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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 28 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1576



Re: emblem locations???
Re: Parts
Re: sources for interior panels, seat covers
"Brother's" nightmare II
Crouse Customs
Re: Parts (www.oldsparts.com)
70 442 AND PARTS FOR SALE
Re: "Brother's" nightmare II
Re: Aligning a door  + challenge to all members
anyone here ever hear of a 69 Cutlass GMO?
Re: B&M Transpak/Shift Kit
Re: "Brother's" nightmare II (USA Parts)
EFI for all you guys
Re: Open Element Air Cleaner
Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?
Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?
Grille Restoration Question
Out of Pocket
Re: 455 rebuild
Rear Springs
Disc brake upgrade
G-Body Organization Owners Information
72 cutlass convertible for sale
Static Collector
Re: The Goat Guy in OK (Was Re: Oldsmobile Resto...)
Re: Aligning a door
Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale
Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale
Re: tank size
Unsubscribe
A good book about the "Muscle Car Era"
Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?
Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale  ????
Re: Out of Pocket
nos nos
looking for a 67 442!!
Lookin' for some fun
Unsubscribe
Re: Disc brake upgrade
Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale  ????
Check your vents
Custom center console cover needed
(no subject)
(no subject)
Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?
RE: Custom center console cover needed
Re: Custom center console cover needed
442 W30 Delta
Re: Rear Springs
RE: Custom center console cover needed
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Disc brake upgrade
Re: Parts
Re: Disc brake upgrade
Rallye suspension
olds manuals
Update: Sparky Valve Job (fwd)
Re: Update: Sparky Valve Job (fwd)
Re: Open Element Air Cleaner

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:39:24 -0800
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: emblem locations???

I may be wrong, but I belive you can still get these emblems from YEARONE, call
them at, 1-800-950-9503.I'm looking at the fall of 1997 catalog on page #277,
theirpriced $29.95 each. Hope this helps. Also call maybe 1-800-YEARONE.

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:

> i guess there isn't any sources for emblem locations.  i really, really need
> the fender location for a 1970 442 conv non w-30 car.  i also need trunk lid
> locations too.  if all else fails, could someone please measure them on their
> car.  this is the only thing needed to finish the frame-off restoration.
>
> mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:49:05 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Parts

its Brothers there are more than a few opinions on them present on this list
but they are very close to me so I go there to pick up what I need they seem
to know what they are doing and have good quality products they only do
cutlass and 442 parts unlike paddock and year one they have everything from
soup to nuts give them a call they would be glad to help the problem seems
to be in the timliness of delivery the either drop ship everything or they
backorder but so does year one and their quality bites
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:52 AM
Subject: Parts


>Has anyone ever ordered from the website www.oldsparts.com? Curious if
>they are a reliable source.
>
>Thanks,
>Del
>
>
>
>
>==
>Rock-Man's Page
>http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:53:17 -0800
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: sources for interior panels, seat covers

Hey Greg, Stick with YEARONE for seat covers. I got new ones for my baby {
a 1970-442} I had them professionally installed, The results..... Primo
looks, I am totally satisifed with my purchase. just my .02 cents.

Gregory Zimmerman wrote:

> What mail order places have the best quality seat covers/ door panels,
> and interior rear quarter panels (convertible)?  I've been happy with
> Year One, but I have not tried Fusick, Brothers, etc.   Any info will
> be appreciated.
>
> -greg

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:56:58 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: "Brother's" nightmare II

Hi Guys,

Talking about Brothers Automotive...
I am now waiting for my back coil spring insulators since almoust a
month. Every I call Brothers Automotive they tell me it got shipped the
Friday before. I am really getting aggervated... remember Buch's post? I
think there may be a pattern...

George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:15:44 EDT
From: BuchD@aol.com
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: "Brother's" nightmare

Hey, guys!

Just thought i'd share a story about Brother's automotive with you all.  I
ordered parts from them over a month ago, and still havent received them.
They make excuse after excuse when i call, UPS lost it, etc.
If they screwed up, that's fine , just DONT LIE ABOUT IT!  I hope no one else
has a problem with them.  Ive ordered lots of parts from lots of different
places, and never had this much trouble. By the way - they charge you for
backordered parts!

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:14:09 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Crouse Customs

Sorry to bother the list, Gary need your email address, blew it somehow
Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:17:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Parts (www.oldsparts.com)

I think this is Brothers... (I could be wrong - I'm sure I'll be corrected
if so)

If it is, you'll get some strong opinions from others. I've never ordered
from them myself. People here turned me off. I've had very good luck with
Fusick's and Year One, though.

I ordered a catalog from Brothers a year or two ago. Still haven't got it.

At 09:54 AM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever ordered from the website www.oldsparts.com? Curious if
>they are a reliable source.
>
>Thanks,
>Del
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:24:23 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: 70 442 AND PARTS FOR SALE

OK list I'm thinning it out and have a few items left and need to move them so
make me some offers and we will work on them. I still have a lot of good stuff
in the yards around here and will act as the middle man (person to be
politically correct) just let me know. Thanks Chris If you are interested
please e-mail me privately at
SOMMERVLLE@AOL.COM  or call (910) 487-1540 home or (910) 396-5420 work ask for
SSG Chris Sommerville (I'm in the Army, located in Fayetteville NC) all parts
are priced without shipping
all of this stuff is subject to trade need some 69 442 parts, and always
looking for another 442.
MY STUFF
1970 442 south carolina car, has some rust and dents but is a solid start. Is
a bench seat, auto on the column 455 AC car. Has the wrong year 455 in it but
know where the original 455 is located at. Car has potentialwas green on green
w/ black leather interior. Have pictures and can e-mail on request want $1000
OBO

ladder bars and mounts for GM A body $75

new 4 core radiator for 68-72 442 used one month $150

flowmaster exhaust from the header collectors to exit behind rear wheels  good
shape $75

set of "C" heads pulled off of a running motor I would say that they need to
be gone through $100

set of "8" heads off of a running motor $75

picking up a 1969 C/S parts car in decent shape has a #5 headed 350 and a
turbo 400 e-mail for needs

Junkyards, will act as the middle man and I will have to get a price from the
yard for you.
1968 442 some small items no nose has a "C" headed 400 and auto trans (Sitting
for some time)wants about 800 for motor trans and rear

1966 or 67 F85 (2, one is a post car) and cutlass mostly stripped now some
parts left

several 1969 and 70-72 cutlass's 2 and 4drs

1971 442 been stipped inside and doors are gone rest of car in decent shape

several 455's most with G and J heads. one E motor

2 sets of T-Tops for 1979 and newer cutlass's good shape

several 73-77 cutlass and 442's

TONS of G body stuff in great shape

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:21:24 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: "Brother's" nightmare II

I've had VERY good luck with USA Parts Supply.
They ship fast and have people that know what they stock.
even though they don't list it in there catalog (AKA charge more for it)
everything I've gotten from them has either had a "Genuine GM part"
sticker on it or been a name brand, specificly Wagner and Gates

USA Parts Supply
8505L Euclid Ave
Manassas, VA 20111
1-703-335-1935
orders 1-800-872-2013

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:38:35 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a door  + challenge to all members

Chris Sparks wrote:
> No.  The door shuts beautifully on the driver's side, not so great on
> passenger side.  It has mainly to do with the W/S (framed door) mating
> up to the door sill.  I think the door could be a little bit higher so
> the W/S has more surface area of contact with the sill.

Still sounds a bit fishy to me.  Sounds a little like a poorly adjusted
door (adjusting doors being an art which I can only get assistance for,
not practice myself).  Generally though, from what I have seen, people
adjust doors in wierd ways that work OK in order to not have to change
the hinges.  My dad does autobody, and you can get some interesting
stuff pop up from 'adjustments'.  I'd still say it's remove-weld time
and get some new pins/bushings for good luck ($6.00 Canadian at
dealership).

Just guessing, though...


> > I'd guess a 75 Cutlass door at 2-3 hundred lbs???
>
> Woah!  That is a lot of weight for a door.

I think one day I should try to hold it on a scale, then subtract my
weight to get the total, jsut to find out, but I'm not sure I could lift
it, or hold it, or that it wouldn't break the scale.  It sure would be
interesting to find out what a fully-dressed Cutlass door of Mid-70's
vintage weighs, since it hinges on 2 little pins??

... Challenges all members to weigh a door so I don't break my back
trying ...

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:03:16 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: anyone here ever hear of a 69 Cutlass GMO?

Hey there,


My good friend went to look at a 69 Cutlass.    The original owner said it was
a rare option.    It had Cutlass emblems and GMO emblems on both fenders.  It
was not a W-31   It did have a 350 in it   and it also had (check this out)
Red inner wheel wells in the REAR.    12 bolt posi,  with sway bar.  Buckets
console.    The owner said that only 1600 were built.


Please help me  I am stumped.

Thanks


Vinny
68 Hurst/Olds
62 Starfire

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:24:54 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: B&M Transpak/Shift Kit

I have a Hurst Shift Kit in my th400 in the Delta.  Great 1st to 2nd shift,
quick (street/strip 2 setting) and almost always gives a nice chrimp
(255/60/15 tires, 3.23 posi).  I am happy with it so far.

Igor Todorovic, UofC

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

igor455@home.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:28:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: "Brother's" nightmare II (USA Parts)

I've ordered a few things from them too. Always received a good part on a
timely basis. No complaints here.

At 02:21 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>I've had VERY good luck with USA Parts Supply.
>They ship fast and have people that know what they stock.
>even though they don't list it in there catalog (AKA charge more for it)
>everything I've gotten from them has either had a "Genuine GM part"
>sticker on it or been a name brand, specificly Wagner and Gates
>
>USA Parts Supply
>8505L Euclid Ave
>Manassas, VA 20111
>1-703-335-1935
>orders 1-800-872-2013
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:44:42 -0600
From: "Austin Schroeger" <austin@lsol.net>
Subject: EFI for all you guys

Thought I'd share here.  Check out the latest Hot Rod magazine.  There are a
few good articles on EFI.  IU know there are lots of you out there
interested in doing such a swap, and i think these articles will help you
out

Also, remember to check out the TPI engine swap article on www.g-body.org
under the Tech/Faq section

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
http://www.g-body.org
http://members.lsol.net/austin
1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:58:29 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Open Element Air Cleaner

  When you implement the open element you will need to make a
>provision for the hose from the valve cover to the air cleaner.  I believe
>the only option is what I did and that is an open vavle breather

The K&N drop base I used to have had a scored spot on the base that
you could knock out and a plastic adapter that you could bolt in that would
allow you to reconnect the line from the valve cover, but without any
filter.
I went for the open breather.


Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:13:31 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?

>
>Can I modify a automatic console to look factory 5 sp?  Or 6?  Add 4.10
>gears, 6 sp double OD, and have a ball!  Tear up just about anyone off
>the line!  Add 455 W30.....6 sp stick.....lighten the chassis.....Can we
>say 12's, even 11's if you could ever get traction??
>
I would like to hear some views on this, specifically the feasability of
sticking
a 6 speed behind an Olds motor.  I almost considered building a Chevy motor
(oh my god, did I just admit that?) just to facilitate putting in a 6 sp.
Ultimately
realized it would be a crime against humanity to put that in my 68 Cutlass
but
the powerglide has to go and overdrive would be great but a 200R4 wont last
and if I'm going to go through the trouble to put in a 700R4 then might as
well
go with the 6 sp.  Does anyone have any idea where you can get a adapter
plate to mount the chevy trans to the OPB bellhousing since I think these
trans
have an integral bellhousing.  Thanx

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:22:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?

> but
> the powerglide has to go and overdrive would be great but a 200R4 wont last
> and if I'm going to go through the trouble to put in a 700R4 then might as
> well
> go with the 6 sp.  Does anyone have any idea where you can get a adapter
> plate to mount the chevy trans to the OPB bellhousing since I think these
> trans
> have an integral bellhousing.  Thanx
>
> Mike B
> mbloomer@gateway.net


Do the recent Firebirds and Trans Am's have a Chevy or Poncho bolt
pattern?  That might be a source for a 6 speed... I think they were
available with one.




    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:42:52 -0500
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Grille Restoration Question

I'd appreciate your thoughts/experience on this task.

I have come into posession of a nice set of metal Supreme grilles for my
'71, from a fellow listmember (thanks, Bob).  They are, however, quite
weathered- they look like they've been on a car for at least, what, 27
years?  They really don't appear to have been painted originally- not sure.
The recessed areas between the rectangular openings were at one time painted
flat black, it seems.

How should these be treated?  First thought is to sandblast, paint 'em cast
grey or silver, and then detail the black by hand.  Any better ideas?
Bob, Covington, VA
robertan@cfw.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:38:00 -0800 (PST)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Out of Pocket

Hi gang...
Having computer problems hopefully will be back on tomorrow, if you
need me before email angliabug@yahoo.com and he will forward message




==
John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com
  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:48:54 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: 455 rebuild

Brian Smith wrote:

> Thanks for the input on my 455 rebuild questions. I need a clarification
> regarding the pushrods. Is it correct that once you use the thicker head
> gasket you automatically have to compensate by way of adjustable or longer
> pushrods or shims - even if you didn't do any other modifications?
>
> Secondly, I'm going to purchase lifters, pivots and perhaps rockers in the
> near future. Should I buy GM pieces or can you get better quality for less
> cost aftermarket? Are there any concerns with what lifters to buy at this
> stage? I was thinking of cam choice, or the above concerns of pushrod length
> and lifter preload?
>
> Thanks again Rocket fans.!
>
> Brian Smith



> 1971 SX coupe

Brian,

This is my first day on so I don't know excatly what your doing with your 455
but heres what I think.

I'm not sure about needing longer pushrods with your thicker head gaskets. I
don't think you you would need them.

As for your rockers, depending on what type of a build-up your doing you've got
three choices. Stock rebuild; stock type rockers from GM or probably any cam
manufacturer, high performance rebuild; roller tip or full roller rockers, they
cost more but they're worth it for a performance engine.

You can get stock type hydraulic lifters for any general rebuild or if it is
going to be a hi-po piece you can get hi-rev lifters also.

I think the aftermarket pieces would be better quality and possibly cheaper 
than
GM.

I just finished rebuilding a 455 for my street thumper. I got most of my parts
and tech help from Mondello Performance Products. They are the Olds guru's as
far as I'm concerned.
They also just built me a "true" 700 horsepower engine for my drag car.

Their number is 805-237-8808.

Shane Gibreal
'67 Cutlass Convertible (street)
'67 Cutlass S (drag)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:49:52 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Rear Springs

I am getting new rear springs on my 72 Supreme this weekend.
Questions tho, because Im looking for a slightly stiffer ride.
1. Is there a difference between 442 springs and regular Cutlass springs.
2. Will 442 springs fit on my supreme.
3. Is there a different set of springs for a Supreme.
4. what is the feasibility of Station Wagon springs?

thanks
Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme (The Beast).  Nicknamed by my wife because it was the
first V8 she had ever driven.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:15:47 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Disc brake upgrade

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About 7 yrs ago I converted my 72 Cutlass to discs on the front
and used a kit from a company called HO Racing Specialties=20
or something like that.  The discs came off a later model A body
which has a taller spindle which improves front end geometry and
really made the car handle and stop a lot better.  I want to do this=20
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this company.  Thier kit reused the stock control arms which worked
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stock ball joints? =20

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mbloomer@gateway.net


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:22:27 -0600
From: "Austin Schroeger" <austin@lsol.net>
Subject: G-Body Organization Owners Information

Just want to post quickly about the G-Body Organization owners list.  This
is a list of G-Body owners all over the world.  If your interested in being
added to the list, please goto http://www.g-body.org and click on "Owners"
on the top of the page and follow the instruction on the web page

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
http://www.g-body.org
http://members.lsol.net/austin
1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:23:55 EST
From: Jjhelle@aol.com
Subject: 72 cutlass convertible for sale

I'm trying to sell my cutlass convertible. Has a new top, new interior, new
paint, air, power steering, front wheel disc brakes, 350 w/4 barrel, auto,
console shifter. Red with a black top and interior. If anyone can give me an
idea on where would be the best to advertise the car, I would be eternilly
grateful.

Jim Helle
Jjhelle@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:41:32 -0600
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: Static Collector

Where and what is the static collector? I know it has something to do with
the dust cap.


Adam Broussard
1962 Olds F-85 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:51:02 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Goat Guy in OK (Was Re: Oldsmobile Resto...)

Fellers,
Let me clarify what I was trying to say last night about the 'Good ol Boys
from Oklahoma'. Reading their ad in Hemmings and other sources one may have
the impression that they were a full scale warehouse and salvage yard of
vintage Oldsmobiles. So.. I thought I would just look these good ol boys up
and check out the place. I might just stumble onto some parts for the 57.

When I couldn't find any local listing (i.e. phonebook), I called up the
number listed. Just as previously noted, it took a while to get through to the
guy the nature of my call. He eventually admitted that there wasn't any
warehouse, salvage yard, garage, shed, smokehouse, back pasture or any thing
of the sort that I could come over look through. Seems he just has 'sources'
for vintage parts. That he will have them drop shipped to you.

Now that is just fine and dandy. I just would like to know that up front. I
mean if he can find something I can't, that I have to have, I'll pay the man.
Many people make an honest living making deals and finding connections as a
third party. Just advertise your business as a parts BROKER.

However, I think most of us have visions of a supplier such as Fusick's who
are the consumate professionals.  They represent themselves to be nothing more
and nothing less than the truth. I am sure other readers could add their own.

Seems like a while back we were flaming a supplier who used a photo of a
building in his ad that wasn't associated with the company.

That said, this good ol' boy from Oklahoma hopes the guy in question is also a
good ol boy and comes through for all of his customers. He just needs to more
accurately represent his 'bidness'.

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:03:04 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aligning a door

Question:

Does the car in question have a vent window?  If so, adjusting it and the
glass channel could solve your problem.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J2

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:04:36 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale

what's wrong with right here on the list?  how much are you asking and where
are you located?  also you might want to put an ad at www.traderonline.com.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:16:19 EST
From: Jjhelle@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale

I'm in Daytona Beach, Fl. We have between $10,000 and $11,000 invested and
we're asking $8,000 obo. Thanks for the inquiry.

Jim Helle

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:24:03 -0800
From: Toby Blom <floridarealtor@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: tank size

As  I know, it should be 18 gallons
Toby

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:55:16 -0500
From: "laurencesimpson" <laurencesimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: A good book about the "Muscle Car Era"

    Now that were getting into the "colder" part of the year, I would like
to pass on to the list members a good book to read.  It's called Glory Days,
and was written as a memoir by Jim Wangers.  The publisher is Bentley, and
you can get it in soft cover from www.amazon.com for about $20.

    Granted it contains a lot about Pontiac, but it does give a very good
overall history of the era of the late fifties to the seventies.  Its not a
picture book, although it is well illustrated, but an honest attempt to tell
the truth.  You will read about many humerous, and outrageous things that
were done back then.  The name of Hurst keeps popping up, along with
Delorian, and Knudson.

    If you lived through this era, its a trip back in time, and if you're
too young, then its a good read about a wonderful era in motor sports.

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
HOCA#514
88 H/O Advisor
laurencesimpson@msn.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:48:20 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?

>
>Do the recent Firebirds and Trans Am's have a Chevy or Poncho bolt
>pattern?  That might be a source for a 6 speed... I think they were
>available with one.
>
Don't remember the exact year but GM chose the  Chevy as the
"corporate" V8 a while back.  The current and last generation F body
all have the Chevy motor and thus the bolt pattern.  The same in racing,
even if the valve covers say Pontiac, Olds, etc under the sheetmetal
all the pro stock and winston cup cars engines are based on chevy
motors whether big block or small block respectively.  The divisions'
may come up with thier own heads but the bottom end stays pretty much
the same.  Witness the Olds DRCE motors in Pro Stock.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:49:49 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale  ????

 where are you   i;m in ga   jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:51:46 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Out of Pocket

john  olds guy here   jeff  dixie olds club


still awaiting the literature

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:54:55 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: nos nos

 jim  jeff in atl...do you buy nos parts...

what years....have a 20 + list trans parts..mouldings   weatherstrips
lights   mid 70's 80' and poss 90's
 A/C parts  cruise parts....

jeff

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:06:06 -0800 (PST)
From: non-ya non-ya <c__b__@yahoo.com>
Subject: looking for a 67 442!!

I am in south GA.

i would even settle for a 70 442
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:08:31 -0800 (PST)
From: non-ya non-ya <c__b__@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lookin' for some fun

i am in search of a 67 or 70 442 convert.  in decent shape but aleast
running.

where do i need to start my jearney?

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:11:37 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disc brake upgrade

Mike,

I have a little insight into swapping spindles on the 64 to 72 A-bodies, as I
have an asphalt circle track 71 Cutlass 'S', "Grace".  Now what we did as far
as the entire swap would not only be impractical (weight jacks and relocated
shocks), but some of the things might be something to consider.

In our Sportsman class, we have to use the stock lower control arms, but the
spindle and upper control (A) arm are whatever we want.  Right now, we're
using a set of B-body spindles from the mid-70's.  They are tough as nails,
plentiful and with a replacement of the lower ball joint can actually lower
the car -- that's done with an threaded insert welded to the top of the arm
and a Chrysler ball joint, it sets the spindle higher than usual.

The upper arms are tubular off-the-shelf stock car items, and are bolted to
brackets welded to the top of the frame in about the same place as the
original mounts, only higher.  This makes for a better angle (or lack thereof)
on the upper arm.  I think this (raising the mount) could be done with bolt-on
parts and some high-strength hardware, then just select the length of arm you
need to get the right geometery on the front end.

If you don't mind spending the money($157 each), Coleman Machine has a set of
spindles that would lower the car and use stock B-body rotors and brakes, or
rotors they sell that retain the 4 & 3/4" A-body pattern.  We use the 5"
pattern since the rear has that pattern as well (F-word 9" rear end) and also
uses the same calipers front and rear.

Sometimes the racing market has things that might come in handy on the street.
When I "upgrade" the 70 C/S SX there will be a lot of stock car / road race
parts on her.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/index.htm

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:21:42 EST
From: Jjhelle@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass convertible for sale  ????

Im in daytona beach. I bought this car for 4000. Had it stripped to bare and
all of the dings pinged out(no rust) and painted red. That cost 3500. put new
interior and a new top(w/glass rear window) top and interior are black. Got
roughly 10000 invested. Would like to get some ware around 8000 for it. Would
take a reasonable offer. Thanks for your reply.

Jim Helle
Jjhelle@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:21:19 -0500
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Check your vents

My father is getting ready to send his '70 442 Convt. out for paint and is
stripping all the trim/interior etc... to aid in reducing the paint costs.   In
the process he was in the windshield defrost duct work and found a brand-new
ignition key.  The knockout was still in tact and the key had some black
overspray on it.  It must've inadvertantly been dropped into the duct sometime
during assembly.  Funny what you'll find left over from years gone by.

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:05:29 -0600
From: "Austin Schroeger" <austin@lsol.net>
Subject: Custom center console cover needed

I am in the process of installing a 3 speed version of the 1983/84
Hurst/Olds Lightning rods shifters in my 1984 Monte Carlo SS.  Already
knowing that the center console covers are different from the Olds to the
Monte, I'm wondering if anyone out here in cyber land knows of a way I can
get a console cover for my monte that will work with the L/Rods?  I've
talked with a plastics design center here in town but it would cost lots of
$$$$$ for the cover to be made because it wouldn't be mass produced.

If anyone has any ideas, please e-mail me

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
http://www.g-body.org
http://members.lsol.net/austin
1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:33:19 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: StickShift 81-88 G-Body?

Check out speedway parts, and other stock car type racing catalogs.

Does anyone have any idea where you can get a adapter
>plate to mount the chevy trans to the OPB bellhousing since I think
these
>trans
>have an integral bellhousing.  Thanx


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:35:38 -0500
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Custom center console cover needed

Great find on the Lightning Rods shifter. I've been looking as well. Even
inquired to Mr. Gasket/Hurst about the possibility of releasing say 500 sets
as a special year 2000 CC-IROC-SS edition. As yet, no response. Would love
to get a set. Have a foundry local and am sure I could create an original
design for the project.

- -----Regards,

   G.J.C
Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
ICQ# 5209322
518-622-0376
mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

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- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Austin Schroeger
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:05 PM
To: Monte-List; Olds_g-body-List; Oldsmobile-List
Subject: Custom center console cover needed


I am in the process of installing a 3 speed version of the 1983/84
Hurst/Olds Lightning rods shifters in my 1984 Monte Carlo SS.  Already
knowing that the center console covers are different from the Olds to the
Monte, I'm wondering if anyone out here in cyber land knows of a way I can
get a console cover for my monte that will work with the L/Rods?  I've
talked with a plastics design center here in town but it would cost lots of
$$$$$ for the cover to be made because it wouldn't be mass produced.

If anyone has any ideas, please e-mail me

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
http://www.g-body.org
http://members.lsol.net/austin
1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:41:02 -0600
From: "Austin Schroeger" <austin@lsol.net>
Subject: Re: Custom center console cover needed

I too have contacted Mr gasket about this.  I also have a contact who has a
4 speed (original 1984 L/Rods) set for sale. I believe he is asking only
$275.00

Let me know if you are interested

Austin Schroeger
Home ICQ# 16380613
Work ICQ# 7328959
(920) 682-3277 HOME
austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
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http://members.lsol.net/austin
1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)

- -----Original Message-----
From: <GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS <gjcouse@francomm.com>;
oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:35 PM
Subject: RE: Custom center console cover needed


>Great find on the Lightning Rods shifter. I've been looking as well. Even
>inquired to Mr. Gasket/Hurst about the possibility of releasing say 500
sets
>as a special year 2000 CC-IROC-SS edition. As yet, no response. Would love
>to get a set. Have a foundry local and am sure I could create an original
>design for the project.
>
>-----Regards,
>
>   G.J.C
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Customs
>ICQ# 5209322
>518-622-0376
>mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com
>
>Couse Custom Cutlass,
>'86 CC-IROC-SS-#1 = "Quincy"
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Austin Schroeger
>Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:05 PM
>To: Monte-List; Olds_g-body-List; Oldsmobile-List
>Subject: Custom center console cover needed
>
>
>I am in the process of installing a 3 speed version of the 1983/84
>Hurst/Olds Lightning rods shifters in my 1984 Monte Carlo SS.  Already
>knowing that the center console covers are different from the Olds to the
>Monte, I'm wondering if anyone out here in cyber land knows of a way I can
>get a console cover for my monte that will work with the L/Rods?  I've
>talked with a plastics design center here in town but it would cost lots of
>$$$$$ for the cover to be made because it wouldn't be mass produced.
>
>If anyone has any ideas, please e-mail me
>
>Austin Schroeger
>Home ICQ# 16380613
>Work ICQ# 7328959
>(920) 682-3277 HOME
>austin@lsol.net / austin@g-body.org
>http://www.g-body.org
>http://members.lsol.net/austin
>1984 Monte Carlo SS (406CI)
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:44:08 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 442 W30 Delta

Okay, I don' t want to build a W-30 Delta, just one that can maybe ran par
with the slowest W-30 455 ever made.  First question, how heavy were the 455
W30s?  How heavy is my 455 '81 Delta with a TH400, no power anything except
steering and brakes.  A/C long gone.  My current cam is 272-280 AD,
.448/.472 lift, something like 110 lobe centerlines and 204/214 duration
@.050.  Motor has been fully rebuild, basically a stock '76 motor except for
10:1 CR. pistons, Cam, ported and polished J-heads.  Intake is a '70 442
with no emissions, and the carb is the same.  Exhaust is stock manifolds
with dual 2.5", balancer tube, Dynomax long super turbos and 2.25"
tailpipes.  The trans has a 12-inch converter and a HD cooling, as well as a
Hurst shift kit.  Rear gears are 3.23 8.5" 10-bolt posi with 255/60/15
BFGoodrich tires.

I know that the W30 cams were much more radical.  Even though the motor is
not even 1000 miles yet, I am willing to change the cam, but need it to be
streetable and work with stock valvetrain.  I hear no more the .500 lift so
I figure a cam with .472/.496 lift and 280-290 AD, 214/224 @.050.  Also, as
far as I know the W30 442s had optional 3.91 gears.  I would not mind the
3.90s or 4.10s but I like some highway ability.  3500 RPM at 75 mph (posted
limit here) is a little to much for me.  With my 2.41s I could do over 120
at that speed with lots left.  What do I need to boost power/reduce weight
to get this big olds in the low 14s, maybe high 13s.  There is a guy at the
local speedway that has a '79 Caprice (POS) but runs low 14s with no bumpers
and most interior parts.  Since my car looks much better then his and is a
OLDS, I would like to beat him.  I have no idea what time I can do now.  My
car is just being finished at the bodyshop and color is ready to be applied
now.  I am thinking metallic blue with silver stripes (any other
suggestions).  I was going to have W-30 painted on the side fender, but
decided against it for two reasons.  First, don't want to disrespect the
W-30s in any way, and second if some punk in a Ford or Chevy beats me, I
don' want him to think that he beat the big W30 motor.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic, UofC

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

igor455@home.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:42:55 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

Good Question, i am going to change my springs and shocks on my 72
cutlass supreme soon.  Has anyone bought the springs that pst sells?  A
friend of mine bought his stock type from Year One and had no problems.
Has anyone used "so called high performance springs on there olds?  What
would be the best brand of shocks.  It is my street ride so I don't need
drag shocks.

>
>
>I am getting new rear springs on my 72 Supreme this weekend.
>Questions tho, because Im looking for a slightly stiffer ride.
>1. Is there a difference between 442 springs and regular Cutlass
springs.
>2. Will 442 springs fit on my supreme.
>3. Is there a different set of springs for a Supreme.
>4. what is the feasibility of Station Wagon springs?


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:46:50 -0500
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Custom center console cover needed

<Snip>

I also have a contact who has a
4 speed (original 1984 L/Rods) set for sale. I believe he is asking only
$275.00

Let me know if you are interested

<GJC>

Huummm, as in 200-4R or 700-4R?

- -----Regards,

   G.J.C
Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
ICQ# 5209322
518-622-0376
mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:04:14 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

>Good Question, i am going to change my springs and shocks on my 72
>cutlass supreme soon.  Has anyone bought the springs that pst sells?
>Has anyone used "so called high performance springs on there olds?  What
>would be the best brand of shocks.  It is my street ride so I don't need
>drag shocks.
>
As for shocks, I swear by KYB.  They are high pressure nitrogen charged
and do a remarkable job at improving handling without being too stiff.  On
my
'72 with the stock springs it was stiff enough in the rear that just pushing
on
the back bumper was not enough to get it to compress, but with the weight of
the car it rode smooth over bumps.  I put performance springs on the car (I
believe it was from PST, got the KYB's there) later and it handled very
well.
The car wouldn't grip off the line very well though, not much weight
transfer.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:50:10 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

1. Is there a difference between 442 springs and regular Cutlass springs.
_____________

Yes, the 442 springs will have a higher spring rate, making them stiffer.

================

2. Will 442 springs fit on my supreme.
_____________

Yep

================

3. Is there a different set of springs for a Supreme.
_____________

Different how?  You can install 442 springs, you can get towing springs, or
you can get custom springs from companies like Global West or Hotchkis.

================

4. what is the feasibility of Station Wagon springs?
____________

Good question, but I'm not sure if they are the same height and end coil
configuration.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:46:43 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Disc brake upgrade

Mike,

Ken Snyder has some good ideas about adapting stock car parts for the
street.  Here are some alternatives designed for street use.

HO Racing went belly up a few years back.  Their F-car spindle conversion
did two things for the A-body.  First, it was a way to adapt 11" disc
brakes which were relatively plentiful.  Second, the F-car spindles are
3/4" taller than the A-body spindles, which results in a change to the roll
center of the car and a corresponding improvement in handling.
Unfortunately, when using the stock A-body control arms as HO Racing did,
you quickly run out of shim adjustment for camber.  The upper arm shafts
end up very far inboard, and while yours cleared your 350, they likely
won't clear a 455 or headers.  In addition, you're putting one heck of a
bending load on those bolts that retain the shaft to the frame.  The
aftermarket offset shafts help this somewhat, but it still is not the ideal
solution.

As you've pointed out, Hotchkis sells tubular upper control arms which are
designed to correct this problem.  These arms are shorter than stock to
accommodate the taller spindles.  Global West also sells a similar product,
however in my opinion the Global West parts are much stronger and better
made.  I bought these for my 66.  Note that either company's A-arms allow
you to use the F-body or B-body spindles.  Both are the same height and use
the same ball joints, however the B-body spindles are available with 11" or
12" discs, whereas the F-body parts only came with the 11" brakes.
Calipers are the same.  Note that while the B-body rotors use the 5 x 5"
lug bolt pattern, the F-car rotors use the same 5 x 4 3/4" bolt pattern as
the A-bodies.  The good news is that the F-car rotors can be used on the
B-car spindles, and the 91 Z/28 with the 1LE brakes actually used 12"
rotors.  Thus, you can get the correct size rotors with the correct bolt
pattern from any parts store.  The only problem is that these 91 rotors use
metric lugs, so you'll need to replace them with the usual 7/16" A-body
lugs.

Again, as you've correctly pointed out, the conversion requires different
ball joints.  Both companies' kits include the upper ball joint with the
arms, new lower ball joints machined to fit in your stock lower arms, and
new outer tie rod ends (that taper is different too).  The other thing is
the bushing type.  Hotchkis pushes their polyurethane bushings, while
Global West hawks their Del-A-Lum, which are solid aluminum with a Delrin
plastic liner for compliance.  Either kit can also be obtained with stock
rubber bushings.  I've heard of problems with the urethane bushings, so I
went with the Del-A-Lum.  I was obviously concerned with running a solid
aluminum bushing on the street, however after seeing the parts, I think I
made the correct choice.  The bushings are machined with lubrication
passages, and the Delrin liner does provide compliance and squeak
resistance.  Unfortunately, the car is a ways from being roadworthy, so I
can't tell you how they work.

Finally, your question about simply remachining the spindle taper is a good
one, however the problem is the need for a special tapered cutter to get
the correct hole geometry.  Still, it seems that a cutter would be cheaper
than the fabricated arms and specially machined ball joints.  Oh well.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:22:50 -0500
From: Todd <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: Parts

At 09:54 AM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever ordered from the website www.oldsparts.com? Curious if
>they are a reliable source.
>
>Thanks,
>Del
>
Del,
yes i have i got right and left rear 1/4 and tons of little things and also
carpet but the shipping of the rear 1/4 was so high i drove down to
Virginia and picked them up my self...thinking they had a show room or
something well when i got there i could`nt find the place at first then
found it it was a little old building with a cardboard sign duct taped to
the window went in and 3 guys on phones and the place had papers junk trash
laying all around also had used olds parts all over but as for the  parts
that i got they were great just not what i had expected .

Todd
72 cutlass supreme
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:48:38 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Disc brake upgrade

At 10:46 PM 10/27/98 , you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>Ken Snyder has some good ideas about adapting stock car parts for the
>street.  Here are some alternatives designed for street use.

(SNIP OF EXACTLY 554 HIGHLY INTELLIGENT WORDS OF INSIGHT INTO DISC BRAKE
CONVERSIONS)

>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>

Does anyone else on this list ever wonder exactly how the hell Joe got to
be so smart?  I read this post, and all I could say was..."Damn".

This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of why the list reply-to default needs to stay
exactly the way it is.


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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:31:57 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Rallye suspension

Hi all,

This spring thread has me wondering about something. My H/O supposedly has
the rallye suspension handling package option. Don't remember the code off
hand. What does this package consist of? Is it just stiffer springs (442
ones), shocks, and the rear sway bar? Does it include the rear boxed control
arms also? I haven't found the build sheet  yet, (haven't looked) so I'm
going by what the previous owner stated. The springs need replaced, so I'll
need to find out eventually.

Thanks,
Randy

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:16:56 PST
From: "Jukka Kujala" <oldsmo88@hotmail.com>
Subject: olds manuals

Hello everybody,

Has anyone got shop manual for full-size 1963 oldsses or place where can
I find it?

Jukka



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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:50:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Update: Sparky Valve Job (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Update: Sparky Valve Job

Greg,

Please forward this to the Olds List when you get a minute....no hurry. 
Thanks!

- ------
All who took interest and came to my rescue with my valvular problem:

First of all, a sincere thanks to all he*lping hands with my ordeal. I was
flooded with well wishes and information. More than I ever expected. I
tried to reply back to everyone. But, if I missed you, please understand
that I get TONS of mail and just can't get back to everyone, eventhough I
try my darndest. Chances are you got a reply from me however.

Just to get you all up to speed, I got the valve job done with no problems
from a VERY good machinist. New valves, guides, springs...ect ect. A
perfect job and well worth the money. And yes, labor was only $285 for
both heads. I bought all the parts wholesale and got away with about a
$595 bill total for a 2 head complete valve job. This did not cover the
stuff I did and needed: gaskets, push rods, rockers, stands, etc etc for
the reinstall. All tolled, I'd say I have about $750 in it without tools I
had to buy (like a torque wrench....et al.)

I intalled the heads/intake myself without a hitch. Only problem I had was
that I was 180 out when I threw the distibutor back in. (nobody told be
about two TDC's! 2:1 relationship between cam and crankshaft) (:  Happens
to the best of 'em the way I hear it. (READ THE MANUAL SPARKY!!!) Quickly
solved however, and it fired up like a P-51 Mustang. (replete with smoke!)
(:

However, my #7 cylinder remains a problem. Still only 50 psi on the
compression test. Yes, I have ring problems on that bucket.

After much debate with a muriad of folks, it has been narrowed down that I
more than likley have stuck/sticky rings on 'ol #7 from burning prestone
when the head gasket blew. This is due to glazing and/or carbon/crud build
up from the by-product of ethylene glycol at 2000 degrees. Cylinder walls
are like a baby's butt! Perfect with only a minute ridge that is BARELY
detectable.

Consenus is that I DO NOT have broken rings, cracked pistion, or failure
other than rings that are just plain sticking. Worst case is that they
have been hydro locked as pointed out to me by John Pajak. If so, I do a
ring job....but lets not go there for now!!

I have been advised to fill the cylinder (through the spark plug hole)
with things like kersosene, mineral spirits, Marvel Oil, Lube Aid,
Risoline, carbon tet, etc etc, in an attempt to free the rings.

Since the car is stored for winter now, I will do several solvent attempts
and see what happens in spring when I fire it up after a 6 month sleep.

Sometimes even driving the car will bring them back I hear. Eventhough I
have a dead can, it goes like a raped ape with the new valve job! he he
he! A testimony to the Rocket 425 to say the least! Thank God for Mr.
Kettering and the Boyz from Oldz!!

Any other thoughts or comments would be appreciated. I'm not on the list,
so please reply to me privately. gkalkhof@execpc.com Sorry, I can't handle
all the Olds List mail right now. Although, I may join over the Holidays,
always a happy time for me.

Again, I sincerely appreciated everyones input on this. It really h*lped
alot!

Sparky
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Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:39:39 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: Update: Sparky Valve Job (fwd)

I have been haveing roughly same problems as Greg on the 69 CS

The car would miss backfire through carb, and in general the once
powerful 350 had the stumbles.

Did compression test and leak down on all cylinders. Turns out the
#7 cylinder leaked lots of air through intake and exhaust.
100# compression was the max.

Pulled the head and the exhaust value was black instead of a
healthy burnt white and tan.

With less than 500 miles on the engine ... it's valve time again.
I am not a happy camper! But I guess it's better than metal in
the pan.

Anybody else ever have this low mileage problem with Valves?
Is there something that can be done to prevent such problems?
I prelubed every part before putiing it together ... prelubed
engine when assembled ... did a slow breakin ... and until 500
miles me and big red were doing just fine.

Dusting the 74 Chevelle might have had an effect but that hardly
made Red breath hard.

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:44:15 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: Open Element Air Cleaner

I bought an open element from Summit. It came with
the hardware to connect the hose to the valve cover.
As mentioned ... no filter ... but it fit just fine with
filter and hose assembly from my stock 69  CS.

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net



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