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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, December 9 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1652



RE: Joining!
Re: Brake swap. Drum to disc ?
Edelbrock carbs
RE: Re: Stuff 4 sale
Re: Rechroming
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Re: Johnny Lightnings
RE: Re: model info
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: Rechroming
Re: question
Re: BOP Show
Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Parting '67 Cutlass Supreme...
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap
Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops
Re: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Paint Schemes
Re: Paint Schemes
Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap
Re: F-85 Omega?
More Edelbrock Stuff
RE: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Pearl White/White
Re: Bumper reconditioning
Re: model info
Re: F-85 Omega?
Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Everyone lists their cars
RE: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold
Re: Paint Schemes
Re: Bumper reconditioning
Re: compression test
Re: Head bolt torque specs/blown gasket/best heads
RE: compression test
SB single plane manifold
Re: Edelbrock carbs
Re: Air Bags (what are they)
Re: Bumper reconditioning
Re: Bumper reconditioning
Re: Paint Schemes
Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
Tire Recommendation
Re: More Edelbrock Stuff
Re: model info
Re: Tire Recommendation
Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"
Re: model info
Re: Tire Recommendation
Re: F-85 info desired
Re: Paint Schemes
Re: Paint Schemes

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:02:33 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Joining!

You mean summit's address?  webmaster@summitracing.com
www.summitracing.com
Or do you mean where to send my ax-mas gift?

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:13 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Joining!


Thanks, buddy, whats your address exactly, want to make sure you get it.
Along with the letter bomb! Do you know their address, I saved it but it's
six months old, doesn't work.
Lou

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> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Joining!
> Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 7:59 PM

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:03:58 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Brake swap. Drum to disc ?

I've heard two different things on this.  Some people say that these
cars didn't have a proportioning valve, just a junction block and others
say what I believe that this is actually a proportioning valve.  When
I converted to disc's I used the one off the car I got the brakes from
(76 station wagon) which worked but not great.  The proportioning
valve is application specific which takes the following into account:
1) whether drum/drum, disc/drum, or disc/disc  2)  F/R wieght of the
vehicle and 3) the maximum braking force at each end of the vehicle
(as in disc diameter, drum width/diameter).  What I ended up doing
was to elimanate the factory junction block by straight plumbing the
lines and installing an adjustable proportioning valve.  Adjust it until
the rears lock up right before the fronts and your good to go.  Jeg's
list a Wilwood unit for $39.99.  If you used the factory 2 piece spindle
disc brakes (up to 72) you could use an original proportioning valve
from an original disc brake car but may be a pain to find.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Hello folks,
>I have a Q about the prop. valve used on my 72 olds holiday coupe.
>
>I'm swapping from Manual drum to Power disc on the front and need to know
if
>there was a different prop. valve used for the power disc cars.
>
>Is this swap detailed in the FAQ ? I'm having trouble finding out about the
>prop. valve usage.
>
>Thanks alot,
>Donny A.
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:09:31 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Edelbrock carbs

First, thanks to all for answering my question about storage prices
around the country. That project will take more deliberation I think.
Re: Edelbrook carbs on BB Olds engines. What`s the story? How come there
seems to be no mention of them being used much? They look like a Carter
to me and I was under the impression Carter made some good performance
carbs.

Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:17:12 -0500
From: drolds@net1plus.com
Subject: RE: Re: Stuff 4 sale

>In a message dated 98-11-18 13:28:15 EST, you write:
>
>> 1970
>>  Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
>> Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
>> Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
>> Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
>> Lower Dash AC Vents (none 8 Track)>$100
>> Dual Gate Shifter(shifter only)>$150
>> Wheel Well Chrome (HC) complete set> $100
>> Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
>> Nos pass. side headlight frame(plastic)>  $75
>> 8 Track Complete (E me for details)>$100
>> Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $25 ea
>> Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $25 ea
>> F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
>> Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   
$20
>
>what cond. is the dual gate in and how much of it is 
there?    steven,
>w30442cs@aol.com
>Do you have any 1967w30STUFF???




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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:47:17 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming

Where is Custom Coatings located?
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'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba=====
====666=================999============
         666                                        999
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From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Rechroming


>> True, but there are vendors touting a triple plate (copper, nickel,
chrome)
>> plating of plastic parts which is allegedly much more durable than the
>> vacuum deposited aluminum normally used to "chrome" plastic.  I can only
>> assume that they first vac deposit the copper on the plastic then use the
>> copper's conductivity to complete the job.
>
>Exactly Joe.  That's what Custom Coatings does in Florida here.  Got my
>original H/O emblems rechromed using this process.  They somehow coat
>the plastic in a low temp copper plating solution, then buff smooth the
>copper, the plate it normally as you would a bumper.  Then polish to a
>brilliant reflection.  I can see that it's gonna hold up FAR better than
>the original plating did, and the cool part is that it doesn't look like
>some cheesy aftermarket repro.  Hence, with the coating of copper, then
>chrome, some of the superfine details suffer a bit compared to vacuum
>aluminizing, but for the H/O emblems, they look superb.
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:36:16 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

Why spend the money on a new carb when you can get an 
old Qjet or Holley for cheap and rebuild it yourself?  Most
people already have the Qjets and a rebuild kit is nothing
compared to $200 - $250 for a new Edelbrock.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Re: Edelbrook carbs on BB Olds engines. What`s the story? How come there
>seems to be no mention of them being used much? They look like a Carter
>to me and I was under the impression Carter made some good performance
>carbs.
>
>Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:29:03 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

mbloomer wrote:
> Anybody out there know of a
> single plane intake for small blocks?  Real long shot.
> 
> Mike B


Mike,
Years ago Holley offered a single plane for the small
block.  I can't remember if it was a Street Dominator
or a Strip Dominator.  I still see them at swap meets
from time to time.  Being one of those who never throws
anything away, I KNOW there is an old Holley catalog
around here somewhere.  I'll pass along more info as
soon as I can locate.

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:40:53 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightnings

         While i was at Toys-R-Us,  9 looking for the 66 442 model) i did see
the johnny Lighting set of street cars. They had 1970 442, and a 1973-74 ( not
sure ) Cutlass convertable. I didn't know they made that style body into a
convertable.......SCOTT

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:45:27 -0500
From: drolds@net1plus.com
Subject: RE: Re: model info

>Hey Everyone
>
>        We have over a dozen of the 66 W-30 models in 
stock. They are very hard
>to come by still but we got 2 cases of them. If anyone is 
interested and can't
>find them anywhere else (Hobbytown USA has them $13.00) we 
have them for $12.00
>ea. They are miuch nicer than the 67 W-30. Much more 
detailed, but there are
>some faults. Here they are. 
>
>1. Does not have the Ram Air Bezels for the front bumper
>2. The chrome breather is plain white plastic (not on the 
chrome tree) needs to
>be foil plated.
>3. Tires are too wide, unlike the 67's skinny redlines
>4. No color 442 stickers like the 67's
>
>Still a good model. There is also available for the 67 W-
30 kit a detail kit
>with etched metal emblems and rear trunk panel etc.. These 
are $13.00
>
>Regards
>Jim Chermack
>I have got to get a 1967442w30 model ( 2) if they are 
available?   drolds@net1plus.com




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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 22:54:22 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

mbloomer wrote:

> Why spend the money on a new carb when you can get an
> old Qjet or Holley for cheap and rebuild it yourself?  Most
> people already have the Qjets and a rebuild kit is nothing
> compared to $200 - $250 for a new Edelbrock.
>
> Mike B
> mbloomer@gateway.net
> ICQ# 19113713
> 72 Cutlass S (RIP)
> 68 Cutlass Supreme
>
> >Re: Edelbrook carbs on BB Olds engines. What`s the story? How come
> there
> >seems to be no mention of them being used much? They look like a
> Carter
> >to me and I was under the impression Carter made some good
> performance
> >carbs.
> >
> >Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400
> >
> >

   Mike,
   Good point. I did just run into a 750cfm dbl pr Edelbrock near new
for $175 though. Somehow Qjets scare me.Seems like they`re more
complicated. I like the Holley`s mechanical secondaries on the car now
but I`ve been told 650cfm is not optimum for somewhat built 70 455.
Could`nt it be dangerously lean on the top end? Been lookin for Holley
750#4779 or 800#4780. What do ya think? Am I on the wrong road? Respect
your opinion.Thanks, B.D.

Bob 69 Cutlass S 455/400

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:36:17 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming

person wrote:
> 
> Where is Custom Coatings located?

Tallahassee, FL  Advertises in Hemming's all the time, in the Services
section.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:38:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: question

Nice car you have there.  I am not trying to be negative but since it is 
not really considered a sports car so there is not really a after market 
for it YET!  We all wish that there was a olds mag but unfortunately 
there is not. Keep looking, but I doubt if you will find any parts 
supplies.


>I have a 1995 Cutlass Supreme convertible, and am wanting to know if
>Oldsmobile had a magazine like that of mustang 5.0. The reason I want 
to
>know is that I would like to be able to modify it in some way but I
>don't know what is out there. Mustang 5.0 has tons of mod stuff in it
>for all Mustangs, I am a Mustang buff too, and it would be cool to see
>if Oldsmobile has something like that. If you have any input as to 
this,
>please let me know. Thanks for your help.
>
>Chris Hansen
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:45:56 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: BOP Show

I icq'ed a frat bro of mine who lives in Orlando about it maybe I can 
find out for you.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:52:36 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

I am not 100% sure but I beleve it is now a swap meet part.
>
>> Would be nice to have a Performer RPM for the big guys though.
>> >
>> >Mike Rothe
>> >
>> Yeah, but you do get the Torker which we "little" guys don't get.
>>
>> Mike B
>> mbloomer@gateway.net
>> ICQ# 19113713
>> 72 Cutlass S (RIP)
>> 68 Cutlass Supreme
>
>  Does Edelbrock still make the Torker for the big Olds'?
>Sorry if this has already been adressed, I'm a couple days behind.
>
>Shane Gibreal
>


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:53:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Parting '67 Cutlass Supreme...

Picked this up in the newsgroups. Someone may be interested.

>Buyline:   1967 Oldsmobile CutlassSupreme parting out 72,000
>           mile car, excellent dash pad, posi rearend, 330
>           engine parts
>
>More Info: Dashpad w/ glovebox door $250, posi rearend $400, 4-v
>           carb $100, air cleaner $100, AM/FM radio $100, what
>           do you need? Call Ken @ (256)828-6848, if
>           no answer leave message and I'll call back. Thanks,
>           Ken

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:55:11 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

Bob,
It wouldn't run the engine lean unless you have the jets set lean.  The 
smaller carb would restrict flow into the engine and therefore power
and possibly max rpm but the carb would still meter the fuel properly
up until it hits it's 650 cfm.  Typically a smaller carb will give you
better throttle response at lower rpm while sacrificing max power
at WOT.  Many people overcarb the motors (ever seen a 1050 cfm
dominator on a 302?) which can lead to sluggish performance at
anything other than WOT.  Qjets are kind of new to me too but all the
knowledgeable people I've talked to say that for the street you can't
beat a Qjet in terms of driveability, it just takes a while to get used to 
the carb and dealing with metering rods.  Holleys are simple and 
great for racing but for a pure street car I think the Qjet is better.  The
4779 is probably the highest I would go for a street car though your
probably not loosing much compared to what you have (assuming
it's a 4777).  To go the cheap route you could smooth out the airflow
on the top of the carb and probably get it into the 700 cfm range but
that's just me.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>
>   Mike,
>   Good point. I did just run into a 750cfm dbl pr Edelbrock near new
>for $175 though. Somehow Qjets scare me.Seems like they`re more
>complicated. I like the Holley`s mechanical secondaries on the car now
>but I`ve been told 650cfm is not optimum for somewhat built 70 455.
>Could`nt it be dangerously lean on the top end? Been lookin for Holley
>750#4779 or 800#4780. What do ya think? Am I on the wrong road? Respect
>your opinion.Thanks, B.D.
>
>Bob 69 Cutlass S 455/400
>
>

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:59:26 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap

More trouble than it is worth. Just my 2 cents.




>Hi listers,
>	Since I'm seeing a lot of posts about steering column swaps, what do 
you
>think of this: I want to put the tilt column from my  85 Delta 88 
Royale
>Brougham (when it finally dies) in my 66 Dymamic 88 Convertible. This 
will
>give me the locking mechanism, cruise control, and high beam switch as 
an
>added benefit. Anybody got any advice on this one?
>				TIA
>				R. Kevin Noon
>				66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
>				85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham (for now)
>
>----------
>> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
>> To: monte-list@spots.ab.ca; gbody@listbot.com; 
ChevyEngines@listbot.com;
>oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; GBodyLover@aol.com
>> Subject: RE: G Body Steering wheel column swap
>> Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 6:03 PM
>> 
>> This is a straight forward swap that can be done in an afternoon. I
>believe
>> there are only four bolts holding the column in at the firewall.  And 
as
>far
>> as compatability with other g-bodies, don't worry about that.  You 
could
>> take a steering column from a 79 International Scout II and bolt it 
right
>> in, so yuo know that the g-body ones will interchange.  The wires and 
all
>> should have the same harness.  That's a GM standard.
>> And for fixing that not-returning turn signal, that definitely 
justifies
>a
>> swap.  All that needs to be replaced is a simple little spring, but 
you
>> can;t just buy a little spring.  You have to spend like a hundred 
bucks
>for
>> the whole assembly if you don't happen to have an extra spring lying
>around
>> already.  A whole column's probably cheaper!
>> What's a pin out problem?
>> 
>> Ray Costanzo
>> 87 409 Cutlass
>> Bucks County, PA
>> costanzo@netcarrier.com
>> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: GBodyLover@aol.com [mailto:GBodyLover@aol.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 5:41 AM
>> To: monte-list@spots.ab.ca; gbody@listbot.com; 
ChevyEngines@listbot.com;
>> oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: G Body Steering wheel column swap
>> 
>> 
>> The G-Body Organization Mailing List - http://www.g-body.org
>> 
>> I'm looking into the possibilities of replacing my stock non-tilt
>steering
>> column with a tilt model from another G body. From what I can see by
>reading
>> my Haynes manuel, there doesn't appear to be any differences in the
>columns
>> between the makes
>> (Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, Buick). Has anyone done this before? I know 
that I
>> can
>> probably expect some pin out problems, but if that's it, I'll be 
happy.
>How
>> hard is it to take the darn thing out anyway, I've been eyeballing 
mine
>and
>> it
>> looks pretty straight forward. This swap will give me the perfect
>> opportunity
>> to fix the broken left turn signal indicator (won't turn off after
>turning).
>> I
>> know that there is a really easy way to do this, but I have to 
justify
>the
>> swap somehow right?!?!?!?!
>> 
>> 
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:02:44 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap

wayyyyy too much work

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:01:58 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

One quesiton: Is a holley 650 double pumper too big for a 330 with an
Edelbrock perf rpm intake? alot of people said i'll be overcarbing the engine,
i doint think so thouhg
kelly erikcson

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:08:33 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

Bob,
You might want to check out this site.

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechServ/TechInfo/TI-225.html

It's Holley's Tech site and talks about carb size selection for 
double pumpers.  Lots of stuff to learn on this site.

Mike B

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:13:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

I have one one my 403 with a performer intake.  Other than the emissions 
heat riser (I think that is what it is called.)  The trottle arm hits 
it.  You will need to A) plane the intake, b) put a 1 1/2" spacer on it. 
The rpm works fine.  I do not know about a big block for sure.


>First, thanks to all for answering my question about storage prices
>around the country. That project will take more deliberation I think.
>Re: Edelbrook carbs on BB Olds engines. What`s the story? How come 
there
>seems to be no mention of them being used much? They look like a Carter
>to me and I was under the impression Carter made some good performance
>carbs.
>
>Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400
>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:34:22 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops

I might be interested. Where is it located?

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:37:19 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: For sale: 1986 442 w/T-tops

me too

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:42:04 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

Kelly,
According to the Holley website a 350 with a stock converter would need
just short of a 700.  Looks like a 330 would hit 650 right on the head.
Especially if you're running a looser converter.  They use a simple chart
which apparently works.  There are other formula's I've seen that take
more into consideration like at
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/math.html
which says that you should run between a 650 and 700 carb.  This assumes
a 6500 to 7000 rpm redline (you got a forged crank, right?) and you've built
the engine according to their performer rpm specs (mainly cam/CR/intake).

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>One quesiton: Is a holley 650 double pumper too big for a 330 with an
>Edelbrock perf rpm intake? alot of people said i'll be overcarbing the
engine,
>i doint think so thouhg
>kelly erikcson
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:04:33 +1100 (EST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Paint Schemes

Okay all you paint experts out there, I need some help. I have my 69
Cutlass S sitting at home with hardly any parts left on it or in it. A
friend and I were talking one night and he asked me if I am going to
keep the Teal Mist Metallic color that I have on there. I wasn't
really sure. I wanted to keep the color due to originality, but then
we got to talking about racing stripes. Would my car look "mean" with
racing stripes? What colors for the body/stripes? Would the hood look
odd since it has the chrome vents on it? Should I just stripe the hood
or go across the top and then the trunk? What do you guys think would
make this car look mean? I am open to any suggestions.

Del



 
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 01:01:50 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes

I am, by no means, a paint expert.  However, I think that it all depends
on personal taste.  I kept my '69 4-4-2 the orig color, Royal Trophy Blue
just becase I really like it, but the cutlass is getting a new coat of
black, not the original maroon.  And it will definitely get hood stripes.
Now, if you are a stickler for originality, keep the same color, but if
something new catches your eye - go with it.  Personally, I think hood
stipes are where it's at.  That's what most of these cars were all about.
Note to the wise, do not, repeat, do not paint the roof or trunk with
stripes.  It isn't a '69 H/O and it definitely ain't a Ch*by.  I don't
mean to seem harsh, but traditionally, the stripes were only on the hood.
In the game "BUNROUT" for the PC, someone made a 442 w-30 and put the
stipes all the way down...makes me sad.
Well, that's my $0.02 - let us know what color you decide.

Dan Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu

'69 4-4-2
'71 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:30:53 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: G Body Steering wheel column swap

>I want to put the tilt column from my  85 Delta 88 Royale
> Brougham (when it finally dies) in my 66 Dymamic 88 Convertible.

C'mon folks...  Snip stuff already!  (and address the questions being 
addressed,
'K???)

To that end, Kevin, and all interested:

I've done a similar swap.  (This ~isn't~ a G-body to G-body swap, as some have
presumed from the non-snipped prior posts)  The harness probably will need
modifications, but I'm not sure.  The problem will be how it mates to the
firewall.  Some were a bolt in apparatus, and others were simply clamped onto
the firewall.  From memory, I'm not sure, but I ~think~ the G-body's column was
welded to a large odd-shaped mounting flange, and bolted in by that.  The 70
A-body (which got my swap) only had the column's tube clamped down to the
firewall.  I'd think the 66 would be that way, as well.  Basically, this would
involve cutting the flange away from the new column, and reworking the flange
area to accept the old style clamps.  The steering gear will probably accept 
the
new mechanicals without much fuss.  At least the 70 did.  One benefit I've
really liked was the on-column dimmer.  Big plus.  That'll involve some
rewiring.  You'll be doing some more mods for the ignition switch.  You'll have
to fabricate a link for the PRNDL indicator, too.  And may have problems if
you're running a two-speed tranny, since your donor most likely has a three
speed.  Or four.  And reverse ~may~ end up in the wrong spot!  Remember, many 
of
the older critters went PNDLR instead.  

If you choose to go ahead with this swap, good luck, you'll enjoy the creature
comforts.  However, I may instead suggest finding a closer donor, perhaps with
tilt/tele that were popular in the late 60s.  I've actually considerred pulling
my 69's T&T out for the GS.  Just couldn't live w/o the keylock and column
dimmer...  Of course, there ~are~ the newer Caddy columns that do ~all~
that....  :)


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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 00:43:18 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

I remember when I was a kid I saw the tent option in the sales
literature.  BOy did I want one of those when I would grow up....

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 02:31:11 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: More Edelbrock Stuff

I know that this was a thread a while back, but I'm wondering if anyone has
any new/rehashed comments on...

EDELBROCK ALUMINUM BB OLDS HEADS

Specifically, I would like to know if anyone has them (and what they
think), how they compare to a worked set of "C" heads, if the order time
has been reduced, and if they are worth the money (last time I think they
were $1200/pair?).

If they are still $1200/pair, isn't that a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY?  I mean, I
think I saw someone on this list offering a pair of "C" heads for something
like $100 not that long ago, so couldn't you make those Cs perform pretty
damn well for a lot less than eleven hundred large?
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 01:41:04 -0700 
From: Chris Zimmerman <CZimmerman@KVOA.com>
Subject: RE: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

Mike,
Holley did make a single plane called the Street Dominator. Offenhauser
also made one of their 360 degree Port-O-Sonic intakes for the small
block. I ran across one of each at the last couple swap meets I went to.
Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Rollin [mailto:supercars@transport.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 8:29 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold


mbloomer wrote:
> Anybody out there know of a
> single plane intake for small blocks?  Real long shot.
> 
> Mike B


Mike,
Years ago Holley offered a single plane for the small
block.  I can't remember if it was a Street Dominator
or a Strip Dominator.  I still see them at swap meets
from time to time.  Being one of those who never throws
anything away, I KNOW there is an old Holley catalog
around here somewhere.  I'll pass along more info as
soon as I can locate.

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:57:22 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Pearl White/White

This is applied for interior colors:

To the best of my knowledge in 70 & 71 the only white available on 442's
was a pearl white. In 72 the white was called just white.
My queston is which white is the more brighter white (pearl or white)? Also
which do you think is the nicer looking white?

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:23:16 +1100 (EST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bumper reconditioning

  Hey, Since We're on the subject, does anybody know of a reputable
chroming shop in New England??  I want to get my bumpers rechromed
either this winter, or in the spring, and was just wondering if there
is a good local shop.  I might just stop in at the local Harley
Davidson dealer and ask there.  Biker guys usually know some good
places.

Good Luck with your Chrome Jobs,
            Stefan
            1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
            sgadecki@yahoo.com




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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:33:17 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: Re: model info

Jim Chermack wrote:
>2. The chrome breather is plain white plastic (not on the chrome tree) 
>needs to
>be foil plated.

Now, where else are you going to find a bunch of guys and gals that love
their cars enough to come up with a great idea like this, even if it's
just a model?



Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 06:43:26 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: F-85 Omega?

Yea, the tent thing was an option for all GM's '73-'74 x-body hatchbacks.
Omega,Nova,Ventura,Apollo. What the hell were they thinking.

Ed
The Omega Man

2-'74's.

By the way. The 350 is out of my '74 hatchback and a 455 is going in.

'74 Omega 455/4sp
'74 Omega 455/auto

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At 12:43 AM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I remember when I was a kid I saw the tent option in the sales
>literature.  BOy did I want one of those when I would grow up....
>
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:58:24 EST
From: SpeedCom@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

In a message dated 12/9/98
 2:<BR41:<BR54 AM Central Standard Tim, CZimmerman@KVOA.com writes:> Holley
did make a single plane called the Street Dominator. Offenhauser
>  also made one of their 360 degree Port-O-Sonic intakes for the small
>  block. I ran across one of each at the last couple swap meets I went to


What is the general price range for these manifolds at swap meets?

Cheers/Carron

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:32:39 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Everyone lists their cars

Well , here  goes

1964   Cutlass  white / brown  2- dr. ht.  -will be pro street for grand son
1964   442    yellow  2 dr. coupe  compete car - to restore for one of
granddaughters
1964   442    burgundy 2 dr.ht.   complete car - to restore for the other
granddaughter
1965   442  white 2r. ht.  complete car - to restore for grand son
1966  Cutlass conv. - white- needs top , dash & paint  - for my wife 
1967   442  black 2 dr. ht.  complete car  to restore for grand son
1968    W-30    my car   - will be at OCA  southeast regional meet next year
in Gatlinburg Tn. next july.

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:53:42 -0700 
From: Chris Zimmerman <CZimmerman@KVOA.com>
Subject: RE: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold

I've paid as little as $20.00, and as much as $60.00 for a glass- beaded
used intake manifold.
Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: SpeedCom@aol.com [mailto:SpeedCom@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:58 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Big Block Factory Iron Qjet Intake Manifold


In a message dated 12/9/98
 2:<BR41:<BR54 AM Central Standard Tim, CZimmerman@KVOA.com writes:>
Holley
did make a single plane called the Street Dominator. Offenhauser
>  also made one of their 360 degree Port-O-Sonic intakes for the small
>  block. I ran across one of each at the last couple swap meets I went
to


What is the general price range for these manifolds at swap meets?

Cheers/Carron

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:04:43 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes

Rock Man wrote:

> Okay all you paint experts out there, I need some help. I have my 69
> Cutlass S sitting at home with hardly any parts left on it or in it. A
>
> friend and I were talking one night and he asked me if I am going to
> keep the Teal Mist Metallic color that I have on there. I wasn't
> really sure. I wanted to keep the color due to originality, but then
> we got to talking about racing stripes. Would my car look "mean" with
> racing stripes? What colors for the body/stripes? Would the hood look
> odd since it has the chrome vents on it? Should I just stripe the hood
>
> or go across the top and then the trunk? What do you guys think would
> make this car look mean? I am open to any suggestions.
>
> Del
>
>
> ==
> Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
> rockman20@yahoo.com
> 1986 Honda Accord DX
> 1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
> 1981 John Deer Snowmobile
> 197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
> 1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

   Rockman,
   Alhough I practically grew up in a body shop, I would`nt consider
myself a "paint expert" by any stretch of the imagination.
  That tech changes constantly. For what it`s worth, the 69 S I bought
was previously owned by a bodyshop proprietor. When he did the car he
painted it the original light green metalic, but added the hood and deck
stripes in gloss black.. Car has black vinyl roof. When I bought the
car, I was sure I would paint it one of the new GM dark greens and srcap
the stripes, but in the month or so that I had it o the road prior to
storage I got so many compliments on the color and the stripes, (
especially from the women- they seem to really go for the light
metallics) that I may redo the car pretty much as it is, sans the deck
stripes. I`ve kinda gotten to like the scheme as it is. It will get 2
step urathene.

Bob-69 Cutlass S 455/400

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:11:27 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Re: Bumper reconditioning

Stefan Gadecki wrote:

>   Hey, Since We're on the subject, does anybody know of a reputable
> chroming shop in New England??  I want to get my bumpers rechromed
> either this winter, or in the spring, and was just wondering if there
> is a good local shop.  I might just stop in at the local Harley
> Davidson dealer and ask there.  Biker guys usually know some good
> places.
>
> Good Luck with your Chrome Jobs,
>             Stefan
>             1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>             sgadecki@yahoo.com
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

  Stefan,
  Don`t know about New England but just shipped 442 rear bumper to
Desert Dog in Westchester, Il. Alot of controversy on the list recently
re: rechroming. I`ll be sure to let everyone know how I like what I get
back. I went with Ddog cause I`ve only heard good reports on their work
and the price is resonable.

Bob- 69 Cutlass S 455/400

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:25:52 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: compression test

Remember when doing a compression test, you must be at WOT and have all
plugs out.

You cam and compression ratio determine cranking pressure, a high cyl
pressure can be signs of advanced cam, short duration cam or high
compression.  My short duration cam and 7.5:1 compression got me 130 psi.
(301 Turbo)  A friend of mine got 200 psi cranking with 10.5:1 compression,
advanced 4 degrees and Ram Air 4 cam (Pontiac 428).  

Just so if anyone wonders, the cranking pressure does not have anything to
do with what sort of motor it is, just how it is set up.  High cyl pressure
in the low end means more torque, but more chance to ping too.  

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:30:07 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Head bolt torque specs/blown gasket/best heads

Bolt torque is directly related to the size of the bolt and how many bolts
are used.  The Olds and Pontiac use 10 head bolts, Pontiac is 95 ft lbs,
where SB Ch#vy uses 17 bolts, and has a bolt torque around 70 ft lbs.  

Look at how the bolts are arranged around the cyl, this is important to how
it seals.  Pontiac/Olds have 10 bolts, and 4 around each cyl.  Ch#vy uses
17, 5 around each cyl.  The Stage 2 Buick V6 uses 6 bolts per cyl from what
I have heard.  Max sealing.  That is not saying one engine cannot have more
compression than another, just one has more clamping psi around the head
gasket.  

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:39:11 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: compression test

You cannot determine compression at all with cranking pressure.  It is
meaningless for compression ratio.

Compression is based on bore, stroke, cyl volume, (which is derived from
Bore and Stroke), piston dish, head chamber size, and head gasket thickness.
If anyone tells you otherwise they are pulling your leg.  

You are measuring the volume of the cyl at BDC, and then how much volume is
at TDC.  This is the compression.

Visit http://sura1.jlab.org/~grippo/auto.html for more info and
calculations.  You will see on the formula that cranking psi has nothing to
do with it.  You can change the cranking psi just by advancing the cam, or
retarding it.  There is no way to affect compression ratio by doing that.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

>> Kevin,
>> A ballpark figure of compression can be estimated using this value. 
>> ( If anyone has an 'AUTOMATH' copy, please verify this for me....)
>> 
>> (Cylinder Pressure - Atmospheric pressure) / Atmo = C.R.
>> Atmo for my area ( 1000 ft ) is about 14.7 psi.
>> 
>> (135 - 14.7) / 14.7 = 8.18367:1 CR
>> 
>> Second opinions? Joe P. ? Dave B. ?  Help me fellows.....
>> Donny A.
>>  
>> 
>> > ----------
>> > From: 	Kevin Grover[SMTP:Atvman@rochester.rr.com]
>> > Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> > Sent: 	Monday, December 07, 1998 10:35 PM
>> > To: 	Oldsmobile mailing list
>> > Subject: 	compression test
>> > 
>> > If I put a pressure gauge in one of my plug holes and cranked the
engine,
>> > and got a reading of 135 psi, what does that mean???
>> > 

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:44:51 -0600 
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: SB single plane manifold

If I remember correctly, Holly made a small block single plane manifold
called the dominator or eliminator or some such. Saw one on a 403 in a
salvage yard several years ago that I was thinking about buying. Owners son
used it for a Trans AM swap after he blew up the orig engine. He was sure
happy with the Olds power. Someone with a Holly products catalog on the list
may be able to check to see if it is still being made, otherwise its swap
meet time to find one.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:55:48 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock carbs

In a message dated 12/8/98 11:09:43 PM Central Standard Time,
Gutlass66@aol.com writes:

<< One quesiton: Is a holley 650 double pumper too big for a 330 with an
 Edelbrock perf rpm intake? alot of people said i'll be overcarbing the
engine,
 i doint think so thouhg
 kelly erikcson
  >>


     My 65 Cutlass is equiped with a 330 "Ultra-high Compression" , and it
came from the factory with a 625cfm "4jet".... It know has an Edelbrock
performer RPM cam, RPM intake, RPM 600cfm carb, and many more
upgrades(ignition, exhaust..so on), and it runs rich at idle and lean at WOT.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:01:30 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Air Bags (what are they)

FYI:  Posi was removed as a standard option on the Z28 and Trans AM/Formula
in the mid to late 80's due to drivers buying the car with it, and not
knowing what they had and having accidents.  So if it is an option, you have
to order it, and then you (theoretically) know what you have and drive for
it.  My 80 Turbo T/A brought me sideways many times in corners when the
THM350 made its hard 1-2 shift.  (factory firm shifting)  I loved it!!

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:11:15 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Bumper reconditioning

Stefan's Gotta Know:

>   Hey, Since We're on the subject, does anybody know of a reputable
> chroming shop in New England??  I want to get my bumpers rechromed
> either this winter, or in the spring, and was just wondering if there
> is a good local shop.  I might just stop in at the local Harley
> Davidson dealer and ask there.  Biker guys usually know some good
> places.

I figure since Everett hasn't jumped in on this yet,  :)
I'd heartily recommend New England Bumper in Providence, RI.

Sorry, I don't have the number handy.  Proprietor's name is Joe.
He did both bumpers, upper taillight housings, the trunk lid molding,
and hood spear for Big Red earlier this year.  Very happy with the results.

A H-D shop will also point you in some good directions.  I remember
N.F. Sheldon's recommending a couple of places in the Worcester area.



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:15:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Bumper reconditioning

>>back. I went with Ddog cause I`ve only heard good reports on their work
>and the price is resonable.


Maybe I ought to get a sizable discount from "Ddog" on my next order...

:-)

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:45:46 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes

Okay all you paint experts out there, I need some help.
_______

Del,

Timely question, as I've been thinking about this for my 69 for a while
now.  Obviously  it's your car, so do what you like, but my suggestion
would be to at least at the W-42 hood stripes.  These are the solid paint
stripes on the raised panels on the hood.  I think they look great on the
69, and they were a factory option.  I don't really care for trunk stripes
on this car, but that's only my preference.  As for color, I was originally
leaning towards an original color, but I think I've settled instead on the
bright metallic blue on the new Dodge Durangos with silver stripes.  This
is sort of a nuclear electric blue, not for the wallfloweres among us.
Teal green with silver stripes would look good as well and would be a
definite eye catcher.  Check out some of the 69's on Bryceman's page to get
an idea of what the stripes look like.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:01:23 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"

> Now that an answer has been found, I've been watching this thread
> with amused interest.  I was willing to bet that Microsoft designed
> the odometer.

Oh, noooo... At first I was thinking maybe this was a new urban 
legend, except that we already have too many first-hand eyewitnesses.

Somebody with access to a recent, genuine-GM service manual, please
look this up for us: What's the design range for the odometer display?
Is it 0 -> 999,999 or is it 0 -> 199,999? This might also be listed
in the owner's manual, if somebody wants to look there as well. I'm
starting to think it's 0 -> 199,999, in which case Click & Clack are
going to have a field day with this one when word gets out...

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:05:05 -0600
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Tire Recommendation

Hi Everyone!

Im in the market for new tires - those bearing the raised white
letters.  Goodrich (TA Radials) is one brand that comes to mind.  What
are some other brands you've used and been happy with?  I had 2 sets of
TA Radials (whitewalls) on my car from 1983 to 1989.  I was told they
were such good tires and yet I had tread separation in 5 of the 8
tires.  I thought they were very pricey and was very disappointed with
the reduced life span I had for such expensive and highly praised
tires.  Have the TA Radials improved in quality over the years?

Also, last Saturday's Auto Section of the newspaper had a Road Test
Profile on the Olds Alero.  If anyone is interested in a copy of that
article, let me know.

Thanks for your help re the tire information.

Barb
'76 Cutlass Salon

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:02:49 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: More Edelbrock Stuff

If they are still $1200/pair, isn't that a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY?  I mean, I
think I saw someone on this list offering a pair of "C" heads for something
like $100 not that long ago, so couldn't you make those Cs perform pretty
damn well for a lot less than eleven hundred large?
____________

In a word, no.  It's been a while since I had head work done, but it's
pretty expensive just to get a proper valve job these days.  First, expect
to pay close to $500 just to get a stock valve job.  Add the cost of
hardened seats, stainless valves, good springs, etc.  Now add porting...
You rapidly blow through the $1200 (actually closer to $1400 now) price on
the Edelbrock heads.  In addition, the new heads are aluminum, saving
weight and allowing you to run a higher compression ratio on the street due
to better heat transfer properties.  Note that one problem with the
Edelbrock heads is that you _will_ need new valvetrain components as well,
so factor that cost in, but in the long run, unless you need to retain your
iron heads for originality reasons, the Edelbrocks will make more hp for
the dollar.

The bottom line is that in just about anything, a low initial price rarely
results in the lowest total price.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:09:11 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: model info

Whoops, when I talked about a price range of $12-$30, I was talking
about the preassembled models, not kits. Have seen some preassembled
Olds models as well, but they've been out for a while; nothing new
this season that I've noticed.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:11:59 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation

Im in the market for new tires...
_______

Barb,

Sorry to hear about your poor T/A experiences.  I've run T/As exclusively
on my 442s since 1975, and never had the problems you've described.  In my
case, the tread usually wears out long before any other failures could
happen.  ;-)
The one thing to be careful of is that the rubber compound appears to be a
little hard, with the result that it is very easy to break them loose in
the rain unless you're very careful about throttle application.
Unfortunately, I've got a binary throttle (it's either off or fully on...).
As for price, basic RWL Radial T/As run in the $65-$70 range each at the
local Price/Costco and BJs Warehouse type stores.  This is for the common
235 or 245R14 or 15 sizes.  If you want to spend a little more, BFG has
Comp T/As in a variety of styles with progressively higher prices.  I'll be
trying these on my 66 when it gets finished (don't expect a road test
anytime soon, unfortunately).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:13:42 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Re: Electronic odometer reads "error"

I have the same problem on another car I have. It has an EPROM and PROM in
the computer. The EPROM is bad. This is what the service manual state's
also. I am not sure if you have both PROM's on your car. 

However, you may be right about the 200,000 thing. They should be able to
tell you at the dealer or call Oldsmobile. Hope this helps.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:18:44 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: model info

While we're on the thread of Olds models, I thought I'd throw in one that I
have.  It's an HO scale model of a 1968 442.  I got this from an HO train
catalog.  It's made by Magnuson Models, and the package says Manufactured
by Wm. K. Walthers, Inc, 5601 W. Florist Ave, Milwaukee, WI  53218.  Note
that I got it about 10 years ago, don't know if they are still available.
The package actually comes with two resin cast bodies and eight metal
wheels (some assembly required).  The castings are a little rough and
require hand finishing, but are amazingly well detailed, including the
eggcrate grille, headlight bezels, hood grilles, side markers, etc.  Keep
in mind that this is on a model which is 2 1/2" long.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:29:16 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation

I had RWL Firestone Firehawks on my Nova SS that I liked. I ran them about
a year (and trust me, I've got a big heavy foot) and they still had 95%
tread when I sold the car. The also hooked up well even on wet roads. As a
comparison, right now I have RWL BFGoodrich on my 70 Camaro daily ride and
they don't hook up worth a sh*t when wet. Both have about a 10" wide
footprint.
Just my .02
Ed
The Omega Man

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At 10:11 AM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Im in the market for new tires...
>_______
>
>Barb,
>
>Sorry to hear about your poor T/A experiences.  I've run T/As exclusively
>on my 442s since 1975, and never had the problems you've described.  In my
>case, the tread usually wears out long before any other failures could
>happen.  ;-)
>The one thing to be careful of is that the rubber compound appears to be a
>little hard, with the result that it is very easy to break them loose in
>the rain unless you're very careful about throttle application.
>Unfortunately, I've got a binary throttle (it's either off or fully on...).
>As for price, basic RWL Radial T/As run in the $65-$70 range each at the
>local Price/Costco and BJs Warehouse type stores.  This is for the common
>235 or 245R14 or 15 sizes.  If you want to spend a little more, BFG has
>Comp T/As in a variety of styles with progressively higher prices.  I'll be
>trying these on my 66 when it gets finished (don't expect a road test
>anytime soon, unfortunately).
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:38:29 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: F-85 info desired

So what's the deal with the turbo F-85's?
________

Ray,

The Jetfire was built in 1962-63 on the Cutlass F-85 platform.  It was
based on the aluminum 215 cu in V8 and used a single turbo and a sidedraft
Rochester carb to produce 215 hp.  One drawback in the design (and the
downfall of the Jetfire) was that Olds attempted to overcome the turbo's
lack of low end grunt (boost lag) by running an unusually high compression
ratio (10:1).  Unfortunately, this not only forced Olds to limit boost to 5
psi, but also required fluid injection to supress detonation.  This "Turbo
Rocket Fluid" was a 50-50 mixture of alcohol and water.  Unfortunately, in
this pre-electronics age, the motor lacked a knock sensor.  Many owners ran
the fluid dry and promply grenaded their motors.  Typically the turbo was
replaced by a conventional 4bbl when the new motor was installed.

A few other Jetfire tidbits:

This was the first mass production turbo application to use a wastegate.

This was arguably the most complex induction system build to that time,
with something like 50 different hose connections in the intake system
(pressure sensors, wastegate, fluid injection, fuel, etc).

The 215 V8 actually originated as a Buick design (hence the front-mounted
distributor), but Olds added its own unique heads and intake manifold
(which do not directly interchange with the Buford parts).

The 61-63 Cutlass body shell (and its Buick and Pontiac siblings) are
actually based on the Corvair body.  The Corvair obviously was rear engined
and air cooled, the Cutlass and Special were conventional front engine/rear
drive cars, and the Tempest used a front engine with the rear transaxle
based on the Corvair trans and suspension.  Even more weirdness ensued with
these cars, as across the four models, you had an air cooled flat six, a
turbo aluminum V8, a slant four (which literally was one half of a Pontiac
389), and a V6.  Definitely GM's experimental period.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:39:45 EST
From: J442eff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes

hello all,
         speaking of hood stripes on 69 442's, can anyone give me the paint
code for the color of the white stripes? 
                       thanks
                       jeff nelson
                       69 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:12:00 +1100 (EST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Schemes

Well, I refuse to go with the original color. It started its life with
a light olive green body and a white top. Since the small pegs were
shaved off the rear quarters and the top of the trunk, I decided that
there was no way to put a 2 tone on there so I stayed with a solid
color. But, the stripes are definetly grabbing my interest.




- ---"Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu> wrote:
>
> I am, by no means, a paint expert.  However, I think that it all
depends
> on personal taste.  I kept my '69 4-4-2 the orig color, Royal Trophy
Blue
> just becase I really like it, but the cutlass is getting a new coat of
> black, not the original maroon.  And it will definitely get hood
stripes.
> Now, if you are a stickler for originality, keep the same color, but
if
> something new catches your eye - go with it.  Personally, I think hood
> stipes are where it's at.  That's what most of these cars were all
about.

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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