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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, November 24 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1623



Re: Winshield and other chrome trim.
Re: Winshield and other chrome trim.
Re: What do you think?
Many of infinite wisdom.
RE: Many of infinite wisdom.
Olds model kit news.
Omega info
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Chev in olds
Olds model kit question
Re: Olds model kit question
Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Metco Bars Holiday Special
Re: car covers
455 Intake
Re: what one to buy???
1985 442 FOR SALE
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Bye, Hate, "C", and the Stand. Cat. of Olds
Still more on 394. (How to ID one)
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Omega info
trim rechroming ?
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: trim rechroming ?
Re: Olds EFI
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Chev in olds
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Olds model kit question
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: Olds model kit news.
Re: MATT 88 Cutlass Supreme Int
Port Fuel Injection
Re: Omega info
Engine compartment size
Re: Omega info
Re: Omega info
Re: What do you think?
Re: daytime running lights
Re: daytime running lights
Re: What do you think?
Re: trim rechroming ?
DRL's
Re: What do you think?
Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?
Re: What do you think?
Re: What do you think?
Re: trim rechroming ?
Re: trim rechroming ?
FAQ
model kits
Re: FAQ
Re: daytime running lights
console extension harness
Re: Many of infinite wisdom.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:11:54 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Winshield and other chrome trim.

Rock Man wrote:
> 
> Well list, I am a man of many questions today! I have another
> question. Last night I was out in the garage spending some "quality"
> time with my baby and I got pretty much the whole front end torn
> apart. Anyways, I was wondering if anyone knows how the heck the
> chrome trim around the windshield comes off? I figured that I would
> save myself some money by taking the old one out myself. (It has a
> crack in it due to the accident) Any ideas how to get that trim off
> without snapping the plastic clips in there? Also, how does the trim
> come off that is right above the side windows....the drip edging. (Not
> sure if that is what it is called) Any help? So far today, the porting
> question has been solved. Thanks for all the usefull info! I am
> soaking it all in!
> 
> Del
> 


The windshield and rear window trim come off with a $5 tool you can get
at the local autoparts store. It is shaped like a really wide Y, with
little hooks on the end of it. You slip it under the trim and twist up
or down parallel to the glass.

As for the other trim, I think you are talking about the drip moulding,
and I can't answer that one, I have never known how to remove it. Just
incase you are talking about the weatherstrip moulding, it unscrews
after you remove the weather stripping.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:30:04 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Winshield and other chrome trim.

s for the other trim, I think you are talking about the drip moulding,
and I can't answer that one, I have never known how to remove it.
_________

Ah, here's the trick.  Get an old fashioned bottle opener.  Wrap the end in
tape, and have at it.  Start with the small angled piece at the top of the
A-pillar, then pop off the vertical piece and the long section by slowly
working your way along.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:32:56 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: What do you think?

IMHO, it will look... oh, what's the technical term I'm trying
to think of here... "goofy".
_______

I disagree.  In a custom application, this can look pretty cool.  I'm also
a fan of body-color firewalls.  One thing to watch out for on the dash,
however, is that the stock paint is anti-glare.  Using a gloss body color
paint could result in dangerous reflections.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:06:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Many of infinite wisdom.

I am very impressed with the way this list has answered just about
every question I have thrown out! It's hard to stump some of you, and
even if I do, you normally point me in some direction on where to find
my answer! Now, I have two more questions for the day. A) What type of
paint and preparation should be used for in the engine compartment? I
want to paint the firewall and anything else in the compartment that
needs paint. Will I need a paint that will resist heat, or will any
paint do? How would I prep something like that? Do I have to sand it
and primer? B)This one is a stumper I am sure. I have a TH 350 in my
Olds. It was completely gone through about 13,000 miles ago. It had
new everything put in it. But, now after you have driven it for a
while, the transmission gets this whistle in it. It isn't too
noticable in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, but in nuetral it really whistles.
Reverse, the whistle quiets a bit, but it still is noticable. Also,
since the whistle showed up, it almost seems like it slips a bit in
first gear every once in a while. Any ideas on that one? I am sure
that I am going to end up taking it back to the tranny doctor, but the
warranty went off it 1,000 miles ago. Thanks again!

Del




==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:20:13 -0500
From: Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca
Subject: RE: Many of infinite wisdom.

I'm wondering if it could be a vacuum line. Vacuum is present at idle, and
if a line is cracked you might get air passing through the line making it
whistle. Just a thought. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rock Man [SMTP:rockman20@yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:07 AM
> To:	Oldsmobile E-mail Ring
> Subject:	Many of infinite wisdom.
> 
> I am very impressed with the way this list has answered just about
> every question I have thrown out! It's hard to stump some of you, and
> even if I do, you normally point me in some direction on where to find
> my answer! Now, I have two more questions for the day. A) What type of
> paint and preparation should be used for in the engine compartment? I
> want to paint the firewall and anything else in the compartment that
> needs paint. Will I need a paint that will resist heat, or will any
> paint do? How would I prep something like that? Do I have to sand it
> and primer? B)This one is a stumper I am sure. I have a TH 350 in my
> Olds. It was completely gone through about 13,000 miles ago. It had
> new everything put in it. But, now after you have driven it for a
> while, the transmission gets this whistle in it. It isn't too
> noticable in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, but in nuetral it really whistles.
> Reverse, the whistle quiets a bit, but it still is noticable. Also,
> since the whistle showed up, it almost seems like it slips a bit in
> first gear every once in a while. Any ideas on that one? I am sure
> that I am going to end up taking it back to the tranny doctor, but the
> warranty went off it 1,000 miles ago. Thanks again!
> 
> Del
> address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 98 11:25 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Olds model kit news.

All,

Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?

My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.

In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
'66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:26:34 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Omega info

I have a '74 Omega that I bought as a parts car for the frame and other
misc. pieces. The car is a 2dr green/green hatchback with the numbers
matching 350 rocket 4bbl and th350 auto on the column. It has a factory
ram-air type duct in the radiator support behind the driver side grill. It
also has factory graphics on the sides which consist of two horizontal
stripes (yellow top/black bottom) about 1" thick and 1/2" apart that run
the length of the body with black 3-1/2" 'Omega' in the same script as the
fender emblems on the far end of the quarter panels above the stripes.
Anybody ever see or hear of one like this before?? The car is original and
unmolested right down to the original hubcaps and is straight and solid
save for the typical PA lower rear quarter rust and some nasty oxidation.
The only thing missing is the air cleaner assembly. I'm having second
thoughts about using this car for parts. I'm considering fixing it up
although I hate puke green on any car. Any imput is appreciated. 

Thanks
Ed

'74 Omega
'74 Omega
'70 Camaro
'78 IH Scout 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:26:05 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

Dumb question, isn't a 396 Chebbie a big block or is this a
different beast than the "old" 396?

jlabay wrote:
> 
> I get those looks but usually bad ones :-) They are shocked to see a small
> block Chevy in my 72 Supreme (396 LT1 Stroker from a 95 Vette). NA and runs
> high 10's all day plus I can drive it home. This motor is only temporary
> though, can't find me a good 425 or 455 build up motor yet.
> 
> Jason Labay (jlabay@neo.lrun.com) Akron, OH
> 98 C2500
> 80 Olds 442 W-30
> 72 Cutlass Supreme bowtie powered...10.88 @ 126
> 88 GTA...LS1 powered
> 
> >I love to see the expression on there faces when I open my hood , they
> >cant believe that a grandmas car runs 11.40s and has an olds engine in
> >it , then they look for  the blue bottle that is not there and walk away
> >shaking there heads. Man I love my olds
> >  Butch 68  442  post

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:32:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

The 396 is a Chevy big block.




- ---Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> 
> Dumb question, isn't a 396 Chebbie a big block or is this a
> different beast than the "old" 396?
> 

==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:33:21 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

I've seen it a few times. Try Walmart or Ames. I beleve thats where I seen
it. The photo on the box is a red car.

Ed





At 11:25 AM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>
>All,
>
>Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
>sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
>
>My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
>give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
>
>In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
>'66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
>cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
>
>Mike Turley
>turley@symplex.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:51:21 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

>The 396 is a Chevy big block.
>
>
Yeah, but he said LT1 stroker. His started life as a small block.

roger

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:34:35 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Olds model kit question

Talking about Olds model kits. Is there a 68 cutlass out?
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Gene Gilpin wrote:

> I've seen it a few times. Try Walmart or Ames. I beleve thats where I seen
> it. The photo on the box is a red car.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:25 AM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
> >
> >All,
> >
> >Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
> >sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
> >
> >My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
> >give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
> >
> >In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
> >'66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
> >cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
> >
> >Mike Turley
> >turley@symplex.com
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:45:40 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit question

I don't beleve I've seen one of those.

Ed

PS. Anybody have an answer to my '74 Omega question?
Think it's rare??


At 10:34 AM 11/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>Talking about Olds model kits. Is there a 68 cutlass out?
>George
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Gene Gilpin wrote:
>
>> I've seen it a few times. Try Walmart or Ames. I beleve thats where I seen
>> it. The photo on the box is a red car.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:25 AM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>> >
>> >All,
>> >
>> >Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442
W-30
>> >sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
>> >
>> >My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really
like to
>> >give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
>> >
>> >In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
>> >'66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
>> >cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
>> >
>> >Mike Turley
>> >turley@symplex.com
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:36:37 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 4-speed Vs. TH400

I am going to step into this one clear up to my neck.  A properly driven four
speed (or 5 or 6) will always be quicker than a 3 speed automatic.  Automatics
are for people who lack the skills to actually shift efficiently.  Manual
transmissions don't waste power like an automatic and are not burdened with a
constant torque converter slippage.
With the manual you can launch the car at any RPM the driver desires at any
time.

Now before the villagers storm the castle with lit torches, let me say a few
other things.  Automatics are more consistent for drag racing.  I am sure
there are a couple of old dinosaurs out there who can be consistent with a
manual, but they are rare.  Some of the newer multi-speed autos should be as
quick or quicker than a manual.  Automatics don't shock the tires/drive line
as hard as a manual and are more forgiving of overall gearing.  My car ran a
high 9 in the 1/8 last year while I babied the street tires trying to get the
car to move.  I am sure that with a TH400 the car would have been quicker off
the line due to better control by the driver.  Trying to get the car to react
quick and cut a good light while not blowing the tires off was/is very
difficult.  An automatic would have made the job easier and thereby lowering
the ET.

It just depends on what you are looking for in a transmission.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
4 speed with a very high fun factor

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:55:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

- ---roger hitson <hitson@i1.net> wrote:
>
> >The 396 is a Chevy big block.
> >
> >
> Yeah, but he said LT1 stroker. His started life as a small block.
> 
> roger
> 
> 

==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:59:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

Sorry about sending that message with no reply! My caffeine intake is
running low and my finger twitched! Sorry! I meant to send this. So,
does my knowladge prove me right that the LT1 Stroker is a 350 with a
stroke kit? I'm sure it has been bored as well. Or, is it a different
small block?

==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:19:32 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

>. So,
>does my knowladge prove me right that the LT1 Stroker is a 350 with a
>stroke kit? I'm sure it has been bored as well.

yes


roger

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:16:40 -0600
From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Metco Bars Holiday Special

One of the Olds Digest members recently asked about rear control arms
and someone else mentioned how good a rear end set-up they had on a drag
car. I thought I'd extend the following offer over from our Heart Of
Texas Impala SS site. There is a special on METCO billet adjustable
upper and billet lower control arms. These are AWESOME!  Ken wrote back
that Olds owners will be very welcome to participate in the "special".  
 Here is the clip of our conversation:

SS wrote:
> 
> >Are there Metco bars for Oldsmobile 442, Cutlass, etc? If so, I will
> >send info to the Oldsmobile list. Someone just asked about adjustable
> >upper control arms. Also, if there is a link for info, send it too.
> 
> Sure Chief,
> 
> Try http://www.Impala.net/Technical/ControlArms/MetcoSpecial.html for the
> basic "Holiday Special". On those items I'd have to check if there is any
> lead time but that is just several weeks if any. I can extend the special
> to those folks that want them. How have you been liking yours now that
> you've had several weeks with them?
> 
> MCA0005 & MUC0005 are the P/N's for the Upper and Lower CA's for "G" Body's
> (77-88 Monte Carlo, Buick GN, El Camino, Cutlass, & Grand Prix's).
> 
> MCA0009 & MUC0009 are the P/N's for the Upper and Lower CA's for "A" Body's
> like your own El Camino (65-72  Chevelle, GTO, 442, Skylark, El Camino's).
> The lowers will also fit the 64's but not the Uppers as we learned
> ourselves <doh>.
> 
> Pricing for either complete set would be $450 including shipping in the US.
> Canada and overseas is a little more. That represents a savings of about
> $100 off Retail.
> 
> Feel free to offer it to your Oldsmobile List Members. Also have CA's for
> the FBody and Mustangs.
> 
Terry
Terry "I AM the Heat!" Fiene
76 Luv w/455 Olds in the rear
64 El Camino - not stock
personal homepages at- http://www.flash.net/~kawtu2/

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:21:17 -0600
From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
Subject: Re: car covers

David,
  I saw your inquiry on an earlier Olds Digest. I have had several car
covers over the years. I never had one I liked until I got a new NOAH
fabric cover. My previous covers were Evolution IV. Evo IV breathes, but
also lets dirt and moisture through to the car's surface. NOAH breaths
but is water & dirt proof. Make sure you get one that is tailor made for
YOUR car, not a generic fit. You will not be sorry. The NOAH covers are
available from $120 to $200 depending on who you buy it from.
Terry
Terry "I AM the Heat!" Fiene
76 Luv w/455 Olds in the rear
64 El Camino - not stock
Personal homepages at- http://www.flash.net/~kawtu2/

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:17:49 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: 455 Intake

Does anyone have a non-egr cast intake for a 455? Email me with price
and availability.

Thanks

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:29:58 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: what one to buy???

Yeah, yeah. you've all read this...

<< 2 olds engines for sale for $200 each.
 but i dont know wich one to get? one is a 67 442 400 with a steel crank
 minus the heads.or a 75 442 350 complete with steel crank and high
 performance parts.know is a 67 400 worth buying heads for?
 or would it be just as good to go with the complete 350?
 ________
 
 If you want a big block, the 400 is the obvious way to go (you were
 expecting something else from _me_?)  Naturally, you'll spend a bunch more
 putting this motor together (Chris Witt has a nice set of redone big-valve
 C heads at a good price), but when you're done, the early short-stroke 400
 is a screamer.  Of course, be aware that parts for these early 400s are
 starting to get hard to come by (primarily pistons and rings - everything
 else is pretty much common with other Olds big blocks).  >>

Believe C.W. also has a good set of flat-top pistons for this (or 350) but
He's got good-comp pistons any road...As well as a few NEW and GM reman-ed Q-
Jets still in packaging.

Further, for a scant $200 Karl would go with the 1967 400 as that is
relatively cheap for a forged crank. Heads are gone because those would be C
or D.
Any chance of a 1967 TH400 fir a few $$ more??
That would close the deal for Karl.

But again, for $200, a more complete 350 with hipo parts...
Of course this would depend on WHAT the parts are....

Can you raise $400??

Alas, Karl has too many comittments now to venture $200 your way...

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:57:52 -0500
From: "Frank Montero" <parc@erols.com>
Subject: 1985 442 FOR SALE

WHITE/GRAY EXT.
BLUE INT.
T-TOPS
EXCELLENT CONDITION
BEST OFFER TAKES

I CAN BE REACHED @ 516-373-4457
LOCATED IN SUFFOLK COUNTY, NY (LONG ISLAND)

MUST SELL BEFORE FRIDAY DECEMBER 11TH.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:09:41 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

In a message dated 98-11-24 11:28:12 EST, you write:

<< All,
 
 Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
 sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
 
 My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
 give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
 
 In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
 '66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
 cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
 
 Mike Turley
 turley@symplex.com
 
  >>
It's not out yet.  Ertl has pushed the date back to Jan 99 for the release of
the 66.  What the other guy saw at Wallmart has been the 67 442

W MACHINES

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:17:27 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

This is the other guy. Maybe it was the '67 442. sorry

Ed

At 01:09 PM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-11-24 11:28:12 EST, you write:
>
><< All,
> 
> Earlier this year, we discussed AMT/Ertl releasing a 1/25 scale '66 442 W-30
> sometime this year.  Has anyone seen this kit out yet?
> 
> My local hobby store could not confirm its availability.  I'd really like to
> give one of these as a Christmas present if anyone can find it.
> 
> In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a 
> '66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
> cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
> 
> Mike Turley
> turley@symplex.com
> 
>  >>
>It's not out yet.  Ertl has pushed the date back to Jan 99 for the release of
>the 66.  What the other guy saw at Wallmart has been the 67 442
>
>W MACHINES
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:50:26 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

In a message dated 98-11-24 13:18:16 EST, you write:

<< This is the other guy. Maybe it was the '67 442. sorry
 
 Ed >>
Ok ed, I didnt scan for the name, I was just making people aware of whats
going on.  Here is some news for all about diecasts and resins.  BTW, I
consider myself the Oldsmobile diecast and resin guru.  I am not conceided
just convinced. :)

67 Hurst Hairy Olds release with Linda Vaughn statuer and Hurst Shifter,
release date is for December 98, 
 
66 AMT/Ertl 66 442  release date January 99

Johnny Lightning Hurst Hairy Olds 1/24 diecast and 1/64th diecast release
Dec98/Jan99

cars out currently
95 Warren Johnson Pro Stock Olds with removible hood   1/2500  1/25 diecast
95 WJ PS Olds with removible front clip   1/1500  1/25 diecast
Thats just a sample, I have a whole list of cars

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 race rocket
visit my Oldsmobile web pages at 
http://members.aol.com/wmachines

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:01:41 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bye, Hate, "C", and the Stand. Cat. of Olds

Doug's Nova writes:

<<  I don't want to be associated with it in any way.  >>

If he were an Oldsmobiler, he'd probably have named the Nova.

As Karl mentioned the other day, Doug vamoosed shortly after writing that.
So about 95% of the "Bye" and "Why do you hate"s fell on Oldsmobiling ears
(OK, eyes) only.

That was why Karl also sent his diatribe to Doug direct.

No reply.

In other news, the local Borders Bookstore opened yesterday, and Karl stopped
in for a peek.
Scored a MP&THolyGrail in widescreen format, and a book.

"The Standard Catalogue of Oldsmobile 1897-1997"

The real reason for the acquisition?

Pictures, pictures, pictures!

The photos do not include all variants of every year, but about 90% are there
in small (most less than 2"x4") black and white pics.

Now Karl can ID the Oldses better, especially when reading the Email on the
Maelstrom's hard drive while offline.

The main catalogue is separated by year, with an intro paragraph or so, then a
break down by body, then model, after the models are covered, it mentions ID
data (resulting in another 394 posting soon), engine data, chassis data,
technical data, drivetrain options, other options, history, and historical
footnotes.
(most of the above sections are only about a paragraph long)

....???
Sorry, started reading about 1976....

Anyway, shortcomings are that not all variants are pictured (including 1965
Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedans), more details are given for more modern cars
(obviously they were not willing to do that much digging.....), and the only 4
barrel carburetor is listed as a 4GC through 1969. 

Now.... that just ain't so.
Got a 1969 Q-jet to prove it!

Otherwise, just the pics make it worth $22 for Karl.
Mebbe he'll get his ID'ing of the 68-72 Cutlii right someday soon.

More later.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:01:42 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Still more on 394. (How to ID one)

OK
Finally got the "poop" on confirming these suckers.

In 1957, a motor series number was placed on a "boss" on the top of the center
exhaust port on the driver's side.

The format was A001001 for the 1957 371.

It was B001001 for the 1958 371.

It was C001001 for the 1959 371.

But it was D001001 for the 1959 394!

1960 saw the same "C" and "D" numbers for the same applications, with an
additional H001001 for some 371 engines.

1961 used S for 215s, and D, F, and G numbers for different 394 applications.

Then in 1962 there were letters all over the place!
BTW the above #s were not for engine ID as there were more model specific
numbers that were 577( )1001 in 1957 and 620( )1001 in 1962 and on the front
of the left cylinder head. In 1963 they went to semi-standardized VIN codes.

This info w/o permission from the "Standard Catalogue of Oldsmobile..."

And it is late, Karl fall down now....

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:07:34 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

No biggie WMachine. Since your the guru on Olds models, I ask, Did they
ever make a '73 or '74 Omega kit, promo or anything? If not, do you think
they ever will? I'd like to ad that to my shelf.

Ed
The Omega man

'74 Omega 455/4spd
'74 Omega 350/TH350


At 01:50 PM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-11-24 13:18:16 EST, you write:
>
><< This is the other guy. Maybe it was the '67 442. sorry
> 
> Ed >>
>Ok ed, I didnt scan for the name, I was just making people aware of whats
>going on.  Here is some news for all about diecasts and resins.  BTW, I
>consider myself the Oldsmobile diecast and resin guru.  I am not conceided
>just convinced. :)
>
>67 Hurst Hairy Olds release with Linda Vaughn statuer and Hurst Shifter,
>release date is for December 98, 
> 
>66 AMT/Ertl 66 442  release date January 99
>
>Johnny Lightning Hurst Hairy Olds 1/24 diecast and 1/64th diecast release
>Dec98/Jan99
>
>cars out currently
>95 Warren Johnson Pro Stock Olds with removible hood   1/2500  1/25 diecast
>95 WJ PS Olds with removible front clip   1/1500  1/25 diecast
>Thats just a sample, I have a whole list of cars
>
>W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
>72 442 W-30 race rocket
>visit my Oldsmobile web pages at 
>http://members.aol.com/wmachines
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:47:03 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Omega info

Not exactly rare, but interesting.  Basically an Olds version of the N*va.
Pontiac and Buick had their versions also.
I don't know about Omegas, but the Pontiac version had some chassis parts
different from the N*va for some silly reason.  Of course I have seen
differences in same year A-body chassis fome Pontiac and Olds.  I would save
the Omega if possible.  You just don't see many anymore.  They will accept any
late Olds V-8, like a 455, due to the use of make specific engines in those
days.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:14:10 EST
From: KASOLDS@aol.com
Subject: trim rechroming ?

	Has anyone ever had any trim pieces rechromed?  How did it turn 
out?	

My hood extension moldings are peeling, but otherwise they are in good shape.
I know they cost about $80 each, so I was wondering if the can be rechromed.  

If anyone has had any experience with this please give me your opinion.

Keith
70 442

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:23:48 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

In a message dated 98-11-24 14:09:26 EST, you write:

<< No biggie WMachine. Since your the guru on Olds models, I ask, Did they
 ever make a '73 or '74 Omega kit, promo or anything? If not, do you think
 they ever will? I'd like to ad that to my shelf.
 
 Ed
 The Omega man
  >>
Lindberg did a 77 Omega in 1/32 scale and was motorized,  probably not since
it wasnt a very popular model 

There was also a 73 Omega that was 1/43 scale that was a plastic put together
already that came in Cheerios boxes in 73.  It launches with a rubber band.  I
have only one and havent come across any more since.  

W MACHINES

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:20:13 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: trim rechroming ?

Has anyone ever had any trim pieces rechromed?  How did it turn out?

My hood extension moldings are peeling, but otherwise they are in good
shape.
I know they cost about $80 each, so I was wondering if the can be
rechromed.

If anyone has had any experience with this please give me your opinion.
________

Sure, they can be rechromed.  Unfortunately, since these items are pot
metal, they tend to pit.  This is difficult to correct properly before
rechroming, and as a result, chrome shops that repair and rechrome pot
metal tend to be pretty expensive.  If your pieces are pit-free, I'd go
ahead and have them rechromed.  If they are pitted, it will be cheaper to
buy the new ones.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 4442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:35:47 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds EFI

second, is the angle at which you place the injectors. You have to get
out your engine diagrams, slide rules, cad programs, what ever it is
that pleases you and find the right angle to inject the fuel at. It is
actually injected towards the center of the intake valve and has to be a
specific distance from the valve to get the right spread of the
injection of fuel.
==========

How about getting an Olds factory SB EFI intake, and taking your
measurements from there as a starting point?

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:23:40 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

In other related news, AMT/Ertl model catalog for early 1999 lists a
'66 442 convertible to be released.  This means Joe P. won't have to
cut the top off of the hardtop version, good news indeed. :)
__________

I've been waiting with bated breath (that's _bated_ breath, not bad
breath...) for over a year, so I guess I'll keep waiting.  Geeze, at this
rate, I'll get the _real_ one finished before the model (yeah, right!).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:25:24 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Chev in olds

The 396 is a Chevy big block.
_________

If it's a 396 cu in LT1 out of a 95 Vette, as Jason described, then it's a
stroker small block motor.

Now returning you to your regularly scheduled Oldsmoprogram...


Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:27:12 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

I've seen it a few times. Try Walmart or Ames. I beleve thats where I seen
it. The photo on the box is a red car.

Ed
______

Uh, Ed, are you sure the model you've been seeing isn't the _1967_ W-30
(which also has a red car on the box).  I'm not aware that the long
anticipated 66 W-30 has been released yet.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:30:19 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds model kit question

Talking about Olds model kits. Is there a 68 cutlass out?
George
_______

Unfortunately, not recently.  There was apparently a 1968 442 model
released by JoHan during the 1968 model year only.  I saw one of these
original kits (in partially assembled state) offered for sale at Fall
Carlisle for $200.  There are apparently also resin conversion parts sold
to convert the AMT 69 442 model into a 68, and while I've not seen them
personally, others on the list indicate that the quality is somewhat
lacking.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:38:34 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

Give ya a dollar for it.

Ed


>
>There was also a 73 Omega that was 1/43 scale that was a plastic put together
>already that came in Cheerios boxes in 73.  It launches with a rubber
band.  I
>have only one and havent come across any more since.  
>
>W MACHINES
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:42:02 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds model kit news.

Yea, I've been scolded on that already. It was the '67.

Ed



At 02:27 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've seen it a few times. Try Walmart or Ames. I beleve thats where I seen
>it. The photo on the box is a red car.
>
>Ed
>______
>
>Uh, Ed, are you sure the model you've been seeing isn't the _1967_ W-30
>(which also has a red car on the box).  I'm not aware that the long
>anticipated 66 W-30 has been released yet.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:48:07 EST
From: Supafli50@aol.com
Subject: Re: MATT 88 Cutlass Supreme Int

The 307 was the RWD,   the International is FWD
Matt

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:48:29 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Port Fuel Injection

Has anyone else seen this webpage? Port fuel injection for Olds -
expensive, but very cool.


http://www.rancefi.com/Text/OLDS4TXT.HTM

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:56:34 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Omega info

I'm drooling over the possibility of a monster 455 in an Omega (nice and
light). The abundance of parts for this car are overwhelming. You just have
to pretend (though not too hard) that it's a Nova. I've actually been on the
look out for a 74 Omega for cheap to make into a bracket car (455 of
course).

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Not exactly rare, but interesting.  Basically an Olds version of the N*va.
>Pontiac and Buick had their versions also.
>I don't know about Omegas, but the Pontiac version had some chassis parts
>different from the N*va for some silly reason.  Of course I have seen
>differences in same year A-body chassis fome Pontiac and Olds.  I would
save
>the Omega if possible.  You just don't see many anymore.  They will accept
any
>late Olds V-8, like a 455, due to the use of make specific engines in those
>days.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:58:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Derek Douglas <derek@primeline.net>
Subject: Engine compartment size

Does anyone know the engine compartment size of an 88 Cutlass Supreme Int.
Coupe?  And what the largest engine size that could fit in it would be?

TIA

Derek Douglas
- ---------------
'88 Cutlass Supreme Int. Coupe

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:25:19 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Omega info

I'm currently doing a frame off on my '74 Omega that I've owned for 11
years. It was my first car. Feels great to still have my first car. I've
heard so many 'I wish I still had.....daydreams'. When I'm done this thing
will have a built 455 rocket w/ram-air (shooting for 550+ lb/ft of torque),
Flowmaster exhaust, Muncie M21 4spd, 12 bolt 4:10 posi out of a '69 big
block Nova, 4 wheel discs, rear sway bar, subframe connectors, 6 point
cage, stock black bench seat interior, cranberry red w/black pinstripe down
the body line. How's that add to the drool over factor? 
I also have another '74 Omega that was to be a parts car but now looks like
the next project. It's the green/green hatchback 350/TH350 w/special
factory stripes that I asked the list about earlier today. (by the way, I'm
still waiting to see if anyone has any info on that one) It's the only
Omega I've ever seen with those graphics and the ram-air setup. And I
guarantee it's original equipiment.

Ed
The Omega man

'74 Omega 455/4spd
'74 Omega 350/auto


At 02:56 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm drooling over the possibility of a monster 455 in an Omega (nice and
>light). The abundance of parts for this car are overwhelming. You just have
>to pretend (though not too hard) that it's a Nova. I've actually been on the
>look out for a 74 Omega for cheap to make into a bracket car (455 of
>course).
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:34:57 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Omega info

David L Wyatt wrote:
> 
> differences in same year A-body chassis fome Pontiac and Olds.  I would save
> the Omega if possible.  You just don't see many anymore.  They will accept 
any
> late Olds V-8, like a 455, due to the use of make specific engines in those
> days.

Yeah, like I said before, you could make those things into one sweet
strip monster.

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:55:02 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

>> IMHO, it will look... oh, what's the technical term I'm trying
>> to think of here... "goofy".
>_______
>
>> I disagree.  In a custom application, this can look pretty cool.
>> I'm also a fan of body-color firewalls.

So am I. The difference as I see it is between whether the body
color is inside or outside. I don't like to see the body color
intruding into the interior for the simple reason that it makes
the interior look unfinished, as if the factory never got around
to covering all the hard metal edges. Granted the older cars have
painted-metal A pillars and so on, but I thought the color of
paint there typically matches the interior, not the exterior.

> One thing to watch out for on the dash, however, is that the
> stock paint is anti-glare.  Using a gloss body color
> paint could result in dangerous reflections.

No argument there, certainly.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:01:54 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: daytime running lights

I am also bothered by DRL's.  I think they make people lazier & less
attentive to driving.  I have lazy cure for them, though. Just push the
parking brake pedal down one click.
Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net  

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:12:36 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: daytime running lights

In a message dated 11/24/98 9:17:10 AM EST, Padavano.Joe@orbital.com writes:

<< Well, being the non-conformist of the bunch, I'd like to know how to
 _disable_ the DRLs.   >>

Hey joe,
I thought I was the non conformist. How many 75 Deltas do you see with drl's?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:02:32 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: What do you think?

I don't like to see the body color
intruding into the interior for the simple reason that it makes
the interior look unfinished, as if the factory never got around
to covering all the hard metal edges.
__________

Andy, while you're certainly entitled to your opinion (wrong as it may
be...  come on, this from a guy who not only defends DRLs, but doesn't even
own an Olds...), the body-color-carried-into-the-interior is a current
factory show-car trend.  Doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong, just
different.  Witness the Prowler, which has a body-color surround on the
dash for the gauges.  Unfortunately, the purple ones barely show up, but
the yellow ones...

I just personally think it looks cool when done tastefully (how's that for
a qualifier).

And before anyone complains about my flaming Andy, please note that at
least I didn't call him an ignorant slut...  ;-)
(where's Mike Frederick when you need him?)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:17:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: trim rechroming ?

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 KASOLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 	Has anyone ever had any trim pieces rechromed?  How did it turn 
out?	

I unfortunately had the bad fortune of dealing with an inept local
rechrome shop a few years ago when I had the big diecast chrome trim panel
between the taillights on my '64 Skylark rechromed. They basically ruined
it, just before they went out of business. I had to track down a
replacement piece, so it was a very expensive episode.

I have seen the front-of-front fender peak moldings on a '68 done by
another shop though, and they look very good, so I have mine off the car
presently awaiting shipment to Cambridge Chrome in Ontario. I think the
cost is about the same as repros. I know that for the '68 eyebrow moldings
I would always rechrome them following my bad experience this summer with
the repros. Don't know if the later model ones are of better quality.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:23:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: DRL's

Daytime running lights have been law in Canada since the late 80s. I
thought they were silly at first, but when I bought my first new car with
them in 1990 it turned out they were quite convenient. I liked having them
on (they ran at about 70% intensity according to the manual) on stormy
days when it was dark during the daytime because you didn't have to worry
about forgetting to shut them off when you shut down the car.

Only downside was when I drove to Boston that summer everyone kept
reminding me that I had my headlights on in the daytime. :)  I assume they
are common enough down there now that you don't get that any more.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:41:00 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

The interioir will be black...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: What do you think?
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:03 AM
> 
> What color is the interior?
> 
> At 12:50 AM 11/24/98 , you wrote:
> >My 72 442 is being completely repainted. We have the front window out
and
> >the dash is out. I was thinking of painting the metal portion of the
dash
> >and the steering column the color the car is being painted(quasar blue).
I
> >know factory did not due this. THe metal dash and steering cloumn were
the
> >color of the interior. Do you think this will look good? 
> >
> >Pettrix@prodigy.net
> > 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
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>  MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
>  2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
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>  1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
> 	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
>  	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
> -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:47:32 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?

> One thing to remember: all body fillers will attrach moisture, so don't
> leave the car out, or drive around in the rain! All primers (except
> exotic stuff) don't provide a moisture barrier either.

Ok, I stand corrected, All Metal is pretty much unaffected to moisture.
Still I wouldn't run the car in the wet.

Regarding body filler vs leading, when I stripped the 70 Delta's trunk
lid, I
discovered a patch of filler, probably applied by the shop that
repainted the car around 1982'ish. About 1/4" thick (thicker than it
should be), and holding like crazy. So, I guess they did a good prep
job. I (and many others) never knew it was there until I stripped the
trunk. So it seems the stuff will work sort of permanently.

- -- 
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:52 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

I have seen this done to alot of rods and customs. They bring the exterioir
color into the interior which makes the color kinds transcend.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: What do you think?
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:06 AM
> 
> > I was thinking of painting the metal portion of the dash
> > and the steering column the color the car is being painted
> > (quasar blue). I know factory did not do this. The metal
> > dash and steering cloumn were the color of the interior.
> > Do you think this will look good? 
> 
> IMHO, it will look... oh, what's the technical term I'm trying
> to think of here... "goofy".
> 
> Seriously, having the exterior color intrude on the interior
> is the kind of thing you see in cheap econoboxes; it makes the
> interior look kind of unfinished. I would repaint the way the
> factory did it originally.
> 
> -- Andy
> 
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:50:23 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What do you think?

I seen this type of coloring done at numerous car shows I have attended. It
looks real good. I figure if I got the dash and window out, now is the time
to do it. The blcak vinyl part of the dash will sit on top of the metal
part, which will bring a nice contrast from the metal dash(BLUE) to the
vinyl part(BLACK). Look at the BOYD car, the yellow rod, it has that done
to the interior. ALso numerous Pro-Street cars had this done also. It
actually makes the dash shine ALOT more than the flat black the factory
usd. yes glare can be a problem, but on a 72 442 convertible the window is
no that curved, as new cars are. The curve in a window causes the new cars
to glare alot.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: What do you think?
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:02 PM
> 
> I don't like to see the body color
> intruding into the interior for the simple reason that it makes
> the interior look unfinished, as if the factory never got around
> to covering all the hard metal edges.
> __________
> 
> Andy, while you're certainly entitled to your opinion (wrong as it may
> be...  come on, this from a guy who not only defends DRLs, but doesn't
even
> own an Olds...), the body-color-carried-into-the-interior is a current
> factory show-car trend.  Doesn't necessarily make it right or wrong, just
> different.  Witness the Prowler, which has a body-color surround on the
> dash for the gauges.  Unfortunately, the purple ones barely show up, but
> the yellow ones...
> 
> I just personally think it looks cool when done tastefully (how's that
for
> a qualifier).
> 
> And before anyone complains about my flaming Andy, please note that at
> least I didn't call him an ignorant slut...  ;-)
> (where's Mike Frederick when you need him?)
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
> 

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:49:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: trim rechroming ?

> Sure, they can be rechromed.  Unfortunately, since these items are pot
> metal, they tend to pit.  This is difficult to correct properly before
> rechroming, and as a result, chrome shops that repair and rechrome pot
> metal tend to be pretty expensive.  If your pieces are pit-free, I'd
go
> ahead and have them rechromed.  If they are pitted, it will be
cheaper to
> buy the new ones.
- ------------------------------------------------------

So then, what about the stainless steel pieces? Can these be
refinished somehow? There are a few pieces on my Olds like around the
windshield and a few spots on the door pieces where you can see that
someone sanded on them. It looks like they had stripped the car to
bare metal and never took this trim off resulting in sanding marks.
Can this be fixed or will I have to look at buying different pieces?

Del
==
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:52:09 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: trim rechroming ?

So then, what about the stainless steel pieces? Can these be
refinished somehow?
________

Very easily, as it turns out.  They simply need to be repolished, which you
can either have done or do yourself with a bench grinder and a buffing
wheel and compound.  If the items are badly scratched, you will need to
sand them first, using progressively finer sandpaper.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:12:36 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: FAQ

Over last week and the weekend, I incorporated information from 15 of
the 127 files I have of information for the FAQ. Many of the files that
are left involve lots of reorganization or are just plain huge, so this
won't be done in 9 weeks!

I will be at work for a large upgrade next weekend, so I might get a ton
of work done on the FAQ. Hopefully true.
- -- 
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:15:32 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: model kits

            I have found a few things at www.ebay.com. It is an on-line
auction. I don't have all the details on how it works, but my wife uses it to
purchase those dang beanie babies and baskets. I decided to seach for any
items related to Oldsmobile. I just bought a 72 Cutlass sales catloge for 15
dollars!!......There are several Jo-han model kits a few 76? kits out there
too........Hey Joe P, there is even a sales catlog of 1966 model cars (with a
Tornado on the cover ) out there.   Now i hope we won't be fighting each other
for any thing that is posted out there. .......SCOTT     
   
     (usual disclaimer stuff.....just thought id pass the info along)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:19:29 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: FAQ

Thanks David, 
	I know that the FAQ represents a huge amount of work but
for a newbie like myself it is an invaluable reference.

	Good Luck.

David Brown wrote:
> 
> Over last week and the weekend, I incorporated information from 15 of
> the 127 files I have of information for the FAQ. Many of the files that
> are left involve lots of reorganization or are just plain huge, so this
> won't be done in 9 weeks!
> 
> I will be at work for a large upgrade next weekend, so I might get a ton
> of work done on the FAQ. Hopefully true.
> --
> David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
>           Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
> http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
> Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>            ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:23:22 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: daytime running lights

shang@connect.net wrote:
> 
> Andrew C. Green wrote:
> >
> > > Well, being the non-conformist of the bunch, I'd like to know how
> > > to _disable_ the DRLs.  

> The DRL's can be disabled by removing the fuse for there circuit.
> Consult the owner's manual for fuse location. It is an isolated circuit
> and will not effect anything else.

I don't have anything new enough to have the lights, but sometimes you
really don't WANT to be seen easily.  Been more than once I've tried to
hide in the dusk as I go down the road a mile or tow above the posted
speed limit, especially back when it was 55.  I know it probably was a
psycological thing, but I thought it kind of helped hide me from the
constabulary going the other way on the interstates at least a little
bit.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:22:35 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: console extension harness

List,
        Can someone tell me line of travel for the
console extension harness in my 67'? Does
it travel down the tranny tunnel or across
the floor ?


Tanks
The General

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:32:49 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Many of infinite wisdom.

Rock Man wrote:

Snipping a little content

> that I am going to end up taking it back to the tranny doctor, but the
> warranty went off it 1,000 miles ago. 

I thought that was the purpose of a warranty.  That way you would know
how long you have to save your money up so you can replace the part(s)
that just went OUT of warranty.  Had this happen to me just recently on
the radiator of my mobile office, the 89 Town Car.  Bought it in April
last year, it croaks in October this year.  The tank itself was leaking
around where it was joined, obviously a manufacturer defect.  Took it
back to the place I bought it for replacement and he was going to run it
through for me anyway.  Turns out he had changed suppliers during that
time so I wind up buying a new radiator anyway.  $130 isn't a lot of
money, but I wasn't real happy about it anyhow.

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