Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
To:	oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
cc:	 
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #1668


oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, December 15 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1668



Re: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Electronic odometer reads "error"
Re: G body brakes
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)
Re: Wanted! a set of Batten Heads
Re: Attn Joe P. Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of 
Re: G body brakes
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: G body brakes
Re: PF-31 Oil Filters
Olds Diesels
Re: G body brakes
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1666
Re: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of
Re: parts car, session 5
Illinois engine shop feedback needed
Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
Re: Why no Victor intake for the Battens?
Re: H/O "D" Heads
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]]
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Re: hood hinge
Re:8000 rpm [more bench racing]
IGOR READ
Olds and F-Bodies
Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?
Pre-Paint Metal Treatment
Re: G body brakes
Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)
Need NOS Cruise control help
Re: G body brakes
Re: [Pre-Paint Metal Treatment]
Re: hood hinge 
Batten Heads Web Site ???
Re: Olds in Movies
Re: piston melting equipment
Re: '70 A/C Wiring
455 CCC Smog Results
Re: Translator needed
1969 98 info needed
Paint code 75
Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)
Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
Re: G body brakes
Diesel Question
Re: Paint code 75
Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of
Re: 1969 98 info needed
Re: Paint code 75
Re: [Paint code 75]
Re: 1969 98 info needed
Re: Paint code 75
Re: Diesel Question
Re: Paint code 75
Re: Paint code 75
Re: Diesel Question
62 OLDS 98 F/S

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:17:14 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

its not original and i since took the 4spd out after blowing up about 3
different trannies. what was your question anyway. i have owned this car for
about 14 years.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:57:47 -0500
From: kib7@usa.net
Subject: Electronic odometer reads "error"

Thanks everybody for your input. Here is the status update and more
questions.

Today I called a local (Ottawa) GM dealer and after I mentioned
'error' on the odometer after crossing 200,000 km they said:
- - "Oh, we had a couple of cars like this before. We take the whole
cluster (?) out and send it to Toronto, they fix it, send it back to us,
we install it and charge you $400."

Although they did not admit it, it looks to me that there was a deficiency
in the original design which doesn't allow the odometer to show figures
above 200,000.
It is not a result of wear and tear or poor handling or maintenance.
This kind of problem could not be discovered during the original warranty
period because you just don't drive it to the mileage that high during
the first few years of a car's life.

So my opinion (and hope) that GM should rectify it at their own expense.

Questions:
Is there any source of information on recalls/hidden warranties
for Oldsmobile cars?

Can anyone tell any (un)success stories about taking it up to GM
in a similar situation?

Konstantin


>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
>
>More info on this problem:
>
>There is a button on the dashboard, switching between 'kilometers' and
>'miles' mode. Normally I use it in 'kilometers' mode - I am in Canada.
>And the odometer shows 'error'.
>When I tried to put it into 'miles' mode, the odometer showed my normal
>mileage - 124K miles which is 200,000km. It immediately came to mind
>that the odometer is capable to show only '0' or '1' as the sixth digit so
>anything above 199,999 is displayed as 'error' . Although this idea
>doesn't sound reasonable or realistic to myself.
>
>Any other opinions?
>
>Konstantin
>
>>
>>Hello All,
>>
>>Problem:
>>Oldsmobile Cutlas Supreme SL 1991, V6 3.1L has a digital dashboard.
>>After replacing the dead battery with the new one I started the engine.
>>Naturally all the previous settings for the clock, radio, A/C were
>>forgotten, it happens every time you disconnect the battery.
>> 
>>But this time the odometer displayed the word "error" instead of
>>mileage.
>>
>>Question:
>>Is there any way to restore the original mileage reading or at least
>>reset the
>>odometer to some reasonable value?
>>
>>Thanks in advance, all opinions will be appreciated.
>>
>>Konstantin
>>Ottawa, Canada
>>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:52:13 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: G body brakes

In a message dated 12/15/98 9:31:42 AM EST, olds442@en.com writes:

<< I'll take my Delta without ABS (disc
 >front/drum rear-and weighs more that the f*rd) anytime!
 
 
 Thats a tough one.. that Explorer is pretty heavy.. specially if u have the
 4 door flavor >>

I dunno Ken,
I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
Bruce

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:18:28 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

I just wanted to make sure that there were no 74 bigblock 4 spds made..I knew
that as fact. and you said you had one, but now I know its not original..I'm
just trying to find another 73  Cutlass  S  455/4spd owner  . I have found
three 73 cutlass supreme 455/4spd owners  but no "S" owners yet...thanks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:21:42 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)

><< My 87 Trans Am GTA shifted into OD at 128 MPH at WOT.
>

>these cars had a 2004r transmissions, and all 2004r transmissions shift into
>overdrive at wot.  700r4's  dont shift into overdrive at wot. well, most
>700r4s, that is.
>jeremy

Jeremy --

I have never seen an F-body with a 200r4. All of the Chevy motor cars had
700r4s when equipped with OD. The early F-bodies (1982-83) had the TH 200
NON OD transmissions. In '84 and up they all had 700R4s

Tony the Former F-body owner!

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:20:03 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted! a set of Batten Heads

In a message dated 98-12-15 10:27:51 EST, you write:

<< I have a set of aluminum Batten heads on my drag car. I am not aware that
Batten makes a set of iron heads for the Olds. Just looked through my '97
catalog and there are no iron versions listed. Saw the post about ones for
sale on 442.com,are they a Batten casting or just stock heads modified by
Batten. One more thing if they are the same as my alum. versions you'll have
to have custom headers built or at least the flanges, they don't have the same
size exhaust ports. But I'm sure you all already knew that. >>

Yep, Batten's first aftermarket heads were cast iron.  They made three
versions of them.  Then they switched to alum for a material.  They no longer
make the cast irons.  Only alums heads get made now.  Yep also on the exhaust
modifying just like you have to use their intake also

W MACHINES

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:27:56 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Attn Joe P. Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of 

> The relay is sending out to the blower motor the full grunt of
> juice.

Right.

> This allows the company to run only a small current through the
> switch to the relay.

Right. A relay uses a smaller current to turn on a larger one.

> Without that relay they would have to have a mondo switch and they
> would have to run that huge wire all the way into the car and back
> out. Make any sense?

Right. It's cheaper to toss in a relay than to engineer a big beefy
dashboard switch and another ten feet of ten-gauge wiring per car.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:25:35 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: G body brakes

In a message dated 12/15/98 11:03:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:

<< I dunno Ken,
 I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
 Bruce >>

 No way it weighs that much! K5's weigh about 4800lbs..thats of course full
size, Explorer isn't.  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:47:10 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

RARE73OLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> just trying to find another 73  Cutlass  S  455/4spd owner  . I have found
> three 73 cutlass supreme 455/4spd owners

Oh really? Who are these gentlemen? I would like to know others with (in
my opinion) the best Olds combo ever.

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:45:26 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: G body brakes

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/15/98 11:03:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:
>
> << I dunno Ken,
>  I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
>  Bruce >>
>
>  No way it weighs that much! K5's weigh about 4800lbs..thats of course full
> size, Explorer isn't.  Dorian

Stats for a 1996 model

     Wheelbase ... 111.5 "
     Engine ... 5.0 L V-8
     Horsepower ...210 @4500 rpm
     Transmission ... Auto/Overdrive
     Mileage (city/hwy.) ... 18/23 mpg
     Fuel capacity ... 19.3 gals
     Curb weight ... 4450 lb.
     Base price ... $19,000
     Price as tested ... $25,000

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:38:47 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: PF-31 Oil Filters

In a message dated 12/15/98 8:06:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
renchd@krause.com writes:

<< I was curious to see what the list had to say about these.  As someone
 mentioned they are out of production.   >>

     Who were these filters made for? AMC? I would think they would have had
to come up with a replacement, right? I KNOW there are still AMC's out there.
Just wondering, maybe there are replacements out there, just not the same
number?  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:49:25 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Olds Diesels

Anyone on the list that can answer a couple more Olds diesel questions, could
you please contact me privately? Looks like I'm finally going to get the 8?
Cutlass with the bad diesel. Thanks, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:51:37 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: G body brakes

In a message dated 12/15/98 11:49:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, mahahn@fuse.net
writes:

<< Stats for a 1996 model
 
      Wheelbase ... 111.5 "
      Engine ... 5.0 L V-8
      Horsepower ...210 @4500 rpm
      Transmission ... Auto/Overdrive
      Mileage (city/hwy.) ... 18/23 mpg
      Fuel capacity ... 19.3 gals
      Curb weight ... 4450 lb.
      Base price ... $19,000
      Price as tested ... $25,000 >>

    I stand corrected..thats one heavy vehicle for what they are..no wonder it
couldn't pull itself out of the sand at the beach (don't ask) Olds content:
Thats one heavy Oldsmobile!
                                                                              
Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:11:22 EST
From: Glenaray@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1666

unsubscibe olds digest

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:53:01 EST
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

In a message dated 12/15/98, 10:22:06 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<I just wanted to make sure that there were no 74 bigblock 4 spds made..I
knew
that as fact. and you said you had one, but now I know its not original..I'm
just trying to find another 73  Cutlass  S  455/4spd owner  . I have found
three 73 cutlass supreme 455/4spd owners  but no "S" owners yet...thanks>>
I have had geez about 5- 73,74's never seen a BB with a 4spd.When i put the
4spd in my car it took alot of searching to get the flywheel. And that was
years ago. Most of all the cars i owned had a 350 and were auto's. Mine is a S
but only came w/350

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:04:57 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of

>Given your point that non-A/C systems don't use the relay, I was
>wondering what else would be the reason. It's been ages since I
>had one of those control panels apart, but is it possible that
>there's a second switch in there on the A/C MAX setting which
>also triggers the HI speed?

Not from what I can see from the schematic.  There is a switch that puts
power to the switch when the control lever is moved from OFF to any other
setting and there is a switch which puts power to the Clutch Solenoid when
the control lever is moved to Normal or MAX air conditioning.

>Perhaps it was cheaper to engineer
>lighter switches for the control which would then trigger a relay
>under the hood, connected by lighter, cheaper wiring between
>switch and relay than the fat gauge required otherwise.

Seems the most plausible answer.

>In any event, I would retain the high-speed bypass relay because
>the dash switches _do_ melt and I've replaced a couple.

I agree.  But are you referring to the AC or non AC switch?  Just curious.

>If you don't like the look of the relay
>under the hood, I would just relocate it somewhere else, such as
>next to the horn relay, wherever that is.

I'm putting other 30 amp relays for headlights, driving and fog lights so
I'll figure something out that looks neat and tidy.

>And someone also mentioned that the A/C fan _sounds_ more powerful
>than the non-A/C equivalent, even though it's the same blower. I'd
>guess that the different ducting between A/C and non-A/C cars might
>have something to do with it, plus the MAX A/C setting recirculates
>the air inside the car and sounds a lot noisier while doing it.

Yah, that's a good point.

Thanks Andy and Mike for thinking this through with me,

jp

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:24:55 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: Re: parts car, session 5

  This car was sitting in a salvage for more than ten years. In the
process almost all the top of the car has rotted out. There are several
large holes and several places where a screw driver could be stabbed
through with little effect. Of course you can imagine what this did to
the floor boards. The left rear quarter panel is caved in. The hood and
the trunk lid are badly damaged. So, I determined that with these
problems and others that I'd just strip it out.

One other thing of interest, on this car the vinyl top didn't have a pad
under it like my '67 442. It is my opinion that this may have helped in
causing the rusting.

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:02:33 PST "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
writes:
>What was actually wrong with this car? You have gotten many parts from 
>
>it?  Was is wrecked or something?
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:10:37 -0600
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Illinois engine shop feedback needed

Sorry to beat a dead horse....last time I'll bring it up....I was
referred to General Engine in Skokie, IL by "The Chevy Shop"(don't laugh
or flame, they have better prices for Pontiac and Olds stuff than JEGS
or SUMMITT and if they don't know what they're talking about, which is
not often, they'll say so) in Chicago. 

  The guy at the shop has 3 cranks he has to do, he quoted me $80-$100. 
He also knew what my problem was before I could finish saying, "I have
this Olds crank and I have a manual trans, so I was wondering...".  The
price sounds right, and unless I hear something negative about the shop,
I'll bring in the crank when I get back from Arizona in January. 
Otherwise, I'll be placing an order for the bearing adaptor with Greg
Rollins at SuperCars Unlimited.


  So, for the boys in Illinois, any negative/positive comments about the
shop?


Paul Brillhart

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:37:46 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"

> "Oh, we had a couple of cars like this before. We take the whole
> cluster (?) out and send it to Toronto, they fix it, send it back
> to us, we install it and charge you $400."
>
> Although they did not admit it, it looks to me that there was a 
> deficiency in the original design which doesn't allow the odometer
> to show figures above 200,000.
[...]
> This kind of problem could not be discovered during the original
> warranty period because you just don't drive it to the mileage that
> high during the first few years of a car's life.

Plus if you drive it that far, it's out of warranty on the basis of
mileage alone... although if all they see is "Error," I wonder how
they could tell.   :-)

Any idea what their Toronto repair does? i.e. Do you get back a
display which now displays 200,000 and up, or do you get back one
with a new chip in it that's counting up from zero again, and an
odometer-replacement sticker to put on the door pillar?

> So my opinion (and hope) that GM should rectify it at their own
> expense.

Perhaps if porcines become airborne...

No, seriously, this might be hidden-warranty stuff. There must be
some sort of embarrassment value here if it turns out that they
really did design it like this on the theory that the car wouldn't
last that long anyway. It would be very funny if you can get through
to "Car Talk" on the radio and ask Click and Clack about this.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:52:39 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Why no Victor intake for the Battens?

I Mondellos's Catalog there is a Batten brand intake manifold (looks like a
Victor to me).

- -----Original Message-----

>>
>> > Ken,
>>
>>  Gee, i wonder why Edelbrock has stopped making the intake that fits the
>Batten heads? I
>> bet Batten will come out with his own soon.
>> Dave Brode
>>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:55:41 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: H/O "D" Heads

They can't be fixed. Send them to me and I'll dispose of them for you ;-).


>
>Since I'm in a posting mood....  My father bought a 455 H/O motor in 1970
>(I think it's a '68 motor) to put in his 65 4-4-2 to replace the original
>400 (yes he still has the 400).  He had the 455 rebuilt a few years ago and
>was told that the "D" heads had some cracks in the valve seat area.  He
>bought another set of heads, not D's, and had them installed.  Since then
>the H/O heads have been collecting dust.  Is it a difficult repair to fix
>heads with this problem?  It seems like a waste to have a desirable set of
>heads collecting dust if they can be repaired.
>
>Dave
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:00:05 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]

I had my 72 sprayed with ChromaBase and between 2-3 coats of clear was put
on. The color is 93 medium Quasar Blue, which has a silver metal flake in
it. It is being wet sanded with 1500 grit paper and then finished off with
2000. My painter said that 2-3 coats is sufficient and wouldn't recommend
any more coats of clear. Does this sound right?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:44 AM
> 
> oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
> I have a question for you then if you are a painter by trade. Is it not
> true in Base/Clear coat systems, let's say DuPont ChromaBase, that 2-3
> coats of clear is maximum you should have sprayed. I heard anything more
> than that can make the paint crack. 
> 
> Second question is when you wet sand a car, how many coats of clear do
you
> remove? IF you sprayed it with 2 coats, will only 1 then remain?
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 
> ----------
> > From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]
> > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 11:12 AM
> > 
> 
> 
>  >2 good questions
> 
> >1st 1.Croma-Base/clear is exellent prod. I have never
> seen it crack or check in 15 years of use even with
> multi color graffix 5-10 coats of clear.I use MINIMUM
> of 3 full wet coats on non metalics twice that w-met.
> 
> >2nd 1.You must plan ahead for agressive color sanding
> you can lose half or more of the clear coat to remove
> ALL moderate orange peel.[varies greatly ]w-shop temp+
> humidity.Sand through to the base coat and your in a 
> world of hurt.You must leave enough clear for proper
> U-V protection.Hope this helps.
.netscape.com/netcenter/mail

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:59:01 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

I don't know anyone with a '73 455 4spd Cutlass, but I do know an 
individual with a '75 or '76 Cutlass with a 455 and a 4spd. 

I know. I know.

They didn't make those, right?
That's what I said, but after talking to the guy I have no reason not to 
believe him.

The gentleman with the car in question is the original owner of my '68 
H/O project. Seems that the dealership that the H/O came from in Iowa 
was well connected. Apparently they had three H/O cars in '68. One 
Non-air Holiday Coupe, one air Holiday Coupe, and one Non-air Sport 
Coupe (my project). He was in high school in '68 when he got the Hurst 
(it was in his father's name) and immediately used it for drag racing.

He sold the Hurst car when he was drafted. When he got back to the US, 
he got a '70 442 Convertible, which he kept until he got married in 
1975.

He went to the same dealership (he was friends with the owner) to 
purchase a new car when he sold the '70. He told the owner that he 
wanted a Cutlass with a 455 and a 4speed. Apparently the dealership 
pulled whatever strings were necessary to get this vehicle for him.

He says he still has all the documentation including the window sticker, 
and that the car sits over at his mother's house with something like 
75,000 miles on it.

Anyway, I thought some of you might find that interesting.



Brent Pinkstaff
1970 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass poo)


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:01:49 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of

>> In any event, I would retain the high-speed bypass relay because
>> the dash switches _do_ melt and I've replaced a couple.
>
> I agree.  But are you referring to the AC or non AC switch?

(head spinning)

Um, yes! (What was the question again? :-)

I think they were mostly A/C-equipped cars, in which case the
lower speeds alone must be sufficient to melt it, evidently.
But in any case, you're better off with the relay than without
it, regardless of whether or not you have A/C.

> Thanks Andy and Mike for thinking this through with me,

If you get stuck again, just ship us the car and we'll take a look.

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:57:42 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

Thanks for the replies....store my cars web page on your computers , just
incase you know of someone who knows of someone or had one so I can chat about
things that are in the car as original equipment 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MAGSURV/index.html">1973 OLDS CUTLASS
455/4spd.</A>  Harry Mager, New Jersey  .  I have had 46 musclecars and am
amazed at the performer that was available from Olds in 73 if you had the need
for Big Block Speed and wanted to Bang gears.

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 98 14:04:49 PST
From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
I had my 72 sprayed with ChromaBase and between 2-3 coats of clear was put
on. The color is 93 medium Quasar Blue, which has a silver metal flake in
it. It is being wet sanded with 1500 grit paper and then finished off with
2000. My painter said that 2-3 coats is sufficient and wouldn't recommend
any more coats of clear. Does this sound right?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

Would hold up about 1 year+~ in Arizona.

restoman






- ----------
> From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]]
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:44 AM
> 
> oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
> I have a question for you then if you are a painter by trade. Is it not
> true in Base/Clear coat systems, let's say DuPont ChromaBase, that 2-3
> coats of clear is maximum you should have sprayed. I heard anything more
> than that can make the paint crack. 
> 
> Second question is when you wet sand a car, how many coats of clear do
you
> remove? IF you sprayed it with 2 coats, will only 1 then remain?
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 
> ----------
> > From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: 70-72 W-30 Hood Stripes]]
> > Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 11:12 AM
> > 
> 
> 
>  >2 good questions
> 
> >1st 1.Croma-Base/clear is exellent prod. I have never
> seen it crack or check in 15 years of use even with
> multi color graffix 5-10 coats of clear.I use MINIMUM
> of 3 full wet coats on non metalics twice that w-met.
> 
> >2nd 1.You must plan ahead for agressive color sanding
> you can lose half or more of the clear coat to remove
> ALL moderate orange peel.[varies greatly ]w-shop temp+
> humidity.Sand through to the base coat and your in a 
> world of hurt.You must leave enough clear for proper
> U-V protection.Hope this helps.
.netscape.com/netcenter/mail


____________________________________________________________________
More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:08:52 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

That 75 Hurst sounds like a find...I guess if you know the right people you
could prob  get the Hurst Olds that way since Hurst had some pull left...there
is a 75 cutlass salon i found forsale in ohio with a 455 and special order
gears 3.90:1 no a/c  with 2,980 orig miles orig owner.If you want to ask about
the car as i have no room for her in my garage at this point .the info is at
the guest signing/read mail area of 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/CUTLASCOUP/index.html">CUTLASCOUP's Home Page
</A>   take it easy..your Olds nut from New Jersey Harry Mager

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:20:16 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: hood hinge

In a message dated 12/15/98 12:52:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
todd@wvadventures.net writes:

<< 
 anyone have a hood hinge that will fit a 74 442 i need the passenger side
 thanx 
 Todd 
 
 todd@wvadventures.net
  >>
      Sorry I don't have one but just for info reasons  1973-76 are the same
so maybe this will help someone help Todd

Everett OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:28:58 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re:8000 rpm [more bench racing]

> Hello all,

As i said I'm no expert, and i don't want to piss anyone off. Were just bench 
racing here,
but... I have my doubts that even a w-31 head can match the flow of some of the
aftermarket SB Ch*vy heads. Hell, i doubt a good "C" or "F" head could match 
some of the
better aftermarket sb Ch*vy heads.
 It may be a oxy-moron, but what I'm talking about is a SERIOUS high RPM drag 
strip effort
on a budget.
  I think the "C" head would be the only way to go on a  serious effort, 
budget drag
motor. The problem is the big chamber. Maybe someone can shed some light on us 
as to how
small the "C" head's chamber can be cut to. If it's a must, dome pistons do 
hurt flow, but
there's plenty of race engines that use them.

 Also, on another note, the diesel block would be the way to go, but the 455 
piston can't
be used. With a gas 350 rod, the 425 piston will work, but the 455 has a 
different
compression height than the 350&425. The type of effort i'm talking about here 
would be
much better off with a light weight piston anyway.
 I wonder if any of the single plane sb intakes would flow enough to match the 
"C" head???

Let's compare the sb Olds to the 350 and 400 Chev;

 rod-stroke ratio -
sb Olds[3.385" stroke] - 1.77
350 chev[3.48" stroke] - 1.63[5.7" rod], 1.72[6" rod]
400 chev[3.75" stroke] - 1.52[5.7" rod],  1.48[6" rod]
The olds' short stoke is an advantage
- --
main bearing journal - sb Olds
sb Olds - 2.5"
350 chev - 2.448"
400 chev - 2.648"
The Olds' main journal is not as big as the 400 chev, hence the bearing speed 
would be
slower than a 400 crank sb chev. I've seen the 400 chevys[and 383s] rev to 
7500, no prob.
I have a friend who revs a 5.65" rod 400 chev to 6800, every round.
- --
Rod journal;
sb olds - 2.125"
sb chev - 2.1"
The olds could be cut to 2.1" if one was to use aftermarket 6" or 6.125" sb 
chev rods[easy
to do]


Maybe Ken could ask Dave Smith to give his view of the "C" head on a 350-370" 
sb Olds,
with 5.13 gears and the other equipment needed to make it work[if it will]. I 
haven't
bought anything from Dave in a while, so i don't have the nerve to call. ARE 
YOU LISTENING
KEN?

This is fun, huh?
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:34:07 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: IGOR READ

Igor, what is your address?  email address I mean?  My address book deleted
itself again....


Joe Costanzo
'79 Scout II

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:20:55 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Olds and F-Bodies

Evenin' List:

Given my tendency to indulge in obscure information, I have a curious
question for those more versed in Olds history than I, which isn't
saying a whole lot.  Anyhoo, did Olds ever consider making an F-body?
If so, are there any pictures, on the 'Net or otherwise, of such a
beast?

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:23:32 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A 73 CUTLASS S 455/4SPD?

read your response about 75 CUTLASS 455 4SPD THAT GUY WITH 68 HURST OLDS
HAS.Sorry about mis reading on your orig. response I see it wasnt a 75 Hurst
Thanks again   , still looking for a fellow owner of a 73 cutlass S 455/4spd

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:22:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pre-Paint Metal Treatment

Okay, how do these people paint a frame with a frame off restoration?
Do they get the frame down to bare metal? I find this hard to do due
to the fact of the pits in the frame. Secondly, say a person can't get
a piece of metal down to shiny metal before applying primer and paint.
Is there anything that can be put on the metal that will nuetralize
the rust and fill in the pits? I want to paint the engine compartment
of my Olds and I would like to paint the frame as well. (At least as
far back as I can without taking the body off) Is there something that
I can coat the frame with? 

Del




==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:04:57 -0500
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: G body brakes

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 12/15/98 11:03:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:
> 
> << I dunno Ken,
>  I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
>  Bruce >>
> 
>  No way it weighs that much! K5's weigh about 4800lbs..thats of course full
> size, Explorer isn't.  Dorian
Let me help this matter. I just went out and looked at my door sticker
on my '98 explorer 4door. The GVWR is 5100 lbs. It is that heavy!
T.J.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:42:48 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)

In a message dated 12/15/98 2:23:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us writes:

<< I have never seen an F-body with a 200r4. All of the Chevy motor cars had
 700r4s when equipped with OD. The early F-bodies (1982-83) had the TH 200
 NON OD transmissions. In '84 and up they all had 700R4s
 
 Tony the Former F-body owner! >>

are you sure?  arent you talking about the turbocharged v6 transam?  that is
what a GTA is, isnt it?  i know the regular transams had 700r4s. im pretty
sure if it had the turbo v6 it has a 2004r.  same as a buick grand national.
there is an article on an '88 turbo transam in the november 1988 issue of hot
rod.  also, if anybody would be interested, there is a great article on a big
block '85 monte carlo.  big brakes, 9" rearend, and 700r4 tranny.  
jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:55:46 EST
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Need NOS Cruise control help

NOS cruise control option, Group # 3.880 Part # 996837.  If any of you have
the accessory parts listings handy, and can tell me what this fits, it would
be appreciated.  Once identified (I think it's mid '70's), it will be for
sale.  Please e-mail me privately if interested.

Thanks,
Steve

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:08:43 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: G body brakes

>
><< I dunno Ken,
> I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
> Bruce >>
>
> No way it weighs that much! K5's weigh about 4800lbs..thats of course full
>size, Explorer isn't.  Dorian


'75 Delta 88 Convertible - curb weight  (350 car with no A/C) 4,595 pounds.
Bruce was pretty close to right.  If anything, his estimate is low!!
Regards,
Fred
OCA 16246

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 98 18:21:31 PST
From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Pre-Paint Metal Treatment]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Okay, how do these people paint a frame with a frame off restoration?
Do they get the frame down to bare metal? I find this hard to do due
to the fact of the pits in the frame. Secondly, say a person can't get
a piece of metal down to shiny metal before applying primer and paint.
Is there anything that can be put on the metal that will nuetralize
the rust and fill in the pits? I want to paint the engine compartment
of my Olds and I would like to paint the frame as well. (At least as
far back as I can without taking the body off) Is there something that
I can coat the frame with? 

Del

>Dupont metel prep followed by veri_prime self-etching
primer would be bullit proof under correct satin black
top coat.IMRON is just shy of powder coating plus you
can touch it up if need be.

>restoman 





==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


____________________________________________________________________
More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:22:24 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: hood hinge 

Todd

        Sorry. We don't have one in stock. There is a parts yard near us that
has a 74 Cutlass 4 door I may be able to get it off. I won't be out there until
Saturday. I will let you know what I find.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts


At 12:42 PM 12/15/98 , you wrote:
>anyone have a hood hinge that will fit a 74 442 i need the passenger side
>thanx 
>Todd 
>
>todd@wvadventures.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:41:19 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Batten Heads Web Site ???

<Snip>
Yep, Batten's first aftermarket heads were cast iron.  They made three
versions of them.  Then they switched to alum for a material.  They no
longer
make the cast irons.  Only alums heads get made now.  Yep also on the
exhaust
modifying just like you have to use their intake also
W MACHINES

<GJC>

Yeah, But do they have a web site?

Have a Happy and Safe Holiday Season!
- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Send Project Questions To:
mailto:info@CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:17:03 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in Movies

DOE!!!! your probably right he did say turbojet 390 horse didnt he?   oops..
- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Olds in Movies


>At 02:36 PM 12/12/98 , you wrote:
>>well you are off by a year on the judge its a 70
>>396 was right
>
>
>Oooohhhh....I went to high school with Esteban Powell, who played "Carl"
>(the blonde fish with the attitude), and I have seen that move about a
>million times....and I would hasten to say that "Melba Toast" (Wooderson's
>Chevelle) was a 454.
>
>Tragically, my copy is in Houston, and the transcript
>(http://home.clara.net/maverick/dazed/) doesn't mention displacement, but I
>could have sworn...
>
>E-mail me privately if you think that there are those who would object to
>this "non-Olds" (but still B-I-T-C-H-I-N') content...
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Ammons Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
> MIS Major - UT Austin b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
> 2903 Breeze Terrace http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
> Austin, TX 78722 Home : (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
> 1984 Oldsmobile (713) 776-2110 (Houston)
> Delta 88 Pager: (512) 483-8056
>   4-door (713) 318-5938
>-------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:28:53 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: piston melting equipment

hey guys get yourselves a ceramic crucible take the cast iron center of a
differential lop off the axle tubes build a charcoal fire apply air to
supercharge the fire and voilla a forgeyou could then smelt just about
anything just keep the forge stoked and a constant flow of air to create a
turbocharged coal forge enjoy
- -----Original Message-----
From: SpeedCom@aol.com <SpeedCom@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: piston melting equipment


>In a message dated 12/13/98
> 12:<BR11:<BR33 AM Central Standard T, mbloomer@gateway.net writes:> If
your
>propane torch has a small flame tip then your only going to
>>  be able to heat a small area at a time which, if your trying to heat
>>  something as large as a skillet, will allow the rest of the surface area
to
>>  dissapate the heat.  Of course could always be wrong.
>
>
>But you are right, Mike. It would take 20 to 30 "standard propane torches"
to
>heat an iron skillet to the melting temp of aluminum. This is not a matter
of
>temperature only. What is required is heat. Best way to get it is with a
>forge, gas or coal...even charcoal, I hesitate to say. this latter always
>seems so simple until you try it. Nevertheless, if you can get a *deep* bed
of
>charcoal going, and blow it with a hair dryer from the bottom, you will get
>the skillet hot enough to melt aluminum. at the same time, everything in a
2
>block radius <VBG> will be covered with fine charcoal ash.
>
>If anyone wants more information on forges, of any type, email me and I'll
>answer questions. I should say, if you INTEND to build one. This is a big
>technical discipline and I could spend the rest of my days fielding "casual
>interest" questions. :-) I will help anyone who wants to make one.
>
>Best forge...brake drum, blower, coal.
>
>Cheers/Carron

>piss-poor blacksmith

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:42:45 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: '70 A/C Wiring

 thanks to all who helped out on the a/c wiring. i might have used the wrong
terminology though. i said relay  but i meant junction block. this is the
junction box that is positioned on the inside of the passenger sise fender.
some questions
is this junction block still available ?
how is it wired? if some one has a 1970 cutlass with air could they please
tell me what wires go where? i know some how the compressor is wired into this
block also
 any help would be greatly appreciated.       thanks,jim mckeague

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:27:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: 455 CCC Smog Results

Although emissions testing won't officially begin till April of next
year (for Southern Ontario), I decided to get some tailpipe readings on my
'88 Cadillac.  

	LS	RS
- -------------------------------
HC	115	168	ppm
CO	0.52%	0.36%
NOx	25	13	ppm
CO2	14.9%	14.6% 			
Time	180	300	seconds

These figures represent an average.  Note that the right side was tested
first; a larger percentage of time was spent at idle.  While at idle
(775-825 RPM), HC readings fluctuated from 170-230 ppm.  At 2500 RPM
cruise, HC readings dropped to 50-60 ppm.  I have a feeling that if I set
the idle to 1000 RPM, the HC numbers would decrease as the high figures 
could be a result of the greater camshaft overlap (which also might have
helped to achieve the impressively low NOx figures!)  Emissions standards
have not yet been established by the Ministry.  How would these readings
fare in some States?

The engine is a '75 455, bored 0.030" over, ~9:1 compression, Edelbrock
camshaft, 2.072" intake valves, positive backpressure EGR, and "J" heads
with some mild port work.  The exhaust system is a true dual with 2 Car
Sound catalytic converters and an H-pipe.  The E4MC Q-jet has 3/32" holes
in the primary throttle plates, the float is set at 9/32", and the idle
discharge ports have been opened up to pre-emissions levels and set at
approximately 4 turns out (very rich, however, M/C dwell is still in the
60-70% range).  The EPROM has been altered with small amount of
additional spark advance to improve idle quality.  The ignition is stock
HEI with Bosch Platinum plugs gapped at 0.060".  I haven't made any effort
to tune for emissions - emphasis has been on driveability.  Will adjusting
the idle mixture needles have any effect on emissions considering that the
CCC is functioning in closed loop and M/C dwell is not stuck at full rich?
Any suggestions?  Thanks.
 
Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:31:01 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Translator needed

I work with a guy who speaks Portuguese. I did not receive the original
post, ATT had a sniffle and I had no E-Mail for a week. Send me the post,
I'll have it translated.

Speaking of a SLOW list, I downloaded 1200(or so) messages yesterday. 75%
were from the list. That's roughly 900 messages from the list in a WEEK. Now
I do know some messages are missing, posts from other places, so if anyone
sent me anything,
please resend.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VBDeveloper@worldnet.att.net

                                       =
                                           =
                                                =
==================================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba=========
====666=================999============
        666                                  999
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Translator needed


>On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Andrew C. Green wrote:
>> I haven't seen a challenge like this for finding parts since
>> we all tried locating Esko Iola's '64 Olds ignition switch and
>> shipped it to Finland. Anyone have those parts sitting around?
>> (carburetor, tires and rear-window glass, I think...?)
>
>I agree with Andy; this sure would be a nice gesture to do especially
>given the season. Might be useful to actually have someone who could write
>back in Portugese though and confirm some details. Anyone out there?
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:38:34 PST
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1969 98 info needed

Were there two interior trim levels for 1969 98 two doors?  If so, how 
can you tell the difference?

TIA.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:43:46 PST
From: "flynt myrick" <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Paint code 75

What is the color name for paint code 75 available on 1969 Olds 98s?  
Can a list member tell me what interior trim code 224 and top code "F" 
are?

TIA.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:43:46 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 700R4 tranny w/not shift (Non Olds)

The car in question is an 87 GTA.  From my meager
understanding of these cars I thought the tubo V6 was
a year only thing for the Indy pace cars.  I know for a
fact that GTA's were available with V8's so either
way it could have a 700R4.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>
><< I have never seen an F-body with a 200r4. All of the Chevy motor cars
had
> 700r4s when equipped with OD. The early F-bodies (1982-83) had the TH 200
> NON OD transmissions. In '84 and up they all had 700R4s
>
> Tony the Former F-body owner! >>
>
>are you sure?  arent you talking about the turbocharged v6 transam?  that
is
>what a GTA is, isnt it?  i know the regular transams had 700r4s. im pretty
>sure if it had the turbo v6 it has a 2004r.  same as a buick grand
national.
>there is an article on an '88 turbo transam in the november 1988 issue of
hot
>rod.  also, if anybody would be interested, there is a great article on a
big
>block '85 monte carlo.  big brakes, 9" rearend, and 700r4 tranny.
>jeremy
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:50:37 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"

Don't know if it's a similar situation or not but on my 98 Sonoma
they really talked up my bumper to bumper warranty that even 
included the tires.  Well at about 2,000 miles one of the rear tires
disintegrated on the interstate.  Most of the sidewall was completely
gone.  I took it back to the dealer and they brought out every possible
excuse that it wasn't covered under warranty.  They pointed at the 
"road hazard" clause and said that since they couldn't prove that 
it wasn't then it was?!?!  I took it up as high as I could and got the 
door slammed in my face every time I turned around (keep in mind
that this is a $200 16" tire).  Needless to say I will never buy a New
GM car again and will have to think real hard about buying one that
is less than 20 yrs old, but that's just me taking up bandwidth.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Can anyone tell any (un)success stories about taking it up to GM
>in a similar situation?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:55:17 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: G body brakes

GVWR and curb wieght are completely different.  GVWR is how much the
vehicle will wiegh WITH is max cargo carrying capacity.  Basically how
much sh*t you can put in it before the axle snaps (slight exaggeration).
The curb wieght is how much the vehicle actually weighs with only it's
normal fluids.

Mike B

>>
>> << I dunno Ken,
>>  I think my Delta is about 4500lbs. Anyone how much the Expl*rer weighs?
>>  Bruce >>
>>
>>  No way it weighs that much! K5's weigh about 4800lbs..thats of course
full
>> size, Explorer isn't.  Dorian
>Let me help this matter. I just went out and looked at my door sticker
>on my '98 explorer 4door. The GVWR is 5100 lbs. It is that heavy!
>T.J.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:42:19 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Diesel Question

Hey guys got a kinda stupid question.  What are the differences between the
diesel 350 and the gas 350?  I know that diesels have glow plugs and that they
have higher compression but how much different are they?  Also what would be a
reasonable price for a diesel block?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:52:03 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code 75

on that code..if i remember i think its a red   i will go check

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:57:45 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Heater Blower Relay (a thread off of

>
>> Thanks Andy and Mike for thinking this through with me,
>
>If you get stuck again, just ship us the car and we'll take a look.
>
>-- Andy


Just ship it anyway.  We'll find something to fix

Mike B

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:59:06 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@UCALGARY.CA>
Subject: Re: 1969 98 info needed

I'm not sure if this answers your question or not but the Sales brochure states
"98 LS Sedan and Hardtop interior in Eden body cloth and Morocceen vinyl,
standard.  <snip> For milady, a recessed vanity mirror and tissue-towelette
dispenser.  Black, all-Morocceen vinyl trim is also standard if you prefer." 
This is under a picture of a gold interior.

Later there is a photo of a black interior with different patterning and it
states "98 Holiday Coupe interior in Flair pattern.  A smooth pleated body
cloth, trimmed in fine-grain Morocceen vinyl.  Accented in chrome and vinyl
button inserts.  Center armrest and simulated Elm-grain applique in doors and
across dash, standard.  Black, all-Morocceen trim is now also standard, if you
prefer."

I'll have the pictures scanned in the next couple of weeks and I'll either add
them to the others on my site or link over to another fellow (forget his name
right now) who specializes in the big cars.

HTH

flynt myrick wrote:
> 
> Were there two interior trim levels for 1969 98 two doors?  If so, how
> can you tell the difference?
> 
> TIA.
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:58:08 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code 75

  i should have known it was aztec gold  i had a 69 442 that color...but i
have had 46 musclecars and all these numbers get confusing

------------------------------

Date: 15 Dec 98 10:06:30 PST
From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Paint code 75]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
What is the color name for paint code 75 available on 1969 Olds 98s?  
Can a list member tell me what interior trim code 224 and top code "F" 
are?

TIA.

Flynt Myrick
f_myrick@hotmail.com
http://www.hotmail.com

<Looks to be AZTEC GOLD POLY
 nice color

restoman
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com


____________________________________________________________________
More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at 
http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:04:35 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 98 info needed

No.  There was only one '69 98 Holiday Coupe model.  There was, however a
black genuine leather interior trim option (rare).

The Convertibles (also 2 doors - your post did not specify open or closed)
are trimmed out differently with unique door panels and most of the LS
upgrades (cut pile carpet, etc.) as well as leather and "moroceen" seat
trim.

Regards,
Fred
1969 98 Conv.

- -----Original Message-----
From: flynt myrick <f_myrick@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 7:41 PM
Subject: 1969 98 info needed


>Were there two interior trim levels for 1969 98 two doors?  If so, how
>can you tell the difference?
>
>TIA.
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:06:23 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code 75

  I know where i got that code 75 was red ... i had a chevelle  SS and thats
the code for cranberry red..at least i got it right for you...told you i have
had too many musclecars

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:08:57 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Question

I bought a complete diesel motor for $150 with the alt, starter, injector pump,
etc in place - BTW this was a running motor - seems as though people either 
love
'em or hate 'em!
Todd Daenzer


Cutw29@aol.com wrote:

> Hey guys got a kinda stupid question.  What are the differences between the
> diesel 350 and the gas 350?  I know that diesels have glow plugs and that 
they
> have higher compression but how much different are they?  Also what would be 
a
> reasonable price for a diesel block?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:12:20 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Paint code 75

>What is the color name for paint code 75 available on 1969 Olds 98s?  

Aztec Gold

>Can a list member tell me what interior trim code 224 and top code "F" 

Top code should be a number, not a letter.  

Convertibles:
1- White
2- Black
3- Blue
6- Gold

Hardtops:
2- Black
3- Blue
5- Antique Parchment
8- Sable
9- Green
7- Burgundy

As for interiors, I am showing the folowing:
Black
Blue
Green
Gold
Red
Turquoise
Antique Parchment
Sandlewood


Regards,
Fred
1969 98 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:56:35 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint code 75

aztec gold

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:29:59 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Diesel Question

> Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys got a kinda stupid question.  What are the differences between the
> > diesel 350 and the gas 350?  

I can't give you specifics, but I remember a lot of people that were
associated with them said the main problem with the Olds diesel was that
they were a converted gas engine instead of an original design.  In
other words there were TOO many similarities because GM fitted rather
than new designed it.  Even the salesmen at the dealerships weren't real
excited about the engine.  I talked to a salesguy at the local Olds
dealership about buying a new loaded Cutlass wagon with this motor in
it.  The hint I got was that he would like to sell me anything but the
diesel.  As they had been out a year or two already, he knew they had
problems.  I didn't buy it for several different reasons, but it was one
of the few times a salesperson tried to talk me out of buying something.
He also the guy I went back and talked to about my 72 Hurst before I
bought it several years later.  It had been like 15+ yeaars since the
Hurst had been sold new, but he remembered it.  They had sold three of
them that year and he remember who two of them went to.  One of them was
the one I bought.  I think he sold Oldsmobiles for something like 25
years or so was also one of the reasons I talked to him.  A car sales
guy I would trust which is unfortunately something every dealer doesn't
have.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:39:56 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: 62 OLDS 98 F/S

Gang,

In my search for Bimmer parts today, I ran across a guy here in central
Ky that has a 1962 Olds 98 for sale.  If I understood him correctly it
has been in his family since new.  He gave me the following details:

Sky blue exterior
Darker blue interior with some type of seat inserts
61,000 miles
Surface rust only and very little of that
Power seat
Power windows
Power door locks
Tilt wheel
Air conditioning
V8 motor and automatic transmission

Price $2,250

Car was running as of about a year ago but has been sitting inside
since.  Man's name is Ron, and the car is located in MT, VERNON, KY.
Phone number is 606 256-9812. 

Usual disclaimers apply as I do not know the guy or the car.  I thought
it did sound decent enough that some Oldsmonut might be interested. 
Which of the three models it is I don't know yet, but I gave him the
codes so I will find out if anyone is interested.  If I wind up buying
some parts from the guy, I'll take a look at it.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #1668
*********************************

