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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 28 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1454



Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update
Re: Decomputerization?
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Charlotte Swap Meet
FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???
Re: Decomputerization?
RE: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???
Re: '71 442 engine question...
RE: '71 442 engine question...
Re: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???
Parts 4 Sale
Re: Decomputerization?
Re: Charlotte Swap Meet
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: Charlotte Swap Meet
Re: Decomputerization?
Re: header for '70 442 (455/auto)
Engine Oil and detergents
Hesitation
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners
re: wipermotor
Re: Engine Oil and detergents
Chris sparks 442
Re: Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???
Re: Chris sparks 442
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: New odometer for 72??
*6 Supreme Cutlass IROC
Re: wipermotor
Re: W-31
Re: W-31
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Re: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass
RE: New odometer for 72??
Re: '71 442 engine question...
RE: *6 Supreme Cutlass IROC
Re: MAYBE W-32?
Re: Hesitation
Re: '71 442 engine question...
Odometer Manipulation
Re: New odometer for 72??
decomputerization
Windshields.
parting out '72 cutlass
Re: 2 bbl to 4 bbl Conversions; Whad'ya think?
Decomputerization, Part 2
Re: Odometer Manipulation
Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners
Aluminum Heads at DMR
This is my car.
Re: Re: Mission Fast Street Car Impossible
Re: Chris sparks 442
will it work?
Re: This is my car.
Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners
Re: will it work?
Rocket Talk for those who are habitually Late
Re: Engine Oil and detergents
Swap Meet
Re: W-31
Signing Off...Be back soon!
Surge Tank
Re: Rallye 350 ID
Re: This is my car.
Re: Chris sparks 442
Re: will it work?(harmonic balancer)
Votes needed...

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:37:54 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: '69 to '70 Transplant update

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
>
> Matt, while the windshield will physically fit, the 68-69 windshields will
> not have the radio antenna used on the 70-72 cars.  This is not a problem
> if you have a power antenna, but otherwise the radio won't work.  I did it
> the other way, putting a 70 windshield in my 68 years ago to eliminate the
> outside antenna.
>

Well, my 70 doesn't even have a radio, so I'm not worried.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl)
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl)
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl)
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:40:16 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Decomputerization?

John Pajak wrote:
>
> Dave Wyatt wrote:
> I am also eliminating the computer and this info was very timely.  Ray
> says that the metering rods will not really be effected in the stock
> carb.  This has been my only concern<Snip>
>
> Wait!!!!!!!!  The carb will run full rich w/o the computer telling the
> metering rods to 'cycle'! If you remove the computer you really need a
> regular non-electronic carb and a precomputer HEI distributor.

Agreed...

Without the computer to tell the distributor when to do it's thing,
won't it either stay where it's at, meaning no advance, or worse, drop
to full retard???

And the carb is agreed too...  Without something to say "Hey, we're
running a little rich down here" it will run on full richen mode...  And
there's no real adjustment externally on it, to my knowledge like Holley
has...

On a GOOD note..  Drop a Pre-Computer Distributor, and Non-Computer QJet
on that bad boy, and run with it.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:35:11 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:

> Ohoo, Joe better look that one up. In '72 any and everything was an option
> and that included cutout bumpers.
>

Sorry guy, Joe is correct.  The cutout bumper in 72 was available (standard
equipment) ONLY with the 455.
Not as a seperate option in of itself.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:45:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Charlotte Swap Meet

Hey everyone,

        We have gotten our Fall Charlotte Swap meet space assignments so I
will let everyone know where we will be setup. Our spaces are # XXB-255 and
XXB-256. They are right at the entrance in turn one of the race track near
the consession stand in the "Blue" field. Hope to see a few of you there. We
made it through hurricane "Bonnie" with only some small losses. Not too bad.
We're cleaning up and ready for the next one that's on it's way. "Danielle".

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:49:02 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???

The FAQ was real helpful for many of the tranny conversions...

But my problem is:

The FAQ covered -

350-400
200R4-350

and other various trannys...

What would be needed for a THM-200C to a THM-400 conversion???  Even
though I'd love to make swiss cheese outta this 200C, it's still in good
shape, and I can sell it with the motor all in one shot....  The 455
going in won't like it, and I'd rather have a 400 in there
anyway........


No luxury is like the luxury of bulletproof.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:50:28 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Decomputerization?

In a message dated 8/28/98 12:13:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com writes:

<<
 OK, the carb I understand, but why the different HEI.  The only thing it had
 was the hot lead and tach.  The extra wire out the back side of the base has
 been disconnected for a long time.  It was the only one with a "computer
 connection".

     Well according to Haynes, and my recollection of doing this, later
distributors do not use vacuum advance..the ECM controls it.  With the
computer controlled carb on the car, but not hooked up, and the distributor
disconnected from the ECM (or was it connected?), you COULD NOT get the timing
right, as it jumped around at idle. The carb was the big problem though. All
of the above of course, if I remember correctly.  Dorian

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:54:51 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???

>
>What would be needed for a THM-200C to a THM-400 conversion???  Even

Isn't the THM-200C a 'version' of the turbo 350, or am I thinking of
something else?  If it is, then essentially it's a 350-400 swap.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:59:29 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,

Maybe W-32?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:05:17 -0500
From: "Smetana, Christopher" <csmetana@dowagro.com>
Subject: RE: '71 442 engine question...

>
>> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
>> bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
>
>Maybe W-32?

W-32 was only available in 69 and 70.  69 4-4-2 W-32 and 70 Supreme SX
W-32

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@dowagro.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:08:06 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???

In a message dated 8/28/98 12:50:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ithefunki@cchat.com writes:

<< What would be needed for a THM-200C to a THM-400 conversion???  Even
 though I'd love to make swiss cheese outta this 200C, it's still in good
 shape, and I can sell it with the motor all in one shot....  The 455
 going in won't like it, and I'd rather have a 400 in there
 anyway........

      Wouldn't it be about the same for a THM350? Not positive, haven't ever
dealt with a 200.   Dorian

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:08:21 EDT
From: Cnvrt67@aol.com
Subject: Parts 4 Sale

Set of 4 14x6 SS1 wheels. Good condition.......$200

68-72 Carpet:
lite saddle, brand new....$100
Dark saddle, 2 months old......$75

1 inch Fenellic spacer plate, brand new never used, for Q-Jet 4bbl........$40

1953:
Hood and trunk world ornaments. Extremely good condition and hard to find
pieces...... $200

1959:
88 Tail lite assemblies. Some pits. Driver quality....... $50 for the pair

1964:
Consle Mounted Tach.........$100
Vacume trunk release...Complete...$150
Convertible visors w/mirrors-black....$???

1965:
6 Piece convertible stainless steel trim set including the 1/4 trim......$250
Trunklid........$100
Hood.......$100
Vacume trunk release...Complete...$150
Consle Mounted Tach......$100
Convertible visors w/mirrors-black....$???

1966:
Consle Mounted Tach (early 66's)......$100
Convertible visors w/mirrors-black....$???

1967:
Pair of Cutlass front wheel well opening moldings (2 pair)........$75 a pair
442 Grill bar and Grill......$60
Convertible visors w/mirrors-black....$???

1968:
Set of 5 SSII trim rings, real nice.....$75
Consle, black, O.K.........$40

1969:
Set of 5 SSII trim rings, real nice.....$75
Consle, black, O.K.........$40
Floor shift TILT column.......$150

1970:
Cutlass rear bumper, real nice chrome.....$125
442 rear bumper in primer......$125
Consle.....$125
70 fender.....non dimple fender, some rust at bottom......$150
instrument bezel........$ make offer
Dimple Fender, some rust at bottom....$125

1971:
Consle.....$125
TILT column.....$100
Front bumper, nice chrome, good driver.....$75
Sport Mirror, remote driver side only......$40
Decklid, some rust good otherwise.....$75
Glove box door......$make offer
Consle wiring harness....$30
Dimple Fender, some rust at bottom....$125

1972:
Consle.....$125
TILT column.....$100
Front bumper, nice chrome, good driver.....$75
Sport Mirror, remote driver side only......$40
Decklid, some rust good otherwise.....$75
Glove box door......$make offer
Consle wiring harness....$30
Lenses, top and bottom.......$15 a pair
Dimple Fender, some rust at bottom....$125

73-77:
1 Pair of sport mirrors, Driver is remote.....$75

1976-77:
Cutlass Broham front and rear seats. Black and 6-way power seats.....$100
442 grills and header panel.....$125

None of this stuff includes shipping. So if you are intested in anything email
me at.......Cnvrt67@Aol.com. Depends on how big the item is wether you pay
shipping or not.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible
http://members.aol.com/Cnvrt67/index.html (view my updated parts page here
also)

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:17:04 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Decomputerization?

>On a GOOD note..  Drop a Pre-Computer Distributor, and Non-Computer QJet
>on that bad boy, and run with it.

Sorry, but this has one of those half a Q-jet style 2 barrels.  GM basically
chopped off the secondaries and made a 2 barrel out of a four.  I hear it was
used in a non computer style on pick ups with 305s also.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:20:23 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Charlotte Swap Meet

JIm, where are you located at? are you here in NC? I'm in Fayetteville. let me
know . Thanks Chris

Chris Sommerville
69 442SC
70 442
70 W31

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:22:24 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Smetana, Christopher wrote:

> >
> >> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> >> bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
> >
> >Maybe W-32?
>
> W-32 was only available in 69 and 70.  69 4-4-2 W-32 and 70 Supreme SX
> W-32

Ok I give up.  What "W" 350 CID 442 came in 1972 with dual exhausts?

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:03 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Charlotte Swap Meet

New to this meet thingy, so please psot dates, times and directions
to this Charlotte swap meet. Looking for interior parts for my '86
442..!! Should I be able to find some things there??????????

Mike.................
>
>         We have gotten our Fall Charlotte Swap meet space assignments so I
> will let everyone know where we will be setup. Our spaces are # XXB-255 and
> XXB-256. They are right at the entrance in turn one of the race track near
> the consession stand in the "Blue" field. Hope to see a few of you there. We
> made it through hurricane "Bonnie" with only some small losses. Not too bad.
> We're cleaning up and ready for the next one that's on it's way. "Danielle".
>
> Jim Chermack
> C&M Classic Parts
>
>
>
       "Still crazy.......after all these years......"

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:22:47 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Decomputerization?

> Well according to Haynes, and my recollection of doing this, later
>distributors do not use vacuum advance..the ECM controls it.  With the
>computer controlled carb on the car, but not hooked up, and the distributor
>disconnected from the ECM (or was it connected?), you COULD NOT get the
timing
>right, as it jumped around at idle.

There is no vacuum advance on this come to think of it.  It does run like a
top, but quits pulling at 3500 rpm.  It will go further, but the bottom end
does not like it.  The former owner was an electrician who did a great job of
hooking up the radio, but was poor at mechanicals.  But it does have SSIIIs on
it and may get the 455 out of my 4-4-2 in the future.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:33:26 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: Re: header for '70 442 (455/auto)

>Don't do economy anything.  I'm a big header fan, have never had the
bad
>experiences others seem to have (rusting out, poor fit, clearance,
leaks, etc.)
>but thats because I've always bought good quality headers, only Hooker
>Competition--around 170$ at Summit.  They do have Super Competition,
which
>apparently are the same but lighter weight metal and cost more.  Spend
a bit
>more here and you'll be glad you did.  Also, don't forget--buy good
gaskets too.

Good advice.  I've had the best luck with Mr. Gasket Ultra-Seal header
gaskets.  They are thick and have metal sandwiched in the middle of the
gasket material.  Reusable if you take the headers off again at some
point.  Forget about the paper ones that usually come with headers.
They will get brittle over a short period of time and fall apart causing
leaks.  Remember to re-torque the header bolts after the engine has been
run.

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com <mailto:chads@pcsco.com>
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
                          ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe,
ATR
                          Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:30:45 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine Oil and detergents

List members,
 I have heard to use Mack truck diesel engine oil for 1,000 miles to
help clean a dirty engine.  The diesel truck oil is said to contain a
high level of detergents.  Is this a good idea?  Is it safe?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:40:15 PDT
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hesitation

List members,
 My 1986 Cutlass with the 307 Quadrajet has a bad hesitation when
restarted after the car is parked hot for 5 or more minutes.  The car
cranks fine but when I give the car gas it hesitates before it finally
accelerates.  After the first hesitation it is fine.  It only does this
when the car is hot and has been sitting for 5 or more minutes. This
problem started last week.  The check engine light is not on.  What is
wrong?

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:42:13 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Ok I give up.  What "W" 350 CID 442 came in 1972 with dual exhausts?
>

Chris,
All 1972 4-4-2's are the W-29 option (regardless of engine size).
In 1972 the VIN will indicate engine size.  The 350's are as follows:

Code H is the base 350 2 bbl single exhaust
Code J is 350 2 bbl dual exhaust
Code K is 350 4bbl single exhaust
Code M is 350 4 bbl dual exhaust

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:53:35 -0500
From: Chad Schwartz <ChadS@pcsco.com>
Subject: Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners

<< It's the originality thing again, plus I don't want to go to a show
or
 cruise and P.O. any other H/O owners off. >>

>I cannot offer anything about the paint  but I would like to comment on
this
>part of your post.    Who cares what other H/O owners think about that?
It is
>YOUR car right? If you like it like that then do it.  Just my opinion
but I
>get alot of flack at car shows with my 69 442 that I braket race and
cruise
>because of how heavily modified the car is. Its al just bolt ons but I
still
>get tons of flack.   I have a 68 442 too that is currently under
constuction
>that I am half temted to make a H/O copy out of  and put all the braket
car
>parts into it just to piss off those guys..  Im not  but boy do I think
about
>it.      OK Ill get down off this stump now <G>

I agree very much!  I'm a H/O owner that doesn't care.  Mine isn't
original.  It's my H/O and I'll have it the way I want it. Everyone has
different tastes and opinions.  They always say that your car reflects
who you are.  Be yourself and do what makes you happy.  You only live
once!!  Why live someone elses life??  If they want theirs original then
fine because that's their taste.

Enjoy your Olds to the fullest!  However you like it!

Anyway....off my soap box.. Hope I don't trip on Joe's stump.....:-)

Back to Olds chat....

Chad Schwartz
chads@pcsco.com <mailto:chads@pcsco.com>
mIRC: ROCKN6
Denison, IA
'87 GN  T-Tops (TE-44, 40lb Inj, Modified Stock IC, ATR Cam, JC Chip,
                          ATR 2 ½" SS Exhaust, TH 3" DP, 3" Test Pipe,
ATR
                          Ram Air)
'79 H/O T-Tops (400 HP/430 TQ ZZ4 350 H.O. Chevy, TH350, 3.73 Posi)

"Poverty Is Owning A Race Car"  "Happiness Is A Low E.T."

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:49:29 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: re: wipermotor

>Trond,
>There are two wiper systems used in 1969.  The round motor is the "depressed
park" model >(recessed wipers).  The square motor is the non depressed park
model.  The two will not >interchange.  Nor will any of the related components
(wiper transmission, washer pump, >etc.

Thank you fore the ansver but witch is used on a cutlass????

Tia
 Trond

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:55:52 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Oil and detergents

I use DMO in my cars all the time, simply because it's the only oil I
can get locally in 5-gallon pails (I like to re-use the pails, so I buy
all my oil that way.)

I will say it's never hurt my car, so 1000 miles should be safe.

I have heard consistently DMO has more detergents than Regular oil, and
it sounds logical enough.

Some other cleaning processes I have heard of:
1. Dump a litre of ATF in right before a change (ATF is a high-detergent
oil)
2. use engine flush.

Both of these I have done or seen done with good success (all normal
disclaimers apply).

Up here in Sunny Saskatchewan, if you do a lot of city/town driving at
- -40Celcius , even with regular changes oil tends to get black
right-away.

Plus, usually when you buy a car as reliable as an olds, the previous
owners may have mistaken dependability as a sign that it didn't need an
oil change (argh... this bugs me)..

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

flynt myrick wrote:
>
> List members,
>  I have heard to use Mack truck diesel engine oil for 1,000 miles to
> help clean a dirty engine.  The diesel truck oil is said to contain a
> high level of detergents.  Is this a good idea?  Is it safe?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:17:15 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: Chris sparks 442

come on gang Chris`s 442 is one the interactive car show and he needs our vote
here is the adress:

http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html

We will vote for him right gang.

Trond.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:24:13 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some thoughts was: Ceramic coatings

In a message dated 8/28/98 1:38:05 PM EST, Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<<
 ...-keeping the engine compartment much cooler & hotter exhaust temp
 results in  increased  horsepower. >>

 Gotta take issue with that.

 I believe that the real gain in horsies is due to cooler air under the hood
 entering the intake on non-OAI cars...
 ___________

 True enough, something like one additional HP for every 7 degree F
 reduction in inlet temp.  HOWEVER, there may be some basis in fact for the
 claim that increased exhaust temp also improves performance.  Increased
 temp implies increased velocity, implies increased scavenging of the
 combustion chambers (work with me here, I'm reaching for this one...)

 Joe Padavano >>

Yes, what you say is correct (from what I've know to be...).  This is the
reason you see header wrap that goes around the first portion of the header
tubes.  This is to keep heat in the exhaust, rather than radiate it out into
the engine bay.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:25:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

So, I guess a '71 442 with a 350 doesn't have an original engine...

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:29:25 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAQ Question - THM200-C to THM-400 ???

In a message dated 8/28/98 2:50:49 PM EST, ithefunki@cchat.com writes:

<<
 The FAQ was real helpful for many of the tranny conversions...

 But my problem is:

 The FAQ covered -

 350-400
 200R4-350

 and other various trannys...

 What would be needed for a THM-200C to a THM-400 conversion???  Even
 though I'd love to make swiss cheese outta this 200C, it's still in good
 shape, and I can sell it with the motor all in one shot....  The 455
 going in won't like it, and I'd rather have a 400 in there
 anyway........


 No luxury is like the luxury of bulletproof.
 --
                 - Jerry Christopher - >>

I'm thinking the 200 would be identical (mounting wise) to the 350.  The "C"
designation sows nothing more than the "lock up" feature for the converter, no
outward differences in mounting/bolt location.  Someone else should be able to
confirm my thoughts here.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:32:16 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Chris sparks 442

TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN wrote:

> come on gang Chris`s 442 is one the interactive car show and he needs our 
vote
> here is the adress:
>
> http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
>
> We will vote for him right gang.

Thanks for the vote of support!  I thought this site went bye-bye months ago.  
I
wasin the lead and then poof the site was gone.  I wonder if it will hurt my
chances if we
all vote again?  Dunno.


- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:34:59 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,

Maybe W-32?

- --
Chris Sparks
______________

W-32s were only made in 1969 and 1970.  In 69 it denoted a package on the
442 which was based on the 400 motor (basically a 350 horse "manual trans"
motor with O.A.I. and modified OW code TH400 from the W-30).  In 70 the
W-32 package was based on the 455 and only available on the Cutlass Supreme
SX (not on the 442).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:40:59 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

Ok I give up.  What "W" 350 CID 442 came in 1972 with dual exhausts?

- --
Chris Sparks
______________

The W-29, which was simply the option code for the 442 "handling" package.
There were no performance "W" packages on the 350 motor after 1970, and
there was _never_ a 350 "W" package offered in a 442 (only F-85s and
Cutlii).  And before somebody replies "What about the mid-70s H/O W-25?" -
my only response it that isn't an engine performance package like the W-30
or W-31.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:00:11 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

Eric wrote:
>
> Barring all else, take it out, hook the speedo to an electric motor, and
> spin the whole assembly 74,000 miles....
>
> I believe I'll do this for mine too, as I got it power-trainless and
> have no idea what it's original history was anyways (reads 50,000, but
> realistically could mean 50,000 150,000, or even 250,000).

I've though of this too, then I realized how long it would take.  The
speedo maxes at 120mph, i'd be afraid of running it much faster for fear
of stripping something.  At 120 MPH it would take 416.7 hours to run the
odometer 50,000 miles!  That'd take 17.36 days without a break.

Kinda interesting, if you were to speed it up so that it spins 50,000
miles in 24 hours, it'd have to run the equivalent of 2083mph...Almost
mach 3. :)


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:55:25 -0400
From: "Gary J Couse" <gjcouse@mhonline.net>
Subject: *6 Supreme Cutlass IROC

Hello all;

Just joined at the prompting of: Chad Schwartz. Thank you Chad for
enlightening me. Well I'm about mid stream of converting an 86 Cutlass
Supreme into full IROC stature. Yes from Ground Effects to Hood scoop, IROC.
I will not at this point describe the details. "Quincy" is currently
undergoing all the body reworking. I've access to both an HO 455ci and
Cadillac 500ci. I've discussed the 500ci swap with another that has
successfully do so. However, I'd rather the built-up convience of the Olds
455 as headers, and other components are installed that can be utilized. I
want full out, Turbo, (any leads on components), including NO2... Yes the
engine will be effected internally for these components. I'm looking for
others that have or know a source for hardware (turbo). Beyond that, Since
this is a Custom Cutlass Venture, I'm entertaining building a line of
Cutlass Customs based on the G-Body Cutlass. Of which "Quincy" is the
prototype. Once the unit is completed it's tour at the body works, a photo
shoot will display her essence on a site currently being created.

Purpose? Propagating a G-Body Custom product and line.

I intend to set this up World Wide via the Internet for sales. One catch, If
you can afford a Custom Cutlass, you need bring me a Core car. I can not
create, with out an ongoing supply of cars.

The intention? To build a private label V-8 counterpart to Buicks TR + GN.
Not to out do, but to reside by, these great vehicles. A turbo V-6 can easly
live in the 11 second track pass. A V-8 ?????????? In a Cutlass?????

I will post Quinces preview page to the list when ready. Merely the exterior
will be completed. The site will follow the prototype progress after the
body detail. Yesss, I know this is sort of ass backwards: Body, Interior,
Drive line as to prototype production. Need to get the visual down pact and
test Quality control. I've amassed top shelf artist in all phases of this
project. One aspect left open is that of a turbo supplier/creator. Any
takers???

Gary J. Couse
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:46:49 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: wipermotor

TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN wrote:

> Thank you fore the ansver but witch is used on a cutlass????
>
> Tia
>  Trond

Either one.  The non depressed park (square motor) was standard on the F-85's.
And a delete option on Cutlass' and 4-4-2's.  Cutlass' and 4-4-2's were 
standard
with the round depressed park motor.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:57:14 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: W-31

> Could someone please tell me what rear ends came on the 1970 W-31's? Was it
> just the "391" or were there other options? Were they all anti-spin?

Jack,

According to sales literature, the W-45 in 1970 (Rallye 350) could be
had with *gulp* 2.56, 3.23 (std), 3.42, 3.91.  The 3.42 and 3.91s
REQUIRED G80, or limited slip, to be utilized.  Of course this is with
the TH 350 automatic.  With the 3 or 4 speed, the 2.56 wasn't available,
thank God, but the rest were.  Limited slip was OPTIONAL with the 2.56
or 3.23. There was no requirement with the W-45 option to dictate
mandatory limited slip.  Of course, ALL the 3.42 and up (numerically)
were limited slip.  The 4.33, 4.66, and 5.00 were ALL dealer installed
options, as per the 1970 equipment list.  With dealer gears, NO A/C or
heavy duty cooling could be had.  Of course, that was THEN, when the
factories did anything they wanted to anyway, so you never know.

Hope this answered your question.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:03:25 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: W-31

jhbII wrote:
>
> Could someone please tell me what rear ends came on the 1970 W-31's? Was it
> just the "391" or were there other options? Were they all anti-spin? As
> usuall THANKS and isn't this "list" GREAT!! Hope everyone has a nice
> weekend, Jack


Christ JACK!!!!

I was thinking of your Rallye when I answered that last post.  OOPS!
The W-31 only came with 3.91 standard, or 3.42 optional.  Niether with
air.  And yes, they were all limited slip.  Ok, killed two birds on this
one.  Whew.  Ok, I'm back to normal.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:05:47 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

C. Casteel wrote:
>
> Was the 350 standard or optional? Or if one has a 350 now, it's not 
original??

N/A with 442.  The 455 was standard.  They did not use a 350 with the
442 until 1972.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:10:10 -0400
From: "VBDeveloper" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass

Try http://www.factoryautomanuals.com

factorya@tir.com
I just ordered two manuals from Dan(still on list), that I have been
chasing for a while. Good luck

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 01:49 PM
>
> Stan, I inquired about these at the Oldsmobile dealer in town and you
> couldn't buy one there if you wanted to.  They gave me a 1-800 number
that
> I've long since forgotten.  I got my Service Manuals (a set of 3) from
> Blaine Sanders (still on the list?).  Buying them used is probably the
best
> way to go.
>
> Unfortunately, to get to your question, I don't know anyone with a set
> that's for sale.  Sorry...
>
> I think GM started using TCC's in 1976?  Someone please verify/correct
this.
>
> Jason Adcock
> mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
> http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Weaver, Stanleigh G <Stanleigh.Weaver@PHL.Boeing.com>
> To: 'Submit oldsmobile question' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 1:20 PM
> Subject: Service Manual for '84 Cutlass
>
>
> >Members,
> >
> >Does anyone know where I can purchase a GM Service Manual for a 1984
> >Cutlass Supreme (not the Chilton or Haynes, I have them) without
> >purchasing directly through GM??
> >
> >Also, what year did GM begin using Lockup Torque Converters??
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:14:24 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: New odometer for 72??

> I've though of this too, then I realized how long it would take.  The
> speedo maxes at 120mph, i'd be afraid of running it much faster for fear
> of stripping something.  At 120 MPH it would take 416.7 hours to run the
> odometer 50,000 miles!  That'd take 17.36 days without a break.
>
> Kinda interesting, if you were to speed it up so that it spins 50,000
> miles in 24 hours, it'd have to run the equivalent of 2083mph...Almost
> mach 3. :)

... however, if you were of a fairly crafty nature, I'd wager that you could
take the odometer apart and turn it to whatever you want, then put it back
together again.  I can't speak for GM's techonology in '72, but I do know
that it was a simple matter to disassemble my spare odometer from a '64
Corvair and change it to 00000.0 or whatever else I wanted to.  The only
problem I had was that the number paint was extremely fragile and flaked off
at the lightest touch.  Good thing I wasn't going to re-use it, huh?  I did,
however, reassemble it without problems, and it does still work.  My
philosophy is, "If they can put it together, I can take it apart and put it
back together again."

My .02

Blaine

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:15:07 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

>
> Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> bumper unless you had a big block.

I remember having a silver/black 72 442 with a 350 3-on the floor with
bench seat.  Hardly any options, and a 3.23 limited slip.  It had dual
exhausts WITHOUT the cutout bumper.  Bought it from the original owner.
Weird, but rather cool.  I've never researched it, but I heard they
didn't make a tremendous amount of the 3 on the floors, but I could be
wrong.  I ALMOST swapped it out for a 4-speed, but sold it before I got
around to it.  It was for a good cause however.  I used the money as
part of the down payment on my new 85 442 that I still have today.  So
in a way, the legacy of the 3.5-3-2 I used to own, lives on today.  I
miss that car.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:24:31 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: *6 Supreme Cutlass IROC

<snip>
> One aspect left open is that of a turbo supplier/creator. Any
> takers???

Gary,

Have you heard of Bramall?  They claim to supply all the Big 3 (don't quote
me on that) with their turbos, and they also do custom applications, I
think.  Check out their web page:

http://www.bramall-turbo.com/

What you're doing sounds like a lot of fun (and $!)...  Good luck in your
venture.

- -Blaine

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:18:27 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: MAYBE W-32?

> > Yes, duals were optional in 72 on the 350, though you didn't get a cutout
> > bumper unless you had a big block.  W-31 production stopped in 1970,
>
> Maybe W-32?

W-32 was 69 only.  In 1972, you either got the non-cutout bumper with
the 442, or you got the 455 engine, either version, W-30 or not, which
included the rear cutout bumper.  If you ever see a STOCK 72 442 with
the cutouts, rest assured it came from the factory with some sort of
455.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:24:48 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Hesitation

Flynt:
Sounds like the carb is percolating , the main discharge passages for the
carb are approximately the same level as the gas level in the float bowl.
when you turn the engine off, the heat from the engine causes the fuel to
boil in the float bowl or it expands it enough to cause fuel to be added to
the engine to cause slow starting or the condition you describe. After you
rev it a time to two the incoming fuel will cool the residual fuel to stop
the effect. try dropping the float level about 1/8 inch. (make sure it's
correct to begin with). I had a very similar problem with the 75 350,
q/jet.
Lou Biggs
- ---------
> From: flynt myrick <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Hesitation
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 3:40 PM
>
> List members,
>  My 1986 Cutlass with the 307 Quadrajet has a bad hesitation when
> restarted after the car is parked hot for 5 or more minutes.  The car
> cranks fine but when I give the car gas it hesitates before it finally
> accelerates.  After the first hesitation it is fine.  It only does this
> when the car is hot and has been sitting for 5 or more minutes. This
> problem started last week.  The check engine light is not on.  What is
> wrong?
>
> Flynt Myrick
> f_myrick@hotmail.com
> http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:20:12 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '71 442 engine question...

> >Maybe W-32?
>
> W-32 was only available in 69 and 70.  69 4-4-2 W-32 and 70 Supreme SX
> W-32


Good point Chris.  Completely forgot about the 70 W-32 SX option.  Silly
me.  For punishment, I should go out and get one for not remembering
that....

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:31:00 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Odometer Manipulation

Just to chime in here. I've manipulated mine each time
I've put a new speed minder speedo in the big cars. In
1966 they pop right apart. You have to be careful, but
you can set 'em where ever you want.

I reset them to reflect the mileage of the car they're
going into.

Let's just say it's good that GM got hip to this
game long ago. If _I_ can figure it out, most
anyone with a modicum of mechanical skill &
care can.

When did they make 'em tough to manipulate?

cf

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:35:55 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: New odometer for 72??

When I was a service mgr. my boss would call a little weasely looking guy
to disconnect the speedo cable and hook up this rig which ran the
speedometer backwards. they would do this after closing hours and if I
remember correctly took off
about 15,000 miles a nite. They did this routine until the boss was happy.
Honest no, effective yes.
Lou Biggs

Original Message----------
> From: B. Sanders <blaines@strata3d.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: New odometer for 72??
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 5:14 PM
>
>
>
> > I've though of this too, then I realized how long it would take.  The
> > speedo maxes at 120mph, i'd be afraid of running it much faster for
fear
> > of stripping something.  At 120 MPH it would take 416.7 hours to run
the
> > odometer 50,000 miles!  That'd take 17.36 days without a break.
> >
> > Kinda interesting, if you were to speed it up so that it spins 50,000
> > miles in 24 hours, it'd have to run the equivalent of 2083mph...Almost
> > mach 3. :)
>
> ... however, if you were of a fairly crafty nature, I'd wager that you
could
> take the odometer apart and turn it to whatever you want, then put it
back
> together again.  I can't speak for GM's techonology in '72, but I do know
> that it was a simple matter to disassemble my spare odometer from a '64
> Corvair and change it to 00000.0 or whatever else I wanted to.  The only
> problem I had was that the number paint was extremely fragile and flaked
off
> at the lightest touch.  Good thing I wasn't going to re-use it, huh?  I
did,
> however, reassemble it without problems, and it does still work.  My
> philosophy is, "If they can put it together, I can take it apart and put
it
> back together again."
>
> My .02
>
> Blaine

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:44:36 -0400
From: RAY.COSTANZO@firstunion.com
Subject: decomputerization

TO: Softswitch.OAS
CC:
FROM: RAY.COSTANZO@TAOFUN1
SUBJECT:  decomputerization

   As far as I know, removing a computer will not affect the carb to t
   he point of non-driveability.  All the computer does is force the m
   etering rods to move slightly to adjust for emissions.  I don't thi
   nk the difference would even be noticeable when driving...
















































------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:51:15 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Windshields.

Had the good fortune to follow a rig pulling a flat bed(two lane road, no
passing), with a dozer on it. A piece of concrete fell off hitting the 75
on the windshield and the top. Ins.. paid for a new shield, 976.00 bucks if
you can believe the list prices. I couldn't believe it. Anyway, I got a new
tinted and shaded windshield w/ antennae installed, the guy took about 2.5
hours prepping it for the new one. Did one heck of a good job. The new
glass is LOF just like the original, didn't know they were still is
business. Now for the top. Just sharing, have a fine week end all. And now
for my patio door.........................
Lou Biggs

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:50:15 +0200
From: "F.J.R. de Neys" <ron.deneys@wxs.nl>
Subject: parting out '72 cutlass

Late reaction to your offer.

Are the front brake drums still there ??

My left front drum has a hub (for the nave?) on it and I can't seem to
get another drum anywhere.
Right side is a drum without the hub thing (in fact I think it's a '74
Nova rear break drum).

Ron

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:07:18 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl to 4 bbl Conversions; Whad'ya think?

Karl - I've still got the 2 bbl intake manifold, carb and air cleaner from
my '71 Cutlass 350.  Any interest?  Peter.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Decomputerization, Part 2

David L Wyatt wrote:

OK, the carb I understand, but why the different HEI.

>Sorry, should have mentioned this in the last post. A computer
controlled HEI will have NO advance curve if not connected to the
computer. The early HEI has both mechanical (weights and springs) and
vacuum advance.



==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our Oldsmobiles and more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:26:34 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odometer Manipulation

In a message dated 8/28/98 3:49:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cfair@FairIsaac.com writes:

<< When did they make 'em tough to manipulate?

 cf
  >>

     Must not have been until after they quit makin g-bodies : )   Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:31:20 EDT
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners

In a message dated 98-08-28 16:52:20 EDT, you write:

<< Enjoy your Olds to the fullest!  However you like it!

 Anyway....off my soap box.. Hope I don't trip on Joe's stump.....:-)
  >>


<V B G >    Glad to se that there are others who think like I do . I kinda
knew I would like this list after I saw the posts on  on Turbos , NOS and the
edelbrock heads  :-)

Joe Stackman

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:45:52 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Aluminum Heads at DMR

I posted this before, but in case you missed it:

Dick Miller Racing has got a pair of the Edelbrock Aluminum Olds Heads for
sale @ $1499 (pre-assembled with valves, springs etc.)

tel:  901-794-2834
e-mail:  dmracing1@aol.com

jp

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:45:51 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: This is my car.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:18:35 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Mission Fast Street Car Impossible

As an FYI--

Paxton centrifugal superchargers REQUIRE mechanical secondary carburetors,
as the throttle shafts are pressurized by the blower......I'm unsure of how
the pro injection setup operates, but any vacuum secondary carburetor will
be unusable with a Paxton.....


At 08:59 AM 8/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/27/98, 1:47:53 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
><<Does paxton make an intake to put the supercharger onto the 455, or are
>you having it custom made?  What kinda scratch does that all run ya?>>
>No need for an intake. You force the air right into the top of your carb.
Some
>people put the carb in a fabricated box with a tube running to it. I bought a
>8'' inch aircleaner and where the element goes im going to seal it and run a
>tube to it and just bolt it to the top of the pro injection
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chris sparks 442

- ---TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN <trondped@c2i.net> wrote:
>
> come on gang Chris`s 442 is one the interactive car show and he
needs our vote
> here is the adress:
>You got my vote,although that GS did look nice...did I really say that?
                John
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:45:11 -0400
From: "-DLM-" <dmengel@nb.net>
Subject: will it work?

hi all, does anybody out there know if a 307 balancer will work on a
455?will it cause any internal dammage?

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:44:57 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: This is my car.

Brett, SWEET car....very nice.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:57:48 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 72 H/O paint questions- Mad H/O owners

> << Enjoy your Olds to the fullest!  However you like it!
>
Mad?  Who, me?  :)  Read above statement.  I agree, as long as it's
ROCKET POWERED!!!!

The stock vs. modified debate has gone on ad infinitum.  And will
continue to do so forever it seems.  I like em both ways.  I personally
PREFER to try to keep my H/O stock, only to help preserve the heritage.
However, it was VERY common to immediately modify these cars straight
out of the showroom.  My 71 442 is NOT stock, and I thoroughly enjoy
driving it as well.

I think MANY of us "older" crowd, myself included, couldn't wait to
modify our Oldses when we were in our younger years.  But for me, the
mere fact of getting older, and looking back at what once was...well,
there's a certain nostalgic feeling at looking at a bone-stock old Olds,
kinda sorta like trying to relive the memory of hurrying down to the
Olds dealer when the new models arrived to gawk, or test drive the ones
we thought were cool.

So, in essence, I do very much appreciate the bone stock cars, but who
can resist a modified fire-breathing monster OLDS engine rumbling to
life?  I was absolutely estatic to learn about Edelbrock's new Olds
heads.  Although it may be quite some time before I can afford them...

I re-iterate the aforementioned statement, that you should enjoy your
Oldsmobiles any way you can in the manner you desire, because 1) they
don't make them anymore, and 2) One of these days, you may not be able
to enjoy them with continued legislation restrictions.

Oldses are just plain fun, regardless of the wrapper.

Unsolicited opinions from
Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:02:02 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: will it work?

> hi all, does anybody out there know if a 307 balancer will work on a
> 455?will it cause any internal dammage?

If I remember correctly, the 307 balancer was somewhat smaller and
thinner than the 455 one.  I may be wrong here.  I bought a new one from
GM for my 455 for 60 bucks when I rebuilt the 71's engine about 4 years
ago.  Don't know if they're still available or not.  Personally, I
wouldn't try it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:19:41 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rocket Talk for those who are habitually Late

Anyone?


Anyone????

Karl

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:26:52 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Oil and detergents

Flynt - I can't speak to Mack oil, but, an old - timey trick for cleaning
out an engine safely is to substitute a quart of motor oil with dexron ATF.
The dexron is a light weight, highly detergent oil that can clean minute
passages and loosen detritus from the engine internals.  Change oil again in
1,000 miles.  Works well, damages nothing.  Peter.

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:26:59 -0400
From: Don Casteel <dcasteel@gcnet.net>
Subject: Swap Meet

What is the date of the fall Charlotte swap meet?



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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:53:30 -0700
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: W-31

For what it's worth my book only shows 3.91 with 3.42 as the only option
(other than dealer)
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 W-32

- ----------
> From: Smetana, Christopher <csmetana@dowagro.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: W-31
> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 9:39 AM
>
> Std was 3:91 and I believe options where  3:42, 4:33 and 4:66.  And the
> dealer could install a -->5:00<--
> And I'm pretty sure they were all anti_spin, but not positive.
>
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> work: csmetana@dowagro.com
> home: chris@abcs.com
>
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others
> >

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:56:22 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Signing Off...Be back soon!

Fellow Rocket Drivers,

Well, I've come to the end of my first week on the Olds list and have
learned an incredible deal of information.  Unfortunately, I will be out
of town for a week.
I'd like to thank those who have offered me assistance.  I'll sign on
again when I get back.

Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350

"Paper beats rock, rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, and
Oldsmobile beats everything!"

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:07:20 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Surge Tank

Hi list members, in search of h*lp once again.
I have a '70 Rallye 350. I just replaced the gas tank. On the back of the gas
tank, the two rear vents, vemt into what is called a surge tank.Two black
hoses that go into a plastic like tube. My question is this; Inside this
plastic tube is supposed to be a foam filter. Mine doesn't have one. Does
anyone know where I could get one of these filter, how haas them, or what
could I use in replace? Is this piece really neccesary?
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
'70 Rallye 350
'70 Cutlass S W31

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:11:47 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 ID

Joe,
I own a Rallye 350 also. The only way to authenticate a Rallye is by
documentation like a build sheet or production sheet. All Rallyes were made in
Lansing, Michigan. The paint code would be two dashes that look like this: -
- -
I also know that the Rallyes sometimes came with chrome bumpers. I talked to a
guy at the nat's and he said that they were used as "company cars"
Jim McKeague
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html


 I am wondering if anyone on the list knows how to authenticate a Rallye 350
 bye the VIN and or cowl tag?  What is the paint code for this car ? Where
they
 plant specific IE Lansing ? And any other things that could be used to
 authenticate  this car before I buy it.  Thanks in advance.

 Joe Stackman >>

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: This is my car.

- ---"Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net> wrote:
>
> Brett, SWEET car....very nice.
>
> Mike Rothe
>
- ----Agreed--Like the Dreamer too...!!!
        John
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:47:40 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Chris sparks 442

TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN wrote:

> come on gang Chris`s 442 is one the interactive car show and he needs our 
vote
> here is the adress:
>
> http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom2.html
>
> We will vote for him right gang.
>
> Trond.

 =========================
Got my vote Chris.

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:39:48 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: will it work?(harmonic balancer)

In a message dated 98-08-28 20:47:28 EDT, you write:

<< hi all, does anybody out there know if a 307 balancer will work on a
 455?will it cause any internal dammage? >>

     Also, what damage, if any would result? I used the 307 balancer on my
403. The 403 balancer is the same as the high performance 307's, I just found
out, but mine wasn't a High Per. 307.   Dorian

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:54:58 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Votes needed...

Uh oh....  They finally put it up (didn't think they would!  Wow!)  So, Chris
Sparks has his 442 up in showroom 2 (which ~will~ get my vote there!) and my
buddy's GTO is in showroom 4.  Of course, it's a bit screwed up, so I don't 
know
if the votes will work there, but check it out anyway...  And see it doing a
small burnout on John's SuperOlds page!  Link shows an empty image, and labels
as a 69, but the ~car~ is there, anyway...

http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/showroom4.html

http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/showrooms/cars/68-pontiac-gto.htm


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