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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, November 16 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1605



Re: Harry's Pull and Save
re:Hot Rod Trivia
Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?
Re: Harry's Pull and Save
Re: Replacement body panels advice
Re: Harry's Pull and Save
Stainless, was Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?
Re: Starter heat soak solution.
Re: Ga VS J heads
This is a test
Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?
Re: Saturday repairs.
Streamline your E-mail!  (Non Olds, but helpful!)
Re: Stainless, was Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?
Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?
Re: manual brakes
weak 307
Re: OAI vacuum motor
Re: weak 307
Re: JWO address
Re: a goooddd day! (kinda long)
Streamlining Email addendum
email filter test (sorry greg!)
Re: 455 Lower Radiator hose
Radiator Hoses
Re: This is a test
Re: This is a test
Re: This is a test
72 442 Question
Hot Rod Trivia Winner !
more pictures up
Re: 72 442 Question
RE: Ga VS J heads
RE: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?
Advance/Retard Cam
Re: 72 442 Question
RE: Advance/Retard Cam
Re: 72 442 Question
Re: 72 442 Question
UNBOUNCE: '68 98 A/C control panel
W-27 rear end price?
Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?
Re: W-27 rear end price?
Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)
Re: W-27 rear end price?
Re: 72 442 Question
Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)
Re: cat converter
Re: 72 442 Question
Coker Wheel
Re: W-27 rear end price?
Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)
'73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Wanted 79-81 Toronado "XSC"
Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing
Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:14:42 -0500
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Harry's Pull and Save

I've shopped that yard on I81 just south of Scranton (I think it's called
DeNaples), although it was about 20 years ago.  The cars go on forever-
doesn't seem like they believe in crushing them.  It's the worst eyesore
I've ever seen from an interstate.  They put up a tall chainlink fence to
block the view, with opaque ribbons running thru the wire.  At speed, the
strobe effect still allows you to see everything.  If I didn't live 500
miles away now, I'd check it out for A body stuff.....
- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Harry's Pull and Save


>FWIW, There's also a Harry's-U-Pull-It off of rte 61 in Shoemakersville,
PA.
>I don't know if it's the same Harry or not.
>The one on rte 81 is off of exit 40 at Hazleton.
>
>Has anyone in northeastern PA, ever tried the You Pull It type yard by
>Scranton. It's like the whole side of a mountain covered in cars. I called
>once and they said thay had 10,000 + cars there. I was just curious as I've
>never had the time to stop and check them out.
>
>Randy
>
>
>> I just remember however that it's the Hazleton exit
>>off of I-81.  It may have been exit number 40, can't remember.  I know
>>it's right in the vicinity of where (PA)309 intersects with it.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:26:57 -0500
From: Kyle Roe <karoe@us.ibm.com>
Subject: re:Hot Rod Trivia

....got a lot of motor under my wheels..... pull up in the driveway....

Black Oak Arkansas.  Singer was Jim Dandy.  Circa 1973. A favorite to be sure.
Am I the 'derby winner' ?

Kyle.

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:22:57 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?

MNManiac@AOL.COM wrote:
> 
> I've never heard of a Cutlass Crown Royal or a 268CID engine.  But I HAVE 
seen
> a rare Cutlass model from this era with a large stainless steel bar going
> across the roof.  I believe it was called the "Cutlass Xtreme."
> 
> -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-




Although I have never heard of a Cutlass Crown Royal either,
I can't help but wonder if this model requires the "DUI" or
"DWI" options.  And as standard equipment comes with a blue
cotton "cover".  (Sorry, I just couldn't resist......)


Greg Rollin
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:25:40 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Harry's Pull and Save

Has anybody seen any 69 70 Ninety-Eights at any of those places???



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- -----Original Message-----
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 6:08 PM
Subject: Harry's Pull and Save


>This sounds really cool--Harry's U Pull it, that is--I am in Central New
>Jersey, and I always go to a place called EZ Pull and Save which is in
>New Ringgold--Schuylkill County I believe.  There aren't too awful many
>Cutlasses there and I think a great majority of the Caddy's and Delta
>88's are diesels, but for the parts you find, you can't beat the price.
>I would like to know more about Harry's, and the directions on how to
>get there from Route 1, or I78 or any other main road that may come into
>PA from New Jersey.  Also, do they have a reasonable selection of
>Cutlass and Delta 88 cars?
>Thanks,
>Brian
>86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
>Ray Costanzo wrote:
>>
>> Hi there Olds folks,
>> Two questions:
>> 1.  I've been spending most of my time with the newly spawned g-body
list,
>> and I'm just wondering how things are going over here.  Is it all calm
and
>> cool now?  hope so...
>>
>> 2.  Do I remember hearing a lot of talk about q-jets coming standard on
>> Oldses, and probably many gm's?  My brother and I are hoping to find one
for
>> his ScoutII, as they supposedly have a good off-road reputation, and I'm
>> just wondering if most Oldses or GM's are likely to have them.  We'll be
>> going to Harry's U-Pull-it, the coolest place around!
>>
>> Thanks for any input...
>>
>> Ray Costanzo
>> 87 409 Cutlass
>> Bucks County, PA
>> costanzo@netcarrier.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:51:54 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement body panels advice

Jon442@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 11/12/98 9:57:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> jlabay@neo.rr.com writes:
>
> << I am trying to find the best and cheapest source for body repair panels.
> My
>  1972 Cutlass Supreme needs lower fender patch panels, rear 1/4 lower patch
>  panels (only at very bottom of rear), and a right rear outter wheel housing
>  replacement panel.  Quality isn't really important as long as the price is
>  good.  This 72 is going to be a strip/cruise car and will hardly if ever see
>  a car show.  Only place I have founds so far is Oldsmobile USA parts supply.
> >>
>
> Jason, quality IS important. The few dollars that you might save by buying
> cheap panels will be more than offset by the time it takes your body man to
> work them to get them to fit. Even good quality panels take some fitting, but
> poor quality panels could take hours to fit. So, figure what your labor rate
> is and add 5 or 6 hours or more to the cost of the cheap panels.


I agree. I tried for years to find quarters for my '67 Cutlass with no luck.
Finally found some in J.C. Whitney. Got 'em and they were terrible (surprise,
surprise), looked like they were hand fabbed with a sledge. I thought it would 
be
cheaper getting them there than used from a salvage yard 1500 miles away.
WRONG!!! The bill from my body man proved that theory to be very, very false.


Shane Gibreal
'67 Cutlass convertible
'67 Cutlass Supreme - drag

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:38:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Harry's Pull and Save

- ---BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com> wrote:
>
> This sounds really cool--Harry's U Pull it, that is--I am in Central
New Jersey,
> I would like to know more about Harry's, and the directions on how to
> get there from Route 1, or I78 or any other main road that may come
into PA from New Jersey.  Also, do they have a reasonable selection of
> Cutlass and Delta 88 cars?


     I'm not too sure of directions from Route 1 or I78 but if you
come in on I80 you can get on I81 south. From there you get off at the
Hazleton exit (40).  From there you take Route 924 north.  It is about
1 mile to a traffic light where you will turn left.  You go three
blocks to Winters Avenue and turn left.  Follow this street all the
way to the end where you will see the entrance to Harry's.

     I was up there today and they appear to be changing the Olds
section.  There a lot of 80's Cutlasses and some 80' Deltas.  There
are also quite a few later 70's cars.  There was a pretty well
stripped 4-door 69 Cutlass Supreme, a 66 Delta (I think) and a 66
wagon (not a Vista).  I took the harmonic balancer off the 69, it cost
5.00 plus a 1.00 core charge which is refundable if you bring an old
one back.

     I live about a half hour from Harry's and have spent a lot of
time and money there.  It is better to go there during the week if you
can, the weekends get pretty crowded.

                                                 Larry
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:54:30 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Stainless, was Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?

> > a rare Cutlass model from this era with a large stainless steel bar going
> > across the roof.  I believe it was called the "Cutlass Xtreme."

These were actually not that rare, but a regional dealer option, I believe. 
This was called the "Edge" package, and (coincidentally" we were just 
discussing
this tonight on ICQ in the G-body list.  As far as I've seen, the only thing
this package added, was the stainless trim across the rear roof area and
C-pillars, and the special badging.  Never heard of the "Xtreme" though.  But
regional dealers may have called them several things?  Just found out about a
mid 80s "W-42"  Dressed up like an H/O, but no Hurst badging, and no Lightning
Rods.   Great big "W-42" on the doors.  I've not seen :(


> I can't help but wonder if this model requires the "DUI" or
> "DWI" options.  

<LOL>  Or perhaps the "E-D-Ot" package...

Seriously, though I ~do~ have one lame pic of an Edge, but can't see the trim. 
There are a few locally, but no pics as of yet.  I have some of the "Edge"
scripts around here somewhere, but not sure where I've hidden them :(


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:46:40 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Starter heat soak solution.

Year One sells a starter solenoid heat shield....

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:18:47 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Ga VS J heads

Not yet
But this winter I intend to cage the car. 
1. To help stop any future twist
2. To save my head if a go over.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Ga VS J heads
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 9:00 PM
> 
> Robert,
>     I'm working at setting up my '69 rag top for the same type of duty -
have
> you run into any problems with body twist?
> Todd Daenzer
> '69 rag top - 310hp tied to a 'glide :-(
> '75 Supreme - project car....
> '82 Supreme - SB, 700R4, 3.73's - Grin!
> '86 Supreme - V-8 - daily driver...
> 
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> > > From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
> > >
> > > What kind of gear and cam do you run?
> > >
> >
> > 3.91's and a crane dual pattern cam.  .496 + .512 lift.  308 dur. and a
> > 3000 stall converter
> > A 800 holley spreadbore, a torker, and mallory unilite ingnition.
> > I have my car on video pulling the front tires -- ever so slightly, but
air
> > is air.
> >
> > Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
> > Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454
> >
> > ----------
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:28:44 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: This is a test

...Of the Netscape emergency system.  Do not be alarmed, it is only a test.
Had this been an actual emergency, we all would have fled in terror, and you
would not have been notified.


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:44:39 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?

>bearings & seals (Federal Mogul A-9 ordered from Supercars) - he was

Happened to notice you used Federal Mogul seals.  Well, I have a 
co-op position interview coming up with them here shortly and was 
wondering if this was a respectable company.  Anyone out there have 
good/bad opinions on them?  It sounds like they are good if a 
pro-rebuilder used them, but I don't know.  

TIA
Joe

P.S. I also had interviews with GM, T*yota, and H*nda (Sorry about 
the last two, but I just have to get into the auto industry 
somewhere).



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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:44:40 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Saturday repairs.

Sounds correct I call the straps but they may be called bridges. What do 
you have with a 260? I has a 78 cutlass with one about 4 years ago but 
it got stolen and when I got it back i sold it because the car made me 
feel strange, Like I was violated. I wish I would have kept it.
>
>What are these called? Bridges? I have seen one on a 260 break. They 
are
>cheap..I think 5 bucks for a rocker arm/bridge combo. Dorian
>


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:49:13 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Streamline your E-mail!  (Non Olds, but helpful!)

Folks, I've finally accomplished something cool here. (Yeah, I'm a little 
behind
the times, and some may already know about this, ~but~ here goes...)

I'm on both the Classic Oldsmobile Mailing List, ~and~ the G-body Oldsmobile
Mailing List.  With Netscape, it doesn't tell you which list server sent the
message, it only shows who composed it.  This has always bothered me.  Eudorka
showed which ~server~ sent it, but not who wrote it.  That ~also~ botherred 
me. 
So.  I found a cure.  In Netscape, go to "Edit" then click on Message Filters. 
Click on "New" and then rename the filter from Untitled to "Classic Olds 
Mailing
List" or something equivalent.  
Change the "subject" field to read the "to" field. (drop down menu.)  Leave
"Contains" field as is, and add "oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca" in the blank next 
to
it.  (So that the whole line reads "to: contains oldsmobile@chebucto..."

Then, in the "Move to folder" line, click on "new" and create a new folder for
the Olds list.  Then click OK.

Repeat this whole thing for the G-body list, as well, except specifying the to:
field to contain "olds_gbody@listbot.com"  (without the qoutes)
Name the filter and folder however you please, and repeat for each list you're
on.  

This can also be used for the Toro list, too...  Someone want to forward to 
that
one?  Not really necessary, since ~their~ server is smart enough to know how to
put (Toro) in all the subject fields <sniff...>  Can't get listbot to figure
that part out.

One more bonus of this.  By putting all your list-server type mail in its own
folder, that frees up the inbox for ~only~ personal messages.  If it's in that
folder, someone's trying to get ahold of ~you~ and ~you~ alone.

I'm not familiar with filterring on Eudora, Outlook, Pine, or many of the other
mail readers out there.  Not sure about hotmail or aol accounts, either.  But
I'm hoping this experience here will help guide others into finding their 
filter
usage and streamline their own individual files.  I really think I'm going to
like this style here, as it'll save a ~lot~ of confusion for me.  I can ignore 
a
thread if I want, without concerns that one may be addressed privately to me,
with the same subject heading.  I can join more lists, and not worry about
remembering which one's where, and I can see, at a glance, which folder has new
mail in it.  Very slick, IMHO.

Hope this helps.  If others have instructions for filterring other readers,
(Eudora, Pine, etc) let me know, maybe I'll put up a web page on it, and help
other users who don't have Netscape.



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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:52:05 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless, was Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?

i had one (w-42) for a short time 85 model:t-tops spoiler crome rims weak 307
my 79 out ran it
my .02

Dino
69 cutlass 
75 H/O (hopefully this week if it stops raining)

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:52:33 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?

In a message dated 11/15/98 8:44:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu writes:

<< Happened to notice you used Federal Mogul seals.  Well, I have a 
 co-op position interview coming up with them here shortly and was 
 wondering if this was a respectable company.  Anyone out there have 
 good/bad opinions on them?  It sounds like they are good if a 
 pro-rebuilder used them, but I don't know.  
  >>

 As far as I know, they are part of TRW. Well respected manufacturer of auto
parts, In my opinion. Sealed power is also part of this group I believe.
Dorian

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:58:41 -0500
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: manual brakes

Ed,
Have you considered converting to a hydro-boost system from a diesel? 
these run the PB off the power steering pump.
Regards,
Fred

> Edward Binnix wrote:
> 
> I just bought a fairly radical cam (234/244 @.050). I'm assuming my
> power brakes will be fairly useless. Will a vacuum cannister and/or
> variable rate lifters remedy this problem? If not, what are my options
> for converting to manual brakes on a 75 Cutlass?

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:00:13 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: weak 307

> i had one (w-42) for a short time 85 model:t-tops spoiler crome rims weak 307
> my 79 out ran it
> my .02

Yup, maybe so, but the 85 442 is destined to be highly collectible one
day.  Too bad you don't have it anymore.  They only made 3000 of them.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:01:31 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OAI vacuum motor

YEAR ONE!!!!

ns.ca
>
>
>Does anyone know where you can buy a vacuum motor for an OAI flapper 
door?
>Mine has some how gotten a hole in the diaphram. At least the flapper 
is
>wide open! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Al Frey e-mail me at:
>Al Frey
>alpha1@airmail.net
>


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:02:25 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: weak 307

your right i wish i did but i didn't know what i had then, the reason i don't
have it is i found out it was stolen

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:07:42 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: JWO address

This message just wasted my time. You should send it personaly. This is 
why the list is longer then it should be.


>
>good meeting...how did John's car turn out???
>
>hope he liked it...
>
>the car (ford Taurus) will be there mon..Tim the wrecker driver will 
give you
>the
>key please keep it for me...thanks again 
>
>Jeff...


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:11:30 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: a goooddd day! (kinda long)

ONCE AGAINE send this to his email not the list.


>
>everett.. how much longer will you have this e mail address
>
>
>jeff...
>


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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:23:33 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Streamlining Email addendum

One issue, already found, with the prior filter use involves CC'd responses.  
If
CCd to both lists, it'll only show up on one of 'em.  If it's CC'd to a list,
~and~ to you personally, it'll still stay in the "list" folder.  So, more logic
commands are required, like 
"If to or cc" contains "oldsmobile@chebucto..." 
and
"If to or cc" doesn't contain "you@user.com" (whatever)
and
(repeat that one for each email address you use)
and
"If to or cc" doesn't contain "olds_gbody@listbot.com"
Then Move to folder "Oldsmobile Classic List.

Should be some food for thought.

Also, this helps, too:  Create a new filter specifying this.
"If to or cc" contains "you@user.com"
or
(repeat for each address you have)
then move to folder Inbox

I'll be doing a little more testing, but I'm ~hoping~ this ends up working
smoothly.  Sounds like Outlook has less logic controls, so that might not work
there.  Don't know...

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:29:59 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: email filter test (sorry greg!)

Hate to waste bandwidth here, but I'm hoping this is all that it needs.  So 
far,
the last post's info seems accurate...  (fingers crossed.)
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:19:42 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Lower Radiator hose

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
>         I was putting the lower radiator hose on my Rallye and the hose 
seemed
> awfully loose. Aren't the radiator hoses supposed to fit snugly? This hose is
> supposed to be the correct one for a 455, which is what I have. Any comments?
> Thanks,
> Jim McKeague
> http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
> 70 Rallye 350
> 70 Cutlass W-31



Jim,

Yes the hose should fit fairly tight.  
Which end (or both) seem too loose?

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:36:29 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Radiator Hoses

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
    I was putting the lower radiator hose on my Rallye and the hose
seemed awfully loose. Aren't the radiator hoses supposed to fit
snugly? This hose is supposed to be the correct one for a 455, which
is what I have. Any
comments?

*************************
     Yep! Some words of wisdom. There are 2 sizes of bottom radiator
hoses fittings: "small" and "large". 1970 and earlier have the large
fitting. 1971 or 1972, I forget which, started using a small fitting,
as do MOST (if not all) replacement radiators. A replacement radiator
is shipped with a rubber sleeve to increase the diameter of the
fitting to match the hose. It sounds like you have a later year, or a
replacement radiator.
     What you need to do is (and the only option if you don't have a
sleeve) is to just use a lower hose listed for a 1972 application!!!!!
I recommend this VS using the sleeve regardless!! 
     All the upper hoses are the same...no problems there.
     

 
==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

Check out our cars, trucks and a whole lot more at
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:52:39 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: This is a test

PLEASE do not post another stupid message like this. Are you 12 or what?  
This was a waste of my time and everyone elses on the list. If this is 
all you have to say DO NOT SEND ANTY more email.

>...Of the Netscape emergency system.  Do not be alarmed, it is only a 
test.
>Had this been an actual emergency, we all would have fled in terror, 
and you
>would not have been notified.
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:04:25 EST
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: This is a test

Ouch! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed or something!  chill out!
There is a warning stating "this is a test."
This is mild compared to many other things, let's not start a flame war.

Meakly stepping off soap box.

Gary

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:29:54 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: This is a test

jason shreve wrote:
> 
> PLEASE do not post another stupid message like this. Are you 12 or what?
> This was a waste of my time and everyone elses on the list. If this is
> all you have to say DO NOT SEND ANTY more email.

Hey, why don't you have some respect?! Charley is a very respected
member of this list and has been for quite some time. He was merely
making sure his new e-mail system worked. The header read "this is a
test", generally I delete these or read them to see if someone is having
a problem that I might be able to help fix. And I advise that in the
future, you try to do the same. Don't go off half cocked. That is a
sure-fire way to get booted, and if you get canned, you can never come
back. Just keep it cool....


- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:34:37 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 72 442 Question

On a 72 442 the interior emblem did nto say "442" but "Cutlass Supreme"
correct?
ALso on a 72 442 W-30 the inner fender wells were BLACK not RED, correct?


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:31:52 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Hot Rod Trivia Winner !

In a message dated 11/15/98 9:30:39 PM Central Standard Time, karoe@us.ibm.com
writes:

<< ....got a lot of motor under my wheels..... pull up in the driveway....
 
 Black Oak Arkansas.  Singer was Jim Dandy.  Circa 1973. A favorite to be
sure.
 Am I the 'derby winner' ?
 
 Kyle. >>
hhhhhhhhhhhooooooootttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooooooo
ddddddddddd

Kyle,

You are the man. You are the "Hot Rod " classic rock'n roll winner of the
week. 

"Jay, tell Kyle what he has won"

" Kyle, you will receive a NEW car stereo system featuring Kraco's latest
under-dash
8-track player, with super signal AM-FM receiver"

"And a Craig Power Booster with an awesome 30 watts of raw power!"

"That's not all Kyle. You also will receive a pair of Jensen 6x9 Triaxial
Speakers
making you the envy of all your crusin' friends!"

"Thanks Jay. Kyle you will also be eligible to enter our grand prize
competition for the all expense paid trip to Daytona Beach for Easter weekend
1974. The winner will get the free use of a NEW  AMC Gremlin to cruise on the
beach looking for that special companion."

"Stay tuned for your next chance to compete in Hot Rod Trivia!"

Randy in Okla
57 88 J2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:06:58 -0500 (EST)
From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu
Subject: more pictures up

Put some more pics of the '79... a burnout... and some other stuff up...
they are at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4468/Oldsmobile/olds.html

Tell me what you think...

BTW, the '83 isn't a h/o contrary to what it says on the door... but it
does have an h/o drivetrain!

Will organize these pics into a better webpage eventually... but right now
have no time...



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:11:22 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

Peter, 
CORRECT  on the Cutlass Supreme emblem not 442 ,and CORRECT on the black not
red fender wells for the 72 442.
Dennis

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:15:22 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Ga VS J heads

My experience with the heads may not be very typical of most with the heads.
Robert made a very valid point about the comparison of the two heads ( Ga
and J ).  If any only if you were wanting to run in the 11's or better,
would you benefit from the B or C heads( only because of high rpm>>5500+ ).
They have slightly larger runners and the intake runner is formed a little
differently ( You can measure the diff. but it's hard to see it by just
looking at 'em).

As we see with Robert's car, you can run some pretty good times with the
heads that you have AND they have hardened seats where the old heads don't.
That's a big plus for the valve job holding for 100,000 + .

As far as my cam, I'm running a COMPCAMS 292 ( 244 @0.050"/ 244@0.050" and
0.518"/0.518" )
With the cam and 2200 stall, Holley 750, torker, stock 'C' heads, 2 1/2 full
exhaust, 3.73, and ALL the rest are stock parts, I was able to get a 13.242
tire smoking run. My short time (60') was a whopping 2.015 sec.

Later fellow OLDS freaks.... ain't it great ?!

Donny
   

 


> ----------
> From: 	Igor T. '81 DRB 455[SMTP:igor455@home.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Sunday, November 15, 1998 4:25 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Ga VS J heads
> 
> >I had to learn this the hard way on a motor I built a few years back and
> >just don't want to see others make the same mistake that I did.
> 
> 
> What do you mean you made a mistake.  Did you change heads and notice a
> big
> difference.  I just installed my fresh, full rebuild 455, 9.5CR, mild cam
> (a
> little to small) in my '81 Delta.  It came out of a '76 and has J heads on
> it.  I could not find any better heads, and even these Ga heads were
> anything other then Js I could get.  The car still has stock EGR intake
> (although a non-EGR and non-emissions carb, EGR not hooked up).  I just
> got
> a intake from '70 442 that I will install on my motor.  It has stock
> exhaust
> manifolds, with dual 2.5" pipes, balancer tube, Dynomax mufflers and 2.25"
> tailpipes.  I only ported the exhaust side on the Js (which really opened
> up
> that chamber).  The car has TH400, 12-inch converter and 3.23 posi.  It
> HAULS ASS.  For a big Delta 88, sub 7 sec. 0-60 traction limited time is
> pretty good.  The tires are 255/60/15s.  Even so there is almost no
> traction
> in first gear.  The motor is strong, despite the Js.  If you take the same
> motor as it was in the '76 Delta and the way it is now, it must feel twice
> as strong.  My car is over 4000 lb..  This "new" Ga head 455 I got I plan
> to
> slowly rebuild.  Probably much the same way as I did my current one, new
> pistons, grind crank, etc., unless I don't have to.  I will try to take a
> bit more time to do this one and maybe spend a bit more money to make it
> better.  If I find some better heads, I will get them.  If I could only
> run
> headers on my car, that would be great.  What kind of cam do you run.
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:29:41 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?

Maybe axle bearings not pressed on far enough?
Just an idea... 

> ----------
> From: 	Mark Thurman[SMTP:Thurman@kvnet.org]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Sunday, November 15, 1998 7:29 PM
> To: 	Olds Mailing List
> Subject: 	Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?
> 
> To all:
> 
> I normally try to take all this stuff in stride BUT this one's got my guts
> in a
> knot:
> 
> I just had my differential (1970 Cutlass, type - 0, 12 bolt cover; 10 bolt
> -
> 8.5" r/g) rebuilt by a guy who's SPECIALTY (read: big $$$ - at least to
> me)
> is drive lines (albeit Bu*ck drive lines).  Along with all new bearings,
> shims, seals, etc (used the original gears) I had him install new axle
> bearings & seals (Federal Mogul A-9 ordered from Supercars) - he was
> hesitant about this (said the original bearings were superior to new, but
> I
> had already removed the originals).  Now today I noticed what I feel like
> is
> excessive axle endplay: ~1/16" on each axle.  The chassis manual states
> that
> for 54-86 series Oldsmobiles any endplay over .035" is excessive & must be
> corrected - I don't see any such info on the 31-48's.  The installation
> instructions with the bearing don't mention final assembly endplay.  Does
> anybody know if I really have a problem here?  Realistically I know it'll
> be
> 3+ years before this project is rolling (and I'm not even factoring in the
> 'mightaswells') so I'll need to get with this guy now if this needs
> fixing,
> he seems like a good guy (although not Olds-educated; he said a '68 455
> didn't exist)
> so I'm trying to resist the urge to call him at home tonight - I know I
> need
> to calm down & get my ducks in a row.
> 
> TIA
> 
> mt
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:32:56 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Advance/Retard Cam

When I built my 455, I installed a racing true DBL. roller chain & gears.
On the crank gear it gives you 2 degree advance/retard option.  I was
wondering what advancing or retarding the cam would do.  I would like just a
bit more top end power, that is all.  I believe that retarding the cam would
make it seem like a bigger cam.  What will this do for my
derivability/reliability.  What would I have to change my timing to.
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)  igor455@home.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:42:07 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

In a message dated 98-11-16 01:30:35 EST, you write:

<< On a 72 442 the interior emblem did nto say "442" but "Cutlass Supreme"
 correct?
 ALso on a 72 442 W-30 the inner fender wells were BLACK not RED, correct?
 
 
 Pettrix@prodigy.net
  >>
Only if it was a Convertible on the first question.  It said Cutlass when it
was a hardtop.  Yes 72 W cars had black inner wells.  Also since the W-30 was
an option, all 72's had external voltage regulators.  No 72 W cars came with
A/C either because of emissions.  

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
two 72 W-30's

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:45:25 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Advance/Retard Cam

Hello Igor,
Advancing a cam ( moving the intake centerline more toward 0 ) will lower
your Rpm power band. Retarding, the opposite.

If a cam specs say 106 deg intake centerline, putting the crank gear on the
( + ) or ( A )  will increase the bottom end torque.
 So, instead of a 2500-5500 cam it's now a 2000-5000 cam.
COMPCAMS tech line told me it shifts it 500 RPM for a  4 deg change in valve
timing.

Most timing gear sets have an advance/retard keyways of 4 deg instead of 2.
So yours wouldn't shift but 250 rpm. But, that would still help some.

Hope this helps
Donny 


> ----------
> From: 	Igor T. '81 DRB 455[SMTP:igor455@home.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, November 16, 1998 2:32 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Advance/Retard Cam
> 
> When I built my 455, I installed a racing true DBL. roller chain & gears.
> On the crank gear it gives you 2 degree advance/retard option.  I was
> wondering what advancing or retarding the cam would do.  I would like just
> a
> bit more top end power, that is all.  I believe that retarding the cam
> would
> make it seem like a bigger cam.  What will this do for my
> derivability/reliability.  What would I have to change my timing to.
> Thanks.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 
> 1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)  igor455@home.com
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:29:44 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

Does not the red fender wells look alot better than the black ones?

So the only way to tell a 71 442 W-30 from a 72 442 W-30 is the red fender
wells and  it would say "442" on the inner dash?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: WMACHINES@AOL.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 72 442 Question
> Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 1:42 AM
> Only if it was a Convertible on the first question.  It said Cutlass when
it
> was a hardtop.  Yes 72 W cars had black inner wells.  Also since the W-30
was
> an option, all 72's had external voltage regulators.  No 72 W cars came
with
> A/C either because of emissions.  
> 
> W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
> two 72 W-30's

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:01:49 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

In a message dated 98-11-16 03:25:56 EST, you write:

<< Does not the red fender wells look alot better than the black ones?
 
 So the only way to tell a 71 442 W-30 from a 72 442 W-30 is the red fender
 wells and  it would say "442" on the inner dash?
 Pettrix@prodigy.net >>
No, sir,first of all 71 442's vins started with 344.  But it did not show you
the W-30 option.  In 72, Olds changed the vin number system to engine codes.
A 72 W-30 has an "X" in the vin.  Most started out like 3G87X2M------  M is
for Lansing and the X is for W-30.  72 is the only year to have this.  Also
the 72 W30 would have Cutlass or Cutlass Supreme on the glove box door.  71
had 442.  72 W cars came with Ga heads, it was the same for all 455's in 72.
71 W cars had H heads and all other 455's got "G" heads. Both years got Alum
intakes that said OLDS-455.  Also 71 W cars came with or without A/C and  the
4speeds in 71 were M-22's and 72 they were M-20's.  71 W cars had a special
fuel filter going to the engine between the carb and fuel pump.  72's did not.

I hope that helps

W MACHINES

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:46:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '68 98 A/C control panel

Not on the list; respond to kathygannon@sprintmail.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Tom Gannon <kathygannon@sprintmail.com>
Subject: 1968 OLDS Ninety-Eight   AC/heater control panel

I am looking for a AC/heater control panel and/or a company that sells
reproduction oldsmobile parts.  Can someone please help?
					Thankyou,
					Lindsay Gannon	
				email:  kathygannon@sprintmail.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:59:16 EST
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: W-27 rear end price?

What is the going rate on a real W-27 rear end? What about one "in need of
service" 
Thanks David  OCA #30416
1970 442 W-30 Conv

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:18:52 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?

- -----Original Message-----
From: DUKEOLDS@aol.com <DUKEOLDS@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:32 PM
Subject: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?


>I have a chance to buy a 1980 Cutlass crown Royal fro $2000
> The guy selling it told me it had an
>experimental engine that olds was trying out that year, a 268 v8

Maybe a 260 becomes a 268 after a bottle of Seagram's Crown Royale....

drc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:56:20 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-27 rear end price?

>What is the going rate on a real W-27 rear end? What about one "in need of
>service" 



I saw one at 442.com about 6 months ago for $2500. Drum to Drum.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:06:08 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)

>M22 - 26 Spline Input Shaft
     6.5625 Total Input Shaft Length          (From bellhousing mating
surface)
     5.375     Length of Splines         (From bellhousing mating surface)
     1.075     Length of tip which rests inside pilot bushing


>M21 10 Spline Input Shaft
     6.250     Total Input Shaft Length       (From bellhousing mating
surface)
     5.625     Length of Splines         (From bellhousing mating surface)
      .625     Length of tip which rests inside pilot bushing

Steve and all others,

When I measured (with a tape) the M-20 and M-21 shafts, the tip was 1 inch.  I
would guess that the tip of your M-21 has been shortened.  If you add on the
difference to the M-21 number you have, you will see the overall length would
nearly match.  This takes us back to the fact that the crank pilot hole and
bushing is the same for either tranny used, which I believe was the original
question.  Steve's M-21 should work with one of the new bearing kits that are
used in a non-drilled crank from an automatic car.  I don't think the .250
difference in spline length will make much difference, probably just
manufacturing variance between the two designs.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:52:27 -0500
From: "Gib Loudon" <loud5269@kettering.edu>
Subject: Re: W-27 rear end price?

To actually put things straight.....and of course...there is always a very
slight chance that I might be wrong, but it is to my understanding:
There never really was a "W-27" Rear End.  The aluminum cover that says
"W-27" was a dealer installed option available for both the 10 and 12 bolt
rear ends.  The cover was intended for limited slip diffs, but many can be
found on open rears because of repros and parts that people have saved from
junkyard cars.  The cover was supposed to be able to help keep differential
temperatures lower because of the fins and the fact that aluminum dissipates
heat much better than steel.  So if anyone ever tells you that they have a
rare W-27 rear end.....be wary....because they may have a rare rear, but not
because it is a W-27.  Hope this helps.....Any corrections are welcome, but
make sure you address them to me and not the list.

Gib Loudon
http://www.cutlass.net
cutlass@mill.tds.net
loud5269@kettering.edu

- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: W-27 rear end price?


>
>
>>What is the going rate on a real W-27 rear end? What about one "in need of
>>service"
>
>
>
>I saw one at 442.com about 6 months ago for $2500. Drum to Drum.
>
>Randy
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:01:18 EST
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

In a message dated 98-11-16 03:25:56 EST, you write:

<<  No 72 W cars came
 with
 > A/C either because of emissions.   >>
This is what I always thought but I have seen 2 72 W-30's with ac.  Did not
see the VIN of either.  That X would have told the story.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:05:44 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)

David L Wyatt wrote:
> 
> >M22 - 26 Spline Input Shaft
>      6.5625 Total Input Shaft Length          (From bellhousing mating
> surface)
>      5.375     Length of Splines         (From bellhousing mating surface)
>      1.075     Length of tip which rests inside pilot bushing
> 
> >M21 10 Spline Input Shaft
>      6.250     Total Input Shaft Length       (From bellhousing mating
> surface)
>      5.625     Length of Splines         (From bellhousing mating surface)
>       .625     Length of tip which rests inside pilot bushing
> 
> Steve and all others,
> 
> When I measured (with a tape) the M-20 and M-21 shafts, the tip was 1 inch.  
I
> would guess that the tip of your M-21 has been shortened.  If you add on the
> difference to the M-21 number you have, you will see the overall length would
> nearly match.  This takes us back to the fact that the crank pilot hole and
> bushing is the same for either tranny used, which I believe was the original
> question.  Steve's M-21 should work with one of the new bearing kits that are
> used in a non-drilled crank from an automatic car.  I don't think the .250
> difference in spline length will make much difference, probably just
> manufacturing variance between the two designs.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2

	I didn't catch all of the notes going around on the M22, M21, M20 but I
thought I'd throw this one in. My '70 W30 came with a M20 and I changed
it to a M22, the mounting surface and crank-to-input shaft was a direct
bolt in (except 13 spline to 26 spline). Next, I had to locate a
"shifter mounting plate" this was NOT the same, M22 tail shaft is longer
which positioned the shifter further back, resulting in, different plate
and, a shorter drive shaft. Anyway, the "shifter mounting plate" took me
approximately 2 years to locate. ...... Just info passed a long.
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:11:52 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: cat converter

In a message dated 11/13/98 10:29:11 PM EST, KarlAune@aol.com writes:

<< Did it ~never~ rattle before?
 
 Asking because had thought that '76 era cats used a pellet media as support
 for the catalyst. >>

Don't know. BTW it's a 75 Delta 88. First yaer of cat converter. Never had
duals from the factory. I had them installed.(had to modify fron cross
member). 
Bruce 
75  Delta 88 conv. (with duals & edelbrock performer..cam is next)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:34:22 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 72 442 Question

> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>

> ALso on a 72 442 W-30 the inner fender wells were BLACK not RED, correct?
> 

Some early 72's came with red inner wells, but most 72 w-30 did not have
them. Too most people they expect not to see red wells in a 72.

My 72 w-30 rag didn't have them.

Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:40:01 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Coker Wheel

Wow...in response to a bunch of e-mail about repro-ing the SSIII wheels, I 
went 
to http://www.coker.com and they do in fact have them.  Click on Vintage 
Wheels 
and they're there...listed under Oldsmobile SSII, not SSIII.  They look a 
helluva lot like my SSIII's, but can't always tell by the pictures...look to 
be 
all chrome, though (no beauty ring).

Worth checking out!

Jason K. Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-mail: jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:40:29 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: W-27 rear end price?

To actually put things straight.....and of course...there is always a very
slight chance that I might be wrong, but it is to my understanding:
There never really was a "W-27" Rear End....
Gib Loudon
_________

Uh, sorry Gib, but you're wrong.  W-27 was the option code for the aluminum
center section rear axle in 70-72.  Note that not only was the cover
aluminum, but the actual center section of the housing was also aluminum to
save unsprung weight.  Axle tubes were still pressed-in steel.  In 1970
this was based on the "12 bolt" style Type O housing (12 bolt cover, but
actually has only 10 bolts holding the ring gear to the carrier); in 71-72
it was the 10 bolt corporate style housing.  The covers by themselves were
also sold over the parts counter as a dealer-installed item, which is
likely the source of confusion.  These units are quite rare and thus priced
accordingly.  Unfortunately, they had a reputation for being less than
robust when used in drag strip applications, as it is possible to split the
aluminum housing.

Also, note that I did send this to the list in addition to emailing
directly to clear up any possible misconceptions.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:44:04 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: M22 & M21 Transmission Differences (Input Shaft Only)

My '70 W30 came with a M20 and I changed it to a M22,...I had to locate a
"shifter mounting plate" this was NOT the same, M22 tail shaft is longer
which positioned the shifter further back, resulting in, different plate
and, a shorter drive shaft.
___________

Actually, the shifter mounting plate is not an M20 vs M22 distinction, it's
a model year distinction.  I'm not sure of the exact year (I want to say
1973, but I'm not 100% sure), but the tailhousing holes were relocated.
Same year M20s and M22s have the same shifter plates and mounting holes.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:17:37 -0500
From: CCAC Network User cgc74 <cgc74@unix1.ccac.edu>
Subject: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

Hi List,
Anybody know any specs for '73-'77 Cutlass coupe and sedan.  I know that
two doors had a 112" wheelbase and four doors had a 114" wheelbase.  I
am looking for width, overall length, luggage capacity, fuel capacity,
legroom, headroom and shoulder room.  Any help is appriciated.  Thanks
- -Chris Carlson

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:20:48 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Wanted 79-81 Toronado "XSC"

I'll be making my rounds with this request, putting it on all the Olds
lists that i know of. Bryceman's, Lisa's, the Olds mail list, the Toro
mail list, and will even run it by the G-body Olds guys. Looking for a
79-81 Toronado "XSC" CHEAP !!!. I'm not looking for a show car.
"Twilight Sentinel", "Tempmatic", moonroof, illuminated entry, factory
alarm, lamp monitors, and a power passenger seat, above and beyond the
usual Toro goodies a big plus. In other words, the more "candy" the
better !. Will consider any non "XSC" 79-85 Toro if it should happen to
have all the following options : buckets, console, gauges, dual sport
mirrors, 3-spoke leather wrapped sport steering wheel, and the firmer
suspension option. Most conditions considered, but like i said before,
cheap or reasonable. Olds V8 powered only please, no V6's !. Would love
to have one of the last "350" powered cars of the 79-80 era. Can't say i
would'nt mind finding one somebody dropped a "403" in either. Prefer to
find something on the East Coast, but if the price is right, and i can
drive it home ?

- -- 
"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. Click on the link below.....
http://www.1pontiac.com/cgi-bin/1pontiac-cgi/webbbs1-cgi/config.pl?read=3210
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:36:36 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing

Karl Aune posted:


<snipped>
>However, Karl has found that the Qjet was available mostly as a performance
>option on most 65-72 cars.
>"Performance" cars (4 4 2, Toronado, 98) came with them stock.
>
>Karl says that because he was looking for a 1969-72 Qjet today.
>
>Never saw so many 2 barrel carbs before.
>
>No experience with the other GM makes, but Caddy's may have used them more
>often than B-O-P cars...........................................

<snipped>


Lotsa early to mid eighties GM & Chevy trucks came with Q-jets (pickups, 
K-Blazers, Suburbans)


 roger hitson 

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:44:22 -0600
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

Chris:

I have a '76 Cutlass 2-Door.  The owner's manual says the overall length for
coupes is 209.6 (inches), sedans is 215.2; overall width is 76.2 for coupes,
76.7 for sedans; wheel base is 112 for coupes, 116 for sedans.  Could not
locate figures for the weight of the vehicles or cargo space.  Its not in
the sales brochure or owner's manual, but I did see it somewhere.  If I find
it, I'll let you know.

Barb



CCAC Network User cgc74 wrote:

> Hi List,
> Anybody know any specs for '73-'77 Cutlass coupe and sedan.  I know that
> two doors had a 112" wheelbase and four doors had a 114" wheelbase.  I
> am looking for width, overall length, luggage capacity, fuel capacity,
> legroom, headroom and shoulder room.  Any help is appriciated.  Thanks
> -Chris Carlson

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:54:25 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?

Federal Mogul is an old, respected name in the industry.  I don't know how
they treat their employees, but we in the after market use their products
with impunity.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Gerschutz <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Rear axle rebuild - excessive endplay?


>bearings & seals (Federal Mogul A-9 ordered from Supercars) - he was

Happened to notice you used Federal Mogul seals.  Well, I have a
co-op position interview coming up with them here shortly and was
wondering if this was a respectable company.  Anyone out there have
good/bad opinions on them?  It sounds like they are good if a
pro-rebuilder used them, but I don't know.

TIA
Joe

P.S. I also had interviews with GM, T*yota, and H*nda (Sorry about
the last two, but I just have to get into the auto industry
somewhere).



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- ---Joe Gerschutz------------------------------
- ---University of Dayton----------------------
- ---gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu--------
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