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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, November 14 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1602



75, "The Deerslayer"
Re: Easy Questions
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
a goooddd day! (kinda long)
Re: Parts needed for 70 442
Couple of Questions (different dude)
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: a goooddd day! (kinda long)
Re: Couple of Questions (different dude)
Re: 75, "The Deerslayer"
Initial results: Divorced versus Internal Choke
Re: cat converter
ACDelco Rochester Carb Stuff
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: 75, "The Deerslayer"
WTB: Front 2 grilles for '86 442
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Couple of Questions
No Bauuuuugh (kinda long)
Re: Easy Questions
Re: Easy Questions
W-30 intake
Re: Cutless Door.
am/fm/CB radio
Re: am/fm/CB radio
C-ya in three weeks
1972 455 Ga heads for $50 
Re: am/fm/CB radio
Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)
Re: bumpers
Re: W-30 intake
Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: W-30 intake
Re: ACDelco Rochester Carb Stuff
Re: W-30 intake
(no subject)
Re: W-30 intake
Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
Re: Cutless Door.
Re: Starter heat soak solution.
Re: Starter solenoid solution
US Postal Money Orders
Re: Starter solenoid solution
Re: US Postal Money Orders
Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
FAQ
RE: FAQ
No more 88's or Cutlass
Re-vamped Web Page
Re: US Postal Money Orders
Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)
Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)
Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
another question
Re: another question
Q-jet
Re: another question

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:20:46 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: 75, "The Deerslayer"

All:
Just got it back from detail shop, fantastic!, looks better than when they
made it. Tickled to death. Pictures forthcoming. As soon as "K" finds me a
scanner.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:27:10 EST
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: Re: Easy Questions

They made a Delmont in 1968, cause the old man had one.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:27:02 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

fine, pick on me.
Im sorry who ever asked that
Kelly

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:48:27 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: a goooddd day! (kinda long)

Read a lot about bad days lately, so I thought I'd send you into the weekend
with this...
So they they offer me this new office... Pretty nice with a big window on the
world (big enough to jump out of if the need or desire arises) facing a fairly
well traveled road in a small Massachusetts town.  Sometimes I actually get to
pull my nose off the computer screen and look outside.
First time I look out, there goes this sweet triple black 70 Supreme
convertible.  So now I'm thinking I should spend more time looking out. What
else might I miss? About a half hour later, a saffron '70 442 (like the one on
the 442 Restoration Guide book) cruises by, followed closely by an old silver
Charger, (you know the really wide one with the hideaways and the fastback?).
A little later, an old Lincoln (vertical headlights, suicide doors, I think),
then a 41 Ch*vy DeLuxe convertible.
I'm thinkin' "what the heck is going on around here, in ~this~ town, on a
Wednesday, in November?".  After lunch, twin '63 Cutlasses, light blue
metallic, a hardtop and then a convertible (I know the owner of these babies).
So now it's time to pry my nose off the window, rather than the monitor, ya
know?  A little later, a 70's Delta, then a '71 Hemi Cuda (like Don Johnson's
on Nash Bridges -- tonite at 10:00 CBS, watch and listen for the car if for no
other reason. It gets the best airtime of any other car on TV).  Can anyone
argue that this is not the ~second~ best looking early 70's muscle car?
The parade ends and I start thinking, ya know... What a GREAT friggin' hobby
(obsession?) I just got myself into!!!  Have a great weekend folks!

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:50:09 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts needed for 70 442

Andy, think twice about the grills.  Some remakes are beautiful.  They spend a
lot of money on the molds for these and it shows.  If you have the $300...
Scott

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:27:28 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Couple of Questions (different dude)

My problem is like this.  From a stop, when I really get on it, I can get the
car up to about 60-65 and the thing starts to act like it isn't getting enough
gas, it starts doggin out, but when I let off for a couple of secs then gas it
again, It seems perfect up through whatever I want...the speedo goes to 120
but I think that it is wise to keep the rubberside down.  If I wipe out the 56
at 120 it would probably never stop tumbling......anyway the fuelpump is an
electric one, is it not pumping enough to keep up with my foot? I doubt it

Hard to tell anyway soon because I took the tranny out to fix some leaks.  Did
you know that on a car this old that the torque converter splits in half which
is 100% necessary in order to replace the front seal.  They called this a dual
coupling....also that the motor mounts are part of the tranny
crossmember...at's right started to lower the unbolted tranny and watched as
the motor came down too #$@&$*&@ !!  yes the stupid light was on.  Oh well
it's all fun since I finally got moved into the new house with the 2 stall (1
car only) garage.

Any ideas would be great as to the loss of fuel sensation....

TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:45:02 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Lawrenceville where?  Where, do you ask?  Why, there's only ONE
Lawrenceville that I know of.  It's L'ville, Ga.  Where the skies are blue
and trees are green, and men are men, etc., etc.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions


>Peter,
>Lawrenceville, where?
>Lou
>----------
>> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
>> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 5:29 PM
>>
>> 1) Could be a little too much initial advance.  Could be the armature in
>the
>> starter swells when it gets hot.  Could be the starter heat soaks.  Could
>be
>> the pistons fit tighter in the bores when the engine is hot.
>> 2) Prime suspect here is the accelerator pump in the carb.  Secondary
>> suspect is the advance diaphragm in the distributor.  If you have it
>plumbed
>> to manifold vacuum, then timing will crash when you drill it.
>> 3) Why don't you come to the Olds club meeting tomorrow in Lawrenceville?
>> E-mail me back for directions.  Like the man said, "C'mon Down".  Peter.
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:48:27 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: a goooddd day! (kinda long)

In a message dated 11/13/98 8:54:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CPEARLPARK@aol.com writes:

<< 
 So they they offer me this new office... Pretty nice with a big window on the
 world (big enough to jump out of if the need or desire arises) facing a
fairly
 well traveled road in a small Massachusetts town.  Sometimes I actually get
to
 pull my nose off the computer screen and look outside.
 First time I lo >>
   What small town in Mass?  I'm from RI just curious


Everett   OCA#  1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:50:17 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions (different dude)

Try a fuel filter.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 9:33 PM
Subject: Couple of Questions (different dude)


>My problem is like this.  From a stop, when I really get on it, I can get
the
>car up to about 60-65 and the thing starts to act like it isn't getting
enough
>gas, it starts doggin out, but when I let off for a couple of secs then gas
it
>again, It seems perfect up through whatever I want...the speedo goes to 120
>but I think that it is wise to keep the rubberside down.  If I wipe out the
56
>at 120 it would probably never stop tumbling......anyway the fuelpump is an
>electric one, is it not pumping enough to keep up with my foot? I doubt it
>
>Hard to tell anyway soon because I took the tranny out to fix some leaks.
Did
>you know that on a car this old that the torque converter splits in half
which
>is 100% necessary in order to replace the front seal.  They called this a
dual
>coupling....also that the motor mounts are part of the tranny
>crossmember...at's right started to lower the unbolted tranny and watched
as
>the motor came down too #$@&$*&@ !!  yes the stupid light was on.  Oh well
>it's all fun since I finally got moved into the new house with the 2 stall
(1
>car only) garage.
>
>Any ideas would be great as to the loss of fuel sensation....
>
>TIA
>
>Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
>Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
><<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>
>
>56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket)
><A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click
here</A>
>83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
>85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
>89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 75, "The Deerslayer"

James Fenimore Cooper had nought on you.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:21 PM
Subject: 75, "The Deerslayer"


>All:
>Just got it back from detail shop, fantastic!, looks better than when they
>made it. Tickled to death. Pictures forthcoming. As soon as "K" finds me a
>scanner.
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:26:10 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Initial results: Divorced versus Internal Choke

Tom Smith wrote;

<<  I think the integral
style is easier to adjust, not much, but easier.  The integral style also
shields the thermostatic element better, promoting longer life.  The
bi-metallic coil rusts easily on the divorced type. It only has a cheap,
stamped steel cover.  >>
<< I would go to the expense of the manifold only if you want the good feeling
 of having correct year parts on your car.  (I don't remember the year of
 your car...sorry.)  >>

Sorry, its a 1965 Dynamic 88.
Came with a 2V carb.
Correct 4V carb would be 4GC, not a spreadbore.
4GC prolly the most "rare" Roch carb.

The 1966 carb may be a GM service replacement or not due to a inlet diaphram
design that was flawed. (Not dug into it yet). Attraction is that it is
Oldsmobile's first year of Q-Jet and it is jetted right (or slightly rich).

The 1972 integral choke is jetted for a slightly rich 350. However, it appears
to have been the victim of a poor attempt at rebuilding. Some non-essential
parts are damaged (the gasket-retaining pins on bottom of main float bowl
housing are broken off for one).

The nostalgia-buff occupying Karl's left-brain wants to use the 1966 (Actually
easier to disconnect the accelerator pump arm than in later models!)
carburetor. It looks like it ~might~ be an 800cfm carb.

The thermonuclear dweeb in the right brain part knows a 72 integral is likely
a better carb for many reasons. Most reasons being all of whatever design
flaws were "engineered out" in 6 years. Definitely a 750cfm carb.

Mr. Smith's statement about integral being shielded better from underhood
elements makes perfect sense.

SOM is subject to a very dusty environ at work, add to that appreciable blowby
from a tall oil filler tube, and ya gots lots o crap on the intake.

This makes integral desirable, plus Karl like the idea of a contained E-choke.

Would like to hear more about this last.
Not know much about E-chokes.
Would any 1980's E-choke (would prefer a new ACDelco part) do for most
integral choke Q-Jets?

Lets see if Karl cannot locate a better 1970-2 IC Q-jet tomorrow.

Thanks Again!

SOM
&KA

PS: There were other replies to this inquiry. 
The relevant portion follows:

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:26:12 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: cat converter

In a message dated 98-11-11 08:52:12 EST, you write:

<< Heard something rattling around the other day. Seems it's the cat
 converter.Something must have cooked inside there and broken off. Is there
any
 way to remove it without re welding? >>

Did it ~never~ rattle before?

Asking because had thought that '76 era cats used a pellet media as support
for the catalyst.

If it is a pellet media, rattling may well be OK, or just result of
stretching/expansion of housing, or other non-malign causes.

Just another hallucination, form your own conclusion.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:26:06 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: ACDelco Rochester Carb Stuff

Best thing is to describe this by the #s.

Recieved this today (pretty quick, actually):

Catalogue # 21A-103
"ACDelco 1997 Carburetion Catalog - carburetors, kits and parts"

Yah.
Call 1-800-ACDelco and get yours

Free.
(1-800 223-3526)

What is in it?

Lessee...
First 140 pages are the intro and car makes by Maker or GM Division. Then come
Oldsmobile. Then several pages giving the code numbers for new and replacement
carbs in order of # cylinders and year/ application.
Then a listing of carb kits and control parts (choke pull-off et alii)

Yes, a # for the choke pull-off of a 1967 Toro is listed.
Nothing previous.

Then, by # cyls, year, and application, #s for Rochester Carburetor parts
!!!!!!
(with notations about what adjustments are needed for use with heavy duty
pump!)

OK the only part #s given there are; float assembly, pump assy, fuel inlet
filter, gasket set, needle and seat.

Then, beginning on p 198 is "Carb. identification."
This lists a whole lotta app. #s with the appropriate # for New/reman carb,
carb kit, float#, choke pull-off.
(BTW what ~IS~ a choke pull-off??)

App #s run from 7004475 to 17179149.

Also listings for Holleys, Carters....

Still don't think this is what was wanted when Karl called them.
(dont say what the jettings are!)

It IS slightly more akin to the auto-parts-store reman carb lookup book.

but it was free.


Blatantly non-Olds:

Would like to hear from anyone with knowledge/experience of cat-5 home wiring
or low-voltage home wiring in general.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:35:55 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Gibran, 
The Buick 455 IS NOT the same as an olds 455. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:40:35 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Peter, 
I know Lawv, Kansas, Lawv, IL., where the skies are gray and the
men---well, never mind. I was thinking. since the 75 looks so good I wanted
to show it off. But 700 miles. probably hit another deer on my way down.
Louie
                                                     .----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:45 PM
> 
> Lawrenceville where?  Where, do you ask?  Why, there's only ONE
> Lawrenceville that I know of.  It's L'ville, Ga.  Where the skies are
blue
> and trees are green, and men are men, etc., etc.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:45:48 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 75, "The Deerslayer"

Peter, 
For sure, for sure. Stood in the driveway and kept saying to myself, "Is
this really yours, felt 19 again, great feeling! I love it!
Lou
- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 75, "The Deerslayer"
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:53 PM
> 
> James Fenimore Cooper had nought on you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:21 PM
> Subject: 75, "The Deerslayer"

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:44:20 -0800
From: "Mike Lias" <mlias@thegrid.net>
Subject: WTB: Front 2 grilles for '86 442

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:48:27 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Kelly, don't take us seriously, we all care>
Lou

- ----------
> From: DonziKel@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:27 PM
> 
> fine, pick on me.
> Im sorry who ever asked that
> Kelly

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:59:56 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Lou Biggs wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> No flame, if GM thought it needed a heat shield they would have probably
> put one on, Funny, you notice it only happens on older cars. Not that GM
> doesn't F up sometimes.

I don't really think so, because my 69 had trouble from time to time
with the starter dragging, etc. when it was relatively young.  If it
still has it if I ever get it back going again I sill be happy anyway.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:01:06 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: No Bauuuuugh (kinda long)

Carb dudes..(& dudettes)

When I first got my 85 Delta, the secondaries wouldn't open on the Q-Jet. It
wasn't the air valves (top plates), it's the ~throttle~ plates that wouldn't
open.

The secondary shaft is mechanically linked to the primary through a spring
loaded lever. The spring allows the primary to open without the secondary
when the choke lock-out pin is engaged.

With engine hot, choke lock-out pin disengaged, vacuum hold-off
disconnected, the secondary throttle shaft wouldn't budge with engine
running. Engine off, no problem - absolutely no mechanical binding.

I effected a "fix" for the problem by adding an extra heavy spring in the
secondary linkage. At least at WOT it would eventually open. The spring
finally went "twang" and I'm back to no 4 bbl.

Getting really good gas mileage, but the already lame 307 really bites
without the 4 bbl. I miss my bauuugh. I wanna fix it.

Why the hell won't this sucker open?

List?

drc

ICQ 21805347
IM DavidCulen

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:31:49 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Easy Questions

Those holes are for the snap buttons to snap the boot onto. I replaced mine
with Velcro, worked great.



                                       =
                                           =
                                                =
==================================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba======
====666=================999========
        666                                  999
- ----Original Message-----
From: Shpud <shpud@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:40 PM
Subject: Easy Questions


Hi,
I've got a few more questions. Number one, what exactly are all those holes
in
the tack strip for the back of my covertible for? I'm still a little lost on
that one,
since I've never owned a c/v and have never seen this one finished before.
Second question should be really easy for some of you...did they only make
the Delmont for one year (67), how many were made and can you interchange
any parts with other 88's of the same year? Thanks!

Spruce
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:16:58 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: Easy Questions

Shpud,
	I just got back on the list today. I had a problem with my email. 
Anyway,
I replaced the conv. top on my 66 Dynamic 88 last year. If you're talking
about the 3/8" Dia. holes. They correspond with holes in the drain trough
under the deck lid. That is where the tack strip bolts onto the back of the
car. If yours is like mine, the tack strip is in three pieces. The center
hole on the longest strip is the centerline of the car and is used as a
guide for aligning the top. It's a nightmare getting the top tacked onto
the strip with the correct tightness. I don't envy you at all.
	According to my trusty Motors Manual, which dates back to 65, there 
was a
67 and a 68 Delmont. I didn't see anything before or after for that model.
I'm not sure, but I would imagine that a lot of parts are interchangeable
between the Delmonts and the Deltas.
				Kevin Noon
				66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
				85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

- ----------
> From: Shpud <shpud@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Easy Questions
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:38 PM
> 
> Hi,
> I've got a few more questions. Number one, what exactly are all those
holes in 
> the tack strip for the back of my covertible for? I'm still a little lost
on that one, 
> since I've never owned a c/v and have never seen this one finished
before. 
> Second question should be really easy for some of you...did they only
make 
> the Delmont for one year (67), how many were made and can you interchange

> any parts with other 88's of the same year? Thanks!
> 
> Spruce
> ----------------------------------------------------
> If you have ICQ my ICQ# is 1206779
> If you don't have ICQ you can page me through:
> * My Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1206779 (go there and
try it!)
> * Or you can send me e-mail to 1206779@pager.mirabilis.com
> ----------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:37:12 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: W-30 intake

Hello all, a friend of mine went ch*vy swap meeting the other day and ran
across a table that had an aluminum intake with a sign that said it was
off of a beloved (my words) Olds 455. The thing is, he said it had "W-30"
in raised letters on it! Also, the asking price was $850!!! Of course it
was a four barrel, but he can't remember if it was a spread bore or not.
Is this a rare or hard to find intake? Is the asking price a little out
of line?
Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442
'67 Cutlass S
'67 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:46:14 -0500
From: "Ron or JoAnn Hengerer" <Rhengerer@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Cutless Door.

I am not offended, you told me just what I was asking for.  Thanks for your
time.
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Cutless Door.


>Hi Ron!
>
>Get the door !!!!
>
>Do not be choosey about if it has the mirror or not!
>
>You can always have the correct mirror (if there is one) installed later.
>(Or do it yourself)
>
>The ~important~ thing is that you have located a correct door for you
>Oldsmobile!
>
>And $100 is not that much for sheetmetal !!!
>
>Karl would be damned lucky to get sheetmetal for as little as $150!
>
>Which could take an entire parts car in CO mebbe..........
>But much more than that would be spent in retrieving it!
>
>As long as it works, how big a deal is the mirror?
>
>Sorry if Karl offends.
>Write it off as another hallucination of..
>
>SOM
>&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:39:18 -0800
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: am/fm/CB radio

	Found a '78 442 in the Hayward, CA Pick-your-part lot (sniff..) and
noticed that it had an AM/FM/CB radio in it.  Think it maybe had a cassette
as well.  Was wondering, how reliable were these units?  I occasionally
play a game called CB Tag (one night my friend and I rocked!) and would
think this radio would be so neat to use (won't have to use the other radio
I use now, which is an older but good Cobra hand-held with a bad power
cord) and free the cigerette lighter up so I can use my 1 million
candlepower spotlight more while playing :)
 
Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350/TH350)
 
p.s. was thinking of saving the 442 (a Cutlass SALON of all models, what I
would give to find one running in Calif) but it is hard to get the yards to
sell a whole car, they don't like people to ressurect older iron, believe
that it was sent to the yard for a reason.  This car was black with red
vinyl 442 stripes, black interior with buckets/console, front/rear
swaybars, but an anemic 2bbl 305 chevy under the hood.  I could put the '77
403 from that 98 in there, say it was a '79 motor, and get it CARB legal,
but it would cost too much to do :(

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:47:05 -0500
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: am/fm/CB radio

At 09:39 PM 11/13/98 -0800, Mike Jones wrote:
>	Found a '78 442 in the Hayward, CA Pick-your-part lot (sniff..) and
>noticed that it had an AM/FM/CB radio in it.  Think it maybe had a cassette
>as well.  Was wondering, how reliable were these units?

I have one in my '82 98 (403).  Works fine......for a stock radio.  I was
thinking about replacing it with a modern radio, but I really like the CB
feature.

- - Uncle Pete
- - '51 98
- - '82 98 (403)
- - 86 Ciera
- - 91 Ciera

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:56:16 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: C-ya in three weeks

Off the list for about 3 weeks, vacation time in Australia !! I look out for
some nice rockets.

Bernie

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:58:35 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 1972 455 Ga heads for $50 

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so I can't know for sure.  I would like to pull the Ga heads and the =
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those.  Anyway, what was the power rating for a '72 455 (from 98 =
regency) with the Ga heads.  Also, are and by how much the Ga heads =
better then the Js.  There is also a late '70s trans am with an olds =
455.  It looks like the motor was put in recently cause paint is sill =
pretty good.  However, the motor is a J-head EGR motor.  I think that =
who ever put this motor in only painted it before install.  I think the =
Ga headed 455 would be better.  If I have time, maybe will pull one of =
the Js from that trains am to take a closer look.  Anyone know the cam =
specs for the '72 455.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:17:32 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: am/fm/CB radio

Supposedly GM had problems with reliability on the non-digital CB Delco's. I
would definately recommend matching the antenna to the cb. You have the cb go
out from not being matched, and you've wasted your money. I've got three of
the digitals, I just grab them as I see them. Most popular in the Cadi's as
well as Riv's from what I've seen in the yards. Around here, they sell for $50
(since the yards I assume don't know, or maybe just don't care.)  Dorian

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:39:47 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)

In a message dated 11/13/98 6:33:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, MFATZII@aol.com
writes:

<< My problem is like this.  From a stop, when I really get on it, I can get
the
 car up to about 60-65 and the thing starts to act like it isn't getting
enough
 gas, it starts doggin out, but when I let off for a couple of secs then gas
it
 again, It seems perfect up through whatever I want.. >>
<<.anyway the fuelpump is an
electric one, is it not pumping enough to keep up with my foot? I doubt it>>

Just went through a hard to diagnose problem on a BB Chev in a truck. Would
start bucking real bad under load. (up hill, heavy foot) Like it wasn't
getting gas. Would occasionally die. Changed electric pump 3 times. Then
thought it was vapor lock. Shielded all the fuel line with insulation. same
probelem. Put in fuel pressure regulator. No help. Finally went to mechanical
pump. Problem less often, but still there. Turn the pressure regulator down
some, voila, the problem happens at lower RPM. Take it out, problem solved.
The carb (Quadrajet) was designed for 6-9(?) psi. Fuell pressure regulator
went to 5 psi. Just not enough psi. But heat was also a problem, I assume as
the bowl in the carb started getting empty, the remaining gas started heating
up quickly, and vaporizing, causing the engine to die, and not start at times
for minutes, until it cooled somewhat. I guess what I am saying is, look for
things that would be causing too low fuel pressure, and sources of heat near
the fuel system components. Good luck, Dorian

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:46:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: bumpers

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, adam olson wrote:
> Does anybody remember where the "bumper palace" is. I accidently erased 

I've got a card from "Bumpers Galore" in New Brunswick. Contact Carl
Murray, 506-734-3398 or email murray@auracom.com (that might be an old
addy though, I think auracom no longer exists).

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 07:48:47 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-30 intake

In a message dated 98-11-14 00:41:36 EST, you write:

<< The thing is, he said it had "W-30" in raised letters on it! Also, the
asking price was $850!!!  >>

Yup.
Seen worn ones for $600.
It is made out of aluminum, but that is the only difference between it and the
stock cast iron intakes the unremarkable big blocks get.
If you need aluminium, go Edelbrock, at least they flow better for 1/3 the
cost of "W-30" lettering.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:17:35 EST
From: KASOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)

	Has anyone had an experience rebuilding a car after a fire in the 
engine
compartment?  A friend of mines Ch*vy truck recently had a fire.  The electric
choke is melted off the carb, distributor is melted, all hoses and wiring are
melted.  The paint is fried on the fenders and hood.  The engine itself (454)
probably did not suffer any internal damage.  The truck was worth about $5000.
Is this worth fixing?  If we attempt to repair it are we going to run in to
more problems than we think?  Please share any experiences or opinions.

Thanks.
Keith
(70 442)

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:07:01 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Sorry to beat this into the ground, but for the sake of correctness, let me
address the following:

===============

no no no, no there is little similarity between the two they share  bore
and
stroke dimension that is it....KK
_________

Actually, the Olds 455 has a bore of 4.125" and a stroke of 4.250".  Do the
math, and you'll find that it actually displaces a little over 454 cubic
inches.

The Buick 455 has a bore of 4.313" and a stroke of 3.900".

===============

...They are both 455ci, but they share almost nothing in common (the Olds
is a hellofalot
better...
_________

You're right, they share nothing other than the distributor cap and the
bellhousing bolt pattern, but I suspect that the short-stroke 425 Olds fans
on the list might take exception to your last comment.  Note that with the
Stage 1 heads and this revving ability, the Bufords tend to do quite well
in the quarter mile.  The infamous Stage 1 Buick vs. Hemi GTX upset years
ago in Muscle Car Review (or whatever they were called at the time) is
still talked about.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:58:36 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: W-30 intake

The thing is, he said it had "W-30"
in raised letters on it! Also, the asking price was $850!!! Of course it
was a four barrel, but he can't remember if it was a spread bore or not.
Is this a rare or hard to find intake? Is the asking price a little out
of line?
_________

It should have said W-455.  If so, this is the factory aluminum intake used
on 70-72 W-30s.  Most 1970 W-30 intakes said OLDSMOBILE W-455, while the
late production 1970s and all the 71-72 intakes said OLDS W-455.  Going
rate at most swap meets seems to be in the $600-$650 range.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:17:50 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: ACDelco Rochester Carb Stuff

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> (BTW what ~IS~ a choke pull-off??)

        Also called a vacuum break.  It opens the choke slightly right after 
the
engine starts to supply enough air for the engine to run.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:54:46 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-30 intake

fred, you didnt by chance get a ph # did you?   steven, in cushing, okla.

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:50:46 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:28:10 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 intake

I think that the cast and alum. intakes of that vintage had no difference
but the material they were made off.  Unless you absolutely need one for
correct resto., get a Edelbrock.


- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 14, 1998 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: W-30 intake


>In a message dated 98-11-14 00:41:36 EST, you write:
>
><< The thing is, he said it had "W-30" in raised letters on it! Also, the
>asking price was $850!!!  >>
>
>Yup.
>Seen worn ones for $600.
>It is made out of aluminum, but that is the only difference between it and
the
>stock cast iron intakes the unremarkable big blocks get.
>If you need aluminium, go Edelbrock, at least they flow better for 1/3 the
>cost of "W-30" lettering.
>
>SOM
>&KA
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:30:12 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)

I think that for $5000 you can get new fenders, hood, carb, have it painted
(the whole thing), and still keep some dough.  Is it worth it.  Up to your
friend.  Does he like the truck, does he have insurance, blah, blah.  Igor.


- -----Original Message-----
From: KASOLDS@aol.com <KASOLDS@aol.com>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 14, 1998 6:20 AM
Subject: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)


> Has anyone had an experience rebuilding a car after a fire in the engine
>compartment?  A friend of mines Ch*vy truck recently had a fire.  The
electric
>choke is melted off the carb, distributor is melted, all hoses and wiring
are
>melted.  The paint is fried on the fenders and hood.  The engine itself
(454)
>probably did not suffer any internal damage.  The truck was worth about
$5000.
>Is this worth fixing?  If we attempt to repair it are we going to run in to
>more problems than we think?  Please share any experiences or opinions.
>
>Thanks.
>Keith
>(70 442)
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:49:28 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cutless Door.

> Get the door !!!!
>
> Do not be choosey about if it has the mirror or not!

Second that. I added a factory right-side mirror on my '76 Cutlass
(changed the left-side-only chrome mirror for a pair of color-keyed
sport mirrors); it's not a big deal to do. Just drill two or three
holes and you're all set. Use the hole locations on the driver's
door as a guide. Just remember: "Measure three times, cut once."

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:00:48 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Starter heat soak solution.

I can second this solution.  My '63 Chevy has headers.  Heat soak started
about 6mos. after installing shorty headers.  The first attempt to stop this
problem was a home made shield out of aluminum but didn't work.  Second
attempt was with a starter blanket which worked for awhile but eventually
the problem occured again.  The final solution was a kit from J.C. Whitney.
I know you can simply buy a Ford solenoid some wires and two piece batt
cable but I wanted the kit with instructions.  Work great, detailed
instructions and no more heat soak!  I have not had this problem with my
Olds but if I do I will try the blanket first since I don't have headers.
But as my luck would have it I will probably have to install a Ford-type
solenoid.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

>David Booker wrote:
>
>1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
>engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
>reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like it
>would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?
>
>Ooo, Ooo, (hand up), It's called "heat soak". When the starter armature
over
>a period of time receives enough radiant heat to swell within the starter
>housing. As they heat they usually expand at fairly consistent rates. The
>cool down cycle is more the cause, (I believe). The housing by contrast is
>lot less dense than the armature core. When you shutdown the engine after a
>period of time of cooling, the starter housing starts to cool and contract
>around the armature. The armature contains heat longer and contracts slower
>than the housing. Hence the housing tends to squeeze the armature. Sort of
>putting the brakes on it's self. There are also electrical aspects at play.
>Anyone else got that side of it?
>
>- -----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:15:44 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Starter solenoid solution

Lou,
    They did.  If you look on later model (early '70s) full size V-8
vehicles you can find a factory heat shield.  I have seen this in several
boneyards.  That is why my first attempt was a metal shield.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
>
>Andy,
>No flame, if GM thought it needed a heat shield they would have probably
>put one on, Funny, you notice it only happens on older cars. Not that GM
>doesn't F up sometimes.
>Lou
>
>- ----------
>> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
>> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 4:00 PM
>> I think the usual fix discussed around here involves putting a heat
>> shield on the starter, which is threatening to seize from the heat.
>> Is your cooling system in good shape? Maybe it's running hotter than
>> it used to.
>
>> Non-functioning accelerator pump, perhaps?
>>
>> -- Andy

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:26:39 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: US Postal Money Orders

Just a point of information to the US list members.
A lot of you like the security of sending US postal money orders up to me
and others.
As of this week Ontario Banks are not accepting Postal money orders.  
So anyone who was or are in the process of sending one, don't cause i can't
cash them.

Thank you..

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls, Canada
905-357-4454
Parting
1969 Cutlass
1970 442

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:29:47 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Starter solenoid solution

Jim, 
Didn't know that, usually just happens on older cars or if you install tube
headers, they really blast the starter with heat. Can you adapt one of
those shields to fit. Might be his cure. Thanks.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Jim & Sharon Brady <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Starter solenoid solution
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 12:15 PM
> 
> Lou,
>     They did.  If you look on later model (early '70s) full size V-8
> vehicles you can find a factory heat shield.  I have seen this in several
> boneyards.  That is why my first attempt was a metal shield.
> 
> Jim Brady
> 1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
> bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:32:13 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: US Postal Money Orders

Bob, 
Is the US Gov. in that much trouble, mebbe they know something we don't.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> Subject: US Postal Money Orders
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 12:26 PM
> 
> Just a point of information to the US list members.
> A lot of you like the security of sending US postal money orders up to me
> and others.
> As of this week Ontario Banks are not accepting Postal money orders.  
> So anyone who was or are in the process of sending one, don't cause i
can't
> cash them.
> 
> Thank you..
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
> Niagara Falls, Canada
> 905-357-4454
> Parting
> 1969 Cutlass
> 1970 442

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:51:16 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)

KASOLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
>         Has anyone had an experience rebuilding a car after a fire in the 
engine
> compartment?  A friend of mines Ch*vy truck recently had a fire.  The 
electric
> choke is melted off the carb, distributor is melted, all hoses and wiring are
> melted.  The paint is fried on the fenders and hood.  The engine itself (454)
> probably did not suffer any internal damage.  The truck was worth about 
$5000.
> Is this worth fixing?  If we attempt to repair it are we going to run in to
> more problems than we think?  Please share any experiences or opinions.

Well, FWIW, I've had a couple done over the years.  As you have noted,
anything plastic, rubber or other burnable/meltable items in the general
location of the fire gets roasted.  Generally the block itself and most
of the other metal components are not hurt unless they were what caused
the frie in the first place.  The few I have done were not all that bad,
but then again I chose what I wanted to repair and you don't have that
option.  I had to replace the carb and attachments, wiring, belts,
hoses, alternator/generator (been too long to remember which) distri
cap, etc.  As far as the sheetmetal, I didn't have to do anything except
take the burnt parts down to the metal and started back up again.  I did
have to replace the hood hinge springs as they expanded when the BBQ was
in progress and would not hold up the hood.  I had no problems with the
from that time on related to the fire and was probably one of the best
cars I've owned.  Wife tried to kill it by trying to run it without
every fluid possible, coolant, oil, gas, brake fluid just to name one or
a few.  The car still runs almost 20 years later.  

But back to your question.  Other than making sure the items you need
are easily available and cost effective, the main concerns to me would
be to check the body panels for warping and knowing that some electric
systems tolerate splicing a lot better than others.  Obviously if you
can get the wiring pieces and replace them without having to splice, you
are ahead of the game.  It looks better and the possibility of a bad
conenction is greatly reduced.  One thing I have learned over the year
is to find out if the parts you need are on a cheaper model, ask for
parts for a cheaper model.  Sometimes the yard guys will charge a little
less because they think you aren't as wealthy.  I have to admit this
doesn't work as well as it used to, but sometimes they still will cut
you a bit of a brake.  One final (and obvious) thought, if you can get
your burnt vehicle and the donor vehicle next to each other it makes it
a lot easier to do the work correctly.  Second best is to take pictures
of a similar vehilce without any damage for reference.  Trust me, with
the amount of wiring and plumbing on most vehicles anymore, there will
be something you don't remember where it went or remember it
incorrectly.  If repaired correctly, you should have no more problem
with it after the fire than before.  Maybe even less, because unless the
fire had some assistance in starting whatever caused the fire is no
longer around.  Good luck.

Don Sowers

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:58:37 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)

Hope you can read what I meant instead of how I said what I said in the
last post.  Should have proofread it BEFORE sending.  Brain waves are
apparently a little off center today.  Sorry.

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:21:53 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <Elric@dclink.com>
Subject: FAQ

I just need to get this out, becasue alot of people have asked quite a few
questions, and the only answer they get is to look at the FAQ.  Well, there
is somewhat of a problem with that, as there are quite a few people who do
not have full net access, but DO have email, and just use that.  So, telling
people to use the FAQ will work for alot, but not all of the people who may
or may not be on the list.

Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:37:57 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: FAQ

> is somewhat of a problem with that, as there are quite a few people who do
> not have full net access, but DO have email, and just use that.

If anyone would like a copy of the FAQ, I could e-mail it to you...less than 
700k.  It might take a little longer to download your e-mail once, but you'd 
have the full version of the FAQ.

Again, if anyone would like a copy, please *privately* ask for one.  :-)

Jason K. Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-mail: jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:48:43 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: No more 88's or Cutlass

A quote from the recentest Car Craft:
RUMOR:  The Oldsmobile 88 will die in June '99.  Along with it will go the
Olds Cutlass and Buick Riviera.  Of those nameplates, the Cutlass is the
youngest, dating back 35 years.

I've heard that it's official about the Cutlass being gone, actually i
thought it already was...
Anyone know?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:13:28 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re-vamped Web Page

I just re-did my whole web page. If any are feeling brave, i'd
appreciate it if you'd check it out and tell me if you like it. Just
click on the link below.

Thanx ladies + gents!!!!
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mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:24:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: US Postal Money Orders

Wonder why the banks won't take a US postal M.O. anymore?

Anyway, FWIW, I have never had a problem cashing a US cheque from a
personal account at a bank up here. The US $ is pretty universal.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:45:52 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)

thanks for the responses....YES THERE IS A FILTER..sheesh.....another
question..If I remove the regulator all together, is there a pretty good
chance that I would get too much pressure and overpower the float
needles/sets? Maybe I'll just back off the screw on the regulater a
little.....

Ryan

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:16:28 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions (different dude) (fuel?)

In a message dated 11/14/98 12:47:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, MFATZII@aol.com
writes:

<< thanks for the responses....YES THERE IS A FILTER..sheesh.....another
 question..If I remove the regulator all together, is there a pretty good
 chance that I would get too much pressure and overpower the float
 needles/sets? Maybe I'll just back off the screw on the regulater a
 little.....
 
 Ryan
  >>

Ryan,
     What kind of carb are you using? I don't know if you said. Mechanical
fuel pumps, according to my Chiltons, put out anywhere between 5-9 psi. 455
Olds seem to require 5.5-6.5 psi, while the Chevy's require 7.5 to 9 on all
motors after about '73. Why there is a difference I don't know. And this book
HAS been known to be wrong before. Also, the Roe Quadrajet book, states that
the filter should never be placed BEFORE the fuel pump. I assume that applies
to all carburetors, not just quadrajet's. The principle I assume is the same,
as long as it isn't FI. Dorian

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:22:06 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)

What was the cause of the fire and how hot did it get? Did the windshield
crack or dash burn?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: KASOLDS@aol.com
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Engine compartment fire (Ch*evy)
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 7:17 AM
> 
> 	Has anyone had an experience rebuilding a car after a fire in the 
engine
> compartment?  A friend of mines Ch*vy truck recently had a fire.  The
electric
> choke is melted off the carb, distributor is melted, all hoses and wiring
are
> melted.  The paint is fried on the fenders and hood.  The engine itself
(454)
> probably did not suffer any internal damage.  The truck was worth about
$5000.
> Is this worth fixing?  If we attempt to repair it are we going to run in
to
> more problems than we think?  Please share any experiences or opinions.
> 
> Thanks.
> Keith
> (70 442)

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:53:14 -0500
From: "Shpud" <shpud@hotmail.com>
Subject: another question

Thanks for the help with the last few little questions, here's one more. I 
can't 
get my car to start anymore, when you turn the ignition, the car clicks every 
2 
or 3 seconds, doesn't turn over and dims every light in the car to almost non-
existant. The other day, I cleaned the posts and terminals and charged the 
battery all up, so that seems to be fine, and I turned the ignition and this 
time it 
just about turned all the way over but didn't quite make it. I read the post 
reply 
from David Booker about a problem which sounded similar to mine except I 
don't seem to be getting any smoke coming from under the hood...any 
suggestions?

Spruce
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:14:14 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: another question

In a message dated 11/14/98 1:55:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
shpud@hotmail.com writes:

<< Thanks for the help with the last few little questions, here's one more. I
can't 
 get my car to start anymore, when you turn the ignition, the car clicks every
2 
 or 3 seconds, doesn't turn over and dims every light in the car to almost
non-
 existant. The other day, I cleaned the posts and terminals and charged the 
 battery all up, so that seems to be fine, and I turned the ignition and this
time it 
 just about turned all the way over but didn't quite make it.  >>

     Got a question and experience of mine to add to this. My 403 used to be
hard to start..would turn over, fire then die. So I would have to crank it
twice every time to start it. The battery finally quit. I went to the auto
store and bought a cheap battery, with no indication of it's CCA. Well, it
wouldn't work on my car. After about two attempts, the thing would be so dead,
it wouldn't turn the motor anymore. 
     I replaced starter, solenoid, then finally the battery (dumb me, at least
the other things were lifetime warranty, therefore free) The battery is at
least 800CCA, Perhaps 1000. Hwever, I don't know what Olds calls for cranking
amp wise for the batteries. Anyone know? Could this be causing  Spruce's
problem, or is it more likely just a solenoid problem? How about old Battery
cables, even though the terminals may be  clean? Would they perhaps not be
letting enough "juice" through? Dorian

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:11:56 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Q-jet

Hi there Olds folks,
Two questions:
1.  I've been spending most of my time with the newly spawned g-body list,
and I'm just wondering how things are going over here.  Is it all calm and
cool now?  hope so...

2.  Do I remember hearing a lot of talk about q-jets coming standard on
Oldses, and probably many gm's?  My brother and I are hoping to find one for
his ScoutII, as they supposedly have a good off-road reputation, and I'm
just wondering if most Oldses or GM's are likely to have them.  We'll be
going to Harry's U-Pull-it, the coolest place around!

Thanks for any input...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:16:17 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: another question

>     I replaced starter, solenoid, then finally the battery (dumb me, at
least
>the other things were lifetime warranty, therefore free) The battery is at
>least 800CCA, Perhaps 1000. Hwever, I don't know what Olds calls for cranking
>amp wise for the batteries. Anyone know? Could this be causing  Spruce's
>problem, or is it more likely just a solenoid problem? How about old Battery
>cables, even though the terminals may be  clean? Would they perhaps not be
>letting enough "juice" through? Dorian
> 
It probably is a solenoid problem (luckily they are cheap).
I also need a HUGE battery with the 403, a 875 CCA, they are not cheap :(

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