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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, November 25 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1626



Re: What do you think?
electric vs. automatic choke
Re: electric vs. automatic choke
Re: electric vs. automatic choke
Re: DRL's
Re: Parts Wanted 
Re: electric vs. automatic choke
Re: Vista Cruiser's similar cousins...  anybody?
Re: F-85 Omega?
Re: Rechroming
Come and Get It
Re: electric vs. automatic choke
HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Re: Come and Get It
Re: F-85 Omega?
Edelbrock Breather
493 Mondello Olds ?
Signing off for the holidays...
Re: Rechroming
Re:VC, Sportwagons
Re:VC, Sportwagons
Re: auto and 4 sp
Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
RE: shift indicator lens
Re: Pontiac Engines ( I know, I know)
RE: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
Holley Pro-jection forsale?
Re: DRL's
Holley EFI
Re: DRL's
Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
67 Vista Cruiser
Re: DRL's
Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: Holley Pro-jection forsale?
Re: Holley EFI
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: Come and Get It
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: Vista Cruiser's similar cousins... anybody?
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
Re: Holley Pro-jection forsale?
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
67 Cutlass 4-door in a U-Pull-it
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: auto vs 4 speed  debate - NHRA stock class records
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400 ~and~ oiling!
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400 ~and~ oiling!
77 Cutlass parts car wanted
Re: Door Hinge Pin&Bushing Replacement
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: shift indicator lens

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:55:09 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

> Andy, while you're certainly entitled to your opinion (wrong as it
> may be...  come on, this from a guy who not only defends DRLs,

Well, yes, I think I'll do a separate posting on that because I want
to choose my words carefully...

> but doesn't even own an Olds...)

*cough*  Yes, at the moment I'm an Olds _consultant_  :-)

> I just personally think it looks cool when done tastefully (how's
> that for a qualifier).

Well, I do, too; exactly which examples we think are tasteful is
most likely where we'd differ.

> And before anyone complains about my flaming Andy, please note that
> at least I didn't call him an ignorant slut...  ;-) (where's Mike 
> Frederick when you need him?)

HAR! Yeah, me and Don Sowers were having some offline Mike Frederick
flashbacks yesterday over all the troubles he was having with a big
Lincoln Continental or something like that. Anyone who remembers the
Mike Frederick flamewars should remember how much fun those were.  :-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:56:57 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: electric vs. automatic choke

HI all, 
 
I bought and installed the Monte Carlo carb for my 86 Cutlass Supreme
(307 Y).  It seems to be running fine, except that the engine's RPM's
are entirely too high, there is no passing gear, and no take-off power. 
I know these are all related, probably hooked up the linkage wrong, but
I have run into even more of a dilemma.  The carb has an electric choke
and my Cutlass only had an automatic.  I know the electric one is better
and I know that this one, with 52k miles, has every reason to work, but
I just need to know how to hook it up.  Thant's all I can think of right
now, but I am going to work on it momentarily, so you know I will be
back soon with more questions!
Thanks,
Brian.

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:04:51 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: electric vs. automatic choke

If it has an electric seloniod on it like my Holley does, it should have
two male connects on it. Positive and negative. Neg-grounds to carb body,
Pos-hooks to a 12volt power source that is hot when the switch is on. Thats
it.

Ed
The Omega Man




At 10:56 AM 11/25/98 -0200, you wrote:
>HI all, 
> 
>I bought and installed the Monte Carlo carb for my 86 Cutlass Supreme
>(307 Y).  It seems to be running fine, except that the engine's RPM's
>are entirely too high, there is no passing gear, and no take-off power. 
>I know these are all related, probably hooked up the linkage wrong, but
>I have run into even more of a dilemma.  The carb has an electric choke
>and my Cutlass only had an automatic.  I know the electric one is better
>and I know that this one, with 52k miles, has every reason to work, but
>I just need to know how to hook it up.  Thant's all I can think of right
>now, but I am going to work on it momentarily, so you know I will be
>back soon with more questions!
>Thanks,
>Brian.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:06:16 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: electric vs. automatic choke

If it has an electric seloniod on it like my Holley does, it should have
two male connects on it. Positive and negative. Neg-grounds to carb body,
Pos-hooks to a 12volt power source that is hot when the switch is on. Thats
it.
______

Actually, most new cars use an oil pressure switch in series with the choke
so that the choke won't open if the key is on but the engine isn't running.
It's not necessary, but it may just prevent a starting problem someday.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:49:36 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: DRL's

>Besides, we're talking about a new, full size crewcab dually
 >here - something only slightly smaller than my house.

Be careful there Joe.  I have a full size van that people regularly
pull out in front of.  It might have something to do with the blue
paint because I don't have that problem with the Sebring Yellow Olds.
Well, at least so far I haven't. (knocking on wood and looking for
a rabbit's foot as I say this)  I hope your dually is a noticeable color
or may get an unpleasant surprise.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:17:46 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts Wanted 

Stefan, 

Very sorry to hear about this! I can't help you with the parts but I keep 
you (and everybody else) in mind in case I run over a 70 cutlass holiday 
when junkjarding on Friday. (Hope to get up early enough to check out 
some non local yards.)
 
If the parts you list all got lost in the body shop, I would really 
contact a lawyer to find out if it makes sense to sue him! This looks 
more like he took of the stuff with a system, maybe to sell it to someone 
else? (How did you get to the guy? Did someone recommend him?) 180 
bucks is nothing for the stuff you miss, that is what he should have 
taken off anyway for the faulty paint! Yust my op. 

Good Luck, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Stefan Gadecki wrote:

> 
>    I just got my 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe back from the body
> shop.  The guy was a real a**hole.  He lost a bunch of my chrome trim
> pieces, as well as a few other pieces, and there were a few small
> defects/chips in the new paint job.  When I told him that the pieces
> either need to be replaced and/or he should take some money off of the
> cost of the paint job, he gave me a REALLY hard time about it and
> threatened to raise the bill by charging me for some extras that he
> initially did for free.  I then told him that I'd be forced get my
> compensation in another way (lawyer), so he dropped $180 off of the
> bill (not much really, but i didn't want to argue anymore).  Problem
> is I still don't have the parts.  Here's the list of what I need, so
> if anybody could help me out, it would be GREATLY appreciated.
> 
>        All parts for 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>        
>             1 Trunklid "Cutlass" script
>             
>             1 left rear (drivers side) wheel well                   
> chrome moulding-I may be able to get one               of these locally
>             
>             1 (I don't know what it's called) The                   
> chrome 'elbow' w/little plastic triangle               thing attached
> to it, in the top front                 corner of the driver's window 
>            
>             1 the end cap on the driver's side of the               
> metal trim strip/bar on the bottom                     inside of the
> rear window, Blue
>             
>   I also have a trunklid 'Cutlass' script for a 1971-72
>   cutlass for sale/trade if anyone is interested.    Excellent chrome
> 
>   Thanks a lot in advance,
>   Please reply direct to:  sgadecki@yahoo.com
> 
> Stefan
> 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
> sgadecki@yahoo.com 
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:42:50 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: electric vs. automatic choke

This one just has a single male plug that sort of jets out of the choke
cover.  A not-so-knowledgeable source said that he had sseen one hooked
up like that but only with the one wire hooked up both to the choke
cover and the other end to a switched terminal.  I think the problem
with the fast idle and no passing gear has a lot to do with the kickdown
and throttle cables both being pulled out an extra inch to hook up to
the carb.  A new retainer bracket for these two from a Monte Carlo
should do the trick. 
Thanks,
Brian.

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> If it has an electric seloniod on it like my Holley does, it should have
> two male connects on it. Positive and negative. Neg-grounds to carb body,
> Pos-hooks to a 12volt power source that is hot when the switch is on. Thats
> it.
> 
> Ed
> The Omega Man
> 
> At 10:56 AM 11/25/98 -0200, you wrote:
> >HI all,
> >
> >I bought and installed the Monte Carlo carb for my 86 Cutlass Supreme
> >(307 Y).  It seems to be running fine, except that the engine's RPM's
> >are entirely too high, there is no passing gear, and no take-off power.
> >I know these are all related, probably hooked up the linkage wrong, but
> >I have run into even more of a dilemma.  The carb has an electric choke
> >and my Cutlass only had an automatic.  I know the electric one is better
> >and I know that this one, with 52k miles, has every reason to work, but
> >I just need to know how to hook it up.  Thant's all I can think of right
> >now, but I am going to work on it momentarily, so you know I will be
> >back soon with more questions!
> >Thanks,
> >Brian.
> >
> >

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:37:44 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser's similar cousins...  anybody?

At 01:48 AM 11/25/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Saw a wagon this weekend, thought it was a VC, thought it was a Buick,
thought
>it was a VC, thought it was a Buick (*I saw it twice...;) Front end was
bashed
>up (typical for the VC <sniff>) but the hood said "Buick" on it.  But it
had the
>VC's moonroof up top.  Did the Buick equivalent back then (SportWagon?)

its a rare bird.
Yes it was a Buick sportwagon, made only in 65-66 I believe.

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:35:31 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

At 07:03 AM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>What year was it??

75

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:51:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Rechroming

This discussion of rechroming is interesting. Sometimes I think plating
shops must use platinum instead of chromium given the prices they
charge...

While the recommendations on U.S. shops are useful for many, what those of
us in the Great White North could use are some Canadian recommendations so
we don't have to pay in US funds. I have used Cambridge Custom Chrome in
the past with good results, but I hear others have had some issues with
them. If anyone has any Canadian platers they would recommend, pass them
on to the list. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:53:34 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Come and Get It

I gotta make room in my garage, so if anyone wants a very nice running 307
come and get it!  The price is free.  It is complete from carb to pan, fan
to flywheel.  I have too much stuff, and no real room for this engine.  It
has the rally pac temp and oil sendeing units on it too.  I may be getting
rid of some other stuff too.  I NEED ROOM!  I am in the Minneapolis area.
I do not want to go through the hassle of shipping it anywhere.  E-mail me
if you want it and I will give you directions.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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                                        Tony Waldner
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
                                         White Bear Lake, MN
                                                       55110

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:49:58 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: electric vs. automatic choke

This one just has a single male plug that sort of jets out of the choke
cover.
_______

Yep.  The ground connection is internal to the carb body.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:03:00 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Hey everybody on the List.
Happy Thanksgiving and have a good holiday weekend.
I'm gonna go eat some turkey and turn some wrenches now
Later
Ed
The Omega Man
2-'74 Omegas

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:10:20 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Come and Get It

I'd come to get the ralleye pak sensors, but Minneapolis is not anywhere
close to where I am...

At 10:53 AM 11/25/98 , you wrote:
>I gotta make room in my garage, so if anyone wants a very nice running 307
>come and get it!  The price is free.  It is complete from carb to pan, fan
>to flywheel.  I have too much stuff, and no real room for this engine.  It
>has the rally pac temp and oil sendeing units on it too.  I may be getting
>rid of some other stuff too.  I NEED ROOM!  I am in the Minneapolis area.
>I do not want to go through the hassle of shipping it anywhere.  E-mail me
>if you want it and I will give you directions.
>
>Tony
>
>70 442 W-30
>70 442 W-30 convert
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
>84 Hurst/Olds
>85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/+++\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
>
>
>                                        Tony Waldner
>tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
>                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
>                                         White Bear Lake, MN
>                                                       55110
>
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> 
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:05:58 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

>  This was the "budget" Oldsmobile, usually sparsely equipped but
> still better than the C-word variety (of which I actually owned one, was glad
> to see it go).

        Ken (or anyone else),

        I assume by "C-word variety" you are referring to the Nova.  I used to
have one, too.  Anyhow, you say the Omega was better.  How?  I've never checked
out the Omegas.  I'd be curious to know their advantages.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:26:18 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Edelbrock Breather

I want to put an Edelbrock or similar breather on my  Cutlass Supreme. 
The Edelbrock offers an inlet for the crankcase breather tube, but it is
under the filter housing and behind the air filter element.  Also there
is no place to hook up the tube from the air pump--but that's
disconnected due to bad bearings anyway.  I've seen this done, but are
there any potential problems or adverse effects this may cause to all
the pollution controls?
Brian.

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:28:11 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: 493 Mondello Olds ?

I know this subject has probably been beat to death before, But I was just
wondering what some of you current members think of it.

I just read an article in a older POP. HOT ROD. magazine about a 493.
It states that it *should* make 500 HP and 525 T .  Has anyone seen an
article or had experience testing one of the set-ups?

Seems to me 500 HP / 525 T is low considering what all he did to this
engine. I think if a person done the same build up to a 455 (without the
offset grinding and buick rods), he'd have at least as much power, if not
more.
This extra stroke must decrease the V.E.(Volumetric Effic.) of the 455.  I
wonder(hmmm...) if you destroked a 455 would it's V.E. be better??
For an example: A chevy 327 will usually make a little more HP and about the
same Torque as a Chevy 350 with all parts equal.    

Offset grinding the crank ain't a bad idea for some engines but I have my
doubts about the olds. Plus it's $225 just to grind the crank and you still
have to buy Buick rods.
On top of that you are limited to 5500 rpm.

Donny 
 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:25:04 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Signing off for the holidays...

Hi Guys, 

Have a great holiday. Don't forget to work on your oldses and meet you 
next week. So long, George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:36:42 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Rechroming

I've used Fairmont Electroplating in Calgary with good
results.  They did both the 70 Ch*velle's bumpers and the
rear 442 bumper at least 5 years ago.  Filled the jack
cutouts, filled the air nipple holes, straightened, and new
chrome.  Still nice and shiny with no peeling or other
problems.  And they were about 2/3's the cost of the other
plating house in town.  I can look up the prices if anyone
cares.

They also showed me some pot metal that they did for another
Olds and it looked great even though I got the usual
disclaimers about possible pitting.

Just my 0.012 (Canadian 2 cents) worth.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
<snip>
> If anyone has any Canadian platers they would recommend, pass them
> on to the list.
> 

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:47:18 -0700
From: karoe@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re:VC, Sportwagons

It is interesting to note that the 68 and earlier Sportwagons use a much
beefier axle (ala the judge) that swaps right into Olds A-bodies. As well,
those rear brake drums are wagon only pieces and valuable in useable
condition.
I think the skyroof sportwagons were thru '69 but dont have my references
handy to tell for sure.

Kyle
70 442 ragtop
71 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:55:08 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re:VC, Sportwagons

It is interesting to note that the 68 and earlier Sportwagons use a much
beefier axle (ala the judge) that swaps right into Olds A-bodies. As well,
those rear brake drums are wagon only pieces and valuable in useable
condition.
_________

Can't speak to Pontiac axles, but the VC and Sportwagon used unique axle
housings which are not common to other A-bodies (though they will likely
bolt in as an assembly).  These cars used different, larger outboard
bearings and the aforementioned 2 1/2" wide back brakes.  Also, the
67-earlier A-body axle housings use different A-arm attach locations than
the 68-72 cars, resulting in weird pinion angles if you get the wrong
housing.

Note that the VC/Sportwagon brake drums can be replaced with new 2 1/2"
_front_ drums from A-body, F-body, and X-body cars.  Simply get the 2-piece
drum (for the application with a separate hub) and it fits right on.  I
used Nova front drums on the back of my 68 VC with no problems whatsoever.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:16:58 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: auto and 4 sp

Butch Happy Turkey day Chris

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:27:45 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!

I am trying to remove the outer window weatherstrip and stainless trim
from the door on my 69 convertible. I am unable to access the screws due
to the window position. I can see them perfectly through the glass, but
can't get to them. Does the glass have to be removed or is there a way
to adjust it so that it rolls down further? It only needs to go down
another 1/2 inch or so.

Any help is GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks
Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:32:46 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: shift indicator lens

It is precisely this piece we're talking about. In my Starfire, it's a piece
of transparent plastic, slightly curved on the side to side axis and
rectangular in shape. It has PRNDSL markings painted in white indentations
on the underside. The PRNDSL markings are actually
engraved or molded into the plastic then painted in white. Beneath this
cover piece are two thin black pieces which sandwich the red colored shift
position indicator as you move back and forth through the gears. 

I'm pretty sure this was a standard console for both big cars and
Cutlass/442's from maybe 64 to 66. I'm more confident that this piece is
common to the 64-66 starfires than the A bodies, but my chassis service
manual only shows one automatic console for Olds cars for 1966. In 67,
recall that they went to a padded dash. The Starfire disappeared due to the
arrival of a Toro as Olds's personal luxury coupe -- though maybe the same
console carried on in the late 60's Cutlasses and 442s.

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:22 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
> 
> 
> by the way I presume we are talking about the semi 
> transparent plastic with
> the PRNDSL markings  just need to know the dimension color 
> and thickness of
> the original I have a friend that does industrial engraving 
> he subcontracts
> aerospace jobs he can give me an estimate but needs to know 
> these things the
> scan would be good for shape etc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:15 PM
> Subject: RE: shift indicator lens
> 
> 
> >I've been watching this thread and am interested in getting 
> a lens made for
> >my 66 Starfire too. Unless they're
> >the same as the A bodies and already available from some 
> source or other.
> >
> >Ladies and Gentlemen -- anybody know if TH-400 console shift 
> lenses are
> >available for 66 Cutlasses or Starfires?
> >Are they the same? I think they might be for the automatic cars.
> >
> >thoughts?
> >cf
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:39 PM
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey list if you can get me a scan of an original that is good
> >> and let me
> >> know the size and material I can get you an estimate on
> >> reproing it ( I
> >> still have a few connections)...KK
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:01 AM
> >> Subject: shift indicator lens
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >OK guys (and Lisa et el.),
> >> >
> >> >            I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
> >> >the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
> >> >or repro maybe ?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Tanks
> >> >The General
> >> >
> >>
> 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:35:51 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Pontiac Engines ( I know, I know)

shang@connect.net wrote:

> 
>         Have a look at this link,
> 
> http://www.classicalpontiac.com


Steve, 

I didn't ask for this link, but I bookmarked it for future reference.  I
really do wish we could get a place where all of the car makes can be
listed for easy access.  I love the Cutlass/442 cars, but there are many
other good ones around also and doing a search sometimes doesn't enable
you find much.  

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:37:49 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!

You've got to take out the glass, or put it all the way down, with the
interior panel removed and then _maybe_ you can get at it.. To
remove the glass, use a 7/16's open end wrench and patience. It's easiest to
remove the glass when the door and quarter interior
panels are off, then you can move the window up & down to get at the nuts &
bolts which hold the glass in place. 

Be careful on reassembly too, don't hurry and be sure you get a tight seal
between the glass and weatherstripping -- otherwise you'll get the high
speed whistle and water dripping in your interior. Not good in winter...

Then it's off to the buffer you go with the stainless. 

On the plus side, it's really worth it to buff up your stainless. Next to
new paint, it makes the car look brand spanking new.

Really satisifying job if you care about asthetics. 

cf



> -----Original Message-----
> From: MB0 [mailto:MB0@americancentury.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 4:28 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!
> 
> 
> I am trying to remove the outer window weatherstrip and stainless trim
> from the door on my 69 convertible. I am unable to access the 
> screws due
> to the window position. I can see them perfectly through the 
> glass, but
> can't get to them. Does the glass have to be removed or is there a way
> to adjust it so that it rolls down further? It only needs to go down
> another 1/2 inch or so.
> 
> Any help is GREATLY appreciated!
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Baugher
> 69 Cutlass convertible
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:38:23 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Holley Pro-jection forsale?

To the guy with the Holley EFI and anyone else with experience on the
matter.
. Saw that you had a Holley EFI on the Olds list forsale. I would like
to discuss a possible application I have.
  I have the following engine in a 69 Cutlass. 1970 455, 10:25 pistons,
Crane 234/518, shaved E heads, HEI w/ Super coil, Torker II, 650
spreadbore. Bought the car this way.Obviously it could use more gas. I`m
wondering how your EFI might match up with this combo? Will I need
electonic advance distibutor? Will TorkerII be OK? Thanks, B.D.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:45:17 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: DRL's

David L Wyatt wrote:
> 
> This past Saturday was spent Junque Yarding for Olds parts with Don Sowers,
> Chris Smetana, and a friend of Chris' who I can't remember the name of. 

Boy am I glad you said this, because I thought I was the only one who's
memory seems to fade almost instantaneously.  Really nice guy, but I
couldn't remember either.  That you didn't remember either has reduced
the shame by at least half. :)  Now if I can just remember where I put
the car keys.......

> noticable as the new DRL's.  Along this line, motorcycles in Indiana have 
been
> required to run with the headlight on for visibility for many years.  

Not real sure, but I think this might be a federal reg.  I had a couple
Honda Gold Wings back in the mid 70s that had the DRS's also.  BTW, the
last legislature here in Ky made helmets for motorcycle riders optional
for those people that 1. were over a certain age (18 amybe?)  and 2. had
hospitalization in force.  Wonder how many the cops will stop and ask
for the vehicle insurance and proof of their hospitalization insurance?
Pretty much a joke to me.

> One of those freedom of choice things in my opinion.

Yep.  Kinda like what car you want to support.  :)

> 70  4-4-2

Good choice.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:46:18 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Holley EFI

Would that be a closed loop system?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:52:28 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: DRL's

Padavano.Joe@orbital.com wrote:

> under clear, daylight conditions (especially if I do the flame paint job I
> want...). 

Joe, sometimes I worry about you.  Things keep going like they have been
and I may have to sublet part of your truck to live in.  Seems like
everytime I get something close to finished, something else breaks.  And
my wife is getting a little put out about my continued outlay of money
for car pieces.  Guess I better start working on the 70 Cutlass conv so
she will back up for a while.  That one brings a little smile to her
face quickly.  Nice lady, but she just doesn't understand the car fetish
thingie.  (You know, gotta have car, gotta have parts, etc...)

> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

Well, I'm not as worried as I was I guess.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:57:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!

Mike,

I just removed the chrome off from my 69 Cutlass Hardtop. You have to
access them with the window rolled up. I'm assuming that you have the
door panel off.......now that I think about it.....there was only a
screw on the front of the door and the back of the door. They were on
the very outside of the door. The rest is snapped on with plastic clips.

Del


- ---MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com> wrote:
>
> I am trying to remove the outer window weatherstrip and stainless trim
> from the door on my 69 convertible. I am unable to access the screws
due
> to the window position. I can see them perfectly through the glass,
but
> can't get to them. Does the glass have to be removed or is there a way
> to adjust it so that it rolls down further? It only needs to go down
> another 1/2 inch or so.
> 
> Any help is GREATLY appreciated!
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Baugher
> 69 Cutlass convertible
> 

==
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:59:23 -0800
From: "Mincy's" <JMincy@email.msn.com>
Subject: 67 Vista Cruiser

I have A 67 Vista Cruiser and want to restore it. Where are the best sources
of information on getting parts? I need an AC unit, An original rear end and
interior items like carpet and headliner etc. Any info on this particular
year and model would be appreceiated.


JMincy

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:59:32 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: DRL's

...Seems like everytime I get something close to finished, something else
breaks...
_________

Yeah, that's why I broke down and finally ordered a brand new truck.  I
figured I could spend my time fixing and restoring the old one, or I could
spend that time on the Oldsmobiles.  It got to the point that the current
truck needs a new motor, trans, steering box, PS pump, and many body panels
replaced.  Of course, while I'm replacing the motor, I mightaswell spring
for the crate 502, or worse, adapt a 455 Olds...you can see that the only
way to nip this one in the bud is to bail out and get a new one...

==============
...And my wife is getting a little put out about my continued outlay of
money
for car pieces...but she just doesn't understand the car fetish
thingie.  (You know, gotta have car, gotta have parts, etc...)
_________

Yep, (soon to be ex-) Wife #2 was the same way.  It's funny, as she's the
one who always rescues stray cats and dogs, but couldn't understand why I'd
want to rescue stray 442s...I mean, let's talk about endangered species.
There won't ever be any more 64-72 442s in the world than there are now.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:05:25 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!

Does the glass have to be removed or is there a way
> to adjust it so that it rolls down further? It only needs to go down
> another 1/2 inch or so.
_________

Actually, the trick here is to loosen the lower window stop.  Remove the
inner door panel and you'll see a series of bolts scattered around the
metal door panel.  Locate the one on the bottom which holds the lower stop
bracket (you'll need to look through the various cutouts on the door panel
to verify that you have the correct one) and loosen the bolt.  It's in a
slotted hole, so it should slide down sufficiently far to allow you to roll
the window further down and access the weatherstrip screws.  If not, simply
remove it completely and the window will go down even further.  Note that
there may be more than one lower stop to remove.  When the weatherstrip
installation is complete, roll the window back up and reinstall the lower
stop.  Roll the window down until the top of the glass is even with the
weatherstrip.  Slide the lower stop up until it contacts the glass and
tighen the bolt.  Roll the window up and down to verify you have it in the
correct place and adjust if necessary.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:15:49 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

In a message dated 11/24/98 11:47:32 PM Central Standard Time,
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Not every car thrill is judged by the strip times. How about that crisp
fall
 day. With piles of falling leaves flying about as you pass through them.
 Hitting the swoops and shakiness of a back country road pushing the limits
 of your street tire. Romping up and down through the gearing as your
 adrenaline escalates. I've never felt that "man and machine commitment"
 behind an automatic.
  >>

....I want to add  what a miserable exsperience it is driving a heavy clucthed
4-speed in afternoon traffic during a Dallas traffic jam!...Reality hurts!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:18:59 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Pro-jection forsale?

In a message dated 11/25/98, 9:41:51 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<To the guy with the Holley EFI and anyone else with experience on the
matter.
. Saw that you had a Holley EFI on the Olds list forsale. I would like
to discuss a possible application I have.
  I have the following engine in a 69 Cutlass. 1970 455, 10:25 pistons,
Crane 234/518, shaved E heads, HEI w/ Super coil, Torker II, 650
spreadbore. Bought the car this way.Obviously it could use more gas. I`m
wondering how your EFI might match up with this combo? Will I need
electonic advance distibutor? Will TorkerII be OK? Thanks, B.D.>>
I think you would be better off contacting holley for application. That will
take out the guess work or hear say. Im sure it will be fine i have it on a 70
455 same heads msd,hei,supe coil,performer,10:25,crane fireball 491in 518ex
291dur works fine. Have not been to the track with the unit. Dying to go

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:19:52 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley EFI

In a message dated 11/25/98, 9:48:15 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<Would that be a closed loop system?>>
yes

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:22:30 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

In a message dated 11/25/98 8:15:32 AM Central Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< Ken, that's excellent back-to-back comparison data, and most of what you
 wrote is pretty much right on.  The only thing I need to point out is that
 a normally aspirated vehicle's performance is dependent on air conditions
 at the time.  Hard-core racers will measure weather conditions during a run
 and normalize all times to standard temperature and pressure when using
 these runs to compare modifications.  (Remember that "scientific method"
 they taught you in high school).  I'm certainly not trying to discredit
 your data, but to be completely accurate, we'd need to know the air
 conditions at the time.
  >>

Do you really think that air(climate) factors have that big of an inpact on
performance? What weather conditions can I drive in to drop a full 1/4sec. in
times...on a average? He did say best outta twenty for each transmission.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:31:09 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

Do you really think that air(climate) factors have that big of an inpact on
performance? What weather conditions can I drive in to drop a full 1/4sec.
in
times...on a average? He did say best outta twenty for each transmission.
_______

Absolutely.  Cold, dry air will consistently produce the best power and
quarter mile times.  The number that sticks in my head is a one HP
improvement for every 7 degrees F that the intake air is cooled.  Witness
the ET and MPH numbers of NHRA Pro Stock cars.  There's actually a
controversy going on right now that the new Friday night qualifying session
results in a single shot at making the field, due to the performance
advantage of running in the cooler night air (other sessions are held
during the day).  Warren Johnson's first 200 MPH runs in a legal Pro
Stocker were made here in Virginia under cool, high pressure conditions.

In addition, I would compare average times, not the best of 20.  Typically
in statistical data comparisons one will throw out the high and low values
to eliminate any possible anomalies from skewing the data.  Again, I'm not
criticizing the original post, in fact, I'd like to encourage that type of
factual comparison data, but to be absolutely, scientifically correct, the
data should be corrected for atmospheric conditions.  This is the
difference between a winning and losing bracket racer.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:41:24 +0000
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: Come and Get It

I was just wandering, what year is that 307.  I live in the Minneapolis
area, and may be interested.  Also, what other things might you have been
looking at getting rid of?

Joe B

66 olds F-85




On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:53:34 -0500 tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
writes:
>I gotta make room in my garage, so if anyone wants a very nice running 
>307
>come and get it!  The price is free.  It is complete from carb to pan, 
>fan
>to flywheel.  I have too much stuff, and no real room for this engine. 
> It
>has the rally pac temp and oil sendeing units on it too.  I may be 
>getting
>rid of some other stuff too.  I NEED ROOM!  I am in the Minneapolis 
>area.
>I do not want to go through the hassle of shipping it anywhere.  
>E-mail me
>if you want it and I will give you directions.
>
>Tony
>
>70 442 W-30
>70 442 W-30 convert
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
>84 Hurst/Olds
>85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS
>
> 
>_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/+++\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
>
>
>                                        Tony Waldner
>tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
>                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
>                                         White Bear Lake, MN
>                                                       55110
>
> 
>\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_+++_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:55:38 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

On the subject of weather and 1/4 mile times,  I think excessive heat or
cold can greatly reduce traction.  Is this just my local dragstrip? Has
the heat damaged my mind? 
Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:16:17 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser's similar cousins... anybody?

"This wagon features Buick's distinctive Skyroof, with three glass
panels in the raised roof above the rear compartment."

Does this sound messed up to anybody else? 
>
>Okay, how would you like to see _two_ of them right now?
>
>http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1964_Buick_Skylark.html
>
>http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1968_Buick_SportWagon.html
>

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:18:44 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

>Do you really think that air(climate) factors have that big of an inpact on
>performance? What weather conditions can I drive in to drop a full 1/4sec.

To back up what Joe said in his reply to this, I ran my V-6 m*libu this spring
on a warm (low 70's) day and got 12.90's all day long.  This fall I took it
back to the same 1/8 mile track.  It was a cool (high in the 50's) day and the
temp dropped as the day turned to evening.  I started out in the 12.80's and
ended up in the 12.60's before the night was over.  The cool dense air really
picked up a bone stock slug.  I have witnessed similar, but smaller gains with
the Jr. Dragster as well.  The changing air is what makes bracket racing so
difficult.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:32:06 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Removing outer window weatherstrip - help!

>You've got to take out the glass, or put it all the way down, with the
>interior panel removed and then _maybe_ you can get at it.. 

If you look around usually you can loosen the stops that keep the 
window from rolling down any further to get access.  Saves having
to realign the window.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:37:25 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: Holley Pro-jection forsale?

AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/25/98, 9:41:51 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> writes:
> <<To the guy with the Holley EFI and anyone else with experience on
> the
> matter.
> . Saw that you had a Holley EFI on the Olds list forsale. I would like
>
> to discuss a possible application I have.
>   I have the following engine in a 69 Cutlass. 1970 455, 10:25
> pistons,
> Crane 234/518, shaved E heads, HEI w/ Super coil, Torker II, 650
> spreadbore. Bought the car this way.Obviously it could use more gas.
> I`m
> wondering how your EFI might match up with this combo? Will I need
> electonic advance distibutor? Will TorkerII be OK? Thanks, B.D.>>
> I think you would be better off contacting holley for application.
> That will
> take out the guess work or hear say. Im sure it will be fine i have it
> on a 70
> 455 same heads msd,hei,supe coil,performer,10:25,crane fireball 491in
> 518ex
> 291dur works fine. Have not been to the track with the unit. Dying to
> go

   Sounds like you have very similar set-up. Cam is exactly the same.
What part of the country you in ?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:22:57 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

>On the subject of weather and 1/4 mile times,  I think excessive heat or
>cold can greatly reduce traction.  Is this just my local dragstrip? Has
>the heat damaged my mind?

A nice warm track usually provides good traction.  Too hot and the oils will
rise up and make things slippery.  Too cold and nothing will stick.  Just
watch the roudy-round cars to see a real effect of temp and traction.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:48:31 -0500
From: "Chris Costantino" <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: 67 Cutlass 4-door in a U-Pull-it

Along a similar note - I found a 4 door 67 Cutlass at Copher Brothers U-Pull
in Tampa. It has what I believe to be a 330 w/AC. I thought about it for my
72 (briefly, anyway). It is missing the carb. All of the A/C stuff is there.
Actually, most of the car is there. From what I remember its missing little
stuff and the hood. The bare motor would cost $100, and the motor with
everything attached(alt,ac,ps) is $150. FYI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Arnold, W D
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:17 PM
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: He scores again!!
>
>
> How much? How Much !
>  Great find man. Give yourself a big pat on the back...
>
> > ----------
> > From: 	bloom9@juno.com[SMTP:bloom9@juno.com]
> > Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent: 	Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:03 PM
> > To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: 	He scores again!!
> >
> > Hello all, I was very fortunate last sunday. On the way home
> from church,
> > I went on a road I don't usually travel on. As I'm driving along, all of
> > a sudden, out of the corner of my eye I spy an old car. It's a '67
> > Cutlass S! Needless to say, I whipped the wife's FAV (female assault
> > vehicle,'92 GMC full size van) off the highway and turned around. What I
> > found was an excellent parts car!
> >
> > The car has got way too many problems for a total restore, as
> in holes in
> > various places, crushed right rear quarter, both bumpers slightly bent,
> > not original engine, dented hood and trunk. Also, the front buckets are
> > gone.
> >
> > Now, you might be wondering what the good parts are. All the A\C is
> > there, engine is a 455 with 4 barrel quad, haven't ID'd tranny yet (
> > hopefully it's a 350), floor console in good shape and complete, all
> > glass is good with factory tint, what I believe are SS111 wheels, good
> > fenders and doors. The interior is complete ( except for the buckets).
> >
> > So, what I'm excited about is there's enough body stuff that I need and,
> > although the original drive train has been replaced, there is a 455 with
> > rebuildable tranny and rear end.
> >
> > The car is at a paint and body shop and one of the owners bought it out
> > of a salvage  yard with the intentions of finding another '67
> to rebuild,
> > but he lost interest. He's currently  rebuilding a '70 Cutlass. The best
> > part is he sold me the car for what he had in it and will let
> me strip it
> > at his shop so my neighbors won't gripe!
> >
> > So, for the next several weeks my 14 year old son and I are gonna be
> > wrenchin' !
> >
> > Fred Kemp
> > bloom9@juno.com
> > Tulsa, OK area
> > '67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass
> >
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:42:08 -0600
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

Arnold, W D wrote:
> 
> Very well put Gary.
> Sometimes I find myself 'pretending' with my automatic. You know, run it up
> hard to 5000 rpm, let off a little(holding 5000), then reach down and push
> it into 2nd then get on it again.
> Donny
> 


Being a 4-speed guy I'm a little slow, but I believe this is a swipe at
4-speeds.  I've owned both a '67 442 Turbo 400 and a '65 442 4-speed. 
For me it is a matter of preference and I like 4-speeds.  No need to
take swipes at others.

BTW: If you're worth your weight in salt and own a 4-speed, you should
know how to speed shift from first to second w/o taking your foot off
the gas.  No fumbling involved.  The syncro make a nice "munch" sound as
it engages and your foot slips off the clutch as it hits the floor.  You
should also know how to slip the clutch off the line.  You may heat
check the flywheel, but you'll have traction and avoid "the bog
monster".  Depends how "b@lls-out" you want to go.  Nothing worse than
missing a shift, over revving the engine and ruining a syncro.

Later.


Paul "Love that munching sound" Brillhart
'65 442 4-speed


> > ----------
> > From:         <GJC> CC-IROC-SS[SMTP:gjcouse@francomm.com]
> > Reply To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent:         Wednesday, November 25, 1998 12:44 AM
> > To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject:      RE: 4-speed Vs. TH400
> >
> > My original intent on this thread was the interaction between the car and
> > the senses of power when throwing the gears. Not who was first down the
> > line, nor even the line it's self.
> >
> > Not every car thrill is judged by the strip times. How about that crisp
> > fall
> > day. With piles of falling leaves flying about as you pass through them.
> > Hitting the swoops and shakiness of a back country road pushing the limits
> > of your street tire. Romping up and down through the gearing as your
> > adrenaline escalates. I've never felt that "man and machine commitment"
> > behind an automatic.
> >
> > -----Regards,
> >
> > Gary J. Couse
> > Couse Customs
> > mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com
> >
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:56:49 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: auto vs 4 speed  debate - NHRA stock class records

Hello all,

 I bet most NHRA stock class record holders are spending every last dime
to set/keep those records.
 
 In a nut shell, most stock class stick and automatic records are within
a tenth of each other. I believe the following is true;

1. most of the GM stock class cars run highly modified glides[old
chevies only], or 200 metric trannies that don't use 1/2 the power that
a TH 400 does, but they don't last long in the higher hp classes.
3. Most faster class stick cars run Jerico[sp?] gear boxes. 

 I bet a car with a TH 400 would be a tenth or two slower than one with
a more "slippery" trans. 

That's my 2 cents.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass 11.41@119.96 w/ TH 400 [wish it had a Jerico 4 speed]

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:24:54 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400 ~and~ oiling!

In a message dated 98-11-24 11:48:45 EST, you write:

<<  A properly driven four speed (or 5 or 6) will always be quicker than a 3
speed automatic.  >>

Agree with this and all conditions.

Until....you consider the few years with switch pitch TH400s.
If you wanna beat one with a 4-speed manual,  it had better be a long
strip....

Seriously, this is actually one of the factors that karl forgot to mention in
the "oiling" thread.

That is that prolonged highway travels ARE at relatively high RPM, in the
TH-400s third gear. Especially if you are overly enthusiastic about throttle
usage. 
Like Karl.

This places the engine in the mythic state of high RPM and full oiling with
little in the sump and most in the rest of the engine.

Again, this is not a real problem.

The stop for fuel every three hours or so allows oil to find its way back into
the sump.

Just make a biological pit stop, wash the glass, smell the roses, hit on a
chick or three, and hit the road again. (any dipstick check is inacurate
unless sitting for an hour or more)

And pass everyone you saw in your rearview mirror 30 minutes ago.

Happy Oldsmobiling.

SOM

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:03:08 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400 ~and~ oiling!

<snipped>
>
>Just make a biological pit stop, wash the glass, smell the roses, hit on a
>chick or three, and hit the road again. (any dipstick check is inacurate
>unless sitting for an hour or more)

Dipstick checks may also be thrown off by number 4, above
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>
>And pass everyone you saw in your rearview mirror 30 minutes ago.
>
>Happy Oldsmobiling.
>
>SOM

roger 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:04:58 EST
From: SHELTERMEN@aol.com
Subject: 77 Cutlass parts car wanted

Anyone know of a junkyard in the NJ area that might have one.  I just need the
sheet metal.  Can even be slightly rusty.  It's going on a race car.
Thanks,

Tim
67 Delmont
77 Cutlass Street Stock (new)

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:16:09 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Door Hinge Pin&Bushing Replacement

Been waiting for sombody to answer this to see if there's some nifty 
tool for this job.  I've done it a couple of times but it basically boiled
down to creative uses for vises and screwdrivers.  Getting the spring
out isn't very hard.  Getting it back in is a complete different issue.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>On my 72 442 I have all 4 door hinges off and I want to replace the pins
>and bushings. The question I have is how to remove the pin from the hinge
>which has the spring in it. The spring is under great tension and is
>difficult to remove.
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:23:50 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

you obviously never tried my big block camaro 9.00 in the Q wit an auto
th400
- -----Original Message-----
From: <GJC> CC-IROC-SS <gjcouse@francomm.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: 4-speed Vs. TH400


>My original intent on this thread was the interaction between the car and
>the senses of power when throwing the gears. Not who was first down the
>line, nor even the line it's self.
>
>Not every car thrill is judged by the strip times. How about that crisp
fall
>day. With piles of falling leaves flying about as you pass through them.
>Hitting the swoops and shakiness of a back country road pushing the limits
>of your street tire. Romping up and down through the gearing as your
>adrenaline escalates. I've never felt that "man and machine commitment"
>behind an automatic.
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Customs
>mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:32:51 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: shift indicator lens

OK really need a sample sounds easy enough and cheap but the maker needs a
sample I personally dont have one a good measured drawing regardles of the
curve ie flat with the thickness noted as well as spacing and size for the
letters he could do as many as you guys are willing to pay for (have to pay
him something ) if you can send specifics that will work
I can draft the drawing my self if you can draw it then scan it send it to
kerryk@cwix.com and I'll get an estimate clear with letters in white is the
easiest thing to do...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: shift indicator lens


>It is precisely this piece we're talking about. In my Starfire, it's a
piece
>of transparent plastic, slightly curved on the side to side axis and
>rectangular in shape. It has PRNDSL markings painted in white indentations
>on the underside. The PRNDSL markings are actually
>engraved or molded into the plastic then painted in white. Beneath this
>cover piece are two thin black pieces which sandwich the red colored shift
>position indicator as you move back and forth through the gears.
>
>I'm pretty sure this was a standard console for both big cars and
>Cutlass/442's from maybe 64 to 66. I'm more confident that this piece is
>common to the 64-66 starfires than the A bodies, but my chassis service
>manual only shows one automatic console for Olds cars for 1966. In 67,
>recall that they went to a padded dash. The Starfire disappeared due to the
>arrival of a Toro as Olds's personal luxury coupe -- though maybe the same
>console carried on in the late 60's Cutlasses and 442s.
>
>cf
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:22 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
>>
>>
>> by the way I presume we are talking about the semi
>> transparent plastic with
>> the PRNDSL markings  just need to know the dimension color
>> and thickness of
>> the original I have a friend that does industrial engraving
>> he subcontracts
>> aerospace jobs he can give me an estimate but needs to know
>> these things the
>> scan would be good for shape etc.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:15 PM
>> Subject: RE: shift indicator lens
>>
>>
>> >I've been watching this thread and am interested in getting
>> a lens made for
>> >my 66 Starfire too. Unless they're
>> >the same as the A bodies and already available from some
>> source or other.
>> >
>> >Ladies and Gentlemen -- anybody know if TH-400 console shift
>> lenses are
>> >available for 66 Cutlasses or Starfires?
>> >Are they the same? I think they might be for the automatic cars.
>> >
>> >thoughts?
>> >cf
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:39 PM
>> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> >> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey list if you can get me a scan of an original that is good
>> >> and let me
>> >> know the size and material I can get you an estimate on
>> >> reproing it ( I
>> >> still have a few connections)...KK
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
>> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:01 AM
>> >> Subject: shift indicator lens
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >OK guys (and Lisa et el.),
>> >> >
>> >> >            I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
>> >> >the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
>> >> >or repro maybe ?????
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Tanks
>> >> >The General
>> >> >
>> >>
>>

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