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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, October 15 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1553



Re: Need '64 Drums
Core Support
70 heads
Rochester - Whoa!
Re: '66 tripower carbs
Re: 70 heads
Re: 70 heads
Re: 70 heads
Re: '66 tripower carbs
Re: Rochester - Whoa!
SNOW!
Re: Rochester - Whoa!
RE: SNOW!
Re: '66 tripower carbs
RE: SNOW!
Re: '66 tripower carbs
455 performance
Re: '66 tripower carbs
Re: '66 tripower carbs
Re: HBO Movie
More Tri-Carb info
Re: '68 Cutlass project FS (fwd)
Re: 70 heads
Re: HBO Movie
RE: HBO Movie
Re: Movie 442
G body List
back from the dead...
Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: SNOW!
Re: 70 heads
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
wheel fitment on a g-body
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question
removal from list
Eibach springs
Olds and sexy women in a movie
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Inner fender scrape, non-list-exclusive
Triangle Mystery....
How should I deal with buying parts through the net?
bucket seat question .....
RE: Wide tires on front of A-body
engine weight
Re: parts for sale
RE: engine weight
RE:71-72 core support wanted
He Scores!!!
Re: bucket seat question .....
Re: bucket seat question .....
Re: engine weight
Re: G-body list?
Re: engine weight
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: Radio Dial Lights
Re: 70 heads
Re: 70 heads
Re: 70 heads
Re: finishing a paint job!
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
RE: Wide tires on front of A-body
Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!
Re: engine weight
Piston Rings Seating Period
parts wanted
Re: 70 heads
pictures...
Re: 70 heads
Re: More Tri-Carb info

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:14:39 -0400
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: Re: Need '64 Drums

wait a minute, what is so special about 64 drums?  I thought they were 
the same 64-67... have you tried NAPA?  

Doug

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:20:40 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Core Support

As stated earlier the core support is main cross member under the hood
that supports the fenders, radiator, headlight fittings and hood latch.
They also support the battery tray on 70-72 Cutlass' and the years of
battery acid accelerates rusting out. Finding good ones that don't have
a hole where the battery tray bolts on are becoming rare. If you find a
good one, you can usually get $100-200 for it. Of course removing one
can be a lot of work. 

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:26:16 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: 70 heads

does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i thought #5 heads
came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:30:41 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rochester - Whoa!

In a message dated 98-10-14 11:16:05 EDT, you write:

Karl not knew this!
 
 << Thank you for visiting the ACDelco Website.  In regards to your email,
  Rochester Carburetor was bought out by Magnetti Marelli.  You may wish
  to contact them for assistance at 919-776-4111.    If we can assist you
  with anything in the future, please visit our website at www.acdelco.com
  or you may contact us at 1-800 ACDelco.  Thank you for your inquiry.
  
  Julie
  ACDelco Customer Assistance > >>

Gotta find out who they are!

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:37:23 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

In a message dated 98-10-14 14:51:04 EDT, you write:

<< The 66 4-4-2 Tri-Carb (L-69 and W-30) numbers are:
 Front  7026055
 Center  7026056
 Rear  7026057
 
 I'm not much up on Pontiac stuff to say for sure, but
 I believe they use a different throttle linkage than the 4-4-2.
 Although the Pontiac carbs and linkage could probably
 be adapted if you are not concerned with originality.  >>

Problem here is that there are something like 5 different venturii diameters
for 2-Jet carburetors. Pontiac could have used a different venturii carb, in
which case the carb could be jetted differently.

SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:44:31 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

All 1970 350s use the #6 head. 2bbl, 4bbl, or W-31, they all use it. As 
a matter of fact, the 2bbl and the 4bbl use exactly the same head. Same 
valves, springs, etc. Only the W-31 got the big valves and springs.

An extra note: The 2bbls and auto 4bbls even use the same cam.



Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:37:02 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:

> does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i thought #5 heads
> came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?
>
> mikeytvb@aol.com



All 1970 350's use #6 heads.
2 barrel and standard 4 barrel heads
have 1.880" intake valves and 1.567" exhausts.
W-31's were fitted with 2" intakes and 1.625" exhausts.

The same info applies to #5's.
Which were used on 1968-1969 350's.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:54:14 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 2:30 PM
Subject: 70 heads


>does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i
thought #5 heads
>came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?

The 70 350 has #6 heads, both 2-barrel & 4-barrel, including
the W-31. Valve sizes will be different though. #5 heads are
on 68 & 69 350s. Same thing applies about 2 vs. 4-barrel.
===================================================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass S Conv.
1980 Toronado Brougham
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
mgillespie@sprynet.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:54:40 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

Problem here is that there are something like 5 different venturii
diameters
for 2-Jet carburetors. Pontiac could have used a different venturii carb,
in
which case the carb could be jetted differently.
_________

In some cases, they did.  Early Poncho tripowers used the small venturi
carb in the center position, with the larger ones on the ends.  I believe
the 66 Pontiac tripower does use the same size carbs in all three
locations; in fact, I seem to recall that they are effectively identical to
the 66 Olds  carbs, though with different tag numbers.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:00:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Rochester - Whoa!

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
>  << Thank you for visiting the ACDelco Website.  In regards to your email,
>   Rochester Carburetor was bought out by Magnetti Marelli.  You may wish
>   to contact them for assistance at 919-776-4111.   
> Gotta find out who they are!

Well, they're Italian... I remember seeing their decals on Ferrari F-1
cars. I didn't know that GM had sold Rochester. Hope MM is running it as a
going concern and not moving them to Italy... 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:00:06 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: SNOW!

Thought both lists would be interested in this'n.  The buzz phrase was "The 
Blizzard of '96".  I 
guess 33 inches would count as a blizzard.  :-)

http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/blizzard.jpg

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:56:20 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Rochester - Whoa!

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-10-14 11:16:05 EDT, you write:
>
> Karl not knew this!
>
>  << Thank you for visiting the ACDelco Website.  In regards to your email,
>   Rochester Carburetor was bought out by Magnetti Marelli.  You may wish
>   to contact them for assistance at 919-776-4111.    If we can assist you
>   with anything in the future, please visit our website at www.acdelco.com
>   or you may contact us at 1-800 ACDelco.  Thank you for your inquiry.
>
>   Julie
>   ACDelco Customer Assistance > >>
>
> Gotta find out who they are!

 Karl,

Magnetti-Marelli is an Italian company who is/was the OE supplier
of many electrical components used on Fiats, Lancias, Ferrari,
Alfa Romeo, etc.  Odd they would buy out Rochester carbs.....


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:10:40 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: RE: SNOW!

I guess 33 inches would count as a blizzard.  :-)


*****
Whew!!!  Better keep that baby in the garage!

Mike Baugher

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:12:35 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

Greg and Karl,

Thanks for your responses. I guess I'm just trying to determine exactly 
what my potential sources for the carbs might be. I read in Doug Roe's 
book about the several different venturi sizes, all on 2G carbs. But 
this way, armed with carb #'s, I have a place to start!

Thanks again!
Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA

- ----Original Message Follows----
Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:36:19 -0700
From:	Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca



Norm Baier wrote:

> Anyone have the carb #'s for the '66 tri-power carbs? They aren't
>
> listed in the FAQ that I can tell. Are they in any way similar to the
>
> Pontiac tri-power carbs, or other GM 2bbls then available? TIA



Norm,

The 66 4-4-2 Tri-Carb (L-69 and W-30) numbers are:
Front  7026055
Center  7026056
Rear  7026057

I'm not much up on Pontiac stuff to say for sure, but
I believe they use a different throttle linkage than the 4-4-2.
Although the Pontiac carbs and linkage could probably
be adapted if you are not concerned with originality.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com





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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:13:31 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: SNOW!

On Wednesday, October 14, 1998 11:11 AM, MB0 [SMTP:MB0@americancentury.com] 
wrote:
>
> Whew!!!  Better keep that baby in the garage!
>
> Mike Baugher

I can't wait, believe me.  The Cutlass spends its life outside, and has for 
it's 15 year existence. 
 I really need ~something~, even just a carport!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:12 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

But this way, armed with carb #'s, I have a place to start!
_________

Unfortunately, all this will get you is frustrated.  These carb numbers are
unique to the Olds tripower application.  More importantly, the numbers are
on a separate tag held with one of the air horn screws.  The tags get torn
off and can be easily switched.  A better approach would be to get the
jetting specs and modify a set of large venturi 2GCs to work.  Yes, you'll
need to remove the choke mechanism from the end carbs.  Alternatively, as I
noted, the Pontiac carbs are functionally equivalent and much more
prevalent at swap meets.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:38:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: 455 performance

I'm a long time admirer of 442's and their siblings but I got my hands
on a 68 442 with a 454 chebby. It runs high 13's in the 1/4 mile
here,and it is just a smog motor with 8:1 compression and mild cam.  I
just don't feel right about the bowtie and want a Olds 400 or, even
better, a 455. I want equal or better performance, basically a low end
motor with highway gears.

I have a nodular crank from the original 400, along with 400 block and
"C" casting heads.  I have also found all pulleys and accessory
brackets. An Olds powerplant is a must, but how fast can I go with 3.08
gears, near stock stall, and an uncut body?  I would realy like any
advice on cam, rods, valvetrain and head mods.  
BTW, I have nitrous and I'm not afraid to use it.

I've been reading up on Olds tech, in BOP mags and Mondello literature.
I've learned about restricting top end oil flow, but a mechanic that
worked in an Olds dealership in 1970 told me there was also a problem
with air bubbles forming in the oil passages and starving the front
bearings at full noise. He said to drill a very small hole in each of
the two plugs behind the timing chain to bleed this air off. Anybody
heard of this?

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:37:53 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

Joe,

Now THAT would be convenient! I'm gonna start doing some compare and 
contrasts and see what I find. Thanks!

Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA

- ----Original Message Follows----
From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:54:40 -0400
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Problem here is that there are something like 5 different venturii
diameters
for 2-Jet carburetors. Pontiac could have used a different venturii 
carb,
in
which case the carb could be jetted differently.
_________

In some cases, they did.  Early Poncho tripowers used the small venturi
carb in the center position, with the larger ones on the ends.  I 
believe
the 66 Pontiac tripower does use the same size carbs in all three
locations; in fact, I seem to recall that they are effectively identical 
to
the 66 Olds  carbs, though with different tag numbers.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30





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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:45:41 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs

Joe, 

Good point. Where can the jetting specs be found... anyone?

Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA

- ----Original Message Follows----
From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:17:12 -0400
Subject: Re: '66 tripower carbs
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

But this way, armed with carb #'s, I have a place to start!
_________

Unfortunately, all this will get you is frustrated.  These carb numbers 
are
unique to the Olds tripower application.  More importantly, the numbers 
are
on a separate tag held with one of the air horn screws.  The tags get 
torn
off and can be easily switched.  A better approach would be to get the
jetting specs and modify a set of large venturi 2GCs to work.  Yes, 
you'll
need to remove the choke mechanism from the end carbs.  Alternatively, 
as I
noted, the Pontiac carbs are functionally equivalent and much more
prevalent at swap meets.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30





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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:15:00 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: HBO Movie

>  My guess is it's a 71 though, because it didn't have a black
> grille.

It looked to me like a 71/72 W-30.  OR so it seems.  The W-30 emblems
looked a little off, but there was no side stripe that I noticed, just
hood stripes.  But remember, he said he ressurected it out of a
junkyard, so you never know if the real owner did too.  At least it
didn't look as pieced together as the one in "Black Cat Run".  I don't
remember the grille, it's been so long.  If it WASN'T black, then it
would be a 72.  They were similar, but with silver inlay with 1/2 black
1/2 silver surround and red numerals.  71 442 grilles had black inlay,
silver surround, and black numerals.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:15:41 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: More Tri-Carb info

Norm Baier wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Good point. Where can the jetting specs be found... anyone?
>
> Norm Baier
> Woodstock, GA
>

Norm,The 66 4-4-2 Tri-Carb used #68 jets in the front and
rear carbs.  And #63's in the center carb.
These are the 60 degree, long taper style of 2 bbl jets.

- --------------------------------------------------------------


> Padavano.Joe wrote:

> Yes, you'll need to remove the choke mechanism from the end carbs.

You'll also need to do something about the idle circuits on the
front and rear carbs.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:39:45 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass project FS (fwd)

In a message dated 10/13/98 7:56:11 PM EST, ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<< I have a 68 like yours. except it is a project car, no were near complete.
If
 anyone asks you if you know where one is for sale. Please send them my way.
>>

Is it a convertible

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:50:25 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i thought #5 heads
> came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?
> 
> mikeytvb@aol.com

#5 heads came on all 68-9 350's, as do #6's on all 70 350's. My 70 'S'
has the 350 2bbl, but the motor we got the #6 heads and N-crank off for
the '73 had a 4bbl manifold. Wish I would've taken that too. I need a
4bbl manifold and carb for The Unit. I'm sure thry wouldn't have charged
me much fo it, either.

- -- 
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:43:54 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: HBO Movie

The name of the movie is The Next Karate Kid

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:02:22 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: HBO Movie

> If it WASN'T black, then it
> would be a 72.  They were similar, but with silver inlay with 1/2 black
> 1/2 silver surround and red numerals.  71 442 grilles had black inlay,
> silver surround, and black numerals.
>
> Mike Rothe

FWIW, it's probably easier to tell the diff between '71 & '72 by the
headlight bezels.  '71 used polished bezels, while '72 bezels were painted
black, with only the edges polished.  When it comes to Supremes & S's,
that's the quickest way to tell, because I believe they used identical
grilles for both years...

Blaine

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:01:28 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Movie 442

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> The BEST part of the movie, other than the car itself, is when he asks
> the heroine if she liked his car ("It's an Oldsmobile 4-4-2."), and
> tells about how he rescued it from the junkyard and completely restored
> it and he loves it (sound hauntingly familiar?).  She says something
> like 'Why?  It's just a CAR."  And he replies with "JUST a car?  Is
> Michael Jordan just a basketball player?  Is Wayne Gretsky JUST a hockey
> player?  No, they're GREAT, just like this car!"   LOVE THAT LINE!



Reminds me of Demolition Man.

Stalone to Sandra Bullock:  Now THAT'S a thing of beauty.
Do you know what this is?

Sandra Bullock:  A 1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 with a 455 cubic
inch engine, radial tires and bucket seats.
- ----

Ah, Sandra......... sigh....

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:20:07 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: G body List

I'm confused:
1) What years make up an Olds G-body? (Don't know these X_body terms /
specs)
2) How does one subscribe (if interested) to this G-body M list?
3) Who of you are like me (don't knwo what a G-body is?)

Thanx, email direct to:
mailto:big_olds@hotmail.com

if you want to save bandwidth!


Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml

http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:33:38 PDT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: back from the dead...

hi guys,

The Beast is back from the dead, well, sort of from the dead.  I had the 
front end done, including front shocks.  It drives like a dream.  No 
more ping ponging down the road.

I also bought new 15' wheels and new tires.

Wow, it is like a new car.  All I have to do now is reupholster the 
seats, knock out a few dents, and get her painted.

Sorry, I don't have any pics posted yet, but soon.

cruisin,

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88, Celebrity Sedan.  425 Hi Comp v8...The BEAST. 
 Work in progress.

'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K...Yard Art.


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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:19:56 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

     I have just returned from a bizzare trip to a friends house this
afternoon...while I was there installing solid motormounts and a tourque
strap, I asked the old man( a Oldsmobile buff from wayyy back!) what the funny
looking little bracket was for on the front of the passengers side fender
well. He laughed and said hold on a minute and went into the shop. When he
came back out he had a triangular shaped bottle with a rusted out screw on
cap. He then proceded to snap this glass bottle (which fit like a glove) into
this bracket ( I used to use it to hold my Maglite). When I asked him what it
was for ...he said,"dunno". He said he snagged it from a rusted heap of a '62
out in a feild in Forney Tx., but has no idea what its for...WHAT IS IT? I
think that it may be a overflow bottle ...IS IT?

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:17:46 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: SNOW!

Yes, it shall come.  I moved to Arizona for that exact reason, but now
I'm back in PA.  I'm gonna buy myself a Scout for the winter!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:15:59 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: 70 heads

I thought that 7a heads were on all 70-72 350's?  I'm no expert in this
field by any means, but whenever I looked in any manuals or anything for
info about my heads (72 350 7a's), 70 thru 72 were always one group...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:37:02 -0700 Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
writes:
>
>
>Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>
>> does anyone know which heads were available on a 70 350?  i thought 
>#5 heads
>> came with the 4bbl, but which ones come with a 2bbl?
>>
>> mikeytvb@aol.com
>
>
>
>All 1970 350's use #6 heads.
>2 barrel and standard 4 barrel heads
>have 1.880" intake valves and 1.567" exhausts.
>W-31's were fitted with 2" intakes and 1.625" exhausts.
>
>The same info applies to #5's.
>Which were used on 1968-1969 350's.
>
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:28:20 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

> think that it may be a overflow bottle ...IS IT?

Isn't that the "Optikleen" windshield washer bottle? Before the plastic
jobbies...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:30:13 EDT
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

If I remember correctly this was windshield washer solution. Can't recall
name.
You mixed with water in the washer bottle.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:36:38 -0400
From: dclover@epix.net
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

Spare Windshield washer fluid.  I think the bottle originally had a GM
label--"Keep Your GM Car All GM."!   My dad had this on his '68 Belair. 
Anybody else remember these or am I in the wrong parallel universe?!?!

D Jones
'70 Cutlass Conv

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
> 
>      I have just returned from a bizzare trip to a friends house this
> afternoon...while I was there installing solid motormounts and a
> tourque strap, I asked the old man( a Oldsmobile buff from wayyy back!) what 
> the funny  looking little bracket was for on the front of the passengers side
> fender  well. He laughed and said hold on a minute and went into the shop.
> When he came back out he had a triangular shaped bottle with a rusted out
> screw on  cap. He then proceded to snap this glass bottle (which fit like a
> glove) into this bracket ( I used to use it to hold my Maglite). When I 
asked him
> what it was for ...he said,"dunno". He said he snagged it from a rusted heap
> of a '62 out in a feild in Forney Tx., but has no idea what its for...WHAT IS
> IT? I think that it may be a overflow bottle ...IS IT?

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:42:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Mike Rothe. wrote:
> Isn't that the "Optikleen" windshield washer bottle? Before the plastic
> jobbies...

Sort of. My '64 had one. I don't know when they stopped using them, in '66
or '67 I think. It wasn't the actual reservoir that the pump sucked fluid
from, but a spare refill. I bought one of these from a guy in Hemmings a
while back to give to my brother for his Corvair, a NOS one still filled.
It contained clear alcohol that you mixed with water. Presumably back
then it wasn't as easy to buy the premixed stuff as it is today, so they
gave you a supply to carry around.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:41:24 -0400
From: "Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: wheel fitment on a g-body

<Snip>

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:01:24 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  RE: wheel fitment on a g-body

Gary,
What size rims did you use with those 255 60 15's???

<GJC>

Special order A.R. Outlaw II's 15" x 8"

- ----Regards,

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:40:23 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

>afternoon...while I was there installing solid motormounts and a tourque
>strap, 

abit redundant I think..

a triangular shaped bottle with a rusted out screw on
cap is an opticlean bottle for windshield wiper  juice.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:41:42 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

All of my Buicks ('64&'65 Skylarks) have/had these. It's for carrying
spare washer fluid. 

Jim...

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:09:03 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle and a question

>while I was there installing solid motormounts and a tourque
>strap,


Uuhhhhhh..........why the need for solid mounts and a torque strap?


The bottle is the spare container of opticlean (opticlear? opti something)
washer solvent.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:20:49 EDT
From: JBFreak23@aol.com
Subject: removal from list

Please remove my name from this list.  I dont think you can help with an
antique 1940 Oldsmobile.  Thanks anyway!
JBFreak23@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:28:55 -0400
From: "Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Eibach springs

<Snip>

Subject: Re: Eibach springs

Igor,

    I have a limited experience with these springs.  I installed a set with
Monroe GP shocks on a friends 85 Mustang GT back in 93.  The difference in
handling was unbelievable!

<GJC>

I just finished putting Eibach's Pro-Kit springs on Quincy and as your last
line said. "Unbelievable". Dropped about 1.75" in height stature. What
seemed to be at least 5" of stock suspension travel when depressing fender
fully down is now about 1". Like a rock. Yet when driving, deflect
adequately to smooth the road. Massive flat cornering with the polygraphite
bushings all around including the sway bars. Do expect a far, far stiffer
ride. I think mine were $319 with shipping from a place on Long Island NY.
Only place I found them in stock. Eibach dosn't sell direct.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:14:24 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Olds and sexy women in a movie

So that movie Practical Magic is out now.  When I saw the previews for it
a couple of months ago, I noticed that Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman
drve a 70ish Cutlass Convertible in it.  Cool!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:59:44 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

cheesblock preheating hold-down unit.  An option available during the big
cheese craze of the early 60's that allowed a cheese conniseur to
maintain a moist cheeseblock during the drive to a wine and cheese
gathering.  Something that m&rc#de$ offered all the way up until the mid
80's.  

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:19:56 EDT GT5726@aol.com writes:
>     I have just returned from a bizzare trip to a friends house this
>afternoon...while I was there installing solid motormounts and a 
>tourque
>strap, I asked the old man( a Oldsmobile buff from wayyy back!) what 
>the funny
>looking little bracket was for on the front of the passengers side 
>fender
>well. He laughed and said hold on a minute and went into the shop. 
>When he
>came back out he had a triangular shaped bottle with a rusted out 
>screw on
>cap. He then proceded to snap this glass bottle (which fit like a 
>glove) into
>this bracket ( I used to use it to hold my Maglite). When I asked him 
>what it
>was for ...he said,"dunno". He said he snagged it from a rusted heap 
>of a '62
>out in a feild in Forney Tx., but has no idea what its for...WHAT IS 
>IT? I
>think that it may be a overflow bottle ...IS IT?
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:12:31 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Inner fender scrape, non-list-exclusive

Hi list!  
So the inner fender sheet metal on my Olds is kind of wrinkled up and
juts in toward the center of the car at certain places.  Because of this,
the tire scrapes it and gets slices in it when I go over/in/through a dip
in the road.  The car drops down, and the fender hits the tire.  /since
it's just sheet metal, it could easily be banged back to straightnss and
the problem would be solved, but my outer fender is the concern.  If I
bang inside too hard, I'll put protruding dents in my fender.  How can I
straighten out the inside without banging up the outside?  Any ideas? 
Thanks.  In case I didn't explain this well, see the picture below. 
Imagine you are hovering over the car and there is no hood and nothing
blocking your sight to the tire and  the ground...

                               tire_____  inner.v 
                                         __|_____ (  | <-----outer
                                         |               |(  |
                                         |               /  |
                                         |              {   |
                                         |               }  |
                                         |              {   |
                                         |               \  |
                                         |               ||   |
                                         |               {   |
                                         |________)  |

                                                   tire scrapes wavy
inner fender!

Thanks all!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:37:33 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Triangle Mystery....

I am sure surprised to hear the answer...haha...I spoke to my Father-in-
law(the original owner) an even he said "dunno" when I asked him what it was.
I guess he was too cheap to buy windsheild washer fluid refills from a GM
dealer...haha! I wonder if these bottles have any collector value, as I
certainly will not keep it in the car. I'm sure it couldn't survive the shock
of weekend bracket racing. Thanks for the responses I recieved from you folks.
I was flabbergasted by this bottle.....Again, another neat little experience
from the Olds. On the original post, I said "solid motor mounts and torque
strap" and one person said that it was redundant...well, I guess I should have
said "semi-solid" as the new motor mounts are Polyurethane. I also installed a
poly transmision mount. I am very impressed with the solidity of the new
mounts. I can really feel the reaction time getting better already!

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:51:55 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: How should I deal with buying parts through the net?

Hi all,
	I have found a person with a part I need via email.  What is the
standard way to buy the piece from him?  Is there a way to do C.O.D.
from the States to Canada?

	I am inclined to offer to send 1/2 that cost of the piece as goodwill
and then pay the rest plus shipping when I receive it but I have not
offered this yet so I'm not sure if they would accept that.

	Any ideas?

Cliff Simpson
'69 442/400/th400/3.23p (Kermit)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:00:01 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: bucket seat question .....

This one is for the interior Guru's ......

            The bucket seats in my 67' coupe are not original and are not
the same
as in my 67' drop top. There is no release button and the pattern of the
pleats is wrong - horizontal pleats with a vertical pleat in the center -
also
the front mounting feet have a "U" notch as apposed to a pair of holes.
Any ideas ?????? - I can give more details ................

Tanks
The General       patton@comcat.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:23:13 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Wide tires on front of A-body

>> Any source for hot deals for BF Goodrich Radial TAs in Chicago or via
>>mail order?

I just got a pair of 245/60-15 BFGs at Costco for $60 each.   Assume the
price would be the same nation wide.  They will special order them if not
in stock.   This is as cheap as i've ever seen them anywhere and no
shipping costs.  Also, mount and balance is only 7 bucks.  The 245s bulge
noticably wider than the wheel, i.e. they look like they're getting a bit
wide for a  7 inch rim.    IIRC, Joe Padavano has had 255s work for him.
Joe?

hans in el segundo

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:16:53 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: engine weight

Does anyone know what the typical 350 weighs.  I'm looking at engine stands
and trying to figure out if I need one rated at 750lbs or 1250lbs.  Thanks

Tim
'68 Delmont
'76 Cutlass Street STock

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:10:35 -0400
From: "Chris Smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:27:28 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Chris

Do you want to sell a 442


^^^^^
Was this directed to me?  If so please reply to me privately, I'm on digest
mode and I'm about a week or two behind.  Sorry, I should have stated this.
And the ~remains~ of my 4-4-2 parts car will be for sale .... eventually
.. whenever I have the rear quarters and trunk floor put on my W-31

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
work: csmetana@onexinc.com
home: chris@abcs.com

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:34:59 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: engine weight

On Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:17 PM, SHELTERMEN@aol.com 
[SMTP:SHELTERMEN@aol.com] wrote:
> Does anyone know what the typical 350 weighs.  I'm looking at engine stands
> and trying to figure out if I need one rated at 750lbs or 1250lbs.  Thanks

It's less than that, 560 lbs.  Nevertheless, there's usually only a $50 
difference or so between 
the two models, so the money would probably be well invested in the stronger 
one.  Many times, the 
"lighter" stands only have 3 wheels.  Applying a tip from the farm: never buy 
a tricycle-style 
tractor...they tip easily.  Most of the heavier stands have 4 wheels, much 
studier I'd think.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:14:36 -0500
From: texas442 <texas442@flash.net>
Subject: RE:71-72 core support wanted

It is important to point out that the '71 & '72 core supports are not
100% identical.  You can use a '72 core support on a '71 Cutlass or 442,
but you can NOT use a '71 core support on a '72 Cutlass with the
"Supreme" grills (OK to use it on '72 442).  The 1972 Supreme grills
curves around and wraps inward just before the headlights.  For this
reason, the '72 core support has two notches (or humps) that are
required to clear these 72 "Supreme" Grills.  They are located just
above the Hi-beam and about an inch toward to center of the car. 
Anyway, this information is only significant for the '72 Supreme owners
(and the '72 H/O since they use the same grills).  These cars must use
the '72 Core support.

Ali
http://www.flash.net/~texas442/

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:06:53 -0500
From: bloom@mail.gorilla.net
Subject: He Scores!!!

Hello all. A while ago I wrote the list that here in the Tulsa,OK area '67
Cutlass and 442 parts
were scarce. So, I have been watching the papers pretty close for a "parts"
car.

Well, I found one. The add said there was an extra engine and the car "runs
good". So I call the 
guy up and he tells me the car belongs to his uncle but he can't drive
anymore. He says the body
is straight and if I want, I can drive it. So I go a 'callin.

The car is a '67 Cutlass S! It has a '72 350ci with the jetaway tranny. PS,
PB and AC. It's a 
Club Coupe(post) with black vinyl interior, front bench seat. It has the
original Am/Fm radio!
The paint is gold with the top white(no vinyl top). It came with an extra
rear bumper! Also, the 
original 330ci. He pulled the 330ci because it was smoking and put in the
350ci.

On the down side, there is one rust hole on the bottom of right fender and
another on bottom
of right quarter panel. The head liner has one small hole, although the
rest is in excellant shape.
The AC compressor, condensor, hoses and air vents are missing. The rear
bumper has a small dent(thus
the extra one). The paints pretty faded(but for the price I expected it). 

All in all, I'm real glad to have found this car and to have bought it. The
car is really in to 
good a shape to part it, so I guess I'll have to keep looking for a "parts"
car. :)

Fred K. (bloom@gorilla.net)
Tulsa,OK. area
'67 442
'67 Cutlass S
'67 Cutlass
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		44   44  44   44   2  2
		4444444  4444444   2  2
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:11:37 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: bucket seat question .....

>There is no release button and the pattern of the
>pleats is wrong - horizontal pleats with a vertical pleat in the center -
>also the front mounting feet have a "U" notch as apposed to a pair of
>holes.


I'm no guru, but it sounds like you are describing a bucket out of a '66.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:12:46 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: bucket seat question .....

General

    Yep. I know what they are. They are 66 Cutlass or 442 buckets. 67 was
the first year the seat back release was required. The U shaped front
indicates earlier than 67 also. My 66 is the same way.

Jim Chermack

- -----Original Message-----
From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:06 PM
Subject: bucket seat question .....


>
>This one is for the interior Guru's ......
>
>            The bucket seats in my 67' coupe are not original and are not
>the same
>as in my 67' drop top. There is no release button and the pattern of the
>pleats is wrong - horizontal pleats with a vertical pleat in the center -
>also
>the front mounting feet have a "U" notch as apposed to a pair of holes.
>Any ideas ?????? - I can give more details ................
>
>Tanks
>The General       patton@comcat.com
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:13:41 -0400
From: "Jim & Joanne Chermack" <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: engine weight

Tim

    Typical 350 weighs approx. 595 lbs.

Jim Chermack

- -----Original Message-----
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com <SHELTERMEN@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:19 PM
Subject: engine weight


>Does anyone know what the typical 350 weighs.  I'm looking at engine stands
>and trying to figure out if I need one rated at 750lbs or 1250lbs.  Thanks
>
>Tim
>'68 Delmont
>'76 Cutlass Street STock
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:31:13 -0400
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: G-body list?

If the G-Body folks go away, they will be missed. Much of what we share
here is generic Oldsmobile knowledge and fellowship. I don't see that as
being body style dependant.

But, God bless.

drc

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:20:14 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: engine weight

At 10:16 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what the typical 350 weighs.  I'm looking at engine stands
>and trying to figure out if I need one rated at 750lbs or 1250lbs.  Thanks
>
>
the 750lb unit will hold it fine ,,, but.
750lb stands usually have 3 wheels and the heavier ones have 4 wheels.
It's no fun torqueing heads or a dampner with a 3 wheel stand

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:27:39 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

At 08:19 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>     I have just returned from a bizzare trip to a friends house this
>afternoon...while I was there installing solid motormounts and a tourque
>strap, I asked the old man( a Oldsmobile buff from wayyy back!) what the
funny
>looking little bracket was for on the front of the passengers side fender
>well. He laughed and said hold on a minute and went into the shop. When he
>came back out he had a triangular shaped bottle with a rusted out screw on
>cap. He then proceded to snap this glass bottle (which fit like a glove) into
>this bracket ( I used to use it to hold my Maglite). When I asked him what it
>was for ...he said,"dunno". He said he snagged it from a rusted heap of a '62
>out in a feild in Forney Tx., but has no idea what its for...WHAT IS IT? I
>think that it may be a overflow bottle ...IS IT?
> 
I had a '66 Mercury Park-Lane with a simular glass bottle. 
is was filled with pink washer fluid, and used for mixing with water in the 
winter, so the winshield washer wouldn't freeze.
back before premix was .99 a gal at K-mart :)

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:39:50 -0400
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Radio Dial Lights

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> 
> Is "grain-of-wheat" a trade name or do these have a more "official"
> name/number? 

A generic term for itty bitty light bulbs, with wire leads and no
sockets. 

>Don't suppose these's any chance RS would have them?

They certainly used to. 6 volt and 12 volt.

> Do they just slide out of the connector? These
> didn't seem to want to leave. I did notice 2 tiny metal "fingers"  exiting
> from the center base of the connector that bent 90 degrees around the
> bottom edge, do they enter into removal at all?

uhhh...connector? "grain-of-wheat" bulbs have flexible leads that are
soldered in place. No connector. Perhaps the bulbs you have are special
for the radio. Most bulbs either screw in, or have bayonette type bases
that push in and twist (like tiny versions of parking lights). Shadio
Rack may still be a good source once you figger how to get em out.

drc

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:28:16 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> I thought that 7a heads were on all 70-72 350's?  I'm no expert in this
> field by any means, but whenever I looked in any manuals or anything for
> info about my heads (72 350 7a's), 70 thru 72 were always one group...
>

- ------------------------------------

> All 1970 350's use #6 heads.
> >2 barrel and standard 4 barrel heads
> >have 1.880" intake valves and 1.567" exhausts.
> >W-31's were fitted with 2" intakes and 1.625" exhausts.
> >
> >The same info applies to #5's.
> >Which were used on 1968-1969 350's.
> >
> >Greg Rollin

Ray,

Nope, they're not all the same.
Here's the rest of the story regarding 70-72 350 heads.


All 1971 350's use #7 heads.
All have 1.880" intake valves and 1.567" exhausts.

All 1972 350's use #7A heads.
All have 1.880" intake valves and 1.622" exhausts.

Valve springs were also different depending
on application.  Beginning with the #6 heads,
rotator style spring retainers were used on the
intake and exhausts. Except on the exhaust of #7's.
The 71 and newer heads also feature hardened
valve seats as they were the first of the "unleaded"
heads.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:43:42 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Does the 72 Cutlass have the same cam whether a 2 bbl or 4 bbl?

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:55:44 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

>All 1972 350's use #7A heads.
>All have 1.880" intake valves and 1.622" exhausts.
>

These 7a heads ("a" meaning unleaded heads) 
shouln't be confused with late 7A 307 heads.

this is preatty easy to do if the heads are of the engine.
little a= good, big a= bad :)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:25 -0400
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: finishing a paint job!

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if any of you Olds freaks could help me with suggestions for
> polishing out a slightly orange pealed paint. I just recently painted my 65
> Cutlass with Ditzler Delstar Acrylic Enamel

Enamel takes a long time to cure. The use of hardeners greatly speeds
the process, but I'd still wait at least 30 days before trying to sand
or buff.

I would skip wet sanding unless there's flaws you want to remove. If the
paint tears into little balls when you wet sand, it's still not cured
enough. Use the finest grit you can get away with to get the job done -
1200 or 1500 usually is ok.

ASK YOUR PAINT SUPPLIER WHAT POLISHING COMPOUND IS RECOMMENDED FOR THAT
PAINT. Don't guess.

> amatuer? I have been told by the paint supplier, that I purchased my supplies
> from, that I wouldn't need to "rub out" my paint when finished,

The whole point of using enamel. Slow drying, self leveling, dries to a
high gloss without buffing. If you're an expert, that is. And have a
clean environment.

> I am too cheap
> (really, the truth is I enjoy working on the car too much) to pay for someone
> else to perform work on my car, 

Took me 3 tries and half the Summer to paint 3 panels on my Delta this
year. Hadn't painted in 15 years, and had to learn it all over again.
Some $350 in materials alone. MAACO coulda painted the whole car for
that. Sniffed a lot of paint fumes. Had a great time. And looks like
this:

http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/drc/delta.jpg


drc

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:53:46 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> It contained clear alcohol that you mixed with water.

Yep. That was the mix. Alcohol and water.  Nothing like a good
flammable liquid stored in a glass bottle located under the hood!


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:03:32 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Wide tires on front of A-body

IIRC, Joe Padavano has had 255s work for him.
Joe?
______

Yupper.  Got 'em on all four corners of the H/O, on the original 15 x 7
wheels.  No rubbing problems at all.  I personally don't think the tires
are too wide for the rim; BFG recommends 6.5" to 10" wide rims for the
255s.  The local Costco stores have a neat BFG tire booklet that lists
dimensional and engineering data for all their passenger tire sizes and
lines (there's a similar booklet for the truck tires).  It's about 3" by 7"
and free for the asking.  The passenger car tire booklet is orange, the
truck booklet green.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:55:52 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Triangle shaped bottle?????!!!!?!

> Isn't that the "Optikleen" windshield washer bottle? Before the plastic
> jobbies...

Sort of. My '64 had one. I don't know when they stopped using them, in '66
or '67 I think. It wasn't the actual reservoir that the pump sucked fluid
from, but a spare refill....

Greg Beaulieu
__________

Greg's absolutely correct.  My 66, for example, has a plastic reservoir and
an optikleen bottle (well, actually, the bracket).  The Paddock now sells
repros of these bottles, and many of the decal vendors sell the decal for
the bottle.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:15:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: engine weight

I had a 350 olds on a 750 lb stand.  It was fine as a long block but
bent more as I added accesories.

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:25:41 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Piston Rings Seating Period

I have a 455 with about 2100 miles on it. I have the plasma moly rings on
it. I was told that it takes about 3000 miles for those rings to seat
completely. I check my oil level and it may be a 1/2 quart low after about
1000 miles. Is this true?


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:25:24 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: parts wanted

I am looking for right/left door panels and armrest bases for my 70 Delta 88 
Conv. Manual windows and door locks, color white, interior manual mirror 
control on drivers side only. If you know of or have anything that would work 
I would appreciate an email to beastmaster@earthlink.net

Bruce Camilli
1970 Delta 88 Conv. 350 Rocket
1975 Delta 88 Royale Conv. 455 Rocket

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:14:55 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> >All 1972 350's use #7A heads.
> >All have 1.880" intake valves and 1.622" exhausts.
> >
>
> These 7a heads ("a" meaning unleaded heads)
> shouln't be confused with late 7A 307 heads.
>
> this is preatty easy to do if the heads are of the engine.
> little a= good, big a= bad :)


Thanks for the clarification Bob, you are correct.
I'll admit a lack of knowledge regarding the 307's
(too new for me).

Although the "A" as used on the 1972 heads is in fact an
upper case "A" (rather than an "a"), it is smaller than
the #7 cast on the head.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:30:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: pictures...

For lack of anything better to do tonight... I scanned and posted some
pictures... there's some old pics. of Lucille... and my buddie's '83...
and some other stuff... there's some pics of the big snow this past winter
(in East Tennessee)... there's even a pic of the never-before-seen
DRIVER'S side of Lucille... o'course there's a reason why I've never
posted it before... anyways thought some of you might be interested...
There's some pics of Lucille when we were first putting the 350 in her...
btw, the date is wrong... should be '96 not '89!                     
 
http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/stuff/
 
They are BIG pics though... but on a fairly fast site...


    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:34:43 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 70 heads

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:

> Does the 72 Cutlass have the same cam whether a 2 bbl or 4 bbl?

All 350 automatic 72 Cutlass' use cam #400084
350 4bbl manual trans. 72 Cutlass' use cam #402486*

* Check out our 72 Cutlass S 350 4 bbl, 4 speed at:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/photos/72/72CUTLA.html


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:57:21 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Tri-Carb info

Thanks!

- ----Original Message Follows----
Date:	Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:15:41 -0700
From:	Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: More Tri-Carb info
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca



Norm Baier wrote:

> Joe,
>
> Good point. Where can the jetting specs be found... anyone?
>
> Norm Baier
> Woodstock, GA
>

Norm,The 66 4-4-2 Tri-Carb used #68 jets in the front and
rear carbs.  And #63's in the center carb.
These are the 60 degree, long taper style of 2 bbl jets.

- --------------------------------------------------------------


> Padavano.Joe wrote:

> Yes, you'll need to remove the choke mechanism from the end carbs.

You'll also need to do something about the idle circuits on the
front and rear carbs.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com





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