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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 29 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1514



Re: 350 Buildup
Bravada?
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
G body ~true duals~
Re: Omega Help
Octane requirements
Re: 425 big boy
Re: Starter/Solenoid problems
Re: Starter/Solenoid problems
Re: junkyard
Re: Omega Help
Re: porting '87 olds Heads
Re: junkyard
A body or G body?
Re: blowby
Re: Olds 403
Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine
Re: Re-post....Web page idea....
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: cam info
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: Everyone list their cars
RE: A body or G body?
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: A body or G body?
Edelbrock heads??
Re: A body or G body?
Re: 84 Delco radios
Re: Starter/Solenoid problems
Re: A body or G body?
Re: Edelbrock RPM
Re:  GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....
Re:  G body ~true duals~
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish Inquisition
car list (sorry I'm late)
Re:  Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish 
Inquisition
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!
Re: blowby
Re: 350 Buildup
Re: Dashboard "chrome"
Re: seat belts
Re: 'Nother 69 question
One wire one more time
Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS
Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:08:38 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup

Does anybody have a good idea based on their own experiences for a 350
buildup?
________

For the money, you'll get a more powerful, more liveable engine by going
with a 455.  Think about it:  to make the same HP and torque, the 350 must
be more heavily modified than the 455, which will result in a less
streetable package.  If money is limited, just find a good-running used 455
and drop it in with no mods whatsoever (other than the dual exhaust).  500
ft-lb of torque, stock.  You'll be glad you did.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:30:21 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Bravada?

> FYI had a 92 Bravada, just sold it, something like 215,000 miles on it

Funny to see that mentioned today...  My coworker's looking for a new rig for
his SO, and he brought in a white Bravada today to test drive (actually, a
nearby dealer brought it down...)  He looked it over, and later showed it to
me.  Gave it a quick once over, and then a second, more thorough.  Noticed 
under
the hood, between the fenders and radiator support etc, there were rust lines 
on
the factory seams (folds and lips at front of fenders...)  Couldn't find any
dents or rippling of body lines or panels.  Noticed similar surface rusting in 
a
few other locations, door hinges, etc.  Glanced inside and felt the floor.  Dry
(all the spots I checked, anyway...)  Didn't smell, either.  But, I felt safe 
in
assuming it had been in a very moist envirionment sometime recently.  
Questioned
if it had maybe been in that Grand Forks flood a couple years back.  Rust 
wasn't
bad, but warranted further concern, IMHO.  Finished by openly flaming the
~idiots~ who insisted on balancing those alloy wheels with clamp on weights.
Told the salesman they probably f**ked up $1600 worth of rims.  All pitted and
scratched from prior balancing, too.  Sad.  Anyway, the salesman took the
Bravada back to Williston, and Tyler said he'd think about it.  Had high miles,
and his girlfriend was ~very~ leary of that.  They were asking $8900, but would
come down to $8200, he said.  Later on, Tyler's SO, who has a relative in an
insurance agency, ran a check on the VIN.  Two years ago, that samae Bravada 
had
been "totalled due to extensive flood damage."  I laughed....  "Told ya so!"  
:)


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:29:47 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

I've got some of my old 71 442 conv.  If you are interested e'mail me
privately and I will dig out the negatives and send some.
David OCA 30416
70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:40:42 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: G body ~true duals~

> 87 a REAL 4 4 2
> Oh, wait, you cannot put true duals on your car.
> Nevermind!

I beg to differ, I've had, and currently have said true duals...  (We ~ARE~
talking exhaust, right? :)   Both manifolds dump down the passenger side of the
tranny, (left side crossing over under oil pan, through stock xover pipe, and
paralleling the stock exhaust.  Can either stay there or cross back over after
the tailshaft.  Mine was that way, (on the Rockit) with 40" packs surrounding
the driveshaft, and then jumping the back axle and exiting in factory
locations.  Looked and worked perfectly.  One side is technically ~longer~ but
oh well...  I'm not that much of a purist.  When I put the Toro pan in there 
the
local exhaust guy said my setup wouldn't work, and ran a tube straight under 
the
crossmember (d**khead!)  Told our coworker that his had to be done that way
too.  (85 442)  Told Tyler the guy was full of s**t, and he agreed the guy was
too lazy to put time into his work.  Drove 20 miles to a different shop, and 
got
it done correctly, exactly like mine had been, in fact.  Turned out great.
Shoulda had ~them~ reroute my exhaust around that larger oil pan...  Oh
well....  Need an engine first :(

And, for what it's worth, I ~suppose~ dual ~wheels~ are possible too.....  Hard
on bearings, but it ~could~ be done...

> (the springs ARE an improvement!)

Told ya!  :)

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:23:20 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Omega Help

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:01:31 -0400 "Thomas P. Smith"
<smithtp@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>
>Olds Omega wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I really like the way these cars look.
>> Only thing I'm wondering now is if I NEED new body panels will Nova
>> panels work?  Anybody know?
>
>        Back when I was still a Chevy guy, I had a '71 Nova.  Anyway,
What year

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:44:35 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Octane requirements

Anyone out there who is running 10.5:1 compression at 180 degree engine
temperature, what octane does your car ask of you?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:38:15 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: 425 big boy

Wasn't the last 425 Olds made in 76 or earlier, so it couldn't be in a 78
Caddy.  Well not originally at least.  ???????

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:51:47 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Starter/Solenoid problems

If you ask for a starter for a 403, you get a high torque because that is
what they came with.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:35:00 -0400 Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
writes:
>I just put a high compression starter in my rocket 330, seems to fire
>up
>much easier than before.....
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:36:43 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Starter/Solenoid problems

Big fat wires and absolutley excellent connections are imperative for the
starter.  When you're starting you're engine hot, it demands a lot of
amperage.  Without a good path for this current to flow through, burning
a solenoid is quite easy to do

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:54:17 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: junkyard

John,
There were about 10 or 12 g-bodies.  I was there specifically looking for
bucket seats for my grey interior 87.  I wound up with some seats from an
86 Calais.  Not a perfect match, but not bad.  What did you need?  If
it's not bucket seats, which I'm sure the 442 already has, you should be
able to find most other things.  I'll tell you if I specifically remember
seeing anything...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:44:41 EDT JJP442@aol.com writes:
>Ray,
>I need some grey interior parts for my 87 442 notice any G bodies at
>the U-
>pull salvage yard? Hoping not to make the trip for nothing
>Thanx
>John- Queens N.Y.
>JJP442@aol.com
>1983 H/O
>1987 442
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:23:47 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Omega Help

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:01:31 -0400 "Thomas P. Smith"
<smithtp@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>
>Olds Omega wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I really like the way these cars look.
>> Only thing I'm wondering now is if I NEED new body panels will Nova
>> panels work?  Anybody know?
>
>What year Omega?  And where are you?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:56:31 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: porting '87 olds Heads

I wouldn't bother.  Pick up a set of heads off an 85 or earlier 307.  You
can get a set cheap at a good yard.  Get the exhaust manifolds too, as I
believe the exhaust ports are alo different.
Your best be, of course, would be to build a nice 403 and drop it in!  Or
even a stock one!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:32:19 -0500 David Harms <dph0569@flash.net>
writes:
>Is it possible to have '87 Heads machined so that they will match up
>with
>'85 intakes? Or will doing this cause them to get to hot?
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:47:01 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: junkyard

Wow, heads are like $15 a piece at Harry's.  No muscle car era selection
however.  I wanted to pick up a spare pair of 7a's since I anticipate
cracking a head soon, but none to be found.  Quite a few 5A's around
though!  They're the up to 85 307 heads, right?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:58:40 -0400 "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
writes:
>>
>><< Got some bucket seats and a turn signal
>> stalk.  $16 total.  I recommend this place to anyone "nearby".   >>
>>
>>yea, i can relate.  there is a junkyard here in south carolina where
>i got
>an
>>entire 12" disk brake setup off of an '80 caprice station wagon with
>master
>>cylinder for $40
>
>You guys have it lucky. Yardes around here gotchya by the short hairs.
>I
>took an air compressor (rear air shock leveling type) for 35 bucks. He
>wanted 50! (The thing lists for 500 so they tell me). Ask about 5A
>heads for
>a 307 - $75 each, guaranteed to need work (they won't sell heads off a
>good
>engine).
>
>Greedy b*stards. I hate 'em.
>
>drc
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:49:41 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: A body or G body?

So I heard that Cutlasses were A bodies up unitl 81.   Then in 82, they
decided to call the "g".  At the yard, I saw a few Cutli that were
labeled as 82, 83, or 84 even maybe, and they were A bodies, according to
the vin.  Does it make a difference if they were Canada cars?
Do all Canada Cutli have 305, or are there some ch%vy v6's in some too?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:43:24 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: blowby

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:38:20 -0400 Jim Olson
<jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu> writes:
>A car I just bought has SERIOUS blowby. Short of pulling the head and
>pistons, is there any way to try to stop this? The motor doesn't make
>any strange noises, so it doesn't sound like anything broke, but I've
>never seen an engine blow smoke & a bit of oil out the dipstick tube
>before.
>
>I've changed the PCV valve, just in case. Same results.
>
>Jim...
>
Jim,
When this happened to my motor, it didn't make any strange noises either.
 It ran not bad too, still able to do burnouts with a/c on and all.  I
went through many valve cover gaskets, and wound up cracking a cover.  I
too replaced pcv valve.  After a few weeks I admitted to myself that the
motor had to come out.  When we opened up the motor, we found a piston
with the ring grooves broken off, and the pieces were in my oil pan!  So
we rebuilt it with FORGED aluminum pistons (upped the compression a point
too) and the car runs excellently again.  I'd say you need rings or a
piston or two.  Either way, that engine's gotta come out.  probably

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:00:54 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Olds 403

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:31:27 -0400 Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net> writes:
>Hi gang,
>
>  This is one cool list here, thanks S-Man for telling me about it!
>  Have a question for the masses.
>  I have a  '79 Po***ac T/A with the Olds 403, I'm planning a rebuild
>soon and was wondering what kind of things I should do to this engine
>to
>get some great performance.
> For starters here's a few things I was thinking about:
> 1 I'm thinking of using Eldebrock's RPM cam and intake.

I'm using a crane cam, .480/.496 lift, forget duration specs as of now,
but it's real "lumpy"


> 2 I know that these engines don't have much CR, that in mind I've
>been
>told two things. You can get custom pistons with less dish in them or
>find a set of Olds 350 heads #5 I think.
>
7a heads (70-72 350) will bring compression up to 9.8:1 on a stock 403.



 Other than that the rest of the block will be stock.
> Ok Olds people what do you think?

If you change the cam, you have to change the intake if you want to get
the cam to perform as you want.

> Am I overlooking something, should I go with something else.
> Thanks for your input!  Scott
>

The 403 is excellent and torquey as b#lls!  It launches my 87 Cutlass
very hard, and pulls it all the way through the rpm's.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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>P.S.
>  Olds I own....just one a '86 Delta 88 one nice riding car!
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:27:36 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine

On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 08:33:21 -0500 David Harms <dph0569@flash.net>
writes:
>Hi, i recently bought an '87 olds 2 door cutlass salon, and am having
>some
>trouble determining the engine that is in it.
>
>I've talked to some people on the internet and we all THINK it is a
>307, i
>know for sure that it is 5.0L v8.  The thing is something weird
>happened, i
>wanted to buy an aluminum Intake Manifold for it, but edelbrocks
>(#3711)
>are listed for '85 & earlier, so i called up summit to see if they
>could
>give me a reason why it wouldn't fit a '87 307,

Different shape of intake ports, I've heard.  Or something like that.

 they told me it was
>because
>olds switched to center bolt valve covers that year so it wouldn't

Not true!  Still 10 bolt covers.


>fit, i
>went out side to check my engine, and welp No center bolts =], and
>some
>guys on the internet agreed, they had never seen and olds with center
>bolts, just SBC's.  So my question remains, do i in fact have a Olds
>307,
>and if so who makes performance parts that will fit that year?
>
>O yeah the 8th digit of my vin number is a Y in case it helps
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>	
Y----you've got a 307.  Also, the oil fill tube protruding up and the
distributor that does not go through the intake manifold indicates Olds
engine.

Cool car!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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>	-David
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:34:00 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Re-post....Web page idea....

Well, I'd really like to post a photo of my car on the web somewhere, but
I haven't yet because......
Since my car is a part of me, it does not photograph well without me in
the photo.  The best photo I have of it has me standing in front of it.
I thought it'd be inappropriate to post a picture of me standing in front
of the car,  but perhaps it wouldn't be in this realm.  So I'm for it.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT) S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
writes:
>
>Hi gang,
>        This is attempt #2, so bear with me if you ~did~ get it...it
>didn't come back to me so I'm assuming it never made the list.
>       I had an idea about a new page for the list....esp. since now
>we all have the info on what everyone drives :) We have alot of great
>folks hereand alot of great personalities here too....has anyone ever
>wanted to put a face with that?....So give me some input....We can
>post a pic of the list members and the listing of their cars.....Let
>me have some input ~DIRECT~ please so we don't clog the list up
>again....No flames please as even though this may seem stupid to
>some...it may not be to everyone....
>         I know some of you won't post their mug because of being
>wanted in 3 states for buying too many Olds'....but I'll keep it
>private so  ~ONLY~ list folks will have access :)
>             Anyways...that's my thought...What'cha think?
>             Sman
>
>
>
>
>
>==
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:43:22 -0500
From: David Harms <dph0569@flash.net>
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

HEHEHE Finally, i have an '87 Cutlass, V8 307, currently running single
exhaust, i wanted to put a true dual in so i called a local shop, they told
me they couldnt do it because it wouldnt pass emissions!  But your living
proof that it canissed somet be done, unless i mhing about your engine in
an earlier post.




At 09:40 PM 9/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> 87 a REAL 4 4 2
>> Oh, wait, you cannot put true duals on your car.
>> Nevermind!
>
>I beg to differ, I've had, and currently have said true duals...  (We ~ARE~
>talking exhaust, right? :)   Both manifolds dump down the passenger side
of the
>tranny, (left side crossing over under oil pan, through stock xover pipe, and
>paralleling the stock exhaust.  Can either stay there or cross back over
after
>the tailshaft.  Mine was that way, (on the Rockit) with 40" packs surrounding
>the driveshaft, and then jumping the back axle and exiting in factory
>locations.  Looked and worked perfectly.  One side is technically ~longer~
but
>oh well...  I'm not that much of a purist.  When I put the Toro pan in
there the
>local exhaust guy said my setup wouldn't work, and ran a tube straight
under the
>crossmember (d**khead!)  Told our coworker that his had to be done that way
>too.  (85 442)  Told Tyler the guy was full of s**t, and he agreed the guy
was
>too lazy to put time into his work.  Drove 20 miles to a different shop,
and got
>it done correctly, exactly like mine had been, in fact.  Turned out great.
>Shoulda had ~them~ reroute my exhaust around that larger oil pan...  Oh
>well....  Need an engine first :(
>
>And, for what it's worth, I ~suppose~ dual ~wheels~ are possible too.....
Hard
>on bearings, but it ~could~ be done...
>
>> (the springs ARE an improvement!)
>
>Told ya!  :)
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:53:30 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: cam info

> does anyone have anything to say about a comp cams 280h cam?  what kind of
> powerband does it have in a sbo?    is it a good cam or is the performer rpm

I liked mine...  I ran it straight up, (didn't "waste any time degreeing it in"
- -- Oops!)  Balanced, etc.  Spun 'er ~very~ high, a few to many times...
Powerband was strong from about 2500 to 6500.  With the 2.29 rear-end, and
factory computer calibrated still to the 260, it was dead till 35, then it'd
pull hard until you let off the gas.  Shift out of first around 6500-7000, puts
you in the next gear just over 2500, right into the powerband.  Loved that!
usually during races, I'd shift out of first at 80-85...  Worked well.  Couple
times I waited till the needle disappeared, but that wasn't a recommended
practice ;)

If I remember right, degreeing it in to a 2' advance would have brought the
powerband to an off-idle state...  I ended up smacking a couple valves on the
8500 revs, apparantly, since they were noticably ~bent~ when I pulled it
down...  Oops.  Head gasket was the cause of demise, though...  Ended up
breaking a lifter and bending a few pushrods.  Didn't trust the cam after that,
wasn't sure if the lobe would show premature wear or not.  So I bought a 280
Magnum for the 455, years later.  Card didn't say anything about adv or ret for
better performance.  Don't know if they changed the grind or what.  Liked it.
Didn't notice much of a difference, but it was a fairly snotty cam in there to
start with.

On a small block, you'll want to double check valves for piston interference.
Mine had problems, but I rodded the hell out of it...  You'll want to double
check, though, 'cuz there is quite a bit of lift there...

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:06:00 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

The 409  Rocket's got true dual too!  Still have side exit, Olds style!
Now, I need a crossover pipe, if I learn to weld ever...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:40:42 -0600 Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> writes:
>> 87 a REAL 4 4 2
>> Oh, wait, you cannot put true duals on your car.
>> Nevermind!
>
>I beg to differ, I've had, and currently have said true duals...  (We
>~ARE~
>talking exhaust, right? :)   Both manifolds dump down the passenger
>side of the
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:01:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Everyone list their cars

Well folks, here goes :)

65 Delta 88 2dr ht
66 Toronado Deluxe
68 Fairlane 500 sw
69 Cutlass S 2dr ht
70 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr ht W31
70 Cutlass S 2dr ht
70 Cutlass S 2dr sedan
71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr ht
72 442 W30 conv
72 Delta 88 Royale conv
72 Cutlass Supreme conv
75 F100 pickup
82 Suburban
86 Cutlass Supreme 2dr ht

+ 5 parts vehicles, 1 wife, 2 kids!
==
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:06:54 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: A body or G body?

On Monday, September 28, 1998 11:50 PM, Ray Costanzo [SMTP:rocket409@juno.com]
wrote: > So I heard that Cutlasses were A bodies up unitl 81.   Then in 82, 
they >
decided to call the "g".  At the yard, I saw a few Cutli that were > labeled as
82, 83, or 84 even maybe, and they were A bodies, according to > the vin.  Does
it make a difference if they were Canada cars? > Do all Canada Cutli have 305,
or are there some ch%vy v6's in some too?

Ray, the 1978 and 1979 cars are A-Bodies, undisputed.  Then, in either 1980 or
1981, the nomenclature changed to G-Body.  The 4th character of the VIN does
not indicate the body style, as is popular thinking.  According to The Standard
Catalog of Oldsmobile, the 4th VIN character indicates the restraint type.  A
and G (I'm sure that there are others) are active (manual) belts and 4 is
passive (motorized) belts.  Point is, I think it 1979 was the last downsized
Cutlass to be called an A-Body.  I think 1980-1988 cars are referred to as
G-Bodies.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

my 82 has true duals all of the way back.....fortunately i don't have to
pass emissions.....nathyn

On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, David Harms wrote:

>
>
> HEHEHE Finally, i have an '87 Cutlass, V8 307, currently running single
> exhaust, i wanted to put a true dual in so i called a local shop, they told
> me they couldnt do it because it wouldnt pass emissions!  But your living
> proof that it canissed somet be done, unless i mhing about your engine in
> an earlier post.
>
>
>
>
> At 09:40 PM 9/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >> 87 a REAL 4 4 2
> >> Oh, wait, you cannot put true duals on your car.
> >> Nevermind!
> >
> >I beg to differ, I've had, and currently have said true duals...  (We ~ARE~
> >talking exhaust, right? :)   Both manifolds dump down the passenger side
> of the
> >tranny, (left side crossing over under oil pan, through stock xover pipe, 
and
> >paralleling the stock exhaust.  Can either stay there or cross back over
> after
> >the tailshaft.  Mine was that way, (on the Rockit) with 40" packs 
surrounding
> >the driveshaft, and then jumping the back axle and exiting in factory
> >locations.  Looked and worked perfectly.  One side is technically ~longer~
> but
> >oh well...  I'm not that much of a purist.  When I put the Toro pan in
> there the
> >local exhaust guy said my setup wouldn't work, and ran a tube straight
> under the
> >crossmember (d**khead!)  Told our coworker that his had to be done that way
> >too.  (85 442)  Told Tyler the guy was full of s**t, and he agreed the guy
> was
> >too lazy to put time into his work.  Drove 20 miles to a different shop,
> and got
> >it done correctly, exactly like mine had been, in fact.  Turned out great.
> >Shoulda had ~them~ reroute my exhaust around that larger oil pan...  Oh
> >well....  Need an engine first :(
> >
> >And, for what it's worth, I ~suppose~ dual ~wheels~ are possible too.....
> Hard
> >on bearings, but it ~could~ be done...
> >
> >> (the springs ARE an improvement!)
> >
> >Told ya!  :)
> >
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:20:20 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

> they told me they couldnt do it because it wouldnt pass emissions!

That's another issue entirely.  It all depends on your local laws.  My cat was
gone when I bought the car (which was illegal for them to sell that way, I
suspect, but ~my~ a** was coverred...)  It's an expensive EPA violation to
remove the cat unless replacing with a passing model, in most states, at least.
But that still leaves several options available.  The crossmember and 
floorboard
can be modified (albeit extensively) to house dual cats, or you can run a
cat-back dual system available for the H/Os (Tom Lentz has shots of his on his
page...  Lessee...  Here it is:
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hooker_exhaust.htm

> proof that it canissed somet be done, unless i mhing about your engine

My original system was done on the 350 Olds, and then widenned for the 455, and
then modified more for the 425 Toro, as it is now...

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:24:11 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: A body or G body?

> So I heard that Cutlasses were A bodies up unitl 81.   Then in 82, they
> decided to call the "g".

Technically, I believe this is correct, the 81 was still officially considerred
the A body, but in practice, the 78-88 platforms have been commonly called
G-bodies, although not entirely accurate.


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:36:33 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Edelbrock heads??

Does anyone have any experience with the new performer rpm heads?  Let me know
as I'm thinking about buying a pair.

Thanks

Ryan

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:45:42 -0500
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: A body or G body?

At 10:24 PM 9/28/98 -0600, you wrote:

>> So I heard that Cutlasses were A bodies up unitl 81.   Then in 82, they

>> decided to call the "g".

>

>Technically, I believe this is correct, the 81 was still officially 
considerred

>the A body, but in practice, the 78-88 platforms have been commonly called

>G-bodies, although not entirely accurate.


I talked to an old GM service manager over this about a year ago.. In a
nutshell, what he said was that A-bodies extended to 81. They changed the body
style in 81 but GM didn't get around to changing the frame until 82. The body
platform is designated by what frame was used as I understand it. I can verify
that, b/c when I put my 200-4r in out of an 86 cutlass I also took the
crossmember, and it was 2 inches too short across the frame rails. I had to do
some more custom welding and drilling. I was very irritated...


Life's never fair..hehe




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Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks

					

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:47:23 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 84 Delco radios

> I don't want to cut, and I saw that the optional digital cassette deck has
> more features than my current Panasonic,

Being in the business, I gotta say the factory tape decks had troubles 
comparing
to much of the aftermarket products.  Service becomes a major issue.  There are
service centers worldwide to repair Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, JVC, etc.
Its hard to find anyone who will even ~touch~ Delco equipment.  Seems like the
dealer is about the only one who'll perform surgery on 'em.  I've seen
relatively simple factory repairs run over $200.  The cost of a decent CD
player.  My 2cents there.

Also, I've put CD Players in mid 80's Deltas.  Not too bad, actually.  Time
consuming in getting the cutout clean, but quite asthetic, still.  There is no
~major~ cutting to do, there.  The dash trim is the main thing to cut.  Which 
is
easily replacable by junkyard parts, if so desired.  The metal plate in back,
surrounding the factory radio, can be retained and cut, or fabricated new, or
simply left out, with the deck's rear held up by backstrap material.  Not too
bad there.  Done several.

Personally, my advice, is to cut it out.  You'll be happier in the long run, 
I'm
sure.  Unless bone-stock original is your plans, then I wish you luck.  Most of
the factory radios of that vintage will at least need new belts.  Best of luck!
:)

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:58:02 -0500
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Starter/Solenoid problems

I've been loosly following this thread, but now I'm going to have to jump in..
I've been driving my camaro as the cutlass has yet another bent valve.., traced
the problem to the edelbrock headache of the slightly longer springs for the
performer rpm.. MY machine shop didn't take any material off the spring seats 
or
the valve guides like they were supposed to.., I'm going to have a nice word
with them..


anyway the camaro is having problems starting when hot all of a sudden..,
started yesterday. Starter won't move..


So exactly step by step, how do you swap a ford solenoid in, as I have no
problems doing it to a chevy. The headers are probably whats killing it.


Thanks,




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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:01:13 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: A body or G body?

In a message dated 9/28/98 11:58:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rocket409@juno.com writes:

<< So I heard that Cutlasses were A bodies up unitl 81.   Then in 82, they
 decided to call the "g".  At the yard, I saw a few Cutli that were
 labeled as 82, 83, or 84 even maybe, and they were A bodies, according to
 the vin.  Does it make a difference if they were Canada cars?
 Do all Canada Cutli have 305, or are there some ch%vy v6's in some too?
  >>
my '78 cutlass supreme came from canada with the 260, 200metric tranny and gut
wrenching 2.29 gears.  is that better than a chewy v6?  hmmm....  :-)
jeremy

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:14:25 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock RPM

In a message dated 9/28/98 11:25:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
olds442@primenet.com writes:

<<  The edelbrock cam is like
 2300 or more if I recall correctly. I just don't think their cam design is
 good for the street olds. My thoughts, now I'm ready to take the heat of the
 die hard Edelbrock guys... >>

well, here's a thought....  if you want something more than a performer for
your small block olds, get one for a big block olds and pop in there.  the
duration and lift and all are bumped up about 10 points or so, i believe, and
these specs are smaller than the ones on the performer rpm cam.  kinda a nice
median, i think.  i have the regular performer in my 350, and its fabulous.
runs great and the stangs cant hang with it.  the rpm cam is more for the
weekend hotrod, i think.  mondo lift.  im thinking about putting in a mondello
cam of some sort one day, thats a little bigger than my performer.  wish i
could use that w31 cam in the garage....  its rated at something crazy like
308 duration!!!  i would just like to see what it sounded like idling.  oh
well, i got my foot in there....  :-)
jeremy

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:20:15 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....

GN guy,
Good luck finding Lightning Rods. I've got an extra set that I won't part
with. I can't even put a price on them. Was thinking of putting them in my 87
442. If I were to sell It definitly would go to the highest bidder.
Good luck
John-Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:27:31 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  G body ~true duals~

I'd like to know more about this true dual exhaust. Do you have a picture if
this set-up?? What about the cat-converter??Who did the work?
John-Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:34:57 -0700
From: John Barnett <john@jb-net.com>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

Here they are...

'64 Dynamic 88
'69 442
'71 Vista Cruiser
'95 Z28

John
So.Calif.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 EDT
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish
Inquisition

In a message dated 9/29/98 1:05:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ithefunki@cchat.com writes:

<< Actually...  I was planning on dropping a 455 w/ A THM400 in there
 instead...  And as far as Qjet.......  Jury's still out on that
 decision....   >>
i would just use a th350 tranny.  the g- bodys are pretty light, (compared to
the 60's cars) and if you build the 350 tranny good it will take the abuse.
you will go faster with the 350.  now for the fun part.....  engine and tranny
are covered but whats left out?  aahh...  the rearend.  true, they might
handle good power levels, but my experience has shown that a 300hp 350
combined with a harsh shift kit can kill a 7.5" rear.  this is the dilemma im
in right now.  i got another rear in there now, but who knows how long it will
live.  im thinking about welding mounting brackets onto a 12 bolt out of a
early '70s chebelle.  as for the carb i think its neat to be able to tell the
guy you just beat that your running a q-jet.  watch his eyes bug out.  oh yea,
i live in south carolina too and my car will be a paperweight if they start
emissions testing.
jeremy

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:34:53 -0500
From: bloom@mail.gorilla.net
Subject: car list (sorry I'm late)

'67 442 (4 speed,400ci,AC)
'67 Cutlass (auto,AC,trunk light :))
'92 GMC van (hauls the wife and kids)
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:36:10 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Jerry C's short list was: Everyone, Everything, the Spanish
Inquisition

What's the "F" mean?

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:47:06 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

> I'd like to know more about this true dual exhaust. Do you have a picture if
> this set-up?? What about the cat-converter??Who did the work?

I'm afraid I don't have any pics of my exhaust system.  Any talented exhaust 
man
~should~ be able to perform the operation.  It ~is~ possible, don't let anyone
tell you different.  If they try to tell you that it can't be done, tell 'em
they're right...  At least that it won't be done by ~them~...  No info
personally on the converter, several options there, I suppose.  Any info about
the Hooker setup on Tom's H/O should be directed through him.  Not sure if he's
still on here "real-time" or not.

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:55:23 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!

Those kind of numbers with the BB olds.  I don't think so.  It is almost
certainly a wrong or extreemley incorectly installed cam.  In stock form
this car would have been tons better.  Geo Metro.  Come on.  I bet something
is really wrong.  Lets us know what happens.  Igor.


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From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!


>
>
>GT5726@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I just recently installed these things into my '65....Edelbrock Performer
RPM
>> intake and Cam/Lifter kit, Edelbrock Performer Carburetor, Mallory
Unilite
>> Distributor, MSD Blaster2 coil, Accel 8.8 wires, new AC 46s plugs(gapped
at
>> .35...I think), I still have the original "Jet-Away" with it's "infamous"
>> converter, and the rear gears are supposed to be 3.23:1. My 60' time was
>> 2.87!!!!!!!, and my eighth mile was 11.27!!!!!!!! My boss was there with
his
>> Geo Storm and he ran a 10.15!!!!!!! I can not even break the tires loose
on a
>> slick surface!!!!!!! I NEVER had to change out of 1st gear...LOL...could
it be
>> that rear gears were changed during it's lifetime? My cruise speed at
70mph is
>> 2700rpm.I was gaining on my bosses Geo, but he had me by 2 car lenghths
or
>> better when we hit the end of the 8th. I have a friend at work who is
willing
>> to give me a BOP TH-350 and converter...is this a suitable swap?...should
I
>> run some "real" gears in the back?...this isn't a daily driver....and Im
so
>> ammbarrased, that Im considering going to the Dealer and buying a
>> Z-28/SS!!!!!!!  HELP!!!!!!!!!
>
>GT,
>First question.  Did you run the car prior to the modifications?  If so,
>how do the new numbers compare?
>
>I'm going to assume your 65 4-4-2 has the original 400.  If so,
>when you ordered your camshaft, did they clarify
>that this fits the 65 400 only?
>1965 400's are the only 400 to use the 45 degree
>lifter angle.  If you installed a 66-69 400 cam, these have a 39
>deg. angle and will cause a 65 400 to run like a two legged dog.
>Next.  Did you check and set the lifter preload?
>Excessive preload will also create a poor performer.
>
>Also, what total advance did you set the Uni-Lite at?
>
>Greg Rollin
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>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
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>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:58:31 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: blowby

If you have excessive blowby (as in oil slipping inbetween piston rings and
cylinder walls)  the only thing you car really do is overhaul that motor.
The least you should do is hone the walls and install new rings.  Also, get
the heads done (vital) and then, unless your cylinder walls are no good, the
oil burning should come down to minimum.
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From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:44 PM
Subject: blowby


>A car I just bought has SERIOUS blowby. Short of pulling the head and
>pistons, is there any way to try to stop this? The motor doesn't make
>any strange noises, so it doesn't sound like anything broke, but I've
>never seen an engine blow smoke & a bit of oil out the dipstick tube
>before.
>
>I've changed the PCV valve, just in case. Same results.
>
>Jim...
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:03:25 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup

On a 455, good dual exaust and headers if possible are a must.  I would
never again ever run a 455 with single exaust.  With the '76 Delta I had
(not vary long as I got it to pull and rebuild the engine) it had single
small exaust with a cat, stock muffler and 2" tailpipe.  When I first got
it, even though it needed an overhaul, I thought "that is all for a 455.  My
307 is not far off.  Then, befoure I pulled the motor I disconected the
exaust at the catalytic converter and took if for a ride.  I thought "Now
that IS a 455".  Twice as fast +.  Igor.
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From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 350 Buildup


>Does anybody have a good idea based on their own experiences for a 350
>buildup?
>________
>
>For the money, you'll get a more powerful, more liveable engine by going
>with a 455.  Think about it:  to make the same HP and torque, the 350 must
>be more heavily modified than the 455, which will result in a less
>streetable package.  If money is limited, just find a good-running used 455
>and drop it in with no mods whatsoever (other than the dual exhaust).  500
>ft-lb of torque, stock.  You'll be glad you did.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:07:40 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Dashboard "chrome"

well mr. Gs rechromed plastic can do it or you can use the rub-on chrome
they use on plastic models it is called real chrome foil and is available at
hobby shops it is pricey for a 6x8 inch sheet or you can use testors paint
pen in chrome silver and great care if you go with the foil you need to seal
it in place with a good gloss clear.....kk
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From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com <CPEARLPARK@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:06 PM
Subject: Dashboard "chrome"


>What is the "chrome-like" stuff they used to accent hard plastic on
>dashboards?  I need to clean up the hard plastic parts of my 71 4-4-2 dash.
>'Also need help on the bezels surrounding the gauges.  I checked Just
Dashes
>and they appear to deal only with the soft vinyl stuff.  I heard that
there's
>something that you "rub" on and it wears well, but can't find anything on
it.
>Also, the plastic piece around the TH400 shifter is now light gray and I
>assume it was also once "chrome". Can anyone confirm?

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:08:55 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: seat belts

Ssnake oyl is the only place to get restored belts that I know of.....kk
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From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com <DEOVIVERE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: seat belts


>In a message dated 98-09-28 20:19:34 EDT, you write:
>
><< Need a pair of front original front seat belts.  71 4-4-2 convertible.
> Brothers, no. Year One, no.  GM insignia on the buckle I think.  Any ideas
>for
> sources?? >>
>
>
>Junk yard is where I found a set.  They will probably need some restoration
as
>in sand blasting/repainting and some black dye for faded canvas.
>
>Tom Simmons

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:29:07 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 'Nother 69 question

area between grilles is black and the headlight dorrs look cool in black
.......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: 'Nother 69 question


>
>
>
>
>
>---Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> Also, did _everyone_ black out the headlight doors and housings on
>their 69 442s?
>
>----hehe....I either blacked out or painted all the chrome/silver body
>color.....looked cool...and got plenty of looks :)
>            Sman
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:22:47 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: One wire one more time

dont forget the reg just remove it dont try to bridge the connector or any
thing like that if you leave the reg in place or bridge it the stupid light
stays on ........kk

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:39:56 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS

geez what could you have missed go fast turn left , repeat vroom
vroommmmmmmm......just kidding...........kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: KS7RACING@aol.com <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Big Mac, Sorry Greg, non OLDS


>I could have nuked ESPN Sunday for the continual interruption of the
>Martinsville NASCAR race with all that crap.  If I would have wanted to
watch
>stickball, I would have tuned in stickball.
>
>What Ricky Rudd did yesterday in that race was truly heroic -- not only did
he
>last 500 laps in one of the toughest races on the schedule in 100+ degree
heat
>with his suit and helmet cooling system broken, he won, and that makes 16
>years in a row that he has won at least one race -- a streak that began
before
>either one of them was playing their game.
>
>It also sickened me to hear some local game puke (sportscaster) call the
>stickball homerun contest a race -- they wouldn't know what a race was if
it
>hit them in the middle of Turn 3.
>
>Sorry, but the lack of local racing coverage and the disrespect that ESPN
gave
>the race yesterday really set me off.  Bet they didn't interrupt the game
with
>the results from Martinsville...........
>
>Take Care,
>Ken Snyder

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:06:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: jtherndon@webtv.net (Jeff Herndon)
Subject: Re: '87 Olds Stock Engine

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David,

I'm not sure if you got the info you were looking for (my mailbox got
full and I'm sure a few posts got returned). What you have is indeed an
Olds 307 cid V-8. The "Y" is the giveaway, assuming there has not been
an engine swap. (VIN code "9" designates the 442 motor, also a 307, but
with a beefier cam, better tranny, and other goodies) That aside, the
problem with a Performer manifold is the heads. Starting in '86, Olds
switched to a different head (coded 7A, vice 5A for pre-86, IIRC). They,
for some unknown reason, shrunk the size of the intake ports. The result
was a reduction in horsepower by about 10 on the "Y" motor. The other
consequence is the ports don't match the larger size on the Performer
manifold, causing "reversion". In other words, the air/fuel flow bounces
back into the manifold, creating backpressure and (probably) worse
performance than the stock intake. I'm guessing, but Edelbrock and other
performance parts makers most likely don't find it cost effective to
produce a manifold for an engine/head combo produced for only three
years (86-88).

As far as other performance parts, the only thing I've found that would
really make a difference is a cam like in the "9" motor. You can go
bigger, but I'm not sure it would be better. Another idea I've toyed
with is to find a set of pre-86 heads, then add the intake and cam combo
from Edelbrock. I don't know how that would work out in the HP per $
column. The best option (my .02) is a larger displacement engine. Olds
350 parts aren't too hard to find.

My build-up/resto is still in the planning stages (read: need more
money), but at this point I'm leaning toward an Olds 350, TH200-4R,
3-series rear gears, keeping the computer.  Anyone got this combo for
sale, real cheap?:-)

Jeff Herndon
'86 CS 307Y "Gutless"


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Hi, i recently bought an '87 olds 2 door cutlass salon, and am having some
trouble determining the engine that is in it.

I've talked to some people on the internet and we all THINK it is a 307, i
know for sure that it is 5.0L v8.  The thing is something weird happened, i
wanted to buy an aluminum Intake Manifold for it, but edelbrocks (#3711)
are listed for '85 & earlier, so i called up summit to see if they could
give me a reason why it wouldn't fit a '87 307, they told me it was because
olds switched to center bolt valve covers that year so it wouldn't fit, i
went out side to check my engine, and welp No center bolts =], and some
guys on the internet agreed, they had never seen and olds with center
bolts, just SBC's.  So my question remains, do i in fact have a Olds 307,
and if so who makes performance parts that will fit that year?

O yeah the 8th digit of my vin number is a Y in case it helps

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

	-Thanks
	-David

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