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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 2 1998       Volume 01 : Number 1525



Re: Ignition kill switch
RE: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!
NAL, Web updates
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
Re: Olds 403
Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!
Re: Where to hide an alarm switch (Was Re: Alarms)
68 442 Convertible
Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!
Re: Tweeter Dome Location??
Re: Alarms
Fwd: Tweeter Dome Location??
OLdsmobile book
RE: NAL, Web updates
Re: Aftermarket Radio for 72
Re: Alarms
Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!
Water Pump Fail
Junk yard questions-LONG but hopefully worthwhile
RE: Where to hide an alarm switch (Was Re: Alarms)
Rain Channel  G-Body.
RE: Ignition kill switch
Re: Tweeter Dome Location??
RE: Ignition kill switch
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
Re: My Favorite Car Alarms(That Don't Exist)
Re: Ignition kill switch
Fuel Pump
Re: Everyone lists their cars
New web page idea...
Re: More Edelbrock RPM 403
Re: 72 cutlass 's' exhaust system
Re: Ignition kill switch
Re: Pinging
Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.
Re: Everyone stop listing cars
Re: NY Member Locations.
Re: NY Member Locations.
RE: Exhaust FYI
knocking tranny
Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter
Re: Tranny?? Oh No!!
Re: Ignition kill switch

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:22:57 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

> Greg Rollin wrote:
> >
> > All this talk of ignition kill switches raises
> > one question in my mind.  Installing a on/off
> > switch in the positive coil wire seems moot.
> > Because when the car is hot wired, this
> > switch will have in effect been bypassed.
> > Thereby serving no purpose.

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> Of course, if you've upgraded to an HEI, all you need to do is put the
> kill switch in line on the 12V lead to the distributor.

Actually, when hot wiring an HEI,  a jumper wire is connected from
the battery to the battery connection on the HEI.  The thief is still
bypassing any kind of ignition kill switch.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:36:07 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!

<>I just checked at www.g-body.org <http://www.g-body.org>  <>and my Olds is
the G-body of the week.  Cool...

	Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
	Columbus, MS         1987 442

<G>
   Congrats Doug. Nice ride.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: NAL, Web updates

Mike Rothe wrote:
Took someone's advice, can't remember who, about the National Auto
Lines radiator for the 85 442.  $104 plus shipping.  Modine, lifetime
warranty.  EXCELLENT 3-core.  Looks like original.  Doesn't have that
"heater hose" connection near the neck like some of the parts store
jobs have, and comes with a new drain petcock to boot!  Whoever it
was, THANKS for the tip!

**********
     Mike, that was me! Glad to help. BTW they shipped fast also. Soon
I'm getting shocks and outer tie rod ends for my 86. They are beating
the local stores on quite a few (not all) parts even considering the
shipping.

     Folks, check out my web site if you haven't yet. I have a new pix
of the red 70 W30 droptop. Just click on the little picture and the
new one will come up. It's digital image that's been edited to remove
the background. (Thanks Judy) There's also some new links to 2 WAV
file pages if you're into that.

     The garage is finally closed in. The doors are installed! No
electricity yet...but indoor Oldsmowrenching is now possible :)


==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our cars, trucks and a whole lot more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:43:54 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/1/98 4:41:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ithefunki@cchat.com writes:
>
> <<
>  > I've always liked a push-on,push-off switch built into the cigarette
>  > lighter (though you then need another power source for the radar
>  > detector/cell phone/video game/etc).
>
>  All those are hard wired, cause I need the Cigarette Lighter for
>  lighting Cigarettes! >>
>
> Smoking in the car !!!  shame shame..nothing like yellow windows

Yellow windows?  Huh, I ride with my windows down so the car doesn't get
yellow windows.....
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:52:08 -0400
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 403

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>
> performer rpm cam will give the idle a big lope in a 403.  i have one in my
> 403 and it is monstrous all through the power band.
>
> mikeytvb@aol.com

 I've got a 403 I'll be rebuilding soon, just noticed you run the
Performer RPM cam. I was thinking of running the same. What rpm's are
it's power band? Also what about power brakes? Any prob with them while
using this cam?
  Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:52:04 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!

S-MAN wrote:

> > More info as it becomes avail....

> ---------Me and Tupper are already there...and Jason A...We can out
> number the others though....:>

In that case, I wanted to have a "slicker" page than the rest of 'em
too...

What I wanted to do was list the differences styling wise between all
the 78-88 models..

IE:

78 Tail lights had Rocket Emblems
79 Tail lights didn't
80 Had 4 Headlights...
83 Black w/ Silver Trim
84 Silver w/black Trim
85 saw the intro of the Third Brake Light
86 had straight line grille
87 Saw the Euro-Look
88 Only year for a Cutlass Supreme Classic / Aero Hurst/442/GT

ALL documented with pictures!  (I'm sure we got at least one of every
78-88 represented here by someone, or someone that can grab pics of the
mentioned items.

The what panels or extras were in the the Hursts/442s/GTs

Hoping to have a more IN-DEPTH page than the SS guys...  After All, we
are the Classiest of the crowd!
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:53:55 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Where to hide an alarm switch (Was Re: Alarms)

Try this one.
It's good for you frugal people, and you won't see a switch anywhere.

to the parts store and purchase a 30/40A foglamp relay
Wire it like this...
Pole 86 constant hot
Pole 85 ground
Cut the starter wire, one side to Pole 30 the other to Pole 87
now on the hot lead going to Pole 86 splice in a momentary
switch. Mount it behind the parking brake.Set it up like the
brake light switch.
Pole 87 is left unused
When the parking brake is off the relay in energized athe car to start.
When the parking brake is engaged the relay is no longer active, and
the car cannot be started.

                      85     87    87a
                       ]              /
                      86        30

above is a non energized relay (normally open)parking brake on.

                      85     87     87a
                       ]          \
                      86          30

This an energized relay ( closed position)parking brake off.
My $.02 on the toggle switch thread.

Kevin White

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:57:05 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: 68 442 Convertible

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Found this in the recycler, called the guy and talked to him a little. =
Turns out he is 3rd owner, his father was second, their friend was =
first. According to him the car was repainted red, it is all original =
and has always been garaged. It needs new rubber and stuff but he says =
the body is real straight and all the parts is there.

"
                     68 Oldsmobile 442 convertible, muscle car, 400 =
Turbo, all
                     original, auto, good condition, red /blk, white =
top, runs perfect,
                     $4500 or best offer
                    (805) 
285-8010						"

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!

- ---Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com> wrote:
>
 What I wanted to do was list the differences styling wise between all
> the 78-88 models..
>
> IE:
>
> 78 Tail lights had Rocket Emblems
> 79 Tail lights didn't
> 80 Had 4 Headlights...
> 83 Black w/ Silver Trim
> 84 Silver w/black Trim
> 85 saw the intro of the Third Brake Light
> 86 had straight line grille
> 87 Saw the Euro-Look
> 88 Only year for a Cutlass Supreme Classic / Aero Hurst/442/GT
>
> ALL documented with pictures!  (I'm sure we got at least one of every
> 78-88 represented here by someone, or someone that can grab pics of
the
> mentioned items.

Jerry,

- ----no offense meant....if I can help you on any of it holler at me....
==
John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:00:23 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tweeter Dome Location??

Kudos to you sir, for understanding acoustics.

Kevin White

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:11:18 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alarms

Peter,

They'd have a hard time with mine.
Line lock installed on both front and rear.
If they choose to spend the extra time,
to get my car on a flatbed, then they
must want it more than I. They can
have it.

Kevin White

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:21:12 EDT
From: KWhite5590@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Tweeter Dome Location??

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Sorry i didn't state who the kudos were for.
Kudos to GT5726.

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Kudos to you sir, for understanding acoustics.

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:28:16 EDT
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: OLdsmobile book

        I have neat book about Oldsmobiles. It is called " The Cars of
Oldsmobile". it has pictures or infomation on just about every Oldsmobile from
1897 to 1981. The pictures are in black and white, so i am not sure how well
they will show up on a scanned picture. The author of the book is Dennis
Casteele. This book is coool to see the options and body styles. Just thought
i'd share the info with other " rocket" drivers..........SCOTT

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:30:50 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: NAL, Web updates

On Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:41 PM, John Pajak [SMTP:jspajak@yahoo.com]
wrote: > >      The garage is finally closed in. The doors are installed! No >
electricity yet...but indoor Oldsmowrenching is now possible :)

Congrats!  Just in time for winter!  At least it feels like winter down here in
the mountains of VA.  Brrr...

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:35:47 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket Radio for 72

The Kenwood is for sale through a company called Custom Autosound Mfg.. I
spoke with Crutchfield and they sated that they have a Kenwood unit
#KRC-3006 that fits the Olds Toronado dash, 98 and 88 dashes. Crutchfield
claimed that this is a direct NO HACK fit. The KRC-3006 has all the
features wanted plus controls a 10 dic CD changer. The price for the radio
is $179.00 and the CD changer is $279.00 for a total of $460.00.

The Custom Autosound unit is $289.00 plus the CD Chnager is $260.00 for a
total of $550.00. The only thing going for the Cutom Autosound Radio is
that it LOOKS more original because of the CHROME face while the Kenwood
unit is black plastic.

There is a $90.00 difference between the Custom Autosound Unit and the
Kenwood.

2 questions:

1. IS the Toronado/88/98 cars the same as the Olds radio location/setup??
2. Kenwood is a good company, correct? Would it be better to go with
Kenwood (less $$$), only thing going against it is that it doesn't look
like chrome(original looking)?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Aftermarket Radio for 72
> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:30 PM
>
> I would go with the Kenwood. Where'd you find it for that price?

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:44:12 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Alarms

I've seen cars pulled onto a flatbed with all 4 tires locked and the winch
just pulls the car forward with very little effort and onto the bed. The
whole process takes about 2-3 minutes. Depending on where and how the car
is parked. If the car is parked between 2 cars, now that is different
story.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: KWhite5590@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Alarms
> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:11 PM
>
> Peter,
>
> They'd have a hard time with mine.
> Line lock installed on both front and rear.
> If they choose to spend the extra time,
> to get my car on a flatbed, then they
> must want it more than I. They can
> have it.
>
> Kevin White

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:59:16 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: G-Body.Org now has a Representative for Cutlass!!!

S-MAN wrote:

> ----no offense meant....if I can help you on any of it holler at me....

As it becomes more finalized, I'll gear up..

The other pages are done by one person a piece...  I'd rather have a
group effort...  Combined knowledge is DEADLY.
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IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:31:10 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Water Pump Fail

Well, I think that I had my first water pump fail.  My '81 Regency w/307 has
served me so well since I got it.  ABSOLUTELY 0 maintenance cost (1
oil+filter change, synthetic, on propane so it has aprox. 10,000 miles on
the oil.  Only had to add 1/2 quart in 10,000 miles on a 241,000km engine.
Okay, so maybe one oil change).  I have done aprox. 20,000miles since I got
the car.  The other day, when I pulled in to the parking lot and shut it
down, I heard a click-click-click noise as the motor stoped.  Poped the hood
and WOW, 'freez pouring out of what looked like 1/2 of the water pump and
lower rad hose.  Quickly I did what I came to do at the mall, fired it up
and drove home. (was raining and night).  The next day, I went to look at
the car, opened the rad cap, full, looked into the overflow tank, ok.  So I
started it, everything okay.  Drove for 3 days, all fine and today, the same
thing happened.  It is okay now, but obviously something is wrong.  I was
under the impression that when the pump goes, it just goes.  Both my dad and
my uncle had this happen to them and they say, the pump blew, constant
spilling, eventual TEMP light warning.  I get no light warning no TEMP or
LOW COOLANT.  Propane burns lots cooler so it would take a lot to get this
motor really hot.  Anyway, do you guys think it is the pump or something
else causing pressure and coolant loss.  It looks like it could be coming
out of the lower rad hose where it plugs into the pump.  I tightened it, but
okay for a while, them boom, then okay again.  I am just hoping that it
could be something else so that I don't have to pull the fan, belts, AC
compressor brackets, vacuum can, ps pump, etc.  Thanks.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:40:51 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Junk yard questions-LONG but hopefully worthwhile

Okay gang, I finally took a day and did some parts hunting.  Here's what
I've found I'm wondering how much is reasonable to pay for some of this
stuff.

First I found part of a 69 Cutlass S the had all the dash pods in it.
The car had the gas gauge pod, speedo and a clock (that I'm sure won't
work until it gets repaired)  with good glass/plastic facings.  Mine are
broken (refer back to the story of the heisted 69 last year).  The car
is a floor shift automatic and mine is a 4 speed.  Are there any
problems there?  As an aside, I think the center console was still in
the car.  Unfortunately the doors were gone as I need them also.

This same yard had a couple of 70-72 S cars that had some decent rear
bumper blanks.  Also some of the glass was available and some interior
parts.  One of the rear bumpers had the rubber bumperettes (or whatever
they are called) that looked to be in decent shape.  I will have to
admit that I didn't have time to really make a list of what was there so
I am going on memory.  I do seem to remember a 71-72 hood (2 door) that
was virtually rustfree.  It would need stripped however.  Lot of
miscellaneous chrome strips, etc that looked pretty good.  This guy also
had a 68 Cutlass that had several parts still on it.

Went to another yard yesterday that had a 69 S convertible.
Unfortunately the past two years have worked it over pretty good.  The
doors I wanted weren't in too good a shape, as a matter of fact the
driver's side had a spot rusted through on it.  I would say the other
side did too but I couldn't get close enough to check.  That was the
reason I didn't buy the car two years ago as it was wet down there the
first time I went and they would have to use the forklift to get it
out.  Second time I headed down there I wrecked my towncar which kinda
short circuited that run.  Third time the timing just wasn't right.
This time the timing was right but a lot of the little parts I wanted
were gone and the doors were toast.  HOWEVER, if anyone needs a top
assembly for a 69 S conv that was all there.

Anyone that would like for me to check anything particular for them,
email me privately.  I will be going back down that way again in a week
or so.  A couple of other prospects are going to be visited soon, so
I'll let y'all know what (if anything) I find worth talking about.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:38:07 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Where to hide an alarm switch (Was Re: Alarms)

<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: KWhite5590@aol.com
<>Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 10:54 PM
<>Subject: Re: Where to hide an alarm switch (Was Re: Alarms)<>
<>Try this one.
<>It's good for you frugal people, and you won't see a switch anywhere.
<>
<>to the parts store and purchase a 30/40A foglamp relay
<>Wire it like this...
<>Pole 86 constant hot
<>Pole 85 ground
<>Cut the starter wire, one side to Pole 30 the other to Pole 87
<>now on the hot lead going to Pole 86 splice in a momentary
<>switch. Mount it behind the parking brake.Set it up like the
<>brake light switch.
<>Pole 87 is left unused
<>When the parking brake is off the relay in energized athe car to start.
<>When the parking brake is engaged the relay is no longer active, and
<>the car cannot be started.


Unfortunately, in the North East, emergency cables can freeze durring the
ice box season.

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:57:14 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Rain Channel  G-Body.

Anyone have a good set of rain channels for the 86 Cuttlass roof. How about
a set of blue buckets?

Gary Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com

'86 Custom Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:27:42 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: RE: Ignition kill switch

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My old neighbor used a magnet switch hidden in the dash. Put one pole of =
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opend, turn the magnet so the opposite pole was over the switch and it =
closed, He kept the magnet on his key chain, even if you had a magnet =
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magnet to open and close the switch. Hood locks kept the hood closed =
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:50:01 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Tweeter Dome Location??

Probably the most technically advanced answer, so I'll reply to this one...

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
>
> Do not bounce the tweeters sound off the windsheild...

Very good advise.  Phase problems arise, also, although much harder to detect
than in larger woofers...  My windshield suggestion was for the pillars, and
aimed roughly towards each other, and slightly foreward, creating a focal point
near the center of the dash.  Again, personal preference here.

> same time, the farther away they are from your ears. This helps to create
> depth and width of the soundstage. I mean think about it, you wouldn't

Which is an excellent point.  However, height is often sacrificed with
placement.  Not ~severely~ mind you, but every system I've heard with kick 
panel
tweets has had a low sound stage.  Good depth, clarity, and spatial imaging, 
but
lower than I'd like it.  Sound quality judges will look for a sound stage that
is high and wide.  There are several processors available to correct depth and
staging issues, but $$$'s involved, and we're already talking strong 
competition
issues anyway.  One thing to consider with the kick panel tweets would be a 
high
mounted center channel (w/processor)  Center of dash, back of mirror, etc.
Bring that sound plane back up a bit, and focus the vocals in the center.  I 
run
the Audio Control ESP-3, which consists of a spatial restoration circuit and a
center channel processor.  Technically, it compares the left and right 
channels,
accentuates the sounds that are different (i.e., sounds that ~only~ the left
side is scheduled to produce, etc.) and sends them out to the front amplifier.
It takes out the signals that are common (mono, essentially, usually the 
vocals,
and some other signals...)  These signals are redirected to the center channel
amp.  Audio Control offers the ESP-2, which is the same thing, but without the
center channel processing.  OK, so what does it mean?  Well, the spatial
restoration circuitry is designed to raise and widen the sound stage.  And it
works.  Very well.  I couldn't live without it (same with the Epicenter...
'nother story ;)  I've run the ESP2 on two door speakers, front bottom corner 
of
doors, and nothing else.  Only speakers in the car.  Turn up the ESP2
(sensitivity, dash mounted controls) and people asked what kind of dash 
speakers
those were.  I'd pull the dash grilles off, and expose the empty holes...  Then
I'd sell 'em an ESP-2 while they're jaw is was the floor.

The point of this whole story is to emphasize that the car is a lousy
environment for audio performance.  There's nothing around that.  Unless you 
sit
in the middle...  There are products available for the pickiest of customers,
however, so anything goes.  And personal preference is the key.  (WHO's gonna 
be
listenning to it the most???  Yeah, same one paying for it.  Do what will make
~you~ happy, don't go with something just cuz the judges like it.  Unless the
competition world is for you.  We've given you strategies of the
best-of-the-best.  I presume that's really much more than you're looking for.
What ~usually~ becomes the deciding factor is the vehicle.  Example being the
Teaser.  Had to put tweets in it, wasn't sure where I wanted 'em.  Being a 
T-top
car, I wasn't going to hack up the pillars.  Since there was a cigarette burn 
in
the door panel, and at a prime location anyway, I cut out the burn, and put the
tweet's there!  And they sound great.  Need better midbass drivers, but the
sound quality's pretty clean, and the imaging is stable.  That's all I need.
(Oh, and the bass pounds...  Love watching that hood scoop bounce!!!!!  :)
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:49:43 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: RE: Ignition kill switch

At 10:27 PM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> My old neighbor used a magnet switch hidden in the dash. Put one pole of the
> magnet on the dash over where he mounted the switch and the switch opend,
> turn the magnet so the opposite pole was over the switch and it closed, He
> kept the magnet on his key chain, even if you had a magnet you had to know
> the exact spot and he said you needed the right strength magnet to open and
> close the switch. Hood locks kept the hood closed circumventing the rewiring
> problem.


You know, a good anti-theft device is a manual choke.
I found this out ten minutes after loaning my keys the a coworker
so he could move my car so the pavers could do the lot. He comes
back all nervous because my car wouldn't start.
to his surprise, it fired right up when I did it.   :)

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:09:09 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

> One question, do you mount the sub speakers facing toward the rear seat, or
> toward the taillights?

Really depends on the style of bass you want, and how the system reacts to your
particular car.  You'll get the cleanest, smoothest sound with the bass facing
forward, and the excess padding removed from the seats.  But by turning it
around, you'll "bass-load" the car, and create a boost in certain (welcomed)
frequencies.  The Rockit has its 15"s facing forward, but they're free airs,
too.  They're clean.  The Teaser has two 10"s, facing ~down~ in the trunk.  
They
@#$%ing pound!!! I'm using the trunk floor and the spare tire well for bass
loading and reinforcement.  Looks clean and pounds.  Not much for a smooth bass
response, but it still does quite well.

> My main concern on the subs and amps, will there be enough power?
That really depends on what you end up running with.  Many came with a 60A
(roughly) alternator, and that's borderline, but usually sufficient.  It all
boils down to ~how~ you listen to your music.  My bass is usually pounding, and
I'm usually pulling a lot of current.  I've got a stock 78Amp alternator and
I've only toasted one of 'em.

Will I have
> to get more than one battery or better alternator?  If so, no subs for me...

Not necessarily.  As long as they're already in good condition.  Make sure that
battery stays ~clean~.


> Which makes me think of something!  Me thinks the Oldsmagnet needs a Delta!

Yeah, I always need more cars...  Got one Delta, but there ain't much left of
it...  Looked at one last fall, but they wanted ~way~ too much for it.....

> Heck yeah!  I agree on the George Strait part.  In fact, I'm getting his
'Strait Out of the Box' > box set in a few weeks from BMG... > Get it when it
goes on sale.  (Don't spend $40 on it!)  Great set, though.  Just take those 4
discs, and his two newer ones, and burn ~one~ good CD from all of 'em!!!

>  No offense, just have to notify everyone of ~my~ music.  Everyone will be
> happy to know it's not "in your face rap crap" (please, no flames)  100% pure
> LedZep fan here along with some Ozzy, GnR, etc...

My music changes ~often~!!!  From Puff Daddy, Mariah, George Strait, AC/DC,
Ozzy, Whitesnake, Dan Seals, Bread, Air Supply, Metallica...  You get the
picture...  No classical or opera!  :)

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:11:46 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: My Favorite Car Alarms(That Don't Exist)

> I vote for the James Brown yell or Sam Kinison scream car alarm.
>
> OH OH OH OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also heard of the Tanya Harding alarm...  When hit, it'd scream out "Why Me, 
Why
ME!??!?"  :)

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:21:54 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

> Actually, when hot wiring an HEI,  a jumper wire is connected from
> the battery to the battery connection on the HEI.  The thief is still
> bypassing any kind of ignition kill switch

Unless the kill switch happens to be a ground in the tach lead...  Most thieves
wouldn't think that advanced, likely.

My thoughts?  Dome light circuit (door pin switch) in parallel with interier
intrusion sensor, linked to the rear defroster timer.  When the door opens, or
if someone enters through a broken window, the 10 min timer will begin,
activating a relay to ground out the tach lead.  Disconnect the light from the
defrost switch (so the thief isn't drawn towards it) When you get in, the
lockout activates.  Reach over, and hit the "off" switch, and drive away.  What
if you already have the rear defrost?  Uh oh, you say?  The G body Cutlass came
with the defrost switch in two locations.  One on lower dash, left of column.
Cruise switch there on some.  Similar hole on right side of column for pass
mirror control.  Many had the defrost switch between the vents on the dash
center.  What theif will instantly notice ~two~ defrost switches?  Hee hee...
Just need to add all the timer stuff with it, too...  Or a latching relay, to
eliminate the time limit.


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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:30:58 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Fuel Pump

I was always under the impression that a stock (new) fuel pump will do the
job in my 455.  I never rev it past 4500 RPM with the current cam in it.
The car runs a Q-jet so as far as I know, it does not hold as much fuel as a
holly or edelbrock.  I am just wondering, would a aftermarket ( and which)
fuel pump feed the big 462 inches better then stock, and how much, or would
getting a aftermarket pump be a waste of money.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:55:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

Well folks, you asked for it:

65 Delta 88 2dr HT
66 Toronado Deluxe
68 Fairlane 500 station wagon
69 Cutlass S 2dr HT
70 442 W30 convertible
70 Cutlass S 2dr HT W31
70 Cutlass S 2dr HT
70 Cutlass S 2dr Sedan
71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr HT
72 442 W30 convertible
72 Cutlass Supreme convertible
72 Delta 88 Royale convertible
75 F100 pickup
82 Suburban
86 Cutlass Supreme 2dr ht

+5 parts cars


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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: New web page idea...

Hi gang,
          Ok first, let's ~not ~ clog the list with this one.Any
replys , PLEASE send direct to me.
          I had an idea about a new page.....since we now know what
everyone drives...how about a pic of members to associate these
personallities & cars with? I know we can't post those of you who are
wanted in 3 states for buying too many Olds'...but anyone else is
welcome.:)If interested please contact me direct...if not fine but no
flames please...some may think it stupid, but if you don't ask...you
don't know.
           Just a thought,
                        Sman



==
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TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:30:34 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: More Edelbrock RPM 403

neednthe complete specs that is to say the intake open the intake close exh
open and exh close...the duration is at .050 I think so the other specs need
to come from there as well.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: crl6420@online.no <crl6420@online.no>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: More Edelbrock RPM 403


>Found some on the FAQ list .
>403 1977-79 Bore & stroke: 4.351 / 3.385
>
>
>
>>Sorry, i do not have any specs. for bore and stroke.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody tried the complete package on a 403 ?
>>>>and how will it do on the dyno. ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 29 Sep 98, you wrote
>>>>>I'm not gonna give you any heat, to the
>>contrary...I
>>>
>>>>>AGREE!!!! I have the complete RPM package on
>>my
>>>
>>>>>65 and it "dead" below about 3500 rpm.It screams
>>
>>>>>above that, but you just dont get above 3500rpm
>>>>>very often when cruising to work and back. My
>>car
>>>
>>>>>has really takin' a hit in it's low end torque, now
>>>Im
>>>>>looking at building a TH-350 with a 3000+ stall
>>just
>>>
>>>>>to get outta the hole (accelerate from dead stop).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:31:54 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass 's' exhaust system

forget the flowmasters they are junk try dynomax race magnums they sound a
lot better and work better too......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: 72 cutlass 's' exhaust system


>> What would be a good exhaust system for my 72' cutlass 's' . Right now it
has
>> single exhaust and I want it to sound really toned and mean.  I only have
a
>> 350 in it, which I am looking to rebuild.  Thank you
>
>I suggest if you want MEAN sounding exhaust, and don't care if the cops
>follow you, then without a doubt, use Flowmaster's.  Otherwise, try
>Dynomax turbo mufflers for a mellow rumble, that won't shake the
>neighbor's windows like Flowmaster's! (Real story.  Happened to me.)
>
>Of course, you'll need a dual exhaust system.  You can either have one
>made up by a local shop, or go to a parts store, like a Parts PLUS if
>you have one available, and they can hook you right up.  But unless you
>have a cutout bumper, get the tailpipes that turn down in the back,
>otherwise...bump!
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:39:07 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

well the hood locks are good but the doors were locked too right almost no
one hotwires cars anymore unless they cant break the column the in dash
switch is too easy to deal with the club you say?
hit it with a hammer in the right spot it comes right off bars on the
windows ? looks silly. armored truck? then whats the point of having the
car? how about the tracking device? then it can be tracked by a satellite.
giving the vehicles position down to a couple of feet.  also a battery kill
switch will stump a lot of thieves as well as coworkers....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch


>> Actually, when hot wiring an HEI,  a jumper wire is connected from
>> the battery to the battery connection on the HEI.  The thief is still
>> bypassing any kind of ignition kill switch
>
>Unless the kill switch happens to be a ground in the tach lead...  Most
thieves
>wouldn't think that advanced, likely.
>
>My thoughts?  Dome light circuit (door pin switch) in parallel with
interier
>intrusion sensor, linked to the rear defroster timer.  When the door opens,
or
>if someone enters through a broken window, the 10 min timer will begin,
>activating a relay to ground out the tach lead.  Disconnect the light from
the
>defrost switch (so the thief isn't drawn towards it) When you get in, the
>lockout activates.  Reach over, and hit the "off" switch, and drive away.
What
>if you already have the rear defrost?  Uh oh, you say?  The G body Cutlass
came
>with the defrost switch in two locations.  One on lower dash, left of
column.
>Cruise switch there on some.  Similar hole on right side of column for pass
>mirror control.  Many had the defrost switch between the vents on the dash
>center.  What theif will instantly notice ~two~ defrost switches?  Hee
hee...
>Just need to add all the timer stuff with it, too...  Or a latching relay,
to
>eliminate the time limit.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:46:23 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Pinging

trust me pinging is simply less severe detonation no animals here both are
destructive similar effect to hitting the top of the piston with a hammer
could look it up and do a couple of pages on the subject if you want but
folks on the list would whine, delete it then complain about the way I write
in that order then ask for more info......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pinging


>>Preignition and Detonation are two different animals, no matter what sound
>>they might make. Caused by similar conditions, (sometimes), one is an
>>annoyance, the other is serious. Have to stick by my guns on this one.
>
>I read the same thing somewhere. Regardless, ~any~ engine knock is
>potentially destructive to your motor.
>
>A couple of worthwhile web pages on the subject:
>
>http://www.felpro.com/Aftermarket/pro/seal/seal-1196-94.htm
>
>http://www.zhome.com/ZCMnL/PICS/detonation/detonation.html
>
>
>drc
>
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:50:39 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.

the address is 6720 richmond kansas city missouri 64133
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.


>---Kerry,
>     When you get the first batch ready send me one please....in the
>mean time, send me your address so I can send you some money....also
>let me know for sure how much....
>              Thanks,
>                    John (Sman)
>
>
>
>
>---Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com> wrote:
>>
>> let me know privately how many of you want a copy and then I will
>run the
>> copies they will be labled and on a standard vhs  ntsc format tape
>> sorry cant do PAL anymore tapes should run about 3-4 dollars edited no
>> commercial interuptions should be about 20 minutes the show with
>commercials
>> was only 30 minutes ............the cost includes shipping....kk
>>
>>
>
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:34:09 -0400
From: Callaway <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: Everyone stop listing cars

MFATZII@aol.com wrote:
>
> Please, please, oh GOD please stop the madness........:)

Sorry to do this, but I just have to put in my two cents (well, actually
my two cars) since I haven't been on in a while.

Here they are, ya ready?

1987 Cutlass Supreme
1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic

I'm sorry, just had to do it and by they way, some of you really do have
a lot of cars. Whew!

Jimmy
Queens, N.Y.

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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 05:46:39 -0400
From: Callaway <CaIlaway@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: NY Member Locations.

Queens, N.Y. here. 5 minutes away from Nassau County.

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:32:53 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: NY Member Locations.

Queens, too.
10 minutes from Nassau

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:07:09 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Exhaust FYI

<Snip>

By the way,
it's a 2.25" system.  As with any split system, you would be reducing
backpressure considerably by this method, thereby freeing up a couple of
horsepower for sure.

<G>

When I installed a dual setup, (headers, cats, turbo mufflers, front of rear
tire exhaust exit), I immediately noticed the stock 307, (86 Cutlass,
200-4R), became more of a dog. In fact, It flows to well. I'm showing no
smoke (any kind, any throttle location), except that after about 20 + miles
I am showing a mild layer of black soot. rearward of the side exhaust. I had
thought the new duels would have the opposite effect. Freer exhaust on a
system basically unchanged other than that, would lean out the system with
more air flow ability. Stock computer, cam, carb, smog (O2 sender,
functioning air pump even to both cats). Don't believe the Q-Jet has ever
been modified to access adjustments. Stock HEI, 8.8 wires, proper (stock)
gapped plugs. Any advice on adjusting the system to clear this up?

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:34:44 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: knocking tranny

When ever I shift into drive (D), I get a loud knock. Only when shifted into
the drive gear. I don't understand why.

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:10:40 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Alarms/coffin nail lighter

> All those are hard wired, cause I need the Cigarette Lighter for
> lighting Cigarettes! >>
>
>
>
>Smoking in the car !!!  shame shame..nothing like yellow windows
>
I hope that's not an anti-smoking statement.  I smoke to deal with the
stress caused by the rise in price of cigarettes.!!  But, I DO NOT smoke
in the Rocket!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:14:11 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Tranny?? Oh No!!

A similar experience:

My car did the same thing, and I noticed it was about four pints low on
fluid suddenly because the downshift cable broke off at the trans and
would leak downhill and during negative acceleration.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:02:48 EDT CPEARLPARK@aol.com writes:
>'Had a strange event. It's happened twice so far (in about 600 miles
>and a
>month of occasional driving), both times after turning onto a highway
>and
>increasing speed. Both times on short trips. 'Seems to move to
>neutral, as I
>can hear the engine revving (smooth as silk), but no speed increase.
>Problem
>goes away fairly quickly with no bucks or noises.  On a recent 300
>mile ride,
>it didn't happen at all.  Any clues or shared experiences??  Also, a
>mechanic
>told me that the car would start easier (a little rough when cold) if
>it's in
>neutral rather than park. HUH?
>
>Scott
>71 4-4-2 Conv.
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:08:59 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Ignition kill switch

Yes, but people don't hotwire cars to steal them.  They bust open the
steering column and duplicate the action of turning the ignition
switch...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA
- -
On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:10:26 -0700 Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
writes:
>All this talk of ignition kill switches raises
>one question in my mind.  Installing a on/off
>switch in the positive coil wire seems moot.
>Because when the car is hot wired, this
>switch will have in effect been bypassed.
>Thereby serving no purpose.
>
>
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>
>

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