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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, December 12 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1661



Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?
Re: Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?
68/69 Console
Re: Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?
edelbrock heads dynoed
piston melting equipment
Re: edelbrock heads dynoed
Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
Olds in Movies
Re: edelbrock heads dynoed
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST(spelling)
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
Re: edelbrock heads dynoed
Re: Olds in Movies
GAMBLING 1% LUCK 99% PRACTICE
Dennis' 72 Vista Cruiser
Re: 70  supreme parts car
Re: Olds in Movies
Chris Witt's Email?
Re: Need Advice: 307 vs others
Re: Need Advice: 307 vs others
Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better
Re: secondary metering rods
Re: Oldsmobile in the movies. WW and the Dixie Dance Kings?
Is this a leaking well plug scenario?
Re: secondary metering rods
Cool Olds toy?
Re: : WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
What is right with the list?
Edmunds Dual Quad Intake f/s
Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]
Re: Chris Witt's Email?
Re: [Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]]
Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car]
Re: 68/69 Console
Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp
RE: UNBOOUNCE: feedback on "power steering services, inc"
Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp
RE: feedback on "power steering services, inc"
1950 Olds Coupe
Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car]
parts for sale 
Re: Alternator still high
ADMIN: Take Transactions Private Please
Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
reply to: ADMIN: Take Transactions Private Please
F41 suspension package
Re: edelbrock heads dynoed
Re: F41 suspension package
Loud Fan
Re: F41 suspension package
RE: Loud Fan
350 better than 425?
Re: [Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]]
RE: 350 better than 425?

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:17:47 -0500
From: "Chris Smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?

> > ----------
> > From: 	Mark Thurman[SMTP:Thurman@kvnet.org]
> > Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Sent: 	Thursday, December 10, 1998 1:21 PM
> > To: 	Olds Mailing List
> > Subject: 	"Country Roads" - was re: Olds Vrs. 305 Pontiac

> > In other news: I put 15 pictures I took at the '98 Oldsmobile Nationals
on
> > my web page - the link is under the "What's New?" section of:
> > http://members.tripod.com/MT13

Mark,
Was checking out your project and pictures from Nationals.  Your
mightaswell frame off project looks familar, good luck with yours, as I'm
going thru the same thing with my 66 GTO.

As for the Nationals pictures, on page 2 the car at the bottom of the page,
does anyone know if this is the car from the Brothers incident?  Jim
McKeague, does this look like the same car?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:31:52 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?

Not to start something back up but for those of us that don't know, what
is the "Brothers incident" ?

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>As for the Nationals pictures, on page 2 the car at the bottom of the page,
>does anyone know if this is the car from the Brothers incident?  Jim
>McKeague, does this look like the same car?

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:39:41 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: 68/69 Console

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console for his 69 TH350 looks identical to the console for
my 68 Jetaway.  I plan to later swap in either a TH350 or a=20
TH2004R.  My question is this:  What is the difference=20
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the console and shifter handle look identical I was thinking
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Jetaway shifter (if different) could be modified to work
correctly with the TH350 and even the TH200R4 (maybe
loose 1st gear but still have OD & Drive).  Anybody done
this?

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:39:15 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nationals pics - Brothers incident car?

Chris,
Hard to tell if that was the car because there were three cars just like with
the Rally Red paint. By the picture though, I think that that's the car.
Jim McKeague
70 Rallye 350
70 Cutlass S W-31


 As for the Nationals pictures, on page 2 the car at the bottom of the page,
 does anyone know if this is the car from the Brothers incident?  Jim
 McKeague, does this look like the same car?
 
 Chris Smetana
 Terre Haute, IN
 http://www.abcs.com/chris >>

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:52:17 -0600
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: edelbrock heads dynoed

The machine shop I use just got a new chassis dyno.  The owner is anxious to
test it so he offered me a deal.  I am going to have my '69 442 convertible
dynoed  next week.  Then I am going to get a set of the Edelbrock heads (in
the next month or so)and have it dynoed again to see what difference they
make.  Anyone interested in the results?

patrickd@wwnet.com

PS: He is hooking up a video camera in his shop and going to connect it to
his internet site so you can watch the dyno live.(the dyno cam)  If anyone
is interested let me know and I will give details as to when and where.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:00:06 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: piston melting equipment

> Greg,

>  I use a standard oxy-fuel torch, with a "rosebud" tip to melt the pistons. 
It only takes a minute or so to melt them down, but
> i make sure the aluminum's good and hot before i pour.

BTW i do do it in my basement.
Dave

>
> > I melt old cast pistons in a flea market cast iron skillet>.
>
> David,
> Sounds like an interesting method.  Curious though,
> by what means are you able to heat the aluminum to
> a liquid state?  Have you a foundry in your basement ;-)
>
> Greg Rollin

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:02:59 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: edelbrock heads dynoed

I would love to see it, email me privately about it
gutlass66@aol.com
kelly erickson
1966 Ye-Ol'-Gutlass-Rustbucket

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:22:25 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp

>
> Harry,

   I hate to admit it, as at the time, i had no idea the car/parts was 
rare/valuable, but...15 years ago i bought a wrecked 73
cutlass 455/4speed for $150. I bought it from the original owner. It was a 
plain jane car with "K" heads, HD [big output shaft]
M-21, 3.42 posi, guages, no console, hub caps.
  It was rusted really bad, and hit hard in the rear end. It had 112K miles, 
but it was well maintained.  The engine had never
been apart, and while I don't know what cam was in it,  it had quite a lope to 
it for a stocker.
 I parted the car out,  and put the motor in my Dad's 74 Grand Prix[fit like a 
glove]. He put 10K miles on it, then my brother
wrecked that car. I had a 69 Chev 3/4 ton pickup with a "J" head 455 that spun 
a bearing a week later, so i put that "K" head
motor in my truck. I ran the living h*ll out of that old motor for a year, 
with 4.10 gears, until it spun a bearing. I junked the
truck, and the motor ended up getting scraped too.
 That was the best running low compression stock 455 i've ever seen.
Dave Brode

>
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:59:54 EST
> From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
> Subject: Is there anyone else out there with a 73 Olds Cutlass 455/4spd
>
>   I would like to exchange info. about those cars.

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:29:08 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better

My 69 convertible had the wing when I got it and at first I was doubtful
about the looks; now I won't give it up. According to the docs I got with
the car it was an original w-35 wing but not original on the car; they came
only on the 69 H/O. I just checked the rake of the wing on the car in the
garage and it is basically horizontal with the ground. Was the 69 H/O
convertible this way?
I haven't seen many people offering an original w-35 wing but Year One,
Fusicks and others have repros for sale. How do you identify an original?
Anyway, you can see what it looks like on my web site listed below.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Sprotten25@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 11:05 PM
Subject: wing/spoiler/make it look better


>What i would like to have (despartely need:-))) is a rear wing/spoiler for
my
>69 cutlass  what i need to know is where can i find one. how much is fair?
>
>Dino

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:41:32 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

I don't know what ya'll are getting but I never get less than 100

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:15 -0800
From: "Steve Elijah" <selijah@eznet.com>
Subject: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:46:09 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

>I just joined the last a week ago and can't believe all this mail.  You
mean
>there was more than this?


I could ask more novice questions if you like.

Speaking of torque for the lug nuts, what should I torque mine?
I just notice the radiator cowling sticker says "meets federal and
California emissions..."--that means this is a "CALIFORNIA CAR" I suppose?
What does that mean to me?  What is different between my car and others?

I keep looking for that "cowl" tag with all those codes and such.  Where the
heck is it?

Anyone mind if I ask even more novice questions?

(I cruising around in my) 72 Vista-Cruiser 350 2bbl

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:52:40 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

i get atleast 100 too, maybe your mail server is limiting the amount of email

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:13:29 -0600
From: Mark <greenmm@earthlink.net>
Subject: Olds in Movies

Since some of you seem so wise as to what cars were in movies,
I got a question for y'all.

  What cars WERE actually used in the movie 'Dazed and Confused'?

I must have watched that movie no less than six times hoping to
see mine, but only got close.  So which ones were used then?

Mark MacDonald
1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible
<http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:06:01 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: edelbrock heads dynoed

patrick derkacz wrote:
> 
> The machine shop I use just got a new chassis dyno.  The owner is anxious to
> test it so he offered me a deal.  I am going to have my '69 442 convertible
> dynoed  next week.  Then I am going to get a set of the Edelbrock heads (in
> the next month or so)and have it dynoed again to see what difference they
> make.  Anyone interested in the results?
> 

Naw, couldn't care less, sounds boring, irrelevant,
a pure waste of bandwidth if ever there was.
Anyone interested in the results?..............
Patrick, I think that qualifies as one of the 
understatements of the year!!  ;-)
YES!!  YES!!  YES!!    
VERY interested in the results!


> patrickd@wwnet.com
> 
> PS: He is hooking up a video camera in his shop and going to connect it to
> his internet site so you can watch the dyno live.(the dyno cam)  If anyone
> is interested let me know and I will give details as to when and where.


The "Dyno cam".  Love it!  Sounds like you've found a
fun shop to work with.  By all means, keep us posted.


 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:48:12 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

>I'm not so sure that Bob would appreciate being referred to as an old
>guy, 

I ment old member not old age.

 >Some of the other more
>prolific members of the list have also been gone for a while, like Chris
>Witt and Bill Culp, while others have gone elsewhere, like Mike
>Frederick, and others have just cut back on their net time.  It was
>normal to expect the volume to drop with the addition of the Cutlass
>list also.  And then Greg has tossed one or two flame fest initiaters
>also reducing traffic.  The latter people I haven't missed at all.


Yup, i noticed that those guys are gone as well. 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:53:46 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

             I get lots of e-mails ( about 50-100). My problem is i don't know
a whole of info from first hand experience. So there isn't much i can really
respond too on my own. I just got a sales catalog for the 1972 Model
oldsmobile, so if i can help anyone with coolrs or possiblel factory options,
i'll do what i can........I have been learning a lot on this list. .....SCOTT 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:58:49 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST(spelling)

      I just looked at my last post, i need to get the spell checker working!!
Plus it is hard to type with a cat on your lap!!!!...........SCOTT

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:00:54 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

........I have been learning a lot on this list. .....SCOTT



Me too.  When I joined a couple of years ago I knew next to nothing.  Since
then I have rebuilt a 455, modified a TH400, changed 3 rear ends, rebuilt
one holly and two Q-jets, done countless tune-ups and tuning for my friends
(and my dads), changed just as many gaskets for those people, etc.  95% of
what I got was from the list and 442.com FAQ.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:58:44 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: edelbrock heads dynoed

>Anyone interested in the results?

I can probably speak for everyone here......YES!!!

Randy

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:11:41 -0800
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds in Movies

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a Duster
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a BAD ASS BRONCO
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aLincoln
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a Vista Cruiser
a VW
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and thats all I can remember

				Paul
				66 F-85
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:24:02 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Dennis' 72 Vista Cruiser

Steve, 
Sure was. Haven't done anything to the Vista Cruiser except put it up for sale
for $2500.It's a great rust free California car.    Just don't have the time
to do anything to it. It is an exceptional car, but I have to many other
important projects. Know anybody interested? 
Dennis
15 Olds'

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:26:15 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70  supreme parts car

Bruce,
Does your Supreme have a vinyl top? If it does I need the trim piece below the
rear window.
Dennis 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:36:05 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Olds in Movies

69 GTO Judge
70 Chevelle SS 396 (454?)
70(?) Superbird 
69 C10 shortbed
69(?) Bronco
71(?) Trans Am 455 w/shaker hood
Red car with early 3rd Gen Camaro 15" aluminum 5 spokes
7? Maverick Grabber
76 El Camino
?? Superbeetle conv.

D*mn, that's all I can remember distinctly.  Now I'm going to have to 
go rent it again!

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

>Since some of you seem so wise as to what cars were in movies,
>I got a question for y'all.
>
>  What cars WERE actually used in the movie 'Dazed and Confused'?
>
>I must have watched that movie no less than six times hoping to
>see mine, but only got close.  So which ones were used then?
>
>Mark MacDonald
>1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale Convertible
><http://home.earthlink.net/~greenmm>

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:59:44 -0800
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: Chris Witt's Email?

Anybody have his current email address?
Thanks,
Hans

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:58:31 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Need Advice: 307 vs others

> I may not be correct, but I told him that if he found a 350
>and built it right, he would get better performance, gas mileage, and
>efficiency over a 307. I know the 307s are very restrictive and not very
>many people desire them. But I am NOT sure, because of this fact, that a
>350 would be a better engine for his application. Can you guys help us?
>-- 
>***********
>Matt Cremean

Matt,  
Better performance, yes.  Better gas mileage, doubtful.  Better efficiency,
subjective.  It all depends on how you build the motor.  There is an 
arguement that when driven with mileage in mind you would have to use 
less throttle with the 350 to stay at the same speed as the 307 with more
throttle BUT the 350 also sucks down more fuel at every throttle position.
When built for max bottom end torque the 350 will have to work that much
less to get that relatively heavy car moving, so you could say it's more 
efficient.  Assuming that the 307 is running correctly you would be lucky
to get the same gas mileage on the open road with the 350.  There are
so many variables on how you build the engine that it's hard to give any
definates.  I definately think the 350 would be a good choice but you also
have to consider local smog laws (if any) before you make any decisions.
Your friend has to decide whats most/least important in the performance/
fuel mileage equation and base a decision off of that.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
72 Cutlass S (RIP)
68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:21 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Need Advice: 307 vs others

Hey, I have a '81 Delta (just as big as the Electra) with 455 in place of a
307.  Anyway, the 307 is a respectable motor but it is a bit too small for a
big car like that.  350 would give him good power and decent mileage.  In
the city it would probable be about the same but on the high-way I doubt it.
It all depends on how he will drive it compared to how he drives it now.  I
can tell you that since the 307, I drive my hard much harder, it has 4 times
the power and 1/4 the mileage.  350 would be a nice motor but the 307 is a
great motor in its own.

Igor Todorovic

1981 Delta 88 4dr (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:29:40 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: wing/spoiler/make it look better

<SNIP>
> garage and it is basically horizontal with the ground. Was the 69 H/O
> convertible this way?
> I haven't seen many people offering an original w-35 wing but Year One,
> Fusicks and others have repros for sale. How do you identify an original?


Yes, the 69 'vert was this way.  

For one thing, the originals are HEAVY.  Usually heavier than the ones
from most aftermarkets (exception, Brother's spoiler feels about the
same weight though).  Another thing, they have the center stud that has
no threads on the center shank.  Which is a fairly large portion of the
stud.  Since just about all fiberglass pieces needed trimming to fit,
even the originals, it'd be hard pressed to tell just by looking at an
installed one.  You need to check weight and the center stud.  I think
all the aftermarket ones use the all thread center stud, but I may be
wrong, haven't purchased all of the kinds....yet.... :)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:13:07 -0800
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: Re: secondary metering rods

> > enough to not want to return once when opened.  This leads to a NASTY
bog
> > when going at WOT from around 20 mph (kicking it into 1st).  I know the
> > engine has some miles on it (102k) and want to do a timing chain and a
RV
> > cam while I am at it but I would need something to drive while said
work
> > goes on, and unfortunately, the '78 is my only car.
> >
> > Mike Jones
> > '78 Delta (350/Th350, 102k)
> 
> Mike,
> Didja check all your vacuum lines? My 75 Delta did the same thing 'till I
installed
> new lines.  Timing chain could do that also. It bogs till it catches up
with
> itself.
> 
It has been a few months since I checked the vacuum lines on my motor, but
last time I checked, most were fine (replaced bad ones then).  My method of
checking is by hooking the hose to a fitting, then using a good long
section of hose hooked up to a vacuum gauge.  I apply a vacuum with my
lungs, and wait for around 10-15 seconds.

Could be timing chain as well, but this carb has probably not been opened
up EVER.  I will check for timing chain 
slack as well.  For all I know, I'm the only one who has opened this motor
up (I think it has been yanked once for a freeze plug replacement) when I
put my intake on it.  Think it's a virgin bore and everything.

Mike Jones
'78 Delra (350/Th350,102k)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:22:28 EST
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile in the movies. WW and the Dixie Dance Kings?

In a message dated 12/11/98 Norval writes:

<<yes charles they did produce a Golden aniv. Olds in 1955 . it is black
 and gold with a lot of extras . I purchesed one in 1961 when I just got
 out of high school and drove the car on my Honey Moon in 1962 , I still
 have the same olds and the same wife , the one that was used in WW
 Wheels and the Dixie Dance Kings was purchesed By Burt Renolds To Do the
 movie and as far as I know he still ownes the car . Burt Renolds lives
 11 miles from me here in Florida and I saw the car about a year ago
 outside his house He was going to sell it but the manager of the
 convient store that Burt Renolds ownes said he did not sell it , that
 was about a year ago. Norval
 nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Well, Bruce (MR57OLDS), looks like we have had a guy lurking on the list that
owns a true legend. And since 1962. That beats me by 13 years.

Norval, you are a stud. Have you actually been sittin' back listening to all
these youngsters talk about the history and legacy of their 442's, and just
chucklin' at them?

Now, I admit that I am pretty hung up on the status of the 57 J2 as an EARLY
Olds musclecar, but DAMN, they never made a movie about it, like they did
Norval's 55
"Golden Anniversary"! It is probably the only certifiable collectable four-
door hot rod.

Tell us more Norval.

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:31:16 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Is this a leaking well plug scenario?

Hi gang!

Quick question; does it sound like this gentleman's well plugs are leaking?

[ (mutilated version)  I have a 1984 307/quadrajet. I have rebuilt the top
half of the carb and the car runs well. The problem I have is starting after
the car has been sitting for about 12-18 hours. It takes perhaps 10 seconds of
cranking before the engine catches.  When I go away in the winter for a couple
of weeks, this will take about 45 seconds of cranking. The car gets good
mileage and emission tests have shown normal values, so I assume there is no
leaking of the jets.  There is no smell of gas so I don't believe gas is
leaking out of the carb.]

Karl guesses well plugs, but has not experienced same.
Are these the symptoms of leaking well plugs?

Thanks!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 04:42:01 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: secondary metering rods

In a message dated 12/12/98 12:15:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, mike@gleep.com
writes:

<< 
 It has been a few months since I checked the vacuum lines on my motor, but
 last time I checked, most were fine (replaced bad ones then).  My method of
 checking is by hooking the hose to a fitting, then using a good long
 section of hose hooked up to a vacuum gauge.  I apply a vacuum with my
 lungs, and wait for around 10-15 seconds.
 
 Could be timing chain as well, but this carb has probably not been opened
 up EVER.  I will check for timing chain 
 slack as well.  For all I know, I'm the only one who has opened this motor
 up (I think it has been yanked once for a freeze plug replacement) when I
 put my intake on it.  Think it's a virgin bore and everything.
 
 Mike Jones
 '78 Delra (350/Th350,102k) >>

     Mike, what was your original post about? I can't even remember now! You
post to get answers, not to get on other topics ( I know, I contribute to the
off-topic stuff) But was it in you original post that your secondaries were
sticking? If so, maybe I can help..one quick vacuum thing...if you have a
constant vacuum leak, the car will tend to run bad at idle, but smooth out at
higher engine temps. I'm sure you already knew this. 
     However, the secondaries sticking could be 3 things in my mind, that I
have seen. The spring for the air valves is tight, binding, or gummed up, the
air horn was tightened down in an incorrect sequence, or, more common if the
secondary metering rods have been removed, replaced, inspected, is that the
hangar is binding somehow. One of my carbs did this, I just loosened the
screw, and opened and closed the valve by hand a couple of times, then
tightened back down, and re-checked. Solved my problem. Just my thoughts, and
figured I ought to try and help, Dorian

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:28:36 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Cool Olds toy?

http://www.etoys.com/html/et/et_hot0175_001.shtml

Looks like something someone would be interested in?

- -- 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:01:48 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: : WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

Igor,
    Don't forget that the G-body guys have thier own list now.  Some
probably recieve mail from here still and G-body list but maybe most have
left this list to go to the G-body list exclusively.  I know what you mean,
this list's traffic has been cut in half!  Oh well, the content is still
here....

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
>
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:51:52 -0700
>From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
>Subject: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST
>
>Lately there does not seem to be as much mail as before.  I remember a year
>back I would get swamped with mail daily.  Now it seems less.  Hmm, anybody
>else.
>

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:29:04 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: What is right with the list?

>     Don't forget that the G-body guys have thier own list now. 

Well, kinda looks like the slow list traffic just got corrected with this 
thread
;)  As for the G-body list part, I'll say that may well be a factor, although I
still see a ton from the Olds list here.  Gotta remember, though, that the
G-body Olds list was formed in large part to ~reduce~ the traffic on the Olds
list here, so I guess we can take pride in the fact that it worked.  Another
large part of the traffic involves non-Olds stuff and
things-that-should-be-private stuff, too.  Imagine how streamlined this thing
could be if everyone "followed the rules"  :)

For what it's worth, it seems like the G-body list has been fairly quiet too,
lately.  I know I've been busier than you-know-what, and with the Holidays so
close, I imagine lots others are busy too.  Since I got my filterring stuff
working here, I read through all the personal stuff first, addressing things as
needed, and then start skimming through the Olds list, G-body list, and Toro
list postings.  Since my time is not very abundant, I usually seek out
"interesting" subject headings, and pretty much delete the rest.  So, I guess I
really can't comment on the ~quantity~ of mail the list is putting out, but I'm
glad to hear it's becoming more managable.  I'm sure the digest folks are 
really
glad, also.

Anyway, 'nuff said for that :)

Oldsmagnet - Charley Buehner @ Sidney Montana |\      |-------|   
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com To mail direct to me |/\|=|  |   |   |
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner See my homepage |\ |=|  |   |   |
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:52:55 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Edmunds Dual Quad Intake f/s

Just found a dual quad intake for sale on ebay.
Not sure of the applcation, but sound like it's for early/mid '50s.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=48156374
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:01:16 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]

how much for the damaged mirror


 jeff

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:41:47 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's Email?

He has an ad on Bryceman's page, new this week. You can find it there.
Peter

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Date: 12 Dec 98 07:34:59 PST
From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
how much for the damaged mirror


 jeff

$20 come get it

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Date: 12 Dec 98 07:40:44 PST
From: bruce suess <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Bruce,
Does your Supreme have a vinyl top? If it does I need the trim piece below the
rear window.
Dennis 


it used to,half to dig through all the trim to take a look
just the one long one?
Bruce 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:51:34 -0500
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 68/69 Console

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:55:57 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp

thanks for the reply...kills me to you that the car ended up as junk,but I
guess it just makes mine rarer..do you remember if the dual snorkle aircleaner
had a 442 decal on it like mine does 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MAGSURV/index.html">HARRYS 73 OLDS CUTLASS</A>
, thanks, Harry 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:02:36 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: UNBOOUNCE: feedback on "power steering services, inc"

I have a box rebuilty by Lee Manufacturing in my 98. I have another generic
rebuild quick ratio box in my Starfire. In theory these cars should steer
the same. They don't.

The Lee mfg. box and high pressure ps pump performance is far superior. Much
better feel than the Starfire. Matter of fact I was thinking about sending
the Starfire box down to them just becuase the 98 is so much better. 

cf

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Beaulieu [mailto:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 4:50 PM
> To: Oldsmobile
> Subject: UNBOOUNCE: feedback on "power steering services, inc"
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	"John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
> Subject: feedback on "power steering services, inc" 
> 
>    Anyone have any experience with a company called "power steering 
> services, inc", that's based in Springfield, MO ? The company website 
> advertises GM steering gear rebuilds and fast ratio 
> conversions for GM 
> A-bodies at a price much lower ($199) than the same service from  
> Global West, Lee, and a few other sources I checked out which charge 
> more like $500. I'm wondering if anyone has used this company and if 
> so what their experience with their products and service has been.
> 
> Thanks for any info you might have on this.
> 
> -John Carri
> 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:09:39 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 cutlass 455/4sp

Thanks for the reply. It kills me to hear that the car ended up as junk, but I
guess that just makes mine rarer.Do you remember if the dual snorkle air
cleaner had a 442 decal on it like my 73 does. 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MAGSURV/index.html">HARRYS 73 OLDS CUTLASS</A>
Thanks Harry

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:51:34 -0400
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: RE: feedback on "power steering services, inc"

I've had my box and pump redone by Lee and although I have not used it on
the road as of yet (still completing frame-off) I was very pleased by what
I got back.  Also the tech at Lee was excellent.  I had shopped and asked
around before deciding on them.

jp



>I have a box rebuilty by Lee Manufacturing in my 98. I have another generic
>rebuild quick ratio box in my Starfire. In theory these cars should steer
>the same. They don't.
>
>The Lee mfg. box and high pressure ps pump performance is far superior. Much
>better feel than the Starfire. Matter of fact I was thinking about sending
>the Starfire box down to them just becuase the 98 is so much better.
>
>cf

>> From:	"John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
>> Subject: feedback on "power steering services, inc"
>>
>>    Anyone have any experience with a company called "power steering
>> services, inc", that's based in Springfield, MO ? The company website
>> advertises GM steering gear rebuilds and fast ratio
>> conversions for GM
>> A-bodies at a price much lower ($199) than the same service from
>> Global West, Lee, and a few other sources I checked out which charge
>> more like $500. I'm wondering if anyone has used this company and if
>> so what their experience with their products and service has been.
>>
>> Thanks for any info you might have on this.
>>
>> -John Carri
>>

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:14:17 EST
From: RAC5419@aol.com
Subject: 1950 Olds Coupe

Went out on some Saturday morning errands and saw this parked 3 blocks from
home. I know some have said there's not much on the list regarding pre-60
Olds', so since you guys deserve some bandwidth too... besides this car looks
pretty cool.

1950 Olds Coupe For Sale
68 455 rebuilt and balanced, Crane Cam, Cyclone Headers, Edelbrock Intake,
Accel Ignition, S-W Gauges, 12 Volt Conversion, A00 trans, Stage II Shift Kit,
Hurst Slapstick

$7900

The car has good looking front seats and no rear seat. The rear is covered
with an upholstery looking black cloth cover from floor to rear window. The
red paint (Maaco quality IMHO) is at least a few years old and chipped in some
spots, but I saw no dings or dents. The chrome looks good, but has some dark
spots. The sign said no rust or "putty" and "fast". There is an "88" on the
chrome piece over the rear tail lights. This part looks like a miniature tail
fin like the mid 50 to late 50's cars had. It had antique plates dated
December 94 (In Illinois antique plates are good for a few years so this may
be a current plate  here). It also had a vehicle sticker in the window for
Hometown, IL dated 1986. Karl did you see this one as a youngster (in the
80's, not 50's no flame on your age intended)?     

If anyone is interested the number is 630-960-5306. Its located about 5 miles
from    I-355 and I-55 SW of Chicago. Usual desclaimers, I don't know the
owner.

Dick Compton
72 442 Convertible
RAC5419@AOL 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:33:37 +0000
From: krzy4evr@usit.net
Subject: Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car]

Subject:       Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car]

Ok folks, enough is enough...!!! If you must reply to Bruce about his parts 
car (70 
Olds Supreme), let's do so via PRIVATE e-mail and stop cluttering the already 
"post 
saturated list" with these inquiries about mirrors, trim, lint under the seats 
and 
so forth..!! Bruce has his personal e-mail address in his posts, so PLEASE use 
it so 
all the rest of the "uninterested" participants won't have to wade and delete, 
wade 
and delete throught these frivilous posts..!!!

Off the soapbox for now....

Mike..............


oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Bruce,
Does your Supreme have a vinyl top? If it does I need the trim piece below the
rear window.
Dennis 


it used to,half to dig through all the trim to take a look
just the one long one?
Bruce 

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:44:02 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: parts for sale 

I need to get rid of the following Olds parts



"The Parts Place" disk brake kit, New Never used

2: 64-72 A-body disk brake spindles (the ones that actually fit without
control arm work)
2: caliper mounting brackets
2: backing plates
2: disk brake hoses
Fedral Mogal wheel bearings with seals,thrust washers and dust caps
2: rebuilt calipers
2: rotors
1: Wagner combination valve

also contains
2: used disk brake mounting brackets
2: year one hose clips

I'd like to sell this as a unit for $500

Year-One 13/16" 1966 centerlink new $100, buy the link get tie-rod
 adjuster sleeves  free :)

1966 power steering box. condition: greesy and supossedly in good shape
$35

manual steering box. condition: greesy and supossedly in good shape
$35

used 1966 A-body control arms (will most likely need bushings and ball joints)
$80 for the set

bob149@uswest.net
1-509-838-1087

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:55:35 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Alternator still high

>Find out why, regulator bad?  Bad wire to the regulator so it thinks it
sees
>9 volts, cranks it up to 15 just so it can see 12?
>
>Yes, you will boil the electrolyte out of it, so keep it below 15 at the
>most, and that for a short time.


I agree with that assessment.
Where are you measuring at...the Alt terminal, or the battery itself? 15V on
the battery is a tad high. The alt may be that high if there's a high
resistance between it and the battery.

drc

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:06:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Take Transactions Private Please

Someone else already commented on it, but I need to remind folks --
especially new members -- that any transactions re. buying or selling of
parts should be taken to private email. The list is to be used for the
initial posting of parts needs or offers of stuff for sale, but after that
we'd all appreciate it if it was taken to private email. We don't need to
see it. Thanks! 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:33:55 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE LIST

>Lately there does not seem to be as much mail as before.  I remember a year
>back I would get swamped with mail daily.  Now it seems less.  Hmm, anybody
>else.


Gotta be kidding. I Just breezed thru 389 new messages, altho I haven't
downloaded mail in 3 days.

"Deleted Items" folder now shows 477 UNREAD messages, with 713 total. Oldest
one is 12/7/98, 8:30 pm. That's less than 4 days.

drc

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:54 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: reply to: ADMIN: Take Transactions Private Please

Which means that you really should make sure you post your addressin your
post if a private reply may be necessary...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:44:52 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: F41 suspension package

What makes the F41 suspension different from the regular Cutlass
suspension?  Are the springs different?  I found a 85 Brougham in the
junkyard today that has the rear sway bar and a gargantuan front sway
bar (when compared to mine anyway) and I am interested in getting both
of them for my car since I don't have the rear--would these sway bars be
indicitave of a F41?  If so (or even if not) what should I take from the
car to have a full F41 package?
Brian.
Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
> 
> > Yes there is a huge difference in the steering between a Salon and a
> > 442.
> 
> This is true in many cases, but not necessarily with *every* case.  Read 
on...
>  :-)
> 
> > as he has also driven  mine.  The steering is much tighter on mine and
> > you have to turn his wheel about twice that of mine to make the same
> > turn.  His feels like my old full size 86 paraisanne wagon. He says the
> > same.  The suspension also feels much different because mine has a much
> > more road hugging feel especially over bumps. Mine holds the road firmly
> > where his soart of floats over them.
> 
> It sounds like his car doesn't have the F41 suspension package, like the 442
> does.  Like I said, many times, a 442 will have much tighter handling and
> steering over more modest G-bodies, but not necessarily.  The F41 suspension
> package was available on all Cutlass models.  Like Mark Tupper earlier said,
> the F41 package on the 442 is the same as you'd get on any other Cutlass.  My
> Calais *does* have the F41 package and there is a huge difference between it
> and other vehicles.  The steering box with this car is super quick (12.7:1,
> whether you have a 442 or a base-model Cutlass with F41), quicker even than 
the
> 5-liter Mustang my dad used to have.  I was surprised by that.  My car is
> certainly the quickest-steering car of any we have at home...and also the 
best
> handling.
> 
> So, yeah, between a 442 and a non-F41'd Cutlass, there is a big difference.
>  But, if that other Cutlass has F41, the only difference between the 442 and
> that F41'd Cutlass (suspension-wise) would be the rear air shocks, again, 
like
> Mark pointed out earlier today.
> 
> Jason K. Adcock
> Blacksburg, VA
> ICQ: 5860857
> E-mail: jadcock@vt.edu
> http://members.xoom.com/jadcock
> 
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:51:59 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: edelbrock heads dynoed

In a message dated 12/11/98 10:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
patrickd@wwnet.com writes:

<< He is hooking up a video camera in his shop and going to connect it to
 his internet site so you can watch the dyno live.(the dyno cam)  If anyone
 is interested let me know and I will give details as to when and where.
 
 
  >>
Patrick,

Very interested,  let me know details - Also pls inquire for me what he is
planning 
on charging for dyno runs. 

Thanks
Rob Thomas

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:51:44 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension package

    I got my Delta 88 used so the previous guy already made some changes.
But my Delta has the f-41 and posi.  I am not sure if those will fit on
yours but my friend has a '86 Cutlass with F-41 and believe it or not my
delta would out handle  and out-ride his car any day.  I do have wider tires
and stiffer coils in the back, although they are worn.  I plan on new TRW
rear station wagon coils, coil-over-shocks, and 1.5" lower suspension so
that should stiffen it up.  Also, polyurethane end-links and sway bar
bushings to start.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:58:58 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Loud Fan

Hi All,

My 86 Cutlass 307 (Y) has got the loudest fan I have ever heard.  It is
only loud when you first put the car in drive and go through first and
half of second gear.  If you stop at a light and go the fan makes no
noise, but if you shut it off and start it back up, whether it is hot or
cold, the fan will roar but only in the first 1 1/2 gears.  After that
it makes no more noise until it has been shut off and started back, and
on and on.  I've never seen another one do this.  What causes it, and
can it be fixed easily enough or should it just be left alone?
Thanks,
Brian.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:04:56 -0600
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension package

>What makes the F41 suspension different from the regular Cutlass

This is from my factory literature for the $41(!) F41 option.

* Level II Firm Ride and Handling Suspension System, Includes: Firm Ride
Front and Rear Shock Absorbers, Higher Rate Front and Rear Springs, Larger
Front Stabilizer Bar (1.25 in. Diameter), Rear Stabilizer Bar (.875 in.
Diameter) and Special Steering Gear 12.70:1 Steering Ratio.

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
mtupper@palacenet.net    http://cyberglyphs.com/442/
Olds G-body Mailing List   http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:13:19 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Loud Fan

I had a real loud fan on one of my Oldses just before the clutch went on it.
This may have been coincidence, but it didn't seem like it.  It got quiet
again after I replaced the clutch.  You have a clutch fan, yes?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Brian Shankle
Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 1:59 PM
To: olds_gbody@listbot.com; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Loud Fan


Hi All,

My 86 Cutlass 307 (Y) has got the loudest fan I have ever heard.  It is
only loud when you first put the car in drive and go through first and
half of second gear.  If you stop at a light and go the fan makes no
noise, but if you shut it off and start it back up, whether it is hot or
cold, the fan will roar but only in the first 1 1/2 gears.  After that
it makes no more noise until it has been shut off and started back, and
on and on.  I've never seen another one do this.  What causes it, and
can it be fixed easily enough or should it just be left alone?
Thanks,
Brian.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:23:11 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: 350 better than 425?

Hi, I was talking to my mechanic the other night about installing a new tranny
in my car.  I told him that I planned to swap the 350 for a 425, and he said
it was a bad idea, since in his opinion the 350 is a better motor than the 425
or 455.  He didn't really go into details though, anyone else have a view on
this?
thanks,
DrkSole96 
73 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:38:14 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: 70  supreme parts car answered]]

hi give me your address  and i'll send you a check....

how' s the housing????

shipping should'nt be more than $5 

thank jeff

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:40:55 -0500
From: "Ray Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: 350 better than 425?

I don't know about the 425 or 455, but I think the general concensus among
mechanics is that the Olds 350 was an excellent engine.  I know they all
favor it over the oil burning Buick 350!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
Bucks County, PA
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of DrkSole96@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 1998 2:23 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 350 better than 425?


Hi, I was talking to my mechanic the other night about installing a new
tranny
in my car.  I told him that I planned to swap the 350 for a 425, and he said
it was a bad idea, since in his opinion the 350 is a better motor than the
425
or 455.  He didn't really go into details though, anyone else have a view on
this?
thanks,
DrkSole96
73 Cutlass Supreme

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