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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, January 4 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1699



delta panels
Speed
Snow
RE: Speed/Pennsylvania
Dual Exhaust
Re: temp guage selection
KARL! : ) Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Christmas Present
Automatic transmission bands
Re: Christmas Present
1955 Olds
Re: page
Re: ID-ing a 442
Re: RE weather
Re: ID-ing a 442
Re:  Speaking of high speed
re:  My New Carb
RE: check this out!
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: parts for sale
RE: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: ID-ing a 442
Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi trivia)
RE: Dual Exhaust
RE: Dual Exhaust
Re: Automatic transmission bands
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
RE: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?
Re: Need help with piston rings
RE: Dual Exhaust
Re: ID-ing a 442
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Automatic trans. Converter instal
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Automatic trans. Converter instal
Re: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather
seat cover info. needed/and vendor
Re: Dual Exhaust
Dual Exhaust
RE: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather
RE: Automatic trans. Converter instal
RE: seat cover info. needed/and vendor
1961 olds dynamic 88 (394)
455 Engine (fwd)
RE: Dual Exhaust
Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump
Re: Speaking of high speed
MC leak revisited
Re: Dual Exhaust
RE: MC leak revisited

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:37:52 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: delta panels

well it looks like i cannot sell my delta, and my financial crisis is almost
at an end. so now im looking to you guys t osee if you can point me in the
direction of some repro body panels or nos panels for a lumbering delta. i
know its slim, but i gotta ask! thanks again.

Erik Gertsen

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:03:58 -0600
From: "Joe Centanni" <jacentan@crown.icongrp.com>
Subject: Speed

Damn
! Talking about how fast they go and I missed it!
My 87 442 in all stock condition w/ a good suspension pegged the speedo  @
120 at 4500rpm on the tach and was still going when i let off and it didn't
exhibit any float so I know one can go at least that fast......later I did
the PST polyuretahne kit and Eibach springs and have cruised at 100+ rock
solid I dont do this because those wonderful(expensive) rally rims are bent
to $%^$&! GTA rims here I come.Havent done a top end blast since my ram
air, Hooker exhaust and MSD6 box , and Taylor wires but I"m hoping rather
optimistically to get 130mph......And yes I know its not the smartest thing
to do in the world but people will still do it no matter what and I"ll
agree its assinine but I'll admit to it!
		There has to be a way to make an Olds 350 get my car into the 
13's
emissions legal after all everyone here rips on the bowtie brigade and they
can but a HO 350 thats smog leagl in up to 87 Camarslows and do it lets
make this the challenge to see if it can be done. Can it?

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:06:28 -0600
From: "Joe Centanni" <jacentan@crown.icongrp.com>
Subject: Snow

As i forgot to m,ention before NW Indiana has officially had one foot eight
inches of snow and I"m pleasantly in the middle of it.
Parked the beast for 2 days but ventured out t-nite and did just fine
					Later
					Jeremy 87 442

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:30:31 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Speed/Pennsylvania

- -----Original Message-----
		There has to be a way to make an Olds 350 get my car into the 
13's
emissions legal after all everyone here rips on the bowtie brigade and they
can but a HO 350 thats smog leagl in up to 87 Camarslows and do it lets
make this the challenge to see if it can be done. Can it?

Joe man,
The best way to get through the emissions crap, is to find a way to make
your car exempt.  How this can be done varies by state of course, but there
probably is a way there.

I've heard of a new thing in PA where you can register your car as modified
or something if you have swapped in a different engine.  And this can be
done for any year car.  Don't know about this though.  Keystoners?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:39:34 -0600
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
Subject: Dual Exhaust

I recently had a problem with my exhaust system (the manifold bolts
rusted out) and had it tightened up.  When I did, I lost so much power,
my car would almost stall on take-off.  The pipe had to be loosened just
for me to go with any "get-up-and-go".  Last week I took Melissa (my
car) to MIDAS and had them fix the problem.

  My exhaust system was plugged. Why?  My converter was too small (only
2 years old).  They replaced it with a high-flow converter and fixed my
manifold bracket and bolts (not cheap either).

  So, what about dual exhaust?  Well, I asked them if I could install a
dual exhaust on my 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale.  They said it would
be a pain.  Not  only that, but I still had to have one converter.  They

said I cannot have two converters on a dual exhaust.  If the entire
system still has two go through one converter, then there would be no
advantage for two exhausts.  

  If a car starts with one converter, is it legal to run a dual exhaust
with two?  They said a car that starts with one converter must always
have one converter.  Any answers?

Mark MacDonald
1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Conv. "Melissa"
<http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:09:17 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: temp guage selection

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Reilly <wjreilly@erols.com>


>Background, if you're unfamiliar with my project:  a 1985 307 to 1970 Toro
>455 swap, and I'm keeping the computer control system in the '85.
>
>My 307 had three ports with sensors in the intake manifold.  1 port for EFE
>control, one for temp guage, and one for something else.
>What's that third one for?

ECM's coolant temp sensor.

> Is it important?

Uh huh, very.

> I can't find reference to it in
>my Service manual.


Figure 6, pg 6E1-12 of the 85 chassis manual.


>Second:  the 455 has only 2 ports (which is no problem since I'm dropping
>the EFE), but they are diferent in size compared to the 307, so I can't
swap
>the 307 sending units into the 455.

Adapt threads with brass or steel pipe fittings, as others will no doubt
suggest.

> Will the units from the 455 work with
>and connect up to my electrical system?

Nope.

>That third sensor in my 307 intake,
>is that similar to what would be in the second port of the 455 intake.

Seems that you need 2 coolant sensors, one for the gage & one for the ECM.
If both ports on your manifold are coolant passages you're all set.

>Thanks in advance,
>Bill Reilly


You betcha.

drc

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 03:19:17 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: KARL! : ) Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/3/99 11:37:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
greenmm@earthlink.net writes:

<<  If a car starts with one converter, is it legal to run a dual exhaust
 with two?  They said a car that starts with one converter must always
 have one converter.  Any answers? >>

     I'll let Karl answer this one for ya..he has the goods on this : )
Dorian

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:36:35 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Christmas Present

>Hmmm, maybe I
>should let "Brian A." install them........HA HA...........I don't have a few
>months for that...........just joking of course.  That is for the "install a
>455 in place of a V6" flame a little while ago.  Merry Christmas to
>everyone.  Igor.

My e-mail program has been on the fritz, I have been having mental,
nervous, emotional, and seasonal breakdowns, and spent the greater part of
the holiday break in a drunken stupor, so I have ample excuse for my late
reply to this blatant flame.

I laughed, and said, out loud, "That is SO harsh".

Tsk tsk, Mr. Igor, using the word "flame" so inappropriately!  I make a
simple, loving comment, all in the name of comraderie and good cheer, and
you bring it up as an excuse for dredging up my ill-fated soiree into valve
cover removal and installation.  I freely admit that I REALLY screwed this
up, but I WOULD like to point out that I WAS trying, and WAS asking for
help, and will NEVER have this problem again (after having done it three
times on the same side).

Perhaps what I should have said was, "Igor would tell you that the absolute
quickest and most efficient solution to this problem is to pull the motor
and drop a 455 in there", but I didn't.  Oh well.

Incidentally, Igor, I saw an ad for a 1980 Delta that advertised a console
shifter (part of a limited production of some sort), and thought of
you...E-mail me if you would like me to see if I can find the ad and call
the guy.

Just returned from my Worldwide Texas Tour...me and a buddy took the Delta
from Houston to Dallas, where she successfully transported us to Deep Ellum
on New Year's Eve, then to the Cotten Bowl at 10 o'clock in the F#*KING
MORNING on New Year's Day, then to Austin so my buddy could get to work the
next day (even though he slept right through it), and finally me home to
Houston today.  I have decided that the official name of this car will be
"Party Barge", because although I will do my best to keep her up, and love
her like the great transpo she is, she will always be the "We're rolling
tonight with seven people in the car, and do what you want whenever" type
of transportation, and not the "Don't you DARE smoke that in my car!" type.

- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 03:35:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Automatic transmission bands

     Can anyone tell me in plain English what the band(s) in a TH350/400 do?
Are they mostly for compression braking? I'm pretty sure they are applied only
in 1st and 2nd gear, but really am not sure exactly what for.  Dorian

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 01:44:16 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Christmas Present

>Tsk tsk, Mr. Igor, using the word "flame" so inappropriately!  I make a
>simple, loving comment, all in the name of comraderie and good cheer, and
>you bring it up as an excuse for dredging up my ill-fated soiree into valve
>cover removal and installation.  I freely admit that I REALLY screwed this
>up, but I WOULD like to point out that I WAS trying, and WAS asking for
>help, and will NEVER have this problem again (after having done it three
>times on the same side).
>
>Perhaps what I should have said was, "Igor would tell you that the absolute
>quickest and most efficient solution to this problem is to pull the motor
>and drop a 455 in there", but I didn't.  Oh well.


All in good humor of course.

>Incidentally, Igor, I saw an ad for a 1980 Delta that advertised a console
>shifter (part of a limited production of some sort), and thought of
>you...E-mail me if you would like me to see if I can find the ad and call
>the guy.


I believe that this is a Holiday coupe or something to that effect.  I have
seen a couple around here in Alberta that were two door and had the console,
buckets and a different steering wheel.  I am going to get some import car
buckets and adopt them to my Delta (for weight loss purpose and cornering
support).  Also, I am thinking of B&M shifter but no console (due to
unnecessary weight on a already heavy ass car).

>Just returned from my Worldwide Texas Tour...me and a buddy took the Delta
>from Houston to Dallas, where she successfully transported us to Deep Ellum
>on New Year's Eve, then to the Cotten Bowl at 10 o'clock in the F#*KING
>MORNING on New Year's Day, then to Austin so my buddy could get to work the
>next day (even though he slept right through it), and finally me home to
>Houston today.  I have decided that the official name of this car will be
>"Party Barge", because although I will do my best to keep her up, and love
>her like the great transpo she is, she will always be the "We're rolling
>tonight with seven people in the car, and do what you want whenever" type
>of transportation, and not the "Don't you DARE smoke that in my car!" type.


Been there, done that.  My '81 Regency carried me to British Columbia this
year twice in a row with no problem, adding more then 1600 mile to the
odometer.  Propane made this trip nearly free.  With the Delta and the old
307 the most I ever did in one shot was from Calgary, Alberta to Victoria
(Vancouver island), throughout the interior of BC and back with my
girlfriend in the summer of '97.  I put more then 2800 miles on and never
even checked the oil.  Car ran great with many 100 MPH + burst of speed and
80 MPH avg. cruise.  I got exactly 22 MPG regardless of speed, hills,
regular or premium fuel.  It was so loaded that I could not see out of the
rear view mirror the entire trip.  Now with the 455 though, it will be like:
"okay, lets go but everyone pitch in $100 per day in gas money".   Sure as
hell beats my friends Toyota Corolla.  After a freaking 3 hour trip with 4
people in the car I felt like a hunchback of Nortredam when I got out of
that car.  And also, with the first sign of a hill he had to go to 3rd and
ear-bleeding, popcorn machine sounding like RPMs to keep a LOUSY 55 MPH.  I
HATE Corollas.

Hey, I am getting my car back from the bodyshop tomorrow (finally) and will
be posting pics soon for everyone to see.  Maybe in three/four days or so.

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 03:43:13 -0600
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1955 Olds

Does anyone have any info and/or pics of the 1955 Oldsmobile Delta 88
2-Door Hardtop Coupe?  I believe it was a concept car.
 
 Thanks

Mark MacDonald
1975 Olds Delta 88
<http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 05:39:49 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: page

Thanks a million . All I had was an old #.
Roger

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:19:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ID-ing a 442

The only 4-4-2s with split headlights were '67 and '68. If it has
"Oldsmobile" writing on the grille it can't be a '68. So I'd guess a '67. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:20:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: RE weather

On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Lou Biggs wrote:
> PS What weight of oil do you use in wintertime? (OLDS content), seriously.

Since normally it doesn't get all that cold here I stick with 10W-30. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:49:11 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: ID-ing a 442

List,
        My vote is for a 67' Cutlass Supreme.
The headlight surrounds and center running
lights are a dead give away. The Cutlass
Supreme drop tops had a C/S fender script
that could have been replaced with the 442
badges....Hmmmm    "we  don't need no
steenking badges !!!!!!!     :o{)}

The General

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:00:08 EST
From: CS81w350@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Speaking of high speed

- --------------------
Relative to the
ground surface, with a car going 60 mph, what speed is the tire moving at
various points of the tread? (i.e., top, bottom, front, and rear)

The bottom is stationary to the road.  Logical, cuz if it was moving, it'd be
burning out...  It's relative speed would be zero. 

Front and back?  They're moving just as fast as the vehicle, which is 60 miles
per hour. 

Top?  Here's where things get messy.  In order for the tread to get around to
the ground again, it has to speed up.  At the top of the tread, that rubber is
going 120 mph, 2x the speed of the vehicle.  Only to slow down in front, in
time
to stop when it hits the ground.
- ---------------------

This is really just a trick of physics.  yes, it is true relative to the
ground, but it is not what the tire is actually experiencing.  If you put the
rear end up on jack stands and  spin the tires up to 60mph on the speedometer,
the tires are under the same forces as if they were going down the road, only
without the ground contact.  In this situation the tread of the tire at every
location is going 60mph, just in different directions.  
Now just imagine how fast the tire is going in relation to Halley's comet.  We
are talking thousands of mph, and that is with the car parked.
I'm not trying to step on anyones toes here.  I just don't want anyone to be
awake tonight worrying about the abuse that they must be inflicting on their
tires just driving to work in the morning.


- -----------------
BTW, this whole scenario can be taken respective to the vehicle, too, at which
the top would only be running 60 mph, sides, zero, and bottom, ~minus~ 60 mph.
Both perspectives will yield the same pressures on the tire, and allow similar
arguements.
- -----------------


Actually mathamatically this is the same as the senario that I proposed.  If
you use all of the dimentions, I believe you will find that the sides are also
at 60mph.  The front is going down and the back is going up.  Although, as I
think about it some more (ouch that hurts) I'll bet that you could set the
problem up mathematically to get the answers you got.  So, your answer isn't
wrong. You just weren't using all of the 4 dimentions to get your answer.

That's enough, its time for Matt to go to bed.

Matt Pokorny
cs81w350@aol.com
Ames, Iowa

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:14:50 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: re:  My New Carb

Is it the Hot Idle Compensator?  It is the little valve in the back of the
carb.

Find someone who has a copy of Pete McCarthy's book on Pontiacs.  It has
most of the performance Pontiac carbs.  

The hot idle compensator worked to do some float bowl venting at idle to
prevent idle changed do to pressure in the float bowl rising.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 06:38:09 -0800
From: "Gary Andresen (At Home - Personal e-mail address)" <gandresen@home.com>
Subject: RE: check this out!

Fantastic!!

Thanks. 

Gary Andresen

'55 Old 88 2-door Hardtop
with 455 Olds and T400
http://www.442.com/andresen.html


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Brian Shankle
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 11:19 AM
To: oldsg_body@listbot.com; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: check this out!


Hey guys and gals,

A friend and I ran across this the other night.  Everyone should check
this out, as it may just be the most useful automotive site on the web!

http://sura1.jlab.org/~bowling/auto_f.html

In the first part of the URL that is sura_1_ (one) not sura_l_ (the
letter L)..I know that confused me at first since on most computers they
look the same.

Take care,
Brian.

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:48:40 -0500
From: "jackkopf" <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Mark
  Most cars sold in the last few years with a duel exhaust
option were actually
not true duels. One cat two mufflers. This is done for two
reasons .

1) Cost
2)More air across the cat in less time = shorter light off
thus the
cat is working sooner. Two cats means 1/2 the air per cat.
Thus
a longer time before the unit is functional.

There are exceptions on the high performance end of the
market
vette,camaro,firebird,etc,

Jack
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 4, 1999 2:37 AM
Subject: Dual Exhaust



>Mark MacDonald
>1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Conv. "Melissa"
><http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:43:01 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Olds, of course.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Are these sb Chevy or sb olds or sb ?  I need some of this stuff

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
>To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 2:23 PM
>Subject: parts for sale
>
>
>>Lunati cam and lifters - Bracketmaster II, .496/.520 lift, 224/234
duration
>>@.050 lift: $60, only break-in time on this cam.
>>Holley carbs - #3310 (750 vac. sec):$120 and #4780 (800 dp):$150 both
>>rebuilt and in excellent condition, never had gasoline in them since
>>rebuild.
>>Early 80's 442 leather-wrapped steering wheel with center cap, excellent
>>condition: $45.
>>Holley street dominator intake for small block, excellent condition: $125.
>>Edelbrock Performer for small block, excellent condition: $125.
>>Hurst AutoStick 3 shifter, new in box $100.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:48:24 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

> There are exceptions on the high performance end of the
> market
> vette,camaro,firebird,etc,
> 
Are the f-bodies true dual exhaust?  I thought they were a Y pipe that then
went into two mufflers.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:49:20 EST
From: Sx455@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

you cannot alter the exhaust from the converter forward!!!!!!!!!!!! this is a
federal law not a state law! from the converter back you can do anything ,even
remove the mufflers ,but if you mess with the converter the federal guys get
upset! believe me,i know ,i own a auto repair shop and a exhaust shop!! i have
to account for every cat. converter that passes through my hands with
documentation and save the old part ,its quite a hassle!!!!  with the new
odbii control systems weve had to have the processors "flashed" or reprogamed
after installing high flow mufflers etc. rick sx455

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:11:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: ID-ing a 442

J & J, 
Sounds like mine, parking lights between the headlights, chrome surround,
need a picture to me sure
Lou
- ----------
> From: Jim or Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ID-ing a 442
> Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 9:49 PM
> 
> Dave
> 
>         It sounds like a 67 442 if there is chrome around the headlights.
The
> 68's had the turn signal in between the headlights but had a plastic
surround.
> 
> Jim Chermack
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:21:01 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?

>So, I'm reading through my 1985 Olds Service manual and there was this
>caption under a diagram that caught my attention.
>
>On Page 6D-10 Engine Electrical
>Fig. 9 Battery cables- B series, Vin 9, N & Y
>
>We all know that engine combo wasn't available in that Olds.  So that's an
>interesting typo.  Almost didn't even notice it.
>
>Bill Reilly
>mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
>Web Page: (Not yet)
>
>My Garage:
>'83 Cutlass Ciera
>'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>'85 Cutlass Supreme


Bill--

The VIN code 9 307 was available in full size Caddys. Actually they are
quite common in the '87 to '90 Fleetwood RWD cars.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 422 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:29:14 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Mark, 
75 CS has that setup, one converter, dual exhausts, muffler shop guys are
friends, said it would pass in Illinois. No dual converters though, has to
do with volume, exhaust temp and etc. Was a long post on this subject about
two months ago, some real good input. 
Lou
- ----------
> From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Dual Exhaust
> Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:39 AM
(snip) 
>   If a car starts with one converter, is it legal to run a dual exhaust
> with two?  They said a car that starts with one converter must always
> have one converter.  Any answers?
> 
> Mark MacDonald

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:36:01 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Chris,
My 76 TA 400, Ram Air, had one converter, two pipes, two mufflers and two
resonators behind all that, OEM.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Semantana Chris (ONEX) <SemantanaC@tce.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust
> Are the f-bodies true dual exhaust?  I thought they were a Y pipe that
then
> went into two mufflers.
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:29:35 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Tempest 4 and Iron Duke trivia question (was: Quad 4 and Hemi 
trivia)

>Unlike some GM 4 cylinders (Like the pontiac 4 cylinder, which I
>believe was a V-8 with a cylinder bank lopped off.)...

Depends on which Pontiac 4 you refer to.  This is indeed true of the
rope-drive Tempest's 4-cylinder.
__________

Absolutely true.  In fact, at 195 cu in, it was _exactly_ half of a 389
Poncho (rounded off 194.5).  If you've ever looked at one, the block is
cast just like a V-8, with the one cylinder bank leaning over at 45
degrees.  Same timing chain cover, cam location, water pump, etc as a
regular Pontiac V-8.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:37:40 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

> Mark, 
> 75 CS has that setup, one converter, dual exhausts, muffler shop guys are
> friends, said it would pass in Illinois. No dual converters though, has to
> do with volume, exhaust temp and etc. Was a long post on this subject
> about
> two months ago, some real good input. 
> 
Really, well here's one to think about.  Car: 77 Buick LeSabre; Engine:
originally 350 R (Olds) and my brother and I swapped in a 72 455 from a
Supreme; Exhaust: originally single with pellet converter that my brother
changed to dual converters for true dual exhaust and we were also running
blackjack headers in the car.  My brother took it for emissions testing in
Illinois and it passed.  Note: this was a good 3 years ago.  I should have
the papers from the test somewhere in my files, would be interesting to see
what kinda numbers were generated.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:41:04 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

> My 76 TA 400, Ram Air, had one converter, two pipes, two mufflers and two
> resonators behind all that, OEM.
> 
	Yes, I know.  But in my opinion if a car has only one converter,
it's not true dual exhaust.

	Chris Smetana
	Terre Haute, IN
	http://www.abcs.com/chris

	1969 W-31
	1969 4-4-2 parts car
	plus others

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:44:14 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic transmission bands

They squeeze on the outside of the planetary gear unit to change the gear
ratios, no squeeze, no moving, they switch around to provide the gear
changes, also for reverse. Clutches add to these changes. It's a lot more
complex operation then this explanation. Can't explain more without writing
the Bible.
Lou
- ----------
> From: DYeager535@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Automatic transmission bands
> Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 2:35 AM
> 
>      Can anyone tell me in plain English what the band(s) in a TH350/400
do?
> Are they mostly for compression braking? I'm pretty sure they are applied
only
> in 1st and 2nd gear, but really am not sure exactly what for.  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:44:50 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/1999 2:37:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
greenmm@earthlink.net writes:

<< If a car starts with one converter, is it legal to run a dual exhaust
 with two?  They said a car that starts with one converter must always
 have one converter.  Any answers?
  >>


Federal law says that you can not alter the exaust system from the converter
forward (towards the engine) in as much as the converter must remain in the
original place.  If there was a optionla twin conveter set up available, you
can change to that.  However, I know of lots of people who have installed true
duals themselves and have no problem.  It's just that a shop can get in to
trouble by altering the emissions.  If I were you I probably would get the
complete exaust system from an earlier car like yours (for true duals) install
it, and then add two high flow convaeters.

P.S. it has been my experiance that Midas sells restrictive junk.  I have seen
them use way too small a pipe size and their mufflers and converters tend to
be undersized too.  If you know you are getting good stuff at this Midas, then
disreguard this notice!  =-)

Bill K

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:49:31 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Chris, 
Was speaking in a strictly legal sense, they never look underneath the car,
usually, mine might have passed with dual converters but I didn't want to
spend the money and then not pass.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Semantana Chris (ONEX) <SemantanaC@tce.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust
> Really, well here's one to think about.  Car: 77 Buick LeSabre; Engine:
> originally 350 R (Olds) and my brother and I swapped in a 72 455 from a
> Supreme; Exhaust: originally single with pellet converter that my brother
> changed to dual converters for true dual exhaust and we were also running
> blackjack headers in the car.  My brother took it for emissions testing
in
> Illinois and it passed.  Note: this was a good 3 years ago.  I should
have
> the papers from the test somewhere in my files, would be interesting to
see
> what kinda numbers were generated.
> 
> Chris Smetana

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:47:03 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/99 2:37:42 AM EST, greenmm@earthlink.net writes:

<<  If a car starts with one converter, is it legal to run a dual exhaust
 with two?  They said a car that starts with one converter must always
 have one converter.  Any answers? >>

Mark,
I don't know what state you live in, but in New Jersey, it is Illegal to run
duals on a 75 Delta 88 since it was the first year of cat converters. I
finally found someone to do it for me, but he insisted on dual cats and dual
mufflers. He also cut and rewelded the support under the driver's side to
accommodate the exhaust. It cost me $1200, but for me, well worth it. So far,
gas stations are allowed to inspect the vehicles and with the duals, I pass
with flying colors, but if they go to strictly state inspections, I might have
a problem. Check your state laws before you do it. (then hell, do it anyway)
Good luck
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:47:58 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/1999 9:51:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SemantanaC@tce.com writes:

<< Are the f-bodies true dual exhaust?  I thought they were a Y pipe that then
 went into two mufflers.
  >>
some of the newer ones are true duals......  after 90 I think

Bill K

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:51:36 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Chris, 
for sure, a "Y" pipe to me, poor mans duals!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Semantana Chris (ONEX) <SemantanaC@tce.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust
> 	Yes, I know.  But in my opinion if a car has only one converter,
> it's not true dual exhaust.
> 
> 	Chris Smetana

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:51:12 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

> Was speaking in a strictly legal sense, they never look underneath the
> car,
> 
Ahhh, OK, gotcha

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:54:10 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/1999 10:51:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
lbiggs@intertek.net writes:

<< for sure, a "Y" pipe to me, poor mans duals!
 Lou >>


actually, a good flowing exaust system after the converter, coupled with a
good high flow cat. will definitely help performance.   

Bill K

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:22:34 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?

>The VIN code 9 307 was available in full size Caddys. Actually they are
>quite common in the '87 to '90 Fleetwood RWD cars.


Is not the VIN code 9 307 a 442 motor.  Cool.  442 Caddy.  Makes sense
though as these cars a just a wee-bit larger then a Cutlass or a 442.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:28:20 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Need help with piston rings

500 miles ain't squat on those rings. As long as the bores aren't scratched
by whatever "trash" you say found its way into the bearings.
__________

I have to disagree here.  These rings have already seated in the bores of
the old block.  Why spend all the money to put a new motor together and
take a chance on these old rings.  Yes, it's frustrating to have to buy
another set of rings, but you'd be even more frustrated if the old rings
haven't seated in the new block after a few hundred miles and you've got to
take the motor apart again.  Bottom line is don't cut corners if you can at
all afford not to - you'll likely end up spending more money in the long
run.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 11:50:44 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

I put a chevy sm block in my 87 Nissan truck and could not use the stock
exhaust and converter (DUH ! ). I ran true duals with cats and muffs out the
back end. I gutted the cats with a 1" steel bar before I welded them in.
The truck passed the grandfathered '81 V-8 specs without any problem. AND it
was burning 1 qt of oil a week.  Smoking like crazy( wore out guides ). 
It only HAS TO have the original exhaust set up for the test right? Leave
the one cat on there for the test and then change to whatever you want after
that. You have 2 year tests? or every year tests?
Shoot, have a built 455 in the garage to be installed the day after the smog
test.
If you only have to 'pass' one day a year then, only pass one day a year.
Forget those EPA guys. It's your car.

Donny A   

> ----------
> From: 	Semantana Chris (ONEX)[SMTP:SemantanaC@tce.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Monday, January 04, 1999 10:51 AM
> To: 	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: 	RE: Dual Exhaust
> 
> > Was speaking in a strictly legal sense, they never look underneath the
> > car,
> > 
> Ahhh, OK, gotcha
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:55:40 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: ID-ing a 442

Four round headlights, each pair surrounded by a rectangular box of chrome
trim. There's a rectangular driving light (parking light?) in between each
pair of headlights.
_________

As others have already pointed out, only the 67 and 68 Cutlass/442 had the
parking lights mounted between the high and low beam headlights.  The 68
used a flat lens on this parking light, while the 67 will have a horizontal
peak across the lens.  The 67 will have a more "squarish" body with sharp
edges on the fenders, while the 68 will be more curved.  The absolute ID
comes from the sixth digit in the VIN, which will be a "7" for 1967 and an
"8" for 1968.  Note however that neither year 442 used an "Oldsmobile"
script on the grille, though the 67 non-442 A-bodies _did_ have OLDSMOBILE
in block letters on the center grille bar; 68s used a chrome OLDSMOBILE
script on the left front corner of the hood on non-442s.  67 442s replaced
the Olds logo on the grille bar with a 442 emblem; 68s deleted the Olds
script on the hood and used large 442 numerals on the grille.  Note also
that either year 442 will have a black plastic egg-crate grille, while
non-442s will have a silver plastic grille with vertical bars (in 68) or a
horizontal metal bar with the aforementioned OLDSMOBILE logo (in 67).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:15:40 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/99 7:50:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, JonKrisInc@aol.com
writes:

<< So far,
 gas stations are allowed to inspect the vehicles and with the duals, I pass
 with flying colors, but if they go to strictly state inspections, I might
have
 a problem. Check your state laws before you do it. (then hell, do it anyway)
 Good luck
 Bruce >>

      At what point are they going to KNOW that you are the one that had duals
put on? If you have been passing inspections, there is no way they can prove
you didn't buy the car that way. I can imagine them having a problem with it,
but unless they can prove YOU did it, I would be just slightly surprised that
you couldn't get around it. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:08 EST
From: Sx455@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

ive been under f-bodies as new as 97 and they still use the y-pipe with single
(although huge) cat sx455

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:23:01 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Automatic trans. Converter instal

      When you assemble a converter to a TH350/400, what is the final "thing"
that stops the converter from going into the trans? Is it the end of the input
shaft, the oil pump tangs, or does it just go on until the input shaft bottoms
out on the converter? I want to reuse a newer converter, but it was the one
that wasn't totally engaging and took out my last pump. I would like to figure
out how deep that thing is in the case on the tangs.  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:16 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Here in Calgary, Alberta I put a 455 in a '81 Delta, true dual with no cats.
Isn't life beautiful.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:33:30 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?

I have seen a few RWD Cadillacs with the VIN "9" 307, but they are not that
common.  Most got the regular "Y" engine.  The cars I have seen with the "9"
code engine were either equipped with the 5,000 lb tow package or were the
"commercial chassis / coachbuilder package" sold to limo and hearse
conversion firms.
Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: vin code 9 in a B-body?


>>The VIN code 9 307 was available in full size Caddys. Actually they are
>>quite common in the '87 to '90 Fleetwood RWD cars.
>
>
>Is not the VIN code 9 307 a 442 motor.  Cool.  442 Caddy.  Makes sense
>though as these cars a just a wee-bit larger then a Cutlass or a 442.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:38:05 EST
From: Sx455@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/99 12:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
DYeager535@aol.com writes:

<<       At what point are they going to KNOW that you are the one that had
duals
 put on? If you have been passing inspections, there is no way they can prove
 you didn't buy the car that way. I can imagine them having a problem with it,
 but unless they can prove YOU did it, I would be just slightly surprised that
 you couldn't get around it >>
there is no "grandfather clause"or anything like that when your dealing with
this. the epa guys could care less WHO put the duals on,if its your car its
your problem,thats how they look at it. and then if a station inspects it
irregardless of who inspected it before,its the station who gets the fine not
the owner if caught! and believe me the feds will send in illegal cars to have
inspected,they call it spot checks,as will the state police. ive had customers
argue,scream and want to fight over this,but  the shop is the one facing the
fine and loss of license if caught! there is  always exceptions to every rule
and i will tend to "look the other way" if its a long time customer or friend.
i think most independent shops are this way. so my advice is if youve got one
of these "illegal" exhaust setups and it is presently passing inspections,keep
quiet about it and be nice to the inspector!!! sx455     

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:35:05 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Automatic trans. Converter instal

When you assemble a converter to a TH350/400, what is the final "thing"
that stops the converter from going into the trans?
_________

The oil pump drive tangs.  Of course, the problem with engagement is not
how far in the converter goes, but how far you must pull it back out to
mate with the flywheel.  Is there  a problem with the lugs on the converter
(not tall enough) or with the flywheel?  Perhaps you could put shim washers
between the flywheel and the converter lugs to space it further back in the
oil pump (assuming the pilot still engages in the end of the crank).

Actually, what did not engage properly, the oil pump or the input shaft?
Is it possible that there's a problem internal to that transmission?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:41:48 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather

In a message dated 1/3/99 10:51:44 PM EST, RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
writes:

<< >One morning the driver's door did not wanna open (prolly was frozen), so I
 >pulled harder. Open says-me! Aren't these cars great? >>

The best solution is to leave your door slightly ajar. (close it to the first
click only) This will prevent the door from freezing shut. Theft though is
another matter.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:51:52 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: seat cover info. needed/and vendor

does anyone know of a good source for seat covers other than year one?  im
restoring a 71 442  h.coupe with bucket seats and they dont have my color.  my
trim tag list it as follows;  TR  933  , or dark blue .   according to year
one`s catalog this is not available for this seat.  they list a part # m16*
for 71 which is a dark blue , but for supreme models, a diff. pattern.
they do list the m16* , or dark blue for the 72 442 holiday coupe. anyone know
what the difference is in the patterns.  according to photos in there catalog
the two look the same!  also the ( * ) at the end of the part number means
it`s a close but not perfect color match.     there sending me a color swatch
of the material, and if the 71 and 72 442 used the same patterns i guess i
could use the 72 seat covers.  TIA, steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:56:15 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

In a message dated 1/4/99 12:17:57 PM EST, DYeager535@aol.com writes:

<<  At what point are they going to KNOW that you are the one that had duals
 put on? If you have been passing inspections, there is no way they can prove
 you didn't buy the car that way. I can imagine them having a problem with it,
 but unless they can prove YOU did it, I would be just slightly surprised that
 you couldn't get around it. >>

Dorian,
I don't think they ask or care whether or not it was you or someone else who
put the duals on. As I understand it, they look up the car. If it didn't have
duals as it came from the mfr., they won't allow it. Hey, I would love someone
to prove me wrong. I'm on your side!
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:07:19 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: Dual Exhaust

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Sx455@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:38 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/4/99 12:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> DYeager535@aol.com writes:
> 
> <<       At what point are they going to KNOW that you are the 
> one that had
> duals
>  put on? If you have been passing inspections, there is no way 
> they can prove
>  you didn't buy the car that way. I can imagine them having a 
> problem with it,
>  but unless they can prove YOU did it, I would be just slightly 
> surprised that
>  you couldn't get around it >>
> there is no "grandfather clause"or anything like that when your 
> dealing with
> this. the epa guys could care less WHO put the duals on,if its 
> your car its
> your problem,thats how they look at it. and then if a station inspects it
> irregardless of who inspected it before,its the station who gets 
> the fine not
> the owner if caught! and believe me the feds will send in illegal 
> cars to have
> inspected,they call it spot checks,as will the state police. ive 
> had customers
> argue,scream and want to fight over this,but  the shop is the one 
> facing the
> fine and loss of license if caught! there is  always exceptions 
> to every rule
> and i will tend to "look the other way" if its a long time 
> customer or friend.
> i think most independent shops are this way. so my advice is if 
> youve got one
> of these "illegal" exhaust setups and it is presently passing 
> inspections,keep
> quiet about it and be nice to the inspector!!! sx455     
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:08:33 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: RE: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JonKrisInc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:42 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Countdown to ADMIN: Re: RE weather
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/99 10:51:44 PM EST, RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> writes:
>
> << >One morning the driver's door did not wanna open (prolly was
> frozen), so I
>  >pulled harder. Open says-me! Aren't these cars great? >>
>
> The best solution is to leave your door slightly ajar. (close it
> to the first
> click only) This will prevent the door from freezing shut. Theft though is
> another matter.
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:08:10 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: RE: Automatic trans. Converter instal

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
> Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:35 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Automatic trans. Converter instal
> 
> 
> When you assemble a converter to a TH350/400, what is the final "thing"
> that stops the converter from going into the trans?
> _________
> 
> The oil pump drive tangs.  Of course, the problem with engagement is not
> how far in the converter goes, but how far you must pull it back out to
> mate with the flywheel.  Is there  a problem with the lugs on the 
> converter
> (not tall enough) or with the flywheel?  Perhaps you could put 
> shim washers
> between the flywheel and the converter lugs to space it further 
> back in the
> oil pump (assuming the pilot still engages in the end of the crank).
> 
> Actually, what did not engage properly, the oil pump or the input shaft?
> Is it possible that there's a problem internal to that transmission?
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:08:49 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: RE: seat cover info. needed/and vendor

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of W30442CS@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:52 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: seat cover info. needed/and vendor
>
>
> does anyone know of a good source for seat covers other than year one?  im
> restoring a 71 442  h.coupe with bucket seats and they dont have
> my color.  my
> trim tag list it as follows;  TR  933  , or dark blue .
> according to year
> one`s catalog this is not available for this seat.  they list a
> part # m16*
> for 71 which is a dark blue , but for supreme models, a diff. pattern.
> they do list the m16* , or dark blue for the 72 442 holiday
> coupe. anyone know
> what the difference is in the patterns.  according to photos in
> there catalog
> the two look the same!  also the ( * ) at the end of the part number means
> it`s a close but not perfect color match.     there sending me a
> color swatch
> of the material, and if the 71 and 72 442 used the same patterns i guess i
> could use the 72 seat covers.  TIA, steven.  w30442cs@aol.com
>

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:17:49 -0500
From: robertd@bellsouth.net
Subject: 1961 olds dynamic 88 (394)

need info on rebuild kits and other restoration parts---have two 1961
Dynamic 88's with 394 cc engines--thanks, R. Davis

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:09:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 455 Engine (fwd)

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I dunno the answer to this and the FAQ was some help but not definitive..
anyone know? Respond to orion@goldengate.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Ronald Panasuk <orion@goldengate.net>
Subject: 455 Engine

I have a 67 442.  I am going to rebuild the engine in it.  I installed an
engine in it when I was in high school, it is supposedly a 455.  I pulled
a F5 off of the rear of the engine and a 3 and a 338 by the distrobuter
hole.  Any info on this?  I am looking for year and size and if this is
what I want.  Thanks. 
                        Ron.

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:09:51 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: RE: Dual Exhaust

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JonKrisInc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:56 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/4/99 12:17:57 PM EST, DYeager535@aol.com writes:
> 
> <<  At what point are they going to KNOW that you are the one 
> that had duals
>  put on? If you have been passing inspections, there is no way 
> they can prove
>  you didn't buy the car that way. I can imagine them having a 
> problem with it,
>  but unless they can prove YOU did it, I would be just slightly 
> surprised that
>  you couldn't get around it. >>
> 
> Dorian,
> I don't think they ask or care whether or not it was you or 
> someone else who
> put the duals on. As I understand it, they look up the car. If it 
> didn't have
> duals as it came from the mfr., they won't allow it. Hey, I would 
> love someone
> to prove me wrong. I'm on your side!
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)
> 

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:18:14 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Disc brake conversion/ Vacuum pump

Regarding vacuum reservoirs, if you want a factory tank, find a
Comfortron equipped car. They have huge tanks. I found metal tanks in a
'67 98. I don't know if they ever used plastic tanks.
- --
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:15:09 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Speaking of high speed

Correct Matt, and relative to the tire the car is spinning around it.  Some
parts of the car are going 60 MPH relative to a point on the outer edge of the
wheel while other parts of the car are going -60 MPH.

No wonder my car has vibrations and squeaks:))


> Actually mathamatically this is the same as the senario that I proposed.  If
> you use all of the dimentions, I believe you will find that the sides are 
also
> at 60mph.  The front is going down and the back is going up.  Although, as I
> think about it some more (ouch that hurts) I'll bet that you could set the
> problem up mathematically to get the answers you got.  So, your answer isn't
> wrong. You just weren't using all of the 4 dimentions to get your answer.
> 
> That's enough, its time for Matt to go to bed.
> 
> Matt Pokorny
> cs81w350@aol.com
> Ames, Iowa

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:18:08 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: MC leak revisited

Thanks to all those for the fine advice (as always) given to me on replacing
my MC. For the first time, I feel all four brakes working. I bench bled the
MC, bled the front disc calipers, and then the rear drums. I found that just
letting the fluid drip from the fittings through a tube into a jar with fluid
in it, I could see the air leaching out by itself. I let gravity do most of
the work (the fluid that came out was almost black)! and then pressure bled
the rest. Thanks again,
Bruce

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:23:51 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

I've been watching this thread, and not owning a cat-equipped car, I
haven't responded until now.

Keep in mind that the engine doesn't care if it has a single, dual, or
eight exhaust pipes; all it cares about is exhaust flow and restriction.
As an example, 2 1/2" dual exhausts, the standard high performance big
block exhaust setup, have the same flow area as a single 3 1/2" pipe.  The
cats in most factory performace applications have sufficient flow
capability that dual cats are not required.  The result, as others have
pointed out, is that the car costs less to build (a prime requirement for
the manufacturer) and the cat lights off faster (required for emissions
compliance).

One way to stay legal and still improve performance is to find a single cat
with sufficient inlet area to match that of the proposed duals.  I suspect
that the cats on late model F-body cars would suffice.  Now, when you go to
the inspection station, you've still got a single cat, but increased flow
area.  One pipe doesn't look as cool as two, but performance will be the
same, and you have the added advantage of not needing to fabricate a double
hump crossmember.

Note that I'm sure there are still issues with the fact that you've altered
the emissions control "system" and one could claim that a newer, large
volume cat wasn't designed to operate in the system of a different car
(read:  wasn't federally certified in that system), and that would be
technically true.  Also, you must realize that the entire emissions control
package _is_ tuned to work as a system, such as air pumps, exact A/F ratio,
etc. tweaked to ensure that the cat lights off and works correctly under
all operating conditions (well, at least under all _tested_ operating
conditions) for 100,000 miles (on newer cars).  The reality is, however,
that so long as the inspector sees a functioning cat and a single exhaust
where one grew originally, there likely won't be a problem.  Normal
disclaimers apply, however...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:34:28 -0800
From: "Jim Byrne" <jbyrne@cncx.com>
Subject: RE: MC leak revisited

Please remove my e-mail address from your list.

Thank you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JonKrisInc@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:18 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: MC leak revisited
> 
> 
> Thanks to all those for the fine advice (as always) given to me 
> on replacing
> my MC. For the first time, I feel all four brakes working. I 
> bench bled the
> MC, bled the front disc calipers, and then the rear drums. I 
> found that just
> letting the fluid drip from the fittings through a tube into a 
> jar with fluid
> in it, I could see the air leaching out by itself. I let gravity 
> do most of
> the work (the fluid that came out was almost black)! and then 
> pressure bled
> the rest. Thanks again,
> Bruce
> 

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