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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, November 12 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1599



Any Good San Antonio Junkyards?
Light Bulb Upgrade
Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .
Fullsize Grille ID
442
Re: Light Bulb Upgrade
Re: no heat
Re: Uneven Rear
Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:05:41 -0800
Re: Light Bulb Upgrade
Re: Re: TBI
Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: unsubscribe
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
1962 olds f-85 cutlass (fwd)
SV: decoding
Re: Interior Painting
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Couse Customs gone
Books & Manuals
Re: Books & Manuals
Package Tray Fabric? 
Re: Books & Manuals
Looking For 1966 Starfire Parts
Re: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass (fwd)
Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question
Re: Package Tray Fabric? 
Re: Package Tray Fabric? 
Dup
Re: Interior Painting (It's HTML)
Fw: 442
Re: Couse Customs gone
(no subject)
RE: Package Tray Fabric? 
Vista Cruiser Web Page (WAS: Hurst Olds Vista Cruiser?)
RE: Package Tray Fabric? 
RE: Package Tray Fabric? 
Looking for junkyards
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry) me too
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
FW: Cutlass Supreme 3.4 1991
value
Re: value
Re: value
My email problems
Re: value
G-tech pro indorcements?
Re: Fullsize Grille ID
Parts needed for 70 442
Mondello's Cams
powertrax lock-rite
Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question
Re: value
??? 62-63 Dynamic 88?
Re: decoding
70 W31 harmonic balancer
Re: powertrax lock-rite
Re: 70 W31 harmonic balancer
700-r4 swapping
Re: cat converter
Metal In Oil Part III
Re: G-tech pro indorcements?
UNBOUNCE: '91 Cutlass 3.4L
UNBOUNCE: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question
Re: 700-r4 swapping
Re: Parts needed for 70 442

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:04:42 -0600
From: "Darrin Johnson" <xdarrinj@ti.com>
Subject: Any Good San Antonio Junkyards?

Can anyone recommend any good San Antonio, TX  junkyards?  I am going to be
there next week for a couple of days and would like to spend some time
searching for parts.

Darrin
72 Cutlass Convertible
djohnsn@ibm.net

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:04:08 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Light Bulb Upgrade

Something some of you Olds heads out there should do, just for safety.
Change the light bulbs in you ride!  Why?  The old 1156 and 1157's just
aren't bright as they could be, so swap them for the 2056 and 2057.  I think
there is a 2357 out there too.  I do not know how many more candlepower, but
it cannot hurt to try.  There is another if you have room, like for floor
lights, use the 92 inplace of the 196's.  MUCH brighter, at least 200%
brighter.  My wife can see the floor of the car when she opens the door now.
May be able to be used in marker lights if you want them brighter.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:19:36 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .

Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:

> Anyone know what the part houses call it?  GM calls it EFE, but the
> autoparts stores seem clueless to the name.

        Lou Biggs had a good idea.  He knows this as the heat riser, which is
what I always called it, too.  BTW, the term EFE can confuse some folks.  I 
know
some later carbureted cars used a different type of EFE system.  It consisted 
of
an electrically operated heater grid that was positioned between the carb and
intake manifold.  The heat riser was not used on these cars. My C*v*lier had
this system.  Don't know what other cars had it.  Anyway, if you say "EFE" to
the parts store guys they may be thinking of this later system, then when you
mention exhaust, they give you the deer in the headlights look.  Maybe they'd
understand the term "heat riser" better.  Then again, maybe not.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:34:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Fullsize Grille ID

I know that the '85 Delta 88 used the large-grid chromed grille that was
originally used on the '80 98. Did this grille carry on in the Custom
Cruiser wagons after that? There's a nice-looking CC here that has it and
I'm wondering if it is an '85 or other year. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:33:59 -0500
From: "JOE LA NOVARA" <jnovara@total.net>
Subject: 442

JP 60's Hi looking for fully restored Muscle Cars then check out my web
page.
http://www.total.net/~jnovara
Your Northern Muscle Car Connection

Now for sale,

1969 Z-28 302 DZ, 4 speed M21, 12 bolt 4.10. Burgundy, white stripes, black
interior.
1969 Camaro SS 454, 4 speed M21, 12 bolt 4.10, White , orange stripes,
black interior.
1970 Boss 302 Mustang, 4 speed, posi 3.50. Grabber blue, black stripes,
Deluxe Black interior.
1971 Olds 442 W-30, 455, th400, posi 3.73, Yellow black stripes, white
interior.

For more info or pictures.
Phone ( 450) 663-7490 Joe

          ( 514) 830-6342 Pat

or Email at jnovara@total.net.

Thank you for all your time, bye


http://www.total.net/~jnovara
Your Northern Muscle Car Connection

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:51:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Light Bulb Upgrade

Anyone know the candlepower rating of these bulbs?

Here's a table I posted a while back with the ones I could find. The ones
Tom mentions aren't listed unfortunately.

Bulb #	Candlepower

93	15
97	4
161	1
168	3
194	2
211	12
212	6
216	2
558	7
562	6
564	2
631	6
756	0.31
906	6
1003	15
1141	21
1155	4
1156	32
1157	3 & 32
1445	0.7
1816	3
1891	2	
1893	2


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:03:13 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: no heat

> Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but from
> the sound of this, it sure sounds like the heater core is plugged.
[...]
> Try pulling off the hoses and reverse flushing the core (water
> pressure in from the pump side and out from the block side of
> the core).

Agree with Joe here; sounds like the core is bad. You have nothing
to lose by backflushing it exactly as he describes -- heck, I would
do the entire system, but first I'd try specifically flushing only
the core to see what comes out -- although I agree there's some risk
of opening up pinholes in what must be a pretty cruddy core by now.
If it does spring a leak afterwards, at least you will know pretty
quickly by all the window-fogging.  :-}  You may not necessarily get
puddles on the passenger's floor; if you're lucky it might drain out
the A/C evaporator drain tube to the pavement instead.

What year of car were we talking about here? If it's a front-loading
core that goes in from under the hood ('81 and up; possibly even '78
and up), it should be pretty painless. Earlier than that, you might
have to go in under the dash...

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:04:28 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Uneven Rear

Just repeating what is in the Oldsmobile chassis manual

Brian Kerr

Shang wrote:

> Brian Kerr wrote:
> >
> > Move the car around some, bounce it up and down a few times, make sure 
nothing is
> > hanging up in the suspension, and check for 200 pounds of tools all on one 
side of
> > the trunk. If everything is ok, loosen the upper and lower arm bolts, and 
rear
> > bolts, adjust car to proper ride ht and retorqe everything to specs.
> >
> > Brian Kerr
> > 69 Cutlass Conv
>
> I agree with checking the car over for weighted items and level ground,
> but I do not believe there are any adjustments available at the control
> bolts. Car ride height should be entirely determined by the springs.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Supreme

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:05:41 -0800
From: Matt Laspia <mattl@connexn.com>
Subject: Date:	Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:05:41 -0800

Hello,

I have a '67 Olds Cutlass Supreme convertible with a 330 engine. The 
bearings are ceased among other things, so I need to repair or replace it. 
I have it a repair shop and they said they can't find a replacement and if 
they rebuilt it, it would cost around $2500.00. What are my options? What 
engines can I swap it with? Can I swap it with a 350? Basically, I want to 
swap it with a used engine and restore it later; what are my options? 
Thanks for your time and help.

Regards,

Matt Laspia

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:14:57 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Light Bulb Upgrade

Be carefull about too high a wattage of bulb. The more heat, the more likely 
you
are to melt some of the interior lens material. I have two brown spots in the
center of the lenses in my 69 convertible because I installed too hot a bulb.
That reference list of bulbs is what I was looking for this summer after I
toasted my lenses.

Brian Kerr

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:44:06 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: TBI

In a message dated 11/10/98, 5:18:25 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<
Fuel injected Olds?? Never heard of this. Can I get alittle more input??>>
Are we talking from the factory or after market . My 70 olds is fuel injected
using the holley pro fuel injection 900cfm

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:11:45 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

Sorry about the waste,
But I was just curious as to who has this. I know Karl has it, along
with most people on AOL, but who else?

BTW- my name is CSupreme73 if anyone wants to get ahold of me.
- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:30:45 EST
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

i have it     RICH6986    much cheaper than using a phone

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:38:30 EST
From: BlueBlows@aol.com
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

I lost directions on how to unsubscribe. I just don't have the time to keep
up. Please delete me or fwd instructions how to unsubscribe. 
thanks,
BlueBlows@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:22:48 -0700
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I've got it, screen name TStarkey1

Tom Starkey - '68 Cutlass Supreme

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Sorry about the waste,
> But I was just curious as to who has this. I know Karl has it, along
> with most people on AOL, but who else?
> 
> BTW- my name is CSupreme73 if anyone wants to get ahold of me.
> --
> ***********
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> ***************************
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
> 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
> 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
> *******************************************
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> *******************************************

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:38:48 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

What appears to be by some a waste of band width, may actually save band
width on the list. There are MANY of us out here that have IM capabilities
(and it works with ICQ messaging too) and will be able to keep tabs and
chat without doing some of these "One Liner" replies. Just had to pat Matt
on the back for thinking, which is more than I have done in the recent
days...

Ben
Shocker442 is my screenname
Still selling my C heads and my 62 F-85
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:51:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass (fwd)

Received this personally, maybe someone here can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: WRSKNS@aol.com
Subject: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass

would like to link up with some one that has good info on restoring a 1962
cutlass and info on parts, any help appreciated,  robert

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:36:21 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: decoding

 I don't believe
>you could get an F-85 Holiday Coupe in 1969.
>
Joe are  right as usuall
if my memory is correct the SC was the only body style available in 69 on the 
f85.
by the way my olds is a 69 F85 have you checked it out yet?

Trond

69 F85 - se it at: http://home.c2i.net/trondped/olds

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:26:41 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Interior Painting

Ray, 
It be blue, mine be black. IE 4.0
Lou

- ----------
From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Interior Painting
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:02 PM

Well, it probably appears dofferent to you.  But in this message, the font
is different and all my typings are blue.  You know as in the color.  You
are black.  Also there's some bold stuff happening.  Are you using Outlook
Express?
Ray

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:33:18 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I have it!...AOL and non-aol versions.
Collyn

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:01:39 EST
From: MegaDelta@aol.com
Subject: Couse Customs gone

Well, I've been fired from doing the Couse Customs website, so anyone who has
bookmarks to the current site, please delete.  If you want to know about the
new site, ask him, 'cause I don't know.  If you want to take one last look at
my efforts, I encourage you to do so.

The address is
http://members.tripod.com/~cousecustoms

- ---------------------------------
Joe Sherbanenko
Burnsville, MN
G-body List and general email go to- jcrash7@aol.com
Olds list email- megadelta@aol.com
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
ICQ#- 4856181
- ---------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:02:29 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (CHARLES F KEMP)
Subject: Books & Manuals

Hello all, I was looking at the books available in a catalog from U.S.A.
Parts Supply Ltd. and was wondering if anyone owns any of the chassis
service manuals or the master parts books. If so, were they worth the
money since they're not that cheap. I own the assembly manual and find it
very helpful.
Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
'67 442
'67 Cutlass S
'67 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:17:38 -0600
From: "John Kreitzer" <john.kreitzer@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Books & Manuals

I have the Chassis Service Manual for my 72 H/O and have found it to be
invaluable. The assembly manuals good when it comes time to reassemble major
areas, such as an interior (which I am currently in the process of doing)
but the service manual definatly gets used much more often in my house. My
$.02

John

- -----Original Message-----
From: CHARLES F KEMP <bloom9@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:08 PM
Subject: Books & Manuals


>Hello all, I was looking at the books available in a catalog from U.S.A.
>Parts Supply Ltd. and was wondering if anyone owns any of the chassis
>service manuals or the master parts books. If so, were they worth the
>money since they're not that cheap. I own the assembly manual and find it
>very helpful.
>Fred Kemp
>bloom9@juno.com
>'67 442
>'67 Cutlass S
>'67 Cutlass
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:47:27 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Package Tray Fabric? 

Anybody know where I can get the package tray material for my 1966 starfire?
This is the rather loose weave which covers the flat surface just beneath
the rear window.

TIA

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:52:41 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Books & Manuals

At 04:02 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello all, I was looking at the books available in a catalog from U.S.A.
>Parts Supply Ltd. and was wondering if anyone owns any of the chassis
>service manuals or the master parts books. If so, were they worth the
>money since they're not that cheap.

The Best money you can spend on this hobby (obsession?) is 
a factoty servie manual.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:57:04 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Looking For 1966 Starfire Parts

Many of you know I'm rebuildling my 1966 Starfire. I made lots of progress
on Sunday getting the dash back in with new pad from just dashes and nice
speed minder speedo. Got the modern stereo speakers in now too and will put
the balance of the stereo in this weekend.

Bad news is I can't get the reverb and amplifier to work. Two of the pins
broke off the switch. I promptly (carefully) resoldered them, but the
amp/reverb system doesn't work. Damn. So I'm looking for at least the
underdash reverb switch, but would consider a whole package if I have to.
This is a neat feature of these cars. To me.

Also I'm looking for the plastic shifter cover which is clear with the
markings for the gear positions for the console. Can these be remade? If so,
by who? Anybody have a nice one. Here again, I'm interested in the part, but
would consider a whole console if necessary. 

Also does anyone have a working  way power seat system for this car? I'm
trying to not cut the factory seat mount points and am about to do so to
install a later 6 way system. I'm sure you've seen my rants on this before,
but I thought I'd take one last shot at the factory system just for
originality's sake. 

Also anyone have an extra 1965-1966 big car cruise control? The one on my
convertible is only mostly functional, but again, I like these toys on these
cars. This is the funky two way reversible motor system used only in these
years on the big cars. Very similar to the C*ddy  system from these years,
but the controls are different for C*ddy.

Hoping you all can help me along. The car is a beaut. I'm still waiting for
the door panels from SMS up in Oregon, more on their work when I get the
panels back. 

cheers,
cf

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:01:10 -0600
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass (fwd)

i have a 62 cutlass email me if you need anything
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:58 PM
Subject: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass (fwd)


>Received this personally, maybe someone here can assist.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: WRSKNS@aol.com
>Subject: 1962 olds f-85 cutlass
>
>would like to link up with some one that has good info on restoring a 1962
>cutlass and info on parts, any help appreciated,  robert
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:09:51 -0500
From: "laurencesimpson" <laurencesimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question

Hi David:

    If I'm not mistaken, Erson cams was purchased by Mr. Gasket about 6
months.  See their website www.mrgasket.com to get a phone # for
information.  Good luck!

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
HOCA#514
88 H/O Advisor
- -----Original Message-----
From: Worthington, David L <david_worthington@reyrey.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>;
'olds_gbody@listbot.com' <olds_gbody@listbot.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:07 AM
Subject: last night's 455 teardown / Cam Question


>
>Hey folks,
>
>I tore into the 455 for next year's race vehicle and found out a previous
>owner had a passion for Erson products, namely dual valvesprings / lifters
/
>cam / valve covers....
>
>After finally getting to the camshaft...I saw on the distributor end of the
>cam "ERSON TQ-20H"
>Any help on finding out the lift/duration numbers???  I'm running into a
>dead end.  Jegs and Summit dont sell erson stuff... the only other place I
>knew of that sold Erson was Super Shops and they thankfully went out of
>business.  I usually wont use erson cams because they seem like chevy
>patterns copied to an olds blank.  No split duration and lift.
>
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Dave Worthington
>(havent had any luck in finding my stolen 2x4 intake and carbs yet)

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:21:58 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Package Tray Fabric? 

Chris, 
Try Greg Rollins @ Supercars Unl, ph # 503-244-8249 or Jim & Jo Chermack,
(sorry lost their #) they are on the list, might as well keep the money in
the family if they have the items you need. If not, USA has them for 37.95,
ph# 800-872-2013. 
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Package Tray Fabric? 
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:47 PM
> 
> Anybody know where I can get the package tray material for my 1966
starfire?
> This is the rather loose weave which covers the flat surface just beneath
> the rear window.
> 
> TIA

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:13:05 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Package Tray Fabric? 

Chris, 
USA parts shows one for 37.95. Ph 800-872-2013.---- Better yet, have you
tried Jim and Jo Chermack, or Greg Rollins @ Supercars,ph 503-244-2857.
They are on the list, buy from them if they have it, ( Not USA, just the
last two mentioned, might as well keep the money between friends). Sorry J
& J, can't find your phone #.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Package Tray Fabric? 
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:47 PM
> 
> Anybody know where I can get the package tray material for my 1966
starfire?
> This is the rather loose weave which covers the flat surface just beneath
> the rear window.
> 
> TIA

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:25:40 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Dup

All, 
may have sent a dup. message, was lost in comp. somewhere and reappeared
somehow. Sorry!

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:14:37 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Interior Painting (It's HTML)

 Well, it probably appears dofferent to you.  But in this message, the font
is different and all my typings are blue.  You know as in the color.  You
are black.  Also there's some bold stuff happening.  Are you using Outlook
Express

Igor & Ray,
I sent this message yesterday but didn't see it, so I guess it didn't go
through.

Igor,
You have your HTML turned on. If you're using Microsoft Outlook Express
(probable,since their IE 4.x is usually set up as the default with Windows
95/98).
Go to "Tools, Options, Send" and check the "plain text" box instead of the
HTML box which is the default.
In the same window, there is a list of boxes at the bottom. Uncheck the box
that says "reply to messages in the format in whiich they are sent".
Ray, you need to uncheck this box too. That's why you are "blue" :-)
Olds content.
My 69 Cutlass is being moved to Florida (from Indiana), on Dec 1. on the
same truck as the household goods. The low quote moving company is only
charging my company $995 extra for the car.
It would probably be cheaper to ship it separately but since I'm not paying,
what the heck.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:18:40 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Fw: 442

Hello Oldsters,
received this e-mail from my Web site. All the usual discaimers yadda,
yadda.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================
- ----- Original Message -----
From: JOE LA NOVARA <jnovara@total.net>
To: <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 11:39 PM
Subject: 442


>
>JP 60's Hi looking for fully restored Muscle Cars then check out my web
>page.
>http://www.total.net/~jnovara
>Your Northern Muscle Car Connection
>
>Now for sale,
>
>1969 Z-28 302 DZ, 4 speed M21, 12 bolt 4.10. Burgundy, white stripes, black
>interior.
>1969 Camaro SS 454, 4 speed M21, 12 bolt 4.10, White , orange stripes,
>black interior.
>1970 Boss 302 Mustang, 4 speed, posi 3.50. Grabber blue, black stripes,
>Deluxe Black interior.
>1971 Olds 442 W-30, 455, th400, posi 3.73, Yellow black stripes, white
>interior.
>
>For more info or pictures.
>Phone ( 450) 663-7490 Joe
>          ( 514) 830-6342 Pat
>
>or Email at jnovara@total.net.
>
>Thank you for all your time, bye
>
>http://www.total.net/~jnovara
>Your Northern Muscle Car Connection

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:34:57 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Couse Customs gone

There's a story in here somewhere...

At 04:01 PM 11/11/98 , you wrote:
>Well, I've been fired from doing the Couse Customs website, so anyone who has
>bookmarks to the current site, please delete.  If you want to know about the
>new site, ask him, 'cause I don't know.  If you want to take one last look at
>my efforts, I encourage you to do so.
>
>The address is
>http://members.tripod.com/~cousecustoms
>
>---------------------------------
>Joe Sherbanenko
>Burnsville, MN
>G-body List and general email go to- jcrash7@aol.com
>Olds list email- megadelta@aol.com
>http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
>ICQ#- 4856181
>---------------------------------
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:51:59 EST
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

Please delete me from list untill notified when to start up again.
Thanks, Ron Haun (rghaun@aol.com)

71 442 W30 Red Convert.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:58:45 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Package Tray Fabric? 

Yeah, nice usage of correct terminology there...

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Fair
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 5:47 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Package Tray Fabric?


Anybody know where I can get the package tray material for my 1966 starfire?
This is the rather loose weave which covers the flat surface just beneath
the rear window.

TIA

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:14:22 -0600
From: texas442 <texas442@flash.net>
Subject: Vista Cruiser Web Page (WAS: Hurst Olds Vista Cruiser?)

There are more pictures of these cars on this web page:

http://www.flash.net/~texas442/wagons.html

Ali

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:11:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: Package Tray Fabric? 

I had always heard of this material referred to as woven straw. I suppose
craft-type places might have it that you could dye to match. I remember
that the package tray I bought was made by an outfit called R.E.M. (no,
not the band) so if you could track them down maybe they could sell you
some of the bulk material.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:14:16 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Package Tray Fabric? 

thanks for noticing, correct terminology keeps the amount of info we all
have to remember down. 

My dad was also an engineer with a thing about precise language.  

Olds content: My 98 convertible was my father's oldsmobile. He was cool in
1966!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Costanzo [mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:59 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Package Tray Fabric? 
> 
> 
> Yeah, nice usage of correct terminology there...
> 
> 
> 
> Anybody know where I can get the package tray material for my 
> 1966 starfire?
> This is the rather loose weave which covers the flat surface 
> just beneath
> the rear window.
> 
> TIA
> 

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:14:01 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Looking for junkyards

If anybody can tell me if there are any worthwhile junkyards in the areas I
will drive through I would really appreciate it.
I will be driving up to New Orleans around the Gulf of Mexico along I-10.
Covering Florida(all of it), Alabama, Mississippi. After which I will head
up to Virginia. Covering Georgia, No. an So. Carolinas and a big part of
Virginia. After that ???? As many of you know my '69 Olds needs parts and he
will get them. If any of you have seen any cars like mine, please let me
know, I might change my route and come up your way. And to keep traffic to a
minimum, for Greg's sake, please E-Mail direct at :
VBDeveloper@worldnet.att.net




                                       =
                                           =
                                                =
==================================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba======
====666=====================999===
        666                                          666

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:37:25 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I got it, USMC1992
Chris Brown
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Elric <Elric>
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)


>
>I've got it, screen name TStarkey1
>
>Tom Starkey - '68 Cutlass Supreme
>
>Matt Cremean wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry about the waste,
>> But I was just curious as to who has this. I know Karl has it, along
>> with most people on AOL, but who else?
>> 
>> BTW- my name is CSupreme73 if anyone wants to get ahold of me.
>> --
>> ***********
>> Matt Cremean
>> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
>> ***************************
>> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
>> 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
>> 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
>> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
>> *******************************************
>> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>> *******************************************
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:49:24 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry) me too

Im under  rcktpwr     feel free to add me to anyone's list

Bernie

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:17:42 -0500
From: Shawn <shawno22@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I have it as well, shawno222...


Shawn
1984 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:16:51 -0000
From: "Peter van der Wijngaard" <forwine@cgocable.net>
Subject: FW: Cutlass Supreme 3.4 1991

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter van der Wijngaard [mailto:forwine@cgocable.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 1998 9:22 PM
To: Olds Mailing List
Subject: Cutlass Supreme 3.4 1991


Hi guys,

Just wondered my olds stalls now and then and i noticed that it happens only
when I take a turn,does anyone know what causes this???

Thanks

Peter (simonp@cgocable.net)

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:17:09 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: value

  I am in a tough situation I have a 69 cutlass i would love to fix up.My
problem is I just found a 75 h/o it needs a good bit of work but it is suppose
to have original engine and tranny. He wants $700 for it. I know most of you
want to know what the real problem is(I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO BOTH) sorry i just
had to get that out if i get the 75 then i need to sell my 69(any offers?)
Any advice would be helpful.
  

Thank you 
Dino

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:32:05 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: value

BUY IT!...It can wait to get fixed...the vin# is worth that kinda money!

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:37:06 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: value

ya, sell me the 75. just kidden? good luck.
Dennis
w451973 

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:39:54 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: My email problems

This is a test to see if I can get on the list again. I had some problems
with my ISP and "hopefully" they are now resolved. We shall see.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:35:33 -0500
From: "Todd M.Williams" <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: value

At 09:32 PM 11/11/98 EST, you wrote:
>BUY IT!...It can wait to get fixed...the vin# is worth that kinda money!
>

speaking of value im tryin like heck to sell a 74 442 all org. with 87550
miles and have all the papers from when it was bought brand new just needs
some work would someone like to look at it and give me an idea of a price
or an offer but an idea would be good for starters here it is 

<http://www.wvadventures.net/home/Todd/default.html> 

email me with your ideas 
todd@wvadventures.net

ps and as for geting rid of your 69? for the 75 id try to keep the 69 also
if you had a good place to store it till you could get around to it or you
mite later be sorry you got rid of it 

my 2 cents

Todd

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:52:04 -0500
From: "Gregory Zimmerman" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: G-tech pro indorcements?

Anyone out there personally use or witness a G-tech pro?  How do the
results compare with real world drag strip times?

(The G-tech pro is a radar detector sized accelerometer that gives
1/4miles times, 0-60mph, cornering g's, braking times, etc... and cost
$140)  They claim it's more accurate than the timing lights at the
dragstrip...I'd get it if it was within a 1/10th of a second to help
with tuning my car.

- -greg

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:31:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Fullsize Grille ID

> I know that the '85 Delta 88 used the large-grid chromed grille that was
> originally used on the '80 98. Did this grille carry on in the Custom
> Cruiser wagons after that? There's a nice-looking CC here that has it and
> I'm wondering if it is an '85 or other year. Thanks!

Yes, ('85?)'86-'90 Custom Cruisers used the "98" full chrome front end
treatment.  The grill texture and pattern did change slightly at least
once during that period.  1988-90 wagons have a brushed stainless C-pillar
panel and easily visible rear seat shoulder belts.  I recently saw a '90
CC with the factory gauge package, which seems to be a rare option.  The
odd thing was that the cruise control servo mounting bracket was a bit
different from earlier 307s I've seen; one end went straight to the
driver's side cylinder head rather than to a special area on the aluminum
alternator bracket.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:41:29 -0800
From: Andrew Kunzie <akunzie@mediaone.net>
Subject: Parts needed for 70 442

I am looking for a right front fender for a 1970 442. I am sure that a
cutlass front fender would work but I understand there is difference
between the fenders for a 70 442 and a 70 cutlass.  I also need a set of
grills for this car. I know that I can buy remakes but I really want to
keep the car as original as possible.

Can you help?   I need:

70 - 442 pass. side front fender
70 - 442 grilles

Thanks.

Andy

70 442

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:52:30 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Mondello's Cams

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Anyone out there running a JM 4-5 hydraulic cam in their 455? 

The specs are as follows :: Intake Lift 0.542 Exhaust Lift 0.558  
			    Intake @ .050 = 238*  
		                Exhaust @ .050 = 246*

I seen the Car Craft issue not too long ago with a special on the 455 with
Joe Mondello and the JM 4-5 cam was used. The motor had bracket ported
heads and an Edelbrock intake and the motor made 504 HP at 52505 RPM and
559lb-ft of torque at 3,750RPM. 

My motor has basically the same setup (bracket ported heads, Edelbrock
intake,etc.etc.) except it had the JM-22-25-10 cam in it. The motor made
440HP and 535lbs of torque. The car it was in was a 72 442 and it ran 12.50
@ 106MPH. I was looking to step up to the JM 4-5 hyd. cam. 

My question is if this is a good choice for a street, sometimes strip car?
Could I gain another 60HP from what I had before?
Is there any drawbacks? (except of course poor gas mileage)
Anyone out there had any experience with this or another Mondello cam?

					

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:51:16 EST
From: CS81w350@aol.com
Subject: powertrax lock-rite

   Anybody have any experiance with this type of locker differential for a
daily driven vehicle?  Is it noisy?  Could it harm the drivetrain in any way?
Winter is coming on and this year, when I get stuck, I would at least like to
see 2 tires helplessly spinning.  Personnally I like the idea of a regular
anti-spin better, but if I could install the lock-rite myself for around $350,
it sure is tempting.

TIA
Matt Pokorny
cs81w350@aol.com
Ames, IA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:55:26 -0800
From: John Barnett <john@jb-net.com>
Subject: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question

> After finally getting to the camshaft...I saw on the distributor end of the
> cam "ERSON TQ-20H"
> Any help on finding out the lift/duration numbers???  I'm running into a
> dead end.  Jegs and Summit dont sell erson stuff... the only other place I
> knew of that sold Erson was Super Shops and they thankfully went out of
> business.  I usually wont use erson cams because they seem like chevy
> patterns copied to an olds blank.  No split duration and lift.
___________________________

Amazingly enough, I found an Erson catalog that
I've had since 1989.  I never
used one of their cams, but I have used their
forged aluminum roller rockers.
They do list some cams with dual profile.  Anyway,
here's the details on your
camshaft:

From book - "The performer. Super mid range and
top end power. Acceptable
idle and low end power plus fuel economy.  Good
driveability."

Valve Lift  : .478
Duration    :  292 deg
Dur @ .050  :  214 deg
Timing      :  IO=39 IC=73 EO=81 EC=31

Hope this helps! -John

64 D88
69 442
71 VC

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:09:55 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: value

In a message dated 98-11-11 21:20:10 EST, you write:

<<  I am in a tough situation I have a 69 cutlass i would love to fix up.My
 problem is I just found a 75 h/o it needs a good bit of work but it is
suppose
 to have original engine and tranny. He wants $700 for it. I know most of you
 want to know what the real problem is(I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO BOTH) sorry i just
 had to get that out if i get the 75 then i need to sell my 69(any offers?)
 Any advice would be helpful.
   
 
 Thank you 
 Dino
  >>
Yes sir, sell the 75 to my bud Denny (W451973)  He loves H/O's and especially
the 73-75 cars.  email him at w451973@aol.com

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:11:40 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: ??? 62-63 Dynamic 88?

I found a 62 or 63 Dynamic 88 two door a few months back.  I can't 
remember exactly the year. The side mirrors were monted on top of the 
fenders, and it has a curved front winshield that curves into the roof.  
I can get the car for around $300.  The winshield and back glass are 
shattered.  I was scared off by this, because I would imagine the glass 
would be hard to find and expensive.  An ideas on how much it could be 
worth and aprox. cost of glass?  It is all original and has been sitting 
for a least 5 years.  Thanks for the help.



______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:16:37 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: decoding

I almost bought one about two years ago, they were availible in holiday 
coupes!!!!

 For example, I don't believe
>you could get an F-85 Holiday Coupe in 1969.
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:22:08 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: 70 W31 harmonic balancer

Can anyone describe to me what a 70 W31 harmonic balancer looks like? 

Found to be what looks like a 70 Ralleye yellow Cutlass S with an aluminum
intake,RA hood, spoiler,guages,dual gate and not sure if it's a Ralleye 350 or
a w31. Looks more like a Ralleye 350. Doesn't have the W-31 emblems, but the
intake and different harmonic balancer are confusing. No, I would highly doubt
it's a W-31 Ralleye but never know.
Thanks
 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:30:10 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: powertrax lock-rite

At 12:51 AM 11/12/98 EST, you wrote:
>
>   Anybody have any experiance with this type of locker differential for a
>daily driven vehicle?  Is it noisy?  Could it harm the drivetrain in any way?
>Winter is coming on and this year, when I get stuck, I would at least like to
>see 2 tires helplessly spinning.  Personnally I like the idea of a regular
>anti-spin better, but if I could install the lock-rite myself for around
$350,
>it sure is tempting.
>
>TIA
>Matt Pokorny
>cs81w350@aol.com
>Ames, IA

I'm running the powrtrax on my cutlass... I love it.. It locks down
extremely well... I'm not having very good luck with tranny's, but I don't
think that is b/c of the powertrax... As far as noise.., it does click on
turns, and it is very noticable if you don't have the radio on.. With the
stereo on halfway I don't hear a thing though- and that's usually how I
drive..In my personal opinion it works better than an antispin - and I
would definately reccomend it - if the clicking on turns doesn't bother you..
As far as installation, I've had freinds do it with no problem.. I had a
local GM dealership install both the powertrax and a new ring and pinion
for me, - cost me 100 bucks all together.

Happy Oldsmobiling!!


T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350
Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks
ICQ #14636138
					
Mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu		   
http://students.ou.edu/S/Tracy.H.Shires-1/

University of Oklahoma
Mechanical Engineering


"If it was put together, it can be taken apart."

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:42:06 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 W31 harmonic balancer

I had a 70 W-31


The balancer was BIG and Wide   with a belt pully that was cone shaped about 5
- -7 inches from the balancer.  The balancer did not have a "step" in it  it 
was
big and wide    I have pictures of it if you need.


Vinny
68 Hurst/Olds
62 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:34:07 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: 700-r4 swapping

Does anyone have experience with swapping in a 700-r4? I have a 2004r in my
car right now, but it's shot.. Being on an EXTREMELY tight budget right
now, I found a tranny friend of mine that's willing to give me a 700-r4 in
pretty good shape - since ch*vy parts are a dime a dozen...

The faq states I will need to shorten the driveshaft three inches, and then
later says the stock driveshaft will work with no mods? I'm hoping I don't
have to hack my driveshaft since I just had it balanced..

My transmission guy said the tranny he had was of the better spline
count.., after reading up on it I'm assuming he means the 30 splined 85'
and up, but I'll double check that.. If so, the 200-4r only has 27
splines.. What cars could I get a new yoke for it? I'm of course assuming
here the input and output shaft have the same number of splines - correct
me if I wrong...

Any advice from someone who's done this particular swap would be greatly
appreciated!!
Thanks,


T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350
Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks
ICQ #14636138
					
Mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu		   
http://students.ou.edu/S/Tracy.H.Shires-1/

University of Oklahoma
Mechanical Engineering


"If it was put together, it can be taken apart."

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:52:06 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: cat converter

As far as I remember on my old '76 Delta 88, the cat was bolted in not
welded.  However if the exhaust has ever been changed before (and probably
has) who knows what kind of arrangement it is.  If I were you I would use
this as excuse to get good dual 2.5" exhaust with no cats.  It would really
wake up the 455 or a 350, whichever.  If you can't cause of emissions then
build a bypass pipe for the cat (or have it built by the exhaust shop, just
say the car is propane :-).  If that is a no-no as well, then I guess get a
new cat.  Good luck.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 11, 1998 6:52 AM
Subject: cat converter


>Heard something rattling around the other day. Seems it's the cat
>converter.Something must have cooked inside there and broken off. Is there
any
>way to remove it without re welding?
>tia
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv.
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:00:19 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Metal In Oil Part III

I think I finally found the problem.  Today I was at the bodyshop all day
removing bumpers and all chrome from my car (tomorrow interior).  Checking
the fresh oil I took a good, long look at the dip stick.  Then, I saw at the
end fine shaving marks, like the dipstick has been shaved.  Since the hole
thing is the same color it was difficult to spot, but was definitely there.
Damn.  I used tin snips to shorten it by about 3/4 inch and then a bench
grinder to round it out.  I think that this is the cause of metal when I
pull the dipstick.  I am just hoping  that the housing of the dipstick is
not riding the crank as well.  I can't see that the dipstick tip rubbing
against the crank could have caused major damage.  I will continue to
monitor the crap and see if more metal keeps coming out.  Damn.  Igor.

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:36:56 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: G-tech pro indorcements?

Greg and list,
Two of my friends have the G-Tech and they both love it. They do e.t.
racing in new Z28s and have run it at the track.  They say it is at
worst no more than a tenth off, usually within .05  It showed my 68 442
to run a 13.8 @ 102. I forget the 0-60.  I plan to get one once I have a
real (Olds) motor.
Jeff Carter 

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:47:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '91 Cutlass 3.4L

Not on the list; respond to forwine@cgocable.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Peter van der Wijngaard" <forwine@cgocable.net>
Subject: FW: Cutlass Supreme 3.4 1991

Hi guys,

Just wondered my olds stalls now and then and i noticed that it happens only
when I take a turn,does anyone know what causes this???

Thanks

Peter (simonp@cgocable.net)

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:51:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	John Barnett <john@jb-net.com>
Subject: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question

> After finally getting to the camshaft...I saw on the distributor end of the
> cam "ERSON TQ-20H"
> Any help on finding out the lift/duration numbers???
___________________________

Amazingly enough, I found an Erson catalog that
I've had since 1989.  I never
used one of their cams, but I have used their
forged aluminum roller rockers.
They do list some cams with dual profile.  Anyway,
here's the details on your
camshaft:

>From book - "The performer. Super mid range and
top end power. Acceptable
idle and low end power plus fuel economy.  Good
driveability."

Valve Lift  : .478
Duration    :  292 deg
Dur @ .050  :  214 deg
Timing      :  IO=39 IC=73 EO=81 EC=31

Hope this helps! -John

64 D88
69 442
71 VC

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:30:58 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: 700-r4 swapping

TH Shires asked:

>Does anyone have experience with swapping in a 700-r4?

I posted following awhile back in response to a question about my TH-700-R4
swap for the Turbo 350 in my '72 Cutlass.

Bear in mind that I'm not familiar with the 200 so I can't be sure what
you'll run into.

If the following (and subsequent list posts) still leave you with questions
e-mail me privately and I can point you toward some other knowledgable
folks who could probably answer all your questions.

=========================

The swap from Turbo 350 to TH-700-R4 was a relativley straightforward.
Just a bunch of picky details to consider.

The biggest mental gymnastics was making an adaptor for the TV cable to my
4bl Q-jet.

I did all this back in '91.  So keep in mind that there may be after market
parts available for some of the things I made or adapted.

I did the swap on a 350 Olds.  I don't think anything changes for other
motors, but ask someone more knowledgeable before you start.

Here's the basics:

1)  The flexplate will boltup (its been awhile, but I'm 99% sure on this)

2)  The adapter plate came from TCI Part # TCI #2300B or #23000 (you'll
have to check with them as one number is old or outdated) their Tel # is
601-224-8972.  When I did this I had to lengthen the dowel (locater) pins
that mate the engine to the tranny as the plate is an 1/8" to 1/4" thick. I
believe I got some 1/2" stock and made them, but a machine shop could do it
to.  You'll have too see what yours look like.

* NOTE:  Dick Miller Racing Tel# 901-794-2834 and/or
http://www.mspmall.com/dmr/ has a 1/4" x 24" x 24" aluminum adapter plate
(Part #  DMR-5034 @ $159) and longer dowel (locater) pins (Part # MOR-37932
@ $9).  I don't know what your application is so the hefty plate DMR plate
may be over kill, but you'll need some sort of longer pins.   ALSO:  Dick
notes that the converter must be modified (extend the snout I believe) if
you use the 1/4" thick plate.  I don't recall doing that using the TCI
adapter plate which I believe is 1/8" thick.  See what I mean by details!!

 3)  The converter lock up is electric and the guy who built up the tranny
installed it for me.  Carl Rossler at Rossler Transmissions in Garard Ohio
Tel# 1-216-530-0066.  Carl's a great guy and really knows his stuff and has
rebuilt and modified many transmissions for Lingenfelter of Corvette fame.

4)  If you are running a Quadrajet you'll need to make some kind of bracket
for the TV cable (as I remember Holly Part # 2045 will work but you'll have
to check).

5) Also on the Q-jet I went through some major math contortions (one of the
many reasons why kids shouldn't drop out of High School;) to figure out the
correct ratio arm to put on the throttle plate to run the TV cable.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THIS PART RIGHT OTHERWISE YOU CAN FRY THE TRANNY REAL
QUICK.

There may be stuff on the market now that takes care of all that. But if
you're stumped... get a hold of a copy of Hot Rod Magazine August '88.
Page 66 has an article called the 700 Club and it gives you EVERYTHING that
you need.  It's also reproduced other places, but if you get desperate
e-mail me your mailing address and I'll photocopy the article for you.
(There also may be newer articles with more up-to-date info.  If any one
has a line on that please let me know.)

6)  I used a TV cable from '82-'85 Caprice Part # 25525598

7)  Dip Stick and Tube from an '82 Caprice Part #s 14056612 and #15531900

8)  You'll have to relocate the cross mount on the frame for the tranny
several inches to rear.  That just requires drilling a new set of holes and
fiddling with the E-Brake cable holders.

9)  You'll need to shorten the drive shaft and as I remember it might take
63a different spline from the yoke.  Nothing that can't be solved.  Ask
your tranny guy.  I bought an used shaft and had somebody weld it.  That way
I've got the original length shaft in case for some unknown reason I go
back to a 350 turbo.

10) I used a B&M Street Stick Shifter Part # 80783 (that was in '91.  Don't
know if its changed) I think you have to also get the 4 speed adapter plate
part # 80772.  I also can't remember whether you have to get a GM cable
bracket or it comes in the box.  Ask when you buy.  When I installed the
shifter I had to make a bracket that would hold it up in the center console
(I got buckets).  I also made it so the shifter was angled and tipped so
that its line of travel was aimed directly toward my shoulder.  Very
ergonomic and therefore comfortable and quick to shift.

I think that's about it.  I haven't blazed new territory and there are
probably other ways to work around some of the details.  But this should
get you thinking.  The work is not real tricky... you just gota pay
attention to details and go slow.

I think it would be a great winter project.  Plus I think you'll really
enjoy the 700.  Stump pulling first gear and a cruising OD.  Great combo.
(Carl thinks his beef up of the tranny will handle a strong 455.  I'm going
to find next spring as I'm dropping in a hefty 425 with aluminum heads and
EFI.)

Oh... there's been plenty of talk on the list about TH-700 vs TH-200 vs
4L60 vs 4L80.  I've also had some private e-mailed about some questions.
I've saved them all (let's hear it for big hard drives).  If you want I'd
be happy to forward them all to you.

Good luck, hope this helps.

BTW all the usual disclaimers:  my $.02, IMHO, kids don't try this at home,
etc., etc....

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net

'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
(near the end of a 5 year frame off customization)

'60 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce
(completely in pieces, perfect body, long term restoration)

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:02:00 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Parts needed for 70 442

>I also need a set of grills for this car. I know that I can buy remakes
>but I really want to keep the car as original as possible.

Do yourself a favor and buy the repro grills from Fusik's.  My original
grilles were starting to crack by 1974.  By 1976 I had lost part of one while
going down the road.  The car had a "tooth missing" look.  I purchased a set
from Fusik as soon as they started reproducing them in 87 or 88.  They are
holding up fine in 1998.  At one time I had a NOS set I was borrowing.  The
Fusik grilles look just as good as the NOS set and are holding up better than
the originals.  The NOS grilles were selling for $700 up back then and I gave
$250 for my repros.  I think the repros are around $300 now and well worth the
price.  Remember, 1970 grilles are now 28 years old and plastics have improved
since that time.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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