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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, December 27 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1686



'68 cutlass
gifts
Best place to buy springs?
Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..
425 crank in a gas sb
Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc
Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list
Re: Best place to buy springs?
Re: 70 delta 88
Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc
Re: cylinder wear vs high compression
Re: '68 cutlass
Diesel Car Front Springs
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: W-30 STRIPES
Attn. 66 4-4-2 Owners
Web Pages Revised
Re: '68 cutlass W-31
Birthday Request(Non-Olds)
Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list
Email crashed (sniff, sniff)
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: 69 442 for Xmas
Re: '68 cutlass W-31
Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..
Re: 69 H/O Model
1999 Oldsmobile Nationals
Re: I'm going to throw this computer put the window.
Re: 455 vs 073
Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc
Re: torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question (was: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???)
Holidays
Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc
Re: 425 Crank Question
Wiper woes
Re: 1999 Oldsmobile Nationals
Junk Yard and stickers needed
Re: Birthday Request(Non-Olds)
Re: Junk Yard and stickers needed

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:24:58 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: '68 cutlass

Out of all my books only one says that a convertible W-31 was made but
that was in 69 of which 26 were created.  But I'm sure it could have
been ordered in 68 as well.

Steven
70 W-30 conv
OCA 021442

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:43:00 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: gifts

Received two books for Christmas both from Motorbooks International

1) Motor City Muscle - great book so far.  A general history book with
interesting facts. Lots of pictures of Olds including the 69 H/O
convertible, Rallye 350, W-30 and many 442s most of the book is in color

2)Oldsmobile Muscle Cars - a neat book about Old's that covers a ton of
cars from the 88 in the 50s to Jetstars, to Cutlass' to the G-bodies.\

Though this las book has some neat facts it is a little frustrating.  I
think someone on the list should take all these books and put all the
information into one great book.

I know it must be tough to be exact but all the books I have conflict
with one another so much as well as having labled specific year cars
incorrectly it drives me nuts.

Steven
70 W-30 conv
OCA 021442

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:56:37 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@intrlink.com>
Subject: Best place to buy springs?

Hello all,

There's some front end work that needs to be done on my Vista Cruiser. 
Since I'll be crawling around under the car anyway I've decided it's a
good time to replace all four springs since they've been there for
200,000 miles.  I'd like to get some recommendations on where to buy
them.  I'm looking for variable-rate springs, I'd like to improve the
handling a bit but keep a smooth ride.

Any information is appreciated.

Thanks, 

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:06:27 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..

>Will grant that HP and torque are related, but isn't it a more complex
>relationship than "proportional"?


Along with velocity (in this case, rpm)...to the tune of h.p = torque X 5250
/ rpm  (or something loke that...)

>>The exact relationship is
>        acceleration = power/(mass of car x velocity of car)
> > In this formula acceleration is in metres/sec^2, power of the engine
>> is in watts, mass of the car is in kilograms, and velocity is in
>> metres per second.  >>

>Watt??
>
>Umm...


Power is Power... One HP = 746 Watts.

drc

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:07:01 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: 425 crank in a gas sb

Hello all,
 I thought i sent this the other day, but it must not have made it.

I wonder if the main journals on the 425 crank could be cut down to fit the 
gas sb? The ch*v guys
do this with the 400 sb crank to fit it into the 305 and 350 blocks. They 
grind .200" off of the
mains. We would need to grind .500" to do it, but i wonder about the rear main 
seal area. I don't
think this area needs to be fooled with on the ch*v deal.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:07:24 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc

Hello all,

Torque vs HP;
 I'm no expert, but i understand there is really no such thing as a "torque 
engine", or "hp
engine", as hp is derived mathematically from the measurement of torque. It's 
interesting that all
engines have the same torque as hp at 5250 rpm. I also think that Olds engines 
are called torque
engines because they usually produce a higher torque figure than hp, but i 
believe this is due to
the torque peak being reached at a relatively low rpm.
 If you look at a dyno sheet from an engine producing very high hp at high 
rpm, the torque and hp
lines still cross at 5250, but the hp continues to climb.
 I think most fellows who have good luck modifying factory cylinder headed 
Olds engines are aware
of the cylinder head's limitations, and try to come up with a parts combo that 
will produce max
power peak at a lower rpm.

Big inch diesel;
 Someone said you couldn't get 455" from one. I think you can get even more 
than that, with an
offset ground 425 crank, and a big overbore, although it costs ALLOT. I've 
always wondered what the
attraction was to these engines was. As Karl said, it would be allot cheaper 
to build a 455[or
482]. Perhaps the diesel block is stronger?

AMCs;
 Do we hate AMCs too?
 I'm not sure anyone cares, but i like AMCs, and i've always related to their 
owners, as like
Olds', their parts cost more than ch*ev parts, and it's harder to make them 
run[just like an Olds].
FYI there's a guy at our track with a 3100lb street driven 66 Rambler wagon 
that runs 10.80s. It's
a 10.8-1, 401" single 4barrel, 4.10 gear. The engine was built buy a AMX super 
stock racer[9 second
390" SS/C AMX] that is very good at head porting.

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:25:12 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:57:40 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Need e-mail for pontiac list

Does anyone out there have the address for the pontiac list(s)?

Try

http://www.1pontiac.com

It's more of a bulletin board set up though.

Also try searching the P*ntiac Webring.

http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=pontiacring;list


- -- 
"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. Click on the link below.....
http://www.1pontiac.com/cgi-bin/1pontiac-cgi/webbbs1-cgi/config.pl?read=3210
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:23:09 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Best place to buy springs?

In a message dated 98-12-26 13:55:49 EST, you write:

<<  I've decided it's a good time to replace all four springs since they've
been there for 200,000 miles.  I'd like to get some recommendations on where
to buy them.  I'm looking for variable-rate springs, I'd like to improve the
handling a bit but keep a smooth ride. >>

Greg,

Even stock replacement springs will be a significant improvement. For more
ground clearance, taller tires!
Used to be Karl needed a floor jack to change oil.
Four springs and taller front tires... No jack required!
Karl recommends Springs n' Things.

Um .... got the # around here somewhere, but have been attempting to become
one with the bag. Send to you later....

SOM

&K "buy duct tape" A

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:41:45 -0500 (EST)
From: mputz@interhop.net (Mike Putz)
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88

Found a 70 delta 88 convertible.  Back end rear ended, both quarters buckled
a little, trunk lid buckled a bit.  Fenders and hood look ok,  Looks like it
would run ok, 350 2bbl(don't know if original).  Probably lots of bondo in
the body parts.  Interior a little ratty, looks like someone got loose with
some vynle paint. Saw a small hole in the floor.

Anyone interested in it for resto or parts, Call Bob at 705 228-8484.  Car
and Bob are located just north of Toronto.

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:26:07 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc

>
>Big inch diesel;

I have a big inch diesel..

are you sitting down?
350hp@1900rpm
1250ft.lbs@1900rpm
5.18:1 rearend ratio
8 speed trans
top speed:72 mph
0-60: like 10 minutes
empty weight: 31,200 lbs
loaded weight:70,000 lbs (been as high as 109,000 lbs)

no real relevance, just interesting..

olds content.. driving that pig above has paid for my 67 442,68 442 and 78
cutlass.. :)

Ken

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:11:45 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: cylinder wear vs high compression

Excellent point Karl.

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-12-22 10:56:25 EST, you write:
>
> <<  Olds 350's have shorter strokes than C*evy 350's. All Mopar engines
>  have long rods for their strokes. There really are good engineering
>  design reasons why some engine brands are better than others! :) >>
>
> Yah. Makes one wonder why the 425 was so short-lived...
>
> SOM
>
> &KA

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:32:42 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '68 cutlass

Steven Saraceno wrote:
> 
> Out of all my books only one says that a convertible W-31 was made but
> that was in 69 of which 26 were created.  But I'm sure it could have
> been ordered in 68 as well.


Steven,

Nope, 1969 was the only year the W-31 option was
available on a convertible.

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:53:45 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Diesel Car Front Springs

     Anyone on the list have access to a manual that shows the spring ratings
for an '81 Olds Cutlass Supreme w/350 Diesel, and AC, and an '86 307, AC,
Cutlass Salon? Thinking the front springs are stiffer in the diesel, since the
diesel supposedly has about 2 Quarts more cooling capacity. Thanks anyone,
Dorian

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:31:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Michael Davis wrote:
> What I would like to see is something for the first year as a full line and
> for the Youngmobile campaign...1968 442..Nothing is there but that is the
> biggest production year for the 442 and the best year for the 442 but I am
> impartial.

I agree totally; however, I'm not so impartial!! :)

> I have a 1968 442 Holiday Coupe with power windows, antenna, trunk, seat,
> rear defogger, tilt, air, front disc brakes, and towing package.

<drool>

Don't suppose you want to sell me some of those options? ;-) Sounds like a
really nice car. What is the color scheme inside and out?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:26 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 STRIPES

jhbII wrote:
> (snip)
> A quick question? On a W-30,if the car has the original paint with original
> "W-30" striping could it be any thing else? The car is a 1970 and I have not
> found any build sheets but then again I have not looked real hard. Any
> thoughts, comments.    Jack



Jack,

The only applications in 1970 that used the wide
side stripes were the W-30 and W-31. 
The stripes alone of course, will not authenticate the
car as being a W machine. A build sheet is always
going to be your best means of documentation.  
I've found the sheets in virtually every 
conceivable place in the interior. 
(On some cars, I've found as many as four
of the sheets).  To verify the authenticity, 
I'd make it your mission to find a build sheet.
If one is found, I'd suggest keeping it in a
safe deposit box.


 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:12:09 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Attn. 66 4-4-2 Owners

Any owners of original 66 4-4-2's 
on the List?  Please contact me.

Thanks,

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:21:44 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Web Pages Revised

Listmembers,

I've been busy revising some of my pages, stop by and let me know what you
think.

OldsLink has many new additions, from those who asked to be included and those
of you that listed your pages on your list postings.  Stop by and see if
you're there:

http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/oldslink.htm

There's some more recent shots of Grace from before she was disassembled to go
to the sandblaster and get her chassis repainted.  They show a lot of the mods
we have done to move up to the Sportsman class in 1999:

http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/archive1.htm

I also made an imagemap that will eventually be on all my racing pages so you
can move between all the pages from any other page, let me know if it doesn't
work.  It will be on the ChasinRacin pages as soon as Patty Appleget gets the
time to load it (AOL lets me do that on my own, have to e-mail ChasinRacin the
site), I'll let you know when that happens also.

Thanks for your time, stop by when you can!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:24:15 EST
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: Re: '68 cutlass W-31

NO YOUR WRONG, A GOOD FRIEND IN THE LOCAL OLDS CLUB HERE HAS A '68 CUTLASS S
W-31 CONVERTIBLE THAT IS WELL  DOCUMENTED. AND I HAVE SEEN ANOTHER HARD TOP
HERE ALSO. THESE ARE EXTREMELY RARE, BUT DO EXIST.
LEIGH TENENHOLTZ
'68 CUTLASS S CONVERT

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:27:58 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Birthday Request(Non-Olds)

Ladies and Gents,

I'd like to ask that those of you that have the time send my wife a birthday
e-mail, she puts up with all the time I spend on the computer and all my Olds
stuff so I thought I'd surprise her.  Her birthday is the 28th, and I'm not
supposed to tell people she's going to be one more than 39..............oops!

Oh well...........

Her e-mail address is:

AK7DE3GB7@aol.com

If you have the time, I'd sure appreciate it.  No need for fancy, just a note
would be fine.

Thanks, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:16:39 -0500
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list

> Does anyone out there have the address for the pontiac list(s)?
> 
> 
  Well I'm not sure what year your interested in but this address is for 
the f-body list. Around the years 69-80 or so.
 Try sending to f-body-classic@bb-elec.com
 Hope this helps, Scott

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:34:50 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Email crashed (sniff, sniff)

It appears that my email has crashed and burned (in a manner of
speaking) and all of my archives, bookmarks, address book, etc are in
the never neverland of cyberspace environmental services-landfill
division.  If you sent me anything that I need to reply to, please
resend it because it is GONE.  You know, this starting all over again is
a bunch of crap.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause but I
don't have a clue as to what happened.  Just know it said that my
program had "performed an illegal operation and was being shut down" and
then it did so.  Hope the CIA, FBI or Secret service aren't trying to
find my address.  I didn't mean to do it, I really didn't.  I sure hope
I can relocate all the bookmarks I had, not to mention the addresses. 
WHAT A PAIN IN THE #$%#!!!!!!!!

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:02:32 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

where did you see the orange and white I have never seen this combo I have a
silver with red stripes, black with white, aztec gold with black, and the
hurst olds feel lucky you have it it was discontinued by ertl 2 years ago
still looking for the peachstate crimson red model also a white with black
stripes which would be like mine so they probably will never make that
one.....KK also the silver with red is a toys R us exclusive...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com <RARE73OLDS@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model


>black and white 69 W30
> orange and white 69 W30
>aztec gold 69 W30
>and other 69s ,not sure on the colors, hopfully will be coming out with
66-67
>442 soon because they have the chevelle SS and GTOs that year so I guess
Olds
>will follow...Harry...NJ....73 Olds Cutlass 455/4spd. 8,925 miles

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:04:29 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 for Xmas

got the same one it is the same color as my now deceased w-31
- -----Original Message-----
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
To: toro@armchair.mb.ca <toro@armchair.mb.ca>; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; olds_gbody@listbot.com <olds_gbody@listbot.com>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 11:09 AM
Subject: 69 442 for Xmas


>Well........sort of. An Ertl 1:18 scale in gold.
>
>Sidebar......what i really would have liked to have :), this 71 Delta 88
>Convertible with a 455 in the local newspaper paper i've been droping
>hints on since the begining of the week. I tried to schmooze my other
>half. Gee, i said, only $1700 or best offer, i bet if he/she has kids,
>Xmas probably hits them pretty hard $$$.  We might be able to drive that
>bad boy away for $1000 cash......what a deal !!!!!!!, not to
>mention......whose else around here but twisted ol' me, is gonna be
>eyeing up a convertible in December. Course i get the where are you
>gonna put that ?, and gee...... a 455, just what you need with your gas
>guzzling truck(460).
>
>Bbbut....bbut honey, it's probably lighter then the truck, not to
>mention, it has to be much more aerodynamic.......*laying it on REALLY
>thick now ;).*
>
> Ahem......well that did'nt work.......curse that d*amn C*mry that gets
>about 360 miles out of a tank a gas ;) anyway.......anybody else think
>that Ertl's gold paint is pretty lame ?. It seems like they did'nt put
>enough on, giving it sort of a dull, orange peeling kind of look. I've
>got 66 GTO in gold as well that is about the same, but a little bit
>better. I fished thru about 50 of those when i bought that one, hoping
>for a better quality paint job, but it seems 9 out of the 10 gold cars
>come out this way. Plus i thought i read somewhere one time that this
>442 is supposed to be "Aztec Gold" ? It sure does'nt look Aztec Gold to
>me, seems lighter, more of "Saturn Gold" maybe. The GTO is the same
>shade, which i also thought was supposed to be "Tiger Gold", but i never
>really saw a "Tiger Gold" in person to compare it to. Maybe Ertl used
>the same formulas in there gold paint that GM did in the their mid 70's
>to late 80's silver and light metallic blue paints. Course even they
>shined when they left the factory, and when they did fade, it was
>usually just the tops. Now if they just make a replica of one of the GM
>70's/80's cars, in silver or light blue, you could display it near an
>open window in your house, so after the sun hits it for about a year,
>the hood, roof and trunk could fade, just like the real thing. Just put
>a serial # on the dash and include a chart to decode it. Add a
>choice/option of about 15 different engines, made in about 15 more
>different places, by yet another 15 different manufacturers, by 15 more
>different countries, and yes, you would have the most realistic GM
>replica made to date.
>
>Alright... just trying to be funny and sarcastic, let's not take it the
>wrong way, after all if you think about, it really is the truth.
>
>Hope everyone had a safe and joyous holiday, and best wishes with many
>more to come.
>
>EJ(still looking under the tree for the keys to that Delta)
>--
>"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
>On digest where availabile, not regular mail
>E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
>                               The "Fleet"
>1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403
>     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
>     For Sale. Click on the link below.....
>http://www.1pontiac.com/cgi-bin/1pontiac-cgi/webbbs1-cgi/config.pl?read=321
0
>1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
>     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
>1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
>1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
>     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
>1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
>     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
>     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
>     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
>1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
>     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!)
>     My SO's rider

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:11:17 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: '68 cutlass W-31

dont shout  by the way I sent you a private e-mail about the air cleaner but
got an undeliverable from aol they say your address doesn't exist send a
private e-mail to kerryk@cwix.com so I can reply directly to you about the
aircleaner...
- -----Original Message-----
From: MrExMt@aol.com <MrExMt@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: '68 cutlass W-31


>NO YOUR WRONG, A GOOD FRIEND IN THE LOCAL OLDS CLUB HERE HAS A '68 CUTLASS
S
>W-31 CONVERTIBLE THAT IS WELL  DOCUMENTED. AND I HAVE SEEN ANOTHER HARD TOP
>HERE ALSO. THESE ARE EXTREMELY RARE, BUT DO EXIST.
>LEIGH TENENHOLTZ
>'68 CUTLASS S CONVERT

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:26:25 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..

Yea, but lets see a  430 hp  427 chevy pull a 30,000# box trailer up a hill
like a 430 Catipillar  diesel    !!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:41:23 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

Michael Davis wrote:
> 
> What I would like to see is something for the first year as a full line and
> for the Youngmobile campaign...1968 442..<snip>

I didn't realize that 1968 was the first year of the Youngmobile
campaign.  The 1969 ads also used this "name".

This has probably been beat to death on the list but I always thought it
was cool that the word Oldsmobile does not appear anywhere on the
exterior or in the cabin of a '69 442.  I've always assumed that it was
because of the word Old in the name and not because they were ashamed of
the cars:(

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:35:38 -0600
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1999 Oldsmobile Nationals

From my understanding, the meeting is held by the Oldsmobile Club of
America, correct?

  Now, my question is, if you must be a member to participate, must you
also be a member just to go and see what it is all about?

  Live in the area and would love to go but do not know what it is all
about or whether I must become a member first.

  Any answers?

Mark MacDonald
1975 Delta 88 Conv.
<http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:05:26 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: I'm going to throw this computer put the window.

HEY - if you end up losing it and toss it out the window be sure to take
pictures for us all, 'k?  Oh, and don't throw it in the direction of the
driveway:-)

Good luck & HO HO.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC 1/2 Ton

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:42:29 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 vs 073

Take any short stroke eng and put enough juice (turbo nos ect) and it will
run, for a while.  I work for a company that does just that custom turbos.
(www.maxrev.com) and most of our customers just keep turning up the boost
until something breaks.  If you took a low comp. olds motor and put a turbo
system on it and it would make more power than you could put to the ground
with out a good four link.  The trouble is the torque vs.. rpm thread.
Torque is measured and horsepower derived from a formula.  In a contest of
quickness lasting 1/4 mile one needs the perfect balance of both.  You need
torque to get moving and horsepower to have a good trap speed.  You can
cheat either way with gears.  If it was and exact science there would be
only one perfect combination for each class.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 7:26 AM
Subject: 455 vs 073


>Just seen a drag racing program on ESPN2 that featured 1/4 racing with
>IMPORTS!! I must say those things ripped 11 second to as quick as mid to
>high 9's in the 1/4 mile. All from a 4 cylinder motor. Of course it is
>either turbo-charged/super-charged or sprayed(NOS) or both. Either way I
>must say those things move quick for that little amount of motor they have.
>It seems it's becoming a popular sport with the imports.
>
>Imagine pulling up to a stop light with your 455 Olds and a Honda pulls
>along side of you. Your motor is loud and idle's rough, the import can't
>even be heard and is smooth, as if not running. The light turns green and
>the Honda rips you off the line with its front wheel drive and all you see
>is the Hondas taillights. Would be kinda embarrassing, wouldn't it? It can
>happen.
>
>I still love my Olds and don't ever plan on buying an import, but don't be
>supprised if your Olds gets beat by an import. Many aftermarket companies
>are making go-fast parts for those rice-burners. When being interviewed on
>ESPN2 the drag racers stated most of the time that the MOTORS ARE STOCK
>(stock crank, rods, pistons,etc.) except for the aftermarket
>turbo/super-charger. Those motors hold up the strain and can spin up to
>7000RPM!! Not bad, I must admit, for a factory motor.
>
>Just beware because you never know what the guy in the Mazda may have until
>it's too late. But I still LOVE MY ROCKET!! I would take a 455 anyday over
>a 100 C.I. motor....
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:02:21 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc

>I have a big inch diesel..


Ken,

    What is the top speed on one of those big, highway rigs if you know of
hand.  I have found myself traveling at night a few times over great
distances and always see tons of Semis on the road.  Countless times I
follow them at 80 MPH effortlessly (seem like this for them) and also at
their top speed, what is the braking capability (have been talgated a few
times by the big rigs, hate that feeling cause I am doing 20 over the limit
and they are still on my ass).

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:18:15 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc

I can put in 2 cents.
My Quadraplegic son Rog bought his first truck , it took all of his
settlement,  on sept 21.
The truck is a 94 Freightliner double bunk condo. 3406E Cat. 430 hp , 9 speed,
low profile tires, 3.91   40,000  Rockwell rears.  663,000 miles on the truck.
On the second run from michigan to texas,the driver ran with a 97 Ford
Windstar  all nite long   The  Liner  grossed out at 79,780 #.  The Cat tached
out at 2150 rpm. The windstar  said , well it will run 97 mph  there driver.
Last week Rog bought his 2nd rig.
This is a 95 Volvo, 3406E Cat  375 hp , 10 speed  , 3.91 gear,  630,000
miles.Now the computor has not been zapped  & it tachs out at 1700 rpm & 75
mph. I have my permit now & that is fast enough. It pulls good & that  one
extra gear out on a hill almost picks up the difference in hp. If the driver
complains tooo much , Rog can bump up the hp by putting on a larger torbo &
bump it to 410 hp according to Cat.
Hope this helped.
Roger Utter

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:21:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Kerry Kroger wrote:
> still looking for the peachstate crimson red model also a white with black
> stripes which would be like mine so they probably will never make that
> one.....KK also the silver with red is a toys R us exclusive...KK

I saw the Peachstate one here a while back... seemed to me all they did
was take one of the Ertl models, paint it a burgundy red, and jack the
price up by about 150%. I passed. I have the H/O and the gold one myself.
Sure wish they'd do a '68. BTW, I saw a couple of 1/43 diecasts on eBay,
'70 and '72 Pace Cars.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:23:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Cliff Simpson wrote:
> I didn't realize that 1968 was the first year of the Youngmobile
> campaign.  The 1969 ads also used this "name".

Actually I think they started using the slogan with the '67 models, but
really got into it with the '68s. Lots of very dated-looking ads with
models wearing late-60s psychedelic clothes... very cool nowadays.  

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:09:55 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question (was: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???)

> Trivia: How long has it
>been since Chrysler installed a Hemi engine in a production automobile?
>


The 426 was last used in '71 I think. I know the Dodge Colt had a 4-banger
with hemi heads, but I can't find the production dates on them.

drc

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:11:12 -0500
From: "George & Joan C. Lesperance" <gal1@MNSi.Net>
Subject: Holidays

To All Our Friends:
        We wish you and yours a Very Merry Christmas and All The Best in
the coming New Year.
                                                                Joan &
George Lesperance

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:20:30 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Re:torque vs hp, big inch diesel, amc

>
>    What is the top speed on one of those big, highway rigs ..

 They only have around 2000 rpm to work with, but with overdrive and 18
speed
transmissions you can get them moving, my rears are very steep
(5.18:1)350horse and I can still
get close to 75.  Imagine a truck with 3.73:1 and about 300 more horse. Your
looking at close
to 100mph.. As for stopping, they dont do it very well.  Especially if the
brakes aren't adjusted
weekly.  Most of the time if there were an emergency stop to be made, they
couldn't do it. So cut em
some slack and get outta their way!

olds content:  Remember, 80,000lbs=21 1970 442's..

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:34:08 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

I know, I know,  I'm a few days behind on this thread but, I've been
enjoying CHRISTmas with the family.

I did some math on this possibility a while back and came to a few
conclusions.
1.) Why build a stroked 350 or 403 when you could build a 455 for less money

    AND have a *butt-load* more HP and T.
2.) Where could you find a 425 crank for small money?
3.) Pistons have to be special made( BIG money) just for your engine.

Anyway here's the math...

Using a 403 block (Not the best for the purpose but, if you're gonna do it
get the biggest bore you can)

With a 350/403, the CL of stroke to the top of the piston has to remain
close to the same( an increase of piston height of 0.020" is about the max?)
This dimension is stroke + rod length + comp height.(Right?)
403 = 7.615"

Using a 403 with a 425 crank and 403 rods, the compression height has to
equal 1.025" ..

Using a 350 diesel rods, the comp. height = 1.139"

And using 350 chevy rods, the comp. height = 1.325"

Note for Mr. Brode.. I mean DAVE B.(sorry), are these possible with off the
shelf pistons? or even possible at all?     

I'm not sure how much  it would cost but, I'd guess more than building 2
455's.

That's my thoughts, what's yours?

Donny Arnold
w.d.arnold@lmco.com

72  Olds 442  
41 Chevy 
63 Chevy Truck

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:35:08 EST
From: Fireman431@aol.com
Subject: Wiper woes

	I have a 1966 Olds 442 convertible. It is far from stock with a 1971 
.30 455,
fully built, tunnel rammed, and backed by a Muncie M-21. It has been
completely rewired using a Painless Wiring universal 18 circuit kit.
Everything is great.....except.....the wiper motor has no harness between the
switch and the motor itself.

	I have a new 4 prong motor for a '66, and the switch. My question is: 
where
are the power leads run, the ground leads (I know that the unit is not
supposed to be grounded to the body), and which switch leg goes to which part
of the motor?

	Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

P.S. 476 H.P. at the rear wheels and 12.02 @ 118 MPH (3.90:1 rear)

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:50:12 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1999 Oldsmobile Nationals

The 1999 OCA Nats will be hosted by the North Texas chapter of the parent
club.  The dates are June 23 through June 26.  The event will be held in
Irving, Texas, between Dallas and Fort Worth.  You can contact the chapter
at P.O. box 38524, Dallas, Tx., 75238.  You do not have to be a member of
the OCA in order to attend, although membership would certainly put you in
touch with a great many like-minded souls, and the newsletter, Journey With
Olds, itself is worth the price of admission.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 1:34 AM
Subject: 1999 Oldsmobile Nationals


>From my understanding, the meeting is held by the Oldsmobile Club of
>America, correct?
>
>  Now, my question is, if you must be a member to participate, must you
>also be a member just to go and see what it is all about?
>
>  Live in the area and would love to go but do not know what it is all
>about or whether I must become a member first.
>
>  Any answers?
>
>Mark MacDonald
>1975 Delta 88 Conv.
><http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:46:39 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Junk Yard and stickers needed

Went yarding a little bit yesterday with a buddy of mine (his dad owns the
yard so parts are usually free) And my buddy's brother was there (avid Olds
collecter) and we got to talking. There is a new arival to the yard (1969
Vista Cruiser w/ running 455) I can get the motor for about 300 (maybe I'll
build that instead of the 307) also had a 79 H/O body (no frame or motor or
front) but the buckets, console, tack, his/hers shifter is still all there.
There was also a 74 442 parts car,a  71 ?  parts car......He is trying to sell
some other cars as well.  One is a 1986 442 with brand new paint, but he was
told that a sticker set would run 1000 dollars.  also that the stripes and
numbers were all sold seperately.  Seems to me that there should be a kit out
there somewhere right?  The stripes alone were 650..sheesh!  Once the car has
stickers and a few other little things finished he says it's got to go.  The
other three cutlass's in his garage (I haven't seen yet) might have to go too.

Please someone let me know if they have experience purchasing stripe/numbers
kits for a more reasonable price1

TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,  Nebraska
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:59:50 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Birthday Request(Non-Olds)

OOPS!!!!!!!!!!  Sorry about that, her name is Chelsea.  Thought I put it in
there when I typed the note, was in a hurry and didn't check it over.

Anyway, thanks for the notes.  They proved to her it wasn't so bad to be on
the computer for awhile.  OK, maybe for more than awhile sometimes.  Well,
maybe it's even longer than that...............................but she did say
I could stick around.......................

Thanks, and Take Care!

Ken & Chelsea Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
Ken: KS7RACING@aol.com
Chelsea: AK7DE3GB7@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:42:09 -0600
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: Junk Yard and stickers needed

Ryan,

>Please someone let me know if they have experience purchasing
stripe/numbers
>kits for a more reasonable price

Uh...hate to be the one to tell you (before Mike Rothe gets back), but you
can no longer get OEM or NOS stickers for any G-body 442. You can get most
of the stripes, if you want to pay, but all of the different color sets have
major parts missing...the black set is available except for the rear bumper
stripes and the left rear quarter.... not much use spending that kind of
money when you can't get everything you need. The numbers (442) are still
available for GM at reasonable prices $13 each for the front/rear and about
$34 each for the doors.

Also, Auto Decals Unlimited does make a repro kit. It's not quite original
as it doesn't have the body color between the gold stripes...it just comes
with the gold stripes themselves. But it also includes the 442 stickers, for
about $225 complete. I hear that the gold is just a tad too dark compared to
original stripes as well. Their phone # is 1-800-860-9860

Hope that helps. If your buddy can get NOS stripes (particularly left rear
quarter black), let *me* know. :-)

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
mtupper@palacenet.net     http://cyberglyphs.com/442/
Olds G-body Mailing List    http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/

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