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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 14 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1426



Re: HP question
Re: HP question
Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
RE: Ball Joint
Re: Your flamed!, part 2
Re: Your flamed! II
Sorry!
Re: G-Body Seat Question.
Re: Olds model Stuff
Re: Distributor Indexing, (Was Re: Yet more timing chain help)
Re: Your flamed!
Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
Re: Parts and info needed for 70 W-30
Re: Thrashing to get ready...
Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
B heads
Re: Olds model Stuff
Re: Diesel 350 conversion:  May I pick a brain or two?
Re: Olds model Stuff
Re: Ball Joint
'76 Cutlass
Re: 64 F85 Cutlass body tag decoding
paint code Q
'70 455 Intake Installation
HELP, Looking for CARB.
Re: paint code Q
UNBOUNCE: Need '68 350 Carb #7028250
Re: Olds model Stuff
Re: Trans fluid leak
Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS
Re:jwo back issues
good info on upgrading rear drums
Grilles for '79 Cutlass
Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass
84 delta 88 FOR SALE first $350 takes
Re: wow
Re: '70 455 Intake Installation
Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
Re: Value of 1978 Cutlass Supreme
Re: Your flamed!
Re: How much should I pay?
Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass
Cheap Racing Slicks!
Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available
1970 w31
Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass
re: Subject: Fender Attachment
More Olds model Stuff
Camshaft's
403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: [Toro] Tony Moore's resto
Re: G-Body Seat Question.
Re: Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available
Re: Olds model Stuff & Parts Cars
Re: Camshaft's
Re: G-Body Seat Question.
Aluminum Heads!
[none]
Re: Aluminum Heads!
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: Your flamed!
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1425
Re: A great injustice?
Re: Your flamed!
Re: Camshaft's
RE: Olds model Stuff
Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass
FS 75 4-4-2
RE: Magnum Rockers

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:04:53 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

Tell me where to look for the trans desigination, and I"ll check when I go
look at the car (it's back in the body shop)
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32

- ----------
> Weren't all w-30's (prior to 70) 4 speeds???? I'm still trying to learn
all
> I can. Thanks
> realtorjohn@sprynet.com
> 69 W-32
> _____________
>
> Nope.  The 1966 W-30s were all 4 spd cars.  I seem to recall that the AT
> _was_ made available in 67, and I know for sure that 68-up W-30s had a
> TH400 option.  This is the OW trans, which has the different clutch plate
> arrangement from the other TH400s.
>
> The 69 W-32 was marketed as a "civilized" version of the W-30 for regular
> street use.  All had the TH400, posi, O.A.I., and the regular 442 MT cam
> with "C" heads.  I seem to recall that the distributor is the same one
used
> on the 69 H/O.
>
> You have a W-32?  Cool.  Can you confirm that your TH400 is an OW?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:08:02 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: HP question

Chris, two things...do you still have the ash tray woodgrain, and do you
want to buy my black,black W-32 (California car, no rust) for considerably
less???
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32


- ----------
> From: Smetana, Christopher <csmetana@dowagro.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: HP question
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 7:07 AM
>
> As a side note and FYI, there was a guy in Springfield that had an
> ~unrestored~ 69 W-32.  It was black/black.  And get this .... it was for
> sale.  He was asking $25K.  If anyone is interested I can get his name,
> don't think I have his number though.  If I had $25K burning a hole in
> my pocket, I would have bought it.
>
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> work: csmetana@dowagro.com
> home: chris@abcs.com
>
> 1969 W-31  currently under the knife for tranny work
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:17:58 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)

Tom,
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!! The info I have seems to follow
yours...Joe, balls in your court and thanks to both of you, like I said I'm
learning.
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32

- ----------
> From: tgstoner@umich.edu
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 12:45 PM
>
> On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> >
> Joe,
>
> Are you certain about this?  My 30 year old recollection from those days
is
> that the W-30 was first available with an automatic transmission in 1970
at
> the earliest.  I might still have
> the litereature in my collection to confirm this and also to give us the
> information on the 1969s as well.  Is it worth digging out?
>
> Tom Stoner
> Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
> Ann Arbor, MI
> tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:26:56 EDT
From: <KASOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: RE: Ball Joint

Is there a way to
check the ball joints to tell if they are likely to break?  This is one
problem I don't want to encounter again.




Ball joints usually get loose before they break.  If you jack up your front
wheels under the control arm, you can shake your wheels back and forth or up
and down.  If you do this you can feel if they are loose.  If the ball joints
have any movement they should be replaced.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:29:32 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Your flamed!, part 2

Ed Binnix,
Thanks for the back up, they didn't believe my neon tranformer story
either.
lou Biggs lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:39:07 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Your flamed! II

Jason Labay.
Too late, I already restored it. It's still pretty to look at... So.'s my
wife and she's expensive too. Thanks to all.
Lou Biggs

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:43:41 -0500
From: "Lou J. Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Sorry!

Sorry about the miss-post
Lou Biggs

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: JM <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body Seat Question.

- ---Ed Binnix <comid@jellico.com> wrote:

> >Has anyone dropped a set of Camaro seats (not 84-on up) onto the
Cutlass
> >seat mounts?
- ----I had late subird seats in my 69~bolted on my 69 tracks....also
used my power track from my 60/40~40/60~whatever~in Pats 84 to mount
the buckets.Most of the seats I've dealt with would bolt to existing
tracks as long as they were GM, I guess some exceptions are out
there,But I've been lucky so far.
        John
==
mailto:super442@yahoo.com           ICQ # 16956740
1985 Cutlass-----T-Tops--307 H.O./3.73--http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
1984 Cutlass-Moonroof--307 http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/PatsCar.html
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be 403!



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:45:57 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff

- -----Original Message-----
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff


>I'm looking for a ERTL 69 hurst model and can't find one. If anyone knows
of
>one let me know. Thanks Chris


I bought one this May at the Yankee Candle Factory Car Museum in Mass. If
that's too far for you try:

The Ertl Company, Inc.
Dyersville, Iowa 52040

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:48:22 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Indexing, (Was Re: Yet more timing chain help)

rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu writes:

<OK, I'm trying to grasp exactly what is being indexed to what.>

What's being done is making sure that the rotor references the proper place in
the cap.  In some applications, the locating notch on the distributor's not
exactly where it should be.

<If the terminals in the cap are a few degrees off, wouldn't just rotating the
distributor those few degrees put the cap back in the proper relationship with
the rotor?>

That would also change the overall timing, advancing or retarding.  Since the
point plate (or reluctor [HEI]) also moves when you move the distributor, the
timing would change as you move the distributor.  What you are trying to do by
indexing is make sure when the points or reluctor tell the coil (to fire) the
rotor is positioned at the optimum position in relation to the terminal inside
the cap.  There is an entire science in racing that looks into things like
where the best relation between the rotor and cap is for transmitting the
energy that eventually sparks at the plug.  It has to do with those ten-
thousandths of a second differences in lap times or 1/4-mile ET's.

I must repeat, I'm no expert at this, I'm only relating what I remember
reading in a racing publication some time ago.  Later tonight, I'll E-mail MSD
and ask them about it and post it here as soon as I get a reply.

Hope this helps. Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:52:25 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Your flamed!

>Why is a 1975 Cutlass Supreme reputed to be slower than a rock while a 1976 w
>a/c gots some excuse for b@lls??
>
>Its not the Rear axle diff, is it?

' 75's had REALLY lean jetted Q-jets. Not just Olds but all GM.
' 75 was the year Rochester  changed everything and then later worked
out some bugs in the design.
__
Bob.
'66 Vista Cruiser
(rebuilt, not restored)

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:07:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)

According to the OLDSMOBILE 442& w-machine restoration guide, 1967 was
the first year the automatic was available with the w-30 option.
Todd Thomas
1972w30

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:10:31 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts and info needed for 70 W-30

In a message dated 98-08-13 11:09:34 EDT, you write:

<< Karl Sarpolis is the person that is reproducing these, his phone
 number is: (708)614-4906. Have one on my '70, the mounting tabs are much
 stronger then the original. He is out of Illinois. Great guy. >>

Mark,
This is the same guy I bought my scoops from awhile ago. If he does the other
parts like the scoops shld be ok.

Rgds,
Rob

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:08:56 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: Thrashing to get ready...

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:
>
> Hi, Gang.
>
> You may recall that I mentioned the crazy notion of fixing up my 70 W-30
> with the goal of driving it on the Hot Rod Magazine East Coast Power Tour.
> ECPT starts Oct 17 in Massachusetts and runs through Oct 25 in St.
> Petersburg, FL.  (snip)
Is this coming down I-95? Will ya all be coming through Savannah? I
would sure like to meet a few of ya.
T.J.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:19:51 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)

my mechanic has a 67 W-30 automatic....one of 112 made!

todd thomas wrote:
>
> According to the OLDSMOBILE 442& w-machine restoration guide, 1967 was
> the first year the automatic was available with the w-30 option.
> Todd Thomas
> 1972w30

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:16:45 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: B heads

I've got a pair of B heads from a 66 425.  The heads are complete with
valves and springs.  $200.00.  If interested, e-mail me at
pber710840@msn.com  Peter.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:32:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff

I couldn't get the URL posted earlier today for Evers Toy Store at
marketplace.com to work... gave me a CGI script error. FYI...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:03:16 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel 350 conversion:  May I pick a brain or two?

>I hope to begin converting a diesel 350 to gas soon, I was wondering if
>someone could help:
>
>Basically I was wondering if Mondello's engine building book is a
>must-have for this project.

Mondello's book has 2 pages of close spaced type describing the procedure.
But he references his own part numbers for the items you need - like
"Install new bronze camshaft spacer No. 1090...", so if you don't wanna buy
his parts his book won't be much use. It does sound like the least risky
path, however, to do both.

drc

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:13:29 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff

> >I'm looking for a ERTL 69 hurst model and can't find one.

Just a thought on this one.  I'm getting crazy in my old age, but even
the 69 H/O model has the wrong color gold on it.  Well, just to make it
match my car when I'm done, I'm in the process of carefully repainting
the stripes using the reproduction DuPont Firefrost.  Unfortunately,
right now, both H/Os are apart, and both have the wrong color stripes,
so I guess they DO match even now....don't worry, I do have a spare in
case I screw it up (model, not real car!) :)

I'm assuming you're talking about the metal version, or is it the
plastic one you were interested in?  I MIGHT, just MIGHT, have an extra
plastic kit around here somewhere....no guarantees though.  But I'll
look.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:56:37 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Ball Joint

This isn't absolute, but to test ball joints, jack the car up, push on the top
of the tire, and pull on the bottom of the tire, and if the wheel moves more
than just a little bit, you should have them checked.

Joe

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:35:46 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: '76 Cutlass

Message text written by
>Why is a 1975 Cutlass Supreme reputed to be slower than a rock while a
1976 w
a/c gots some excuse for b@lls??
Its not the Rear axle diff, is it?<

Could be.  My 1976 Cutlass S with 350 4bbl and THM-350 and 2.42 or 2.56
rear axle was a complete dog off the line.  However, when tromped on at 40
mph, it would downshift from 3rd to 1st and haul @ss.  1-2 shift was at 60
mph, 2-3 shift at 90, top end was 128 mph.  1/4 mile was 16.63 @ 86 mph.
BTW - this was with not cat. converter but at 150,000 miles.

My 1987 442, which has as much horsepower and is lighter, also is much
faster off the line due to its 3.73 rear end.  It will smoke the tires
easily from standing start. However it runs out of steam much faster.
Anything above 40 mph it runs out of breathe quickly.  Top end is 113 mph.
1/4 mile is quicker at 16.2 but slower mph at 82.



Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:46:23 EDT
From: <Bb79ta@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 64 F85 Cutlass body tag decoding

Hey Craig,
Finally an easy question I can Answer.  I also have a 64 F85 cutlass holiday
coupe!!!  Ijust found a sight that decodes the tag.


www.442.com

Send a message back if you have access to a saddle color floor console with
the shifter.

Bill from South Jeresy

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:09:34 EDT
From: <Cnvrt67@aol.com>
Subject: paint code Q

paint code on my 67 convertible is d-2........what is the name of the color???
i know its some kinda blue. Thanks

Brent
1967 cutlass convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:16:30 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: '70 455 Intake Installation

I am removing the Edelbrock 455 intake and replacing it with a stock '70 442
intake.  The car is an automatic transmission.  Any suggestions on how I go
about putting in the gaskets.  When I took the performer off there was like a
tin gasket, what's with that?  Also, I remove the water temp. switch, and to
the left of it is another switch.  Some type of vacuum switch with two outlet.
What's that for?  These switches which screwed into the performer don't
measure up with the stock intake.  Are there adapter available, or do I just
need a switch for the stock manifold?  Any suggestions and help would be as
always, greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:38:08 EDT
From: <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: HELP, Looking for CARB.

Hi to all on list,
I'm in need of a Rochester 4-barell carb., part # 7028250. It is for a '68
350.
Any help out there?
Thank you
Leigh Tenenholtz
'68 Cutlass S Convert

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:41:42 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: paint code Q

Cnvrt67@aol.com wrote:
>
> paint code on my 67 convertible is d-2........what is the name of the 
color???
> i know its some kinda blue. Thanks
>
> Brent
> 1967 cutlass convertible
> http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html

D is the code for Crystal Blue
2 is the code for a black convertible top

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:51:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need '68 350 Carb #7028250

Leigh, FWIW, I got this exact carb from Karl Sarpolis a couple of years
ago for my '68. He had a bunch of carbs on the shelf. His phone # was
posted here the last day or so.

This bounced because of the "H*LP" word...

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	<MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: H*LP, Looking for CARB.

Hi to all on list,
I'm in need of a Rochester 4-barell carb., part # 7028250. It is for a '68
350.
Any help out there?
Thank you
Leigh Tenenholtz
'68 Cutlass S Convert

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:55:15 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Any ideas whether the gold or silver is particularly hard to
> come by? Since they had about 6 silvers and only one gold I'd be tempted
> to get the gold one even though the silver/red looks better. Thoughts?
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg,

Somewhere I got the information that per a box of 6 assorted 442 only
one was gold.  Meaning they are the hardest to find.  I found ONE at
ToysRUs a few months ago amongs a plethora of silver ones.  Had to wait
about 2 months to snag another one for a buddy.

Go buy it - NOW!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:41:34 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Trans fluid leak

GM said they needed a sure fire way to get these things back in for service
and well...........kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Trans fluid leak


>In a message dated 98-08-13 16:51:15 EDT, you write:
>
><< the yoke on these things sometimes have a small hole in the back under
>where
> the u-joint would be for whatever reason Ive seen these suddenly start to
> leak in this area the fix was to remove the driveline and fill the dimple
> and small hole with jb weld after a thourough cleaning with gumout
strangest
> thing I ve ever seen...kk >>
>     Kerry, you are right! I remember my friends Turbo 350 doing the exact
>same thing. All of a sudden HUGE slick under and around the car. That's
where
>it was coming from. Anyone know why the hole is there?  Dorian

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:59:20 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 1984 Engine Options & LOTS O' QUESTIONS

Robert Barry wrote:

> Really, the 4.3L/263ci _V-6_ was available in the rwd Cutlass?

Yes, really, I wouldn't lie to you.  Honest.

> Was the 260ci
> V-8 phased out at that point?

No, the 260 V8 was only used in '79, then it was discontinued.

> Has anyone ever seen that diesel v-6 in a
> Cutlass?

I'm thinking I saw ONE when I worked at the warranty desk for the local
Olds dealer.  That was in late '87 to early '92.  I remember the remarks
about how few of these there were.  Most people wanted the 350s (they
were slow enough).

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:59:50 EDT
From: <KENSOLDS9@aol.com>
Subject: Re:jwo back issues

i am looking for back issues of JWO i would like to get all back issues for
1996, can any one help me out. or know were i could get them. if any one out
there in olds land has them, and would be willing to part with them, please
let me know, and how much?    thank in advance, ken

ps, all so looking for hemmings and old car trader  for all of 1996    thanks
again                             ken

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:04:23 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: good info on upgrading rear drums

ok so i picked up backing plates for a 77 malibu w/ 11 drums. $20 each w/
everything but the  drums in a junk yard. The guy has lots more and new what i
was looking to do. I went to a local auto store(AUTO BARN) and bought the
drums 35 each,make sure you get them for just a reg malibu and not a wagon.
The wagon may have a different bolt pattern. The spring kit which is much
different from the 9.5 setup,i remember the article in MCR said they were the
same. 15/16 wheel cylinders, which is what the stock 77 mali. used. All this
bolted right up no problems at all. No need to grind or relocate lines. And in
fact it looks like these 15/16 wheel cylinders will fit in the 9.5 backing
plates if you want to go that way. So how does it work?? i dont know yet
havent drove the car.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:12:48 PDT
From: "Justin Brickey" <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
Subject: Grilles for '79 Cutlass

My '79 Cutlass Supreme is currently being restored. I am having a hard
time finding grilles to replace mine with. The chrome paint, or whatever
coating it is, is flaking pretty badly on mine.  Does anyone know where
or how I can get new grilles, or at least make mine look new?

Justin Brickey
'79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:23:52 -0700
From: "Tim W." <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass

I will check tomorrow to see if i can order them new for you, They will be
aftermarket though. I have a company in utah i order from. Tim Wurtz "All
Makes Auto Salvage" 208-362-7111
- -----Original Message-----
From: Justin Brickey <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 8:14 PM
Subject: Grilles for '79 Cutlass


>My '79 Cutlass Supreme is currently being restored. I am having a hard
>time finding grilles to replace mine with. The chrome paint, or whatever
>coating it is, is flaking pretty badly on mine.  Does anyone know where
>or how I can get new grilles, or at least make mine look new?
>
>Justin Brickey
>'79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:34:01 EDT
From: <HOFFAX181@aol.com>
Subject: 84 delta 88 FOR SALE first $350 takes

84 delta 88 2 door 307 needs body work rear quarters and doors can be repaired
but cheaper to replace muffler needs to be welded on flowtech terminator z-28
rims with 255/60 15's in all 4 corners runs really good has 88,000 miles on it
just moved so i have to sell the car and I also found a 74 scout II that I
want first 350 takes the car mass area

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: wow

>Ok...  I finally did it.  I have had the 67 Toro for two weeks now, and
>havent been too abusive.  I havent raced anyone...  havent mashed the
>gas pedal too often...  I have been really good to her...  but tonight I
>had to find out...

There is that moment of truth, isn't there, for every "new" used car you
pick up, isn't there? You drive it carefully for a little while, listening
and waiting for parts to break or fall off, and then you get to the point
where you just have to test it out...

>I pulled onto my street (well it is kinda in the woods) and when I came
 [snip]
>So from a stop, I floored it...  I swear that the tires actually spun
>for at least 100 yards...  if not more...  I am surprised I even have
>tires left on the front...  heh heh...  what can I say, I couldnt
>resist.

Who could blame you? With 3.21:1's, that switch-pitch and the 425, once you
got them spinning I'm sure they just wanted to keep on burning.

>By the way, do any of you have a pic of a Gen 1 Toro with 255 tires on
>it?  and is it bad to put 255's on them, if I am gonna go to shows and
>such?

This is a common swap on first-gen Toros (I've got 255/70-15's on there
now), but it definitely moves the looks of your car toward the "sporty" end
of the "sport-luxury" scale (especially if you install them with raised
white letters on the outside), whereas whitewalls  give it a luxury-car
look. You can find a few cars (including mine under "Car of the Month"
archives) with these tires at http://www.toronado.org .

http://www.toronado.org/flamer1.htm
http://www.toronado.org/drbob69.htm
http://www.toronado.org/daum68.htm

I've also seen a Toro with 275/60-15's, but that needed the rims widened to
8", and some more clearance (~1") with a couple turns on the front torsion
bars and air shocks in back; those looked great on the car.

I suppose you'd lose a few points in a judged event with the 255/70's, but I
think they look too good to leave off- nothing else fills the wheelwell like
they do.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:27:56 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '70 455 Intake Installation

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:

> I am removing the Edelbrock 455 intake and replacing it with a stock '70 442
> intake.  The car is an automatic transmission.  Any suggestions on how I go
> about putting in the gaskets.  When I took the performer off there was like a
> tin gasket, what's with that?  Also, I remove the water temp. switch, and to
> the left of it is another switch.  Some type of vacuum switch with two 
outlet.
> What's that for?  These switches which screwed into the performer don't
> measure up with the stock intake.  Are there adapter available, or do I just
> need a switch for the stock manifold?  Any suggestions and help would be as
> always, greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Jim McKeague
> http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

 Jim,
Did the tin gasket cover the entire valley area?  If so, this is the original
style valley pan gasket.  You will need to use a new one of the same design 
when
installing the original intake.  I have had very good luck using Permatex
Ultra-Blue sealer on the valley pan intakes.  Regarding the temperature sender.
Personally, I would replace the sender with a correct original design rather
than adapt an incorrect part.  The original 1970 ported vacuum switch has three
ports. So I would replace it as well.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:40:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)

> Nope.  The 1966 W-30s were all 4 spd cars.  I seem to recall that the AT
> _was_ made available in 67, and I know for sure that 68-up W-30s had a
> TH400 option.  This is the OW trans, which has the different clutch plate
> arrangement from the other TH400s.

******************
Joe,

Are you certain about this?
___________________

Tom,

I'm going from a reprint of an Olds factory publication about the 67 W-30,
entitled Technical Tips Review.  The reprint appears in the Oldsmobile 442 and
W-Machines Restoration Guide, by T. Patrick Sullivan (pages 48 through 54).
Granted the Sullivan book contains some errors, but this appears to be an
untouched reproduction of the factory document, which again covers only the
1967 W-30.  I quote:

"Oldsmobile has available two different transmissions - a manual and an
automatic...

...The automatic transmission, shown here, is the Turbo Hydra-Matic.  It is
identified by the letters W-O-G found on the transmission serial number plate.
 The internal parts of this transmission are the same as those in any Turbo
Hydra-Matic.  However, the calibration, made at the factory, are different.
For example, the W-O-G transmission has higher wide-open throttle shift points
than other Turbo Hydra-Matics...

...The W-O-G transmission will exhibit much firmer upshifts and downshifts at
all speeds and throttle openings.  The firmer shifts are necessary to achieve
the top perfomance the W-30 is noted for..."

The document describes the other 67 W-30 features, including the well-known
O.A.I, trunk mounted battery, and cam and valve springs, in addition to some
lesser-known items:

A Type-P anti-spin differential with four pinion gears and a choice of 3.55,
3.90, or 4.33:1 ratios

Four different distributors, two point-type and two UHV.  Interestingly, most
67 W-30s had distributors with mechanical advance only, while early cars got
the vacuum advance as well (hence the four different distributors).

One other great quote:

"...the W-30 engine is susceptible to rough idle..."

Gee, ya think?

==================

The following is from the 1968 442 order sheet:

"W-30 Engine Induction System.  Force-Air - includes W36, M21 or M40
required..."  M-40 was the TH400 option code.

The 1968 Specifications page for axle ratios in the dealer brochures shows the
standard ratio of 3.42 for a W-30 with AT, with 3.91, 4.33, and 4.66 optional.
 Note that the standard ratio with the four speed W-30 was a whopping 4.33:1!!

Perhaps you're thinking of A/C or power brakes, both of which were first
available on the W-30 in 1970.  Of course, these cars received the standard
442 cam instead of the 328 degree cam.  They _did_ get the F heads and
aluminum intake.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30





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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:44:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Value of 1978 Cutlass Supreme

>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

PLEEEEEZE! Plain ASCII text, everyone! Half the digests are coming through
in unreadable codes...

>I have chance to buy 78 Cutlass Supreme ... SS wheels
>very nice body ... great interior
>307 pw / pdl / pdb / ps / power seats / no air  ... price $ 1200
>
>I have no idea of price for very clean 78 Cutlass Sup. Any ideas?

The 307 wouldn't be original in a '78 (wasn't inroduced until 1980?). How
many miles? As others noted, could be a fair price if it is in very good
shape mechanically, and the frame is solid. Walk away quickly, though, if
there's frame rot.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:44:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Your flamed!

>> My wife had a '74 Cutlass 350/350 back in the early eighties. Her father had
>> maintained it meticulously since new. Yes . . . SLOW!
>
>HEY!! Mine's a '73 CS 350/350/2.73 open!! I could still walk an '87
>C*ugar XR7, an '88 Blunderbird, and almost an '86 M*nte Super Slow. I

I guess everyone's definition of "slow" is different, based on what they
grew up with and what they're used to driving. I consider my SX, and to a
degree my Electra, to be somewhat quick, but they are in no sense "fast"
cars, by which I mean that full-throttle acceleration very quickly gives you
the sense that things are getting out of your control. I guess something in
the 13's would qualify, but then again, I've never had anything I've driven
to the track, so my perspective is a bit skewed. The only cars I've ridden
in that fall under that category were a turbo T-type Buick (once the boost
kicked in, that is) and a 4-spd LS-6 Chevelle. But riding is different than
driving, sensation-wise, so I might be driving a fast car, and not really
know it.

>would have beat him had he had higher than 3.73 gears. I think any car
>that can run faster than 17's is not slow. I might change my thinking

Well, then virtually all new cars would qualify, according to that criteria.
I'd want something to be in the 14's before I consider it as something to be
called "quick".

>when I get my car back and experience 320hp/3.42 posi compared to
>180hp/2.73 open.

I imagine it will be night and day, if it's tuned right.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:44:39 -0700
From: "Tim W." <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: How much should I pay?

You should pay about $2500.00 for it, if it was really clean
- -----Original Message-----
From: Justin Brickey <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 4:10 AM
Subject: How much should I pay?


>My sister called me tonight and told me there was a 1971 Cutlass that
>her husbands cousin has.  It only has 27,000 original miles on it and is
>in immaculate condition. He got it from a 94 yr. old woman. So it's been
>taken care of I imagine, plus he has full paperwork on the maintenence.
>How much should I be willing to pay for this little gem?
>
>Justin Brickey
>'79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:01:01 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass

In a message dated 8/13/98 11:52:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tropical@micron.net writes:

<< I will check tomorrow to see if i can order them new for you, They will be
 aftermarket though. I have a company in utah i order from. Tim Wurtz "All
 Makes Auto Salvage" 208-362-7111 >>

are these the grilles that look like the standard cutlass supreme grilles on
the '78s?  if so, i might need a pair.
jeremy

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:14:15 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Cheap Racing Slicks!

Ladies and Gents,

I have 3 sets of McCreary EC-84 (I think that's the compound) stock car
asphalt racing slicks, size 8.0 - 27.0 - 15.  These will fit on a 7" or 8"
wheel and would make good Saturday Night Special rubber for a street/strip
car.  We can't use this brand of tire on the circle track here anymore, so I
wanted the list to have the first crack at them.  Many people around here use
these type of tires for drag racing slicks.  I'd like to get $80.00 for a
pair, there's plenty of tread left on them, the wear indicators are still very
visible.  E-mail me privately if you are interested or have any questions.

Thanks, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:18:52 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available

I just purchased a complete set of Energy Suspension polyurethane a-arm
bushings. I do not need the upper arm bushings, as our stock car doesn't use
stock upper a-arms.  Could anyone use these?  I'd be willing to part with
these little buggers (still in the package) for $40.00 (that's $10.00 per
bushing!)  E-mail me privately if interested.

Thanks, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:11:50 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: 1970 w31

I have a 1970 w31 cutlass hardtop coupe does any body know how many were
4 spds. any info on options would be a big help

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:18:15 -0700
From: "Tim W." <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass

jeremy, I believe they are i will check for you ok. Thanks Tim Wurtz (All
Makes Auto Salvage) 208-362-7111
- -----Original Message-----
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass


>In a message dated 8/13/98 11:52:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>tropical@micron.net writes:
>
><< I will check tomorrow to see if i can order them new for you, They will
be
> aftermarket though. I have a company in utah i order from. Tim Wurtz "All
> Makes Auto Salvage" 208-362-7111 >>
>
>are these the grilles that look like the standard cutlass supreme grilles
on
>the '78s?  if so, i might need a pair.
>jeremy
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:28:02 -0400
From: Joe_Gut <Joe_Gut@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: re: Subject: Fender Attachment

> Greg wrote:

>Subject: Fender Attachment

>I'm having no luck at all getting at the backside of my front fenders >in 
order
to install new scripts and emblems. I can't budge a couple of >the <snip>

Greg, although it's not the "proper" restoration method, I have found
that you can break off old emblems (best to do before you paint the car,
but it can be done).  Then, you can just break off (or cut with a Dremel
tool) the studs from the new emblems and use double stick tape made for
emblems for newer cars to reattach the new emblems.  If you carefully
cut the double stick tape with a sharp utility blade, it is very hard to
tell what you've done.  I've never had an emblem fall off, either.

Not for show cars, of course, but can save a lot of work when sprucing
up a daily driver.

Joe Gutierrez
71 442 convt
72 H/O

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:33:46 EDT
From: <LooseCanno@aol.com>
Subject: More Olds model Stuff

so i'll just respond in the manner of kerry kroger my computer has no
punctuation marks or capital letters but i have the black olds w/white stripes
available all the time sharper image about 5 bucks more now remember just
teasing kerry

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:36:30 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Camshaft's

Hi everyone, more questions as usual : ) Has ANYONE out there put a .474+ lift
cam in a small block Olds that wasn't originally a .474+ lift without changing
the valve springs or pushrods? This 403 is still giving me fits with the
different answers about needing different springs and pushrods with a .474+
cam. I'm only going to a .456 lift, and they used up to a .480(?) in the High
Performance marine engines...I think I'm going to need new springs and
pushrods, just hoping I wouldn't have to...
       Thanks for any input, Dorian

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:35:48 -0700
From: "Tim W." <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:52:25 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [Toro] Tony Moore's resto

Dons5043@aol.com wrote:

> Sparky,
> Thank you  so much for putting the snaps of my little project on the web.

Tony,

My pleasure!

> This means a great deal and I'm very pleased to see my work is available for
> all to see.

Yup! I wish I had the facilities/ability to do that kind of work myself!

> The project should be on the road in the spring if all goes well.

Cool! When you get those pics back, send me more as the project continues!

Sparky (not currently on Olds List)

- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:01:00 EDT
From: <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body Seat Question.

In a message dated 8/13/98 7:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
super442@yahoo.com writes:

<< Has anyone dropped a set of Camaro seats (not 84-on up) onto the
 Cutlass
 > >seat mounts? >>

hey, i just got another idea...  how about the rear seats out of a camaro?
the ones im talking about resemble buckets and they are in '93 up camaros for
sure.  would it be possible to use your existing seatback with the camaro seat
bottoms?  they seem to be nothing but foam.  i think some sort of center
console in the back would be kinda cool.  what do you guys think?
jeremy

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:09:57 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available

HEY Ken what year are they for?

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:10:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff & Parts Cars

Hi Guys!

IMHO, it goes to that old saying: My SO said it was either I go or the
Olds goes. Gee, I really miss them. ;)

I dated a dork once who drove a BMW (that should have tipped me off to
begin with, no taste in vehicles ;) ) and was so stuck on himself he could
not see the forest for the trees. He said, you must buy a new car and get
rid of this old thing. Kim got mad and said, you need a face lift. He
looked in the mirror and said, really? End of date, and relationship. ;)

I still have Junior who loves me more than he ever could... ;)

Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:20:32 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Camshaft's

Dorian wrote
.Ithink I need new springs....
If theres any question about your valve spring have the pressure checked.I did
a cam change on my wife's T/A and didn't check them .When I went to start the
motor...no compression.With the cam you intend to use I install NEW valve
spring that can handle .500" lift.
Kevin
KWhite5590@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:24:28 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Seat Question.

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

> hey, i just got another idea...  how about the rear seats out of a camaro?
> the ones im talking about resemble buckets and they are in '93 up camaros for
> sure.  would it be possible to use your existing seatback with the camaro 
seat
> bottoms?  they seem to be nothing but foam.

They are and they aren't.  Foam with a frame.  I would tend to believe
that these will not work, the newer Camaros/Firebird seats are to
contoured to the car.  The Fronts may work, but won't match overall...
Now, without actually measuring, I can't be sure, but I would think that
the older Camaro (late 70's early 80s) would fit though.

> i think some sort of center console in the back would be kinda cool.

Measurement wise, as far as the front's concerned, it looks like the
Camaro FRONT console from the late 70's early 80's will work in the
Front...  Haven't found one worth trying yet.

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:31:43 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Aluminum Heads!

Well, 9 months later and many phone calls to Edelbrock and I got the
first set with a shipping label on them. One of only 20 from an original
150 that were supposed to be shipped back in march! I'm throwing them on
tomorrow. I have to wait on my supplier for the push rods though.
Edelbrock never gave the specs for the new rods, so we had to hassle
them to find that out! For everybody's general info, they are 9.800"
3/8" push rods. With mandatory roller tip rockers and awesome runners
and combustion chamber with huge valves! This is gonna run so smooth and
strong when I finish it. 400 w/ a 268 street/strip cam, headers,
aluminum heads running atleast 12.5:1, performer intake and 750
Edelbrock Q-jet. My desktop dyno says over 400 hp and over 500 ft/lb...
Pretty good for street with close to 18+ mpg highway. After the body
comes a steeper rear and some sort of overdrive. Then my car will be in
my mind the best it can be. if it was closer to stock and in better
condition I would go for stock, but it's not the prettiest so I'm
keeping it Olds, but bigger, stronger, badder, and faster! Wish me luck
and pray for my head work to go smoothly in the morning.

Ben
62 Olds f-85 (for sale still!)
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 olds 442 (project car)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:29:12 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:45:19 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Heads!

>so I'm
>keeping it Olds, but bigger, stronger, badder, and faster!

We have the technology :)



> Wish me luck
>and pray for my head work to go smoothly in the morning.

Good luck, keep us informed .
__
Bob.
'66 Vista Cruiser
(rebuilt, not restored)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:53:03 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

In a message dated 98-08-14 00:55:20 EDT, you write:

<< Looking for info as to "what cars" have a flywheel to fit my 403, it is
used for racing, Also need a recomendation on a clutch for the old girl. Need
to locate it BADLY thanks Tim Wurtz
  >>
     Tim, you probably know that no(?) 403's were made to mate to a standard
transmission? Someone else would know, but I would think any SB Olds flywheel
will work...I'm assuming you are running a standard already? Dorian

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:00:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Your flamed!

Hi Guys!

A question. My '72 Cutlass Supreme has a 350/350 setup, but we blew away a
Porche! OK, may be the guy did not know how to drive, but Im still very
proud of Junior. ;) We have also blown away Mustang GTs etc.

Are the blocks for years through '72/73 different than later blocks? Or is
it just because Im not used to a 455 yet? ;) Hehehe!

Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:25:20 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

>   >>
>      Tim, you probably know that no(?) 403's were made to mate to a standard
> transmission? Someone else would know, but I would think any SB Olds flywheel
> will work...I'm assuming you are running a standard already? Dorian


Hmmmm.  The FAQ says that all engines built after `74 are drilled for a
pilot bushing.  Is the 403 an exeption?  Or is there something else that
has to be done to mate to a manual tranny?

Just curious....

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:21:35 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

No 403's were made to mate to a standard transmission?

Wrong.  And if I were to venture an educated guess, due to the broad-lined
popularity of the 403, I'd say they ~all~ had a pilot hole drilled.  Mine did.
It was out of a Trans Am, though.  I've heard that most do.  I'd still like to
find flywheel info, though...  I'll be needing one, someday...



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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:29:58 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

In a message dated 98-08-14 02:22:09 EDT, you write:

<< Hmmmm.  The FAQ says that all engines built after `74 are drilled for a
 pilot bushing.  Is the 403 an exeption?  Or is there something else that
 has to be done to mate to a manual tranny?

 Just curious....

 Greg Pruett >>
     According to Hollanders, there are no cars with a 403 that were bolted to
a manual transmission that I could find. Even the Diesels put in GMC trucks
(the 5.7 litres) weren't put up to manual transmissions. Doesn't the FAQ say
after '74 AREN'T drilled? Too lazy to look there, but I was thinking of
putting a later 455 in my truck, and remember thinking I would have to get the
crank drilled...Dorian

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:35:48 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

In a message dated 98-08-14 02:28:07 EDT, you write:

<< No 403's were made to mate to a standard transmission?

 Wrong.  And if I were to venture an educated guess, due to the broad-lined
 popularity of the 403, I'd say they ~all~ had a pilot hole drilled.  Mine
did.
 It was out of a Trans Am, though.  I've heard that most do.  I'd still like
to
 find flywheel info, though...  I'll be needing one, someday...
  >>

   Not saying my book can't be wrong, or isn't, but the TA isn't even
listed..only the Firebird, and only up to 400. Were they actually all 403's
then, just called 400's by Pontiac so they could keep saying 400? The Firebird
400 IS listed as having a manual transmission from '77-79.....what other
performance or cheap application did the 403 go in that would have had a
manual trans? None that I can think of...no Chev's or GMC's got them, and we
all know they are bottom line, and Auto's were considered luxury during that
time period....so only performance or cheapies got manuals then right?
Dorian

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:46:14 EDT
From: <DUKEOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1425

How would I go about finding the specs for a 200 -4R trans from an '87 442?

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:04:58 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A great injustice?

I would put the wing on. I think it ads character to the car. Some of the
cars came from the factory with the wing and looked fine.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: A great injustice?
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 9:59 AM
>
> >I be doing a great injustive by outfitting the car with a rear
> >spoiler...you 69 H/O type or I believe it was titled the W-35 option
> >(don't crucify me if I'm wrong on this one)?  Now, the car will stay the
> >orig. royal Tropy blue color with the parchment white roof and
> >interior...but I just think the spolier makes it look excellent.  I know
> >this is totally a matter of opinion...but I trust you guys...what do
> >y'all think?
> >
>
> I think it would look nice :)
> __
> Bob.
> '66 Vista Cruiser
> (rebuilt, not restored)

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:12:32 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Your flamed!

>A question. My '72 Cutlass Supreme has a 350/350 setup,>
>Are the blocks for years through '72/73 different than later blocks? Or is
it just because Im not used to a 455 yet? ;) Hehehe!

>Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)


Hi Kim,

Ok, you just blew my mind away too! (not hard to do at 4:00am)

Does Junior have a 350 or a 455?  THM350 or THM400?

Boy, mind games are fun!
Randy

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:49:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Camshaft's

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 DYeager535@AOL.COM wrote:
> Hi everyone, more questions as usual : ) Has ANYONE out there put a .474+ 
lift
> cam in a small block Olds that wasn't originally a .474+ lift without 
changing
> the valve springs or pushrods?

I can't speak for .474 lift, but I changed the stock .400 lift cam in
mine for one with .440 lift and didn't need to change anything other than
lifters, rockers and pivots, and gaskets.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:46:39 -0700
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Olds model Stuff

	
	ERTL has a web site that list their current, in store, and archived
cars. They also list related items. The URL is:

	http://www.ertltoys.com/homepage.cfm
<http://www.ertltoys.com/homepage.cfm>

	Bobby

	70 442 Escape Back to  the...Past

	-----Original Message-----


		>I'm looking for a ERTL 69 hurst model and can't find one.
If anyone knows
	of
		>one let me know. Thanks Chris


	I bought one this May at the Yankee Candle Factory Car Museum in
Mass. If that's too far for you try:
	The Ertl Company, Inc.
	Dyersville, Iowa 52040

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:40:05 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Grilles for '79 Cutlass

I have on NOS GM $50 if interested E me privately

thanks

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


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> From: Justin Brickey <cutlass260@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Grilles for '79 Cutlass
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 11:12 PM
>
> My '79 Cutlass Supreme is currently being restored. I am having a hard
> time finding grilles to replace mine with. The chrome paint, or whatever
> coating it is, is flaking pretty badly on mine.  Does anyone know where
> or how I can get new grilles, or at least make mine look new?
>
> Justin Brickey
> '79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:49:45 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: FS 75 4-4-2

So I'm sitting down last night watching tv and finishing dinner and the
wife says "I saw a 4-4-2 for sale today"!!!  So I go 'R-R-R' in my best
Tim Allen voice.  She explains it was primer gray and had 1 row of
louvers on the hood, needed front seat upholstry and the rear quarters
are worse than the ones on my W-31.  so I'm thinking a 67.  We'll after
showing her some pictures to try and determine the year she says we can
take a ride out there now and look.  You don't have to tell me twice, so
we hope ion the car and go.  Well, it turns out it is actually a 75 that
was pretty rough.  according to the vin (3G37K5M...) it is a 350 4bbl
and it has buckets and SSIII.  And she was right about the rear quarters
they are SHOT.  The hood looks to be the only thing good sheetmetal wise
and maybe the front quarters, but remember I was looking at it at night.
 It looks like it has been sitting for a little while, since there are
spider webs on two of the wheels.  I shined my flashlight inside and
noticed there was more or less no driver front floor pan.  There was no
price or phone number but it was sitting at someone's house.  If someone
is interested, I can get more details and a price, name and number.  If
I had to guess from looking at it last night, I would say it's about a
$500 parts car, but I'm not an aficionado of the 73-77 era, so don't
quote me on the price.
The other thing about this is I've now got the wife looking for cars for
me  :-)
Guess the next thing I need to do is teach her to break down vins .....
:),

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31 currently under the knife for tranny work
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:53:06 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Magnum Rockers

I got the Magnum Rocker kit from summit last April and put them on my 455
and I am very satisfied with them also.  They told me the same thing about
the Edelbrock Performer too. I got from Joe for $280 bucks, if summit had
them in stock I would have paid $199 bucks. I was pretty mad a Joe for this
and said that I would not buy anything else from him until he gets his high
price @## together.
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
14 Wins 11 Losses
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Ed Binnix [SMTP:comid@jellico.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, August 13, 1998 2:44 PM
	To:	Olds list
	Subject:	Magnum Rockers

	I bought the Magnum Rocker kit from Summit for my soon to be built
455.
	Mondello says the pushrods are wrong in this kit. I've seen guys on
the list
	that have used this kit. I'll admit that I'm suspect of some of the
things
	Mondello's shop says (i.e. we've got the only Edelbrock Performers
cause
	they're being discontinued). I suspect in this case that they want
to be the
	only company that sells the "right" pushrods, by declaring that
everyone
	else's are wrong. What are your experiences with the Comp Cams kit
out there
	in Oldsmoland?

	

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