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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 30 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1519



Re: Tire and Rims question.
Re: Cutlass Supreme 4 Speed ??
Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet
Re: ignition advance: more info out there?
Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet
Re: 69 442 grilles
Re: Everyone lists their cars
RE: 5-speed Delta 88
Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD
RE: ignition advance: more info out there?
Help an Oldsmobiler
Re: Could someone please forward this?!?!?!?  Daughter with Olds  in Flagstaff
RE: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD
Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s
unsubscribe,please
Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)
UNSUBSCRIBE
RE: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD
Re: Re: Tire and Rims question.
Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s
Re: 4 speed tunnel
RE: Tire and Rims question.
Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s
Gross vs. Net Horsepower
Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!
Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD
Re: Gross vs. Net Horsepower
Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano
Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't mine
1980? Cutlass Supreme
Speaking of "Iraq-ibues"... (Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD)

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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tire and Rims question.

- ---Chris Costantino <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
My question is - I have to replace the rubber, and I want to put a new
set of American Racing wheels. What is the largest size I can install
that looks good. I think the car came with 14 inch wheels, but I think
that 15's or even 16's will fit properly. Please any
opinions/experiences/advice is greatly appreciated.

- -----15x7  will definately fit....15x8 on back if you'd like....good
tire size is 235/60/15 on front....255/60/15 on back...that's what I
ran on my 69 ....it was ~slightly lowered in front~   no scrubbing.
               Sman
==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:37:31 EDT
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass Supreme 4 Speed ??

yes,,, rare though

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:42:51 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet

S-MAN wrote:
>
> "Man, that's bad as hell!". Wonder what he would have thought had I
> been driving Topless?!?!?

That's slang for:

"Let's follow this guy home, and take his ride"  hahahaha....

J/K, the Olds guys would not be happy with me if I said it without
appology....  <G>

- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:47:59 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?

O.K., O.K., O.K.,  SO,so, it's like not really lighting the fire as a result
of compression ignition?  Cool.  I'm relieved.  Now I don't have to find a
gas station that sells diesel.  Good job, perfect definition.  I was hoping
someone would post it.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: ignition advance: more info out there?


>OK what is ping? It is the result of preignition the "ping" is the
collision
>of two opposed flame fronts. preignition is the result of a superheated
area
>of the combustion chamber or piston top thus igniting the flame front on an
>opposing angle to the primary flame front by reducing the ignition advance
>the heat in the chamber is reduced by the action of "quench" when the heat
>in the chamber is reduced the air fuel charge appears to be richer thus
>"quenching" the hot spot thus endeth the lesson....kk
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 1:47 PM
>Subject: ignition advance: more info out there?
>
>
>>Hey,
>>
>>When I held forth on the subject, I made it clear that I was NOT an
expert.
>I
>>was hoping to add some "yeast" to the discussion, but it seems to have
died
>>right then. There *are* some real experts on this list, and the topic
seems
>a
>>fruitful one for discussion. I'd like to see how close my 35-years-back
>>information comes to what is known today.
>>
>>Here is a little snip of the original poster's questions.
>>
>>>  Why,
>>>  >then, are preignition problems more prevailant the sooner the spark is
>>>  >fires.  Something just doesn't make sense here.  Could it be because
>the
>>>  >increase in combustion chamber temperature increases at a faster rate
>>>  >than the actual advancing of the timing?  Experts?
>>
>>Cheers/Carron
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:51:29 -0400
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet

Going where?  What the ....  What Nats?  Why am I the last to know?  (weeps)
Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 6:47 AM
Subject: made my day....and BOP Show/Swap Meet


>Hi Gang,
>       Tonight on my way home, pull up to red light, next to a late
>80's Thunderturd, with young guy driving. Car has interesting options:
>hydraulics, and nice space saver spares on rear...sees the 84 and says
>"Man, that's bad as hell!". Wonder what he would have thought had I
>been driving Topless?!?!?
>        Going to BOP Southern Nationals tomorrow...While I am at Swap
>Meet anything anybody wants me to keep my eyes open for? Send reply's
>direct with good description and top price willing to pay.... I'll get
>as cheap as possible for you.
>
>
>            Sman
>SM/ph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>==
>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:55:11 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 442 grilles

In a message dated 98-09-29 22:14:50 EDT, you write:

<< As for my question on the color of the stone shield, I'm not talking about
 the hood tongue.  I'm refering to the horizontal metal shield that's
 between the inboard ends of the grilles, behind the center of the bumper.
 I got two responses, one said silver, one black.  Any other votes?
  >>
Joe, ya got three - I painted mine body color along with top of core support
and top plate over fan shroud.

obviously I'm not into the original scheme at present but it sure has drawn
alot of positive comments.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:39:23 EDT
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Everyone lists their cars

In a message dated 9/30/98 12:22:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mr57olds@aol.com
writes:

<< >
 Everett,  are you going to be at Hersey??? If so what space????
 Mr57olds
  >>
Yes I'll be there in the white field WWB18-20. But I'm not bringing Olds
Stuff, I am bringing a lot of the older "other make" stuff I got from Halls.
Hershey is the place to move that stuff.


Everett

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:41:31 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: 5-speed Delta 88

<Snip>

<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Igor T. '81 455DRB
<>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 1:55 AM
<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: 5-speed Delta 88
<>
<>
<>I was just wondering what would it take to put a 5 or 6 speed
<>manual behind
<>my 455 in '81 Delta 88 4dr.  I would really love to have OD in there, and
<>though the 2004r or 700 would be a good choice, I would really
<>love to have
<>a manual.  Just would like to know what would be involved and how much it
<>would be.  Also, where could I get the trans from.  New trans would be way
<>too much to pay.  Thanks.

<Q>

Actually, I would like to find anyone having converted an Olds G-Body to
manual. A web page, a person, info on pedal assemblies that will fit.
Suppliers of same. Maybe even a hydraulic actuation system. ect. ect.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:03:05 -0400
From: Jerry Christopher <ithefunki@cchat.com>
Subject: Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD

Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS wrote:

> Actually, I would like to find anyone having converted an Olds G-Body to
> manual. A web page, a person, info on pedal assemblies that will fit.
> Suppliers of same. Maybe even a hydraulic actuation system. ect. ect.

As you've prolly already heard...  There is a few Cutli, Pre-80ish
floating around...  But chances of find them are easier than getting
Karl to speak in first person....

Talked with a few guys local, and figured what it might take to
"manualize" a G-Body...  We had figured that the Pedal Assembly from an
F-Body (Preferably a Firebird, so that it's not contaminated, or any
immaculate running Camaro..........)  Figured since they had done it
once, the measurements aren't too far off, and can be used in taking the
Auto out and placing the manual in....   Then, driveshaft....   I
wouldn't know about that...
- --
                - Jerry Christopher -
IRC - EFNet:IThEFunKI - #SouthCarolina -#Olds - #Ford
       HTTP://Members.Viperlink.Net/IThEFunKI

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:04:17 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: ignition advance: more info out there?

<Snip>

<>OK what is ping? It is the result of preignition the "ping" is
<>the collision
<>of two opposed flame fronts. preignition is the result of a
<>superheated area
<>of the combustion chamber or piston top thus igniting the flame
<>front on an
<>opposing angle to the primary flame front by reducing the ignition advance
<>the heat in the chamber is reduced by the action of "quench" when the heat
<>in the chamber is reduced the air fuel charge appears to be richer thus
<>"quenching" the hot spot thus endeth the lesson....kk

<Q>

Just a thought, What about dual spark plug setups. Doesn't that constitute a
dual flame front within a cylinder?

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:15:53 EDT
From: RGHaun@aol.com
Subject: Help an Oldsmobiler

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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:31:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Could someone please forward this?!?!?!?  Daughter with Olds  in
Flagstaff

Ray,
        I tried,got returned just like yours....sorry.
              Sman




==
John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
- -http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:32:09 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD

On Wednesday, September 30, 1998 9:03 AM, Jerry Christopher
[SMTP:ithefunki@cchat.com] wrote: > Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS wrote: > > >
Actually, I would like to find anyone having converted an Olds G-Body to > >
manual. A web page, a person, info on pedal assemblies that will fit. > >
Suppliers of same. Maybe even a hydraulic actuation system. ect. ect. > > As
you've prolly already heard...  There is a few Cutli, Pre-80ish > floating
around...  But chances of find them are easier than getting > Karl to speak in
first person....

You might hear from Greg Pruett on this, but he grabbed the Z-bar and shifter
(and maybe the trans also) out of a mid-80's El Camino.  They're G-Bodies and I
think a fair number of them came with manual transmissions...not sure of the
type...maybe Isuzu?  I'm sure the only thing you'd have to do with the drive
shaft would be to grab it out of the donor car.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://jadcock.home.ml.org

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:33:27 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s

> I have some photos of the gauges you are talking about, but you can
> barely see them.

Heck, no; they look just fine. But...

> Http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds1d.jpg
>	(steering wheel blocks view)
> Http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds7.jpg
>	(volts gauge)
> Http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds8.jpg
>	(water temp and oil pressure gauges)

If anyone else has the problems I had with getting those links to
work, knock the first letter down to lower case and try again:

http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds1d.jpg
	(steering wheel blocks view)
http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds7.jpg
	(volts gauge)
http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds8.jpg
	(water temp and oil pressure gauges)

- -- Andy


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:35:25 -0500
From: Debbie Copher <cofer@arends-sons.com>
Subject: unsubscribe,please

UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE!!!!Lou Biggs wrote:
>
> Matt,
> I don't know either. It is a Supreme. Perhaps some out there with some
> smarts can advise. Please assist if you can.
> Bought a91 GMC Sonoma about a hour ago. 75 going to body shop Monday
> morning. If yours will fit we can arrange something. Air freight or
> whatever. I can let it now that I have other wheels, won't drive the 67,
> and wife frowns when I steal her Gran Prix, (bad word), no accounting for
> some peoples taste.
>
>
> PS Good thing she can't read my e-mail, Good ole passwords.
>
>
>
>
>                                              Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
> 67 442 "White Ghost"
> 75 CS " The Deerslayer" name courtesy of "Karl"
> ----------
> > From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Parting out
> > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 7:42 AM
> >
> > Lou Biggs wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't remember who, but a post a couple of days ago someone mentioned
> > > "parting out" a 75 Cutlass. Anyone remember who this was or saved the
> > > message. Didn't need anything at the time. Mebbe he might have a right
> hand
> > > grille, Thanks
> > > Lou Biggs
> > > lbiggs@intertek.net
> > > 67 442 all orig.
> > > 75 CS same way
> >
> > I have a 75 Cutlass S that can be parted out. If you have a Supreme
> > (correct me if I'm wrong), I don't think the grilles are the same.
> >
> > --
> > *************
> > Matt Cremean
> > mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> > 1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
> > 1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
> > 1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
> > 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> > **************************************************

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:36:07 PDT
From: "Olds Omega" <oldsomega73@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stereo System and Is it worth it? (84 DRB)

  For power and punch?  Yeah, Fosgate will shake
>ya!

Good Point but remeber to look at how much distortion the amp causes as
well.  If you are going for a GOOD low cost amp, don't count out some of
the Jensens.  I bought mine at a low price and it's distortiong is
remarkably low. (0.03% distortion from the Jensen. 0.1% is the cut off
for too much) Also don't dismiss buying USED amps from friends or others
looking to upgrade their own.  A bought two 12" Cerwin Vega subs and a
Fosgate Punch amp from a friend for only $120.  (Everything was one year
old)  But make sure to NEVER pay more than 50% of the original cost.

>And the only unrecoverable cost, upon resale,
>would be the installation labor.  If you do it yourself, you're only
out time.

And if you are really smart you don't even have to pay someone to
install stuff for you.  When I got my first system I was talking to a
friend of mine who was attending University of Houston.  They give all
their students discount cards, one of the discounts is free installation
of any products from a certain car audio place.  I told this to some
other friends of mine attending the University of Texas and they TOO had
a similar discount.  So ask someone you know that attends school if they
have this discount, you might be surprised. And believe me it's saves a
lot of time letting professionals do the job (FOR FREE!).

Avery Plank







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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:37:44 -0500
From: Debbie Copher <cofer@arends-sons.com>
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

UNSUBSCRIBE, PLEASE, THANK YOU MATT

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:53:35 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD

<Snip>

<>You might hear from Greg Pruett on this, but he grabbed the Z-bar and
shifter (and maybe the trans
also) out of a mid-80's El Camino.  They're G-Bodies and I think a fair
number of them came with
manual transmissions...not sure of the type...maybe Isuzu?

<Q>

Huummm. Doesn't the El ...... have a che*y motor. (to list:) What about the
Bell Housing aspect. Surly a che*y BH won't fit an Olds 403 or 455.Guess I
would be looking for 60 -70's BH from original Olds manuals...
But the El ...... pedal assembly should bolt right in. Thanks for the lead.

Should anyone do some scrap yard crawling soon, Keep an eye for G-Body, (all
flavors), manual trans components for me.
- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:55:13 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Tire and Rims question.

In a message dated 9/30/98, 4:39:08 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<My question is - I have to replace the rubber, and I want to put a new
set of American Racing wheels. What is the largest size I can install
that looks good. I think the car came with 14 inch wheels, but I think
that 15's or even 16's will fit properly. Please any
opinions/experiences/advice is greatly appreciated.>>
I have 275/60/15's on the rear of my 72 and the car is lowered with no
problems

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:59:19 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> > I have some photos of the gauges you are talking about, but you can
> > barely see them.
>
> Heck, no; they look just fine. But...

Those are what I have in my 82 DRB.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:37:58 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@lilly.com>
Subject: Re: 4 speed tunnel

>I used to own a 72 442 with 4 spd and no console (but with bucket seats)
>and that car used the same offset shifter as the console cars.

Thanks for the info Joe.  It make sense that GM would use one shifter for
either set up.
Why Hurst listed two different ones is beyond me.  I still have my original
shifter (what's left of it) and will transplant the handle to my competition
plus during restoration for an original look.

As someone else mentioned, the hole for the shifter does look like a hack job.
The hole in my car looks just like the one in a friends GTO.  A rough cut hole
(torch?) with a metal tower rising up off the floor.  Effective, but crude.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:12:25 -0400
From: "Gary J. Couse: Cutlass IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Tire and Rims question.

<Snip>

<>-----15x7  will definitely fit....15x8 on back if you'd like....good
tire size is 235/60/15 on front....255/60/15 on back...that's what I
ran on my 69 ....it was ~slightly lowered in front~   no scrubbing.
               Sman

<A>

Ditto. running AR Outlaw II and same size rubber on Quincy (86 G-Body) with
1" lowering eibach Pro-Kit springs and Polygraphite bushings. Things are
close. Might touch front sidewall if cornering extremely harshly (sidewall
flex). Haven't yet though. Can make more room (1/4" - 1/2") by trimming
fender well lip.

- ----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
gjcouse@francomm.com
  
1986 Custom Cutlass Brougham = "Quincy"








<>-----Original Message-----
<>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of S-MAN
<>Sent: Saturday, September 19, 1998 12:09 AM
<>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<>Subject: Re: Tire and Rims question.
<>
<>
<>
<>
<>
<>
<>
<>---Chris Costantino <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
<>My question is - I have to replace the rubber, and I want to put a new
<>set of American Racing wheels. What is the largest size I can install
<>that looks good. I think the car came with 14 inch wheels, but I think
<>that 15's or even 16's will fit properly. Please any
<>opinions/experiences/advice is greatly appreciated.
<>
<>-----15x7  will definately fit....15x8 on back if you'd like....good
<>tire size is 235/60/15 on front....255/60/15 on back...that's what I
<>ran on my 69 ....it was ~slightly lowered in front~   no scrubbing.
<>               Sman
<>==
<>John McJunkin  mailto:super442@yahoo.com    ICQ # 16956740
<>TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442
<>1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
<>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
<>Check out my Burnout page-send me pics of your's and I'll add it
<>-http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/Burnouts
<>
<>_________________________________________________________
<>DO YOU YAHOO!?
<>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
<>

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:23 -0400
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: Rallye Pacs for Delta 88s

Mike Jones wrote:
>
> Joe, I did this gauge swap over the summer,   These are pretty easy to find,
you can yank one out of any > '77-84 98, '77-85 Delta 88, or '77-90 Custom
Cruiser (Yes, Olds still had a > RWD full size wagon WITH the 307 in '90!  last
year though.) that had the > rallye pac option.  You must get the whole left
instrument panel bezel > including the inset where the gauges sit (volts, oil,
water) because this > small panel with the 3 gauges uses it as a mount, and the
non-gauge cars do > not have these mounts.  You must also get the correct
sending units from > the donor car (GET THE 45 DEGREE BEND FOR THE OIL PRESSURE
SENSOR, VERY > IMPORTANT!  The bell-shaped sending unit will not clear the
manifold > without the 45 degree bend) and also the harness that hooks the
gauges up > to your car.

A few additional notes on this swap:
- - Factory gauge package was first offered on '78 models.
- - Note that the left hand dash panel changed in the early '80s when the
wiper switch was relocated to the coulmn mounted stalk.  You can't use
the later panel on '78 to '82 cars unless you want to hack a hole for
the wiper switch.
- - Also note that the woodgrain pattern changed in '80 (grab the RH panel
as well unless you don't mind a mismatch.)
- - If you have cruise control and / or a rear defogger on a '77 model
(some mid '80s cars also have this problem) the switches may have to be
relocated as the factory put them next to the steering coulmn where the
gauge panel wants to be.  Get a RH panel with the appropriate cut outs.
- - I would also recommend NEW sending units.  Buy AC Delco not the
aftermarket replacements.  (Been there, done that.)
- - Note that the temp sender changed in the '80s from a 1/2 14 to a 3/8 ?
thread.  This change occurred much earlier on the diesel.  (Important as
a  high percentage of the diesels seem to have been ordered with the
gauges relative to the gas engine cars.)
- - If you are converting a non gauge car, you can retain the oil idiot
light and run the gauge if you use a 2" pipe nipple and a "T" fitting.
Without cruise control, mount the original idiot light sender
horizontally pionting toward the rear of the PS pump, the gauge sender
screws into the top of the "T."   If you have cruise, you will need an
angle adapter so the gauge sender will clear the cruise bracket.
- - You can also retain the hot light of your intake has more than one
water jacket port.  '77 models do, later cars tend not to, but check
anyway.
- - Make sure you keep a working bulb in the GEN tell tale.  No alternator
output if it is missing or removed.
- - If your car ia a '78 to '80 (maybe later years ?) and has a
"multifunction tone generator" (thing that chimes at you for low
coolant, low fuel, etc.) clip the wire to the "K" terminal. Inaccurate
temp gauge readings if you don't.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:31:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Timothy Hall <hallt@athena.csdco.com>
Subject: Gross vs. Net Horsepower

I have a 1973 455 rated at 265 net horsepower. What is the formula for
converting to gross to make a comparison to the horsepower ratings used
in the Sixties?

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:32:57 EDT
From: StafRT007@aol.com
Subject: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't so hot!

Ya oookkk budy.  Thousands of people do this to eliminate a hot start problem
(because it works) but somehow it doesn't work acording to you.  Obviously you
have no experiece with it.

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:35:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD

Hey, you guys need an IRAQIBU!

<Andy Green groans "Oh NO!!", rolls eyes towards ceiling>

;-)

One of the early subjects for discussion here... check the FAQ.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:42:30 -0700
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Gross vs. Net Horsepower

Timothy Hall wrote:
>
> I have a 1973 455 rated at 265 net horsepower. What is the formula for
> converting to gross to make a comparison to the horsepower ratings used
> in the Sixties?

Someone on the list, can't remember who, told me that it was 20% less
from
gross to net (best of my recollection).  Therefore take net HP and
divide
by 0.80.  In your case => 331.25HP

Hope this helps.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:11:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Joe (Buy a 455) Padavano

>Got any tips on how to go about finding a garden variety 455 in good
>working
>order?
>
>tia
>roger hitson
>__________
>
>IMHO, the cheapest method of finding a good used 455 is to find a rusted
>out but running big car and buy the whole thing for a couple o' hundred
>bucks.   <snipped>
_______________________________________

Thanks much.

roger

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:20:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: F*rd solenoid trick -ain't mine

To Mike Robe or Roger Schmidt


I claim no expertise here. Was simply reposting what seemed to be a thorough
explanation. Credited original author.

roger hitson

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: jtherndon@webtv.net (Jeff Herndon)
Subject: 1980? Cutlass Supreme

Hey y'all!

I was at my mother-in-law's yesterday and took a good look at what I
think is a 1980 Cutlass Supreme. (I know it's a CS, just not sure of the
year.)

Here's the VIN: 3M47FAD417000

The manufacturer's sticker on the door says 10/79. Just curious what's
under the hood.

Why didn't I look? Well, the car has been parked in her back yard next
to the woods for about 4 years. My sister-in-law got it in a divorce
settlement. My concern is what critters (the flying kind) might be
living with the motor and take exception with my invading thier space.
Wimp? Uh, yes! I've had close encounters with yellow jackets that were
not pleasant. Anyway, I was only wearing shorts and short sleeves.

The body is in bad shape. I think the paint used to be gray or silver.
Burgundy interior, bench seats, column shift, no rallye pack gages. The
back of the car has settled to the ground, and there's plenty of rust
along the bottom edges.

The best feature that I saw are the wheels. Keystone Classics, probably
14x6. They don't look real good, but I think they can be salvaged and
refinished.

I'm going to offer sis $100 for the whole thing and move it when the
weather turns cold. (Critters don't like the cold.) Will probably part
out what I don't want. I'm keeping the wheels.

TIA

Jeff Herndon
86 CS 307Y "Gutless"

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:17:50 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Speaking of "Iraq-ibues"... (Re: 5-speed Anything 80-88-RWD)

Greg B. Suggests, Tongue-in-Cheek, of Course:

> Hey, you guys need an IRAQIBU!

<Snip of an accurate decription of Andy G.'s reaction to above>

The story of the Iraqibu reminds me of something an old co-worker told me.
Back when he was in the USAF, in the mid to late 70s, he was stationed out
at Minot AFB, in North Dakota, crewing in the missile launch control
facilities.

Anyways, it was many miles from the base proper to the silos, so the
2 man crews would spend upwards of a couple hours commuting each way.
Sometimes in extremely inclement weather.  And they couldn't use the
excuse that the weather was too bad for them to go to work.  So...

The Air Force's vehicle of choice for the Minot fleet?  Suburbans.
Two wheel drive, not four.  And, in breaking a bulk-buying deal with GM,
GM sloughed off engines that weren't selling in the marketplace.  In those
OPEC-ruled late 70s, it meant these 'Burbans *all* had 454s.  Talk about gas
hogs just for two guys to drive back & forth!  What they saved in purchasing
the fleet they more'n used up at the pumps.  And they got stuck in snow just
as easy as cars did.  Bureaucracy at work, I guess...

Olds content:  Saw a white '67 4-door CS at a gas station in Sudbury, MA.
Nice unrestored example... hope somebody isn't planning on ruining it by
driving it in the salt this winter...



Tim Churchill        OCA #30327           Framingham, MA
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'

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