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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, December 20 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1676



Re: '99 Olds Nats??
Big cars
Re: If they have Vista-Cruisers...we should have some too
Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale
Re: Electronic Delco AM/FM/cassette FS
Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: A/C Wiring Part II
Re: Rear woe
1970 442 parts car and parts for sale
Re: ENGINE OFFSET
Re: Signing off for a while (Was Re: '99 Olds Nats??)
starefire GT engine swap
Re: 72 HURST OLDSMOBILES
Re: Big cars
Re: Valve Spring Height
Re: passing emissions tests (was long post)
Re: passing emissions tests (was long post)
Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)
Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)
W-30 H/O (was: w-29 option)
Re: starefire GT engine swap
Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards
Re: 72 HURST OLDSMOBILES
Re: W-30 H/O (was: w-29 option)
Cowl Tag Codes for '70-'72
Olds and Corvairs (was F-Bodies)
Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)
Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards
How do I find out what its worth?
Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds
Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards
No Oldsmobile POS here..
Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds
57 Olds
Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds
Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale
Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds
SV: Once more into the breach, dear friends: You are all ignoring Karl
AZ olds club?
Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)
Re: Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)
Early Christmas Present
Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)
RE: Early Christmas Present
Re: valve spring installed hieght
Tranny Q's 700R4
Re: No Oldsmobile POS here..
Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)
Re: Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)
Re:restricted racing info[long] 
Re: passing emissions tests (long post)
RE: 1970 Olds Delta 88
Re: passing emissions tests (long post)
bashing the 350 Buick[non Olds content]
Re: Vista Cruiser tailgate
Buick engines
'67-72  Parts for Sale
Dimming courtesy lights

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:17:21 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: '99 Olds Nats??

SOM, 
Tell K that Belleville, IL is south of Chicago, so is most of the rest of
the state. K, you travel much? Just putting you on, keep me informed about
trip.
Lou

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '99 Olds Nats??
> It's south of Chi-town right?
> 
> Must be on the way...somehow!
> 
> Not a prob.
> 
> K

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:15:18 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Big cars

Did the full size (88/98/Toro) ever come with a 4 speed?  I know Ch#vy
offered it in some rare cases, but did Olds?

I would love to find a 70 Delta 88 Conv with a W30 4 speed!!  

What a dream, eh?

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:18:48 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: If they have Vista-Cruisers...we should have some too

Do you want to launch her?, talk with Joe P.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>

> I am looking for a VC for a wife mobile. Please tell us more.
> 
> Mark Hahn
> 75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
> Cincinnati, Ohio

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:20:26 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale

Yep, 
Two!
Lou

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> From: CCRR12@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale
> 
> Are there some other guys on the list with cars their fathers left them?
> 
> Randy in Okla
> 57 88 J2

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:20:52 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Electronic Delco AM/FM/cassette FS

In a message dated 12/19/98 1:05:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<< Remember a few days ago we were talking about how certain modern Delco
 sound systems fit mid-70s Olds dashes? I found one on eBay that I think is
 what was being discussed. Take a look:
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=49745771
 
 I'd buy it myself but I'm eBay'ed out right now... no cash!
 
 Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada >>

     Greg, the ones you are talking about were quite common in the full-size
GM cars of the early to mid 80's. If anyone is interested, it would be the two
post ones, (post on each side) that look just like the analog (non-digital?)
but digital...MANY combos of what features the radios could have. Just thought
I'd pass that along, Dorian

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:21:41 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale

My aunt gave me mine, does that count?
Kelly
1966 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:18:29 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

ok the seat itself is the same you will need new foam buns and a hog ring
kit other than that no problem...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)


>the pattern in question is from a 69 GTO or lemans poncho if you will...KK
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
>To: Oldsmobile E-mail Ring <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:07 PM
>Subject: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
>
>
>>I have a question about the bucket seat coverings in a 1969 Olds
>>Cutlass S. Does anyone know what the grain looked like in them? Are
>>they the same design as the 69 442's? I figured that they would be the
>>same, but when I looked at my Paddock catalog, the 69 442's looked
>>different. Mine have this type of Y in the middle of them. In the
>>middle of the Y is a small decorative, rectangle, piece of metal. Are
>>these seats from something else? The guy I bought the car from said
>>they were 69 Cutlass seats, but now I am questioning this. Can anyone
>>help?
>>
>>TIA
>>Del
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>==
>>Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>>rockman20@yahoo.com
>>1986 Honda Accord DX
>>1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
>>1981 John Deer Snowmobile
>>197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
>>1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
>>_________________________________________________________
>>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:16:27 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: A/C Wiring Part II

Jim,

I don't know what year car you're working on, but I've sent you two 2 JPEGS
privately.  One is a schematic and the other is a pictoral diagram of a
'72.

Let me know privately if they don't come through or you need them in a
different format.

Hope this helps,

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net

'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
(near the end of a 5 year frame off customization)

'60 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce
(completely in pieces, perfect body, long term restoration)

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:30:52 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rear woe

Rare Olds is correct, MUST use correct torque on compression sleeve to
obtain correct preload on bearings, red loctite after is also a good move,
they're not to supposed to back out and get loose but they do!
Lou
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> From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rear woe
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 10:34 AM
> 
> I hope your not listening to these guys who say just torque to specs ,
just
> tighten, add locktight, do What I said thats the right and only way for
your
> rear to be set up correct....thanks again for the reply on my answer 2
days
> ago..have a great holiday 

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:35:31 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: 1970 442 parts car and parts for sale

I have just picked up a 1970 442 parts car with good quarters small holes but
would make excellent patches(around the wheel wells soild southern car)call
for more  info. 4 core radiator support in good shape little rust $150 or best
offer. floor shift colum, black in good shape $50 OBO,one that needs paint
$40. front and rear bumper cores in decent shape 50 for both with all lenses
and lights $75. rear quarter glass in great shape $50 for pair. rear window
$50. front sway bar $25. 1970 442 frame SOLID $100, car has a few other things
on it and in good shape e-mail with your needs and will let you know about the
condition. I am in Fayetteville NC (910)487-1540. Thanks Chris

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:35:33 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ENGINE OFFSET

All, 
Have to go with Joe P., my 75 CS is 100% stock, 350 engine is NOT offset,
come by and measure it, we'll see who buys the drink!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ENGINE OFFSET

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:38:55 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Signing off for a while (Was Re: '99 Olds Nats??)

Joe, 
I use it for a diet supplement. 
Lou
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Shouldn'd be hard, right?  All you need is a small box to hold all the
iron
> oxide powder...  ;-)
> 
> Joe (I used to own one) Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:48:38 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: starefire GT engine swap

I was all over the car today and the more that I look at it the more i want to
do this car. The initial cost will be 200 for the bodyand 350 for motor and
trans (403 +T350 running believe it or not). it has a complete interior (needs
a little work) and no gas tank but would do a fuel cell anyway. small engine
compartment. the car was a V6 car with air and auto. nothing in there now and
still it looks small compaired to the 442. Does any one know the dimensions of
a 231 V6 and the dimensions of a olds small block? if I remember right the SB
is in Mondello's motor manuel, but no V6 info. I don't believe that there is
any way that I could fit a 425/455 in there and close the hood.  With the
small block would have to use manifolds (no one makes headers I'm sure. I
think that this would be a interesting toy for street/strip.  Any ideas would
be a help. Thanks Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
V8 STARFIRE GT ?

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:52:33 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 72 HURST OLDSMOBILES

Various lists ?  What about B and C bodied cars ?  Anybody know of a list
dedicated to the Senior cars ?  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 3:52 PM
Subject: 72 HURST OLDSMOBILES


>Got to thinking today (Okay, I know this is a rare occurrence, but it's
>raining pretty hard in KY.) about a previous attempt or two at people
>organizing lists of various types of Oldsmobiles.  I was wondering if
>anyone has or knows of a list of 72 Hurst owners currently available.
>Having said that, I would like to try and get the following info  on
>these cars:
>
>VIN
>Date of manufacture
>Options OTHER than the usual ones (i.e. sunroof, manual trans, gauge
>package, etc)
>Current mileage
>Owner
>City and State of location
>Telephone number if you would like to provide it
>Other relevant info
>
>Please send any information to me direct to 1. cut down on list traffic
>and 2. to kind of keep the responses a little more private.  If you send
>this info and DO NOT want it to go any further, please state that in
>your email.  I WILL NOT RELEASE ANY INFORMATION TO ANYONE ON THESE
>VEHICLES UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.  (As a tax accountant I am used to
>dealing with confidential information, so that is not a problem for
>me.)  I have gotten more than a little curious about the VINs and how
>spread out they are amongst the other Cutlai in 1972 from some of the
>VINs I see going across the list.  So, I figured the best way to find
>out about them was to ask.  With only 629 (220 or so with the sunroof I
>believe) of them out there, I am curious as to how many survive.  I have
>heard of two that are no longer around over the years.  Thanks to anyone
>that choses to help out. I have been on this list about two years, so I
>have no outside agenda for trying to get this together.  I would
>appreicate any information you chose to volunteer (not a good word in
>Ky).  If this information is already available somewhere hopefully
>someone can give me an idea where to access it.
>
>Don Sowers
>Nicholasville, Ky
>72 Hurst 3J57UM223485
>69, 70 an 72 Cutlai

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:02:48 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big cars

In a message dated 12/19/98 4:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Thomas_Martin-
WLTM07@css.mot.com writes:

<< 
 Did the full size (88/98/Toro) ever come with a 4 speed?  I know Ch#vy
 offered it in some rare cases, but did Olds?
 
 I would love to find a 70 Delta 88 Conv with a W30 4 speed!!  
 
 What a dream, eh?
  >>
  Have never seen one of those. There was a guy at the Olds Nationals in
Springfield this summer with a 70 Delta conv "455" with a 3 speed on the
column. He had ordered it new.

Everett    OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:54:35 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Valve Spring Height

Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> What is the correct height for valve springs for a 71 G Head, which I think
> has rotators on both intake and exhaust valves? Don't the heads with
> rotators take a different height spring  than non-rotator heads?


Brian,

The installed height of stock style springs is 1.670".  
On heads with rotator style retainers, the spring seat 
in the head is machined deeper to compensate for the 
thicker rotator style retainer.  
If you are using an aftermarket camshaft, you will
want to use the mfgs. recommended springs for that
cam.  Which may require a different installed height.
Be sure to follow the mfgs. specs.  In the case of
heads equipped with rotators, you can install taller
springs (or ones that require a higher installed height)
by using the earlier solid style retainers.  And shim
the springs to the specified height.

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:19:26 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (was long post)

Thank you for the assist, Lou.  To the group: I'm sorry my posts tend to run
long.  I'll work on that.  It's just that I used to be a teacher in my former
life and I can't seem to stop.
Roger:)  rkp@uswest.net    (proud owner of a '72 Cutlass Supreme that's
undergoing a major performance enhancement)

Lou Biggs wrote:

> Roger,
> Just a thought to the folks, that 14.7 mixture is in weight, not volume,
> hence, gasoline is a tad heavier then air, so, were talking about a whole
> sh*tload of air compared to the fuel. Just a clarification, well said,
> Roger!
> Lou Biggs
> lbiggs@intertek.net
>  --
> > From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (long post)
> > Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 9:23 PM
> >
> > Barb... Perhaps I can shed some useful light on the emissions issue.  I
> > promise not to go overboard and... snip  (darn, that was long).

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:39:42 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (was long post)

Roger, 
Me too, I over explain everything, you did fine on this one.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (was long post)
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 4:19 PM
> 
> Thank you for the assist, Lou.  To the group: I'm sorry my posts tend to
run
> long.  I'll work on that.  It's just that I used to be a teacher in my
former
> life and I can't seem to stop.
> Roger:)  rkp@uswest.net    (proud owner of a '72 Cutlass Supreme that's
> undergoing a major performance enhancement)

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:32:03 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)

Did the full size (88/98/Toro) ever come with a 4 speed?  I know Ch#vy
offered it in some rare cases, but did Olds?

I would love to find a 70 Delta 88 Conv with a W30 4 speed!!

What a dream, eh?

Thomas Martin
____________

Well, as far as the Toro is concerned, Olds only built a TH400-based FWD
tranny for that car, so you'll never see an MT version.  The B-body cars
_were_ available with an MT, but I believe it was only the three-speed on
the column (the parts book _does_ show the clutch linkage for this setup,
for example).  BTW, the W-option for the hi-po 70 Delta would be the W-33,
which was based on the police package.

Also, while we're talking about 4 speed cars, I've seen some references in
the factory literature that indicate that the VC was available with a 4
speed in at least the 1969 model year (and possibly others).  You _could_
get a 4 speed with a bench seat in the other A-body cars, so this isn't
outside the realm of possibility.  Anyone ever see one of these rarities?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:48:42 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)

Olds did have the 4spd in the Starfires  and Jetsar 1s in 65 and 66. I found
my dad a 66 Starfire w/425 and 4spd with buckets , all black, real nice all
orig car I got from the orig owner......Harry  NJ     73 Olds Cutlass S
455/4spd. 8,920 orig. miles

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:38:07 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: W-30 H/O (was: w-29 option)

I've read many places that the W-30 was not available on the H/O in 72
which means someone probably owns one somewhere.

Steven
__________

Hurst Corp's fact sheet on the 72 cars lists the W-30 as an available
option.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:18:38 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: starefire GT engine swap

SOMMERVLLE@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I was all over the car today and the more that I look at it the more i want 
to
> do this car. The initial cost will be 200 for the bodyand 350 for motor and
> trans (403 +T350 running believe it or not). it has a complete interior 
(needs

My book says that the 1979 Starfire GT could be ordered from Olds with a
305 V-8 in it.  How that engine compares exterior dimension wise to the
350 and bigger blocks.  Good luck on usind the shoehorn.  :)

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:23:58 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards

Peter & all,

        The Clock Doc has the stuff to repair these to as good as new. Cost is
$80.00

Jim Chermack

At 12:53 AM 12/19/98 , you wrote:
>Have a '67 RP in need of an unburnt circuit board. Have heard that these are
>being repro'd, but do not know where to get. Anybody know?
>TIA
>Peter
>CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:47:49 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: 72 HURST OLDSMOBILES

Peter Berusch wrote:

> Various lists ?  What about B and C bodied cars ?  Anybody know of a list
> dedicated to the Senior cars ?  Peter.

<snip>

here is one list for the senior circuit
            gmfullsize@vampire.org
not much traffic though

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
Cincinnati, Ohio

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:57:57 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: W-30 H/O (was: w-29 option)

Joe and list

        About 5 years ago I passed on a 72 H/O that was a X code W-30. Major
rust, pwr Sunroof shot, had the Hurst Performance computer in it (found out
there was only 13 of them built in the cars). Had a correct and rebuilt W-30
engine, and the Pace Car decals had never been put on the car, had all paper
work. Guy wanted $4700 and I thought it was high at the time. I now could kick
myself in the backside for passing it up.

Jim Chermack

At 05:38 PM 12/19/98 , you wrote:
>I've read many places that the W-30 was not available on the H/O in 72
>which means someone probably owns one somewhere.
>
>Steven
>__________
>
>Hurst Corp's fact sheet on the 72 cars lists the W-30 as an available
>option.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:12:23 -0700
From: "Michael Maxwell" <michael@maxwell.cnchost.com>
Subject: Cowl Tag Codes for '70-'72

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:13:55 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olds and Corvairs (was F-Bodies)

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:11:06 -0600, "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
writes, more-or-less:
 
>Don't mention (the) Vega.

Okay, I won't...   ...but how many on this list know of the proposed 
B-O-P versions of the first-generation Corvair?

There was an excellent piece on Corvairs in Collectible Automobile a few 
years back, which included pics of these prototypes.

The Pontiac "Polaris", which appears to be the alternate Corvair which 
came closest to production, looks like a cross between a Corvair and a 
'61 Tempest.  Dodge's Polara probably killed off the name.

Not sure how serious the Buick version was; it had a fake front grille 
but still carried the "Corvair" name.  The pic did not show the engine 
cover so I don't know whether or not it had portholes... :)

The Olds version would've been called a "Sixty-Six", and had a fake 
front grille with what looked like the center emblem from a '58 Olds 
grille.  It actually looked pretty cool, but I'm glad Lansing went with 
the F85 instead.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan 

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:23:42 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)

>Be sure you know why
>you're replacing a cat.  If it's plugged up, there may be an underlying
cause
>that needs to be repaired.  Roger:)


My muffler guy says the cat rattled when he did the "thump test", which
means some stuff is loose on the inside. I figger it'll need replacement
eventually, and I'd want the most effective unit I could get without
spending megabucks.

BTW I have had the misfortune of a clogged converter in the past - on an '82
V6 Cutlass. Car wouldn't go over 5 mph, ran extremely hot. I misdiagnosed
the problem as carburettion and received my Electronic DualJet education in
the School of Hard Knocks.

No fun. Long story.

drc

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:24:05 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards

Jim or Joanne Chermack wrote:
> 
> Peter & all,
> 
>         The Clock Doc has the stuff to repair these to as good as new. Cost 
is
> $80.00

That seems awfully expensive!
I know there would be a little time on the router (I'm thinking of the
'68-'72 rallye paks), but it should be half that price.  Maybe I should
start making these...hmmmm
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:26:10 -0600
From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
Subject: How do I find out what its worth?

Often when I want to know how much something is worth, I am unable to
find an equivelent in the local paper. If this is true in a metro area,
it is probably even harder to find in a rural area.
 One good way I now use to find how the market is running, is to use the
online version of the Auto Trader. It is at http://www.traderonline.com
It has catagories for collector cars, new cars, motorcycles, heavy
equip., parts, etc. You can search for an item (Olds) by state, region,
or nationwide. You can narrow the parameters to a specific year model
with specific options or broaden it up to, and including, every Olds
listed anywhere.
  It will not tell you how much yours is worth, but you can get an idea
what similar cars are being listed for and use that as a basis for
comparison. 
  This is also an excellent place to search for those hard to find
parts.
Terry

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:39:30 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds

Hey everybody,

I finally got my race engine back together after spinning a cam bearing.
I dyno'd it again, if anyone wants a copy of the sheet let me know.

Shane Gibreal

sgibreal@nctc.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:55:08 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye-Pac circuit boards

Jim-
Thanks for the tip. I'll give them a buzz.
Did the '67 Dash go out yet? Anxious to see it!

Season's Best-
Peter Sliskovich

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:01:28 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: No Oldsmobile POS here..

Cars that break sometimes....

From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>


>You DON'T have to hear, I could write a letter longer than "War and Peace",
>an anthology of what can mess and up and why it shouldn't have.
>Lou
>
>> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
>> We've all been through this.

>> A quick list of what I've stuck through
>(snip)


Gotta take this opportunity to sing the praises of my 85 Delta. OK, it's
only 14 years old, and only 143,000 miles, but man it is the epitome` of
reliability. I often dream of replacing the Roller 307 with a motor that has
gonads (like whenever I go uphill), but I'm afraid of losing the impeccable
driveability that I love so dearly.

Good things about this motor...
- ----------------
Starts first click, any weather, any temperature.
Warm-up 15 seconds, drive away.
Never EVER stalls.
Transition from cold to hot engine is seamless.
Idles so smooth you can't tell it's running.
No leaks, no smoke, no noises, 150 psi in all 8 bores.
Oil looks brown, not black, after 3000 miles.
- ----------------
Bad things...
I get beat by old ladies in V-6 Darts.

I figger Olds' engineers couldn't give it the spunk of the early days motors
because of emissions and fuel economy regulations, so they left a premiere
example of Olds V-8 reliability as their legacy.

Works for me.

drc

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:59:23 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds

Please send me as much info as you can stand.  I,m starting a 455 project.
thanks :-)

Larry Pegg
nurelic@primenet.com
602 751 7827


- -----Original Message-----
From: Shane <sgibreal@nctc.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 5:41 PM
Subject: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds


>Hey everybody,
>
>I finally got my race engine back together after spinning a cam bearing.
>I dyno'd it again, if anyone wants a copy of the sheet let me know.
>
>Shane Gibreal
>
>sgibreal@nctc.net
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:23:19 EST
From: Cwncarnut@aol.com
Subject: 57 Olds

Firstly, Hello to all !!!!!!!
  I am retired and am looking for a 1957 Olds Super 98 2-dr Holiday Coupe
h'top'
I had one in 1958-60. It was white with white, grey & black interior. This was
the best car that I have ever owned.  When my father passed away I found my
fender skirts in his garage. Well, NATURALLY,  I have to have a car to put
them on, right?
I've told my wife that anyone should understand that..!!!!!
Since it's been a while since I had the car, I do not remember whether Olds
made a SUPER 98 and a plain 98 or one that was not a Holiday or ?????????
Would some of you current knowledgable Oldsnuts enlighten  this Oldnut? 
I would appreciate it.
 
Happy Holidays & God Bless us all

Charles Newman
Memphis Area

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:26:13 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds

I would like a copy.. and the specs for the motor!
It's really nice to see someone with a monster olds..
My project is around 450hp at the moment.. would love to someday put out
some big numbers like yours!

Thanks,
Ken
olds442@en.com

>
>I finally got my race engine back together after spinning a cam bearing.
>I dyno'd it again, if anyone wants a copy of the sheet let me know.
>
>Shane Gibreal
>
>sgibreal@nctc.net
>
>

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:33:43 -0600
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile POS for sale

I had the exact same thing happen to me.  It's kind of embarassing seeing
a f*rd tow an oldsmobile around!

JoeB
66 F-85

>5) Broken fuel pump on I-5 in the middle of nowhere (Gas Station guy: 
>"You
>want to buy a fuel pump for a Sixty Six what????")


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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:46:48 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds

Shane... Like others on the list, I'm in the middle of a 455/462 500+ hp
engine build.  I'm most interested in what components you used and how your
engine is designed.  Any information you care to share will be appreciated.

Larry... Primenet is a Phoenix-based ISP (it used to be mine) and your area
code is AZ.  If we share the same stomping grounds (I'm in Chandler) perhaps
we could get together and exchange notes.  Roger:)

Larry Pegg wrote:

> Please send me as much info as you can stand.  I,m starting a 455 project.
> thanks :-)
>
> Larry Pegg
> nurelic@primenet.com
> 602 751 7827
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane <sgibreal@nctc.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 5:41 PM
> Subject: Dyno sheet - 730 hp Olds
>
> >Hey everybody,
> >
> >I finally got my race engine back together after spinning a cam bearing.
> >I dyno'd it again, if anyone wants a copy of the sheet let me know.
> >
> >Shane Gibreal
> >
> >sgibreal@nctc.net
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:58:55 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: Once more into the breach, dear friends: You are all ignoring Karl

> Remember hearing about a trans that is in development that uses
> a belt drive on varying diameter pulleys. .



the Volvo 66 had a cvt (continius-variomatic-transmision)
I`m talking about in the early 70 
and i do knov that there was a Honda civic that was delewered with a cvt to

i have driven the Volvo. (on a rental basis only)
it wasnt mutch fun tough BUT its toppspeed backwards was greater the
forwards :-)


Trond-Jarle

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:05:32 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: AZ olds club?

My line line is 807 6007 or 751 7827  I'm swapping an Eng. Sunday want to
help :-)   I have a 70 vista cruiser and I'm going to build it to tow and
cruise.  call me I'm buy lunch.

Larry Pegg
never pet a burning dog

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:52:50 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> 
> Also, while we're talking about 4 speed cars, I've seen some references in
> the factory literature that indicate that the VC was available with a 4
> speed in at least the 1969 model year (and possibly others).  You _could_
> get a 4 speed with a bench seat in the other A-body cars, so this isn't
> outside the realm of possibility.  Anyone ever see one of these rarities?



Years ago a friend of mine had a 66 Vista with 
a factory 4 speed.  Also knew another guy with a 
67 Cutlass wagon with a 4 speed.  Both of these
had the Hurst shifter (with the little H). 
I almost bought the 67 for a tow car.
But decided to hold out for a Vista Cruiser.  
Bought a 69 Vista, and been threatening to 
put a 4 speed in it ever since.  
Should be a direct bolt in.  


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com
- ----------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:05:38 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)

Dave... Having worked for many years in the past as a falt-rate automotive
technician I've misdiagnosed my share of plugged cats in spite of my knowing
about them.  I eventually came up with some rather simplistic but effective
means of helping to prove my theories.  A plugged cat can be nasty, however,
even to the most seasoned mechanic.  Just because your cat rattles (I'm 
assuming
honeycomb, here) doesn't mean it's going to cause problems right away.  The
element may be bouncing around and slowly disintegrating in there, but the cat
may continue to work fine regardless for some time.  Diminished performance
under WOT will tell you the end is near.  It sounds like you've got a handle on
things.  Roger:)

Dave Cullen wrote:

> >Be sure you know why
> >you're replacing a cat.  If it's plugged up, there may be an underlying
> cause
> >that needs to be repaired.  Roger:)
>
> My muffler guy says the cat rattled when he did the "thump test", which
> means some stuff is loose on the inside. I figger it'll need replacement
> eventually, and I'd want the most effective unit I could get without
> spending megabucks.
>
> BTW I have had the misfortune of a clogged converter in the past - on an '82
> V6 Cutlass. Car wouldn't go over 5 mph, ran extremely hot. I misdiagnosed
> the problem as carburettion and received my Electronic DualJet education in
> the School of Hard Knocks.
>
> No fun. Long story.
>
> drc

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:41:24 -0600
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Early Christmas Present

Hi folks,
          I still can't believe this:  SOMEBODY special got me a
brand-new, NOS factory exhaust system for my 1987 442!  Everything was
there except for the hangers, which are discontinued by GM.  (Anybody
got a pair they want to sell?  :-)  My original system is still in
pretty good shape, but when it needs replacing, I've got the new one
ready to go!  Woo-hoo!  I feel like a little kid on Christmas morning...


"...The mufflers were hung in the attic with care,
When the old ones rust out, the new ones are there..."

Merry Christmas!!

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html               1987 442
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html        Centennial Tape Info.

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:34:23 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)

yes I have seen two 69 Vista Cruiser w/ 4spds . They both had 350/310hp motors
in them....Harry, NJ   73 Olds Cutlass S 455/4spd. 8,920 orig miles.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:40:40 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Early Christmas Present

> "...The mufflers were hung in the attic with care,
> When the old ones rust out, the new ones are there..."
> 

ha!
Merry Christmas!

Ray
<no sig. file avail.>

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:52:01 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: valve spring installed hieght

> Brian,

 I believe the installed height is the same on heads that have the rotators, 
as it is on heads that never had them. When you
eliminate the rotators you need to use a taller valve spring. I think the 
installed height on heads originally  not equipped
with rotators, and ones equipped with rotators is something like 1.625"-1.650".
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass


>
> From: "Brian Smith" <smithclan@sprint.ca>
> Subject: Valve Spring Height
>
> To all the Olds Engine Experts:
>
> What is the correct height for valve springs for a 71 G Head, which I think
> has rotators on both intake and exhaust valves? Don't the heads with
> rotators take a different height spring  than non-rotator heads?
>
> Thanks and Happy HolidaysTo All
> Brian
> 71 SX

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:27:27 -0500
From: "Rocketboy" <Olds442@webmail.bellsouth.net>
Subject: Tranny Q's 700R4

Is/was there ever a 700R4 made for a BOP? 
Are kits available to easily adapt C trans to BOP? (cut and weld bellhousing, 
adaptor plate? )

Will a stock 700R4 stand up to the 550+ ft lbs and 450+ HP?

How about a stall convertor(10") for these monsters? 

Lockup works on increased pressure in Torque Conv via solenoid valves in the 
tranny, Right? 

Could you still switch on lockup(on a stall) while cruising?

   
Rocketboy        Olds442@webmail.bellsouth.net

"Gimme OLDS or Gimme Death..."

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:50:36 -0500
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: No Oldsmobile POS here..

At 08:01 PM 12/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>----------------
>Bad things...
>I get beat by old ladies in V-6 Darts.

Uh.....they don't exist (but of course you knew that, right?)

- - Uncle Pete
'51 98
'82 98 (w/403)
'86 Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:14:40 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Manual trans cars (was: Big cars)

In a message dated 12/19/98 5:42:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< 
 Also, while we're talking about 4 speed cars, I've seen some references in
 the factory literature that indicate that the VC was available with a 4
 speed in at least the 1969 model year (and possibly others).  You _could_
 get a 4 speed with a bench seat in the other A-body cars, so this isn't
 outside the realm of possibility.  Anyone ever see one of these rarities?
  >>
   Doug Kitchner who use to be on this list had a 1969 Vista Cruiser with a
4spd bench seat.

Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:35:02 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Cat Replacement (was Re: Emissions)

Hello all,

Some of the 80's GM cars with pellet type cats had a small plug.  It was
a stamped sheet metal piece that looked as if it were galvanized.  Upon
removing this plug and shaking the tailp pipe assembly, the pellets will
fall out.  I'm sure no US list members would do this, because our
beloved EPA has hefty fines for doing so, and it could make their car
louder and maybe a little faster.  The plug is stocked at GM parts
departments, but the part number is difficult to find.  It is, I would
imagine, very easy to ruin this plug.  I would also imagine these
pellets get very hot with only a few seconds of the engine running.

Merry Christmas,
Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:43:35 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re:restricted racing info[long] 

> Ken,

 My 2 cents on your current endeavor;

The 350 Olds may be down on midrange torque a wee bit compared to a ch*v 350, 
as the stroke is shorter. [3.385" vs 3.48"], so
you may as well as forget about a torque advantage over the "c" cars.
You say unrestricted you were running your old combo at a lesser rpm than the 
ch*v 350s[6800vs7200]. The Olds 350's shorter
stroke was not keeping the motor from revving. What head/valve size were you 
using?

On the valve size subject, I know guys that ran 355" sb ch*vs in a restricted 
carb class [i call it push gas, turn left racing].
They found that 1.94"/1.60" valves worked better than the 2.02"/1.60" They 
feel the 2.02" valve doesn't work well with the small
amount of cfm the engine has available to it.

I wonder that since you are carb restricted, if you should possibly consider 
cutting the 2" valve down a bit[1.94"?] to keep
velocity up to help you come out of the corner, since the small carb will kill 
the top end anyway?

 Whatever you do with the heads, i would spend a few bucks, and have them 
flowed[Dave Smith?]. I believe that for ideal power
production you need an exhaust flow of 80% of whatever the intake flows. You 
may even want to spend a little extra to have the
intake ports flowed with the intake manifold/carb in place. I would supply 
this info to your cam supplier to help determine if
you need a split pattern cam.  Olds heads will fall short of the ideal 
intake/exhaust flow bias. The following paragraphs
contain my thoughts on how to improve this shortcoming.

 All the stock car racers i know "cheat to compete", so...

Could you fill the heat risers w/ alum? By doing this carefully without 
grinding on the cast iron in the bowls to finish the
"pour" off , you aren't really modifying the head, are you? If you think you 
would be violating the rules here, could you
tightly pack aluminum foil in there? [it will stay for a little while, believe 
it or not]. The heat risers being connected
REALLY hurts the flow in four of the ports.You know, Smokey Unick said that if 
the rule book didn't say you couldn't do it, he
assumed you could. If you loosely interpret the rules, then you're really only 
blocking the heatriser heat to the intake, aren't
you?[he he he]

BTW i don't know allot about sb Olds'. Are the W-31 heads like most[or 
all?]the other Olds heads, with two heat risers connected
to the heatrisers, and do they have the center divider that doesn't extend out 
all the way?

If they are, then....

 You can surface your heads, if needed, right? Let's say for your sake, your 
heads were really rusty, and had some rust pits
that were .170" deep on the exhaust flanges. Well...you could "surface" .175" 
from your exhaust side to remove these pits. You
wouldn't want your headers to leak, would you? This would make your divider 
flush with the outside surface. Most track "tech
inspector" fellows don't know what an Olds head looks like anyway. This would 
raise the port roof at the exit a bit to help flow
too. You could angle cut the flange while you were at it to tilt the flange up 
a bit too.

 If you are afraid of doing this, then on the flange side, you can take some 
s/s and make an extension for the divider. Use 1/8"
to extend the divider, with a piece of 14 ga s/s on each side extending back 
along the 1/8" s/s  piece and back over the iron
part of the divider, stopping where the iron part starts to get wider. It 
takes some trimming/grinding to get all three pieces
to fit well. Once they're fit, weld them together at the flange, and grind the 
"assembly" flush with the flange surface. Clean
the stock divider up, and glue the divider extension in place with some hi 
temp silicon. The header will hold it in place.

 On the exhaust side subject, i've though about another somewhat bizarre idea. 
Could we[you] take an extra header flange, and
fabricate a sort of  blank off plate to eliminate the "dead" area in the lower 
section of the outer port. You could order the
flanges blank, and cut the holes to match the roof and sides, but create a 
smaller port opening, using 1/8" steel welded to the
sandwiched flange, extending in to meet the stock floor where it turns sharply 
down, to form a new floor to close off the dead
area. This would take some grinding/fitting, but the results would create a 
port something like the Edelbrock heads have. You
could design this "blank off" flange to make your new port finish the same 
o.d. as the i.d of the header size you'll use.
 I believe that before the 2V cleveland heads were introduced, there were 
blank off plates like this used by some racers on 4V
Ford cleveland heads, as these heads have a very large entry, compared to the 
rest of the port, just like the Olds exhaust
port's exit.
 This wouldn't be modifying the head at all, so you should be within the rule 
guidelines.
 BTW I've thought about trying this for a while, but lately my time/money has 
been taken up by my 500 Caddy powered pro street
pickup project.

 On the subject of headers -  i.m.o. you shouldn't consider a header any 
larger than 1.75 od, and i would bet that 1.625 would
work better yet, esp with the long primary length you say you'll be using.

 I would cut the block down so your quench distance is .040" or less[incl 
gasket], and cut the head to whatever cc needed to
give you 11-1. I assume you'll use a L2320 flat top? With a flat top, and a 
.040" quench and 356", you need 73cc worth of
chamber/quench distance to get 11-1.

One more cheater tip-- you can run a vacuum gauge, yes? If you run a large 
line from the carb base to it, the line can be
disconnected inside the car once you are underway, and this will add a few cfm 
of air to the engine. Of course, you must do your
jetting with this extra air supply open. Be aware of possible mixture problems 
if the extra air favors any one[not all] of the
ports in the plenum. This might be tricky with the dual plane intake.

 I've always wanted to try circle track racing, but i'm to cheap/lazy to 
devote the time/money/energy it surely must take.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass



>
>
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:01:14 EST
> From: KS7RACING@aol.com
> Subject: Restricted Racing Engine Info Requested
>
> Listmembers,
>
> Since there's been a spirited dialog going on about high-RPM 350's, I thought
> I'd ask about another scenario I'll be facing next year at our local asphalt
> oval.  Our track rules call out a 358 cubic inch engine, 350 CFM Holley
> 2-barrel carb, specific Moroso carb adapter (no changes allowed to it),
> Edelbrock Performer intake (again, no changes of any kind allowed) and 11 to 
1
> compression ratio.  In addition, we'll be using a solid lifter cam and roller
> rockers, a custom built oil pan will keep the oil where we need it and there
> are some custom headers being built for it, we have a set to test some ideas
> with that are the routing we'll be using, but the primaries are probably 
twice
> as long as they need to be.  Here's some areas of discussion I'd like to ask
> about:
>
> 1) Most of the cars at the track only rev up to 6300-6500, the carb won't 
flow
> enough to get much higher that that on the typical C-word 350.  When we ran
> unrestricted I could always run with the C-word engines at 6800 where they 
ran
> up to 7200.  If the C-word racers don't spin much over 6300, should I try to
> keep it around that or go even less and work on low-RPM torque?
>
> 2) Speaking of torque and low RPM's, the track is fairly low banked to almost
> flat.  There's a lot of change in engine speed during one lap of the track, 
so
> we need to get the power down low.  Any ideas about rough cam profiles
> (approximate numbers)?
>
> 3) Will using the 2" intake valves be necessary given the restriction of the
> carb?  All we can do is replace the valves and polish the combustion 
chambers,
> nothing else.
>
> Thanks for considering these questions, I'll gladly add any other needed info
> upon request.
>
> Take Care, and Happy Holidays!
> Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas
> KS7RACING@aol.com
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:03:03 -0600
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (long post)

Tom Berkowitz wrote:

> Barb  I had trouble passing emmissions for my 1970 olds Cutlass until I got 
a new
> carbuerator. Unfortunately, in July 1998, in Virginia, the state legislature
> decided all cars 1968 and older must pass emissions testing for the life of 
the
> car.  They are trying to get old cars off the road.  Anyway, with a new
> carbuerator, I pass without any troubles.
> Mary


Mary:

In August the carb was overhauled and the job appears to have been done 
properly.  I
didnt want to take any chances of not passing emissions, so when I went in to 
get
tested, I followed my test-when-cold procedure.  I nearly died when I saw the
report: ZERO (0) reading on all 4 tests (they measure separately the idle and 
loaded
emissions for hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide).  I didnt think it could be 
possible
to have no measurable emissions.  I took the sheet back to the facility who 
did the
rebuild and adjustments.  They werent terribly surprised as some of the cars 
they've
repaired have tested like that from time to time.  The mechanic told me that 
he set
the carb to be sure it would pass with a hot engine.

 Arizona has had mandatory emissions testing for as long as Ive lived here 
(almost
16 years).  In 1995 they adopted the I/M 240 for 1980 and newer cars and this 
past
year they, like Virginia, require that vehicles must pass for life (Im not 
sure if
its for '75 and newer or ALL cars).  They will allow the vehicle to receive one
waiver.  If it doesnt pass emissions the next year and it cant or wont get 
fixed,
registration will not be issued.  Everyone blames the older auto for 
pollution, but
there's no requirement for seasonal residents, trucks, buses and other 
commercial
vehicles to comply with emissions standards.  That, to me, is discriminatory 
and Im
not found of double standards.  Either we should all have to comply with 
emissions
laws or none of us should have to comply.  Just my .02.

Barb

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:06:46 -0500
From: "Pearce, Greg" <GAP@filetek.com>
Subject: RE: 1970 Olds Delta 88

Thanks Igor - I'll do just that!

greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 [mailto:igor455@home.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 1998 2:36 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds Delta 88


I think that your best bet is to find a local appraiser, get the car
appraised (in writing of course) and then realistically drop the price to
what you think is worth.  When you say $10,000 for example and then go on
and say that you have it appraised at $12,500 it may attract some more
attention.  If it is in a great shape, I bet that it would be worth a good
dollar.


>Where DO I find out what it's worth?  I also have updated info: It's a
4-door!
>It was a serious question!

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:07:01 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: passing emissions tests (long post)

> 16 years).  In 1995 they adopted the I/M 240 for 1980 and newer cars and 
this past
> year they, like Virginia, require that vehicles must pass for life (Im not 
sure if
> its for '75 and newer or ALL cars).  They will allow the vehicle to receive 
one
> waiver.  If it doesnt pass emissions the next year and it cant or wont get 
fixed,
> registration will not be issued.  Everyone blames the older auto for 
pollution, but
> there's no requirement for seasonal residents, trucks, buses and other 
commercial
> vehicles to comply with emissions standards.  That, to me, is discriminatory 
and Im
> not found of double standards.  Either we should all have to comply with 
emissions
> laws or none of us should have to comply.  Just my .02.
> 
> Barb


In Dallas we were on the I/M 240 for a brief instant in 1994, but the
state reniged under pressure from auto repair lobbies and the company
responsible for setting up all the testing facilities got stuck with the
bill. We still have an emissions test here, split up into 2 categories.
They are '73-'80 (used to be '75, but they bumped it back to '73 this
past year) and '81 on. The '73-'80 cars are not held to the same numbers
as the '81-on. The '81 on must pass an idle, 2500RPM, then idle again.
At this time only Dallas, Tarrant (Ft. Worth) and Harris (Houston)
counties have an emissions test. I have heard that Denton and Collin 
counties (north and n.east of Dallas)are supposed implement one in 1999.
I have a feeling that the I/M 240 is going to forced on us very soon. Of
the 13 cities that were repremanded for pollution in 1997, Dallas is 1
of 6 that chose to do nothing. Diesels, buses, and government vehicles
are exempt here also, which I agree is unfair. In my opinion, the
majority of pollution in Dallas comes from Love Field, where every plain
flying into and out of (except those going north) must pass directly
over downtown Dallas at low altitudes.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:27:52 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: bashing the 350 Buick[non Olds content]

> Hello all,

 Please excuse the non Olds content, although i think it relates to our 
efforts.
 I've belonged to this list for a while. Until a few weeks ago[8000rpm 350 
thread] i've been semi quiet, but something is
bothering me. I've noticed the 350 Buick engine being bashed lately. Although 
the stock, late model low compression versions may
be slugs, so are some of the offerings from Olds during those sad years. This 
"my brand of engine's best, and all others are
junk" mentality is what has always bothered me about some car guys[mostly chev 
owners].
 My Grandpap, and Dad were Olds guys, and although i could build more hp per 
C.I. with other engines, i've always preferred the
Olds. I like allot of other "offbrand" engines too, especially the AMC, Buick, 
and Caddy.
 If you would care to look into it, i think you'd find the 350 Buick to be a 
dandy street engine, when properly built. It has
the advantage of a very long stroke that's good for low rpm torque. Remember 
the small bore 68/69 Olds 400? The stock 350 Buick
has the disadvantage of small valves, but in a street application it can be a 
good runner.
 I helped a friend with a near bone stock '70 350 Buick[KB cam only] powered, 
stock chassis Sunbird. It fit like a glove, with
the 231 mounts, and Lesabre[sp?] exh manifolds, and ran 12.7.
 I found great joy when some fellows would come over to the car in the pits, 
and one would say
" that ain't no chevy motor!"  Most of them had no idea what it was.
 The point i'm trying to make here is an engine doesn't know what kind it is. 
Let's not lower ourselves to the level that the
ignorant owners of the "popular" brand will.
 While i've been building my current project, a twin turbo'd/N20 511" Cadillac 
powered pro street '67 chev pickup, I've had a
couple of my friends say, " why don't you put a BB chev in it" I say, anybody 
can make a Chevy run, but for me, it's no fun. The
Caddy will run too, although many will laugh at the thought. I have 425 Olds 
rods, BB chev pistons, Pontiac valves, and sb chev
valvesprings in the thing. I for one, would jump on the opportunity to be 
involved with any offbrand engine project.
 I like the Olds the best, but i've had great fun helping others[and lately 
myself] with other "offbrands too.
 I don't think most of us would bash the 455 Buick, and i think we should 
respect the 350 as well.

Dave Brode
64 cutlass

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:47:42 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser tailgate

Not that myself, my buddy or the Buick Sport Wagon gentlemen I talk to have
come across. However, the rubber manufacturers in Hemmings and other places
advertise being able to 'reproduce your piece".  Mine is in fairly good
shape & I plan on (eventually!) seeing about having them made.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC 

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:53:05 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Buick engines

I think the reason for bashing Buick engines is that they are inferior.  I'm
just passing an opinion along here from someone who's opinion I respect
completely...The Buick engines (350) specifically burned more oil than gas.
Anyone who bought a buick in the late 70's and got a Buick engine has
regrets.  A special order Olds 350 was the way to go if you insisted on not
buying an Olds.

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:59:32 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '67-72  Parts for Sale

I have a few things left from all the recent parts hauls.

1970 SX hood (VGC), no center chrome strip - $100
1967 Cutlass rear bumper, non-backup light model - good core - $80
1967 & 70 Cutlass emblems/scripts - offer
1972 side marker lights (2 complete sets front & back) - offer
1972 VC rear bumper - GC - offer
'69 C heads - need redone - w/ extra valves - $150
'70 Cutlass interior factory hood lock setup - $50
'67 D-88 clock assembly (incl bezel) - offer
'67 Cutlass a/c unit - GC - $45

E-mail me privately with any and all questions or inquiries.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC 1/2 Ton

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:04:47 EST
From: GBodyLover@aol.com
Subject: Dimming courtesy lights

How do the automatic dimming courtesy lights on the newer cars operate? On my
96 Cutlass Supreme, I can turn them on just by pulling on the door handle(s).
They have some sort of timer to turn themselves off automatically. Can this be
done to the interior lights in a 80's G-body? What parts would I have to look
for? I'm off this week, and I'm going to the junkyard on Monday, and Tuesday.
I'm also going to be snagging a lighted rear view mirror so I can install that
in the next car. 
I've located a couple suitable cars for the next toy. Now just have to narrow
it down to one! I doubt I could convince the wife that we really need two or
three more cars.  :)

John

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