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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, October 3 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1526



Re: Alarms
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
Re: Fuel Pump
RE: Re: Tweeter Dome Location??
Re: Tranny?? Oh No!!
Re: 68 442 Convertible
Song Detector
Re: Song Detector
RE:Song Detector
Re: seat belts/cure
Re: funny sound
Re: Rain Channel  G-Body.
Re: Ignition kill switch
Re: 15th anniversary edition
RE: Song Detector
State Fair of Texas
Re: Fuel Pump
Re: Ignition kill switch
Re: Kill Switch (was Alarms)
Re: OLdsmobile book
Leaky plugs under Carb
ACK!!!!
Re: knocking tranny
musical horns
hey Greg, what's going on with the list?
Re: Alarms
CCC Error Codes (or lack of)
Re: 72 cutlass 's' exhaust system
LIST?!?!?
Re:  Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.
ADMIN: Chebucto Down Saturday AM
Tuning a carbonater (Quadrojet)
Re: Pinging
test
Re: Olds, Non Olds
Re: Ignition kill switch
RE: Exhaust FYI
Evergreen Muscle Car Supply
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: Pinging
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
I've got one you don't have.
ADMIN: Chebucto Down
Leaky plugs under Carb
RE: Leaky plugs under Carb
Re: Leaky plugs under Carb
CCC Error Codes (or lack of)
use F body shocks on a G body?
Cutlass 4x4x4
ENGINE MOUNTS
Re: Exhaust FYI
72 Cutlass mirror removal
Re: Restoring SSI
jack hold down needed
Re: Water Pump Fail
Re: knocking tranny
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
Re: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)
Re: 72 Cutlass mirror removal
Re: Leaky plugs under Carb
RE: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)
Radio Dash:Same or differnt
Re: Water Pump Fail
Re: Ignition kill switch
Re: NAL, Web updates
Carlisle report

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:11:52 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Alarms

Yes, if someone is determined to steal your car, he will do it one way or
another regardless of all precautions.  Most car thieves do not have tow
trucks however, I guess.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
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>Even then, if someone has a flatbed tow-truck, they can just tow it
>away. I
>even heard of a case where a wealthy individual had a porsche parked
>next
>to his driveway. his house was surrounded by a 8 foot high brick wall
>and
>the only entrance was a gate which was metal and closed. Supposedly
>someone
>with a helicopter had some type of fold up lift. The helicopter then
>just
>lifted the car away. I don't know if this story is true, I just heard
>it
>from someone else.
>
>The towing away of a car is true. I know of numerous instances when
>the car
>had the best alarm and it was just towed away on a flatbed.
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>----------
>> From: RGHaun@aol.com
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Alarms
>> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:29 PM
>>
>> Pitch the alarms, get a toggle switch, connect one terminal to
>> the positive side of the coil, connect the other terminal to ground.
>> Switch in one position will let you start the car, in other position
>> car will not start. (don't forget to hide the toggle switch
>somewhere)
>Have
>> had this connection on my car since I got it
>> plus on my other cars. Can't get any cheaper protection than this.
>> Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com)
>> 71 442 W30 Red Convert.
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>tow-truck, they can just tow it away. I even heard of a case where a =
>wealthy individual had a porsche parked next to his driveway. his
>house =
>was surrounded by a 8 foot high brick wall and the only entrance was a
>=
>gate which was metal and closed. Supposedly someone with a helicopter
>=
>had some type of fold up lift. The helicopter then just lifted the car
>=
>away. <i>I don't know if this story is true, I just heard it from =
>someone else.</i><br><br>The towing away of a car is true. I know of =
>numerous instances when the car had the best alarm and it was just
>towed =
>away on a flatbed.<br><font =
>color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Pettrix@prodigy.net</u><font =
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>October 01, 1998 1:29 PM<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Pitch the alarms, get a
>toggle =
>switch, connect one terminal to<br>&gt; the positive side of the coil,
>=
>connect the other terminal to ground.<br>&gt; Switch in one position =
>will let you start the car, in other position<br>&gt; car will not =
>start. (don't forget to hide the toggle switch somewhere) Have<br>&gt;
>=
>had this connection on my car since I got it<br>&gt; plus on my other
>=
>cars. Can't get any cheaper protection than this.<br>&gt; Ron Haun =
>(<font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>rghaun@aol.com</u><font =
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:04:53 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

I think it depends on what kind it is.  If you have a bass reflex design,
you want the ports firing away from the seat, regardless of the position
of the speakers.  For acoustic suspension style, you want the drivers
firing at the seat.  It really won't make much of a noticeable
difference, but to maximize everything, this is the way to do it. I have
a polk C4 bass reflex box.  The box will be (I'm reinstalling my stereo
now, as I have been for the past few weeks) all the way against the
seats, with the ports firing toward the back of the car.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:54:49 EDT JCRASH7@aol.com writes:
>
>
>>  Yes, you do.  Period. :)  Especially if you don't get 6X9's in back
>(can't
>>  remember what fits there...)  If you go with a sub or two, you
>~won't~
>> regret
>>  it!  I guarantee it!  A singal 10 or 12 would probably be perfect
>for that
>> car,
>>  unless you want to do some showing off too.  Then two 12's would be
>
>> excellent.
>>  I run two 10" MTX 5000 series.  I am very happy with 'em in the
>Teaser.
>>
>
>One question, do you mount the sub speakers facing toward the rear
>seat, or
>toward the taillights?
>
>>  You're fine with a Pioneer choice for CD player.
>
><snip>
>
>Ok,
>>
>>  Door speakers???  Not sure what you'll have room for there, but I
>think
>it's
>>  gonna be custom.  Don't recall ever seeing speakers in those doors.
> :(
>But,
>>  as
>>  I recall, those doors have room for tons of options (any verified
>experience
>>  here?????)  For sound quality, mids in the doors would be a Godsend
>in that
>> car,
>>  3-12's just don't do much.  a good pair of 6-1/2 midbass drivers
>would be
>> worth
>>  their weight in Gold in that sound system...
>
>Our Buick LeSabre has factory speakers in the doors, older Buick's
>don't?  I'm
>sure there's a Cadillac door out there with a speaker in it.
>
>>  As to the sub/no-sub system?  If you can do it, by all means, do
>it.
>You'll
>> be
>>  glad you did, it adds ~sooooo~ much.  It doesn't have to be
>anything
>massive
>> or
>>  extravagent, even a single 10 will make a vastly noticable
>difference for
>> you.
>>  An important factor of a good sounding sub is the amp.  Skip the EQ
>for
>now,
>>  that can come later.  Pioneer's decks have a good EQ curve built
>in, use
>it,
>>  you'll be happy.  The amp should be a high quality unit, pushing at
>a
>~very~
>>  minimum of 50 watts true RMS to each sub.  That will give you the
>reserve
>> power
>>  you'll need to truly experience the music.  Anything above that is
>up to
>> your
>>  own pocket's discretion, but the sky's the limit.  Pioneer's line
>of amps
>is
>>  high quality, as long as supplied from a reputable source (i.e.
>~NOT~
>> WalMart!)
>>  MTX supplies some really fine equipment, too.  I haven't been
>impressed by
>>  Clarion amps and speakers, in the past... (Love their head units,
>though!!!)
>>
>>  Kicker is a good product too.  Fosgate, Alpine, and  Kenwood are
>all
>> reputable
>>  performers.... (although ~I~ don't support 'em...  Had good luck
>with some
>>  Rockford Fosgate, but as for all around sound quality and
>performance, I
>can'
>> t
>>  say ~too~ much in their favor...  For power and punch?  Yeah,
>Fosgate will
>> shake
>>  ya!
>
>My main concern on the subs and amps, will there be enough power?
>Will I have
>to get more than one battery or better alternator?  If so, no subs for
>me...
>
>
>>  My ~best~ recommendations???  JL Audio subs, Oz Audio mids and
>highs,
>> Phoenix
>>  Gold amps, Audio Control signal Processors, and Clarion source.
>That's the
>> best
>>  of the best, to me.
>
>I'm not getting any best of any best.  Since I've stored my car, and
>school's
>started up again, I don't have to work, hence I have no money.  Next
>year I'll
>work and I don't think I'll be storing my car again next year.  I'm
>putting it
>away this year so I can do body work, and also an engine/tranny swap
>if I can
>get the use of a certain garage...
>
>>  The ~BIG~ question, however, is "Is It Worth It???????"
>>  Most definately yes.  Regardless of what you're driving, ~yes~ it's
>very
>> worth
>>  it.  Especially if you do the work yourself.  You can take ~all~
>the
>> equipment
>>  with you if (when) you get a new car.  In the event you sell your
>car, you
>
>Probably won't get rid of The Broham if I can get a new engine in
>there...
>
>>  And why I've done Delta cutouts several times without a moment of
>remorse.
>>  You've got the right car, enjoy it to it's fullest.
>
>Which makes me think of something!  Me thinks the Oldsmagnet needs a
>Delta!
>
>>  CD is the only way to go, for sound quality, for performance, for
>
>Amen!
>
>>  I'll cite George Strait as an example.
>
>No offense, just have to notify everyone of ~my~ music.  Everyone will
>be
>happy to know it's not "in your face rap crap" (please, no flames)
>100% pure
>LedZep fan here along with some Ozzy, GnR, etc...
>
>Joe
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:05:42 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

In a message dated 10/2/98 2:31:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< igor455@home.com (Igor T. '81 455DRB) >>
I have a Holley fuel pump in my 71 442 bored 30 over and camed,
sure works better than stock fuel pump.

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:33:25 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Tweeter Dome Location??

Thanks for all the thoughtful responses!

Charley your description and analysis was great and I liked your site too!

I'm closing in on a 4 year frame off customization and don't expect to be
on the road 'till next spring.

I'll ponder and experiment and let you know the results.

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:47:48 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny?? Oh No!!

Negative acceleration? Is that like an honest politician?

I believe deceleration is the term you were looking for, Ray...

Jim...

(I'm not politically correct, just grammatically correct)

:)

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:14:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 Convertible

Compared to what I paid for mine and what I've put (and will need to put)
into it, sounds as though this is a deal! Too bad I'm already broke.


At 07:57 PM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Found this in the recycler, called the guy and talked to him a little.
Turns out he is 3rd owner, his father was second, their friend was first.
According to him the car was repainted red, it is all original and has
always been garaged. It needs new rubber and stuff but he says the body is
real straight and all the parts is there.
>
>"
>                     68 Oldsmobile 442 convertible, muscle car, 400 Turbo, all
>                     original, auto, good condition, red /blk, white top,
runs perfect,
>                     $4500 or best offer
>                    (805) 
285-8010						"
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:16:23 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Song Detector

Message text written by Rich
>The way it does it is it has a sensor that can tell when there is nothing
on
the tape like there is music and then there is no sound at all it can tell
this then it stops the tape and starts to play again when there is music.
Yes you can buy them the more expensive sony and pioneer tape players have
this option.<

Hmmmmm - my original stock Delco radio (AM/FM with Equalizer) has this
feature on the tape deck (1987 442).  Can't figure out why GM had it in
1987 but you can't get it now.



Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma, Ohio
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E & 4L60-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'96 DCM Impala SS (Naisso #1365)  '87 Olds Cutlass 442 (OCA #028505)

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:14:42 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: Song Detector

>Can't figure out why GM had it in 1987 but you can't get it now.
I dont know about very new cars but I got one in the 93 skylarc i had.  It was
nice but i put a cd player in its place

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:38:59 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: RE:Song Detector

My friend also has one in his 94 Achieva

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:56:00 EDT
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: seat belts/cure

find a decent set in the salvage, then pop them into the washer with some dye,
your wife probably has some, and makes them look new again. i have done this ,
and also works well on the carpet on bottom of the door panels.   just lay the
door panel on flat surface and dab it on with a brush.   if the buckels have a
black face on them you can tape it off and repaint it.  i usually get it at
super market or walmart.  the brand name is RIT.            steven,
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:30:52 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: funny sound

maybe a crack in exhaust manifold?

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:50:47 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: Rain Channel  G-Body.

Rain channels?

I am parting out an '85, would this have them?

Jim...

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:06:56 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

ightning rods are a good theft dterent since many people would be
confused and intimidated by them.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:11:42 -0700
From: "Wade Wilkins" <naturechasers@hamilton.net>
Subject: Re: 15th anniversary edition

Mike, do you have a contact name or number for Lauren Engineering who has
the H/O 83'-84 emblems on the dash or on top of the grill.  By the way what
is the paddock?  Thanks, Wade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: 15th anniversary edition


>> Emblems are rare indeed, don't know which you are refering to the stripe
kit
>> emblems (doors and trunk)from what I know are not available.( If anyone
does
>> know where to find them please let me know)
>
>Lauren engineering has repros, as well as the paddock for the 83/84 H/O
>last I checked.
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:17:49 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Song Detector

On Friday, October 02, 1998 9:16 AM, Steve Ochs 
[SMTP:Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com]
wrote: > > Hmmmmm - my original stock Delco radio (AM/FM with Equalizer) has
this > feature on the tape deck (1987 442).  Can't figure out why GM had it in 
>
1987 but you can't get it now.

Wow!  It does?  Is your radio option code UU6?  I have an AM/FM Delco radio
(with Eq.), but I didn't know it had a song skip feature on the tape!  FWIW,
mine's a 1984.  Do you know if all these Delco cassette players (the UU6
models) have song skippers?

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:19:12 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: State Fair of Texas

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Is anybody going to the State Fair this weekend?
There is a pretty good car show there (new and concept)
I think it is the biggest in the state...
I will be there Saturday morning and afternoon.
>Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible
442@oldsracing.com


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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:45:12 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

In which way do you mean.  More power, only at RPMs or what.  It seems to
starve at higher RPMs.  I blame the cam, but at mot really sure.  It could
be not getting all the fuel it needs.
>I have a Holley fuel pump in my 71 442 bored 30 over and camed,
>sure works better than stock fuel pump.

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:42:16 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> Yes, but people don't hotwire cars to steal them.  They bust open the
> steering column and duplicate the action of turning the ignition
> switch...
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA
>

Of course, this only applies to 69 and newer vehicles.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:09:29 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Kill Switch (was Alarms)

Hmmm...  reminds me of the day I found the innocent lil switch hidden in the
front cigar lighter...  flipped, and car wouldn't start...  until I realized
what the hidden switch was, and what it did, I spent about 30 minutes
pulling my hair out and cussing like a sailor because my car refused to
start...  :-)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kill Switch (was Alarms)


>All this talk of kill switches brought to mind my Scarlet.  When I was
>pulling her carpeting out I noticed several kill switch mechanism (3 I
>think
>that were once installed on the car).  They no longer work since the
>lady
>who had the car before me hot-wired the car so that all a person has to
>do is
>push a button and viole' (sp?).  Kind of defeats the purpose.
>
>
>Chris
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:06:44 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OLdsmobile book

I have neat book about Oldsmobiles. It is called " The Cars of
Oldsmobile".


What's the ISBN number?

It should be on one of the initial pages or on the book jacket.

TIA,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K


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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:11 -0700
From: Brandon M Rutschmann <cabruts@tscnet.com>
Subject: Leaky plugs under Carb

I am in the middle of trouble shooting my carb problems on my 71 olds cutlass.
I heard before that my problem might be two plugs on the bottom of the main 
body
of my carb leaking.  Now I have discovered there is four.  Are the problem 
plugs
located underneath the primary jets or under the secondary jets?  Thank you for
your help, Brandon M Rutschmann 71 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:50:27 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: ACK!!!!

I finally bought a timing light to set the timing on my 67 Toro, and
realized taht I dont have any info on which wire is the number one plug
wire, and I ahve no idea whaty to set the timing to.  Could someone please
tell me the firing order and location of the number 1 wire, as well as the
setting that the timing mark should be at when I adjust it???

for the info, I have a 67 Toro with the mighty 425, quadrajet, NOT 2bbl, and
no A.I.R....

in case it is inportant, the car has AC, PS, PB, and all that jazz (I dunno,
it makes a difference on newer cars...)  thanks all!!!

><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

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you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

- ----------------------------------Carpe
Noctum------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:44:15 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: knocking tranny

In a message dated 98-10-02 07:33:02 EDT, you write:

<< When ever I shift into drive (D), I get a loud knock. Only when shifted
into
 the drive gear. I don't understand why.
  >>

My turbo 400 does it when I throw it from park to 1st really fast (actually
more of a hard shudder with a slight knock). Done it since I've had it, and
haven't seen any problems caused by it. Checked the u-joints, brakes, gears,
etc. and no cause..must be in the trans, but why?? I don't worry about it
anymore. I just put it in gear slower : )  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:35:05 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: musical horns

Am interested in finding some musical horns that play
"In My Merry Oldsmobile". Anyone got any leads?

Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com)
71 442 W30 Red Convert.

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:47:50 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: hey Greg, what's going on with the list?

Is there something wrong at chebucto, or is everybody else fine and I'm
the only one getting screwed up?
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:25:14 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Alarms

dont they call that a reposession?......kk
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: Alarms


>Yes, if someone is determined to steal your car, he will do it one way or
>another regardless of all precautions.  Most car thieves do not have tow
>trucks however, I guess.
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>-
>On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:25:00 -0500 "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
>writes:
>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>
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>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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>>Even then, if someone has a flatbed tow-truck, they can just tow it
>>away. I
>>even heard of a case where a wealthy individual had a porsche parked
>>next
>>to his driveway. his house was surrounded by a 8 foot high brick wall
>>and
>>the only entrance was a gate which was metal and closed. Supposedly
>>someone
>>with a helicopter had some type of fold up lift. The helicopter then
>>just
>>lifted the car away. I don't know if this story is true, I just heard
>>it
>>from someone else.
>>
>>The towing away of a car is true. I know of numerous instances when
>>the car
>>had the best alarm and it was just towed away on a flatbed.
>>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>>
>>----------
>>> From: RGHaun@aol.com
>>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> Subject: Alarms
>>> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 1:29 PM
>>>
>>> Pitch the alarms, get a toggle switch, connect one terminal to
>>> the positive side of the coil, connect the other terminal to ground.
>>> Switch in one position will let you start the car, in other position
>>> car will not start. (don't forget to hide the toggle switch
>>somewhere)
>>Have
>>> had this connection on my car since I got it
>>> plus on my other cars. Can't get any cheaper protection than this.
>>> Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com)
>>> 71 442 W30 Red Convert.
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>>house =
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>>away. <i>I don't know if this story is true, I just heard it from =
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>
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:59:23 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

Well, I finally got around to pulling any error codes my computer had stored.

When the two pins were jumpered, there was a constant clicking from the engine
compartment.
 Tick-tick-tick.  Anyway, the check engine light just kept flashing code 12, 
the
ECM disconnect code.  It flashed 8 times until I pulled the jumper back out.  I
guess this is normal?  What would the tick-tick-tick be?  The car started and
ran normally after that, so I guess the ticking's normal.

I went to the local auto parts store, Advance Auto, and the old guy there 
didn't
seem to be making sense.  He said for pinging, go to a hotter plug or advance
the timing a little bit.  Isn't he backwards on both accounts?  If it were
spark plugs, I'd need colder ones, right?  And I don't need to advance the
timing...I need to ~retard~ the timing.  Speaking of plugs, though, should I 
try
 colder ones?  I have R46SX's in there now...could I try R45's or R44's?  And
would pulling one of the plugs indicate the need for colder ones?

Once again, thanks much!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:02:14 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass 's' exhaust system

2 1/2 in duels with a crossover(H) pipe right behind the tranny/driveshaft
junction...I like the sound of Flowmasters...3 chambered are a little mellower
than the two chambered. Before everyone says,"NOT ANOTHER FLOWMASTER!!!!!",
there is a reason why they are so popular.....they work!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olds Omega <oldsomega73@yahoo.com>
Subject: LIST?!?!?

Is the list down? I haven't gotten any messages for some time now?
Avery




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:25:25 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.

Kerry,
I'd like a copy of that show also if it's not too much trouble.
If you can e-mail me with your address and $$$ info I'll send it off right
away to you.

Thanks,
John_Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:33:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Chebucto Down Saturday AM

I'm informed that Chebucto will be down Saturday morning for about 3 hours
for maintenance purposes. Let's hope it comes back after lunch. :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:42:29 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tuning a carbonater (Quadrojet)

So, I'm going to attempt to get my new 75 Cutlass running a bit better.
It's a 350, 3.5hp, basic transportation car.  I got new plugs for it,
but it's sputtering more at idle than it should.  My only carberator
experience is Ski-Doo's and some limited small-engine carbs.

To be honest, car carbs scare me, but I don't want to dissasemble the
carb just yet.  It runs reasonably well, leading me to believe I could
try adjusting the air-mixture screws and running some cleaner through
it.  I know the theory behind air-adjustment screws, but I'm lost at
setting them properly on a quadrojet.  The car is in OK shape, but the
previous owners 'Fixed' a lot of stuff, so I wouldn't gaurantee the carb
will be set right to begin with.  Can somebody give me the basic lowdown
on which screw is which (idle / high speed), and a basic intro to
setting them (familiar with what they do, etc..just wouldn't know where
to start)

Respond to rosi@dlcwest.com or big_olds@hotmail.com privately if you
want to save mailing list space.


Thanx

Eric

http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:49:35 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging

 Dave,
Can't argue that point.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Pinging
> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:20 PM

> I read the same thing somewhere. Regardless, ~any~ engine knock is
> potentially destructive to your motor.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:50:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: test

test

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:53:22 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Olds, Non Olds

S-MAN,
BIG engine compartment!!! 455 w/ 400?? Getting too old and too poor for all
this, but-----
Lou

- ----------
> From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds, Non Olds
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:54 PM
>
> ------Hehe....sounds like another W-10 in the works.....:)For those
> that don't get that we built an S-10 with a Bravada nose and slight
> cosmetic changes( like OLDS.... across the tailgate), and 15"
> SSIII's....
>        Funny at the shows....people kept saying "I never knew they
> made a pickup" :)
>              Sman

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:59:49 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

Bob,
Now that is great, the heck with electronics, just a pull cable.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Ignition kill switch
> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:49 PM
> You know, a good anti-theft device is a manual choke.
> I found this out ten minutes after loaning my keys the a coworker
> so he could move my car so the pavers could do the lot. He comes
> back all nervous because my car wouldn't start.
> to his surprise, it fired right up when I did it.   :)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: RE: Exhaust FYI

> I am showing a mild layer of black soot. rearward of the side exhaust. I had
> thought the new duels would have the opposite effect. Freer exhaust on a
> system basically unchanged other than that, would lean out the system with
> more air flow ability. Stock computer, cam, carb, smog (O2 sender,
> functioning air pump even to both cats). Don't believe the Q-Jet has ever
> been modified to access adjustments. Stock HEI, 8.8 wires, proper (stock)
> gapped plugs. Any advice on adjusting the system to clear this up?

Before you start making any adjustments, you'll have to establish that
everything else is performing properly.  How old is the float?  Does the
inlet valve and seat show any wear?  Does the secondary air valve
move freely?  You'll need a service manual and dwell meter/scan tool to
verify the mixture control system.  There shouldn't be any
visible accumulation of soot with a well-running stock system, so the dual
exhaust should have no impact on this; the Q-jet can compensate for
various amounts of air flow within a certain range.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:09:23 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: Evergreen Muscle Car Supply

Anyone ever heard of these guys?
0----
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Chevelle, GTO, Oldsmobile 442, GS, Cuda, Firebird, RT, Buick GS, Chrysler,
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and lots more. Show room hours: Monday- Friday 9:30am-6:30pm; Saturday,
9:30am-3:30pm. Phone orders and UPS daily, 21030 84th Avenue South, Kent,
WA., 253-872-9477

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:09:19 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

Forgot who said it, about huge tracts of land. (Not written the same)
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
> To: oldslist <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars
> Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 7:55 PM
>
> Well folks, you asked for it:
>
> 65 Delta 88 2dr HT
> 66 Toronado Deluxe
> 68 Fairlane 500 station wagon
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr HT
> 70 442 W30 convertible
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr HT W31
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr HT
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr Sedan
> 71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr HT
> 72 442 W30 convertible
> 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> 72 Delta 88 Royale convertible
> 75 F100 pickup
> 82 Suburban
> 86 Cutlass Supreme 2dr ht
>
> +5 parts cars
>
>
> ==
> "2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"
>
> John Pajak
> Lexington Park, Maryland
>
> Check out our cars, trucks and a whole lot more at
> http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:12:42 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Pinging

Kerry,
Books could be written on the subject, will not burden the list.

             Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Pinging
> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 3:46 AM
>
> trust me pinging is simply less severe detonation no animals here both
are
> destructive similar effect to hitting the top of the piston with a hammer
> could look it up and do a couple of pages on the subject if you want but
> folks on the list would whine, delete it then complain about the way I
write
> in that order then ask for more info......kk

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:26:32 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

Ray,
Unfortunately, I smoke, not in either Olds, or in the wife's car, know
better!. Many HEAP filters in the house. Wish I could quit. It's the deer's
fault.
Lou B
- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:10 PM
> I hope that's not an anti-smoking statement.  I smoke to deal with the
> stress caused by the rise in price of cigarettes.!!  But, I DO NOT smoke
> in the Rocket!
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:34:56 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

To all,
Thats HEPA!!, Sorry
Lou

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:44:55 EDT
From: QUADER0069@aol.com
Subject: I've got one you don't have.

Lisa,

      I've got one you don't have.  I've got a 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass (hard
top) powered by a 455ci Oldsmobile engine on a 400 super trans.  I love that
car and I can deffinitely understand your love for Oldsmobile.  I'm in the
midst of customizing it so no pictures yet.  Don't worry though I'm doing
nothing to change the overall look of the car.  Take good care of those cars.

                                                                             J
eff

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:50:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Chebucto Down

As you may have already known there were problems today. See below:

EMAIL - Due to a corrupted system binary, mail sent through mailing lists
between Friday 11:48 am and 7:10 pm will need to be resent.
Mail sent from Pine between 4:22 pm and 7:10 pm will also need to be
resent. We apologize for the inconvenience.

SYSTEM MAINTENANCE - Saturday Oct. 3/98 Starting about 10:AM - for 1-2
hours to install and test upgrades to the operating system.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:26:35 -0700
From: Brandon M Rutschmann <cabruts@tscnet.com>
Subject: Leaky plugs under Carb

I am in the middle of trouble shooting my carb problems on my 71 olds cutlass.
I heard before that my problem might be two plugs on the bottom of the main 
body
of my carb leaking.  Now I have discovered there is four.  Are the problem 
plugs
located underneath the primary jets or under the secondary jets?  Thank you for
your help, Brandon M Rutschmann 71 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:42:29 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Leaky plugs under Carb

Under the primarys, these are the dreaded well plugs.

I don't know what the fix is though -- JB weld maybe?

Others?

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon M Rutschmann [mailto:cabruts@tscnet.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:27 PM
> To: 'oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca'
> Subject: Leaky plugs under Carb
>
>
> I am in the middle of trouble shooting my carb problems on my
> 71 olds cutlass.  I heard before that my problem might be two
> plugs on the bottom of the main body of my carb leaking.  Now
> I have discovered there is four.  Are the problem plugs
> located underneath the primary jets or under the secondary
> jets?  Thank you for your help, Brandon M Rutschmann 71
> Cutlass Supreme
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:51:22 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Leaky plugs under Carb

Chris, they make some O-rings for this, or they used to.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Leaky plugs under Carb
> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 6:42 PM
>
> Under the primarys, these are the dreaded well plugs.
>
> I don't know what the fix is though -- JB weld maybe?
>
> Others?
>
> cf
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brandon M Rutschmann [mailto:cabruts@tscnet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:27 PM
> > To: 'oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca'
> > Subject: Leaky plugs under Carb
> >
> >
> > I am in the middle of trouble shooting my carb problems on my
> > 71 olds cutlass.  I heard before that my problem might be two
> > plugs on the bottom of the main body of my carb leaking.  Now
> > I have discovered there is four.  Are the problem plugs
> > located underneath the primary jets or under the secondary
> > jets?  Thank you for your help, Brandon M Rutschmann 71
> > Cutlass Supreme
> >

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:32:59 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

Well, I finally got around to pulling any error codes my computer had stored.

When the two pins were jumpered, there was a constant clicking from the engine
compartment.
 Tick-tick-tick.  Anyway, the check engine light just kept flashing code 12, 
the
ECM disconnect code.  It flashed 8 times until I pulled the jumper back out.  I
guess this is normal?  What would the tick-tick-tick be?  The car started and
ran normally after that, so I guess the ticking's normal.

I went to the local auto parts store, Advance Auto, and the old guy there 
didn't
seem to be making sense.  He said for pinging, go to a hotter plug or advance
the timing a little bit.  Isn't he backwards on both accounts?  If it were
spark plugs, I'd need colder ones, right?  And I don't need to advance the
timing...I need to ~retard~ the timing.  Speaking of plugs, though, should I 
try
 colder ones?  I have R46SX's in there now...could I try R45's or R44's?  And
would pulling one of the plugs indicate the need for colder ones?

Once again, thanks much!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:44:32 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: use F body shocks on a G body?

I found a complete set of 4 new shocks on a 1980 Z28 in the salvageyard today.
Would these shocks work on my 80 Olds 442? If not how would they be different?
Physically they look identical to the ones I have on my 442. Thanks

Jason Labay

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:59:08 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Cutlass 4x4x4

Strange, In my local paper:

'80 Cutlass: 4x4x4, built SB Che*y, chopped top, loaded, 4 wheel steering,
trophy winner, $14,000.00 B/O

(ouch)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:06:32 -0500
From: "Poppy30" <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
Subject: ENGINE MOUNTS

WANTED: SET OF 455 ENGINE MOUNT FRAME PADS FOR 71 CUTLASS......E-MAIL
ME......POPPY30@MSN.COM

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:05:28 EDT
From: JDess@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust FYI

  Here you go Elwood,
  Now you can figure out what you need.
  Joe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:20:01 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: 72 Cutlass mirror removal

I am trying to remove the drivers mirror on the door on my 72 Cutlass Supreme.
I notice that it is riveted in. How do I get the mirror out? Drill the rivets
out? I already drilled one out and it is not moving around :-( I plan to 
replace
these mirrors anyway with more modern power heated mirrors. Thanks

Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:53:49 -0400
From: "Chris Smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Restoring SSI

>According to the chrome shops around here, the rim must
>be separated from the hub in order to replate.  And
>according to the wheel shops, this separation process
>will destroy either the hub or rim.  Thus requiring
>two sets of wheels to make one set.  By the time
>you add all this up, it's most likely going go be
>cheaper to purchase a new set from Specialty
>Wheel, Stockton Wheel, etc.

Greg,
OUCH!!!!  Not exactly encouraging news,  My other concern was answered by
Joe P earlier in how to get the black paint to stick to the chrome, but if
what you say is true (and I haven't checked with any places/shops yet) then
it may all be a moot (Is that correct Dave W. :)  point.  It may also be
moot because I will be swapping on a set of SSII, which I like much better.
 But thanks for the info.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@onexinc.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:29:42 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: jack hold down needed

List,

        I am looking for a jack hold down for my 67' Cutlass.
two pieces - one bolts to floor - the other is held down by a wing
nut. Not sure what other years work....

Tanks
The General

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:46:11 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Fail

Sure sounds like water pump to me. Just did one on my 307.  $35
A 4- beer job.

drc

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:48:25 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: knocking tranny

>When ever I shift into drive (D), I get a loud knock. Only when shifted
into
>the drive gear. I don't understand why.


A loud clunk when engaging the tranny is often a bad u-joint.

drc

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:09:24 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:26:32 -0500 "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
writes:
>Ray,
>Unfortunately, I smoke, not in either Olds, or in the wife's car, know
>better!. Many HEAP filters in the house. Wish I could quit. It's the
>deer's
>fault.
>Lou B
>----------
>> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
>Lou,
Yeah, damn that dear!  Why do you want to quit?  The tobacco companies
need our support to help pay the law suits.  But we shan't discuss such
things on the Olds list!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:57:33 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

>Well, I finally got around to pulling any error codes my computer had
stored.
>
>When the two pins were jumpered, there was a constant clicking from the
engine compartment.
> Tick-tick-tick.  Anyway, the check engine light just kept flashing code
12, the ECM disconnect
>code.  It flashed 8 times until I pulled the jumper back out.  I guess this
is normal?  What would
>the tick-tick-tick be?

That's the mixture control solenoid in the carb. The ECM buzzes it during
the test mode. And code 12 is also normal, no problem found.

>I went to the local auto parts store, Advance Auto, and the old guy there
didn't seem to be making
>sense.  He said for pinging, go to a hotter plug or advance the timing a
little bit.  Isn't he
>backwards on both accounts?

Yup. Doubt that plugs will make any difference though.

BTW I put some hi-test in mine, and the ping went almost completely away.
Not sure what that means yet. It certainly ain't high compression (7.99:1).
Unless there's enough carbon in there to make it higher. No run-on though,
and carbon usually does that.

drc

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:13:23 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass mirror removal

In a message dated 10/2/98 9:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlabay@neo.lrun.com writes:

<<
 I am trying to remove the drivers mirror on the door on my 72 Cutlass
Supreme.  I notice that it is riveted in. How do I
 get the mirror out? Drill the rivets out? I already drilled one out and it is
not moving around :-( I plan to replace
 these mirrors anyway with more modern power heated mirrors. Thanks

 Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
 http://home >>
Hi Jason
   These are not riveted, they are allen head screws, they go into the door
and when loosened the mirror moves over about 1/2 inch and pull out. the holes
are slotted in the door.



Everett OCA #1961   1961 Starfire

Everett

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:07:26 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Leaky plugs under Carb

> I heard before that my problem might be two plugs on the bottom of the main
body of my carb leaking.  Now I have discovered there is four.  Are the problem
plugs located underneath the primary jets or under the secondary jets?

        Brandon,

        Either or both sets of plugs can leak.   As you look at the bottom of
the main body, the secondary plugs are the large ones located between the
primaries and the secondaries.  The primary plugs are smaller and are located
between the front of the primaries and the front of the carb.  As another post
mentions, JB Weld should work fine.  However, be sure to thoroughly clean the
area you want to epoxy.  Use a small file or sandpaper.  Don't take alot of
material off, just clean it up.

        BTW, don't give up on the Q-Jet.  It's a much better carb than a lot of
guys realize.  In fact, I'm contemplating going from my Holley to a Q-Jet.

        Have Fun,

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:36:38 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

On Friday, October 02, 1998 9:58 PM, Dave Cullen [SMTP:david.cullen@snet.net]
wrote: > > BTW I put some hi-test in mine, and the ping went almost completely
away.

Yeah, the 93/94 usually does it for mine, too.  And I shouldn't be complaining
about it right now, with the gasoline prices so low.  Down here in SW VA, I can
get 93 for something like 1.19.  That's cheaper than I've seen in a while!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:10:36 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Radio Dash:Same or differnt

I was wondering if the radio setup for a 72 Olds 442 is the same as on a
Toronado-88 and 98? The main concern is if I can take a 72 Olds Cutlass
radio and install it in a Toronado / Delta 88 or 98?




Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:34:14 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Fail

Dave Cullen wrote:
>
> Sure sounds like water pump to me. Just did one on my 307.  $35
> A 4- beer job.

I can say the hardest part was getting the damn belts outta the way...

$35, and a 6-Beer for me  (Took me about 4 hours total, but I cheated, I
was three in before trying)

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:49:46 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> Yes, but people don't hotwire cars to steal them.  They bust open the
> steering column and duplicate the action of turning the ignition
> switch...
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA

Of course this method would only apply to 69 and newer vehicles.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:10:40 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: NAL, Web updates

Took someone's advice, can't remember who, about the National Auto
Lines radiator ...
____________

I normally avoid "me too" posts, but in this case I'd also like to thank
John Pajak for turning us on to National Auto Lines.  I also got their
catalog, which is full of tons of really cool stuff at reasonable prices,
and ordered up a Modine radiator.  In my case, it cost me $212 for a four
row for my new 69 442, but that's still a good deal.  It arrived in less
than 72 hours!  I highly recommend them.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:59:43 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Carlisle report

I just got back from a very loooong day at Carlisle, which resulted in
serious personal financial strain.  ;-)

I scored a number of items for my 69 442, including a weather strip set,
engine and air cleaner paint, an assortment of rubber bumpers and fillers
from Fusick, the one front fender patch panel from Autobody Specialties,
some outrageously expensive clips for the stainless trim, a new windshield
(only $109, plus $5 for the sealing tape), a brand new water pump for $25,
and I even found an ashtray door with the correct woodgrain applique (the
ever popular Carpinthian Elm Burl - yes, that's the official name; do you
think I could have made that up?).  I also finally picked up the chrome I
had replated for my 66 and managed to find one of the Oldsmobile ties.  I
also got the March 1969 issue of Hot Rod, which has the one and only print
ad for the W-32.

Spotted, but not purchased, were the following:

Two 69 O.A.I. air cleaners, one for $300 and one for $550.

A left red inner fender for a 69 for $400

A replated but still noticeably pitted trunk trim strip for a 66 442 for
$450

A cufflink/tie bar set with the old-style rocket for $20 (I agonized over
this one)

Several 65 and 68-72 grilles; lots of consoles; some sheet metal

An NOS 68 Toro quarter panel $300

An NOS 67 Cutlass front fender $500

And the one I really wanted, but couldn't justify:

A _1968_ 442 1/25 scale model.  This was a big surprise, since I'd never
seen one before.  Unfortunately, it wasn't in the original box, so I don't
know who made it.  It was a real 68 model however, not one of the AMT 69s
with conversion parts.  The model was partially assembled, lacked the
engine and trans, and had one of the vent window frames broken.  All that
for a mere $200.  Now I understand supply and demand, and that many rare
early plastic model kits are going for big dollars, but consider that I've
paid that much for some _real_ 442s (though in about the same shape - you
know, partially assembled, drivetrain missing, vent window busted out...).
;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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