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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 15 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1484



Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: alternator or Battery
Re: SS 1 ID
Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME
1981 Delta 88
Re: Daily driver
Re: Locks and Questions....
Re: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME
Automotive URL List
ENGINE OFFSET CCMAGAZINE
Re: parts needed for 75 olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME
Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top
Re: HE*P NEEDED ON 84 DELTA  II
Re: HEI: MSD coil/module and 6AL compatability
360HP 455
Re: block thread messed up! Suggestions?
Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?
Edelbrock performer rpm cam Q
Re: Looking for a good daily driver
Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
Re: Looking for a good daily driver
Re: Edelbrock performer rpm cam Q
Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type
looking for Mr Stoner
455 Intakes ID Question
Re: 360HP 455
70-72 Master cylinders
Re: 360HP 455
Re: 360HP 455
Re: Fibreglass repro hood
Re: Looking for a good daily driver
Re: 360HP 455
Car/Parts 4 sale
Alternator question
RE: Locks and Questions....(200-R4 Trans)
RE: Fibreglass repro hood
Re: alternator or Battery
Re: 70-72 Master cylinders
Re: Locks and Questions....
Re: alternator or Battery
Re: 455 motors

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:57:42 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

> Depending on your cam and other stuff you will most likely spin the tires
> good, get good off the line and superb midrange pull.  Also, expect speeds
> like 140 mph + depending on powerband.  If you have stock hight tires
> (205/70/14s) I calculate you need 4350 RPM to do about 140 MPH

It takes ~gobs~ of power to make bring a 2.29 off the line cleanly.  Much more
than a normal 455 can make.  They're dog gears.  Plain and simple.  I loved the
top-end of mine...  Or should I say the ~lack~ of top-end of those gears...
The car took ~forever~ to get to 35, but once there, there was no slowing
down... ~ever~!!!  Not much for racing, but if super-high speed is your game,
than you've got the right combo.

But, as said, the torque required to get those gears turning is very high.  And
if you've got enough torque to spin 'em up quickly, you're going to need tons 
of
mods to get 'em to hook up...  And tons of luck to get 'em to stay together.


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:00:25 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

> Just about everything except the body panels,

Even some of those.  The doors are identical...  The front clip, as a 
~complete~
unit, will allegedly bolt up, as long as it's kept ~complete~  Fenders won't
interchange, nor will hood, bumpers, etc.  But the entire unit will...
allegedly.  The mechanicals are all based upon the same platform, so it'll all
interchange, too.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 22:04:42 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: alternator or Battery

At 07:12 AM 9/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>My 94 Che!y Cavalier has a problem and I cant figure out what it is.  There
>is a humming sound coming from the alternator.  The car want start after It
>runs for a while. I tried to test the alternator by disconnecting the
>battery and the car shuts off. Don't know if that is an accurate test for
>these new computer controlled cars though.  The alternator light never came
>on either. Can any one tell me a sure fire test to help me determine if it's
>the Alternator or the Battery.


    Check for about 14 vdc from alt. output.  If the alt. output is OK, make
sure that the battery connections are clean.


    Glenn
    '69 4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:17:52 -0400
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: SS 1 ID

Early SS1 if it's stamped "795 C".  Early '66 (first year offered) if the
spokes are shiny chrome, not satin finish.

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: mitzm@earthlink.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: SS 1 ID
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 10:12 PM
>
>
> I've been on the list since nearly the nearly the beginning, almost
> entirely as a lurker on the digest mode. All the olds-mania is great.
>
> I like to cruise the pick-a-part yards in the LA area every couple of
> months looking for the little stuff to keep my 70 CS going and maybe
> upgrade it a bit.
>
> This last time out I came across a 14 inch SS 1 wheel with an Olds center
> cap bolted on.  The wheel is all chrome except for the black painted
areas,
> no trim rings.  The center cap is pot metal, a bit bigger than a shot
glass
> and is bolted to the hole in the hub using a retainer plate on the back
and
> two bolts.  The style of the logo on the cap is identical to that on the
> 60s-70s SS IIs.  When I got it home and popped off the tire it measured
out
> to a 6 inch rim :( with "14x6 JK" stamped inside the rim.  Is this the
60s
> SS 1 that doesn't fit disk brakes or is this a dime-a-dozen 80's wheel?
> Because of the old style center cap I was thinking it was an older wheel
> but the fact that it looks like it would clear disks makes me wonder.
The
> Year One catalog lists the 60's as being the only 14x6 SS 1 but I suspect
> there may have been a similar wheel made for the G bodies but with a snap
> on center cap.
>
> In any case, I only bought it out of curiosity and the thought that it
> might be of interest to somebody else as I am about to upgrade my CS to
> 15x7 SS 2s with bolt on center caps.  Any body want it?
>
> Hans Naepflin
> 70 CS Convertible 252000 miles and rolling!
>
> Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net
>
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:44:23 -0500
From: "Poppy30" <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
Subject: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME

- -----Original Message-----
From: Poppy30 <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:43 PM
Subject: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Poppy30 <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 12:58 PM
>Subject: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME
>
>
>>I OWN A 71 CUTLASS SUPREME HOLIDAY COUPE, 350ENG. I WAS TOLD, AND I
>>COMFIRMED, THAT THE ENGINE IN SUPREMES ONLY ARE OFFSET TO THE RIGHT 1
>INCH.I
>>AM IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING A455, AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THE ENGINE MUST
BE
>>CENTERED OR HEADERS ETC.... ARE GOING TO HIT EVERYTHING,SINCE THEY ARE
MADE
>>FOR ALL CHASSIS EXCEPT SUPREME. I EVEN TALKED TO MONDELLO AND HE CONFIRMED
>>THE OFFSET, BUT DIDNT KNOW WHY OLDS DID IT. WILL THE 455 BOLT TO THE 350
>>MOTOR MOUNT FRAME BRACKETS,AND DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT I WILL HAVE TO CHANGE
>>OR MODIFY TO CENTER THE ENGINE,IE  DIFERENT BRACKETS AND IF ANYONE HAS
>>THEM.ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED....POPPY30@MSN.COM
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:08:06 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: 1981 Delta 88

Hi all,
   I was at an auction today and they had a 1981 Delta 88 for sale with
42,000 actual miles. The car looked like new and did not have any rust
visible from what I could see. The car was a 4 door, power steering,
brakes, tilt, cruise, power seats, and automatic. I was going to try and
buy it but the bidding got up to $3300.00 and I was hoping to get it for
around $1800.00. Just wanted to see what others would consider a good
price for a car like this.

Thanks,
Tom

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:27:42 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Daily driver

In a message dated 9/14/98
 8:<BR41:<BR20 PM Central Daylight Tim, super442@yahoo.com writes:

> Sorry gang.....losing my mind here.....Will whoever was wanting the
>  daily driver "close to Tenn." please contact me...found a couple of
>  interesting prospects.....

S,

I was the guy. What do you have?

Don Carron

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:35:35 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Locks and Questions....

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                                   Hilltown, PA

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT) S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
writes:
>
>Hi gang,

>       If anyone ever has any lock probs,I will do what I can....for
>my cost.That includes if you want cars keyed alike,etc.Ign., trunk,2
>doors and glovebox usually costs around $20-$30 my cost.Thats for new
>locks.
>
Hey Sman,

A lock question.  I have a pair of keys with little gold Olds emblems
embedded in them.  They're from an 88 Olds something or other.  I've
heard that different year cars had slightly different key patterns.  So
if I cut the keys the same as mine, wil I then discover that they'll
slide in but not turn?  They seem to slide in fine now, uncut...  My
car's an 87, the door locks are original, the ignition switch is from my
86 CSB...
Thanks Sman.

Ray

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:38:35 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                                   Hilltown, PA

Hey Poppy 30,
Take a lok at Tech talk in the latest car craft.  If you don't have it
let me know and I'll send you a retype of the offset engine info in it.

>>>I OWN A 71 CUTLASS SUPREME HOLIDAY COUPE, 350ENG. I WAS TOLD, AND I
>>>COMFIRMED, THAT THE ENGINE IN SUPREMES ONLY ARE OFFSET TO THE RIGHT
>1
>>INCH.I
>>>AM IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING A455, AND HAVE BEEN TOLD THE ENGINE
>MUST
>BE
>>>CENTERED OR HEADERS ETC.... ARE GOING TO HIT EVERYTHING,SINCE THEY
>ARE
>MADE
>>>FOR ALL CHASSIS EXCEPT SUPREME. I EVEN TALKED TO MONDELLO AND HE
>CONFIRMED
>>>THE OFFSET, BUT DIDNT KNOW WHY OLDS DID IT. WILL THE 455 BOLT TO THE
>350
>>>MOTOR MOUNT FRAME BRACKETS,AND DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT I WILL HAVE TO
>CHANGE
>>>OR MODIFY TO CENTER THE ENGINE,IE  DIFERENT BRACKETS AND IF ANYONE
>HAS
>>>THEM.ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED....POPPY30@MSN.COM


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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Padavano <joe_padavano@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Automotive URL List

Gang,

I just stumbled onto this list of automotive-related URLs, put up by SEMA, the
Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association.  It's quite comprehensive.

http://sema.org/hyperlinks/a.html

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30





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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:35:30 -0500
From: "Poppy30" <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
Subject: ENGINE OFFSET CCMAGAZINE

THANKS RAY. I DONT HAVE IT, THE INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
POPPY30@MSN.COM

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:51:42 -0400
From: "PATT" <pdooley@gte.net>
Subject: Re: parts needed for 75 olds Cutlass Supreme

What kind of other parts?  I've got a complete interio... in burgandy.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: parts needed for 75 olds Cutlass Supreme


>squeegy wrote:
>>
>> Can any one find me a front bumper or some rear quarter panels for my 75
>> Olds Cutlass, or any other part you might have.  E-mail me at
>> desn0004@Algonquinc.on.ca
>
>I have a 75 Cutlass S that I'm parting out. The front bumper may be in
>good shape but I definately think it needs a re-chroming. I'd give it to
>ya for decent price. If you're interested, e-mail me. I'll have to
>e-mail my dad to see what he says.
>
>thanx
>--
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
>1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
>1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
>1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>**************************************************

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:39:52 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: ENGINE OFFSET IN 71 SUPREME

Ray Costanzo wrote:
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                                    Hilltown, PA
>
> Hey Poppy 30,
> Take a lok at Tech talk in the latest car craft.  If you don't have it
> let me know and I'll send you a retype of the offset engine info in it.
>

Ray, I'm interested in this also. Could you please send me a copy?

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:19:17 -0400
From: "PATT" <pdooley@gte.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top

Have you checked a company called Force One in Atlanta.  I've got there
catalog... I'll check and get back to you next time I'm up since I don't
have the book with me right now.  Thery're an expensive group to buy from
but the catalog has some detail.
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Kreitzer <john.kreitzer@gte.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top
>
>
>>John Kreitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed before on the list but I've been off
>>> for a while and don't remember seeing it before. Question 1, does
>>> anyone out there know how much padding was used under the Vinyl Top on
>>> the 72 Hurst. Question 2, does anyone know what style and a source for
>>> the Trim around the vinyl top. Any input on these 2 items would be
>>> gratefully appreciated as I'm getting close to installing it and would
>>> like to make sure I do it as close to correct as possible.
>>
>>I would be interested in this info also.  Not started on mine yet, but I
>>can retain the info for later.  Where are you located?  Anywhere close
>>to Lexington. Ky?
>>
>Don,
>No real info. of yet, I've got a e-mail in to Steve at Brothers Auto.
Hoping
>for some help there. I'll let you know if I here anything. By the way I'm
>from Southern Wisconsin, a few miles from Kentucky.
>John
>

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:56:21 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: HE*P NEEDED ON 84 DELTA  II

S-MAN wrote:

> ----Hi...the WD-40 isn't real bad about drying out,I just spray a
> little in all about 1-2 times a year ....graphite is kinda powder
> based, once it's in, it really has no where to go, and when it "dries
> out" it get's  built up. This can cause problems. Ex.-In office
> buildings,most of which are on a masterkey system, when graphite is
> used, the buildup is substantial enough to cause the wrong key to work
> a lock. Granted this doen't nessasarily pertain to the GM design...but
> at least the WD-40 doesn't harden,it evaporates...all that is needed
> is another shot and you're back in business.
>
>                  SMAN

SMAN,
Have you ever tried a product called Lock Ease?  It is a liquid graphite
made by the AGS Co.  I've been using this brand for years on my cars,
household locks, etc.  Doesn't gum up.  Seems to keep locks from freezing
too.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:10:11 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: HEI: MSD coil/module and 6AL compatability

Okay, you have to buy(or make) an adapter that would use the magnetic
hookup from the HEI to drive the magnetic trigger on the MSD. I bought the
adapter cause it was only 6 bucks. You will ditch your module as the MSD
does what the module does, only more efficiently. You can spend all that
money on the MSD billet distributor, but the hei is already there and is
an efficient piece of equipment, I kept mine and it's been great. I
suggest you keep yours.

Ben


Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> I just got a HEI distributor for my '71 cutlass that has a four pin
> module and vacuum advance.  I ordered an MSD module and coil along
> with a weight/spring advance kit.  I currently have an MSD-6AL box.
>
> What do I need and how do I wire all this stuff up?  The current dist.
> has a three wire connector coming out of it.
>
> Do I need any adapters?  Do I even need a module with the MSD-6AL?
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
> -greg

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:39:04 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 360HP 455

Some of you know the specs on my 455, but for those who don't here it is:

'76 block. .030 10.1CR pistons(TRW), .10/.20 under crank, all new berrings,
oil pump, etc.(full rebuild).  The cam is Speed Pro 272/280 AD, .448/.472
lift.  The heads are J-s/ported and polished.  Intake is stock egr block
off(but I have a non-egr one to put in).  Carb is 750cfm Q-jet of a '70 442,
all emissions controls are gone.  It breaths through stock manifolds and
dual 2.5" front pipes, balancer tube, Dynomax super turbo 2.25"mufflers and
tailpipes. 2500stall converter, shift kit, 3.23s posi.

Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
(excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then I
must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
"how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know what
they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid off
lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:03:15 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: block thread messed up! Suggestions?

uh its a water pump mounting boss no oil pressure but coolant leaking into
the crank case and I too have successfully welded blocks and heads warpage
is not a problem if the heads and crank are installed and torqued to spec
the heat is concentrated cleaning is not that big of a deal just degrease it
with gumout and brakeclean is fine if you have access to a mig or better yet
tig welder and can cover the adjacent portions no worries....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: GChris1511@aol.com <GChris1511@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: block thread messed up! Suggestions?


>I have had experience with welding cast iron blocks.  Most of it because of
>improper freeze protection.  That does not work.  Book says it should.
Welder
>promises it will. Requires adjacent block temps in the 800F range.  Need
for
>cleanliness that is hard to obtain.  I wouldn't weld on it unless you are
able
>to prevent warpage of the block.  Problem is finding the warped componet
>before it fails.  However your problem is not fluid pressure which wants to
>leak, which is what happened to the repairs in the blocks I have seen. If
you
>did nothing assuming the missing block chunk is not wider than the flange
not
>much would happen except some oil leak.  You could probably fill the hole
with
>RTV.

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:46:31 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?

I agree that 2.29s suck plain and simple.  But with stock 455 '76 Delta I
had (where I got the 455 out of) with 2.56s and a better muffler/no
catalytic the thing was pretty damn good off the line.  Though my van with
its 4.10s, 367 and R.V. cam was just quicker off the line, there was no
comparison in torque.  After about 35 like you said, the 455 rockets off
like a ROCKET.  Of course, the 3.23s and the 455 in my '81 Delta can woop
the Van bad, the '76 was all stock and heavy and still quick.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: 455 w/a 2.29:1 gear ratio?


>> Depending on your cam and other stuff you will most likely spin the tires
>> good, get good off the line and superb midrange pull.  Also, expect
speeds
>> like 140 mph + depending on powerband.  If you have stock hight tires
>> (205/70/14s) I calculate you need 4350 RPM to do about 140 MPH
>
>It takes ~gobs~ of power to make bring a 2.29 off the line cleanly.  Much
more
>than a normal 455 can make.  They're dog gears.  Plain and simple.  I loved
the
>top-end of mine...  Or should I say the ~lack~ of top-end of those gears...
>The car took ~forever~ to get to 35, but once there, there was no slowing
>down... ~ever~!!!  Not much for racing, but if super-high speed is your
game,
>than you've got the right combo.
>
>But, as said, the torque required to get those gears turning is very high.
And
>if you've got enough torque to spin 'em up quickly, you're going to need
tons of
>mods to get 'em to hook up...  And tons of luck to get 'em to stay
together.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:55:05 -0500
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Edelbrock performer rpm cam Q

Hey guys, been out for a while... but it's good to be back.. This summer I
rebuilt the old 350...


arias 10.25 pistons, z-gap rings, Mondello's roller rockers, edelbrock 
performer
rpm manifold and cam...this cam is a LOT for an oldsmobile in my opinion - 
maybe
too much


I've only put 5 miles on it, so I have reved it up yet, but I wanted to ask if
anyone else has experience with this cam.


Just cruising I was a little dissapointed.. Before the rebuild I could easily
break the tires loose, too easily, even with the posi, 255/60's and the ssm
machine lift bars.. Won't even chirp now..


It does slap your head into the seat with a 3000rpm slap of the throttle
though..


Also, the reason I only have five miles on it is after the first drive a rocker
backed off.. I relashed it, and the next time out a rocker on the other side
came off. I just finished relashing it and tighted the set screws so hard I
thought I was going to break. Has anyone else had a problem like this? I've
built a few ch*vy motors and never encountered a problem like this 
before...This
is the first olds ive put an adjustable valtrain on though.


One last thing, I have an edelbrock carb on there. Never had problems before,
and this may or may not be related, but if you stomp on the gas, instead of
revving up real quick, it's slow and feels like it's fighting me. The engine's
been balanced so that's not the problem..


Any Ideas? I'd certaily appreciate the response!

I miss the Cutlass more than I'd care to admit...




T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks

					

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu		


<bold>University of Oklahoma

</bold><italic><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Aerospace
Engineering

</color><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Mechanical Engineering

</color></italic>


"If it was put together, it can be taken apart."

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:50:25 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a good daily driver

Speedcom wrote,

> I have also seen Thrifty Nickel...

Yes, it is, only less organized.

Kevin

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:14:46 -0400
From: "PATT" <pdooley@gte.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top

Have you checked a company called Force One in Atlanta.  I've got a catalog
and I can check.  Next time up I'll forward what I found out; haven't got
the book with me.  They're anexpensive group to buy from..
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Kreitzer <john.kreitzer@gte.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds Vinyl Top
>
>
>>John Kreitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure this has been discussed before on the list but I've been off
>>> for a while and don't remember seeing it before. Question 1, does
>>> anyone out there know how much padding was used under the Vinyl Top on
>>> the 72 Hurst. Question 2, does anyone know what style and a source for
>>> the Trim around the vinyl top. Any input on these 2 items would be
>>> gratefully appreciated as I'm getting close to installing it and would
>>> like to make sure I do it as close to correct as possible.
>>
>>I would be interested in this info also.  Not started on mine yet, but I
>>can retain the info for later.  Where are you located?  Anywhere close
>>to Lexington. Ky?
>>
>Don,
>No real info. of yet, I've got a e-mail in to Steve at Brothers Auto.
Hoping
>for some help there. I'll let you know if I here anything. By the way I'm
>from Southern Wisconsin, a few miles from Kentucky.
>John
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:56:24 EDT
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

Is the differential on an 84 Buick t-type and the trans anything special?
Should I grab them if they are 3:73 posi? Is the transmission special in those
cars the reason I ask is there ia a compete t-top car in the wrecking yard,
and I mean complete. All the way down to the t-tops.The car is mint. But thats
what we get here in our california wrecking yards. The car is identical to an
86 grand National- black and every thing. Any body out there with a freind
into Buicks. This car is nice.  Will anything fit into my 84 H/O if something
fails in the future?
Thanks
Dennis(15 Olds' and maybe a Buick in the future)

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:57:42 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a good daily driver

Don,

I saw a 2 today while driving around K-town.
However they do appear to be in short supply
in Knoxville.

Kevin

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:04:58 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock performer rpm cam Q

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You managed to do 5 miles without getting on it.  I swear, I only put on =
about 1/8 mile around my street on my first engine (455).  Then I =
stoped, floored it and went.  It burned the tires (255/60/15s and 3.23 =
posi) for a good 10 feet, hooked, shifted at 3000 RPM (stock old crapy =
vac. modulator) at WOT, broke the tires loose, then hooked and went.  =
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oil and called it broken in.  With just one mile on the ODO, I went and =
had some fun with it.  I know that this is a terrible thing to do to a =
new engine, and it being all the money I had makes it all that worse, =
but the temptation was overwhelming.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200r4/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tracy H. Shires <twodogs@ou.edu>
    To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Monday, September 14, 1998 11:53 PM
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    Denton, Tx 3 Sticks
   =20
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:05:27 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Parts interchange from an 84 t-type

> Should I grab them if they are 3:73 posi? Is the transmission special in 
those
> cars

The diff should be a 3.42, if it's a Turbo Regal.  A good gear, by any account.
May or may not be posi.  Definately worth grabbing, though, IMHO.  The trans
should be the 2004R, updated a bit for shift performance, as far as I've heard.
I kinda need one (but am broke...  and in Montana...)  Good to hang on to, 
also,
if it's a Turbo Regal.

> Any body out there with a freind into Buicks.

Me.  Does it have the full guage cluster?  My 83 also needs the clear lense 
that
covers the whole thing, along with some guage parts.

> Will anything fit into my 84 H/O?

Yup, lots.  Not sure, but I ~think~ the T-tops may be different.  I know they
changed somewhere along the lines...

> Dennis(15 Olds' and maybe a Buick in the future)

Ooh.  I may have been passed!  (better start filling out these credit card
apps.....)
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:12:32 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: looking for Mr Stoner

Has any one heard from Tom Stoner?
Tried mailing him, his server would not accept it.
I need to talk to him.

Kevin White
83 CSB, FE3X clone
86 CS	

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:20:44 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 455 Intakes ID Question

I have a stock '76 Delta 455 intake.  It is a EGR one.  The code on it is:
W stamped up front, back has:
412753
*D1 BY
Y

I piked up a non-egr intake from a guy I know who put a Edelbrock performer
on his 455.  The code on that one is:
L stamped up front, back has:
404521
*D1V

My question is what is the difference in flow/performance is between the two
and what did the second non-egr one come off of.  Would it be worth the
trouble to pull the '76 one and put the non-egr one on.  My EGR valve is
pluged off on the '76 and I have no polution crap hooked up.  For engine
specs, look at my 360HP 455 post.  Just tring to get some more HPs out of
that engine. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:19:30 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

In a message dated 98-09-15 01:40:46 EDT, you write:

<< Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
 (excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
 327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
 What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then I
 must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
 "how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
 dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know what
 they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
 even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid off
 lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.

 Igor Todorovic >>

Shouldn't you be worrying about the torque rating? I mean the 455 must put out
double the torque of a Chev small block, but not as much HP for the
displacement. Who cares as long as the car gets rolling quickly? : ) I thought
that was what Olds motors were about..torque. Thats why you can get away with
the higher gear with an Olds. Maybe I am wrong here, anyone?   Dorian

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 23:14:09 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: 70-72 Master cylinders

There was some discussion earlier regarding the differences between the
1970-1972 master cylinders.  Hopefully the following info will help:

1970 Power disc. All models (1st design. Dual bail) 1.125" bore.
1970 Power disc. All models (2nd design. Single bail) 1.125" bore.
1970 Manual disc (including W-30) dual bail. 1" bore.
1970-1972 Power or manual drums.  Single bail. 1" bore.
1971-1972 Power disc. (incl. W-30). 1.125" bore. (Same as '70 2nd type).

1971-1972 Manual disc (W-30). Dual bail. 1" bore.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:44:57 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

Oh no, you are right.  Olds motors are all torque.  BUT still, you look at
some of the older machines.  375 hp 455s, 390 hp 455s.  Means lots of torque
at some RPMs too.  I don't want to rev my 455 past 5000 but I would like HPs
in the 300s and torque well into the 400s.

- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: 360HP 455


>In a message dated 98-09-15 01:40:46 EDT, you write:
>
><< Anyways, I was looking at Edelbrock homepage and their powerpackage
> (excluding their heads of course) and the thing seems to peake at about
> 327HP.  Seems vary low to me.  I would like to get 360HP out of my olds.
> What should I change.  If all this edelbrock stuff makes only 327HPs, then
I
> must be under 300.  How did '68 Deltas make 390 HPs.  When people ask me
> "how much HP does you engine make" and I say around 300, you see this
> dissapointed look on their face.  If I told them 250, I don't even know
what
> they would say.  My friends 350 Chevy makes 300HPs and I can kick his but
> even thought he has 3.73s and I 3.23s.  He has a '79 GMC but he got rid
off
> lots of weight, and my Delta is not a lightweight.  Thanks.
>
> Igor Todorovic >>
>
>Shouldn't you be worrying about the torque rating? I mean the 455 must put
out
>double the torque of a Chev small block, but not as much HP for the
>displacement. Who cares as long as the car gets rolling quickly? : ) I
thought
>that was what Olds motors were about..torque. Thats why you can get away
with
>the higher gear with an Olds. Maybe I am wrong here, anyone?   Dorian

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:08:55 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

In a message dated 98-09-15 02:46:57 EDT, you write:

<< Oh no, you are right.  Olds motors are all torque.  BUT still, you look at
 some of the older machines.  375 hp 455s, 390 hp 455s.  Means lots of torque
 at some RPMs too.  I don't want to rev my 455 past 5000 but I would like HPs
 in the 300s and torque well into the 400s. >>

Don't forget, pre 72 vehicles are NOT SAE ratings..a '71 Toronado 455 put out
350 hp/465 torque, and a 72 put out 265/375 at virtually same RPM, and the
same CR. Compare that to a 72 Corvette 350....255/280. They aren't even close
in torque, but they are darn close with HP. It just doesn't mean much when you
have a bigger bore.

                                Dorian

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:46:57 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Fibreglass repro hood

> ----I had one of those on my 69 before the W-30 hood...to me it looks
> cool at first but tires rather quickly....and if you're gonna copy a
> 69 H/O...NO offense towards Tom, just an info point.....the 69 H/O's
> hood only had about a 6"x6" square cut out for the air to come
> in.....if Tom opened his up a to a bigger size hole....I say he's
> smart...I went with a standard size hole...not enough air flow in my
> opinion....I'm sure I'll hear from Mike shortly <G>

Heh heh.  Well, you did.  The hole's actually closer to 5.5" x 6", but
with that much room under the scoop, who's measuring?  True, the scoop
isn't what I'd call a beauty for every car, but I agree that it seems
like it only looks good on the Hurst.  It's an image thing, more than a
functional thing.  And if you can find an original scoop, going that
route, you're better off.  The repros are more flimsy, though accurately
shaped.  The tell tale is that the bottom of the scoop opening is very
thin compated to the original, plus the studs are in the "wrong" place.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:48:27 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a good daily driver

In a message dated 9/15/98
 1:<BR02:<BR03 AM Central Daylight Tim, KWhite5590@aol.com writes:

> I saw a 2 today while driving around K-town.
>  However they do appear to be in short supply
>  in Knoxville.

Kevin,

they are turning up for me as well. I should have checked the papers before
putting out the call to the list. Heck, it turns out that there is a good car
available in the family now that I've asked (Saab...not much of an Olds :-).

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:51:47 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 360HP 455

In a message dated 9/15/98
 1:<BR47:<BR12 AM Central Daylight Tim, igor455@home.com writes:

> Oh no, you are right.  Olds motors are all torque.  BUT still, you look at
>  some of the older machines.  375 hp 455s, 390 hp 455s.  Means lots of
torque
>  at some RPMs too.  I don't want to rev my 455 past 5000 but I would like
HPs
>  in the 300s and torque well into the 400s.

Igor,

The other question that should be asked is "How does the Chevy guy arrive at
his Hp figure?" It is probably just a number that sounds good to him.

So, you drag a guy and lay him away. He says "Yeah, but I've got 390 Hp and
you've got only 250." Just smile and walk away, eh?

Cheeers/Carron

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:14:06 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Car/Parts 4 sale

Well guys and gals made my rounds to the junkyards this weekend and here are a
few of the things that I've found. I'f you are interested please e-mail me
privately at
SOMMERVLLE@AOL.COM  or call (910) 487-1540 home or (910) 396-5420 work ask for
SSG Chris Sommerville (I'm in the Army, located in Fayetteville NC) all parts
are priced without shipping
all of this stuff is subject to trade need some 69 442 parts, and always
looking for another 442.
MY STUFF
1970 442 south carolina car, has some rust and dents but is a solid start. Is
a bench seat, auto on the column 455 AC car. Has the wrong year 455 in it but
know where the original 455 is located at. Car has potentialwas green on green
w/ black leather interior. Have pictures and can e-mail on request want $1200

68-72 A body rear end 3.73 posi complete (it's out of a ch-vy) good shape $350

ladder bars and mounts for GM A body $75

Set of weld wheels front 2 are 15x5 and rear 2 are 15x8 good shape $400

new 4 core radiator for 68-72 442 used one month $200

flowmaster exhaust from the header collectors to exit behind rear wheels  good
shape $100

set of "C" heads pulled off of a running motor I would say that they need to
be gone through $125

set of "8" heads off of a running motor $75

picking up a 1969 C/S parts car in decent shape has a #5 headed 350 and a
turbo 400 e-mail for needs

Junkyards, will act as the middle man and I will have to get a price from the
yard for you.
1968 442 some small items no nose has a "C" headed 400 and auto trans (Sitting
for some time)

1966 or 67 F85 (2, one is a post car) and cutlass complete

several 1969 and 70-72 cutlass's 2 and 4drs

1971 442 been stipped inside and doors are gone rest of car in decent shape

several 455's most with G and J heads. one E motor

2 sets of T-Tops for 1979 and newer cutlass's good shape

several 73-77 cutlass and 442's

TONS of G body stuff in great shape
If you are interested let me know Thanks Chris

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:16:53 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Alternator question

with the accessories on, my radio and lights have a slight quiver when the car
idles. This disappears when I accelerate. I bought a chrome alternator
(63amp) from JC Whitney and have a feeling  that may be the problem OR could
it be my carb is idling too slow? Any siggestion greatly appreciated.
TIA
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 08:24:35 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: RE: Locks and Questions....(200-R4 Trans)

Been there, heard that......got the trans rebuilt
The 200-R4 in my '87 442 whined for 2 years before it grenaded itself
pulling away from a stoplight like a granny.  Granted the car has 125k on
it w/ regular fluid/filter changes.  How many miles are on yours.  Typical
trans overhaul/replacement for that one is around 100-120k miles from
experience and horror tales.  Remember it was originally designed from the
200C metric 3 speed auto trans, which wasn't any kind of great trans.  The
200-R4 was behind the Buick GNX back in 1987 (or was it 88) so GM could
build them to withstand some seriuos abuse.  Grand National/T-type owners
seem to have alot of knowhow about these trans.  Anyone got the homer page
for them?

Check the fluid for a burned smell, this shows that somthing is amiss in
the trans.  I've been using Hurst Hot Shift trans fluid for 5 years, both
before & after the trans explosion (actually just the converter, but the
shrapnel ate up the pump and other vital parts) and been happy w/ the
performance.  It does firm up the shifts & runs cooler.

FYI my rebuild was around $800 from a VERY reputable shop and it came w/ a
1 year/12,00 mile waranty to boot!

Note: DO NOT USE B&M Trans Fluid IN TRANSMISSIONS W/ LOCKUP TORQUE
CONVERTERS !!!  All I know it it has torn up 2 acquaintances 200-R4 trans
also (both Monte Carlo SS')

>    Got a question for you guys (& Gals), I've developed a WHINE in
>rev and drive,park and neutral are  fine and quiet....it's a
>200-R4.Anybody ever had that kinda problem before...?

 -----  Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
|  |  | OCA# 18984
|  |  | 1987 442 W-42
|  |  | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|  |  | President, Oldsmobile Centennial Club (Maryland Chapter of OCA)
|  |  | Oldsmobile Centennial Club Web Site: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
| /|\ | H: brad442@erols.com
|/ | \| W: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
|  |  | OCA: WebGuy@oldsclub.org
 -----  Oldsmobile Club of America Web Site: http://www.oldsclub.org

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:30:24 -0400
From: "Fields, Brent (SE_ENG)" <fieldsb@valeo.sylvania.com>
Subject: RE: Fibreglass repro hood

I wouldn't waste my time on US Body Source.  I ordered a hood, front fenders
and trunk lid for my '71 Supreme from them about 3 years ago.  They told me
that the only way they would get me a trunk lid was if I sent mine down
there to make a mold from it (even though they advertise one in the
catalog).  I ended up ordering my hood from Year One (came from Glasstek,
very good quality) and for all I know my fenders are still ordered!
Needless to say, I waited for a whole summer and got nothing, I was not
impressed!
Brent Fields
www.fieldsb@valeo.sylvania.com <mailto:www.fieldsb@valeo.sylvania.com>


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	COUPEKING@aol.com [SMTP:COUPEKING@aol.com]
	Sent:	Monday, September 14, 1998 7:50 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Fibreglass repro hood

	Address for US Bodysource? Price of HD hood? Catalog?
	Email?
	Thanks-

	Peter
	CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:39:03 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: alternator or Battery

>> My 94 Che!y Cavalier has a problem and I cant figure out what
>> it is.  There is a humming sound coming from the alternator.
>> The car want start after It runs for a while. I tried to test
>> the alternator by disconnecting the battery and the car shuts
>> off.

*gack*  Don't _do_ that. The charging circuit isn't designed to
be open; the battery should always be present. (Browse any manual
in the Engine Electrical section and notice all the warnings about
not disconnecting the battery when the engine is running.) You risk
toasting the alternator that way, although frankly it sounds like
yours is history anyway.

>> Don't know if that is an accurate test for these new computer
>> controlled cars though.

Nope, and it never was before that, either. Some others here have
said that the engine would keep running when they did that for
short intervals, however.

>> The alternator light never came on either. Can any one tell me
>> a sure fire test to help me determine if it's the Alternator
>> or the Battery.
>
> Check for about 14 vdc from alt. output.  If the alt. output
> is OK, make sure that the battery connections are clean.

Hear, hear. If it passes an alternator output test (pretty much
any engine analyzer will cover how to do that in the instructions),
I'd check both ends of the battery cables... including the ground
cables.

The whining sound from the alternator may be either that it's
tearing its li'l heart out trying to charge a bad battery, or
its bearings are simply shot.

The alternator warning light would tell you if the battery was
not charging, but it would not tell you if the battery was not
_holding_ the charge.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:39:21 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70-72 Master cylinders

In a message dated 9/14/98, 11:28:08 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<There was some discussion earlier regarding the differences between the
1970-1972 master cylinders.  Hopefully the following info will help:

1970 Power disc. All models (1st design. Dual bail) 1.125" bore.
1970 Power disc. All models (2nd design. Single bail) 1.125" bore.
1970 Manual disc (including W-30) dual bail. 1" bore.
1970-1972 Power or manual drums.  Single bail. 1" bore.
1971-1972 Power disc. (incl. W-30). 1.125" bore. (Same as '70 2nd type).

1971-1972 Manual disc (W-30). Dual bail. 1" bore.

Greg Rollin>>
Greg speeking of master's,i heard of someone using a newstyle master with the
plastic bail.Any suggestions.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:44:42 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Locks and Questions....

> I've heard that different year cars had slightly different key
> patterns.

The profiles may change from year to year. They're identified by
a letter stamped on the head of the key... just digging in my
pocket here, I see that my glove box key for the '93 SSEi is a
code H, for example. (By profile, I mean viewing the key end-on.)
If the blanks will slide into the lock, you've got the right
profile for that year, so once the cuts are made, it should work.
(We're not talking about resistor-chip anti-theft keys here, just
plain old metal ones.)

You can always swap key cylinders, of course, if you want to use
the same keys on a '76 and a '78, or some other pairing where
the cars would normally use different code letters.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:57:05 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: alternator or Battery

In a message dated 9/15/98
 8:<BR44:<BR43 AM Central Daylight Tim, acg_o@hotmail.com writes:

> The alternator warning light would tell you if the battery was
>  not charging, but it would not tell you if the battery was not
>  _holding_ the charge.
>

I had an 88 Buick in which the warning light was in series with the common
point on the windings and ground. If the alternator quit charging, the common
point would be above ground and the light would illuminate.

Well, the danged lamp holder had an intermittent "open". The battery would
discharge but the light wouln't be on. Nothing would make it come on!!! thing
drove me crazy for nearly a year. I'll bet I had that oolternator off 5 times.
replaced it once for no reason. Finally a clever mechanic showed me the lamp
in a circuit diagram and it all came clear. I soldered the damn thing in.

Cheers/carron

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:04:19 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 motors

In a message dated 98-09-13 20:53:46 EDT, you write:

<< I am intrested in some information on 455's. I am looking at a 1970 455
that needs a rebuild but was in decent shape when pulled from the car. The 70
has the E heads on it. I am also looking at a 1975 455 with the J heads and
has a pretty fresh rebuild on it now. The 70 455 will take $200.00 to buy and
the 75 will take $150.00 to buy.  I do know the 70 has much better heads and
also higher compression. My question is, does the older 455's have much
thicker cylinder walls than say a 75 455? and or can you build up the 75 455
with out many problems or no? I think I am just going to buy both of them, but
for now I am looking for just a good driver motor for the 70 CS I have and
feel the 75 would be suffice if I put in HEI, Aluminum Intake, and a good
Holley or Edelbrock carb for now. I do know ahead of time that many olds
enthusiast hate the J heads, but this can be fixed latter, you still will have
a boat load of torque in the motor good flowing heads or not. Tom Williams >>

Karl would like to offer you two dets of J heads in trade for the E heads.

Seriously.
E heads are prolly worth $150 more than the J heads.
But the key here is do not buy a damaged block!
(If you can help it)

If E heads owner does know Oldses, look out, under priced!
Karl not know about cyl wall thicknesses, check FAQ at www.442.com.
Prolly summat in there.
Mebbe.

<< good flowing heads or not >>

Well.
Not really.
See www.racermall.com and consult the lectures of the perf prof.
Lecture; Where Air, it Goes
Motors are really air engines.
The limiting factor (affects power band significantly) is the capacity for
airflow!
Witness the 1966 W-30 intake on FAST cars!
(three 2v carbs!)

Karl saw a 6 2v intake for a Frog  the other day.
Karl was kinda scared.
Moved to next vendor section quickly.

And yah, sorry to keep harping on same HiPo Prof topic.
But.
If Ken Snyder can thank me for directing him there, what can you-all lose?

SOM
&KA

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