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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, December 8 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1650



Re: console needed
Re: column needed
Re: classic auto storage
take me from the list..
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1647
69 carbs
Re: Used Cam Question
Re: Wondering if i got a good price
Re: Better Horns?
Ordered parts for SOM, $$ of horn relay??
Re: F-85 Omega?
Ball Joint?
Re: build sheet
Re: Rechroming
Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
Titanium valves
Re: Stuff 4 sale
Re: Looking for 68 steering wheel!
Re: Used Cam Question
Re: Rechroming
Oldsmobile articles - Back issues of Car Collector
More on back issues - available on-line
Demolition Man Video Clip
Re: Demolition Man Video Clip
Re: Scary front end ...
Re: Electronic odometer reads 
Re: Demolition Man Video Clip 
Re: Non-Olds or SE, sorry
Re: The J-2 intake was: Intake?
Your 1970 98 was: Re:
Re: .Re: Rings in oil pan how serious?
Re: Great movies -Reply
question
Rocket Talk and other subjects... (intake)...
model info
Re: model info
Re: model info
Re: Great movies -Reply
Re: model info
Re: Alternator upgrade:  advice needed
Re: Air Bags (what are they)
Re: model info
Re: model info
RE: '66 Delta 2 and 4 door interchangeability
Re: model info
Re: model info
Re: model info
Re: model info
Re: Great movies -Reply -Reply
Re: Rechroming
Re: 68 442 model kit
For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops
BOP Show
Re: lower control arm removal
Re: Front Control Arms
Re: BOP Show
HELP 78 CUTLASS SUPREME DUAL EXHAUST
Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Re: 68 442 model kit
RE: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops
RE: G Body Steering wheel column swap
RE: column needed
Re: Titanium valves
Re: Lic Plate Resto help
Re: 68 442 model kit
tranny or rear end?
Re: 68 442 model kit
Re: Lic Plate Resto help
Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:45:30 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: console needed

Look in the JWO for John Greens phone number.  He had one this summer, he
may still have it.
I believe his number is 416-724-4405 

Hope he can help.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




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> From: DonziKel@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: console needed
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 8:50 PM
> 
> Hehe, They arent that hard to find. I found a Console for my 66 Cutlass
easy.
> Its out of a 442, but who gives a damn. I got a vacume gage now too :). I
just
> need the stock tach, anyone got a 66 Stock dash mount tach?
> Kelly
> www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/index.html

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:48:47 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: column needed

> I just read my post.....
> 
> I need a tilt column - not a console....
> 
> 
> The General
> 

What years and are you willing to do a little work on them.
I have 6 spares but all need some level of repair, I don't usually sell my
specialty parts but could make an exception.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:47:39 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: classic auto storage

OLDS44272@aol.com wrote:

>   <<<  Greetings fellow listers,
>   Considering turning part of a local building into an auto/motorhome
> storage facility. Does anyone know what a fair going monthly rate
> would
> be for heated storage with onsite security? No admission without being
>
> accompanied by storage representative.Thanks. B.D.>>>
>
>               I am renting a small 20 X 20 garage around the corner
> from my
> house. It is not heated but well secured ( no windows, the garage
> doesn't face
> the street). I am paying $20 a month. Not much room to work on stuff,
> but 2
> cars and my motorcyle fit in there. Plus i have a friend who has his
> 96
> Rustang convertable in there. He is paying me $20 to use the storage
> space.............you gotta love America......SCOTT

   Whata deal!

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:51:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Dr E.N. Signer" <est@leicester.ac.uk>
Subject: take me from the list..

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:55:40 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1647

David Brode wrote:

> > Hello all,
>
>  I've noticed alot of talk about the lack of a performer RPM for the
> big olds'. I've always
> wondered if the O4B was discontinued due to the fact that it won't fit
> with an HEI. I wonder
> if this is why Edelbrock has never come out with a BB performer RPM?
> I don't think there's
> enough space to allow the manufacture of a large ported dual plane
> that will work with the
> H.E.I.
>  I like the old O4B, while i don't think much of the performer. The
> ports look way to small
> to me.
>  Thoughts?
> Dave Brode
> 64 Cutlass ran 12.5 years ago w/ stock 68 toro motor, with Dave Smith
> cam / O4B / Q-jet
> [13mpg]
>
> > ------------------------------
> > be nice to have a Performer RPM for the big guys though.
> >
> > Mike Rothe
> > homas Martin
> > 80 Turbo Trans AM
> > 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> > 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> >

Sey Mike,What intake do ya like for 455 with HEI. Have Torker now and
wondering if a dual plane might be better. Cam is 234/518 Crane
Fireball. Shaved E heads, 10:25 pistons. Looking for torque as I don`t
think I should rev ast 5300-5500.Thanks, B.D.

Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:12:57 -0500 
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: 69 carbs

I checked my carbs and the 29251 is missing the "70" prefix.  My orignal
carb is a 7029253 for some unknown reason has the "70" prefix along with my
spare.
Just my .35

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:18:23 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Used Cam Question

>The 307 is lots smaller so this cam should seam a lot bigger in the
>307.  The 455 stock cam is a bit smaller then my current cam, so it should
>do fine.

Just a couple things to add.  The cam will act pretty much the same in 
both motors.  Keep in mind that while the 307 is short 150 cid from the
455 everything is miniturized on the 307.  Basically a cam is a cam (in
very simplified terms) and just because your putting it in a smaller cid
engine doesn't mean it will act bigger.  The reason is that the 307 will
not be able to fill the cyl's as easily as the 455, the ports are smaller
on top of the smaller cyl's.  If you put a set of heads with huge ports on
the engine you would still need a bigger cam to get it to make power.
The other note is that a used cam is fine even with used lifters as long
as you know which lifter was on which lobe.  You can put new lifters on
an old cam but never the other way around.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:21 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wondering if i got a good price

In a message dated 98-12-05 15:37:03 EST, you write:

<< I bought an 87 cutlass cieara a couple of months ago. the body had no
 dents it needed a paint job but not despratly.The interior was
 perfect.the car only had 36,000 miles on.My grandmas freind only drove
 it to the doctor and the supremarket.It sounded like a good deal at
 $1500 dollars so i bought it what do you guys think. also is thier any
 thing i can do to make it faster >>

Realize that SOM (1965 Dynamic) cost me $1600 at 74K and ended up needing
Bias-ply tires replaced, $300 brake work after a year and a $500 job to
replace an oil pan that nobody could open the drain plug on (takes a 1/2"
ratchet drive without socket!).

I'd say you've got a steal!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:26 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Better Horns?

In a message dated 98-12-04 18:22:05 EST, you write:

<< K, 
 Cuervo Centennial 1800, heck with the horns, get out the limes & salt!
 Lou >>

Beg to differ.

For just a little more $$$; Especial!

This stuff is sippin' Te-killer!

No salt.
No lime.

Just the four stages of Tequila: Handsome, Buff, Invincible, Invisible.

Good for any pre-hangover occasion.

K

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:17 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Ordered parts for SOM, $$ of horn relay??

Well the hood insulating pad has had it.
It is filthy, hangs in the middle, and now has come loose from just above the
M/C.

So ordered a new (?) one from USA Parts Supply.

Got some other stuff too, rebuild kits and gaskets for the new (old) rear axle
assembly I have been working on. Gonna see if the backing plates on the new
axle are OK, if so, think we'll go back to using the original wheel cylinders.
(ones on SOM now are CARx replacements ["we cannot get rebuild kits for
those..."] from back when Karl had no catalogues)

Also got replacement parking brake cables.

Had a thought last night and called this morning before order was shipped;
Karl need horn relay for SOM.

So, is $52 WAAAAAAY too much for a horn relay that is like-new?

I figger that if it is a new repro, then mebbe....

Could prolly scav a used one for $10, but there is at least $25 of gas
involved...

Whadddya'll think, is $52 outrageous for a horn relay?

(Yah. Could prolly have got elsewhere, but this way get savings in shipping!)

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:19 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

In a message dated 98-12-05 09:36:00 EST, you write:

<< You could also order a "custom-fitted Hatchback camper conversion tent from
your dealer" Hey let's go camping in my new Omega. >>

So if you could crowbar a 455 in there, it would be camping in a 12-second
bear-evader?

Wow the crowds at the track and have facilities to service female groupies?

Sorry for insensitive material.
Just another long, strange trip.

SOM

&KA

(who ~ARE~ the Greatful Dead and ~WHY~ do they keep following me?)

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:21:14 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Ball Joint?

Anyone ever swap ball joints?  And Control Arm Bushings?

I have to do them on my 91 Bonneville, and the rear control arms are nearly
identical to the front on the older RWD cars.  What is the proceedure for r
& r of them?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:23 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: build sheet

In a message dated 98-12-05 22:39:47 EST, you write:

<<  I mean, look at it this way, is there ever any car show where at least ONE
part
 on any of the cars wasn't fabricated? >>

And then there is a local 1965 4 4 2 which appears at IVOC shows that
invariably gives the stats of the 400cid on the info placard, but whose engine
clearly has a NUMBER (not a letter)!

Yes, it is a clean car.
Yes, it did have the F-85 Cutlass 4 4 2 option package.
NO! It is not a 400 engine!
Deal with it!

As long as your "build-sheet" data indicates what is actually on the car, go
ahead!

Karl just hates fakes touted as real.

Again, a fake H/O Wagon Pace Car is fine, ..... if it is touted as a fake!

Sorry....

SOM

&ka

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:36:16 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rechroming

Sorry to join this thread late guys!

<< There was a thread going a while back about recroming plastic parts. I
found
a company in Florida that sells(quote from the ad):
"Electroplating and electroforming equipment, chemicals, supplies and kits.
Featuring chrome, nickel, gold, copper, silver, bronze and cadmium plating.
Our kits will plate on metallic and non-metallic surfaces. We manufacture
both brush and tank-plating kits. FREE CATALOG >>

O.K.

#1) Sorry, plastic parts ~cannot~ be electroplated!
      Plastic will not carry the current necessary!

#2) Yup! Cadmium (Cd) is bad for you. Believe it causes insanity or mild cases
of death. Basically it can be accidentally substituted for Magnesium or
Calcium in the bod, as it has slightly different properties from each, results
ain't what the bod is prepared for!

#3) Do not know what "Electro-forming" type plating is. If it involves coating
plastic with a conductive material, then it could work for plastic.

#4) It is possible to provide a "kit" where the consumer plates his parts (uh,
*auto* parts that is!) with Cadmium without ever coming into contact with the
Cadmium, with the exception of handling the plated parts....

#5) Just because they have a catalogue does not mean they will send a Cadmium-
plating kit to just anyone......

#6) No, don't know about brush-plating either.

#7) There is no number seven!
This is just for comic relief after the whole cadmium thing.

Just beware of the heavy metals other than Jim Morrison, Blue Oyster Cult, and
Tool.

(Sorry)

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:46:59 -0500
From: kib7@usa.net
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"

More info on this problem:

There is a button on the dashboard, switching between 'kilometers' and
'miles' mode. Normally I use it in 'kilometers' mode - I am in Canada.
And the odometer shows 'error'.
When I tried to put it into 'miles' mode, the odometer showed my normal
mileage - 124K miles which is 200,000km. It immediately came to mind
that the odometer is capable to show only '0' or '1' as the sixth digit so
anything above 199,999 is displayed as 'error' . Although this idea
doesn't sound reasonable or realistic to myself.

Any other opinions?

Konstantin

>
>Hello All,
>
>Problem:
>Oldsmobile Cutlas Supreme SL 1991, V6 3.1L has a digital dashboard.
>After replacing the dead battery with the new one I started the engine.
>Naturally all the previous settings for the clock, radio, A/C were
>forgotten, it happens every time you disconnect the battery.
> 
>But this time the odometer displayed the word "error" instead of
>mileage.
>
>Question:
>Is there any way to restore the original mileage reading or at least
>reset the
>odometer to some reasonable value?
>
>Thanks in advance, all opinions will be appreciated.
>
>Konstantin
>Ottawa, Canada
>

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:48:56 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Titanium valves

hallo all.

Anyone have info on a possible manufacturing source for Titanium Head
valves. Also looking for anyone having info on or success at,
Closing/reinforcing  the open web blocks. I know Mondello has a main cap
strap/stud kit for the BB. But don't know if the "Open Web" SB has counter
parts or can be fitted. Will probably use 330 forged crank and cryogen
bearings on this 403ci. You may mail directly to:
mailto:gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com  Thanks

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

ICQ# 5209322 = "CC-IROC-SS"
Personal ICQ Communication Center:
http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5209322

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Project Questions To:
mailto:cc-iroc-ss@CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/win95board/multipage1.html
mailto:techsupport@salemcounty.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:57:57 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stuff 4 sale

In a message dated 98-11-18 13:28:15 EST, you write:

> 1970
>  Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
> Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
> Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
> Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
> Lower Dash AC Vents (none 8 Track)>$100
> Dual Gate Shifter(shifter only)>$150
> Wheel Well Chrome (HC) complete set> $100
> Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
> Nos pass. side headlight frame(plastic)>  $75
> 8 Track Complete (E me for details)>$100
> Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $25 ea
> Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $25 ea
> F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
> Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20

what cond. is the dual gate in and how much of it is there?    steven,
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:02:52 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Looking for 68 steering wheel!

The Corvette one is EXACTILY the same, so you might beable to pick one of
thoes up for cheaper.
Kelly
_______

HAHAHAHAHAH  That's a riot.  A _Corvette_ part cheaper than an Olds part!
You kill me!

Seriously, the 'Vette set is out of control when it comes to prices on
resto parts, even parts that are identical to those on other GM cars.
Take, for example, the steering wheel hub used on the above mentioned
three-spoke wheel.  The same hub was used on Olds, Buick, Camaros,
Chevelles, and Vettes.  At a swap meet, a Vette vendor will be selling this
hub for twice what you can get it for from a Buick guy.  Right up there
with those tires with the original factory air in them...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:15:40 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Used Cam Question

I already tired the published power rating on the DD with both the stock 455
and 307, and 305, etc..  The power always seems to be within 10-15HP on the
smaller motors, 20-30 on a 455 or a 440, etc..  I am sure that it displays
gross cause it never asks about any attributes of the rest of the driveline
and it does seem to be on the higher side.  I guess that a bigger cam would
be in order is I am to do all this work anyway.  I just wanted to see if
that old cam is still useful or if I should throw it out.  I would use new
lifters with it anyway.  If I go with a lot of lift, I will have to change
the valve springs  and play with the pushrod length and I don't want to do
that.  I acquired another 455 to build up, so the 307 would really have to
be a junkyard dog cause I have the 455 to spend real money on.  That 455 is
a '72 with Ga heads and non-emissions, so maybe its cam is better yet.  Hmm.
Igor.

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:13:01 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Rechroming

#1) Sorry, plastic parts ~cannot~ be electroplated!
      Plastic will not carry the current necessary!
________

True, but there are vendors touting a triple plate (copper, nickel, chrome)
plating of plastic parts which is allegedly much more durable than the
vacuum deposited aluminum normally used to "chrome" plastic.  I can only
assume that they first vac deposit the copper on the plastic then use the
copper's conductivity to complete the job.  Anyone with better info?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:26:42 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile articles - Back issues of Car Collector

I just received the first copy of my subscription to Car Collector. In
the back, there is an index of past issues that can be purchased. They
went so far as to list the make of automobile and the issues containing
articles about those cars. Oldsmobile has been represented a lot. Here
is a list of the articles and issues. The address to request a back
issue is: Car Collector Back Issue Department, 5211 S. Washington Ave.,
Titusville Florida 32780.

The End of Oldsmobile; 3/93
Oldsmobile by Hurst; 10/97
1909 Model D Flying Roadster; 2/76
1912 Oldsmobile Autocrat Touring; 1/69
1951 2-door; 12/98
1952 Super 88; 10/89
1953 Super 88 Holiday Cp; 11/88
1954 F-88 concept car; 1/95
1955 Rocket 88 conv.;5/94
1956 Starfire conv.; 11/94
1957 88 conv.; 12/95
1958 98 conv.; 11/93
1959 dynamic 88; 6/91
1960 98; 12/88
1960; 1/91
1962 Starfire cpe.; 4/91
1965 Dynamic 88 conv.; 2/95
1967 442 conv. 9/92
1969 Cutlass S conv.; 7/98
1970 442 conv W-30; 8/95


The backissues are $8 each, plus $3 shipping.
I would be happy to scan the order form and e-mail it privately to
whoever would like it.

Usual discaimer. Can't vouch or B*tch. But I do plan to order one.

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S conv.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:36:25 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: More on back issues - available on-line

Just discovered that they are on-line as well. Back issues can be viewed
by simply inserting the month and year of back issue desired (I gave
that info in previous post).

Have Fun!
www.carcollector.com



Mike Baugher

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:44:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Demolition Man Video Clip

Demolition Man video clip has been added to the Multimedia section at
442.com. Sorry for the delay. The compressed version is 12Mb and the
uncompressed version is 15Mb. Really lengthy download, but it has all of
the good action scenes edited together and runs a full minute, 45 seconds.
Hope to have higher-quality versions of the individual scenes available
soon.


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
J. Bryce Smith
Email: bryceman@442.com
Web: http://442.com

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:05:54 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: Demolition Man Video Clip

There's just something extremely sexy about Sandra Bullock behind the
wheel of a 442!

Mike Baugher

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:22:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Scary front end ...

It looks this way because the springs are not compressed.  It will 
straighten out when the engine is dropped in.

>Hi Guys, 
>
>Thanks at this point for the "how do I get stickers off answers". 
Killed 
>them all on the weekend with the hair dryer!
>
>I put my baby on wheels to make engine installation easier. The front 
end 
>now (without engine installed) looks scary. If you look at the front 
>wheels from the front of the car they look like that:  /   \
>
>I have put in new A arms and I am afraid that they may not fit... I had 
>them together with new disc brakes from the former owner and just took 
it 
>as a fact that they will fit. 
>
>Is it possible that things straighten out when I put in the engine? I 
>would suspect it to look this way though when it is without the engine: 
>\   /
>
>??????????
>
>Well, I am asking because I would get things straight before putting in 
>the engine if I only knew for sure that my setup is not right... 
>any tips, experiences and suggestions welcome!
>
>Regards, George
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:02:33 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads 

> There is a button on the dashboard, switching between 'kilometers'
> and 'miles' mode. Normally I use it in 'kilometers' mode - I am in
> Canada. And the odometer shows 'error'.
>
> When I tried to put it into 'miles' mode, the odometer showed my
> normal mileage - 124K miles which is 200,000km. It immediately came
> to mind that the odometer is capable to show only '0' or '1' as the
> sixth digit so anything above 199,999 is displayed as 'error'.

I kind of doubt that. That seems a little shortsighted, even for GM.

When you start the car, don't all the displays light up every single 
element during self-test? If so, I think you should be able to see a 
crossbar in that first digit; i.e. it can display any number there,
not just 0 or 1.

At this point I still think the problem is hardware related, and
you might be homing in on the problem. If that switch can get the
display to work in one position but not the other, I would be
interested to see if its circuits are clean. If it's an On/Off 
switch (e.g. Miles = On; Metric = Off), the problem is probably 
elsewhere, but if it switches between two live circuits (e.g.
Miles = Output Wire 1; Metric = Output Wire 2), perhaps one of
the two outputs is not making a circuit back to the processor.
Feel like doing a little surgery on the dash to look for loose 
connectors? (I didn't think so.  :-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:00:29 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Demolition Man Video Clip 

> There's just something extremely sexy about Sandra Bullock behind the
> wheel of a 442!

And something extremely stupid when she sais: "Its an 70 Oldsmobile ..." 
It suspect that they have written the text for her on the side window, 
that is where she stares when she "realizes" what kinda car she has in 
front of her. This is really hillarious, I am sure if you would ask her 
now what kinda car they had in Demo Man, she would not even remember it 
was an Olds, hahahaha!
George

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:06:03 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non-Olds or SE, sorry

In a message dated 98-12-06 20:22:32 EST, you write:

<< What other free email providers are there other than Yahoo and Hotmail?
And
 what aare their url's.  Thanks >>

www.fortunecity.com

and I think others that provide free page space, provides free Email.

I think the same goes for Geocities, where one copy of the FAQ used to be....

K

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:05:58 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: The J-2 intake was: Intake?

In a message dated 98-12-06 15:23:26 EST, you write:

<<    Thank you for the info - it is a #571145 - Do you or anyone on the list
know
 of someone looking for one of these manifolds?  It is in nice shape, still
has
 about half of the original carb studs there, but no carbs or linkage...  If
you or
 anyone else knows of someone - please email me privately.
 Thanks again,
 Todd Daenzer >>

About ~half~ !!!!!
This means at about 7 bolts of a minimum of 14 studs are broken?
(there were also studs for the vacc-operated linkage)
Not looking at it now, there may be more than 14.

Well, it is now not particularly desireable.

Gotta say that this intake and others like it are why 1960 and later intakes
accomodated carbs by way of bolt holes.

Your intake "could" have the broken studs drilled and tapped for replacements
that will result in it "looking" original if everything is bolted on, but this
skill is not in my grasp.

I mentioned mine (good shape) was a ~steal~ at $60.

If I did not have one, I might offer less for yours.
As I do....no need...

Sorry, but the same would go for a cracked 1966 W-30 Tri-power intake.
It would still be worth about $400 because it fits a modern motor, but worth
much less than examples in good shape.

Sorry.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:06:00 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Your 1970 98 was: Re:

In a message dated 98-12-06 13:31:02 EST, you write:

<< My name is Jack and I just joined the list. I recently acquired a 1970 98
 conv and am searching for >>

Contact D. Brown at:

dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu

He is parting a 1970 Delta 88 and will likely have some of your wants, plus
some good sheetmetal (I think).

I have not contated him lately, but mention that Karl sent you...

K

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:06:08 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: .Re: Rings in oil pan how serious?

In a message dated 98-12-06 09:34:17 EST, you write:

<< Well, even though the tranny shifted alright, I didn't save it.  I figured
 it'd need a rebuild anyway, so I might as well just get a new one later.
What
 is an s.p. tranny? >>

Found in most, if not all 1965-1967 TH400 and TH425 (Toro trannies).
This was featured in 1965 as a "variable vane" (two position) torque
converter.

Essentially a throttle linkage includes an proximity switch (or similar) to
click ON at throttle openings approaching WOT, which causes the Torque
converter vanes to change angles, thus increasing/decreasing torque
magnification at those times.

SOM's seems to open up only in third gear.. need to look into more...

Heard these are desirable to some racing types....

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:23:17 -0800
From: Roy Rutz <ROYR@cdpr.ca.gov>
Subject: Re: Great movies -Reply

How about Bullet with , I think, Paul Newman?
Dodge charger and mustang.  When he reached down and buckled the
seat belts you just new something was going to happen!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:27:29 -0500
From: The Hammer <TheHammer@nkol.net>
Subject: question

I have a 1995 Cutlass Supreme convertible, and am wanting to know if
Oldsmobile had a magazine like that of mustang 5.0. The reason I want to
know is that I would like to be able to modify it in some way but I
don't know what is out there. Mustang 5.0 has tons of mod stuff in it
for all Mustangs, I am a Mustang buff too, and it would be cool to see
if Oldsmobile has something like that. If you have any input as to this,
please let me know. Thanks for your help.

Chris Hansen

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:29:33 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Rocket Talk and other subjects... (intake)...

A few showed for Rocket Talk, one Instant messaged Karl, and 4 others held a
window-intensive ICQ con-fab.

Mostly a good time was had by all but those with bizarre errors on attempt to
access Rocket Talk.

Same time this Thursday at-
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
huh??

Incidentally, part of that Factory Iron Q-Jet Intake thread copied a post from
someone with a 1966 intake.... wo had that intake for sale?

Was that a Divorced choke intake (prolly was)??

SOM


&KA

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:18:47 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: model info

For those that don't know. The AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30 is now available. I just
saw one for sale on ebay.com. 

Ed
The Omega man

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:30:19 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: model info

In a message dated 98-12-08 13:22:18 EST, you write:

>For those that don't know. The AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30 is now available. I just
>saw one for sale on ebay.com. 
>
>Ed
>The Omega man
>
>

i saw some at local walmart, looked cool!    does anyone know if they
made/making one for the rallye 350 ?    steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:44:57 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: model info

how much are the 66's going for...anyone seen em elseware..

olds guy

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:02:22 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Great movies -Reply

> How about Bullet with, I think, Paul Newman?
> Dodge Charger and Mustang.  When he reached down and buckled
> the seat belts you just knew something was going to happen!

Actually that was "Bullitt" with Steve McQueen, but yes, that
was one of the best. "French Connection" is another, and they had
a genuine GM car... (Okay, it's a Pontiac, and they needed about
seven of them  :-)

For a really outstanding web page devoted to the car chase in
"Bullitt", you've got to check out

http://hazzard.simplenet.com/bullitt.html

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:04:06 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: model info

More than likely the typical 8 to 10 bucks.
Ed
The Omega Man



At 01:44 PM 12/8/98 EST, you wrote:
>how much are the 66's going for...anyone seen em elseware..
>
>olds guy
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:05:06 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: Alternator upgrade:  advice needed

Jonathan,

Sorry I can'y help with your alternator question. But I am interested in your
idea of mounting your alternator low on your car. If you figure this out please
let me know how you did it. I would like to do this on my drag car.

TIA
Shane Gibreal

Jonathan Parke wrote:

> BTW retro fitting the alternator will be an issue no matter which one is
> chosen as the fuel rails for the port injection system on the 425 prohibit
> the use of the original brackets.  Consequently, unless I hear compelling
> reasons to the contrary, I will make brackets to fit an installation of the
> alternator on the lower passenger side of the motor.  The issue of
> serpentine (sp?) belts arises here, but I'm assuming the standard V belt
> will be fine.
>
> Any help or advice that you could offer or places to look for information
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> jp
>
> Jonathan Parke
> mailto:jonparke@together.net

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:28:49 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Air Bags (what are they)

Lou,
Thanks. Since the right rear will lift, slightly more air in the right
side bag works against the lifting, in effect equaling the right to the
left. Correct?

How about slippery surfaces, like rain, and sand on the road? Same idea
for posi and an open diff?

- -- 
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:45:01 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: model info

What scale is the AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30?  Has anyone seen it at Toys R US?

Dan Gerow
'69 442
'71 Cutlass Supreme

dgerow@stonehill.edu

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:11:30 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: model info

> What scale is the AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30?

Depending on which model series it's in, I've seen scales ranging
from 1/24 to what looks like 1/12. The 1/20 scale is nice because
it's a nice chunky size you can sit on top of your monitor.  :-)

> Has anyone seen it at Toys R US?

Not yet but I'm sure it'll turn up. But I've seen much better
prices at places like Target and Wal*Mart; Toys R Us doesn't seem
to try real hard to provide the best price... and we're talking a
price difference of $5-$10 here, too, on asking prices which range
from $12 to $30 depending on car. Sort of like haggling on the
price of a real one, isn't it?!

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:19:51 -0800 
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: '66 Delta 2 and 4 door interchangeability

Fenders for 66 big cars are all the same, except the (big) Toro. 

The 66 big car outer fenders do not interchange with 67 outer fenders which
had a different grill and bumper.

The major differences among the 66 big car fenders was the trim. This can be
fixed by a good body shop. For example my shop fitted
my Starfire with one fender from a 98, but had to cut a hole for the
Starfire-unique fake engine vent. Looks factory to my eyeballs.

The inner fenders might interchange with some persuading, but I don't know.
The only reason it might be desirable to try this is that the
67 driver's side inner fender would be molded to make room for a dual
circuit master cylinder which was not available on 66's. 

Hey, Ed -- does the 66 you're parting have any interesting options on it?
How are the plastic lenses on the bumpers? What's the 
rearend ratio? Please replay privately to me. I have 2 66 big cars that I'm
maintaining...

cheers,
cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ejhufnagel1@juno.com [mailto:ejhufnagel1@juno.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 12:29 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: '66 Delta 2 and 4 door interchangeability
> 
> 
> Hi list,
>            Can someone tell me if the front fenders on a 2 door and the
front fenders on a 4 door  are interchangeable or is one a 
> little longer than the other?  Also is '66 interchangeable with  '67?
Thanks for any and all h*lp
> 
> Regards,
>                 Ed

 

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:19:46 -0600
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: model info

I bought one of the 66 442 W-30 models and have been working on it for
about 2 weeks now.  Th ekit was about 10 bucks and is definatelt worth
it.  i thought it was much better than the 67 W-30 kit.

joe

66 F-85

On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:45:01 -0500 dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R.
Gerow) writes:
>What scale is the AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30?  Has anyone seen it at Toys R 
>US?
>
>Dan Gerow
>'69 442
>'71 Cutlass Supreme
>
>dgerow@stonehill.edu
>
>

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:21:07 -0600
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: model info

Sorry, the scale is 1:25

joeb


On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:45:01 -0500 dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R.
Gerow) writes:
>What scale is the AMT/ERTL 66 442 W30?  Has anyone seen it at Toys R 
>US?
>
>Dan Gerow
>'69 442
>'71 Cutlass Supreme
>
>dgerow@stonehill.edu
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:58:37 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: model info

Hey Everyone

        We have over a dozen of the 66 W-30 models in stock. They are very hard
to come by still but we got 2 cases of them. If anyone is interested and can't
find them anywhere else (Hobbytown USA has them $13.00) we have them for $12.00
ea. They are miuch nicer than the 67 W-30. Much more detailed, but there are
some faults. Here they are. 

1. Does not have the Ram Air Bezels for the front bumper
2. The chrome breather is plain white plastic (not on the chrome tree) needs to
be foil plated.
3. Tires are too wide, unlike the 67's skinny redlines
4. No color 442 stickers like the 67's

Still a good model. There is also available for the 67 W-30 kit a detail kit
with etched metal emblems and rear trunk panel etc.. These are $13.00

Regards
Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:07:35 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: model info

I am praying for a couple of things to happen this holiday season.........


#1   That ERTL or some other die cast company will produce a 1/18  68
442/Hurst.

#2   That JoHan   or any other company will reproduce the plastic 68 442 kit.

#3    That a die cast 61-62 Olds Starfire  1/18 

#4    That a plastic kit of the same will be produced.

#5    That all that YOU pray for  will also come to pass.


Vinny
62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:15:58 -0800
From: Roy Rutz <ROYR@cdpr.ca.gov>
Subject: Re: Great movies -Reply -Reply

Right you are!  I knew it was one of those guys.

>>> "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> 12/08/98 11:02am >>>
> How about Bullet with, I think, Paul Newman?
> Dodge Charger and Mustang.  When he reached down and buckled
> the seat belts you just knew something was going to happen!

Actually that was "Bullitt" with Steve McQueen, but yes, that
was one of the best. "French Connection" is another, and they had
a genuine GM car... (Okay, it's a Pontiac, and they needed about
seven of them  :-)

For a really outstanding web page devoted to the car chase in
"Bullitt", you've got to check out

http://hazzard.simplenet.com/bullitt.html

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:21:26 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming

> True, but there are vendors touting a triple plate (copper, nickel, chrome)
> plating of plastic parts which is allegedly much more durable than the
> vacuum deposited aluminum normally used to "chrome" plastic.  I can only
> assume that they first vac deposit the copper on the plastic then use the
> copper's conductivity to complete the job. 

Exactly Joe.  That's what Custom Coatings does in Florida here.  Got my
original H/O emblems rechromed using this process.  They somehow coat
the plastic in a low temp copper plating solution, then buff smooth the
copper, the plate it normally as you would a bumper.  Then polish to a
brilliant reflection.  I can see that it's gonna hold up FAR better than
the original plating did, and the cool part is that it doesn't look like
some cheesy aftermarket repro.  Hence, with the coating of copper, then
chrome, some of the superfine details suffer a bit compared to vacuum
aluminizing, but for the H/O emblems, they look superb.  

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:21:34 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 model kit

hey there


Is $150 a good price for a MINT 68 442 promo???



Thanks


Vinny

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:30:29 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops

Hey gang.

Amazingly, I was shocked to see on the company web site ads a 1986 442,
blue/blue with T-tops.  Original owner.  He works in the warehouse where
I do!!!!  I called him and he's gonna drive it in tomorrow for me to
look at.  Anyone interested in this car?  He says hi miles, but he's the
only owner, and said a few years ago he had the converter replaced with
a new GM converter.  I'm not sure what to expect, so that's all I know
for now.  Will report back what I find out tomorrow.  I really don't
need another 442 (read mouth to throw money at) but I'd like to see this
car go to someone who could appreciate it.

He's asking 2500.00.  He said it runs fine, and it has no rust.

We'll see.  Let me know if interested.  When word of this car gets out,
it won't be long afore it's gone.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:29:58 EST
From: JMoakBOTH@aol.com
Subject: BOP Show

Does anyone have info on the B O P show/race at Orlando (Fl) Speedworld/Drag
Strip?  It is this weekend but I don't know times, events, or much of anything
except, I hope to see lots of OLDSMOBILES.
Johnny

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:12:37 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: lower control arm removal

Keith,

I've had this problem also.  First, make sure the bolt hole is centered
between the controll arm and the mounting flange on the frame.  Any pressure
placed on the bolt will prohibit easy removal.  I used a hydraulic jack
right under the mount to make sure there was as little pressure as possible
on the bolt.  Then bang real hard with a heavy hammer to loosen bolt.  And
if it still doesn't slide out, you may need to actually unscrew the bolt out
of the hole.  I had to do that.  An impact wrench might come in handy here.
I did it the old fashioned way, with a hand ratchet.

I also replaced all my controll arm bolts with NOS GM parts.  WOW!! were
they expensive!  About $10/bolt.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

- -----Original Message-----
From: KASOLDS@AOL.COM <KASOLDS@AOL.COM>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:59 PM
Subject: lower control arm removal


>I am taking the lower control arms off the front of my 70 442 to replace
the
>bushings.  My problem is 3 of the bolts seem to be frozen to the metal
sleeve
>inside the bushing, and they wont come out (I have all of the nuts off).
Does
>anybody have any recomendations?
>
>Keith
>70 442
>

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:04:57 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Front Control Arms

Greg,

It seems like a good idea to have an extra set of controll arms ready,
however, as someone else mentioned it's not worth the effort to pull off yet
another set of controll arms.  It's a PIA to do it one time, let alone two.
If you really want to have something ready, upgrade to new tubualr control
arms  for better handling and add larger 12" rotors for better stopping
power.

As far as weight is concerned, individually they are not real heavy.  Put
the upper and lowers together and add a spindle and a brake disc, then they
get heavy!  Be careful if you remove that whole setup as a complete unit.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 11:52 AM
Subject: Front Control Arms


<snipped>
>I was thinking that perhaps it would be easier to just get a full set of
>upper and lower front control arms from a parts car and do the work at my
>leisure, then I could just bolt them on when the other work is underway.
>Any thoughts on this approach? Anybody got a set taking up space they want
>to get rid of? How heavy are these things anyway?
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:41:14 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: BOP Show

I plan to race there saturday the 12th i am going there friday and spend the
night. I have a 68 442 post orange in color and has Vitamin C  on the back 
window
stop by and shoot the sh t for a while   Butch  68  442  post

JMoakBOTH@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have info on the B O P show/race at Orlando (Fl) Speedworld/Drag
> Strip?  It is this weekend but I don't know times, events, or much of 
anything
> except, I hope to see lots of OLDSMOBILES.
> Johnny

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:51:57 PST
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: HELP 78 CUTLASS SUPREME DUAL EXHAUST

I am trying to get a shop to put dual exhaust on my 78 Cutlass Supreme 
and they all tell me that all they can do is put single exhaust on my 
car and add dual tips because of the crossmember.  Now I know the 
crossmember is kinda low but I have seen it done.  I read somewhere 
about using a different crossmember out of another car.  If so what 
cars.  Help me please!!!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:55:17 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

mbloomer wrote:

> Would be nice to have a Performer RPM for the big guys though.
> >
> >Mike Rothe
> >
> Yeah, but you do get the Torker which we "little" guys don't get.
>
> Mike B
> mbloomer@gateway.net
> ICQ# 19113713
> 72 Cutlass S (RIP)
> 68 Cutlass Supreme

  Does Edelbrock still make the Torker for the big Olds'?
Sorry if this has already been adressed, I'm a couple days behind.

Shane Gibreal

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:04:03 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 model kit

Vinny

        YES! That is a fair price. Some may say your crazy but when was the
last
time you saw one. I saw a 64 442 Promo at Fall Carisle and the guy wanted
$250.00 for it. I thought that was a deal but had to spend my money elsewhere.

Jim Chermack

At 04:21 PM 12/8/98 , you wrote:
>hey there
>
>
>Is $150 a good price for a MINT 68 442 promo???
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Vinny

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:03:19 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops

Somebody better buy it at that price.  That price could cause it to wind up
in the hands of a new driver.  Not that I have anything against, but we all
know what can happen to a kid's first car...

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Mike Rothe.
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 4:30 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; olds_gbody@listbot.com
Subject: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops


Hey gang.

Amazingly, I was shocked to see on the company web site ads a 1986 442,
blue/blue with T-tops.  Original owner.  He works in the warehouse where
I do!!!!  I called him and he's gonna drive it in tomorrow for me to
look at.  Anyone interested in this car?  He says hi miles, but he's the
only owner, and said a few years ago he had the converter replaced with
a new GM converter.  I'm not sure what to expect, so that's all I know
for now.  Will report back what I find out tomorrow.  I really don't
need another 442 (read mouth to throw money at) but I'd like to see this
car go to someone who could appreciate it.

He's asking 2500.00.  He said it runs fine, and it has no rust.

We'll see.  Let me know if interested.  When word of this car gets out,
it won't be long afore it's gone.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:03:15 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: G Body Steering wheel column swap

This is a straight forward swap that can be done in an afternoon. I believe
there are only four bolts holding the column in at the firewall.  And as far
as compatability with other g-bodies, don't worry about that.  You could
take a steering column from a 79 International Scout II and bolt it right
in, so yuo know that the g-body ones will interchange.  The wires and all
should have the same harness.  That's a GM standard.
And for fixing that not-returning turn signal, that definitely justifies a
swap.  All that needs to be replaced is a simple little spring, but you
can;t just buy a little spring.  You have to spend like a hundred bucks for
the whole assembly if you don't happen to have an extra spring lying around
already.  A whole column's probably cheaper!
What's a pin out problem?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo



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From: GBodyLover@aol.com [mailto:GBodyLover@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 5:41 AM
To: monte-list@spots.ab.ca; gbody@listbot.com; ChevyEngines@listbot.com;
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: G Body Steering wheel column swap


The G-Body Organization Mailing List - http://www.g-body.org

I'm looking into the possibilities of replacing my stock non-tilt steering
column with a tilt model from another G body. From what I can see by reading
my Haynes manuel, there doesn't appear to be any differences in the columns
between the makes
(Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, Buick). Has anyone done this before? I know that I
can
probably expect some pin out problems, but if that's it, I'll be happy. How
hard is it to take the darn thing out anyway, I've been eyeballing mine and
it
looks pretty straight forward. This swap will give me the perfect
opportunity
to fix the broken left turn signal indicator (won't turn off after turning).
I
know that there is a really easy way to do this, but I have to justify the
swap somehow right?!?!?!?!


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:03:18 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: column needed

Hey there General.
If I remember right, you and I are pretty close.  I am supposed to be buying
an 86 Salon this or next week.  I will be using the column from that in my
car, so I'd probably be willing to get rid of my column.  It's grey, tilt,
shifter, good shape.  I may even be able to throw in a Salon wheel if this
new one's in as good of shape as mine.  My column's an 87 by the way.  If
you're interested, let me know.  I don't have the car yet, but barring any
oxymoronic catastrophe's, I'l be picking it up BEFORE (damn) Christmas.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Robert Schinkel
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 8:49 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: column needed


> I just read my post.....
>
> I need a tilt column - not a console....
>
>
> The General
>

What years and are you willing to do a little work on them.
I have 6 spares but all need some level of repair, I don't usually sell my
specialty parts but could make an exception.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:58:03 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Titanium valves

hallo all.
> 
> Anyone have info on a possible manufacturing source for Titanium Head
> valves. 
> Gary J. Couse



Check with Ferrea Racing Components.    
954-733-2505.  I'm sure they can whip
something up for you.  


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:14:29 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Lic Plate Resto help

All, 
They use a solid rubber roller, haven't been in prison, but I was
fingerprinted in the service, they roll on the ink, and roll it on the
paper, should work with reg paint, thin coat, more thin ones if needed.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Lic Plate Resto help
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:35 PM
> 
> I have a set of 71 license plates that I am restoring. I striped them
> and painted the plate color. That came out great. My question is does
> anyone have any advise/techniques for painting the letters. On the other
> plates of that year it appears they were kind of rolled on. I tried
> masking it off but it doesn't come out right. I also tried useing a very
> fine roller but it dosen't work very well either. Brush leaves brush
> marks. Any ideas would be very helpful.
>                               Thanks

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:08:10 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 model kit

THANKS!

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:23:45 -0500
From: "Donna Halverson" <dhalver@attcanada.net>
Subject: tranny or rear end?

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:12:48 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 model kit

heck ya if its mint, might be as close as your going to get Vinny, so i would
grab it if you can.                       dennis                      w451973

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:17:19 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Lic Plate Resto help

use an ink roller available at an art store...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Toni Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:34 PM
Subject: Lic Plate Resto help


>I have a set of 71 license plates that I am restoring. I striped them
>and painted the plate color. That came out great. My question is does
>anyone have any advise/techniques for painting the letters. On the other
>plates of that year it appears they were kind of rolled on. I tried
>masking it off but it doesn't come out right. I also tried useing a very
>fine roller but it dosen't work very well either. Brush leaves brush
>marks. Any ideas would be very helpful.
>                              Thanks

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:12:29 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap

In a message dated 12/8/98 3:09:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:

<<  You could
 take a steering column from a 79 International Scout II and bolt it right
 in, so yuo know that the g-body ones will interchange.  The wires and all
 should have the same harness.  That's a GM standard. >>

     There is SOME difference on some of them in the 82-85 range with the
windshield wipers...all I can remeber about that swap was that the wipers
would either not park, or have no delay. But they are pretty much all
interchangeable, and there are two bolts holding the column to the dash, and
some holding the seal at the firewall (3?)  Dorian

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