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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 17 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1431



Re: ISO '72 Toro PW Switch (Is '73 same???)
'68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?
Questionable Hurst/Olds
Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
SB 4bbl.intake wanted
Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
Re: 84 442 for sale
Electrical Problem, 1966
Re: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?
Another transparency on Ebay
Re: Olds Artwork
Another Ebay item
Solid motor mounts-72 Cutlass
<no subject>
Re: <no subject>
Re: Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available
Olds Lansing Video Info.
Re: Olds model Stuff & Parts Cars
Re: Another transparency on Ebay
Re:  84 442 for sale
'77 Cutlass 5-Speed Information?
Re: 84 442 for sale
Re:  Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds
Attention all 81-88 "G" body members.
Re: wheels...how big???
unsubscribe
Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch
Re: Trans Operation temp
Re: Registry/ reply
1/4 mile tech help
RE: 307 to 403 Swap.
RE: 307 to 403 Swap.
Re: Richard Petty HotWheels Oldsmobile
Re: 40/60 seats!?!
Re: WAS Re: 403 olds flywheel/clutch..now just 403
One great Burnout Comp!
Hello, not getting any mail........
Re: 40/60 seats!?!
Trans fluid leak from tail shaft
Re: Solid motor mounts-72 Cutlass
Re: Car Probs was Re: Separating out the Olds from the ...
Re: Trans fluid leak from tail shaft
Re: wheels...how big???
Re: 84 442 for sale
Re: 84 442 for sale
Re: 76-79 Omega
Holly Pro Jection,125 NOS 4sale
Misdated 442's, H/O's, etc...
Re: Registry/ reply
Re: 84 442 for sale
engine build questions!!! LONG
oil pan color / cutlass factory horse
Re : Re: wheels...how big???
350 pistons
Re: 1/4 mile tech help
Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
Re: 40/60 seats!?!
Re: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:05:12 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: ISO '72 Toro PW Switch (Is '73 same???)

I was in the same thinking, doesn't toros have there own list. But probley one
Olds part might fit in another Olds, right? Just my .02 cents.


Oldsmagnet wrote:

> Keeping this cc'd to the list right now, incase anyone can answer this
question. > > I have a '73 Toro that's in process of parting out.  If the door
cluster is the > same, I'd pull it out, etc.  Does anyone know for sure if they
are identical, > similar, close, etc? > > >> I need the power window switch for
a 72 toronado. it is a 4 cluster > >> in the armrest drivers door. > >>
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:18:39 -0400
From: "Loris Scarnecchia" <loris@tir.com>
Subject: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:36:09 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Questionable Hurst/Olds

Ok, checked this puppy out a few minutes ago - definately something
wrong.

VIN reads 2G3AR47N8B2466554

which I take to be a Canadian built (2) , Cutlass Supreme coupe  (R47,
Calais would be K47), with a 350 Diesel (N), built in 1981 (B) at the
Ste. Therese, Quebec plant (2).

The ID plate on the firewall backs this up, as it looks like the
Canadian ID plate shown in my '83 shop manual.  This plate is attached
with hex head screws, not rivets, don't know which is correct.  The tag
reads like this:

04B              152 0050
3AR47              466554
16L 77T               77D

O4B would be the 2nd week (B) of April (04)
152 0050 is the schedule and item number, respectively, whatever they
are
3AR47 is the division, model and body type, Olds Cutlass Supreme coupe
466554 matches the last 6 on the vin
16L, in '81, is for Silver Metallic paint
77T is the vinyl top code, I believe 77 is for maroon
77D is the interior trim code, again I believe 77 is for maroon

The car was unlocked, but the tags inside the drives door were
unreadable.

In the engine compartment, all I can say is that it's a clusterf*ck.
Mickey Mouse air cleaner, Accel distributor, a whole bunch of wires
stuffed into the right front fender, AIR pump missing?  The motor was
painted a light solid blue.  The number cast into the block, directly
above the water pump was 557752 3B.  Couldn't find anything in the FAQ
that matched that.  Heads were 3As, from a 77-80 350?  Could not see in
ID tag on the trans, but noticed that I could see the flywheel and
torque converter.  From the top, I could see writing on the trans case
in that yellow paint that most junk yards use.  It said "82 Pont V6".
Exhaust was (new) dual with a Y after the converter.

Black paint is shot, maroon interior has a few cigarette burns, broken
console lid, good door panels, carpet and headliner, Mickey Mouse third
brake lite on the package shelf.  Spot of rust coming thru in front of
the passenger rear wheel.  Was underneath to look at the exhaust, but
forgot to look at the frame.  Wears Keystone Mags.

Nicely equipped:

Power Windows
Power Locks
6-way Power Seat
Power Trunk
Tilt
Cruise
Defog
Delay Wipers
Gages
Air
Am/Fm Cassette
Lightning Rods
T-tops

Oh and the price was $3995, not $3950.  I figure it's about $3000 too
high...

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:01:38 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

My 1980 442 has 3A heads so it sounds like a 78-80 350.  Really sounds like a
junkyard special car. Probably built from several junk G-bodies. Wouldn't be
shocked if it came back with a salvage title. I agree on that price...maybe 
more
like $3500 to high :-)

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car


>Oh and the price was $3995, not $3950.  I figure it's about $3000 too
>high...
>
>Paul
>--
>Paul Hartlieb
>Myerstown, PA
>mailto:plh@nbn.net
>

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:00:15 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

>The ID plate on the firewall backs this up, as it looks like the
>Canadian ID plate shown in my '83 shop manual.  This plate is attached
>with hex head screws, not rivets, don't know which is correct.  The tag
>reads like this:
>

I have NEVER seen a body tag screwed on.
even low-budget thieves have a pop rivet gun.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:39:14 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

Uh, beg to differ here....maybe it's a late-model ('73-up) thing, but I've
never seen a firewall/cowl plate that WAS riveted on.
Through-the-windshield-on-the-dash, yes, but not the cowl plate.

At 02:00 PM 8/16/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
>>The ID plate on the firewall backs this up, as it looks like the
>>Canadian ID plate shown in my '83 shop manual.  This plate is attached
>>with hex head screws, not rivets, don't know which is correct.  The tag
>>reads like this:
>>
>
>I have NEVER seen a body tag screwed on.
>even low-budget thieves have a pop rivet gun.
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:36:08 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

> VIN reads 2G3AR47N8B2466554

I wonder how Canada laws have affected this thing...  Canadian folks feel free
to jump in here, but supposedly Canadian cars don't need titles, ownership is
transferred by bill of sale only...  Tidbit of info to ponder.

> Canadian ID plate shown in my '83 shop manual.  This plate is attached
> with hex head screws, not rivets, don't know which is correct.

Sounds like a switched tag, if the H/O is real.  The hex screws ~are~ correct
(Bob) for the body code tag.  They're most likely either 9/32 or 5/16 screws.
(been awhile...)  I don't know if these are put on before painting, or put on
wet, or what, but mine here has spotty sections of missing paint on the
backside.  I'd assume this should be a mirror match of the firewall it came off
of.  Almost like a fingerprint.  Two screws can test out that theory.

Look inside the fenderwells, in deep recesses of the trunk, under the door sill
plate, etc, for evidence of a repaint.  I feel safe in saying you'd have 
noticed
that on the door, when looking for numbers there.

> whole bunch of wires stuffed into the right front fender

Other end goes to the ECM, my guess...

Late 70's 350, oddball tranny...  Maybe a chopshop car?

> Oh and the price was $3995, not $3950.  I figure it's about $3000 too
> high...


I figure that's about right...  T-tops command a premium, IMHO, and from a
non-suspect car standpoint, I'd say $1500 would be decent, if it ran and drove
well...  But, it's sounding more and more stolen every minute...

Does it have a vinyl top?  ~Lots~ of differences between that and non-vinyl,
parts-wise.  If it's out of your league already, just call the cops.
Something's ~very~ suspicious in that car...

There's always a chance that it's been a recoverred stolen car.  One that had
been half stripped and then recoverred.  Perhaps it was recoverred without a
VIN, and a replacement was issued.  Don't know the legalities or possibilities
of that, but I'd suspect the issue has developed in history a time or two...
(What do you do if your stolen car is recoverred with no VIN tag, how could you
re-register it?)  There may be some legal/legitimate cause for that VIN to be
there, but the dealer should be aware of it, and it should be disclosable, I'd
assume, upon asking.  'Nother thought to ponder...
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:58:38 EDT
From: <SHELTERMEN@aol.com>
Subject: SB 4bbl.intake wanted

I'm  looking for a 4bbl intake for my '68 350.  I don't want the intake with
the divorced choke housing.  I've been told that there aren't any significant
gains to be had by buying a hipo aftermarket intake, except for weight.  I'm
also looking for a carb to sit on the intake.  Let me know if I have the
correct info or if you have an intake and/or carb you are willing to part
with.
Tim

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:06:58 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

Oldsmagnet wrote:

> I wonder how Canada laws have affected this thing...  Canadian folks feel 
free
> to jump in here, but supposedly Canadian cars don't need titles, ownership is
> transferred by bill of sale only...  Tidbit of info to ponder.

Canadian built doesn't necessarily mean Canadian titled.  The '81 donor
car was probably Canadian built for the U.S. market.

> Look inside the fenderwells, in deep recesses of the trunk, under the door
sill > plate, etc, for evidence of a repaint.  I feel safe in saying you'd have
noticed > that on the door, when looking for numbers there.

Yes, I feel safe in saying that car has original paint.  Has the
anti-chip stuff under the silver along the bottom and I say no evidence
of overspray in the doors.
>
> But, it's sounding more and more stolen every minute...

Right, but how long ago?  This car could have been stolen 10 years ago
or within the last 6 months.

> Does it have a vinyl top?  ~Lots~ of differences between that and non-vinyl,
> parts-wise.

No, and no evidence of ever having one.

> There's always a chance that it's been a recoverred stolen car.  One that had
> been half stripped and then recoverred.  Perhaps it was recoverred without a
> VIN, and a replacement was issued.  Don't know the legalities or 
possibilities
> of that, but I'd suspect the issue has developed in history a time or two...
> (What do you do if your stolen car is recoverred with no VIN tag, how could
you > re-register it?)

In PA, recovered thefts are sometimes branded as R (for reconstructed)
titles.  Anything totalled by an insurance company is given a Salvage
Certificate instead of a PA title.  To put a car on a Salvage
Certificate back on the road, it has to be title as reconstructed.  A
recovered theft, with stolen parts, where repair is estimated to be 75%
of the cars value is considered totalled, I think.  Cars without VIN
tags are assigned VINs by the PA DMV and they are nowhere close to what
a factory VIN looks like, and the police have to be involved in that
process.

> There may be some legal/legitimate cause for that VIN to be
> there,

There should be no legal reason to have another VIN on this (or any
other) car.

> but the dealer should be aware of it,

Do I really wanna get involved in this?

 and it should be disclosable, I'd

I'm thinking the car was stolen, drivetrain removed and the car was
recovered.  Insurance wrote it off, totalled it and got a salvage
certificate.  Somebody (car owner or salvage yard) got the back on the
road and rather than have a car with an R title, swapped plates from a
junkyard piece, so now they could either drive it legally or sell it to
some unsuspecting fool.  Or, the car was just plain stolen and had tags
swapped by the thief so that he could register it, but then why the
powertrain swap?

I'm afraid that if I get the authorities involved it will turn out to be
a recovered theft from 10 years ago that was solved long ago and will be
a waste of their time.  Plus, I don't even know where to start making
contacts, State Police?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:19:03 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: 84 442 for sale

	

	I was out driving in the country today and saw a 84 442 at a
small used car
	lot.

	<snip>

	Uh, guys?  There's no such animal as a 1984 442.  1980, 1985,
'86', and '87, yes.  '83 & '84 were the last of the Hurst Olds, unless
we're counting the four 1988 Hurst Aeros that Doc Watson converted.

	Later,

	Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
	Columbus, MS          1987 442

	http://www.442.com/newman.html
	http;//www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:55:54 -0400
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Electrical Problem, 1966

I have a strange problem in my 66 F85. As soon as I hook up my battery,
my instrument lights come on. Bought a new light switch (Year One) and
installed it today, same problem. When I turm the light knob, my
taillights dim....!
Anybody have any great ideas where to start?

Regards

Toby

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:22:49 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?

Loris

I can't say what some one will pay for your but I sold a similar drive
train
a 68 400 running with tranny and 3.42 posi for $1200 (Canadian) -- that $75
US (ha ha )
Anyways a decent drive train should pull down a very good value, especially
to the OLDS purist.

Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


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From: Loris Scarnecchia <loris@tir.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 4:18 PM

I have an opprotunity to pick up a completely shot '68 4-4-4 hardtop.
However, it has a 400cid with automatic trans, 3:93 (?) posi, one good
headlight bezel, good front hood moldings, and good rear lenses.  THe
engine was running four years ago.  Obviously, this is a parts car, at
best.  What would someone be willing to pay for the 400 motor, trans and
posi?

- -Loris
S.E. Mich

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:29:15 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Another transparency on Ebay

OK, folks -

Nobody wanted my Vista Cruiser transparency, so I'm listing another one
today.  This is the last one I will have for sale, all others I'm
keeping for myself.  This one has two Ninety Eights on it.  Check out
the listing at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25882095

Thanks,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:31:16 -0400
From: D Frizsell <dfrizsell@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Olds Artwork

Thanks for the great plug Doug!
I appreciate it!!!

D-man!

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:01:19 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Another Ebay item

Just found this '76 Olds dealer announcment kit.  I have no use for it,
so it's going on Ebay.  See info here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25888562

Thanks,

Paul
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Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:10:00 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@ee.net>
Subject: Solid motor mounts-72 Cutlass

I need new motor mounts on the 72 since the right one totally collapsed.
Anyways I was thinking of going to solid mounts.  Anyone use them? Any 
benefits?
How are they different from regular mounts? The 72 isn't driven much...only at
the track and to local shows so comfort isn't an issue.  Will solid mounts
better my 1/4 times? Thanks

Jason Labay (jlabay@ee.net)   Akron, OH
98 Silverado C2500     88 Trans Am GTA
75 Hurst/Olds W-25    80 Olds 442 W-30
72 Cutlass Supreme Drag Car

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:43:47
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: <no subject>

Can the 5A heads be used on all the SB with the
right manifold ? (edelbrock # 3711 or # 7111)
i was thinking about the 403 cid.

Thanx

Chris, Norway


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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:55:14 EDT
From: <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: <no subject>

5a heads can be used on any small block with any small block manifold.  if you
want to put them on a 403, you just have to bore the head bolt holes out to
1/2 inch to accomidate the 403's bolts.  pretty simple if you ask me.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:01:51 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Poly Upper A-Arm Bushings Available

Hi there!

Sorry, I should have posted this when I listed them - they fit the 64 - 72 "A"
bodies.  I don't know if they'll fit any others or not.

Hope this helps, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:21:50 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Olds Lansing Video Info.

Hi folks,
            Since list traffic isn't heavy this evening, I'm sending
this for the last time.  Still have some copies remaining, but since the
Centennial has been over for a year, it's time to hang it up.  This was
a fun project to tackle, and my thanks go out to each and every list
member who ordered, and I appreciate all of your kind comments.  Info.
follows for list members who haven't been with us since last August...



             I've worked in television for a little over ten years, and
produced my fair share of weddings, fraternity rush videos, and high
school graduation videos.  During the Olds Centennial last August, some
of the list members took their cameras, and shot a load of video of all
the beautiful cars on display.  Since I didn't get to attend, I
volunteered to dub their raw video and edit it together into an Olds
e-mail list video scrapbook.  Tape was mastered on DVC, (Digital Video
Cassette) so you don't experience the video generation loss like you do
when dubbing VHS to VHS.  This is not a tape of corporate self-praise,
and I'm not affiliated with Olds, GM, or any other group that produced
tapes.  This is strictly a car video for car guys and ladies.  There's
no narration:  every shot is edited to music.  It contains 16 songs,
including Kathy Mattea's "455 Rocket" and Jackie Brenston and the Delta
Cats' "Rocket 88".  Total running time is 1:01:55.  You'll see some cars
owned by list members, as well as a few list members themselves.  (Greg
Beaulieu, Bryce Smith, Jim Chermack, plus Helen Earley and James
Walkinshaw, co-authors of "Setting the Pace".  Plus numerous shots of
Linda Vaughn, Miss Hurst Golden Shifter.)  Cost is $20.00 U.S.  This
includes postage.  If you do decide to order, please include your e-mail
address with your order so I can contact you when I ship your video.
(All orders go out the day payment is received, except Saturday.)
Snail-mail address follows, and I look forward to hearing from anyone
interested.  If you have any questions, please e-mail me privately to
keep list traffic down.  Thanks for your time.

Doug Newman        OCA # 30311
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

1987 442

newmand@wcbi.com

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:15:42 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model Stuff & Parts Cars

Way to go, Kim!!!!!!!!!!   And good for you, Junior - you've got a good owner
there.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
& Chelsea (wife who lets me have as many Oldsmobiles as I want)
& Grace (71 Cutlass 'S' race car ), The Royal Scam (70 C/S SX), The Elfie
C.(69 H/O Replica race car project), The Calvin E. (72 Cutlass 442 SCCA race
car project) and The Silver Bullet (80 Starfire GT everyday driver)

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:31:21 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Another transparency on Ebay

> Nobody wanted my Vista Cruiser transparency, so I'm listing another one
> today.

Hee hee....   Somebody wants ~this~ one....  :)  67 Ninety Eight???  Pick me! 
:)

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:36:39 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  84 442 for sale

84 442?? reproduction of the 442 began in 85-87. 83-84 are HurstOlds.
I think you got an 85 or 86 there, 87 had the euro headlamps. Just for your
information.
John,
JJP442@aol.com
1983 Hurst Olds
1987 442

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:39:22 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: '77 Cutlass 5-Speed Information?

Bob Barry wrote:


Anyone have any experience with this aforementioned 5-speed?  I know we hashed
and re-hashed the 5-speed thing some time ago, but I don't remember if this
one was discussed.

Thanks, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:38:04 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 84 442 for sale

>         Uh, guys?  There's no such animal as a 1984 442.  1980, 1985,
> '86', and '87, yes.  '83 & '84 were the last of the Hurst Olds, unless
> we're counting the four 1988 Hurst Aeros that Doc Watson converted.

Doug is right on the money as far as 198x 442s go.  1984 had the H/O as
the only "performance" Cutlass.  But, since we already have an 81 "H/O"
here, may as well have another "one of none" produced. :)

As for the body cowl tags, do NOT be alarmed if your car did not come
with one in the mid-80s.  My 85 442 didn't come with one, and I ordered
it new.  The little pilot holes are there.  It wasn't until I bought a
new 87 442 WITH the tag, that I noticed the 85 didn't have one.  The 87
tag was held on with small hex head screws.

I called Arlington assembly plant in 87 and talked to the Shift Foreman
on the line about it.  He said that GM was going away from the tags as
it were, and that they would order the tags, and if they were ready by
the time the car was built, great, if not, it was built anyway.  The
tags, if available, were installed PRIOR to painting.  The trunk sticker
was the "official" body tag.  And someone mentioned they've never seen a
body tag riveted on.  Maybe later models, but both my 69 and 71 have
riveted body tags, and I KNOW they've never been off the car.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:50:41 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Questionable Hurst/Olds

Well... in New York cars can be re-vined providing they pass a state
inspection of the entire car whatever parts with #'s that come up belonging to
a stolen car are removed from the vehicle, and the car is returned to you. If
your car has no tracable stolen parts on it, it will pass and they re-vin the
car placing the new vin# on the drivers side door jamb.
FYI,.
John.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 HurstOlds
1987 442

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:05:59 EDT
From: <JJP442@aol.com>
Subject: Attention all 81-88 "G" body members.

1ST..I have a complete front clip for these cars in mint cond off of an 87
Cutlass, minus header and bumper letting it go at a reasonable price. (getting
tired of looking at it in my back yard).
2ND.. Does anyone know of a manufacturer of body parts for these cars other
than Oldsmobile. In dire need of a trunk lid and drivers door for my 87 442.
Any help will be appreciated. Contact me via list or email. (I'm from N.Y.) if
that helps any.
Thanks in advance,
John
JJP442@aol.com
1983 Hurst Olds
1987 442
lds

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:10:27 EDT
From: <KWhite5590@aol.com>
Subject: Re: wheels...how big???

Chris wrote
>are there room for 8x15" wheels-
Chris,
How can you see plenty of room,I am currently running Z-28 alloys with
245-50-15 tires and rub the frame constantly.Even if you used 3.5" backspace I
wouldn't run with anything over 255-15.And with right offset and backspacing
you can widen the track of the car improved handling.
Just puttin in my $.02 .

Kevin White
KWhite5590@aol.com
83' Cutlass Supreme Brougham
FE3X clone

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:09:21 -0400
From: "Roger Nienberg" <s002rwn@discover.wright.edu>
Subject: unsubscribe

Please let me off the list.

It is taking too long for me to download all of the messages.
Thanks

Roger Nienberg
69' Cutlass S Convertible
90' Camaro RS

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:27:16 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 403 olds flywheel and clutch

Just thought I'd chime in on this string.
McLeod sells an aluminum flywheel for the 68-up Olds engines: I have one, fits
perfectly and will help out in lowering reciprocating weight on any Olds
engine.
They also sell an SFI-certified bellhousing with block plate.
Don't have any address on them, though.  Ordered mine from PAW in California.

Hope this helps.  Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:59:39 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Trans Operation temp

Peter,

I remember a note in a JW Transmissions (where I buy my Powerglide conversion
bellhousings from) catalog that 180 - 200 is what they consider the ideal
temperature range for a Powerglide, and I wouldn't think TH-350 and TH-400's
would be any different, possibly a bit lower would be better.  Heat is
definitely bad on transmission parts, so cooler is better, to an extent -- you
do want the fluid to be at an acceptable temperature, just like oil.

Hope this helps, and Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:02:47 EDT
From: <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Registry/ reply

I have been trying to work on a W-Machine web page/registry and keep all the
info in a database. I was going to include W30, 31, Rallye 350, SX, Pace Car,
and H/O, 68-72. So far I am collecting info like VIN, color, stripe color,
trans. & owners name. If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this better
let me know!! I will be collecting W-Machine info after I get everything set-
up, possibly sometime tomorrow.
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

i have one bob, it`s a 70 4 gear, jim mckeage has one also.  we have had many
 discussions on a registry for them and how many were actually left.   how
 about it, any other w-31 owners out there?  steven,  w30442cs@aol.com
  >>

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:12:42 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: 1/4 mile tech help

Just got back from DMR nats in Norwalk.  Great day, tons of Olds.
Disappointed with the convertible.  455 +.060, turbo 400(3500 stall), 4.10
gear, new DMR cam(496/520 int./exh), holley 750 DP
It's too slow.
Best e.t. 15.025
60'            2.061
330'          6.005
1/8 mile    9.410 at 71.72 mph
990'           12.324
1/4 mile      15.025 at 84.93 mph

I am almost 8/10 slower than last year with a 3.42 rear end, 4-spd and
smaller cam.  Any suggestions where to start looking for that legendary olds
performance?

I am thinking of maybe retarding the cam a few degrees and getting a set of
headers, to start. I installed this cam at 106 degrees (the card it came
with recommended 107 degrees, for 5 degrees advance)

Any help/insight is appreciated

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:20:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: RE: 307 to 403 Swap.

Hey!
If you have any unanswered questions, I'll answer what I can.  I've got a
computerless 403 with 72 350 heads in my 87 Cutlass.  I am very very very
rarely on the computer however, so if you need to call me, feel free!
(215) 453-0773, PA.  Absolutely a worthwhile swap!


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:23:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: RE: 307 to 403 Swap.

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Thomas Martin wrote:

> >1. Will the Oil Pan from the 307 fit the 403 should the 403 pan not fit
> >correctly.  Or WHICH 403 Oil Pan will fit the Cutlass?
>
> RWD Oil pan, 307 or 403, your choice...
>
> >2. Will the 307 Computer Controlled Distributor work?
>
> Sure, if you are going to run the computer...Else no, it will not work
> well.  No advance.  However you could rework it to the old type
> internals, but some of the mounting bosses for connectors or stuff will
> not be there, no place for vacuum adv can, no mech advance at all, etc.
>
> >3. What exhaust manifold will fit the 403 AND the Cutlass....  Or is now
> >a good time to find headers, and a big hammer?
>
> If you plan on using the ECM, Drivers side must be 75-up Olds V8 A Body,
> (BB or SB) and pass side MUST be 81 up, with O2 Sensor location.  Else,
> stick with 75 up A Body or G-Body manifolds, not tubular steel from the
> mid 80's.  This info is according to the junkyard bible's...
>
> >4. What mechanical parts will be able to be kept (IE: Water Pump)
>
> All, ain't Olds swapping more phun than a F$rd?  Mine was perfect from
> 307 to 77 350.
>
> >5. Carb will be a slightly modded Holley 750 4BBL Vaccumm Secondary,
> >will that adequately do the job for both driving it to work, and running
> >it on the track?
>
> Well, I have had fantastic results from the CCC carb and the ECM!
>
> >6. Will the Holley 750, the 403 and the STOCK Air cleaner present a hood
> >clearence problem??
>
> Not sure, but a Performer RPM will most likely cause clearance problems
> in a G-Body.

No clearance problems with the performer RPM with a three inch air cleaner
element.

>
> >7. Do I ask too many questions?   Heh heh...
>
> Well....
>
>
> Thomas Martin
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> 80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac
>

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:30:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Richard Petty HotWheels Oldsmobile

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> I was in a novelty store today, in their toy department.  Was walking
> down the aisle and immediately saw the shape of a '57 Olds.  When I
> looked closer, it was all done up in stock-car trim.  The box was
> HotWheels and it was a Richard Petty racing set.  One of the other cars
> in the box was one of his more recent Pontiacs, I think.  Didn't look
> closely at the third car, but I'm thinking now this may have been the
> mid '70s Cutlass he used to run.  Set ran about $22.  Anybody else seen
> them?
>
> Paul
> --


Didn't I see Richard Petty standing in front of an 80's Cutlass in the
NASCAR calendar they're giving away at the 76 gas stations?

> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net
>

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:43:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 40/60 seats!?!

Is  it just me or is it entirely dumb that G-body bench seats are 40/60,
not 60/40.  Why should my passenger control where my armrest is?!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:49:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: WAS Re: 403 olds flywheel/clutch..now just 403

><< Nope. The 403 was an Olds small block, also used on some Pancho's and
 [snip]
>      Hollanders doesn't list any 403's in TA's..I've always heard they were
>put in them..what was the rationale for Pontiac, or for that matter, Olds, to
>use the 400 vs. the 403??? 3 cubic inches is nothing! They would also, in GM
>lingo, probably be 6.6 litres, like 396, 402, 400, 403, correct?   Dorian

At the time, GM didn't have too many "big" engines available; all the
big-blocks were out of production after 1976, aside from the Pontiac (which
doesn't have "small" or "big" blocks; they're all the same size), and the
only big-cube motors were the overbored small-blocks like the Chev 400 (used
primarily in trucks) and the Olds 403.

Seems like the Pontiac 400 was billed as a limited-production premium motor
at the time, and was limited to the 4spd cars in its 220hp trim. The 403 was
apparently the high-volume big-engine for GM in that era, so it was probably
more economical to drop them in the T/A as well.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:54:45 PDT
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: One great Burnout Comp!

I went to a carshow /burnout comp and it was great!it had one bad 85
cutlass ,350 rocket,he had $13,000 in it,he put on one
hell of a show : ) he got 3rd,beat by a monte.and at the show there was
a really nice 69 442 pro street,he got the front end off the ground
pullin in ,it was cool: )all in all a really good show .O and i fond a
doghouse for a 73 442 ,anybody need it?

Thanks


  My  -------   -------
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         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:01:12 EDT
From: <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Hello, not getting any mail........

Im not getting any list mail. Is there a problem?

Bernie

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:02:48 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 40/60 seats!?!

> Is  it just me or is it entirely dumb that G-body bench seats are 40/60,
> not 60/40.  Why should my passenger control where my armrest is?!

Yeah, often bugged me, too.  I wonder if it has anything to do with seat belt
wear from seat movement...  Driver's seat probably moves twice as much...  Just
grasping straws...

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 23:13:08 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Trans fluid leak from tail shaft

   Just replaced a TH400 and I'm getting tranny fluid leaking from the tail
shaft.
I replaced the rear shaft seal before installation as usual.  Any clues?


   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:13:08 EDT
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Solid motor mounts-72 Cutlass

Jason,

I just got done with installing a set of Dave Smith Engineering's solid motor
mounts on Grace, and they fit perfectly.  Of course, these were not pre-
assembled as we did a setback on the engine (#1 plug even with the upper ball
joints) but the parts were just as advertised.  Dave and Karen are particular
about sending you the RIGHT parts, so she will quiz you about the year,
original engine that was in the car, and engine to be installed before she
sends a set out.

As for improvements in ET or any other benefits, don't know.  We did it
because we are installing mid-mounts between the engine and transmission and a
solid transmission mount and wanted no chance for trouble.  Be warned -- if
you have a serious (maybe even mildly serious) performance-modified engine in
your beast you'll want to make sure the trans mount is super strong, maybe
even solid as well.  The torque has been known to crack and break aluminum
manual transmission's mounting ears (to the bellhousing) as well as cracking
auto transmission cases.  I'm getting a Powerglide for free because the front
case/bellhousing area is cracked.  No problem for me, as I'll be replacing
that part anyway.

Hope this helps.  Take Care!
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:36:14 -0400
From: Jeffrey lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Car Probs was Re: Separating out the Olds from the ...

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-08-16 12:33:56 EDT, you write:

> Anyway.
> Carb leaking gas........from where?
> inlet or base (throttle), these are two different problems.
> The inlet leak is either a loose fitting, or (not that uncommon) a stripped
> inlet thread.
> The stripped inlet fitting is not uncommon as the carb is mainly made of 
"pot"
> metal.

Hmmm I will try that then...  it leaks from what I am assuming is the
inlet (at the bottom front of carb. . .  yes, it is the inlet, where the
filter is.  Hmmm...  better to try that than to pay for a rebuilt kit
and such...


> "Carb ... leaking....Choke dead"
> I do not know what you mean by "choke dead", but part of rebuilding a carb is
> ensuring that the various "connecting rods" on the carb (if you will) make 
the
> necessary motivations (open the butterfly valve just so......). But this
> requires an operational choke....

Sorry about the ambguity...  I mean, the coil in the choke has no
tension on it what so ever.  no matter wether it is cold, or hot, the
butterfly flaps back and fourth...  there is no tension on the choke
linkages (or choke itself) to hold the butterfly in any one position...

> Yes you may use other brands of carburetor.
> There seems to be a limited knowledge base for Carter carburetors.
> Edelbrock's line of carburetors semms to have functional similarities to Roch
> Q-jets.

I've been looking...  I would like to keep it original, but if I can get
an edlebrock that is better (and prolly not too hard to find) I may go
with that eventually...  cause I love throttle response... hehehe

> BTW due to recent information, avoid Rochester Q-jet 17065XXX.
> If you in fact have one or desire a replacement.

how can I find the number??  as in where is it on the carb?

> And of course good luck to you;

Thanks...  you too.  It is nice to know that there is somewhere I can
get good advice on this hobby.


> I had to "adjust" your footer (following) so it *might* appear straight in
> this post.
> I thought it was cool.
> But then again, aol is probably way different from all others....
>  "Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
>  you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
>
>  -------------------------------Carpe Noctum------------------------------  
>>
>
> I like that!
>
> SOM
> &KA

Me too!  hehehe...  witty isnt it? it didnt turn out like I typed it, I
think that is netscape reading a text file...

thanks for the advice tho!
Jeff
and Blue Thunder

- --
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:35:27 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Trans fluid leak from tail shaft

At 11:13 PM 8/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>   Just replaced a TH400 and I'm getting tranny fluid leaking from the tail
>shaft.
>I replaced the rear shaft seal before installation as usual.  Any clues?
>
>

sounds like your old slip yoke has a groove worn in it.

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:09:15 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: wheels...how big???

In a message dated 98-08-16 21:15:29 EDT, you write:

<< Chris wrote
 >are there room for 8x15" wheels-
 Chris,
 How can you see plenty of room,I am currently running Z-28 alloys with
 245-50-15 tires and rub the frame constantly.Even if you used 3.5" backspace
I
 wouldn't run with anything over 255-15.And with right offset and backspacing
 you can widen the track of the car improved handling.
 Just puttin in my $.02  >>
What kind of car are we talking about? I have 275/60/15 on the rear of my 72
442. No problems

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:15:28 +0000
From: Jim Connerly <jdconner@ccia.com>
Subject: Re: 84 442 for sale

Hi

Not sure of the year but the taillights said 84, the serial number is  (
1G3GR1190HP317397 ), you tell me but it did look solid.

Jim C.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:26:08 -0700
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 84 442 for sale

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No such animal,  but yesterday saw an 84 HO for sale,  put the Holiday
Coupe in a not so tight 1 G turn and went back to check it out.  Here are
the particulars:

84 HO
Limited edition silver w/ red and black trim
307 HO
700M auto w/ rebuilt od
lightining rod shifters
all factory options( cruise, air,  all power,  tilt,  glove box trunk
release)
gauge pack w/ tach
T-tops
new tires
62,452 easy miles
interior looks imaculate
could use a paint job

phone # (360) 613-9825

car is located in Bremerton, Wa.

E-mail privatly,  and I will go drive it if your interested.

All the standard disclaimers apply.

murph2@prodigy.net

						paul & noelle
						'66 F-85 Cutlass
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: cecilia laughton <laughton@silcom.com>
Subject: Re: 76-79 Omega

How about a 75 Omega?

Cecilia

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:18:10 EDT
From: <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Holly Pro Jection,125 NOS 4sale

In a message dated 98-08-14 14:47:14 EDT, you write:

<< List members,
  Have any of you ever tried the Holly Pro-Jection fuel injection system
 on an Oldsmobile engine?  If so, what are the results? >>
I have this setup on my 74 455.And my brother has it on his pontiac 455. Most
likely i will not be to the track till next year so i cant give you times. But
its runs great. Starts right up and idles, throttle very responsive. To run
the Oxegen sensor it is an additional computer which i think is around $300. I
dont have this option. I do have another PRO-JECTION 4 for sale $500 with
everything,including fuel pump. I also have a 125hp NOS setup solinoid and
carb plate only, you need to get a bottle and the line from the bottle. Make
an offer. I upgraded mine to 175HP. I use to run a holley 780 ran best ET of
13.3 I was hoping with the pro fuel to get into 12's.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:22:33 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Misdated 442's, H/O's, etc...

Anyone notice my comment about using taillight SAE #'s to ID a car?  And how it
doesn't work well for these Olds's???

> Not sure of the year but the taillights said 84
> 1G3GR1190HP317397
      -----^-----   "H" =1987, right?

I rest my case :)  The 1984 numberred taillights were used from 84 to 87 (maybe
even the 88 CSC's, too) and that is why this ~87~ 442 listed above has 84 on 
the
taillights.  Same reason the 83 Cutlass says SAE 81 on their taillights...  
Same
reason you'll find SAE 73 on like an 84 che*y pickup...

> Jim C.

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:24:01 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Registry/ reply

- ----------
> From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Registry/ reply
> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 7:02 PM
>
> I have been trying to work on a W-Machine web page/registry and keep all
the
> info in a database. I was going to include W30, 31, Rallye 350, SX, Pace
Car,
> and H/O, 68-72. So far I am collecting info like VIN, color, stripe
color,
> trans. & owners name. If anyone has any suggestions on how to make this
better
> let me know!! I will be collecting W-Machine info after I get everything
set-
> up, possibly sometime tomorrow.
> Thanks,
> Jim McKeague
> http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

So how about the few of us W-32's??

realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:25:15 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 84 442 for sale

Jim Connerly wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Not sure of the year but the taillights said 84, the serial number is  (
> 1G3GR1190HP317397 ), you tell me but it did look solid.
>
> Jim C.

87 2-dr Cutlass Supreme with 442 option (engine code "9").  Should have
the composite headlights.  If it were a GK11, that is the Salon, which,
to my knowledge, ironically was not available with the 442 option in
87.  It was a Supreme option only.  Someone correct me here if I'm
wrong.  I know MY 87 442 was a GR11.  Any current 87 owners want to
check theirs?  This poses a good question, since the 85 442 factory pic
says the 442 option was only on the Supreme, when in fact it was only
available on the Salon.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:56:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: engine build questions!!! LONG

Hi Guys,

thanks so much for your responses regarding the starter testing.
Here is a pretty long post. Please be patient with me and help! I got to
decide all these things soon and pack everything in this post. The post
is seperated in Block, Crank, Heads, Intake, Carb, Cam


BLOCKS:
=======
I pulled my motor this weekend and disassembled it. It looks pretty good.
Was redone once with 30 oversize. It seems it has no lip in the
cylinders but I haven't measured at all yet. I call this motor No. 1.

I have another block (No. 2) and crank which came with the car. The block
was redone but did only run very short because something with the heads
went wrong. (You can still see the honing marks all over the cylinders.)
As far as I can see by sticking in the 30 over pistons from engine 1 it
is 30 oversize too!

I am planning to use block 2 which looks like new and save some money on
shop costs. I will use the 30 oversize pistons from engine 1 and will be
able to use new 30 rings which I already have from the former owner.
Is this reasonable???

Here are the numbers of the blocks:

         front top | front side | back top   | back side
                   |            |            |
Block 1     395558 |        B8  | 2  162 CFO | F3
                   |            |            |
Block 2     395558 |        B8  | 9  192 CFO | F6

Are these blocks compatible? Is block 1 the original one?


CRANKS:
=======
As already mentioned I have two cranks. Crank No. 2 which came with the
car is polished like new. For cost efficiency I would like to use it. Here
are the numbers I found on the cranks:

Crank 1  CFO
         CF

Crak  2  CFO  and on other spot: 97

Same questions as for the blocks: Can I swap these and what spec exactly
are they???
Would you recommend to balance the crank???

HEADS
=====
You are lucky, I only have one set. Numbers are:
CFO  897742  162   1
Are they fitting/original?


INTAKE
======
I have 4 Intakes for this car.... the one I want to use is an old Holley
aluminium whith pretty straight channels pretty much like the Edelbrock
"Torker II".
Can anyone tell me the model and year? It says "Holley Street Dominator"
and on the bottom of it there is a small number: 701R 16 and big: 01095.
It is for a 4 bbl and has a big square opening for the carb, no single
wholes. Funny is also that the carb seat is slightly tilted to the
front!!! Would you recommend to use this thing?

CARBURETOR
==========
The car had a 2 bbl on it. I want a 4 bbl. Any cheap and powerful
suggestions what I should get? How many cfm? Is 600 enough or rather 750?
Has anybody tried the rebuilt Edelbrocks sold in JEGS (around 160 bucks!)

CAMSHAFT
========
Do you get much better performance in the setup planned above with an
aftermarket cam? Please give me suggestions what I should get! Here also
a bargain would be good. (Hope this bargain thing does not annoy you, I
am not tight, only a poor student starting in the Olds world...)

Thank you so much!

George

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:00:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: oil pan color / cutlass factory horse

Hi List,

forgot two things... What was the orig. color of the oil pan on my 68
Cutlass? Is it possible that it was body color? I would like to paint it
original. So far I got it primer.

I read in an Olds book in the bookstore that a 68 cutlass s came with
slightly over 300 HP factory! Is this true? Did it come with a 2bbl or a
4bbl. Are the 300 HP true for the 2bbl 350?

So long,

George

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:04:50
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: Re : Re: wheels...how big???

At 16 Aug 98, you wrote



>Chris,
>How can you see plenty of room,I am currently
>running Z-28 alloys with 245-50-15 tires and rub the
>frame constantly.

Spacers, 10 mm, gives me no problems with the Z 28
wheels and there are still some room for more.
i dont know what you mean when you say "plenty
of room"? i cant remember saying that...

Chris the rubber boy!

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: 350 pistons

all right, its me again, can't sleep, all nervous about the car...

Did the 350 in 68 come with low compression pistons ("dented", "not
flat", sorry for the bad language) The pistons I have, have this non-flat
structure.

Regards,

George

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:06:56 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile tech help

What car is it no? What heads do you have?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: patrick derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 1/4 mile tech help
> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 10:12 PM
>
> Just got back from DMR nats in Norwalk.  Great day, tons of Olds.
> Disappointed with the convertible.  455 +.060, turbo 400(3500 stall),
4.10
> gear, new DMR cam(496/520 int./exh), holley 750 DP
> It's too slow.
> Best e.t. 15.025
> 60'            2.061
> 330'          6.005
> 1/8 mile    9.410 at 71.72 mph
> 990'           12.324
> 1/4 mile      15.025 at 84.93 mph
>
> I am almost 8/10 slower than last year with a 3.42 rear end, 4-spd and
> smaller cam.  Any suggestions where to start looking for that legendary
olds
> performance?
>
> I am thinking of maybe retarding the cam a few degrees and getting a set
of
> headers, to start. I installed this cam at 106 degrees (the card it came
> with recommended 107 degrees, for 5 degrees advance)
>
> Any help/insight is appreciated
>
> patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:50:36 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)

Jim, according to your info, by defalt all 69 W series (400ci) with power
disc brakes would fall into the W-32 class....or am I reading something
into this that is not here???
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32 (?)


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> From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: W-30 Automatics (was HP question)
> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 1:56 AM
>
>
>         Here's the scoop on W-30 auto cars. 67 WAS the first year
available.
> The only power option available was P/S. I have not seen a 67 W-30 with
pwr
> brakes. Whoever stated the W-O-G TH400 was the trans is correct. It was a
> switch pitch TH400 that had a shift kit installed at the factory. The 68
&
> 69 W-30's had autos and also could be had with the 328 duration cam. This
> would give you the 2300 RPM converter in the trans. No pwr brakes with
> those. If you ordered your W-30 auto with P/B then you got a milder cam
like
> the 70 W-30 auto cars.
>
> Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:56:37 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 40/60 seats!?!

>Is  it just me or is it entirely dumb that G-body bench seats are 40/60,
>not 60/40.  Why should my passenger control where my armrest is?!


Dumb, yes. Like having an Delta Royale Luxo Yaght with 6 way power driver's
side seat and no adjustment whatsoever on the passenger side. Dumb.

drc
85 Delta

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:04:57 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: '68 4-4-2 parts, worth what?

Loris Scarnecchia wrote:
>
> I have an opprotunity to pick up a completely shot '68 4-4-4 hardtop. 
> However, it has a 400cid with automatic trans, 3:93 (?) posi, one good
> headlight bezel, good front hood moldings, and good rear lenses.  THe
> engine was running four years ago.  Obviously, this is a parts car, at
> best.  What would someone be willing to pay for the 400 motor, trans
> and posi?
>  
> -Loris
> S.E. Mich

Loris,

From what you can see, how much would it take to get this hog runnin'
again?

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