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oldsmobile-digest    Saturday, September 26 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1508



Re: Oil Viscosity
Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Anybody need Vista Cruiser parts?
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Re: Georges.
Image Archive
Re: Spitting blood
The unwashed
Re: Georges.
Re: Image Archive
Re: Non Olds
Re: Non Olds
Re: Parting out
Re: Read End Gear Ratio
Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?
Need a posi!!!
Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Re: Midnight Blue Olds
Re: Georges.
Re: Midnight Blue Olds
Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
Olds, Non Olds
Re: Info needed on 69 442
Re: Georges.
Re: Midnight Blue Olds
Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.
Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
KEY SCANNING, IGOR?
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
olds for sale
Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass
Re: Read End Gear Ratio
1940 Oldsmobile 90 series 4-dr sedan
Re: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?
Re: Midnight Blue Olds
g-body.org
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Parts fer Sale
RE: g-body.org
Re: Non Olds
Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: Aurora rentals?
Re: Aurora rentals?
Web site renovation
84 Hurst Carb Question.
Re: Info needed on 69 442
87 Vaccuum Diagram needed...
1970 Cutlass "S" Convertable
Re: Aurora rentals?
Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)
Re: Info needed on 69 442
Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
Trunk Light Mercury switch
RE: Aurora rentals?
RE:VC Springs
NY Member Locations.
String re-visited
Re: Georges.
Re: 1970 Cutlass "S" Convertable
Re: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?
Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass
Re:  Read End Gear Ratio
Re:  1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re:  Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re:  Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tri-power off-idle was: Non Olds

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:04:30 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Viscosity

>
>My 85 owners manual says straight 30 weight is the only oil that wouldn't
>void the warrantee on the car. That's what GM required.
>

GM has flip-flopped on this issue through the years.
10W-40
then 10W-40 was EVIL and would void the warrenty
10W-30 was then best,
and I guess with your car SAE 30 was "The oil"

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:11:47 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:Sherwin or DuPont?

>I am an amateur painter. I have done 2 cars, 1 truck, 1 truck topper, and
last
>night I repainted the bumper on a 98 Buick Century rental car.

Hardly an amatuer. That's enough experience to know what it's all about.

>There is a bulletin board that I found that is strictly spray painting.
>http://www.horizonweb.com/wwwboard/spray_101/wwwboard.html
>It is THE PLACE for all answers paint related.

I've been there too. Good place for advice.

> Its not WHAT you use its how you
>use it. The most expensive paint doesnt matter without the proper prep and
>application.

>The recommendation in applying base clear is "Spray base until even
coverage
>appears, then 1 extra coat (2 extra coats if its Red!)" When applying
clear,
>spray clear until good flow, gloss, and depth appears. Spray an extra coat
or
>2 if you plan to color sand and rub out the finish.


Couldn't have said it better.

As for Carron's question about a "one coat system" I think you refer to what
they call single stage. Primer and color topcoat, no clear. The cheapest way
out. "2 stage" is basecoat / clear, "3 stage" has a ground coat under the
color (like metal flake under candy-apple) followed by clear.

drc

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:08:14 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

At 05:59 PM 9/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>List,
>     I've just gotten the opportunity to by an 80's Cutlass (not sure on what
>year, I go see it Mon.), and here's what I know about it.
>
>I know for sure that it is between 84-88
>Built 350 (Edelbrock heads, carb, etc...)

here in WA state I'd be leary of a mid '80's car with a
engine like that because of emissions.
YMMV. :)

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:06:47 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

edelbrock heads???????????????
hmmmmm
intake maybe...  carb maybe.
probably not heads if so i'll give you a $1000 for it.
- -----Original Message-----
From: JCRASH7@aol.com <JCRASH7@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 4:57 PM
Subject: Should I buy? (G-body price q)


>List,
>     I've just gotten the opportunity to by an 80's Cutlass (not sure on
what
>year, I go see it Mon.), and here's what I know about it.
>
>I know for sure that it is between 84-88
>Built 350 (Edelbrock heads, carb, etc...)
>THM350 Trans
>3.73 Limited slip rear end
>Good paint with a couple minor rust spots
>Don't know about rims or tires
>
>Here's the best feature-
>$850-  He has to sell it because he got a new car and has no room for his
old
>Cutlass.
>
>TIA,
>Joe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:15:55 -0500
From: "CD Smalley" <notdadsw41@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Anybody need Vista Cruiser parts?

Hi All,

I was out looking thru the salvage yards to day and stumbled upon a fairly
complete Vista.  I'm by no means an expert on the older cars that most
people on the list favor but I'll give the details as best I can for you.
If you need more info the yard is about 10 minutes from home so I can go
look somemore if you need me to.

First of all this is a parts car or frame off resto type project car.

I think it's a 68 or 69 based on the front end.
It's missing the drivers window and the fron windshield is broken.
The tailgate is there but I'm not sure of it's condition or if the glass is
in it.
I do know that all of the side glass and the glass on in the roof are there
and they lokk usable to me.

If anyone's interested let me know, Off the list, and I will go look again
and talk to the guy about prices.  Sometimes the guy's there can be a real
PITA.  But I'll try anyway.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
1989 9C1
http://home.att.net/~notdadsw41/

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:17:32 EDT
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

Joe, let me know if you are not interested in the car I  am, Thanks Chris

Chris Sommerville
69 442SC
70 442HC
70 W31
AND LOTS OF PARTS FOR SALE!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:24:39 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Re: Georges.

Good luck to you fellows affected by the hurricane, hope the Olds's
don't get damaged. At 4 PM today we got a rumble of an earth quake
centered around Sharon Pa. It really shook the house here in
Orchard Park New York, guess it was felt a great didtance from
Ohio to Canada, it registered 5.2 on the scale according to TV reports.
Hope everyone is well in Pa.
Ron Haun

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:51:35 -0700
From: "Corey Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Image Archive

Hey List Members!

I am interested in setting an Olds Image archive that would show fine
examples of the various models and options of each year(65-72).  If anyone
is interested please contact me at dayc@ix.netcom.com or simply attach the
image and a brief description.

If you only have photos and need them scanned I can arrange scanning them,
but will consider each request on  a one-by-one basis.

Corey Day
dayc@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:50:54 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Spitting blood

So this guy comes into the shop today.  I'm minding my own business, not
bothering anybody, as is my custom.  He says he goes up and down the highway
all the time, and has noticed all the old cars outside.  He says his
father-in-law has passed away and left his cars behind (inevitable, I
suppose).  Anyway, Dad left behind TWELVE cars.  All were bought by him.  He
got attached. Once it was his, that was it.  He wants to know if I have any
interest in the only vehicle left.  He's got a 1957 Ford pick-up.  V-8,
three on the tree, steel bed.  31,000 miles.  One owner.  So, I'm going to
look at it this weekend.  What else did Dad have, I queery.  38 Ford, 40
something Packard, 53 Packard, 57 Coupe De Ville, 65 Buick Riviera,  mumble,
mumble, 66 Olds 98.  Oh, yeah.  Where's the freaking 98?  I gently ask.  My
sister in law sold it for $40 to the crusher.  Aaaarrrgghhh!  Yeah, he says.
Ran good.  Don't know why she did that.  I'm not often weak, but I felt
compelled to seek solace in a bottle of Canadian whiskey.  Peter.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:00:29 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: The unwashed

Dontcha hate it when the unwashed are allowed to own
Oldsmobiles?

And they saved the F*rd?
cf


> mumble, 66 Olds 98.  Oh, yeah.  Where's the freaking 98?  I
> gently ask.  My
> sister in law sold it for $40 to the crusher.  Aaaarrrgghhh!
> Yeah, he says.
> Ran good.  Don't know why she did that.  I'm not often weak,
> but I felt
> compelled to seek solace in a bottle of Canadian whiskey.  Peter.

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:59:56 -0500
From: ShawnE@austintx.net (Shawn Eldredge)
Subject: Re: Georges.

Mike,
And anyone else who may be in for a nasty ride, thanks to Georges.
I hope all of you take care of yourselves and your loved ones, cars included
<G> But seriously you guys be careful and I hope to see all of you back on
the list when it is over. MY thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

SHAWN
(still dry and hot in Austin)



- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 3:37 PM
Subject: Georges.


>Washed the 442 last night....end of Olds content.
>
>Well folks, I'm not sure how many on this list will be affected by the
>company of Georges, (I think a couple more of us may) but here it's now
>starting to get a bit more windy and the rain is starting.  May God be
>with us.
>
>Later,  I hope! :)
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:59:43 -0500
From: "Brett Wilson" <bwilson@dmotorworks.com>
Subject: Re: Image Archive

I have a scanner sitting next to my computer as well.

I also plan on making an image gallery on my new page oldsracing.com
It should be up in a few weeks or so...
>Brett
67 Cutlass Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From: Corey Day <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 5:43 PM
Subject: Image Archive


>Hey List Members!
>
>I am interested in setting an Olds Image archive that would show fine
>examples of the various models and options of each year(65-72).  If anyone
>is interested please contact me at dayc@ix.netcom.com or simply attach the
>image and a brief description.
>
>If you only have photos and need them scanned I can arrange scanning them,
>but will consider each request on  a one-by-one basis.
>
>Corey Day
>dayc@ix.netcom.com
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:41:27 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

Greg,
Thanx, can you tell me the Cubic Inches on that engine, The Goat is 389.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Non Olds
> Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 10:26 PM
>
>
>
> Lou Biggs wrote:
>
> > All:
> > Would anyone know what the stock jetting is on a 67 Tri Power Goat, one
> > 2GC, 2 G Rochester's. Need jet sizes, middle carb is usually a tad
larger.
> > Trying to help a good friend. Sorry about content.
>
> Lou,
> Can't tell you about the Poncho, but if it helps at all,
> the 66 4-4-2 Tri-Carb used #68's on the front and
> rear carbs, and #63's on the center carb.  These use
> the 60 degree, long taper style of 2 barrel jets.
>
>
> Greg Rollin
> Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
> http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
> E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:58:09 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

Joe,
Saw the car, don't know about goats. It's tri power now. Might be add on,
He's complaining about flat spot out of the gate. Thought it might be too
rich. Have not checked Initial or total timing, it has a HEI assy, spark
curve could be all wrong also. Lou only jokes about dumb stuff. Thanks,
Lou
1975 in body shop, Ins will cover about all, comp covered, didn't know
that. Proud owner of 1971 GMC Sonoma. Will put good cars in garage. Drive
Sonoma, brought it home, momma says "cute, needs mags and TA tires". Women,
I will never understand them!!!



- ------
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Non Olds
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 12:02 AM
>
> Lou Biggs wrote:
>
> > All:
> > Would anyone know what the stock jetting is on a 67 Tri Power Goat, one
> > 2GC, 2 G Rochester's. Need jet sizes, middle carb is usually a tad
> larger.
> > Trying to help a good friend. Sorry about content.
> _____________
>
> Lou,
>
> This must be a trick question!  :-0
>
> Pontiac, along with Olds, stopped selling multiple carbs after the 1966
> model year.  This was a GM corporate edict, with only the Corvette
allowed
> to continue.  That's why the L-69 tri-carb setup was a one-year only
> factory option on the 1966 442s (though you could also buy the package
over
> the counter and some 67s were converted by the dealers).
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:00:21 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Parting out

Jeffery,
Thanks,
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Parting out
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 6:33 AM
>
>
> no the grills on a Supreme and an "S" are not the same.
> Jeffrey Fieldsend
> Board of Director OCC- Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77
> http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Read End Gear Ratio

- ---Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have a '72 Cutlass "S" that came with the stock 350 2bbl and air
> conditioning.  I was wondering what the stock rear end ratio was.  I
don't
> know but I think that I've read that on the axle housing there is a
code
> stamped.  I looked on my car but didn't see anything.  If anybody
knows where
> to look and what the various codes are I would greatly appreciate it.
>
- ------Look on the passenger side....on the axle tube......the code
will be facing the front of the car......they didn't make it simple.....
                  Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:03:30 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?

Carron,
Think Ditzler is product of PPG, not 100% on this. Had good luck with it.
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: SpeedCom@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Auto Paint:How about Ditzler?
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 8:43 AM
>
> I don't think I've seen Ditzler mentioned (maybe that is a brand name of
one
> of the companies whose paint has been mentioned???). I see that sign on a
lot
> of the auto shops around here (TN). I used their 2-part acrylic on a
> motorcycle a few years back and it worked well for this beginner.
>
> Also, a BIL of myin told me that for non-metallic colors, a one-coat
system
> works well. I didn't quiz him on the meaning, but maybe that's a linear
poly??
> anyone familiar with the term as it applies to automotible painting?
>
> cheers/Carron

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:11:27 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Need a posi!!!

Does anybody have or know where I can get a 3-series posi for a 1970 "O" type
12 bolt?  I know they aren't common but somebody has got to have one they're
willing to part with.

Thanks

Ryan

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:13:01 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)

Jeff,
All the r 134 units I have been around suck. Joe may know more about this,
don't what the heat exchange properties are compared to r 12. All I know is
they don't cool worth a da*n
Lou Biggs

- ----------
> From: Jeff Herndon <jtherndon@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 11:14 AM
>
> Besides, the control switch has to go past A/C to get to Defrost (or
> even heater), and wouldn't the compressor engage there at least
> momentarily?
>
> I'm new to the list, but I thought I would pass this along. On my 86
> there is a brief time delay when engaging the compressor, about 2-3
> seconds. I suppose this prevents needless cycling of the compressor when
> going from "Off" to "Heat" or "Vent". I'm in South Carolina, so not much
> experience with relly cold weather, but the compressor does come on line
> in "Defrost" mode, and it does cycle, but i'm not sure of the timing.
> Very good for dealing with a foggy windshield on humid mornings. Also,
> on cold start-up the compressor will not engage until the engine's been
> running for about 20-30 seconds. Not sure why.
>
> I wonder, is it worthwhile to change out the r-12 unit to r-134a? Are
> those conversion kits for $40 off the shelf effective, or potentially
> damaging to the existing system?
>
> BTW, I'm really enjoying the list. I'm sure I'll be posting more
> questions once I get around to turning my "Gutless" into a real Olds.
>
> Talk to y'all later.
>
> Jeff Herndon
>
> 86 CS 307Y

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:22:10 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

> >I know for sure that it is between 84-88
> >Built 350 (Edelbrock heads, carb, etc...)

I'd be very leary of the car. If they say Edelbrock heads, you better double 
and
triple check the heads. I think there are only 3 of us on the list that have
them out of the 20 in the world currently out there. And then, why buy them and
wait almost a year for them just to turn around and sell the car? I'd be asking
some seriouse questions. If he's selling it for only 850, he does not have
edelbrock heads that retail at $1437.00 So, if  you know your stuff probe real
deep into the car, if you aren't... Take a friend who is good at identifying
parts

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:30:03 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds

I vote for painting it what ever color you want.  Midnight blue wasn't an Olds
color in 72, but if you like that best go for it.  Viking blue gets my vote
for the best color for 72.  I had a 71 442 conv that was Viking blue and was
gorgeous!  You can still see it at 442.com.  Twilight blue was a 1970 color
and was very nice.  I have to go with you and am not a big fan of Nordic Blue.
David OCA 30416
70 (Aegean Aqua) 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:34:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Georges.

- ---Shawn Eldredge <ShawnE@austintx.net> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> And anyone else who may be in for a nasty ride, thanks to Georges.
> I hope all of you take care of yourselves and your loved ones, cars
included
> <G> But seriously you guys be careful and I hope to see all of you
back on
> the list when it is over. MY thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
>
> SHAWN
> (still dry and hot in Austin)

- -----Don't know what to say but "me too"......we're all thinking about
you guys.
                    Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:37:55 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds

Which cover of Year One are you talking about?  My car is the Fall 97 cover
car and appears to look Viking Blue, but is actually Aegean Aqua.  98% of the
photos I take make it look Viking Blue, and can't seem to get photos that get
the true color.  Tried 100, 200, 800max, etc and they all look Viking Blue.
Funny thing is... the photos look more Viking Blue than my 71 did that WAS
Viking Blue.
David OCA 30416
70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)

- ---Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> All the r 134 units I have been around suck. Joe may know more about
this,
> don't what the heat exchange properties are compared to r 12. All I
know is
> they don't cool worth a da*n
> Lou Biggs

- ----All mine have been converted.....I get around 34-38 degree air at
the duct....almost a "condensation cloud".....
                Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
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------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:41:46 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Olds, Non Olds

To All,
Thanks for the help and the understanding replies, Weds I was almost in
clinical depression. We think we can repair the grille on the 75. Bought
the Sonoma, still made by GM, Saw a fine 91 Fo*d Ranger, was actually nicer
than the GMC I bought. Same price, more goodies, turned it down, does that
make me a TRUE PURIST or just Stupid? I'm happy. Still have a Rocket emblem
from a 1953 Super 88 dad had. Going to put it on the tailgate.

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
67 442 "White Ghost"
75 CS "The Deerslayer" copyright 1998, "KA"
91 Sonoma "Lil Red Wagon" apologies to Bill " Maverick" Golden, if anyone
knows who he is!

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:41:06 EDT
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Info needed on 69 442

Joe, Can't help on the emblem slots, but on the stripes I get:
13 3/4 wide, with a 1/4" gap and then a 1/4" tracer around the outside.
39 5/8 long on the center side of the wide stripe, 37 3/8 on the short
outboard sides.

Scott

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:44:49 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Georges.

Amen:
Lou Biggs

> ---Shawn Eldredge <ShawnE@austintx.net> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > And anyone else who may be in for a nasty ride, thanks to Georges.
> > I hope all of you take care of yourselves and your loved ones, cars
> included
> > <G> But seriously you guys be careful and I hope to see all of you
> back on
> > the list when it is over. MY thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
> >
> > SHAWN
> > (still dry and hot in Austin)
>
> -----Don't know what to say but "me too"......we're all thinking about
> you guys.
>                     Sman
> ==
> John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
> -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:46:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds

- ---DKlauber@aol.com wrote:
>
> I vote for painting it what ever color you want.  Midnight blue
wasn't an Olds
> color in 72, but if you like that best go for it.  Viking blue gets
my vote
> for the best color for 72.  I had a 71 442 conv that was Viking blue
and was
> gorgeous!  You can still see it at 442.com.  Twilight blue was a
1970 color
> and was very nice.  I have to go with you and am not a big fan of
Nordic Blue.
> David OCA 30416
> 70 (Aegean Aqua) 442 W-30 conv
>

- -------------Another cool color is the late GM vette only
color....Admiral Blue...or get tech and it's listed as : Dark
Cloisonne Met.
        It's kinda dark blue with some purple pearl mixed in....you
can see the color on my 69.....on my site.
                Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:46:50 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.

I am interested in purchasing the tape. How much are you asking and to whom
do I mail the money order to?

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Tapes of the Olds show from speed vision.
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 3:49 PM
>
> let me know privately how many of you want a copy and then I will run the
> copies they will be labled and on a standard vhs  ntsc format tape
> sorry cant do PAL anymore tapes should run about 3-4 dollars edited no
> commercial interuptions should be about 20 minutes the show with
commercials
> was only 30 minutes ............the cost includes shipping....kk

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:49:31 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)

S-MAN,
thats great, we only did two, both really didn't cut it, maybe it was the
installer, ME!  Actually I know of a couple of more that have the sane
problem.
Lou
           ----------
> From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:40 PM
> ----All mine have been converted.....I get around 34-38 degree air at
> the duct....almost a "condensation cloud".....
>                 Sman
> ==
> John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
> TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
> 1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
> Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
> -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
> _________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:58:26 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

Tia, if you are quoting what the person told you about the car, I'd say
s/he is blowing smoke.

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:59:57 EDT JCRASH7@aol.com writes:
>List,
>     I've just gotten the opportunity to by an 80's Cutlass (not sure
>on what
>year, I go see it Mon.), and here's what I know about it.
>
>I know for sure that it is between 84-88
>Built 350 (Edelbrock heads, carb, etc...)------>99% chance it does not
have edelbrock heads
>THM350 Trans----------------------->no such thing, TH350 would be cool
>3.73 Limited slip rear end
>Good paint with a couple minor rust spots
>Don't know about rims or tires
>
>Here's the best feature-
>$850-  He has to sell it because he got a new car and has no room for
>his old
>Cutlass.

Well, I just realized it could have a chevy 350, shich would means
edelbrock heads could be likely. sorry

Sounds like a good deal if it's for real.  Sell the motor and pick up a
good Olds engind for it though!

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA



>
>TIA,
>Joe
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:00:48 -0400
From: rocket409@juno.com (Ray Costanzo)
Subject: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?

Someone asked me if I could scan the special Olds keys I have.  I'll
proably have access to the scanner tomorrow, so just let me know where to
send the image.  Igor?  someone else?

Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
                        Bucks County, PA

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:59:02 -0400
From: "John Gill" <jgill@idmi.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

Ben,

What's the latest on your heads?  Do they live up to your expectations?

I have my set of 6051's in the basement but am waiting for spring to
install with new bottom end.

John

- ----------
>
> I'd be very leary of the car. If they say Edelbrock heads, you better
double and
> triple check the heads. I think there are only 3 of us on the list that
have them
> out of the 20 in the world currently out there. And then, why buy them
and wait
> almost a year for them just to turn around and sell the car? I'd be
asking some
> seriouse questions. If he's selling it for only 850, he does not have
edelbrock
> heads that retail at $1437.00 So, if  you know your stuff probe real deep
into the
> car, if you aren't... Take a friend who is good at identifying parts

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:38:06 EDT
From: FOOLSHILL@aol.com
Subject: olds for sale

61' F-85 204 alumminum V8.   Runs well starts every time. Has about 100k
miles.     A strong engine for being 38 years old  and all alluminum.
Antifreeze is green and clean.  Engine comes wrapped in a four-door, black
primed, sort of worn body.  Has a two speed auto tranny  all gears  work
including park.  Which is wear the shifter's been for the last 8 years.  If
your looking for a rare alumminum Rocket 204 two barrel but dont need a body
e-mail me at Foolshill@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:38:38 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass

Doug Ahern wrote:
>
> this is my first post after being gone for a while...
>
> My local junkyard has a th200r4 out of a mid eighties (pre 87) rwd v8
> cadillac.   I want to install it place of the th350 in my 64 Olds. Has
> anyone else done this?   here are considerations that I'm basing this
> installation on,  if any of them are incorrect please point them out to me
> before I start pulling transmissions!
>
> 1. th200r4 is the same length as a th350 bellhousing to tailshaft.  Only
> the rear tranny mount is different and this will require me moving the
> cross member rearward.
> 2. the shift linkage mounts up the same way with a mechanical lever in the
> same location as the one on the th350.
> 3. my stock 64 driveshaft will require no modifications.  the spline and
> diameter in exactly the same on th350's and th300r4's.
> 4.  flywheel and converter will bolt up.
> 4.  I need the throttle cable from the th200r4, I plan on getting the
> manifold throttle cable bracket from the caddy, or some other mid eighties
> GM v8 with a carb.
>
> what about trans cooler lines?  I can fabricate lines if needed.
> what torque converters?  what are my options?
>
> additional notes: my olds has a stock 330 v8,  my th350 is about to come
> apart...
>
> can anyone think of any other problems, things I need to investigate?
> etc?
>
> thanks,
> Doug


When I installed the TH-2004R in my '70, I had to have the driveshaft
shortened about an inch. You are not supposed to have to do this, but my
just fit too tight for comfort. Also, the bracket on the frame that the
pivot arm fits into on the column shift had to be located out just a
little, the position of the shift linkage mount on the TH-2004R is a
little further inward than the TH-350. I accomplished this by installing
washers between the bracket and the frame, about a quarter of an inch
worth. I can not be 100% sure you will have the same problems, I think
it's more or less a hit and miss type of thing.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:42:24 -0500
From: Stephen Hoover <shang@wans.net>
Subject: Re: Read End Gear Ratio

Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Assuming that your Cutlass has no rear-end upgrade I would have to guess
> that it was using 2.73:1. That's the standard gear ratio for that years
> model. There is indeed a code and justifiably you won't find it as it is
> quite difficult to find, especially if the axle tubes have the slightest
> rust on them. The code should be located on the passenger side on the inside
> portion, that is the side the axle tube facing towards the front of the car.
> I'm quite sure that's it's location. That's were I found mine.
>
> As for the codes themselves, I don't have my chassis manual handy with me,
> so I can't be for sure. Maybe someone else can supply these?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cutw29@aol.com [SMTP:Cutw29@aol.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 25, 1998 1:16 PM
> > To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject:      Read End Gear Ratio
> >
> > I have a '72 Cutlass "S" that came with the stock 350 2bbl and air
> > conditioning.  I was wondering what the stock rear end ratio was.  I don't
> > know but I think that I've read that on the axle housing there is a code
> > stamped.  I looked on my car but didn't see anything.  If anybody knows
> > where
> > to look and what the various codes are I would greatly appreciate it.


My book shows the standard rear-end for that car to be 8.5" "Corporate"
10-bolt 2.73, code SA.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:38:39 EDT
From: JBFreak23@aol.com
Subject: 1940 Oldsmobile 90 series 4-dr sedan

Looking for any information on 1940 Olds for restoration purposes

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?

- ---Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com> wrote:
>
> Someone asked me if I could scan the special Olds keys I have.  I'll
> proably have access to the scanner tomorrow, so just let me know
where to
> send the image.  Igor?  someone else?

- ----Uh....guilty party here.
        send to super442@yahoo.com
             Thanks ,
                     Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:51:07 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds

The Spring 97 catalog of Year One has the blue (?) 70 Olds 442 on it.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: DKlauber@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Midnight Blue Olds
> Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:37 PM
>
> Which cover of Year One are you talking about?  My car is the Fall 97
cover
> car and appears to look Viking Blue, but is actually Aegean Aqua.  98% of
the
> photos I take make it look Viking Blue, and can't seem to get photos that
get
> the true color.  Tried 100, 200, 800max, etc and they all look Viking
Blue.
> Funny thing is... the photos look more Viking Blue than my 71 did that
WAS
> Viking Blue.
> David OCA 30416
> 70 442 W-30 conv

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:24:10 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: g-body.org

Has anyone seen this yet?  It's new to me...

http://www.g-body.org/

Joe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:12:13 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

> I'd be very leary of the car. If they say Edelbrock heads, you better
>  double and
>  > triple check the heads

Had no idea they were so rare... Then they are for sure not Edelbrock.  All of
the info I have of this car is a friend of a friend.  He probably doesn't know
what's on there...

Anyway, I'll reply after I check out the car.

Joe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:38:29 EDT
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Parts fer Sale

Set of 4 SS1 14x6 wheels. they are in nice condition. 3 are sandblasted and
need the black part painted on. other is in decient shape. $$$$ make me a
offer.

1" fenillic spacer plate. for a 4bbl Q-Jet. never been used. $40

Parts:
1964-67
65 cutlass hood $100
65 cutlass trunklid $100
65 cutlass convertible 6 piece stainless steel trim set. $250
64-65 power trunk release. complete $150

1968-69
set of 5 SSll trim rings. real nice $75
consle. o.k.  $50 obo
69 TILT floor shift column $150
carpet, lite saddle, brand new $100
carpet, dark saddle, 2 months old $75

1970
442 bumper in primer $125
consle $125
Tilt column $150
decklid $75
Fenders......inquire about price
carpet, lite saddle, brand new $100
carpet, dark saddle, 2 months old $75

1971-72
consle $125
Tilt column $150
front bumper. nice chrome $75
decklid $75
sport mirror, driver remote $40
72 rear lenses $15 a pair
carpet, lite saddle, brand new $100
carpet, dark saddle, 2 months old $75

no prices include shipping. depends on the item you are buying wether or not
you will have to pay shipping. Located in the Cleveland Ohio area. E-mail me
privately if you have any questions on anything. TheBlue67@Aol.com

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible (in the body shop)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:50:11 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: g-body.org

On Friday, September 25, 1998 11:24 PM, JCRASH7@aol.com [SMTP:JCRASH7@aol.com]
wrote: > Has anyone seen this yet?  It's new to me... > >
http://www.g-body.org/ > > Joe

Yes!  Great site!  Still in its infancy, but let it grow...  :-)

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:57:17 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

Lou Biggs wrote:

> Greg,
> Thanx, can you tell me the Cubic Inches on that engine, The Goat is 389.
> Lou
>

Lou,

400 of them.

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:08:27 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE

FRANK MONTERO wrote:
>
> $10,000+

OUCH...

I have some neat beachfront property in Arizona that would be perfect
for a garage for this car!
- --
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       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:20:44 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Aurora rentals?

Greg Yonge wrote:

> Does anyone know what car rental companies rent Auroras?

National Car Rental rents Auroras...  I know, I work there, and change
the oil in them frequently... heh heh.

> much rather have an Aurora (or any Olds for that matter).  I can't seem to
> find any rental companies here in So CA that even know what an Aurora is.

I am sure LAX would know what they are..  Call the 1-800 number and
request an Aurora, tell the reservationist that you are thinking of
buying one and would like to see how they feel...  Most, if not all, of
our customers get what they REQUEST if there's a good rear...

As for the OLDS Rentals!  NATIONAL CAR RENTAL..  Oh, and Avis, Alamo,
and SOMETIMES Hertz.  But, National's got the 98 Cutlass Supremes with
the 3100, Leather, CD Players..  I prefer the 99 ALEROS we have just
recieved..  They are in 2Dr, 4Dr, 2Dr/4Dr Leather, 2d/4d Sport Package
(16 Inch Wheels) 2d/4d Sport Package with 3400, at 2.4DOHC (Gen 2 Quad
4) 2dr/4dr 4Cyl (still boogies, but I love the 3400) and the HIGH End
minus the Sunroof (Leather, 2dr/4dr 16 inch CHROME wheels, 3400, Digital
Climate Control).  We've also got Intrigues, (Just the normal ones,
mostly...  The ones with the wings on the back got analog climate
controls, and the ones without the wings were given digital climate
controls..  We rent the 88, nothing special, just the 88 LS package, and
to TOP it off!  National's even got BRAVADAs.  LOADED..  Leather,
woodgrain, Trac-Lok.   heh heh..  And ALL the OLDS are power
EVERYTHING...  If you can think of it, they are fleeted with it!  Sorry,
no 5Spd Aleros (damn), no Super Charged 3800 (double damn), no sunroofs
(grrr)...

  I
> tried asking my local Olds dealer, but received the same blank stare.  (Go
> figure... it's a combination Olds and C@dillac dealer.  They're much more
> concerned with $elling C@ddys apparently....)
>
> TIA,
>
> Greg Yonge - OCA 029415
> 1969 Cutlass S Covt.
> 1965 442 Covt.
> 1992 Achieva SC

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:23:06 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: Aurora rentals?

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> Could the dealer have meant that the car was a lease return car, perhaps?

This could be, but I've yet to see any other company but National Rent
them, and we only get them on a "6 month" lease from GM...  Since we
lease our cars the same way the rest of the public does, at the end of 6
Mos, they go back to GM, sometimes with 7000 miles, sometimes with
30000.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:34:41 EDT
From: JCRASH7@aol.com
Subject: Web site renovation

I've COMPLETELY revamped my site, so download time is a lot less, and it just
plain looks better.

Just a couple new sections, but as soon as I get the pictures developed, I
will have pictures of our new '90 LeSabre.

Joe
http://members.tripod.com/~jcrash7

PS- anyone who still has my site linked to the members.aol.com address, could
they please change it?  Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:41:03 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: 84 Hurst Carb Question.

Ok, here's the info:

84 Hurst Olds, Carb 17084554 (I like the number combo, drop that last 4)
Taken off an original Hurst, this is the original carb.

I have a few questions...

1. Is it worth rebuilding for use on an 87 307-Y motor?  (Carb was free,
gasket set $12, time free..)  My current carb has had someone's fingers
in it (not mine, dunno shit about carbs, fixing to learn though) and the
second set of barrels does not seem to open all the time, or fully, like
the Hurst carb does. May explain the lame 11.54 as my fastest track
speed..

2. What is the deal with the secondary metering rods?  The rods are a
LOT slimmer than those of the ones in my 87's carb, and when dropped
into the 87 Carb, it runs a lot faster at WOT (also took a .10 off at
the track).

3. Are the metering rods (secondary) of all Quadrajets marked?  If so,
does DA and DD mean anything (DA - Hurst Carb / DD 87 Carb)??  Is there
a better metering set that will work in there?

4. Where/how/who can I contact to try some hop up parts, (IE: Jets,
Springs)??

I'd love to chuck this carb on my car, and if it hadn't been sitting 6
years on a shelf, coughed and weezed when installed, and pumped out more
black smoke than a fully loaded diesel going up hill at WOT, it woulda
been on there today....  Any advice greatly apreciated.
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:49:30 +0300
From: john schiffman <joschiff@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Info needed on 69 442

Joe, I've got a good idea for you.  Why not leave all insignia off and
fool everyone at the light, then smoke 'em BAD at the green?  I can
remember when the early SS Chebby lovers did this in St. Louis circa
1964,5,6.

69 442

Arlington, Texas

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:43:22 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: 87 Vaccuum Diagram needed...

Subject says what I am looking for..

On installation of another carb, I found a couple houses blocked or
disconnected..  I would like to get a copy of the diagram, preferably
faxed to me, but would love the mail way as well.  My thoughts are that
if I can get all these hoses fixed, I may go faster....  <G>
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:45:45 EDT
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: 1970 Cutlass "S" Convertable

I was looking through a add for a shop that restores classic cars around where
I live.  It had lots of info about rare cars that they have restored or sold.
In this section they mentioned that they sold "the only Cutlass "S"
convertable" that was made in 1970.  Did Olds make a convertable with the
fastback body style.  It was not the supreme but a "S" which I haven't ever
seen before.  Does anybody know anything about this car.  Oh by the way they
said that the car sold for an "undisclosed amount."

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:11:07 EDT
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aurora rentals?

Auroras are available in Los Angeles from National Car Rental.  Rented one
last spring.  It was great.  They can be found on the Emerald Aisle in  small
numbers, but probably, if still in the fleet, as a premium car.

Have fun.

David Wilk
OCA 4517

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:20:41 +0000
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@efortress.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy?  (G-body price q)

>
>Had no idea they were so rare... Then they are for sure not Edelbrock.
All of
>the info I have of this car is a friend of a friend.  He probably doesn't
know
>what's on there...
>

Either that, or it is a ch*vy 350 in it. Edelbrock heads are
plentiful for them.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:02:55 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Info needed on 69 442

Joe, Can't help on the emblem slots, but on the stripes I get:
13 3/4 wide, with a 1/4" gap and then a 1/4" tracer around the outside.
39 5/8 long on the center side of the wide stripe, 37 3/8 on the short
outboard sides.

Scott
________

Exactly what I needed.  Thanks a lot.  Just one more question.  What is the
radius of the front corners?

Thanks again

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:09:28 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: digest reply (a/c comp)

Jeff,
All the r 134 units I have been around suck. Joe may know more about this,
don't what the heat exchange properties are compared to r 12. All I know is
they don't cool worth a da*n
Lou Biggs
_________

I just found out about a new freon replacement called FRIGC-12 (or FR-12).
This stuff is distributed my Penzoil and is claimed to be non-toxic,
non-flamable, and a much closer match in properties to R-12 than is R-134.
The oil is compatible and you don't have to flush your R-12 system before
adding FR-12.  If you go to the Penzoil web page (www.penzoil.com), you'll
find a link with an 800 number, which lets you request a free video on
converting to FR-12.  Got the video, looks simple (it always does).  Given
that the system on my new 69 442 doesn't work now (the compressor is
missing), I may have to try this stuff.  I'll let you know if I do.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:32:47 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: Trunk Light Mercury switch

Way back when, (like 2 years ago) there was some discussion of finding
operable mercury switch trunk lights.  Well I have a couple I would be
willing to sell for $10 each plus shipping.  These are a silver can about
the size of a SKOAL can with a hole cut out to expose the bulb.  They are
identical, one came off a  circa '70 eighty eight and the other came off a
circa '70 Buick skylark.  They they have bulbs and have been tested to work.

hans in El Segundo

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:12:52 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Aurora rentals?

Greg,

The Enterprise Rent-a-car in Manhattan Beach (California) had one a few
weeks ago.  The wife wanted a stylin ride (with AC unlike my 70 CS) for our
weekend trip to northern California.  About $60 a weekend day IIRC.  Nice
car, but not drammatically better than your run of the mill
lumina/taurus/intrigue.    A bit peppier perhaps but no "Rocket" in any
sense of the word.  While nice and well equiped, somehow it seemed like it
might not hold up any better than any other new GM car (which IMHO it
should for 35K).  About 20 mpg on the highway. Claims to require premium
fuel but runs fine on regular ;)

Check out Enterpise.


Hans in El Segundo

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:33:58 -0700
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: RE:VC Springs

Putting Cutlass springs on a VC would probably cause it to drag its *ss but
why not give it a shot.  You can change rear springs on these cars in 20
minutes (easier than tires).   If it dosn't work out, try something else.

When my Cutlass rears sagged out I snagged a set of springs off a similar
year malibu wagon reasoning that even if they were old and sagged, at least
they would be stiffer and thus ride higher.  The wagon springs are
noticeably stiffer and make the car have a bit of a "jacked up" stance
which I kind of like.  A bit more rome in the wheel wells for those BFG TA
245/60R15s I picked up at COSTCO (59.95, may need to special order)  today
:)

Since the VC has a longer wheelbase than a malibu wagon, its springs would
probably be stiffer yet.

My 2 cents...
Hans in El Segundo

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:48:37 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: NY Member Locations.

Anyone on the list from say the Saratoga Springs area down to the New Paltz
area?

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom

gjcouse@francomm.com <mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com>
  
"Quincy" = 1986 Custom Cutlass IROC-SS

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:59:27 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: String re-visited

Some time back there was a string about a paint additive that modifies the
paint to a more flexible state for parts that are plastic. On a fresh, (200
miles or so), paint job I'm noticing a few spiderweb cracking going. What
was that product('s) name?

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom

gjcouse@francomm.com <mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com>
  

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:09:16 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Georges.

RGHaun@aol.com wrote:

> don't get damaged. At 4 PM today we got a rumble of an earth quake
> centered around Sharon Pa. It really shook the house here in
> Orchard Park New York, guess it was felt a great didtance from
> Ohio to Canada, it registered 5.2 on the scale according to TV

Guess Mrs Clinton finally got mad about Monica, Paula, et al and blew
the old stack.  Hope she didn't hurt any worthwhile cars.   :)

Seriously it seems like Mother Nature is letting off a lot of steam
right now for some reason.

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:24:15 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlass "S" Convertable

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:

> In this section they mentioned that they sold "the only Cutlass "S"
> convertable" that was made in 1970.  Did Olds make a convertable with the
> fastback body style.  It was not the supreme but a "S" which I haven't ever
> seen before.  Does anybody know anything about this car.  Oh by the way they
> said that the car sold for an "undisclosed amount."

My book doesn't mention an S conv for 1970, but if they made only one I
doubt it would list it anyway, but you never know.  I know they made
them in 1969 because I've got one.

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:25:36 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?

Wasn't me.  I don't even know what you are talking about.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ray Costanzo <rocket409@juno.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 6:56 PM
Subject: KEY SCANNING, IGOR?


>Someone asked me if I could scan the special Olds keys I have.  I'll
>proably have access to the scanner tomorrow, so just let me know where to
>send the image.  Igor?  someone else?
>
>Ray Costanzo                                        87 409 Cutlass
>                        Bucks County, PA
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:34:18 -0600
From: "Igor T. '81 455DRB" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass

On that note, the PONTIAC magazine did an article about swapping the 200r4
into some GTOs.  Lots of helpful tips.  I only have one Pancho magazine with
the part II of III, I think.  Anyway if anybody out there reads this
magazine, it may be helpful for some.  Perhaps these articles could be
posted on the FAQ.  Just a thought.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 6:42 AM
Subject: th200r4 in a 64 Cutlass


>
>this is my first post after being gone for a while...
>
>My local junkyard has a th200r4 out of a mid eighties (pre 87) rwd v8
>cadillac.   I want to install it place of the th350 in my 64 Olds. Has
>anyone else done this?   here are considerations that I'm basing this
>installation on,  if any of them are incorrect please point them out to me
>before I start pulling transmissions!
>
>1. th200r4 is the same length as a th350 bellhousing to tailshaft.  Only
>the rear tranny mount is different and this will require me moving the
>cross member rearward.
>2. the shift linkage mounts up the same way with a mechanical lever in the
>same location as the one on the th350.
>3. my stock 64 driveshaft will require no modifications.  the spline and
>diameter in exactly the same on th350's and th300r4's.
>4.  flywheel and converter will bolt up.
>4.  I need the throttle cable from the th200r4, I plan on getting the
>manifold throttle cable bracket from the caddy, or some other mid eighties
>GM v8 with a carb.
>
>what about trans cooler lines?  I can fabricate lines if needed.
>what torque converters?  what are my options?
>
>additional notes: my olds has a stock 330 v8,  my th350 is about to come
>apart...
>
>can anyone think of any other problems, things I need to investigate?
>etc?
>
>thanks,
>Doug
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:57:30 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Read End Gear Ratio

You gotta bust out the ol'wire brush to get the ID#'s of the axle tube

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:00:47 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't you get the posting about location of the "for sale " item?
John, Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:02:43 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT SUCKS!!!! My heart goes out to ya!
John,Queens N.Y.
JJP442@aol.com
1983 H/O
1987 442

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:21 EDT
From: JJP442@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: 1985 442 FOR SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You forgot Burgundy!!!

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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:06:43 EDT
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Tri-power off-idle was: Non Olds

In a message dated 98-09-25 20:00:09 EDT, you write:

<< It's tri power now. Might be add on, He's complaining about flat spot out
of the gate. Thought it might be too rich. Have not checked Initial or total
timing, it has a HEI assy, spark curve could be all wrong also. >>

The 1957 J-2 sixpack was a vaccuum operated setup (Karl needs specs).

The 1966 W-30 sixpack has a tricarb linkage.

A "flat spot" (bog?) out of the gate.

Sounds like a carb problem.
(And you did say 2 2G+1 2GC?)
If linkage is set correctly, then set the idle of the 2G carbs slightly
richer.

The 2G ( , C, V) carb is actually pretty nifty and has decent off-idle if
properly set.

Perhaps the linkage needs adjustment.
(Hell, he prolly needs to rebuild all three!)

2GC carb SHOULD be opening just before 2G carbs do.

If all 3 open at the same time then yah! you are gonna end up with a massive
flat spot.

Nothing anyone can do about it.
It is the massive air charge hitting the cylinders before of the signal can
draw fuel from the venturii.

That is why one opens first.

SOm
&KA

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