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Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia
A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)
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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:14:39 -0600
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:00:34 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Kill Switch...

My big block F@lcon friend has a hollow coil-distributor wire to replace
the real one with when he feels it necessary.  So, at a glance, even an
experienced thief wouldn't see anything wrong.  I hope no thieves are
eavesdropping and finding out how we all prevent our cars from getting
stolen.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:23:48 -0500 "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
writes:
>All I do to make sure nobody can start the car is I take off the Coil
>to
>distributor wire and take it with me. Most mopes will not realize why
>it
>wont start and if they did how many thieves carry an
>coil-to-distributor
>wire.
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:56:13 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: camaro camaro camaro camaro.....

HEY!  Do we know this to be a fact yet?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:20:16 -0400 "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
writes:
>Don't worry Charley, GM is killing the F-body line in mid 1999. As
>with most good GM things, 442, GN, Impala SS..they
>decide to kill it.
>
>Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
>http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 06:11:48 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Still overheating, next step, a kia

Well, I have now replaced the water pump, the thermostat, the radiator,
the fan clutch, and have flushed the system four thousand times.  Still
running hot.  I'm going to replace the fan, but I *know* that won't help.
 I'm going to change the water pump again for the hell of it, and get new
hoses, although that probably won't help anyway.  And if that doesn't
help, I'm going to buy a kIA.  probably a nice new green sephia with
orange splash graphics.

Any suggestions?

Suicidally yours
Ray Costanzo
87 409degree Cutlass Supreme Heat.

p.s.  I put my centerlines back on and they work, happy!

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:06:37 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: More Timing Chain

Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:

> My friend with his '79 GMC truck, 350, headers, intake, .... changed the
> distributor not too long ago.  I did this for him, and put the new distr. in
> the same way the old one came out so the truck started no problem.  Then, I
> set the timing to specks, and the thing run terrible.  Took it out for a
> drive and it barley moved.  His dad had the motor changed before he died, so
> the balancer was painted blue from the original motor, while the new motor
> was black.  I immediately suspected wrong balancer, so I advanced the
> timing, ran worse, then I started retarding it in 2 deg. increments.  By the
> time I was done, I could no longer see the timing mark and had to go by
> trial and error.  Got it set so that the truck runs great, but how could I
> set the timing FOR SURE.  Any ideas.  Igor.
>
> Igor Todorovic

Igor,
I'm assuming the 350 in the GMC is a Ch*vy?  But no matter,
the following method would apply to any engine.  (Although
first of all, if it were mine, I'd want the correct balancer on the
engine).
What you'll need to do to remark the existing balancer
is bring #1 cylinder to exact TDC on the compression stroke.
Then make a mark on the balancer lining up with the Zero
mark on the timing tab.  Although since the piston
"lingers" for a few degrees at TDC, finding the exact
TDC of the stroke is impossible without using a
top dead center stop.  I would suggest using a stop
designed for heads on use that are available from many
cam manufactures.

Hope this helps.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:47:36 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: EGR Valve

>I took the hit at the Olds dealer and bought Delco's $105 EGR valve and
slapped
>it on and the car ran BEAUTIFULLY.

A $105 dollars.  Any experience with used ones.  I hate dealers.  All I did
on my 455 is unplug the damn thing, works great (I did get a '70 Carb though
when I rebuilt the motor and did this).  Now I have a non-egr intake and
will put it on as soon as I get the chance.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:54:15 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: METRIC TRANNY.

On my 200-4R you can feel it shift into every gear but what I found
interesting with that trans is the lock-up converter.  In no other car with
a lock-up converter did I ever feel it like this.  You can really feel it
lock-up and see a evident 300 rpm drop as it does.  I like it.  In OD with
the converter locked up, my Regency will run 1200-1300 RPM at 60 MPH.  This
equals MPG big time on flat roads.  Hmmm, if I could only have this trans in
my Delta with some 4.10s in the back.  That would be one fast and
tractionless Delta.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:03:48 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: More Timing Chain

>What you'll need to do to remark the existing balancer
>is bring #1 cylinder to exact TDC on the compression stroke.
>Then make a mark on the balancer lining up with the Zero
>mark on the timing tab.  Although since the piston
>"lingers" for a few degrees at TDC, finding the exact
>TDC of the stroke is impossible without using a
>top dead center stop.

Yes, it is THE smallblock.  I though of this too, BUT how could I bring the
piston to TDC without pulling the valve-covers.  Any other way.  When I
installed my distributor in the 455 after the rebuild (my first dist.
install) what I did was bring the cam gear notch to top (12 'oclock) and
this was the #1 piston at TDC compression.  This resulted in the timing mark
being just a tad off 0 with the balancer.  Then I made sure that I did not
move the crank while I installed all the other stuff and when I was done, I
dipped the dist. with the #1 plug being lined up with the rotor.  When I
pulled the dist. from his truck, I moved the balancer to 0 and then looked
at the rotor.  It was totally off.  Not 180 (to indicate wrong stroke) but
somewhere in the middle.  So please tell me which way I can determine TDC
compression without pulling the valve covers or if I have to, how do I know
that it is at TDC.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:18:21 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

And if that doesn't
>help, I'm going to buy a kIA.  probably a nice new green sephia with
>orange splash graphics.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
Actually, I think that a nice red one with a single white racing stripe
across the car would look good.  RIGHT.

I honestly don't know what else you could do.  I don't think  you should
change the pump again.   I am sure it is fine.  What kind of stall converter
are you running.  I heard that sometimes the trans oil can heat the rad
enough to cause a up in water temp.  What you could try is get a good big
trans cooler (if you don't already have one) and totally bypass the rad, so
no trans oil is being cooled there.  This might cause you temp to go down a
bit.  What about those belt pulleys?  Have you ever thought of an Engine Oil
Cooler.  Heard anything good/bad about them.  If you run 200-210 degrease,
don't worry about it so much.  It is warm, but it runs.  I don't know if you
have this, but I did.  The weather-stripping in the back that is used to
seal to hood once it closes.  Take it out (to create a draft effect).  Also,
that soundproof or whatever crap that is attached to the inside of your hood
(that can hold a tone of dirt), take it out if you already have not.
Remember when I told you that the water wetter stuff worked good.  I removed
that crap from the hood, removed the rear weather seal and put the water
wetter in the rad, then I went for a spin.  Although I am sure most of the
temp loss was thanks to the WW stuff, the draft must have helped.  If that
still does not work, donate the 403 to me and build a 493 inch Olds stroker
to power the Cutlass.  Get the KIA motor in that case to run your rad fan.
I am sure that with some mods, you could mount it in place of the water
pump.  Keep me posted. Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 02:19:45 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

And if that doesn't
>help, I'm going to buy a kIA.  probably a nice new green sephia with
>orange splash graphics.


Oh, forgot.  If you had the KIA, think of all those Hondas you could NOT
beat.  Not a pretty thought.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:36:55 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Bucket seats

Looking for a set of good Swivel Bucket seats and comnsole. Blue preferred
but Black acceptable.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass Cutlass = "Quincy"

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Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:53:21 -0500
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: My Cutlasss hates me

>> Thanks to those of you who have taken the time to read this. I am

>> frustrated, tired of spending money pointlessly, and I needed to let it

>> out.

>>

>>

>> Stephen Hoover

>> Dallas, Texas

>> '70 Supreme


Well, I know exactly how you feel. I started my 350 project last May - and my
motor is still messed up.. Very similiar story to yours. Paid to have 
everything
done, all new arp bolts, shot peaned, balanced mond-aria pistons, all new
valves, performer rpm everything, msd, etc, etc....


First cranked it up.., bent two exhaust valves.. Ripped it off and had it
redone.., relashed everything loose.., bent another exhaust valve on the other
side 10 miles later. That is where I stand right now...


I think my problems stem from the performer rpm valves - which are longer than
stock. I have several slighlty bent push rods from the few I've looked at. The
machine shop I took my work to reassured me everything was to edelbrock 
specs..,
but at this point I have my serious doubts.. I'm going to take em up to Wayne
Calvert here in Denton and have them completely checked over. The guy isn't
cheap - and the waiting list is long, but there isn't a better machinist in the
north texas area.. If those are fine I'm going to throuw this cam in the trash 
a
go and cuss out edelbrock.. I miss my car...


I'm not even going to get started on my 200-4r, after 4 rebuilds and 3 monthes
it still only has 2 gears, 2 to 4, when placed in drive. UGGHH!!


Best wishes on getting your fixed up!!, I ran out of money so mines going to be
parked till I can save up some more...


Tracy H. Shires

Denton, Tx

81 C/S/B 68 Rckt 350 (in pieces)




T. H. Shires				81 C/S/B Rckt 350

Denton, Tx				    3 Sticks

					

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Engineering

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"If it was put together, it can be taken apart."

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:26:17 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: 350 engine for sale

Guys,

I know I've posted this twice now, but I have a 77-79 350 Olds engine
that needs a valve job for sale. I'm in the Central Michigan area, and
will take a reasonable offer for it. It runs strong, even with a bad
exhaust valve, so I'm guessing it would be an excellent motor to
rebuild. It's got 3A heads.

I don't have the bucks to rebuild it, and I'd like to see it get a good
home.

Jim...

'83 Olds powered Malibu wagon
'65 Buick Special

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:20:56 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bucket seats

Gary are you looking for them for Quincy?

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:23:31 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: LOOKING FOR "SHAWN22?"WTB G-BODY DOORS

My computer crashed and lost your address have a price on a solid set of G-
body doors, let me know if you are still looking, Thanks Chris

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:38:51 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wife must be smoking something, "buy an olds" she says

BUY NOW!!!!!!!!!!! QUICK before she changes her mind, I would be on the road
in ten minutes with the trailer in tow and searching on line with a laptop via
cell phone and not return till I had the car in tow , that way if she does
change her mind it would be to late!!!!!!! Bye the way was this drug induced
if so please let me know wa\hat it is so I can get some for the spouse, if not
want to trade?


Just my .02

Chris Sommerville
69 442SC
70 442HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:07:47 -0400
From: "Worthington, David L" <david_worthington@reyrey.com>
Subject: STOLEN

Stolen 10/2/98 from SW Ohio - Offenhauser low-rise 2x4bbl BB Olds intake
#5589 with 2 black 4 hole 1" spacers and 2 small neck AFB's with linkage and
a one-of-a-kind milled aluminum air cleaner (oval shaped all CNC machined
top and bottom each are 1/4" thick, smooth top with two 5/16" holes) and K&N
air filter.  Believed to be headed to North Carolina area. Reward!


937-862-8653

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:38:51 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: EGR Valve

On Monday, October 05, 1998 3:48 AM, Igor T. '81 455DRB [SMTP:igor455@home.com]
wrote: > > A $105 dollars.  Any experience with used ones.

Well, if you could find a low-miles car in a junkyard, it'd probably work fine,
but any car over 100k that is sitting in a yard has probably not been taken
good care of, maintenence-wise.  You'd probably run into a few shot EGR valves
if you went that route.  I thought I'd save the time and frustration, and
possibly money by getting the right one the first time and being done with it.

Just my $0.02, though.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:40:41 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

> When the two pins were jumpered, there was a constant clicking from
> the engine compartment. Tick-tick-tick.  Anyway, the check engine
> light just kept flashing code 12, the ECM disconnect code.  It
> flashed 8 times until I pulled the jumper back out.  I guess this
> is normal?  What would the tick-tick-tick be?  The car started and
> ran normally after that, so I guess the ticking's normal.

No offense, Jason, really, but you've got to RTFM or there is not much
point to dumping the error codes. The Code 12 signal is normal; it
indicates no tachometer reference pulse (i.e. the engine is not
running) and serves to show that the ECM diagnostics are functioning.
The chattering noise you heard is the mixture control solenoid in the
carb getting some exercise from the ECM. Had you also tested the
solenoids under the hood such as the EGR cutout or vacuum advance,
you'd find them energized for testing as well.

On earlier cars, once you'd seen the Code 12, you'd then start the
engine and look to see if any further error codes were shown. On later
cars, you don't need to start the engine; just sit there and see if
any further codes appear after the Code 12 has been displayed three
times. Each code comes up three times, and when it gets to the end of
the list it starts all over again.

> I went to the local auto parts store, Advance Auto, and the old guy
> there didn't seem to be making sense.  He said for pinging, go to a
> hotter plug or advance the timing a little bit.

I came in on this discussion late so I don't know what your original
complaint was, but if it's pinging like crazy for no apparent reason,
you might want to see if your EGR is either stuck closed or
disconnected.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:42:48 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: WTB G-BODY DOORS.

Hi Chris;

I found doors for Quincy some time back. However, If the Cutlass IROC-SS
takes off, I'll be requiring good eyes open contacts like you. If I shoot
for converting 50+ cars next year than I'll need those doors and probably
many, many sets more... What are you asking for them? Standard/electric
windows/locks ect. ect?

Following is a list of possible needed items. Since Quincy is a prototype,
we're still tweaking the detail, options, feasibility of many things. From
here, until about March, anything I seek is a Quincy need and singular.

Things I'm considering the need of:

455ci engine, (preferably pre-smog).
403ci engine, (non webbed mains a big bonus).
Th-359 +/or Th400 trans.
Stainless door top trim from a T-Type body.
Blue bucket seats + console.


- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"








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<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: LOOKING FOR "SHAWN22?"WTB G-BODY DOORS
<>
<>
<>My computer crashed and lost your address have a price on a solid
<>set of G-
<>body doors, let me know if you are still looking, Thanks Chris
<>

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 06:42:55 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass GT?

> but I've never seen or heard of a Cutlass GT before.
> I just saw the logo on Jerry's G-body.org page.  Can
> anyone email me a picture of one?

Here in the Chicago area it was a limited edition for a short
while several years ago. I think they had "GT" versions of
several model lines, in fact. Still remember the end of the
radio jingle they were using: "OLLLLLDZZZ... Geee Tee!"  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:43:39 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Bucket seats

Yesss.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"








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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:45:55 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

On Monday, October 05, 1998 9:41 AM, Andrew C. Green [SMTP:acg_o@hotmail.com]
wrote: > > No offense, Jason, really, but you've got to RTFM or there is not
much > point to dumping the error codes.

<ignorance>
RTFM?  I know what code 12 means, but not RTFM...does it convert to morse code?
:-)

Seriously, what's RTFM?
</ignorance>

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:59:42 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Cliff's Classics

Good morning list .........

                    I just received some parts from Cliff's Classics for my
67'. He runs a class operation. Everything
I received was as advertised - no disappointments - care was taken in the
packaging as well as in removal
from the donor vehicle. It was a welcome relief on a weekend when my teams
were all outscored and outplayed badly...........


Just my thoughts.....
The General

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olds Omega <oldsomega73@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

Well Ray, I had the same problem on my 86 Monte Carlo SS.  I couldn't
get the damn thing to stop running hot.  Eventually I was messing
around with the intake manifold (shit I was desperate) and noticed
that the hose that lead into it for cooling was CLOGGED! I unclogged
it, bought new hose and PRESTO, back at 180 Deg. as it should be... I
hope it's this easy for you too.
Avery Plank.

- ---Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I have now replaced the water pump, the thermostat, the
radiator,
> the fan clutch, and have flushed the system four thousand times.
Still
> running hot.  I'm going to replace the fan, but I *know* that won't
help.
>  I'm going to change the water pump again for the hell of it, and
get new
> hoses, although that probably won't help anyway.  And if that doesn't
> help, I'm going to buy a kIA.  probably a nice new green sephia with
> orange splash graphics.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Suicidally yours
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409degree Cutlass Supreme Heat.
>
> p.s.  I put my centerlines back on and they work, happy!
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:12:01 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

In a message dated 98-10-04 18:58:45 EDT, you write:

<< Hey all, i posted once before about fitting an after market air intake on a
87 olds, was told the ports were smaller than 85 and earlier, just wondering
if i went to a yard and bought some 5A's of an 84 or earlier 307 (same engine
i have) if they would work on my block, im sure they would, just wanted to
know before i wasted a bunch of time going and finding them. >>

Karl has been somewhat curious about this myself.

Karl does not have an Olds small block, but could sure build one up in a
hurry.
Know where #5 heads can be found.
Also have been keen to make use of an A4 aluminum intake.
These were stock on some early '80s Olds 307's.
(Your '87 has (karl thinks) the A5 which has much narrower air passages.
Comparing the two (A4 & A5) is like night and day!
Plus A4's can be had for about $25 !!
Do NOT pay more!! These are NOT rare or aftermarket!

Chris Witt was non-committal as to whether the A4 could be used on a typical
350 or other SB.

Karl will take that as a glowing endorsement.

All information seen to date indicates that all Olds smallblock heads fit all
olds small blocks.

Piston deck clearance is definitely a consideration.

Come to think of it, someone at the Centennial had small-block heads on a
400cid BB!

Karl says go for it!

SOM

&KA

ICQ # 20414415

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:12:31 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Cliff's Classics

Patton wrote:
>
> Good morning list .........

Same to you

>                     I just received some parts from Cliff's Classics for my
> 67'. He runs a class operation. Everything

Give us some information as to contact this establishment.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:20:46 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

On Monday, October 05, 1998 10:12 AM, KarlAune@aol.com [SMTP:KarlAune@aol.com]
wrote: > > ICQ # 20414415

Good idea, Karl!  I'll put mine in, too.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:39:30 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil and improved mpg

On this line, I would like to know also...  a friend tle me that he uses a
mix of 1 - 2 qts of synthetic with the regular oil when he does his oil
change...  is there any benefit to this, versus say, using regular oil only
or synthetic only??


- -----Original Message-----
From: flynt myrick <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 4:16 PM
Subject: Synthetic Oil and improved mpg


>Listmembers,
> Have any of you noticed improved mpg when you use synthetic engine oil
>vs regular engine oil?
>
>Flynt Myrick
>f_myrick@hotmail.com
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:27:42 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Non-Olds: Speaking of synthetic...

Was watching MotorTrend TV yesterday and saw some purple stuff that added a
claimed 8 horsepower in an LT-1 Corvette.  8 horse?????  That's a sizeable
jump...but so is the price of this purple stuff over regular oil--almost 5
bucks a quart!

Anyone heard of this stuff?

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:30:02 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: CCC Error Codes (or lack of)

>> No offense, Jason, really, but you've got to RTFM or there is not
>> much point to dumping the error codes.
>
> <ignorance>
> RTFM?  I know what code 12 means, but not RTFM...does it convert to
> morse code?  :-)
>
> Seriously, what's RTFM?
> </ignorance>

*cough*  It means "Read The <very-naughty-word-here> Manual."  :-}
We here in Technical Support tend to mutter it under our breath a lot
when a customer calls in with a basic question, and the reason I put
"No offense" in front of that above was because I didn't want you to
take that as a flame; I just meant that unless you read the manual on
the sequence of steps to follow when dumping the ECM error codes, you
can very quickly get confused, or simply not get the most out of the
system you're trying to diagnose.

You can find the procedure shown in most any service book, not just
the factory manual. It's pretty straightforward (once you find the
right page... :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:54:16 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 455DRB <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia


>Actually, I think that a nice red one with a single white racing stripe
>across the car would look good.  RIGHT.

Adn lets not forget teh Mondello and Moroso and other assorted stickers, and
way too loud and oversixed tailpipe witht eh Borla exaust, and the nive
solid steel chrome wheels and tiny lil tires, tinted windows and a ill
fitted spoiler!!!!  hehehehe

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:44:08 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Date:	Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:44:08 -0400

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:43:39 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Car Alarms

Hi guys,

Grant Steering Wheels makes a hub to remove your grant steering wheel.

They can't drive off with it.  Although, I did here a story of someone
who took off their steering wheel and was stopped by a police officer
wondering what he was doing walking down the street with it.

I would agree, if they really want your car they can and will get it.  I
heard a story of a guy with a vette.  After getting home from work he
went to start it.  After the car wouldn't start, he opened the hood and
the engine was gone.  Evidently, the theives jacked the car up dropped
the engine and tranny and took it all.

Later,


Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K+

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:48:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Slick-50 Class-Action Settlement (Was Re: Non-Olds: Speaking of
synthetic...)

> Was watching MotorTrend TV yesterday and saw some purple stuff that
> added a claimed 8 horsepower in an LT-1 Corvette.  8 horse?????
> That's a sizeable jump...but so is the price of this purple stuff
> over regular oil--almost 5 bucks a quart!

Speaking of miracle additives... In yesterday's "Parade" magazine
(syndicated Sunday newspaper supplement), and probably a whole bunch
of other places as well, there was a Public Notice of a class-action
court settlement about some of the preposterous claims made for that
garbage in prior years. Seems that if you bought the stuff prior to
(I think) September of '97 and still have the receipts to prove it,
you may be entitled to a rebate of about $15.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:50:35 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Car Alarms

They can't drive off with it.  Although, I did here a story of someone
who took off their steering wheel and was stopped by a police officer
wondering what he was doing walking down the street with it.
_____________

Uh, that would be me.

If you have a four-spoke wheel (as I did), you simply need to inscrew it
(three screws for the horn ring and six for the wheel).  I did this when I
was going to school in Boston.   I'd already had my 67 Cutlass stolen and
my 68 442 broken into three times (thanks to the kill switch, they didn't
get the car).  I was tired of replacing the dash plastic every time they
busted out the ignition lock, so I started removing the steering wheel (I'd
put a four spoke in the 68).  Never had a break-in again, but the campus
police stopped my once while walking back to the dorm with wheel in hand.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:56:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Slick-50 Class-Action Settlement (Was Re: Non-Olds: Speaking of
synthetic...)

...still have the receipts to prove it,
you may be entitled to a rebate of about $15.

- -- Andy
___________

Sounds about right.  Each member of the class gets $15, and the lawyers
pocket about $15 million each.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:16:04 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

Well, my .02 cents:
1) I had my car stolen by someone who just wanted wheels, and couldn't
get the truck down the street to start.
2) The best any security system can accomplish is to make the neighbours
stuff more feasible to steal, as most thieves are lazy (that's why they
steal as opposed to work)
3) A unique, hidden home-made switch has the advantage that it's the
only one like it, so not everybody knows where it will be and how to
by-pass it.

4) Unfortunately, if somebody wants YOUR car enough, it's gone...

Thanx for listening
Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

> >All this talk of ignition kill switches raises
> >one question in my mind.  Installing a on/off
> >switch in the positive coil wire seems moot.
> >Because when the car is hot wired, this
> >switch will have in effect been bypassed.
> >Thereby serving no purpose.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:14:59 -0500
From: "jeff_rowray" <jeff_rowray@email.msn.com>
Subject: Too much email

Please take me off your list.  I can't sort through all the email

thank you

Jeff            jeff_rowray@msn.com

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:14:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: under hood color

Hi Guys,

finally finished my engine. The water pump thread which was messed up was
not that bad. I just used it as is and did not tighten the bolt too hard.
Let's hope that it will do it.

It is all gold color now and looks awesome. Only the intake is still
aluminum since it is not original and the holley I'll put on matches the
gold perfectly.

Now this beauty has to go in an engine compartment which should be fresh
painted too I think. I know it is supposed to be something like
"half-glossy" black... Can anyone describe that? Is it glossy at all? Is
there a place where I can order the original paint in spray cans? Or is
ther a close to original brand at the hardware store??? I only found
glossy or dull color so far.

Regards,
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
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http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:43:37 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

You would think I would take some typing lessons...  but that would jsut
mean there was less money to spend on my Olds...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Gage <bladernr@roava.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia


>
>Adn lets not forget teh Mondello and Moroso and other assorted stickers,
and
>way too loud and oversixed tailpipe witht eh Borla exaust, and the nive
>solid steel chrome wheels and tiny lil tires, tinted windows and a ill
>fitted spoiler!!!!  hehehehe
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:39:54 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: under hood color

I know it is supposed to be something like
"half-glossy" black... Can anyone describe that? Is it glossy at all? Is
there a place where I can order the original paint in spray cans? Or is
ther a close to original brand at the hardware store??? I only found
glossy or dull color so far.

Regards,
George
____________

Congrats, George.  The paint you're looking for is semi-gloss black.  It
has a kind of satin finish.  Eastwood sells a paint they call "chassis
black" in spray cans, which is about the right gloss.  Also, I just picked
up Krylon semi-gloss black at Trak Auto, which I plan to try on the engine
brackets of my 69.  I'll let you know how it looks.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
69 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:15:58 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: engine is smoking bad pleas hlp!!

when ever i drive my cutlass for more than 5-10 minutes and I stop or shut it
off smoke starts pouring out of my engine, basically when the engine gets hot.
I am going to replace the valve cover gaskets to see if that does anything,
but is there anything else you guys would recommend I change while I am doing
this.  Oh the smoke is deffinitly burnt oil leaking somewhere did a
compression test and a leak down test but everything came out fine.  Its an 82
cutlass supreme V-6 3.8ltr and I know these engines are notorious for leaking
oil.  So what else should I change besides the vallve cover gasket?
TIA           Rich

82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:22:41 -0400
From: Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com (Blankenship, Mike)
Subject: 1966 442 4 speed

1966 Olds 442 hardtop, close ratio m21 4 speed, # matching 400 4 bbl,   A/C,
manual steering and brakes, gold with black bucket seat interior,   console,
side-mount tach,  67 ss1 wheels(have original wheels and   hubcaps), New 
correct
aluminized exhaust with correct chambered tail   pipes and chrome tips, 125,000
miles.  runs and drives good, has some   rust around rear window, Original
title, dealer invoice, protecto-plate.    Needs restoration.  No missing parts,
$4,000 firm. Acworth, Georgia,   770-529-5745, e-mail
Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com

Thanks
Mike

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:28:44 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: '70 Console/Shifter different than '72?

Ok Folks.  Is the '70 auto console and shifter different than the '71 - '72
auto console & shifter?  The reason I ask is I have the rear mounting
bracket for a '71 - '72 console, and it DOES NOT work with my  '70 Console.
This '70 console appears to need a bracket that is about 5 1/2" long and
that sits about 1 3/8" off the floorpan tunnel.  Am I smokin' dope, or is
there really a difference?  If anyone has a '70 console & shifter and a
'71 - '72 console/shifter, will you please compare them and see if there is
any difference?

Thanks,
Blaine

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:26:05 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: WTB G-BODY DOORS.

Gary know where to find this stuff
455ci engine, (preferably pre-smog).
403ci engine, (non webbed mains a big bonus).
Th-350 +/or Th400 trans.>>
Blue bucket seats + console.
let me know Thanks Chris

Chris Sommerville
69 442 SC
70 442 HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:26:25 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Is the mail down?

I haven't received any mail since friday 10/2. Is anyone else experiencing
this problem?
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:34:00 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Aluminum Hoods

I remember reading in some auto publication that GM  occasionally will
run a batch (500-1000 or so) of hoods, deck lids or other body panels to
see how they hold up in the real world. They query dealers about
problems that are reported by customers. Usually the extra cost for
aluminum sends them back to steel body parts and they save weight by
other means such as adding more plastic parts.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 13:04:20 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

Money? I haven't had a decent amount of money to spend on my cars since
I got married... LOL

Everything I do now comes from a shoestring budget.

*sigh*

No, I'm not trading the wife or kids in for auto parts, but don't think
it hasn't crossed my mind... :)

Jim...

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:48:48 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

>You would think I would take some typing lessons...  but that would jsut
>mean there was less money to spend on my Olds...


Hey, I can't spell-type either.  I can do both separate, but not together.
I did not even notice any typing errors in your e-mail till you said this
and I reread it.  Who cares.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:50:14 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: STOLEN

>Reward!


Reward for the stuff or the guy dead/or/alive/dead prefered.  HA HA.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:55:54 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: Tranny bracket for floor shift auto

I remember someone asking the list a while back if there was a different
bracket for the transmission when converting from column shift to floor
shift.  After routing the floor shift cable to my transmission yesterday and
crawling under the car, I discovered that there is no way to hook the cable
to the tranny.  I don't remember what the answer was, so I'm asking it
again.  Is there a different bracket that I need for the tranny?!?  And if
so, does anyone have one they want to sell me really cheap?  Shouldn't this
have come with my console & shifter?!?  I'm getting so fed up with this
conversion.  I'm about ready to toss a pound of C4 in the d*mn car and walk
away (I'd have a 1-hour timer on it, of course).

OK, I'm through venting... for now.

- -Blaine

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:55:48 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Valve Cover Gasket follow up

My surface was totally clean and all but the oil pan gasket sealed
beautiful.  I simply recomeded silicon because I found it easier to live
with especially if you pop the valvecovers once or twice.  The only down of
silicon I experienced is that it is a pain in the butt to clean the old
silicon prior to reinstall.  Igor.

>My suggestion for any gasket sealing is to have a clean surface free of any
>debris, and then remove any oils/grease from the mating surfaces with brake
>cleaner or lacquer thinner.  Then use Fel-Pro's "High-Tack" or "Avation
>Sealant".  The gaskets by themselves should seal the mating parts, you
>shouldn't have to goop them up with silicone.
>
>Steve Reed
>'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
>Austin, TX
>
>

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:06:17 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tranny bracket for floor shift auto

Blaine, as you have found out yes there is a brachet and a lever that is
required. What transmission are you using let me know and I believe I've got a
couple of spares. Will check tonight. I have made the bracket and lver from a
B&M shifter work before. let me know Chris


Chris Sommerville
69 442 SC
70 442 HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:14:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Timothy Hall <hallt@athena.csdco.com>
Subject: Model Gas Pumps (fwd)

Had a fellow make me an exact reproduction of a garage/gas station my
uncle owned in upstate New York. Made it to accommodate the 1:24 Danbury
Mint models. Only thing it needs is a couple of gas pumps to scale. Uncle
sold Tydol and later Esso gas. Any ideas on how to shortcut the search?
Thanks

TC

'57 Olds Super 88 Holiday Coupe (J2)
'67 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe (455)

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:21:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny bracket for floor shift auto

i don't know the specifics of how the factory floor shifter shifts....but
i had put a hurst quarter stick into my car which utilizes a cable to do
the shifting...this came with a bracket to mount to the transmission to
hold the cable, but that is it.  I also didn't encounter any real problem
running the cable. Nathyn

On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, B. Sanders wrote:

> I remember someone asking the list a while back if there was a different
> bracket for the transmission when converting from column shift to floor
> shift.  After routing the floor shift cable to my transmission yesterday and
> crawling under the car, I discovered that there is no way to hook the cable
> to the tranny.  I don't remember what the answer was, so I'm asking it
> again.  Is there a different bracket that I need for the tranny?!?  And if
> so, does anyone have one they want to sell me really cheap?  Shouldn't this
> have come with my console & shifter?!?  I'm getting so fed up with this
> conversion.  I'm about ready to toss a pound of C4 in the d*mn car and walk
> away (I'd have a 1-hour timer on it, of course).
>
> OK, I'm through venting... for now.
>
> -Blaine
>
>

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:52:37 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please.

Tow-bar's can be built / bought for real cheap, what do you have
available for a pulling car??

With driveshaft removed, 1000 miles for a car being towed should be OK,
and it doesn't take a really big car to tow another car, but it is a LOT
nicer..

.02 given

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

Peter Berusch wrote:
>
> So if a guy wanted to move an Oldsmobile from San Antonio, and the car
> wasn't up to a thousand mile trip, how would he move such a treasure?  I
> called U-Haul.  They want $700 to rent a small truck and a car carrier one
> way and I have to pay gas and insurance.  Seems like an awful lot of money.
> The car comes with a ton of good spares, so I need a way to move these as
> well, hence the truck/trailer combo.  Any thoughts on doing this any (a lot)
> cheaper?  I probably should mention the ultimate destination is Atlanta,
> Jawja.  Peter.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:40:40 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: Re: STOLEN

>Reward for the stuff or the guy dead/or/alive/dead prefered.  HA HA.



Or how bout at least a reward for a comprable amount of the thief's
anatomy???  Seems a fair trade fro ripping off Olds parts...  <EVIL GRIN>

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:37:08 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: engine is smoking bad pleas hlp!!

So what else should I change besides the vallve cover gasket?
>TIA           Rich


check the PCV valve.

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:37:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 350 engine for sale

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: 350 engine for sale

Guys,

I know I've posted this twice now, but I have a 77-79 350 Olds engine
that needs a valve job for sale. I'm in the Central Michigan area, and
will take a reasonable offer for it. It runs strong, even with a bad
exhaust valve, so I'm guessing it would be an excellent motor to
rebuild. It's got 3A heads.

I don't have the bucks to rebuild it, and I'd like to see it get a good
home.

Jim...

'83 Olds powered Malibu wagon
'65 Buick Special

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:03:43 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re:

On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:35:02 -0400 "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS"
<gjcouse@francomm.com> writes:
>What is the origin of the METRIC 200 tranny? Is it a Canadian release?
>What's different from it to the standard 200-4R?
>
>Gary J. Couse
>'86 Custom Cutlass
>

th200 iS A  3 speed
th200-4r is the 4 speed od version
>gjcouse@francomm.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:06:50 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: METRIC TRANNY.

How many detents to shift doen to first?  There's a large difference
between a lock-up converter and overdrive, though I've heard people
insist that their cars have automatically engaging overdrive when it's
just the converter locking...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:18:56 -0400 "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS"
<gjcouse@francomm.com> writes:
>Huummm;
>My 86 has a 200-4R trans with a metric pan than, as it says METRIC on
>it.
>Yet I definitely have a 4th gear, (OD). Actually I believe it's a
>converter
>lockup, isn't it.
>
>----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Custom
>gjcouse@francomm.com
>  
>1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"
>
> <>-----Original Message-----
><>> What is the origin, (START), of the METRIC 200 tranny? Is it a
>Canadian
>release?
><>> What's different from it to the standard 200-4R?
><>
><>Not sure about origins, location-wise, but it began before 1980.
><>The metric 200 (TH-200-C) is a
><>3-speed automatic transmission and the 200-4R is the overdrive
><>version of the TH-200-C, but isn't
><>plagued with the 200's problems.  It's evident that the OD
><>versions (they came out a little bit
><>later, 1981 maybe?) have stronger internal parts than the 200's do.
><>
><>Jason Adcock
><>Blacksburg, VA
><>E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
><>Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org
><>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:01:26 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: upholstery

Does anyone have any suggestions on replacing stock upholstery for a front 
bench
seat for a 70 Olds Delta 88??? Is there companies selling reproduction kits???
Your suggestions are greatly appeciated Bruce Camilli 1970 Delta 88 Conv. 350ci
1775 Delta 88 Royale Conv. 455ci

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:45:05 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: Anyone have a console FS?

Anyone have a black auto console ('70 - '72) that's not all broken to pieces
that they want to sell for $50 or so?  I'm tired of looking at the broken up
POS that I was sold last year.  I want one that's not cracked or broken or
rotten.  I really don't even care if it's duck-crap green - I can paint it.
I just want one that's solid.

Thanks,
Blaine

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:43:25 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Still overheating, next step, a kia

Thanks for the advice Igor!  I will conquer this thing, and when I do, I
will announce myself to be the Olds-cooling system expert!  Until then,
I'm just a sorry, frustrated b*stard!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 04:52:01 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: STOLEN

Will whoever stole it actuallly ever be able to firgure out that it's a
2x4 intake for an OLDS?!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 05:41:49 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: thinking caps, please, LONG!

Well, my car was in Tucson and I was in Philly, I borrowed a 77 Chevy van
off my Dad and transferred the registration and insurance and all for
about $60.

GT: $60

  I recruited two people who needed to take a non-driveable car to
Denver, and recruited my ex-Arizona-housemate.  I rented a trailer at
$45/day for seven days.

GT: $375.

Then i bought a nice class III hitch for the van for $150

GT: $525

Then, of course I needed a brake controller, $80, a tongue and ball, $20,
and all the necessary tools to bolt up the hitch, ie. specific size hole
saws, etc. $20

GT:  $645

Then we headed out to Denver.  Since I was towing a car to Denver for
these friends of mine, they pitched in for half the cost of the trailer,
- -$157.50.  They also paid for 1/3 of the gas on the way out, -$133.33 as
did my ex-housemate since we were going to AZ to get some of his stuff
also, -$133.33.

GT:  $220.84

Of course, that left me to pay the other third, :133.34<---I got screwed
on that penny!

GT:  $354.18

And then from Denver to Tucson, I spent about $60 on gas.

GT:  $414.18

Well, I was glad that the first half of the trip was over.  It had only
been about 52 hours that I was in this van without a shower or anything,
and I had at least 24 hours to spend in Tucson so I could make it back to
PA in time for work.  So, we did what we had to do in Tucson, ie. get the
Rocket!  Loaded up the trailer and van, and headed northward back toward
Denver.  While driving on US 191(?) in Utah, the Ch#vy 350 in the van
decided to throw a rod or something seriuous and seriously internal.
Well, fortunately, my xhousemate and I were driving through a "town" when
this happened (the other two friends were staying in Denver with the
people who owned the car that I towed out, actually Vail).  This town
that we blew the motor in is called Mexican Hat, with a population of 79.
 It was about 11:00 in the morning when this happened, and as soon as the
van coasted itself to a stop on the side of this highway, Tom
(exhousemate) and I just laughed at the bad situation we were in.  All of
our valuable possessions, including my car were in the back of this van
and on the PA-rented trailer.We didn't know what to do, so we went to
*the* bar in Mexican Hat, Utah.

GT:  $454.18

Well, we got to talking to the bartender, Gail, and we told her our
situation.
<edit large part of non-Olds related story>
I sold the van to Gail for $5.00

GT:  $439.18

Tom and I drove my car to Dove Creek, CO to get a big F*rd diesel Uhaul
to drive to Philadelphia, $800.  Plus the gas we put in my car and the
Uhaul to get back to Mexican Hat, $60.

GT:  $1299.18

After loading everuthing into the Uhaul, hooking up the
to-be-returned-late trailer, and loding my car back upon it, we headed
back to Denver area to pick up the other two who had been skiing and
hiking and going out to dinner and going to parties, etc., etc. etc..
Then proceded back toward Philly.  We had a few hours of delay in Kansas
City, MO, when the brake booster on the Uhaul wnt bad.  Nothing like
driving a 28 foot Uhaul with a 20some foot trailer with a 3400 pound
Cutlass on it through a city on an interstate at 4:30 p.m. with manual
brakes!  Fortunately, diesel is pretty cheap, so with this combined
vehicle weight of about ten thousand pounds, I only spent about $450 on
fuel.

GT:  $1749.18

Once we finally got back, I returned the trailer and paid $135 for
returning it three days late.

GT:  $1884.18

And of course with renting the Uahul in Co, going back to UT, and back to
Colorado, we went over our mileage allowance on the Uhaul, only about
$46, though.

GT:  $1930.18

And, needless to say I missed a couple days of work also.  So the trip
cost me over $2000 altogether.  But, I love my Olds, I have it now, I can
do smokey burnouts again, and I don't give a damn!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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