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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 8 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1538



Re: Repro H/O emblems
RE: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)
RE: Alldata CD-ROMs
Re: G-Body Tail Light Questions:
Re: G-Body Header Panel Questions:
Re: tragic story
Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)
RE: Alldata CD-ROMs
Olds and Holley
RE: tragic story
The Unit makes it's debut!!
expertise?
vinyl top
Re: The Unit makes it's debut!!
charcoal canister/EGR/PCV
Re: vinyl top
Re: charcoal canister/EGR/PCV
Re: Muscle dealers
Re: BAD Olds Owners (Long)
Re: Repro H/O emblems
Re: The Unit makes it's debut!!
RE: The Unit makes it's debut!!
RE: Still overheating, next step, a kia
Re: Olds Tri-power
RE: G-Body Tail Light Questions:
Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)
Performance Exhaust 1985 442
RE: Aluminum Hoods
Re: Engine Rebuild
Re: Engine Rebuild
Tranny Shop in New England Needed
Introduction
Re: Olds Tri-power
68-72 A Body Heater Cores
Re: Olds Tri-power
RocketTalk tomorrow?
Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)
Re: G-Body Tail Light Questions:
Re: Performance Exhaust 1985 442
Re: tragic story
Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)
Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)
Re: Introduction
Re: Introduction
Re: Tranny Shop in New England Needed
Re: vinyl top
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: tragic story
Re: G-Body Header Panel Questions:
Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)
Re: Performance Exhaust 1985 442
Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?
Fw: ENGINE MOUNTS
Re: 68-72 A Body Heater Cores
Re: tragic story
Re: Repro H/O emblems
Re: Olds and Holley
Oil Pans
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: Olds and Holley
Re: Olds and Holley

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:04:45 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Repro H/O emblems

> Well, I guess I'm pretty lucky that my H/O came with an envelope from Hurst
> Performance that contained three NOS emblems.  Whew!
>
> <bragging mode off>
>
Yes, consider yourself lucky, Joe. (*breaks Joe's bragging mode switch,
but he's probably got an NOS one of those as well*)  I have some myself,
but I was just wondering if the Parts Place was selling CORRECT looking
ones, and not the little different junk.

And just a word about the 69 emblems being metal.  There are some to
believe this to be the case.  THEY WERE NOT!  Metallized yes, all metal,
no.  Copper plate with chrome plating over it.  Just to set the record
straight.  However, different years used different plating, apparently.
I've seen NOS ones that were damaged and were just flash chromed plastic
with no copper coat.  I've YET to see an old H/O emblem pit like an old
442 emblem.  I guess that's because plastic doesn't pit.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:08:18 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

On Wednesday, October 07, 1998 4:56 PM, Mike Rothe.
[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net] wrote: > > And it is correct that 5As were used 
on
the "9" engines.  The roller > cammed "Y" engine I BELIEVE started in 1984, and
continued throughout.

I think the roller motors begun installation in the 1985 model year, and every
307 was roller by 1986.  I know I have an A4 intake and 5A heads, but I
honestly don't know if it has a roller cam.
 I'd doubt it...every place I look, it says that the roller cam starts in
1985/6, including the book The Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile.

Don't the 5A heads indicate a non-roller motor?

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:09:38 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Alldata CD-ROMs

On Wednesday, October 07, 1998 5:51 PM, Chris Fair [SMTP:cfair@FairIsaac.com]
wrote: > What data is on these CD's? > > Would it go back as far as 1966

Actually, no, they don't.  The CD's are for cars made from 1982-1993.

The CD's supposedly give full text from factory recalls and TSB's...if there's
an Internet site out there that gives full documents for free, that'd be great,
but I don't think something like that exists!  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:09:22 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Tail Light Questions:

> Hey!  I never noticed that!  Time to pick up some 95 Cadillac Dark Cherry
> paint and do some painting!

Or, you can still buy new ones.  I got a perfect used set for 86-88 that
was only on the car for about 2 months.  took them off right before I
sold it.  I don't think I'll need them anymore.  I think they list
around 60 bucks each at the dealer.  Again, you can probably find a
discount somewhere....

I will entertain $50 bucks plus shipping for both my slightly used ones,
if anyone needs them.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:15:01 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Header Panel Questions:

> p.s. my 86 had clear lenses up front and my 87 has amber.  From what I've
> noticed, I believe your coworker's 442 should have the rocket, not the
> antique.  I've theorized that, ggeenneerraallllyy, Salons have the rocket
> and Supremes have the crest.  But we all know that would be too simple...

Supremes had clear parking lenses, Calais/Salon had amber.  Don't matter
what other options, including H/O or 442 package.

All 2 door G-body Olds had the antique olds hood ornament from 85-88.
Again, the 87/88s were the only ones to have the rocket emblem between
the grilles in addition to the ornament. (2 door only, earlier 4 doors
did have a rocket between the grilles, but a different one.)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:18:52 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: tragic story

>  Some guy, back in 1982, wanted to get a brand new 442 (cool guy!), and
> he wanted everything a specific way.

Except that it should have been two years earlier or a couple years
later!  The 1982 442 did not exist.  There was a gap from 1981 to 1984
(although they DID have the H/O in 83/84)  Anyway, it's still a shame to
trash an Olds, regardless of the model.

Sorry my senses are keener than normal since Jason Adcock snagged me on
a 84 Salon snafu.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:23:17 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

> I think the roller motors begun installation in the 1985 model year, and 
every
307 was roller by > 1986.  I know I have an A4 intake and 5A heads, but I
honestly don't know if it has a roller cam. >  I'd doubt it...every place I
look, it says that the roller cam starts in 1985/6, including the > book The
Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile. > > Don't the 5A heads indicate a non-roller
motor?

Yeah, you're right.  Only had one "Y" motor in my life (87), so I
admittedly don't pay much attention to them.  I don't refer much to the
manuals either.  I go strictly on memory, which is risky at best.  Guess
I should use references so I'd know the difference between an 84 Salon
and an 84 Calais!!  :)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:20:09 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Alldata CD-ROMs

I ordered one for my 92 Seville. It is mostly a copy of the Service Manual.
I have both the CD and Service Manual. I think the SM has more information
in greater detail then the CD and is a better way to go if you only have one
car. If you are repairing different cars then maybe the CD would be better.
The CD is easy to use and in some areas provides a description of components
.....i.e. the MAP sensor.... and the function of each type.

Bobby

70 442

Escape Back to the....Past

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jason Adcock [SMTP:jadcock@vt.edu]
	Sent:	Wednesday, October 07, 1998 1:13 PM
	To:	'Olds List'
	Subject:	Alldata CD-ROMs

	Has anyone on the list ordered one of the Alldata CD-ROM sets for
their car?  I was thinking of
	ordering one, but does anyone here recommend or ~not~ recommend
them?

	Thanks.

	Jason Adcock
	Blacksburg, VA
	ICQ: 5860857
	E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
	Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:18:43 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Olds and Holley

        Evening Rocket Drivers,

        Hey, anyone know why Oldsmobile (I'm really thinking of Cutlass)
never used the Holley?  I know Ford and Chevy used it in some OEM
applications.  Then again, maybe the fact that Ford and Chevy used it
was reason enough not to!  Of course, the Hurst Olds and the 442 could
pound the ground just fine with the Q-Jet. Just wondering if Olds ever
considered Holley.

        Speaking of Q-Jet, I'm still looking for Q-Jet #7041250.  If
anyone has one, dead or alive, e-mail me privately with details.

        Olds-Relatedly Yours,

        Thomas P. Smith
        1971 Cutlass S 350

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:31:50 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: tragic story

On Wednesday, October 07, 1998 6:19 PM, Mike Rothe.
[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net] wrote: > > Sorry my senses are keener than normal
since Jason Adcock snagged me on > a 84 Salon snafu.

Yeah well, my ONLY area of expertise is the G-bodies!  If you asked me a
question like if the '69 H/O used a Ford air cleaner, I'd probably say yes...
:-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:46:42 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: The Unit makes it's debut!!

I just finished the web page about The Unit. Don't be shy, folks. Click
on the link below, tell me...did I get a good car for $300?????
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
**************************************************

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:40:18 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: expertise?

> Yeah well, my ONLY area of expertise is the G-bodies!  If you asked me a
question like if the '69 > H/O used a Ford air cleaner, I'd probably say yes...
:-)

And again, you'd be right.  Mostly.  They used the flapper section and
vacuum motor from a Ford tack welded to a special shroud that fit into
the Olds air cleaner base.

But ONLY if you had the '69 Salon!  JUST KIDDING on that last part!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:50 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: vinyl top

List,
        Advise needed here - I know of a 40 year old male that restores car
as a
hobby during the warm weather and renovates turn of the century homes when
it gets
cold - I, er, this guy builds and installs PC's for he living.  Could, uh,
he put a new vinyl top
on his 67' Cutlass (purchased from YO) and make it look presentable - the
glass is out
and the minor rust has been repaired ...


TIA
The General

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:49:42 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: The Unit makes it's debut!!

> I just finished the web page about The Unit. Don't be shy, folks. Click
> on the link below, tell me...did I get a good car for $300?????

Yup. I think so.  A little body work and paint, a fiber hood, a 70 back
bumper, and some SSIIs.....sweet.  Looks pretty solid otherwise.  Worth
more than 300 in parts.  Good deal, Lucille!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:55:44 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: charcoal canister/EGR/PCV

Couple questions on a 77 Q-jet.  Is (and if so where) there a hook up
for a charcoal canister on this carb?  For the EGR, from the valve a
vacuum line runs through an inline disk type dohickey to a
thermo switch thingamabobberand into the carb on the driver's side.
Is this correct?  Does the PCV hose run into a a large port in
the middle bottom of the carb on the front next to the gas? How
important is PCV setup properly? Thanks.

Joe
82 CSC w/ 350.

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:53:17 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: vinyl top

<snip>  Could, uh,
> he put a new vinyl top
> on his 67' Cutlass (purchased from YO) and make it look presentable - the
> glass is out
> and the minor rust has been repaired ...

If you feel comfortable with it, I say go for it.  However, if you have
the least bit of doubt, farm it out.  I say this because I THOUGHT I
could install a headliner fairly easily.  Finally got it done after 3
days, but won't do it again.  Same with vinyl tops.  Best left to the
professional in my case.  Make DANG sure you do it on a very warm day
and lay out that top to heat up first.  It'll help get the wrinkles out.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:59:11 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: charcoal canister/EGR/PCV

Joe Gerschutz wrote:
>
> Couple questions on a 77 Q-jet.  Is (and if so where) there a hook up
> for a charcoal canister on this carb?

Not 100 percent sure for 77, but I've seen them run to the air cleaner
snorkel, or to a port connection on the driver's side front of the carb.

 For the EGR, from the valve a
> vacuum line runs through an inline disk type dohickey

check valve

to a
> thermo switch thingamabobber

Good description....

and into the carb on the driver's side.
> Is this correct?  Does the PCV hose run into a a large port in
> the middle bottom of the carb on the front next to the gas?

Maybe.  Sounds ok to me.  The PCV connection sounds right.

How
> important is PCV setup properly? Thanks.

You need it for the crankcase fumes/pressure to be evacuated.
Otherwise, you'd blow back through the breather filter on the opposite
side.  Not good.  PCV should have full manifold vacuum.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 17:29 EDT
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: Muscle dealers

> Thought maybe somebody'd find this interesting:
> http://www.detnews.com/menu/stories/45322.htm

This story is dated April '96, and probably doesn't have the greatest
ending:

This place was located on Ford Rd.(remember, this is Dearborn, MI)
just west of Telegraph.

The musclecar dealership in the story is now closed, I believe.
Although some classic cars are sold through other of the Stafford
dealerships.

The good news it that the Stafford dealerships now include the former
Charnock Olds on Michigan Ave. at Telegraph (also in Dearborn).

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:03:42 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: BAD Olds Owners (Long)

About selling your Olds to a resposible party I can volunteer the following
stories:  A man came into my shop about two months ago.  He had seen my '69
98 parked outside.  He asked if the car were for sale.  I told him
EVERYTHING is for sale for a price.  I showed him the car, demo'd the car,
and asked him if he was a buyer.  He said he was, he needed a 455 for a
project he was doing.  He wanted to take my complete, running, driving,
highly optioned 98 apart for the engine.  "What do you care what I do when
it's mine?"  he asked.  The car is not for sale, I told him.  "That's
funny", he said.  "the woman I talked to last week said the same thing".
You'd think he'd catch wise.
   When I bought my '66 98 convertible, I was interviewed by the owner and
the owner's son.  They wanted to know what I would do with the car if I were
permitted to buy it.  I had to show my OCA membership card and pass an oral
exam re: general Olds knowledge.  Fortunately for both Redzilla and myself I
was the successful candidate, although not the highest bidder.  Good seller.
Peter.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:15:31 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Repro H/O emblems

SHOW OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        (I am only kidding)

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:33:37 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Unit makes it's debut!!

Matt,
definitely a great site and great cars as well. But I gotta ask ya. Is this
really a 70?
I checked those rear tail lights and they don't look 70. My tails are 2
verticals and yours are 2 horizontals. What the hell have I been driving all
these years!?!?!

wood
73 delta convertible
70 cutlass (not so sure anymore!)

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:11:35 -0600
From: "B. Sanders" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: RE: The Unit makes it's debut!!

> Matt,
> definitely a great site and great cars as well. But I gotta ask
> ya. Is this
> really a 70?
> I checked those rear tail lights and they don't look 70. My tails are 2
> verticals and yours are 2 horizontals. What the hell have I been
> driving all
> these years!?!?!
>
> wood
> 73 delta convertible
> 70 cutlass (not so sure anymore!)
>

Woody,
Either the front bumper or the back bumper on Matt's car is incorrect.  It
definitely has a '70 front bumper, evident by the square signal lenses.
Your car, with it's 2 verticals is a correct '70 bumper.  2 horizontals is
'71 & '72 only.  In '72, the two horizontals were divided into 3 sections.
The bumpers on all three years are interchangeable.  '71 & '72 bumpers are
identical, front & rear.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:28:05 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Still overheating, next step, a kia

<>-----Original Message-----<>

I missed the original post, but it if refers to pinging, and is related
to the Olds 307, please email me DIRECTLY (I don't get to browse the
list much anymore) and I will go through the procedure.  Olds does not
list it as a maintenance item, but Cadillac does.

It has worked 100% for me, from pinging and running 93 oct, to running
87 oct and no pinging for 1 hours work is WELL worth it to me!!

Thomas Martin

Hey Thomas; I'll take that 307 ping correction info.

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Couse Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:26:32 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Tri-power

Woody - What kind of Delta droptop do you have?  Saw your post re:
tri-power, and an oblique reference to the Delta.  I'm in Lawrenceville, not
too terribly far away.  I've got a '67 Delta ragtop.  Silver outside, black
inside.  Lots of options.  Lots of horsepressure.  Welcome to the list.
Peter.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:13:25 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: G-Body Tail Light Questions:

<Snip>
<>-----Original Message-----<>
I got a perfect used set for 86-88 that
<>was only on the car for about 2 months.  took them off right before I
<>sold it.  I don't think I'll need them anymore.  I think they list
<>around 60 bucks each at the dealer.  Again, you can probably find a
<>discount somewhere....
<>
<>I will entertain $50 bucks plus shipping for both my slightly used ones,
<>if anyone needs them.

<Q>

Mike,
You are referring to the tail light emblems? I was just going to check the
dealership to see if they can still be had for the '86 Cutlass. Mine are
faded badly. Was considering producing a different design for Quincy.

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:17:19 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)

> WHY DON'T THEY PACK THE OIL PUMP FULL OF JELLY _BEFORE_ YOU BUY IT?
>
> Am I going to buy a can that says "Petroleum Jelly" on it, or am I
> going to buy a bottle of Vaseline?

???

Either one, I guess; Vaseline _is_ petroleum jelly. As for why they
wouldn't pre-pack the pump with petroleum jelly at the factory, it's
probably because the stuff is about as solid as a tub of margarine;
as soon as it gets just a little bit above room temperature, it turns
to liquid and runs everywhere.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:13:55 -0400
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Performance Exhaust 1985 442

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:31:27 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Aluminum Hoods

<Snip>

On my 85 442 that I got new, it has a clear
protector strip under the stainless center hood molding.  It has a steel
hood.  When I went to buy a replacement strip, the book said that it's
application was used for cars equipped with aluminum hoods only.  So, either
they lie, or someone putting on the strip at the factory goofed.
Which, isn't all that far fetched.  Anyone else have a steel hood with the
protective strip under the chrome?  Just wondering if mine was a fluke, or
supposed to be that way.  Not like it will cure the national debt or
anything, but was just curious on this little tidbit.

Mike Rothe

Mike,

This '86 also had the protective strip under the Stainless hood trim on a
steel hood.

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
'86 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:47:19 -0400
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild

Igor T. '81 455DRB wrote:
>
> >First get rid of my #4a heads and go with a set of #5 heads,
> >casting #397742.
>
> I think that this is a great idea.  However, I was just wondering if it
> would be to your advantage to use the #4a's bigger intake valves.  Hmm, what
> do you think.  I think that those 2" valves could be cut into the 403s
> heads.  Igor.
>
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
> 1981 Regency (307/propane/th2004r)
> 1981 Dodge MaxiVan (360/727/4.10s)
  As a matter of fact I was planning on getting the #5 heads machined so
that would use the bigger valves: that is 2.00 intake and 1.56 ex.
 What do you think?

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:52:52 -0400
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild

Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:
>
> On your 403 in the T/A, be aware the Performer RPM intake will require
> hood scoop mods, to the tune of mounting it to the hood.  It will be too
> high.  Just a FYI, if you are trying to keep sleeper originality, or be
> able to return to stock, this may pose a problem.
>
> Contact Edelbrock for details.
>
> >Then I will use the Edelbrock Performer RPM cam and intake.
> >The block will be a stock rebuild, using new parts if needed (like
> >pistons, con rods).
>
> Thomas Martin
> 80 Turbo Trans AM Real Pontiac 400!
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800
>
  Yes I was aware of this prob, the cure I will use is this.
Cut the air cleaner and take out about 2" then weld the two halves
together so that it will fit under the hood. What do you think?

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:47:37 -0400
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Tranny Shop in New England Needed

Looks like I might need a new tranny in my '82 Olds.  Its a basic TH350
behind the 403.  I'd like to get a tranny with a shift kit installed (I
like firm shifts), but most tranny shops won't do it.  I do NOT need it
installed.  Just cash & carry.

Please don't even *SUGGEST* AAMCO!!  They've f##ked me over once and I'll
never give then another chance.

Anyone have any experience with a good shop?  How about mail order?
Otherwise, I'll just start combing the yellow pages.

Uncle Pete
'51 98
'82 98
'86 Ciera (Wife's car)

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:05:24 -0400
From: mellow@simcoe.net (Mel Robinson)
Subject: Introduction

Hello

I live in Wasaga Beach, Ontario I have a 1969 Olds Cutlass 442 Convertible.

I have had the car for about 10 years, it was almost a basket case when I
bought it,
you can't expect much for $800, but it did turn out to be an original.

It has the big block 400, 350HP, 3 speed auto (THM400), It has black
interior, and originally rolled off the assemble line with 52-crimson paint,
I repainted it yellow (no flames it's my car and I can paint it any colour I
like {:>)  ).

The Stuff that follows is from the GM Customer Assistance Centre, If you
want the phone number Email me and I will dig it up.

Hope this doesn't bore you.

VEHICLE:                         1969 Oldsmobile 442 Convertible
TRIM:                                 370-Black
PAINT:                               52-Crimson
SHIPPING DATE:            September 30, 1968
MODEL/BODY STYLE:   34467
BASE ENGINE:                400 CU. IN. - 350 HP

OPTION                             DESCRIPTION

AO2                      WINDSHIELD GLASS-TINTED
A82                       HEAD RESTRAINT
D33                       OUTSIDE REAR VIEW MIRROR-LH-REMOTE CONTROL
D55                       FRONT COMPARTMENT FLOOR CONSOLE
J50                        VACUMN POWER BRAKES
M40                       3-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION (THM 400)
N34                       STEERING WHEEL- WOOD GRAINED PLASTIC
N40                       HYDRAULIC STEERING
P05                       WHEELS SUPER STOCK 1
P26                       TIRES, WHITE WALL, THIN LINE
U21                       CLUSTER W/TACH I/P CLOCK
U63                       RADIO PUSHBUTTON
U75                       POWER ANTENNA
VE1                      REAR BUMPER RUBBER INSERT
W84                      ADDITINAL FUEL FOR DELIVERY
Y60                       CONVENIENCE GROUP

Documented by George Zapora

That's it.

Well not really I did install a 1970 RAM AIR HOOD with almost a complete Air
intake.
No problem doing this by the way, (except for the expense of buying the damn
thing),
all I had to do was remove the long front piece and exchange it for my
original hood front piece it fits like it was made for the car, not much
change from 69 to 70 it looks good, even if it does not belong there I am
not going to take it off, it did not butcher the car and I still have the
original hood.

That's it.

Well not really but this post is getting rather long so I'll catch you
later.

Regards Mel

BTW I got a list going for 442's also, you can subscribe at
http://www.onelist.com
just click on FIND A LIST then enter 442.  We only have about 6 members so
it is pretty quite. I think I'm going to accept HTML postings as well as
pictures.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:10:48 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Tri-power

Peter,
I"ve been on the list for a number of months now only sporadically putting in
my non-cents. My delta is a 73 convertible with a 350 that rest
assured will not threaten your horsepressure. Picked it up for $600 after
sitting outside for a year with no top, rusted through floors, usual quarter
rust and everywhere else for that matter, unbearable mildew and bumpers that
looked as if they had served their purpose all too well. Well I thought it was
a steal also so I drove it the 36 miles home with no problem and top down
(like I had a choice). I filled all the molding holes as there was no molding.
It's a metallic brown or bronze. I opted for an off white but not quite cream
top instead of white. The grill was a mess so I polished it as best I could to
give it that chrome look. It is different and I haven't seen
anyone with a grill like it. White interior and American Racing spoke baskets.
I put it into a local show, didn't win anything (didn't expect to either). The
killer was some people actually took pictures of it! That was more than enough
for me. Actually they were probably taking pictures of  the 57 vette next to
me and I got caught in the crossfire.
Jeez, sorry for running long, it's been an olds day from start to finish.
Take care

wood

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: 68-72 A Body Heater Cores

     OK folks; to change the heater core on an AC equipped 68-72 A
body, you do NOT have to remove the blower motor and inner fender as
was previously posted!!!!!!
     The heater core is contained in the INNER plenum located inside
the car. The studs on this box protrude into the engine compartment.
You have to remove the nuts from inside the engine compartment, as
well as one sheetmetal screw from the inside. Then the box slides out
(after disconnecting the AC controls from it). The heater core is then
easily changed!


==
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Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:21:24 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Tri-power

Lou,
You never cease to amaze me. You've always got somethin for everyone.
I am sure if you were the only guy on the list my mailbox would still be
jammed!

woody

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:37:41 +0100
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
Subject: RocketTalk tomorrow?

Is anyone making plans to be on RocketTalk tommorrow? If I have nothing
important to do, I'll be there!!!!
- --
*************
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:31:36 EDT
From: WOODY3781@aol.com
Subject: Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)

I think vaseline would remain more consistent. But then again I thought
vaseline would ease the pain when I found out how much my top would cost, hurt
like hell anyway!
wood

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:35:27 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Tail Light Questions:

> You are referring to the tail light emblems? I was just going to check the
> dealership to see if they can still be had for the '86 Cutlass. Mine are
> faded badly. Was considering producing a different design for Quincy.

No, the b/u light housings.  The emblems for the tail lights cannot be
bought separately.  Tried that.  Used to be able to.  Now you have to
get the whole thing.  But they are available.  I think they run around
45 bucks each, but I don't recall off hand.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:42:24 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Performance Exhaust 1985 442

>           I have a question I hope someone can help me with . I own a
> fully restored 1985 Olds 442. I would like to know if there is any
> company thats makes a performance exhaust system, I would like to use
> stainless steel if it is available but anything better than stock is
> ok, also I am retaining the stock exhaust manifolds. Any help would be
> greatly appreciated

Well, if you own a fully restored car, why on earth would you want to
devalue it by modifying it?  Sure, do what you want, it's your car, but
that just puzzles me.  I could see doing that more if it was a
"restification".  Just to let you know, in case you don't, they only
made 3000 of the 85 442s.

Granted, there are probably better exhaust setups for the car as far as
performance, I'm sure, and as long as you could put the original back on
later and not hurt anything, no one would question it.

But, the aluminized stock exhaust system is MORE than adequate and will
last a whole lot of years.  I still have the factory pipes on both my
85s.

Of course, that would lead us into that gray area of what does "fully
restored" mean...

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:45:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: tragic story

Same exact thing happened to me except it was a '97 Ford F150 Supercab 4x4.
Except the local dealership tried to hide it from me and, after I stumbled
onto it (actually) offered to fix it for me at "no charge". Like they were
doing me a favor. To say the least, I don't drive Fords anymore, not because
of their product, but due to the local dealer.

Yes, it is painful, especially after waiting 3 months for the #^%$@ thing to
come in.

At 05:04 AM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>About a week ago, my Dad told me about a story he had heard on the radio.
> Some guy, back in 1982, wanted to get a brand new 442 (cool guy!), and
>he wanted everything a specific way.  So he ordered the car exactly as he
>wanted it and waited and waited and wiated.  After a couple of months, he
>learned when the car would be arriving.  So, the day it came, he went to
>the Olds dealership, and waited for it to come.  When the truck got
>there, the guy was robably jumping up and down.  Then, as they were
>unloading the car off the car carrier, of the top rack, someone screwed
>up and it fell(!) off the truck.  That sucks.  I know he didn't get the
>car, even though they offered to fix it for him, yeah brand new car with
>a wrinkled frame, real cool.  I don't know the rest of the story, but
>that's the painful part at least.
>

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:56:58 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)

OK.  I will buy whatever is at the parts store - I didn't make it there
tonight because...

It would appear that I am pretty much done disassembling stuff.  Got both
valve covers off (drivers side wasn't too hard, passenger's was ENTIRELY
too difficult), cleaned 'em up, and will replace the gaskets when they go
back on the car.  Found the top of a cylinder head bolt running around
loose in the driver's side; apparently the thing just snapped off at some
point - not real sure how to explain it.  On passenger's side, had to
disconnect almost every friggin' hose there was, as well as loosen the A/C
bracket...and what, exactly, does that pulley below the compressor do?  Had
to take the wheel off of it to remove a brace that ran from it's back to
the valve cover.  WHAT REALLY SUCKS is that I _personally_ didn't do this
side...my two very helpful friends did, which is great, except that now _I_
don't know how to put it back together again (they didn't do a very good
job of labeling), and THEY are going to be very scarce for the next couple
of days...

I ALSO TOOK THE REAR MAIN CAP OFF.  I don't understand why it was mentioned
by some (HI IGOR!) that the crank would fall out if I did this...there's
still several straps holding it up.  Found out (BEFORE I removed it, thank
you) that the Real Main Seal is TWO pieces, not just one, therefore
allowing removal of the seals without removing the transmission.  I will be
able to replace the lower of the two pieces tomorrow.  Chilton's makes it
sound like it's possible to replace the upper one as well, WITHOUT lifting
the motor or transmission out, but I don't really know about that...

SHOULD I REPLACE THE BEARING IN THIS ONE CAP?  ARE THEY EVEN SOLD
INDIVIDUALLY?

And here's another question - my transmission didn't leak before I jacked
the engine up, why is it SLOWLY (a drop every five minutes) leaking now?
It SEEMS to be leaking from the speedo cable attachment, but that seems
pretty strange.  By tomorrow, the fluid in the tranny will be pretty low,
and I'll definitely refill it before the car moves again, but it would be
nice to know...ESPECIALLY if this leak is the result of me rupturing a seal
or something by raising the whole assembly like I've done (jack under the
crank pulley).

I don't understand the bit about the fuel pump "weep hole" leaking - I
don't understand why there is oil involved in the fuel pump at all, and I
sure don't know what a "weep hole" is.  The area around the pump seems to
be free of oil deposits, so at this point, I'm kind of reluctant to delay
completion of the project in order to take this on as well - it seems like
the pump would be pretty hard to remove.

KEEP IT COMING, YA'LL (hello from Texas!)!!! If I have ANY kind of luck at
all, I can get this thing back together for the weekend.

At 06:17 PM 10/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> WHY DON'T THEY PACK THE OIL PUMP FULL OF JELLY _BEFORE_ YOU BUY IT?
>>
>> Am I going to buy a can that says "Petroleum Jelly" on it, or am I
>> going to buy a bottle of Vaseline?
>
>???
>
>Either one, I guess; Vaseline _is_ petroleum jelly. As for why they
>wouldn't pre-pack the pump with petroleum jelly at the factory, it's
>probably because the stuff is about as solid as a tub of margarine;
>as soon as it gets just a little bit above room temperature, it turns
>to liquid and runs everywhere.

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 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:58:03 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: H*LP NEEDED, WANTED (and BADLY)

That is very...VIVID imagery.

At 10:31 PM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I think vaseline would remain more consistent. But then again I thought
>vaseline would ease the pain when I found out how much my top would cost,
hurt
>like hell anyway!
>wood
>
- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:00:39 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Introduction

Sure as hell wish I had one.

At 10:05 PM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello
>
>I live in Wasaga Beach, Ontario I have a 1969 Olds Cutlass 442 Convertible.
>

- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:54:30 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Introduction

Hey Mel!  Cool Car!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:51:46 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Tranny Shop in New England Needed

:
> '82 Olds.
>TH350
 403.

Hey, nice setup...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:40:50 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: vinyl top

We believe in HIM, General!


Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:50 -0400 "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM> writes:
>
>List,
>        Advise needed here - I know of a 40 year old male that
>restores car
>as a
>hobby during the warm weather and renovates turn of the century homes
>when
>it gets
>cold - I, er, this guy builds and installs PC's for he living.  Could,
>uh,
>he put a new vinyl top
>on his 67' Cutlass (purchased from YO) and make it look presentable -
>the
>glass is out
>and the minor rust has been repaired ...
>
>
>TIA
>The General
>
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:37:39 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

because holleys blow

On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:18:43 -0400 "Thomas P. Smith"
<smithtp@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>        Evening Rocket Drivers,
>
>        Hey, anyone know why Oldsmobile (I'm really thinking of
>Cutlass)
>never used the Holley?  I know Ford and Chevy used it in some OEM
>applications.  Then again, maybe the fact that Ford and Chevy used it
>was reason enough not to!  Of course, the Hurst Olds and the 442 could
>pound the ground just fine with the Q-Jet. Just wondering if Olds ever
>considered Holley.
>
>        Speaking of Q-Jet, I'm still looking for Q-Jet #7041250.  If
>anyone has one, dead or alive, e-mail me privately with details.
>
>        Olds-Relatedly Yours,
>
>        Thomas P. Smith
>        1971 Cutlass S 350
>
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:36:57 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: tragic story

Well that's really interesting.  So either pops told the story wrong, or
the guy was blowing smoke.
So in 82 there were no 442's or H/O's and in 83, only H/O's available?!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:18:52 -0400 "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
writes:
>>  Some guy, back in 1982, wanted to get a brand new 442 (cool guy!),
>and
>> he wanted everything a specific way.
>
>Except that it should have been two years earlier or a couple years
>later!  The 1982 442 did not exist.  There was a gap from 1981 to 1984
>(although they DID have the H/O in 83/84)  Anyway, it's still a shame
>to
>trash an Olds, regardless of the model.
>
>Sorry my senses are keener than normal since Jason Adcock snagged me
>on
>a 84 Salon snafu.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:35:00 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: G-Body Header Panel Questions:

My 87 is a Supreme and it has amber lenses.  Pretty sure they're original
too....

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:15:01 -0400 "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
writes:
>> p.s. my 86 had clear lenses up front and my 87 has amber.  From what
>I've
>> noticed, I believe your coworker's 442 should have the rocket, not
>the
>> antique.  I've theorized that, ggeenneerraallllyy, Salons have the
>rocket
>> and Supremes have the crest.  But we all know that would be too
>simple...
>
>Supremes had clear parking lenses, Calais/Salon had amber.  Don't
>matter
>what other options, including H/O or 442 package.
>
>All 2 door G-body Olds had the antique olds hood ornament from 85-88.
>Again, the 87/88s were the only ones to have the rocket emblem between
>the grilles in addition to the ornament. (2 door only, earlier 4 doors
>did have a rocket between the grilles, but a different one.)
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:33:21 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: A4 intake was: '84 & earlier heads, will they fit? (87 olds)

As far as I know, all 7A 307's have roller cam's.  Perjaps that has
something to do with why they changed the heads.  Actuallu, it was
probably becasue of some damn emmissions bull.

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:08:18 -0400 Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu> writes:
>On Wednesday, October 07, 1998 4:56 PM, Mike Rothe.
>[SMTP:hurstolds@xtalwind.net] wrote:
>>
>> And it is correct that 5As were used on the "9" engines.  The roller
>> cammed "Y" engine I BELIEVE started in 1984, and continued
>throughout.
>
>I think the roller motors begun installation in the 1985 model year,
>and every 307 was roller by
>1986.  I know I have an A4 intake and 5A heads, but I honestly don't
>know if it has a roller cam.
> I'd doubt it...every place I look, it says that the roller cam starts
>in 1985/6, including the
>book The Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile.
>
>Don't the 5A heads indicate a non-roller motor?
>
>Jason Adcock
>Blacksburg, VA
>ICQ: 5860857
>E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
>Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:49:44 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Performance Exhaust 1985 442

I *believe* the exhaust system I put on my priorly owned 86 was stainless
and was from Walker.  The stock exhaust on the car is Walker, as all GM's
(right?), but I think they sell it stainless...

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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>=
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:55:57 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: RocketTalk tomorrow?

I'll check in.........although I've checked in for the last 3 weeks and it
always seems to be me, myself and I chatting.

Helluva conversation....me and myself always seem to know what I'm going to
say next. ;-) If I could only get them to work for me maybe I could do more
of what I want........play with the OLDS!

Randy

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:06:09 -0500
From: "Poppy30" <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
Subject: Fw: ENGINE MOUNTS

- -----Original Message-----
From: Poppy30 <Poppy30@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:06 PM
Subject: ENGINE MOUNTS


>WANTED: SET OF 455 ENGINE MOUNT FRAME PADS FOR 71 CUTLASS......E-MAIL
>ME......POPPY30@MSN.COM
>
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:03:19 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68-72 A Body Heater Cores

 OK folks; to change the heater core on an AC equipped 68-72 A
body, you do NOT have to remove the blower motor and inner fender as
was previously posted!!!!!!
___________

John's correct, gang.  Done this many times.  You might think GM applied a
little maintainability engineering to the design of the A-body heater core.
Unlike the problems with changing the blower motor (been there, done that
too), which _does_ require removal of the fender.  (Lesson learned:  If the
front sheet metal is off for any reason, replace the blower motor and be
_absolutely sure_ the fan is tightly bolted to the motor's shaft.  It's
even more frustrating when you have to pull the fender just to tighten this
nut!)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:49:07 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: tragic story

Some guy, back in 1982, wanted to get a brand new 442 (cool guy!)
___________

Sounds like an urban myth, given that there were no 1982 442s.  Produced
64-80, then 85-87.  Could get H/O in 83-84.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:52:06 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Repro H/O emblems

(*breaks Joe's bragging mode switch, but he's probably got an NOS one of
those as well*)
____________

LOL!!!  ;-)

===============

And just a word about the 69 emblems being metal...
____________

Is Mike Aldana possibly repoping these in metal?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:55:22 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

Hey, anyone know why Oldsmobile (I'm really thinking of Cutlass)
never used the Holley?  I know Ford and Chevy used it in some OEM
applications.
___________

For tonight's bit of automotive trivia, did you know that Ford, of all
automakers, used the Q-jet on the 429 SCJ motors?  There's even a picture
of one in the Roe book (well, at least there is in my edition, which is
copyright 1974!).

Hey, where else can you get this stuff?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:05:55 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Oil Pans

Is there any actual difference in the regular small block and big block
oil pans? Most resto places list two different part numbers, but
companies like Milodon only list one. I know the Toro pan is different.
What's up with this?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:09:13 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

> For tonight's bit of automotive trivia, did you know that Ford, of all
> automakers, used the Q-jet on the 429 SCJ motors?  There's even a picture
> of one in the Roe book (well, at least there is in my edition, which is
> copyright 1974!).
>
> Hey, where else can you get this stuff?
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30



According to Edelbrock, some Chrysler's used the Q-Jet in something
called a Thermo-Quad setup.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:19:09 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

> For tonight's bit of automotive trivia, did you know that Ford, of all
> automakers, used the Q-jet on the 429 SCJ motors?
>
And did you also know that for people who just HAVE to have spiral oil
grooved valve guides in their Olds V8, that Pinto 4 cylinder guides fit
and are pre-spiraled?  I knew a guy who did this to his 69 400 back in
1977.  (No, it wasn't me)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:16:48 -0700
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tw@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

Well guys, Holley carbs happen to be the best performance carb you can buy.
Why they never put them on Olds is beyond me. I plan on running one on my
403 when she is done and will guarantee to make lots more horse power than a
quadrapuke will ever make, I will spend the extra money on the dyno to prove
it. I will forward the results when i'm done testing...........By the way
this is gonna be an all out race motor (not for the street) Probably gonna
end up with alcohol injection to push it over the 830 H.P. range, wihich we
think we can achieve........I did it with a 400 chevy, So i am sure this
will be easier with my fine 403 Olds.............Will keep you
posted.......Tim
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley


>because holleys blow
>
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:18:43 -0400 "Thomas P. Smith"
><smithtp@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>>        Evening Rocket Drivers,
>>
>>        Hey, anyone know why Oldsmobile (I'm really thinking of
>>Cutlass)
>>never used the Holley?  I know Ford and Chevy used it in some OEM
>>applications.  Then again, maybe the fact that Ford and Chevy used it
>>was reason enough not to!  Of course, the Hurst Olds and the 442 could
>>pound the ground just fine with the Q-Jet. Just wondering if Olds ever
>>considered Holley.
>>
>>        Speaking of Q-Jet, I'm still looking for Q-Jet #7041250.  If
>>anyone has one, dead or alive, e-mail me privately with details.
>>
>>        Olds-Relatedly Yours,
>>
>>        Thomas P. Smith
>>        1971 Cutlass S 350
>>
>>
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 23:21:08 -0400
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Olds and Holley

> According to Edelbrock, some Chrysler's used the Q-Jet in something
> called a Thermo-Quad setup.

But that was a Carter brand.  Completely different in looks.  However,
in 1970, Carter DID build a Quadrajet carb for GM that looked like a
Rottenchester.

Mike Rothe

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