From: oldsmobile-digest <oldsmobile-digest-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 11:38 PM
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1528



oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, October 4 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1528



Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
ENGINE STUFF
Re: 69 Olds : Running rough Agin'
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
Re: Gas
Re: Gas Prices
Re: Gas Prices
Re: Timing Chain
Re: Gas Prices
thinking caps, please.
doing the HEI thing
Re: thinking caps, please.
Re: Gas
non-olds..
Re: Gas
Re:  non-olds..
Re: 72 Cutlass mirror removal
Larry Simpson Contact Info Needed!
Re: Gas
G-body owners...
Re: non-olds..
SV: Gas
Gauges
Re: Gauges
Re: thinking caps, please.
Re: Timing Chain
RE: Gauges
Re: ENGINE STUFF
Re: thinking caps, please.
Re: Gauges
Re: Gas
260 Heads on a 307
Re: Water Pump Fail
Re: non-olds..
Re: non-olds..
Needed:  Cutlass Supreme/Salon Logo Pics
Re: thinking caps, please.
69 Cutlass
Wanna get another Q-jet
Cutlass GT?
Re: 69 Cutlass
Re: thinking caps, please.
Re: Cutlass GT?
Re: Cutlass GT?
Re: To V.D.: Yarde Update: 1969 98
RE: Cutlass GT?
Re: Cutlass GT?
Re: non-olds..
307 Oil pan gasket
vacuum advance/69 running rough
Re: 68 442 Convertible
Re: Cutlass GT?
W-Machine Registry
Re: non-olds..
Re: add another to the fleet...
RE: Cutlass GT?
G-Body.Org Unleashes the Rockets of War, and seems to blow the Competition
away.
HELP!!
My Cutlasss hates me (very very ong)

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:38:07 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

Ray,
Hate to install another hood scoop to feed me 02. I have started drinking
red wine to offset the smoking, now I cough but don't know I am, Works
great!
Lou

> >> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> >Lou,
> Yeah, damn that dear!  Why do you want to quit?  The tobacco companies
> need our support to help pay the law suits.  But we shan't discuss such
> things on the Olds list!
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:03:52 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: ENGINE STUFF

OK, so...I'm about to start working on my 1984 307...I am going to replace
the valve cover gaskets and oil pan gasket (both definately Felpro, but are
they cork-blend?  I know they're not just cork, though, because I didn't
buy just cork), as well as little dinky stuff (like cleaning engine with
Gunk, replace all fluids, etc...).  Was kind of thinking about taking the
heads off (ring job) but then I thought I wouldn't...and I won't.  This
would involve taking the intake manifold off, yes?

Anyway, since I'm going to have the oil pan off, what should I look for (as
far as things that could be wrong?)  I'm kind of hoping that I find the oil
pickup tube in the pan...that would be a simple answer to my problems...

I figure that once I actually get my a*s in gear and get the pan off,
someone will have responded...
- -------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Ammons Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
MIS Major - UT Austin b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
2903 Breeze Terrace http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
Austin, TX 78722 Home : (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
1984 Oldsmobile (713) 776-2110 (Houston)
Delta 88 Pager: (512) 483-8056
  4-door (713) 318-5938
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:11:29 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Olds : Running rough Agin'

>
>
>
> I have hooked the vacuum advance line to the Edlebrock carb
> The car actually runs better with the vaccum advance disconnected.
> Any ideas on that one



When you have the vac advance hooked up, is it hooked up to ported vacuum?
never conect it to manifold vacuum.

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:15:43 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

To all,
Meant to sent that post reply to Ray privately, momma's running the vacuum
sweeper in my ear and etc. If you don't buy that, how then how about
stupidity. Sorry.
Lou

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:15:48 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Gas

At 01:52 PM 10/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> Hawaii last March on vacation regular gas was $2.00 a gallon,
>> sure would'nt want to fill up the 442 there.
>
>Yeah, but it's one hell of a drive home!  :)


hope he has some aquatreads.

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:18:31 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Prices

At 01:00 AM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Upstate SC, I found Regular @ $0.78/gal and Premium (92 octane) @
>$0.97/gal. Not so worried about bad milage right now.:-)


92 octane is about 1.33 here in WA state.
The worst i'ne seen was in NY state on the highway.
Those "Rest Stop"stations 50 miles between exits
$2.50 a gallon :(

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:46:10 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas Prices

In a message dated 10/3/98 5:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bob149@efortress.com writes:

<< Upstate SC, I found Regular @ $0.78/gal and Premium (92 octane) @
>$0.97/gal. Not so worried about bad milage right now.:-) >>
hey, what part of Upstate SC?  i live in spartanburg.  what kinda car(S) do
you have?
jeremy
'67 442 hardtop
'67 442 convertible
'78 Cutlass Supreme
'97 LSS

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:48:44 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Timing Chain

Listmembers,

I think the engine we used in Grace when she was a Street Stock had been a
victim of an errant timing chain at one time or another.  The engine was out
of a 69 Cutlass with a 350 and a 3-speed, lo-comp 2 barrel variety.  There
were small "dings" in the tops of the pistons I found after cleaning the
carbon off of them.  The timing chain had been replaced, but being a manual
tranny equipped car, it could have been over-revved and done the damage, too.
I decided to play it safe and didn't use the heads off that engine, found a
decent pair of 6's and dropped them on.  Ran great, and someday this engine
might see a new home in the Starfire GT, when I get a good OD manual
tranny.....

In short, I think they can even with the dished pistons.  They won't hit as
much, but it's possible.

Take Care all,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:53:14 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Prices

Bob,
Taking two Pro Stocks to Pomona, Okla turnpike, mine in semi, other on
trailer behind. Blew tire on trailer, rest stop wanted about 50.00 for BS
worn tire. unhooked trailer, drove 15 miles, bought 4 (four) damn near new
tires at local tire shop for 74.00. (Olds content) do not take your Olds to
a rest stop station. Don't even get a kiss! Always like a kiss before
getting f*****!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Gas Prices
> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 9:18 AM
>
> At 01:00 AM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Upstate SC, I found Regular @ $0.78/gal and Premium (92 octane) @
> >$0.97/gal. Not so worried about bad milage right now.:-)
>
>
> 92 octane is about 1.33 here in WA state.
> The worst i'ne seen was in NY state on the highway.
> Those "Rest Stop"stations 50 miles between exits
> $2.50 a gallon :(

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:00:21 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: thinking caps, please.

So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of money.
The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a lot)
cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
Jawja.  Peter.

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:10:24 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: doing the HEI thing

  Well I am finally going to do the HEI conversion.
My point distributor cam is so worn it is barely opening the points :(

Anyway, has anyone used the HEI coil kit that summit racing sells?

47,000 volt coil
coil cover and and screw set for $36

Also, I know this has been gone over a 1000 times but I wasn't
listening at the time because i had points (bad Bob). is a plug
gap of .045 OK?

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:21:01 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

At 06:00 PM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
>wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
>called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
>way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of money.
>The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
>well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a lot)
>cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
>Jawja.  Peter.

Are you sure it isn't up to the trip? I've seen some real wrecks that could
do a 1000 miles if kept on back roads and wern't pushed.
Have you checked renting the truck and trailer frome seperate companies?
I did that once and got a good deal. the truck company (Ryder) didn't know
I would be pulling a car, and the trailer company (u-haul) really didn't care
because I wasn't renting one of there trucks.

But I'm cheap :)
last time I went somewere and needed to rent a car, I went to U-haul and
rented a 19.95 a day truck

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 00:41:13 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: Re: Gas

>> Hawaii last March on vacation regular gas was $2.00 a gallon,
>> sure would'nt want to fill up the 442 there.
>
>Yeah, but it's one hell of a drive home!  :)
>
Well dont come driving to Norway then we have the higest gas prices i the
northern europa
"only" $4.50 a gallon

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:52:34 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: non-olds..

Speaking of the $19.95 uhaul pickup....Does anyone know if on a 1998 GMC
1500 pickup, the speedo cable attaches to the differential, or to the
tranny, or where?  Any help is very much appreciated...

art

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:51:03 EDT
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas

gas here in the akron, ohio area is now about $0.95 for unleaded and $1.03 for
super.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convetible

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:15:10 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  non-olds..

Art,
Plannin' on scammin' a few extra miles?

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:16:31 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass mirror removal

In a message dated 98-10-02 22:18:04 EDT, you write:

<< These are not riveted, they are allen head screws, they go into the door
and when loosened the mirror moves over about 1/2 inch and pull out. the
holes
are slotted in the door. >>

Ah yes but don't forget that you have to turn them clockwise to loosen. ( you
are actually looking at the bottom of screw so truning clockwise is actually
rotating
screw counterclockwise if viewed from inside door looking up at head of screw.

R.Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:26:43 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Larry Simpson Contact Info Needed!

Does anyone know what Larry Simpson's (Owner of an 88 Hurst, as well as
contributor to the FAQ) E-Mail address is?

I'd like to get his personal clearence to use the Photo displayed on the
Hurst Olds Club's Web Page.  If this happens, It will be on display at
the G-Body Organization Homepage, in the Hurst Column of course..
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:26:55 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Gas

Trondjarle,
Hope I have the name spelled correctly. Pedersen is easy, have several
buddies named Pedersen.  I thought Illinois, USA was high. Wow!  I will not
be pinning for the fiord"s in the near future. Good to hear from our
kinfolk. You have an Olds, what kind?  How can you afford to drive it!  Not
personal,  Reference sake only. Stay in touch, save my address please!
Would like to stay in touch.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
Belleville, IL. ( by Mississippi river, St. Louis area
- ----------
> From: TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN <trondped@c2i.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Gas
> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:41 PM
>
> >> Hawaii last March on vacation regular gas was $2.00 a gallon,
> >> sure would'nt want to fill up the 442 there.
> >
> >Yeah, but it's one hell of a drive home!  :)
> >
>  Well dont come driving to Norway then we have the higest gas prices i
the northern europa
> "only" $4.50 a gallon

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:28:32 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: G-body owners...

The month long aniticipated Car Craft, November came today.  Has a decent
G-body section, especially for suspension upgrades.  Buy it!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:48:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: non-olds..

i imagine that speedo cable attaches to the tranny like every other
one...Nathyn

On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Arthur Hoffman wrote:

> Speaking of the $19.95 uhaul pickup....Does anyone know if on a 1998 GMC
> 1500 pickup, the speedo cable attaches to the differential, or to the
> tranny, or where?  Any help is very much appreciated...
>
> art
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:47:25 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: Gas

>You have an Olds, what kind?  How can you afford to drive it!  Not
>personal,  Reference sake only.

Yes I have a 69 f85 (455. c-heads. 270H comp.cam 650d.p holly, headers,
supertrappmufflers th400w/man shift, 12boltC w/3,32, diskbrakes.) She was a
plain jane when i started on her (350/350 drums all around and NO power) I`m
almost done with her ;-) but I unfortunantly has put here away for the winter
(pictures up soon tough) this summer she ran almost 5000kilometers whit out
manny problems. she even was by the russian border.
I dont mesure miles pr gallon I mesure the funn I have with her pr gallon
my daily driver id a 88 che*y picup whit a 6,2litre diesel
(used to be 80 cutlass w/455 but she crashed and burned )
by the way wisit this url: http://www.amcar.no/summary/index.html

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:14:27 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Gauges

Put the Auto Meter temperature gauge in the 72 442 with 350 today. Only ran a
few miles since oil pressure light comes on at low idle when braking after 10
miles. Temperature never went over 180 usually in 165 range. If the gauge is
accurate this is fine, but how can you check accuracy of these units? Or are
they very reliable and shouldn't even be concerned? After a 3 mile drive some
coolant came out the overflow even though temp was 180. I assume it's just a
bad cap, but should I check anything else. Have only had the car a couple
months and have only put about 100 miles on it so far.

Also couldn't put the oil pressure gauge in since the wider sending unit won't
fit. Looks like I need an extension of 1-2" added to bottom of sending unit.
Anyone else run into this problem. If so where did you get the extension? Both
are the electrical variety.

Thanks,

Dick Compton
72 442 convertible

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:20:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gauges

- ---RAC5419@aol.com wrote:
Also couldn't put the oil pressure gauge in since the wider sending
unit won't
> fit. Looks like I need an extension of 1-2" added to bottom of
sending unit.
> Anyone else run into this problem. If so where did you get the
extension? Both
> are the electrical variety.


- -----I used a brass extension from the auto parts store....I also
quite frequently get this type of stuff from Home Depot....but yeah, I
had the same problem....
==
John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:24:32 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

Thanks, Bob.  The seller says the car has a bad wheel bearing and bad tires.
He was proud to announce to me that he had managed to find a set of new bias
ply tires with only a little bit of dry rot.  The rental, if that's how I
have to go, is one way.  They charge extra for that.  You've seen the truck.
It says "rent me.  Only $19.95 a day".  I often feel compelled to rip the
skin off the truck box.  A transporter quoted me $600.00 to bring me the
car, but they can't bring me all the spares.  Keep thinking.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.


>At 06:00 PM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
>>wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
>>called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
>>way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of
money.
>>The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
>>well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a
lot)
>>cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
>>Jawja.  Peter.
>
>Are you sure it isn't up to the trip? I've seen some real wrecks that could
>do a 1000 miles if kept on back roads and wern't pushed.
>Have you checked renting the truck and trailer frome seperate companies?
>I did that once and got a good deal. the truck company (Ryder) didn't know
>I would be pulling a car, and the trailer company (u-haul) really didn't
care
>because I wasn't renting one of there trucks.
>
>But I'm cheap :)
>last time I went somewere and needed to rent a car, I went to U-haul and
>rented a 19.95 a day truck
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:35:05 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Timing Chain

I had (still have) a 307 in a '81 Delta.  When my dad bought the car in '92
for $800 CAN., the timing chain was already stretched.  He kept setting the
timing every 3-6 months, then when I got it I kept doing it.  After over
65,000 miles of constantly setting the timing (6 yrs. in total, driving the
car for about 3 yrs.) the motor finally called it quits.  Since, I dropped
the 455 in, and have started to disassemble the 307.  The chain was in one
peace, but the cam gear teeth where not there anymore.  It seems they
striped right off.  The motor ran perfect when the chain slipped off and had
more then 200,000 miles.  If I were you (and me a few yr.. ago), I would
just change the chain and gears and get a DBL. roller chain.  It does not
cost much and will prevent premature failure in your motor.  As far as
valves go, I pulled one head off, no sign of valve hitting the pistons.  I
don't know about the other head, but I assume it would be the same.  Igor.


Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
To: 'Olds List' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 1:07 PM
Subject: Timing Chain


>I'm sitting here watching Shadetree Mechanic (no Cutlass this time...) and
they're talking about
>breaking timing belts/chains.
>
>I've heard that the Olds V8 timing chains get loose over time or break.
Would the pistons hit the
>valves if the timing chain did break?  And, if I had a super loose timing
chain, would that be
>contributing to my pinging problem?  I've got 93k miles on it, so I figured
that the timing chain
>might be playing a factor now, no?
>
>Thanks, Oldsheads.
>
>Jason Adcock
>Blacksburg, VA
>E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
>Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org
>
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:30:19 -0700
From: "WI02 Rutschmann Brandon M. AO2" <BRutschm@vinson.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: Gauges

I have Auo meter gauges installed on my 71 350.  The gauges are very
accurate and I think you are right about your radiator cap.  I have
the same oil pressure gauge and I got the extension at my local
hardware store.  It is a 3" copper extension with male threads on both
ends and I got a coupler to mate the extension to the sender.  A
little teflon tape and it has run leak free for 30,000 miles.  Do you
have a stock RPM gauge?  If not, you might want to consider a Auto
meter 3 ¾" Rpm gauge right in the bezel hole where the stock clock is.
I have both the Speedo and the RPM and it looks good.
Brandon
71 Cutlass Supreme

- -----Original Message-----
From: RAC5419@aol.com [SMTP:RAC5419@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 1998 5:14 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Gauges

Put the Auto Meter temperature gauge in the 72 442 with 350 today.
Only ran a
few miles since oil pressure light comes on at low idle when braking
after 10
miles. Temperature never went over 180 usually in 165 range. If the
gauge is
accurate this is fine, but how can you check accuracy of these units?
Or are
they very reliable and shouldn't even be concerned? After a 3 mile
drive some
coolant came out the overflow even though temp was 180. I assume it's
just a
bad cap, but should I check anything else. Have only had the car a
couple
months and have only put about 100 miles on it so far.

Also couldn't put the oil pressure gauge in since the wider sending
unit won't
fit. Looks like I need an extension of 1-2" added to bottom of sending
unit.
Anyone else run into this problem. If so where did you get the
extension? Both
are the electrical variety.

Thanks,

Dick Compton
72 442 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:40:24 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: ENGINE STUFF

I assume that you will pull the motor out to do this.  As for your problem,
I assume that you probably have low oil pressure.  I would use silicon for
the valve covers.  Used fel-pro valve cover gaskets for my 455, one leaked
(my fault).  I used blue-silicon instead, worked great.  Had to pop the
valve-covers two times in 1 week of new engine.  Both times, I used silicon,
no problems.  If you pull the motor, while it is out, change the main
gaskets, change the oil-pump (cheap) and change the timing chain and gears.
Igor.


Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 2:57 PM
Subject: ENGINE STUFF


>OK, so...I'm about to start working on my 1984 307...I am going to replace
>the valve cover gaskets and oil pan gasket (both definately Felpro, but are
>they cork-blend?  I know they're not just cork, though, because I didn't
>buy just cork), as well as little dinky stuff (like cleaning engine with
>Gunk, replace all fluids, etc...).  Was kind of thinking about taking the
>heads off (ring job) but then I thought I wouldn't...and I won't.  This
>would involve taking the intake manifold off, yes?
>
>Anyway, since I'm going to have the oil pan off, what should I look for (as
>far as things that could be wrong?)  I'm kind of hoping that I find the oil
>pickup tube in the pan...that would be a simple answer to my problems...
>
>I figure that once I actually get my a*s in gear and get the pan off,
>someone will have responded...
>-------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Ammons Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
> MIS Major - UT Austin b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
> 2903 Breeze Terrace http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
> Austin, TX 78722 Home : (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
> 1984 Oldsmobile (713) 776-2110 (Houston)
> Delta 88 Pager: (512) 483-8056
>   4-door (713) 318-5938
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:42:28 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

Peter,
Moms 84 years old, take her shopping, drove there today, followed a 19.95
truck for about 7 miles. Lady driving, no discrimination here, she could
not drive it at all. I know they fly fighter jets, but bad pool players, no
side vision. But, 19.95, heck of a deal. I'll get flamed here for sure
Lou

- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
..  Only $19.95 a day".

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:49:05 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Gauges

The Auto Meter units are checked at the factory for their accuracy, so the
unit's should be working fine. They are usually never the problem. The
sending unit extension usually can be bought at an Ace Hardware, NAPA or
some race auto parts center.

Once you install the oil pressure gauge find out what the pressure is at
idle(cold), driving(hot), and idle(hot). E-Mail the results here and also
state what weight oil you are using. Remember, drive the car for OVER 12
miles so you can get an accurate oil pressure reading. The oil pressure
should be at 30-40 pounds at COLD idle. Driving it should be at 40 pounds
HOT. At idle it should be 15 pounds HOT. These are round-about figures. Let
us know how it works out.....



Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: RAC5419@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Gauges
> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 7:14 PM
>
> Put the Auto Meter temperature gauge in the 72 442 with 350 today. Only
ran a
> few miles since oil pressure light comes on at low idle when braking
after 10
> miles. Temperature never went over 180 usually in 165 range. If the gauge
is
> accurate this is fine, but how can you check accuracy of these units? Or
are
> they very reliable and shouldn't even be concerned? After a 3 mile drive
some
> coolant came out the overflow even though temp was 180. I assume it's
just a
> bad cap, but should I check anything else. Have only had the car a couple
> months and have only put about 100 miles on it so far.
>
> Also couldn't put the oil pressure gauge in since the wider sending unit
won't
> fit. Looks like I need an extension of 1-2" added to bottom of sending
unit.
> Anyone else run into this problem. If so where did you get the extension?
Both
> are the electrical variety.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Compton
> 72 442 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:30:36 EDT
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas

Might be helpful to list the amount of gasoline tax along with the price,
since gas taxes vary greatly by state.  Also, whether or not oxygenated or
other "low emissions fuels" are required in your area.

Hays, Kansas:

Regular Unleaded (87 Octane) 0.97/gallon
Mid-Grade (89 Octane) 0.99/gallon
Unleaded Premium (92 Octane) 1.02/gallon

All real gasoline, no additives requried (although most mid-grades do use 10%
ethanol to boost octane)

KS State Tax .18/gal, Federal Tax .184/gal, total governmental gouge =
.364/gallon.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:44:28 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 260 Heads on a 307

I was just wondering.  Since the 260 heads have a smaller Comb. Chamber,
could I not put them on my 307 to bump CR. (propane fires, so I really wan't
more CR).  I know that 260 valves are smaller, but could the 307 valves be
cut into the 260 heads.  I have the 5A heads, so I could get the valves from
there.  If this can be done, is there any other limitations of the 260 head.
I am looking for a 1200-4500 RPM powerband.  How much CR could I get if I
wen't this way.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:48:09 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Fail

It turened out to be a shot heater-hose clamp.  Change the clamp (50 cents),
and she ran beautiful. Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)


- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Water Pump Fail


>My best time for a water pump change is about 1:45.  This was in a
>thrigft store parking lot in Truth or Cosequences, NM.  I've changed the
>damn thing so many times, I think I could do it in about five minutes
>now.
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>-
>On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0400 Jerry Christopher
><ithefunki@cchat.com> writes:
>>Dave Cullen wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure sounds like water pump to me. Just did one on my 307.  $35
>>> A 4- beer job.
>>
>>I can say the hardest part was getting the damn belts outta the way...
>>
>>$35, and a 6-Beer for me  (Took me about 4 hours total, but I cheated,
>>I
>>was three in before trying)
>>
>>--
>>                - Jerry Christopher -
>>IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
>>       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:48:42 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: non-olds..

absolutely

JJP442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Art,
> Plannin' on scammin' a few extra miles?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 21:51:57 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: non-olds..

BUt really, it's for a good cause, driving from Northern NJ up to
Hartford, CT to pick up the GM NOS repro 1/4 panel for my 67
Cutlass....it cost me an arm and a leg already...

Arthur Hoffman wrote:
>
> absolutely
>
> JJP442@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Art,
> > Plannin' on scammin' a few extra miles?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:07:03 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Needed:  Cutlass Supreme/Salon Logo Pics

I've got the Hurst Logos, although not the Logos I wanted (Ones on Doors
of 83/84 Hurst) and the 442 logo (working on 442.Com's recognition),
Also found a pretty good Cutlass GT logo...

But I am stuck, I need Cutlass Supreme, and Cutlass Salon scripted
logos...  <G>  Anyone know where to get PICS?  On the net maybe?

Welcome to my creation...

heh heh..

Unfortunately, right now, the Olds section of G-Body.Org is a "rehash"
of the FAQ...


Not to say that's BAD!!

I got started, and all the ideas I had, or wanted to do were already in
the FAQ...  So...  If noone objects, I have given credit where it's due,
and used the 78-88 FAQ info for right now, until I get things rolling,
and I am 100% runnin'!!!
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

It's been quite a few years, but when I rented a Ryder van to move from
Memphis to Shreveport, it was nothing like $700 (closer to $150 for 3 days).
And it was the largest van they had.

Are you sure about this price? You could probably make the trip form SA to
Atlanta in one hard day, two with no problem. Maybe you need to tell them
you're moving and need to haul your car. If they're getting that much, maybe
we all ought to get into the moving van rental business.

By the way, I towed a similar car with a rented trailer and my half ton
pick-up one time. It was loaded but handled it o.k. (Don't ask about gas
mileage, though).



At 06:00 PM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
>wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
>called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
>way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of money.
>The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
>well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a lot)
>cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
>Jawja.  Peter.
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:25:47 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 69 Cutlass

Howdy list members

I bought a 69 cutlass today.  I will be parting the car out.  If there is
anything you are in need of please feel free to cantact me privately.
The Car has a very decent running 350 4bbl.  Good Disc brakes, Buckets and
console, Grills are very good, so are the headlight doors.  No decent
options.  Car has black interior, Blue exterior, Black vinyl roof.  It also
has Monty Carlo rims (for what they are worth)
If anyone is interested in the complete car, It does run and drive ok.  No
holes in body or trunk, but the bubbles of rust are evident.  $700 for the
whole thing.

Please E me Privately

Thanks

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
1970 442 Convertible  (PARTING OUT)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:15:00 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Wanna get another Q-jet

    Hey Everybody,

    I'm interested in obtaining Q-jet #7041250 (1971 Cutlass 350).  I'm
not interested in any other number.  The Holley's been fun; it's time to
play with another carb.   I'm NOT looking to pay a premium, so I'm more
than willing to take a unit that needs rebuilding and/or is incomplete.
Please, note the following conditions:

1.  The air horn, main body, and throttle body must be matching parts
(originally from the same
     carb), have no cracks or warpage, and be in generally good shape.
2.  The throttle blades and shafts must be in place and in good shape.
3.  The brass tubes on the underside of the air horn must not be broken,
bent, or altered.
4.  I'm not interested in any unit that's been machined, drilled, or
otherwise permanently altered.

    I'd also prefer that the jets, rods, power piston with spring, and
float be correct and original.  I'll accept a carb that's missing some
external linkages, choke pull-off, dashpot, even the entire choke unit.
The carb doesn't need to be pretty, just in decent shape.  Winter's
coming and I need something to do inside, so I don't mind cleaning it
up.  I'm located in Washington D.C.  I am willing to pay shipping from
other continental U.S. locations.  E-mail me privately if you have a
carb and provide your asking price when you do.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:35:35 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass GT?

Sorry, this might be a dumb question, but I've never seen or heard of a
Cutlass GT before.  I just saw the logo on Jerry's G-body.org page.  Can
anyone email me a picture of one?

Thanks,
Joe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:47:15 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass

Bob-
May have interest in the grilles from that '69. Also need a nice top plate for
the console.
Peter Sliskovich
CoupeKing@aol.com
San pedro, CA

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:51:52 -0400
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

You can probably truck it. One of my buddies moved his car from Florida to
Portland OR for ( I think!) $700. Good luck.


============================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.


>At 06:00 PM 10/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
>>wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
>>called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
>>way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of
money.
>>The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
>>well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a
lot)
>>cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
>>Jawja.  Peter.
>
>Are you sure it isn't up to the trip? I've seen some real wrecks that could
>do a 1000 miles if kept on back roads and wern't pushed.
>Have you checked renting the truck and trailer frome seperate companies?
>I did that once and got a good deal. the truck company (Ryder) didn't know
>I would be pulling a car, and the trailer company (u-haul) really didn't
care
>because I wasn't renting one of there trucks.
>
>But I'm cheap :)
>last time I went somewere and needed to rent a car, I went to U-haul and
>rented a 19.95 a day truck
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 22:57:43 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass GT?

JCRASH7@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sorry, this might be a dumb question, but I've never seen or heard of a
> Cutlass GT before.  I just saw the logo on Jerry's G-body.org page.  Can
> anyone email me a picture of one?

Working on it...  heh

If you get one in E-Mail, e-it to me too.

I know they exist, and are dealer sold cars...  so there;s gotta be one
out there somewhere, and some info, somwhere...

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:59:08 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass GT?

In a message dated 98-10-03 22:57:35 EDT, you write:

<<  Sorry, this might be a dumb question, but I've never seen or heard of a
> Cutlass GT before.  I just saw the logo on Jerry's G-body.org page.  Can
> anyone email me a picture of one? >>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:00:24 -0400
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: To V.D.: Yarde Update: 1969 98

Thanks ... I'll be waiting to hear from you

==============================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 12:05 PM
Subject: To V.D.: Yarde Update: 1969 98


>In a message dated 98-10-03 09:29:52 EDT, you write:
>
><< Great news!!! Need : trunk lid, fenders, hubcaps(I lost one!!!),
dashboard
>stuff, seats,instrument cluster(maybe), steering column(only tilt),steering
>wheel, power windows switches. More, but can not think right now. Would
they
>sell the whole car, if it is worth it??? I live in South Florida, so
>shipping/transportation costs are a factor.Thanks for your help. Hope I can
>return the favor someday
> '69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba >>
>
>The vehicle was surrounded by significant growth, but as it was a decent
>example of a car from an era that I love, I beat back the briars and
climbed
>behind the wheel.
>
>So the seats are useable.
>
>I have a photo somewhere. One of many from that trip that I ~really~ gotta
>scan!
>
>(problems recalling which car was what year..)
>
>Ah.
>
>This pic brings new meaning to "overgrowth".
>It is a white 4dr with vinyl top (roof prolly real rusty under there now).
>Pic is from front but I think the trunk was OK....
>Seats/dash slichtly cluttered, but I recall good cond.
>
>(Hubcaps you can prolly get at a good swapmeet or at the TX Olds Nats....)
>
>In pic, hood is slightly open (prolly just not closed properly & engine
might
>be gone - cannot remember), but I do not recall any collision damage and
pic
>shows good panels. OTOH with that kinda overgrowth, bottoms of all panels
tend
>to stay in contact with wet grasses.......
>
>Purchase/Shipping.
>
>This is something I have though about.
>I had a potential parts car, a Jetstar 88, in Avenal, CA. That I fretted
much
>over before giving up on the epedition.
>
>I have recently heard of another potential parts car in the Denver area.
>
>Better for me for distance, but Transportation still a problem.
>
>I have considered several possibilities for the Avenal car. Fly there and
rent
>the equipment to bring it back. Bus out there (2 boring days on the bus!)
then
>(one way?) rentals and 3+ days driving back.
>Incidentally, I figured that a ~full~ car trailer is better that the
trailer
>that carries only the front wheels as you proll do not wanna waste time
>checking rear axle for fluid and bearings and..... Well, it eliminates a
lot
>of variables, and other people agreee better for long hauls.
>
>This place has so many cars that I can just imagine what the telephone
>coversation might be like...
>(When first arrived there, the "lady of the house" answered the door with a
>bat.
>
>But the Owner's father is pleasant to deal with.
>Owner is in jail for... well having too many cars in the yarde....
>
>I will return there next spring, and could help make arrangements then.
>
>If I cannot have pic scanned soon, will have a copy sent to you.
>
>K
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:02:19 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Cutlass GT?

On Saturday, October 03, 1998 10:58 PM, Jerry Christopher
[SMTP:ithefunki@cchat.com] wrote:
>
> I know they exist, and are dealer sold cars...  so there;s gotta be one
> out there somewhere, and some info, somwhere...


Yes, there were 400 made, I think from the factory.  Basically, it was like a
modern W-29 option
(although there was no W-code for the GT option, to my knowledge).  I've seen
two of them in
person.  Very sharp-looking cars if they've been taken care of.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:01:10 EDT
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass GT?

In a message dated 98-10-03 22:57:35 EDT, you write:

<<  Sorry, this might be a dumb question, but I've never seen or heard of a
> Cutlass GT before.  I just saw the logo on Jerry's G-body.org page.  Can
> anyone email me a picture of one? >>

Sorry, first one left without my comment... Not a dumb question. When I bought
my 87 Ciera Brougham the dealer had a Cutlass Ciera GT in the showroom. Looked
real good for FWD.

Dick Compton

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:03:34 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: non-olds..

Art,

If you want to save some $$$ why not have the quarter panel shipped to you.
I had a front and rear bumper for a 70 Cutlass FedEx'ed to me in PA. It only
cost $52.00. You would be in the same shipping zone as me and I can't see
the 1/4 panel weighing any more than the 2 bumpers.

Just a thought,
Randy


>BUt really, it's for a good cause, driving from Northern NJ up to
>Hartford, CT to pick up the GM NOS repro 1/4 panel for my 67
>Cutlass....it cost me an arm and a leg already...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:35:08 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: 307 Oil pan gasket

Brian,
You do know that you have to lift the engine to change the oil pan
gasket, yes?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:37:26 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: vacuum advance/69 running rough

I hook myy advance to the secondary vacuum port on the carb.  It acts
like a high-speed stall converter, but for free!  kinda, sorta, but do
you see what I'm gettting at?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:06:12 -0700
From: Mr Ada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 Convertible

Bruce Camilli submitted:

> Found this in the recycler, called the guy and talked to him a little.
Turns out he is 3rd owner, his father was second, their friend was
first. According to him the car was repainted red, it is all original
and has always been garaged. It needs new rubber and stuff but he says
the body is real straight and all the parts is there.
>
>     "68 Oldsmobile 442 convertible, muscle car, 400 Turbo, all
>      original, auto, good condition, red /blk, white top, runs
perfect,
>      $4500 or best offer (805) 285-8010"

First off I want to thank Bruce for giving us this lead for the car.
Today a
friend and I took off to Palmdale to see this 68 442 convertible.  I
want to
say that even though people think I want to own all of the 68 442s every
made
:-), I passed on this vehicle because it wasn't worth the $4,500 that is
being
asked for this vehicle.  Here is a breakdown:

1) The paint job was a cheap-asp paint job.  It looked as if a novice
took a
   spray can and went at it.  Bondo is bubbling up from under the paint
job in
   several areas, especially in the fender regions and along the back
part of
   the convertible top area.  There is rust coming through the fenders.
   It is my opinion that a lot of bondo was used and the car was
repainted to
   hide this fact.  The color chosen, Red, on the outside and the Ocean
   Turquoise Iridescent peeking through in a few spots remind me of a
color
   blind test!  Really a terrible paint job.

2) The car was missing a few things too:
   a) An eyebrow on the driver's side
   b) no chrome tips
   c) no grille emblem
   d) missing head lamp frame
   e) missing front driver's side marker
   f) missing knob for wipers
   g) no boot for top
   h) bumper rubbers are missing
   i) radiator shroud is missing
   j) one wiper blade is missing

3) The car had wrong replacement parts such as:
   a) A wrong antenna.  Looks like a Chief Auto special
   b) Wrong hubcaps.  Looks like the one on my 82 DRB.  Spoke hubcaps
   c) Wrong exhaust.  Cutlass style tail pipes
   d) Front grille has a hole drilled in it.  Don't know what that was
for
   e) Has a 350 Rocket engine, not the 400.  6 heads
   f) After market radio.  Not even a good one.  No knobs.  Maybe a tape

      player (I don't remember)
   g) Wrong steering wheel.  Probably one you could get from Pep Boys.
It
      looked to modern for the car
   h) I am not sure if it had an original tranny.  I didn't get under
the car
      to check the pan
   i) The car was originally turquoise (verified - code K) with a black
      interior (verified - 940), and a white top (verified - code 1).
      He had the white top installed two years ago
   j) Driver's mirror looks like a Ford Lincoln mirror

4) Maintenance/to be repaired problems are:
   a) The other eyebrow is damaged and needs replacement
   b) Door panels and side panels need redoing, warped
   c) All chrome needs cleaning, red paint all over
   d) The bumpers are pitted and need rechroming
   e) Lines to top motors need replacing, leaking
   f) Tires look like retreads and are worn
   g) Sounds like the alternator's bearings are worn
   h) All Weatherstripping should be replaced
   i) Condition of interior vinyl was worn, not torn yet
   j) Driver's tail lens had chrome bordering missing on one of the
      two areas.
   k) Driver's side rear marker was broken

5) Right things:
   a) Vin number was correct for car being presented
   b) Interior matched the Fischer tag.  The Fischer tag had a cutlass
      identification not the 442
   c) The paint code was K-1. (all verifiable)

This man claimed that he was into it for $3.700 and was offered $4,000
for it
from a person named Jack in Illinois/Indiana?  I told him that if anyone
was
going to offer him $4,000 given what I pointed out above, he should go
for it.
I believe this car is in a "Restorable" state and not a "Good" state.  I

thought it was worth no more than the $2,100 spelled in the Catalog of
Oldsmobile.

To top things off, his helpful neighbor filled his head with grandeur
(sp?)
about this vehicle.  He neighbor probably has never ridden in an
Oldsmobile.
Quick get the guns, Pa! :-)

Thanks and have a good evening


Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:30:55 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass GT?

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Yes, there were 400 made, I think from the factory.  Basically, it was like a
modern W-29 > option (although there was no W-code for the GT option, to my
knowledge).  I've seen two > of them in person.  Very sharp-looking cars if
they've been taken care of.

Aren't they the special ones from Lauren Engineering?

Anyone know any kinda specs on what they had in 'em?

Are they 88, or 87?

(I-N-P-U-T, yummy)
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                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:29:08 -0400
From: Bill & Beth <dickinson@skow.net>
Subject: W-Machine Registry

Hey Jim how's the W-Machine Registry coming along?
Have any stats yet.

Bill

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:34:57 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: non-olds..

Thought of that...one cannot underestimate the size of a 1/4
panel....would have to be drop shipped....a couple hundred bucks at
least.  THanks for the suggestion though

RANDY A GEISEL wrote:
>
> Art,
>
> If you want to save some $$$ why not have the quarter panel shipped to you.
> I had a front and rear bumper for a 70 Cutlass FedEx'ed to me in PA. It only
> cost $52.00. You would be in the same shipping zone as me and I can't see
> the 1/4 panel weighing any more than the 2 bumpers.
>
> Just a thought,
> Randy
>
> >BUt really, it's for a good cause, driving from Northern NJ up to
> >Hartford, CT to pick up the GM NOS repro 1/4 panel for my 67
> >Cutlass....it cost me an arm and a leg already...

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:50:17 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: add another to the fleet...

Ok... ok ok ok   you got all that for $150???  what is the catch??  I mean
there HAS to be a catch somewhere!!!  if not, then ummm...  they have any
others????  I am jealous!!!!  I need to feed my addiction!!!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 1:23 PM
Subject: add another to the fleet...


>Hello...
>
>My name is Clayton... I'm an Oldsmoholic...
>
>Well... you knew I'd eventually do it...
>
>Yep... I bought another Oldsmobile...
>
>Couldn't pass this'n up... it was just callin' to me ;-)
>Late last night I paid $150 for a 1979 Cutlass Supreme... 260, 2bbl, prob.

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:50:57 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Cutlass GT?

On Saturday, October 03, 1998 11:31 PM, Jerry Christopher
[SMTP:ithefunki@cchat.com] wrote:
>
> Aren't they the special ones from Lauren Engineering?

Possibly, but I'm not sure.  They didn't have any body cladding, just GT
stickers.

> Anyone know any kinda specs on what they had in 'em?

Plain-jane 307 with 7.5" rear axle.  The GT was strictly an appearance package.

> Are they 88, or 87?

1988 only.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 00:00:50 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: G-Body.Org Unleashes the Rockets of War, and seems to blow the
Competition away.

I have played around all night with the Olds section of the deal, and
have FINALLY got the Hurst Page done...  (whew)

After finishing, I figured it was time to check out the rest of the
sides and see their accomplishments...  Not only did we kick butt...

We kick butt and look good too.  Stop on in, take a look, tell me what
you think....

Next up: 442 or Cutlass GT
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                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:59:42 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: HELP!!

Hey List, Does anyone live near Cleveland Tenn? I send a fellow some $ a
while back for parts and he is really dragging his feet. Everything seemed
fine at first but about a month ago he told me the parts would be send
Mon.AM. Well 2or 3 weeks later and several "answering machine messages"
later I finally get a call saying he has to go out of town and will call me
when he returns. No call,and his answering machine beep is long!!Like no one
has been there for awhile. I don't want to disclose a name yet in case
something terrible has happened to this guy. One more thing, about 2 weeks
ago his ad posted again on BRYCESMAN'S page. Seemed kinda strange?? Anybody
have any suggestions?? As usual, THANKS, Jack

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Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 23:28:21 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: My Cutlasss hates me (very very ong)

It isn't very often that I get on here with long stories, but tonight I
have to air some frustration. When I first bought my '70 Supreme two
years ago and started to work on it, everything went fairly well for me.
The front end tore apart and went back together with no real problems.
The new tires I bought for it actually lasted longer than a week. (All
my high school cars ate tires faster than gas). I pulled the TH-350 out
and had it rebuilt, performed flawlessly. Even when my car died last
Decemeber (timing chain skipped from unbelievable slack) it waited till
I was pulling in the driveway and didn't leave me stranded. When I
started the motor project last March, the car has not cut me a break
yet. I decided to rebuild the original 350, because it was a '70 model
F2 block w/#6 heads and a nodular crank. I knew it didn't get much
better than that. I spared no expense in this motor. I had everything
magnafluxed, shot-peened, and nitrided. All new ARP fasteners
throughout. Forged pistons, moly rings, Federal-Mogul bearing (which by
the way Summit carries and are much better than Clevite 77), Comp Cams
fully adjustable valvetrain. New sheetmetal, all new head hardware,
including hardened exhaust seats and removing the A.I.R. bosses from the
exhaust side. I even had the entire rotating assembly balanced. All in
all, about $3000 the first go around. Got the motor all put together,
cleaner than a whistle and it fired up almost immediatly. It sounded
really good, for about 3 minutes when an exhaust valve on the #3
cylinder hung and smacked the piston. I tore the head off, had it fixed,
measured the cam and piston and decided that I must have had the valves
too tight and when the lifter finally was able to pump up, it left the
valve hung open. It cost about $150 to have the head redone, because the
machinist wanted to redo the 3-angle valve job on all the valves so that
they were even. Got it back together and fired it up, again it fired
almost immediatly and sounded real good for about 5 minutes when the
same valve hung and smacked the piston again. I had triple checked the
valves this time (actually left them a little loose with the feeler
gauge), so I knew this was not the problem. Pulled the head off and tore
it apart and noticed galling marks in all of the guides. I had elected
to use Mondello's oil restrictors because I knew I would see 6 grand
every once in a while. The machinist checked the cross-drilling on 2 and
4 (which came that way from the factory) and assumed the others we
cross-drilled - WRONG. In the process of not getting enough oil to the
valves, it also toasted the cam and its bearing. I just decided to pull
the restrictors out and get a deep sump oil pan. To the tune of $950
later, for oil pan, pump, pickup, all new bearings, head work, new cam
and lifters, we were finally ready to go again about 4 weeks ago. The
motor fired right up again and ran really well all through the break-in
period. The problems don't end here folks. In the first two engine
installs, I had the TH-350 in place with the original 2.56 rear-end. I
had a 3.73 8.5" posi (all new components) and a TH-2004R I was going
install after I got the motor running, so I didn't have to contend with
all three at once. Between the second and third motor install, I decided
to go ahead and swap the tranny and rearend out and get it over with.
Well to start with the rearend, I decided to replace the bushings. Big
mistake. Rendered those arms useless in a hurry. I got new ones and the
rearend went in without any real problems. Now for the transmission.
Changing a TH-350 to TH-2004R, simple, no BS, driveshaft will work fine
right? WRONG. Another $100 to replace the crappy two piece with a one
piece, have it shortened 1.5" and have it balanced. Shifter's going to
work no problem right? WRONG. had to space the bracket that holds the
pivoting arm (column shift) out about 1/2" and the transmission won't go
into 1st. There is not enough travel in the column.  Now everything is
together, it runs, it drives, are we done? NOPE. The right rear wheel is
vibrating, I'll just pull it off and have it balanced. WRONG. A wheel
stud comes loose in the flange with a lug nut still on it and I broke a
different stud. I take to my mechanic who cleverly cuts of the end of
the lug nut and drive the stud through the lug nut with a large punch
and a large hammer. Well ok, I need to get a regular wheel stud to
replace the one I broke and I need an oversized one to replace the one
that spun. I am at home putting in the regular one, just get it seated
and wham, it spins too. I had to pull the axle out and grind the head
off to get it out. I put in two oversized ones, ahh success. Let's put
the wheel on and cruise right? WRONG. Three days before all the lug
nut/wheel stud problems, I got on the motor a little bit and it ran
kinda funny, I drove it home and it seemed ok. Started the motor this
morning and guess what - are you ready? The #1 rod is knocking. Some
metal trash, most likely left over from removing the oil restrictors
(one of them had to be drilled out, because it fit so tightly) got into
the bearing and hosed it. The thing that kills me is that I am only 23
and this is the first time I have had anywhere close to enough money to
do these types of things to an A-body. I thought that for once, I can
buy all new stuff and everything will be great and way better than the
BS I put together in high school. And this is the final result.

When I get some more money, I guess I am going to go ahead and built the
455 I pulled out of a '70 Toronado some months ago. I figure I could
have the crank in the 350 turned another .010 under, have the
rod-resized and the assembly re-balaced, but I want to built a 455
eventually, so why spend more money (I have already spend $4000) on the
350 and still want a 455? The only regets I have is that I have some
small-block specific parts, like the Performer intake, and the headers
that are all new and don't even have 500 miles on them yet. I guess I am
going to part the motor out. I am pretty sure the intake, heads and
valvetrain will sell - anyone interested in short block? It has $1500 in
parts on it, and I'll sell it for $600 - less than the machine work
cost.

Thanks to those of you who have taken the time to read this. I am
frustrated, tired of spending money pointlessly, and I needed to let it
out.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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