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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 13 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1601



Re: Repro Door Panel Suppliers??
Re: TBI
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: Books & Manuals
Re: Replacement body panels advice
rear end gears
Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
RE: rear end gears
Re:: value
Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)
Re: rear end gears
Re: rear end gears
Re: rear end gears
Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .
Re: Uneven Rear
Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .
Re: Books & Manuals
Re: Car/Parts 4 sale
the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: ??? 62-63 Dynamic 88? (glass)
Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
Re: Cutless Door.
Re: Hot Rod Trivia
F41
Re: Replacement body panels advice
Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Books & Manuals
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
bumpers
bumpers
Couple of Questions
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Hurst Olds
RE: Couple of Questions
Re: Couple of Questions
N.O.S parts needed for '78 cutlass
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Hurst Olds
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Hurst Olds
Re: Cutlass Door.
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: valve cover paint
Re: ??? 62-63 Dynamic 88? (glass)
Re: Hot Rod Trivia
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Hot Rod Trivia
Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Easy Questions
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: Couple of Questions
Re: Hurst Olds
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:28:27 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Repro Door Panel Suppliers??

where can you buy a door skin for a 69   442 ?I have looked every where.
Butch 68 442  post

Jeff & Sherie Stanish wrote:

> I would like to know if it is worth the extra cost of buying assembled
> door panels versus just the door panel skin.  Any
> experiences/recommendations would be appreciated.
>
> This is for a 1969 442.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:02:57 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: TBI

Holley Pro Fuel Injection 900cfm!  Tell me more!  It will be a while before
I can afford one but I like the idea of a self contained throttle body
package.  How was it to install?  Any growing pains?  Let me know what you
think of the system.  If it is too long please e-Mail me direct.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

>From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
>In a message dated 11/10/98, 5:18:25 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
><<
>Fuel injected Olds?? Never heard of this. Can I get alittle more input??>>
>Are we talking from the factory or after market . My 70 olds is fuel
injected
>using the holley pro fuel injection 900cfm
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:08:56 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I've got it Matt.  I use it talk to my bro in CA and any body who try's to
call and cannot get me on the phone so they strike up aim(AOL Instant
Messenger).  Aim has a chat function too.  The Unit will be one sweet piece
when you are done!  If I ever locate '68 to '72 Cutlass for $300 you bet its
mine!

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

>Sorry about the waste,
>But I was just curious as to who has this. I know Karl has it, along
>with most people on AOL, but who else?
>
>BTW- my name is CSupreme73 if anyone wants to get ahold of me.
>- --
>***********
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
>***************************
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
>1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
>1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
>1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
>*******************************************
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>*******************************************

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:22:58 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Books & Manuals

Fred,
    I have a Chassis Service Manual from them.  It was used and I think it
cost about $45.  Well worth it but I'm a stickler for Shop Manuals.  My
first experience with auto manuals was with Chiltons ('75 rustang) so when I
started my next project('63 Chevy) I bought the official shop manuals.  It
is the only way to go.  These are what the dealerships were issued when the
cars were new.  When I bought my '92 Grand Am the first thing I did was to
order shop manuals.  They have already come in handy a few times.  My first
dealings with U.S.A. Parts Supply Ltd. was to order a shop manual for my '73
Delta.  How much do they want for your manual?  You should shop around but
yes, they are great to have.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

>Hello all, I was looking at the books available in a catalog from U.S.A.
>Parts Supply Ltd. and was wondering if anyone owns any of the chassis
>service manuals or the master parts books. If so, were they worth the
>money since they're not that cheap. I own the assembly manual and find it
>very helpful.
>Fred Kemp
>bloom9@juno.com
>'67 442
>'67 Cutlass S
>'67 Cutlass
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:17:51 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Replacement body panels advice

In a message dated 11/12/98 9:57:53 PM Central Standard Time,
jlabay@neo.rr.com writes:

<< I am trying to find the best and cheapest source for body repair panels.
My
 1972 Cutlass Supreme needs lower fender patch panels, rear 1/4 lower patch
 panels (only at very bottom of rear), and a right rear outter wheel housing
 replacement panel.  Quality isn't really important as long as the price is
 good.  This 72 is going to be a strip/cruise car and will hardly if ever see
 a car show.  Only place I have founds so far is Oldsmobile USA parts supply.
>>

Jason, quality IS important. The few dollars that you might save by buying
cheap panels will be more than offset by the time it takes your body man to
work them to get them to fit. Even good quality panels take some fitting, but
poor quality panels could take hours to fit. So, figure what your labor rate
is and add 5 or 6 hours or more to the cost of the cheap panels. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:30:44 -0500
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: rear end gears

I have a rear end from the '85 Cutlass I parted out. I popped the cover
off last night to check the gear ratio - 22/47 were the numbers I found
on the ring gear. This comes out to 2.13-2.14? 

This car accelerated like a banshee! 

It's got the sway bar on the rear, heavy suspension, lots of toys and
they stuck this low a number on the rear gears??????

I'm totally confused....

Jim...

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:42:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?

OK, all you sharp dressers out there, I found your tie. The 'net is just
so amazing sometimes... go to this URL:

http://www.ties4sale.com/cars.html

Lots of neat ones there. Know nothing about the company, etc. etc. but
thought you would like to see it.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:48:09 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: rear end gears

Jim Olson wrote:

<Snip
I have a rear end from the '85 Cutlass I parted out. I popped the cover
off last night to check the gear ratio - 22/47 were the numbers I found
on the ring gear. This comes out to 2.13-2.14?

<GJC>

Quincy also had a 2.14 rear with 200-C Metric. Best I can figure, the mid
'80's Olds G-body received this combo as standard fair. Though that rear
sway bar and heavy suspension usually signifies a 442 rear axle assembly
when installed from the factory. Sounds as though yours was mildly
suspendedly changed after birth. Still have that rear bar?

So what are all the "Toys".


- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs
Purling, N.Y.
 12470-9709

mailto:gjcouse@francomm.com

ICQ# 5209322
Personal ICQ Communication Center
http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5209322

Couse Custom Cutlass Prototype,
CC-IROC-SS-#00001 =  "Quincy"
http://members.tripod.com/CC_IROC_SS/
Soon to be: www.CC_IROC_SS.com

Oldsmobile Club of America
http://www.oldsclub.org

For free Win95-98 Support, come visit GJC at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/win95board/multipage1.html
G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer
mailto:techsupport@salemcounty.com



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jim Olson
Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:31 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: rear end gears




This car accelerated like a banshee!

It's got the sway bar on the rear, heavy suspension, lots of toys and
they stuck this low a number on the rear gears??????

I'm totally confused....

Jim...

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:32:46 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re:: value

Dino,
    What are the details on this 69 Cutlass?  If you do keep the 75 I might
be interested in the 69.  If you have a picture please send it direct.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

>>In a message dated 98-11-11 21:20:10 EST, you write:
>
><<  I am in a tough situation I have a 69 cutlass i would love to fix up.My
> problem is I just found a 75 h/o it needs a good bit of work but it is
>suppose

> to have original engine and tranny. He wants $700 for it. I know most of
you
> want to know what the real problem is(I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO BOTH) sorry i
just
> had to get that out if i get the 75 then i need to sell my 69(any offers?)
> Any advice would be helpful.
>
>
> Thank you
> Dino

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:35:51 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: Instant Messenger (non-olds, sorry)

I'm a guy, just so you know, but I am above the rest ;). I'm a 14 year old kid
with 3 oldss, yeah, the ones listed are mine.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:43:57 -0600
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: rear end gears

>Quincy also had a 2.14 rear with 200-C Metric. Best I can figure, the mid
>'80's Olds G-body received this combo as standard fair. Though that rear
>sway bar and heavy suspension usually signifies a 442 rear axle assembly
>when installed from the factory. Sounds as though yours was mildly
>suspendedly changed after birth. Still have that rear bar?


No, the heavy suspension wasn't just a 442 option. RPO code F41 was
available on any of the Cutlass models. BTW, it was a $49 option in '87. It
did come standard on the 442 however.

The F41 Option, from the '87 literature was:
Includes Firm Ride Front and Rear Shock Absorbers. Higher Rate Front and
Rear Springs, Larger Front Stabilizer Bar, Rear Stabilizer Bar, and Special
Steering Gear.

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net     http://cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:57:29 -0500
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: rear end gears

(clip)
>The F41 Option, from the '87 literature was:
>Includes Firm Ride Front and Rear Shock Absorbers. Higher Rate Front >and 
Rear Springs, Larger Front Stabilizer Bar, Rear Stabilizer Bar, and >Special 
Steering Gear.
>
>-Mark Tupper 

So it's probably a good thing that I salvaged the steering gear off the
car as well, if it had that option? It does have a vary large sway bar
in front, as well as the one hooked to the rear arms.

Jim...

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:06:13 -0600
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: rear end gears

>So it's probably a good thing that I salvaged the steering gear off the
>car as well, if it had that option? It does have a vary large sway bar
>in front, as well as the one hooked to the rear arms.


Yeah, I'd say that was a smart move...the "special" gearing for the steering
gear was 12.70:1. I had this gear on my 84 Cutlass Calais, and is on the
442. I've only driven one Olds without the F41 option, and the "play" in the
wheel was much more noticable than in the F41 optioned cars. I'm not sure if
that's the result of the gearing, or the rest of the suspension components,
but the whole combination makes a nice riding and very responsive car. :-)

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net     http://cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:32:33 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .

In a message dated 98-11-11 10:21:07 EST, you write:

<< Anyone know what the part houses call it?  GM calls it EFE, but the
 autoparts stores seem clueless to the name.  
  It only operates until coolant temp reaches 65-70 degrees F.  Then it is
 shut off.  Don't disconnect it, it does help, this is one that can hose you
 with excessive pinging if it is routed incorrectly. >>

Really?

Jason....????

<<  GM has a special lubricant to lube it periodically to prevent it from
sticking.  (Like anyone does REAL preventive maintenance!)   >>

Would like to but most part numbers are gibberish to modern Oldsmobile
dealership parts guys. What is the modern part #?

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:32:34 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Uneven Rear

In a message dated 98-11-10 19:43:14 EST, you write:

<< The driver side rear sits approx. one inch lower than the passenger
 side. The front end is fine. Here is what I have; new air shocks, but I have
 not replaced the springs. Could it be the springs? Does anyone have any idea
 where to look. >>

SOM was permanently canted to the left side overall until the spring and shock
swap.

Think that might have been better than now. 
Flat and unbouncy is boring.

SOM is BB so front probably was more susceptible to spring sag.

Almost certainly spring-related.
Try Springs N Things....
Good $$.
Gotta have their catalogue here somewhere......

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:32:32 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Restrictor???  Hmm . . .

OK, OK!

Factory Exh Mans got heat risers.

Karl can vouch for 1965 heat riser being on drivers side of the first big
block series.

Some corporate puke musta desired an acronym to make it sound like an
emmission control system.

Sorry Chuck.
(Buehner, posssible future Oldsmobile Corporate Puke)

SOM

&KA
ICQ #20414415
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
http://members.aol.com/KarlAune/rage.html

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:32:30 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Books & Manuals

In a message dated 98-11-11 17:06:53 EST, you write:

<< Hello all, I was looking at the books available in a catalog from U.S.A.
 Parts Supply Ltd. and was wondering if anyone owns any of the chassis
 service manuals or the master parts books. If so, were they worth the
 money since they're not that cheap. >>

Bought my 1965 Chassis Service Manual from 1 800 BYA BOOK for $70.
(prolly too much but Karl dint know then)

Since bought the body manual for $40 at a swap meet.
Believe it was the Oldsmobile Centennial Swap Meet.

Since then aquired a 1958 Service Manual from www.Ebay.com for $28.

Are they worth the money?
In each instance, Y-E-S!

$70 for the Chassis Manual was probably expensive.
But the information it contained has been used to such an extent that it could
be considered invaluable to Karl!

(Honestly have not used the body manual so much....)

Also of some interest is the Assembly Manual, if you can find it....

Good luck!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:39:05 -0500
From: "VBDeveloper" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale

Have you seen any '69 Ninety-Eights in your travels?? I need front clip
badly, including bumper and hood.

- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@MCI2000.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Car/Parts 4 sale
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 09:59 AM
> 
> is that rearend a 10 or 12 bolt?.kk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 7:44 AM
> Subject: RE: Car/Parts 4 sale
> 
> 
> Would you have a 69 antenna and drivers side remote mirror with real nice
> chrome? By the way I been on this list for 3 years and this is only the
3rd
> time I've seen someone selling stuff that is actually worth selling.
> 
> Chris Urban
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com [SMTP:SOMMERVLLE@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 8:14 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Car/Parts 4 sale
> 
> Well guys and gals made my rounds to the junkyards this weekend and here
are
> a
> few of the things that I've found. I'f you are interested please e-mail
me
> privately at
> SOMMERVLLE@AOL.COM  or call (910) 487-1540 home or (910) 396-5420 work
ask
> for
> SSG Chris Sommerville (I'm in the Army, located in Fayetteville NC) all
> parts
> are priced without shipping
> all of this stuff is subject to trade need some 69 442 parts, and always
> looking for another 442.
> MY STUFF
> 1970 442 south carolina car, has some rust and dents but is a solid
start.
> Is
> a bench seat, auto on the column 455 AC car. Has the wrong year 455 in it
> but
> know where the original 455 is located at. Car has potentialwas green on
> green
> w/ black leather interior. Have pictures and can e-mail on request want
> $1200
> 
> 68-72 A body rear end 3.73 posi complete (it's out of a ch-vy) good shape
> $350
> 
> ladder bars and mounts for GM A body $75
> 
> Set of weld wheels front 2 are 15x5 and rear 2 are 15x8 good shape $400
> 
> new 4 core radiator for 68-72 442 used one month $200
> 
> flowmaster exhaust from the header collectors to exit behind rear wheels
> good
> shape $100
> 
> set of "C" heads pulled off of a running motor I would say that they need
to
> be gone through $125
> 
> set of "8" heads off of a running motor $75
> 
> picking up a 1969 C/S parts car in decent shape has a #5 headed 350 and a
> turbo 400 e-mail for needs
> 
> Junkyards, will act as the middle man and I will have to get a price from
> the
> yard for you.
> 1968 442 some small items no nose has a "C" headed 400 and auto trans
> (Sitting
> for some time)
> 
> 1966 or 67 F85 (2, one is a post car) and cutlass complete
> 
> several 1969 and 70-72 cutlass's 2 and 4drs
> 
> 1971 442 been stipped inside and doors are gone rest of car in decent
shape
> 
> several 455's most with G and J heads. one E motor
> 
> 2 sets of T-Tops for 1979 and newer cutlass's good shape
> 
> several 73-77 cutlass and 442's
> 
> TONS of G body stuff in great shape
> If you are interested let me know Thanks Chris
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:20:37 -0200
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gibran_Curtiss_Salom=E3o?= <gibran@smtp.mj.gov.br>
Subject: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks



Gibran Curtiss Salomão
55-61-234-3965
gibran@mj.gov.br
icq:13807962
pontiac.homepage.nu
pontiac webring webmaster

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:31:06 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gibran_Curtiss_Salom=E3o?= wrote:

> the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> 
> 
> 
> Gibran Curtiss Salomão
> 55-61-234-3965
> gibran@mj.gov.br
> icq:13807962
> pontiac.homepage.nu
> pontiac webring webmaster
> 
NO< NO > NO
Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets  
  

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:45:46 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: ??? 62-63 Dynamic 88? (glass)

In a message dated 98-11-12 21:47:33 EST, you write:

<< Hello. Wether this car is a 62 or 63 it will have a 394 if it is the
 correct motor. The 394 was used on all big cars from 59-64 and is hard
 to find parts for now. >>

Whoops.
You are correct.
Karl was talking about what he could recall of the late 50s-early 60's.
(Which ain't much!!!)
Knew there was a year when the 371 was available as well as the 394.
There was.
1960 was the only year of that decade to see the older 371 offered on some
dynamic models, with the 394 in most others. 1961 - 1963 saw the 215 and 394.

What Karl would like to know, is how interchangeable the front/back glass is
among the full-size cars. Will 1962 Dynamic glass fit the 1962 98?

Any interchange between years?

Thanks!

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:45:48 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?

In a message dated 98-11-12 21:30:13 EST, you write:

<<  What saying, quoptes, even pics would you like to be on these ties? >>

Know EXACTLY what is needed!

A Royal blue tie with the 1965 - era rocket emblem in red and silver on the
buisiness end of it!

Out Of Sight!

And yah, Karl already gots the gray T-shirt with the 1965-era Olds hood
letters and rocket emblem on it!

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:45:47 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutless Door.

Hi Ron!

Get the door !!!!

Do not be choosey about if it has the mirror or not!

You can always have the correct mirror (if there is one) installed later.
(Or do it yourself)

The ~important~ thing is that you have located a correct door for you
Oldsmobile!

And $100 is not that much for sheetmetal !!!

Karl would be damned lucky to get sheetmetal for as little as $150!

Which could take an entire parts car in CO mebbe..........
But much more than that would be spent in retrieving it!

As long as it works, how big a deal is the mirror?

Sorry if Karl offends.
Write it off as another hallucination of..

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:45:44 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trivia

In a message dated 98-11-13 01:42:38 EST, you write:

<< "Momma, I got a HOT ROD"
  Who knows the band or artist who performed this ditty?
  I am sure Joe Padavano and Don Sowers know this one. Just give the others a
 chance before you quote the year and name. >>

Have meant to do this for quite a while.

Hook up component stereo to sound card and create some WAV files.

Actually good at the wiring stuff, transfered some audio clips from
videocassette to cassete tape previously, fabricated the patch cords.

Have a post-war (barely) blues song (on vinyl, of course) of Howlin' Wolf
crooning about his "rocket Oldsmobile" !!!!

Gonna make a huge wav file and create a download spot for it on my page.

Gonna get to work on this and let you all know.

It may take a while, gotta warm up the soldering iron.
(used same to fabricate connections to Super Coil, but not yet to bypass
factory resistor wire [ DOH!!! ] )

More later.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:46:22 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: F41

Does anyone know of all the components the F41 suspension constituted in
1981.  I have this F41 on my Delta, so I am wondering.  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:45:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement body panels advice

 Year One has excellent patch panels for most applications.  I used
them on my '70 and it came out great.  Also, the price is great.

good luck,

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:56:50 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?

Uh..... beg to shatter illusions here.

All the ties Karl just saw were bold text on solid background.

Much akin to the Title on a book's spine.

Uninteresting aside from the content.

Typically acronyms such as TLAR, FIGMO, FUBAR, SNAFU.

Such as now.

The "Rocket Tie" ~WILL~ be real !!

"It is a dream I have."
    - King Arthur, in "Excalibur"

SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:54:54 -0800
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Two different engines!
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32
- ----------
> From: Gibran Curtiss Salomão <gibran@smtp.mj.gov.br>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 9:20 AM
> 
> the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:02:19 -0800
From: "John Young" <realtorjohn@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?

Karl, Looked like a pictoral Olds history to me? Different browser?
realtorjohn@sprynet.com
69 442 W-32

- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 9:56 AM
> 
> Uh..... beg to shatter illusions here.
> 
> All the ties Karl just saw were bold text on solid background.
> 
> Much akin to the Title on a book's spine.
> 
> Uninteresting aside from the content.
> 
> Typically acronyms such as TLAR, FIGMO, FUBAR, SNAFU.
> 
> Such as now.
> 
> The "Rocket Tie" ~WILL~ be real !!
> 
> "It is a dream I have."
>     - King Arthur, in "Excalibur"
> 
> SOM
> &KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:32:47 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Is a buick an Olds? I dont think so, so why would the engine be the same...use
some brains ;)
Kelly

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:36:16 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

At 03:20 PM 11/13/98 -0200, you wrote:
>the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
>

Nope.
Pontiac, Olds and Buick all made their own engines.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:03:34 -0600
From: bloom9@juno.com (C K)
Subject: Re: Books & Manuals

Jim, they're asking $99.95 in the 1998 edition catalog. I've been getting
answers like yours, so I think I'll go ahead and order one when I can.
And yes, I will shop around first. Thanks.
Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
'67 442
'67 Cutlass S
'67 Cutlass

  How much do they want for your manual?  You should shop around 
>but
>yes, they are great to have.
>
>Jim Brady
>1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
>http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
>bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:29:24 -0500 (EST)
From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Well as you've seen... there are differences... for descriptions of
exactly what some of the differences are... see 
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofeng.htm in the Olds FAQ.

On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, [ISO-8859-1] Gibran Curtiss Salomão wrote:

> the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> 
> Gibran Curtiss Salomão
> 55-61-234-3965
> gibran@mj.gov.br
> icq:13807962
> pontiac.homepage.nu
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 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:48:05 -0500
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Be nice Kelly. Is a 350 Olds a 350 Chevy is a 350 Pontiac is a 350
Buick? 

Nope. BUT! There are many years that used cross-platform engines. We're
not all as informed as others are. That's why we ask the questions. 

Jim...

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:10:03 PST
From: "adam olson" <olson_adam@hotmail.com>
Subject: bumpers

Hello list,
Does anybody remember where the "bumper palace" is. I accidently erased 
that message about a month ago and now I am going to need some new 
bumbers for a 1965 vista cruiser that I just purchased. All I remember 
about the place was that it was in Canada. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:10:51 PST
From: "adam olson" <olson_adam@hotmail.com>
Subject: bumpers

Hello list,
Does anybody remember where the "bumper palace" is. I accidently erased 
that message about a month ago and now I am going to need some new 
bumbers for a 1965 vista cruiser that I just purchased. All I remember 
about the place was that it was in Canada. 
Adam Olson

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:27:20 -0500
From: David Booker <dbooker@mindspring.com>
Subject: Couple of Questions

You guys have been really helpful. I have a couple of dumb questions.
Regarding my '69 442 convertible (400 AT AC Rochester quad):

1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like it
would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?

2) Pretty sure this is in the carb, since everything else is new
(points,plugs,coil,wires,etc.)  At speed, say a 50 mph cruise, a sudden
full throttle results in a momentary bog then it screams all the way to
redline. Too lean? Too rich? Any ideas.

David Booker
Atlanta

'69 442 Conv (w/w/w 400 AT mint)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:40:14 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Please be nice.  Not everyone is knowledgable about everything.  many
people drive these great vehicles and don't work on them.  Many of us do
both.  There is no such thing as a stupid answer/question. So if you have
the answer, explain the difference.  "Everyday you learn something and
everyday you forget something."

At 01:32 PM 11/13/1998 EST, you wrote:
>Is a buick an Olds? I dont think so, so why would the engine be the
same...use
>some brains ;)
>Kelly
>
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:51:15 PST
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hurst Olds

Does anyone know if a 1970 Hurst Olds was made and if one was where 
could I find pictures.  Even if anyone out there knows of pictures of a 
prototype 1970 H/O I would be very interested.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:56:57 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Couple of Questions

David Booker wrote:

1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like it
would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?

Ooo, Ooo, (hand up), It's called "heat soak". When the starter armature over
a period of time receives enough radiant heat to swell within the starter
housing. As they heat they usually expand at fairly consistent rates. The
cool down cycle is more the cause, (I believe). The housing by contrast is
lot less dense than the armature core. When you shutdown the engine after a
period of time of cooling, the starter housing starts to cool and contract
around the armature. The armature contains heat longer and contracts slower
than the housing. Hence the housing tends to squeeze the armature. Sort of
putting the brakes on it's self. There are also electrical aspects at play.
Anyone else got that side of it?

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Couse Customs
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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of David Booker
Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 3:27 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Couple of Questions


You guys have been really helpful. I have a couple of dumb questions.
Regarding my '69 442 convertible (400 AT AC Rochester quad):

1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like it
would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?

2) Pretty sure this is in the carb, since everything else is new
(points,plugs,coil,wires,etc.)  At speed, say a 50 mph cruise, a sudden
full throttle results in a momentary bog then it screams all the way to
redline. Too lean? Too rich? Any ideas.

David Booker
Atlanta

'69 442 Conv (w/w/w 400 AT mint)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:00:22 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

> 1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time 
> turning the engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering
> if there was any known reason for an engine to become harder to
> turn over when hot. Seems like it would be the other way 'round.
> Maybe I need more amps?

I think the usual fix discussed around here involves putting a heat
shield on the starter, which is threatening to seize from the heat.
Is your cooling system in good shape? Maybe it's running hotter than
it used to.

> 2) Pretty sure this is in the carb, since everything else is new
> (points,plugs,coil,wires,etc.)  At speed, say a 50 mph cruise, a
> sudden full throttle results in a momentary bog then it screams all
> the way to redline. Too lean? Too rich? Any ideas.

Non-functioning accelerator pump, perhaps?

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:09:01 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: N.O.S parts needed for '78 cutlass

anybody have any NOS stuff for sale for a '78 cutlass?  i need front and rear
bumpers, and pretty much all of the exterior chrome.  also, i would be
interested in the interior stuff.  mainly what i need interiorwise is the
little chrome pieces such as ashtrays and the roof light.  any help finding
this stuff would also be great.  thanks,
jeremy
BIGJERMES@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:16:54 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

DonziKel@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Is a buick an Olds? I dont think so, so why would the engine be the 
same...use
> some brains ;)
> Kelly


No need to get testy.  GM got sued several years ago for crossing
engines into different product lines and not issuing a disclaimer.  If
you check the paperwork on today's cars they will say something to the
effect that the engine is manufactured by ..., etc. and may not be brand
specific.  They were installing Chev engines in Olds/Buicks/etc and not
saying so.  They were still touting the Olds Rocket whatever or Chev
Turbo whatever and advertising to the public that each of them were
superior to the others.  Some people thought that was misleading
advertising and a class action suit followed. 

Additionally many parts, both mechanical and body, are interchangeable
within the same sized(bodied) vehicles and in some cases among vehicles
of differing sizes.  Other wise there would not as much discussion on
the list of the places to obtain parts other than Olds only.  A parts
interchange book would provide more than a few surprises for you if
studied long enough.  So no, I don't think the comment use some brains
is appropriate for a question of this nature.  Sometimes the correct
answer just MIGHT surprise you.  Not meant as a flame or a slam, Kelly,
just an observation.  I think you will find that all of us ask a
question that appears obvious or "silly" from time to time, but a quest
for knowledge is neither.  Glad you could join us on the Olds list.  I
have learned a lot and met some very nice people since joining a year
and a half ago.  And I look forward to doing furthering my
education/Olds family.  Enjoy.....

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:38:24 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds

scott slater wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if a 1970 Hurst Olds was made and if one was where
> could I find pictures.  Even if anyone out there knows of pictures of a
> prototype 1970 H/O I would be very interested.

I don't remember a 1970 H/O being part of the Olds production that year.
If you go to 442.com and check the FAQ or hit the Hurst Olds club page
you might find an answer or two.  I think the only "special" cars built
that year were the Rally 350 and the pace car.  I could be in error
however.  Good luck.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:00:11 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

> Is a buick an Olds? I dont think so, so why would the engine be the
same...use
> some brains ;)
_________

Well, as others have pointed out, newbies are here to ask questions, and
we're here to answer them.  HOWEVER, much of this information _is_ in the
FAQ, and we can do all a favor by checking there first.  FWIW, note that
Buick motors have the distributor in the _front_, Olds motors in the
_back_.  Pretty hard for it to be the same engine.  And, yes, the Olds
aluminum 215 had the distributor in the front.  That's because the motor
was designed by Buick, with Olds-unique heads and intake.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:01:31 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds

In a message dated 11/13/98 3:53:31 PM Central Standard Time,
slater442w30@hotmail.com writes:

<< Does anyone know if a 1970 Hurst Olds was made...  >>

There was originally supposed to be an H/O for 1970, but evidently Olds and
Hurst couldn't come to an agreement. Olds wanted a junior supercar, and I
assume that Hurst wanted to go with a 455. This is just speculation on my
part. But the writing was on the wall for musclecars by 1970, and Olds wanted
something with a lot of flash but easier to insure and with a lower sticker
price. So they went it alone and came out with the Rallye 350. 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:12:26 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Door.

Ron, 
Option only.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net


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> From: Ron or JoAnn Hengerer <Rhengerer@email.msn.com>
> To: gbody <olds_gbody@listbot.com>; Old's List
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Cutless Door.
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 6:52 PM
> 
> I need a right side door for my 74 Cutless S.  I've located one in a
scrap
> yard for $100.  They will probably ship it to me but the guy isn't sure
if
> there is a mirror on it or not.  I don't think I want it without the
mirror.
> Didn't the Cutless Supreme come with a right side mirror.
> 
> Thanks Ron
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:29:10 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

1) Could be a little too much initial advance.  Could be the armature in the
starter swells when it gets hot.  Could be the starter heat soaks.  Could be
the pistons fit tighter in the bores when the engine is hot.
2) Prime suspect here is the accelerator pump in the carb.  Secondary
suspect is the advance diaphragm in the distributor.  If you have it plumbed
to manifold vacuum, then timing will crash when you drill it.
3) Why don't you come to the Olds club meeting tomorrow in Lawrenceville?
E-mail me back for directions.  Like the man said, "C'mon Down".  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: David Booker <dbooker@mindspring.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 3:27 PM
Subject: Couple of Questions


>You guys have been really helpful. I have a couple of dumb questions.
>Regarding my '69 442 convertible (400 AT AC Rochester quad):
>
>1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
>engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
>reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like it
>would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?
>
>2) Pretty sure this is in the carb, since everything else is new
>(points,plugs,coil,wires,etc.)  At speed, say a 50 mph cruise, a sudden
>full throttle results in a momentary bog then it screams all the way to
>redline. Too lean? Too rich? Any ideas.
>
>David Booker
>Atlanta
>
>'69 442 Conv (w/w/w 400 AT mint)
>
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:31:09 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: valve cover paint

Hadn't thought of that, but I have noticed this finish on more and more
aftermarket valve covers and air cleaners. If it get's to be a pain, I put
another set on.

- -----Original Message-----

>I would think that after a reasonably short period of run time, that the
>wrinkle finish paint texture would become quite a grease collector. Not a
>flame, just an assessment. Keep the gumout handy and good luck.
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Customs
>Purling, N.Y.
> 12470-9709
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:35:52 -0500
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: ??? 62-63 Dynamic 88? (glass)

Well that's kind of hard to answer. It all depends whether or not the
car is a 2-dr, or 4dr. I know that some windows are interchangeable
between the models but I'm not sure which ones off the top of my head,
you would have to look it up in the book, and I seem to have misplaced 
mine right now.  If this is extremly important to you I'm sure I can
find out but I need a little more information on body style. Talk to you
later.

Cliff McFarlane - Ontario, Canada
1962 Ninety-Eight - (parts)
1962 Starfire conv. - (in restoration)
1962 Starfire htp - (parts)
1963 Starfire htp - (future project)
1963 Starfire htp - (restored)  http://www.442.com/mcfarlane.html
1963 Starfire conv. - (parts)
1957 F*rd Fairlane 500 conv. - (restored) 
________________________________________________________________________ 

>What Karl would like to know, is how interchangeable the front/back >glass is 
among the full-size cars. Will 1962 Dynamic glass fit the >1962 98?
>
>Any interchange between years?
>
>Thanks!
 
SOM
&KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:10:12 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trivia

Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
"B" side of a "Little Richard" song, forgot the "A" side, "A" side was the
big hit, (memory is the second thing to go), "Picked her up in my "88",
believe it was "RIP IT UP". Well, the lyrics went like that. Now I forgot
what the jest of this message was, 
(Neurons misfiring again). Ya, now I know, dad had an "88", too young to
drive or he wouldn't let me. Always wanted to pick HER up in my "88", know
I have a 442 and a Cutlass, (442 is not a cutlass, at least to me), never
got to have a "88". But, I'm not dead yet!
- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trivia
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:45 AM
> 
> In a message dated 98-11-13 01:42:38 EST, you write:

> Have meant to do this for quite a while.
> 
> Hook up component stereo to sound card and create some WAV files.
> 
> Actually good at the wiring stuff, transfered some audio clips from
> videocassette to cassete tape previously, fabricated the patch cords.
> 
> Have a post-war (barely) blues song (on vinyl, of course) of Howlin' Wolf
> crooning about his "rocket Oldsmobile" !!!!
> 
> Gonna make a huge wav file and create a download spot for it on my page.
> 
> Gonna get to work on this and let you all know.
> 
> It may take a while, gotta warm up the soldering iron.
> (used same to fabricate connections to Super Coil, but not yet to bypass
> factory resistor wire [ DOH!!! ] )
> 
> More later.
> 
> SOM
> &KA

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:14:53 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

but comeon, that one is just TOO simple, eh?
I could be wrong?
Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:17:42 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Trivia

I have all three :P
1966 Cutlass
1966 442
1954 Super 88
Kelly Erickson
http://kellys-oldsmobile.iscool.net

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:26:45 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: last night's 455 teardown /  Cam Question

> >Hey folks,
> >
> >I tore into the 455 for next year's race vehicle and found out a previous
> >owner had a passion for Erson products, namely dual valvesprings / lifters
> /
> >cam / valve covers....
> >
> >After finally getting to the camshaft...I saw on the distributor end of the
> >cam "ERSON TQ-20H"
> >Any help on finding out the lift/duration numbers???  I'm running into a
> >dead end.  Jegs and Summit dont sell erson stuff... the only other place I
> >knew of that sold Erson was Super Shops and they thankfully went out of
> >business.  I usually wont use erson cams because they seem like chevy
> >patterns copied to an olds blank.  No split duration and lift.
> >
> >
> >Thanks in advance
> >
> >Dave Worthington
> >(havent had any luck in finding my stolen 2x4 intake and carbs yet)

  Dave,

Last I knew ASAP sold Erson cams.

Shane Gibreal

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:26:10 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Gary, thank you for getting the mechanical/physical side of things. I'll take
over on the electrical side. Like somebody mentioned about the advance, that
doesn't help if it's too advanced no matter if the engine is hot or cold. Check
that puppy just for safety sakes. As for the electrical, Due to the extra
"strain" because of heat soak, the starter needs more "current" or amps to turn
over the same RPMS. If you are running stock battery cables, I deffinitly
reccomend upgrading to huge cables. I have 2 guage cables on mine. I also
recomend a larger ampere battery. If you have moved the battery to the trunk,
those two upgrades are a MUST!. I have 1000 amp battery and 2 guage cable with
my battery in the trunk. Works good. (note, cables get larger as the number 
goes
lower... 2 guage LOTS bigger than 6 guage...)

ANOTHER trick of the trade if you don't want to do the cable or battery, is to
get an early-mid 70's ford solenoid. Has two large posts for the battery cable
from the battery then to the starter and two posts for the switching wiring...
Take either a good size guage wire or make your own copper jumper from the
battery post on the starter to the solenoid post and then put the ford solenoid
inbetween. Somebody out there in olds land has REALLY good detailed 
instructions
of this whole procedure. Essentially, it takes that copper disk out of the
circuit (common for most starter problems because of MAJOR pitting during heat
soak) and the solenoid is engaged the moment the juice is applied and 9 times
out of 10 fixes a starter heat soak phenomena... I think i've rambled on long
enough...

Ben
62 olds F-85... gotta sell this puppy!!!
http://www.primenet.com/~olds442/forsale.html
68 Olds 442
1 set of C heads for sale! ($400)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:32:24 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

no no no, no there is little similarity between the two they share  bore and
stroke dimension that is it....KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gibran Curtiss Salomão <gibran@smtp.mj.gov.br>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:22 AM
Subject: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks


the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks



Gibran Curtiss Salomão
55-61-234-3965
gibran@mj.gov.br
icq:13807962
pontiac.homepage.nu
pontiac webring webmaster

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:36:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Don't be Mean, 
Lou
- ----------
> From: DonziKel@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:32 PM
> 
> Is a buick an Olds? I dont think so, so why would the engine be the
same...use
> some brains ;)
> Kelly

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:38:12 -0500
From: "Shpud" <shpud@hotmail.com>
Subject: Easy Questions

Hi,
I've got a few more questions. Number one, what exactly are all those holes in 
the tack strip for the back of my covertible for? I'm still a little lost on 
that one, 
since I've never owned a c/v and have never seen this one finished before. 
Second question should be really easy for some of you...did they only make 
the Delmont for one year (67), how many were made and can you interchange 
any parts with other 88's of the same year? Thanks!

Spruce
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:47:00 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

David, #1 Clearances are tighter on a hot engine, + many other factors, but
more likely, probably starter problems. #2 Could be either, sounds like
accelerator pump. Joe, 2 cents here.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
(clip)
> From: David Booker <dbooker@mindspring.com>
 
> 1) When the engine is hot, the starter has a much harder time turning the
> engine over. It always starts, but I was wondering if there was any known
> reason for an engine to become harder to turn over when hot. Seems like
it
> would be the other way 'round. Maybe I need more amps?
> 
> 2) Pretty sure this is in the carb, since everything else is new
> (points,plugs,coil,wires,etc.)  At speed, say a 50 mph cruise, a sudden
> full throttle results in a momentary bog then it screams all the way to
> redline. Too lean? Too rich? Any ideas.
> 
> David Booker
> Atlanta
> 
> '69 442 Conv (w/w/w 400 AT mint)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:46:27 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: TIES?!? OLDS?!?

got 2 ties there great...cost about $18 ea



jeff...

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:51:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

The design could very well be the same.  Look at the 2.8L and 3.1L V6s in
the Cutlass Supreme.  They are the same engines used in the Grand
Prix(Maybe Grand Am?) and I think the older Cavalier Z24.  The new
Intrigue engine sounds pretty much the same as the V6 that's being used
in the Malibu(sp?).  Buick, Oldsmobile, Ch*vrolet, Ponti*c, GMC, etc are
all under the roof of GM, so they probably use the same designs for each
engine manufactured.  

That's just my $.02, Correct me if I'm wrong on any account.

TTYL  

Derek Douglas
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Altered Reality Designs
   http://www.primeline.net/~derek/ardesigns/
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'88 Cutlass Supreme International Coupe

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:53:15 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Andy, 
No flame, if GM thought it needed a heat shield they would have probably
put one on, Funny, you notice it only happens on older cars. Not that GM
doesn't F up sometimes.
Lou

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> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 4:00 PM
> I think the usual fix discussed around here involves putting a heat
> shield on the starter, which is threatening to seize from the heat.
> Is your cooling system in good shape? Maybe it's running hotter than
> it used to.

> Non-functioning accelerator pump, perhaps?
> 
> -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:56:18 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Couple of Questions

Peter, 
Lawrenceville, where?
Lou
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> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Couple of Questions
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 5:29 PM
> 
> 1) Could be a little too much initial advance.  Could be the armature in
the
> starter swells when it gets hot.  Could be the starter heat soaks.  Could
be
> the pistons fit tighter in the bores when the engine is hot.
> 2) Prime suspect here is the accelerator pump in the carb.  Secondary
> suspect is the advance diaphragm in the distributor.  If you have it
plumbed
> to manifold vacuum, then timing will crash when you drill it.
> 3) Why don't you come to the Olds club meeting tomorrow in Lawrenceville?
> E-mail me back for directions.  Like the man said, "C'mon Down".  Peter.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:01:02 -0500
From: "laurencesimpson" <laurencesimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds

According to the book Glory Days by Jim Wangers, the Rallye 350 was supposed
to be the 1970 H/O.  Wangers was working for Hurst Performanced Research at
the time, and Hurst spent considerable time and effort to design a car
similar to the Rallye 350.  This was even down to the yellow color.  It
turned out Olds decided to do the car, but without Hurst

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
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From: Jon442@aol.com <Jon442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds


>In a message dated 11/13/98 3:53:31 PM Central Standard Time,
>slater442w30@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Does anyone know if a 1970 Hurst Olds was made...  >>
>
>There was originally supposed to be an H/O for 1970, but evidently Olds and
>Hurst couldn't come to an agreement. Olds wanted a junior supercar, and I
>assume that Hurst wanted to go with a 455. This is just speculation on my
>part. But the writing was on the wall for musclecars by 1970, and Olds
wanted
>something with a lot of flash but easier to insure and with a lower sticker
>price. So they went it alone and came out with the Rallye 350.

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:01:16 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

In the middle of the 80's, GM got cheap and starting making the same engine
for all of its cars. Before that, each company had a diffent engine. They are
both 455ci, but they share almost nothing in common (the Olds is a hellofalot
better ;). I can see how u got it confused.
Kelly Erickson
1966 Cutlass
1966 442
1954 Super 88
http://kellys-oldsmobile.iscool.net

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:14:41 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks

Kelly,
Everyone here are not geniuses, in fact probably NO one is, just thought
you were a bit rough on the person who asked. Information is like the
person who Piss*d in the dry riverbed, "Every little bit helps". take care.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
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> From: DonziKel@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: the olds 455 is the same engine of the 455 buick? thanks
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:01 PM
> 
> In the middle of the 80's, GM got cheap and starting making the same
engine
> for all of its cars. Before that, each company had a diffent engine. They
are
> both 455ci, but they share almost nothing in common (the Olds is a
hellofalot
> better ;). I can see how u got it confused.
> Kelly Erickson
> 1966 Cutlass
> 1966 442
> 1954 Super 88
> http://kellys-oldsmobile.iscool.net

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