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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, December 10 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1657



68 12 bolt
RE: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455
Subject: Re: Alternator still high
Re: Subject: Re: Alternator still high
Re: oil leak, help
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Re: Heads Up Display
Re: Wanted! a set of Batten Heads
Re: Quadrajets/Holleys/Metering Rods/Fuel Injection/Performance /Fuel 
Economy/Reliability
Re: 68 12 bolt
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Re: 68 12 bolt
welding exhaust divider/milling exhausts
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Re: More Edelbrock Stuff
68 taillight styles.
He's alive
RE: wing/spoiler/make it look better
"Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac
Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....
Re: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455
Olds stereo
found in the Cincinnati Enquirer
Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....
68 442 ?
RE: 68 442 ?
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Re: 68 442 ?
Re: 68 442 ?
RE: 68 442 ?
Re: 68 442 ?
RE: 68 442 ?
Re: 68 442 ?
horn relay
RE: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
RE: 68 442 ?
Re: 68 442 ?
Re: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455
Re: Q 4 the fellow stereo buffs
Re: 67 Cutlass Info Needed -Reply
Re: 68 442 ?
Re: Q 4 the fellow stereo buffs
Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....
Re: 68 442 ?
Re: "Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac
Re: Olds stereo
Re: 68 442 ?
Re: In need of:
Re: "Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:36:20 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: 68 12 bolt

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OK so from the FAQ and some threads on the list I
gather that the Olds 12 bolt you can't get aftermarket
parts for (posi's etc.) and doesn't interchange internally
with the ch*vy 12 bolt.  Am I right?  Saw an add on=20
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which I want to upgrade and was basically planning
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bolt in or can be modified to fit.  Don't want to hassle
with rare, expensive parts ... budget ya know.  As far
as swapping in a ch*vy rearend, I would assume the
yoke would be the same but does anyone know for
sure?

TIA
Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:41:39 -0700
From: Chris Zimmerman <CZimmerman@KVOA.com>
Subject: RE: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455

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From: Bob Dale [mailto:bctad5@toolcity.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 6:22 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455


   Local guy has built 455 Toro transaxle in VW. One sick ride.

Just remembered a guy I was in the Air Force with put a Toro 455 and
transaxle in the back of an Opel GT. A fuel cell was in the original
engine compartment. The exhaust ran towards the front of the car into a
dual inlet/outlet muffler, then back down the sides of the car as
sidepipes. The Toro transaxle drive shafts were shortened to accomodate
the Opel's narrower track width, and were supported by Corvair transaxle
swing-arms. The engine could be serviced by opening the hatchback. Toro
under glass! The Toro 455 transaxle combo in the back of this little
Opel made it a true mid-engine car. It was a neat little piece of shade
tree engineering.
Chris

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:56:46 -0600
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: Subject: Re: Alternator still high

I wouldn't worry about a 17 volt reading if it is consistent. Most factory
gauges aren't that accurate and probably have a + or - 2 volt accuracy
range. You would have to connect a multi-meter or VOM meter to get accurate
readings. You could also replace the internal regulator with another, that
may make a difference in output buy probably make no difference to the
electrical system.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:30:20 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Alternator still high

>I wouldn't worry about a 17 volt reading if it is consistent.

Christian Fair started this thread & his output is around 15 volts. I 
responded that one of mine puts out 17 volts (consistently). 

> You would have to connect a multi-meter or VOM meter to get accurate
>readings.

Believe me, have checked it repeatedly with my equipment & more than one 
garage's.

 You could also replace the internal regulator with another, that
>may make a difference in output buy probably make no difference to the
>electrical system.

I have had no electrical sys prob's in ten years.  (Which was my point to 
Chris.)

roger hitson

>
>E. Wayne Drusch
>71 Cutlass Conv.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:43:24 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: oil leak, help

In a message dated 12/9/98 6:24:12 PM EST, b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< >I have a 68 350,  I have a oil leak from what seams like the front and
rear
 >of the oil pan.  >>

Might want to check your intake manifold gasket. Could be leaking from the top
and only appear to be from oil pan. Just a thought.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:46:29 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better

Greg Rollin wrote:
> 
> Arnold, W D wrote:
> >
> > Was the 'rear wing' really designed to make more downforce or just more 
curb
> > appeal ?
> >
> > Donny A.
> 
> The W-35 rear deck spoiler first appeared on the 1969
> Hurst/Olds.  And is based on the wing design of a Cessna
> airplane.  The reported downforce figures are 15 lbs at
> 60 mph and 64 lbs at 120 mph.  These being relativity
> low figures, I'd say aesthetics play a larger role in
> its significance.

Look faster, go faster?  Some cars look better with wings, some don't. 
On the whole I would probably be more worried about front end lift than
the rear.  If you've ever driven a car with a tendency to "float" at
90-100 mph, you know the feeling I'm talking about.  More than a little
spooky.  Of course if keeping the rear down is important to you for a
1/4 mile or so, by the time you get the downforce at substantial numbers
the trip is over.  :)

Out of curosity I wonder how the downforce numbers compare for some of
the other rear wings, i.e., the GSX, Dodge Charger Daytona/Plymouth
Superbird, current renditions of the f-body GM cars (F-bird and C-maro)
and others with winged rears as opposed to the Oldsmobile rear wings.  I
would be surprised if the Mopar wings weren't the most useful for this
purpose as they were specifically designed for NASCAR.  Some vehicles
had these spoilers designed into the body by using the "flips" at the
top of the deck/quarters instead of a bolt on spoiler.  How effective
these were I have no idea.  Hey, for my buck and a half if it looks good
and it doesn't screw up the aerodynamics, go for it.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:04 EST
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

Was a wing ever available from the factory for convertibles?

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Date:	Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:30:20 -0500
From:	"Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> To me, it's on mainly for looks instead of adding more rear 

downforce.  I
> pound the pavement 1/8 mile at a time and the car never 

sees 100+ mph.
> 
> Was the 'rear wing' really designed to make more downforce 

or just more curb
> appeal ?

Both. The design is such that an actual downforce is obtained 

the faster
you go.  How much it really adds to holding the tires on the 

road, well,
doubtful if enough!!!  If you notice the shape, the top is rather 

flat,
and the bottom is curved. Like an upside down airplane wing.  

So you get
"negative" lift, or a downward force at high speeds.

Of course, you may need to be going 130+ to realize its 

benefits...  :)

But to answer the question about addding a wing to the 69, the 

trunklid
mounting area for the wing is the exact same locations as the 

70-72
wing.  70-72 assembly manual has drilling and mounting data.  

But if
it's a convertible, you'll need to modify it slightly to make it fit
right.  For that matter, adding it to a 68 would be a piece of 

cake too.

Mike Rothe




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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:04:39 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Heads Up Display

> I've done the retro myself, works well, but looks like hell, this
> big box on the dash.  But it's plenty cool to drive, regardless.  

I've had an SSEi with a heads-up display for almost three years now
and I have to say this is the greatest thing since sliced bread; I
absolutely love it. I've seen a few Cutlasses from... 1991? or so...
that had them, but it seems like it never caught on with Olds.

The Pontiac unit has a separate projector unit and control panel.
The control on mine is mounted to the left of the steering column
and has a small Bowden cable connected to the projector unit to
tilt it up or down according to the driver's height to reflect 
and project into the driver's eyes, plus a slide dimmer to fine
tune the brightness (it does dim with the dash lighting) and an
English/Metric button for the speed. Don't know how this compares
to the Olds unit but I would assume it's pretty similar.

Don't know where it gets its speed signal from and I have no idea
how difficult a retrofit it would be, but I really miss it when
I'm driving a car without it.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:08:33 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted! a set of Batten Heads

Check out Bryceman's classified page at 442.com. Exactly what you seek is for
sale there now. The price may disappoint you.
Peter

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:06:21 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Quadrajets/Holleys/Metering Rods/Fuel Injection/Performance /Fuel 
Economy/Reliability

My question is this: He said that he thought that the Quadrajet was "almost
like fuel injection" because of the "metering rods", and that those, with
the secondaries closed, only let the right amount of fuel into the process,
whereas a Holley just "dumps fuel in there".  He said the drawback to a
Quadrajet was that you couldn't do all the hot-rod tinkering to it like you
could with Holley, but that for a street car it was really the best
combination of performance, reliability, and fuel economy.
__________

I worry when people make statements like a carb is "almost like fuel
injection".  The fundamental difference between the two is that a carb uses
vacuum generated in the venturi to draw fuel out of a fuel bowl, while fuel
injection injects (DOH!) fuel under pressure into either the manifold or
the ports.  Both systems meter the flow of fuel in response to engine
demands (if the Holley really just "dumps fuel in there", the engine would
not be anywhere near the proper air/fuel ratio and thus would likely run
poorly or not at all ('course, I've had my share of Holleys that ran like
that...).  Your friend _is_ correct in stating that the Q-jet's metering
rods allow you to tailor the carb's fuel metering properties more closely
to the engine's requirements, as a fixed jet will be optimized for a single
flow condition and will be a little too rich or too lean off the
optimization point.  Of course, most Holley carbs are optimized for WOT,
with the result that they typically have the signature Holley bog somewhere
in the acceleration curve.  (Holley lovers keep those cards and letters
coming in...)

And, by the way, you certainly _can_ do all that tinkering with a Q-jet, in
fact the problem is that you can adjust even more things on a Q-jet than
you can on a Holley.  This, more than anything else, is the reason why many
people shy away from the Q-jet - it's very easy to screw up and send the
adjustment off into the weeds.  You need to have a complete understanding
of how the Q-jet's systems work (get the Roe book) and you need to take a
very methodical approach to changing only one thing at a time and testing
the results before moving on to another change.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:15:47 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68 12 bolt

OK so from the FAQ and some threads on the list I
gather that the Olds 12 bolt you can't get aftermarket
parts for (posi's etc.) and doesn't interchange internally
with the ch*vy 12 bolt.  Am I right?  Saw an add on
442.com for a 68 12 bolt with 10 bolt internals which
they said was very rare and a 68 only thing.  Has
anyone ever heard of this?  How can you identify one
of these.
__________

You're talking about the Type O axle, made by Olds from 67-70.  It can be
identified by a 12 bolt cover, but unlike the Type C 12 bolt the cover is
smooth (Chevy 12 bolts have an inverted "V" stamped into the cover).  The
Type O does, unfortunately, use only 10 bolts to hold the ring gear to the
carrier, and yes, these parts (carrier, gears, bearings) are unique to this
axle.  The Type O ring gear is 8.5" in diameter, while the Type C is
8.875".  The other major difference is that the Type C uses the dreaded
C-clip retainers on the inboard end to hold the axles in place, with the
result that if you snap an axle on the drag strip, there is nothing left to
hold it in the housing.  The Type O axle uses the much more desireable
outboard axle retention, which is why you hear about "Olds axle ends" being
installed on Chevy axles.  The Note that Canadian-built A-bodies in 1968
actually got the Type C 12 bolt.

A question for the list:  What are the differences between the 8.5"
diameter ring gear used in the 67-70 Type O axles and the 8.5" diameter
ring gear used in the 71-up "corporate" 10 bolt axles?  It sure would be
sweet if there were a way to adapt the corporate stuff to the Type O.  Greg
R?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:17:51 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

Was a wing ever available from the factory for convertibles?
_______

No (except on the 69 H/O converts), but many were dealer installed.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:24:27 -0700
From: karoe@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

Norm Baier wrote:


>> Was a wing ever available from the factory for convertibles?

Don't think the wing was ever on any ragtop from the factory. In any
factory pics or documentation of convertibles, not one has a wing on it.
Dont even see the wing on any of the 72 pace car convertibles either.
I'd have to side with the "looks only" comments.
My convertible came with a wing on it from the previous owner. Dont think
that he did any mods to it ---
     >>>>>> The "rake" of the trunk on a convertible is very different than
that of a coupe. You can tell by
                     looking at my trunk that the angle of the wing as
mounted does not match the angle of the
          trunk (comes really close on the coupes) which is what adds to
the aesthetics I think.
Anyway, mine is coming off, decklid and wing as one unit. I have 2 other
decklids to refinish to get it back to "the way it was".  The younger boys
in my family like the wing, and for me its a take-it or leave-it on a
convertible.
I think its way boss on the coupes.

Kyle
'70 442 ragtop

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:44:06 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 68 12 bolt

All of the 'O' type 12 bolt rears ('67-'70) have ten bolt carriers. The 
"'68 only" refers to the number of splines on the axles. They have more 
splines and are a little stonger for it.

Ch*vy 12 bolt stuff will not work.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S (Mr. Hankey, the Cutlass Poo)

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:41:24 -0600
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: welding exhaust divider/milling exhausts

Now that I've got my 425 apart and have the B-castings on my
workbench, I want to either weld the center divider or have it milled
flush.  I believe Ken Snyder made reference to Dave Smith Engineering
suggesting milling be done.  Several people on the list have made
postings on welding in the past.

For those of you who have had the exhausts welded or done it yourself,
what were the costs and/or how hard was it to do yourself?  I have
access to oxy/acet. and have welded-up an exhaust bowl on a 302 head in
the past(it held), but that was relatively small.

For those who believe in milling, are w taking removing material
perpendicular to the normal of the head-exhaust manifold surface, or at
an angle to reduce the exhaust port bend?  In eiher event, how much epth
of cut are we talking? Just enough to remove the gap or more?  Any
modifications to the header bolt holes on the heads neciessary?  I know
the header flanges must be modified.


Any input from those who have walk here before would be much
appreciated.  I plan to drop the 425 in my '65 442 this spring, so I'll
either do or have the work done betwen January and March.

Thanks.

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:08:50 EST
From: "Norm Baier" <nbaier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

Thanks Joe and Kyle,

That's what I had thought... that the wing was not available as a 
factory option. I also 
agree that the rake of a wing intended for a coupe, mounted on a 
convertible decklid, 

might not look right due to the rake. Might a 69 HO wing (repro in this 
case) be an 

alternative on say, a 72 convert? Or, a wing originally intended for a 
GTO convert?

Norm Baier

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From:	Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date:	Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:17:51 -0500
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Was a wing ever available from the factory for convertibles?
_______

No (except on the 69 H/O converts), but many were dealer installed.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30





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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:50:34 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: More Edelbrock Stuff

>I know that this was a thread a while back, but I'm wondering if anyone has
>any new/rehashed comments on...
>
>EDELBROCK ALUMINUM BB OLDS HEADS
>
>Specifically, I would like to know if anyone has them (and what they
>think), how they compare to a worked set of "C" heads, if the order time
>has been reduced, and if they are worth the money (last time I think they
>were $1200/pair?).

========================

I'm putting them on a 425.

Got them from Dick Miller:  http://www.mspmall.com/dmr/

Flow bench results showed that basicaly compared to a "C" head the Intakes
tested about the same and the Exhaust showed a good improvement.

I made a table of the data, snapped a screen shot and saved it as a JPEG.
The file is about 250k.

If anybody wants to see the data just e-mail me privately and I'll send you
the JPEG.

Dick ended up doing some porting.  The 2nd flow test should be finished in
a week or so.  I'll make that data available too.

BTW I think Dick has a set for sale.

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:19:43 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: 68 taillight styles.

Hi Listers, 

what kind of taillights did the 68 cutlass s have? I am having two 
different kinds of taillights. One with a chrome ring around the lens 
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like this [_____] and one without chrome more shaped like this [__|__].
The second one has more of an internal structure to the plastic.

I would like to have identical taillights. Someone offered me one with 
the chrome. Would that be an original setup?

Regards, George

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:06:03 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: He's alive

Hi gang,
Yes I'm alive and back on real time mode for now, I'm still getting digests
at home which have been read sparingly.  And for those of you that remember
me, yes I know my name is spelled incorrectly in the email (keep your
comments to yourself Dave Wyatt :)  I asked about getting that corrected so
I don't have to remember to spell my name incorrectly to log onto the
network, but I've been told that at least I have an ID so we'll see.
Well lets see, the W-31 has been parked for the winter, although the 70
degree weekend was very tempting to get the car out but I had other things
to do.  Don Sowers, Dave Wyatt and son, myself and a coworker went to a
junqueyard east of Indy last month.  Picked myself up a set of SSII, the
bolt on center cap variety.  I also found a 15" bolt on center SSII, just
need to find another now so I have a pair to mount BFG Drag Radials.  I also
grabbed a set of bucket seats from a 72 supreme, which turned out to have
covers from a 69 GTO on them, but hey they are in pretty solid shape.
I'm still in the process of researching parts for the rebuild of the
original motor in my W-31, which was planned for next spring, but that may
be put on hold as we are looking to move to Indy where I work so I don't
have to commute 90 miles one way.
Well, that's the readers digest version of what's been going on lately.

Later,
Chris Smetana    <- the correct spelling of the last name
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:10:13 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: wing/spoiler/make it look better

> Out of curosity I wonder how the downforce numbers compare for some of
> the other rear wings, i.e., the GSX, Dodge Charger Daytona/Plymouth
> Superbird, current renditions of the f-body GM cars (F-bird and C-maro)
> and others with winged rears as opposed to the Oldsmobile rear wings.  I
> would be surprised if the Mopar wings weren't the most useful for this
> purpose as they were specifically designed for NASCAR.  Some vehicles
> 
	I read an article that said the Superbird wing was ~very~ effective.
Of course the 'nose cone' frontend probably helped too.  Dont' recall actual
numbers, though, I'd have to find the article again

	Chris Smetana
	Terre Haute, IN
	http://www.abcs.com/chris

	1969 W-31
	1969 4-4-2 parts car
	plus others  

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:21:57 -0500
From: "Mark Thurman" <Thurman@kvnet.org>
Subject: "Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:50:47 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....

<snip> 95% of the time me and my friends (and even sometimes people we meet
at the light) go out into the country.  <snip>  At night it is almost
deserted.  There is lots of room and the limit is 75 mph.  We race to 85 or
90 but that is it.  <snip>  The best is to go into the country. <snip> 

Although it sounds like your "country" (well lit - speed limit 75) and my
"country" (unlit - speed limit 45; aka - "the sticks") are quite different,
I thought I'd throw my .02 in here.  Except for just a few years, I have
lived in the same "general" area all my life but the traffic patterns in
this area have changed dramatically in the last 5 years.  Not only has the
motorized traffic increased (along with the speeds of that traffic -
everybody thinks seat belts and/or air bags are all-protecting) but our
biggest change has been the large influx of Amish horse & buggy traffic.  I
have run up on two buggys (one at ~ 8 pm, one at ~ 7 am) in the last year.
Both instances were my fault (not driving 45mph - but not "excessively
speeding") & both were too close for my comfort.  I've done my share of
"country" racing in the past & probably will in the future, the only point
I'm trying to make is: please take a minute & think about who else might be
on that "country" road. 

In other news: I put 15 pictures I took at the '98 Oldsmobile Nationals on
my web page - the link is under the "What's New?" section of:
http://members.tripod.com/MT13

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:20:39 +1100 (EST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....

Here in the Dakota's, we always run em out in the country. We might
fool around a little at stop lights, but then if we really wanna run,
we head either south or north of town. We have someone (with an
accurate odometer) mark out the quarter and then sit at the finish
line. This not only gives us a fairly accurate 1/4 mile, it also makes
sure that the roadway is clear of garbage, animals, and cops. We
usually get anywhere from 2-8 runs and then we leave before the fuzz
show.




- ---"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com> wrote:
>
>   I don't think the guy in
> >the
> >pickup ever saw what hit him.  The police couldn't pinpoint the
speed but
> >said they were going "well in excess of 100 mph" as both cars slammed
> >into the truck that pulled in front of them.  I am the last one to
be a
> >safety
> >nazi since I'm just as guilty as everyone else but just keep things
in
> >perspective, and if your going to race on the street, be safe about
it.
> Use
> >your head before it goes through the windshield.

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:38:42 +1100 (EST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455

It's not too far fetched. If any of you read Hot Rod, you will
remember from a few months back that they had an issue with GM's
secret cars. Well, they had my dream car. A 1981 Chevy Citation with
dual 3.0 L V-6's. One under the hood and the other in the hatch. I use
to own a 81 Citation with the 2.8 L V-6. It was a 4 speed. Ayways, I
raced a 86 Trans Am (completely stock) and he couldn't take me. Kept
right next to him all the way up till both our speedos banked the 85
MPH. Now, dual 3.0's making it 4WD......*shuddering*........someday.....




- ---"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> >Although, imagine a '81 Delta with a 455
> >>in the front and a complete, detailed 307 in the trunk just for
show.
> That
> >>would be cool.  Just joking.
> >
> >
> >No, that really would be cool.
> 
> 
> It would be kind of neat.  But then imagine the work.  Pull the gas
tank and
> install a remote fuel cell (a decent size one to feed the 455). 
Boost the
> car so that the oil pan would not hit the rear-end.  Cut the trunk,
weld
> some kind of frame to bolt on the 307.  Since you are already there,
add a
> cooling system and a toronado transaxle and make it functional. 
Heck, why
> put a 307 when you can have a 455.  I could turn my "daily driver"
Delta
> into a 4-wheel drive, dual 455 like that Cutlass from the 70s.  Ohhh,
> dreams, dreams.  Hell, these dreams are doing a pretty good job
keeping me
> from studying for my Accounting final on Friday.  I always post a
lot of
> questions/comments before finals/tests.  It is some sub-concerns way
of
> keeping myself from studying.  GOD DAMN OLDSMOBILES AGAIN.
> 
> 

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile

1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:49:15 PST
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olds stereo

Hello fellow Olds lovers I recently purchased a 70 Cutlass Supreme with 
a virgin dashboard that no damn kids have hacked up for some 20 dollar 
half broken stereo and I remember my brother's 71 Cutlass Supreme had an 
underdash tape player.  I was wondering if someone out there has one 
they could sell me at a decent price or a company that sells these.  I 
have A CD player that I want to install in the car and I refuse to HACK 
UP the dash in my Olds and I know for a fact that the CD player fits 
well into the underdash tape player.  If anyone has one PLEASE let me 
know.  Keep in mind I don't care what color and I don't want the tape 
player just the mounting brackets and the whole rest of the setup and 
case that holds the tape player.


70 CUTLASS SUPREME
78 CUTLASS SUPREME

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:50:38 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: found in the Cincinnati Enquirer

Oldsmobile 442 1968. 400 4-brrl, 4 speed, recently rebuilt, all
original, runs & drives
 excellent. $3000/obo. Call Rick after 4pm Phone:513-635-7581

Oldsmobile Tornado 1976. Less than 53kmiles, good condition $2850/obo.
Phone:513-742-3571 before 9pm

Oldsmobile Cutlass S 1968. Conv, runs good, all original, excellent for
restoration, $1750.Phone: 513-737-4780

From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mahahn@fuse.net]

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:49:08 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....

>   Igor,
>   With the much lower 1st gear in the 700R4 and the 4:10s you`d really
>have some traction problems then. Re-Engineered rear suspension and 30+"
>slicks may be in order!

Without a doubt.  Now I have 2.48 first and 3.23 rear.  That is 8.104 x
450ft-lb = 3065 ft-lb.  With the 3.06 first and 4.10, that would be 12.55 x
450 = 5648 ft-lb.  No way that traction would be possible.  Anyway, I think
that th700 and 3.43s or 3.55s would make a great cruiser.  Even though OD
exists, 4.10s would still make it rev a bit more then I want even with OD.

>   I`m considering the 700R4 as well but will likely keep my 3:36s. It`s
>tuff trying to split the difference but look at the fun yer havin.
>

I would.  You would get nice cruise and still a deep first.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:04:32 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: 68 442 ?

Hey everyone
I know of a '68 '442' for sale near my hometown. It needs restored. The guy
says it's an original 442 with a 400/2bbl, automatic on column, bench seat,
rearend unknown. It's (I think) white/white. Did they make a 442 with a
2bbl?? doesn't one of the 4's in 442 stand for 4bbl? The guy claims to have
documentation. He says it runs good. Asking $1500. Is this a cutlass. Is it
worth it.
By the way, How are the 400's on power. Are they very strong? I've never
had the opertunity to ride in one.

Ed
The Omega Man

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:13:10 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 ?

OK, first, where is 'near my hometown' in case people are interested?
Second, the 2bbl is the turnpike option on the 4-4-2, perfectly legit, 67
and 68 availability I believe and yes one of the 4's stands for 4bbl.
As for the 'is this a cutlass' question well, the dataplate will probably
show it's a cutlass, but it's the vin you should be concerned with, they've
been known not to correspond.  And my guess is the 400s are very good on
power.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

> ----------
> From: 	Gene Gilpin[SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:04 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	68 442 ?
> 
> Hey everyone
> I know of a '68 '442' for sale near my hometown. It needs restored. The
> guy
> says it's an original 442 with a 400/2bbl, automatic on column, bench
> seat,
> rearend unknown. It's (I think) white/white. Did they make a 442 with a
> 2bbl?? doesn't one of the 4's in 442 stand for 4bbl? The guy claims to
> have
> documentation. He says it runs good. Asking $1500. Is this a cutlass. Is
> it
> worth it.
> By the way, How are the 400's on power. Are they very strong? I've never
> had the opertunity to ride in one.
> 
> Ed
> The Omega Man
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:13:18 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

Might a 69 HO wing (repro in this case) be an alternative on say, a 72
convert? Or, a wing originally intended for a GTO convert?
_______

Can't speak to the GTO wing, but the 69 H/O wing is the same as the 70-72
wing as far as the shape and rake.  Don't know if the pedestals were
reworked by Hurst on the two (really three) converts or not.  Mike Rothe?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:10:17 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

The guy says it's an original 442 with a 400/2bbl, automatic on column,
bench seat, rearend unknown. It's (I think) white/white. Did they make a
442 with a 2bbl??
__________

Yep, that combo _was_ a factory option in 68, sort of a Turnpike Cruiser
engine for the 442.  I almost bought one of these when I was in high school
(back when I had my 425-powered VC).  Note also that while buckets were
standard in the 442, the bench was a $68 credit.  Also, when you got the
TH400, the column shift was standard and the floor shift with console was
optional.  Of course, ultimately, you can verify that it's a real 442 if
the VIN starts out 3344....

Yes, 442 stands for 400 (from 65-on), 4bbl, dual exhaust, but that would
make the 66 tripower cars 462s, and the 70 cars 4-and-a-half42s.  We won't
talk about the 2bbl, V6, five speed cars of the late 70s...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:12:30 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

that 68 442 has the option called "turnpike cruiser"  400 2brl., 2.56 highway
gears .

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:20:20 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: 68 442 ?

OK, first, where is 'near my hometown' in case people are interested?
Second, the 2bbl is the turnpike option on the 4-4-2, perfectly legit, 67
and 68 availability I believe and yes one of the 4's stands for 4bbl.
As for the 'is this a cutlass' question well, the dataplate will probably
show it's a cutlass, but it's the vin you should be concerned with, they've
been known not to correspond.  And my guess is the 400s are very good on
power.

Chris Smetana
__________

Chris, long time no email!

A couple of minor corrections.   First, keep in mind that there are two
Olds 400s, the 65-67 short stroke motor, which is awsome (NHRA C/Stock
champ in 1966), and the 68-69 small bore long stroke motor, which tends to
suck.  The combination of a 3.87" bore and a 4.125" stroke is not conducive
to high horsepower.  Of course, "suck" is a relative term, and the later
400 will make a perfectly good street motor, but...

Second, while the 2bbl turnpike cruiser motor _was_ a 442 option in 68,
wasn't it only available in the Cutlass or Supreme in 67?  Not sure on this
one, I'll have to check.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:21:33 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

Ed, 

By what you tell us this is not a 442. The easiest way to tell is the 
vin. Get the vin over the phone and look it up in the vin decoder 
homepage: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/

I am not an expert that is why I would go with the vin but I think these 
things are all non 442:
- - 2 bbl
- - 400 ci
- - bench seat

I am sure there will be replies from people with more 442 specific 
knowledge. Originally 442 was for 4 bll, 4 speed, dual exhaust but this 
is a term from the first 442 and has not to be true later where 442 was 
basically the sports model with all kindsa specs.

Most people will tell you that there are no 442's for 1500 bucks and in 
this case it does not look like it really is one. If it is a cutlass it 
is a fine car too but getting a clone back to the original cutlass may be 
harder then buying a real cutlass...

So long, 
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Gene Gilpin wrote:

> Hey everyone
> I know of a '68 '442' for sale near my hometown. It needs restored. The guy
> says it's an original 442 with a 400/2bbl, automatic on column, bench seat,
> rearend unknown. It's (I think) white/white. Did they make a 442 with a
> 2bbl?? doesn't one of the 4's in 442 stand for 4bbl? The guy claims to have
> documentation. He says it runs good. Asking $1500. Is this a cutlass. Is it
> worth it.
> By the way, How are the 400's on power. Are they very strong? I've never
> had the opertunity to ride in one.
> 
> Ed
> The Omega Man
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:26:42 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 ?

Damn, answered every one of my questions. 'Near my hometown' is southern
central Pennsylvania. Shellsburg, PA to be exact is where the car is. If
anyone is interested in this car I can check it's availability and find the
phone number. I'm not trying to help this guy sell a car, but I'll help an
Olds guy locate one.

Ed
The Omega Man

2-'74's




At 02:13 PM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, first, where is 'near my hometown' in case people are interested?
>Second, the 2bbl is the turnpike option on the 4-4-2, perfectly legit, 67
>and 68 availability I believe and yes one of the 4's stands for 4bbl.
>As for the 'is this a cutlass' question well, the dataplate will probably
>show it's a cutlass, but it's the vin you should be concerned with, they've
>been known not to correspond.  And my guess is the 400s are very good on
>power.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>> ----------
>> From: 	Gene Gilpin[SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
>> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: 	Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:04 PM
>> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: 	68 442 ?
>> 
>> Hey everyone
>> I know of a '68 '442' for sale near my hometown. It needs restored. The
>> guy
>> says it's an original 442 with a 400/2bbl, automatic on column, bench
>> seat,
>> rearend unknown. It's (I think) white/white. Did they make a 442 with a
>> 2bbl?? doesn't one of the 4's in 442 stand for 4bbl? The guy claims to
>> have
>> documentation. He says it runs good. Asking $1500. Is this a cutlass. Is
>> it
>> worth it.
>> By the way, How are the 400's on power. Are they very strong? I've never
>> had the opertunity to ride in one.
>> 
>> Ed
>> The Omega Man
>> 
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:30:39 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

dont pay attention to the guys that say its not a 442  its what i said it was
and 442s did come with bench seats and the 2brl if you wanted that turnpike
cruiser option.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:52:12 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: horn relay

Karl, 

I haven't looked at a horn relay lately. Not sure what, if anything, is so 
special about it. Have you already ordered the mega-$ horn relay?

Reason I'm axing these dim-bulb questions is-------- I happen to have a 
small pile of various relays laying around my garage. The ones I have are 
all brand new. 

I guess I should look at my car's horn relay & see what the fork it is. If 
one of my spares is useable in that application you're welcome to one fer free.

roger

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:44:17 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: wing/spoiler/make it look better - for convertibles?

> Might a 69 HO wing (repro in this case) be an alternative on say, a 72
> convert? Or, a wing originally intended for a GTO convert?
> 
Just an FYI, there were 2 GTO wings.  One on the 69 Judge, the other on the
70 and later Judge and GTO for that matter.  Actually 3 wings if you count
the ultra rare duck tail spoiler (yeah I know it's a spoiler) from 72 that
Pontiac say they never made.  but I've seen one in person, pretty cool
looking.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
1966 GTO
1966 GTO parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:49:15 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 ?

> Chris, long time no email!
Yes, I know, feels good to be back.

> A couple of minor corrections.   First, keep in mind that there are two
> Olds 400s, the 65-67 short stroke motor, which is awsome (NHRA C/Stock
Yes I know.

> to high horsepower.  Of course, "suck" is a relative term, and the later
> 400 will make a perfectly good street motor, but...
Agreed

> Second, while the 2bbl turnpike cruiser motor _was_ a 442 option in 68,
> wasn't it only available in the Cutlass or Supreme in 67?  Not sure on
> this
> one, I'll have to check.
I didn't know, which is why I asked, but I think you might be right about
the 67 Supreme turnpike cruiser as I recall reading about one of these
sometime back.

BTW Joe, how's the 69 4-4-2 coming along?  And other things?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:51:33 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

I believe ya man. I believe ya. Is $1500 a good price for the thing? I know
the turnpike cruiser ain't no W-30 but would it be a strong runner? If
anyone want's the lowdown on this car I'll be up that way and can check it
out. What should I look for? 
By the way, since I have all your attentions, If anyone has any '73-'74
Omega crap laying around you don't want, let me know. Anything, magazine
articles, literature, NOS parts. Whatever.


Ed 
The Omega Man

2-'74 Omega 455's




At 02:30 PM 12/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>dont pay attention to the guys that say its not a 442  its what i said it was
>and 442s did come with bench seats and the 2brl if you wanted that turnpike
>cruiser option.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:48:05 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: 5.0 Mustang Vs. 455

In a message dated 12/9/98 9:48:05 PM Central Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< I once raced a T-bird (early 90s), he got my by 1.5
 car-lengths off the line cause the friggin car would not hook at even 1/2.
 The T-bird spun the tires as well but still had way more traction. >>


   Dont feel bad! My wife drives a '93 Thunderbird SuperCoupe(supercharged 3.8
v-6), and it will eat a lot of cars' lunches. It has run a best of 14.20 at
110mph. All that has been changed is the "huffer" pulley...from 6lbs. to 9lbs.

Collyn Eastham
65 Cutlass
65 442
65 Shelby Cobra
66 Mustang GT(k-code)
93 Thunderbird
97 LandRover Disco

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:50:11 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Q 4 the fellow stereo buffs

In a message dated 12/9/98 9:48:51 PM Central Standard Time, MFATZII@aol.com
writes:

<< 
 Now for the prob. The deck, when connected to power reads (insert Security
 Disk) I understand that once a disk is used for the security programming of
 the deck that it must always remain the security disk (no other disk will
 work) If  10 different disks are inserted trying to get the deck to work then
 the deck is automatically void for use until sent to the manfu. for
 recalibration.  Obviously since there are trillions of different titles out
 there we wil never figure out what disk is the security disk.....
 
 Is there a way to use the deck (for purposes other than a wheel chok) by
 somehow over-riding the security code? Internally? Externally?
 
  >>


Yes!...There is a lithium back-up battery in the main curcuit board...remove
it more 5 mins. and the deck will ask for a personalized security disc upon
first powerup.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:04:39 -0800
From: Roy Rutz <ROYR@cdpr.ca.gov>
Subject: Re: 67 Cutlass Info Needed -Reply

Thanks to all who responded.  Collectively, I think that it gives me a pretty
clear picture of what I have.   I'll probably be back with other challenges
from time to time.  you all have been a big help to me 
royr

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:01:39 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

Yep, they did make a 2 barrel 4-4-2 in '68.  It was called a Turnpike Cruiser
(same name Mercury used in the 50's) and came with the 2 barrel 400, auto
trans (TH400) and a set of highway gears (2.73 or something) in the rear end.
It was intended to be a gentleman's 4-4-2.  Something with the looks and
handling of the regular 4-4-2, but more forgiving in the driving department
for highway use.  I used to have one with a transplanted 360 horse 455 in it.
I never did see the top end because the car would get loose on the road before
it ran out of engine.  Fastest ride I have ever taken.  The 2 barrel engine
won't rip up asphalt, but it is still fun to drive.  If I had the cash and the
opportunity, I would buy one just because they are unusual.  The only
difference between a Turnpike Cruiser 4-4-2 and a regular 4-4-2 is the engine
and rear gearing.  All other trim is the same.  Mine even had the vertical
fender stripes.  Check out the VIN and other numbers as usual before buying
just as a precaution to be sure.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:08:47 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Q 4 the fellow stereo buffs

In a message dated 12/10/98 12:12:24 AM Central Standard Time,
LooseCanno@aol.com writes:

<< Anyone who helps a guy install a stolen stereo is NOT cool. >>


He DIDNOT say it was stolen...I have been in similar curcumstances buying from
Pawnshops!

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:07:24 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac....

In a message dated 12/9/98 11:49:52 PM Central Standard Time,
mbloomer@gateway.net writes:

<< I would like to remind everyone that street racing can be very dangerous
 (have personally seen bystanders get killed) and if your going to do it
 be smart about it.  Do it away from cross traffic, pedestrians (ESPECIALLY
 CHILDREN), and of course the fuzz.  When I was 18 got clocked at 82 in
 a 35 back in Virginia.  Was easily convicted of Reckless Driving, sentenced
 to 10 days in jail, $400 fine, and 6 months suspended license and I deserved
 it.  I was out messing around by myself (wasn't even racing someone else)
 and got caught.  Never saw the cop cuz he was down a side street and just
 happened to clock me (I got off the gas at 110 and the cop caught up at a
 red light 5 minutes later).  Thankfully I've never been the cause of any
 catastrophy behind the wheel but back in VA I just happened to be present
 with a friend when two guys decided to run.  Wasn't much traffic and they
 pulled up to the stoplight.  Light went green and they went.  As they came
 to
 a red stoplight neither one let off and apparently neither saw the pickup
 that
 was sitting on the cross street waiting to turn.  I don't think the guy in
 the
 pickup ever saw what hit him.  The police couldn't pinpoint the speed but
 said they were going "well in excess of 100 mph" as both cars slammed
 into the truck that pulled in front of them.  I am the last one to be a
 safety
 nazi since I'm just as guilty as everyone else but just keep things in
 perspective, and if your going to race on the street, be safe about it.  Use
 your head before it goes through the windshield.
  >>


...VERY well put "mbloomer". I was in a similar situation when I was
17...81Camaro
w/ 427 and TH-400. I wasn't locked up, but I did loose my liscense till I was
18 (9months) and the luxury of driving any vehicle larger than a 4
cylinder(89ford escort GT's are hard to meet girls in...haha) till the age of
21. I also witnessed a wicked crash at our local street racing strip. we used
the line both sides of a old 2-lane blacktop outside of Waco Texas and had
some nitrous "trailer cars" rub door handles causing them each to sweep the
sides of thier respective lanes of cars AND people! 7 killed ...lots to drunk
to feel anything. I was always at the startingline, so Im here to tell
about(thank God). Last friday night, here in Dallas, there was a HUGE street
racing raid by the cops...from three adjoining cities...something like 200+
citations were issued...everyone got AT LEAST one! driving or not! I am a
little under the weather, or I would have been there myself(thankGod...again).

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:16:34 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

In a message dated 98-12-10 14:30:21 EST, you write:

<< Damn, answered every one of my questions. 'Near my hometown' is southern
 central Pennsylvania. Shellsburg, PA to be exact is where the car is. If
 anyone is interested in this car I can check it's availability and find the
 phone number. I'm not trying to help this guy sell a car, but I'll help an
 Olds guy locate one. >>

What large city is Shellsburg, PA  near?  I can't find it on my map.

Lou
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:19:31 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: "Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac

>biggest change has been the large influx of Amish horse & buggy >traffic.
I have run up on two buggys (one at ~ 8 pm, one at ~ 7 am)

Been there.....done that!  It's like a buggy slalom course around here.
(Lancaster County, PA)  And be careful, they rarely stop for stop signs.
Many accidents have occurred here that never would have happened if they had
just stopped for the sign. When an 18 wheeler and a buggy meet..........it
ain't a pretty sight.

my few cents,
Randy

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:15:53 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds stereo

In a message dated 12/10/98 12:52:03 PM Central Standard Time,
slater442w30@hotmail.com writes:

<< Hello fellow Olds lovers I recently purchased a 70 Cutlass Supreme with 
 a virgin dashboard that no damn kids have hacked up for some 20 dollar 
 half broken stereo and I remember my brother's 71 Cutlass Supreme had an 
 underdash tape player.  I was wondering if someone out there has one 
 they could sell me at a decent price or a company that sells these.  I 
 have A CD player that I want to install in the car and I refuse to HACK 
 UP the dash in my Olds and I know for a fact that the CD player fits 
 well into the underdash tape player.  If anyone has one PLEASE let me 
 know.  Keep in mind I don't care what color and I don't want the tape 
 player just the mounting brackets and the whole rest of the setup and 
 case that holds the tape player.
  >>


You can buy complete under dash housings to hold anysize modern cd
tuner...they look ugly, but not nearly as bad as a hacked up unrestoreable
classic car dashboard!

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:33:17 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 ?

I Wouldn't say 'large city' but Shellsburg is located on RT-30 East/West
just about in between Somerset and Bedford,PA (closer to Bedford). 45 or so
miles North of Cumberland, MD. 35 or so mi. South of Johnstown, PA. That
should put you roughly in the area on the map. If that don't help. Look for
I-70 (PA Turnpike) Bedford is exit 11. The car is on a back country road 3
miles from Shellsburg.

Ed
The Omega Man









At 03:16 PM 12/10/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-12-10 14:30:21 EST, you write:
>
><< Damn, answered every one of my questions. 'Near my hometown' is southern
> central Pennsylvania. Shellsburg, PA to be exact is where the car is. If
> anyone is interested in this car I can check it's availability and find the
> phone number. I'm not trying to help this guy sell a car, but I'll help an
> Olds guy locate one. >>
>
>What large city is Shellsburg, PA  near?  I can't find it on my map.
>
>Lou
>69 442 W-30
>
>

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:42:10 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: In need of:

>Hello all, I am in need of a manual steering box for my '75 Cutlass. Also,
>I had someone tell me at the local racing shop that I can replace my power
>brake master cylinder with a manual brake master cylinder, do away with
>the booster, change the brake push rod (shorter) and that's all I need to
>do to convert to manual disk brakes. I was under the assumption, that
>there were other necessary changes as well. Can anyone address this issue?
>
>Before the question comes, my cam is too big for power brakes, and I want
>the weight reduction of the manual steering.


I am running manual brakes and steering in my '85 Cutlass Salon.  Chevy
S-10 manual steering gears bolt right in. they are very plentiful in
salvage yards. For brakes I used a 79 Lemans manual master cylinder and
pedal assembly. I don't think this will work for you on a '75

Besides weight reduction, you get more power to the rear wheels by not
spinning a P/S pump. My cam also has too much duration for power brakes.

I also deleted the heater/A/C box and installed an aluminum plate where the
box was.  Without P/S, A/C and power brakes, the engine compartment looks
really clean with just a big brawny 455 sittin in there!

While everyone is speaking traction and racing Mustangs and Firebirds, I
also removed the front sway bar and retained the rear one. The rear one
keeps the car level on initial launch. The front comes way up and the car
has a nice weight transfer.  Also (especislly for Igor where it is cold,)
Heat the living crap out of your rear tires before doing these full
throttle launches.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer  12.41@108.82MPH
92 Seville STS

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:47:08 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: "Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac

Maybe if they put W-30 emblems on those buggies they'd go faster. Just a
thought.

Ed
The Omega Man








At 03:19 PM 12/10/98 -0000, you wrote:
>>biggest change has been the large influx of Amish horse & buggy >traffic.
>I have run up on two buggys (one at ~ 8 pm, one at ~ 7 am)
>
>Been there.....done that!  It's like a buggy slalom course around here.
>(Lancaster County, PA)  And be careful, they rarely stop for stop signs.
>Many accidents have occurred here that never would have happened if they had
>just stopped for the sign. When an 18 wheeler and a buggy meet..........it
>ain't a pretty sight.
>
>my few cents,
>Randy
>
>
>

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