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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 20 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1562



Re: Vaccuum Diagrams
Re: 1.7 ratio rockers
Re: ignition timing problems
Re: engine build
DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
UNBOUNCE: Re:head gasket thickness
UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?
UNBOUNCE: 1950 Olds 88
Re: UNBOUNCE: Re:head gasket thickness
Re: UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?
Re: UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?
Re: engine build
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
(no subject)
(no subject)
Yikes! and No Ping!
Re: Yikes! and No Ping!
Re: New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request
1985 442 for sale
Re: Yikes! and No Ping!
oops my mistake
Re: engine build
8 track player
what is html?
Re: Vaccuum Diagrams
Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)
Re: 8 track player
Re: Driveline question???
Re: Thornton Motors
Re: UHHH, Ray?
RE: what is html?
Re: replacement for jetaway
Re: what is html?
remove me from list...
Re: gasoline prices was: engine build
Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)
Fw: gasoline prices was: engine build
Re: UNBOUNCE: 1950 Olds 88
Re: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
Re: gasoline prices was: engine build
Re: 8 track player
Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)
Re: 8 track player
Wrote to CAR CRAFT
Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O
Re: replacement for jetaway
help idintify N.O.S. parts
Need 3.42/3.73 gear help
Re: electric fuel pumps
Gas prices: was  engine build
calendar
Re: DRCE intakes 
Re: NSCA Oct 24/25 Columbus meet
Re: Wrote to CAR CRAFT
Re: engine build
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1559
Olds List Centennial Video
Re: replacement for jetaway
Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O
seat clarification
computer failure
Re: replacement for jetaway
Re: 1950 Olds 88
Re: DRCE intakes
Re: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
Re: New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request
Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O
Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O
Re: 1.7 ratio rockers

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:38:03 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Vaccuum Diagrams

> Does anyone have any kind of detailed vacuum diagrams for my '84 Olds
307?

Sorta. I have one for an 85, which is mighty close. E-mail me direct with
whatever specific you need.

> I have put the motor all back together and it DOES RUN...but I've got one
> vacuum hose plugged with tape, one off the air cleaner leading nowhere,

Hose from the air cleaner goes to a manifold fitting on the back side of
the carb (assuming a 307). It actuates the thermo controlled vacuum door in
the snorkle. 

> the car did some REALLY weird stuff today...like run with a LOT of noise,
> in PARK, after being driven quite a bit around town with NO PROBLEMS TO
> SPEAK OF - it also dieseled a bit after I killed it with the intention of
> starting it again and seeing if the problem repeated itself.

A vacuum leak makes the motor run lean, which increases combustion
temperatures. You could get detonation (knocking), and dieseling. If the
snorkle flapper-door is closed (I forget which way it goes when vacuum is
disconnected) you'll get hot air from the heat riser tube all the time,
which could have the same effect.

drc

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:56:22 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1.7 ratio rockers

>  As far as I know, olds has 1.6 ratio rockers.  I
> guess the logical step-up would be the 1.7s.

I do believe you'd mess up rocker geometry. The tip of the rocker would hit
the valve stem way over on the edge, instead of just off center. Maybe even
get caught on the edge and bend valves. Not really my area, but it seems
logical.

drc

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:47:44 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: ignition timing problems

- ----------
>  Back to my original 
> question, since the computer is not affecting the ignition in any 
> way, is it normal for my to be able to turn my distributor 10-15 
> degrees with minimal changes in idle speed?

In my experience, advance has little effect on idle speed. Never went that
far with it tho.

>On a side note, is it necessary to have the PCV valve 
> securely seated in the passenger valve cover?

Yep.

> Will I lose vacuum 
> here? 

Yep.

>Would this cause a poor idle (especially while cold)? 

You betcha. Vacuum leak makes lean mixture, just what a cold motor
~doesn't~ want.

> How 
> about MAP sensor?  charcoal canister hook-up? vacuum leak?  Would any 
> of these cause poor idle, especially when cold?  	

Any vacuum leak will. If you took the 'puter controlled carb and
distributor out, then you don't need the MAP sensor any more, so you can
plug that. The canister connection is to the float bowl, no vacuum there.

drc

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:10:08 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine build

what about the w-31 option?  was this a fast factory car?

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:12:53 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale

<< Uh, Jason, that's an Olds DRCE (as in, Warren Johnson Pro Stock), which is
 basically a big block Chebby in a unique Olds block casting.  Some
 aftermarket Chevy heads bolt up, as will, of course, the Olds DRCE heads.
 Nothing in common with the Olds motors we all know and love, though it _is_
 a sweet motor. >>

Anybody know of performance intakes for the DRCE?
Like tripower, quad-power (4x2!), single or dual 4v tunnel ram.

Hey!
Lou Biggs!

You were willing to propose fabricating an EFI intake/cylinder head for a '39
Stearman!

Wanna help Karl build a true 8-pack for a normal (or mabbe DRCE) BB?

Quintuple tunnel ram!!!!

Arrh-arrrrr-arhhhh!!
SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:14:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re:head gasket thickness

First of two from Jim Olsen; Jim, these will bounce unless you use the
mail address you're signed up with...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- 
From:	Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re:head gasket thickness

Which brings up a point...

Just how much do you lose in compression if your new head gasket is say
.012 thicker than the original one?

And is this worth the expense of having your heads milled?

Jim...

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:15:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?

#2 of 2...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmagnet II ?

Don'tcha wonder why Olds never came up with a fix for the ticking rocker
arm problem besides replacement? I've NEVER replaced rocker arms on any
car I've had besides my V8 Oldsmobiles...

My current '83 307 does it too... it's so annoying...

Jim...

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:18:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1950 Olds 88

Not on the list, respond to dswope@ix.netcom.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Donna Swope <dswope@ix.netcom.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 1950 Olds 88

I am looking for pictures of the 1950 Olds 88 on the internet -- does
anyone have any suggestions?    Also, can anyone tell me if the '50 Olds
88 had a trunk handle?  or just open with a key?   where are parts
available for restoration projects?  Thanks!!!

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:28:15 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Re:head gasket thickness

Ooops... Sorry Greg. 

Sheesh.. now I have to re-up...

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:22:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?

Actually... the motor in this '82 doesn't tick a bit... I was very
suprised to say the least... especially since it hadn't been started in
several months.  My buddy's 60k mile 307 DOES tick... and so does the 260
in my '79... and the 350 in Lucille always had a slight tick to it...
almost too faint to notice unless you drove it regularly... it had 70k on
it.


On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> #2 of 2...
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
> Subject: Re: oldsmagnet II ?
> 
> Don'tcha wonder why Olds never came up with a fix for the ticking rocker
> arm problem besides replacement? I've NEVER replaced rocker arms on any
> car I've had besides my V8 Oldsmobiles...
> 
> My current '83 307 does it too... it's so annoying...
> 
> Jim...
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE:  Re: oldsmagnet II ?

About the valve ticking. I have a 1970 Olds 350 in my 1969 Olds
Cutlass S. The engine was just rebuilt and has the Edelbrock Performer
cam in it. I too have had the valve "tick" problem. What I did to cure
it though is I took the aluminum space under the rocker arm and shaved
it slightly and then reinstalled it. It becomes a bit of a pain and
does make a mess running the engine with no valve cover, but it will
also get rid of the annoying tick. 





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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:29:48 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: engine build

This car is bone stock 2 door post and real sharp and from the factory with
powerglide as far as I can tell..   Butch

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> At 07:18 AM 10/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >I have a friend who has a 69 cutlas, 350 with powerglide. I gave him a
> >ride in my 68 and now he has to have a big block.I have tryed to talk
> >him out of it but he wants it still. Keep in mind that my 442 is a 11
> >second car and a lot of work to get it there. How do I convince him
> >about hot starts,  traction, gears,cams, converters and such. Has
> >anybody on the list been down this road?
>
> I can't think of a reason for him not to go to a  big block.
>
> Why did he go to the trouble of adapting a powerglide to a Olds engine?

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:31:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

I was not very impressed at all with the quality of the '74 Cutlass
model... it looked really cheap and the front end didn't look near
correct.  The '70 is MUCH better in both quality and look... I had to buy
one... BTW, though I still haven't been able to find a G-body Olds... for
the G-body lovers out there I've got both a Johnny Lightning Grand
National and a special edition Nascar G-body Grand Prix.  If anybody's
ever seen a g-body Cutlass model... what brand was it?

BTW, they also had a '77 Delta Pace Car available at the Wal-Mart...
available in several different (and all incorrect) colors.

I've got a Rover 3500 diecast from England.  Still looking for a '65
Bonneville.  ;-)


On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> In addition to the '74 conv (the car comes with a picture of a '74 
> Cutlass conv, I assume it's custom), the new Johnny Lightning series 
> includes a '70 Cutlass conv (got one for Ray Moriarty since he has a few 
> of these) that is really a 442, and a '70 442 that I could not find.
> 
> 
> Brent Pinkstaff
> '70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)
> 
> 
> >At Wal-mart, there is a 74 H/O convertible (don't believe Olds made a
> >conv. in 74) Pace car die cast replica available. I believe it's >about
> >3.5 inches long. $3.99. I don't see many die-cast models of the
> >mid-seventies stuff, so I thought I'd pass along the info for anyone
> >interested in collecting. The brand was "Johnny Lightning." They also
> >make a 69 H/O replica.
> 



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:43:59 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:44:28 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:39:47 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Yikes! and No Ping!

Got two problems resolved today...one was for a great price, one for a 
not-so-great price.

1)  I took the car to my local Olds dealership (no Midas, thank you) to check 
out an exhaust leak. 
 Loud clapping/ticking/chugging sound at anywhere over 1/4 throttle or 
so...very embarassing to 
drive!  Anyway, they found a cracked exhaust manifold.  :-(  He said that a 
brand new GM one would 
be $350 installed.  Yikes!  There are cheaper ways to get it fixed, but I felt 
that this was the 
way to get it done right, the first time.  I'll bet those manifold bolts are a 
bear to get off and 
a new GM manifold would be $100  anyway, no?  Maybe I got taken...anyone think 
I'm an idiot?  :-) 
 He said that he'd call when it comes in, so that problem isn't ~totally~ 
resolved yet.

2)  While there, I asked them to go ahead and check the timing.  He said that 
it was waay advanced. 
 I thought back to the All-tune and Lube tune up I had done almost a year 
ago.  They mentioned a 
"performance tune-up".  They re-assured me that I could still run on pump 
gas.  Even at 92 octane, 
it pings.  I'll bet those jokers set the base timing to 24 or 25 degrees (20 
is factory spec). 
 Bastards...for a total of $15.43, hopefully my pinging is gone.  They said 
that the way too 
advanced timing was probably the cause.  'Course, I can't hear if there is 
pinging now 
anyway...that exhaust leak is LOUD!  :-)

At least I'm getting *somewhere* with the car!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yikes! and No Ping!

Jason,

I don't think you got took on the manifolds. Those bolts can sometimes
be a real bearcat to get off! I have had so many end up snapping off
right flush with the head! Be sure to check that the dealer does put
all of the bolts back in! I have had no luck with any dealer or any
other shop in this city yet!

As for the pinging, I am sure that the timing is what was causing it!
You would have big time pre-ignition if they set it too far advanced!





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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:08:04 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> <snip> why new head gaskets are thicker than the old.

	I assume the thicker gaskets would allow more warpage
without leaking
and be easier to get a seal.  Personally I want to use the
old tin ones if 
possible.  I've never had a problem with them and logically
you would think
that thinner gaskets would be more resistant to blowing
out.  

> This stuff has been discussed here for eons and is in the FAQ, but the
> fact that there is still no easily-understood answer tells me that it
> needs some more exploration here. What would be neat is a checklist, or a
> cookbook one could follow when doing a rebuild like this. Not a how-to for
> every little detail, but stuff that would let you pick parts with a little
> more confidence, like "Recommended head gasket: Fel-Pro ABC-123; mill
> heads .017 (or whatever) to compensate for increased head gasket
> thickness". Same with things like oil restrictors, crossover port
> material, things like that.

I agree it should be easier but I've already found the FAQ
to be a world of
help.  I especially find cams to be problematic.  Since the
FAQ only 
refers to Oldsmobile motors would it be possible to create a
list of 
list members engines with specs including vacuum at idle and
owner comments?
It should be easy to put the specs into a horsepower
calculating program
and add calculated HP.

That way you could find a near match to what you're planning
and see what
someone else's experiences are.  You could also email them
and find out more.

Anyway, I am planning on re-building a motor for my car this
year and I 
will be asking a lot of questions here that probably could
be answered by
a few additions to the FAQ.

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
'69 442/400/th400/3.23p (Kermit)

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:28:49 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: 1985 442 for sale

I'm asking $4995

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:30:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: Yikes! and No Ping!

did you ask if anyone thought you were an idiot for agreeing to pay 350
dollars for an exhaust manifold from GM?   you know i have a pair of 307
manifolds i would sell you for dirt cheap compared to what you paid....i
don't know why you just don't go to the junkyard and get a pair...i am
sure they won't want anything near 350 dollars for them.  You could even
buy a set of headers for less than that.  So if i was you....i would
cancel the order, bust out my tools, take a trip to the local junkyard,
and save myself a fortune.   Just my thoughts....Nathyn

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: oops my mistake

sorry..Jason..i just read your email a little closer this time....the
first time i thought you said that the manifold was 350 dollars......i
apologize...if the tools are available i would do the job myself and save
my money.  Nathyn

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:40:17 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine build

anyone know the address for the web old...something like that

has all types of car parts and for sale car items

thanks  jeff....

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:44:57 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: 8 track player

does anyone know what the 8 track player option would be?  the car currently
has no radio in it and i have a 70 8 track to put in it.  the car is a 70 442
conv.  i have the build sheet to the car.  what should it say for this option?

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:41:21 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: what is html?

What is html other than what I see at the end of an internet address?  Is
this when I see things such as:
This is a mulit-part message in MIME format

and other such mysterious things?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

sorry, non-olds...

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:55:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vaccuum Diagrams

> Hose from the air cleaner goes to a manifold fitting on the back 
> side of the carb (assuming a 307). It actuates the thermo controlled
> vacuum door in the snorkel. 

Yeah... strictly speaking, there oughtta be a temperature sensor in
the base of the air cleaner. One hose runs from the ThermAC motor on
the snorkel (that moves the flapper) to a port on the temperature
sensor; the other port connects a hose from the sensor to the manifold
fitting. So the hose dangling from the air cleaner will appear to come
from under the cleaner housing, not from the snorkel. Whatever...

On my '82, that line did not go straight to the manifold, but to a Tee
fitting in another hose; a whole bunch of them were branched off this
one main hose. You do need that diagram.

In the meantime, as someone else mentioned, until you figure out where
each hose is supposed to go, make sure you've plugged the open ones
securely so you don't lose vacuum from the rest of the system. Having
some of it is better than none at all.

> If the snorkel flapper-door is closed (I forget which way it goes
> when vacuum is disconnected) you'll get hot air from the heat riser
> tube all the time, which could have the same effect.

No, it defaults to Open (breathing through the open end of the 
snorkel) when vacuum is disconnected, so without it the engine is 
running on cold air all the time. This is kind of a relative thing;
seems to me the desired air temperature that the sensor is trying
to achieve was somewhere around 90-120 degrees, so in hot climates
I don't think a disconnected ThermAC is likely to be too harmful.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:39:26 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:55 +0100 Matt Cremean
<creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu> writes:
Not to pick on anyone, but I don't understand questions sucj as this.  Of
course the seats will fit.  Virtually any seat from any car will fit in
another car, as long as yo're willing to make them fit.
Of course if you don't want to drill holes through floorboards or weld
studs in, then I apologize for my stupidity!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

>
>Anyone know if these'd fit in a '70 A-body with a bench?
>
>-- 
>*************
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
>1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
>1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
>1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:53:07 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 8 track player

> does anyone know what the 8 track player option would be? 

U57

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:54:51 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Driveline question???

My 81 Cutlass had a TH400 from a 74 Cadillac if this means anything to
you.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:36:29 -0700 "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>I have obtained a TH400 to replace my tired TH350 and was not able to 
>get
>the yoke.  Does anyone know if all the BOP (Cadillac) ones are
>interchangeable??????????
>
>
>Corey Day
>1970 Cutlass S - 455
>dayc@ix.netcom.com
>www.netcom.com/~dayc/
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:51:52 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Thornton Motors

"don't bogart the joint"
Like, to keep it all to yourself.  These guys hav multiple 442's and I
asked them how much they were selling them for.  The guy said, "I'm not
selling them, I'm going to restore them all.  If I sell them, someone
else pay part them out, and that shouldn't happen to a 442."
good man...
Oh, and he will restore them all.  I see a new Olds there in absolutely
perfect shape at least every month.  
Hey, do you know this place!?  Isn't it cool!  I bought my first Olds
there!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:24:05 EDT Juz440@aol.com writes:
>Thorton is in Telford, Pa.  What does Bogarting mean?
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:58:22 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: UHHH, Ray?

Well, as you know the speedo disappears at about one hundred.  While
Power Touring, a few of us were timing our miles, and I pulled off a 31
second one.  I don't think my car is a 12 secind car.  Low 13's, vs. the
Vette's mid 13's.  It wasn't a complete a$$ kicking, but enough to make
the guy feel like he wasted a lot of money...You didn't see my car when
you bought those parts did you?  I think I was driving the Malibu then
while my car sat in Tucson!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:02:29 EDT RCKTPWR@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 10/19/98 9:38:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:
>
><<  
> > I just need to boast for a moment.  I just race a 96ish Vette on 
>the PA
> > turnpike, starting from about 75mph, and he could not keep up.  Ha 
>ha
> > Vette owner, you just got smoked by a "granny" car in a top speed
> > challenge!  403's kick a$$!!  Oh, I really love my car tonight...
> > >>
>Not disagreeing here, BUT, you have a 12 second g-body, that outruns 
>96
>vettes? Just what is your top end? 
>Bernie
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:25:54 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: what is html?

There are those with more info than me, but HTML is short for Hypertext
Markup Language, an offshoot of the MTML Military Markup Language which was
used by the US Dept. Of Defense as the standard language for those who
wanted to sell into the military. 

Smartly, the DOD didn't want to be beholden to any single software mfr so
they established their own standards to which vendors had to adhere. Along
the way the scientific community began communicating in HTML and it was
established as the standard for the ARPA and DARPA (Advanced Research
Projects and Defense Advance Research Projects) networks which preceded and
eventually became what is now known as the Internet. 

I may be off here & there, but that's my understanding from my brother who
is deep into this stuff. For about 15 years. 

Sorry to be off topic, but it's relevant in that we can all share Olds info
via links that were originally established primarily for research and
military purposes.

A peacetime dividend to be sure.
cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rocket409@juno.com [mailto:rocket409@juno.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 7:41 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: what is html?
> 
> 
> What is html other than what I see at the end of an internet address?  Is
this when I see things such as: 
 
This is a mulit-part message in MIME format and other such mysterious
things?

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:25:40 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: replacement for jetaway

I just did this swap on a 65 Olds Cutlass, and Im still trying to diagnose the
speedometer cable gear problem. 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:32:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: what is html?

Hello Ray... how are you? 

HTML eh... 

Well... you know all those web pages that you see on the internet... well
they are all written in html... it's what makes them do the cool things
they do.  html is an acronym for hyper-text markup language.  It is really
a type of computer language... but different in that one doesn't need to  
compile html using special software.  The code in html is made up of      
commands that cause your browser (netscape, IExplorer) to do various   
things.  For instance... the tag "<img src="cutlass.jpg"> makes the image
"cutlass.jpg" appear on a web page.  Many html tags work like light      
switches... you turn them on... they perform their function.... and then
they continue to perform their function until you turn them off.  One
example is the <table> tag.  You use it to obviously create a table.  When
you are done inputting the table's data... you must use the </table> tag
to close it.  The sentance that you noted "MIME format" etc. is actually 
part of the senders e-mail system and not part of the html... most   
e-mailers today are MIME message compliant and use this system when   
sending more than one message at a time (such as an included message or an
attachement).   The pictures that you see sent through the lists sometimes
are encoded in MIME Base 64 encoding so that they can be sent as a text
stream rather than the binary stream that they actually exist in.  Any
way... if you have any other questions about it... feel free to ask...
also... if interested I think I've got a simple description of the basic
html tags and their functions that I used when I first learned to write
html... it is enough information to write a reasonably nice internet web 
page... I can e-mail it to you if interested.  To get a view of what real
html looks like, if you are using Netscape, go to View and then select
"Page Source" while you are looking at a web page... this gives you a view
of a page's source code... you can see how many of the tags work this     
way... turning various things on and off on your browser.     

There... hopefully that didn't just confuse you further... 



On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Ray Costanzo wrote:

> What is html other than what I see at the end of an internet address?  Is
> this when I see things such as:
> This is a mulit-part message in MIME format
> 
> and other such mysterious things?
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass
> Bucks County, PA
> 
> sorry, non-olds...
> 
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    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:33:16 
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: remove me from list...

Please take me off the list.
Thanks...
Chris RL

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:27:04 EDT
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: Re: gasoline prices was: engine build

Hays, Kansas: .969 for 87 octane, .979 for 89 octane (ethanol blend), 1.069
for 91 octane.  State tax = .18/gal, fed tax = .184/gal, total tax bite =
.364/gallon.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:04:54 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)

Ray Costanzo wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:55 +0100 Matt Cremean
> <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu> writes:
> Not to pick on anyone, but I don't understand questions sucj as this.  Of
> course the seats will fit.  Virtually any seat from any car will fit in
> another car, as long as yo're willing to make them fit.
> Of course if you don't want to drill holes through floorboards or weld
> studs in, then I apologize for my stupidity!

OKAY OKAY!!! Sorry Ray! Didn't mean to ask a stupid question!!! Sheesh!
I was really asking "would the dimensions of the seats fit the car?" Or
"what would I have to do to make them fit?" I honestly don't know a damn
thing about seats or swapping seats or changing benches to buckets! Cut
me some slack, huh?!

Sorry, didn't get much sleep last night....
- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:50:12 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Fw: gasoline prices was: engine build

- ----------
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: gasoline prices was: engine build
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 4:46 PM
> 
> On gas prices!
> Everytime CNN or the newspaper runs a story about wholesale or crude oil
> prices dropping to new lows our gas prices around here go up about 15 to
20
> cents a gal. Been watching this phenomena for the last 5 years, and
within
> one to two days, bam, big price jump, goes back down in a week or two
but,
> "go figure"
> Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
> 

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:59:27 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: 1950 Olds 88

Donna, 
Believe it had a Olds emblem, The World with a ring around the center, like
Saturn(the Planet), and just a key hole below it, Rocket over on left side
of trunk lid. Hope thats right. Have a book on cars from thirties to the
sixties, many pix. Can't find the book right now. Wife filed it, know it's
here somewhere. Will have her look and reply to list.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	Donna Swope <dswope@ix.netcom.com>
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 1950 Olds 88
> 
> I am looking for pictures of the 1950 Olds 88 on the internet -- does
> anyone have any suggestions?    Also, can anyone tell me if the '50 Olds
> 88 had a trunk handle?  or just open with a key?   where are parts
> available for restoration projects?  Thanks!!!

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:04:44 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale

Karl, 
Like in eight 2bbl Rochester's, Hell yes, need an alum intake to start
with. No way to cast one, at least here, can inert gas weld and have access
to one.
Lou
- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 2:12 PM

> Anybody know of performance intakes for the DRCE?
> Like tripower, quad-power (4x2!), single or dual 4v tunnel ram.
> 
> Hey!
> Lou Biggs!
> 
> You were willing to propose fabricating an EFI intake/cylinder head for a
'39
> Stearman!
> 
> Wanna help Karl build a true 8-pack for a normal (or mabbe DRCE) BB?
> 
> Quintuple tunnel ram!!!!
> 
> Arrh-arrrrr-arhhhh!!
> SOM
> 
> &KA
> ICQ #20414415
> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
> http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:10:47 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: gasoline prices was: engine build

Sorry, hit the button twice, there goes the bandwidth. This helps too.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:09:21 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 8 track player

actually does anyone know what a u63 deluxe radio is? (70 442 conv)

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:17:47 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)

Hehe, yeah you have to be creative.  I got power leather buckets from an 87 
Chrysler LeBaron to fit in my 72 Cutlass,
and that was using the Chrysler brackets..little hammer and bend and it was 
all good :-)

Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay

>Not to pick on anyone, but I don't understand questions sucj as this.  Of
>course the seats will fit.  Virtually any seat from any car will fit in
>another car, as long as yo're willing to make them fit.
>Of course if you don't want to drill holes through floorboards or weld
>studs in, then I apologize for my stupidity!

>>Anyone know if these'd fit in a '70 A-body with a bench?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:18:37 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 8 track player

> actually does anyone know what a u63 deluxe radio is? (70 442 conv)
> 

U63 AM push button radio.  $69.51 option.  U58 AM/FM Stereo was 238.02
which included U80 rear bi-phonic speaker.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:25:05 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Wrote to CAR CRAFT

I just received my new issue of Car Craft (November).  At the end of the
"Point Of View" section on page 7, they kindly ask to give them feedback
about what we think a 'budget street machine' is.  So I gave them my
opinion.  Used my car as an example, big '80s Delta, BB powered, etc..  I
said that these cars are plentiful and can be found in good shape for dirt
cheap.  I also reminded them that 'budget buildups' should not be ONLY based
on SB Chevy.  Used their "build an engine for $499" article from last month
as an example.  I said that what cost them $499 to do on a 350 Chev could
cost them $899 for a Pontiac or Olds.  I think that everyone here should
mail them their opinions on what a budget buildup is and use your Oldses as
examples.  I hope that this may give them some good ideas (like budget 403
olds with 7a heads).  Suggested to them that a Heavy Metal III or IV should
be a BB Delta or Buick or Puncho, but not a Impala again.  Their e-mail is:
carcraft@petersenpub.com .  What do you think?

Igor Todorovic, UofC, Calgary, Alberta

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23 posi)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

igor455@home.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:33:04 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O

I have one......'76 Cutlass S w/nary an original part on her. ;-)

At 01:38 AM 10/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>How many people have 73 - 77 cutlass's and H/O's?  I'm trying to compile a
>list of the 70's guys. Maybe even startup a seperate list for them.  Let me
>know if this sounds good to anyone. 
>
>Keith
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:44:51 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: replacement for jetaway

At 05:25 PM 10/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I just did this swap on a 65 Olds Cutlass, and Im still trying to diagnose
the
>speedometer cable gear problem. 
> 

When I Swapped out my 2 speed I put the speedo drive gear 
from the jetaway onto the TH350.

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:49:13 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: help idintify N.O.S. parts

 anyone have knowledge on NOS parts

have 3 truck loads  needs info

parts from 70's to 90's    jeff  olds guy ga

770  723-9345

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:56:05 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Need 3.42/3.73 gear help

Can any of the list members running a 3.42 or 3.73 gears tell me what their
tach reading is at 60 mph? I need your tire size, too. Please email me
privately.

Thanks,

Jon

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:07:04 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: electric fuel pumps

> << Hi list.  I'd like to hear opinions about electric fuel pumps.  I've
>  > used Holley (not good) and Carter ones in the past.  I liked the Carter,
>  > but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a truly quiet pump.  Thanks...
>  >  >>
> how about getting one for a injected buick grand national?

        Hi,

        First, it's good to be back.  Just got back from four days in New York
City and three days in Chicago.  All I saw for cars was an early '70's Skylark 
in
New York and a '72 Cutlass in Chicago.  This job keeps me traveling.  Anyway, 
on
to the subject at hand.
        I'd be real hesitant about using a fuel pump for an injected vehicle 
on a
carbureted engine.  My understanding is that pumps for injection push fuel at a
much higher, as in way higher, pressure than a pump for a carburetor.  I'm not
sure you could even get a regulator that would compensate.
        I had a friend a couple of years ago who used an OEM electric pump for
some foreign carbureted car (can't remember what kind) in his street rod.  He 
was
running a Chevy 350 in a '48 Dodge truck (not my idea) that he planned to chop.
The engine was modified a bit.  It ran 10.5:1 compression, mildly radical cam,
Edelbrock Performer, Holley carb, and low budget headers and glass packs.
Anyway, as I remember the pump ran very quietly and it fed his engine just 
fine.


- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:07:32 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Gas prices: was  engine build

Prices here in Georgia are about that: .87 - 1.10 (at least by my 
house). I believe the 

prices are driven mostly by the local tax structure. 

Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA
- ----Original Message Follows----

Edward Binnix wrote:

> The crowd applauds! Here, here, there's no replacement for 
displacement.
> More power (ugh,ugh), insignificant weight gain, slight mileage 
reduction,
> gasoline @ .84-1.07 per gallon. Go with the cubes!

Where in the world do you get gas that cheap!  In Southern California we
add
$0.20 to $0.30 a gallon on top of those figures.

- -- 
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:09:01 -0400
From: Chris <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: calendar

Hello - does anyone know if there is such a thing as a calendar that
specializes in Oldsmobile pictures - preferably  60's and 70's?  I am
looking for one for an Xmas present.

Thanks Chris

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:19:33 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DRCE intakes 

Lou, 

What kind of manifold do you start with for a job like that? A custom 
tri-power 

manifold on a later model motor would be VERY cool. 

Norm Baier
- ----Original Message Follows----
From:	"Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To:	<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
Date:	Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:04:44 -0500
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Karl, 
Like in eight 2bbl Rochester's, Hell yes, need an alum intake to start
with. No way to cast one, at least here, can inert gas weld and have 
access
to one.
Lou
- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 2:12 PM

> Anybody know of performance intakes for the DRCE?
> Like tripower, quad-power (4x2!), single or dual 4v tunnel ram.
> 
> Hey!
> Lou Biggs!
> 
> You were willing to propose fabricating an EFI intake/cylinder head 
for a
'39
> Stearman!
> 
> Wanna help Karl build a true 8-pack for a normal (or mabbe DRCE) BB?
> 
> Quintuple tunnel ram!!!!
> 
> Arrh-arrrrr-arhhhh!!
> SOM
> 
> &KA
> ICQ #20414415
> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
> http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html



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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:44:12 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: NSCA Oct 24/25 Columbus meet

Al,

How about hitting the Columbus meet this week end. I'll be there with couple
others from Detroit. ??

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:48:19 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Wrote to CAR CRAFT

just sent my letter as well, thanks for the idea

- -----Original Message-----
>
>I just received my new issue of Car Craft (November).  At the end of the
>"Point Of View" section on page 7, they kindly ask to give them feedback
>about what we think a 'budget street machine' is.  So I gave them my
>opinion.  Used my car as an example, big '80s Delta, BB powered, etc..  I
>said that these cars are plentiful and can be found in good shape for dirt
>cheap.  I also reminded them that 'budget buildups' should not be ONLY
based
>on SB Chevy.  Used their "build an engine for $499" article from last month
>as an example.  I said that what cost them $499 to do on a 350 Chev could
>cost them $899 for a Pontiac or Olds.  I think that everyone here should
>mail them their opinions on what a budget buildup is and use your Oldses as
>examples.  I hope that this may give them some good ideas (like budget 403
>olds with 7a heads).  Suggested to them that a Heavy Metal III or IV should
>be a BB Delta or Buick or Puncho, but not a Impala again.  Their e-mail is:
>carcraft@petersenpub.com .  What do you think?
>
>Igor Todorovic, UofC, Calgary, Alberta
>
>1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23 posi)
>1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
>
>igor455@home.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:57:10 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine build

In a message dated 10/20/98 10:07:51 AM EST, Padavano.Joe@orbital.com writes:

<< Joe Padavano
 padavano.joe@orbital.com
 
 66 442
 68 W-30
 69 H/O
 69 442
 70 W-30 >>

Joe

Are any of your cars ragtops?
Just wonderin!

Monkey

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:53:57 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1559

I have a 75 Olds Delta 88. I need interior and a dash. A dash from a '74-'76
will fit also.

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:35:38 -0500
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Olds List Centennial Video

Hi folks,
              If you've already ordered, thanks again.  (Shameless plug
follows.)  Still have a few copies remaining, and they would make great
holiday gifts for that Olds fan on your list.    :-) 

             I've worked in television for a little over ten years, and
produced my fair share of weddings, fraternity rush videos, and high
school graduation videos.  During the Olds Centennial last August, some
of the list members took their cameras, and shot a load of video of all
the beautiful cars on display.  Since I didn't get to attend, I
volunteered to dub their raw video and edit it together into an Olds
e-mail list video scrapbook.  Tape was mastered on DVC, (Digital Video
Cassette) so you don't experience the video generation loss like you do
when dubbing VHS to VHS.  This is not a tape of corporate self-praise,
and I'm not affiliated with Olds, GM, or any other group that produced
tapes.  This is strictly a car video for car guys and ladies.  There's
no narration:  every shot is edited to music.  It contains 16 songs,
including Kathy Mattea's "455 Rocket" and Jackie Brenston and the Delta
Cats' "Rocket 88".  Total running time is 1:01:55.  You'll see some cars
owned by list members, as well as a few list members themselves.  (Greg
Beaulieu, Bryce Smith, Jim Chermack, plus Helen Earley and James
Walkinshaw, co-authors of "Setting the Pace".  Plus numerous shots of
Linda Vaughn, Miss Hurst Golden Shifter.)  Cost is $20.00 U.S., personal
check or money order.  This includes postage.  If you do decide to
order, please include your e-mail address with your order so I can
contact you when I ship your video.  (All orders go out the day payment
is received, except Saturday.)  Snail-mail address follows, and I look
forward to hearing from anyone interested.  If you have any questions,
please e-mail me privately to keep list traffic down.  Thanks for your
time.

Doug Newman        OCA # 30311
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

1987 442

newmand@wcbi.com

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:26:05 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: replacement for jetaway

Been watching the thread a little bit and have a question for the
experienced....My 56 has the Jetaway-Hydramatic with the suicide shifter
(reverse is last).  Anyway, I'm not happy with the shift points, there is no
vacume modulator of course, and I wonder if a 350 tranny would bolt up to a
Jetaway that old.  The engine is bored .60 up and the rearend was just gone
through so maybe it's time for a better tranny.  The torque converter has the
flyteeth all around it and most all 350 trannys I have seen had the converter
seperate from the fly wheel......Is this an impossability on my car with the
324 motor?  Is the starter going to be a problem along with the converter?
just anxious to do some winter shop work....


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:50:10 EDT
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O

73 HURSTOLDS
74 CUTLASS S  TRIPLE BLACK, FULLY LOADED, 455, ALL ORIGINAL
77  442 RACECAR  ( being built)
DENNIS GREGORY          W451973@AOL.COM

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:59:25 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: seat clarification

So, the seats that I'm offering to sell are from a FWD Calais.  They are
grey and are in decent shape.  There are not brand new, nor are they an
eyesore.  I woulld advise against anyone's spending the money to have
them shipped.  These seats, or similar, are easily found all over. 
Hopefully someone n the Perkasie area will want them, but it y'all's
call.  My number is (215) 453-0773 in the evening, edt.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:57:04 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: computer failure

Lost all mail from today because the damn laptop froze up again!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:05:40 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: replacement for jetaway

>Is this an impossability on my car with the
>324 motor?  Is the starter going to be a problem along with the converter?
>just anxious to do some winter shop work....

I know the pre-'64 engines use a different bolt pattern.

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:08:34 EDT
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1950 Olds 88

I am looking for pictures of the 1950 Olds 88 on the internet -- does
anyone have any suggestions?
I haven't found any!

   Also, can anyone tell me if the '50 Olds 88 had a trunk handle?  or just
open with a key?   
It just opens with the key, but the world emblem is used as sort of a handle.

  where are parts available for restoration projects?  Thanks!!!
Try Fusicks, I think you will find a link to them at 442.com.

Hope this helps

Ernie Johnson

50 88
67 442

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:04:48 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: DRCE intakes

What kind of manifold do you start with for a job like that? A custom
tri-power manifold on a later model motor would be VERY cool.
_________

Most Pro Stockers today use hand-built intakes.  These start out with three
pieces of aluminum plate stock, welded together to fit the head intake
surfaces and the top of the block.  Tubes are fabricated from sheet stock
and welded to the base.  A plenum is formed next, followed by a top plate
for the two dominators.  The same approach could be used to fabricate just
about anything, so long as you're satisfied with a straight runner, tunnel
ram type basic manifold.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:57:44 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: DRCE intakes was: Engine for sale

Anybody know of performance intakes for the DRCE?
____________

Yes, anything you want.  All DRCE intakes are custom made.  The standard
Pro Stock setup is a dual quad tunnel ram with two Holley Dominators.  I
heard that Warren Johnson spends something like 40 hours porting and
blueprinting a set of carbs for one of his motors!  Wow!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:52:19 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request

Greg and Brian,

Here's my shot at some of your questions:

===========

...like why new head gaskets are thicker than
the old. You'd think it would be the other way around...
________

My guess at this one involves two things.  First, the Fel-Pro teflon
gaskets seal a whole lot better than the old solid steel shim gaskets, but
I suspect that the result is a thicker package.  Second, I think that most
replacement gaskets for all motors are a little thicker than OEM for the
60s to provide a small drop in compression for today's lower octane
gasoline.

============

...Why advertised compression ratio pistons actually never give you what
they advertise...
________

I suspect that this has to do with Oldsmobile's published 72cc combustion
chamber blueprint spec.  This is the number that you're allowed to go to
for NHRA stock racing, so the piston manufacturers rate compression with
this chamber number.  Same goes for the thin head gasket; the OEM thickness
is the one listed as the blueprint number.  It's not the piston
manufacturer's fault that most Olds heads run significantly over the 72cc
number.  Note that when I ordered the 10.5:1 pistons for my 455 last week,
the person taking the order specifically pointed out that the compression
rating was with 72cc chambers.  The piston manufacturers may actually do
this as somewhat of a safety mechanism also, as I suspect the uninitiated
engine builder may purchase higher compression pistons that he/she really
should.  Being able to brag that you have 10.5:1 and still being able to
buy gas for the car has some benefits.  Also, NHRA blueprint specs list the
dish size and call that 10.5:1.

============

...due to reduced base-circle cams...
________

The problem here is that the lobe must physically pass through the cam
bearings to install the cam in the block.  Obviously the cam grinder has a
hard upper limit on the height of the lobe peak, so the only degree of
freedom left is reducing the base circle.  If it's any consolation, this
applies to _all_ brands of V-8s, not just Olds motors.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:28:34 -0400
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O

Hey, Dennis,

Any particulars on the '77 racecar?

At 09:50 PM 10/20/98 EDT, you wrote:
>73 HURSTOLDS
>74 CUTLASS S  TRIPLE BLACK, FULLY LOADED, 455, ALL ORIGINAL
>77  442 RACECAR  ( being built)
>DENNIS GREGORY          W451973@AOL.COM
>
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:28:27 -0500
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 73 - 77 Cutlass & H/O

Keith:

I have a '76 Cutlass Salon (350)

Barb

Joeytada@aol.com wrote:

> How many people have 73 - 77 cutlass's and H/O's?  I'm trying to compile a
> list of the 70's guys. Maybe even startup a seperate list for them.  Let me
> know if this sounds good to anyone.
>
> Keith

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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:10:38 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1.7 ratio rockers

I do believe you'd mess up rocker geometry. The tip of the rocker would hit
the valve stem way over on the edge, instead of just off center. Maybe even
get caught on the edge and bend valves.
__________

While you're correct that the different ratio will change the rocker
geometry, and thus require adjustable rockers, you don't need to change the
pivot-to-valve stem dimension to get a different ratio.  You can accomplish
the same thing by shortening the pivot-to-pushrod dimension.  Obviously,
this may require enlarging the pushrod holes in the head, but it solves the
valve stem problem.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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