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oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 24 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1505



RE: Three Simple Questions
Re: To shim or not to shim
Parts for sale
RE: Three Simple Questions
Re: Speedbleeder
Re: heater
Re: Three Simple Questions
Re: Three Simple Questions
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: To shim or not to shim
Re: Vin decipher
Re: Three Simple Questions
Parting out
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: Three Simple Questions
Re: Vin decipher
Re: heater
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Parting out
Re: Three Simple Questions
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)
Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)
Re: License plate choice
Air conditioning cycles on Defrost
more oil stuff
Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)
Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost
Re: Speedbleeder
Strange trans story
UNBOUNCE: Sparky's Smoker
UNBOUNCE: Engine 101
UNBOUNCE: EPA: Response to the 1965 dual cats (getting longer!)
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
76 Delta 88 4 door
1932 F-32 Patrician 4dr Sedan
Racing question
Re: Parting out
Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)
UNBOUNCE: 1932 F-32 Patrician 4dr Sedan
Upper and Lower Boxed Arms ??
Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost
Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass
American Movie  Classics
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Parting out
Re: American Movie  Classics
Re: Parting out

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:38:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: RE: Three Simple Questions

it has to do with the viscousity of the oil....so the higher the number
the more viscous it is...so for 10W30....it has a viscousity of 10
warm/hot and 30 cold.....and i always thought that the W stood for
Winter....but then i again i believe a lot of things...

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Jason Adcock wrote:

> On Thursday, September 24, 1998 6:07 AM, pipe [SMTP:banner@kwom.com] wrote:
> > I have couple of Q's I hope you guys can help me with.
>
> I can help you on 2 and 3.
>
> > No. 2
> > Are electric fans worth putting in. Do they keep the engine
> > as cool as belt driven fans?
>
> Not in my experience, especially with towing.  Even in general, though, a 
real
clutch fan connected > to the water pump pulley will pull much more air than an
electric fan will. > > > No 3 > > This question may sound sophomoric but I
don't know how > > to define the weights of oil. 10W40, 5W30, 15W30. > > What
does the first number stand for? And the second? > > The higher the number, the
thicker viscosity, therefore, the higher temperature to use it in. >  10W30 is
10-weight oil blended with 30-weight oil.  Some folks use straight 10-weight 
oil
in the > winter and straight 30-weight oil in the summer, but most use 10W30
year-round.  If you lived in > Texas this summer, maybe 10W40 oil would've been
a good choice.  :-)  5W30 is for use in climates a > little bit cooler than
10W30 is rated for, although in my opinion, if you keep the oil changed >
regularly, 10W30 will keep you running smooth all year. > > Hope this helps... 
>
 > Jason Adcock > Blacksburg, VA > E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu > Web:
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock >

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:47:02 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: To shim or not to shim

Al, you've convinced me that a shim or two can't hurt and I'll try it.  I'm
assuming these shims are basically just washers, 1/16 in. thick or so?

Todd Morris
71 442

>On the other hand I am running double springs and two shims and have a
>minimum of 55 lbs at hot cruise.  The way to improve your pressure on the

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:41:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Parts for sale

Saw this on the web, usual disclaimers, email him, not me.  Thought
somebody could use 403 pistons.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30
_______________

Olds Parts FS -

Date: 8-28-98
PhoneNumber: 31O-534-329O
Email: BigBob4O9@aol.com
City: Lomita
State: CA
Country: USA

Description

Olds 4O3 TRW pistons .O3O flatop fordged new in box. $2OO. 35O-4O3
Performer intake. $1OO. 455 Olds Torquer
$9O. 31O-534-329O

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:58:24 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Three Simple Questions

On Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:38 AM, Nathyn M. Knipe
[SMTP:nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu] wrote: > > it has to do with the viscousity of
the oil....so the higher the number > the more viscous it is...so for
10W30....it has a viscousity of 10 > warm/hot and 30 cold.....and i always
thought that the W stood for > Winter....but then i again i believe a lot of
things...

I think the 'W' stands for 'Weight'.  This makes sense for, say, 30W oil:
30-weight oil.  But, 10W30?  10-weight-30?  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:57:22 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Speedbleeder

Got 'em on my 67 (4whl drum brake) Cutlass,  love 'em!
Makes bleeding my brakes easier.  and i do it by myself..
$13 for two though.
>Brett
67 cutlass convertible


>
><< http://www.speedbleeder.com >>
>
>Yup.
>First heard of 'em a year or more ago!
>They offer the fitting in several sizes (at like $7-8 apeice??  gotta
lookup)
>to fit many applications. Karl just been too busy to bother to find out
what
>size he needed.
>
>SOM
>&KA

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:05:51 -0400
From: Todd Williams <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: heater

At 09:56 AM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>its startin to get cold and i need my heater in my 72 cutlass supreme fixed
>i do have a heater core in place and not sure but i think i have the blower
>motor too found this blower motor today its under the right side finder and
>isnt hooked up but found where the wires hook up at..but im missing the box
>that goes on the firewall it used to have ac but im not going to be putting
>it back on so if anyone can help me keep warm this winter id love your help
>! ? :)
>
>Todd (todd@wvadventures.net)
>____________
>
>Todd,
>
>I must admit, I'm a little confused by your description.  On the 68-72
>A-body cars, the blower motor is mounted to the "box on the firewall", so
>if that plenum box is missing, I'm not sure how you can have a blower motor
>under the fender (unless it's just hanging there loose).  When you say the
>box is missing, do you mean the half of it in the engine compartment?  Note
>that this fiberglass box is molded in two parts and bolted together.  The
>split line is about where the evaporator goes.  Half of the plenum box is
>under the right side fender - this is the part that holds the blower motor.
>In order to get the air ducted to the passenger compartment, you will
>either need to reinstall this plenum (with or without the evaporator core)
>or convert to a heater-only plenum.  The latter option will require you to
>change out everything else in the car's HVAC system (firewall and
>under-dash plenums, heater core, slide controls on dash) in addition to
>plugging the excess holes that will be left in the firewall.  I vote for
>the former approach.  Note that if you use the original A/C plenum and
>choose to leave the evaporator core out of the plenum assembly, you'll need
>to plug the two holes in the plenum box where the evaporator tubes exit.
>
>Andy Green has already described the blower motor wiring, so I won't repeat
>that.  He's pretty good with electrons.  He has a special way with rear
>window defoggers, too.  ;-)
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>
>thanks for all your help.
the hole box is missing for the firewall i guess it was takein off when the
other owner put a new motor in but i found a motor looks like a blower
motor under the right side finder on the firewall kinda hard to see unless
u realy get down and look for it it used to have a/c but is all missing and
was wondering if i could just get a box thats for no a/c car to use on mine
and if someone has this missing box id like to buy if it will work rite
thanks agian

Todd

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:30:38 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Three Simple Questions

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:38 AM, Nathyn M. Knipe
[SMTP:nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu] wrote: > > > > it has to do with the viscousity
of the oil....so the higher the number > > the more viscous it is...so for
10W30....it has a viscousity of 10 > > warm/hot and 30 cold.....and i always
thought that the W stood for > > Winter....but then i again i believe a lot of
things... > > I think the 'W' stands for 'Weight'.  This makes sense for, say,
30W oil: 30-weight oil.  But, > 10W30?  10-weight-30?  :-)

I thought it meant that the oil was 10 weight that acted like 30
weight???

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:32:33 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: Three Simple Questions

The W stands for weight. The 2 surrounding numbers represent high-low
viscosity.
10W30 means you start your car in the morning at 30 weight. Depending on how
long and how hot the engine gets the oil will thin out to as low as 10W.
wood

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:42:21 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> I shall be running the VCR so will let you know if a copy is worth the
> effort if so itll only cost ya a video tape...kk

Can I get more information on this show or how to get it taped.  I
don't have cable, however, a friend of mine does.  He told me that he
never
heard of Speedvision.

Thanks,
Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:43:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: To shim or not to shim

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Todd Morris wrote:

> Al, you've convinced me that a shim or two can't hurt and I'll try it.  I'm
> assuming these shims are basically just washers, 1/16 in. thick or so?
>
> Todd Morris
> 71 442
>
> >On the other hand I am running double springs and two shims and have a
> >minimum of 55 lbs at hot cruise.  The way to improve your pressure on the
>
Yep, just washers..


Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Re: Vin decipher

> Saw a '71 Delta Conv. for sale in New Jersey that has been garaged for ten
> years. It's in great shape and I am thinking of  buying it. The owner says it
> has a 455. I know the vin would tell me this. If someone could decipher,  I
> would be most appreciative. The # is  3N67U2M533910.
> tia
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 Conv.

3  = Manufacturer: Oldsmobile
N  = Model:        Delta 88 Royale (6400 Series)
67 = Body Style:   Convertible
U  = Engine:       455 cid 4 bbl hydramatic
2  = Model Year:   1972
M  = Built Plant:  Lansing, MI
533910 = build plant sequence number (starting from some value other than 1)

It's a 1972, not a 1971.  The VIN in 72 and newer cars tells you what
engine the car came with.  For a car of this vintage, obviously this
may not be what is in the car now.  I would check numbers on the
engine to verify that it's a 455.  Even the color is not sufficient as
anyone can paint a 350 blue.  I'm not suggesting that this person is
trying to pull a fast one, just saying that the VIN does not tell you
what is in the car now, and the engine color is not enough evidence
either.

The Olds FAQ gives great info on identifying Olds engines.
Olds FAQ is at:  http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm

- --
Drew
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin    <---- VIN decoding pages

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:06:04 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Three Simple Questions

<HTML>
&nbsp;

<P>the following links should tell you more than you ever wanted to know
about motor oil.
<BR>&nbsp;<A
HREF="http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/lubricants/products/oil-labels.html
">Chevr
on Lubricants</A> <BR>&nbsp; <A
HREF="http://www.edge.net/~sloan/us/slotch.html">Sloan Tech Tips Page</A> 
<BR><A
HREF="http://www.ames.net/rboehne/oil/synth.html">Fuel Economy and Synthetic
Motor Oil</A>&nbsp; <A
HREF="http://www.indiana.edu/~volcano/lab-11.html
">http://www.indiana.edu/~volca
no/lab-11.html</A> <BR><A
HREF="http://www.texaco.com/tlc/products/havfor3.htm">Texaco Lubricants - -
Havoline Formula 3</A> <BR><A
HREF="http://www.wizvax.net/eott/oil.html
">http://www.wizvax.net/eott/oil.html</
A>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;<A HREF="http://www.redlineoil.com/raceoil.htm">Red Line 
Oil -
- Race Oils</A> <BR>&nbsp;<A
HREF="http://www.yondar.com/yondar/course2.html">LUBRICATION...a short
course</A> <BR>&nbsp;<A
HREF="http://www.se-r.net/transaxle_clutch/changing_fluid.html">Changing Tranny
Fluid</A>

<P>Mark Hahn
<BR>75 Delta 88 Royale Conv
<BR>Cincinnati, Ohio</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:08:41 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Parting out

Don't remember who, but a post a couple of days ago someone mentioned
"parting out" a 75 Cutlass. Anyone remember who this was or saved the
message. Didn't need anything at the time. Mebbe he might have a right hand
grille, Thanks
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442 all orig.
75 CS same way

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:36:03 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

yes the 74 and older cars are now exempt from emissions testing in
california....kkk
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions


>In a message dated 98-09-22 12:22:43 EDT, you write:
>
><<    A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so what, right?)
passed
>some
> interesting info on to me.  He told me someone in the Corvette club he was
> involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info) that
new
> federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older from
>emissions >>
>
>Seems to me they would mean 1974 cars since the '75 were the first year of
cat
>converters. Just an uneducated guess.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:48:02 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Three Simple Questions

check the starter connections there should be a fat purple wire connected to
the S terminal a thinner yellow wire this is the resistor for the coil it
should be connected to the R terminal and of course the positive battery
cable connected to the stud on the solenoid hope it helps you.......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: pipe <banner@kwom.com>
To: Olds Questions <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:58 AM
Subject: Three Simple Questions


I have couple of Q?s I hope you guys can help me with.
No. 1
A friend and I are rebuilding  a 70 442 and he took out the
engine out but did not label the wires. Now the problem is
when I place the battery in and connect the battery cables
they spark and the starter tries to turn over. Is the starter
hooked up backwards or is there a ground problem?
No. 2
Are electric fans worth putting in. Do they keep the engine
as cool as belt driven fans?
No 3
This question may sound sophomoric but I don't know how
to define the weights of oil. 10W40, 5W30, 15W30.
What does the first number stand for? And the second?
Thanks;

James
70 442
70 Cutlass conv. + parts car
72 Cutlass conv.
74 Olds 98 + parts car

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vin decipher

- ---Drew Senko <dsenko@UU.NET> wrote:
>
> > Saw a '71 Delta Conv. for sale in New Jersey that has been garaged
for ten
> > years. It's in great shape and I am thinking of  buying it. The
owner says it
> > has a 455. I know the vin would tell me this. If someone could
decipher,  I
> > would be most appreciative. The # is  3N67U2M533910.
> > tia
> > Bruce
> > 75 Delta 88 Conv.
>
> 3  = Manufacturer: Oldsmobile
> N  = Model:        Delta 88 Royale (6400 Series)
> 67 = Body Style:   Convertible
> U  = Engine:       455 cid 4 bbl hydramatic
> 2  = Model Year:   1972
> M  = Built Plant:  Lansing, MI
> 533910 = build plant sequence number (starting from some value other
than 1)

     Values start at 400000.
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:30:19 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: heater

> the hole box is missing for the firewall i guess it was taken off
> when the other owner put a new motor in but i found a motor looks
> like a blower motor under the right side finder on the firewall

Just so we're all clear on this (and how much is missing): Is the
blower motor installed in a housing of some kind, or is it just
sitting loose behind the wheel well, like somebody unscrewed it
and just dropped it there?

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:14:03 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

well the show under question here is called American Musclecar: and has a
subject unfortunatly the program tonight is "Camaro" the network is called
Speed Vision it is available on DSS and some cable networks will tape the
Oldsmobile show and make copies for whomever wants one just pay for the tape
let me know privately over e-mail and we'll smooth out the details......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision


>Kerry Kroger wrote:
>>
>> I shall be running the VCR so will let you know if a copy is worth the
>> effort if so itll only cost ya a video tape...kk
>
>Can I get more information on this show or how to get it taped.  I
>don't have cable, however, a friend of mine does.  He told me that he
>never
>heard of Speedvision.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:16:15 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

uh bad news it isnt on o the 25th it must be on next week ........kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hillman <mhillman@ebtech.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 11:48 AM
Subject: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision


>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>I don't know if this is old news but...
>
>Fri Sep 25 at 10:30am (Eastern), probably other times, "American
>Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442" on Speedvision.
>
>Mark Hillman
>'61 Dynamic 88

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:42:28 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Parting out

Lou Biggs wrote:
>
> Don't remember who, but a post a couple of days ago someone mentioned
> "parting out" a 75 Cutlass. Anyone remember who this was or saved the
> message. Didn't need anything at the time. Mebbe he might have a right hand
> grille, Thanks
> Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
> 67 442 all orig.
> 75 CS same way

I have a 75 Cutlass S that can be parted out. If you have a Supreme
(correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think the grilles are the same.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:02:06 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: Three Simple Questions

I took and automotive class at college and if memory serves correct "W" was
for Winter.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:14:58 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> well the show under question here is called American Musclecar: and has a
> subject unfortunatly the program tonight is "Camaro" the network is called
> Speed Vision it is available on DSS and some cable networks will tape the
> Oldsmobile show and make copies for whomever wants one just pay for the tape
> let me know privately over e-mail and we'll smooth out the details......kk

I just went to www.speedvision.com and found that this show (in eastern
time)
is on tonight at 8pm and 12am.  Just FYI.

Chris

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:38:37 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
>
> I took and automotive class at college and if memory serves correct "W" was
> for Winter.

We were JUST talking about Viscosity in my Oceanography class. My
instructor informed us that the second number is the cold weight, the
first number is the warm weight. Viscosity is "the internal resistence
of a fluid to flow" (friction within a fluid). Of course we were
relating that to ocean water, but to give us an example he used engine
oil.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:40:26 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)

We were JUST talking about Viscosity in my Oceanography class. My
instructor informed us that the second number is the cold weight, the
first number is the warm weight. Viscosity is "the internal resistence
of a fluid to flow" (friction within a fluid). Of course we were
relating that to ocean water, but to give us an example he used engine
oil.
________

Sorry, Matt, it's the other way around.  the 10 (for example) would be the
cold weight and the 40 would be the warm weight for 10W40.  The oil is
designed to act as a thinner weight oil at cold temps and a heavier weight
oil at warm temps.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:48:13 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: License plate choice

How about..."U LOST"...It really makes a statement when you pull in front of
the other guy at the end of the run!...LOL...My choice of the examples you
gave is the plain ol' W30.

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:51:00 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost

Just finished my Fall ritual of un-plugging the Air-conditioning pump,
as I see the lines ar all frosted up, due to the air-conditioning pump
running when the outside air is 12 degrees (54 F).  I've heard GM cycles
the air-conditioning on defrost to remove the frost on the wind-shield
when the heater is on deforst?  While this sounds good, I hardly want my
air-conditioning cycling all winter!!!!

Is this true (It seems to hold true from what I've seen), and if not why
does my car do this??

Could someone check their car.. (Mine is a 72 98)

BTW, after driving my 75 Cutlass, stock 350, the 72 98 with 455 SURE has
POWER!

Thanx

Eric Aksomitis
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:53:27 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: more oil stuff

<HTML>
&nbsp;

<P>Here is a very interesting link concerning oil additives

<P>&nbsp;<A HREF="http://www.ll.net/spider/snake.htm">Snake Oil By Chris
Alexander</A>

<P>Mark Hahn
<BR>75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
<BR>Cincinnati, Ohio</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:09:19 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> Sorry, Matt, it's the other way around.  the 10 (for example) would be the
> cold weight and the 40 would be the warm weight for 10W40.  The oil is
> designed to act as a thinner weight oil at cold temps and a heavier weight
> oil at warm temps.
>

Oh yeah......that makes more sense. So what does this tell you about
college?!

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:05:37 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost

Is this true (It seems to hold true from what I've seen), and if not why
does my car do this??
_______

Yes, Eric, it's true.  GM does this for two reasons.  First, by cooling the
air then heating it, the potentially moist outside air is dehumidified,
making more effective in the defrost mode.  Secondly, periodically running
the air conditioning system is required to keep the oil in circulation.
Having it come on during defrost does this automatically (the alternative
is failed seals and loss of freon).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:18:13 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Speedbleeder

> << http://www.speedbleeder.com >>

Got two sets of them last year.  Got one set on my 71 442, and one on
the GMC truck.  Work GREAT!!!!  One person is all you need to manually
bleed the brakes.  I tried em, and I love em.  Not real sure how MANY
times you can open/close them before the thread sealer that's on them
starts leaking, but hopefully you won't be doing it that much.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:27:15 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Strange trans story

Went to replace the yoke on my '75 Delta conv. Couldn't find a good used one
so I bought a new one from the dealer. Although my trans is a 400, the yoke
was too big. On the trans case is stamped 375. Apparently, 1975 was the ONLY
year this size yoke was made. The dealer says the number was discontinued.
Someone said a 350 yoke would fit instead. Does anyone have experience with
this. I could use some h*lp on this one.
TIA
Bruce
75 Delta conv with 350 and 400trans (or is it 375)?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:17:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Sparky's Smoker

Not on the list, respond to gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Sparky's Smoker

All,

Ok....drum roll...here's what we needed to know and more. Which only
brings up more questions too. ):

Results of compression test:

Cyl #   psi   (engine nomencalture as far as cylinder #'s go))
- ----    ---
1       165
2       170
3       170
4       190*
5       160
6       160
7        50/then 175/then 50/then 170  (never got it to settle down)
8       170

*AND, #4 cylinder had a broken stand!! It was broke in two places and came
out in three pieces.

No obvious overwear on any parts however. Inside of heads were clean as a
whistle, but had a really wierd smell in there But, I've been told that's
normal.

Two things to note:

1. ALL the pistons were literally wet with oil. The plugs looked like
crap. Oily and carboned up. Plug # 7 looked like it was lacquered. Very
shinny and hard coating on it.  Almost had a red/orange hue to it. This
one was dry too (no oil). Now, keep in mind, these plugs only have 5-8 K
miles on them. They were new 2 years ago.

1. So I decide to take two valve springs out. I started at #7. I whip out
my new handy dandy cylinder compression fitting, fire up the air
compressor and let it eat (regulator set at 85 lbs and 125 in the tank). I
can't keep the cylinder under compression at all!!  The air is rushing out
the push rod holes (both sides) faster than the compressor can make air. I
KNOW I will drop a valve if I take out the springs. Meanwhile, the
pressure at the regulator shows only 25 lbs and can't catch up any faster
than that.

What's up with that? Sounds like the valves are stuck open! So, I take a
long steel straight-edge and line it up on the tops of all the valve
stems. Low and behold, valves for #7 were the only two low ones on that
bank. I'd say the thickness of a match book cover.

I did a number of other cylinders and they all held air much better. At
least enough that the compressor could catch up and turn off and rest
occasionally. The #4 cylinder (the one that checked at 190 lbs and had the
broken stand), didn't leak a drop!

So, what am I in for here now, a valve job? Is there a way I can free up
those sticky valves enough to keep compression and put the new springs on?
Ever better, should I even go that route?

I tapped on the valve stems with a brass drift/hammer and pushed the
springs down with my palm a hundred times trying to get the crud off them
stem to no avail. For some reason, they just won't seat evidently! Perhaps
the valve seats are cruddy?!?!?

I already ordred EVERYthing to do the spring job, replete with rockers,
stands, and push rods...blah blah blah... But, if I can't pressurize the
#7 cylinder, I'm dead in the water.

As usual, I appreciate everyones help and feedback. Previous feedback was
very helpful as I recieved LOTS of support, info, and well wishes from the
Olds and Toro Lists. For you Olds Listers, please remember to answer to me
privately, as I am not currently on the that list.

More info coming in.....I will forward to the List's as they come in.....

What should I do next?

Hey! I managed not to use the word Hel@ this time and do the e-mail
superball! (;

Sparky

- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                          See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:19:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Engine 101

You know the drill... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Engine 101

Engine God's,

As I sit here, in the shadow of Boss Kettering, trying to figure out my
dilema, I cannot help but ask this question.

What would cause ALL cylinders to be oil infused? Like I described, the
spark plugs looked like they came out a of a 40 year old Briggs and
Stratton Lawnmower.

What, on the top end, would be common to all eight that, if failed, would
excessively oil all the cylinders at one time?

I can't see a bottom failure THAT disasterous to effect all buckets at
once. 8 rings failing at once? Sounds preposterous, doesn't it????
Besides, the compression test bears that out.

Up until this debacle, the car used "ZERO" oil every 1500-2000 miles
between changes!!!

I know now, it needs a valve job, but that, in and of istelf, does not
necissarily explain my oil consumption and fouled plugs in 7 out of 8
cylinders in a mere 30 mile drive. The one plug that was clean, yet shiney
and orange, was probably due to exhaust gases relative to the bad exhaust
valve on that individual can.

Am I thinking too much or what? (perhaps NOT thinking correctly may be a
better phrase).  ):

Head Scratching to the Max!
- --
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff                               See the Sparkmobile
Toronado Chapter Webmaster                     
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:23:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: EPA: Response to the 1965 dual cats (getting longer!)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: EPA: Response to the 1965 dual cats (getting longer!)

What I would like to see is the laws written better.

"On the other hand, back pressure can affect emissions, and a decrease in
back pressure would normally be expected to increase tail-pipe emissions,
particularly oxides of nitrogen"

(READ HIGH CYL PRESSURE!! EGR NEEDS TO WORK AT THE PROPER TIME!!!)
" and hydrocarbons "
(LEAN MIXTURE!!!! RICHEN IT!!)

..."  The addition of a second catalytic converter as part of a dual
exhaust system would not necessarily reduce the exhaust emissions output
of a vehicle which originally came with one.  In fact, reducing the flow
to each converter of a dual system could actually extend the time
necessary for the converter to light-off (warm up and start operating)
thereby causing much higher cold start emissions.  Cold start operation is
the period during operation when the highest emissions normally occur. "

Okay, you got me, run dual cats and keep EFE in place, don't run it too
rich, get off Choke within 3 minutes Max, run the cats as close to the
manifolds as possible, this is one reason headers have a hard time, they
place the cat so far away it does not get up to 600+ degrees fast enough
to start functioning during warmup.


"CAN AFFECT EMISSIONS"  NOT  "WILL AFFECT EMISSIONS".  If the car can be
tested and proven to pass with the mods that the owner has done, then I
think it should be allowed.  Heck, removing the Thermac Air Cleaner
(TAC) will increase the cold start up emissions, so adding dual cat is
probably just as bad.

REASON:  When you open up the exhaust, you change the metering signal
seen at the carb, it tends to run leaner, so you must richen it up to
maintain proper mixture.  (Jet/Rods)  A competent tuner can open up the
exhaust and then retune and then make the car potentially have better
emissions than when the car was certified by the EPA.  And you may need
to monitor how the EGR is, if it is a Neg or Pos backpressure type, you
may need to go to a Port type.  Or tweak WHEN the EGR applies.

I would like to see what emissions certifications the Feds make the auto
manufacturers go through, and possibly have a program that one would be
able to make mods and when he feels up to it, take the emissions cert
and see if his/her car passes and if so, then be allowed to stay that
way, legally.  Probably have to be state run.

My 80 Turbo T/A had the cat removed years ago and I passed emissions
with flying colors.  Turbocharged V8 301.  EGR still connected (good for
helping fight detonation under moderate load with boost but that is not
tested during an emissions test unless it is IM 240), AIR connected,
(later disconnected when pump froze) and timing increased via base
timing and recurve kit.  I have not emissions tested my 85 Cutlass with
the 77 350 and CCC with no cat and 2.5in duals after where the cat had
been, but I think I might just to see, I live in an area with no
emissions testing.  I have the AIR removed and the Cat removed.  They
will find their way back on, but I need some 5A heads (anyone got a pair
to donate??) with AIR provisions.  Some devices are installed, but not
listed on the required emissions code on the emissions label.  My 301
needed EGR and Cat, but not AIR, even though it was installed.  No CA
emissions were ever designed for the 301 Turbo.  The SloBloc 305 was
installed in CA for 80-81.  Bummer...Slowest Trans AM ever made!

I don't have a problem with meeting emissions, but I do when they say it
has to be their way or nothing.  A guy who is/was a senior emissions
inspector in CA had a 1968 Pontiac Firebird, 455, with dual cats, LONG
duration cam, check valves in the exhaust to allow air in to the
collector, and ran a low 11 1/4mi passed emissions requirements for 1986
or better.  But, in CA it was classed a fail because Cats did not come
on the car originally, PCV was the only device he could have.  CA law is
really bizarre on that sort of thing.  Heck, in CA if you have a 85
Cutlass with a 307, you cannot swap in a 98 LS1 with all the emissions
working perfect, but you CAN swap in a 403 as long as all the 307
emissions hardware are on it working properly.  Go figure!  (Then again,
I would RATHER have a 403 than an LS1 in a 85 Cutlass!!!)  You can only
swap from the same engine family.  Hmmm, 455 is too......  Cam profiles
need to limit overlap for good emissions too, if too much overlap, too
much raw fuel gets out into the exhaust before the exhaust valve
closes.  But...A.I.R. helps that!  But too much is still too much, and
CO gets too high.  Need something like an O2 Sensor in the exhaust like
from Edelbrock or Mallory that tells you what your A/F is while you are
driving.  The Buick GN site has a schematic on how to make one if you
are ambitious.

Most people hose up emissions when they make changes, not compensating
for it, it can be tedious, but you can get you emissions in line and not
lose power.  You need to tune idle, under load, cruise, (WOT is not
tested!!) and get the choke off ASAP when in cold start mode.  Remember,
it is FAR easier to meet emissions then make good mileage.  The factory
has a hard job to do making CAFE (Corp Average Fuel Economy) and
emissions.  They conflict with each other.  Emissions needs 14.7:1 A/F
mix, and best economy needs 15.5:1 or so, which makes NOx and HC too
high.  Most people would sacrifice mileage for more power, but emissions
can be met far easier.  With the CCC cars, The computer can compensate
for any metering change requirements.  Eventually I will drop a 455 in
my Cutlass, and keep the CCC carb on it, and full computer
functionality.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac


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exhaust emissions output of a vehicle which originally came with 
<BR>one.&nbsp;
In fact, reducing the flow to each converter of a dual system could 
<BR>actually
extend the time necessary for the converter to light-off (warm up and <BR>start
operating) thereby causing much higher cold start emissions.&nbsp; Cold start
<BR>operation is the period during operation when the highest emissions 
normally
<BR>occur. " <P>Okay, you got me, run dual cats and keep EFE in place, don't 
run
it too rich, get off Choke within 3 minutes Max, run the cats as close to the
manifolds as possible, this is one reason headers have a hard time, they place
the cat so far away it does not get up to 600+ degrees fast enough to start
functioning during warmup. <BR>&nbsp; <P>"CAN AFFECT EMISSIONS"&nbsp; NOT&nbsp;
"WILL AFFECT EMISSIONS".&nbsp; If the car can be tested and proven to pass with
the mods that the owner has done, then I think it should be allowed.&nbsp; 
Heck,
removing the Thermac Air Cleaner (TAC) will increase the cold start up
emissions, so adding dual cat is probably just as bad. <P>REASON:&nbsp; When 
you
open up the exhaust, you change the metering signal seen at the carb, it tends
to run leaner, so you must richen it up to maintain proper mixture.&nbsp;
(Jet/Rods)&nbsp; A competent tuner can open up the exhaust and then retune and
then make the car potentially have better emissions than when the car was
certified by the EPA.&nbsp; And you may need to monitor how the EGR is, if it 
is
a Neg or Pos backpressure type, you may need to go to a Port type.&nbsp; Or
tweak WHEN the EGR applies. <P>I would like to see what emissions 
certifications
the Feds make the auto manufacturers go through, and possibly have a program
that one would be able to make mods and when he feels up to it, take the
emissions cert and see if his/her car passes and if so, then be allowed to stay
that way, legally.&nbsp; Probably have to be state run. <P>My 80 Turbo T/A had
the cat removed years ago and I passed emissions with flying colors.&nbsp;
Turbocharged V8 301.&nbsp; EGR still connected (good for helping fight
detonation under moderate load with boost but that is not tested during an
emissions test unless it is IM 240), AIR connected, (later disconnected when
pump froze) and timing increased via base timing and recurve kit.&nbsp; I have
not emissions tested my 85 Cutlass with the 77 350 and CCC with no cat and 
2.5in
duals after where the cat had been, but I think I might just to see, I live in
an area with no emissions testing.&nbsp; I have the AIR removed and the Cat
removed.&nbsp; They will find their way back on, but I need some 5A heads
(anyone got a pair to donate??) with AIR provisions.&nbsp; Some devices are
installed, but not listed on the required emissions code on the emissions
label.&nbsp; My 301 needed EGR and Cat, but not AIR, even though it was
installed.&nbsp; No CA emissions were ever designed for the 301 Turbo.&nbsp; 
The
SloBloc 305 was installed in CA for 80-81.&nbsp; Bummer...Slowest Trans AM ever
made! <P>I don't have a problem with meeting emissions, but I do when they say
it has to be their way or nothing.&nbsp; A guy who is/was a senior emissions
inspector in CA had a 1968 Pontiac Firebird, 455, with dual cats, LONG 
duration
cam, check valves in the exhaust to allow air in to the collector, and ran a 
low
11 1/4mi passed emissions requirements for 1986 or better.&nbsp; But, in CA it
was classed a fail because Cats did not come on the car originally, PCV was the
only device he could have.&nbsp; CA law is really bizarre on that sort of
thing.&nbsp; Heck, in CA if you have a 85 Cutlass with a 307, you cannot swap 
in
a 98 LS1 with all the emissions working perfect, but you CAN swap in a 403 as
long as all the 307 emissions hardware are on it working properly.&nbsp; Go
figure!&nbsp; (Then again, I would RATHER have a 403 than an LS1 in a 85
Cutlass!!!)&nbsp; You can only swap from the same engine family.&nbsp; Hmmm, 
455
is too......&nbsp; Cam profiles need to limit overlap for good emissions too, 
if
too much overlap, too much raw fuel gets out into the exhaust before the 
exhaust
valve closes.&nbsp; But...A.I.R. helps that!&nbsp; But too much is still too
much, and CO gets too high.&nbsp; Need something like an O2 Sensor in the
exhaust like from Edelbrock or Mallory that tells you what your A/F is while 
you
are driving.&nbsp; The Buick GN site has a schematic on how to make one if you
are ambitious. <P>Most people hose up emissions when they make changes, not
compensating for it, it can be tedious, but you can get you emissions in line
and not lose power.&nbsp; You need to tune idle, under load, cruise, (WOT is 
not
tested!!) and get the choke off ASAP when in cold start mode.&nbsp; Remember, 
it
is FAR easier to meet emissions then make good mileage.&nbsp; The factory has a
hard job to do making CAFE (Corp Average Fuel Economy) and emissions.&nbsp; 
They
conflict with each other.&nbsp; Emissions needs 14.7:1 A/F mix, and best 
economy
needs 15.5:1 or so, which makes NOx and HC too high.&nbsp; Most people would
sacrifice mileage for more power, but emissions can be met far easier.&nbsp;
With the CCC cars, The computer can compensate for any metering change
requirements.&nbsp; Eventually I will drop a 455 in my Cutlass, and keep the 
CCC
carb on it, and full computer functionality. <P>Thomas Martin <BR>85 Cutlass
Supreme Rocket 350 CCC <BR>91 Bonneville LE 3800 <BR>80 Turbo Trans AM 400
Pontiac <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:23:18 EDT
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Is Speedvision a program on a channel  like ESPN2?
I have never happened to hear for it.
Thanks ,
Roger

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:57:22 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: 76 Delta 88 4 door

I just found a 1976 Olds Delta 88 4-door for $225.00 in the Ventura California.
The guy said it is a 455ci running, with a straight body and decent interior, 
he
did say headliner is shot and the vinyl roof is split. Good front and rear end.
I haven't seen the car yet but I am going to run out there this Saturday to
look, owner says it can be driven home. If anybody is interested you can email
me directly at beastmaster@earthlink.net or at bcam@vel.net or post to the 
group


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:13:08 -0700
From: "D.L.Hedger" <messiah@idirect.com>
Subject: 1932 F-32 Patrician 4dr Sedan

Have some parts for sale from my F-32 Olds as well as 6Cyl block - is
any one needs these and back issues of JWO contact me at
<messiah@idirect.com> Will be going to Hershey & can deliver( not the
Block though!!)
Don Hedger - Toronto

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:10:09 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Racing question

I finally got the motor out of the 67 convertible and into the 78 Cutlass.
Track results were 12.56@106 with alot of 1st gear wheel spin(too much air
in slicks).  I was running 30x9.5x15 slicks with 4.56 rearend gears(5500 1
to 2,5500 2 to 3,5700 thru the traps).  I'm thinking of switching to
26x9.5x15 slicks for next week to get the motor up into the cams 6500 power
range.  Any  thouhts on how this will impact 1/4 mile times.

Thanks,
ken

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:20:31 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Parting out

Matt,
I don't know either. It is a Supreme. Perhaps some out there with some
smarts can advise. Please assist if you can.
Bought a91 GMC Sonoma about a hour ago. 75 going to body shop Monday
morning. If yours will fit we can arrange something. Air freight or
whatever. I can let it now that I have other wheels, won't drive the 67,
and wife frowns when I steal her Gran Prix, (bad word), no accounting for
some peoples taste.


PS Good thing she can't read my e-mail, Good ole passwords.




                                             Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442 "White Ghost"
75 CS " The Deerslayer" name courtesy of "Karl"
- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Parting out
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:42 AM
>
> Lou Biggs wrote:
> >
> > Don't remember who, but a post a couple of days ago someone mentioned
> > "parting out" a 75 Cutlass. Anyone remember who this was or saved the
> > message. Didn't need anything at the time. Mebbe he might have a right
hand
> > grille, Thanks
> > Lou Biggs
> > lbiggs@intertek.net
> > 67 442 all orig.
> > 75 CS same way
>
> I have a 75 Cutlass S that can be parted out. If you have a Supreme
> (correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think the grilles are the same.
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
> 1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
> 1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:28:48 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)

Matt,
I may be wrong also, 10W30 would be the same viscosity as 10 weight oil at
0 degrees C and the same viscosity as 30 weight oil at 100 degrees C. Thats
how I understood it to be. Karl or Joe??
Lou
- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: The W solution!!!! (was Re: Three Simple Questions)
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:38 AM
>
> Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I took and automotive class at college and if memory serves correct "W"
was
> > for Winter.
>
> We were JUST talking about Viscosity in my Oceanography class. My
> instructor informed us that the second number is the cold weight, the
> first number is the warm weight. Viscosity is "the internal resistence
> of a fluid to flow" (friction within a fluid). Of course we were
> relating that to ocean water, but to give us an example he used engine
> oil.
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
> 1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
> 1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:35:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1932 F-32 Patrician 4dr Sedan

Not on the list, respond to messiah@idirect.com if you're interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"D.L.Hedger" <messiah@idirect.com>
Subject: 1932 F-32 Patrician 4dr Sedan

Have some parts for sale from my F-32 Olds as well as 6Cyl block - is
any one needs these and back issues of JWO contact me at
<messiah@idirect.com> Will be going to Hershey & can deliver( not the
Block though!!)
Don Hedger - Toronto

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 98 19:36:38 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Upper and Lower Boxed Arms ??

    My '69 4-4-2 has both upper and lower control arms boxed.  Most I've
seen have just the boxed lowers.  How common, or uncommon for that matter,
is it to have both boxed?

    Glenn
    '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:37:42 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost

Eric,
My Trans Am cycled for two or three minutes every time it was started,
winter or summer. The 67 442 does not cycle unless you turn
the unit on. The 75 only cycles in the defrost mode, winter or summer. It's
supposed to keep the compressor lubed.                         Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442
75 CS




> From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
> To: Olds Mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 2:51 PM
>
> Just finished my Fall ritual of un-plugging the Air-conditioning pump,
> as I see the lines ar all frosted up, due to the air-conditioning pump
> running when the outside air is 12 degrees (54 F).  I've heard GM cycles
> the air-conditioning on defrost to remove the frost on the wind-shield
> when the heater is on deforst?  While this sounds good, I hardly want my
> air-conditioning cycling all winter!!!!
>
> Is this true (It seems to hold true from what I've seen), and if not why
> does my car do this??
>
> Could someone check their car.. (Mine is a 72 98)
>
> BTW, after driving my 75 Cutlass, stock 350, the 72 98 with 455 SURE has
> POWER!
>
> Thanx
>
> Eric Aksomitis
> http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:39:08 EDT
From: TimLeary97@aol.com
Subject: Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass

Is the TH 350 original, or did it replace a Jetaway?



64 F85 Cutlass Convertible in Dallas

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:43:29 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: American Movie  Classics

List,
            QUICK  !!!!!!!  If you have cable turn on American Movie
Classics ...........


The General

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:48:50 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Roger'
Yep!
Lou

- ----------
> From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 4:23 PM
>
> Is Speedvision a program on a channel  like ESPN2?
> I have never happened to hear for it.
> Thanks ,
> Roger

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:09:52 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Parting out

Lou Biggs wrote:
>
> Matt,
> I don't know either. It is a Supreme. Perhaps some out there with some
> smarts can advise. Please assist if you can.
> Bought a91 GMC Sonoma about a hour ago. 75 going to body shop Monday
> morning. If yours will fit we can arrange something. Air freight or
> whatever. I can let it now that I have other wheels, won't drive the 67,
> and wife frowns when I steal her Gran Prix, (bad word), no accounting for
> some peoples taste.
>
> PS Good thing she can't read my e-mail, Good ole passwords.

They will fit, but I don't think the S grilles look the same as the
Supreme grilles. They didn't in 73, so I doubt they do in 75. But if you
want my grilles just to have a decent, intact set of grilles in your
car, I'll sell them.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:01:45 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: American Movie  Classics

General,
"General, the men never know when your serious", "It's NOT important if
they know, It's only important that I KNOW !!!
My favorite general, other than you of course.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: American Movie  Classics
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 6:43 PM
>
>
> List,
>             QUICK  !!!!!!!  If you have cable turn on American Movie
> Classics ...........
>
>
> The General

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:19:18 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Parting out

Thanks  Matt,
So far it's all original, lets check further as see what the brains have to
say. I can leave it for a couple of weeks now that I have another driver.
I'll check at work where we have some old service manuals left by who knows
who, We don't use them except for stuff like this, I think their Chiltons.
Got you on file, I'll let you know. Really appreciate your assistance,
Lou
- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Parting out
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 2:09 PM
>
> Lou Biggs wrote:
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know either. It is a Supreme. Perhaps some out there with some
> > smarts can advise. Please assist if you can.
> > Bought a91 GMC Sonoma about a hour ago. 75 going to body shop Monday
> > morning. If yours will fit we can arrange something. Air freight or
> > whatever. I can let it now that I have other wheels, won't drive the
67,
> > and wife frowns when I steal her Gran Prix, (bad word), no accounting
for
> > some peoples taste.
> >
> > PS Good thing she can't read my e-mail, Good ole passwords.
>
> They will fit, but I don't think the S grilles look the same as the
> Supreme grilles. They didn't in 73, so I doubt they do in 75. But if you
> want my grilles just to have a decent, intact set of grilles in your
> car, I'll sell them.
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
> 1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
> 1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************

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