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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 29 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1516



Olds rear ends
Re: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....
Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!
Re: 4 speed tunnel
RE: W-35 : Yes or No
RE: Everyone lists their cars
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: seat belts
Re: W-35 : Yes or No
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: Octane requirements
Re: installing rear main seal
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Hey Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: 4 speed tunnel
Re: Hail Storm
Re: Olds rear ends
Re: installing rear main seal
Power Seat Cable Drive H*lp, please
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: He has the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!
RE: Everyone lists their cars
Car Alarms
79cc heads, What to do?
Date:	Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:45:05 -0500
list
Car Alarms
RE: Octane requirements
Re: 79cc heads, What to do?
C.Ruper are you here ???
Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations
Re: 79cc heads, What to do?
Re: Edelbrock RPM
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Edelbrock RPM
Re: 79cc heads, What to do?
Re: 79cc heads, What to do?
Re: 4 speed tunnel
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Octane requirements
70 Speaker Question
ignition advance: more info out there?
Date:	Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:49:41 -0500
Re: Octane requirements
Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets
Re: Olds rear ends
OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)
Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets
messages: non Olds
Re: 70 Speaker Question
Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets
re:G body ~true duals~ -Reply
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Strange 455 identification numbers
Re: Everyone lists their cars
Re: List Cars
Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity
Re: G body ~true duals~
Re: pondering the ignition advance.
Re: Omega Help
Olds Content - Define
Grrrrrrrrr.................
Re: pondering the ignition advance.
Re: Re-post....Web page idea....Lets get behind this

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:10:01 -0500
From: Rick Peatman <rpeatman@dwave.net>
Subject: Olds rear ends

Hi all .
I am trying to track down a "new" rear end for my SS Monte Carlo.  Can
anyone tell me if the  complete rear from all 80's  Cutlasses are direct
boltins?  Do I have a chance of finding a 3.42 or higher gear set in a
Cutlass?  There are several Cutlasses in the j-yard near me but I dont't
know what is in them - time to pull the RPO book.

Being unable to find a GN or T-Type 8.5 inch, can anyone recommend a
specific setup?

I Appreciate any help.
Rick Peatman
87 Monte SS (sick)

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:19:36 -0500
From: Rick Peatman <rpeatman@dwave.net>
Subject: Re: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....

A friend from the Monte Carlo list just located a couple of sets - he
actually bought the 3 speed set but the guy still has a 4 speed set of
lightening rods.  Go to www.g-body.org and send mail to the webmaster-
austin schroegger.  I believe he can give you info on how to contact the
owner, in Canada.

Rick Peatman
87 Mone SS




Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> in Fairfield CA there is a shop called Nor-Cal automotive they have a set
> for about 250.00 I think they are listed in the book so you could give them
> a call if your interested.......kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JJP442@aol.com <JJP442@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: GN Guy, wanting OLDS PARTS for a Bu-ick....
>
> >GN guy,
> >Good luck finding Lightning Rods. I've got an extra set that I won't part
> >with. I can't even put a price on them. Was thinking of putting them in my
> 87
> >442. If I were to sell It definitly would go to the highest bidder.
> >Good luck
> >John-Queens N.Y.
> >JJP442@aol.com
> >1983 H/O
> >1987 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:02:55 EDT
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!

In a message dated 9/28/98 5:32:43 PM EST, supercars@transport.com writes:

<<
 > I just recently installed these things into my '65....Edelbrock Performer
RPM
 > intake and Cam/Lifter kit, Edelbrock Performer Carburetor, Mallory Unilite
 > Distributor, MSD Blaster2 coil, Accel 8.8 wires, new AC 46s plugs(gapped at
 > .35...I think), I still have the original "Jet-Away" with it's "infamous"
 > converter, and the rear gears are supposed to be 3.23:1. My 60' time was
 <snip>
 > I NEVER had to change out of 1st gear...LOL...could it be
 > that rear gears were changed during it's lifetime? My cruise speed at 70mph
is
 > 2700rpm. <snip>

 GT,
 First question.  Did you run the car prior to the modifications?  If so,
 how do the new numbers compare?

 I'm going to assume your 65 4-4-2 has the original 400.  If so,
 when you ordered your camshaft, did they clarify
 that this fits the 65 400 only?
 1965 400's are the only 400 to use the 45 degree
 lifter angle.  If you installed a 66-69 400 cam, these have a 39
 deg. angle and will cause a 65 400 to run like a two legged dog.
 Next.  Did you check and set the lifter preload?
 Excessive preload will also create a poor performer.

 Also, what total advance did you set the Uni-Lite at?

 Greg Rollin >>

Sorry for the long-ish post, but to keep the thread intact....
While I agree that there may be a few eninge things to have "wrong" (for lack
of a better term), I'd say it is the gearing....
1) He said the thing is turning 2700 RPM at 70 MPH!!!  (sounds like a 2.73
gear out back AT BEST, maybe a 2.56...)
2) He said he never had to shift from first..   I have an '81 Cutlass with
2.29's in it, and with shifting at 4500 RPM I can pull quite a few MPH in
first gear (40ish, or so, and 2nd comes at over 80 MPH... just tested, so I'm
sure...)

Both of these facts leave me to think something isn't right with the
gearing.....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:42:41 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

Blankenship, Mike wrote:
>
> Does anyone have or had a factory 70-72 Cutlass/442 bench seat 4 speed   car?
Did the factory use the same tunnel for console and bench seat or   is it
different?  Does the bench seat shifter dogleg like the console   shifter or is
it straighter? >

Well, I read my new Hot Rod from '68 with the F85 buildup. It had a 4
spd with a bench seat. Don't know if that has any bearing on your
question. I would assume that the config for the 68-72 cars is the same.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:51:03 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: RE: W-35 : Yes or No

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Peter Landowski  wrote:

< I have a 72 442 Conv't and am considering placing the decklid spoiler =
when
< I repaint the car. 2 questions:
<
< 1> Should I put the spoiler on, does it look better with it on a
< convertible?

I have seen convertibles with the spoiler, I think it looks great but it =
was not a factory option on a convertible.  I do have an old car craft =
mag with a picture of a blue 71 442 conv with the spoiler.  I'll scan it =
and send it to you.  The owner said the wing was put on at the =
dealership.  So I believe like most of the cars back then almost =
anything went.  I personally don't have one on mine  and although I've =
thought of it I am not sure I'd ever do it.

< 2> Was there a different sized wing for the convertible?

 NO

Steven
70 442 conv


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:55:27 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Everyone lists their cars

On Tuesday, September 29, 1998 12:45 PM, ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
[SMTP:ANTIQOLDS@aol.com] wrote: > > I can't believe I left off  my Vista
Cruiser, just got an e-mail from Greg > Beaulieu asking if I sold it. > > so in
addition to the above list > > 1971 Vista Cruiser  455  4bbl  A/C  tilt  w/ two
tone paint

That merely shows that you have got just the right number of Oldsmobiles.

C'mon, Charley, you know you had your list written down beforehand!  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

O.K., just so my husband won't feel left out:

1969 Hurst/Olds--frame-off resto currently being done in our garage (The
Perennial Project Car).

1975 Hurst/Olds--white/gold - next "Project Car"?  (maybe in another 15
years!!)

1979 Hurst/Olds--white/gold - my old daily driver.  But, the engine is
shot, so it has been retired to the garage for now.

1984 Olds 98 Regency--forest fawn? - my new daily driver, aka "The Boat"
or "Beeeeg Peeeeg" (found in the on-line classifieds for $1950!!)  It is
good to be back in an Olds again.  After we found this car, we sold the
interim car (The Slug), also know as a Bu*ck C*ntury!

And last, but not least (to my husband, anyway):  1974 VW Superbeetle
(husband's daily driver, original owner, original paint!)  "The Bug" or
"Death Wish", as I call it.

A (mostly) patient and understanding OldsmoWife,

Sherie Stanish
Campbell California

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:05:44 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: seat belts

In a message dated 98-09-28 20:19:45 EDT, you write:

<< 'Need a pair of front original front seat belts.  71 4-4-2 convertible.
 Brothers, no. Year One, no.  GM insignia on the buckle I think.  Any ideas
for
 sources?? >>

Try Fall Hershey or Carlisle (pennsylvania) there's usually a guy who has them
NOS .
Just saw him at Englishtown this past weekend. BTW, picked up some neat stuff
. Door handles nos in GM boxes. $5 each. Hood spring (the one near the latch)
$1.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv,

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:48:31 -0400
From: "RC Hellebuyck" <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: W-35 : Yes or No

>I have a 72 442 Conv't and am considering placing the decklid spoiler when
>I repaint the car. 2 questions:
>
>1> Should I put the spoiler on, does it look better with it on a
>convertible?
>
>2> Was there a different sized wing for the convertible?
>


I believe that the rear spoiler option was NOT offered on convertibles
('70 -72).  Why remains a mystery to me.  I don't even think it was
available as a dealer option.

If you would like to see what it will look like, go to my web site!  My car
has the rear spolier and there are many pictures of my "Golden Pride & Joy".
When I bought the car I didn't care for how it looked.....but then it kind
of grew on me.  Looks OK I guess.  THEN, that little "purist"  voice in me
says to "take it off when I repaint the car since it's not "stock".

God willing, I won't have to repaint my 4-4-2 for a long time (I hope).  My
wallet is starting to get warm just thinking about it.   8>o

Good luck with what ever you decide.  Do what YOU want!  It's your car.
BTW, my web page is at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

=====================================================
RC Hellebuyck  -  1971 4-4-2 covt.  -  OCA Member #30213
See my car and 44 other Olds' at:
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:07:58 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

Everett Horton (cannot gripe about him) wrote;

<< I can't believe I left off  my Vista Cruiser, just got an e-mail from Greg
 Beaulieu asking if I sold it. >>

So Greg B. is behind this mega subject?

Karl has a ********  memory.
And as he will never remember all these posts (especially the non-Olds) he
must delete all of them to conserve space.

But Karl goes quietly, hoping that the latest generation of Oldsmobiler will
learn not to ask such questions.....

(and there was much rejoicing!)

SOM

&KA

Wow! Is that the diff code?

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:09:05 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

I have 10.5:1 in my 71 442, use Sunoco Ultra, no problems,
no pinging, no overheating. Have hardened valve seats.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:10:43 -0500
From: "Malcolm Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: installing rear main seal

Does the Fo*d 460 seal also fit a 350?
Mick Gillespie
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: installing rear main seal


>Don't go with the rope main seal. They tend to be leaky. Go with the one
>MOndello sells which is a Neoprene Rear Main Seal. It is actually a Ford
>seal but work awesome on the Olds. It has 100% better sealing
>characteristics and lasts longer.
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>----------
>> From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: installing rear main seal
>> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:58 AM
>>
>> I'm replacing my rear main seal, both upper and lower seals, and am
>facing a
>> dilemna.  The shop manual clearly says to apply sealant to the *ends* of
>the
>> rope seal, as well as the small area of the main bearing cap next to the
>seal.
>> The Olds FAQ also agrees with this view.   However, the directions from
>FelPro
>> and I think someone on this list, say *never* to apply sealant to the
>ends of
>> the seal, I think because the crank can catch the RTV, pull it around and
>off,
>> thus botching the whole job.  Any opinions?
>>
>> Todd Morris
>> 71 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:10:41 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

Check Hemmings or any other towns near you.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:23:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Hey Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano


Dufous question du jour:

Got any tips on how to go about finding a garden variety 455 in good working
order?

ps --- crappy AutoZone wants $1295.99 + $220 core for a long block --- no
intake, no x-mans, no carb.....
tia
roger hitson

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:29:21 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

Mike,

Assuming that GM is the same across the board, the answer is that bench
and bucket cars use the same part. I had a '71 1/2 GT-37 that was a
bench stick car and it used the same piece as the bucket seat stick cars
that I have had. The shifter is taller and curved if memory serves.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)

>
>Does anyone have or had a factory 70-72 Cutlass/442 bench seat 4 speed
car?  Did the factory use the same tunnel for console and bench seat or
is it different?  Does the bench seat shifter dogleg like the console
shifter or is it straighter?
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:33:26 EDT
From: JDess@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hail Storm

JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:

<< What happens insurance-wise with a hail storm? Are you covered or it an
"act
 of God"? Just wonderin. >>

  Hi,
  A friend of mine got his car pretty badly hit by hail this spring.  A lot of
hood and roof damage to a recent model Lincoln.  There was no question about
paying for the damages from his insurance co.  In fact, he then took the car
to a "Paintless Dent removal" place and was able to get the car fixed for
about 1/4 of the amount the insurance company allowed him.
  Joe Dessel

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:49:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nathyn M. Knipe" <nmknipe@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds rear ends

all g-body rear axles are a direct bolt in....i put a monte SS posi in my
cutlass...no problems at all....there a lot of cutlass's out there with a
2.41....i don't know where you live, but if you are anywhere close to
Carlisle Pa this weekend i would make a trip....i am sure they will have
what you want...it is huge car swap meet.....Nathyn

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Rick Peatman wrote:

> Hi all .
> I am trying to track down a "new" rear end for my SS Monte Carlo.  Can
> anyone tell me if the  complete rear from all 80's  Cutlasses are direct
> boltins?  Do I have a chance of finding a 3.42 or higher gear set in a
> Cutlass?  There are several Cutlasses in the j-yard near me but I dont't
> know what is in them - time to pull the RPO book.
>
> Being unable to find a GN or T-Type 8.5 inch, can anyone recommend a
> specific setup?
>
> I Appreciate any help.
> Rick Peatman
> 87 Monte SS (sick)
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:54:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: installing rear main seal

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Malcolm Gillespie wrote:

> Does the Fo*d 460 seal also fit a 350?

No, but I read somewhere recently (cannot recall exactly where) that a
Ford 292 V-8 one-piece seal is an exact swap... someone correct me if I'm
wrong on this...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:55:49 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: Power Seat Cable Drive H*lp, please

I'm modifying the late 80's 6 way power seat system so that it will fit (and
work well)  under the buckets of my 66 Starfire. Working on the passenger
seat just now. Very interesting swap. I'll write it up later, but I need
your h*lp just now.

Background
The 66 Starfire factory system had 4 way motion and those parts are very
rare. I've opted to retrofit the 6 way system if possible. By the 1980's, GM
had figured out how to 6 ways of motion under a bucket as well as a bench
seat. In the 60's they only had 6 way motion figured out for the bench
seats.

Mechanicals Work Fine
I've got the mechancal parts sorted in that I've grafted the 66 seat
pedastels to the forward/back toothed track in just the right way. The
jackscrews which give the up/down movement at front and back work just great
too.

How They work
Each of these mechanisms (6 total -- 3 per side: up/down front,
forward/back, up/down rear) is driven by a cable with squared off ends very
much like a speedo cable. In fact
darn near identical, except for the outside diameter of the cable. The round
cable with squared off ends transmits the motion of the motor to the
actuator such that it goes in
the direction the person wants.

Problemo --
My problem is that the 80's bucket seats were a little (~2") wider than 60's
buckets, so the drive cables are too long for the distance from motor to
seat tracks. I need to figure out a way to shorten (hello dremel!) then
square off the ends.  The Squaring off process is the part I havent figured
out yet. I think the factory pressed these ends using some killer high
pressure machine to get the proper square ends on the cables. Since they're
round in the center of the cables, they roll with a nice smooth motion
inside their protective plastic tubes which run from the motors to the seat
tracks.

Does anyone know of a tool or process to neatly square off the ends ot these
cables?

I can cut 'em to the right length using my dremel, but once I cut 'em, I
have to press the ends square somehow so that all 4 sides are made flat at
once -- otherwise I just press the round cable into an oval (say with a
vice....tried that)

TIA
Looking forward to the your creative solutions! I may have to go back to the
boneyard for this, but am hopeful you all can help.

If we get to a good solution, this would allow most all of you cutlass guys
with buckets to retrofit late 80's power seats into your cars too!

cf

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:57:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> So Greg B. is behind this mega subject?

Whaaaaat? Not me. All I did was ask Everett if he sold his Vista
(privately, you'll note). If he had I was going to razz him about not
offering it here (or at least to me) first!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:53:13 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: He has the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!

I have a bunch of mods in my 330, one of them is the wrong CBA ground cam.
It is ground for a 350 68-up. On top of that (or behind it) i have a 2.73
rear-end with even worse
a set of 275/60/15's in the rear.  now i did convert to a th350 so i have 3
gears, but first still goes to about 50+ (about 6000 RPM).  No bottom end
though.  Pulls good on the highway (dead-even with the 98 trans-ams) but
launches like a suburban.
Stock with this setup ran 16 flat (yuk).  Now with current mods and same
gears i might run a low 15.. have not tested it yet.
what was your time
>Brett
442@oldsracing.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: CRuper1@aol.com <CRuper1@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: I have the slowest 442 in history!!!!!!!!HELP!


>In a message dated 9/28/98 5:32:43 PM EST, supercars@transport.com writes:
>
><<
> > I just recently installed these things into my '65....Edelbrock
Performer
>RPM
> > intake and Cam/Lifter kit, Edelbrock Performer Carburetor, Mallory
Unilite
> > Distributor, MSD Blaster2 coil, Accel 8.8 wires, new AC 46s plugs(gapped
at
> > .35...I think), I still have the original "Jet-Away" with it's
"infamous"
> > converter, and the rear gears are supposed to be 3.23:1. My 60' time was
> <snip>
> > I NEVER had to change out of 1st gear...LOL...could it be
> > that rear gears were changed during it's lifetime? My cruise speed at
70mph
>is
> > 2700rpm. <snip>
>
> GT,
> First question.  Did you run the car prior to the modifications?  If so,
> how do the new numbers compare?
>
> I'm going to assume your 65 4-4-2 has the original 400.  If so,
> when you ordered your camshaft, did they clarify
> that this fits the 65 400 only?
> 1965 400's are the only 400 to use the 45 degree
> lifter angle.  If you installed a 66-69 400 cam, these have a 39
> deg. angle and will cause a 65 400 to run like a two legged dog.
> Next.  Did you check and set the lifter preload?
> Excessive preload will also create a poor performer.
>
> Also, what total advance did you set the Uni-Lite at?
>
> Greg Rollin >>
>
>Sorry for the long-ish post, but to keep the thread intact....
>While I agree that there may be a few eninge things to have "wrong" (for
lack
>of a better term), I'd say it is the gearing....
>1) He said the thing is turning 2700 RPM at 70 MPH!!!  (sounds like a 2.73
>gear out back AT BEST, maybe a 2.56...)
>2) He said he never had to shift from first..   I have an '81 Cutlass with
>2.29's in it, and with shifting at 4500 RPM I can pull quite a few MPH in
>first gear (40ish, or so, and 2nd comes at over 80 MPH... just tested, so
I'm
>sure...)
>
>Both of these facts leave me to think something isn't right with the
>gearing.....
>
>Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:47:26 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Everyone lists their cars

Is this Jimmy Olson from the Superman Show?  Where is Lois Laine?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jim Olson [SMTP:jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
	Sent:	Monday, September 28, 1998 1:42 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Everyone lists their cars

	Can we please stop listing our cars now? I'm getting tired of
deleting
	dozens of messages with people's cars only listed...

	Jim...

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:08:28 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Car Alarms

I am thinking about getting an alarm for my semi new car and was wondering
did anybody have any Ideas on a good alarm?  What alarm should I stay away
from?

Thanks for your advice.

======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:17:17 PDT
From: "Olds Omega" <oldsomega73@hotmail.com>
Subject: 79cc heads, What to do?

In the 73 350s they had the 79 cc heads, what should I do about these
monsters?  Should I just go with higher compression (read expensive)
pistons from Mondello, or try to find a nicer set of heads? (I'm on a
tight budget, which really sucks if you need to rebuild an engine) Also
is there anything else that would be a good and/or inexpensive upgrade
for this engine?



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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:45:05 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Date:	Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:45:05 -0500

	subscribe oldsmobile SAJOHNSON@usds.com <mailto:SAJOHNSON@usds.com>

======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:41:28 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: list

Is the email mail list down?
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:15:32 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: Car Alarms

I am thinking about getting an alarm for my semi new car and was wondering
did anybody have any Ideas on a good alarm?  What alarm should I stay away
from?

Thanks for your advice.

======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:18:06 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Octane requirements

I have an Olds 455 30 over with 10.1/4:1 piston and I use a misture of 93
and 108 at 2 to 1
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	rocket409@juno.com [SMTP:rocket409@juno.com]
	Sent:	Monday, September 28, 1998 10:45 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Octane requirements

	Anyone out there who is running 10.5:1 compression at 180 degree
engine
	temperature, what octane does your car ask of you?

	Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass

	                        Bucks County, PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:35:24 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 79cc heads, What to do?

Get a set of '72 350 heads, 7a.  The '73 motors used a bigger combustion
chamber and smaller dish pistons to get their CR., and the '72 motors used
bigger piston dish and smaller combustion chamber.  So, the '72 heads on a
'73 motor means more CR..  All you need is 7a heads with their 64cc chamber
(Vs. 79 on your no. 8 heads).  The 7a heads should still be fairly easy to
find on junk yards and will probably flow better.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Olds Omega <oldsomega73@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 1:20 PM
Subject: 79cc heads, What to do?


>In the 73 350s they had the 79 cc heads, what should I do about these
>monsters?  Should I just go with higher compression (read expensive)
>pistons from Mondello, or try to find a nicer set of heads? (I'm on a
>tight budget, which really sucks if you need to rebuild an engine) Also
>is there anything else that would be a good and/or inexpensive upgrade
>for this engine?
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:38:50
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: C.Ruper are you here ???

Sorry list members, but i cant reach Ruper at his
privat adress !!!


>
>Hello C.R, you said your -81 olds with 2.29 gears
>did about 40 mph i 1st gear, i have a -81 cutlass
>calais with the factory rear end, (diesel) i belive its
>a 2.29. the car has now a 350 from -74, the previus
>owner put in a crower cam around -90. do not know
>anything about the cam spec. but it pulls very strong
>from 25-3000 and up. when locked in Drive, and i
>go WOT, (say at 35 mph) it kicks down into 1st
>gear and runs right up to ca. 55 mph before shifting
>into 2nd. there it does about 85 mph. (things starting
>to get very slow now) the trans. is a TH-350 and the
>tires are 245/60-15. if my gauges are right, it hits
>6000 RPM without problems. what gears do you
>think there are in my rear end, and can i trust the
>tach ???
>Thanks for your time C.R
>Chris RL, No

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:18:48 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Valve cover gasket recomendations

I recently installed Fel Pro  valve cover gaskets on my leaking ch*vy m*libu
V-6.    I used Permatex gasket sealer on both sides of the gaskets and had the
opportunity to install them and let the engine set for a week or so before
starting it up.  As anyone who has ever owned a V-6 or small block V-8 ch*vy
knows, they are notorious leakers.  By letting mine set for a week before use,
I have had no leaks yet in the past 3 weeks.  Of course if I have to remove a
valve cover it will destroy the gasket, but in this case if I have to do that
I will go ahead and replace the engine for something with power.  I did not
over tighten the covers either, just got them snug and let the sealer do its
thing.

Bowties are good subjects for experimentation so you do not harm the good
vehicles.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:56:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: 79cc heads, What to do?

>In the 73 350s they had the 79 cc heads, what should I do about these
>monsters?

The commonest answer you'll likely hear to this (other than throw the engine
away & buy a big block) is to try to locate a set  of 7A heads from a 72
350. They have smaller combustion chambers, big valves, and hardened exhaust
seats (for unleaded).

I bought a set of 5 heads & had bigger intake valves & hardened xst seats
put in.

7A heads aren't too hard to find (cores maybe $50), but machine shop costs
(if needed ) have a way of making prices slide upwards.

Good luck.

roger hitson

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:51:13 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock RPM

I'm not gonna give you any heat, to the contrary...I AGREE!!!! I have the
complete RPM package on my 65 and it "dead" below about 3500 rpm.It screams
above that, but you just dont get above 3500rpm very often when cruising to
work and back. My car has really takin' a hit in it's low end torque, now Im
looking at building a TH-350 with a 3000+ stall just to get outta the hole
(accelerate from dead stop).

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:52:53 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

It asks for about 105 octane...LOL...I just use Exxon Supreme 93 Octane, with
104 Octane boost...gets exspensive!

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:51:50 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock RPM

hmmmm
hmmmmmmm
Wrong CBA???
Check the FAQ.  www.442.com
>Brett
442@oldsracing.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: GT5726@aol.com <GT5726@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbrock RPM


>I'm not gonna give you any heat, to the contrary...I AGREE!!!! I have the
>complete RPM package on my 65 and it "dead" below about 3500 rpm.It screams
>above that, but you just dont get above 3500rpm very often when cruising to
>work and back. My car has really takin' a hit in it's low end torque, now
Im
>looking at building a TH-350 with a 3000+ stall just to get outta the hole
>(accelerate from dead stop).
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:56:39 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 79cc heads, What to do?

You could have the heads shaved. I think that about 50or 60 thousandst should
bring you up to around 9.5 or so with stock pistons. But ensure that you use a
good quality head (core to begin with)and a good head gasket and have the
intake cut down to ensure a proper fit. Check with the Mondello tech book and
if all else fails ask the "DOC" and he will give you some good advise.

Just my .02

Chris Sommerville
69 442SC
70 442HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:08:43 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 79cc heads, What to do?

Olds Omega wrote:
>
> In the 73 350s they had the 79 cc heads, what should I do about these
> monsters?  Should I just go with higher compression (read expensive)
> pistons from Mondello, or try to find a nicer set of heads? (I'm on a
> tight budget, which really sucks if you need to rebuild an engine) Also
> is there anything else that would be a good and/or inexpensive upgrade
> for this engine?

Definately get a better set of heads. From what I've been told, #8's are
about worthless. I went to a yard and MIRACULOUSLY found a 70 350 with
#6's AND a Nodular crank. I got the heads for $80 and the crank for $45.
Of course they both had work done to them, but I've been told by the
list that that was the smartest thing I could've done. I'm running about
9.5:1 compression and some slight porting, stock 73 pistons.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:39:00 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

Way back in 1976 when I replaced my shifter, Hurst had two different listings
for the shifter.  The console car used a different set up than the non-console
cars.  The handle for a console four speed comes up out of the center of the
console due to offset of the handle..  A friend had a 68 four speed, no
console and the handle came out on the side of the hump with no offset in the
handle.  The floor pan is the same in either car.  GM cut a hole in the floor
and then covered it with a sheet metal housing to accept the shifter for
manual transmission floor shift cars.  The console cars also received brackets
welded to the hump for console mounting.  I either case the shifter is still
located in the same place with the final exit point of the handle the only
change.  Some GM cars of the lesser makes used one shifter for console or non.
Their consoles had the hole off center.  Olds being a finer automobile chose
to be different and used two shifters.

I may be all wet on parts of this, but I am going from memory and observation.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:10:26 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

what model headman headers?...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:14:12 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

I use the 1 3/4 headman headers  (not the hustlers)
I don't think they have a model "Name" for their regular headers.
They are actually for a 67 400 but with a (soft) hammer they fit a
330 (yikes!) , they do fit very close to the frame though.
>Brett
442@oldsracing.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: GT5726@aol.com <GT5726@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Octane requirements


>what model headman headers?...

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:24:04 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
>
> It asks for about 105 octane...LOL...I just use Exxon Supreme 93 Octane, with
> 104 Octane boost...gets exspensive!

I use Unocal 76 with 104+ and it has a tendency to foul the plugs.  You
are
right about the expensive part.  I pay $5.00 a bottle and have to use
one
on each tank of gas I pump.

Later....

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:35:33 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: 70 Speaker Question

Does anybody know if the rear speaker (6x9) in a '70 Delta 88 Conv. or any 
other
seventy Olds, running on a stock radio, is a 10ohm speaker and if it is what
will happen if a 8ohm or 4 ohm speaker is put in its place??

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:45:44 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: ignition advance: more info out there?

Hey,

When I held forth on the subject, I made it clear that I was NOT an expert. I
was hoping to add some "yeast" to the discussion, but it seems to have died
right then. There *are* some real experts on this list, and the topic seems a
fruitful one for discussion. I'd like to see how close my 35-years-back
information comes to what is known today.

Here is a little snip of the original poster's questions.

>  Why,
>  >then, are preignition problems more prevailant the sooner the spark is
>  >fires.  Something just doesn't make sense here.  Could it be because the
>  >increase in combustion chamber temperature increases at a faster rate
>  >than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?

Cheers/Carron

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:49:41 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Date:	Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:49:41 -0500

>Subject: '70 Woodgrain Dash Overlays Available

>I just got the September issue of JWO yesterday, and there is an ad for
>dash woodgrain kits from a company called H&H (614)443-5809.  Not sure
>if it is the correct burl pattern, but worth a try if you need them.

Saw samples of the wood grain dash kits at Nationals in July and they
are very good. Heavy correct grain vinyl bonded to a metal backer like
the 70 models had. I would buy if I needed them. Also has aluminum
plates to replace faded/scratched  wiper, top and cruise bezel inserts
and heater control face plate insert. Some what costly but the best I've
seen. Vendor said he was going to be the only supplier for the next year
or so then may let other vendors stock them.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:08:59 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Octane requirements

In my Delta (10:1) I use Mohawk 94 octane gas.  I tried mid-grade 89 octane
and it was not pretty.  Igor.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 9:56 PM
Subject: Octane requirements


>Anyone out there who is running 10.5:1 compression at 180 degree engine
>temperature, what octane does your car ask of you?
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>-
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:07:01 EDT
From: FOXSTER68@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets

Dear Olds Fans


I tried to get Olds to help pay for a blown headgasket...........  They are
supposed to have goodwill policy on these Quad-4 head gaskets, they refused.

Any suggestions............ Car has 70,000miles, had 68,000 when it went
bad....

Int'l series Olds calais HO Quad-4


Kmart

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:13:09 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds rear ends

I don't know if this would fit in a Cutlass but I found a 3.23 limited slip
8.5" 10 bolt in a full size late 70's Buick LeSabre with a 403/th350 in it.
Bolted right into my '81 Delta behind the 455/th400.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Peatman <rpeatman@dwave.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:09 AM
Subject: Olds rear ends


>Hi all .
>I am trying to track down a "new" rear end for my SS Monte Carlo.  Can
>anyone tell me if the  complete rear from all 80's  Cutlasses are direct
>boltins?  Do I have a chance of finding a 3.42 or higher gear set in a
>Cutlass?  There are several Cutlasses in the j-yard near me but I dont't
>know what is in them - time to pull the RPO book.
>
>Being unable to find a GN or T-Type 8.5 inch, can anyone recommend a
>specific setup?
>
>I Appreciate any help.
>Rick Peatman
>87 Monte SS (sick)

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:19:15 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: OVERHEATING (prev. discussion)

About a couple of weeks ago there was a discussion about overheating that
was started by Ray, I believe.  If some of you remember, I complained about
the same thing in my '81 Delta 455.  Just a few days ago I tried this
product called WATER WETTER.  It is a fairly small bottle with red stuff in
it.  Worked great.  On my last high-way trip the temp stayed 190-200 deg.
all the time at speeds of over 75 mph and 3000 rpm.  Before doing this would
case me to have to pull over at 230deg after about 10-15 minutes.  Great
stuff.  Just so you know.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:25:41 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets

Hey, at least it was only a head-gasket.  My dads Intrepid has a blown trans
(45,000 miles).  All of his friends with s FWD 90's Chryslers had all their
trannys blow.  On a recent trip to a reputable and expensive (but good)
trans. shop, they told me that FWD Chryslers are the worst of the worst for
trans. problems.  I think he said something like 50% fail or have a problem
by 60,000 miles, 85% by 80,000 miles.  Crazy.  I am glad I drive
Oldsmobiles.  160,000 miles on my 2004r in the Regency, (still works
flawless), '76 Th400 with over 250,000 miles behind a 455 and recently
updated with 12 inch converter and Hurst Stage 2 kit works even better, and
th250 that came out of my Delta with the 307 and was in great shape when it
came out.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
- -----Original Message-----
From: FOXSTER68@aol.com <FOXSTER68@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: zeus@pathwaynet.com <zeus@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets


>Dear Olds Fans
>
>
>I tried to get Olds to help pay for a blown headgasket...........  They are
>supposed to have goodwill policy on these Quad-4 head gaskets, they
refused.
>
>Any suggestions............ Car has 70,000miles, had 68,000 when it went
>bad....
>
>Int'l series Olds calais HO Quad-4
>
>
>Kmart
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:48:35 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: messages: non Olds

From 5 PM last evening till almost 5 PM tonight rec. 212 messages. I think
that a record at this address. read nothing yet. Not trying to make more
spam, just an observation.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:55:57 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Speaker Question

Bruce,
Thought they were 8 Ohms, Never put a meter on one.
Lou Biggs
- ----------
> From: Bruce Camilli <bcam@vel.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 70 Speaker Question
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 3:35 PM
>
> Does anybody know if the rear speaker (6x9) in a '70 Delta 88 Conv. or
any other seventy Olds, running on a stock radio, is a 10ohm speaker and if
it is what will happen if a 8ohm or 4 ohm speaker is put in its place??

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:56:29 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile goodwill policy on Headgaskets

In a message dated 9/29/98 5:25:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< igor455@home.com (Igor T. '81 455DRB) >>
Igor, are you croation?

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:02:09 +0200
From: "TRONDJARLE PEDERSEN" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: re:G body ~true duals~ -Reply

I HAD dual exaust on my 80 cutlass (may she rest in pease) but im not sure it
counts sins i also had lakerpipes on it ;-) looked greate by the way (white 
with
campagnecolur vinyltopp, wireweels and lakerpipes a bit noisy thoug (as in no
muflers) ) god I miss her :-(

Trond

69 f85 sc

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:07:18 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

All Greg's' fault!
Lou Biggs

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:12:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Burba <burba@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Strange 455 identification numbers

I would like information on identifying a motor.

On the motor where the ID numbers go (front drivers side) there is a number
L3E 13437V
with "K" heads (with a small upper case "A"). Behind the water pump the
number is 396021 F.

I understand these heads are OK, big valve but the numbers on the block
doesn't make sense with what I have read in the FAQ's.

Could this be a warranty replacement??

Any help would be appreciated.

PS
I sent this message out on Sunday but didn't see it in the digests, I think
that was when there was server trouble.
Dave Burba
Brandon, Manitba Canada
68 Cutlass S
69 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:21:05 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

Sam,
Thats LANE, like the lover's.
Lou
> Is this Jimmy Olson from the Superman Show?  Where is Lois Laine?
> ======================
> Sam E. Johnson, JR.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:27:07 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: List Cars

JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:

> You're a lucky man to have such an understanding SO. I've often said I should
> have gone to a car show to meet my wife!
> Bruce

Met my (now ex) wife at a swap meet.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:37:54 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

Karl,
Do not necessarily agree on viscosity boosters, but DO definitely agree on
detergents, without engine is a dirty mess when you pull it apart. All they
do is keep the (Dirt) in suspension. Will read the spiders and snakes site
however. Always more to learn>
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oil additives was: Oil Viscosity

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:41:51 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~

Karl,
Bullseye!
Lou

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: G body ~true duals~
> What I learned is that while you can add two, because there are NO
emissions
> requirements on my 1965 car. People who have one CANNOT add a second
because
> it would change the characteristics of the exhaust gas flow (temp,
pressure,
> volume, speed) as it reaches the Cats. Those were the factors considered
when
> your original Cat was designed. The EPA feels that altering that delicate
> balance...

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:53:39 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: pondering the ignition advance.

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> Could it be because the
> increase in combustion chamber temperature increases at a faster rate
> than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?
>

        Ray,

        I'm not claiming to be an expert, but you're close.  Every increase
in timing advance results in an increase in spark plug temperature.  One
chart I've seen put out by Champion Spark Plugs indicates plug temperature
increases in percentage about one number higher than the advance figure.  For
instance, if your timing is 2 deg BTDC, plug temp will be roughly 3 per cent
higher than at TDC; at 4 deg BTDC , plug temp will be roughly 5 percent
higher than at TDC and so on.  This increased spark plug temperature is one
cause of preignition.  The spark plug itself becomes the hot spot that
contributes to the problem. Other contributing factors to preignition are
excessive carbon deposits, poor or low octane fuel (at least lower octane
that the compression ratio requires), some fuel additives, excessively lean
air/fuel ratios, etc.

        Hope this sounds "expert" enough

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:59:55 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Omega Help

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> >        Back when I was still a Chevy guy, I had a '71 Nova.  Anyway,
> What year

        Uh...that would be a 1971 Nova.  I sold it in 1993 for $250.  It
was eaten up by the glorious northern Illinois winters and the copious
salt Rockford, Illinois uses on its well-beaten streets.

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:12:19 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Olds Content - Define

        Evenin' Fellow Rocket Drivers:

        I've seen various posts urging Olds content only.  As a
relatively new member to the list, please, define.  I mean, several
posts deal with general automotive concerns (timing, carburetion,
overheating...etc) that are not specifically Olds related.  Also, I've
noticed some threads, especially those that deal with interchangeability
questions, can end up talking a bit about another make of car for a few
posts.  Either of these situations can be helpful to someone. I do want
to observe proper list etiquette and I'm not trying to be argumentative;
I'm merely requesting a bit of guidance.

        Thanks

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:22:40 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Grrrrrrrrr.................

Kerry Kroger wrote:
<geez what could you have missed go fast turn left , repeat vroom
vroommmmmmmm......just kidding...........>

Remember, it only takes one ball to play baseball, football, basketball, or
(especially) golf.................................

Ken Snyder

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:38:38 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: pondering the ignition advance.

Ray,
Need a dissertation here, Karl??
Lou
- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: pondering the ignition advance.

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:48:26 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Re-post....Web page idea....Lets get behind this

To All;
S-MAN HAS a good idea here,  lets help him out.
Lou Biggs
PS Will not be in the picture, do not wish to ruin a good thing!

- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Re-post....Web page idea....
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 10:34 PM
>
> Well, I'd really like to post a photo of my car on the web somewhere, but
> I haven't yet because......
> Since my car is a part of me, it does not photograph well without me in
> the photo.  The best photo I have of it has me standing in front of it.
> I thought it'd be inappropriate to post a picture of me standing in front
> of the car,  but perhaps it wouldn't be in this realm.  So I'm for it.
>
> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                         Bucks County, PA
> -
> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:41:34 -0700 (PDT) S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> writes:
> >
> >Hi gang,
> >        This is attempt #2, so bear with me if you ~did~ get it...it
> >didn't come back to me so I'm assuming it never made the list.
> >       I had an idea about a new page for the list....esp. since now
> >we all have the info on what everyone drives :) We have alot of great
> >folks hereand alot of great personalities here too....has anyone ever
> >wanted to put a face with that?....So give me some input....We can
> >post a pic of the list members and the listing of their cars.....Let
> >me have some input ~DIRECT~ please so we don't clog the list up
> >again....No flames please as even though this may seem stupid to
> >some...it may not be to everyone....
> >         I know some of you won't post their mug because of being
> >wanted in 3 states for buying too many Olds'....but I'll keep it
> >private so  ~ONLY~ list folks will have access :)
> >             Anyways...that's my thought...What'cha think?
> >             Sman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >==
> >John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> >TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> >1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
> >http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> >Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
> >-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
> >
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> >
> >
>
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