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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, December 26 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1685



Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar
Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...
Christmas & New Year 
Re: Battery in rear wiring opinions needed.
Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
Re: Pinstripe Question
Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question (was: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???)
A-Body Rack & Pinion
Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar
Re: A-Body Rack & Pinion
Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar
RE: scanner
Re: '99 Olds Nats??
Re: 4 BARREL AIR CLEANER
Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
Re: Good News
OOPS!
Re: OOPS!
Re: Need 1972 442 W-29 paint stripe specs
Need e-mail for pontiac list
Re: OOPS!
Re: Need e-mail for Pontiac list
Re: OOPS!
Did it again
Re: Did it again
Re: OOPS!
Rear end ID?
Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list
W-30 STRIPES
Re: A-Body Rack & Pinion
Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
'68 cutlass
Re:  Rear end ID?
Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..
Christmas Present
Edelbrock Torker
need copy of olds digests #1671-#1676
Slept through Christmas/torque peak/Olds powered F***?
Re: 425 Crank Question
455 vs 073
69 H/O Model
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: 69 H/O Model
G Body motor mounts
Re: 69 H/O Model
Re: 425 Crank Question
69 442 for Xmas 

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:54:57 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar

Brad, check with your Olds dealer to see if an OEM bar is still available. I
just got one from GM for my '72 Cutlass. You will need to box the lower
control arms if you want to put a sway bar on, or they will flex and possibly
collapse. They are easy to get off, and any welder can box them for you. Just
take a piece of flat steel the width of the arms and weld it on. You need to
reinforce the arms on the inside with a couple of pieces of steel tubing where
the sway bar bolts pass thru the arms. You should see a noticeable increase in
handling.

Jon

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:03:00 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Deltas, Deltas everywhere...

>>
>>2 door, 4 door and a couple options for masts and sails I think.
>>
>
>Sails are...?
>
>Masts are?
>


Just a light hearted reference to the Oldsmoboat Delta 88, of which I am a
big fan.

drc
85 Delta Royale Land Yaght

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:52:50 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Christmas & New Year 

Just thought that I would wish everyone a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:05:09 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Battery in rear wiring opinions needed.

Doh! Now, why didn't I think of that?

drc

>Yeah, it's called the frame;)  Run a large cable from the battery - to the
>frame near the trunk and a large cable from the frame to the motor at the
>front.
>
>-- 
>Cliff Simpson
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:09:52 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???

>Also, Olds never
>released a hemi motor (other than the Quad 4)....

Quad-4's are hemis? I woulda thought the hemi's propensity for spitting raw
fuel out the tailpipe would make the design unacceptable for modern
emissions engines. Cool.

drc

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:16:39 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Pinstripe Question

>Any pinstripers out there? The question I have is if a pinstripe can be
>fixed by sanding down the clear to get a rough finish (1500-2000 grit) and
>then have a professional pinstriper take white paint and then touch up a
>white line and then clear it over, wet sand and then buff? Will this work??


Yup. If you're willing to sand thru the clear far enough to get to the paint
underneath, it can be fixed.

Make sure the repair area is a lot bigger than necessary - it's easier to
blend the new clear in over a wide area. Good luck.

drc

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:25:07 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question (was: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???)

Quad 4's are hemi's and as I understand it, they can be made to perform
ADMIRABLY. The GM performance parts catalog has a slew of parts for them
including HP heads, cams, blocks, manifolds, etc. Trivia: How long has it
been since Chrysler installed a Hemi engine in a production automobile?

- -----Original Message-----

>
>>Also, Olds never
>>released a hemi motor (other than the Quad 4)....
>
>Quad-4's are hemis? I woulda thought the hemi's propensity for spitting raw
>fuel out the tailpipe would make the design unacceptable for modern
>emissions engines. Cool.
>
>drc
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:37:01 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: A-Body Rack & Pinion

Is there any way to convert 67-72 A-body steering to a Rack & Pinion system?

jp

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:51:59 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar

Also, when you find your donor car, be sure to take the bolts from the

side of the rear control arm instead of under it.  There is a bracket
that bolts on to the bar that you will need for your installation. 
Taking the bolts from the bottom seems more obvious but then you won't
get all of your parts.  It will take a little manipulation to get the
bar out and just about as much to get it wedged into your car, but it
does make a difference, and they are pretty cheap.
Brian. 

Frederick Nissen wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> Are you sure you have a 350 two barrel?  All factory Olds 350 gas engines in
> '79 were equipped with Quadrajets.
> 
> Rear sway bar is easy to add on.  The best is the 24mm unit common on the
> F-41 (handling package) or 9C1 (police option) Caprice.  This is also found
> on various Buicks, Pontiacs and Cadillacs built between '77 and '96.
> Measure your front bar.  If it is 26mm or greater, adding the rear bar is a
> good idea.  If it is smaller than 26mm, upgrade the front bar as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Fred
> 1977 Delta 88
> 1977 98 Regency
> 1978 Delta 88 Royale
> 1979 98 LS
> 
> PS -  Your '79 98 sounds like a nice car.  What is the color scheme and
> option list?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BradRoss79@aol.com <BradRoss79@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 10:51 PM
> Subject: Rear Stabilizer Bar
> 
> >Hello, and Merry Christmas to everybody!
> >
> > I have a 1979 Ninety-Eight Regency coupe and have been thinking about
> putting
> >a rear stabilizer bar on it. I have seen them on a few similar cars
> (LeSabres,
> >Caddys, and other cars of that vintage) and was wondering if they are easy
> to
> >put on or if any of you know where, or what cars I can get one from that
> would
> >fit my car.
> >I think my car would look really cool with a stabilizer bar on it, plus my
> >handling may be improved a little.  For those who are interested, My car
> has
> >57,000 miles on it, 350-2bbl and is Willow Green with White Landau top and
> >Green cloth interior.  I have added 2" dual exhausts with chrome tips and
> it
> >looks and sounds great!
> > Thanks in advance for any and all of your information.
> >Brad.
> >1979 98 Regency
> >1971 Delta 88 Royale hardtop
> >1971 Delta 88 Custom Town Sedan
> >1959 Cadillac Hearse (boo!)
> >

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:57:20 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: A-Body Rack & Pinion

You can convert ANY car to rack and pinion, it's a matter of how much
fabrication/modification  required. I believe that a steering rack will
mount on the cross member of an A-body, though pads will have to be
fabricated and welded to the crossmember for a flat surface on which to
mount the rack. This "shouldn't" be too major a job. I have never done it
personally and would like to know all the details myself as a rack would
make an excellent weight savings.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Is there any way to convert 67-72 A-body steering to a Rack & Pinion
system?
>
>jp
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:57:33 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Stabilizer Bar

To save a trip to the welder's, and if oyu want to get a stabilizer bar
from a dealer, you can go to the junkyards and get the boxes that fit
around the stabilizer bar without taking the bar itself.  it just bolts
onto the control arms and in turn to the bar.  Real time saver and it is
made to fit already.  Just my $.02....
Brian.

Jon442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Brad, check with your Olds dealer to see if an OEM bar is still available. I
> just got one from GM for my '72 Cutlass. You will need to box the lower
> control arms if you want to put a sway bar on, or they will flex and possibly
> collapse. They are easy to get off, and any welder can box them for you. Just
> take a piece of flat steel the width of the arms and weld it on. You need to
> reinforce the arms on the inside with a couple of pieces of steel tubing 
where
> the sway bar bolts pass thru the arms. You should see a noticeable increase 
in
> handling.
> 
> Jon

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:45:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Mritunjay Singh <msingh@tristan.tn.cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: scanner

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Optical Resolution, 4800 x 4800 Max Interpolated Resolution, Parallel
Interface.


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- -Mritunjay

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:23:13 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: '99 Olds Nats??

K, 
On Christmas??
Lou
- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '99 Olds Nats??
 After all, cant ignore the Olds folk who still own Vegas.....
 SOM
 &KA

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:22:32 EST
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4 BARREL AIR CLEANER

THANKS FOR LOOKING, I'M IN MINNEAPOLIS, MN
LEIGH TENENHOLTZ

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:50:11 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???

Dave, 
Thats what makes them soooo bad.
Lou
- ---------
> From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???
Quad-4's are hemis? I woulda thought the hemi's propensity for spitting raw
> fuel out the tailpipe would make the design unacceptable for modern
> emissions engines. Cool.
> 
> drc

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:08:33 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Good News

It's Christmas day, Sherry gave me my present, I get to stay for another
year.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:14:04 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Good News

Hmmmm.  That's what I got instead of coal in my stocking.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 5:07 PM
Subject: Good News


>It's Christmas day, Sherry gave me my present, I get to stay for another
>year.
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:36:18 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Good News

Peter, 
Would have settled for a BJ, oh well. Somedays you win, somedays -------!
Lou
- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good News
 

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:42:27 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: Good News

  A BJ.......????   You do mean a blue Javelin dont ya??? I thought this was 
an all 
Olds mailing list!!!!!

lol   MERRY CHRISTMAS FELLOWS

..................................Mike  !!!


Peter, 
Would have settled for a BJ, oh well. Somedays you win, somedays -------!
Lou

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:45:32 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Good News

Peter, 
Get the message on the Pont? Once you get about 50 miles south of me
everyone looks like they were in "Deliverance". Way too much inbreeding. I
thought it was filmed in Ga., apparently not, probably in Ruma.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good News
> 

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:56:04 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Good News

Lou!
BJ isnt olds related (its more backseat related), so try to keep it
"nonsexual" olds content, ok?
Kelly

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:18:22 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Good News

Thought I was replying to Peter, Big Joint, no dope talk here, yes Blue
Javelin, picked it up yesterday, great car! going to trade it for another
Vega.
Lou
- ----------
> From: krzy4evr@usit.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good News
> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 11:42 AM

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:26:15 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Good News

Kelly, 
Was an OOPS, sorry to all and any, PM only, not for personal use or
distribution
Lou
 
- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good News
> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 5:56 PM
> 
> Lou!
> BJ isnt olds related (its more backseat related), so try to keep it
> "nonsexual" olds content, ok?
> Kelly

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:33:10 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: OOPS!

Sorry to anyone I have offended, should have stayed with writing letters!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:06:08 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: OOPS!

Louie, Louie, Louie,  What are you talking about ?  We're allowed to talk
about Javelins, if we need to.  And since there is an expectation that you
would trade it for an Olds, then surely it is fit meat for the list.
However, since you have failed to inquire into my "barn fresh"  '66
Toronado, perhaps some form of excoriation is in order. Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 7:32 PM
Subject: OOPS!


>Sorry to anyone I have offended, should have stayed with writing letters!
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:33:22 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Need 1972 442 W-29 paint stripe specs

Michael Maxwell wrote:
> I have seen the body stripe detail with one small and one medium stripe 

That would be the standard 442 stripe.

> and also with two small stripes on either side of the medium
> thickness stripe. 

That would be the W-30 stripe.

> Also, I have pictures of '72 442's with no deck lid
> (trunk) striping, but the W-29 option does specify this.

The W-30 does not have the striping on the decklid (or is my memory
going), but the standard 442 (W-29 option) does.  BTW, this "stripe" is
actually a pinstripe on the edge of the trunklid, NOT large stripes like
a pace car or a Ch**y.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:57:40 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Need e-mail for pontiac list

Hello,
Does anyone out there have the address for the pontiac list(s)?
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass W-31

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:02:02 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: OOPS!

Peter, 
Did you pick it up? Did you stay away from the Mex ladies? Take a pix,
would like to see it, before and after.
Q!  Why are we on here Christmas day, are we strange?  If I get to Ga. your
buying, gasoline expenses and so forth, got any pecans?? In St. Lou its on
me, we'll do the Arch, its been there forever, have free passes, never went
up. Kinda like Stone Mountain
Lou
PS Was trying to muddy up the water, fuck a whole bunch of AMCs
- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:04:39 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Need e-mail for Pontiac list

No, but Peter B. knows it all, or will shortly, He's really nice for a Gray
Coat!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: Need e-mail for pontiac list
> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 7:57 PM
> 
> Hello,
> Does anyone out there have the address for the pontiac list(s)?
> Thanks,
> Jim McKeague
> 1970 Rallye 350
> 1970 Cutlass W-31

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:05:12 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: OOPS!

I know that most of this is none of my business, but I have to ask....what
is "excoriation"?
				Thanks,
				R. Kevin Noon
				66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
				85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham (For Sale) $300.00 
The price should
indicate the condition.

- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: OOPS!
> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 8:06 PM
> 
> Louie, Louie, Louie,  What are you talking about ?  We're allowed to talk
> about Javelins, if we need to.  And since there is an expectation that
you
> would trade it for an Olds, then surely it is fit meat for the list.
> However, since you have failed to inquire into my "barn fresh"  '66
> Toronado, perhaps some form of excoriation is in order. Peter.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 7:32 PM
> Subject: OOPS!
> 
> 
> >Sorry to anyone I have offended, should have stayed with writing
letters!
> >Lou Biggs
> >lbiggs@intertek.net
> >
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:09:10 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Did it again

All, 
Thought I was NOT posting to the list, it's all Peters fault. Sorry
again!!!!!
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:28:54 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Did it again

Peter denies any and all responsibility, liability and/or participation in
Lou Bigg's evil ways.  Peter accepts responsibility only for his new (old)
Olds.  Peter never even heard of a Javelin in any context other than an
athletic event.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 9:08 PM
Subject: Did it again


>All,
>Thought I was NOT posting to the list, it's all Peters fault. Sorry
>again!!!!!
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:31:27 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: OOPS!

A whipping or beating, usually associated with a whip or flail.
- -----Original Message-----
From: rkn <rkn@ezaccess.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: OOPS!


>I know that most of this is none of my business, but I have to ask....what
>is "excoriation"?
> Thanks,
> R. Kevin Noon
> 66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
> 85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham (For Sale) $300.00 The price should
>indicate the condition.
>
>----------
>> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: OOPS!
>> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 8:06 PM
>>
>> Louie, Louie, Louie,  What are you talking about ?  We're allowed to talk
>> about Javelins, if we need to.  And since there is an expectation that
>you
>> would trade it for an Olds, then surely it is fit meat for the list.
>> However, since you have failed to inquire into my "barn fresh"  '66
>> Toronado, perhaps some form of excoriation is in order. Peter.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
>> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 7:32 PM
>> Subject: OOPS!
>>
>>
>> >Sorry to anyone I have offended, should have stayed with writing
>letters!
>> >Lou Biggs
>> >lbiggs@intertek.net
>> >
>>
>>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:34:05 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <olds442@mcn.net>
Subject: Rear end ID?

OK, here is the code of the passenger side of the axle just like where the
FAQ says to look.  Problem is...  it does not match up to anything in the
FAQ or my 65 chassis manual.  Anybody no what it is?

    LW B059 1

Center section has   "A"   in raised letters in three spots, it also has the
# 1235197 on it.

Ring gear has the following markings:

1234670   41  12GMC    and also 3GMC  and is marked yellow.

Carrier has the following # on it  15-24-102-10  and is the cone type
limited slip

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Travis Adams
65 442 Sports Coupe

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:55:35 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Need e-mail for pontiac list

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Does anyone out there have the address for the pontiac list(s)?

A good place to start might be www.classicalpontiac.com
Try that and see how it works for you.  There are other places
referenced at that site.  Good luck.........

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:00:32 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: W-30 STRIPES

       MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!! Thanks to ALL on this list!! Aspecial to Bob
Schinkel for telling me about the "LIST" almost a year ago,THANKS Bob!!!
A quick question? On a W-30,if the car has the original paint with original
"W-30" striping could it be any thing else? The car is a 1970 and I have not
found any build sheets but then again I have not looked real hard. Any
thoughts, comments.    Jack

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:23:42 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: A-Body Rack & Pinion

Is there any way to convert 67-72 A-body steering to a Rack & Pinion
system?

jp
__________

Sure, just torch off the frame rails at the firewall and weld on a front
frame kit from Alston/Chassisworks/ et al.  These are usually based on the
Mustang II front suspension, including the rack and pinion.

Oh, you meant at a reasonable price.....

Never mind.

(Note to Jonathan:  Got the JPEG, haven't had time yet to review it)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:36:08 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 468 Olds Hemi???

>Also, Olds never
>released a hemi motor (other than the Quad 4)....

Quad-4's are hemis? I woulda thought the hemi's propensity for spitting raw
fuel out the tailpipe would make the design unacceptable for modern
emissions engines. Cool.

drc
_________

Yep, the term "hemi" is short for hemispherical combustion chamber.  Of
course, no one picked up on my original error.  Olds _did_ release a hemi
motor other than the Q4 - the Aurora!

Pretty much any four-valve motor these days uses a hemi head, or a
modification thereof.  (actually, the head is not a true hemisphere, as the
valve stems are all normal to the crank centerline, resulting in flat spots
at the top of the chamber) The rarity is the two valve, pushrod hemi.  The
best known is the Chrysler hemi, in it's 426 configuration and in the
earlier version which culminated in the 392 (and I think some of the very
early small displacement hemis, like the Desoto and others, were unique to
themselves).  Don't forget that the Boss 429 Ford was also a true hemi head
motor.  The 427 cammer was not, however.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:42:46 PST
From: "ALLAN KIT" <akvent@hotmail.com>
Subject: '68 cutlass

Hi there:
I have a muscle car era question for olds buffs. I'm speaking of the
w-31 option only.  How many 1968 Olds Cutlass  'S'  W31  convertibles
were produced?  I must sooth the curiousity as the books I'd looked in 
don't show any and I'd located one with a factory options list.
                         Hope to hear a response, best wishes, Allan.

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:17:12 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Rear end ID?

In a message dated 12/25/98 7:41:24 PM, olds442@mcn.net wrote:

<<1234670   41  12GMC    and also 3GMC  and is marked yellow.>>



The "41" and "12" are the ring gear and pinion gear tooth counts,
respectively. Divide 41 by 12 and thats the gear ratio.   Dorian

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:08:10 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: torque engines vs high rpm engines..

Want to thank John for his treatise.

Karl has a few Q's...

<<  Well, horsepower is proportional to torque, but also to rpm. So an 
 engine making 450 lb-ft of torque at , say, 3000 rpm is only making 
 HALF as much power as an engine making 450 lb-ft of torque at 6000 
 rpm. >>

Will grant that HP and torque are related, but isn't it a more complex
relationship than "proportional"?
OK, here's prolly where Karl got sidetracked.
An engine creating X power per revolution (eight cylinders fire), makes the
same amount of power at higher RPM (~assumptions being made for
simplification!~), but that power is generated *faster*.

Assumptions that were made include that engine's torque peak is flat, etc..

>The exact relationship is
        acceleration = power/(mass of car x velocity of car) 
 > In this formula acceleration is in metres/sec^2, power of the engine 
> is in watts, mass of the car is in kilograms, and velocity is in 
> metres per second.  >>

Watt??

Umm...
Think the term you are searching for is Joule (uh, or something).
Some of these folks are impressionable......

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:57:06 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Christmas Present

I would have to say that Santa has been good for me this year from my family
and my girlfriend.  As usual I got a lot of cloths but this time I also got
a Panasonic VCR, a beautiful Pro-Gold set of wrenches (nice long, thick
wrenches), a set of high quality pliers and awesome screwdrivers (courtesy
of my Dad who knows what he buys).  Also I got a set of Edelbrock Signature
Series Valve Covers from my girlfriend for my 455.  Looking at them they
look much nicer then the SB Chevy of the same type that one will find on
display everywhere.  The look like they would be a nice fit.  The box says
that they are stock height but look a bit taller to me.  Hmmm, maybe I
should let "Brian A." install them........HA HA...........I don't have a few
months for that...........just joking of course.  That is for the "install a
455 in place of a V6" flame a little while ago.  Merry Christmas to
everyone.  Igor.

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:08:15 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Edelbrock Torker

Anybody have any experience with Edelbrock Torker Vs. Edelbrock Performer
Vs. Stock '70 442 Big Block Intake manifolds.  I am just wondering if the
Torker it too wild for a 'normal' street 455.

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:42:06 -0700
From: "David Litke" <dlitke@bewellnet.com>
Subject: need copy of olds digests #1671-#1676

	COuld someone that gets the olds mailing list in digest for please 
forward
copies of digest numbers 1671 - 1676 to me at dlitke@bewellnet.com ?
Thanks all and Happy Holidays. David

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 05:57:59 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Slept through Christmas/torque peak/Olds powered F***?

So with slight exception Karl was happily unconscious through most of the Holy
day.
And dreamed that he found an  80's F*** Mini-Van for sale cheap with a good
body, etc.

Know motor mounts are different (right?). Is is possible (Igor, etc.) to throw
a 455/TH400 (assume willing to make space for tranny if power plant fits) into
a F***-ing vehicle? Any way to adapt?

Just curious.
Kinda imagined that if space was a prob, could prolly "swap" on the radiator
support from another vehicle, spead the frame members in front,and....
(Geez, what was karl drinking?)

Anyway.
Sorry Dorian, was involved in an inter-state deathmatch with my buddy in RI,
who foolishly chose the Empire.....

But, as Dorian and Karl previously discussed, there is an interesting way that
the carburetor affects torque peak.
The torque peak is of course at the RPM which your engine is most efficient
(makes most torque for fuel consumed), and that is in turn determined by the
capacity of the engine for airflow.
So the determining factor is the most restrictive passage for air/fuel flow...

Now.
Consider the Q-Jet.
Low-throttle situation;
Primary throttle plate allows air in. Secondaries are closed.
Therefore, until the secondaries open, the relatively small primaries aare
what allows the air into the engine.
This allows good bottom end power, especially if other passages are similarly
small. In which case good milage should result.

Secondaries open.
Whole new ballgame.
Now the carb is no longer the limiting factor (assuming properly jetted).
Now the limiting factor is position of secondary throttle plate and most
restrictive engine passages!

Back to torque peak.
So tuning for a high RPM peak (assume 5K).
In part, the Q-jet itself (and other carbs that hold secondaries closed for a
while) is contrbuting to any kind of broadness of that peak that extends down
to the low-RPMs! Engine favors high RPMs, with secondaries closed, bottom end
is improved.

So much for WOT.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 01:50:16 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

guys I think you need to look at those figures again 455 has larger bore and
longer stroke and yields the same
the diesel can be bored quite a ways but you cant get 455 out of it....KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gutlass66@aol.com <Gutlass66@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question


>Yes, a 425 crank in a small block will work. If you get a 350 Block, put a
425
>crank in it, .030 over, you get 454inches. It will work, so keep with the
>ideas

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:34:41 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 455 vs 073

Just seen a drag racing program on ESPN2 that featured 1/4 racing with
IMPORTS!! I must say those things ripped 11 second to as quick as mid to
high 9's in the 1/4 mile. All from a 4 cylinder motor. Of course it is
either turbo-charged/super-charged or sprayed(NOS) or both. Either way I
must say those things move quick for that little amount of motor they have.
It seems it's becoming a popular sport with the imports. 

Imagine pulling up to a stop light with your 455 Olds and a Honda pulls
along side of you. Your motor is loud and idle's rough, the import can't
even be heard and is smooth, as if not running. The light turns green and
the Honda rips you off the line with its front wheel drive and all you see
is the Hondas taillights. Would be kinda embarrassing, wouldn't it? It can
happen.
 
I still love my Olds and don't ever plan on buying an import, but don't be
supprised if your Olds gets beat by an import. Many aftermarket companies
are making go-fast parts for those rice-burners. When being interviewed on
ESPN2 the drag racers stated most of the time that the MOTORS ARE STOCK
(stock crank, rods, pistons,etc.) except for the aftermarket
turbo/super-charger. Those motors hold up the strain and can spin up to
7000RPM!! Not bad, I must admit, for a factory motor.

Just beware because you never know what the guy in the Mazda may have until
it's too late. But I still LOVE MY ROCKET!! I would take a 455 anyday over
a 100 C.I. motor....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:37:59 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: 69 H/O Model

I was given a 69 Hurst Olds die cast 1/18" scale model for Christmas
a really nice looking model. (Ertl Collectibles) I was wondering if there
were any other Olds die cast models available. I have looked in the past and
have not seen any, so this 69 H/O was a pleasant surprise.


Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:50:35 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

In a message dated 12/26/98 8:48:14 AM Central Standard Time,
kgrant442@home.com writes:

<< I was given a 69 Hurst Olds die cast 1/18" scale model for Christmas
 a really nice looking model. (Ertl Collectibles) I was wondering if there
 were any other Olds die cast models available. I have looked in the past and
 have not seen any, so this 69 H/O was a pleasant surprise.
 
 >>
ERTL also makes a 69 442 W30 in silver, black and gold. 

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:54:29 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

black and white 69 W30
 orange and white 69 W30
aztec gold 69 W30
and other 69s ,not sure on the colors, hopfully will be coming out with 66-67
442 soon because they have the chevelle SS and GTOs that year so I guess Olds
will follow...Harry...NJ....73 Olds Cutlass 455/4spd. 8,925 miles

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:40:37 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: G Body motor mounts

anyone know how much of a pain it is to change the left motor mount on a
86 Cutlass w/ a 307 (Y)?  What sort of stress and heartbreak is
involved?  
Brian.

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:43:45 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model

What I would like to see is something for the first year as a full line and
for the Youngmobile campaign...1968 442..Nothing is there but that is the
biggest production year for the 442 and the best year for the 442 but I am
impartial.
I have a 1968 442 Holiday Coupe with power windows, antenna, trunk, seat,
rear defogger, tilt, air, front disc brakes, and towing package.

Mike Davis
1968 442

- ----------
> From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 69 H/O Model
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 9:54 AM
> 
> black and white 69 W30
>  orange and white 69 W30
> aztec gold 69 W30
> and other 69s ,not sure on the colors, hopfully will be coming out with
66-67
> 442 soon because they have the chevelle SS and GTOs that year so I guess
Olds
> will follow...Harry...NJ....73 Olds Cutlass 455/4spd. 8,925 miles

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:44:29 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 Crank Question

In a message dated 98-12-26 09:19:58 EST, you write:

<< guys I think you need to look at those figures again 455 has larger bore
and longer stroke and yields the same the diesel can be bored quite a ways but
you cant get 455 out of it....KK >>

Hear, hear!

If you want more cubes, Karl will swap you a 455 for that useless old 425!

Spoil something that ~can~ be replaced.

Besides, for all the machine work you're talking about, you could slap
Edelbrock heads on a tuned 455 and come out ahead.

Not that it matters...

SOM

&K "Thrives on 425" A

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:11:09 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: 69 442 for Xmas 

Well........sort of. An Ertl 1:18 scale in gold. 

Sidebar......what i really would have liked to have :), this 71 Delta 88
Convertible with a 455 in the local newspaper paper i've been droping
hints on since the begining of the week. I tried to schmooze my other
half. Gee, i said, only $1700 or best offer, i bet if he/she has kids,
Xmas probably hits them pretty hard $$$.  We might be able to drive that
bad boy away for $1000 cash......what a deal !!!!!!!, not to
mention......whose else around here but twisted ol' me, is gonna be
eyeing up a convertible in December. Course i get the where are you
gonna put that ?, and gee...... a 455, just what you need with your gas
guzzling truck(460).

Bbbut....bbut honey, it's probably lighter then the truck, not to
mention, it has to be much more aerodynamic.......*laying it on REALLY
thick now ;).*

 Ahem......well that did'nt work.......curse that d*amn C*mry that gets
about 360 miles out of a tank a gas ;) anyway.......anybody else think
that Ertl's gold paint is pretty lame ?. It seems like they did'nt put
enough on, giving it sort of a dull, orange peeling kind of look. I've
got 66 GTO in gold as well that is about the same, but a little bit
better. I fished thru about 50 of those when i bought that one, hoping
for a better quality paint job, but it seems 9 out of the 10 gold cars
come out this way. Plus i thought i read somewhere one time that this
442 is supposed to be "Aztec Gold" ? It sure does'nt look Aztec Gold to
me, seems lighter, more of "Saturn Gold" maybe. The GTO is the same
shade, which i also thought was supposed to be "Tiger Gold", but i never
really saw a "Tiger Gold" in person to compare it to. Maybe Ertl used
the same formulas in there gold paint that GM did in the their mid 70's
to late 80's silver and light metallic blue paints. Course even they
shined when they left the factory, and when they did fade, it was
usually just the tops. Now if they just make a replica of one of the GM
70's/80's cars, in silver or light blue, you could display it near an
open window in your house, so after the sun hits it for about a year,
the hood, roof and trunk could fade, just like the real thing. Just put
a serial # on the dash and include a chart to decode it. Add a
choice/option of about 15 different engines, made in about 15 more
different places, by yet another 15 different manufacturers, by 15 more
different countries, and yes, you would have the most realistic GM
replica made to date. 

Alright... just trying to be funny and sarcastic, let's not take it the
wrong way, after all if you think about, it really is the truth.  

Hope everyone had a safe and joyous holiday, and best wishes with many
more to come. 

EJ(still looking under the tree for the keys to that Delta)
- -- 
"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. Click on the link below.....
http://www.1pontiac.com/cgi-bin/1pontiac-cgi/webbbs1-cgi/config.pl?read=3210
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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