Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
To:	oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
cc:	 
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #1619


oldsmobile-digest      Monday, November 23 1998      Volume 01 : Number 1619



Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
RE: Igor 20
Re: Bye.
RE: Igor 20
car wont turn off
MATT 88 Cutlass Supreme Int
RE: daytime running lights
Re: car wont turn off
Re: yet another carb question
Re: Olds 455 oiling system
Re: car wont turn off
Headders
RE: daytime running lights
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: Headders
RE: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Starfire cruise
Thanks.
RE: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
Re: 4 oh sumthin in Trans Am
Dec JWO & OCA Web Site
Re: yet another carb question
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?
Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight
Re: Igor 20
info wanted on 307
Speedo gear changes
Re: Bye.
small block Olds oil fill tube
Repro Batteries?
Re: Repro Batteries?
SOM the legendary wreck continues...
Re: Repro Batteries?
Repro Batteries?
Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?
Newbe
subscribe digest
unsubscribe
Doug? Don't go!
what one to buy???
Request help for My Olds' History
Re: Pics of my 80 Olds 442
Re: 455 Buildup
Re: car wont turn off
Re: Newbe
Re: what one to buy???

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:31:17 EST
From: Supafli50@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

I would say that Chevys are a really great car.  Compared to any other GM line
cars with the exception of Oldsmobile.  Chevys are more than a mediocre car.
Olds's and Chevys come from the same plants and same companies so with all the
money invovled they arent going to make one car more inferior to the other.
But Oldsmobile do seem to last.
Matt
88 Olds Cutlass Supreme Int
(dads) 70 Monte Carlo SS

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:33:24 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Igor 20

The timing chain went on the 307, so I put in a 455!

Now that's the kind of logic that we should all follow! 

Maybe the next time I have to add ATF, I'll just bolt in a six speed.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:45:32 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Bye.

Doug Pack wrote:
> 
> Hey yall. When I asked why yall downed Chevy's I recieved this:
> 
> >Doug,
> >You'll find names like Ch*vy and Pont*ac etc. as our list is
> >strictly Oldsmobile. We don't really want discussion about other
> >than Olds on it. Don't mean to hurt your feelings but we feel any
> >cars other than Oldsmobile are sub-standard. Sorry.
> 
> Not talking about anything but Oldsmobiles is fine for a Olds
> mailing list, but to say that all others are inferior?? I
> really appriciate all of you who welcomed me, but if this is the
> way Olds owners feel, I don't want to be associated with it in
> any way. When I get out of on my own, screw the 442, I'll take
> a Bow Tie.

Hmmm...that's a shame. Usually, people are a little more receptive and
take it humorously when we dis the ch*vs. Oh well, just another Nova
we'll have to smoke i guess!

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:36:35 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: RE: Igor 20

At 10:33 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The timing chain went on the 307, so I put in a 455!

Talk about a case of the "Mightaswells" :)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:46:21 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: car wont turn off

Hi, I'm kind've a newby on this list.. though I have been on before and you've
all been very helpful..Anyway, I've got a bit of a problem. About a month ago
my timing chain on my 73 Cutlass Supreme fell off the cam gear on the highway
due to fairly extreme wear on the gear.  I replaced the chain and gears,
though i haven't gotten the car started yet, it's flooded right now.  Anyway,
after deciding to let the car sit overnight to clear itself out, I noticed
that the gen light in the gauge cluster didn't go out after I took the key out
of the ignition.  Anyone have any ideas why this would be?  
There are a couple of things that I think it might be.  One, the column might
have a short in it as it will only start with the column in certain positions.
Two, there might've been mice in the car ( we caught some in the garage.)
Three, the positive battery cable was loose when we tried to start the car and
was hot when we got too it.  
Anyway, thanks for the help.

DrkSole98@aol.com 
73 Cutlass Supreme 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:49:18 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: MATT 88 Cutlass Supreme Int

Matt,

What's int?  I thought the 88  Cutli were all called classics?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Supafli50@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 10:31 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?


I would say that Chevys are a really great car.  Compared to any other GM
line
cars with the exception of Oldsmobile.  Chevys are more than a mediocre car.
Olds's and Chevys come from the same plants and same companies so with all
the
money invovled they arent going to make one car more inferior to the other.
But Oldsmobile do seem to last.
Matt
88 Olds Cutlass Supreme Int
(dads) 70 Monte Carlo SS

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:53:40 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: daytime running lights

Hey quick!  Go turn on TNN and see if Shadetree Mechanic is on!
They put a keyless entry system in that also had low-level daytime running
light control.  Can't remember the name of the unit, but I'm sure you could
find something in JC Whitney.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JonKrisInc@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 7:35 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: daytime running lights


Anybody know how to wire for low power daytime running ligts? Do they sell a
module or something for Non-computerized cars? If not, is there some sort of
jury-rig way (with resistors or such) to make this work? Sure would
appreciate
the electrical know how of the list.
Tia
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:51:26 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: car wont turn off

>I noticed
>that the gen light in the gauge cluster didn't go out after I took the key
out
>of the ignition.  Anyone have any ideas why this would be?  

my first guess would be that the ignition switch is worn and let the key out 
while in the ACC position.

will any "ignition hot" things work with the key out?

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:57:41 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: yet another carb question

Wheew!  I have decided to use a replacement Q-jet, especially after all
of that!  Your mentioning Open and closed loop piques my curiosity,
mostly because I don't understand the terminology.  The only trouble
code I get is 45, which Chilton says occurs only after the engine has
been running in closed loop for five minutes.  I haven't seen any
reccommended causes/fixes for this in the book.  Any ideas, other tha
the carb?  I ask because I am really tired of thinking about that thing,
probably as much as everyone is tired of hearing about it.
thank you,
Brian. 

Bob Blanchard wrote:
> 
> >Thanks, but what do I do with the two sets of extra wires that will be
> >left from the q-jet?
> 
> These wires control primary metering. Your computer takes data from the oxy
> sensor
> and enrichens/leans the mixture in the carb via a mixture control
> (MC)soleniod. the other
> set of wires tell the computer the throtle position via the throttle
> position sensor (TPS)
> (and the computer uses this data to operate the same soleniod) At warm temp
> idle and cruse the computer only take data from the oxy sensor (closed loop)
> and during accel/decell the computer takes data from the throttle position
> sensor
> and ignores the oxy sensor(open loop).
> 
> wheew that was long winded :)
> 
> so to use the aftermarket carb you can do 1 of 3 things
> 1: cut the wires of at the firewall and ignore the light
> 2: short the ECM test terminals and keep it in test mode  (not recomended)
> 3: tune the carb as close to 14.7:1 air fuel as possible so you don't get a
> oxy sensor error code. Mount the Q-jet TPS in a way that the aftermarket carb
> throttle arm moves it. and the last part is to mount the coil part of the MC
> solenoid somewhere(small box hidden somewhere) so that it will supply the
> corect resistanse. This third option keeps the system intact but
> nuetralizes it.
> It will cycle normaly through open/closed loop and store no error codes
> (keeping those damn idiot lights from lighting), it will also keep your ECM
> controlled distributor advance tied to the carburator TPS
> 
> > what about a known-to-be-perfect q-jet
> >transplant from a donor g-body Monte Carlo?  I just found one of those
> >about half hour ago and am interested, if it is feasible.
> >Thanks again,
> >Brian.
> >
> >
> A replacment electric Q-jet is definatly the better/easier route.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:54:38 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 455 oiling system

To All the List,

        I have been sitting back watching this thread on oiling sytems. I want
to make a comment about these supposed problems. Olds oiling systems aren't as
bad as most would think. My race engine builder Danny Lattimore, (who is the
one that has a 10 sec Olds in D/Stock class, 70 SX with a 455 in it.) has been
building these things as long as Joe Mondello has. He has never found half of
what Joe says to be true. If you want to listen to all Joe has to say you'd buy
all His parts and have $5000-$10000 in an engine. It's true all the neat things
make an engine sligthly more efficient but you can have yourself a great street
engine for under $3000.00. One that will go a very long time. If you put oil
restricters in the block at the bearings your not really accomplishing what you
want. I would go with rotating the cam bearings slightly where it feeds oil to
the lifter galleys and put a stock regular oil pump in the engine with a 4
quart pan.  Make sure to run near the max limits on all your bearing
clearances. We run .0031-.0033 on the mains and .0025-.0027 on the rods. NEVER
had a problem. Studs are not required for the bottom end either. Good bolts
work just as well. On an engine rebuild the best money spent is in the cylinder
heads and the cam with impeccable assembly practices and you'll have one heck
of an engine.  

My $.02
Jim Chermack

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:52:38 +0000
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Re: car wont turn off

Hey drksole96@aol.com i had the same problem with my 66.  the problem was
in the alternator.  It was like a diode or something.  If you bring it in
to Big Wheel or any automotive store they should be able to check it and
tell you if that is the problem.  Hopefully this will help you.

F85@juno.com
'66 F85

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:59:17 +0000
From: f85@juno.com (Joe R Brockman)
Subject: Headders

I have a 66 olds Cutlass F-85 with a 330 engine.  The problem I am having
is trying to headders for it.  The main reason I want headders is because
I'm putting a pretty beefed-up cam and I want it to breathe good.  Any
Suggestions?

f85@juno.com
66 olds F-85

___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:18:07 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: daytime running lights

I just checked JC Whitney and they have 2 kits listed (page 109):
(1) Audiovox  >> Automatic on/off with the ign switch and delay off of
30,60, or 90 secs.  $40
(2) No Name brand >> Auto on/off , no delay option listed, low voltage (24%
less voltage) .   $25

Hope this helps,
Donny  ( I ain't got no problem with them che#@s ! )
72 Olds 442
89 Olds Cutlass
87 Ni$$a Truck w/ CHEVY V-8
63 CHEVY Truck (Dad stole this one ! )
41 CHEVY Truck (He's trying to steal this one too ! )

> ----------
> From: 	Ray Costanzo[SMTP:costanzo@netcarrier.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Sunday, November 22, 1998 10:53 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	RE: daytime running lights
> 
> Hey quick!  Go turn on TNN and see if Shadetree Mechanic is on!
> They put a keyless entry system in that also had low-level daytime running
> light control.  Can't remember the name of the unit, but I'm sure you
> could
> find something in JC Whitney.
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass
> Bucks County, PA
> costanzo@netcarrier.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JonKrisInc@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 7:35 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: daytime running lights
> 
> 
> Anybody know how to wire for low power daytime running ligts? Do they sell
> a
> module or something for Non-computerized cars? If not, is there some sort
> of
> jury-rig way (with resistors or such) to make this work? Sure would
> appreciate
> the electrical know how of the list.
> Tia
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv.
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:03:26 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

I have a Chevy, and I hate it. Been in the shop for more warrantee work than
ANYTHING I've ever owned.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:20:48 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

That's interesting. I've never weighed my 75 Salon, but the title says 4200
lbs. I think that sounds heavier than the truth, but those bumpers weigh
over 150# each by themselves. What gives? Does my car weigh in at 4200 or
3571? It has A/C and 455/T400. Any help would be appreciated. Weight is an
important factor when doing an engine build up. I'm in the middle of that
now so the engine is out of the car so I can't go weigh it.

>1976 Cutlass S Coupe stats per Olds Dealer 1976 Competative Comparisons
>
>width                    76.2 in
>overall length        209.6 in
>luggage capacity        16.3 cu ft
>fuel capacity            22.0  us gal
>legroom                 front 42.4    back 32.9
>headroom              front 37.2     back 36.7
>shoulder room       front 59.6    back 57.9
>
>other
>
>height       53.4 in
>hip room        front 54.9    back 52.7
>curb weight         3571 lbs
>
>
>Supreme model figures vary slightly
>
>Marvin Friesen
>Vancouver, BC
>
>1976 Cutlass S One Owner
>1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CCAC Network User cgc74 <cgc74@unix1.ccac.edu>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:18 AM
>Subject: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
>
>
>>Hi List,
>>Anybody know any specs for '73-'77 Cutlass coupe and sedan.  I know that
>>two doors had a 112" wheelbase and four doors had a 114" wheelbase.  I
>>am looking for width, overall length, luggage capacity, fuel capacity,
>>legroom, headroom and shoulder room.  Any help is appriciated.  Thanks
>>-Chris Carlson
>>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:18:22 -0500
From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Headders

Joe

        Nobody makes an off the shelf header for the small block Olds in the
64-67 cars. Dave Smith has listed sets that are modified to fit these cars. As
for purchasing a cheap set, there aren't any. The big block ones will fit the
early bodys.

Jim Chermack

At 04:59 PM 11/22/98 , you wrote:
>I have a 66 olds Cutlass F-85 with a 330 engine.  The problem I am having
>is trying to headders for it.  The main reason I want headders is because
>I'm putting a pretty beefed-up cam and I want it to breathe good.  Any
>Suggestions?
>
>f85@juno.com
>66 olds F-85
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:29:52 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

What I 've always heard was that passenger car's GVW has been padded 750#
for passengers and payload,  Trucks 1000# heavier. 
Donny

> ----------
> From: 	Edward Binnix[SMTP:comid@jellico.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Sunday, November 22, 1998 11:20 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
> 
> That's interesting. I've never weighed my 75 Salon, but the title says
> 4200
> lbs. I think that sounds heavier than the truth, but those bumpers weigh
> over 150# each by themselves. What gives? Does my car weigh in at 4200 or
> 3571? It has A/C and 455/T400. Any help would be appreciated. Weight is an
> important factor when doing an engine build up. I'm in the middle of that
> now so the engine is out of the car so I can't go weigh it.
> 
> >1976 Cutlass S Coupe stats per Olds Dealer 1976 Competative Comparisons
> >
> >width                    76.2 in
> >overall length        209.6 in
> >luggage capacity        16.3 cu ft
> >fuel capacity            22.0  us gal
> >legroom                 front 42.4    back 32.9
> >headroom              front 37.2     back 36.7
> >shoulder room       front 59.6    back 57.9
> >
> >other
> >
> >height       53.4 in
> >hip room        front 54.9    back 52.7
> >curb weight         3571 lbs
> >
> >
> >Supreme model figures vary slightly
> >
> >Marvin Friesen
> >Vancouver, BC
> >
> >1976 Cutlass S One Owner
> >1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: CCAC Network User cgc74 <cgc74@unix1.ccac.edu>
> >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:18 AM
> >Subject: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
> >
> >
> >>Hi List,
> >>Anybody know any specs for '73-'77 Cutlass coupe and sedan.  I know that
> >>two doors had a 112" wheelbase and four doors had a 114" wheelbase.  I
> >>am looking for width, overall length, luggage capacity, fuel capacity,
> >>legroom, headroom and shoulder room.  Any help is appriciated.  Thanks
> >>-Chris Carlson
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:35:40 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

In a message dated 11/22/98 8:19:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dougs_nova@hotmail.com writes:

<< Why is it that alot of you don't like Chevy's? I could see
 why some big headed Vette and Chevelle owners might turn you off,
 but whenever someone mentions an Olds on the Nova mailing list,
 postive remarks are all you hear. There is one guy on there that
 has a '67 F-85 and he said he loves his.  >>

he has a point here, guys.  that stuff kinda torques me off.  its ok to mildly
joke about the other makes, but dont do any of the serius dissing stuff, it
makes us look like we have our heads stuck up our asses.  im also on the monte
carlo mailing list and they have never made fun of me because of my olds.
heck, the only thing different between an olds and chevy a-body is the engines
and body panels.  i wont mention the "O" and "C" 12 bolt rears...  i think you
guys know where im going with that.  anyways, all im saying is that if someone
on here has some chevy stuff dont treat him like dirt.  if hes on here, he
likes oldsmobiles too, and thats all that matters.
jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:38:20 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

So 4200# minus 750# equals 4450# curb weight. Is that the idea? If someone
could confirm this . . .

- -----Original Message-----

>
>What I 've always heard was that passenger car's GVW has been padded 750#
>for passengers and payload,  Trucks 1000# heavier.
>Donny
>
>> ----------
>> From: Edward Binnix[SMTP:comid@jellico.com]
>> Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 11:20 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
>>
>> That's interesting. I've never weighed my 75 Salon, but the title says
>> 4200
>> lbs. I think that sounds heavier than the truth, but those bumpers weigh
>> over 150# each by themselves. What gives? Does my car weigh in at 4200 or
>> 3571? It has A/C and 455/T400. Any help would be appreciated. Weight is
an
>> important factor when doing an engine build up. I'm in the middle of that
>> now so the engine is out of the car so I can't go weigh it.
>>
>> >1976 Cutlass S Coupe stats per Olds Dealer 1976 Competative Comparisons
>> >
>> >width                    76.2 in
>> >overall length        209.6 in
>> >luggage capacity        16.3 cu ft
>> >fuel capacity            22.0  us gal
>> >legroom                 front 42.4    back 32.9
>> >headroom              front 37.2     back 36.7
>> >shoulder room       front 59.6    back 57.9
>> >
>> >other
>> >
>> >height       53.4 in
>> >hip room        front 54.9    back 52.7
>> >curb weight         3571 lbs
>> >
>> >
>> >Supreme model figures vary slightly
>> >
>> >Marvin Friesen
>> >Vancouver, BC
>> >
>> >1976 Cutlass S One Owner
>> >1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: CCAC Network User cgc74 <cgc74@unix1.ccac.edu>
>> >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> >Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:18 AM
>> >Subject: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs
>> >
>> >
>> >>Hi List,
>> >>Anybody know any specs for '73-'77 Cutlass coupe and sedan.  I know
that
>> >>two doors had a 112" wheelbase and four doors had a 114" wheelbase.  I
>> >>am looking for width, overall length, luggage capacity, fuel capacity,
>> >>legroom, headroom and shoulder room.  Any help is appriciated.  Thanks
>> >>-Chris Carlson
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:44:27 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

You also don't go on a Monte Carlo list saying, "hey guys isn't the Cutlass
a great car?" You probably stick to the subject matter because you know that
it's a MONTE CARLO LIST. What did the guy expect?

- -----Original Message-----


>he has a point here, guys.  that stuff kinda torques me off.  its ok to
mildly
>joke about the other makes, but dont do any of the serius dissing stuff, it
>makes us look like we have our heads stuck up our asses.  im also on the
monte
>carlo mailing list and they have never made fun of me because of my olds.
>heck, the only thing different between an olds and chevy a-body is the
engines
>and body panels.  i wont mention the "O" and "C" 12 bolt rears...  i think
you
>guys know where im going with that.  anyways, all im saying is that if
someone
>on here has some chevy stuff dont treat him like dirt.  if hes on here, he
>likes oldsmobiles too, and thats all that matters.
>jeremy
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:36:41 -0800
From: Ted Griffin <griffint@govst.edu>
Subject: Starfire cruise

The cruise control cable is missing on my "new" 63 starfire.  I have
been told that because it drives off the left front wheel and had some
rather severe bends, cables tended to not last more than a couple of
years.  Still I would like to find a replacement.  The previous owner
said he had tried for a long time with no success.  Any advice from the
experts here?

Griff

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:44:33 PST
From: "Spruce Schintz" <shpud@hotmail.com>
Subject: Thanks.

Hi.

With all the recent discussions about things such as N*vas and other 
non-Olds vehicles (which seem to have some interesting effects!) and 
what not, i figured this would be a good time to thank all the people on 
the list who have helped me with my questions so far. 

Canada doesn't exactly give much assistance by holding winter back for 
me to figure little details out on my own. (I was on a deadline for 
getting it ready since it is supposed to be the lead car in my town's 
upcoming Christmas parade. This will be it's second year, and the mayor 
specifically requested to ride in the "big red convertible" again. 
Hopefully this year the newspaper won't screw up and refer to it as a 
'67 Bu*ck! If they do they are going to have some trouble... they got it 
last year too!)

I'm really glad that I was able to get very helpful and informative 
answers to my question. I really didn't know much about Oldses before I 
subscribed to the list (and still don't know much, but I'm learning.) 
since I've never owned one, (It's actually my first car, but that's just 
a detail, right? What better car to start with?) but I think I've been 
converted. OLDSMOBILES ARE GREAT.

There are obviously many knowlegable people on this list and it's good 
to see that some of them are more than willing to lend a helping hand to 
a younger generation just getting started with their Oldses.
So thanks to all you.

Spruce

67 Delmont c/v

ps- my webpages should be updated soon, and to show my appreciation to 
you all, there will be a section for all list members to post 
pictures/histories of their cars. 

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:48:58 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

	Edward wrote:
> So 4200# minus 750# equals 4450# curb weight. 
I think you meant 3450#, right?

> Is that the idea? If someone
> could confirm this . . .
> 
I hope that someone can confirm , 'cause I've never really been sure or it.
My nissan truck says 4000# GVW in the door jamb and it weighs 3000#.

My 72 442 holiday coupe weighs 3770# on the scales, what was it's GVW ?

Donny

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:49:13 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: '73-'77 Cutlass Specs

The wieght on the title is normally the gross vehicle weight rating or GVWR
which is a rating of maximum capacity not dry weight or curb weight which
is "wet" (topped off with all fluids).  Differences in optional equipment
will
give you variances in actual vehicle weight so the best thing to do is to
actually weigh the car but don't use a heavy truck scale since it is
calibrated
for much higher weights and when weighing a car can vary several hundred
pounds.  Since you can't wiegh the car now set your figures on the 3571
weight which may be a little low since you have a 455 but if you drop the
weight by installing an aluminum intake etc, it should still be closer to
the
3571 than the 4200.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>That's interesting. I've never weighed my 75 Salon, but the title says 4200
>lbs. I think that sounds heavier than the truth, but those bumpers weigh
>over 150# each by themselves. What gives? Does my car weigh in at 4200 or
>3571? It has A/C and 455/T400. Any help would be appreciated. Weight is an
>important factor when doing an engine build up. I'm in the middle of that
>now so the engine is out of the car so I can't go weigh it.
>
>>1976 Cutlass S Coupe stats per Olds Dealer 1976 Competative Comparisons
>>curb weight         3571 lbs

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:28:01 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4 oh sumthin in Trans Am

They quite installing 403's and 400's in ta's in 1979!!

>My friend's coworker has a 1980 T/A.  He wants to go Ch*vy powered and
>will sell me his engine, a "4 oh something P*ntiac" for $200 with
>transmission. (score!)  If this is an Olds it's gonna be mine.  I just
>can't find Olds 403 specs on any Poncho related pages. Can anyone 
please
>tell me what to expect internally, such as forged or cast pistons, rods
>or crank?  I suspect the Firebird may have been more likely to have the
>good stuff than a fullsize Olds since it's a "performance" application.
>Also, would the exhaust manifolds fit?  He says the car runs well in
>neutral but has no power or power brakes.             Thanks much,
>Jeff Carter
>68 442
>blue442@webtv.net  
>
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 00:41:25 -0500
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Dec JWO & OCA Web Site

Just finished doing the OCA Mailing List for the DecemberJWO so cross your
fingers.  The mailing co. in Lansing gets it Mon/Tue so lets see what
happens.  Roughly 6,300 JWO's go out just in the US & Canada alone, doing
the foreign list tomorrow (have to be done by hand for proper postage to
each country.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED!

Onto the web site next weekend w/ pictures from 93 & 98 National Meets along
w/ a complete Indy Pace Car history.

Brad Nicholson (OCA#18984)
OCA's Web (& Computer Geek) Guy
brad442@erols.com
webguy@oldsclub.org
http://www.oldsclub.org

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:50:03 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: yet another carb question

At 10:57 PM 11/22/98 -0200, you wrote:
>Wheew!  I have decided to use a replacement Q-jet, especially after all
>of that!  Your mentioning Open and closed loop piques my curiosity,
>mostly because I don't understand the terminology.  The only trouble
>code I get is 45, which Chilton says occurs only after the engine has
>been running in closed loop for five minutes.  I haven't seen any
>reccommended causes/fixes for this in the book.  Any ideas, other tha
>the carb?  I ask because I am really tired of thinking about that thing,
>probably as much as everyone is tired of hearing about it.
>thank you,
>Brian. 
>
closed loop means that that there is a closed circuit (computer 
sensor and wiring) open loop means that the ECM is ignoring a sensor.

"45" means rich exhaust (as picked up bye the oxy sensor)
check for fuel in you evaporative system and try cleaning or replacing 
the oxy sensor.
   Does this car have a dual catalist catalitic convertor?

(these have a reducing catalist and a oxydizing catalist. these devices 
get honorable mention in the "Pile do-dad on top of gadget in a atempt 
to make a poorly concieved idea to work" method of emission controls)

  On these cars the air pump pumps air into the head (air tubes) during 
warm-up and into the converor during warm running. During warm-up the 
oxy sensor is in open loop and not operating (so it isn't reading the extra 
air in the exhaust) when the engine is warm the oxy sensor comes on line 
and the air pump pumps air into the convertor. If the pump doesn't switch 
over, the oxy sensor sensor tells the ECM that the engine is lean, when is 
isn't, now the M/C solenoid (remember the M/C solenoid?) enriches the 
mixture. This extra rich exhaust can coat the oxy sensor and cause it to fail.

so, check the oxy sensor and if it is crudded up look at the air pump.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:34:58 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

Surprisingly I have never had trouble with Chevy cars and trucks for the
most part. I had an 85 S-10 Blazer that was a nothing but junk...always
broke down. Now I can walk through my junkyard and without a doubt there are
more dead Oldsmobiles there than any GM make.

Jason Labay (jlabay@neo.rr.com) Akron, OH
98 C2500...daily driver
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car
72 Cutlass Supreme..bowtie powered! 10.88 @ 126
88 GTA...LS1 powered




>I have a Chevy, and I hate it. Been in the shop for more warrantee work
than
>ANYTHING I've ever owned.
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:22:50 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Why do you hate "C" cars?

>Now I can walk through my junkyard and without a doubt there are
>more dead Oldsmobiles there than any GM make.


I experienced this at a junkyard near my house too.  Most cars here are dead
Oldsmobiles (and other G-bodies) with Chevy motors.  I have difficult time
finding some Olds parts.  I figure, most people like the Olds
styling/reputation, however they were unfortunate enough to get a 4.4L or 5L
Chevy motor (Canada).  Knew and know a few people that had
Cutlasses/M.Carols/Impalas, etc., with Chevy engines (most 305s).  They all
seam to say that they were happy for the most part, but that after about
140,000 miles their SB Chevys bit the dust.  Hmm.  My '81 Regency's 307 with
over 160,000 miles seems to have just broken in.
I would not mind a good, new Chevy engine.  But since I deal with used stuff
mostly (except for my 455), I like to stay Olds.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:27:44 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Front end rebuild/ springs/ weight

Can the swap change alignment?

Definitely.  When I put a 455 in my '81 Delta (replaced the 307), the
steering on the car is way to the right.  I did not get a chance to go to
the alignment shop, but will soon.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:33:55 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Igor 20

>The timing chain went on the 307, so I put in a 455!
>
>Now that's the kind of logic that we should all follow!
>
>Maybe the next time I have to add ATF, I'll just bolt in a six speed.

I just wanted power.  It cost almost the same, so why not.  It takes a lot
to get a big Delta to move.  307 is a great motor, I loved the one in the
Delta and I love the one in my Regency.  However, it just was too small for
a BIG PORKY 88.  How many people around have a nicely painted, dual exhaust,
455 powered '81 Delta.  Totally original car.  If I picked a Cutlass, I may
have been faster and all that, but not nearly as original.  I like
Cutlasses, but too many around here.  I just wanted a unique car.  Plus, the
Delta 88 was the car I learned to drive on and the favorite car I have ever
owned (including all the ones my dad owned.  It is even his favorite car.)
and I HAD it.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 Regency (307/2004r/propane)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:25:10 +0200
From: "Jaak Ruusmaa" <jaak@anet.ee>
Subject: info wanted on 307

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE16ED.13D8FB40
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello !

I have a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 1978 with 260cid+TH200, but at the =
back of the trunk there is a mark of 4,9L. So I am wondering is it =
possible, because I have not found anything about 4,9L engine on 78 year =
Cutlass.
Could anybody tell me if there were any Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme made =
with 307 cid engine between 1978-1980. Tail lights have rocket marks.

Thanks for any information!

jaak@anet.ee


- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE16ED.13D8FB40
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>

<META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hello !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I have a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme =
1978 with=20
260cid+TH200, but at the back of the trunk there is a mark of 4,9L. So I =
am=20
wondering is it possible, because I have not found anything about 4,9L =
engine on=20
78 year Cutlass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Could anybody tell me if there were =
any=20
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme made with 307 cid engine between 1978-1980. =
Tail=20
lights have rocket marks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for any information!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A =
href=3D"mailto:jaak@anet.ee">jaak@anet.ee</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE16ED.13D8FB40--

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:56:15 -0600
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: Speedo gear changes

Joe, Randy you are correct. My indicated speed is higher than I'm
moving. I was thinking that but it came out wrong--- that's what happens
when you get interrupted by a bunch of phone calls here at work. Thanks
for straightening things out.

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:25:43 -0500
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: Bye.

Geeez... 

And I thought everyone here over 18 was an adult...

I don't think just because someone likes other brands, including myself,
that list members should ridicule or otherwise talk down to people such
as Dave because he likes another GM brand. To say that all other cars
are inferior to the Olds is bunk, when the Olds sits on the same chassis
as the other GM cars. 

C'mon guys, let's be realistic. Of the 4, Chevy, Olds, Pontiac & Buick,
they all have their faults and they all have their strengths. It's a
personal preference to favor one car over another. 

To trash someone because he asked a simple question, and to not be adult
about that person's question brings up a maturity issue with some of
you. The guy's 15 years old for crying out loud, and he sounds more
together than some of the list members who are a bit older than he is. 

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate your behavior before you comment on
someone like our new buddy Dave. 

Jim...
'83 Olds powered CHEVY Wagon
'65 BUICK Skylark

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:43:11 -0600
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: small block Olds oil fill tube

Last time I removed an oil fill tube (from a 403 but same as 350 and
455), I used a big rubber mallet and tapped the upper area of the tube
on opposite sides repeatedly with an upward swing. This eventually
loosened the pressed in tube a little bit at a time until it wiggled out
with no damage.  

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:57:09 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Repro Batteries?

It is battery time for the Olds again and I am thinking about getting one of
the "correct style" reproduction batteries.
First question:  Has anyone had any experience with these, good or bad?
Second question:  When did the side terminal batteries come into use?  I know
it was in the early 70's, but how early?
I would prefer to run a side terminal because you don't have the corrosion
trouble like a top post.  I would also have to switch cables for a top post as
I have been using side terminal batteries since '84.

TIA
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:11:48 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Repro Batteries?

> It is battery time for the Olds again and I am thinking about getting one of
> the "correct style" reproduction batteries.
> First question:  Has anyone had any experience with these, good or bad?
> Second question:  When did the side terminal batteries come into use?  I know
> it was in the early 70's, but how early?
> I would prefer to run a side terminal because you don't have the corrosion
> trouble like a top post.  I would also have to switch cables for a top post 
as
> I have been using side terminal batteries since '84.

Dave, 

I can only say that I think it is kinda funny to go for a battery like 
that except you really have show plans. Can't tell you anything about the 
performance though. Top posts are not bad at all if you put a layer of 
grease on the connectors and posts... but that may screw up the nice 
looks... well, Good Luck!  Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:16:17 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: SOM the legendary wreck continues...

Had a discussion the other day about different means (proper and haphazard) of
creating an Anti-Spin diff. (ICQ)
Again, the stamping found on the axle was QC, which should be a 2.93:1 open
diff.

More than pleased to discover that turning anything in any direction turns
everything.
Plus the openings in the diff case are fairly large.

In any event, will take it to my mechs for inspection before any money is
spent on cosmetics.

And Karl believes that needle and seat probs are now a thing of the past (and
future).
Rebuilt the 2GC for second time in two years (last was two years ago next
weekend).
New needle seat looked different, but fit.
Somehow Karl lost the unloader rod, but replaced it, thanks to George's cast-
off.
Would have replaced carb top section, but have no way to adapt the proper
inlet to SOM's 3/8" hose fittings at present, so re-used old top, but made
some float adjustments.
That turned out to be bad.

The real problem with working on 2G carbs is that the two front bolts are
wrench-intensive as you can only turn each about 1/6 of a full turn before
wrench must be repositioned.

Got the carb on, then realized that the throttle body was loose on the main
body.

DOH!    (three screws from underneath the throttle body)

So off it comes.

Back on the ramshackle carb stand, one of the three bolts not even on!
So on it goes (all other bolts checked).

Next day.
Carb on.
Starts, dies, expected that, though put gas in carb via bowl vent.
Starts runs but rough, and only when throttle open, no idle, and vent shoots
gas at the voltage regulator on the firewall!

Ooops!

So, some fiddling with the idle and several similar starts with fuel flying,
Karl stops trying.

A little ICQ-ing and a virtual slap from drc later, Karl pulls the carb top
off on the car and bends the float bowl so will not raise as high.

Then it works.
A little time spent trying to get the choke and idle screw settings right, but
that will be ongoing with adjustment to the throttle stop as Karl prefers a
strong, slow idle.

Little done to axle as Karl believed actually driving to work was a priority.

Onwards.

SOM
&KA

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:30:24 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Repro Batteries?

>Second question:  When did the side terminal batteries come into >use?

Dave ,

They started using side terminals in '72.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:43:01 -0500
From: mblanken@medaphis.com (Mike Blankenship)
Subject: Repro Batteries?

I am fairly sure that 72 was the first year for side-post battery.  My 72 
service manual shows side-post but the 71 does not.  I bought a reproduction
for my W30.  I have been using it as a "show" Battery. The batterys are sold
dry.  I left mine that way and swap it out at show.  Kind of a pain sometimes.

Mike Blankenship
70 442 W30
70 GTO Judge RAIV
(2)71 442 Convt's
71 Cutlass S
87 Cutlass Salon
95 Corvette

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:44:27 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bondo:Friend or Foe?

> I took my 72 442 down to bear metal. There are some dings in the metal and
> we used a little bondo to fill those areas. The guy doing my car is very
> good and he stated that every car out there has bondo on it. Whether or not
> it is new or a show car, he said that every car has bondo in it. Bondo is
> not a bad thing. As long as the prep is done right and there isn't 3 inches
> of it in one spot it will look and work fine. Even a factory stamped
> sheetmetal will have some type of flaw which needs to be filled in order
> for it to be straight. What do you guys think????

I think you are right, except that maybe not three inches is the limit 
:-), would go in the direction of 1/8 or 1/4 inch at most. There are real 
bondo artists out there and as long as nobody sells you a bondo car as 
all metal it is fine.

George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:53:41 -0500
From: Bob Dale <bctad5@toolcity.net>
Subject: Newbe

Holiday Greetings Everyone,
  Let`s try this again with the correct email address.
I`ve been on this list just over a week now and would like to say how
pleased I am with the service and folks involved.
  Ya see I just bought my first Olds and have been diggin up info to
help me make decisions on future improvements a may want to make.
Suggestions and considerations are welcomeas apparently there are alot
of folks here who`ve alredy forgotten more about Olds than I may ever
know.
   It`s a 69Cutlass S, 455/400, 10bolt posi 3:36. Engine rebuilt 78k
ago. Includes 10:25 pistons, Shaved E-heads, Crane 234/518@exaust,Torker
II, 650 Holley spreadboreand HEI/supercoil. Has stock dual exaust
maifolds, timing chain&gear, oil pump&pan and converter. Shiftkit in
400. Cooper Cobra 245/70X14s on SSIIs.
   I also grewup in the sixties and was`nt able to buy as much muscle as
I would have liked and now that our kids are growin up and movin on, my
wife and I bought this Olds for show and go.
   The car seems to run quite well as is except for not hookin up the
14s well. Traction and wheelhop are two areas I could use some advice
for sure.
   Some additional changes I had in mind are 750 DP, E-Performer, Hooker
Super Comps and port&polish present Eheads or a recently scrounged set
of Cs.
   May want to run local 1/4 mi. strip for fun but this would`nt be the
norm. Want to be able to do 200-300mi. trips so would like to stay with
present gear ratio.
   Cosmetics of car fine for now. Thanks, B.D.

 Bob
 69 Cutlass
 75 Malibu Classic

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:03:05 EST
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: subscribe digest

subscribe oldsmobile-digest

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:02:34 EST
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe oldsmobile

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:06:11 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Doug? Don't go!

Before anything else is said, my apologies to Greg B. and the digest redership
(and lets not forget those wading through the archives!) for this unfortunate
thread.

And Doug? Please bear with me here....

So, Karl does a decent night's work, and comes home to an anti-Ch*tty list.
And aparently, it was sparked by Karl.
(Who normally does not mind "sparking")

<< Karl does crave your indulgence as he prefers to refer to that division of
GM
as Ch*tty.
Not "flaming" any person or car, just a small source of personal amusement. >>

As of this writing, Doug Pack is not a subscriber to the real-time Oldsmobile
list.

Shame on us!
Especially Karl!

Karl only wanted to make clear ahead of time that no ill will was intended!

The REAL issue about discussion of other car makes on the Oldsmobile list is
one of bandwidth, or, to continue the analogy, the signal-to-noise ratio.

As this is an Oldsmobile Email list server, as such, we (meaning Greg, the
Administrator) try to cut down on "noise" such as discussions concerning other
makes especially when such has no relationship to Oldsmobilia.

For example, a discussion that went from the 403 into rampant Trans Am talk
was quashed a scant two months ago or so. By Admin, and others who tired of
it.

By and large the Oldmobile Email server has become a formidable base of
knowledge of Oldsmobilia, one that has helped me greatly, and to which I
(ooops! I mean Karl) gladly contributes when he is able. Because Karl knew
diddley-squat (though he DOES know diddley) about Oldsmobiles a scant...has it
been three years or more?

In short, Doug, forgive us our Oldsmo-centricity.
Yes, we can teach you how to properly ID a fake 4 4 2 W-30.
Yes, we can help you with Rochester Carburetor problems (GM).
Yes, we are here to discuss Oldsmobiles.
And of course there are always the renegades who flame some, but generally we
are a good group of people!

And after all, after a good day, we all wash the same kind of grease off of
our hands.

A fellow gearhead.

Karl

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:08:54 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: what one to buy???

hey guys and gals, i fond 2 olds engines for sale for $200 each.
but i dont know wich one to get? one is a 67 442 400 with a steel crank 
minus the heads.or a 75 442 350 complete with steel crank and high 
performance parts.know is a 67 400 worth buying heads for? 
or would it be just as good to go with the complete 350?


Thanks
      Ryan.


  My  -------   -------
            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:37:28 -0500
From: "Lyndon Briggs" <L-LBriggs4@email.msn.com>
Subject: Request help for My Olds' History

Can anyone help me find manufacturing history & stats on my Olds? I have the
history of the car from the time it was purchased from "Arrow Oldsmobile" in
Milwaukee, Wi. My mother purchased this '79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham from
them. The car was originally ordered to be a "Demo", but when she saw the
vehicle she fell in love with it and had to have it!

    Now, 20 yrs., and 113K miles later, she has given it to me for my 37th
birthday. I know the car was always very special to her and she babied it
even more than me! :>) I know the dealership ordered it with special options
because it was to be a demo, and I have yet to see another with all the same
options. I was wondering how many like it were manufactured. Except for
things like tires, battery, etc. this car is still original. It is still in
great shape and I'm doing my best to keep it that way. The only thing added
to the vehicle was window tinting to protect the black volure interior w/
white pinstripes from the hot Arizona sun when she lived there. It also has
a stanless steel "Landaue" top, which seems to be a rare option. The other
thing I don't understand is the short VIN with a * in front of it. This car
was always stored in the winter, and now that I live in Daytona Beach, FL, I
guess it will never see snow!

    I would be more than happy to e-mail pictures and VIN to anyone that can
help me find the manufacturing stats and history on this "Black Beauty".

                                                                    L. R.
Briggs

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:45:38 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pics of my 80 Olds 442

Nice looking car.  What size engine does it have.


>Over the past year or so I have had requests to see some pictures of my 
80
>Olds 442 W-30.  I finally got most of my pictures scanned in. I know 
the
>quality isn't great and I just currently have then in index form.  I am
>still learning the webpage building thing.  This is the car I am trying 
to
>get rid of :-) 



______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:48:29 -0500
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: 455 Buildup

Igor,
	I have never ported and/or polished but willing to try(I now of at 
least
two people who have and can assist.)  I would like a larger cam along with
torque converter but really want to leave the rear alone.  Looking more
toward passing power, not off the line power.  How long to the stock valve
springs hold up?  I am also looking to retain the exhaust manifolds.  Am I
making this hard enough?  Still want quiet mufflers, remember wife and kids
will spend time with me in this car.  Got the Chevy for shear volume!

Jim Brady

>
>I run J heads.  All you have to do is port & polish the exhaust runners and
>open up the exhaust valve a bit.  Yes they have hardened seats.  As far as
>stock valvetrain, many people recommend no more then .500 lift cams.  I have
>the 204/214 @.050, .448/.472 cam in my 455 (lunati, Edelbrock, GK., generic
>grind).  I would recommend this cam if you are going with stock torque
>converter and stock rear gears (2.56).  If I were you though, get the one
>size up cam (214/224 @ .050, .472/.496 lift), get a 12-inch converter
>(cheap) and a set of 3.08s or 3.23s.  Also, make sure you run HEADERS.
>Them, combined with full-length Dynomax SuperTurbo mufflers will make the
>car pretty quiet.  I know you want quiet, but some rumble is nice.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>
>1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)
>

1973 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:54:14 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: car wont turn off

My 72 did this once, I changed a fusible link on the firewall and it 
fixed it.  It might also be the ignition switch located near the middle 
of the column.


>Hi, I'm kind've a newby on this list.. though I have been on before and 
you've
>all been very helpful..Anyway, I've got a bit of a problem. About a 
month ago
>my timing chain on my 73 Cutlass Supreme fell off the cam gear on the 
highway
>due to fairly extreme wear on the gear.  I replaced the chain and 
gears,
>though i haven't gotten the car started yet, it's flooded right now.  
Anyway,
>after deciding to let the car sit overnight to clear itself out, I 
noticed
>that the gen light in the gauge cluster didn't go out after I took the 
key out
>of the ignition.  Anyone have any ideas why this would be?  
>There are a couple of things that I think it might be.  One, the column 
might
>have a short in it as it will only start with the column in certain 
positions.
>Two, there might've been mice in the car ( we caught some in the 
garage.)
>Three, the positive battery cable was loose when we tried to start the 
car and
>was hot when we got too it.  
>Anyway, thanks for the help.
>
>DrkSole98@aol.com 
>73 Cutlass Supreme 


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:13:10 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Newbe

Bob Dale wrote:
> 
> Holiday Greetings Everyone,
>   Let`s try this again with the correct email address.
> I`ve been on this list just over a week now and would like to say how
> pleased I am with the service and folks involved.

Well thank you, Bob. We try hard to make everyone on this list feel
welcome, except for that last guy with the N*va. Seems he didn't like
the Ch*vy jokes.


>    It`s a 69Cutlass S, 455/400, 10bolt posi 3:36. Engine rebuilt 78k
> ago. Includes 10:25 pistons, Shaved E-heads, Crane 234/518@exaust,Torker
> II, 650 Holley spreadboreand HEI/supercoil. Has stock dual exaust
> maifolds, timing chain&gear, oil pump&pan and converter. Shiftkit in
> 400. Cooper Cobra 245/70X14s on SSIIs.

Wow. Very nice. You're definately one of us.

>    I also grewup in the sixties and was`nt able to buy as much muscle as
> I would have liked and now that our kids are growin up and movin on, my
> wife and I bought this Olds for show and go.
>    The car seems to run quite well as is except for not hookin up the
> 14s well. Traction and wheelhop are two areas I could use some advice
> for sure.

My advise is that you store those SSII's somewhere and buy a cheaper,
yet decent looking set of 15" wheels. American Racing has some good
ones. Then, if you have the money and the Cutlass isn't really a daily
driver, i'd suggest some Mikey Thompson drag radials. If you don't want
to go that expensive, try some BFG Radial T/As. Some 255/60s should do
the trick. Possibly a set of ladder bars would do you well also.

>    Some additional changes I had in mind are 750 DP, E-Performer, Hooker
> Super Comps and port&polish present Eheads or a recently scrounged set
> of Cs.

From what i've heard on this fine list, the C's are the best stock head
you can have. Pouring money into those would be a decent investment.


- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:15:42 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: what one to buy???

Ryan D wrote:
> 
> hey guys and gals, i fond 2 olds engines for sale for $200 each.
> but i dont know wich one to get? one is a 67 442 400 with a steel crank
> minus the heads.or a 75 442 350 complete with steel crank and high
> performance parts.know is a 67 400 worth buying heads for?
> or would it be just as good to go with the complete 350?

I would say it depends on which heads are on the 350. If they're #8's
and it's a hi-po engine, I would be slightly tempted towards buying the
400. But, of course, it's your choice.

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #1619
*********************************

