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Re: engine weight
350 olds engine upgrade-what next?
Re: engine weight
Re: engine weight
about your site
Olds 350 mods?
70 350 Heads
seats revisited
Re: engine weight
69 8 Track FS
Olds Blues
Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
Re: seats revisited
Re: '68 Cutlass project FS (fwd)
H.R East Directions.
Engine stands (was: engine weight)
Re: seats revisited
unsubscribe oldsmobile
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
Re: H.R East Directions.
RE:  Keyless entry, non list-exclusive
Re: Olds Blues
Re: Engine stands (was: engine weight)
Re:Delcotron
year 2000 countdown
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
RE: engine weight
Re: How to start a long dormant motor?
RE: Keyless entry, non list-exclusive
RE: engine weight
RE: engine weight
Re: Olds 350 mods?
Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Re: Olds Blues
Re: '66 tripower carbs
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
new parts source
Re: engine weight
Re: Olds Blues
more parts
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
4 Sale
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
69 442 saga
Rocker Arm Question
(no subject)
Re: 1970 Vista Cruiser info
Re: H.R East Directions.
Parts for Sale
ADMIN: Mail Attachments (fwd)
Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
My apologies was:Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:02:59 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine weight

In a message dated 10/15/98 12:34:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bob149@uswest.net writes:

<< the 750lb unit will hold it fine ,,, but.
 750lb stands usually have 3 wheels and the heavier ones have 4 wheels.
 It's no fun torqueing heads or a dampner with a 3 wheel stand
  >>
aw, thats not hard at all.  i have a 3 leg stand, and there has been 4 big
blocks on it, and 3 small blocks on it.  no problemos.  torquing stuff isnt
all that hard.  just put one foot on the front leg, one arm on the engine, and
pull the torque wrench with the other arm.  no toughy.  also, 4 legs might
actually get in your way.  might trip over them more than if you had just one
front leg.  its not going to be as stable as a 4 leg stand, but 3 legs are
just fine unless you plan on pulling it across the front yard with a 455 on
it.  just thought id express my thoughts since i have a 3 leg engine stand.
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:21:18 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: 350 olds engine upgrade-what next?

hey guys,
im trying to figure out what i should do to my engine next to make a quicker
car.  im looking for the most beneficial swap or addition for my money.
currently, my engine is mainly for idle-4500 or so rpm.  i added some 3.73
gears, and now i think i can up the power band a bit.  i have the edelbrock
performer cam and intake, #7a heads, stock valve sizes, 9.0:1
compression(possibly  a little more), and a quadrajet thats been worked on a
good bit. 
Ignition: msd 7aL box with accel supercoil & 8mm accel wires
Exhaust:1 3/4" into 3" headers, 2.5"exhaust, 2 chamber flowmaster mufflers
Tranny: th350 built with street/strip shift kit,  will soon be replaced with
built 2004r with stall converter rated somewhere around 2400rpm.
Car: olds cutlass   wieghs about 3600 lbs
what would you do?  go to a performer RPM intake?  swap in a mondello cam?
bigger valves?  carb?  any help or opinions would be great.  thanks,
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: engine weight

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/15/98 12:34:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bob149@uswest.net writes:
> 
> << the 750lb unit will hold it fine ,,, but.
>  750lb stands usually have 3 wheels and the heavier ones have 4 wheels.
>  It's no fun torqueing heads or a dampner with a 3 wheel stand
>   >>
> aw, thats not hard at all.  i have a 3 leg stand, and there has been 4 big
> blocks on it, and 3 small blocks on it.  no problemos.  torquing stuff isnt
> all that hard.  just put one foot on the front leg, one arm on the engine, 
and
> pull the torque wrench with the other arm.  no toughy.  also, 4 legs might
> actually get in your way.  might trip over them more than if you had just one
> front leg.  its not going to be as stable as a 4 leg stand, but 3 legs are
> just fine unless you plan on pulling it across the front yard with a 455 on
> it.  just thought id express my thoughts since i have a 3 leg engine stand.
> jeremy

I assume that you've never had one fall on you... I have... wouldn't use a
3 leg again if I was paid to!  Somehow I got lucky... managed to catch the
full weight of a 350 and TH400... slowed it down enough where neither was
damaged... and managed to get out of the way before it squished me...
though one of the legs on the stand got me in the leg... suprised it
didn't break my leg!  As it was... I had a bad bruise for a while!

3 leg is good for a short block... but get a 4-leg for anything heavier!

I'm not trying to put you down or anything... just sharing my experience!




    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH200M)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:28:14 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine weight

In a message dated 10/15/98 1:24:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu writes:

<< I assume that you've never had one fall on you... I have... wouldn't use a
 3 leg again if I was paid to!  Somehow I got lucky... managed to catch the
 full weight of a 350 and TH400... slowed it down enough where neither was
 damaged... and managed to get out of the way before it squished me...
 though one of the legs on the stand got me in the leg... suprised it
 didn't break my leg!  As it was... I had a bad bruise for a while!
 
 3 leg is good for a short block... but get a 4-leg for anything heavier!
 
 I'm not trying to put you down or anything... just sharing my experience!
  >>
oops, i musta cought this one midstream.  are we talking about cherry pickers
or engine stands?  if your talking about cherry pickers, id get a 4 leg one.
the center of gravity on those things is sorta tipsy topsy when taking the
engine over the front of the car.  
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:54:04 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Olds 350 mods?

What modifications are the best applicable (cheapest, easiest, and 
best results) to an 77 Olds 350?  Does an intake really help at all? 
How about headers, cam, or different heads?  I currently have the 3a 
heads from 77.  Are these any good?  Any custom mods you guys have 
had success with?  Cold air induction, carb tricks, ignition 
coils/modules?  Thanks.

Joe
gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:59:23 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: 70 350 Heads

>From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
>Subject: 70 heads

>does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i thought #5
heads
>came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?

All 1970 350 heads were # 6. Piston dish size determined compression
ratio for differences between 2bbl and 4bbl

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:06:03 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: seats revisited

List,
            It turns out that my seats are from a 66' GTO. Can I purchase
Cutlass upholstery
to recover these puppies ???     Make my own covers ??????

Tanks
The General

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:29:21 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: engine weight

I believe that the 350s are around 600 pounds or so.  As far as engine stand
goes, always buy the best you can afford.  I bought a 1250 lb. unit with 4
legs.  Worked great for my 455 and later my th400, and now has the 307 on
it.  I moved the stand with the motors on  it a few times in the garage and
again, no problem.  On reassembly (and some disassembly, like the balancer)
you  have to put some power to the wrench which can cause tipping, so get a
4 leg one.  Someone mentioned that 4-legs may get in a way.  Maybe a bit,
but I definitely am happy with mine.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:35:25 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 69 8 Track FS

Here is a URL for someone selling an 8 track for a 69 442. It's on the
www.Chevelles.com  site. He wants $75. Maybe someone on the list is
interested.


http://www.chevelles.com/ads/parts/messages/4452.html
<http://www.chevelles.com/ads/parts/messages/4452.html> 



Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the .....Past

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:10:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olds Omega <oldsomega73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Olds Blues

Well I have some very dissappointing news.  I can not afford (or
rather, out bid)the 1973 Omega to whom I devoted a web page. Sigh! I
really wanted this car, but the dealer insisted I have the money in
two more days, and I being a poor working man of 19 years, could not
come up with the cash in a mere two days. Alas my dreams of my own
kick ass Olds is on hold untill I get more money and can find another
suitable car. Life sure can suck sometimes.

Avery





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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:18:05 -0400
From: "Thomas Q. Bartee" <tbartee@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Tire/Wheel Balance Question

Thanks for the tip, Erwin, makes sense, I'll keep this in mind.

At 03:05 PM 10/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I used to work at a tire shop way back just after I graduated tech 
>school, what I foubd that works very well when havin to balance any of 
>the Olds wheels is usung 2 cones......a large one in the back and a 
>smaller cone going into the front of the wheel.....give a very accurate 
>balance.....
>
>Erwin Mendoza
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:26:52 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

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cheesblock preheating hold-down unit. 

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
>

I  have to vote for this response.....HAHA! That kills me!
I like your sense of humor, Ray!


Mike Baugher
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:44:10 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

> The bottle is the spare container of opticlean (opticlear?
> opti something) washer solvent.

Yeah, "Optikleen", brought to you by the same spelling experts
responsible for "gages"...  :-)

Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?

- -- Andy


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:44:28 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: seats revisited

>            It turns out that my seats are from a 66' GTO. Can I purchase
>Cutlass upholstery to recover these puppies ???     Make my own covers
??????


I'm not familiar with the physical shape of the GTO seats, but if it's the
same as the Cutlass you can definetely buy the upholstery. (YearOne,
Brothers, etc.) If the shape is different, then any reputable upholstery
shop will be able to custom make the seat covers to match the Cutlass style.

Just my .02 and Good Luck,
Randy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:52:51 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass project FS (fwd)

Jeff I've got the left exhaust manifold  and the bumper hangers to, E-mail me
privately thanks Chris


CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
70 442HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!!
SOMMERVLLE@AOL.COM

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:01:52 -0400
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: H.R East Directions.

Hello list. For those of you located on the upper East coast, Read:

The Hot Rod Power Tour East starts in Boston Mass Oct 17th, this Saturday.
On Sunday,  I and Quincy intend to meet up with the tour enroute.

Most of the list knows of "Quincy" the Custom Cutlass IROC-SS. Should you be
able, this is your only chance this year to see the prototype exterior
styling in person. I will meet up with the tour around noon in Newburg and
proceed with them onto the days final destination at the Rockland Community
College.

Official Directions:

"The tour will take Rt-2 West for 50 miles, than go south on I-91. They will
inundate the Hazardville/E. Windsor, Connecticut, gas stop (Exits 47,46 and
45 off I-91, your choice), than take I-84 East to Newburg, New York (Exit 8)
for their gas/lunch stop. (This is where Quincy + I will meet up with the
pack), We will continue on I-84 until we hit I-87/I-287 South to cruise
along the scenic Hudson River and into Rockland Community College at Exit
14B. ETA: 3pm."


At this point Quincy's exterior is fairly complete. It is my hopes that it's
visual and "prototype to production" status will invoke H.R. to take a few
shots. Huummm, a Che*y based mag with a list members Olds an hopefully a
single page spread.

East coast weather is projected to be a stunning sunny 70* day. I hope some
of the list might come out to meet us. While a few exterior styling details
may change slightly  pre-production, the primary essence of the Cutlass
IROC-SS is in tact.

Side update:

My original photographer has bowed out of our scheduled Saturday night shoot
in Lou of an 8 day NY City shoot. Can't blame him. 1 day Vs 8 days of pay.
At any rate I have lined up another pro this morning at 8:am. Whew,
hopefully Digital's available by late next week. An official site up late
the next week. Those on the list that would like a couple shots, (size
depending), please e-mail me directly from your account you want the pics
sent to. Please write "Send pics here" in subject line and the very night
their in my computer, you will receive them. Since this is a commercial
venture, I request no one post these pics until my official site is up. You
will then need link the pic to the official site. I will supply info with
the pics as to how the sub title should read. This is very important to me.
No pic posts until my OK...

Thanks, and hope to meet you. there.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:07:43 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Engine stands (was: engine weight)

 ...torquing stuff isnt all that hard.
________

Actually, here's what I do.  When torquing mains or head bolts, I stand
_on_ the back legs of the engine stand.  This way, all the torque is
reacted through the stand, with no side loads going through the floor.  In
addition, your weight on the back legs of the stand help to steady it.

Having said that, I originally had a cheezy lightweight engine stand.  Had
a build 455 shortblock on it, when wife #1 attemped to move it in the
garage.  The wimpy front caster folded and the thing came down on her leg.
Messed up her knee and broke one of the dowel pin bosses on the block.  I
went out and bought a much better stand.  Spend the money - it's cheap
insurance.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:12:30 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: seats revisited

List,
            It turns out that my seats are from a 66' GTO. Can I purchase
Cutlass upholstery
to recover these puppies ???     Make my own covers ??????

Tanks
The General
____________

The basic frames should be the same for all the GM A-bodies, so the Cutlass
upholstery should go right on.  As far as making your own covers, it's
certainly possible if you have the seamstress and pattern making skills.  I
don't know your ability.  That's one area on the car I personally wouldn't
try to work on (having done just about everything else short of setting up
a rear end and installing a convertible top).  Not saying you couldn't do
it, I just know that I don't have the skills.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:25:12 -0400
From: "John Duncan" <John@JohnDuncan.com>
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:07:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?

- -- Andy
_________

Oh!  Oh!  Mr. Cotter, Mr. Cotter...

Uh, that would be an alternator, despite the GEN ligth on the dash.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:11:59 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: H.R East Directions.

Hello list. For those of you located on the upper East coast, Read:
> 
> The Hot Rod Power Tour East starts in Boston Mass Oct 17th, this Saturday.
> On Sunday,  I and Quincy intend to meet up with the tour enroute.
> 
> Most of the list knows of "Quincy" the Custom Cutlass IROC-SS. Should you be
> able, this is your only chance this year to see the prototype exterior
> styling in person. I will meet up with the tour around noon in Newburg and
> proceed with them onto the days final destination at the Rockland Community
> College.
> 
> Official Directions:
> 
> "The tour will take Rt-2 West for 50 miles, than go south on I-91. They will
> inundate the Hazardville/E. Windsor, Connecticut, gas stop (Exits 47,46 and
> 45 off I-91, your choice), than take I-84 East to Newburg, New York (Exit 8)
> for their gas/lunch stop. (This is where Quincy + I will meet up with the
> pack), We will continue on I-84 until we hit I-87/I-287 South to cruise
> along the scenic Hudson River and into Rockland Community College at Exit
> 14B. ETA: 3pm."
> 
> At this point Quincy's exterior is fairly complete. It is my hopes that it's
> visual and "prototype to production" status will invoke H.R. to take a few
> shots. Huummm, a Che*y based mag with a list members Olds an hopefully a
> single page spread.
> 
> East coast weather is projected to be a stunning sunny 70* day. I hope some
> of the list might come out to meet us. While a few exterior styling details
> may change slightly  pre-production, the primary essence of the Cutlass
> IROC-SS is in tact.
> 
> Side update:
> 
> My original photographer has bowed out of our scheduled Saturday night shoot
> in Lou of an 8 day NY City shoot. Can't blame him. 1 day Vs 8 days of pay.
> At any rate I have lined up another pro this morning at 8:am. Whew,
> hopefully Digital's available by late next week. An official site up late
> the next week. Those on the list that would like a couple shots, (size
> depending), please e-mail me directly from your account you want the pics
> sent to. Please write "Send pics here" in subject line and the very night
> their in my computer, you will receive them. Since this is a commercial
> venture, I request no one post these pics until my official site is up. You
> will then need link the pic to the official site. I will supply info with
> the pics as to how the sub title should read. This is very important to me.
> No pic posts until my OK...
> 
> Thanks, and hope to meet you. there.
> 
> ----Regards,
> 
> Gary J. Couse


	For those of you that are thinking of going or have never gone on one
of the Hot Rod Power Tours, I HIGHLY  encourage it!! It's a lot of
driving, you have to get up early everyday and these people have a HEAVY
right foot! Speeds are between 75-85 , that's fine if you have over
drive but 3:91's don't get it!  I swap gears to a 3:08 on the HRPT in
May , but the other guy that when with us had 4:10's. Definitely a GOOD
time! Just passing a long a little info.

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
                          1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>
                     <mailto:drdecal442aol.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:03:27 -0400
From: "Mike Coccagna" <mike.coccagna@envirosense.com>
Subject: RE:  Keyless entry, non list-exclusive

Ray -

As far as my keyless entry experience goes ('89 Cutlass Supreme, '91 Calais
442), there is a pigtail near the controller box that you can ground and the
locks will cycle.  While its in the grounded mode, hit a button and the
locks will cycle again when it receives the signal.  You can program 2
remotes for the car while it is grounded.  As Andy said, the receiver learns
the remote, not the other way around...

Here's a little better news - my last key fob was "only" $60 or so. :-O
Part number for the one with the Olds rocket on it is (TRW manufactured)
12522338.

Good luck.

Mike Coccagna
'91 Quad442
'93 SCX


- -----Original Message-----
From:	Andrew C. Green "acg_o@hotmail.com"
Sent:	Wednesday, October 14, 1998 6:33 AM
Subject:	Keyless entry, non list-exclusive

> I have a keyless entry system in my car that has the ability to
> also pop the trunk.  However, my remote does not have that button.
> Does anyone know if there is a code on the box or the remote I could
> use to order a new remote with that button?

My experience is only with the '93 system which uses the ALDL
connector under the dash for programming, but I'm not sure your '95
has the same connector.

Anyway, generally speaking, the car learns the remote code rather
than the other way around, so there's nothing to stop you from
programming two cars to respond to the same remote, for example. (In
your case it doesn't even sound like they gave you the right remote;
if you're sure the system you purchased can also pop the trunk, it
doesn't make much sense for them to provide a remote without that
button.)

What I suggest you do is find out what the procedure is to program
your car ('95 Cadillac?) for a new remote control. (On my '93, you do
it by jumpering the bottom left ALDL socket to the top right, then
pressing any _one_ button on your remote precisely once. The car
can learn up to two different remotes.) Then borrow a remote
transmitter from anyone having a comparable one with a trunk release,
program your car for it and see if the trunk now works. If so, you
know what to buy. I understand those little key fobs can be up to
$100, however.  :-(

Good luck...

- - -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:31:05 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

Olds Omega wrote:
> 
> Well I have some very dissappointing news.  I can not afford (or
> rather, out bid)the 1973 Omega to whom I devoted a web page. Sigh! I
> really wanted this car, but the dealer insisted I have the money in
> two more days, and I being a poor working man of 19 years, could not
> come up with the cash in a mere two days. Alas my dreams of my own
> kick ass Olds is on hold untill I get more money and can find another
> suitable car. Life sure can suck sometimes.
> 
> Avery
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

ouch. that'll ruin your day. sorry to hear it, Avery. what do you want
me to do with your link? i'd rather you keep the page and devote it to
the possession that never was.

- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:26:28 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine stands (was: engine weight)

I agree completely!!!!!
To anyone out there that is using one of those three caster,750lbs rated 
engine stands, THROW IT AWAY!!!
When I was 18 I had a RamAirIII Pontiac 400 that I was building at my 
parents house. I had a Friday off from work, and spent all night the 
previous Thursday trying to finish it up. Just before 6:00am on Friday I 
was bolting the engine side of the z-bar to the engine (Pontiac used a 2 
piece z-bar) and ended up tipping it over on me. I ended up having left 
hand ripped most of the way off and getting a Pontiac V8 deposited on my 
legs. Joe and Ray Moriarty have both seen my hand, and can vouch for the 
accuracy in this.

Don't risk your life over what amounts to a small amount of money!


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>I
>went out and bought a much better stand.  Spend the money - it's >cheap
>insurance.

>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:27:31 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re:Delcotron

>Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?


Hey Andy,

Is this close enough for a gold star?

Del = name of company (not sure if it's derived from the founders name or
what)

co = company

tron = electronics

Del Company Electronics

Next contestant, please.
Randy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:34:08 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: year 2000 countdown

Today there is 442 days till year 2000!

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
                          1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>
                     <mailto:drdecal442aol.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:40:27 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

At 06:44 AM 10/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> The bottle is the spare container of opticlean (opticlear?
>> opti something) washer solvent.
>
>Yeah, "Optikleen", brought to you by the same spelling experts
>responsible for "gages"...  :-)
>
>Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?
>
wasn't this a generator?

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:57:48 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: engine weight

> I had a 350 olds on a 750 lb stand.  It was fine as a long block but
> bent more as I added accesories.
>

Every once in a while, some outfit comes through town here and has a "Huge
Tool Sale".  Most of the tools you buy there are junk, but some of the
things are actually high quality.  I bought an engine stand there two years
ago for $25.  I was a little leery at first, because it came in a no-name
box that said "Made in China".  But it was rated at 1000 lbs., and has 4
legs with solid cast-iron casters.  I've got my 455 on it now, with
everything installed, including the A/C compressor, alternator,
power-steering pump, everything...  and it doesn't even appear to be
stressed.  And  if that's not enough, last month, we had a huge driveway
poured.  About the time the cement truck got there, we realized that the
engine was going to be in the way.  So we had to move it about 15 feet.
Anyone tried moving an engine stand with 455 on it through gravel and mud?
Not easy.  We had to use the cherry picker to pick it up, swing the motor &
engine stand, drop it.  Move cherry picker, pick up motor, swing it, drop
it.  And so on and so on.  The engine stand is still holding up just fine.
Doesn't even appear to be stressed.  Best $25 I ever spent on tools...

Blaine

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:04:30 -0300
From: Wade M Hunt <wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: How to start a long dormant motor?

Jason P. Labay wrote:

> Today after I did a title search and tracked down the previous owner of this 
66 Delta 88 I am pulling the 425 out of, I
> found out some interesting stuff.  It hasn't ran since 1979, this guys 
grandpa just parked it behind the garage and it
> sat there for years til the cops towed it for no registration and 
abandonment. He also says that the 44,100 on the
> odometer is actual.  So..how do I go about firing this motor up that has sat 
dormant nearly 20 years? This is my first
> time starting a long dormant motor and don't want to screw it up so I can't 
use it in my 72 Cutlass Supreme. Thanks
>
> Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
> http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay

You might want to take the rocker arms and check for stuck valves too.I just 
took my 69 400 apart after setting for 23
years with only 14000 miles on it. There were two valves stuck. You also could 
put some motor oil in the plug holes and
turn the motor over before trying to start it. GOOD LUCK              
wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:04:14 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Keyless entry, non list-exclusive

> Part number for the one with the Olds rocket on it is (TRW
> manufactured) 12522338.

Just as a datapoint, my '93 SSEi uses a "UNITED TECHNOLOGIES
AUTOMOTIVE" factory transmitter, with Pontiac logo. Three
buttons: Lock, Trunk Release and Unlock. First press of the
Unlock button does the driver's door, a second press within
twenty seconds pops all doors and the gas filler door lock.

Part number molded on the back reads "25602667, 68, 69".
I suspect the three different ending numbers refer to what
GM Division logo is molded on the front.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:07:50 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: RE: engine weight

I still have my first and only engine stand, it is a three wheel version.  A
small pebble caused me dump a complete 455.  Buy a 4 wheel version.
I was lucky and was not in the way when it tipped and I did not try to kill
myself catching it.  You may end up on the wrong side.  I will be modifying my
stand to 4 wheels soon.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:17:50 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: engine weight

> I bought an engine stand there two years ago for $25. 
> I was a little leery at first, because it came in a no-name
> box that said "Made in China". 

I was standing in line at the local Murray's Auto Parts and
noticed some no-name engine stand on display. The lift arm
had three lift points labeled on it at progressively further
distances out from the hydraulic jack, with a sticker reading:

500 LBS.    1000 LBS.    1500 LBS.

... or some such numbering, stuck on the side of the arm. Only
problem was they'd put the stickers on the wrong sides of the
arm, so that the heaviest weight capacity was pointing to the
hook furthest from the jack instead of closest to it. Heaven
help the first guy who tries to lift a 455 and trans with the
wrong end of the lifting arm.  :-(

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:54:11 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 mods?

Joe Gerschutz wrote:
> 
> What modifications are the best applicable (cheapest, easiest, and
> best results) to an 77 Olds 350?  Does an intake really help at all?
> How about headers, cam, or different heads?  I currently have the 3a
> heads from 77.  Are these any good?  Any custom mods you guys have
> had success with?  Cold air induction, carb tricks, ignition
> coils/modules?  Thanks.

Definately a head swap #5-6-7 or 7a's (not 7A), cam, EGR removal, re-jet
Q-jet, headers, sweet dual exhaust, probably an HEI ignition system if
it doesn't already have it. If you're going to be really serious, get
the trans rebuilt with a shift kit and cooler, get some lower (higher)
gears and posi, find a nodular or forged sb crank.

- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:48:15 EDT
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

I'm parting out an 84 H/O.  The car has t-tops and is complete. 

Also Have 4 68 H/Os complete willing to sell. No post cars 3 A/c and one non.

E mail me privately

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:32:54 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

> Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?

...and the winner is Joe Padavano, who correctly nailed it as 
being GM's confusing rename of what the rest of the world calls an
alternator. I have a great little booklet at home that came with
either the Chevy Vega or the Chevette, I forget which (I owned both,
something which my brain has been trying to suppress ever since),
aimed at new drivers who wanted to do their own basic maintenance.
It insisted on calling the thing a "Delcotron", thus guaranteeing
a baffled mechanic whenever the owner took his CheVega into the
corner gas station and announced that his Delcotron was squealing.

Second prize to Bob Blanchard for guessing a generator, but full
prize in case it turns out that they were using "Delcotron" for
that, too, back in the days when we had generators instead of
alternators-and-regulators.

...but the award for Most Preposterous Explanation By Someone Who
Clearly Has No Idea has got to go to Randy Geisel for the following
gem of muddleheaded analysis, which we are pleased to present in all
its glory for those of you who might have missed it when he altered
the Subject line:

> Del = name of company (not sure if it's derived from the founders
> name or what)
>
> co = company
>
> tron = electronics
>
> Del Company Electronics
>
> Next contestant, please.
> Randy

No, Randy, stick around, please; I'm sure we have some other
technical questions you can help us with.  :-)  :-)  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:51:29 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Peter Landowski wrote:
> 
> I have a 455 with about 2100 miles on it. I have the plasma moly rings on
> it. I was told that it takes about 3000 miles for those rings to seat
> completely. I check my oil level and it may be a 1/2 quart low after about
> 1000 miles. Is this true?
> 
> Pettrix@prodigy.net



I disagree with this completely. The reason racers like to run moly
rings is because they seat very very quickly. I installed plasma moly
rings in my 350 when it was rebuilt, we spun the motor over several
times by hand and you could hear the rings seat. (here goes the email
wars) The motor got a little more difficult to spin over and the tone
deepened a little. It is my belief that plasma moly rings are seated by
the time you have finished the initial cam break in.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:00:38 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

In a message dated 98-10-15 09:43:41 EDT, you write:

<< Well I have some very dissappointing news.  I can not afford (or rather,
out bid)the 1973 Omega to whom I devoted a web page. Sigh!  >>

Be of good cheer!

The dope(y) dealer was probably hosing you for more money than the car was
worth!

Keep on looking for the car that YOU want!

You'll find it somewhere!

Heck! You might spy a different olds that totally changes your mind about
looking for a 73 Omega...

Karl practically stumbled into SOM!

And so we go.
(usually VROOOM!!!!!!!!!!!)
(((exh too loud)))


SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:00:41 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

In a message dated 98-10-14 16:16:05 EDT, you write:

<< Thanks for your responses. I guess I'm just trying to determine exactly 
 what my potential sources for the carbs might be. I read in Doug Roe's 
 book about the several different venturi sizes, all on 2G carbs. But 
 this way, armed with carb #'s, I have a place to start! >>

As Karl mentioned previously 6 different venturii sizes.

BUT the older 2-Jets with smaller throttle plates all had one venturii size.

Leaves the later 2-Jet people in a carb quandry (5 venturii sizes).

Look at throttle plates, too small, not that one!

K

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:05:05 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

Forgot who started this thread, 
Rub the bottle and perhaps this babe who looks like Barbara Eden will come
out and say " Your wishes Master". Sure you could come up with a good one.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:09:57 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: new parts source

I haven't seen this company spoken of in the group so I will post this 
information for all of you. This company specializes in the GM line of cars 
and not just Chevy's
Company name is GM Sports Salvage there direct number is 408-432-8498, you can 
ask for Steve. 
The Oldsmobile section is 408-286-6537 and Larry is the man there.
If you wish to email Steve asked that we use caryes@aol.com.
Happy Hunting,
Bruce Camilli
70 Delta 88 Conv. 350 Rocket
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv. beefed-up 455 Rocket

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:20:44 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine weight

i went to the local napa store today and saw a 3 leg engine stand.  ugh..
when i said earlier that my 3 leg stand is fine, thats probably because its
about twice the size of that scrawny thing i saw in napa!!!!  my dad built
mine himself using plans out of i think popular mechanics magazine, or
something using 2x6" box steel(i think).  its very stout.  the one in the
store doesnt look the least bit safe.  very small wheelbase whereas mine has a
very large wheelbase.  so being that i know now what a store bought 3 wheel
engine stand looks like, i would like to agree with all the rest of you in
saying buy the strongest stand you can find!
jeremy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:27:04 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

> The dope(y) dealer was probably hosing you for more money than
> the car was worth!

$900 did seem a little (*cough*) steep for a '73 Chicago Omega.
I'm still curious about it; assuming it hasn't been sold already,
I might swing by and take a look at it myself. Not planning to
buy it, personally, but if I find it still there and it really is
decent, I'll let y'all know.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:35:15 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: more parts

These listings come from the recycler on-line if you've seen them go no 
further. These listings are from what I have seen discussed in the postings, 
there are allot of engine and misc. parts not listed here. You can check it 
out at 

http://www.recycler.com/asp/Class.asp?iC=3000 just type in Oldsmobile and 
click find it.


Oldsmobile 6 hds from 70 350, high nodular iron crank from 70 350 &
high nickel F2 block from 70 350, some or all, $50-$150; 75 Oldsmobile
455, comp inc F8 block & J hds, $100; Oldsmobile 330 forged steel
crank shaft, $100, 403 hds casting 4a, $50  (760) 742-1113


70 Oldsmobile Cutlass hood, $50 - pg at  619-910-9538



62 Oldsmobile, 394 engine, complete air clnr to pan, w slim jim trans, $350 
(818) 313-4493


87 Oldsmobile Delta 88, brand new seats, electric, & many other body pts, 
$50-$600  (818) 682-0245


Oldsmobile 65 starfire console w tachometer, tilt wheel column, wonder bar 
radio, 350 Edelbrock intake, $40-$85 (818) 841-3587


Oldsmobile 67 Cutlass 422 Rally Pac  gauges, circuit board, harness (2), 
dashboard (1), $300 or best offer - Ojai (805) 646-7617


65 Oldsmobile 442 parts, front bucket seats, $150  (702) 395-3321

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:38:11 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

I installed plasma moly rings in my 350 when it was rebuilt...

Stephen Hoover
______

Steve,

I take it you're happy with the moly rings?  I just ordered my first set
for the 455 I'm about to build for my 69 (long story for another post) and
I decided to go with moly (my past motors have all been built with cast
rings).  Any advice on wall finish, installation (other than "don't dip the
piston in oil"), or breakin?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:50:15 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: 4 Sale

Ok, so I got to much time on my hands, but I thought you Cutlass people might 
be interested. Check it out at

http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/auto/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo=981002
mew0123&phoneId=6192582772&ad=43919360&status=no&imgsite=&page=search


1970 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE - 2nd
 owner, original, runs great, auto, air conditioning, 112000
 MILES, serious buyers, offers above $3500 only, BY appt
 only, call (619)258 - 2772 from 10 - 5, (619)465 - 1524
 from 6 - 9

Bruce Camilli
70 Delta 88 Conv. Rocket 350
75 Delta 88 Royale Rocket 455

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:58:14 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:
> 
> I installed plasma moly rings in my 350 when it was rebuilt...
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> ______
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I take it you're happy with the moly rings?  I just ordered my first set
> for the 455 I'm about to build for my 69 (long story for another post) and
> I decided to go with moly (my past motors have all been built with cast
> rings).  Any advice on wall finish, installation (other than "don't dip the
> piston in oil"), or breakin?
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30


Everyone has their own opinions on engine building, but here is what I
did. I know that the cylinder has to be honed for moly rings, but I am
not sure exactly what that means. The machine shop asked me what type of
rings I was going to use when they did the prep work. They told me that
there is a special finish for moly rings and they would take care of it
when they did the cylinders. I did not dip my pistons in oil as many
people do. I bought some assembly lube from the machine shop and put a
small amount at the top of the cylinder before I installed the pistons.
I feel the grease/lube protects better and lasts a little longer than
oil does. It has always been my experience with cast rings, that they do
burn a little oil until they seat, and this is visible in the exhaust.
When I started my 350, I did not experience any smoke in the exhaust. I
plan to use moly rings in my 455 as well.

One thing that I think people should know is that moly rings are cast
rings with a moly coating on them. The actual material in the rings is
not different or special, but the coating prompts quick seating and is
worn off shortly after initial startup.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:05:50 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: 69 442 saga

OK, it seems like I'm destined to enter into these ill-fated Olds
relationships.  Frequent readers will recall the story of my 455 from
several months ago, wherein I found the sleeve in the block, the spun
bearing on the no 8 rod, the mix-and-match con rods, etc.  More recently, I
purchased a 69 442 with virtually no rust, 3.23 posi, PDB, TH400, and the
numbers-matching 400.  Unfortunately, this car had been previously
disassembled by someone with absolutely no clue of what he was doing, and
put back together, sort of, with about half the fasteners.  I knew most of
this when I bought the car, including the fact that the timing chain was
very loose.  Naturally, the first thing I did when the car finally arrived
was to launch into the timing chain replacement.  I found 1)  two broken
bolts on the water pump, 2) an early (64-67) balancer - which would explain
the inability of the seller to set the timing properly, 3)  the timing tab
and adjacent bolts on the front cover ground away, 4) a gold-painted front
cover (likely from the same 330 motor as the early balancer).  I surmise
from all this that the original balancer fragged and took out the front
cover, timing tab, and bolts in the process.  Check that rubber now...

Oh, yeah, the timing chain was shot too.

I replaced it with a Dynagear roller ($42 from Jeg's), installed the
correct balacer, managed to remove the broken bolts, installed a new water
pump, and buttoned it back up, with liberal application of Fusick's bronze
engine enamel.  At this point, the exhaust manifolds (correct W and Z) are
all only loosely bolted on and have cheezy gaskets _and_ RTV on the sealing
surfaces.  Well, the manifolds need to come off to clean that up, and I
MIGHTASWELL blast them and coat them with the POR-15 high temp cast grey I
just happened to buy at Hershey.

Unfortunately, during a prior removal of the heads (did I mention the car
currently wears J heads?) someone apparently snapped all four exhaust
flange bolts, as all had been drilled out and replaced with a nut and bolt.
This necessitated dropping the starter to reach the one nut.  I did this,
and noticed some nice, fresh orange rust on the side of the block behind
the starter.  My first reaction was that a freeze plug had rusted out.  No
such luck.  My numbers-matching block has a nice "L"-shaped crack in the
water jacket, outside of the no. 5 cylinder.  Now I've got to budget for
the engine rebuild that I really wasn't planning to do right now, not to
mention the mightaswells that go along with an empty engine compartment.

While I'll eventually repair the cracked block and reinstall it, if I'm
going to build an engine right now, it's going to be a 455.  I've
resurrected that sleeved block and the crank with the spun bearing (hey,
it's a nodular 4spd crank - gives me an excuse to install a 4 spd in the
spring), and I've ordered an engine kit from Northern Auto Parts ($435,
less cam, lifters, and timing set, but includes Fel-Pro gaskets, forged
pistons, and moly rings).  Currently chasing a set of C heads to top this
off, and I'll still paint the whole thing 400 bronze.  Getting the crank
welded and turned will cost about $120, and my friend who teaches at the
local community college thinks we can do the block in their shop for nada.
I'm planning to go with a Mondello cam and lifters (actually, anyone
running a 20-22 or 22-25 with A/C and PDB?).  With luck, I'll get out of
this for under $1300.

Uh, Andy, I could really use that prize money right about now...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:22:04 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Rocker Arm Question

As far as I know, Olds rockers are 1.6 ratio.  I have just put new rockers
on my new 455, but am wondering is some 1.7 ratio ones are available.  I
would rather do this then change my cam.  Just looking for a little more
juice.  Can you get them?  Are they cheap?  Are they worth it?  Igor.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:41:27 -0700
From: gary snyder <gary@saaborama.com>
Subject: (no subject)

Hello,

    I'm not very knowlageable on Olds. or domestic cars at all, but I'm
looking for some help. I have a '67 Cutlass Supreme here with a 442
10.5 to 1 compression ratio. I'm looking for heads. It's very confusing
with A,B,C, ect.. heads avalible. Can anybody tell me what heads I need
or how to identify the heads I have. It's a convertable and I'm also
wondering about it's value. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Gary Snyder

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:43:48 PDT
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 Vista Cruiser info

Go for it.  Almost any Vista Cruiser you will find out there in the 
world will have rust around the windows.  I am also a sucker for 70 
Oldsmobiles and have many Olds loving friends and I have seen people 
make up metal in angled shapes to replace the rusted out window channels 
and any decent body shop should be able to fix it right.  Even after 
fixing it I would still not leave it outside in the rain       ever if 
possible.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:52:16 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: H.R East Directions.

I would love to go on a Hot Rod Power Tour, but I live in CANADA.  Do they
ever go through northern Montana.  I could probable meet them there (from
Alberta).  I only have one question for you people.  Here in ALTA., we have
no emissions control, and rest assured, my '81 Delta will NEVER meet any '81
emissions.  10:1 CR. 455, non-emission carb and intake, dual "off road"
pipes, no catalytic converters.  So could I go on a power tour through the
US  states and have no problems (kind of like
"out-of-state-just-passing-through-to-spend-a-worthless-Canadian-dollar-or-t
wo immunity).  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:12:15 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts for Sale

PLEASE!
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P
 
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 
 1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $100
 
 1967  C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole>   $225
          Magnufluxed  -  complete
 
 1968
 Wiper Switch > $25
 442 grill emblem >   $30
 Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
 Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)>  $20
 Ashtray Door >  $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $20 ea.
 Rear defroster switch > $20
 Motor mount heat shield > $8
 Conv. Top latches  >20.pr
 Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$75.pr.
 Reverse light lens good condition > $10
 442 Carb  #7028251 >$100
 442 Air Cleaner w/lower tube>$75
 Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $50
 Choke pulldown only >$20
 Power Antenna Switch  >$20
 Plastic headlight doors > $125
 
 1969
 Wiper switch  > $20
 Radio plate (uncut)> $20
 Rear defroster Switch & wiring > $25
 Ashtray Doors   > $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $20
 Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $150 
 Hood Hinges > $20pr
 442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 glove box door - black w/woodgrain>$20
 Conv. Top latches >$20.pr
 Vacuum trunk switch >$20
 Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
 442 Taillight lenses $20ea
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps -4- >  $165
 69-72      Power window motors >  $15 ea.
 
 1970
 Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
 Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
 Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
 NOS Supreme Grills >$125
 Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
 Lower Dash AC Vents (none 8 Track)>$75
 Dual Gate Shifter>$150
 Wheel Well Chrome (HC) complete set> $80
 Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
 Nos pass. side headlight frame>  $50
 Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $25 ea
 Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $25 ea
 F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
 Ashtray Doors  >  $10
 Body Chrome - 1" spear type across middle of door,fender,and 1/4 > not
 complete $30
 Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
 Convertible top cylinder > $20
 Hood Hinges > $15
 Motor mount heat shield> $5
 Conv. Top latches> $20.pr
 455 heads E casting> $100
 Convertible Top Switch  > $60
 1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$60
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps>$165
 69-72      Power window motors> $20 ea.
 
 1971 & 1972
 Front bumper directional lens> $8 ea.
 72 fender mount antenna - complete> $20
 Tail light lens > $12 ea. or $40 for set of 4
 Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $20
 4-4-2 emblems set for 442 Grills >$30
 T handle  (that opens hood) > $10
 Ashtray Doors > $10
 Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges) >$10
 Convertible top cylinders  > $20
 Hood Hinges   >$15
 Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions (supremes only)>$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$5
 Conv. Top latches  >$20.pr
 69-72      Nos SSI center caps >  $165 set
 69-72      Power window motors > $20 ea.
 
 1973
 Carb         7043256  >$40

1974 & 75
Southern Fenders > $100ea.
442/Hurst Hood > $150 exc.

Parting 1969 Cutlass. 

 Shipping is extra 
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 905-357-4454

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:13:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Mail Attachments (fwd)

Got this from Steve S. (Thanks!) and thought others might be able to use
it to turn off the dreaded file attachments and assorted junk...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steven Saraceno <steven@purplemonkey.com>
Subject: RE: Mail Attachments

So you know for others using I.E. I went under <Tools><Services> chose
<properties> of internet mail, then clicked on button <message format> and
made sure mime was checked and then click on a button labeled <character
set> Mine was set to ISO 8859-1, I changed it to US ASCII text. 

Steven

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:14:19 EDT
From: MegaDelta@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

How much ya want for 'dem wheels!?


Joe Sherbanenko
Burnsville, MN
G-body List and general email go to- jcrash7@aol.com
Olds list email- megadelta@aol.com
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
ICQ#- 4856181

> Socalolds@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:15:31 EDT
From: MegaDelta@aol.com
Subject: My apologies was:Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

Shoot, very sorry-  should have gone to Socalolds@aol.com privately, very
sorry.

Joe Sherbanenko
Burnsville, MN
G-body List and general email go to- jcrash7@aol.com
Olds list email- megadelta@aol.com
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
ICQ#- 4856181

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