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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 29 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1513



Re: Request
Re-post....Web page idea....
66 98 Convertibles
Re: Disc Brake Conversion
Re: Starter/Solenoid problems
Re: Speakers in a 67 Toro
Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS
Olds motor ID was: 425 in a Cadddy? was: 425 big boy
Re: ??????????????????????????????????????
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: List Cars
More on Olds Engine ID Was: 425 Cadddy, ride me big boy, the Spanish 
Inquisition
Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
Re: 425 big boy
Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
Re: 1 of 78??!!
425 Cadillac
Re: Re-post....Web page idea....
Re: Aftermarket Radio
blowby
Re: junkyard
RE: Omega Help
Re: 425 big boy
Dashboard "chrome"
Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine
Re: "one-wire" alternators
Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
seat belts
Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!
Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
Was: Re: ?????????? Sorry Lou...
Re: Starter/Solenoid problems
Re: seat belts
Re:  junkyard
Re: Everyone lists their cars
442 Dash
350 Buildup
Re: 72 Olds TH-350 4sale
Re: another fan question
Door panels
Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!
Re: 1 of 78??!!
Re: 350 Buildup
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
porting '87 olds Heads
Muncie M21 for sale - out of Chevelle or Vette
Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish Inquisition
Olds 403
GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....
Re: "The Simpsons" pick a good target
Re: Aftermarket Radio
Everyone stop listing cars
Re: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....
Re: 350 Buildup
Re: seat belts
RE: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: Everyone lists their cars...
Re: Everyone lists their cars
'Nother 69 question
Re: 'Nother 69 question
General
pondering the ignition advance.
need a digest please
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: 350 Buildup
Digest 1512 reply
Edelbrock RPM

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:31:18 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Request

Ron,
Damn shame, will write, my sincerest sympathy. Hang in there if possible.
A**holes!!!
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: RGHaun@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Request
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 8:34 AM
>
> To my Oldsmobile friends, on Sept. 16TH, 1985 my son Wayne
> was killed by John Justice trying to commit sucide by ramming
> his car at over 100 miles per hour into the rear of my son's
> car, a 1965 Mustang, waiting at a stop light. He had just
> stabbed his family to death, his mother, father and brother.
> After he has served on 13-1/2 years of his sentence he wants to get an
early
> parole. I'm asking you to write to the parole board
> telling them he should not get paroled and to serve his FULL sentence
behind
> bars and not get paroled.
> The address to wrtite to is:
> New York State Division of Parole
> 97 Central Avenue
> Albany, New York 12206
> In the letter ref the following: Din#87B0385, NYSID#5517594H
>
> Thank you
> Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com)
> Orchard Park, NY
> 71 442 W30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re-post....Web page idea....

Hi gang,
        This is attempt #2, so bear with me if you ~did~ get it...it
didn't come back to me so I'm assuming it never made the list.
       I had an idea about a new page for the list....esp. since now
we all have the info on what everyone drives :) We have alot of great
folks hereand alot of great personalities here too....has anyone ever
wanted to put a face with that?....So give me some input....We can
post a pic of the list members and the listing of their cars.....Let
me have some input ~DIRECT~ please so we don't clog the list up
again....No flames please as even though this may seem stupid to
some...it may not be to everyone....
         I know some of you won't post their mug because of being
wanted in 3 states for buying too many Olds'....but I'll keep it
private so  ~ONLY~ list folks will have access :)
             Anyways...that's my thought...What'cha think?
             Sman





==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:45:08 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: 66 98 Convertibles

My Dad bought mine 330, 000 miles ago. I've had it about 16 years now and
he's gone, so it's a very sentimental old car &  a great ride.

I redid it all nicely again about 2 years ago and it's in tip top condition.
I keep meaning to get a picture to Bryce for his site. It's all factory
except for the ported & polished heads, holley 3310 (850 cfm!), front disk
brakes and HEI. That is to say, it looks factory, but moves pretty well. Oh
and the little tweaks like vacuum door locks, factory cruise (rare!), and
other toys.

Too bad the frame flexes a bit. Black leather interior redone in the factory
pattern. The inside is better than the outside due to various hits it's
taken through the years, but it looks great due to good body & paint work.

Liked it so much I got the Starfire. So now I work on the Starfire and enjoy
the 98. Once I get the S/f done, I'll use it and redo the 98 motor which is
now about 100K old on its last rebuild about 10 years ago.

Cool old cars, these.

We're lucky to all have the same mutant Oldsmobile gene and to have the net
to allow us to learn & share. S'what it's all about.

cf

BTW -- for all you bystanders the factory color for these cars was called
"Target Red" and that's an accurate name.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Berusch [mailto:pber710840@email.msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 3:18 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: List Cars
>
>
> YES!  1966 98 topdropper in (lipstick?) red!  So, there are  two.  I call
mine Redzilla.  Great ride.  Peter.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:40:37 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Disc Brake Conversion

And, why did GM have two different brackets to begin with?
___________

Paul,  I certainly can't say why for sure, but there are subtle differences
in the hose ends that fit into the brackets, so the correct ones are
necessary.  Perhaps it has something to do with preventing the
misinstallation of parts on the assembly line.  GM often designed parts to
only fit one way, and to ensure that it was difficult (though obviously not
impossible) to install the wrong part in critical applications.  I suspect
it's one of these.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:43:57 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Starter/Solenoid problems

When I try to start, about 50% of the time, the starter spins, but does not
turn the motor over.  So I figured, ok, solenoid, simple, right?  Well, put
a
new one on and guess what?
___________

If the starter spins, the solenoid is working.  This sounds like the
starter drive (aka, Bendix drive).  A less likely problem (though one I
recently had on my truck) is a couple of broken teeth on the flywheel ring
gear.  If they line up with the starter, it will just spin.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:34:58
From: Jeff Lane <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Speakers in a 67 Toro

Ahhh... thank you master...  grasshopper understand now, and I will soon
snatch pebble from your hand!

seriously tho, thanks.  I had looked and looked, and to be quite honest, It
never even dawned on me to remove the rear seat <slaps self on forehead>

oh well...  it has been a really bad few days...  maybe I'll tell y'all
about it some day...
At 06:15 PM 9/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>6X9 fits.  Access through upright of rear seat, not trunk.  Two little bolts
>are revealed when rear seat bottom is removed.  Back out retaining bolts and
>lift rear upright cushion.  All will be made clear to you at this time.
>Peter.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Johnny Gage <bladernr@roava.net>
>To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Cc: Toronado Fans <toro@armchair.mb.ca>
>Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:48 PM
>Subject: Speakers in a 67 Toro
>
>
>>I was wondering something today...  the Batmobile had the front dash
>>speakers...  but it also has the hole and grille for the ceneter mounted
>>rear speaker that is in the backrest of the rear seat...  I havent been
>>anble to figure out how to get this open to put a speaker in it, and then
>>what size speaker will fit?  have you guys had and experience with this??
>>
>>
>>><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
>>
>>Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#18716911
>>                    http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
>>    bladernr@roava.net               EMTBoy9@aol.com
>>
>>Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer  | EMT-ST/Driver
>>Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.   | United Ambulance Service
>>Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia
>>
>>"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
>>you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
>>
>>----------------------------------Carpe
>>Noctum------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:51:06 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS

Ken, I taped the race, was going to watch it tonite, thanks for sharing
that with me, ( No Flame, just a put on), going to watch it anyway. big
thing for St. Lou, Normally we watch concrete set up, I hate it when
someone like CBS covers a big race, commercial after another, Pees a person
off.
Take care,
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: KS7RACING@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:01 PM
>
> I could have nuked ESPN Sunday for the continual interruption of the
> Martinsville NASCAR race with all that crap.  If I would have wanted to
watch
> stickball, I would have tuned in stickball.
>
> What Ricky Rudd did yesterday in that race was truly heroic -- not only
did he
> last 500 laps in one of the toughest races on the schedule in 100+ degree
heat
> with his suit and helmet cooling system broken, he won, and that makes 16
> years in a row that he has won at least one race -- a streak that began
before
> either one of them was playing their game.
>
> It also sickened me to hear some local game puke (sportscaster) call the
> stickball homerun contest a race -- they wouldn't know what a race was if
it
> hit them in the middle of Turn 3.
>
> Sorry, but the lack of local racing coverage and the disrespect that ESPN
gave
> the race yesterday really set me off.  Bet they didn't interrupt the game
with
> the results from Martinsville...........
>
> Take Care,
> Ken Snyder

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:55:44 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Olds motor ID was: 425 in a Cadddy? was: 425 big boy

In a message dated 98-09-28 16:22:41 EDT, you write:

<< How do you ID an engine from markings? All I can find on mine is a serial
number on the oil filler pipe. I have a service manual, but the only thing in
there is a Serial number and Code locations. Code sticker(!) is missing form
my oil filler pipe.The car is a '69 Ninety-Eight. >>

First, and I cannot stress this enough, if you intend to keep (cherish,
worship, treasure, et cetera) this car for a considerable amount of time, you
will be WELL served by the purchase of the 1969 Chassis Service Manual and
somewhat by the Fisher Body Manual for that year.

The Chassis Service Manual will provide a listing of all engine codes for that
year and what they mean. The only exception may be the block ID. The Block ID
tends to be specific for blocks of particular displacements for one or more
years Sounds a bit vague, huh? It is. The best general source for engine block
ID is the Olds FAQ at www.442.com. (That is a great site even without the
FAQ!) Karl suggests printing out the FAQ for future reference, but have a
spare print cartridge handy! Can there be too much Oldsmobile info?

As you own a 1969 full-size, I will assume that you have a 455 engine with
Qjet carb (I think a Roch 2-jet was also available). The easy way to tell a
big block is that the intake manifold is 14" accross as opposed to the 12" of
a small block. As it is hard to be off by more than an inch, this is an easy
check.

Now. The "proof of the pudding" is in the block code. this is located on the
shelf atop the water pump. The shelf is approx. an inch wide (on my car
anyway), and located forward of the thermostat. This shelf, being where the
oil filler tube rises from, tends to be a catch-all for grease, oil, dirt, and
other non-Oldsmobile topics. For a good picture, visit
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/soylent.html for a clear picture of this shelf
and my code. Patience while it loads!

The odd fitting on the right is the oil temperature sending sensor. The hose
clamp is on my thermostat housing. The blue gasket at the bottom is on my
water pump.

386525 A

The six # mean little (that we know of as yet). What IS important is the "A".
ONLY 1965 BB cars had an "A" block casting.

I am not looking at my FAQ copy now, but I believe that a 1969 BB should have
an "F" code. Your engine code letter (or a number if a small block) should
also appear (letter [or number] only) on the leftmost edge of your cylinder
heads as you face the spark plugs (should be in line with the plugs I think)
note that these positions may be obscured by accessories.

In addition, there should be a code on the front of your passenger side
cylinder head. This code is, of course hidden by the alternator or whatever is
mounted there.  As I recall, I tried to photograph this on my car, but was
thwarted by the focus/resolution of the digital camera, and the crud on the
engine. A pencil rubbing will be enogh to satisfy me.





<< Thanks.  >>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:52:15 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ??????????????????????????????????????

Tim,
Thought the system was down.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Tim Wurtz <tropical@micron.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ??????????????????????????????????????
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:56 PM
>
> Please don't spam the subject line with a bunch of ??????? marks, Simply
> just put your subject in and be curtious others. Thank you
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:39 AM
> Subject: ??????????????????????????????????????
>
>
> >Lou Biggs
> >lbiggs@intertek.net
> >

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:56:44 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

In a message dated 98-09-28 13:24:26 EDT, you write:

<< >WHERE DO you guys keep this things???
 >Or are you not married, involved,     maybe independently wealthy,
 >whatever???
 >
 >
 they have Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge ,,,,,,tracks of land. >>

That was GREAT!

K

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:53:03 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: List Cars

Nawp.   North Jawja.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Gage <bladernr@roava.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: List Cars


>Hey, Peter...  you arent close to VA are you???
>
>hehehe...  I need help doing a frame on of my 67 Toro that is  also a close
>to daily driver... heheh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 7:11 PM
>Subject: Re: List Cars
>
>
>>French, Yugoslavian, Italian, British or Korean builds.  But, times and
>>pressures being what they are, in the past few years I've been doing more
>>and more frame on restorations.  I specialize in G.M. products from 1959
to
>>1971.  But, I've done older, and one or two newer.  Had I thought this was
>a
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:05:38 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: More on Olds Engine ID Was: 425 Cadddy, ride me big boy, the Spanish
Inquisition

Whoops, sent  before finished.

I did send the meat as I recall, but had to mention for "vdeveloper" (right?)

I HAVE seen a 1969 98 in a yarde near Peoria.
Indications are it has been there since mid 80's (found newspaper inside..).
Body panels look great compared to what I have seen for my car.

Any needs?

Or if you are close enough I will send directions to Harmon's.

Good Oldsmobiling!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:14:14 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

In a message dated 98-09-28 18:29:23 EDT, you write:

<< I use 5W30 in winter (gets a little cold in St. Lou), and 5W40 in the
summer, (also gets very hot in summer), never had an oil related problem with
any of the cars. >>

Karl spent Sat night reading: http://www.ll.net/spider/snake.htm

It is all about oil additives.

My thanks to whomever posted the URL last week(?)

After reading, I am VERY glad I have been using SAE 30 (with detergents) for
the past few months. Karl had previousl used Valvoline 20w50 (or whatever
brand was availale in these weights) in summer and 5W30 in cooler months.

Mo more.

I'll use any oil that has detergents and nothing else. (SAE 30 comes w/o
detergents as well!).

Speaking of that, it is getting knda brisk hereabouts.....

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:23:14 -0400
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: 425 big boy

Bob Blanchard wrote:
>
> At 08:13 PM 9/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Went yarding yesterday. Saw a 425 in a '78 Caddy. Isn't that one of ours?
> >
> yup it is one of ours, Cadilac put lots of Olds engines in there cars :)
> I do seem to remember a caddy built 425 too,
> Somewhere around 64-66 model years

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:23:59 EDT
From: Supafli50@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

Does anybody have any suggestions about what I could do to thinken my oil
without making a flow problem.  My "idiot" keeps coming on after my car has
been running a while and the oil heats up.  This only happens when idling like
at stop lights.  I have checked the oil and just changed it today.

Matt
88 Olds Cutlass Supreme IE

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:23:24 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!

The production run of '69 98 droptops was 4,288.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: VBDeveloper <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!


>Where did you get production figures?? I am looking for numbers for '69
>Ninety-Eight Convertible
>
>----------
>> From: RGHaun@aol.com
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!
>> Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 10:04 AM
>>
>> Dont't know where he got that 78 number, prod figures for
>> 71 442 Convert. is 1304, I have a W30, tried everywhere including
>> Helen Early but no one has prod fig. for W30 71 442 convets made.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:33:11 -0400
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: 425 Cadillac

Cadillac did use a 425 in '77-'79, but it had no ralation to any Olds
V8.  It was a Cadillac engine related to the early '70s 500 and the
'80-'81 '368.   There was a 429 Cadillac engine (also unrelated to the
Olds engines) used in '64-'67 when it was supplanted by the 472
(Cadillac had to have more cubes than Olds in those days).
	Cadillac did use Olds 350s with an early TBI system in '76-'79 Sevilles
and '79 Eldorados.  The 350 Olds was also featured in various other late
'70s and 1980 model Cadillacs sold in California (Olds engine made the
emission cert for CA, the Cadillac engine did not).
	The 307 Olds was, of course, used in the '86 to early '90 RWD
Cadillac.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:28:11 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Re-post....Web page idea....

It's been a long time since I was scared.  Let's get it on.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 6:41 PM
Subject: Re-post....Web page idea....


>
>Hi gang,
>        This is attempt #2, so bear with me if you ~did~ get it...it
>didn't come back to me so I'm assuming it never made the list.
>       I had an idea about a new page for the list....esp. since now
>we all have the info on what everyone drives :) We have alot of great
>folks hereand alot of great personalities here too....has anyone ever
>wanted to put a face with that?....So give me some input....We can
>post a pic of the list members and the listing of their cars.....Let
>me have some input ~DIRECT~ please so we don't clog the list up
>again....No flames please as even though this may seem stupid to
>some...it may not be to everyone....
>         I know some of you won't post their mug because of being
>wanted in 3 states for buying too many Olds'....but I'll keep it
>private so  ~ONLY~ list folks will have access :)
>             Anyways...that's my thought...What'cha think?
>             Sman
>
>
>
>
>
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:34:16 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Radio

I've seen Pioneer and Technics units advertised but in the $1100 range.  Too
pricey for me, but aren't those old radios terrible? Makes you want to listen
to AM just for that authentic sound...

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:38:20 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: blowby

A car I just bought has SERIOUS blowby. Short of pulling the head and
pistons, is there any way to try to stop this? The motor doesn't make
any strange noises, so it doesn't sound like anything broke, but I've
never seen an engine blow smoke & a bit of oil out the dipstick tube
before.

I've changed the PCV valve, just in case. Same results.

Jim...

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:58:40 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: junkyard

>
><< Got some bucket seats and a turn signal
> stalk.  $16 total.  I recommend this place to anyone "nearby".   >>
>
>yea, i can relate.  there is a junkyard here in south carolina where i got
an
>entire 12" disk brake setup off of an '80 caprice station wagon with master
>cylinder for $40

You guys have it lucky. Yardes around here gotchya by the short hairs. I
took an air compressor (rear air shock leveling type) for 35 bucks. He
wanted 50! (The thing lists for 500 so they tell me). Ask about 5A heads for
a 307 - $75 each, guaranteed to need work (they won't sell heads off a good
engine).

Greedy b*stards. I hate 'em.

drc

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:57:35 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Omega Help

<Snip>

<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Avery Plank
<>Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 1:50 PM
<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: Omega Help
<>
<>
<>Well I'm new to the mailing list and just found a 73 Omega for sale in
<>Chicago (I'm in Houston) It's at a dealership and they are asking $995
<>for it, and I went ahead and put down $200 for them to hold the car.  I
<>am going to have a friend look at it for me, but is there anything I
<>should tell him to look for specifically? The car has a 350, auto,
<>working a/c, ps, pb.... it's gold with a brown top, and comes complete
<>with 81k miles.


Huummm, In my local Want Ad Digest:

'81 Omega : 6cyl, GC, runs good,
little rust, ready to drive, $300.
(Albany, NY) - (518)449-7830.

<also>

72 Cutlass : 2dr, 350 4bbl, runs excel,
body work 98 % complete, in primer,
ready for paint, $995.
(Schuylerville, NY), (518) 695-6956

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom

gjcouse@francomm.com <mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com>
  
"Quincy" = 1986 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:01:03 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 425 big boy

>This 425 is most likely a Cadillac engine (1977-79), a descendant of the
>earlier 472/500s.  Note the centrally located A6 A/C compressor,

Yup.

>thermostat housing on the block, forward mounted distributor, electric
>choke,

More yup. That's the baby, Kevin. Oh well. I only knew it was a 425 from the
ID tag on the fan shroud.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:04:06 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Dashboard "chrome"

What is the "chrome-like" stuff they used to accent hard plastic on
dashboards?  I need to clean up the hard plastic parts of my 71 4-4-2 dash.
'Also need help on the bezels surrounding the gauges.  I checked Just Dashes
and they appear to deal only with the soft vinyl stuff.  I heard that there's
something that you "rub" on and it wears well, but can't find anything on it.
Also, the plastic piece around the TH400 shifter is now light gray and I
assume it was also once "chrome". Can anyone confirm?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:56 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine

>I've talked to some people on the internet and we all THINK it is a 307, i
>know for sure that it is 5.0L v8.

5.0L = 307.

>The thing is something weird happened, i
>wanted to buy an aluminum Intake Manifold for it, but edelbrocks (#3711)
>are listed for '85 & earlier,

It won't fit because the intake ports on the heads are too small and won't
match up. That change happened in 85.

> So my question remains, do i in fact have a Olds 307,

Yep.

>and if so who makes performance parts that will fit that year?

No one makes an intake that will fit. Cams yes, intakes no. Sorry.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:07:00 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: "one-wire" alternators

At 10:17 PM 9/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>well the internal regulator alts from gm ALL only require one wire you
>connect to the positive post on the back in the normal way then run a jumpef
>from there to the field or F terminal of the plastic connector been doin
>this for years now everybody thinks it is the greatest thing wish I'd
>thought to market the d*m@ things back then......kk

well thats nice to know. thanks :)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:07:13 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

Does anyone know where I can find a picture of what the engine is supposed to
look like?  I'd like to get back to original, but now have chrome valve
covers, chrome open air cleaner, yellow plug wires, etc...  Also, what are
acceptable or correct colors should I decide to paint things like hood hinges,
alternator?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:08:47 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: seat belts

'Need a pair of front original front seat belts.  71 4-4-2 convertible.
Brothers, no. Year One, no.  GM insignia on the buckle I think.  Any ideas for
sources??

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:04 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!

You've got a 39 degree cam in a 45 degree motor--IF you've got the original
400"  'B' block engine. Take out the cam and replace it with a correct one.

Dusted by a Geo Storm! The thought of it gime the creeps...

Peter
CoupeKing

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:17:44 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

>Does anybody have any suggestions about what I could do to thinken my oil
>without making a flow problem.  My "idiot" keeps coming on after my car has
>been running a while and the oil heats up.  This only happens when idling
like
>at stop lights.  I have checked the oil and just changed it today.


If your bearings are worn you could have low oil pressure. If they're not,
maybe the oil pump needs help. I had a very worn 231 v6 that did that and I
fixed it temporarilly by replacing the spring in the oil pump. Try 20W-50
and change it often. Castrol seemed to last longest for me.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:23:54 -0700
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Was: Re: ?????????? Sorry Lou...

No prob Lou, sorrry i didn't undestand what it meant....

On another note do you happen to know where i can get a flywheel fo a 403
motor?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: ??????????????????????????????????????


>Tim,
>Thought the system was down.
>Lou
>
>----------
>> From: Tim Wurtz <tropical@micron.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: ??????????????????????????????????????
>> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:56 PM
>>
>> Please don't spam the subject line with a bunch of ??????? marks, Simply
>> just put your subject in and be curtious others. Thank you
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
>> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:39 AM
>> Subject: ??????????????????????????????????????
>>
>>
>> >Lou Biggs
>> >lbiggs@intertek.net
>> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:35:00 -0400
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Starter/Solenoid problems

I just put a high compression starter in my rocket 330, seems to fire up
much easier than before.....

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:34:49 EDT
From: JDess@aol.com
Subject: Re: seat belts

  Hi,
  There was an ad in the Sept '98 Hemming's.  Color section, Page 6673.
  Ssnake-Oyl Products, Inc, remanufactured and Reconditioned seatbelt.
  Phone #  (903) 769-4555
  Web site:
  www.ssnake-oyl.com

  That's all I know about this firm, I have never dealt with them.
  Joe Dessel

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:44:41 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  junkyard

Ray,
I need some grey interior parts for my 87 442 notice any G bodies at the U-
pull salvage yard? Hoping not to make the trip for nothing
Thanx
John- Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 20:48:29 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

At 09:57 AM 9/27/98 EDT, you wrote:

   1969 4-4-2 Holiday Coupe  Black on Black


  Glenn
  West Seneca, NY

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:55:53 EDT
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: 442 Dash

I am about to remove the dash from my 70 442 for paint, rechrome, etc.  Has
anyone done this and have any tips other than don't do it, as that is what I
am thinking after looking the project over?  Are there any diagrams available?
Does anyone have one already pulled out that might be for sale?

Thanks,

Dan442Olds@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:03:18 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: 350 Buildup

Does anybody have a good idea based on their own experiences for a 350
buildup?  I don't have lots of money but I have a 350 (in my 72 Cutlass "S")
with a edelbrock performer intake and a Holley 600 vacuum secondaries.  The
car has the original single exhaust so obviously I am going to add the dual
exhaust and headers but as far as the engine is concerned I don't really know
where to start.  I want to use the car for mostly street and a little strip.
What are the best factory cylinder heads?  How much is a good price for them?
What would be a good camshaft?  What are the best pistons? As you can see I
don't know really what to use and I know that you guys are the best so please
help me out!!!!  I don't want to put in a Chevy small block like everyone else
says to use!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:03:19 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Olds TH-350 4sale

My number is 708-952-0182 or page at 708-413-9283.


Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: Re: 72 Olds TH-350 4sale
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 7:46 PM
>
> 	hi peter
>   if you still have your trans for sale ,iam interested. i live in
naperville
> but iam familiar with the burbank area as i used to live at 81st and
austin
> and 83rd and narragansett  please give me your phone number again and ill
call
> you to set up a time to pick it up
>                                        thanks
>                                             jim

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:10:43 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: another fan question

Yes it is.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: roger hitson <hitson@i1.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: another fan question
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:32 AM
>
> Are" torque limiting " fans another name for the kind of fan clutch that
> engages/disengages at certain RPM's?
>
> roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:12:56 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: Door panels

Looking for right & left Interior Door Panels for a '75 Delta 88 Royale 2-Door
Conv. White in color, also looking for the same for a '70 Delta 88 2-Door
Conv.(not Royale). And also in-ned of a Red dash pad for the '75. If anybody 
has
seen any at a Salvage Yard or a parts supplier can you post the name and number
. Thank you Bruce Camilli 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible 455ci
soon-to-be 1970 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Convertible 350ci

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:14:46 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!

Hey your car sounds like its got a good base to make power.  Assuming that you
have everything tuned right, I think the culprit is the tranny, makes a big
difference.  It's not the gears, trust me. I have 3.23s in my Cutlass.
Whatever you do, DON'T GIVE UP!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:20:34 -0400
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!

Thanks for the info. Now I have more ammo to answer my wife when she
says:"Why are putting money into that thing". Happy Oldsmobiling!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!


>The production run of '69 98 droptops was 4,288.  Peter.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: VBDeveloper <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:57 PM
>Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!
>
>
>>Where did you get production figures?? I am looking for numbers for '69
>>Ninety-Eight Convertible
>>
>>----------
>>> From: RGHaun@aol.com
>>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> Subject: Re: 1 of 78??!!
>>> Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 10:04 AM
>>>
>>> Dont't know where he got that 78 number, prod figures for
>>> 71 442 Convert. is 1304, I have a W30, tried everywhere including
>>> Helen Early but no one has prod fig. for W30 71 442 convets made.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:21:17 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup

You know when I got my Cutlass with its slow ass 350, all the sorry Chevy guys
told me to put in one of thier motors.  They almost had me believing that
there was something wrong with Olds motors and my car would never be fast
without a chevy motor.  Guess what?  WRONG!!!!   Don't listen to 'em.  Your
350 will make a great performance motor (every bit as good as a chevy)  Don't
discrace your car by putting anything other than a rocket under the hood.

good luck

Ryan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:29:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

I've got a pic or two of the '70 455 in the SX that my pal Brian detailed
(paging Dr. Olds...) that should go up on Bryce's page one of these days
once we get a write-up done. It is exactly what you would need to see, he
did a beautiful job. I don't have them scanned yet but bear with me.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:31:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

More on this... you should start collecting *now* all the things you'll
need to get it back to original, like the air cleaner, hot air pipe and
shroud, valve covers (notched style if you have a/c), etc.etc. Then you
can at least do them u when you have time and just bolt them on when
you're ready to tackle the big job.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:32:19 -0500
From: David Harms <dph0569@flash.net>
Subject: porting '87 olds Heads

Is it possible to have '87 Heads machined so that they will match up with
'85 intakes? Or will doing this cause them to get to hot?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:55:36 -0400
From: olds442@cgo.wave.ca
Subject: Muncie M21 for sale - out of Chevelle or Vette

M21 out of 68 - 69 chevelle or vette, $400, with linkage and bellhousing
$450 CAN. May need refresh, tiny chip on edge of one tooth on 1st gear.
Reply to mailto:olds442@cgo.wave.ca

Hamilton, ON

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:21:58 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish
Inquisition

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-09-28 13:36:51 EDT, you write:
>
> << Jerry's Short List...
>
>  87 Cutlass Supreme (F-442)
>
>  Aquiring an 83 Cutlass to make a F-Hurst or an 85 to make another F-442...
>  Maybe I oughta just find a REAL 442...  heh heh. >>
>
> NO!
>
> Use your imagination!
> Make the 87 a REAL 4 4 2 (well, true to the #s anyway)!
> There's plenty of room there for a 400cid, Qjet, and true dualies...

Actually...  I was planning on dropping a 455 w/ A THM400 in there
instead...  And as far as Qjet.......  Jury's still out on that
decision....

That's why I am calling it an "F-442" it's gonna have the "F-" in front
of the "442" on all panels in which the markings occur...  Black, with
silver rocker panels (not chrome) and 84 Hurst Striping...  It'll
actually look more like the 83 Hurst than an 87 442 (I don't like gold
on cars)..

This is my weapon of choice for "Operation Foxhunt"

> Oh, wait, you cannot put true duals on your car.

Legally?  No...  In the state of South Carolina....  Yes.  (READ: No
inspection, mine's already TRUE dualed....)

>
> SOM
>
> &KA
>
> (the springs ARE an improvement!)

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:31:27 -0400
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Olds 403

Hi gang,

  This is one cool list here, thanks S-Man for telling me about it!
  Have a question for the masses.
  I have a  '79 Po***ac T/A with the Olds 403, I'm planning a rebuild
soon and was wondering what kind of things I should do to this engine to
get some great performance.
 For starters here's a few things I was thinking about:
 1 I'm thinking of using Eldebrock's RPM cam and intake.
 2 I know that these engines don't have much CR, that in mind I've been
told two things. You can get custom pistons with less dish in them or
find a set of Olds 350 heads #5 I think.
 Other than that the rest of the block will be stock.
 Ok Olds people what do you think?
 Am I overlooking something, should I go with something else.
 Thanks for your input!  Scott

P.S.
  Olds I own....just one a '86 Delta 88 one nice riding car!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:25:44 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....

Arnold Alvin TSgt wrote:
>
>   I'm the resident '84 Buick Grand National owner...  love all cars.  Still
> looking for a Lightning Rod Shifter to fit my 200 R4 trans... one of you
> guys out there has one... now give it up!!!!

Heh.  Just figured I'd give ya a hard time...

I am looking at one myself, not sure if I wanna throw the lightning rods
into my car, or Buy a Hurst Dual Gate 2.

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:08:28 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: "The Simpsons" pick a good target

At 10:19 AM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Last night's episode of The Simpsons had a scene where Nelson
>Muntz takes his air rifle into his backyard for a little target
>practice on an old car they've got up on blocks. Turns out that
>it's a Z-28, a 1970 1/2 or 1971 vintage

Yup, it was his dads "Shootin Car". :)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:24:21 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Radio

In a message dated 9/28/98 1:01:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< What is a "stupid light"?

 >
 >  The one kid had a 61 falcon
 >>(yes his
 >>stupid light was on)
 >> >>

A pretty cool way of explaining that the person was a moron.  Another
situation is as follows....The other day I dropped the gas tank in the 56 to
try and change the sending unit to an aftermarket one...didn't work and did
something else...when finished and drove the car (only 75 feet) before it died
and after much swearing and tinkering, realized that the gas line fitting at
the tank was still loose....DOH,    MY stupid light was on......The fuel pump
was sucking air from around the flare fitting thus no fuel to carb.......

Generally the stupid light is on the forehead of the moron...occasionally a
person even asks "Is my stupid light on?"  "What do you think I am, an
idiot?".......so on and so forth......



Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:26:32 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Everyone stop listing cars

Please, please, oh GOD please stop the madness........:)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:30:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....

hey i will sell someone a Hurst Quarter Stick for a TH350!!!!! it will be
a hell of a lot cheaper than those lightning rods!!  Nathyn

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Arnold Alvin TSgt wrote:
> >
> >   I'm the resident '84 Buick Grand National owner...  love all cars.  Still
> > looking for a Lightning Rod Shifter to fit my 200 R4 trans... one of you
> > guys out there has one... now give it up!!!!
>
> Heh.  Just figured I'd give ya a hard time...
>
> I am looking at one myself, not sure if I wanna throw the lightning rods
> into my car, or Buy a Hurst Dual Gate 2.
>
> --
>                 - Jerry Christopher -
> IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
>        HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:37:51 -0700
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup

I'm happy with the buildup I did on my 350. It's not great off the line but
I don't have wild gears and the torque convertor is stock. It really pulls
all the way up to 6k, although I don't do it very often.:-)
Future plans call for headers and an overdrive tranny so I can run 3.91
gears without hurting highway cruising.
The details are on my Web page if you're interested.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================
List Removal & Guidelines
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/listfaq.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: StafRT007@aol.com <StafRT007@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup


>You know when I got my Cutlass with its slow ass 350, all the sorry Chevy
guys
>told me to put in one of thier motors.  They almost had me believing that
>there was something wrong with Olds motors and my car would never be fast
>without a chevy motor.  Guess what?  WRONG!!!!   Don't listen to 'em.  Your
>350 will make a great performance motor (every bit as good as a chevy)
Don't
>discrace your car by putting anything other than a rocket under the hood.
>
>good luck
>
>Ryan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:33:40 EDT
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: seat belts

In a message dated 98-09-28 20:19:34 EDT, you write:

<< Need a pair of front original front seat belts.  71 4-4-2 convertible.
 Brothers, no. Year One, no.  GM insignia on the buckle I think.  Any ideas
for
 sources?? >>


Junk yard is where I found a set.  They will probably need some restoration as
in sand blasting/repainting and some black dye for faded canvas.

Tom Simmons

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:42:54 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

Greg, List;
	Any sites with pics, conversion info on 455ci in mid '80's Olds G-Body?
Anyone got, (know of), a T-Regal rear end for sell? Yeap, asked the GN list.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom

gjcouse@francomm.com <mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com>
  
'86 Custom Cutlass, "Quincy"

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:36:03 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars...

Okay, my bandwidth-waste for today (is someone tabulating these
results??)

'84 Hurst/Olds ("The Hurst" or "Fancy")
'78 Cutlass w/ 305 Ch*vy ("Rusty")
'78 1/2 ton Ch*vy Scottsdale, diesel converson to a '77 Olds 350.
... and not mine but since the owner lives with me and I do all the
maintenance: '92 Toyota Supra
... and maybe soon we'll be adding an '81 delta-88 4-door we've been
eying.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:50:31 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

1961 Starfire Conv	
1971 Cut Sup Conv
1972 Cut Sup Coupe 3 spd on column
1987 Ciera Sedan
1989 Touring Sedan 145,000 miles
1992 Cut Sup Conv
1990 Olds Bravada Pick/up (S10  conversion)

Everett   OCA# 1961

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:33:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: 'Nother 69 question

That's _1969_!  Get yer mind outta the gutter!  ;-)

On 69 442s, is the stone shield between the grilles silver to match the
grilles or semi-gloss black to match the core support?

Also, did _everyone_ black out the headlight doors and housings on their 69
442s?  I now have two sets (not counting the ones on my H/O, which were
black from the factory) which have been painted black.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
69 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 'Nother 69 question

- ---Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
 Also, did _everyone_ black out the headlight doors and housings on
their 69 442s?

- ----hehe....I either blacked out or painted all the chrome/silver body
color.....looked cool...and got plenty of looks :)
            Sman
==
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:13:06 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: General

Well Mark, before my computer crashed, I do remember reading about your
looking for a place to get a vinyl roof replaced.  I've heard many many
good things about Automotive Concepts in Willow Grove.  Heard good things
from my mechanic father and his colleagues, not 16 year old 5.0 owners.

When's Carlisle?



Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:19:25 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: pondering the ignition advance.

So, when you hear your engine pinging, it is quite often because of
preignition.  To alleviate this,  one can often retard the timing a bit.
Now, I have realized that this goes against my current logic abilities.
Preignition is when the a/f mixture self ingites prior to the spark, yes?
 So, if I adavance the spark timing, the spark will fire sooner, and
properly combust the mixture before it gets a chance to do it.  Why,
then, are preignition problems more prevailant the sooner the spark is
fires.  Something just doesn't make sense here.  Could it be because the
increase in combustion chamber temperature increases at a faster rate
than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:13:29 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: need a digest please

My computer deleted all the posts from today before I read themm (9-28).
I thought I had instructions for ordering back issues of digests, but I
don't.  If some digester could forward me a copy I would love that.
rocket409@juno.com
Thanks!


Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:03:46 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

Does anyone know where I can find a picture of what the engine is supposed
to
look like?  I'd like to get back to original, but now have chrome valve
covers, chrome open air cleaner, yellow plug wires, etc...  Also, what are
acceptable or correct colors should I decide to paint things like hood
hinges,
alternator?
_____________

Don't know about a good engine pic, but I'll try to describe most of it.

The engine block, heads, valve covers, water pump, oil pan, and thermostat
housing should all be painted the metallic blue of Olds 455s.  Note that
this is not the Pontiac blue, nor is it the non-metallic blue of later
years.  Fusick sells the correct paint.  The intake should also be blue,
unless it's a W-30 with aluminum intake, which is left bare.  Air cleaner
is gloss black and should be the 1971-only dual snorkel unit unless it has
O.A.I., which gets the single snorkel unit with the wide snorkel.  Engine
brackets and pulleys are semi-gloss black.  Firewall, core support, and
hinges are the "underhood black" sold by many restoration supply houses.  I
believe this is something like a 30% gloss (?) if I remember the article in
Muscle Car Review.  The alternator should be a bare cast aluminum finish.
Since freshly-blasted aluminum castings will rapidly discolor, Eastwood
sells a cast grey paint that should work well.  The correct plug wires
should be 7 mm black wires; if you're fanatical you can even get the proper
date code from Fusick and Year One.  The distributor cap and coil should
also be black.  Heater hoses should be black and have ribbing.  Radiator
hoses should be molded, not corrugated universal types.  Master cylinder
body should be natural cast iron, which will rust so again, get the cast
iron paint from Eastwood.  The power booster and master cylinder cover
should be gold irridite; if you don't want to shell out to get yours
recoated, Eastwood sells a multi-step paint kit that comes close (but looks
obviously painted on all the ones I've seen).  Note that 71s did _not_ use
the corrugated black cover for the wire harness of later years.  The
harness should be wrapped with a black plastic non-adhesive tape.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:18:20 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup

The first step in performance is the headers. Easy to do, and fairly in
expensive compared to the sum of us spending thousands on just one part...
(alum. heads...) Then I would go for a good cam. Anything about 270 is 
outragous
for a small block. a 268 comp cams will be real radical in the 350, but is 
great
for the 400+ engines. Do the math, and maybe find somebody (like myself) who
will run the numbers on their computers giving you a good guess as to were you
will sit and how you will run. Consider your rear end too. If you build too 
much
high rpm torque then you will take off slower, if you balance between torque
peak and rpm along with horsepower then you should still be good. Then as far 
as
heads. The C head is the most sought after for the Big blocks. I have a set of 
C
heads with roller tipped rockers I am in desperate need to seel and I am sure
you could mill them down to increas your compression as they have about 77 cc
combustion chambers. The big block heads will match up, but you will have to
make the bolt hols bigger and that is no problem while it's at the machine 
shop.
I don't know much about the small blocks so ofcourse I'm trying to sell you 
from
the bigger is better and best point of view, but any olds is a great olds no
matter what the size.

Ben
62 Olds F-85 (help me sell this soon guys!!!!)
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442 (the alum heads are more than worth the money to me, but then
anything I can get a loan for is worth putting on my car as long as it goes
faster, and runs cooler!)

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:09:55 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Digest 1512 reply

'doin the Chris Witt thing and making one big reply to the digest:

Chris, The H/O pipes are twin pipes and mufflers all the way back which
are Y'd off of the single catalytic converter.  There's pictures off the
Hooker system, which is extremely close to the original except bigger,
on my web page at http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hooker_exhaust.htm

Re: shift points.  I dunno what speed it shifts at, I'm too busy smiling
and getting kicked in the rear when it does the 1-2 shift to pay
attention :-)  I do know that number is rather rough, you can vary the
shift points a few hundred RPM by adjusting the TV cable.  If you really
want to know, the 200-4R gear ratio's are in the olds FAQ, the H/O has
3.73:1 gears, and 215/65R15 tires (I think about 26" high), go figure it
out!

Regarding the "list your cars".  I didn't realize we were doing non cars
too.  Add to my list:
A big f-'n trailer.
Small camper.
'83 Indian Moped.  The last year Indian made anything.  You think
finding H/O parts are tough?  Try this!

Re: Digest 1512.  Uhh, never mind that post of mine.  Greg explained it,
and I got the digest 1512.

Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine.  Yes, that's a 307.  The center-bolt valve
cover story is BS.  You can't use the intake because old's switched to a
roller-cam in '85 and the heads after that have dinky ports that won't
line up with the ones on the edelbrock manifold.  The manifold will
physically bolt up, but the port mismatch will cause reversion at best,
many coolant and air leaks at worst.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:25:34 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Edelbrock RPM

I have to put in my thoughts on this subject... I see alot of people going
for the edelbrock kit for their engines. I must say, STOP!!! I don't have
personal experience with them, but all the stories except one or two I hear
are all bad. Edelbrock has left a sour taste in my mouth from the crap with
the aluminum heads I went through. But the main problem I want to bring up
is that their cam is really designed from a Ch&vy point of view. High RPMs
and a late torque/hp peak. If you are doing anything aside from strip then
the cam is way too big for street engines. Yes, it is a good sugestion to go
for a package from one company so all the parts work together, but I have
been mor than happy with my Comp Cams 268H. It's been an awesome cam that
increased torque, hp, and economy! Personally the highest I wanted to go was
272 for street cause of the RPM demands. The 268 cam starts at 1500 and
anything later than that is not very streetable. The edelbrock cam is like
2300 or more if I recall correctly. I just don't think their cam design is
good for the street olds. My thoughts, now I'm ready to take the heat of the
die hard Edelbrock guys...

Ben

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