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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, October 19 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1560



Re: Parts for Sale
Re: Edelbrock Torker
Re: choke question
1970 98 Convertible Sheet Metal
Re: 4 Sale
Re: Observation
Die cast replica - 1974 and others
Re: 4 Sale
cowl screen
Power Tour East
Re: wiring
Re: cowl screen
Re: Carb rebuild
FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
FOR SALE 1985 442 
FOR SALE 1985 442
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
Re: cowl screen
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
RE: What year model seats are in my '68 442???
Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442
Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442
Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00
Looking - 98 Bravada...
UNBOUNCE: '69 Cutlass FS
Re: cowl screen
Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00
RE: Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale
Re: Checking on you
Re: cowl screen
UNBOUNCE: '98 Bravada Needs New Home
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others
Re: cowl screen
Re: cowl screen
Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00.....CoolBernie
Re: timing adjust problems
electric fuel pumps
Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442
Re: Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale
Carpet Installation
'59 Super 88 For Sale (fwd)
NON-OLDS: Read this if you dare!
Re: postings
Re: wiring
Thornton Motors
Re: timing adjust problems
selling bucket seats, cheap
Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00
Re: electric fuel pumps
RE: electric fuel pumps
Re: Cruise Control Fix?
Will they fit? (Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)
Re: 66 cutlass
Engine for sale
Re: Observation
Re: Will they fit? (Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)
Re: Parts book
Comment!
Re: Thornton Motors
Convt. Quarters?
Re: Engine for sale......why?
Re: Convt. Quarters?
Re: Thornton Motors
Driveline question???
UHHH, Ray?
New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:37:59 EDT
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts for Sale

I'M INTERESTED IN THE CONVERTIBLE TOP LATCHES FOR A '71 CUTLASS SUPREME.
PLEASE SEND ME MORE INFO.  THANKS.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:43:04 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Torker

My buddy has a Torker on his 455 and DOES NOT like it. Mondello built a 455
with the JM 4-5 cam and put an EDELBROCK PERFORMER on it. This motor was
featured in CAR CRAFT. The cam was a very aggressive cam but still he only
went with the Edelbrock Performer. The Torker makes its power too high, you
want to spin an Olds motor low, it is not a Chevy motor.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Shang <shang@wans.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Edelbrock Torker
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 10:59 PM
> 
> Is anyone running the Torker intake on a relatively mild 455? I am
> particularily interested in what effect the manifold had on the low-end.
> On my 350 - I installed a Performer RPM and I felt that it took quite a
> bit from me on the low end. I am wondering if the 455 has enough low-end
> that the Torker will not greatly effect low-speed driveability. 
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Supreme

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:49:18 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: choke question

Tamraz  sells the choke thermostat for '68 - '69 Cutlass (part#OC1206Z) and
it
is priced at $75 which leads me to believe it is the older style -
anyone care to verify?
__________

That's correct, 68-69 style is the divorced choke - coil is in a small
sheetmetal box on the manifold.  The 66-67 cars used a similar coil, but
they are not interchangeable (the 66-67 chokes have an actuating rod which
is oriented closer to horizontal; the 68-69 coils have a rod which is
almost vertical).

==============

I know the late model style electric chokes are readily available and I
think you could retro that onto your '67 without too much trouble if
functionality is more important than orignality.
____________

Yes and no.  Unfortunately, the electric choke conversions (and the OEM
coils, for that matter) all are designed to replace an integrated
thermostatic choke coil - the round black plastic unit mounted on the side
of the carb.  Unfortunately, with the divorced choke setup, there is no
housing on the carb into which you can install this electric conversion.
The only choices in this case are:

1)   Find a correct divorced choke coil

2)   Install a manual choke

3)   Install a later carb with an integral choke and use an electric
conversion

4)   Retrofit the original carb with an integral choke housing and then use
an electric conversion (note that this will require a parts carb and still
may not be possible).

What is the problem with the original divorced choke coil?  Is the coil
broken, or is it just rusted up and thus frozen?  I've actually been able
to free these units with a liberal soaking in WD-40, followed by working
the unit back and forth until it moves freely.  You may want to try this
first before the more radical and expensive solutions.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:17:18 -0400
From: "Greenwood, Jim W" <GreenwoodJW@state.gov>
Subject: 1970 98 Convertible Sheet Metal

I'm preparing to repaint my 98 and considering replacing rusted sheet metal
vice repairing.  I'm trying to track down info on compatibility of 98 metal
from other years.

Specifically, I am seeking a trunk lid and left front quarter panel.  A junk
yard here in Virginia had several examples of the 70 98, but they all
exhibited the same rust patterns.  I did find a 69 98 with clean metal, but
short of trial and error, don't know if the pieces will fit properly.  

Info on the full bodies is scarce, so any help will appreciated.  I am also
open to new stamps, but the vendors I've checked only offer Cutlass pieces.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 07:41:12 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 4 Sale

dclover@epix.net wrote:

> Did anyone else check out the photo that goes with the ad??   Very
> strange body lines for a 70 Cutlass!

Yes I did.  It is probably the wrong picture.  It looks like a Pontiac
with
those tall head-lights.

- -- 
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:37:04 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Observation

Right on, I'm 22, so It'll be a while till I match up with my 72 Olds
98!

On another note, do you know your posting in HTML??

With my mail, you can turn this off by selecting Edit | Preferences |
Mail & Groups | Messages , then un-checking the
by-default-send-HTML-messages.

Thanx

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/eric.shtml


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:14:16 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

At Wal-mart, there is a 74 H/O convertible (don't believe Olds made a
conv. in 74) Pace car die cast replica available. I believe it's about
3.5 inches long. $3.99. I don't see many die-cast models of the
mid-seventies stuff, so I thought I'd pass along the info for anyone
interested in collecting. The brand was "Johnny Lightning." They also
make a 69 H/O replica.

There's another 69 replica carried in the same section at Walmart, KMart
and Target stores. I don't recall the manufacturer, but it is available
in red, white, and blue (not a combination of the three). It also is 3.5
inches long. Promoted by Motor Trend on the box.

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass convertible
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:14:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 4 Sale

Yes I did.  It is probably the wrong picture.  It looks like a Pontiac
with those tall head-lights.

- --
Chris Sparks
_______

It's actually a 63-ish Riviera.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:18:09 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: cowl screen

Would someone let me know if the cowl screens offered by Year One and
Brothers are a correct replacement for a 1969 Cutlass? It is a three
piece screen, rather than the one piece screen I just pulled from the
car. Mine resembles a screen cut from a screen door, and the ones in the
catalogs look more like a molded three-piece plastic set that fit the
three holes being covered on the cowl.

Thanks!
Mike Baugher
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:22:45 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Power Tour East

Hey all,

Went to the kick off of the H.R. Power Tour East In Ayer, Mass on
Saturday.  Not a bad turn out for the area.  Managed to see a 70 4-4-2,
a couple cutlasses and something that held my attention completely.
There was a gentleman there who had a what I believe was a 1970 442,
W-30 wagon...being 1 of 2 made from the factory.  It was all original in
unrestored comdition.  Orange paint, 455, TH400, all the good stuff.
Does anyone know anything about these oddities?  Take care.

Daniel R. Gerow

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:21:50 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: wiring

Michele Brown wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm new to the list.  My husband and I are rebuilding a 72 Cutlass

Welcome to the list.  I like you already, because obviously BOTH of you
are people of class, breeding and distinction.  My wife loves them also
but only gets really interested after I buy and/or get one of the
current flock running.

> Supreme.  We love this car to death, .....short of a nuke is gonna kill it. 

Yes they are quite difficult to kill.  Possible but it takes a lot of
effort.

> appreciated.  It dosen't matter if it goes down to component level. (
> I am an electronics tech and can read almost anything.)

A woman to be appreciated for sure.  If you weren't already married, you
would undoubtedly have numerous proposals from list members in a very
short time period.  I have a daughter that is a potential gearhead, but
at this point she is more interested in driving something cool, like one
of my ragtops, than working on them much.  She does enjoy going junking
for parts and/or cars with me though.  She and her sister have already
divided up my older babies.  I'm just not ready to kick the bucket and
let them have them yet.  

Glad you could join in.  Trust me.  If the wiring diagrams are available
someone in this group will have it.  You won't believe what is available
here.  Good luck.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:26:07 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: cowl screen

Would someone let me know if the cowl screens offered by Year One and
Brothers are a correct replacement for a 1969 Cutlass? It is a three
piece screen, rather than the one piece screen I just pulled from the
car.
________

Funny you should ask.  I've never actually seen an original Olds with the
plastic cowl screens as offered by the repro houses.  Every one I've ever
owned has had the metal mesh screen you describe.  I'm not aware of any
repros of the metal screen, which usually gets torn when the raised area
over the wiper motor arm is pushed down and cut by the wiper.
Unfortunately, this size of mesh screen is not readily available in
hardware stores - I'd be interested in a source if anyone has found one.
Note also that the original screen is steel, not aluminum as are most
hardware store screens.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:32:17 EDT
From: Joeytada@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carb rebuild

Thanks Mike

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:36:47 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442

MUST SELL
1985 Cutlass 442 in mint condition. Going into the service need to sell
immediately

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:34:47 EDT
From: Joeytada@aol.com
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

The '74 pace car H/O was a convertible.  There were only two made. Hope this
helps a little.
Keith

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:39:05 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: FOR SALE 1985 442 

Must sell

1985 CUTLASS 442 in mint condition. Going into the service NEED TO SELL
IMMEDIATELY. BEST OFFER TAKES!

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:41:22 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: FOR SALE 1985 442

Must sell

1985 CUTLASS 442 in mint condition. Going into the service NEED TO SELL
IMMEDIATELY. BEST OFFER TAKES!

LOCATED IN SUFFOLK COUNTY NY

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:52:39 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

In addition to the '74 conv (the car comes with a picture of a '74 
Cutlass conv, I assume it's custom), the new Johnny Lightning series 
includes a '70 Cutlass conv (got one for Ray Moriarty since he has a few 
of these) that is really a 442, and a '70 442 that I could not find.


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>At Wal-mart, there is a 74 H/O convertible (don't believe Olds made a
>conv. in 74) Pace car die cast replica available. I believe it's >about
>3.5 inches long. $3.99. I don't see many die-cast models of the
>mid-seventies stuff, so I thought I'd pass along the info for anyone
>interested in collecting. The brand was "Johnny Lightning." They also
>make a 69 H/O replica.


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:01:53 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

The plastic repros are correct for GTOs. I believe that they may be 
correct for the Buicks and ch*vys as well. I have owned a dozen or so 
Pontiac A bodies and can tell you DON'T use the plastic ones. The holes 
are too big and they let tons of crap through.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:10:10 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

Weren't the '74 pace car conv cars full size? This toy and the picture 
on the card were of a Cutlass.


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


>The '74 pace car H/O was a convertible.  There were only two made. 
>Hope this
>helps a little.
>Keith




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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:18:08 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: What year model seats are in my '68 442???

> 68 seats had no headrest as did later years, and the seat release is on
> the outer side of the seatback.  Year One's catalog has good, clear
> pictures of the seat covers.  (800) YEAR-ONE

Not always true, Blue442.  Headrest's were optional in '68.  My '68 442 has
headrests.

Blaine

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:20:59 -0400
From: "Michele Brown" <someone@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442

I dunno if I would suggest selling it for that reason, you're gonna want
something to drive when you get to your first duty station. (Trust me, I'm
there)
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Someone <Someone>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:30 PM
Subject: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442



MUST SELL
1985 Cutlass 442 in mint condition. Going into the service need to sell
immediately

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:27:03 -0400
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442

I've already got a vehicle there. Thank's anyway for the suggestion.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michele Brown <someone@dclink.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442


>I dunno if I would suggest selling it for that reason, you're gonna want
>something to drive when you get to your first duty station. (Trust me, I'm
>there)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>To: Someone <Someone>
>Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:30 PM
>Subject: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442
>
>
>
>MUST SELL
>1985 Cutlass 442 in mint condition. Going into the service need to sell
>immediately
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:34:14 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00

Just got back from Daytona, great race, great show, bad result. Had a blast.
Nascar needs to seriously think about getting rid of the restrictor plates.  

Tim
'68 Delmont
'76 Cutlass Street Stock

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:35:50 -0400
From: Camila de Wit <cdewit@spgboston.com>
Subject: Looking - 98 Bravada...

Dear Olds enthusiast,

I lease a 98 Green Bravada that I would like to find either an owner
for, or someone interested in taking on my lease contract.  I've owned
it for 10 months and it has 15,000 miles on it.  The car has been great,
but I'm looking to own a different type of automobile.  Anyone
interested, my email address is cdewit@spgboston.com.  I live in Allston
MA and my phone number is 617 734-4981.  Thank you.  Camila de Wit

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:42:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '69 Cutlass FS

From Ray Costanzo...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ray Costanzo <ray_in_pa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Please unbounce me!

Hey Greg,
I'm away from my rebgular email account, so could you please forward 
this to the list?

"Pretty in Pink" [ha!]
1969 Oldsmobile Delta 88 
Convertible
V8, auto, ps, pb, air, p-seat, p-lcks, p-win, 
Zebra print custom seats & fuzzy dice [ha ha!]
dual exhaust
[no price listed]
C First Choice Auto Sales
Willow Grove, PA
(215) 659-7785

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:48:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

I wanted to replace mine last spring and went thru the process of trying
to find a generic replacement. You can forget home-improvement places;
they have real big screen or real small screen, nothing in between. I
tried searching the net, and while I found one or two possibilities for
the stuff, none of it sounded like it was quite right and it was always
special-order, plus you needed to buy a massive quantity.

I gave up on that route and eventually bought a nice used one from Everett
Horton. Best move I could have made, it looked brand-new. I have never
seen a plastic one used on a Cutlass and don't think they ever were, at
least in the '68-'72 generation. 

Incidentally, the one on my '68 was totally flat, whereas all the ones
I've seen on later models had some indentations formed into them. Don't
know if my original got squashed along the way somewhere or what...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:50:14 -0400
From: "Michele Brown" <someone@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00

Tim, I wish I could've been there, had to stick to the tv version.  Gotta
agree with you on the plates though.
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Someone <Someone>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00



Just got back from Daytona, great race, great show, bad result. Had a blast.
Nascar needs to seriously think about getting rid of the restrictor plates.

Tim
'68 Delmont
'76 Cutlass Street Stock

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 11:59:42 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale

> I am selling 2 chrome rocker panel covers that go on 70-72 "A" body
> Cutlass/442. This pair is from a 72 and are in good condition. I don't
> think they sell these anywhere, so I believe they are hard to find. These
> chrome panels were an option back then and would bolt up to the rocker
> panels. If interested E-Mail me privately. I never seen these being sold
> elsewhere so the asking price of $45.00 is negotiable.

I believe that these were only available on the Supreme models.  I could be
wrong,   but those are the only ones I've ever seen them on, and actually,
every Supreme I've ever seen had them.

Blaine

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:39:24 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Checking on you

Hi Don,
	I'm sorry but this seems to have directed at the wrong
person.
I'm Cliff Simpson (up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada) and not
Chris.

	Just thought you would like to know.



Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> I was just wondering if you got back home okay.  Sure hated to see you
> leave at the time you did, but I did enjoy meeting you and running with
> you.  As you probably guessed, things are a little strange around here
> with the mother in law living with us  and all.  Not her fault but she
> does complicate things to some extent as her ideas and mine/our ideas
> don't get too close very often.  Throw in two young adult type daughters
> and life gets really interesting in many ways.  Need to do that again
> sometime and see what else is waiting on us.  Sounds like I'm searching
> for more pieces than you are, but then you've already found some of
> yours.
> 
> Get that list of parts to me and I'll see what they want for it down
> there and get back to you.  Still POed at the guy in Crab Orchard about
> changing prices.  I won't be back there unless  has something that I
> JUST CAN'T FIND elsewhere.  Believe me, I'll try a lot first though.
> Well, I better get back to work and get a couple more returns out.  With
> the interest rates on homes down, a lot of people are needing things
> from me.  Take care of yourself and get back to me on the wish list.
> Hope your trip home was uneventful and safe.  Later.........
> 
> Don

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
'69 442/400/th400/3.23p (Kermit)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:54:33 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher/MO/americancentury@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

Greg, did you paint your screen black or silver or leave it unpainted?

Thanks!
Mike

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:12:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '98 Bravada Needs New Home

Not on the list, respond to cdewit@spgboston.com if interested. The
vehicle is near Boston.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Camila de Wit <cdewit@spgboston.com>
Subject: Looking - 98 Bravada...

Dear Olds enthusiast,

I lease a 98 Green Bravada that I would like to find either an owner
for, or someone interested in taking on my lease contract.  I've owned
it for 10 months and it has 15,000 miles on it.  The car has been great,
but I'm looking to own a different type of automobile.  Anyone
interested, my email address is cdewit@spgboston.com.  I live in Allston
MA and my phone number is 617 734-4981.  Thank you.  Camila de Wit

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:25:14 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

The '74 pace car H/O was a convertible.  There were only two made. Hope
this
helps a little.
Keith
_________

Actually, "convertible" is a misnomer, as it implies the ability to put the
top up or down.  The two actual pace cars (as opposed to the replicas)
were Cutlass S-based H/Os with the top cut off except for a roll bar which
was formed by extending the "B" pillar up and over the roof.  The replicas
used a two-tone padded vinyl top to mimic the location of the roll bar.

As Brent Pinkstaff also noted, in addition to the two custom open H/O pace
cars, there were a bunch of Hurst Delta 88 convertible pace cars used in
the parade.  These were pretty much stock Deltas treated to the Hurst
graphics.  See pictures of the 74 H/O pace cars, the 74 Hurst/Delta, and
all H/O pace cars at:

http://www.hurstolds.com/photos2/

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:41:10 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Die cast replica - 1974 and others

> The '74 pace car H/O was a convertible.  There were only two made.
> Hope this helps a little.

I went looking for a photo of the car, and turned up a nice page at

http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/gregtoth/g74pace.jpg

However, this looks like a replica only, not the real pace car, since
it's a hardtop. (Come to think of it, are those Illinois plates? That
might be the car that's at the Illinois Rail Museum's event each year.)

I even went to the Indy 500 web page, where they keep a master list of 
all pace cars over the years, but somehow managed to not provide any
photos.  :-(  Looks like an okay effort, but kind of sparse, which is
a little surprising for a major outfit, IMHO. So if anyone can give a 
reference to a real '74 Pace Car photo, I'd like to see one.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:56:26 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

>I'd be interested in a source if anyone has found one.
>Note also that the original screen is steel, not aluminum as are most
>hardware store screens.

I forgot to mention it in my other reply, the screen I used was galvanized
steel.  The holes are slightly smaller than the original and only noticable
when you have them next to each other.
Once again I ended up at my local Ace Hardware which has been a hardware store
longer than the Ace franchise has existed.  Some of the big companies like
Lowes and Menards did not have a clue as to what I was talking about.  The
small hometown store will be your best bet, the longer in business the better.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:48:46 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

I don't know what Year One is selling, but you can make your own by using your
old screen as a template.  I went to the local Ace Hardware store and picked
up some screen that was real close to the original (I took a small piece of
the original with me) in size and spacing.  I believe it is just called
"hardware cloth".  I had to buy much more than I needed at the time due to the
width of the roll being narrower than my screen, so I bought a length up the
roll.  I laid it out on a sheet of plywood at home and laid the old screen on
top.  After I had both screens secured with some wood and clamps, I used a cut
off wheel in a die grinder to cut out the new piece while following the
outline of the old screen.  After it was cut out and I was satisfied with it,
I painted it with some flat black and installed it.

The thing looked like new at the time.  My car is an early 70 which used a
flat screen, while the later cars have a formed bulge above the wiper arms.
Unfortunately I know why the later cars have the bulge as I now have a slit
where one of the bolts cut the screen.  I will make another and this time turn
the bolts on the wiper arms down so it does not happen again.  If I get brave
I might consider trying to form a bulge in the next screen, but reversing the
bolts is probably safer.  Waiting on the paint to dry was the longest part of
the whole job.  An easy and cheap fix if there ever was one.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:04:24 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00.....CoolBernie

In a message dated 10/19/98 1:36:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SHELTERMEN@aol.com writes:

<< 
 Just got back from Daytona, great race, great show, bad result. Had a blast.
 Nascar needs to seriously think about getting rid of the restrictor plates.  
 
 Tim
 ' >>
Very cool Tim, never been there. Did anyone see the Buddy Baker clip?? He was
in a FD body Delta 88 in Nascar trim !!! Im a Dale Jarrett 88 and Jeff Burton
99 fan myself.  Anyone but Gordon !!!!!
Nascar fan since 82    Bernie

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:16:50 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: timing adjust problems

As for the computer, I'm not sure if its still "on" or not.  When I 
swapped engines I just unhooked all the wires on my 
carb/distrib/etc. and put in a 77 non computer 350.  I hooked up oil 
pressure, temp, volt, and tach, and hooked in my old HEI "bat" (?) 
wire onto the 77 HEI distrib on the 350.  Is this not good?  Do I 
need a different "non-computer" ignition module?  Thanks.

Joe 
82 CSC w/ 77 350   

>> When adjusting my timing, I can turn the distributor approx. 10-15
>> degrees with minimal changes in RPM at idle.  Is this normal? 

> How modified is this thing?  Is it still
>running the computerized ignition module, by chance, stuck on an 
>older HEI distributor?  Is the computer completely gone?  These 
>questions need to be addressed first, I'm afraid...

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 05:04:11 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: electric fuel pumps

Hi list.  I'd like to hear opinions about electric fuel pumps.  I've 
used Holley (not good) and Carter ones in the past.  I liked the Carter,
but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a truly quiet pump.  Thanks...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:17:05 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE 1985 CUTLASS 442

Frank Montero wrote:
> 
> MUST SELL
> 1985 Cutlass 442 in mint condition. Going into the service need to sell
> immediately


Ok Frank, in your own words....describe "mint" for the good folks on
this list.  We need a little more info than that.  Mint to me may be
something COMPLETELY different than someone else's definition.  Mileage,
rust, bondo, color, etc.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:20:32 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Chrome Rocker Panels 4sale

> I believe that these were only available on the Supreme models.  I could be
> wrong

You are 1/2 right.  Not wrong.  They DID have them in 72 on Cutlass S,
however when the 442 option was ordered, the chrome wasn't installed.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:35:24 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Carpet Installation

I am getting ready to put the carpet back in my Rallye 350 and was wondering
what the correct way to do this would be. Can anybody h*lp me out here? Do I
glue the carpet down the sound deadener? Do I duct tape the deadener to the
floor pans?
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye350
1970 Cutlass W-31
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:41:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '59 Super 88 For Sale (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: For Sale

Not sure why but this showed up in the snail-mail today:

1959 Oldsmobile Supper 88 4-Door Sedan.  52,000 original miles, original 
upolistery (?) like new.  $4200 obo.  Bill Miles, 18450 Pyllis Rd, 
Cottonwood, CA 96022  Work: 800-776-3046  Home: 530-347-4701

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:53:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: NON-OLDS: Read this if you dare!

Now that I've got your attention, please read this note.

I'm sure you're tired of the subject of reducing list traffic, but
as one of the people that suggested the new list format to Greg, I
would like to comment on this situation.  I've tried to keep this off
the list, but as others have spoken, I'd like to give my side of the
debate.  I would be happy to continue this debate with anyone in
private e-mail.  If you are against the proposed change, then I urge
you to read this note.

I've been on the list for a long time (3 years) and I've seen every
suggestion for handling this situation.  Many of these suggestions
don't consider the whole problem.  I have seen mailing lists run both
ways so I have a user perspective on both.  I also work for a large
networking company and I get to see the problems from Chebucto's point
of view.

It seems that a lot of suggestions have nothing to do with reducing
list traffic.  People, this is a problem!!  Telling others to hit the
delete key, or get a free e-mail account for list traffic only, etc, etc,
does not address the problem.

WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE?

We have several interrelated problems that we are trying to solve.

1) The amount of list traffic was getting out of hand.  Regardless
of how you read it (realtime or digest), it was a lot.

2) Chebucto, from time to time, was
experiencing server problems and our cozy little list is somewhat to
blame.  When people talk about waste of bandwidth, it may seem that
this statement doesn't apply to you.  Where this applies is on Chebucto's
server(s).  For each message sent to the list, the Chebucto server
must then send that message to each user on the list, plus the digest
that gets sent out to another large group of users.  A simple "me too"
response generates literally hundreds of messages that the server must
spend it's time sending out.  Chebucto is not charging anyone for the
server resources that we are using.  As long as we go unnoticed by
them, they will probably host this list "forever".  Sadly, we have not
gone unnoticed.  I think Chebucto is well aware of our Olds list, and
in the past, Greg has asked us to reduce traffic on the server.

3) Some people's e-mail programs do not provide the original sender's
e-mail address to the reader.  These people have their hands tied.
They have no choice but to send their responses to the entire list in
the hopes of reaching the one person that wrote the original message.

WHAT IS THE PROPOSED CHANGE?

Currently, when you "reply" to a message, the message goes to the
entire list.  If you want to send a reply to the individual author,
you have to jump through some hoops to make this happen, and for some
people this isn't possible unless the author includes their e-mail
address in the message (which shouldn't be necessary with today's
software).

The proposal is to have "replies" go to the author.  If you simply
"reply" to a message, it will send a single message to the author.
HOWEVER, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MISSED THIS POINT, GROUP-REPLIES
WILL STILL GO TO THE LIST.

I studied the Majordomo documentation before I made this suggestion to
Greg.  With this setup, the REPLY-TO address is set to the author's
e-mail address, but the "CC" address is set to the olds-list.  Most
e-mail software provides the ability to do a single "reply" or a
"group-reply" (some call this "reply-to-all").

Under the current list setup, we don't have this choice.  Group-reply
is the default, and single reply, as I said requires necessary steps,
that are not available to everyone.  Any mistakes (personal flames,
picture postings, etc) go to the whole list.

Under the proposed setup, you would have the choice.  If used
judiciously, it would be a very good thing.  In my humble opinion,
this could reduce list traffic, while adding functionality.  A mistake
made in this setup does not affect the whole list.

Under the proposed setup, replying to the list would require no more
effort than it does today.  The people that understand how to use
their e-mail would be empowered to send to the list when they feel
that the message is of general benefit.  Newbies would probably end up
doing individual replies until they got the hang of it.  This is not a
bad trade-off.

In summary, this proposal does not take away anyone's ability to send
messages to the entire list.  It merely sets the reply-to address to
the individual author, with group replies still going to the list.

Thank you for reading this far.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:01:54 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: postings

Agreed!!!!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: postings
> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 9:39 PM
> 
> if the list has to be tooooo politically correct then we better sell our
> oldss and buy geo metros and be green, 
> i mean like it is all in fun, just like lighting um up just to see black
> snakes and smoke
> 47rocket98

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:24:10 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: wiring

Michele,
Try and find an Olds manual, I found a couple at a out of town dealer who
did not throw stuff away, find some little podunk olds, GMC dealer in a
little town. those guys keep everything!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
From: Michele Brown <someone@dclink.com>
Hi, I'm new to the list.  My husband and I are rebuilding a 72 Cutlass
Supreme.  We love this car to death, and have decided to try and get it
fixed up.  In the 2 years I have been working on it with him I have learned
that nothing short of a nuke is gonna kill it.  The only problem is we are
having trouble finding a complete schematic of the electrical systems.  We
have a Chilton's Cutlass book, but the diagrams in it are not complete.  I
have spent hours online trying to find anything useful.  If anyone has any
ideas they would be greaty appreciated.  It dosen't matter if it goes down
to component level. ( I am an electronics tech and can read almost
anything.)
Thanks.
Cheli

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:25:25 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Thornton Motors

I'm just wondering if anyone in the Bucks County area knows of Thornton
Motors in Hilltown, or is it Telford?  There are always at least half a
dozen 442's sitting there.  The one guy there does nothing but restore
Oldsmobiles.  Today I stopped in and they had a 68 W-45 H/O sitting
inside.  I asked the guy about the other Oldses and how much he wanted
for them, and he said he wasn't selling them; he's going to restore all
of them.  Cool guy, even though he's bogarting all the 442's.  He does
have a 66 442 convertible at his house that he'd sell.  Also said he'd
consider selling the 68 442 convertible that was sitting at his shop. 
This car is in need of a decent amount of work, but all the original
parts are there.  He'd want about two grand for it.  

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA  

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:12:57 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: timing adjust problems

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:16:50 +0000 "Joe Gerschutz"
<gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu> writes:
>As for the computer, I'm not sure if its still "on" or not.  When I 
>swapped engines I just unhooked all the wires on my 
>carb/distrib/etc. and put in a 77 non computer 350.  I hooked up oil 
>pressure, temp, volt, and tach, and hooked in my old HEI "bat" (?) 
>wire onto the 77 HEI distrib on the 350.  Is this not good?  Do I 
>need a different "non-computer" ignition module?  Thanks.
>
>Joe 
>82 CSC w/ 77 350   
Joe,
No, you hooked it up right.  The battery lead should go to the battery
input you fire up the coil.  The solid state inginition doesn't care
about a computer.  No need to change modules.  All the computer does is
unnecessary stuff.  Do you have the computer completely out of the system
now?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:21:16 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: selling bucket seats, cheap

hi lists.
I got some bucket seats from an 86 Calais that are in decent shape.  Tey
could go in a car without first needing a reupholster or anything.  I'll
sell them both to anyone interested for $30.  I'm in northern Bucks
County PA.  I've just decided against using them; there really isn't
anything wrong with them.  see ya

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:40:56 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00

Tim, 
Said that for years, TOO many wrecks, no comp. Like WWF, phony, but the
public likes accidents and blood!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
> From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Daytona under the lights, 8:00
> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:34 PM
> 
> Just got back from Daytona, great race, great show, bad result. Had a
blast.
> Nascar needs to seriously think about getting rid of the restrictor
plates.  
> 
> Tim
> '68 Delmont
> '76 Cutlass Street Stock

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:49:21 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: electric fuel pumps

Ray, 
Used four in parallel on the pro stocker, (carters, big rascals), good
volume, noisy as hell!  Probably either noisy or non-productive. End of my
limited knowledge!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
  
 > Hi list.  I'd like to hear opinions about electric fuel pumps.  I've 
> used Holley (not good) and Carter ones in the past.  I liked the Carter,
> but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a truly quiet pump.  Thanks...
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass
> Bucks County, PA

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:59:11 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: electric fuel pumps

I've used them in emergencies only. Very noisy. After the emergency was
over, I went straight back to stock. I gave the pump an undignified finish
by simply clipping off it's power wire. 
cf

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:14:51 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cruise Control Fix?

Jason

I asked about the speedometer because when I start the car the speedometer
jumps to about 50 mph, and then goes back to normal.

Monkey

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:24:55 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Will they fit? (Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)

Ray Costanzo wrote:
> 
> hi lists.
> I got some bucket seats from an 86 Calais that are in decent shape.  Tey
> could go in a car without first needing a reupholster or anything.  I'll
> sell them both to anyone interested for $30.  I'm in northern Bucks
> County PA.  I've just decided against using them; there really isn't
> anything wrong with them.  see ya

Anyone know if these'd fit in a '70 A-body with a bench?

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*************
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mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:20:17 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 cutlass

In a message dated 10/17/98 4:30:21 PM EST, trollins@rfci.net writes:

<< Selling my 66 Cutlass=$800.00 >>
What kind of condition is your cutlass in? Why only $800?

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:23:07 -0400
From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
Subject: Engine for sale

Found this on the net, just thought I would pass it along. I like the fact it 
is an Olds motor with Chevy heads :-) I
have no affiliation with this whatsoever.

FOR SALE - 441 cubic inch, outlaw late model engine, TICO built, Olds block, 
735 HP, Diamond custom pistons, LA
Enterprises billet crank, Oliver billet rods, 18 degree chevrolet heads. Only 
50 laps plus dyno time. $24,000 or best
offer. Days call 219.357.5172, ask for Butch. toliver@marcpro.net (V10N23)

 470" ci KB Olds #6041 fresh Johnson heads.  All new parts, pistons, crank, 
rods & cam, fresh 14:71 Hi-Helix
Littlefield, Enderle Buzzard Catcher, New dual mallory mags, Zoomies, complete 
motor.  Ready to race $25K. CONTACT:
(512) 289-1988. TX.

Jason Labay  Akron, OH jlabay@neo.lrun.com
http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:20:25 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Observation

Sorry * 1,000,000

Meant as private post....

Perhaps we copuld group a set of screen-prints on how to shut-off HTML
for variuos Mail Programs.

I will volunteer Netscape Messenger screen prints on-line, and host
other ones as submitted??

Just email the screen prints (4-bit GIF's, please if you can) to me, and
I'll try and post them reasonably speedy.


Eric wrote:
> 
> Right on, I'm 22, so It'll be a while till I match up with my 72 Olds
> 98!
> 
> On another note, do you know your posting in HTML??

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:27:35 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Will they fit? (Re: selling bucket seats, cheap)

Matt, 
They will, carpeting will suck. Will see the holes.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:39:07 EDT
From: Monkey2351@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts book

Greg

At the Atlantic City car show there are many manuals and books on all cars.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:06:41 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Comment!

Think there are some damn nice people on this list!!!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:24:05 EDT
From: Juz440@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thornton Motors

Thorton is in Telford, Pa.  What does Bogarting mean?

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:19:29 -0400
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Convt. Quarters?

'70 - '72 442Convt:  Has anyone used the aftermarket convertible
quarters offered by Year One and others?  I'd like to know if they fit
well or if alot of massaging was needed to mate up to the original
lines. I'd actually only want to do an outer lip replacement but can't
fine anyone who reproduces these pieces only.


TIA,

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:45:42 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine for sale......why?

In a message dated 10/19/98 7:28:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jlabay@neo.lrun.com writes:

<<  I like the fact it is an Olds motor with Chevy heads :-) I >>
Why would u like that?? Why ruin a good Olds short block???!!!!!
 F-Ch*vy !!!
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:51:47 -0500
From: "John Kreitzer" <john.kreitzer@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Convt. Quarters?

All I can add to this is my Body Guy's opinion, which I respect greatly, and
he will NOT use Year Ones, or anyone else's reproduction quarters. #1,
they're all made in Taiwan, #2, they are designed to go over the existing
1/4, not to replace them, which makes for a real fun time in getting the
lines to work again. He said from now on, it's either good quality used or
NOS, the reproductions just don't cut it in his book. My/My Body Mans, $.02

John
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
To: oldslist <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 7:31 PM
Subject: Convt. Quarters?


>'70 - '72 442Convt:  Has anyone used the aftermarket convertible
>quarters offered by Year One and others?  I'd like to know if they fit
>well or if alot of massaging was needed to mate up to the original
>lines. I'd actually only want to do an outer lip replacement but can't
>fine anyone who reproduces these pieces only.
>
>
>TIA,
>
>Kevin Hoopingarner
>'70 Olds 442 W-30
>Findlay OH.
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:31:47 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Thornton Motors

Juz, 
Being old, Bogarting refers to someone hanging on a joint, (IE marijuana)
and not passing it on so all could share in the high. As in Humphey Bogart,
he always smoked a cigarette down to the nub, hence a song in the "Easy
Rider Movie" don't Bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me. Means,
" Not Sharing". Not a personal thought, I smoked one once but, I didn't
inhale!!!!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
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> From: Juz440@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Thornton Motors
> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 7:24 PM
> 
> Thorton is in Telford, Pa.  What does Bogarting mean?

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:36:29 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Driveline question???

I have obtained a TH400 to replace my tired TH350 and was not able to get
the yoke.  Does anyone know if all the BOP (Cadillac) ones are
interchangeable??????????


Corey Day
1970 Cutlass S - 455
dayc@ix.netcom.com
www.netcom.com/~dayc/

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:02:29 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: UHHH, Ray?

In a message dated 10/19/98 9:38:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<<  
 > I just need to boast for a moment.  I just race a 96ish Vette on the PA
 > turnpike, starting from about 75mph, and he could not keep up.  Ha ha
 > Vette owner, you just got smoked by a "granny" car in a top speed
 > challenge!  403's kick a$$!!  Oh, I really love my car tonight...
 > >>
Not disagreeing here, BUT, you have a 12 second g-body, that outruns 96
vettes? Just what is your top end? 
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:41:43 -0300
From: "Brian Smith" <smithclan@sprint.ca>
Subject: New member/ 455 rebuild / parts request

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This is my first time to pose questions on the mail list. I have enjoyed =
reading the material for the last couple of weeks since joining. I have =
found the info to be both informative and enjoyable albeit somewhat =
controversial at times. I have been restoring my 71 SX hardtop for =
approx.11 years now and have finally decided it's now time to rebuild =
the famous torquey rocket. It is just a little tired and it is the last =
item to detail on this rather lengthy restoration. This may be a lenghty =
posting but it's my first time.
After reading some of the engine rebuild info that is in various =
magazines and from the Olds experts I am a little overwhelmed with the =
info and am concerned with machine shops getting things right to =
compensate for the replacement items that have changed over the years, =
ie, head gasket thickness, cam choices, compression ratios etc.
My goal is to keep it basically stock - smooth, quiet and torquey but =
improve it slightly in terms of horsepower, torque, if that is possible, =
and durability - what are the best modifications to do  for cost =
effectiveness? What is a real good idea in a rebuild versus what's nice =
to have?
The 455 now has 8.5 compression, cam # 400117(562303) and "G" heads. If =
I wish to raise the compression ratio to 9.5 or so what works best? Can =
you buy 9.5 pistons and use an original NOS head gasket #404896 or do =
you buy 10 to 1 pistons or whatever is available and use an aftermarket =
thicker head gasket? Why are all the aftermarket gaskets thicker? Is =
there anything wrong with the original .025 GM gasket? I never heard of =
gas rockets in that era being hard on gaskets.
Cams- I have located an NOS cam part#562302 (409691) which was used on =
71 442s with a standard and auto with OAI along with various Olds's up =
through the 70's including 403 as a marine cam. This cam has a 286/287 =
duration and a .474/.472 lift vs. my original of 258/272 - .435/.435 =
lift. Would this be a reasonable step up in performance? I'm not =
interested in any changes to the stock valve train. Or is an aftermarket =
cam the only way to go?=20
This is going to be my winter project and I want to establish early on =
what direction to go so I can make this an enjoyable and rewarding =
excercise and to provide enough time to track down any NOS  parts that I =
will require.

Generally from what I have read, Mondello's cam spacer is a good idea =
along with a three angle valve job and ARP bolts. What about aftermarket =
valves and the larger W30 valves? - worth it or not?
Thanks for your input on this first installment.
=20
Next - Parts request
=20
I'm looking for 1 1971 Olds 8-track demo tape that Olds provided when =
you bought the 8-track option.=20
Anyone know of any 71 Cutlasses, 442's that have a SIENNA interior? I'm =
specifically looking for the deluxe co-ordinated seat belts with the =
brushed silver buckles. If  the car is a 71 and it is a brownish color =
inside that is SIENNA. Saddle is a1972 color. I have bucket seats. Also =
SIENNA floor mats would be on the wish list.- they must be nice. This is =
so Greg (small block) Beaulieu can purchase my black repo mats at a =
reasonable cost or so he thinks!
You can respond privately regarding the parts at Smithclan@sprint.ca

Hey Rocket Fans is there anything finer than listening to Steppenwolf  =
on the 8-track with your foot into the torque, hand ramming the =
dual-gate from 1st to 2nd and hearing the chirp as it hits 2nd with a =
little side step action - what a rush!. Bye for now!


Thanks, Brian Smith
Doctor of Oldsmotology
Halifax, Nova Scotia=20
Canada



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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I'm looking for 1 1971 Olds 8-track =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Anyone know of any 71 Cutlasses, =
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finer than=20
listening to Steppenwolf&nbsp; on the 8-track with your foot into the =
torque,=20
hand ramming the dual-gate from 1st to 2nd and hearing the chirp as it =
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with a little side step action - what a rush!. Bye for now!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Doctor of Oldsmotology</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Halifax, Nova Scotia </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Canada</FONT></DIV>
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