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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, October 19 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1559



2G's and RPM's (Was Re: I'm back.)
Oldsmobile toy resembles a Pinto?
Re: Oldsmobile toy resembles a Pinto? 
Parts book
Checking on you
Sorry
value of 66 Delta 88 4 door?
After all that ... it's still missing
Re: Parts book
Finally Saw a 442!!!!!!
Re: After all that ... it's still missing
choke question
OAI Air cleaners
Power Tour
Power Balance Test (Was Re: After all that ... it's still missing)
Still Missing...
postings
403's kick rear
Re: Open letter about list traffic
Re: '73 Rocket Rescue (fwd)
Re: 66 cutlass
Need a cheap car in PA
Re: Parts book
Re: '73 Rocket Rescue (fwd)
Re: choke question
Edelbrock Torker
Re: After all that ... it's still missing
timing adjust problems
Re: Open letter about list traffic
Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale
Re: timing adjust problems
Re: Power Balance Test (Was Re: After all that ... it's still missing)
Re: After all that ... it's still missing
Interesting Olds pics...
Re: choke question
Re: choke question
Carb rebuild
Re: 403's kick rear
Re: 403's kick rear
Tubular Exhaust Manifolds
wiring
RE: value of 66 Delta 88 4 door?
re your internet site
Re: Need a cheap car in PA
Re: Carb rebuild
Re: wiring
Re: 4 Sale
Shop Manuals For Sale
Re: Still Missing...
Re: 403's kick rear

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:04:53 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: 2G's and RPM's (Was Re: I'm back.)

Matt,

I know what you mean by quick revving 2-barrel engines - both the 455
originally in my 70 C/S SX and the 350 I replaced it with (after 140,000
miles) had 2G's on them.  An interesting sidenote to this is the car could get
up to speed pretty well, but there was a limit to what it would do - I think
it was somewhere around 100 (with the 350 and a lot of miles on it).  The car
has a 2.56 posi in it, I think the engine runs out of A/F mixture sort of like
a restrictor plate on a Winston Cup car.

If you had a vacuum guage on your car and could compare it to an identical car
with the only difference being a properly adjusted QJ or similar 4-barrel I
think you'd see that the 2G  keeps more of the vacuum signal at WOT than the
4-barrel.  That means the car wants more than the 2G so the engine will be
sensitive to throttle increase, just like over-carburetoring an engine can
actually slow it down and make it sluggish.

I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but this has been my
experience.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:31:49 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile toy resembles a Pinto?

I was scoping out the box on one of my Demolition Man Fast Blast 442s
(the big convertible) and read something disturbing I haven't noticed
before...

"Car explodes on impact!"

Like they're proud of this feat.  Actually, there's a little button on
the front of the bumper that when pressed, the engine pops up and out
knocking the W-25 hood right off with it.  And the trunk lid pops open
supposedly if you RAMMED IT INTO SOMETHING (Yikes!) and blew the engine
out.

As an Olds lover, I just felt a little weird about this.

And not that I condone drinking and driving, but with the Stallone
character behind the wheel, his right hand seems empty.  Doesn't fit on
the shifter worth a crap, so I was wondering since he has that molded
"grip", if one of those novelty tiny beer cans wouldn't work...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:54:33 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile toy resembles a Pinto? 

speaking of Oldsmobile toys,
Federated auto-parts has 1/24th scale metal wind-up
replicas of a 1949 rocket 88. they are about $6.

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:07:47 -0700
From: "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
Subject: Parts book

Does anyone know where I can get a GM parts book for a 1972 Cutlass
Supreme.
Greg

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:01:48 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Checking on you

Chris,

I was just wondering if you got back home okay.  Sure hated to see you
leave at the time you did, but I did enjoy meeting you and running with
you.  As you probably guessed, things are a little strange around here
with the mother in law living with us  and all.  Not her fault but she
does complicate things to some extent as her ideas and mine/our ideas
don't get too close very often.  Throw in two young adult type daughters
and life gets really interesting in many ways.  Need to do that again
sometime and see what else is waiting on us.  Sounds like I'm searching
for more pieces than you are, but then you've already found some of
yours.  

Get that list of parts to me and I'll see what they want for it down
there and get back to you.  Still POed at the guy in Crab Orchard about
changing prices.  I won't be back there unless  has something that I
JUST CAN'T FIND elsewhere.  Believe me, I'll try a lot first though. 
Well, I better get back to work and get a couple more returns out.  With
the interest rates on homes down, a lot of people are needing things
from me.  Take care of yourself and get back to me on the wish list. 
Hope your trip home was uneventful and safe.  Later.........

Don

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:07:31 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Sorry

That last post was supposed to be sent direct to Chris.  Sorry I forgot
to change the address.  It was really nice to meet him though.

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:08:49 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: value of 66 Delta 88 4 door?

Anyone know the range of values for a 66 Delta 88 4 door with a 425 Hi Comp? 
From mint to poor? Only has 41K miles.
Thanks

Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:28:35 -0400
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: After all that ... it's still missing

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Well the old 69 Cutlass is still giving me fits.
Rebuilt the engine and it ran like a charm for three months.
After a mild confrontation with a Chevelle ... which was over
   almost before it began ... my Cutlass began to miss.

The miss became a loss of power and backfire problem ...=20
Changed the distributor, changed the coil, changed the carb,
re-gasketed the intake manifold ... tuned and times.
The car ran better 18 degrees advanced ... at 20 it would hardly crank.

So I am up to pulling the valve covers and checking rods, valves, etc.
Anyone out there have a solution or idea about this problem?
Nothing I have tried has worked ....=20

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:35:58 -0700
From: "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Parts book

If you know where I can get a GM 72 parts book e-mail me off line at
gjackso1@san.rr.com

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> From: Greg <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Parts book
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 5:07 PM
> 
> Does anyone know where I can get a GM parts book for a 1972 Cutlass
> Supreme.
> Greg

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 20:56:15 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Finally Saw a 442!!!!!!

Well, today was a good day.  On the way home from church, I drove by an 87
442.  Teal blue metallic!  I've NEVER seen an 80's 442 or H/O in real life,
only on the internet, but man, they sure are sharp cars!  Much nicer than any
pic on the internet I've seen.  (No disrespect intended toward anyone's car,
it just looks much more brilliant up close and personal...)  Hey!  If anyone
on either list was driving their 442 on Highland Drive in Burnsville, MN this
morning, you better email me!  (yeah right, what a longshot...)

- ---------------------------------
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Burnsville, MN
G-body List and general email go to- jcrash7@aol.com
Olds list email- megadelta@aol.com
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
ICQ#- 4856181
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:06:00 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: After all that ... it's still missing

> Well the old 69 Cutlass is still giving me fits.

Check this page here:

http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/powerbalance.htm

Oh, and Kyle, ya might want to see what's involved in turning off the html on
your messages.  The list's been making an issue of the html content in 
postings,
and I see there's still some coming through on yours.  If it's not too much to
ask, set your mail program to plain text only, or at least check...  My reader
shows it as coming through just fine, but I think many of the others will show
gibberish, like the 200+ digest folks...  They'll appreciate the effort... 
Thanks!  :)


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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:46:05 -0400
From: "Johnny Gage" <bladernr@roava.net>
Subject: choke question

Ok...  I now understand why thunder runds like crap when she is cold (other
than big v-8s do that anyway.  The choke is bad.

Problem here.,  where do I find a replacement???

the facts:  67 Toro, 425, Q-Jet.  The choke spring (cant think of a better
word for it) is the little thing that is mounted to teh intake manifold that
has a coil spring in it, adn connects to the linkages taht open adn clost
the butterfly.  the spring is bad.  I cant find on here.

question: do you guys know if there is a similar piece on any other GM car
that will fit this?  I know that  alot of the motor parts were
interchangeable, but am not sure what to look for when I am shopping, and
really cant find it anyway.

so do you guys know if one from another make will fit, or do any of you guys
have one spare that you would be willing to sell me???  I am desperate as it
is getting cold here now, and soon I wont be able to get her started.
Thanks a lot!!!

Jeff
><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#18716911
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Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia

"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:36:08 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: OAI Air cleaners

Currently have a chrome open air filter ("Made in Taiwan" sticker on the
bottom, YIKES!) on my 71 442.  'Would like to get back to reality. I've seen
the OAI top half of the cleaner in the catalogs for ~ $400. What about the
bottom half? Is this a standard cleaner body with the cover replaced by the
$400 item? If so, what year range would a compatible body come from? TIA.
Scott

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:07:59 -0400
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Power Tour

Hi family. Well the H. R.  Power Tour is complete for Quincy. In a field of
apx. 1,500 cars, Quincy was the only Olds G-body. There was 3 GN, 1 GNX, 5
Malibu SS. I was situated about 2/3's deep in the line up field. Foot
traffic was low that far out and I couldn't have that! So I walked up to
Arron whom was H.R.'s lead man of The Power Tour. He was MC'ing the affair.
He had enough intrestet in the Cutlass IROC-SS project that he had me
announce through his mic all about the project. Man, I commandeered that mic
for about 1.5 minutes. I had about 165 people directly come to Quincy
requesting more info.  Very incurring indeed. Mind you, these were not Olds
primary officianato's.

Many. many Rods. Almost as many superchargers as not in the field. One twin
turbo Com*ro. Anyone heard of "Hook" headers? It was stamped into the
header. Nonetheless. They were great. Bent rearward at exit from port. Than
up and semi-circle bent forward to the turbo's. Just as I had envisioned for
the IROC 455ci+ project. I need to effect a dual injector system. A primary
for clean idle to say 45% throttle, and secondary that moderates (computer
controlled) for a secondary normally aspirated (albeit) twin turbo/carbs Vs.
Nitrous. Huummm, much work a foot for the winter.

At any rate. A GREAT day for the Cutlass IROC-SS project.

To all those offering help on the site, Now is the time. I'll spend the week
writing content material for the site. Hopefully Friday will prove the
digitalis. I know the contact sheets will be available for hard copy visuals
than. The digitalis are being done elsewhere with an (implied) Friday
readiness. We'll see.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:22:09 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Power Balance Test (Was Re: After all that ... it's still missing)

Charley,

Great page! (http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/powerbalance.htm)  I'll
have to try this the next time I want to evaluate an engine.  I usually go
with a compression check and leakdown test and decide from there.

I'd be curious to see if there could be a way to build a fixture that you
could transfer all the wires on the distributor to, connect this to the cap,
and then run this test.  I could see this being a regular test on a race
engine, recording the results and comparing them to previous tests.

If anyone on the list hasn't visited this page yet, I recommend it!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:40:56 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Still Missing...

>After a mild confrontation with a Chevelle ... which was over
>almost before it began ... my Cutlass began to miss.

Chevelle toast, we presume..

>The miss became a loss of power and backfire problem ...
>Changed the distributor, changed the coil, changed the carb,
>re-gasketed the intake manifold ... tuned and timed.

Ken, about the only thing left is a sticking valve. Misfire, backfire, loss
of power, all of the above.

drc

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:39:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: postings

if the list has to be tooooo politically correct then we better sell our
oldss and buy geo metros and be green, 
i mean like it is all in fun, just like lighting um up just to see black
snakes and smoke
47rocket98

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:44:11 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: 403's kick rear

I just need to boast for a moment.  I just race a 96ish Vette on the PA
turnpike, starting from about 75mph, and he could not keep up.  Ha ha
Vette owner, you just got smoked by a "granny" car in a top speed
challenge!  403's kick a$$!!  Oh, I really love my car tonight...

And my question, pinging at high rpms is quite possibly caused by an
inferior fuel pump that can't keep up and causes a lean condition, yes? 
Anyone know of a good high quality high flow mechanical fuel pump for an
Olds?  Does Carter make them?  Thanks!  I love Oldsmobile!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:10:31 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Open letter about list traffic

I did not include original post, so hopefully you know what I'm talking
about.
My suggestion to those in digest mode is to get another email acount, ie
a free one, and use it for the list(s!) only.  The only mail I get at
this address is Olds related, and as long as I retrieve my mail at least
once every 2 or 3 days, there's no problem of overflow.  Actually, I'm
getting more posts/day now that there are two lists.  If this becomes a
problem, I'll just s*bscribe to the g list under a different account. 
I've tried digest mode and real time, and have found that real time is
much better for wading through posts that do not apply to me.  Remember
the glorious subject line!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA


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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:44:24 EDT
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: '73 Rocket Rescue (fwd)

hello to doug. my name is dennis. you e mailed about the 69 model car. yes im
intrrested. as for the 73 vin, i do know a little about this:
3 - olds division
j57 - cutlass supreme
m - 350 4 barrel with dual exhaust
3 - last digit of production year    (1973)
r - built in arlington texas
hope this helps, doug, i tried to email you directly but couldnt make the
conection,    would you please try to email me directly? thanks in advance
w451973@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:55:45 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: 66 cutlass

Sorry I'm not replying privately!  I erased your address!
North Carolina elimintes me from potential buyers. Thanks though...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:57:36 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Need a cheap car in PA

Well, I'm going to be buying a winter car within the next month.  I'd
like to get an Olds, so I'm just wondering if anyone has any Cheap Olds
they'd like to get rid of.  I don't care what it is, as long as it'll run
for a few months, and I do prefer that the heater works.  Thanks all! 
I'll probably get stuck with a Nissan pickup otherwise!  help..!!!!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:17:13 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Parts book

My brother was able to order the manuals for his 79 International Scout
II through a Scout specialty store.  So if they're available for a Scout,
they damn well better be available for one of the coolest cars of all
times!  I'd theorize that an Olds dealership may even know where to get
suc things.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
Apologizing for the non-private posts

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:35:58 -0700 "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com> writes:
>If you know where I can get a GM 72 parts book e-mail me off line at
>gjackso1@san.rr.com
>
>----------
>> From: Greg <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Parts book
>> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 5:07 PM
>> 
>> Does anyone know where I can get a GM parts book for a 1972 Cutlass
>> Supreme.
>> Greg
>

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:46:52 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: '73 Rocket Rescue (fwd)

W451973@aol.com wrote:
> 
> hello to doug. my name is dennis. you e mailed about the 69 model car. yes im
> intrrested. as for the 73 vin, i do know a little about this:
> 3 - olds division
> j57 - cutlass supreme
> m - 350 4 barrel with dual exhaust
> 3 - last digit of production year    (1973)
> r - built in arlington texas
> hope this helps, doug, i tried to email you directly but couldnt make the
> conection,    would you please try to email me directly? thanks in advance
> w451973@aol.com

Hay! Is there a new member out there with a '73 who joined while I was
gone? Somebody fill me in, please!!!!

- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:59:00 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: choke question

> the facts:  67 Toro, 425, Q-Jet.  The choke spring (cant think of a better
> word for it) is the little thing that is mounted to teh intake manifold that
> has a coil spring in it, adn connects to the linkages taht open adn clost
> the butterfly.  the spring is bad.  I cant find on here.
> > Thanks a lot!!!
> 
> Jeff


The coil spring is the choke thermostat - as it gets hot, it expands and
opens the choke. I may be smoking something, but I think that part is
still available. I'll research and give you an answer on Tuesday. Tamraz
sells the choke thermostat for '68 - '69 Cutlass (part#OC1206Z) and it
is priced at $75 which leads me to believe it is the older style -
anyone care to verify? 

I know the late model style electric chokes are readily available and I
think you could retro that onto your '67 without too much trouble if
functionality is more important than orignality.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:59:53 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Edelbrock Torker

Is anyone running the Torker intake on a relatively mild 455? I am
particularily interested in what effect the manifold had on the low-end.
On my 350 - I installed a Performer RPM and I felt that it took quite a
bit from me on the low end. I am wondering if the 455 has enough low-end
that the Torker will not greatly effect low-speed driveability. 

Comments?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:04:56 -0500
From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: After all that ... it's still missing

Ken Swick wrote:

> After a mild confrontation with a Chevelle ... which was over
>    almost before it began ... my Cutlass began to miss.
> 
> The miss became a loss of power and backfire problem ...
> Changed the distributor, changed the coil, changed the carb,
> re-gasketed the intake manifold ... tuned and times.
> 
> Ken Swick


A miss is usually caused by one of three things - no spark, vacuum leak,
or no compression. 

First verify that you have spark on the cylinder - check the plug and
the wire. Next run a compression check - if no compression than you can
suspect or bent/burnt valve or a blown head gasket.

If compression is good, look for a vaccuum leak on that intake runner.
(You did not state which cylinder is missing) This could be from a
leaking vacuum ports or valves that are adjusted to tightly.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:16:02 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: timing adjust problems

When adjusting my timing, I can turn the distributor approx. 10-15
degrees with minimal changes in RPM at idle.  Is this normal?  I have 
been having timing problems because of my vacuum advance setup and 
the fact i have no timing tab.  Also, I'll ask about the intake 
again.  Does and aftermarket (Edelbrock Performer) intake manifold 
help out much (on a 350)?  Are they worth the price?  Thanks

Joe 
82 CSC w/ 350

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:15:38 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Open letter about list traffic

> My suggestion to those in digest mode is to get another email acount,

Although several digest folks are stuck with a text only server, and don't have
the option of running Netscape.  Many are running PCs at their jobs, too, and
check their mail during lunch breaks, etc.  Many of those probably won't have
Netscape on their workstations... (If ~you~ were a boss...  would ~you~ want
your employees surfing the net? ;)  Many don't have computers at home, and I
can't see making life harder on them, just because they don't have the 
options. 
Plus with more accounts, there's more confusion.  (don't believe me, sounds too
simple?  Try teaching your parents how to program a VCR... That'll grey your
hair...  trust me...  ;)  

The thing is, the rules laid down, and the guidelines requested are not that
demanding...  Just use common courtesy when posting, keep the posts as on topic
as possible, and keep the html off.  Not only does it benefit the graphically
challenged users, it also eases the load on Chebucto, less stuff for it to
process and disperse.  Not that much to ask, if you ask me.  If we ask the
digest folks to change they ~will~ change.  They'll unsubscribe.  I don't want
to see that happen.

This list has earned a family feeling from good folks helping good folks.  Its
about helping those less fortunate, less knowledgable, and less experienced. 
It's about providing friendships across the globe, and about making an effort 
to
make a positive difference in as many lives as possible.  It's about making
certain that as many as possible have the opportunity to be with us, and that
only the basics are prerequisites.  Email access, and a desire to learn about
and enjoy Oldsmobiles.  It's not a sink-or-swim organization here, if someone
can't keep up with the hottest browsers, we're not gonna abandon them.  We're
not going to tell them to improve their stuff, when it's so easy for us to trim
our posts, and keep the html off.  Post with care, that's all we're asking
here.  It's not that much to ask.  

Sorry this is so long, but it needs to be said.  And Ray, I'm very certain it
was merely a suggestion, so don't take any of this as a flame.  It just mirrors
the philosophy of too many here, and I just want to say its up to us to clean 
it
up, not for the graphically challenged to sink or swim...  We'll drown before
they do, if I have anything to say about it.  

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:13:12 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale

I am selling 2 chrome rocker panel covers that go on 70-72 "A" body
Cutlass/442. This pair is from a 72 and are in good condition. I don't
think they sell these anywhere, so I believe they are hard to find. These
chrome panels were an option back then and would bolt up to the rocker
panels. If interested E-Mail me privately. I never seen these being sold
elsewhere so the asking price of $45.00 is negotiable.

 

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:35:59 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: timing adjust problems

> When adjusting my timing, I can turn the distributor approx. 10-15
> degrees with minimal changes in RPM at idle.  Is this normal? 

Depends.  If the computer's still there, then yes, it's probably normal, trying
to automatically compensate for idle speed with the idle speed motor on the
carb...  I see the vac. advance mentioned.  That makes me wonder.  How modified
is this thing?  Is it still running the computerized ignition module, by 
chance,
stuck on an older HEI distributor?  Is the computer completely gone?  These
questions need to be addressed first, I'm afraid...

As for the intake, yes, the Edelbrock is a good unit, and is one of the few big
improvements for the $ you can make.  That can be done without ditching the
computer, too...

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:44:09 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Power Balance Test (Was Re: After all that ... it's still missing)

> Great page! (http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/powerbalance.htm)  
Thanks...  Figured it's about time to post that up somewhere...  One hell of a 
time saver.

> I'd be curious to see if there could be a way to build a fixture that you
> could transfer all the wires on the distributor to, connect this to the cap,
> and then run this test. 

I'd be leary about crossfiring there, anything touching the vac. lines would
pose a chance of shorting, I think.  Plus, this leaves you free to use on any
engine, 4, 6, 8, 12...  :)  points, hei, possibly DIS, even.  (Although I'd 
make
damn sure the screwdriver's insulated!  ;)

This is probably one of the coolest tech tips I got in college....  Much 
cheaper
the plugging in the Sun scope, and having a $10000 piece of hardware do the 
same
thing.....

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Date: Thu, 03 Jan 1980 22:01:57 +0000
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: After all that ... it's still missing

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The timing  chain could have been damaged in the accident so that could =
be your problem and could explain the degredation in =
performance.......kk
- -----Original Message-----
    From: Ken Swick <swickka@pa.net>
    To: oldsmobile bb <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:27 AM
    Subject: After all that ... it's still missing
   =20
   =20
    Well the old 69 Cutlass is still giving me fits.
    Rebuilt the engine and it ran like a charm for three months.
    After a mild confrontation with a Chevelle ... which was over
       almost before it began ... my Cutlass began to miss.
    =20
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    re-gasketed the intake manifold ... tuned and times.
    The car ran better 18 degrees advanced ... at 20 it would hardly =
crank.
    =20
    So I am up to pulling the valve covers and checking rods, valves, =
etc.
    Anyone out there have a solution or idea about this problem?
    Nothing I have tried has worked ....=20
    =20
    Ken Swick
    swickka@pa.net

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:15:36 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Interesting Olds pics...

Received a pic tonight from John... (SMAN)  Apparantly he'd taken it at a BOP
show 2 or 3 years ago... Pretty looking mid 80's Cutlass, Can't see the grill
for a positive year ID...  Noticed some vette wheels in the background,
wonderred if they were on the car (never seen that done...  had me
wonderring...  Then I noticed this bright yellow 67 442 in the background...  I
said "Hey!  That car looks ~awefully~ familiar...  Pulled up some other pics to
verify, and yup...  There it is, the legendary Bob Handren's 442 in the
background...  He was a bit before John's list-time here, but many of us sure
remember his additions to the list...  Not sure what happened to him, but it's
another case of a missing in action, presumably due to getting tired of all the
issues that are still unresolved here (another reason to make a little effort 
to
keep things on topic here...)  Anyway, here it is...

http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/red.jpg

I was a little excited there...  Cool to see a former list member's car show up
in a current listmember's collection...  with neither knowing anything about
it...  Way too cool :)
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 0:33:33 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: choke question

>Ok...  I now understand why thunder runds like crap when she is cold (other
>than big v-8s do that anyway.  The choke is bad.
>
>Problem here.,  where do I find a replacement???
>
>the facts:  67 Toro, 425, Q-Jet.  The choke spring (cant think of a better
>word for it) is the little thing that is mounted to teh intake manifold that
>has a coil spring in it, adn connects to the linkages taht open adn clost
>the butterfly.  the spring is bad.  I cant find on here.
>
>question: do you guys know if there is a similar piece on any other GM car
>that will fit this?  I know that  alot of the motor parts were
>interchangeable, but am not sure what to look for when I am shopping, and
>really cant find it anyway.
>
>so do you guys know if one from another make will fit, or do any of you guys
>have one spare that you would be willing to sell me???  I am desperate as it
>is getting cold here now, and soon I wont be able to get her started.
   

      I believe what you are referring to is a divorced choke that has a rod
connected to the butterfly from a bi-metal coil in a housing that sits in a
pocket in the intake manifold.  It's  kind of a crude arrangement for an
automatic choke by today's standards.  I have a '69 4-4-2 with one and as
long as I let it idle for 2 or 3 minutes after I start it, I can put it into
gear and drive off without feathering the heck out of the gas pedal to keep
it running.  Is the problem that it runs badly after it should be warmed up?
Does it run at high idle OK when you first start it?  The only purpose of
this part is to pull the choke off as it warms up.  I don't know if this
choke control is the same on my car as the '67 Toro but I believe that I
have a spare one around somewhere if you need one. E-mail me privately if
this is what you think will help.

      Glenn          gpc442@buffnet.net
      '69 4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:39:45 -0400
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: choke question

You could install manual choke, if it gets desparate.  I did this to a
junker Nova I used to have- get a $10 knob and cable from Autozone, run it
thru the dash and firewall to the choke lever, and there you go.

I would, of course, never do this to my prized '71 350 convertible.  I've
bought parts at NAPA over the counter for the carb on my '71- they had to
order 'em, but still available.  Happy hunting.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Gage <bladernr@roava.net>
To: Toronado Fans <toro@armchair.mb.ca>
Cc: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:28 PM
Subject: choke question


>Ok...  I now understand why thunder runds like crap when she is cold (other
>than big v-8s do that anyway.  The choke is bad.
>
>Problem here.,  where do I find a replacement???
>
>the facts:  67 Toro, 425, Q-Jet.  The choke spring (cant think of a better
>word for it) is the little thing that is mounted to teh intake manifold
that
>has a coil spring in it, adn connects to the linkages taht open adn clost
>the butterfly.  the spring is bad.  I cant find on here.
>
>question: do you guys know if there is a similar piece on any other GM car
>that will fit this?  I know that  alot of the motor parts were
>interchangeable, but am not sure what to look for when I am shopping, and
>really cant find it anyway.
>
>so do you guys know if one from another make will fit, or do any of you
guys
>have one spare that you would be willing to sell me???  I am desperate as
it
>is getting cold here now, and soon I wont be able to get her started.
>Thanks a lot!!!
>
>Jeff
>><> ><> ><> ><> ><> 67 Toronado  ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>
>
>Jeffrey Lane, EMT-ST                                ICQ#18716911
>                    http://www.roava.net/~bladernr
>    bladernr@roava.net               EMTBoy9@aol.com
>
>Sr. Sergeant, Equipment Officer  | EMT-ST/Driver
>Fort Lewis Rescue Squad, Inc.   | United Ambulance Service
>Salem, Virginia                             | Roanoke, Virginia
>
>"Knowledge is power.  But power corrupts, and corruption is a sin, so if
>you seek knowledge, you will burn in hell. . ."
>
>----------------------------------Carpe
>Noctum------------------------------------
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 01:35:31 EDT
From: Joeytada@aol.com
Subject: Carb rebuild

I'm new to this list so first let me introduce myself. My name is Keith and I
have a 75 Hurst/Olds with a W30.  
  My question is: Is there a carb rebuild kit available for my Rochester 4Bbl?
Can I get it at the local parts store. Thanks guys.

Keith

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:39:31 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 403's kick rear

Ray, you are King Of The Hill.

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:42:34 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 403's kick rear

Oh, I almost forgot.  What was that about that KIA.....HA...HA....Just
remeber tonight, and you will keep changing those water pumps till the day
you die.  Oh, just wanted to ask you one more thing.  What kind of
gears/tranny are you running.  What about Cam.  Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:18:57 -0700
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: Tubular Exhaust Manifolds

Does anyone have a photo of the Tubular Exhaust Manifolds found on some of
our small block motors? What kind of cars did these come on?
 
Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350/TH350/100k and still good)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:21:48 -0400
From: "Michele Brown" <someone@dclink.com>
Subject: wiring

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Hi, I'm new to the list.  My husband and I are rebuilding a 72 Cutlass =
Supreme.  We love this car to death, and have decided to try and get it =
fixed up.  In the 2 years I have been working on it with him I have =
learned that nothing short of a nuke is gonna kill it.  The only problem =
is we are having trouble finding a complete schematic of the electrical =
systems.  We have a Chilton's Cutlass book, but the diagrams in it are =
not complete.  I have spent hours online trying to find anything useful. =
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:50:09 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: RE: value of 66 Delta 88 4 door?

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Jason,
According to the Standard Guide to Cars & Prices, 99 Edition, a 66 Delta =
88 4-dr Sedan has a $350 value in parts car condition, $840 in =
restorable condition, $1400 in good condition,  $2800 in very good =
condition, $4900 in fine condition and $7000 in excellent contion, the =
4-dr HT has the following values respectively, $350, $975, $1600, $3200, =
$5600 and $8000. If you want the defintions of each grade email me =
directly and I will send it to you.=20
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Beastmaster@earthlink.net
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 04:45:22 EDT
From: Pjolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need a cheap car in PA

Ray, I know of a guy in pittsburgh that has an 86 olds cutlass for sale for a
couple hundred bucks. I'll find out how much.

Paul Maiers in Pittsburgh

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:04:05 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Carb rebuild

>   My question is: Is there a carb rebuild kit available for my Rochester 
4Bbl?
> Can I get it at the local parts store. Thanks guys.

Yes and yes.  Get the carb number off the driver's side of the carb
located sideways near the back.  Give that number to the parts people,
and they should be able to hook you up.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:28:49 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: wiring

<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><<<<snip>> 

The only problem is we are having trouble finding a complete schematic
of the electrical systems (for a '72).

<<<<snip>>


Cheli,


I have a '72 Supreme.  You have a couple of options:


1) Get the 1972 Oldsmobile Chassis Service Manual from somebody like:

  

a) Al Sandy  @ 609-858-0248  

b) Bob Johnson @ 800-334-0688 

c) Faxon's @ 800-458-2734  


There are others, look in Hemmings.  I've had good experience with each
of the above.


2) I've scanned the diagram so I could put up a large version on my
garage wall (doing a frame-off).  I can send a Freehand file to you by
e-mail (I'm using a Mac) which you can print using a color printer.  If
you get really desperate I can make a legal size copy for you and mail
it.


e-mail me privately if you need option # 2 (that goes for anybody else
on the list too)


hope this helps,


jp


Jonathan Parke

mailto:jonparke@together.net



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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:39:40 -0400
From: dclover@epix.net
Subject: Re: 4 Sale

Did anyone else check out the photo that goes with the ad??   Very
strange body lines for a 70 Cutlass!

D Jones
70 Cutlass Conv
(I wanted to see what a real 70 Cutlass Conv is suppose to look like)

> 
http://www.traderonline.com/cgi-bin/auto/apps/search/photdisp.html?photo=981002
mew0123&phoneId=6192582772&ad=43919360&status=no&imgsite=&page=search
> 
> 1970 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE - 2nd
>  owner, original, runs great, auto, air conditioning, 112000
>  MILES, serious buyers, offers above $3500 only, BY appt
>  only, call (619)258 - 2772 from 10 - 5, (619)465 - 1524
>  from 6 - 9
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:42:48 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Shop Manuals For Sale

FOR SALE---- Olds Chassis Service Manuals for:
		
		1986 Cutlass, Cutlass Cruiser & Custom Cruiser
		1987 Cutlass, Cutlass Cruiser & Custom Cruiser

		$45.00 each, I'll pay shipping.

Email me at wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us if interested

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:39:47 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: Still Missing...

I once had a car that after a highway skirmish, developed a miss. Turned
out to be a collapsed lifter. 

My .02

Jim...

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:37:38 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 403's kick rear

Holley produces a high flow mechanical fuel pump. Jegs- Summit sell
them....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 403's kick rear
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:44 AM
> 
> I just need to boast for a moment.  I just race a 96ish Vette on the PA
> turnpike, starting from about 75mph, and he could not keep up.  Ha ha
> Vette owner, you just got smoked by a "granny" car in a top speed
> challenge!  403's kick a$$!!  Oh, I really love my car tonight...
> 
> And my question, pinging at high rpms is quite possibly caused by an
> inferior fuel pump that can't keep up and causes a lean condition, yes? 
> Anyone know of a good high quality high flow mechanical fuel pump for an
> Olds?  Does Carter make them?  Thanks!  I love Oldsmobile!
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass
> Bucks County, PA
> 
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