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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, October 29 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1578



Lightning Rod Update
Differential vent question
Does anyone know the GM max bore and out of round measurements?
Wtd: 350 Info and Parts
Stroked 307
Re: Lightning Rod Update
A quick question.
Re: HEY!  Need a g-body s*bsciber!
TH200-4R for 455
Re: Stroked 307
442?
1999 SOUTHEAST REGIONAL CAR SHOW UPDATE
RE: Stroked 307
Re: Olds Survey
Re:WTB 70 442
lovin' my olds
Re: Radiator Replacement
Need help with hood stripes
Rocket Talk
Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
The Auto Web poll
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
Re: The Auto Web poll
RE: Karl Aune... third person...
Re: The Auto Web poll
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
RE: 442?
Re: Rice Wheels (was Karl Aune - third person dialogue?)
RE: 442?
Re: Aluminized Exhuast System
Re: Aluminized Exhuast System
Re: Aluminized Exhuast System
RE: 442?
olds on autoweb up to 24%!!!
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
RE: 442?
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
Re: Aluminized Exhuast System
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
Re: Radiator Replacement (Only $80!)
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
Re: What do you think of the Alero?
OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch
Re: Wtd: 350 Info and Parts
Re: OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch
Re: Stroked 307
OOPS!
RE: 442?
Re: Radiator Replacement (Only $80!)
Re: Grille restoration
Aleros and surveys
Re: 442?
Re: Olds Survey
Re: Aleros and surveys
Re: A Picture Perfect Launch
SV: OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch
Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?
Re: 442?
Re: 442 to buy

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:42:57 -0600
From: "Austin Schroeger" <austin@lsol.net>
Subject: Lightning Rod Update

Well, I spent the whole night trying to install the L/Rods.  The shifter
worked great going from Park to L1.  However going from L1 back to P didn't
work.  the shifter wouldn't move the cable right.  Turns out they are a bit
worn out.  The cylinder the rods ride on has three holes.  The last two
holes are not as deep as the PRND lever and they have worn out causing some
play in the shifting.  We figure if we drill the holes deeper, that will
cause the pins to hold the cylinder tighter.  Anyways..  the holes weren't
drillable.  The metal they used must be treated some way.  I'm having my
repair guy take it to the County Highway department where they have Titanium
drill bits.  Hopfully we can get these holes deeper, causing the shifter to
shift more accuratly.

Anyways..  I left the car there overnight, and I'm pretty sure they will be
ready tomorrow.  Now all I have to worry about is a Console cover :)

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
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1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:47:47 -0600
From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
Subject: Differential vent question

My 68 442, had a plug in the rear axle.  I assume that this is where the
vent plug for the rear differential is supposed to be.  Also, doesn't a
rubber line run from this vent up to the frame?


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Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:56:55 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Does anyone know the GM max bore and out of round measurements?

Hi,
	I need to know what the maximum bore size and out of round measurements
that GM recommended before boring a engine.  I am planning on taking my
455 block to the machine shop tomorrow to get it measured.  This is
never bored 68-72 block that I have the stock high compression pistons
for and it would be _really_ great if it did not need to be bored.  I
priced pistons today at $368 for cast and $400 for forged (that's
Canadian dollars not real money).  If I need pistons I'll get the
forged.

	I know it should be in the service manual but I can't seem to find it
since our last move.

TIA
- --

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.23 (Kermit)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:15:31 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Wtd: 350 Info and Parts

Does anyone in the SW VA area have some *cheap* small block Olds heads (they'll
go on a 350 block--maybe) for sale?

Also, does anyone know what a short-block 350 weighs?  I was talking to John M.
this evening and he thinks that 560# weight in the FAQ is the long block.

Thanks!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:18:49 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Stroked 307

Can you stroke-out the 307 using .030 over pistons and maybe a 350 Crank
(and/or 350 rods).  What about a 403 Crank (and/or rods).  I want a cheap
buildup for a '81 307.  I have 5A heads, but will try and locate #5 350
heads or so.  A decent used 350 or a 403 crank is possible to find at the
junk yards around here, so if possible I would like to do it.  What kind of
CID am I looking at.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:30:02 EST
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning Rod Update

Mr Gasket will refurbish the shifter like new, replacing whatever is worn.
They are pretty reasonably priced.
Just my 2cents,
John-Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:54:48 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: A quick question.

I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme.  The previous owner removed the 350 and
replaced it with a 78 403.  The car runs well.  The problem is when I am
under hard acceleration (passing gear and four barrel open.) I here a
clattering noise.  I think is is in the valve train. Does this sound
familur to anyone?

Thanks  Jason Shreve
danzig@midwest.net

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:58:55 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: HEY!  Need a g-body s*bsciber!

> Hey all!  Could someone who's on the g-body list send me the info for
> s*bscribing.  I've switch email accounts and I can't get to my old one
> (since my brother took the lap-top to Texas...)  Thatnks!
> send it to:  costanzo@netcarrier.com

http://www.cyberglyphs.com/gbody/index.htm

Here ya go...  look forward to seeing you there!

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:08:22 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: TH200-4R for 455

I would like to pull the TH200-4R out of my '81 Regency and replace it with
a good TH250 I have or a new TH350.  The 200-4R is in good shape, and I was
wondering if anyone out here has ever heard of a good, CHEAP rebuilt kit to
rebuild this trans and maybe improve it a bit to take a mild 455.  I would
like to try to rebuild it myself and then put it behind my 455 in the '81
Delta.  I don't mind the 3.23s I have now, but OD would improve my MPG and
also I could go with 4.10s in that case and get excellent off-the-line
power.  As long as I don't spend too much money into the 200-4R, then it
lasts 'till it last.  A Hurst shift kit with a 12-inch converter and my big
trans cooler would be great  with the OD.  The TH400 is good, but no OD and
2.48 first.  Again, with OD, 4.10s like the ones in my van could be a
reality.  I love the 4.10s in the van.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200-4R/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10s)

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:13:42 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stroked 307

> Can you stroke-out the 307 using .030 over pistons and maybe a 350 Crank
> (and/or 350 rods).  What about a 403 Crank (and/or rods).

Sure....  except that the 260, 307, 350, and 403 ~all~ have the same stroke...
which would still leave you with a 307, unless you change bores :(  Not sure 
how
much overbore is allowed on those blocks, but I don't think you'll be able to
bore, for instance, a 260 to a 403, even though the only difference is the
bore...

Mondello has a bit of a build up for the small block, I think he uses a Buick
crank...  (not sure offhand) ending up with around 500 cid small block...  Lots
of happy horses there :)


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:00:41 EST
From: mnbassman@juno.com (Pat a Kimber)
Subject: 442?

This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
miles,#matching 350 rocket
perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body has been
painted by a 16 year old
with a bad paintbrush.
What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
How many of you think this is a bad idea.

A friend of mine has his gram ma's 1972 orange 442,  350 2 bbl,  white
interior everything is
original condition. I remember sitting in the back seat smelling burnt
rubber from his gramm's
heavy right foot. I've been hooked ever since.

My 442 project will take lots of $ and time but it's all worth it.Some
day gramm's 442 will be in my garage.

By the way anybody got any 442 grills for a 72?



72  S
76 S
77  S
72 Holiday coupe

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:55:46 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: 1999 SOUTHEAST REGIONAL CAR SHOW UPDATE

From: "Larry Bobik" <TNOLDS@worldnet.att.net>

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:22:43 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Stroked 307

On Wednesday, October 28, 1998 10:19 PM, Igor T. '81 455DRB
[SMTP:igor455@home.com] wrote: > Can you stroke-out the 307 using .030 over
pistons and maybe a 350 Crank > (and/or 350 rods).  What about a 403 Crank
(and/or rods).

No, Igor, all small-blocks use the same stroke--3.385.  The only difference
between the 260, 307, 350 and 403 is the cylinder bore.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:43:31 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Survey

ahead by 10% over the lowly rice burners

MH
D88RC

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:59:17 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re:WTB 70 442

c__b__@yahoo.com (non-ya non-ya), Hey have a 70 442 HC for sale, e-mail me
privately if you are interested. Thanks Chris

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:20:06 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: lovin' my olds

7AM- turn the key -engine jumps to life-(new starter makes the diff)  hear the
duals percolating-cleaning the fallen leaves off the car while she's warming
up. Work is a fifteen minute ride thru country roads-no lights. Kick off the
automatic choke climb the first hill effortlessly. rolling with the winding
road at 40 clicks (monroes are great)  parking lights on. Come to a stretch,
wave to the cop I know who's hiding-waiting for the speeders, soon as I'm out
of his sight, touch the accelerator-am doing 75 in a heartbeat. Wheel around
the corner-at work. This must be Oldsmobile heaven. Ever feel like that?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:23:57 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Radiator Replacement

I upgraded my car from a two row radiator to a three row with great results.
I had added a shroud and flex fan (fixed, no clutch) from a W-30 with air to
my non air car with little improvement.  It would still get hot in traffic in
the summer and just did not like sitting and idling.  Everything else is in
good shape on my car.  In 1997 I had my two row radiator re-cored with a three
row core so I could use the original tanks.  I have a four speed and did not
want a trans cooler in the radiator.  Later that summer and even today I can
sit and idle all day long and the car will not overheat.  The first big test
was on a 100 degree day the summer of '97 in line at the drive up of a fast(?)
food place where I sat for about 15 minutes.  In the past the car would have
gotten hot, but it did not this time and has not since.  It will maintain 180
degrees and might climb to 195 sitting bumper to bumper in line.  The three
row did the trick for me.  Of course the fan and shroud are still in place as
part of the package and I feel the do contribute to the great job the cooling
system does now.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:29:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Need help with hood stripes

  Anyone have any good front end pictures/diagams of a 1970 Cutlass
'S' with hood stripes?  I'm assuming that 71 and 72 would also work.
I want to paint stripes on my Cutlass 'S', and I'd like to see what
they should look like.  I don't have a ram air hood, so pictures with
a regular hood would be better.  Also, If you know where some good
pictures are located, that could help too.       Were the stripes
different between the different W-series(i.e. W-31,W-30 etc.)?  Please
reply direct to sgadecki@yahoo.com . Thanks a lot. Also, I apologize
if I'm not using the proper terminology for these stripes, i.e.
"ralley stripes", or "racing stripes"
I'm not sure what they're actually called. Thanks again.

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:09:28 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rocket Talk

Sorry to interrupt the dialogue on aircleaners and Website-hit-derbies-
disguised-as-car-surveys.

Once again Thursday rolls around.

Time for Rocket Talk!

Or ICQ-ing, depending on who shows.

Y'all remember RT?

That is the forum where it is OK to discuss non-Oldsmobile topics like passing
along information to people you have buisiness dealings with or the
President/Prime Minister, who hit how many home runs.......

Where:
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner

When:
Karl will show at 8:00pm central time (daylight savings in effect), but y'all
can go earlier if needed.

Last week things were picking up just as Karl was leaving for work.

Also...Karl might be a few minutes late as will be trying to contact 1st-shift
friends.

You may now return to your normal Pontoon dialogue.


SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:20:25 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

Sorry for the non-Olds content, but I've been dying to ask this.
Karl Aune, why do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
Or, is this someone who knows Karl and is refering to him? I've always
found it a bit confusing, myself.

Olds content - saw the worst thing yesterday. 71 Cutlass convertible
with those annoying speed-skate rice burner wheels! Must have been 12
inch rims that stuck out of the wells four inches...gold spokes, too.
YIKES!

Just my personal opinion.

Mike Baugher
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:56 -0500
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: The Auto Web poll

WOOO HOOO!!!!!  I just went to autoweb to cast my vote for the Oldsmobile,
and to tout the grace and ellegance and raw brute power of the Toronado, and
when I checked the results!!!

Oldsmobile held 23% of the vote!!!!  the next closest was Toyota at 11% adn
Honda at 10%.

waht worries me is that there are actuallyu people in the world that really
say their Honda or Toy is the greatest car EVER built.  they really eed to
get out more!  so everyone, ifyou havent made it over yet...  go to
www.autoweb.com/company/horn.awi and help keep olds in teh lead, where it
belongs!!!

><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:27:46 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

MB0 wrote:

> Sorry for the non-Olds content, but I've been dying to ask this.
> Karl Aune, why do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
> Or, is this someone who knows Karl and is refering to him? I've always
> found it a bit confusing, myself.

Chris wonders this too. :-) [Frosty is asking this!] :-)

> Olds content

Frosty seems to be running better ever since I turned my aircleaner lid
right side up.  Maybe I was leaning the mixture out a little before.

- --
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68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:30:20 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: The Auto Web poll

Johnny Gage wrote:

> www.autoweb.com/company/horn.awi and help keep olds in teh lead, where it

Go here to see result:
http://www.autoweb.com/company/surveyresult.awi

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68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:34:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: RE: Karl Aune... third person...

> Also...Karl might be a few minutes late as will be trying to contact 
1st-shift
> friends.
>
> SOM
>
> &KA

Well actually... it looks like it might be SOM doing the talking!

Which would explain why Karl is always third person...

Admittedly neither Lucille, nor the '79 has thus far written any messages
to the list (Lucille prefer's snail mail)... I've noticed this e-mail
writing affliction, however, among mid-60's Oldsmobiles... First there
was:

The '66 Toro and Mike (Frederick)

Now there is

SOM

&KA



Anyways... Clayton has got to go now... classes and all...
... The '79, '82, and '84 Cutlasses and Clay...   ?!?


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		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
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	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:34:15 -0800
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The Auto Web poll

Well,
Now my friends and co-workers who have been in my Olds are voting. (Gee, I
wonder if they know that they're doing it, all the votes are coming from my
computer!!!)???

Keep voting!!!!

realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32
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> http://www.autoweb.com/company/surveyresult.awi

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:41:08 -0500
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

- -----Original Message-----
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 11:21 AM
Subject: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?


>Olds content - saw the worst thing yesterday. 71 Cutlass convertible
>with those annoying speed-skate rice burner wheels! Must have been 12
>inch rims that stuck out of the wells four inches...gold spokes, too.
>YIKES!


Find that person, and shot him till hebe dead dead DEAD!

on a more list related note, I have always wondered about people who do this
crap to their cars...  ESPECIALLY a 2+ ton car...

isnt this rather hard on the frame, and car itself???  It seems to me, from
seeing so many of these sad, pathetic disgraces rolling around that they
ahve a rather stiff suspension (more like no suspension at all) and it
occured to me that this couldnt be very good for the car itself...  and
maybe even dangerous as there seems to be no absorbtion whatsoever to
control the car in a tight or high speed turn.

and witht he way these morons drive these vehicles, I would expect to see
them wreck mroe often.  (saw one a few weeks ago...  guy tried to take a 90
degree turn way too fast for his "slammed" car (wasnt doing more than 20-25
when he turned) and ended up spinning out of control across four lanes of
traffic, hopping a curb and finally stopping in a grass field.  He was VERY
luck that none of the other cars on teh rod managed to hit him.

So what are your thoughts on this???  is my logic at least close?

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:52:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

I agree with you totally. Not only do they stiffen up the suspension,
but they also put way wider tires on both the front and the rear. Try
taking your car now and then put 2 times wider tires on the front. the
steering response is cut down a lot! Not to mention the idea of
hydroplaning on wet pavement! Then you have the guys with the
hydralics......I won't even get into that subject!
==
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http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:01:55 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

> SOM
>
> &KA

<< Well actually... it looks like it might be SOM doing the talking! >>

[ C. P. ]

& his MASSIVE footer

<< MB0 wrote:

 > Sorry for the non-Olds content, but I've been dying to ask this.
 > Karl Aune, why do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
 > Or, is this someone who knows Karl and is refering to him? I've always
 > found it a bit confusing, myself.

<< Chris wonders this too. :-) [Frosty is asking this!] :-) >>

Karl prefers working 'neath Soylent "Ocean Mist" to discussing various
pronunciations of 4 4 2, and other air cleaner trivia.

Karl simply has rearranged his heierarchy of what is important, and what is
not.

Besides, why else are you reading this but for the humor value?

OLDSMOBILE CONTENT:
Have been tweaking the 2GC choke settings as it has been a while since "fast
idle" worked properly at startup and then abated. Recent adjustment gave SOM
only fast idle, not good. Dieseling imminent. Working on it after
Oldsmobiling, Karl saw the choke spring relax as it cooled, so coil and
related rods approximately OK.

Got fast idle at start and then slow idle last night but fast idle only this
morning.
last peek showed all functioning OK, mebbe just needs some WD-40 or liquid
wrench (motor oil??) to enable fast idle cam to turn freely.


SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:10:23 -0700
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: 442?

> This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
> miles,#matching 350 rocket
> perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body has been
> painted by a 16 year old
> with a bad paintbrush.
> What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> How many of you think this is a bad idea.

I've got a better idea...  Instead of spending all the money making your
cool cutlass into a faux-faux-too, spend the money on the drive train.  Then
you'll have a go-fast sleeper mobile that will kick the tires off of
gram-ma's 4-4-2.  Seriously.  If you do go through all the trouble to make
it a 4-4-2, it will be a waste of time, and money.  And to do it means that
another REAL 4-4-2 must be parted out.  I have a buddy that did this to his
'68.  Spent THOUSANDS of dollars on this plain-jane cutlass to make it look
like a 4-4-2.  But when the day came when he decided he needed to sell it,
he couldn't get anything out of it, because it was a fake.  If he had
started with a real 4-4-2 and put the same amount of money into it, he could
have sold it for 2 TIMES as much as he did.  I myself would love it if my
'72 Cutlass were a 4-4-2, but there's no way I'm going to spend thousands of
$'s to make it that way, when I could spend less than a thousand on the
drive train and have a car that would kick butt over a stock 4-4-2.  If you
want a 4-4-2, find a REAL one and buy it.  It's a much better investment
(most cases) to buy a real 4-4-2 and fix it up, then to buy a Cutlass and
make it into a 4-4-2.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings... ;)

Blaine

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:18:53 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Rice Wheels (was Karl Aune - third person dialogue?)

I remember back in the late 60's early 70's when everyone was jacking their
cars into the air and running 10 inch wide (or larger) rims.  Whell bearings
seemed to die prematurely due to the stress of too much offset in the wheels.
Jacking them up into the stratosphere was hard on the rest of the car.  I had
the frame give way where the coil springs and shocks mount on a 66 Galaxie
thanks to air shocks.  These kids with the rice grinder cars will soon
experience their own equipment failures and go back to stock ride heights.
Especially when the new wife complaigns about it while she is pregnant.  They
will soon be in mini vans and not nearly as cool as they had imagined.  Time
and age is a great equalizer.

Now if I could find some stiffer springs to get the Olds up in the air a foot
or two, then find some 14 X 10 E.T. slotted mags, and where did I put the
Cal-Custom stick on lace?   And don't forget the prism tape!

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2 (survivor of those fads)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:28:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: 442?

- ---"B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
> > miles,#matching 350 rocket
> > perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body
has been
> > painted by a 16 year old
> > with a bad paintbrush.
> > What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> > How many of you think this is a bad idea.
>
  I have a buddy that did this to his
> '68.  Spent THOUSANDS of dollars on this plain-jane cutlass to make
it look
> like a 4-4-2.  But when the day came when he decided he needed to
sell it,
> he couldn't get anything out of it, because it was a fake.  If he had
> started with a real 4-4-2 and put the same amount of money into it,
he could
> have sold it for 2 TIMES as much as he did.


  If you
> want a 4-4-2, find a REAL one and buy it.  It's a much better
investment
> (most cases) to buy a real 4-4-2 and fix it up, then to buy a
Cutlass and
> make it into a 4-4-2.
>
> Sorry if I hurt your feelings... ;)
>
> Blaine
>
>
I agree with Blaine on this subject. My Cutlass was saved from being
converted into a fake. The guy who owned it before me was going to
make it into a 4-4-2. It would be nice to have it "appear" to be a
4-4-2, I would always know that it is a fake. Stay with the Cutlass.
Show em what the Cutlass's can do also! Everyone out here use to call
my car the "gutless Cutlass" Up until I started eating up modified
5.0's with my stock Cutlass that weighs close to 3 times more then the
5.0's!

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:34:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminized Exhuast System

> ordered for the '71 442.  Can someone tell me how I can confirm that
> what I received is indeed "Aluminized"?  The exhaust pipes and mufflers
> that I received look like they are plain "bare" steel without any
> special finish on them.

From what I've seen, aluminized pipe will initially be shiny and appear
like unfinished steel.  After some time, the outside surface will develop
a flat, whitish cloudy appearance, but never rust colour.  I imagine a
useful test would be to sprinkle some water on the new pipe and look for
signs of corrosion around the perimeter of the droplets.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:49:37 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminized Exhuast System

Kevin Wong wrote:
>
> > ordered for the '71 442.  Can someone tell me how I can confirm that
> > what I received is indeed "Aluminized"?  The exhaust pipes and mufflers
> > that I received look like they are plain "bare" steel without any
> > special finish on them.

If the pipes are supposed to be aluminum I would think testing with a
magnet would be helpful.  If they are steel with an aluminum coating
that wouldn't do much for you.  What's the going rate/availability of
stainless steel exhaust these days (for a 69-72 Cutlass/442 dual
exhaust)?  How long will these systems last if driven on non salted
roads?   Never used them, but I've always heard a lot about them.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:51:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminized Exhuast System

What's the going rate/availability of
> stainless steel exhaust these days (for a 69-72 Cutlass/442 dual
> exhaust)?  How long will these systems last if driven on non salted
> roads?   Never used them, but I've always heard a lot about them.
>


The bad part is this. Stainless steel would be the best way to go. On
an exhaust, you always have moist exhaust gas inside the pipe. Well,
with an aluminized exhaust, the pipe is only coated on the outside.
Most exhausts never rust from the outside in. It is always from the
inside out. Aluminized will help some, but the best bet for the buck I
think would be stainless.
==
Rock-Man's Page
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:52:27 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: RE: 442?

> > > This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
> > > miles,#matching 350 rocket
> > > perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body
> has been
> > > painted by a 16 year old
> > > with a bad paintbrush.
> > > What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> > > How many of you think this is a bad idea.
> >
>   I have a buddy that did this to his
> > '68.  Spent THOUSANDS of dollars on this plain-jane cutlass to make
> it look
> > like a 4-4-2.  But when the day came when he decided he needed to
> sell it,
> > he couldn't get anything out of it, because it was a fake.  If he had
> > started with a real 4-4-2 and put the same amount of money into it,
> he could
> > have sold it for 2 TIMES as much as he did.
>
>
>   If you
> > want a 4-4-2, find a REAL one and buy it.  It's a much better
> investment
> > (most cases) to buy a real 4-4-2 and fix it up, then to buy a
> Cutlass and
> > make it into a 4-4-2.
> >
> > Sorry if I hurt your feelings... ;)
> >
> > Blaine
> >
> >
> I agree with Blaine on this subject. My Cutlass was saved from being
> converted into a fake. The guy who owned it before me was going to
> make it into a 4-4-2. It would be nice to have it "appear" to be a
> 4-4-2, I would always know that it is a fake. Stay with the Cutlass.
> Show em what the Cutlass's can do also! Everyone out here use to call
> my car the "gutless Cutlass" Up until I started eating up modified
> 5.0's with my stock Cutlass that weighs close to 3 times more then the
> 5.0's!

I think make it look like a 442 is a real stupid idea. On the other hand
I think it makes sense to put it to 442 specs enginewise. I would not
spend a penny on other grilles and emblems but I would sure love to have
a 455 modified to W31 specs! This would be a pretty sleeper especially
with the brush paint job!!! Go for the inner values!

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:55:16 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: olds on autoweb up to 24%!!!

Hi guys,

just voted on autoweb and I saw we won another percent!!! Keep going,
everybody!
go to http://www.autoweb.com/company/surveyResult.awi

George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:09:15 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

>last peek showed all functioning OK, mebbe just needs some WD-40 or liquid
>wrench (motor oil??) to enable fast idle cam to turn freely.
My uncle who was in the garage business for all his life would never let
anyone use any oil on choke linkage.  His theory was that it would only
attract dirt and make the problem worse in the long run.  He was quite
successful using lacquer thinner applied via a small pump type oil can. He
would clean everything thoroughly with the thinner and let it dry.  He did not
seem to have many returning choke problems.  I would guess that applying some
silicon spray after cleaning would not hurt since it will not attract dirt.
It was unheard of in his day.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

P.S.
Karl,
Talk in the third person if you want.  It is a free country. We all have our
little idiosyncracies, I've been known to talk to my Olds a few times and pat
it on the fender when just passing by.  As you said, you have your priorities,
we all do.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:12:21 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: RE: 442?

> This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
> miles,#matching 350 rocket
> perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body has been
> painted by a 16 year old
> with a bad paintbrush.
> What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> How many of you think this is a bad idea.

It will never be a 442. but it can be made to perform and handle like one
with
the right parts.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:16:06 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

I always thought it was SOM sneaking itto the house and using the computer
and ocasionally making refferences to its owner. :)

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:19:08 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminized Exhuast System

At 12:49 PM 10/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Kevin Wong wrote:
>>
>> > ordered for the '71 442.  Can someone tell me how I can confirm that
>> > what I received is indeed "Aluminized"?  The exhaust pipes and mufflers
>> > that I received look like they are plain "bare" steel without any
>> > special finish on them.
>
>If the pipes are supposed to be aluminum I would think testing with a
>magnet would be helpful.

They are still steel with a aluminum coating or alloyed (not really sure
which)
,but spark testing should identify them from a normal exhaust pipe.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:29:27 PST
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

I think the Alero is a disgrace to the oldsmobile name, but if you think
about it all those ingenious designers of the 60's and 70's musclecars
are probably retired or dead and rolling over in their graves at the
sight of modern oldsmobiles.  And what is up with that damn ugly hood
symbol my dad says it looks like a middle finger.  If you buy one of
these cars I hope you enjoy it if it fits you but I will never stop
driving my 70 Cutlass Supreme no matter how high gas prices get because
I would rather get there in style than drive a Geo lookin' piece of
plastic crap.


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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 22:43:44 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Radiator Replacement (Only $80!)

Cough, Couhg, $80!!!!

Where does one go for this wonderful deal????  (Need 3 or 4-core for
Gobstopper in distant future)

Serious, where does one get a 3-core for $80 (I'm guessing American
$'s)?

Around here, I would guess 200-300 Canadian (140-200 American)!

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/gobstop.shtml  <-- Needs 4-core someday
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/biggreen.shtml <-- Came with new 4-core

Chris Brown wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Last year I upgraded from a 2 to 3 core radiator on my 72 Supreme, I got it
> from parts america for about 80 bucks with a lifetime warranty (they had it
> in stock).  The car runs alot cooler now, which in turn helped its
> performance.  I wasnt in any shape to spend the money on an aluminum one.
> They also make 4 core, but I think you have to special order them.
>
> Chris Brown
> 72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:38:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

Plastic eh?  That's why the features listing is two-sided galvanzied steel
body panels and dent-resistant steel body panels.  The saftey cage is
solid steel and the engine mounting is one piece of hydro-formed steel.
Where did you get plastic from?

TTYL

Derek Douglas
- ---------------
Prime-Line Communications
   derek@primeline.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:42:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

Sorry in the last one, engine mounting should be engine compartment, the
engine mountings are hydraulic..

Derek Douglas
- ---------------
Prime-Line Communications
   derek@primeline.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:38:47 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

At 10:29 AM 10/29/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> I think the Alero is a disgrace to the oldsmobile name, but if you think
> about it all those ingenious designers of the 60's and 70's musclecars
> are probably retired or dead and rolling over in their graves at the
> sight of modern oldsmobiles.  And what is up with that damn ugly hood
> symbol my dad says it looks like a middle finger.  If you buy one of
> these cars I hope you enjoy it if it fits you but I will never stop
> driving my 70 Cutlass Supreme no matter how high gas prices get because
> I would rather get there in style than drive a Geo lookin' piece of
> plastic crap.


Don't mince words, tell us what you really think. :)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:55:53 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Derek Douglas wrote:

> Plastic eh?  That's why the features listing is two-sided galvanzied steel
> body panels and dent-resistant steel body panels.  The saftey cage is
> solid steel and the engine mounting is one piece of hydro-formed steel.
> Where did you get plastic from?
>
> TTYL
>
> Derek Douglas
> ---------------
> Prime-Line Communications
>    derek@primeline.net

What about the Mirrors, bumbers, hubcaps, interior etc? Of Course the
frame and main part of the body is not made from plastic...
I think plastic in the first post refers to the shaky setup you get putting
too many snap on molded plastic parts on you car which will fall of when
you want to work on it 10 years from now.

This is what it is all about:

There will be nobody driving an alero anymore in 20 years! Car industry
does not make money from building cars which are forever running and easy
to remodel like all our 60 and 70 beauties! And since they found out we
have those PLASTIC throw away cars...

Regards, George

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http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:04:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think of the Alero?

I get what he meant now, thanks for clearing that up.. =]

TTYL

Derek Douglas
- ---------------
Prime-Line Communications
   derek@primeline.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:35:52 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch

Off-topic, I know...

They had both of the big screen displays in one of the Simulation Labs
at work set up to watch the STS-95 launch.  After a couple of holds --
one for some yahoo flying a plane too close to the launch site --
it was a picture perfect shuttle launch.  I was surprised, got a lump in
the old throat.

Godspeed, John Glenn!

P.S. The only shuttle launch I ever saw in person was the Challenger launch :P

Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:33:55 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Wtd: 350 Info and Parts

Jason,

While not in SW VA, I've got a set of 4s off of a 67 330.  They're crusty
and would need to be redone, but they're cheap.  Heck, if you can figure
out how to get them, I'll let you have them for free.  Coming up to visit
the folks anytime soon?

I've heard a number of 595 lbs for a complete 350 - I assume that number is
air cleaner to oil pan.  I'd guess a 350 short block weighs about 300 lbs,
but that's just a guess.

Joe P

=======================

Does anyone in the SW VA area have some *cheap* small block Olds heads
(they'll go on a 350 block--maybe) for sale?

Also, does anyone know what a short-block 350 weighs?  I was talking to
John M. this evening and he thinks that 560# weight in the FAQ is the long
block.

Thanks!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:42:55 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Off-topic, I know...
>
> They had both of the big screen displays in one of the Simulation Labs

Same here at Boeing (Rockwell/Space systems).  Every launch is a big
deal
here.

Olds related:
  I wish I had a rocket like that being used on the shuttle. :-)

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:41:01 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Stroked 307

Can you stroke-out the 307 using .030 over pistons and maybe a 350 Crank
(and/or 350 rods).  What about a 403 Crank (and/or rods).
____________

All Olds small block motors, from 260 to 403, use the same stroke.
Swapping the crank won't change displacement.  The good news is that a
forged 330 crank can drop into a 350 or 403 (or a 307) with only a
rebalance and the use of an early flywheel.  Your only solution for more
displacement is a 350 or 403 block.

The only option for stroking a small block is to use a diesel block, which
has the larger main bearing diameter of a big block Olds, and use a 425
crank.  Unfortunately, of course, the rod journals need to be cut down, and
the block likely needs to be clearanced internally for the longer stroke.
This is not a low-buck operation.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:36:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: OOPS!

Proving that even the experienced can screw up, I just sent a reply to the
list that was supposed to go to Jason Adcock privately.  Sorry about
that....

I'm guessing that Jason will be smart enough to reply to me privately.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:49:26 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: 442?

> This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe...
> What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> How many of you think this is a bad idea.

It will never be a 442. but it can be made to perform and handle like one
with the right parts.
__________

Uh, actually, starting in 1972 the 442 was no longer a unique model line
but simply an option package on four Cutlass models.  As a result, there is
no way to tell from the VIN if the car is a "real" 442 or not.  The
exception here, of course, is that 1972 was also the first year that the
engine designator appreared in the VIN, so this is the first and only year
that a W-30 can be so documented.

Look, there's nothing wrong with wanting to make the car look like a 442,
so long as you're doing this for your own consumption and not to try to
represent the car as something it's not for a profit.  The reality is,
however, that even if the car were a real 442, you're unlikely to get the
money out of it that you'll end up puting into it.  As a result, just built
it the way you want.  Frankly, I'd rather see someone who wants to modify a
car use a Cutlass and add 442 emblems than cut up a good original "real"
442.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:08:01 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Radiator Replacement (Only $80!)

>Cough, Couhg, $80!!!!
>
>Where does one go for this wonderful deal????  (Need 3 or 4-core for
>Gobstopper in distant future)
>
>Serious, where does one get a 3-core for $80 (I'm guessing American
>$'s)?
>
 Personally, I have no idea. I just paid US $150 for a new 3 core Modine &
was dumb enough to think I got a good deal. (AutoZone quoted me $179 for a
new 3 core for a brand I'd never heard of.)

roger hitson

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:29:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Grille restoration

Brian,
Looked three places for Krylon #1403, Auto Zone, Wal Mart, and a local
paint store. They have Krylon but no #1403, Awl Mart had the biggest
selection, and all in numerical order, but no#1403. Got a hint?
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

> I did the same tedious job a few years ago. The closest match for paint
is
> Krylon  Dull Aluminum #1403. - Spray the entire grille and let it set for
> about a day so the silver won't dissolve when you brush in the black. Yes
,
> it is a job for the kitchen table and when your patience is at it's best.
I
> also used Krylon - semi-flat black for the recessed areas.
> It's a bit of an art, flowing the right amount of black in the areas
without
> allowing the black to run up too high on the sides. Results are worth it
as
> the front of the car looks much fresher, as when it was new.
>  Good luck!  Don't know of any other way.
>
> Brian Smith
> 1971 SX

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:02:26 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Aleros and surveys

I think this is pretty funny, actually.  We've all been logging in on this
"Best built car" survey, turning it into a popularity contest rather than a
true gauge of design desireability and build quality, and in the same
breath we're ragging on Oldmobile's new products.  While I don't personally
think this "survey" is anything other than the aforementioned website hit
inflator, it would be a crime it somebody actually thinks that Oldsmobile's
1999 products are highly reguarded by consumers.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:40:24 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 442?

Don't bastardize it!! If you want to spend 1000's of $$$ on it to change it
over that's your business. Put the $$$ into the motor/trans & rear. Making
it a 442 is JUST LIKE THE RICE BOYS do with their cars. They take an
average Acura and throw on some emblems, stickers & rims and now they think
it a Type-R Acura. We rip on them if they do it, so what's the difference
if we do it? there is no difference, in both cases it is making a car not
what it is...

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: 442?
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 12:12 PM
>
>
> > This summer I bought a 72 cutlass holiday coupe 130,000 original
> > miles,#matching 350 rocket
> > perfect interior,BUT here's the kicker I live in MN and the body has
been
> > painted by a 16 year old
> > with a bad paintbrush.
> > What I want to do is turn it into a 442  It's going to cost  BIG$
> > How many of you think this is a bad idea.
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:38:14 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Survey

Just checked the vote: 24%
Everyone VOTE!

http://www.autoweb.com/company/horn.awi

Uh Oh . . . . I just thought of something. There could be a run on
Oldsmobiles making them scarce. Some guys here seem to buy another one every
week. Could get pricey.

On the other hand our cars could be more valuable as a result.

VOTE!

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:39:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aleros and surveys

You have a point here Joe, but the question is "What is the best made
car" It doesn't specify what year it is. Sure, I can't say that I
appreciate the new Oldsmobiles...heck...any of the new "jellybeans"
that are out today. But, the best MADE car would have to be the
Oldsmobile in my opinion. Try to take a H*nda and put the ponies the
Oldsmobiles pump out and see if you can get 180+ thousand out of em!
It just wouldn't happen!

Del


- ---Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> I think this is pretty funny, actually.  We've all been logging in
on this
> "Best built car" survey, turning it into a popularity contest rather
than a
> true gauge of design desireability and build quality, and in the same
> breath we're ragging on Oldmobile's new products.  While I don't
personally
> think this "survey" is anything other than the aforementioned
website hit
> inflator, it would be a crime it somebody actually thinks that
Oldsmobile's
> 1999 products are highly reguarded by consumers.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
>
>
>

==
Rock-Man's Page
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:52:10 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: A Picture Perfect Launch

That's why I love the name "ROCKET" A good show.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> Off-topic, I know...
>
> They had both of the big screen displays in one of the Simulation Labs
> at work set up to watch the STS-95 launch.  After a couple of holds --
> one for some yahoo flying a plane too close to the launch site --
> it was a picture perfect shuttle launch.  I was surprised, got a lump in
> the old throat.
>
> Godspeed, John Glenn!

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:38:13 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: OT:  A Picture Perfect Launch

>Olds related:
>  I wish I had a rocket like that being used on the shuttle. :>


Eeehhh
what about a jato roket? (jet asisted take of. )
its used on the c130 hercules for take of at short runways
it has aktualy been tried out
i think it was in 96 a gay won the darwin awards (anual dumbest gay in the US)
he tied up a jato rocket on top of his cheby and turned it on.
they found the remanings of him in a cliff, 150feet over the road
but think of the thrill he must have felt when he thorcht the rocket :-)


Trond Jarle

69 f85
mailto:trondped@c2i.net
icq:15898213

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:45:21 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Karl Aune - third person dialogue?

Mike thinks that Karl has been watching way too many old Seinfeld reruns....!!!
 That's exactly what Mike thinks...!!!!!!


Mike......................


From:          KarlAune@aol.com

 > Sorry for the non-Olds content, but I've been dying to ask this.
 > Karl Aune, why do you always refer to yourself in the third person?
 > Or, is this someone who knows Karl and is refering to him? I've always
 > found it a bit confusing, myself.



Karl prefers working 'neath Soylent "Ocean Mist" to discussing various
pronunciations of 4 4 2, and other air cleaner trivia.

Karl simply has rearranged his heierarchy of what is important, and what is
not.

Besides, why else are you reading this but for the humor value?

OLDSMOBILE CONTENT:
Have been tweaking the 2GC choke settings as it has been a while since "fast
idle" worked properly at startup and then abated. Recent adjustment gave SOM
only fast idle, not good. Dieseling imminent. Working on it after
Oldsmobiling, Karl saw the choke spring relax as it cooled, so coil and
related rods approximately OK.

Got fast idle at start and then slow idle last night but fast idle only this
morning.
last peek showed all functioning OK, mebbe just needs some WD-40 or liquid
wrench (motor oil??) to enable fast idle cam to turn freely.


SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:50:59 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442?

........Well put!  I am glad to see someone that isn't so diehard about
keeping a "plain Jane" Cutlass from being a proud-to-drive 442 clone! I have a
65 clone as well as a 65 original, and I drive the clone everyday without an
ounce of guilt! I can also say that from casual viewing, the Clone looks
better! It has a more aggresive stance(thanks to performance tires). It's
funny how I can have both cars out on cruise nights and nobody cares that one
is fake and the other is real...they just like the "fast one"(the fake).

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:12:48 -0800
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 442 to buy

I  Think that the online wantads @ 444.com will give you a good place to
start looking. Lots of OLDS for sale. Good luck..

non-ya non-ya wrote:

> Hey list,
> I am just know starting interest into rebuilding old muscle cars, and
> would like to start off with a 70 convert. olds 442.  Anyone know
> where I can start looking to find one?  I would prefer one that still
> runs but not necessary.
>
> Thanks,
> cb, south ga
>
>
>
>
>
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