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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, January 2 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1696



[none]
Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?
Re: NONE
My Olds is shaking!!!
Re: NONE
Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?
Updated Website/New domain/Olds of the Week
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Oldsmobile in the movies....
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: [Weatherstrip]
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: Seinfeld's Supreme
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: 69' model Oldsmobile delta 88 FS...
V8 in a Starfire?
Re: top speed (4-bangers)
Re: Oldsmobile in the movies....
Re Olds in the movies
Re:adds on the list
Re: general blather
Re: more MC leak
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: Oil Pressure (was Cold weather starting problems)
Ad: FREE Equipment Buyers Guide and More..
Broken Rocker Stud
back again
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: 66 wiper wiring
Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP
Back on list and HEI Q's
Re: Re:adds on the list
Lost Links
Re: adds on the list
Re: Broken Rocker Stud
98 tire sizes
Re: adds on the list
Re: Re:adds on the list
RE: Car for sale
Re: adds on the list
Parts 4 Sale - Early 60's mostly!
Re: adds on the list
Re: back again
Re: Back on list and HEI Q's
parts for sale
Re: adds on the list
Re: back again
Re: Broken Rocker Stud
Re: adds on the list
Re: 98 tire sizes answered
RE Adds on the list
Re: A/C Wiring Part II
Re: adds on the list
Re: 98 tire sizes answered
Re: adds on the list
Re: 98 tire sizes answered
owners manual
' 73 Cutlass part wanted
Re: V8 in a Starfire?
Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia)

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:46:58 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:58:57 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?

  My vote is just put
>a 307/350 in it and save the hassle.


Mike,
Great idea, but impractical as I recall the car in question to be one of the
'85 and up FWD jobs.  My suggestion would be to find another engine out of a
'89 or up 3.8 FWD car.  Shouldn't be too hard to find these days.  I forget
the VIN codes, but the 3.8 gained a balance shaft and a much more durable
timing set in the late '80s.  From that point on, it was a pretty solid
engine.
Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:05:51 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: NONE

>I'm new to the list.  I know that some Toronados in the early-mid 70's
>had airbags.  Did they work like airbags today?  Does anyone have a
>picture of one?  Was the steering wheel alot bigger than ones w/airbags
>today?  @what speed was it designed to go off?  What Oldsmobiles had
>airbags then besides Toros?
>
>Thanks, Justin

Airbags could be ordered in '74-'76 88, 98 and Toronado.  Basic operating
principles are similar to the "Generation 1" bags of the late '80s and early
'90s.  IE, do not go off at a set speed, but rather when sensors are tripped
by crumpling of the body panels past a given point during an collision.
Buick also offered these as an option, I presume on Riviera, Electra and
LeSabre.   I am not sure about Cadillac.  Kevin Wong  might know.   As for
steering wheels, they were larger in the center section and resemble some of
the early 4 spoke air bag wheels of the late '80s and early '90s.  I know
they had soem trouble with the horn contacts, as I have a copy of a TSB on
that.
Regards,
Fred
>
>--
>
>Get your FREE PRIVATE EMAIL at http://www.www2000.net/
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:17:43 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: My Olds is shaking!!!

Whooops!

Sorry, guess its just me.

Nevermind!

Happy holidays!

From

Karl Aune
And Soylent "Ocean Mist"!

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:23:07 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: NONE

In a message dated 1/1/99 10:47:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jgassaway@www2000.net writes:

<< 
 I'm new to the list.  I know that some Toronados in the early-mid 70's 
 had airbags.  Did they work like airbags today?  Does anyone have a 
 picture of one?  Was the steering wheel alot bigger than ones w/airbags 
 today?  @what speed was it designed to go off?  What Oldsmobiles had 
 airbags then besides Toros?
 
 Thanks >>
all 1974-75 88's, 98's and Toros had it available as an option

Everett  OCA #1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:24:40 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?

Uh, I knew that, uh, just trying to see if anyone was
paying attention.  Yeah, that's it!  I mean't to say
that.  Honestly, I did!  You could cut the fender,
lengthen the nose, relocate the front tires......

Anyway, spaced out on that little detail about being
FWD, my apologies.

Mike B

>  My vote is just put
>>a 307/350 in it and save the hassle.
>
>
>Mike,
>Great idea, but impractical as I recall the car in question to be one of
the
>'85 and up FWD jobs.  My suggestion would be to find another engine out of
a
>'89 or up 3.8 FWD car.  Shouldn't be too hard to find these days.  I forget
>the VIN codes, but the 3.8 gained a balance shaft and a much more durable
>timing set in the late '80s.  From that point on, it was a pretty solid
>engine.
>Regards,
>Fred
>
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:40:46 -0600
From: "Joe S" <jcrash7@geocities.com>
Subject: Updated Website/New domain/Olds of the Week

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Thanks, and I hope to enjoy displaying everyone here's car over time!

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:17:52 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

Where can you get the GM originals?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Frederick Nissen <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 8:47 AM
> 
> In my experience, the GM weatherstrip is much softer and better fitting
than
> any of the aftermarket replacement stuff.  I have installed NOS GM
> weatherstrips and never had a problem.  With the exception of Steele, I
have
> had problems with ALL of the aftermarket brands.
> Regards,
> Fred
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
> 
> 
> >
> >>as I have said before, the door didn't need to be slammed, just was
harder
> >to
> >>shut then a car with original weatherstripping
> >
> >Not intending to perpetuate this thread any further but
> >when it is said that it is harder to shut than original is it
> >meant as it came from the factory or after 20 to 30 yrs
> >of deterioration?  I ask as an interested 3rd party since
> >my 68 needs new weatherstrip.  The way it sounds to
> >me is the factory weatherstrip might have been hard
> >"as installed" but loosened up and conformed to the
> >windows by the time it got to the dealer.  I know my
> >original weatherstrip has a permanent indention from
> >the window in it which I'm sure isn't the way it was new.
> >
> >Just wondering,
> >Mike B
> >mbloomer@gateway.net
> >ICQ# 19113713
> >72 Cutlass S (RIP)
> >68 Cutlass Supreme
> >
> >

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:30:24 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

I am using Mondello's lifters also. They tend to be noisy but my exhaust
2.5" drowns out the noise. Mondello even states that the valvetrain noise
is noticeable.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 7:22 PM
> 
> I'm somewhat glad to start hearing that people are experiencing noisy
> lifters with the Mondello setups. For a while I'm thought I was the only
> one. I have a JM-16-18 cam for my small block and I'm using Mondello's
> lifters (as a package) including Mondello's springs. When I rebuilt the
> engine I used brand new but stock rocker valve setup but the whole thing
was
> just too noisy for my liking. I bought the CompCam high Energy adjustable
> roller rockers thinking that they would cure the problem, but not
entirely.
> Still, after many valve clearance adjustments and checks there are still
> noisy. Better, but I can still hear  them. GM lifters you say, Arnold.
Well
> I just might try these out. For a moment there I thinking about changing
to
> Rhoads, but I too am starting to get a bad vibe from others. 
> 
> 	Question: who else is using Mondellos' lifters and getting a noisy
> valve train...? A quick survey might help us confirm this hypothesis...
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Arnold, W D[SMTP:w.d.arnold@lmco.com]
> > Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent: 	Friday, January 01, 1999 11:24 AM
> > To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> > Subject: 	RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
> > 
> > You may be onto something here... I used the GM std lifters with my
> > mondello
> > cam with no noise. A friend was using Rhoads lifters in his 455 TA with
a
> > similar cam. His was very, very noisy. We wasted many hours and much
beer
> > trying to 'adjust' the valves.  We ground and shimmed bridges time and
> > time
> > again.  The more we asked around the more we started hearing horror
> > stories
> > about those Rhoads lifters. So, we traded in one night of valve
adjustment
> > for a night of installing new lifters.  No more problems. I could have
> > quickly placed my right boot against his left cheek that night but, he
> > didn't really know it was gonna cause us that much trouble. 
> > 
> > Since this episode 8-10 yrs ago, I have been told by the masses to be
> > aware
> > of the Rhoads lifters. I'm sure it's not the brand name but, the type
of
> > lifter they are.  Maybe other companies also produce this type and that
> > could be the source of alot of noise after a cam/lifter change.  Could
it
> > be
> > antipump lifters? Just stabbing in the dark...
> > 
> > I now have the COMPCAMS lifters (I don't know if they are 'antipump' or
> > not)
> > in with my 292 magnum. I have adjusted (really just checked) the lifter
> > preload twice in the 17,000 miles after the initial setup.  They are
> > working
> > great for me.
> > 
> > 
> > > ----------
> > > From: 	RARE73OLDS@aol.com[SMTP:RARE73OLDS@aol.com]
> > > Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Sent: 	Friday, January 01, 1999 10:14 AM
> > > To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: 	Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
> > > 
> > > I was using a special  mondello lifter with the comp cam and the
modello
> > > cam.
> > > I dont remember what type..mondello suggested it with those cams .The
> > > factory
> > > 328 cam I have in the 425 has gm lifters so maybe the problem was the
> > > lifters.
> > > Thanks for all the info Donny...
> > > 
> > 

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:36:25 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile in the movies....

                Everyone was talking about "Demolition man " not too long ago,
I was
    just wondering why no one has mentioned "Dirty Work". It has a ' 71
Cutlass
   convertible in it, that although it's not cherry, it's a nice car, that
just needs a good  
   paint job, I really liked the movie, and I'd recommend it. 
   Best wishes for the new year
    from......Steve M.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:05:46 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

In a message dated 12/31/1998 7:54:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
restoman@netscape.net writes:

<< Yeah, but I'll keep them to myself as you don't take advise very well at
all. >>


Sure I do.....    I just think ya went a bit overboard on this whole thing,
Honest.

Anyhow, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!

Bill K

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:07:57 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Weatherstrip]

In a message dated 1/1/1999 12:24:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Socalolds@aol.com writes:

<< Bill K,
 The Metro seals are excellent repos and offer a 15 year quarantee. Don't be
 worried they are of fine quality.
 
  >>
Cool, Thanks!


Happy New Year!
Bill K

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:09:58 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

In a message dated 1/1/1999 2:32:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mbloomer@gateway.net writes:

<< The way it sounds to
 me is the factory weatherstrip might have been hard
 "as installed" but loosened up and conformed to the
 windows by the time it got to the dealer >>


The original GM seals were of a much softer material (I did find, but did not
purchase some NOS) and were hollow.  The Soft Seal was a harder, denser rubber
with no hollow spot.

Bill K

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:12:04 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

In a message dated 1/1/1999 9:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET writes:

<< With the exception of Steele, I have had problems with ALL of the
aftermarket brands. >>


I think I got one of their catalogs once, will have to check them out.
Thanks!

Bill K

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:27:32 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Seinfeld's Supreme

> I was watching a "Seinfeld" rerun tonight and noticed that the car he was
> driving was a Cutlass Supreme, probably a '72. Don't know if it appeared
> in any other episodes, never saw this one before. In the past discussion
> of Olds on TV I don't remember this being mentioned. 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> 
Its funny that you say this.  I saw the same episode tonight, and thought
of saying the same thing.
I have seen the car in one other show, thats all.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:33:52 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 12:17 AM
> 
> Where can you get the GM originals?
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 

How can you tell GM's from aftermarkets?
I might have a spare set but would like to make sure they are GM first..

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:06:33 -0500
From: "jackkopf" <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 69' model Oldsmobile delta 88 FS...

Chris

Can you tell me   1)2 door or 4 door?
                              2) location of car ?

Jack
- -----Original Message-----
From: C. Casteel <earthsci@pop.usit.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 1, 1999 10:51 PM
Subject: 69' model Oldsmobile delta 88 FS...


>Another one from the newsgroups...
>
>
>
>>69' model Oldsmobile delta 88.  Power Steering, Air,
Automatic.  This car was
>>given to me through the death of my great grandfather back
in August 1998.  He
>>quit driving this car in 1990.  It has set in garage(out
of the weather) ever
>>since his death back in August 1998.  It hasn't been
started since 1990 up
>>until it was given to me in August.  It has 49,000
original miles.  The moter
>>is a 350 rocket. It would be a very good car to refinish.
The inside is in
>>excellent shape.  Blue vinel seats with a blue leather
dash.  The outside is
>>in good shape as well.  No bondo!!  No rust!!  The
passenger side has a couple
>>small dents.  I assume due to a ditch.  I have no use for
this car and wish to
>>sell.
>>If you are interested, please feel free to write back with
any questions you
>>may have.  If you would like to see a picture of the car,
I can send one
>>through email or snail mail.  Just send your address.
>>EllisC@highland.net
>>Hope to hear from ya,
>>Chris
>

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:52:37 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: V8 in a Starfire?

Just wondering what ever happened to all those V8 Vegas that were featured in
the car mags 20 years ago? And it seemed like every street squirrel around had
a V8 Vega project in the garage.
Did anyone out there ever put a small block Olds in a Starfire for street use?
Would that be the best hp/weight ratio for an Olds?

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J/2

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:41:58 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: top speed (4-bangers)

I had a '86 Taurus with a 2.5L 4-cylinder.  I hated this car.  It took 18
sec. or so to get up to 60 and it had no passing or merging power.  It was a
3-speed auto and was capable of 110 MPH.  It took a little while and a level
road but it did get there.  The noise coming from the engine suggested that
it was turning some nasty RPMs.  My girlfriends Acclaim with a 2.5L can get
up to 100 or so but it also takes a while and my friends Dodge Colt 1.5L
carburated can achieve a astounding 75 MPH downhill.  As for my '81 Delta
with a 455 and formerly 2.41 rear.................140 mph no problem in a
hurry.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 04:18:55 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile in the movies....

Might as well throw in the 72 Cutlass convertible (I think
that's what it was) from "Kingpin".  On a similar note I
re-watched "Dazed & Confused" and managed to find
3 Oldsmobiles.  All look like 71 Cutlass', 2 "S" models
and a Supreme.  Among other notables that I never saw
mentioned were:

71 Coupe DeVille
68 Firebird
69 Torino
?? Jaguar E-type
7? MGB
68 Bonneville
58 Fury
67 Satallite
64 Belvedere
65 Impala
58 Bel Air

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>
>                Everyone was talking about "Demolition man " not too long
ago,
>I was
>    just wondering why no one has mentioned "Dirty Work". It has a ' 71
>Cutlass
>   convertible in it, that although it's not cherry, it's a nice car, that
>just needs a good
>   paint job, I really liked the movie, and I'd recommend it.
>   Best wishes for the new year
>    from......Steve M.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:30:47 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re Olds in the movies

In Kingpin two Cutlasses were (I think) used it looks like one at the start
of the movie is a 70 442 then later it looks like a 71 or 72 Cutlass
Supreme.


Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 09:37:25 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re:adds on the list

Hello,
 I think at least the multiple item, commercial type adds should be kept off 
of this
list. Anyone looking for part will know to look at the classifieds. I wish the 
list
boss would stop these posts.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:24:28 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: general blather

>Happy New Years to All!
> Are there any Olds G body owners here?.......

You'll find more of them on the G-Body list, http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/

>Any good recipes for an built 350 Rocket for either of theses bad
>boys?...Preferably for under $2000 and must be emissions(IM 240) passable?

307 / 350 swaps are common discussion material here. Your problem is the
contradiction of terms - "built" v.s. "emissions passable". Most performance
mods also increase smog.

Consensus is that only a mild cam, like the one in your 442, will pass HC
emissions. Low compression, probly no more than 8.5:1 is required for NOx,
even with EGR. You'll also need A.I.R. injection which means either:

1) Drill and tapping the A.I.R. holes in the 350 heads or
2) Finding a California or 1980 engine (with holes already drilled) or
3) Using 5A heads from an earlier 307.

You originally asked for a recipe to get into the 13's....that won't happen
if you gotta pass IM 240.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:28:37 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: more MC leak

Right on Mike, 
Its in the book in stone
Lou
- ----------
> From: mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: more MC leak
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:16 AM
> 
> Definately bleed the rears if you broke the line.  Proper way to
> bleed the system is to go from the wheel farthest away to the
> one closest to the MC, as in RR, LR, RF, LF.  Sometimes it is
> also advisable to bleed again after you drive the car a while,
> especially if the pedal starts to get "spongy".  This is due to
> air working it's way through the system. 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:33:04 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

Ray, 
A Blue Javelin is better then a Vega when you are snowbound. It has more
desirable characteristics.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:35 AM
> 
> How about a Blue Javelin?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:42:42 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure (was Cold weather starting problems)

>Now I have a new problem of inadequate oil
>pressure.  I am going to look at a new oil pump next.
>


The 231 engine uses the aluminum timing cover as an integral part of the oil
pump. Steel gears against aluminum - the pump cavity inside the timing cover
wears. Replacement pumps come with a selection of springs that can
compensate somewhat for this wear.

But as someone else mentioned, this motor is notorious for bearing problems.
Rebuilding the oil pump will be a temporary fix at best. Fortunately the
pump is cheap and (at least on RWD cars) easy to replace. I did it twice on
my 78 Omega.

drc

------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:50:38 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Broken Rocker Stud

Hey Again Folks,

    Well I went to go adjust my valves again last night.  I hacked the top
out of some old valve covers and started the car.  I backed off the #1
cylinder's intake rocker and noticed immediate improvement.  I backed it off
just a little more (maybe a quarter turn) and heard clacking, so I went to
tighten it back a little and BOOM!  The engine coughed, fired about twice,
and gave it up.  Upon further inspection we found that the rocker stud had
broken!!!  Apparently the shock had destroyed the loc-tite, too, because the
stump unscrewed from the head with fingers (another surprise)

    Has anyone had this problem?  This was a Mondello stud kit, and they
claim that their studs are all chrome-moly...but I'm not sure it I buy it.
If it was chrome-moly, shouldn't the push rod have bent first?  What could
cause this kind of thing to happen?  I have an SAR-455 rocker kit and a
JM-20-22 camshaft.  I'm fairly sure that I didn't bind the coils, but I
don't really know what else could pump enough force into that stud to break
it!  It is the stock 5/16" diameter stud going into the head.

Seriously Frustrating.

Thanks for any advice!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 08:58:33 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: back again

Hello all... I fell off of the face of the earth there for a few days,
but I'm back now with a whole new set of problems/questions.  I'm doing
a street/strip performance mod to a '72 Cutlass Supreme.  The engine
will be a 455/462 with flowed and match ported Edelbrock heads (which my
builder just received, so they must be in production again), Crane
rollers, Edelbrock Performer RPM, Barry Grant Silver Claw, J&E +.030",
Eagle H rods, Comp Cams Extreme Energy cam (specs to be determined once
flow numbers are in), etc.  Estimated HP is in the low 500's.  Trans
will be a B&M S/S TH 400 with Munzinger 2600 TC and Hughes SFI plate.
Rear tires will be BF Goodrich Comp T/A Drag Radials 275/60R-15 (28"
height, approx.).  Regarding the rear end, I'm switching to a 12 bolt
w/Auburn limited slip and U S Gear 3.42:1's (already purchased) and
Moser or Strange 30 spline clipless .  I've been getting conflicting
advice on traction control, however, and I'm totally lost on what to
do.  One argument is not to use bars like SSM's because they limit body
roll too much and the car will be difficult in high-speed corners.  I do
intend to _drive_ the car on the street as a daily driver.  Any comments
there?  Another argument is all I need is polyurethane bushings in the
OEM bars and anti-hop attachments such as from Hotchkis, Lakewood, or
Edelbrock and that I don't need new boxed bars, too.  I will
occasionally weekend bracket race.  How about a comment or two on that
one?  Lastly, I'm wondering about rear anti-sway.  Anybody with
experience in these areas?  Looking for some balance in the
rear...        Roger:)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:18:59 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

Monica Lewinski owns an all original 69 Blue javelin...driven only in DC 
traffic...!!  Care for a test drive..!!!



From:          "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>

Ray, 
A Blue Javelin is better then a Vega when you are snowbound. It has more
desirable characteristics.
Lou

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:35:18 EST
From: Fireman431@aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 wiper wiring

Thanks for the return mail.

I have the square wiper motor with 4 blade terminals.
The wiper switch has 3 blade terminals.

Any help is appreciated.

Larry

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:37:45 EST
From: Fireman431@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP

Try the later model OLDS such as 65-66. Bolt patterns should match. If that
doesn't work, you can change axles to a later model for easier parts.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:29:23 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Back on list and HEI Q's

Howdy All,

Well, after a couple of weeks off the list I'm glad to be back.  I spent
a few days visiting friends in Fairview Heights, IL.  Then I turned
north to see my family in Rockford, IL for a few days more.  Now, I'm
back in Washington D.C. bracing for the return to insanity that I was
free from while in the midwest.  The Cutlass started right up when I got
back (had to do the trip in the minivan...wife and four kids don't
travel well for 900 miles in an A-body).

Now for my Olds question...which is actually a repeat.  I'm considering
the HEI swap.  I have an Edelbrock OL4B intake.  Awhile back there was
some discussion about clearance on these intakes.  Apparently, HEI will
not clear the big block intake, O4B, but may clear the small block
intake, OL4B.  I'd appreciate some clarification on this.  Will the HEI
clear my OL4B and, if so, how close does it come?

Thanks.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:45:12 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Re:adds on the list

Personally, 
I read them like the Bible, never know when something you need with pop up,
my vote, keep them coming.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:adds on the list

Hello,
>  I think at least the multiple item, commercial type adds should be kept
off of this
> list. Anyone looking for part will know to look at the classifieds. I
wish the list
> boss would stop these posts.
> Dave Brode
> 64 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:18:07 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Lost Links

It seems that while moving my Web page files to a new computer that I lost a
bunch of stuff. I had to revert to an older version of my Olds Links page
and have lost all the links added in the last two months. Please check and
if your link is not there, please send a direct email and I'll add it ASAP.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:35:07 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Lou Biggs wrote:

> Personally,
> I read them like the Bible, never know when something you need with pop up,
> my vote, keep them coming.

 I agree
Brian Kerr

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:39:03 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Broken Rocker Stud

Hey John,

Maybe you turned the rocker too quiclky for the lifter to bleed off
pressure.  I'm afraid the cam might be damaged as well.:-(

Just my negative $.02

Jeff Carter,
blue442@webtv.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:27:18 -0500
From: "jackkopf" <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
Subject: 98 tire sizes

I was wondering if anyone on the list would know, what is
the
largest tire size that will clear the skirts on a 70 "98" ?

Jack

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:26:11 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Enough of the add stuff...keep them coming along with tech stuff..just enjoy
life and those Olds' that drive us . Harry  from NJ  46 Musclecars and
counting...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:43:03 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Re:adds on the list

David

Sad to see a fellow oldsmobiler feel that way.   This list is an excellent
forum for advise and to post helpful parts and car forsale information.  At
one time or another we have all had to search for parts to restore our
dream toy.  This list allows opportunity for people to find their parts, in
an atmosphere of trust.
Before I joined this list, I never bought used parts through long distance
classified ads.  The list restored my faith in allowing me the opportunity
to sell an buy many parts from the members of this list.
As long as the parts, questions, or comments are OLDS related, please let
them fly.


Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:adds on the list
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 9:37 AM
> 
> Hello,
>  I think at least the multiple item, commercial type adds should be kept
off of this
> list. Anyone looking for part will know to look at the classifieds. I
wish the list
> boss would stop these posts.
> Dave Brode
> 64 Cutlass
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:49:15 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Car for sale

Sorry to post to list...

Did you get my private reply.  I think I sent it to the right address.  What
is your address, so that I can reply privately.  Thanks man.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:57:46 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> David
> 
> Sad to see a fellow oldsmobiler feel that way.   This list is an excellent
> forum for advise and to post helpful parts and car forsale information. 

.......snipping a bit........

> classified ads.  The list restored my faith in allowing me the opportunity
> to sell an buy many parts from the members of this list.
> As long as the parts, questions, or comments are OLDS related, please let
> them fly.

Bob for president, er, prime minister.  (Sorry, I forgot you were in
Canada for a minute there.)  Want to trade Bill Clinton and a couple of
cars for your head person?  I'm sure that if we took up a collection a
viavble deal could be ARRANGED...   :)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:58:45 -0500
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Parts 4 Sale - Early 60's mostly!

I have been trying to organize all these extra parts that I have and put
them on a list so I know where they are, and this is as much as I have
done so far. All of these parts are FOR SALE. If you are interested or
need one of the parts listed here you can contact me by e-mail
"mcfrlan@bconnex.net" or my home phone number 905-936-3381. 

Cliff McFarlane - Tottenham, Ontario, Canada
1962 Ninety-Eight-(parts)
1962 Starfire conv.-(wedgewood mist, in restoration)
1962 Starfire htp-(red, parts)
1963 Starfire htp-(antique rose, future project)
1963 Starfire htp-(wedgewoodmist,restored)          
http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
1963 Starfire conv.-(navy blue, parts)
1957 Ford Fairlane 500 conv.-(red/white, restored)

NO PARTS ON THIS LIST ARE FOR F-85 VEHICLES

EX= excellent     F= fair
VG= very good     P= poor
G= good

BOX A
  YEAR         QUANTITY  PART#      DESCRIPTION               CONDITION

1963 All           2    586805  headlight door                  1.F 1.VG

1962-1964 All      1    584413  washer fluid bottle             EX  

1963-1964 All      1    587996  gas pedal                       VG     

1961-1963 All with 1    588033  brake pedal                     EX 
       power brake

1963 All exc.S/F   1    382293  trunk lid emblem exc. S/F       EX     

1963 Dynamic 88    1    4895718 roof ?Holiday? script LH side   G
     & Super 88

1963 Dynamic 88    1    4895717 roof ?Holiday? script RH side   G
     & Super 88

1963 All           2    5953854 parking light assemblies        VG

1963 All           1    587272  glove box lining                VG     

1963 Super 88      1    380207  fender script ?Super 88?        G   

1963 Dynamic 88    1    5953951 LH taillight housing & lens     VG
     & Super 88

1963 Dynamic 88    1    382299  trunk lid ornament              F 
     & Super 88

1963 All exc.98    1    897654  rear license lamp               G   

1963 All exc.D88   1    380208  RF w/o flange                   G

1963 All exc.D88   1    380209  LF w/o flange                   G

1963 S/F & 98 SC   1    588130  tachometer package              G  

1963 S/F & S88     3    380240  RR rocker panel heel moulding   G

1963 S/F & S88     3    380241  LR rocker panel heel moulding   G

1963 Starfire      1    5954120 RH taillight housing & lens     G

1963 Starfire      2    5954125 LH taillight ornament           G 

1963 Starfire      1    5954119 LH taillight housing & lens     F

1963 Starfire      2    5954123 LH taillight lens               1.F 1.VG

1963 Starfire      1    380216  RF fender insert moulding       G      

1963 All           1    586936  RF bumper extension             G

1963 All           1    586937  LF bumper extension             EX

1956 All           1    568189  power antenna switch            VG  

1956 All           1            ignition switch                 G      

1963 Starfire      1    3802000 RF fender moulding              F

1963-1964 All      1    588049  through, main wiring harness    G

BOX  B
  YEAR         QUANTITY  PART#         DESCRIPTION            CONDITION

1963 All           1    587176  upper right gravel deflector exten.  VG

1962 Starfire      1    381174  front fender script ?Starfire?  P

1961-1963 All      2    4775786 vent window handle              G      

1962-1964 All      2    4839529 door locking knob               G      

1963 Starfire      1    5954120 RH taillight cluster            F      

1963-1964 All exc. 1    588465  rear window defroster switch    N.O.S   
       s/w & conv

1963 All exc S/F   1    4740279 rear seat back radio grille     G

1963 All           1    982136  AM radio (working)              VG

1963 All           1    982136  AM radio (works very well)      G      

1963 All           1    982137  wonderbar radio (not working)   F      

1963 Starfire      1    3802000 RH front fender moulding        G

1963 Starfire      1    3802001 LH front fender moulding        G

1963 Starfire      1    380216  RH front fender insert moulding G

1963 Starfire      1    308217  LH front fender insert moulding G

1963 All           1    982136  AM Radio (working, no knobs)    F   

1963 All           1    1116633 ignition Switch w/key           G    

1963-1964 All      1    588397  map light w/lens                EX     

1963 All           1            glove box door with lock        VG     

1963 All           1    587798  clock bezel & clock             VG     

1963 All           1    5715852 RH door striker plate           G

1963 All           1    5715853 LH door striker plate           G      

1963  All          1            windshield washer switch (w/knob) VG    

1959-1965 All      1            RH windshield wiper arm(deluxe) G    

1959-1965 All      1            LH windshield wiper arm(deluxe) G

1963 All           1    1995125 headlight switch exc.guidematic G

1963-1964 All      1    982145  manual radio antenna package    G

BOX C

  YEAR        QUANTITY   PART#       DESCRIPTION              CONDITION

1963 All           1    586926  RH front fender extension       VG     

1963 All           1    586927  LH front fender extension       VG     

1963 All           1    4787463 RH interior door handle         G    

1963 All           1    4787464 LH interior door handle         F   

1963 All           1            parking brake lever assembly comp.   G

1963-1964 All      1    588188  RH engine side filler plate(plastic) VG

1963-1964 All      1    588189  LH engine side filler plate(plastic) VG

1963 All           1            dashboard instrument cluster    VG
                                (speedometer & gas gauge)

1963 All           1    587496  RH instrument panel ash tray    G

1963 All           1    587497  LH instrument panel ash tray    G

1963 All           1    1119507 voltage control regulator       VG
                        with 4-way  connector

1963 All           1    1993595 power brake stop lamp switch    EX

1963 All           1    7282543 heater control system comp. non air G

1963-1964 All      1    2981123 negative battery ground cable   G

BOX Z (parts are to big for boxes)

    YEAR       QUANTITY  PART#         DESCRIPTION            
CONDITION        
1963 S/F & S88     2    380204  RF wheel opening moulding       1.F 1.G

1963 S/F & S88     2    380245  LR wheel opening moulding       1.P 1.G

1963 S/F & S88     1    380205  LF wheel opening moulding       G      

1963 S/F & S88     2    380244  RR wheel opening moulding       P

1963 S/F & S88     1    380204  RF wheel opening moulding       VG

1963 S/F & S88     1    380205  LF wheel opening moulding       F       

1963 Super 88      1    380200  RF fender moulding (S88)        VG  

1963 Super 88      1    380201  LF fender moulding (S88)        VG

1963 Super 88      1    382275  LH ¼ panel moulding (S88)       VG

1963 Super 88 2dr  2    382238  door moulding (S88)             1.G 1.VG

1962 Super 88      1            trunk capet set                 N.O.S

1963 Super 88      1            trunk carpet set                N.O.S

1963 Super 88      1    4392453 LH door panel (S88) with p/w    G

1963 Super 88      1    4392454 RH door panel (S88) with p/w    G

1963 Super 88      1    4410115 LH K-B board (beige)            VG

1963 Super 88      1    4410114 RH K-B board (beige)            G

1963 Super 88      1    380291  upper rear moulding (cast)      VG

1963 All           1    587389  front bumper                    VG

1963 All           1    587564  dashboard safety pad            VG

1963 S/F & S88     2    382245  ¼ panel crown moulding          G

1963               1            Complete motor 394 4bbl,        VG   
                                runs good, should be rebuilt

1963               1            Hydramatic transmission         VG
                                (red fluid)

1963 All           1    587183  front aluminum gravel deflector VG

1963 Super 88      1            RH  windshield lower reveal mldg. VG

1963 Super 88      1            LH windshield lower reveal mldg.  VG

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:06:56 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Will throw in a Vega
Lou

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: adds on the list
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:57 PM
> 
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > Sad to see a fellow oldsmobiler feel that way.   This list is an
excellent
> > forum for advise and to post helpful parts and car forsale information.

> 
> .......snipping a bit........
> 
> > classified ads.  The list restored my faith in allowing me the
opportunity
> > to sell an buy many parts from the members of this list.
> > As long as the parts, questions, or comments are OLDS related, please
let
> > them fly.
> 
> Bob for president, er, prime minister.  (Sorry, I forgot you were in
> Canada for a minute there.)  Want to trade Bill Clinton and a couple of
> cars for your head person?  I'm sure that if we took up a collection a
> viavble deal could be ARRANGED...   :)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:05:09 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: back again

>The engine
>will be a 455/462 with flowed and match ported Edelbrock heads (which my
>builder just received, so they must be in production again), Crane
>rollers, Edelbrock Performer RPM
<snip>

Sorry, but there is not RPM for big blocks.  You'll have to settle for 
the torker or std performer.

>Rear tires will be BF Goodrich Comp T/A Drag Radials 275/60R-15 (28"
>height, approx.).    I've been getting conflicting
>advice on traction control, however, and I'm totally lost on what to
>do.  One argument is not to use bars like SSM's because they limit body
>roll too much and the car will be difficult in high-speed corners.  I do
>intend to _drive_ the car on the street as a daily driver.  Any comments
>there?  Another argument is all I need is polyurethane bushings in the
>OEM bars and anti-hop attachments such as from Hotchkis, Lakewood, or
>Edelbrock and that I don't need new boxed bars, too.  I will
>occasionally weekend bracket race.  How about a comment or two on that
>one?  Lastly, I'm wondering about rear anti-sway.  Anybody with
>experience in these areas?  Looking for some balance in the
>rear...        Roger:)


Don't have much experience with the SSM lift bars except
that they usually hang dow below the car which I don't 
personally care for.  I have had good luck with the poly 
bushings and anti-hop bars.  They sell adjustable upper
bars for serious bracket racers, and it looks cleaner and
keeps the sleeper/stock look going.  One of the benefits of 
the poly bushings is it will help keep the axle centered side to side
during cornering, where the rubber bushings will let it shift an
inch or two.  You could run up to 295's in the back with good
clearance (what I ran in my 72, 10.5" slick also fit fine) and 
with that much tire you don't need a rear bar for normal driving.
My suggestion is box the stock arms, go for the poly bushings,
and add a rear bar later if the suspension setup needs it.  The
F body front spindle conversion is also something I would 
recommend for the handling and the better brakes.  The 
comprimise you have to make is that to handle well you need
stiffer springs but for drag racing you have to soften it up for
wieght transfer.  You just have to decide what you want.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:17:29 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Back on list and HEI Q's

I won't pretend to know for sure either way but if the intake is on the 
motor now it should be an easy thing to check.  Find a Olds with an
HEI and measure how far it sits from the block to the bottom of the 
main body.  Then measure the diameter.  See how these figures
match the dist you have now and you should be able to see whether
it would clear or not.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Now for my Olds question...which is actually a repeat.  I'm considering
>the HEI swap.  I have an Edelbrock OL4B intake.  Awhile back there was
>some discussion about clearance on these intakes.  Apparently, HEI will
>not clear the big block intake, O4B, but may clear the small block
>intake, OL4B.  I'd appreciate some clarification on this.  Will the HEI
>clear my OL4B and, if so, how close does it come?

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:24:05 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: parts for sale

Lunati cam and lifters - Bracketmaster II, .496/.520 lift, 224/234 duration
@.050 lift: $60, only break-in time on this cam.
Holley carbs - #3310 (750 vac. sec):$120 and #4780 (800 dp):$150 both
rebuilt and in excellent condition, never had gasoline in them since
rebuild.
Early 80's 442 leather-wrapped steering wheel with center cap, excellent
condition: $45.
Holley street dominator intake for small block, excellent condition: $125.
Edelbrock Performer for small block, excellent condition: $125.
Hurst AutoStick 3 shifter, new in box $100.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:25:31 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

How much for the Vega? :-) 

- -----Original Message-----

>Will throw in a Vega
>Lou

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:30:49 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: back again

I have noticed that the Performer for big block has a fairly high profile
like the Performer RPM. Also, lowering and chamfering the plenum divider
will  *supposedly* bring it up into an effective RPM range similar to the
Performer RPM.

- -----Original Message-----

>Sorry, but there is not RPM for big blocks.  You'll have to settle for
>the torker or std performer.
>

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:42:56 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Broken Rocker Stud

Have seen this happen before, though not on an Olds, where the rocker
during high lift makes contact with the stud itself.  The same reason for
the need for "long slot" rockers on sb chebys.  Might want to check into
it.  Shorter pushrods could be the solution.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>  I backed it off
>just a little more (maybe a quarter turn) and heard clacking, so I went to
>tighten it back a little and BOOM!  The engine coughed, fired about twice,
>and gave it up.  Upon further inspection we found that the rocker stud had
>broken!!!  Apparently the shock had destroyed the loc-tite, too, because
the
>stump unscrewed from the head with fingers (another surprise)
>
>    Has anyone had this problem?  This was a Mondello stud kit, and they
>claim that their studs are all chrome-moly...but I'm not sure it I buy it.
>If it was chrome-moly, shouldn't the push rod have bent first?  What could
>cause this kind of thing to happen?  I have an SAR-455 rocker kit and a
>JM-20-22 camshaft.  I'm fairly sure that I didn't bind the coils, but I
>don't really know what else could pump enough force into that stud to break
>it!  It is the stock 5/16" diameter stud going into the head.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:48:33 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: adds on the list

In a message dated 1/2/99 12:56:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:


 Want to trade Bill Clinton and a couple of
 cars for your head person?  I'm sure that if we took up a collection a
 viavble deal could be ARRANGED...   :)
  >>
 
I think "head person" is a bad choice of words when talking about Mr.
Clinton..........lol

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:52:53 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 98 tire sizes answered

 prob a 225-75-15..

olds guy ga   came with  L-78 -15 in 1970

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:16:07 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: RE Adds on the list

I do not have a problem with adds being placed on the list, I read all of
them and look forward to them as well. You just might come across that one
item that you are looking for. Please keep them coming!

looking for H/O rims good condition
H/O top plate for L/R
console for the same
please email me if you these parts w/ price

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:37:56 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: A/C Wiring Part II

jon
        thanks for the a/c wiring inffo it helped
                                                 jim

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:08:08 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Come and get it!!!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: adds on the list
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 3:25 PM
> 
> How much for the Vega? :-) 
> 

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:13:46 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: 98 tire sizes answered

>  prob a 225-75-15..
>
> olds guy ga   came with  L-78 -15 in 1970

I have 235 75 15's on my 75 Delta with room to spare

Mark

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:20:07 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

Thanks to this list I have been able to purchase parts for my 75 Delta
from the comfort of my home. No being out in the rain or snow or hail or
heat or dead of night trying to scrounge parts. Keep the offers coming.
I'll do business with anyone on this list.
To say the least, this list is the best thing since sliced bread. (no I
don't know what was best before sliced bread)

Happy New Year

Mark

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:24:42 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 98 tire sizes answered

225/65/15 on 75 CS, no speedo change, room for a lot more under there. Have
origs 215/70/15 on SSII wheels.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 98 tire sizes answered
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 5:13 PM
> 
> 
> 
> >  prob a 225-75-15..
> >
> > olds guy ga   came with  L-78 -15 in 1970
> 
> I have 235 75 15's on my 75 Delta with room to spare
> 
> Mark

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:32:28 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: owners manual

I have an original owners manual for a 1971 big car 
NINETY-EIGHT
CUSTOM CRUISER
DELTA 88 ROYALE
DELTA 88 CUSTOM
DELTA 88

along with the CUSTOM CRUISER folder
and an original warrantee certificate
and the plastic sleave for it imprinted with the 
maintenance plan info and the warrantee info in gold and black
the sleave has some stains on it from red paint or something like that
if anyone is interested drop me an E-mail privately...KK
kerryk@cwix.com 

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:37:57 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: ' 73 Cutlass part wanted

            Hello all, I'm looking for a fiberglass piece that bolts on the
bottom of  the
   front nose piece. It's the piece that is directly behind the license plate,
and it's
  underneath the front bumper. This part is only available on the ' 73's. If
anyone has
  one of these, or knows of where one might be, I'd greatly appreciate it if
you'd 
  e-mail me privately at Bbymks4@AOL.com
  Thanks in advance from........Steve M.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:38:38 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: V8 in a Starfire?

Randy,

Both Dave Smith and Warren Johnson had V-8 Starfires, Dave's actually had an
Olds engine in it.

On the street?  Don't know of anyone that had an Olds V-8 in one, there were
some that came from the factory with the C-word 305's in them.  Now, when I
get the chance I want to do this, but that won't be for
awhile.................

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:55:35 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia)

On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:35:36 -0800, Greg Pruett <gregp@intrlink.com>
wrote:

>Unlike some GM 4 cylinders (Like the pontiac 4 cylinder, which I 
>believe was a V-8 with a cylinder bank lopped off.)...

Depends on which Pontiac 4 you refer to.  This is indeed true of the 
rope-drive Tempest's 4-cylinder.  The later "Iron Duke", which I believe 
made its way into some Oldsmobiles (there's the Olds content) was 
actually as I understand it the old Chevy II/Nova four, which was a 
small Chevy II six minus two cylinders.  This tooling made its way to GM 
do Brasil after Chevy dropped it as a Nova option, and when it returned 
home, was adopted by Pontiac, who wanted to put it into Astres and 
Sunbirds in place of the Vega engine.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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