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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, October 16 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1555



Re: engine weight
For Sale: '76 D88 tail lights
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Re: (no subject)
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
RE: Cruise Control Fix?
Re: (no subject)
RE: Delcotron
More Optikleen
Re: Olds Blues
Need parts
Re: Cruise Control Fix?
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
selling my '71 conv. in Pensacola Fl.
Thanks
'71 conv. for sale: $7950
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Re: engine weight
Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
Re: 70 heads
Re:72 Heads, no longer 70 heads
Re: (no subject)
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Re: engine weight
Re: Olds Blues
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Rings
Re: Parting out 84 H/O
Re: More Optikleen
Re: Parting out 84 H/O
didn't do this right , did i?
Transmission ID #
possible parting out (70 cs)
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Re: Delcotron
Re: possible parting out (70 cs)
OldsLink Revised!
Re: year 2000 countdown
Re: engine weight
Re: Parting out 84 H/O
Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
Gutless Cutlass??
Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
New Olds Engine
UNBOUNCE: '61 Starfire Trans ID
UNBOUNCE: selling my '71 conv. in Pensacola Fl.
Re: year 2000 countdown
Re: Gutless Cutlass??
Re: Gutless Cutlass??
Re: Gutless Cutlass??
Re: 455 performance 
Re: Gutless Cutlass??
Re: Olds Blues
Re: '66 tripower carbs
need source for jetaway pan gasket
Re: possible parting out (70 cs)
power tour site change
Remove from list
Re: need source for jetaway pan gasket
Non-Olds Humor: Metro Racing (long)
Cowl color?
RE: New Olds Engine

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:18:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: engine weight

> I would like to agree with all the rest of you in
> saying buy the strongest stand you can find!

Also get the biggest-diameter wheels on it you can find.
An engine stand with engine attached is pretty top-heavy,
and a rock the size of a pea can stop a small wheel dead,
at which point the entire assembly tips over. A bigger
diameter wheel will simply roll right over it, useful for
rolling stuff around on gritty or cracked floors.

- -- Andy 

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:31:39 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: For Sale: '76 D88 tail lights

I have a set of '76 Delta 88 tail lights.  From what I can see, there is no
scraches or cracks on either one.  They are in good shape, came of my old
'76 DRB that I got for parts (455 core, th400,etc).  I am asking $15 US for
each or $25 for both +shipping.  I live in Calgary, Alberta.  If anyone is
interested, e-mail me private at igor455@home.com .

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:42:55 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

It has always been my experience with cast rings, that they do
>burn a little oil until they seat, and this is visible in the exhaust.

Althought I only put on about 500 miles on my 455, initial cam break in, 35
to 40 miles later I changed the oil/filter and then changed oil/filter at
150 miles, now I will change it again.  I experienced no oil burning or
smoke out of tailpipe.  They are cast rings and I don't know if they sat
properly.  Motor seems to make tons of power and oil level always stays
full.  I had a first rebuilt Q-jet get its secondaries stuck open on me on
the cars first WOT (20 miles from home, at 2AM in the country).  It was a
wild ride home.  I thought that this would have screwed something up, but
with second carb now(boy did I give them hell), car seems to run fine.  How
do I know if my rings sat.  The car already saw a FEW WOT, so I figure that
they are okay by now.  Hmm.  Help.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:33:28 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

>I'm not very knowlageable on Olds. or domestic cars at all, but I'm
>looking for some help. I have a '67 Cutlass Supreme here with a 442
>10.5 to 1 compression ratio. I'm looking for heads. It's very confusing
>with A,B,C, ect.. heads avalible. Can anybody tell me what heads I >need or
how to identify the heads I have.

Gary,

At the risk of loosing my recently won award for total stupidity :-), your
67 would have come with C-heads. To check your heads look by the #1 or #8
(#1 is easier) spark plug hole. You will find a letter denoting which heads
you have. C's were available from 67 to 69, the casting number is 394548 and
your 442 should have the larger (2.072") exhaust valves. 80 cc chambers if
you want to know also.

I have a pair of C- heads on my 72 H/O, temporarily. Soon as I find a set of
Ga heads the C's are going on the 455 that'll be going in my Cutlass.

Hope this helped,
Randy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:40:03 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

Hot damn.........I won....I won!!  LOL

I learned two things today........Now I know what a Delcotron is and I
haven't lost the ability to BS!!!!!

My wife says I'm shy...........Wait till she see's I won an (international
?)award for being a fool. ;) And I'm not giving it back with the next
correct answer I give. ;-)

LMAO,
Randy

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:57:41 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Cruise Control Fix?

On Thursday, October 15, 1998 4:16 PM, JJP442@aol.com [SMTP:JJP442@aol.com] 
wrote:
> Jason,
> The rod that goes from the carb to the c/c diaphram passes thru a hole in the
> "v" shaped bracket that comes with the c/c diaphram...

Thanks for the advice.  In fact, I just got back home from performing this 
routine and there's no 
difference.  It's still dragging along the manifold just as before, so I'll 
try to hang it up 
somehow...

Has anyone had a "jumpy" cruise control?  It feels like it's sticking 
somewhere.  Like I said, it 
*does* drag along the intake manifold, but I don't know if that's the true 
problem.  Would a cruise 
control that abruptly applies and lets go of the throttle (not all the time, 
though) indicate that 
I need a new controler/module/soleniod or whatever?

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:01:21 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Hi Gary,	
	if you have not done so then go to Drew's VIN decoder at
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/ and check that the VIN
is
correct for a Supreme with the 442 option.  After that you
can
look for you engine code by the oil filler tube.  If you
can't 
find the code go to Karl's page at
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/ he has a picture of
what
you're looking for (his is the large A).  The drivers side
head 
will have a letter above the exhaust manifold by the #1
cylinder 
(front) that identifies it.  I believe they should be a C.  
According to the FAQ C's are the best flowing and easy to
find.

	The Olds mobile FAQ can be found at
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm and it will tell you
all
this and much more.

	A '67 442 convertible is reasonably rare and the 442 is 
the most collectable Olds so that's a great start.  The
value will 
depend on condition.  Does everything work and is it
original?
Do all the number match?  What options does it have?  Is it
a
4 speed car?  Etc.

	Welcome to the club.
	
gary snyder wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>     I'm not very knowlageable on Olds. or domestic cars at all, but I'm
> looking for some help. I have a '67 Cutlass Supreme here with a 442
> 10.5 to 1 compression ratio. I'm looking for heads. It's very confusing
> with A,B,C, ect.. heads avalible. Can anybody tell me what heads I need
> or how to identify the heads I have. It's a convertable and I'm also
> wondering about it's value. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> Gary Snyder

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
'69 442/400/th400/3.23p (Kermit) wish I had a convertible!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:58:50 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Delcotron

On Thursday, October 15, 1998 7:28 AM, RANDY A GEISEL 
[SMTP:RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net] wrote:
> >Extra credit: What is a "Delcotron"?

Isn't a Delcotron an alternator?  Did I miss the joke and/or just make an @ss 
of myself?  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:20:36 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: More Optikleen

Got the following off the Goodwrench.com web page.  You can still get it
(albeit, in a round plastic bottle now).

     Optikleen

         An unique,
         highly-concentrated
         formulation designed for
         washer systems. Cleans
         down to the glass
         without smearing or
         streaking.


        32 oz.
        Part no. 1051515

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:48:52 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

><< Well I have some very dissappointing news.  I can not afford (or rather,
>out bid)the 1973 Omega to whom I devoted a web page. Sigh!  >>


There's plenty o' Olds' out there, one's got your name on it somewhere.
Besides, Omega's look too much like Nova's. I had one, wouln't want another.

drc

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:49:24 EDT
From: Ondacouch@aol.com
Subject: Need parts

I have recently acquired a 1972 Olds 98 (i have had several in the past) and
need sevearl parts.  This is a four door hardtop.

Need: Driver's interior door panel, black
          Decklid
          Rear bumper
          Right side rear view door mirror
          Right fender skirt

   If you have any of these, please include price.

Bill

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:55:57 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control Fix?

>Has anyone had a "jumpy" cruise control?  It feels like it's sticking
somewhere.  Like I said, it
>*does* drag along the intake manifold, but I don't know if that's the true
problem.  Would a cruise
>control that abruptly applies and lets go of the throttle (not all the
time, though) indicate that
>I need a new controler/module/soleniod or whatever?


There's usually a vacuum line to a switch on the brake pedal, that vents the
cruise servo when you brake. If the hose or switch is intermittant, it could
cause funky cruise behavior.

drc

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:25 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:
> 
> It has always been my experience with cast rings, that they do
> >burn a little oil until they seat, and this is visible in the exhaust.
> 
> Althought I only put on about 500 miles on my 455, initial cam break in, 35
> to 40 miles later I changed the oil/filter and then changed oil/filter at
> 150 miles, now I will change it again.  I experienced no oil burning or
> smoke out of tailpipe.  They are cast rings and I don't know if they sat
> properly.  Motor seems to make tons of power and oil level always stays
> full.  I had a first rebuilt Q-jet get its secondaries stuck open on me on
> the cars first WOT (20 miles from home, at 2AM in the country).  It was a
> wild ride home.  I thought that this would have screwed something up, but
> with second carb now(boy did I give them hell), car seems to run fine.  How
> do I know if my rings sat.  The car already saw a FEW WOT, so I figure that
> they are okay by now.  Hmm.  Help.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 
> 1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
> 1981 Regency 98 (307/2004r/propane)
> 1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)


If you are not getting any visible oil smoke in the exhaust and the oil
level is remaining constant (the motor isn't comsuming oil) then the
rings have seated. Keep in mind that ring seating is given in terms of
average. The individual makeup of each engine (tolerances) is the main
factor of when the rings actaully seat.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:03:35 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: selling my '71 conv. in Pensacola Fl.

Okay, I've decided to sell my car.  Located in Pensacola Florida.

Blue '71 cutlass supreme convertible.  $8150 obo

Highlights:  Ram air hood, Hurst dual gate shifter, high performance
350, TH-350, 3.08 posi, Rally wheels with new 245 Goodyear's, aluminum
dash panel with autometer gauges, full poly bushing suspension, H-O
racing springs and sway bars, Hotckis rear suspension.  New GM quarter
panels and doorskins are included.  The full A/C system and a 455
shortblock are available.

I've easily spent $18,000 over the past 7 years I've owned it.  My
parents are the original owners.  Mechanically, the car has only
45,000 miles on it.  I've replaced just about every moving part.

The engine, tranny, rear axle, and full braking system were done in
'93 along with the interior.  The car was painted last January but has
rusted quarter panels.

Details:

350 engine: forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, Crane Cam, Comp. Cams
roller rocker kit, Edelbrock intake and carb, K&N, air/fuel ratio
meter, headers, dual 2 1/4" aluminized pipes with crossover and
cutouts, MSD6AL/HEI ignition system, Holley fuel pump with regulator
and stainless braided lines, high output alternator, aluminum water
pump.

in '93 replaced: brakes: rotors, lines, pads, bearings, rear drums,
shoes, etc.  Power brake booster, steering box, master cylinder,
radiator, heater core, windshield, chrome door handles, window
sweepers, window crank mechanisms, 1/4 chrome strips, bucket seat
backs, tail-lenses and backup lights.

3.08 10 bolt rear end with auburn heavy duty limited slip unit.

CD player with 6 speakers

This car is mechanically sound, but needs quarter panels installed and
a new convertible top.

I'm in the military and can't afford the time to keep up with the car.

email me for more info.

greg
zimmermangm@msn.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:14:44 -0700
From: gary snyder <gary@saaborama.com>
Subject: Thanks

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question. Cliff I checked the vin
and it maches what I have got. The car is very stock and in nice shape.
112 on the speedo, 442.  The interior is perfect with roll up windows,
Electric top (not sure if that was a option or not), the car has AC and
cruise control. It's black with original paint, one owner, It has slight
rocker rust, but no major rust anywere. It has what apear to be factory
luvers in the hood. Original spare tire, owners manual. The one bumer is
that it's a auto on the tree. Any info is apreciated.
Thanks Gary

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:30:14 -0400
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: '71 conv. for sale: $7950

Sorry, I typed the wrong price.  I'm asking $7950, not $8150.

- -greg
zimmermangm@msn.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:31:49 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Well according to MOndello he states tha it takes awhile for plasma moly
rings to seat. Longer than normal iron rings.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 12:51 PM
> 
> > I disagree with this completely. The reason racers like to run moly
> rings is because they seat very very quickly. I installed plasma moly
> rings in my 350 when it was rebuilt, we spun the motor over several
> times by hand and you could hear the rings seat. (here goes the email
> wars) The motor got a little more difficult to spin over and the tone
> deepened a little. It is my belief that plasma moly rings are seated by
> the time you have finished the initial cam break in.
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Supreme

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:52:56 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: engine weight

560 pounds at sea level

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:16:53 EDT SHELTERMEN@aol.com writes:
>Does anyone know what the typical 350 weighs.  I'm looking at engine 
>stands
>and trying to figure out if I need one rated at 750lbs or 1250lbs.  
>Thanks
>
>Tim
>'68 Delmont
>'76 Cutlass Street STock
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:34:11 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

WHERE?!?!?!?!
 So. Cal. I assume, but please let it be known.  Thanks.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:48:15 EDT Socalolds@aol.com writes:
>I'm parting out an 84 H/O.  The car has t-tops and is complete. 
>
>Also Have 4 68 H/Os complete willing to sell. No post cars 3 A/c and 
>one non.
>
>E mail me privately
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:24:36 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: 70 heads

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:14:55 -0700 Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
writes:

>
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>So I've seen adds for this place before, where in Car Craft?  
Pretty cool, now how about "Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do in addition
to 87 Cutlasses too!"
:>

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:14:50 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re:72 Heads, no longer 70 heads

Wait a minute, 
So, my 7a's don't have 2.072" intake valves?  Damn it!  Any
recommendations for a good head swap for my 403?!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:55:44 +0000 Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
writes:
>
>>All 1972 350's use #7A heads.
>>All have 1.880" intake valves and 1.622" exhausts.
>>
>
>These 7a heads ("a" meaning unleaded heads) 
>shouln't be confused with late 7A 307 heads.
>
>this is preatty easy to do if the heads are of the engine.
>little a= good, big a= bad :)
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:39:18 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Gary, the 67 442 convertibles are the least desirable cars ever made in
America.  I'll take it off your hands for a (generous) hundred bucks.  

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:41:27 -0700 gary snyder <gary@saaborama.com>
writes:
>Hello,
>
>    I'm not very knowlageable on Olds. or domestic cars at all, but 
>I'm
>looking for some help. I have a '67 Cutlass Supreme here with a 442
>10.5 to 1 compression ratio. I'm looking for heads. It's very 
>confusing
>with A,B,C, ect.. heads avalible. Can anybody tell me what heads I 
>need
>or how to identify the heads I have. It's a convertable and I'm also
>wondering about it's value. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks
>Gary Snyder
>
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:22:03 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Is what true?
That you have to allow time for the rings to seat?  Yes.  How long, I
personally don't know.  Mine were fine after a good 2600 mile cross
country drive a few days after I rebuilt the engine.  Also, break in
periods are a thing of the past according to the way old and experienced
engine builder that built my bottom end...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:25:41 -0500 "Peter Landowski"
<PETTRIX@prodigy.net> writes:
>I have a 455 with about 2100 miles on it. I have the plasma moly rings 
>on
>it. I was told that it takes about 3000 miles for those rings to seat
>completely. I check my oil level and it may be a 1/2 quart low after 
>about
>1000 miles. Is this true?
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:04:05 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: engine weight

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:23:24 -0500 (EST) Clayton Pierce
<zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu> writes:
Holy shift!  Yeah, screw the three legged ones!  I think I'll go for four
if I ever get one, woudn't want an engine to rest on my lower torso or
anything!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

>3 leg again if I was paid to!  Somehow I got lucky... managed to catch 
>the
>full weight of a 350 and TH400... slowed it down enough where neither 
>was
>damaged... and managed to get out of the way before it squished me...
>though one of the legs on the stand got me in the leg... suprised it
>didn't break my leg!  As it was... I had a bad bruise for a while!
>
>3 leg is good for a short block... but get a 4-leg for anything 
>heavier!
>
>I'm not trying to put you down or anything... just sharing my 
>experience!
>
>
>
>
>    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
>   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
>  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
> |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
> |  |  |     
> |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
> | / \ |     
> |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   
>  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
>   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
>    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
>	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
>		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
>     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH200M)
>		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
>	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
>		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
>		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html
>
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:14:18 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

Don't feel too bad.  Another car (Olds) will come along you like more.  I
had an 86 that I had all kinds of plans for before it got totaled by a
Falcon.  Then I bought an 81 with a 78 350 and T400 and a (ha ha!)
hoodscoop.  I thought this car was great, and I wanted to do all kids of
things to it.  I was at a junkyard looking for a console for the 81 when
I saw the a picture of my current car hanging in the office.  So by
losing one car, I got a better one, and by wanting to improve this better
one, I got the supreme Supreme.  I'd only give up my 87 now for an 88
Cutlass Classic that I could easily build identical in every way to my
87.  Or for a Grand National, sorry...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:47:48 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

List members,

I know from recent conversations with Karen Smith at Dave Smith Engineering
that the cylinders need to be honed for the specific ring combination.  We
have a back up 350 that we're freshening up and I called her to order some
parts.  I was going to go with some moly rings on a slight honing of the old
cylinders, that used to have cast rings in them.  She said that wasn't
recommended, especially since we can slightly see the old hone marks in the
cylinders.  I believe the grit of the honing stones and possibly the angle of
the hone marks determine the type of rings.  And then again, I could be
wrong..........

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Rings

     On the subject of rings, I have always used the same type the
factory used: moly-filled top rings, and iron 2nd rings. These top
rings have a 'groove' cut in the face into which moly is inserted
during the manufacturing process. If you look at the sealing face of
the ring you can see the duller moly in the middle and the shiny iron
at the top and bottom. 
     On some of the Olds motors I have disassembled you can still see
the some of the moly in the top rings; sometimes the rings wear enough
that the face is worn to just smooth iron. Check it out next time you
tear down an original motor!
     I believe the type of moly ring discussed in some of the previous
posts has just moly sprayed on the whole sealing surface....I could be
wrong. 



   
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:17:59 -0400
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/O

<Snip>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:14:19 EDT
From: MegaDelta@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

<GJC>

Wouldn't be a Lightning rod shifter + console there, would they?

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:26:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: More Optikleen

Actually it's fairly interesting to get your hands on a Goodwrench
supplies catalog. All sorts of stuff, from umpteen varieties of touch-up
paint to assembly lubes, various engine chemicals, glues, cleaners,
greases and oils, shims, washers, all sorts of goodies that presumably
get used mostly in dealer service departments, since they don't seem to
promote them much to the general public. An amazing variety of products.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:58:04 -0500
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/O

At 08:17 PM 10/15/98 -0400, you wrote:

><<Snip>

>

>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:14:19 EDT

>From: MegaDelta@aol.com

>Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

>

><<GJC>

>

>Wouldn't be a Lightning rod shifter + console there, would they?


I must have missed the original post, but I'm curius iif you have the 
transmission cable bracket.. Not sure what it's called but it's the part that 
has two holes for bolts attaching it to the tranny pan - and has a c clip on 
it holding the cable in place..


Thanks,







T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks

					

mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu		   


University of Oklahoma

Mechanical Engineering



"If it was put together, it can be taken apart."

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:08:53 -0500
From: john norris <jnorris@azalea.net>
Subject: didn't do this right , did i?

Have 1958 olds 88 project car for sale .Okla.   thanks   colleen

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:13:37 EDT
From: Alyzildj@aol.com
Subject: Transmission ID #

I have a 61 Starfire & the code seems to be AH 807 * . I can't seem to verify
if this is the Trans. that's suppose to be in there. Please help.

													
Mark
													
Alyzildj@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:29:15 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: possible parting out (70 cs)

i think i just aquired a 1970 cutlass suprime.  i won't know exactly until
sometime early next week.  i want to get rid of almost everything valuable and
usable.  for starts, it has a 350 4bbl, th-350, ac, front disc brakes, all
good glass, perfect dash, and lots of others.  the body is mostly worthless.
the rear bumper is in almost perfect cond w/minimal surface rust.  power
windows, front bucket seats w/console shifter, sport 4 spoke steering wheel.
only a few things i need off the car, which are minimal.  i also have some
other parts which i'm trying to get rid of.  69 350 4bbl intake, 73 350 4bbl
intake(egr), 73 q-jet carb, 73 350 pistons (8), 78 hei dist, 73 points dist,
power steering pump, brackets, alt brackets off 350.  also have 403 short
block wo/heads, mild cam.  e-mail me with requests and i'll try to give
reasonable prices.
reply to:     mikeytvb@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:14:58 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

Ken and list,

    Ken you've hit it right on the head. The engine must be honed for moly
rings with a certain stone and a certain pattern. Moly rings will seat
usually in the first 15-20 min of running. You will hear the tone of the
engine change when they do. For those assembling an engine. DO NOT soak the
pistons and rings in a bucket of oil like the old days. You will NEVER get
the moly rings to seat. Lightly oil down the cylinder walls with a lint free
rag and that's it. Remember to oil the piston pins and bearing before you
install the pistons.

Jim Chermack


- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period


>List members,
>
>I know from recent conversations with Karen Smith at Dave Smith Engineering
>that the cylinders need to be honed for the specific ring combination.  We
>have a back up 350 that we're freshening up and I called her to order some
>parts.  I was going to go with some moly rings on a slight honing of the
old
>cylinders, that used to have cast rings in them.  She said that wasn't
>recommended, especially since we can slightly see the old hone marks in the
>cylinders.  I believe the grit of the honing stones and possibly the angle
of
>the hone marks determine the type of rings.  And then again, I could be
>wrong..........
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas
>ks7racing@aol.com
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:39:59 -0700
From: "Greg Yonge" <gsyonge@pe.net>
Subject: Re: Delcotron

I too missed the joke I guess, but I know that the HEI that's on my '69 350
has Delcotron written on the top.  (Although, I must admit, I don't know if
that's a ~good~ thing or not....anyone else know?)


>Isn't a Delcotron an alternator?  Did I miss the joke and/or just make an
@ss of myself?  :-)
>
>Jason Adcock
>Blacksburg, VA
>


Greg Yonge - OCA 029415
1969 Cutlass S Covt.
 ~Complete with Delcotron~ ohhhhh Yeah!!  ;)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:16:00 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: possible parting out (70 cs)

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> i think i just aquired a 1970 cutlass suprime.  i won't know exactly until
> sometime early next week.  i want to get rid of almost everything valuable 
and
> usable.  for starts, it has a 350 4bbl, th-350, ac, front disc brakes, all
> good glass, perfect dash, and lots of others.  the body is mostly worthless.
> the rear bumper is in almost perfect cond w/minimal surface rust.  power
> windows, front bucket seats w/console shifter, sport 4 spoke steering wheel.
> only a few things i need off the car, which are minimal.  i also have some
> other parts which i'm trying to get rid of.  69 350 4bbl intake, 73 350 4bbl
> intake(egr), 73 q-jet carb, 73 350 pistons (8), 78 hei dist, 73 points dist,
> power steering pump, brackets, alt brackets off 350.  also have 403 short
> block wo/heads, mild cam.  e-mail me with requests and i'll try to give
> reasonable prices.
> reply to:     mikeytvb@aol.com

I'd like to buy a pre-EGR 4bbl manifold and carb. And maybe even the
back bumper. What kind of prices? What about the cam situation?

- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:13:34 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: OldsLink Revised!

Just wanted you fine folks to know that I finally got that revision to
OldsLink done.  Please stop by and let me know what you think, and if I've
missed anyone out there, let me know and I'll get it revised a lot sooner than
this took.  If I could only get into a habit of revising more often, these
marathon sessions at the 'puter wouldn't happen.

http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/oldslink.htm

Thanks for your patronage, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:45:42 -0700
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: year 2000 countdown

Mark Cornea (R) wrote:

> Today there is 442 days till year 2000!
>
>          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                       Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
>                           1970 W30 (red)

You have too much time on your hands!

But I still like the idea!

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:41:19 EDT
From: Edokuhl@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine weight

as igor455 sez... i too have always found,  buying the best you can afford
seems to be the best choice.............   


edo
73 delta 88

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:44:48 EDT
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/O

Tracy, I'll ck for you .It should have it.
Dennis

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:46:50 EDT
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

Ray,
I'm in central California. Clovis to be precise. Interested?

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:54:51 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Piston Rings Seating Period

In a message dated 10/16/98 12:49:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chermac@exis.net writes:

<< For those assembling an engine. DO NOT soak the
 pistons and rings in a bucket of oil like the old days. You will NEVER get
 the moly rings to seat.  >>
aaahh!  when you say never, do you mean literally NEVER, or do you mean it
will take a long time?  when i put my engine together, i sprayed the pistons
and rings (moly) with marvel mystery oil.  i thought they were seated,
but......?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 02:10:41 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Gutless Cutlass??

The other day I had the unfortunate luck to run into this @$$hole i went to
school with.   He always used to think my car wasn't cool because it was 20+
years old.  Anyway he drives some Civic or something that sounds like a
"REALLY STRONG VACUUM CLEANER" as I said to him.  Well he says that my car (72
Cutlass "S") is just a gutless Cutlass.  My car is darn near stock with
exception of HEI, 600 Holley, and Edelbrock intake.  Anyway we drove to the
local spot pulled up to the intersection and stopped for the light.  As soon
as it turned green I blew him off the line.  We were in a 45mph zone so once I
hit 60 I slowed down.  Well this guy thought he was all cool and kept going.
He had to be going around 75-80.  I thought what a moron.  Well as luck had it
he got pulled over.  I had to laugh about that.  Anyway I'm writing this to
let everybody know that I'd rather driver a gutless Cutlass than a riceburner
with a gold tip on the tale pipe!  Whats with these cars?!!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:37:05 -0700
From: "Mike Lias" <mlias@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.

What exactly is wrong/missing from it? Pretty interested.........

- ----------
>From: Socalolds@aol.com
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Parting out 84 H/Oand sell 4  complete 6/8sH/Os.
>Date: Thu, Oct 15, 1998, 9:46 PM
>

>Ray,
>I'm in central California. Clovis to be precise. Interested?
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:09:39 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: New Olds Engine

Read an article today, talked about a new Olds motor in production, the 3.5 V6,
being called the "GM Premier" engine, but nicknamed the "Shortstar" because it
so resembles the Northstar, minus a couple cylinders...  The Northstar was the
first in production, allegedly designed by Olds, and gave way to Oldsmobile's
Aurora engine.  I've fondled one of the original Northstar prototypes, and seen
it run...  Got video, too.  Many handmade parts, obviously fabricated oil pan,
way unique.  Shame the fate it saw...  But it took some abuse!!!  The Shortstar
has a few design changes, front mounted water pump, coil on plugs, and multi
chain direct drive cams.  Intake's driven off the crank, and exhaust is driven
via second chain from the intake.  Bore and stroke, as described, was typical
Olds of old, reviving that healthy pushrod V8 power feeling.  Didn't show plans
of what cars it was slated for, but the Intrigue was surmised...  With a title
of "GM Premium" I wonder if they're planning an across-the-board application
plan for this engine.  Doesn't sound like they'll be replacing the 3800, at
least yet, but it's pleasant to think of Olds motors being popular once again,
even if there aren't all that many pistons in 'em!  :)
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:15:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '61 Starfire Trans ID

Not on the list, respond to Alyzildj@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Alyzildj@aol.com
Subject: Transmission ID #

I have a 61 Starfire & the code seems to be AH 807 * . I can't seem to verify
if this is the Trans. that's suppose to be in there. Please h*lp.

Mark
Alyzildj@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:17:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: selling my '71 conv. in Pensacola Fl.

A problem with this address, now fixed, forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: selling my '71 conv. in Pensacola Fl.

Okay, I've decided to sell my car.  Located in Pensacola Florida.

Blue '71 cutlass supreme convertible.  $7950 obo

Highlights:  Ram air hood, Hurst dual gate shifter, high performance
350, TH-350, 3.08 posi, Rally wheels with new 245 Goodyear's, aluminum
dash panel with autometer gauges, full poly bushing suspension, H-O
racing springs and sway bars, Hotckis rear suspension.  New GM quarter
panels and doorskins are included.  The full A/C system and a 455
shortblock are available.

I've easily spent $18,000 over the past 7 years I've owned it.  My
parents are the original owners.  Mechanically, the car has only
45,000 miles on it.  I've replaced just about every moving part.

The engine, tranny, rear axle, and full braking system were done in
'93 along with the interior.  The car was painted last January but has
rusted quarter panels.

Details:

350 engine: forged pistons, ARP rod bolts, Crane Cam, Comp. Cams
roller rocker kit, Edelbrock intake and carb, K&N, air/fuel ratio
meter, headers, dual 2 1/4" aluminized pipes with crossover and
cutouts, MSD6AL/HEI ignition system, Holley fuel pump with regulator
and stainless braided lines, high output alternator, aluminum water
pump.

in '93 replaced: brakes: rotors, lines, pads, bearings, rear drums,
shoes, etc.  Power brake booster, steering box, master cylinder,
radiator, heater core, windshield, chrome door handles, window
sweepers, window crank mechanisms, 1/4 chrome strips, bucket seat
backs, tail-lenses and backup lights.

3.08 10 bolt rear end with auburn heavy duty limited slip unit.

CD player with 6 speakers

This car is mechanically sound, but needs quarter panels installed and
a new convertible top.

I'm in the military and can't afford the time to keep up with the car.

email me for more info.

greg
zimmermangm@msn.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:05:57 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: year 2000 countdown

Chris & Robin Miller wrote:
> 
> Mark Cornea (R) wrote:
> 
> > Today there is 442 days till year 2000!
> >
> >          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >                       Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
> >                           1970 W30 (red)
> 
> You have too much time on your hands!
> 
> But I still like the idea!
> 
> --
> Chris Miller


	Now you know why are cars cost so much!!
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                      Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
                          1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>
                     <mailto:drdecal442aol.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:00:43 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Gutless Cutlass??

Dont you also have to have a special haircut to drive a riceburner with a gold 
tip
pipe
     Butch 68 442 post
Cutw29@aol.com wrote:

> The other day I had the unfortunate luck to run into this @$$hole i went to
> school with.   He always used to think my car wasn't cool because it was 20+
> years old.  Anyway he drives some Civic or something that sounds like a
> "REALLY STRONG VACUUM CLEANER" as I said to him.  Well he says that my car 
(72
> Cutlass "S") is just a gutless Cutlass.  My car is darn near stock with
> exception of HEI, 600 Holley, and Edelbrock intake.  Anyway we drove to the
> local spot pulled up to the intersection and stopped for the light.  As soon
> as it turned green I blew him off the line.  We were in a 45mph zone so once 
I
> hit 60 I slowed down.  Well this guy thought he was all cool and kept going.
> He had to be going around 75-80.  I thought what a moron.  Well as luck had 
it
> he got pulled over.  I had to laugh about that.  Anyway I'm writing this to
> let everybody know that I'd rather driver a gutless Cutlass than a riceburner
> with a gold tip on the tale pipe!  Whats with these cars?!!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:19:04 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Gutless Cutlass??

B. Vosburgh wrote:
> 
> Dont you also have to have a special haircut to drive a riceburner with a 
gold tip
> pipe
>      Butch 68 442 post
> Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > The other day I had the unfortunate luck to run into this @$$hole i went to
[snip]
> > let everybody know that I'd rather driver a gutless Cutlass than a 
riceburner
> > with a gold tip on the tale pipe!  Whats with these cars?!!!!!

This link should explain it all.

http://www.billdeebs.pair.com/edit2.htm

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1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:35:22 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gutless Cutlass??

What amazes me even more than the pompous attitude is the ridiculous amount of
money they spend on these glorified Tonka toys (apologies to Tonka). I only
wish I had that kind of money to "waste" on a REAL car. It's like putting a
silk hat on a
pig.(apologies to pig!).

wood  

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:02:52 -0400
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: 455 performance 

>I'm a long time admirer of 442's and their siblings but I got my hands
>on a 68 442 with a 454 chebby. It runs high 13's in the 1/4 mile
>here,and it is just a smog motor with 8:1 compression and mild cam.  I
>just don't feel right about the bowtie and want a Olds 400 or, even
>better, a 455. I want equal or better performance, basically a low end
>motor with highway gears.
>
>I have a nodular crank from the original 400, along with 400 block and
>"C" casting heads.  I have also found all pulleys and accessory
>brackets. An Olds powerplant is a must, but how fast can I go with 3.08
>gears, near stock stall, and an uncut body?  I would realy like any
>advice on cam, rods, valvetrain and head mods.  
>BTW, I have nitrous and I'm not afraid to use it.
>
>I've been reading up on Olds tech, in BOP mags and Mondello literature.
>I've learned about restricting top end oil flow, but a mechanic that
>worked in an Olds dealership in 1970 told me there was also a problem
>with air bubbles forming in the oil passages and starving the front
>bearings at full noise. He said to drill a very small hole in each of
>the two plugs behind the timing chain to bleed this air off. Anybody
>heard of this?
>
What BOP mags are there?  I am new to the Olds world(more or less) and
would like more specific Olds info.  Also I am going to rebuild my 455 this
winter with stock compression and was wondering what the best lift/duration
cam would be best with stock heads.  My application is my '73 Delta.  By
the way, if you want to sell that 454 my '63 Belair would love it!!!

Jim Brady

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:07:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Gutless Cutlass??

At 02:10 AM 10/16/98 EDT, you wrote:
>The other day I had the unfortunate luck to run into this @$$hole i went to
>school with.   He always used to think my car wasn't cool because it was 20+
>years old.  Anyway he drives some Civic or something that sounds like a
>"REALLY STRONG VACUUM CLEANER" 

Hilarious! I need to write that down somewhere...

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olds Omega <oldsomega73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Blues

Matt,
I will keep the page. Put up more links and stuff, and just run it
with the Omega in mind.  Stuff happens, but heh maybe it was for the
best. I'll find something else I'm sure, and when I do I'll make sure
that I post it for you.

> ouch. that'll ruin your day. sorry to hear it, Avery. what do you want
> me to do with your link? i'd rather you keep the page and devote it to
> the possession that never was.
> 

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:55:03 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

Karl,

Good tip. It makes my cheat-sheet of notes as I head out on "the 
search". Kinda 

looking forward to it! Thanks.

Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA

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From:	KarlAune@aol.com
Date:	Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:00:41 EDT
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

In a message dated 98-10-14 16:16:05 EDT, you write:

<< Thanks for your responses. I guess I'm just trying to determine 
exactly 
 what my potential sources for the carbs might be. I read in Doug Roe's 
 book about the several different venturi sizes, all on 2G carbs. But 
 this way, armed with carb #'s, I have a place to start! >>

As Karl mentioned previously 6 different venturii sizes.

BUT the older 2-Jets with smaller throttle plates all had one venturii 
size.

Leaves the later 2-Jet people in a carb quandry (5 venturii sizes).

Look at throttle plates, too small, not that one!

K



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:07:23 -0400
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: need source for jetaway pan gasket

I'm having trouble finding a source for a jetaway pan gasket and filter
for 64 olds.  I tried napa, bumper-to-bumper, autozone, parts plus,
basically every parts store in the area...  most don't list a part 
or its listed as unavailable and unorderable.

it wouldn't have even come up, but my th350 is burnt up, and it might be
a month or two before the 200-r4 swap happens, so I though I'd recommision
the ole 2 speed.

any help is appreciated.

Doug

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:09:33 EDT
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: possible parting out (70 cs)

where are you located?  steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:13:05 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: power tour site change

For those interested I heard that the site has been changed from Rockland CC
to Anthony Wayne Park. Double check please.

wood

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:32:19 -0400
From: "john burris" <jburris1@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Remove from list

Going off from a while. Please remove from list.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:48:44 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: need source for jetaway pan gasket

>it wouldn't have even come up, but my th350 is burnt up, and it might be
>a month or two before the 200-r4 swap happens, so I though I'd recommision
>the ole 2 speed.
>
>
I got one at Shuck's (AKA checker), but they had to order it and it 
took a couple of weeks.

The jetaway is also called a turbine-300. that might help the part search.

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:17:50 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Non-Olds Humor: Metro Racing (long)

I laughed so hard when I read this...  

Here's something from the f-body list I thought you guys might enjoy....
>From a guy I know...
>
>
>I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, 3
>cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock,
>alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of
>metro
>around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by
>surprise...
>  
>I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte
>cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped
>
>at a streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I
>sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth my stiff upper lip. I
>was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane.
>
>I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition.
>
>Ford Festiva -- a late model, could be trouble.
>
>Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot
>rod, for sure.
>
>The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the
>driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my
>driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast,
>
>and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of
>seven screaming cylinders...
>
>Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three
>pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat,
>
>as smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip
>differential was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a
>yellow
>snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by
>me,
>right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a
>smile as his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot
>
>gamely in it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in
>the one-gauge (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of
>
>chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth...
>He was running a custom exhaust -- probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust ...
>maybe event cutouts! Damn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on
>the
>crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction...
>
>Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady
>high-pitched song, wound fully out. Though only a few handfuls of
>seconds
>had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the
>intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his
>shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he
>missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently
>in
>to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me
>ahead,
>now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so
>easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost*
>chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened
>over
>the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed
>us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye.
>
>He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to
>third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot
>
>circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in
>front
>of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6"
>
>chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he
>lifted a little to take the next corner.
>
>I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty
>steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in
>
>carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the
>
>left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I
>felt
>the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel
>slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up
>
>front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ...
>
>The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him
>on
>the outside, my P165/54R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the
>next
>light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my
>driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car
>meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki)
>superiority reigns!!!
>
>I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility,
>looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a
>Volkswagon Van!
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:22:28 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Cowl color?

Is the cowl color on a 69 Cutlass supposed to be body color, or the same
satin black used on a black dash and firewall. I suppose it wouldn't
matter if you were painting the car satin black - which I'm not, so I
need the advice! Thanks!

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:23:40 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: New Olds Engine

On Friday, October 16, 1998 5:10 AM, Oldsmagnet [SMTP:buehner@lyrea.com] wrote:
>
> of "GM Premium" I wonder if they're planning an across-the-board application
> plan for this engine.  Doesn't sound like they'll be replacing the 3800, at
> least yet, but it's pleasant to think of Olds motors being popular once 
again,
> even if there aren't all that many pistons in 'em!  :)

This engine will supposedly replace ~all~ the 3800 series engines across the 
GM board.  But yes, 
during the first year of production, it'll be an Olds exclusive--in the 
Intrigue.  Both engines 
(the 3800 and the Shortstar) will be offered, at least for the '99 model year.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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