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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, October 10 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1543



Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.
Re: Did the 1979 Cutlass have a 301 engine option?  I say "no", but...
Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?)
Digital Dash in a G
connecting rods
RE: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
Clones, tuner cars, and general ranting
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section
Re: A body Motor Stance
RE: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section
Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?)
Re: Engine Rebuild
Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
Re: Did the 1979 Cutlass have a 301 engine option? I say "no", but...
Date:	Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:26:43 -0400
Re:
Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds
Re: 10-bolt rears
So Cal Olds Cars & Parts FS
Re:  Re: 86 442 production #'s  wow, fast reply
Re:  Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.
Re:  Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.
Re:  Digital Dash in a G
Re: Non-Olds related humor
Re: Digital Dash in a G
Re: codes
Re: connecting rods
Matt's Shots, S-Man, RT, funny looking cars, etc...
Re: Y2K, more digital dash
Re: connecting rods
Non-Olds (chevy 400 faq)
Re: 10-bolt rears (rpm vs mph)
Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)
Re: hood ornaments and console parts.
Re: Cruise control
Karls Rochester Page
Re: Matt's Shots, S-Man, RT, funny looking cars, etc...
RE: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
Roanoke classifieds
RE: Digital Dash in a G
10 Bolt rear discs (sorta long)
Re: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section
Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds
Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds
TH700-R4 in 72 WAS:10-bolt rears (rpm vs mph)
Re: Karls Rochester Page
Re: Karls Rochester Page
Re: Rally Pack -- definition wanted
Re: 1969 442
V-6 mounts and Thanks to E & G
Re: codes
Re: Cruise control
Re: Karls Rochester Page
RE: George/bushings for back springs 68

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:34:58 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.

Found out tonight....

If you think the water pump is bad:

TRY THE FUEL PUMP!

At least you don't have to go thru the rear to get that last bolt, but
everything on the right side of the car has to come out...

First time I've ever done a fuel pump....  4 hours..  No beer, no cigs
(too much gasoline fumes)...  I was kinda grumpy in the end.

87 307, w/ A/C...  Requires relocation of the fuel pump, and the smog
pump (I relocated that to the trash can), pulling all brackets on the
pass side of the motor, so that the top of the pump will clear. Sounds
easy enough, huh?

Added challenge:  Do it in the dark.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:33:59 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Did the 1979 Cutlass have a 301 engine option?  I say "no", 
but...

The 301 was not available in the Cutlass as a regular production option. It is
possible that Olds slipped a few in if they ran out of 305s, since lots of
weird stuff went on back in those days. I don't remember any bulletins from
Olds saying they might do that, but that was a few years ago, too.

As a sidenote, I remember getting a 260 diesel Cutlass in one time that was on
the bottom of the transport, in front of the rear duals. We had to call a
wrecker to winch it out, since it couldn't make the uphill grade over the
duals under its own power.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:38:30 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?)

Ray Costanzo wrote:

> Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass

Takin' shots at Matt's not cool man..  <G>

After all, I can't honestly say the 87 is a looker, and I own one.

I like the 86 pre-euro look better...  Looks better when you make it
mean!
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                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:40:53 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Digital Dash in a G

Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS wrote:

> Will this digital dash fit in a mid 80's G-Body?

Not without some serious butchering...

I keep forgetting, one of us G-Body owners has a Grand Prix HUD in his
82, I believe, if you want digital, I would advise that route,
otherwise, prepare to chop bigtime.
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:53:45 -0300
From: Wade M Hunt <wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: connecting rods

Is there a special tool to take the nuts of the connecting rods on a
400 block.Can`t seem to get a socket to fit.By the way how do you get a
steel bolt out of a aluminum intake.Greg Beaulieu if you are reading
this can you tell me if there is a good mechine shop near Dartmouth or
anywhere near Cape Breaton as i need to get harden seats but in my
heads.The engin hasn`t been runing for 23 years and only one piston was
stuck a little.The main bearings have white spots on them.I guest I will
replace all the bearings and rings.The engin only has 14000 miles on
it.Bought it new from GM in 1974.If this has HTML on please let me
know.Thank you.
                                 wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:26:08 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S

Todays adventure begins with a 70 Cutlass Supreme....it has
28,000 original miles,brand new motor with less than 500 miles on it.
This is a numbers matching, 2nd owner car.
_________

I assume you mean a brand new _rebuild_ on that numbers-matching original
motor, right?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:21:54 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Clones, tuner cars, and general ranting

I believe I am doing no harm to the car or to the Olds nameplate by
making it a NON-FACTORY W-30. Waht do you guys(girls also, if there are any
out there) think???
___________

Hey, it's your car, do what you want with it.  The problem I have is when a
nice documented W-30 (OK, not a convert) can be bought for $17K, why would
anyone think they can get that kind of money for a clone?  I'm sure it's a
nice car, but part of what you're paying for when you buy the real car is
it's very "factory-builtness".  This is why documented cars are worth more
than non-documented cars.  This distinction starts to get fuzzy when you
talk about tuner cars, like the Grand Spaulding Dodge cars, the
Nickey/Yenko/Motion cars, and even the H/O.  These guys were hot rodders
who figured out a way to get paid for what the rest of us do as a hobby.
What's the difference between a 69 H/O and a Cutlass with a 455 engine
swap?  OK, since we now know _those_ engines went in at the factory, maybe
this is a bad example.  A better example is the difference between a Motion
427 Camaro and a COPO car.  To me, the former is an engine swap, while the
latter is an astounding example of what can sneak out of the GM monolith
(and yes, I know Yenko eventually got COPO cars and stopped doing swaps).

...And they're off...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:07:59 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

hmmm  well the quadrajet says on the side of it Rochester Quadrajet by
Carter................FWIW..kk
___________

That's true, Carter did build Q-jets for Rochester.  However, the original
post talked about the Thermo-Quad, which was a totally different
spread-bore designed and built by Carter.  The T-Quad used a phenolic
plastic float bowl to reduce heat soak to the fuel and some other neat
things like jets retained by o-rings for quick snap-in jet changes.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:03:17 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section

Does anyone feel that a clone is worth as much as the real thing???

Vinny
________

Let me put it this way:  The "clone car" (not to be confused with "clown
car") in question has been offered for sale at $17,995 for most of this
year.  I don't yet see the line to buy it, though there's always somebody
with more money than brains.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:00:17 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: A body Motor Stance

actually guys, big block cars, in this case 70-72 cutlasses did use a
different frame pad. it was shorter than the small block. dont know why.
but
ive had quite a few 442s and other factory big block cutlasses, just my
$.02
_________

That's right.  That's why if you use a big block motor mount on the taller
small block frame mount, the engine will sit too high.  You either need the
correct big block frame mounts to match the motor mounts _OR_ the original
small block motor mounts matched to the small block frame mounts.  This
second combination _will_ bolt up to the big block with no problems and
will allow it to sit in the correct location.  I also remain mystified by
Lansing's use of the two different designs, and can only offer my
hypotheses:

1)  The big block mounts have been tuned for NVH response, which would
explain their different size.  In this case, you may notice more vibration
with the small block mounts, but no functional effects.

2)  Due to the additional torque, the big block mounts are stronger,
potentially incorporating the "fail safe" design of interlocking metal
parts to still retain the motor in the event that the rubber cracks (Keep
in mind that GM went through a massive recall in the late 1960s to retrofit
limiter straps on Chevies due to a rash of failed motor mounts.  This
mentality may have spilled over into the design of the big block mounts.
It is interesting to note that through 1968, _all_ Olds motors, big and
small block, used the same part number motor mounts and the "tall" frame
mounts.)  In this case, if you are using the small block mounts on a big
block, I would ensure that the rubber motor mounts are periodically
inspected for deterioration, and consider adding a torque strap to the
driver's side of the motor.

Again, these are theories only; unfortunately I have no proof one way or
the other.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:47:51 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section

Hood scoops can be used to vent out hot air as in Quincy, I'm using an IROC
scoop to effect a negative pressure between it and the wind shield that
sucks out the engine heat...

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
______________

True, when properly designed.  Unfortunately, the science of turbulent,
subsonic airflow around a moving automobile is non-trivial, requiring
either wind tunnel (or racetrack) testing or computational fluid dynamics
(or both).  As many musclecar owners found out, the placement of scoops
tended to be aestetically-based, not necessarily scientifically-based (just
ask Cobra-Jet owners; the Mustang scoop location was potentially one of the
worst in terms of being in a low pressure area rather than the desired high
pressure area).

Unfortunatelly for the Volo 1969 "442" in question, Oldsmobile's 1970 W-25
hood design was among the best of the musclecar era at ingesting
_high-pressure_ air - the scoops were far forward on the hood.  As a
result, since this particular 69 also sprouts original-type under bumper
scoops, I seriously doubt the W-25 scoops are doing anything but adding
drag.  I also am personally torn with the aestetics of the 70 hood on a 69,
but that's my problem.

Of course, my previous rant about cutting holes in original ram-air hoods
still applies.  If the scoop was originally designed to _ingest_ cold air,
I doubt that torching a hole for a blower in the middle of it will turn
said scoop into a vent.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:21:28 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?)

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> Ray Costanzo wrote:
>
> > Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>
> Takin' shots at Matt's not cool man..  <G>

That's okay, Ray didn't mean it.

- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:15:33 PDT
From: "Keith Grant" <gofastgoolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild

scott,
i recently built a 403 olds...bored it over and all that....it was a 79
too.....if you got the rpm cam and intake,...(i only got the performer)
you may look into replacing the crank cause it is suicide to go over
5500 and the range on the performer is idle to 5500 that is why i went
with it... dunno for sure about the gear drive....i got a cloyles true
double roller...and ive been told to get rid of my small block heads and
get big block heads....after all it is 400 plus cubic inches...i am
still sorta in my project and if i would have known before the headers
and intake were baught i would have got the big block
heads....anyway...if i can be of any help email me at
hoodlum_69@hotmail.com by the way this 403 is my first rebuild too...or
rather 409 after boring it out...new pistions and all...

good luck

keith

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>Tracy H. Shires wrote:
>>
>> At 10:53 PM 10/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Hi list members,
>> > I'd like your input on this, I'm going to be re-building a '79 Olds
>> 403
>> >soon and I'm looking to get some good performance out of it.
>> >Here's what I'm thinking about doing to it:
>> >First get rid of my #4a heads and go with a set of #5 heads,
>> >casting #397742.
>> >Then I will use the Edelbrock Performer RPM cam and intake.
>>
>> Be wary of the performer rpm.., I'm still trying to sort out
>> problems...
>>
>> >The block will be a stock rebuild, useing new parts if needed (like
>> >pistons, con rods).
>> >I would like to get a gear type drive insted of double roller
timming
>>
>> >gear (just for the cool sound) is that a good idea?
>>
>> I din't know they made gears for oldsmobiles..? Have you found a
>> listing for em?
>>
>> >Also will roller rockers work on the #5 heads? With out a lot of
>> machine
>> >work?
>>
>> Not a problem.. I have mondello's kit.. Came with arp studs, comp
>> roller rockers, comp guide plates, and pushrods of undetermined
length
>> and orgin....
>>
>> > The trans in the car (by the way it's a '79 T/A) is a TH350, it's
>> been
>> >rebuilt with shift kit and a slight stall convter (something like
>> 1200)
>> >stock gears in the rear. Allthough I might change them later,
>> something
>> >like 3:73's.
>>
>> I have 3.73's in mine.. Screamed under the th-350.., had my best 1/8
>> time with it.. Blew the clutches doing 75-80 at 5000 rpm though..,
>> quickly went to an overdrive tranny..
>> > Does any of this sound like a good idea?
>> > Thanks for any input!
>> > Scott
>>
>> All sounds good.. My best advice is to learn as much as you can
before
>> jumping in... I did lots of research and my car is still sitting in
>> the driveway... Gonna rip those edelbrock rpm springs off the heads
>> and machine the head on mine...
>>
>> Best of Luck!
>>
>> T. H. Shires 81 C/S/B Rckt 350
>> Denton, Tx 3 Sticks
>>
>> mailto:TwoDogs@ou.edu
>>
>> University of Oklahoma
>> Mechanical Engineering
>>
>> "If it was put together, it can be taken apart."
>
>  Ok thanks for the info, but what do you mean by "rip thoes Edelbrock
>RPM springs off and machine the heads?
> Is this a problem with the springs?
> What are you going to do to your heads?
> I'm not trying to sound like a smart a** I'm just trying to find out
>what kind of prob's I need to address with the heads!
>  This is my first rebuild I've ever done on any engine so forgive me
if
>I sound stupid!
>    Thanks again,
>          Scott
>


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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:15:20 EDT
From: TimLeary97@aol.com
Subject: Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S

I would be sceptical about an owner that had a motor rebuilt with such low
miles.  Maybe 128K?

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:53:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Did the 1979 Cutlass have a 301 engine option? I say "no", but...

The 301 was not available in the Cutlass as a regular production option. It
is
possible that Olds slipped a few in if they ran out of 305s, since lots of
weird stuff went on back in those days.
__________

Doesn't that year have a designator for the motor in the VIN?  And wouldn't
the engine have a VIN-derivative to match if it were original?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:26:43 -0400
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Date:	Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:26:43 -0400

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:37:23 PDT
From: "Keith Grant" <gofastgoolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re:

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:46:33 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S

Bruce Camilli wrote:
>
> I have one question, Why would a car with only 28,000 miles need a new
engine???


Besides the mileage you also have to consider the age and how much it
sits.  Been more than one car that was redone because it locked up from
inactivity, misuse,etc.  And then the 28k was put on 1/4 mile at a
time.......

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:31:30 +0000
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

realizing this I just wanted to point out the fact that the two R and C are
one and the same the thermoquad was a good carb just as the Qjet is have had
a customized one on a ten second and quicker car good running car camaro
small block superstocker good carb holleys are better for the Qjet
uninformed they are more forgiving and easier to work on....kk
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From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM <Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley


>hmmm  well the quadrajet says on the side of it Rochester Quadrajet by
>Carter................FWIW..kk
>___________
>
>That's true, Carter did build Q-jets for Rochester.  However, the original
>post talked about the Thermo-Quad, which was a totally different
>spread-bore designed and built by Carter.  The T-Quad used a phenolic
>plastic float bowl to reduce heat soak to the fuel and some other neat
>things like jets retained by o-rings for quick snap-in jet changes.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:40:24 +0000
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds

the 'LEASE" is not a lease it is a very high interest loan through MBNA
check it out but the 50.00 plan is for a three year CONTRACT yes that is the
word they used so you are basically obligated to the original contract as
well as the new one at trade time.....kk
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From: GaryDW30@aol.com <GaryDW30@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds


>Leasing is a very personal kind of thing. If the situation is right, deduct
>lease payments for business etc. However, if cash flow will allow, buying
and
>deducting entire price in one year certainly works best for me.
>
>New Dell 450 MHz with all the goodies shipped yesterday, damn weekends, now
>I'll have to wait until Monday! Never thought I'd complain about weekends!!
>Maybe I need a vacation.  Yea, that's it, I need a vacation. This might
just
>work......
>
>Oh! Now where was I,  leasing, carefully figure interest paid. Add that to
>computer's price. Now, you have your real cost. Estimate value of 2-3 year
old
>computer. By adding in the cost of interest paid it makes it hard to come
out.
>But, as I said at the beginning, this can be a personal kind of thing.
>Everyone's situation is a little different.
>
>Hope this gives some food for thought.   Gary

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:10:19 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 10-bolt rears

>actually i think 3.73's and a 700R4 overdrive is the way to go....you got
>a stump pulling first gear and a comfortable cruise...my two
>cents...Nathyn


Oh yeah, BUT.  I paid $70 CAN for my rear end.  700R4 built to take the 455,
$1500 CAN.  I know, looked into it.  Then $200 CAN for a cheap set of gears,
+install $250.  So, $2000 vs. $70.  Hmm.  But I do agrea, 3.73s and 700R4
would be the best.  I was thinking fork out 1500 for trans and then get
4.10s, but in OD it would still be like 2.89 or so, and I would like
something like my 2.41s used to be.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:54:00 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: So Cal Olds Cars & Parts FS

My buddy has the following car for sale:

1972 Cutlass Cruiser (non-roof glass model) no roof rack.  Very straight,
350, 4bbl, runs fine.  Bad blue paint job, fair green interior.  Rust
starting in tail gate but none on fenders or other body areas visible.
Moderate mileage (cant recall exactly).  GOOD PROJECT CAR - was driven
daily, traded in to him on a sale. $500.  Contact Steve @ 909/245-7772,
tell him Lisa sent you.

Parts available:  1966 or 1967 Cutlass 4 door.  Haven't seen the car, but
the sheet metal is supposedly very straight and clean.  Interior in fair to
poor condition.  Runs supposedly.  I'm considering for parts.  Any specific
needs drop me a note - I'll have more info on this Sunday.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:00:05 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: 86 442 production #'s  wow, fast reply

Bernie,
Let me know how you make out with the 442. I'm curious what they are going
for.
My fisrt Olds was a 78 Cutlass Supreme w/factory Astroroof I loved that car :(
Both my cars have T's wouldn't mind having one with a sunroof again.
Hope your trip pays off
John-Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

Oh let me echo those words:  GO JETS!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:02:17 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.

SHOW OFF!!!!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:04:15 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: One mans conquest with an Oldsmobile.

Jerry,
I feel your pain.....
John
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:36 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Digital Dash in a G

Digital dash in a "G" body???? Guys I need more input!
John-Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:33:42 -0500
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds related humor

Bruce:

I enjoyed the little story.  However, its men who never listen - they
typically refuse to ask for directions...

Barb W.



Bruce Camilli wrote:

> Thought you all may enjoy a break from the Olds material!
>
> A Challenge!
>
> Here's problem:
>
>     There was a perfect man who met a perfect woman.  After a perfect
> courtship, they had a perfect wedding.  Their life together was, of
> course,
> perfect.
>     One snowy, stormy Christmas Eve, this perfect couple was driving
> their
> perfect car (a Grand Cherokee{some may disagree, but for sake of argument
> let's
> proceed}) along a winding road when they noticed someone at the side of
> the
> road in distress.
>         Being the perfect couple, they stopped to help. There stood Santa
> Claus
> with a huge bundle of toys.  Not wanting to disappoint any children on
> the eve of Christmas, the perfect couple loaded Santa and his toys into
> their
> vehicle.
>
>     Soon they were driving along delivering the toys.  Unfortunately,
> the driving conditions deteriorated and the perfect couple and Santa
> Claus had an  accident.  Only one of them survived the accident.  Who
> was the
> survivor?
>
>       (Scroll down  for the answer.)
>
>     The perfect woman.  She's the only one that really existed in the
> first place.
>
>     Everyone knows there is no Santa Claus and there is no such thing as
> a perfect man...
>
>     (E-mail ends here for Women!!!  Men, keep scrolling.)
>
>     So, if there is no perfect man and no Santa Claus, the perfect woman
> must have been driving.  This explains why there was a car accident.
>
>     (By the way if you're a woman, and you're reading this...
> My other point is....women never listen.......)

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:43:57 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Digital Dash in a G

> > Will this digital dash fit in a mid 80's G-Body?
> I keep forgetting, one of us G-Body owners has a Grand Prix HUD in his
> 82, I believe, if you want digital, I would advise that route,

That..  ahem, would be me.  It's 81, actaually, but same thing.  the HUD was a
~serios~ butcher job.  For digital dashes, I'd strongly recommend taking a 
stock
rallye guage package, and use Cyberdyne or equivalent individual guages, and go
from there.  Should be a fairly clean project, actually, with very little
butcherring.  The only thing would be mounting the guages in the housing.  No
biggie.  Be prepared to shell out around $350 for the common guages, though.
And get pics if you do it, I've been dying to do the same on mine for years...
no $$$ :(



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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:47:19 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: codes

> Hi I got a check engine light on my 85 Salon and the code came up
> 34...anyone know what that is, offhand?

Should be the MAP sensor, as I recall.  These do go bad occasionally...  But it
could also be an electrical problem,. too.  Check the connections and vacuum
lines to it, and make sure they're all in good shape.  If that doesn't show any
problems, then you should be safe in assuming the sensor's bad.  Manual will
show more distinct procedures to verify for certain, but they're not that
expensive, and are commonly replaced items.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:48:46 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: connecting rods

> Is there a special tool to take the nuts of the connecting rods on a
> 400 block.Can`t seem to get a socket to fit.

Hmm...  Been awhile, but I believe they were 9/16" 12 point sockets.  6 point
will not cut it!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:00:33 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Matt's Shots, S-Man, RT, funny looking cars, etc...

> Takin' shots at Matt's not cool man..  <G>
> After all, I can't honestly say the 87 is a looker, and I own one.

Hard to say there.  Like some aspects of them but not really fond of that
grille.  Although some of them I've seen are ~really~ sweet...  Before cutting
down the euro look ~too~ much, though, check out that ride on S-Man's page! (is
it still up?  Can't find it, SUPERMAN, WE NEED YA!!!  :)  Anyway, ~that~ euro
look is ~way~ cool!!!  John, I thinik you know which one I'm talking about.  
Got
the URL for it handy???

> I like the 86 pre-euro look better...  Looks better when you make it
> mean!

I ~do~ agree, though, I like the sloped grilles ~much~ better.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:06:46 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Y2K, more digital dash

> I can tell you that no
> programmer in his / her right mind would include the date as part of the
> control algorithm. There's just no reason to do that.

Which suddenly worries me...  That arguement is ~more~ than enough reason to
suspect GM engineers did just that!  :o

Don't know about swapping into the G body.  Contemplated it a time or two, but
those dashes were famous for their reliablilty... (or distinct lack thereof...)
Looks like the rectangle openning is about right, though, and that VFD look
~really~ turns me on <G>

FWIW, put a system in a 91 (?) S-Blazer.  Been recently totalled, then kinda
repaired...  Anyway, the digital dash's turn signal indicators ~grow~ while 
they
flash.  ie, the dash has a little arrow light up, go out, then a bigger arrow
lights up in its placde, then goes out, then a big arrow lights up, then the
small one comes back.  Really cool.  Kinda trippy!  Makes me wonder if she was
turning when she rolled it...  Those things would probably f$#% me up!!!  But
they ~were~ cool!


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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:29:10 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: connecting rods

>Hmm...  Been awhile, but I believe they were 9/16" 12 point sockets.  6
point
>will not cut it!


Yup, I think that is it.  You need to buy the 12 point socet, and I too
think it was a 9/16.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:42:05
From: <crl6420@online.no>
Subject: Non-Olds (chevy 400 faq)

Any list members konw about a chevy FAQ site ?
want some info about the 400 cid.

Thanks.

Chris RL, No

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:26:46 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: 10-bolt rears (rpm vs mph)

I've been running 3.42s with a TH700-R4 (built tough by Carl Rossler)
powered by a 350 4bl with a mild street cam in my '72 Cutlass.

In OD:  70 mph = 2200 rpm

In D:    70 mph = 3250 rpm

The '72 is a coast-to-coast cruiser and I've been very happy with this
combination.

I'm currently building a more exotic 425 and plan to start with the 3.42s.
Might be tempted to use 3.73s, but only road experience will tell.  It's
not only the cruise rpm that I consider, but how the power band/shift
points match up with road conditions.  I live in Vermont, consequently I
often encounter winding roads.  Comfortable (read that safe, but perhaps
not legal) back road mph is generally 30-60 mph.

In 1:   15-32 mph = 2200-4500 rpm
In 2:   28-57 mph = 2200-4500 rpm
In D:   47-85 mph = 2200-4000 rpm

DISCLAIMER:  The figures I am quoting are from calculations that I made
when I was deciding between 3.42s & 3.73s and do not accurately reflect
converter slippage or lock up.  However, I think they're close enough for
conversation and were (within a few rpms) my experience.

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
(near the end of a 5 year frame off customization)
'60 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce
(completely in pieces, perfect body, long term restoration)

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:19:12 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

> Does this mean that the Cloyes roller timing chain set will not fit the
> roller cam 307's? I was gonna buy one for mine.
>

You may want to check with Cloyes themselves.  Studying the pictures, it
SEEMS as though the cam bolt looks the same, save for the button.
Another way to check is call the GM dealer and compare part numbers with
the cam gear between "Y" and an 1985 "9".  If they come up the same.....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:30:53 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: hood ornaments and console parts.

Dave Cullen wrote:
>
> >Oh, and about the hood ornaments....1985 was the first year for the
> >antique Olds logo ornament.  Checked with the dealership.
> >
> Didja check the price on those little gems? 42 bucks <choke>

GM list price was 51 and some change. I think I got mine for around 33
and some change.  Don't remember, but it was around that.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:34:19 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Cruise control

>Speaking of cruise, anyone know where I can get an NOS cruise control
 >switch/turn signal lever with delay wipers for an 85 G-body?
>
> NAPA sells both black and chrome. They're new items in this year's catalog,
> might not be on the shelf. I was gonna replace mine, cuz the chrome's
> peeling, but for $100 I can get a lot of chrome foil tape.

Thanks for the tip.  I have no choice.  My switch is hosed, so I'm gonna
need to replace it anyway.  Do you know if they LOOK like original, or
if they are cheesey looking wannabes?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:53:34 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Karls Rochester Page

Made preps to do this RIGHT!

Got a Fortune City web page with more than 20MB available!

If no copyright probs, this page will be filled with tables of enough
information to make your head bleed!

(like mine!)

Growth will be slow, FC's page templates SUCK! so Karl gonna learn HTML or
install a html page editor.

Bookmark it now;

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/

Kinda long, but when this thing really gets rolling, it'll prolly be annexed
by GM....

And there will of course be banner ads.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:39:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Matt's Shots, S-Man, RT, funny looking cars, etc...

- ---Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
>
> > Takin' shots at Matt's not cool man..  <G>
> > After all, I can't honestly say the 87 is a looker, and I own one.
>
> Hard to say there.  Like some aspects of them but not really fond of
that
> grille.  Although some of them I've seen are ~really~ sweet...
Before cutting
> down the euro look ~too~ much, though, check out that ride on
S-Man's page! (is
> it still up?  Can't find it, SUPERMAN, WE NEED YA!!!  :)  Anyway,
~that~ euro
> look is ~way~ cool!!!  John, I thinik you know which one I'm talking
about.  Got
> the URL for it handy???

- -----It's still there, try http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Jessica

==
John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com
  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:48:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S

- ---Bruce Camilli <bcam@vel.net> wrote:
>
> I have one question, Why would a car with only 28,000 miles need a
new engine???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	S-MAN [SMTP:super442@yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Friday, October 09, 1998 4:32 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S


- -----Because the owner decided that since the car sat for 15 years
that instead of chance it....he'd go in to it and check everything
out. The car had a small engine fire in 1971, everything was replaced
by GM at the dealer, and the lady that owned the car had already
gotten another car, so yhis car sat in her yard for 15 years.
==
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  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
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1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:09:15 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Roanoke classifieds

Here's some cars found in this weekends edition of the Roanoke
Times.............



Olds Cutlass Supreme Convt. '70- Less than 5000 made. $3000 / 
nego.540-563-2185.

OLDS Cutlass S '71 350, A / T w / console, AC, Nice int., 81K, Orig mi, Solid
body & flr. $3800. 540-427-2645


Hope someone will find a home for these Olds....!!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:23:48 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Digital Dash in a G

<Snip>

I keep forgetting, one of us G-Body owners has a Grand Prix HUD in his
82, I believe, if you want digital, I would advise that route,
otherwise, prepare to chop big time.

<Snip-Snip>

<>Digital dash in a "G" body???? Guys I need more input!
<>John-Queens N.Y.
<>JJP442@aol.com
<>1983 H/O
<>1987 442

<G>

How about this claimed 82 list member coming forth giving us more info on
this conversion.
Or anyone knowing how to get in touch with him should he have dropped off
the list.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Couse Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 08:42:58 -0500
From: "CD Smalley" <notdadsw41@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 10 Bolt rear discs (sorta long)

Hi Guys,

All this recent talk about 10 bolt rears and now disc brakes brings me to a
project that I'm currently working on. It's not an Olds but a Ch*vy 9C1
Caprice.  The 9C1 is the police package.  Anyway, I'm in the process of
switching it to rear disc brakes.  I'm doing this with all factory parts.
It all started with some research about the ImpalaSS and and the 94-96 9C1
cars.   These all came with rear discs.  The basic chassis for these cars
remained the same from I think 77-96. My initial question was could I swap
one of the later model rear ends into my car.  Several people I talked to
said it was possilbe but that some of the rear ends are wider(station wagons
maybe). That and local yards want $1000 for the complete rear-end. Ouch!!! I
was not reaching for the soap!!!!

Basically from what I have gathered, from talking to people who have done
the swap and to GM parts guys, it's as simple as swapping the backing plate
and adding the right brakets, calipers, rotors etc from the 94-96 B-body
cars.  I think this swap will also work on any 8.5 10 bolt rear end.  I
can't confirm that yet.  I waiting on the disc backing plates to arrive
right now.  Once I get them I'm going to see if they will also fit my 91
Ch*vy P/U.

Here's a copy of an e-mail that I got from Dal at Lambert Buick in Ohio with
most of the part numbers needed.  I don't have the #s for the backing plates
yet.


18021945   r.caliper brkts     48.67 each
18021517   left caliper        49.23 each
18021518   right  "            49.23 each
18021515   park brk.lining     42.49 set ( i think)
18018862   rear rotors         57.56 each

You can reach Dal at 800-711-2793 or lockitup@bright.net

BTW if you need GM parts for your car call this guy.  I've gotten everything
I've ordered from him in about a week and for almost half the price of the
local dealership.

If you want to see one of these swaps in it's completed state go to
www.capricess.com  This guy has swapped the discs onto a 91 Caprice that had
drums.

Gotta Go
Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
1989 9C1
http://home.att.net/~notdadsw41/

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:04:54 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section

If it makes you giggle and slams your belt buckle into your spine when you
drill it, then Lay on, MacDuff.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune 10/8/1998 Cars Section


>I have a 72 442 Convertible. I will be repainting it this winter and will
>probably put the W-30 stripes on it and the W-30 emblems. I will also have
>the red fenderwells. BEFORE I GET LYNCHED:TAKE NOTE..
>I will NOT try and sell the car as a W-30. As a matter of fact, I WON"T
>sell the car at all, because  I have been looking for an 442 convertible
>for decades(exageration). The car is  a true 442, even though in 72 we all
>know that the 442 was an option, not a model(SAME DIFFERENCE). The 70 & 71
>442's are basically a cutlass anyway, just like the 72 is.
>
>The car has a 455(rebuilt making DYNO PROVEN 440hp @ 540 lbs of torque),
>dual gate shifter, sport wheel, ralleye pac, W-25 Ram Air
>Hood,buckets...etc.etc... So I figure why not make it a W-30 APPEARANCE
>package. I thought the red fenderwells and solid race stripe going down the
>side makes it look so much better. It performs better than a factory W-30
>did in 72 or 71 and even 70. So although some may say "tar & feather that
>man", I believe I am doing no harm to the car or to the Olds nameplate by
>making it a NON-FACTORY W-30. Waht do you guys(girls also, if there are any
>out there) think???
>
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:21:37 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S

Could be ring bound from lack of use, a bore left exposed by virtue of open
exhaust valve could achieve a patina of rust on the wall in a period of
years, maybe not enough anti-freeze in the block, etc.  There are many
reasons an engine could fail in the absence of exercise.  Maybe the mechanic
had a boat or slip payment coming due.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Camilli <bcam@vel.net>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S


>I have one question, Why would a car with only 28,000 miles need a new
engine???
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: S-MAN [SMTP:super442@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 4:32 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 28,000 mile 70 Cutlass Supreme F/S
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi gang,
>      Todays adventure begins with a 70 Cutlass Supreme....it has
>28,000 original miles,brand new motor with less than 500 miles on it.
>This is a numbers matching, 2nd owner car. The asking price is
>$4500.00 obo.
>If interested contact me direct.
>==
>John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:26:44 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds

It's a lot of money.  Gateway sells a good product, but comparables can be
had substantially cheaper.  See www.insight.com .  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 10:53 PM
Subject: Gateway computers, non-Olds


>Which reminds me....
>
>Has anyone had any experience with that lease a computer from Gateway
>deal, and get trade-in value at the end of the contract, etc.  A computer
>seems like the only thing logical to lease since it'll suck in a couple
>of years anyway...  opinions?  Thanks
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Gateway computers, non-Olds

- ---Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> It's a lot of money.  Gateway sells a good product, but comparables
can be
> had substantially cheaper.  See www.insight.com .  Peter.
>
- -----I've got two friends with Gateway systems....one has had nothing
but trouble.....the other (hacker guy) loves his....guess for the
money...I'll keep my $1000 setup...it does more than I'll ~ever~
figure out anyways :)
==
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  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:47:33 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: TH700-R4 in 72 WAS:10-bolt rears (rpm vs mph)

How difficult was swapping the th700-r4 into your 72?

Norm
Woodstock, GA

- ----Original Message Follows----
Date:	Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:26:46 -0400
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
From:	Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: 10-bolt rears (rpm vs mph)
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

I've been running 3.42s with a TH700-R4 (built tough by Carl Rossler)
powered by a 350 4bl with a mild street cam in my '72 Cutlass.

In OD:  70 mph = 2200 rpm

In D:    70 mph = 3250 rpm

The '72 is a coast-to-coast cruiser and I've been very happy with this
combination.

I'm currently building a more exotic 425 and plan to start with the
3.42s.
Might be tempted to use 3.73s, but only road experience will tell.  It's
not only the cruise rpm that I consider, but how the power band/shift
points match up with road conditions.  I live in Vermont, consequently I
often encounter winding roads.  Comfortable (read that safe, but perhaps
not legal) back road mph is generally 30-60 mph.

In 1:   15-32 mph = 2200-4500 rpm
In 2:   28-57 mph = 2200-4500 rpm
In D:   47-85 mph = 2200-4000 rpm

DISCLAIMER:  The figures I am quoting are from calculations that I made
when I was deciding between 3.42s & 3.73s and do not accurately reflect
converter slippage or lock up.  However, I think they're close enough
for
conversation and were (within a few rpms) my experience.

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
(near the end of a 5 year frame off customization)
'60 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce
(completely in pieces, perfect body, long term restoration)





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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:51:13 EDT
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Karls Rochester Page

Great start Karl!

Norm Baier
Woodstock, GA

- ----Original Message Follows----
From:	KarlAune@aol.com
Date:	Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:53:34 EDT
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Karls Rochester Page
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Made preps to do this RIGHT!

Got a Fortune City web page with more than 20MB available!

If no copyright probs, this page will be filled with tables of enough
information to make your head bleed!

(like mine!)

Growth will be slow, FC's page templates SUCK! so Karl gonna learn HTML
or
install a html page editor.

Bookmark it now;

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/

Kinda long, but when this thing really gets rolling, it'll prolly be
annexed
by GM....

And there will of course be banner ads.



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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:54:27 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Karls Rochester Page

Looks like a great start.  But, what's up with that graphic on the home
page?  Looks like two or three of my cars.  Peter.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:58:00 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rally Pack -- definition wanted

Just kidding, Gary.

Scott

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:06:09 -0700
From: Andrew Kunzie <Akunzie@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 442

There were 4,295 1969 442 conv. built of these 3,047 had automatics and did not
carry the W-30 option.  This information is in the "Oldsmobile 4-4-2 &
W-Machines Restoration Guide"  you should pick one up if you don't already have
it.  There isn't any info on how many automatics had A/C.  But apparently A/C
was only available on cars with automatics.

DE33DIRT@aol.com wrote:

> Please let me know how many 1969 442 olds convertables were built with air
> cond and automatic transmissions.   Also can you provide infor on the Appolo
> paint scheme.
>
> thanks

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:23:40 EDT
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: V-6 mounts and Thanks to E & G

     Yup, changed the driver's side mount on the 85 CSB last night.  This is
the fourth time in just a little over 2 years.  Usually the girlfriend has her
dad change it..makes him feel important..I  did it in a little under an
hour....any way, why the hell does this thing keep breaking?  The motor is
stock (like a V-6 is worth making a monster out of) It seems to me that if
these mounts are made in the same fashion for the larger motors, that I should
probably own stock in motor mount manufacturers.  I didn't really want to take
the time to add a chain, but I shouldn't have to do that anyway.  You all know
how they're made right ?   The rubber is just melted to the two adjacent
chunks of metal (making the engine mount) one piece.  My rubber keeps coming
off   :)

On another note - Thanks to Everette (ANTIQ OLDS @aol.com)  for sending me
door locks and an ignition cylinder out of a 56 parts car.  I installed  them
last night as well, and am happy to say that the Ford locks are in the bottom
of a junk trailer right now and the 56 is back w/ origional door locks,  also
the push button ignition is outta here too.  Then I put the electronic fuel
pump switch in a nice little hiding spot so the dash looks lots better !

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)


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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:31:29 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: codes

>Tom Lardner wrote:
>>
>> Hi I got a check engine light on my 85 Salon and the code came up
>> 34...anyone know what that is, offhand?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>
>Running rich, I believe...
>

Code 34 on a 307 means "Differential Pressure (VAC) Sensor". Causes:
1) Pressure outside specified range, i.e. low vacuum
2) Idle speed too low
3) Sensor bad, hoses bad, wires broken, etc.

With engine idling, verify at least 10 inches of vacuum at sensor. Output of
sensor terminals "B" to "A" should be greater than 2 volts. Remove vacuum,
voltage should drop.

Code 34 on a V-6 means "MAP Sensor". Basically the same gizmo, except output
voltage goes down with vacuum, instead of going higher like the VAC sensor.
1) With motor stopped, ignition on, measure terminals B-A. Should be 3.0 -
4.8 volts (depending on altitude). Run engine, verify at least 10 inches
vacuum. Sensor should decrease output by 1.2 - 2.3 volts less than previous
reading.

This is one of the major sensors in the system. Timing and TCC depend on
this signal.

drc

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:01:39 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Cruise control

>need to replace it anyway.  Do you know if they LOOK like original, or
>if they are cheesey looking wannabes?
>
Looked close enough. Slightly different markings but nicely made.

drc

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:10:21 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Karls Rochester Page

Have at it, Karl. My own experience looking for Rochester info was futile to
say the least. Had an electronic 2-bl that needed help, and there was
literally nowhere to turn (my pre-list days). Trial by fire. I know enough
now that I may even be able to contribute to the database. The School of
Hard Knocks is no fun to attend.

drc

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:13:22 -0400
From: "Timothy M. Cardinal" <cardtm53@BUFFALOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: RE: George/bushings for back springs 68

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> Hi Guys,
>
> Where can I order rubber bushings for the back springs of my 68
Cutlass.
> They go in between the top of the springs and the body of the vehicle.

> The old ones are worn out. They are about 3'' in diameter. Is there a
> place where you can get them for a 68 or are other years/models
> compatible?
>
> Thanks, George

George,

   Try this place if you cannot get the parts through GM!

    Frey The Wheelman
    Parts Department
    41 E. Tupper
    Buffalo, New York     14203

    Phone #  716.854.3830

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Timothy M. Cardinal

80 Cutlass Supreme


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<I>> Hi Guys,</I>
<BR>>
<BR>><I> Where can I order rubber bushings for the back springs of my 68
Cutlass.</I>
<BR>> <I>They go in between the top of the springs and the body of the
vehicle.</I>
<BR>> <I>The old ones are worn out. They are about 3'' in diameter. Is
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<BR>> <I>place where you can get them for a 68 or are other years/models</I>
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<BR>>
<BR>> <I>Thanks, George</I>
<P>George,
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp; Try this place if you cannot get the parts through GM!
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Frey The Wheelman
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Parts Department
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 41 E. Tupper
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Buffalo, New York&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 14203
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<P>80 Cutlass Supreme
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