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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, January 1 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1694



Oldsmobile ads
Re: SMW 403 hunt
Re: Show us the DAMN Car
RE: SMW 403 hunt
Re: SV: Disc brake conversion
Re: A different disc brake Q
Re: New Year
Re: Oldsmobile ads
Pictures of my $300 dollar paint job on my 65 Cutlass
Re: Aluminum hoods and accesory
69 parts for sale
Big body Olds fans please HELP
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
RE: 69 parts for sale
Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: Lifter Preload Adjustment
Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay
Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP
Happy New Year
Back on the list (was Re: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question)
Re: [Weatherstrip]
Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]
Re: Is it possible to convert durations from 0" to 0.050".
Re: more MC leak
Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay
Re: more MC leak
Re: more MC leak
Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: more MC leak
RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
Where are the Q4 guys?
Re: Happy New Year! :)
409 Cutlass
RE: 409 Cutlass
Re: 409 Cutlass
RE: 409 Cutlass
Re: 409 Cutlass
RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams/noisy
Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]
Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP
RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Olds in movies - not really!
Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: Weatherstrip
Of rhoads lifters and vacuum for power brakes   was Re: Comp Cams - Olds 
Muscle Car Cams
Re: Bumpers, cams, and toys
Re: Bumpers, cams, and toys
FS on eBay question
Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump
Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay
Re: Weatherstrip

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:09:05 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile ads

    Well, ehhhhmmmm, my 65 442 is (was) my fathers Oldsmobile. haha

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:20:20 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: SMW 403 hunt

Careful, as I believe Chris Witt and a few others have found windowed
webs on blocks with these casting numbers. These casting numbers are
rumored (by JM?) to have some solid web blocks from among their total
production. In other words, there's a possibility of solid webs. It's
also been rumored that all the solid web 403's have the 4A ID. Gotta
pull the pan to make sure.

The '77 Toro engine for sale at a BOP swap meet last spring had windowed
webs. Chris Ruper has a '77 350 with solid webs. From a truck.

- ----------
According to the FAQ there were 3 SMW 403's. Casting nos. 557265,
553990,
and 554900. Does anyone have evidence to disprove this?

Dorian, are both of your 403's cast with 557265?
 
Hopefully Thomas and the FAQ are correct about 1977 being the beast with
the
solid main webs.

- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:37:19 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Show us the DAMN Car

I think Olds advertising from a couple of years ago was pretty lame as
well, but I find it quite interesting that a number of people I know
would have never, never considered an Oldsmobile, yet right after the
X-files ads started appearing, they were really "intrigued" (Dave ducks
con rods, pistons, cranks) by the models Olds was making. Go figure.
These are Honda, I don't need maintenence, the hood is welded shut,
people. Yepper.

- ----------
Maybe I have watched too much TV over the years, but it seems to me that
GM,
specifically Oldsmobile, needs to step back and reevaluate their
advertising.
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:10:12 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: SMW 403 hunt

How hard would it be to patch-weld one up to simulate a solid main web? 
Or is the strength difference we're discussing comparative to 2 and 4 bolt
main chevy
(meaning windowed 403's are good to 6000rpm or 400hp and above that you need
a solid web.)?



Donny Arnold
w.d.arnold@lmco.com

72  Olds 442  
41 Chevy 
63 Chevy Truck

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:18:06 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: SV: Disc brake conversion

Onebil2mny@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/31/1998 1:31:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> blue442@webtv.net writes:
>
> << Just one more question, what's a B-body?  >>
>

B=big cars

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:23:24 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: A different disc brake Q

Chris,

My local performance parts place, tells me the 16" Torque Thrust "D" will be
available sometime after the first of the year.  He saw the prototype at
some convention in Vegas.  ARE's web site doesn't mention anything about
them either.

Supposed sizes are 16x7 and something in 17" also.  Somewhere in the
$250/rim range as well.

If I hear anything I'll let the list know.

Bill Reilly
mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
Web Page: (Not yet)

My Garage:
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
'85 Cutlass Supreme

>> One other item, will 15" rims clear the 12" rotor and caliper setup?  I
am
>> waiting for ARE to come out with 16" Torque thrusts, but will need
>You too.  I'm almost positive they are available.  I swear I saw them in a
>magazine in like the new products section or something.  Either that or
>another company has something very close to Torque Thrusts in 16"
available.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:27:12 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: New Year

Peter, 
Best to you and yours, have a great 99, I got the #s right this time, all
others-you too, a pleasure to wish ALL a "Feliz Ano Nuevo", I'm only half
Spanish, so if grammar is incorrect, it's the best I can do. Best to ALL!
Lou
Greg, No Olds content intended or implied.
- ----------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Year

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:42:57 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ads

Collyn
So was the 67 442, hated the ads, 67 would eat them alive, "DADDYS'
OLDSMOBILE" poo poo, MADISON  Ave. is infected with idiots. Having a degree
does not make one smart, girl at work has an Masters in "Leisure Studies",
thought that was building a fire and drinking beer. I spent 5 years at
accounting, horrible, wish I knew about "Leisure Studies", homework would
have been fun!!
Lou B 

- ----------
> From: GT5726@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmobile ads
> Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:09 PM
> 
>     Well, ehhhhmmmm, my 65 442 is (was) my fathers Oldsmobile. haha
> 
> Collyn Eastham
> 65 442
> 65 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:42:33 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Pictures of my $300 dollar paint job on my 65 Cutlass

http://members.aol.com/gt5726/auto/index.htm

     This the web page that I have set aside ...just for you "nay sayers".
This car is head turner and a daily driven classic. I drive this car to and
from work 5 days a week. 

    Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:07:32 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum hoods and accesory

><< I parted out an 84 Delta this past summer.  It had an aluminum hood.
Now I
> don't know what a stock metal hood weighs in at but the aluminum is just
> over 10lbs. >>


10 LBS.  God damn, I just installed a hood induction on mine and had it
painted.  It was NOT 10 LBS.  What a waste of weight.  Should have done more
research.  Damn, there goes 30 LBS. reduction of weight down the drain.
GRRRRR.........................

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:41:02 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: 69 parts for sale

for sale parts off of one 69 cutlass s  all original e-mail me for details 
sprotten25@aol.com

thanks  
Dino

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:22:50 PST
From: "Gavin MacFarlane" <mac808@hotmail.com>
Subject: Big body Olds fans please HELP

Hey, from the looks of this list's content my chances of a reply are 
Slim to none and I think Slim just left. I have '60 Super 88 (394cui). 
Apparently finding 14x6 rims with a 5 by 5.5" bolt pattern is harder 
than Chinese math. If anyone out there in Oldsmobile-land knows anything 
about my breed of Olds and the parts associated with this obscure car 
please let me know you exist. I'm starting to feel a bit alone. 

Thanks,
Gavin MacFarlane

mac808@hotmail.com

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Date: 31 Dec 98 17:18:52 MST
From: Bruce Suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
In a message dated 12/31/1998 8:50:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kerryk@CWIX.com writes:

<< sounds like the door just needed an adjustment...KK >>


The door was in perfect adjustment, with totally rebuilt hinges....  also,
while it was always stiffer then I thought it should be, "beating it shut" was
obviously an exageration.  also, as this was around 13 or 14 years ago, I am
guessing the newer products are nicer.

Bill (actually knows how to adjust a door for propper fit) K


>>The vent window frame is what needs proper adj.
for proper seal fit. First the door then the vent
frame.Nomater what BRAND of seal.  Howmany years
of slaming the door???????????/







RESTOMAN

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:27:22 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: 69 parts for sale

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Please send me a detailed list

Chris Urban

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From: 	Sprotten25@aol.com
Sent: 	Thursday, December 31, 1998 5:41 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	69 parts for sale

for sale parts off of one 69 cutlass s  all original e-mail me for details 
sprotten25@aol.com

thanks  
Dino




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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:27:28 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump

In a message dated 12/31/1998 2:29:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
w.d.arnold@lmco.com writes:

<< I am gonna do the disc swap without doubt..but, I really would like to have
 enough vacuum for the power booster.
 I've got a 72 442 with a 455 and a 244/244 deg cam.
 
 any ideas?  >>


use one of those vacuum motors from a Caddy.  They are electrical, and
therefore easy to install.

Bill K

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:37:54 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

In a message dated 12/31/1998 7:20:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
restoman@netscape.net writes:

<< The vent window frame is what needs proper adj.
 for proper seal fit. First the door then the vent
 frame.Nomater what BRAND of seal.  Howmany years
 of slaming the door???????????/
  >>


as I have said before, the door didn't need to be slammed, just was harder to
shut then a car with original weatherstripping.  as for the adjustment, my
Father built the car at the time.....   (master mechanic, Olds service guild,
many promotions, 2 other restorations, over 25 years (at the time) in the
automotive industry, etc. I know he did it right.  Also, as all the windows
fit properly, I can't imagine you could move that damned vent window housing
back as much as would be needed.   Yes, it loosened up some in time, yes it
was obnoxious when it was first done.   Also, the original was hollow, the
replacement stuff was solid.  Any other comments as to my lack of ability??

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:24:02 +1030
From: "Scott Clisby" <scott@tplex.com.au>
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

Guys,

Anyone got any comments regarding the comp cam message I posted the other
day. I was interested in hearing your thoughts/comments.

Ps. Anyone running a comp cam in a 455 out there ???

Cheers

Scott Clisby
1960 455 Coupe at home in Oz


- -----Original Message-----
From: Scott Clisby <scott@tplex.com.au>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, 29 December 1998 22:27
Subject: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams


>G'Day Guys & Girls,
>
>I just got a copy of Comp Cams catalogue. In it they list 'Factory Muscle'
>cams, for the 455 olds they list
>
>Factory ID Number 402194, OEM Application Year 1968, Factory HP - 370, Comp
>Cams Part #42-114-3, Lift In .474 Ex .474 Duration @ .050 In 233, Ex 233,
>Lobe Separation Angle 113.
>
>They also list their improved grind "Magnum Muscle" aka Magnum 280
>
>Factory ID Number 402194, OEM Application Year 1968, Factory HP - 370, Comp
>Cams Part #42-231-4, Lift In .490 Ex .490 Duration @ .050 In 230, Ex 230,
>Lobe Separation Angle 110. Adv In 280, Ex 280 (Operating RPM Range
>2000-6000, Good for street machine with mild converter. Use headers and
>lower gears. Rough idle).
>
>Does anyone on the list have any good/bad experiences with either of the
>above two cams or any of the other Comp Cam Magnum series. At this stage I
>am tempted to go for the Magnum over the factory grind.
>
>
>Ps. How do you interpret the fatory HP ratings ? eg. 1968 455 rated at 370,
>is this at the flywheel, rear wheels ???
>
>Any comments or experiences would be appreciated - I'm still trying to make
>up my mind on which cam/combo to go for !!!!!
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Scott Clisby
>1960 455 Coupe at home in Oz
>
>

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Date: 31 Dec 98 17:52:50 MST
From: Bruce Suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
In a message dated 12/31/1998 7:20:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
restoman@netscape.net writes:

<< The vent window frame is what needs proper adj.
 for proper seal fit. First the door then the vent
 frame.Nomater what BRAND of seal.  Howmany years
 of slaming the door???????????/
  >>


as I have said before, the door didn't need to be slammed, just was harder to
shut then a car with original weatherstripping.  as for the adjustment, my
Father built the car at the time.....   (master mechanic, Olds service guild,
many promotions, 2 other restorations, over 25 years (at the time) in the
automotive industry, etc. I know he did it right.  Also, as all the windows
fit properly, I can't imagine you could move that damned vent window housing
back as much as would be needed.   Yes, it loosened up some in time, yes it
was obnoxious when it was first done.   Also, the original was hollow, the
replacement stuff was solid.  Any other comments as to my lack of ability??

>>>>>>
Yeah, but I'll keep them to myself as you don't
take advise very well at all.

RESTOMAN

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:10:16 -0500
From: "Bill B." <Pianotuner@fastservice.com>
Subject: Re: Lifter Preload Adjustment

>My Crane roller rockers are making noise too.  I might not even bother
>relashing them if all rollers do it.
>
>-greg

There was a mention of cutting a slot in an old valve cover to adjust
while the engine is running.  This brought back memories of how I used
to adjust my wife's big block chevy.  The beauty of stock Olds engines
is the lack of this adjustment requirement. 1.  Buy clip-on deflectors
that fit on the rocker arms.  Got mine from J.C. Whitney years ago.
2.  Fit a piece of cardboard to serve as an oil dam on the  bottom lip
of the head. 3. Attach a vacum guage. 4. Start the engine. 5.  Back off
the nut until it clatters, and then tighten until clatter stops. 6.
Tighten another 1-1/2 turns past the point of the clatter stopping. 7. 
If the vacum gauge starts to flutter and does not return to a steady
reading you need to back off that last 1-1/2 turns until the needle is
steady.  8.  Clean up the oil off the garage floor that got past the
cardboard dam and did not burn on the manifold.  Good luck!!

Bill Bussell
Speedway, Indina

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:34:25 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP

Gavin, 
I think Buick rims were the same size, on the big cars (Buicks) the rim
width was the same, as I can remember the bolt pattern was the same also,
don't quote me, but pretty sure, worth a try.
Lou Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
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> From: Gavin MacFarlane <mac808@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Big body Olds fans please HELP

> Hey, from the looks of this list's content my chances of a reply are 
> Slim to none and I think Slim just left. I have '60 Super 88 (394cui). 
> Apparently finding 14x6 rims with a 5 by 5.5" bolt pattern is harder 
> than Chinese math. If anyone out there in Oldsmobile-land knows anything 
> about my breed of Olds and the parts associated with this obscure car 
> please let me know you exist. I'm starting to feel a bit alone. 

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:49:15 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

Bruce,
was a service mgr. for a Dodge dealer, guy bought a new car, (4dr), the
doors on the left side did not fit the openings, car was made about 1 and
1/4" longer on the left side then on the right, had the factory man look at
it, "he said fix it??), I was racing for Chrysler back then and I knew
their cost on a new vehicle was 750.00 to produce, everything included.
They would not give the poor guy a new car, we spent,(they spent) over
1600.00 trying to fix, there is no fix!  Poor so & so had to live with it,
he didn't buy any more Dodges. This was 1970, thats the reason the rice
burners took over, no quality control at all.many horror stories I could
tell you about back then. Good luck.
Lou
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> From: Bruce Suess <restoman@netscape.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

> The door was in perfect adjustment, with totally rebuilt hinges.... 
also,
> while it was always stiffer then I thought it should be, "beating it
shut" was
> obviously an exageration.  also, as this was around 13 or 14 years ago, I
am
> guessing the newer products are nicer.
> 
> Bill (actually knows how to adjust a door for propper fit) K
> 
> 
> >>The vent window frame is what needs proper adj.
> for proper seal fit. First the door then the vent
> frame.Nomater what BRAND of seal.  Howmany years
> of slaming the door???????????/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> RESTOMAN
> 
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:59:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

<snappy repartee snipped>

And Happy New Year to you guys too... ;-)

There are enough negative comments about SoffSeal roofrails that I believe
they have a design problem. I have seen the stuff firsthand and it is very
firm. To question someone's ability on this seems somewhat...
questionable.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:04:51 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE RE

Yeah, Happy New year to y'all.  I hope no one gets his Olds hit by some
maniac tonight.  Be careful, and drive aggressively defensive tonight.  "See
ya next year"<---stupid expression, really sick of hearing it, said here
sarcastically.....

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:02:29 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

Put a comp cam in a 67 425   it was a 292 cam, Thrashed like crazy, made tons
of power but for a hydralic camit was very noisy in the valve train.Also used
a comparible cam from mondello and it did the same thing, very noisy, ran good
but noisy. So now I am using a factory 328 in the 67 425, 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:07:41 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

As Greg said, and I agree, If the door fit once, should fit again. I
digressed, thinking too much I guess. 
Lou

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]
> And Happy New Year to you guys too... ;-)
> There are enough negative comments about SoffSeal roofrails that I
believe
> they have a design problem. I have seen the stuff firsthand and it is
very
> firm. To question someone's ability on this seems somewhat...
> questionable.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:07:38 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

Forgot to say the 328 is perfectly quiet and runs just as good...108 in the
1/4 mile in 12.62 sec. in a 65 cutlass.   Harry Mager , NJ. 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:01 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

Ray, 
Anyone who drives his or hers Olds tonight needs a nice Vega to drive on
weird nights like New Years. Hint, Hint!!
Lou
- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Yeah, Happy New year to y'all.  I hope no one gets his Olds hit by some
> maniac tonight.  Be careful, and drive aggressively defensive tonight. 
"See
> ya next year"<---stupid expression, really sick of hearing it, said here
> sarcastically.....

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:08:24 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay

Dave Cullen wrote:
> 
> >
> >Here's one for you bargain hunters out there... an '85 Delta 88 2-door (an
> >actual car, not a model) for sale on eBay. Right now you can have it for
> >$21.00. For that price I don't think you get a warranty. :)
> 
> <sniff> Oh! The indignity of it!
> 
> drc
> 85 Delta 88 Royale


Uh, Dave, you haven't been out of town for a while and the wife is
getting a divorce and selling your "stuff" have you?   Better check the
garage when you get home.  :)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:38:00 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP

Gavin MacFarlane wrote:
> 
> Hey, from the looks of this list's content my chances of a reply are
> Slim to none and I think Slim just left. I have '60 Super 88 (394cui).
> Apparently finding 14x6 rims with a 5 by 5.5" bolt pattern is harder
> than Chinese math. If anyone out there in Oldsmobile-land knows anything
> about my breed of Olds and the parts associated with this obscure car
> please let me know you exist. I'm starting to feel a bit alone.

If don't wee why you should feel all alone, they made 97,913 Super 88
cars in 1960, so there are a lot more obscure models out there.  I can
tell you the base price varied from $3,176 to $3,773 and the base weight
varied from 4,086 to 4,506 pounds.  The 394 ci engine was the standard
motor with 315 hp.  No optional engines were listed.  I can't help you
find the wheels (although it would not surprise me if someone else on
the list can), but I can tell you that you definitely aren't alone in
the cold cruel world......

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:30:19 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Happy New Year

I would just like to wish everybody on the list a happy and safe New Year,
and I hope that the new year is even better than last year.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:47:50 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Back on the list (was Re: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia question)

>Is that you Doc? Are you back?

That's me; back on digest mode, at least until next semester gets cooking,
and hopefully even after that.

Heard that the G-body folks got their own "space", just like the Toro and
Quad-4 guys. I joined a full-size Jeep list to keep my parts-chaser/wife's
truck Grand Wagoneer on the road; also had to rebuild the 360/2-bbl
slug-of-a-motor, which makes me appreciate my Oldses all that much more :)

Bought a clean quarter off Everett for my SX, which I'd like to get welded
on next spring/summer. Also going to get the HEI on that puppy, which is
showing some misfire above 3500rpm.

Oh, and I got the Toro repainted, including bodywork, for $250!

<just kidding; thought I'd add my two-cents to the latest pointless
thread... ;) >
*******************************************
Bob Barry
'70 Cutlass Supreme SX
'69 Toronado
'78 Buick Electra (with a 409ci Olds small-block)
and a 1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer, if you really must know...

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:23:01 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Weatherstrip]

Bill K,
The Metro seals are excellent repos and offer a 15 year quarantee. Don't be
worried they are of fine quality.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:30:25 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]

Restoman, Hope you took advantage of their 15 yr quarantee?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:38:26 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Is it possible to convert durations from 0" to 0.050".

>OK, I want a fast daily driver that would only go to the track to
>find out what it's E.T. is.  It's a 455 with the TRW L2323 pistons,
>stock 70 intake, stock E heads, a Quadrajet and HEI.  It will run a
>TH400 tranny with a corporate 12-bolt (stock on Canadian 69 442's:)
>3.31 posi.  I want to keep the SS-II's so I will put on the biggest
>tires they will take.  I've been running the same rear end and
>transmission with my 400 so I know that it runs fine on the highway
>and should be tall enough for the city.  

If those are your goals, then the 214/224 with 0.473/0.496 lift cam would
serve you well, by allowing you to stick with the factory-style rocker arms
that are quiet and reliable (and cheap). In fact, a cam with more duration
and lift will only bump your powerband up a bit in the rpm range, which is
not going to be your normal operating range (if you had a 3000rpm stall/4.11
rear gear combo, then it'd be worth it).

>About the only thing that I might be changing is the heads and the
>exhaust.  If the E's need too much work then I may just use a set of
>C's.  The machine shop should get back with the estimate sometime
>next week on the heads.  

Either would work well for what you're using.

>The headers have been trashed (caught on
>cement going into a shop) so I _may_ replace them with the stock 442
>manifolds that C+M sell (pause while everyone cringes at the thought
>of replacing headers with stock manifolds).

I went from headers back to stock exhaust manifolds, for simplicity's sake
and because the compromises I would have to make were too much for the
low-rpm operation my engine sees.

>The shop thinks that the 214/224 cam does not have as much duration
>as I should run for this combination.  I, however, am more
>conservative.  Do you think this is a bad combination?  I should
>take the time to calculate at what speed it will "top out" at. 
>Edelbrock uses this (214/224 with 0.473/0.496) cam with a Performer
>and says it's good between 0 and 5500.

You may be giving up some rpms and upper-end power with the above cam, but
you probably would never miss them in the kind of driving you describe.

- -Bob Barry

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:03:27 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: more MC leak

Thanks to Fred, Bob and everyone else who gave me excellent advice. Today I
bench-bled the MC by capping off the ports and using a broomstick to press the
air out. I replaced the new MC and lines without a hitch. I bled the front
discs and the pedal is nice and high. I haven't bled the rear and am wondering
if it is necessary. Any advice on that?
Thanks, and a happy new year to all. 
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:13:40 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay

Don, 
Funny!! Not for Dave though. 
Lou

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay

> Dave Cullen wrote:
> > >Here's one for you bargain hunters out there... an '85 Delta 88 2-door
(an
> > >actual car, not a model) for sale on eBay. Right now you can have it
for
> > >$21.00. For that price I don't think you get a warranty. :)
<sniff> Oh! The indignity of it!
> Uh, Dave, you haven't been out of town for a while and the wife is
> getting a divorce and selling your "stuff" have you?   Better check the
> garage when you get home.  :)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:16:42 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: more MC leak

You should, $1 worth of fluid, worth it and the time expended.
Lou

- ----------
> From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: more MC leak
> Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 12:03 AM
> 
> Thanks to Fred, Bob and everyone else who gave me excellent advice. Today
I
> bench-bled the MC by capping off the ports and using a broomstick to
press the
> air out. I replaced the new MC and lines without a hitch. I bled the
front
> discs and the pedal is nice and high. I haven't bled the rear and am
wondering> if it is necessary. Any advice on that?
> Thanks, and a happy new year to all. 
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:19:57 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: more MC leak

Bruce,

i would say yes you should also bleed the rears also. just to be on the safe
side. dont know if its necessary, but I always do if  I remove the MC from the
car. 

richard 
cutlass442@aol.com
I967Rocket@aol.com
1967 "oldsmobuick" Cutlass
thats a cross between a 1973 Buick 455 and a 1967 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: 31 Dec 98 23:39:51 MST
From: <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Restoman, Hope you took advantage of their 15 yr quarantee?



>Yeah,It took 2 months then they sent wrong seals.

RESTOMAN

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:25:38 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

>as I have said before, the door didn't need to be slammed, just was harder
to
>shut then a car with original weatherstripping

Not intending to perpetuate this thread any further but
when it is said that it is harder to shut than original is it
meant as it came from the factory or after 20 to 30 yrs
of deterioration?  I ask as an interested 3rd party since
my 68 needs new weatherstrip.  The way it sounds to
me is the factory weatherstrip might have been hard
"as installed" but loosened up and conformed to the
windows by the time it got to the dealer.  I know my
original weatherstrip has a permanent indention from
the window in it which I'm sure isn't the way it was new.

Just wondering,
Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:16:06 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: more MC leak

Definately bleed the rears if you broke the line.  Proper way to
bleed the system is to go from the wheel farthest away to the
one closest to the MC, as in RR, LR, RF, LF.  Sometimes it is
also advisable to bleed again after you drive the car a while,
especially if the pedal starts to get "spongy".  This is due to
air working it's way through the system.  It's most common when
you open a line close to the MC.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Thanks to Fred, Bob and everyone else who gave me excellent advice. Today I
>bench-bled the MC by capping off the ports and using a broomstick to press
the
>air out. I replaced the new MC and lines without a hitch. I bled the front
>discs and the pedal is nice and high. I haven't bled the rear and am
wondering
>if it is necessary. Any advice on that?
>Thanks, and a happy new year to all.
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:35:51 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]]

How about a Blue Javelin?

<words> -----Original Message-----
<words> Anyone who drives his or hers Olds tonight needs a nice 
<words> Vega to drive on
<words> weird nights like New Years. Hint, Hint!!
<words> Lou

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:38:58 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Where are the Q4 guys?

Are there still Q4 guys here?  Or do they all have their own list too?
I drive past this Q4 every day on the way to work and I think someone should
buy it.  The guy who owns it knows what he has, which may mean it was
treated with the respect and care it deserves.  But it's been there for a
while meaning it may be cheap.  More info?  Ask Ray.  Happy New Year!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:52:13 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year! :)

Hi Y'all! 

I want to wish you all a very safe and happy New year! Thank you for all 
of your responses to my posts and questions, be serious or silly. :) You 
all have been extremely helpful and supportive. 

Please be careful out there, take it easy and I hope to meet lots of you 
in June for the '99 Nationals!! :) 

Happy Holidays,
Kim & Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme)
Dallas, Texas
Member OCA & NTOC
================================================================
Hi y'all,

May you have a Safe and Happy New Year!

Chris Rivier
'66 Delta 88 Celebrity Sedan...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:46:06 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: 409 Cutlass

Ray, 
  I'm nosey & i've got to ask.
  Is it what it says ?    87 409 Cutlass ? 
Roger

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:57:42 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: 409 Cutlass

Yep.
79 403+.030, etc. etc. etc.
not a Chevy 409!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

<words> -----Original Message-----
<words> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 
<words> GraphixRUs@aol.com
<words> Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 03:46 Costanzo
<words> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> Subject: 409 Cutlass
<words> 
<words> 
<words> Ray, 
<words>   I'm nosey & i've got to ask.
<words>   Is it what it says ?    87 409 Cutlass ? 
<words> Roger
<words> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:03:36 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: 409 Cutlass

Ray, You ain't going to believe this.
Yep - I deleted your  response before I even reead it.
I'll tell you what . I  hope you guys don''t get too p***ed at me.
I do some pretty stupid stuff sometimes. 
Roger

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:08:55 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: 409 Cutlass

Sounds like something I'd do.
Yes, it is a 409.  It's a 79 403 +.030.  72 350 heads.  Crane Cam, etc. etc.
Torquey!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

<words> -----Original Message-----
<words> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
<words> GraphixRUs@aol.com
<words> Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 04:04 Costanzo
<words> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<words> Subject: Re: 409 Cutlass
<words>
<words>
<words> Ray, You ain't going to believe this.
<words> Yep - I deleted your  response before I even reead it.
<words> I'll tell you what . I  hope you guys don''t get too p***ed at me.
<words> I do some pretty stupid stuff sometimes.
<words> Roger
<words>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:15:45 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: 409 Cutlass

Neat.  I've never driven one of th 403's but hear they are strong.
The guy that has the ( I think '79  " 98 "  Nat'l Record Holder )  lives hear
here &  used to run at Piedmont Dragway  in Greensboro nc. It wasunreal how
that ran.
Thanks .
Catch you later
Roger

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 08:09:48 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

I've got the magnum 292 in a 68 455.  I couldn't believe how hard it hits at
idle ( 800rpm ). the 'lope' is noticeable up to about ~1800 rpm. I do have a
high compression engine too (10.9:1).  
I've tried one of the Engle(Mondello JM 20/22 H ) cams and it just wasn't
enough for me. 
The problem with the 292 comp cam is very low intake vacuum. If you have
power brakes, it would be impossible to run a power booster off of intake
vacuum.  You would be forced to add some type of external vacuum pump. I
guess the reason for that is the high overlap of the valves and that reduces
the amount of cylinder pressure too. 

When I put the car together a few years back, I took it to the track and it
ran a 13.24@100.  I have since learned that I had alot of  things setup
wrong initially and I am attempting to correct things now. When I'm done,
it'll run in the low 12's easy(and it wouldn't surprise me to be flirting
with the 11.99 barrier)  and that's in a 3800# 72 4-4-2. I will be running
the 1/8 mile so, all the new times I get will have to be compared to my
8.500 (660 ft time).

Is anyone else running 1/8 mile?


	Scott Clisby Wrote:
> Ps. Anyone running a comp cam in a 455 out there ???
> 
	>Does anyone on the list have any good/bad experiences with either
of the
> >above two cams or any of the other Comp Cam Magnum series. At this stage
> I
> >am tempted to go for the Magnum over the factory grind.
> >
> >
> >Ps. How do you interpret the fatory HP ratings ? eg. 1968 455 rated at
> 370,
> >is this at the flywheel, rear wheels ???
> 
> 
Up to 1971, the HP ratings were at the flywheel (called Gross HP) and some
of those were not completely true. I *think* that was because of insurance,
protection of some of the Chevrolet models like the Corvette and SS cars.(My
opinion only)
GM's Main line was Chevrolet and they were not about to let one of the
off-brands(B,O,P) take the glory.     

After 1971, the HP ratings were at the back wheel(s)(called NET HP).


Donny Arnold
w.d.arnold@lmco.com

72  Olds 442  
41 Chevy 
63 Chevy Truck

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:37:17 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

Noisy? Didn't you have an adjustable valve train? If you did, it should not
have been noisy. The base circle on most HiPo cams REQUIRE a change to
adjustable rockers.

- -----Original Message-----

>Put a comp cam in a 67 425   it was a 292 cam, Thrashed like crazy, made
tons
>of power but for a hydralic camit was very noisy in the valve train.Also
used
>a comparible cam from mondello and it did the same thing, very noisy, ran
good
>but noisy. So now I am using a factory 328 in the 67 425,
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:02:10 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams/noisy

yep I had the asdjustable valve train and everything.Not sure why , but the
328 70 W30 cam works great with the 425 in a 65 cutlass and it is quite. So I
will just stick to my 12.60s at 108.   i know the car would go much faster if
she had a high stall converter. The converter is stock with a built turbo 400
out of a 69 442, the rear is a 8.5 out of a 71 442 with richmond 4.10s. The
car has a ram air setup that takes air through the highbeam headlight area.
Have a Happy New Year!!! Harry and Tara Mager          73 Cutlass "S"
455/4spd. 8,900 orig. miles
                   67 W-30 442
                   66 Starfire w/425/4spd.
                   65 442
                   65 Cutlass (425)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:47:22 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]

In my experience, the GM weatherstrip is much softer and better fitting than
any of the aftermarket replacement stuff.  I have installed NOS GM
weatherstrips and never had a problem.  With the exception of Steele, I have
had problems with ALL of the aftermarket brands.
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Weatherstrip]]]]


>
>>as I have said before, the door didn't need to be slammed, just was harder
>to
>>shut then a car with original weatherstripping
>
>Not intending to perpetuate this thread any further but
>when it is said that it is harder to shut than original is it
>meant as it came from the factory or after 20 to 30 yrs
>of deterioration?  I ask as an interested 3rd party since
>my 68 needs new weatherstrip.  The way it sounds to
>me is the factory weatherstrip might have been hard
>"as installed" but loosened up and conformed to the
>windows by the time it got to the dealer.  I know my
>original weatherstrip has a permanent indention from
>the window in it which I'm sure isn't the way it was new.
>
>Just wondering,
>Mike B
>mbloomer@gateway.net
>ICQ# 19113713
>72 Cutlass S (RIP)
>68 Cutlass Supreme
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:54:51 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Big body Olds fans please HELP

Are you sure the bolt pattern is 5 by 5.5" and not 5 by 5"?  The later is
the standard GM big pattern bolt circle.  If this is what you have, large
pattern 14" wheels were standard on most Olds full size cars through 1968.
I even have a set of 14x6 5 on 5" wheels off of a '66 88.  If you want to go
to 15" many '69-'96 full size RWD GM cars came with 15x6 or 15x7 large
pattern wheels.
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gavin MacFarlane <mac808@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 6:24 PM
Subject: Big body Olds fans please HELP


>Hey, from the looks of this list's content my chances of a reply are
>Slim to none and I think Slim just left. I have '60 Super 88 (394cui).
>Apparently finding 14x6 rims with a 5 by 5.5" bolt pattern is harder
>than Chinese math. If anyone out there in Oldsmobile-land knows anything
>about my breed of Olds and the parts associated with this obscure car
>please let me know you exist. I'm starting to feel a bit alone.
>
>Thanks,
>Gavin MacFarlane
>
>mac808@hotmail.com
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:55:35 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

Mine is not noisy at all.... And I got the stock type pivots and bridges.
Non-adjustable TRW parts. The heads are basically stock too.  That cam is
not a 'radical' cam for the big block olds. The BB max lift (purely from
memory) with rotators on the stems is about 0.540" and without rotators is
about 0.560". The COMPCAMS 292 magnum cam only has 0.518" lift, well below
the 0.540" max.  

The reason I chose it was because of the high duration( I wanted to hear
that mother), hydraulic (no good experience with solid lifters), and it was
close to the max lift with stock components( I used the 0.020" less rule
here as Dave B. mentioned).

I would do it again but, would really like to explore the solid and roller
cam choices a little better.

Donny Arnold
w.d.arnold@lmco.com

72  Olds 442  
41 Chevy 
63 Chevy Truck




> -----Original Message-----
> Noisy? Didn't you have an adjustable valve train? If you did, it should
> not
> have been noisy. The base circle on most HiPo cams REQUIRE a change to
> adjustable rockers.
> 
> 
> 
> >Put a comp cam in a 67 425   it was a 292 cam, Thrashed like crazy, made
> tons
> >of power but for a hydralic camit was very noisy in the valve train.Also
> used
> >a comparible cam from mondello and it did the same thing, very noisy, ran
> good
> >but noisy. So now I am using a factory 328 in the 67 425,
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 08:04:10 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Olds in movies - not really!

Did anyone else notice the vehicle in "Mr. Nice Guy" that was marked
442 on the front and sides (didn't see the rear)?

It definitely wasn't an A-body or even an Olds but it _may_ have
been made by GM.  It looked like it weighed more than Igor's Delta:)
and I'd judge that it had more than a 455 under the hood:)) 

Maybe it was an inside joke referring to "Demolition Man."  After
all it may have been a '70, it was marked "442", and he demolished
things with it.  Nah, that would be too deep for an action movie.

PS: Please don't rent the movie expecting to see an Olds.  It wasn't
even a car.
- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:14:30 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

I was using a special  mondello lifter with the comp cam and the modello cam.
I dont remember what type..mondello suggested it with those cams .The factory
328 cam I have in the 425 has gm lifters so maybe the problem was the lifters.
Thanks for all the info Donny...

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:24:56 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

You may be onto something here... I used the GM std lifters with my mondello
cam with no noise. A friend was using Rhoads lifters in his 455 TA with a
similar cam. His was very, very noisy. We wasted many hours and much beer
trying to 'adjust' the valves.  We ground and shimmed bridges time and time
again.  The more we asked around the more we started hearing horror stories
about those Rhoads lifters. So, we traded in one night of valve adjustment
for a night of installing new lifters.  No more problems. I could have
quickly placed my right boot against his left cheek that night but, he
didn't really know it was gonna cause us that much trouble. 

Since this episode 8-10 yrs ago, I have been told by the masses to be aware
of the Rhoads lifters. I'm sure it's not the brand name but, the type of
lifter they are.  Maybe other companies also produce this type and that
could be the source of alot of noise after a cam/lifter change.  Could it be
antipump lifters? Just stabbing in the dark...

I now have the COMPCAMS lifters (I don't know if they are 'antipump' or not)
in with my 292 magnum. I have adjusted (really just checked) the lifter
preload twice in the 17,000 miles after the initial setup.  They are working
great for me.


> ----------
> From: 	RARE73OLDS@aol.com[SMTP:RARE73OLDS@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Friday, January 01, 1999 10:14 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
> 
> I was using a special  mondello lifter with the comp cam and the modello
> cam.
> I dont remember what type..mondello suggested it with those cams .The
> factory
> 328 cam I have in the 425 has gm lifters so maybe the problem was the
> lifters.
> Thanks for all the info Donny...
> 

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:40:19 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Weatherstrip

Gonna add my own recent experience to this thread.

Needed front door weatherstripping for my 85 Delta. GM still carries them,
to the tune of $90 ~each~. I said "Nah".

Metro had been recommended here on the list, so I inquired. No gots - 1985
is too new for them.

SoffSeal had 'em, $85 per pair. Shipped and received in 3 days. The fit was
excellent, all the little plastic pins lined up perfectly with the holes in
the doors. But the doors needed to be slammed for the first week or so,
until the rubber conformed to final shape. No problem after that.

The rubber is definitely harder and less pliable than the original was. But
the factory stuff ripped, and I don't think that will happen with the harder
material. A reasonable compromise IMO.

drc

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:40:06 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Of rhoads lifters and vacuum for power brakes   was Re: Comp Cams - 
Olds Muscle Car Cams

it has been common knowledge for a long time that rhoads lifters are noisy
as they are a bleeder type lifter crane also makes this type as does comp
cams they are marketed under other names such as variable duration lifters
and anti-pump the main reason most after market cams are noisy in the olds
engines is due to the non adjustable nature of the rockers I for one usually
try to adjust one cylinder with an adjustable pushrod set then order the
pushrods to size not a major dilemma any way the vacuum for powerbrakes can
still be had from the engine working in just the opposite way as heavy truck
brakes you use a vacuum accumulator instead of an air accumulator this is
easy to make or buy crane or cam dynamics makes a reservoir but all you need
is a tank small enough to be mounted in the engine compartment a pair of
hoses and a checkvalve

the plumbing is as such   ENGINE-----CHECKVALVE>------TANK----------booster
the direction of the check being so the engine pulls and the tank holds ie
cant suck air  later all.....KK

>

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:44:21 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Bumpers, cams, and toys

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:18 PM
Subject: Bumpers, cams, and toys

Hi Paul, Welcome back. Noticed you live in Palm Bay and I'm just up the road
in Melbourne. Moved 3 weeks ago from IN. Can't help you with parts other
than suggesting an add on www.442.com, or check the "Parts for Sale" area.
You can find most anything there. (sorry about no paragraphs, my enter key
just stopped working). Boxed lowers will help prevent twisting and
distorting which can happen if you stand on it a lot. The easiest solution
is to get a 1/4' plate welded on the open side (thus "boxing" them. Can you
recommend anyone in the area that has good olds engine building experience?
I'm planning on getting the bottom end done on my 69 Cutlass. I was quoted
$2000 - $2700 by Jays Auto Service in Cocoa (for a straight rebuild). That
seems a bit steep to me.
Happy New Year! Hope 99 is a good one for you.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:49:05 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Bumpers, cams, and toys

Sorry Dave, I got your name wrong in that last message. What can I say, It's
New Year's day.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:55:18 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: FS on eBay question

What catagory is most of the automotive stuff at on "ebay"? Happy New Year to
all fellow Oldsmobiliers. Thanks for all the answers to my questions, and to
the answers to all my future questions too !!  Feel free to add me to your AOL
Instant Messanger buddy lists.

Bernie

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:24:27 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@intrlink.com>
Subject: Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump

Arnold, W D wrote:
> 
> okay gang,
> I think I can do the conversion now.
> but what about using a power booster with a BIG cam? I have 6 in hg vac at
> idle and that ain't enough for power brakes. Is there a electric or belt
> driven vacuum pump that would be very cheap and not a HP robber?

There are a few cars that have electric vacuum pumps, I just don't
remember exactly which ones they are.  I'm pretty sure the pontiac
fieros had electric vacuum pumps, I think the toyota mr2 did as well. 
Some of the foreign diesels had 'em too.  Check the diesel volkswagon
rabbits and toyota trucks, and any of the other non-GM diesels. 

Just a thought:  You could probably hide the pump and a vacuum resivoir
under the fender of your 442.  There's a huge empty space there where
the fender curves over to meet the hood then goes down to mount the hood
hinge and inner fender.  I think there'd be plenty of room to hide the
pump and a vacuum resivoir tucked up in there.  The resivoir could be
made out of a 2 or 3 inch diameter PVC pipe capped on each end....It'd
look like a pipe bomb though. :)  You could probably make it 2 or 3 feet
long if you wanted.  

Someone on the list once suggested that if you happen to be running an
electric fuel pump, you could use the old mechanical fuel pump as a
vacuum pump....cheap and easy.

Good luck and happy hunting. 

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:35:44 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay

now itsd up to $50
Erik
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay


>Don,
>Funny!! Not for Dave though.
>Lou
>
>----------
>> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: $21.00 Delta 88 FS on eBay
>
>> Dave Cullen wrote:
>> > >Here's one for you bargain hunters out there... an '85 Delta 88 2-door
>(an
>> > >actual car, not a model) for sale on eBay. Right now you can have it
>for
>> > >$21.00. For that price I don't think you get a warranty. :)
><sniff> Oh! The indignity of it!
>> Uh, Dave, you haven't been out of town for a while and the wife is
>> getting a divorce and selling your "stuff" have you?   Better check the
>> garage when you get home.  :)
>

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:38:31 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Weatherstrip

Dave,

I have a set of the Soff Seal door strips on my '78 Delta.   Your comments
are right on the money.  The '77 and up big cars all have framed door glass.
Older hardtops and convertibles without metal frames around the windows are
much less forgiving of the harder seals.

regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cullen>Needed front door weatherstripping for my 85 Delta. GM
still carries them,
>to the tune of $90 ~each~. I said "Nah".
>SoffSeal had 'em, $85 per pair. Shipped and received in 3 days. The fit was
>excellent, all the little plastic pins lined up perfectly with the holes in
>the doors. But the doors needed to be slammed for the first week or so,
>until the rubber conformed to final shape. No problem after that.
>

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