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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, December 17 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1672



Re: faq
Re: Headers repros (Was 442 convert?)
72 442 White Convertible Interior Color
Convertible Well-liner
Re: Olds and F-Bodies
Re: No Oldses in Iraq
MAKING WEB PAGE, READ
Spark Plug Torque (Was: Re: faq)
RE: Spark Plug Torque (Was: Re: faq)
Re: Emissions
re: battery size.
Re: GJC
Hey carb-guys?
Maximum Power by transmission? was: 8000 RPM
Re: faq
Spark plug torque (was Re: faq)
Door Hinge Spring
Re: Olds and F-Bodies
Re: Hey carb-guys?
squealing fan
Re: engine offset
Re: cutlass supreme engine offset
86 Cutlass Supreme for sale
Re: GJC
Again GJC,  is: don't misunderstand!
Re: cutlass supreme engine offset
passing emissions tests (long post)
Re: 72 442 White Convertible Interior Color
Re: W30 Stipes
Re: cutlass supreme engine offset
Re: Door Hinge Spring
Re: squealing fan
Re: Hey carb-guys?
Re: cutlass supreme engine offset
Re: Hey carb-guys?
Put me on the olds mailing list, please.
Re: W30 Stipes
Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Stripe Paint Touch-Up
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: Emissions
even more bench racing[was 8000 rpm 350]
Re:  Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: Emissions
correct address for KB pistons
Re: No Oldses in Iraq
Re: Olds and F-Bodies
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
RE: No Oldses in Iraq
Re: cutlass supreme engine offset
Re: Emissions
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Re: No Oldses in Iraq
RE: GJC
Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)
Kenne-Bell Oldsmobile
Re: W30 Stipes
Re: Kenne-Bell Oldsmobile
W29 Option
Re: W29 Option
Rear woe
Heads heads heads

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:56:33 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: faq

You can take this for whatever you think it's worth... but this 49 year old ASE
Master has used 18 ft/lb as the torque spec of choice for a lot of years (with
anti-seize on the threads) with great success in import aluminum heads,
American iron heads, and various large displacement import and domestic
motorcycles.  I'm a veteran of stripped out VW air cool heads and some of those
earlier wars.  Roger:)

roger hitson wrote:

> >>Exactly what torque goes to the spark plugs?
> >>
> >
> >
> >Funny, I've never seen it in writing, other than "finger tight and then
> >1/16th turn". Doesn't your torque wrench have a "snug" setting ?  ;)
> >
> >drc
> >
> Mr. Joe (M) says 35 ft/lb, which always pisses off my mechanic when he goes
> to pull a plug.  He says things like, "Damn, I gotta get the breaker bar to
> get the plugs out."
>
> 35 ft/lb does seem ridiculously tight for spark plugs, but I sometimes
> foolishly follow directions.
>
> roger

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:12:33 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Headers repros (Was 442 convert?)

We were talking about header panels on the convert top.  Coupes would 
not have them.



>Joe, 
>
>This is only a guess: Maybe because conv. normally need heaeers later 
>then coupes? (Driven less and in better weather and nice weather 
areas?) 
>Regulary Conv. don't sit outside like the 442 Jason wrote about, even 
my 
>wreck has decent headers...
>
>And the question is: Would a new set of headers be below 300 bucks 
>retail? 
>
>Regards, George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
>> The header panel is very rusted...
>> ________
>> 
>> Hey, Greg Rollin, Steve Kinney, et al.  How come nobody repros 
convertible
>> header bows for A-bodies?  It seems to me that with four divisions' 
worth
>> of A-body converts out there, there has to be a market for this.  
Heck,
>> they repro the 67-69 F-body header bows, and I would think there are 
fewer
>> of these cars out there that A-bodies.  _Used_ header bows run in the 
$300
>> to $450 range (which I find outragous).  This sure sounds like a 
market
>> waiting to be tapped.
>> 
>> Joe Padavano
>> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>> 
>> 66 442
>> 68 W-30
>> 69 H/O
>> 69 442
>> 70 W-30
>> 
>> 
>> 
>


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:17:39 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 72 442 White Convertible Interior Color

If someone can upload pics of what interior parts are white on a 72 442
convertible, please do so. Just e-mail me directly. I know the carpet, dash
and center console are black but am unsure about the rest.


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:19:16 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Convertible Well-liner

On a 72 442 convertible, the well liner must be replaced. Is this done with
the top assembly on or off the car? 


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:14:46 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds and F-Bodies

Hot Rod, Car Craft and Motor Trend have been bouncing back and forth on 
this for the past 4-5 months.

>BTW, my source for the info was the Jan. '99 Car & Driver.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:05 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq

Hmm, seems that we have managed to get Iraq onto our list.  I am sure that
Iraq has some Oldses.  I just have to put my thought onto this one.  As a
non-American on-looker, I would have to say that I am really disappointed
and that I have lost all respect for the American government, both
Republican and Democrat.  Lets see, Clinton post-pones the impeachment for a
few days, Christmas kicks-in, new year, new congress, 5 extra Democrats.  I
thought that this impeachment was stupid to begin with, a waste of time and
money, but now it is just funny.  Violating international law to protect
it?....I don't know.  I think that Hussein is a idiot but apparently not the
only one.  It would be like going out with your 12 sec. 442 with slicks and
NOS and looking for stock Civics or Colts to pick on so that you can feel
good about yourself.  Be a man, pick on someone your own size.  I don't mean
to offend anyone, start a dumb debate or anything, just voicing my neutral
opinion.  I don't think that the current American government (and not just
the White House) is worthy of its people.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:06:13 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: MAKING WEB PAGE, READ

For all of you that have responded to my Web Page post, I will gladly put
you all on my page.  I don't know the address yet and I am not done as I am
waiting for the FRIGGIN body shop to be done with my car so that I can
re-assemble and  take some picks.  As soon as I am done and know where it
will be posted, I will notify you.  IGOR.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:11:34 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Spark Plug Torque (Was: Re: faq)

> You can take this for whatever you think it's worth... but this
> 49 year old ASE Master has used 18 ft/lb as the torque spec of
> choice for a lot of years (with anti-seize on the threads) with
> great success

Second that. (I usually put a drop of oil on the threads when I put
the plugs in; dunno if that helps much long-term though.) The plug
installation is like oil-filter installation: if you torque it down
to start with, you are going to have a _nightmare_ removing it later.
Snugging it down by hand (18 ft./lbs. sounds good) is all you need.

These things do _not_ get looser with age; they get tighter, and if
you're dealing with brittle plugs (Champions seem more brittle than
AC for some reason) and crack them in the course of just taking them
out for inspection, all of a sudden you now _have_ to get the damn
things out and replace them.  :-(

- -- Andy


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:24:44 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Spark Plug Torque (Was: Re: faq)

> Snugging it down by hand (18 ft./lbs. sounds good) is all you need.
> 
Especially with our new E'brock heads (or alum Battens for that matter).
Don't need to strip any threads .....

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:21 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Emissions

In a message dated 98-12-16 17:27:50 EST, you write:

<< I also believe newer catalytic converters reduce certain emissions (NOX?)
better than the ones that would be on a 75 vintage car. Dorian >>

If using newer cat, should be from similar setup (350 or whatever).

Heard that disconnecting the PCV valve makes carb run leaner and helps
emissions.

Karl somewhat skeptical of that one, but you asked.

Karl suggests setting timing to factory specs, instead of the back-off-ping
method, this should put your emissions closer to factory settings (or as close
as engine as is will go...)

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:23 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: re: battery size.

After starting probs finally traced to a leaky battery.....

Anyway, new batt is a 1000cca Diehard Gold.

BIG SOB.

Fits in SOM's battery tray (1965 full size) no prob.

Next step?

Upgrade the 55amp alternator.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:25 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: GJC

Agree with all but....

<< Let's put an price of $2,000 on a restorable yesterday car today.  >>

Karl begs to differ (or hallucinate alternatively....) "restorable" is
anything that lives longer in your capable hands than in anyone elses.

.  <-------  !!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:17 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Hey carb-guys?

Got a prob.

Being assailed by fellers that want help/info on their "Vara-Jets".

Know we all know few self respecting gearheads would let it be known that they
actually use a carb that is 1/2 of a QuadraJet.

However, Karl knows (and cares) nothing about VaraJet carburetors.

Unfortunately, these appeared in good numbers in the 1980's.
(read as relatively late models)

If anyone believes they know a good deal about the varaJet, and would like to
help Karl help others with probs, please let m.... , uh, Karl know.

Privately if possible.

And no, for the time being, carb Q's to the Roch page are actually few and far
between!

Thanks for Bandwidth!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:26 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Maximum Power by transmission? was: 8000 RPM

OK

Gotta ask.

Heard a lot lately about MUCH torque at high RPM.

This requires some work, but doable.

Had heard that transmissions were available that allowed changes to gear
ratios in some gears.

So.

Say SOM developed (through effort) a pronounced torque peak at 3000 RPM.

[ HEY! Its just an example! Though very possible....]

If the TH400 were replaced by a fancy-schmancy 6 or 7 speed MT transmission
with adjustable gearing, wouldn't it be possible to have shift points on
either side of the torque peak and thus have a LOW RPM torque monster at
speeds exceeding 120 ???

Just curious.

More a Q in anticipation of the 371 project motor ....

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:19 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: faq

In a message dated 98-12-16 20:06:30 EST, you write:

<< I swear I saw a page in the FAQ stating torque specs for various and sundry
 parts.  Where is that? Exactly what torque goes to the spark plugs? >>

Hi!

Karl here.

I was always taught that "hand tight" on a hot engine was good enough.

The problem is that the last part of an engine block that you want to damage
is the threads of the spark plug holes. Realize that these threaded holes must
form a good seal as they are subject to some of the most intense pressure of
the engine: the cylinder head/combustion chamber! It is possible to (whoops!
Just invented something...Emailing myself...back)  repair damaged threads by
over tapping for a larger plug, and I would think sleeving is possible in
extreme circumstances.

For "indexing" plugs, some tightening past hand tight is required for some
plugs.
But that is a different topic which will be avoided for brevity.

SOM

&Karl Aune

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:33:38 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Spark plug torque (was Re: faq)

<Karl mused:>
> It is possible to (whoops!
>Just invented something...Emailing myself...back)  repair damaged threads
by
>over tapping for a larger plug, and I would think sleeving is possible in
>extreme circumstances.

Personally never seen either of these done.  I have always used
Heli-Coils to repair damaged plug threads.  For those that don't
know you drill the hole oversize (depending on application) and
use a special tap.  You then use a threaded insert to restore
the original threads.  Obvious drawback is that you have to pull
the head but that's why you avoid it in the first place.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the difference between
the conical seat plugs and the flat seat ones which use a compression
washer.  I go by the hand tight method myself, but always use an
extra bit of "snug" on the washer type when new to make sure I
get a good crush on the washer.  Nothing excessive, mind you.

A bit of personal experience:  Don't use a long ratchet when installing
plugs.  A longer ratchet with the same force applied as a short one
will put more torque on the plug.  I use my shortest ratchet and grip
it up by the head so if I do apply a lot of force not much is transmitted
to the plug.  On a similar note I always use a 1/4" socket with a very
short (3") 1/4" ratchet (better yet, nut driver) for oil pan and valve cover
bolts.  Very hard to overtighten and gives you a better feel for how
tight your getting the bolts.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:38:44 -0600
From: "Drusch, Wayne (Human Resources & Risk Mgmt)" 
<wayne_drusch@co.harris.tx.us>
Subject: Door Hinge Spring

For replacing bushings and pins in door hinges, there is a tool to compress
and safely remove the spring on the lower hinge. Mechanic friend of mine got
one from a SnapOn tool truck for about $15.00. Made of alum channel kind of
like a pair of tongs--hinged at one end with a bolt through both sides near
the other end. Force the open ends between the coils of the spring and
tightening the bolt compresses the spring for easy removal. 

E. Wayne Drusch
71 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:16:27 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds and F-Bodies

 A silver Sport Wagon, black bucket seat interior, four speed, gauge
package.  Here
comes Olds content. Discarded iron duke four banger in favor of aluminum
V-8
salvaged from a little 63 Jetfire found in a junqueyard.
__________

Deja vu.  I also had one (a 72 wagon that I swapped the sedan delivery
panels into) that got an aluminum 215.  I drove that car everywhere until
it (like all Vegas) rusted out  around me.  Note that this was a car that
lived its entire life in SoCal - and not near the beach!  I recall that the
weight difference was more like only 20 lbs, but you're right, it was a
great handling package.  Because of that, I'd always wanted to drop the 215
into an H-body Starfire.

(Unsaid is that this is yet another car owned by Joe with less than 400 cu
in...)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:40:12 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Hey carb-guys?

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Got a prob.
> 
> Being assailed by fellers that want help/info on their "Vara-Jets".
> 
> Know we all know few self respecting gearheads would let it be known that 
they
> actually use a carb that is 1/2 of a QuadraJet.
> 
> However, Karl knows (and cares) nothing about VaraJet carburetors.
> 
The 1/2 QuadraJet is the DualJet. The VaraJet is a Staged 2 barrel found
mostly on 4 cyl.


> Unfortunately, these appeared in good numbers in the 1980's.
> (read as relatively late models)
> 

I believe that most of the ones on the G-body's should be DualJets.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:53:20 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: squealing fan

Hi all,

Last night I decided to get constructive and change my thermostat,
belts, hoses, antifreeze, heater hoses, and oil and filter.  The whole
operation was a success except for my alternator belt.  For some reason
I can't get it to stop squealing.  It seems that the alternator is out
of alignment with the rest of the pulleys, although I have loosened and
tightened every mounting bolt I can find in every order I could think
of.  I changed nothing about the mounting or the location, and I have
tried two different belts, one smooth and one with teeth, and they both
do the same thing.  There seems to be no forward movement of the
alternator, which it appears to need to be brought back in line. My best
guess is there is a little bit of a twist in the belt and the alternator
pulley itself is the one that is causing the belt to squeal.  I have
tried varying degrees of tightness and looseness.  I know it is the
alternator because without the alternator belt it makes no noise, and
runs rather well.  Anyone out there know what may cause this and what
may fix it?
TIA
Brian.

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:47 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine offset

In a message dated 98-12-16 16:48:44 EST, you write:

<< e've now heard from some folks who swear the offset is real and 
 they've had to deal with it, and from others who swear they've seen no 
 offset whatsoever in cars they have worked on.  Could it be that they 
 are both right?  Someone referred to the fact that convertibles 
 supposedly were tougher to put headers into. My '72 Supreme (which I 
 *think* does have an offset engine based on the very tight clearance 
 around #8 sparkplug - by the way I'm the second owner and the first 
 owner put only 43,000 gentle miles on the car, no evidence of the 
 engine having moved due to the car  being bashed on obstacles or 
 anything like that) has the same body shape around the rear quarters 
 and trunk lid as the '72 convertible, which I guess makes mine the 
 2-door hardtop body style. Could it be that 2-door coupe's and 2-door 
 hardtops are different? 
 
     The suggestion about finding part numbers for the engine mount 
 brackets, etc, should clear this up. Any update?
 
    Thanks to all those who gave me answers to my questions, by the 
 way!
 
 -John Carri >>
Ok, here goes, my 72 assembly manual which is a GM original it shows the part
number for the 455 frame mount as 402953 and the 350 mount as 404752.  Only
other part numbers on the page is motor mount numbers and bolt numbers. It
also shows both set of mounts sharing the same holes on the frame.  The page
in the assembly manual is called "Power Plant to Frame" part numbwer 410124
series A Year 72 manual section 6-1 page 130
W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:53:42 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: cutlass supreme engine offset

In a message dated 98-12-16 19:22:16 EST, you write:

<< Here's the parts end of things for this thread. GM Oldsmobile parts book
 states: 
 1) Engine Mounts (PN 406436 are the same for 69-72 400/455 A body and are
also
 the same (PN 404461) for all small blocks 68-72.
 68-72 Assembly Manuals State:
 2) Frame mounts are also like the above. Same for all 400/455 68-72, and 350
 from 68-72.
 3) There were 3 different fan shrouds used from 68-72, 1#- 68 only, 2 69-70
 only, and #3 71-72 only. These were variations in reinforcements and could be
 interchanged between ALL the years.
 
         There is NO frame offset for any Oldsmobile A-body! Period. If
 there was
 (as Joe pointed out) there would HAVE to be a different engine mounting setup
 for the offset cars which would have a different part number. Don't know
where
 all this BS information came from or any documentation of such offset. The
few
 that said it was offset and closer to the passenger side of the car (a
problem
 with 455 and A/C) must have the incorrect valve covers on the car. The A-body
 455's ALL had the notched valve covers whether it had A/C or not. If these
are
 not on the car YES there will be clearance problems. Header fit problems are
 going to be manufacturer problems or the incorrect engine mounts and pads,
not
 engine to frame offset.
 
 Jim Chermack
 
  >>
AMEN Jimmy
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:02:36 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: 86 Cutlass Supreme for sale

Hi all again--

I have for sale:

1986 Cutlass Supreme Brougham. 
307 (Y) engine/139k miles
New transmission
good tires
spotless interior, strong engine
some rust, mainly on the doors.
*fairly* new exhaust (no leaks whatsoever)
New thermostat, hoses, belts, coolant
- ----Options include------
PW/PL/
Remote Trunk Release

That's about it.  I'm asking $1600.  Although it has some outside
surface rust, the underside looks good and it runs really well, but I am
going home to Mississippi to buy one that has never seen salty roads,
and am going to only drive it three seasons out of the year.  It is
located in New Jersey.  If you are interested or know someone who is,
please E-Mail me privately.
Thanks,
Brian
cshankle@home.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:10:28 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: GJC

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Agree with all but....
> 
> << Let's put an price of $2,000 on a restorable yesterday car today.  >>
> 
> Karl begs to differ (or hallucinate alternatively....) "restorable" is
> anything that lives longer in your capable hands than in anyone elses.
> 
> .  <-------  !!

Give yourselves a cigar, KA and SOM.  If the $2,000 amount were enforced
to where any car you paid less than that amount for was scrapped, I
wouldn't have any of my cars built prior to 1977.  That would mean one
less 72 Hurst, 70 Supreme conv, 69 S  conv, 72 S 2 dr hdtp and 71 GS455
conv.  OF course some people probably think they are worthless now, but
I happen to like my adopted children and they will get new shoes and
clothes shortly.  The great parts hunt continues...........

Just because it's a bargain doesn't mean it's junk.  If I misunderstood
the thread/prior commentary, just hit the delete button....

Don Sowers

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:28:32 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Again GJC,  is: don't misunderstand!

In a message dated 98-12-17 14:10:29 EST, you write:

<<  If the $2,000 amount were enforced >>

Whoa!

Apreciate similar "restorable" sentimennt.

BUT want to be undestood that I (yes "I") believe that neither G.J.C. no
myself was putting a $2000 price tag on "restorable".

Sorry if it sounds like Karl is singling anyone out (Don Sowers, whose missive
sparked this, et alii) but Karl WAS speaking on behalf of those like C.
Buehner who spend like $100 per Olds and laugh all the way to work like me
(who spent $1400), or the bank (in C.B.'s case!!).

Hell, I, well... Karl anyway is gonna turn a nondescript 371 into a strip-
eating torque monster, based on a tri-power with yarde carbs! What is
restorable when the whole vehicle is patchwork?

And no, Karl flames no-one (though he IS glad to hear from Don Sowers, wo has
prolly been on list longer than Karl), just saying any old car kept alive is a
victory against Father Time!
(Prolly a Chevvy-lover)
{the Bastard!}

BTW My (KArl's)  socket wrench kit is a (now) rusty Craftsman kit (Cafts-MAN
arrrr-arrr-arr!) due to yarde -ing with Dave Brown! Looking forward to
replacin the WHOLE KIT!

heh

K

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:53:44 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cutlass supreme engine offset

Sorry maybe I was wrong. I thought I had seen Joe Mondello talking about 
it also.  How did this rumor get started?  Why do the header 
manufactures believe it?



>Back to you Bub, Wrong!!!!  I race Oldsmobiles, I have done countless
>transplants including several cars on the Street Rocket Web Page,  The 
Frame
>Mounts are not, I repeat no offset.  If you want, I can even post a pic
>showing Frame Mounts with the W43 hemi hooked to them.  The W43 Hemi is 
a 455
>block with the hemi heads.
>
>Also look at your Oldsmobile Assembly Manual.  
>
>W MACHINES
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:46 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: passing emissions tests (long post)

Hi everyone,

   I'm not a chemist, but as a matter of survival (till '96 I had to 
deal with CA smog checks for my '73 Road Runner every two years) I 
learnt something about automotive emissions. Here's what I know.

   I don't think adding extra alky to the gas is always the right 
solution.  Here in California (and everywhere else using the same 
standards or the new Federal standards) three different kinds of 
emissions are measured, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, and NOx, or 
oxides of nitrogen. Adding more alcohol to the gas raises the oxygen 
content, in effect leaning out the mixture. This will reduce 
hydrocarbon emissions, and probably decrease the carbon monoxide 
emissions as the extra oxygen helps convert the carbon monoxide to 
carbon dioxide which is not considered a pollutant, but, here is the 
catch, the leaner mixture will burn hotter and that in turn will 
actually raise NOx emissions.

    Until about a year ago the emissions tests did not measure NOx, so 
adding alcohol was helpful if your car tended to run a little rich. 
Now it is no longer so simple.

   One more caveat - if your car runs extremely lean (as most mid 70's 
cars do) adding the extra alcohol can lean out the mixture so much 
that the engine begins to misfire. Each time a cylinder misfires, the 
whole cylinderful of unburnt hydrocarbons goes whooshing down the 
tailpipe to the emissions sniffer, which usually means you flunk the 
emissions test due to too much hydrocarbons emissions.  I have also 
read that high alcohol content can damage gaskets and plastic parts in 
some older carburetors - this was true for things like the accelerator 
pump piston in Carter ThermoQuads. I don't know about GM carbs.

   Another strategy for passing emissions (reduces NOx) used to be to 
retard the ignition timing at idle. Now in California the law requires 
that ignition timing be within +/- 2 degrees of the factory setting. 
Found this out the hard way trying to help my friend get his H*nda to 
pass emissions last week...(his NOx levels were too high the first 
time, I helped him retard the timing and his car passed all the 
emissions limits, but they still flunked him because the timing 
differed from the factory setting by more than 2 degrees. The law is 
indeed an ass.)

   Here is a list of things I've read about that you can do that may 
help you lower your emissions :-

1)   Replace any suspect vacuum tubing. A tiny leak in plumbing can    
     alter things like the amount of EGR, raising your NOx emissions.

2)   Make sure the EGR system (if present) is functioning.
  
3)   Change the oil just before the smog test, unless it was changed   
     recently. New oil resists burning better, and burning oil in the  
     cylinders equates to more hydrocarbon emissions.

4)   Set the ignition timing and carburetor idle mixture to factory    
     specs.

5)   Make sure your thermostat is not colder than the factory spec     
     one. Cold engines emit more pollutants.

   
   Well, that's about all I know. Good luck with the smog check!

- -John Carri

72 Cutlass Supreme
73 Plymouth Road Runner

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:27:01 EST
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 White Convertible Interior Color

The only white components will be the seats including the plastic backs
(buckets),  the door panels, rear panels, piston covers & top boot.


Steve Dietrich
  41 442 W30 Conv. (Pearl Interior)
    S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:29:24 EST
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: W30 Stipes

I may have missed this conversation,  but someone said don't use the stencile
kits offered by Year One & many others.  Does anyone have any experiance with
these ?  Should they just be masked out with 3m masking tape ?

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 (almost ready to apply the W30 Stripes)
    S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:35:58 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: cutlass supreme engine offset

>Sorry maybe I was wrong. I thought I had seen Joe Mondello talking about
>it also.  How did this rumor get started?  Why do the header
>manufactures believe it?
>
Don't know where it got started (in my short time on the list, THIS is the
first
time I have ever known other Oldsmoheads) and this is my first time hearing
of it.  As for why the header manufacturers believe it, they tend to get
confused when it comes to Olds'.  What I've found (for most cars) is that
unless it's a stick (clutch linkage) or convertable (stiffer frames) headers
usually fit fairly well.  Most times it's these two options which give you
the
most headaches.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:38:15 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Door Hinge Spring

Sound's simple enough.  Something even us cheap b*st*rd's could afford
(or if your as bad as me, make yourself).

Mike B

>For replacing bushings and pins in door hinges, there is a tool to compress
>and safely remove the spring on the lower hinge. Mechanic friend of mine
got
>one from a SnapOn tool truck for about $15.00. Made of alum channel kind of
>like a pair of tongs--hinged at one end with a bolt through both sides near
>the other end. Force the open ends between the coils of the spring and
>tightening the bolt compresses the spring for easy removal.
>
>E. Wayne Drusch
>71 Cutlass Conv.
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:33:32 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: squealing fan

Anyone out there know what may cause this and what
may fix it?
_________

Are you sure it's the belt and not the alternator bearing that's making the
noise?  Remove the belt again and spin the alternator by hand.  Does it
feel rough or make noise?  If so, guess what?  It could be that the old
belt was just loose enough that you were not putting enough side load on
the bearing to fail it, but it was an incipient failure that would have
gone in a short time.  Replacing the belt and tensioning it may have pushed
this weak bearing over the edge.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:29:40 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Hey carb-guys?

The 1/2 QuadraJet is the DualJet. The VaraJet is a Staged 2 barrel found
mostly on 4 cyl.
_________

Wasn't the DualJet a 2bbl based on the primary side of a Q-jet and the
VaraJet staged 2bbl based on one primary and one secondary of a Q-jet?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:44:46 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: cutlass supreme engine offset

Sorry maybe I was wrong. I thought I had seen Joe Mondello talking about
it also.  How did this rumor get started?  Why do the header
manufactures believe it?
_______

Mondello _has_ talked about it, so it's understandable that you'd believe
it.  Just goes to prove that everyone makes mistakes (some more public than
others).  As for the header manufacturers, I suspect that they only
fit-check their headers on a single car before entering production, and due
to their greater numbers, that car was likely a Cutlass S or 442 hardtop
coupe rather than a Supreme or convert.  Given that the god of all
Oldsmobiles has decreed that Supreme engines are offset, the header
manufacturers likely just went along with it.  I'd also be willing to bet
that the rumor of headers not fitting convertibles is also untrue, but in
this case I don't have any proof.  The bottom line is that Missouri has it
right:  Show Me!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:00:41 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Hey carb-guys?

> 
> Wasn't the DualJet a 2bbl based on the primary side of a Q-jet and the
> VaraJet staged 2bbl based on one primary and one secondary of a Q-jet?
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30


There were some EARLY DualJets that had a QuadraJet body with
secondaries bloacked off (not cast). The later DualJet were based on the
primary side of the QJet only. The VaraJet on the other hand is based on
stupidity - seriously this carbuerator is TOTALLY different animal than
any other Rochester carb.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:49:39 -0800
From: Don Rose <drose007@sprynet.com>
Subject: Put me on the olds mailing list, please.

I'm not sure if you're the man to do this for me. 
If you are, Thanks. 

Don Rose

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:14:05 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W30 Stipes

I had a problem when I used 3M masking tape. the problem is that the lines
that ride over the fender well extrusions are not perfectly round. The
problem lies in that taping tpae around a turn and going in an oval shape
makes the tape come out in jagged corners. It is not noticeable until you
get really close and look directly at it.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: SrDietW30@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: W30 Stipes
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:29 PM
> 
> I may have missed this conversation,  but someone said don't use the
stencile
> kits offered by Year One & many others.  Does anyone have any experiance
with
> these ?  Should they just be masked out with 3m masking tape ?
> 
> Steve Dietrich
>   71 442 W30 (almost ready to apply the W30 Stripes)
>     S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:01:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

I have a question about the bucket seat coverings in a 1969 Olds
Cutlass S. Does anyone know what the grain looked like in them? Are
they the same design as the 69 442's? I figured that they would be the
same, but when I looked at my Paddock catalog, the 69 442's looked
different. Mine have this type of Y in the middle of them. In the
middle of the Y is a small decorative, rectangle, piece of metal. Are
these seats from something else? The guy I bought the car from said
they were 69 Cutlass seats, but now I am questioning this. Can anyone
help?

TIA
Del




==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:19:13 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Stripe Paint Touch-Up

Here is the question I have, hopefully someone with painting knowledge can
help:

I painted the white W-30 stripes on my car using base/clear coat paint. It
was then cleared over. The problem is that the flare portions in the fender
and quarter were taped off and if you look close enough you can see squared
off portions instead of perfectly round line. This was due when you tape it
is hard to make a circular turn. 

QUESTION: is it possible to use the white touch-up paint and try and even
out the squared off portions with a fine paint brush?? Will this look good?
I can't clear it anymore so will this show?



Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:10:35 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

> I have a question about the bucket seat coverings in a 1969 Olds
> Cutlass S. Does anyone know what the grain looked like in them? Are
> they the same design as the 69 442's? I figured that they would be the
> same, 

They are the same as the 442.  Diamond patterned.  Pleats.  Like the
door panels.  Sounds like these could be from a buick or pontiac.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:08:34 -0700
From: Roger Peterson <rkp@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Emissions

Karl... catalytic converters come in a variety of types: monolithic (mono-cat -
ceramic honeycomb block), pellet (beads used in bed); and a variety of 
functions:
two-way (also oxidation cat - platinum catalyst effective in reducing CO and HC
only), three-way (also reduction - rhodium and platinum catalyst effective in
reducing CO, HC, and NOx), dual-bed (also split-air - a combination of two- and
three-way in bed with each other with forced or pulsed oxidizing air fed to the
rear bed).  Certain cats also use palladium as catalyst in place of or in 
addition
to the other two... if memory serves.  Be sure to use a free-air heat shield
between the cat and car if retrofitting a cat to a non-cat car.  Don't want any
carpet fires.

Disconnecting of PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) valve: bad idea.  PCV 
uses
engine vacuum (usually after carb circuits) to draw blowby gasses from 
carnkcase
into the intake and combust them.  Excessive blowby = fix funky engine.  
Crankcase
blowby _will_ go somewhere.  It'll push out a seal if it has to (this would be 
a
_bad_ thing).  Better to vacuum it out through the tailpipe.
Hope this helps... Roger:)

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-12-16 17:27:50 EST, you write:
>
> << I also believe newer catalytic converters reduce certain emissions (NOX?)
> better than the ones that would be on a 75 vintage car. Dorian >>
>
> If using newer cat, should be from similar setup (350 or whatever).
>
> Heard that disconnecting the PCV valve makes carb run leaner and helps
> emissions.
>
> Karl somewhat skeptical of that one, but you asked.
>
> Karl suggests setting timing to factory specs, instead of the back-off-ping
> method, this should put your emissions closer to factory settings (or as 
close
> as engine as is will go...)
>
> SOM
>
> &KA

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:11:27 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: even more bench racing[was 8000 rpm 350]

Mike B,
 I hope i'm not sounding like a small block chev fan. I am NOT.
 We started out talking about the pros and cons of the "C" head on a high rpm 
350
Olds. Now we're comparing the Olds to the sb chev. I wish it wasn't so, but the
layout of the olds ports[large and small block], compared to the sb chev has 
the
Olds looking not so good. As you say, the Olds has more cross section, but if 
you
look at the turns in the Olds heads, and especially in the exhaust, the Olds 
port
looks bad. You can't even see the exhaust valve from the port mouth on an Olds.
Check a chev.
 Batten addressed some of the shortcomings in the factory Olds port and 
mounting
flange locations with his Olds head, with higher/straighter, relocated ports.
 I've done some porting, but i'm no expert, and i don't have a flow bench, but 
i
don't believe the factory Olds head will touch the better aftermarket sb chev 
heads.

Here's why i believe this to be true;
 I'm sure we'd all agree that the Edelbrock Olds head outshines all the 
factory Olds
heads, yes? H*ll, the Edelbrock Olds head doesn't flow as well as some of the
Edelbrock sb chev heads, and the sb chevs have smaller valves! Go to their web 
site,
and see for yourself <http://www.edelbrock.com:>. I bet there's some other 
brands of
aftermarket sb chev heads that put the best Edelbrock sb chev head to shame.

 On another note - I think i understand where you're coming from on decking the
block. I was trying to explain that as far as i know, you would need at least 
around
40 thou from the top of piston to the flat part of the head[INCL the gasket]. 
BTW
there's some interesting data at the Keith Black site on quench area
<http://www.keithblack.com>

Please believe me when i say, i would never put a chev in my car. I am an Olds 
man
all the way. The only other engine i would ever consider is a Caddy[ i've used 
them
in pickups]. This is because they are even less popular.
 I hope this is still fun.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:15:31 EST
From: Ralllye350@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Bucket seats (69 Olds)

'69 Cutlass S and '69 442's share the same interior.

Craig Rose
'69 442
'70 Cutlass S

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:10:26 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

69 cutlass S bucket seats had the same pattern as 69 442 buckets..I.had a 69
442 w/buckets and put 69 cutlass S buckets in her that I got from a junkyard
69 cutlass S......

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:15:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

> They are the same as the 442.  Diamond patterned.  Pleats.  Like the
> door panels.  Sounds like these could be from a buick or pontiac.
> 
> Mike Rothe
> 
- ----------------------------------------------------

If they aren't Olds seats, how can I tell what they are? Will the 69
442 covers fit on them? That's what I am looking at is redoing the
front seats, but I need to find out what they are so I can get
something that will fit them.

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:23:52 -0800
From: babyboo@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

contact YEARONE and ask them to send you a seatcover sample.You can
contact YEARONE @1-800-950-9503. hope this helps.

Rock Man wrote:

> I have a question about the bucket seat coverings in a 1969 Olds
> Cutlass S. Does anyone know what the grain looked like in them? Are
> they the same design as the 69 442's? I figured that they would be the
> same, but when I looked at my Paddock catalog, the 69 442's looked
> different. Mine have this type of Y in the middle of them. In the
> middle of the Y is a small decorative, rectangle, piece of metal. Are
> these seats from something else? The guy I bought the car from said
> they were 69 Cutlass seats, but now I am questioning this. Can anyone
> help?
>
> TIA
> Del
>
> ==
> Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
> rockman20@yahoo.com
> 1986 Honda Accord DX
> 1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
> 1981 John Deer Snowmobile
> 197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
> 1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:28:47 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Emissions

Thanks, Mark. talked to my Sec of State, guy last nite, he if he can pull
some strings to get 75 put in early, crossing my fingers, would like to put
real duals on it.
- ---------
> From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Emissions
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:04 AM
> 
> Lou,
> You still only have to pass at 1975 standards.
> It doesn't have to meet today's new car standards.DYeager535@aol.com
wrote:

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:33:36 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: correct address for KB pistons

Hello,
 The Keith Black piston site can be reached at <http://www.kb-silvolite.com>. 
The address in my earlier post is no good.
Dave Brode

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:40:35 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq

They use Vista Cruisers to haul Scuds around, faster than the Ruskie
trucks. Harder to hit.
Lou
 From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq
> Ray C. Observes:
> 
> > Wow, I'm real glad that none of those Iraqie's have 442's or anything!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:36:48 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Olds and F-Bodies

Peter, 
My 73 is a hatchback, silver and(rust), 4 speed, black interior, factory
air, still cute, damn shame they didn't use such cheap metal, garaged
forever, still fell apart. Olds content, if it was an Olds it wouldn't have
fell apart.
Lou
- ---------
> From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds and F-Bodies
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 9:12 PM
> 
> Way back in my feckless youth I, I am proud to say, had a Vega.  A silver
> Sport Wagon, black bucket seat interior, four speed, gauge package.  Here
> comes Olds content. Discarded iron duke four banger in favor of aluminum
V-8
> salvaged from a little 63 Jetfire found in a junqueyard.  The transplant
> weighed, if memory serves here, 40 pounds more that the impotent 4
banger.
> Yes, children, (A booger drops from one nostril, eyes rheumy, hands
> gnarled ) that was a cute little car.  Peter.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:31:05 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

the pattern in question is from a 69 GTO or lemans poncho if you will...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
To: Oldsmobile E-mail Ring <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:07 PM
Subject: Bucket seats (69 Olds)


>I have a question about the bucket seat coverings in a 1969 Olds
>Cutlass S. Does anyone know what the grain looked like in them? Are
>they the same design as the 69 442's? I figured that they would be the
>same, but when I looked at my Paddock catalog, the 69 442's looked
>different. Mine have this type of Y in the middle of them. In the
>middle of the Y is a small decorative, rectangle, piece of metal. Are
>these seats from something else? The guy I bought the car from said
>they were 69 Cutlass seats, but now I am questioning this. Can anyone
>help?
>
>TIA
>Del
>
>
>
>
>==
>Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>rockman20@yahoo.com
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
>1981 John Deer Snowmobile
>197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
>1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:52:13 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: No Oldses in Iraq

Not to mention the mass amounts of torque.  I've heard they use 455's to
power their rockets.  403's for the tanks.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:41 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq


They use Vista Cruisers to haul Scuds around, faster than the Ruskie
trucks. Harder to hit.
Lou
 From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq
> Ray C. Observes:
>
> > Wow, I'm real glad that none of those Iraqie's have 442's or anything!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:58:07 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: cutlass supreme engine offset

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

................  I'd also be willing to bet that the rumor of headers not
fitting convertibles is also untrue, ....

I have headers on  my 69 conv, and while they were persuaded to fit between the
starter and the frame with a BFH by the previous owner, he also nipped the
corner of the lower control arm mount off with a torch to get clearance. I
currently get a slight interference between the headers and the brake
proportioning valve.

I installed the headers back on the engine while the body was off the frame.
The pass side could be done by a one armed 'Tim Taylor' type, but the driver
side was one miserable cuss to install with the starter in place. It would be
something else with the body on!

I painted my headers with POR 15 Manifold Grey, and managed to get them
installed without scratching it up. I wouldnt be able to do that with the body
on the frame.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass S Conv
(coming soon to  the Virtual Car Show - brought to you by 442.com!)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:02:49 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions

> Disconnecting of PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) valve: bad
> idea.  PCV uses engine vacuum (usually after carb circuits) to
> draw blowby gasses from carnkcase into the intake and combust them. 
> [...] Crankcase blowby _will_ go somewhere.

Besides, if you are bound and determined to put a convertor on
your non-convertor car to clean up its emissions, it seems a
little contradictory to disconnect your PCV at the same time
and start venting crankcase fumes instead of burning them...

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:07:00 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

As others have noted, they do not have the correct covers right now.  GM only
used 2 or 3 different bucket seat "bodies" in those years so if it has the
release button in the middle of the back and looks more-or-less like the ones
in the Year One catalog then they should work.  

If you are going to re-cover them yourself then get the covers warm before you
try to stretch it over.  One way is to put them in a sauna for a while.

Rock Man wrote:
> 
> If they aren't Olds seats, how can I tell what they are? Will the 69
> 442 covers fit on them? That's what I am looking at is redoing the
> front seats, but I need to find out what they are so I can get
> something that will fit them.> 
><snip>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) @ http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:11:19 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: No Oldses in Iraq

Ray, their tanks only have one gear, reverse, need a 403 to get the hell
out of there.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Ray Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: No Oldses in Iraq
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 4:52 PM
> 
> Not to mention the mass amounts of torque.  I've heard they use 455's to
> power their rockets.  403's for the tanks.
!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:26:48 -0500
From: "<GJC> CC-IROC-SS" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: GJC

<Snip>

> Agree with all but....
>
> << Let's put an price of $2,000 on a restorable yesterday car today.  >>
>
> Karl begs to differ (or hallucinate alternatively....) "restorable" is
> anything that lives longer in your capable hands than in anyone elses.
>
> .  <-------  !!

Give yourselves a cigar, KA and SOM.  If the $2,000 amount were enforced
to where any car you paid less than that amount for was scrapped

<GJC>

Sorry guys. I reached for figures that might represent an average among a
reasonable most on the list. After all, I was just reflecting. Sure,
restorable is in the mind (and wallet) of the owner. Whether owned at
<---$500 or $5,000--->. Heck, I picked up Quincy at $1,100.

What I was trying to capture was the happiness, devotion, sentiment and so
on. Yes, I happen to love my Olds. But this is a feeling that transcends
beyond brands and cars themselves.

I'm not flaming anyone. The piece was really not about the figures. Rather
it was about the things we can't put a figure on. Our happiness of life.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom
ICQ# 5209322
mailto:gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
Send Project Questions To:
mailto:info@CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:31:13 EST
From: CarJackTX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bucket seats (69 Olds)

You can pull up Brothers catalog at www.oldsparts.com, and they have pictures
of the different years. Jack

71 Cutlass conv

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:43:20 -0600
From: "Dave Rench" <renchd@krause.com>
Subject: Kenne-Bell Oldsmobile

Sorry if this has already has been answered, I'm in digest mode and just
read this mornings post.  Kenne-Bell is still around, alive and well.  I
don't have a current phone # but they have an ad in the back of most
mainstream car mags (Hot Rod, Car Craft, Popular Hot Rodding etc.).  I
think they have abandoned the Olds market.  They started in the Buick
market and still carry parts for them.  They expanded into Olds and I know
currently they carry Mustang and GMC Syclone parts and have recently
ventured into putting Whipplechargers on Dodge Durangos.  

My father bought several parts from them years ago.  They were decent, but
high priced and I don't think their parts were any better (or even as good)
as Mondello,Dave Smith or Dick Miller and their knowledge level of Olds
didn't seem to be real high.  I don't think you're missing too much.  I
suspect that they would be a good company to deal with on Buicks, but
that's another list.

Dave Rench

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:40:44 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: W30 Stipes

3M makes a plastic tape that is vastly superior to masking tape for creating
curves.  The outside of the corner will stretch giving a smoother look.  It
also comes off cleaner and doesn't bond if left on for several days.

just my 2p worth

Peter Landowski wrote:
> 
> I had a problem when I used 3M masking tape. the problem is that the lines
> that ride over the fender well extrusions are not perfectly round. The
> problem lies in that taping tpae around a turn and going in an oval shape
> makes the tape come out in jagged corners. It is not noticeable until you
> get really close and look directly at it.
><snip>

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:53:30 EST
From: CarJackTX@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kenne-Bell Oldsmobile

You were the first reply, thanks for the info. Jack

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:04:37 -0700
From: "Michael Maxwell" <michael@maxwell.cnchost.com>
Subject: W29 Option

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What is the W-29 option? I believe it was available on the 1972 442.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:08:42 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: W29 Option

that option was the code for the 442 sport,appearance package at that time.
Sway bars , stiffer springs, stripes, 442 emblems...

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:10:56 EST
From: Knightvd@aol.com
Subject: Rear woe

I have a problem with the rear in my 71 Cutlass Supreme.  I installed 3.73
gears last summer and have noticed that the pinion nut loosened up and there
is play in the pinion bearing.  I think this is due to a couple of high speed
runs with an out of balance driveshaft that I haven't had corrected yet.  

So the first thing is... have the driveshaft balanced.  But what should I do
with the pinion nut?  
 
Should I just tighten the nut to the point it was before?  I know these things
need a certain amount of preload on the bearing.  My friend works at a GM
dealer and he says that when they replace a pinion seal they just replace the
nut and put an 1/8" more turn on it.  Is this what I should do?  Any help
would be appreciated.
 
Vince Knight
71 Cutlass Supreme Convert

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:21:35 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Heads heads heads

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I was thinking about going with the mondello ported 2000 dollar "C" =
castings I found on the rpm catalog web page.  Afew friends talked me =
out of it.  Why buy someone elses used and possibly broken stuff when I =
can buy my own stuff new and break it myself? hehe.. So.. As of today =
I'm  the proud owner of a brand new set of edelbrock aluminum heads.  =
Afew questions for those in the know..=20

I had to buy better vave springs to handle the .600 solid lifter cam I =
have.  Anyone interested in the edelbrock springs?  Brand new and good =
for up to a .575 Hyd. cam.? Cheap! say 50 bucks...

Anyone know if I need to do anything special when I install the new =
springs.  I've read alot about installed height.. Each valve has a =
number stamped into the head next to it. ie: 075 100 065 ect.. When I =
put the new springs in can I just leave the shims that are there? Or =
will I need to do more?  Would rather not pay an engine builder bucks if =
I can avoid it.  What do I need to do and how important is that =
installed height?

Anyone know if I will need to buy new head bolts?  The directions say I =
will need to use an edelbrock part number for the head bolts, but they =
also say I have to use edelbrock signature series valve covers.  I know =
I dont need the valve covers, but do I need the head bolts, or can I use =
the ARP bolts I had been using on my old "E" heads?

I also bought 7/16" Comp Cams Aluminum Roller rockers w/ poly locks.  =
All this combined with the Arias flat tops ought to put that 12.30@110 =
in the dust.. =20

Thanks, Ken

olds442@en.com


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