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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, December 24 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1683



RE: 50 fastest US production cars
'66 Brakes
GJC
RE: '66 Brakes
Re: W-30 stripes
Re: '66 Brakes
RE: Torque Convertor Swap Backyard-Tech 
Re: '66 Brakes
New Muscle Car Review Mag
RE: '66 Brakes
Re: 50 fastest US production cars
Re: GJC
Re: '66 Brakes
(no subject)
Re: Torque Convertor Swap Backyard-Tech
(no subject)
RE: (no subject)
RE: 50 fastest US production cars
Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...
82 NOT starting
Re: Battery in rear wiring opinions needed.
Some tech for better viewing of pictures(more detail) on the web
Re: Some tech for better viewing of pictures(more detail) on the web
Re: 455 hot engine for sale fast
Re: 82 NOT starting
Re: 82 NOT starting
Re: Winter is here! SLAM!
FW: GM Trivia
Re: Happy Holidays, *Ugly* Olds I Saw, etc.
Re: G & A-Body Difference?
Re: W-30 stripes
Re: W-30 stripes
Re: FW: GM Trivia
Re: DeSoto thread, joke to you, not to a MoPar owner!!
Scanner for Olds Pics
Re: FW: GM Trivia
Re: 82 NOT starting
425 Crank Question
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...
Re: 82 NOT starting
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: 425 Crank Question
My cars TRACTION
Re: My cars TRACTION
Re: My cars TRACTION
468 Olds Hemi???
1967 Axle
UNBOUNCE: 1967 Axle
UNBOUNCE: "dirt-ball" spark tester
Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
Re: W-30 Stripe Location
Re: Scanner for Olds Pics
Re: Scanner for Olds Pics
RE:*Ugly* Olds I Saw, etc.
did someone say tanks ???
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: 455 hot engine for sale fast
Re: 425 Crank Question
timing chain (was: not starting)
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: timing chain (was: not starting)BEING NICE
Re: Scanner for Olds Pics
Re: 425 Crank Question
Re: Scanner for Olds Pics...not really Olds content<G>
Re: Scanner for Olds Pics...not really Olds content<G>
Re: Being Nice was: timing chain (was: not starting)
Re: UNBOUNCE: "dirt-ball" spark tester

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:12:46 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 50 fastest US production cars

> First of all, you CANNOT hold this list of 50 fastest cars as gospal. For
Ah-men!!!

> COPO NOVA!! There is a debate whether a VERY FEW '69 Novas sneaked out of
> the plant with 427 power. (I however doubt this. I believe ALL the
> Baldwins, Nickeys, and Yenkos were dealer transplated). There are however
> 2
> documented cases of 70 COPO Novas with the Corvette/Z28 only LT1 350/360
There was an article in MCR several issues back on the Yenkos and an
interview with Don himself.  He said the 427 was never made to his knowledge
because, and I paraphrase, they were skirting the limit of liability and
safety with it.

Bottom line, To each his own.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts cars
plus others

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:14:36 EST5EDT
From: "Chris Lillja" <Chris_Lillja@pupress.princeton.edu>
Subject: '66 Brakes

Hi guys. I'm looking at a '66 Cutlass that's pretty nice and original. It has 
power drums 
on it right now. Since this is going to be a family car I'd like to convert to 
discs. 
I've read the the INCREDIBLE Olds FAQ on the topic and I'm still justa little 
confused -- 
I think it's just TOO much information - and I think the stock A body discs 
will be just 
fine for a stock small block - no need for the 12" conversion....

Here's the question: will a complete power disc brake set up from a '69-'72 
A-body bolt 
on to '66? I guess I  would get complete spindles, knuckles, everything 
between the ball 
joints -- and try to get everything else brand new.

Using the most NEW parts available, can anyone help me work up a parts list 
for the 
junkyard and the parts store? I guess I'd only reuse the booster and some of 
the 
hardlines, if that were possible. I'd use new rotors, calipers, hoses, M/C... 
Will l need 
later SSII or III wheels to clear the calipers? Ball joints OK? 

I've picked up some great information from the FAQ like the fact that the pipe 
fittings 
won't be correct for the disc M/C... I'll try to get a used fittings with a 
junkyard 
disc M/C...

Joe P.?, anybody?

Thank-you folks!


Chris Lillja

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:25:41 -0500
From: "CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: GJC

Cool;

Was just paruzin the web and hit the "MY CLASSIC CAR" site. There touting
their new 99 season. Our beloved 442 makes an appearance:

<Snip>
Episode #996105 - Premiere Weekend: January 30-31, 1999
Other air dates: May 1-2, July 31-Aug. 1, Oct. 30-31

Meadow Brook Concours in Rochester, MI
Oldsmobile 442
Restoration Tip: Fixing paint chips


Just thought you might want to bookmark your TV Guides that week and see if
they do it any justice.

Have a Happy and Safe Holiday Season!
- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
mailto:gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Send Project Questions To:
mailto:info@CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit < G.J.C > at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/win95board/multipage1.html
mailto:techsupport@salemcounty.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:33:32 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: '66 Brakes

> Here's the question: will a complete power disc brake set up from a
> '69-'72 A-body bolt 
> on to '66? I guess I  would get complete spindles, knuckles, everything
> between the ball 
> joints -- and try to get everything else brand new.
All right, I'm gonna be doing, eventually, the same thing with my 66 goat,
which is identical.  What your need is everything between the ball joints
like you said, along with disc brake hoses, disc brake frame brackets
(brackets where the hose meet the metal brake line), proportioning
valve/combination valve,  corresponding disc brake lines that run from
master cylinder to the valve, disc brake master cylinder, metal front disc
brake lines.  Note some of the items can be used/reused/rebuilt/etc like the
current drum brake metal lines and if the fittings are a different size, you
can get a new fitting from an auto parts store and just flare on the new
fitting, although most times when removing the current fittings they are
rusted and you eventually snap the fitting off the hard metal line anyway.

> Using the most NEW parts available, can anyone help me work up a parts
> list for the 
> junkyard and the parts store? I guess I'd only reuse the booster and some
> of the 
> hardlines, if that were possible. I'd use new rotors, calipers, hoses,
> M/C... Will l need 
> later SSII or III wheels to clear the calipers? Ball joints OK? 
Yes you will need SSII/III wheels as the 66 SSI will not clear the calipers,
although there are some disc brake SSI from the early 70s that are disc
brake compatible, but they are hard to find.

Does that about cover it?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:46:04 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-30 stripes

I like the way it looks, I just wish it was in the correct location. Well I
guess nothing can be perfect. It looks great, just a little off on the
stripe. 
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Semantana Chris (ONEX) <SemantanaC@tce.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: W-30 stripes
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 9:05 AM
> 
> 
> > It seems as the guy who painted my 72 442 put the W-30 stripes that run
> > along the body a little too low below the 4-4-2 on the fender. What I
> > could
> > tell from pictures I have seen the W-30 stripe is about 1" below the
4-4-2
> > on the fender. My stripes seem to be below it aboput 1 1/2" - 2" below
it.
> > My question is whether this will be criticized at car shows. My car IS
NOT
> > a W-30 but I put the stripe on it because I liked the way it looked.
The
> > car/bodywork is great. The car shines like a new car and is straight as
an
> > arrow but this is the only drawback. Any comments??
> > 
> My guess is unless it's next to another car with the stripe, many people
> probably wouldn't even notice.  Just a thought, but are your front
fenders
> real 4-4-2 fenders?  Reason I ask, is if you used Cutlass fenders, and
> welded the emblem holes shut and drilled new holes for the numerals,
maybe
> the numerals are in the wrong spot.  So the stripe could be in the
correct
> spot but the numerals are too high.  Like I said just a thought.  But the
> important thing is, as was pointed out, do you like it?
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:36:41 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66 Brakes

Chris-
Have done this conversion to 3 '66-7 cars in the last year. The only problem
you will have is that the later, larger '68-'72 brake booster will not work in
this body. It will hit the valve cover--at least on the big block. You will be
best to rebuild your original small diameter booster and use it with a later
master cylinder. Rest is a snap.

Peter
coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 98 15:19:10    
From: cthomas <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: RE: Torque Convertor Swap Backyard-Tech 

Did Oldsmobile ever make a 468 big block while searching thru the local scrap 
yard I came across an old malibu buried in the lot the valve covers say 
oldsmobile and the hood is cut away for what looks like a blower used to be 
there The owner of the yard said the car has been there since about 1987 and 
there's also if you look REAL carefully the words 468 Hemi airbrushed on the 
hood
The rest of the car is all rotted out but it does have an aftermarket pistol 
grip shifter that I thought was pretty cool I can buy the whole car for 
$500.00 I thought that I would pull the engine transmission and rearend and 
anything else salvageable and junk the rest.I would like to know What it is 
and is it worth $500

Sincerely 
Chad Thomas
My Garage
1985 Cutlass Iroc-SS
1985 Cutlass Supreme
1964 Jetstar

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:52:25 EST
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66 Brakes

In a message dated 98-12-23 15:34:37 EST, you write:

<< Yes you will need SSII/III wheels as the 66 SSI will not clear the
calipers,
 although there are some disc brake SSI from the early 70s that are disc
 brake compatible, but they are hard to find. >>

you could always buy a set of repro 14x7 SSl wheels from stockton or some
place. they clear the discs just fine and is another alternative to
SSll/SSlll's. my .02

Brent 
1967 Cutlass Convertible (still not done yet and p*ssing the hell out of me)

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:57:11 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: New Muscle Car Review Mag

Hey guys.  I just got the new Muscle Car Review today and there is a fold out
poster of a 72 Hurst Olds Convertible with Linda Vaughn.  Anyway in their post
exchange (where the readers write in questions) they have been debating
whether there was ever a W-31 Rallye 350.  They seem to think there was about
12.  Does anybody on the list know?  Merry Christmas.

Steve 
CutW29@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:20:56 EST5EDT
From: "Chris Lillja" <Chris_Lillja@pupress.princeton.edu>
Subject: RE: '66 Brakes

Thanks, Chris!
Chris Lillja

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:24:59 -0500
From: "Red" <Olds442@webmail.bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 50 fastest US production cars

Hey folks,
I agree with Ed here adn say enough about this '50 fastest' claim by some of 
the obviously chevy biased magazines.  I'm sure the original poster of this 
was just passing along some info that he found and didn't compile it himself. 
 Yes, there are many cars missing from the listing that I *know* should be 
there. But, whoever along the way decided the definition for 'production car' 
kinda screwed up (in my opinion).

We all here on the list know that we(meaning Olds) have never (and probably 
will never) get a fair shake with these magazine editors.


Well, anyway have a great CHRISTmas and see some of you next week.

Red



At Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:56:56 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Alright, I've had enough.
>First of all, you CANNOT hold this list of 50 fastest cars as gospal. For
>one thing, There are alot of FACTORY BUILT (read:produced on the assembly
>line, NOT dealer preped) cars that were produced albiet in small numbers,
>that would eclipse the Viper (which was listed as #1). But you say their
>wasn't very many made so you can't include those as "production" cars. I
>say bullsh*t.






Red                 
Olds442@webmail.bellsouth.net

1972 Olds 442 
(more fun than ANY man should be allowed to have!!) 
Almost seems illegal..

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:32:31 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: GJC

In a message dated 12/23/1998 3:27:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Was just paruzin the web and hit the "MY CLASSIC CAR" site. There touting
 their new 99 season. Our beloved 442 makes an appearance:
 
 <Snip>
 Episode #996105 - Premiere Weekend: January 30-31, 1999
 Other air dates: May 1-2, July 31-Aug. 1, Oct. 30-31
 
 Something else all of you may like to know. 

I think the American Muscle Car show on Speedvision will be showing their 442
episode on Thursday night Dec 24 @ 8:00pm.

Last week was the GTO episode and the 442 is usually the next one.

Happy Holidays to all.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:57:49 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: '66 Brakes

Hi folks... For what's worth, I did a disc brake conversion to my '72 Supreme
using Mondello's mini-booster/master combo.  Let me know if you have questions.
It wasn't an easy bolt up proposition, but the results are great.  Roger:)

Semantana Chris (ONEX) wrote:

> > Here's the question: will a complete power disc brake set up from a
> > '69-'72 A-body bolt
> > on to '66? I guess I  would get complete spindles, knuckles, everything
> > between the ball
> > joints -- and try to get everything else brand new.
> All right, I'm gonna be doing, eventually, the same thing with my 66 goat,
> which is identical.  What your need is everything between the ball joints
> like you said, along with disc brake hoses, disc brake frame brackets
> (brackets where the hose meet the metal brake line), proportioning
> valve/combination valve,  corresponding disc brake lines that run from
> master cylinder to the valve, disc brake master cylinder, metal front disc
> brake lines.  Note some of the items can be used/reused/rebuilt/etc like the
> current drum brake metal lines and if the fittings are a different size, you
> can get a new fitting from an auto parts store and just flare on the new
> fitting, although most times when removing the current fittings they are
> rusted and you eventually snap the fitting off the hard metal line anyway.
>
> > Using the most NEW parts available, can anyone help me work up a parts
> > list for the
> > junkyard and the parts store? I guess I'd only reuse the booster and some
> > of the
> > hardlines, if that were possible. I'd use new rotors, calipers, hoses,
> > M/C... Will l need
> > later SSII or III wheels to clear the calipers? Ball joints OK?
> Yes you will need SSII/III wheels as the 66 SSI will not clear the calipers,
> although there are some disc brake SSI from the early 70s that are disc
> brake compatible, but they are hard to find.
>
> Does that about cover it?
>
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris
>
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:35:33 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:55:56 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Torque Convertor Swap Backyard-Tech

In a message dated 12/23/98 12:00:33 AM Central Standard Time,
buehner@lyrea.com writes:

<< I've heard it rumored that some folks will take a convertor out of a
4banger
 (like a citation, etc,) or wimpy 6, and use it in their V8's TH350.  The
smaller
 (weaker) engines use a smaller diameter convertor, which results in a higher
 stall speed.  I've never done this, nor have I compared the TH350's T/C to
any
 other styles, so I don't know if it's even conceivable.  Does anyone have any
 insights on this?  Will it work, what tranny's might swap, etc...
  >>


   I had a 427 Camaro W/ TH350...I had a 10" Vega convertor. It is a real
budget manuver. I had good luck with it though. It is still better to buy a
"real" convertor with a more predictable stall speed.

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:04:24 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

 

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:21:32 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: (no subject)

yep...

> -----Original Message-----

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:57:03 -0500
From: Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca
Subject: RE: 50 fastest US production cars

Words of wisdom....? Not sure how this applies to knowledge of
oldsmobiles....?


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	KarlAune@aol.com [SMTP:KarlAune@aol.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:20 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: 50 fastest US production cars
> 
> My Thanks to W.D. Arnold, whose info Karl will now butcher!
> 
	>..snipped...>
>  
>  How does your car fair?  >>
> 
> My 425?
> I get reliability, plus I AM faster than half of the pukes tha misuse the
> above engines!
> Overall?
> They suffer.

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:09:59 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...

>> Also...I am under the impression that there were only two body styles
>> available: the 2-door and the 4-door.  Were there any additional body
>> styles (akin to the three different hardtop types of '70 - '72 A-bodies)?
>> I guess "no", but if I was totally sure I wouldn't be asking...
>
>Brian,


2 door, 4 door and a couple options for masts and sails I think.

According to the '85 Fisher body manual:

Delta 88 Royale, Series 3BN, was available as style 37 (2-Door Coupe -
Notchback) and style 69 (4-Door Sedan - 4 Window Notchback)

Delta 88 Royale Brougham, Series 3BY, same 2 styles as above.

Delta 88 Royale Brougham LS, Series 3BV, Style 69 only.

drc

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:27:20 -0500
From: "Bill B." <Pianotuner@fastservice.com>
Subject: 82 NOT starting

It's cold here in Speedway Indiana.  Last night it was 5 degrees, and
today my 16-year-old could not start my 82 Delta 88 V6.  I am usually
good at getting cars started, but this is perplexing.  I can see gas
squirt into the carb from the accelerator pump, and I smell gas after a
starting attempt. I hope that rules out gas line freeze. I hooked a neon
test light to a spark plug wire and can see that I have some degree of
spark, but not a hint of a firing cylinder. I fear a timing chain jump.
Does anyone have a suggestion for determining if the chain has jumped
short of pulling the distributor cap and the number one plug?  

Bill Bussell

88 Calais
87 Custom Cruiser
82 Delta 88

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:36:27 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Battery in rear wiring opinions needed.

>Considering my high amp need Thomas Martin suggested I follow his solution
>by getting a CS 144 and mounting the battery in the rear.


Umm...'cuz the battery too big for the front? Obviously better to be close
to the starter and alternator.....I guess I missed that part. Anyway..

>I'm considering two choices.  Each involves running a 1/0 fine strand cable
>from Battery Positive in the trunk to the Starter Positive.  The wire would
>go through the trunk (nicely tucked into a big fat grommet) and then tucked
>up along the frame rail on the driver's side until it comes up to the
>starter.  NOTE: an audio amplifier which will draw a peak of about 50-60
>amps will be wired directly to the battery and switched On & OFF by the
>radio remote relay.


I guess from this that the stereo will be run at those levels without the
engine running? Once the engine is running, the alternator supplies power,
not the battery.

>
>Solution #1
>
>Use a solenoid next to the battery (activated by key on "START") to supply
>the current to the Starter.  This wire would only be "HOT" when starting.
>All other power for the car would be supplied by a heavy gauge wire that
>comes from the battery up along the driver's side of the tunnel ("hump")
>underneath the carpet.  This would go to a junction block on the firewall.


And from there to the alternator, right? (No need for a separate alt wire
all the way back to the battery). This wire needs to be big enough to carry
Alternator current to charge the battery, and run the power amp when engine
is running.

>Solution #2
>
>The 1/0 wire would always be "HOT".  I would run a heavy gauge wire from
>the Starter to the Firewall Junction Block.  The Alternator Battery wire
>would also go to the Firewall Junction Block.  This would mean the current
>distribution for the Battery, Audio Amplifier or other Power Needs would
>happen at the Firewall.
>

#2 would be my choice. The 1/0 would serve as the alternator - to - battery
cable. If the power amp is in the trunk, you could also run a heavy wire
direct from the battery (gotta get battery connectors big enough to
accommodate both cables). You'll have the minimum voltage loss from
alternator to battery this way.

Just make sure you use Neoprene welding cable or something really rugged for
that 1/0, and hold it up with screw-in cable clamps, not tie-wraps. Don't
forget you also gotta run a similar sized cable from battery negative back
to the engine block for ground.

drc

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:40:35 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Some tech for better viewing of pictures(more detail) on the web

Hey Guys, make sure your computer is set up right to view better pictures(not
many people know about this so I have found out)Auto webpages will be awesome!

 1. Sign on to AOL
          2. Go to top of screen and click on "My AOL"
          3. Click on "Preferences"
          4. Click on www
          5. Go down to "Temporary Internet Files",Click on Delete
          6. Check off "delete all subscription content", then click OK (will
clear passed internet files)
         6a. Go back to page before 
          7.  Then click on "web graphics"
          8.  Take check mark out of "use compressed grapics"
          9.  Click on "Apply" at bottom
         10. Then click on "OK"
              AND THATS IT!!!!  WILL LOAD SLOW FOR FIRST DOWNLOAD OF WEBPAGE,
BUT WORTH IT AND WHEN YOU GO TO THAT PAGE LATER IT WILL DOWNLOAD FASTER.   (IF
IT DOESNT WORK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER WITH NEW SETTINGS, BUT
IT SHOULD WORK WITHOUT DOING THAT...........HARRY

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:51:05 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some tech for better viewing of pictures(more detail) on the web

also works on 3.0 AOL too!!! and probably on other systems as well if your
pics are not clear. I did spell graphics wrong,typo.sorry. Have a Merry
Christmas..Harry....73 Cutlass S 455/4spd.  8,925 orig. miles

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:55:29 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 hot engine for sale fast

Chris  I'm not going to be able to get the motor. :-(   I have been told I
have to finish my wife's car first. :-)  Sorry, good luck stay in touch.

Larry Pegg

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:06:37 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 82 NOT starting

In a message dated 12/23/98 4:28:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Pianotuner@fastservice.com writes:

<< It's cold here in Speedway Indiana.  Last night it was 5 degrees, and
 today my 16-year-old could not start my 82 Delta 88 V6.  I am usually
 good at getting cars started, but this is perplexing.  I can see gas
 squirt into the carb from the accelerator pump, and I smell gas after a
 starting attempt. I hope that rules out gas line freeze. I hooked a neon
 test light to a spark plug wire and can see that I have some degree of
 spark, but not a hint of a firing cylinder. I fear a timing chain jump.
 Does anyone have a suggestion for determining if the chain has jumped
 short of pulling the distributor cap and the number one plug?  
 
 Bill Bussell >>

     Bill, probably something simpler than a jumped timing chain...but if it
WAS, you can usually turn the distributor and get it to fire. Had a motor with
a BAD timing gear/chain set, and after it was "running" : )  for a bit, it
would die, and you would have to move the distributor. You wouldn't think a
timing chain would suddenly "jump" just one tooth, but someone on here has
probably had it happen.  What about the choke? Dorian

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:52:28 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: Re: 82 NOT starting

I've had a chain jump, it was a no go situation. If I were you I would
look at either the fuel pump or the module inside the distributor cap
first. Hope this helps.

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:06:37 EST DYeager535@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 12/23/98 4:28:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>Pianotuner@fastservice.com writes:
>
><< It's cold here in Speedway Indiana.  Last night it was 5 degrees, 
>and
> today my 16-year-old could not start my 82 Delta 88 V6.  I am usually
> good at getting cars started, but this is perplexing.  I can see gas
> squirt into the carb from the accelerator pump, and I smell gas after 
>a
> starting attempt. I hope that rules out gas line freeze. I hooked a 
>neon
> test light to a spark plug wire and can see that I have some degree 
>of
> spark, but not a hint of a firing cylinder. I fear a timing chain 
>jump.
> Does anyone have a suggestion for determining if the chain has jumped
> short of pulling the distributor cap and the number one plug?  
> 
> Bill Bussell >>
>
>     Bill, probably something simpler than a jumped timing chain...but 
>if it
>WAS, you can usually turn the distributor and get it to fire. Had a 
>motor with
>a BAD timing gear/chain set, and after it was "running" : )  for a 
>bit, it
>would die, and you would have to move the distributor. You wouldn't 
>think a
>timing chain would suddenly "jump" just one tooth, but someone on here 
>has
>probably had it happen.  What about the choke? Dorian
>

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:05:50 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@intrlink.com>
Subject: Re: Winter is here! SLAM!

jason shreve wrote:
> 
> The same here.  The storm that hit Dallas is hit Nashville as I type.
> Better get the Oldsmobiles in the garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's icing SW Virginia up real good right now too.  Wish I had a
garage for my oldsmobiles.  Heh, I'd be happy with a 3-car shed. :)  I
had last-minuit shopping to do and was driving my VC in that stuff
today. :(  The road was still warm enough that I didn't encounter much
slippy-slide but VDOT likes salt on everything. And of course I never
got around to replacing that port side mudflap I somehow managed to
throw a few months ago.  With one missing you can really tell just how
much muck they keep off the car.   

Al 4400 lb Vista Cruiser with snow tires gets pretty decent traction. 
If they weren't Oldsmobiles they'd be great snow cars. :)  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser 
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass calais

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:17:34 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: FW: GM Trivia

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe_Costanzo@hill-rom.com [mailto:Joe_Costanzo@hill-rom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 15:06 Costanzo
To: costanzo@netcarrier.com
Subject: GM Trivia


Ray Man,

From an engineering text of mine:  (credit upon demand - I am bad.)

     In about 1930 the Chrysler Corporation began experimentation with
fluid couplings and purchased patent rights from Harold Sinclair.  This led
to the introduction of "Fluid Drive" on the Chrysler Custom Imperial in
1939 [cool!].  Also in the early 1930s, the American Blower Company [uh huh
huh huh] developed and manufactured hydrodynamic drives for use with
induced-draft fans.  In the meantime, General Motors introduced a
four-speed semiautomatic transmission on the 1937 Oldsmobile but dropped it
in 1939.  This transmission was modified and integrated with a fluid
coupling to become the original "Hydra-Matic Drive," introduced on the 1940
Oldsmobile

Pretty cool, huh?

     Source:  "Fundamentals of Machine Component Design," Second Edition,
by Robert C. Juvinall & Kurt M. Marshek, printed by Wiley.  (Have ANY
recollection about how to do a bibliography entry!)
     (Had to put it in - I'm a stroke.)

dabsi dog

     Womb

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:33:11 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays, *Ugly* Olds I Saw, etc.

In a message dated 12/23/1998 10:12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tchurchill@draper.com writes:

<< Horrified, I realized I was looking at a new Cutlass.  Even worse,
stenciled
 (or rather, decaled) on the front fender, below the A-pillar, it proudly
 noted that this was the "Cape Cod Edition". >>


The good news would be that the fake conv top isn't a Olds option!

Bill K

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:36:47 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: G & A-Body Difference?

In a message dated 12/23/1998 1:17:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@orbital.com writes:

<< I always thought it was peculiar, given GM's penchant for making parts as
 common as possible, that they created a brand new 115" wb frame for the
 MC/GP rather than use the existing 116" wagon/four door frame.  Go figure. >>


Actually, I always heard it was a 4 door frame.......


Wierd!
Bill K

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:36:52 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: W-30 stripes

Onebil2mny@aol.com wrote:

> Do you like them??   If so, who cares what the "experts" might think!
>
> Bill (an "ex" is a has been and a "spert" is a drip.  An expert must be a 
"has
> been drip" K

No... 'X' is the unknown quantity, and a 'spurt'  is just a drip under 
pressure.
or.. any body more than 50 miles from home.

Brian Kerr

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:41:56 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-30 stripes

In a message dated 12/23/1998 11:40:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bkerr@golden.net writes:

<< 'X' is the unknown quantity, and a 'spurt'  is just a drip under pressure.
 or.. any body more than 50 miles from home. >>


Ok, it could be that too....

Bill (doesn't have any stripes on his 442) K

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:45:21 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: GM Trivia

In a message dated 12/23/98 8:17:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:

<< This transmission was modified and integrated with a fluid
 coupling to become the original "Hydra-Matic Drive," introduced on the 1940
 Oldsmobile
 
 Pretty cool, huh? >>

     GM later put the Hydra-matics to use in WW2 in tanks..believe it was the
M-4 Sherman..2 cadi motors and two transmissions (one per track)...maybe the
trans were Oldsmobile (bet they were heavy duty!)   : )  Dorian

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:53:01 EST
From: Moparrp@aol.com
Subject: Re: DeSoto thread, joke to you, not to a MoPar owner!!

i am a mopar owner, along with a 66 cutlass 2dr hdtp, and a 68 camaro.. my
mopar? 67 FURYIII 4 dr. thanks for the time to educate your friends.

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:21:06 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Scanner for Olds Pics

I was looking for a good but not too $$$ of a scanner to scan some of my
Olds pics to my soon to be web-site. Anyone out there with some experience
in this field you can e-mail me....

OLDS CONTENT:OLDS PICS NEED TO BE SCANNED

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:22:14 -0500
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: FW: GM Trivia

The tanks that used the Hydra-Matic and twin Cadillac flat heads were
the M-5 Stuart and M-24 Chafee, not the M-4 Sherman.
Regards,
Fred

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 12/23/98 8:17:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:
> 
> << This transmission was modified and integrated with a fluid
>  coupling to become the original "Hydra-Matic Drive," introduced on the 1940
>  Oldsmobile
> 
>  Pretty cool, huh? >>
> 
>      GM later put the Hydra-matics to use in WW2 in tanks..believe it was the
> M-4 Sherman..2 cadi motors and two transmissions (one per track)...maybe the
> trans were Oldsmobile (bet they were heavy duty!)   : )  Dorian

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:46:58 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 82 NOT starting

Igor would tell you to pull the motor and drop a 455 in it.

At 06:27 PM 12/23/98 , you wrote:
>It's cold here in Speedway Indiana.  Last night it was 5 degrees, and
>today my 16-year-old could not start my 82 Delta 88 V6.  I am usually
>good at getting cars started, but this is perplexing.  I can see gas
>squirt into the carb from the accelerator pump, and I smell gas after a
>starting attempt. I hope that rules out gas line freeze. I hooked a neon
>test light to a spark plug wire and can see that I have some degree of
>spark, but not a hint of a firing cylinder. I fear a timing chain jump.
>Does anyone have a suggestion for determining if the chain has jumped
>short of pulling the distributor cap and the number one plug?  
>
>Bill Bussell
>
>88 Calais
>87 Custom Cruiser
>82 Delta 88
> 
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:49:42 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: 425 Crank Question

I was thinking......   Anyone ever hear of using a 425 crank in a small block?
I know you can't use a big block crank because the stroke is so long, but how
about the 3.98 425 crank?  a 403 with a 425 crank (4.35X3.98) would be a 473!
Could it be done??

Bill (dreaming again!) K

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:45:06 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

I do believe the journals are too big....3" to SB 2.5"

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Onebil2mny@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I was thinking......   Anyone ever hear of using a 425 crank in a small 
block?
> I know you can't use a big block crank because the stroke is so long, but how
> about the 3.98 425 crank?  a 403 with a 425 crank (4.35X3.98) would be a 473!
> Could it be done??
> 
> Bill (dreaming again!) K
.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:19:58 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...

>>Brian,
>
>
>2 door, 4 door and a couple options for masts and sails I think.
>

Sails are...?

Masts are?

(I think I know what you're talking about, but I would like to hear you say
it...)

>According to the '85 Fisher body manual:
>
>Delta 88 Royale, Series 3BN, was available as style 37 (2-Door Coupe -
>Notchback) and style 69 (4-Door Sedan - 4 Window Notchback)
>
>Delta 88 Royale Brougham, Series 3BY, same 2 styles as above.
>
>Delta 88 Royale Brougham LS, Series 3BV, Style 69 only.
>
>drc
> 

The reaon why I ask, you see, is that I once looked up the VIN on my Dad's
old Delta (my first car, it's gone now, don't get me started) via a website
(it was, granted, primarily concerned with Camaros) that gave the body code
(37, I believe) as a "2 Door Sport Coupe", whereas there were other plain
"2 Door Coupes".

I am just trying to be sure that my father didn't actually buy some kind of
rare "sport" option which I then proceeded to sell for beans (after a
severe vandalization, but still)...
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:02:06 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 82 NOT starting

>Igor would tell you to pull the motor and drop a 455 in it.


YES, DAMN IT.  I think that someone at GM must have been drunk when they
approved a V6 in a big car like that.  I actually was thinking to suggest
this but I guess Brian beat me to it....HA HA

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:12:13 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@intrlink.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

Onebil2mny@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I was thinking......   Anyone ever hear of using a 425 crank in a small 
block?

It can only go in the diesel 350 small block.  The diesels have big
block sized main journals but the crank still needs machined for some
sort of clearance.  I'm not sure exactly what has to be done though. 
With some buick rods, custom pistons and other mods you're supposed to
be able to get something like 460 cubic inches out of one.  I hear it's
a very expensive project, too.
 
> I know you can't use a big block crank because the stroke is so long, but how
> about the 3.98 425 crank?  a 403 with a 425 crank (4.35X3.98) would be a 473!
> Could it be done??

Sorry, not in a 403....bearing journals are smaller than a BB.  Even if
it would fit, most of the 403s have webbed mains and are relatively
weak.  Not a good choice for such a wild engine.  Not that the 403 isn't
a good engine, it just wouldn't handle the power from 473 cubic inches.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:08:56 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

>I was thinking......   Anyone ever hear of using a 425 crank in a small
block?
>I know you can't use a big block crank because the stroke is so long, but
how
>about the 3.98 425 crank?  a 403 with a 425 crank (4.35X3.98) would be a
473!
>Could it be done??


I think that the 425 crank CAN be used in Diesel 350 blocks.   From what I
know the 350 diesel blocks had 3" mains and this allows a .030 over ex.
Diesel 350 to yield approx. 418 CID.  I think that a Diesel block is the
only one that can take a BB crank (425 crank).  I think that 455 crank may
be usable in the same block giving near 440 CID (I am not sure though).  I
believe reading in some magazine (either Car Craft of Hot Rod) that someone
put a 425 crank in a 350 Diesel block and used some Chevy pistons to get
(and you guessed it) 442 CID engine to drop into his 442.  Cool.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:19:08 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: My cars TRACTION

Okay so it is no secret that my car can't hook.  I just encountered a funny
thing, though.  I noticed that my car was quite a bit slower (feeling) when
I left the shifter in D as opposed to manually shifting it.  It seamed to me
that it took a lot longer to get to 4000 RPM then when I do it manually.
Today, I finally figured it out (and no, I am not stupid).  The car shifts
in 2nd right after launch (after it destroys the tires) and then uses 2nd.
gear to accelerate.  I noticed that in first at WOT launch, tach goes to
4000 RPM and stays there and I have to manually shift ASAP after hook up
(2days, 5hours, 15minutes,.... later).  I am barley moving when I shift.
What can I do to get the trans to stay in first at WOT when shifter is in D.
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 04:02:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: My cars TRACTION

In a message dated 12/24/98 12:21:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
igor455@home.com writes:

<< (2days, 5hours, 15minutes,.... later).  I am barley moving when I shift.
 What can I do to get the trans to stay in first at WOT when shifter is in D.
 Thanks.
 
 Igor Todorovic
 1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s) >>

     Adjustable modulators are good for about 2-5 mph shift
adjustments...yours may be adjustable..pull the hose off, look in the
fitting..if it there is a slotted screw in there, it's adjustable...5 mph is
not a big difference though. Perhaps in "D", the trans has more internals
moving than when it is in manual first? I know the OD trans are when the
shifter is in OD, but the trans is physically in 3rd. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:15:59 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: My cars TRACTION

>     Adjustable modulators are good for about 2-5 mph shift
>adjustments...

I did put a brand new adjustable modulator when I dropped the trans in my
'81.  It is set on highest it will go.  It shifts higher then before but no
help.  There is just no traction.  Igor.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:31:13 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 468 Olds Hemi???

> Did Oldsmobile ever make a 468 big block while searching thru the local 
scrap yard I came across an old malibu buried in the lot the valve covers say 
oldsmobile and the hood is cut away for what looks like a blower used to be 
there The owner of the yard said the car has been there since about 1987 and 
there's also if you look REAL carefully the words 468 Hemi airbrushed on the 
hood

Sounds a bit fishy.  I think a bored-over 455 will yield around 469 or so.  The
~hemi~ part?  Think that's more of a dreamer-emblem than anything.  Hard to say
about the blower.  IF the intake's still there, it was probably just a big fake
hood scoop or something.  But you never know.  Definately one of a kind,
though.  :)

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:03:46 -0700
From: coleboys@fbo.com
Subject: 1967 Axle

My mechanic says it cannot be fixed...we cannot locate a replacement
axle...so not i would like to find a differential (preferably posi) for
my car...please help me!I have a 1967 442 TH-400

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:42:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1967 Axle

Not on the list; respond to coleboys@fbo.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	coleboys@fbo.com
Subject: 1967 Axle

My mechanic says it cannot be fixed...we cannot locate a replacement
axle...so not i would like to find a differential (preferably posi) for
my car...please help me!I have a 1967 442 TH-400

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:43:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: "dirt-ball" spark tester

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Bill B." <Pianotuner@fastservice.com>
Subject: "dirt-ball" spark tester

My disabled 82 sitting out on the curb may have a chain problem, but I
am really hoping for a low spark possibility.  I used a 110 to 250V neon
test light with one side clipped to a distributor plug output to check
for evidence of spark voltage.  It did light up to tell me that
something was happening, but I don't know if there is enough spark. 
Anyone have an idea for a "dirt-ball" spark tester that would reliably
measure the output?

Bill Bussell

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:56:02 -0800 (PST)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???

- ---Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com> wrote:
>
> Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
> 
> > Did Oldsmobile ever make a 468 big block while searching thru the
local scrap yard I came across an old malibu buried in the lot the
valve covers say oldsmobile and the hood is cut away for what looks
like a blower used to be there The owner of the yard said the car has
been there since about 1987 and there's also if you look REAL
carefully the words 468 Hemi airbrushed on the hood
> 
> Sounds a bit fishy.  I think a bored-over 455 will yield around 469
or so.  The
> ~hemi~ part?  Think that's more of a dreamer-emblem than anything. 

- ------uh....not totally.....I remember back in the 80's (?), in one of
the 3 mags (HR,PHR,CC) seeing anatricle about this....if memory serves
right, was just some kind of re-worked heads.....I'll try to dig it
out(I ~NEVER~ throw them away), but again, it wasn't factory, and not
sure, but I do remember reading about them.
                 
Q for you all......when you hit 32, does that mean you're "over the
hill"?:)

        Later,
==
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  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442 
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:15:53 EST
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-30 Stripe Location

I can send you the W-30 stripes info when I send the interior photos.  Will
get them out in 1-2 days David

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:38:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Scanner for Olds Pics

Mail them to me and I'll scan them with my hand held scanner for free. Not
the best quality, I suppose, but then what do you expect for free.

Olds only please. Pretty women o.k. too.

C. Casteel
P.O. Box 3538
Clarksville, TN  37043

Be sure to include an e-mail address so I can e-mail them to you.

IF YOU WANT THE PICTURES BACK, enclose a self adddress stamped envelope.

Take care and Merry Christmas.

At 11:21 PM 12/23/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I was looking for a good but not too $$$ of a scanner to scan some of my
>Olds pics to my soon to be web-site. Anyone out there with some experience
>in this field you can e-mail me....
>
>OLDS CONTENT:OLDS PICS NEED TO BE SCANNED
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:10:29 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scanner for Olds Pics

In a message dated 12/23/98
 11:<BR12:<BR56 PM Central Standard T, PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:> I was
looking for a good but not too $$$ of a scanner to scan some of my
>  Olds pics to my soon to be web-site. Anyone out there with some experience
>  in this field you can e-mail me....

I bought the cheapest one I could find that would do (I've forgotten how many
bit) color. Is is a Mustek 600 III EP Plus. Maybe $80 6-8 months ago. There
are about 6 of these in my ceircle of friends. All have performed flawlessly,
but the software that comes with itis a little weak. Commercial packages would
improve functionality a lot, but at a cost of far more than the scanner.

Works well enough for the price. I've seen these for $50 or so lately.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:17:50 -0500
From: "CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE:*Ugly* Olds I Saw, etc.

<Double-Snip>
<< Horrified, I realized I was looking at a new Cutlass.  Even worse,
stenciled
 (or rather, decaled) on the front fender, below the A-pillar, it proudly
 noted that this was the "Cape Cod Edition". >>

<<The good news would be that the fake conv top isn't a Olds option!

Bill K >>

Wait a minute! If not an Olds option than are you suggesting this "Cutlass"
unit touched another GM division plant for it's adornment? Or possibly taken
to another GM division dealer for installation of this visual effect?

If this truly is the last Cutlass year, guess GM is blurring lines and
heaping on, err using up stock that would otherwise be destined for early
parts bin retirement and hopeful restorer purchase in, oh 20 years or so.
Guess they wouldn't want 40 or 50 of these top options sitting around
wasting operating capital and storage space.


Have a Happy and Safe Holiday Season!
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:27:26 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: did someone say tanks ???

List,
            I knew we get around to the tanks
one of these days. As stated, the twin Cad
motors were in the Stuart and Chaffee units.
The Sherman tanks used what ever was available
at the time, from rotary engines to a bank of
Chrysler engines. Sorry to say, never an Olds
engine...


The General

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:17:21 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

They I should do that!!! Then I could say yes everytime someone asks me 
if I had a 442 in it I could say YES!!!!!!!!!!  Does anyone else get 
that question.  Seems people think there was a 442 cid engine.

>put a 425 crank in a 350 Diesel block and used some Chevy pistons to 
get
>(and you guessed it) 442 CID engine to drop into his 442.  Cool.
>
>


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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 06:23:31 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???

Did they (after market) make hemispheric heads for an olds.  I have seen 
them for a chevy. Very Expensive.

>> Did Oldsmobile ever make a 468 big block while searching thru the 
local scrap yard I came across an old malibu buried in the lot the valve 
covers say oldsmobile and the hood is cut away for what looks like a 
blower used to be there The owner of the yard said the car has been 
there since about 1987 and there's also if you look REAL carefully the 
words 468 Hemi airbrushed on the hood


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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:34:49 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

In a message dated 12/24/98 8:18:15 AM Central Standard Time,
jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:

<< They I should do that!!! Then I could say yes everytime someone asks me 
 if I had a 442 in it I could say YES!!!!!!!!!!  Does anyone else get 
 that question.  Seems people think there was a 442 cid engine.
  >>
I get that question everytime...LOL...Then when I tell them that my 65 has a
400 in it they continue to tell me of a friend that they know that has a
"real" 442 w/ 442c.i.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:41:58 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 hot engine for sale fast

Ok Larry have a good holiday, Thanks Chris

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:57:54 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

Jason Shreve asked:



><snip> Then I could say yes everytime someone asks me 
>if I had a 442 in it I could say YES!!!!!!!!!!  Does anyone else get 
>that question.

Of course.  Probably everyone with 442 emblems gets that question sometimes. 
(Even from some half-fast mechanics).

roger

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:04:28 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: timing chain (was: not starting)

From Bill Russell:

>Does anyone have a suggestion for determining if the chain has jumped
>short of pulling the distributor cap and the number one plug?  
>
Remove valve covers.  Remove rocker arms from cylinders 1 & 6. Turn engine 
until pushrods are fully down on both cyls. Turn some more 'til upward 
motion of a pushrod is first observed on either cyl. Mark pencil line on 
balncer/vibrational damper at timing mark "0". Turn engine more until upward 
movement of pushrod is first observed on other cyl. Make similar pencil 
mark. If marks are more than say 1/4" apart,  timing chain is very likey off.

Any of you with superior mechanical knowledge got a better way?

roger hitson   

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:52:19 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

I think that Mondello address this in his olds shop Manuel as one of the
questions. 
Happy Holidays list and thanks for the answer to all of those questions that
everyone else goes "I don't know," And to some great friendships that have
been made through a mutual love of ...................





Oldsmobiles, what did you think that I was going to say.  Merry Christmas
Thanks Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
STARFIRE GT V8?

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:57:00 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: timing chain (was: not starting)BEING NICE

Any of you with superior mechanical knowledge got a better way?

Roger Be nice Tis the season to be jolly, ha ha just joking

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
STARFIRE V8 ?

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:00:36 EST
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scanner for Olds Pics

In a message dated 12/23/98 11:12:50 PM Central Standard Time,
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< I was looking for a good but not too $$$ of a scanner to scan some of my
 Olds pics to my soon to be web-site. >>

I read somewhere last week that some of the cheaper scanners can't make a jpg
file, although there was a way to convert them to jpg. The bottom line of the
article was that the non-jpg files are much bigger and take forever to
attached and send Olds pictures via e-mail. Recommend that whatever you get it
does it in jpg.

Dick Compton
72 442 convertible
RAC5419@AOL.COM 

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:07:01 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

In a message dated 12/24/1998 9:18:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:

<< They I should do that!!! Then I could say yes everytime someone asks me 
 if I had a 442 in it I could say YES!!!!!!!!!!  Does anyone else get 
 that question.  Seems people think there was a 442 cid engine.
  >>
How about the other comment I think we hear.

"Oh thats a nice four forty two you have".

Lou Principe 
69 W-30

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:08:51 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scanner for Olds Pics...not really Olds content<G>

In a message dated 12/24/98
 9:<BR02:<BR48 AM Central Standard Ti, RAC5419@aol.com writes:> << I was
looking for a good but not too $$$ of a scanner to scan some of my
>   Olds pics to my soon to be web-site. >>
>  
>  I read somewhere last week that some of the cheaper scanners can't make a 
> jpg file, although there was a way to convert them to jpg. The bottom line
of 
> the article was that the non-jpg files are much bigger and take forever to
>  attached and send Olds pictures via e-mail. Recommend that whatever you get
> it does it in jpg.

Isn't the available pic formats a function of the software? You are absolutely
correct that JPEG is the most convenient and universal transfer format.

If you have a PC (I mean, not a Mac), then be sure you get a TWAIN-compatible
scanner. Then you will be able to scan a convertible file which will make
.bmp,.jpg,.tif,.gif, and who knows what else, depending upon the power of your
software package. I don't know what Mac standards apply, I just know that it
is a real PITA to receive Mac pix on a PC. I fought the battle for years,
finally finding a little shareware package thta would strip the icon file from
the front of a Mac file so the Win SW could recognize the picture format.

Cheers/Carron
who has scanned a number of Olds pics on his.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:15:41 EST
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scanner for Olds Pics...not really Olds content<G>

In a message dated 12/24/98 9:10:23 AM Central Standard Time, SpeedCom@aol.com
writes:

<< Isn't the available pic formats a function of the software? You are
absolutely
 correct that JPEG is the most convenient and universal transfer format.
  >>
And you're absolutely right about the software... but cheaper scanners use the
cheaper software to keep their cost down. That's why I wouldn't buy a scanner
based on cost only... it should  use software that makes jpg files.

Dick
  

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:37:11 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Being Nice was: timing chain (was: not starting)

>Any of you with superior mechanical knowledge got a better way?
>
>Roger Be nice Tis the season to be jolly, ha ha just joking

Didn't intend to be otherwise. My question was sincere, not supposed to 
insult. Just have Chris Witt disorder. (People think I'm an asshole without 
my giving it any effort.)

roger


Ho f*ckin' ho ho ho

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:19:19 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: "dirt-ball" spark tester

kuryakyn makes neon spark lights for harley davidson motorcycles one could
use one of these to test as described.....KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 4:43 AM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: "dirt-ball" spark tester


>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: "Bill B." <Pianotuner@fastservice.com>
>Subject: "dirt-ball" spark tester
>
>My disabled 82 sitting out on the curb may have a chain problem, but I
>am really hoping for a low spark possibility.  I used a 110 to 250V neon
>test light with one side clipped to a distributor plug output to check
>for evidence of spark voltage.  It did light up to tell me that
>something was happening, but I don't know if there is enough spark.
>Anyone have an idea for a "dirt-ball" spark tester that would reliably
>measure the output?
>
>Bill Bussell
>

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