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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 8 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1413



Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio
Re: TH 400
Re: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)
Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)
Re: "Smart" Q-jet mods (was 307 to 403 swap)
Re: Y72 Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
Re: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?
Re: 115 Octane Gas
humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov
Re: 115 Octane Gas
Re: Anybody have the Nitewatch option?
Fwd: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov
Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov
Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov
Ooops!
Re: 115 Octane Gas
Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov
Re: More Olds on TV/in film
Re: Am I fooling myself? (even longer)
Re: More Olds on TV/in film
Rectangular AC duct behind the dash pad
Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio
FE3X Website and Major Renovation to mine
Correction
Re: "Smart" Q-jet mods (was 307 to 403 swap)
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Neat trick/option that works...
Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio
Toro T Shirt
Re:  hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???
Re:  G-Body emblem query
Re:  Neat trick/option that works...
Who's married to whom
A/C from 72 442 4sale
Re: Neat trick/option that works...
I've got to be crazy
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?
Re: 69 OAI
DMR Olds meet
Re: 69 OAI
Re: 69 OAI
Far to many messages...can't keep up...help!!!
Re: Looking for Decals - More info
Comfortron system
Re: Looking for Decals - More info
Re: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: I've got to be crazy
Re: No mail
Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?
Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio
Re: Comfortron system

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:05:34 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> Wasn't someone here looking for an FM radio for a Toronado the other
> day?  There is one for sale on the ebay auction site.

Please disregard this message.  My eyes are playing tricks on me and I
thought I saw the word Toronado.  Turns out that I didn't.  I must have
had a rougher day at work than I thought I had.  Sorry for the
confusion,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:49:41 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: TH 400

yeah I know when I was in the Air Force a short 6 months ago we used a wheel
chock to fix a loading support strut on a c 141 in antarctica
then proceeded to fly another one back from the same place with the landing
gear down and the doors in the cargo bay the navy commander ordered 2' of
snow on the runway so the ski herks would have a better surface but as a
zoomy once told me you always go with the newer plane even if your herk has
bailing wire and speed tape holding it together I'll still fly on it before
I'll take another ride on the "newer" 141 that has to RTB every other
mission due to mechanical failure and nobody could figure out how to do a
reasonable temp fix...kk oh almost forgot the olds content  I have a 69
442...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Swick <swickka@pa.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: TH 400


>
>Kerry ... kerry ... kerry .... I still fix and fly those outdated, outmoded
>aircraft.
>1963 EC-130's in particular ... it is fix as best as you can and go safely
>until
>the real parts are found.
>
>Actually my 66 442 and 69 Cutlass often get home-manufactured parts until
>the real stuff is found. Please don't put the mark of el-cheapo on our
>precious uncle Sam.
>
>Ken Swick
>swickka@pa.net
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:54:41 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)

you get em' when removing the things too if you dont use care...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Joe's Great 455 Saga (Good news/bad news)


>t threads." >>
>>
>>Ummm.
>>OK Karl VERY ignant. Why would the throws have rod bolt scratches?
>>OK!
>>Alright!
>>Karl not know what a "throw" is.
>
>You get these scratches on the crank by installing pistons/rods without
>covering the rod bolts with ruber hose ect.
>Those heat treated bolts just love to opertunity to gouge a freshly
>machined crank.
>Evil little things really.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:25:52 EDT
From: <SrDiet442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Attn: OCA Members! (Important) (fwd)

Brad,

  1983 Corvette was the missing year.

  I thought OCA Nationals were in Texas in 1999 & New Jersey in 2000 ???

  Steve Dietrich
    71 442 W30 Conv.
      S/E PA

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:10:02 -0400
From: "Angel Castrodad" <angleki@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: "Smart" Q-jet mods (was 307 to 403 swap)

Hello fellow brothers.

	I was wondering the other day about carb options for my current 307 
(Vin 9)
and for my 307 proyect ( I know, I should've gotten a 455, but hey< it was
free!!) and decided to keep my "smart" Q-jet for my '86 442 and go with a
"less smart"(read:no computer) Q-jet for my project. Mostly because I think
that Q-jets most be the best dual purpouse carbs around.

	Now responding to:

>My 307's electronic Q-jet, after a few small >modifications, is
>running just fine with a 455.  I recently averaged
>20.58 mpg U.S., on a 2
>way highway run averaging 65 mph,

......Was were the modifications that you made Mr. Wong and can you please
tell your sources?
Does anyone else have any recomendations for either of the carbs as to mods
or tricks when they get rebuilt?

BTW, how hard is it to rebuild a Q-jet? For someone that has only seen the
inside of a carb through its bores.

Thanks any and everyone,

Angel Castrodad
angleki@prtc.net
'86 442-----> 307 H.O. (5A), TH-350 (not my fault,previous owner), 3.73
rear......Ooooh, T-tops !!!!

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:26:40 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Y72 Heavy Duty Engine Cooling

flynt myrick wrote:
>
> List members,
>   If a 1969 442 was ordered with air conditioning(C60), did it
> automatically come with the Y72 heavy duty engine cooling equipment
> option?  If not, how can I tell if my car has the Y72 option?
>  Thanks in advance,
>
> Flynt Myrick

No.  Heavy-Duty Engine-Cooling Equipement (option Y72) is a separate
option from the Four-Season Air Conditioner (option C60).  Option Y72
included: Heavy-Duty radiator and water pump, Thermo-Cool engine fan,
and 55-ampere Delcotron.  Price with C60 was $21.06, price without C60
was $57.93.  I think the standard and A/C radiators were three core,
heavy duties were 4 core.  Water pump, fan clutch and 55 amp alternator
were all part of the A/C package, so the price difference must have been
mostly the larger radiator.  This option may have included a coolant
overflow bottle.  It was part of the package in '72, don't know what
year they started it.

Paul (who now realizes that the junk yard Vista Cruiser he got his
overflow bottle from had a 4 core radiator that he didn't get!)
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:39:18 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: JL's '80 350 has the shakes. A cure?

Well I think I cured the skakes...again :-) Ah the wonders of Gumout Carb
Cleaner.  I thoroughly cleaned the carb tonight, got alot of black crap to 
shoot
out my exhaust in the process.  I also set my idle up some as it was idling at
350-400 rpm..barely running.  Well those two things combined have totally
eliminated the motor shaking at idle.  My EGR valve must be really messed up
inside.  I went to hook the vacuum line back on it...wasn't on there a matter 
of
5 sec and the car choked and died.  Looks like that thing is coming off 
afterall
:-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7565

><< when it gets up to operating temp it lopes as if it has a cam and will
>occasionally stall if it is in gear  >>
>
>In "RocketTalk" I made an educated guess, and this bit clinches it.
>
>JL did not give the entire details of his detailing.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:33:24 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

> Pricey?  Geez, I wish our racing fuel was that cheap! (we pay around $4.00 
for
> Sunoco leaded high octane)  Here's an idea to consider: mix this stuff with

Here in So. Cal. I can buy 100 Octane Unleaded for around $4.00 - $5.00 per
gallon.Definitely not something you would want to spend on for a daily driver.

> some premium unleaded, if you're not worried about running the alky-gas

What could I possibly worry about?  I am not familiar with the chemistry of
themixture to understand the ramifications.

> combination.  When we were racing Grace as a street stock (9.0 to 1 engine) 
we
> used to mix Amoco premium unleaded 50/50 with Sunoco high octane and ran 
quite
> well.

Well isn't this a gas-gas mixture?

> Just my opinion, and you know how those are................

Oh don't tempt me with the remaining part of that line! :-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:59:56 EDT
From: <MFATZII@aol.com>
Subject: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

This month's Playboy issue had some cool internet stuff I hadn't seen
before.....thought I'd pass it long...

(_!_)        regular @ss
(__!__)     fat @ss
(!)            tight @ss
(_._)        flat @ss
(_^_)        bubble @ss
(_*_)        sore @ss
(_o_)        @ss that's been around
(_x_)        kiss my @ss
(_$_)        money out the @ss
(_?_)         dumb @ss

and my favorite   (_E=mc2_)     smart @ss

Now for the question.....Why is it that a starter has to turn the motor so
many times in order for the car/truck to start, but when (pretend the battery
is dead and no cables are available) you push start the car/truck it seems to
fire up way faster?

and now for olds in movies....You all have seen the white 77 in Desperado
right?.....I wish I still had mine  :(

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
89 Chevy Beretta CL

   888                888
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8      8           8       8
    8  8               8   8           LIVES
  8      8           8       8
8          8       8           8
  8     8            8       8
    888                888

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:07:07 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

I'm far from an expert on this, but my understanding is that any significant
quantity (i.e., more than, say, 10%)  of ethanol in a gas mix wreaks havoc
with the valves in time.  The amount of time it takes depends on the volume
of ethanol.

In fact, at the gas station selling the Ethanol 85% 115 Octane, they have
the pump handles hooded and make customers come inside before pumping the
stuff.  Once inside, they let you know you can pump it if you want but your
totally at your own risk because it will ruin a standard engine.  I think
they even require a signed release if you pump it into a vehicle not
designed to run it.

What's tempting, though, is to try maybe a gallon or so in a mix with
premium unleaded, as Ken Snyder mentioned.

- -----Original Message-----


>> Anyway, I know better than to run that stuff in my 350 or 455, but for a
>> quick second there I thought I stumbled onto something really good.  Oh
>
>Why can't you run this stuff?
>
>--
>Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:11:58 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Anybody have the Nitewatch option?

Cote, Jeffrey wrote:
>
> I just recently bought 2 Nitewatch options (I only need one, but they are so
> rare...)
> and I'm trying to figure out how to connect it. Anyone out there have one
> that can
> explain how I should go about this? Thanks.
>
> Jeff Cote

Jeff,

All I have is a '72 Shop manual.  I assume you're putting this on a
A-body.  Nitewatch wasn't available on A-bodies in '72, but the shop
manual will give a pretty good idea what goes where.  I think the
Nitewatch switch mounts under the dash on the left side of the steering
column, near where the hood lock release would go.  There's a wiring
connector with two orange wires that attaches to the switch.  There's an
amplifier assembly that must go under the dash somewhere, don't know
where.  There are two connectors that plug into the amplifier.  One
should be light blue and orange, the other should be dark blue and
orange.  On the dimmer switch, remove the light blue wire from the
connector and attach it to the light blue wire connector in the
Nitewatch harness.  Insert the bare connector on this end of the
Nitewatch harness into the empty opening on the dimmer switch
connector.  The power plug in (this may be orange, unsure) from the
Nitewatch system plugs into the "Bat" opening on the fuse block (between
the courtesy and wiper fuses).  The dark blue wire goes through the fire
wall and plugs onto the oil pressure switch and the lead from the
Nitewatch system plugs into the connector that was formerly on the oil
pressure switch.  Have I lost you yet?  Your best bet would be to get a
shop manual, as there are illustrations and wiring diagrams that would
explain this better than I can here.  Anyway, if you hook this up as I
have above, it should work, providing everything is working OK.  If you
are unclear about this, please email me privately and I can try and
explain further.  Also, the shop manual has a diagnostic section for the
Nitewatch, so if it's not working properly, let me know and we'll go
over the diagnostics.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:14:37 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Fwd: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

> This month's Playboy issue had some cool internet stuff I hadn't seen
> before.....thought I'd pass it long...
>
> (_!_)        regular @ss

> (__!__)     fat @ss

> (!)            tight @ss

> (_._)        flat @ss

> (_^_)        bubble @ss

> (_*_)        sore @ss

> (_o_)        @ss that's been around

> (_x_)        kiss my @ss

> (_$_)        money out the @ss

> (_?_)         dumb @ss
>
> and my favorite   (_E=mc2_)     smart @ss
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:15:17 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>
> This month's Playboy issue had some cool internet stuff I hadn't seen
> before.....thought I'd pass it long...
>
> (_!_)        regular @ss
> (__!__)     fat @ss
> (!)            tight @ss
> (_._)        flat @ss
> (_^_)        bubble @ss
> (_*_)        sore @ss
> (_o_)        @ss that's been around
> (_x_)        kiss my @ss
> (_$_)        money out the @ss
> (_?_)         dumb @ss
>
> and my favorite   (_E=mc2_)     smart @ss

Thought you'd get a charge out of this,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:16:07 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>
> This month's Playboy issue had some cool internet stuff I hadn't seen
> before.....thought I'd pass it long...
>
> (_!_)        regular @ss
> (__!__)     fat @ss
> (!)            tight @ss
> (_._)        flat @ss
> (_^_)        bubble @ss
> (_*_)        sore @ss
> (_o_)        @ss that's been around
> (_x_)        kiss my @ss
> (_$_)        money out the @ss
> (_?_)         dumb @ss
>
> and my favorite   (_E=mc2_)     smart @ss

Thought you'd get a charge out of this.  How's the new floor mats look
in your car?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:23:16 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Ooops!

Sorry about those posts.  Thought I had deleted the list.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:19:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas

alchohol only attacks the rubber parts in the fuel system causing them to
dry out faster than normal
strike one

it also will effect any type of gas tank liner causing it to roll up into
little balls and clog any and all parts of the fuel system ie. all filters
screens lines etc it is introduced to
strike two

however alchohol burns cooler thus causing the engine to run cooler
ball one

alchohol creates more horse power than gasoline because it burns cleaner and
thus more completely
ball two

there is no additive to provide lubricant for the valves
OTOH there is no additive in unleaded either
ball three

carbs can be modified to run on alky they do it in racing all the time
and these engines see hard use and the ones I've seen are not the worse for
wear you be the judge the count is full.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Fred Orcutt <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: 115 Octane Gas


>I'm far from an expert on this, but my understanding is that any
significant
>quantity (i.e., more than, say, 10%)  of ethanol in a gas mix wreaks havoc
>with the valves in time.  The amount of time it takes depends on the volume
>of ethanol.
>
>In fact, at the gas station selling the Ethanol 85% 115 Octane, they have
>the pump handles hooded and make customers come inside before pumping the
>stuff.  Once inside, they let you know you can pump it if you want but your
>totally at your own risk because it will ruin a standard engine.  I think
>they even require a signed release if you pump it into a vehicle not
>designed to run it.
>
>What's tempting, though, is to try maybe a gallon or so in a mix with
>premium unleaded, as Ken Snyder mentioned.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>>> Anyway, I know better than to run that stuff in my 350 or 455, but for a
>>> quick second there I thought I stumbled onto something really good.  Oh
>>
>>Why can't you run this stuff?
>>
>>--
>>Chris Sparks
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:21:47 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov

Why the triple tap on this stuff?

very funny. Got the joke all three times
- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
To: VRHMGH@aol.com <VRHMGH@aol.com>; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: humor (non olds) / question / olds in mov


>MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> This month's Playboy issue had some cool internet stuff I hadn't seen
>> before.....thought I'd pass it long...
>>
>> (_!_)        regular @ss
>> (__!__)     fat @ss
>> (!)            tight @ss
>> (_._)        flat @ss
>> (_^_)        bubble @ss
>> (_*_)        sore @ss
>> (_o_)        @ss that's been around
>> (_x_)        kiss my @ss
>> (_$_)        money out the @ss
>> (_?_)         dumb @ss
>>
>> and my favorite   (_E=mc2_)     smart @ss
>
>Thought you'd get a charge out of this.  How's the new floor mats look
>in your car?
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:40:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: More Olds on TV/in film

Hi Everyone!

I have watched quite a bit of TV this week since I have contracted this
nasty summer cold. Im the only one I know that can catch a cold in the
middle of this #$%# Dallas 105 degree heat.

I spotted the following:

1. I watched a neat cop show from possibly the late 60's to early 70's
(??? this was the first time I saw it) called Hawaii Five O. In several
scenes they had the most beautiful light metallic blue Toro. Now I have to
have one. This darn Olds bug! ;)

2. I watched another cool cop show (again for the first time, possibly mid
70's?) called Vegas I think. It had a very young Robert Urich driving a
cute 50's T-b!rd. There were several scenes with different Oldsies. They
were all in the 70's and I saw a couple of 98's and a 74-76 Cutlass
Supreme.

Im driving my friends crazy now because everytime I see an Olds on TV I
have to point it out. ;)

Kim, wishing she could drive Junior to the car show rather than the
Doctors Office....

kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu
Dallas, Texas
Junior, '72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:56:18 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Am I fooling myself? (even longer)

<snip>  I had planned on getting a professional paint job but I won't have
the money
>for it. All the articles I read on painting your own car make it sound
>reasonable to do myself - but this is one task  I've never tried before.
I'm
>not aiming for a #1 car, just a nice daily driver. For those of you out
there
>who have painted cars before, am I fooling myself by thinking I can do a
>decent job?

Not really. Painting is pretty much like welding - simple concept, but takes
practice to master.

Recommendations from a back-yard do-it-yerselfer:

1) Read kk's reply. All that he says is 100% true.
2) Get a book on the subject at the auto parts store. They cover the basics.
3) Find a really competent professional paint supplier. They know the ins &
outs better than anyone, and can be a wealth of info, especially on the
hi-tech paints.
4) Buy only professional grade stuff. Hardware store masking tape sucks. $50
Sears sprayers are OK for lawn furniture, but not your Olds.
5) Buy more material than you need, especially thinner (reducer) for
cleanup.
6) PRACTICE. Paint the lawn tractor, the trash can, whatever. The whole
route - primer thru topcoat. I use sheets of old Formica or metal cookie
sheets for practice.
7) Use a garage. Wind, bugs and dust outdoors is a drag, especially with
slow drying paints (including urethane clear). I'll show you the spot where
a moth got stuck in mine...
8) And remember - the final coat will never look better than the primer.

>What about using a
>HVLP sprayer? These sprayers are said to be easier to use but what about
the
>quality of the finished product?


The pro's all use HVLP now. They make far less overspray and therefore use
less paint. But.. $$$, and I'm not sure all paints are compatible with them.
Ask your paint supplier.

Dave C.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:59:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: More Olds on TV/in film

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Kimberly Ann Wandrey wrote:
> 1. I watched a neat cop show from possibly the late 60's to early 70's
> (??? this was the first time I saw it) called Hawaii Five O. In several
> scenes they had the most beautiful light metallic blue Toro. Now I have to
> have one. This darn Olds bug! ;)

Oh, Kim, now you've really made me feel old! Book her, Danno... ;-)

Actually this is all non-Olds, but McGarret's '68 Merc is featured in
Collectible Automobile this month, which also has an article on the
'37-'38 Oldses (hey, I found some Olds content after all!).

> 2. I watched another cool cop show (again for the first time, possibly mid
> 70's?) called Vegas I think. It had a very young Robert Urich driving a
> cute 50's T-b!rd. There were several scenes with different Oldsies. They
> were all in the 70's and I saw a couple of 98's and a 74-76 Cutlass
> Supreme.

Groan... another shot of feeling ancient. Robert Urich is a favored
performer of mine. Liked Vega$, liked Spenser a lot more, even though he
drove F*rds in both...

I love watching old 70's reruns on cable. The best television show ever
made, The Rockford Files, is unfortunately not playing on any of the
channels I get right now, but it was one of the best for seeing neat cars
you wished you had now. But even the old Columbo reruns give you a few
good spottings now and then...

Hope your cold is feeling better. Watch out for that A/C!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:08:57 -0500
From: texas442 <texas442@flash.net>
Subject: Rectangular AC duct behind the dash pad

Hello everyone,

I am in the process of replacing the dash pad on a '71 442.  I noticed
that the rectangular air conditioning duct behind the dash is in very
poor shape, and in some areas it is torn.  It is basically a very thin
rectangular cardboard duct that is reinforced by a stiff wire.  I like
to replace it if possible.

Does any one know if this rectangular duct is still available?
Are there any after market reproduction that may work?
Also, I like to hear from some of you who replaced dash pads on similar
cars.  Are there any special tricks to installing the dash pad back
properly?  It took me almost a full day just to take it off.

Ali

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:17:43 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio

That would be me...  for my 67 Toronado...  Thanks a bunch!!

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> Wasn't someone here looking for an FM radio for a Toronado the other
> day?  There is one for sale on the ebay auction site.  Go to:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24501741
>
> It's for a '68, but it should also fit '66 and '67, which is what I
> thought the person in question was looking for...
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net

- --
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST	ICQ#12362327

http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
bladernr@roava.net 	EMTBoy9@aol.com

Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer
Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.
Salem, VA

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and
corruption is a sin, so if you seek knowledge,
you will burn in hell. . ."

- ------------------Carpe Noctum------------------

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:42:25 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: FE3X Website and Major Renovation to mine

I added a FE3X page to my site, and hopefully everybody sends me information
to put on it.  It's at
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7/fe2x.html.

Also, I've relocated my website to tripod because I ran out of space on AOL.
I've renovated everything on my site, added pictures, cars, a new layout for
browsing, and added Gallery 8 in my AutoArt section.  Be sure to check out
everything, and the new address for my site is at the bottom.

Joe Sherbanenko
FE3X- http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7/fe3x.html
My site- http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7/

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:46:46 EDT
From: <JCRASH7@aol.com>
Subject: Correction

The address for the FE3X page is
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7/fe3x.html

Sorry,
Joe

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: "Smart" Q-jet mods (was 307 to 403 swap)

> ......Was were the modifications that you made Mr. Wong and can you please
> tell your sources?

Most of my changes came from "Rochester Carburetors" by Doug Roe.
The 455 was initially started using all the stock 307 settings.  Since
this engine has an Edelbrock camshaft, low speed vacuum characteristics
changed dramatically from stock, so it was necessary to adjust the
idle screw and ILC plunger to open the throttle much more (in the order of
3 whole turns) so the engine could idle.  Although it would run
satisfactorily with these settings, the off-idle vacuum ports were out of
alignment with respect to the throttle blades, so devices like EGR or
the fuel vapour recovery system could potentially function (it didn't
however) at idle due to the vacuum signal.  In any case, I followed
the advice in the aforementioned book and drilled a 3/32" hole in each
primary throttle blades.  Now that the idle position of the throttle
blades was closer to stock, the off-idle discharge slots were not able to
feed as much mixture, and the small "smogger" idle discharge ports weren't
able to deliver the required amount of fuel at idle vacuum levels (in
drive) despite backing the needles all the way out.  I drilled out this
holes to 0.094", which is close to what was used with pre-emissions
Quadrajets.  My current idle mixture setting is 4.5 turns, which produces
about a 60% M/C duty cycle at idle (700 RPM) in drive.  Each time the
position of the throttle blades was changes, I had to readjust the TPS and
reset the ECM.

Initially, I installed (fairly rich) "DG" secondary metering rods in place
of the pathetic "DD" rods (they don't make them much leaner!).
Using O2 sensor values only as a guide during WOT (they're not too
responsive this far from a stoichiometric mixture) and subsequently
reading the spark plugs, it appeared that it was leaning out slightly,
above 4000 RPM.  I purchased an AC-Delco rebuild kit and a new float
assembly (the 10.5 year old carburetor was previously untouched).  I set
the float to 8/32" instead of 11/32".  As per Doug Roe's book, I drove the
secondary air bleeds inwards so they protruded 1" below the air horn.  The
inlet valve was already of the 0.135" variety, as was the replacement that
came with the rebuild kit.  Then, I installed a set of brand new "AU"
secondary rods.  The mixture now is a touch on the rich side under 3500
RPM, and seems OK at 5000 RPM.  Oh, and I bent the secondary air valve
stop to allow "full" travel.  Down the road, I'll probably modify the
linkage so the secondaries open a bit sooner, since some leanness (quite
minor) is felt at the point just before they are set to open.  I don't
know if larger primary jets are available for electronic Q-jets (they have
a "76" on them).  Perhaps I need to play with the M/C solenoid
adjustments, but then the part throttle duty cycle is already close to
70%.  Anyone have any ideas?

> BTW, how hard is it to rebuild a Q-jet? For someone that has only seen the
> inside of a carb through its bores.

It is quite easy - just work meticulously and methodically!

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:57:17 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> > 1. Will the Oil Pan from the 307 fit the 403 should the 403 pan not fit
> > correctly.  Or WHICH 403 Oil Pan will fit the Cutlass?
>
> The Oil pan will fit

Will it be needed?  I know with most Fords I've worked with, the pan
that came with the car, most often has to stay with the car.

> > 3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
> > a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?
>
> The manifolds you have now will fit the 403

These are the dinky "y" motor manifolds, but a REGULAR old style 9/Y
motor manifold will work?
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:59:30 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

OreOlds64@aol.com wrote:
.
> i hav a lot of 403 heads and blocks too.got some #5 heads too.well i hope
> maybe i helped a little.i race 403 motors every week on a dirt track.i call 
my
> car ole faithful, never lets me down.

Intrested in selling a complete motor?  Just a stock one <G>?  No
expected Hi-Po trick parts needed...  (Planning LATER to get Aluminum
heads, better cam, alum. intake.....)
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:01:53 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

Kevin Wong wrote:

> Quadrajet.  If you're set on using the Holley, you'll have to discard the
> computer controlled distributor.  Why don't you try keeping the computer
> controls?

Mine is nearing that time called rebuild.  And I will be getting the
Holley in trade for some old stereo stuff..  The guy that is trading
with me is rebuilding, and setting the jets properly, and does some
awesome stuff..  ADDED Plus..  This was his race carb.

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:10:40 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@viperlink.net>
Subject: Neat trick/option that works...

I found a mirror from a 97 Cutlass couple days ago.  One of the cool
ones with the interior/reading lights in it, and figured I'd give it a
try...

It fits 100% onto the CURRENT mirror mount.  I have an 87 Cutlass, and
it fit perfect...  Cut and tapped into the interior light circuit, and
bingo, lights.  When you open the door, it lights up both lights, and
shines directly below it, lighting up the entire front seat.  Close the
door, they go out (obviously).  But you can turn the lights on at any
time, like an interior light, and they work, or turn the interior light
on and they come on...

Took a little while to figure out, but black was ground, orange was
constant hot, and white was the door light.

I figured this was a neat idea to pass along, especially to the
convertible guys....

ALSO NOTE:  I am going to be playing with another rear view shortly, one
of the ones seen in the Cadillac Sedan DeVille with the Auto Dimming
feature, and the Compass in the mirror...  Will report my findings.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:09:14 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio

Might could be that Toronado is a good word.  Peter
- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio


>Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't someone here looking for an FM radio for a Toronado the other
>> day?  There is one for sale on the ebay auction site.
>
>Please disregard this message.  My eyes are playing tricks on me and I
>thought I saw the word Toronado.  Turns out that I didn't.  I must have
>had a rougher day at work than I thought I had.  Sorry for the
>confusion,
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:23:58 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Toro T Shirt

All,

This is the preliminary Toro T-Shirt design. This image was scanned off a rough
FAX and posted the to website.

Now, PLEASE keep in mind that this VERY preliminary! There has been much
discussion between myself and the movers and shakers about this with regard to
final design.

The graphic ('66 Toro) is not up for debate, however many other ideas have been
considered.

Some are:

1. Graphic on back with armchair address below and www.toronado.org on left
front. 2. Graphic in front with www.toronado.org below (only) 3. Graphic in
front or back with armchair/toro above and below. 4. The list is endless as far
as ths goes.

Like I said, the graphic itself, is not up for debate, but which/where the the
two/one addresse(s) and the logo appear is up for discussion..

We also are leaning 'twords a dk blue shirt with a TWO color print (light blue
and white).

I, IMHO, would like a shirt with a front pocket (for my pocket protector and
smokes) but, that may raise the cost overall. However, I don't want to
influence anyone either way. It's a nice place to hang your credentials at
shows/meets regardless if you smoke or are a geek like me! (:

So, take a look!

http://www.toronado.org/tshirt.jpg

I will forward all suggestions to Cory Correll (the artist/manufacturer) and
Doug Kitchener, feedback-wise.

Actually, we have a leg up on the Toronado Chapter on this as there are so few
(balance-wise) TC members on the list. So.... WE are in the drivers seat here.
Although, I'm sure when then the T-shirt catches on, 200 more folks will be
knocking at the silkscreen door! (:

This will still take time, I'm sure, to get this in final production. However,
my feeling is they will be GREAT stocking stuffers for X-mas! (: HO HO HO!

Sparky
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:38:48 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  hey.. g-bodies--Tom--Jason--Mike--John--???

Definetly sounds like a carb problem. I'm not if adjusting the carb is the
cure though. What I can tell you is this, my car runs better with a working
cat, and I always pop the car into nuetral at lights and such when I have all
the accesories going a/c,lights etc. I find it takes alittle strain off of the
engine, with 135,000k on the clock I wanna baby it as much as I can!
Hope this helps alittle,
John-JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:41:36 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  G-Body emblem query

From what i know my 87 442 is original and the emblem is red

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:08:08 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Neat trick/option that works...

Jerry, have done that to my 87 442 also with T-tops that lighted mirror is a
blessing!

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 00:15:19 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Who's married to whom

>Peter, did you and I marry the same woman? That or you and I are leading
>identical lifes in different parts of the contry. Glad to hear that I am not
>the only person afflicted with the Olds collection syndrom. Chris
>
Oh haha - I get the same thing from the other gender!  As I was sitting
visualizing what will need to be done to get the '72 convert streetworthy,
I heard the "well hon, now you have THREE projects that aren't finished"
not to mention the  "How long is that motor (the 400 for the VC) going to
be in the garage?"  Luckily he's forgotten the SSII's are out there as
well......  The griping about moving the hoods & fenders I have for sale
has died down somewhat.

Sure wish I had a garage I could USE!!



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:32:58 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: A/C from 72 442 4sale

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Selling a complete A/C setup. A/C unit taken off of a 72 Olds 442. It was
working when pulled from vehicle. Either will sell as a complete assembly
or may seperate...

A/C Condenser  - New $295.00  Price $95.00

A/C Evaporator Core - New $155.00  Price $50.00

A/C Compressor - New $195.00  Price $75.00

A/C Vacuum Tank - Price $5.00

POA Sunction Throttling Valve -  New $63.00  Price $25.00

Expansion Valve -  New $30.00   Price $10.00

Heater Control Valve - New $30.00   Price $10.00

Either can seperate or sell as complete unit for $250.00
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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 02:36:22 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Neat trick/option that works...

> ALSO NOTE:  I am going to be playing with another rear view shortly, one
> of the ones seen in the Cadillac Sedan DeVille with the Auto Dimming
> feature, and the Compass in the mirror...  Will report my findings.

I put an auto-dimming in the 83 last year.  Looks really cool.  Doesn't ~work~,
but the "hi/lo" lights up and looks great!  :)  I think the mirrors shot, but 
oh
well...  I've got tinted windows.  And a laser pointer for the ~real~ a**holes
behind me!  :)


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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:47:22 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: I've got to be crazy

Hello list,

There is a question at the end of this so please read on.

Well the '85 Cutlass is coming along slower than anticipated, but I've also
decided to do some extra stuff as the good old "mightaswell".  Right now I
have the front 1/3 of the frame detailed, stripped grease, grime, and
undercoat and painted with POR 15.  I have the whole front suspension off
the car and am awaiting a rebuild kit from PST.

On a side note my younger brother sold his '86 CSB a few months ago and
picked up a nice (for a F*rd) '89 Bronco II.  However he has managed to
find a deal on an '84 Cutlass.  It's got a real nice interior and exterior
(only one small dent and one small rust spot) but it has a dead V6 in it
(seller thinks its a blown head gasket) only $100!!! Whoohoo.  And we might
be able to get a ~free~ '80 or '81 Cutlass in the deal also! So needless to
say we're going to buy the car and perhaps make a budget racer out of it.
I had to find extra garage space for it, as it is my 4 car driveway
currently has 5 cars in it (I have 2 company cars right now) and I have one
car parked in my dad's driveway.  So I found a decent 2 car garage for rent
within walking distance from my house for a decent price.

Getting back to my question on the '84 Cutlass.  The seller thinks it will
start and drive across town to my garage.  However, it needs a new battery
to start up.  With the 6 clyinder, the battery is kind of small.  Will it
hurt anything to use the battery from my '85 Cutlass just for this one
time?  This battery is slightly bigger in size.

Thanks alot.  I've definately got the car bug as I'm finding other places
to store cars and starting to buy cars that have "potential".  Well it's
got to start sometime.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:05:26 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

>Bob Blanchard wrote:


>> > 3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is
now
>> > a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?
>>
>> The manifolds you have now will fit the 403
>
>These are the dinky "y" motor manifolds, but a REGULAR old style 9/Y
>motor manifold will work?

               - Jerry Christopher -


I've seen conflicting reports here about the size of the ports on the
tubular manifolds. Some say they're itty-bitty like the heads they came off
of. Others report they're the same size as the cast ones. I suspect there's
more than one design of them. The cast iron manifolds ( 9 or Y) would be
fine for the 403 though.

drc

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:06:53 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?

All of the Detroit Street Rockets members are opting for DM event at Norwalk.
Not only closer to home but superior track at Norwalk.

Plus Joe wasn't even going to host an event this year and now it just so
happens
that he is and on the same date as Dick already had his locked in on for a
year now.......  Sounds to me like Joe ended up having second thoughts which
is OK but to pick the exact same date as Dick's event is pretty low in my
book.

Counting the days till Sat /Sun. !!!

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:10:53 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 OAI

John,

Try Brycemans want add page www.442.com
There was a source listed offering "69" scoops and hoses (very specific about
being 69's.  Don't remember the name of person/company though. I bought some
aftermarket one's about 4 years ago from a company in IL. but they must have
move or gone under as someone else I refered to them couldn't get in touch
with the phone no. I had. Hope this helps.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:25:05 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: DMR Olds meet

For those in S.E. Michigan .. the first assult of the Detroit Street Rockets
is scheduled to depart for Norwalk at 11:30 am Saturday 8/15 from my house.
Any interested in caravaning down with us are more than welcome. We will be
heading directly to the track to sign up for Sat. brackets and then go to
hotel
(Econolodge in Norwalk) check in and back to the track.
Again if anyone interested in making the trip with us (last year we had 13
cars in
caravan) feel free to email me direct and I can give directions to my house.
Along the way (I-75 South) will make slight detour in Monroe to p/u at least
one
other gent there as well.
Looking forward to eventfull weekend

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:29:29 EDT
From: <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 OAI

In a message dated 98-08-08 10:12:59 EDT, you write:

<< ge www.442.com
 There was a source listed offering "69" scoops and hoses (very specific about
 being 69's.  Don't remember the name of person/company though. I bought some
 aftermarket one's about 4 years ago from a company in IL. but they must have
 move or gone under as someone else I refered to them couldn't get in touch
 with the phone no. I had. Hope this helps.

 Rgds, >>
Try Karl's Corner in Tinley Park Ill, he moved from Worth Ill about a year
ago. His name is Karl Sarplois his new number is  708-614-4906, he has nice
quality repo units


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:43:10 EDT
From: <RPTW32@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 69 OAI

Thanks for info. I got mine from company called Best of Class in IL. Wonder if
Karl you refer to is same. The one's I have are exact copies and even came
with extra lip
molding in stainless steel.  Couldn't have been more pleased with quality...

Rgds,
Rob Thomas

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:36:00 -0400
From: "derricklclark" <derricklclark@email.msn.com>
Subject: Far to many messages...can't keep up...help!!!

I have nearly 10,000 messages,
How do I erase them?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Eldredge <ShawnE@austintx.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Anything for a '72 Cutlass


>Hello all,
>
>I have been a long time "List Reader" and now have something to say.
>Currently I own a 72 C/S named "The Red Ox" anyway here is my point.
>I payed 700 for it not nowing anything about it other then it needed work.
>With the help of a neighbor and the list here is what I have:
>72 c/s
>90,000 origanal? miles
>newly rebuilt th-400
>rocket 350
>automatic on the floor
>bucket seats
>power brakes
>and the last but not least Ac that works!!!!!!!! (The system is still
>holding preasure)
>and in Austin today it was 109 degrees
>mild cancer not rusted through anywhere
>Well thats about it, this is my first project and I have a fairly
>understanding wife so.
>I now have a question does anyone make a kit or whatever to change out the
>rockers
>from using the girdles to using regular rockers so I can use the roller
>rockers
>If I am not using proper termanology I apologize, this is my first resto
>attempt.
>
>Thanks so much for the help.
>SHAWN
>
>
>
>At 04:45 PM 6/9/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>i recently purchased a 1972 cutlass and i am in need of sume parts....at
>>this moment i am lookin' for grilles, interior bench-seats,hood,and a
>>350 rocket engine....i guess i am more like a restoration mechanic other
>>than a regular cutlass owner huh?well anyway i really need these parts
>>at a reasonable price....i live in connecticut and i have no problem
>>either pickin' up the parts or havin' the extra money to have the parts
>>mailed....
>>                                              I need Help,
>>                                                          Keef
>>
>>______________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>>

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:04:57 -0500
From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for Decals - More info

> I guess I should have given more info on these decals before I posted.  I
> bought all of my decals from Mark at the Olds nationals a few weeks ago and
> he did not carry either of those decals.  In fact, while I was purchasing
> my decals somebody else was looking for the Frigidare decal.  I have seen
> both of these decals before, so I know they exist.  I'm not sure if the a/c
> stencil decal was the correct one or not, but it was a a/c service decal of
> some sort.  The decal was clear with white lettering to mimic the white
> stencil.

Anyway, I have tried Fusick, Year-one and brothers for those decals with no
luck.  On some good news, Mark told me he is working on the Frigidare decal.
I have yet to try Jim Osborne, but I did check with the Paddock and they
carry the a/c decals. -Dan

> > <   1) The Frigidare decal for the air conditioner compressor
> >      2) The decal for the back of the air cleaner that talks about the
> >  air cleaner element and stuff (This was originally painted white -
> >  probably a stencile from the factory).
> >   --
>
> >
> > I can put you onto a source for these decals.....
> >
> > But our very own Dr. Decal *might* have these as well, in which case....
> >

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:07:19 +0000
From: bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
Subject: Comfortron system

I sent this once but here goes again.  If anyone has this
cooling/heating system in there car and can testify to it's
durability and reliability please comment.

 This one is for anyone familiar with the Comfortron climate control
system.  My '73 Delta is equipped  with this system.  Is this system
worth fixing or should I replace  the controls with direct
heating/cooling controls.  My concern is  with the durability of the
sensors.  It seems it might be cheaper to  replace Comfortron with
regular controls.  Any thoughts?

 Jim Brady

1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:11:39 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for Decals - More info

try jim osborne reproductions sorry dont have contact info right now....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for Decals - More info


>> I guess I should have given more info on these decals before I posted.  I
>> bought all of my decals from Mark at the Olds nationals a few weeks ago
and
>> he did not carry either of those decals.  In fact, while I was purchasing
>> my decals somebody else was looking for the Frigidare decal.  I have seen
>> both of these decals before, so I know they exist.  I'm not sure if the
a/c
>> stencil decal was the correct one or not, but it was a a/c service decal
of
>> some sort.  The decal was clear with white lettering to mimic the white
>> stencil.
>
>Anyway, I have tried Fusick, Year-one and brothers for those decals with no
>luck.  On some good news, Mark told me he is working on the Frigidare
decal.
>I have yet to try Jim Osborne, but I did check with the Paddock and they
>carry the a/c decals. -Dan
>
>> > <   1) The Frigidare decal for the air conditioner compressor
>> >      2) The decal for the back of the air cleaner that talks about the
>> >  air cleaner element and stuff (This was originally painted white -
>> >  probably a stencile from the factory).
>> >   --
>>
>> >
>> > I can put you onto a source for these decals.....
>> >
>> > But our very own Dr. Decal *might* have these as well, in which
case....
>> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:43:53 EDT
From: <DYeager535@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 403 Swap.

In a message dated 8/8/98 6:06:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
david.cullen@snet.net writes:

<< I've seen conflicting reports here about the size of the ports on the
 tubular manifolds. Some say they're itty-bitty like the heads they came off
 of. Others report they're the same size as the cast ones. I suspect there's
 more than one design of them. The cast iron manifolds ( 9 or Y) would be
 fine for the 403 though.

 drc
  >>

Just looked it up in the Hollanders, and they only fit up until '82, except
some of the Hurst Olds from other years will fit..I knew there was a reason I
thought they wouldn't fit! Dorian

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:02:34 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: I've got to be crazy

a new battery
> to start up.  With the 6 clyinder, the battery is kind of small.  Will it
> hurt anything to use the battery from my '85 Cutlass just for this one
> time?  This battery is slightly bigger in size.

Congrats on the find!  Sounds like you're getting a pretty good collection
going!  (Welcome to the club ;)  No, it won't hurt a thing to have a bigger
battery in there.  I've been running 1000+ CCA's in my Olds's for years without
problems.  The Rockit has a big*ss Megatron top-post in it, sits a bit crooked,
but been great for well over a year now.  You can pull out the charcoal 
canister
and run two batt's, too, if that really turns your crank (haw haw!  Snicker
snicker... Ooh I crack me up!)

Good luck!  (keep us posted!)


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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:57:08 EDT
From: <GraphixRUs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: No mail

Am I still on this list?

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Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:07:11 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?

I will be there with my 69  442 convertible.  Anxious to see what difference
there is with a turbo 400(replacing m21, 4 spd), new cam, new rear end (4.11
from 3.42), recurved dist. and jetted carb

patrickd@wwnet
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason P. Labay <jlabay@ee.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: DMR/JM Olds Nats - Who is Going Where?


>I will be at the Dick Miller Nats ot Norwalk.
>
>Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
>98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
>72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car
>www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/7565
>
>>Topic says it all.  Who is going to the Dick Miller or Mondello Nationals
>>on August 16th..
>
>

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:35:58 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Toro Wonderbar Radio

Jeffrey lane wrote:
>
> That would be me...  for my 67 Toronado...  Thanks a bunch!!

Don't thank me yet, that's NOT a Toronado radio.  My mistake, I was
seeing words that weren't there.  This radio WILL NOT fit your Toro.
Sorry for the confusion,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:52:10 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Comfortron system

bradyiii@shore.intercom.net wrote:
>
> I sent this once but here goes again.  If anyone has this
> cooling/heating system in there car and can testify to it's
> durability and reliability please comment.
>
>  This one is for anyone familiar with the Comfortron climate control
> system.

Uhhhh, I answered this the other day.  Anyway, I have Comforton in my
'67 Ninety Eight.  To the best of my knowledge this car has all its
original parts with the exception of the heater control valve and the
blower motor.  My system works great (knocking wood, crossing fingers).
I think the biggest problem with these systems is vacuum leaks, more so
than defective sensors.  I (and my passengers) are amazed that this
system works so well considering that the technology, as well as most of
the parts, are over 30 years old.  The techinicians in the shop of the
dealership I work for are amazed that this car even has automatic
climate control, 'course, most of them have never seen a real live V8
engine or a carburetor, either.

Anyway, I would repair your Comfortron system, if it needs it, and let
it in the car.  A shop manual should give you all the diagnostic
information you need to find out what the problem is.  Parts should be
available from Fusick or at vendors who go to the OCA Nat's.  I've found
many parts for my Comfortron system, haven't bought any of them 'cause I
haven't needed them.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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