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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, January 3 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1697



OL4B Intake And HEI Clearance
Re: 98 tire sizes
RE: Tire size
Re: adds on the list
Hi everyone!
RE weather
Adds on the list
Re: Hi everyone!
W27 cover on Ebay
bad-a$$ chevelle f/s on Ebay
My New Carb
Re: RE weather
Gear Vendors overdrive
Re: RE weather
RE: bad-a$$ chevelle f/s on Ebay
aerochamber mufflers?
Re: RE weather
RE: RE weather
Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?
Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts
Re: adds on the list
take this seriously?
cam
Re: Car for sale
Re: RE weather
RE: RE weather
Weather - near blizzard conditions
Re: [Re: RE weather]
SV: RE weather
Re: 66 wiper wiring
Re: RE weather
page
Need help with piston rings
Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather
Re: adds posted to the list
RE: Top Speeds
Re: Gear Vendors overdrive
Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts
Re: Need help with piston rings
Re: parts for sale Q
Re: Need help with piston rings
Re: Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia)
Re: adds posted to the list
Re: Top Speeds
Re: RE weather
Re: ads posted to the list
RE: Weather
Re: RE weather
Re: [Re: RE weather]
Re: Top Speeds
anyone have a 4-speed for sale?
Olds transport LA to San Antonio
Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?
Re: RE weather
Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?
Re: Top Speeds
Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?
check this out!
RE: check this out!
Suspension on 1991 Olds "88" (fwd)
Re: RE weather

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:07:24 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: OL4B Intake And HEI Clearance

Thomas,

I can say for sure how much clearance you have with an OL4B and HEI, but I do
know it fits as we tried one on our race car, we equipped it with the OL4B
(divorced choke model, just like yours) and a Holley 750 mechanical secondary
carb once during a test for a possible foray into SCCA autocrossing.  It did
OK, but we decided to build a car for that from scratch and not have to work
around the inherent problems a former circle track car would present.

When I get the chance to dig out the engine, intake and HEI again I could
measure it but with all the flaky white stuff outside and the garage looking
like a war zone it might be awhile.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:35:31 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 98 tire sizes

Jack,

I run 235 70 TR15 on my 69 98.  Car had 235 75 R15s on it when I got it.  No
clearance problems with either size.

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: jackkopf <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 1:21 PM
Subject: 98 tire sizes


>
>I was wondering if anyone on the list would know, what is
>the
>largest tire size that will clear the skirts on a 70 "98" ?
>
>Jack
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:39:23 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: RE: Tire size

I had a 73 Delta Royal about 8-9 years ago, If I remember correctly the
tires that I had on the back were 245/60/15. I remember that they filled out
the wheel wells.


Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:16:30 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: adds on the list

> Bob for president, er, prime minister.  (Sorry, I forgot you were in
> Canada for a minute there.)  Want to trade Bill Clinton and a couple of
> cars for your head person?  I'm sure that if we took up a collection a
> viavble deal could be ARRANGED...   :)

What a funny group of people.   Always good for a laugh!

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:46:56 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Hi everyone!

I'm back!  Did I miss anything of any interest?  E-mail me privately if
I did at hurstolds@xtalwind.net   

Don't want to waste more bandwidth here rehashing old news.

Now for the cool Olds related part.  Even at 117K miles, the gray 85 442
netted me an average of almost 22 mpg.  EPA on the window sticker said
17-24, so I can live with that.  Texaco and Amoco proved to be the best
at about 22.3 mpg.  Phillips 66 and BP (who owns Amoco now) didn't fair
so well on the MPG test.  Only got about 20 outta either one of those. 
Plus gas in GA was only 92.9 for premium,  82.9 for mid grade.  And 72.9
for regular.

Compared the new hurst formulation card with my hood and door sill
gold.  Darn near perfect match.  Good deal there.

Worked on the 69 with limited success.  Got the dashboard ready for
removal.  Almost.  I coupled a visit with my car in SC with a speed run
to visit my folks in Illinois.  So not much car action.  Couldn't
believe it was -1 without a wind chill!!!!!!!!  ACK!

Oh, well, hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas, if you believe in it,
and a great new year.  

P.S.  Got over 500 bucks worth of NEW GM parts for the Gray 85.  Santa
is so cool!!!!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:46:16 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: RE weather

Well Toronto is getting hammered buy a snow storm, not a good night for
Oldsmobile's or any other car for that matter. They are calling for around
1' of snow. It just seems like forever till spring, I was born to live in a
hot climate.

Spring dreaming
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:03:57 -0500
From: "Mr. Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Adds on the list

I didn't catch the original post, but if there's a debate about adds on the
list, I say keep them.  The more the resources, the better Oldses we can all
produce.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:09:57 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!

Had to comment....it's interesting that British Petroleum now owns the
American Oil Company.
I wasn't aware of that.
				R. Kevin Noon
				66 Dynamic 88
				85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Hi everyone!
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 9:46 PM
> I'm back!  

- ------snipped-----

 Phillips 66 and BP (who owns Amoco now) didn't fair
> so well on the MPG test.  Only got about 20 outta either one of those. 


> P.S.  Got over 500 bucks worth of NEW GM parts for the Gray 85.  Santa
> is so cool!!!!
> 
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:20:04 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: W27 cover on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53240804
- -- 

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:25:36 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: bad-a$$ chevelle f/s on Ebay

Normally, I'd leave it alone, but ~this~ one ~needs~ a look-see  :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=52544852

No picture, though...  :(
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:26:24 -0600
From: senator@mail.chorus.net
Subject: My New Carb

Ok guys and gals, here's the first installment of my latest saga:
Rebuilding a junkyard carb (Q-jet, of course) to put on my '78 Cutlass
Supreme (350cid, TH-350, 3:42 limited-slip).
I pulled it off of some old Firebird, maybe a 1976?  The number on the
carburetor itself is 17056264.  I can't find it in any of my books.
Anyhow, I was wondering: 1)Is this a 1976 Pontiac carb?  Any info is
appreciated.  2)What does DB mean, when it is on the metering rods?  3)How
do you tell what kind of jets you have if there's no number on them?  4)If
the carb is designed to have an "idle compensator assembly", and it is
missing, will it still work?

Also, I am in digest mode, so please send all replies to
senator@mail.chorus.net.

Bob
'78 CS

P.S. - I've still got those SSIII's (14x6) free to a good home!

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:24:57 -0500
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

I live about 40min North of Toronto and my poor 63 Starfire is outside
in the snow. I put my 88 Ch*v pickup in the shop to do some bodywork
about 2 weeks ago and thought I would have it done by now, but you
always find more things to fix so it's stuck in there, and my poor 63 is
out in this storm. Hope you all have your Oldsmobiles under a roof.

Cliff McFarlane - Tottenham, Ontario, Canada
1962 Ninety-Eight-(parts)
1962 Starfire conv.-(wedgewood mist, in restoration)
1962 Starfire htp-(red, parts)
1963 Starfire htp-(antique rose, future project)
1963 Starfire htp-(wedgewoodmist,restored)          
http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
1963 Starfire conv.-(navy blue, parts)
1957 Ford Fairlane 500 conv.-(red/white, restored)

R. Grant wrote:
> 
> Well Toronto is getting hammered buy a snow storm, not a good night for
> Oldsmobile's or any other car for that matter. They are calling for around
> 1' of snow. It just seems like forever till spring, I was born to live in a
> hot climate.
> 
> Spring dreaming
> Kevin Grant
> 80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:33:41 -0500
From: "John H. Edmonds III" <edmonds@UU.NET>
Subject: Gear Vendors overdrive

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Greetings and Happy New Year,

    Has anyone had any experience with a Gear Vendors overdrive in an
Oldsmobile? I am thinking 3.90 gears and a .78 overdrive equals a 3.04
final drive ratio...

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:55:38 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

I hate to mention it, but today temperatures were in the mid-seventies as I sat
out front in my shirt sleeves sucking cold suds with my neighbors and watching
as the Arizona Cardinals kicked backside in Dallas for a win in a playoff game
for the first time since 1947.  O/K, it gets warmer than warm here in summer,
but it sure was nice today.  If hot is your climate, we have it here.  Roger:)

R. Grant wrote:

> Well Toronto is getting hammered buy a snow storm, not a good night for
> Oldsmobile's or any other car for that matter. They are calling for around
> 1' of snow. It just seems like forever till spring, I was born to live in a
> hot climate.
>
> Spring dreaming
> Kevin Grant
> 80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:06:04 -0500
From: "Mr. Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: bad-a$$ chevelle f/s on Ebay

ha!

<words> -----Original Message-----
<words> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Oldsmagnet
<words> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 22:26 Costanzo
<words> To: Oldsmobile Mailing List; G-Body List; Toro List
<words> Subject: bad-a$$ chevelle f/s on Ebay
<words> 
<words> 
<words> Normally, I'd leave it alone, but ~this~ one ~needs~ a look-see  :)
<words> 
<words> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=52544852
<words> 
<words> No picture, though...  :(
<words> -- 
<words> 
<words> Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|   
<words> mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
<words> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner See my homepage |\ |=|  |   |   |
<words> http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet Mine too|<||=|  |   |   |
<words>      "I SEEK YOU!"  ICQ # 20418760            |/ |=|  |  / \  |
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<words> 

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:07:47 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: aerochamber mufflers?

does anyone run hooker aerochamber mufflers behind a 455?  if so what do they
sound like?  i have a set to put on my 70 but haven't had any time at the shop
to.

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:15:32 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE weather

We have ice here in Thomasville, nc . (Greensboro area).Roger Utter

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:18:11 -0500
From: "Mr. Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: RE weather

Yeah,
wish you hadn't mentioned it.  I lived in AZ till 6 months ago.  this pa
weather is the pits.


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:20:26 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: How do I isolate bad cylinder/bearing?

>Some of you may recall my long postings about my 1986 Oldsmobile
>ninety-eight (3.8L V6). Here's another problem:
>
>The car, during the days that it ran would sometimes not crank or crank
 [snip]
>It looks like something mechanical is blocking the rotation. Now my
>guess is it could be a broken piston rink (since it also gives out huge
>amounts of blue fumes).
>
>Could this problem also be due to bad bearings? Are there any other
>possibilities?

Well, it doesn't sound good, whatever the case. Definitely could be a
bearing or a ring.

>How would I go about isolating the bad cylinder or bearing? I was
>thinking maybe I can open the oil pan and get access to the bearings,
>disconnect one piston at a time till the problem went away, if it was a
>problem with a jammed piston. I could then either fix that piston (by
>removing the appropriate head) or run it as a V5 (would that be too
>rough?). Is this feasible?

Well, that would be a hatchet job of the highest degree, but it's
theoretically possible. Big problem is that you just can't remove one rod
from a journal and run the other alone; the oil pressure will be lost out
the side of the bearing, and the rod will walk and twist on that journal.

I suppose you could cut about 2" out of the rod with a *strong* sawzall,
leaving the bottom end of the rod bolted to the journal, jam the piston up
in the bore with something (JB-Weld?), remove the rockers and pushrods for
that cylinder, and run a V-5.

It might run for a day or two, and shake like crazy, but it sounds like fun! 

It would probably be less work to install a good-running junkyard engine,
though, and it's something you could actually drive afterwards.

>Is it feasible to isolate a bad bearing by working from the oil pan
>opening  if that's the problem?

That's the best way.

>I'm afraid I don't have a hoist to actually take out the engine and work
>on it.

You can rent one for about $30/day. But some parts yards will install the
engines they sell for for not too much.

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:20:30 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts

>Your not supposed to spam or try to sell non-Olds related stuff.
>I would hardly call stuff for sale by people on the list as spam.

True; it's of general interest to this list, and when it's done well (Jim
has been doing this from the start, once a week or so) there's no problem
with it.

>There are a lot of people looking for a lot of different stuff and
>for some is the reason they are on the list.

In fact, I consider Jim's posts to be more of a service, with his own resto
parts and the NOS/used parts he makes available at a price that's usually
less than the large resto houses.

Bob Barry

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:28:02 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: adds on the list

My $ .02.
It is true , there are guys that are trying to get rich off of us poor slobs,
but most guys try to be fair. There isn't any "fair market value" for any of
our stuff. If I have a part I am not going to us , I try to sell it for enough
to  purchase something I need.  Supply & demand. 
Roger Utter

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:55:33 -0500
From: "Mr. Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: take this seriously?

" i want a nother cutalls bad ...if you could hook me up i would apprecisate
it ...i like the late 70's eirley 80's it dont have to be the best butt hs
to run good"

This is from a guy who owned many Oldses in the past, but now he has none.
He can't take it anymore, so if anyone's selling, please forward info to
him.  I think he's looking for a 442 (who isn't?), but he just said cutlass.

his address is herb@roava.net

either the guys a complete maniac, dope, or just types real poorly.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:02:58 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: cam

Who has the Lunati cam for sale ?
Thanks.
Roger Utter

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:10:29 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Car for sale

Check out this site for pictures of the 70 Cutlass
Sorry if I haven't responded, I was trying to get the pictures up as soon
as possible:
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/70conv/



Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Car for sale
> Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:49 PM
> 
> 
> Sorry to post to list...
> 
> Did you get my private reply.  I think I sent it to the right address. 
What
> is your address, so that I can reply privately.  Thanks man.
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass
> costanzo@netcarrier.com
> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo
> 

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:28:27 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: RE weather

Sleet and lots of ice in the Roanoke/Blacksburg Va area...!!  Brrrrrrrrrrr..!!
18 F too


From:          GraphixRUs@aol.com


We have ice here in Thomasville, nc . (Greensboro area).Roger Utter

  "Baby we can talk all night
       But that ain't getting us nowhere.............."
          "Now don't be sad
              'Cause two out of three ain't bad..."   

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:38:48 -0500
From: "Mr. Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: RE weather

yep, we just started to get here too in Bucks County, PA.  this sucks.
When's spring?  I want to work on my car.

<words> -----Original Message-----
<words> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
<words> krzy4evr@usit.net
<words> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 19:28 Costanzo
<words> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> Subject: Re: RE weather
<words>
<words>
<words> Sleet and lots of ice in the Roanoke/Blacksburg Va
<words> area...!!  Brrrrrrrrrrr..!!
<words> 18 F too
<words>
<words>
<words> From:          GraphixRUs@aol.com
<words>
<words>
<words> We have ice here in Thomasville, nc . (Greensboro area).Roger Utter
<words>
<words>   "Baby we can talk all night
<words>        But that ain't getting us nowhere.............."
<words>           "Now don't be sad
<words>               'Cause two out of three ain't bad..."
<words>
<words>

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:53:23 EST
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Weather - near blizzard conditions

The 442 in at the bottom of a snowdrift.
It's 15 with 20mph wind gusting to 30 and the wind is getting worse.
6 inches of light fluffy snow earlier this week, nearly a foot in the last 24
hrs.
Every year I say no more, yet I'm still here in Iowa.
There's something wrong with this situation, maybe I could get everything in
2-3 semi's and head South. Maybe even let the wife come along!
Gary

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Date: 2 Jan 99 23:07:50 MST
From: <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: RE weather]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Sleet and lots of ice in the Roanoke/Blacksburg Va area...!!  Brrrrrrrrrrr..!!
18 F too


From:          GraphixRUs@aol.com


We have ice here in Thomasville, nc . (Greensboro area).Roger Utter

  "Baby we can talk all night
       But that ain't getting us nowhere.............."
          "Now don't be sad
              'Cause two out of three ain't bad..."   




AHHH sunny Arizona almost makes the summers worth it



RESTOMAN

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:22:12 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: RE weather

> yep, we just started to get here too in Bucks County, PA.  this sucks.
> When's spring?  I want to work on my car.


Getting what?
ice?
Snow?
COUNTING...
only 47 days til i will see the sun
brrrr?
yeah so what? isnt that the fun of it?
To take your olds out after 6 months of cold weather?
Spin it out and forgett all the thougts that i have had about my realiable 
(but diesel dowered) truck this year?
Oh yeah by the way counting 1 metre and 47 centimeters of snow (as off now)
and - (that is --)27 degres CELSIUS....
OHHHHHH....
An olds driving trough the curwes of my working way.....
:-))))

Trond-Jarle
69 F-85

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:06:30 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 66 wiper wiring

Fireman431@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the return mail.
> 
> I have the square wiper motor with 4 blade terminals.
> The wiper switch has 3 blade terminals.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Larry


Larry,
As I mentioned in my last post, both the round
and square motors used in 1966 on the Cutlass 
or 4-4-2 use three terminals on the motor, plus 
two for the washer pump. Is it possible you are
viewing the ground post as a terminal?  If there
are four actual terminals on the motor, it sounds
like your new motor is an incorrect one.  
If there are three terminals, I hope the following
will help.  Viewing the assembly with the motor
section on the left, and the terminals on the 
right, the lower terminal is the power source
from the ignition switch.  When the wiper switch 
is turned on, power then flows through the upper 
terminal by the grounding of the dash switch.  
When the switch is in the high position, the 
connection is made by the switch rerouting the 
ground to the center terminal of the motor. 
When the switch is in the off position, it 
interrupts the connection by eliminating the ground.  
The switch is grounded to the dashboard.
The dash switches have three connections.   
If memory serves right, the two terminals next to 
each other are the motor terminals and the offset 
single is what actuates the washer pump.  As to which 
wire from the switch goes to which of the (upper) 
terminals on the motor, I couldn't say for sure.  
But it is just a matter of hooking the two terminals
from the motor to the switch.  If the low 
position on the switch runs the wipers at 
high speed, just reverse the wires.   

Hope this helps.  Or for that matter makes sense.
(I've been here for almost two days straight doing
inventory and all the other year end fun stuff). 

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland  Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 05:17:43 -0500
From: Tom Berkowitz <tjberk@netkonnect.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

My 1970 Cutlas Supreme tries to live in a garage originally built for a
model T.  The garage doors do not close because the Olds is sticks out a
bit. I do have a car cover on it.  Guess the Olds and I need to move to
a warmer climate.  The other car I own (a volvo) is used to the ice and
snow.

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 
> I live about 40min North of Toronto and my poor 63 Starfire is outside
> in the snow. I put my 88 Ch*v pickup in the shop to do some bodywork
> about 2 weeks ago and thought I would have it done by now, but you
> always find more things to fix so it's stuck in there, and my poor 63 is
> out in this storm. Hope you all have your Oldsmobiles under a roof.
> 
> Cliff McFarlane - Tottenham, Ontario, Canada
> 1962 Ninety-Eight-(parts)
> 1962 Starfire conv.-(wedgewood mist, in restoration)
> 1962 Starfire htp-(red, parts)
> 1963 Starfire htp-(antique rose, future project)
> 1963 Starfire htp-(wedgewoodmist,restored)
> http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
> 1963 Starfire conv.-(navy blue, parts)
> 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 conv.-(red/white, restored)
> 
> R. Grant wrote:
> >
> > Well Toronto is getting hammered buy a snow storm, not a good night for
> > Oldsmobile's or any other car for that matter. They are calling for around
> > 1' of snow. It just seems like forever till spring, I was born to live in a
> > hot climate.
> >
> > Spring dreaming
> > Kevin Grant
> > 80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 05:31:53 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: page

Paging  Karl Sarpolis,
I have a couple of  questions.
Thanks 
Rooger Utter

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 04:56:01 -0600
From: Shang <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Need help with piston rings

Hey everyone, 

	I am going to see about salvaging my 350 in a few weeks and I need some
opinions about the pistons rings. My engine had less than 500 miles
runtime on it when I got some trash in the #1&2 rod bearings and trashed
the crank. I need to pull the pistons out so I can have the assembly
re-balanced when I get a new crank. 

	My question is this: since the motor has so little runtime on it, can I
re-use the piston rings? I am not trying to be cheap, I am just trying
to keep from spending money that I don't need to. I have been told that
I must have the cylinder's re-honed and re-ring the pistons, or the
rings will not seal. I am wondering if I keep them all in order and
don't touch the cylinder's, will they seat ok again? I have looked at
the cylinder's and the cross-hatch looks exactly the same now as it did
when I put the motor together. This is the original '70 350 and it is an
F2 block, so I know it's pretty hard and doesn't wear that fast. Is a
re-hone and re-ring and absolute necessity or is it just a "to make
sure" kinda deal?

Thanks for the help.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 06:43:12 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather

Geez, the way people complain about the slightest inclement weather.

Snow is Mother Earth suggesting we need more exercise!

Ever since the Greater Chi-town area (now the murder capital of the world,
thank you, thank you) plunged from balmy to brisk a few weeks back, I have
noticed a tendency for SOM to start every night and every morning. Including
when I movet her for sow removal purposes.

One morning the driver's door did not wanna open (prolly was frozen), so I
pulled harder. Open says-me! Aren't these cars great?

(Gratuitous Olds content!)

A little snow work, and I coulda driven away. Unlike my neighbor. He has one
of those high-falootin' German cars. It is a B.M. or something. Anyway, he has
been providing me with much entertainment lately. It seems his "car" happens
to be rear wheel drive, and does not seem to have a gear between "slide" and
"wheelspin". I was enjoying it too much watching him move it out of and into
the driveway.

Karl does not worry about traction.
There is a B.F. "rear end" in SOM's trunk!
Pretty sure we are good to go.

Do I need to mention the cold light?

<<  as I sat out front in my shirt sleeves sucking cold suds with my neighbors
and watching as the Arizona Cardinals kicked backside in Dallas for a win in a
playoff game for the first time since 1947.  Roger:)  >>

Thanks for the sports update Roger!
I missed the game due to severe unconsciousness following a bout of
shovelling.
Always keen to follow the adventures of the former Chicago Cardinals.

Also - that's the worst thing about street parking; winter.
If somone parks in my spot, there is going to be a LOT of torque applied
locally!

Just some thoughts before the clampdown.
I gotta go out and get some aerobic exercise.
And the timestamp is correct.

Dress warm!

Karl

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:07:29 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: adds posted to the list

Hello all,
  It is only my opinion that adds should be placed at the classified site. 
Perhaps i'm
wrong. Maybe Bryceman can save himself some work/time and do away with the 
classifieds
and just make this a mailing list and classified site all in one? Wouldn't 
that be nice?

  I thought i was demonstrating some sort of logic when i placed my parts adds 
at the
classified site. Maybe i would be doing some a favor if i posted them here 
instead?

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:20:29 -0500
From: "CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Top Speeds

From: DeltaSig47@aol.com [mailto:DeltaSig47@aol.com]
<Snip>
There have been a lot of posts on the list lately on how fast your car
is/was/felt like/could be.  Why don't we just post our time slips on our web
sites to prove it?

<GJC>

Hey Joe; I agree with your thought process here. Hope everyone noticed I
didn't chime in on the "Top End Figures" everyone has claimed. Which I might
add are not judicable via normal 1/8th or 1/4 mile slips. Were no talking
pocket rockets here. We're talking top end. I would venture to say to be
accurate in these figures will require the sophicated timing equipment at
say Darrlington, Daytona The Brick Yard ya know. Where a car can reach it
top speed safely, and be accurately timed/gauged. Anyone got a spare oh
$5,000 or so for a couple passes on the big paid professional boys toy
track? AS an upcoming professional, let me say that to attempt pushing your
cars top end on any surface street is Reckless Endangerment to any
person/animal or obstacle that may find it's way into your way. Even the
Autobahn will kill you quickly trying to sustain a 140 top end. The sheer
distance it takes to attain and decelerate from a charge like that will
place you in the ground quickly.

Now (Oldsmagnet), having done a little high speed testing with Quincy on a
local semi-retired county airport with both State Troupers and a Sheriff
Deputy on hand, (childhood friends + lunch breaks all 3 times) and with
radar in hand, (microwave + laser),  Quincy was tested. In true stock
128,000 speedo miles this '86 CSB started "Floating" at 83 MPH. Once the
Aero kit was applied with nothing else changed I could feel it's downforce
"squat the car starting around 70 MPH with floating entering the equation
around 95 MPH. "Floating" is the point where a cars aerodynamics allow
enough air under the car causing "Lift" Vs. the cars designed Aero down
force. I have no doubt that a mid '80's Must*ang can go far faster before
float than can a G-body Cutlass with it's basic flat nose. On to the Third
test. After the stock suspension was changed to PST Poligraphite with Eibach
springs, (1 + 1/2" car drop and stiffened),  and 1" front + 1 1/8" rear sway
bars, I was able to push the envelope to 125 MPH with no perceived float.
There was simply no more room to push faster though I had a little more. All
three test days were sub 80* and calm sub-5 MPH breeze days. Once Quincy
receives it's TT-TP-EFI 455, Richmond 6 speed OD and Mark Williams custom 9"
Modular 4 link quick change rear, we'll head to a full circle track and pull
some official speed/time trial testing. Though that won't be until the show
circuit is closing down for 1999. Don't want to tap a wall with our show
piece till after he's done his Summer publicity work and we can aptly afford
to replace him with a few test units that will be used for Summer of 2000
track testing. After the cars Aero to air force barrier has been passed,
(70 - 100 MPH dependent on car design, There is a second barrier to be over
come. That exists around 160 MPH where wind sheer (yes, what planes
encounter) and car harmonics meet. This is where the stock box frame fails.
It is far to ridged to flex and literally make use of the downward Aero
forces and grip the ground. These must be addressed by changing to a tunable
tube frame and other suspension changes. Ever notice a NASCAR car at rest?
It sits 4" - 5" above the ground. Put that car at 180 MPH and you'll see it
squat to say 1" of ground clearance. Yet at rest you would be hard pressed
to place your weight and deflect any corner of that car by 1". Imagine the
downforce of turbulent air pressure being moved out of the way at 160+ MPH
pushing down that same suspension say 4".

So to push your "factory stock" car to 145 is at least flirting with
disaster, a missile destined for lack of control even when going strait. I
don't care what brand of car except a few of the exotics available that
aren't included here. It's irresponsible for the factory to post, no brag,
that a cars top end is 142. It simply is not safe with a stock equipped,
mass produced car. And to tell the inexperienced public that "you can, we
have" is inexcusable at best. And a death taunting admission. They did that
speed under controlled circumstances on their closed test track. Not your
average 65 MPH Highway. And certainly not in innocent traffic. I don't care
how long, flat, strait etc it is. You are not proving how fast your car can
go, You are rolling the dice of fate of not just yourself but anyone you
venture upon.

Just an assessment of the facts. No flames intended nor wanted. Soapbox
removed, let's be safe out there. Oh, One more thing. There's a better
chance than not that someone flirting disaster at 120+ on surface streets,
has some substance in their blood stream that is blocking their common sense
and fear factor. Not someone I want to be near when they flirt disaster.


Have a Happy and Safe Holiday Season!
- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
Rt-1, Box-615
Bailey Road
Purling, NY 12470

(518) 622-0376
ICQ# 5209322
mailto:gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Send Project Questions To:
mailto:info@CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:37:56 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Gear Vendors overdrive

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I have one in my 68 442 ,do not think I would do again , I think I would
go with the 4L80E trans  the GV cost about 3 grand after I was done
,massage floor hump new drive shaft and little mis stuff  but it will
take the power of the beast    {can not use for drag race because it is
not consistant} I run 4.11 gears 28 in. tall tires
  butch  68   442 post

John H. Edmonds III wrote:

>  Greetings and Happy New Year,
>
>     Has anyone had any experience with a Gear Vendors overdrive in an
> Oldsmobile? I am thinking 3.90 gears and a .78 overdrive equals a 3.04
> final drive ratio...
>
> --
> ============================================================================
> John H. Edmonds III
> Network Operations Engineer
> UUNET WorldCom
> (703) 206-5485
>
>
> Guinness is for strength!
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I have one in my 68 442 ,do not think I would do again , I think I would
go with the 4L80E trans&nbsp; the GV cost about 3 grand after I was done
,massage floor hump new drive shaft and little mis stuff&nbsp; but it will
take the power of the beast&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {can not use for drag race
because it is not consistant} I run 4.11 gears 28 in. tall tires
<BR>&nbsp; butch&nbsp; 68&nbsp;&nbsp; 442 post

<P>John H. Edmonds III wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;Greetings and Happy New Year,

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Has anyone had any experience with a Gear Vendors
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equals a 3.04 final drive ratio...
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:03:39 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts

Love the parts ... love the tech ... one fits nicely
into the other ... keep it up.  

Oh my .... my .... my!  I just saw a modified 81 Olds Cutlass
85 engine .... headers .... edelbrock 600 cfm
B&M console shifter ... SS II's and TA's Body straight and in prime.

Forgive me, For I have Sinned .... 
Honest Hon, it was only $ 800
Included matching electric seats and the original console/shifter
I bought it on the spot. 


Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:36:54 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Need help with piston rings

500 miles ain't squat on those rings. As long as the bores aren't scratched
by whatever "trash" you say found its way into the bearings.

Any lessons you wanna share with us? (What killed the bearings?)

drc

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:51:24 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: parts for sale Q

In a message dated 1/2/99 3:23:49 PM Central Standard Time, comid@jellico.com
writes:

<< Holley street dominator intake for small block, excellent condition: $125.
 Edelbrock Performer for small block, excellent condition: $125. >>


Which small blocks will these fit?  I'm looking for an intake for my 83 307
with #5 heads

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,  Nebraska
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307 (parts car)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6 (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:10:33 -0600
From: Shang <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Need help with piston rings

Umm, hehe....what killed the bearings was stupidity on my part. I
installed the oil pump driveshaft upside down, because I forgot to put
it in before I put the pan on. I knew that the retainer ring was riding
on the block, but I checked it after about 250 miles and it looked fine
so I left it alone. Well it was fine until I decided to really open her
up and somewhere around 4500RPM it ground itself up. I have fully
inspected the engine and suprisingly, only the #1&2 rod journals were
effected. The other bearings look exactly like I would expect them to
look. It beat the oil pump up a bit, but it still worked, still showed
60psi at 2500RPM.  There was only minimal shaving in the pan because
only the bottom half of the retainer ring was actually ground up. The
upper half was just sitting there on the block by where the driveshaft
passes through..

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Dave Cullen wrote:
> 
> 500 miles ain't squat on those rings. As long as the bores aren't scratched
> by whatever "trash" you say found its way into the bearings.
> 
> Any lessons you wanna share with us? (What killed the bearings?)
> 
> drc

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:34:44 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi 
trivia)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sealey <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
>>Unlike some GM 4 cylinders (Like the pontiac 4 cylinder, which I
>>believe was a V-8 with a cylinder bank lopped off.)...
>
>Depends on which Pontiac 4 you refer to.  This is indeed true of the
>rope-drive Tempest's 4-cylinder.  The later "Iron Duke", which I >believe
made its way into some Oldsmobiles (there's the Olds >content)

Just confirming that I have that "Iron Duke" in my '83 Ciera.   It has 110K
miles on it, leaks a little oil, think it has an engine knock, some valve
flutter and has a ton of blowby,  but it still manages to get 25+ MPG
cruising on the highway at 70 MPH.  It's a great little engine.

Bill Reilly
mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
Web Page: (Not yet)

My Garage:
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:02:48 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: adds posted to the list

I agree the list should not be filled with nothing but advertisements, 
especially from
businesses that are not Olds-specific.  I have no problem with individuals 
posting ads.
Think about how we often sell or buy other types of things.  We may put an ad 
in the local
newspaper and the bulletin board at work, but we'll still use word of mouth 
around immediate
coworkers and neighbors.  I sorta look at the classifieds on 442.com as being 
the
"newspaper" or the work bulletin board, but the list is kinda like "word of 
mouth."   I
guess things could get out of hand, but I think they're okay right now.

I rarely check the classifieds on 442.com.  I spend enough time reading 
through posts on the
list.  In fact, the ads on the list are usually the first messages I open, 
unless Karl's
posted something.  I ALWAYS open his first!   Keep the hallucinations coming.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:24:23 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Top Speeds

First, I have always tried the top speed on a deserted country road so
nobody but myself was ever in danger.  As for the body lift, I would have to
say that you should drive my '81 Dodge MaxiVan.  That this has 4.10 rear end
and once you get over about 80 MPH it starts to shake and over 90 MPH it
seriously gets off the ground.  I once had the tack at 6800 RPM and the
speedo well over 100 MPH as the Van felt like it was airborne.  The speedo
and tach had short bursts up there and then down to 5500 and below 100 MPH
and then again back to over 6500 and so on.  I think that this mush have
been some wheel-hop as the front of the Van was going up.  This was dumb and
I will never try it again cause the Van was just not made for speed.  As for
my Delta, I had it above 85 MPH many times (75 MPH limit here) and there has
never been any evidence of body lift and lack of cornering stability.  It
did go well above 100 MPH with the 3.23 until I noticed similar (but much
less) vibration as with the Van and backed off.  I don't really care too
much about top speed and realize that suspension would have to be modified
and don't want to push my car to the point of destruction/death/etc...
Interesting post you put up, lots of good info.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:29:35 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

I woke up today at 5:45am (Sorry...I was woken up this morning..."Honey, I dont
think that I can get the car out the driveway") Actually, If I had let my 5 
month
pregnant wife shovel her out her 86 Olds Cutlass Supreme (Olds content) to go 
to
work my neighbours would have come over and kicked my @$$!!

Getting out of our subdivision took nothing less than 4 wheel drive. So I 
drove her
to work, pulled some guy in a minvan back on to the road, took a neighbour out 
to
meet his ride to work after gtting his H**da stuck 4 times in 20 feet, and then
spent 3 hours shovelling out the laneway. Loaded the snowmobile into the truck 
and
drove out to my car club. Made it 100 feet down the 500 foot laneway. Once 
forward
motion had stopped, I found I was not on the laneway any more, and was pushing 
snow
12" over the bumper. Backed up, unloaded the snowmobile and drove it to the 
club.
It barely runs, plugs, wires, 2 year old gasoline & lots of blue smoke. Its now
parked next to the Olds (Olds content) awaiting its parts and tuneup. 500 foot 
walk
in 2-3 foot snow drifts back to the truck.
Lunch and eggnog never tasted so good!

We are expecting more snow to come.

Brian Kerr
Cambridge, Ontario
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:42:27 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: ads posted to the list

Thomas P. Smith wrote:
> 
> I agree the list should not be filled with nothing but advertisements, 
especially from
> businesses that are not Olds-specific.  I have no problem with individuals 
posting ads.
> Think about how we often sell or buy other types of things.  We may put an 
ad in the local
> newspaper and the bulletin board at work, but we'll still use word of mouth 
around immediate
> coworkers and neighbors.  I sorta look at the classifieds on 442.com as 
being the
> "newspaper" or the work bulletin board, but the list is kinda like "word of 
mouth."   I
> guess things could get out of hand, but I think they're okay right now.

Tom,

Would you like to run for office?  I agree with the above comments.  I
have no problem with the initial postings, but I would if we  were
subjected to the direct negogiations for the transaction.  That part
belongs on the direct posting instead of the list.  And that's the way
Greg runs this bunch of Oldsmonuts.  Why change what works?  Later......

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:36:26 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: RE: Weather

Man did we get hit by a big storm, can't get the car out of the driveway
as the snow on my street is about 2' deep it's 1:30 in the afternoon and
they still haven't plowed the street. I'am wondering if they will do it for
tomorrow morning. This is the most snow that the Toronto area has receved in
one night in about 12 years. I think it was 1985 the last time, I'am glad
the Cutlass does not come out till Arpil.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
Brampton Ont.

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:51:01 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

Brian Kerr wrote:

> think that I can get the car out the driveway") Actually, If I had let my 5 
month
> pregnant wife shovel her out her 86 Olds Cutlass Supreme (Olds content) to 
go to

Nice to know a gentleman still lives.  BIG :)

> It barely runs, plugs, wires, 2 year old gasoline & lots of blue smoke. Its 
now

Wonder what a built 350 would do for this FINE vehicle?  Or maybe a 455?
Always kidded about putting a 350 on my riding lawn mower and seeing how
fast I can mow my yard.   Must be a little of Tim "THE TOOLMAN" Taylor
in all of us.  

> Lunch and eggnog never tasted so good!

Did you drop a jigger or two of Kentucky's fine branch water in the egg
nog?  A local favorite is Maker's Mark, a real good sour mash bourbon.
 
> We are expecting more snow to come.

Hope you have an attic access so you can get out after the rest of the
storm gets there.  Or at least a second story window to climb out of. 
:)

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:53:46 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: RE weather]

restoman@netscape.net wrote:
> 
> oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
> Sleet and lots of ice in the Roanoke/Blacksburg Va area...!!  
Brrrrrrrrrrr..!!
> 18 F too

> AHHH sunny Arizona almost makes the summers worth it

I couldn't take the 110-120 degree summer though.  I can always put more
clothes on, but there is a limit as to what I am allowed to take off. 
Probably best that way considering how long it's been since I hurt my
shoulder and had to quit lifting weights for a while to recover.  

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:50:36 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Top Speeds

CC-IROC-SS wrote:
<snip>
So to push your "factory stock" car to 145 is at least flirting with disaster, 
a
missile destined for lack of control even when going strait.....

AGREED!
As a fresh 16 yr old car driver (lots of motorcycle, snowmobile, tractor, truck
experience on the trails and the farm but very little highway driving) I pushed
my mothers 1970 Chrysler NewYorker land yaugt on a secondary highway (read as
'rough') to somewhere in the 140 mph range. The speedometer read to 130, the
needle pegged an inch farther over, and it was still accelerating when I pulled
my foot out of it. Talk about floating!!! Major white knucke stuff! I didnt 
have
the experience to know how unsafe that car was at that speed. I wouldnt take
that car over 100 mph now even on on the salt flats!
Well, I survived my teenage foolishness (barely) and generally keep my top
speeds some what lower.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass conv

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:58:53 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?

I'm looking into a 4-speed swap for my current 350/TH350.  Does anyone have
or know of one for sale that is in great condition.  I don't want to have to
rebuilt it or worry about grinding noises. What kind of price am I looking
at?

thanks,
greg z

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:06:05 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Olds transport LA to San Antonio

Oldsmonuts-
Looking to transport a '70 Cutlass to San Antone for a fellow lister for a
reasonable rate and usual sources have crapped out. 
Anybody have any leads or other ideas?

Never hurts to ask...

TIA
Peter
Coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:58:31 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 3, 1999 2:01 PM
Subject: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?


>I'm looking into a 4-speed swap for my current 350/TH350.  Does anyone have
>or know of one for sale that is in great condition.  I don't want to have
to
>rebuilt it or worry about grinding noises. What kind of price am I looking
>at?
>
>thanks,
>greg z


I have one for sale (M21) but I can't say that it is in great condition
I would say fair to good, can have it looked at though.
Right now best offer.


Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:10:11 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: RE weather

Don Sowers wrote:

> Brian Kerr wrote:
> > It barely runs, plugs, wires, 2 year old gasoline & lots of blue smoke. 
Its now
>
> Wonder what a built 350 would do for this FINE vehicle?  Or maybe a 455?
> Always kidded about putting a 350 on my riding lawn mower and seeing how
> fast I can mow my yard.   Must be a little of Tim "THE TOOLMAN" Taylor
> in all of us.
>

The snowmobile is a 1975 Skidoo Elan. It is a small 40 mph machine that should 
be
powered with a 12 hp
single cylinder at best. However it is a bone stock Elan SS with a high 
performance 294
cc twin cylinder.
It will do 70 mph on a lake with a tailwind (when its running good). Something 
like
driving my moms 1970 NewYorker
at 140+.   Its main lot in life now is dragging my ice fishing hut out onto 
the lakes,
and running back to shore for bait and food!

>
> > Lunch and eggnog never tasted so good!
>
> Did you drop a jigger or two of Kentucky's fine branch water in the egg
> nog?  A local favorite is Maker's Mark, a real good sour mash bourbon.

  I thought about it, but I have to go back and pickup my wife at work, and 
showing up
with alcohol on my breath, when she has been working all day, and she has not 
enjoyed
even a glass of wine since learning she was pregnant.....well put it this way, 
I'd be
making my own supper!!!

Brian Kerr
(looking forward to supper)
69 Cutlass conv
86 Cutlass supreme
83 F*rd F150 4X4

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:04:21 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?

Sorry forgot to give my email address
 
kgrant442@home.com


Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:14:22 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Top Speeds

I had 128mph indicated on my 160mph autometer speedometer for about 20
seconds when smoke started pouring into the car.  I slowed down and pulled
off the highway to hear a horrible rod knock.

After trailering the car 90 miles home and tearing the engine apart, I found
the #8 forged piston had a 1/2" hole in it.  $200 later, it runs fine.

I don't go over 100mph now adays.  Besides, the convertible top doesn't like
it.

- -gz

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:17:50 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: anyone have a 4-speed for sale?

In a message dated 1/3/99 11:02:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
zimmermangm@email.msn.com writes:

<< 'm looking into a 4-speed swap for my current 350/TH350.  Does anyone have
 or know of one for sale that is in great condition.  I don't want to have to
 rebuilt it or worry about grinding noises. What kind of price am I looking
 at?
 
 thanks,
 greg z >>

     Greg, I think any higher than $350 for a nice M-20 or M-21 is too high.
Picked my M-20 up for $250, but that of course is without shifter, bellhousing
or linkage. Just look in the classifieds, little nickels, swapmeets, wherever.
There are lots of them out there. And don't let anyone try to sell you an
"M-22" for cheap : ) There aren't that many "rock crushers" around, and they
are NOT cheap.  Dorian

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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:19:11 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: check this out!

Hey guys and gals,

A friend and I ran across this the other night.  Everyone should check
this out, as it may just be the most useful automotive site on the web!

http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto_f.html

In the first part of the URL that is sura_1_ (one) not sura_l_ (the
letter L)..I know that confused me at first since on most computers they
look the same.

Take care, 
Brian.

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:46:06 -0500
From: "CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: check this out!

WOW, That is a find. Thanks. Sure beats firing up the independent programs
on my drive. Now I can clear a little space.  Kewl...

Have a Happy and Safe Holiday Season!
- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
Rt-1, Box-615
Bailey Road
Purling, NY 12470

(518) 622-0376
ICQ# 5209322
mailto:gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

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Send Project Questions To:
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For free Win95-98 Support, come visit < G.J.C > at:
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mailto:techsupport@salemcounty.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Brian Shankle
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:19 PM
To: oldsg_body@listbot.com; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: check this out!


Hey guys and gals,

A friend and I ran across this the other night.  Everyone should check
this out, as it may just be the most useful automotive site on the web!

http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto_f.html

In the first part of the URL that is sura_1_ (one) not sura_l_ (the
letter L)..I know that confused me at first since on most computers they
look the same.

Take care,
Brian.

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:03:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Suspension on 1991 Olds "88" (fwd)

Received this personally, respond to L736@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: L736@aol.com
Subject: Suspension on 1991 Olds "88"

I own a 1991 Olds "88" equipped with the standard "FE1" (soft) level
suspension.  I am interested in changing the front struts to the FE2 (firm) or
the FE3 (sport) type.  I am interested in finding out if other Olds owners
have made such changes on their vehicles, and what their experiences have been
(positive or negative).  I do not want to change the ride of my Olds so
drastically so that it rides like a truck!  Thank you.

Ron 
OCA Member 017177

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:15:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: RE weather

That sure sounds like a lot of snow! Glad it's not here. We've had a
little, but the real story here is the cold. It got down to -23 C Friday
(about -10 F) which is very unusual for these parts, especially this early
in the season. The ocean is supposed to keep temps here moderate, and it
usually does but not with this. We also had a little snow (4") fall
overnight Friday (who said that it's too cold to snow?) and then the wind
started to blow. Real pleasant. I have been suffering from a cold since
midweek and had to go out for supplies yesterday. I wasn't looking forward
to it since it was so cold out, since I was feeling lousy, and since I had
to shovel snow. But mostly I was worried that the ol' Delta wouldn't start
in those temps since it had been sitting since Wednesday.  After I scraped
the ice off, I gingerly turned the key... it cranked slower than normal
for 10 seconds and then started right up! Who needs that modern
technology... :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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