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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, December 4 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1641



Re: Lightning Rod Shifter
Re: Hei Conversion
Re: Small Block update?
Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)
Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500
Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500
Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500
Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube
Re: Smog legal 350
Re: Smog legal 350
wanted:  15" rallye rims
Re Lightning Rods
parts car, session 3
Re: wont start help
Re: Holley Manifolds For Sale
Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock
Re: Rings in oil pan how serious?
Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube
74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?
Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).
Re: ?Restoration?
Re: ?Restoration?
Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).
Weird Question
Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).
Re: Weird Question
71 Hood Hinges/Springs
Re: Weird Question
Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock
Interesting item on eBay web site item#45722921: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube
10" AC Delco Filter lid
Re: reupholstery recommendations
Re: Smog legal 350
Re: 71 Hood Hinges/Springs
ADMIN: Leaving This List
Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)
Re: Lightning Rod Shifter
Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:48:33 -0800
Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)
fasten Belts Light and chime
Re: Hei Conversion
Re: 74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?
Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube
e-mail glitch in HotMail
Saturated mailings for Olds in print
recurving distributor?
96 Cutlass Supreme SL
Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).
back on
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: 74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?
Re: Cost for paint/body-job?
Re: Hei Conversion
Re: horn screwing up on '71 cutlass
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: insurance woes
how do you get stickers off?
Re: Turn Signal Problem
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: W-30 455 rebuild
a/c-defroster
Re: how do you get stickers off?

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:24:18 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning Rod Shifter

76 HURSTOLDS?  is this a proto type?
dennis
w451973
73 HURSTOLDS

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:26:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hei Conversion

- ---George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu> wrote:
> > Jim & Sharon Brady wrote:
> > > 
> > > This goes out to anyone who has done the points to HEI
conversion.  I just
> > > purchased and HEI from Jim Chermack for my '73 Delta 88.  How
did you or did
> > > you have to do much rewiring?  More importantly I would like to
get a copy
> > > of the wiring diagram for the HEI.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Jim Brady
- ----------------------------------------
I went with the HEI on my Olds. From what I remember, it wasn't much
of a problem at all. I will have to check out what wires I used but I
do know that the resistor wire is running up to the BAT connection on
the distributer cap. Then I have my tach wire running off the TACH
connection. As far as anything else goes, I don't believe there is
anything else hooked to the car. There is a wiring that goes from the
base of the distributer up to the cap, but that's it.

Del



==
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1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:49:08 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Small Block update?

In a message dated 12/3/98
 3:<BR26:<BR11 PM Central Standard Tim, BIGJERMES@aol.com writes:>  i would
ditch the 260 and go with at least a junkyard 350

Charles,

that's one of the problems wit this list. You might get some advice you don't
want :-)

I'd advise you to think that the list represents thousands of years experience
that you can access for free. I don't think anyone strongly advised you to
continue with your plans for the 260. There might be a reason for this.

However, it is your engine and your money. Please yourself.

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:56:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)

Ha! I got 21! ;-)


>WHOLY....! Why did i just get 17 of these?!
>
>-- 
>***********

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:55:42 EST
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500

Sorry for not posting my location, im in ILLINOIS about 20 miles south of
Wisconsin and 75 west of Chicago, yes the #s match.

feel free to call, (815) 965-5242

thankyou, Jeffrey T. Fieldsend

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:12:55 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500

$7500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THATS A STEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEBODY BETTER JUMP ON THIS DEAL!!!!    THAT 75 of his is MINT!!!

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:18:05 EST
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500

Rockford IL,, sorry again,, i have to stop posting when im half asleep,,
thanks,,
Jeffrey T. Fieldsend

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:02:14 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube

- -Thank you, this is the information I was looking for. I will make this one
of my many winter projects. Does anyone know if these things are being
reproduced anywhere, or do most people just abandon them and go to an
electric choke or some such thing? Just wondering.

Thanks again,
John


> Ooohhhh. O.k., then the best way is to make sure both surfaces are
>smooth and even. Take a flat file and just smooth out the mounting surface
>on the intake. Try not to take too much off, unless it's very pitted. Take
>enough off until the surface shines. That should be enough. Try and do the
>same for the choke tube assembly. This will be in worse shape than the
>intake. Try and file as much from the mounting surface as you can. What is
>important is that the surfaces be smooth but even. You should be able to
put
>the choke unit into a vise and file it there.
>
> I have tried using hi-temp silicone, but the heat isn't the problem
>it's the pressure from the exhaust that will blow it out, hence the need
for
>an even mounting surface. If you can't get a good seal, and you will know
>when it leaks (you can hear it very clearly). Try getting a hold of some
>copper sheets. They sell them at hardware or automotive stores. And cut out
>a gasket. It should help to seal it. Hope this helps..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 72Hurst [SMTP:72hurst@net-email.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 11:25 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube
>>
>> The thing is, I want to still use the heat activated choke as it is
>> supposed
>> to be, I don't want to cap off the opening, I'm just looking for a way to
>> seal around the fitting more effectively.
>>
>> John
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
>> I used a piece of aluminum cut to the roughly the same shape and bolted
it
>> over the choke opening. I used no sealers and it's been very effective.
No
>> leaks thus far. The aluminum adds a little flare, especially since it
>> won't
>> tarnish or fade.
>>
>>

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 17:07:24 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Smog legal 350

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

>      Not Olds, but my friend put a 350 in place of a 305, with NO AIR on the
> 350, and still passed. Doesn't LOOK right, but they can't look under the hood
> here...aren't the 307 AIR fittings in the manifolds anyway? Dorian

        Dorian:

        Where's "here?"

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:27:51 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smog legal 350

In a message dated 12/3/98 2:24:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
smithtp@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< >      Not Olds, but my friend put a 350 in place of a 305, with NO AIR on
the
 > 350, and still passed. Doesn't LOOK right, but they can't look under the
hood
 > here...aren't the 307 AIR fittings in the manifolds anyway? Dorian
 
         Dorian:
 
         Where's "here?"
  >>

      Here, would be WA, but it seems we are pretty lax on emissions..not
everyone has to go through them, and if they can't look under the hood
anyway...   Dorian

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:36:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Tom Lardner <lardner@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject: wanted:  15" rallye rims

I'm looking to buy a set of 15" old rallye rims for my 85 Cutlass Salon.
Let me know with or without tires and what condition/color.  Have a set of
steel wheels with locking wire wheel hubcaps (original from the car) 14"
if anyone is interested in those
Tom
ps  - email me privately thanks
lardner@umdnj.edu

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:59:26 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re Lightning Rods

Subject: RE: Lightning Rod Shifter

  I thought they were discontinued...  after Hurst was
purchased by Mr
Gasket Company.

  If you have a phone number where I can confirm they are
still available
I'll buy one myself.

  Thanks,

  Louie Arnold



Louie,

Hurst lists the Lightning Rods part numbers
in their current catalog and price sheet.  
Which would indicate that they are still available.
Check their web site at:
http://www.mrgasket.com/fuel.htm
Or contact a local speed shop who carries
Hurst products.
	
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:12:24 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: parts car, session 3

  Thanks to everyone for the good advice on removing steering column, it
went just fine.

Next I removed the back seat windows ('67 Cutlass,2 door). Would it be a
good idea to  keep the brackets for raising the window? Of course I had
to remove the panels and moldings first.

Next I removed misc. wiring and moldings and the C\S emblems. 

Except for the auto console in the floor, that's about all I'm going to
remove including what I've already done. I took a peak under the hood and
am starting to make plans for  some major wrenching. I'll keep you
posted.

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:02:42 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: wont start help

Todd M.Williams wrote:

        From what you say it sounds like the car was not running before all the
replacements, correct?  If you're certain there is no spark, well, the ignition
system is the obvious culprit.  Fortunately, precious little comprises the
ignition system.  You've replaced the points, plugs, coil, and spark plug
wires.  You should also do the cap and rotor, just to be safe.

> yes it is an external and it does have power going to the coil

       How is the ground wire from the negative side of the coil to the
distributor?  It is a thin black wire that goes to an opening in the underside
of the distributor and attaches to the breaker plate inside the distributor.  
It
moves with the breaker plate as the timing advance mechanisms move the plate.
It often gets quite brittle with age.  If it is broken, the current to the coil
will not be switched on and off by the points, preventing any spark.  However,
if you used a voltmeter or test lamp connected to the positive side of the coil
and some other ground, such as an engine part, you'd still read voltage to the
coil, even if that wire is broken.  Keep in mind, "broken" means the metal
conductors inside the wire have broken.  The wire can still appear intact.
Check the wire's continuity with an ohmmeter.        The opposite problem is
that this wire has shorted.  This is also possible, as this wire moves with the
breaker plate and can rub through to bare wire on the distributor.  Or, it can
be pinched.  In either case, this same ground wire can permanently ground out
the coil.  If this happens, the current will be shunted to ground, bypassing 
the
points, and will not be turned on and off by the points.
        Finally, there is another small ground wire beneath the breaker plate,
that is nearly impossible to see in any position humans were designed to
assume.  This wire maintains a proper ground for the breaker plate.  This wire
also moves with the breaker plate and can break, too.  This would cause
intermittent, ground problems.

        Bear in mind, this may not be the problem, but I have run into it 
before
on my beloved car.

        Good Luck!
- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:18:36 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Manifolds For Sale

I'm interested in hy performance parts in order to build my 307.  The motor is
going to stay in the parts car until spring but I would like to start
collecting parts over the winter.  Will the small block manifold fit the 307?
Is the 307 worth building?  Would I also need different heads?  let me
know.....I'm in Lincoln Ne.


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,  Nebraska
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 15:31:24 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock

This may be a dumb question, but how do you get a hold of them to 
rebuild them?  Also do you have to have a special console for these 
shifters? I will be using a 1968 GTO dual gate in a 72 cutlass supreme.  
Also does anyone know how to obtain a shift plate for these?

>hey guys just been burned by them before so watch yourselves besides
>hurst/mr. gasket will rebuild any of their shifters for a nominal fee 
much


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:36:38 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rings in oil pan how serious?

In a message dated 98-12-03 13:07:34 EST, you write:

<< Now for the GOOD news!
 Most 425cid engines that Karl knows of are 10.25:1 (or more) stock
 compression.
 Overboring INCREASES the compression ratio!
 (due to larger cylinder volume)
 Add to that a set of truly flat pistons and (arrrh urrrh arrr!)...
 
 You do plan on using only high octane in this project motor?
 
 SOM
  >>
Well, the motor's a 4 barrel high compression version, though it only had
single exhaust.  According the the specs it made 360 hp.   It pulled pretty
strong in the Delta 88 I got it out of, so it should be really great in my
Cutlass.  I do plan on using high octane in it, though I was planning on
getting a set of Edelbrok heads to help with the detonation.

DrkSole
73 DrkSole

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:34:59 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube

72Hurst wrote:

> Does anyone know if these things are being
> reproduced anywhere, or do most people just abandon them and go to an
> electric choke or some such thing? Just wondering.

    Year One sells the exterior tubes...the one leading to the hot-air choke
housing and the other one going to the carburetor air horn.  As for the plate
and long, bent, U-shaped interior tube, I don't know.  I've never seen repros 
of
these.  If your car came with it, I'd do my best to retain it.  Try the copper
gasket idea mentioned earlier.  I've seen small copper sheets at some craft
stores.--
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:56:05 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: 74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?

I've been following the general discussion on meeting
emissions on a 350 Olds swap into 84 HO.

My question is ... will a 74 Buick 350 drop into an 85 Cutlass.
The 307 is weak ... 106,000 Miles ... 2 quarts of oil every 300 miles.

I have a 74 Buick 350 ready to go ... that is 65,000 Miles and doesn't
burn oil. I'd like to drop that motor into the 85 while I look for a
regulation Olds 350.

Will it drop in no muss no fuss?   
Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:59:32 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).

Could whoever posted that quote from the Karate Kid movie (something like
"That's not just a car, it's a 442.  Would you call Michael Jordan just a
basketball player?") please send it to me (doing my part to keep the noise
down).

I'm also looking for the Demolition man quote (Sandra Bollock's character
extolling the virtues of a 442) and quotes that pertained to Oldsmobiles or
musclecars in general.

I would like them for my random quote section of my Olds page.  

Also, the movie Jumanji (sp?) was on the other night and I could have sworn
that the herd of elephants wanders past a 442.  Only saw it for a moment but it
looked like a earlier 70's Cutlass/442 and appeared to have 3 characters on the
fender.

TIA
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:00:40 EST
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: ?Restoration?

On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Mark wrote:

> Since you all seem to know so much, where can I find an owners
> manual for my 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88.  When I bought it it did not
> have one and have had no luck for 5 years.
> 
Mark: 

I have an owners manual for 1975 Delta 88 for $15.00 if you'd like.

I have a lot of Olds owners manuals from the late 60's to the early 80's.
The dealership I worked for bought another Olds store.   The guys at the other
store pulled the owners manuals from the used cars and just threw them in a
pile.   Can't imagine why,  but now I have quite a selection of Olds,
Cadillac, and other owners manuals all in decent shape. 

If anyone else wants something  give me a try.  $15.00 each, altho I might let
the ultra desirable Peugeot or the Plymouth Volarie (sp?) manual go a little
cheaper. ;-)

Ernie Johnson

67 442
50  88  

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:09:56 -0600
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ?Restoration?

BigEJ@aol.com wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Mark wrote:
> 
> > Since you all seem to know so much, where can I find an owners
> > manual for my 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88.  When I bought it it did not
> > have one and have had no luck for 5 years.
> >
> Mark:
> 
> I have an owners manual for 1975 Delta 88 for $15.00 if you'd like.
> 
> I have a lot of Olds owners manuals from the late 60's to the early 80's.
> The dealership I worked for bought another Olds store.   The guys at the 
other
> store pulled the owners manuals from the used cars and just threw them in a
> pile.   Can't imagine why,  but now I have quite a selection of Olds,
> Cadillac, and other owners manuals all in decent shape.
> 
> If anyone else wants something  give me a try.  $15.00 each, altho I might 
let
> the ultra desirable Peugeot or the Plymouth Volarie (sp?) manual go a little
> cheaper. ;-)
> 
> Ernie Johnson
> 
> 67 442
> 50  88



Is that for a 1975 Delta 88 Royale Convertible?  Is it really an
original?  Let me know how to contact you is so.

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:03:05 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).

Cliff Simpson wrote:
> 
> I'm also looking for the Demolition man quote (Sandra Bollock's character
> extolling the virtues of a 442) and quotes that pertained to Oldsmobiles or
> musclecars in general.
> 
> 
> Cliff Simpson



Cliff,  from Demolition Man:

Stalone (Spartan):  Now that's a thing of beauty. 
Do you know what this is?

Bullock (Huxley):  A 1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
with a 455 cubic inch engine, radial
tires and bucket seats.

Stalone:  I'm impressed.



Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:41:38 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Weird Question

Hey guys.  I have a kinda weird question.  When I was in high school (I'm 20
now) people where putting sugar and other stuff in people's gas tanks.  This
prompted me to buy a locking cap so no a$$hole would mess up the Cutlass.
Anyway how bad is it to get sugar in the gas tank?

Steve O.
CutW29@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:50:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).

>> I'm also looking for the Demolition man quote (Sandra Bollock's character
>> extolling the virtues of a 442) and quotes that pertained to Oldsmobiles or
>> musclecars in general.

I have a video clip compilation from Demolition Man that will be available
for download hopefully by tomorrow. It's got all the best clips of the '70
442 from the entire movie edited together. Unfortunately the quality is
poor and it's about a 13Mb download. If I have time in the near future I
will split it up into smaller, better quality pieces.


Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
J. Bryce Smith
Email: bryceman@442.com
Web: http://442.com

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:02:41 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Weird Question

EXTREMELY EXTREMELY BAD!!! - This happened to a friend of mine who REALLY 
pissed
off his then girl friend...  We don't know how much sugar she dumped in - but 
it
had to be at least a couple cups worth, judging from what we later found on the
floor of his garage (and later put two plus two together)  He managed to drive
it about 10 miles - 7 from the house and 3 back towards the house before the
holes that were being burnt in the pistons became to large for the engine to
stay running!  Needless to say it trashed the motor!  The machine shop said 
they
didn't think a .060" over bore would even clean up all the damage (motor was at
.030")!  He and his car have since recovered but he now has a locking gas cap 
on
his baby!  ('86 442 - now .030" over 403)
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a 'glide :-(
'75 Supreme - project car....
'82 Supreme - SB, 700R4, 3.73's - Grin!
'86 Supreme - V-8 - daily driver...

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:

> Hey guys.  I have a kinda weird question.  When I was in high school (I'm 20
> now) people where putting sugar and other stuff in people's gas tanks.  This
> prompted me to buy a locking cap so no a$$hole would mess up the Cutlass.
> Anyway how bad is it to get sugar in the gas tank?
>
> Steve O.
> CutW29@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:07:24 EST
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: 71 Hood Hinges/Springs

Can someone tell me the color & finish for my OAI hood hinges and springs for
my 
71 442 ?  I have mostly seen black, however someone suggested that they be
silver or gold cad plated.  Any infor would be appreciated.

Steve Dietrich
   71 442 W30 Conv.  (almost completed)
      S/E PA

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:08:11 EST
From: TerrysMHS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Weird Question

cancel me off this list

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:19:11 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock

Only one message!  J/k

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:00:45 -0400
From: mfatzii@aol.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#45722921: 1971 Oldsmobile 
Cutlass 442

mmmmmm hmmmmmmmm   pocket change........

Title of item:	1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442
Seller:	joe1annie2@aol.com
Starts:	11/29/98 17:39:42 PST 
Ends:	12/06/98 17:39:42 PST 
Price:	Starts at $14000.00
To bid the item, go to:	
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=45722921


Item Description:		
	1971 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS 442
RED W/WHITE HOOD STRIPES AND WHITE INTERIOR
455 ENGINE W/FOUR BARREL CARB
AUTOMATIC, BUCKETS, TICK-TOCK TACH, AM-FM RADIO
THIS CAR HAS ONLY 20,000 DOCUMENTED MILES !!
IT IS 100% ORIGINAL AND EXCELLENT CONDITION
I HAVE ORIGINAL BILL OF SALE 
OWN A SLICE OF TIME..  

	Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at 
http://www.ebay.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:12:46 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube

I knew that Year One sells the exterior tubes, I was hoping maybe someone
had a source for the bent one that goes in the manifold. Oh well, as I said
before another project for this winter.
Thanks,
John

- ->    Year One sells the exterior tubes...the one leading to the hot-air
choke
>housing and the other one going to the carburetor air horn.  As for the
plate
>and long, bent, U-shaped interior tube, I don't know.  I've never seen
repros of
>these.  If your car came with it, I'd do my best to retain it.  Try the
copper
>gasket idea mentioned earlier.  I've seen small copper sheets at some craft
>stores.--
>Thomas P. Smith
>1971 Cutlass S 350
>smithtp@ix.netcom.com
>

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:15:18 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: 10" AC Delco Filter lid

There is one of these on eBay at about 16.00 right now. How readily available
is this item?  Does anyone have one?  are they worth a darn?  I don't want the
hassle of another eBay item right now but I like the idea of having a new one
some time.   Oh ya, what it is, A 10 inch air cleaner lid with OLDSMOBILE
stamped in it supposedly made by A/C Delco.

TIA

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,  Nebraska
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:35:31 -0600
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: reupholstery recommendations

Any recommendations for someone to redo the bucket seats for my '69 442?  I
am looking for someone in the tricounty (Detroit) area.
I am in no hurry, just like to have it done over the winter.

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:58:32 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Smog legal 350

>I want to put a 350 Olds in my 84 H/O.  I know that it is a direct drope
>in.  My question is.  Are there 350 Heads that are Smog Legal.  I mean do
>that have air pipe fittings.  If so what years will work.  I also know that
>everthing from my 307 will bolt on.
>________


Virtually all Olds heads have the dreaded AIR bumps.  They can be drilled
and tapped for the fittings required for AIR.  If you want a complete engine
350 with the AIR  fittings already in palce, you need either  a 1980 model
(350 was available in 88, 98 , Custom Cruiser, Toronado and 442) or a
California car from '73 to '80.  I say '73 because presumably you also want
to retain EGR and the pre '73 cars lack this provision.   There is also
another possibility.  Most  large scale commercial engine rebuilders (ie.
Jasper, etc.) routinely drill and tap all heads for AIR. This alows them to
ship the same long blocks to all 50 states.
Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:54:57 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 71 Hood Hinges/Springs

> 
> Can someone tell me the color & finish for my OAI hood hinges and springs for
> my
> 71 442 ?  I have mostly seen black, however someone suggested that they be
> silver or gold cad plated.  Any infor would be appreciated.
> 
> Steve Dietrich




Steve,

The hood hinges and springs were originally 
gray phosphate.
 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:16:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Leaving This List

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:28:21 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)

i got 20

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:36:01 -0500
From: Norval Minnear <norval@ictransnet.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning Rod Shifter

W451973@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 76 HURSTOLDS?  is this a proto type?
> dennis
> w451973
> 73 HURSTOLDS
Dennis sorry about the miss typed year the Hurst Olds is a 77 not a 76
and yes it was a proto type featuring a targa top the proto type was
completed and tested but never went to production , the engine and
tranny was removed and the car was shelfed , why I do not know it sat in
a storage area for over 10 years . When the car was purchesed it was
purchesed less motor and tranny it now sports a 1025 HP blown 455 and
special 400 tranny with duel gate shifter,, Thanks Norval

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:48:33 -0800
From: "Mincy's" <JMincy@email.msn.com>
Subject: Date:	Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:48:33 -0800

Unsubscribe jmincy@msn.com

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:30:35 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)

god only knows how many i had, i thought my computer was locked up and wouldnt
let me delete . i kept hitting delete but the colum didnt seem to get any
shorter.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 23:37:26 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: fasten Belts Light and chime

I know this was discussed on the list not long ago, but I don't remember
how it turned out so I will tell my story.

My chime was bad on my 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham.  It would chime when
there was no key in the ignition and the lights were off sometimes and
when it did chime it would fade in and out.  Really annoying.  Also
annoying was every time I used a signal light or switched from bright to
dim lights or dim to bright lights the fasten belts light would come on
momentarily.  Not too annoying but something in the car wasn't right,
and I couldn't have that!  Anyway, last night I had to allow some
penetrating oil to penetrate the nuts on my air injection tube so I
figured hey, the car is down for at least a day, so I might as well lube
my speedo cable and re-attach the green signal light lens in the
instrument cluster that had ben out since I bought the car.  I
remembered the location of the chime so while I had it all apart I
decided to change it.  FYI, the new part isn't red, it is black.  It
seems to have solved both the chiming and fasten seat belts light at the
same time.  I post this because I remember two people had one of these
problems each.  For the fasten seat belts light, just replace the
chime--should do the trick--A warning though, It is about $40, and hard
to get to.  If anyone needs the part # I still have the box and since I
bought and replaced it just today it should be current.
Brian.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:11:17 -0500
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Hei Conversion

I've done it- the wiring's the easy part.  If you have the pigtail lead that
connects +12V to the distributor cap, just butt-splice this in to a wire of
the same general thickness, and run this wire thru a convenient hole in the
firewall, back to the fuseblock.  Crimp on a sta-kon connector and attach to
any ignition-switched lug on the fuseblock.  My '71 had a convenient spare
lug marked IGN.  For reasons others have mentioned, don't use a fuse.  The
fuse block is protected by a fusible link, and you don't want any nuisance
blowing of this circuit.

The hard part is getting the mechanical and vacuum advance curves to match
your engine application.  This took considerable fiddling on my HEI, but the
results were well worth the effort.  You may have to change or modify the
advance canister, and install an advance re-curve kit.  Or, you may get
lucky and have it work fine, as-is.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Sharon Brady <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 6:21 AM
Subject: Hei Conversion


>This goes out to anyone who has done the points to HEI conversion.  I just
>purchased and HEI from Jim Chermack for my '73 Delta 88.  How did you or
did
>you have to do much rewiring?  More importantly I would like to get a copy
>of the wiring diagram for the HEI.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Jim Brady
>1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
>bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
>
>

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:30:00 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?

350 Buick.  I believe it would, except for the exhaust.  I think you may
need some Regal engine mounts, but you trans.  should bolt right up.

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:42:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube

I have some good news and some bad news.  The good news that you might
still be able to buy one through a GM dealer.  I found and bought one last
year through an online auto parts locating service, www.partsvoice.com, I
think. Try searching for GM part number 408716.  The bad news is I
installed it, but it did not stop the exhaust leak.  I have wondered if a
high temp. sealant might help.  Can anyone recommend a sealant?

Greg Coons
1972 Cutlass Conv.
1972 Cutlass Sup. 


On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, 72Hurst wrote:

> I knew that Year One sells the exterior tubes, I was hoping maybe someone
> had a source for the bent one that goes in the manifold. Oh well, as I said
> before another project for this winter.
> Thanks,
> John

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:58:21 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: e-mail glitch in HotMail

The recent multi e-mail bombings have been coming from Microsoft's HotMail
servers. Thought I should pass to list as many here have HotMail. You might
better use another service for a few days. least we all have a 1,000 post
day...  Aruggg.

Ps. For the report:

http://www.news.com/News/Item/Textonly/0,25,29513,00.html


Olds content:

With a full moon to my back, at 11:30 PM and still 62 degrees out, This was
no NY December night. Subtle breeze and the roar of Quincy as I ran the
mountain near full speed. An 8 mile length of 4 open lane road that circles
and chorines from bottom to top. Not a single car in sight and the 60'+ wide
road nicely lit by the moon. I think I even caught my self howleing. The
Olds is usually tucked it about Thanksgiving as first snow had usually
painted the land. I guess my near teenager Cutlass is staying up a little
late this year.  Yeah....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

ICQ# 5209322 = "CC-IROC-SS"
Personal ICQ Communication Center:
http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5209322

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Project Questions To:
mailto:cc-iroc-ss@CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/win95board/multipage1.html
mailto:techsupport@salemcounty.com

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:33:36 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Saturated mailings for Olds in print

> thinking if we all went to this website ( http://www.cskpub.com ) and we
> all filled the E-mail with this suggestion for a magazine strictly
> dedicated to OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE!!

The suggestion was made.  I did so, also.  For those who don't want to hunt,
here's the address to shoot directly at:
mailto:jbauer@intac.com


- -- 

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 02:51:01 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: recurving distributor?

     Hey all at the list..anyone out there recurved stock HEI distributor, and
noticed any actual difference? I don't even know what GM curved them to...to
emissions standards, particular motor, etc.? If using the original HEI
distributor from say an Olds 350 ON an Olds 350 that you have built up (higher
compression, bigger cam, etc.) would a recurve help enough to be worth it? I
would think using a 350 dist. on a 455 would necessitate it, but what about
same motor with some mods? The FAQ has a section that says the MPG got an
unbelievable amount better..I find something that drastic hard to believe.
Anyone? (of course theres someone!)   Dorian

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 04:36:11 EST
From: HippieJohn@aol.com
Subject: 96 Cutlass Supreme SL

I just purchased a 96 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL. Are there any performance parts
in the market place for it? Cat-back exhaust, that sort of thing? Also I'm
curious if anyone that has done a stereo installation in one. 
Thanks for letting use the bandwidth,
John

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 06:46:42 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).

Yea, it's a damn shame what they did to that 442 too. ain't it. Can't the
corporate movie makers make a damn movie featuring our classic iron WITHOUT
TRASHING THE THINGS ALL TO HELL!!???

ED
The Omega man

2-'74s


- ----------------------


>Cliff,  from Demolition Man:
>
>Stalone (Spartan):  Now that's a thing of beauty. 
>Do you know what this is?
>
>Bullock (Huxley):  A 1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
>with a 455 cubic inch engine, radial
>tires and bucket seats.
>
>Stalone:  I'm impressed.
>
>
>
>Greg Rollin
>Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
>503-244-8249
>
>Web site:
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>
>E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 06:53:18 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: back on

Thanks all for reminding me how to re-subscribe. I was beginning to
suffer Olds BS withdrawal.

Bob-69 Cutlass 455/400

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:58:02 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

In a message dated 12/4/98
 5:<BR47:<BR17 AM Central Standard Tim, ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:> Yea, it's
a damn shame what they did to that 442 too. ain't it. Can't the
>  corporate movie makers make a damn movie featuring our classic iron WITHOUT
>  TRASHING THE THINGS ALL TO HELL!!???


Yes,

They COULD. But the will only when it gets rare enough that they fear not
being able to get another. They no longer crash real airplanes, but rather use
RC models. They have almost never crashed real helicopters, owing to the
difficulty of getting a "realisitc" crash (meaning one that is nothing like a
real crash, but rather one that explodes spectacularly about 6 times in quick
succession). They can get much more fake realism from a model.

When they can't find 442s they will start using models and then realize that
models would have been better for their purposes all along.

Sad.

Carron

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:46:53 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

The thing is, movies don't have to have car crashes and explosions to be
exciting, especially for us gearheads. Anyone ever seen Two Lane Blacktop.
Not much of a plot, but when James Taylor gears down that Big Block 55
Chevy then flat gets it on, man, it's just like your riding along in the
back seat. The music from that M22 and 454 gives me tingles...

Ed
The Omega man

- -------------------------------



At 06:58 AM 12/4/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/4/98
> 5:<BR47:<BR17 AM Central Standard Tim, ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:> Yea, it's
>a damn shame what they did to that 442 too. ain't it. Can't the
>>  corporate movie makers make a damn movie featuring our classic iron
WITHOUT
>>  TRASHING THE THINGS ALL TO HELL!!???
>
>
>Yes,
>
>They COULD. But the will only when it gets rare enough that they fear not
>being able to get another. They no longer crash real airplanes, but rather
use
>RC models. They have almost never crashed real helicopters, owing to the
>difficulty of getting a "realisitc" crash (meaning one that is nothing like a
>real crash, but rather one that explodes spectacularly about 6 times in quick
>succession). They can get much more fake realism from a model.
>
>When they can't find 442s they will start using models and then realize that
>models would have been better for their purposes all along.
>
>Sad.
>
>Carron
>
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:40:29 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 74 Buick 350 into 85 Olds ?

Your also going to need a set of Buick accessory brackets.  The 
engine will bolt up to the tranny fine (double check flexplate/torque
converter mounting, and torque converter depth) but you'll have to 
switch over all the brackets for the alternator, power steering, etc.
As long as everything is in the same basic location you'll be fine.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>350 Buick.  I believe it would, except for the exhaust.  I think you may
>need some Regal engine mounts, but you trans.  should bolt right up.
>
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:02:20 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Cost for paint/body-job?

What body shop did it?  I'm also in Clarksville.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>I paid $2300 for mine which included some Bondo and sanding on the rear,
>sanding on the front quarters, repair small holes in floor pans, reassembly
>of front end and bumpers and trim. 5 coats of black clear coat.
>
>Clarksville, Tennessee.
>
>I'm very happy with the results and effort put in by the body man. I'd
>recommend him.
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:14:49 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Hei Conversion

What I did on my 72 Cutlass was to take the original points 12v wire out
of where it goes into the fuse panel.  The underhood loom unbolted from
the engine compartment side.  Then I removed the connector (spade)
from the loom so I had the original points wire separated.  Then it was just
a matter of carefully uncrimping the spade and putting in the larger gauge
wire.  Worked and looked completely factory and never had a problem in
6 years.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>This goes out to anyone who has done the points to HEI conversion.  I just
>purchased and HEI from Jim Chermack for my '73 Delta 88.  How did you or
did
>you have to do much rewiring?  More importantly I would like to get a copy
>of the wiring diagram for the HEI.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Jim Brady
>1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
>bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
>
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:17:34 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: horn screwing up on '71 cutlass

Just use a test light to see if the connector for the horn is getting
juice.  If it is, bad horn.  If not, relay.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>> My rule of thumb is to check, if no other highly compelling
>> evidence suggests otherwise, the easiest/least expensive first.
>> In this case, it would be the relay and wiring.
>
>Generally speaking I agree with this, but in this particular case
>I'd vote for the horn as being the problem. Run a jumper wire to
>the horn terminal direct from the battery and the horn will probably
>sound just as bad; this is usually how they fail, by sounding bad
>and getting worse. Try unbolting it and cleaning up the terminal
>and the mounting backet (which is your ground) just in case, but I
>think when you've got it removed you'll find it sounds like it's
>full of grit, dirt and debris, a lot of which you can probably
>shake out of it and see for yourself.
>
>-- Andy
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:07:03 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

Hey, look, first, it isn't the movie company's fault that they destroy a
car, it's the car owner's fault for selling it to them in the first place.
Second, while the concept of "inexpensive" is obviously relative, I doubt
any movie company would pay $16,000 or so for a car to blow up when they
can spend $2000 on a lookalike that looks OK in a long camera shot.
Usually these types of movies use multiple lookalike cars, one really nice
one for the closeups, one modified one for the stunt driving, and one
trashed one for the demolition scenes.  In addition, since movie scenes are
rarely shot in order, it's doubtful that they would trash the nice one on
the chance that they'd need it later.  Remember the Chicago music video
with the 68 442 convert?  The car that did the flying stunt sure _looked_
like a Cutlass hardtop with the top cut off...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:43:37 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: insurance woes

> Have you tried Haverty's?  They may not hassle you.  They don't
> bother me, so they must be easy.  Peter.

I believe that should be "Hagerty's." You can find them on the 
web at http://www.hagerty.com

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:41:14 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: how do you get stickers off?

Hi Listers, 

Sounds like a stupid question: How do you get stickers off the chrome 
bumpers? I have two real hard ones. The surface is really firm and the 
glue just like concrete. They must be 20 years old. I Tried Acetone. I am 
sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain on the chrome? 
Any suggestions welcome!

Another question regarding bumpers: Working on the rear end I found a 
rust hole in the right lower end of the rear bumper... is there any way 
to fix this or to let it be fixed??? (Don't tell me to put a STICKER on 
it... )

Thanks, Regards, 
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 07:56:26 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Turn Signal Problem

> A '92 Cutlass Supreme SL has working flashers but nonworking turn
> signals.  
[...]
> The problem:  Where is it located?  Several of us looked under the
> dash and the fuse box and checked the owner's manual etc.  Can't
> figure out where the doggoned thing is/goes.

Sidetrack first: Turn signals on _both_ sides pooped out 
simultaneously, right? If the turn signal on one side still works, the 
problem is not with the flasher but with one or more exterior bulb(s).

It usually is up under the dash, sometimes clipped to the frame of the
dash in order to make the clicking noise resonate a little better. If
you still can't find it (or a similar car with a working flasher that
you can track down the noise with), Chilton publishes a Component
Locator book that might give you some hints. I forget whether it's a
separate publication or a big chapter in one of their electrical
diagram books, but it's out there. Try a parts store with a library
of service manuals...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:03:34 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

Yea, I know all that, but it still hurts to see one more die be it the real
thing or a $500 beater. If their gonna blow things up, do it to the mid
'80s junk. Lets get rid of some of those K-cars.

Ed
The Omega man

- ---------------------------

At 10:07 AM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey, look, first, it isn't the movie company's fault that they destroy a
>car, it's the car owner's fault for selling it to them in the first place.
>Second, while the concept of "inexpensive" is obviously relative, I doubt
>any movie company would pay $16,000 or so for a car to blow up when they
>can spend $2000 on a lookalike that looks OK in a long camera shot.
>Usually these types of movies use multiple lookalike cars, one really nice
>one for the closeups, one modified one for the stunt driving, and one
>trashed one for the demolition scenes.  In addition, since movie scenes are
>rarely shot in order, it's doubtful that they would trash the nice one on
>the chance that they'd need it later.  Remember the Chicago music video
>with the 68 442 convert?  The car that did the flying stunt sure _looked_
>like a Cutlass hardtop with the top cut off...
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:03:49 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds quotes (including the Karate Kid one).

hi do you like the omega...
have some nos  omega parts


jeff  olds guy

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:06:29 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

They make this stuff called Goo-Gone. I don't know who makes it but it
works like a charm. Comes in a little 3 or 4 oz bottle. It's yellow in
color. Try Wal-Mart or K-mart or one of the marts. Pretty cheap too. Takes
sticky crap off anything.

Ed
The Omega man
2-74's




At 09:41 AM 12/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Hi Listers, 
>
>Sounds like a stupid question: How do you get stickers off the chrome 
>bumpers? I have two real hard ones. The surface is really firm and the 
>glue just like concrete. They must be 20 years old. I Tried Acetone. I am 
>sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain on the chrome? 
>Any suggestions welcome!
>
>Another question regarding bumpers: Working on the rear end I found a 
>rust hole in the right lower end of the rear bumper... is there any way 
>to fix this or to let it be fixed??? (Don't tell me to put a STICKER on 
>it... )
>
>Thanks, Regards, 
>George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:07:17 -0500
From: Norval Minnear <norval@ictransnet.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

George wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> Sounds like a stupid question: How do you get stickers off the chrome
> bumpers? I have two real hard ones. The surface is really firm and the
> glue just like concrete. They must be 20 years old. I Tried Acetone. I am
> sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain on the chrome?
> Any suggestions welcome!
> 
> Another question regarding bumpers: Working on the rear end I found a
> rust hole in the right lower end of the rear bumper... is there any way
> to fix this or to let it be fixed??? (Don't tell me to put a STICKER on
> it... )
> 
> Thanks, Regards,
> George
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> '68 Cuttlass S Conv.
> http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------
George use a hair dryer to heat the glue and then lay the hair dryer
down and put laquer thinner on a rag and wipe the glue off this works
every time that is the way the pros do it and it wont discolor the
bumper ( it dosen't discolor your head ) get it plenty warm you can feel
when the glue gets soft ...

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:11:25 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: W-30 455 rebuild

Overboring is solely dependant on what the bores mic out at.  If you can
leave it STD bore save the money.  Main reason is availability of
oversize pistons.  .030 pistons are easy to find but larger ones can be a
pain to find.  My point?  If you bore it .030 over "just because" and have
to rebuild the motor again you may find it needs to be rebored again.
Thus new (sometimes quite expensive) pistons or a new block.  As far
as honing, that should be done EVERY TIME rings are replaced,
especially with moly rings since they don't seal as easily as cast ones.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>I do NOT know what I'm talking about, OK?  I am asking a question...
>
>Shouldn't he DEFINATELY go ahead and get the thing bored to, say, .030
>while he's got the thing apart?  Even if cost WAS a major consideration
>(i.e., don't want to buy oversize pistons), this old a block will
>eventually need to be honed, and since you can't do a honing job without
>ripping EVERYTHING out (like he's doing), and since the blowby will require
>this anyway...is this not THE (in HUGE LETTERS!) time to do it?



At 01:55 AM 12/3/98 , you wrote:
>OK, my car is going into the shop tomorrow for an engine rebuild.
>
>Problem:
>It has extremely bad blow by - about a quart of oil a day.
>
>Usage:
>Mostly with the Family, sometimes to work on beautiful days.
>I have never raced it but with the new drag strip in Joliet Illinois I
>know I will at least a couple of times a year.  So a stock W-30
>performance level should be fine.
>
>Questions:
>Of course I would love 550hp but it is a cruiser not a racer.
>Do I have Mondello work the heads?
>Do I replace any certain parts no matter what - i.e. camshaft rings and
>bearings of course(I think).  But how about pistons, water pump, valves
>etc.  Are there things I should do as long as the engine is a part?
>
>Am I asking too much to have a lightly modified street worthy W-30, that
>will do low 13's or high 12's in the ¼ mile?  It has the original 70 455
>block, F-heads and carb with electronic ignition with a turbo 400 trans
>and a W-27 rear end - can't find the code but the car has air so I
>assume it is a 3.23.  I do want it to appear stock so I want to keep the
>W-30 intake also.
>
>Any insight appreciated.
>
>Steven
>
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Brian Ammons Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
MIS Major - UT Austin b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
2903 Breeze Terrace http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
Austin, TX 78722 Home : (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
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  4-door (713) 318-5938
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:17:51 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: a/c-defroster

Does running the defroster in winter lubricate the AC on all cars, or do you
actually have to run the Ac to accomplish this?
tia
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:26:40 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

Probably be cheaper to get a good core bumper and have it rechromed.
I would much rather have one straightened than have a rust hole patched,
though I have done this with bumpers to be painted (can't use bondo
under chrome, you see).  Also you wouldn't have to worry about those
stickers.  Anyway try oven cleaner and let it sit for a while.  As far as
heat
it takes a torch amount of heat to blue the chrome.  If you look at exhaust
pipes on Harleys it's only the first few inches of pipe coming from the
motor that blues even though the rest of it gets pretty hot.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Hi Listers,
>
>Sounds like a stupid question: How do you get stickers off the chrome
>bumpers? I have two real hard ones. The surface is really firm and the
>glue just like concrete. They must be 20 years old. I Tried Acetone. I am
>sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain on the chrome?
>Any suggestions welcome!
>
>Another question regarding bumpers: Working on the rear end I found a
>rust hole in the right lower end of the rear bumper... is there any way
>to fix this or to let it be fixed??? (Don't tell me to put a STICKER on
>it... )
>
>Thanks, Regards,
>George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

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