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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 23 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1501



Re: My Carb overfloweth!
Re: White smoke
Olds Prod. Info
Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)
Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
Steering Gear Interchangeability
Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)
Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
Strange thing happened
patch panels
Inaccurate Fuel Guage
Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage
Re: Web VIN Decoder
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: Dual exhaust
Re: Strange thing happened
RE: Web VIN Decoder
Olds List Centennial Video
Re: patch panels
Factory Clock(non rally-pac)
RE: Web VIN Decoder
Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
Re: patch panels
Re: Ignition Problem - Need Advice
86 Toronado / Info / Price /etc
Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
Re:  Strange thing happened
Re: My Carb overfloweth!
Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
Re: Olds List Centennial Video
Re: License plate choice
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: My Carb overfloweth!
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
New Product To Check Out!
Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning
Re: Olds List Centennial Video
Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage
Re: Re-Post:  Camshaft I.D.
Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
coil failure solved (probably)
Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage
Re: Question re '66-7 400 and 425 engines
Re: 67 Wiring Question/Heater Fan
Re: License plate choice
Re: Strange thing happened
Re: New Product To Check Out!
Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning
Re: G-body questions

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:32:50 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Carb overfloweth!

AMEN!

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:33:23 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: White smoke

> Trany fluid burns white .
>  Before i got my TH350, my jetaway was leaking so bad through the
>  case near the front pump that it would spray fluid on the hot exhaust
>  when i really stood on the gas. Since i had short exhaust pipes ,exiting
>  before the rear wheels it look like engine smoke.

Ok, now this is confusing me.  I have the symptoms of both a blown head gasket
and a bad tranny.  I ~think~ it's the tranny because it makes a wicked
clicking noise in reverse and shakes violently in reverse.

Joe

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:33:53 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Olds Prod. Info

Anyone needing production figures on any model Olds
and base price, just ask, have the Olds Bible on that info
from 1897 to 1996. rghaun@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:35:46 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)

My guess would be a cracked block(worst case)...or a blown (sucked) intake
gasket. I would definitely say that water is getting into the combustion
chamber, or exhaust port runner somehow.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:42:29 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM

I'm launching at 3800-4000. Shifting at 5700,5700 and thru the traps at
6000.  60ft. 1.71.  I'm just getting this car together.  Going to mess with
tire diameter tomorrow night.  Thinking of going from a 26inch tall tire to
a 30inch tall tire and lowering shift points abit.


>
>Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
>are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:46:29 -0600
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Steering Gear Interchangeability

The steering gear in my 69 Delta needs replacing or rebuilding.  Could
someone refresh my memory about which gear boxes are a straight bolt-on
interchange?

Also, as a practical matter, the rebuild kit runs under $50.  Not bad, if
its not too difficult a task once the box is pulled from the vehicle.  Is it
worth messing with in terms of time, effort or special tools??

Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:49:34 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)

> My guess would be a cracked block(worst case)...or a blown (sucked) intake
>  gasket.

Is there any good way to find out which one?

Joe

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:53:30 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM

I launch off idle 650 rpm 60 ft 1.66  to1.70 shift at 5500 also as Rob
said, to many different factors to take in.  I have 3500 stall 4.11 and 26
tall tires M T  et streets
  Butch 68  442  post
The Viking wrote:

> Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
> are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>   Gem City Rockets

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:56:03 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Strange thing happened

Car....1986 442 307HO All factory
Problem.....won't run..!!

Scenario..............I put my 442 in the upholstery shop to have new carpet
installed. I got a call that the car was ready but the guy at the shop couldn't
get the car started..!! It's been running just fine and dandy with no problems
whatsoever until now. He stated it started just fine when he pulled it into the
shop and it started just fine when he went to move it out after the carpet
installation, but it died abruptly. I took off to take a look at the car right
then and there. That was Saturday. The car hasn't hit a lick since then. It's
getting gas and when I hook a timing light to the #1 plug wire and crank it, it
seems to be getting spark. Cranks over just fine, it just won't hit..!! I'm
starting to get baffled. Anyone else had this problem????????

All suggestions will be welcomed..!!  PRIVATELY PLEASE..!! I don't need to
clutter the list with my 442 problems..!!

Thanks ahead of time folks.!!

Mike.....
Ironto VA

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:10:43 EDT
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: patch panels

Does anyone on this list know if Sherman & Associates has a web site.
Thanks,
Roger Utter

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:10:20 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Inaccurate Fuel Guage

The fuel guage in my 72 cutlass s has started pointing past full at around
what would by 3:00 on a clock.  I am wondering what caused this and if anybody
knows how to fix it.  I have seen this on a few other 442s and cutlass's so
somebody else must know whats going on.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:24:24 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
>
> The fuel guage in my 72 cutlass s has started pointing past full at around
> what would by 3:00 on a clock.  I am wondering what caused this and if 
anybody
> knows how to fix it.  I have seen this on a few other 442s and cutlass's so
> somebody else must know whats going on.

Well, on the Crapiece, this meant that the ground wire for the fuel
gauge had come detached. Check that.

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Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:21:05 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Web VIN Decoder

Hey!  What about my 87?!   The decoder gets confused by "euro" front
ends? hmmmm?


Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:58 -0400 Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu> writes:
>List, if you would, please goto
>http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/cutlass/vin.html and see if this
>decoder works for your Olds.  Only VIN's from 1981 to 1986 please.
>
>If there are any errors, please e-mail me privately.  Thanks.
>
>Jason Adcock
>Blacksburg, VA
>E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
>Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock
>
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:16:49 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

I have exempt stickers on my 87 because I drive fewer than 5000 miles a
year, kinda.  It's a good loophole.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:09:08 EDT RGHaun@aol.com writes:
>If your car is 25yrs old in New York and you have a "HISTORICAL PLATE"
>you are
>exempt from emissions test.
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:15:16 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Dual exhaust

Well,  have you ever noticed how 80's Regal's and Cutli have side exiting
exhaust and Monte Carlos and Grand Prix's have rear exiting exhaust.
Well I've decided that the reason for this is that there are station
wagons on this g-body frame from Olds and Buick, but not Chevy and
Pontiac.  Station wagons may not have rear exiting exhaust, so the same
exhaust system fits coupes and wagons.  Perhaps you can apply this to
68-72 cars.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT) j a <vistaboy71@yahoo.com>
writes:
>
>
>
>Does anybody know if dual exhaust tailpipes
>
>for a cutlass (68-72) will fit a Vista Cruiser
>
>from the same year???
>
>
>
>Jamie
>
>'71 Vista
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:35:28 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: Strange thing happened

Sounds like a timing chain, perhaps?

At 07:56 PM 9/22/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Car....1986 442 307HO All factory
>Problem.....won't run..!!
>
>Scenario..............I put my 442 in the upholstery shop to have new carpet
>installed. I got a call that the car was ready but the guy at the shop
couldn't get
>the car started..!! It's been running just fine and dandy with no problems
>whatsoever until now. He stated it started just fine when he pulled it
into the shop
>and it started just fine when he went to move it out after the carpet
installation,
>but it died abruptly. I took off to take a look at the car right then and
there.
>That was Saturday. The car hasn't hit a lick since then. It's getting gas
and when I
>hook a timing light to the #1 plug wire and crank it, it seems to be
getting spark.
>Cranks over just fine, it just won't hit..!! I'm starting to get baffled.
Anyone
>else had this problem????????
>
>All suggestions will be welcomed..!!  PRIVATELY PLEASE..!! I don't need to
clutter
>the list with my 442 problems..!!
>
>Thanks ahead of time folks.!!
>
>Mike.....
>Ironto VA
>
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:41:27 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Web VIN Decoder

On Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:21 PM, Ray Costanzo [SMTP:rocket409@juno.com]
wrote: > > Hey!  What about my 87?!   The decoder gets confused by "euro" 
front >
ends? hmmmm? > > >List, if you would, please goto >
>http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/cutlass/vin.html and see if this > >decoder
works for your Olds.  Only VIN's from 1981 to 1986 please.

Your '87?  Hmmmm?  I said up to 1986 only please.  :-)

And what are you talking about with the euro front?  What does the VIN have to
do with that?  Am I missing a code?

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:51:06 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Olds List Centennial Video

Hi folks,
              If you've already ordered, thanks again.  (Shameless plug
follows.)  Still have a few copies remaining, and they would make great
holiday gifts for that Olds fan on your list.    :-)

             I've worked in television for a little over ten years, and
produced my fair share of weddings, fraternity rush videos, and high
school graduation videos.  During the Olds Centennial last August, some
of the list members took their cameras, and shot a load of video of all
the beautiful cars on display.  Since I didn't get to attend, I
volunteered to dub their raw video and edit it together into an Olds
e-mail list video scrapbook.  Tape was mastered on DVC, (Digital Video
Cassette) so you don't experience the video generation loss like you do
when dubbing VHS to VHS.  This is not a tape of corporate self-praise,
and I'm not affiliated with Olds, GM, or any other group that produced
tapes.  This is strictly a car video for car guys and ladies.  There's
no narration:  every shot is edited to music.  It contains 16 songs,
including Kathy Mattea's "455 Rocket" and Jackie Brenston and the Delta
Cats' "Rocket 88".  Total running time is 1:01:55.  You'll see some cars
owned by list members, as well as a few list members themselves.  (Greg
Beaulieu, Bryce Smith, Jim Chermack, plus Helen Earley and James
Walkinshaw, co-authors of "Setting the Pace".  Plus numerous shots of
Linda Vaughn, Miss Hurst Golden Shifter.)  Cost is $20.00 U.S., personal
check or money order.  This includes postage.  If you do decide to
order, please include your e-mail address with your order so I can
contact you when I ship your video.  (All orders go out the day payment
is received, except Saturday.)  Snail-mail address follows, and I look
forward to hearing from anyone interested.  If you have any questions,
please e-mail me privately to keep list traffic down.  Thanks for your
time.

Doug Newman        OCA # 30311
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

1987 442

newmand@wcbi.com

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:43:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: patch panels

- ---GraphixRUs@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone on this list know if Sherman & Associates has a web site.
> Thanks,
> Roger Utter
>
- -----Roger,
           Don't know about this but can you ~please~ contact me
direct.....
             John
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:45:40 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Factory Clock(non rally-pac)

The clock in my 72 cutlass s stopped working many, many moons ago.  I was
wondering how difficult it would be to convert it to quartz and where could I
find the parts that I need.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:53:28 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Web VIN Decoder

On Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:41 PM, Jason Adcock [SMTP:jadcock@vt.edu]
wrote: > > Your '87?  Hmmmm?  I said up to 1986 only please.  :-) > > And what
are you talking about with the euro front?  What does the VIN have to do with
that?  Am I > missing a code?

Alright, alright.  :-)  Doug Newman enlightened me to the fact that I've got my
idiot hat on, again...

When I still had access to my Standard Catalog of Oldsmobiles book, there were 
a
bunch of 1987 codes that conflicted with the pre-'87 codes.  For some reason,
Olds re-did their VIN symbols, so there would have been many extraneous
symbols.  Just something else to work out...

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:00:43 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

Peter,

Just got the latest year one catelogue and the 72 top is $149 w/o glass, $259
with it. E-mail me if you need a part number. Don't remember your color.

Dick Compton
72 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:28:24 EDT
From: JDess@aol.com
Subject: Re: patch panels

  Hi,
  Try
  http://www.shermanparts.com/
  Joe Dessel

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:52:43 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition Problem - Need Advice

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-09-19 17:45:04 EDT, you write:
>
> << I got on the highway, with a rather heavy foot, drove a mile to my exit,
> and as I decelerated for the ramp nopticed that the engine was running a
> little rough.  When I got to the top of the ramp and made a stop, she was
> running really rough.  I tried to keep her running by feathering the gas only
> to succeed in flooding the engine.  >>
>
> This actually sounds similar to my needle/seat contaminant problem, except I
> have yet to flood the motor under those conditions.
>
> I am curious to know why this can happen because of overwarm Holley fuel
> bowls.
>
> In short, I tend to agree that this could well be more carb than ignition
> related.

Like I thought it would be, it turned out to be the coil (heat related
problem).
The old rule still applies: Even when you think it's carb related, it's
normally ignition.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:28 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: 86 Toronado / Info / Price /etc

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136,000 Miles
Paint is good, no rust, engine and tranny worked well
interior : headliner loose, radio does not work ... digital display is =
good
V6 I think 3.0=20

Does anyone have service info on the 86 Toronado.=20
What is usual problem. Is engine reliablke/ strong /
Average cost of repairs.
Thanks for any  help you can offer.=20
Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:17:21 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

I bought the car with the top on it already. How much was charged to put
the top on?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: RGHaun@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:20 PM
>
> The guy that put the top on should have used stainless steel staples
> like I have.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:14:16 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Strange thing happened

Mike,
I got an 87 442 and twice a similar thing happened to me.

1st.. the module went car would start and run for a few minutes then shut down
for no reason. Replacing the module solved that problem.

2nd..Waiting for a light to turn green the car just shut down and would not
start again cranked but no startup. had to tow it home ended up being the
needle and seat in the carb. the needle got stuck on the seat and wouldn't let
any gas down into the carb. I found out later this is attributed to oxegenated
gas used in the north east during winter months. The fuel pumps up to the
filter but wouldn't enter the carb. Sometimes a hard tap on the top of the
carb will free up the sticky needle, but in my case I had to take the carb
apart.
Hope this helps,
John, Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:22:38 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: My Carb overfloweth!

At least the car didn't catch on fire from all that fuel on a hot
motor.....

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: My Carb overfloweth!
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:28 PM
>
> Last Friday afternoon I was driving on a secondary hiway  with the
> traffic at about 50 mph, new stereo cranked up, and noticed some pulsing
> in my speed. Turned the stereo down, and heard and felt the engine
> cutting out when throttle was let up. Coasted/chugged into the nearest
> gas station thinking that fuel was running out (gas guage isnt right)
> and filled it up.Only took $12. Popped the hood.... gasoline all over
> intake manifold. Cleaned up fuel, started car. Would run by feathering
> throttle, until fuel started to pour out of overflow tube, around
> accelerator pump shaft, choke linkage....literally from every orifice!
> Shut down engine, fuel comes out faster... for a while... then stops.
> Phoned my wife to drive an hour to come and get me, and pulled carb off.
> Drove home had dinner, picked up Service Manual and my Rochester book by
> Doug Roe, drove out to the car club, installed carb overhaul kit that I
> bought 2 months ago, cleaned out all gunk, varnish etc and reassembled
> carb. Drove back to where Olds is sitting in the dark and reinstalled
> carb. Started right up.  Elapsed time from car dying to running again -
> 8 hours.
> It now runs flawlessly. But then again, it ran flawlessly before.
>
> The only thing that seemed like it could be a problem was a bit of crud
> in the bottom of the float bowl. Probably caused the float valve to
> stick I guess.
>
> Now if I can only get my dash lights to work......
>
> What fun we have with 30 year old cars!
>
> Brian Kerr
> 69 Cutlass Conv
>

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:26:52 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM

One thing I have noticed on all 455 motors is that they DO NOT like to spin
high. they make more power when you shift them low. Case in point, my
friends 70 Cutlass, which he shifted at 5400. The car ran low 13's. Started
shifting lower and lower. Now he shifts at 4900 and he runs low 12's.

These are torque motors, not Chevy motors, which make there power in the
6000+RPM range. Shift low and you will go faster and also put less wear &
tear on the motor.

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:42 PM
>
> I'm launching at 3800-4000. Shifting at 5700,5700 and thru the traps at
> 6000.  60ft. 1.71.  I'm just getting this car together.  Going to mess
with
> tire diameter tomorrow night.  Thinking of going from a 26inch tall tire
to
> a 30inch tall tire and lowering shift points abit.
>
>
> >
> >Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
> >are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
> >

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:31:35 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

I have the Year One catalog also. I think I will go with Brothers. Anyone
out there have any WAR STORIES about Brothers. What company makes the best
convertible top out there for a 72?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: RAC5419@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:00 PM
>
> Peter,
>
> Just got the latest year one catelogue and the 72 top is $149 w/o glass,
$259
> with it. E-mail me if you need a part number. Don't remember your color.
>
> Dick Compton
> 72 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:53:23 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds List Centennial Video

For any new list members or anyone that doesn't have it...this video is a
MUST!
Great work Doug.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:59:02 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: License plate choice

Ended up going with: 70(space)W(1/2 space)30.  I liked OLDSW30, but could only
get 7 spaces and it looked too busy.  Most of the choices were available so
maybe everyone should move to AZ and we could all get personalized plates and
then have a huge Olds party!
David OCA #30416
70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:14:50 -0500
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

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I was most interested in everyone's comments about emissions/oxygenated
fuel/reduced performance and gas mileage.  Till now I thought I must only be
imagining that my car (1976 Cutlass Salon, 221,000 miles) does not run like it
used to and the days of better gas mileage were only a dream.  I've been
complaining about poor performance and gas mileage to mechanics for the last
couple of years.  Part of the problem results from the carburetor itself (which
is not the original one that came with the car - its a long story), lousy
carburetor overhauls and total incompetence of the mechanics doing the work.
All that aside, just over a year ago I switched from 87 octane unleaded fuel to
92 octane and to that I added an octane booster.  No difference (at least for
now; I'll reserve final judgment until after the right carburetor gets
installed).  This bloody "cleaner" fuel better not be causing the need for
annual carburetor overhauls.

I truly wonder if we, the American people, really know what kind of gas we're
getting.  The pump says its 87 or 89 or 92 octane...but is it?  For all any of
us know, we could actually be getting an octane level that's far less than what
the pump says and that contains a higher amount of additives than what should
be in there.  How many other people like me are spending 20 cents more per
gallon for 92 octane to get some modicom of performance?  I would love to see
some investigative team like Dateline, 20/20 or 60 Minutes obtain random
samples of fuel from gas stations all over the country, have it analyzed and
tested at independent labs for octane levels and determine what true effects
that fuel has on the vehicles and gas mileage.  The results might be quite a
bit different from the propaganda we get from the institutions: the government,
the car manufacturers and the oil companies.

We've had emissions testing in Phoenix for the entire 15 years Ive lived here.
Early 1980s and newer vehicles must pass a more stringent I/M 240 test.
Beginning in 1995, cars of my vintage had to pass a "loaded" (probably what you
refer to as "treadmill") test.  The CO2 treadmill test is the only one that I
can have trouble passing.  Through trial and error and multiple retests, I
figured out what gets me to pass:  I live one mile away from the testing
facility.  I pick a cool, pleasant day (in AZ you can go for your emissions
test up to 90 days before your registration expires), first thing in the a.m.
when the place opens, drive from the garage to the facility and keep the car
off in line so the engine has not warmed up. Mechanics argue with me about how
the car is designed to test better hot; not so unless the carb gets a serious
emissions adjustment beforehand.  In the normal course, I can bet money it'll
pass before it warms up.

Doesn't sound like anyone's had to deal with "Smog Dogs" yet.  We have that in
Phoenix too (along with photo radar, photo nabbers for red light runners).
Alot of people here don't even know what that is: it is a mobile unit, usually
a white van, positioned at the bottom of  either a freeway on or off ramp at a
point where acceleration is required.  Very near the unit you will see a couple
of black boxes and some cable. As you drive by, an infrared sensor measures the
amount of  CO2 and hydrocarbons coming out of your tailpipe and a camera snaps
your license plate number.  This information is kept on file at the local Dept.
of Air Quality.  In the event your vehicle exceeds the standards allowed, you
will receive a notice in the mail.  Within 30 days from the date of the notice,
you will be required to pass another emissions test.  Failure to be tested will
result in suspension of your registration.  Should the vehicle not pass, you
may seek a waiver.  That's not advisable, however, if you intend to keep your
car and it happens to be your primary vehicle.  The vehicle is granted one
waiver during its remaining lifetime.  After that, either sufficient repairs
are made to get it to pass or the registration lapses.  How do I know all
this?  Less than 2 months ago after a very botched carb. overhaul and cat.
converter replacement, I got a Smog Dog citation which resulted in yet another
carb. overhaul, additional emissions testing, etc.  For the record, I had the
carb set for emissions, went to the testing facility on a cooler, overcast day
and all four tests registered "0"; the equipment could not detect any
measurable carbon monoxide or hydrocarbons.  And Big Brother wants to get all
old cars off the road because they pollute?  I don't think so.


Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so what, right?) passed
> some
> interesting info on to me.  He told me someone in the Corvette club he was
> involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info) that new
> federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older from
> emissions
> testing, or at least, compliance.  Can anyone verify or contradict this?
> ____________
>
> This is California SB42, which was passed, what, last year or early this
> year.  The new law exempts _1973_ and older cars from emissions testing
> until the year 2003, at which point a 30 year rolling cutoff is put in
> place (in other words, in 2004, the law would exempt 1974 and older cars,
> etc.)
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 70 W-30



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<HTML>
I was most interested in everyone's comments about emissions/oxygenated
fuel/reduced performance and gas mileage.&nbsp; Till now I thought I must
only be imagining that my car (1976 Cutlass Salon, 221,000 miles) does
not run like it used to and the days of better gas mileage were only a
dream.&nbsp; I've been complaining about poor performance and gas mileage
to mechanics for the last couple of years.&nbsp; Part of the problem results
from the carburetor itself (which is not the original one that came with
the car - its a long story), lousy carburetor overhauls and total incompetence
of the mechanics doing the work.&nbsp; All that aside, just over a year
ago I switched from 87 octane unleaded fuel to 92 octane and to that I
added an octane booster.&nbsp; No difference (at least for now; I'll reserve
final judgment until after the right carburetor gets installed).&nbsp;
This bloody "cleaner" fuel better not be causing the need for annual carburetor
overhauls.

<P>I truly wonder if we, the American people, really know what kind of
gas we're getting.&nbsp; The pump says its 87 or 89 or 92 octane...but
is it?&nbsp; For all any of us know, we could actually be getting an octane
level that's far less than what the pump says and that contains a higher
amount of additives than what should be in there.&nbsp; How many other
people like me are spending 20 cents more per gallon for 92 octane to get
some modicom of performance?&nbsp; I would love to see some investigative
team like Dateline, 20/20 or 60 Minutes obtain random samples of fuel from
gas stations all over the country, have it analyzed and tested at independent
labs for octane levels and determine what true effects that fuel has on
the vehicles and gas mileage.&nbsp; The results might be quite a bit different
from the propaganda we get from the institutions: the government, the car
manufacturers and the oil companies.

<P>We've had emissions testing in Phoenix for the entire 15 years Ive lived
here.&nbsp; Early 1980s and newer vehicles must pass a more stringent I/M
240 test.&nbsp; Beginning in 1995, cars of my vintage had to pass a "loaded"
(probably what you refer to as "treadmill") test.&nbsp; The CO2 treadmill
test is the only one that I can have trouble passing.&nbsp; Through trial
and error and multiple retests, I figured out what gets me to pass:&nbsp;
I live one mile away from the testing facility.&nbsp; I pick a cool, pleasant
day (in AZ you can go for your emissions test up to 90 days before your
registration expires), <U>first</U> thing in the a.m. when the place opens,
drive from the garage to the facility and keep the car off in line so the
engine has not warmed up. Mechanics argue with me about how the car is
designed to test better hot; not so unless the carb gets a serious emissions
adjustment beforehand.&nbsp; In the normal course, I can bet money it'll
pass before it warms up.

<P>Doesn't sound like anyone's had to deal with "Smog Dogs" yet.&nbsp;
We have that in Phoenix too (along with photo radar, photo nabbers for
red light runners).&nbsp; Alot of people here don't even know what that
is: it is a mobile unit, usually a white van, positioned at the bottom
of&nbsp; either a freeway on or off ramp at a point where acceleration
is required.&nbsp; Very near the unit you will see a couple of black boxes
and some cable. As you drive by, an infrared sensor measures the amount
of&nbsp; CO2 and hydrocarbons coming out of your tailpipe and a camera
snaps your license plate number.&nbsp; This information is kept on file
at the local Dept. of Air Quality.&nbsp; In the event your vehicle exceeds
the standards allowed, you will receive a notice in the mail.&nbsp; Within
30 days from the date of the notice, you will be required to pass another
emissions test.&nbsp; Failure to be tested will result in suspension of
your registration.&nbsp; Should the vehicle not pass, you may seek a
waiver.&nbsp; That's not advisable, however, if you intend to keep your car 
and
it happens to be your primary vehicle.&nbsp; The vehicle is granted one waiver
during its remaining lifetime.&nbsp; After that, either sufficient repairs are
made to get it to pass or the registration lapses.&nbsp; How do I know all
this?&nbsp; Less than 2 months ago after a very botched carb. overhaul and cat.
converter replacement, I got a Smog Dog citation which resulted in yet another
carb. overhaul, additional emissions testing, etc.&nbsp; For the record, I had
the carb set for emissions, went to the testing facility on a cooler, overcast
day and all four tests registered "0"; the equipment could not detect any
measurable carbon monoxide or hydrocarbons.&nbsp; And Big Brother wants to get
all old cars off the road because they pollute?&nbsp; I don't think so.
<BR>&nbsp;

<P>Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so
what, right?) passed
<BR>some
<BR>interesting info on to me.&nbsp; He told me someone in the Corvette
club he was
<BR>involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info)
that new
<BR>federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older
from
<BR>emissions
<BR>testing, or at least, compliance.&nbsp; Can anyone verify or contradict
this?
<BR>____________

<P>This is California SB42, which was passed, what, last year or early
this
<BR>year.&nbsp; The new law exempts _1973_ and older cars from emissions
testing
<BR>until the year 2003, at which point a 30 year rolling cutoff is put
in
<BR>place (in other words, in 2004, the law would exempt 1974 and older
cars,
<BR>etc.)

<P>Joe Padavano
<BR>padavano.joe@orbital.com

<P>66 442
<BR>68 W-30
<BR>69 H/O
<BR>70 W-30</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:42:52 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: My Carb overfloweth!

The only thing that seemed like it could be a problem was a bit of crud
in the bottom of the float bowl. Probably caused the float valve to
stick I guess.
____________

Yep, very likely.  This has happened to me several times, as I've posted in
the past.  One emergency tip is to try a sharp rap to the carb body.  Often
this will dislodge the particle which is holding the needle open and will
allow you to get home and rebuild the carb (no guarantees, of course).  A
rubber mallet is best, but I've used an adjustable wrench in a pinch (on a
carb I didn't care too much about, I might add).  If your car has the jack
handle with the rubber sleeve on it, that will work great.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:10:49 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

PS- Before anyone decides that I am, I'm not a hippie. I own several
firearms, eat lots of red meat, think that most emissions laws are crap,
etc. I just am sick of getting behind cars that are blowing smoke and
are still on the road.

Brent Pinkstaff
____________

Brent,

I don't disagree with the gross, smoking cars, but this is pretty easily
picked up in a safety inspection.  I just find it hard to believe that
there are enough 30 year old cars on the road in VA to contribute
measureably to local emissions.  Consider that:

1)  California has a significantly highe_percentage_ of older cars
registered than VA (or probably any other state in the union except
possibly AZ).  (Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the _total number_ of
old cars registered in CA equals the number in the other 49 states
together!)

2)  Of those old cars registered in CA, a much higher percentage  are used
for daily transportation that in any other state (Most old cars in the rust
belt are occasionally-driven collector cars, which, in terms of actual
pounds of pollutants emitted per year, are neglegible.  In CA, because of
the climate, many more of these cars are driven much more frequently).

3)  California unquestionably has the worst smog problem of any state

4)  Despite all this, California has determined that testing of cars more
that 30 years old will not contribute measureably to improving air quality.
Keep in mind that this is the same state that regulates lawnmowers,
charcoal lighter fluid, home fireplaces, and similar apparently miniscule
quantities of emissions.  This tells me that in terms of total statewide
air quality, the effect of all the effluents of all the old cars in the
state of California taken together cannot be measured.  The effect of going
so far as totally removing _all_ older cars from the roads of VA would
likely be an order of magnitude lower still.  I submit that this biannual
testing requirement has less to do with clean air and a lot more to do with
the profits of the auto repair lobby.

Just my opinion.  (And a personal hot button, in case you couldn't tell)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:21:12 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: New Product To Check Out!

Listmembers,

I have been looking over a new product and thought I'd post it here so others
could check it out, too.  It's:
http://www.speedbleeder.com

They're just what they imply -- brake bleeders that speed up the process by
making it a one-man (or woman, gotta be P.C. here) job.  Has anyone used them,
or something similar yet?  I plan on using some on Grace, and refitting my
other vehicles as I rework the brakes on them.

Opinions?

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:30:42 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning

I hear you.  I deal in the T-shirt business.  That is to say I buy T-shirts
and t-shirt transfers from the US and have them shiped to Canada.  When I
bought one of my t-shirt transfer printers ($2000 US) and had it delivered
via fed-ex it arived the next day and everything was fine.  Also, when I
need supplies from this company there is never a problem.  However, when I
have t-shirts or transfers shiped, it is always a hastle.  Just the other
day I contacted this company that sold t-shirts and materials, had them put
the order together and ship it.  5 days later I get a call from US customs
asking about what I am having shiped, why and so on.  Then they tell me
there is a customs charge.  I have not heard that in a while.  What about
NAFTA.  I never have to pay customs for other stuff.  Two hours later,
Canadian customs calls.  They say that there is more money needed for
processing fee or something.  Then, TWO days later, the same Canadian
customs call, then they tell me that they can't allow my t-shirts to cross
the border for some stupid  reason and only other supplies may pass.  What
is this.  Imagine I had cylinder heads shiped from US.  They would come to
my house and strip search me fist.  Should be open border, I tell 'ya.  Igor
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 2:57 PM
Subject: Cross Border Shipping Warning


>
>This is sort of non-Olds, but applies to anyone shipping parts to/from
>Canada. It has always been a hassle whenever you had to do this, but
>lately it seems that things have gotten a little worse when dealing with
>the US and Canadian postal services.
>
>Last year I attempted to buy a set of golf clubs (MacGregor JNPs, a very
>nice set for those of you who know these things) from a private party in
>South Carolina. He received my money order after one month in the mail,
>and I never received the clubs. He was able to provide enough info to
>allow the package to be tracked to the Canadian border, so I know they
>were sent. Unfortunately at that point the trail grew cold and the clubs
>are now probably being used by some insider. Hope he shanks them. :(
>
>Earlier this year I got one of Doug Newman's Centennial tapes. Doug
>shipped it in a heavy envelope. When it arrived 2-3 weeks later the
>envelope was shredded and what was left of it bore a stamp "opened for
>customs inspection". Looking for porn, I suppose. It was a miracle that
>the tape arrived usable and intact since it simply fell out of the
>envelope when I took it out of the mailbox. Disturbing.
>
>Finally this past few weeks Doug offered to pick up some Radio Shack foil
>tape for me. It's the stuff used as sensing tape on 8-tracks and has been
>discontinued by RS, but he found a supply. It arrived fine because it was
>in a box. In turn I sent Doug some cash and a Nova Scotia lapel pin as a
>thank-you. He tells me *that* envelope was torn open and the pin missing
>when it arrived, though the money was still there.
>
>If you're shipping small parts, I'd suggest boxing them up instead of
>using shipping envelopes, and if possible, try FedEx. I cannot recommend
>UPS to Canada because of the exorbitant customs charges they impose, but
>always found the postal service good until the last year.  Unfortunately
>they now seem to be less than trustworthy.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:38:44 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds List Centennial Video

In a message dated 9/22/98
 9:<BR56:<BR03 PM Central Daylight Tim, DKlauber@aol.com writes:

> For any new list members or anyone that doesn't have it...this video is a
>  MUST!

Hello,

I'd like to ask you for a "review" of this video. My interest is much narrower
than the usual Olds lister, I think. I am interested only in the 1946, 47, and
48 2 dr sedanette torpedo body style. Can you tell me if there is coverage of
these cars and how much? I would no doubt enjoy the entire video, but I don't
want to buy it if it doesn't cover those cars in my interest category.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks/Don Carron

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:51:08 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage

Of all the older ('90 and earlier) GM cars I have driven (quite a few) none
had accurate fuel gauges.  In your case it is probable a problem developed
that could be fixed but other then that, when I see a GM fuel gauge that is
accurate, that will be the day.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Cutw29@aol.com <Cutw29@aol.com>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:13 PM
Subject: Inaccurate Fuel Guage


>The fuel guage in my 72 cutlass s has started pointing past full at around
>what would by 3:00 on a clock.  I am wondering what caused this and if
anybody
>knows how to fix it.  I have seen this on a few other 442s and cutlass's so
>somebody else must know whats going on.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:43:22 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Re-Post:  Camshaft I.D.

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

> Fellow Olds fanatics (like me),
>
> I just made a killer deal on a 350 ready to reassemble with a ton of new
> parts.  I plan on keeping everything but the intake (next post).  Right now, 
I
> need to know any information about the new camshaft that others on the list
> might have had experience with.  It's in a Speed-Pro/Sealed Power box, and 
the
> number on the box is CS-176R.  176R is also on the end of the camshaft, so 
I'm
> sure it's in the right box.  I'd be interested to know any lift and duration
> numbers anyone out there might know.
>
> Thanks for the help, and Take Care!
>
> Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas

 Ken,
The Speed Pro catalog lists the following specs for the
#CS176R camshaft:

324 deg. adv. duration, 232 @ .050 duration, .475" lift.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:12:38 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM

I launch just slightly over idle, approx. 1200 rpm
I shift at 5500 - 5800
and my 60 footers are 1.79 - 1.88
This in from my 1970 convertible, 455, 3000 stall, and 3.91 gear.
Best ET 13.59 at 97.22 mph

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)


>
> Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
> are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>   Gem City Rockets
>
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:18:27 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: coil failure solved (probably)

Got the answer back from MSD tech support (Joe Lapille) and as a couple of
you suggested, the switched 12V should NOT be attached directly to the +
coil terminal.   The instructions do explicitly make an exception for "If
using the #8203 Blaster 2 Coil or and aftermarket coil that comes with an
extra ballast resistor, see figure 1C". Where figure 1C has the resistor in
series to the + terminal.   Since my car only has the standard resistor
wire, I did not interpret this as an "extra" ballast resistor but I guess
they meant ANY ballast resistor.

Bottom line is that Olds owners with points ignition should use figure 1C
not Figures 1A/B.

Thanks for the help.  I'll report if the coil fails again.

Hans in El Segundo

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:10:58 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage

the fuel guage or ground wire has been broken become detached or cut......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage


>Of all the older ('90 and earlier) GM cars I have driven (quite a few) none
>had accurate fuel gauges.  In your case it is probable a problem developed
>that could be fixed but other then that, when I see a GM fuel gauge that is
>accurate, that will be the day.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cutw29@aol.com <Cutw29@aol.com>
>To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:13 PM
>Subject: Inaccurate Fuel Guage
>
>
>>The fuel guage in my 72 cutlass s has started pointing past full at around
>>what would by 3:00 on a clock.  I am wondering what caused this and if
>anybody
>>knows how to fix it.  I have seen this on a few other 442s and cutlass's
so
>>somebody else must know whats going on.
>>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:37:22 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Question re '66-7 400 and 425 engines

I have the other '67 400 block (brain fade, know its not a G).  I'd be
willing to swap the bumper for the radiator if the guy who's been talking
to me doesn't make up his mind in 2 days.  If not, I'll give you the $50
for it.

Lisa

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:40:07 EDT
From: JCutlass@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67 Wiring Question/Heater Fan

In a message dated 98-09-21 14:49:49 EDT, you write:

<< > My blower for the heater/ac will not work on high.  It works fine
 > on the two lower setting.  So I decided to poke around under the
 > dash and found a orange wire that was not connected.  I searched
 > and could not find where (if anywhere) it should be.  Could this
 > be my problem >>

Best guess is to replace the relay on the firewall, little silver box located
under the hood roughly inline with the speedometer. Same problem on my  '68
Cutlass. Some question about whether or not the fan should run on low at all
times.
Tim

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:44:00 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: License plate choice

I wouldn't mind moving down to Arizona. It beats this soon to be frozen
wasteland of Chicago. I have a buddy who owns a hotel in Sedona. Where are
you from?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: DKlauber@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: License plate choice
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 9:59 PM
>
> Ended up going with: 70(space)W(1/2 space)30.  I liked OLDSW30, but could
only
> get 7 spaces and it looked too busy.  Most of the choices were available
so
> maybe everyone should move to AZ and we could all get personalized plates
and
> then have a huge Olds party!
> David OCA #30416
> 70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:24:12 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Strange thing happened

gota go with the timing chain if there is spark and fuel there ya go...kk
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From: JJP442@aol.com <JJP442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Strange thing happened


>Mike,
>I got an 87 442 and twice a similar thing happened to me.
>
>1st.. the module went car would start and run for a few minutes then shut
down
>for no reason. Replacing the module solved that problem.
>
>2nd..Waiting for a light to turn green the car just shut down and would not
>start again cranked but no startup. had to tow it home ended up being the
>needle and seat in the carb. the needle got stuck on the seat and wouldn't
let
>any gas down into the carb. I found out later this is attributed to
oxegenated
>gas used in the north east during winter months. The fuel pumps up to the
>filter but wouldn't enter the carb. Sometimes a hard tap on the top of the
>carb will free up the sticky needle, but in my case I had to take the carb
>apart.
>Hope this helps,
>John, Queens N.Y.
>JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:25:55 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: New Product To Check Out!

been doing one man brake bleeding for years using gravity or vacuum never
needed special tools for it maybe a jar and some aquarium tubing but noting
else..kk
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From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:24 PM
Subject: New Product To Check Out!


>Listmembers,
>
>I have been looking over a new product and thought I'd post it here so
others
>could check it out, too.  It's:
>http://www.speedbleeder.com
>
>They're just what they imply -- brake bleeders that speed up the process by
>making it a one-man (or woman, gotta be P.C. here) job.  Has anyone used
them,
>or something similar yet?  I plan on using some on Grace, and refitting my
>other vehicles as I rework the brakes on them.
>
>Opinions?
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:59:22 EDT
From: JCutlass@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

In a message dated 98-09-22 22:51:13 EDT, you write:

<< I have the Year One catalog also. I think I will go with Brothers. Anyone
 out there have any WAR STORIES about Brothers. What company makes the best
 convertible top out there for a 72? >>
There have been many war stories about Brothers, esp on their customer
service, and I don't want to start that up again. I brought the 40 oz top from
Brothers and seems of very good quality. Happy camper here. Got a local
company to put in on for $300. Cheap compared to others, up to $550. Should
ever get a wild hair to put it on yourself, let me know and I'll talk some
sense into you!
Tim

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:37:17 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning

In high school, my mom worked (still does...) at the local John Deere dealer
(Olds content?  Well, the Rockit had it's first shocks changed in the shop 
there
;)  Being 11 miles from the Canadian border, they did a lot of international
business.  For a highschool job, I was a courier to and from Coronach Sask.
where the store had a PO box.  I'd go up once week with a package or two, and
get their mail up there, and bring 'em back.  Spent about half hour minimum at
the border, but from a business standpoint, well worth the effort/time/$$$.
Sad, though.  With NAFTA, you'd think they'd ease up on that stuff.  But if it
helps prevent large orders of crack, etc. from enterring kids' communities, I
guess I'd not be too upset for the inspections/lack of privacy.  But the least
they could do is repack it to a reasonably safe status...  Oh well, thanks for
the warning.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:51:51 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G-body questions

> 1.  what is involved in putting an A-body rear exle into a g-body car?

Snipping of all the "recommended" methods... :)  The older A-body axles are
about 1" wider.  The springs are offset a bit, too (they sit about 1/2 inch
foreward... on ...  umm... one.. of the styles...)   The G-body factory control
arms ~will~ flex enough to connect to the A-body axle...  Mine's been that way
for a few years now...  :)  The shock mounts are different, too (actually just 
a
different angle there...)  I've got the SSM bars sitting in the closet, still,
along with the PST bushing set...  Unopenned for about two years...

> 2.  Who makes 83/84 H/O spoiler tips?

TIPS???  I'll give you a tip:  Nobody makes 'em!  :(

~BUT~ Lauren engineering makes repro 1 piece spoilers, for ~much~ less than
you'll find a NOS part.  They're boasting an ~exact~ match, too.
http://www.laureneng.com/

> 3.  I'm uncomputerizing a daily driver (87 Salon with 307).
> On the current distributor, there is a 4-wire lead from the
> distibutor to the mail wiring harness in the engine compartment.
> Which wire is the TACH lead? I need to retain it so it will still
> lockup the convertor and make the tach work.

W/O the computer, the lockup probably won't work.  ~Period~  The tach is run 
off
a completely different circuit, though, and will not be affected by swithing
distributors.  On the dist. cap's harness, there's a one piece/three slot plug
(closest to cap) for the pickup coil.  Outside of that, there's a single plug
supplying power, red with (usually) a white, broken plug.  Next to that, there
should be another single plug (white wire, I think)  That's the tach lead.  The
four wire ECM harness off the ignition module ~does~ include a tach signal, but
I'm not sure which one it is, and I don't think there'll be any way to simply
integrate it.  I kept my computer for years, and dumped it during my third
engine.  Didn't seem to miss the lockup, once I got some power...  Mileage???
What's that?

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