommend. a spray adhesive, spray
on undercoat? Never replaced one before. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:47:15 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)

hi  where are you located  i'm in ga...jeff...

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:58:17 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968 Cutlass Conv. for sale (cheap!)

I am in NYC area

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:17:55 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: DON'T SPEED ~~ L-O-N-G ~~ and Autocrossing

buehner@lyrea.com writes:

<< know what your limits are
 (AND that of your car) >>

I was up autocrossing this last weekend up at Brainerd International Raceway
(BIR) and a woman in a Ferrari hit the bridge when she missed the apex on the
curve and when she over-corrected and spun out.  She hit the bridge in two
places and totaled her car.  One of the workers there picked the alternator up
off the track.  She turned out to be OK, but her car was not.  Everyone was
going horrendously fast, but she didn't know the limits of her car and that's
what happened.  I didn't go over 90 because I didn't know the car I was in
very well, but it was still fun.  By the way, just so everybody knows, the car
I was in was a 1983 Audi Quattro Turbo Coupe.  I liked that car a lot, and if
it wasn't so expensive to buy and especially expensive to fix, it would be
enough to switch from Olds to Audi.  That's a pretty strong statement, because
I like Olds' a lot.

Joe Sherbanenko
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:37:39 -0700
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

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Try lock-tite.  Hope this helps.

				Paul & Noelle
				' 66 F-85 Cutlass
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch Thread

> started moving from its normal 185 mark to around 220.  The car has 235K

220 F isn't too bad.  Some cars with electric fans have a cut-in
temperature of almost 230 F.  Factory temperature warning lights are set
to come on around 257 F, at which point the coolant mixture is likely
boiling even at 15 psi!

> 2.  Should I consider a direct bolt-up with a flex fan and a spacer?
> Are there really any cooling advantages with flex fans?  (This car is a
> stock daily driver with no hi-performance mods)

From what I've read, clutched fans are superior, moving a larger amount of
air at low waterpump RPM, and limiting maximum fan RPM to reduce power
losses and noise output at speed.

> 3.  Should I bag the entire belt driven fan assembly and go with dual
> electric (the Auto Zone's part supplier preferred option.  Uh huh.)

I think the consensus is that the engine driven fans are capable of moving
more air.  All factory tow packages come with a clutched mechanical fan
where a dual electric setup might have sufficed in lighter duty models.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:45:57 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps

Dunno about this.  In 1968 c-4 was a universal panacea fer wut ails ya.
Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome valve stem caps


>Smear a little black grease on the valves and stems, That will:
>a) make them disappear
>b) make them seem like the chrome's all messed up and not worth stealing
>c) make them too slippery grasp to remove (once you wrench tighten)
>
>save the c-4 for serious problems.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:56:58 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  '87 442 - Low reading on voltmeter guage?

Hi, got an 87 442 also with same voltmeter drop. Have you tried cleaning the
contacts in the gauge cluster? That's help me. I'm due to clean them again
been reading low again lately. It's been a few years since I took apart the
dash and  gave it the once over.
Hope this helps,
John-JJP442@aol.com

P.S. I'd like to know the info on that carb adjustment,symtoms cure etc.
Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:21:20 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greatlakes speedway

In a message dated 98-09-02 11:34:45 EDT, you write:

Any pointers?  This will be my first time racing my car at the
track. Never have I staged at the Christmas tree before, any pointer on that
too will be appreciated.

Sam,

Start by staying out of the water in the burnout box. Drive around it. Big
burnouts are fun but totally unecessary for anything not running slicks with
big power.

when stagging slowly roll up to line until first yellow light goes on (top of
tree not the lights that signal start of tree)  then you'll need to roll
forward about 6" to stage (second bulb on top will also light. - try to do
this carefully as you just want to get it to light not roll too far in. You'll
no doubt have to try several different ways of launching. First try I would
bring rpm up to about 1500 and when you see the 3rd. yellow light stab it and
hang on. You shld be
running on a .500 tree and after look at reaction time on et slip. anything
higher that .500
is delay in car breaking stage beam and moving forward after green. Vary the
rpm level to see where you car likes to react best from. Make difference in
torque converter and other
parts as to where this will be on you car. If reaction is .700 or higher try
leaving when 2nd yellow goes out .. only time trials so red light means
nothing... push the tree until you can
get R/T down into the .600 range or lower.
Other than that it's simply hang on and shift at whatever rpm you motor will
max at.
BB Olds usually don't need to go over 5200-5500 rpm. Small blocks shld take it
all the
way to 6000.

 Tires will play a big part also. Depending on type you will have to play with
pressure depending on what type you are using. usually around 20 down to 15
lbs. will work on most
types unless they're radials. Then you'll most likely just spin like crazy off
the line.

Good luck - have fun - be prepared  for funny sounds and big smiles.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:25:10 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel pump blockoff?

In a message dated 98-09-02 15:30:32 EDT, you write:

<< I heard once that when removing the fuel pump, on
    e must be careful to not "let the cam pin fall out when removing th
    e fuel pump eccentric".  What the? >>
Sounds like a Chevy article you read or heard. Correct Olds pumps simply slide
in/out after removing the nut on top and bolt on bottom.

I've run a holley Blue pump for 3 yrs now w/o fail. for the price $80
w/includes regulator it's still the best deal going.   I've run best of 11.80
/ 114 mph with this pump thru stock lines (except for regulator to carb which
is 3/8")

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:32:16 EDT
From: Toronado68@aol.com
Subject: Re: Interior parts

contact harry samuel interiors. He especializes in rear deck lids repro.
PH# (284) 335-1900
65 wisner st
pontiac, mi 48342

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: G-body Dual Snorkel aircleaner f/s

Hi gang,
      If anyone out there knows of anyone with a late 442 or
H/O....and they need a dual snorkel aircleaner with chrome lid....I
got one...don't need/use.
       Any offers privately please.
               Thanks,
                       John






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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:21:54 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: dimensions

Thanks Greg.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:19:40 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: dimensions

Thanks for the numbers, Dick.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:28:36 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet Linkage

>In the past few weeks, I have noticed a strange (yet cool) problem with
>my linkage.....
>
>87 Cutlass - 307 - Electric Quad
>
>Right off of the accelerator, there is a wire assembly. It's a thick
>wire, not like electrical wire..  More like THICK coat hanger wire.

You talkin' about the linkage rod that connects the cruise control servo to
the accelerator linkage? It shouldn't "catch" on anything - and if it does,
just bend it a bit.

drc

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:34:42 -0400
From: Andy Mikesell <andymikesell@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: dumb question

The 2bbl setup came from the factory.  My "Motors Auto Repair Manual"
(copyright 1971) has 4 offerings listed from the factory under the 455
engine:

2bbl, 185 hp
4bbl, 225 hp
4bbl, 260 hp
4bbl, 265 hp

When I rebuild the engine next spring I plan to put install an Edlebrock 4bbl
manifold.  Until then, I'll keep "''ol reliable".

- - Andy
71 Delta 88 Conv.

JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:

> noticed a thread before that mentioned someone had a 455 with a 2bbl. Why
> would anyone have that combo? would it be to save gas or something? Just
> wondering....
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:36:06 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Underhood fiberglass mat

>Underhood mat is starting to look ragged. I know it's pinned, but what
>holds the center up,

On mine, the hood insulation is held in with plastic snap-buttons that have
really big heads.

drc

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:40:42 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch Thread

Andy:

The clutch type fan assembly was designed to save horsepower thus gas mileage
Vs the direct drive full time fan.  After about 35 mph the fan becomes
unnecessary during normal driving and the thermostat will release the fan and
let the forced airflow cool the engine.  During these times there is no fan
noise because it is not working.  These are the most obivious issues I can
think of on deciding clutch Vs direct drive.  The electric fan option sounds
interesting if you are not bothered by modifications of the original auto.
This is the way a lot of very well made cars are equiped today.  I have
noticed a lot of hot rodders are picking the electric option as well.

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:54:14 EDT
From: JCutlass@aol.com
Subject: Re: Idiot lights - troubleshooting

In a message dated 98-09-01 22:44:01 EDT, you write:

<< I had some work done to my 68 and now the oil and temp idiot lights do
 not come on when the car is started. >>

Had a similar problem on my '68. Tracked it down to the gang plug of wires
plugged into the rear of the gauge cluster. Some of the pins on the back of
the printed circuit board at the rear of the instrument cluster had corroded
to the plug and had broken off when worked on by a mechanic trying sort out
some shorts. Its about 2" across with about 10 pins. Its one of those under
the dash, upside down, feet up, with your head under the brake pedal, better
have two elbows and a flashlight duct-taped to your forehead type of things.
Finding a replacement circuit board was next to impossible, but found a local
computer monitor shop that jumped at the chance to repair it (for free! guess
that don't get much variety in there). Pull the plug and check it out, if
that's your problem, let me know, its a booger to get the cluster out.
Tim in Okla
'68 Cutlass S conv

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:12:31 EDT
From: GChris1511@aol.com
Subject: Re: City Fathers - long

Just thought you would like to know.  Headlines in the September 2, 1998
Salisbury Md. Daily Times.  Council President Palmer Gillis wants ordinances
to get trash cans off the street, and he wants to clear cars from yards.  Bad
town that Salisbury Maryland

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:26:10 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: OIL PRESSURE GAGE

I asked this question before when everyone was on vacation and didn't
get an answer so I'll try again.  The needle of my oil pressure gage (69
Cutlass ralley pac)has started fluctuating rapidly from engine start-up
until the engine warms up and then it stabilizes to indicate a normal
pressure reading.  The fluctuation is aggrevated if I'm driving on a
rough road and when accelerating.  Again it will eventually return to a
norm steady reading.  Any ideas?

Wayne Schwartz

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:36:37 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: OIL PRESSURE GAGE

> Cutlass ralley pac)has started fluctuating rapidly from engine start-up
> until the engine warms up and then it stabilizes to indicate a normal
> pressure reading.  The fluctuation is aggrevated if I'm driving on a
> rough road and when accelerating.  Again it will eventually return to a norm
steady reading.  Any ideas?


Assuming the oiling system is OK, if I were to guess, it's either your
oil pressure sending unit is dying, OR, connections somewhere from the
unit to the guage is loose/corroded.  Then again, I shudder to think,
that something may be LOOSE in the guage itself.

This is what ~I~ would do:  try the connections first.  Doesn't cost
anything but time.  Then, if everything there checks out, then you may
want to do a little test.  If memory serves me, I THINK once you pull
off the wire at the sending unit on the engine, the meter should read
pegged high with the engine running.  Well, one way or another.  If that
checks, then remove the sending unit and replace with a pressure gage to
see exactly what your oiling system is doing.  Now, if you can trust
your car's oiling system for a short trip, then reinstall the sending
unit, leave the wire OFF the sending unit, and cruise a bit.  Watch the
needle for grounding (fluctuations).  If THAT checks out, then go spend
a few bucks on a new sending unit.  If you replace the unit, and it
STILL does it, then the guage itself may be suspect.  Of course, if you
have a handy dandy voltmeter/ohmmeter, then you can check a lot of
things with that.  Another story....

Suggestions
Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 22:58:50 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Underhood fiberglass mat

At 04:48 PM 9/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Underhood mat is starting to look ragged. I know it's pinned, but what
>holds the center up, what would you guys recommend. a spray adhesive, spray
>on undercoat? Never replaced one before. Any suggestions? Thanks.
>
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>

  Replaced the hood insulation on my car with the correct retainers.  I knew
that over time the original equipment 2" sqr. clips wouldn't hold that
insulation over time so I did as you suggested and used a spray adhesive
and, it not only looks good, but is very fuctional.


  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:42:39 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Wear Q - 1965

> Last year - excessive inner tire wear on both fronts.
> Inboard inch or so was bald.
> Aligned - they said it was a Toe Out problem.
> Okay....
> Right Now; excessive inner tire wear!
> Just like last year!
> Not got aligned 'cause mechs dint wanna align when p225r15 rear and p205r14
> front!

OK, Karl.  Here goes.

Step one:  Find some new mechanics.  First off, inside edge wear is ~not~ 
caused
by toe problems.  Never has been, never will.  Toe will (almost) always cause a
sawtooth wear pattern across the ~entire~ tread path.  And is generally much
more severe, in that a really bad toe situation ~can~ wipe out a new tire 
within
50 miles.  (That's severe, but possible)  Your wear pattern sounds is camber
related, which can be caused by several problems.  Many can be corrected to a
point by adjusting (shims usually on GM) but this adjustment cannot and will 
not
correct a bad part.  If your springs are sagged out (which is a given after
60000 miles and for a 65?  They're shot, most likely)

I can't find any ride height specifications here in my collection, but most
shops should have it available, and that needs to be checked.  Should be one of
the first things they check on a camber problem.

When a spring saggs out, and the car sits lower than it should, the tire angles
~do~ change.  They can be aligned to that point, but the suspension geometry is
alterred throughout its travel sweep.  Which means, when you hit a bump, the
camber will change ~much~ more drastically than it normally would.  This is one
of the problems with lowerring cars by cutting springs.  Ride height ~must~ be
maintained, unless you go with dropped spindles.

The big problem with a car that old {trust me here!:(  } is that nearly
everything is shot under the front end.  Control arm bushings, ball joints,
shocks, springs, inner and outer tie rod ends, wheel bearings, center link,
idler arm...  Add it all up, and you're ~easily~ into it for $500+.  Just to 
get
it ~alignable~...  Add in $30 ~ 50 to get it aligned...  Presuming you do all
the ~other~ labor yourself...

~Most~ reputable shops would have sent you right back out the door a year ago,
saying "I won't touch it" unless they are allowed to fix everything correctly,
which happens to be a ~lot~ of Benjamins...  One of the reason the GS has
~never~ gotten "new" front tires.  $560 for the parts that were ~really bad~
much more to make it "right" (For the shop to do it....  I think we dropped 
over
$400 into the front end of the '83, and it ~still~ isn't ~all~ good up there...
Those things ~ain't~ cheap :(

Side note, while on the subject...  If you contemplate doing any front end work
on your own, invest in a pickle-fork and a large hammer.  Worth its weight in
gold...  Hell, worth its weight in ~Oldsmobile~ parts!!!  I put an idler arm 
and
tie rod end in tonight...  Tried the idler arm over the weekend, ~without~ the
pickle fork...  Couldn't get it out.  Spent about two hours fussing and cussing
and fighting it.  Spent about an hour tonight, ~with~ the proper tools, and got
~both~ changed...  Much nicer :)  Find out tomorrow if it's finally fixed or
not...

Back to story at hand.  My suggestion???  Take the car to a ~reputable~
professional style shop and ask for a prealignment inspection.  Tell 'em you
need an estimate for getting it right, and find out how much you'll need to 
save
up to have them fix your car.  Many shops will do the inspection for free, and
they'll usually give you an itemized pass/fail checklist of all the suspension
components.  From which you can either schedule an appointment, or go home, buy
the parts yourself, and replace them, and ~then~ go back and have them align
it.  Good luck, regardless...  If you go the full route, you'll think you're in
a whole new car.  Great feeling...  Almost as cool as driving a big block 
again,
after months of V6 crap...  :(

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