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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 30 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1521



FOR SALE 1985 442
Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: Non Posting
UNBOUNCE: Who's represented on 442.com?
More Edelbrock RPM
RE: ignition advance: more info out there?
Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD
Re: Swap meet bride
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
other mailing lists?
RE: "OLD Junkyards"
Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: The elusive sport steering wheel
Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet
Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s
Digest Size
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
Trials of a List Administrator (non-Olds)
Aftermarket Radio for 72
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
RE: Trials of a List Administrator (non-Olds)
Re: Car Alarms >>Kinda Long
numbers matching cars
Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet
Re: numbers matching cars
Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet
blank
Sidewinders
list cars.
Speakin' of pinging...
Re: numbers matching cars
87 442 rarity.
Tweeter Dome Location??
RE: Car Alarms
Re: numbers matching cars
Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: Questions for Igor.was Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:40:00 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: FOR SALE 1985 442

Excellent condition. Located in Suffolk county New York. Those interested
will receive more INFO. upon request (to much to list)

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:56:04 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?

Kerry,
No expert, thought pinging, (preignition) was caused by something igniting
the fuel/air mixture before it's time, (hot piece of carbon, too hot of
plug, rough spot in combustion chamber, low octane fuel, excessive heat in
chamber, wrong spark advance or too much spark advance total). Piston is
still on it's way up on compression stroke, way before the 36 to 40 degrees
normally used in spark advance. This also usually occurs at lower engine
speeds, for example, 30 mph in high gear, then nailing the throttle. Still
a single flame front, just way too soon! Two flame fronts colliding is
detonation, much more serious in breaking up parts, especially pistons
tops, or alum heads. Good explanation but what you are calling preigntion,
is detonation as per your example of the flame fronts colliding. Experts,
am I wrong here?
Lou Biggs

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> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:40 PM
>
> OK what is ping? It is the result of preignition the "ping" is the
collision
> of two opposed flame fronts. preignition is the result of a superheated
area
> of the combustion chamber or piston top thus igniting the flame front on
an
> opposing angle to the primary flame front by reducing the ignition
advance
> the heat in the chamber is reduced by the action of "quench" when the
heat
> in the chamber is reduced the air fuel charge appears to be richer thus
> "quenching" the hot spot thus endeth the lesson....kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:58:59 -0700
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

As per eariler reply of another list member, thanks for the reply. I now know
what this switch is called. Will probley go to the local Kragen, or Grandauto
this weekend and pick on up and do the swap. I figured your one of the best
people to ask of this information, because you seem so knolegable. Boy what a
great list this is. You get all your questions answered, Again thanks. Babyboo

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> Speaking about 455 motors, I've had this reacurring problem I thought i'd
> ask
> the list. On my car{a 1970\442}, theres this sort of switch located behind
> the accelerator inside the car....I don't know if this
> "switch "is exclussive to the 70\442, or if all 455's have it. I don't know
> if I can take it out and clean it or would be better of just buying a new
> one? TIA,Babyboo.
> __________
>
> This is the kickdown switch to activate the 3 to 2 shift in the TH400.  Any
> 68-72 TH400-equipped A-body has the switch, as do any with a Jetaway.  I
> suspect the same switch was used on _all_ 68-up GM cars with electric
> kickdown (earlier ones used a switch mounted on the engine side of the
> firewall), but the bracket may be different.  You can certainly grab the
> switch and swap it onto the new bracket.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:09:36 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Non Posting

To All:
Server went to a V-90 digital system, have had problems, I was getting
multiple postings yesterday, then none at all. Sorry!
Lou

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> From: Christopher Casteel <earthsci@pop.usit.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Non Posting
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:40 AM
>
> Yeah, 2,3, maybe 4 times (lately)...
>
>
> >believe me, Lou - EVERYTHING you post gets to everyone on the list.
Trust me
> >on this one.

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:11:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Who's represented on 442.com?

Mike, still a problem with your address...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Subject: Who's represented on 442.com?

Hello all,

Occasionally when I see someone list their car/cars (lots of cars in some
cases) at the end of their post to the list, I'll look at the virtual car
show on 442.com and locate a picture of said vehicle. I've noticed that
there are a lot of folks who don't have their cars out there. I'm really
surprised by that! I know as a fellow Olds owner that each and every one of
us have at LEAST one good photo of our car, and more than enough words to
say about it. I'd really like to see more of us have our cars represented
on the web, especially on the Champion of Olds web pages.

Just my 2
(Hope I don't overwork you, Bryceman!)

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:12:27
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: More Edelbrock RPM

Anybody tried the complete package on a 403 ?
and how will it do on the dyno. ?



At 29 Sep 98, you wrote
>I'm not gonna give you any heat, to the contrary...I
>AGREE!!!! I have the complete RPM package on my
>65 and it "dead" below about 3500 rpm.It screams
>above that, but you just dont get above 3500rpm
>very often when cruising to work and back. My car
>has really takin' a hit in it's low end torque, now Im
>looking at building a TH-350 with a 3000+ stall just
>to get outta the hole (accelerate from dead stop).
>
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:15:58 -0600
From: Arnold Alvin TSgt <ARNOLDA@SCHRIEVER.af.mil>
Subject: RE: ignition advance: more info out there?

  Pinging is detonation!  It is your engine's inability to proper utilize
the fuel as delivered within it's timing sequence.  You have some fixes to
consider; a camshaft change that allows for the higher compression your
engine has with an overlap that in effect bleeds off the high compression.

  I'm sure what I'm about to say regarding the next fix action will raise
eyebrowes and that is higher octane fuel may be necessary; you guys building
11.5 compression or higher engines are wasting your time putting a can of
104+ octane additives into your gas tank... to ever see a worthwhile change
you would have to add triple the amount advertised on that large can of 104+
and even then adding it to 93 octane fuel you would only see a 98 octane
rating.  Popular Hot-Rodding had an article regarding octane additives and
high octane fuels if you want the exact issue I'll tear apart my bathroom
looking for it.  The $ you spend on additives is a waste... your chasing
snake oil enhancement.

  Aluminum heads are an option... anytime you can cool off the compression
chamber the less chance for detonation to take place, and this includes your
intake a 160 thermostat combined with a high volume radiator and water pump
will also help.

  Remove those high compression pistons... put in some dished pistons that
lower the compression to no higher than 9.1 compression ratio.

  Retard your timing; and if it it still is "pinging" have someone customize
your advance curve on a distributor machine.  Cost is around $40 at most
speed shops.

  Hope this helps.

Louie Arnold
'84 GN
http://www.inergy.com/iraceit





> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Lou Biggs [SMTP:lbiggs@intertek.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:56 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
>
> Kerry,
> No expert, thought pinging, (preignition) was caused by something igniting
> the fuel/air mixture before it's time, (hot piece of carbon, too hot of
> plug, rough spot in combustion chamber, low octane fuel, excessive heat in
> chamber, wrong spark advance or too much spark advance total). Piston is
> still on it's way up on compression stroke, way before the 36 to 40
> degrees
> normally used in spark advance. This also usually occurs at lower engine
> speeds, for example, 30 mph in high gear, then nailing the throttle. Still
> a single flame front, just way too soon! Two flame fronts colliding is
> detonation, much more serious in breaking up parts, especially pistons
> tops, or alum heads. Good explanation but what you are calling preigntion,
> is detonation as per your example of the flame fronts colliding. Experts,
> am I wrong here?
> Lou Biggs
>
> ----------
> > From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
> > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:40 PM
> >
> > OK what is ping? It is the result of preignition the "ping" is the
> collision
> > of two opposed flame fronts. preignition is the result of a superheated
> area
> > of the combustion chamber or piston top thus igniting the flame front on
> an
> > opposing angle to the primary flame front by reducing the ignition
> advance
> > the heat in the chamber is reduced by the action of "quench" when the
> heat
> > in the chamber is reduced the air fuel charge appears to be richer thus
> > "quenching" the hot spot thus endeth the lesson....kk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:23:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> Y'know, that must precede the Rear Defogger Flamewar, the
> Toro-up-on-blocks debates, Checkers the dog... If there was
> an Iraqibu flamewar, I don't remember it. Can you summarize?

No, not a flamewar, but some good posts...

<Our Story So Far>

Somewhere around 1981 or so, GM Canada got a contract from the Govt. of
Iraq to build some very strange cars: V-6 Chevy Malibu sedans in mostly
pale pastel shades with a/c, stereos, 2.29 rear gears, and 3-speed manual
stickshifts on the floor. The contract was for a few thousand units. After
they were built, Iraq cancelled the contract and GM was stuck with them
and decided to unload them here at a discount price. They were pretty
awful cars but found some use as taxicabs or brand-new beaters.

The relevance here is that since they had the pedal/clutch linkage you
need to convert a G-body to a manual trans, they are in demand in
junqueyards. A few still turn up.

Andy then posted the following:

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:56:48 -0400
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Subject: Re: New to the web/Clutch Linkage

>Anyway, they have been hitting the junkyards up here for a few years now,
>and I still see them on the street from time to time.  If you ask for an
>"Iraqibou" to anyone in the business up here they'll know what you mean if
>they are on the ball.

Right, everyone junks them right and left for a while, but a few survive.
After a while the hunt for parts leads the remaining owners to form the
Iraqibou Owners Club (IOC), with a mailing list of about fifty who get
a photocopied newsletter ("The Raq-Top") every other month. One of them
hears about the Internet, and his college-aged offspring organizes an IOC
listserv setup (to subscribe, send Email to iraqibou-request@ccn.cs.dal.ca)
to which everyone in the IOC subscribes via their AOL accounts. Finally a
web page is set up so the proud owners of beige Iraqibous can show off
their cars; thanks to the limited option package, only one .JPG image is
actually needed and everyone's listing points to the same file.

Have I missed anything?  :-)


Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Adobe Systems, Inc. (formerly Frame Technology)
Advanced Product Services
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:35:30 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Swap meet bride

> Met my (now ex) wife at a swap meet.
>
> Greg Rollin
> ________
>
> Greg, just to be clear, I assume that was an _auto parts_ swap meet.  ;-)
>
> Joe Padavano

 Joe,
Your assumption is correct.  'Twas not a "flea market" bride!


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:44:41 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

babyboo@pacbell.net writes:

> I don't remember from previous threads what kind of car this is,

It's in the title-
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

84 DRB meaning Delta88 Royale Brougham (named the Broham)

Joe

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:56:13 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: other mailing lists?

This is not an Olds question,

Does anyone know of any Ford mailing lists besides Mustng lists? I'm
trying to locate an engine for my '87 Taurus, and the reman ones are WAY
too expensive!

On an Olds note, is anyone interested in a 77-79 350 with 3A heads that
needs a valve job?

Jim...

1985 Cutlass (parting out)

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:56:34 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: RE: "OLD Junkyards"

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Check this months Hemmings they have some listings for '37's, not necessarily
just in NC

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Don Casteel [SMTP:dcasteel@gcnet.net]
Sent:	Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:23 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	"OLD Junkyards"

I should have asked this sooner, since I'll be leaving early Friday
morning.  I am going to Charlotte, North Carolina over the weekend (I
live in Maryland).  Is there anyone that lives in that area that might
know where there is an "OLD" junkyard that might possibly have some
parts for a 1937 Oldsmobile Coupe!  Would appreciate any suggestions and
will check them out when I get down there.  Thanks!
Don

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:00:42 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

Evenin' Rocket Drivers,

I gave up on trying to keep names with snips, so I've included only the snips.

> It seems that the method given (by Joe???) jumped the GM solenoid out of the
> circuit.

This is exactly right.  In the instructions given in the post in question, the
following was specified:

"...jump the "S" terminal on the GM solenoid to the large battery terminal on
the GM solenoid."

The "S" terminal is the one that goes to the GM solenoid.  The large bettery
terminal goes to the starter motor.

> I assumed that the Bendix gear would sling into position by servo
> action from rotation of the starter. Is this the case?

I can't say definitively, here.  Though that seems to be correct.

> As soon as you turn that ignition key, number one solenoid fires down to
number > two solenoid which then fires down to your starter. You've doubled 
your >
solenoid draw on your battery and your starter has that much less current to >
draw from the battery.

        Actually, number one solenoid (the F*rd solenoid) engages and the
current flows through the jumper, bypassing the other solenoid, and goes
directly to the starter motor.  No additional current draw exists.  Remember,
whenever a short is present in an electrical system, as is done intentionally
with the aforementioned jumper, current will bypass the shorted component.
Electricity follows the path of least resistance.  If one path has practically
no resistance, all current will flow down that path.  Two sexy electronic
equations, Ohm's Law and Kirchoff's Law, sort of describe the whole idea.

        Enjoy,

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

P.S.  No flames intended or implied.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:14:18 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: The elusive sport steering wheel

Kerry, have a whole 69 C/S parts car what you need, Chris

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:36:11 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

StafRT007@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ya oookkk budy.  Thousands of people do this to eliminate a hot start problem
> (because it works)

It worked for me!  Been running it with a CSI mini starter on the 71 442
for over 4 years now.  Works like a champ, no regrets.  Of course, I
cheesed out and got the Summit solenoid kit instead of building my own.
I just didn't have much experience with FORD stuff.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:42:32 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

Just my .02,

> I assumed that the Bendix gear would sling into position by servo
> action from rotation of the starter. Is this the case?

>>I can't say definitively, here.  Though that seems to be correct.

The idea behind the GM starter solenoid is a magnetic field is created
to pull the plunger into the solenoid, thus pushing the drive out with
the fork. If you don't engage the magnetic field, the drive will just
sit there and spin. Kinda like my old Buick with the 396 in it.. *grin*

Jim...

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:52:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet

- ---Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com> wrote:
>
> S-MAN wrote:
> >
> > "Man, that's bad as hell!". Wonder what he would have thought had I
> > been driving Topless?!?!?
>
> That's slang for:
>
> "Let's follow this guy home, and take his ride"  hahahaha....


- ----Home guarded 24/7.....4 nights a week with shotgun out
side.....take your chances....pick a night :)
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:03:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s

A few more notes on this, something I was considering doing but haven't
been able to find yet. Someone here has the gauge part of the setup but
lost the rest of the panel surrounding it, so I can't use it.

On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Frederick S. Nissen wrote:
> A few additional notes on this swap:
> - Factory gauge package was first offered on '78 models.

I saw one in a yarde recently that had a single vacuum/economy gauge on
the right side of the column. Didn't take it because the woodgrain panel
surround was faded beyond use. Don't know what years these were offered;
this car was a '77 or '78 I think. Wonder how rare this is?

> - Also note that the woodgrain pattern changed in '80 (grab the RH panel
> as well unless you don't mind a mismatch.)

'80 and up panels are easier to find here, by far. But there's also a
problem, which is:

> - If you have cruise control and / or a rear defogger on a '77 model
> (some mid '80s cars also have this problem) the switches may have to be
> relocated as the factory put them next to the steering coulmn where the
> gauge panel wants to be.  Get a RH panel with the appropriate cut outs.

This is very tough to find as there are many variations of this panel --
cutouts for none, one, two or three switches, and the possibility of a
hole for a RH remote mirror as well.

Mike J., it was real neat to see pics of a '78 non-Royale Delta on the
web. I must put some pics of mine up there too someday. Is there a
homepage for yours too or are these pics standalone?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:09:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Digest Size

Well, the votes are counted and the verdict is in:

40k digest size: 3
60k digest size: 6
(Not an overwhelming turnout)

So I guess it stays at 60k. Thanks for your votes!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:14:09 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

Ok, time for my .02

Currently I'm running a Kenwood KRC 480 head unit
			Kenwood 10 disc changer
			Kenwood 7-band EQ
			Kenwood 200 watt RMS amp
			JBL 150 RMS amp
			JBL 10' Subwoofer
			Kenwood 200 watt RMS 3-way hatchback box
			Infinity 6 1/4 front door speakers
			Pioneer dome tweeters

in my 67 Cutlass convertible

I've had all different brands of stuff, with good and bad experiences.

DO Consider	anything Kenwood, MTX, Sony, or Infinity

AVOID AT ALL COSTS	anything JBL, or especially JENSEN.

I've blown countless amps and speakers trying for that crystal clear yet
really loud sound.  It's almost as expensive a hobby as my car itself!
Stick with Kenwood, you can't lose

art

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:26:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Trials of a List Administrator (non-Olds)

  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

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Tom Lentz forwarded this to me a while back, and I forgot to thank him. I
got a charge out of reading it, particularly in light of recent events...

Apologies in advance for the length, but I laugh so hard I cry every time
I read this.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Lightbulbs]

I have a mailing list @ my local ISP.  They have been having problems with
the server, so the admin made a mailing list of the mailing list owners,
something like 'maillistowners' He has made a few announcements lately
telling us what is going on, and so forth. They finally seem to have
gotten it working, and he sent a piece of humor "How many mailing list
members does it take to change a light bulb"  which discussed the various
and sundry stupid things people will do:

Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 1,331:

1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that
the light bulb has been changed.

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
light bulbs.

53 to flame the spell checkers

156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
mail list.

41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.

109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb

203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling
and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.

111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all
use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant
to this mail list.

306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
are faulty.

27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different
light bulbs

14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to
post corrected URLs.

3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are
relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
this list.

33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including
all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."

12 to post to the list that they are uns*bscribing because
they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."

4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.

1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.

47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
meant for, leave it here.

143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.

I, who should have know better, posted a followup of a few bits I
thought were missing from the list

You forgot a few:

27 to post in HTML because they are using the IE or Netscape
that had it turned on by default and are too clueless to
look

48 to complain about the HTML posts

27 to post 'sorry I didn't realize it was on' -- in HTML

96 to complain about more HTML and post detailed instructions
on how to change the setting

58 to mumble something about using a web browser to read mail

12 MIME posts with useless colors and bolds saying thanks
for the help with the HTML mail

1 to post a GIF/JPG of the lightbulb hanging too close to
their digital camera.

1 complaint from the guy using /usr/ucb/Mail who wants to
know what the *@&(%$!@ has been going on

58 to complain about the binary post

74 to say they liked the binary and didn't mind it

1 post about how you can MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!! by selling
lightbulbs and this report available for only $5.

1328 to reply to the list with the full spam attached and
then put 'remove' at the end

3 to flame the other morons for replying to the spammer
and CCing the list

1 from the list admin notifying that the list is looking
for a bigger server to handle the load

There have now been several followups:

"How did I get on this list?"

"How do I get off this list?"

"REM*VE"

"REM*VE
UNS*B
SIGNOFF
REM*VE
TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST"

"uns*bribe" [sic]

"Morons, you have to send it to the majordomo address"

"How am I supposed to know that?"

If it wasn't so pitiful, it would be funny.

<end>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:35:56 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Aftermarket Radio for 72

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I am torn between two brands to buy for my 72 Olds 442:

Custom Audiosound Mfg.
Kenwood

The Custom Audiosound Radio fits with NO HACKING of the dash, has 60 watts
of power Am/Fm cassette 24 presets, sepereate bass & treble control, fader,
RCA preout, music search and can control a 6 DISC CD CHANGER from the same
controls as the radio.  $289.00  with 6 disk CD changer = $600.00

The Kenwood has basically the same options as above and controls a 10 DISC
CD CHANGER.
$370.00 with 10 disk CD changer  = $650.00

My questions are as follows:
Which is the BETTER quality/reliability Unit?
Which would be the better buy per price ratio?
Or should I look for other brands?

I don't want a 500watt system, I just want a nice sounding system that
looks original. My 455 motor just kills the sound my factory AM/FM stereo
produces. Not to mention only 1 front speaker works in the car.

The Custom Autosound units come with a 1 year parts/labor warranty, I don't
know about the Kenwood.


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:39:19 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

On my 72 442 conv't I don't have the kickdown hooked up. It has a 455 with
a TH-400. Passing is NOT A PROBLEM, as I can rip anyone in 3rd grear. Even
when going about 30MPH in 3rd I can floor it and there is no problem
passing, even though it doesn't shift back to 2nd gear. I think it is
better this way because I would just blast the tires if I am going about
25MPH in 2nd and floor it. The car starts to go sideways.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: babyboo@pacbell.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 3:58 PM
>
> As per eariler reply of another list member, thanks for the reply. I now
know
> what this switch is called. Will probley go to the local Kragen, or
Grandauto
> this weekend and pick on up and do the swap. I figured your one of the
best
> people to ask of this information, because you seem so knolegable. Boy
what a
> great list this is. You get all your questions answered, Again thanks.
Babyboo
>
> Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> > Speaking about 455 motors, I've had this reacurring problem I thought
i'd
> > ask
> > the list. On my car{a 1970\442}, theres this sort of switch located
behind
> > the accelerator inside the car....I don't know if this
> > "switch "is exclussive to the 70\442, or if all 455's have it. I don't
know
> > if I can take it out and clean it or would be better of just buying a
new
> > one? TIA,Babyboo.
> > __________
> >
> > This is the kickdown switch to activate the 3 to 2 shift in the TH400.
Any
> > 68-72 TH400-equipped A-body has the switch, as do any with a Jetaway.
I
> > suspect the same switch was used on _all_ 68-up GM cars with electric
> > kickdown (earlier ones used a switch mounted on the engine side of the
> > firewall), but the bracket may be different.  You can certainly grab
the
> > switch and swap it onto the new bracket.
> >
> > Joe Padavano
> > padavano.joe@orbital.com
> >
> > 66 442
> > 68 W-30
> > 69 H/O
> > 69 442
> > 70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:42:01 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

        To All,

        I added a post to this thread in which I made a real issue out of
stressing that the GM solenoid is bypassed.  Well, I had the post all
written and clicked Send just as I was double-checking my drawings.
Although all electrical theory I presented was correct, I was going off of
memory and  may have spoken too soon about the bypassing thing because, as
has been noted, the solenoid is in fact needed to engage bendix.  So, it
may not be completely bypassed.  Feel free to elaborate. Next time I will
not have such an itchy clicking finger. Sorry to confuse.

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:56:03 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Trials of a List Administrator (non-Olds)

On Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:27 PM, Greg Beaulieu
[SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca] wrote: > Tom Lentz forwarded this to me a while
back, and I forgot to thank him. I > got a charge out of reading it,
particularly in light of recent events... > > Apologies in advance for the
length, but I laugh so hard I cry every time > I read this.

[ light bulb joke snip ]

> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

That's great!  That joke's definitely worthy of posting AT LEAST quarterly!  A
very humorous look at the quirks of membership to an e-mail list!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:58:38 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car Alarms >>Kinda Long

Code alarms..well here's the deal..I have never personaly installed one or
owned one.  The only "problem" I ever heard of was that they don't last.  My
neighbor had one in a Grand Am and after about 6 months it stopped working.
The remotes would activate and deactivete just fine but the pin switches
wouldn't engage the alarm, neither would the electronic sensor.  The shock
sensor on the other hand DID work.  He had plenty of grief with getting the
base unit replaced and when he finally did (no charge) the second one died
too.....Now he is "alarm less" and got his money back.  Other than that I know
that they are up there brand name wise, I simply don't bragg about them.


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:38:45 -0300
From: Wade M Hunt <wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: numbers matching cars

If I take the motor,transmission and rearend out of a 69 442 and put
them in another 69 442 would it still be called a numbers matching car.
              wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet

- ---Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> Going where?  What the ....  What Nats?  Why am I the last to know?
(weeps)
> Peter.

- ----Uh...Peter....youdid go ....remeber.....Redzilla pics...check your
time slip :)
         Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: ttjbmm@webtv.net (todd thomas)
Subject: Re: numbers matching cars

I would have to say no. because your engine has Id # that match your
vin# so they would no longer match..
                 mary

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:54:12 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet

Oh, wow, man.  I must have hit my elbow and knocked an alkoloid loose.  I
saw the post this morning. said you were going.  I thought I might miss
something.  Hope you and Pat and Topless are well.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet


>
>
>
>
>
>---Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Going where?  What the ....  What Nats?  Why am I the last to know?
>(weeps)
>> Peter.
>
>----Uh...Peter....youdid go ....remeber.....Redzilla pics...check your
>time slip :)
>         Sman
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:05:46 EDT
From: C442olds@aol.com
Subject: blank

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:03:31 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Sidewinders

<snip> I think it is
> better this way because I would just blast the tires if I am going about
> 25MPH in 2nd and floor it. The car starts to go sideways.
>

And???....I don't see the downside here......  :)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:57:47 -0700
From: "Joe Carey" <jcatgktw@email.msn.com>
Subject: list cars.

1987 Olds. Cutlass 442. Black with maroon interior. Rare and beautiful!

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:32:35 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Speakin' of pinging...

Well, I took the Cutlass out again and she's still a'pinging, not as much as 
I'd
athunk, though.
 I've got cheap Exxon 87 octane in right now, and it's not much worse than with
89 in.  Here's the question: about how far should I turn the distributor to 
see
if I can fix the timing.  I have no timing light, so this is very guess-guess.
John M. already told me about it: mark the dist., loosen the bolt and twist
slightly.  About how far should I be turning the outside of the dist.?
 About 1/2"?  Much more, much less?  And, to retard the timing, I turn in the
direction WITH the rotation of the rotor, right (counter-clockwise)?

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:34:16 EDT
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: numbers matching cars



<snip>
  "If I take the motor,transmission and rearend out of a 69 442 and put
them in another 69 442 would it still be called a numbers matching car.
              wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca  "

   I think the answer here would be "no" the motor and trans would need to
match the last 6 numbers of the VIN code from the car that the motor/trans
came out of.

                                                                 SCOTT

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:34:51 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: 87 442 rarity.

> 1987 Olds. Cutlass 442. Black with maroon interior. Rare and beautiful!

Question:  what makes it rare?  Production numbers of 4,208 isn't that
rare.  Is it the color combination?  Come to think of it, I don't see
THAT many black/dark claret (burgundy) combinations for any of the
85-87s.  I always thought the 85 "great white" 442 was the most limited
color.  Just wondering.  I do realize the rarest Olds of all is the one
that you DON'T own but want to...  :)

P.S. There's no question about its beauty, since one of my 85 442s has
that same black/claret color combo.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:37:57 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Tweeter Dome Location??

Been following the various stereo threads and wondered if anybody has an
opion as to the best location for tweeter domes.

I've thought of:

1) high on front doors to face side to side

2) cutting into dash and bounce off of windshield.

Been leaning towards the door location as I thought bouncing off the glass
would be somewhat shrill as well as too direct.

TIA,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:39:32 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: RE: Car Alarms

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Well, I have one in my '94 Chevy Crew Cab Dually and I had one in my '94 =
Honda Civic Hatchback Si (may she rest in peace) and I have never had a =
problem. The truck has Lojack and the Honda had a Whisper (radar =
detector people) with interior radar. The Honda was broken into prior to =
the alarm and I lost $5000.00 worth of video and sound equipment. After =
the alarm there where several attempts but they never made it in.=20
Friday I pick up my new '70 Olds Delta 88 Convertible with a 350 Rocket =
engine and Saturday it is going to Haas Stereo in Culver City and =
getting an alarm system installed and of course  interior radar will be =
included (it is a must for convertibles). If you want to keep your cars =
put so0mething other than the stupid "Clubs". My friend relied on the =
club and twice, right out in front of his house, they cut through the =
steering wheel and threw the club out on the street. Lots of noise and =
flashing lights, only way to get the extra seconds that just might save =
your car.

Bruce Camilli
1975 Delta 88 Royale Convertible 455ci
1970 Delta 88 Convertible 350ci
1994 Chevy Crew Cab Dually 454ci

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:52:09 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: numbers matching cars

If I take the motor,transmission and rearend out of a 69 442 and put
them in another 69 442 would it still be called a numbers matching car.
              wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca
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Unfortunately, not.  The "numbers" we refer to are derivatives of the VIN
of the car that are stamped on the engine block, trans case, etc.  In other
words, you can absolutely verify that this particular engine block, trans,
etc, were installed by the factory in this particular automobile.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:45:31 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

I just didn't have much experience with FORD stuff.

Mike Rothe
___________

Not so fast, Mike.  That's a Cobra Jet flapper door and vacuum actuator on
your H/O air cleaner.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:43:30 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Not so fast, here: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

> I assumed that the Bendix gear would sling into position by servo
> action from rotation of the starter. Is this the case?

I can't say definitively, here.  Though that seems to be correct.
__________

Nope.  That's the way Ford starters work (with spiral-cut grooves in the
starter shaft to "fling" the Bendix into contact with the flywheel as soon
as the starter motor starts to turn).  GM starters use the soleniod mounted
to the starter to actually move a lever that engages the Bendix.  If you
bypass the starter-mounted solenoid, you negate this function.

The problem with GM starters is that this same soleniod which engages the
Bendix also closes the circuit from the battery to the starter.  The heat
from the motor increases the resistance in this wiring and causes the hot
start problem.  You need to use the Ford solenoid to switch the battery
power, but you still need the GM solenoid to engage the Bendix.  Run a
thick jumper strap between the two large terminals on the GM solenoid, and
another from the top terminal to the "S" terminal.  This takes the battery
switching function out of the GM solenoid, but retains the Bendix
engagement function.  Now simply run the battery cable from the battery to
the BATT side of the Ford solenoid, then from the other side to the GM
solenoid.  The wire from the ignition switch that was originally connected
to the "S" terminal goes instead to the corresponding terminal on the Ford
solenoid.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:58:21 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Questions for Igor.was Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84
DRB)

>First things first, your Clarion deck has 120w? I don't think so.
>The amplifier needed to produce 120w is going to be Twice the size
>of your radio.

It is model #RAX310D, or so (this is my memory only, since the car is at the
bodyshop so I can't look at it), some 4 yrs old or so.  On it and the box if
written "120W (30x4) Maximum Power Output"  Of course, it is NOTHING like a
120W AMP, only a moron would assume so.


>Next, why are your 4" mids mounted low in the center of your dash
>next to your ashtray? This makes no sense, at least to me.


Who says that they are good mids.  They are simply a 4" Clarion spks., 2-way
and are not that great even for 4".  I had 2 channels open and had those
spks. from my old '86 Taurus so I put them in.  (they are inclosed in small
boxes so they look cool).  The only thing they really do is help me hear the
music when I have rear passanges in the car and shut my 6x9s and the SUB
OFF.

>Are your 6x9 speakers baffled? The output of your subwoofer will
>have an effect on the rear wave of your 6x9s if they are not in their
>own enclosure.

They ARE in their own enclousure, and they sound great.

The deck runs the front 3.5" spks. direct.  This way in case I have to shut
all my amps off, I can still run the fronts for some sound.  I have kill
switches for my amps and crossover in the dash.  The EQ has a power button
on itself.  The crossover is Pyramid.  Not the greates unit of course, but
not too bad either.  It was cheap.  The RCA outputs on my deck are conected
to the EQ, then the crossover. RCA cables then go from crossover to amps.
There is 6 cables output in total.  4 for my 4 channel amp. (Clarion, again
don't remember the model #, but can check for you when I get the car back).
This amp runs the 4" and 5.25" spks, as mentioned in the previous post.  The
2 remaining go to the MEI 600 watt amp which run the 2x150W channels to the
6x9s.  The EQ has a sub crossover buit in with a gain switch on it.  It is
RCA output and goes direct to the MEI amp for the 1x300W channel running the
SUB.  The system sounds great (for the money I put into it which is not that
much.  The Clarion amp was used as was the sub, which is Pyramid. The amp
works great, the sub is not that great but is okay.  It is pretty muffled in
that car but you can feel it kick).  The sub is in its own box of course,
homebuilt.  The sound output even on vary loud is clear with strong base.
It does not sound as good in the back seat, but then again I don't drive
back there.  One thing I wan't to do is replace my 5.25" door spks.  with a
Clarion 6"mid +sep. tweet unit.
Befoure assuming anything, ask.  My recomendation was to put a good deck,
good 6x9s, replace the cruddy 3.5"s from factory, get a decent 4-channel or
2-channel amp depending on budget.  This is all I put in my Taurus when I
first got it, had the 4-channel amp run the 6x9s in back and 4" in front and
it sounded good.  It was a budget recomendation, not a show or
how-loud-is-it-outside winner.  Sorry for not listing all my componets
(forgot the antenna and power noise filters, damn it) including their model
#, LED color, brand of wires, car battery, alternator, color of wires, brand
and color of bolts used to mount the amps, deck, type of spk. grills, their
bolts and color........just joking.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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