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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, November 22 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1618



Re: Olds Oiling Systems SB
Re: "rear end" prepping....
Re: Igor 20
455 Buildup
Re: head heat riser
Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.
Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.
Re: 1985 Olds 442
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Re: filling heat risers
Re: 1985 Olds 442
4 oh sumthin in Trans Am
100th anniversary license plates, p.window/lock wiring
Re: Cryogenics'. Is there a metalurgist in the house?
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Re: 455 Buildup
Re: 455 Buildup
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.
Re: New Member
Re: 4 oh sumthin in Trans Am 
'49-'50 Olds?
Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?
Re: 68-72 parts located - send me a wish list.
A New Supreme Owner
Re: Heads
Re: Interior Vinyl Paint
My Nova...
hood hinge upgrade,
Re: My Nova...
(no subject)
Stick shift "W" body
Re: My Nova...
daytime running lights
Re: 1985 Olds 442
Re: 1985 Olds 442
Re: (no subject)
Re: daytime running lights
Why do you hate "C" cars?
another carb question
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Calais Clone (B**ck Somerset) for sale.
Re: another carb question
Bye.
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight
yet another carb question
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight
Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight
Pics of my 80 Olds 442
Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight
Re: yet another carb question
Re: Bye.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:21:58 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Oiling Systems SB

 << In my view, as a performance part, the only redeeming quality of a Toro
pan is the bolt on baffles. Not the pan itself. >>

Without intentionally beating an inline 6, wish to thank Greg for his
illumination on the Toro pan.

Never did understand the paranoia about scoring the Toro pan & oil pump.
Seemed to me that although Olds motors oiling apparently tends to suffer at
high RPM, this kind of RPM is realistically not achieved for more than
transient periods.

How long exactly does it take to run a 1/4 mile?
10-16 seconds?

And if you are unconvinced, get one of the Moroso 8 quart pans.
Dont got one myself, but most of the 8 quarts should be available to the oil
pump.
Much easier than taking the correct Toro oil pan from its motor.

Yet another halucination....

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:37:59 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: "rear end" prepping....

Joe "buy a cracked 455" Padavano writes;

<< As for cleaning the rear end housing, I've sandblasted mine after stripping
 out the guts.  I used duct tape to seal all the openings, had it blasted
 and powder coated.  Looked great. >>

Will prolly just media-blast instead of the proposed Redi-Strip reverse
electroplating.

Also; how common is it to have spring perches replaced?
Looks like there is enough material left there but want this sucker to LAST.

Was that the axle for the 1966 project car?

How is that coming?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:40:51 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Igor 20

OLD.  Hell, no.  Okay lets see. Got my first car at 16 ('86 Taurus 4-cyl).
Total junk, sold it when I was 17.  Asked my dad to take the '81 Delta just
sitting there.  He said "take it".  Drove that for 1.5 yrs.  Loved the car.
Light years ahead of the '86 Taurus.  Then at 19 and my second year of
Univeristy, timing chain sliped-off on the Deltas 307.  (high,high milage
and high RPMs :-)).  Said to myself, since I need to change the chain, pull
the entire motor and put new gaskets in.  Then I thought, change the
berring/oil-pump/rings, etc.  Then thought, hell, do this to a 455.  Got a
'76 Delta (455/th400), pulled the drivetrain.  Original re-ring turned into
a rebuild.  While I was doing this I needed transportation.  Got the '81
Regency from girlfriend neighbor after she got a new car.  Like this car
too, fully loaded.  The chicks dig it sometimes, big luxury and decent
looking car.  Then, girlfriends mom made her husband get rid of the old,
rusty Dodge van.  I took it for free, as the motor and the 4.10s are still
in great shape, and the guy did not want it to go to wrecking yard.  Now, my
Delta is being painted.  Total:

1981 Delta 88 w455
1981 Regency wPropane
1981 Dodge MaxiVan w360 & 4.10s
had 1976 Delta 88 for parts
had 1986 Taurus (my dad spent a fortune on new parts on this shit)
my dad has 1995 Intrepid (crap)

Hmm, I guess I got a good number of cars so far, 3 in total.  Really need a
truck, am thinking about a late '70s Chevy shortbox.  If I could talk my dad
into getting it together.  He can put new metal on the truck and have it
painted.  I supply a fresh 455 and TH400.  The Regency is a nice looking car
though, maybe keep it instead of get a truck.  It has good paint, great
engine, spotless interior.  Delta will look good when done, + the 455.  Van
looks bad but runs great, has lots of room (have a spare 455 in there now).
I still live at home, so I can afford car projects.  I wish my dad would buy
a acrage so that I have a place where to store all my junk.  I keep it at my
uncles now.  My garage at home is full of my and my dads tools, a 307,
th250, 2 rear-ends, old hood, etc.





>Jeez, Igor, I thought you were an old guy that just managed to hang onto
>some youth.  Plus most 20('s) year olds don't have 3-5 cars.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:30:28 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: 455 Buildup

Guys,
    I am planning on rebuilding my 455 in Jan/Feb of next year.  It is in my
'73 Delta.  I have ordered Joe Mondela's Tech Ref. Manual and will use that
as a basis for my rebuild.  My first question is: Did the heads have
hardened seats?  The intakes are 2 inch valves and I want to build go will
the largest recommended cam with stock valvetrain.  I really want to keep
these heads especially if they have hardened seats so different heads is
really not an option.  Is there any porting or anything else that can help
with these EGR heads?
    Second question is:  Who makes quiet mufflers that flow half way decent?
I mean stock quiet, no turbos.  I am willing to sacrifice a little power for
quiet.  It is a convertible and no need to have the wife complain about two
loud cars and loud truck!  Any help is appreciated.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:03:14 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: head heat riser

I swear I followed this one from the beggining but what is the purpose for
filling the heat risers?

>>
>> I filled my C heads with zink heated it up poured it in, cleaned the
>> excess with grinder, pulled the heads two years later and the zink was
>> gone on both heads , where ? I guess out the exhaust.   Butch  68  442
>> post
>>
Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:03:31 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.

the wiring at the regulator should be A-C, B-D reading right to left on the
reg connector then remove the reg altogether.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Arnold, W D <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
To: 'olds' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 10:29 PM
Subject: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.


>Hello again fellows,
>Last week I bought a new 70 amp alternator(internally regulated) and
>replaced the existing 27 amp alternator(externally regulated).  Rewired the
>field 12 v trigger through a ign key controlled relay. And wala, there it
>was, 13.8 volts at the battery.  "Yippee" I said as I opened a victory
drink
>( IBC rootbeer).
>
>Then I got in the car and noticed the "GEN" idiot light was on.  I know of
>one solution (unplug the silly thing) but, I was hoping that someone here
>could tell me how it should be wired so an idiot like me could have the
>idiot light and know when it's too late to do anything about the problem.
>
>Oh yeah, the light worked fine before the alt. job.
>Reason for alt. install:  I put in an elec. fan and a super-duty elec fuel
>pump and I wanted hi-amp alternator ( bigger is better, right?). Plus
taking
>that ext reg off my firewall will make it look alot less 'busy' back there.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Donny

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:32:46 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.

>Then I got in the car and noticed the "GEN" idiot light was on.  I know of
>one solution (unplug the silly thing) but, I was hoping that someone here
>could tell me how it should be wired so an idiot like me could have the
>idiot light and know when it's too late to do anything about the problem.
>Donny


Don't have a schematic for pre-74 cars, but I believe the idiot light went
to the (now missing) regulator. On internally regulated alternators it
connects to "Terminal 2" on the alt, usually with a brown wire.

The other end of the idiot bulb should be hot (12 V).

drc

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:44:42 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442

Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442


>My freinds 85 442 has the 7A heads and he bought it new in May of 1985


Very peculiar.

The 85 factory manual shows the VIN "9" motor (442's only) as being a
non-roller type with 5A heads. I also know at least one person with an '86
442 that also has 5A heads. It's my understanding that 442's started getting
7A headed motors in '87.

I'd be curious to know his VIN number.

drc

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:52:04 -0500
From: retrotek@phoenixat.com
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

Are you possibly using a dipstick from a 350. The 455 dipstick is a little
longer and if you use a 350 ds it will hardly give a reading.

We had the same problem when we swapped our 350 for a 455 and used the same
ds. Had us scratching our heads for a while.

Hope this helps.....robin

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
> 
> All this talk of poor olds oiling has me worried.  When I rebuild my budget
> 455, the oiling system stayed stock.  I installed a new Sealed-Power oil
> pump, but that is it.  It is a mild 455.  My oil reassure is no more the 60
> psi cold, 40-50 psi warm idle.  I am worried now.  If I check the oil after
> I shut down the motor (right after), there is little in the pan.  Obviously
> it can't be full right away, but it has me worried.  What about the stock
> W-30 or W-31 motors and others.  I know some lasted a long time, and still
> went okay.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:28:04 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: filling heat risers

Donny,
 [please don't call me Mr.] Remember that Dave Smith told me that
filling the heat risers, COMBINED with cutting the header side of the
head back to make the center divider flush is worth 40 horse on a 455. I
don't know what the heat riser filling alone is worth.
 I've had several engines apart after pouring the heat risers with
melted cast pistons, and none of the aluminum has even started to "go
away".
 FYI on engines with an iron intake i've inserted a section of 1/2"
electrical conduit into one of the riser ports, letting it stick up out
of the valve bowl. This allows a little heat from one cylinder only to
reach the intake. You have to do a bit of grinding on the intake side to
"find" the end of the conduit, but it works. 
 
 On the flange subject, i think cutting the head is better than other
methods of making the center divider flush [welding/brazing]. You need
to cut around .175" off the head to make the divider flush. This also
raises the port exit a bit[to help flow], as the exhaust port is heading
down hill. The only bad thing about cutting the exhaust side back is the
header will need modified to fit. The easiest fix is slotting the bolt
holes to raise the header to match the new, higher port exit location.
 
 While you're at it, you could raise the roof 1/8"+, and grind the bumps
out of the roof[incorrectly called E.G.R. bumps by Mondello]....

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass 11.41@119.96 
poured heat risers and header side of the head cut .175"
  
> 
> 40 HP is alot more than 16 HP mondello tech told me.  If we avg the 2, 
>we're still looking at 29 HP gain.  I'm thinking it's worth it.  How >long 
has it been since you filled your heads?  And have you checked >them since?
> I am absolutely gonna stay away from that zinc-alum alloy since Butch >sent. 
I think I'm gonna side with Mr. Brode here and get some good use >out of some 
previously unusable scored pistons.  Since pistons don't >usually burn 
through, they would make a very good candidate for filling >heat risers. 
> Thanks for all the help.
> Donny
> 
> >
> >  Dave Smith told me that this combined cutting the exhaust side back
> > until the center divider is flush is worth 40 horse on a 455.
> >  The best part is it gets rid of the "bub, bub, bub" exhaust sound.
> > Dave Brode
> >  64 Cutlass
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:36:38 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442

It was posted twice, hopfully by error.

>
>
>What the heck does that mean ? Is this the best answer you have, thanks 
but
>no thanks, I was hoping for a more educated response
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 1:29 AM
>Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442
>
>
>>
>>
>>Once is enough thank you!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>Does anybody know how many 1985 Olds 442 were made in the White /
>>Silver =
>>>color combo, or how many were made with the 5A heads instead of the 
7A
>>=
>>>heads, Thanks=20
>>>
>>>  Steve C
>>>
>>
>>
>>______________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>


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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:45:19 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: 4 oh sumthin in Trans Am

My friend's coworker has a 1980 T/A.  He wants to go Ch*vy powered and
will sell me his engine, a "4 oh something P*ntiac" for $200 with
transmission. (score!)  If this is an Olds it's gonna be mine.  I just
can't find Olds 403 specs on any Poncho related pages. Can anyone please
tell me what to expect internally, such as forged or cast pistons, rods
or crank?  I suspect the Firebird may have been more likely to have the
good stuff than a fullsize Olds since it's a "performance" application.
Also, would the exhaust manifolds fit?  He says the car runs well in
neutral but has no power or power brakes.             Thanks much,
Jeff Carter
68 442
blue442@webtv.net  

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:00:09 -0400
From: "Brian Smith" <smithclan@sprint.ca>
Subject: 100th anniversary license plates, p.window/lock wiring

Fellow Olds Enthusiasts:

Does anyone know where I could obtain one of the 100th anniversary license
plates I saw in Lansing last year?  The one I am looking for is " Our 100th
Year". I may have heard it was given to the GM dealers and probably is next
to impossible to obtain. Any info would be appreciated.
Secondly, I am putting power door locks in my 71 Supreme and do not have a
wiring harness. As these are relatively rare, I was going to use a wiring
harness off a newer B,C, or G Body, but  would need the old oval plastic
terminal connectors. Does anyone have these white plastic terminals off a
power window harness that they would be willing to part with including a
foot or so of the wiring harness itself?

Please E-Mail me privately

Thanks, Brian
1971 Cutlass Supreme SX

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:41:48 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Cryogenics'. Is there a metalurgist in the house?

Well of what I have heard and read that it would be worth putting the
cryogenic bearings in.  They will last 3times longer than normal bearings.
The are better than tri-metal bearings. I would do it. If you have it apart
you might as well do it right and do it once.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------

> 
>  Well that's pretty much my question too, Just how much better are these
> cryo treated bearings?
>  I don't mean to drag this post out but I have a engine I'm rebuilding
> and getting liquid nitrogen is no prob (read free ;-)) Anyway are these
> bearings just for extreem measures like a drag race engine or is it
> worth the mess for a "daily" driver. Scott

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:38:46 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

In a message dated 98-11-22 09:48:21 EST, you write:

<< > All this talk of poor olds oiling has me worried.  When I rebuild my
budget
 > 455, the oiling system stayed stock.  I installed a new Sealed-Power oil
 > pump, but that is it.  It is a mild 455.  My oil reassure is no more the 60
 > psi cold, 40-50 psi warm idle.  I am worried now.  If I check the oil after
 > I shut down the motor (right after), there is little in the pan.  Obviously
 > it can't be full right away, but it has me worried.  >>

Do not worry!

It's fine!

There is little in the pan because it is in the rest of your motor!

Be concerned if the 5 quarts stay in the pan!

And: geez! how high did you want your oil pressure to be?

SOm
&KA

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:45:04 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Buildup

If the motor is an original motor than it did have hardened seats with that
year of heads. If the heads are EGR they can hurt the flow and power
output. I say remove the EGR IF YOU CAN. It all depends what the state laws
require you to have for that year of car. Here in Illinois if you have
Antique Plates than you have no emission test.  
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Jim & Sharon Brady <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 455 Buildup
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 7:30 AM
> 
> Guys,
>     I am planning on rebuilding my 455 in Jan/Feb of next year.  It is in
my
> '73 Delta.  I have ordered Joe Mondela's Tech Ref. Manual and will use
that
> as a basis for my rebuild.  My first question is: Did the heads have
> hardened seats?  The intakes are 2 inch valves and I want to build go
will
> the largest recommended cam with stock valvetrain.  I really want to keep
> these heads especially if they have hardened seats so different heads is
> really not an option.  Is there any porting or anything else that can
help
> with these EGR heads?
>     Second question is:  Who makes quiet mufflers that flow half way
decent?
> I mean stock quiet, no turbos.  I am willing to sacrifice a little power
for
> quiet.  It is a convertible and no need to have the wife complain about
two
> loud cars and loud truck!  Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Jim Brady
> 1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
> bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:38:00 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Buildup

I run J heads.  All you have to do is port & polish the exhaust runners and
open up the exhaust valve a bit.  Yes they have hardened seats.  As far as
stock valvetrain, many people recommend no more then .500 lift cams.  I have
the 204/214 @.050, .448/.472 cam in my 455 (lunati, Edelbrock, GK., generic
grind).  I would recommend this cam if you are going with stock torque
converter and stock rear gears (2.56).  If I were you though, get the one
size up cam (214/224 @ .050, .472/.496 lift), get a 12-inch converter
(cheap) and a set of 3.08s or 3.23s.  Also, make sure you run HEADERS.
Them, combined with full-length Dynomax SuperTurbo mufflers will make the
car pretty quiet.  I know you want quiet, but some rumble is nice.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:40:15 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

Dipstick is a 455 (chrome unit).  It was too long and was scraping against
the crank.  I had to shorten it a bit and now it is fine.  When the motor is
cool, oil reading is right on.  The only problem is that the oil is so
clean, that I can barley see anything, have to touch-test.  Igor.


- -----Original Message-----
From: retrotek@phoenixat.com <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 22, 1998 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system


>Are you possibly using a dipstick from a 350. The 455 dipstick is a little
>longer and if you use a 350 ds it will hardly give a reading.
>
>We had the same problem when we swapped our 350 for a 455 and used the same
>ds. Had us scratching our heads for a while.
>
>Hope this helps.....robin
>
>Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
>>
>> All this talk of poor olds oiling has me worried.  When I rebuild my
budget
>> 455, the oiling system stayed stock.  I installed a new Sealed-Power oil
>> pump, but that is it.  It is a mild 455.  My oil reassure is no more the
60
>> psi cold, 40-50 psi warm idle.  I am worried now.  If I check the oil
after
>> I shut down the motor (right after), there is little in the pan.
Obviously
>> it can't be full right away, but it has me worried.  What about the stock
>> W-30 or W-31 motors and others.  I know some lasted a long time, and
still
>> went okay.
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:43:00 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

I did not want the pressure too high.  Like I said before, the only other
motor I had experience with oil pressure was the 307.  That thing had super
high mileage (well over 200,000 I think).  Ran great but warm oil pressure
was like 10-15 psi.  This thing is way higher.  I am thinking maybe they
gave me a high-pressure pump.


- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAune@aol.com <KarlAune@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 22, 1998 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system


>In a message dated 98-11-22 09:48:21 EST, you write:
>
><< > All this talk of poor olds oiling has me worried.  When I rebuild my
>budget
> > 455, the oiling system stayed stock.  I installed a new Sealed-Power oil
> > pump, but that is it.  It is a mild 455.  My oil reassure is no more the
60
> > psi cold, 40-50 psi warm idle.  I am worried now.  If I check the oil
after
> > I shut down the motor (right after), there is little in the pan.
Obviously
> > it can't be full right away, but it has me worried.  >>
>
>Do not worry!
>
>It's fine!
>
>There is little in the pan because it is in the rest of your motor!
>
>Be concerned if the 5 quarts stay in the pan!
>
>And: geez! how high did you want your oil pressure to be?
>
>SOm
>&KA
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:21:29 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Alternator swap from Ext regulator to Int reg.

>Then I got in the car and noticed the "GEN" idiot light was on.  I know of
>one solution (unplug the silly thing) but, I was hoping that someone here
>could tell me how it should be wired so an idiot like me could have the
>idiot light and know when it's too late to do anything about the problem.
>

I completly removed the old regulator and jumped the field terminal on the
alternator
 directly to the BAT terminal (thanks "list member whos name I've forgoten"). 
With this set-up the idiot light comes on with the ignition on and the engine 
not running and off when the engine is running. 

>( bigger is better, right?).

 Yes. There are some high output  ones that actually put out les at idle
than a stock one 
and will make the idiot light flicker, but put out 100-105 amps at higher
than idle speeds

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:22:58 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: New Member

> Anyway, I just 
>wanted to say "hi" and introduce myself. 
>    -Doug Pack
>

wellcome to to the world of Oldsmobiles.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:39:36 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 4 oh sumthin in Trans Am 

At 11:45 AM 11/22/98 -0600, you wrote: 
>
> My friend's coworker has a 1980 T/A.  He wants to go Ch*vy powered and
> will sell me his engine, a "4 oh something P*ntiac" for $200 with
> transmission. (score!)  If this is an Olds it's gonna be mine.  I just
> can't find Olds 403 specs on any Poncho related pages. Can anyone please
> tell me what to expect internally, such as forged or cast pistons, rods
> or crank?  


IT will have cast pistons and crank. the 403  is really a better engine 
than most people give is credit for. The absoluty stock '78 403  gave 
me a 16 second time slip in my '66 Vista Cruiser.Most people think 
16 is SLOW but it is a tank after all :)

Anyways if it is an Olds, it will be blue and have a front mounted 
oil fill tube. It will have the firing order on the intake manifold and have
#4A
heads. 1980 T/A's didn't officially have the 403 in it, but if it was an early
production '80 it might have one.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:59:00 -0700
From: william goodnight <idaholc@primenet.com>
Subject: '49-'50 Olds?

Anyone know anyone in Yuma, So. Arizona area that is into 49-50 Olds?  I am
planning visit there and would like to exchange BS, parts, advice, etc.
Also anyone know of any Arizona, California OCA events in December?

  
Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
1014 E. Franklin
Boise, Idaho
(208)345-0158

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:15:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?

  You are absolutely correct.  My father recently stripped his 1980
Ch*vy Impaler down to bare metal to repaint it(spray paint job,
nothin' fancy).  There was some body filler on there even though there
was never any body work done on in before.  Also, on my 1970 Cutlass
there was some body filler on the hood and on a few spots on the
sides.  It was a 100% original car, so the body filler was factory. 
There is nothing wrong with it, as long as it's done right.  I don't
know if it's Bondo brand, but it's there on all cars (most in small
quantities to smooth minor blemishes).  That's all.

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe (coming home from bod                  
               shop on Tues!!! 8^)



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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:26:57 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68-72 parts located - send me a wish list.

In a message dated 98-11-21 00:34:30 EST, you write:

>From:	RONS69OLDS@aol.com
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Reply-to:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>I need some good grillsand some various chrome around the side glass since
>mine is a sport coupe (two door post.    Thank you
>
>

i have some 69 cutlass-s (2 door post) , what chrome did you need?  please
reply privately,  steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:02:00 -0500
From: "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: A New Supreme Owner

I just purchased a 72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.  Ihave two questions.

1) Where exactly does the Tire pressure decal go?  Exact dimensions
would be nice. Also where does the "Keep your GM All GM" air cleaner
decal go on the air cleaner?  It's a 4 BBL Carb with a 350.

2) What type of Tires were usually put on these cars?  I have the Super
Stock Wheels. I have the 1972 Olds Sales brochure and all they show is
the standard white wall tires and don't list any options. I've seen a
lot at car shows with Good Year Eagle ST with raised letters. Thats what
on mine now and they need replacing.  It looks great but are they
original ?

3) I also have M/T valve covers on it and was considering putting the
originals back on but after reading all the horror stories about oil
leaks I'm thinking twice about it.  The engine is super clean and dry
now.  Should I leave well enough alone?`

Any comments would be helpful.

An Olds Lover

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:15:15 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heads

In a message dated 98-11-20 16:49:23 EST, you write:

<< above-mentioned 68-69 W-30s and H/Os.  (Yes, I know about the C-head A/C 68
 >H/Os)
 >
 >Joe Padavano
 >padavano.joe@orbital.com
 >
 
 
 Do you believe that Joe?  Of all the people on this list I hold your engine
 knowledge to the highest regard.  I think the C head H/O's were a rumor
 started by the same guy who bought the Corvette parked in a barn from the
 old lady who took out the ad in the paper after her son died in the war.
 Remember the different versions of the   "For Sale  63 Chev, in storage
 $50.00" stories!!!
 
 I bet we have all heard this story!!
 
 Tony >>

Tony

I know the person that owns the original 68 H/O that was used to tow the
factory backed 68 H/O race car. He himself was backed by Olds factory funds in
the 60's and early 70's and delt with Dale Smith (Olds #1 guy in charge of
factory $$ for sponsorships). This car is a documented original and due to
being an A/C equipped
vehicle had the "C" head 455 installed rather than the W-30 "D" castings.
Can't vouch for the "63 chebby" story but can attest to the 60 H/O A/C cars w/
A/C.

Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:48:31 -0600
From: "craig g broussard" <ABROUSSARD@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Interior Vinyl Paint

688 Auto Parts
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 1:34 AM
Subject: Interior Vinyl Paint


>Does anyone know where s a good place to get interioir vinyl spray paint? I
>know Year One sells it but they are quite expensive...
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:18:11 PST
From: "Doug Pack" <dougs_nova@hotmail.com>
Subject: My Nova...

Thanks man. I appriciate your welcome. My Nova has a 305 2bbl.
The car is ALL original. It would be cool to stick a 455 in a
"Disco Nova". I would like to take one and drop a BB Chevy 502
with a throttle Bodied fuel injection. That way I could get the
performance and still pass emmissions. As far as the 455 goes, I
would like to drop one of those in a Omega. Does anyone on this
list have an Omega? Also, what is this Che#@ thing I'm seeing?
By the way, to read more about my Nova, check out:
 http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/albert/71/nova/nova.html
If you have a site about your car let me know. I love reading about
other's cars. Anyway, talk to you later.
   -Doug

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:53:13 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: hood hinge upgrade,

Has anyone ever swapped out the lame hood springs on a g-body for newer
gas-type ones?  Does one have to know moment arm force specs or something of
the sort if he'd like to switch to that kind of hinge?  Thanks.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:55:56 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: My Nova...

Nice looking Nova.  Although the 502 would be a nice motor, it is also a
not-so-nice price.  If your 305 is in good shape, swap on a 4-bbl carb,
headers and good dual exhaust.  That should be a good start.  As for the
@#$% symbols, that is just people expressing their dislike for Chevy.  Chevy
is a bad word here, so people use these symbols to mellow it out.  I don't
have site yet, but as soon as my Delta is done (painted), I will put it on
the web.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:25:14 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

Well two questions that were fairly important to me (2 different posts) have
been completely ignored by this list.  I wanted to try avoiding signing on to
too many different lists but it looks like I'm going to have to.  

But you know.....let's keep the Nova talk going......

Ryan<---------off to find the other Olds list

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:27:56 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Stick shift "W" body

              I have a 90 Cutlass Supreme. I would like to know if a stick
shift trans was an option on the early w bodies. What i would like to do is
see if i can find the connector for the clutch to use that as a kill switch
feed. If anyone has one or access to a shop manual, i'd like to know what  the
wiring colors would be.   I had a Aerostar van that was an automatic but i
found the connector for the clutch pedal safety switch.  I was wondering if i
could do the same thing with the w body. Or plan B is to put a toggle switch
in-line from the "crank" fuse.    I know i could just use the yellow wire from
the steering column, but i would prefer to not cut into the factory wiring.
Also, is the power seat switch for this car on the seat itself or is it
mounted on the door panel?..........Thanks.....Scott

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:33:24 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: My Nova...

Hey doug, nice little car ya got there....Drop a 455 in there and maybe
we'll let you stay on the list....Believe me, I wish the interior on my
67 Cutlass looked like that. By the way, is that an 85 mph speedo?

Art

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:35:02 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: daytime running lights

Anybody know how to wire for low power daytime running ligts? Do they sell a
module or something for Non-computerized cars? If not, is there some sort of
jury-rig way (with resistors or such) to make this work? Sure would appreciate
the electrical know how of the list.
Tia
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:46:55 -0500
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442

From what I understand mid way through 1985 is when they switched over to
the 7Aat least in some of them. Even the 1987 442 is a vin 9 as is my
freinds 1985. The reason I asked these questions is because I know the 1985
442 is the lowest production 442 ever made and I wanted to know how many
came in the White/Silver color combo, I do not see many in this combo most
are black/silver or burgandy/silver etc. Is there a way I could find out
just how many in 1985 came this way or am I asking for way to much. If you
or anybody else knows thank you very much if you do not thank you just the
same for responding


Steve C
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442


>Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442
>
>
>>My freinds 85 442 has the 7A heads and he bought it new in May of 1985
>
>
>Very peculiar.
>
>The 85 factory manual shows the VIN "9" motor (442's only) as being a
>non-roller type with 5A heads. I also know at least one person with an '86
>442 that also has 5A heads. It's my understanding that 442's started
getting
>7A headed motors in '87.
>
>I'd be curious to know his VIN number.
>
>drc
>
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:48:00 -0500
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442

It was by error, sorry for that
- -----Original Message-----
From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442


>It was posted twice, hopfully by error.
>
>>
>>
>>What the heck does that mean ? Is this the best answer you have, thanks 
>but
>>no thanks, I was hoping for a more educated response
>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 1:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: 1985 Olds 442
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Once is enough thank you!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does anybody know how many 1985 Olds 442 were made in the White /
>>>Silver =
>>>>color combo, or how many were made with the 5A heads instead of the 
>7A
>>>=
>>>>heads, Thanks=20
>>>>
>>>>  Steve C
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:49:43 -0500
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

What is the questions maybe I can help
- -----Original Message-----
From: MFATZII@aol.com <MFATZII@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 7:42 PM
Subject: (no subject)


>Well two questions that were fairly important to me (2 different posts)
have
>been completely ignored by this list.  I wanted to try avoiding signing on
to
>too many different lists but it looks like I'm going to have to.
>
>But you know.....let's keep the Nova talk going......
>
>Ryan<---------off to find the other Olds list

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:56:50 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: daytime running lights

I don't have any idea how to wire these, but I believe that GM makes (or
made) a retro-fit kit for any and all GM cars to have these.  I have
seem them in the enthusiast magazines.  the manufacturers would be crazy
not to include instructions with something like this.
Hope this helps,
Brian.

JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Anybody know how to wire for low power daytime running ligts? Do they sell a
> module or something for Non-computerized cars? If not, is there some sort of
> jury-rig way (with resistors or such) to make this work? Sure would 
appreciate
> the electrical know how of the list.
> Tia
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:27:22 PST
From: "Doug Pack" <dougs_nova@hotmail.com>
Subject: Why do you hate "C" cars?

Dear Yall,
    Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? I could see
why some big headed Vette and Chevelle owners might turn you off,
but whenever someone mentions an Olds on the Nova mailing list,
postive remarks are all you hear. There is one guy on there that
has a '67 F-85 and he said he loves his. If yall hate Chevy people,
I guess I'll just stick with the Nova list. Anyway, I was just
curious. 
   -Doug

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:22:32 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: another carb question

Hi all,
I know I have just about beaten this to death, but I am going to try one
more thing before I just give up and sell the car.  I would like to know
how much trouble (and the steps I would have to take) to switch my 86
Cutlass Supreme's 307 (Y) Q-jet to a more credible carburetor.  My
rebuild attempt ended in a second death for a junkyard carb.  I am not
interested in high performance for this car, but I am sick of 9-11 mpg
and that friggin orange check engine light.  Given the behavior of the
car, and the intense hiss I heard when I got on it against a curb, I am
going to change the catalytic converter in hopes that it will help and
keep me from changing the carb.  I could just go to the local Pep Boys
and get an Edelbrock, but I need to know how to make the conversion and
even more importantly, what are some of the better, yet less expensive
carbs that would work on this car?  What CFM is recommended to hold the
performance about the same, if not maybe a *little* spicier?  Don't want
too many tickets, ya know.
Thanks,
Brian.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:24:28 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

In a message dated 11/22/98 7:19:37 PM Central Standard Time,
dougs_nova@hotmail.com writes:

<< If yall hate Chevy people,
 I guess I'll just stick with the Nova list. Anyway, I was just
 curious. 
    -Doug >>


Chevy's are my second choice and I love many different models...Impala SS,
Chevelle SS, Corvette anniversary editions......I wasn't trying to dog on the
chevy contented mails.....just frustrated with olds related questions not
answered......maybe my questions are dumb........

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:38:38 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

I don't hate che&y's (have 79 monte carlo 305 edelbrock 600)we (most of us)
just love olds more like me i have owned 5(still own 1)cutalsses

Dino 
69 cutlass	
79 monte

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:53:49 -0500
From: Gary Standiford <phred@fwi.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

Doug Pack wrote:
> 
> Dear Yall,
>     Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? 
<snip>
> I guess I'll just stick with the Nova list. Anyway, I was just
> curious.
>    -Doug
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

hey Doug,

not everyone here hates Chevy's. as for myself, i like any car that
goes fast. American made, that is :)

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:52:40 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

At 03:27 PM 11/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear Yall,
>    Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? I could see
>why some big headed Vette and Chevelle owners might turn you off,
>but whenever someone mentions an Olds on the Nova mailing list,
>postive remarks are all you hear. 

Mostly just sick of hearing about them.
Chevrolet is at best a mediocre car, It is less 
reliable than the other GM lines. The only thing 
they have going for them is the aftermarket support.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:08:13 -0500
From: retrotek@phoenixat.com
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

Actually these 455's are notorious for bad oiling in the bottom end where it
really counts (crank, bearings, etc.) Mondello actually reccomends plugging
certain oil galleries to help keep it down there and not all in the top end. A
6 quart oil pan may not be a bad idea if it's a high performance application
and you want to be assured the bottom end is getting it's due.

.....robin


> Do not worry!
> 
> It's fine!
> 
> There is little in the pan because it is in the rest of your motor!
> 
> Be concerned if the 5 quarts stay in the pan!
> 
> And: geez! how high did you want your oil pressure to be?
> 
> SOm
> &KA

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:04:33 EST
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: Calais Clone (B**ck Somerset) for sale.

1987 model.  Good shape inside & out.  No rust, no rips, no dents.  New tires,
alternator, brakes, brake discs, and ECM.  2.5L-4cyl...so you can guess what's
wrong with it.  Right.  Cracked head.  Also needs a battery.  Would make a
great car for someone with the time and know-how to fix.  First $500 firm cash
takes it.  Located in Hays, Kansas.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:02:46 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: another carb question

At 08:22 PM 11/22/98 -0200, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I know I have just about beaten this to death, but I am going to try one
>more thing before I just give up and sell the car.  I would like to know
>how much trouble (and the steps I would have to take) to switch my 86
>Cutlass Supreme's 307 (Y) Q-jet to a more credible carburetor.  My
>rebuild attempt ended in a second death for a junkyard carb.  I am not
>interested in high performance for this car, but I am sick of 9-11 mpg
>and that friggin orange check engine light.  Given the behavior of the
>car, and the intense hiss I heard when I got on it against a curb

that "Hiss" is pretty common, espesially with a open air cleaner.
If you go with a Edel/AFB you will need a adapter to fit the sqarebore 
carb on your spead bore manifold. get the thinest one you can for
hood clearance. Definatly go with a 600 CFM electric choke model
(550 if you can find one). the linkage is the same on the older cars 
but you might want to pick up a set Trans-Adapt  throttle  cable and 
tranny cable brackets.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:11:43 PST
From: "Doug Pack" <dougs_nova@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bye.

Hey yall. When I asked why yall downed Chevy's I recieved this:

>Doug,
>You'll find names like Ch*vy and Pont*ac etc. as our list is 
>strictly Oldsmobile. We don't really want discussion about other
>than Olds on it. Don't mean to hurt your feelings but we feel any
>cars other than Oldsmobile are sub-standard. Sorry.

Not talking about anything but Oldsmobiles is fine for a Olds
mailing list, but to say that all others are inferior?? I 
really appriciate all of you who welcomed me, but if this is the
way Olds owners feel, I don't want to be associated with it in
any way. When I get out of on my own, screw the 442, I'll take
a Bow Tie.
   -Doug

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:33:36 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

Bob Blanchard wrote:
> 
> At 03:27 PM 11/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >Dear Yall,
> >    Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? 

> Mostly just sick of hearing about them.
> Chevrolet is at best a mediocre car, It is less
> reliable than the other GM lines. The only thing
> they have going for them is the aftermarket support.

I think the last reason is the one that bothers most people owning Olds,
Pontiac or Buicks.  Kind of like the rest of us owning unwanted children
compared to the Chevs.  You will find, however, that most people on this
list own cars/trucks of many different makes.  It's just that our main
interest lies in the Merry World of Oldsmobiles.  I, for example, own 4
Oldsmobiles, 3 Thunderbirds, 2 RX 7s, 5 Lincolns, 1 Firebird, 1 Buick
Gran Sport and a BMW.  Hopefully I will be down to 7-9 cars before the
end of the year, as I am currently trying to purge (hopefully by
selling) several of them.  Trying to sell 2 Thunderbirds, 4 Lincolns, a
72 Cutlass S and I'm going to part out one of the RX 7s.  But, I have to
admit I like a LOT of the muscle cars from the 60s andearly 70s. 
Probably goes back to the fact I was 16 years old in 1964 and grew up
during the horsepower explosion without being able to buy all of the
fast rides that I liked.  So now I'm trying to make up for it.  As for
me, I like the three GM orphans, Olds, Pontiac and Buick intermediates
best of all, but I do like a FEW Chevs.  I just like driving a car that
you don't see everywhere, even back when they were new. I just wish more
parts were available for them.  Guess you can't have everything.  One
thing you should remember also, is that a lot of the Chevy bashing is
done with a "tongue in cheek" attitude.  It's a bit like having a
brother that you just love to aggravate.  If you want to look at it from
the pure "other than Chev" side, it was awfully nice for GM to give us
so many parts cars for a lot of interchangable pieces.  :)

No flames intended or wanted.  Just observations from 40+ years of
messing with cars........  And yes, my father got me started in all this
so I was brought up right.  Now I think he is of the opinion that I went
a little overboard, but that's the way it goes I guess.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:34:22 EST
From: KASOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight

I am puting upper control arm bushings and ball joints in my 1970 442.  I
figured since I have the front end this far apart I should also replace the
springs and the lower control arm bushings (even thought they don't apear to
be bad).  My problem is my car originaly came with a 455 in it, but it
currently has a 350 in it.  I like the way the car sits with the current
springs and engine weight.  Does a 455 weigh much more than a 350?   If I put
new springs in this car will the front end sit too high since there is only a
350 in the car?

Thanks for the advice
Keith

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:32:04 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: yet another carb question

Thanks, but what do I do with the two sets of extra wires that will be
left from the q-jet?  Am I to assume that the new carb will take care of
itself and the car's computer will just accept it without problems or do
I have to trick it somehow?  Also, (I've asked this before and will do
the same on the G-Body list) what about a known-to-be-perfect q-jet
transplant from a donor g-body Monte Carlo?  I just found one of those
about half hour ago and am interested, if it is feasible.
Thanks again,
Brian.

Bob Blanchard wrote:
> 
> At 08:22 PM 11/22/98 -0200, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >I know I have just about beaten this to death, but I am going to try one
> >more thing before I just give up and sell the car.  I would like to know
> >how much trouble (and the steps I would have to take) to switch my 86
> >Cutlass Supreme's 307 (Y) Q-jet to a more credible carburetor.  My
> >rebuild attempt ended in a second death for a junkyard carb.  I am not
> >interested in high performance for this car, but I am sick of 9-11 mpg
> >and that friggin orange check engine light.  Given the behavior of the
> >car, and the intense hiss I heard when I got on it against a curb
> 
> that "Hiss" is pretty common, espesially with a open air cleaner.
> If you go with a Edel/AFB you will need a adapter to fit the sqarebore
> carb on your spead bore manifold. get the thinest one you can for
> hood clearance. Definatly go with a 600 CFM electric choke model
> (550 if you can find one). the linkage is the same on the older cars
> but you might want to pick up a set Trans-Adapt  throttle  cable and
> tranny cable brackets.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:39:20 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

Like other people said, most of us appreciate fast, domestic cars.  However,
you have to understand most of these people.  Most magazines, TV shows,
etc.., all talk about Chevy.  Catalogs, performance examples, etc.., are all
made using SB Chevy.  As mentioned, Chevys are not the most reliable or the
best GM cars at all.  It is just that their low price and large production
numbers favored them in the past, and now with an extensive (and low, low
priced) aftermarket parts availability, they are as common and popular as
ever.  Us Olds owner feel neglected, when we can smoke almost any Chevy
given of course that engine/car modifications are similar.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Doug Pack <dougs_nova@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 22, 1998 6:19 PM
Subject: Why do you hate "C" cars?


>Dear Yall,
>    Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? I could see
>why some big headed Vette and Chevelle owners might turn you off,
>but whenever someone mentions an Olds on the Nova mailing list,
>postive remarks are all you hear. There is one guy on there that
>has a '67 F-85 and he said he loves his. If yall hate Chevy people,
>I guess I'll just stick with the Nova list. Anyway, I was just
>curious.
>   -Doug
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:37:36 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight

  Does a 455 weigh much more than a 350?   If I put
>new springs in this car will the front end sit too high since there is only a
>350 in the car?
>
>
I think there is only 100-200 lb's difference

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:49:59 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight

Keith,

You have to keep in mind that your springs have been sagging for nearly
30 years so replacing the old springs with stock replacement ones will
likely raise the front of the car at least an inch.  The weight difference
between the 455 and 350 isn't much but order the springs for what the
car has in it.  The wieght difference will be more pronounced if you have
switched to an aluminum intake or removed any other factory parts.  Your
best bet is to replace all 4 springs at once to keep the correct stance.
You can also adjust the ride height by cutting the coils for minor
adjustment
but its better to get the right springs to begin with.  There are several
companies like PST, Hotchkis, and Performance Suspension Components
that sell performance as well as stock springs just give them a call after
you
measure where the car sits and see if they have what you want.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

I like the way the car sits with the current
>springs and engine weight.  Does a 455 weigh much more than a 350?   If I
put
>new springs in this car will the front end sit too high since there is only
a
>350 in the car?
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:57:03 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Pics of my 80 Olds 442

Over the past year or so I have had requests to see some pictures of my 80
Olds 442 W-30.  I finally got most of my pictures scanned in. I know the
quality isn't great and I just currently have then in index form.  I am
still learning the webpage building thing.  This is the car I am trying to
get rid of :-) Pictures are at:
http://home.neo.lrun.com/jlabay/80Olds442/

Jason Labay (jlabay@neo.rr.com) Akron, Ohio
98 C2500...daily driver
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car
72 Cutlass Supreme...bowtie powered 10.88 @ 126
88 GTA....LS1 powered

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:19:06 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight

Keith,

I went the other way (455 to 350) after the big block had 140,000 miles on it
and I had a 350 to drop in.  The car did raise up some, and it also took out
almost all the shims in the front end to get it close to alignment specs, and
still wasn't actually right on the money.  There is enough difference in the
springs to change the ride height which will actually change the alignment, so
it's a good idea to have the camber/caster checked after changing springs.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
ks7racing@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:19:40 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: yet another carb question

>Thanks, but what do I do with the two sets of extra wires that will be 
>left from the q-jet? 

These wires control primary metering. Your computer takes data from the oxy
sensor
and enrichens/leans the mixture in the carb via a mixture control
(MC)soleniod. the other 
set of wires tell the computer the throtle position via the throttle
position sensor (TPS)
(and the computer uses this data to operate the same soleniod) At warm temp 
idle and cruse the computer only take data from the oxy sensor (closed loop) 
and during accel/decell the computer takes data from the throttle position
sensor 
and ignores the oxy sensor(open loop).

wheew that was long winded :)

so to use the aftermarket carb you can do 1 of 3 things
1: cut the wires of at the firewall and ignore the light
2: short the ECM test terminals and keep it in test mode  (not recomended)
3: tune the carb as close to 14.7:1 air fuel as possible so you don't get a 
oxy sensor error code. Mount the Q-jet TPS in a way that the aftermarket carb
throttle arm moves it. and the last part is to mount the coil part of the MC 
solenoid somewhere(small box hidden somewhere) so that it will supply the 
corect resistanse. This third option keeps the system intact but
nuetralizes it.
It will cycle normaly through open/closed loop and store no error codes 
(keeping those damn idiot lights from lighting), it will also keep your ECM 
controlled distributor advance tied to the carburator TPS

> what about a known-to-be-perfect q-jet
>transplant from a donor g-body Monte Carlo?  I just found one of those
>about half hour ago and am interested, if it is feasible.
>Thanks again,
>Brian.
>
>
A replacment electric Q-jet is definatly the better/easier route.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:28:01 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bye.

Well it's your right, see ya!!
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Doug Pack <dougs_nova@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Bye.
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 8:11 PM
> 
> Hey yall. When I asked why yall downed Chevy's I recieved this:
> 
> >Doug,
> >You'll find names like Ch*vy and Pont*ac etc. as our list is 
> >strictly Oldsmobile. We don't really want discussion about other
> >than Olds on it. Don't mean to hurt your feelings but we feel any
> >cars other than Oldsmobile are sub-standard. Sorry.
> 
> Not talking about anything but Oldsmobiles is fine for a Olds
> mailing list, but to say that all others are inferior?? I 
> really appriciate all of you who welcomed me, but if this is the
> way Olds owners feel, I don't want to be associated with it in
> any way. When I get out of on my own, screw the 442, I'll take
> a Bow Tie.
>    -Doug
> 
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