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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, October 26 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1573



Bondo - my .02
OPEN ELEMENT AIR CLEANER
'76 Cutlass Supreme
Re: door jamb bolt
carburator
Aligning a door
70-72 442 Black Dash Pad
Re: carburator
Re: open element air cleaner
Re: open element air cleaner
Re: Aligning a door
Re: Aligning a door
Re: Aligning a door
Re: Air Cleaner mods
SEATS
Re: SEATS
wetherstrip kit
Re: SEATS
Re: Water Pump Gone
Re: TH350 replacing a Jetaway
Re: Aligning a door
RE: Open Air Cleaners
SV: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
Re: 1984 Hurst F/S
Re: Muffler Question
RE: Open Air Cleaners
Re: Water Pump Gone
Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
Non-Olds, but could be Olds related
Re: Open Air Cleaners
Re: wetherstrip kit
Re: SEATS
455 rebuild
UNBOUNCE: Non-Olds, but could be Olds related
UNBOUNCE: SSIII wheels FS
UNBOUNCE: '76 Cutlass Supreme FS
Re: 1981 vs. 1985 307
Re: Water Pump Gone
Olds rims
Re: carburator
1964 olds holiday super 88
Re: 1964 olds holiday super 88
Re: Water Pump Gone
Re: 1964 olds holiday super 88
1965 425 Motor
Re: Flow Master mufflers
Re: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny
fs:  parts
emblem locations???
Re: open element air cleaner
Re: 1987 olds cutlass engine buid up
Re: carburetor
R/F FENDER AND LIGHTING NEEDED
What do you think of the Alero?
Re: Water Pump Gone
Re: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny
Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
Re: open element air cleaner
Re: open element air cleaner
New Hot Wheels Aurora
Re: open element air cleaner
RE: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:49:53 -0500
From: "Mark Thurman" <Thurman@kvnet.org>
Subject: Bondo - my .02

FWIW I have seen 2 interesting bondo applications while working on my 70
cutlass: 1) on my parts car, on the body around a quarter panel replacement,
whoever applied the bondo had drilled many 3/16" holes and "squished" the
bondo into them.  This seems to have given the bondo an unbelievable grip to
the
panel.  The welds were ground but left very, very rough.  The car sat
exposed
16 years at my house but I don't know how old the repair was, it
took a chisel to loosen most of bondo.  2) in the front fenders of my
current resto
project, the lower areas had been rebuilt with much bondo & a very coarse
stainless steel wire
cloth.  This yielded a very strong repair, the major problem seemed to
be that the repair was done with the fender attached to the car, so the
cured bondo was
constantly exposed to moisture on the inside.  I belive I read that bondo
holds moisture, so the surrounding metal had rusted away.
Where there was no rust it took much effort to dislodge the bondo.....mt

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:21:22 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: OPEN ELEMENT AIR CLEANER

Is it worth install an open element air cleaner in an '85 307. what I have
now is just a regular air filter. Any Ideas?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:24:21 EST
From: SDelaney22@aol.com
Subject: '76 Cutlass Supreme

Greetings,

My name is Steve and I have had a '76 light blue Cutlass in storage for years.
It needs a little work but will make somebody a good running project.  I want
to sell the car as is and free up my storage space. The car runs and has some
after market parts such as a Holly Carb and High Fire Mallory Ignition System
and coil spring traction bars.  I live in the Dallas Wt. Worth area and will
let this car go for $1,250.00

E-mail  SDelaney22@aol.com Ph# 817-861-0429

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:33:15 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: door jamb bolt

Thanks to all those who consistantly give me the correct information. (Aren't
we having a great time rebuilding my car?) I realized that I probably stripped
the bolt myself. It isn't a torx it's an allen wrench! Should have used my
glasses. Anyway, NAPA gave me one for $12. Let you know how it goes.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:41:45 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: carburator

QUESTION:
    How can you tell the difference between a 4 barrel carb and a 2 barrel
carb?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:38:28 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Aligning a door

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How does one go about aligning a door (68 442).  I know that the hinges
have
bolts holding them in, however, mine seem to be tack-welded.  Is this
normal?
How in the world do I adjust the door without unwelding the
tack-welding?

Later....
- --
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68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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FWIW I have seen 2 interesting bondo applications while working on my 70
cutlass: 1) on my parts car, on the body around a quarter panel replacement,
whoever applied the bondo had drilled many 3/16" holes and "squished" the
bondo into them.  This seems to have given the bondo an unbelievable grip to
the
panel.  The welds were ground but left very, very rough.  The car sat
exposed
16 years at my house but I don't know how old the repair was, it
took a chisel to loosen most of bondo.  2) in the front fenders of my
current resto
project, the lower areas had been rebuilt with much bondo & a very coarse
stainless steel wire
cloth.  This yielded a very strong repair, the major problem seemed to
be that the repair was done with the fender attached to the car, so the
cured bondo was
constantly exposed to moisture on the inside.  I belive I read that bondo
holds moisture, so the surrounding metal had rusted away.
Where there was no rust it took much effort to dislodge the bondo.....mt





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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:44:02 -0800
From: "Bruce Camilli" <bcam@vel.net>
Subject: 70-72 442 Black Dash Pad

I found this item listed at eBay and thought somebody might be in need of one,
especially at $40. You can see this at
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=37439102 Bruce Camilli 
70
Delta 88 Conv. 75 Delta 88 Royale conv.

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:44:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: carburator

A 2 barrel carb will only have 2 openings or barrels on it. (When
looking from the top) A 4 barrel will have 4 openings or barrels
==
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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:46:17 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

The open air elements allow the car to pull in more air, they do not cause
more gas to burn.
K&N probably makes the best filter out there, they also have a whole cleaner
assembly.
Im running a Edelbrock cleaner with a K&N filter, and it works real well.  I
know the Edelbrock cleaner as well as K&N s cleaner are designed to funnel
air into the carb, while the cheaper open air filters just allow you to put
an open filter on the car.

Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Elric <Elric>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:25 PM
Subject: open element air cleaner


>
>Can someone tell me if open element air cleaners cause your car to burn
more
>gas? This is a rumor I heard. And also who makes the best open element air
>cleaner?????????????????????????
>
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:49:55 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

I know that if you put on an open air cleaner, and do not block the vacuum
that goes to the original filter, the car will backfire.......I forgot,
pluged the connection and it has worked fine for the last two years.

Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme
- -->From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:02 PM
>Subject: Re: open element air cleaner
>
>
>>
>>
>>Frank Montero wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me if open element air cleaners cause your car to burn
>more
>>> gas? This is a rumor I heard. And also who makes the best open element
>air
>>> cleaner?????????????????????????
>>
>>        Frank,
>>
>>        According to the Edelbrock website, an open element air cleaner
>will
>>make your carburetor run richer.  I had one for awhile and can't say my
>fuel
>>economy suffered, but it didn't get any better, either.  My car also
>backfired
>>from time to time with it.   Most people recommend K&N.  Haven't used them
>>myself.
>>
>>--
>>Thomas P. Smith
>>1971 Cutlass S 350
>>smithtp@ix.netcom.com
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aligning a door

The hinges on the door itself should not be welded on there. If they
do look welded, try taking a screw driver to what appears to be the
weld. Sometimes they use that rubber sealant crap on the hinges also.
If they are welded, I am at lost!!!

==
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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:03:51 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Aligning a door

Rock Man wrote:

> The hinges on the door itself should not be welded on there. If they
> do look welded, try taking a screw driver to what appears to be the
> weld. Sometimes they use that rubber sealant crap on the hinges also.
> If they are welded, I am at lost!!!

I don't want to chip at it because the jambs were painted.


- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:07:47 EST
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aligning a door

the brackets are tack welded?? on both the door jam and the door itself?
if not welded to the door itself, then simply losen the lower set of bolts and
slip shims in them,,, any national parts store has them.

Also if you have "play" in the door,, if you can raise the door up while its
open, then you need to replace the pins and bushings, that is a simple job
with 2 people or a floor jack placed under an open door with a piece of wood
and a towel protecting the lower part of the door, just make sure you only do
1 at a time.
Hope this helps
Jeffrey T. Fieldsend
Board of Director OCC- Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77
http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:10:17 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner mods

if you want more air induction with the stock cleaner, turn the lid over.
this way the air doesn't need to travel through the snorkel.  then when you
goto the car shows, just turn it over to retain origional look.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:32:07 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: SEATS

I need the chrome caps that go on the sides of both front seats where you
adjust the reclining. There like plastic covers. Mine snapped. Can someone
head me in the right direction as to where I can pick these up at. All the
junk yards I go to don't have them or they're destroyed(very ugly).

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SEATS

What year is the car? Model? Paddock has some of the plastic seat
parts. http://www.paddockparts.com




- ---Frank Montero <parc@erols.com> wrote:
>
> I need the chrome caps that go on the sides of both front seats
where you
> adjust the reclining. There like plastic covers. Mine snapped. Can
someone
> head me in the right direction as to where I can pick these up at.
All the
> junk yards I go to don't have them or they're destroyed(very ugly).
>
>

==
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1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:55:01 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: wetherstrip kit

Where can I obtain a weather strip kit for an '85 Cutlass w/T-tops?
 I would like all new stripping all around.

        thanks

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:01:17 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: Re: SEATS

it's an 85 cutlass 442

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: SEATS


>What year is the car? Model? Paddock has some of the plastic seat
>parts. http://www.paddockparts.com
>
>
>
>
>---Frank Montero <parc@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>> I need the chrome caps that go on the sides of both front seats
>where you
>> adjust the reclining. There like plastic covers. Mine snapped. Can
>someone
>> head me in the right direction as to where I can pick these up at.
>All the
>> junk yards I go to don't have them or they're destroyed(very ugly).
>>
>>
>
>==
>Rock-Man's Page
>http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:01:00 -0600
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone

- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone


>
>
> Anyway, Mick Gillespie's original post asked if the pump
from
>Summit for '71 through '77 cars without A/C would fit his
'69 car, which
>also does not have A/C.   My earlier response brought up
the point that
>Supercars Unlimited lists different part numbers for
'68-'70 cars
>without A/C and '71-'72 cars, also without A/C.  So, I'd be
cautious
>about the Summit pump; I have no idea, myself.
Thanks for all the input on this. I called Summit back today
and tried to cancel but they've already shipped. The tech
there told me that the 70 pump was carried over into most of
the 71 model year. He aked me how my alternator bracket was
mounted and when I told him, he said the pump would fit????
I really wish I could have cancelled and ordered from Greg
Rollin in the first place. The trouble was I had the Summit
catalogue right in front of me and didn't think to call
SuperCars unlimited (where I know they've got the
knowledge). I will next time though.
BTW, The evaporator fits in the HVAC case under the dash
with the heater core. The A/C condenser mounts in front of
the radiator, so shoudn't affect the spacing of the pump.
The real issue is lining up the pulleys correctly.
Thanks again for the help.
===================================================
Mick Gillespie
1969 Cutlass S Conv.
1980 Toronado Brougham
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
mgillespie@sprynet.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:05:38 -0500
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: TH350 replacing a Jetaway

   From: John H. Edmonds III <edmonds@UU.NET>
        I have been researching this swap for quite some time, and I =
still have some unresolved issues, so I am asking for anyone's =
assistance. The car in question is a 1967 Cutlass Supreme Convertible =
with the 330/320 4 barrel in front of a Jetaway.=20
       1. What exactly do I need as far as linkage is concerned to make =
the transition from the Jetaway to the TH350?
        2. B&M Racing sells a BOP TH350 in their catalog with a 6 inch =
tail shaft. Would this transmission work in my situation? Or should I =
get a used Olds TH350 and have it rebuilt?=20

        I eventually want to replace the 330 with a 455, so this leads =
to...
        3. Instead of just putting in the TH350 behind the 330, should I =
just wait until I have a 455 that is ready to be swapped in and do both =
at the same time?=20

John,
	If your Jetaway is working okay and you are certain you want a 455 then
leave everything alone and install the 455/TH350 combo as a unit when you
get them ready.  If your Jetaway is shot and the installation of a 455 is
far in the future then you might as well install the tranny.  Besides, if
the 330/Jetaway are original you may want to store them for the future in
case you sell it.  Original drive train is a excellent selling point.  Good
Luck.

Jim Brady

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:15:05 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Aligning a door

DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com wrote:

> the brackets are tack welded?? on both the door jam and the door itself?

It looks like the hinge is tack-welded to the door.

I think my doors are not high enough since the w/s is higher up on the
door
sill.  I don't believe I have any play with either door.

- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:15:01 -0500
From: Kyle Roe <karoe@us.ibm.com>
Subject: RE: Open Air Cleaners

Does the diameter of an open air cleaner effect any change of any kind ? Or is
the diameter of the cleaner a visual, appearance choice ?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:20:42 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

 > Leter (no offense to Olds owners who have Flowmasters on their cars ( AS
> LONG AS THE MOTOR IS AN OLDS MOTOR) if not then you must be burned at the


I use supertrapp on my 69 f85
they look super on the car :-)
they have the deep sound :-))
AND
they are adjustable :-))) (for the tec.pepole who argue aboute the
noise(?))

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:26:20 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1984 Hurst F/S

The car is located in Georgetown.  I called he said the engine and trans
was rebuilt, the interior is in good shape except one worn spot on the
drivers side floor and the console door was cracked.  Her also stated it
needed a paint job and sticker kit.  The factory wheels are on the car
but the clear coat is flaking off.  The numbers are supposed to match.
It was wrecked in the front when he bought it and he repaced the door
house, except for the hood it is original.  He said he has to sell it to
devote more time to his 70 442.

Jason Shreve
1971 Cutlass
1972 Cutlass Supreme
1968 SS Camaro
1979 Trans Am Bandit Edition


>Frank Montero wrote:
>>
>> HEY, I'm very interested in the car. I'm here in NY. If you can
please maybe
>> obtain some more info about the car and possibly a picture, I'd
greatly
>> appreciate it. Thanks so much.
>
>It would be best if you called the seller direct.  They may have access
>to the net from their end, but I couldn't send a picture if I had it.
>Don't have a scanner or appropriate camera yet, but I'm looking.  If
you
>find out where it is, I might be able to go take a look depending on
>work load, distance, etc.
>
>Don Sowers


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:29:23 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Muffler Question

Any quality free flowing muffler will increase performance!!!!!!!!!!!

>wouldn't Flow Masters increase performance though??????
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gregory Zimmerman <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:41 AM
>Subject: Re: Muffler Question
>
>
>>I've been running Walker dyno-max superturbos (2 1/4") for six years
>>and they still sound great and don't have any rust on them.  Not bad
>>for $35 each.
>>
>>-greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:35:22 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: RE: Open Air Cleaners

The diameter is very important to filter surface area, and a large
diameter gives more room for clearing carb & linkage. K&N uses a 16"
diameter to make a low profile sculptured air cleaner fo holleys with
milled choke tower. I have a 3.5" tall air cleaner of this type on my
442 (chebby 454), Edlebrock performer intake and 1/2" nitrous plate.  I
did not have room for the 4" model with the plate. The difference over a
stock air cleaner is easily noticeable.

ps:  I am trying to get a 455 Olds!

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:36:21 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone

> OK, let me step out on a limb with a generalization. Most
> evaporators are crammed in the area between the radiator and
> grille with the radiator located in the same spot for either
> A/C or Non-A/C vehicles.

True.

> I have yet to see one with the radiator moved to the rear for
> evaporator clearance. Of course this applies to American cars and
> trucks, not any "furrin stuff" as they known to do weird things.

Yup. Many used to be dealer-installed kits (back when they built the
cars overseas at least), and the factory obviously wanted the least
amount of disassembly necessary to get the job done. I saw a friend's
new Toyota Tercel get the dealer-A/C-kit treatment back in 1982. Very
slick job, done in less than a day, complete with a little blue A/C
compressor button stuck into the pre-designed spot in the dash.

> I am not saying it is not possible that some have been moved, just
> that I have never witnessed this.

Yeah, could be. Two other possibilities I thought of for why you
might have different water pumps between A/C and non-A/C cars:
different drive belt routing and pulley assemblies between the
two types, since you don't have a compressor to operate which
usually gets its own drive belt; or a different-size radiator
(bigger for A/C cars) that might be a bit thicker or mounted
differently or some such...

But certainly no manufacturer wants to have two variations of part
if they can possibly avoid it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:34:00 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

Yes they will increase your performance, but so will any good free
flowing muffler.  Flowmaster is there own company.  I have a set of 2
chambers on my 1971 Cutlass.  I also installed the flowmaster pipes and
I am extremely pleased.  Two chambers are drag mufflers (LOUD)!!!


>Do flow masters increase performance at all or do they just sound good.
Some
>tell me they do increase performance others tell me they don't. What's
the
>final verdict??????
>
>Can anyone tell me who manufactures Flow Master mufflers??????
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:39:34 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

Remember this is just one mans thoughts.  FlowMaster has an outstanding
name and reputation to go with it.


>
>Can you tell me exactly which welder muffler it is your speaking about.
I
>just might install those instead of flow masters. You say there better
than
>flow masters. Can you please describe in more just why there better
than
>flow masters????
>
>
>                                    THANKS SO MUCH
>
>                                    FRANK
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:18 AM
>Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
>
>
>>Flow master makes them they in and of themselves do not increase
>performance
>>they do however have less back pressure allowing your engine to vent
its
>>waste gasses in a more expeditiouus manner Walker makes a welded
muffler
>>(that is the term for these boxes) called a race magnum that works and
>>sounds better than a flowmaster......KK
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:52 PM
>>Subject: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
>>
>>
>>>Do flow masters increase performance at all or do they just sound
good.
>>Some
>>>tell me they do increase performance others tell me they don't.
What's the
>>>final verdict??????
>>>
>>>Can anyone tell me who manufactures Flow Master mufflers??????
>>>
>>
>
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:45:30 -0800
From: Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Non-Olds, but could be Olds related

Hi all,

My company is sending me to Washington, DC.  Nov 7 - 12.  I am going to
the
SIGAda conference at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel.  If anyone is interested,
who
lives in the area, in putting a face to a name I would like to meet you
and
your Oldsmobiles!  No pressure here.  I'm not sure how jet lag is going
to
affect me anyway.  Oh well.  Any takers?
- --
Chris Sparks
68 442 SC - Frosty
68 442 HT - Scarlet
68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:48:21 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: Re: Open Air Cleaners

The bigger diameter, and taller element provide better air flow.
I small diameter air cleaner has a tendency to restrict airflow on the
larger motors, meaning any V8
the only reason people need the smaller cleaners is for dual quad or triple
deuce applications, and for them an oval type filter or scoop is better ,
for the same airflow reasons
Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme

>Does the diameter of an open air cleaner effect any change of any kind ? Or
is
>the diameter of the cleaner a visual, appearance choice ?
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:51:45 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: wetherstrip kit

> Where can I obtain a weather strip kit for an '85 Cutlass w/T-tops?
>  I would like all new stripping all around.

GM is the only place to get them.  I got a set a few years ago for
around 90 bucks/side with a healthy discount.  Don't know if they're
still available or not.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:54:41 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: SEATS

> I need the chrome caps that go on the sides of both front seats where you
> adjust the reclining.

Whoo hoo.  Good LUCK!  These items are no longer produced by GM, and are
discontinued.  Finding a useable set is almost impossible, since that's
what they do, they snap at the screw holes.  Gotta be real careful with
them.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:57:17 -0400
From: "Brian Smith" <smithclan@sprint.ca>
Subject: 455 rebuild

Thanks for the input on my 455 rebuild questions. I need a clarification
regarding the pushrods. Is it correct that once you use the thicker head
gasket you automatically have to compensate by way of adjustable or longer
pushrods or shims - even if you didn't do any other modifications?

Secondly, I'm going to purchase lifters, pivots and perhaps rockers in the
near future. Should I buy GM pieces or can you get better quality for less
cost aftermarket? Are there any concerns with what lifters to buy at this
stage? I was thinking of cam choice, or the above concerns of pushrod length
and lifter preload?

Thanks again Rocket fans.!

Brian Smith
1971 SX coupe

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:04:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Non-Olds, but could be Olds related

Majordomo interpreted the word "who" as a request for info from me...
forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Chris Sparks <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Non-Olds, but could be Olds related

Hi all,

My company is sending me to Washington, DC.  Nov 7 - 12.  I am going to
the SIGAda conference at the Omni-Shoreham Hotel.  If anyone is
interested, who lives in the area, in putting a face to a name I would
like to meet you and your Oldsmobiles!  No pressure here.  I'm not sure
how jet lag is going to affect me anyway.  Oh well.  Any takers?

- -- Chris Sparks 68 442 SC - Frosty 68 442 HT - Scarlet 68 442 HT - Saffron
82 DRB - Dr. "B"  http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:07:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: SSIII wheels FS

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	senator@mail.chorus.net
Subject: SSIII wheels FS

Ok, I posted this a while ago, but I have 4 SSIII wheels, with trim rings
and 2 center caps for sale.  With a little cleaning, they'll look good as
new.  One of them has a little problem holding air (something with the seal
area and rust), so it may or may not need repair.
I have pictures, too.

Any offers?

Bob

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:10:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '76 Cutlass Supreme FS

Not on the list; respond to SDelaney22@aol.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	SDelaney22@aol.com
Subject: '76 Cutlass Supreme

Greetings,

My name is Steve and I have had a '76 light blue Cutlass in storage for
years.  It needs a little work but will make somebody a good running
project.  I want to sell the car as is and free up my storage space. The
car runs and has some after market parts such as a Holly Carb and High
Fire Mallory Ignition System and coil spring traction bars.  I live in the
Dallas Wt. Worth area and will let this car go for $1,250.00

E-mail  SDelaney22@aol.com Ph# 817-861-0429

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:14:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1981 vs. 1985 307

I've never driven an early ('81) 307 Delta, but drove a couple of
'85s when I was looking to buy a used car last year. I noticed the same
thing, that power was not one of their assets. The 307 in those really
seemed to labor. Compared to my 350 it was quite a noticeable difference.
It was enough in the case of one of them to turn me off from buying the
car. I wonder if someone with one of the later wagons that used the 307 up
to 1990 can comment on how the last versions performed.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:17:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone

I always thought water pumps for a given application were the same across
a number of years for Olds motors, but on the weekend I was shown water
pumps from '70 and '71 455s, both with a/c, and the castings were
noticeably different. It surprised me, so I'm *not* surprised that there
is some confusion when you go to replace one of these.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:17:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Olds rims

Okay, this has always bugged me! How can you tell the difference in
the SSII and the SSIII rims? I remember being told the difference in
another rim....can't remember if that was the SSI? Is there such a
thing? But, I know that I 2 different sets of ralleys. The ones I have
on my Cutlass have a very thin beauty ring while the ones that I have
sitting and collecting dust are really wide beauty rings. Which ones
which? Anyone wanna buy the 4 I have collecting dust? Make offer! They
need paint. 3 of the 4 beauty rings are there and all of the chrome
ringlets are there.




==
Rock-Man's Page
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S"
1986 Honda Accord DX

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:25:40 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: carburator

I hate to be a party pooper, but I have waded through the past 25 or so posts 
by
 this guy and I just want to know..."is this guy for real..???"  First day on
the list and he asks questions my 14 yr old daughter would know the answers
too..!! (Example below) Come on Frank...Limit your post and replies until
someone
 has time to answer the first ones you posted...!!!
 Rome (or Olds)  was not built in a day.!!!!

Mike..............................



From:          "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>

QUESTION:
    How can you tell the difference between a 4 barrel carb and a 2 barrel
carb?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:44:57 -0500 (EST)
From: KINNEYLM@webtv.net (MIKE KINNEY)
Subject: 1964 olds holiday super 88

  I am requesting infomation on above vechicle with a 394 motor, car is
a 4 door in very good condition, hardtop with 80,000 miles on it. I cant
seem to find out anything on the internet on this model, how many were
produced or whatever.
  also would like info on how to winterize it for storage for the
winter, since it will not be run for 6 months. any info is appreciated.
thanks

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:09:57 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 1964 olds holiday super 88

Hi Mike,
	the Oldsmobile FAQ at:
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm has some information
including:
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofall.htm#ALL Prepping a Car for
Long Term Storage (yes that's the URL).

	I talked to Drew about adding production numbers to his VIN
decoder at: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/ and we
agreed it would be cool but difficult.  Someone else
probably has those numbers.

MIKE KINNEY wrote:
>
>   I am requesting infomation on above vechicle with a 394 motor, car is
> a 4 door in very good condition, hardtop with 80,000 miles on it. I cant
> seem to find out anything on the internet on this model, how many were
> produced or whatever.
>   also would like info on how to winterize it for storage for the
> winter, since it will not be run for 6 months. any info is appreciated.
> thanks

- --

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@acs.ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.23p (Kermit)

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:32:16 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone

Bought one from Auto Zone for 75 350, Olds engine. Not rebuilt, brand new,
about 65.00. Looked and fit fine. Was better then the one I bought for the
400 TA from Car Quest. Had cast impeller, not stamped, smaller vanes, (more
HP). We have two Auto Zones in this little town. One is OK, other is run by
idiots,(for lack of a better term), just brought a car cover for 75 Cut,
199.95, really nice, supposed to be custom fit for 75. Will see, when it
comes in, Weds I think. Will 75 pump fit 69, 350, don't know. I'm good with
engines, don't know what interchanges with what, never really cared until
now.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 8:31 PM

> M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> > Local AutoZone was open but claimed that the pump wasn't
> > available.
>
>         If I had a dollar for every part that Auto Zone said was not
> available, I could buy the water pump for you (only slightly kidding).

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:40:30 -0500
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: 1964 olds holiday super 88

SNIP

1964 Super 88 Holiday Sedan
Model # 64-3539
Base Price (no options) $3,472.00
Curb weight (no options) 4,054
Production  17,778

Regards,
Fred
OCA 16246

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:42:42 -0600
From: "Dave Rench" <renchd@krause.com>
Subject: 1965 425 Motor

I just bought a 1965 425 motor (A block, A heads).  From the FAQ I know
that the cam bank angle is 45 degrees and that it probably has a different
rocker setup (looking for comments positive or negative about this setup
versus later).  I also know that it has a forged crank (which is a good
thing) that needs an early model flexplate because of different pattern.
Anything else I need to know.  It is a 2BBL motor.  I don't know the
compression or horsepower.  It supposedly was a 70,000 mile motor that ran
well when pulled a few years back.  It has the factory intake (no carb),
distributor, fuel pump, flexplate, waterpump and has wires and plugs.  It
also has the exhaust manifolds and crossover(single exhaust).  It is
missing PS and alternator and the crank pulleys are dented from handling.
I have a couple of possible uses for this motor.  1.  I could swap a 4BBL
intake and carb onto it etc and put it in my 83 Cutlass hoping that it was
a good solid running motor.  2. I could rebuild it (taking into account
above) for same car.  I could dismantle it, sell heads to someone with 65
442 (are castings and valve sizes the same) and use the crank, rods and 425
sized pistons on a 455 block for a 425 buildup with 39 degree cam bank
angle.  Is this the same crank used for "big" diesel block buildups
(425,440 CID)?  I paid $150 for the motor..does that seem reasonable?

The same source has several (6-7) 1966 and 1967 Toros, most with motors
that I obviously am lusting over.  What is a fair price for the blocks in
nonrunning (but free) and/or frozen up state.  How about 69 and 70 Toro
motors in same conditions?

Dave Rench
1970 W-31 (Work in Process)
1983 Cutlass (307)

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:53:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Flow Master mufflers

All,
Put duals on 75 350. Installed Turbos, no noise at all, waited two months,
put on two glas-paks, (no name) actually I believe they were made by- ACME
MANU. COMPANY, Wily E got me a deal. After driving on the highway for about
a half an hour they pop and clink, engine off and parked! They still sound
better then the Turbos. Warranty lasts until you leave the garage, after
that, void!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Flow Master mufflers
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:29 AM
>
> Frank Montero wrote:
> >
> > I have a 1985 Cutlass 442 with a 307 engine and a 200 4R tranny. I
would
> > like to install Flow master mufflers on it. Can anyone tell me how much
more
> > HP I will get by doing so, and how will it increase my performance.
> >
> >                                                             Thanks,
> >
> >                                                             Frank
>
> I don't know about more power, but they sound really good. I've got
> three chambers on my '73, when it idles, it's kinda soft, but when you
> get on it, people can hear you coming.
>
> --
> *************
> Matt Cremean
> mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 1975 Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (250 L-6 1bbl) "parts car"
> 1973 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop Coupe (350 V-8 4bbl) "The Oldsmoslow"
> 1970 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (350 V-8 2bbl) "The Unit"
> 1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4bbl) "The Blue Taxi"
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
> **************************************************

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:55:10 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny

Sell home,
Lou

- ----------
> From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 9:54 AM
>
> How can I increase performance and HP without having to refinance my
> home????

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:58:17 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: fs:  parts

the car is a 1970 cutlass suprime ht.  i have the whole car still but am
limited to what i can ship out.  it would be easier for me to goto a swap meet
and sell parts.  that's what i am doing with most the big(heavy) parts.  e-
mail me with requests.  i'll try to give you guys the parts for as cheap as i
can.  i already sold the engine and tranny.  this means i broke even and
anything extra i sell is extra profit for me.  i also have many parts from a
70 442 conv.  the car was fully restored and i sorta obtained the left over
and unused parts.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:02:54 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: emblem locations???

i guess there isn't any sources for emblem locations.  i really, really need
the fender location for a 1970 442 conv non w-30 car.  i also need trunk lid
locations too.  if all else fails, could someone please measure them on their
car.  this is the only thing needed to finish the frame-off restoration.

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:10:55 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

No,
More fuel and also more air, mixture should not change with carb. equipped
engine, now using more of both, mileage will decrease, HP will increase, at
least that is what the BOOK says. Should not make it backfire, ever!
Something else wrong there.
Lou
> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: open element air cleaner
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:48 AM
> Frank Montero wrote:
>
> > Can someone tell me if open element air cleaners cause your car to burn
more
> > gas? This is a rumor I heard. And also who makes the best open element
air
> > cleaner?????????????????????????

>         According to the Edelbrock website, an open element air cleaner
will
> make your carburetor run richer.  I had one for awhile and can't say my
fuel
> economy suffered, but it didn't get any better, either.  My car also
backfired
> from time to time with it.   Most people recommend K&N.  Haven't used
them
> myself.

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:12:51 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 1987 olds cutlass engine buid up

Jason,
You assoc. with Shreves' engines in St. Lou?
Lou
- ----------
> From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 1987 olds cutlass engine buid up
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:02 PM

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:16:19 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: carburetor

Sorry to all!
Frank, two holes or four holes, looking into.
Lou

> From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: carburator
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:41 PM
>
> QUESTION:
>     How can you tell the difference between a 4 barrel carb and a 2
barrel
> carb?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:03:56 -0500
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: R/F FENDER AND LIGHTING NEEDED

A friend of mine has a '72 cutlass that got clipped in the right front
fender by someone who apparantly can't drive through parking lots. He is
in need of a R/F fender with complete lighting assy. The grill is OK,
and the hood is OK. This is not a Supreme or 442. Anyone who has these
items please send me replies on how much it would be(with shipping) to
get them to Ft. Stewart, GA. That is close to Savannah, GA. Zip code is
31315. I will be relaying this to him so he can pick the best deal. He
wants a straight, rust free fender.
thanx, T.J. ('68 SUPREME H/C W/455)

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:23:52 EST
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: What do you think of the Alero?

Saw my first Alero today on the dealer's lot (Hays is a small town and pickup
trucks rule the roost here!)  It's a green coupe and sticker is about $21,700.
Lots of options including the V-6.  I *LIKE* the looks of this one.  Better
than it's GrandAm twin and MUCH better than those *UGLY* Achievas!  But nearly
$22K for a compact car?  What do y'all think?

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:40:31 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump Gone

If you look the evaporator is mounted to the radiator support.  The rear
of it hangs throught the hole in the support.  The radiator can not set
flush in the hole because of this. Notice that there is about 1/2 an
inch of air space. This is on my 71 and 72 cutlass's.  Now on my non a/c
68 Camaro the radiator is almost flush with the opening in the support.


>
>OK, let me step out on a limb with a generalization.  Most evaporators
are
>crammed in the area between the radiator and grille with the radiator
located
>in the same spot for either A/C or Non-A/C vehicles.  I have yet to see
one
>with the radiator moved to the rear for evaporator clearance.
>Of course this applies to American cars and trucks, not any "furrin
stuff" as
>they known to do weird things.  I am not saying it is not possible that
some
>have been moved, just that I have never witnessed this.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:38:56 -0500
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny

That depends on the heads your 307 came with, I own a 1985 Olds 442 that I
just finished restoring. This is what I did to increase horsepower to around
290. I had the block bored .030 and installed TRW 9.5-1 forged pistons with
moly rings from sealed power, they took .020 off the surface of the block
and .030 off of the heads, I run the comp cams 260H camshaft and lifter kit
along with an edelbrock true rolling timing chain and gears. I also use a
MSD box with blaster coil as my ignition source. The oil pump is sealed
power high volume, I retained the stock intake and carb except I had the
carb reworked to perform better with the larger cam, this stuff did not come
to cheap however my total investment in the motor was about 2500.00 along
with other various minor improvements . But after the motor was broken in at
around 2000 miles in was put on a dyno and we found 292 HP and 345 ft lbs of
torque out of the 307. The heads my car has is the 5A if you have 7A heads
you are kind of limited because they have puny ports and a roller cam shaft
. Hope this helps you , my 442 wil now keep up with most mustangs and will
eat any stock Monte SS or early Buick GN.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:05 AM
Subject: 1985 307 w/200 4R tranny


>How can I increase performance and HP without having to refinance my
>home????
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:43:55 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

Jegs High Performance sells them 1800-345-4545. They flow better than
Flowmasters!!! $50.00 a piece(I believe)
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:13 PM
>
> DUDE,
>     you mentioned DYNOMAX mufflers, where can I pick these up at and will
> they increase performance like flowmasters will??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
>
>
> >I have a pair of the DynoMax Race Magnum mufflers. They DON'T have
chambers
> >like Flowmasters do(Hp loss due to the exhaust having to make turns).
The
> >Dynomax are a straight through design that makes more power. EVERY
"Mustang
> >Dork" out there has the Flowmaster on their car. THIS IS THE BIGGEST
REASON
> >NOT TO GET THEM ON YOUR CAR. The Flowmaster produces a "high shrill"
sound
> >while the Dynomax produces a "low bear like sound" which complements the
> >olds motor so much more. Be different and get the Dynomax race magnums
> >(jegs sells them for about $50.00  a piece), I have athe 2 1/2 inch with
> >the angled pipe(meaning you can see through the muffler to the other
side
> >but the pipe is on an angle - In center/ Off center - ).
> >
> >Leter (no offense to Olds owners who have Flowmasters on their cars ( AS
> >LONG AS THE MOTOR IS AN OLDS MOTOR) if not then you must be burned at
the
> >stake!!!
> >Pettrix@prodigy.net
> >
> >----------
> >> From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >> Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
> >> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 10:37 AM
> >>
> >> Can you tell me exactly which welder muffler it is your speaking
about. I
> >> just might install those instead of flow masters. You say there better
> >than
> >> flow masters. Can you please describe in more just why there better
than
> >> flow masters????
> >>
> >>
> >>                                     THANKS SO MUCH
> >>
> >>                                     FRANK
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:18 AM
> >> Subject: Re: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
> >>
> >>
> >> >Flow master makes them they in and of themselves do not increase
> >> performance
> >> >they do however have less back pressure allowing your engine to vent
its
> >> >waste gasses in a more expeditiouus manner Walker makes a welded
muffler
> >> >(that is the term for these boxes) called a race magnum that works
and
> >> >sounds better than a flowmaster......KK
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Frank Montero <parc@erols.com>
> >> >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> >Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 3:52 PM
> >> >Subject: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Do flow masters increase performance at all or do they just sound
good.
> >> >Some
> >> >>tell me they do increase performance others tell me they don't.
What's
> >the
> >> >>final verdict??????
> >> >>
> >> >>Can anyone tell me who manufactures Flow Master mufflers??????
> >> >>
> >> >
> >

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:50:34 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

No an open element air cleaner lets you have better airflow.  It does
not cause you to burn more gas.  I would get a K&N drop base air
cleaner.  This will allow you to run a bigger air cleaner.  I would also
get a K&N Air filter.  It will greatly help your car breath better. It
will help you to also have a free flowing exhaust like you were asking
about.  K&N also sells a air cleaner top with a filter built in.  It
will help to reduce turbulence in the air cleaner.  Also a plus with K&N
filters is that they are washable, so you can reuse them.  They have a
million mile guarantee!!!

>
>Can someone tell me if open element air cleaners cause your car to burn
more
>gas? This is a rumor I heard. And also who makes the best open element
air
>cleaner?????????????????????????
>
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:49:24 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

Lou Biggs wrote:

> No,
> More fuel and also more air, mixture should not change with carb. equipped
> engine, now using more of both, mileage will decrease, HP will increase, at
> least that is what the BOOK says.

        Lou,

        No argument from me.  The snips below from the Edelbrock website (their
emphasis, not mine) led me to my previous statement.  Granted, I was reading
between the lines, a bit.  They don't actually SAY open elements make your carb
richer, but the statements below can imply that.  If I missed something, I'm
glad to hear it.  My point was that if the carb is calibrated from the factory
for the factory's air cleaner, simply putting an open element, with an
increased airflow, on may change the equation.

"Any calibration testing should be performed with the air cleaner in place.
Depending upon the
air cleaner used, the metering typically will be leaner with the air cleaner in
place.......If you are running a smaller air cleaner and have optimized the WOT
with it in place, do not be surprised to find that the metering shifts RICHER
when the air cleaner is removed."

> Should not make it backfire, ever!
> Something else wrong there.

        I'm sure you're right.  Like I said, I was satisfied with the other air
cleaner and this was happening with my 2 bbl. Since I was planning on going to
a 4 bbl, I never hassled with it.  Also, I just put on a stock air cleaner when
I went to a 4 bbl, so I don't have much to compare it to.
- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:53:40 -0500
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: New Hot Wheels Aurora

Found @ Toys R Us in a 5 pack police set was a new version of the Aurora, a
K-9 Unit #54 w/o a light bar of any kind.  the chassis is plastic and REAR
WHEEL DRIVE!!!  Our wishes have come true - a new Olds w/ V8 and RWD ;-)
Just another model to find.

 -----  Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
|  |  | OCA# 18984
|  |  | 1987 442 W-42
|  |  | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|  |  | President, Oldsmobile Centennial Club (Maryland Chapter of OCA)
| /|\ | Oldsmobile Centennial Club Web Site:
http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
|/ | \| Home: brad442@erols.com
|  |  | OCA: WebGuy@oldsclub.org
 -----  Oldsmobile Club of America Web Site: http://www.oldsclub.org

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:34 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: open element air cleaner

Sorry Jason,
More air, more fuel. Written in stone!  As long as it's carbed, air flow
determines fuel flow. No exceptions!  No flame intended. Just wrong here.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: open element air cleaner
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 6:50 PM
>
> No an open element air cleaner lets you have better airflow.  It does
> not cause you to burn more gas.  I would get a K&N drop base air
> cleaner.  This will allow you to run a bigger air cleaner.  I would also
> get a K&N Air filter.  It will greatly help your car breath better. It
> will help you to also have a free flowing exhaust like you were asking
> about.  K&N also sells a air cleaner top with a filter built in.  It
> will help to reduce turbulence in the air cleaner.  Also a plus with K&N
> filters is that they are washable, so you can reuse them.  They have a
> million mile guarantee!!!
>
> >
> >Can someone tell me if open element air cleaners cause your car to burn
> more
> >gas? This is a rumor I heard. And also who makes the best open element
> air
> >cleaner?????????????????????????
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:09:44 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: FLOW MASTER MUFFLERS

On Monday, October 26, 1998 7:44 PM, nameless wrote:
> Jegs High Performance sells them 1800-345-4545. They flow better than
> Flowmasters!!! $50.00 a piece(I believe)

This post included ~94~ lines of earlier e-mail, inlcuding all sorts of e-mail
headers and members' signatures.  Please, guys, ~please~ trim your replies!
It's getting old even on the real-time list mode.  I can't imagine being on the
digest and having to scroll through almost 100 lines of earlier text to find a
two-liner that gives a phone number and price!  The information is greatly
appreciated...but ~please~ trim the replies!

Thanks.

Jason Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-Mail: jadcock@vt.edu
Web: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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