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Re: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)
1988 LV-2 ??
piston combo math mistake
www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
RE: 1988 LV-2 ??
Re: Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: To shim or not to shim
Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Shift Points and Launch RPM
Dual exhaust
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
sport steering wheel horn button
Re: Dual exhaust
Olds Headgasket goodwill policy.
Re: How much is reupholstering?
Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM
Re: Olds Headgasket goodwill policy.
RE: Shift Points and Launch RPM
Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice
Overheating
72 Cutlass Gauges
Re:  UNBOUNCE: G-Body Coil Springs
Re:  g-body
Web VIN Decoder
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Parts for sale
69 Cutlass convertible
G-body questions
Re: Web VIN Decoder
RE: Web VIN Decoder
tracking
Re: Web VIN Decoder
Cross Border Shipping Warning
Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)
Re: Web VIN Decoder
Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning
Re:  Shift Points and Launch RPM
Re: Dual exhaust
RE: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)
Re: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)
Fw: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Cutlass Production numbers
Re: License plate choice
Re: Web VIN Decoder
Re: License plate choice
Re: License plate choice
Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions
Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
Re: Cutlass Production numbers
Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme
Re: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)
72 Olds TH-350 4sale
Re: License plate choice
Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace
My Carb overfloweth!
Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)
Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)
Re: Cutlass Production numbers
Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme
overview

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:16:38 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)

>I think my deductable is about $200 so there wouldn't be much in it for me
and I would be worried (rightly or wrongly) about my rates going up.


Your rates shouldn't go up if use the comprehensive part of your insurance.
My comp has $50 deductable and so far I've used it to replace two
windshields and the front clip on a 79 Dodge 024 when a deer committed
suicide on my hood.

Randy

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:23:01 EDT
From: Smitty4870@aol.com
Subject: 1988 LV-2 ??

Hello,
  New to the list so please excuse any goofs.  Am interested in getting a new
toy (Olds of course) and have found something unusual.  A co-worker has for
sale a 1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme "LV-2".  Looks like a mislabled H/O to me but
he claims it's some oddball model of which only 39 were produced.  He's
wanting $10,000 for it and it's in beautiful shape but I can't find any info
on it anywhere.  What do you folks think?
             Thanks in advance,
                              Smitty

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:16:11 -0400
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: piston combo math mistake

Hello all,
 I boo boo'd the math on the piston C.R. in my recent post[below]. The
pontiac piston/425 rod combo is 22 thou to high, not 27 thou. This is
good.


> Hello all,
>  All this piston chatter made me decide to post about another oddball
> 455 combo. Use the long 425 rods with the 455 crank, and a 455 pontiac
> piston[4.151"std. bore]. The pontiac uses the same size pin as the  > olds,
making it an easy job. The 425 rod is .265" longer. This means  > the
compression distance needs to be .265" shorter. 1.740-.265 =  > 1.475". The TRW
L2359 pontiac piston has a comp distance of 1.497".  > This is 27 thou to high,
but most olds blocks need to be decked at  > least that much to give "0" deck,
for good quench. The L2359 has 6.7cc >  worth of notches. Compared to the 
14.5cc
2323 olds piston, this alone > would raise compression 6 points or so. The 
L2359
pontiac piston/pin  > is a bit lighter than the L2323 olds, but it's less than
10%, so a . . rebalance is not needed. The longer 425 rod would also be a bit
easier > on the cylinder walls [1.63 rod-stroke ratio, compaired to the stock >
6.735" rods 1.58 ratio].

> Dave Brode
> 64 cutlass

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:24:02 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: www.epa.gov - emmissions

Sorry to distract from typical non-Olds banter.

Karl still looks for the exact wording on the "not change # o cats" law.

In the meantime here are some snippets from the 1990 clear act that reference
oxygenated fuels and onboard emission controls from 1994 on.

Kinda dry reading, but good info.

[sic]:

Mobile sources are the primary cause of carbon monoxide pollution in the
United States. The 1990 Clean Air Act sets up two programs to address this
problem. For the first time, carbon monoxide emissions will be regulated at
cold temperatures. Carbon monoxide emissions can be very high in cold weather
because both fuel combustion and pollution control equipment operate less
efficiently in the cold. In the past, tailpipe standards applied only at 75
¡F. so manufacturers optimized emission control equipment for that
temperature. The 1990 Clean Air Act requires
cars to meet a carbon monoxide standard at 20 ¡F. The phase-in of a 10 gpm
standard began with 1994 models. If, by 1997, carbon monoxide levels are still
too high in six or more cities, the cold temperature emission standard will
drop to 3.4 gpm for 2002 models. The second new provision involves increasing
the oxygen content of gasoline sold during the winter in cities that exceed
national air quality standards for carbon monoxide pollution. The oxygen helps
reduce carbon monoxide emissions by enhancing fuel combustion. The wintertime
fuel requirements began in 1992.

By 1995, all gasoline sold in the country's worst ozone areas must contain a
minimum oxygen content and a maximum benzene content. Through refining changes
that will not be apparent to motorists, reformulated gasoline will achieve a
15 to 17 percent reduction in both ozone forming hydrocarbons and toxic
emissions from motor vehicles. By 2000, gasoline sold in these cities will
achieve a 25 to 29 percent hydrocarbon reduction, a 20 to 22 percent toxics
reduction, and a 9 to 10 percent reduction in nitrogen oxide emissions. Many
cities have voluntarily chosen to use this cleaner gasoline.

New 1994 and later model cars must be equipped with "onboard diagnostic
systems." These systems feature dashboard warning lights that alert drivers to
malfunctioning emission control equipment. Controlled by the vehicle's
computer, the onboard diagnostic system must also be capable of storing
trouble codes that help mechanics pinpoint the malfunction.

(shudder)

Urg. Karl needs to go lie down....
There's a good spot.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:46:51 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice

Don't overlook those nifty chrome fuel lines that are used on dual feed
Holleys.  They absorb heat and can cause vapor lock due to setting kind of
close to the heat cross over on an Olds intake.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:46:52 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

By 1995, all gasoline sold in the country's worst ozone areas must contain
a
minimum oxygen content and a maximum benzene content. Through refining
changes
that will not be apparent to motorists,
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
_________________

There's the fallacy with this whole thing.  We've had to put up with
oxygenated fuels from November to February in the DC area for a number of
years now.  The changes are _absolutely_ apparent to motorists.  Many
non-motorhead friends (yes, it is possible to have such friends) have
commented that their mileage took a dramatic drop at about the time that
the oxygenated fuels kick in.  This just make sense:  if the fuel also
contains oxygen, you must use additional fuel for a correct air/fuel ratio.
Car will run lean, make less power, require additional throttle opening.  I
wonder if the net effect of all this is a true reduction in emissions,
since this additional use of fuel _must_ result in an increase in the total
pounds of pollutants emitted.  I suspect that under the controlled
conditions of an emissions test, this fuel will show a lower tailpipe
count, but I wonder if the real world data follows.  (Note that the
oxygenated fuels are only used in the winter, when the choke is on longer.
I wonder if this has any effect at all on EFI cars, where there isn't even
a choke plate?)

As an interesting aside, however, I wonder if the use of oxygenated fuels
helps when it's time for the biannual smog test...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:52:37 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: 1988 LV-2 ??

On Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:23 AM, Smitty4870@aol.com
[SMTP:Smitty4870@aol.com] wrote: > Hello, >   New to the list so please excuse
any goofs.  Am interested in getting a new > toy (Olds of course) and have 
found
something unusual.  A co-worker has for > sale a 1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme
"LV-2".  Looks like a mislabled H/O to me but > he claims it's some oddball
model of which only 39 were produced.  He's > wanting $10,000 for it and it's 
in
beautiful shape but I can't find any info > on it anywhere.  What do you folks
think? >              Thanks in advance, >                               
Smitty

Welcome to the list, Smitty.  Don't worry about the "goofs"...any goofs you 
make
have already been made.  We're all new to Oldsmobiles at one point.

The LV-2 is simply the RPO code for the 307 V8 engine.  The car might be, 
stress
"might be", a 1988 Hurst/Olds, but only 4 (I think) were produced for this
year.  Otherwise, a limited number of aero kits (basically, body cladding) were
sold so owners could "convert" their Cutlass to a "Hurst/Olds", although they
are not officially H/O's.  If you can look at the car, there might be a bunch
of plastic cladding on the bottom with a "H/O" emblem on the sail panels.  If
this is the case, check to see if the car was converted with one of the
original aero kits; if so, I'd suppose the car is reasonably valuable.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:51:17 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ignition Problem - Need Advice

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-09-19 17:45:04 EDT, you write:
>
> << I got on the highway, with a rather heavy foot, drove a mile to my exit,
> and as I decelerated for the ramp nopticed that the engine was running a
> little rough.  When I got to the top of the ramp and made a stop, she was
> running really rough.  I tried to keep her running by feathering the gas only
> to succeed in flooding the engine.  >>
>
> This actually sounds similar to my needle/seat contaminant problem, except I
> have yet to flood the motor under those conditions.
>
> I am curious to know why this can happen because of overwarm Holley fuel
> bowls.

    Karl,

    I submitted a reply entitled, "Re: Warm Holle -  was Ignition problem - 
Need
Advice," that explains what happened to my Holley.  However, I should add that,
like your 2GC situation, I never really experienced any flooding.  I only
experienced the same operational symptoms as Kurt mentions in his post.

   Thomas P. Smith
   1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:34 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice

David L Wyatt wrote:

> Don't overlook those nifty chrome fuel lines that are used on dual feed
> Holleys.  They absorb heat and can cause vapor lock due to setting kind of
> close to the heat cross over on an Olds intake.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2

    Dave,

    Good call.  However, I'm not using the dual-feed Holley.  I just have the
single inlet base model 4160 (part 1850-3).  When I installed it I bent the
fuel line to rise well above the intake, even though it doesn't pass over the
heat cross over.  I don't like alot of engine chrome, anyway.  I'm more of a
cast, satin look guy.  You just reinforced what I've always heard about chrome
items contibuting to heat problems.

Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:10:20 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

    A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so what, right?) passed 
some
interesting info on to me.  He told me someone in the Corvette club he was
involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info) that new
federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older from
emissions testing, or at least, compliance.  Can anyone verify or contradict
this?

    Thomas P. Smith
    1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:26:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: To shim or not to shim

There are many factors which affect oil pressure among which are bearing
clearances and the oil pump.   To respond to your specific questions the
shims, if used, go between the oil pump springs and the retaining cotter pin.
Dick Miller claims to have tested oil pumps and does NOT see any
improvement when using double springs and does NOT sell them anymore.  On
the other hand I am running double springs and two shims and have a
minimum of 55 lbs at hot cruise.  The way to improve your pressure on the
Melling is to assure that the gear to cover clearances are correct.  Take
your Melling pump to your machinist and have them check that the gears
are the same length and that you have minimum clearance to the cover.  No
gasket is needed.  Then shim or not as you wish.  I did on the theory
that the more pressure the better since most filters will take 500 psi.
A Fram HP25 will also give you more pressure at idle than an HP2.  If you
are going to do all that work to replace the rear seal you might as well
put on a ;larger capacity pan and you will not have a problem with
sucking the pan dry. Use oil restricted push rods and and grind the oil
return holes in the block and heads and you should have no problem.  I
have heard that main oil restrictors are good and bad..Contact Mark
Prince (WMachins-list member) for an opinion on NOT using them.


Al Varhus Columbus,
Ohio http://www.infinet.com/~avar http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:27:28 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice

Correction:

SOM did die t'other day on off ramp after idleing for mebbe 1/4 mile. (The 425
is massive enough that just relinquishing the gas pedal causes palpable
deceleration).

Right at a traffic light.
And did not start right away.
But got it within three minutes with throttle plates wide.
Yah.
Musta been flooded to start only that way.

So enlighten me more;

<<     If the fuel bowls get too warm, the fuel percolates in the bowls.  At
idle speeds the fuel is moving so slowly that it has time to heat up. As the
engine speeds up the fuel moves through faster and doesn't have as much of a
problem. Also, the famous Holley metering block can get warm, too, just making
things worse.  >>

Percolates?

Uh,  (trying not to sound ignorant)

So, how exactly does gas in float percolating keep fuel from flowing properly
through the idle/off-idle system?

<<   BTW, I visited your website.  SOM looks like a real bad ride!!! >>

Ah, welcome!

Yah!
She rides really bad!
<grin>

Wish I had a dig. pic. of my main exh. pipe now... a real side splitter!
Four separate sections of pipe or patch!
With nothing behind the muffler!

She just keeps frowning at me.....

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Shift Points and Launch RPM

Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets


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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: j a <vistaboy71@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dual exhaust

Does anybody know if dual exhaust tailpipes

for a cutlass (68-72) will fit a Vista Cruiser

from the same year???



Jamie

'71 Vista




_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:09:08 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

If your car is 25yrs old in New York and you have a "HISTORICAL PLATE" you are
exempt from emissions test.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:08:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so what, right?) passed
some
interesting info on to me.  He told me someone in the Corvette club he was
involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info) that new
federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older from
emissions
testing, or at least, compliance.  Can anyone verify or contradict this?
____________

This is California SB42, which was passed, what, last year or early this
year.  The new law exempts _1973_ and older cars from emissions testing
until the year 2003, at which point a 30 year rolling cutoff is put in
place (in other words, in 2004, the law would exempt 1974 and older cars,
etc.)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:19:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: sport steering wheel horn button

I'm looking for a sport steering wheel horn button  (black)  Anyone got one?
Am also looking for 70 sport mirrors and 70 woodgrain all pieces

Thanx
Doug Harkema
70 CS Conv't
soon to be painted!!!!

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:18:33 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Dual exhaust

Does anybody know if dual exhaust tailpipes
for a cutlass (68-72) will fit a Vista Cruiser
from the same year???

Jamie
'71 Vista
_______________

No, they won't, due to the gas tank and spare tire well (I used to own a 68
VC); more importantly, if you ever drive with the back window open, you
absolutely _don't_ want tailpipes coming out the back of the car, as you
can suck exhaust back into the car.  I actually used the same year ElCamino
tailpipes.  These exit just behind the rear wheels and fit perfectly.

Note that I assume when you say "tailpipe" that you're referring to the
pipe aft of the muffler.  The exhaust pipes (exhaust manifold to muffler)
are unique to the Vista Cruiser and sister ship Buick Sport Wagon due to
the longer wheelbase (121" WB for the vista wagons vs. 116" for lesser
A-body wagons, four doors, and ElCamino/Sprint).  You can use a four door
exhaust pipe, but you'll need to weld in a section to lengthen it.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:28:01 EDT
From: FOXSTER68@aol.com
Subject: Olds Headgasket goodwill policy.

Dear Oldsmobile


I heard from our 442 club that oldsmobile offered a " Goodwill policy" of
replacing the original head gasket in the quad 442 for a 100.00 deductible.
Is this true?




Mart
Foxster68@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:07:27 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: How much is reupholstering?

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:55:51 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice

>Percolates?

>So, how exactly does gas in float percolating keep fuel from flowing
properly
>through the idle/off-idle system?

Karl,
The fuel heats and expands. This forces it passed the float plunger and into
the main jets. (prolly not the correct terminology, haven't slept in 30+
hours, brain is dead) Anyway.....the easy way to see if this is happening
is........Let engine warm up fully and look into the carb as it idles. If
you see gas dripping in it's boiling (perculating). A carb spacer will
usually cure the problem.

Randy
brain dead in PA

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:05:04 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Shift Points and Launch RPM

In a message dated 98-09-22 12:43:47 EDT, you write:

<< Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift points
 are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
  >>
I launch at 1200 RPM and shift at 5700rpm.  My 60' times are 1.700's and a
couple of 1.69's.  later W MACHINES

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:06:58 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Headgasket goodwill policy.

In a message dated 98-09-22 13:31:15 EDT, you write:

<< I heard from our 442 club that oldsmobile offered a " Goodwill policy" of
 replacing the original head gasket in the quad 442 for a 100.00 deductible.
 Is this true?


  >>
They replaced the one on my Quad 442 for free.  It is more than a goodwill
policy.  Its because they had a recall on the head gaskets.  Its known as a
bulletin about the failure of headgaskets on said car.

W MACHINES

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:12:13 -0500
From: "Johnson, Sam" <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
Subject: RE: Shift Points and Launch RPM

With my 455 I shift at about 5700 and my 60 ft time is 1.9 or something like
that.  It would have been better but it was my first time at the track.  My
ET Is a low thirteen.  I try to launch at about 2000.

I hope this helps
======================
Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>1971 Cutlass S 455
>Westside! Chitown IL
21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
======================


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	The Viking [SMTP:avar@infinet.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, September 22, 1998 11:37 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Shift Points and Launch RPM

	Out or more than idle curiousity what launch rpms and what shift
points are you 455 owners using? What 60' times are acceptable?
	Al Varhus
	Columbus, Ohio
	http://www.infinet.com/~avar <http://www.infinet.com/~avar>
	http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
<http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html>
	Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
	Mid Ohio Chapter #136
	Gem City Rockets
	

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:55:56 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Warm Holley - was Ignition Problem - Need Advice

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> Percolates?

        Well, let me backtrack a bit.  Technically speaking, (man, I hate 
saying
that) I may have misused the term "percolation."  It's a condition caused when 
a
hot engine is shut off.  The fuel in the bowls percolates (boils) from the heat
and bubbles out the main nozzles.  It then drips down the carb, seeps past the
throttle blades and onto the manifold.  When you try to restart the hot car, 
the
mixture is too rich and makes for hard starting.  It acts slightly flooded.
Insulating gaskets, spacers, etc. are one way to help.

> So, how exactly does gas in float percolating keep fuel from flowing properly
> through the idle/off-idle system?

        I haven't found the "technically correct" word here, so I'll call it
"hot idle richness."  It is similar to percolation.  Here, the fuel in the
bowls, main/idle wells, etc. is vaporizing so fast from excess heat that the
vapor is adding to the fuel already flowing out the idle discharge ports.  This
produces an over-rich idle mixture that can make the car idle rough or stall.
The vapor in the bowls gets into the system by exiting the internal vents and,
since it is heavier than air, flowing down the carb throat, past the partially
open throttle blade and into the engine.  I suppose it could also exit the main
nozzles.

    The manufacturers fixed this by adding either hot idle compensators or
various idle air bypasses.

    This is probably the real problem I was having with my Holley, but as I 
said
the insulating spacer was enough to fix it.

    BTW, I gleaned all the above info from Doug Roe's "Rochester Carburetors,"
and some other Holley info I have.  I didn't just make it all up.

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:39:59 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: Overheating

On two of my Cutlass' the temp would slowly go up towards 220 the longer
I drove--both stop & go and highway. I fount the old original radiators,
even though cleaned and flushed still had enough blocked water passages
to the point the cooling ability could no longer maintain a constant
temp. Try a rodding out at a radiator shop or replace the core as I had
done. Solved my problem and I live in the land of 95 degree temp and 95%
humidity.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:44:26 -0500
From: wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us
Subject: 72 Cutlass Gauges

>Date: Tu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:36 -0400
>From: "Jason P. Labay" <jlabay@neo.lrun.com>
>Subject: 72 Cutlass gauge swaps?

>I am looking for some gauges to replace the boring 3 3/4" stock ones in
my 72 Cutlass.  I am >wondering if any other
>year/make/model cars gauges will fit.  I have an 88 Trans Am in the
salvage yard and by >eyeballing it...looks like the
>TA gauges may swap in....obviously with alot of cut/splice custom
install.  I don't want to >buy new gauges from Summit

The 73-77 Buick Century and Regal optional gauge cluster has the same
gauge mechanism as a 70-72 rally pac gauge cluster. The face is plain
and the tabs on the case don't quite line up but can be made to fit. I
have converted several to Olds look-a-like clusters that only an Olds
nut can tell from the original rally pac gauges. I have also taken a
tach with clock from a trans am and made it fit in the clock location.
Was a lot of work but the quartz clock keeps great time and it cost me
less than $20. Let me know if you want more details. I sell the gauge
clusters for $50 if you are interested.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass
wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:48:14 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  UNBOUNCE: G-Body Coil Springs

Gary,
I got a 83 H/O and a 87 442 with moog 5610 front and 5375 rear coil springs
and Gabriel black gas shocks. I find this set up works fine on N.Y. streets.
Hope this helps.
John, Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:53:48 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  g-body

I would like to know if there is a solution to that window problem also. Does
replacing the p/w motor help??
John, Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:58 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Web VIN Decoder

List, if you would, please goto
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock/cutlass/vin.html and see if this decoder works
for your Olds.  Only VIN's from 1981 to 1986 please.

If there are any errors, please e-mail me privately.  Thanks.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:57:40 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

In a message dated 98-09-22 11:54:33 EDT, you write:

<< here's the fallacy with this whole thing.  We've had to put up with
 oxygenated fuels from November to February in the DC area for a number of
 years now.  The changes are _absolutely_ apparent to motorists.  Many
 non-motorhead friends (yes, it is possible to have such friends) have
 commented that their mileage took a dramatic drop at about the time that
 the oxygenated fuels kick in.  This just make sense:  if the fuel also
 contains oxygen, you must use additional fuel for a correct air/fuel ratio.
 Car will run lean, make less power, require additional throttle opening.   >>

     Joe, not familiar with the formulation of gasoline, but here, ARCO sells
the 10%methanol(?) blend all year round, even though they don't have to! Whats
the deal with Benzene though? Isn't that a potent solvent that causes cancer
(what isn't, right?) Perhaps that's new for the oxygen content? Perhaps that
is a better thing than what they put in it now. And we all know what
oxygenated gas does to older bubber and plastic. Glad these people are running
the country..makes me feel good. : )   Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:59:56 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

In a message dated 98-09-22 12:22:21 EDT, you write:

<<  A coworker of mine who runs a nitrous Corvette (so what, right?) passed
some
 interesting info on to me.  He told me someone in the Corvette club he was
 involved in when he was in California said (read: third-hand info) that new
 federal standards were coming out that exempted 1975 cars and older from
emissions
 testing, or at least, compliance.  Can anyone verify or contradict this?

     Thomas P. Smith >>

I personally read in 4 wheel and offroad about 3 months ago, that California
was, in fact, doing this! I think the year was 74 though. And I think it MAY
progress every year (75 next year, 76, etc) And if california does it, maybe
more states will follow. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:12:58 -0400
From: Jim Olson <jolson@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Parts for sale

Located in the Central Michigan Area
Will ship to other areas

For Sale:
*prices do not include shipping or insurance*

1985 Cutlass factory gauge package - $50
1985 Cutlass T-Tops - $50 w/ factory covers (must be insured when
shipped)
1985 Cutlass floor shifter and console - $50
1985 Cutlass heavy duty front sway bar - $40
1985 Cutlass rear sway bar - $25
1985 Cutlass bucket seats (blue) and matching rear seat - $50/all
1985 Cutlass interior panels (blue) - $50 (door and rear side)
1985 Cutlass front and rear bumpers - $50/pair
1985 Cutlass front clip - $75 (w/o radiator)

I have pics for all of these parts (except the sway bars and the t-tops)
if you want to see them.

Again, prices do NOT include shipping.

If you guys (or gals) are interested and you think the prices are too
high, PLEASE make me an offer. I need to unload this stuff quickly!

Did I forget anything?

Jim...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:18:37 -0400
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: 69 Cutlass convertible

Fellow Oldsmobilers,
	I saw a 69 Cutlass convertible for sale, at a gas station near my work.
The owner of the station wasn't available to tell me how much he wanted for
it but I did get a decent lookaround on it.
The body is straight but some rust and the paint is faded beyond help. It
appears to have a 350 (gold paint) motor, 2bbl carb. with a 3 speed
automatic. Floor shift. 40K on the odometer (140K easy). Interior isn't too
bad, rugs are discolored but bucket seats were in good shape. No A/C, am
radio only, power windows. (Go figure) The convertible top looks real tired
but it's all there. Tires looked decent, Rally wheels but I'm not sure if
all the trim rings and center caps were there. Car is Dark blue with a
beige top and interior.  If anyone is interested, it's at Whippany Gulf in
Whippany NJ. Tel.# 973-887-1877
				R. Kevin Noon
				rkn@ezaccess.net
				66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
				85 Delta 88 Royal Brogham

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:36:34 -0400
From: "Worthington, David L" <david_worthington@reyrey.com>
Subject: G-body questions

1.  what is involved in putting an A-body rear exle into a g-body car?  Is
the only difference the upper trailing arm angle?  So far, i've found 3 ways
to go... SSM bars @$375 or Dick Miller arms for $389 or another housing from
Moser for around $400.  there has to be a less expensive way to go.  I have
9-inch ford with a-body brackets (housing only) and a Ch*vy 12-bolt out of a
68 SS.    I want to run the ford since I'll experimenting with gears and
changing pumpkins is easier.  I'm working on putting together a 12.0 car and
the rearend is the only real problem.

2.  Who makes 83/84 H/O spoiler tips?  I just need a left and i'm NOT
spending $900 for an NOS spoiler and dont want to use the similar 82-86
F-body spoiler.  There was someone in JWO around december or january that
was making them, but i cant find the ad to get his number!!  Anyone know who
it is?

3.  I'm uncomputerizing a daily driver (87 Salon with 307).  I'm putting on
a standard q-jet and HEI distirbutor.  On the current distributor, there is
a 4-wire lead from the distibutor to the mail wiring harness in the engine
compartment.  Which wire is the TACH lead?  I need to retain it for the
computer, so it will still lockup the convertor and make the tach work.  I
have the rest of the decomputerization sorted out but this part.  My
attempts to get a service manual for the wiring diagrams have been
unsuccessful.

Thanks Folks!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:43:07 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: Web VIN Decoder

thats pretty cool but the one thing i still dont know is what exactly is a
check digit
Rich
82,85 cutlass supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:48:25 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Web VIN Decoder

On Tuesday, September 22, 1998 4:43 PM, RICH6986@aol.com 
[SMTP:RICH6986@aol.com]
wrote: > thats pretty cool but the one thing i still dont know is what exactly
is a > check digit > Rich > 82,85 cutlass supreme

I believe it's something the government used for one purpose or the other.
There's a mathematical formula to "decode" it, but I know neither the formula
nor the meaning of the "decoded" check digit.  Maybe something for an
automotive quota system, hence the term "check" digit?

Maybe *someone* here knows...

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:50:29 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: tracking

Does anyone know if you can track all previous owners
of a car by Vin number or any other means?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:52:48 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Web VIN Decoder

Go to the web and type "oldsmobile vin numbers"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:54:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Cross Border Shipping Warning

This is sort of non-Olds, but applies to anyone shipping parts to/from
Canada. It has always been a hassle whenever you had to do this, but
lately it seems that things have gotten a little worse when dealing with
the US and Canadian postal services.

Last year I attempted to buy a set of golf clubs (MacGregor JNPs, a very
nice set for those of you who know these things) from a private party in
South Carolina. He received my money order after one month in the mail,
and I never received the clubs. He was able to provide enough info to
allow the package to be tracked to the Canadian border, so I know they
were sent. Unfortunately at that point the trail grew cold and the clubs
are now probably being used by some insider. Hope he shanks them. :(

Earlier this year I got one of Doug Newman's Centennial tapes. Doug
shipped it in a heavy envelope. When it arrived 2-3 weeks later the
envelope was shredded and what was left of it bore a stamp "opened for
customs inspection". Looking for porn, I suppose. It was a miracle that
the tape arrived usable and intact since it simply fell out of the
envelope when I took it out of the mailbox. Disturbing.

Finally this past few weeks Doug offered to pick up some Radio Shack foil
tape for me. It's the stuff used as sensing tape on 8-tracks and has been
discontinued by RS, but he found a supply. It arrived fine because it was
in a box. In turn I sent Doug some cash and a Nova Scotia lapel pin as a
thank-you. He tells me *that* envelope was torn open and the pin missing
when it arrived, though the money was still there.

If you're shipping small parts, I'd suggest boxing them up instead of
using shipping envelopes, and if possible, try FedEx. I cannot recommend
UPS to Canada because of the exorbitant customs charges they impose, but
always found the postal service good until the last year.  Unfortunately
they now seem to be less than trustworthy.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:20:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)

I learned this years ago in a (get this) Fortran programming course. If
you have something like a serial munber, sometimes a check digit is added
at the end to act as a data entry check. It's calculated by a variety of
algorithms and checked on-the-fly by data entry programs.

For example, some algorithms double every second digit, add them all
together, then deduct them from the next-highest number ending in zero
(simple, huh?) -- i.e. a serial number of 123456 would have a check digit
of:

1 + (2*2) + 3 + (4*2) + 5 + (6*2) = 33
40 - 33 = 7

Therefore the check digited s/n is 1234567

Something only a programmer could love...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:13:26 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Web VIN Decoder

Never heard of a check digit.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:12:07 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cross Border Shipping Warning

Anyone from Canada buying parts in US can have them shipped to
my house then pick them up and drive back to Canada with no hassle.
I have done that for a lot of guys from the Olds Club of Canada.
I live just south of Buffalo NY in Orchard Park. Any other info just
e-mail me at rghaun@aol.com.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:28:53 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Shift Points and Launch RPM

I have a ATI 3000 rpm stall w/4.10 rear gears. Launching at 1400-1800 rpm
pending track condition and shifting at 5800 going thru traps at 5800. Tires
are 28x12.5 x15.

60' times are between 1.68 - 1.74
best et 11.80 / 114 mph.

Difficult to use as comparison as really multiple factors come into play
regarding what will work best for any givin motor/rear end combo.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:43:48 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual exhaust

In a message dated 9/22/98 12:56:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vistaboy71@yahoo.com writes:

<<
 Does anybody know if dual exhaust tailpipes

 for a cutlass (68-72) will fit a Vista Cruiser

 from the same year???

  >>
    They will fit but will be wrong, Vista Cruiser pipes exit to the side
behind the wheels, the car tailpipes exit at the rear under the bumpers.

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire    1971 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:50:29 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)

On Tuesday, September 22, 1998 5:20 PM, Greg Beaulieu
[SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca] wrote: > > For example, some algorithms double 
every
second digit, add them all > together, then deduct them from the next-highest
number ending in zero > (simple, huh?)...

Yikes.

> Something only a programmer could love...

Well, I'm a programmer, but sometimes, it's real hard to love the stuff we have
to do!

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:58:39 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)

thanks i understand now

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:51:47 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Fw: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)

- ----------
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 4:49 PM
>
> Joe,
> My comp has a deductible. I had a choice of 50.00,100.00, 250.00or
500.00.
> State farm out of Illinois. Glass is covered under the comp. provision.
> same way on homeowners.
> Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
> 67 442 all orig.
> 75 CS same way
> PS Let me know how Wong does on the G-jet conversion. Also if you deiced
to
> try it. Sounds like a good wintertime project. Can you program the magic
> box with a laptop?
>
> ----------
> > From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Windshield prices (was Windshield Antennas)
> > Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 11:22 PM
> >
> > I think my deductable is about $200 so there wouldn't be much in it for
> me
> > and I would be worried (rightly or wrongly) about my rates going up.
> >
> >
> > Lloyd Ferguson
> > ____________
> >
> > Lloyd,  I don't know what state you live in, but most states have no
> > deductable on glass.
> >
> > Joe Padavano
> > padavano.joe@orbital.com
> >
> > 66 442
> > 68 W-30
> > 69 H/O
> > 70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:20:53 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

> And if california does it, maybe
>more states will follow. Dorian
>

Not likely here in the D.C. area. Virginia has recently gone to a
treadmill test for '80-newer vehicles, and reinstated the old test for
'68-'79 vehicles. This will not be grandfathered each year. The
treadmill test, in addition to H.C. and CO2, will also test NOX levels.

Maryland is going to a treadmill test that is actually tougher to pass
than the Virginia one. This is going to be detrimental to many in
Maryland, which has for the most part been an emissions free state. I do
not believe that the old cars will have to pass the test in MD.

As far as Joe wondering if the oxygenated gas would help out with the
emissions test, the answer is yes and no. The gas will help out on the
early style test, being that leaning the engine out will reduce the H.C.
and CO2 levels. On the treadmill test though, running leaner makes the
engine run hotter, producing higher NOX levels. It's a catch 22
situation.

I'm going to have to say (please no flaming) that I support testing the
older cars again in Virginia. If you get Antique tags for your car you
can only drive it to shows and whatnot (2500 miles a year or less I
think), and you are exempt from the emissions test. This makes sense. If
you drive your car everyday like I do, your car should have to pass just
like everyone else's. It's not like the limits are strict on the older
vehicles anyway. If your car can't pass the old car standards, it
shouldn't be on the road. Mr. Hankey is 29 years old, has over 150,000
miles on an engine that has never been out of it, and he passed with
flying colors. I've only bothered to change the oil once in the last
15,000 miles so it's not upkeep either.

A last note, the MD treadmill test is being done at 50 miles an hour.
Can you imagine trying to put a car like my H/O(4.33:1 rear) on one of
those?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


PS- Before anyone decides that I am, I'm not a hippie. I own several
firearms, eat lots of red meat, think that most emissions laws are crap,
etc. I just am sick of getting behind cars that are blowing smoke and
are still on the road.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:19:51 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass Production numbers

I was wondering if anybody knows how many Cutlass' (Cutlass S and Supremes)
were made in 1972.  It's easy to find out how many 442's but does anyone know
how many Cutlass'?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:22:00 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: License plate choice

Grab it.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442 all orig.
75 CS same way

- ----------
> From: DKlauber@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: License plate choice
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 6:44 AM
>
> I only checked on 2, but both were available.  OLDSW30 is open, and W30
has
> not been registered since 1996 and she said I could get it.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:57:09 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Web VIN Decoder

A check-digit is a basically meaningless digit in a number that is
derived from the rest of them through a standard-ish formula.  It is
used to quickly verify that a number is correct, not having transposed
didgits, as a computer can run the formula in no time flat , and find
90% of all typos right away!

For example, give me all but the last digits of a Canadian Social
Insurance Number, and I can tell you the last one...


Hope it helps,
Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

RICH6986@aol.com wrote:
>
> thats pretty cool but the one thing i still dont know is what exactly is a
> check digit
> Rich
> 82,85 cutlass supreme

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:27:55 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: License plate choice

Andy,
Got a Fax # for Sec of State, some where, saves about two weeks before you
get turned down. I'll find it a post.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:34:00 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: License plate choice

Here in the state of Virginia, the DMV offers a website where you can enter 
your
 choice for personalized (or vanity) license plates to see if the combination
you want is taken. If it's not taken, you can see just how it will appear on
one of many different layouts of tags. then if you still want to get the
plates, you can reserve them (online) and go to DMV to order the said
plates..!! Very, very handy. That's how I got my "vanity" plates for my
Supreme..!!

If you want to check out this site, contact me privately and I'll guide you to
their site.


Mike
'86 442
'86 Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:39:21 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

Joe,
We are supposed to go to emissions testing because we are very close to St.
Lou, which failed terribly in the last EPA test. I was planning on using
that fuel along with a bunch of additives. Scary thought, testing.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: www.epa.gov - emmissions

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:15:02 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

On my 72 Olds Conv.t the top on it is not ripped but the staples on the
front and back areas are rusted out and by a simple hand touch fall apart.
Should I repair this(it it's possible) or just buy a new top from Brothers
for $165.00?? The rear glass window is fine. I can just reuse the old
window with the new top. Is this hard to do?

Thanks

Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:24:51 -0700
From: "Greg" <gjackso1@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Production numbers

If you send me your VIN and body tag numbers I have a book to translate
them.
Greg

- ----------
> From: Cutw29@aol.com
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Cutlass Production numbers
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 3:19 PM
>
> I was wondering if anybody knows how many Cutlass' (Cutlass S and
Supremes)
> were made in 1972.  It's easy to find out how many 442's but does anyone
know
> how many Cutlass'?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:16:51 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme

Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme Production figures:
Hardtop coupe, Base price $3323, Prod. 105087
Convert. Base price $3507, Prod 11571

This info from 'SETTING THE PACE' by Helen Earley,
first lady of Oldsmobile, great book.

Ron Haun
71 442W30 Convert.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:15:31 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Check Digits (was RE: Web VIN Decoder)

At 05:58 PM 9/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>thanks i understand now
>
We wish we didn't ,,,,,, but thanks :)

___
Remember, Traffic lights timed for traffic moving at 35,
are also timed for traffic moving at 70. :)

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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 06:20:14 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 72 Olds TH-350 4sale

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I LIVE NEAR THE CHICAGO AREA. I make sure I post where I am located so  I
don't get ripped on.

It is a TH-350 trans from a 72 Olds 442. The trans worked fine when pulled
but would overhaul it because it has seen its share of miles. The torque
converter is included also. I need the room because I am repainting the car
over the winter and need storage area for my parts.

The price is $50.00 USC.

E-Mail me privately please......

Pettrix@prodigy.net
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:19:41 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: License plate choice

WTHIRTY has my vote!

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:20:35 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible Top:Repair or Replace

The guy that put the top on should have used stainless steel staples
like I have.

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:28:58 -0400
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: My Carb overfloweth!

Last Friday afternoon I was driving on a secondary hiway  with the
traffic at about 50 mph, new stereo cranked up, and noticed some pulsing
in my speed. Turned the stereo down, and heard and felt the engine
cutting out when throttle was let up. Coasted/chugged into the nearest
gas station thinking that fuel was running out (gas guage isnt right)
and filled it up.Only took $12. Popped the hood.... gasoline all over
intake manifold. Cleaned up fuel, started car. Would run by feathering
throttle, until fuel started to pour out of overflow tube, around
accelerator pump shaft, choke linkage....literally from every orifice!
Shut down engine, fuel comes out faster... for a while... then stops.
Phoned my wife to drive an hour to come and get me, and pulled carb off.
Drove home had dinner, picked up Service Manual and my Rochester book by
Doug Roe, drove out to the car club, installed carb overhaul kit that I
bought 2 months ago, cleaned out all gunk, varnish etc and reassembled
carb. Drove back to where Olds is sitting in the dark and reinstalled
carb. Started right up.  Elapsed time from car dying to running again -
8 hours.
It now runs flawlessly. But then again, it ran flawlessly before.

The only thing that seemed like it could be a problem was a bit of crud
in the bottom of the float bowl. Probably caused the float valve to
stick I guess.

Now if I can only get my dash lights to work......

What fun we have with 30 year old cars!

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:26:02 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)

> Really hard
>  to tell, blue smoke and white smoke darn near look the same. Does it smell
>  smoky, like oil. Especially in puffs, sounds like one cyn. doing it. Sure
>  would run a cyn. leak test on it if you can get your hands on one.

Today, I ran it again, just not stressing it.  Had a friend drive slowly
around my driveway, (I was letting him practice parallel parking) I only saw a
very small, almost nothing, amount of smoke, and disappeared when the throttle
was pushed.

And today, when the car was in reverse, it made a really loud clicking noise,
and when I was backing it into the garage, the car was shaking violently.

Any ideas?

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Joe Sherbanenko
jcrash7@aol.com
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:29:17 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: White smoke (and tranny clicking noise)

> If there is condensation then it's water.

Ok then, what does that mean?  I also noticed small little drops of liquid
dripping out of my exhaust pipe.

Joe

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:29:49 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass Production numbers

72 Cutlass S,

Sports Coupe $3079, Prod. 4141
Hardtop Coupe, $3142, Prod. 78461

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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:28:43 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Supreme

What was the production for the Cutlass S in '72?

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:37:26 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: overview

To all:
Seriously, being relatively new to the list I find there are a fine group
of people on it. I like to think I am reasonably bright about cars in
general, but there is a vast amount of collective knowledge on this list,
which I could never accumulate on my own. I know we bend the rules a tad
but I also believe a little humor keeps it interesting. At home I have a (S
something, forgot the key initials) who keeps me in line. Greg, you do a
good job, glad you have to baby-sit and not I. Something good here, hope it
keeps on coming. As Ben F. said "We all have to hang together, or we'll all
hang separately. For our neighbors to the North, Last name, Franklin. Keep
it up, good thing here!
Thanks again Greg, we appreciate it all. If we get out of line, step on us!
no majordomo, no list worth a ****.

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442 all orig.
75 CS same way

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