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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, November 25 1998    Volume 01 : Number 1624



Parting "66 Delta 88
Re: trim rechroming ?
Re: This is it...
Re: shift indicator lens
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: What do you think?
Re: daytime running lights
Re: GOING NORTH
Re: shift indicator lens
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
cyl head porting
Re: Chev in olds
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: DRL's
84 HO Crome Wheels
RE: 84 H/O Chrome Wheels
RE: shift indicator lens
Re: Olds model kit news.
RE: cyl head porting
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: FAQ
He scores again!!
I'm trying to find a color - Help
Re: Olds model kit news.
RE: He scores again!!
Re: Olds model kit news.
HEADS on the Flowbench
F-85 Omega?
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Olds model kit news.
Q-Jet on a 307
HEADS on Flowbench (Condensed)
Re: What do you think?
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
New
calling Bruce Ponti
Re: Q-Jet on a 307
Re: New
RE: New
Re: shift indicator lens
RE: New
Re: Omega info
Re: 455 Intake
Re: New
Re: F-85 Omega?
Re: 455 Intake
RE: New
Re: New
Re: Olds model kit news.
Fwd: VIN and parts interchangeability
Re: New
Re: New/funny/expens. cork n rubber
Re: New
Re: F-85 Omega?
Re: New
Re: model kits
I'm It? (Was Re: New)
Re: Q-Jet on a 307
Re: 1985 442 FOR IMMEDIATE SALE
Re: 84 H/O Chrome Wheels

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:26:04 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Parting "66 Delta 88

Hi.  Am parting or selling whole my "66 Delta 88.  Have full set of wheel
covers.  E-Mail private if you want anything.  Car is located in New
York, 1 hour fron PA. and NJ. border and about 2 hours from Conn. border.

Regards,
                E.J.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:37:43 +0000
From: MB0 <MB0@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: trim rechroming ?

buffing wheel and compound.  If the items are badly scratched, you will
need to
sand them first, using progressively finer sandpaper.

________

Joe, if you have done this in the past, would you mind divulging the
type of compund you used, as well as grits of sandpaper?

Thanks!
Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass convertible

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:47:16 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: This is it...

Blaine, 
Good Luck and GOD bless.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


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> From: B. Sanders <blaines@strata3d.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: This is it...
> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 6:14 PM
> 
> Farewell, my Oldsmohead buddies.  This is it for me, for now.  My company
> was bought out by another firm, and the few remaining survivors are being
> relocated.  Could be a long time till I can resubscribe, so I just wanted
to
> say "thanks" to everyone who has helped me over the years.  I've learned
a
> bunch from this list.  I'm going to miss you all...
> 
> Au revoir, mes amis!
> 
> Blaine

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:38:49 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: shift indicator lens

Hey list if you can get me a scan of an original that is good and let me
know the size and material I can get you an estimate on reproing it ( I
still have a few connections)...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:01 AM
Subject: shift indicator lens


>
>OK guys (and Lisa et el.),
>
>            I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
>the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
>or repro maybe ?????
>
>
>Tanks
>The General
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:49:22 EST
From: Bumluk@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

    well if driven properly (which if you own a 4-speed in order to it justice
you should) it would be the auto guys looking at the tail end of a 4-speed
car. assuming the cars of equal power... The only bad or negative thing is
getting the 4-speed to launch with out putting her up in smoke..... iam still
working on that myself..... just my .02 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:54:09 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

I did that on my '69 rag top and I really like it!  The car is painted '92 GM
Competition Blue (Really bright blue!) and has a black interior - the matching
dash and column really help bring the outside and inside of the car together!
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a 'glide :-(
'75 Supreme - project car....
'82 Supreme - SB, 700R4, 3.73's - Grin!
'86 Supreme - V-8 - daily driver...

Peter Landowski wrote:

> My 72 442 is being completely repainted. We have the front window out and
> the dash is out. I was thinking of painting the metal portion of the dash
> and the steering column the color the car is being painted(quasar blue). I
> know factory did not due this. THe metal dash and steering cloumn were the
> color of the interior. Do you think this will look good?
>
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:03:25 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: daytime running lights

Joe, not really, I hate the damn things, donno how to disconnect though,
Auto week was asking for write in on how to disconnect them, must be a
trick to it.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@orbital.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: daytime running lights
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 8:10 AM
> 
> Well, being the non-conformist of the bunch, I'd like to know how to
> _disable_ the DRLs.  I just ordered a brand new Type-C crewcab dually,
and
> one of the first things I have to do is disconnect these ridiculous
looking
> DRLs.  Please, no sermons.
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:13:11 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: GOING NORTH

Hi list, just got back from up north and dropped a ffew parts off to list
members and got to meet a few more. Had a great time even though i cannot shot
straight and the deer will get over the loud noise. HA HA The list is great
and the people on it are to. looking forward to the next trip later. More
details on the trip after while. Take care Later Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
70 442HC
70 W31

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:51:33 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: shift indicator lens

>> I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
>> the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
>> or repro maybe ?????
>
>Didn't someone on this list actually tool up and produce these
>parts? This would have been over a year ago, I think; maybe
>someone with archive files can dig up the details.

Try Greg Rollin at SuperCars Unlimited. I got a super nice three speed lens
for my 69 TH350 from him.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:52:57 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

I don't think that we ALL hate Chevys it's just Oldsmobiles DO NOT get the
same notoriety that Chevys do.  I mean look at the popular magazines like Car
Craft and Hot Rod.  There are so many Camaros and Novas and such.  There just
isn't enough balance and that's why I think that Oldsmobiles have a cult-like
following.  We don't hate Chevys, were just tired of the same old same old.
We like to be different.  I don't think necessarily that there is a point to
try to say Olds is better or Chevy is better.  The point is we take pride in
Oldsmobiles and that's what counts. 


Steve O. 
CutW29@aol.com

P.S.  My wife sent in 3 PICS of my 72 Cutlass "S" into Car Craft.  I'm
crossing my fingers that it will be in the readers pages!

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:03:54 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: cyl head porting

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To everyone contemplating head porting:

Just a couple things I thought I should point out due to my own
experience porting heads.

1.  If using the standard kits to port heads you will need more of the
sanding rolls and rotary file burrs for the Olds heads (compared to=20
Chevy) due to the high nickel content.  Also figure on spending twice
the amount of time doing the work.

2.  If you plan to do more than port matching and smoothing (AIR=20
bumps and tear-droping valve guides) then it's probably best to have
it done by a professional.  It is far easier to reduce flow than enhance
it when you start messing with short side radius' and such that if you
don't have the experience of knowing exactly what works and what=20
doesn't it's better not to butcher the heads.

3.  Of secondary importance after increasing flow is to have equal
flow from port to port.  You want equal runner volumes but just because
the runner volumes are the same doesn't neccesarily mean they will flow
equal.  This is where a good eye and experience comes in (not to=20
mention a flowbench!).

I'm not trying to discourage anybody since port matching isn't very=20
compicated but trying to do a race port job at home with limited=20
prior experience can actually do more damage than good and cost
a lot of money after a set of heads are ruined.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:56:01 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

Yeah, 95 Chevy LT1 350 small block built to a 396.  Motorsports Technologies
Incorp out of Houston, TX built this one. It doesn't got the grunt of a
built Olds 455 but sure screams on the top end.

Jason Labay


>Dumb question, isn't a 396 Chebbie a big block or is this a
>different beast than the "old" 396?
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:33:42 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

In a message dated 11/24/98 4:52:35 PM Central Standard Time, Bumluk@aol.com
writes:

<< well if driven properly (which if you own a 4-speed in order to it justice
 you should) it would be the auto guys looking at the tail end of a 4-speed
 car. assuming the cars of equal power... The only bad or negative thing is
 getting the 4-speed to launch with out putting her up in smoke..... iam still
 working on that myself..... just my .02 
  >>
     So, let me get this right ;)...The guys wining all the races with their
Powerglides, and TH-400's could "just be gettin' lucky"?!? I haven't really
heard of too many really fast or consistant cars with 4-speeds. 

....I have been roustin' 4-speed cars with my 330/350 combo for a couple
months now...and I have nailled 99% of my shifts...the 1% was a race where I
was runnin' some fool in a Vette...I tried to shift into forth...haha!...Damn
those things quik...AND fast!

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:44:03 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRL's

In a message dated 11/24/98 4:24:14 PM EST, ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<< Daytime running lights have been law in Canada since the late 80s. I
 thought they were silly at first, but when I bought my first new car with
 them in 1990 it turned out they were quite convenient. >>

And much safer. You may not like seeing them coming at you, but you do notice
them...and that's the point!
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:50:54 -0500
From: "Diane DeLucia" <hurstolds@sprynet.com>
Subject: 84 HO Crome Wheels

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Hi Everone;
    This is my frist time posting a message on the digest.  I need help =
with three problems.  One I am look for New crome wheels for my 84 H/O.  =
The ones on the car are OK but there is rust in the center.  Maybe =
someone knows of a good recromer.  The second one is that I am looking =
for the H/O plaque for the front of the car and on the center dash.  The =
car is in great shape except fpr those parts. Only has 49000 on it.  The =
last question is real inportant.  I am looking for the engineer that =
designed the antenna placement for this car. I would like him to come =
over an see how fast he can change it.  What a pane.
=20
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Jim DeLucia
hurstolds@sprynet.com
=20
1984 Hurst Olds
1984 Monte SS

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanks in advance</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:08:22 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: 84 H/O Chrome Wheels

	Jim wrote:
> .  I am looking for the engineer that designed the antenna placement for
> this car. I would like him to come over an see how fast he can change it. 
> What a pane.
>  
	When he's done at your house I've got a few bones to pick with him
about my '89 FWD olds !!! There ain't nutin easy on that mama !!

	Welcome aboard Jim:
	If you get desperate, I've got one wheel that you may be able to
use.  It's a 15x7 and came off of a mid 80's HO.  I have been holding on to
it cause I thought I could come across 3 more (legally, that is ) and put
them on my car. Wrong...   About as scarce as hen's teeth down here in
Atlanta.  
	Donny
	72 442 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:15:29 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: shift indicator lens

I've been watching this thread and am interested in getting a lens made for
my 66 Starfire too. Unless they're
the same as the A bodies and already available from some source or other.

Ladies and Gentlemen -- anybody know if TH-400 console shift lenses are
available for 66 Cutlasses or Starfires?
Are they the same? I think they might be for the automatic cars.

thoughts?
cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:39 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
> 
> 
> Hey list if you can get me a scan of an original that is good 
> and let me
> know the size and material I can get you an estimate on 
> reproing it ( I
> still have a few connections)...KK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:01 AM
> Subject: shift indicator lens
> 
> 
> >
> >OK guys (and Lisa et el.),
> >
> >            I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
> >the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
> >or repro maybe ?????
> >
> >
> >Tanks
> >The General
> >
> 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:37:47 -0500
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-11-24 11:28:12 EST, you write:
> 
> << All,
> 
>  Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
>  sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
> 
>  My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
>  give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
> 
>  In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a
>  '66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
>  cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
> 
>  Mike Turley
>  turley@symplex.com
> 
>   >>
> It's not out yet.  Ertl has pushed the date back to Jan 99 for the release of
> the 66.  What the other guy saw at Wallmart has been the 67 442
> 
> W MACHINES
I was just in Wal-mart today and seen a '67 442 w-30 model. I can't
remember the maker but it wasn't AMT or Ertl. If anyone wants me to take
a closer look, just drop me a note.
T.J.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:44:24 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: cyl head porting

I agree with you Mike about the home porting work to an extent.
I'm sure not a professional on head porting, actually pretty green at it
still ( only 3 sets done ).  I know a few different professional-type engine
builders and I asked alot of Q's and had ALOT of help on this one subject
alone.
What I was told by these guys is that if I wanted to do more than blending
ports ( Just smoothing the sharp edges), grinding off EGR(AIR) bumps, and
gasket matching intake and exhaust, then I needed a flowbench.
One of the builders told me that I shouldn't even gasket match because that
could mess up the high-velocity flow by creating vortices in the intake
runner.

And another builder I talked to said that I should not use anything but the
60-80 grit paper rolls and not the deburrs(rotary files) cause those could
'reshape' the pockets and could kill any hopes of increasing flow through
them.  

I hope that one day I will be able to 'port and polish' heads with
confidence.  Maybe after the 10th set, and a few trips to the Flowbench.

I believe I remember an article in a older Hot-Rod type magazine that said
the stock W-30 head ( I assume the 'D' head ? ) flowed 201 cfm through the
intake @0.500" opening with 28"H2O vacuum. ( Yep, I just went and found it
.) It was in a 1978 HOT ROD mag ( don't have the month ).

That is the least flow rate of all the BB heads on all the mfg. ( I have the
numbers if anyone wants them). So, I agree that head porting is crutial on a
BB olds.     
Thanks for 'listening',
Donny

	Mike B. wrote:
> To everyone contemplating head porting:
>  
> Just a couple things I thought I should point out due to my own
> experience porting heads.
>  
> 1.  If using the standard kits to port heads you will need more of the
> sanding rolls and rotary file burrs for the Olds heads (compared to 
> Chevy) due to the high nickel content.  Also figure on spending twice
> the amount of time doing the work.
>  
> 2.  If you plan to do more than port matching and smoothing (AIR 
> bumps and tear-droping valve guides) then it's probably best to have
> it done by a professional.  It is far easier to reduce flow than enhance
> it when you start messing with short side radius' and such that if you
> don't have the experience of knowing exactly what works and what 
> doesn't it's better not to butcher the heads.
>  
> 3.  Of secondary importance after increasing flow is to have equal
> flow from port to port.  You want equal runner volumes but just because
> the runner volumes are the same doesn't neccesarily mean they will flow
> equal.  This is where a good eye and experience comes in (not to 
> mention a flowbench!).
>  
> I'm not trying to discourage anybody since port matching isn't very 
> compicated but trying to do a race port job at home with limited 
> prior experience can actually do more damage than good and cost
> a lot of money after a set of heads are ruined.
>  
> Mike B
> mbloomer@gateway.net
> ICQ# 19113713
> 72 Cutlass S (RIP)
> 68 Cutlass Supreme
> 
>  
> 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:50:15 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

>  >>
>     So, let me get this right ;)...The guys wining all the races with
their
>Powerglides, and TH-400's could "just be gettin' lucky"?!? I haven't really
>heard of too many really fast or consistant cars with 4-speeds.
>
>....I have been roustin' 4-speed cars with my 330/350 combo for a couple
>months now...and I have nailled 99% of my shifts...the 1% was a race where
I
>was runnin' some fool in a Vette...I tried to shift into
forth...haha!...Damn
>those things quik...AND fast!

Nobody ever said that the guys running auto's are getting lucky by winning.
It has already been pointed out that auto's are more consistent so that's
why they dominate bracket racing.  The facts are that it takes more power to
turn an automatic and your limited by number of gears.  In an optimized
combo
a 4 speed car that has the same wieght, power, etc as yours will smoke you
in the quarter just as long as you have a good driver.  Anybody can drive a
fast drag car with an auto but it takes true skill to win races with a
stick.
Anybody remember Ronnie Sox "Mr. FourSpeed"?  Seem to remember him
winning races with a 4 speed against people running autos in the late 60's.
Also look at drag classes that aren't bracket like Pro Stock, Pro Mod, and
all
the NMCA classes.  The big guns usually run Lenco's which is a planetary
but in the last few years there has been a switch on to clutchless 5 speeds.
They do use a clutch for staging but go clutchless after launch.  They do
this
with straight cut gears and no synchro's and a setup like this would roast
your
TH350.  The key factor in auto's beating 4 speed cars is operator error.
Call
up Ronnie and see how you do against him.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:03:08 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: FAQ

YOU DA MAN!

At 04:12 PM 11/24/98 , you wrote:
>Over last week and the weekend, I incorporated information from 15 of
>the 127 files I have of information for the FAQ. Many of the files that
>are left involve lots of reorganization or are just plain huge, so this
>won't be done in 9 weeks!
>
>I will be at work for a large upgrade next weekend, so I might get a ton
>of work done on the FAQ. Hopefully true.
>-- 
>David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
>          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
>http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
>Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
> 
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:03:05 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: He scores again!!

Hello all, I was very fortunate last sunday. On the way home from church,
I went on a road I don't usually travel on. As I'm driving along, all of
a sudden, out of the corner of my eye I spy an old car. It's a '67
Cutlass S! Needless to say, I whipped the wife's FAV (female assault
vehicle,'92 GMC full size van) off the highway and turned around. What I
found was an excellent parts car!

The car has got way too many problems for a total restore, as in holes in
various places, crushed right rear quarter, both bumpers slightly bent,
not original engine, dented hood and trunk. Also, the front buckets are
gone.

Now, you might be wondering what the good parts are. All the A\C is
there, engine is a 455 with 4 barrel quad, haven't ID'd tranny yet (
hopefully it's a 350), floor console in good shape and complete, all
glass is good with factory tint, what I believe are SS111 wheels, good
fenders and doors. The interior is complete ( except for the buckets).

So, what I'm excited about is there's enough body stuff that I need and,
although the original drive train has been replaced, there is a 455 with
rebuildable tranny and rear end.

The car is at a paint and body shop and one of the owners bought it out
of a salvage  yard with the intentions of finding another '67 to rebuild,
but he lost interest. He's currently  rebuilding a '70 Cutlass. The best
part is he sold me the car for what he had in it and will let me strip it
at his shop so my neighbors won't gripe!

So, for the next several weeks my 14 year old son and I are gonna be
wrenchin' !

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:12:57 -0500
From: "Chris Costantino" <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: I'm trying to find a color - Help

Hi everyone -
	I recently went to an OLDS/Pontiac/Buick show in Oldtown, Florida (it's
right outside orlando). Anyway, there was an absolutely flawless 69 Cutlass
there. It had a special color called Cinimon Bronze. I can't seem to locate
this color. What I was told by the owner is that this was a standard
Toronado color in 1969 (special order for the Cutlass), but by 1972 this was
a standard color. I can't seem to find anything on this color. I'm
repainting my 72 and I want to use that color. Any assistance would be
greatly appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:58:53 +0000
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

I have one of those 67 kits.  It is done by Lindberg.

Joe B.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:16:33 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: He scores again!!

How much? How Much !
 Great find man. Give yourself a big pat on the back...

> ----------
> From: 	bloom9@juno.com[SMTP:bloom9@juno.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:03 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	He scores again!!
> 
> Hello all, I was very fortunate last sunday. On the way home from church,
> I went on a road I don't usually travel on. As I'm driving along, all of
> a sudden, out of the corner of my eye I spy an old car. It's a '67
> Cutlass S! Needless to say, I whipped the wife's FAV (female assault
> vehicle,'92 GMC full size van) off the highway and turned around. What I
> found was an excellent parts car!
> 
> The car has got way too many problems for a total restore, as in holes in
> various places, crushed right rear quarter, both bumpers slightly bent,
> not original engine, dented hood and trunk. Also, the front buckets are
> gone.
> 
> Now, you might be wondering what the good parts are. All the A\C is
> there, engine is a 455 with 4 barrel quad, haven't ID'd tranny yet (
> hopefully it's a 350), floor console in good shape and complete, all
> glass is good with factory tint, what I believe are SS111 wheels, good
> fenders and doors. The interior is complete ( except for the buckets).
> 
> So, what I'm excited about is there's enough body stuff that I need and,
> although the original drive train has been replaced, there is a 455 with
> rebuildable tranny and rear end.
> 
> The car is at a paint and body shop and one of the owners bought it out
> of a salvage  yard with the intentions of finding another '67 to rebuild,
> but he lost interest. He's currently  rebuilding a '70 Cutlass. The best
> part is he sold me the car for what he had in it and will let me strip it
> at his shop so my neighbors won't gripe!
> 
> So, for the next several weeks my 14 year old son and I are gonna be
> wrenchin' !
> 
> Fred Kemp
> bloom9@juno.com
> Tulsa, OK area
> '67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass
> 
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:43:02 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

That's good news about the conv. kit, I'll have to keep my eyes open for it!
Now if I could get them to release a 3 in 1 kit for building a 70 to 72
Cutlass Supreme and get them to re-release the 64 F-85/Cutlass/442 convertible
(unsure of which model it is, was recieved as an unfinished custom job from a
cousin of mine, along with tons of other cars and trucks) so I could
compliment the scale Olds collection I have.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:49:09 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: HEADS on the Flowbench

MAXIMIZE YOU MAIL EDITOR SCREEN so all the columns will align.

Okay, Here is the skinny :

The heads listed are supposedly the best factory heads for each mfg. I think
they were 
mainly concentrating on the BB here. Looks like OLDS has a long way to go.

If anyone has contrary data, please let me know. 
All heads tested are supposed to be ('of the shelf') stock with no porting.
Donny


============================================================================
==========
Source: Hotrod 1978
            
Head             Valves        Intake        Int Flow      Exh Flow
Int Flow     Exh Flow        
                              port area      @0.500 lift   @0.500 lift
@0.500       @0.500	    
                                             & 5" H2O     & 5" H2O       &
28" H2O    & 28" H20
- --------Small Block----------
Chevy Fuelie#461 2.02/1.60       2.3           85             75
201          177
Chrys 340HP      2.02/1.60       2.1           85             60
201          142
Chrys W-2        2.02/1.60       2.4           90             80
213          189
Ford 351C-4v     2.19/1.71       3.9          125             60
296          142

- --------Big Block------------
Buick St2        2.13/1.75       2.6           95             90
225          213
Chevy Oval       2.06/1.72       3.2          130             85
308          201
Chevy Rect       2.19/1.72       4.0          140             85
331          201
Chry Bwedge      2.08/1.74       2.5          100             80
237          189
Chry Hemi        2.25/1.94       3.0          150             90
355          213
Ford 428 CJ      2.09/1.65       3.1           95             65
225          154
Ford 427 HR      2.19/1.78       3.6          110             65
260          154
Ford 427 TP      2.25/1.73       4.0          130             65
308          154
Pontiac RA-IV    2.11/1.77       2.9           95             70
225          166
Olds W-30        2.07/1.68       2.7           85             65
201          154

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:46:49 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: F-85 Omega?

I came across an Omega at a car lot with
"F-85" emblems on the fenders (anybody can put emblems on).
after looking closer there was also a F-85 logo on the ceter of
the steering wheel (this looked factory).
Did Olds carry the F-85 to the X-body?
This was a high option car, unlike the older A-body F-85's Ive seen.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:39:07 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

>
>67 Hurst Hairy Olds release with Linda Vaughn statuer and Hurst Shifter,
>release date is for December 98, 
> 
>66 AMT/Ertl 66 442  release date January 99

I want a Vista-Cruiser model

 :(

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:44:39 -0500
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

Joe R Brockman wrote:
> 
> I have one of those 67 kits.  It is done by Lindberg.
> 
> Joe B.
> YES, that's it. How is it. LMK
T.J.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:59:33 -0500
From: "Bill B." <Pianotuner@fastservice.com>
Subject: Q-Jet on a 307

My Q-Jet 307 powered 87 Custom Cruiser (167,000 miles) runs extremely
rich for the first couple of minutes after a cold start. (Al Gore and my
neighbors are not happy with me.) I suspect that the vacum break is not
pulling the choke off fast enough.  Is it possible to replace the vacum
break to cure this kind of problem? Is there a certain part number I
need? I seem to remember that a really good down-to-earth Q-Jet book is
available.  Can someone dredge up the name and author of the book?

Thanks....

Bill Bussell - Speedway, Indiana

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:08:47 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: HEADS on Flowbench (Condensed)

One more try.....Sorry, I forgot about the 80 char. line length.
 
MAXIMIZE YOU MAIL EDITOR SCREEN so all the columns will align.

Okay, Here is the skinny :

The heads listed are supposedly the best factory heads for each mfg.
I think they were mainly concentrating on the BB here. 
Looks like OLDS has a long way to go.

If anyone has contrary data, please let me know. 
All heads tested are supposed to be ('of the shelf') stock with no porting.
Donny


==============================================================
Source: Hotrod 1978
            
Head             Valves        Intake     Int/Exh Flow   Int/Exh Flow

                              port area   @0.500 lift    @0.500 
lift  	    
                                            5" H2O        28" H20
- --------Small Block-------
Chevy Fuelie#461 2.02/1.60       2.3          85/75        201/177
Chrys 340HP      2.02/1.60       2.1          85/60        201/142
Chrys W-2        2.02/1.60       2.4          90/80        213/189
Ford 351C-4v     2.19/1.71       3.9         125/60        296/142

- --------Big Block---------
Buick St2        2.13/1.75       2.6           95/90       225/213
Chevy Oval       2.06/1.72       3.2          130/85       308/201
Chevy Rect       2.19/1.72       4.0          140/85       331/201
Chry Bwedge      2.08/1.74       2.5          100/80       237/189
Chry Hemi        2.25/1.94       3.0          150/90       355/213
Ford 428 CJ      2.09/1.65       3.1           95/65       225/154
Ford 427 HR      2.19/1.78       3.6          110/65       260/154
Ford 427 TP      2.25/1.73       4.0          130/65       308/154
Pontiac RA-IV    2.11/1.77       2.9           95/70       225/166
Olds W-30        2.07/1.68       2.7           85/65       201/154

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:06:30 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: What do you think?

To add my penny-and-a-half when I repaint my 70 C-word C-10 pickup I will
paint the interior the same Mariner Blue over Black the exterior will be.
Right now, it's red (inside and out) with a white roof and I want it to match
the race cars.  But the truck work is on the shelf right now, too many other
projects going on.........

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:08:41 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

1967 442 convertible/m-21 4 speed with ground synchros/v-gate inline
shifter/dual friction clutch/4.56 rear/29x10" slicks/4000rpm launch

best et in 20 passes: 12.56@108
60ft: 2.1

same car w/th350/9" converter/4.56 rear/29x10" slicks/4000rpm launch

best et in 20 passes: 12.31@108
60ft: 1.7

Both combos hooked dead, the difference was the converter slips off the line
whereas the clutch doesn't slip and bogs the motor a tad off the line.  With
abit of tweeking I could probably come close to the automatic times with the
4 speed combo, but its doubtful they could be bettered.  Both combos were
equally consistant.  In 4 speed trim it was almost painful to sidestep the
clutch off the line then WOT shift it on the way down the track.
I think the Olds will live alot longer with the automatic behind it.  Now I
suppose your going to say I must suck driving a 4 speed, but with the inline
shifter and tranny mods it shifted very much like an auto though abit more
violent.  Read: glance in rearview after launch/shift to make sure rearend
is still along for the ride.

4speed for fun
auto for race

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:18:31 -0800
From: "Don Ruder" <ruderdj@seanet.com>
Subject: New

Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:18:14 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: calling Bruce Ponti

Bruce, e-mail me if you see this.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:17:31 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Q-Jet on a 307

 I seem to remember that a really good down-to-earth Q-Jet book is
>available.  Can someone dredge up the name and author of the book?
>

"Rochester Carburetors"
by Doug Roe
#0-89586-301-4

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:24:05 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: New

Will be next season.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:27:35 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: New

	Hello Don and welcome aboard,

      Don wrote:
> Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?
> 
> 
Shoot, I reckon !!!   Tag...You're it Ken S.

We got all kinds of drag racers here..
   Armchair, Stop light to stop light, and professional. Take your pick.

Donny in Dallas,GA
72 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:22:22 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: shift indicator lens

by the way I presume we are talking about the semi transparent plastic with
the PRNDSL markings  just need to know the dimension color and thickness of
the original I have a friend that does industrial engraving he subcontracts
aerospace jobs he can give me an estimate but needs to know these things the
scan would be good for shape etc.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: shift indicator lens


>I've been watching this thread and am interested in getting a lens made for
>my 66 Starfire too. Unless they're
>the same as the A bodies and already available from some source or other.
>
>Ladies and Gentlemen -- anybody know if TH-400 console shift lenses are
>available for 66 Cutlasses or Starfires?
>Are they the same? I think they might be for the automatic cars.
>
>thoughts?
>cf
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kerry Kroger [mailto:kerryk@cwix.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:39 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: shift indicator lens
>>
>>
>> Hey list if you can get me a scan of an original that is good
>> and let me
>> know the size and material I can get you an estimate on
>> reproing it ( I
>> still have a few connections)...KK
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 6:01 AM
>> Subject: shift indicator lens
>>
>>
>> >
>> >OK guys (and Lisa et el.),
>> >
>> >            I am looking for a shift indicator lens for
>> >the console in my 67' TH400 car.  Nice used
>> >or repro maybe ?????
>> >
>> >
>> >Tanks
>> >The General
>> >
>>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:32:16 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: RE: New

> Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?

Does pelting the people in the back seat with all the crap that 
used to be on the dash when the traffic light turns green count? :)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:38:42 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Omega info

Ed,

I remember the Omegas from those years, as my mother worked for Brenner
Oldsmobile here in Kansas City, Kansas.  I think 73 was the first year for the
Omega, so this would be an early model one (in contrast to my 1980 Starfire
GT, which was built as the last model of the H07 Special style).  I remember
that there was an "SX" option as well as the F-85 (moved over from the
Cutlasses), but these markings you're describing don't jog my memory.

I can speak for many on the list that we'd like to see some pictures of your
Rockets.  The Omegas (RWD variety in particular) are an almost forgotten car,
my late 70's/1980 Starfires are like that, too.  Keep up the good work and
let's see some pictures!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:40:56 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Intake

In a message dated 98-11-24 12:25:28 EST, you write:

<< 
 Does anyone have a non-egr cast intake for a 455? Email me with price
 and availability.
 
 Thanks
 
 Stephen Hoover
 Dallas, Texas
 '70 Supreme
 . >>

Well, I don't know your e-mail address, but I've got a 4-barrel intake off a
67 425 if you're interested.  It's just been taken out of service, and is very
greasy/crusty, and needs a good cleaning.   Does anyone know the going rate
for these?
thanks,
DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:44:06 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: New

Bob Blanchard wrote:

> > Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?
>
> Does pelting the people in the back seat with all the crap that
> used to be on the dash when the traffic light turns green count? :)

Geez and I thought that I was the only one that did that!  :-}Todd
Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a 'glide :-(
'75 Supreme - project car....
'82 Supreme - SB, 700R4, 3.73's - Grin!
'86 Supreme - V-8 - daily driver...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:37:48 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

        Yes. Olds had incorperated the F-85 into the X bodies. They lasted
up to
1977.

Jim Chermack

At 09:46 PM 11/24/98 , you wrote:
>
>I came across an Omega at a car lot with
>"F-85" emblems on the fenders (anybody can put emblems on).
>after looking closer there was also a F-85 logo on the ceter of
>the steering wheel (this looked factory).
>Did Olds carry the F-85 to the X-body?
>This was a high option car, unlike the older A-body F-85's Ive seen.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:47:44 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Intake

In a message dated 98-11-24 22:43:58 EST, you write:

<< Well, I don't know your e-mail address >>
Sorry, big DUH on my part, should've looked in the header.  Sorry..
DrkSole96
73Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:57:38 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: New

> ----------
> From: 	Rebel1[SMTP:rebel1@raex.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Tuesday, November 24, 1998 10:44 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: New
> 
> Bob Blanchard wrote:
> 
> > > Hello, I am new to this list.  Any Olds drag racers on the list?
> >
> > Does pelting the people in the back seat with all the crap that
> > used to be on the dash when the traffic light turns green count? :)
> 
> Geez and I thought that I was the only one that did that!  :-}Todd
> Daenzer
> 
Well Todd, I guess you're not the only one that drives an OLDS.   I kinda
like it when you hit it WOT (riders like that) then the seat bolts break and
you mash the back seat riders legs (they don't like that but sometimes it
fun! especially if it's your ma-in-law ! hee, hee !) 
Another funny thing to do ( this actually happened to me), is take the front
bolts out of the pass seat and loosen the back bolts. Then, go get your
buddy and kick it hard and hold it til about 100 mph.  LOL !!!

Donny
 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:59:25 -0800
From: "Don Ruder" <ruderdj@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: New

Sounds like a good crew!  What's the mood about running a chevy engine in a
67 F85?  We've had the motor for about 25 years & picked the car up less
engine for $500.  Bolted in & had a quick cruiser over a weeknd worth of
work......

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:58:52 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

In a message dated 98-11-24 21:45:49 EST, you write:

<< That's good news about the conv. kit, I'll have to keep my eyes open for
it!
 Now if I could get them to release a 3 in 1 kit for building a 70 to 72
 Cutlass Supreme and get them to re-release the 64 F-85/Cutlass/442
convertible
 (unsure of which model it is, was recieved as an unfinished custom job from a
 cousin of mine, along with tons of other cars and trucks) so I could
 compliment the scale Olds collection I have.
 
 Take Care, >>
Its the convert Cutlass and I find them at Toy shows for about 35.00 to 40.00
unbuilt
W MACHINES 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:59:01 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: VIN and parts interchangeability

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From: MFATZII@aol.com
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To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: VIN and parts interchangeability
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:12:27 EST
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According to my book the following VIN (1G3AM47Y4DM482255) denotes a 1983
Cutlass Calais Brougham, however the car itself has Cutlass Supreme Brougham
all over it.  The car has the 307 4bbl, power steering, cruise, tilt, a/c, but
no power seats, windows, etc.  What is the difference between a Calais and a
Supreme or is there a typo in the book?  also I need to know some answers from
the experienced...first off, the fender is in excellent condition on the
passenger side and my girlfriends car needs one. Will the fenders interchange?
(she has an 85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham)  Also will the header (fiberglass
section on the front end, width of the car surrounding headlights)
interchange?--That's what I call a header anyway :)   oh ya and the wiper
motor too....I think I'll just fix up the woman's car a little, keep the motor
and tranny, and send the car to the boneyard.  Should I bother saving the
motor?  It runs strong (from what I could tell with a blown head gasket)
barked the tires a little with it.  Are there better heads available that will
bolt right on?  according to the FAQ the heads on there now are 5A  (I think
that's what I read) anyway If the 307 is worth anything I plan to build it a
little next summer and find another cutlass to pour it into.  Please help me
with the parts swapping questons....nothing I hate worse than starting a
project that ultimately becomes a waste of time.


TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:59:04 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: New

At 07:59 PM 11/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Sounds like a good crew!  What's the mood about running a chevy engine in a
>67 F85?  We've had the motor for about 25 years & picked the car up less
>engine for $500.  Bolted in & had a quick cruiser over a weeknd worth of
>work......
> 

what did you use for motor mounts?

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:03:37 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: New/funny/expens. cork n rubber

In a message dated 11/24/98 9:58:31 PM Central Standard Time,
w.d.arnold@lmco.com writes:

<< Another funny thing to do ( this actually happened to me), is take the
front
 bolts out of the pass seat and loosen the back bolts. Then, go get your
 buddy and kick it hard and hold it til about 100 mph.  LOL !!!
  >>


Another funny thing to do is say 'look out there!" and point out the passenger
window, then when they are looking swerve left and bash their head into the
window.......oh whoops I guess that could be done in any car......

other news I got my seal kit for the tranny out of the 56..........98 dollars
later, should have left her leakin'  :0

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:38 -0800
From: "Don Ruder" <ruderdj@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: New

All Chevelle stuff.  No mods required whatsoever.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:46:12 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

Bob,

The F-85 went to the Omega when the line joined the Olds lineup, in 1973 I
believe.  This was the "budget" Oldsmobile, usually sparsely equipped but
still better than the C-word variety (of which I actually owned one, was glad
to see it go).

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:09:18 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: New

At 08:07 PM 11/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>All Chevelle stuff.  No mods required whatsoever.
> 
I was wondering if you used the Olds or chevy Frame pads

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:52:55 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: model kits

Recently on e-bay I won a  1956 promo model with no interior and already built
for 50 bucks.....even is a 4dr  :)  I tried for a Toronado model too by Johan
(came in the same style box as the 75 snap together cutlass) but somebody
wanted it worse than I so I deliberately drove the price up pretty
high..........all yours I said :)   I also am interested in the models to
come..for instance what are the differenses in the Hurst Hairy models other
than the shifter?  sheesh it's tuff being patient to update the collection !

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:58:22 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: I'm It? (Was Re: New)

Donny wrote:

<<Shoot, I reckon !!!   Tag...You're it Ken S.>>

Wha, meee?  Honest, I didn't do it, I never had relations with that woman -
oops, wrong answer (have to learn to get those answers straight), sorry 'bout
that.

As for me, right now I'm leaning toward roundy-round (Dave Smith calls 'em
that) Rockets, and hope to be breaking into SCCA autocrossing and road racing
with Rocket power someday.  But I also want to get back to some dragging one
day.  I miss the good old days out at Orange County International Raceway when
I was stationed next door......

Take Care all, especially Donny and the new members (now you're it!).
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:23:17 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Q-Jet on a 307

Rochester Carbs by Doug Roe has been highly recommended to
me but haven't had a chance to get it yet.  If I understand what your
calling a vacuum break I've always heard it referred to as a choke
pull off and yes it is replaceable.  You'll probably need the carb #
to get the right one.  Basically either the pull off has a leak in it or
it's
not getting sufficient vacuum to operate it and it could have problems
elswhere.  If you can find the right part it should only be a couple bucks
so its worth a shot.  I'll leave the rest of the comments the the resident
carb gurus (Karl works nights).

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme



>My Q-Jet 307 powered 87 Custom Cruiser (167,000 miles) runs extremely
>rich for the first couple of minutes after a cold start. (Al Gore and my
>neighbors are not happy with me.) I suspect that the vacum break is not
>pulling the choke off fast enough.  Is it possible to replace the vacum
>break to cure this kind of problem? Is there a certain part number I
>need? I seem to remember that a really good down-to-earth Q-Jet book is
>available.  Can someone dredge up the name and author of the book?
>Bill Bussell - Speedway, Indiana
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:32:28 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1985 442 FOR IMMEDIATE SALE

In a message dated 98-11-23 14:36:33 EST, you write:

<< WHITE/GRAY EXT.
 BLUE INT.
 T-TOPS
 EXCELLENT CONDITION
 $3300/NEG. WILLING TO NEGOTIATE BEST OFFER!
 MUST SELL WITHIN NEXT 3 WEEKS!!!
 
 I CAN BE REACHED @ 516-373-4457
 LOCATED IN SUFFOLK COUNTY, NY (LONG ISLAND)
  >>
Tell me some details of the car like mileage, condition of interior, condition
of drivetrain such as trans and engine.  What type of rear end, posi  non-posi
what size gear and what options.  

Thanks in advance 
Mark Prince
from Detroit, MI

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:38:14 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 84 H/O Chrome Wheels

In a message dated 11/24/98 8:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
w.d.arnold@lmco.com writes:

<< If you get desperate, I've got one wheel that you may be able to
 use.  It's a 15x7 and came off of a mid 80's HO.  I have been holding on to
 it cause I thought I could come across 3 more (legally, that is ) and put
 them on my car. Wrong...   About as scarce as hen's teeth down here in
 Atlanta.  
 	Donny
 	72 442 
 >>
your in luck, now.  someone is making reproductions and they are fairly cheap.
also, you can get different widths.  try coker tire.  seems like they had a
catalog with these rims in it.
jeremy
BIGJERMES@aol.com

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