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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, December 4 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1642



OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: a/c-defroster
Re: a/c-defroster
Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: recurving distributor?
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: Sox and Martin, non Olds
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: Olds 350 and High RPM's
Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: Better Horns?
Deal!!: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500
RYAN! : Holley Manifolds For Sale
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: Olds 350 and High RPM's
olds350 vs the 350 rocket
Re: 47 Olds and some questions
Re: W-30 455 rebuild
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Heat Activated choke tube
Re: Heat Activated choke tube
Re: 47 Olds and some questions
Re: Small Block update?
how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?
Re: how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?
Two Lane Blacktop
Question about Diesel FAQ
Re: Question about Diesel FAQ
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
TH 400 and the FAQ
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Poor idle/ Manifold deposit buildup
Re: Question about Diesel FAQ
Re: TH 400 and the FAQ
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: Deal!!: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
sorry, 
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: how do you get stickers off?
Re: how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: Heat Activated choke tube
Re: Lightning Rod Shifter
Re: .OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
Re: olds350 vs the 350 rocket
Re: Poor idle/ Manifold deposit buildup
Re: Two Lane Blacktop
Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.
Re: TH 400 and the FAQ

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:30:14 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

Does anyone know where I can get a set of Air-Cleaner lid stickers that say:
OLDSMOBILE ROCKET 455.  Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:33:29 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: a/c-defroster

Bruce,
Most GM cars engage the A/C compressor for dehumidification in defrost mode.
This has the same effect as running it in the A/C position.
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 11:21 AM
Subject: a/c-defroster


>Does running the defroster in winter lubricate the AC on all cars, or do
you
>actually have to run the Ac to accomplish this?
>tia
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:45:40 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: a/c-defroster

> Does running the defroster in winter lubricate the AC on all cars

No, only the one you're driving. (*rimshot*  Har! I slay me! :-)

> or do you actually have to run the Ac to accomplish this?

Running the windshield defroster setting will operate the compressor
as well; you don't need to use the A/C setting. However, there is a
temperature sensor in the system which prevents the compressor from
operating at all below something like 37 degrees (F). In short, if
you use the Defrost setting from time to time on chilly days but
not freezing days, you are already lubricating the A/C, and below
freezing, the compressor-self-preservation design takes over anyhow
and locks it out. Don't override it.

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:45:51 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can get a set of Air-Cleaner lid stickers that say:
> OLDSMOBILE ROCKET 455.  Thanks.

	Sure.... what year ..... I have 3 sizes 
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:47:50 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

Igor, 

I don't have the catalog in front of me but I think year one sells them 
in repros. 

George

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'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
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On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a set of Air-Cleaner lid stickers that say:
> OLDSMOBILE ROCKET 455.  Thanks.
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:56:14 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: recurving distributor?

Tuning a motor is one thing, and super tuning is another completely.  On
most motors that are set to normal (factory) specs you can often find up
to 10 hp by playing with the ignition and carb.  On a motor that has had
some performance work done you can find even more.  I'm not talking
about a motor that's barely running either.  There's a big difference
between a set of tune up specs that are "good" and ones that are "optimal".
I'm talking about curve but also plug heat ranges, using an adjustable
vacuum advance, and don't forget the carb.  It can take a while to do it
all but you'll get the most out of your motor.  Think about this.  If you
can
bump up your initial timing and get more power off the line but it's
detonating
when it gets to total timing that means you can recurve your dist and
narrow the gap between your initial and total timing so that you get
the low rpm power off the line and don't detonate.  This won't give you
more peak hp but at specific RPM's you will get more power, and off the
line where it's really needed.  Throw in an adjustable vacuum advance for
driveability and mileage to polish off the dist.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>     Hey all at the list..anyone out there recurved stock HEI distributor,
and
>noticed any actual difference? I don't even know what GM curved them
to...to
>emissions standards, particular motor, etc.? If using the original HEI
>distributor from say an Olds 350 ON an Olds 350 that you have built up
(higher
>compression, bigger cam, etc.) would a recurve help enough to be worth it?
I
>would think using a 350 dist. on a 455 would necessitate it, but what about
>same motor with some mods? The FAQ has a section that says the MPG got an
>unbelievable amount better..I find something that drastic hard to believe.
>Anyone? (of course theres someone!)   Dorian
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:15:09 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

> How do you get stickers off the chrome bumpers?
[...]
> I am sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain
> on the chrome? 

As the others said, you can use a hair dryer to soften it up. The
heat it generates is nowhere near what the bumper reaches when
you're parking in the sun on a hot day.

I use a plastic spatula to push the sticker off while the heat
is on it, then mineral spirits to dissolve whatever glue is left.
Wax when you're done. This works great on those stupid dealer
stickers (like, say, a Dodge dealer who insists on putting his
Dodge sticker on the back of an Olds, so it says to the whole
world, "I BOUGHT IT USED" :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:16:24 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Sox and Martin, non Olds

OK so I'm getting old and confused.  Thanks for the correction Lou.

Mike B

>Whoever sent the thread about Ronnie Sox being "Mr. Four Speed", it's not
>him. Pulled out some Old pictures and found a picture of a guy named "Herb
>McCandless", was out of Kentucky or Tenn. He was "Mr. Four Speed", have a
>picture of He and I on the starting line, it's written on the door in big
>letters. He was sponsored by Chrysler also, but not as much as S&M. If a
>had a scanner I would send, was on the cover of AHRA mag, similar to "Natl.
>Dragster"
>Lou Biggs
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:27:35 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> Yea, I know all that, but it still hurts to see one more die be it the real
> thing or a $500 beater. If their gonna blow things up, do it to the mid
> '80s junk. Lets get rid of some of those K-cars.

Not to step on anyone's toes because the K-cars saved a lot of peoples'
jobs, but you don't have to blow up them to get rid of them.  They kind
of self-destruct on their own.  One thing I will forever be thankful to
Chrysler Corporation for, though, they were very instrumental in the
revival of the convertible.  No other American manufacturer had the
testicles to produce them at the time.  For us fresh(?) air fans that
was a time of serious blahs.  Of course, C C had to be innovative or
fade into the history books.  As much as I like the Oldsmobiles, a lot
of today's products were introduced by C C because of their flirtation
with bankruptcy  back in the 70's and 80's.  Nothing sparks the
fertility of one's mind like the necssity to survive.  Still like the
69-72 Olds Cutlai best though.  Not dumping on the other fine vehicles,
just my personal preferences......

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:35:03 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 and High RPM's

> How do you find out what your redline
>R's should be? I mean, I know that if I were to keep my foot on the
>throttle, that engine would put out at least 6500...and that's with
>stock heads! When the engine goes back in, I am going to have the
>Edelbrock valve springs and the heads will be ported/polished/etc/etc.
>Then I will also be squeezing headers on it. (Still unsure on how they
>will fit, but that subject has been beaten to death.) Anyways, how do
>you go about finding your redline? Do I just hold it WOT until the
>lifters float and then check tach or what?
>
>Del


To determine what your redline should be you have to build two identical
motors.  Then you use a complex formula but it goes something like this.
Install the first motor and rev it as high as possible.  If a rod goes
through
the fender redline should be about 750 rpm below that rpm.  If engine stays
in one piece due to valve float that is your redline and you can sell the
second motor.

Seriously it's a matter of how much you care about your motor.  If you have
a basically stock bottom end stay close to manufacturer specs.  In my old
350 I had main straps, windage tray, polished rods, etc to handle higher
rpm's so stock specs were out the window.  Out of curiosity I buzzed it to
8 grand once and it pulled hard all the way.  Got scared and kept it down
to 7grand after that.  It was awesome on the autobahn!

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:45:47 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

3 sizes?? I thought 70-72 cars used the same size?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Mark Cornea (R) <mcornea@ford.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER
> Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 10:45 AM
> 
> Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone know where I can get a set of Air-Cleaner lid stickers that
say:
> > OLDSMOBILE ROCKET 455.  Thanks.
> 
> 	Sure.... what year ..... I have 3 sizes 
>          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
>                              1970 W30 (red)
> 
>                      <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
>                      <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>
> 
>                     Visit http://www.drdecal.com
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:42:15 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Better Horns?

In a message dated 98-12-02 20:22:15 EST, you write:

<< I put a set on my 56 that blast the tune Tequila (air horns, not the
 electronic-dummy horn) should have saved my money...........  >>

Why do you say this?

Got tired of Tequila?

Even Cuervo Especial??

Or disappointed with the horns??

K

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:42:18 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Deal!!: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500

In a message dated 98-12-03 17:17:40 EST, you write:

<< SOMEBODY BETTER JUMP ON THIS DEAL!!!!    THAT 75 of his is MINT!!! >>

Karl met JF and seen 75.

Karl does not pay that much for cars (the Buehner school of Oldmobilia).

Karl can say that the 1975 H/O is sweet!

(J.F. dunno if you recall, but last year at the IVOC spring dust-off at the
Dealership by South Beloit. Karl was the funny-looking scrawny guy with specs.
Queried you about the swivel bucket seat.)

Karl never saw a swivel bucket before!

Too cool!

K

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:42:20 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: RYAN! : Holley Manifolds For Sale

In a message dated 98-12-03 18:21:19 EST, you write:

<< I'm interested in hy performance parts in order to build my 307.  The motor
is
 going to stay in the parts car until spring but I would like to start
 collecting parts over the winter.  Will the small block manifold fit the 307?
 Is the 307 worth building?  Would I also need different heads?  let me
 know.....I'm in Lincoln Ne >>

A intake man that fits SB Olds will fit your 307.

Further, aside from the 260, all BB/SB oil pans will fit, all timing chains
will fit, and all SB cyl heads will bolt up.

Just about anything that goes on the 350 wil go on your 307 (is what I
understand).

As far as buildng your 307:
If it is a 1985 or later,  you prolly need different heads AND intake
manifold.

Your questions are best posted to the G-body list.
I do not have the address for that.

Best person to contact is John McJunkin.
Say ~first~ that I sent you!
(he'll be more agreeable)
contact him at;

Super442@yahoo.com

And say I sent you!
Good luck!

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:30:14 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> They make this stuff called Goo-Gone.

(A LITTLE SNIP OR TWO HERE)

 Takes
> sticky crap off anything.

Wonder if that would work on inlaws and other irritating people.......

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:45:39 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 350 and High RPM's

Mike B wrote:
>
>To determine what your redline should be you have to build two identical
>motors.  Then you use a complex formula but it goes something like this.
>Install the first motor and rev it as high as possible.  If a rod goes
>through
>the fender redline should be about 750 rpm below that rpm.  


- --------------

Oh come on now. We all know the rod will go through the bottom of the oil
pan before it would the fender.

Ed
The Omega man

2 74 Omegas WITH redlines.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:49:11 EST
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: olds350 vs the 350 rocket

I am going to put a 350 in my 82 cutlass and I got a couple of prices and the
difference between the 350 and the rocket was $50 and I was wondering what the
differences are between them.  Is the rocket better?   Any info would be
helpfull 
TIA 																	
Rich			

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:50:37 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: 47 Olds and some questions

>First, is there a website that shows the factory rear track dimension for
this
>series Olds? then, is there some location where I can go to pick out a
proper
>Olds rear end to match that track?
>
Don't know how similar your '47 Olds and a '49 chevy is but I did one and
put
a X body 10 bolt in it and it matched up great in width.  If the Olds and
chevy
tracks are close you might want to check it out.  Even if you have to have
the
spring perches moved to fit it would be easier than narrowing one.  The
rearend we used was out of a Nova somewhere about 74, I think.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:01:43 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: W-30 455 rebuild

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I plan on honing the block.  The engine will be apart probably some time =
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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:06:40 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> > How do you get stickers off the chrome bumpers?
> [...]

> As the others said, you can use a hair dryer to soften it up. The
> heat it generates is nowhere near what the bumper reaches when
> you're parking in the sun on a hot day.
> 
> I use a plastic spatula to push the sticker off while the heat
> is on it, then mineral spirits to dissolve whatever glue is left.
> Wax when you're done. This works great on those stupid dealer
> stickers (like, say, a Dodge dealer who insists on putting his
> Dodge sticker on the back of an Olds

Or the "SEE ROCK CITY" stickers or the like.  I never liked a dealer's
sticker/name on my car anyway.  Anytime it isn't already on the car when
I'm thinking of buying it I ask them to leave it off.  I don't get paid
to do their advertising for them, so I don't want it on there.  Also I
just don't like the look they give to the car.

Actually I haven't seen the method I used to use.  I've used parts of
most of the ways mentioned already.  I wasn't smart enough to think of
the plastic spatula, because I would try some form of soap first and a
razor blade.  Then I would try the hair dryer method.  If that didn't
work I would go up a notch with lighter fluid, gasoline or paint thinner
or something along those lines.  A lot of times if you soak a rag and
hold it on the bumper sticker for a few minutes it will come off when
just wetting it doesn't work.  I kills me what people put on the
non-chrome bumpers now.  Trying to get them off makes for a dicier
problem since it limits your methods because of the composite structure
and paint.  I just never put any stickers on my car.  Even while going
to college, I refused to put the parking stickers on the bumpers.  I
mounted them to the inside of the windshield and back glass instead. 
That way I could (and did from time to time) switch them to different
cars for a day or two.  Never had a problem with the campus cops about
it.  Didn't (and wouldn't today) do it with a ragtop though as it
invites someone to slash the top to get a $75 or so parking permit for
nothing.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:08:35 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

Peter Landowski wrote:
> 
> 3 sizes?? I thought 70-72 cars used the same size?
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

	1 is the 4BBL
	2 sizes for the 2BBL (2 different lid vendors)
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:06:50 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

I was going to say how much I like the new other-C-word cars but I don't need
the flames.  The Aurora is still what I'd buy my parents if I won the lottery
but I can see why Benz bought Ch*rsler.

Now if they could just get Benz quality with the Intrepid's styling they would
have a winner.

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> <snip> As much as I like the Oldsmobiles, a lot
> of today's products were introduced by C C because of their flirtation
> with bankruptcy  back in the 70's and 80's.  Nothing sparks the
> fertility of one's mind like the necssity to survive.  <snip>


- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:20:48 -0600
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: Heat Activated choke tube

>Subject: Re: Heat Activated Choke Tube

>- -Thank you, this is the information I was looking >for. I will make
this one
>of my many winter projects. Does anyone know if these >things are being
>reproduced anywhere, or do most people just abandon >them and go to an
<electric choke or some such thing? Just wondering.

>Thanks again,
>John

 Isn't there a gasket for use between the tube plate and manifold? Seems
I've removed one in the past and think there was one in the overhaul
gasket kit I used on a 403. Have you tried an auto parts store? Or make
one from sheet gasket material.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:24:58 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Heat Activated choke tube

 Isn't there a gasket for use between the tube plate and manifold? Seems
I've removed one in the past and think there was one in the overhaul
gasket kit I used on a 403. Have you tried an auto parts store? Or make
one from sheet gasket material.
________-

There is a gasket, but it needs to be made from exhaust gasket material,
not just regular gasket material.  The ones that come in gasket sets are of
this heavier, asbestos-like material.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbtial.com

66 442
68 W039
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:31:02 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: 47 Olds and some questions

In a message dated 12/4/98
 11:<BR57:<BR21 AM Central Standard Ti, mbloomer@gateway.net writes:
> Don't know how similar your '47 Olds and a '49 chevy is but I did one and
>  put a X body 10 bolt in it and it matched up great in width.  If the Olds
and chevy
>  tracks are close you might want to check it out.  Even if you have to have
the
>  spring perches moved to fit it would be easier than narrowing one.  The
>  rearend we used was out of a Nova somewhere about 74, I think.


Mike,

I think the Olds and C***y had the same sheet metal and frame back there, so
the same axle should fit. I really don't want a wider than original axle
because the tire clearance side-to-side is not great back there. The Impala
axle currently in it is only 1" wider (each side) and that severely restricts
tire width.

I think that the X body will fit perfectly according to a couple other
respondents.

Cheers/Carron

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:36:23 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Small Block update?

Charles Lundin wrote:

> (SNIP)
> Anyone know what the CFM is for a dual-jet? Could I get by with the carb
> alone and achieve my goal?
> Thanks, CL

CFM for Dualjet (Qjet w/o secondaries)
1-3/32-in. venturi = 227 cfm
1-7/32-in. venturi = 287 cfm


From: Mark Hahn
[mailto:mahahn@fuse.net]

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:56:53 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?

In a slant to the bumper goo, How does one remove the remaining adhesive
from 2 months of masking tape adhered to a vinyl top. Caustic cleaners
remove the vinyl color and provade the vinyl integrity. Potions like Armor
all and sun of a gun are useless to lubricate and separate the adhesive
grip. Heat is not a useful factor as vinyl deformity may result. Any
suggestions?

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- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 12:15 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?


> How do you get stickers off the chrome bumpers?
[...]
> I am sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain
> on the chrome?

As the others said, you can use a hair dryer to soften it up. The
heat it generates is nowhere near what the bumper reaches when
you're parking in the sun on a hot day.

I use a plastic spatula to push the sticker off while the heat
is on it, then mineral spirits to dissolve whatever glue is left.
Wax when you're done. This works great on those stupid dealer
stickers (like, say, a Dodge dealer who insists on putting his
Dodge sticker on the back of an Olds, so it says to the whole
world, "I BOUGHT IT USED" :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:01:37 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?

Gary, and others,

One of the best solvents I've found for cleaning up assorted dried
adhesives is the pre-cleaner solvent sold for wiping down a car just prior
to paint.  This particular solvent (known variously as Pre-Kleeno and other
names) is available at auto paint stores and will remove just about any
type of adhesive.  I've used this on numerous painted and plasic surfaces
(including vinyl tops) with no ill effects (though always test on an
inconspicuous corner...).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:10:32 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Two Lane Blacktop

Not much Olds talk here, but Gene mentioned the movie Two Lane Blacktop
in a recent post.  I have been looking for that movie forever, and since
it was made before I was, I have never seen it.  All the gearheads seem
to love it though, and I am sure I would be no exception.  Any help on
finding a copy of this would be greatly appreciated.
Brian.

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> The thing is, movies don't have to have car crashes and explosions to be
> exciting, especially for us gearheads. Anyone ever seen Two Lane Blacktop.
> Not much of a plot, but when James Taylor gears down that Big Block 55
> Chevy then flat gets it on, man, it's just like your riding along in the
> back seat. The music from that M22 and 454 gives me tingles...
> 
> Ed
> The Omega man
> 
> -------------------------------
> 
> At 06:58 AM 12/4/98 EST, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 12/4/98
> > 5:<BR47:<BR17 AM Central Standard Tim, ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:> Yea, 
it's
> >a damn shame what they did to that 442 too. ain't it. Can't the
> >>  corporate movie makers make a damn movie featuring our classic iron
> WITHOUT
> >>  TRASHING THE THINGS ALL TO HELL!!???
> >
> >
> >Yes,
> >
> >They COULD. But the will only when it gets rare enough that they fear not
> >being able to get another. They no longer crash real airplanes, but rather
> use
> >RC models. They have almost never crashed real helicopters, owing to the
> >difficulty of getting a "realisitc" crash (meaning one that is nothing like 
a
> >real crash, but rather one that explodes spectacularly about 6 times in 
quick
> >succession). They can get much more fake realism from a model.
> >
> >When they can't find 442s they will start using models and then realize that
> >models would have been better for their purposes all along.
> >
> >Sad.
> >
> >Carron
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:14:17 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Question about Diesel FAQ

In the Olds FAQ, under the diesel section, there is the following statement:

 [The 350 diesel block with a 425 crank and the stock bore size block (4.057")
will yield a bulletproof 411 CID small block. The 350 diesel block can be
safely overbored .125" without sonic testing, to make a 437 CID small block.
The 350 diesel block can be bored out to 4.25" when sonic tested. With a
shaved down 425 crank and a 3.975 stroke, that works out to 451 cubic inches.
]

Is this to mean using the diesel block to make a GAS 411/451 or to make a
diesel 411/451? If diesel, does that mean that none of the other equipment
needs to be changed? Could one run a 451 diesel with all the injectors, cams,
etc., used on the 350? Hmmmm...

Cheers/Don Carron

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:21:47 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Question about Diesel FAQ

Is this to mean using the diesel block to make a GAS 411/451 or to make a
diesel 411/451? If diesel, does that mean that none of the other equipment
needs to be changed? Could one run a 451 diesel with all the injectors,
cams,
etc., used on the 350? Hmmmm...

Cheers/Don Carron
______

That would be using the diesel block to build a _gas_ motor.  The extra
meat in the cylinder walls is necessary for the pressure a diesel
generates.  When you cut the walls with a major overbore as described, they
are still adequate for the lower cylinder pressures that a gas engine
generates, but will likely not survive in diesel use (heck, those motors
were underdesigned in stock form).

While it's fun to speculate about these oddball diesel conversions, I
suspect that when you're done, you'll have a motor which not only has the
same displacement as a big block Olds, but also has _more_ weight and
significantly more cost.  For almost every application, I'd just go with a
big block unless the extra inch of height and width _really_ makes a
difference.  About the only application that I'd consider for one of these
motors is to sneak it into a 64 442 and tell everyone it's the original
330...  Of course, you could paint your 455 gold and likely fool 99% of the
people anyway...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:24:41 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

While we're digressing onto this thread, a non-Olds trivia quickie:  The 55
Chevy used in Two Lane Blacktop is the same one Harrison Ford drove in
American Graffiti.  OK, one more:  What's the significance of the license
plate on Milner's car in American Graffiti?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:27:48 -0800
From: "Steve Elijah" <selijah@eznet.com>
Subject: TH 400 and the FAQ

Am I reading the faq wrong? My '72 Vista-Cruiser:  350 cid has a TH400
transmission, marked "OA" on the side plate.  The faq (and even my owners
manual)seems to say this couldn't be.  I am the 3rd owner of this car.   Is
this a better transmission to have?  If this was a special order or
something, what else would that indicate to you about the car?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:33:14 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

They show it on SPEEDVISION sometimes, if you get it on your cable system.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:40:30 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

As long as it's not a G Body! :-)
Brian.


Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
>
>  If their gonna blow things up, do it to the mid
> '80s junk. 
> 
> Ed
> The Omega man
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> At 10:07 AM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hey, look, first, it isn't the movie company's fault that they destroy a
> >car, it's the car owner's fault for selling it to them in the first place.
> >Second, while the concept of "inexpensive" is obviously relative, I doubt
> >any movie company would pay $16,000 or so for a car to blow up when they
> >can spend $2000 on a lookalike that looks OK in a long camera shot.
> >Usually these types of movies use multiple lookalike cars, one really nice
> >one for the closeups, one modified one for the stunt driving, and one
> >trashed one for the demolition scenes.  In addition, since movie scenes are
> >rarely shot in order, it's doubtful that they would trash the nice one on
> >the chance that they'd need it later.  Remember the Chicago music video
> >with the 68 442 convert?  The car that did the flying stunt sure _looked_
> >like a Cutlass hardtop with the top cut off...
> >
> >Joe Padavano
> >padavano.joe@orbital.com
> >
> >66 442
> >68 W-30
> >69 H/O
> >69 442
> >70 W-30
> >
> >
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:44:23 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Poor idle/ Manifold deposit buildup

OK guys, I can't take this anymore.  I have passively usurped all 
this information on this as I could.  I've tried everything I can 
think of.  My car will not idle until warmed up (even then the idle 
is not great).  It will fast idle roughly then die out.  Put it in 
gear . . .stalls out.  This is a 77 350/350 combo I put in an 82 CSC. 
 I used everything off the 350 (carb, dist., etc.).  I rebuilt the 
carb (new gaskets and such) this past weekend to no avail.  I 
tightened the carb studs down to specs (or at least tried....130 
ft.lbs on the long bolts...i broke two off in the manifold!  Is 130 
right?) to try to eliminate vacuum leaks there.  I thing it may be is 
vacuum lines.  I have no idea where they all go.  They were all mixed 
up when I bought the engine.  Does anyone have a 77 350 carb 
(4bbl. Q-jet) that is willing to help me out here?  I need to know 
physical the location of the physical port on the carb and where it 
leads to, ie. front vacuum break.
  	Also while I had the carb off I noticed inside the manifold 
straight down under each primary there are holes about 1.5 cm dia.  
This were all crusted over, on side down to a hole the size of a 
pencil.  Is this important?  Is this some heat/vacuum/EGR thing, or 
is it for the intake gas mixture?  Is my whole manifold probably like 
this?  

TIA
JOE

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:42:58 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Question about Diesel FAQ

In a message dated 12/4/98
 1:<BR27:<BR59 PM Central Standard Tim, Padavano.Joe@orbital.com writes:> That
would be using the diesel block to build a _gas_ motor. 


thanks, Joe, I expected that was the intention, but it certainly ins't clear
from th context in the FAQ.

Cheers/Carron
who *likes* oil burners,knowing that's a sign of big time emotional problems
:-)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:39:31 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: TH 400 and the FAQ

Am I reading the faq wrong? My '72 Vista-Cruiser:  350 cid has a TH400
transmission, marked "OA" on the side plate.  The faq (and even my owners
manual)seems to say this couldn't be.  I am the 3rd owner of this car.   Is
this a better transmission to have?  If this was a special order or
something, what else would that indicate to you about the car?
______________

VCs were the top of the line A-body wagon, and as a result came equipped
with the TH400 instead of the TH350 or Jetaway in 68-72, even when equiped
with the 350 motor.  The TH400 is generally accepted as the stronger of the
two transmissions.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:48:05 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

Never saw either one.  Does anyone have a copy of a copy that you
wouldn't mind copying and selling to me?  (Two Lane Blacktop, that is)
Brian

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> 
> While we're digressing onto this thread, a non-Olds trivia quickie:  The 55
> Chevy used in Two Lane Blacktop is the same one Harrison Ford drove in
> American Graffiti.  OK, one more:  What's the significance of the license
> plate on Milner's car in American Graffiti?
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:49:18 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

Wonderful wonderful wonderful!  It just so happens I just moved to an
area that has speedvision as a part of regular cable!  I will be sure to
watch out for it.
Thanks!
Brian.

Lou0118@aol.com wrote:
> 
> They show it on SPEEDVISION sometimes, if you get it on your cable system.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:04:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

    The best way to get the stickers off is to use heat.  Just take a
hair dryer and warm the sticker(s) up for a while.  THey should come
right off after that.
Then, to get the sticky glue stuff off, just use some Zippo type
lighter fluid on a rag.  It should take it right off.  Mineral oil or
gasoline would probably work too.  As far as bluing the chrome, as
long as the heat isn't too high, it shouldn't affect the chrome at
all.  The only way that the chrome would get blued is if you use a
torch or something of similar heat intensity.  A regular hair dryer
set on high should take the stickers off with no problem.  If that
doesn't work, use a belt sander.  If there is any chrome left after
that, it won't be blue :^)  Good luck.

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
sgadecki@yahoo.com





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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:04:29 EST
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deal!!: For Sale: 3 H/Os and extra parts $7500

Karl,,, how could i ever forget you??? thanks Jeffrey

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:19:55 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

It has something to do with George Lucas's first movie.  Something like
THX2000 of something like that.

Lou
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:20:42 -0500
From: mblanken@medaphis.com (Mike Blankenship)
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

Two-Lane Blacktop stoked me into buying my 70 GTO Judge RAIV.  It only took
4 years to find one (1 of 325).  Its a neat movie.  I have a copy but is so 
poor its not worth coping. 

Mike Blankenship
70 442 W-30
70 GTO Judge RAIV
(2) 71 442 Convt
71 Cutlass S
87 Cutlass Salon
95 Corvette 


Never saw either one.  Does anyone have a copy of a copy that you
wouldn't mind copying and selling to me?  (Two Lane Blacktop, that is)
Brian

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> 
> While we're digressing onto this thread, a non-Olds trivia quickie:  The 55
> Chevy used in Two Lane Blacktop is the same one Harrison Ford drove in
> American Graffiti.  OK, one more:  What's the significance of the license
> plate on Milner's car in American Graffiti?
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30


- ----- End Included Message -----

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:23:48 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

Speedvision has a good show on at 8:00 pm on Thursday - American Muscle Car.

One of the programs was about the 442.

They have done the GTO, Chevelle SS, Vette, Hemi Cuda and several others.

Lou
lou0118@aol.com
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:25:20 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: sorry, 

Sorry Guys it seems my computer at work is some how send my messages 
more than once.  It is hooked to a LAN Modem I will have to check it. 
Sorry I wasn't doing this on purpose.


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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:24:09 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

It has something to do with George Lucas's first movie.  Something like
THX2000 of something like that.

Lou
69 442 W-30
______

Yep.  The movie was actually THX 1138, the plate (limited to 6 letters) was
THX 138 (hey, where else are you gonna get gems like this?)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:29:11 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 17??(Re: Dual Gate Shifter, The Paddock)

Sorry I don't know what happened.

>> The reason I was asking is that I have a dual gate out of a 1968 GTO 
is
>> this the same as a 71 dual gate for a cutlass?
>> 
>
>WHOLY....! Why did i just get 17 of these?!
>


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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:32:30 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

> It kills me what people put on the non-chrome bumpers now. 
> Trying to get them off makes for a dicier problem since it
> limits your methods because of the composite structure
> and paint.

Actually I've done the hair-drier-and-spatula routine on a
painted surface (sheet metal trunk lid) and it worked just
fine. I haven't tried it on a molded/non-chrome bumper but
I would think it should work. Again, the heat extremes the
finish has to withstand are a lot higher than what a hair
drier is capable of, IMHO.

Heck, if it's a hot, sunny day you wouldn't need the hair
drier at all.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:31:16 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

It is a '76 455 4-bbl out of a Delta 88.  I got one today though, form a
local shop.  Thanks anyway.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:35:43 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

>While we're digressing onto this thread, a non-Olds trivia quickie:  The 55
>Chevy used in Two Lane Blacktop is the same one Harrison Ford drove in
>American Graffiti.  OK, one more:  What's the significance of the license
>plate on Milner's car in American Graffiti?
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30



Okay Joe.....I give up!  I am a trivia junkie and ya got me on this
one.....so.....Tell me the answer!!!!!!



BTW Is Two Lane Blacktop available at video rental stores??

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:26:13 -0500
From: "Todd M.Williams" <todd@wvadventures.net>
Subject: Re: how do you get stickers off?

At 11:06 AM 12/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>They make this stuff called Goo-Gone. I don't know who makes it but it
>works like a charm. Comes in a little 3 or 4 oz bottle. It's yellow in
>color. Try Wal-Mart or K-mart or one of the marts. Pretty cheap too. Takes
>sticky crap off anything.
>
>Ed
>The Omega man
>2-74's
>



i use zippo lighter fluid worked great if u read the back of it u will see
that is say will remove stickers also

Todd
>
>
>
>At 09:41 AM 12/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi Listers, 
>>
>>Sounds like a stupid question: How do you get stickers off the chrome 
>>bumpers? I have two real hard ones. The surface is really firm and the 
>>glue just like concrete. They must be 20 years old. I Tried Acetone. I am 
>>sure heat will work but doesn't that put a blueish stain on the chrome? 
>>Any suggestions welcome!
>>
>>Another question regarding bumpers: Working on the rear end I found a 
>>rust hole in the right lower end of the rear bumper... is there any way 
>>to fix this or to let it be fixed??? (Don't tell me to put a STICKER on 
>>it... )
>>
>>Thanks, Regards, 
>>George
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:39:39 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: how do you get adhesive off vinyl top?

> In a slant to the bumper goo, How does one remove the remaining
> adhesive from 2 months of masking tape adhered to a vinyl top. 

Absolute longshot guess here:

1) Cover dried adhesive with wet rags to re-moisturize it. Leave in
place for several hours, a day, whatever it takes.

2) Once sticky again, try applying fresh masking tape to the area
and zipping it off again, either slowly or fast; see if it will pull
off the old adhesive with it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:49:33 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

> Not to step on anyone's toes because the K-cars saved a lot of
> peoples' jobs, but you don't have to blow up them to get rid of
> them.  They kind of self-destruct on their own.

I have often wondered what percentage of economy cars are really
crap vs. what percentage were _good_ cars that were simply destined
to be owned by people who could barely afford the _car_, let alone
what you or I would regard as routine maintenance. AAMOF, we own an
'86 Aries K wagon right now -- my wife doesn't like driving any
car bigger than that -- with a 2.5L injected four-cylinder. Real
zippy car, even with 122K on it; point-and-squirt motoring is a
joy. And when my Cutlass broke its shifter cable right in the exact
center of the garage during an oil change, guess which car I used
to race 30 miles to the only GM dealer in the area who could sell
me the part before closing time...

- -- Andy
   ('74 Vega GT Kammback)
   ('80 Chevette Scooter)
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:51:11 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: Heat Activated choke tube

Also, on this note. I've tried a gasket, the problem is the exhaust keeps
blowing the gasket out. I think the problem may be that the sealing surface
is quite true, so thats a problem that needs to be remidied.

John


> Isn't there a gasket for use between the tube plate and manifold? Seems
>I've removed one in the past and think there was one in the overhaul
>gasket kit I used on a 403. Have you tried an auto parts store? Or make
>one from sheet gasket material.
>________-
>
>There is a gasket, but it needs to be made from exhaust gasket material,
>not just regular gasket material.  The ones that come in gasket sets are of
>this heavier, asbestos-like material.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbtial.com
>
>66 442
>68 W039
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:23:38 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning Rod Shifter

sounds nice, i would like to see some pics sometime, im building a 77 442 race
car now myself, i like to be a little different from the rest. take care.
dennis                         w451973

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:31:02 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: .OLDS 455 ROCKET STICKER

you want to check with DR DECAL, he has the best available for your olds and
he is a member of our list here.
dennis
w451973 

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:32:56 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds350 vs the 350 rocket

they are the same thing.                      w451973               

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:58:29 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Poor idle/ Manifold deposit buildup

Joe Gerschutz wrote:
> 
> OK guys, I can't take this anymore.  I have passively usurped all
> this information on this as I could.  I've tried everything I can
> think of.  My car will not idle until warmed up (even then the idle
> is not great).  It will fast idle roughly then die out.  Put it in
> gear . . .stalls out.  This is a 77 350/350 combo I put in an 82 CSC.
>  I used everything off the 350 (carb, dist., etc.).  I rebuilt the
> carb (new gaskets and such) this past weekend to no avail.  I
> tightened the carb studs down to specs (or at least tried....130
> ft.lbs on the long bolts...i broke two off in the manifold!  Is 130
> right?) to try to eliminate vacuum leaks there.  I thing it may be is
> vacuum lines.  I have no idea where they all go.  They were all mixed
> up when I bought the engine.  Does anyone have a 77 350 carb
> (4bbl. Q-jet) that is willing to help me out here?  I need to know
> physical the location of the physical port on the carb and where it
> leads to, ie. front vacuum break.
>         Also while I had the carb off I noticed inside the manifold
> straight down under each primary there are holes about 1.5 cm dia.
> This were all crusted over, on side down to a hole the size of a
> pencil.  Is this important?  Is this some heat/vacuum/EGR thing, or
> is it for the intake gas mixture?  Is my whole manifold probably like
> this?
> 

130ft.lbs. is EXTREMELY too tight for a carb. I am suprised you didn't
crack the carb housing. The mounting should be 5-8ft. lbs, just slightly
more than snug.

Have you verified that your choke is functioning and adjusted? If so,
then a vacuum leak is a strong suspect. Take a can of carb cleaner and
lightly spray around the base of the carb, around the intake edges, and
all the vacuum sources. If you find a vaccum leak, the motor will rev
slightly. I would strongly suspect the carb baseplate if you torqued it
to 130ft lbs, as it is probably warped now. Also be sure to check that
your plugs/wires are all in good shape and you don't have a miss.

Your '82 should have had an electric q-jet on it. If it was idling
poorly, the electronics in the carb that control the idle are probably
shot and the carb should be rebuilt with new electronics. (Idle solenoid
I think?)

The small hole in the bottom of the intake are the EGR port. It should
not affect idle quality unless the rest of the intake and heads have the
same deposits. These deposits on the valves will greatly effect your
idle.

Do some troubleshooting and get back to us with the results. We will all
try to help.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:35:19 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Two Lane Blacktop

wasnt it something to do with george lucas first film?
dennis          w451973

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:44:39 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds quotes and crashing cars, etc.

A very good point.  I have friends who really like their H-brand cars and they
tell me how great they run and how reliable they are.  About twice a year they
get the big tune ups that include adjusting the clutch, replacing belts, and
fixing other small things and the bills often run into the hundreds of
dollars.  One of them even said "Oh yeah, I still love my Pr*lude but it cost
$650 for the last tune up".  

For that kind of money I can get my transmission rebuilt or a good start on
doing the engine.  But their cars always run smooth and never break down so
they forget about the cost and assume it's what everyone pays.

I once had a co-worker try to sell me her car.  She just loved it and it was
such a good car.  All four brakes were in good shape (they had just been
replaced) and it was a beautiful shade of blue (well it used to be a lighter
blue but that oxidized so bad they had it repainted), and it just had the
clutch worked on, and yada, yada, yada.  She really didn't seem to think that
these were unusual repairs and she was sure that a domestic car would have
required a lot more work!

I call it H*nda vision since it seems to be related to tunnel vision.

"Andrew C. Green" wrote:
> 
> I have often wondered what percentage of economy cars are really
> crap vs. what percentage were _good_ cars that were simply destined
> to be owned by people who could barely afford the _car_, let alone
> what you or I would regard as routine maintenance. AAMOF, we own an
> '86 Aries K wagon right now -- my wife doesn't like driving any
> car bigger than that -- with a 2.5L injected four-cylinder. Real
> zippy car, even with 122K on it; point-and-squirt motoring is a
> joy. And when my Cutlass broke its shifter cable right in the exact
> center of the garage during an oil change, guess which car I used
> to race 30 miles to the only GM dealer in the area who could sell
> me the part before closing time...
> 
> -- Andy
>    ('74 Vega GT Kammback)
>    ('80 Chevette Scooter)
>    (Can I pick 'em or what?  :-)
> 
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Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:51:29 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: TH 400 and the FAQ

Steve,
OA was the code for the TH 375 in 1972.   This transmission (not to be
confused with the 375 B)  was basically a decontented TH 400 with less
plates in the clutch stacks.  Look at the extension housing.  I'll wager it
has a "375" cast into it.
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve Elijah <selijah@eznet.com>
To: olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 2:31 PM
Subject: TH 400 and the FAQ


>Am I reading the faq wrong? My '72 Vista-Cruiser:  350 cid has a TH400
>transmission, marked "OA" on the side plate.  The faq (and even my owners
>manual)seems to say this couldn't be.  I am the 3rd owner of this car.   Is
>this a better transmission to have?  If this was a special order or
>something, what else would that indicate to you about the car?
>
>
>

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