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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, November 17 1998     Volume 01 : Number 1607



Re: Headers
Re: Parts Question
Part Needed - Intake
Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?
Body work and another question
?
UNBOUNCE: RE: Coker Wheel
SSII's
260 V8
Re: SSII's
Re: Headers
455 in Chevy truck
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
dead cutlass question
Re: killer 442
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
HELP! Small block questions.
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
Re: 68-75+ Olds Parts
67 Big Olds  (Was: ?)
only scumbags STEAL Olds parts
Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing
Re: Nobody? (wind wing)
Re: Nobody? (wind wing)
Re: 67 Big Olds  (Was: ?)
Re: 455 Lower Radiator hose
Re: killer 442
Re: dead cutlass question
Cutlass Options
Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing
Re: killer 442
HEADS >>  Heat Riser Filling.
Re: killer 442
Re: killer 442
Re: killer 442
Re: Part Needed - Intake
Re: Cutlass Options
Re: only scumbags STEAL Olds parts
Re: killer 442
UNBOUNCE: Small Block Questions
does anyone have a picture of the front of the 455 engine? thankx N/M
thanks dave, ...and another question inside.
green courtesy/dash light lenses needed.
Rallye 350 stripes/location dimensions
Re: only scumbags STEAL Olds parts
Re: SSII's
Re: SSII's
Re: 455 in Chevy truck
Re: thanks dave, ...and another question inside.
Re: does anyone have a picture of the front of the 455 engine? thankx	 
N/M
Re: SSII's
Re: replacing brake hose
Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing
Is this a Good Story or a Sad Story?
Craftsman tools (was: replacing brake hose)
Re: Is this a Good Story or a Sad Story?
Re: Craftsman tools (was: replacing brake hose)
Re: Parts Question
Re: Ga VS J heads
Re: Headers
Re: green courtesy/dash light lenses needed.
Front Clip (was RE: Parts Question)
RE: SSII's
Re: killer 442

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:13:18 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Headers

Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I just have a quick question for you guys.  I have a set of headers for my 
350
> that I want to clean up.  Can you sandblast headers?  A few people I've 
talked
> to have said yes and a few have said no, so I'll leave it up to you guys.  
Any
> answers would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Steve O
> CutW29@aol.com

We sandblasted and coated my headers before we put them back on my car.
Hope this helps.

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***************************
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
*******************************************
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:05:56 EST
From: Sprotten25@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts Question

the core support 

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:15:14 PST
From: "Shadow Fox" <ladykitsu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Part Needed - Intake

Greetings everyone - 
   I just figured I would go through quickly and ask around here (even 
though I have it listed on 442.com).  I need to purchase an intake 
manifold for a 455...The kicker is that it has to be from one *earlier* 
than the one that is currently on there which I looked up on the FAQ as 
being made between 70 & 72 (ID #404521)...The problem is that Once upon 
a time, when the mechanic screwed up my early model 455 block, they 
replaced it with the later model 455.  Normally no biggie...Well not 
until my Carb died.  I scraped up the money to get it fixed but found 
out that since it is an early Qjet there isn't any real way to get the 
choke hooked up and working properly.  I had the option of rigging the 
choke which solution would have me cut through my air cleaner, purchase 
a new carb (that will fit the intake), or purchase a new intake to match 
the carb...Since the carb was just rebuilt and I really don't want 
something rigged (not to mention a whole in the cleaner)...That leaves 
me with one option....

Can anyone help????

Thanks
Laura

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:19:14 EST
From: MNManiac@aol.com
Subject: Re: '80 Cutlass w/ a 268 engine?

In a message dated 11/16/98 5:01:42 PM Central Standard Time, kerryk@CWIX.com
writes:

<< the 268 engine was a pontiac product they traded for the 260 olds engine
 more strange but true tales...KK >>

Wasn't that a 265? I remember in the early 80s, every GM division had it's own
"mini-8."  Olds 260, Chevy 267, Pontiac 265.  Buick, of course, was the
division that made the 231 V-6 and was pushing it hard...so they didn't have a
"mini-8."

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:23:23 PST
From: "Shadow Fox" <ladykitsu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Body work and another question

One more thing about the intake mess....Besides this deal with the choke 
not matching up can I expect any more problems down the road with the 
'mismatched' engine/carb?

About the Body work, can anybody reccommend a good beginners book for 
learning some body work?  I'm not sure I want to tackle some of the 
dents, though I might be willing to try...Mostly I want suggestions that 
will help a lot with preping the car before painting (very minor surface 
rust and a few rusty nicks and scratches).  I want to save as much as 
possible on the repairs but don't want to screw up either (espcially 
taking off the moulding, since 98% of it is in excellent shape). I'd 
appriciate any suggestions

Thanks!
Laura
66 Delta 88 aka Pook

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:23:09 EST
From: Bassman215@aol.com
Subject: ?

I have a 67 Olds Delmont 88 and I can't find any info on it at all.  The
little bit of info I have found is good, but there just isn't very much of it.
If anyone can lead me to some web sites books or anything with history about
the car or anything else about it I would appreciate it.  Also I would like
some info on parts dealers that have engine parts for the 425 big block.
Thanks for your time.

God Bless,
    Casey

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:28:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: RE: Coker Wheel

Not on the list, respond to Boccadifuoco_Roy_A@bns.att.com

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Boccadifuoco_Roy_A@bns.att.com
Subject: RE: Coker Wheel

I went on the Coker web-site and clicked on the vintage wheel and rim
icon.  The picture shown under SSII definitely looks like an all chrome
SSIII.  When I called Vintage Tire, the number listed below, they said
that the SSIII were too new and had no information like bolt pattern
that's why what you see is listed under SSII.  I believe that the all
chrome version of the SSII is the SSIII that we all know & love.  =20

Since they had no information on the SSIII, can anyone who knows for
sure let me know what the bolt pattern is on a SSIII.  Is it the same as
a SSII?  If so then you can buy these so-called SSIIs in all chrome for
$135 apiece in a 15X8 and paint the inserts and have yourself a repro
SSIII.  According to Vintage, the way to measure bolt pattern is to pick
a bolt hole and measure from the center of that hole to the center of
the 3rd hole-you would skip the second hole.

By the way, I asked if these were done by the original manufacturer and
was told they were not, but that they were made to O.E.M specs which is
evident in the photo.

Thanks,
Roy Boccadifuoco
boccadifuoco@att.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:33:07 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: SSII's

Greetings list,

Is it true that the 401 motor out of my 72 Jeep Commando is the same one
that's in my grandfather's Buick?   JUST Kidding!!!!  Lately I've been
having dreams about at all those 455 posts  :)

Anyway, my real question is:  SSII's were only painted grey, I seem to
recall.  I have a pair of SSII's on my 67 Convertible, but I had them
sandblasted and painted white to match the car.  Do I get to tell all my
friends I have SSII's that are painted white, or are they now really
SSIII's?

Thanks, 

Art

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:38:27 EST
From: MDWENZEL1@aol.com
Subject: 260 V8

Do you know if the 260 V8 used in a 1975 Buick Skylark is the same as the 350
only bored smaller?

Thank you,

Jason Wenzel

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:48:40 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: SSII's

> friends I have SSII's that are painted white, or are they now really
> SSIII's?

NOW they are "SSIII's".  Or, SSII's painted body color.  You're choice.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:49:38 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Headers

I don't see why not, maybe not inside to keep them smooth but why not
outside.  If I were you, get them blasted, then hot tanked (remove any dirt
and crap from inside) and them give them a few coats of header paint.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: November 16, 1998 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Headers


>Cutw29@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I just have a quick question for you guys.  I have a set of headers for
my 350
>> that I want to clean up.  Can you sandblast headers?  A few people I've
talked
>> to have said yes and a few have said no, so I'll leave it up to you guys.
Any
>> answers would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Steve O
>> CutW29@aol.com
>
>We sandblasted and coated my headers before we put them back on my car.
>Hope this helps.
>
>--
>***********
>Matt Cremean
>mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
>***************************
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 V-8 4 bbl)
>1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (250 I-6 1 bbl)
>1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (350 V-8 2 bbl)
>1983 Ch*vrolet C*price (305 V-8 4 bbl)
>*******************************************
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
>*******************************************
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:55:03 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 455 in Chevy truck

I really need a truck, and since Olds never made one, I would like to do the
next best thing.  Drop a good street 455 (hi compression for propane) in a
late '70s early '80 shortbox Chevy truck.  The truck should easily take the
455/th400 combo I think and maybe even be able to run some headers.
455/th400/3.43s would be optimal for me for a shortbox truck.  Just
wondering has anyone done this and what motor mounts would I have to use.
Thanks.  Igor.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:14:36 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

A friend of mine has just completed a similar swap into a '68 chevy, although 
he
used a B*ick 455 for the task.  His combo retained the stock 3.73's but uses a
700R4 w/adapter plate to make it more livable on the expressway.  For motor
mounts, he simplmodified a set of factory B-body B*ick mounts by welding one
additional ear on them and then drilling his cross member to match.  The combo
runs out very nicely but does have this annoying habit of wearing out back 
tires
at a rapid rate....  :-)
Just my .02
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a 'glide :-(
'75 Supreme - project car....
'82 Supreme - SB, 700R4, 3.73's - Grin!
'86 Supreme - V-8 - daily driver...

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:

> I really need a truck, and since Olds never made one, I would like to do the
> next best thing.  Drop a good street 455 (hi compression for propane) in a
> late '70s early '80 shortbox Chevy truck.  The truck should easily take the
> 455/th400 combo I think and maybe even be able to run some headers.
> 455/th400/3.43s would be optimal for me for a shortbox truck.  Just
> wondering has anyone done this and what motor mounts would I have to use.
> Thanks.  Igor.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:24:21 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

In a message dated 11/16/98 5:57:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< I really need a truck, and since Olds never made one, I would like to do
the
 next best thing.  Drop a good street 455 (hi compression for propane) in a
 late '70s early '80 shortbox Chevy truck.  The truck should easily take the
 455/th400 combo I think and maybe even be able to run some headers.
 455/th400/3.43s would be optimal for me for a shortbox truck.  Just
 wondering has anyone done this and what motor mounts would I have to use.
 Thanks.  Igor. >>

     As you know, GM used the Olds 350 diesel in the trucks until the advent
of the 6.2 diesel. Many people converted the 350 diesel's to 455's when the
Olds diesels invariable broke. (no dig on Olds there) Never dealt with the
455's, but I bet the regular Olds motor mounts for the 350 diesel are in the
right spot. Hard part MIGHT be finding the right TH400 with the Olds pattern
400 to fit the driveshaft. I know there are diesel Olds trucks out there,
there is one in the wrecking yard by my house. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:47:02 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

> Hard part MIGHT be finding the right TH400 with the Olds pattern
> 400 to fit the driveshaft.

That's the easy part.  I'm using an adapter plate to mate a 71 OG 442
tranny behind a Chevy 502 in my GMC truck.  If it were an Olds engine,
I'd just have to remove the adapter plate.  Works like a charm.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:51:03 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: dead cutlass question

   Mom fried  her cutlass today (blew a head gasket) and is going to drive the
caddy from now on.  Couple of questions.  I haven't paid too much attention to
the car because she hasn't had it for very long.  It was given to her to drive
until it died and it would have lived a while longer provided her boyfriend
kept the radiator full.....anyway she made it to work ok then came the steam
from under the hood.  Is the head ruined from the heat to the point of no
revival?  The reason I ask is because now I will probably get the car for
parts.  Should I save the heads, the whole motor, the water pump,
radiator......anything?  The car by the way is a very rusty 1983 Cutlass
Supreme Brougham.  Maroon w/ maroon interior and a V-8.  Oh ya, what motor do
you suppose this is?  It's got a little pep but not a 350.  It has a/c, tilt
cruise, no "T" tops, column shifter...the frame is junk for sure because I can
see almost through the frame just behind the rear wheels....  opinions
please....


Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,   Nebraska  (Home of the Cornhuskers, too bad they suck !)
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (mom's)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:56:52 -0500
From: "Steve C" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Re: killer 442

Everyone ever made
- -----Original Message-----
From: DonziKel@aol.com <DonziKel@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 2:08 PM
Subject: killer 442


>Was there ever a killer 442?

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:03:49 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

>     As you know, GM used the Olds 350 diesel in the trucks until the

DUHH.  Oh, I can't belive I forgot about that.  I put a 455 in my '81 Delta
using 307 motor mounts, works great.  I belive that using the 350 disel
mounts, the 455 would drop in easy.  Get a long-tail TH400 (from a '70s big
olds car) and all is well.  Thanks a lot.  God bless the olds disels (may
they rest in peace, but donate their blocks to olds projects).

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:06:23 EST
From: DOBIEHUT@aol.com
Subject: HELP! Small block questions.

Hello.

I am a recent subscriber to the Olds list and most of what I've seen applies
to big block build-ups.

I am looking for manifold and carburetor combination recommendations.  I
currently have the Edelbrock Performer with a Holley 750 vacuum secondary.  I
am not happy with this setup, and would like to possibly go with a single
plane manifold and perhaps a mechanical linkage carb.  I am not concerned with
what brand I have, so much as that I obtain the optimum combination to make
everything work together.  

My engine is a 350 with 10.25:1 Forged Pistons bored .030, Crane Commander Hi-
Intensity Cam, Trans Specialties 350TH with 3,000+ stall, and 12 bolt 4.10
Richmond Gear.

My heads are currently in the shop getting oversized valves, exhaust ports
filled/separated, screw in studs with roller tip rockers.

Any help would be appreciated.  Please respond to me personally, as I am on
digest and it is taking much time to go through all these archives!  Thank
you.

John

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:15:23 -0500
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

Igor,

I have a 1977 3/4 ton Chevy 4X4 with an 86 S-10 Chevy body on it powered with a
'72 Olds 455.  I previously had a stroked BBC in it but converted to the 455
which required that I purchase an adapter plate from JEG's which allowed me to
mate the Olds engine to the Chevy transmission (TH400).  The transmission
alignment pins and the lower transmission bolts are the same between the Chevy
engine and the Olds engine while the remaining holes are positioned slightly
different which is why the adapter plate is needed.  The engine is moved back 
in
the chassis 36" so I had to make my own crossmember/motor mounts.

In addition, my father has an '81 Chevy truck also 455 Olds powered (formerly a
diesel) which has the transmission with the BOP style bellhousing already in
place.  In the early '80's the Olds diesels were used in these trucks which
explains why this tranny is in the truck.   This also makes them an ideal for
doing an Olds/gas conversion.  Even if you're not using a former diesel truck,
the std. Olds motor mounts should work with only the drilling of the 
crossmember
required.  He's also running dual exh. with a set of stock exhaust manifolds
with the cross-over capped.  These fit fine.




Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.


"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:

> I really need a truck, and since Olds never made one, I would like to do the
> next best thing.  Drop a good street 455 (hi compression for propane) in a
> late '70s early '80 shortbox Chevy truck.  The truck should easily take the
> 455/th400 combo I think and maybe even be able to run some headers.
> 455/th400/3.43s would be optimal for me for a shortbox truck.  Just
> wondering has anyone done this and what motor mounts would I have to use.
> Thanks.  Igor.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:34:15 EST
From: CNC40@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68-75+ Olds Parts

 do u reply when someone e-mails you?how about those side marker lights? do u
still have them? do u want to sell them?help me out.
 give me a call or e-mail me 
       (305) 821-8297
       cnc40@aol.com
       70 cutlass conv.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:52:15 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 67 Big Olds  (Was: ?)

> I have a 67 Olds Delmont 88 and I can't find any info on it at all.

Casey, et al.

Don't have much on the Delmont (did Lisa M have one of those?????) but I do 
have
a 67 Ninety Eight, with the drop top...  Few minor differences between them,
seems the Delmont had a much higher production number.  Anyway, pics of the 98
can be seen here:

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/6798conv.htm

Kinda rough, but there it is...  :)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:55:34 -0800 (PST)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: only scumbags STEAL Olds parts

Hi everyone,
          I have a friend that has a 76 Delta 98 , today some scum bag
decided they needed the left hand chrome tail light bezel more than he
did. This was very upsetting, so if anyone else has one....and
possibly a tail light for same, please contact me direct at :
super442@yahoo.com
  
       TIA, John

==
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  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442 
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:22:22 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing

>>No experience with the other GM makes, but Caddy's may have used them more
>>often than B-O-P cars...........................................
>
><snipped>
>
>
>Lotsa early to mid eighties GM & Chevy trucks came with Q-jets (pickups,
>K-Blazers, Suburbans)
>


And Camaro's and T/A's, and Caprice's, etc... Just about anything with a
bowtie 305. All electronic after 1980, not worth squat without an ECM.

I went searching reference material to see if any GM's had 350's with
electronic carbs, figuring on putting one on a Rocket some day. Found most
likely suspects to be Blazers, and police issue Impalas. Seems carburetted
350's went bye-bye circa 1979.

'Course my reference material wasn't all-encompassing (Purolator air filter
cross ref guide)...

drc

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:16:47 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Nobody? (wind wing)

>

Nope, the wind wings I am refering to are the ones that open up right
infront of the driver/passenger windows. The "wind wings" as I know them to
be called are more commenly used by smokers trying to keep warm in the
winter and still feeding their habit, and keeping the air somewhat clean
inside their cars... Anybody got a clue on how to remove them from the door
frame?Thanks, Ben

> Gosh I wish I can help you.  I don't even know what a wind wing is.  Are
> you talking about a rear spoiler?  If so, did you want to remove the tips?
>
> In all of the e-mail I have seen no one has mentioned any disassembly
> process.  Maybe they are glued on?  I probably wasted bandwidth here.
> Sorry.
>
> --
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442 SC - Frosty
> 68 442 HT - Scarlet
> 68 442 HT - Saffron
> 82 DRB    - Dr. "B"
> http://www.catalina-inter.net/mrada

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:20:57 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Nobody? (wind wing)

First, I'd like to thank Thomas for getting me a direction to head in. Now,
Mike I would greatly appreciate your info from the body manual. As far as
asking loudly... I had tried once and not even 1 reply came back with
thoughts or questions on what I was refering to. I apologize if I wasn't
clear enough in my description, but sometimes (specially in the Marines)
you have to shout just to wake people up to see what you are talking about
or asking info about. Thanks for all support, I do ask nicely alot, but
really needed assistance with this as quickly as possible and the list has
done so wonderfully! Thanks, Ben

Mike Rothe. wrote:

> Ben wrote:
> >
> > Here is the question AGAIN!!!
>
> Pretend this is normal customer service.  Asking louder doesn't
> necessarily mean you'll get a response.  We can answer that question.
> If you give me a while to thumb through my body manual here, I can tell
> you step by step on how to remove the side vent window.  I gotta run in
> a bit, but can answer it when I get back.
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:16:12 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Big Olds  (Was: ?)

The Oldsmagnet comments on the Delmont series:

I have the '67 Delta 88 - the Delmonts kissing cousin. Less trim and some
different interior touchs maybe, but no body difference.  There's a pic of
mine on my page or Bryceman's owners gallery ~ or whatever he's calling it
lately:-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible,  '72
Vista Cruiser, '80 GMC 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:25:47 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Lower Radiator hose

><< I was putting the lower radiator hose on my Rallye and the hose seemed
>awfully loose. Aren't the radiator hoses supposed to fit snugly? This hose is
>supposed to be the correct one for a 455, which is what I have. Any comments?
>>>

I've never had a lower hose for an Olds fit right.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:33:07 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: killer 442

Hehe, Not what I ment. The killer 442 in 1965 i have heard came with the 390hp
425ci, is this true? I heard about it from my dad and one of his friends, did
this supercar really exhist? (1965 66 or 7, thats all i rememebr)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:33:19 -0800
From: Bob Blanchard <bob149@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: dead cutlass question

  Is the head ruined from the heat to the point of no
>revival?

This is realy going to be checked to see if it is good.
Most likely the gasket gave way before the head did.

> Oh ya, what motor do you suppose this is?  It's got a little pep but not
a 350. 

It is probably a 307.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:50:03 -0200
From: BRIAN SHANKLE <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Cutlass Options

I would like to know what sort of rare, or at least not so common,
options were availible on the '86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham.  Mostly I am
interested in the rear sway bar.  What sort of handling differences does
one make, if any?  Also, did the cutlass ever come with interior lights
for the rear seat like the Caddy's and some of the Grand Prix's?  I
would like to find a set if they were availible as an option on these
cars.  Right now the car is untouched as far as options goes, except
that power trunk release I got from a Riviera.  It is a great
convenience and if anyone needs to know how to do this, E-Mail me
privately.  Other than PW, PDL, tilt, and cruise, what else might I add
to make this car truly loaded.  Where may I go on the web, or anywhere
else to find a complete options list for this car.
Thanks in advance,
Brian.  

RANDY A GEISEL wrote:
> 
> FWIW, There's also a Harry's-U-Pull-It off of rte 61 in Shoemakersville, PA.
> I don't know if it's the same Harry or not.
> The one on rte 81 is off of exit 40 at Hazleton.
> 
> Has anyone in northeastern PA, ever tried the You Pull It type yard by
> Scranton. It's like the whole side of a mountain covered in cars. I called
> once and they said thay had 10,000 + cars there. I was just curious as I've
> never had the time to stop and check them out.
> 
> Randy
> 
> > I just remember however that it's the Hazleton exit
> >off of I-81.  It may have been exit number 40, can't remember.  I know
> >it's right in the vicinity of where (PA)309 intersects with it.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:10:38 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing

In a message dated 11/16/98 7:57:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
david.cullen@snet.net writes:

<<  Seems carburetted
 350's went bye-bye circa 1979.
  >>

    Not so. They used them all the way up to FI. They had to. The trucks had
the 5.7 as an option up until the body style change (1987 or 91, depending on
which "truck") My '83 305 has a Quad, and my friends '83 350 has a carb, no
computer (at least for the carb) though. I bet '84 or so and up trucks have
the computer controlled Quadrajets
                                                                           Dor
ian

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:21:03 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: killer 442

When I used to live down in Dallas the guy at Texas 442's showed me a
red '67 post coupe with a 425 Toro motor dropped in it.  Was a pretty
fast mover......

Art

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:21:01 -0500
From: "Arnold, W D" <w.d.arnold@lmco.com>
Subject: HEADS >>  Heat Riser Filling.

Has anyone here filled their exhaust heat risers with plain ole everyday
aluminum?  Do I have to use Zinc-Aluminum Alloy?

What's the best way to melt the stuff down?  << All I have is a handheld
propane torch....

I have been told that one mod is worth 16 HP... 
Anybody know for sure about the HP gain?

Thanks,
Donny

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:37:11 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: killer 442

WHAT is "Texas 442s" and WHY havn't I heard of it before?

Eagerly waiting in TEXAS,

At 11:21 PM 11/16/98 , you wrote:
>When I used to live down in Dallas the guy at Texas 442's showed me a
>red '67 post coupe with a 425 Toro motor dropped in it.  Was a pretty
>fast mover......
>
>Art
> 
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:58:01 EST
From: DonziKel@aol.com
Subject: Re: killer 442

I'm talking about straight out of the factory, i dotn think it was real...

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:14:01 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: killer 442

Their web address is:http://www.flash.net/~texas442/

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:25:33 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Part Needed - Intake

Hi Laura,
	I hate to be the grinch but here goes:

	I think it would help if people who are seeking or selling large items
would include where they are located.  I believe what you need is pretty
common (a divorced choke intake) and I have a couple but the shipping
costs on it would be prohibitive.  

	If you are near Calgary and what you are looking for is a divorced
choke intake and you don't care if it's exactly the correct casting then
I may have one to sell.  Otherwise, I'm sure someone closer has one.

<flame suit on>

PS: Did it work with the newer manifold after the engine swap? 
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:52:24 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Options

> I would like to know what sort of rare, or at least not so common,
> options were availible on the '86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham. 

Well, one of the less common options that comes to mind is the fender mounted
indicator lamps (of which I've seen ~two~ ever.)  Yes, the rear interior lights
are fairly common, at least on T-top cars.  Not sure if they ever went in
solid-roofed cars, though.  If you're looking for total option bonanza, check
out my Rockit on my web page (below)  I've got just about everything in it... 
Most were ~not~ offerred as factory options, though...  Ya might post the
question to the G-body Olds list, too, if you're on it.  (Or if not, I can for
you, or you can join, or whatever....  :)

I've got a picture ~somewhere~ of the indicator lights, if you want, I can dig
it up, scan it, and post to a web page...
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:51:24 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: only scumbags STEAL Olds parts

In a message dated 98-11-16 22:56:53 EST, you write:

<< Hi everyone,
           I have a friend that has a 76 Delta 98 , today some scum bag
 decided they needed the left hand chrome tail light bezel more than he
 did. This was very upsetting, so if anyone else has one....and
 possibly a tail light for same, please contact me direct at :
 super442@yahoo.com
   
        TIA, John
  >>
You think thats bad.  They stole my 71 Cutlass Supreme in July and it has
never been recovered.  I used it going back and forth to work.  Not a great
car, but not bad either.  All well, I only had PL and PD insurance on it.  So
I am out 1200.00 bucks because somebody wanted my car more than I did

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:56:20 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: killer 442

Damn.  It's just a guy, right?  No disrespect, believe me, but from what
you said originally I thought it was a business of some sort...

At 12:14 AM 11/17/98 , you wrote:
>Their web address is:http://www.flash.net/~texas442/
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------------
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 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:36:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Small Block Questions

Can't use the "H*LP" word; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	DOBIEHUT@aol.com
Subject: H*LP! Small block questions.

Hello.

I am a recent subscriber to the Olds list and most of what I've seen applies
to big block build-ups.

I am looking for manifold and carburetor combination recommendations.  I
currently have the Edelbrock Performer with a Holley 750 vacuum secondary.  I
am not happy with this setup, and would like to possibly go with a single
plane manifold and perhaps a mechanical linkage carb.  I am not concerned with
what brand I have, so much as that I obtain the optimum combination to make
everything work together.  

My engine is a 350 with 10.25:1 Forged Pistons bored .030, Crane Commander Hi-
Intensity Cam, Trans Specialties 350TH with 3,000+ stall, and 12 bolt 4.10
Richmond Gear.

My heads are currently in the shop getting oversized valves, exhaust ports
filled/separated, screw in studs with roller tip rockers.

Any h*lp would be appreciated.  Please respond to me personally, as I am
on digest and it is taking much time to go through all these archives! 
Thank you. 

John

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:36:32 -0200
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gibran_Curtiss_Salom=E3o?= <gibran@smtp.mj.gov.br>
Subject: does anyone have a picture of the front of the 455 engine? thankx N/M

N/M



Gibran Curtiss Salomão
55-61-234-3965
gibran@mj.gov.br
icq:13807962
pontiac.homepage.nu
pontiac webring webmaster

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:26:28 -0200
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gibran_Curtiss_Salom=E3o?= <gibran@smtp.mj.gov.br>
Subject: thanks dave, ...and another question inside.

thanks dave.
as i said. these things something happen.
no problem

my doubt is follow.
im buying a buick 1973 gran sport. but when i opened the
hood............huuuuu
the distributor is on th eback side of the engine. on back of the
manifold.
i suspect thet someone changed the engines.
so i resded the entire olds faq and take a note of some numbers.
i went back to the person who wants to sell me the buick. but i did not
found any number that 
told me "this is an olds engine"
the only big number i saw was on the headders of the drivers side.
appears like that:

1st cil		3rd,5th cil	7th cil

M		4 5		Gm

and the engine have the spark plugs above the headers
and the water pump is circular with about 7 inches of diameter and
connected right in front of the water neck.
and behind the water pump, the manifold valley, isnt flat, but it is
like a depression.
the heads exhaust are pointed directly to the ground

it isnt a chevy big, because the exhaust arent equally spaced.

this sound familiar to someone. 
thanks for any reply, because i am very lost to discover what´s that
engine.
thaks all



Gibran Curtiss Salomão
55-61-234-3965
gibran@mj.gov.br
icq:13807962
pontiac.homepage.nu
pontiac webring webmaster

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:16:22 -0700
From: "David Litke" <dlitke@bewellnet.com>
Subject: green courtesy/dash light lenses needed.

Hey all,
	I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the dark green
plastic lenses that fit on the lights that are above the heater controls on
one side and the radio on the other.  This is a 73 olds 98 and we had to do
some dash work and ended up breaking all but one of them.  I looked in the
Fusicks catalog and did not find them.  Of course it could be that I just
do not know what I am looking for.   I have a friend who can get GM parts
and he told me that there was a part number for this item but it was
discontinued.Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

David Litke
dlitke@bewellnet.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:59:36 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Rallye 350 stripes/location dimensions

Olds List,
	
		I am going to be putting on a set of Rallye 350 stripes on a 
buddy's
car next week and can't remember (and don't have one in front on me to
check) if the assembly manual gives pertinent dimensions of the stripe
location. If it isn't in there, is there anything available??
 
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                     <mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net>
                     <mailto:mcornea@ford.com>

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:39:23 -0800 (PST)
From: S-MAN <super442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: only scumbags STEAL Olds parts

- ---WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-11-16 22:56:53 EST, you write:

> You think thats bad.  They stole my 71 Cutlass Supreme in July and
it has
> never been recovered.  I used it going back and forth to work.  Not
a great
> car, but not bad either.  All well, I only had PL and PD insurance
on it.  So
> I am out 1200.00 bucks because somebody wanted my car more than I did
> 
> W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
> 
- ---------Mark, 
         That sux....my feelings go out to you. Btw everyone, as
pointed out by several "private" posts....Deltas are 88 and 98's are
differnet....I think this car is a Ninety Eight..but will verify today. 
          The car is a big four door  , looks like a Caddy, taillights
are long if memory serves me right.I'll get more info today.
           THanks again,
==
John McJunkin ( The Sman ) mailto:super442@yahoo.com  
  ICQ # 16956740      Lithia Springs, Ga.
TOPLESS--1985 Cutlass--frog442's 84---my 69 442 
1982 Cutlass Cruiser Wagon(g-body)--soon to be V-8 !
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:52:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SSII's

Since we are on the rims subject, I will ask this question again. What
is the difference in the SSII's and the SSIII's? I have two different
type of rims at home. The ones on my Olds now are painted the color of
the car and the ones off the car are painted a dark green. The ones on
my Olds now have a lot narrower beauty ring compared to the ones off
the car. How do you tell the two apart?
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:08:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: SSII's

Do I get to tell all my
friends I have SSII's that are painted white, or are they now really
SSIII's?

Thanks,

Art
_______

Are your friends Olds-cognicent or not?  If not, it doesn't matter what you
call them, your friends will not have heard of them.  ;-)

Are they bolt-on centers or not?  All SSIIs (and some SSIIIs) were bolt-on.
All snap-in center wheels are SSIIIs.  In addition, all 14x6 bolt-on center
wheels are SSIIs (made in 68-69 only).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:12:08 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 455 in Chevy truck

Just
wondering has anyone done this and what motor mounts would I have to use.
Thanks.  Igor.
________

I assume you're talking about the 73-87 style truck.  These came with the
Olds 350 diesel in the late 70s.  If you can find one, the 455 will bolt in
using the diesel motor mounts.  NOTE:  The 6.2 liter diesel is not the
same; those mounts will not work.  The only other thing is that you will
either need a transmission with a BOP bolt pattern or an adapter plate to
mate the Olds to the Chevy trans.  You're on your own for exhaust manifolds
- - the diesel ones will fit a small block, but not a 455.  Several on the
list have done the small block Olds swap in place of the diesel, but no
455s yet that I'm aware of.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:18:16 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: thanks dave, ...and another question inside.

...and behind the water pump, the manifold valley, isnt flat, but it is
like a depression...
__________

Definitely not an Olds; sounds like a Pontiac motor from the valley
description.  Unfortunately, you've now reached the limit of my Pontiac
experience.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:18:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: does anyone have a picture of the front of the 455 engine? 
thankx	 N/M



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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:29:42 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: SSII's

What
is the difference in the SSII's and the SSIII's?
_________

The only difference is paint:  SSII > Agrent, SSIII > body color.

Note, however, that many of these wheels have been repainted over time, so
there may not be a sure way to tell (nor does it really matter, unless you
are doing a concourse restoration and care about the date codes on the
wheels).  As I noted in a prior post, however, there are some sure calls:

14 x 6 with bolt-in centers are all SSIIs - Only made in 68-69 and all came
from the factory in Argent.  ('Course, I've got a set at home that are
painted Ford Tangerine...it's a long story)

All snap-in center wheels are refered to as SSIIIs (actually, I'm not so
sure about this in the G-body cars.  Someone with better knowledge might
have more correct info)

The early 70s bolt-in wheels were either called SSII or SSIII depending on
color.

All of the SSII and SSIII wheels of any year will clear factory disc
brakes.  All came with 5 on 4 3/4" bolt circles.  All the bolt-in centers
are the same, but there are several variations of snap-in centers:  the
traditional, the cylindrical, the 442-logo, and the "starfish" (as used on
the 77 Delta 88 pace cars).  What am I forgetting?

Oh, I should probably give a passing mention to the SSIII look-alike wheels
used on the FWD Cutlass Ciera and Calais cars in the early 80s.  I have no
idea what these were called.  Obviously, they don't fit the RWD cars.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:40:29 -0500
From: Jim Olson <jolson@edzone.net>
Subject: Re: replacing brake hose

Yes, they do, and my SnapOn sockets also have this feature. What I do
like about the Craftsman wrenches, is that they are sturdy, and I have
yet (knock on wood) to strip a nut or bolt head with one. 

Anyone use MATCO tools? I tried their stuff years ago and really wasn't
happy with it...

Jim...

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:42:38 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: How to score a Q-jet while Yarde-ing

> From DYeager535@aol.com Tue Nov 17 00:14:50 1998

> In a message dated 11/16/98 7:57:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> david.cullen@snet.net writes:
> 
> <<  Seems carburetted
>  350's went bye-bye circa 1979.
>   >>
> 
>     Not so. They used them all the way up to FI. They had to. The trucks had
> the 5.7 as an option up until the body style change (1987 or 91, depending on
> which "truck") My '83 305 has a Quad, and my friends '83 350 has a carb, no
> computer (at least for the carb) though. I bet '84 or so and up trucks have
> the computer controlled Quadrajets

As do RWD Caddys, up thru at least '88, on their 307s.  So you could also score
a SB Olds intake if you needed that too.  I bet Kevin Wong would know for sure
if'n the Qjets went later than '88 on Caddys and such... Kevin?



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 06:47:15 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Is this a Good Story or a Sad Story?

So I'm in the drugstore yesterday killing time at the magazine rack
waiting for a prescription to be made up, and I pick up a car mag
with a title of something like "Rodder's Digest", devoted primarily
to street-rod builders. In the current issue they had a feature on
some guy who's built a '32 F*rd street rod with an Olds engine... or
did he? The answer, it turns out, is No, But...

For reasons they didn't explain real clearly, it's a Ch*vy 350 with
old-style Olds Rocket rocker covers on it. Since the engine is out
in the open on this car, he really did want the Olds logos to be
fully visible. Anyone want to guess what his reasoning was? I've no
idea but I'm sure the Olds list will have some...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:04:13 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Craftsman tools (was: replacing brake hose)

What I do like about the Craftsman wrenches, is that they are sturdy,...
_________

Hey, let's face it.  The reason we all have Craftsman tools is that on
Sunday afternoon at 3:45, when you _have_ to get the car put back together
to drive to work on Monday, you can take the breaker bar that you just
broke when you put a pipe over the handle and return it at Sears for a new
one for free.  ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:11:20 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Is this a Good Story or a Sad Story?

Anyone want to guess what his reasoning was? I've no
idea but I'm sure the Olds list will have some...

- -- Andy
____________

For the same reason that they make adapters to let the street rod guys put
Ford Cobra valve covers on their small block Chevy.  It's a chicken and egg
problem; the majority of the hardware for sale supports the SBC, and since
more people build SBC-powered cars the aftermarket makes more parts for
them.  To differentiate these just-like-belly-buttons-everybody-has-one
cars from one another, people have taken to adapting different valve
covers.  The original Olds Rocket V8 was the engine of choice in early
rods, and with the nostagia rod trend, people want this look.  Sadly, it's
a lot easier and cheaper to build an SBC than a Rocket - you drive to your
local Chevy dealer, plunk down your cash, and drive away with a brand new
300+ HP crate motor from the factory (and before we start another slew of
emails on Olds crate motors, please note again that I'm talking about brand
new from the factory, not a rebuilt from Trak Auto or Dr. Motorworks et
al).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:17:25 -0500 (EST)
From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu
Subject: Re: Craftsman tools (was: replacing brake hose)

On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> What I do like about the Craftsman wrenches, is that they are sturdy,...

Yeah... more often than not I use them as hammers... for the same reason
as Joe's breaker bar below ;-)

> _________
> 
> Hey, let's face it.  The reason we all have Craftsman tools is that on
> Sunday afternoon at 3:45, when you _have_ to get the car put back together
> to drive to work on Monday, you can take the breaker bar that you just
> broke when you put a pipe over the handle and return it at Sears for a new
> one for free.  ;-)
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30



    |        Peace, Goodwill, and happy Oldsmobilling,
   /|\       Clayton Pierce,
  / | \      school:  zcwp11@Access.ETSU.edu
 |  |  |     home:  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
 |  |  |     
 |  |  |     "There's no replacement for displacement!"
 | / \ |     
 |/   \|     1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
  \   /         (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 3.73:1, 80k miles)
   \ /          http://www.442.com/pierce.html
    |        1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham
		(parts car) (307, 4bbl, TH350, 2.14:1, 90k miles)
	     1980 Rover 3500 SD1
	        (215 V8, FI, BW66, 85k miles)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/othercars.html
     	     1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
		(260 V8, 2bbl, TH350)
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/79cutlass.html
		http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4468/oldsmobile/olds.html
	     1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe
		(389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles) "Look ma' no EGR!"
		http://lazarus.ehc.edu/~float/tempclay/bonneville.html

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:18:59 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts Question

In a message dated 98-11-16 14:31:57 EST, you write:

<< t. It has the lower radiator support and then it goes up to where the
headlight assemblies mount to. It has the top shelf where the hood bumpers and
the upper radiator support bolt to. It also has the hood latch mechanism
attatched to it. What is the name of this part? I tried calling it a front
clip and everyone at the salvage yard thought that I meant from the windshield
up. >>

Yarde guys are IDIOTS!
Begging the pardon of YARDE people on the list.
Karl specifically stated rear axle tube and rear axle tube assembly, and after
all that they thought Karl meant axle shaft.

Oh! You want the rear end!

No Karl wants the rear axle assembly! Call it what you want.

Back to your question.
For 1965, the Rad support holds the grille, the hood latch (both are too close
together and thus both broken on mine! As well as the radiator and headlight
wells and points for horn attachment.

Even Karl is not certain what is meant by front clip.

But For "Karl's" year, rad support is all-encompassing.

SOM
&KA

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:19:07 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ga VS J heads

In a message dated 98-11-15 02:50:58 EST, you write:

<<  So, the Ga's are probably a bit better than the J's and the F's are a bit
better
 than the G's and so on. If this is what you want to use, they will prob.
 work fine for a street motor.  Joe Mondello has said that the best heads to
 use for a 455 are the 'B' or 'C' >>

Woah!!!
Karl not flaming ~anyone~!!
In point of fact, just want good ideas to get out.
First of all, if you keep going back, you will get to "A"heads which do not
flow as well as "B" or "C" heads.
In fact, "A" heads may have unique rocker assemblies, which will not assist
anyone without the proper parts.

(Seen too many bare "A" heads for too much $$ at swap meets!!!!)

Secondly, Karl believes Joe Mondello was referencing the Toronado "B" and "C"
heads that had the big exhaust valves and therefore flowed better!

That said, good luck!!!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:44:10 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Headers

I sandblasted mine, then sprayed them with POR 15 manifold grey back in March.
They look great, but I've only driven the car for 2 months before locking it in
the garage for the winter on Nov 1.

Brian Kerr

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:48:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: green courtesy/dash light lenses needed.

If you know the part number you can go to www.partsvoice.com and see if
anyone has it in stock. I dunno how accurate this really is; I did a
search last week for wheel centers on there and didn't find much, but my
local dealer says he can get them.

Sometimes you can fabricate these lenses from junkyard stock -- if you
find a dismantled dashboard the colored light overlays are almost always
left behind.  There's a little lens above the ashtray in Deltas that
almost always is missing, so I made one from a junkyard dashboard turn
signal indicator. The purpose of that ashtray lens escapes me.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:48:29 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Front Clip (was RE: Parts Question)

On Tuesday, November 17, 1998 10:19 AM, KarlAune@aol.com 
[SMTP:KarlAune@aol.com] wrote:
>
> Even Karl is not certain what is meant by front clip.

Whenever I refer to a front clip, I mean the sheetmetal in front of the 
fenders.  For instance, it's real easy on G-bodies...the front of the fenders 
and hood line up in an almost straight line (see the main pic on my Cutlass 
page for more detail).  It's easy, for example, to graft a Regal front 
assembly 
on there, in front of the fenders, in place of the Cutlass "assembly".  In 
that 
case, you'd say that the car has a Regal front clip.

At least that's how *I* say it...

Jason K. Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-mail: jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:52:57 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: SSII's

On Tuesday, November 17, 1998 9:30 AM, Padavano.Joe@orbital.com 
[SMTP:Padavano.Joe@orbital.com] wrote:
>
> Oh, I should probably give a passing mention to the SSIII look-alike wheels
> used on the FWD Cutlass Ciera and Calais cars in the early 80s.  I have no
> idea what these were called.  Obviously, they don't fit the RWD cars.

Ack-ack!  Calais cars in the early 80's *were* RWD!!  :-)  Okay, no more of 
that...

I have a sales brochure at home from 1984 that has this info.  I'll take a 
look 
at it when I go home for break.  I think they just referred to them as Super 
Stock wheels.  That's what they did for the RWD Calais anyway.  Standard 
wheels 
on the '84 Calais were "Super Stock wheels"...I have the "Super Stock-Chrome" 
wheels.

Jason K. Adcock
Blacksburg, VA
ICQ: 5860857
E-mail: jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jadcock

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 10:55 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: killer 442

> Hehe, Not what I ment. The killer 442 in 1965 i have heard came with the 
390hp
> 425ci, is this true? I heard about it from my dad and one of his friends, did
> this supercar really exhist? (1965 66 or 7, thats all i rememebr)

Kelly,

A year and a half ago there was some discussion on this list about whether
or not some early '65s received 425's (because the B block 400 wasn't ready)
and whether some late '67s received 425's (because the E block 400's were
all gone).

It was the general opinion the no '67s got 425's - the Olds History
Center could not confirm it.

However, the following message was posted by Ron Forsee - an expert
on the '65 cars:

- ----- copy of May 22, 1997 message from R4C442@aol.com ---------------

I missed the article about 67 442's with 425 engines but I do know that the
early 65"s had 425's before the "new" 400 cu. in. big blocks were ready. As a
matter of fact, there was a black 65 442 convertible sitting next to me in
Lansing (1987) with the red 425 engine. The owner  (Mitch Witherell from
Cleveland) heaved a huge sigh of relief when I said that I had indeed heard
of the existance of that combo because everyone thought he was crazy.
                                            Ron Forsee 65 442-meister
- ------ end of message -------------------------------------------------

Are these the "killer 442s"?  I don't know.  I like to think of the 
'66 W30s as the "killer 442s", and if I had 30K extra sitting around
that's what I'd be looking for.

Mike Turley    '66 442
turley@symplex.com

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