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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, October 31 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1580



69 Cutlass "S" body parts
T3 headlights
Sticking fast idle cam on 2GC??
Ertl collectibles 69 442 W-30
Re: A quick question.
Re: T3 headlights
Re: A quick question.
Re: T3 headlights
Re: A quick question.
Re: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts
Re: A quick question.
Re: K&N Tech Question
Re: A quick question.
RE: pleease delete me from list
71 442 Convertible for sale
Top Boot 4sale
74 442 help\parts\forsale
Re: 74 442 help\parts\forsale
Who Owns the Rights to Q-Jets??? - New Q-Jets?
POR's Pelucid
Re: response to "a quick question"
Re: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts
RE: POR's Pelucid
Signing off for now - baby coming.
Re: 442?
Re: Who Owns the Rights to Q-Jets??? - New Q-Jets?
Re: 64 olds 88
Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?
RE: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?
Re: 74 442 help\parts\forsale
engine swap question
426 SB Chevy
Re: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Re: T3 headlights answered
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Fwd: por15.com Catalog Request Form Submission
Re: 71 442 Convertible for sale
Re: 64 olds 88
Re: Rice Wheels (was Karl Aune - third person dialogue?)
Re: Ertl collectibles 69 442 W-30
58 Eighty Eight
Re: engine swap question
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Re: Signing off for now - baby coming.
Re: POR's Pelucid
Re: 426 SB Chevy
RE: Signing off for now - baby coming.
Re: T3 headlights answered
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Did you get my last message?
Re: Signing off for now - baby coming.
the one(442) that got away
Re: T3 headlights
Re: 426 SB Chevy
Re: the one(442) that got away

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:19:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts

Hello again list,

Does anyone out there know where you can find front quarter panels for
a 69 Cutlass "S"? I have been able to find the rear but absolutely
nothing for the front.

Thanks,
Del




==
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http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:46:58 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: T3 headlights

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:59:44 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Sticking fast idle cam on 2GC??

Recently:

>Got fast idle at start and then slow idle last night but fast idle only this
morning.
>last peek showed all functioning OK, mebbe just needs some WD-40 or liquid
>wrench (motor oil??) to enable fast idle cam to turn freely

 robertan@cfw.com writes:

<< Mine used to do this.  I found that the choke plate was binding in the bore
 of the carb-  <snip>  Was mostly near the pivots, I think.
 Maybe your's is just gunked- that would be nice.  Get it real hot and use
 carb cleaner on it.

 Must move REAL free and easy to work right. >>

That's probably it.
Recall from other day that it would rotate but not all ~that~ freely.
Fast Idle again to work and back.
Gonna fire her up later and watch what happens there.

As the cam-attaching screw is easily accessible, may remove it and polish the
cam's surface inside the attaching screw hole.

Incidentally, to the many who showed up for Rocket Talk, thanks.
Feel free to visit the same site at your convenience, but often there is no-
one there.
Heck! J.L. isn't really there even when he is!  :-)}

And shame on you guys for wasting bandwidth to discuss Karl's grammar.
Karl's Grammar lives in Minneapolis, MN.

SOM

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:22:34 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Ertl collectibles 69 442 W-30

I just bought one of these and I'm a little disappointed.  The air
scoops are chrome, the inner fenders look red, and there's a spot for a
right hand mirror cut into the door but no mirror.

On the other hand it feels substantial and I should be able to smarten
it up with a little paint.

If anyone know of a source for a rear wing for the 1/18" model then
please post to me (the list don't care).

- --

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.23 (Kermit)

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:26:31 -0500
From: David Booker <dbooker@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: A quick question.

>I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme.  The previous owner removed the 350 and
>replaced it with a 78 403.  The car runs well.  The problem is when I am
>under hard acceleration (passing gear and four barrel open.) I here a
>clattering noise.  I think is is in the valve train. Does this sound
>familur to anyone?
>
>Thanks  Jason Shreve
>danzig@midwest.net
>
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Could be simply a knock - maybe even too low octane on your gasoline. I
have to put an octane booster in my '69 442/400 to get it to run on most
pump gas.

Could also be timing, and any other of a host of things. But, try the gas
first.


David Booker

'69 442

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:51:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: T3 headlights

I think you can buy them for around $25 each. So I'd suggest you try to sell
them.

Heck, if you want to give them away, I'll pay for the shipping.

At 11:46 AM 10/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I just put halogens in my 68 Supreme and found that all 4 of the
>headlights I replaced were the original T3's.  They all work but
>the question is this.  Should I hold onto them in case someone
>else should need them for a restoration or is there a source where
>they can get them?  I won't ever restore the car to that extent but
>I don't want to just trash them if someone else could use them.
>
>Mike B
>mbloomer@gateway.net
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:55:52 EST
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: A quick question.

Sounds like lifters clattering.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:56:47 EST
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: T3 headlights

In a message dated 10/30/98 12:52:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mbloomer@gateway.net writes:

<< mbloomer@gateway.net >>
Don't get rid of them.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:16:41 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A quick question.

93 BP.

>Hummmm, Sounds like clattering valves to me. What kind of gas are you
>running.
>
>jason shreve wrote:
>
>> I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme.  The previous owner removed the 350 and
>> replaced it with a 78 403.  The car runs well.  The problem is when I
am
>> under hard acceleration (passing gear and four barrel open.) I here a
>> clattering noise.  I think is is in the valve train. Does this sound
>> familur to anyone?
>>
>> Thanks  Jason Shreve
>> danzig@midwest.net
>>
>> ______________________________________________________
>> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:24:27 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts

Alas they dont make them so you have to patch and straighten or buy used
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
To: Oldsmobile E-mail Ring <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 11:19 AM
Subject: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts


>Hello again list,
>
>Does anyone out there know where you can find front quarter panels for
>a 69 Cutlass "S"? I have been able to find the rear but absolutely
>nothing for the front.
>
>Thanks,
>Del
>
>
>
>
>==
>Rock-Man's Page
>http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:27:53 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A quick question.

>> The problem is when I am under hard acceleration (passing gear and
>> four barrel open.) I hear a clattering noise.  I think is is in the
>> valve train. Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>
> Could be simply a knock - maybe even too low octane on your
> gasoline.
[...]
> Could also be timing, and any other of a host of things. But, try
> the gas first.

Second that. I use 89 octane routinely. Tried 87 octane a couple of
times and always got knocking.

I would check the timing anyway, though; it could be that low-octane
gas is just bad enough to exaggerate knocking caused by bad timing.
(Engines can be _really_ out of whack and still run, but it costs you
in wasted gas over the long run.)

Are you sure that when the previous owner swapped in the 403, he got
all the vacuum lines routed properly so it's getting proper vacuum
advance?

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:53:43 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: K&N Tech Question

> Sent the question of whether the K&N will cause increased fuel
> consumption to the K&N rep and here is what he sent me back.

I haven't seen much of this thread so far, but I'll add a couple points to the
melting pot here.  There are certain to be many variables from vehicle to
vehicle, and these will cause ~any~ answer to have muddy points.  Point one,
what kind of air cleaner ~was~ on there before?  Point two, how much of it was
replaced?  If you replace a stock single snorkel (read: "restricted!") air
cleaner with a free-flow open element, you'll run a good chance of a rejetting,
provided it was tuned to run with the stock setup.  Whereas simply replacing 
the
element, leaving the stock housing alone, you'll probably not see much of a
difference ~anywhere.~  Point three, the airflow improvements will be achieved
throughout the RPM band, that's a given assumption.  But, that improvement will
not be equal among all points of the rpm range.  That is, at WOT, you may see
(hypothetically) a 15% increase in airflow, but at idle, you'll probably be
closer to 3%.  Point four, there's not going to be an appreciable 
pressurization
of the incoming air simply from a different air cleaner element.  There'll
simply be more air available for the engine to draw in.  Unless there's Ram 
Air,
or a blower somewhere, nothing's gonna be forcing it into the carb.  The
barometric pressure acting on the fuel inside will remain the same.

With more air available, the engine can breathe easier, yes.  This ~may~ (on
some poorly equipped cars) cause an increased idle speed, which, ~yes~ will use
more fuel than a lower speed (logically)  But simply turning the idle down
should cure all that instantly.  You're most likely to notice the improvements
at higher RPMs, where the old restrictions really had their affect.  This may
give a tendance to "play" a little harder, which will also use more fuel.  But,
element for element, I can't see a fuel consumption ~increase~ from a free-er
flowing air filter.  Personal theories, here, but food for thought to all.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:04:02 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: A quick question.

I just went through this same senario...clankig, pinging , on hard
acceleration. It turned out to be a faulty benbix (gear return) spring in the
starter...it was allowing the starter gear to slide into contact with the
rotating flexplate. It was VERY hard to diagnose.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:04:19 -0500
From: DAMEROW@ATL.MEDIAONE.NET
Subject: RE: pleease delete me from list

Please unsubscribe me from the  list .....I'm just a poor lurker with a 68
cutlass S convert.  Thks.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:42:32 -0500
From: Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com (Blankenship, Mike)
Subject: 71 442 Convertible for sale

For Sale:  1971 442 Convertible, Saturn Gold with Black interior. has 70   455
with numbers matching T400. Dual Gate, Rallye PAC, Ram Air with   Breather, 
nice
interior, new windshield, A/C, PS, PDB, Posi rear end,   Rechromed rear bumper
w/guards,  motor has about 15,000 miles, needs   fenders and paint. $8,000.

Mike Blankenship
Acworth, Georgia
Mike.Blankenship@medaphis.com


Mike T. Blankenship
811 E. Livingston Court
Marietta, Georgia 30067
(W)770-423-5279
(F)770-424-6928
(P)888-875-4543

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:07:04 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Top Boot 4sale

I have a top boot for sale that is from a 72 442 convertible. It is a
saddle brown color and has no rips or tears. The tuck strip and 4 buttons
are intact. It does show some wear and is not show quality, but is a good
alternative to buying a brand new one. New top boots go for around $100.00,
I am selling mine for $45.00 USC.

If interested E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:58:33 -0500
From: Todd <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: 74 442 help\parts\forsale

just got a 74 442 today but i cant find any info on this year can help me
pls. heres the vin # 3G37K4M302515

also is the bucket seats for this year(74) interchange with 71 cutlass
and also would the disk brakes fit the 71 cutlass ??

and if anyone is in need of any parts from a 74 442 cutlass let me know i
mite part it out or sell the hole thing and if i cant part it out its going
to the crusher by next month

ps.. its blue with white int. used to have white vynle top but has been
removed and has been hit in the drivers side front (deer) but i have a
fender for it has 350 with ac radio with 8 track.... all org.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:13:07 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 74 442 help\parts\forsale

just got a 74 442 today...would the disk brakes fit the 71 cutlass ??
________

Unfortunately, no.  The 73-up A-body cars use ball joints with different
tapers than those on the 64-72 cars.  In fact, GM went to a common ball
joint size, with the 70-81 F-body, the 73-up A/G body, and the 77-up B-body
cars all using the same ball joints top and bottom.

The calipers _will_ interchange onto a 69-72 A-body, but that's about it.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:25:38 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Who Owns the Rights to Q-Jets??? - New Q-Jets?

Still working on that one.

The story to date:

Karl, in an effort to "publish" (~with~ permission) Rochester carb tecnical
data and specs, has been trying to locate someone in GM or elsewhere who is in
a position to give such permissions.

Found (after several day's delayed reply) a customer service # (of sorts) for
Oldsmobile.
Better than what Karl had before.
(zilch!)

Dialed that Tel#.
Recording: Disconnected.

So some searching later: found an 800 # for the same service.

(incidentally  800 442-6537 Olds customer assistance)

This number put Karl into a touch tone routing system that dumped him once.
Second time he was greeted with a VERY friendly and helpful woman who gave the
# of the GM operator, and then transferred Karl directly to that #.

Thats when everything changed.
Karl knows Rochester Products Division.
Karl knows Rochester, MN.
Karl knows Rochester and Jack Benny (but kinda before my time).

Everytime Karl mentioned Rochester, operator asked "New York?"

Several re-explanations later.....Karl has # for "Delphi Rochester" ?????

"We do not make the Carburetors anymore...."

Who does???

Weber U.S.A.????

The plot thins;
GM apparently sold Rochester Product Division (or just the carburetor
producing portion) to Magnetti Marelli. Karl mentioned this previously.

Apparently, MM bought the capital tooling equipment (Karl reads this as heavvy
stuff like CNC lathes....) from GM and in the guise of Weber U.S.A. is
producing Q-Jet parts for GM's Service Product Order department.
Also the finer tooling seems to still belong to GM.

Further; Q-Jet part production will apparently cease in 1999.

So Technically, one could say that new Q-jet parts are still being made, but
are being used for carbs being serviced.

And Karl still not know who owns rights to Roch carbs, but got more #s to find
out!

And it is way past Karl's bedtime.

Other news.

<< Karl,
Talk in the third person if you want. >>

Karl appreciates Dave's sentiments, which merit thanks.

However, the grammar utilized in this or any other missive has never catered
to outside influence, nor will it.

Besides, there is nothing that could be done to stop Karl!

He has a large Oldsmobile and is willing to use it.

BTW  Good one Andy!!!

SOM

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:06:45 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: POR's Pelucid

The folks at POR15 have a product called Pelucid, which they claim is a
crystal clear, rock hard coating. I bought some, thinking I would coat the
backsides of my new chrome wheels so that brake dust and road grime wouldn't
make them as nasty and make cleanup easier. My theory was that the Pelucid
would coat the chrome and not let the dirt and water get to it.

Well, I finally opened it today and I was amazed. I could see the bottom of
the can as if it were empty. It really is completely and totally clear. I used
a foam brush to apply it to the backs of my wheels, and it went on and dried
totally clear. Wow! I don't know how it will hold up in that application, but
so far I am impressed. I plan to use it on the backs of my bumpers and maybe
on my chrome emblems and other small pieces.

POR claims it will withstand 400 degrees, and will not chip, yellow or peel.
If it is as good as their POR15, then I will be a very happy camper indeed.
I'm not connected with POR in any way, but I thought the list might like
knowing about this stuff.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:12:09 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: response to "a quick question"

Hello Jason,
 The noise that you hear has nothing to do with the valves. The
"pinging" noise you hear are uncontrolled, violent explosions occuring
in the combustion chamber, instead of a controlled burning process.
 The 403 is detonation[ping] prone due to it's large bore diameter, and
it's cylinder head's large open chambers.
 You could run better gas, or retard the timing a couple degrees[not the
best solution]. You could try richening the secondary side of the carb,
but that may not help.
 BTW detonation is VERY harmfull to the engine.
Dave Brode


> jason shreve wrote:
>
> > I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme.  The previous owner removed the 350 and
> > replaced it with a 78 403.  The car runs well.  The problem is when I am> >
under hard acceleration (passing gear and four barrel open.) I here a> >
clattering noise.  I think is is in the valve train. Does this sound> > failur
to anyone? > > > > Thanks  Jason Shreve > > danzig@midwest.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:30:46 -0800
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass "S" body parts

This should do the trick for ya. Contact Larry Camuso@ Westcoast
Sheetmetal, located in San Jose, California. His phone number is
1-408-286-6537. I know this guy personally, he has TONS of parts. Hope
this helps.

Rock Man wrote:

> Hello again list,
>
> Does anyone out there know where you can find front quarter panels for
> a 69 Cutlass "S"? I have been able to find the rear but absolutely
> nothing for the front.
>
> Thanks,
> Del
>
> ==
> Rock-Man's Page
> http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
> 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
> 1986 Honda Accord DX
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:34:07 -0500
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: POR's Pelucid

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jon442@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 5:07 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: POR's Pelucid

<Snip>

POR claims it will withstand 400 degrees, and will not chip, yellow or peel.
If it is as good as their POR15, then I will be a very happy camper indeed.
I'm not connected with POR in any way, but I thought the list might like
knowing about this stuff.

Jon

<GJC>

Sorry list, would have sent this private but Jon didn't include an
e-address.

Is there any reference to ultraviolet reactions? You said, they claim non
yellowing, I wonder about that.

If it does holdup to UV, It would be great to do trim with to keep it
bright. Huummm...


- -----Regards,

   G.J.C
Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
ICQ# 5209322
518-622-0376
mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

Couse Custom Cutlass,
'86 CC-IROC-SS-#1 = "Quincy"
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:50:06 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Signing off for now - baby coming.

I don't know that this really affects anyone on the list, but I'm
signing off for the weekend at least. My wife and I are expecting a baby
whose due date is tomorrow (Halloween). Provided he's on schedule, I'll
be away for a few weeks...if not, talk to you Monday!

Olds content - I tried desperately to convince my wife that we should
name him Harley Earl.....to no avail.  Oh well! The first thing he'll
see outside of the house is the Olds!

Good Bye for now.

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible.
mb0@americancentury.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:54:07 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 442?

Really, let him have a good time, if he's happy, then it's no one's
business. I have a 75 Cut Sup that I dumped about 7 grand in, but it's not
a collector car, at least not yet. I'm happy as Sh*t. Never get my money
back, but who gives a big rats ass. My money, my time.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
PS Deer sausage is selling well. Might make 50 or 60 bucks.

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> From: Jon442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 442?
> Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:26 PM
>
> It's distressing to me to see such a negative tone about this subject on
this
> list. And in some cases, downright nastiness. This reminds me of an
article in
> the last issue of JWO, where the proud owner of a '74 H/O got slammed by
a
> judge at a car show because his car was not pristine enough.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:55:46 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Who Owns the Rights to Q-Jets??? - New Q-Jets?

> Karl, in an effort to "publish" (~with~ permission) Rochester carb
> tecnical data and specs, has been trying to locate someone in GM or
> elsewhere who is in a position to give such permissions.

Given that you have documented this search of yours and logged all
the people you've spoken with, it seems to me you've done more than
a token effort to get permission for this stuff. I'd go ahead and
publish whatever you have, then wait to see whose lawyers squawk.
You could even put a blurb across the top reading something like
"permission requested to reprint the following", maybe. It's not
like you're giving away information that someone else is trying
to sell. (um, are you?)

Somebody else on the Olds list (raise your hand?) had been reposting
old ads or car reviews, IIRC, until some lawyer from Motor Trend or
Oldsmobile or some such outfit asked him to stop. Anyone remember
the details of that?

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:00:01 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 64 olds 88

Think the same, solenoid.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 64 olds 88
> Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 6:41 AM
>
> Mike, when you replaced the starter did you also replace the solenoid?  I
> had the same problem with one of my 98's.  In my case the solenoid would
not
> release and the starter would continue to run.  Peter.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MIKE KINNEY <KINNEYLM@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: 64 olds 88
>
>
> I have a 64 olds super 88 (394c.i.) with an ignition problem, the
> problem is when i crank it over the starter will continue to crank even
> when i let off the key, i have to get out of the car and disconnect the
> battery cable to shut down the starter, I replaced the starter and the
> ignition switch and ignition switch connector. the starter will do this
> only when its cold after it warms up its fine. any ideas out there as
> this is driving me crazy. thanks.
>
>
> 64 olds super 88 holiday sedan
> 86 chev S-10
> 89 buick century
> 94 pont  transport
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:08:17 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?

The thread on Pelucid reminded me of something which has been driving
me crazy. I'm looking for some kind of spray-on solvent which will
get brake dust off cast alloy wheels. This is for my Bonneville which
has cast crosslace wheels (those gold designs with the silver rims);
I hope the Olds relevance here is that GM presumably has similar ones
for Oldsmobiles.  :-)

The car had a binding caliper slide which chewed through a rotor
pad and turned the wheel brown. I have a can of Mother's Mag Wheel
Polish, but cleaning this by hand doesn't look practical; there's a
million tiny crevices in the cast lacing design. Periodic washings do
keep the other wheels clean, but this one's too far gone. Any pointers
to a spray-on product which won't harm what I guess is a clearcoat
finish (?) would be appreciated...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:28:54 -0500
From: "<GJC> Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?

If you stop in any large chain auto supply store you'll find hundreds of
products. Take your time and read them. You'll see their are very specific
ones for the different wheel materials on the market, including clear coated
wheels.

- -----Regards,

   G.J.C
Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
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518-622-0376
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- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 6:08 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?


The thread on Pelucid reminded me of something which has been driving
me crazy. I'm looking for some kind of spray-on solvent which will
get brake dust off cast alloy wheels. This is for my Bonneville which
has cast crosslace wheels (those gold designs with the silver rims);
I hope the Olds relevance here is that GM presumably has similar ones
for Oldsmobiles.  :-)

The car had a binding caliper slide which chewed through a rotor
pad and turned the wheel brown. I have a can of Mother's Mag Wheel
Polish, but cleaning this by hand doesn't look practical; there's a
million tiny crevices in the cast lacing design. Periodic washings do
keep the other wheels clean, but this one's too far gone. Any pointers
to a spray-on product which won't harm what I guess is a clearcoat
finish (?) would be appreciated...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:30:07 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: 74 442 help\parts\forsale

what do you want for the 74 442? condition? location? as for the 71, the seats
would work, but no they are not the same, nietherwill the disc brake setup
work. what parts do you need for your 71 im parting a 71 s thanks
dennis
w451973@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:39:47 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: engine swap question

Has any one tryed to put a 455 in a class C motor home{ Class C  looks
like a van in front} I know about trans differance., Need to know if
motor will fit without cutting up dog house.   Thanks     Butch  68
442  post

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:41:30 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 426 SB Chevy

No flames please.  I am not doing this (putting a Chevy in a Olds), but
rather my friend.  I tried to tell him that a Olds is the way to go, but due
to money problems he needs to get a SB Chevy.  Reason: he already has a 305
(so intake, oil pan, etc..) for a Chevy, as well as a Chevy trans, headers.
All of these things would have to be replaced in order to house an Olds.
Also, SB Chev has by far the cheapest rebuild kits and performance parts, we
all know that.  Okay, his plan is to take a mid-70s 400 that he has, bore it
.060 over (can be done, right) and put some higher compression pistons in.
Also, junk the stock intake for a 4-bbl truck unit (no emissions) and a
non-emissions 4-bbl carb.  If money permits, Edelbrock intake and a better
carb would be added.  What kind of heads does he need to get, like from a
earlier SB.  I believe that the 400 passenger car heads were crappy.  Also,
what cam should he run.  He is looking for good bottom end and excellent
midrange.  He wants to run 2.73 gears, maybe 3.73 at a later date.  The
shifts would be made at 5000 rpm, which is a good top end for a street car.
What other mods should he do for a cheap rebuild that has some go.  Stock
converter would be used and perhaps a shift-kit w/cooler.  He would consider
a 350 SB Chev but would like more CIDs, so a 400 is a good idea.  Thanks a
lot.  The car is a '86 Cutlass Salon with T-tops, gauges, buckets and
console.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:50:50 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?

Andy,
Had a 76 TA, used Eagle1one etching mag wheel cleaner on the honeycomb
wheels, they had gray paint and polished alum on them. No clear coat, but
it didn't eat the paint and did a heck of a job on the alum. Wife's Gran
Prix has coated alum wheels on it. Dummy balanced the wheels with weights
on the outside, they tore thru the coating and reacted with the alum on the
wheels. Rebalanced them, inside only. Used the same stuff on her car,
cleaned up the dark spots from the weights and did not eat the clear coat
on the rest. Sure is easier then trying to get into all those little spots
with fingers.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Good cleaner for brake dust on alloy wheels?
> Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 5:08 PM
>
> The thread on Pelucid reminded me of something which has been driving
> me crazy. I'm looking for some kind of spray-on solvent which will
> get brake dust off cast alloy wheels. This is for my Bonneville which
> has cast crosslace wheels (those gold designs with the silver rims);
> I hope the Olds relevance here is that GM presumably has similar ones
> for Oldsmobiles.  :-)
>
> The car had a binding caliper slide which chewed through a rotor
> pad and turned the wheel brown. I have a can of Mother's Mag Wheel
> Polish, but cleaning this by hand doesn't look practical; there's a
> million tiny crevices in the cast lacing design. Periodic washings do
> keep the other wheels clean, but this one's too far gone. Any pointers
> to a spray-on product which won't harm what I guess is a clearcoat
> finish (?) would be appreciated...
>
> -- Andy
>
> ______________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:02:34 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

Here's a thought...ask Chevy questions on a Chevy List!
Mike Evans
Richland, MI

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:17:30 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

>Here's a thought...ask Chevy questions on a Chevy List!
>Mike Evans

>Richland, MI


I would but remember one important factor: IT IS IN A OLDSMOBILE, and this
being an OLDS list there is justification.  It is not like FACTORY never put
the CHEVY motors in an olds.  Because of it he is stuck with Chevy unless
you are willing to donate a nice olds transmission and headers so that he
can change.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:17:15 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: T3 headlights answered

 save the t-3's yes they are dimmer than the halogen..
but i'm sure you know sommeone that could use em...

they are like gold...

olds guy

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:33:08 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:
>
> >Here's a thought...ask Chevy questions on a Chevy List!
> >Mike Evans
[snip]
> you are willing to donate a nice olds transmission and headers so that he
> can change.

Woah. Easy guys! No need for flames here. We're all friends here,
remember? Just calm down.

Probably earlier sb heads would work well. A good cam would be any one
of Comp Cams Dual Energy cams. These have great midrange. 2.73 gears and
stock converter should work, as long as his motor isn't too throaty.

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*************
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:27:15 EST
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:29:35 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 442 Convertible for sale

hay mike  would you like your ad in the dixie olds club N/L



jeff......

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:30:54 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 64 olds 88

peter    didn't see anything for the N/L  i could have eraced it????


jeff   pls send again....

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:45:24 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Rice Wheels (was Karl Aune - third person dialogue?)

David L Wyatt wrote:

> These kids with the rice grinder cars will soon
> experience their own equipment failures and go back to stock ride heights.
> Especially when the new wife complaigns about it while she is pregnant.  They
> will soon be in mini vans and not nearly as cool as they had imagined.  Time
> and age is a great equalizer.

My brother turns wrenches on Mercedes and the shop also does Toyotas.
Anyways, they've had 2 Toyotas come in that the owners have put the
short wide tires on and BROKE suspension & steering components.  It
seems that the extra grab of the wider tires put too much force on the
suspension.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:47:55 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ertl collectibles 69 442 W-30

Cliff Simpson wrote:
>
> I just bought one of these and I'm a little disappointed.  The air
> scoops are chrome, the inner fenders look red, and there's a spot for a
> right hand mirror cut into the door but no mirror.

OK, the scoops are chrome and shouldn't be, but the inner fenders SHOULD
be red.
As far as the mirror, they used the same casting for the '69 H/O which
has one there.

> If anyone know of a source for a rear wing for the 1/18" model then
> please post to me (the list don't care).

Yes, get the Ertl '69 H/O.  However, the wing was not an option on the
442 in '69.

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71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:57:40 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: 58 Eighty Eight

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Went junkyard scrounging today and found a '58 88 according to the
tail light lenses.  There's not much there worth much but it had most
if not all of the side trim intact and most of the Olds scripts.  The
front bumper was in core shape and also had some dash pieces.=20
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back later.  Also found two '70 Cutlass S HT's in decent shape and=20
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pieces I'll be glad to pull 'em & send them on for what they cost me
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:11:51 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: engine swap question

Has any one tryed to put a 455 in a class C motor home{ Class C  looks
like a van in front} I know about trans differance., Need to know if
motor will fit without cutting up dog house.   Thanks     Butch  68
442  post
____________

Butch, is this motor home based on the Chevy/GMC G-body van (the full size
van)?  If so, didn't these, like the C/K pickups, come with the Olds 350
diesel for a few years in the late 70s/early 80s?  If so, the motor (big or
small Olds) will be a bolt-in with the diesel motor mounts.  You will, of
course, need either a new BOP transmission or an adapter plate to the Chevy
trans.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:17:07 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

for the same amount of money, can go with an early model 455 or 425 with stock
manifolds and a decent tune job, t350 trans (very cheap and easy to find) will
still blow the doors off theCH^%@@^VY!!!!!!!    remember on THIS list, chevy
is a bad word.  my .02
dennis
w451973@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:41:54 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: Signing off for now - baby coming.

- -
Oh well! The first thing he'll
>see outside of the house is the Olds!
>Mike Baugher


Mike,
both my kids (19 mos. and 1 month)  were brought home from the hospital in
my 72 Supreme.
The older cant stand to be in a quiet new car.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:47:52 EST
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: POR's Pelucid

i used the pelucid stuff about 6 months ago and all i have to do is use a dry
cloth to wipe the rims and they look brand new again

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:50:22 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

>Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:
>>
>> >Here's a thought...ask Chevy questions on a Chevy List!
>> >Mike Evans
>[snip]
>> you are willing to donate a nice olds transmission and headers so that he
>> can change.
>
>Woah. Easy guys! No need for flames here. We're all friends here,
>remember? Just calm down.
>
>
I agree, the car did come w/ a ch*vy motor in it but its still an Olds.
What
about a guy that had a ch*vy with an Olds motor?  It's not his fault he has
a morphadite.

First question, where are you getting 426 cu in from?  A 406 is a .060 400
if I remember right but it may be .030 over but unless you stroke it, you
can't get 426.  Next thing, DO NOT bore the block .060 over unless you
have it sonic tested first.  Core shift is very prevelent on the 400's and
can
ruin everthing at .060 over.  Also, be sure that whatever heads you use you
drill the factory steam hole in them.  Due to the siamesed cyl's ch*vy put a
steam hole running through the top of the block into the heads.  Use the
head gasket as a template on whatever heads you run and drill the steam
hole into the water jackets.  As far as what heads to run it depends on
what you can find cheap.  If the 400 heads are in good shape save the
money and use them and save for a set of twisted wedge heads which
will outflow any stock heads and come comlete w/ stainless valves for
about a grand.  Not cheap but you'll spend more trying to find a set of
vintage heads that you can do a valve job on plus the cost of the valves.
As far as cam stay close to .500 lift and consider tightening the lobe
centers to stay compatible with pump gas.  As for specific specs call
one of the mfr's tech lines and they'll set you up once you have the rest
of the combo finalized.  It's not a real heavy car so with the gears and
a mild cam you should be able to use the stock converter.  Make sure
you have a good radiator since 400's tend to run hot due to the
siamesed cyls.  For ignition a healthy HEI will work but a good
investment would be an Accel drop in coil and your best bet would be
a MSD HEI kit that runs about $180.  I would spend the money on the
MSD before the carb and intake though.  As far as induction goes
your truck intake is a good idea if you can get one easy but you can
usually find a used Edelbrock from someone who is upgrading for
about $30 or so if you do a little searching.  Ditto for a carb.  You can
find used Holleys all over the place cheap just gotta invest the time
to rebuild it.  Good luck.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:01:47 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Signing off for now - baby coming.

Hey, congratulations...first one?!  A future Olds-folk...

Ray Costanzo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of MB0
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 11:50 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Signing off for now - baby coming.
>
>
> I don't know that this really affects anyone on the list, but I'm
> signing off for the weekend at least. My wife and I are expecting a baby
> whose due date is tomorrow (Halloween). Provided he's on schedule, I'll
> be away for a few weeks...if not, talk to you Monday!
>
> Olds content - I tried desperately to convince my wife that we should
> name him Harley Earl.....to no avail.  Oh well! The first thing he'll
> see outside of the house is the Olds!
>
> Good Bye for now.
>
> Mike Baugher
> 69 Cutlass S convertible.
> mb0@americancentury.com
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:30:37 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: T3 headlights answered

OldsGuyGA@aol.com wrote:
>
>  save the t-3's yes they are dimmer than the halogen..
> but i'm sure you know sommeone that could use em...
>
> they are like gold...

I assume you are talking about used T-3 headlights that are still good.
If so then I need to start collecting them when I go to the yards.  I've
seen a few and basically ignored them as my cars had the lights in
them.  (Not much quarters in some, but the headlights were fine.)  Is
there any market for them?

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:35:51 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

>for the same amount of money, can go with an early model 455 or 425 with
stock
>manifolds and a decent tune job, t350 trans (very cheap and easy to find)
will
>still blow the doors off theCH^%@@^VY!!!!!!!    remember on THIS list,
chevy
>is a bad word.

I totally agree, but he won't listen.  He does like the Olds motor, however
because he has the headers and exhaust for the small-block Chev, this is
what he wants to use.  He is a university student so he has no money.  As
far as for the truck intake, another friend who upgraded to Edelbrock and
Holly has this intake and Q-jet, so the Cutlass guy would get it free.

>What
>about a guy that had a ch*vy with an Olds motor?  It's not his fault he has
>a morphadite.

Yes.  Look at now, all are "corporate engines".  It happens.  I am a
die-hard Olds guy and even if I got a Chevy truck (need a truck), when the
mouse motor went I would put in a BB olds or a built 403.  However, I don't
disrespect or underestimate any motor.

>First question, where are you getting 426 cu in from?  A 406 is a .060 400

Sorry, did not pay attention.

I agree with the .060 over.  I would do .030 or even .020 over myself.  He
wants .060 over.  Also on that note, everyone says that the MSD is a good
ignition.  I have a stock HEI from my '81 Delta's 307 with the ACCEL coil (I
had from my first hot-rod days with the old 307) in my 455.  I also put in a
morso curve kit and accel wires.  Would a different distributor (like MSD)
and some other components make a bid difference.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/200-4R/propane)
1981 Dodge MaxiVan (367/727/4.10)

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:47:03 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Signing off for now - baby coming.

Chris Brown wrote:
>
> -
> Oh well! The first thing he'll
> >see outside of the house is the Olds!
> >Mike Baugher
>
> Mike,
> both my kids (19 mos. and 1 month)  were brought home from the hospital in
> my 72 Supreme.
> The older cant stand to be in a quiet new car.

It's amazing what a little kick in the memory can do for you.  I had
forgotten that my oldest daughter went to the delivery room AND home in
my 69 S convertible.  My in-laws were following me up there (about a 14
mile ride) and had a little trouble keeping up with the 350 4 speed.
Brings back memories of how much fun I had with that car.  People that
have been on the list for a year or so will probably remember this is
the one that disappearred for 5 years or so and I stole it back. ANOTHER
reason why I have GOT to get it restored.  That car was more fun than it
was legal to have back then.  I had truly forgotten about this and have
never told her.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:15:39 -0800
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: the one(442) that got away

for those who had mentioned the scaricity of 442 convertibles I thought I would
share an ad found at recycler.com

"68 Oldsmobile 442 convertible, muscle car, rocket 350, 400 Turbo, all 
original,
auto, good condition, red /blk, white top, runs perfect, $5000 or best offer"

I called and it was already sold, and of the course(since I missed it), it was
the original owner (elderly man), the car was low mileage and his definition of
good condition was off, it sound more like "mint" condition in my book. I have
been totally bummed all day since talking to the guys daughter-in-law. If you
want to see the picture check out this link...........

http://www.recycler.com/asp/AdDetails.asp?sKW=oldsmobile+convertible&bIP=0&cmdB
t
n=Find+It%21&bAnd=1&sAC=%27All%27&iAA=&optWtd=&optSrc=&curNP=&curXP=&iNYr=67&iX
Y
r=73&bIP=0&iSC=5000&iID=14598&sBAC=805&bSQ=0

Bruce
70 Delta 88 conv 350ci
75 Delta 88 Royale conv 455ci

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:37:59 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: T3 headlights

At 11:46 AM 10/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
> I just put halogens in my 68 Supreme and found that all 4 of the
> headlights I replaced were the original T3's.  They all work but
> the question is this.  Should I hold onto them in case someone
> else should need them for a restoration or is there a source where
> they can get them?  I won't ever restore the car to that extent but
> I don't want to just trash them if someone else could use them.


When i got rid of my i just annonced on the list the they were available.
Someone ended up wanting them.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:07:28 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 426 SB Chevy

>
>I agree with the .060 over.  I would do .030 or even .020 over myself.  He
>wants .060 over.  Also on that note, everyone says that the MSD is a good
>ignition.  I have a stock HEI from my '81 Delta's 307 with the ACCEL coil
(I
>had from my first hot-rod days with the old 307) in my 455.  I also put in
a
>morso curve kit and accel wires.  Would a different distributor (like MSD)
>and some other components make a bid difference.  Thanks.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>
The MSD setup I was refering to replaces the HEI coil and moves it to
an external location which lets you run a more powerful coil and let it run
cooler.  The MSD box replaces the HEI ignition module and everything
else remains the same.  The HEI gives you a couple of benifits over a
converted point distributor.  You get the plug end type cap that allows you
to run larger 8 or even 9mm wires.  You get a larger diameter cap that all
but elimanates cross firing completely.  Housings and parts are also very
easy to find and cheap.

The MSD box itself is where the majority of the improvement is at.  In
replacing the ignition module it becomes the brains of system and provides
each cyl with multiple, high intensity sparks that are better able to fire
the
cyl.  The result is that the engine burns fuel more completely and you get
better gas mileage.  Mileage and power increases are dependant on what
type of ignition you used before and how much the ignition is holding the
rest of the motor back.  I've seen about 2-3 mpg avg increase with the MSD
but the amount of power increase you can "feel" on stock motors is
sometime negligable but the more modified the motor, generally more of
an increase.

My 72 Cutlass had a .068 over 350, 10.25:1 CR, big valves, ported heads,
.580 lift cam, EFI, and a stock HEI.  You could smell the fuel in the
exhaust
standing in back of the car!  I installed the MSD and it went from 7 mpg to
16 mpg and I had to richen up the fuel curve.  This is a extreme case but
many RVers swear by it in thier tow rigs which see heavy loads on a regular
basis.  Another benifit is that you can "plug in" accessories such as rev
limiters and timing adjusters that will let you adjust the timing from the
drivers
seat.  Sorry for the length, just want to cover everything.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:58:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: the one(442) that got away

On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Bruce Camilli wrote:
> "68 Oldsmobile 442 convertible, muscle car, rocket 350, 400 Turbo, all
> original, auto, good condition, red /blk, white top, runs perfect, $5000
> or best offer"

Don't feel too bad. It either isn't a real 4-4-2, or it isn't all
original. Couldn't get a 350 in a '68 4-4-2. Still, $5K isn't a bad price
for any Cutlass convertible in nice shape...


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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