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oldsmobile-digest     Friday, September 25 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1507



Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage
Re:  Midnight Blue Olds
Re: Speedbleeder
Olds Mailing List Digest Archive 1400 now available
Has anybody seen?.....
Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
Re: digest reply
Re: Aurora rentals?
Re: Has anybody seen?.....
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
61 Starfire interior
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
Re: The elusive sport steering wheel
Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
RE: electric choke
RE: Has anybody seen?.....
RE: Midnight Blue Olds
Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Posi intercange??
Re: electric choke
Re:  Midnight Blue Olds
Read End Gear Ratio
RE: Read End Gear Ratio
Re: Read End Gear Ratio
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Read End Gear Ratio
Wildwood, NJ
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
Re: Posi intercange??
Re: Posi intercange??
1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FS: 1987 Cutlass Salon
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Info needed on 69 442
1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: Read End Gear Ratio
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: 1985 442 FOR SALE
11" question (was Re: complete new rear brakes 4 sale )
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: Midnight Blue Olds
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: 11" question (was Re: complete new rear brakes 4 sale )
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
List Flames
Georges.
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: List Flames
Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision
ADMIN: Re: List Flames
Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.
Fw: OLDS-CUTLASS-F-85 1962 Convertable
Re: Oil Viscosity
Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:07:53 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Air conditioning cycles on Defrost

> I've heard GM cycles the air-conditioning on defrost to remove
> the frost on the wind-shield when the heater is on deforst?
> While this sounds good, I hardly want my air-conditioning cycling
> all winter!!!!
>
> Is this true [?]

Mostly. It doesn't operate the compressor below a certain point,
but I don't remember whether that's around 30 F or higher. On
the '72's I think you should find a two-wire connector hooked
up to a temperature sensor in the HVAC box under the hood in
the vicinity of the resistor pack. Actually I think it's more
or less on top of the A/C ductwork, in the area of the right
side hood hinge; IIRC, it's up above the other stuff, close
to the underside of the hood.

And for all the complaining we do about quality control sometimes,
I wouldn't worry about this one; the ambient temperature is taken
into account in the design of the system, and if it wants to run
the compressor, I'd go ahead and let it do so. It helps a lot to
keep your windows from fogging.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:11:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: Donald B Cart <dcart@micro.ti.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

 I did watch and tape the show last night. It was pretty good. It Went
through the history of the Olds performance in the 50's through the 71 442.
Showed lots of nice 442's of various years ('64-'70 I think) with owner
interviews. Anyone know these owners on the show ? I only caught one error,
but I'm not an expert. They showed a 70 W30 engine compartment when talking
about a 68 H/O. At least it was a 455. I'll have to watch it again.

 Looking at the schedule on www.speedvision.com, looks like it airs at 9:30am
CDT today, in just a few minutes...

Don

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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:21:14 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

well oce again the powers have erred the show entitled camaro is the 442
episode I will tape the episode when it next airs if the powers would pull
their heads out of their ................well never mind if it were labled
right I would have taped it already........kk

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:12:42 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inaccurate Fuel Guage

> there are two connectors in the trunk by the latch which go
> through a grommet (brown and tan or pink from memory), one is
> the license plate light and the other the fuel sender.

The brown wire is the taillamp/license light circuit; the tan
wire is the fuel sender circuit.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:14:15 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re:  Midnight Blue Olds

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Peter,

The car on the cover of the Year One catalogue is a 1970 442 W-30 I =
believe.  It is the Astro Blue from 1970.  My favorite color is also the =
Midnight Blue from '70  which is much darker than the Astro Blue.  My =
car is Azure Blue which is very light, very unique color on a 442, it =
has grown on me as everyone else loves it too.  I need a repaint soon =
and will be staying with Azure or going to Midnight.  My cowl tag has =
paint code 20 (I think or is that midnight maybe its 19). Anyway the =
code requires that the car should be Azure but I know the tag has been =
changed, was originally gold ( or Azure, then gold, now Azure). Well, =
paint it any color you want but I think they look best when they are at =
least close to an original color.  Let me know, I have some picks of a =
very dark blue 442 I could send you for reference.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:15:08 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Speedbleeder

hmmm   mine where..  hold  (checking auto
bible)............................5/16 maybe.
>Brett
- -----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Speedbleeder


>What size do I get for my 71 Cutlass?
>
>Drums in the Back and Disk in the front.
>======================
>Sam E. Johnson, JR.
>>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
>>1971 Cutlass S 455
>>Westside! Chitown IL
>21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
>======================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett Wilson [SMTP:bwilson@dmotorworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 8:17 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Speedbleeder
>
> Pep boys... Most speed shops.
> >Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson, Sam <SAJOHNSON@usds.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 6:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Speedbleeder
>
>
> >Do they sell these in stores?
> >======================
> >Sam E. Johnson, JR.
> >>  <mailto:Cutlass403@ameritech.net> Cutlass403@ameritech.net
> >>1971 Cutlass S 455
> >>Westside! Chitown IL
> >21 Wins 13 Losses 1Tie
> >======================
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Rothe. [SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 1998 3:18 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Speedbleeder
> >
> > > << http://www.speedbleeder.com >>
> >
> > Got two sets of them last year.  Got one set on my 71 442, and one
> >on
> > the GMC truck.  Work GREAT!!!!  One person is all you need to
> >manually
> > bleed the brakes.  I tried em, and I love em.  Not real sure how
> >MANY
> > times you can open/close them before the thread sealer that's on
> >them
> > starts leaking, but hopefully you won't be doing it that much.
> >
> > Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:25:14 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <jeff.easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Olds Mailing List Digest Archive 1400 now available

  The Archive for the Olds Mailing List, Digests #1400 thru #1499 is now
available on my web site.  http:\\www.calcon.net\~easton

  This archive covers the period from Aug 2, 1998 thru Sept. 22 1998.

- -Jeff
Jeff Easton
Grayslake, ILL
1970  442  4-Speed
see the Olds archives at http:\\www.calcon.net\~easton

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:38:42 -0400
From: "Mark Thurman" <Thurman@kvnet.org>
Subject: Has anybody seen?.....

Hi everybody,
I'm new to the list (actually the digest - due to limitations of my ISP) and
relatively new to the internet, so - I was wondering if:
1) anybody had ever seen an "Oldsmobile Parts Illustration Catalog" for
sale?  I got to look thru one while I was at the dealership buying a small
part the other day & it looks like the thing for me, I'm currently into
"year one" of a three year (yeah-right!) restoration of a 1970 Cutlass "S".
The Olds parts counter guy looked stunned when I asked him if the catalog
could be purchased.  So I thought if it's available I'd found out here.
2) what is the going price and availability for 1970 8.5" Type O 3.23 gear
sets (new or used), I'm thinking I'd like to have a set but haven't had any
luck finding them.
A big thanks to all involved with the FAQ page, I've been reading it all
week and have only scratched the surface....Mark

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:41:56 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?

I heard that 2-3 coats of a basecoat in sufficient and then 5-6 coats of
clear is better than 3-4 coats of clear. This is due to the fact that the
clear will make the paint shine more and is more durable. Is this correct?
Pettrix@prodigy.net
___________

Be careful not to confuse the new basecoat/clearcoat paints with the older
process of simply shooting a clear laquer or polyurethane over regular
paint.  In the first case, the paint is designed to work together and the
exact number of coats of each is exactly specified.  In the second case,
you are correct in that more clear layers will make the paint look
"deeper", but the down side is that the thicker paint will crack more
readily, especially under temperature extremes.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:46:32 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: digest reply

> I used to live on the Canadian praries and if you ever tried to turn over a
> compressor with 80 weight oil at 40 below I think the belt would snap.

My compressor comes on at all temperatures as far as I can tell.  We usually 
get
at least a week or two of 10 below (F) each winter.  Besides, the control 
switch
has to go past A/C to get to Defrost (or even heater), and wouldn't the
compressor engage there at least momentarily?

>      Karl, another question comes to mind. Aren't catalytic convertors
> supposed to have fresh air injected into them? I know the newer (my 86 does)
> cats do. Also, heat WOULD be a concern, if they need to heat up to be
> effective. I think that would be easy to overcome, just move them closer to
> the engine! I read a bit in a mid 70's Chilton's that stated the cat's at 
that
> time did very little good, so little that you could remove them and not tell
> the difference! (how that could be true beats me though) So if non-injected
> convertors don't work, what would be the point? Just curious, as always,

The ones that require air injection are called 3-way catalytic converters,
popular from the early 80's on.  I think they contain both an oxidizer and a
reducer, where a standard cat contains only one.

On the bright side, my '84 H/O has passed emissions twice with the air tube to
the cat rotted through at the bottom and non functional.  They don't have a
visual inspection here in WA or measure NOx.  Only CO2, CO, and hydrocarbons.
They do put you on a chassis dyno though at 30 mph (side note:  Apparently if
it's a manual tranny the technician must do the dyno, they let you do it if 
it's
an automatic. Took me several minutes to convince them that the lightning rods
were NOT a stick shift :-) ).

... And, as of two weeks ago the '84 H/O just passed emissions with *NO*
catalytic converter.  I don't remember the exact results, but CO was zero and
hydrocarbons were very minimal.  Talk about a load off my mind, I wasn't 
looking
forward to the swapping-the-cat dance.  Good until fall 2000 now!

My recipie for passing emissions that has worked on 5 different vehicles so 
far:
    - Replace cap, rotor, and plugs.  Wires too if they look marginal.
    - Replace fuel filter, air filter too if it looks dirty.
    - Thorough squirting of carb cleaner through carb, followed by oil change.
    - Clean out PCV valve or replace.
    - Set ignition timing to stock.
    - Lean out idle mixture until car starts to stumble, then back just enough
so that it runs okay.
    - Fill up with 87 octane gas, take 'er out on the freeway for at least 10
minutes, then go take your emissions test.

> Subject: RE: Speedbleeder
>
> Do they sell these in stores?

Actually, I just saw some on a rack near the counter at my local NAPA store.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:47:31 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Aurora rentals?

Does anyone know what car rental companies rent Auroras?
_________

Can't say that I've ever seen one (and I travel a lot on business), though
there are local rental franchises that sometimes have unusual cars (the
_Budget Rental Cars_ in Beverly Hills, for example, rents Ferraris and
Rolls Royces).  Could the dealer have meant that the car was a lease return
car, perhaps?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:52:39 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Has anybody seen?.....

1) anybody had ever seen an "Oldsmobile Parts Illustration Catalog" for
sale?
__________

I got mine at a swap meet years ago.  Typically, the dealerships would
throw the old ones away when they got a new one; if you knew the guy at the
parts counter you could sometimes get them.  Unfortunately, the books from
the years you're interested in are likely all gone from dealerships.  Check
Hemmings, particularly the vendors who specialize in automotive literature
(like Faxons and Walter Miller).  Didn't I also see a vendor selling
reprints of these?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:53:41 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Did they at least show a 68 Hurst/Olds in the program???????



Vinny
68 Hurst/Olds
62 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:05:22 -0500
From: "jeff_rowray" <jeff_rowray@email.msn.com>
Subject: 61 Starfire interior

I need any info on what the 61 Starfire interior is supposed to look like.
I  want to do it original.  I have ordered the door panels, but need to know
the correct stiching for the seats.  Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Jeff Rowray           405 364 5479   fax 405 579 3144    jeff_rowray@msn.com
2348 blue ct.
Norman Ok. 73026

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:08:30 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

yup
- -----Original Message-----
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com <HURSTOLDZ@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision


>Did they at least show a 68 Hurst/Olds in the program???????
>
>
>
>Vinny
>68 Hurst/Olds
>62 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:28:09 -0400
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?

I am an amateur painter. I have done 2 cars, 1 truck, 1 truck topper, and last
night I repainted the bumper on a 98 Buick Century rental car. (My buddy got
too close to a garage door). With a few bugs on the bumper they'll never know
when he turns it in on Monday!
There is a bulletin board that I found that is strictly spray painting.
http://www.horizonweb.com/wwwboard/spray_101/wwwboard.html
It is THE PLACE for all answers paint related. I have bookmarked the site and
check it weekly to see the new questions.
Take the time to ask your questions here. There are several professionals
involved, and you can learn alot from other peoples questions. It is
administered by Len Stuart who also made a video called "Spray Painting 101".
I have his video, it is an excellent reference for a novice.
The recommendation in applying base clear is "Spray base until even coverage
appears, then 1 extra coat (2 extra coats if its Red!)" When applying clear,
spray clear until good flow, gloss, and depth appears. Spray an extra coat or
2 if you plan to color sand and rub out the finish.

I have mostly used BASF R-M products (because I used to work for BASF), laquer
primer, urethane based primer, epoxy primer, Acrylic laquer, Urethane and
Base/Clear, and they all spray differently. Its not WHAT you use its how you
use it. The most expensive paint doesnt matter without the proper prep and
application.

I sprayed my 69 Cutlass Conv in Matador Red Base/Clear, and it turned out
great. I did 4 coats of base and 4 coats of clear, and I plan to sand out the
finish this winter to really make it smooth. I used about 5 litres of base and
about litres of clear to do the car. I painted all the door jambs, hinges
inside trunklid etc as this was a color change. I have rec'd compliments from
bodymen on my car. They cant believe that someone who drives a phone and a
computer knows how to use thier hands.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:20:53 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: The elusive sport steering wheel

hey what 69 parts do you have?......kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com <SOMMERVLLE@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: The elusive sport steering wheel


>Scott, have one off of a 70 442 complete should be the same as a 71 let me
>know if you are interested. Hey list what is a fair price for these? let me
>know please. Thanks Chris
>
>Chris Sommerville
>69 442 SC
>70 442HC
>70 W31
>AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:22:22 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?

yeah it is ppg not ditz any more same stuff and same product line but it
says ppg instead of ditzler good paint...kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?


>I don't think I've seen Ditzler mentioned (maybe that is a brand name of
one
>of the companies whose paint has been mentioned???). I see that sign on a
lot
>of the auto shops around here (TN). I used their 2-part acrylic on a
>motorcycle a few years back and it worked well for this beginner.
>
>Also, a BIL of myin told me that for non-metallic colors, a one-coat system
>works well. I didn't quiz him on the meaning, but maybe that's a linear
poly??
>anyone familiar with the term as it applies to automotible painting?
>
>cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:42:32 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

> I only caught one error,
>but I'm not an expert.

what was that aluminum center-section rear end they mentioned on
the '70 model year? I thoutht that it was only a aluminum cover.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:52:11 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

what was that aluminum center-section rear end they mentioned on
the '70 model year? I thoutht that it was only a aluminum cover.
_____________

The factory W-27 rear end used an aluminum center section in addition to
the aluminum cover.  These are quite rare and pricey, as you might imagine.
The cover was available over the parts counter as a dealer-installed
option, and has been reproduced today.  The problem with the W-27 is that
the aluminum center section would split under high horsepower applications,
particularly with slicks.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:04:42 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: electric choke

There's a little screw that you can only barely get at
with the carb on car. I think it takes a 5/16's or 1/4"
socket ( if you can get at it). It's kind of behind the elec.
choke unit and you'll have to remove it, back off the
screw a few turns, then test the setting by reinstalling
the choke. Adjust until you're satisfied. This took me
a long time to figure out.

If you don't mind putting the carb on/off, that's the
easiest way to see this thing. Basically it adjusts
the primary butterflies separate or before the idle
kicks in.

hope this helps,

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: RGHaun@aol.com [mailto:RGHaun@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 5:39 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:electric choke
>
>
> Am Running a holley 0-3310-2 carb with an electric choke
> on a torker 455 manifold (the one with the big toilet).
> Turned the choke counter clockwise but the idle is still
> pretty fast at warm up, and idea how to slow it down?
>
> Thanks, Ron Haun
> 71 442 W30 Convert.
> Orchard Park, NY
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:06:13 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Has anybody seen?.....

I have a parts catalag which covers 65-67.
Lots of cool drawings and exploded views
of things. I've sent a few jpegs to Bryce for
his site.

It's out there, but I recall paying some $60
or so for it at Lansing.

cf

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:00:01 -0700
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Midnight Blue Olds

I have a paint chip and paint code chart on my Web site if you want to see
the colors. It is at :

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/color.htm
<http://home1.gte.net/betzel/color.htm>

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	steven@purplemonkey.com
[SMTP:steven@purplemonkey.com]
		Sent:	Friday, September 25, 1998 10:14 AM
		To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
		Subject:	Re:  Midnight Blue Olds

		Peter,

		The car on the cover of the Year One catalogue is a 1970 442
W-30 I believe.  It is the Astro Blue from 1970.  My favorite color is also
the Midnight Blue from '70  which is much darker than the Astro Blue.  My
car is Azure Blue which is very light, very unique color on a 442, it has
grown on me as everyone else loves it too.  I need a repaint soon and will
be staying with Azure or going to Midnight.  My cowl tag has paint code 20
(I think or is that midnight maybe its 19). Anyway the code requires that
the car should be Azure but I know the tag has been changed, was originally
gold ( or Azure, then gold, now Azure). Well, paint it any color you want
but I think they look best when they are at least close to an original
color.  Let me know, I have some picks of a very dark blue 442 I could send
you for reference.

		Steven
		70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:14:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: jtherndon@webtv.net (Jeff Herndon)
Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)

Besides, the control switch has to go past A/C to get to Defrost (or
even heater), and wouldn't the compressor engage there at least
momentarily?

I'm new to the list, but I thought I would pass this along. On my 86
there is a brief time delay when engaging the compressor, about 2-3
seconds. I suppose this prevents needless cycling of the compressor when
going from "Off" to "Heat" or "Vent". I'm in South Carolina, so not much
experience with relly cold weather, but the compressor does come on line
in "Defrost" mode, and it does cycle, but i'm not sure of the timing.
Very good for dealing with a foggy windshield on humid mornings. Also,
on cold start-up the compressor will not engage until the engine's been
running for about 20-30 seconds. Not sure why.

I wonder, is it worthwhile to change out the r-12 unit to r-134a? Are
those conversion kits for $40 off the shelf effective, or potentially
damaging to the existing system?

BTW, I'm really enjoying the list. I'm sure I'll be posting more
questions once I get around to turning my "Gutless" into a real Olds.

Talk to y'all later.

Jeff Herndon

86 CS 307Y

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:43:30 -0500
From: "David Popadic" <davepop@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

Was wondering if someone would be so kind as to tape the Oldsmobile/442
special and mail me a copy.  I would GLADLY send a couple of bucks for the
tape and your time.

Please respond privately  davepop@execpc.com

Thanks,
Dave
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:24:04 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Posi intercange??

Will the posi unit out of a 66 olds 12 bolt fit in a 70 olds 12 bolt?  Also,
the 66 rear end (the one with the posi) has 2.73 gears.  Is the carrier for
those gears the same as for 3.23s?  Thanks for any help.

Ryan

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:29:40 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: electric choke

Thanks Chris for your reply on the choke problem.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:  Midnight Blue Olds

  I'm getting my '70 Cutlass painted as we speak.  I'm going with
Viking Blue, with Platinum stripes on the hood.  My car was originally
azure blue, but I decided to go with something different.  I was going
to go with the Twilight blue, but it was too dark to go with my
interior.
I say go with something that compliments the interior, but make sure
that it's a color that you really like, because you're the one that's
going to be driving the car.

Hope this helps.

stefan
sgadecki@yahoo.com
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe (getting bodified)
1978 Subaru GF (winter beater with a huge 1.6 engine, 0-60 in about 10
hours)



_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:15:42 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Read End Gear Ratio

I have a '72 Cutlass "S" that came with the stock 350 2bbl and air
conditioning.  I was wondering what the stock rear end ratio was.  I don't
know but I think that I've read that on the axle housing there is a code
stamped.  I looked on my car but didn't see anything.  If anybody knows where
to look and what the various codes are I would greatly appreciate it.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:28:59 -0400
From: Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca
Subject: RE: Read End Gear Ratio

Assuming that your Cutlass has no rear-end upgrade I would have to guess
that it was using 2.73:1. That's the standard gear ratio for that years
model. There is indeed a code and justifiably you won't find it as it is
quite difficult to find, especially if the axle tubes have the slightest
rust on them. The code should be located on the passenger side on the inside
portion, that is the side the axle tube facing towards the front of the car.
I'm quite sure that's it's location. That's were I found mine.

As for the codes themselves, I don't have my chassis manual handy with me,
so I can't be for sure. Maybe someone else can supply these?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Cutw29@aol.com [SMTP:Cutw29@aol.com]
> Sent:	Friday, September 25, 1998 1:16 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Read End Gear Ratio
>
> I have a '72 Cutlass "S" that came with the stock 350 2bbl and air
> conditioning.  I was wondering what the stock rear end ratio was.  I don't
> know but I think that I've read that on the axle housing there is a code
> stamped.  I looked on my car but didn't see anything.  If anybody knows
> where
> to look and what the various codes are I would greatly appreciate it.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: jtherndon@webtv.net (Jeff Herndon)
Subject: Re: Read End Gear Ratio

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IIRC, the FAQ's at www.442.com has an extensive description of rear end
ratio and size identification. You have to dig through the site for it,
but there's lots of info.

Jeff Herndon

86 CS 307Y


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I have a '72 Cutlass "S" that came with the stock 350 2bbl and air
conditioning.  I was wondering what the stock rear end ratio was.  I don't
know but I think that I've read that on the axle housing there is a code
stamped.  I looked on my car but didn't see anything.  If anybody knows where
to look and what the various codes are I would greatly appreciate it.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:30:54 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

I would also be willing to pay for a copy of the show.
Please reply  to  bwilson@dmotorworks.com
>Brett Wilson
67 Cutlass Convertible (red, loud, fast,  is there any other way)

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:37:53 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: Read End Gear Ratio

Thanks for the info.  I've never done rear end work before and I am wondering
how hard it would be to change to 3.73's?  I've read that the Oldsmobile rear
end is very expensive and hard to find parts to upgrade.  Is this true?

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:44:40 EDT
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: Wildwood, NJ

Is anyone going to Wildwood this weekend.  It's cruise weekend.  For anyone
who likes rods, customs and originals, it is a fantastic weekend full of
special events.  Not to mention hundreds and hundreds of cars.

Tim
'68 Delmont
'76 Cutlass street stock

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:53:58 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

W-27  the carrier was aluminum   not the axle tubes

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:53:09 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

please   someone tape the show for me!!!!!!!!!


Vinny

68 Hurst/Olds
62 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:59:30 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posi intercange??

In a message dated 98-09-25 12:27:31 EDT, you write:

<< Will the posi unit out of a 66 olds 12 bolt fit in a 70 olds 12 bolt?
Also,
 the 66 rear end (the one with the posi) has 2.73 gears.  Is the carrier for
 those gears the same as for 3.23s?  Thanks for any help.

 Ryan
  >>
If it's an "O" axle it should fit. The "P" axle is 2.73 to 3.08, so it
wouldn't fit. Dorian

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:23:33 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Posi intercange??

Will the posi unit out of a 66 olds 12 bolt fit in a 70 olds 12 bolt?
Also,
the 66 rear end (the one with the posi) has 2.73 gears.  Is the carrier for
those gears the same as for 3.23s?  Thanks for any help.

Ryan
__________

Well, it depends on whether it's a Type C(hevy) or Type O(lds) rear.  The
Type C 12 bolts have 12 bolts holding the ring gear to the carrier, and
it's an 8.875" ring gear.  The Type O "12 bolt" actually only has 10 bolts
holding the ring gear to the carrier and it's an 8.5" ring gear.  BTW, are
you talking about full-size car axles or A-body axles, as it makes a
difference.  Note also that the Type O rear didn't get installed in the
A-body cars until 1967.  You can identify the two externally by the rear
cover; both have 12 bolts holding the rear cover on, but the Type O uses a
smooth cover, while the Type C has a pronounced inverted "V" ridge stamped
into the cover.  Note, by the way, that I've ignored for the moment the
differences in axle splines.  You'll obviously need the axles that match
your carrier (at the moment I couldn't recite which are which).  Note also
that if you plan to  swap carrier and axles together, the 67-earlier A-body
axle housings are about an inch narrower than the 68-up housings.  I
beleive that there may also have been some differences in the axle
bearings.

I believe that 2.73 and 3.23 were the high and low gear sets that could be
used with the 3-series carrier, so yes, you should be ok there.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:07:47 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1985 442 IMMACULATE CONDITION FOR SALE

White w/gray bottom. Customized interior, was blue cloth is now gray leather
with wood trimming & wood steering wheel. Customized tires and rims. Stereo
includes Sony detach radio with matching CD changer. Wood shift knob, alarm
steering column collar (to prevent theft)

Engine

1985 307 (63,000 original miles)
200-4r tranny (Posi rear), all seals and gaskets changed 4/98
Exhaust was don from engine all the way back (2.5" wide pipes w/2.25" chrome
tips)
T-tops

INQUIRE WITHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:11:08 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: FS: 1987 Cutlass Salon

Saw a BEAUTIFUL Cutlass Salon in the local Wal-Mart lot today.  Dark red with
dark red vinyl top.
 307-Y with overdrive tranny.  Beautiful chrome SSIII's with 235/60R14 
Firestone
Firehawks.
 Wonderful burgundy interior also.  Odometer said 67-some thousand miles.  The
condition would lead me to believe that it hasn't turned over yet!

The sign said $4995 and the phone number is 540-381-5140.

Again, usual disclaimers apply.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:14:43 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had a grey and silver 85 442.  It was stolen 3 weeks to the day I bought it.
I loved it for 3 weeks

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:17:05 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Info needed on 69 442

As I noted, I recently purchased a 69 442, but I need the following info:

1)  What are the dimensions for the "442" emblem holes in the fenders? The
car has non-442 front fenders and I'd like to reinstall the emblems.

2)  What are the dimensions for the W-42 hood stipes?  These are the wide
stripes on the raised areas of the hood, similar to the stripes on the
70-72 W-25 hoods.

TIA

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:24:51 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: 1985 442 FOR SALE

IMMACULATE 1985 442

WHITE W/GRAY BOTTOM, GRAY STRIPES & NUMBERS, T-TOP, CUSTOM RIMS & TIRES,
ALARM,STEERING COLUMN COLLAR (TO PREVENT THEFT), EXHAUST REDONE 9/98 FROM
THE CAT. BACK. 2.5" WIDE PIPES W/2.25" CHROME TIPS. SONY STEREO WITH
MATCHING CD CHANGER. 307 (63,000 ORIGINAL MILES), 200-4R TRANNY (ALL SEALS
AND GASKETS REPLACED), GRAY LEATHER INTERIOR WITH WOOD GRAIN DASH, STEERING
WHEEL AND SHIFT KNOB (CHANGED FROM ORIGINAL BLUE CLOTH). SERIOUS INQUIRES
ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:18:54 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Read End Gear Ratio

I upgraded from 2:73 to 3:90 gears, purchased all parts from
Summit racing and had local Olds dealer install everything.
I went to a Olds 12 bolt rear end froma 70 on my 71 (posi)
not a one wheel peal.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:34:15 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAKE ME AN OFFER I CANNO'T REFUSE
AGAIN ONLY IF YOUR SERIUOS

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:35:58 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAKE ME AN OFFER I CANNOT REFUSE
AGAIN ONLY IF YOUR SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:45:37 -0700
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: RE: 1985 442 FOR SALE

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HOW MUCH IS IT?????????

- -----Original Message-----
From:	FRANK MONTERO [SMTP:parc@erols.com]
Sent:	Friday, September 25, 1998 12:25 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	1985 442 FOR SALE

IMMACULATE 1985 442

WHITE W/GRAY BOTTOM, GRAY STRIPES & NUMBERS, T-TOP, CUSTOM RIMS & TIRES,
ALARM,STEERING COLUMN COLLAR (TO PREVENT THEFT), EXHAUST REDONE 9/98 FROM
THE CAT. BACK. 2.5" WIDE PIPES W/2.25" CHROME TIPS. SONY STEREO WITH
MATCHING CD CHANGER. 307 (63,000 ORIGINAL MILES), 200-4R TRANNY (ALL SEALS
AND GASKETS REPLACED), GRAY LEATHER INTERIOR WITH WOOD GRAIN DASH, STEERING
WHEEL AND SHIFT KNOB (CHANGED FROM ORIGINAL BLUE CLOTH). SERIOUS INQUIRES
ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:46:50 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: 11" question (was Re: complete new rear brakes 4 sale )

At 11:52 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> I recently upgraded my rear brakes to 11'' on my 72 cutlass.



Are the 11" drums you used 11" x 2 1/2" ?
I've been considering doing the same thing on the '66 Vista-cruiser,
but wagons use a 2 1/2" wide drum.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:53:37 -0400
From: "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE

$10,000+

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:53:37 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds

That would be nice if you can send some pics of 70-72 442 conv't's that are
blue. I
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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From: Steven Saraceno <steven@purplemonkey.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Subject: Re:  Midnight Blue Olds
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 9:14 AM

Peter,

The car on the cover of the Year One catalogue is a 1970 442 W-30 I
believe.  It is the Astro Blue from 1970.  My favorite color is also the
Midnight Blue from '70  which is much darker than the Astro Blue.  My car
is Azure Blue which is very light, very unique color on a 442, it has grown
on me as everyone else loves it too.  I need a repaint soon and will be
staying with Azure or going to Midnight.  My cowl tag has paint code 20 (I
think or is that midnight maybe its 19). Anyway the code requires that the
car should be Azure but I know the tag has been changed, was originally
gold ( or Azure, then gold, now Azure). Well, paint it any color you want
but I think they look best when they are at least close to an original
color.  Let me know, I have some picks of a very dark blue 442 I could send
you for reference.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:59:00 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE

Of course, you would have to be crazy....!!!


From:          "FRANK MONTERO" <parc@erols.com>

$10,000+

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:03:14 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: 11" question (was Re: complete new rear brakes 4 sale )

In a message dated 9/25/98, 12:52:27 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<Are the 11" drums you used 11" x 2 1/2" ?
I've been considering doing the same thing on the '66 Vista-cruiser,
but wagons use a 2 1/2" wide drum.>>
to be honest i dont remember. they are off a 76malibu non wagon due to bolt
pattern differences

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:08:51 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE

krzy4evr@usit.net wrote:
>
> Of course, you would have to be crazy....!!!

I thought you were crazy (krzy4evr), well at least forever. :-)

Chris

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:11:31 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FRANK MONTERO wrote:
>
> MAKE ME AN OFFER I CANNOT REFUSE
> AGAIN ONLY IF YOUR SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!


hahaha.  So I guess I can NEVER be serious.  Let's see, got a black one,
a grey one...now all I need is a blue one and a white one and I'll have
the whole collection!  Kinda like big Hotwheels!  But this one seems too
modified for my tastes... :)

Mike Rothe

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:19:59 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In a message dated 9/25/98
 2:<BR35:<BR25 PM Central Daylight Tim, parc@erols.com writes:

> MAKE ME AN OFFER I CANNOT REFUSE
>  AGAIN ONLY IF YOUR SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

You idiot! Post one polite message with all the info. How can someone be
seriously interested when you haven't said what the price is?

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:29:02 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: List Flames

> You idiot! Post one polite message with all the info. How can someone be
> seriously interested when you haven't said what the price is?

C'mon folks.  Please.  Let's settle down here.  No need for flaming
anyone publicly. I'll assume that post was supposed to be private and a
mistake was made. Just because the person doesn't post messages the way
you like doesn't mean they are an idiot.  After all, it's an Olds
owner.  If you feel the need to challenge something someone said in a
less than reasonably polite manner, then try to do it personally.
Kidding around is one thing, but I hate to see this type of thing get
outta hand.  This list exists for OUR benefit, so let's all try to be
beneficial to each other.  I'd hate to have to "go to detention"....

Figured I better say something before Greg chastizes ALL of us...AGAIN!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:33:44 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Georges.

Washed the 442 last night....end of Olds content.

Well folks, I'm not sure how many on this list will be affected by the
company of Georges, (I think a couple more of us may) but here it's now
starting to get a bit more windy and the rain is starting.  May God be
with us.

Later,  I hope! :)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:36:38 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any one feel the earthquake in NY?
Ron Haun Orchard Park NY

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:40:18 -0600
From: Les Knopp <LESK@wcs.edu>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0

anyone out there got a 91 or 92 trofeo for sale?  if so, please contact me
at


lesk@wcs.edu

thanks

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:45:08 EDT
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: List Flames

In a message dated 9/25/98
 3:<BR34:<BR43 PM Central Daylight Tim, hurstolds@xtalwind.net writes:

> C'mon folks.  Please.  Let's settle down here.  No need for flaming
>  anyone publicly.
 Well,

of course you are correct. I overreacted to what I thought was unnecessarily
juvenile and boorish. I think the best interpretation would be that the chap
was merely excited.

I apologize to all.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:34:25 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision

guys I taped the show and if you want to send a note to me privately I would
be glad to make you a copy for the cost of the tape.....kk
- -----Original Message-----
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com <HURSTOLDZ@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: American Musclecar:Oldsmobile/Hurst 442 on Speedvision


>W-27  the carrier was aluminum   not the axle tubes

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:57:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: List Flames

Mike R. beat me to it and he made all the right points. Just as a reminder
to newer members, I take list etiquette rather seriously and refuse to let
this list degenerate into a newsgroup-style flamefest. Please read the
guidelines contained in your welcome message and try to abide by them.

As a general rule, I like to see for sale messages contained all in one
post, not a series, and it's usually a good thing to quote a price range.
Just as I dislike ads in the paper that don't give a price, I don't like
seeing that here either.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:49:09 -0700
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
Subject: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.

let me know privately how many of you want a copy and then I will run the
copies they will be labled and on a standard vhs  ntsc format tape
sorry cant do PAL anymore tapes should run about 3-4 dollars edited no
commercial interuptions should be about 20 minutes the show with commercials
was only 30 minutes ............the cost includes shipping....kk

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:34:16 -0400
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Fw: OLDS-CUTLASS-F-85 1962 Convertable

- -----Original Message-----
From: SChm995 <schm995@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 10:23 PM
Subject: OLDS-CUTLASS-F-85 1962 Convertable


>
>I' ve never even seen another rag top and only 2 hard tops!   FIRST YEAR
OLDS
>MADE A CUTLASS   LOOKS KINDA LIKE A SHORT(CORVAIR/buick/falcon/starfire)
blend
>This car was 85% restored by my grandfather and I 15 yrs ago then put in a
>storage shed --not touched since 1984.  Have original parts, Hydro-shift 3
>speed automatic on the floor, have original owners manual, I am 2d owner,
if
>memory is correct less than 88,000 miles---needs new chrome and top
>motor--------by this time it probably needs new eng and trans---------any
idea
>re: value now vs.totally restored ?
>Has anyone else seen one of these...........located in Ga.        please
>respond
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:59:37 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Viscosity

>
>> believe if I remember right, cause a stuck ring problem. 20w50 works
>> well for engines with larger clearances-- some of our well seasoned
>> 350's and 455's-- but not in cold climates in a daily driver as it would
>> make starting harder.
>
>What about just plain 30 weight?
>
>Chris Sparks


My 85 owners manual says straight 30 weight is the only oil that wouldn't
void the warrantee on the car. That's what GM required.

drc

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:59:57 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

List,
     I've just gotten the opportunity to by an 80's Cutlass (not sure on what
year, I go see it Mon.), and here's what I know about it.

I know for sure that it is between 84-88
Built 350 (Edelbrock heads, carb, etc...)
THM350 Trans
3.73 Limited slip rear end
Good paint with a couple minor rust spots
Don't know about rims or tires

Here's the best feature-
$850-  He has to sell it because he got a new car and has no room for his old
Cutlass.

TIA,
Joe

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