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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 29 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1517



Re: Car Alarms >>Kinda Long
Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets
Re: Olds Content - Define
Re:  junkyard
RE: junkyard
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: pondering the ignition advance.
Re: W-35 : Yes or No
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Omega Help
Re: junkyard
Re: pondering the ignition advance.
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Olds Content - Define
Re: F/S: Hallmark '69 H/O Ornaments
Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
Re: NY Member Locations.
Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
'66 D-88 Back from the Dead
Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)
Octane addatives
RE: NY Member Locations.
Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
Re: NY Member Locations.
Re: Olds Content - Define
Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)
Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations
Re: Re: ?????????? Sorry Lou...
Re: FS: 53-67 Olds Parts
Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)
Re: 70 Speaker Question
Re: installing rear main seal
Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)
Re: 4 speed tunnel
Non Posting
350 cid Cutlass update
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rallye gauges wanted for Cutlass (and maybe Delta)
Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
Re: 84 Delco radios
Cutlass Supreme 4 Speed ??
Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2
Re: List Cars
Re: Omega Help
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: W-35 : Yes or No
Re: Strange 455 identification numbers
Re: 4 speed tunnel
69 442 grilles
Re: List Cars
Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another Dead Horse - 5-Speed Tranny Q's
'88 Cutlass Supreme Int.
Re: 69 442 grilles
Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:49:53 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car Alarms >>Kinda Long

In a message dated 9/29/98 2:15:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
SAJOHNSON@usds.com writes:

<< was wondering
 did anybody have any Ideas on a good alarm?  What alarm should I stay away
 from? >>


     I have installed a few alarms and starter killers.  The one I have on my
Beretta is an audiovox (don't frown) it has been an excellent alarm for about
5 years now and has all the options (glass breakage sensor, shock detector,
electronic pulse detection.....)  Funny story (now not then) on purchasing the
alarm.  I bought it about an hour before the store was to close on a Friday
night.  When I got home to start the installation, I opened the box and
someone had put about 5 cover-less magazines in it (to add weight) then
retaped the box shut. I ended up doing warp-factor-wide-open (WFWO) back to
the store to complain and get another alarm.
     Everything worked out in the end, just glad that the drive from dad's
farm (25 miles to the store) didn't get me a ticket.

     I would only reccomend a car alarm now a days that has a self changing
frequency between the remote and the base unit.  I say this because more and
more crooked people are out there (like at mechanic shops) that can program a
remote of their own for future entry to your auto, resulting in theft and or
vandalism. Viper makes an outsanding alarm system but I'm not sure if they
have the new feature I was describing earlier.  Code alarm is an alarm to stay
away from and Kenwood  (I believe) makes a good one.


     Joe Pesci (spelling?) had a bad day involving his car alarm in the movie
"The Super"  don't know why I threw that in but thought it was funny.



Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:52:16 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets

Who cares, + it's pronounced E-GOR

- ----------
> From: RGHaun@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 4:56 PM
>
> In a message dated 9/29/98 5:25:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
igor455@home.com
> writes:
>
> << igor455@home.com (Igor T. '81 455DRB) >>
> Igor, are you croation?

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:54:58 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Content - Define

Evenin' Fellow Rocket Drivers:

        I've seen various posts urging Olds content only.

snip<<<<<


I just go with the flow most of the time and try not to step on the toes of
the founding forefathers of the list...:)

Just for the fun of it I put the names of the people on my "buddy list" with
AOL and so far I have 69...just thought I'd throw that in there  :)



Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)


    888            888
  8      8       8       8
  8      8       8       8
    8  8           8   8         LIVES
  8      8       8       8
  8     8        8       8
    888            888

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: Re:  junkyard

John there's a u-pull it in hyde park, new york (near poughkeepsie) that has a
bunch of mid 80's cutlasses.Prices pretty reasonable. I didn't check them out
that well because I don't own one. I think it would probably be a two hour 
drive
 for you. email if you want me to check out the yard next time I go.

Erik Ferguson
66 Delta 88 convertible
91 Delta 88
ef01@sprynet.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:07:14 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: junkyard

I'd like info on where this yard is too. I'm only a couple hours away, South
of Albany.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"








<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of ef01@sprynet.com
<>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:03 PM
<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: Re: junkyard
<>
<>
<>John there's a u-pull it in hyde park, new york (near
<>poughkeepsie) that has a
<>bunch of mid 80's cutlasses.Prices pretty reasonable. I didn't
<>check them out
<>that well because I don't own one. I think it would probably be a
<>two hour drive
<>for you. email if you want me to check out the yard next time I go.
<>
<>Erik Ferguson
<>66 Delta 88 convertible
<>91 Delta 88
<>ef01@sprynet.com
<>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:05:49 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

Thanks Greg and Joe. Greg, that's exactly what I had in mind...

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:10:08 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: pondering the ignition advance.

Ray,
If Karl does not know the answer he will find it out in detail. No flame,
Karl. Karl does read a lot and has a great deal of input to this list.
Karl, as I said to him in a personal e-mail, sometimes makes me feel like
I'm back in school, but his replies do help a great deal. KA, you confuse
the hell out of me sometimes, but all of it makes sense. This is your last
tribute from me.  Probably be hard to live with from now on.
Lou B

> Is this really a Karl Aune question? Yep!, either him or Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:12:55 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-35 : Yes or No

I have the hardtop wing on my convertible (bought it this way) and I don't
like the way it looks. I suppose it's a matter of taste, but mine comes off
when I get the new paint job.  I don't believe the wing was an option on the
convertible.  Let me know if you want to see a photo and I e-mail it to you.
Scott

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:24:17 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

Joe, You've gotta be kidding about the block color!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was
metallic, but when I had it rebuilt, they acid dipped the block and said that
they would paint it the *right* color.  So now it's a non-metallic kind of a
medium blue with a grayish tint. I assumed they would know.....'cause I
didn't.  'Goes to show what happens when you don't consult the list in
advance.  OK, so now....'anyone ever paint a block with it in the car???

Scott

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:41:05 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!

SMAN.
Get the lizards, one of them is named "Louie", My heart aches.
Lou
PS The virus warning is bullsh*t, Everyone knows!


- ----------
> From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning!!
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 5:42 PM

> ---Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net> wrote:
>  This is a new twist.  Someone is sending out a very desirable
> screen-saver, the Budweiser Frogs. But if you download it, you will
> lose everything!!!
>
>
>
> ----For those interested in the bud frogs ,IF you want the REAL
> (safe)version you can go to the bud site and get it there....it is cool.
>                    Sman

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:38:10 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

O
>Taylor
>10.5mm wires

Hey, I got myself a set of Taylor 409's because I boutght my car off a
guy named Taylo and it has a 409.  Cool coincidence...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:24:28 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Omega Help

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:59:55 -0400 "Thomas P. Smith"
<smithtp@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>
>Ray Costanzo wrote:
>
>> >        Back when I was still a Chevy guy, I had a '71 Nova.

WHAT?  I DIDN'T WRITE THAT!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:25:09 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: junkyard

O Harry's U Pull junkyard in Hazleton, PA.....
>
>Ray,
>Thanks for that info. Seen any 75 Deltas there? I'm in central NJ.
>Hazelton's
>prolly only an hour or so from me.
>Bruce
>75 Delta conv.
>
hmmmmm, not that I remember specifically.  Mostly 80's Oldses.  I do
remember a few 75ish Omegas.  350's?  I did not notice every car there.
The prices are excellent.

I have a price list if anyone wants specifics...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:30:06 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: pondering the ignition advance.

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:36:32 -0500 (CDT) hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
writes:
>>So, when you hear your engine pinging, it is quite often because of
>>preignition.  To alleviate this,  one can often retard the timing a
>bit.
>>Nases at a faster rate
>>than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?
>>
>>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>
>>                        Bucks County, PA
>Is this really a Karl Aune question?
>
>WHO?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:48:33 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob,
One thing everyone agreed on is you NEED a thermostat,  Read all the old
posts. After you put it in and it still overheats then check out the rest
of the system. Could be all kinds of problems after that. Should run 180 or
190 to run right! Too detailed to explain here.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:48 PM
>
>
> ---Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com> wrote:
> >
> > At 07:14 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I cannot figure this out!
> > >My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled
> by the
> > >original radiotor, a 307 car one.
> > >The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
> > >between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
> > >This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or
> maybe
> > >160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
>
> -----Are you running a two or three core radiator? A new three core
> will run you about $86. at most auto parts stores. The two core about
> $83. For the price difference I would go for the three core as it
> provides better cooling. Also need to install thermostat.
>           Later,
>           Sman
> ==
> John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:50:35 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Olds Content - Define

On Tuesday, September 29, 1998 7:12 PM, Thomas P. Smith
[SMTP:smithtp@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > >         I've seen various posts urging
Olds content only.  As a > relatively new member to the list, please, define.  
I
mean, several > posts deal with general automotive concerns (timing,
carburetion, > overheating...etc) that are not specifically Olds related.

Hi Thomas, pretty much anything that would benefit the list in general is 
great.
Like your question.  It's not Olds related, but everyone will likely gain
knowledge somehow.  Tuning a Rochester carb; by all means, this is a good
question/post...asking about the bolt pattern for an '83 Fairmont is probably
not a good thing to ask about...  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:27:43 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: F/S: Hallmark '69 H/O Ornaments

I got one of those last year and gave it to a girl who has decided to
stop talkning to me.  I am a fool!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Tue, 29 Sep 98 08:43:39 -0500 brad.nicholson@ssa.gov writes:
>
>Time to start that holiday shopping!!!
>=========================================
>||  Hallmark 1969 Hurst/442 Ornaments  ||
>=========================================
>(Their description, not mine)
>New in the box, unopened. Created by Hallmark in recognition of
>Oldsmobile's 100th last year.  Great detail and a 1 year only
>production
>run. I'll send them by USPS Priority Mail and well padded to prevent
>any
>damage.  $25 including the $3 shipping. E-mail me for the address to
>send
>your order to.
>
> -----  Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
>|  |  | OCA# 18984
>|  |  | 1987 442 W-42
>|  |  | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
>|  |  | President, Oldsmobile Centennial Club (Maryland Chapter of
>OCA)
>|  |  | Oldsmobile Centennial Club Web Site:
>http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
>| /|\ | H: brad442@erols.com
>|/ | \| W: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
>|  |  | OCA: WebGuy@oldsclub.org
> -----  Oldsmobile Club of America Web Site: http://www.oldsclub.org
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:46:41 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?

Peter

    Yes I have had experience with Sherwin Williams. I had a 70 442 done in
it and it chipped so darn easy it wasn't funny. I had a 70 98 that I did
with Dupont base/clear and it was in excellent shape after 2 years compared
to the SW. As for Sikkens paint look in your phone book for a good body shop
supply house. They should be able to give you a place to find it.

Jim Chermack


- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?


>Have you had a bad experience with Sherwin Williams? Where can you get
>Sikkens at?
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>----------
>> From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
>> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 9:45 PM
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>     If those are the two you have to chose from use Dupont. Sherwin
>Williams
>> is junk. The best is Sikkens. It's a little more expensive but definitly
>> worth it.
>>
>> Jim Chermack
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 10:47 PM
>> Subject: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
>>
>>
>> >I will be painting my Olds over winter. Is it better to use Sherwin
>> >Williams or DuPont? Or is there a better paint company?
>> > Which paint provides the better finish or are they both the same.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: ef01@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: NY Member Locations.

I live in Latham just outside of Albany

Erik Ferguson
66 Delta 88 convertible

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:51:21 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?

Carron,
No expert, heat changes everything!
Lou

- ----------
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: ignition advance: more info out there?
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:45 PM
>
> Hey,
>
> When I held forth on the subject, I made it clear that I was NOT an
expert. I
> was hoping to add some "yeast" to the discussion, but it seems to have
died
> right then. There *are* some real experts on this list, and the topic
seems a
> fruitful one for discussion. I'd like to see how close my 35-years-back
> information comes to what is known today.
>
> Here is a little snip of the original poster's questions.
>
> >  Why,
> >  >then, are preignition problems more prevailant the sooner the spark
is
> >  >fires.  Something just doesn't make sense here.  Could it be because
the
> >  >increase in combustion chamber temperature increases at a faster rate
> >  >than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?
>
> Cheers/Carron

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:53:25 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: '66 D-88 Back from the Dead

Hi guys,

My 4-banger bit the dust.  So, I decided to put the money on the BEAST
this time ('66 Delta 88-425).  I am having the whole front end done.
Just ordered the parts from Performance Suspension Technologies last
week.  I will tell you how it goes.  The Beast should be back in action
by Mon. Oct. 5.  I have only put about 1,000 miles on this car in the
last 3 years.

Mechanically, it is fine.  It has had fresh oil since I bought it,
tuned, and ready to rock and roll.  And in a few weeks I am getting new
tires, shocks, and 15" rims.

Since gas around here in Austin, Texas is 85 to 95 cents per gallon, I
will truly enjoy this daily driver.

happy cruisin,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 165K+@40mpg.... x0[


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:57:36 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)

> product called WATER WETTER.  It is a fairly small bottle with red stuff in
> it.  Worked great.

I tried that and now have the 40 below. NEITHER worked very well for me. But
that was when the weather was 120 degrees outside with a three row on a 400 
with
headers! TONS of heat down there!!! but now that it's below 100 I can't keep it
hot enough around base to run good. I have to run 40+ for about 5 minutes 
before
it is hot enough to run efficiently. I can't wait to get out of this treaterous
desert!Ben

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:56:52 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Octane addatives

First of all, my 68 400 witht the aluminum heads can use the mid grade fuel 
with
out a thought! I like that! Once in a while I'll treat her to the good stuff,
but that is normally near payday...

Now, onto my gripe... I have heard now a couple of references to octane 
boosters
and addatives. I used to use them religiously! But after reading an article in
(I think it was) Car craft about a six month to a year ago, it did a research
into octane boosters. The best they did was raise the octane about 2.5 points 
by
adding 4 bottles of said named booster!!!! In all actuallity, the best one I
found was 108 I think it was called. It is racing fuel concentrate. Cheaper 
than
the 104+ and actually raised it a point or so with one or two times the
suggested usage. I "thought" I noticed an improvement when I used the 
additives,
but now I know it was just my mind as i save myself the money (that's a couple
gallons of gas!) and don't bother now. Just my oppinion.

Ben
GOTTA SELL SOON!!!
62 Olds F-85 & a set of 68 C heads!
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:55:10 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: NY Member Locations.

Cool, I'm down by Catskill. Cairo/Acra area.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"








<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of ef01@sprynet.com
<>Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:51 PM
<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: Re: NY Member Locations.
<>
<>
<>I live in Latham just outside of Albany
<>
<>Erik Ferguson
<>66 Delta 88 convertible
<>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:55:40 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

Matt:
May get some flak here, LOW oil pressure is usually caused by cam bearings,
not rods and mains as most think. They all help, but look there first, 2
cents.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Supafli50@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 6:23 PM
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions about what I could do to thinken my oil
> without making a flow problem.  My "idiot" keeps coming on after my car
has
> been running a while and the oil heats up.  This only happens when idling
like
> at stop lights.  I have checked the oil and just changed it today.
>
> Matt
> 88 Olds Cutlass Supreme IE

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:00:16 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

Joe chemist I am not!  When you mix these do they stay mixed, or if the car
sits for a while will they separate out?  My new Olds is pinging some,
although it is still very hot in Phoenix, and not sure if I should re-tune or
just do the gas mix.  David

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:04:33 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?

> As for Sikkens paint look in your phone book for a good body shop
> supply house. They should be able to give you a place to find it.
>

Yeah, but can Sikkens mix up a mean Firefrost Gold? :)

Interesting note.  There is another bodyman helping me in the
experimentation hunt for the exact shade of Firefrost.  You see, after
discussing it with Kurt Karch, we STILL think the new DuPont stuff may
be too green.  By far, it's the closest match off the shelf you can get,
but we still think a good thing can be improved.  Ya, it's SUPPOSED to
be greenish, but we think we can get it closer to exact.  No one I know
has a PERFECTLY PRESERVED Firefrost sample on their cars, so comparing
it to original paint might be a bite.  However, I got a bombshell ready
to unleash that can get it more exact.  More details later on why I
think that's the case.

More to follow......stay tuned...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:04:10 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: NY Member Locations.

LONG ISLAND

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:09:07 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Content - Define

Tom,
They apply to all automotive engines, T,C, and O. Switching parts is not in
my area. The guys know about that, I used to race MOPARS,  I know how to
build engines, and tune them. I'm very new to what fits what. This is a
great list, listen to everyone, then, throw away the chaff, I have learned
a lot in 6 months. I'd save more except I only have 10 MEG.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Olds Content - Define
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 6:12 PM
>
>         Evenin' Fellow Rocket Drivers:
>
>         I've seen various posts urging Olds content only.  As a
> relatively new member to the list, please, define.  I mean, several
> posts deal with general automotive concerns (timing, carburetion,
> overheating...etc) that are not specifically Olds related.  Also, I've
> noticed some threads, especially those that deal with interchangeability
> questions, can end up talking a bit about another make of car for a few
> posts.  Either of these situations can be helpful to someone. I do want
> to observe proper list etiquette and I'm not trying to be argumentative;
> I'm merely requesting a bit of guidance.
>
>         Thanks
>
>         Thomas P. Smith
>         1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:20:35 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)

Yes, I too added some of that stuff, it's a Redline product.  My temp
dropped an average of 5 degrees or so.  A little help, but not as good as
your results, damn it!  I'm dropping in a new rad. tomorrow or this
weekend, and that will hopefully answer some questions.
Thanks for the info!!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:19:15 -0600 "Igor T. '81 455DRB"
<igor455@home.com> writes:
>About a couple of weeks ago there was a discussion about overheating
>that
>was started by Ray, I believe.  If some of you remember, I complained
>about
>the same thing in my '81 Delta 455.  Just a few days ago I tried this
>product called WATER WETTER.  It is a fairly small bottle with red
>stuff in
>it.  Worked great.  On my last high-way trip the temp stayed 190-200
>deg.
>all the time at speeds of over 75 mph and 3000 rpm.  Before doing this
>would
>case me to have to pull over at 230deg after about 10-15 minutes.
>Great
>stuff.  Just so you know.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
>1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
>1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:42:59 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations

I recently got rid of my 83 v6 malibu.  It was running on 5 cylinders,
had not a single luxury (especially the static rear windows!), but when
my brother got his 4WD 4" lifted, in low range, etc. etc. 79 IHC Scout II
stuck in a mudhole in the woods, the Malibu served as a good recovery
vehicle.  Bent up the sway bar ral nice!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:18:48 -0500 David L Wyatt
<WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com> writes:
>I recently installed Fel Pro  valve cover gaskets on my leaking ch*vy
>m*libu
>V-6.    I used Permatex gasket sealer on both sides of the gaskets and
>had the
>opportunity to install them and let the engine set for a week or so
>before
>starting it up.  As anyone who has ever owned a V-6 or small block V-8
>ch*vy
>knows, they are notorious leakers.  By letting mine set for a week
>before use,
>I have had no leaks yet in the past 3 weeks.  Of course if I have to
>remove a
>valve cover it will destroy the gasket, but in this case if I have to
>do that
>I will go ahead and replace the engine for something with power.  I
>did not
>over tighten the covers either, just got them snug and let the sealer
>do its
>thing.
>
>Bowties are good subjects for experimentation so you do not harm the
>good
>vehicles.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:12:26 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Re: ?????????? Sorry Lou...

Tim,
No, but I will look, guess who will be the first to find out, besides me.
saved your address.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Tim Wurtz <tropical@micron.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:09:16 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: FS: 53-67 Olds Parts

Sorry! I haven't found alot of it.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts



- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: FS: 53-67 Olds Parts


>what no 56 stuff?  sheesh........
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:18:09 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)

Took someone's advice, can't remember who, about the National Auto Lines
radiator for the 85 442.  $104 plus shipping.  Modine, lifetime
warranty.  EXCELLENT 3-core.  Looks like original.  Doesn't have that
"heater hose" connection near the neck like some of the parts store jobs
have, and comes with a new drain petcock to boot!  Whoever it was,
THANKS for the tip!

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:20:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 70 Speaker Question

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Bruce Camilli wrote:
> Does anybody know if the rear speaker (6x9) in a '70 Delta 88 Conv. or
> any other seventy Olds, running on a stock radio, is a 10ohm speaker and
> if it is what will happen if a 8ohm or 4 ohm speaker is put in its
> place??

Yes, it is 10 ohm. An 8 ohm replacement won't make much difference. A 4
ohm will put the power amplifier section of your radio at risk, don't do
it. !0 ohm Delcos are easy to find at junqueyardes.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:20:26 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: installing rear main seal

Todd,
Always glopped it up, could be wrong but we were turning 9 grand, and no
leaks!  Huge, bad a*s oiling system. never had a rear main leak. my areas
are limited,  however to all out race cars. If they said that they must
have a reason>
Lou

- ----------
> From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: installing rear main seal
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:58 AM
>
> I'm replacing my rear main seal, both upper and lower seals, and am
facing a
> dilemna.  The shop manual clearly says to apply sealant to the *ends* of
the
> rope seal, as well as the small area of the main bearing cap next to the
seal.
> The Olds FAQ also agrees with this view.   However, the directions from
FelPro
> and I think someone on this list, say *never* to apply sealant to the
ends of
> the seal, I think because the crank can catch the RTV, pull it around and
off,
> thus botching the whole job.  Any opinions?
>
> Todd Morris
> 71 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:19:10 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)

At 03:19 PM 9/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>About a couple of weeks ago there was a discussion about overheating that
>was started by Ray, I believe.  If some of you remember, I complained about
>the same thing in my '81 Delta 455.  Just a few days ago I tried this
>product called WATER WETTER.

It lowers the surface tension so the water transfers heat better.
2 tablespoons of a low sudsing dish soap works too.


for the cheapskates on the list , like me :)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:20:45 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

In a message dated 9/29/98 1:02:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com writes:

<<
 Does anyone have or had a factory 70-72 Cutlass/442 bench seat 4 speed   car?
Did the factory use the same tunnel for console and bench seat or   is it
different?  Does the bench seat shifter dogleg like the console   shifter or
is it straighter?

 Thanks
  >>
  The non-console shifter is a different shape, not sure how exactly but a
friend put a console in an original bench seat car and had to cheange shifter
handles.
   Also there were no tunnels under a console only on the non-console cars,
and to look under the car and see the hole that was cut for the shifter it
looked like a hack job, very rough cut.

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:28:02 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Non Posting

Greg:
I'm not posting to the list, did I do something wrong? Is it me or
something else
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:26:43 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: 350 cid Cutlass update

Ok, I'm not buying the car, it's a Chevy 350.  Even though I talked him down
to $700.  But I'll post the specs anyway-


1982 Cutlass Supreme
350 Chev bored 30 over,
Edelbrock carb and heads, modified Chev crank,
TH350,
3.73 Posi,
A/C,
No power anything,
Rallye guages,
15" Iroc wheels,
no radio (just wires)

Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:22:06 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my post from a few weeks ago, but it's still an existing problem.
 I've heard that 80's GM rads are known to go bad.  I'm going to put in
the radiator from my 86 parts car and see what happens.  That's a 3 core
as is the one in the 87 now, but I know the one from the 86 is good.  If
that doesn't help, i'm going to replace the water pump for the 6th time
in about 1.5 years!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
writes:
>
>---Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com> wrote:
>>
>> At 07:14 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >I cannot figure this out!
>> >My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled
>by the
>> >original radiotor, a 307 car one.
>> >The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
>> >between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in
>town.
>> >This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or
>maybe
>> >160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
>
>-----Are you running a two or three core radiator? A new three core
>will run you about $86. at most auto parts stores. The two core about
>$83. For the price difference I would go for the three core as it
>provides better cooling. Also need to install thermostat.
>          Later,
>          Sman
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
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>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:22:49 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Rallye gauges wanted for Cutlass (and maybe Delta)

Does anyone have a rallye instrument cluster for sale?  I need one for my
friend's 80's Cutlass.  Also, if anyone has a rallye pack for an 84 Delta, let
me know.  By the way, there IS one, I have a picture in my owner's manual.  No
round speedo or tach though.  :(

Thanks,
Joe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:17:36 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

I got to thinking.  I'm still probably going to find an original radio.  But,
for now, I'm going to try to build up a real stereo.  My plan is as follows:
Pioneer in-dash CD player,
Equalizer mounted in place of ash tray.
Better 3 1/2's up front, some nice 6X9's out back, and I think I want some
midrange in the doors.
I'm not sure if I want subs or not, at least not now.

Now here's my question.  Right now I'm doing a little body work while it's
sitting in my garage, and I'm getting it painted next summer.  Is all this
money worth it?  The car has 175,000 on it, and will need a new tranny and/or
rear end soon.  I am ~planning~ to drop a 350 or 403 when the 307 goes, but in
reality, I don't know if it will ever happen.  I barely have the space, (but
I'd have the space if I needed it), I wouldn't have ANY idea how to do it.  Is
dropping in a new engine practical?  Can it done by a rookie such as myself?
:)  Or should I leave the car as-is and wait for a better car to come along to
spend my money on?

I await the Oldsmobiler's opinions,
Joe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:33:19 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: 84 Delco radios

> Being in the business, I gotta say the factory tape decks had troubles
> comparing
>  to much of the aftermarket products.  Service becomes a major issue.  There
> are
>  service centers worldwide to repair Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, JVC,
> etc.
>  Its hard to find anyone who will even ~touch~ Delco equipment.  Seems like
> the
>  dealer is about the only one who'll perform surgery on 'em.  I've seen
>  relatively simple factory repairs run over $200.  The cost of a decent CD
>  player.  My 2cents there.
>

The reason I wanted a stock Delco, is I'm perfectly happy with my Buick's
stereo.  Just plain old auto reverse.  (But also has the Concert Sound II 6
speaker package)

>  Also, I've put CD Players in mid 80's Deltas.  Not too bad, actually.

Think I will go with a CD player.  And an Equalizer/40Watt power booster
mounted in ash tray.  (I'll get the equalizer from the Shack, and I think I'll
go with a Pioneer CD)

Time
>  consuming in getting the cutout clean, but quite asthetic, still.  There is
> no
>  ~major~ cutting to do, there.  The dash trim is the main thing to cut.
> Which is
>  easily replacable by junkyard parts, if so desired.  The metal plate in
back,
>
>  surrounding the factory radio, can be retained and cut, or fabricated new,
> or
>  simply left out, with the deck's rear held up by backstrap material.  Not
> too
>  bad there.  Done several.
>

Will it rattle?  I'm pissed off with my current radio because I've tightened
it so many times, it keeps coming loose, and I HATE that rattling!

>  Personally, my advice, is to cut it out.  You'll be happier in the long
run,
> I'm
>  sure.  Unless bone-stock original is your plans, then I wish you luck.

I'll get a replacement panel from a junk yard, so I can have that one cut, and
still have the original panel in case I do want to have it stock someday.

Most
> of
>  the factory radios of that vintage will at least need new belts.  Best of
> luck!

Oh man, don't want to pay for that, but I'll get some stock radio just to
have.

Joe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:34:27 -0400
From: "John E. Lawson" <jlawson@home.tcc.on.ca>
Subject: Cutlass Supreme 4 Speed ??

 A few years ago, I saw a '76 or '77 Cutlass Supreme with what appeared
to be a factory 4 speed standard transmission.  If not factory, it was a
very clean conversion.  The car had a 350 engine in it and T-bars as
well.  It was in a junkyard and wasn't canibalized yet.  I wish I'd
bought it (old hindsight 20-20 thing).  Was a 4-speed a factory option
for the Supreme models in those years?

John Lawson
jlawson@tcc.on.ca

P.S. - I'm new to the list.  The wealth of expertise here is amazing.
But how do some of you find time to work on your cars?  You seem to be
on the mailing list all the time :)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:38:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment -- 71 4-4-2

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 CPEARLPARK@aol.com wrote:
> Joe, You've gotta be kidding about the block color!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was
> metallic, but when I had it rebuilt, they acid dipped the block and said that
> they would paint it the *right* color.  So now it's a non-metallic kind of a
> medium blue with a grayish tint.

That sounds like GM corporate blue. Not right for a 455. Yes, it's
supposed to be metallic, but even there you have to be careful. There are
at least 3 versions of the color I've seen. The best match comes from Bill
Hirsch in N.J.

> advance.  OK, so now....'anyone ever paint a block with it in the car???

Sure... just take your time, clean everything real good, mask carefully,
and use a brush for some of the tough-to-spray areas. Go slow with the
sprayer and pick away at it. These weren't exactly works of art from the
factory anyway. It can be done.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:41:37 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: List Cars

My wife's father was a dealer principal in a chain of Northeast auto
dealerships.  He was an old car man.  She has said that the first time she
saw me, it was in the rain.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: List Cars


>In a message dated 98-09-27 20:01:29 EDT, you write:
>
><< My wife's position is that I don't gamble, smoke, run around with
> other women or break dishes or bodies.  So if I want some old used car,
and
> the bills are paid, she says, have at it.  Peter. >>
>
>You're a lucky man to have such an understanding SO. I've often said I
should
>have gone to a car show to meet my wife!
>Bruce

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:40:30 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Omega Help

> WHAT?  I DIDN'T WRITE THAT!
>

        Ray,

        Uh...sorry.  When I hit Reply on my e-mail, it put you as the
person who wrote the entire message because I was responding to the last
post, which was yours.  My e-mail clumped everyone's posts under the
name of the last respondent.  The part about the Nova is mine.  This
will be my last fluff response to this thread.  But, I feel I must make
a public apology.  I just don't want you to think I'm accusing you of
being a former Chevy guy or having owned a Nova.  Those are my skeletons
in my closet.

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:11:00 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

Joe, where are you located at? Know of a couple motors for sale, let me
know
chris

Chris Sommerville
___________

Uh, I'm near Wash DC, but I'm not the one looking for a 455...

On the other hand, if the price is right, I'm always looking to add to my
stockpile (hey, these _have_ been out of production for over 20 years!)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:08:45 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations

Don't use anything other than Fel-Pro, preferably their neoprene rubber
gaskets.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:03:45 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

Got any tips on how to go about finding a garden variety 455 in good
working
order?

tia
roger hitson
__________

IMHO, the cheapest method of finding a good used 455 is to find a rusted
out but running big car and buy the whole thing for a couple o' hundred
bucks.  This way the engine runs, you can drive the car to check it out,
and you'll probably get it for less money than buying just an engine from a
wrecking yard.  On top of all that, if you have the room, you can part the
car and make some of your money back.  At a minimum, pull the engine and
sell the hulk to the wreckers; even if you just get $25, you've paid for
the engine hoist rental.  Usually, however, these big cars will have power
windows (motors are all the same), disc brakes (calipers should be the same
on A-bodies), and other power options.

This method actually applies to parts besides motors.  When I needed a
header bow for my 66 convertible, I called every convertible specialty shop
in Hemmings.  The priced ranged from $300 for a used, as-is part, to $450
for a "rebuilt" header bow (sandblasted, painted, and new tack strip
installed).  Instead, I found a rusty 67 convert parts car for $250, got
not just the header bow, but the whole top frame, motor, and cylinders.  I
also got a complete A/C setup, 12 bolt Type-O rear end, tinted windshield,
wiring harness, top and power antenna switches, and many small clips,
brackets, special bolts, etc.  In addition, I managed to sell the carb,
choke, flywheel, forged crank, and some other small parts, and about got my
money back.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:07:09 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: W-35 : Yes or No

Was there a different sized wing for the convertible?
__________

Actually, there was no wing for convertibles - they were not available from
the factory (except for the 69 H/O converts).  Many dealers and owners have
since installed wings on convertibles.  Personally, I have mixed emotions
about how this looks; I flip flop depending on my mood.   (Sounds like I
need the waffle icon that represents Slick Willie in the Doonsbury
strip...)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:27:47 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Strange 455 identification numbers

On the motor where the ID numbers go (front drivers side) there is a number
L3E 13437V
with "K" heads (with a small upper case "A"). Behind the water pump the
number is 396021 F.
___________

Dave, I responded to this, as did someone else.  The strange "VIN
derivative" number starting with L denotes a marine motor.  The Ka heads
were also marine pieces.  I've got two marine blocks in the basement, both
with the strange "L" numbers.  One is drilled for the clutch pivot ball,
one is not.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:21:47 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

A friend had a 68 four speed, no
console and the handle came out on the side of the hump with no offset in
the
handle.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
_________

Actually, Dave, the 64-69 cars used a console with the shifter handle
offset to the driver's side; the console and non-console cars used the same
shifter handle (though the 64s were different, with a round handle, and in
the later cars, the 442s had the numerals stamped in the handle, while
non-442s obviously did not).  The 70-72 console-equipped cars use the
offset handle (actually, the offset is in the shifter mechanism; the handle
is almost straight) to line up with the center of the console.  I used to
own a 72 442 with 4 spd and no console (but with bucket seats) and that car
used the same offset shifter as the console cars.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:38:05 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: 69 442 grilles

Thanks to all who responded privately to my comments/questions on the 442
grilles and headlight doors, but I think you all misunderstood my comment.
I was aware that they are silver and black, however I was commenting on the
fact that _every_ used set I've bought (including the used headlight
housing I got yesterday) have all been painted completely black by a
previous owner.  I have to agree with Kerry, it does look cool (which is
likely why the 69 H/Os _did_ come with these parts painted black), but I
just found it amusing that it appears that _everyone_ has painted theirs
black!  The same thing seems to go for used 70 442 grilles.  I have
something like 2 1/2 complete sets (and several broken ones), and most of
those had been painted black.

As for my question on the color of the stone shield, I'm not talking about
the hood tongue.  I'm refering to the horizontal metal shield that's
between the inboard ends of the grilles, behind the center of the bumper.
I got two responses, one said silver, one black.  Any other votes?

Thanks to all

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:29:20 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: List Cars

Met my (now ex) wife at a swap meet.

Greg Rollin
________

Greg, just to be clear, I assume that was an _auto parts_ swap meet.  ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Went thru a lot of overheating troubleshooting with my '69 H/O.  Yeah
heavy duty
radiator is a good first step. I'd try and find a 4 core for it.  I also
found that smaller diameter,
yesssss smaller Heavy duty cooling A/C water pump and NON AIR pulleys
worked the best. runs the coolent slower to pick up more heat from the
engine. Also run 40 below and 2 qts antifreeze, the rest water. Also 15lb
pressure tested radiator cap and tested thermostat.

i.e. the coolent can't run too fast or too slow thru the radiator to make
the engine cool right.

I also checked for exhaust gas in the coolent too to make sure to cracks
or gasket problems were biting me.

Good luck!


 On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Lou Biggs wrote:

> Bob,
> One thing everyone agreed on is you NEED a thermostat,  Read all the old
> posts. After you put it in and it still overheats then check out the rest
> of the system. Could be all kinds of problems after that. Should run 180 or
> 190 to run right! Too detailed to explain here.
> Lou Biggs
>
> ----------
> > From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Overheating, PLEASE HE/_P!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 9:48 PM
> >
> >
> > ---Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > At 07:14 PM 9/15/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >I cannot figure this out!
> > > >My car is an 87 Cutlass Supreme.  It has in it a built 403, cooled
> > by the
> > > >original radiotor, a 307 car one.
> > > >The damn thing is running hotter than it should.  It is now running
> > > >between 180 and 200, depending on if I am on the highway or in town.
> > > >This is the temp with no thermostat.  It shouldn't go above 150 or
> > maybe
> > > >160 w/o the thermo.  here's what I've done and checked...
> >
> > -----Are you running a two or three core radiator? A new three core
> > will run you about $86. at most auto parts stores. The two core about
> > $83. For the price difference I would go for the three core as it
> > provides better cooling. Also need to install thermostat.
> >           Later,
> >           Sman
> > ==
> > John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> > TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> > 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
> > http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> > Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
> > -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
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> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:02:45 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Another Dead Horse - 5-Speed Tranny Q's

Ladies and Gents:

I know we beat the snot out of this thread just a while back, but now I've got
a new tack on this -- has anyone had any experience with the 5-speeds that GM
has used in the smaller trucks in the last few years?  I'm desparately looking
for a relatively inexpensive 5-speed OD manual tranny to use in my 80 Starfire
GT behind a fairly mild 350.  As light as the Starfire can be, it won't take
much to get this car to scream and still get fair mileage.  It's an everyday
car, so that's important.

Also, I know we talked through the 5-speeds GM used back in the mid-to-late
70's, but does anyone know what the weak points were in these?  I have several
tranny doctors here locally that do a lot of heavy-duty custom work, but I
need to let them know what to beef up, if and when I can find
one................

Thanks, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:07:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: '88 Cutlass Supreme Int.

Hi, I'm new to the list and not very technical with cars..  I was
wondering if anybody knows of any problems other then the 3.1L V6, Fuel
Injector and ECM failures?  My parents car is the '88 CS Int. with the
2.8L V6, cuz they are a very reliable car(ours has been on the road for 10
years with 307,000km's) and hasn't failed us majorly, except with a crank
shaft sensor failure..  I was looking into maybe buying one for myself..

Thnx for any feedback you may have on this year/model

Derek Douglas
- ---------------
Prime-Line Communications
   derek@primeline.net

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:05:49 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442 grilles

> As for my question on the color of the stone shield, I'm not talking about
> the hood tongue.  I'm refering to the horizontal metal shield that's
> between the inboard ends of the grilles, behind the center of the bumper.
> I got two responses, one said silver, one black.  Any other votes?
>
A curious one here.  I've had three 69's so far, and every one of them
had a silver metal shield as you describe.  Don't know if it's SUPPOSED
to be painted black, but my H/O even has the silver shield.

As for the headlight bezels, etc., on the H/O, Demmer just taped and
sprayed.  On my particular car, they took the time to tape off the
perimeter of the bezel, and sprayed it the rest of it black.  Mine was
an early car.  Some of the later ones were painted COMPLETELY black
along with the grill. (guess they were running out of time).  So, either
way, all black or silver perimeter, it could be correct.  Factory photos
and other era pics of the 69 H/O confirms this.  And when the bezels
were removed, only the exposed portions of the housing was black on the
H/O, and the rest was silver.

Hope this helps out.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:10:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations

Glad someone likes them, I could never get them to seal right. It's Mr.
Gasket cork for me only!

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> Don't use anything other than Fel-Pro, preferably their neoprene rubber
> gaskets.
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
>
>
>

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